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10:32.03jelly-homeintx: does root get cron.daily reports by mail every day?
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10:34.22intxjelly-home: root's mailbox is empty
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10:35.08jelly-homedepending on your MTA and /etc/aliases, it might be delivered to a normal user or /var/mail/nobody
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10:35.20JasonOHello, my wireless is not working on Wheezy. Can someone please help me?
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10:37.35intxjelly-home: just checked, thanks. it gets delivered to me but I still have nothing in my mailbox.
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10:38.37CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, tell JasonO about WiFi
10:39.03CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, tell JasonO about firmware
10:40.11jhuebnercutmeownthroat: that actually works? which are valid keywords?
10:41.03CutMeOwnThroatjhuebner, what works?
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10:41.29JasonOCutMeOwnThroat: My version isn't on that list
10:42.02jhuebnercutmeownthroat: dpkg bot usage, i want to know more about it
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10:42.46JasonOCutMeOwnThroat: But it worked in Ubuntu when I compiled
10:42.51JasonO*on
10:42.53CutMeOwnThroatjhuebner, /msg dpkg help (it only answers if you are also in #debian or some other channels, though)
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10:43.47CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, tell jhuebner about dpkgbot
10:43.49yellsJasonO: HArd to help you with that much info about your chipset etc.
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10:44.03JasonOyells: Can I please senf you the link?
10:44.05JasonO*send
10:44.10yellswhat link?
10:44.23JasonOTo my driver
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10:45.36CutMeOwnThroatJasonO, most likely you are missing firmware... as the factoid says  that has been removed from debian asl nonfree... but hard to tell you more if you don't tell us what wireless that is
10:45.37yellsI'm sorry, I couldn't help you with the link. Please tell your wifi chip
10:45.56JasonOCutMeOwnThroat: More info here. http://askubuntu.com/questions/337785/wireless-not-working-on-toshiba-satellite-c55-a5281
10:46.08JasonOI just switched from Ubuntu
10:46.27JasonOI compiled but it didn't work.
10:46.45JasonONetwork controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:8179]
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10:47.52CutMeOwnThroathmm
10:48.08CutMeOwnThroatjudd, kernels
10:48.09juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
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10:49.03JasonOCutMeOwnThroat: I upgraded to 3.16 via backports
10:49.12CutMeOwnThroatsome time has passed since you asked there... looks like that driver is in the 3.16 kernel
10:49.14jhuebnerit should work after installing firmware-realtek i assume
10:49.16JasonOThe only thing that fixed was my wireless mouse
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10:50.32CutMeOwnThroatright ...  install firmware-realtek from backports
10:50.34jhuebnerif you're using wheezy you need the version from backports
10:50.41CutMeOwnThroatjhuebner, :)
10:50.46jhuebner:)
10:51.48JasonOAlright, thank. I'll be right back
10:51.54JasonO*thanks
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10:52.48jhuebnerthere's a related factoid key "rtl8188ee"
10:54.28JasonOBack after reboot, didn't work
10:54.34JasonOjhuebner: What do you mean?
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10:55.29jhuebnerjasono: i'm talking about the bot, nevermind, it could have told you our answer if we knew the factoid existed
10:55.57JasonOAah
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10:56.58JasonOjhuebner: What should I do now since firmware-realtek didn't work?
10:57.28jhuebnerare you sure you installed the version from backports?
10:57.40jhuebnerdoes the module load?
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10:58.29JasonOjhuebner: Yeah it's in my sources. No it doesn't... let me check
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11:00.01JasonOjhuebner: No it doesn't. Even with modprobe rtl8188ee
11:00.40jhuebnerwhat's the error message? anything in dmesg?
11:02.08JasonOjhuebner: Yep http://paste.ubuntu.com/9587541/
11:05.34jhuebnerhm, nasty chip. i'd continue googling with parts from that
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11:07.59JasonOAlright
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11:08.59yellsJasonO: did you remove the old modules before loading the backport ones?
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11:09.43JasonOyells: I make uninstalled
11:10.07JasonOyells: That's the issue isn't it?
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11:11.10JasonOAlso I installed weechat but it won't run
11:11.34Zarthusdo you get some kind of error?
11:11.43JasonOFor weechat? No
11:11.49JasonOI apt-get install weechat
11:11.59JasonOcopy my .weechat over to my /home
11:12.04JasonOand run "weechat"
11:12.08JasonOcommand not found
11:12.12JasonOWorked in Ubuntu
11:12.12Zarthustry weechat-curses
11:12.14Zarthus?
11:12.14JasonO*on
11:12.18JasonOAah :D
11:12.23JasonODidn't think of that. Okay
11:12.54JasonOIt worked Zarthus
11:12.56JasonOThanks
11:12.57ZarthusCheers :)
11:13.01JasonO:)
11:13.29Shadow_7JasonO: which realtek wireless?  I have the rtl8723be one.  But to get it to work I have to git the rtlwifi_new drive sources and compile it.
11:13.55Shadow_7JasonO: on an hp stream 11 in my case.
11:14.48JasonOShadow_7: rtl8188ee but I compiled and it didn't work
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11:15.24JasonObackports-3.16-1 with kernel  3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64
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11:16.30Shadow_7JasonO: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
11:17.07Shadow_7different chipset but seems to be in the same driver.
11:17.32JasonONice. Thanks Shadow_7 !
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11:17.43Shadow_7the rtl8723be that ships with the debian kernel only partially works.  First ten minutes then cuts out and have to reboot.  Unloading and reloading it fails
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11:18.07JasonOI'm going to have to reinstall Debian first though
11:18.20JasonO6:18AM here so after some sleep....
11:18.23Shadow_7Sadly I forgot that I did that from source thing so when the kernel updated my wifi failed again.
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11:18.28JasonOThank you everyone
11:18.40JasonOShadow_7: I expereinced that on Ubuntu too
11:18.55JasonO*experienced
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11:19.34Shadow_7JasonO: it did work on the jessie kernel from nov6... but not the more recent one
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11:20.08Shadow_7but cpufreq-info is wrong on the nov 6 one
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11:21.45intxhow do I test if test -x is working properly?
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11:24.15CtrlCHi, I mounted a partition which I have ubuntu installed on it.Then chrooted to that using "chroot $path" command. now 'whoami' returns "root".but when trying to install a pkg using dpkg, I get permition error. Why?How can I fix it?Here's the error: "sh: 1: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
11:24.15CtrlC" And Can't open /dev/null: Permission denied
11:25.31Shadow_7CtrlC: try #ubuntu... and try sudo -s while root... otherwise you have to set a root password to become actual root on ubuntu
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11:26.01Shadow_7CtrlC: you also need to share /proc/ and /dev/ between the host and the chroot
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11:26.41Shadow_7CtrlC: and probably a good idea to set the shell on the chroot command.  chroot /path/ /bin/bash
11:27.18CtrlCShadow_7:Thanks.How can I share /proc and /dev?
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11:27.47Shadow_7CtrlC: mount -t proc none /mnt/path && mount --rbind /dev /mnt/path/dev
11:27.57Shadow_7aka man mount
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11:28.26Shadow_7If you want to share the host X session, that gets a bit more needy
11:29.04Shadow_7And you'll likely need to reboot to unmount those things after doing package stuff in the chroot.
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11:30.42CtrlCShadow_7:Thanks.So chroot does not totally use ubuntu right?It kinda uses debians files too?
11:31.33Shadow_7CtrlC: you're running the kernel at a minimum from debian.  So some things  need to be shared.  To a point, depends on what you want to do in the chroot
11:32.01CtrlCShadow_7:Thank you.Quiet helpful.
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11:33.08Shadow_7I do chroot debian installs via debootstrap all the time.  You get to stay behind a firewall with functional networking before ever having to boot it.
11:33.33Shadow_7And you get to do it for a machine other than the one you're doing the install on.
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11:36.23zophyon my gnome desktop i get popup messages warming about low battery level, how i get opoup about cpu overtemps ?
11:36.41CtrlCShadow_7:When mounted the two dirs you mentioned, it auto uses them?:/
11:37.19Shadow_7CtrlC: yes... but they're virtual directories.
11:37.42Shadow_7So they don't persist after a reboot
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11:38.02ilhamihey
11:38.14ilhamiI am going to install debian.
11:38.14CtrlCShadow_7:I did this: " mount -t proc none /media/a && mount --rbind /dev /media/dev" and aded "/bin/bash" to chroot command but still the same problem.
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11:38.46ilhamicd vs dvd?
11:39.14Shadow_7CtrlC: the /proc one should have been to /media/proc
11:39.16ilhamiI am trying the netinstaller but it is taking me a lot of time.
11:39.34Shadow_7CtrlC: and did you sudo -s once in the chroot?
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11:39.58CtrlCShadow_7:No.Now how can I unmount /media/a?
11:40.14Shadow_7CtrlC: or the usual sudo prefixing that is ubuntu, even though you seem to be root, you aren't really with ubuntu's configurations
11:40.34CtrlCilhami:Then try a CD or DVD and then upgrade after install.
11:40.49Shadow_7CtrlC: reboot... it should hurt having it though since nothing should be using it.
11:41.00Shadow_7*should NOT
11:41.11ilhamihttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/bt-cd/ CtrlC I am here now. Do I really need all the 8 iso files?
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11:41.48ilhamioh wait there is an iso with xfce
11:41.52ilhamiI want that!
11:41.53Shadow_7ilhami: debootstrap only needs a working linux and the debootstrap.deb file.
11:42.27Shadow_7for those of us on limited bandwidths.  Even a netinstall iso is HUGE.
11:42.44intxmy /etc/crontab file doesn't seem to be processed. I want to find out why, how?
11:42.46CtrlCilhami:No.They include softwares.You can download them from online repoes.
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11:43.13CtrlCShadow_7:sudo -s
11:43.13CtrlCsudo: unable to resolve host debian
11:43.22ilhamiCtrlC, I'm gonna get the xfce iso and try that.
11:43.37CtrlCilhami:It's fine.
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11:44.00ilhami:-)
11:44.46ilhamiDebian is so nice :)
11:44.55CtrlCShadow_7:Set a password for root using passwd but still the same issue.
11:45.03CtrlCilhami:True.
11:45.27CtrlCShadow_7:Still : sh: 1: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
11:45.28CtrlCsh: 1: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
11:45.28CtrlCCan't open /dev/null: Permission denied
11:45.41ilhamiand maybe the most stables of all dists.
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11:45.43ilhamistable*
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11:46.09CtrlCilhami:Yeah!I just don't like it's name.:P
11:46.25ilhamiwhat's wrong with that?
11:46.26ilhamiwhat does it mean?
11:46.44CtrlCDebian = debra + ian
11:46.57CtrlCAnd the Gnu/linux part after that.
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11:47.20intxI think dist-upgrading broke my /etc/crontab. I am using debian 6, and need assistance fixing it. I have no idea what version it is supposed to be using, what the /etc/crontab file looks like, etc.
11:47.27CtrlCespecially the Gnu/linux part after that.
11:47.33intxwould appreciate help in this subject as I have no idea what I am doing.
11:47.39ilhamiwhy CtrlC ?
11:47.45Shadow_7CtrlC: sounds like a scripting bug.  udev creates /dev/null and shouldn't need to recreate it
11:47.48ilhamiwhat's wrong with Gnu/Linux?
11:47.48CtrlCilhami: Long story.
11:48.06ilhamiCtrlC, ah ok.
11:48.06ilhamibrb
11:48.35CtrlCShadow_7: now what should I do?Is it debians problem or ubuntu?
11:48.47jelly-homeintx: to install default conffile for, in your case, package "cron", read /msg dpkg confnew
11:48.47Shadow_7CtrlC: try changing the scripts to use a pipe | or redirect > which ever it isn't using.
11:49.00intxthanks
11:49.06Shadow_7CtrlC: depends on what's failing specifically.
11:49.30Shadow_7CtrlC: you can dpkg --force-all -i <package>.deb in either distro
11:49.38CtrlCShadow_7: I have no Idea how to do that.What scripts?
11:49.43Shadow_7CtrlC: you'll still get the error, but it'll ignore it
11:50.19CtrlCShadow_7:Just forced it.
11:50.28Shadow_7CtrlC: sounds like you're starting udev / updating udev in the chroot and it doesn't cope well with the host system owning that realm
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11:50.44CtrlCShadow_7:Thank you.
11:51.04jelly-homeShadow_7: forcing installation with dpkg is almost never a good idea, as apt will still be confused afterwards
11:51.18Shadow_7which is most of the reason while you'll have to reboot after.  Since you'll be using /dev from the chroot and can't unmount it without rebooting.
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11:51.58Shadow_7jelly-home: well sometimes there's not option.  like if you don't update less than annually.
11:52.20jelly-homein debian?  Unlikely.
11:52.39Shadow_7I've had issues like that.  Although wheezy is so old that jessie is at play.
11:52.43CtrlCilhami:A short answer to that would be: "Cause it's wrong."
11:52.49Shadow_7aka need glibc > 2.13
11:53.20jelly-homeShadow_7: if you keep to stable, and follow release upgrade paths, you should never get in a situation like that
11:53.37Shadow_7(in theory)
11:53.40CtrlCIt's Ok, I don't really use that ubuntu
11:54.05jelly-homeShadow_7: this has been my practice for the last 12 years
11:55.46jelly-homeShadow_7: even when you use 3rd party packages, it's better to fix the packaging issues than use dpkg --force-*
11:56.00Shadow_7It's more common to just do fresh installs now since most of us are on > dialup speeds.
11:56.35Shadow_7Plus security paranoia that statistically favors any old install is a compromised install.
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11:59.54CutMeOwnThroatthere's always been idi^H^H^H people who would do another 10 installs of 10 different distros instead of figuring out what the problem is once with one distro
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12:12.51deniquick question...if I do hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda ... from the hdparm man pages this will turn off apm for that drive (if the drive supports the 255 value that is cause some don't).
12:12.59jelly-homeShadow_7: there's always a choice between fresh installs and migrating data and apps and user config vs. upgrades.  Debian is very good at upgrades.
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12:13.31denimy drive support it apparantely but i'm curious what happens now...does this mean that the drive keeps spinning even when idle? what i'm getting at is: does this shorten the lifespan of the drive?
12:13.53Shadow_7jelly-home: yes, but at some point you have to do a fresh install to document a migration path that preserves the users customizations and not the distro supplied ones.
12:13.57denii know it's not a debian specific question but if anybody can wiegh in I'd appreciate it
12:14.09beknowly1Typically keeping a drive spinning is better for its lifespan than stopping and restarting it often
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12:15.20jelly-homeShadow_7: again, Debian is very good at upgrades and tries hard not to overwrite customizations in global config.
12:15.50Shadow_7jelly-home: plus other things that debian doesn't do so well.  Like migrating to jessie at the moment doesn't remove midori, even though there is not midori in jessie.
12:16.29jelly-homeShadow_7: obsolete but manually installed software is never removed automatically
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12:16.34Shadow_7jelly-home: thinking more in terms of got new hardware, want to run the same config on it, and not a compatible architecture for a strait copy.
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12:17.13Shadow_7jelly-home: yes... but it doesn't show up in deborphan or other indicators that says it's no longer there / getting updates.
12:17.29jelly-home!tell Shadow_7 about obsolete
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12:19.13axel_rock_ithow does working proprietary nvidia prime with gdm3 on debian 8 ?
12:19.36axel_rock_itgot a gt 750M on my dell laptop
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12:20.37jpinxSynrGy: while you're on a roll -- I need to stop standby/hibernation in my 900HA running stable -- which bit of acpi do I doctor?
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12:22.43SynrGyah
12:23.20SynrGyit should be entirely doable with acpi-support plus pm-utils
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12:23.42SynrGybut if you're using eeepc-acpi-scripts i think there's stuff in there too that helps (like mapping the lid button)
12:23.56SynrGyand the keyboard sleep button
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12:24.28SynrGyif you *simply* want to suspend you can just try sudo pm-suspend and see if that works out of the box
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12:24.52SynrGylikewise with pm-hibernate
12:25.06SynrGy(assuming you have swap of sufficient size to store the hibernation image0
12:25.09SynrGy)*
12:26.09jpinxSynrGy: cool -- thanks
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12:35.52IlhamiI chose Danish as my installation language. Hope the environment will be in English.
12:36.32Shadow_7did you choose a danish keyboard too?
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12:37.29Ilhamiyes
12:37.58Ilhamiso I can't change it later?
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12:38.12Shadow_7you should be able to change that locale / unicode stuff
12:38.46Shadow_7probably with dpkg-reconfigure although only familiar with the dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration option atm.
12:39.15jelly-homeIlhami: read: /msg dpkg locales, /msg dpkg keymap
12:39.41Ilhamihttps://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage
12:39.43Ilhamifound this.
12:39.54Ilhami_D
12:39.55Ilhami:D
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12:52.09Hans-Martinhi folks, I'm somewhat unsure whether the reported NTP bug affects the version openntpd 3.9p1-7 that's included in debian squeeze - does anyone know more?
12:52.16Gn0m3Hello
12:53.00IlhamiI told it not to install popularity-contest but looks like it still installed it.. what the heck?
12:54.47nkuttlerIlhami: it?
12:54.56Ilhamithe installer nkuttler
12:55.16Gn0m3I'm currently experiencing an issue with traceroute, no matter what option I use it only responds with *, and when I try it on a windows machine on my lan It works correctly. Any Ideas?
12:55.33SynrGyIlhami: normal. the package gets installed so it can run its configure script ...
12:55.45SynrGyIlhami: the configure script asks whether you want to participate or not. you said "no"
12:55.48SynrGyso nothing will happen
12:55.56Ilhamioh ok.
12:55.58Ilhamifine. :)
12:56.11SynrGyIlhami: see /var/lib/dpkg/info/popularity-contest.config
12:56.26Ilhamiyes when the install is done I will.
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12:57.43SynrGywell, that just shows that it asks. to see the value you need, um, debconf-get-selections or so
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12:59.59SynrGyIlhami: debconf-get-selections | grep popularity-contest/participate
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13:00.50SynrGyIlhami: examining the config script told me which variable was set in response to the question. see also popularity-contest.templates
13:00.51Ilhamiyeah I will run those commands when the install is done.
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13:00.56SynrGyyep
13:01.09Ilhamias long as it's not a keylogger I am fine :D
13:01.13SynrGy:)
13:01.17Ilhamilike Windows did with Win 10.
13:01.21IlhamiTP
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13:11.29Gn0m3Hi, I'm currently experiencing an issue with traceroute, no matter what option I use it only responds with *, and when I try it on a windows machine on my lan It works correctly. Any Ideas?
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13:17.55ompaulGn0m3: what are you tracerouting to from the debian box
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13:34.42ZzeissI'm running Stable.  Is there any way to get the taskbar at the top to auto-hide?
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13:35.15Nik05Zzeiss what desktop are you running?
13:35.36ZzeissNik05: Gnome
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13:42.43ZzeissNik05: I've googled and googled, but there's no solution that applies (I even grepped for an "autohide" through all of /etc).  No joy.
13:44.20SynrGZzeiss: possibly via some third-party plugin, but would have to be compatible with the version in wheezy
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13:44.44SynrGthere are other desktops than gnome, though, that provide this sort of thing
13:44.46ZzeissSynrG: well then, that's a good question- does your taskbar autohide?
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13:44.58SynrGyes. i use lxde
13:45.04Zzeiss(i.e. have I screwed up my defaults, or is Wheezy just "like that"?
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13:45.24SynrGi'm also on sid, though ... but afaik it could do this in wheezy too
13:45.37SynrGZzeiss: no, it just can't autohide. that's normal for gnome
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13:46.01ZzeissOh, OK.   Thanks!
13:46.35Zzeiss(it's annoying when Iceweasel puts the top menu item (open in new tab) _under_ the taskbar.   Frakkk....
13:46.57SynrGhm. it should reserve space for it
13:47.07SynrGnot sure why it doesn't
13:47.23SynrGdo you have iceweasel full-screened?
13:47.42ZzeissYes, full-screened.
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13:50.14ZzeissOh well, gotta go feed the toddlers.
13:50.20SynrGZzeiss: it may be that by dconf-editor or so, you could find some setting that influences how space is reserved when applications are full-screened. i don't know
13:50.20ZzeissThanks all.
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13:55.40MVXAhi, I have a brand new debian testing system in front of me.  Now that doesn't mean i'm a linux newb but i come from the arch corner of linux.  Where can I find some more recent packages for wine?
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13:59.55SynrG,v wine
13:59.57juddPackage: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-17; sid: 1.6.2-17
13:59.58SynrG,v wine-development
13:59.59juddPackage: wine-development on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; sid: 1.7.29-4; experimental: 1.7.33-1
14:00.08SynrGMVXA: ^^
14:00.27SynrGMVXA: also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support.
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14:00.45MVXASynrG, just noticed that, thanks
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14:21.55HZunwhat are the Virtual core XTEST pointer/keyboard devices in xinput? are they "real" physical devices?
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14:23.32SynrGit's for programmatic control of X, so ... no, not "real" in any sense
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14:25.25HZunok thanks
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14:34.26RovanionCan aptitude show why a package is installed?
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14:35.24Ilhamiwhat do you mean by why?
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14:36.02jelly-homeRovanion: amusingly, "aptitude why packagename"
14:36.10RovanionEx. I got libjasper1 installed. It is automatically installed. Can I show who requires it?
14:36.24axel_rock_itis it possible to switch between intel and nvidia with open source drives ?
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14:37.14Rovanionjelly-home: Ah, so in this example aptitude why libjasper1 showed that openjdk-7-jdk depends on it.
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14:58.51mms_I am connected to remote machien via ssh and have xming running on my desktop.  when I run xclock in ssh terminal it says cannot open display
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14:59.45mms_may be because I am login at root to remote machine ?
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15:08.47lanodanmms_ try: DISPLAY=:0 xlock
15:10.41lanodanAnd yes it’s because you’re on a remote machine and the DISPLAY variable isn’t defined if not launched via X session
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15:21.43tremonthat's not completely true, ssh will set the DISPLAY value if X tunneling is enabled/requested
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15:26.24binarusSo debian postfix package introduces an empty record for mydestination: mydestination = mx.domain.com, localhost.domain.com, , localhost
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15:27.05afsalhow to install wine in 64bit wheezy
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15:28.23afsalis there is no wine 64-bit version??
15:28.36binarusthere is a x86_64 wheezy version
15:28.43binarusso it is backwards compatible with x86
15:28.50tremonafsal: there is, but the wine 64-bit executable can't run 32-bits applications
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15:29.08mms_I am connected to remote machien via ssh and have xming running on my desktop.  when I run xclock in ssh terminal it says cannot open display.
15:29.12tremon(fafaik, that is)
15:29.13afsalhow to install that
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15:29.39_TheAvataris having auto eth0\niface eth0 inet static\nx.x.x.x; iface eth0 inet6 static\nx.x.x.x not supported? It seems to just ignore my second iface entry
15:29.58_TheAvatarshould I use just one iface eth0 inet static, and do up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 inet6 add xxxx instead?
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15:30.33johskarafsal: http://www.binarytides.com/install-wine-debian-wheezy/
15:30.38tremon_TheAvatar: the first should work, altough I haven't tried static configuration of ipv6 before
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15:31.30_TheAvatarit just completely ignores it - doesn't seem to cause errors during boot, but they are not added to the interface
15:31.37Daggeryou can have both inet and inet6 stanzas for interface
15:31.48_TheAvatarif I manually do ifconfig eth0 inet6 add xxxx afterwards from the terminal, it works just fine
15:32.07Daggeror you can just use "up" lines in the inet stanza, I guess (but please don't use ifconfig, it's a tad deprecated now)
15:32.24Daggermaybe pastebin your /e/n/i?
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15:33.12_TheAvatarso, I should use up ip -6 addr add instead?
15:33.26_TheAvatarand up route xxx to add the default ipv6 route too?
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15:35.42_TheAvatarI don't get it tho. I have an eth0:0 alias too, if I remove it from interfaces and reboot, it is still applied at boot
15:37.09afsaljohskar: http://paste.debian.net/137616/
15:37.26afsaljohskar: how to solve this problem please help me
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15:41.03minnesotagsafsal: Do you have wheezy-backports in your sources.list (probably in /etc/apt/)? I'm not sure if wine is in wheezy-backports or in contrib or non-free repositories, or if it is just in wheezy main.
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15:43.57afsalminnesotags: this is my source.list  http://paste.debian.net/137618/
15:44.13tremonthey're all in main. afsal, make sure you're fully up-to-date (run apt-get dist-upgrade). If you still get that error, paste the output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy wine wine:i386
15:44.51afsaltremon: ya, please wait :)
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15:51.57minnesotagsafsal: on a separate note, and it probably isn't related, but I think the deb-multimedia repository thing got worked out and you can install a good avconv from regular backports. Works fine for me, anyway.
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15:52.52minnesotagsafsal; be sure you want to update to jessie with systemd before you dist-upgrade.
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15:54.19minnesotagsNot saying you wouldn't want to. Just don't willy-nilly dist-upgrade to fix something potentially unrelated without being sure that is what you want to do. Better practice.
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15:54.21tremonwhy should jessie be a concern? it's not in his sources.list
15:54.47minnesotagsI'm saying as a general practice.
15:55.01tremon(unless it's in sources.list.d, but my crystal ball is on the fritz again)
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15:55.51minnesotagsRunning apt-get install dist-upgrade to fix a minor dependency is not always advisable.
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15:56.07tremonminnesotags: running dist-upgrade will not magically upgrade you to the next release if you don't have it in your sources
15:56.12minnesotagsEspecially if it may not fix the problem.
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15:56.35minnesotagsWell, not having my own crystal ball, I don't know what else he has going on.
15:56.54minnesotagsHe may have another list of sources
15:57.09afsalstill same problem
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15:57.49minnesotagsWell, good thing you ran dist-upgrade..... ;-)
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15:58.12afsalminnesotags: ya
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16:00.19afsalminnesotags: here is the apt-cache policy wine wine:i386
16:00.23afsalhttp://paste.debian.net/137619/
16:01.04minnesotagsafsal: I'm not an expert on wine. =-O I'm going to let tremon take this.
16:01.12Guest46423hello, how to send and receive sms from the pc
16:02.07tremonafsal: that looks fine, what's your full apt-cache policy?
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16:03.54afsaltremon: http://paste.debian.net/137622/ here
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16:08.38tremonafsal: nothing obvious there either. Can you run aptitude -sVWD install wine-bin:i386 and paste the full output?
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16:10.11MiescoHi, my swap isn't loading at boot.  Where can I find the boot log?
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16:11.12afsaltremon: http://paste.debian.net/137623/
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16:11.54afsaltremon: its asking y/n/q question again & again
16:12.17tremonafsal: I don't see the question nor the reason for the question in your paste
16:12.52afsalMiesco: /var/log/boot
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16:13.36afsaltremon: wait, it is a long result
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16:14.37afsaltremon: here http://paste.debian.net/137625/
16:15.21tremon,v libxcomposite1
16:15.22juddPackage: libxcomposite1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.4.2-1; wheezy: 1:0.4.3-2; sid: 1:0.4.4-1; jessie: 1:0.4.4-1
16:16.04tremonafsal: looks like you have been mixing stable and testing
16:16.19afsaltremon: now what i do?
16:17.27tremonafsal: not sure. Either you can try to downgrade all packages that you have from jessie, starting with the ones listed after "The following packages have unmet dependencies"
16:17.29minnesotagsOk, I have a Samba4 problem, I have a new wheezy VM, I have only wheezy (main, contrib and non-free) and wheezy-backports in my sources.list. This combo has worked fine for years on a dozen wheezy servers.  I installed samba and samba4-common-bin (the replacement for samba4 package). When I try to run samba-tools and get this: http://paste.debian.net/137588. I have wiped my VM back to initial snapshot. Advice?
16:17.55tremonafsal: or you could bite the bullet and prepare for a full upgrade to jessie
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16:19.09tremonafsal: but if you have all X packages from jessie, a downgrade is probably not possible without breaking your system
16:19.38afsaltremon: ya, it will break my s/m
16:20.24afsaltremon: is upgrading to jessie is safe?
16:20.24tremonafsal: your other option is to do without wine for now, and upgrade to jessie after it's released
16:20.59afsalok
16:21.16tremonupgrading to jessie is relatively safe, but we can't know your complete configuration and the release notes haven't been completed (obviously)
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16:21.52afsaltremon: its better to wait the complete release
16:21.55hid3Hello everyone. Is there any command to run which would check the init scripts and print out any warning about missing/invalid script headers,etc?
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16:22.35tremon,file libdfs_server_ad.so
16:22.39juddNo packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file.
16:23.40tremonminnesotags: that library doesn't appear to be in wheezy at all. I'm not familiar with samba, but that looks like a bug
16:24.30minnesotagsafsal: Upgrading to Jessie will "probably" be "relatively" safe, for many systems and most users. It is still a new version, so safe like XP=>Vista=>W7+>W8. You pay your money and take your chance. Your system has got some issues with broken packages. Be careful.
16:24.53minnesotagstremon: yeah, I think it is a bug in the package.
16:25.47tremonhid3: try running insserv -vn, it might do what you want
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16:26.43tremonafsal: one thing to be careful about is that the upgrade to jessie will switch you over from sysvinit to systemd. That upgrade is painless for most users, but if you're the unlucky exception it may be hard to recover
16:27.14afsaltremon: hahaha...
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16:28.17minnesotagsafsal; seriously. that would be one of those times where "make a full backup" means "MAKE A FULL BACKUP".
16:28.42johskarNow that's an area where I just love snapshotting filesystems... upgrade screws up? boot previous snapshot and start over :-)
16:29.31minnesotagsWas life possible before VMs?
16:30.01johskarwith zfs it was :-)
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16:30.19minnesotagsI recall vividly taking two days to install Windows 3.1 off several dozen 3.5" floppies.
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16:30.43minnesotagsYou screw up that OS install and want to kill yourself.
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16:31.24johskarand before you discoverd you only needed floppy nr 4 of your win 3.1 to install Win95upgrade as a fresh install you'd first grind all the dos and wind3.1 floppies and then the win95 floppies, what joy that was
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16:32.25Miescoafsal: I do not have the file '/var/log/boot`
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16:33.18johskarMiesco: check dmesg
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16:37.00afsalMiesco: what is showing?
16:37.46Miescoafsal: Its not showing the error message I saw at startup
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16:37.53MiescoMaybe i'll just try rebooting
16:37.56Miescoagain
16:38.04MiescoThis is the first time its ever not loaded swap
16:38.22afsalMiesco: whats the exact error message
16:38.46Miescoafsal: That is what I am trying to find
16:38.59Miescoafsal: I can't find the log for the first few lines of the kernel at boot
16:39.02minnesotagsjohskar: exactly. Oh? "Did we forget to tell you that? Sorry, our bad...."
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16:39.55MiescoOkay im restarting
16:40.01Miescomaybe load a older kernel
16:40.12afsalMiesco: ok
16:41.29johskarminnesotags: hehe, yea...
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16:45.06hid3tremon: yes, that did it. Now it detected a loop and I'm not sure what is wrong with that script. I've checked the headers and it looks like other scripts in there do. Not sure how to fix that...
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16:49.32tremonhid3: the usual way to cut a loop is to duplicate the init script. Strip one of them down to bare minimum, and remove all depends from it. Then make all other scripts depends on the bare one, and have the full script keep all dependencies (and make it depend on the bare one)
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16:50.39hid3OK, thanks, will try it
16:51.03tremonworst case scenario is that the full script needs to restart the daemon that was started by the bare script. Or have the bare one not start the daemon, but only do the preparation. Depends on why the loop is there in the first place
16:51.52tremonalso see the cryptdisks vs cryptdisks-early scripts, or ask #debian-mentors on oftc
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16:54.56MiescoOkay swap is loaded, we are good.
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17:04.28hassoonis there a way to check whether all the systel's packages and components are fine and not corrupted or not containing packages installed with unmet dependancies?
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17:04.34hassoon*system's*
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17:07.07Shadow_7hassoon: like dpkg -l | grep -v "^ii"
17:07.13Shadow_7or deborphan?
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17:08.39hassoonShadow_7: what does that "^ii" pattern mean? :o
17:09.02tremonhassoon: there's also debsums if you're concerned about binary corruption. I'd probably use only apt-get install -sf to check for missing dependencies
17:09.30hassoontremon: i see, willl try it now
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17:09.40Shadow_7hassoon: the -v is not show... the ^ii is lines that start with ii
17:09.46MiescoHi, what happends when my computer is in hibernation and a crontab event occurs?
17:09.58MiescoLike when my laptop is closed
17:10.55hassoonShadow_7: sorry i mean why did we choose the lines starting with ^ii only
17:11.31MiescoI want to backup my dotfiles regularly to Dropbox but if my lid is closed at midnight every night, will crontab never run these backup scripts?
17:11.48Shadow_7hassoon: the ^ii lines are installed, nothing pending... we are excluding them
17:12.15tremonMiesco: missed events are skipped, indeed. Though there are cron daemons (anacron, fcron) that can replay missed events at the next boot
17:12.48hassoonShadow_7: ah so we wanted to echo the name pf packages that aren't installed? due to an issue in their installations or whatever?
17:12.53hassoon*of*
17:13.29Shadow_7the packages that are not fully installed or partially removed are of our interest
17:13.35Miescotremon: The next boot? As in the next time I reboot my machine?
17:13.56hassoonShadow_7: I see, thanks
17:14.18tremonisn't "iiB" a valid package state though? Should you be filtering on "^ii " instead?
17:14.34tremonor is that impossible?
17:14.44hassoonShadow_7: should i remove tham all? i got a long list of programs/packages
17:14.44hassoon:p
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17:15.05Shadow_7never seen an iiB on my systems... so an exception to the rule
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17:15.30hassoonoh
17:15.38Shadow_7older versions of things tend to persist if only in old files / configurations.  filtering on ^ii shows the oddballs out
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17:17.50Shadow_7perhaps filter on "ii ", but is that a guaranteed space?  or \t tab?
17:19.17jelly-hometremon: state "installed" can't also be "broken", I'd say that's impossible
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17:22.15tremonyeah, it probably is. I'm not entirely sure though, so let's try :)
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17:26.09tremonyup, not possible :)
17:26.18stadvisorirc botnet disclosure, 21 dec, check your system -  http://pastebin.com/DabxDiwm
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17:41.05atari314Hello, can I deboostrap a wheezy-amd64 using a wheezy-i386 host?
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17:49.44tremonhttps://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap
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17:50.53tremonatari314: ^^ covers a lot more than just i386->amd64, but the process is the same. I'm assuming your i386 system is incapable of running 64 bit code, the process is a lot easier if it can
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17:51.46edoardohello
17:51.56edoardohttps://packages.debian.org/wheezy/jack-rack
17:52.12edoardowhy isn't this package in jessie/testing? :(
17:52.59tremonhttps://bugs.debian.org/740123
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17:53.37edoardoso they removed it because it was old?!?
17:54.13tremonno, because it was unsupported. You're welcome to resurrect it though
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17:54.47tremons/supported/maintained/
17:55.00edoardoyeah
17:55.24edoardoi'd resurrect it if i knew what i need to do to "mantain a package"
17:55.30edoardobuild debs?
17:55.34Hell-Razoryay i finally got jessie to boot
17:55.38edoardokeep track of bugs?
17:55.40Hell-Razorbut i have to fix this error before i reboot again
17:55.49dltlresurrect has to wait for easter
17:55.53Hell-Razorhttp://nopaste.info/337633a481.html
17:56.33edoardoHell-Razor: i have the exact same chipset, but not that error
17:56.40tremonedoardo: yes, probably both, and make sure the project keeps up with the libraries it depends on (so fix build errors). You can ask #debian-mentors on oftc for more details.
17:56.42Hell-Razoredoardo, are you running jessie?
17:56.43edoardoi had to install the drivers, though
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17:57.04edoardoHell-Razor: yep
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17:57.28edoardoupdating right now
17:57.29Hell-Razoredoardo, strange
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17:57.32atari314tremon, tyvm sir for the info :)
17:58.07edoardoHell-Razor: have you got the non-free repository?
17:58.09Hell-Razoredoardo, how did you install the firmware? because if i reboot, theres no fixing it that i know of. i spent two days in recovery and rebooting like 100 times to fix it - no go
17:58.18Hell-Razoredoardo, im looking for it right meow
17:58.20edoardohttps://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci
17:58.21edoardosee here
17:58.45Hell-Razornice ty edoardo
17:58.57edoardo:)
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17:59.37Hell-Razori love having chicago so close AND it having a mirror
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18:01.47Hell-Razoredoardo, now my question is do i reboot to make sure it worked lol
18:02.11edoardotry connecting thru wifi
18:02.18edoardoif it works, then the firmware is working
18:02.27Hell-Razoryeah its working wirelessly
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18:02.29edoardoif it doesn't work, then you have a problem
18:02.34Hell-Razorbut so far with debian i have had VERY bad luck
18:02.36edoardoreboot then
18:02.40Hell-Razor>>>WARNING<<< Wrong ufstype may corrupt your filesystem, default is ufstype=old
18:02.45Hell-Razorthats an odd error in dmesg
18:03.03edoardowell, i'd suggest you to use stable with backports then
18:03.14Hell-Razor"stable" was my issue lol
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18:03.28edoardo"with backports"
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18:03.39Hell-Razordidnt have backports for what i need
18:03.50edoardoapt-pinning?
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18:03.57Hell-Razoralright well here we go time for a reboot
18:04.01Hell-Razoredoardo, not sure what that is
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18:06.27Hell-Razoryay it worked
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18:06.33Hell-Razortime to work on getting nvidia going
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18:10.48Hell-Razor,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
18:10.49juddPackage: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 340.46-6; sid/non-free: 340.65-2; experimental/non-free: 343.36-1
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18:13.02Hell-Razorim very confused... why on some how-to is uses aptitude and some it uses apt-get
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18:14.17Epakaibecause they can do many of the same things
18:16.56Epakai!why aptitude
18:16.56dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up.  It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.  It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).  For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>).  http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
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18:17.34pingfloydjust don't mix the two
18:18.01Hell-Razorso use one instead of the other always?
18:18.05Hell-Razor!why apt-get
18:18.05dpkgFor big upgrades such as from stable to testing, apt-get will often behave better than aptitude (this used to be the other way around as aptitude was recommended for etch->lenny).  Aptitude's resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results, but then apt-get will often just give up and provide no assistance in the same situation.  Chose the right tool for the job and pay attention.
18:18.13pingfloydthe difference in the dependency resolution can sometimes cause some problems
18:19.27Hell-Razorkind of makes sense i guess
18:19.41pingfloydif things get too broken, I pull out synaptic
18:20.19Hell-Razori think i need a little help reading aptitude though... are 1 to 10 being installed? or are they being skipped? http://nopaste.info/8ce7331e06.html
18:20.37Hell-Razoraptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms
18:20.41Hell-Razoris the command im running
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18:22.20pingfloydthose are the resolution choices aptitude is giving you?
18:22.22Hell-Razoroh never mind. scrolling up more helps
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18:23.09Hell-Razorhttp://nopaste.info/286ea09e02.html pingfloyd
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18:23.12Hell-Razorthats the complete output
18:23.22pingfloydif worse comes to worse go into aptitudes gui and interactively fix it
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18:24.29Hell-Razoris there an easy way via command line to see package versions? i come from gentoo land where it was emerge -s <package> and it told you a lot about it
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18:26.08pingfloydHell-Razor: looks like the big issue is the xserver-xorg-core you have installed
18:26.26pingfloydHell-Razor: the package you're installing wants a lower version than the one installed
18:26.40pingfloydthe rest of it is probably all the fallout of that issue
18:28.19Hell-Razorpingfloyd, i put in the wheezy packports and it seems that it may fix the issue? im not the best at reading the output yet of aptitude but working on it
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18:28.40pingfloydHell-Razor: I find its output confusing
18:28.47pingfloydHell-Razor: especially the example you showed
18:28.49Hell-Razorhttp://nopaste.info/81b4fefa62.html pingfloyd
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18:29.08Hell-Razorim just following a how to really
18:29.14Hell-Razorhttps://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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18:30.16Hell-Razoroh i see now
18:30.21Hell-Razorthe xorg server issue
18:30.22Hell-Razorhmmm
18:30.33Hell-Razorwhat if i try the next level up of nvidia drivers
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18:31.50pingfloydHell-Razor: maybe that will fix it
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18:32.41pingfloydHell-Razor: to me it looks like the nvidia-kernel-dkms dependencies resolve out to lower versions of the packages you have installed.
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18:32.53pingfloydHell-Razor: you did run aptitude update before hand right?
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18:33.13Hell-Razorpingfloyd, but if i add the deb into the sources.list, wont aptitude always pull from that experimental server?
18:33.15Hell-Razorand yes pingfloyd
18:33.19ctmjrHell-Razor: your running jessie but trying to install things from wheezy backports?
18:33.39Hell-Razorctmjr, im just looking for a resolution
18:33.52pingfloydctmjr: if that's the case, that would explain this unexpected conflict
18:33.58towo`this makes absolutely no sense
18:34.23towo`jessie has 340.46-6
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18:34.44towo`so what's the problem with apt-get install nvidia-driver?
18:35.10Hell-Razorbecause nvidia-driver doesnt exist?
18:35.22towo`in jessie?
18:35.27towo`for sure it exist
18:35.38pingfloydmy jessie has nvidia-driver pkg
18:36.06Hell-Razoryou mean nvidia-kernel-dkms?
18:36.09pingfloydHell-Razor: which release are you running?
18:36.10towo`no
18:36.17towo`i mean nvidia-driver
18:36.26towo`ant this packages exist in jessie
18:36.33pingfloydHell-Razor: nvidia-driver is the meta-package
18:36.44pingfloydthat should bring everything you need in
18:36.44Hell-Razorhttp://nopaste.info/49c7618c65.html
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18:37.16pingfloydHell-Razor: are you running jessie?
18:37.26towo`Hell-Razor, http://paste.debian.net/137641/
18:37.40pingfloydHell-Razor: if so, sounds like your sources.list and/or sources.list.d/* is messed up
18:37.41Hell-Razor8.0 pingfloyd
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18:37.54Hell-Razorjessie
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18:38.05pingfloydyep that's jessie
18:38.11pingfloydcheck our source.list files
18:38.38pingfloydcheck the /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files
18:38.54Hell-Razorhttp://nopaste.info/125bb54d58.html
18:39.19towo`Hell-Razor, you should use you brain
18:39.31towo`Hell-Razor, you need contrib and non-free for the blob
18:39.47pingfloydalso, why the wheezy the entry?
18:39.55Hell-Razorbecause i need it for my wifi nic
18:40.01pingfloydthat may be causing you some problems
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18:40.30pingfloydit's probably the wheezy pkgs you have installed causing this dependency snafu
18:40.50pingfloydthey depend on lower version of some of the same pkgs that the pkg you're installing depend on: hence a conflict
18:40.52Hell-Razorso comment the line out and update?
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18:41.07pingfloydyeah, and add non-free and contrib
18:41.21pingfloydgive that a shot and see if it helps
18:41.24Hell-Razorok
18:41.32ctmjrand there is no backports for jessie
18:41.41Hell-Razorand how was i supposed to know that towo` ? ive never ran debian before
18:42.10jhutchinsctmjr: By definition there is no backports for Jessie.  Jessie is where backports for Wheezy come from.
18:42.18towo`Hell-Razor, ybove you sayed you read the wiki, there it is!
18:42.32towo`*above
18:43.00Hell-Razortowo`, ... then i was on the wrong wiki
18:43.06pingfloydHell-Razor: I think those two things are the issue.  but append non-free contrib to them also.
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18:43.29Hell-Razorpingfloyd,  im looking for the non-free contrib
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18:45.47ctmjrjhutchins: what's your point that's what i said why would he have deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ jessie-backports main in his sources list
18:46.01Hell-Razorpingfloyd, i know im going to get shit for this but where are the urls for it
18:46.10Hell-Razorctmjr, so i should remove that? i didnt add it
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18:48.59pingfloydHell-Razor: here's an example http://paste.debian.net/137643/
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18:49.41pingfloydthose three lines cover standard jessie
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18:50.05Hell-Razorhowcome none of mine have testing in them
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18:50.25pingfloydHell-Razor: you can have testing or jessie
18:50.32Hell-Razorok
18:50.48pingfloydif you do testing instead, it will continue on to next testing version when it changes over to stable
18:51.00pingfloydif you use jessie, you'll be on stable when stable becomes jessie
18:51.20pingfloydso that depends which of those behaviors you want
18:51.27pingfloydjessie is the safer choice
18:51.37Hell-Razorwhen i figure out debian more and this do hickie naming scheme ill mess with things more. i just want to get wine and nvidia drivers installed.
18:51.52pingfloydHell-Razor: you need to fix your sources first
18:52.07pingfloydHell-Razor: your system will get more broken until you do
18:52.14Hell-Razoryup
18:52.16Hell-Razorone minute
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18:54.00Hell-Razorhow will this do...
18:54.05Hell-Razorhttp://paste.debian.net/137644/
18:54.06pingfloydalso check if there are any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
18:54.11Hell-Razortheres not
18:54.43pingfloydthat's one less thing to worry about then
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18:55.06Hell-Razorthis is a fresh install.. i literally just booted into it, ran the updates and installed the ralink from wheezy when i should have just done the jessie one (its fixed now)
18:55.12Hell-Razorand now im trying to get nvidia running
18:55.34pingfloydI think the problem is you have some wheezy sources still in there
18:55.34Hell-Razorwill those four lines work for me ping?
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18:55.53pingfloydyou want wheezy or jessie, but not both unless you do some pinning
18:55.54redstonecraftplHi ;)
18:56.10Hell-Razori havent tried to fix anything pingfloyd, not until my sources get fixed
18:56.34pingfloydHell-Razor: you have to change them though to use jessie/testing if you're upgrading to jessie
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18:56.45Hell-Razorhttp://paste.debian.net/137646/
18:56.50Hell-Razorthats my complete source.list
18:56.51pingfloydunless you used one of the testing installers maybe
18:57.02Hell-Razorbrb gatta grow a tail
18:57.20pingfloydbut the recommended way to install testing is install stable, edit sources and then dist-upgrade to testing
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18:59.28pingfloydanyway, at least we found the cause of the issue
19:00.01Hell-Razorok updating
19:00.22Hell-Razornow lets see if it finds nvidia-drivers
19:00.32Hell-Razornope
19:01.03pingfloydit's nvidia-driver
19:01.07pingfloydno s
19:01.15Hell-Razoroh bingo
19:01.27pingfloydbut apt-cache search is your friend
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19:01.34pingfloydalso apt-cache search -n
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19:01.43Hell-Razorill look into it
19:01.47Hell-Razorand thanks for your help pingfloyd
19:01.58Hell-Razori feel like im learning linux again lol
19:02.14pingfloydHell-Razor: np, glad we found the cause
19:02.26pingfloydHell-Razor: that output earlier was quite puzzling
19:02.33pingfloydbut makes sense now
19:02.38Hell-Razori got an output as well but it looks a lot better
19:02.42Hell-Razori can somewhat read it
19:02.54Hell-Razorshould have pasted it instead of pushing y
19:02.55Hell-Razoroh well
19:02.55pingfloydyou may have to remove some packages (cleanup)
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19:03.11pingfloydand reinstall some others
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19:03.30pingfloydbut this is going in the right direction now
19:03.36pingfloydnow it's cleanup time
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19:03.45Hell-Razoryada yada reboot yada yada nvou is conflicting
19:03.47Hell-Razoryada yada
19:03.55Hell-Razortime to config xorg
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19:05.26Hell-Razorok lets hope i didnt break anything.. do i risk a reoobt now pingfloyd or should i try the clean command and see whats going on
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19:12.16Hell-Razorso far so good
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19:13.40orfixHi all, I am currently using jessie and I want to install a previous version of a specific package found in wheezy, how should I proceed ? thanks.
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19:14.53orfixis it OK if I just add wheezy repo to my /etc/apt/sources.list then issue "aptitude update && aptitude install package=myVersion" ?
19:15.02orfixI mean is it safe ? :P
19:15.55Shadow_7orfix: depends on what you're installing.  glibc and others are not safe
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19:16.38Shadow_7orfix: as long as you use the package management system whatever you do can be undone.  Baring removing some things like libc or network drivers.
19:17.36Shadow_7orfix: it's probably safer to roll your own .deb of that version on your current system.  Although might need to be redone with various updates
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19:18.13orfixShadow_7: nmap, after I upgraded this package now it throws this error "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-version.c: 224: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion `needed != ((void *)0)' failed!"
19:19.02orfixapparently I need to upgrade my libc6 but I've seen this bug report #759530 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=759530  so I don't want to take the risk
19:19.13Shadow_7is that for a current and up to date system with no outside influences (ppa / whatever)
19:20.01orfixyes, what do you mean by ppa ?
19:20.21orfixwell not all packages are up to date
19:20.23Shadow_7like backports or other things.  little things grabbed from other sources
19:21.15orfixShadow_7: no backports "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib"
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19:22.29orfixShadow_7: do you think this bug #759530 is not relevant for my setup ? should I just proceed with the libc6 (buil-essential) upgrade ?
19:22.40Shadow_7ldconfig isn't much to worry on imo.  just makes libs available via $PATH type stuff
19:22.58Hell-Razorpingfloyd, thanks again man.. everything is running great... so far
19:23.04Shadow_7any fiddling with libc is a worry to be avoided
19:24.02Shadow_7break libc and you have no gnu tools.  ls cd shutdown ...
19:24.42orfixShadow_7: so should I upgrade "build-essential" despite that bug report or not in your opinion
19:24.44orfix?
19:25.19Shadow_7if you must probably best to be booted to a recovery install and chroot to it while doing the update
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19:25.57Shadow_7orfix: unless the date on that is < a day old, should be safe-ish imo
19:26.09Shadow_7orfix: to do normal system update / upgrade things
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19:28.40orfixShadow_7: the date on the bug report you mean ?
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19:29.18Shadow_7orfix: yes
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19:30.18orfixit was reported on 28 Aug
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19:32.11rryoumaai have no swap.  boot log says this: "sda7_crypt: the precheck for '/dev/sda7' failed: - The device /dev/sda7 contains a filesystem type crypto_LUKS."
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19:33.33ToApolytoXaosguys, i ran 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax' and i got '18446744073692774399' for reply; if that number is bytes, does it mean my system's max memory could be set up to 16 exabytes?! :S
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19:34.33pingfloydHell-Razor: you're welcome, glad to hear that fixed your debian
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19:41.39tremonrryoumaa: you have your system configured for encrypted swap on a raw partition with a random key. That essentially means that the raw partition will be formatted on every boot. As a precaution, the cryptsetup scripts check that there is no usable filesystem on that partition
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19:43.25tremonrryoumaa: if sda7 really is your swap partition and you want a random encryption key, nuke the data and reinitialize it with cryptdisks_start. Or reconfigure your swap with a to use a non-volatile encryption key
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19:44.05tremonToApolytoXaos: your system's virtual shared memory, yes. Probably not your physcial ram
19:44.42ToApolytoXaosyeah, i just found it; i nearly fainted when i saw that humongous number lol
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19:46.02pingfloydI usually just put the swap into an LV in a luks encrypted partition
19:46.31Hell-Razorpingfloyd, now i need to go to the 1.7 version of wine.... greaaaaaaat
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19:46.36Hell-Razor,v wine
19:46.36pingfloydthat also makes it possible to hibernate and resume save any issue there would be without the encryption
19:46.36juddPackage: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-17; sid: 1.6.2-17
19:46.51Hell-Razorhmm
19:46.56Hell-Razormaybe there isnt another version
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19:47.07tremonToApolytoXaos: it's a good thing to reduce that number to something sensible (with e.g. sysctl.d); although posix shared memory isn't used that often, a runaway process could easily bring your system to a crawl
19:47.11tremon,v wine-unstable
19:47.12juddNo package named 'wine-unstable' was found in i386.
19:47.19towo`wine-development
19:47.25tremon,v wine-development
19:47.26juddPackage: wine-development on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; sid: 1.7.29-4; experimental: 1.7.33-1
19:47.37tremonah, they renamed it. Hell-Razor: ^^
19:47.46Hell-Razorah
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19:48.02ToApolytoXaostremon: to be honest with you, i use the default jessie / testing settings on my amd64 system; i haven't done anything myself really.
19:48.13Hell-Razortremon, now time to figure out how to upgrade to it on jessie...
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19:48.53pingfloydHell-Razor: did you run a update and dist-upgrade after you fixed your sources?
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19:49.23Hell-Razorupdate yes but not dist-upgrade
19:49.34pingfloydin testing and sid, you usually always want to run dist-upgrade
19:49.48pingfloydinstead of just upgrade, because it isn't uncommon for dependencies to get reworked
19:49.52pingfloydin those two
19:49.53tremonToApolytoXaos: indeed, it's the same on my machine. Apparently the kernel developers don't think it's worth capping that value. Probably shouldn't worry about it then :)
19:49.54Hell-Razoralright
19:50.00Hell-Razorpingfloyd, dist-upgrade did nothing
19:50.01Hell-Razorwell
19:50.03Hell-Razorpulled nothing
19:50.07pingfloydthat's okay
19:50.12pingfloydthat means everything is peachy
19:50.18Hell-Razoryeah
19:50.21Hell-Razori figured
19:50.35Hell-Razornow... to get to the 1.7.2 of wine...
19:50.49ToApolytoXaostremon: very nice :) cheers mate
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19:51.52Hell-Razorpingfloyd, any suggestions so i dont fubar anything further? ive found how-tos but you know what that did for me before... heh
19:52.27pingfloydHell-Razor: just to run update and dist-upgrade regularly
19:52.51pingfloydand if you need to add other repos to your sources, check their priorities and pin if you have to
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19:53.10Hell-Razorno idea what that means
19:53.17pingfloydyou can check that with apt-cache priority
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19:53.33pingfloydapt-cache policy *
19:53.33tremonapt-cache policy
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19:54.27Hell-Razorbut like what am i looking for really?
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19:55.00pingfloydHell-Razor: see man apt_preferences for the details
19:56.18pingfloydall of that basically controls on what version of available versions it is going to prefer when you install without specifying version
19:57.05pingfloydyou can change that globally (not a good idea), or using pinning if you ever need a certain version of a package instead of the default version
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19:57.51Hell-Razoryeah thats exactly what i am looking for pingfloyd
19:58.04pingfloydif you ever want to run packages from more than one release, you'll want to understand pinning
19:58.25Hell-Razormy worry is that if i add say foo just for wine, what else is foo going to pull for package... anything else lol
19:58.40pingfloydjust bear in mind, even if you do all of that right, there is still a fairly good chance of problems and breakage
19:58.55jhutchinspingfloyd: Mixing releases has been generally discouraged since ~lenny.
19:58.59pingfloydso it's not supported, but that means officially it isn't supported
19:59.14pingfloyd"if you break it, you get to keep both pieces"
19:59.28Hell-Razorim trying very hard to relate this to gentoo but my mind is broken lol
19:59.36Hell-Razori used gentoo for... seven years?
19:59.44pingfloydHell-Razor: you really should master debian before messing with any of that though
19:59.55pingfloydHell-Razor: understand how debs and apt work intimately
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20:00.02Hell-Razorpingfloyd, kinky
20:00.18Ilhamihey guys. I am trying to install the guestadditions but I get denied.. I am logged in as root
20:00.18pingfloydbecause if it breaks, nobody may be able to help much as things become much more complex
20:00.25Hell-Razorpingfloyd, i found playonlinux instead of hard-installing wine
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20:01.00Hell-Razorhopefully this does the trick and as the five hour long install for wow goes i can read up on it
20:01.04pingfloydHell-Razor: I would use playonlinux where you can
20:01.09Hell-Razorim about ready to throw my monitor out the window lol
20:01.33pingfloydthen from there use wine where you have to
20:01.44Hell-Razormy next task after all this is said and done is to nuke gnome and go to xfce
20:01.47Hell-Razori hate this de
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20:02.27TuplanollaI can't install Debian. Network autoconfiguration fails and my manual configuration fails when I have to choose a mirror.
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20:02.37Hell-Razoragain man thanks for all your help pingfloyd. you da man
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20:02.53pingfloydHell-Razor: yw
20:03.25TuplanollaHow am I supposed to verify the network configuration?
20:03.47pingfloydTuplanolla: what's the error message it give you?
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20:04.29jhutchinsTuplanolla: What kind of connection do you have?
20:04.35TuplanollaIt's "broken mirror" for every mirror.
20:04.46pingfloydTuplanolla: are you trying to install over wireless?
20:05.01TuplanollaThe connection is an Ethernet cable that's plugged into a router.
20:05.27pingfloyddo you have dhcp services running on that network segment?
20:05.53TuplanollaI have no idea. I set the address to 192.168.11.4 in line with the other machines.
20:06.46pingfloydTuplanolla: it needs to know the default gateway too
20:06.51jhutchinsTuplanolla:  You need to find out what the actual settings for your network are, including DNS and gateway.  I'm guessing it's one of those two.
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20:07.05TuplanollaHow do I find them?
20:07.06i00nsu**all: to install what Debian and OpenSource philosophy tries to stop, even then most of popular sites are asking us to upgrade the Adobe-Flash. I know gnash, but even doesn't work for me. Sugestions?
20:07.13pingfloydif you're using static assigned, then you need to know that address and enter it
20:07.15jhutchinsTuplanolla: The actual mirrors look like they're fine right now.
20:07.37pingfloydjhutchins: I think his mirror issues are just the result of networking connectivity problems
20:07.38jhutchinsTuplanolla: What kind of network are you using?
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20:08.08pingfloydTuplanolla: check how you have other clients on the same LAN configured for their networking
20:08.20teraflopsIll never understand why people insists on using stable for things/packages/functionalities it is not intended to be used and then mess the entire system so it is not stable anymore
20:08.20jhutchinspingfloyd: I would say his system looks like it's configured and connected but he's not getting out to the world.  It tries to reach the mirrors as if a connection is up but fails.
20:08.22pingfloydTuplanolla: check a system that is able to reach the internet without problems
20:08.29TuplanollaUsing ifconfig?
20:08.48jhutchinsTuplanolla: ipconfig /a on windows.
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20:08.55pingfloydjhutchins: hard to say at this point, but doesn't sound like he has the gateway address set
20:08.58pingfloydat the very least
20:09.01i00nsueven to download the adobe-flash_package.deb it needs
20:09.11Tuplanollahttps://www.refheap.com/d130d10f60a2e615fcc4a3796
20:09.19i00nsuifconfig -a ()
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20:09.38rryoumaatremon: in the installer i set up sda7 to not use a fixed key.  crypttab says "sda7_crypt /dev/sda7 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap".  i tried your suggestion of cryptdisks_start on /dev/sda7, but it said "/dev/sda7 (failed, not found in crypttab)...failed."
20:09.41i00nsusorry*
20:09.43jhutchins!flash
20:09.43dpkgFlash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser.  Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations.  http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
20:10.02jhutchinsi00nsu: I just updated mine.
20:10.31Vamp898Hi there. I setup an Debian Notebook for my girlfriend and there is one problem. While setting up i used wpa_supplicant which worked just perfect. But for her i need the NetworkManager which, as soon it is started, keeps asking for the Passwort of the WPA protected AP
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20:10.52Vamp898no matter how often i type it in correctly, he keeps asking and is not connecting
20:11.02TuplanollaThat ifconfig output doesn't tell me anything useful.
20:11.14Vamp898stopping network-manager and using wpa_supplicant by hand still works, but is not an solution for her
20:13.05Vamp898This Laptop was running Archlinux, Sabayon and FreeBSD/PC-BSD, on those systems NetworkManager worked so im not sure if this is debian specific
20:13.06IlhamiI installed the virtual box guest additions but seems like the screen is still messed up
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20:13.44tremonrryoumaa: you would need to issue cryptdisks_start sda7_crypt (it needs the crypted name, not the source device)
20:14.23rryoumaaah
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20:14.37rryoumaatremon: how do i make this permanent?
20:14.51rryoumaastill fails
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20:15.09Ilhamihow do I download sources for debian?
20:15.12TuplanollaCan you read the configuration parameters from that output, pingfloyd and jhutchins?
20:15.19rryoumaa"sda7_crypt: the precheck for '/dev/sda7' failed: - The device /dev/sda7 contains a filesystem type crypto_LUKS. ... (warning)."
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20:16.23tremonrryoumaa: like I said, you need to nuke the data in the sda7 partition. But before you do, you should triple-check that sda7 is indeed your swap partition and not, say, your encrypted root
20:16.48pingfloydTuplanolla: is there any devices already working on the same network as the system you're trying to install?
20:17.03TuplanollaYes. Two.
20:17.07tremon(and nuking really means something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda7)
20:17.11pingfloydwhat os are they running?
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20:17.18TuplanollaUbuntu.
20:17.36rryoumaatremon: and then after nuking i ahve to do luksFormat?  and use a fixed key?  and a key file that is on root?
20:17.44pingfloydyou should probably be able to see the network settings by looking at network-manager on your ubuntu system
20:17.47rryoumaatremon: i thought it could be done with a termporary key
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20:18.20pingfloydlike see if using dhcp or not.  If not, take note of gateway, dns, subnet mask etc.
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20:18.44tremonrryoumaa: it can. So no, you don't need to do anything else if you just want a random key for your swap
20:18.56rryoumaatremon: then how come it doesn't get set up upon boot?
20:18.59pingfloydand what its ip address looks like, you'll need to give the new system a unique ip address of its own if you're using static ips, but it needs to be on the same subnet.
20:19.21TuplanollaI installed them all with automatic network configuration.
20:19.22i00nsujhutchins: wow, now I need to use firefox c: luakit works fine and based on firefox.. so let me see if is any way to apply a xpi file to luakit cD
20:19.38Ilhamican anyone answer me?
20:19.39pingfloydTuplanolla: check if they are using dhcp to get their configuration
20:19.47tremonrryoumaa: because "The device /dev/sda7 contains a filesystem" -- as you have already pasted twice in this channel
20:19.51TuplanollaHow?
20:20.12pingfloydifconfig -a or look in network-manager applet
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20:20.26TuplanollaI did both and showed you the output.
20:20.33rryoumaatremon: it has never contained a filesystem (if you mean ext4 etc.) that i am aware of, just swap
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20:20.51rryoumaatremon: i.e. i just installed and set it up that way
20:21.27TuplanollaThere is one dhcp address mentioned in the network manager.
20:22.23tremonrryoumaa: it's not me that you need to convince that it has never contained a filesystem, just your debian install :)
20:23.03rryoumaatremon: how do i convince it?  i get that i can wipe the partition, but then it isn't going to get written encrypted, right?
20:23.41pingfloydTuplanolla: to check on ubuntu http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44376/how-to-find-out-if-ubuntu-is-using-dhcp-ubuntu-12-04-lts-gui
20:24.01tremonrryoumaa: yes it will. cryptdisks_start will do that for you
20:24.03i00nsuwow .. in nor firefox but iceweasel.. those iceweasel accept api files ?
20:24.38TuplanollaThat doesn't work since the Edit button is disabled, pingfloyd.
20:24.50rryoumaatremon: just to confirm: so it will swap encrypted?  even though i did dd to wipe the whole partition and did not set up any sort of luks on it?
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20:26.28tremonrryoumaa: yes. you can't use luks with a random key, it will use raw dm_crypt. As soon as you create a luks container on sda7 (as the installer or you did), cryptdisks_start will refuse to use it
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20:27.18TuplanollaI looked into /var/lib/dhcp and found some leases though.
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20:27.58tremon(to clarify, you could use luks with a random key, but there is little point to it as you'll never be able to unlock it again, so the cryptsetup scripts don't use luks)
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20:28.03rryoumaatremon: thanks.  ok, so i tried to confirm that it is not a real fs by doing luksOpen.  it said "Cannot use device /dev/sda7 which is in use (already mapped or mounted)." but /dev/mapper does not contain it and mount does not show it.  df does not show it either.
20:28.19rryoumaaah hang on, let me investigate further
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20:28.26pingfloydTuplanolla: you can try sudo grep DHCP /var/log/syslog or try gksudo nm-connection-editor
20:29.03tremonrryoumaa: it's probably best to check with parted or fdisk how big the partition is. If it's not the size of what you expect your swap to be, don't nuke it
20:29.11remote,
20:29.48Ilhamihello. I dont have the git package available. Why so? shouldnt that package be there by default?
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20:30.25pingfloydtremon: try cryptsetup status on it
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20:30.36tremonrryoumaa: ^^
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20:31.09Ilhami1528 and noone can answer a simple question.
20:31.12TuplanollaNow I know DHCP is used, but what do I gain?
20:31.21Ilhamipathetic support.
20:31.36tremonIlhami: I was typing an answer, but you will no longer get it
20:31.41rryoumaatremon: yeah good idea.  but i think i know part of the problem.  i installed using virtualbox which called i sda.  it is sdb.  but there is still a problem, if i want to use a uuid to avoid that problem in the future.  blkid for some reason does not show sdb7 at all.  why wouldn't it?
20:31.52IlhamiOk then don't. I think googles answers are better than yours anyway.
20:32.24pingfloydIlhami: grow up
20:32.26IlhamiI asked the same question 3 times to even get a recognition.
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20:32.33Ilhamithat's crap.
20:32.35Ilhamiimo
20:32.36tremonrryoumaa: blkid doesn't show it if it can't detect a filesystem on it, so that's probably your swap partition
20:32.48rryoumaahow do i get the uuid?
20:33.35tremonrryoumaa: the uuid will change every time it's booted and reformatted. Better use the device path (i.e. look in /dev/disk/by-path/ for symlinks to sdb7, and use that as your source device
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20:33.53rryoumaatremon: ok, thanks.  i will try that and reboot.
20:34.32jhutchinsIlhami: People here are just other users, most of them waiting for an answer to their own question.
20:34.42tremonhmm, I meant /dev/disk/by-id
20:34.51Ilhamijhutchins, not these guys. They are answering everybody else.
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20:35.14rryoumaatremon: oh, one more question while i ahve you here, if you are willing.  the labels are non-semantic and refer to the wrong disk (sda6_crypt instead of home).  if i just change crypttab and fstab to fix this, it does not boot.  clearly i need to change initrd or something like that.  is this a heavy operation to attempt?
20:35.17everamzahvoluntarily
20:35.34zxc1Can I use hostapd with wpa_supplicant?
20:35.59rryoumaaIlhami: you have to just hope for the best
20:36.24pingfloydrryoumaa: that's right, usually after you change the /etc/crypttab you need to run update-initramfs
20:36.26jhutchins!tell Ilhami about search
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20:36.47Ilhami!tell jhutchins to shut up
20:36.48TuplanollaI tried another mirror and it worked, pingfloyd. Looks like I just got unlucky five times a row.
20:36.51tremonrryoumaa: you should be able to change almost all of them with ease, only your root partition is not easily renamed. But if you rename them, you must change the name both in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab unless you're using lvm on luks
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20:37.02jhutchins,v git
20:37.03juddPackage: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.3-1; sid: 1:2.1.4-2; experimental: 1:2.1.4+next.20141218-2
20:37.05pingfloydTuplanolla: oh, that's kind of a blessing
20:37.15Ilhamiso why is git not available by default?
20:37.19pingfloydTuplanolla: because dhcp should work real easy in the installer
20:37.19Ilhamithe sudo command is not even installed.
20:37.22rryoumaapingfloyd: is that all that is needed?  no specifying anything in a config file?  i am afraid to run it because it does not take a hard drive argument and i fear it will write to the wrong boot or something.  i guess it writes to /boot though.
20:37.25pingfloydTuplanolla: it's the default in fact
20:37.33teraflopsIlhami: what kind of silly question is that?
20:37.41Ilhamiteraflops, ok let me show you
20:37.49TuplanollaThat has been my experience with derivatives, pingfloyd.
20:37.50pingfloydrryoumaa: I'm not so sure with your setup
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20:38.08pingfloydrryoumaa: I put my swap in an LV when I use luks
20:38.08Ilhamilet me login as my own user.. then you will see that sudo is not installed.
20:38.28rryoumaapingfloyd: yeah, no lvm, so maybe i will put up with the incorrect labels :)
20:38.38teraflopsIlhami: again thats silly
20:38.44pingfloydrryoumaa: if there is any doubt in your mind about anything, just make sure you have good and up to date backups
20:38.47Ilhamiteraflops, yeah tell that to debian.
20:38.49Ilhamisu works
20:38.50Ilhamibut not sudo
20:38.56teraflopsIlhami: instal sudo if you need sudo and install git if you need git
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20:39.07rryoumaapingfloyd: as long as it does not write to my other hard drive i am ok with trying it.  i just don't know if it will do that.
20:39.08Ilhamithe git package is not there by default.
20:39.09pingfloydrryoumaa: before you do something, especially when you involved encryption
20:39.14teraflopsIlhami: no im telling it to you
20:39.29Ilhamiteraflops, which is bad.
20:39.47Ilhamithe guest additions cause problems
20:39.48teraflopsIlhami: for you may be
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20:40.04jhutchinsIlhami: There are over 30,000 packages available for Debian.  We can't guess what every single user will want to have installed, but we can be sure that the tools to install anything are installed or available.
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20:40.08Ilhamithe guest additions for debian are not working properly.
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20:40.18Ilhamifor virtualbox
20:40.32teraflopsIlhami: fill a complain
20:40.40pingfloydrryoumaa: the thing is, even if you've done something a million time, you want to error on the side of caution if any important data is at stake.
20:40.42jhutchinsIlhami: Better yet, read the documentation.
20:40.45IlhamiI installed them but still screen is messy. I guess I have to install the linux-generic-headers which were not available either.
20:41.05Ilhamiwith ubuntu all you need is available by default.:)
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20:41.16jhutchinsIlhami: No, not all I need.
20:41.20teraflopsIlhami: ubuntu is by there ===>
20:41.29Ilhamiguess debian didnt make it to the next step :D
20:41.35jhutchinsIlhami: It's all available, just not pre-installed.  Some of us like having some disk space left.
20:41.45pingfloydIlhami: so run ubuntu
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20:41.58everamzahuse tasksel
20:42.02Ilhamino I won't run that crap.
20:42.05Ilhamiubuntu is worse
20:42.10Ilhamiit's filled with utter nonsense
20:42.20Ilhamithen it's better that debian is not filled with that.
20:42.23jhutchinsIlhami: If you have a specific question about something you need to do in Debian, please ask it.
20:42.32Ilhamiokok thanks.
20:42.34jhutchinsIlhami: If all you want to do is complain please take it somewhere else.
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20:43.00Ilhamilet me first fix sudo
20:43.12teraflopsheh
20:43.23pingfloydsudo isn't working?
20:43.31CutMeOwnThroatIlhami, so what you're saying is... with ubuntu you complain that too much stuff is installed that you never need and with debian you complain that stuff that you want isn't installed by default
20:43.46pingfloydsounds like virtualbox not working is only the beginning
20:43.49Ilhamihahah yeah. It has to be between those two maybe.
20:43.51CutMeOwnThroatso basically a distro should have installed exactly what YOU nead
20:44.00CutMeOwnThroatelse it's crap...
20:44.05IlhamiCutMeOwnThroat, exactly man :D
20:44.17pingfloydCutMeOwnThroat: that sounds exactly like it
20:44.39CutMeOwnThroatIlhami, maybe you should install "telepathy"... sorry, it's not installed by default, people thought it was crap
20:44.45Ilhamivirtualbox is nonsense. I activated the clipboard function but I can't copy from it.
20:44.55Ilhamifrom the vm to host
20:45.09pingfloydIlhami: you need the guest additions for that
20:45.21Ilhamioh
20:45.34pingfloydthat's normal
20:45.35IlhamiI did install it though. but seems to have not worked.
20:45.37rryoumaaperhaps there should be as many distros as users?  then we can collapse those into a single distro with a package manager that you can use to make it your own.
20:45.38teraflopsIlhami: may be you need to learn to ask properly on sites like the one we are
20:46.20pingfloydsmart questions get smart answers
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20:46.24IlhamiI can't install sudo because it asks me to insert some disks.
20:46.25teraflopsyep
20:46.26Ilhamidisk*
20:46.33teraflopsIlhami: better ;)
20:46.46IlhamiMedia changed: please insert the disc labelled
20:46.53Ilhamilabeled*
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20:47.18Ilhamiwhy does it want me to insert the disc I used to install?
20:47.29pingfloydIlhami: is asking for the guest additions media in the guest?
20:47.44pingfloydusually you have to mount its iso in the guest and then install it
20:48.01teraflopsIlhami: because it seems you didnt add any repo when installing debian
20:48.02IlhamiIt's asking me for the CD I used to install with.
20:48.13Ilhamiinstall debian
20:48.15Ilhami*
20:48.15pingfloydmaybe debian takes of that, I'm not sure, because it's been some time since I dumped vbox
20:48.22pingfloyd*takes care
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20:48.55Ilhamipingfloyd, I already installed the guest additions.. but it's not working since I am missing some packages like the linux-generic-headers and build-essential, module-assistant packages
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20:49.14IlhamiI tried to install them but it does not locate these packages.
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20:49.32pingfloydsounds like it didn't install then
20:49.47Ilhamiso how can I get these packages? that was my original first question. :d
20:50.02Ilhamidpkg-reconfigure?
20:50.02teraflopsIlhami: fix your sources.list
20:50.08pingfloyd^^
20:50.11muscaclean up your sources.
20:50.18Ilhamiisn't there a command for that?
20:50.18musca!sources
20:50.18dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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20:50.25pingfloydthere it is
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20:50.37pingfloydyou have 2 options though
20:50.52pingfloydjust reinstall and do it right this time, or edit /etc/apt/sources.list
20:50.56Ilhamiaaah I cant even copy that lol
20:51.01teraflopsheh
20:51.04IlhamiI will fix the sources.list. No problem.
20:51.07pingfloydif this is fresh install, just start over
20:51.15Ilhamiit is a fresh install.
20:51.26pingfloydthat would be easier, just make sure to tell it which mirror to use this time
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20:51.41Ilhamino pingfloyd . cant be bothered to reinstall again.. first time I installed I forgot  my password lol
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20:51.52Ilhamithat will be the third time of the day.
20:51.54pingfloydpersonally, I always do the expert mode because I can see more of what is going on
20:52.11IlhamiSo I will add those sources. Shouldn't be too hard.
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20:52.18Ilhamibut you know there is always a problem popping up
20:52.21pingfloydIlhami: if that's the only problem
20:52.49IlhamiI think it is. We will see.
20:53.03pingfloydcan always try that first
20:53.11Ilhamimy sources.list is empty. Is that normal?
20:53.13pingfloydand see if any other problems come up after that is fixed
20:53.20pingfloydno
20:53.25pingfloydthat should have the mirrors in it
20:53.26Ilhamioh wait. :d wrong command.
20:53.29IlhamiI see them
20:53.46jhutchinsIlhami: I don't mean to be rude, but most of your complaints are simply due to the fact that you don't know how things are supposed to work.  We'll be happy to help if we can, but there's also some good documentation out there that would help: https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals  https://www.debian.org/doc/
20:53.49muscacomment out that deb-cdrom line
20:54.02Ilhamimusca, I did already
20:54.07Ilhamithats why it was asking for that disc
20:54.08Ilhamilol
20:54.16pingfloydnow run apt-get update
20:54.22muscaexactly
20:54.45Ilhami!sources
20:54.46dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
20:54.56Ilhamiplease don't type anything so it doesnt move.
20:55.05pingfloydcopy it to the clipboard
20:55.07teraflopsheh
20:55.26IlhamiI cannot copy :D guest additions not working you know
20:56.04teraflopsi have the sense im being reverse-trolled (again)
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20:56.41pingfloydteraflops: you won't have that feeling if you ever work at a helpdesk :)
20:56.50Ilhami:S
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20:56.56IlhamiI am not trolling guys. I am serious.
20:57.02IlhamiThis is my first experience with debian.
20:57.46teraflopspingfloyd: I do, and may be im not reverse-trolled but the line is thin
20:57.47pingfloydIlhami: you need to get down the basics of debian
20:57.56teraflopsbeing*
20:58.17Ilhamipingfloyd, I know the commands from ubuntu
20:58.18Ilhamisome of them
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20:58.47pingfloydIlhami: these problems you're getting worked up over, are simple lack of understanding how to use
20:59.22pingfloydubuntu tries to make it to where you're coddled from all of this.
20:59.31pingfloydyou've got to be willing to learn in Debian
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20:59.40Ilhamipingfloyd, what is there to learn? excuse me.
20:59.48Ilhamia few commands here and there.
20:59.50Ilhamiand what more?
21:00.14Ilhamiupdating packages now.
21:00.55IlhamiI have also used other dists, like elementary os, centos and some others.
21:00.59IlhamiI also think redhat.
21:01.06IlhamiLinux dists are not much different.
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21:10.17CutMeOwnThroatIlhami, the package-managements are
21:10.33CutMeOwnThroatand with systemd everything will be different
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21:10.37CutMeOwnThroatlucky us, new things to learn
21:11.26pingfloydit's the package management system that he is struggling with
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21:11.58pingfloydso the similarities are moot in this case anyway
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21:13.14Ilhamipingfloyd, :D
21:13.44Ilhami<PROTECTED>
21:14.18pingfloydadd contrib non-free to that line
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21:14.56Ilhamiafter "main"?
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21:15.56pingfloydyeah, if you want those branches
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21:16.50IlhamiI have more sources.list files though..
21:17.03Ilhamisources.list.d
21:17.10pingfloydyou also want the line for security updates and volatile/updates
21:17.29Ilhamithe security one was there alreeady
21:17.41Ilhamibut not volatile
21:17.42pingfloydok
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21:20.57Ilhamithere are some errors.
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21:28.24CutMeOwnThroatpingfloyd, I think volatile isn't useful for most people, though
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21:35.13pingfloydyeah, I think you just add wheezy-updates now
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21:36.01pingfloydin jessie, I use testing-updates
21:36.08jhutchinsMight be useful to see what other sources lists he's added in the .d files.
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21:37.02pingfloydany sort of details would be useful
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21:40.54CoreSainti am using jessie (installed it from tesing) but i am not sure if i have modified my source.list or it was setup that way but it is not using "testing" just "jessie"
21:41.03Hell-Razorif i want to install one file and its dependencies pingfloyd , how would i do it? im starting to tear my hair out reading documents and the man pages with zero luck
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21:41.44gry"one file and its dependencies"?
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21:42.03grywhat is "install one file"
21:42.12Hell-Razorgry, wine 1.7.3
21:42.16CoreSaintmaybe one package?
21:42.22Hell-Razoryeah thats what i meant
21:42.29CoreSaintdpkg
21:42.45CoreSaintdpkg -i "file"
21:42.45dpkgpackage "file" is already installed
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21:44.19grymay i ask why you're not installing it from the repos?
21:45.40grythere is a '--info' action of dpkg-deb, see 'man dpkg'; you may be able to get it to show a list of deps of that package
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21:46.27mc_failhi guys
21:46.43pingfloydHell-Razor: there's gdebi
21:47.22Ilhamipingfloyd, I will give you my source file in a moment. :)
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21:47.45Ilhamiand the error I got
21:47.49pingfloydIlhami: the quickest way if probably pastebin them all somewhere and show the channel
21:47.56Hell-Razorgry, i could go to sid but the way debian has stuff setup that when i add it to the sources list it will pull all packages it can from there instead of the wine and its deps. ive been reading stuff all day on it and i feel like things are a hell of a lot more complex than what they need to be. in my eyes its like debian jessie sid and billy bob are completely different distros
21:48.17Ilhamipingfloyd, of course. that was also my intention :D
21:48.22pingfloydHell-Razor: you can use gdebi for that
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21:48.34Hell-Razorgdebi...
21:48.48grywell you can pin them Hell-Razor http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
21:48.57gryif you want 1 package fresh but everything else not
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21:49.14grybut i personally just said screw it, and upgraded to jessie, it was enough and it was stable
21:49.14pingfloydHell-Razor: if you downloaded a .deb package and want it installed along with its dependencies resolved
21:49.22Hell-Razorgry, im on jessie
21:49.31grypingfloyd:  yes he wants that ( but i dont, it's a mess to upgrade later )
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21:50.27mc_faili have a hudnreds (actually about 2 thousands) of production servers with fedora 16, and obviusly i have some problems with updates. Now, to update every server to the new fedora i have to send army of engineers in about hundred of cities around the country. So, i've decide to migrate everything to the debian testing(because it is rolling), but i don't sure is it actually a good idea, what do you think?
21:51.18Hell-Razori cant follow this.. im really giving this distro a try and learning a lot but cant grasp why its so hard to pull just one package.. "hard" meaning in the two other distros ive ran for several months its literally one command on the install and done
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21:51.44tremonmc_fail: debian testing is not "rolling" in the full sense. It also does not get any security updates
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21:52.57mc_failtremon hmm, what do you mean by 'in the full sense'?
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21:53.29Hell-Razorpingfloyd, ok so if i setup a pin... then add the mirror in the source list, how does it know to only pull that package from that mirror?
21:53.44YoStealthis kirta 2.9 (beta) going to be in testing or sid soon ???
21:54.11mc_failand, could you give me some advice, may be i should migrate everything to the stable?
21:54.25tremonmc_fail: once a feature freeze has been declared for the next stable, no new packages enter testing unless they are bugfixes. That means that for roughly 6-12 monts every few years, testing is no longer rolling
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21:55.30tremonmc_fail: and after that period of relative rest, you will get a few months of possibly disruptive upgrades as testing is brought in line with upstream and the new release goals
21:56.18Hell-Razorah forget it i give up
21:56.20Ilhami!sources
21:56.20dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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21:56.53tremonmc_fail: however debian does fully support upgrades from the previous release to the current, so debian stable might still be a good choice for you. You do have a configuration management system like chef or puppet to manage that many systems, right?
21:57.11mc_failtremon yes, i have chef
21:57.40gryHell-Razor: it's a pity people suggested you different solutions and got you confused. pinning is easy, i linked you to the tutorial, when you set up the list and priorities you just apt-get install packagename/unstable
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21:58.38IlhamiFailed to fetch: http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages: 404 Not found [IP:131.246.123.4 80]
21:58.43IlhamiThis is my only problem so far.
21:58.54IlhamiI dont see that line in my sources.list file though
21:59.23mc_failbut anyway, with stable i have to move to the fonew release, and it looks like i should freeze an old one releases mirrors for every release that i have
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22:01.02tremonmc_fail: I would say that debian stable would be a better choice than testing. You will also get a broader package selection than fedora, but also slightly older packages (as debian's feature freezes last longer than fedora). Although, if you're on fedora 16 right now, I don't think that will be an issue
22:01.41tremonmc_fail: I don't get what you're saying with that last part. "freeze an old release mirror"?
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22:03.15YoStealthis kirta 2.9 (beta) going to be in testing or sid soon ???
22:03.23Hell-Razorgry, yeah i understand it but i just want to get to know it more
22:03.34grythen don't give up ;)
22:03.51tremonIlhami: do you have a "deb http.debian.net wheezy stable/updates" line?
22:04.18Ilhaminope.
22:04.19mc_failtremon i mean, to avoid upgrade an old server with debian squeeze(when it is end of life) for example if i want to install some new package, i have to keep a mirror with debian squeeze packages
22:04.19tremonargh. wheezy/updates stable that would be
22:04.25Ilhamioh
22:04.58Hell-Razorgry, but yeah im about ready to hang up my hat though
22:04.58Ilhamitremon, yes I have that line.
22:05.22grydo you mean sleep?
22:05.23tremonmc_fail: we have archive.debian.org for that. You can still get packages for debian releases back as far as 2004 there iirc
22:05.45CutMeOwnThroatonly 2004?
22:05.54Ilhamitremon, didn't you forget http:// in front of that?
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22:06.14tremonIlhami: I think it should be wheezy-updates, with a dash instead of a slash. Unfortunate choice of the ftp masters in my opinion
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22:06.21mc_failtremon hmm, great, and it looks like lifetime of debian releases is about 3 years... it is much better than fedora
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22:06.52CutMeOwnThroathm, indeed, snapshots only has stuff since 2005... but archives which has the install-media goes all the way back, I think
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22:07.03Ilhamitremon, I have one with dash and one without :D
22:07.14Ilhami!sources
22:07.14dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
22:07.15tremonIlhami: security.debian.org paths are named stable/updates, but the former volatile was renamed to stable-updates and is on the main debian archive mirrors (so http.debian.net).
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22:08.11tremonCutMeOwnThroat: yes, I expected that, but I didn't want to say 1996 and have someone tell me that it didn't go back that far :)
22:08.15IlhamiI have all those lines in !sources
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22:08.52CutMeOwnThroattremon, sure... I just started wondering myself, when you said the date :)
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22:09.19tremonIlhami: can you paste your file to paste.debian.net? I think you have a typo in either the volatile or security lines
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22:10.57Ilhamitremon, works now :)
22:11.01IlhamiI had one line too much :D
22:11.06IlhamiI had 4 lines but it only needs 3
22:11.29Ilhamithanks for taking the time to help.
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22:12.18tremonyou're welcome
22:12.28Ilhamigonna install the vbox guest additions again and see if I succeed this time.
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22:21.52petn-randallbabilen: Haven't heard of you in a while, are you hiding? ;)
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22:22.03petn-randallAnd where's ompaul when you need him?
22:23.09CutMeOwnThroatin the 80ies
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22:25.32Ilhamilooks like guest additions works now.
22:25.38CutMeOwnThroat\o/
22:25.55Ilhaminow I can install vim and get started :D
22:26.16Ilhamimy first command will be vimtutor heh
22:26.51CutMeOwnThroatdidn't know vim needed guest additions
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22:26.59petn-randallwoops, wrong channel, heading off to #debian-offtopic.
22:27.19Ilhamiof course it doesnt. :D but I dont like using the vm without vbox guest additions.
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22:28.06dltladd vim-gtk too and make sure you have vimdiff
22:28.35Ilhamiok sure. but I need to learn vim commands first.
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22:58.37calistoHi, any knows how can create my personal usb boot installer of debian?
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23:00.15babilendpkg: tell calisto -about usb install
23:01.28calistook babilen , but, I know how can intall debian in my laptop.
23:01.52calistoI like create my personal boot installer to install all machines in my work
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23:02.12Ilhamipingfloyd, sorry for before btw.
23:02.25calistoI like create my personal usb installer of debian
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23:05.40minnesotagsdpkg: I have those lines in my sources list (well, different mirror, but same same). but also have those same lines as deb-src. It's just the way I have had it. Is that not needed?
23:05.42dpkgminnesotags: what are you talking about?
23:05.53babilencalisto: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD might be of interest, but then I'd recommend simply setting up PXE booting with preseeding. In particular if you want to "install all machine in my work"
23:06.06ak102Hi, how to import VPN config setting in new network-manager 0.9.10?
23:06.16minnesotagsdpkg: where you write:  A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.
23:06.17dpkgminnesotags: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
23:06.44babilenminnesotags: dpkg is a bot
23:07.07calistothanks babilen I read this now...
23:07.32minnesotagsLol. Well what is it on about then?
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23:08.54minnesotagsbabilen; you didn't add "a most unhelpful bot".
23:09.40babilenminnesotags: I beg to differ
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23:10.35minnesotagsbabilen: what are you talking about?
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23:11.05babilenminnesotags: I do not agree with you on "a most unhelpful bot", but lets move on, this is leading nowhere.
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23:12.28minnesotags"Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list"." Where do we "see" this? What do we "see" when we do "see" it?
23:13.12muscatheese are additional factoids
23:13.14tremonminnesotags: /msg dpkg <topic>
23:13.34babilenAh, so you want to know how to use our bot (or IRC bots in general)? Then please ask *that* as our crystal balls aren't that great. Use "/msg dpkg foo" for <foo>
23:14.04babilendpkg: tell minnesotags -about dpkgbot
23:14.21minnesotagsHere is a parseable request: A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 Wheezy has three lines "deb ..... main", mine has similar lines, but adds deb-src lines. Are those unnecessary?
23:15.41mtnminnesotags: this might be easier: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
23:15.55muscadebian is a binary distribution, but you can use such "deb-src" lines to access the sourcecode of the packages.
23:16.23minnesotagsThank you musca.
23:17.48Hell-Razor,v nvidia-driver
23:17.49juddPackage: nvidia-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 340.46-6; sid/non-free: 340.65-2; experimental/non-free: 343.36-1
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23:18.19babilenHell-Razor: You can also use judd in private with "/msg judd v $PKG"
23:18.33Hell-Razorbabilen, oh sorry
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23:22.54axel_rock_itwill be gnome-software released in jessie?
23:23.25minnesotagsHell-Razor: you have no reason to be sorry. It is a chat channel and you are asking a question. This isn't an audience with the queen. Well, maybe it is.
23:23.56mtnaxel_rock_it: released or default? anyway, it is yes to both, at least at this time
23:24.16axel_rock_itmtn: thats fine :D
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23:25.04axel_rock_itit makes linux lookking impressive for new user
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23:52.58IlhamiI think I will fall in love with debian :D
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23:55.08hassoonwhat is a dtansational package?
23:55.13hassoonlike this one
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23:55.25hassoondpkg gsynaptics
23:55.25dpkgGSynaptics is a GUI configuration utility for <synaptics>.  This program is succeeded by GPointingDeviceSettings and was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #572611.
23:55.48hassoon*transational*
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23:56.26aypea[1]hassoon: it's an empty package with a dependancy on a package that replaces it
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23:59.17hassoonaypea[1]: do i understand that it is like a pointer to another real package that replaces it?
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23:59.31hassoondpkg transational package
23:59.31dpkghassoon: I don't know, could you explain it?
23:59.36aypea[1]hassoon: more or less, yes.
23:59.56aypea[1]hassoon: it also means that if you have been using the replaced package, its replacement gets installed automagically for you.

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