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| 00:03.02 | ktechmidas | kristijonas: |
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| 00:03.11 | ktechmidas | are you actually substituting the IP addresses? |
| 00:03.41 | ktechmidas | 'ip route add 10.10.10.200 via 10.10.10.1 dev eth0' for example? |
| 00:03.48 | ktechmidas | that's how it's meant to look... |
| 00:04.17 | ktechmidas | obviously use your IP's |
| 00:04.18 | ktechmidas | not mine |
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| 00:04.42 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, yes, I have configured openvpn both on client and server, as explained in https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN#Static-Key_VPN |
| 00:05.03 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, '10.9.8.1 will be IP of the server, 10.9.8.2 is IP of client.' |
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| 00:05.54 | ktechmidas | so: 'ip route add 10.9.8.1 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0' - the gateway is your router |
| 00:06.05 | ktechmidas | so replace 192.168.1.1 with your router address |
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| 00:07.03 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, 'RTNETLINK answers: File exists' |
| 00:07.23 | petn-randall | kristijonas: add â replace |
| 00:07.44 | ktechmidas | aye: ip route replace 10.9.8.1 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 |
| 00:08.15 | ktechmidas | I'm lazy... I just socks proxy into my network :( |
| 00:08.40 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, Debian Wiki says that the second command on client is 'ip route change default via 10.9.8.5 dev tun0 proto static //client tun0 10.9.8.5' |
| 00:09.12 | ktechmidas | kristijonas: you haven't done the first one correctly yet |
| 00:09.28 | ktechmidas | the Debian Wiki says a lot of things, not all of them right :P |
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| 00:09.35 | Bacteria | :> |
| 00:09.40 | Bacteria | ah thx god |
| 00:09.51 | Bacteria | only 1 chanel left unreg |
| 00:09.53 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, I just typed exactly what you wrote me. and I got an error. |
| 00:10.04 | ktechmidas | what did the error say? |
| 00:10.05 | Bacteria | hay gaize |
| 00:10.18 | Bacteria | do u kno if iptables will reload my rules |
| 00:10.22 | Bacteria | if i restart |
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| 00:10.33 | ktechmidas | Bacteria: if you've got it set to reload |
| 00:10.36 | ktechmidas | by default, no |
| 00:10.58 | Bacteria | y is debian so diff about iptables |
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| 00:11.12 | ktechmidas | I think most distros are like that |
| 00:11.15 | ktechmidas | it's to protect you |
| 00:11.17 | Bacteria | i like how redhat just let u edit that file |
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| 00:11.20 | ktechmidas | in case you screw it up |
| 00:11.29 | ktechmidas | if you screw it up you restart without the rules |
| 00:11.43 | Bacteria | ok ya |
| 00:12.12 | Bacteria | man as soon as i disable my hardware firewall i am getting trolled |
| 00:12.20 | Bacteria | hardcore |
| 00:12.23 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, 'ip route add 10.9.8.1 via 192.168.1.254 dev eth0' -> ''RTNETLINK answers: File exists' |
| 00:12.33 | ktechmidas | kristijonas: |
| 00:12.35 | ktechmidas | replace |
| 00:12.45 | ktechmidas | 'ip route replace 10.9.8.1 via 192.168.1.254 dev eth0' |
| 00:12.57 | ktechmidas | it's saying it exists because you've already done it (incorrectly) |
| 00:13.06 | ktechmidas | so you need to replace your bad config with a good config |
| 00:13.15 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, okay, i did it now. |
| 00:13.23 | Bacteria | how good is iptables vs hardware firewall |
| 00:13.35 | ktechmidas | iptables works alright for me |
| 00:13.45 | ktechmidas | never had any serious traffic thrown at it though |
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| 00:13.52 | Bacteria | oh |
| 00:13.53 | Bacteria | i see |
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| 00:13.59 | Bacteria | its basicly like an offload |
| 00:14.05 | Bacteria | rite |
| 00:14.06 | ktechmidas | I use iptables on my gateway |
| 00:14.15 | kristijonas | ktechmidas, should I now run 'ip route change default via 10.9.8.5 dev tun0 proto static '? |
| 00:14.20 | ktechmidas | only expose 22 and 80 to the net |
| 00:14.25 | Bacteria | so the comp doesnt have to use cpu for blocking rite |
| 00:14.40 | ktechmidas | kristijonas: not sure beyond here I'm afraid, I haven't done much networking for a while |
| 00:14.41 | Bacteria | u get a extra hardware firewall in front |
| 00:15.11 | ktechmidas | Bacteria: I have a gateway, it's just a Linux box with iptables and DHCP |
| 00:15.18 | ktechmidas | so I guess you could call it a firewall |
| 00:16.10 | Bacteria | k |
| 00:16.32 | Bacteria | what r the likelyhood of someone getting passed preauth |
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| 00:20.20 | ktechmidas | Bacteria: If you want a DIY hardware firewall, I'd look into pfsense |
| 00:20.38 | ktechmidas | or ClearOS if you want something simpler |
| 00:21.00 | Bacteria | id like to just deny all in iptables |
| 00:21.09 | Bacteria | and allow 1 |
| 00:21.13 | Bacteria | mine |
| 00:21.19 | ktechmidas | That should do it, DROP don't REJECT |
| 00:21.27 | Bacteria | ya |
| 00:21.43 | ktechmidas | and it won't affect your CPU at all... most hardware firewalls use iptables underneth anyway |
| 00:21.47 | Bacteria | can u tell me how |
| 00:21.57 | Bacteria | so simple but i cant find it |
| 00:22.00 | ktechmidas | hang on |
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| 00:22.31 | Bacteria | -A INPUT -j DROP? |
| 00:24.01 | ktechmidas | http://paste.debian.net/137790/ |
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| 00:24.28 | ktechmidas | simplez :D |
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| 00:27.33 | ktechmidas | it gets real fun when you have more than one interface... especially in NAT's |
| 00:27.50 | ktechmidas | I have about 200 rules :( |
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| 00:37.00 | rebauld_ | do you start with block or allow all? |
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| 00:47.24 | Bacteria | depends on what u want i think |
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| 00:48.43 | c|AFK|uego | i want kittens |
| 00:48.48 | c|AFK|uego | and laser pointers |
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| 00:49.11 | Bacteria | nerds r 2 cool |
| 00:49.28 | Bacteria | get sum huge focals bro |
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| 00:53.54 | Bacteria | how do i do wilecarz |
| 00:54.12 | Bacteria | ktechmidas: |
| 00:54.42 | c|AFK|uego | are you an eliza? |
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| 00:55.42 | Bacteria | its zeros rite |
| 00:55.47 | Bacteria | 0.0. |
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| 00:58.46 | petn-randall | Great. I can reproducibly segfault irssi on wheezy-backports. :( |
| 00:59.20 | Devastator | time for strace & patches! :D |
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| 01:02.26 | Bacteria | omg |
| 01:02.31 | Bacteria | its teling me bad rules |
| 01:02.36 | Bacteria | error line 7 |
| 01:02.40 | Bacteria | wtg |
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| 01:05.32 | Bacteria | oh hahaha |
| 01:05.43 | Bacteria | iptables in not part of rule |
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| 01:08.05 | TiCPU | I'm currently on Debian Wheezy and I'm trying to set the process limit of a process (ulimit -p for dash/ulimit -u for bash), I added ulimit -u 21 || ulimit -p 21 at the top of the /etc/default/exim4 file, however, after starting the daemon, /proc/<pid>/limits shows unlimited, without setting ulimit -p I get 1861 and by setting ulimit -n I get the value I have set, is start-stop-daemon playing with ulimit -p ? |
| 01:08.38 | TiCPU | *the value I have set for -n |
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| 01:09.19 | rebauld | why not put it in the /etc/rc.local or is it just exim specific? |
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| 01:09.47 | TiCPU | I want the limit for exim only |
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| 01:10.10 | TiCPU | /etc/security/limits.conf does not seem to be applied to processes started by start-stop-daemon neither |
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| 01:10.58 | rebauld | only root can set it |
| 01:11.45 | TiCPU | /etc/default/exim4 is run by init which is root if I'm not mistaken |
| 01:12.08 | TiCPU | and only root can increase the limit, any user can decrease it |
| 01:12.57 | TiCPU | try in a shell ulimit -u 1 and you won't be able to use ls :) |
| 01:13.43 | pingfloyd | Why do you want to limit exim itself? |
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| 01:14.15 | pingfloyd | Usually you puts limits on users |
| 01:14.17 | TiCPU | to workaround the root cause which is a flaky upstream SMTP server which causes exim4 to go wild and spawn over 200 processes |
| 01:14.24 | teraflops | heh |
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| 01:15.02 | TiCPU | I tried setting queue_run_max = 3 in exim but I'm still insecure that it won't go wild |
| 01:15.25 | TiCPU | I have seen in ps output exim having 10 processes active with that setting |
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| 01:16.25 | TiCPU | what I *could* do to workaround this issue is to replace exim4 binary with a launcher script which sets ulimit but I hate having to replace system files |
| 01:16.28 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't worry about number of processes |
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| 01:16.47 | pingfloyd | Worry more about resources |
| 01:17.59 | TiCPU | hard to argue with that, however, you know how fun are fork bombs! what killed it what memory exhaustion, you're right |
| 01:18.10 | TiCPU | s/what/was/ |
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| 01:19.33 | Isai | Hi, I recently installed oidentd for my ZNC connections but it oidentd was corrupted (somehow) so I removed oidentd and tried to reinstall it, but this time when installing oidentd it gave me an error: Package oidentd is not available, but is referred toby another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been o |
| 01:19.33 | Isai | bsoleted, or |
| 01:19.33 | Isai | is only available from another source E: Package 'oidentd' has no installation candidate |
| 01:19.37 | TiCPU | well.. thinking twice, if I limit memory usage, the main process can fail to allocate memory and crash itself, however, if it can't spawn process, it will retry |
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| 01:20.22 | TiCPU | Isai, did you run apt-get update ? |
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| 01:20.30 | Isai | TiCPU: yes |
| 01:21.04 | Isai | Well, I get an error while updating |
| 01:21.05 | TiCPU | Isai, running Jessie? |
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| 01:22.26 | Isai | TiCPU, no, I'm running Wheezy |
| 01:22.32 | TiCPU | Isai: well, in fact, it is still available for Jessie, did you double-check your sources.list if you're not missing the main repo? |
| 01:22.47 | Isai | Ign http://packages.debian.org wheezy ReleaseE: GPG error: http://packages.debian.org wheezy Relea |
| 01:22.48 | Isai | se: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 N |
| 01:22.48 | Isai | ODATA 2 |
| 01:23.36 | TiCPU | Isai, the package is in universe, did you apt-get upgrade debian-keyring recently ? |
| 01:23.59 | Isai | no |
| 01:24.17 | TiCPU | Isai: that might be worthwhile, try upgrading it, apt-get update and try again |
| 01:24.31 | Isai | Ok I'll try it. |
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| 01:25.19 | TiCPU | since oidentd was corrupt, I would expect corruption elsewhere, for example, the APT keyring |
| 01:26.02 | Isai | It says keyring is the newest version |
| 01:26.04 | TiCPU | if it is up-to-date, use apt-get install --reinstall debian-keyring maybe apt-get clean first to make sure you get fresh packages |
| 01:26.13 | Isai | Ok |
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| 01:26.52 | Isai | Reinstallation of debian-keyring is not possible, itcannot be downloaded. |
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| 01:27.41 | TiCPU | Isai, wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-keyring/debian-keyring_2013.04.21_all.deb && dpkg -i debian-keyring_2013.04.21_all.deb |
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| 01:28.13 | TiCPU | it seems you're in a situation where you can't install anything since the keyring is corrupt |
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| 01:29.31 | Isai | ok, I reinstalled it |
| 01:29.40 | TiCPU | now apt-get update should work |
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| 01:30.35 | tracphil | anyone use preseeds to install Debian? |
| 01:30.45 | TiCPU | I'd check «dmesg | grep -i segfault» to see if nothing else important was corrupted, I would not trust that machine if it has important services running |
| 01:30.46 | Isai | I'm still getting the error Ign http://packages.debian.org wheezy ReleaseE: GPG error: http://packages.debian.org wheezy Relea |
| 01:30.46 | Isai | se: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 N |
| 01:30.47 | Isai | ODATA 2 |
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| 01:31.28 | otyugh | hey there. I'm on wheezy and iceweasel crash every time it oppens a fail that trigger the "open with or save as". Either choice result on a segmentation fault :s |
| 01:31.31 | teraflops | Isai: what mirror are you using? |
| 01:31.34 | TiCPU | Isai, I misread your URL, I think your sources.list is wrong |
| 01:31.44 | otyugh | *a file |
| 01:31.48 | Isai | hm |
| 01:31.57 | pingfloyd | TiCPU: this is probably what you want http://wiki.spry.com/Throttling_exim |
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| 01:32.06 | Isai | I think so |
| 01:32.22 | pingfloyd | TiCPU: this is probably what you want http://wiki.spry.com/Throttling_exim |
| 01:32.34 | jingojingo | hi everyone. i am on debian "wheezy", and my processor has one of those inbuilt Intel video cards (HD 4600) that I'd like my computer to recognize when I type something lspci -- now, i found the relevant debian page: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 01:32.37 | TiCPU | pingfloyd, I'll take a look |
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| 01:33.06 | TiCPU | Isai, if you want an easy way to generate these,, check out: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 01:33.18 | jingojingo | i'm just wondering if server-xorg-video-intel will do everything I need, or will I need the one from wheezy-backports? just not very sure |
| 01:33.57 | TiCPU | pingfloyd, deliver_queue_load_max sounds great, not a hard limit but would help in case of overload yes |
| 01:34.12 | jingojingo | because, as it stands right now, i have the xserver package, but still no recognition :( |
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| 01:34.52 | TiCPU | jingojingo, quoting you: «that I'd like my computer to recognize when I type something lspci» for this to work, update-pciids is the command |
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| 01:35.33 | TiCPU | jingojingo, no recognition or xserver not starting with the intel driver? |
| 01:35.35 | jingojingo | TiCPU: that's already up to date :) |
| 01:35.49 | simon | hi. I'd like to have the latest GHC installed, but preferrably most other things stable. how do I achieve this without creating versioning conflicts? |
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| 01:35.50 | jingojingo | TiCPU: no recognition when i check through lspci's output |
| 01:36.06 | TiCPU | I'm surprised, it must be very recent |
| 01:36.08 | jingojingo | TiCPU: not sure about what xserver is starting up with |
| 01:36.25 | simon | (also, I'd like to use the package manager for it, since apparently my VPS is so resource restricted that I can't easily compile GHC.) |
| 01:36.30 | jingojingo | TiCPU: haha, no, i had come across that somehwere else too |
| 01:37.12 | TiCPU | well I'll probably not be able to help, I'm using the U* distro for graphic enabled workstations |
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| 01:37.29 | jingojingo | ah, no problem |
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| 01:37.40 | jingojingo | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=110872 <-- according to that, i'll need the wheezy backports version |
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| 01:38.40 | ikus060 | Hello, I'm trying to install wheezy directly on btrfs, the installation of grub fail during installation (with wheezy 7.7) |
| 01:38.46 | ikus060 | Any tips on the subject ? |
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| 01:39.53 | TiCPU | ikus060, any /boot volume ? |
| 01:40.06 | phre4k | ikus060: don't use btrfs for grub /boot |
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| 01:40.24 | teraflops | ikus060: https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs |
| 01:40.41 | teraflops | look at the /boot part ikus060 |
| 01:40.41 | ikus060 | <TiCPU> <phre4k> why not. I do have a working installation with /boot on btrfs ... |
| 01:40.54 | Isai | Still, I can't install oidentd |
| 01:41.24 | TiCPU | ikus060, you'd need use grub-install -f to force embedding I think |
| 01:41.36 | phre4k | ikus060: it's just the simple way. If you want the hard way, modify the initramfs and tweak Grub or whatever. |
| 01:41.52 | TiCPU | Isai, same error on apt-get update ? |
| 01:41.58 | Isai | yes |
| 01:42.43 | Isai | Is this correct for my source.list deb http://packages.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 01:42.45 | TiCPU | Isai: so now what is your mirror, only paste the line starting with "deb" having "main" and "universe" in it |
| 01:42.58 | Isai | oh |
| 01:43.50 | TiCPU | Isai, you should have something looking like «deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main universe» |
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| 01:44.33 | Isai | I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib |
| 01:44.45 | TiCPU | Isai, exactly, universe is ubuntu, sorry, contrib is right |
| 01:44.57 | Isai | Ok |
| 01:45.48 | TiCPU | Isai, I prefer having wheezy instead of stable to prevent auto-magic dist-upgrade from happening |
| 01:46.04 | Isai | :/ |
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| 02:04.29 | jerichowasahoax | What is considered the "correct" way to uninstall systemd without uninstalling major components like udisks? I already have another init system installed and in use. |
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| 02:16.53 | aspect | jericho, perhaps http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/osd.html ? I haven't followed it but seems to look reasonable |
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| 02:20.43 | TiCPU | well, I was doomed to fail to set ulimit nproc on exim4, exim.c itself uses setrlimit and sets it to nothing less than infinity :( |
| 02:23.01 | TiCPU | the code allows for ulimit -u 1000 but no less |
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| 02:43.25 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Do the various SQL programs which came installed with Debian also come with GUI data editors? |
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| 02:44.16 | rebauld | are you wanting phpmyadmin or libreoffice |
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| 02:44.44 | Lady_Aleena | rebauld, Libre Office does SQL? |
| 02:44.52 | rebauld | sure |
| 02:45.02 | Lady_Aleena | In which program? |
| 02:45.06 | rebauld | even access ;) |
| 02:45.19 | Lady_Aleena | I loathe Access. |
| 02:46.05 | rebauld | sorry i took you for an access maniac .... -> http://www.libreoffice.org/discover/base/ |
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| 02:46.41 | Lady_Aleena | rebauld, I barely use LibreOffice. I only use Calc for my checkbook. I do almost everything else in a text editor. |
| 02:47.22 | Lady_Aleena | rebauld, I don't use SQL right now, though everybody is hitting me over the head with it. |
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| 02:47.55 | findme | Lady_Aleena, Tora |
| 02:48.02 | findme | Squirrel |
| 02:48.07 | Lady_Aleena | findme, Tora? |
| 02:48.27 | findme | SQL utility for linux. |
| 02:48.45 | Lady_Aleena | All I know about SQL is the files are binary, hence I can't edit the data in a text editor. |
| 02:49.09 | findme | Lady_Aleena, sql files should be in ascii. Something is missing. |
| 02:49.49 | Lady_Aleena | findme, then I misremembered something. The only thing I know about SQL is a lot of people seem to like it. |
| 02:49.55 | Miesco | Hi, my laptop stopped going to sleep when I close my lid after I rebooted. I think I rebooted into the new 3.18 kernel. Suggestions? |
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| 02:50.03 | Lady_Aleena | goes quiet. |
| 02:50.20 | rebauld_ | did you get it |
| 02:50.37 | rebauld_ | link to libreoffice base |
| 02:50.50 | rebauld_ | i'd use phpmyadmin though |
| 02:51.33 | Lady_Aleena | rebauld_, I haven't even built a SQL database yet. |
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| 02:52.06 | Lady_Aleena | This is getting a bit offtopic, so I will let it drop. |
| 02:52.15 | jm | Miesco: I experienced a similar issue recently when upgrading my system, because systemd took over that responsibility from acpid |
| 02:52.26 | jm | I'd suggest checking the settings in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 02:52.35 | Miesco | jm: Didn't they get rid of systemd? |
| 02:52.39 | jm | who? |
| 02:52.42 | Miesco | debian |
| 02:52.54 | jm | someone created a fork of debian that's systemd-free, but no one cares about it |
| 02:52.58 | findme | Lady_Aleena, Empires are built on SQL. |
| 02:53.02 | jm | I don't believe that debian themselves are getting rid of it |
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| 02:55.43 | Miesco | jm: Okay I changed the settings. How do I make them effective? |
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| 03:03.08 | Shadow_7 | Lady_Aleena: mysql does let you export it's database in a csv. aka comma separated values. which is importable to most spread sheet applications |
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| 03:04.39 | Shadow_7 | as far as systemd, my main gripe is that my ps output keeps getting longer for doing all of the same tasks on the same hardware. |
| 03:04.41 | Miesco | Is it possible to restart systemd without restarting the machine? |
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| 03:05.00 | rebauld_ | use mariadb instead of mysql ... just like iceweasel instead of firefox ... just like libreoffice in stead of openoffice ... just like gnash/html5 instead of flash |
| 03:05.19 | jm | Miesco: systemctl reload |
| 03:05.21 | Shadow_7 | pretty soon my ps output will tell a bedtime story and be a thousand pages. all of which could have been skipped in favor of a pillow |
| 03:05.56 | rebauld_ | Shadow_7: ps -efw | less ;) |
| 03:06.03 | Miesco | shawn$ systemctl reload |
| 03:06.08 | Miesco | Too few arguments. |
| 03:06.27 | Shadow_7 | htop output when a java app runs is almost entertaining... so many pid's |
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| 03:09.48 | Shadow_7 | rebauld_: ps -efw | wc -l ... 64, I remember when that was 25. I don't remember running 39 more apps than I currently am |
| 03:10.06 | Miesco | jm: What unit is the logind.conf? I have searched all of google and can not find. |
| 03:10.07 | Shadow_7 | or was... from a historical perspective |
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| 03:10.46 | rebauld_ | todays keyloggers/malware aren't as resource efficient as they use to be ;) |
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| 03:11.32 | jm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.26 | jm | systemd-logind.service is the unit but I don't think reloading the unit alone will work |
| 03:12.51 | Lady_Aleena | Shadow_7, I wasn't ignoring you, I was doing my physical therapy stretches when I started hearing beeps from my computer. That seems like a long way around to fix a typo in the data. |
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| 03:13.41 | somiaj | Miesco: what is it you are trying to achive by restarting systemd? Since it is the init process it might need a full machine restart if you want to restart the core process (though seems you may be able to reload config file or something as well). |
| 03:13.52 | Shadow_7 | Lady_Aleena: I used to be able to write SQL in my sleep, but the bits about modifying a field in the data escapes me atm |
| 03:14.24 | Shadow_7 | Lady_Aleena: although myphpadmin type stuff makes that SQL knowledge kind of moot |
| 03:14.33 | Miesco | jm: I did; 'systemctl restart systemd-logind.service` and it worked perfectly! |
| 03:14.35 | Miesco | thanks! |
| 03:14.38 | jm | cool |
| 03:14.42 | jm | np |
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| 03:15.01 | Lady_Aleena | Shadow_7, don't worry about it here, it is a tad offtopic. Also, I am about to go afk again for about 10 minutes to have cake and ice cream with hubby. |
| 03:15.14 | Miesco | somiaj: I edited /etc/systemd/logind.conf to allow my laptop to go into sustem upon lid close. |
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| 03:49.30 | rebauld_ | Lady_Aleena: don't forget there is #maria and #mysql |
| 03:49.50 | Lady_Aleena | rebauld_, I never knew they existed until now. |
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| 04:35.25 | MrTelephone | hey is there a coop against korea? I have a few gbs I can send their way |
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| 04:46.43 | someHuman | Hi! |
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| 04:47.26 | someHuman | I am trying to burn a DVD 64bit iso to my flash drive but this error keeps showing up: https://mediacru.sh/Jep2dGh4bhe3 |
| 04:47.37 | someHuman | I'm sure I got the right one for me. |
| 04:48.26 | someHuman | I downloaded the amd64 DVD by torrent. |
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| 05:09.37 | Wraith- | anyone know's API 4shared to download via terminal ? |
| 05:12.05 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 05:12.16 | SirLagz | someHuman: hi |
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| 05:13.02 | someHuman | SirLagz: I'm trying to burn an amd64 dvd iso to my flash drive (fat32) but this keeps on showing: https://mediacru.sh/Jep2dGh4bhe3 |
| 05:13.21 | someHuman | It keeps on failing with that message. |
| 05:13.39 | MrTelephone | try the net install instead |
| 05:13.47 | MrTelephone | what usb loader were you using? |
| 05:14.04 | someHuman | usb loader? |
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| 05:14.30 | MrTelephone | I use windows as my primary system, I always end up downloading some freeware crap to format and install the linux iso on my usb sticks |
| 05:14.54 | someHuman | ah |
| 05:15.06 | someHuman | I don't know about that usb loader. |
| 05:15.11 | someHuman | Ah |
| 05:15.20 | someHuman | You mean what I use ti burn the iso to stick? |
| 05:15.29 | MrTelephone | yeah |
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| 05:15.42 | MrTelephone | just try a different iso, maybe someone messed up the release |
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| 05:15.45 | someHuman | I use usb-creator-gtk |
| 05:15.46 | MrTelephone | ? |
| 05:15.52 | someHuman | Ugh! |
| 05:15.55 | MrTelephone | what? |
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| 05:16.08 | MrTelephone | I havn't had a netinstall fail me yet |
| 05:16.24 | someHuman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 05:16.39 | someHuman | I got the first amd64 dvd torrent there. |
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| 05:17.34 | someHuman | It does not only happen with that iso by the way, it also happens with Tails. |
| 05:17.41 | someHuman | I also downloaded it by torrent. |
| 05:17.57 | MrTelephone | do you have a windows machine to try it on? |
| 05:17.58 | SirLagz | someHuman: sorry, can you paste the link again |
| 05:17.59 | MrTelephone | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:18.09 | SirLagz | someHuman: to what you get |
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| 05:18.53 | someHuman | SirLagz: This is what I got: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 05:19.06 | someHuman | I also have a net int., same error. |
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| 05:19.23 | SirLagz | someHuman: what was the error ? |
| 05:19.33 | someHuman | https://mediacru.sh/Jep2dGh4bhe3 |
| 05:19.45 | MrTelephone | Invalid Linux Version "GNU/Linux" |
| 05:19.53 | MrTelephone | that's messed up |
| 05:20.12 | someHuman | I'm sure it's fucking compatible with my PC. |
| 05:20.22 | someHuman | That's fucked up. |
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| 05:20.34 | MrTelephone | go back a version? |
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| 05:20.49 | someHuman | That's fucked, ain't that stable? |
| 05:20.52 | SirLagz | someHuman: is that with the graphical installer ? |
| 05:20.59 | someHuman | I don't know. |
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| 05:21.10 | someHuman | It wasn't even installed to the flash yet. |
| 05:21.11 | MrTelephone | don't use graphical install |
| 05:21.41 | someHuman | I'm still trying to install the live Debian. |
| 05:21.43 | MrTelephone | it's not even on your usb stick but your installing from it? |
| 05:21.45 | MrTelephone | ohhhh |
| 05:21.50 | MrTelephone | I've never done that before |
| 05:21.55 | someHuman | No |
| 05:22.05 | SirLagz | someHuman: why are you trying to install live Debian ? |
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| 05:22.25 | MrTelephone | Once again I take the lazy way out and usually use knoppix |
| 05:22.45 | SirLagz | I rarely ever use live distros lol |
| 05:23.19 | someHuman | SirLagz: I'm going to install Debian on my system (to dual boot) from a stick, but I can't even install Debian to the stick to start with. |
| 05:23.31 | MrTelephone | live distros are really good for getting files off bad hard drives |
| 05:23.40 | SirLagz | someHuman: weren't you the person I said don't install live Debian to ? |
| 05:23.42 | someHuman | Yeah |
| 05:23.46 | SirLagz | right. |
| 05:23.48 | someHuman | SirLagz: I |
| 05:24.00 | someHuman | SirLagz: I'll end up with an installed Debian on my system. |
| 05:24.12 | SirLagz | someHuman: then don't install live Debian, just install normal Debian onto the USB stick |
| 05:24.38 | SirLagz | MrTelephone: I use a rescue os for that |
| 05:24.57 | SirLagz | MrTelephone: I consider 'Live' distros as Distros that are exactly the same as a Desktop distro, e.g. Debian Live, or Ubuntu |
| 05:25.56 | someHuman | I said "live" so I can have something to install a Debian on my system from. |
| 05:26.23 | someHuman | Basically, I want to end up with a Debian OS on my PC. |
| 05:26.33 | someHuman | So I could dual boot between Trisquel and Debian. |
| 05:26.34 | SirLagz | someHuman: are you dd-ing a debian Distro onto a USB stick ? |
| 05:26.50 | someHuman | SirLagz: I'm just using usb-creator-gtk |
| 05:27.03 | someHuman | The one that came with Trisquel. |
| 05:27.06 | SirLagz | someHuman: don't bother with that. |
| 05:27.20 | someHuman | So what do I do now? |
| 05:27.21 | SirLagz | someHuman: just grab the iso, and dd it to a USB stick, That will give you your bootable media |
| 05:27.34 | someHuman | Ok, will try. |
| 05:27.55 | SirLagz | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb <-- that will make a bootable USB |
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| 05:29.59 | someHuman | sudo dd if=*some_iso.iso* of=/dev/sdX |
| 05:30.00 | someHuman | right? |
| 05:30.32 | SirLagz | someHuman: yes. Make sure you use the right /dev/sdX device |
| 05:31.02 | someHuman | Yup |
| 05:31.04 | someHuman | Thanks! |
| 05:31.08 | someHuman | Hopefully this works. |
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| 05:35.51 | MrTelephone | imagine he uses his primary drive for the of |
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| 05:47.27 | someHuman | SirLagz: I think it worked. |
| 05:47.41 | someHuman | SirLagz: Ok, so how do I end up with a grub menu? |
| 05:47.52 | SirLagz | someHuman: what do you mean ? |
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| 05:48.09 | someHuman | Hopefully after I install Debian I'll end up with a menu that will let me choose between OSes. |
| 05:48.16 | someHuman | Sorry for my English. |
| 05:48.45 | SirLagz | someHuman: are you installing it onto a hard rive ? |
| 05:48.47 | SirLagz | drive* |
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| 05:48.53 | someHuman | Also, I want both KDE and GNOME for that Debian. |
| 05:48.55 | someHuman | Yup |
| 05:49.46 | SirLagz | you can install KDE and Gnome once it's installed |
| 05:49.54 | SirLagz | someHuman: is the drive blank ? |
| 05:50.04 | someHuman | Nope |
| 05:50.27 | someHuman | The drive I'm installing it to is the one I'm using to talk to you right now :) |
| 05:50.44 | someHuman | It only has Trisquel in it. |
| 05:50.48 | someHuman | Which is what I'm using. |
| 05:51.21 | SirLagz | does it have free space for Debian ? |
| 05:52.27 | someHuman | Yup |
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| 05:52.30 | someHuman | A lot |
| 05:52.38 | someHuman | Like 400+ GB |
| 05:52.48 | someHuman | But I'll only spare like 100 GB |
| 05:53.03 | DrakkenWarr | that is still plenty for linux |
| 05:53.11 | someHuman | Trisquel is my main system. |
| 05:53.19 | someHuman | Well it wouldn't hurt. |
| 05:54.22 | someHuman | SirLagz: Can I end up with KDE upon installing Debian? |
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| 05:54.40 | DrakkenWarr | anything is possible with debian, and KDE is easy to install |
| 05:54.43 | someHuman | SirLagz: GNOME's pretty boring IMHO. |
| 05:55.29 | someHuman | DrakkenWarr: What I mean is, can I instead end up with KDE instead of the default while installing Debian? |
| 05:55.45 | someHuman | So when I first boot Debian, I'll have KDE. |
| 05:55.57 | DrakkenWarr | I believe so depending on which ISO you downloaded |
| 05:56.15 | someHuman | I got the first DVD torrent here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 05:57.32 | someHuman | DrakkenWarr: Will I be able to with the iso that I have? |
| 05:58.13 | DrakkenWarr | hold a tick |
| 05:58.33 | someHuman | Ok I'm fine |
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| 05:58.42 | someHuman | Could you just give me the link? |
| 05:59.01 | someHuman | Where I can download the nonfree firmware for wifi card rt3290? |
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| 05:59.07 | someHuman | I have to go soon. |
| 05:59.12 | DrakkenWarr | http://distrowatch.com/search.php <- start list of available iso's that are debian based and come with a kde varient |
| 05:59.18 | someHuman | Thanks |
| 05:59.20 | someHuman | I'll note that. |
| 05:59.33 | DrakkenWarr | realtech card? |
| 05:59.44 | someHuman | DrakkenWarr: Realtek |
| 06:00.01 | someHuman | DrakkenWarr: 07:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe |
| 06:00.15 | DrakkenWarr | that will take a bit of leg work on your end, realtek solitutions are all over the net, especially for debian |
| 06:00.57 | someHuman | DrakkenWarr: I have done it before. |
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| 06:01.02 | DrakkenWarr | if you are staying with debian? Check the debian forums, the Crunchbang linux forums and the linuxquestions forums the answers are there.. Trust me, I have had to look them up myself |
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| 06:04.09 | someHuman | Often, someone would just link me the page. |
| 06:04.27 | someHuman | So I can set set up the nonfree wireless driver. |
| 06:04.37 | someHuman | Often, I add a repo in my sources.list |
| 06:04.57 | DrakkenWarr | not the way I roll someHuman. An old salt linux user from 1998. |
| 06:05.03 | someHuman | Ah |
| 06:05.10 | DrakkenWarr | I will give you the hints, up to you to find the answer |
| 06:05.16 | someHuman | Ok |
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| 06:05.47 | DrakkenWarr | I will help ya along the way when you do find the answers |
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| 07:02.47 | abailarri | Hello. What is the best format for compress in linux? |
| 07:03.38 | jeezy | i use xz but some use lzma |
| 07:04.03 | jeezy | or bzip2 w/e |
| 07:04.11 | abailarri | what is the best? |
| 07:04.29 | jeezy | i prefer xz |
| 07:04.30 | abailarri | I need to compress some web backup weekly |
| 07:04.46 | jeezy | other people may have a different opinion |
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| 07:06.04 | cafuego | abailarri: best for what? speed? compression? text? binary? |
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| 07:06.45 | abailarri | cafuego, compression |
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| 07:07.00 | abailarri | because in the server I not have much space |
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| 07:07.20 | cafuego | abailarri: something bz2 or newer then. BUT that costs more cpu cycles and possible a bit more ram, of course |
| 07:07.37 | abailarri | cafuego, this is no problem |
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| 07:09.53 | abailarri | cafuego, in your opinion, what is the best for my purpose? |
| 07:10.42 | cafuego | abailarri: I prefer bzip2 or gzip because they're usually installed on systems by default |
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| 07:20.33 | kanupatar | Can I get the download for "Debian GNU/Linux 7.6 (wheezy) platform OS" |
| 07:21.07 | kanupatar | any download links please |
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| 07:22.44 | dondelelcaro | kanupatar: www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 07:23.18 | jeezy | cafuego: yes gzip for life ; gz is where my nick came from lol |
| 07:23.28 | jeezy | cafuego: but most of my boxes have xz |
| 07:23.31 | jeezy | these days at least |
| 07:23.32 | jeezy | :) |
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| 07:25.46 | abailarri | jeezy, I tried with tar cfJ myfile.tar.xz * |
| 07:26.03 | abailarri | and it not do anything |
| 07:26.11 | kanupatar | dondelelcaro: didn't see the exact version wanted |
| 07:26.28 | kanupatar | 7.6 wheezy |
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| 07:28.22 | dondelelcaro | kanupatar: why exactly do you want that version? the only difference is some security updates. |
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| 07:28.50 | jeezy | abailarri: i do for example tar cf - blah/ | xz -zf - > blah.tar.xz |
| 07:29.06 | dondelelcaro | kanupatar: but anyway, see http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.6.0/ |
| 07:29.21 | jeezy | i need to try with debian to see but may not support the -J flag |
| 07:29.24 | abailarri | jeezy, all? |
| 07:29.24 | jeezy | using NetBSD without it |
| 07:29.51 | jeezy | abailarri: tar cf - blah/ | xz -zf - > blah.tar.xz just worked for me in OS X and NetBSD |
| 07:29.57 | jeezy | i dont have a debianbox up right now to test |
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| 07:30.13 | jeezy | abailarri: i usually dont use the J flag |
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| 07:32.36 | swordsmanz | RAWRRRR |
| 07:32.41 | jeezy | swordsmanz: ! |
| 07:32.44 | jeezy | hi bb |
| 07:33.06 | swordsmanz | o/ \o/ |
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| 07:33.41 | Flynnn | I have a question. I'm asking specifically about raspbian, but I figure debian will work the same. When I boot up my raspberry pi, I can ssh. This, as I understand, starts a new "shell". When I run a vnc server, as I understand it, this starts a "graphical shell". Here is where I am confused: If I hook up a monitor, and log in... what is that? Is that another graphical shell, and is it independent like all the other shells, or is it something special/unique? |
| 07:33.41 | Flynnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.05 | swordsmanz | jeezy i think this might help abailarri http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Basic-tar.html#SEC56 |
| 07:35.16 | abailarri | thanks! |
| 07:35.16 | jeezy | ty swordsmanz |
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| 07:35.25 | jeezy | swordsmanz: which compression format do you prefer? |
| 07:36.23 | swordsmanz | jeezy generally i just pick one at random o_o |
| 07:36.37 | jeezy | :) |
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| 07:36.42 | jeezy | swordsmanz: xz here |
| 07:36.50 | jeezy | swordsmanz: and of course gz for compat!!! LOL |
| 07:36.57 | jeezy | swordsmanz: get it ;) gz |
| 07:37.03 | swordsmanz | lmao |
| 07:37.04 | jeezy | :) |
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| 07:39.17 | SirLagz | Flynnn: VNC server is one X display, when you login, it's another X display |
| 07:39.49 | Flynnn | SirLagz: Is there any major difference? |
| 07:39.59 | SirLagz | Flynnn: difference to what ? |
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| 07:40.22 | Flynnn | SirLagz: between a login X display, and a vnc server X display? |
| 07:40.37 | SirLagz | Flynnn: nope |
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| 07:40.52 | SirLagz | Flynnn: besides the fact that one is over VNC and you sit in front of the other one |
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| 07:41.43 | Flynnn | SirLagz: Interesting! I assume, then, they can run at the same time? Could you, say, have ten different X displays under the same user at the same time? |
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| 07:42.31 | SirLagz | Flynnn: theoretically. They wouldn't be doing much on the Pi though. The Pi has enough difficulty with just one X display :P |
| 07:42.56 | Flynnn | SirLagz: haha, fair enough. So what is the difference between one of these X displays, and a simple SSH terminal session? |
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| 07:44.50 | SirLagz | Flynnn: ones text, ones graphical :) |
| 07:45.53 | Flynnn | SirLagz: Very cool! So I assume that the raspberry pi is just starting an X server whenever it boots up. Will closing this X server cause the system to shut down? specifically, will closing down all shells cause the system to shut down? (Is that what these things are called, shells?) |
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| 07:46.58 | SirLagz | Flynnn: X displays are the graphical displays. Shells are text displays |
| 07:47.12 | SirLagz | Flynnn: and no. Unless you explicitly tell the Pi to shut down, it won't shut down |
| 07:47.32 | SirLagz | Flynnn: and then (unless things have changed since I last looked at the Pi), you'll still need to manually power it off to shut down |
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| 07:47.41 | SirLagz | Flynnn: we should probably move this to the #raspberrypi channel |
| 07:47.52 | SirLagz | since this isn't debian related |
| 07:48.14 | Flynnn | SirLagz: perhaps my next question will be a bit more on topic |
| 07:48.25 | SirLagz | Flynnn: if it's about Raspbian, still not ontopic lol |
| 07:48.34 | Flynnn | SirLagz: It's linux in general, I think |
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| 07:48.43 | SirLagz | in that case, ##linux :) |
| 07:48.48 | Flynnn | See you there! |
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| 07:53.29 | groovestix | hey folks, can someone walk me through setting up a samba share on my Pi? I have connected an internal HDD to the Pi's USB port, and the drive is already automatically mounted on the Pi and I can access it properly. I just need help with permissions and user settings. |
| 07:54.21 | groovestix | (I have raspbian installed) |
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| 07:54.44 | SirLagz | groovestix: #raspbian will be happy to help you |
| 07:55.53 | groovestix | it's not really raspbian related, I only have samba questinos. |
| 07:57.26 | SirLagz | #samba ? |
| 07:57.33 | SirLagz | or you could ask and see if anyone can help |
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| 08:00.43 | savask | Hello. I found out that sometimes my Debian Wheezy system does a weird thing: when I shutdown my laptop, it shows me usual shutdown process but actually doesn't turn off. During the night it runs a cron job, connects to wi-fi, idles for some time and then crashes cause of battery discharging. last -x shows "crash" that day. How can I fix that problem? Maybe it's a known issue? |
| 08:02.03 | nkuttler | savask: i have noticed that since i installed systemd shutdown doesn't power off any more, which should be the default according to the manpage |
| 08:02.12 | nkuttler | oh, never mind.... wheezy |
| 08:03.12 | savask | I think I had to add some exceptions to be able to run shutdown as a usual user. |
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| 08:13.37 | sunkawakan | hi all, now trying to install debian from some IDE flash disk to another on a via c7, but got the infamous "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" error. any idea on what should I do to debug this? |
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| 08:15.46 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: I had to install debian from a USB stick on my Via C7 |
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| 08:16.32 | babilen | sunkawakan: How did you write it? |
| 08:16.51 | sunkawakan | Sir_Designer, tried that, but seems that none of the options on the bios could boot that stick. my laptop boot it just fine. |
| 08:17.00 | sunkawakan | maybe i should try with another usb stick |
| 08:17.05 | sunkawakan | using unetbooting |
| 08:17.27 | sunkawakan | with a CF-USB adapter |
| 08:17.49 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: are you booting from a USB stick or from CF Card ? |
| 08:17.51 | sunkawakan | now installed on the motherboard using IDE-CF adapters |
| 08:18.01 | sunkawakan | now from the CF card |
| 08:18.08 | sunkawakan | tried before with the usb stick |
| 08:18.17 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: How did you create the bootable USB stick ? |
| 08:18.32 | babilen | sunkawakan: unetbootin is known to break out installers (but a non-broken one doesn't help you if you cannot even boot it to begin with) |
| 08:18.33 | sunkawakan | using unetbootin and a CF-USB adapter |
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| 08:20.36 | sunkawakan | btw, the usb stick worked fine as i was able to install and run debian on the CF using my laptop as install machine (but it fail to boot on the via for some reason) |
| 08:20.50 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: do you still have the USB stick that worked ? |
| 08:20.54 | sunkawakan | yes |
| 08:21.07 | sunkawakan | but worked only on my laptop |
| 08:21.14 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: IIRC, the USB boot option is hidden behind 'hard drive' and then you need to select the right 'hard drive' to boot from, in which case it would be the 'usb stick hard drive' |
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| 08:21.47 | sunkawakan | tried "USB hard disk", hd0, hd1, hd2, hd3, USB-anything |
| 08:21.59 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: hmm ok |
| 08:22.09 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: not sure then, Not at home at the moment |
| 08:22.24 | sunkawakan | ok, thank you SirLagz |
| 08:22.39 | sunkawakan | will try with another usb stick |
| 08:22.45 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: if you're still here in a few hours time, I'll have a look at my VIA box |
| 08:22.56 | sunkawakan | ohhh, yes |
| 08:23.00 | sunkawakan | I'll be here |
| 08:23.06 | sunkawakan | thank you very much |
| 08:23.10 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: no problems |
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| 08:26.51 | babilen | sunkawakan: And please don't use unetbootin as it is likely to cause you problems later |
| 08:27.38 | sunkawakan | what should I use instead? |
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| 08:28.27 | bazhang | the debian iso is hybrid? |
| 08:28.42 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: dd the iso onto a USB stick |
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| 08:28.52 | bazhang | cheers |
| 08:29.21 | sunkawakan | ok, thanks SirLagz |
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| 08:29.40 | sunkawakan | bazhang, the iso file used is debian-7.7.0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 08:29.56 | sunkawakan | I don't know what a hybrid iso is |
| 08:30.14 | sunkawakan | ok, now got it |
| 08:30.42 | bazhang | allows a dd, like that and still be bootable, in short |
| 08:30.43 | babilen | sunkawakan: Just copy it, "cp /path/to/the.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" (assuming /dev/sdb is your USB drive, check in dmesg after plugging it in) would do nicely. dd is suboptimal as it is slower by default and has a weird syntax. (and then you'd use dcfldd anyway) |
| 08:31.11 | bazhang | even a cat would work, correct? |
| 08:31.32 | sunkawakan | ohh never thought that method, seems a nice way |
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| 08:32.14 | babilen | bazhang: Sure, but cat would have problems if people invoke that command with sudo and don't know how to scope it correctly. A "sudo cat /path/to/the.iso > /dev/sdb" wouldn't work as the redirect is not being performed with superuser privileges. |
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| 08:33.13 | babilen | And then you still introduce additional line noise with ">" that you can do without. I am also not too sure about cat's blocksize scaling (as opposed to cp (which does it) or *dd (which doesn't)) |
| 08:33.30 | bazhang | babilen, sure, I just think it's nifty, after all the years of putting up with unetbootin that it's even possible. I appreciate the cp command above, thanks! |
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| 08:34.06 | babilen | np |
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| 08:34.23 | babilen | sunkawakan: Everything is a file, you just copy data from a to b ;) |
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| 08:34.59 | bazhang | just out of curiousity, what is the command to ask dpkg about 'remaster' |
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| 08:36.27 | babilen | bazhang: "/msg dpkg remaster" (which will send user "dpkg" (i.e. the bot) a private message with the content "remaster" to which the bot will respond) |
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| 08:38.43 | bazhang | the bot doesnt know |
| 08:39.12 | babilen | Then there is no such factoid, why do you think that there should be? |
| 08:40.19 | bazhang | typically people without good inet access hand out cloned dvd's whatever to friends, ones that have been remastered |
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| 08:58.17 | sunkawakan | SirLagz, babilen, bazhang: now using a different usb stick created with the "cp iso /dev/sdb" method and it works! :D Thank you |
| 08:59.45 | babilen | \o/ |
| 08:59.56 | babilen | blames unetbootin (once again) |
| 09:00.34 | sunkawakan | unetbootin? never again (unless really needed) |
| 09:00.53 | sunkawakan | well, I guess that never is really needed |
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| 09:01.50 | ChrisH | I somehow managed to remove the menu from my konsole terminal. How-to get it back without starting a new window? |
| 09:02.13 | suggestor | alt + F3? |
| 09:02.53 | suggestor | ctrl + shift + F10? |
| 09:03.53 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: nice |
| 09:04.13 | ChrisH | suggestor: ctrl + shift + F10 did it. Thanks!! |
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| 09:06.51 | SavKobani | hi |
| 09:07.01 | suggestor | hi |
| 09:07.34 | SavKobani | my laptop had an unexpected sleep or somethign because the power was disconnected from it and the battery went to 0 i think. well, now when i boot up i do not see x11, i just see console, and startx doesn't start it because it isn't found |
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| 09:08.46 | suggestor | are u sure it isn't still sleeping? or did u reboot completely? Try to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:09.33 | ChrisH | SavKobani: is your goal getting the system back to work ASAP or do you want to find out what happened/happens? |
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| 09:10.45 | gerforce | hello, are there any network environment simulators that can be used for learning purpose in Linux? |
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| 09:12.09 | SavKobani | is there a way to turn off beeps? |
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| 09:12.26 | JNixx | gerforce: What do you mean by "network environment"? Like a router, firewall and a few clients? If that's the case you could use a virtualization tool to create such an environment. |
| 09:12.36 | SavKobani | ChrisH, i just want to get it back to the way it was |
| 09:12.53 | SavKobani | can i do a apt-get uninstall something and reinstall? |
| 09:13.15 | SirLagz | SavKobani: apt-get purge it and then apt-get install it |
| 09:13.25 | SirLagz | wait never mind |
| 09:13.27 | SavKobani | what is the name of the package? |
| 09:13.27 | SirLagz | I misread |
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| 09:13.31 | SavKobani | oh |
| 09:13.35 | ychaouche | Hello |
| 09:13.59 | babilen | JNixx: gns3 |
| 09:14.18 | ychaouche | I can connect to courier on port 143 but not on port 993, even though netstat shows that 993 is a listened port. |
| 09:14.26 | ychaouche | Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this ? |
| 09:14.34 | JNixx | babilen: What is gns3? |
| 09:14.49 | SirLagz | network emulator IIRC |
| 09:14.59 | ychaouche | https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/91ffdde225c0131a2547 |
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| 09:15.16 | xand | ychaouche: that shows you did connect |
| 09:15.27 | xand | ychaouche: if you want to test the connection though, use openssl not telnet |
| 09:15.33 | ychaouche | xand: right, only to be immediately disconnected by foreign host |
| 09:15.57 | xand | like this: openssl s_client -connect localhost:993 |
| 09:16.02 | ychaouche | xand: openssl gives discouraging results (paste in a moment) |
| 09:16.02 | babilen | gerforce: gns3 |
| 09:16.08 | babilen | JNixx: Sorry, ENICK |
| 09:16.16 | sunkawakan | SirLagz, I think that found out why it fails while trying to boot the via c7 with a debian installed using my laptop. The via c7 needs a 486 kernel and when installed using my laptop puts a 686 one. |
| 09:16.30 | xand | change localhost to the ip address obv. |
| 09:16.36 | ychaouche | https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/f95aa185872824836639 |
| 09:16.36 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: I would think the C7 would be able to use the 686 one... |
| 09:16.39 | JNixx | babilen: Looks good, I might check it out :) |
| 09:16.43 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: which C7 is this ? |
| 09:17.01 | gerforce | JNixx: yes, i mean the virtual networking environment with topology which i can decide with no actual network devices |
| 09:17.01 | gerforce | JNixx:virtualization tools? like virtual box? |
| 09:17.15 | sunkawakan | let me see SirLagz... |
| 09:17.21 | SavKobani | ChrisH, how can i reset it to the same? |
| 09:17.25 | SirLagz | gerforce: have a look at GNS3 like babilen said |
| 09:17.27 | ychaouche | here's an strace of the network system calls https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/5efa8e1b380f2903e6e8 |
| 09:17.41 | sunkawakan | SirLagz, VIA Samuel 2 |
| 09:18.03 | SirLagz | googles |
| 09:18.13 | intx | I screwed up my debian lenny to squeeze upgrade by not installing dpkg/apt first, how do I fix it? |
| 09:18.19 | SirLagz | ah it's a C3 and not a C7 |
| 09:18.30 | gerforce | babilen: thanks. i am on it. |
| 09:18.39 | gerforce | SirLagz: :) |
| 09:18.43 | sunkawakan | ohhh :) |
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| 09:18.59 | JNixx | gerforce: If you want to actually build a network with live clients then virtualbox is a nice free way to do it. |
| 09:19.02 | SirLagz | sunkawakan: never used a C3, so maybe it does need a i386 or i486 kernel |
| 09:19.03 | xand | ychaouche: use the p option to netstat to check what program is using that port, and also check courier's logs? |
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| 09:19.50 | sunkawakan | flags: fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow |
| 09:19.56 | babilen | intx: That shouldn't have been necessary. You were only asked to upgrade the kernel and udev beforehand (cf. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev ) |
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| 09:20.08 | sunkawakan | no cmov :( |
| 09:20.27 | ychaouche | netstat -planet https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/d6201c8bfacab733e9f6 |
| 09:20.39 | ychaouche | couriertcpd |
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| 09:21.14 | babilen | intx: So in order to help you we would need more information. I would, however, like to suggest a new install of wheezy at this point as you will have to upgrade to that anyway. Depending on the configuration of that box it might be easier/faster to go that route (or not, in which case: pray continue) |
| 09:21.27 | SavKobani | i guess i'll reinstall debian |
| 09:21.31 | gerforce | JNixx: i am actually working on network. virtual box may be concentrate on it enough. I will look at gns3 as other guys mentioned. Thanks for replying.:) |
| 09:21.47 | babilen | intx: You will have to upgrade to jessie soon(ish) as well, so there is that to keep in mind. Quite late to the game :) |
| 09:22.00 | gerforce | JNixx: /s/may/maynot |
| 09:22.08 | babilen | gerforce: Is gns3 not to your liking? |
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| 09:22.54 | intx | yeah ssystem seems quite broken anyway, I think I will just do that |
| 09:23.17 | ychaouche | After telnet, I get this in the logs : Dec 23 10:22:26 messagerie imapd-ssl: couriertls: /etc/courier/imapd.pem: error:0906D066:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:bad end line |
| 09:23.26 | ychaouche | I'll try with openssl |
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| 09:24.11 | gerforce | babilen: i don't know about gns3 before. But according to the front page of gdn3 i am working on, i think it is the right call |
| 09:24.17 | ychaouche | idem |
| 09:24.30 | ChrisH | SavKobani: To get the box up again quickest, _I_ would poweroff by pressing the powerbutton until it switches off and boot up again. |
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| 09:24.47 | ychaouche | I guess this is a certification/key problem. I don't really know how SSL works I need to investigate this. |
| 09:25.10 | ychaouche | thanks xand for helping me out figuring out what seems to be the source of my problems :) |
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| 09:39.39 | suggestor | does anyone here uses lxc under wheezy and managed to get sid running as container? I always get: Failed to mount tmpfs at /dev/shm: No such file or directory |
| 09:40.10 | suggestor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.04 | tremon | suggestor: do containers share the filesystem namespace or do they have their own root? /run is a tmpfs as well, so maybe the /run/shm doesn't exist inside it |
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| 09:55.23 | suggestor | they have own rootfs, btw. wheezy runs regardless |
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| 09:58.26 | tremon | yeah but wheezy has tried and tested init scripts. Your sid install uses systemd, which may react differently. You could maybe ask in #debian-next or #debian-systemd on oftc |
| 09:58.44 | veek | help aid assist, in X, when i click at x,y the menu opens elsewhere on screen |
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| 09:58.49 | veek | how do i fix it |
| 09:59.14 | suggestor | tremon: so u mean problem more belongs to sid container? |
| 09:59.17 | suggestor | not my host system? |
| 09:59.37 | veek | this in Xorg with no KDE/Gnome |
| 10:00.04 | tremon | suggestor: I think so, yes. Can you test a wheezy container to verify? |
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| 10:00.21 | suggestor | tremon: wheezy container runs without problems. |
| 10:01.07 | sunkawakan | did a wheezy network-less install on a via c3. after first boot, configured sources.list and network and did an aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 10:01.23 | sunkawakan | Now I cannot install openssh-server because it ask for a exact openssh-client version and got a newer one. |
| 10:02.13 | sunkawakan | removed openssh-client and now it wont install again because unmet dependencies :( |
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| 10:02.25 | suggestor | btw. tremon doing wheezy -> dist-upgrade crashes whole system because it seems to use something from host. So maybe systemd is a good start where to look. |
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| 10:02.58 | suggestor | what is that dpkg command for apt troubleshooting? |
| 10:03.05 | nkuttler | !tell sunkawakan about bat |
| 10:03.22 | sunkawakan | thanks nkuttler |
| 10:03.43 | sunkawakan | what is bat? |
| 10:03.52 | nkuttler | sunkawakan: read the msg the bot sent you |
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| 10:04.04 | sunkawakan | ohhh ok thank you |
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| 10:05.17 | tremon | suggestor: dpkg command for apt troubleshooting? No idea what you're thinking of there |
| 10:05.52 | suggestor | that was for nkuttler sunkawakan question |
| 10:05.53 | sunkawakan | nkuttler, i cannot copy/paste the commands i already run :( |
| 10:06.09 | nkuttler | sunkawakan: just run them again? |
| 10:06.22 | nkuttler | sunkawakan: or just the one you have a problem with.. |
| 10:06.23 | tremon | suggestor: ah, nvm |
| 10:06.23 | sunkawakan | but it will show different output |
| 10:06.30 | sunkawakan | ok |
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| 10:07.27 | suggestor | #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited oO |
| 10:07.37 | tremon | suggestor: it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:07.42 | suggestor | oh noez |
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| 10:22.24 | sunkawakan | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/137822/ |
| 10:24.29 | nkuttler | ,v libedit2 |
| 10:24.30 | judd | Package: libedit2 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11-20080614-2; wheezy: 2.11-20080614-5; sid: 3.1-20140620-2; jessie: 3.1-20140620-2 |
| 10:24.46 | nkuttler | sunkawakan: you should probably just run aptitude update again |
| 10:25.02 | nkuttler | sounds like you haven't done that in a while |
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| 10:25.42 | sunkawakan | is a recently installed system |
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| 10:25.49 | sunkawakan | but the installation was without network |
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| 10:26.01 | nkuttler | sunkawakan: also paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:26.44 | sunkawakan | because have ipv6 on the LAN and debian.security.org have ipv6 address but no webserver reachable via ipv6 |
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| 10:28.25 | sunkawakan | nkuttler, sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/137824/ |
| 10:28.48 | nkuttler | !tell sunkawakan about wheezy sources.list |
| 10:28.53 | nkuttler | sunkawakan: yours are incomplete |
| 10:29.29 | sunkawakan | ohh I see, thanks! |
| 10:29.30 | Dagger | Host debian.security.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) <-- has no v4 server either |
| 10:29.42 | nkuttler | yeah, using the right host helps |
| 10:29.47 | Dagger | Connecting to security.debian.org (security.debian.org)|2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb|:80... connected. <-- this one works fine for me though |
| 10:29.59 | nkuttler | this is #debian, not ##security ;) |
| 10:30.18 | sunkawakan | I got this address 2001:610:1908:b000::148:14 |
| 10:30.30 | sunkawakan | let me fix the sources.list |
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| 10:31.37 | Dagger | that one also seems to work |
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| 10:32.06 | Dagger | (although both of these servers are just giving 302 redirects to www.debian.org, which doesn't have v6, but I'm sort of assuming that if you hit the right URL then it won't do that) |
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| 10:33.54 | sunkawakan | i should have copy/pasted the sources.list. just "transcribed" what i was seeing on the screen and typed that host incorrectly |
| 10:34.08 | sunkawakan | using security.debian.org |
| 10:34.21 | sunkawakan | now doing the update, it could take a while on this ancient hardware |
| 10:35.10 | sunkawakan | the workaround I'm using to deal with the ipv6 mirror problems is to add some of their ipv4 address to /etc/hosts |
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| 10:36.23 | sunkawakan | what channel should i use to report security.debian.org ipv6 problems? |
| 10:37.25 | sunkawakan | nkuttler, thank you! now openssh-server is installing |
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| 10:39.57 | sunkawakan | Dagger, you are right it. but for some reason that redirect do not work on ipv6 with apt-get or "wget -6" |
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| 10:40.48 | Dagger | it shouldn't be redirecting on actual packages though |
| 10:40.50 | Dagger | e.g. http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/a/a2ps/a2ps_4.14-1.1+deb6u1_amd64.deb |
| 10:40.54 | tga | hello |
| 10:41.46 | tga | when using virtual volumes in something like aws or openstack what would I lose by doing a mkfs directly on the device instead of partitioning them? |
| 10:41.54 | sunkawakan | Dagger, i think that it should redirect to http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/ |
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| 10:42.46 | sunkawakan | Dagger, anyway, something seems wrong |
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| 10:45.15 | Vroomfondle | i5um41ru: apt-get install default-jdk |
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| 11:02.15 | ychaouche | Fixed. For future generations reading this channel's log (if any), here's the solution to the "0906D066:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:bad end line error" problem http://ychaouche.wikispot.org/CertificateError |
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| 11:03.08 | debian_uzer | cant solve following error in jessie: |
| 11:03.11 | debian_uzer | [ 816.151520] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied |
| 11:03.29 | debian_uzer | using |
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| 11:03.41 | debian_uzer | bumblebee |
| 11:10.25 | sunkawakan | Dagger, do "wget -6 www.debian.org" works for you? |
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| 11:10.58 | Dagger | no, there's no AAAA record on www.debian.org |
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| 11:11.26 | jhuebner | not true |
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| 11:11.56 | jhuebner | just because your dns server does not deliver does not mean it does not have one |
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| 11:12.49 | Dagger | _debian.org's_ nameservers don't deliver me one |
| 11:13.20 | sunkawakan | mmm... I got an AAAA record for www.debian.org |
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| 11:13.52 | jhuebner | i'd ask the authoritative ones |
| 11:13.53 | Dagger | ...hm. ok, geo1.debian.org and geo2.debian.org don't, but geo3.debian.org does |
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| 11:15.03 | sunkawakan | always got the same 2 addresses: 2001:610:1908:b000::148:14 and 2001:41c8:1000:21::21:4 |
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| 11:16.13 | pederindi | a question, why proxmox is not included in debian? it use a OpenVZ kernel and this is discarded by debian project? |
| 11:16.16 | jhuebner | all geo[1-3] give me AAAA records |
| 11:16.21 | pederindi | but also do KVM management, no? |
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| 11:16.56 | Dagger | jhuebner: debian1.dnsnode.net. dns1.easydns.com. sec1.rcode0.net. dns4.easydns.info. sec2.rcode0.net. <-- none of these servers give AAAA records either |
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| 11:19.57 | jhuebner | i don't see why these are relevant |
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| 11:20.24 | Dagger | because they're the servers in the glue for the domain? |
| 11:21.33 | suggestor | tremon: chrooting into sid container and installing sysvinintcore (replacing systemd) works :) |
| 11:21.40 | jhuebner | they don't even give A records.. |
| 11:22.00 | Dagger | or is www a... ok, it's a separate zone |
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| 11:24.27 | Dagger | ok, in that case we'll stick with geo{1,2,3}.debian.org, and only one of those is serving me AAAA records over v6 |
| 11:24.35 | Dagger | however! if I query over v4, suddenly they all do |
| 11:25.23 | tremon | suggestor: thanks for the followup. Are the systemd maintainers aware/working on a solution? |
| 11:25.44 | suggestor | well lxc seems to be. :) |
| 11:27.58 | HibernateStump | ok this is bugging me passwordless sftp, 1 create user 2 generate keys 3 add to authorixzed_keys, 4 test using ssh, its not chrooted so no need to amend sshd_config |
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| 11:30.40 | ChrisH | HibernateStump: are you asking a question or offereing a how-to suggestion? |
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| 11:32.14 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: Hi :-) yes its a question, and the steps I have taken and yet cannot login without prompting for password... sorry didnt make that clear |
| 11:32.31 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: am I missing something...? |
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| 11:33.03 | ChrisH | HibernateStump: I asked the bot to provide some information about asking good questions. |
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| 11:34.07 | HibernateStump | ok, I wanted to show my workings didnt want to be someone who hasnt tested |
| 11:34.12 | HibernateStump | ok, I wanted to show my workings didnt want to be someone who hasnt tested it |
| 11:34.35 | Vroomfondle | HibernateStump: what are the permissions of ~/.ssh and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 11:34.35 | ChrisH | HibernateStump: you can run ssh -v user@host and sftp -v user@host and paste the output on paste.debian.net. It would be very helpfull to have the corresponding lines from the servers auth.log on the same paste. |
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| 11:37.12 | HibernateStump | ok ssh -v user@host = works sftp , SFTP = doesnt work |
| 11:37.31 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: Pasting |
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| 11:39.50 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/137834/ |
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| 11:41.23 | ChrisH | HibernateStump: the server does not accept the key, check server's auth.log. Dunno where RHEL has it. |
| 11:41.54 | Vroomfondle | HibernateStump: did you check the permissions? That's a very common problem |
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| 11:42.28 | ChrisH | Vroomfondle: then ssh should also not work, shouldn't it? |
| 11:42.47 | Vroomfondle | ah, yes, good point. I'd missed that bit. |
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| 11:43.00 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: Vroomfondle perms all checked.... will check the auth.log |
| 11:43.28 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: Vroomfondle thanks anyway, will continue to investigate |
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| 11:46.30 | tremon | if it's an old redhat version (or they're still braindead), try putting it in .ssh/authorized_keys2 or symlinking that to authorized_keys |
| 11:46.48 | tremon | maybe sftp still looks in the old location |
| 11:47.12 | HibernateStump | tremon: thanks will check that :-) |
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| 11:52.03 | ChrisH | From paste it's RHEL 5 |
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| 11:52.54 | tremon | I see, and it's openssh 4.3, which is well past where authorized_keys2 was deprecated |
| 11:53.39 | tremon | still, can't think of another reason why the server would offer but not accept a publickey that works for ssh |
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| 11:55.21 | i5um41ru | thanks Vroomfondle :) |
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| 11:59.54 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: Vroomfondle perms all checked.... will check the auth.logq! |
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| 12:05.40 | hassoon_ | whenever i run a gpu-stress-tool thing i endup in the closure of the later wit ha fail and this kind of report http://paste.debian.net/137836/ :s |
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| 12:05.51 | hassoon_ | *with a fail* |
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| 12:18.30 | nyuszika7h | is it possible to add some sort of hook to run apt-file update after I do apt-get/aptitude update? |
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| 12:25.13 | SavKobani | hi |
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| 12:25.14 | SavKobani | i try to do apt-get install virtualbox , but it says "media change: please insert disc labeled debian lxde cd binary into /media/cdrom" |
| 12:25.16 | SavKobani | something like that |
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| 12:26.00 | iveevue | For some reason iceweasel keeps telling me that the adobe flash plugin is out of date, but wont find updates when I ask it to (mozilla site says the plugin is up to date). This started happening a few weeks ago after an update to (i think) iceweasel. Is there any way to stop it asking all the time? |
| 12:26.17 | iveevue | SavKobani, Do you have remote repositories added to sources.list? |
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| 12:28.58 | jelly | iveevue: alrighty then, instead of --status put in --install |
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| 12:29.05 | iveevue | Ok, thanks |
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| 13:01.13 | someHuman | hi |
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| 13:01.27 | hassoon_ | Sir_Designer: helo son. |
| 13:01.32 | hassoon_ | *hello* |
| 13:01.43 | someHuman | how do i use the nonfree driver of RT3290 Ralink wireless card? |
| 13:02.00 | someHuman | My wireless isn't Free Software compatible so I have to use the nonfree one. |
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| 13:02.40 | someHuman | Often, people would just link me to the page where there are steps on how to accomplish setting up the wireless nonfree firmware. |
| 13:02.49 | someHuman | Can someone link that page to me? :) |
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| 13:03.30 | someHuman | I think I found it: https://wiki.debian.org/rt3290 |
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| 13:07.04 | someHuman | How do I choose a network mirror for so the Debian DVD can be supplemented? |
| 13:07.19 | someHuman | I skipped the network mirror part during installation for some lazy reason. |
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| 13:08.00 | peopleone | someHuman: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 13:17.31 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: Vroomfondle Fixed it... |
| 13:17.38 | HibernateStump | ChrisH: Vroomfondle Fixed it... |
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| 13:18.26 | HibernateStump | 2 hours of time, in the end moved everything out of the way and recreated .ssh and then ssh-keygen |
| 13:18.42 | HibernateStump | prior i had just moved the keys to a directory in .ssh |
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| 13:19.33 | someHuman | hi! |
| 13:19.49 | someHuman | How do I add a network mirror for me to get my software from? |
| 13:20.07 | someHuman | I skipped the step of choosing a network mirror in installation. |
| 13:20.20 | HibernateStump | someHuman: is this an internal or external? |
| 13:20.24 | jelly | someHuman: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:20.37 | jelly | someHuman: which debian release did you install? |
| 13:21.08 | someHuman | Wheezy? |
| 13:21.15 | someHuman | What's the command to check? |
| 13:21.28 | someHuman | I know I have the latest stable because I simply got the amd64 DVD torrent. |
| 13:21.40 | someHuman | Didn't check or went back versions. |
| 13:22.00 | jhuebner | all your questions are solvable with a wee bit of googling |
| 13:22.29 | someHuman | Yup |
| 13:22.36 | jelly | !tell someHuman about wheezy sources.list |
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| 13:22.51 | someHuman | jhuebner: Yeah sorry about that, I found out that it's wheezy |
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| 13:23.22 | someHuman | jelly: http://codepad.org/kECf3nVg |
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| 13:26.33 | someHuman | jelly: Thanks for that! |
| 13:27.26 | someHuman | I have two security repos, one is main contrib, which I believe is nonfree. |
| 13:27.48 | someHuman | Maybe is because I am using nonfree driver for my wireless to work? |
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| 13:30.03 | abrotman | someHuman: you can use paste.debian.net to show us |
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| 13:31.05 | someHuman | abrotman: http://codepad.org/i0pVw4uT |
| 13:31.19 | abrotman | almost like paste.debian.net ... |
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| 13:32.16 | abrotman | someHuman: line 13 is unneeded |
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| 13:35.01 | someHuman | What |
| 13:35.14 | someHuman | abrotman: What's the difference between 7 and 13? |
| 13:35.29 | abrotman | someHuman: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 13:36.03 | someHuman | abrotman: Not gettting any message? |
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| 13:36.36 | abrotman | Yes, you are, you need to find it |
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| 13:37.31 | someHuman | I don't see any prompts here in my IRC window. |
| 13:37.41 | abrotman | Okay, I'll wait for you to find it |
| 13:38.14 | someHuman | Ah |
| 13:38.25 | someHuman | So contrib covers for both repos right? |
| 13:38.30 | abrotman | both? |
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| 13:38.36 | abrotman | !reference |
| 13:38.37 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: «aptitude install debian-reference» |
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| 13:42.55 | kristijonas | I googled and I read that the main difference between purging and removing package is that purge also deletes config files. Is that right? |
| 13:43.09 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:44.57 | kristijonas | abrotman, i tried to 'apt-get remove --purge openvpn', and I got 'dpkg: warning: while removing openvpn, directory '/etc/openvpn' not empty so not removed' of course it is not empty, that's why I want to delete it. |
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| 13:45.49 | abrotman | kristijonas: is there an openvpn-common ? |
| 13:46.06 | metallic | apt-get remove --purge openvpn equals apt-get purge openvpn? :/ |
| 13:46.06 | gerforce | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyqt/files/sip/sip-4.16.4/sip-4.16.4.tar.gz Can anybody reach this site? I couldn't reach it. I want to know if it's the issue of my networking environment. |
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| 13:47.33 | jhuebner | it's working, gerforce, but you'll probably not end up with a valid file when downloading via wget |
| 13:47.33 | kristijonas | abrotman, dpkg-query: no packages found matching openvpn-common |
| 13:47.52 | hassoon_ | now i feel like i'm starting to know the core of my gpu's issue, whenever i start a 3D game/application, i get this error message(s) |
| 13:47.58 | hassoon_ | http://paste.debian.net/137848/ |
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| 13:48.18 | gerforce | jhuebner: i couldn't reach it from browser. |
| 13:48.28 | abrotman | kristijonas: it's also possible that not all files in that directory are owned by a package .. what files are still in that directory? |
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| 13:49.26 | kristijonas | abrotman, static.key and tun0.conf, I created them manually under /etc/openvpn |
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| 13:49.57 | gerforce | jhuebner: It prompts that the connection was reset. Can you download the fileï¼ |
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| 13:51.32 | antranigv | hay everyone, I have a debian server, how can I create self-signed certificate for https ? |
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| 13:53.00 | kristijonas | antranigv, this worked out for me http://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_test_certificate.html |
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| 13:53.29 | jhuebner | gerforce: yes, it downloaded fine |
| 13:53.39 | antranigv | kristijonas: thanks! |
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| 13:54.26 | gerforce | jhuebner: can i PM you ? |
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| 13:58.48 | abrotman | kristijonas: right, so the package doesn't own them, so the directory can't be removed |
| 13:59.02 | jhuebner | gerforce: of course |
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| 14:00.09 | kristijonas | abrotman, I know I can use 'dpkg-query -S <file>' to check out which package owns some particular file, where is this info stored? |
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| 14:02.46 | abrotman | kristijonas: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 14:06.20 | kristijonas | abrotman, but only regular files? because I see conffiles in the /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 14:06.49 | abrotman | kristijonas: no, there are files with .conffiles as the extension |
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| 14:07.49 | hassoon_ | dpkg http://paste.debian.net/137848/ |
| 14:07.49 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hassoon_ |
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| 14:07.54 | hassoon_ | d'oh |
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| 14:08.01 | hassoon_ | dpkg fglrx-driver |
| 14:08.02 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. |
| 14:08.10 | kristijonas | abrotman, so what is the purpose of conffiles attribute in /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 14:08.17 | wonderworld | ist errors=remount-ro nicht default? mir ist gerade ein raid abgeschmiert und mount sagt mir, dass es auf errors=continue steht. in der fstab hab ich nur "default" gesetzt. *schluck* |
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| 14:08.29 | hassoon_ | does that package provied the same proprietary driver downloadabe fro mthe AMD site? |
| 14:08.35 | hassoon_ | *provide* |
| 14:08.39 | abrotman | kristijonas: that it has them |
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| 14:10.04 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 14:10.42 | kristijonas | abrotman, is there a command to list all files that a package owns? |
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| 14:11.31 | guardian | hello, can someone prompt me to the proper page that explains what I can use as options when pressing esc when the netinst iso starts? I gives me a "boot:" prompt |
| 14:11.34 | rdb | I am maintainer and developer of a software product that we store in git. What's the recommended workflow for debianising my project? Just keep a "debian" directory in my project sources? Separate branch? Separate repository with just the debian directory? |
| 14:11.39 | guardian | s/prompt me/point me/ |
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| 14:12.48 | guardian | hmm looks like this is https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en |
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| 14:17.15 | An_Ony_Moose | apt is trying to fetch a Packages file from my debian mirror, but only Packages.gz exists. How can I fix this? |
| 14:17.41 | jordanm | rdb: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What.27s_wrong_with_upstream_shipping_a_debian.2F_directory.3F |
| 14:18.03 | wonderworld | sorry, wrong language ;) a disk being part of and md-array started to produce read errors. mdadm didn't remove it from it's array. checking mount i saw that the md-device is mounted with errors=continue. in fstat i just set "defaults" isn't errors=remount-ro default? |
| 14:18.26 | rdb | jordanm, thank you. Would you recommend that the debianisation lives in a separate repository entirely, then? |
| 14:18.44 | abrotman | kristijonas: dpkg -L foopkg |
| 14:18.45 | jordanm | rdb: yes, that's how it's typically done for non-native packages |
| 14:19.25 | jordanm | rdb: if your package is native, then you can keep the debian directory in the main repo |
| 14:19.57 | rdb | Debian is by far not the only platform we target, so I'm guessing that means it's non-native. |
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| 14:20.05 | jordanm | yeah |
| 14:21.55 | hassoon_ | gosh |
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| 14:22.01 | hassoon_ | is stucjk in a dependency hell |
| 14:22.04 | hassoon_ | *stuck |
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| 14:22.34 | hassoon_ | does purging kde wholly then reinstalling it (i guess in tty mode) fix all the d ependencies and crap i nthe system |
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| 14:22.42 | hassoon_ | i use deb 7 kde* |
| 14:22.57 | kristijonas | abrotman, what is the difference between apt database (/var/lib/apt/lists), and two dpkg databases: 1) /var/lib/dpkg/status and 2) /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 14:23.03 | rdb | jordanm, is there a recommended policy for making daily builds? Would I have to pull in a new orig tarball every time I make a new build? |
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| 14:24.19 | abrotman | kristijonas: one is local, one is available? |
| 14:24.50 | abrotman | kristijonas: there are man pages to go with these things .. |
| 14:25.15 | jordanm | rdb: yes, if you are packaging from a tarball and not a git reference |
| 14:25.23 | jordanm | rdb: the former being much easier to manage |
| 14:25.24 | gerforce | jhuebner: are you still there? |
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| 14:25.54 | rdb | jordanm, the alternative being merging in upstream? May I ask why you think a tarball is easier to manage? |
| 14:25.57 | jhuebner | gerforce i am answering via PM |
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| 14:26.23 | jordanm | rdb: tarballs are natively handled by uscan, so you can just do git-import-orig --uscan |
| 14:26.24 | kristijonas | abrotman, but isn't the apt database that lists all available packages? |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | ... |
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| 14:26.41 | _littleb | hi people, I have installed a software from source and wanted to know if there is a way to uninstall it |
| 14:26.52 | abrotman | _littleb: do you still have the original source files? |
| 14:27.04 | KaaK | was aufs union support removed from schroot? |
| 14:27.12 | jordanm | rdb: otherwise you have to write your own method of fetching upstream source, which is typically done by adding a get-orig-source target to debian/rules |
| 14:27.17 | gerforce | jhuebner: have you received my messages via PM |
| 14:27.22 | jordanm | rdb: unless support has been added to uscan recently |
| 14:27.28 | _littleb | abrotman: the folder where I made ./configure && make? |
| 14:27.32 | _littleb | yes |
| 14:27.36 | jhuebner | gerforce: yes and i did answer, multiple times |
| 14:27.40 | rdb | jordanm, the use of uscan implies that upstream actually uploads daily tarballs somewhere, correct? |
| 14:27.40 | abrotman | it might have a make uninstall .. |
| 14:28.04 | gerforce | jhuebner: sorry i couldn't get it. |
| 14:28.14 | osram | wonderworld: check `man mount'. That probably lists what `defaults' implies. |
| 14:28.19 | jordanm | rdb: yeah, or uses something like github that automatically provides git archives |
| 14:28.25 | gerforce | jhuebner: i don't know why? |
| 14:28.26 | rdb | Ah, yeah, I see |
| 14:28.44 | jhuebner | gerforce: me neither :) |
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| 14:29.49 | kristijonas | well, how can and why dpkg database know about AVAILABLE packages (not installed ones)? As far as I know dpkg does not work with packages availability, apt does that. |
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| 14:30.31 | abrotman | kristijonas: you can install a package outside of apt |
| 14:30.31 | osram | wonderworld: according to that man page, error= behaviour is is set in the superblock (where it can be changed via tune2fs). |
| 14:30.37 | gerforce | jhuebner: i have sent you two link. Can you ..? Thanks :) |
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| 14:31.40 | kristijonas | abrotman, even if I don't have a .deb file downloaded yet? |
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| 14:31.57 | abrotman | kristijonas: I'm not sure how that's relevant |
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| 14:32.50 | osram | wonderworld: I suspect the default behaviour to be `continue' unless changed via tune2fs or overridden via errors= in /etc/fstab or at mount time. |
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| 14:33.02 | jordanm | rdb: there is also a new tool called dgit which could be useful |
| 14:33.07 | xreal | I've just figured out that PHP v5.4.35 in Wheezy behaves different to PHP compiled from source. Seems like Debian didn't include all the patches, this has been verified by #php. I think, that's a major bug, where's the right place to report it? |
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| 14:33.11 | jordanm | rdb: I haven't looked into it much |
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| 14:33.36 | rdb | I did see it mentioned, although wasn't sure how it related to the other tools. |
| 14:33.50 | wonderworld | osram: bad news. thanks a lot |
| 14:34.13 | jordanm | rdb: I think it's an alternative to tools like git-import-orig and git-buildpackage |
| 14:34.20 | rdb | I see. |
| 14:34.35 | osram | wonderworld: sorry |
| 14:34.56 | kristijonas | abrotman, so how to install an available package from /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 14:35.07 | jordanm | !tell xreal about bts |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | with .. apt? |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | kristijonas: oh . |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | kristijonas: misread |
| 14:35.42 | kristijonas | abrotman, no, with dpkg. |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | kristijonas: that depends on if the package is also known to apt or not |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | kristijonas: what problem are you actually trying to solve? |
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| 14:36.43 | jhuebner | gerforce: can you see my answers via PM? |
| 14:37.02 | kristijonas | abrotman, i am trying to understand the difference between different types of databases, apt database, dpkg status status database and dpkg available database, how they function. |
| 14:37.03 | gerforce | jhuebner: i couldn't. |
| 14:37.17 | gerforce | jhuebner: you can answer me here |
| 14:37.19 | abrotman | kristijonas: right, have you read the man pages yet? |
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| 14:38.25 | kristijonas | abrotman, yes, I did. |
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| 14:38.41 | abrotman | kristijonas: man dpkg talks about those files .. |
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| 14:40.11 | kristijonas | abrotman, man dpkg says: '/var/lib/dpkg/available List of available packages.' so how to install an available package using dpkg? |
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| 14:43.49 | kristijonas | "/var/lib/dpkg/status Statuses of available packages. This file contains information about whether a package is marked for removing or not, whether it is installed or not, etc." how can this be true if apt does that, not dpkg? |
| 14:43.54 | ksk | !tell kristijonas about apt |
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| 14:46.33 | kristijonas | ksk, but apt in /var/lib/apt/lists has a database for all available packages. so it might be logic and dpkg would not have available packages, but lists of installed ones. |
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| 14:49.14 | kristijonas | only apt could say that something is available, yet not installed, for dpkg it makes no sense -- does dpkg know where to get packages? No? How is then something available for the dpkg? |
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| 14:51.12 | Kulrak | mostly so if you try to install something via dpkg -i, it can tell you what you're missing and whether or not it's available via apt |
| 14:51.50 | jelly | !tell kristijonas about available |
| 14:52.20 | jelly | basically, dpkg gets that info from upper level (be it apt or older dselect) |
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| 14:55.45 | kristijonas | jelly, apt database file is like 20 MBs and lists all available packages from repos. dpkg does not list all available packages. what it lists in /var/lib/dpkg/available -- that's a big question. |
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| 14:57.56 | abrotman | kristijonas:Perhaps a better question is "how does dpkg know which packages are available" ? |
| 14:58.19 | kristijonas | abrotman, dpkg doesnt need to know it. |
| 14:58.34 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:58.43 | abrotman | kristijonas: Clearly you've got this all figured out, have a good day |
| 14:58.43 | simon | how do I best get libffi6 on wheezy? it seems that "libffi6" does not show up when I search packages.debian.org and restrict myself to wheezy-backports. what is my next-best option here? |
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| 14:58.56 | Leoneof | hi, how to autologin my username with password in the startup? i'm not using any DE, just command line |
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| 15:00.34 | kristijonas | dpkg just needs a list of installed packages, so it could uninstall them if needed not available ones. |
| 15:00.35 | dpkg | kristijonas: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 15:01.31 | Leoneof | btw, i don't have inittab, why? |
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| 15:03.16 | jelly | Leoneof: which debian release are you running? |
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| 15:03.49 | Leoneof | jelly: testing |
| 15:04.25 | jelly | Leoneof: /etc/inittab is a config file for sysvinit, and you probably have systemd instead |
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| 15:04.52 | Leoneof | jelly: ok, i will check it |
| 15:04.58 | jelly | Leoneof: for questions about testing, ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:05.36 | wonderworld | i set a filesystem to remount-ro on errors "tune2fs -e remount-ro /dev/md3" tune2fs said:setting error beaviour to "2". after that /proc/mounts shows errors=continue for that fs. how come? |
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| 15:09.36 | jelly | wonderworld: what did /proc/mounts show before the change? |
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| 15:10.17 | jelly | wonderworld: I guess the behavior is set at mount time. Maybe mount -o remount,... would help |
| 15:11.09 | wonderworld | jelly: i'll try, thanks |
| 15:12.19 | wonderworld | jelly: ok, didn't change it. strangely tune2fs -l shows Errors behavior: Remount read-only. I don't know which one to trust. |
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| 15:16.16 | jhutchins | I thought remoount-on-errors was handled by mount, not tune2fs. |
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| 15:31.12 | dreamer | because of continues boot problems from usb I decided to install 7 on a vg of my raid10. however when trying to install grub it fails on any of the disks in my system. very strange |
| 15:31.46 | dreamer | I tried each of the 3 disks in the raid, and a 4th disk that is in there. all on the mbr of those disks |
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| 15:32.44 | topi` | hi guys, I'm trying to build the CEF3 project (Chromium Embedded Framework), it's using "ninja" for building, does anyone know about this thing and how to get it for debian/wheezy? |
| 15:32.58 | tracphil | Can Debian be preseeded and for disk managment not format the whole volume/disk but just part of it? I have a preseed by my last logical volume ends up taking up the remainder of the disk instead of the 1G it is supposed to be. |
| 15:33.02 | topi` | I'm getting errors when using "Unix Makefiles", so I need to try something else |
| 15:33.47 | gerforce | jhuebner: i am still waiting for your reply here. |
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| 15:35.33 | dreamer | tracphil: preseeding is specifically a method for debian-based systems, so yes |
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| 15:36.06 | dreamer | tracphil: and you should be able to use lvm to use parts of the disk |
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| 15:36.35 | tracphil | can you look at my preseed file and see if you can determine what I am doing wrong? |
| 15:37.32 | dreamer | sorry, I don't have much experience with preseeding |
| 15:37.42 | dreamer | (read: basically none) |
| 15:37.44 | tracphil | :) thanks |
| 15:37.54 | dreamer | and having my own installation-issues atm >_< |
| 15:39.27 | dreamer | ah, in the error console I see: grub-probe error no such disk |
| 15:39.28 | tracphil | my preseed and postinstall is hammered out except for this issue which I can't figure out for the life of me. Here is my preseed file if anyone thinks they know preseed/LVM |
| 15:39.30 | dreamer | that's really odd |
| 15:39.32 | tracphil | http://paste.debian.net/137868/ |
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| 15:44.36 | abrotman | tracphil: you might get more help in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:44.57 | tracphil | abrotman: thank you!!! I thought this was the place :D |
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| 15:45.11 | abrotman | tracphil: "might" ... |
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| 15:54.14 | dreamer | heuhm, manually trying grub-install from a chroot in tty I get: grub-setup your core.img is unusually large |
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| 15:55.00 | Wraith- | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 15:55.00 | Wraith- | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:55.13 | Wraith- | what i do now ? I tried apt-get install vnc4server |
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| 15:58.13 | jhutchins | Wraith-: The actuall error will be above that. |
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| 15:59.16 | Wraith- | jhutchins, what i do? |
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| 16:02.52 | jhutchins | Wraith-: Read - see what went wrong. |
| 16:03.31 | jhutchins | Wraith-: grub-install shouldn't involve dpkg though. |
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| 16:04.21 | Wraith- | jhutchins, not understand |
| 16:04.47 | Wraith- | jhutchins, i did not understand |
| 16:05.43 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 16:05.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:05.57 | jhutchins | Wraith-: You can copy the output to pastebin and post the URL here. |
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| 16:12.47 | Wraith- | jhutchins, http://pastebin.com/KyHUGZpM |
| 16:13.43 | Extensa5630G | what is the difference between debian i386 and amd64 , i mean, does the latter really perform better on a core2 duo t6400/3GB laptop? |
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| 16:14.06 | Wraith- | Extensa5630G, u processor intel or amd ? |
| 16:14.12 | Wraith- | your* |
| 16:14.24 | Extensa5630G | Wraith-, of course intel (!) |
| 16:14.41 | jhutchins | Extensa5630G: dealing with larger files, more complex programs, and more RAM is easier with amd64 |
| 16:14.43 | ChrisH | Extensa5630G: how much memory installed? |
| 16:14.48 | jhutchins | Extensa5630G: There is some additional overhead. |
| 16:14.59 | Extensa5630G | ChrisH, 3 GB |
| 16:15.01 | Wraith- | Extensa5630G, then install i386 |
| 16:15.22 | Extensa5630G | jhutchins, but not significantly no? |
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| 16:15.32 | jhutchins | Extensa5630G: Note that there is no upgrade path to x64, it will require a reinstall if you want to switch. |
| 16:15.33 | Extensa5630G | the amd64>i386 thing |
| 16:15.42 | jhutchins | Extensa5630G: Correct, humans won't notice the difference. |
| 16:15.53 | Vroomfondle | er, I'd go for amd64 every time |
| 16:15.53 | Extensa5630G | jhutchins, ah alright |
| 16:16.18 | jelly | Extensa5630G: only specific tools work significantly better (hearsay: audio/video transcoding) |
| 16:16.21 | Vroomfondle | support for i386 amongst applications is starting to wane |
| 16:16.29 | ChrisH | Extensa5630G: I install amd64 everywhere where I might have more then 4GB RAM in future. |
| 16:16.36 | jhutchins | At this point there's little reason to prefer 32b, x64 is very mature, and multiarc (32b programs on 64b system) mostly works. |
| 16:16.51 | jelly | amd64 still eats a wee bit more RAM |
| 16:17.06 | jelly | and multiarch goes both ways. |
| 16:17.09 | Extensa5630G | it's a low-end old machine anyway, so given the facts here i will bother with this amd64 vs i386 once i buy that lenovo y50 or similar mahine heh :> |
| 16:17.26 | jelly | still on i386 until x32 matures |
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| 16:17.36 | Extensa5630G | chright, i see |
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| 16:17.48 | dreamer | uhg, ended up installing grub on a usb-stick, which worked fine. but a bit of a waste of a 32G stick :P |
| 16:17.53 | jhutchins | is still on 32b until he gets around to upgrading lenny. |
| 16:18.04 | jelly | I just boot an amd64 kernel, the rest is still i386. |
| 16:18.23 | jelly | except for $vendor backup client |
| 16:20.11 | Extensa5630G | anyway i have been stuck in a dependency hell, and i'm getting unmet dependencies and held packages everywhere |
| 16:20.29 | jelly | Extensa5630G: doing what? |
| 16:20.42 | jelly | !tell Extensa5630G about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 16:21.48 | Extensa5630G | jelly, that lib6c and lib6c:i386 are doing mess around, i use amd64 |
| 16:21.57 | Extensa5630G | *a mess* |
| 16:22.26 | jelly | Extensa5630G: I won't comment on any partial information, please put everything dpkg asked for in a pastebin first |
| 16:23.12 | Extensa5630G | jelly, sorry what do you suggest about the command that i should use to share the informations? |
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| 16:24.10 | jelly | Extensa5630G: you got a private message from dpkg bot. |
| 16:24.28 | jelly | follow it carefully |
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| 16:27.47 | DexterF | hi all |
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| 16:28.26 | DexterF | on a heavy used ext4, is there a way of telling when a certain file was deleted? not even restore, just tell deletion time |
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| 16:29.49 | Vroomfondle | DexterF: if you can be certain that no other files have been added or deleted from the same directory since, and that the directory's permissions haven't been changed, then the directory modification time will be the time that the file was deleted. |
| 16:29.57 | Vroomfondle | otherwise, I don't think there's a way |
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| 16:30.37 | sydney | Hi all. I shrunk my /home partition with a gparted live cd, and now my account will not log in. |
| 16:30.45 | sydney | The files are still there. |
| 16:30.57 | sydney | How do i fix that? |
| 16:30.59 | xand | oh hi Vroomfondle |
| 16:31.13 | Vroomfondle | ah, I thought I smelled xand |
| 16:31.20 | DexterF | sydney: fstab: by device or by uuid? |
| 16:31.43 | sydney | I dont know. |
| 16:31.45 | ChrisH | sydney: is the filesystem mounted? and /home has nothing to do with login on console. |
| 16:32.00 | sydney | it does get to the login scree, but i cannnot login. |
| 16:32.06 | sydney | yes, it is mounted. |
| 16:32.12 | ChrisH | atleat if logon is tested as root... boot into single user mode |
| 16:32.26 | sydney | I am in root at the moment. |
| 16:32.27 | DexterF | sydney: check the /etc/fstab line for /home. if it says sth about uuid, maybe the uuid changed due to resize. then get the new uuid with "blkid" (as root) and put it in there |
| 16:32.53 | Carlitos__ | easy |
| 16:32.53 | sydney | Ok. |
| 16:33.32 | ChrisH | sydney: blkid will show the UUID. check dmesg for unexpected lines |
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| 16:34.42 | sydney | blkid and fstab are showing that it has the corect UUID |
| 16:35.03 | sydney | I did this so i could dual boot also. |
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| 16:36.02 | ChrisH | sydney: dmesg? |
| 16:36.06 | Vroomfondle | sydney: the next step is to check dmesg then |
| 16:36.08 | Vroomfondle | yeah |
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| 16:36.43 | sydney | Want me to post the output? |
| 16:37.16 | ChrisH | sydney: paste.debian.net please |
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| 16:37.32 | sydney | :) |
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| 16:38.26 | sydney | http://paste.debian.net/137872/ |
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| 16:40.07 | Vroomfondle | sydney: nothing obvious there. What device is /home on? /dev/sda2 or something? |
| 16:40.17 | sydney | Yes. |
| 16:40.30 | Vroomfondle | and when you log in, what exactly does it do? Is there an error or does it just freeze up? |
| 16:40.37 | sydney | I have 2 debian installs pulling off one /home (or i was trying to set it up) |
| 16:41.04 | thorie | hi.. im trying to install 7.7.0 and it keeps getting stuck at "detecting network hardware" i just get a blue screen with a white bar at the bottom... any suggestions? |
| 16:41.08 | sydney | I type my pasword in, hit enter, the screen flashes, and returns to the login scree. |
| 16:41.38 | Vroomfondle | sydney: hmmmm. What do the permissions look like if you do 'ls -la /home' ? Are there any 'none's there? |
| 16:42.17 | sydney | drwxr-xr-x 134 sydney sydney 12288 Dec 23 11:17 sydney |
| 16:42.24 | sydney | ? |
| 16:42.49 | Vroomfondle | well that looks okay. What about the files inside? |
| 16:42.52 | mtn | thorie: you can try this iso: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and don't use unetbootin to make an usb stick, either. |
| 16:42.54 | sydney | I dont see any 'none's |
| 16:42.57 | Vroomfondle | I'm just wondering if it's a UID problem |
| 16:43.16 | Vroomfondle | as you're trying to use the same /home for two different accounts, presumably (one on each installation of Debian) |
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| 16:43.49 | sydney | They are there. home/sydney/... |
| 16:43.51 | Sh3r1ff | sydney: what does df -h tell you? |
| 16:43.51 | thorie | mtn: thanks, i'll try that |
| 16:44.34 | sydney | http://paste.debian.net/137875/ |
| 16:45.30 | ChrisH | sydney: cd /home ; ls -rtl ; cd $your-home ; ls -rtla ; pastebin if its OK from privcay perspective |
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| 16:45.59 | Spec | ls -lart, luser attitude readjustment tool |
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| 16:48.19 | sydney | http://paste.debian.net/137877/ |
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| 16:49.35 | ChrisH | sydney: I assume if you login via CTRL-ALT-F1 as user sydney or su - sydey as root it works. Please confirm. |
| 16:50.05 | sydney | Yep, that works. |
| 16:50.35 | sydney | Both of them work. |
| 16:50.44 | ChrisH | sydney: OK. then its not filesystem related but has something to do with the DE itself. Thats beyond my personal scope :) |
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| 16:51.29 | sydney | But, in 2 diferent os'es at the same time? |
| 16:51.49 | sydney | debian 7 and debian 8 xfce |
| 16:52.02 | ChrisH | If you use the same $HOME for both, than its the same cause |
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| 16:52.10 | mtn | sydney: make a new user and see how that works |
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| 16:52.44 | sydney | So, it must be a setting in my /home then. |
| 16:52.52 | Vroomfondle | sydney: thing is, xfce stores config data in /home and the version in debian 8 may require different config data structures than the version in debian 7 |
| 16:52.59 | ChrisH | off duty now... |
| 16:53.01 | Vroomfondle | it may have auto-upgraded them, thus breaking the older one |
| 16:53.10 | sydney | This happened before i installed debian 8 |
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| 16:53.17 | Vroomfondle | ah, right |
| 16:53.27 | sydney | This happened when i resized my partition ;) |
| 16:53.47 | sydney | Whats the comand to make a new user in a terminal> |
| 16:53.49 | sydney | ? |
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| 16:54.11 | sydney | I can just transfer my files over, and delete the old one. |
| 16:54.27 | sydney | Then i have another issue to figure out :P |
| 16:54.37 | ChrisH | sydney: as mentioned before. resizing might have triggered, but it's not a filesystem issue. man adduser |
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| 16:55.19 | ChrisH | sydney: that new user is just to verify its related to your $HOME setting, not as a fix |
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| 16:55.23 | sydney | man adduser... |
| 16:55.26 | sydney | ? |
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| 16:55.41 | ChrisH | sydney> Whats the comand to make a new user in a terminal <--- man adduser |
| 16:56.00 | sydney | What do i type at the end of that line though? |
| 16:56.40 | Vroomfondle | sydney: "adduser sydney2" |
| 16:56.57 | sydney | Ok, be right back |
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| 16:59.34 | sydney | Yep, that worked. |
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| 16:59.51 | sydney | So, what does that prove then, since it worked? |
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| 17:00.07 | Vroomfondle | it means your DE isn't completely screwed-up |
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| 17:00.22 | mtn | sydney: settings in your old users home are messed up ;) |
| 17:00.35 | rebauld | Vroomfondle: geez that's no fun for us ;) |
| 17:00.42 | Vroomfondle | tbh if I were you I'd just copy all the files you care about from /home/sydney to /home/sydney2, chown them to 'sydney2' and then just keep using that account instead. Easiest option ;) |
| 17:00.43 | sydney | haha :) |
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| 17:00.55 | sydney | Ok. |
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| 17:01.25 | mtn | sydney: don't copy all the files though, just your data files that are important |
| 17:01.28 | sydney | I will work on that, then i will be back, so you guys can teach me what chown is and how to use it. |
| 17:01.32 | sydney | I know ;) |
| 17:01.39 | Vroomfondle | heh |
| 17:01.52 | mtn | !next |
| 17:01.52 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:10.38 | debie | Hi, I'm having difficulty getting vbox to run happy on wheezy 64bit. I have had it working in the past. when running, I get the following errors: VirtualBox: Error -610 in supR3HardenedMainInitRuntime! VirtualBox: dlopen("/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so",) failed: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libk5crypto.so.3: symbol krb5int_buf_len, version krb5support_0_MIT not defined in file libkrb5support.so.0 with link time reference |
| 17:10.57 | debie | removing/reinstalling virtualbox-4.3 does not help |
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| 17:12.49 | sydney | Thanks guys :) I just cleared all my config files instead of transfering the all. |
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| 17:12.57 | sydney | Next issue. |
| 17:13.08 | Vroomfondle | you need to chown :) |
| 17:13.19 | sydney | I didnt transfer them. |
| 17:13.25 | Vroomfondle | ah, I see |
| 17:13.25 | sydney | They are still in the same account. |
| 17:14.28 | sydney | I installed from a live cd, and chose for it not to download stuff from the internet, and now that im in the install, i cannot install any programs from the internet. |
| 17:15.06 | Vroomfondle | sydney: look in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 17:15.12 | Vroomfondle | are a lot of things commented out with a # ? |
| 17:15.25 | sydney | They were, but i removed the # |
| 17:15.35 | sydney | And still cannot do it. |
| 17:15.38 | Vroomfondle | and then did you do "apt-get update" as root? |
| 17:15.43 | sydney | yep. |
| 17:16.01 | Vroomfondle | what did that say? |
| 17:17.07 | sydney | http://paste.debian.net/137881/ |
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| 17:18.45 | Vroomfondle | sydney: ah. Is there not a line in /etc/apt/sources.list which says something like 'jessie main' in it? |
| 17:18.49 | sydney | Im running in nomodeset, need nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms and a bunch of updates, but they say there are none available. |
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| 17:19.43 | trem0r | David Gilmour or Roger Waters? |
| 17:19.47 | sydney | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main |
| 17:19.49 | sydney | oops |
| 17:19.51 | sydney | ? |
| 17:20.10 | sydney | its enabled. |
| 17:20.32 | sydney | sec... |
| 17:20.38 | Vroomfondle | no, just 'jessia main' I think. Copy-paste that line into the bottom of the file and remove '-updates' |
| 17:20.41 | Vroomfondle | then do apt-get update |
| 17:20.57 | sydney | http://paste.debian.net/137882/ |
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| 17:22.31 | sydney | Working... |
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| 17:22.52 | sydney | Its doing somethign diferent. |
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| 17:24.48 | sydney | Ok, i will be afk for a while. |
| 17:24.56 | sydney | thanks Vroomfondle :) |
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| 17:25.11 | Vroomfondle | no problem :) |
| 17:25.26 | trem0r | booyah, Vroomfondle for the win |
| 17:25.50 | Vroomfondle | :D |
| 17:25.55 | trem0r | =] |
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| 17:27.14 | sydney | That "hack" worked. Lets hope the update goes without a hitch. |
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| 17:27.52 | rebauld | we are all holding our breathes and tithing extra for you sydney |
| 17:28.33 | debie | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.55 | debie | I am not having the best time trying to figure out why the two are unhappy |
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| 17:31.24 | rebauld | what is your error |
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| 17:34.28 | debie | rebauld: VirtualBox: Error -610 in supR3HardenedMainInitRuntime! VirtualBox: dlopen("/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so",) failed: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libk5crypto.so.3: symbol krb5int_buf_len, version krb5support_0_MIT not defined in file libkrb5support.so.0 with link time reference |
| 17:35.00 | debie | this is on wheezy 64bit. I have had it working in the past. |
| 17:35.05 | Vroomfondle | on the face of it that sounds like some sort of dependency issue |
| 17:35.23 | Vroomfondle | is your libk5crypto too old or new? |
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| 17:35.39 | debie | yea, except apt-get remove virtualbox-4.3 && apt-get install virtualbox-4.3 seems to work fine, same with the vboxdrv setup |
| 17:36.04 | debie | Vroomfondle: libk5crypto says it is at latest |
| 17:36.37 | rebauld | you have libk5cryoto.so.3 there not libkrb5?? |
| 17:36.38 | debie | can I force apt to reinstall all deps? or try to |
| 17:36.46 | topi` | any idea how to get Virtualbox shared directories working with jessie? |
| 17:37.14 | debie | rebauld: should I install libkrb5? |
| 17:37.29 | topi` | do I have to mount the vbox-supplied Guest CD and run the script there to build kernel modules with module-assistant? |
| 17:37.37 | rebauld | i don't know where that 'typo' comes from |
| 17:37.55 | rebauld | failed: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libk5crypto.so.3: |
| 17:38.04 | debie | rebauld: libk5crypto3 is a package |
| 17:38.20 | debie | libk5crypto3 - MIT Kerberos runtime libraries - Crypto Library |
| 17:38.37 | debie | it's probably from vbox |
| 17:39.23 | rebauld | it doesn't look like a type - it seems to be it's own package - see if it is installable? |
| 17:39.38 | debie | I have, it's up to date |
| 17:40.22 | debie | rebauld: are you saying libkrb5 is needed? |
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| 17:40.45 | rebauld | i would think so |
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| 17:41.21 | debie | rebauld: libkrb5-dev ? |
| 17:41.32 | debie | or libkrb5 |
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| 17:42.28 | pingfloyd | The dev pkg is if you're compiling |
| 17:42.41 | pingfloyd | It is the headers |
| 17:42.54 | rebauld | if you have them installed -> packages libkrb5-3, libkrb5support0 and libk5crypto3 don't match or get along |
| 17:43.09 | debie | ah |
| 17:43.19 | debie | I see libkrb5-3 failing to install if tried |
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| 17:43.45 | rebauld | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | debie, apt always installs all dependencies... that a package names. so this sounds a little bit like you installed packages that are not from debian... if you did not, check in bugs.debian.org - if they are all real stock debian packages and this is wheezy, the problem must have occured before |
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| 17:44.32 | rebauld | actually a lot of this is on google - for that error |
| 17:44.41 | debie | hmmmm |
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| 17:50.27 | rebauld | debie: why not purge all these and then make sure you have correct entry in your sources.list and install all again - and apt-get autoremove? |
| 17:51.09 | debie | rebauld: so far, that seems to be the best route, I'm in the middle of purging now. |
| 17:51.37 | debie | when apt reports that a package has other 'recommended pkgs' is there a way to look at this list for a package later? |
| 17:51.42 | rebauld | but it (probably) isn't an virtual box problem |
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| 17:52.01 | rebauld | it should tell you what the recommended are |
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| 17:53.10 | debie | rebauld: but if you want to look at that list later, post install.. how do you? |
| 17:54.14 | rebauld | checks if cutnpaste has been invented yet ->>>>> $profit$ |
| 17:54.39 | dthrvr | #762132 - latest amd proprietary fglrx (including experimental) renders mouse unusable (invisible). Anyone experiencing the same problem? |
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| 18:03.19 | Misbehavist | :> |
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| 18:04.03 | Misbehavist | debian rules |
| 18:04.05 | Misbehavist | \o/ |
| 18:04.32 | Misbehavist | each new version of debian kinda scares me tho |
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| 18:29.38 | superrorc | after upgrade from 7.6 to 7.7 fucking openswan dont autostart and corrupt my system |
| 18:29.42 | superrorc | hate this shit |
| 18:29.52 | superrorc | now must configure strongswan |
| 18:30.04 | RayzrShrp | wtf are you even talking about |
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| 18:32.57 | boblee | superrorc: you must use ugleduck patch |
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| 18:33.41 | superrorc | boblee: trying about 2 weeks and already remove openswan.. but ty |
| 18:33.43 | nosleep77_ | hi guys is the ntp bug fixed in the security patch released for debian? |
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| 18:33.48 | nosleep77_ | wheezy* |
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| 18:35.08 | kristijonas | I read again, man pages of dpkg and apt, but still dont understand what 'available' means for dpkg. |
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| 18:38.56 | undecided | can you tell why this doesn't work properly on terminal? |
| 18:39.01 | undecided | curl http://my.site.com/astmain.php?digits=33&provider=12 |
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| 18:39.16 | undecided | it only process the first GET parameter |
| 18:39.24 | undecided | why? |
| 18:41.39 | Vroomfondle | undecided: because "&" is a terminal command character |
| 18:42.06 | Vroomfondle | use quotes: curl "http://my.site.com/astmain.php?digits=33&provider=12" |
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| 18:42.16 | undecided | thank you. so how should I change that? |
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| 18:46.50 | undecided | Vroomfondle: thanks :) it worked |
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| 18:49.58 | superrorc | boblee: cant google it, some links pls? |
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| 18:50.20 | Rad- | So apparently i can't send phpmail cuz i need the sendmail package but i try to install and it keep ssaying unmet dependencies |
| 18:50.37 | Rad- | is there a way to sudo apt-get install <package> that has it install dependencies as well |
| 18:51.39 | Rad- | maybe apt-get -f install?? |
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| 18:53.18 | thorie | Rad-: try postfix or exim4 ? |
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| 18:55.32 | sylencecc | Hello! Rather general question: I built some software (radare2) without installing it, so the binaries couldn't find their own libraries. after installing it as user in some random location within my home dir, suddenly all those libs are successfully resolved. why does that work? how are the libraries resolved? |
| 18:55.40 | eugenmayer | hello. What alternatives to munin beside cacti exists, so i can actually track and visualize ressource stats on a server. I dont want them to be live reported to a central server, rather keep them locally on the system (and visualize them there using a webserver) |
| 18:55.41 | jingojingo | hi everyone -- i want a very simple feature in iceweasel, and im wondering how i can go about it getting it: i'd like to add the "clone tab" command |
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| 18:56.39 | sdollins | Being the lazy person that I am, do you guys know if there's a simple way to see if ntp was exploited? |
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| 18:58.30 | rebauld | sylencecc: you must have a 'good' entry in /etc/ld.so.conf and something ran ldconfig |
| 18:58.49 | rebauld | sdollins: are you now on n. korean time? |
| 18:58.59 | sdollins | haha |
| 18:59.09 | sdollins | Nope, just UTC. |
| 18:59.14 | sdollins | I should fix that. |
| 18:59.21 | pingfloyd | sdollins: forensics is never really easy |
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| 18:59.36 | sdollins | I'm just gonna assume no one cares about my tiny webserver |
| 19:00.26 | rebauld | if you got the ntp from a trusted source i wouldn't worry about - not much can be done by sending back 'bad' time |
| 19:00.39 | rebauld | it is udpp |
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| 19:01.00 | someHuman | hi! |
| 19:01.03 | sylencecc | rebauld: /etc/ld.so.conf* only contain stuff in /lib and /usr/lib, but my specific libs are somewhere in /home. it still knows that, as ldd shows...how? |
| 19:01.15 | sylencecc | ldconfig -X was run by the installation routine |
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| 19:01.27 | someHuman | I skipped the network mirror step in Debian installtion. |
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| 19:01.58 | someHuman | So it seems that Debian asks me for some sort of a physical source of software to download from whenever I want to get software. |
| 19:02.17 | someHuman | I'd like to set up a network mirror. |
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| 19:02.24 | someHuman | How do I go about it? |
| 19:03.02 | jhuebner | somehuman: you asked hours ago and already got answers |
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| 19:03.20 | someHuman | jhuebner: I did not at least take down note of it. |
| 19:03.29 | someHuman | Can you let some bot do it for me |
| 19:03.30 | someHuman | ? |
| 19:03.33 | someHuman | I think that was dpkg? |
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| 19:04.19 | someHuman | jhuebner: Can I have answers? :( |
| 19:04.23 | rebauld | sylencecc: what does ldd show ? and what is the app |
| 19:05.01 | rebauld | and check what is the ld.so.conf.d dir |
| 19:05.09 | rebauld | it isn't magic |
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| 19:05.30 | someHuman | jhuebner: I just got a dpkg notif, did you do that? |
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| 19:07.21 | sylencecc | rebauld: i checked all the /etc/ld.so.conf* stuff, nothing in there except some paths to /lib and /usr/lib. ldd shows https://paste.kde.org/p7xalpvy0 |
| 19:08.00 | sylencecc | rebauld: the app is radare2, a reverse engineering framework. i had that happen to me with other self-built software, too |
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| 19:09.28 | rebauld | do you _have_ to install it in the home dir? maybe the libs are hardcoded into the source |
| 19:10.11 | sylencecc | no, that was just a test build. everything is working as it should, i'm just wondering how those paths are resolved. |
| 19:10.14 | Rad- | thorie: what is postfix and exim4 |
| 19:10.18 | rebauld | do you have a '.' in the ld.so.conf? |
| 19:11.04 | jelly-home | someHuman: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 19:11.21 | sylencecc | rebauld: nope.. :/ |
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| 19:11.54 | rebauld | probably just 'relative' |
| 19:12.11 | someHuman | jelly-home: Thanks man! |
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| 19:12.40 | jelly-home | someHuman: and comment out the cdrom line if you don't want to use that source |
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| 19:12.49 | sylencecc | rebauld: yeah, probably it's something like that. thanks :) |
| 19:12.57 | someHuman | Thanks man! |
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| 19:13.32 | someHuman | Yeah I'd like to just get my software on line. I don't like the idea of Debian asking me for some sort of physical source such as CD every time I try getting software. |
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| 19:15.09 | tortib | hello everyone |
| 19:15.15 | Misbehavist | no |
| 19:15.27 | tortib | :| |
| 19:15.30 | Misbehavist | :> |
| 19:15.53 | Misbehavist | we meet again |
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| 19:16.16 | tortib | I'm having an odd problem with ip6tables. I have rules that I have set and they work for a while maybe 15min and then they stop working completely, I'm not even able to connect on port 80 with ipv6. |
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| 19:16.42 | tortib | If I move the rules I added in a different sequence then it works for a little bit again and then stops |
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| 19:17.20 | rebauld | is your ip changing? |
| 19:17.47 | tortib | rebauld: well I have multiple IPs assigned to the interface but no connections that are using a specific IP are dying as well. |
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| 19:17.51 | Slamd64 | hello, I am using Debian Sid and yesterday I have noticed that xfce4 and also gnome are asking me for root password and wlan key on every login. I also set up on gdm3 autologin and it still asks for password. please help. |
| 19:18.06 | Slamd64 | I did reinstallation and it wasn't doing this before |
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| 19:18.38 | rebauld | ? but no connections that are |
| 19:18.39 | rebauld | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.00 | tortib | like if I connect to IRC using a specific IP address |
| 19:19.03 | jelly-home | Slamd64: use #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for questions about unstable or testing |
| 19:19.12 | tortib | the connection still dies, but the IP address remained the same. |
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| 19:19.42 | tortib | plus my rules are set for all ips |
| 19:19.45 | rebauld | check you log files and log the iptables rules and see what is up |
| 19:19.56 | tortib | it's all the rules... |
| 19:20.17 | tortib | IRC, DNS, HTTP, all stop working |
| 19:20.24 | rebauld | disable the rules and see if you still get bad |
| 19:20.25 | tortib | IPv4 remains unchanged |
| 19:20.33 | abrotman | tortib: there is a #netfilter |
| 19:20.35 | rebauld | maybe your isp hates you or bad card or .. |
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| 19:21.20 | Misbehavist | is ip spoofing as easy as this one idiot tells me? |
| 19:21.26 | tortib | I just removed the rules, flushed the ip6tables and then restored the rules and it still can't connect to port 80 |
| 19:21.30 | abrotman | Misbehavist: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 19:21.49 | Misbehavist | jus a simple questn |
| 19:21.53 | Misbehavist | gah |
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| 19:25.24 | Misbehavist | damit |
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| 19:25.40 | tortib | rebauld: my ISP doesn't hate me due to the fact that if I flush the rules it works perfectly :) |
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| 19:29.22 | Hanumaan | while upgrading from squeeze to wheezy getting this error "The value '6.0*' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the source" what do I do? |
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| 19:34.04 | rebauld | tortib: yea hit up #netfilter .. and comment out your rules and then enable one at a time until you find the problem |
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| 19:43.22 | rm-rf | hi |
| 19:43.24 | rm-rf | So the following: There is a process 'app' which runs under user 'application' which also (surprise!) belongs to group application. Then there is another process named 'daemon' which runs under user 'daemon' and belongs to the groups 'daemon' and 'application'. Now process 'app' creates an unix domain socket, process 'daemon' should read + write from/to that socket file. For this the socket... |
| 19:43.25 | rm-rf | ...file needs owner 'application' and 'group' application. This is the case. But it also needs the permissions g=rwx, but default umask results in g=rx. So the daemon process cannot write to it (and fails). So what part is now responsible for giving that socket file the right permissions? The 'app' process? The 'daemon' process can't change the permissions as it would need g+w which is... |
| 19:43.27 | rm-rf | ...missing. So what part (except the admin who could fix the permissions manually (but this happens many times when the 'app' process is restarted, this should work automatically) of the system should handle the right permissions? |
| 19:43.28 | rm-rf | --- |
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| 19:45.52 | Vroomfondle | rm-rf: you could achieve that either by having 'app' change the file permissions after creation, or by running 'umask' as 'application' before 'app' is started. |
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| 19:46.40 | rm-rf | Vroomfondle: ah, yes. Well, the app process should be quite agnostic what other processes would do with its socket (lol). So an umask looks nice to me. |
| 19:46.49 | rm-rf | Can I set an umask individually for a directory and for a user? |
| 19:47.01 | jordanm | no |
| 19:47.04 | magnulu | I have a nas/htpc connected to my stereo - occasionally I want to play a youtube clip I find on my laptop through the stereo.. without plugging in.. how would you recommend doing this? |
| 19:47.04 | rm-rf | And is it permanent? Can ls also show me the umasks? |
| 19:47.06 | rm-rf | jordanm: hm |
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| 19:47.48 | rebauld | jordanm: what if uses it through samba? |
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| 19:48.25 | jordanm | rebauld: I was responding to the question of umask being set specifically for a certain directory |
| 19:48.30 | jelly-home | rm-rf: isn't it kind of backwards that the "app" sets up a socket, and the "daemon" is its client? |
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| 19:49.49 | rebauld | jordanm: /s/if uses/if he uses/ |
| 19:50.02 | jelly-home | rm-rf: if you can't fix the behaviour of "app", you can change the socket permissions after each restart (but before any of its users access it) |
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| 19:50.44 | jelly-home | rm-rf: is "app" an open source product? |
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| 19:51.35 | jordanm | rm-rf: try: setfacl -m "u:daemon:rw-" /dir/socket/gets/written |
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| 19:52.11 | rm-rf | jelly-home: ah, thanks |
| 19:52.14 | rm-rf | jordanm: thanks |
| 19:52.21 | jordanm | erm, nevermind, that won't work |
| 19:52.46 | rm-rf | jelly-home: backwards? how can I make it better? I want to learn! |
| 19:52.54 | WormFood | if I put a symlink in /etc/cron.daily, will it work as expected, or do I need to actually move my shell script there? |
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| 19:53.28 | jelly-home | we usually call the processes that set up sockets "services" or "daemons" and the ones connecting to said sockets "clients" |
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| 19:54.21 | WormFood | I usually think of "clients", as the people who pay me money to do work for them :P |
| 19:54.25 | jelly-home | also: asking in multiple channels at the same time? Not too nice |
| 19:54.47 | jordanm | WormFood: symlink is fine |
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| 19:54.58 | WormFood | thanks jordanm |
| 19:55.51 | WormFood | jelly-home, nothing wrong with asking in multiple channels, as long as they give some time between asking somewhere else. I try not the ask the same question in 2 places, unless I wait at least 20-30 minutes |
| 19:56.15 | jelly-home | WormFood: this was 20:42 ##linux 20:43 here |
| 19:56.21 | jordanm | waiting a long time is ok |
| 19:56.27 | jelly-home | and pertinent information not shared |
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| 19:56.37 | jordanm | 2 minutes apart is bad cross-posting |
| 19:56.47 | WormFood | I understand jelly-home. That is why I added the time thing. 1 minute difference is not cool |
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| 19:57.20 | jelly-home | <kurahaupo> rm-rf: the problem is that AF_LOCAL sockets have no way to set access permissions other than the umask, unlike say open with O_CREAT |
| 19:57.22 | WormFood | I also consider it to be rude |
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| 19:58.07 | jelly-home | and this implies it's something that comes with the distro: <kurahaupo> rm-rf: how and why does it have g-w in its umask to begin with? <rm-rf> kurahaupo: os / distribution default |
| 19:58.25 | jelly-home | or maybe not, I misread |
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| 20:09.56 | scrubfest | Is oracle-java7-installer the offical package for java 7? |
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| 20:17.13 | scrubfest | Anyone here that could walk me through getting java 7? |
| 20:17.16 | scrubfest | :) |
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| 20:19.27 | rebauld_ | can't you avoid using java? |
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| 20:21.50 | harmaahylje | why should he avoid java? |
| 20:22.13 | scrubfest | Hard to avoid using java when I want to run jars |
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| 20:22.36 | harmaahylje | scrubfest: you can get the oracle one from oracles site, you have to agree on their license |
| 20:22.48 | harmaahylje | they have instructions over there |
| 20:22.55 | harmaahylje | there is openjdk also |
| 20:23.30 | rebauld_ | and the horribly broken java in the gcc suite :( |
| 20:23.31 | scrubfest | What is the difference? |
| 20:23.57 | scrubfest | Also, should I remove my current version before installing the new one? |
| 20:24.21 | harmaahylje | to be sure that you are running a certain version you can do that as a precaution |
| 20:24.24 | mtn | !java |
| 20:24.24 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:24.56 | ferni | install the openjdk-7-jre and use update-java-alternatives to use it (if you had also java6 installed) |
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| 20:26.58 | scrubfest | How can I get the package name tied to an installation? |
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| 20:28.34 | rebauld_ | do you need java installed to run jars in a browser or just check the java box? |
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| 20:33.29 | jthomas | I think you need Java to run .jar files, yes |
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| 20:35.57 | rebauld_ | jthomas: even in firefox (for example) - the browser doesn't have an internal java? like javascript? |
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| 20:36.53 | harmaahylje | rebauld_: no |
| 20:37.07 | jthomas | javascript is very different from java' |
| 20:37.07 | harmaahylje | javascript and java are two different things |
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| 20:41.03 | rebauld_ | yea i know - i do believe that firefox has an internal java interpreter just like it has an internal javascrip |
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| 20:41.33 | Vroomfondle | no, it doesn't have any internal java runtime. You can add a plugin if you want to browse the web like it's 1999. |
| 20:41.53 | Vroomfondle | the JRE packages tend to add the plugin |
| 20:41.57 | Vroomfondle | (IIRC) |
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| 20:42.04 | user | sup |
| 20:42.05 | Vroomfondle | clouds/sky/birds |
| 20:42.07 | VectorMan2000 | nm u |
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| 20:54.07 | Misbehavist | how can i setup vpn client to just work |
| 20:54.12 | Misbehavist | w out having to run config |
| 20:54.25 | Misbehavist | i folowed the guide but no work |
| 20:54.29 | petn-randall | rebauld_: Java and Javascript are two very different things. What Vroomfondle said: You can install a Java plugin if you need it. |
| 20:54.38 | Misbehavist | i also done this before and it worked |
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| 20:54.45 | Misbehavist | wth am i doing diff |
| 20:55.00 | Misbehavist | halp |
| 20:55.10 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: How would that work? You of course have to configure a VPN client, how is it supposed to know where to connect to? |
| 20:55.28 | Misbehavist | rite but olnly 1ce |
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| 20:55.55 | Misbehavist | i have to have the term open |
| 20:56.02 | Misbehavist | now and its wack |
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| 20:56.06 | bestdew55 | http://hdxsx.com/malena-morgan-mia-malkova-girls-rule/ |
| 20:56.10 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 20:56.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:56.22 | Misbehavist | stop petn-randall |
| 20:56.32 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: Stop what? |
| 20:56.38 | Misbehavist | jus stop |
| 20:56.42 | Misbehavist | ur not helping |
| 20:56.44 | mtn | stop making sense |
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| 20:56.54 | Misbehavist | excuse me |
| 20:57.22 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: Sure, you're the person wanting help. I'm just here to help. If you don't want any, sure ... |
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| 20:57.47 | mtn | people expect a lot from volunteer help :P |
| 20:57.58 | Misbehavist | omg |
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| 21:06.21 | Misbehavist | so no1 helped me |
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| 21:06.27 | Misbehavist | gud job every1 |
| 21:06.30 | Misbehavist | \o/ |
| 21:07.21 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: What kind of VPN client are you using? |
| 21:07.30 | Misbehavist | openvpn |
| 21:07.40 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: Are you using network-manager? |
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| 21:07.55 | Misbehavist | no |
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| 21:08.30 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: Ok, how do you want to configure it, and what are you expecting it to do? |
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| 21:08.47 | Misbehavist | its configured per the file i have |
| 21:08.49 | Misbehavist | i got |
| 21:08.51 | Misbehavist | plus the keys |
| 21:09.23 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: And you're running the openvpn daemon, but it's not connecting the VPN? |
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| 21:10.12 | Misbehavist | ya |
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| 21:10.29 | Misbehavist | i should jus do openvpn restart |
| 21:10.36 | Misbehavist | thats how i had it before |
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| 21:10.49 | Misbehavist | but now i have to do configure and leave that open |
| 21:10.51 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: Did you set it to run in /etc/default/openvpn? |
| 21:11.04 | Misbehavist | i jus set it to auto |
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| 21:11.47 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: Setting it to 'auto' will start only a vpn tunnel named 'auto'. Check the comments in that file. |
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| 21:12.28 | Misbehavist | omg im dumb? |
| 21:12.34 | Misbehavist | r u teling me this? |
| 21:12.45 | petn-randall | !u |
| 21:12.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:13.17 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: I just pointed out a mistake, if you're offended by it, good luck. |
| 21:13.22 | petn-randall | !next |
| 21:13.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 21:13.31 | Misbehavist | wait |
| 21:13.35 | Misbehavist | leme see if it werks |
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| 21:15.42 | Misbehavist | wait |
| 21:15.51 | Misbehavist | i have autostart all |
| 21:16.10 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: If this doesn't fix it, we'll probably go through a few more dozen things. If you think I'm insulting your intelligence every time, we're both not going to enjoy this. |
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| 21:16.31 | Misbehavist | im jk calm down |
| 21:16.33 | Misbehavist | lel |
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| 21:16.56 | Misbehavist | im guessing the guy didnt do the config rite |
| 21:17.23 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: What does /var/log/daemon.log say when you do '/etc/init.d/openvpn restart'? |
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| 21:17.28 | Misbehavist | i dont remember having to mess w the defaults file |
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| 21:17.42 | Misbehavist | it tells me OK |
| 21:17.46 | Misbehavist | but the log lets see |
| 21:18.52 | vertz | Can anyone point me in the right direction to make fonts look good in debian? its really horrible |
| 21:18.55 | Misbehavist | ooh i ssee |
| 21:19.00 | Misbehavist | nothing hapens in the log |
| 21:19.03 | Misbehavist | when i restart |
| 21:19.18 | Misbehavist | its like not even picking it up |
| 21:19.33 | mtn | vertz: are you using a desktop? |
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| 21:19.45 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: Can you paste the full /etc/default/openvpn and the config file /etc/openvpn/ you're trying to get to work? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:19.50 | vertz | mtn: yes |
| 21:19.56 | Misbehavist | i think i have to install that extra tls tool |
| 21:20.04 | Misbehavist | im on jessie |
| 21:20.52 | mtn | vertz: in your font settings, set Hinting: none and Anitaliasing: Rgba. and other fonts if you like others better. |
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| 21:21.19 | scrubfest | A very general question. If I have an application that is packaged for arch linux, would it be hard to convert it to work on debian? |
| 21:21.23 | mtn | vertz: you can install extra fonts from the debian repos using your package manager, too |
| 21:21.33 | scrubfest | Not sure if my terminology is correct. |
| 21:22.11 | rebauld_ | vertz: there are hundreds of fonts but wings dings is my favorite |
| 21:22.18 | petn-randall | scrubfest: The package manager are (to my knowledge) not compatible. So it would make more sense to package the upstream source for Debian. |
| 21:23.06 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: If you prepend my name (petn<tab>) to your lines, I actually get highlighted. |
| 21:23.25 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: TLS has nothing to do with your problem. |
| 21:23.25 | Misbehavist | petn-randall: i kno |
| 21:23.37 | Misbehavist | so ya its jus not starting |
| 21:23.43 | Misbehavist | if i do config i see in log |
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| 21:23.50 | Misbehavist | if i do restart nothing |
| 21:23.52 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: I'm still waiting for the paste. |
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| 21:25.54 | scrubfest | If I create an application for "Linux", not targeted to a single distro, would it be hard to port it to all distros? |
| 21:26.43 | jordanm | scrubfest: depends. what language? what build system? what does it do? |
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| 21:28.40 | rebauld_ | and how lib version dependent is it or distro dependent etc |
| 21:29.12 | scrubfest | Well I am curious as to why no games exist for Linux distros. And that you have to run everything on wine |
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| 21:29.28 | mtn | scrubfest: wow, are you wrong! |
| 21:29.32 | scrubfest | From what I've read they are talking about porting being as easy as the click off a button |
| 21:29.49 | scrubfest | mtn, how so? |
| 21:30.06 | mtn | scrubfest: lots of native linux games. ever hear of stream? |
| 21:30.14 | mtn | steam, that is |
| 21:30.16 | scrubfest | stream? o rsteam? |
| 21:30.22 | scrubfest | Yes, I've heard of steam |
| 21:30.26 | scrubfest | I have it installed actually |
| 21:30.33 | rebauld_ | go, chess, fortran .... :) |
| 21:30.36 | scrubfest | About 2/29 games are available on my current platform |
| 21:30.40 | scrubfest | (debian) |
| 21:30.40 | mtn | scrubfest: so how can you say no linux games? |
| 21:31.04 | scrubfest | When I said no, I actually meant very few. |
| 21:31.12 | jordanm | 70/169 here |
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| 21:31.15 | digdilem | tuxracer. what more do you need? |
| 21:31.22 | mtn | scrubfest: ah sorry, my crystal ball was on the blink :P |
| 21:31.25 | vertz | mtn: looks a bit better, but far from perfect :S |
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| 21:31.46 | mtn | vertz: I am sure you can get it looking like you want it :) |
| 21:32.28 | vertz | mtn: yeah i guess |
| 21:32.29 | rebauld_ | mtn there is even '8 ball' for linux - no need for crystal ball any more |
| 21:32.38 | petn-randall | scrubfest: steam depends on glibc 2.15, which only runs in jessie. Most FPS and even some strategy games (planetary annihilation) run on Linux. |
| 21:33.26 | petn-randall | Misbehavist: I have to leave now. For the future, don't assume the worst, assume that people in a channel dedicated to support actually want to help you. It's much more productive that way. |
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| 21:34.07 | rebauld_ | petn-randall: quit trolling him ;) |
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| 21:35.24 | Misbehavist | dam trols |
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| 21:36.16 | mtn | looks for a dictionary |
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| 21:36.53 | rebauld_ | damtrols |
| 21:36.58 | hassoon | dpkg: astromenace |
| 21:36.59 | dpkg | hassoon: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:37.03 | hassoon | oh |
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| 21:37.38 | hassoon | how come? i used to be able to download the astromenace game package from the repositories |
| 21:38.57 | mtn | hassoon: it is there: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 21:39.04 | mtn | hassoon: maybe you need backports |
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| 21:39.40 | hassoon | mtn: oh i got main, non-free, and contrib in the end of each line in the sources.list |
| 21:40.01 | hassoon | shouldn't i just add backports in the eand of each line? |
| 21:40.07 | mtn | !debian-backports |
| 21:40.08 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 21:40.18 | trem0r | Should add backhoes |
| 21:40.42 | mtn | looks for a dictionary |
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| 21:57.14 | guardian | hello, is this enough to boot with auto url=http://example.com/preseed.cfg to have a fully automated install? |
| 21:58.33 | jhutchins | !preseed |
| 21:58.33 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 21:59.46 | guardian | in fact it seems to start in automated mode, then it asks for the root password while my preseed.cfg file contains passwd/root-password and passwd/root-password-again |
| 21:59.54 | guardian | and I quite don't know how to debug the thing |
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| 22:09.02 | mutilator | hey all, apt preferences |
| 22:09.13 | mutilator | the Pin: field, what are options other than release and origin? |
| 22:09.50 | mutilator | or i guess do you specify an origin of a locally built/installed package |
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| 22:11.00 | jhutchins | mutilator: The options are clean-reinstall-now or clean-reinstall-later |
| 22:11.16 | mutilator | .. |
| 22:11.17 | jhutchins | mutilator: pinning is generally a bad idea with anything lenny or later. |
| 22:11.32 | hassoon | what is the name of that package that fully activates the opengl rendering i na said machine |
| 22:11.36 | hassoon | that glx-related thing |
| 22:11.43 | hassoon | dpkg: glx |
| 22:11.44 | dpkg | GLX (OpenGL Extension to the X Window System) enables programs wanting to use <OpenGL> to do so, via a window provided by X Window System. http://web.archive.org/web/20080510115750/http://www.sgi.com/products/software/opensource/glx/ |
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| 22:11.51 | jhutchins | mutilator: Are you trying to get a tetsting package on stable? |
| 22:11.56 | hassoon | dpkg: libgl~ |
| 22:11.57 | dpkg | hassoon: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 22:12.01 | hassoon | bah sorry |
| 22:12.08 | mutilator | ok well other than in your opinion it being a bad idea does anyone else have a solution? |
| 22:12.19 | jhutchins | !frankendebian |
| 22:12.19 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 22:12.27 | mutilator | i already explained, i build a package from a source and i want that to take priority |
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| 22:12.55 | jhutchins | mutilator: Ah, I missed that part of your query. I'm not watching this 24/7. |
| 22:12.57 | jelly-home | guardian: #debian-boot ove ron irc.oftc.net is where d-i people hang out |
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| 22:13.01 | jhutchins | !pinning |
| 22:13.01 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 22:13.59 | jelly-home | mutilator: does your package version have a version larger than what's in distro repos? |
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| 22:14.25 | hassoon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:15.53 | mutilator | no, it's the same version |
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| 22:16.37 | jelly-home | mutilator: don't do that, apt doesn't deal well with two different builds with exact same version number. |
| 22:16.59 | jelly-home | either make it slightly lower or slightly higher |
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| 22:20.30 | rebauld | you edit your path and have your bin first |
| 22:20.38 | rebauld | or make a script |
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| 22:22.53 | eugenmayer | hello. Monitoring a LAMP stack with an application, a tomcat app and some other services, which tool would you choose to monitoriing ressource / load / memory usages of those specific process. Iam using icinga / monit for process status / selfhealing but i need tracking of usage |
| 22:23.04 | jelly-home | rebauld: this is a packaging issue, not binaries put manually in place |
| 22:23.23 | eugenmayer | (seen munin / cacti but seem to be pretty complicated for just moniirogin X specific processes ) |
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| 22:34.42 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Wouldn't be better to add something like bdo to the version? |
| 22:34.51 | soffio | hi, how can i understand why that package is not avaible on armel? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/weechat-curses |
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| 22:35.07 | jelly-home | jhutchins: I thought that's what I suggested. |
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| 22:35.41 | jhutchins | jelly-home: I mean a distinctive tag as opposed to just incrementing the version, maybe I misunderstood you. |
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| 22:36.59 | jelly-home | jhutchins: I said making it slightly lower or slightly higher. That is different from incrementing or decrementing. Appending ~foo makes it slightly lower, for example. |
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| 22:41.14 | ilhami | !composer |
| 22:41.25 | ilhami | ???? |
| 22:41.50 | jhutchins | ilhami: What about it? |
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| 22:42.04 | ilhami | I just wanted to see if you had a factoid about it. |
| 22:42.15 | jelly-home | ilhami: please use /msg dpkg stuff, next time |
| 22:42.41 | ilhami | but dpkg hasn't a clue about it heh |
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| 22:43.24 | ilhami | never mind. I found something. |
| 22:43.28 | jelly-home | was that funny? I can't tell |
| 22:43.44 | ilhami | jelly-home: I think it was. :-) |
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| 22:45.03 | jhutchins | ilhami: dpkg's factoids tend to be FAQs, and I don't think "composer" quite makes that line. |
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| 22:46.26 | kdeder | hi, what is better, intel or amd drivers (for integrated gpu) on mobo? |
| 22:46.39 | pum_baa | good evening :) |
| 22:46.40 | ilhami | jhutchins: never mind. It's installed. :) |
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| 22:47.07 | rebauld | kdeder: doesn't it actually depend on what chip you have there? you can't mix them |
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| 22:47.51 | jhutchins | kdeder: Do you have one of those dual-chip laptops? |
| 22:47.54 | jhutchins | !bumblebee |
| 22:47.54 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:48.09 | jhutchins | Hm, that's not AMD... |
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| 22:55.18 | rm-rf | So I installed systemd-sysv but dist-upgrade wants to replace it with the old sysvinit. |
| 22:55.21 | rm-rf | How can I prevent this? |
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| 22:55.24 | rm-rf | Debian Wheezy amd64. |
| 22:57.37 | jelly-home | how the hell did you manage to install systemd-sysv on wheezy |
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| 22:58.00 | jelly-home | ,v systemd-sysv |
| 22:58.01 | judd | Package: systemd-sysv on i386 -- wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; sid: 215-8; jessie: 215-8; experimental: 218-2 |
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| 23:01.42 | kdeder | jhutchins: no, I'm being asked to build a cheap system... they have a radeon hd 6450 card they can use though |
| 23:01.57 | kdeder | but, I don't know whether to recommend amd or intel cpu/mobo |
| 23:02.47 | kdeder | my own card is nvidia... so, I don't know how intel or amd graphics would be |
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| 23:05.40 | Shadow_7 | amd is better for 3D. nvidia is generally better for gaming uses. |
| 23:06.32 | Shadow_7 | intel on newer things isn't too horrid, but the old stuff is 2D only |
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| 23:09.29 | rebauld | libxaw3d.txt |
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| 23:09.45 | rebauld | looks good in only 2d - kinda makes up for older hardware |
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| 23:10.18 | ferni | umm.. "interl old stuff" like that laptop next to me that is like 10 years old and can do modern 3D desktop just fine :) |
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| 23:10.42 | Bartleby | Hey, I'm about to do a new debian install on a machine with an ssd (a thinkpad x220). Are there any warnings you all would care to give about setting up on an ssd? |
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| 23:13.56 | kdeder | so, is it either or? :) |
| 23:14.16 | kdeder | I guess amd open source drivers would be used so the comparison is with intel OSS |
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| 23:20.35 | child | how to keep running a script even if the pipe breaks at the ssh session? |
| 23:21.01 | rebauld | screen |
| 23:21.21 | cafuego | what he or she said |
| 23:21.32 | rebauld | it ? |
| 23:21.33 | child | I dont understand why screen |
| 23:21.41 | child | for me? |
| 23:22.07 | rebauld | yes |
| 23:22.17 | child | so how? |
| 23:22.54 | child | the machine is a server at the data center |
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| 23:23.13 | rebauld | are you the sysadmin? |
| 23:23.22 | child | yes too |
| 23:23.22 | cafuego | screen acts as a buffer, it keeps remote sessions goign when you disconnect and you can reconnect to it |
| 23:23.30 | Misbehavist | fuk screen yallz |
| 23:23.34 | cafuego | I think tmux is an alternative |
| 23:23.40 | Misbehavist | nohup ./lel & |
| 23:23.56 | Misbehavist | ;p |
| 23:23.57 | child | I thought screen would be just for sharing sessions |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | child: you sohuld almost always use screen when it matters |
| 23:24.02 | abrotman | Misbehavist: no, wrong |
| 23:24.07 | Misbehavist | k fine |
| 23:24.44 | Misbehavist | abrotman: y u pick bone w me |
| 23:24.45 | cafuego | child: nohup works *if* the script doesn't need any user input |
| 23:24.47 | Misbehavist | :\ |
| 23:25.10 | Misbehavist | abrotman: r u my mom? |
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| 23:25.44 | cafuego | abrotman++ |
| 23:26.26 | cafuego | Misbehavist: For the record "nohup works *if* the script doesn't need any user input" > "fuk screen yallz" |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | and if you lose the session, and you wanted to read the output, yet another problem |
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| 23:26.56 | abrotman | (assuming you didn't redirect it elsewhere) |
| 23:27.02 | Bartleby | What's the link to the jessie beta installer? |
| 23:27.17 | cafuego | abrotman: Nohup dumps that to the nohup.out file bu default, so that's fine |
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| 23:27.41 | cafuego | or is that just stdout, not stderr... i forget. |
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| 23:27.42 | abrotman | cafuego: only stdout though, right ? |
| 23:27.52 | abrotman | Bartleby: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:28.01 | cafuego | abrotman: stop making me read manpages :-P |
| 23:28.02 | Rad- | Does anyone know how to set up sendmail? |
| 23:28.09 | Bartleby | abrotman: Thanks |
| 23:28.22 | Rad- | I have a test PHP file that says mail is working, but I'm not actually getting an email. |
| 23:28.36 | cafuego | If standard error is a terminal, it is directed to the same place as the standard output. |
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| 23:28.47 | cafuego | abrotman: should work out of the box :-) |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | cafuego: I can't make anyone in here read man pages .. sadly |
| 23:29.02 | jelly-home | Rad-: do you need to send mail to local users, or just to somewhere remote? |
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| 23:29.21 | Rad- | jelly-home: remote. i need mybb to be able to send authentication emails to users |
| 23:29.32 | cafuego | Rad-: Install postfix or exim or even nullmailer, then the php mail() function works. |
| 23:29.37 | child | just now I understood the point of screen hahahaha |
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| 23:29.41 | child | how dumb am I |
| 23:29.50 | cafuego | Rad-: Don't install *actual* sendmail |
| 23:29.56 | jelly-home | Rad-: then install a null client like msmtp-mta or nullmailer and set it up to use a smarthost to send mail |
| 23:30.08 | jelly-home | ,v dma |
| 23:30.09 | judd | Package: dma on i386 -- squeeze: 0.0.2010.06.17-6; jessie: 0.9-1; sid: 0.9-1 |
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| 23:31.37 | jelly-home | child: not very dumb... I still don't understand how tty's work after 20 years with various unix systems |
| 23:32.06 | abrotman | jelly-home: you type, things go in .. |
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| 23:33.53 | child | jelly-home: haha I find it funny when we use something for a long time and realize after we dont know it fully |
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| 23:34.11 | dimitry7 | guys, may i enter recovery mode to modify fstab and skip fsck?? |
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| 23:36.04 | jelly-home | just this year I learned updating resolv.conf means nothing to running processes |
| 23:36.10 | Rad- | cafuego: oops. |
| 23:36.20 | rebauld | the postfix sendmail is good and even curl can send mail |
| 23:36.54 | jelly-home | postfix is a bit overkill if just sending mail to remote is what's needed |
| 23:37.03 | Rad- | i'm confused if jelly-home 's solution is compatible with exim or postfix |
| 23:37.41 | rebauld | postfix has it's own sendmail |
| 23:37.45 | jelly-home | Rad-: msmtp-mta replaces exim or postfix or sendmail, they all provide the same /usr/sbin/sendmail binary (and API) |
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| 23:38.14 | jelly-home | Rad-: when PHP says it needs sendmail, they mean they need _something_ to provide /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 23:38.19 | rebauld | how is postfix overkill |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | rebauld: because if all you need is a smarthost, postfix is overkill |
| 23:39.03 | jelly-home | rebauld: no need for port 25 or a full fledged queue or local delivery |
| 23:39.25 | cafuego | Rad-: what jelly-home suggested will be fine |
| 23:40.25 | Rad- | So exim, msmtp-mta, or postfix. |
| 23:40.29 | Rad- | Any recommendations? |
| 23:40.35 | cafuego | or nullmailer |
| 23:40.43 | Rad- | or do they all work the same |
| 23:40.44 | rjsalts | Rad-: one of those would be fine |
| 23:40.56 | Rad- | also apt-get will automatically remove conflicting packages right? |
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| 23:41.09 | cafuego | ya |
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| 23:41.43 | rjsalts | Rad-: what're your requirements? |
| 23:42.09 | jelly-home | judd: whatprovides mail-transfer-agent |
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| 23:42.26 | Rad- | rjsalts: that it sends mail |
| 23:42.27 | judd | No packages provide 'mail-transfer-agent' in wheezy/i386. |
| 23:42.38 | jelly-home | judd: whatprovides mail-transport-agent |
| 23:42.41 | judd | Package mail-transport-agent in wheezy/i386 is provided by: postfix, msmtp-mta, courier-mta, esmtp-run, lsb-invalid-mta, sendmail-bin, ssmtp, exim4-daemon-heavy, masqmail, xmail, citadel-mta, exim4-daemon-light, nullmailer, qmail-run. |
| 23:42.45 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 23:43.51 | rjsalts | lsb-invalid-mta sounds helpful ;) |
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| 23:43.58 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 23:44.02 | Rad- | cuz i installed sendmail boff what i had from google which installed sendmail-bin |
| 23:44.16 | Rad- | i guess i'll try.......... postfix? |
| 23:44.21 | cafuego | and that'll work |
| 23:44.25 | cafuego | IF you configure sendmial |
| 23:44.29 | someHuman | How do I install an .exe with Wine? |
| 23:44.34 | cafuego | amd configuring sendmail is the problem |
| 23:44.41 | someHuman | I don't see Wine when I right-click the .exe |
| 23:44.49 | cafuego | someHuman: wine foo.exe |
| 23:44.55 | Rad- | cafuego: ah |
| 23:45.11 | Rad- | so i guess apt-get -f install exim4-daemon-light then? |
| 23:45.23 | cafuego | Rad-: sure |
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| 23:46.05 | rjsalts | Rad-: postfix has a decent security architecture, is very flexible but will require you develop external plugins for some tasks |
| 23:46.27 | Rad- | rjsalts: what kind of tasks |
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| 23:47.10 | Rad- | sorry jelly-home what's mail-transport-agent? |
| 23:47.18 | rjsalts | Rad-: things like ratelimiting senders, spam scanning |
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| 23:47.39 | jelly-home | Rad-: ignore that. |
| 23:47.47 | Rad- | rjsalts: hopefully that won't be a problem. just a mybb board and i don't expect to recieve mail |
| 23:48.21 | Rad- | okay i just installed exim4-daemon-light. do i need to do any config or does it work right out of the box? |
| 23:49.01 | rjsalts | Rad-: there are some debconf questions which it will ask which should be enough to get basic functionality working |
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| 23:49.57 | Rad- | rjsalts: debconf? |
| 23:50.03 | Rad- | it didn't ask me any questions.. |
| 23:50.08 | Rad- | or let me figure otu what debconf is hang on |
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| 23:50.59 | Rad- | hm |
| 23:51.03 | rjsalts | Rad-: it's the thing that asks you questions when you install a package |
| 23:51.09 | Rad- | rjsalts: it didn't ask me any questions |
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| 23:53.29 | rjsalts | Rad-: you can do dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> and it will reprompt you. There are different priority levels for the questions, you can set it to never ask anything |
| 23:53.40 | cafuego | Rad-: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-config (I think) |
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| 23:53.57 | rjsalts | Rad-: and exim config is actually in exim4-daemon-config as cafuego says |
| 23:54.01 | Rad- | -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 23:54.12 | Rad- | i'm guessing this is where i apt-get install debconf? |
| 23:54.12 | cafuego | Rad-: as root |
| 23:54.37 | cafuego | Rad-: That should be installed by default, you didn't remove it did you? |
| 23:55.03 | Rad- | oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:55.08 | rjsalts | I don't think it's possible to remove debconf without seriously damaging your install |
| 23:55.09 | Rad- | it was set up to do local delivery only |
| 23:55.34 | rjsalts | Rad-: yes, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-config should let you change that |
| 23:55.34 | Rad- | although i still don't really know what a smarthost is |
| 23:55.43 | Rad- | i'm guessing i can select "mail sent by smarthost, no local mail" ? |
| 23:55.54 | rjsalts | Rad-: it's a mail server your isp runs to let you send out email |
| 23:56.05 | Rad- | or do i select "internet site, mail is sent and recieved directly using SMTP" |
| 23:56.06 | rjsalts | Rad-: or possibly your mail provider |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | well, not always your ISP .. but a 'legit" mail server |
| 23:56.30 | Rad- | er. my server is on digitalocean? |
| 23:57.00 | *** join/#debian jzmck (519be1d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.155.225.210) |
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| 23:57.10 | Rad- | do i have a SMTP server ? |
| 23:57.14 | Rad- | as in does exim4 install one? |
| 23:57.46 | rjsalts | so if you're not sending or receiving mail directly, but instead have an imap/pop/... account on some other server, and they give you access to a server which you relay through, either doing pop before smtp or using a username and password |
| 23:57.55 | rjsalts | Rad-: then you want the smarthost option |
| 23:58.36 | rjsalts | Rad-: if you are intending to send directly to the recipient's mail servers then internet site would work fine |
| 23:58.36 | Rad- | er. sorry. having a bit of english trouble. i want to send mail directly from my server. that's still the smarthost option but no local mail right? |
| 23:58.46 | Rad- | oh okay i'll choose internet site |
| 23:59.16 | rebauld | Rad-: you need an smtp server to send email |
| 23:59.38 | Rad- | rebauld: does exim4 come with one? |
| 23:59.41 | rebauld | sendmail just sends the email to an smtp server |