| 00:00.22 | rebauld | the server is what sends the email |
| 00:00.27 | rjsalts | Rad-: but you'll obviously be responsible for preventing spam and have to deal with any of the consequences of faulty scripts being exploited, user's passwords being stolen, etc. |
| 00:00.31 | rebauld | i don't know exim4 |
| 00:00.44 | rjsalts | Rad-: exim is an email server |
| 00:00.50 | rebauld | yea i know |
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| 00:01.15 | rebauld | Rad-: do you have a web host somewhere? |
| 00:01.17 | rjsalts | rebauld: it does everything sendmail can do, without the sendmail.cf config file |
| 00:01.34 | Rad- | rebauld: i'm hosted on digitalocean |
| 00:02.15 | rebauld | Rad-: question how do you plan to create the email you want to send |
| 00:02.26 | Rad- | rebauld: on the server hopefully |
| 00:02.30 | rebauld | how |
| 00:02.45 | rebauld | in an email client? in a text file? on cli? |
| 00:02.58 | Rad- | hopefully mybb autocreates according to who's email is on the "site admin" part |
| 00:04.10 | rebauld | if i understand - use php mail() on your host to use your digitalocean smtp server to send out your email |
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| 00:04.53 | Rad- | rebauld: mybb defaults to php mail() |
| 00:05.05 | Rad- | let me figure out what digital ocean's smtp server is if at all |
| 00:05.41 | rebauld | do you have an email client on your computer that sends email to it? |
| 00:05.54 | Rad- | rebauld: no |
| 00:05.55 | Rad- | also |
| 00:05.56 | Rad- | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/enabling-email-smtp-service |
| 00:05.57 | Rad- | ? |
| 00:06.01 | rebauld | it should be default on your host anyway |
| 00:06.03 | Rad- | i think that's the equivalent of what i've just done |
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| 00:06.11 | rebauld | do you have ssh access? |
| 00:06.26 | Rad- | yes |
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| 00:06.45 | Rad- | sorry rebauld i usually use a webhost and not a vps. |
| 00:06.47 | rebauld | then run your php mail() from a php program on the cli until you do it |
| 00:07.35 | Rad- | until i do what? |
| 00:07.56 | rebauld | if (mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers)) |
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| 00:08.01 | Rad- | http://u.mixomuse.net/mail-test.php |
| 00:08.04 | rebauld | until you do it correctly |
| 00:08.05 | Rad- | that's what that script does |
| 00:08.21 | rebauld | then what is your error |
| 00:08.27 | Rad- | rebauld: which contains this code: http://docs.mybb.com/1.8/faq/mail/ |
| 00:08.56 | rebauld | right that is all you need |
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| 00:09.14 | Rad- | but i'm not getting an email |
| 00:09.16 | Rad- | >.> |
| 00:09.53 | rebauld | check you logs |
| 00:10.59 | rebauld | /var/log/maillog |
| 00:12.08 | rebauld | remove the error_reporting line unless you know where it is logging |
| 00:12.25 | Rad- | i found /var/log/mail.log |
| 00:12.26 | Rad- | and |
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| 00:12.44 | Rad- | http://pastebin.com/Cr4CKZcU |
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| 00:13.00 | ilhami | how do I do calculations from the terminal? |
| 00:13.12 | Rad- | i think i can fix the first and second error. how do you fix the las tone |
| 00:13.48 | abrotman | ilhami: what type? |
| 00:14.05 | Rad- | oh |
| 00:14.09 | Rad- | i ned a fully qualified domain name |
| 00:14.12 | Rad- | er |
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| 00:14.17 | Rad- | time to learn how to set up email i guess |
| 00:14.59 | Rad- | welp i gotta go eat dinner i'll try again after and maybe i'll be back here. thanks for the help guys |
| 00:15.00 | ilhami | abrotman: just subtraction additions |
| 00:15.07 | ilhami | multiplication etc |
| 00:15.20 | ilhami | or what you call arithmetic operators |
| 00:16.39 | ilhami | never mind abrotman |
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| 00:16.46 | ilhami | I can just do echo $(()) |
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| 00:17.56 | rebauld_ | hostname not set up in /etc/hosts? |
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| 00:18.36 | rebauld_ | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost debian |
| 00:18.47 | rebauld_ | with the debian to your mxmouse thing |
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| 00:21.20 | dark__ | hey, what's the best way to get up-to-date packages on debian 7? |
| 00:21.36 | ilhami | sudo apt-get update ? |
| 00:21.39 | ilhami | dark__: |
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| 00:21.56 | rjsalts | dark__: then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:22.02 | dark__ | no I mean like actual recent updates |
| 00:22.12 | dark__ | I just updated and installed git and it's on v1.7 |
| 00:22.23 | dark__ | I'd expect at least v2 |
| 00:22.24 | rjsalts | dark__: you mean you want a more recent version of some software? |
| 00:22.32 | rjsalts | dark__: try backports |
| 00:22.33 | ilhami | dark__: did you update before installing? |
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| 00:22.48 | dark__ | of all software, like an unstable repo or something |
| 00:23.06 | dark__ | I just installed debian 7 on my vps, did update, upgrade, then install git |
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| 00:23.23 | abrotman | dark__: jessie/sid have no security support, not the best idea on a VPS |
| 00:23.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dark__ about wheezy-backports |
| 00:23.42 | dark__ | it doesn't need to be super secure though |
| 00:24.02 | abrotman | ... |
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| 00:26.37 | dark__ | actually, is debian the right distro for me? it's really a personal vps, sure it needs to be secure, but I'd rather have up-to-date packages than ultimate security |
| 00:27.30 | ilhami | dark__: just use the new version. |
| 00:27.36 | abrotman | ilhami: do not say that .. |
| 00:27.44 | ilhami | why not? |
| 00:27.51 | ilhami | the new stable version* |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | that's not what he's asking for |
| 00:28.10 | dark__ | I don't want years old software |
| 00:28.11 | abrotman | dark__: that's up to you, many people use stable+backports to get some newer packages |
| 00:28.25 | dark__ | lemme take a look at backports then |
| 00:28.34 | ilhami | abrotman: so you didnt think he should upgrade? |
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| 00:28.43 | abrotman | ilhami: you're missing the questoin |
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| 00:29.02 | child | how can I make this permission be like the second drwxr-sr-x drwxrwsr-x |
| 00:29.08 | child | ? |
| 00:29.14 | dark__ | g+s |
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| 00:30.59 | dark__ | btw what *exactly* does dist-upgrade do? |
| 00:31.00 | child | which is? |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | dark__: the man pages cover this .. |
| 00:31.14 | dark__ | child: chmod g+s filename |
| 00:31.17 | dark__ | ah right |
| 00:31.18 | rebauld_ | chmod 775 dir ; chmod g+s dir |
| 00:31.21 | child | upgrade the distro? |
| 00:31.22 | ilhami | dark__: it upgrades your dist. :) |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | ilhami: no, it doesn't |
| 00:32.15 | ilhami | yes it does. |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
| 00:32.52 | ilhami | so what does it do smartass? |
| 00:33.02 | abrotman | ilhami: man apt-get .. read for yourself |
| 00:33.20 | ilhami | it upgrades the packages at least. |
| 00:34.54 | dark__ | so how do I activate backports? |
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| 00:35.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dark__ about wheezy-backports |
| 00:35.41 | ilhami | abrotman: you tell him. |
| 00:36.13 | dark__ | I got that part, but I don't want to put -t wheezy-backports after each command |
| 00:36.21 | Devastator | ... |
| 00:36.32 | phogg | dark__: Lazy? You can set up a shell alias or function |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | dark__: you could try playing with pinning .. but you really do what that -t |
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| 00:36.42 | dark__ | is that really the best way to solve? |
| 00:36.50 | dark__ | why do I need to use -t? |
| 00:37.13 | ilhami | if you want to upgrade to a new release you can use sudo do-release-upgrade, right? |
| 00:37.22 | ilhami | newer* |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:37.31 | abrotman | again .. |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | ilhami: perhaps you want #ubuntu? |
| 00:37.44 | ilhami | so why not? |
| 00:37.53 | ilhami | so how would you do it with debian? |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | you'd read the release notes for starters |
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| 00:39.11 | ilhami | aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 00:39.15 | dark__ | any explanation on why -t is neccessary? |
| 00:39.16 | rjsalts | dark__: man 5 apt_preferences and the section on "APT's Default Priority Assignments" explain |
| 00:39.21 | ilhami | abrotman: |
| 00:39.36 | dark__ | thank you |
| 00:39.54 | rjsalts | dark__: basically you don't want every package from backports, just the ones where a newer version is important to you |
| 00:39.55 | ctmjr | dark__: read the man page for apt-get |
| 00:40.05 | aaron83 | he there |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | dark__: -t specifies which target release you want |
| 00:40.19 | rjsalts | dark__: because backports is done on a best effort approach in regards to security support as well |
| 00:41.08 | ilhami | abrotman: was that command correct? |
| 00:41.33 | aaron83 | i need erase the message after login that inform a kind ok uname and lastlogin..any idea?..i touch issue and motd but continue last loging and uname see after user login |
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| 00:41.58 | ilhami | when is next version of debian coming out? |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | when RC bugs reach 0 |
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| 00:42.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell aaron83 about motd |
| 00:42.52 | ilhami | what's the next version going to be called? |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | Jessie |
| 00:43.24 | aaron83 | motd message erased and personalize but uname and last login does not affect! |
| 00:43.25 | ilhami | Why these weird names like jessie and wheezy? |
| 00:43.34 | phogg | ilhami: Historical reasons. |
| 00:43.36 | bazhang | toy story |
| 00:43.46 | ilhami | bazhang: are you also here? |
| 00:43.47 | ilhami | :S |
| 00:44.02 | bazhang | the names are taken from toy story |
| 00:44.20 | ilhami | oh ok. I think I have seen it before.. at least one of them when I was a kid. |
| 00:44.26 | phogg | ilhami: some of the people working on the movie Toy Story were also early Debian people.... specifically Bruce Perens, I believe. |
| 00:44.39 | ilhami | phogg: aha. ok |
| 00:44.46 | bazhang | thought it was pixar |
| 00:45.02 | phogg | bazhang: Toy Story was by Pixar, yes |
| 00:45.15 | bazhang | and he worked for pixar |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | !history |
| 00:45.29 | dpkg | i guess debian history is http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version. |
| 00:45.58 | aaron83 | another dude..i have configured a lshell enviroment...and declared personalice command to exec after user login...but there some default command that never dissapear like clear exit help history lpath |
| 00:46.37 | aaron83 | anyone have configured lshell? |
| 00:46.50 | dark__ | okay so wheezy-backports is still too old for me |
| 00:46.54 | dark__ | guess debian's just not for me |
| 00:46.59 | abrotman | dark__: That's quite possible |
| 00:47.13 | rebauld_ | dark__: what app is causing you the heartache? |
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| 00:47.45 | ilhami | dark__: dude |
| 00:47.46 | dark__ | the three I've tried so far (git, zsh, vim) are all outdated |
| 00:47.48 | ilhami | debian is for everybody. |
| 00:47.59 | dark__ | actually backports does provide the newest vim |
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| 00:48.04 | rebauld_ | what would it matter if they are? |
| 00:48.15 | dark__ | but still git 1.9 and zsh 4.3 |
| 00:48.19 | rebauld_ | there are no expolits for them |
| 00:48.31 | rebauld_ | if you had an old bash i could understand |
| 00:48.32 | ilhami | dark__: what is the newest git version? |
| 00:48.40 | dark__ | for instance, git 2.2 config files aren't compatible with 1.9 |
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| 00:48.49 | dark__ | I'm sure I'll run into more problems later, as I'veh ad before |
| 00:49.10 | ilhami | dark__: but you could probably do a workaround and add a package with 2.2 that works on debian? maybe install git from source |
| 00:49.13 | dark__ | I don't need ultimate security |
| 00:49.17 | rebauld_ | so remove the git you have and do the source if you are so concerned |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dark__ about ssb |
| 00:49.27 | dark__ | I don't want to do this with every package |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dark__ about uupdate |
| 00:49.47 | ilhami | abrotman: typo |
| 00:49.54 | rebauld_ | do you not think that the debian people would do their best not to have an unsecure os out there? |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | ilhami: no, I didn't |
| 00:50.07 | phogg | dark__: For rare cases where a newer version is really needed you can always install it separately, as a last resort compiling it yourself. Consider Debian the "99% solution" and everything you need beyond what it provides is just a bit more work. |
| 00:50.08 | rebauld_ | i know they are still doing squeeze with lts |
| 00:50.09 | ilhami | so it is uupdate*? |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:50.17 | dark__ | I know debian is trying to be secure as possible, and I respect that |
| 00:50.21 | aaron83 | i dont want be a troll but systemd stick!..i desagree the way that make developers about that..debian is my favorit distro |
| 00:50.21 | dark__ | it's just not what I want |
| 00:50.22 | abrotman | rebauld_: they are, but not for all packages |
| 00:50.32 | ilhami | abrotman: you wrote uupdate and not update so thought it was a type |
| 00:50.33 | ilhami | o |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | aaron83: well, that's the way it's going .. you can try to use Debian without it, or find a new distro |
| 00:50.53 | dark__ | guess I'll try out another distro |
| 00:51.20 | ilhami | dark__: try Ubuntu. I am sure they have a newer version? :d |
| 00:51.23 | abrotman | dark__: good luck |
| 00:51.44 | ilhami | just install the ubuntu server* |
| 00:51.52 | aaron83 | t was really sad fot me if i haver to migrate to another distro for systemd..must be a fork or someting |
| 00:51.52 | dark__ | I probably will end up using ubuntu server again |
| 00:51.59 | dark__ | even though I disagree with canonical |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | ilhami: if you'd like to support Ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu |
| 00:52.02 | ilhami | so you avoid all the crap that comes with ubuntu desktop. |
| 00:52.12 | aaron83 | ubuntu piajj! |
| 00:52.19 | ilhami | abrotman: Ubuntu is debian based |
| 00:52.28 | abrotman | ilhami: it's offtopic here |
| 00:52.33 | ilhami | ok. |
| 00:52.41 | ilhami | are you the chanowner? |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | aaron83: most major distros are switching to systemd. |
| 00:52.47 | dark__ | ..he suggested something, how is that a bad thing? |
| 00:53.07 | ilhami | who is chan owner in here? |
| 00:53.14 | rjsalts | dark__: it's not primarily about security, it's about stability of interface over the lifetime of stable |
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| 00:53.35 | dark__ | and incompatibility with newer software |
| 00:53.49 | bazhang | ask chanserv ilhami |
| 00:54.20 | aaron83 | abrotman its true, but by default? |
| 00:54.29 | dark__ | okay maybe that was unneccessary but my point still stands |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | aaron83: From what I understand, yes. |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | aaron83: There may be workarounds, but it seems to be the way things are going. |
| 00:54.57 | dark__ | I think there should at least be a way to install newer software |
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| 00:55.02 | abrotman | dark__: there is, the bot told you |
| 00:55.13 | dark__ | backports still doesn't provide git 2.x |
| 00:55.23 | dark__ | or zsh 5.x |
| 00:55.50 | rebauld_ | what reason do you have for git 2.x or zsh 5.x? |
| 00:55.51 | abrotman | dark__: the bot gave you an option |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | dark__: it may or may not work, but it's an option |
| 00:56.10 | aaron83 | and the slogan "do it a thing right" go where?? |
| 00:56.28 | dark__ | for git, it's compatability with dotfiles |
| 00:56.48 | dark__ | I don't want to separate dotfiles for these tools between my desktop/laptop and my vps |
| 00:57.04 | abrotman | dark__: have you read what the bot told you yet? |
| 00:57.07 | dark__ | it's a personal vps, not a strictly server one |
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| 00:57.11 | dark__ | for the tenth time, yes |
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| 00:57.24 | aaron83 | hey no one work with lshell here? |
| 00:57.39 | dark__ | and I don't want to do tons of work to install a package when I can just apt-get it with, say, ubuntu |
| 00:57.40 | rebauld_ | kshell mshell ... nope no lshell |
| 00:57.43 | aspect | any reason dark__ shouldn't be using testing? |
| 00:57.57 | dark__ | testing? |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | aspect: it's a public VPS |
| 00:58.15 | aspect | "public"? |
| 00:58.22 | abrotman | has a publicly routable IP address |
| 00:58.23 | aaron83 | i try to restrict user command exec.... |
| 00:58.38 | dark__ | so? my home has a publicly routable IP address |
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| 00:58.55 | rjsalts | and is running services that're for the general public |
| 00:58.57 | aspect | testing increases the attack surface of the tcp stack that much? |
| 00:58.59 | abrotman | dark__: your home has a firewall |
| 00:59.08 | abrotman | aspect: no, it has no security support (directly anyway) |
| 00:59.21 | rjsalts | presumably |
| 00:59.34 | rebauld_ | type 1 if you are |
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| 00:59.50 | rebauld_ | has to rescue someone on his bucket list |
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| 01:00.11 | dark__ | abrotman: can you explain how I'd be in trouble with recent software? |
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| 01:00.22 | aspect | okay, I see your point. Thanks for a concise explanation :-). |
| 01:00.29 | rebauld_ | sorry wrong channel |
| 01:00.31 | dark__ | I understand that there are some security issues but I wonder how exactly those work |
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| 01:00.57 | dark__ | and how a firewall would protect against them |
| 01:01.12 | rjsalts | dark__: the problem is that if a bug is discovered in some software in testing then there is no effort to get a patch out within a timely manner |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | dark__: for instance, the ntpd bug, I don't have a fix yet, wheezy does |
| 01:01.54 | rjsalts | dark__: you're waiting for the 5 days if there are no problems between the upload to unstable and migration to testing |
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| 01:02.42 | rjsalts | dark__: which can be further delayed if there are other bugs in the newer version going into unstable that fixes the security vulnerability |
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| 01:04.18 | dark__ | abrotman: what ntpd bug? |
| 01:04.26 | rjsalts | https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3108 |
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| 01:05.39 | rjsalts | it was actually 4 bugs |
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| 01:06.27 | abrotman | one is a remote issue, IIRC |
| 01:06.29 | dark__ | and how much would these bugs be exploited? I doubt I'm at risk with a not-well known vps |
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| 01:06.42 | abrotman | dark__: have you checked your ssh logs ? |
| 01:07.05 | rjsalts | you're at risk if you have an ntp server listening on a publicly routeable ip |
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| 01:08.42 | rjsalts | There are people who've written scanners that can take a survey of the whole internet within 6 minutes |
| 01:09.02 | Bartleby | Is there anything really urgent I should keep in mind installing on a new computer with an ssd? |
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| 01:09.41 | rjsalts | Bartleby: TRIM doesn't get turned on by default |
| 01:10.13 | Bartleby | Uh, how do I make sure of that? |
| 01:10.49 | rebauld_ | rjsalts: can you support that 6 minute claim |
| 01:11.26 | dark__ | abrotman: no, but how is that relevant? |
| 01:11.47 | rjsalts | Bartleby: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization?action=show&redirect=SSDoptimization |
| 01:12.00 | rjsalts | rebauld_: https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | dark__: your ssh logs? |
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| 01:13.12 | dark__ | yes |
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| 01:14.37 | rebauld_ | 10 million packets per second. i guarantee you there aren't many single computers that can do that |
| 01:14.53 | rebauld_ | but thanks - he has always done some great things |
| 01:15.01 | Bartleby | Is there anything there I should I keep in mind specifically while installing, as opposed to setting as an option afterwards? |
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| 01:15.39 | rjsalts | rebauld_: he's using a tcp/ip stack in userspace, so he can cheat |
| 01:16.18 | rjsalts | Bartleby: Just the stuff about partitions and alignment in that article |
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| 01:16.52 | rjsalts | Bartleby: which is moot for wheezy and later |
| 01:17.25 | nkf1 | Bartleby: Partition the way you'll want it later - that's hard to change, also be careful which installation packs you choose, as I don't believe they are listed that way anywhere else, and it's a pain to add/remove all of the contained packages later |
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| 01:18.25 | rebauld_ | didn/7 |
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| 01:19.01 | nkf1 | Also, don't try doing a standard install ONTO a flash drive - those often (if not always) fail. |
| 01:19.25 | SirLagz | nkf1: depends on the quality of the flash drive |
| 01:20.14 | SirLagz | nkf1: I've got a couple that's lasted more than a year |
| 01:20.32 | nkf1 | I meant it doesn't even install in the first place |
| 01:20.37 | nkf1 | although that must be false too |
| 01:20.41 | nkf1 | if you got it to work |
| 01:20.49 | nkf1 | in my experience, it failed to install the bootloader |
| 01:20.53 | nkf1 | although that was on PowerPC |
| 01:21.02 | SirLagz | nkf1: worked fine for me on my x86 boxes |
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| 01:21.16 | SirLagz | nkf1: I killed a couple of generic USB keys *very* quickly though |
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| 01:22.47 | SirLagz | if you're installing onto a USB flash drive, make sure it's a good quality one, and then also mount the stuff like /var/logs on ramdisk. |
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| 01:23.33 | Bartleby | So, for a 128GB ssd, what sizes would you recommend for "/" "/home" "/data" and swap? This is the scheme I've come to like in previous installs. |
| 01:25.04 | nkf1 | Bartleby: how much RAM do you have |
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| 01:26.16 | Bartleby | 4GB |
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| 01:30.13 | Bartleby | Oh, the other thing that might be relevant is that the device uses UEFI, and I'm not entirely sure what I need to do because of that. |
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| 01:32.47 | nkf1 | Alright, I'm probably not qualified to answer that completely, but are you dual booting with Mac OS? |
| 01:34.04 | Bartleby | Nope. It's a thinkpad x220, I just got it today with windows preinstalled, and I only want to run debian. |
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| 01:34.31 | nkf1 | Ok. |
| 01:34.36 | Wraith- | files 32 bits no run in 64 bits os ? |
| 01:34.43 | SirLagz | Wraith-: they should do |
| 01:35.45 | Wraith- | files 32 bits no run in 64 bits os ? |
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| 01:39.07 | Wraith- | SirLagz, what i do to run it ? ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, not stripped |
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| 01:39.42 | pingfloyd | Wraith-: usually you need 32-bit libs installed |
| 01:40.10 | pingfloyd | I think there is a meta package iirc |
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| 01:41.44 | Wraith- | pingfloyd, what package ? |
| 01:42.04 | ctmjr | !multiarch |
| 01:42.04 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 01:47.44 | Bartleby | nkf1: Is that 'Ok' as in "it's ok then, everything's rosy" or "ok, let me think about this a bit"? |
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| 01:52.20 | Bartleby | I'm kinda stuck at the partitioning stage because I'm not sure whether I need a special partition to appease the uefi boot loader. |
| 01:53.34 | ilhami | :-) |
| 01:54.41 | dark__ | so a friend just told me about sid which appears to be pretty much exactly what I want |
| 01:54.48 | dark__ | thanks for nothing I guess |
| 01:55.32 | rebauld_ | you are very welcome |
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| 01:58.09 | abrotman | Who needs security support for a public server .. |
| 01:58.16 | SirLagz | no one ! |
| 01:58.24 | Devastator | abrotman it's a PERSONAL server hahah |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | who needs stability? |
| 01:58.42 | SirLagz | no one ! |
| 01:59.01 | Devastator | please note his ip, I bet he will come back here with a non working system |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | wait til he finds out about "slushy" |
| 02:00.04 | SirLagz | abrotman: what's slushy ? |
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| 02:01.16 | ctmjr | what's another zombie in a world full of them |
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| 02:02.02 | abrotman | dpkg: flw70 is <reply>21:00 -!- dark__ [~dark@D97BF48B.cm-3-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #debian ["oh no im hacked because I used sid!!!"] |
| 02:02.02 | dpkg | ...but flw70 is already something else... |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | grrr |
| 02:02.37 | SirLagz | lol |
| 02:02.39 | SirLagz | what's flw ? |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | famous last words |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:03.01 | dpkg | <belracu> there is no ignorance in linux ... every thing is open |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
| 02:03.16 | SirLagz | ah |
| 02:03.19 | SirLagz | !flw |
| 02:03.23 | SirLagz | aww :( lol |
| 02:03.33 | SirLagz | !flw |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | too soon |
| 02:03.33 | dpkg | it has been said that flw60 is <Elite> I just use skill -KILL -u root and now I can't ssh to my serer, did I do wrong? |
| 02:03.36 | SirLagz | ah |
| 02:03.37 | SirLagz | yya |
| 02:03.39 | SirLagz | yay* |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | also, someone did it wrong .. grrr |
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| 02:07.26 | pingfloyd | Sounds like you killed a processes running by root, such as the sshd |
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| 02:07.39 | pingfloyd | All* |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | pingfloyd: you missed the humor ... |
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| 02:08.16 | pingfloyd | You mean the irony of using skill to begin with? |
| 02:08.43 | SirLagz | abrotman: flw is awesome lol. |
| 02:09.00 | SirLagz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.04 | SirLagz | bahahaha |
| 02:09.59 | vook | how long will debian wheezy likely receive security updates? |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | vook: one year following the release of jessie |
| 02:10.43 | abrotman | vook: they may or may not extend certain parts of it with an LTS approach, but you probably wouldn't want to stake your job on that |
| 02:10.44 | SirLagz | unless wheezy goes down the same route as squeeze |
| 02:11.33 | vook | that puts the end of support probably around spring or summer of 2016 I guess. A short life for the server I'm planning to set up. |
| 02:12.20 | pingfloyd | vook: you can always dist-upgrade when that time comes. |
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| 02:13.35 | vook | can be messy on a production system. I'd almost rather start from testing, but that's messy too. |
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| 02:14.33 | SirLagz | I wonder what would happen to my testing boxes when testing becomes stable... |
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| 02:14.44 | SirLagz | I'd assume they'd just be the stable boxes then |
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| 02:15.12 | vook | SirLagz: not if you have "testing" in your sources.list. Make sure to change that to "jessie" if you want to stay at jessie |
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| 02:15.16 | pingfloyd | You're supposed to do a dist-upgrade from stable to testing if you want testing anyway |
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| 02:16.01 | SirLagz | vook: well yeah, that much is obvious lol |
| 02:16.40 | vook | pingfloyd: so the testing netinst's are not advised? |
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| 02:17.09 | pingfloyd | Debian recommends not using testing install image |
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| 02:17.45 | veek | how do normal users run Xorg/startx. i did a dpkg reconfigure and set it to "everybody" but it doesn't work |
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| 02:21.12 | Rad- | Hey sorry for being back so late. |
| 02:22.14 | pingfloyd | Rad-: how dare you! |
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| 02:22.27 | Rad- | pingfloyd: sorry |
| 02:22.35 | Rad- | still trying to figure out how to set up mail on debian >.> |
| 02:22.43 | pingfloyd | Being late for irc is inexcusable young man |
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| 02:23.02 | pingfloyd | Rad-: I'm kidding |
| 02:23.40 | Rad- | i know i'm just going along with it |
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| 02:25.19 | Rad- | so i can technically send mail through my gmail account |
| 02:25.25 | Rad- | although i'm not using my gmail account |
| 02:25.28 | Rad- | can i still use exim through gmail? |
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| 02:32.48 | Rad- | Because I'm not getting errors anymore but |
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| 02:50.12 | dgriffi | any of you guys use eprom programmers regularly? |
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| 03:02.32 | Tr0gd0r | Any idea why df -h would report a number that doesnt make sense? It reports that my drive is 915G with 48G used, however only 822G is available. 915-48=867. Where did my other 45G go? |
| 03:02.36 | Tr0gd0r | http://pastebin.com/XjdB8yHR |
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| 03:04.46 | veek | any how to configure Xorg on wheezy as a non-root user, with no xdm. If i +s Xorg then xterm bitches about running as root but if i don't +s, then Xorg complains about being unable to write to /var/log |
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| 03:05.21 | SirLagz | veek: why no xdm ? |
| 03:05.36 | twinkie | hi |
| 03:06.02 | rebauld | what are your permissions/owner on /var/log |
| 03:06.21 | veek | SirLagz: i normally login and have it autostart (i use olvwm) it's an old box and 've used this setup for 10+ years so.. |
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| 03:07.11 | SirLagz | veek: I see |
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| 03:07.53 | veek | i also get this error: xf860OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) |
| 03:08.05 | veek | if i set -logfile /tmp/xxx |
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| 03:11.05 | pingfloyd | Is your xinitrc messed up or something? |
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| 03:11.29 | pingfloyd | Normally you should be able run startx as a normal user |
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| 03:14.55 | veek | startx olvwm -- -config xorg.conf; when i start it using elevated privileges it doesn't take the home_dir cfg file |
| 03:15.00 | veek | any way to fix that |
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| 03:15.59 | pingfloyd | I usually invoke the wm and xclients from ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:16.52 | veek | what's the 'config search path' |
| 03:16.58 | pingfloyd | Maybe your wm isn't starting and it is falling back to starting xterm |
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| 03:17.38 | pingfloyd | Seems like it when xterm is running as root when you setuid root on xorg |
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| 03:18.06 | veek | nope it's working now with +s set.. but what's the 'config search path' for X |
| 03:18.30 | veek | /usr/lib/X11.. hang on |
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| 03:20.26 | sydney | Thank you all for your help earlier today!!! |
| 03:20.41 | sydney | I am sucessfully running debian jessie!! :D |
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| 03:21.36 | Bartleby | I figured as much. |
| 03:21.44 | Bartleby | mischat |
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| 03:22.32 | Bartleby | syndney: Running it successfully isn't the hard part. Crashing it, and getting back up successfully is the trick. |
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| 03:24.14 | rebauld | dd the whole drive to a backup |
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| 03:28.03 | Bartleby | If maintaining a separate partition with stable running is also a good bet. If a rampant bug destroys your workflow, you always have a reliable backup option. |
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| 03:38.56 | ImpulseFG | does anyone know how I could download systemd sources v215-479-gdced155 |
| 03:39.03 | ImpulseFG | i think I need to use git for this |
| 03:39.11 | ImpulseFG | this version isn't listed in the package tree |
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| 03:39.35 | SirLagz | ImpulseFG: I'm sure #systemd would be able to tell you for sure |
| 03:39.43 | SirLagz | It sounds like you need git for it though |
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| 03:39.55 | SirLagz | probably need to pull down a certain commit |
| 03:39.58 | ImpulseFG | \msg SirLagz they are the ones that told me to download that version |
| 03:40.23 | tm512 | hmm, they use git. at least they do one thing right. |
| 03:40.29 | SirLagz | tm512: hahaha |
| 03:40.35 | ImpulseFG | "<uau> you could build a backport of a newer systemd version instead, or backport the change v215-479-gdced155 to make v215 build with old headers" |
| 03:40.39 | ImpulseFG | from yesterday |
| 03:41.00 | ImpulseFG | i tried the newer version 218 and it throws errors on wheezy too |
| 03:41.01 | SirLagz | ImpulseFG: have you asked them how to download that particular change ? |
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| 03:42.45 | ImpulseFG | >uau< I'm still trying to figure out how to get v215-479-gdced115 |
| 03:42.45 | ImpulseFG | >uau< kinda knew to working with debian sources, learning about gi |
| 03:42.58 | ImpulseFG | which was the last message there for 8 hours yesterday |
| 03:43.06 | ImpulseFG | I will go back over there and ask that specific question |
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| 03:43.51 | ImpulseFG | i thought it might be "obvious" to most debian users |
| 03:44.47 | SirLagz | l/win 16 |
| 03:44.49 | SirLagz | oops |
| 03:45.12 | SirLagz | ImpulseFG: I'd google `git pull from github` then |
| 03:45.19 | SirLagz | ImpulseFG: I'm still learning git myself |
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| 03:45.59 | tm512 | git clone gets the initial repository |
| 03:46.10 | tm512 | gdced155 is a changeset hash |
| 03:46.27 | ImpulseFG | well being direct worked |
| 03:46.29 | tm512 | so after git clone, then you can cd into that directory and do git checkout gdced155 |
| 03:46.31 | ImpulseFG | "git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd ; git checkout gdced115" |
| 03:46.55 | SirLagz | ImpulseFG: being direct as in just asking #systemd how to get that commit ? |
| 03:49.03 | ImpulseFG | i actually did most of this yesterday, but did "git checkout v215-479-gdced115 which got me nothing |
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| 03:52.45 | tm512 | ImpulseFG: that command would have tried to checkout a tag named v215-479-gdced115 |
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| 03:54.16 | tm512 | but v215-479-gdced115 is just an autogenerated version string |
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| 03:55.30 | ImpulseFG | error: pathspec 'gdced115' did not match any file(s) known to git. |
| 03:56.03 | tm512 | hrm. well duh, g isn't a hex digit. didn't notice that earlier |
| 03:56.05 | tm512 | remove the g |
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| 04:07.28 | tm512 | someone found IRC for the first time |
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| 04:52.18 | ROG3R | How do I check if my SSD supports DRAT or DZAT ? |
| 04:54.08 | Rusty1 | ROG3R: might ask ##hardware on freenode |
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| 05:38.27 | superrorc | will IKEv2 with RSA and PSK working on android? want to setup strongswan + l2tp(encapsulated with ppp??) ) |
| 05:39.16 | Bluewolf | Wht command can I use to reveiw my entire hardware? |
| 05:39.29 | Bluewolf | *review |
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| 05:40.34 | SirLagz | Bluewolf: review ? or view ? |
| 05:40.50 | Bluewolf | View |
| 05:40.55 | SirLagz | lshw ? |
| 05:41.50 | Bluewolf | SirLagz: As is? |
| 05:42.02 | ferni | dmidecode |
| 05:42.11 | SirLagz | Bluewolf: lshw will show you a lot of things about your hardware |
| 05:42.20 | SirLagz | Bluewolf: don't know if that's what you're looking for, but can always give it a shot |
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| 05:44.40 | Bluewolf | SirLagz: Is it sudo lshw or on its own? :-) |
| 05:45.27 | SirLagz | sudo lshw |
| 05:45.34 | SirLagz | it may need to be installed |
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| 05:46.56 | Bluewolf | SirLagz: That would explain why its not working, any other commands just to give me the brief information? |
| 05:47.10 | Bluewolf | I don't need the all out detail |
| 05:48.00 | SirLagz | Bluewolf: well what detail do you need to know ? |
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| 05:49.21 | Bluewolf | SirLagz: CPU, Motherboard, GPU, Ram, etc - Does grepi something not do it, I have forgotten? |
| 05:49.43 | SirLagz | cat /proc/cpuinfo for cpu |
| 05:49.51 | SirLagz | dunno about motherboard |
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| 05:49.52 | SirLagz | lspci for gpu |
| 05:50.09 | SirLagz | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 05:50.12 | SirLagz | for memory |
| 05:53.33 | Bluewolf | SirLagz: Okay thanks |
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| 06:08.10 | RickHull | hi, I am having trouble capturing the output of `time` (STDERR, even) |
| 06:08.15 | RickHull | if i run `time foo` in the shell, it outputs nicely |
| 06:08.52 | RickHull | if i put that in a shell script, or try to capture it, everything is smashed together |
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| 06:11.35 | RickHull | oh, hm, maybe a /bin/sh problem |
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| 06:16.48 | Kobra | can anyone explain why installing packages is "apt-get install name" and not "apt install name"? |
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| 06:18.07 | SirLagz | apt-get is the program you use to install apps |
| 06:18.29 | Kobra | SirLagz: yes, but why is it apt-get rather than apt? |
| 06:19.07 | SirLagz | Kobra: someone decided to name it apt-get ? |
| 06:19.15 | Kobra | :sigh: BUT WHY?!?! |
| 06:19.25 | SirLagz | Kobra: because we're getting applications ? |
| 06:19.26 | Kobra | why the -get? |
| 06:19.34 | Kobra | but you're not always? |
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| 06:19.42 | Kobra | apt-get remove pkg |
| 06:20.12 | SirLagz | well why not use the same thing to get and remove packages for simplicity |
| 06:21.35 | Kobra | but doesn't apt install pkg, apt remove pkg, apt update, etc... make more sense? |
| 06:21.35 | tm512 | I think you can also do aptitude install package |
| 06:21.41 | tm512 | if it bothers you so much |
| 06:21.52 | SirLagz | Kobra: does it matter ? |
| 06:21.53 | Kobra | tm512: aptitude != apt |
| 06:22.07 | tm512 | they are both frontends to dpkg |
| 06:22.08 | Kobra | SirLagz: ofc.! :V |
| 06:22.16 | SirLagz | you could always alias apt='apt-get' if it matters |
| 06:22.40 | tm512 | there are also other apt- utilities |
| 06:22.59 | Kobra | eh, think of how git does it |
| 06:23.13 | Kobra | git utility args |
| 06:23.18 | pingfloyd | problem with aliases is you become dependent on them |
| 06:23.29 | pingfloyd | or you muscle memory does anyway |
| 06:23.33 | pingfloyd | *your |
| 06:23.50 | tm512 | Kobra: that is also how pkgng, pkgin, and yum work |
| 06:24.08 | Kobra | tm512: makes sense, apt should migrate to it |
| 06:24.16 | tm512 | it will not happen |
| 06:24.21 | Kobra | i know, but it should |
| 06:24.25 | SirLagz | Kobra: why should apt migrate to it ? |
| 06:24.31 | SirLagz | Kobra: the current way works perfectly fine |
| 06:24.36 | Kobra | more logical |
| 06:24.38 | SirLagz | if it aint broke, don't fix it |
| 06:24.39 | pingfloyd | Kobra: apt-get pretty much gets and install/removes a package |
| 06:24.46 | Kobra | i know it's nitpicking, but still |
| 06:24.57 | SirLagz | well enough nitpicking for today then. |
| 06:25.01 | tm512 | I'm sure there's a lot of improvement that could be made to apt and dpkg |
| 06:25.46 | pingfloyd | there's utils like apt-cache, apt-file, apt-rdepends... |
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| 06:26.02 | pingfloyd | it would break the convention |
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| 06:26.19 | Kobra | pingfloyed: yeah, they should all come under apt (apt cache ...) |
| 06:26.19 | pingfloyd | so think of it like apt-* suite |
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| 06:26.57 | SirLagz | Kobra: that would make apt rather big and unweidly |
| 06:27.12 | Kobra | SirLagz: how so? |
| 06:27.21 | pingfloyd | Kobra: it follows the unix tenet more to have it as small targeted apps |
| 06:27.32 | SirLagz | Kobra: because that one app would have a billion arguments |
| 06:27.45 | tm512 | pingfloyd: nobody cares about that anymore |
| 06:27.48 | Kobra | but it is unix, apt doesn't have to impliment said options, it just referes them to the more suitible applications |
| 06:27.50 | tm512 | obviously |
| 06:27.50 | pingfloyd | also, people always are extending apt |
| 06:28.17 | SirLagz | Kobra: well in that case, you can go crazy with a bash script and make 'apt' do everything you want it to do then |
| 06:28.19 | pingfloyd | makes it extensible and free of bloat |
| 06:28.36 | Kobra | SirLagz: that's kind of what i'm saying... |
| 06:28.41 | SirLagz | Kobra: then go forth and do it |
| 06:28.47 | pingfloyd | if you want a more integrated single command, there's aptitude |
| 06:29.25 | Kobra | :sigh: SirLagz: what about upstream? that's my point, so all use it (eventually) |
| 06:29.42 | pingfloyd | or you can simply make some apt app |
| 06:29.49 | pingfloyd | and call it apt-something |
| 06:30.06 | pingfloyd | say apt-frontend? |
| 06:30.07 | tm512 | wrapt, the apt wrapper |
| 06:30.14 | Kobra | lol |
| 06:30.20 | SirLagz | Kobra: why would everyone want to use another wrapper when they already have so many options ? |
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| 06:30.25 | pingfloyd | or apt-fe |
| 06:31.06 | Kobra | SirLagz: eh, it's only because often when i see apt-get, it just doesn't always make sense/less intuitive |
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| 06:31.25 | Kobra | i.e., how many people have tried to apt-remove pkg or something? |
| 06:31.30 | pingfloyd | I think apt is easier than aptitude to use |
| 06:32.01 | SirLagz | Kobra: I don't know about you, but I have never tried to apt-remove |
| 06:32.06 | Kobra | idk, it was just a minor thought i had to get off my chest; i know it'll never change |
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| 06:32.19 | Kobra | SirLagz: i have, i know a few who have too |
| 06:32.28 | Kobra | (that is, done something similar) |
| 06:32.29 | tm512 | Kobra: it would probably be easier for you to switch to something rpm-based, or freebsd, than it would be to convince the apt devs to make this change |
| 06:32.54 | pingfloyd | Kobra: that's when they should type either apt-get --help or man apt-get |
| 06:32.59 | tm512 | FreeBSD actually recently changed from several little package utilities to a single unified one |
| 06:33.02 | Kobra | nah, i like my Debian, it's only a minor thing, nothing to switch a whole distro over |
| 06:33.14 | tm512 | from pkg_add to pkg install |
| 06:33.28 | Kobra | yeah, that'd be another thing |
| 06:33.43 | Kobra | a unified pkg command |
| 06:33.55 | Kobra | it'd prob use packagekit or something if it ever happens |
| 06:34.55 | pingfloyd | Kobra: apt-cache search -n "^apt-" |
| 06:35.26 | Kobra | pingfloyd: hmm? |
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| 06:35.50 | tm512 | pkgng is probably one of my favorite package managers |
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| 06:36.05 | pingfloyd | Kobra: each one is gear to certain problem domains of package management |
| 06:36.10 | pingfloyd | *geared |
| 06:36.19 | Kobra | yeah, how's this relevant though? |
| 06:36.45 | tm512 | apt is slow and sometimes annoying to deal with. pacman has weird command line usage. I can't really speak for rpm-based stuff though |
| 06:36.46 | pingfloyd | Kobra: that's the logic of how apt was designed. |
| 06:37.19 | Kobra | i do wonder though if apt will ever have local pc mirroring |
| 06:37.35 | Kobra | for example, i run a dist-upgrade on my laptop, then on my pc |
| 06:37.40 | SirLagz | tm512: yums command line usage bothers me. maybe that's because I'm used to debian though |
| 06:38.01 | Kobra | downloading the same packages from my laptop over the local connection @ 1gbit |
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| 06:38.22 | pingfloyd | Kobra: why couldn't you? |
| 06:38.31 | SirLagz | Kobra: it does. but you need to put some effort in to set it up |
| 06:38.33 | tm512 | with pacman you have stuff like -S to install a package, -Sy to sync with the repository, -Syu to sync and upgrade everything |
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| 06:38.41 | Kobra | pingfloyd: i could if i used a mirror, but it'd be p.cool if it done it automagically |
| 06:38.46 | tm512 | -Ss to search, I think -Scc clears the cache |
| 06:38.58 | pingfloyd | Kobra: there's apt-mirror |
| 06:39.07 | SirLagz | tm512: that sounds confusing as hell |
| 06:39.15 | SirLagz | or apt-cacher I think it was called |
| 06:39.22 | Kobra | pingfloyd: i said, if i used a mirror, but i mean it'd be nice if you didn't have to |
| 06:39.52 | SirLagz | Kobra: It'd be nice if I got paid without working as well, not going to happen :P |
| 06:39.53 | Kobra | so it first asks local boxes for the specified packages before going to a mirror |
| 06:39.58 | tm512 | here is pkgng: http://hastebin.com/raw/asilukeham |
| 06:40.10 | Kobra | SirLagz: get outa here with these falacies |
| 06:40.15 | Kobra | :P |
| 06:40.34 | SirLagz | Kobra: the "effortless" way of doing this, is to setup a squid caching proxy |
| 06:40.51 | SirLagz | then if one machine gets the packages, the squid proxy will cache the packages for any other machine on the network |
| 06:41.04 | Kobra | i know there is a WAY to do it, im just saying it would be nice to have it done automatically |
| 06:41.21 | pingfloyd | installing a package is pretty automatic |
| 06:41.34 | pingfloyd | minimal if any manual configuration |
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| 06:41.44 | Kobra | pingfloyd: im talking about mirroring so you only have to download from a remove server |
| 06:41.59 | Kobra | but behind the scenes and no resource uptake |
| 06:42.15 | Kobra | basically just a mirror for your /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:42.42 | SirLagz | Kobra: you could always mount all machines /var/cache/apt/archives onto an NFS share :P |
| 06:42.51 | SirLagz | then all the machines would have the same packages in there :P |
| 06:42.57 | Kobra | i guess that's a good way to do it |
| 06:43.23 | Kobra | but it's not really very redundant-proof |
| 06:43.29 | tm512 | or if you don't want to set up NFS, rsync |
| 06:43.58 | Kobra | yh, an rsync would work with redundancy too |
| 06:44.50 | SirLagz | Kobra: but then you'd need to rsync between every debian box in the house |
| 06:45.26 | Kobra | SirLagz: much more efficient than the alternative |
| 06:45.34 | Kobra | of downloading GBs of data on each machine |
| 06:45.46 | SirLagz | Kobra: That's why I have a squid proxy setup to cache my updates. |
| 06:45.48 | pingfloyd | Kobra: sounds like you want apt-cacher |
| 06:46.25 | pingfloyd | it's even been optimized for best utilization of network bandwidth |
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| 07:44.37 | tm512 | I decided to look at bash's source code for no real reason |
| 07:45.18 | tm512 | I wish it wasn't open source |
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| 07:50.55 | MarvelDigital | tm512, why? |
| 07:51.21 | tm512 | so that nobody could wander in thinking "what could be so bad about it?" |
| 07:51.39 | Kobra | security by obsucrity? |
| 07:52.06 | tm512 | I think the cgit's lack of syntax highlighting makes it worse |
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| 07:52.23 | tm512 | but it's over-commented and very messy |
| 07:54.17 | MarvelDigital | i see... does that mean you're gonna fix it? |
| 07:54.34 | tm512 | no, because I don't care about bash at all |
| 07:55.15 | tm512 | they are using 1970s-style function definitions lol |
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| 07:55.38 | tm512 | like int main (argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { |
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| 07:56.14 | MarvelDigital | i see.. i've never looked at it...maybe i'll check that out tonight...verify your findings... haha |
| 07:56.25 | tm512 | and for some reason stuff like this: running_under_emacs += term && STREQN (term, "eterm", 5) && emacs && strstr (emacs, "term"); |
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| 07:58.23 | tm512 | I wonder if zsh is much better |
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| 08:02.09 | tm512 | at least zsh doesn't put all source files in the root of the source distribution |
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| 08:02.33 | tm512 | so that's +1, but -0.5 is capitalizing the folder filenames |
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| 08:14.42 | videocall | i am new to both Jitsi and GNU/Linux. I run Debian 7. Do i need to install Oracle Java before i install Jitsi? Can i just install openjdk instead of Oracle Java? |
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| 08:18.01 | bazhang | sure |
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| 08:19.45 | bazhang | openjdk is fine |
| 08:20.24 | videocall | are you using jitsi? |
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| 08:21.02 | videocall | bazhang, are *you* using jitsi? |
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| 08:26.22 | kradalby | Curl has a feature where you can choose interface, but it does not seem to be compiled in the standard debian version, does anyone know of an alternaltiv package? or do i have to compile it from source |
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| 08:30.06 | trewas | tm512: bash was released 25 years ago, and it probably shows... shells haven't changed all that much so there might be even some original code left |
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| 08:30.54 | tm512 | that would explain it, but still, ick |
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| 08:31.55 | trewas | yeah, nice that one of the central components is from a time when nobody had even heard word "security" in context of computers |
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| 08:37.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell kradalby -about package recompile |
| 08:37.25 | babilen | kradalby: (also consider filing a wishlist bug if you think that it would make to enable it by default) |
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| 08:39.09 | kradalby | thank babilen, im having a hard time to actually find the option to enable it. the docs aint that good for multi interface |
| 08:39.30 | babilen | Sorry, can't help you with that. :-/ |
| 08:40.08 | kradalby | np, im just configuring my homenetwork with two isps and it would be a nice feature, not a must |
| 08:40.10 | kradalby | :P |
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| 09:49.15 | arkadas | hi guys. |
| 09:49.49 | SirLagz | hi |
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| 09:50.50 | arkadas | approximately this month I got same problem. and until now I couldn't solve it. I did google it but there was no good help for me. |
| 09:50.51 | arkadas | my problem is |
| 09:50.51 | arkadas | ## |
| 09:50.51 | arkadas | No protocol specified |
| 09:50.51 | arkadas | ** (synaptic:17264): WARNING **: Could not open X display |
| 09:50.51 | arkadas | No protocol specified |
| 09:50.51 | arkadas | Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused |
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| 09:59.49 | someHuman | Hi! |
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| 10:00.18 | SirLagz | someHuman: hi |
| 10:00.20 | someHuman | How can I check/know how many devices are connected with the network I'm connected to? |
| 10:00.23 | someHuman | SirLagz: Waddup man! |
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| 10:00.32 | SirLagz | someHuman: waiting for dinner lol |
| 10:00.34 | SirLagz | someHuman: I'd use nmap |
| 10:00.39 | someHuman | Ok? |
| 10:00.46 | someHuman | Ain't that a pen test tool? |
| 10:00.47 | veek | -sP |
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| 10:00.55 | SirLagz | someHuman: -sn will do a ping scan |
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| 10:01.06 | someHuman | What does that mean? |
| 10:01.06 | SirLagz | as root - nmap -sn 10.0.0.0/24 |
| 10:01.18 | SirLagz | that will ping every ip address from 10.0.0.1 - 10.0.0.254 |
| 10:01.23 | someHuman | Ah |
| 10:01.27 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 10:02.01 | someHuman | Do I need to do it by sudo? |
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| 10:02.12 | SirLagz | maybe ? I don't remember if -sn needs sudo |
| 10:02.12 | babilen | "as root" |
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| 10:07.56 | jelly | wasn't -sP ping? |
| 10:08.16 | SirLagz | jelly: unless the version of nmap I'm using is not in wheezy... |
| 10:08.30 | SirLagz | ,v nmap |
| 10:08.32 | judd | Package: nmap on i386 -- squeeze: 5.00-3; wheezy: 6.00-0.3+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 6.40-0.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6.47-3; sid: 6.47-3 |
| 10:08.38 | jelly | > In previous releases of Nmap, -sn was known as -sP.. |
| 10:08.44 | jelly | heh |
| 10:09.02 | SirLagz | nope :D |
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| 10:17.21 | BotaniCar | can't remember when he last used nmap with anything but "P0" and "vvv" :) |
| 10:17.30 | jelly | no love for -O ? |
| 10:17.53 | BotaniCar | can't even remember what it stands for :) |
| 10:17.56 | SirLagz | haha |
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| 10:18.42 | BotaniCar | ah yes, scan-per-protocol, half of nowdays firewalls errminate that kind of scan :( |
| 10:19.35 | jelly | used in internal network when you have no idea what's running on your servers |
| 10:20.12 | BotaniCar | TBH, last time i wasn't sure what i had on network, i sent gnomes running arround and installing OCS |
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| 12:06.40 | evangeline_ | hi |
| 12:07.23 | evangeline_ | is there any way of telling apt-get when installing vagrant not to install it's dependency virtualbox, because it was already installed manually? |
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| 12:09.06 | sandman13 | if it's a recommended package then you can try --no-install-recommends evangeline_ |
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| 12:10.23 | babilen | evangeline_: And you don't have to install virtualbox at all with vagrant (and I wouldn't recommend to use it as kvm with vagrant-libvirt is *much* faster) |
| 12:11.15 | Poenikat` | Where does the Debian installer look for firmware? Can it look in a USB stick? Do I have to mount it? |
| 12:11.28 | evangeline_ | sandman13, babilen I get this error while installing vagrant: http://dpaste.com/3GERYRS |
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| 12:12.09 | evangeline_ | babilen, VirtualBox is the default with the package I'm trying to install, but I'll probably use KVM, since I use it anyways |
| 12:12.20 | babilen | evangeline_: That error has nothing to do with vagrant, but is a problem during the installation of virtualbox |
| 12:12.32 | evangeline_ | babilen, is there any way to get rid of it? |
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| 12:13.56 | babilen | evangeline_: What does "dpkg -l 'virtualbox*'" give you? |
| 12:14.21 | babilen | (and how did you install virtualbox to begin with?) |
| 12:14.39 | evangeline_ | babilen, http://dpaste.com/3QYCATZ ... I installed it manually by manual download dpkg |
| 12:15.02 | sandman13 | evangeline_: version 4.3? |
| 12:15.07 | evangeline_ | sandman13, yeah |
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| 12:15.37 | babilen | evangeline_: I'd start with purging *all* virtualbox packages with dpkg. |
| 12:15.58 | babilen | And you have various conflicting versions (half-)installed |
| 12:16.09 | sandman13 | evangeline_: remove it, enable backports and install virtualbox from there if you want newer version |
| 12:16.18 | babilen | judd: v virtualbox |
| 12:16.19 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.14-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-1; experimental/contrib: 4.3.20-dfsg-1 |
| 12:16.26 | sandman13 | evangeline_: see? |
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| 12:17.16 | babilen | But then my recommendation to simply use vagrant-libvirt still stands. vbox really only makes sense if you have Windows and OSX users in your team that you want to use the identical boxes. |
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| 12:17.48 | evangeline_ | sandman13, so I should use experimental/contrib branch ? |
| 12:18.03 | sandman13 | evangeline_: what? NO |
| 12:18.22 | SynrGy | Poenikat`: i don't know why sandman13 redirected you here, since your question was about the testing installer. but in any case, the debian installation guide is quite explicit about it, whether it's stable or testing ... (and i don't think this has changed) |
| 12:18.22 | babilen | wheezy-backports, but you don't need virtualbox with vagrant |
| 12:18.22 | evangeline_ | btw: what are the flags in the "dpkg -l" output right at the beginning of a line ? |
| 12:18.56 | babilen | evangeline_: "right" in what sense? |
| 12:19.22 | evangeline_ | sorry, the leftmost column (not rightmost) |
| 12:19.28 | Kre10s_ | Hi i just did a apt-get upgrade. after reboot gub came up fine, but x did not start. luckilly I can ssh into the box. trying to startx gives no screens found... any idea how to fix? |
| 12:19.34 | sandman13 | SynrGy: I thought it was more general question and belongs here rather than on #debian-next ;) Sorry if I made the mistake ;) |
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| 12:20.10 | babilen | Kre10s_: Show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net please |
| 12:20.25 | babilen | (and throw in /var/log/apt/history.log ) |
| 12:20.27 | SynrGy | sandman13: since he asks about testing, and theoretically things could've changed as to where d-i looks, the question belongs on #debian-next |
| 12:20.46 | SynrGy | Poenikat`: here's the relevant section of the manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 12:21.10 | babilen | evangeline_: yes, but what do you mean by "right" ? Do you mean it in the sense of "are they correct?" or "are they the desired ones?" |
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| 12:21.24 | SynrGy | Poenikat`: please note in particular "The recommended file system to use is FAT as that is most certain to be supported during the early stages of the installation." |
| 12:21.32 | babilen | (to which the answers would be: "Yes, I'd hope so" and "No, not at all") |
| 12:21.33 | SynrGy | you didn't say if you used FAT or not |
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| 12:22.02 | SynrGy | er, on #debian-next you explicitly said you used ext2 :) |
| 12:22.25 | SynrGy | but since you moved here, we've lost continuity with that :p |
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| 12:23.51 | tonythomas | I am finding constant error message : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 ) with the following error message :dpkg: error processing wvdial (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured. More detailed error report : https://dpaste.de/kJoR |
| 12:24.11 | Kre10s_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/137973/ I don't have a /var/log/history.log |
| 12:24.16 | tonythomas | the platform is debian wheezy 7.0 |
| 12:24.20 | SynrGy | Poenikat`: in short, keep testing questions on #debian-next, and use FAT for the partition containing firmware files or packages. |
| 12:24.49 | babilen | tonythomas: Please paste your command *and* the entire output to http://paste.debian.net. Also include the output of "head -v -0 -n /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d}" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 12:24.50 | SynrGy | Poenikat`: and include those either on the root dir or in a /firmware directory, as per doc |
| 12:25.15 | babilen | Kre10s_: /var/log/apt/history.log not /var/log/history.log |
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| 12:25.36 | jelly | babilen: head -v -0 -n /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d} does not work on my wheezy |
| 12:26.16 | tonythomas | babilen: same here |
| 12:26.26 | tonythomas | some command issue ? |
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| 12:26.54 | jelly | head: invalid trailing option -- 0 |
| 12:27.12 | tonythomas | it should be head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d} |
| 12:27.19 | tonythomas | ? |
| 12:27.29 | babilen | jelly, tonythomas: Yeah, you want "-v -n -0" sorry |
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| 12:28.43 | babilen | Kre10s_: That is a normal intel GPU, isn't it? Anything you changed in between "working" and "not working" ? |
| 12:29.28 | tonythomas | babilen: bit long, but here we go : https://dpaste.de/2PiS |
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| 12:30.41 | babilen | tonythomas: You really don't want to use "stable" in your sources.list as the release it points to will change whenever a new one is released. I'd recommend to use "wheezy" in lieu of it. |
| 12:31.23 | babilen | tonythomas: Also ftp.debian.org is a suboptimal choice and you might want to consider using either ftp.us.debian.org or http.debian.net instead |
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| 12:31.58 | tonythomas | okey. so - I should change my sources.list, right ? |
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| 12:32.42 | tonythomas | babilen: can you share an optimal one ? :) |
| 12:32.53 | tonythomas | editing https://dpaste.de/1ghP |
| 12:32.54 | tonythomas | ? |
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| 12:33.05 | babilen | tonythomas: What does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/{S97DbSecuritySpt,S99selinux,S77.SSH2,selinux,DbSecuritySpt}" give you? |
| 12:33.29 | babilen | tonythomas: http://paste.debian.net/137974/ is a complete one that works everywhere on this planet |
| 12:33.38 | tonythomas | babilen: https://dpaste.de/Wzcw |
| 12:33.45 | Kre10s_ | babilen, its a dn2800mt desktop board. The cpu has integrated graphics. I always use it without graphical acceleration. |
| 12:33.45 | tonythomas | babilen: thanks. changing now |
| 12:34.13 | babilen | Kre10s_: Yeah, assumed as much. Curious that it stopped working and we really have to see what changed. |
| 12:34.19 | Poenikat` | SynrGy: Many thanks for your remarks. I have read the document mentioned and it does not specify which device the installer looks in. How do I determine which device it will need? |
| 12:34.35 | SynrGy | it doesn't care. |
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| 12:34.44 | babilen | tonythomas: Do you know where these init scripts are coming from? They are erroneus and not known to the packaging system. |
| 12:34.49 | SynrGy | it uses blkid, iterates over them, finds filesystems that meet its criteria |
| 12:34.57 | SynrGy | looks in those in the places mentioned |
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| 12:35.01 | Poenikat` | What are its criteria? |
| 12:35.02 | babilen | *erroneous |
| 12:35.12 | SynrGy | "has a filesystem i can read" :) |
| 12:35.21 | tonythomas | babilen: you mean like I am having something extra in my init scripts ? |
| 12:35.29 | Poenikat` | SynrGy: :) indeed, I'll try fat |
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| 12:36.55 | babilen | tonythomas: These init scripts look as if they have been manually placed/installed there and they are missing information (i.e. lsb headers) that are needed by inssrv to determine their dependencies so that it can order them in such a way that all dependencies are met. |
| 12:37.30 | Kre10s_ | could reverting to an earlier X version fix the problem?+# |
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| 12:37.59 | babilen | Kre10s_: Did you upgrade Xorg to a new version? Could you paste /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/apt/term.log so that we can see what happened? |
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| 12:38.40 | Kre10s_ | babilen, for some reason i don't have those files... |
| 12:39.06 | Kre10s_ | Ah. but i did make a copy of the packages to be updated! |
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| 12:40.03 | Kre10s_ | http://paste.debian.net/137975/ |
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| 12:40.18 | babilen | Kre10s_: Are you sure? You were referring to /var/log/history.log earlier while I refer to /var/log/apt/history.log. (note the "apt" in there). Can you tell us anything about your system and what is special about it? |
| 12:40.52 | babilen | That's quite the upgrade! :( |
| 12:40.57 | tonythomas | babilen: any way I can see where the init scripts are placed ? |
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| 12:41.29 | babilen | tonythomas: They will be /etc/init.d/{S97DbSecuritySpt,S99selinux,S77.SSH2,selinux,DbSecuritySpt} |
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| 12:42.37 | tonythomas | babilen: here is the output https://dpaste.de/kSY6 |
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| 12:42.50 | tonythomas | anything tricky over there ? |
| 12:43.55 | babilen | tonythomas: Any idea where /etc/init.d/selinux might come from? |
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| 12:44.22 | babilen | (or /etc/init.d/SSH2 and /etc/init.d/DbSecuritySp) |
| 12:44.24 | tonythomas | nope. thats not supposed to be there ? |
| 12:45.04 | tonythomas | babilen: those two files do not exist |
| 12:45.27 | Kre10s_ | babilen, yea. I've got a slow connection, so i wait longer than usual before upgrading... |
| 12:45.37 | babilen | tonythomas: https://dpaste.de/kSY6#L5,9 exists |
| 12:46.07 | tonythomas | babilen: oops. True |
| 12:46.09 | tonythomas | they exists :\ |
| 12:46.24 | tonythomas | should be removed ? |
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| 12:46.44 | babilen | tonythomas: They are unknown to the packaging system. Can't you recall that you created them? |
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| 12:47.17 | babilen | tonythomas: Do you have /etc/init.d/.SSH2 and what is its content? |
| 12:47.17 | tonythomas | nope. I think of trying to do something with selinux once though - but never remember placing it in inti |
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| 12:47.55 | babilen | Kre10s_: Yeah, that is no problem (or shouldn't be), but it makes it a bit harder to figure out the culprit. |
| 12:47.57 | tonythomas | babilen: I have - https://dpaste.de/wquG |
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| 12:48.50 | babilen | tonythomas: Could you paste /etc/.SSH2 too? |
| 12:49.08 | babilen | (and /etc/sfewfesfs ) |
| 12:49.10 | tonythomas | cat: /etc/.SSH2: No such file or directory |
| 12:49.49 | tonythomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.52 | tonythomas | pasting now |
| 12:49.53 | Kre10s_ | Is it normal not to have /etc/X11/Xorg.conf |
| 12:50.02 | babilen | Kre10s_: It is, yeah |
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| 12:50.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kre10s_ -about empty xorg.conf |
| 12:51.08 | tonythomas | Looks like I am not able to paste it in dpaste :\ |
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| 12:51.21 | tonythomas | babilen: its that huge :( |
| 12:51.54 | babilen | Kre10s_: Okay, as, for some reason, /var/log/apt/{history,term}.log are not available to us we would have to figure these things out for ourselves. Does "aptitude search ~b" or "dpkg --configure -a" return anything? |
| 12:52.03 | babilen | tonythomas: So, what is in there? |
| 12:52.18 | babilen | (the first 500 linex should be fine) |
| 12:53.27 | Kre10s_ | aptitude returns just one line: pB xulrunner-24.0 - XUL + XPCOM application runner |
| 12:53.28 | tonythomas | babilen: oeky. it looks like its binary |
| 12:53.40 | babilen | tonythomas: To be honest: This really starts to look fishy and I won't exclude the possibility of an malicious action of a third party being responsible for this. |
| 12:53.58 | tonythomas | god :\ |
| 12:54.00 | tonythomas | https://dpaste.de/83fe |
| 12:54.01 | Kre10s_ | I remember xulrunner was on the autoremove list. I ran apt-get autoremove before restarting... |
| 12:54.17 | babilen | tonythomas: Yeah, that's a binary. |
| 12:54.28 | tonythomas | babilen: any idea how I can remove all these ? |
| 12:54.39 | tonythomas | removing it from init, to start with ? |
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| 12:55.40 | babilen | tonythomas: "file /etc/sfewfesfs" should confirm that. What does "crontab -l" as root give you? What about "netstat -tulpen" or "ps -aux" ? |
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| 12:57.12 | Kre10s_ | dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 30501 package 'linux-image-3.2.24': error in Version string 'custom.1.0': version number does not start with digit... I remember I recompiled a kernel once, to get socketcan support. I didn't change the source or anything just selected an extra option in Kconfig |
| 12:57.12 | dpkg | kre10s_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 12:57.24 | tonythomas | babilen: https://dpaste.de/RvMk - the crontab -l as root |
| 12:57.26 | babilen | tonythomas: Do you also, by chance, have any of: /etc/{gfhjrtfyhuf,gdmorpen,fdsfsfvff,rewgtf3er4t,smarvtd,whitptabil,.SSH2} ? |
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| 12:58.02 | jelly | Kre10s_: if you don't need that kernel any more, purge the package in question |
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| 12:58.34 | petn-randall | Those init scripts sound soooo fishy to me. |
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| 12:58.45 | babilen | Kre10s_: Where is that kernel from? That is almost definitely the cause of your problems and will have caused error(s) during the earlier install run. That version number is wrong and breaks the packaging system. You might be able to purge the linux-image-3.2.24 package with dpkg or edit the /var/lib/dpkg/status file and remove the entry. |
| 12:59.11 | babilen | petn-randall: Yeah, absolutely. Look into shellshock |
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| 13:00.05 | Kre10s_ | babilen, I compiled from source. |
| 13:00.08 | tonythomas | babilen: no such files, I think https://dpaste.de/SMLH |
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| 13:00.45 | tonythomas | babilen: reminds me of http://princetonits.com/technology/removing-linux-bash-shellshocker-malware/ |
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| 13:01.21 | babilen | Kre10s_: Well, you obviously installed a package called "linux-image-3.2.24" with a wrong version of "custom.1.0" before. You have to purge that. |
| 13:01.32 | babilen | tonythomas: It does not only remind you of that ;) |
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| 13:01.54 | jelly | amusingly that wrong version was a default in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf or nearby for years |
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| 13:02.08 | babilen | tonythomas: What's the timestamp of /etc/sfewfesfs ? |
| 13:02.15 | babilen | jelly: hoo-ray?! ;( |
| 13:02.17 | tonythomas | babilen: checking |
| 13:02.43 | tonythomas | babilen: -rwsrwsrwt 1 root root 1223123 Dec 23 22:03 sfewfesfs |
| 13:02.50 | tonythomas | that looks too new |
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| 13:03.23 | Kre10s_ | babilen, ok. dpkg removed it just fine. |
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| 13:03.26 | babilen | tonythomas: Is that box connected to the internet? |
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| 13:03.35 | jelly | mode 07777? wut |
| 13:03.55 | babilen | SETEVERYTHING! |
| 13:04.02 | tonythomas | babilen: no. But I do connect using pp and everything |
| 13:04.15 | babilen | jelly: Apparently so that it is harder to remove in addition to privileges |
| 13:04.26 | babilen | tonythomas: pp? |
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| 13:04.29 | tonythomas | ppp |
| 13:04.51 | babilen | tonythomas: It very much looks as if you have been hacked |
| 13:05.04 | tonythomas | babilen: yeah. it looks like :\ |
| 13:05.11 | tonythomas | how will I come out ? |
| 13:05.19 | babilen | Kre10s_: Please run "dpkg -a --configure" again now. |
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| 13:05.47 | Kre10s_ | babilen, no output... |
| 13:05.48 | tonythomas | babilen: this cannot be removed ? |
| 13:05.59 | babilen | tonythomas: You bin that box, reinstall from scratch and restore data from an older backup (e.g. something older than 23/12/2014 |
| 13:06.01 | babilen | ) |
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| 13:06.20 | babilen | tonythomas: Well, you can remove those files, but I wouldn't trust that system *at all* anymore. |
| 13:06.21 | tonythomas | babilen: but 23 - 11 looks too new, right ? |
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| 13:07.20 | gadago | hi, anyone know how I can get the kernel 3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64 from backports? It seems to have been replaced by 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 and 3.14 is no longer in the repo? |
| 13:07.31 | babilen | Well, that was yesterday. And that file really shouldn't be there, is being discussed in the context of various threads on rootkits, has super funky permissions and ... you have never heard of it before. This is fishy. |
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| 13:07.46 | tonythomas | babilen: I can rm -fr that one ? |
| 13:07.56 | babilen | Kre10s_: Whereas it resulted in "dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 30501 package 'linux-image-3.2.24': error in Version string 'custom.1.0': version number does not start with ..." before? |
| 13:08.08 | Kre10s_ | babilen, yes. |
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| 13:08.35 | babilen | tonythomas: I really wouldn't trust that system *at all*. Who knows what else is lurking on it? |
| 13:08.48 | gadago | my question was referring to wheezy-backports btw |
| 13:08.51 | tonythomas | babilen: sad :( |
| 13:08.54 | babilen | Kre10s_: Okay, mind running "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" again? |
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| 13:09.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell gadago -about snapshorts |
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| 13:09.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell gadago -about snapshots |
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| 13:09.19 | tonythomas | babilen: but it loosk like I am able to rm -fr that one, okey ? |
| 13:09.27 | babilen | gadago: Any particular reason why 3.16 isn't working for you? |
| 13:09.43 | babilen | tonythomas: Do whatever you see fit, I wouldn't allow that system to run anymore. |
| 13:09.44 | gadago | I have a cluster of servers running 3.14 and want to keep them all the same |
| 13:09.48 | Kre10s_ | babilon: I only did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade before. could that be it? |
| 13:10.09 | tonythomas | babilen: okey. I will just remove these things for a bit time, and re install that in a few days |
| 13:10.12 | babilen | Kre10s_: No, not really. upgrade and dist-upgrade only differ in that the latter also allows for package removals |
| 13:10.13 | gadago | babilen, it's not suitable to upgrade the other right now |
| 13:10.16 | tonythomas | my bad |
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| 13:10.27 | babilen | gadago: sure |
| 13:10.44 | babilen | gadago: You should also have it in /var/cache/apt/archives if it was installed on that box before |
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| 13:11.16 | gadago | babilen, okay, is there no way to pull it directly from a repo? |
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| 13:12.02 | tonythomas | babilen: what would killall -9 profild.key do ? |
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| 13:12.57 | tonythomas | babilen: I see that one, killall -9 .IptabLes and killall -9 nfsd4 in my root crontab |
| 13:13.06 | babilen | gadago: yes, check the private message dpkg sent you earlier |
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| 13:13.23 | babilen | tonythomas: yes, you've been hacked. congratulations. |
| 13:13.28 | gadago | babilen, thank you |
| 13:13.33 | gadago | sorry I didn't see that :) |
| 13:13.39 | babilen | np |
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| 13:14.46 | _abc_ | Hi. What is the Debian way to set ulimits on a process or user (local)? I have firef**ck loading systems with open tabs until they get on their knees. |
| 13:15.56 | babilen | _abc_: No need for that kind of language (or censorship thereof) in here. |
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| 13:16.31 | _abc_ | Well I try to be polite. Cough. Also, who made a browser which can open 40 tabs with a click? f<censored> |
| 13:17.11 | babilen | Kre10s_: Does that upgrade anything? |
| 13:17.30 | Kre10s_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/137977/ just a few packages |
| 13:17.50 | Kre10s_ | xorg-input stuff |
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| 13:19.40 | babilen | Kre10s_: Please don't use "stable" in your sources.list -- i'd recommend to use something like: http://paste.debian.net/137978/ (http.debian.net is a metamirror that will automagically choose "the best") |
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| 13:20.24 | babilen | Kre10s_: Look at line 46, you will also have to repair /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 13:22.05 | tremon | _abc_: I don't think limits will help you there. The only thing it will do is force firefox (iceweasel I presume) to crash sooner. The easiest to set limits once is to set the limits from the shell, i.e. set ulimit then run iceweasel from that shell |
| 13:22.48 | Kre10s_ | babilen, i will update sources.list after i fix dpkg then... can i fix that with an editor or should i use dpkg command_ |
| 13:22.54 | tremon | s/set ulimit/run ulimit/ |
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| 13:24.47 | tremon | you might get better results making iceweasel very ionice, assuming it's swapping that makes your system slow |
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| 13:32.31 | _abc_ | tremon: I prefer ff to crash than the system to freeze or the desktop components to die for lack of resources. |
| 13:32.54 | _abc_ | tremon: I set up the system not to swap, it still does it. |
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| 13:33.22 | _abc_ | tremon: Also I suspect malicious sites use fork bombs either by design or by error. The end result is the same. |
| 13:33.57 | _abc_ | tremon: The users who use this screen are completely ignorant of computer things and there is no hope to educate them. |
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| 13:36.04 | _abc_ | Am I right to say if I start firefox under bash using an exec, and set ulmit in that bash before the exec, then the firefox process should obey said set ulimits? |
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| 13:36.54 | tremon | _abc_: yes, that's probably the best way to do this for just that process. For settings limits per-user, see man limits.conf |
| 13:36.59 | babilen | Kre10s_: You'd have to do that with an editor. |
| 13:37.04 | _abc_ | Also I need to make sure only a single ff process runs. Is there a ready made command for that? Under lxde or kde? I know how to do it by scripting but I prefer a ready made one. |
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| 13:37.26 | _abc_ | tremon: I need per process. Specifically I need it to not limit the desktop proper. |
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| 13:38.26 | Raydiation | hi, the next stable release is already in freeze correct? |
| 13:38.33 | Raydiation | is systemd already included? |
| 13:38.42 | babilen | sure |
| 13:38.51 | babilen | It has been for years |
| 13:39.06 | tremon | firefox/iceweasel always runs as a single process, unless a new one is started with -new-instance. If you're already going to make your custom start script, might as well filter out that option |
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| 13:39.17 | Raydiation | babilen: i mean if i update it will just replace sysvinit righ? |
| 13:39.20 | Raydiation | without hassles |
| 13:39.42 | tremon | Raydiation: yes to the first, maybe to the latter |
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| 13:40.12 | Raydiation | is there a guide yet? |
| 13:40.33 | Raydiation | or is just replacing the code names in the repos and running a dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:41.21 | tremon | https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
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| 13:41.56 | Raydiation | tremon: ty |
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| 13:42.41 | _abc_ | In ulimit terms, assuming I have X MB of ram total, and not swapping, what parameters would one choose for ulimit in bash for ulimit -d -l -m -s -v ? Are there some guidelines? Does anyone have a link? |
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| 13:44.02 | _abc_ | Is it enough to set -v ? |
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| 13:45.06 | _abc_ | What's the difference between rss and the other memory settings here? |
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| 13:45.40 | _abc_ | -v is the covering number right? All allocated ram, including rss etc? |
| 13:46.10 | tremon | _abc_: there are no guidelines, as it depends on how your system is used. If you have one user running only 1 application, you might limit it to 80% of your ram, but that's obviously too much if multiple users work on the system simultaneously |
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| 13:47.08 | adrin | Hi, I've got a problem with apt-get gpg keys. I'm trying to add a repo, which apparently has the keys in it. But I don't know how to add that key. gpg --import Release.gpg tells me there's not valid gpg key in there. Here's the link to the repo: http://deb.obm.org/31/stable/dists/obm/ |
| 13:47.10 | _abc_ | Assume one user |
| 13:47.17 | _abc_ | Okay 80% is a nice number. |
| 13:47.24 | _abc_ | I will try this then refine it. |
| 13:47.39 | _abc_ | Any apps or helper scripts to ensure only one copy of an app is running at any time? |
| 13:47.55 | petn-randall | tonythomas: Since your machine has been compromised, the only way is to reinstall it, and recover data from backups. |
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| 13:48.42 | Raydiation | is the systemd-sysvinit package still required? |
| 13:48.56 | Kre10s_ | babilen, ok. I removed it, updated my sources list, and ran update and dist-upgrade again. It upgraded dh-python firmware-ralink libudev-dev libudev1 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri2-0-dev libxcb-glx0 libxcb-glx0-dev polipo torsocks nothing else |
| 13:49.27 | Raydiation | in jessie? |
| 13:49.37 | petn-randall | Raydiation: No such package exists. |
| 13:49.42 | petn-randall | ,v systemd-sysvinit |
| 13:49.43 | judd | No package named 'systemd-sysvinit' was found in i386. |
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| 13:50.26 | Raydiation | i see thanks |
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| 13:52.00 | _abc_ | What units does ulimit -v use please? bytes? kB? |
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| 13:55.25 | tremon | _abc_: I assume kB, but man bash isn't too clear on that. It says "values are in 1024-byte increments", but to me that can mean either "multiplied by" or "rounded to the nearest multiple of" |
| 13:55.45 | _abc_ | Yeah I read the manual. Bummer. |
| 13:56.00 | guardian | is this the proper channel to ask questions about automated install with preseed? |
| 13:56.56 | guardian | I'm trying to automate installation for netinst.iso but it still asks for root password (first interactive screen) |
| 13:57.39 | babilen | Kre10s_: okay, did that change anything? |
| 13:57.40 | _abc_ | tremon: I found a reference which also says kB |
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| 13:58.29 | Shadow_7 | guardian: is it something that expect could help with? |
| 13:59.33 | tremon | guardian: I'm not using those (I have passwd/root-login boolean false), but can you paste all passwd lines from your preseed file (remove actual passwords ofc)? |
| 13:59.51 | guardian | yeah I'm uploading the preseed.cfg |
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| 14:01.52 | guardian | tremon: http://pastebin.com/yHk3iuUk and at install screen I press esc then I'm using "auto url=http://example.com/preseed.cfg" where example.com is replaced by a server of mine |
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| 14:02.31 | Kre10s_ | babilen, I found something online! Turns out the newer kernels assume LVDS screen is connected. Since I use a VGA screen all i see is a black screen... adding video=LVDS-1:d solved the problem. Thanks for helping me clean up my sources thought! |
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| 14:03.07 | Kre10s_ | adding video=LVDS-1:d to the grub line... |
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| 14:03.32 | babilen | Kre10s_: Could you cite the source for that and what exactly constitutes a "newer kernel". You should still be using 3.2 from wheezy. |
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| 14:04.22 | Kre10s_ | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=106713 |
| 14:04.40 | Kre10s_ | sorry http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/blank-screen-after-boot-4175474380/ |
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| 14:05.56 | babilen | Kre10s_: Interesting, thanks! |
| 14:06.16 | babilen | Kre10s_: You might want to file a bug about that (certainly a regression) |
| 14:06.59 | tremon | guardian:d-i should skip the root password question when you set root-login to false. Is this the first question you get? It's unclear to me where or why you need to press esc |
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| 14:07.55 | Kre10s_ | babilen, I have no idea where to file that. is it a debian or a kernel bug? |
| 14:08.03 | guardian | tremon: to test my preseed.cfg, I boot jessie netinst.iso in virtualbox, then when the screen highlights the "Install" choice I press ESC to enter the boot command line |
| 14:09.21 | tremon | ah. Can you try simply commenting those root-password lines? I don't have them in my preseed file at all |
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| 14:09.57 | guardian | well I want to set the root password :) but I can try commenting out the line to see the result |
| 14:10.13 | tremon | if you want to set it, you should have root-login boolean true |
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| 14:10.51 | tremon | also, you can add DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 after the url= argument. Then on the syslog screen (alt-f4), you can see a lot of extra d-i information, including which keys it is asking for |
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| 14:12.02 | guardian | tremon: really? I'm taking inspiration from https://github.com/opscode/bento/blob/master/packer/http/debian-7/preseed.cfg#L25-27 and their preseed setup works fine, doesn't ask any question |
| 14:12.28 | guardian | tremon: will DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 show whether d-i succeeded in downloading my preseed.cfg? |
| 14:12.36 | babilen | Kre10s_: Feel free to file it against the kernel or xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 14:14.26 | tremon | guardian: there are many questions asked before it gets to the root password prompt. If that is the first prompt you get, the preseed file was loaded fine. I suspect it is in the logs, but I'm not sure |
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| 14:15.45 | tremon | guardian: also, preseeding is still black magic to me. I have also had virtually identical preseed files have different results. So don't automatically assume I know what I'm talking about ;) |
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| 14:18.11 | tremon | guardian: I notice you removed the "user-setup/allow-password-weak boolean true" from your preseed file. Perhaps that's why it's not accepting the (very weak) root password? |
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| 14:19.08 | guardian | well "user-setup/allow-password-weak boolean true" isn't listed in the installation manual and when I googled it it looked like it's for Ubuntu |
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| 14:22.01 | guardian | tremon: user-setup/allow-password-weak isn't even in the preseed example |
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| 14:23.21 | tremon | guardian: may be, I copied it from your github link |
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| 14:23.33 | guardian | :) |
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| 14:25.22 | guardian | so if you're familiar with bento / Packer, you noticed their boot command https://github.com/opscode/bento/blob/master/packer/debian-7.7-i386.json#L10-24 contains key/values that are documented nowhere |
| 14:25.22 | guardian | like debian-installer=en_US |
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| 14:25.54 | guardian | also, "install" and "auto" in the same command line looks weird |
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| 14:31.44 | Bartleby | I just did a new install, and there are a couple kinks I'm having trouble straightening out. |
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| 14:33.13 | ompaul | Bartleby: please name them all |
| 14:33.34 | Bartleby | When I run fbterm in tty, the fonts are strangely distorted |
| 14:33.44 | Bartleby | This one I name Paul. |
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| 14:35.03 | ompaul | what version of debian are you using |
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| 14:36.13 | Bartleby | Er, jessie from the beta installer :-/ |
| 14:36.21 | Bartleby | *runs* |
| 14:36.28 | ompaul | yes, yes you should |
| 14:36.37 | ompaul | the supported way to install jessie is this |
| 14:36.52 | ompaul | install stable and then apt-get dist-upgrade to jessie |
| 14:36.55 | greycat | (for small values of "supported") |
| 14:37.00 | ompaul | the installer is for testing the installer |
| 14:37.29 | ompaul | greycat: there is that, but if you are in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net you get a lot more support than you get around here |
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| 14:37.41 | ompaul | the installer is for not for installing testing |
| 14:37.48 | ompaul | Bartleby: ^^ |
| 14:38.05 | greycat | I think what he's saying is "You should report these installer issues to #debian-next on OFTC" |
| 14:38.28 | Bartleby | I'm don't think this is an installer issue. |
| 14:38.43 | ompaul | no, I'm suggesting that (A) going to irc.oftc.net is better if you want to run testing and or sid |
| 14:39.03 | Bartleby | Can do. |
| 14:39.04 | ompaul | (B) the testing installer is not for doing installs with |
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| 14:39.15 | ompaul | it is for testing the installer |
| 14:39.19 | Bartleby | The regular installer is just really buggy. |
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| 14:39.26 | Shadow_7 | Probably more kernel related imo. Seen strang unusable fonts in manjero if you don't boot to a gui. |
| 14:39.56 | Shadow_7 | Bartleby: you could try a debootstrap install |
| 14:40.07 | greycat | I've been too lazy to ever set up a new -L port forward for OFTC. |
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| 14:43.22 | abrotman | He can instead file an installation report to the BTS |
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| 14:44.41 | abrotman | Bartleby: ompaul I should note, fbterm is the same version in wheezy/jessie/sid |
| 14:45.06 | guardian | tremon: maybe d-i from jessie beta2 netinst.iso is buggy... |
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| 14:47.56 | tremon | guardian: that would be a question for #debian-boot, I guess |
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| 14:53.09 | guardian | tremon: I joined there, there's only one user :) |
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| 14:54.38 | tremon | there's 127 actually, #debian-boot is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:55.13 | guardian | oh right |
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| 14:56.01 | guardian | I'll do that later, thanks for caring so far :) |
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| 15:28.16 | child | is there discourse in the jessie repo? |
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| 15:29.45 | jhutchins | ,v discourse |
| 15:29.46 | judd | No package named 'discourse' was found in i386. |
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| 15:49.27 | aduntoridas | does anyone use tails? |
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| 15:50.08 | sh0t | h iguys |
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| 15:50.18 | sh0t | i tried to remove ocaml with apt-get remove ocaml |
| 15:50.30 | sh0t | but if now i type ocaml the itnerpeter it s still there |
| 15:50.34 | sh0t | hwo do i get rid of it? |
| 15:50.46 | sh0t | i tried also purge |
| 15:50.49 | greycat | ocaml was probably just a meta-package that depended on the real package |
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| 15:51.29 | sh0t | ok i see |
| 15:51.30 | greycat | try purging everything in "dpkg -l ocaml\*" |
| 15:51.33 | aduntoridas | does anyone use tails? i can't connect to internet by PPPOE using tails livecd |
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| 15:53.20 | sh0t | thanks graycat |
| 15:55.06 | ninjazach | aduntoridas: is tails some sort of debian derivitive that is for anonymous communications? |
| 15:55.20 | aduntoridas | yes! |
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| 15:56.11 | aduntoridas | i am from Russia. do you have there in Europe or America PPPOE communcations? |
| 15:56.21 | bakaneko | hi. I need an fstab guru. How do I allow mount any ntfs or ext4 image *.img to any user directory without a root priviledges? (nosuid, noexec) |
| 15:56.42 | greycat | If you don't have root, then fstab is right out. |
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| 15:57.04 | aduntoridas | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-point_protocol_over_Ethernet |
| 15:57.06 | ninjazach | Look for Debian's docs on using pppoe. If its just a live cd version of debian that has been customized the docs should translate over quite well. |
| 15:57.23 | aduntoridas | i did it |
| 15:57.37 | bakaneko | indeed. so it asks me for a device. for a device do I need a loop or what |
| 15:57.55 | aduntoridas | i know how to coonect throught PPPOE in Debian, but in tails it does not work |
| 15:58.04 | tremon | well, you can still define a user-mountable line in fstab, but not with "any ntfs or ext4 image" nor "any user directory" |
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| 15:58.09 | aduntoridas | ninjazach: |
| 15:58.18 | greycat | aduntoridas: this is #debian, not ##tails or whatever. We can't help you with non-Debian operating systems. |
| 15:58.22 | ninjazach | aduntoridas: pppoe is common in DSL connections, so yes. |
| 15:58.38 | bakaneko | i should patch fstab then :( |
| 15:58.45 | aduntoridas | greycat: it is debian |
| 15:58.58 | greycat | 10:57 aduntoridas> i know how to coonect throught PPPOE in Debian, but in tails it does not work |
| 15:59.17 | ninjazach | The debian docs on PPPOE should work fine. Check the wiki |
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| 16:00.11 | ninjazach | greycat: thanks, apparently not :/ haha |
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| 16:01.23 | aduntoridas | greycat: debian is distributive of debian |
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| 16:01.39 | aduntoridas | tails i mean |
| 16:01.47 | tremon | !based on debian |
| 16:01.48 | greycat | !based on |
| 16:01.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:02.22 | aduntoridas | okay |
| 16:04.13 | aduntoridas | is PPPOE = VPN? |
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| 16:04.23 | greycat | no |
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| 16:04.37 | greycat | PPPOE is PPP Over Ethernet, commonly used in dial-up and DSL |
| 16:04.47 | greycat | VPN is an encrypted virtual TCP/IP network |
| 16:05.19 | aduntoridas | my connection (PPPOE) needs verification (login and password) |
| 16:05.29 | aduntoridas | may be it is because of this :( |
| 16:05.39 | greycat | That's common with PPPOE, but it has nothing to do with a VPN. |
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| 16:08.00 | rneese | hey guys |
| 16:08.09 | rneese | what command replaced openvt |
| 16:08.26 | rneese | I need a way to pipe data out to a tty |
| 16:09.01 | petn-randall | rneese: openvt still exists in Debian. |
| 16:09.14 | greycat | openvt is in the kbd package |
| 16:09.35 | rneese | ok the the kbd pkg is called |
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| 16:11.14 | rneese | apt-cache search kbd finds nothig nor keyboard |
| 16:11.34 | greycat | ,versions kbd |
| 16:11.36 | judd | Package: kbd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.15.2-2; wheezy: 1.15.3-9; jessie: 1.15.5-2; sid: 1.15.5-2 |
| 16:14.17 | rneese | ok |
| 16:14.37 | rneese | seems trying to list it ok wheezy arm it was kbdd |
| 16:14.49 | rneese | why I dont know |
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| 16:14.59 | greycat | oh, non-i386 non-amd systems are not something I know a lot about |
| 16:15.31 | rneese | yeah we are working to have data flow to a lcd screen |
| 16:15.45 | tremon | ,v kbd --arch armel |
| 16:15.46 | judd | Package: kbd on armel -- squeeze: 1.15.2-2; wheezy: 1.15.3-9; jessie: 1.15.5-2; sid: 1.15.5-2 |
| 16:16.16 | tremon | should still be there. kbdd is something entirely different |
| 16:17.03 | rneese | ok hunting |
| 16:17.06 | rneese | and thanks |
| 16:17.22 | rneese | also found a 2nd way |
| 16:17.40 | rneese | cmd >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 16:17.46 | rneese | and it outputs |
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| 16:18.10 | rneese | they want data displaying on the screen for testing |
| 16:18.22 | greycat | That redirection looks good to me. |
| 16:18.38 | greycat | As long as you don't intend to let users login on tty1 at the same time. |
| 16:19.42 | rneese | nope |
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| 16:19.53 | rneese | there is no login on this unit |
| 16:20.07 | greycat | Should be good, then. |
| 16:20.16 | rneese | it is a diapplsy only and a pre mapped usb key unit |
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| 16:22.33 | rneese | http://xkeys.com/xkeys/xk8.php |
| 16:22.56 | rneese | and it scrools screen tty1-8 |
| 16:23.09 | rneese | but currently only using 5 screens |
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| 16:33.34 | gikiam | Hello |
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| 16:34.58 | gikiam | I tried to setup ssh access without password on my server, and, messing with the permissions of .ssh and .ssh/authorized_keys, I now get ssh: connect to host stego port 22: Connection refused trying to connect. I still got some opened ssh connections, but that's a bit scary. What can I do? |
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| 16:37.59 | gikiam | help? I don't wanna lose my server for ssh failures. |
| 16:39.14 | gikiam | Oh, i found the problem, it was the debug ssh output which had closed, sorry. Have a nice day! |
| 16:40.45 | ninjazach | Always nice when you are able to figure it out yourself :) |
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| 16:43.58 | rnair | Hey guys...just wanted to know if Debian uses systemd |
| 16:44.13 | dvs | rnair: next release: Debian 8.0 |
| 16:44.28 | rnair | Cool |
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| 16:44.45 | greycat | it'a available as a "technology preview" in the current version but is not installed by default |
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| 16:45.50 | rnair | Will it be available in default repi |
| 16:45.56 | rnair | Repo* |
| 16:46.24 | greycat | It is in the default package repository already. |
| 16:46.45 | greycat | In the next version, it will be *installed* by default. |
| 16:47.31 | rnair | Ok nice |
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| 16:47.55 | rnair | Will checkout |
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| 16:49.03 | gikiam | I get China ssh root login attempts while debugging my ssh :(. |
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| 16:50.02 | greycat | Moving sshd to a different port number stops those. |
| 16:50.30 | greycat | (It can be a pain to update all the client configs, though.) |
| 16:51.09 | gikiam | Yep. That's not really nice. Or I can ban China by IP, maybe? :D |
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| 16:54.26 | Glanzmann | ?? mencoder |
| 16:54.32 | Glanzmann | ?? ffmpeg |
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| 16:55.21 | Glanzmann | Hello, jessie seems to lack mencoder and ffmpeg. How do you cope with that. Are there any repositories available or do you compile by yourself? |
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| 16:55.46 | greycat | Do wheezy's packages not work? |
| 16:57.16 | Glanzmann | Probably not because ffmpeg is incompatible to libav. |
| 16:57.27 | tremon | Glanzmann: yes, I compile manually |
| 16:57.28 | jelly-home | Glanzmann: if you absolutely need ffmpeg and can't live with libav stuff in jessie, you can grab it from unstable |
| 16:57.32 | Glanzmann | Of course someone could downgrade to wheezy or install wheezy in a chroot environment. |
| 16:58.17 | Glanzmann | tremon / jelly-home: I see. Actually I would like to reencode some movies and I have not yet found the equivalent of the ffmpeg binary from libav. |
| 16:58.47 | tremon | it's avconv, but it's not fully compatible in its arguments |
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| 16:59.00 | jelly-home | don't know enough about either to be helpful there |
| 16:59.22 | greycat | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 16:59.23 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.16-dmo1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.16-1; wheezy: 6:0.8.16-1; sid: 7:2.5.1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.5.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.5.2-dmo1 |
| 16:59.34 | Glanzmann | tremon: I see. |
| 16:59.55 | Glanzmann | Oh there is a jessie-multimedia. |
| 17:00.07 | greycat | doesn't know what sid-multimedia is, and neither does dpkg (the bot). |
| 17:00.11 | Glanzmann | But that is probably a third party repository. |
| 17:00.29 | Glanzmann | Probably debian-multimedia.org? |
| 17:00.49 | greycat | Dunno. The bot gave me snarky errors for sid-multimedia, sid multimedia, jessie-multimedia, and jessie multimedia. |
| 17:00.50 | tremon | that's deb-multimedia these days iirc |
| 17:00.51 | Glanzmann | Like in the good old times when Debian booted mplayer completly out? |
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| 17:01.11 | Glanzmann | Does someone have an apt line for that? |
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| 17:02.13 | greycat | Also, a package epoch number of 10: is pretty ridiculous. |
| 17:02.59 | bazhang | ,versions handbrake |
| 17:03.00 | judd | Package: handbrake on i386 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; wheezy-backports: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9~bpo70+1; sid: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; jessie: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; experimental: 0.10.0+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.0-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.0-dmo3 |
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| 17:03.37 | hariom | Hey guys, my servers time is lagging about 7 to 8 minutes. I have tried nptdate but it doesn't seem to work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9612107/ |
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| 17:04.37 | greycat | hmm, maybe a bad server in the us.pool? |
| 17:04.43 | Glanzmann | hariom: It looks like you have a firewall which blocks 123/udp. |
| 17:04.51 | greycat | that would be another possibility |
| 17:05.38 | tremon | also, wheezy-security has ntpdate 4.2.6p5 |
| 17:05.48 | Glanzmann | hariom: Try: ntpdate -v ntp0.uni-erlangen.de |
| 17:05.58 | hariom | Glanzmann: How can I ensure that its the firewall? How do I test it? On my server, all outgoing are working |
| 17:06.10 | Glanzmann | If it does not sync the time, you have a firewall on your system or you provider /corporate network which blocks it. |
| 17:06.32 | Glanzmann | hariom: Try the above command, if it gets through you have a firewall that blcoks it. |
| 17:06.36 | greycat | Also, don't try to run ntpdate if you are on a VPS. |
| 17:06.51 | Glanzmann | On the local system you can use iptables -L -n to see if you have any firewall rules in the output chain. |
| 17:07.04 | hariom | greycat: I am not vps (in cloud) |
| 17:07.19 | greycat | Try Glanzmann's .de server and see if that works. |
| 17:07.24 | hariom | greycat: not => on |
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| 17:07.34 | hariom | I am on vps. Servers are on cloud |
| 17:07.53 | hariom | Glanzmann: Same output like the link I shared before. |
| 17:07.56 | greycat | If you're on certain kinds of VPS, you can't set the time yourself, because you're sharing the clock with other VPSes. |
| 17:08.13 | greycat | You'd have to report the issue to the VPS provider and get them to install ntp+ntpdate. |
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| 17:16.45 | kisak | I have a shell script that I want to put in a common, unprivledged directory for any regular user to use, it there a more appropreate location than /usr/bin? |
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| 17:17.46 | kisak | (on debian wheezy) |
| 17:17.54 | greycat | Use /usr/local/bin |
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| 17:19.23 | kisak | is the ownership on that folder root:staff with 755? |
| 17:19.52 | kisak | I worded that wrong, is the sane permissions for the script in that folder ^ |
| 17:20.24 | greycat | owned by root, 755, group is irrelevant |
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| 17:58.18 | deber | hello. I want to create a usb bootable with the jessie installer. I downloaded a .iso, and I followed instructions in the install docs to cp the iso to /dev/sdb.. this seems to work except the USB is not bootable. I have used debian installer on the thumb drive in the past (wheezy). |
| 17:59.28 | deber | what am I doing wrong here? |
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| 17:59.37 | deber | are things different for jessie images? |
| 17:59.42 | pingfloyd | Did you use dd? |
| 17:59.55 | deber | I also dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 18:00.14 | deber | and dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 |
| 18:00.41 | deber | pingfloyd: yes |
| 18:00.45 | pingfloyd | The recommended way is use stable installer and dist-upgrade to testing |
| 18:01.00 | ompaul | deber: how did you download the iso file? |
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| 18:01.15 | deber | ompaul: firefox from the debian mirrors |
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| 18:01.29 | ompaul | deber: use wget |
| 18:01.41 | deber | easy enough |
| 18:01.51 | pingfloyd | The testing image can have a lot of regression |
| 18:01.52 | deber | I shoujld have probably used checksum |
| 18:02.02 | pingfloyd | Check the sha1sum if in doubt |
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| 18:02.47 | pingfloyd | It is a good idea to always check it |
| 18:04.17 | pingfloyd | Your dd line looks fine too, btw |
| 18:05.25 | ompaul | pingfloyd: you are using the testing image? |
| 18:05.37 | ompaul | pingfloyd: sorry missed that - |
| 18:05.51 | pingfloyd | ompaul: no |
| 18:06.01 | ompaul | pingfloyd: you are not using the testing image? |
| 18:06.12 | pingfloyd | ompaul: you mean deber |
| 18:06.18 | ompaul | ok I have the right glasses on now :) |
| 18:06.31 | pingfloyd | Deber is |
| 18:06.39 | ompaul | deber: the function of the testing installer is to test the installer |
| 18:06.44 | ompaul | it is not to install from |
| 18:07.02 | pingfloyd | Yep |
| 18:07.15 | ompaul | !testing install |
| 18:07.17 | ompaul | !testing installer |
| 18:07.39 | ompaul | meh thanks bot |
| 18:07.41 | ompaul | !testing installer |
| 18:07.41 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:07.49 | ompaul | deber: ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 18:07.50 | pingfloyd | deber: I think you should just do it the recommended way |
| 18:08.17 | pingfloyd | So many problems averted if you do |
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| 18:08.26 | ompaul | deber: the supported way, such as it is, is as follows: install stable, dist-upgrade to testing |
| 18:08.40 | ompaul | dist-upgrade not safe upgrade or any other crazy thing |
| 18:08.46 | pingfloyd | That's what I was telling him earlier |
| 18:08.53 | ompaul | you may have to dist-upgrade once or twice |
| 18:09.08 | deber | ompaul / pingfloyd thank you for clarifying for me! |
| 18:09.10 | ompaul | pingfloyd: I need bigger glasses that take in the full screen |
| 18:09.11 | ompaul | :) |
| 18:09.31 | ompaul | goes away to hide behind the wall on the dark side of the moon with all the animals |
| 18:09.33 | pingfloyd | ompaul: haha |
| 18:09.57 | pingfloyd | deber: np |
| 18:10.04 | ompaul | deber: now you know :) |
| 18:10.20 | pingfloyd | I run jessie too |
| 18:10.29 | deber | yes, I did not (previously) know about the proper way to install testing. Jessie is new to me |
| 18:10.37 | deber | I generally run stable |
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| 18:10.51 | ompaul | deber: why do you think you need testing? |
| 18:11.12 | pingfloyd | deber: that's ok, just pass on the word to others making that mistake. |
| 18:11.15 | deber | ompaul: to test if HDMI works on a laptop |
| 18:11.21 | deber | pingfloyd: of course |
| 18:11.42 | deber | ompaul: I could not get hdmi working on wheezy, oothers seem to have success on jessie |
| 18:11.57 | Bartleby | "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the Jessie Beta 2 release of the installer, after checking its errata." |
| 18:11.58 | deber | ubuntu was able to use the hardware |
| 18:12.13 | deber | Bartleby: that's where I saw that! |
| 18:12.20 | deber | I started there :) |
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| 18:12.30 | deber | while looking up mirrors |
| 18:12.35 | someHuman | hi |
| 18:12.37 | deber | and usb install docs |
| 18:12.45 | someHuman | I have a freaking problem with Debian. |
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| 18:12.59 | someHuman | It takes too damn long for it to safely remove my stick. |
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| 18:13.15 | someHuman | Like this one |
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| 18:13.43 | Bartleby | someHuman: This isn't an NYC mayoral election. |
| 18:13.50 | someHuman | That's been showing up for already 5 minutes WTF! |
| 18:13.52 | someHuman | -__ |
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| 18:13.55 | someHuman | -_- |
| 18:14.03 | someHuman | Sorry I'm just annoyed. |
| 18:14.05 | debian_uzer | would you refer icedove over evolution. at the time try to migrate to evolution. |
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| 18:15.50 | ompaul | someHuman: df -h and put it into http://paste.debian.net |
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| 18:16.41 | abcd593 | Hi, I have two separate servers configured almost identically that run nginx on Debian Wheezy (one is a backup server). Several days everything went Ok. Now one went down (no pings). Once I have redirected the traffic on the second it went down as well. nginx/error.log show only this: 2014/12/24 19:04:40 [info] 2142#0: Using 32768KiB of shared memory for push module in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:73 What is wrong? Which logs should I check?? T |
| 18:16.43 | abcd593 | hank you in advance |
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| 18:20.03 | ompaul | abcd593: web server - were they vms etc |
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| 18:20.23 | ompaul | abcd593: syslog and /var/log/nginx if you use it |
| 18:20.25 | greycat | abcd593: well, a kernel/hardware crash is probably not gonna be in the nginx log. |
| 18:20.44 | greycat | nginx is just an HTTP daemon |
| 18:20.53 | Bartleby | ompaul: Why is it not advisable to do as the web page says? |
| 18:21.34 | StatelessCat | Merry xmas ! : http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k342/ryan7654321/ryan7654321tux/asher-santaclause-8642.png |
| 18:22.03 | ompaul | Bartleby: w3hich page what subject which conversation? |
| 18:22.06 | greycat | abcd593: I don't have a specific answer, but what I would do is "cd /var/log; ls -lart" to see the most recently modified logs, and then "tail -100" each of the recently-modfied ones to see what the most recent lines are |
| 18:22.07 | tremon | Bartleby: I agree the webpage could be more clearer, but there is a semantic difference: we are recommending not to "install testing" at all |
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| 18:22.49 | abcd593 | thank all of you |
| 18:23.05 | abcd593 | I'll start pastebin... |
| 18:23.47 | ompaul | abcd593: use the debian one - it doesn't spam or captcha |
| 18:23.51 | hariom | Can you see what is wrong in this bash script? When I run this from supervisord, I get file write permission error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/9612531/ |
| 18:24.05 | abcd593 | http://paste.debian.net/138005/ |
| 18:24.34 | abcd593 | syslog |
| 18:24.45 | ompaul | abcd593: that is your network card |
| 18:25.03 | abcd593 | what is wrong with it? |
| 18:25.21 | ompaul | its spamming your syslog |
| 18:25.42 | ompaul | abcd593: is that box local or is it very far away |
| 18:25.53 | abcd593 | does it have a hardware problem? |
| 18:25.58 | tremon | abcd593: if this is a virtual machine, I'd start examining the host system |
| 18:26.02 | greycat | It might be a cable problem too. |
| 18:26.12 | ompaul | vm was a question not answered |
| 18:26.12 | abcd593 | no, its a real server |
| 18:26.23 | ompaul | location |
| 18:26.26 | Bartleby | Does the standard wheezy installer create an efi partition if started in uefi mode? |
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| 18:26.29 | ompaul | beside you |
| 18:26.29 | tremon | abcd593: are both servers connected to the same switch? |
| 18:26.39 | abcd593 | tremon: no |
| 18:26.56 | abcd593 | tremon: it is the same provider, but they should be in different cities |
| 18:26.58 | ompaul | based on some network card spamming |
| 18:27.13 | ompaul | how are you connecting to it |
| 18:27.17 | abcd593 | ompaul: what do you mean with vm? |
| 18:27.22 | ompaul | virtual machine |
| 18:27.27 | abcd593 | ompaul: ssh |
| 18:27.54 | ompaul | abcd593: so when you ssh into it which port are you connected to |
| 18:28.03 | abcd593 | ompaul: a... so it is a dedicated server not a virtual one |
| 18:28.05 | tremon | hariom: run it with bash -x, to find out in which line it is failing |
| 18:28.13 | ompaul | abcd593: ifconfig do you have more than one network card |
| 18:28.30 | ompaul | abcd593: ifconfig -a |
| 18:28.45 | abcd593 | the strange thing is that it happens on both servers |
| 18:28.46 | greycat | hariom: the first problem *I* saw in the script is you have a cd command but you don't check whether it succeeded before moving on. |
| 18:28.59 | abcd593 | I don't believe both of them have the same hardware issue |
| 18:29.41 | abcd593 | ompaul: only eth0 and lo |
| 18:29.47 | ompaul | abcd593: you can believe anything you like but you migrated one config to the other |
| 18:29.54 | ompaul | abcd593: you then lost the server |
| 18:30.09 | ompaul | abcd593: that points to either something killing the service |
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| 18:30.35 | ompaul | abcd593: or the service getting killed from outside |
| 18:30.35 | greycat | which service? those rl8169 messages are from the kernel driver |
| 18:30.38 | tremon | abcd593: so, you can ssh into it, but it doesn't respond to pings nor does nginx serve any pages? |
| 18:30.47 | ompaul | greycat: the nginx seems you can get onto the box |
| 18:31.16 | abcd593 | tremon: pings disappear once I put the traffic on it |
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| 18:31.33 | greycat | I'm not sure if those rl8169 messages are actually a fatal problem or not, though. There may be something else not yet discovered. |
| 18:31.41 | tremon | that might indicate a problem with either offloading or congestion |
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| 18:31.50 | abcd593 | tremon: and it hangs. Then I remove the traffic (through DNS), reset the server, and I can ssh on it |
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| 18:32.46 | ompaul | abcd593: run the following command ping -c 3 -s 1500 www.google.com |
| 18:33.28 | abcd593 | ompaul: where from? from the server? |
| 18:33.31 | ompaul | yes |
| 18:33.35 | ompaul | the server |
| 18:33.54 | abcd593 | no pings |
| 18:34.03 | ompaul | hang on |
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| 18:34.30 | ompaul | abcd593: run the following command ping -c 3 -s 1500 74.125.24.147 |
| 18:34.33 | abcd593 | ompaul: what does this command mean? |
| 18:34.51 | ompaul | please run it - and paste the output in http://paste.debian.net |
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| 18:35.05 | ompaul | it is sending three pings to google and asking for the MTU setting |
| 18:35.21 | ompaul | when network cards go foul you may see this behaviour it is guess |
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| 18:35.31 | rm-rf | Merry Christmas! |
| 18:35.47 | ompaul | but if it works then we can dismiss some of the less esoteric things about the card |
| 18:36.11 | ompaul | abcd593: what is it saying |
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| 18:36.25 | abcd593 | http://paste.debian.net/138007/ |
| 18:36.59 | tremon | try -s 1472 |
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| 18:37.20 | ompaul | abcd593: ^^^ |
| 18:37.39 | ompaul | abcd593: are they in data centres or on DSL somewhere? |
| 18:37.52 | abcd593 | http://paste.debian.net/138008/ |
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| 18:38.06 | abcd593 | no it is better |
| 18:38.09 | abcd593 | now |
| 18:38.18 | ompaul | abcd593: are they in data centres or on DSL somewhere? |
| 18:38.20 | abcd593 | data centers |
| 18:38.24 | ompaul | tremon: nice catch |
| 18:38.55 | malgorath | i just installed debian 7 via netinstall, was wondering if there is a way to upgrade python to 2.7.5+ as my version only shows 2.7.3 |
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| 18:38.59 | abcd593 | so, what does it tell you? |
| 18:39.11 | tremon | ,v python |
| 18:39.12 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; sid: 2.7.8-2; jessie: 2.7.8-2 |
| 18:39.38 | abcd593 | btw. you guys are really rescuing me here from troubles - thank you... |
| 18:39.57 | ompaul | abcd593: it tells us you can get to the outside world, now please do two uparrows and change the ip to www.google.com (the 1472 thing) |
| 18:40.12 | malgorath | is sid and jessie new versions coming out? |
| 18:40.13 | ompaul | abcd593: run the following command ping -c 3 -s 1472 74.125.24.147 |
| 18:40.26 | greycat | Jessie is the "testing" version which will become Debian 8. Sid is unstable. |
| 18:40.27 | tremon | malgorath: sadly, no 2.7.5 available. Is there a specific reason/package why 2.7.3 is not enough? |
| 18:40.34 | ompaul | malgorath: jessie will be a release some day |
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| 18:40.54 | ompaul | !sns |
| 18:40.54 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 18:40.57 | malgorath | tremon: I been using 2.7.5 on my laptop with a project and I didn't want to get mixed version issues |
| 18:41.16 | abcd593 | http://paste.debian.net/138009/ |
| 18:41.26 | tremon | sid will always be sid, it will never be released. jessie+1 will be called stretch, I've seen mentioned somewhere |
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| 18:42.01 | ompaul | abcd593: your dns is less than good |
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| 18:42.10 | nettlejam | Hi. Since upgrading to Jessie, whenever I use apt-get to install something I get a message about the kernel version not being the expected one: "The currently running kernel version is 3.16.0-4-kirkwood which is not the expected kernel version 8.1." |
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| 18:42.30 | ompaul | abcd593: look at the timing differences between the two things the ip and google |
| 18:42.34 | nettlejam | What is kernel version 8.1? I thought kernel versions were inthe 2 and 3s? |
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| 18:43.02 | nettlejam | I have rebooted after actual kernel upgrades. |
| 18:43.11 | tremon | nettlejam: they are, not sure where the 8.1 is coming from |
| 18:43.14 | ompaul | nettlejam: are you on a vps |
| 18:43.41 | malgorath | tremon: so jessie is in beta still? |
| 18:43.50 | nettlejam | ompaul: no, but it is a QNAP NAS on which I'm running Debian |
| 18:44.05 | tremon | yes, and will be for at least a few months |
| 18:44.07 | nettlejam | (hence the kirkwood kernel, kirkwood being a family of ARM cpus) |
| 18:44.19 | ompaul | you said NAS I'm paying no further attention they break my brain sorry |
| 18:44.23 | abcd593 | ompaul: x5... is this the DNS of the data center? |
| 18:44.38 | ompaul | abcd593: no idea where you are getting your dns from - you didn't tell us |
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| 18:44.43 | nettlejam | ompaul: Basically it's a normal computer, based on ARM |
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| 18:45.03 | tremon | nettlejam: did you run into issues with the dist-upgrade? I've been putting it off |
| 18:45.38 | abcd593 | ompaul: I didn't change DNS on that server, so it must some standard DNS from their install image |
| 18:46.02 | ompaul | abcd593: two questions, how expensive is the hosting |
| 18:46.03 | abcd593 | ompaul, tremon: anyway DNS is not what makes the trouble here, right? |
| 18:46.22 | abcd593 | 42Euro/month |
| 18:46.22 | nettlejam | tremon: no issues, everything seems fine, except that weird message I get after installing anything with apt-get. It basically warns me that my kernel isn't the expected '8.1' version, and that I should reboot manually since reboots aren't automatic. |
| 18:46.27 | ompaul | abcd593: it was taking over half a seconds |
| 18:46.52 | ompaul | abcd593: it was taking over half a second to get a reply so your box is most likely answering a pile of questions it can't answer due to some traffic |
| 18:47.02 | tremon | nettlejam: maybe you can search for that 8.1 version, e.g. grep -r 8.1 /etc/{kernel,initramfs,modprobe.d} |
| 18:47.09 | ompaul | abcd593: is the server running atm |
| 18:47.24 | abcd593 | ompaul: what is atm? |
| 18:47.28 | ompaul | at the moment |
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| 18:47.43 | ompaul | the nginx or is it crawling |
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| 18:48.25 | abcd593 | ompaul: yes it runs Ok, but I moved live traffic away... could it be a DDOS? but I doubt it... |
| 18:48.37 | hariom | tremon: After add -x to bash script, I see this line in the output: mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/run/gunicorn': Permission denied |
| 18:48.37 | nettlejam | tremon: The only reference to '8.1' there is a comment saying to look at section 8.1 of the Debian kernel handbook ;) |
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| 18:48.44 | nettlejam | in a couple postinst and postrm scripts |
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| 18:48.53 | abcd593 | ompaul: nginx runs |
| 18:48.53 | hariom | greycat: How would you check if cd was successful? |
| 18:49.03 | ompaul | abcd593: type this time host www.theregister.co.uk |
| 18:49.04 | abcd593 | ompaul: nginx runs Ok |
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| 18:49.15 | abcd593 | in the ping? |
| 18:49.29 | tremon | nettlejam: can you paste the full output of apt-get install -f? does it reappear with that command? |
| 18:49.31 | nettlejam | This has been happenign for a month or so, and I just looked at an earlier screenshot I took, and it was complaining in a similar way but the expected kernel version then was '7.7_' |
| 18:49.35 | greycat | hariom: cd "$DJANGODIR" || exit |
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| 18:49.44 | ompaul | abcd593: no - the command is time host www.theregister.co.uk |
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| 18:50.09 | ompaul | what are the three times just type them |
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| 18:50.16 | nettlejam | tremon: thanks - one sec |
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| 18:50.42 | nettlejam | tremon: nope, that runs without incident, finding nothing to do. |
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| 18:51.13 | abcd593 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/138012/ |
| 18:51.16 | tremon | nettlejam: and dpkg --configure --pending? (will probably also do nothing, but still...) |
| 18:51.42 | nettlejam | tremon: nope, that exits with no output. |
| 18:51.57 | ompaul | abcd593: so it took over 100ms to get a reply that given that half the time is out and the other half is back (approx) |
| 18:52.03 | nettlejam | It's popping up when installing a package, at the 'scanning kernel images...' stage |
| 18:52.16 | ompaul | abcd593: you got huge network congestion if you use dns |
| 18:52.20 | tremon | hariom: well, you probably need to put your pidfiles and logfiles in your homedirectory, as your user can't write to /var |
| 18:53.03 | ompaul | abcd593: if it was me I'd start at looking at changing the DNS to google for a while to see if it got faster looking things up |
| 18:53.18 | ompaul | right now seems that queries are taking so much longer than they should |
| 18:53.24 | abcd593 | ompaul: how do you know that this make server hang? |
| 18:53.38 | ompaul | abcd593: I don't but if you don't eliminate things as you go and test them again |
| 18:53.42 | ompaul | you don't get anywhere |
| 18:53.57 | tremon | abcd593: you could install ifstat to do traffic/bandwidth monitoring |
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| 18:54.25 | abcd593 | ompaul: I don't think I use DNS somewhere... right now nginx is used to deliver media... there is no even php or so |
| 18:54.25 | ompaul | abcd593: the times you are getting are somewhere outside of the circle marked abysmal |
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| 18:54.55 | ompaul | abcd593: your machine doesn't do a reverse lookup for the response |
| 18:55.02 | ompaul | in uyo |
| 18:55.05 | ompaul | in your logs |
| 18:55.28 | abcd593 | how do I check it? |
| 18:55.30 | ompaul | abcd593: then install this and run this if you can |
| 18:55.36 | ompaul | jnettop |
| 18:55.45 | ompaul | and run jnettop -i eth0 |
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| 18:55.52 | ompaul | and watch your bandwidth use |
| 18:56.05 | tremon | nettlejam: ah, in that case, what's the output of ls -l /boot? |
| 18:56.31 | ompaul | abcd593: we ran two tests that are abysmal for DNS one was the response time should have been at or under 0.060 not 192 |
| 18:56.35 | abcd593 | ompaul: is it as ifstat suggested by tremon? |
| 18:56.36 | ompaul | and ping times to good |
| 18:57.02 | hariom | tremon: ok, I am running my supervisor app using 'root' and the actual server i.e. 'gunicorn' is set to run as 'nobody' 'nogroup'. It has started the server and created required log and pid directory. But in ps -aux I see the main 'gunicorn' processs is running as root |
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| 18:57.07 | hariom | tremon: which is security risk |
| 18:57.15 | nettlejam | tremon: ls -l /boot output here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9612741/ |
| 18:57.26 | ompaul | abcd593: choose either |
| 18:57.32 | greycat | hariom: well, if you want to run it as a different user, you need a command like su or sudo in the script to drop privileges down to the desired user |
| 18:57.47 | mu3ble | hi guys, I'm having some trouble opening files in emacs with "open with". |
| 18:57.54 | mu3ble | It used to work fine, any ideas? |
| 18:57.54 | ompaul | abcd593: the thing I showed you gives a top like output of bandwidth use |
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| 18:58.36 | ompaul | abcd593: given this - you could ping an ip fast - but you can't look one up an address (specifically) quickly and turn it into something to ping |
| 18:58.46 | tremon | hariom: or use start-stop-daemon with the --chuid option |
| 18:58.47 | ompaul | abcd593: and it is essentially the same ip ... |
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| 18:59.29 | hariom | tremon, greycat: ok |
| 18:59.40 | ompaul | abcd593: be aware that ping times of over 150ms make the internet considered unusable by google |
| 19:00.04 | greycat | snobs! |
| 19:00.19 | abcd593 | ompaul: I installed it... what would like to see me pasted? |
| 19:00.22 | hariom | tremon, greycat: I will be connecting from another net connection as powercut will happen and this connection will go down. |
| 19:00.28 | greycat | (I guess they mean on a server, not on a dial-up terminal connection....) |
| 19:00.29 | hariom | brb |
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| 19:00.36 | ompaul | abcd593: look at your bandwidth use how high is it that is all read it for a min or so |
| 19:00.53 | ompaul | abcd593: you can't paste from that |
| 19:01.03 | ompaul | you need to read it yourself and look at where your bandwidth is going |
| 19:01.11 | rebauld | /ca/ca |
| 19:01.23 | rebauld | /ca/ca |
| 19:02.04 | rebauld | ha i thought my accidental /ca/ca elicted all the spam but it was just coincidence - but thanks anyway ignossi |
| 19:02.47 | abcd593 | ompaul: right now I have almost nothing there... as I told I have removed live traffic from the server, otherwise it hangs... I need to find the reason for this hanging... |
| 19:03.01 | ompaul | abcd593: well we see you have no dns |
| 19:03.14 | ompaul | that is functioning with any great speed |
| 19:03.18 | ompaul | you should have |
| 19:03.33 | abcd593 | ompaul: so how do I change it to something better? |
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| 19:03.47 | ompaul | abcd593: did I mention testing by changing the dns to googles |
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| 19:04.03 | abcd593 | where do I change it? |
| 19:04.04 | greycat | I guess he needs more explicit instructions. |
| 19:04.13 | ompaul | abcd593: you want that level of help? |
| 19:04.29 | ompaul | abcd593: who installed the box? |
| 19:04.34 | abcd593 | ok, I'll google it |
| 19:04.36 | abcd593 | me |
| 19:04.38 | ompaul | abcd593: no |
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| 19:05.04 | ompaul | abcd593: I'm presuming you have an /etc/bind directory |
| 19:05.07 | greycat | Does the box get an IP address from a DHCP server, or is the IP address statically assigned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 19:05.18 | greycat | I would not presume that. |
| 19:05.26 | abcd593 | I'll check ... |
| 19:05.36 | ompaul | greycat: I see what your thinking and I like that |
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| 19:06.07 | abcd593 | ompaul: there is no /etc/bind |
| 19:06.12 | ompaul | abcd593: right |
| 19:07.05 | abcd593 | greycat: the IP is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:07.21 | greycat | OK, then you should be able to edit /etc/resolv.conf directly without worrying about DHCP undoing your changes. |
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| 19:07.51 | greycat | Google's public nameserver addresses are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 19:08.27 | abcd593 | should I comment out the old ones? |
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| 19:08.40 | abcd593 | there are 3 for IP4 and 3 for IP6 |
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| 19:08.52 | greycat | Just putting Google's at the top should be enough |
| 19:09.53 | abcd593 | and now run ping -s ... test? |
| 19:09.54 | rebauld | letting google know your dns is rediculous - do you have any idea what is really going on on modern web pages? why not use iptables to log what dns is really resolving |
| 19:09.58 | ompaul | please do |
| 19:10.35 | rebauld | use your own isp or populate /etc/hosts |
| 19:10.37 | ompaul | rebauld: because on xmas eve trying to check if something is an issue one looks for the fastest way to do so they are not doing it for long |
| 19:10.44 | greycat | rebauld: one step at a time here... he's diagnosing a web server that's hanging under high traffic |
| 19:10.50 | abcd593 | http://paste.debian.net/138014/ |
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| 19:11.01 | ompaul | yay |
| 19:11.08 | ompaul | that's down by a factor of 10 |
| 19:11.20 | abcd593 | thank you |
| 19:11.24 | ompaul | but that's not all |
| 19:11.29 | abcd593 | what now? |
| 19:11.33 | ompaul | you need to fix DNS now you know that is a possible problem |
| 19:11.42 | ompaul | you've only shown that you have one problem |
| 19:11.48 | ompaul | fix that and then test the site |
| 19:12.09 | ompaul | you have testing what is most likely a fix |
| 19:12.45 | ompaul | just noticed that I have to fix a web site myself 19:12 on xmas eve I should be having pints and playing darts |
| 19:12.46 | abcd593 | the change is already there... so I just need only to move the traffic back and see, right? |
| 19:12.53 | ompaul | well you can do that |
| 19:12.59 | tremon | slow dns should only be an issue if nginx (or some other components, tcpwrappers) is doing reverse dns on incoming connections |
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| 19:13.19 | tremon | abcd593: I would tail all logfiles in an active ssh session before moving traffic back |
| 19:13.19 | abcd593 | ok, let's see... |
| 19:13.22 | ompaul | tremon: which most likely it is for loggint |
| 19:13.48 | ompaul | tremon: at least mine does but I have another issue :-( back shortly |
| 19:13.50 | tremon | ompaul: if it is, then that in itself is a major performance drain :) |
| 19:13.58 | greycat | I'd strongly recommend turning that *off* if something is doing reverse DNS while logging.... |
| 19:14.27 | abcd593 | tremon: which logfiles exactly should I tail? |
| 19:14.40 | greycat | Not only is it poor performance, but if DNS changes in between writing the log and you reading the log, you can get incorrect information from the logs. |
| 19:14.42 | ompaul | abcd593: what kind of bandwidth do you have |
| 19:14.56 | tremon | abcd593: at the very least, both nginx' access and error logs, syslog and kern.log |
| 19:15.04 | abcd593 | min 200MB/s |
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| 19:15.36 | abcd593 | tremon: should I paste it? |
| 19:16.18 | tremon | abcd593: only once the box hangs again, we don't need it as long as it's working fine |
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| 19:17.07 | Wraith- | how to locate string in various files ? ex: "name=Danillo in 1.txt and 2.txt"... |
| 19:17.20 | greycat | Wraith-: grep "name=Danillo" *.txt |
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| 19:19.51 | Wraith- | greycat, tnx |
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| 19:20.44 | ompaul | shoots nginx in the configs |
| 19:20.59 | abcd593 | ompaul: it looks working now |
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| 19:21.12 | abcd593 | thank you and all the others very much!!! |
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| 19:21.18 | ompaul | abcd593: so make some proper dns configs |
| 19:21.44 | abcd593 | ompaul: can leave the google dns there? |
| 19:21.50 | ompaul | abcd593: I wouldn't |
| 19:21.52 | abcd593 | can I leave |
| 19:21.56 | abcd593 | why? |
| 19:22.04 | greycat | You can leave it there until you get a working nameserver of your own. |
| 19:22.10 | ompaul | beacuse I want to control my own servers and have knowledge of what is going on |
| 19:22.18 | ompaul | abcd593: and what he said |
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| 19:22.55 | ompaul | goes back to his very demented config of his own web server |
| 19:22.59 | videocall | i am new to GNU/Linux and managed to install Wheezy on a Pentium IV laptop. It works fine. I do not have a webcam but i was told that i can use my old Android 2.2 mobile as a webcam. Unfortunately, i have not found a newbie friendly howto that is is specific to Wheezy. Can anyone help me? |
| 19:23.06 | tremon | abcd593: what you have now is not really a solution btw, but you have made it less critical by using acceptable dns servers |
| 19:23.21 | abcd593 | you mean not my own DNS, but that of my provider, right? |
| 19:23.48 | tremon | yes, those are really not acceptable and you should probably let them know |
| 19:24.16 | tremon | abcd593: the real issue is having to do those dns lookups at all, but if you do, having your own recursive dns server is probably the best option |
| 19:24.45 | abcd593 | can we figure out what makes those lookups? |
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| 19:24.55 | abcd593 | it is not something I did... |
| 19:24.58 | ompaul | abcd593: no I mean your own dns |
| 19:25.19 | ompaul | you don't have to use your own provider but maybe if you cycled though all theirs you could find which one responds well |
| 19:25.30 | ompaul | and then find that they have an issue with one and you get somewhere like that |
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| 19:25.38 | ompaul | you get to report one and tell them about it |
| 19:25.44 | greycat | I'd rather install djbdns and use 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:26.07 | ompaul | abcd593: ^^ now that is a good idea for the easiest way to do dns |
| 19:26.28 | ompaul | goes back to this demented idea he had |
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| 19:26.57 | stryngs | For a .deb control file with a Pre-Depends line, if that .deb has preinst/postinst, it will not execute them, until the Pre-Depends .debs have been fully installed and all associated postinst/preinst accomplished, yes? |
| 19:27.24 | abcd593 | Ok, I'll do... maybe provider has temporary problem with dns - I didn't get such things before... |
| 19:27.33 | petn-randall | videocall: I'm not aware of any way to accomplish that. For it to work it would have to show up as webcam via e.g. USB, and I'm pretty sure that's not the case. |
| 19:27.35 | dob1 | hi, i have my home partition that can't be mounted, at boot i get UNEXCEPTED INCONSISTENCY RUN fsck MANUALLY, can someone help? |
| 19:27.43 | tremon | stryngs: I thought it was stronger than that, I thought a pre-depends even prevents installation (unpacking) of the .deb |
| 19:27.45 | abcd593 | but my question now is - why nginx needs the dns at all? |
| 19:27.48 | stryngs | dob1: Liveboot and do it that way |
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| 19:28.11 | stryngs | tremon: I'm not sure, but i'm building a .deb that absolutely requires pre and post done on the Pre-Depends, so i'm checking |
| 19:28.17 | dob1 | stryngs, it's not mounted so i don't need a live cd, i run fsck but it's the same |
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| 19:28.24 | stryngs | If i read the manual correctly, then i am right, but im trying to verify =) |
| 19:28.40 | tremon | stryngs: the real answers to such questions are available in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 19:28.43 | stryngs | fsck --help, and figure out the lines u need to do? |
| 19:28.55 | stryngs | interesting, k tremon thanks |
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| 19:29.28 | dob1 | stryngs, well i read the man page, so i can't figure out which option to use... |
| 19:31.08 | tremon | abcd593: it's not certain that it's nginx doing the dns lookups, it might be a firewall, logger or something else entirely. You may be able to get some info by creating an iptables LOG rule, that also logs the requesting program, or use netstat -p to find open connections on port 53 |
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| 19:35.57 | abcd593 | tremon: do I need to figure out what exactly does the lookups to eliminate it? |
| 19:36.39 | abcd593 | tremon: or contacting provider and making them fix it should be enough? |
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| 19:38.56 | tremon | abcd593: that's your call. Given the time and date, I wouldn't spend more time on it until Monday, but yes, I would look to eliminate the lookups altogether |
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| 19:39.47 | abcd593 | what are acceptible times for such lookups? |
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| 19:42.19 | tremon | I'd want them under 2 seconds, especially if using dns servers that are geographically close |
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| 19:42.59 | Bartleby | Ok, I reinstalled with the standard installer to stable, and lo and behold, the weird glitchy fonts in fbterm are still present. |
| 19:43.59 | TheQuestionmark | They show ToyStory right now on TV... Wheezy! |
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| 19:45.09 | abcd593 | tremon: you mean 2 ms? or 2 s? |
| 19:45.17 | greycat | Then login as your normal non-root account, and use sudo for whatever needs doin'. |
| 19:45.18 | phy1729 | garyserj: then you need to use sudo |
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| 19:45.42 | Bartleby | Any suggustions? |
| 19:46.11 | greycat | Bartleby: file a bug report on the package, or look for already-open bug reports on the package, or ask in #debian-next on OFTC? |
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| 19:46.36 | garyserj | phy1729: thanks.. that worked.. In fact, I did `sudo su` got in, then did passwd and changed the password |
| 19:46.46 | greycat | excellent |
| 19:46.46 | Bartleby | greycat: This is in stable |
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| 19:47.32 | gadsdin | how can i get apt-get -s upgrade to show both the current version and the version to be installed? -V doesn't work |
| 19:47.39 | tremon | abcd593: 2 seconds for uncached lookups; 2ms is already more than the round-trip time over most wan links, you'll never reach that for dns lookups |
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| 19:47.59 | greycat | Well, there are no open bugs against fbterm with 'font' in them... |
| 19:47.59 | Klaus_D11ter_ | hello world |
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| 19:48.54 | Klaus_D11ter_ | I am having trouble setting up ipv6 masquerade: ip6tables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ovpn-inet -s fd37:8b73:35:8::/64 -j MASQUERADE leads to: ip6tables v1.4.14: can't initialize ip6tables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?). ok so I looked for the kernel module nf_nat_ipv6 but I cannot find it using apt-cache search. So: how do I install it? |
| 19:49.13 | Bartleby | I'm pretty sure it's not a bug tbh, I was hoping someone would say something like 'lol, he forgot to install <foo> and configure <something about console fonts>' |
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| 19:50.00 | greycat | I use X. |
| 19:50.03 | ompaul | abcd593: 2ms is good 2 seconds is four times as long as it was previously |
| 19:50.31 | ompaul | tremon: I must send you a switch ;-) |
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| 19:50.50 | Klaus_D11ter_ | this is what uname says: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:51.48 | ompaul | abcd593: so the rule is simple, smaller is better |
| 19:52.03 | ompaul | abcd593: acceptable is when your web site is running with lots of spare capacity |
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| 19:52.44 | abcd593 | ompaul: 14.842/14.895/14.936/0.039 ms is what I see on my last ping... its neither 2ms nor 2s ... I'm confused |
| 19:52.57 | ompaul | abcd593: that's good |
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| 19:53.33 | ompaul | abcd593: after a few seconds you should be seeing that on a ping no additional options |
| 19:53.40 | tremon | Klaus_D11ter_: nf_nat_ipv6 is not available for the 3.2 kernel. Either it was not compiled in (unlikely), or it was only added to the Linux kernel in later versions |
| 19:53.50 | ompaul | abcd593: I'd even say 50ms is ok |
| 19:54.14 | ompaul | abcd593: it depends on what you are doing and why - if you log stuff you should check what you log |
| 19:54.31 | Klaus_D11ter_ | tremon: :( |
| 19:54.43 | tremon | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:54.44 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; sid: 3.16+63; jessie: 3.16+63 |
| 19:55.00 | tremon | Klaus_D11ter_: there is a 3.16 kernel in wheezy-backports |
| 19:55.03 | abcd593 | ompaul: thats what I want to do right now - check why those reverse lookups are needed at all, and what does it... |
| 19:55.42 | Klaus_D11ter_ | tremon: well... 3.16 already contains batman and this is for a server that needs a specific batman version which is not in 3.16 |
| 19:55.54 | Klaus_D11ter_ | tremon: so basically... I am fucked. Thank you though for pointing this out. |
| 19:55.55 | ompaul | abcd593: so you can look back on what your server did |
| 19:56.09 | abcd593 | ? |
| 19:56.17 | ompaul | abcd593: when you understand your log file and what other things you can log what you want |
| 19:56.37 | ompaul | abcd593: happy learning in the near future some time |
| 19:57.02 | abcd593 | ompaul: I prefer not to log stuff if it can cause such problems.... |
| 19:57.39 | ompaul | abcd593: when something goes wrong how are you going to know what you have problems with |
| 19:57.40 | greycat | You want to log IPs, not hostnames. Hostnames are misleading. |
| 19:57.51 | ompaul | both if you can afford it |
| 19:57.56 | ompaul | and at the moment I imagine you can |
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| 19:58.19 | ompaul | abcd593: so learn what it is you are doing and stop operating in the dark so you can make your own decisions |
| 19:59.08 | abcd593 | now I'll try to use netstat -p as tremon has suggested... |
| 19:59.10 | ompaul | Turning things off because they are inconvenient is not the way forward, the better thing is to understand the resource and why you have it. |
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| 19:59.41 | ompaul | then if you need more resources you will get them / justify them |
| 20:00.05 | tremon | ompaul: yeah, blame me for timing nslookup on an idle server with an ice cold fs cache -- most of the time was probaby spent spinning up the disks :) |
| 20:00.05 | abcd593 | I agree... |
| 20:00.10 | abcd593 | thank all of you |
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| 20:07.27 | ompaul | abcd593: they install log files for a reason not just when you drop out of the sky into an irc channel |
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| 20:09.04 | abcd593 | ompaul: you seem to disagree with greycat (who suggests to log only IPs) and tremon... I'm a newbie - I don't know what is better... |
| 20:09.30 | Klaus_D11ter_ | tremon: however I could install the sources for this kernel image and compile the module, right? |
| 20:10.04 | greycat | Klaus_D11ter_: hopefully just the kernel-headers for your active kernel, not the full sources |
| 20:10.20 | ompaul | abcd593: |
| 20:10.25 | abcd593 | ompaul: you say that I should talk to the provider, let them fix the dns issue, and let the server log as before, right? |
| 20:10.30 | ompaul | abcd593: no |
| 20:10.58 | tremon | Klaus_D11ter_: right, assuming that the ipv6 nat module is available for the 3.2 kernel at all, which I haven't looked for |
| 20:11.00 | ompaul | abcd593: I'm saying this exactly this. |
| 20:11.29 | ompaul | abcd593: this is all I have to say, log what you got, learn what you log. |
| 20:11.32 | greycat | abcd593: roughly in priority order, (1) get your own working DNS nameserver, (2) configure applications correctly, (3) report hosting provider's flawed DNS nameservers so they can fix them |
| 20:11.47 | ompaul | abcd593: make your own dns it is more important that you make your own |
| 20:12.01 | ompaul | and then 3 as greycat said |
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| 20:13.52 | abcd593 | a... by (1) you mean that I need to configure my server to function as DNS, not just to use another one...? |
| 20:14.11 | greycat | It can be the web server box itself, or another host that you control and depend upon. |
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| 20:16.11 | abcd593 | (2) do you assume that applications are misconfigured? (nginx?) |
| 20:16.36 | greycat | If something is doing reverse lookups and logging only the hostname, I would consider that a misconfiguration (or a bug). |
| 20:17.30 | greycat | nginx would not be my first guess... more likely it's something nginx is handing the requests *to* |
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| 20:18.13 | abcd593 | I have only a pseudo-streaming module enabled there... |
| 20:18.48 | abcd593 | really simple configuration... |
| 20:18.53 | greycat | well, if you stumble across something's log files that don't look right, you'll have a place to start working |
| 20:20.21 | abcd593 | greycat: do I need to look for hostnames in the logs? |
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| 20:25.00 | ompaul | greycat: I log lots and only have 20/20 connection and we take uploads of photos and big pdfs |
| 20:25.22 | ompaul | not too busy a thing but frankly the logs are detailed enough to be useful |
| 20:25.32 | greycat | If you want to log both hostname *and* IP, fine... just don't log only hostnames. |
| 20:25.50 | ompaul | I log everything but the idea here is look in your logs |
| 20:25.58 | ompaul | and read them - he's not done that yet afics |
| 20:26.07 | abcd593 | true |
| 20:26.22 | ompaul | the idea that you can get a server up and running and abandon it is the short cut to a disaster |
| 20:26.39 | abcd593 | I'm learning by doing |
| 20:26.40 | ompaul | IT is not trivial |
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| 20:26.57 | ompaul | abcd593: you are learning the gaps in your knowledge :) |
| 20:27.10 | ompaul | as we all did |
| 20:27.13 | abcd593 | agreed |
| 20:27.14 | ompaul | and still do |
| 20:27.42 | ompaul | I still make incorrect assumptions (this evening about something I wanted to do) |
| 20:27.51 | ompaul | I put up an out of office for the next few days |
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| 20:28.01 | ompaul | on the web site - extranet |
| 20:28.06 | greycat | How DARE you try to go home on Christmas eve?! |
| 20:28.19 | ompaul | greycat: I am home it is 10:28 |
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| 20:28.21 | ompaul | woops |
| 20:28.24 | ompaul | greycat: I am home it is 20:28 |
| 20:28.46 | ompaul | still not a drink but the sherry is getting very attractive |
| 20:29.25 | ompaul | if I get my hands on that the trifle will not be a sherry trifle |
| 20:29.39 | abcd593 | thank you guys, I'll do my homework tomorrow... |
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| 20:29.46 | ompaul | abcd593: na do it monday |
| 20:29.55 | ompaul | abcd593: let the stuff sink in |
| 20:30.05 | abcd593 | :) |
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| 20:31.07 | ompaul | abcd593: also get a stack of paper and a pencil |
| 20:31.20 | ompaul | useful for writing out stuff - then correcting it on the fly |
| 20:31.28 | ompaul | images of what you think is happening |
| 20:31.35 | ompaul | then fill out the gaps as you learn more |
| 20:31.49 | ompaul | one day you'll have a book if it is still relevant you can publish it :) |
| 20:31.52 | abcd593 | interesting idea |
| 20:32.06 | abcd593 | :) |
| 20:32.09 | ompaul | abcd593: I use 2b/3b pencils |
| 20:32.31 | ompaul | my eraser sits in the palm of my hand and covers most of the space (when new) |
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| 20:32.41 | ompaul | cuppa tea time |
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| 20:33.27 | abcd593 | have a nice evening... bye... |
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| 21:12.47 | RickHull | Hi, i'm having trouble with (comcastic) ISP DNS servers, so looking into what I can do for a local dns cache |
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| 21:13.11 | greycat | djbdns and bind9 are the only ones I have experience with |
| 21:13.23 | RickHull | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration using NetworkManager on jessie, this says to check nm-tool |
| 21:13.28 | necron99 | I have seen some discussions in the mailing list regarding the system hanging on boot "lsb raise network interfaces". This only happens on one of my machines. I saw several workarounds, but is there an official way to fix this issue? I use wicd-curses to auto-magically connect to wifi and was wondering if perhaps that is causing it. Also, someone had said hotplug got replaced by udev so I must tell systemd to not use hotplug. In my |
| 21:13.28 | necron99 | etc/network/interfaces hotplug is indeed enabled. Another separate issue on the same machine is on shutdown, it hangs if I have nfs mounted. Obviously if I just unmount when I shut down, I imagine that would stop, but I was wondering if any one else is experiencing similar occurrences. Thanks for your help in advance and happy holidays. |
| 21:13.29 | rebauld | dnsmasq is good |
| 21:13.34 | RickHull | but jessie's NetworkManager doesn't include nm-tool |
| 21:13.56 | greycat | I don't know what nm is or does, and hope I don't ever have to find out. |
| 21:14.02 | RickHull | I have installed dnsmasq, but not that I'm on a laptop. all network devices are wifi -- I don't have linux or debian on a server/ethernet |
| 21:14.11 | rebauld | RickHull: ^^ and did you reverse the order of the dns servers they want you to use? |
| 21:14.11 | RickHull | s/not/note/ |
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| 21:14.54 | RickHull | my ISP gateway device (i.e. "router") uses DHCP to acquire DNS servers. all of my network devices connect via WiFi / DHCP to receive their DNS servers |
| 21:15.15 | RickHull | so at the moment, I don't have any manual or static DNS config |
| 21:15.20 | greycat | A simple djbdns dnscache service listening on localhost is really easy and lightweight, and doesn't have a security update every 2 weeks. |
| 21:15.50 | RickHull | greycat: ok, cool. that one rings a bell. i've used dnsmasq before, but it was tricky and I'm not sure it will really work on a laptop with wifi |
| 21:16.05 | greycat | If you get an IP through DHCP, you can configure the dhcp client *not* to overwrite resolv.conf. |
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| 21:18.30 | tremon | you can also configure (isc's) dhcp client to ignore the dhcp-supplied config, or modify (prepend) it |
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| 21:19.21 | greycat | What I do is delete the line that says "domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name," in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 21:19.52 | tremon | heh. I do "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1" :) |
| 21:20.08 | hassoon | is http://paste.debian.net/ working? gosh |
| 21:20.10 | hassoon | everything is weird |
| 21:20.15 | greycat | Can you also have it prepend a comment that says "Don't edit this file... edit blah blah instead"? |
| 21:20.19 | RickHull | i think the fact of NetworkManager complicates things for me. which is why https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration distresses me, because the section about NetworkManager and DNS is out of date for jessie |
| 21:20.29 | tremon | greycat: I don't think so |
| 21:21.02 | greycat | RickHull: just ignore all of that crap, unless NM somehow modifies resolv.conf, in which case burn it to the ground (or carefully configure it not to do that) |
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| 21:21.19 | RickHull | if it's not NM owning resolv.conf, it's resolvconf |
| 21:21.25 | greycat | Can you remove that? |
| 21:21.33 | RickHull | i don't think that's ideal for a laptop |
| 21:21.41 | RickHull | NM is useful in some respects |
| 21:22.26 | RickHull | NM wants to own ifaces, and select the active "gateway" based on "smart logic" (as i understand) |
| 21:22.34 | greycat | Sounds yucky. I wish you luck figuring out how to make shit leave your resolv.conf alone. I've seen people recommend "chattr +i resolv.conf" or whatever it is as a sledgehammer solution. |
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| 21:22.46 | RickHull | as far as that goes, it's been useful in that respect |
| 21:22.54 | tremon | resolvconf does not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf, it assumes that /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to its /run location. I will complain if /etc/resolv.conf is a file, but will not overwrite it iirc |
| 21:23.01 | rebauld | just copy a good one over the dhcped onbe |
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| 21:23.08 | pie_ | how can I install openjdk8 in wheezy? |
| 21:23.27 | greycat | rebauld: the thing with dhcp is it *continually* ovewrites it, every time it updates the lease. |
| 21:23.38 | greycat | rebauld: so you have to stop dhcp-client from doing that |
| 21:23.43 | RickHull | ignossi: any particular reason you are sending unsolicited PMs? |
| 21:24.12 | rebauld | that is why i use dhcpcd :) it has the -R and -N options |
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| 21:24.58 | Walex | ;1~/away |
| 21:25.05 | Walex | bah! |
| 21:25.16 | RickHull | humbug! |
| 21:25.20 | tremon | Walex: I can still see you o/ |
| 21:25.48 | videocall | hi, i was here earlier today, how can i retrieve the messages i typed in? |
| 21:26.11 | greycat | unless your IRC client logged it somewhere, you probably can't |
| 21:26.23 | videocall | i use xchat |
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| 21:26.38 | tremon | !irclog |
| 21:26.38 | dpkg | [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://thegrebs.com/irc/ |
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| 21:27.47 | tremon | hmm, that link doesn't work for me |
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| 21:29.15 | Walex | o/ ! :_) |
| 21:30.00 | Walex | pie_: interesting question :-) |
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| 21:30.42 | videocall | how can i use my old android 2.2 as a webcam on Wheezy? i tried droidcam but did not work. |
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| 21:37.58 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Any ideas if 'noatime' option when mounting a filesystem also implies 'nodiratime' or should I specify them both if I don't want access time to be updated for directories too? |
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| 21:39.18 | petn-randall | hid3: From reading the man page, I assume noatime implies nodiratime. But if you want to play it safe, you can specify both. |
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| 21:40.41 | DustyDingo | where can i configure the ACLs of devices in udev? |
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| 21:42.21 | hid3 | petn-randall, where did you find the info about that? In `man mount` I can't find it clearly stated that noatime also implies nodiratime.. |
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| 21:43.44 | petn-randall | hid3: "noatime: Do not update inode access times on this filesystem (e.g., for faster access on the news spool to speed up news servers)." |
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| 21:44.17 | tremon | hid3: noatime says "Do not update inode access times", whereas nodiratime says "do not update directory inodes [..]". Note the absence of "files" in the former |
| 21:44.56 | hid3 | Hm... That's quite philosophical but OK, thanks for that :) |
| 21:45.17 | tremon | also, http://lwn.net/Articles/245009/ , first response :) |
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| 21:46.02 | ompaul | noatime is only useful on something like a massive ftp server if you are taking things in and you are not in control of those things - you have a problem :) |
| 21:46.34 | petn-randall | hid3: This means all inodes, which can either refer to files or dirs. Since there is no exclusion, it's probably both. |
| 21:46.44 | tremon | on the other hand, when exactly is atime useful? I tend to turn it off for all my filesystems except /var |
| 21:47.11 | hid3 | well, the usage of atime highly depends on your setup and your needs... |
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| 21:48.03 | Guest72030 | If I download an iso and burn it to a dvd can I then just copy the dvd to a usb? |
| 21:49.03 | petn-randall | Guest72030: Sure. But why burn the DVD first then? |
| 21:49.13 | dvs | Guest72030: doubt it. The burner probably omits the first 512 bytes needed to boot from USB. |
| 21:49.59 | Guest72030 | well I HAVE burned them already, but the drive died :( |
| 21:50.17 | dvs | and you erased the original iso file? |
| 21:50.30 | Guest72030 | yes |
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| 21:53.48 | Guest72030 | better yet the only machine I have with a working drive is a win machine :( |
| 21:53.54 | Guest72030 | dvd drive I mean |
| 21:53.59 | jhutchins | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/<usb> should do it. |
| 21:54.27 | jhutchins | Guest72030: You can also dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/new.iso |
| 21:54.47 | jhutchins | Guest72030: THat should recreate the original iso - veryfy with md5sum. |
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| 21:55.50 | Guest72030 | jhutchins: humm is there a version of dd for win 8.1 I wonder? |
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| 21:57.19 | jhutchins | I think that win32diskimager whatsit might work. |
| 21:58.03 | Guest72030 | Okay I'll check that out, thank you guys |
| 21:58.17 | jhutchins | Guest72030: Good luck. Worst outcome you have to download again. |
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| 21:59.45 | Guest72030 | jhutchins: that's ture, but I got kind of interested in the question once I thought of it hehe. ;) |
| 22:00.12 | jhutchins | Strange, ntpd just updated and ntpq responds very slowly. |
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| 22:03.19 | jhutchins | Looks like maybe this box is synced to a server without rdns. |
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| 22:28.16 | hancock | j |
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| 22:54.06 | hancock | Can I install jessie packages in wheezy? |
| 22:54.14 | hancock | download* |
| 22:55.18 | tm512 | you can use wheezy-backports |
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| 22:55.43 | tm512 | or else you will probably run into dependency issues |
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| 23:00.57 | hancock | tm512, should I add jessie repositories directly into my sources.list? |
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| 23:01.13 | hancock | :) |
| 23:02.09 | dvs | hancock: you do that and you will be running jessie |
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| 23:03.57 | hancock | backporting = rebuilding the package from Debian sources on Wheezy? |
| 23:05.02 | dvs | !backports |
| 23:05.03 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 23:06.06 | hancock | If I put in some effort I guess it would be possible even for a noobie like myself |
| 23:06.52 | dvs | time? it's almost the same as adding jessie into the repo but it's another repo. |
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| 23:08.12 | hancock | Oh yeah, but you quoted what a backport is, but in this case I will have to create the backport |
| 23:08.24 | hancock | So in my case I will be compiling the code etc. |
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| 23:08.35 | dvs | !tell hancock about ssb |
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| 23:11.20 | hancock | neat |
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| 23:16.08 | someHuman | Merry Christmas! |
| 23:16.34 | dvs | bah humbug |
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| 23:17.48 | hancock | What is the difference between a deb and a deb-src line? |
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| 23:20.14 | sdollins | hancock: src is for source |
| 23:20.27 | sdollins | like to get the source code. |
| 23:20.37 | hancock | Oh right |
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| 23:23.47 | hancock | Does the order in which your debs and deb sources list in sources.list matter? |
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| 23:28.37 | hancock | dvs, how do I know what sid deb-src I am supposed to add? the package just says packagename (sid) |
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| 23:51.53 | cek | i have a tar.gz with debian/ in it. how do I build it. |
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| 23:52.19 | cek | on rhel, I'd do rpmbuild -tb file.tbz |
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| 23:59.11 | cek | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting |
| 23:59.23 | cek | it's not warning. it's ERROR: CAN'T BUILD PACKAGE. |
