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| 00:00.50 | a1b2c3 | netcat-traditional |
| 00:02.40 | a1b2c3 | that package is deemed as required or system? |
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| 00:04.29 | centrx | a1b2c3, apt-cache show netcat-traditional => Priority: important |
| 00:04.43 | a1b2c3 | nice they added a means of basic network communication |
| 00:04.46 | a1b2c3 | makes sense, thanks |
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| 00:08.23 | doublehp_ | I have a pinnacle DVB receiver, and downloaded the firmware; and found the initial file for my place. I don't get any error, but still can't discover any channel;who can help ? http://pastebin.com/4XZFCR4Y |
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| 00:17.54 | Miesco | Hi, how would I install grub on my EFI? |
| 00:17.58 | [w_w] | Man! upgrade has been giving me nothing but regressions... Network printers have stopped working. looks allot like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656640 but i can't find the fix... |
| 00:18.16 | Miesco | Or at least make EFI load my linux partition |
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| 00:18.34 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 00:18.34 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 00:19.15 | jhutchins | Miesco: It can be done. It can be tricky, so read up first. |
| 00:19.36 | jhutchins | Miesco: Grub has been working with efi since at leasat 2007. |
| 00:20.06 | Miesco | jhutchins: I have been reading a bit,GrubEFIReinstall? |
| 00:20.56 | Miesco | jhutchins: But the thing is I have a USB drive (soon to be internal in my laptop) that I am trying to fix to use EFI as opposed to legacy boot |
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| 00:31.23 | Miesco | Well I don't knwo what to do, I have /dev/sdc as my external hard drive which I want to set its's EFI directory to use grub |
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| 00:34.08 | Miesco | I think I get it, computers can't load external harddrives with legacy boot |
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| 00:41.44 | rawfodog | Does playdeb work in debian wheezy ? It seems oddly ubuntu only lol |
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| 00:44.54 | ROG3R | for the debian net install, internet connection is required, right? does it connect to wifi as well ? |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | ROG3R: no, and it can |
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| 00:45.57 | ROG3R | abrotman: I am reffering to debian-7.7.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:46.18 | ROG3R | 290bm in size |
| 00:46.58 | centrx | ROG3R, If you want to perform a network install, you need some kind of network connection to install software that you probably want |
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| 00:47.18 | centrx | ROG3R, For wifi, you should check to see what is required in Debian to support your particular device, e.g. non-free firmware |
| 00:47.33 | ROG3R | i am cableless but if wifi works then its ok |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | ROG3R: my answer stands |
| 00:47.51 | ROG3R | ok guys thx |
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| 00:55.27 | ROG3R | I am upgrading SSD firmare. te PDF says: The Samsung Performance Restoration DOS software is launched from the DOS Command |
| 00:55.30 | ROG3R | Prompt. F |
| 00:56.01 | ROG3R | what is the DOS Command |
| 00:56.01 | ROG3R | Prompt. |
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| 00:57.57 | centrx | DOS is a primitive operating system that might be used for this kind of rescue disk |
| 00:58.14 | ROG3R | ok |
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| 01:02.30 | Roxanna | hello i need help with my debian install |
| 01:02.41 | Roxanna | I installed a package from source and I have no idea how to remove it |
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| 01:06.01 | centrx | Roxanna, Unless the source package has an uninstall script, you have to find the files it installed and remove them |
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| 01:11.17 | Roxanna | ok thanks centrx |
| 01:11.33 | Roxanna | merry christmas |
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| 01:14.20 | ROG3R | guys I want to upgrade firmware for my samsung evo 840. i downloaded te linux patch for usb, but inside there s no iso. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/pc/support.html |
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| 01:16.35 | centrx | ROG3R, FYI this is different from getting the firmware _driver_ for Debian |
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| 01:16.57 | centrx | ROG3R, I don't how USB booting works, but there is an ISO file listed on that page for download |
| 01:17.25 | ROG3R | centrx: i burned that and doesnt boot, nothing happens |
| 01:17.56 | ROG3R | but as u can see tey say its for cd/dvd... as for usb they have the zip file, which contacts no iso. im confused |
| 01:20.06 | centrx | ROG3R, Click on the Installation Guide for the USB and scroll down to Preparing the Performance Restoration Software -> If you use a USB device |
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| 01:21.55 | ROG3R | centrx: how do I set USB drive into a âbootableâ state |
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| 01:22.50 | centrx | ROG3R, I don't know I think you have to use a program that does it, in which case you need an OS installed already, or use a different computer |
| 01:23.14 | ROG3R | ok |
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| 01:35.26 | ROG3R | centrx: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2nrwu9/updating_samsung_evo_840_ssd_firmware_from_linux/ |
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| 01:35.49 | ROG3R | they talk here about a command : ./magician |
| 01:36.03 | ROG3R | my debian doesnt recognize it |
| 01:37.08 | centrx | Looks that is another item of Samsung software |
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| 01:45.15 | SynrGy | ROG3R: that's not something from Debian, but from the software they say to download and extract. |
| 01:45.39 | SynrGy | it assumes you have changed the current working directory to where it is extracted. |
| 01:45.47 | SynrGy | cd wherever |
| 01:46.19 | SynrGy | "." is a relative path, meaning "the current directory" |
| 01:46.40 | SynrGy | hence, "./magician" is "run the executable in the current directory named 'magician'" |
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| 02:01.21 | elevation | sometimes in terminal my letter "e" key only makes it beep... any idea? |
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| 02:12.03 | doublehp_ | I can read DVB TV with mplayer; how can I see my signal level ? |
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| 02:21.16 | droidcam | has anyone managed to use their android mobile as a webcam with droidcam? |
| 02:21.39 | doublehp_ | droidcam: #android |
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| 02:23.30 | droidcam | has anyone managed to use their android mobile as a webcam with droidcam and then configure it with ekiga on Debian? |
| 02:23.52 | droidcam | doublehp_, the question is debian related |
| 02:24.14 | doublehp_ | android, debian ...how can concurrent distros be related ? |
| 02:24.48 | elevation | is it possible that a CD tray that was opening and closing fine would stop working after installing debian? (this is an old computer p3 550 mhz) |
| 02:24.59 | doublehp_ | (yes this is a tricky question, and I do have a non negative answer) |
| 02:25.00 | droidcam | droidcam is an application that can be installed on Debian GNU/Linux and so is ekiga |
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| 02:25.45 | doublehp_ | elevation: tried eject -t ? |
| 02:25.47 | droidcam | doublehp_, have you installed droidcam on Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 02:26.05 | elevation | nothing =( |
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| 02:26.30 | elevation | i just did a net install without the ethernet cable plugged in... and now i cant open the CD tray |
| 02:26.33 | elevation | wah |
| 02:26.35 | doublehp_ | elevation: yes, various things can lock the tray; reboot. If can eject during bios, it means you have a CD in, and probably a distro with automount. Just unmount and it will release the lock. |
| 02:26.52 | elevation | it didnt eject it before... |
| 02:26.54 | elevation | ill try power off |
| 02:27.23 | doublehp_ | droidcam: no, I am waiting for you to rephrase correctly your question. Youare aither using Android, *or* Debian. |
| 02:27.26 | elevation | also i know theres no CD in there |
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| 02:27.38 | elevation | when i push the button it makes a weird noise like its thinking about ejecting but gives up |
| 02:27.39 | droidcam | doublehp_, both |
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| 02:28.09 | elevation | when i was installing it said i was missing nonfree firmware prism_ru.fw |
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| 02:28.52 | doublehp_ | elevation: Never had the tray locked without CD inside; mount does the lock; after mount fails, lock expires after 5mn at most. Still, could be a driver bug.*could*. But still, it should eject in bios |
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| 02:29.04 | doublehp_ | elevation: manual eject with pin ? |
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| 02:29.46 | elevation | you can do that?? it has a tray.. |
| 02:29.46 | doublehp_ | droidcam: no; after you explain me how you have both (like I do), I wll ask again: in which distro did you install your app ? |
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| 02:30.06 | doublehp_ | elevation: prism is for Wifi. Unrelated |
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| 02:30.41 | elevation | oh hey omg there is a pinhole and it worked!! |
| 02:30.44 | elevation | <3 you doublehp_ |
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| 02:31.01 | doublehp_ | elevation: most cd drives have a small hole around; just insert a pin; about 2 or 3mm. a paper pin usually does |
| 02:31.02 | elevation | ive had this computer for 14 years and i had no clue there was a pinhole there! |
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| 02:31.11 | elevation | its like when i learned that girls do not in fact pee out the vagina |
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| 02:31.25 | elevation | yup dead on doublehp_ |
| 02:31.28 | doublehp_ | elevation: I sometime have this effect :) |
| 02:31.31 | elevation | paperclip was perfect size |
| 02:32.16 | elevation | im guessing its prob easier to just start over with the net-install since i did it before without ....being connected to the net |
| 02:32.25 | doublehp_ | elevation: some drives do NOT have this hole. |
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| 02:34.29 | elevation | yup lucked out tho |
| 02:34.32 | elevation | i have the hole! |
| 02:34.53 | elevation | /r/nocontext |
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| 02:38.42 | droidcam | i installed droidcam on Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy *and* on my android mobile. http://www.dev47apps.com/ |
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| 02:39.20 | droidcam | doublehp_, i installed droidcam on Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy *and* on my android mobile. http://www.dev47apps.com/ |
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| 02:40.28 | elevation | has anyone tried lildebi for android? |
| 02:40.36 | elevation | i have a droid iv im thinking about applying that to |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:40.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 02:41.08 | elevation | is lildebi off topic? |
| 02:41.25 | elevation | i would think that its okay seeing as its lildebian... but if theres a better channel please inform me |
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| 02:44.03 | abrotman | !lildebi |
| 02:44.04 | dpkg | Lil' Debi is an <android> app designed to put Debian in a <chroot>. Please seek support in #guardianproject on irc.freenode.net. See also https://github.com/guardianproject/lildebi and <mobile>. |
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| 02:44.31 | elevation | oh... i thought you could actualyl install debian onto android |
| 02:44.32 | elevation | damn |
| 02:44.38 | elevation | i dont understand the chrooot thing |
| 02:44.56 | elevation | i have a phone with a keyboard so i was thinking having command line would be sweet |
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| 02:45.59 | doublehp_ | chroot, keyboard, and cmd line are 3 unrelated topics, and all unrelated to debian |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | Uhm, no .. |
| 02:47.33 | doublehp_ | the point of chroot is to install a full debian in your phone, so that you can install all clasic apps, including ... legacy Firefox (aka IceWeasel, or IceDove, never know), OpenOffice, and so on ... |
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| 02:48.06 | doublehp_ | abrotman: no to what ? |
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| 02:51.08 | doublehp_ | elevation: no; root and chroot are usually uncompatible; except in rare specific cases. But apps can usually work in only one environment. |
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| 02:51.47 | elevation | so IS a full debian and not just an app |
| 02:51.56 | elevation | damn hm |
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| 02:52.04 | elevation | is there anything stopping me from installing a full debian install on a droid? |
| 02:52.22 | elevation | the phone im talking about has a superior chipset than the p3 i just install debian to |
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| 02:52.44 | elevation | im just running around installing debian on all the things lately lol |
| 02:52.51 | doublehp_ | elevation: yes, you usually need to install a fulldebian; a basic debootstrap is at least 350M; some geeks can do it in 180M. After installing basic services, you usually need 1 - 1.5GB |
| 02:53.19 | elevation | does that have to be on phone memory or would a SD card work? |
| 02:53.40 | doublehp_ | elevation: as long as you are root, can chroot, and got >1GB space, you can. |
| 02:53.49 | elevation | nice thanks! |
| 02:53.54 | elevation | (adds to next project list) |
| 02:54.08 | doublehp_ | elevation: depends on how it is installed. LinuxInstaller by Galoula can do both. |
| 02:54.21 | doublehp_ | never tried other concurent projects |
| 02:55.09 | elevation | im excited.. i love being able to *actually* control my own electronic devices |
| 02:55.18 | doublehp_ | elevation: sound has issues. Network can also have issues. Bugs may vary with original ROM, and exact Android version. There was changs in security handling from Android 2 to Android 4 |
| 02:56.23 | elevation | sound isnt too important to me, but network would be... of course it would be a wifi only device as its not the phone i have cell service on (could hot spot my main phone to it when im on the go, so i only need wifi) |
| 02:56.43 | elevation | basically i just want to have a device for when i want a computer, not a phone, but dont feel like opening up my backpack/lugging around my laptop |
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| 02:57.04 | elevation | not exactly sure what i would want it to do that android couldnt do for me |
| 02:57.26 | elevation | ssh is one |
| 02:57.48 | elevation | is there any logic in the line of thinking that its better to have all devices running the same OS for ssh? |
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| 02:58.02 | elevation | (laptop is debi, server is debi, phone is debi) |
| 02:58.23 | doublehp_ | elevation: Android includes ssh server and client since ages |
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| 02:59.59 | doublehp_ | in fact, my phone has 3 Android sshd, on 3 different ports. Plus 2 more ones in Debian. |
| 03:00.33 | doublehp_ | someof them are good for RSA auth (required for rsync backups), other ones for IPv6 |
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| 03:10.13 | elevation | so doublehp_ maybe i should just use the chroot lildebi so i can have both?? |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | wrong channel .. |
| 03:10.46 | elevation | its part of an earlier discussion we were having |
| 03:10.56 | abrotman | Which was also offtopic here .. |
| 03:11.20 | elevation | no. the question was. should i install debian on my phone because i have these use cases. |
| 03:11.33 | guest83924 | hi, |
| 03:11.49 | guest83924 | someone can help me with debian |
| 03:12.05 | elevation | offtopic, this channel is only for telling people they are being offtopic. |
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| 03:13.02 | guest83924 | how i can see the file in my linux from other computer? |
| 03:14.28 | guest83924 | someone can help me? |
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| 03:31.13 | elevation | very unimpressed |
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| 03:46.28 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: NFS? |
| 03:46.36 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: Or samba? What OS got your 2nd computer? |
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| 03:50.22 | guest83924 | a1b2c3: like window share. |
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| 03:51.29 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: and what OS got your second system with which are you accessing the first one? |
| 03:51.35 | a1b2c3 | windows? linux? *nix? osx? |
| 03:52.11 | guest83924 | my other computer is windows 7 |
| 03:52.19 | guest83924 | and here is debian 7 |
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| 03:52.25 | guest83924 | a1b2c3: ^ |
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| 03:52.48 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: using samba allows sharing like between windows computers. |
| 03:52.52 | a1b2c3 | Also it is easiest way to set up. |
| 03:53.09 | a1b2c3 | There is also NFS and such, but honestly, getting that running on windows, also as client, is quite painful. |
| 03:53.18 | guest83924 | how can i do it? |
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| 03:53.27 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: so your debian should share or access? |
| 03:54.20 | guest83924 | I want to keep the files on my Debian7 and access them from my Windows7 |
| 03:54.56 | guest83924 | a1b2c3: ^ |
| 03:55.15 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: that is even easier then as it doesn't involves mounting |
| 03:55.41 | guest83924 | So how do I do it? |
| 03:55.43 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: |
| 03:55.49 | a1b2c3 | https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple |
| 03:55.56 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: you can skip the client part though |
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| 03:56.44 | guest83924 | a1b2c3: I see this totorial, but there is no password protection, |
| 03:57.39 | a1b2c3 | guest83924: you can apply this to your existing samba installation: http://askubuntu.com/questions/208013/how-can-i-set-up-samba-shares-to-only-be-accessed-by-certain-users |
| 03:57.52 | a1b2c3 | Yes, it is ubuntu, but it is very similar to debian, so you can use it. |
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| 03:58.57 | guest83924 | a1b2c3: what is the "force user" |
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| 04:02.25 | guest83924 | what i need to do with it?Make sure that every user can access the common media folder on the unix side (without samba); alternatively, you can set force user in smb.conf |
| 04:02.45 | guest83924 | a1b2c3: ^ |
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| 04:03.44 | nurupo | guest83924: "force" is a verb |
| 04:04.03 | a1b2c3 | May the force be with you. |
| 04:04.04 | a1b2c3 | lol |
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| 04:05.01 | nurupo | actually nevermind, i shouldn't be speaking without knowing the context exactly |
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| 04:08.00 | nurupo | guest83924: read man smb.conf |
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| 04:21.00 | ROG3R | can anyone interpret the read speed of my ssd from this screenshot? http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot_2014-12-26_05_19_44-Bi10IbNB.1419567615.png |
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| 04:30.48 | ROG3R | is 255.19 MB/sec |
| 04:30.59 | ROG3R | is 255.19 MB/sec an acceptable speed for an samsung ssd ? |
| 04:31.04 | ROG3R | for reading |
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| 05:31.20 | superrorc | hi guys! |
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| 05:32.34 | superrorc | have trouble if directory listing on pure-ftpd ssl connetion, client log here http://paste.debian.net/plain/138114 |
| 05:32.51 | superrorc | Package pure-ftpd: i 1.0.36-1.1 |
| 05:33.05 | superrorc | Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy) |
| 05:33.24 | superrorc | any ideas pls? |
| 05:33.26 | Fusselkater | it seems, that your passive ports are not reachable |
| 05:33.40 | Fusselkater | it looses connection after entering passive mode |
| 05:33.55 | superrorc | i use shorewall |
| 05:34.05 | superrorc | whats port i should o[en? |
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| 05:34.34 | Fusselkater | you should be able to configure a passive port range in pureftp. and you have to open these ports |
| 05:34.54 | superrorc | ok! thanks! |
| 05:34.59 | superrorc | will doing it |
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| 05:52.11 | superrorc | Fusselkater: goi it!!! Status: TLS/SSL connection established, Status: TLS/SSL connection established. |
| 05:52.27 | superrorc | Status: Directory listing successful =) |
| 05:52.29 | superrorc | nice |
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| 06:04.21 | Viking667 | 'llo all. I've got a weird question. I can't seem to find bashdb in apt. apt-cache search bashdb (on wheezy) results in nothing |
| 06:04.30 | Viking667 | so, where have I gone wrong? |
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| 06:05.56 | Viking667 | I checked the packages site, it's in wheezy all right, but doesn't show up on my computer, funnily enough. |
| 06:06.43 | Lady_Aleena | Viking667, have you run apt-get update? (It is all I can think of.) |
| 06:07.22 | Viking667 | oh ouch. site not reachable (404) |
| 06:07.52 | Viking667 | That's changed somewhat recently |
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| 06:26.08 | Viking667 | right, problem sorted... or will be very very soon. |
| 06:26.42 | Viking667 | thanks. |
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| 07:17.08 | guest83924 | how can i connect to debian with remote desktop?? |
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| 07:43.38 | shingouz | guest83924: afaik, you do not. use ssh instead. |
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| 08:18.12 | jelly-home | guest83924: there's xrdp if you really need a remote desktop service. No idea how secure its connection is. |
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| 08:20.24 | Bluewolf | Hi all, anyone know if there are Linux drivers to this printer/sublimation machine? - http://www.jgelectronics.com/sublimation-printers#ricoh-sg3110 |
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| 09:09.27 | guest83924 | jelly-home: |
| 09:09.52 | guest83924 | i want to install samba |
| 09:10.03 | guest83924 | you can guide me step by step? |
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| 09:21.22 | jelly-home | guest83924: nope, sorry |
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| 09:21.39 | knosys | Hello guys. Is it possible to ask how to proceed to install nvidia graphics in Wheezy 7.7 ? |
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| 09:22.00 | knosys | I have added to my repository the non-free, should I add the backports? |
| 09:22.04 | babilen | knosys: Sure, you may ask. The answer will probably be: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:22.28 | babilen | knosys: You can add backports and you can also install the driver from there. |
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| 09:27.29 | uwe | I upgrade from wheezy to jessi without problems. reboot, login via ssh and did a autoremove. than reboot again. now i can not login via ssh. sshd seems to be dead. is there a known bug? I reboot in a rescure system and the only one i found in the logs was "Exiting on signal 15" |
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| 09:29.07 | uwe | any ideas how to debug this? |
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| 09:33.28 | babilen | uwe: Could you paste /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:33.36 | babilen | (and other relevant information) |
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| 09:37.22 | uwe | http://paste.debian.net/138124/ |
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| 09:38.51 | tpo | guest83924, search the internet for "Howto samba debian" |
| 09:39.17 | uwe | the sshd config I always used: http://paste.debian.net/138125/ |
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| 09:41.21 | tpo | uwe, unless I'm mistaken during wheezy->jessie upgrade the login permissions are tightened, so you can not log in with a password but only with an ssh key. Is this maybe the problem? |
| 09:41.43 | tpo | uwe, you should also say how far you get, maybe do "ssh -vvv ..." |
| 09:41.58 | Bluewolf | Hi all, anyone know if there are Linux drivers to this printer/sublimation machine? - http://www.jgelectronics.com/sublimation-printers#ricoh-sg3110 |
| 09:42.12 | uwe | I used a key, not a password. the password is only for fallback. login with the key does not work. |
| 09:42.44 | uwe | will try with -vvv, just a second... |
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| 09:43.28 | xinming | Hi, Just curious, No debate on init system of debian. Will systemd still be default init system for future debian releases? |
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| 09:44.14 | jelly-home | xinming: yes. |
| 09:44.16 | tpo | uwe you can also tail /var/log/auth.log on the server |
| 09:45.01 | xinming | jelly-home: Is there any info for this? Because I saw there is another vote about wether systemd should be default init system. |
| 09:45.30 | uwe | Hmm ... I am very surprised. after i reboot again I can login now. |
| 09:45.36 | jelly-home | xinming: not sure what you saw. |
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| 09:45.46 | tpo | uwe, lol, that's a good surprise! :-) |
| 09:45.51 | uwe | but I am sure I can not before |
| 09:46.40 | tpo | uwe, did sshd have a problem with starting up the time before? |
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| 09:47.04 | uwe | maybe. not sure. how can I check this? |
| 09:47.14 | tpo | maybe a race with mounting partitions, or a race for TCP ports or something similar? |
| 09:47.46 | xinming | jelly-home: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/11/19/043259/debian-votes-against-mandating-non-systemd-compatibility |
| 09:47.55 | xinming | jelly-home: Maybe I misunderstood the vote. |
| 09:48.27 | uwe | but thanks for all |
| 09:48.39 | tpo | uwe, not sure about the timing - you'll have to insert "echo foobar" into the boot process so you can track what gets done when, when you changed to systemd during upgrade then you should also be able to use systemd tools to verify that |
| 09:49.07 | sandman13 | not again I thought this fuss about systemd was over |
| 09:49.11 | jelly-home | xinming: sounds like it |
| 09:49.52 | jelly-home | xinming: this wasn't about which init was going to be default, that was already agreed upon. |
| 09:50.03 | guest83924 | hi |
| 09:50.09 | uwe | I can only access the maschine with ssh when ist up. |
| 09:50.15 | tpo | xinming, that vote only says that packages are not required to be compatible with any particular init system |
| 09:50.28 | guest83924 | hi, |
| 09:50.50 | tpo | uwe, that's expected, or isn't it? |
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| 09:51.15 | guest83924 | how i can check if i have 3d acceleration? |
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| 09:51.52 | tpo | guest83924, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+i+can+check+if+i+have+3d+acceleration%3F+linux |
| 09:51.59 | uwe | Must I changed to systemd? |
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| 09:52.15 | jelly-home | xinming: it was a more complex issue, that considered whether other packages absolutely have to support multiple init systems or not (result: no, supporting just one init is fine) |
| 09:52.49 | tpo | uwe, your question is ambiguous. Are you asking whether you did switch over to systemd, or whether you need to switch over to systemd? |
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| 09:52.56 | guest83924 | tpo: but in debian |
| 09:53.11 | guest83924 | debian is not every linux. |
| 09:53.23 | tpo | guest83924, second result on that page is ubuntu, which is very similar to debian |
| 09:53.32 | uwe | tpo, I used this maschine without X only for kvm. I dont need systemd I guess. |
| 09:54.43 | guest83924 | tpo: with this command? |
| 09:54.43 | guest83924 | glxinfo | grep direct |
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| 09:56.47 | guest83924 | tpo: I've get "yes" |
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| 10:04.18 | uwe | tpo: I reboot again I now I am not able to login again: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 10:04.37 | uwe | looks like the sshd does not start by random |
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| 10:08.40 | uwe | Now I used ssh -vvv, thats the output: http://paste.debian.net/138126/ looks like anything with RSA. Whats this? |
| 10:09.48 | tpo | uwe, so 1. the server *does* start |
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| 10:10.46 | tpo | uwe, 2. it seems that the problem is on the client side, since ssh is not able to access /home/uwe/.ssh/id_rsa |
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| 10:11.37 | uwe | tpo: to 2.) but why it work before the reboot of the server and not touching the client? |
| 10:12.15 | uwe | maybe related to my sshd_config? http://paste.debian.net/138125/ |
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| 10:14.17 | tpo | uwe, it's weird, don't know, your sshd config looks sane - you *do allow* login via password. I wonder why you don't get to the password prompt. |
| 10:15.03 | uwe | I renamed the key and did not a password prompt too |
| 10:15.25 | uwe | with wheezy I newer had ths problem. I wonder. |
| 10:15.52 | tpo | how did you rename the key? ssh needs to find it. How does it find the key? |
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| 10:16.56 | uwe | tpo: just rename it so ssh can not find it and give me the prompt, to test it. but did not give me a prompt. |
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| 10:19.07 | uwe | tpo: now I moved my complete ~/.ssh to start with clean config. but the same. not able to login (with paswort). no prompt |
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| 10:21.52 | tpo | uwe, did you check /var/log/auth.log on the server? |
| 10:22.27 | uwe | I am not able to login. how should i check it? |
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| 10:24.16 | tpo | uwe, you said you were able to reboot into a rescue system. There you can check the log. Do I misunderstand the situation? |
| 10:24.31 | uwe | tpo: I used openssh Question: I installed dropbear on whezzy. per default it was not start (on whezzy). But after the update to jessi, is it able dropbear changed the config and try to start? |
| 10:24.59 | uwe | tpo: ok .. just a minute to reboot to rescue ... |
| 10:25.07 | tpo | uwe, one more thing that comes to mind: are you using fail2ban? That could also be preventing your logins... but it would not prevent the password prompt... |
| 10:26.12 | osram | fail2ban would prevent the password prompt. |
| 10:26.20 | tpo | tpo, I do not understand, are you using dropbear or openssh? Did you switch from dropbear to openssh during the upgrade? |
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| 10:26.27 | uwe | tpo: i did not use fail2ban or similar to this. |
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| 10:27.09 | tpo | osram, how would it be able to do so? fail2ban works via iptables, so either you can connect or not, it can not say prevent password login, but allow key login |
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| 10:27.48 | uwe | I used openssh, but dropbear is installed (and start is not permitted) to login und enter the passwort for the luks during initram |
| 10:27.50 | knosys | hello again. Guys I am trying to run a game and I am having this error: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 10:28.14 | knosys | I installed ia32-libs , I am using debian wheezy 64 bit |
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| 10:28.30 | osram | tpo: exactly. So if you can't connect you obviously won't get a password prompt. |
| 10:28.45 | tpo | osram, but uwe can connect ... |
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| 10:29.09 | knosys | there is a file called libGL.so.1 in /usr/lib/x86_x64-linux-gnu/ |
| 10:29.56 | osram | tpo: oh right - sorry. |
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| 10:31.17 | tpo | uwe, so are not using openssh any more? You are using dropbear now? And the config file you pasted was dropbear's config? I unfortunately do not know anything about dropbear. I'd not expect that you can use the previous openssh configuration for dropbear. |
| 10:31.30 | uwe | tpo: ok, dropbear is not the problem. there is NO_START=1 in /etc/default/dropbear. |
| 10:31.35 | tpo | osram, no worries, thanks for the heads up! |
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| 10:31.56 | tpo | uwe, so I have no idea what dropbear has to do with this? |
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| 10:33.57 | tpo | uwe, I *think* you can also see in the log of the connect "aka ssh -vvv" that it's openssh that is picking up the connection. So I think this all has nothing to do at all with dropbear? |
| 10:34.11 | uwe | ok, back to Openssh ... before the last reboot, all was fine ... I see successfull logins in the auth.log... http://paste.debian.net/138128/ |
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| 10:34.22 | uwe | but after the last reboot, there is nothing |
| 10:34.56 | tpo | uwe, you can see in that paste, that you are running systemd there |
| 10:35.58 | uwe | Ok, I see. but I did not understand how can this help me. |
| 10:36.21 | tpo | does anybody here know whether port 22 is mediated via systemd? In other words could it be that it's a problem of systemd or systemd-sshd interaction? |
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| 10:36.57 | uwe | My openssh does not run on 22. see nopaste above. |
| 10:37.55 | uwe | I used my own port, only changed in the sshd_config. maybe that a problem with systemd? |
| 10:38.56 | tpo | uwe, I actually do not think so |
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| 10:39.13 | tpo | uwe, so you have 2 problems as far as I understand |
| 10:39.24 | tpo | uwe, 1. you don't get a password prompt |
| 10:39.35 | osram | Firewall? |
| 10:39.35 | tpo | uwe, 2. loging in via key fails |
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| 10:40.23 | tpo | osram, he can connect though, so unless I misunderstand stuff the firewall is not interfering (?) |
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| 10:41.05 | tpo | uwe, I'd try to get 2. running first |
| 10:41.14 | osram | In that case a look on his config might help. |
| 10:41.17 | osram | *at |
| 10:41.29 | tpo | osram, http://paste.debian.net/138125/ |
| 10:42.01 | tpo | osram, looks fine, doesn't it? |
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| 10:43.09 | osram | Yep, can't see anything obvious. |
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| 10:43.39 | tpo | uwe, is there anything special in the server:$USERS_HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 10:43.41 | uwe | tpo: but I dont understand this: 1) I rebot and it doesn not work (no chances on server and client), 2) I reboot again and all is fine (no chances on server and client), 3) I reboot again (no changes on server and client) its the same like 1. So it must be a problem on the server. |
| 10:44.11 | tpo | uwe, does the server's IP remain the same from boot to boot? |
| 10:45.07 | tpo | uwe, maybe you have an IP address conflict, i.e. two machines fighting for the same (server) IP? |
| 10:45.09 | uwe | yes, the same IP. there is nothing special in authorized_keys. only the one key is used allways and no other options. |
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| 10:45.52 | uwe | tpo: if there was a conflict, I should see this in the logs? |
| 10:46.03 | tpo | uwe, no you wouldn't |
| 10:46.55 | tpo | uwe, I'm not sure what would exactly happen, i.e. whether you would be able to connect at all, but it would be all timing dependent, i.e. which machine replies first to some TCP package |
| 10:47.03 | uwe | but I have s static IP on the server I allways used. If I reboot the server I can see it on the ping and the dns give me allways the same ip |
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| 10:47.49 | tpo | you would have a lot of retransmits for that TCP connection, i.e. it would be very slow, while the two machines fight with each other. But I'm out of my depth here, I'm not a TCP specialist unfortunately. |
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| 10:48.11 | uwe | I guess there is any deps with systemd. I newer had this before switch to jessi |
| 10:48.35 | tpo | uwe, it doesn't have to be a problem with systemd |
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| 10:49.08 | tpo | in my /etc/init/ssh.conf it just says "start sshd" |
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| 10:49.17 | tpo | it's not port-activated |
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| 10:49.26 | uwe | I will reboot again now, and with a bit lucky I will ablte to login |
| 10:49.45 | tpo | so that's not any different then it was before with sysvinit that you were (supposedly) using before |
| 10:49.55 | uwe | if that happen now, i am really confused |
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| 10:50.14 | tpo | uwe, yeah, that's a good idea, and then have a very close look at /var/log/* |
| 10:50.35 | tpo | try to understand all the entries, that might give you a hint |
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| 10:53.02 | mugenmbxsei | ciao |
| 10:53.05 | mugenmbxsei | !list |
| 10:53.05 | dpkg | mugenmbxsei: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 10:54.28 | uwe | tpo: ok, no luck this time. can not login. same as before. |
| 10:54.45 | SynrGy | i'm only just now catching up ... |
| 10:54.52 | tpo | uwe, weird, try again :-< |
| 10:55.00 | uwe | Connection established but no login, and no password prompt. |
| 10:55.01 | SynrGy | openssh changed some defaults for which ciphers and kex it allows |
| 10:55.20 | SynrGy | if you connect from an old system that doesn't know how to do the new ciphers/kex, you may not be able to get in |
| 10:55.47 | SynrGy | and ssh -vv should give you enough detail to see it fails on that part of the negotiation |
| 10:55.54 | tpo | SynrGy, but would that prevent him to log in via password? |
| 10:56.12 | tpo | SynrGy, http://paste.debian.net/138126/ <- "ssh -vvv" |
| 10:56.32 | tpo | SynrGy, http://paste.debian.net/138125/ <- "sshd.conf" |
| 10:56.41 | SynrGy | even if you use password, it still needs to encrypt the connection using an agreed upon cipher |
| 10:56.57 | tpo | SynrGy, ah, indeed |
| 10:58.03 | uwe | tpo, SynrGy : not understand this now. can explain in simple english please? |
| 10:58.12 | SynrGy | please read the changelog about which ciphers are disabled |
| 10:58.16 | SynrGy | it's the old cbc ones |
| 10:59.03 | uwe | should it work if I remove my complete ciphers line from the config to use the defaults? |
| 10:59.08 | tpo | SynrGy, but anyway, this all would not result in uwe being able to log in, then reboot, not possible any more, then reboot, possible again, etc. ? |
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| 10:59.33 | SynrGy | uwe: no, it's the new *defaults* that *cause* the problem |
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| 10:59.50 | SynrGy | if you have an older client that doesn't know the new *default* ciphers, it won't be able to connect ... |
| 11:00.07 | SynrGy | you would have to reenable ciphers now considered insecure if your client doesn't know the new ciphers |
| 11:00.09 | tpo | also, uwe, "man sshd", you should be able to increase LogLevel and see a lot more info from sshd on a failing/successful connection |
| 11:00.27 | SynrGy | on OpenVMS, i was bitten by both the ciphers change *and* the KEX |
| 11:00.35 | SynrGy | on other clients, i don't know |
| 11:00.48 | tpo | uwe, that's "man sshd_config", sorry |
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| 11:01.09 | uwe | SynrGy, can you tell me a cipher that definity should work? So I can test it on server&client |
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| 11:02.27 | SynrGy | http://paste.debian.net/plain/138130 |
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| 11:02.42 | KakuRoze | Do anyone have a link for a working dark colorscheme for vim? A obsidian maybe, those I found only colors some keywords rest is white. |
| 11:02.55 | SynrGy | uwe: you'll see there i reenabled the -cbc ciphers |
| 11:03.29 | SynrGy | i probably didn't need to reenable arcfour. all i did was list all ciphers available and enable them all |
| 11:03.32 | KakuRoze | Similarly, whats a good color scheme for ls? Cause currently, files which have 777 privileges get light blue foreground and light green background, almost impossible to read |
| 11:03.32 | uwe | ok, if I used this on client & server it shoudl work? So, I will test now .... |
| 11:03.45 | SynrGy | the -ctr ciphers replace the old insecure -cbc ones |
| 11:03.49 | SynrGy | on the server |
| 11:03.55 | osram | KakuRoze: solarized and badwolf spring to mind. |
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| 11:04.05 | SynrGy | uwe: that's an excerpt from my /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:04.12 | SynrGy | i didn't need to change anything on the client |
| 11:04.59 | uwe | ok, thanks. I will try now .. have to reboot the rescue system .. can take minutes .... |
| 11:05.08 | SynrGy | of course, if you do this and it works, you're weakening the security of the server (but no worse than before you upgraded) |
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| 11:05.48 | osram | uwe: it might be an idea to just comment out your ciphers line and use defaults (which may work) instead. |
| 11:06.02 | SynrGy | osram: see my explanation about why that won't work |
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| 11:06.26 | SynrGy | about 7 minutes back |
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| 11:06.56 | osram | SynrGy: I doubt he's using OpenVMS as his client. |
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| 11:07.13 | osram | But yeah ... |
| 11:07.16 | SynrGy | i didn't say OpenVMS is a necessary ingredient to trigger the problem |
| 11:07.20 | SynrGy | just "old ssh" |
| 11:07.37 | SynrGy | any ssh lacking the -ctr ciphers |
| 11:08.03 | osram | How old would that have to be? |
| 11:08.12 | SynrGy | not very |
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| 11:09.00 | osram | Hmm.. Interesting. Not an issue I've come across. |
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| 11:09.47 | KakuRoze | Ty osram |
| 11:10.10 | KakuRoze | Is it normal for things to say "cannot connect to local keyring"? |
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| 11:11.18 | osram | KakuRoze: No idea. Probably not. |
| 11:12.13 | SynrGy | osram: hmm. well, it may be that it needs to be older than i think ... in 2008: http://lwn.net/Articles/307873/ |
| 11:12.17 | uwe | tpo, SynrGy : No luck. Same as before. |
| 11:12.29 | SynrGy | uwe: revert the change, then. i don't know what your issue is |
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| 11:12.58 | uwe | SynrGy, but thanks to help me. |
| 11:13.24 | SynrGy | the -vvv log you pasted is very shy on details ... |
| 11:13.38 | SynrGy | and doesn't have some things i recalled seeing from when i first hit this issue. |
| 11:13.42 | SynrGy | so i'm stumped |
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| 11:15.42 | uwe | but the problem MUST be on server side. with wheezy I newer had ths problem |
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| 11:16.16 | babilen | uwe: Can you ssh from the server into itself? |
| 11:16.17 | uwe | the best will be I revert to wheezy |
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| 11:16.38 | tpo | uwe, did you try to switch on Debug logging on the server and compare successful and failed login procedure? |
| 11:16.55 | uwe | babilen, I have not other way to login instead off ssh. so I cant test. |
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| 11:17.15 | SynrGy | how can you change the server config if you can't login except via ssh? |
| 11:17.33 | tpo | SynrGy, rescue system |
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| 11:18.01 | SynrGy | then can't you ssh to yourself by running the sshd inside the chroot? |
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| 11:19.20 | uwe | SynrGy, I am not know it is possible to do so. just boot the rescue system and chroot, and then how to start the sshd? |
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| 11:21.17 | SynrGy | the usual way. i have stuff to do, maybe other helpers can step in? |
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| 11:22.35 | KakuRoze | Damn... still blue on green.... |
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| 11:24.50 | uwe | I give up now. :( I will return to wheezy. |
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| 11:25.18 | SynrGy | you'll learn nothing by that |
| 11:26.11 | uwe | ok, I will try LogLevel=DEBUG3 before. that the right one? |
| 11:26.18 | _littleb | hi people, I'm trying to compile transmission, especially it's deamon (service) from source. But it apparently is bound as a user program that needs to be started every time by a user. I sure that I'am missing something but I don't know what. can someone help? |
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| 11:26.47 | bazhang | ,v transmission |
| 11:26.48 | judd | Package: transmission on i386 -- squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy-security: 2.52-3+nmu2; wheezy: 2.52-3+nmu2; sid: 2.82-1.1; sid: 2.84-0.2; jessie: 2.84-0.2 |
| 11:27.02 | bazhang | why compile it |
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| 11:29.49 | babilen | judd: v transmission-daemon |
| 11:29.50 | judd | Package: transmission-daemon on i386 -- squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy: 2.52-3+nmu2; wheezy-security: 2.52-3+nmu2; sid: 2.84-0.2; jessie: 2.84-0.2 |
| 11:29.50 | uwe | great ... because the lot of hardresets now the raid1 syncronize ... :( |
| 11:30.16 | ompaul | soft reset is sort |
| 11:30.18 | ompaul | soft reset is soft |
| 11:31.03 | SynrGy | ompaul: system only contactable by ssh and ssh not working |
| 11:31.11 | _littleb | bazhang: well the problem is that my downloads at my community from the debian package doesn't really start. I compiled it in a vbox, where I have to start the program via shell in order to get a download |
| 11:31.58 | uwe | SynrGy, now I get a "Received disconnect from x.x.x.x: 2: Packet corrupt" during working in the resuce system. maybe thats a hint? |
| 11:32.17 | SynrGy | getting an ip another system has? |
| 11:32.18 | ompaul | SynrGy: sounds like site visit time |
| 11:32.51 | ompaul | SynrGy: well a ping -b and arp -a will tell you what has what ips |
| 11:33.04 | SynrGy | well, he's able to use a rescue system with it |
| 11:33.18 | tpo | ompaul, I guess that's a machine hosted by Hetzner, so no onsite |
| 11:33.20 | SynrGy | i don't know what the physical hosting is |
| 11:33.43 | ompaul | tpo: there is it just costs more |
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| 11:36.22 | tpo | uwe, so it could really be that there's an IP address conflict. Then you should mind ompaul's suggestion and find out. Because reverting to wheezy would not help you in that case... |
| 11:37.08 | tpo | but actually "Packet corrupt" could be caused by other things as well |
| 11:37.34 | uwe | now i boot the system and sshd with logLevel=DEBUG3. |
| 11:37.58 | uwe | but if it is a ip conflicts, I only can tell it the ISP. |
| 11:38.01 | SynrGy | ompaul: the issue was precipitated by wheezy -> jessie upgrade, btw |
| 11:38.09 | SynrGy | and now i'm out. good luck |
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| 11:38.37 | SynrGy | oh, and from earlier: http://paste.debian.net/138126/ |
| 11:38.37 | _littleb | and I have another question concerning debian, all of my PCs in my networ (ubuntu, windows) can be name resolved by my router "host.fritz.box", but when I try that on my debian machine it doesn't work. can someone tell me if that is on the debian side or on the router's side? |
| 11:38.43 | tpo | broken RAM (Hetzner is sometimes running real trash hardware), broken ethernet card, problems of transmitting the network packages from KVM to the host (interrupt problems?), problems with the switch or cabling |
| 11:38.49 | SynrGy | ompaul: ^^ ssh -vvv to the uncontactable host |
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| 11:38.58 | SynrGy | now i'm truly out. later |
| 11:39.09 | ompaul | SynrGy: cheers |
| 11:39.25 | tpo | :) SynrG |
| 11:39.42 | uwe | thanks SynrGy and bye |
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| 11:40.14 | tpo | uwe, but you can find out whether that's in IP conflict by the various ping methods and observing whether you get a reply (and arp resolution and so forth) |
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| 11:40.44 | ompaul | uwe: the box you are trying to log into is where? |
| 11:40.50 | uwe | now I login (to busybox) and unlock the Luks Root FS .. and it looks like boot up, but i can not ping the server. maybe it hangs on fs eror? |
| 11:41.17 | uwe | ompaul, Hetzner |
| 11:41.36 | tpo | in case of broken RAM that could be triggered by an upgrade, because the newer kernel is behaving differently wrt to memory management |
| 11:41.57 | ompaul | uwe: vps or dedicated |
| 11:42.08 | uwe | ompaul, dedicated |
| 11:42.25 | uwe | tpo, can I test the ram on a running system? |
| 11:42.44 | ompaul | uwe: after it disappears? |
| 11:42.57 | tpo | uwe, then I do not understand, if it is dedicated, and you say it is a KVM then you are able to access the KVM from the host that it's running on |
| 11:43.27 | ompaul | stands back - waiting for that to be explained |
| 11:43.34 | uwe | its a dedicated server with debian I use a KVM-Host only |
| 11:43.45 | uwe | as |
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| 11:45.09 | uwe | the maschine is not reachable at this time. no ping after initram |
| 11:45.16 | uwe | :( |
| 11:45.21 | ompaul | uwe: you have backups? |
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| 11:45.50 | uwe | yes, the importand stuf. |
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| 11:45.53 | uwe | ;) |
| 11:46.00 | ompaul | uwe: you could reinstall? |
| 11:46.07 | ompaul | as you are down and out now |
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| 11:46.14 | gnu_d | hi, how can I start a daemon with exec or something, without moving/symlink it to /etc/init.d ? |
| 11:46.20 | tpo | uwe, I still do not understand. You have a dedicated server. Within that server, you run a KVM. Is that correct? |
| 11:46.37 | uwe | ompaul, I have a image of the wheezy-install before update to jessi |
| 11:47.12 | tpo | gnu_d, google for daemonize |
| 11:47.18 | uwe | tpo, correct. But we talk about the physical host that I can not connect. |
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| 11:47.58 | gnu_d | tpo: but the script is already a daemon |
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| 11:48.04 | uwe | tpo, we can ignore what running on |
| 11:48.25 | tpo | gnu_d, then just start it with nohup |
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| 11:49.22 | ompaul | uwe: if the tools you have from hertzner don't let you get enough access to the box to make it behave you have recent enough backups then perhaps it is a plain reinstall to bring the host to it's senses and you can drop your kvm back onto it |
| 11:50.06 | tpo | uwe, you should be able to mount all filesystems from the rescue system |
| 11:50.11 | uwe | ompaul, I think thats the best way too. before update a wheezy, install a fresh jessi |
| 11:50.20 | tpo | same for md, you should be able to get it running from the rescue system |
| 11:50.36 | ompaul | uwe: the correct install method for jessie is to install wheezy and dist-upgrade |
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| 11:50.42 | uwe | tpo, there I am expert enough to do this. but not expert enough to fix the sshd |
| 11:50.50 | ompaul | uwe: anything else is likely to give you more pain than you want |
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| 11:51.08 | tpo | uwe, first you need to check whether there's not an IP conflict |
| 11:51.12 | uwe | is there not a bootstrap to jessie? |
| 11:51.44 | uwe | tpo, how do i do this exactly? |
| 11:52.02 | ompaul | bring the box up in single user mode and have a poke around from the control console |
| 11:52.13 | tpo | as ompaul said with ping |
| 11:52.23 | ompaul | however you say too many hard resets |
| 11:52.28 | ompaul | why were there hard resets? |
| 11:53.08 | tpo | ompaul, I let you take over, too much crosstalk and I need to do stuff offline - good luck uwe & ompaul |
| 11:53.20 | uwe | ompaul, I cant login with sshd and we try to fix it. So am not able to shutdown save the server. |
| 11:53.39 | tpo | uwe, hetzner lets you do a soft reset |
| 11:53.53 | uwe | does not work |
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| 11:54.08 | Aprendiz1234 | hi all |
| 11:54.13 | tpo | uwe and one other thing - you could try to run dropbear on port 22 since that port is free, because you have sshd running on port 12345 |
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| 11:57.08 | ompaul | uwe: so the thing is if they give you something that does not work tell them about it |
| 11:57.18 | ompaul | they want you to soft reset |
| 11:57.28 | ompaul | I'd guess you have trashed the fs |
| 11:58.01 | ompaul | as I have no access to prove that but the screen you are on gives such an indication |
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| 11:58.12 | uwe | ompaul, I guess too, but I hope no. |
| 11:58.29 | ompaul | the partition table appears to be mangled you have a partial boot and failure |
| 11:58.46 | ompaul | want to run fsck from within the busybox |
| 11:58.51 | ompaul | it is about all you can do |
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| 12:00.02 | ompaul | uwe: I don't tend to point to resources outside of debian but when I do I read them first https://wiki.gogrid.com/index.php/Knowledge_Base:How_To_Use_Grub_to_Run_fsck_Without_a_Root_Password |
| 12:00.04 | uwe | fsck says its clean. ... but another question: is it possible to install jessi with bootstrap? |
| 12:00.19 | ompaul | uwe: not a great idea |
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| 12:00.28 | ompaul | uwe: much harder than a d-u |
| 12:00.39 | ompaul | and a d-u may be all that works - the other thing is this |
| 12:00.55 | ompaul | do they provide a specific hertzner kernel? |
| 12:01.12 | uwe | but i did a a d-u .. and get in this trouble. |
| 12:01.30 | uwe | no, not special kernel. |
| 12:01.55 | ompaul | then I say put back wheezy |
| 12:02.13 | ompaul | and then when your screen comes up to see grub choose |
| 12:02.16 | ompaul | memtest |
| 12:02.52 | ompaul | given the box does not do softresets I'd be inclined not to do anything and chat with them when they come back |
| 12:03.09 | ompaul | but I'd put the box back in place |
| 12:03.37 | uwe | ok, thanks for helping. |
| 12:03.54 | Aprendiz1234 | I am trying to setup samba in a debian server for sharing folders, and autheticate agains an openldap |
| 12:04.11 | ompaul | its not much but it is the benefit of many years |
| 12:04.14 | Aprendiz1234 | the clients can login against openldap, but I can't get working in samba login |
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| 12:04.21 | Aprendiz1234 | anyone can help me? |
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| 12:05.33 | ompaul | Aprendiz1234: are you following this guide? https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup |
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| 12:06.16 | k-man | why am i getting lots of errors like this when i do an apt-get update: W: Failed to fetch http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/source/Sources 403 Forbidden |
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| 12:07.14 | babilen | k-man: You might want to use http.debian.net these days |
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| 12:07.31 | k-man | babilen, ah ok |
| 12:07.33 | ompaul | k-man: not only that but if you look in here you will see that is not a file name http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/source/ |
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| 12:08.11 | Aprendiz1234 | ompaul: login from the clients is working fine, the problem is with samba |
| 12:08.35 | ompaul | Aprendiz1234: it tells you how to set up the samba schema for openldap |
| 12:08.56 | ompaul | not trivial |
| 12:09.00 | ompaul | but achievable |
| 12:09.06 | Aprendiz1234 | ompaul: OK, I try with that. Thanks |
| 12:09.31 | k-man | ompaul, are you saying my sources.list line is incorrect? |
| 12:09.48 | ompaul | k-man: you looked for Sources |
| 12:09.55 | ompaul | the file is Sources.bz2 |
| 12:10.04 | ompaul | and or |
| 12:10.10 | ompaul | Sources.gz |
| 12:10.26 | ompaul | k-man: anyway use http |
| 12:10.32 | k-man | ompaul, that is the output from apt-get update |
| 12:10.42 | k-man | i didn't modify its output when i pasted it. |
| 12:12.36 | ompaul | k-man: I use http which I know uses ie.debian and it works - I don't know where you are calling to but http works and cdn is supposed to be on the way out |
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| 12:13.48 | k-man | ompaul, ok, thanks for that info. i've updated my sources.lst to be http.debian.net but I still get errors |
| 12:14.03 | ompaul | k-man: pastebin your sources please |
| 12:14.32 | ompaul | k-man: you have run apt-get update recently yes? |
| 12:14.38 | ompaul | like in the last few minutes |
| 12:14.41 | k-man | ompaul, yes |
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| 12:14.43 | k-man | yes |
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| 12:14.47 | k-man | will do |
| 12:15.41 | k-man | also dropboxes repo is not working |
| 12:15.41 | maziar | hi every one i have a problem, when i create a file use dd like this :"dd if=/dev/zero of=test.img bs=1024 count=0 seek=$[1024*100] " , and when i use "du -hcs test.img" it show 0 to me but when i use ls -la test.img , it shows me the size of file, what is worng in my commands ? |
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| 12:16.32 | Nach | I setup exim using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and selected internet site. Sending e-mails to random addresses works great. However, any e-mail addresses sent to @ the hostname it tries to deliver within itself, instead of looking up the MX record and sending appropriately. Is there an easy way to fix this to use the MX record? |
| 12:17.45 | k-man | ompaul, http://sprunge.us/KCLQ |
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| 12:19.31 | pie_ | i have an old game that runs in a really small window, is there any way i can magnify it or something? im using openbox |
| 12:19.50 | pie_ | the problem is that the dimensions are hardcoded, so even if i make the window bigger, the game stays the same size |
| 12:21.23 | k-man | whats the game? |
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| 12:27.33 | pie_ | k-man: some really old java game :P |
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| 12:28.18 | Zharf | decompile, fix dimensions :p |
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| 12:29.34 | ompaul | k-man: for fun and no profit you could save a copy of that sources.list as something else (adding in sources for the other lines in case you can get source for something you want some day |
| 12:30.04 | ompaul | k-man: then you could install apt-spy get it to compile a short term list of wherever it suggests |
| 12:30.26 | ompaul | try that if it fails go to some other server heanet.ie is generally reliable and fast |
| 12:30.35 | ompaul | very fast once you connect |
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| 12:31.29 | pie_ | Zharf: damnit xD |
| 12:31.38 | pie_ | Zharf: i already decompiled it to fix a graphics issue :P |
| 12:31.53 | pie_ | the problem is nothing is vector graphics and i dont really know anything about java |
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| 12:32.34 | pie_ | if there was some easy way to zoom the whole graphics view :P |
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| 12:55.30 | uwe | SynrG, just for information: I run a memtest and the memory was really really broken. |
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| 12:55.49 | SynrGy | uwe: oh dear |
| 12:56.08 | SynrGy | so, not at all the upgrade that broke it ... just a lot going on during the upgrade, so exposed more problems |
| 12:56.13 | uwe | looks very funny in the memtest |
| 12:56.43 | uwe | Pass: 52%, Errors>15000 |
| 12:56.45 | SynrGy | with luck, after fixing that, an install / restore / upgrade will go better |
| 12:56.47 | SynrGy | ouch. |
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| 12:58.10 | uwe | Hetzner god a ticket to replace them. hope they are fast (last time they need <5mins. to replace a broken disk) |
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| 13:02.10 | Mac_Weber | hello |
| 13:02.25 | Mac_Weber | how to reply to a bug report without using my e-mail? |
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| 13:05.08 | jelly-home | Not easily. You have to use _someone's_ email. |
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| 13:08.40 | _littleb | I have a question, transmission-daemon should be at version at 2.84-0.2 but when I do 'apt-cache show transmission-daemon' I get this: http://paste.debian.net/138140/ is there a way to update that? |
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| 13:11.14 | jerrcs | _littleb: where did you see 2.84-0.2? |
| 13:12.09 | _littleb | jerrcs: that is the current stable version of transmission |
| 13:12.30 | jerrcs | and which version of Debian are you on? |
| 13:12.42 | _littleb | jerrcs: the user "mikedld" @ the #tramission channel told me that |
| 13:13.28 | jerrcs | _littleb: check https://packages.debian.org/stable/transmission-daemon |
| 13:13.42 | jerrcs | that is the latest version of tranmission-daemon on Debian. |
| 13:14.21 | jerrcs | They don't always push the newest versions out of software, typically there's a delay, just in case someone doesn't want the new features, but simply wants their stuff to remain working |
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| 13:14.44 | _littleb | jerrcs: I tried the version from the debian repositories which is at version"2.52-3". the problem is that my torrents don't start. according to #transmission : there was a defect that was fixes in latest package version (2.84-0.2): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734467 |
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| 13:14.51 | jerrcs | If you use Debian sid, which is "unstable" or "bleeding edge", you get 2.84-0.2 - https://packages.debian.org/sid/transmission-daemon |
| 13:15.08 | _littleb | jerrcs: I'am using wheezy |
| 13:15.11 | Mac_Weber | jelly-home: this bug reporting system seems to be so retarded. It is 21st century and we can not report by web?? |
| 13:15.16 | jerrcs | _littleb: in that case it might be worth it to look at third party repositories, or perhaps compiling from source |
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| 13:15.33 | jerrcs | _littleb: or, if Transmission actually offers you .deb files, that's excellent too. |
| 13:16.27 | _littleb | jerrcs: :D #transmission told me that there must be a newer deb package somewhere. So my main problem is that I'm sitting between to chairs here |
| 13:17.33 | jerrcs | _littleb: lemme do a bit of looking online. |
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| 13:19.02 | jerrcs | hmm, unless you can find a repo, I'm seeing that most people are installing from source. |
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| 13:19.55 | _littleb | jerrcs: I just got another tip maybe that could also help: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 13:20.02 | _littleb | jerrcs: please let me know if that is worth trying rather than shooting myself in the foot |
| 13:20.24 | _littleb | jerrcs: might be a thought of making a newer package |
| 13:21.29 | jerrcs | I don't think that guide will help you any, as there is no newer version of the package in the repository anyway. |
| 13:22.07 | jerrcs | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144796/build-transmission-2-84-deb-package-with-checkinstall |
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| 13:22.17 | jerrcs | This guy built a 2.84 package for his raspberry pi. |
| 13:22.28 | jerrcs | looks rather simple |
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| 13:24.00 | _littleb | jerrcs: yeah i did that with some certain success where I have the configuration file somewhere and I cannot control the service transmission-daemon. i.e. I need to start it manually and not automatically like a real debian service should be |
| 13:24.23 | jerrcs | ah. |
| 13:24.47 | jerrcs | i'm terribly sorry :( i haven't used debian in forever, and i don't really use transmission |
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| 13:25.40 | _littleb | jerrcs: well, do you know at least of starting it automatically as a service |
| 13:25.47 | jerrcs | I remember building RPMs on CentOS/RHEL. worked great and never had issues with services or anything. i haven't built any .debs |
| 13:26.08 | jerrcs | well, I do, yes. that's just up to the runlevels/init.d scripts |
| 13:26.24 | _littleb | jerrcs: how? |
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| 13:27.06 | jerrcs | I believe it's update-rc.d transmission-daemon defaults |
| 13:27.10 | jerrcs | could be wrong |
| 13:27.48 | _littleb | jerrcs: ok, I will try that one sec |
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| 13:30.45 | _littleb | jerrcs: since you have experience at centos can you give me the link of their wiki? I will try it out there |
| 13:31.10 | jerrcs | http://wiki.centos.org/ I think is what you're looking for? |
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| 13:35.15 | xinming | jelly-home: Thanks for your clear answer, which clarifies my confusion. |
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| 13:38.29 | _littleb | jerrcs: does centos have also cd isos? dvd isos take too long |
| 13:38.54 | jerrcs | _littleb: sure! they have CD ISOs, and minimal that let you install over the network. |
| 13:39.30 | _littleb | jerrcs: can you give me the link please I only found the dvds |
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| 13:40.38 | _littleb | jerrcs: ah found it |
| 13:41.32 | jerrcs | keep in mind centos is also very conservative with their versioning |
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| 13:42.22 | _littleb | really? |
| 13:42.31 | jerrcs | yeah |
| 13:42.49 | jerrcs | Fedora has a bit more of their bleeding edge work. also has a GUI if you want one. |
| 13:42.56 | _littleb | jerrcs: can you tell me what version of transmission they are using/ have in their repo? |
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| 13:43.16 | jerrcs | i have no idea. you'd have to look at their website for package versions |
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| 13:43.44 | mohamedAziz17 | hello. i recently upgraded from wheezy to jessie and now i have a lot of problems , yesterday i upgraded my system, but now when i try to install any package this is the output http://pastebin.com/XnKwqcuG i also tried apt-get -f install bit there is a lot of errors i tried also apt-get clean and then update and then upgrade but the same, HELP please ! |
| 13:44.31 | jerrcs | mohamedAziz17: what method did you use to upgrade? |
| 13:44.35 | ompaul | mohamedAziz17: apt-get update ... does that work? |
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| 13:45.10 | thorie | sometimes "aptitude install amarok" will give you some options |
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| 13:45.46 | ompaul | mohamedAziz17: in http://paste.debian.net out youyr sources.list please |
| 13:45.47 | mohamedAziz17 | jerrcs apt-get upgrade i already did dist-upgrade |
| 13:46.03 | jelly-home | !tell MohammedAziz17 about bat |
| 13:46.23 | mohamedAziz17 | ompaul yes apt-get update works fine |
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| 13:47.13 | ompaul | mohamedAziz17: please do ALL the bot said in its message |
| 13:47.37 | mohamedAziz17 | ompaul http://paste.debian.net/138143/ maybe because i have lmde repo ? |
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| 13:50.32 | mohamedAziz17 | thorie thanks i think it gona work it asked me to remove some packages .. hum a lot of packages about 139 |
| 13:51.08 | mtn | !lmde |
| 13:51.08 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 13:52.45 | CME | mohamedAziz17, looks like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771428 |
| 13:53.10 | CME | mohamedAziz17, try "dpkg --configure libdbus-1-3:amd64" |
| 13:53.43 | SynrGy | looks like not supported here. and if you want to help, take it to #linuxmint-help |
| 13:53.45 | mohamedAziz17 | yes i added the LMDE (the debian based one not ubuntu based) repository |
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| 13:54.12 | mtn | mohamedAziz17: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 13:55.59 | mtn | mohamedAziz17: if you want to use testng, follow this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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| 13:56.46 | SynrGy | mohamedAziz17: what did you want LMDE for anyway? if it's for the cinnamon desktop, jessie has it. |
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| 13:57.47 | SynrGy | mohamedAziz17: start fresh, though. once you've broken debian by mixing in other distro sources, there's no supported way to undo it |
| 13:58.09 | mohamedAziz17 | no in fact i had Debian wheezy then i upgraded to jessie but i added lmde to install software with their real names i don't know why Debian changed the icons and the names of firefox and thunderbird to iceweasl and icedove, i really love Debian it's really stable, even testing is stable more than 90% distros out there . |
| 13:58.11 | SynrGy | do a clean install of wheezy, then upgrade to jessie |
| 13:58.32 | SynrGy | uh? |
| 13:58.47 | greycat | You can run 'real' Firefox on Debian. Just install it from the mozilla.com web site. |
| 13:59.03 | SynrGy | ! |
| 13:59.49 | SynrGy | !tell mohamedAziz17 about why iceweasel |
| 13:59.55 | SynrGy | !tell mohamedAziz17 about iceweasel vs firefox |
| 14:00.25 | _littleb | is there a way to start a service with a flag? |
| 14:00.46 | greycat | Usually you do it by editing a file in /etc/default/ but it depends on the package. |
| 14:00.53 | ompaul | mohamedAziz17: you have things that are not debian in there - ubuntu lmde and all sorts |
| 14:00.59 | greycat | Read the daemon's start script in /etc/init.d/ for details. |
| 14:01.01 | _littleb | I tried to start the service transmission-daemon with a '-f' |
| 14:01.05 | SynrGy | _littleb: can we have some details? wheezy? jessie? which service? |
| 14:01.07 | SynrGy | k |
| 14:01.28 | ompaul | mohamedAziz17: back up your data - and install fresh debian and don't be adding rubbish ask here for what you want but install stable |
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| 14:01.36 | ompaul | make sure it is stable you install |
| 14:01.38 | _littleb | SynrGy: sry, os is debian wheezy and the service is transmission-daemon |
| 14:02.34 | ompaul | mohamedAziz17: all other paths lead to insanity there is no rescue position you are outside defaults so much it is insane |
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| 14:04.46 | SynrGy | _littleb: ok. what problem with it are you trying to solve? |
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| 14:05.46 | mohamedAziz17 | ok thanks guys and sorry for the noob questions i just want to learn . |
| 14:05.49 | SynrGy | running it in foreground doesn't sound like something you want to do in the init script |
| 14:05.54 | _littleb | SynGy: well I would want to see a more verbose output of transmission-daemon. in it's manpage there is a "-f" flag when I enter into my terminal: transmission-daemon -f |
| 14:06.10 | SynrGy | that's not what that's for |
| 14:06.26 | _littleb | SynrGy: I get a more verbose output but not when I use "service" I cant |
| 14:06.35 | SynrGy | "Run in the foreground and print errors to stderr." |
| 14:06.38 | greycat | http://linux.die.net/man/1/transmission-daemon # yeah, SynrGy is right. |
| 14:06.43 | SynrGy | daemons must be run in background |
| 14:06.58 | SynrGy | it influences where the error messages go. that's all |
| 14:07.03 | greycat | Only use the -f switch if you're running it under a service manager like runit or daemontools. |
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| 14:07.35 | greycat | It looks like you want --log-debug instead. |
| 14:08.34 | SynrGy | i am still curious why you want the more verbose output. what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 14:09.01 | _littleb | well the problem is that when I installed transmissio-daemon, it created a user called "debian-transmission:x:104:107::/home/debian-transmission:/bin/false" but that user doesn't have a home directory |
| 14:09.06 | SynrGy | debug level logging is probably only useful for a focused troubleshooting exercise, not as a general thing to be left turned on always |
| 14:09.32 | greycat | It's OK for a user that's just used to launch a daemon not to have a home dir. |
| 14:09.54 | SynrGy | ah. |
| 14:10.00 | SynrGy | you don't need that directory |
| 14:10.13 | SynrGy | note the /bin/false |
| 14:10.24 | SynrGy | so what's the *real* problem? |
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| 14:11.05 | SynrGy | _littleb: let me guess. are you on systemd? and the daemon doesn't start? |
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| 14:11.43 | SynrGy | or if that isn't it, please explain the actual end-user problem, not what you think is wrong. the symptoms |
| 14:11.50 | _littleb | SynrGy: the problem is that my torrents get uploaded to transmission-daemon but they simply dont start |
| 14:12.22 | SynrGy | which version of transmission-daemon? |
| 14:12.25 | SynrGy | ,v transmission-daemon |
| 14:12.26 | judd | Package: transmission-daemon on i386 -- squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy: 2.52-3+nmu2; wheezy-security: 2.52-3+nmu2; sid: 2.84-0.2; jessie: 2.84-0.2 |
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| 14:13.05 | _littleb | I used vbox and compiled transmission from source and the torrents work, but the problem is that the transmission-daemon only starts when user executes it. doesn't actually start as a service |
| 14:13.48 | SynrGy | why did you compile tranmission from source? |
| 14:13.50 | _littleb | SynrGy: 1 sec wheezy: 2.52-3+nmu2 |
| 14:13.52 | SynrGy | transmission* |
| 14:14.21 | SynrGy | do you use systemd? |
| 14:14.36 | _littleb | SynrGy: not that I'am aware of |
| 14:14.52 | _littleb | SynrGy: no |
| 14:14.54 | greycat | wonders what vbox has to do with any of this |
| 14:14.56 | SynrGy | k. there is a bug fixed in jessie that prevents it from starting under systemd |
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| 14:16.54 | SynrGy | _littleb: if you've looked at /etc/default/transmission-daemon, you should see there's an OPTIONS variable. that starts it with the specified config dir, which is under /var instead of /home |
| 14:17.14 | _littleb | @greycat I installed transmission-daemon from the debian repo. torrent files dont start downloading. so I wondered where the problem could be. In the end I tried to compile it from source in vbox not to make my fingers dirty |
| 14:18.27 | SynrGy | so, i think the compiled version is a bit of a diversion we don't need to follow now ... |
| 14:18.36 | SynrGy | you have just the debian package now? |
| 14:18.54 | _littleb | SynrGy: that is true :) |
| 14:19.10 | _littleb | SynrGy: yes, i have only the debian package now |
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| 14:20.59 | _littleb | SynrGy: OK that was the invisible handbrake that was causing these problems |
| 14:21.01 | _littleb | thx |
| 14:21.28 | SynrGy | np |
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| 14:22.07 | SynrGy | and that same issue was causing the bug with systemd (just in case you're curious about my interest in it :) |
| 14:22.22 | SynrGy | that was #734467 |
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| 14:24.47 | greycat | This all sounds *so* much more complex than simply launching rtorrent in a screen session, which is what I do. |
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| 14:26.47 | liqu|d | Good morning, i installed debian last night with my ethernet cable now how do i get my firmware for the rt2780 wireless card :) |
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| 14:28.21 | zerophan | http://pastebin.com/6Bbqb2SQ |
| 14:28.26 | zerophan | anyone help ? |
| 14:28.48 | liqu|d | dont know if people are alive still kinda early lol |
| 14:28.51 | liqu|d | and its boxing day |
| 14:28.51 | hariom | I have created an upstart script but later removed it via "sudo update-rc.d gunicorn remove". But even after removing, when I press tab at: sudo /etc/init.d/g<tab press> I see gunicorn as possible options |
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| 14:29.11 | greycat | Due to the magic of time zones, it's not early for everyone. |
| 14:29.17 | mtn | liqu|d: did you check out the debian wiki? |
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| 14:30.24 | greycat | hariom: update-rc.d just manages the symlinks in /etc/rc[0-9].d/ and doesn't remove the script itself in /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:30.31 | liqu|d | not yet mtn i wouldnt know where to look |
| 14:30.42 | mtn | liqu|d: google: debian wiki wifi |
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| 14:31.41 | hariom | greycat: hmm.. you are right. I see the file still there. Deleted it and now that option doesn't appear |
| 14:31.52 | liqu|d | is there a way to make it look like windows too? its kinda hard to get use to |
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| 14:32.29 | mtn | liqu|d: there are lots of desktops available. xfce, kde, etc. etc. |
| 14:32.31 | greycat | liqu|d: sounds like you've tried GNOME. I'm sorry. Best answer: stop trying GNOME. |
| 14:32.57 | mtn | liqu|d: I disagree. stick with gnome, it is the best. arguement to follow ;) |
| 14:33.07 | collizion | puts on his helmet. |
| 14:33.36 | liqu|d | ya its gnome |
| 14:33.43 | liqu|d | i think the one i want is KDE right? |
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| 14:33.56 | greycat | KDE is much more traditional-looking |
| 14:34.05 | liqu|d | then ya thats the sucka i want lol |
| 14:34.09 | liqu|d | but hang on gonna do wireless fire |
| 14:34.11 | liqu|d | first& |
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| 14:36.48 | liqu|d | so the wiki didnt help lol |
| 14:37.21 | greycat | I don't remember the bot triggers to find out whether a given piece of hardware is supported in wheezy, etc. |
| 14:37.39 | mtn | liqu|d: saying it didn't help, doesn't help ;) |
| 14:37.56 | liqu|d | just didnt work mtn still dont see my wifi card |
| 14:38.03 | liqu|d | remember i have the n13 usb adapter lol |
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| 14:38.23 | mtn | liqu|d: my point is that we have no idea what you did or what you are seeing now. |
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| 14:38.57 | liqu|d | i did aptitude install firmware-ralink wireless-tools |
| 14:39.19 | liqu|d | after adding stuff to the source list |
| 14:39.21 | Bluewolf | Hi all, anyone know if there are Linux drivers to this printer/sublimation machine? - http://www.jgelectronics.com/sublimation-printers#ricoh-sg3110 |
| 14:39.55 | mtn | liqu|d: did you reboot? |
| 14:40.20 | liqu|d | ummmm |
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| 14:40.21 | liqu|d | brb |
| 14:40.22 | liqu|d | :P |
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| 14:43.49 | liquid | Thanks mtn :D you da man :) |
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| 14:44.19 | liqu|d | so how do i get kde now lol |
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| 14:46.00 | liqu|d | kinda wish i had amd64 bit but now that i know how to get this working ill reburn the disc :) |
| 14:46.37 | mtn | liqu|d: are you going to reinstall? |
| 14:46.45 | greycat | If you're going to reinstall, you should do that before downloading something gargantuan like KDE |
| 14:46.47 | mtn | liqu|d: you don't need to |
| 14:47.13 | liqu|d | i can just update to amd64? i used the i386 by mistake |
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| 14:47.25 | mtn | liqu|d: no, that will take a reinstall |
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| 14:47.54 | liqu|d | so ya i need to reinstall first :) |
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| 14:48.32 | mtn | liqu|d: to get kde during install, use advanced or expert, I guess, option at the beginning. you can choose kde as your desktop |
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| 14:49.16 | liqu|d | i appreciate the help getting my wifi to work :) just need to remember the last step... reboot :P |
| 14:50.04 | liqu|d | okay |
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| 14:51.06 | liqu|d | my wireless is flakey wtf |
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| 14:55.58 | Bluewolf | Is it possible to install printer drivers in Wine (Drivers which have no linux ones) and run the printer in Debian through wine? |
| 14:56.13 | zerophan | how i uninstall java ?? |
| 14:56.27 | mtn | Bluewolf: nope |
| 14:56.31 | greycat | depends on how you installed java |
| 14:56.34 | zerophan | 8 |
| 14:56.48 | mtn | Bluewolf: wine does not have direct access to the hardware. |
| 14:56.58 | greycat | if you downloaded it manually from Sun^H^H^H Oracle's web page, then you just manually rm -rf the directories it created |
| 14:57.33 | Bluewolf | mtn: What a shame and damn! :D |
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| 14:57.46 | mtn | Bluewolf: are you sure there are no linux drivers? |
| 14:57.50 | zerophan | greycat |
| 14:57.51 | zerophan | java version "1.8.0_25" |
| 14:57.51 | zerophan | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_25-b17) |
| 14:57.51 | zerophan | Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.25-b02, mixed mode) |
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| 14:58.21 | greycat | Doesn't matter what -version says. What matters is how you did it. |
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| 14:59.52 | Bluewolf | mtn: Ah I cannot find anything, The Printer is a Gel Jet (For Sublimation (Printing onto shirts)) Aficio SG 3110DN and the make is RICOH |
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| 15:03.07 | mtn | Bluewolf: see if this is helpfull: http://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-Ricoh/ |
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| 15:07.03 | johndoe | i have a file with mode 100644 |
| 15:07.08 | johndoe | what does the first 1 say? |
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| 15:07.24 | jelly-home | Aficio series might also have PCL |
| 15:07.56 | Bluewolf | mtn: Hmmm, sadly there is no Aficio SG 3110DN, unless one of the others would work, if so which? |
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| 15:08.29 | greycat | johndoe: what library call did you use to get this value? |
| 15:08.50 | mtn | Bluewolf: is there one very close? you could try the closest one you can find. |
| 15:09.47 | johndoe | greycat: im manually extracting .deb files as an exercise i got. theres a field which says the mode of the original file is 100644. im trying to use this with fchmod function. |
| 15:10.17 | johndoe | greycat: i mean, the fchmod function eats it happily, but i dont see anything different |
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| 15:10.47 | greycat | johndoe: well, the documentation for the mode bits is "man 2 stat" |
| 15:10.58 | Bluewolf | mtn: Well there is Ricoh Aficio MP 1100 but that's about it, what do you think? |
| 15:11.24 | mtn | Bluewolf: don't really know. it won't hurt to try it. |
| 15:12.11 | Bluewolf | mtn: Or plug it in and see what Debian does :D |
| 15:12.14 | Bluewolf | Long shot |
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| 15:13.17 | mtn | Bluewolf: you haven't even plugged it in or tried using cups? |
| 15:14.44 | Bluewolf | mtn: Ah not because I assumed I would look for the drivers before doing so, cups? |
| 15:14.48 | Bluewolf | And it also tells me not to plug in the printer without having installed the software, not that it should matter in Linux. |
| 15:15.16 | mtn | Bluewolf: always try the builtin linux tools first! |
| 15:16.13 | Bluewolf | mtn: Okay I'll plug it now and see what happens |
| 15:16.36 | mtn | Bluewolf: windows instructions are not relevant to linux, for obvious reasons |
| 15:16.49 | Bluewolf | :D |
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| 15:18.11 | johndoe | greycat: so that 100xyz just means it's a regular file xD |
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| 15:18.26 | greycat | that's what it sounds like |
| 15:18.38 | johndoe | ok, i learned something new |
| 15:18.43 | greycat | I don't really understand what those flags would do trying to change the mode |
| 15:18.50 | greycat | (maybe they're just ignored?) |
| 15:18.54 | johndoe | probably |
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| 15:19.23 | johndoe | thanks man |
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| 15:29.20 | Bluewolf | mtn: I'm still trying to figure out this thing :D |
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| 15:30.37 | mad_ | Is debian-testing currently what will become sid? |
| 15:30.48 | SynrGy | mad_: you have it backwards |
| 15:30.50 | greycat | Sid is perpetual unstable. Nothing "becomes sid". |
| 15:31.06 | greycat | Testing (jessie) is what will become Debian version 8, probably some time next year. |
| 15:31.09 | mad_ | Ah, sorry. Got it mixed up. |
| 15:31.20 | SynrGy | and sid never "becomes" anything, as greycat said. |
| 15:31.39 | SynrGy | migrations happen automatically when we're not in a freeze from sid -> testing |
| 15:32.25 | SynrGy | and in a freeze, there are strict rules for migrations. one needs to be requested by the maintainer with a Really Good Reason. and RT (Release Team) has to agree it's a good one and manually allow it |
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| 15:33.05 | SynrGy | !tell mad_ about testing |
| 15:33.13 | SynrGy | !tell mad_ about unstable |
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| 15:41.09 | butters | libavcodec53 and libavcodec54 and libavcodec55, and libavcodec56.......... and if I try to remove one of them, an application must be deleted that I want installed |
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| 15:53.30 | boodie | Hi: seasonal greetings |
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| 16:00.30 | ilhami | ok |
| 16:00.32 | ilhami | hey |
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| 16:01.14 | ilhami | I know this may be a bit off-topic for this channel but I installed phpunit and phing with composer. They are in my vendor folder but I cannot use them. When I type phpunit it says command not found. |
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| 16:01.55 | greycat | Add the directory where the command lives to your PATH variable. |
| 16:02.11 | greycat | Or, if you prefer, make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/phpunit to it. |
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| 16:06.54 | ilhami | greycat: which one is the best solution? |
| 16:06.56 | ilhami | of those two |
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| 16:08.11 | greycat | Adding to PATH doesn't require root, but it only affects one user account (you). Making a symlink requires root, but works for every user account. |
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| 16:09.02 | pfred1 | yeah your $PATH is your own environment |
| 16:09.04 | greycat | Some people might also dislike the additional "clutter" of symlinks in /usr/local/bin. It's a matter of taste. |
| 16:09.31 | ilhami | greycat: added to PATH |
| 16:09.36 | ilhami | and it works |
| 16:09.44 | ilhami | thank you! |
| 16:09.51 | pfred1 | there is almost nothing in /usr/local/bin |
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| 16:10.28 | greycat | on *your* system, maybe... |
| 16:11.10 | ilhami | I added +x to phpunit and phing before I added to path because I thought that was one of the problems. That will not affect anything right? |
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| 16:11.52 | pfred1 | 33 files one is even a backup that I should delete |
| 16:12.10 | greycat | If it's a command it should have +x permissions. |
| 16:12.18 | ilhami | oh ok :D |
| 16:13.03 | ilhami | yeah works now. |
| 16:13.10 | ilhami | cool! |
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| 16:13.52 | wytrzeszcz | anybody using termial irc chat? |
| 16:14.07 | iveevue | wytrzeszcz, why? |
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| 16:14.41 | greycat | not sure what you mean by "termial"... any tty-based IRC client? yeah, many people use a tty-based client. |
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| 16:14.55 | jaggzt | on youtube with iceweasel, when I click to go to a new video it shows the last video in the flash player |
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| 16:15.09 | jaggzt | I have to reload.. anyone else have this problem? default flash is installed.. whatever that is |
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| 16:15.30 | wytrzeszcz | greycat any name ? |
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| 16:15.53 | greycat | Personally? I'm using irssi inside screen. |
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| 16:16.08 | pfred1 | jaggzt I do not have that problem here I also do not have iceweasel installed either |
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| 16:16.33 | pfred1 | greycat oh yeah? what font are you using? |
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| 16:16.45 | greycat | Is that a trick question? |
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| 16:17.05 | greycat | rxvt*font: fixed |
| 16:17.14 | greycat | There you go. "fixed". |
| 16:17.22 | pfred1 | greycat egads man how do you keep your eyes from bleeding? |
| 16:17.33 | pfred1 | fixed is horrid |
| 16:17.34 | iateadonut | i'd like to make a DVD from a movie file. I last did this so many years ago, I'm wondering what's the best program (preferably GUI) to do this with now? |
| 16:17.37 | jaggzt | there's that linux os that manages each package in its own directory and uses symlinks everywhere to maintain compatibility |
| 16:17.38 | greycat | By being a normal person instead of a l33t teenager. |
| 16:17.57 | jaggzt | gobolinux .. heh |
| 16:18.31 | pfred1 | plus I do not think fixed can display utf-8 characters can it? |
| 16:18.38 | petn-randall | pfred1: How is a fixed-width font horrible? What kind of fonts do you use for programming then? |
| 16:18.41 | petn-randall | shudders. |
| 16:18.53 | greycat | I'm not IRCing from Debian. I'm on a museum-era HP-UX workstation. It has no real UTF-8 support. |
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| 16:19.01 | pfred1 | petn-randall I don't orogram but if i did I installed some good fonts for it |
| 16:19.04 | jaggzt | I use this as my console font: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/097/d/c/elegant_font_design_by_raijan-d3dfqhc.jpg |
| 16:19.07 | iateadonut | also, i don't see anything in apt-cache for dvd - i guess i need to add a repository? |
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| 16:19.25 | petn-randall | pfred1: "good" and "fixed-width" are not antonyms. |
| 16:19.45 | pfred1 | petn-randall fixed is a particular font |
| 16:19.53 | belowzero | anyone having thoughts of what would be the best open source way of streaming video and music to devices in house while all files are stored on nas? |
| 16:20.08 | greycat | The fixed font (at least HP-UX's version) has very clear visual differentiation between ( and {, etc. |
| 16:20.17 | jaggzt | belowzero, vlc? |
| 16:20.19 | pfred1 | petn-randall xfd -fn fixed |
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| 16:20.32 | greycat | All of these are also easily differentiated: l 1 | I |
| 16:20.46 | turnedtodust | What in the fuck. |
| 16:20.50 | jaggzt | heh.. I I I I |
| 16:20.51 | pfred1 | fixed is an alias |
| 16:21.08 | jaggzt | I hate when ( looks like a pipe |
| 16:21.21 | turnedtodust | I'm going to go hit that #| |
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| 16:21.26 | greycat | Also it allows me to not have to fucking CARE what font I'm using. Run a terminal. Can I read things? Yes? Done. |
| 16:21.29 | jaggzt | one of my ipad clients does that when the font is semi small.. |
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| 16:21.47 | An_Ony_Moose | belowzero: I messed around with minidlna for serving and xbmc for playing |
| 16:21.53 | An_Ony_Moose | belowzero: worked quite nicely |
| 16:22.09 | pfred1 | greycat so you can read this? ±qæiSh§o裡 |
| 16:22.10 | belowzero | jaggzt: hmm, vlc is probably a lot more powerful than I think. Ill give it a try, but thinking it would be nice to install a webUI with html5 video/sound player |
| 16:22.13 | greycat | pfred1: no |
| 16:22.19 | pfred1 | yeah I didn't think so |
| 16:22.29 | greycat | I meant read things that are written in normal grown-up character sets. |
| 16:22.33 | belowzero | An_Ony_Moose: thanks, Ill look that up :) |
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| 16:22.41 | jaggzt | belowzero, then probably go with something else |
| 16:23.02 | jaggzt | vlc's probably not the most user friendly |
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| 16:23.20 | pfred1 | greycat as far as fonts go fixed is actually pretty immature |
| 16:23.28 | petn-randall | belowzero: You can use owncloud for streaming over the internet, but DLNA is probably easier for the local network, as most smart TVs support it. |
| 16:23.29 | jaggzt | as a media server interface.. but I haven't looked into using it that way |
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| 16:23.45 | jaggzt | heck, I only once got its LAN streaming working and haven't been able to recently |
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| 16:27.41 | boodie | Hi : I have run "Tiger *nix security" ... can anyone give a look to the output and tell me if there are things to worry about? |
| 16:27.42 | pfred1 | BitchX taught me to care about what font I used in my IRC client |
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| 16:28.41 | pfred1 | right now i rather favor -gnu-unifont-medium-r-normal--16-160-75-75-c-80-iso10646-1 |
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| 16:39.22 | brokencycle | hi! |
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| 16:39.50 | brokencycle | i have a problem with roxterm and coloring in git: i see the raw escape sequences, when i want to see the colors |
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| 16:40.55 | brokencycle | zsh gives proper colors, but git doesn't |
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| 16:44.18 | ilhami | !teamviewer |
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| 16:44.39 | jaggzt | why are gimp's menus doing this? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/26/plasma-desktopxZ9517.png |
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| 16:48.18 | jaggzt | okay.. I had to install nvidia's own .run file to get support for my nvidia 970.. but what do I do now that the apt system keeps telling me this? The following packages will be REMOVED: nvidia-installer-cleanup{u} |
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| 16:50.33 | babilen | jaggzt: What's the pciid of that device? And you can happily remove that package .. Please note that you will have to take care of module compilation on kernel ABI upgrades yourself |
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| 16:51.27 | jaggzt | hopefully support will be in the official non-free nvidia drivers (or nouveau if that works for support, including CUDA) |
| 16:51.30 | jaggzt | in the future |
| 16:51.36 | jaggzt | pciid? hmm |
| 16:52.07 | babilen | "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" should have it (alphanumerical identifier at the end, looks like [abcd:1234]) |
| 16:53.00 | jaggzt | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:13c2] (rev a1) |
| 16:53.09 | jaggzt | yeah.. did a search for "how get pciid" thanks :) |
| 16:53.14 | CarlGel | Hi, I'm trying to write a script. When I run this in terminal, it does output what I would like. echo $[ 1 + $[ RANDOM % 7]] > /home/rika-chan/ss/1 |
| 16:53.24 | CarlGel | But in a script, it just outputs the literal string |
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| 16:53.39 | CarlGel | I'm not very experienced in bash, unfortunately. |
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| 16:53.41 | jaggzt | CarGel, #bash |
| 16:53.47 | CarlGel | got it. :v |
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| 16:54.01 | jaggzt | :) |
| 16:54.03 | greycat | CarlGel: make sure your script has #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh and also STOP USING $[...] for arithmetic. It was obsolete 15 years ago. |
| 16:54.20 | jaggzt | heh |
| 16:54.41 | greycat | echo $((1 + RANDOM % 7)) |
| 16:54.41 | CarlGel | yep, I do have the right hashbang. |
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| 16:55.26 | johndoe | unfortunately there's a lot of examples using $[...], and this confuses you |
| 16:55.35 | CarlGel | yeah |
| 16:55.49 | greycat | There are a lot of bad example, period. :( |
| 16:55.58 | jaggzt | I don't know if I ever knew about $RANDOM.. man.. |
| 16:56.07 | greycat | RANDOM is a bash special variable |
| 16:56.19 | johndoe | heck, im using $[]. now i learned i should be using $(()) instead |
| 16:56.26 | greycat | $((...)) is POSIX-compliant, though, so that works in every reasonable shell |
| 16:56.31 | jaggzt | no version for URANDOM |
| 16:56.53 | greycat | Bash's $RANDOM is just a call to libc's rand(), not Linux's /dev/random |
| 16:56.55 | babilen | jaggzt: Yeah, that card is not even supported by the driver version that is currently in testing or unstable. You need a newer one such as 346.22 (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/346.22/README/README.txt ) |
| 16:57.15 | jaggzt | yeah I installed by running the nvidia .run |
| 16:57.25 | jaggzt | then had to do the same for the cuda toolkit.. |
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| 16:57.32 | greycat | Anyway, $((1 + RANDOM % 7)) should work fine in a script as long as your script is being run by bash, not by sh. |
| 16:57.40 | jaggzt | it was not an easy process to get it all working due to some complications here and there |
| 16:57.54 | babilen | jaggzt: Fair enough, just wanted to make sure (as using the DKMS packages is *much* nicer as they make sure that the module is automatically compiled for all installed kernels) |
| 16:58.11 | CarlGel | ah, understood |
| 16:58.17 | jaggzt | does % have higher precedence than +? |
| 16:58.23 | greycat | yes |
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| 16:58.34 | babilen | still suggests #bash |
| 16:58.43 | jaggzt | babilen, nod.. thank you :) |
| 16:58.49 | babilen | (or rather: seconds) :) |
| 16:59.57 | belowzero | petn-randall: thanks for tip |
| 16:59.59 | jaggzt | how do I get pulseaudio to work again? I killed it to make a change to /tmp |
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| 17:00.22 | jaggzt | (turns out I didn't need to.. just remount,size=...) but.. I did.. and now I can't control my volume |
| 17:01.08 | babilen | "pulseaudio -D" might just be what is needed |
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| 17:02.36 | jaggzt | I did that.. and see it in ps.. but it doesn't .. work. |
| 17:03.05 | jaggzt | restarted kmix.. works now :) |
| 17:03.06 | jaggzt | thanks babilen |
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| 17:32.11 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 17:32.15 | someHuman | Any of you use Space Engine in Debian? |
| 17:32.44 | jaggzt | I wonder why my ctrl-shift-insert stopped pasting the selection |
| 17:32.58 | jaggzt | I keep having to reach for the mouse to click its middle button now.. |
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| 17:33.19 | jaggzt | it's mapped in kde's shortcuts |
| 17:34.00 | jaggzt | in standard keyboard shortcuts -> paste selection [ctrl+shift+ins] |
| 17:34.06 | jaggzt | Bill_Gates, nice to meet you |
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| 17:34.16 | jaggzt | maybe |
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| 17:34.29 | Isai | lol |
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| 17:46.20 | applebloom | okay see my tint2 pic? The wifi icon is blackened out and not showing information regarding the "bars" and the battery icon is not showing "fill"... Why is that? |
| 17:46.33 | applebloom | http://imgur.com/B7LRm7S |
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| 17:47.47 | ilhami | was it like this by default applebloom ? |
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| 17:48.15 | _2_chop1234 | hi |
| 17:48.18 | applebloom | ilhami, naw.. I was recently messing around with stuff |
| 17:48.21 | applebloom | and it broke i think |
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| 17:48.45 | ilhami | hehe well there is your problem :D |
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| 17:48.53 | applebloom | i had to mess around with stuff because a few of my apps were crashing, i think it was due to the theme. So I installed something a forum said to, and after that all hell broke loose |
| 17:49.01 | _2_chop1234 | ok |
| 17:49.02 | applebloom | i have no idea how to fix it, some help (if possible) would be appreciated |
| 17:49.04 | _2_chop1234 | :D |
| 17:49.14 | applebloom | I figure it's a simple issue that you guys probably already know how to fix |
| 17:49.27 | _2_chop1234 | hold on ok |
| 17:49.35 | applebloom | ok |
| 17:50.09 | ilhami | applebloom: don't count on me. :-) |
| 17:50.24 | applebloom | i gotta count on someone, otherwise i'm screwed |
| 17:50.37 | ilhami | can you tell what exactly you did? |
| 17:50.42 | ilhami | which command did you run? |
| 17:50.46 | ilhami | and what happened after? |
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| 17:51.26 | applebloom | okay this is one of the things i did in an attempt to fix the theme issue: |
| 17:51.29 | applebloom | sudo apt-get -f install libgtk-3-common/stable |
| 17:52.17 | applebloom | then when I opened up the openbox menu, it said there was an error with cb-recent-pipemenu or something, so I had to reinstall cb-pipemenu and that took care of that issue.. |
| 17:52.26 | applebloom | really the last problem is just these darkened icons in tint2 |
| 17:52.35 | ilhami | maybe some of the debian experts will answer you soon. |
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| 17:53.06 | applebloom | i hope... I suppose I can live without the icons but it's weird :| |
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| 17:53.42 | dimitry7 | hi |
| 17:53.51 | applebloom | are you a debian expert? |
| 17:54.05 | dimitry7 | I am not |
| 17:54.06 | ilhami | lol |
| 17:54.15 | ilhami | los desperados :-D |
| 17:54.21 | dimitry7 | los desesperados |
| 17:54.26 | dimitry7 | y los que les dicen así |
| 17:54.33 | applebloom | vu parles le francais? |
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| 17:54.38 | dimitry7 | oui |
| 17:54.42 | ilhami | no |
| 17:54.42 | dimitry7 | très bien |
| 17:54.46 | applebloom | oh |
| 17:54.48 | ilhami | hablo espanol |
| 17:54.48 | ilhami | :D |
| 17:54.52 | dimitry7 | yo también |
| 17:54.53 | Nik05 | tais-toi english please |
| 17:55.04 | dimitry7 | I speak English |
| 17:55.09 | ilhami | dimitry7: pero muy poco |
| 17:55.13 | ilhami | :D |
| 17:55.22 | ilhami | can you even say that lol |
| 17:55.23 | ilhami | ? |
| 17:55.24 | dimitry7 | ilhami, no, I speak it very fluently |
| 17:55.30 | ilhami | not me dimitry7 |
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| 17:55.33 | ilhami | can you teach me? |
| 17:55.35 | Eldunar | Hello, i have some problems with xubuntu 14.10. 1) each time when i log in to desktop its colours are mixed ( some parts of wallpaper and font is painted in red/pink) 2nd i can not get play on linux database application. 3rd is that: previously it was fglrx now ubuntu switched it on its own to xorg and do not want to switch again to fglrx.4rd is that i can not update my system via apt-get |
| 17:55.36 | dimitry7 | yes |
| 17:55.37 | dimitry7 | I can :D |
| 17:55.44 | greycat | Eldunar: we don't support Xubuntu here. |
| 17:55.48 | applebloom | i will repost my problem later, good luck guy |
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| 17:55.49 | applebloom | guys* |
| 17:55.50 | Nik05 | Eldunar what channel did you join? |
| 17:55.55 | dimitry7 | it's easy, all you have to do is to get a girl from Mexico haha |
| 17:55.57 | ilhami | tengo que hablar con el mero mero. :-) |
| 17:56.00 | Nik05 | !offtopic |
| 17:56.00 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 17:56.14 | dimitry7 | ilhami, hahaha, quien es el mero mero? |
| 17:56.19 | Eldunar | Ok so sorry guys. Have a nice day |
| 17:56.22 | ilhami | dunno who the boss is :D |
| 17:56.24 | dondelelcaro | dimitry7, ilhami: please take it elsewhere. |
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| 17:56.32 | dimitry7 | dondelelcaro, sorry |
| 17:56.45 | ilhami | dondelelcaro: sorry Spanish guy. :-) |
| 17:56.50 | dimitry7 | ilhami, this channel is to be talking about #Debian and in English |
| 17:56.56 | applebloom | okay see my tint2 pic? The wifi icon is blackened out and not showing information regarding the "bars" and the battery icon is not showing "fill"... Why is that? http://imgur.com/B7LRm7S |
| 17:56.57 | dimitry7 | only, my mistake |
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| 17:57.04 | ilhami | dimitry7: my mistake. |
| 17:57.09 | dimitry7 | np :-) |
| 17:57.52 | ilhami | applebloom: can you not modify the colors in settings? |
| 17:57.57 | ilhami | panel settings maybe? |
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| 17:58.56 | applebloom | ilhami, naw it wont let me |
| 17:59.30 | dimitry7 | is there a good guide for secure debian partitioning? |
| 17:59.40 | dimitry7 | also for permissions |
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| 17:59.49 | dimitry7 | in /, /home etc |
| 17:59.59 | ilhami | there is a guide for damaging debian partiioning. :) that's me. |
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| 18:01.04 | dimitry7 | lol |
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| 18:05.53 | likecolacola | me sorprende la cantidad de gente que habla castellano aqui xd |
| 18:06.14 | markerz | hey guys im not sure why but i am using the method on http://hak5.org/episodes/hak5-1215 and on the final step when installing the actual netflix-desktop i get a E: unable to locate netflix-desktop. can anyone help? |
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| 18:07.34 | ilhami | likecolacola: tienes que hablar inglés aqui. :-) |
| 18:07.55 | ilhami | entiendes? :-) |
| 18:08.49 | likecolacola | ilhami, okey xd |
| 18:09.01 | ilhami | otherwise the mero mero gets mad. :D |
| 18:09.08 | acz32 | is it safe to allow flash to run on sites like youtube and other big-names now that iceweasel is blocking flash by default? |
| 18:09.34 | ilhami | acz32: well what else do you want to use? |
| 18:10.02 | ilhami | there are some open source alternatives you can use if you are not comfortable with flash. |
| 18:10.16 | nkf1 | Iceweasel blocks flash for political reasons - because flash isn't Free and Open Source Software. Flash does introduce some vulnerabilities, but if you're okay with installing non-free, non-libre, closed-source software, it's okay. |
| 18:10.28 | nkf1 | it's about as secure as using mac |
| 18:10.36 | ilhami | lol |
| 18:10.41 | nkf1 | which is basically secure, but some people don't like it anyway because it's closed source |
| 18:10.52 | acz32 | that's not what i mean. flash can be installed but for a couple weeks now it is click-to-run by default and gives a vulnerability message |
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| 18:11.07 | nkf1 | Oh - that's because it's not up to date. |
| 18:11.30 | ilhami | acz32: always update your software. |
| 18:11.42 | acz32 | ilhami: flash can't be updated |
| 18:11.48 | ilhami | ok. |
| 18:12.23 | nkf1 | I'm just noticing now that flash actually doesn't have an update on linux⦠|
| 18:12.25 | acz32 | so now the latest version is vulnerable |
| 18:12.36 | nkf1 | Adobe discontinued flash for linux a while ago |
| 18:12.46 | acz32 | yes, they don't maintain it anymore |
| 18:12.48 | nkf1 | but they said they would still give security fixes |
| 18:12.56 | nkf1 | looks like that's over then |
| 18:12.57 | ilhami | why am I not gettnig that warning you are having? |
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| 18:13.10 | nkf1 | Google is still updating their Pepper Flash |
| 18:13.17 | nkf1 | but it only works with Chrome |
| 18:13.18 | acz32 | you may have it set to allow everything by default |
| 18:13.33 | ilhami | acz32: hmm, nah |
| 18:13.41 | ilhami | or well maybe I have unknowingly. |
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| 18:15.15 | un214 | how do I make a rescue boot CD based on running system? |
| 18:15.16 | acz32 | the open source alternatives basically involve downloading the video as opposed to streaming it, right? |
| 18:15.42 | nkf1 | well, there's Gnash |
| 18:15.48 | nkf1 | it sort of works with youtube |
| 18:15.56 | nkf1 | it's basically a reverse-engineering of flash |
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| 18:16.17 | nkf1 | it's also possible to stream Youtube videos via HTML5 |
| 18:16.37 | nkf1 | but I think that uses closed-source javascript code from google |
| 18:16.54 | un214 | there aint no such thing as closed-source javascript |
| 18:17.08 | nkf1 | no, but there's copyrighted, obfuscated javascript |
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| 18:17.24 | nkf1 | which is now often the standard |
| 18:17.36 | un214 | don't confuse obfuscated with minimized |
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| 18:18.15 | nkf1 | either way, if it's copyrighted and not licensed freely, then it's not libre or open source |
| 18:18.23 | nkf1 | no matter what form the source code is available in |
| 18:19.03 | un214 | so I must repeat question: how do I make rescue CD from running system, picking up running system's drivers? |
| 18:19.14 | greycat | If the source is available but copyrighted, it is open source but not free. |
| 18:19.21 | un214 | boot CD drivers aren't right |
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| 18:20.13 | greycat | un214: I think there's a #debian-boot channel on OFTC. Maybe. |
| 18:20.31 | un214 | ??OFTC |
| 18:20.37 | greycat | !OFTC |
| 18:20.37 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 18:20.40 | acz32 | i came across shumway as a way to interpret flash files |
| 18:20.43 | acz32 | that's open source |
| 18:20.53 | acz32 | works as a firefox/iceweasel plugin |
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| 18:57.08 | RayzrShrp | anybody know if xfce4 in jessie just updated the default background wallpaper? |
| 18:57.25 | RayzrShrp | went into my debian jessie vm running xfce4 and the wallaper changed on me |
| 18:58.23 | harmaahylje | change it back? |
| 18:58.36 | RayzrShrp | im just curious if it updated? |
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| 19:02.49 | markerz | hey guys after installing google chrome, why does the instalation prevent apt-get upgrade from being used? |
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| 19:03.10 | markerz | i keep trying to figure it out but im unsure why it stops apt-get upgrade. |
| 19:03.21 | greycat | what error are you getting? |
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| 19:04.45 | Bluewolf | Is this command correct, I'm checking my usb drives md5sum but its taking a while? - md5sum /dev/sdd |
| 19:04.50 | markerz | greycat, give me a second to reproduce it |
| 19:05.36 | greycat | Bluewolf: that will read every byte of the raw disk device, from the master boot record to the very end of the storage area |
| 19:06.29 | Bluewolf | greycat: Yeah that would explain why my hash does not match up with - ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso |
| 19:06.41 | Bluewolf | Forgotten how to do this :D' |
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| 19:07.07 | greycat | If that is a CD image, it may not boot when written to a USB mass storage device. |
| 19:07.20 | greycat | But you'd have to ask #ubuntu about that. |
| 19:08.10 | markerz | greycat, this is what i get http://pastebin.com/YTmnRbFf |
| 19:08.47 | greycat | markerz: have you tried "apt-get -f install" yet? (no other arguments, just that) |
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| 19:09.03 | sidey | any debian cli tools for downloading instagram photos? |
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| 19:09.14 | markerz | greycat, yes and it gives same error |
| 19:09.22 | markerz | oh wait |
| 19:09.26 | markerz | no args, let me try |
| 19:09.31 | wyre]] | hi guys! someone could tell me why this is happening? ... :S http://paste.debian.net/138172/ |
| 19:09.36 | greycat | ,versions libappindicator1 |
| 19:09.37 | judd | Package: libappindicator1 on i386 -- wheezy: 0.4.92-2; jessie: 0.4.92-3.1; sid: 0.4.92-3.1 |
| 19:09.40 | Bluewolf | greycat: Oh meant to say thanks before I left, cheers :D |
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| 19:10.02 | markerz | greycat, its working, thanks man |
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| 19:16.26 | twanny796 | how can I make a program start at log in? |
| 19:16.39 | OSVG | What version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:17.03 | twanny796 | Kali |
| 19:17.08 | greycat | ?? |
| 19:17.16 | greycat | does not remember that Toy Story character |
| 19:17.43 | OSVG | You may need to google that, since it will depend on what version of Kali you are running, and this is ##debian |
| 19:17.52 | twanny796 | Kali Linux 1.0.6 |
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| 19:18.21 | greycat | That doesn't sound like Debian to me. |
| 19:18.41 | OSVG | twanny: Again, you may need to google that. |
| 19:18.41 | twanny796 | greycat, how should it be done on debian? |
| 19:18.54 | OSVG | Would depend on whether you have systemd or not. |
| 19:19.41 | OSVG | Among other things. |
| 19:19.57 | twanny796 | I don't seem to have systemd |
| 19:20.02 | greycat | OSVG: he said at login, not at boot |
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| 19:20.16 | greycat | So it depends on whether you login on a Linux console, or via a GUI (xdm or equivalent). |
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| 19:20.35 | OSVG | greycat: systemd supports waiting until the user logs in. |
| 19:20.43 | greycat | If you login on the Linux console, and if your user account's shell is bash, you can just add the command(s) to ~/.bash_profile |
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| 19:20.45 | OSVG | Thus why I stated... |
| 19:20.52 | greycat | OSVG: that is utterly fucking terrifying. |
| 19:21.09 | OSVG | greycat: If you don't understand how it works, perhaps? |
| 19:21.35 | greycat | I'm not convinced I *want* to understand this behemoth, but it seems I am eventually going to be forced to. |
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| 19:21.36 | twanny796 | I don't log in console |
| 19:22.00 | greycat | twanny796: figure out what program you *do* use to login, then figure out which dot files it reads (if any) |
| 19:22.39 | twanny796 | greycat, I prob can use the other option --- in ~/.bash_profile? |
| 19:22.48 | greycat | twanny796: well, you can try it. |
| 19:23.05 | greycat | I would not expect it to work on a GUI login unless you've already configured the GUI login to read .bash_profile (that is not normally done) |
| 19:23.19 | OSVG | wonders about people who use Kali but can't google basic functions in Linux |
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| 19:24.33 | twanny796 | greycat, excuse my ignorance but how can I know which GUI login I am using? |
| 19:25.34 | Miesco | At boot time, does the EFI look at /etc/fstab to find out where the file system is? |
| 19:25.43 | OSVG | Greycat: Bet you 10 bucks his issue is ~not~ that he needs something to start at login not boot. |
| 19:25.44 | greycat | twanny796: ask the Kali channel |
| 19:25.56 | Miesco | But if its accessing /etc/fstab, its already found the filesystem :/ |
| 19:26.36 | greycat | Miesco: /etc/fstab is not used until pretty late in the boot process (after root file system has already been mounted RO, checked, and then remounted RW) |
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| 19:26.57 | OSVG | fstab is typically for non-root fs. |
| 19:27.01 | greycat | and swap |
| 19:27.03 | OSVG | root fs is coming in before that. |
| 19:27.05 | OSVG | Yes |
| 19:28.43 | phy1729 | Miesco: https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/ |
| 19:29.26 | Miesco | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/MIJqtyehVXRoveRz5jtu/ |
| 19:29.44 | Miesco | Why do my two ext4 file systems have the same UUID? |
| 19:30.04 | Miesco | the sda3 is a dd of the sdc7. |
| 19:30.32 | greycat | presumably because dd made an exact byte-for-byte copy including the UUID |
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| 19:30.54 | jhutchins | Miesco: Did you maybe use dd to copy the partition? |
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| 19:31.12 | greycat | 14:30 Miesco> the sda3 is a dd of the sdc7. |
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| 19:33.40 | Miesco | So how the heck is my system supposed to know which to mount? |
| 19:34.00 | Miesco | phy1729: Thanks for the link by the way, still reading it. |
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| 19:34.38 | greycat | The root file system is passed as an argument to the kernel by GRUB. |
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| 19:35.48 | greycat | And if you're really asking "which *of those two* is it supposed to ..." then the real answer is "you should not have used dd to copy a file system including UUID" |
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| 19:36.15 | Getafix74 | Hi |
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| 19:36.31 | nkf1 | Hello |
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| 19:36.46 | Getafix74 | Hi nkf1 |
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| 19:38.55 | jhutchins | Miesco: Actually, it's ok to copy it like that, but if you need to mount them both and distinguish them on the system you can change the UUID of one of them. |
| 19:39.04 | jhutchins | !uuid |
| 19:39.04 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 19:39.46 | nkf1 | wait is dpkg an automatic bot? |
| 19:39.50 | nkf1 | !uuid |
| 19:39.50 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 19:39.56 | nkf1 | ok, i gather it is |
| 19:40.00 | greycat | as opposed to a manual bot? |
| 19:40.19 | jhutchins | Miesco: Hang on a moment, |
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| 19:40.43 | nkf1 | greycat: no, as opposed to a quickly researching human who only takes commands in a computer-like fashion. |
| 19:41.10 | phy1729 | nkf1: that's me :p |
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| 19:42.23 | jhutchins | Miesco: This looks like a pretty easy fix: http://www.sudo-juice.com/how-to-change-the-uuid-of-a-linux-partition/ |
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| 19:43.31 | greycat | yeah, changing the UUID would allow them both to be mounted (and for GRUB to distinguish them to the kernel), but it doesn't fix "I copied an N-byte partition into an M-byte space" |
| 19:43.40 | jhutchins | Miesco: You can also do tune2fs -U random to do it in one step. |
| 19:43.51 | nkf1 | !n-byte |
| 19:43.54 | jhutchins | greycat: True. |
| 19:44.31 | greycat | nkf1: if you copied a 10 GB source partition with dd into a 20 GB destination partition, then your destination is still a 10 GB file system with 10 GB of wasted disk space after it |
| 19:44.53 | nkf1 | Oh, I see. Thanks |
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| 19:47.12 | Miesco | I have both of these same UUID partitions mounted right now |
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| 19:47.56 | Miesco | A matter of fact, it even says I do in my paste http://paste.pound-python.org/show/MIJqtyehVXRoveRz5jtu/ |
| 19:48.15 | greycat | But they aren't being mounted by UUID=... lines in fstab. |
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| 19:49.56 | Miesco | Yes |
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| 20:00.06 | pie_ | how can i get java visualvm on wheezy? |
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| 20:02.42 | Miesco | !mbr |
| 20:02.43 | dpkg | The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR. |
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| 20:05.51 | someHuman | Holy shit! |
| 20:06.00 | someHuman | Debian's Wireshark is really way behind. |
| 20:06.50 | collizion | someHuman: what's the latest stable? |
| 20:07.04 | collizion | someHuman: 1.12.2? |
| 20:07.09 | someHuman | Yup |
| 20:07.14 | collizion | someHuman: 1.12.1 is in wheezy-backports |
| 20:07.34 | someHuman | Does that contain nonfree software? |
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| 20:07.49 | someHuman | Could you take a look at my sources.list? |
| 20:08.13 | SynrG | ,v wireshark |
| 20:08.14 | judd | Package: wireshark on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1.2.11-6+squeeze14; squeeze: 1.2.11-6+squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 1.2.11-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 1.8.2-5wheezy11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.8.2-5wheezy12; wheezy-security: 1.8.2-5wheezy13; wheezy-backports: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-2~bpo70+1; sid: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-2; jessie: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-2 |
| 20:08.45 | collizion | someHuman: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/wireshark |
| 20:08.50 | someHuman | judd: I don't understand, sorry I'm newbie :D |
| 20:08.51 | judd | No package named 'don't' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 20:09.07 | SynrG | someHuman: judd is a bot |
| 20:09.11 | someHuman | Aha |
| 20:09.42 | SynrG | someHuman: it's not in non-free, no. it's in wheezy-backports. |
| 20:09.52 | SynrG | !tell someHuman about wheezy-backports |
| 20:09.59 | Miesco | !grub |
| 20:10.00 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
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| 20:10.59 | sotto | Can someone help me get i3 to display Korean Characters? I added the Korean language to the locale and I installed many Korean fonts, but i3bar will not render Korean glyphs and they come out as a dotted rectangular box. I'm not sure if this is an i3 issue or a Debian issue, but here is my config file for i3: http://p.nnev.de/4924 |
| 20:12.29 | Miesco | Wait, so grub is not a linux program? |
| 20:12.46 | greycat | GRUB runs before Linux |
| 20:12.51 | Miesco | You could have a windows machine with grub? |
| 20:12.55 | OSVG | Yes |
| 20:13.00 | pfred1 | grub is a bootloader |
| 20:13.11 | OSVG | You could have a multi-boot all windows system running Grub with no linux installed on it. |
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| 20:13.18 | greycat | Well, technically it's got multiple pieces. There's a piece that is resident at the start of the disk that runs before Linux. And another that runs *inside* Linux to update whatever. |
| 20:13.27 | Miesco | So grub can be in the form of MBR code or UEFI code? |
| 20:13.31 | OSVG | Yes |
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| 20:15.28 | jhutchins | ,v i3wm |
| 20:15.30 | judd | No package named 'i3wm' was found in i386. |
| 20:15.43 | jhutchins | sotto: https://faq.i3wm.org/question/1937/i3-korean-problem-in-every-window-title-bar/ |
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| 20:16.19 | sotto | jhutchins: if you read my config you can see I already did that |
| 20:16.34 | jhutchins | sotto: Is your version compatible? |
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| 20:17.11 | someHuman | I get duplicate errors for adding free backports repo for wheezy. |
| 20:17.15 | someHuman | Should I remove the contrib? |
| 20:17.29 | someHuman | Hold on. |
| 20:17.30 | someHuman | O |
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| 20:17.33 | sotto | jhutchins: yes |
| 20:17.36 | someHuman | I'll post my sources.list |
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| 20:18.30 | someHuman | http://codepad.org/1swapT24 |
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| 20:19.58 | pfred1 | i3-wm - an improved dynamic tiling window manager |
| 20:20.01 | greycat | someHuman: well, clearly you have the same http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports listed twice. |
| 20:20.29 | Getafix74 | why won't google-musicmanager-beta and google-talkplugin update with apt-get upgrade? It says they are held back?! |
| 20:20.50 | Miesco | So let me get this straight. The GPT is on the EFI partition? |
| 20:21.08 | greycat | Getafix74: Usually that means one of them depends on a newer library package that isn't already installed. Try explicitly doing "apt-get install google-musicmanager-beta google-talkplugin" |
| 20:21.24 | greycat | Miesco: GPT is a disk partitioning format |
| 20:22.01 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 20:22.16 | Getafix74 | greycat, thx, it says it needs libc >= 2.15 |
| 20:22.31 | Getafix74 | thanks, I'll find the package for libc |
| 20:22.39 | greycat | Getafix74: that means you would have to upgrade to jessie |
| 20:22.50 | greycat | ,versions libc6 |
| 20:22.51 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u3; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; sid: 2.19-13; jessie: 2.19-13 |
| 20:23.12 | Miesco | greycat: I thought it was a partition table? |
| 20:23.15 | Getafix74 | greycat, really? |
| 20:23.26 | greycat | Miesco: it includes the partition table, yes |
| 20:23.30 | pfred1 | Getafix74 everything depends on libc |
| 20:23.39 | Getafix74 | greycat, can i not just upgrade the package? |
| 20:23.39 | greycat | damned near everything |
| 20:24.00 | Getafix74 | Is jessie stable now? |
| 20:24.03 | greycat | no |
| 20:24.13 | pfred1 | the hardest thing I ever did in Linux was to get a parallel libc installed and working by hand |
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| 20:24.29 | Getafix74 | pfred1, was it worth it? |
| 20:24.35 | pfred1 | mess that up and you mess your whole systme up |
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| 20:24.58 | pfred1 | Getafix74 in retrospect no I wanted to run KDE and once I got it working I ran it for about 10 minutes |
| 20:25.06 | Getafix74 | lol |
| 20:25.08 | pfred1 | it took days to get it to work |
| 20:25.37 | pfred1 | that was back when the distro i ran supported libc5 and not glibc2 |
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| 20:25.50 | greycat | "It took days to get KDE installed, and then 10 minutes to realize it sucked." |
| 20:25.55 | pfred1 | kde never ran on libc5 |
| 20:25.59 | pfred1 | back then it sure did |
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| 20:26.05 | pfred1 | that was version 0.16 |
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| 20:27.07 | Getafix74 | tbh i don't think it's worth me bothering for google-musicmanager |
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| 20:27.13 | Getafix74 | it can wait |
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| 20:27.36 | pfred1 | Getafix74 you really don't want to go monkeying around with libc |
| 20:27.53 | Getafix74 | pfred1, no i really don't! |
| 20:28.03 | pfred1 | Getafix74 run this command ldd `which bash` |
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| 20:28.17 | pfred1 | then think of what that would mean if you broke your libc |
| 20:28.53 | Getafix74 | No thanks I know how much it's used by the system. That's why I'm backing away |
| 20:29.03 | pfred1 | when you booted you wouldn't evne get a command prompt |
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| 20:29.15 | greycat | You wouldn't be able to boot in any realistic sense. |
| 20:29.23 | pfred1 | oh the system would start |
| 20:29.40 | greycat | The *kernel* would start, but mount depends on libc... |
| 20:29.41 | pfred1 | but it would be about as sueful as brocks tied to a puppy's ears |
| 20:29.46 | Miesco | greycat: I thought the partition with the partition table is "EFI" |
| 20:30.01 | greycat | Miesco: no, the EFI partition contains stuff used by the boot loader |
| 20:30.24 | greycat | You can't put the partition table inside a partition. Catch 22. |
| 20:30.39 | pfred1 | isn't that what an extended partition is? |
| 20:31.05 | sotto | Can someone help me get i3 to display Korean Characters? I added the Korean language to the locale and I installed many Korean fonts, but i3bar will not render Korean glyphs and they come out as a dotted rectangular box. I'm not sure if this is an i3 issue or a Debian issue, but here is my config file for i3: http://p.nnev.de/4924 |
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| 20:31.24 | pfred1 | couldn't you make a filesystem on a loopback and partition it? I'm pretty sure I've doen that too |
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| 20:31.50 | Getafix74 | sotto, have you got a korean font installed? |
| 20:31.51 | pfred1 | that is how you master ISO images |
| 20:31.54 | greycat | That wouldn't be *the* disk partition table, though. The one that the firmware reads. |
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| 20:32.02 | sotto | Getafix74: yes |
| 20:32.12 | pfred1 | greycat from my perspective they look the same :) |
| 20:32.18 | jhutchins | sotto: #i3 on irc.twice-irc.de |
| 20:32.36 | sotto | jhutchins: I already tried |
| 20:32.58 | pfred1 | for a while I got into loopbacked filesystems |
| 20:33.09 | jhutchins | sotto: If you already know all the answers, how do you expect anybody to help? |
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| 20:33.33 | pfred1 | stupid Linux trix |
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| 20:33.43 | greycat | sotto: if the Korean fonts render in a web browser, but not in this "i3" thing, then it's an i3 issue and not a larger Debian font issue. |
| 20:33.52 | sotto | jhutchins: I don't know all the answers, that's why Iam asking |
| 20:34.26 | pfred1 | xset +fp rehash |
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| 20:35.05 | pfred1 | that'll activate newly installed fonts |
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| 20:35.23 | pfred1 | though I think it should automaticvally be done for you on install |
| 20:35.23 | Miesco | !fat |
| 20:35.30 | Miesco | !fat32 |
| 20:35.30 | dpkg | modprobe vfat && mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever . You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (i.e. one byte less than 4 GB) on a FAT32 filesystem. See also <vfat>. |
| 20:35.38 | greycat | Miesco: consider /msg dpkg fat32 |
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| 20:37.21 | ravigehlot | I would like to install JUST te documentation of package...is there a way to do that? |
| 20:37.41 | greycat | only if the documentation has been split into a separate package |
| 20:38.04 | greycat | otherwise you'd have to install the whole package, and then remove the parts you don't want |
| 20:38.26 | Miesco | So EFI is a partition of the GPT partition type that has a filesystem much like FAT, and it is used with the GPT partition table of which is in the FAT-like filesystem? |
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| 20:38.42 | greycat | what8 |
| 20:38.51 | ravigehlot | ah k |
| 20:38.53 | ravigehlot | thanks greycat |
| 20:38.57 | greycat | Miesco: GPT is the layout of the ENTIRE disk. It is a format. A description. |
| 20:38.57 | phy1729 | An EFI System partition is a partion in the EFI table that is FAT formatted and has boot code |
| 20:40.02 | pfred1 | all of that sounds so scary |
| 20:40.17 | phy1729 | it's much better than MBR imo |
| 20:40.37 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Legacy_MBR_.28LBA_0.29 |
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| 20:42.12 | Miesco | So the EFI partition is one partition on a disk that UEFI looks for to execute the bootloader. It also contains a description of all the partitions on the disk. Correct? |
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| 20:42.27 | Walex | Miesco: only 1st part |
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| 20:42.39 | greycat | The EFI partition DOES NOT CONTAIN A PARTITION TABLE OR A DESCRIPTION OF OTHER PARTITIONS |
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| 20:43.11 | Miesco | greycat Oh, so where is the GPT? |
| 20:43.18 | phy1729 | also you can have more than one system partition |
| 20:43.23 | phy1729 | Miesco: LBA1 |
| 20:43.33 | phy1729 | LBA0 is the protective MBR |
| 20:43.51 | guardian | hello, is there another channel than #debian-boot on oftc to discuss preseed? there are 100+ users there but it's mostly silent |
| 20:43.58 | phy1729 | and there's a backup partition table at the end of the disk |
| 20:44.32 | Miesco | LBA1? |
| 20:44.42 | greycat | Are you not reading the wikipedia page at all? |
| 20:44.48 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Partition_table_header_.28LBA_1.29 |
| 20:44.57 | phy1729 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing |
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| 20:45.45 | Miesco | I see, so the GPT is still at the beginning of the disk, just like MBR? |
| 20:46.03 | phy1729 | did you read what I said? |
| 20:46.12 | greycat | GPT is a format. The *partition table* is still near the start of the disk. |
| 20:46.35 | Miesco | I thought GPT was a partition table, GUID Partition Table |
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| 20:47.10 | phy1729 | greycat: what do you mean by GPT is a format? |
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| 20:47.29 | petn-randall | guardian: Be patient, it might take a few hours for a response. |
| 20:47.37 | Walex | phy1729: GPT like MBR is a way to turn a disk device into what is essentially an (uncompressed) ZIP file. |
| 20:48.17 | phy1729 | Walex: what?? |
| 20:48.24 | pfred1 | uncompressed ZIP file sounds like an oxymoron to me |
| 20:48.54 | mecalth | hello all |
| 20:48.59 | Walex | phy1729: the members of this sort-of ZIP file are called "partitions" and can contain other data archives called "filesystems". And so on potentially for several levels |
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| 20:49.07 | Miesco | So EFI is just for the boot loader and has nothing to do with the partition table? |
| 20:49.14 | Walex | pfred1: members of a ZIP file can be uncompressed... |
| 20:49.14 | mecalth | who wants to talk about systemd and how it will affect my next upgrade? |
| 20:49.15 | greycat | Miesco: correct |
| 20:49.16 | petn-randall | guardian: Also make sure your problem is described precisely so people can answer with as little back and forth as possible. |
| 20:49.29 | phy1729 | Walex: I think the just confuses things more than it helps |
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| 20:50.09 | petn-randall | Walex: I disagree on your analogy. But, that's like your opinion, man ;) |
| 20:50.30 | Walex | phy1729: too bad if that's the case. The idea of files as containers for other files with a directory of members somewhere, like ZIP or 'ar' or 'tar' files, or MBR or GPT or other partitioning schemes, is quite important.# |
| 20:51.46 | phy1729 | Miesco: UEFI is a standard and type of firmware that must be able to read GPT formatted disks and must be able to read EFI System partitions on those disks. Those partitions are formatted with FAT in a way specified by the standard and have bootcode in a specified location. The GPT format has a partition table in LBA1 and following addresses and a backup at the end of the disk. |
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| 20:51.58 | Miesco | Okay, so the GPT is a layout for the format of specifying where all the partitions on the disk are, and it is located at LBA1, which I gather from wikipedia is a header (so at the beginning of the disk just like MBR) that contains the locations of the partitions. |
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| 20:52.40 | greycat | LBA 0 is the very beginning. LBA 1 is just after that. Read the page I linked to, like, 4 times. There's a picture in the upper right corner. |
| 20:53.21 | Miesco | I see |
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| 20:53.40 | pfred1 | my next PC probably won't even be an x86 |
| 20:53.51 | mecalth | nobody interested? I guess that answers my question.... |
| 20:54.20 | phy1729 | mecalth: /msg dpkg systemd |
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| 20:55.08 | mecalth | lol, I don't want to install it phy1729 |
| 20:55.22 | Walex | mecalth: that sounds like trolling... 'systemd' is a controversial subject. |
| 20:55.30 | phy1729 | dpkg is the channel bot |
| 20:55.30 | dpkg | wish i knew, phy1729 |
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| 20:55.43 | pfred1 | systemd is a subject I am going to try to avoid |
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| 20:55.53 | mecalth | it is, and it's going to affect my next system upgrade. jessie is on the horizon, right? |
| 20:56.01 | greycat | yes |
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| 20:56.16 | greycat | Jessie has been frozen for like 7 weeks or so. |
| 20:56.21 | pfred1 | mecalth neh i still have some systems that run Lenny |
| 20:56.28 | mecalth | I've used debian 5,6,7 and if I'm not going to be happy with jessie, I want to know why.... |
| 20:56.37 | pfred1 | who says we have to upgrade? |
| 20:56.40 | mecalth | debian is great |
| 20:56.51 | mecalth | we have to upgrade or we don't get security patches... for one |
| 20:56.55 | mecalth | right? |
| 20:57.14 | Epakai | systemd isn't required |
| 20:57.23 | greycat | It will be required in jessie, from what I understand. |
| 20:57.24 | mecalth | they SAY it will be required in jessie.... |
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| 20:57.38 | dvs | Yay! 169 bugs left! |
| 20:57.44 | Walex | mecalth: if you do some relatively small extra effort you can use another one of the support 'init' systems. |
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| 20:57.57 | phy1729 | !systemd |
| 20:57.57 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 20:58.02 | Walex | mecalth: it is not "required", it is "default" which is a different thing. |
| 20:58.08 | pfred1 | I heard there is a fork project |
| 20:58.19 | mecalth | sorry, didn't know about dpkg here on irc guys... |
| 20:58.35 | Walex | mecalth: if you want to change the default it may take some extra work. |
| 20:58.35 | collizion | pfred1: there is, but im not too concerned about the switch to systemd |
| 20:58.38 | Miesco | "Itâs not against [UEFI] the spec to write a firmware that can execute code in other formats, read other types of partition table, and read partitions formatted with filesystems other than the UEFI variants of FAT." |
| 20:58.38 | Evropi | it's not going anywhere pfred1 |
| 20:58.44 | mecalth | default could become "required" and that's what worries me |
| 20:58.47 | greycat | You're welcome to talk about systemd here, but many of us don't know it very well yet. |
| 20:58.49 | pfred1 | http://debianfork.org/ |
| 20:59.08 | mecalth | I don't like uefi either mieseco... lol |
| 20:59.18 | Miesco | greycat: This is correct? |
| 20:59.22 | collizion | uefi isn't going anywhere, either. |
| 20:59.22 | pfred1 | I never had an efi system |
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| 20:59.24 | Evropi | I didn't know any init system before systemd (I became a linux user in 2011 and started renting a vps just this year) so I don't have a problem with it |
| 20:59.29 | collizion | i suggest you get used to it |
| 20:59.42 | Miesco | mecalth: Why don't you like it? |
| 20:59.47 | Evropi | I had to use Upstart on my laptop (with Ubuntu) and it was a pain |
| 20:59.49 | Walex | collizion: 'systemd' may well eventually replace Debian... |
| 20:59.50 | mecalth | as a user, I probably won't know the difference |
| 20:59.50 | pfred1 | collizion why get used to it? there are alternatives to x86 |
| 21:00.05 | pfred1 | I am not going to support things I do not want to |
| 21:00.06 | collizion | was talking about efi. |
| 21:00.08 | mecalth | yet, I've heard that it's a bad design, could end up dominating the entire os |
| 21:00.21 | mecalth | that we will in fact have something like Debian systemd/linux |
| 21:00.28 | mecalth | as opposed to gnu/linux |
| 21:00.30 | collizion | and by all means, use whatever alternative you wish. |
| 21:00.34 | Evropi | you will probably never have to interact with it unless you do sysadmin stuff |
| 21:00.47 | collizion | mecalth: that is a gross misunderstanding, though |
| 21:01.03 | mecalth | well, I'm here to update my knowledge on the controversy |
| 21:01.12 | greycat | Everyone here does sysadmin stuff, right? |
| 21:01.27 | mecalth | I have to admin my computers here at home at the least |
| 21:01.34 | collizion | Debian isn't the only one to switch to systemd. Fedora already has. The vast majority of the usage experience is the same. The only change I've had to make from init-based Fedora to systemd Fedora is what command I use to enable services on start. |
| 21:01.38 | pfred1 | greycat when I turn around to see my sysadmin there'd better be a mirror behind me |
| 21:01.39 | mecalth | and not I"m not a professional |
| 21:02.08 | Getafix74 | I do sys support |
| 21:02.12 | mecalth | yep collizon, I head fedora runs systemd. I don't like fedora by the way.. lol |
| 21:02.30 | collizion | i'm not egocentric enough to say that my experience is The Representative Experience, of course, but that's my experience, and I'm a Linux systems engineer by trade. |
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| 21:02.55 | pfred1 | I liked fedora the last time I ran it but it really bombed with the 32 bit compatibility libraries |
| 21:03.05 | mecalth | well, tell me more about systemd before I break into tears please... |
| 21:03.06 | pfred1 | so that was that |
| 21:03.34 | collizion | i'm also not here to really -care- about people's likes and dislikes. Debian is switching to systemd. It's the default but can be changed with some work. There is also a fork in the offing to maintain things as they are. |
| 21:03.57 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd could use some more end user documentation, like "Here is how you restart apache2 under systemd. Here is how you install your own service to run at boot time." |
| 21:04.03 | collizion | mecalth: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5877/what-are-the-pros-cons-of-upstart-and-systemd |
| 21:04.14 | mecalth | yes, collizion, I know about the fork. The question is how do we live with the new system? I've got some choices to make in the coming months |
| 21:04.21 | ompaul | restarting something is service SERVICENAME restart |
| 21:04.24 | mecalth | I like to agonize in advance... :) |
| 21:04.33 | pfred1 | greycat I thought that was what Arch was for user documentation? |
| 21:04.35 | collizion | mecalth: I agonized over the change, myself. |
| 21:04.37 | ompaul | and yes there is how to install your own service stuff needed :) |
| 21:04.55 | collizion | mecalth: In the end, it was "oh, update-rc.d <blah> enable" becomes "systemctl <blah> enable". |
| 21:04.56 | mecalth | and, what did your agony reveal? |
| 21:05.18 | greycat | You used update-rc.d? |
| 21:05.23 | dvs | ompaul: Yeah, that's the part I want to know about |
| 21:05.34 | collizion | greycat: personally, no. I'm drawing parallels. |
| 21:05.50 | mecalth | so it isn't the world destroying os consuming disaster they say it is? |
| 21:06.02 | collizion | mecalth: not by my experience, no. |
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| 21:06.14 | mecalth | but it could grow into something like that, right? |
| 21:06.14 | greycat | Near as I can tell, doing things "the Debian sysvinit way" even in wheezy requires writing this inscrutable block of commented data gibberish at the start of the script, so I never even got THAT far. |
| 21:06.15 | Epakai | of course not, have some faith in the developer's decisions |
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| 21:06.33 | collizion | mecalth: i don't really see that happening, no. it's not the kernel, and its not the userland. |
| 21:06.35 | greycat | In the end I gave up and put the /usr/local/sbin/blah line in /etc/rc.local and called it a day. |
| 21:06.40 | mecalth | are you talking about writing a startup script greycat? |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | Yes, of course. |
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| 21:06.48 | pfred1 | Epakai ah the developer's past track record leaves some questions |
| 21:06.49 | collizion | mecalth: it handles a lot of the system-integral stuff while leaving the userland more or less alone. |
| 21:07.00 | mecalth | hmm, had to do a few of those myself, nothing complex |
| 21:07.22 | mecalth | and people don't like they way it handles system stuff? right? |
| 21:07.37 | collizion | mecalth: Sure, it absorbs some functionality previously left to independent code, like udev. So far, the differences in the end have been minimal. |
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| 21:08.11 | mecalth | ah, that's the thing. at this point, maybe I want an independent udev... right? |
| 21:08.22 | Epakai | do you know why? |
| 21:08.25 | greycat | I'm perfectly happy not knowing a damned thing about udev. |
| 21:08.29 | collizion | mecalth: Unless /dev/sda is for some reason better than /dev/sda, I wouldn't see why you'd care. |
| 21:08.30 | mecalth | lol |
| 21:08.48 | pfred1 | the only way I've made udev work is delete those pesky device files it makes |
| 21:08.55 | mecalth | could I tweak systemd like I tweak udev? |
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| 21:09.21 | ROG3R | Can I disable the wifi led in debian? |
| 21:09.31 | collizion | mecalth: Yes. I've done it. If you want a particular device at /dev/derpface, I'm sure you're able to. |
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| 21:09.59 | mecalth | oh, so I don't sacrifice configurability? that's a relief |
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| 21:10.32 | collizion | mecalth: I haven't seen a case thus far where a previously configurable item is no longer so. |
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| 21:11.00 | collizion | mecalth: the configuration syntax does gain some consistency across services, though, so that's a thing. At least, that's what I've seen. |
| 21:11.02 | mecalth | well, it's nice to hear that from a guy who actually uses the thing.... how about stability and all that? |
| 21:11.17 | collizion | mecalth: I've had no issues that I can't blame on myself. |
| 21:11.33 | Miesco | shawn$ efibootmgr |
| 21:11.34 | mecalth | hmmm. well, maybe the future isn't so dark after all..... |
| 21:11.34 | collizion | mecalth: In fact, the only system I've brought down was a test system used to demonstrate what happens when you rm -rf /. |
| 21:11.35 | Miesco | EFI variables are not supported on this system. |
| 21:11.50 | mecalth | don't ever do that |
| 21:12.01 | collizion | mecalth: it was built for the purpose. :P |
| 21:12.02 | guardian | petn-randall: sure |
| 21:12.08 | pfred1 | yeah why not it is fun |
| 21:12.12 | mecalth | I have mistakenly typed rm -r ./* and that was really close |
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| 21:12.53 | mecalth | but they're critisizing the guys who built it. lightly put, the critics don't think the development team is up to the job |
| 21:12.53 | collizion | mecalth: To summarize the intent of systemd: reduce the complexity of system start and service dependency - start less, and start it faster. |
| 21:13.12 | greycat | There's no reduction of complexity from what I can see on the web pages. |
| 21:13.22 | pfred1 | collizion yup nothing i need |
| 21:13.28 | greycat | Maybe I'm not seeing the right web pages yet. |
| 21:13.33 | collizion | shrugs. |
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| 21:14.01 | collizion | i'm happy with what systemd has done. you don't have to be, my needs aren't representative of the whole. the great thing about Linux is its versatility. Use what works best for you, and be happy. |
| 21:14.02 | mecalth | well, it's all up in the air. At least we have one guy who says he has no problems with it, and he works with linux for a living, right collizon? |
| 21:14.08 | pfred1 | that's my biggese beef with systemd it ofers me nothing i want and changes things I'm already familiar with too |
| 21:14.20 | collizion | mecalth: that's my perspective, yes. |
| 21:14.21 | pfred1 | so all it means to me is extra work |
| 21:14.22 | mecalth | I agree pfred |
| 21:14.44 | mecalth | but at the end of the day, set and forget, right pfred1? |
| 21:15.14 | collizion | pfred1: I can understand that. I had the chance to ease into it with a couple of clients, so I was used to it when it achieved wider adoption. |
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| 21:15.48 | mecalth | colllizon, what problem with the current init does systemd solve? |
| 21:16.20 | pfred1 | parallel boot processes |
| 21:16.29 | collizion | mecalth: lack of parallelism, inefficiencies in how services start, etc. It's probably better to read the release announcement, get it from the source. |
| 21:16.35 | mecalth | don't we already do parallell pfred? |
| 21:16.42 | greycat | The clearest "win" for it is the ability to restart services automatically, in a way that's far more flexible than /etc/inittab |
| 21:16.50 | collizion | mecalth: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html |
| 21:16.57 | mecalth | I mean, I look at /etc/rc2.d and I see the priorities that are set there |
| 21:17.03 | pfred1 | mecalth pull your network cable out and boot up |
| 21:17.27 | collizion | mecalth: its a long read, but worth it to understand what systemd is trying to achieve. |
| 21:17.34 | phy1729 | greycat: anyone serious has their own monitoring |
| 21:17.50 | greycat | phy1729: Yes, and I've been using daemontools for that since before systemd *existed*. |
| 21:18.13 | greycat | phy1729: daemontool is *simple*. I can write a boot script for a new service that's 2 lines long. |
| 21:18.20 | mecalth | ok, maybe I'll read the docs collizion |
| 21:18.22 | pfred1 | collizion yeah they're trying to make LInux more like Windows i get it :) |
| 21:18.29 | mecalth | don't have a network cable connected pfred1, sorry |
| 21:18.52 | collizion | pfred1: Not really sure how you draw that conclusion, but alright. |
| 21:18.56 | pfred1 | mecalth then turn off your wi-fi |
| 21:19.03 | petn-randall | pfred1: Does daemontools use cgroups and tracks if all the children of a daemon have died, too? |
| 21:19.09 | greycat | No. |
| 21:19.30 | mecalth | hmm, start less |
| 21:20.00 | mecalth | I already do that collizion... went there and killed all the services I don't need |
| 21:20.07 | greycat | That's another win for daemontools: "You don't have to be on Linux. You don't have to be on a version of Linux that has cgroups. You don't have to know what the hell a cgroup is." |
| 21:20.49 | collizion | mecalth: Wrong context. |
| 21:20.51 | mecalth | start things in parallell, meaning I guess at the same time... why? if you're starting less, how much do you gain? |
| 21:21.06 | collizion | mecalth: Start fewer processes and fewer shell scripts to start the same services. |
| 21:21.07 | mecalth | wrong context? ok.... |
| 21:21.22 | pfred1 | mecalth the biggest time sink booting up is usually initializing the network connection |
| 21:21.24 | mecalth | ah, ok, less overhead to start things, you say? |
| 21:21.56 | pfred1 | even with a connection is uaually consumes about 20% of the time it takes for a system to boot today |
| 21:22.06 | mecalth | you could start the network connection last |
| 21:22.22 | pfred1 | well you're still going to wait for it to happen before you have a prompt |
| 21:22.38 | greycat | There are things you want to do that depend on the network connection being up. |
| 21:22.47 | mecalth | hmm, I don't work in a production environment, but I've got compueters set to config the network on bootup and they don't seem slow |
| 21:23.07 | greycat | So, ideally you want to get the network up ASAP, and while you're waiting for it to come up, run all the things that don't care about the network. Then when it's up, run the rest. |
| 21:23.31 | mecalth | oh, ok, thanks greycat, but that's like dependency booting, right? |
| 21:23.51 | pfred1 | yeah I've performance tuned systems and in the process I've examaned the boot process |
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| 21:24.01 | greycat | I'm describing a vague strategy, not a specific implementation. I don't know how Debian's CURRENT boot system works, let alone the next version's. |
| 21:24.21 | Miesco | I get this when I type efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system. |
| 21:24.27 | pfred1 | aptitude install bootchart2 |
| 21:24.41 | greycat | All I know is "It uses these 12-line comment blocks and you can't just copy one boot script to another name" |
| 21:25.00 | petn-randall | greycat: Booting is a lot more complicated. You have more dependencies than pre-/post-network. |
| 21:25.03 | greycat | When that failed, I gave up and added 2 lines to /etc/rc.local |
| 21:25.17 | pfred1 | gotta love rc.local |
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| 21:26.14 | pfred1 | I run my CNC machine on Linux Debian in fact and I have no idea how that is going to get messed up with systemd |
| 21:26.24 | greycat | Gotta love bureaucrats doing "PCI" compliance rubbish that think Debian's bind9 has security holes when they've actually been patched. |
| 21:26.53 | greycat | Easiest way to get the PCI people to be happy and shut up is to build bind9 from upstream source and install it in /usr/local. Good luck making it RUN though. |
| 21:26.55 | pfred1 | realtime systems are some serious voodoo |
| 21:26.59 | petn-randall | pfred1: How will systemd stop that from working? |
| 21:27.12 | pfred1 | petn-randall I'm not sure |
| 21:27.22 | mecalth | I think the 12 line comment blocks are for telling the system which script to run first if you have a bunch of scripts greycat. |
| 21:27.39 | pfred1 | petn-randall there are definitely parts of that system I do not understand |
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| 21:28.15 | collizion | i'm also not sure how it will behave when doing a dist-upgrade from deb 7. It might keep init in place. |
| 21:28.22 | pfred1 | like how the RTAI module is initialized |
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| 21:29.20 | mecalth | well, got to go. bye all. thanks collizion, pfred1, greycat. |
| 21:29.28 | collizion | Sure thing. |
| 21:29.36 | petn-randall | collizion: Just like every other aspect of the OS: You read the release notes and act accordingly. You can even keep the legacy sysv init if you feel like it. |
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| 21:29.51 | pharpend | heh |
| 21:29.55 | pharpend | oops, um, i have a question |
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| 21:30.07 | pharpend | I have a server running debian stable |
| 21:30.14 | collizion | petn-randall: I'm fine with it either way. |
| 21:30.19 | pharpend | and I'm trying to start bitlbee and connect to it |
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| 21:30.37 | collizion | petn-randall: And I was saying that for the benefit of others. |
| 21:30.54 | pharpend | bitlbee appears to start okay |
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| 21:31.37 | pharpend | but when I try to connect to it with weechat (running on the VPS), this happens |
| 21:31.38 | pharpend | 14:29 localhost | irc: connecting to server localhost/6667 (IPv6)... â |
| 21:31.41 | pharpend | 14:29 localhost =!= | irc: address "localhost" not found â |
| 21:32.16 | Dagger | try "ip6-localhost" maybe |
| 21:32.22 | Dagger | or 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:32.39 | petn-randall | collizion: I must say that there is a lot of FUD being spread about systemd. 90% of the stuff that's rumoured about it just isn't true. This really hinders having sensible discussions about it. Most people in #debian-next have been running systemd for half a year now without hiccups. |
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| 21:33.26 | collizion | petn-randall: Preaching to the choir. I've been working with systemd for a while without any issues at all. I'm fine with it. |
| 21:33.35 | Dagger | petn-randall: like that bit about it being a replacement init system |
| 21:34.24 | Dagger | when it's actually gunning to replace things like network init and the package manager and... as well |
| 21:34.38 | collizion | petn-randall: You were saying something about FUD? :P |
| 21:34.58 | ROG3R | Can I disable the wifi led in debian? |
| 21:35.06 | petn-randall | collizion: Yeah, for example in this very channel somebody is claiming it replaces the package manager ... |
| 21:35.09 | petn-randall | sighs. |
| 21:35.17 | jaggzt | ahh.. other windows of mine also have broken (not drawing properly) menus.. |
| 21:35.17 | collizion | petn-randall: Exactly. |
| 21:35.24 | collizion | petn-randall: I shall name it... systemdpkg! |
| 21:35.48 | jaggzt | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/26/plasma-desktopxZ9517.png |
| 21:36.06 | petn-randall | As a sysadmin, I'm actually quite happy about some features that will come with the systemd suite. |
| 21:36.16 | collizion | nods. |
| 21:36.30 | greycat | I'll probably be content with it once I understand it. |
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| 21:37.59 | petn-randall | greycat: As a sysadmin/devops you constantly have to learn about new technology to keep up with the pace. systemd is just like docker/vagrant/libvirt/etc new stuff that you'll have to learn for your everyday job. |
| 21:38.02 | Dagger | petn-randall: talking about me there? I didn't mean to claim that it already does that |
| 21:38.12 | Dagger | it just handles init, login, udev, tmpfs mounts, LCD backlighting, wifi power state, encryption, the block manager, virtual machines/containers, `hostname`, locales, time, the random number generator, the console, DNS stuff and network interfaces at the moment |
| 21:38.22 | Dagger | but they're planning on working on that |
| 21:38.24 | pharpend | Dagger: thank you, now it connects |
| 21:38.26 | petn-randall | Dagger: So you were actively spreading FUD? |
| 21:38.33 | greycat | petn-randall: I'm supposed to learn docker, vagrant and libvert?? :-/ |
| 21:38.56 | collizion | petn-randall: sounds guilty to me. |
| 21:39.11 | Dagger | petn-randall: I was reading and summarizing this PDF: http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf |
| 21:39.17 | Dagger | so if it's FUD then it's their own FUD |
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| 21:39.36 | petn-randall | greycat: My job needs that, yours maybe not. Things like puppet/chef/ansible are also new things that pop but help your everyday work a lot. |
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| 21:40.29 | petn-randall | Dagger: On which page do they claim working on being a package manager? |
| 21:40.35 | dob1 | hi, should i use /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin as shell to prevent a user to login ? |
| 21:41.23 | greycat | dob1: it's kinda irrelevant. What really matters is the lack of a valid password hash. |
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| 21:41.48 | greycat | The only time you'd want a valid password hash but an invalid shell is for "FTP only" users, if for some reason you are running an ftpd. |
| 21:41.50 | Dagger | petn-randall: starting from page 77 |
| 21:42.25 | collizion | petn-randall: It doesn't mention packages ever. |
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| 21:42.41 | Dagger | petn-randall: also see http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html |
| 21:42.42 | collizion | dob1: /usr/sbin/nologin allows you to respond with a message before kicking them out. /bin/false does not. |
| 21:43.10 | dob1 | collizion, but i need to add /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin to /etc/shell ? |
| 21:43.15 | greycat | dob1: NO. |
| 21:43.26 | Miesco | How do I configure my ESP for /dev/sda while I am booted from legacy mode on /dev/sdc? |
| 21:43.26 | greycat | Putting them in /etc/shells would defeat the whole purpose. |
| 21:43.45 | dob1 | greycat, i don't know how to do this, i setup passwd -l, but how to make the password hash invalid ? |
| 21:43.56 | greycat | (unless, as I said, you're running an ftpd and want to make "FTP only" users, and your ftpd requires a shell in /etc/shells) |
| 21:44.00 | collizion | greycat: it wouldn't matter if you add it to /etc/shells, you still can't log in with them. |
| 21:44.10 | greycat | dob1: why are you running passwd if you are trying to make a non-login user? |
| 21:44.20 | greycat | dob1: back up, start over. What are you trying to do? |
| 21:44.36 | petn-randall | Dagger: Eh, that has *nothing* to do with package managers. |
| 21:45.06 | dob1 | greycat, this was a valid user, but now i don't want him to login but i don't want to delete it because some programs runs using his credentials |
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| 21:45.40 | greycat | dob1: OK, personally what I would do is "vi /etc/shadow" and put *LOCK* in front of his password hash. That way you can manually remove the *LOCK* bit if you want to reenable him later. |
| 21:45.53 | Dagger | petn-randall: except for the part where it's all about packaging and installing bits of software, you mean...? |
| 21:46.13 | greycat | dob1: assuming of course that the user is locally defined in passwd+shadow |
| 21:46.26 | chaos|2 | hello everyone i just switched to debian this is like my 3rd time everythings going smooth but i cant figure out why my user needs to enter a password to access my internal hdds any help would be appriciated |
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| 21:47.12 | zerophan | here |
| 21:47.12 | zerophan | https://github.com/BrunoLopezGarcia/L2JRole-Server-0.1/blob/master/l2jrole-datapack/tools/database_installer.sh |
| 21:47.13 | zerophan | The script does not ask me what the mysql directory |
| 21:47.27 | dob1 | greycat, why using passwd -l and /bin/false (or nologin) is not a valid solution? |
| 21:47.33 | zerophan | can i put in $var = dir of mysql ?? |
| 21:47.36 | petn-randall | Dagger: It's more about closer integration with virtualization. And being able to rewind those systems. |
| 21:47.40 | dob1 | just to understand |
| 21:47.48 | greycat | dob1: If you invalidate the password hash, the shell *won't matter* because it'll never be executed. |
| 21:48.31 | dob1 | greycat, i see |
| 21:48.32 | greycat | dob1: also, if there are existing services that use his account (e.g. su fred -c 'start oracle') then they may USE his shell definition, and you don't want to break that. |
| 21:48.56 | greycat | That said, I don't know what "passwd -l" does. I would have to look it up. |
| 21:49.22 | Dagger | petn-randall: which is all pretty cool, but is so very much outside the boundary of init(1) that I think that calling systemd an init system is, well, FUD |
| 21:49.37 | Dagger | petn-randall: (although init is certainly one of the very, very many things it's aiming to replace) |
| 21:49.41 | greycat | ... ah, passwd -l is an automated version of what I do manually (putting a string in front of the password hash to make it not work) |
| 21:50.17 | collizion | Dagger: Far less FUD-y than a lot of the crap being spewed about it. |
| 21:50.35 | greycat | So, if I understand this man page, "passwd -l" should work and that should be all you need to doi. |
| 21:50.57 | dob1 | greycat, i see, thanks |
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| 21:51.29 | petn-randall | Dagger: systemd is not a *single* binary. It's a set of dozens of tools that are collectively known as systemd. If people want to work on that, cool. It makes sense to have some kind of interface towards init. |
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| 21:51.58 | petn-randall | anyways, gotta go, ttyl. |
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| 21:52.37 | collizion | Likewise, I'm going to go enjoy my weekend. |
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| 21:52.44 | Dagger | collizion: petn-randall: I guess "FUD" was the wrong term there... it's massively omitting a huge chunk of what you get when you decide to go with systemd, and if you made the decision to go with it on its merits as an init system (because you think it's an init system) then you're really not making an informed decision |
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| 21:55.42 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/systemd/filelist |
| 21:56.22 | greycat | Looks like 12 programs in /bin and 14 more in /usr/bin |
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| 22:02.08 | jaggzt | how do we secure wheezy against the Poodle SSL 3.0 bug?? |
| 22:02.34 | dvs | jaggzt: Get the latest security fixes. |
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| 22:03.42 | jaggzt | it says it's still vulnerable https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-3566 |
| 22:04.30 | jaggzt | only jessie has it fixed |
| 22:04.33 | greycat | Then you wait for security updates on those packages, or stop using them. |
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| 22:09.53 | Miesco | So apparently I grub-install /dev/sda would create a debian directory on the ESP? |
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| 22:17.28 | Miesco | please help |
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| 22:20.10 | jaggzt | greycat, examining dependencies |
| 22:20.13 | jaggzt | greycat, thanks |
| 22:20.22 | jaggzt | dvs too.. at risk of spamming channel |
| 22:20.50 | dvs | np |
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| 22:26.10 | Miesco | Okay I messed around with the files in /boot/efi, gunna restart and see if I can boot |
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| 22:47.09 | Miesco | Okay well I am successfully booted, but with UEFI Legacy Mode :( |
| 22:47.16 | Miesco | Should I just say f it? |
| 22:47.44 | Miesco | actually, I think all I had to do was update-grub now that I think about it |
| 22:47.57 | Miesco | because I dd'd the paritions on to this hard drive |
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| 22:54.06 | astr | are sata multiplies supported? if so which ones/ |
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| 22:54.08 | astr | ? |
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| 22:56.13 | astr | sata multipliers |
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| 23:02.33 | Miesco | Okay, EFI works perfectly! |
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| 23:05.04 | _2_chop1234 | hi |
| 23:05.19 | _2_chop1234 | :D;);) |
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| 23:06.58 | bibi234 | anyone knows what's the difference between unix and pam authentication? |
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| 23:17.38 | ak102 | how can I DOWNGRADE Xserver_core? |
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| 23:18.24 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 23:18.24 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:19.04 | ak102 | Why was did synaptic recommend downgrading fglrx then? |
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| 23:21.59 | acz32 | you can downgrade following those instructions. uninstall the version you have and install the older one |
| 23:22.02 | ak102 | I can't find the old version in .deb format only sources |
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| 23:23.17 | acz32 | is it xserver-xorg-core |
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| 23:23.28 | ak102 | yes i am looking for version 2:1.16.1.901-1 |
| 23:23.43 | ak102 | because version 1.16.2 broke my graphics driver |
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| 23:24.35 | acz32 | why do you want that version? |
| 23:24.40 | acz32 | squeeze has 2:1.7.7-18 |
| 23:25.22 | ak102 | because I am on testing and that was the latest version that worked |
| 23:25.24 | mtn | acz32: ak102 appears to be using jessie, if I am not mistaken |
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| 23:25.38 | acz32 | 2:1.12.4-6 in wheezy. so he must be |
| 23:26.18 | acz32 | does the version in stable work? |
| 23:26.22 | mtn | ak102: which video driver? |
| 23:26.39 | ak102 | fglrx 14.12 |
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| 23:26.55 | mtn | ak102: did you reinstall it? or is it not from the debian repos? |
| 23:27.19 | ak102 | it is in experimental and yes I tried reinstalling it |
| 23:27.40 | mtn | ak102: well, maybe you shouldn't be using something called "experimental"? |
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| 23:28.05 | ak102 | well first it wasn't in the repos I had the one from the ATI official package |
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| 23:28.12 | mtn | ak102: how does it work with the jessie driver? |
| 23:28.17 | ak102 | first I didn't have the one from repos* |
| 23:29.36 | ak102 | it probably doesn't work at all |
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| 23:29.47 | mtn | ak102: "probably"? |
| 23:30.56 | ak102 | Xorg/Xserver 7.4 and above (up to 1.15) |
| 23:30.56 | ak102 | Linux kernel 2.6 or above (up to 3.15) |
| 23:31.03 | mtn | ak102: did you look for the older one in your apt cache? |
| 23:31.22 | ak102 | << Xserver = 1.16.2, Kernel = 3.16 |
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| 23:32.04 | ak102 | how do i do that apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core? |
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| 23:32.36 | mtn | ak102: are you asking how to find it in your cache? if so, /var/cache/apt |
| 23:33.10 | mtn | ak102: if you are going to mess with experimental and testing, you are expected to know how to find these sort of thngs. |
| 23:33.50 | ak102 | Of course |
| 23:33.59 | mtn | ak102: ok. good luck. |
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