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| 00:07.11 | chendry | hy all! So I think I've tried everything to get the Debian installer to load the broadcom firmware from a USB drive in order that the install may continue over wifi but no-go. Can anybody point me in the general direction of the installer program/scripts so that I may take a look and see what may be going wrong? |
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| 00:08.10 | simp | chendry, is there no possible way to connect a cable up and deal with the wifi later? |
| 00:08.22 | simp | atleast that's what i usually do |
| 00:08.58 | chendry | simp: well, it's a macbook retina, so I could technically if I bought one of those ethernet adapter things, but I'm more interested in figuring out why it's not working than to actually get debian installed :) |
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| 00:10.08 | simp | ok :) |
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| 00:27.09 | ProfOak_ | If I want to upgrade from stable to testing, would I be safe just changing my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to jessie? I've never done an upgrade like this before |
| 00:27.33 | ProfOak_ | (and update/upgrading) |
| 00:27.49 | minnesotags | ProfOak_: It depends.... |
| 00:28.27 | ProfOak_ | I don't really want to do a fresh install, but will there be any unfixable things that could happen if I just upgrade like that? |
| 00:30.30 | minnesotags | But generally, the syntax is apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:30.58 | minnesotags | There definitely could be unfixable things that could happen. |
| 00:31.43 | minnesotags | Not trying to be sarcastic, just telling the truth. It could go smoothly, it could not.... |
| 00:32.00 | ProfOak_ | Well as a wise search engine once told me, I'm feelin lucky |
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| 00:34.06 | ProfOak_ | Before I go through with it, can you double check my file? |
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| 00:35.24 | minnesotags | I'm at the end of my tether. I have one server which when trying to start apache2 and after recent security upgrades gives me the following error: Syntax error on line 9 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/svn: Invalid command 'DavGenericLockDB'. I have other svn servers and they do not show this problem. They have the same mods enabled (apache2 -l), they have the same svn config file. |
| 00:35.46 | minnesotags | ProfOak_: double check your file? |
| 00:36.34 | ProfOak_ | minnesotags: http://pastebin.com/vk9sZvuR |
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| 00:57.18 | ra_ | hi, I made a dist-upgrade and libreoffice-writer was removed. I cannot reinstall because of missing dependency. What can I do? I am using wheezy-backports. |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | ra_: pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:59.42 | ra_ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/138323/ |
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| 01:03.32 | ra_ | abrotman: in my preferences, wheezy-backports has higher priority than wheezy |
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| 01:07.09 | abrotman | ra_: I'm not touching that .. we don't support Mint systems |
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| 01:08.37 | ra_ | abrotman: it is not a mint system, pure debian |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | The Mint repo is just for kicks? |
| 01:09.33 | ra_ | abrotman: I transfered from an other system the sources.list, but commented out all mint references |
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| 01:11.26 | abrotman | Undo your pinning, try again |
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| 01:12.12 | markerz32 | hey guys what is the command to update python please? im trying to get the newest version in kali linux |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | markerz32: ask #kali-linux |
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| 01:15.24 | ra_ | abrotman: no change. http://paste.debian.net/138326/ |
| 01:16.33 | abrotman | ra_: please include the command you're using |
| 01:17.32 | ra_ | abrotman: the first one was: apt-get install libreoffice, the second one: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports libreoffice |
| 01:17.40 | ra_ | abrotman: the second result: http://paste.debian.net/138327/ |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | ra_: try aptitude |
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| 01:20.08 | ra_ | abrotman: I will try. The main problem is probably this with the command apt-get install -t wheezy-backports libreoffice-writer |
| 01:20.15 | ra_ | abrotman: the output is: http://paste.debian.net/138328/ |
| 01:20.39 | ra_ | abrotman: an unsatisfied libc6 dependency |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | again, please include the command |
| 01:21.20 | abrotman | ra_: what was the link for your sources.list again? |
| 01:21.27 | abrotman | nm, got it |
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| 01:22.07 | abrotman | ra_: apt-cache policy libreoffice-writer |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | command, and full output |
| 01:22.15 | ra_ | abrotman: how to pipe the command too to pastebinit? |
| 01:22.47 | ra_ | abrotman: it is always omitted |
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| 01:24.42 | ra_ | abrotman: apt-cache policy libreoffice-writer ---> http://paste.debian.net/138329/ |
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| 01:25.21 | abrotman | can you pastebin just "apt-cache policy" ? |
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| 01:26.00 | ra_ | abrotman: apt-cache policy ---> http://paste.debian.net/138330/ |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | after you undid your preferences, did you apt-get update again ? |
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| 01:30.19 | abrotman | ra_: ? |
| 01:30.57 | ra_ | abrotman: yes, I deleted the mint reference |
| 01:31.18 | ra_ | abrotman: and then, I apt-get update |
| 01:31.24 | ra_ | abrotman: again |
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| 01:33.00 | abrotman | seems like the pinning is still in effect |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | ra_: let's try this |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ra_ about wheezy sources.list |
| 01:33.21 | abrotman | let's start there |
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| 01:33.34 | abrotman | but it seems like you've been mixing versions of Debian |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | ra_: what is 'dpkg -l libc6' ? |
| 01:34.52 | ra_ | abrotman: I have an amd64 sytem with multiarch, the output of dpkg -l libc6 is: http://paste.debian.net/138331/ |
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| 01:35.26 | abrotman | okay, put in the sources the bot gave you; aptitude update;aptitude install libreoffice-writer |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | Rename your current sources.list |
| 01:36.21 | ra_ | abrotman: rename to what? to anything in order to my system cannot see it? |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.yuck |
| 01:37.05 | abrotman | editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | put in the stuff hte bot gave you in msg |
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| 01:41.17 | ra_ | abrotman: after mv sources.list, I got: "Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. |
| 01:41.18 | ra_ | " |
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| 01:42.53 | minnesotags | ra_: Could you post the contents of your new sources.list? |
| 01:42.57 | ra_ | abrotman: after reverting sources.list to original, aptitude propose to keep the not installed status of the libreoffice-writer package |
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| 01:44.07 | ra_ | abrotman: and now, I did not accept the first solution and it proposes to revert back to 3.5.4. I am trying. |
| 01:44.21 | minnesotags | ra_: I'm unclear what you want to do. Do you want to upgrade wheezy to jessie? |
| 01:45.37 | ra_ | minnesotags: http://paste.debian.net/138333/ |
| 01:46.36 | ra_ | minnesotags: I am also unclear. I would like to have a libreoffice 4.3 I had before, but it seems impossible. |
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| 01:46.58 | ra_ | minnesotags: libreoffice 4.3 is provided by wheezy-backports |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | ra_: let's get it back to something sane first |
| 01:47.28 | minnesotags | ra: Your sources.list is a mess. Do what abrotman suggested. Rename your sources.list to sources.list.garbage and create a new, brand new sources.list file. |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | yeah, we're past that already |
| 01:48.44 | minnesotags | ra_: But what caused this mess in the first place? Are you on wheezy? |
| 01:49.17 | minnesotags | ra_: This is a yes or no. |
| 01:49.21 | ra_ | minnesotags: I started with wheezy and I also used some package from wheezy-backports |
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| 01:49.52 | minnesotags | ra_: is your Debian vesion wheezy now, or is it jessie? one or the other. |
| 01:50.02 | abrotman | minnesotags: he's on wheezy, with backports |
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| 01:50.07 | abrotman | (so he says) |
| 01:50.15 | ra_ | minnesotags: it is wheezy, with wheezy-backports in priority |
| 01:50.25 | minnesotags | Ok. Very good. |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | ra_: which, you really shouldn't do by the way |
| 01:50.41 | minnesotags | what abrotman said. |
| 01:50.53 | minnesotags | Not "very good", but it is good to get a clear answer. |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | moving along ... |
| 01:51.19 | ra_ | minnesotags: wheezy-backports is not recommended? |
| 01:51.25 | abrotman | that's not what we said |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | ra_: can you pastebin your sources.list now |
| 01:51.30 | minnesotags | ra_: so your Debian is wheezy and you have wheezy-backports in your sources.list. |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:51.44 | minnesotags | Is that correct? |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | ... |
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| 01:52.07 | ra_ | minnesotags: yes, I have wheezy and wheezy-backports in my sources.list |
| 01:52.44 | minnesotags | ra_: and your sources.list is still the one you just posted above? http://paste.debian.net/138333/ |
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| 01:53.00 | abrotman | minnesotags: please read the backscroll instead of trying to jump in the middle |
| 01:53.05 | ra_ | minnesotags: yes, it is |
| 01:53.26 | minnesotags | abrotman: Sorry, I did read all the backscroll, but he made no sense. |
| 01:53.54 | minnesotags | ra_: then delete that sources.list or rename it or whatever. Get rid of it. |
| 01:54.00 | ra_ | minnesotags, abrotman: I succeeded to revert back to wheezy version (3.5.4) the libreoffice-writer package |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | fuck it .. i'm not going ot keep trying to talk over minnesotags .. good luck |
| 01:54.30 | minnesotags | Sorry abrotman. I'm sorry. |
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| 01:56.07 | ra_ | abrotman: thanks for your help, I got a working version of libreoffice |
| 01:56.12 | minnesotags | Long term solution for your ra_ is to go back and do what abrotman said initially. Get rid of prioritizing wheezy-backports. If you want to do that, just upgrade to Jessie. |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | minnesotags: Jessie was never meentioned .. stop bringing it up |
| 01:57.54 | ra_ | minnesotags: so it is better to prioritize wheezy and only install wheezy-backports if really necessary? |
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| 01:58.28 | abrotman | ra_: don't mess with those priorities, use -t when you want something from wheezy-backports |
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| 01:59.41 | ra_ | abrotman: ok, thanks for your hint. I would like to go to jessy, but there are always a lot of changes on it. |
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| 02:02.58 | ra_ | abrotman: one more question: is it ok to have no more sources.list file? |
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| 02:03.25 | ra_ | abrotman: after renaming it... |
| 02:03.44 | abrotman | what? |
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| 02:03.48 | abrotman | you need a sources.list |
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| 02:04.21 | ra_ | abrotman: so I can rename it again? |
| 02:04.32 | ra_ | abrotman from sources.list.yuck |
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| 02:05.26 | abrotman | you want to restore your old one? |
| 02:05.32 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:06.07 | ra_ | abrotman: no new sources.list was created, so... |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 02:06.50 | minnesotags | ra_: abrotman said to create a new sources.list as per the message sent to you via bot. |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | I told you to create one 30 minutes ago? |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ra_ about wheezy sources.list |
| 02:07.58 | ra_ | abrotman: sorry, I did not realized the bot message, I can see it now, sorry |
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| 02:12.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ra_ about wheezy backports |
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| 02:15.23 | ra_ | abrotman: thanks for your help |
| 02:15.50 | ra_ | minnesotags: thank you, too, for your help |
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| 02:17.13 | minnesotags | ra_: You really need to just get rid of that old sources.list and have a fresh sources.list file as abrotman said, or you will have more problems in the future. |
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| 02:18.07 | twinkie | nice evning |
| 02:18.42 | ra_ | minnesotags: I did it |
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| 02:21.00 | minnesotags | The reason why I thought you might be on Jessie was you mentioned "dist-upgrade". |
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| 02:22.22 | twinkie | brb |
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| 02:27.14 | Hanumaan | I need an urgent help .. with a strange situation of grub .. already had Debian 6 installed in one of the partion and when I install new debian 7 in another partion now grub is not working .. not sure how to install grub and where? |
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| 02:27.28 | ilhami | do you have a live cd? |
| 02:27.31 | ilhami | usb |
| 02:27.32 | ilhami | anything |
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| 02:29.17 | Hanumaan | yes tried with live CD and the network card require some F/W and which is in another USB .. and live cd is recognising USB as first Drive and the internal Drive is second(/dev/sdb) |
| 02:29.49 | ilhami | did you try to repair grub? |
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| 02:30.35 | Hanumaan | yes .. but actuall not sure how to repair for me question is where should be the bootable flag set and where should I install grub ? I want to have both OS old and new .. |
| 02:31.49 | ilhami | on the sda |
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| 02:33.14 | Hanumaan | and where should be the bootable flag? .. but for me USB would be sda .. later when I remove the USB out of the computer then sdb(internal HDD) will become sda |
| 02:34.03 | ilhami | ask an expert. I dont want to ruin your hard disk. :-D |
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| 02:34.52 | Hanumaan | would be great if some expert replies on this .. it is a production server and it is a bit urgent .. |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | grub isn't working during the install? |
| 02:36.02 | minnesotags | look in the fstab for uuid? |
| 02:36.20 | minnesotags | I'm out.... |
| 02:36.25 | phy1729 | perhaps #grub |
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| 03:12.04 | SianaGearz | helloes. is there a way i can determine, in an automatic way, which of the files belonging to any of the installed packages i have edited manually? |
| 03:12.13 | afsal | there is no complete symbols in character map for Arabic language. How to i complete that? |
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| 03:17.43 | SianaGearz | cliffer: is this the actual command you entered? because your -name parameters are not escaped. not sure whether that's the actual cause of the issue, but it will certainly break things. |
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| 03:17.58 | afsal | there is no complete symbols in character map for Arabic language. How to i complete that? there is only square symbols. |
| 03:18.18 | SianaGearz | like *.gz and *log becoming empty arguments and command line becoming invalid. |
| 03:18.45 | cliffer | SianaGearz: it works with quotes. thx. without multiple paths, it worked before like this |
| 03:18.51 | cliffer | without qutoes |
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| 04:37.49 | mortal1 | howdy folks, so I just had xorg sort of go blank on me |
| 04:38.02 | mortal1 | I'm trying to find the relevant logs so i can file a bug report |
| 04:38.24 | mortal1 | /var/logs/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 04:53.20 | the8thbit | I get E: Package 'gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg' has no installation candidate |
| 04:53.26 | the8thbit | I get the same thing for gnash |
| 04:53.30 | the8thbit | and related packages |
| 04:53.32 | the8thbit | what do? |
| 04:53.38 | the8thbit | I'm running jessie |
| 04:53.45 | the8thbit | beta 2 |
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| 04:57.21 | the8thbit | Also, how would I make my touchscreen middle click instead of left click |
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| 06:43.43 | ROG3R | I want to assign another key for "Enter" |
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| 06:44.11 | ROG3R | what is the command for Enter ? |
| 06:44.30 | Lady_Aleena | Why would you want to use another key for <Enter>? |
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| 06:45.02 | ROG3R | Lady_Aleena: additional |
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| 06:48.07 | Lady_Aleena | Oh, that's different. I think you can try xbindkeys. |
| 06:50.06 | Lady_Aleena | I may be wrong, so check it out first to see if it does what you want. |
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| 06:51.40 | ROG3R | what is the command for "Enter" |
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| 07:21.33 | crunchbanghelp | after installing google earth and some of its dependencies. My hexchat program and also google earth sometimes doesnt open |
| 07:21.42 | crunchbanghelp | how do i undo this |
| 07:22.20 | crunchbanghelp | i think the dependencies it made is the culprit. as i dont experience that before |
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| 07:25.37 | Dewi | I want to do some conditional DNS forwarding... is BIND named the best choice? |
| 07:26.07 | Dewi | is it pretty secure these days? |
| 07:26.16 | Dewi | I remember in the old days people were very wary of it |
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| 07:28.11 | phy1729 | Dewi: unbound and nsd are becoming more popular |
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| 07:31.55 | Dewi | unbound looks promising, thanks phy1729 |
| 07:32.29 | jerrcs | i like unbound |
| 07:32.37 | jerrcs | it has some limitations though. |
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| 08:11.12 | yuri_ | hi, I have problems trying to change gnome-terminal tab's title from within ssh session on debian 8 machine http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/176186/cant-change-gnome-terminal-tabs-title-from-within-ssh-session-on-remote-debian |
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| 08:12.01 | yuri_ | have anyone got any clue? |
| 08:12.06 | taylor_ | http://concordesolutions.net finally a real fucking hosting provider |
| 08:12.06 | yuri_ | or where to look at? |
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| 08:35.55 | amriunix | hi !! how can i setup the default network interface for linux !!! for example : i have wlan0, eth0 and ppp0 . currently ppp0 is the default interface . so how can i set eth0 as a default interfarce without close ppp0 ???? |
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| 08:37.26 | mafKB | why you explicitly want to set it up as default one? |
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| 08:38.36 | osram | amriunix: explain `default'. |
| 08:38.48 | amriunix | mafKB: i want to keep ppp0 so incomming connection will keep working while i'm using eth0 as a default network interface for browsing !! |
| 08:40.03 | amriunix | osram: i'm mean the default network interface . when all you're programs use it to connect to the internet |
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| 08:43.14 | Hanumaan | does boot-repair work in debian system? |
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| 08:45.10 | llama052 | anyone awake at this hour? |
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| 08:46.14 | osram | is awake - but not necessarily coherent |
| 08:46.43 | llama052 | Yeah.. ditto |
| 08:46.53 | llama052 | I really wanna make a hardware ips/ids off of open source |
| 08:47.04 | llama052 | I need a good "hobby" project |
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| 08:48.07 | osram | llama052: when you say `hardware' you mean? |
| 08:48.21 | osram | linux running some O/S software? |
| 08:48.25 | llama052 | physical ips/ids device |
| 08:48.33 | llama052 | like an appliance |
| 08:48.55 | osram | llama052: What software did you have in mind? |
| 08:49.19 | llama052 | snort, HAVP, IP-blocklists, hell maybe even squid, and some custom stuff |
| 08:49.36 | llama052 | I'm sure there are more altnernatives |
| 08:49.37 | osram | llama052: check out suricata (http://suricata-ids.org/) |
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| 08:49.50 | llama052 | oooo |
| 08:49.51 | osram | br |
| 08:49.52 | osram | brb |
| 08:50.18 | llama052 | json output ;D |
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| 08:58.43 | Linnak | Hi, I cant update my system. I have this message: E: http://ftp.de.debian.org wheezy/contrib Sources is not (yet) available (406 Not Acceptable) |
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| 09:00.15 | jacobath | Maybe uncheck contrib from repos? |
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| 09:00.38 | Linnak | I thought I need that |
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| 09:00.47 | Linnak | maybe from another country? |
| 09:00.52 | jacobath | I'm not sure either |
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| 09:01.39 | jacobath | try another server yeah |
| 09:01.46 | jacobath | maybe this one is down |
| 09:02.08 | llama052 | anyone seen this yet? https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan |
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| 09:15.03 | osram | llama052: sure, although I'm not certain of its usefulness irl |
| 09:15.24 | llama052 | yeah, looks pretty new |
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| 09:18.59 | osram | llama052: It is. Initial commit was done late July this year. |
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| 09:20.56 | llama052 | wish I had the time/motivation to make something like this... so interesting |
| 09:21.22 | ribasushi | given a random .deb with some dependencies, is there a canonical way to do a hands free equivalent of `dpkg -i <random.deb>; note what's missing; install via apt-get; rerun dpkg -i <random.deb>` |
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| 09:23.30 | osram | ribasushi: dpkg -i <random.deb>; apt-get install -f |
| 09:23.40 | osram | Unless I misunderstand your question. |
| 09:24.11 | ribasushi | is there one command for this, that will not throw off $? checks |
| 09:24.32 | ribasushi | basically I was asking if there is something more integrated |
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| 09:26.12 | osram | ribasushi: not that I'm aware of. |
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| 09:26.35 | ribasushi | osram: aight, thanks |
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| 09:27.12 | osram | In a script, I'd tread a non-zero dpkg -i exit code as a notification to run apt-get install -f. That should then return 0 - unless it's not able to resolve all dependencies. |
| 09:27.23 | osram | *treat |
| 09:29.40 | ArtVandalae | ribasushi, you can use the tool 'gdebi'. That'll do what you're asking (if I'm understanding you correctly) |
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| 09:30.27 | ArtVandalae | From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian - "GDebi can install a local .deb file via the command line alike the dpkg command, but with access to repositories to resolve dependencies." |
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| 09:33.35 | osram | Which is what `apt-get install -f' does. It will pull in the packages required to complete the install of the dpkg -i installed package. |
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| 09:34.29 | ArtVandalae | cool, was not aware of that |
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| 09:35.20 | osram | Heh. It is cool. The deb packaging system is awesome. |
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| 09:40.47 | janolap1 | Hi, I would like some help on "unformatting" a primary partition on my boot disk. |
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| 09:42.51 | janolap1 | I have 2 disks on my system. The first one /dev/sda is for dual boot (xp/ubuntu) with 2 patitions /dev/sda1 (bootable with grub separed in /dev/sda3 NTFS for xp and /dev/sda4 NTFS too for datas) and /dev/sda2 (extended for ubuntu and currently working on it). This morning, I wanted to format in Fat32 /dev/sdb1 and unfortunatly I have formatted /dev/sda1 in Fat32. I didn't reboot as I think I... |
| 09:42.52 | janolap1 | ...loose grub. What can I do ? |
| 09:42.52 | CrypticThought | janolap1: Error: "..loose" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:43.26 | janolap1 | I think I loose grub, What can I do ? |
| 09:44.14 | ArtVandalae | CrypticThought, English might not be janolap1's first language. Try and be helpful |
| 09:44.14 | CrypticThought | ArtVandalae: Error: "English" is not a valid command. |
| 09:45.14 | janolap1 | CryticThought : Not english :-) |
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| 09:45.50 | ArtVandalae | janolap1, so /dev/sda1 is your /boot partition? |
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| 09:46.53 | janolap1 | ArtVandalae : I think, because, XP was my previous OS, but I switch long time ago installing ubuntu in dual boot. How can I be sure ? |
| 09:47.36 | janolap1 | (I'm trying to analyse the /dev/sda with testdisk) |
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| 09:49.29 | ArtVandalae | how big is /dev/sda1? If it's ~100MB, it's probably the /boot partition |
| 09:50.41 | janolap1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:51.05 | ArtVandalae | that's okay. What size is the reformatted partition? |
| 09:51.32 | janolap1 | there is just : /dev/sda2, /dev/sda5, /dev/sda6 |
| 09:51.46 | janolap1 | The formatted partition is 41.63 Go |
| 09:51.49 | ArtVandalae | while we won't be able to 'restore' the partition. I *think* /boot can be regenerated from the configuration files in /etc/grub and so on |
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| 09:52.21 | ArtVandalae | oh, I see... I'm rereading what you wrote |
| 09:52.41 | ArtVandalae | so /dev/sda1 was an extended partition? |
| 09:52.48 | janolap1 | Yes |
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| 09:53.07 | ArtVandalae | alright. whatever you do, don't write anything to it |
| 09:53.14 | janolap1 | previously formatted in NTFS |
| 09:53.17 | janolap1 | ok |
| 09:54.11 | ArtVandalae | how much free space do you have in the other partitions? If you have enough (i.e. 41.63GB free), then I would backup using 'dd' the /dev/sda1 contents to a file |
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| 09:54.41 | janolap1 | 200 Go on an external usb drive |
| 09:55.09 | janolap1 | It should be enough :-) |
| 09:55.15 | ArtVandalae | e.g. dd if=/dev/sda1 of=backup_of_sda1.img -- just make sure the partition you're saving to (i.e. your external USB drive) can support large files (i.e. it's not FAT32) |
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| 09:55.50 | janolap1 | Too bad, It's Fat32... |
| 09:55.59 | ArtVandalae | :( |
| 09:56.12 | ArtVandalae | what, if any, testimage commands have you tried? |
| 09:56.42 | janolap1 | I haven't try any testimage commands. |
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| 09:56.56 | janolap1 | (what is this ?) |
| 09:57.05 | ArtVandalae | okay. If I were you, I'd backup /dev/sda1 first, before doing anything else. Whether you choose to do so, is up to you |
| 09:57.20 | ArtVandalae | sorry, not testimage, I meant testdisk |
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| 09:57.40 | ArtVandalae | this: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk 'TestDisk can find lost partitions for all of these file systems' |
| 09:57.49 | ArtVandalae | Instructions: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step |
| 09:57.57 | janolap1 | just quick analyse. |
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| 09:58.04 | janolap1 | and deep analyse. |
| 09:58.22 | janolap1 | It found me on /dev/sda some old partitions... |
| 09:58.33 | janolap1 | but I really don't know what to do... |
| 09:58.53 | ArtVandalae | when you 'formatted' the partition /dev/sda1, did you format it using 'Full format' (or similar option), that takes a very long time? |
| 09:59.41 | janolap1 | not, 1 second via GParted... actual analyse of testdisk : http://pastebin.com/tbq4BeuA |
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| 10:03.21 | janolap1 | ArtVandalae : just 1 second to format, I think the partition table was just rewrited. Datas should be there ! |
| 10:03.47 | ArtVandalae | was one partition 30GB (windows?) and the other 46GB (data?) |
| 10:05.12 | ArtVandalae | no... |
| 10:05.20 | janolap1 | no, I think it should be 46 GB for windows and datas... |
| 10:06.00 | janolap1 | line 8 in pastebin contains windows datas |
| 10:06.06 | ArtVandalae | HPFS - NTFS 1 1 1 3823 254 63 61416432 ----> this partition is: ~30GB |
| 10:06.48 | ArtVandalae | if I'm reading the output correctly, line 8 is: 76GB?? |
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| 10:08.14 | janolap1 | (I don't know the disk is 76GB in total, including the linux install on /dev/sda2). |
| 10:08.28 | ArtVandalae | hm. okay. Which version of testdisk are you using? |
| 10:08.42 | janolap1 | But know, with testdisk, I can see and backup (one by one) files... |
| 10:08.52 | janolap1 | testdisk 6.14 |
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| 10:09.23 | janolap1 | It should be enough as far I don't want to keep windows... |
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| 10:11.27 | janolap1 | then I'll resinstall grub... |
| 10:11.40 | janolap1 | ArtVandalae : Thank you for your help ! |
| 10:11.46 | ArtVandalae | good luck |
| 10:12.08 | janolap1 | thank you ! |
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| 10:36.31 | user1` | Hello, i bought a laptop with a n2830 plateform ( http://ark.intel.com/products/81071 ). Does someone know what i need to do/install in order to enable the 3D acceleration ? |
| 10:36.55 | user1` | This is what lspci say about the graphic chipset : |
| 10:36.57 | user1` | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display [8086:0f31] (rev 0e) |
| 10:39.04 | Kobra | i didn't think Atoms had any acceleration at all? |
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| 10:41.51 | user1` | Yes they have :) |
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| 10:53.39 | dutchfish | user1`, what driver, if any did it load? (lspci -vnn) |
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| 10:56.04 | dutchfish | user1`, it could be that you need a firmware package (aptitude search firmware), maybe it is in non-free, if you already installed the free firmware. |
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| 10:57.25 | dutchfish | user1`, also VAAPI acceleration needs compatible bios, check if you have the latest. |
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| 10:59.53 | dutchfish | user1`, if i am not mistaken, it is supported since kernel 3.16.x .5 if i am correct |
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| 11:01.06 | user1` | dutchfish: Kernel driver in use: i915 |
| 11:01.12 | dutchfish | user1`, so it probably wont work in wheezy, see kernel versions: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:03.22 | user1` | ouch |
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| 11:04.21 | user1` | Install a more recent kernel could make it work so ? |
| 11:04.25 | dutchfish | user1`, but it wont hurt to try with firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 11:04.36 | dutchfish | user1`, furthermore you could try a kernel from bpo |
| 11:04.44 | dutchfish | !bpo |
| 11:04.45 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 11:04.59 | user1` | I already have the one from bpo |
| 11:05.05 | user1` | ( 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64) |
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| 11:05.17 | dutchfish | user1`, what gives `uname -r` ? |
| 11:05.33 | dutchfish | user1`, that prolly should work |
| 11:05.35 | user1` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.59 | user1` | what mean prolly (sorry i'm not english) ? |
| 11:06.07 | jelly-home | probably* |
| 11:06.10 | dutchfish | user1`, prolly=probably |
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| 11:06.20 | dutchfish | user1`, sorry for my poor english |
| 11:06.29 | jelly-home | user1`: what does uname -a say? |
| 11:06.56 | user1` | Linux ultraportable 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:06.56 | user1` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.07 | dutchfish | user1`, you can try installing firmware-linux-nonfree (that needs a reboot btw) |
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| 11:07.59 | dutchfish | user1`, i assume you have already installed firmware-linux-free |
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| 11:09.24 | dutchfish | user1`, are you sure this is a debian stock kernel from bpo? |
| 11:09.32 | user1` | dutchfish: ok, maybe install i965-va-driver will help too ? |
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| 11:09.53 | user1` | i installed it with aptitude.... |
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| 11:10.36 | dutchfish | user1`, you can try, it supports Ivy bridge |
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| 11:11.08 | dutchfish | user1`, but you also need the corretc firmware |
| 11:11.14 | dutchfish | correct* |
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| 11:11.35 | dutchfish | user1`, it should be in one of the firmware packages |
| 11:11.57 | dutchfish | (from bpo) |
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| 11:12.40 | towo` | there is no graphics firmware for intel |
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| 11:13.06 | user1` | dutchfish: (firmware-linux-free is installed) |
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| 11:13.06 | towo` | and even if the kernel supports that chipset, it need a newer x and mesa |
| 11:13.27 | dutchfish | towo`, the ones from bpo will do |
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| 11:13.59 | towo` | there is no newer x in backports and also no newer mesa |
| 11:14.05 | dutchfish | towo`, but i also bet, he has more changes with jessie atm |
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| 11:14.15 | dutchfish | towo`, ok |
| 11:14.20 | jelly-home | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 11:14.21 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.917-1~exp1 |
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| 11:14.37 | jelly-home | so at least there's a newer 2D driver |
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| 11:15.04 | towo` | that goes not halp many |
| 11:15.14 | user1` | dutchfish: towo`: i must go now. I come back soon, try what you said and give news. |
| 11:15.20 | user1` | thx |
| 11:15.34 | dutchfish | user1`, yw, let us know the outcome |
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| 11:16.20 | jelly-home | that's good enough for classic window managers. At this point in time it might be better to go with jessie for a non-server system with new intel cards |
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| 11:33.54 | Walex | jelly-home: but there are really nice recent kernels in 'wheezy-backports' and often the kernel team backports drivers in the 3.2 version for 'stable'. Awesome people :-). |
| 11:34.55 | jelly-home | Walex: and the user has shown they already use the kernel from bpo with latest ABI |
| 11:35.48 | dutchfish | Walex, true! |
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| 11:36.00 | jelly-home | Walex: and we agreed that whatever's in wheezy-backports is just not enough for 3d. This also means not enough to run compositing managers, like debian's default Gnome |
| 11:36.06 | Walex | the main issue with the age of 'stable' is indeed the GUI-side e.g. KDE. And web frameworks, which ecolve madly |
| 11:36.24 | jelly-home | this is a driver issue. |
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| 11:36.44 | Walex | jelly-home: X-side driver, rather than kernel-side driver. |
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| 11:36.58 | jelly-home | Walex: lack of backports for xserver/mesa/dri makes it useless |
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| 11:38.04 | Walex | jelly-home: indeed my "frankendebian" solution for running Steam games is to import the X/Mesa/DRI packages from SteamOS 'alchemist' which is a lightly reworked version of 'wheezy'. But not for everybody :-) |
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| 11:40.38 | Walex | this is the "frankendebian" horror mentioned above: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140317 |
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| 11:42.24 | k-man | is there any kind of recent change to how backports works? my backports entry in sources.list is like this: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main but it gives me errors when doing and apt-get update |
| 11:44.16 | k-man | like this: http://sprunge.us/OVcd |
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| 11:45.45 | Walex | k-man: there are many mirrors of the 'wheezy-backports' archive |
| 11:46.13 | Walex | k-man: http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 11:46.43 | k-man | ok, i'll try a mirror |
| 11:46.57 | tremon | k-man: your mirror might be in the process of updating, try again in a while (also, http.debian.net already is a mirror -- a collection of mirrors) |
| 11:47.14 | k-man | tremon, no, its been like this for a while |
| 11:47.39 | k-man | yeah, and i have http.debian.net for other sources and it works fine, just the backports one has a problem |
| 11:47.54 | Walex | k-man: also note that some of the most useful backports are for IceWeasel and IceDove |
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| 11:49.41 | Walex | k-man: so you may want to add one or more of these lines too: http://paste.debian.net/138370/ |
| 11:50.27 | k-man | thanks Walex, i don't use this machine for web browsing though |
| 11:50.37 | k-man | /this/that |
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| 11:52.05 | k-man | oh, i think i worked out the problem. the instructions on backports is missing a / |
| 11:52.29 | k-man | oh scratch that |
| 11:52.35 | k-man | it still didn't work |
| 11:52.44 | k-man | but the .au mirror did |
| 11:52.48 | Walex | k-man: just use a mirror... |
| 11:52.54 | Walex | ahhh good |
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| 11:53.13 | k-man | yeah, i was just trying to understand what the problem is |
| 11:53.38 | k-man | it's not really very good that it doesn't work |
| 11:54.10 | tremon | k-man: try opening http://http.debian.net/debian in your browser, hopefully it will redirect to the same faulty mirror. Try to access the dists/wheezy-backports directory there |
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| 11:54.28 | tremon | (oh, you said that machine didn't have a browser, didn't you?) |
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| 11:54.49 | k-man | i can try lynx |
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| 11:56.03 | k-man | i am able to access it in lynx |
| 11:56.05 | k-man | from that machien |
| 11:56.44 | tremon | hmm, so that's either a different mirror or it's only a few files that are unreadable |
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| 11:57.07 | k-man | maybe - what is the file that apt-get update downloads? |
| 11:57.11 | k-man | maybe thats whats missing |
| 11:58.26 | k-man | http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/ |
| 11:59.02 | tremon | iirc it check the Release file and downloads the $suite/Contents-$arch files (diff or full) |
| 12:00.18 | tremon | I get no errors accessing any of those files |
| 12:00.31 | k-man | oh well, i don't know |
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| 12:07.20 | DrManhattan | I just partitioned and installed my system with software raid. I blanked the disks completely beforehand. Is my system supposed to kick off a resync the first time I boot? |
| 12:07.46 | Walex | DrManhattan: as soon as you activate the MD raid set. |
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| 12:09.21 | tremon | DrManhattan: actually, it is resuming the resync that it started when the set was created by the installer |
| 12:09.56 | DrManhattan | ok, so it is completely normal. Thank you |
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| 12:11.21 | tremon | mdadm does have a --assume-clean option that skip the initial sync, but unless the disks are bit-for-bit identical, this can lead to trouble later on |
| 12:12.12 | tremon | although it unlikely to be an issue when the first thing you do is re-format the new array |
| 12:12.16 | DrManhattan | im not worried about it, it's only going to be another 40 minutes. i just wanted to make sure it was normal. I don't remember seeing that whenever I've partitioned disks with software raid before, but this is the first time I looked |
| 12:12.29 | DrManhattan | the array is supposed to be formatted |
| 12:12.42 | DrManhattan | in fact, the drives on the arrays are mounted |
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| 12:14.52 | tremon | DrManhattan: yeah, I meant the installer; it knows if it is going to be formatting the array, so it should know if it's safe to skip the initial sync |
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| 12:18.30 | DrManhattan | tremon, I mean |
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| 12:23.34 | jacobath | jessie is so cute ^^ |
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| 12:47.12 | Evropi | we're probably running out of toy story characters at this point |
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| 12:47.24 | Evropi | only because debian used to make very frequent releases back in the day, that is |
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| 12:47.40 | abrotman | Eh, there are plenty left |
| 12:48.10 | Evropi | I suppose toy story 3 helped our case |
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| 12:50.31 | jacobath | I did the upgrade to sid |
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| 12:50.51 | jacobath | It's great so far |
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| 12:50.57 | jacobath | took a lot of time though |
| 12:51.05 | jacobath | many updates :) |
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| 12:51.18 | Evropi | has never actually used Debian Stable |
| 12:51.24 | Evropi | always been on testing, such cases |
| 12:51.42 | Evropi | don't have the guts to jump to unstable though |
| 12:51.45 | jacobath | haha |
| 12:51.50 | jacobath | you're awesome |
| 12:52.00 | jacobath | I guess you have a bug record or smth |
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| 12:52.37 | Evropi | not at all, with git branches now most development workflows omit bugs altogether |
| 12:52.58 | jacobath | Oh I should get myself familiar with those |
| 12:53.15 | jacobath | I tried crunchbang but meh |
| 12:53.18 | Evropi | and in general the new workflows and operations help iron out bugs before releases |
| 12:53.21 | jacobath | not to diss folks |
| 12:53.30 | Evropi | crunchbang is pretty decent |
| 12:53.33 | jacobath | but honestly y not debian |
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| 12:53.37 | Evropi | it's not easy to get a similar setup up |
| 12:53.40 | jacobath | ok openbox IS nice |
| 12:53.51 | abrotman | please keep it on-topic |
| 12:53.57 | jacobath | kk |
| 12:54.02 | jacobath | :) |
| 12:54.03 | Evropi | an openbox setup that 'just works' like crunchbang does is pretty impressive, that's all |
| 12:54.24 | Evropi | also I use i3 on my debian laptop and I know a lot of i3 users use the cb-* utilities for pretty shutdown prompts and whatnot |
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| 12:56.05 | jacobath | indeed |
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| 13:00.25 | jacobath | I have a .sh file |
| 13:00.31 | jacobath | Is there an option to run it/read it? |
| 13:00.35 | jacobath | or ask me for both |
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| 13:00.41 | GNU\colossus | open it in a text editor |
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| 13:00.53 | GNU\colossus | that's how you read it |
| 13:00.59 | jacobath | yeah :p |
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| 13:01.09 | GNU\colossus | `bash yourfile.sh` to execute it |
| 13:01.12 | jacobath | I want to click > run |
| 13:01.14 | jacobath | yeap |
| 13:01.16 | GNU\colossus | (it's better to review its contents first) |
| 13:01.23 | jacobath | should I make a script with the instructions |
| 13:01.27 | jacobath | to run+click? |
| 13:01.32 | jacobath | yeah |
| 13:01.37 | jacobath | thanks |
| 13:01.45 | jacobath | If only I knew my bash |
| 13:01.56 | GNU\colossus | jacobath, I recommend you write a short .desktop file to have that click+run-stuff you want |
| 13:02.20 | GNU\colossus | like so: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/apa.html |
| 13:02.27 | jacobath | let me see |
| 13:02.28 | GNU\colossus | sorry, have to leave this instant |
| 13:02.32 | jacobath | ok! |
| 13:02.37 | jacobath | bb |
| 13:02.54 | jacobath | thanks for the example |
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| 13:08.30 | user1` | dutchfish: towo`: I install or upgrade to bpo those packages : |
| 13:08.32 | user1` | firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree amd64-microcode intel-microcode xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 13:09.05 | user1` | then reboot, and now X don't work anymore :( |
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| 13:09.34 | user1` | (hopefully i now how to live in a terminal :) |
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| 13:10.34 | user1` | The error is : |
| 13:10.50 | user1` | Fatal error server : no screens found |
| 13:10.59 | dutchfish | user1`, have you checked that the version of mesa packages is on par with bpo as well? |
| 13:11.21 | dutchfish | user1`, dpkg -l | grep mesa |
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| 13:13.17 | dutchfish | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 13:13.18 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1; sid: 10.3.2-1 |
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| 13:14.13 | dutchfish | user1`, it looks like there is no newer in bpo |
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| 13:14.43 | dutchfish | ,v libegl1-mesa |
| 13:14.44 | judd | Package: libegl1-mesa on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1; sid: 10.3.2-1 |
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| 13:16.38 | dutchfish | user1`, it looks like you are far better off to upgrade to jessie. I dont say that lightly, but it seams that for getting the right mesa and dri, you need that. |
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| 13:17.06 | user1` | ok |
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| 13:17.29 | Tenkawa | greetings all |
| 13:17.29 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 13:17.31 | dutchfish | user1`, can you pastebin dmesg and xorg.0.log ? (to debian pastebin) |
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| 13:18.21 | Tenkawa | Anyone messed around with getting debian installed on one of those winbook tf100's yet? |
| 13:18.34 | abrotman | if you send me one ;) |
| 13:18.35 | Tenkawa | it appears to be theoreticly possible |
| 13:18.44 | Tenkawa | abrotman: hey hey.. long time no see |
| 13:18.58 | abrotman | hi |
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| 13:19.31 | user1` | dutchfish: (i need a web browser to paste to debian pastebin right ?) |
| 13:19.48 | dutchfish | user1`, or install pastebinit |
| 13:20.01 | dutchfish | !pastebinit |
| 13:20.02 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 13:20.06 | belowzero | hello guys, I have a strange problem. I dd'd a disk, ssd with full disk encryption to a bigger ssd of 240G instead of 120. Now all this extra space seems to be allocated and unusable. Anyone can give some advice what to do? here is output of sfdisk -l |
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| 13:20.50 | belowzero | I thought I could just create another partition, encrypt it and have a encrypted volume extra. - or even unencrypted. |
| 13:20.51 | abrotman | belowzero: fdisk -l shows it fully allocated? |
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| 13:22.26 | user1` | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/138374 pour le dmesg |
| 13:22.32 | belowzero | abrotman: eh, no |
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| 13:23.11 | abrotman | belowzero: and you want one single partitoin ? |
| 13:23.19 | belowzero | ok , seems like I got confused by gdisk -l that sais 5 501760 250068991 119.0 GiB 8300 Linux filesystem |
| 13:23.20 | user1` | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/138375 pour le xorg.0.log |
| 13:23.45 | user1` | dutchfish: s/pour le/for/ |
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| 13:24.30 | dutchfish | user1`, np, as far as i can see [drm] Initialized |
| 13:24.50 | dutchfish | user1`, so, yes, you are missing the correct mesa |
| 13:25.00 | belowzero | abrotman: it all makes sense now :) |
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| 13:25.05 | abrotman | belowzero: does it? :) |
| 13:25.06 | dutchfish | user1`, unfortunately thats only there in current jessie |
| 13:25.28 | belowzero | creating another partition starting on sector 250068992 |
| 13:25.49 | dutchfish | user1`, so i advise to use thta if this is a desktop setup and not used as a production server |
| 13:26.17 | Tenkawa | goes back to "learning" more about this secureboot and what to do about it |
| 13:26.21 | dutchfish | user1`, Xorg.0.log should reveal some more on this |
| 13:26.54 | user1` | dutchfish: yes, it's a desktop setup |
| 13:27.08 | abrotman | belowzero: you could try gparted for growing it .. but I have no idea how that works with encryption |
| 13:27.13 | abrotman | or if at all |
| 13:27.27 | dutchfish | user1`, then the easiest way out is prolly distupgrading to jessie |
| 13:27.59 | dutchfish | probably* |
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| 13:29.27 | dutchfish | user1`, one last thought, have you manually install a config for xorg? |
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| 13:29.41 | user1` | dutchfish: no |
| 13:29.45 | dutchfish | user1`, ok |
| 13:29.51 | belowzero | abrotman: I read somewhere that growing encrypted filesystem is not possible, creating another encrypted volume is then probbaly my best bet |
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| 13:30.01 | user1` | dutchfish: can you tell me the essential steps to upgrade to testing ? (I didn't do this since a very long time and my capacity to browse the web now is limited) |
| 13:30.20 | dutchfish | !distupgrade |
| 13:30.28 | dutchfish | !dist-upgrade |
| 13:30.29 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; as of Debian 5.0 "Lenny", aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>. |
| 13:31.18 | dutchfish | user1`, you can change /etc/apt/sources to point to jessie (i will hand you a pastebin after this) |
| 13:31.32 | user1` | dutchfish: also maybe i have to deinstall the packages from bpo before dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:31.49 | dutchfish | user1`, then aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade after that you can aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:32.13 | abrotman | belowzero: good luck |
| 13:32.14 | dutchfish | user1`, you can do that |
| 13:32.34 | dutchfish | user1`, normally the installer will inform you anyway |
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| 13:33.03 | abrotman | if it's a fresh install, might be easier to just use the jessie installer |
| 13:34.13 | dutchfish | user1`, something like this if you want dual arch: deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib |
| 13:34.38 | dutchfish | user1`, you can change the url for your repo nearby |
| 13:34.46 | abrotman | please use http.debian.net |
| 13:34.58 | abrotman | (or really, do an install from the jessie netinst) |
| 13:34.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, i would but, he has no browser atm |
| 13:35.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:35.17 | abrotman | no other computer? |
| 13:35.33 | abrotman | you can easily setup a netinst on a USB stick from the CLI |
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| 13:36.31 | user1` | abrotman: dutchfish: it's a fresh install but i'v just spend two full days to configure everything... |
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| 13:36.42 | user1` | i'll prefer to upgrade |
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| 13:37.25 | abrotman | "everything" ? |
| 13:37.36 | abrotman | Does X work? |
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| 13:39.00 | dutchfish | abrotman, he has a graphics card that worked before installing firmware in vesa mode, he is on par with wheezy bpo |
| 13:39.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, his card needs a newer kernel and dri |
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| 13:39.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, however there is no newer mesa in bpo |
| 13:39.51 | dutchfish | abrotman, thats the short story |
| 13:39.54 | abrotman | firmware, for intel video? |
| 13:40.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, this is what he has http://paste.debian.net/138375 |
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| 13:41.01 | abrotman | AFAIK, there's only one intel chipset that didn't work with the OSS drivers, and none of them require firmware? |
| 13:41.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, and his dmesg http://paste.debian.net/138374 |
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| 13:42.25 | dutchfish | as stated it worked only in vesa |
| 13:42.45 | abrotman | 'lspci -nn' ? |
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| 13:43.02 | jacobath | GNU\colossus, I made the .desktop file |
| 13:43.48 | abrotman | dutchfish: that appears to be a fairly old system, I can't imagine firmware would help? |
| 13:43.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, from my backlogs: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display [8086:0f31] (rev 0e) |
| 13:44.01 | abrotman | oh, misread |
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| 13:44.57 | abrotman | user1`: Unless you've really done a lot of things that can't be easily reproduced, I'd use the Jessie installer. But ultimately, there's no firmware for your video. |
| 13:45.32 | abrotman | isn't sure there's a driver at all .. goes to check some things |
| 13:46.21 | dutchfish | abrotman, thank you for helping out |
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| 13:46.32 | user1` | abrotman: that mean even if i upgrade to jessie i wil not have a working X with 3D acceleration ? |
| 13:46.54 | dutchfish | user1`, a second |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | user1`: I'm trying to figure this out .. because if you can have it with jessie, you should be able to get it in Wheezy |
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| 13:47.27 | abrotman | user1`: have you created an xorg.conf ? |
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| 13:48.06 | dutchfish | abrotman, asked that alrady, nope |
| 13:48.07 | user1` | dutchfish: ok, it would be better if i could stay on wheezy. No i didn't touche xorg.conf |
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| 13:55.01 | abrotman | user1`: The kernel supports it in Jessie (should in your BPO kernel also), but I'm trying to remember how Xorg chooses its driver |
| 13:55.49 | user1` | (btw, when i didn't used a session manager i used startx to run a graphical session. Now i have installed xdm. It didn't launch at the last boot (no error, nothing, as if there were no session manager at all). Startx is not available, i tried to launch a grahical session with 'X' (that gave me the error) and /etc/init.d/xdm start (that did nothing) |
| 13:55.51 | towo` | the kernel is not enougth |
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| 13:56.00 | towo` | it's baytrail graphics |
| 13:56.04 | user1` | (again, sorry for my bad english) |
| 13:56.11 | towo` | so it needs a recent xorg and mesa |
| 13:56.17 | towo` | this will wheezy not fit |
| 13:56.21 | abrotman | towo`: which seemingly, he's got from backports |
| 13:56.25 | towo` | it needs at least jessie |
| 13:56.44 | towo` | i don't see a recent x and mesa in backborts |
| 13:56.46 | abrotman | maybe he'd need to get all of Xorg from backports |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 13:57.01 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.917-1~exp1 |
| 13:57.18 | towo` | abrotman, that's only the ddx |
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| 13:58.10 | abrotman | Nevermind, All the backports for mesa are for squeeze |
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| 13:58.11 | towo` | and btw, for baytrail i would use the driver from experimental, nut unly with a recent x |
| 13:58.17 | user1` | abrotman: i upgraded xserver-xorg-video-intel to bpo |
| 13:58.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell user1` about wheezy->jessie |
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| 13:58.35 | abrotman | user1`: but again, I'd really try to do a fresh install if possible |
| 13:59.39 | dutchfish | towo`, thank you. I am on par with you, given all the facts |
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| 14:01.31 | user1` | abrotman: anyway, i could try to upgrade to jessie before re-installing everything ? |
| 14:02.14 | user1` | abrotman: if it works, great ! If not i install again. |
| 14:02.39 | dutchfish | user1`, if you have good bandwidth with no caps, sure |
| 14:03.08 | dutchfish | user1`, all it takes is time |
| 14:03.48 | dutchfish | user1`, but as long as you rem that distupgrading for some to testing, can be a bumpy ride at times |
| 14:05.23 | dutchfish | user1`, so far i have done that myself on a kde and gnome desktop recently, that worked out well, but i had to replanish ~/.kde |
| 14:05.27 | abrotman | user1`: you could, it's really your call. I've done systems that have been dist-upgraded through 5 releases, but if it were a new install, I'd just do the new install :) |
| 14:06.26 | user1` | abrotman: 5 releases, wow :o ! |
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| 14:08.31 | dutchfish | user1`, one more thing, distupgrading takes more time then a fresh install, often |
| 14:08.57 | user1` | abrotman: it's a new install but it's in the same state as if i had the laptop since 1 year because all the stuff i put in it/install/configure the past two days. |
| 14:09.06 | user1` | i will risk the upgrade |
| 14:09.14 | user1` | and let you know |
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| 14:10.02 | abrotman | thinks this laptop might have started as squeeze, and is now jessie |
| 14:10.42 | user1` | any last advice before i proceed ? :) |
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| 14:11.08 | dutchfish | user1`, be patient, and read before accepting apt's choices |
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| 14:12.34 | abrotman | Enjoy the ride! :) |
| 14:13.18 | user1` | there was a package named apt-listbug or something. I don't find now with apt-cache search. Is it only available in testing repo ? |
| 14:13.35 | Nik05 | user1` its in the repo |
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| 14:14.02 | Nik05 | user1` apt-listbugs |
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| 14:15.25 | user1` | Nik05: i don't have it... |
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| 14:17.30 | Nik05 | user1` install it |
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| 14:20.18 | user1` | Nik05: i mean aptitude didn't found him |
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| 14:21.08 | user1` | Nik05: after an update with a sources.list aiming at jessie it find it now |
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| 14:53.18 | tomboy64 | i have a debian machine running in virtualbox, with kde. only problem is, i don't get my screen resized automatically. works in a couple of other distros, why not in debian? i installed virtualbox-dkms 4.3.14 from wheezy-backports. |
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| 15:00.10 | someHuman | Does it take long for a package's latest release to arrive at Debian main repos? |
| 15:00.28 | someHuman | E.g. Blender is already at 2.72b, my version right now is 2.63. |
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| 15:01.37 | mtn | someHuman: stable: never, testing: when it is ready |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | and given the freeze ... |
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| 15:03.23 | Vroomfondle | someHuman: if you're desperate for the latest version you might find it in the unstable branch, but that's exactly what is says (unstable!) |
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| 15:05.47 | kale | i am having trouble setting up a bridge for eth0. the bridge comes up, but it does not get an ip address. setting an ip manually works fine, but i want the bridge to get its ip from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:06.14 | CyberAce | Hi |
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| 15:06.16 | jerrcs | kale: what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
| 15:06.41 | jerrcs | kale: and you did ifup on the bridge, yes? |
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| 15:07.51 | kale | jerrcs: incoming.kallenberg.dk/interfaces |
| 15:08.51 | jerrcs | you might need something like this to bring eth0 up too |
| 15:09.04 | jerrcs | auto eth0, iface eth0 inet static, address 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:09.12 | jerrcs | like the other format |
| 15:09.26 | kale | jerrcs: eth0 is up |
| 15:09.29 | jerrcs | if you don't have that, i've noticed sometimes it doesn't bring it's bridge port up |
| 15:09.33 | jerrcs | ah ok, good |
| 15:09.38 | kale | ifconfig shows both eth0 and br0 |
| 15:09.58 | jerrcs | so even when doing an ifdown/ifup, and networking restart, br0 doesn't populate with the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:10.12 | kale | jerrcs: yes, thats the problem |
| 15:10.57 | jelly-home | jerrcs: or just iface eth0 inet manual, up ifconfig eth0 up |
| 15:10.59 | kale | jerrcs: ahh, got it now, i set maxwait to o not 0 |
| 15:11.01 | jerrcs | that's quite weird. |
| 15:11.15 | jerrcs | wow, i missed that completely. hah |
| 15:11.20 | jerrcs | jelly-home: yeah, there's a few ways. |
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| 15:11.50 | kale | jerrcs: and now i get an IP, thanks for the inspiration :-) |
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| 15:12.35 | jerrcs | I just did an install last night with openvswitch and it was fussy until I added those eth0 lines. interesting that bridge-utils doesn't require that |
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| 15:34.07 | userportable | yo, i'v change my sources.list to jessie and do aptitude safe-upgrade in order to upgrade from wheezie to testing |
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| 15:35.09 | ompaul | userportable: no |
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| 15:35.22 | ompaul | userportable: dist-upGRADE |
| 15:35.31 | userportable | i let my laptop work (downloading stuff) and when i came back the screen was off. I press a key and the screen switch on. |
| 15:35.34 | ompaul | userportable: upgrade |
| 15:35.52 | userportable | but stay black |
| 15:35.57 | ompaul | well restart it |
| 15:36.09 | ompaul | or ssh into it |
| 15:36.13 | userportable | I am able to connect with ssh |
| 15:36.23 | ompaul | and? |
| 15:36.31 | userportable | and i see /var/cache/apt is still growing |
| 15:36.39 | ompaul | so leave it be |
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| 15:37.28 | ompaul | userportable: you can do anything any way you want |
| 15:37.34 | ompaul | but you can't do everything |
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| 15:37.46 | abrotman | always run your dist-upgrade inside of screen |
| 15:37.56 | ompaul | I think it is a bit late for that |
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| 15:38.21 | ompaul | and don't run it in X but nobody listens to me :) |
| 15:38.41 | userportable | ompaul: it's in a console |
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| 15:38.55 | ompaul | userportable: good :) |
| 15:39.12 | userportable | my X is not working anymore :) |
| 15:39.28 | ompaul | userportable: more than likely your suspend didn't work before you started this |
| 15:39.46 | ompaul | is a screensaver running? |
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| 15:40.09 | userportable | no |
| 15:40.25 | ompaul | if you know you are downloading you can restart the box and do it right |
| 15:40.30 | ompaul | if and only if |
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| 15:40.46 | ompaul | so you need lsof and you need to see what is being downloaded |
| 15:41.05 | ompaul | that is one way checking your netstat to check if you are hitting the repos |
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| 15:42.10 | userportable | do you think it is better to interrupt the process while aptitude is downloading ? |
| 15:42.49 | abrotman | if it's still *just* downloading, it's fine |
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| 15:43.27 | userportable | since /var/cache/apt is still growing it is the case no ? |
| 15:43.58 | userportable | but i have to act fast; the download is almost done i think |
| 15:44.07 | abrotman | then just do it .. |
| 15:44.16 | abrotman | worst is that you completely hose your box and you restore from bakcup |
| 15:44.22 | userportable | i 'shutdown -r now' through ssh ? |
| 15:44.31 | abrotman | uhm .. that's one method .. |
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| 15:48.03 | userportable | OK, i just reboot. Seems fine. |
| 15:48.18 | ompaul | now do the following run screen and apt-get dist-upgrade in that |
| 15:48.35 | ompaul | at least if you get logged out you can get back to the controlling terminal |
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| 15:49.10 | ompaul | expect to do a few apt-get -f installs and some apt-get dist-upgrades until no packages are downloaded etc you have work to do |
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| 15:50.13 | abrotman | ompaul: dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 15:50.51 | ompaul | abrotman: and or |
| 15:50.56 | ompaul | as told by dpkg |
| 15:51.10 | ompaul | I think it is time for RTFS where S is screen |
| 15:51.15 | ompaul | it advises well |
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| 15:52.12 | ompaul | userportable: I'll tell you one story about one dist-upgrade one day I choose the day some nasty packages were in transition for perl - couldn't achieve my goal for 25 hours - this can be the way |
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| 15:52.57 | ompaul | most unusual I have 80ish desktops and it doesn't happen often that I can't get sid sorted within an hour |
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| 15:53.34 | jelly-home | bleb: don't irc as root |
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| 15:54.22 | userportable | ompaul: If my screen get "stuck", i will be able to detach and re-attach screen remotely throug ssh that's it ? |
| 15:54.45 | ompaul | userportable: that is the idea |
| 15:54.56 | ompaul | disappears off into the ether to deal with RL problems |
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| 15:55.23 | userportable | ompaul: and some say that 'aptitude safe-upgrade' is needed before 'aptitude full-upgrade' |
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| 15:55.52 | userportable | is it true ? Your experience ? |
| 15:55.58 | ompaul | userportable: that is only for a full release cycle |
| 15:56.06 | ompaul | this is not jumping to testing |
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| 15:56.17 | ompaul | userportable: I told you already I didn't see it as needed |
| 15:56.30 | userportable | i don't understand the difference |
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| 15:56.54 | ompaul | well then the question is should you be doing testing if you don't know what testing is |
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| 15:57.04 | ompaul | stable -> new stable release |
| 15:57.10 | userportable | no no no |
| 15:57.12 | ompaul | that is what safe-upgrade is for |
| 15:57.16 | userportable | i know |
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| 15:57.20 | ompaul | so what is the question |
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| 15:57.34 | userportable | maybe it's my not so good english that it is tricking me |
| 15:57.45 | ompaul | userportable: you don't have to. |
| 15:57.54 | userportable | doesn't matter, i will do as you said |
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| 15:58.22 | ompaul | userportable: also for reasons that will become clear with experience if you are running testing forever / sid then you should consider not using aptitude but apt-get |
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| 15:58.58 | ompaul | userportable: something guessing with a package in transition is not a great idea whereas no guesses only getting the ready packages that makes more sense to me |
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| 15:59.13 | ompaul | has been on sid for more years than I want to admit ;-) |
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| 16:00.13 | userportable | i dist-upgrade with apt-get even if i installed everything else with aptitude ? |
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| 16:00.54 | ompaul | userportable yes and furthermore I suggest you stay with apt-get if you are running testing |
| 16:01.01 | ompaul | and not jessie when jessie goes stable |
| 16:01.23 | userportable | ok |
| 16:01.27 | ompaul | if you are running jessie when jessie goes stable by all means switch back but this is my personal preference |
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| 16:01.52 | abrotman | uses aptitude with testing :) |
| 16:02.02 | ompaul | abrotman: you never agree with me anyway ;-) |
| 16:02.04 | ompaul | hides |
| 16:02.33 | abrotman | ompaul: I also know what I'm doing? :) |
| 16:02.43 | ompaul | abrotman: that makes two of us |
| 16:03.12 | ompaul | userportable: my suggestion is based on you having to pick a solution - which is what aptitude says whereas |
| 16:03.14 | abrotman | I read what the package manager tells me before blindly doing things |
| 16:03.23 | ompaul | userportable: apt-get does the job and does not guess |
| 16:03.32 | abrotman | but apt-get doesn't give options |
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| 16:03.45 | ompaul | does not try to resolve problems and the problems get resolved when the packages are actually ready |
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| 16:04.02 | abrotman | so if you're in a bad spot with goofy dependencies, apt-get will not always do the right thing, and you don't have another option |
| 16:04.05 | ompaul | in most cases it won't matter but in some --- you need some experience |
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| 16:04.23 | ompaul | abrotman: I've not seen that since the naughties |
| 16:04.31 | ompaul | Ive seen it do two things |
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| 16:04.46 | ompaul | one take out libreoffice - but one was warned |
| 16:04.51 | ompaul | and the other was break audi |
| 16:04.55 | ompaul | audio |
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| 16:05.10 | ompaul | but that's it for 6 years in the current config (not the same box) |
| 16:05.49 | ompaul | userportable: I'll leave it with you I have things to do here |
| 16:06.53 | userportable | ompaul: ok thxs ! |
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| 16:15.33 | bakaseki | hi |
| 16:17.32 | bakaseki | for isntalling jessie, are all 3 dvds required or can i get away with just the 1st and repo download? |
| 16:19.41 | flux242 | bakaseki: i usually take a net install image which is ~30MB |
| 16:19.41 | userportable | bakaseki: the 1st one is enough |
| 16:19.51 | bakaseki | thanks |
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| 16:20.11 | bakaseki | flux242, well if you would also send me a working pen drive, that'd be great :D |
| 16:20.30 | bakaseki | otherwise, all i have is one dvd |
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| 16:20.49 | flux242 | you can burn that net install image too |
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| 16:21.00 | bakaseki | but it seems like a waste of 4gb |
| 16:21.37 | flux242 | right, 20 cent will be wasted |
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| 16:21.57 | bakaseki | it's not the money, it's the space |
| 16:22.20 | bakaseki | cause from a strictly financial pov, there's no need for any of us to buy expensive computers |
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| 16:23.58 | flux242 | you don't even need a computer, from the expanding universe pov |
| 16:23.59 | userportable | bakaseki: my computer is not expensive ! ;) |
| 16:24.25 | bakaseki | userportable, what flux242 said |
| 16:24.31 | GNU\colossus | hm, upgrading to Jessie made my fonts in iceweasel look considerably worse... |
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| 16:24.37 | GNU\colossus | there's no subpixel hinting any more, apparently |
| 16:24.44 | GNU\colossus | any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 16:25.02 | GNU\colossus | (fonts are fine in all other applications, afaict) |
| 16:25.58 | kozaczysko | Hi, I am trying to swap default nvidia driver for the nonfree, using geforce fx 5200. I installed nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx, manually, then I tried running the line from wiki, but it seems it isn't working properly. |
| 16:26.29 | kozaczysko | I am not familiar with aptitude command line options, but the line sstarts with aptitude -r install ..., and i get, among others, a message that there is no package byt the name "install" |
| 16:26.35 | ompaul | userportable: bakaseki the right way to install testing is to install stable and dist-upgrade from that - the first cd is enough in fact the netinstall cd is enough |
| 16:26.41 | kozaczysko | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-173xx that's the link that I am following |
| 16:27.03 | bakaseki | ompaul, then why provide any iso with testing? |
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| 16:28.11 | ompaul | bakaseki: to test the installer |
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| 16:30.21 | flux242 | kozaczysko: debian on a desktop is a bad idea anyway, why bother with video drivers? |
| 16:31.17 | ompaul | flux242: debian is sufficient for the company desktop I work with, so what .... |
| 16:31.48 | ompaul | it works - it does the job and we have many people employed and they are administration people not IT people |
| 16:32.10 | jelly-home | ompaul: (how) do you SSO? |
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| 16:32.16 | kozaczysko | flux242: because that's what I want, that's why. |
| 16:32.26 | kozaczysko | thanks for being so helpful man |
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| 16:32.28 | ompaul | jelly-home: for values of ldap |
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| 16:32.39 | flux242 | ompaul: it doesn't change the fact that debian isn't good on a desktop |
| 16:32.44 | abrotman | it certainly is |
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| 16:32.47 | jelly-home | ompaul: just ldap, no kerberos? |
| 16:32.56 | ilhami | the time on my Linux dist is wrong. :-D |
| 16:32.56 | kozaczysko | flux242: i didn't ask. |
| 16:32.58 | ilhami | how can I update it? |
| 16:33.01 | abrotman | flux242: it may not meet your needs, but other people have lots of other needs. |
| 16:33.05 | jelly-home | flux242: it's passable, depending on your needs. |
| 16:33.09 | ompaul | jelly-home: we didn't have a need for kerneros yes I'm about to do that *january |
| 16:33.47 | jelly-home | ompaul: you do that and figure out the bugs, so I can copy/paste the solution later :-D |
| 16:34.01 | ompaul | flux242: you opine that I am wrong, I know it works. I guess experience trumps opinion. |
| 16:34.15 | ompaul | jelly-home: I'll have answers for you by Feb 1 |
| 16:34.22 | ilhami | how do I update the clock? |
| 16:34.23 | ompaul | (oh damn I just committed) |
| 16:34.30 | abrotman | ilhami: update it to do what? |
| 16:34.37 | ilhami | update it to show the correct time |
| 16:34.45 | ilhami | 17.19 is definitely wrong |
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| 16:34.50 | ilhami | It's 17.34 |
| 16:34.52 | ompaul | ilhami: you can run ntpd or just ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org |
| 16:34.56 | abrotman | ilhami: install the ntp package |
| 16:35.12 | ompaul | ilhami: as he said intall that package |
| 16:35.31 | ilhami | ntp or ntpdate? |
| 16:35.38 | abrotman | ilhami: it'll take a few days to sync .. |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | ilhami: the 'ntp' package |
| 16:35.45 | ilhami | ok |
| 16:36.10 | abrotman | you can use ntp to slew the time also |
| 16:36.12 | ompaul | you can sync with what I gave you and run ntpd and then that will keep you in step |
| 16:36.14 | bleb | trying to run .xinitrc in place of a desktop environment... lightdm doesn't offer the "run x session script" option that I used to use; is there a standard way of making this work? |
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| 16:36.20 | abrotman | you don't need, and shouldn't use, ntpdate |
| 16:36.27 | kozaczysko | Now I am still stuck with 1024x768 resolution and afraid of rebooting. |
| 16:36.37 | FrozenWes | ntpdate has been deprecated since 2012, don't use that :) |
| 16:37.14 | ilhami | ntp worked fine. |
| 16:37.17 | ilhami | I just had to wait a bit |
| 16:37.33 | ilhami | thanks. |
| 16:38.26 | kozaczysko | The problem with irrelevant and uncalled for opinion is, I have my environment, a lot of variables that I consider, when I decide that what I want to do is to get a proprietary legacy driver for my old geforce gpu. |
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| 16:39.46 | choki | WHY |
| 16:39.51 | ilhami | why what? |
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| 16:40.09 | choki | I TRIED TO CHANGE MYSQL RUN USER BUT MYSQL WILL NOT START ANYMORE |
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| 16:40.19 | ilhami | why do you write in caps? |
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| 16:40.39 | flux242 | in a wrong channel |
| 16:41.22 | choki | BECAUSE #MYSQL WONT LET ME IN THOSE F..... SH...ELL YOU NOW! |
| 16:41.39 | kozaczysko | For example, I know that I will be switching distro, just for the sake of switching distros and gaining experience, as well as because I was advised so. I also know this is not going to happen soon because I don't have the time now, and if something fails me, which is likely with an over decade old pc, I really need this computer, and I really don't want to have to spend a lot of time trying to get it working if something fails during instal |
| 16:42.02 | ompaul | choki: caps lock is considered shouting, perhaps with this in mind you might acknowledge that it is not the best way to get people on your side |
| 16:42.49 | choki | im just angry trolling arround with this problem a few weeks, the documentation sucks, they all tell me the same |
| 16:42.51 | kozaczysko | Anyways, the scripts in the article I linked seem to be buggy, someone should at least flag them as such somewhere. |
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| 16:43.37 | flux242 | old hardware + linux = lots of sex |
| 16:44.39 | digdilem | really? someone's getting my quota then :( |
| 16:44.45 | kozaczysko | yes, and THIS IS EXACTLY why I won't try chainging distros when I already am running out of time for more importan business, and when I rely on this old PC to do it's job for now. |
| 16:45.19 | kozaczysko | But I do have the time to install the drivers, because I swapped the gpu for a better one and I need this extra pixels per inch on my screen |
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| 16:47.31 | kozaczysko | I had 1600 on radeon 9200 but the radeon displayed weird glitches, had barely any hardware acceleration and was generally annoying to work with. I know the geforce worked well on suse, and so I want to use it. I swapped the gpu (actually I put the debian hard drive and all RAM dice into the other machine, because It also has the best socket 478 motherboard available to me. |
| 16:48.07 | flux242 | digdilem: it's kozaczysko |
| 16:48.26 | kozaczysko | And all I need now, is to make sure that when I reboot, the proprietary driver will be used and I will be able to set reasonable resolution. |
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| 16:51.02 | kozaczysko | damn it, i just will do it and see what happens |
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| 16:52.22 | bleb | what ever happened to dpkg-reconfigure? I still have a man page about it in 7.7.0 but the command is nowhere to be found |
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| 16:53.47 | kozaczysko_ | Nope. X won't start. I only see the prompt dash, whatever you call it, when I try alt+f7 |
| 16:54.40 | ompaul | do alt the various other numbers |
| 16:54.44 | ompaul | just to be sure |
| 16:54.59 | kozaczysko_ | Okay, but I am on tty 1 right now. |
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| 16:55.27 | ompaul | 2 3 4 5 etc |
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| 16:55.31 | kozaczysko_ | tty1-6 work, 7 and 8 display blinking prompt. |
| 16:55.46 | kozaczysko_ | no response to 9-12 |
| 16:56.06 | ompaul | and you installed which drivers? |
| 16:56.13 | ompaul | from where? |
| 16:56.25 | kozaczysko_ | I used apt-get install nvidia-glx-something |
| 16:56.26 | doublehp_ | hello. Flash issue. Youtube is telling me that my flash plugin is out dated; when i click on check, the new page says me I have latest versino; when i click on update, it makesme download the same version i already have. WTF ? |
| 16:56.32 | doublehp_ | !flashplayer |
| 16:56.32 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 16:56.51 | kozaczysko_ | I used apt-get install nvidia-glx-something, I then created the x.org config to load "nvidia" driver. |
| 16:57.05 | ompaul | kozaczysko_: see the message from dpkg |
| 16:57.30 | kozaczysko_ | ompaul: haha, I am trying, but wasn't it alt - -> to switch windows in irssi? It switches tty for me... |
| 16:57.53 | kozaczysko_ | ok, alt+3 did the job |
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| 16:58.14 | ompaul | kozaczysko_: yeah |
| 16:58.18 | ompaul | leaves that with you |
| 16:58.24 | mtn | doublehp_: iceweasel/firefox only is available with an outdated version of flash. to use a new version, you need to run chromium with the pepperflash plugin. |
| 16:58.54 | kozaczysko_ | ompaul: thanks, I guess that'll be some reading. |
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| 17:15.11 | lanodan | I got a strange problem with miredo, I can ping ipv6.google.com but cannot access other hosts |
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| 17:17.06 | lanodan | doublehp_: Try https://youtube.com/html5 it use an html5 player to replace flash |
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| 17:17.59 | Dagger | lanodan: any other hosts? does e.g. he.net work? |
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| 17:19.13 | lanodan | It works™ |
| 17:19.30 | lanodan | This is even more strange |
| 17:19.42 | Dagger | what hosts were you testing against? |
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| 17:21.08 | lanodan | datalove.nerdcore.fr but the host is down, so miredo is working… |
| 17:22.41 | Dagger | well... yeah, if the host is down then you won't be able to access it via miredo any more than you could by native v6 :p |
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| 17:28.06 | rical | I have set /dev/ttyS0 for grub, kernel and init. Long story short, the last thing I can see on VGA or console is "Welcome to Grub". And I can't enter the encryption key. What to do? I have the ability to reboot into a live cd and unlock the disk. However, I can't find any grub config on any partition? |
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| 17:33.56 | userportable | abrotman, towo` & others: i'v made some progress ! Now my system is full-upgrade to testing (without almost any issue). At startup i see the xdm login screen, i enter my login/pass and validate, xdm seem to launch the session (black screen), but came back to the login page again... |
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| 17:35.01 | abrotman | userportable: this is good, right ? |
| 17:35.48 | Walex | userportable: not sure that "full-upgrade" and "testing" :-) |
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| 17:36.06 | userportable | abrotman: yeah, it's better it's seem, but can't have a graphical session still :) |
| 17:36.29 | abrotman | userportable: what is your session? |
| 17:36.31 | abrotman | did oyu check your logs? |
| 17:36.48 | userportable | abrotman: plain openbox |
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| 17:37.14 | userportable | Xorg.0.log don't seem to have something weird in it |
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| 17:38.12 | abrotman | can you shutdown XDM and use startx instead ? |
| 17:38.30 | userportable | dmesg : http://pastebin.com/FK3UkTBG |
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| 17:39.21 | abrotman | userportable: ls -al $HOME .. look for logs |
| 17:40.07 | userportable | i tried to stop xdm and launch X (i don't have startx) but i just get a black screen |
| 17:40.27 | abrotman | you sohuld have startx . |
| 17:40.35 | abrotman | userportable: aptitude install xorg xdm openbox |
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| 17:42.00 | towo` | fsllbsck to login could be disc full, /tmp wrong rights or user-home crippled |
| 17:42.05 | ectospasm | I have an Areca 1264 RAID controller, and the arcmsr driver that ships with wheezy doesn't cover it. I can build the driver Areca provides from source, and it loads and appears to work ("lspci -nnvd 17d3:1214" works, and shows the kernel module was loaded). My problem? I had to use insmod $(full path of new module), because "modprobe arcmsr" loads the wheezy-provided module. How do I either uninstall the |
| 17:42.05 | towo` | *fallback |
| 17:42.07 | ectospasm | wheezy module "the Debian way," or can I provide a full path in /etc/modules or /etc/modules.d/arcmsr.conf? |
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| 17:43.48 | userportable | abrotman: not better (the same) after 'aptitude install xorg xdm openbox' |
| 17:44.10 | userportable | that install some things though (xorg also) |
| 17:44.21 | userportable | maybe i need to reboot ? |
| 17:44.48 | userportable | mmm my /home is full |
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| 17:44.54 | someHuman | Hi |
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| 17:45.30 | someHuman | Any of you guys know of Firefox Light Beam? |
| 17:45.38 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 17:45.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:47.15 | abrotman | userportable: did you get 'startx' ? |
| 17:47.51 | abrotman | someHuman: how is this related to Debian? |
| 17:48.10 | Spydar007 | Two things: 1) is there a way to "suspend" or block a user account from logging in (without deleting it or changing the password) and 2) is there a way of setting cpu, ram, process, and storage quotas on a user account |
| 17:48.23 | userportable | abrotman: towo`: Yeah ! All works ! I make some space in /home and can log in a graphical session now ! And nexuiz play smoothly.... ! |
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| 17:48.36 | abrotman | Spydar007: 1) passwd -l username 2) ulimit |
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| 17:48.43 | abrotman | userportable: enjoy |
| 17:48.53 | Spydar007 | abrotman: cheers |
| 17:49.01 | userportable | thanks you very much all of you for your valuable help and advices ! |
| 17:49.02 | userportable | :D |
| 17:50.21 | Spydar007 | abrotman: I don't see how passwd -l stops them from logging in, it seems to only stop them changing their password |
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| 17:50.33 | kale | what is the release data for jessie? say about which month will it happen? |
| 17:52.48 | jordanm | Spydar007: it prevents them from logging in using password auth |
| 17:53.04 | jordanm | Spydar007: they can still login in other ways such as key auth |
| 17:53.10 | abrotman | Spydar007: changes the password, they can't login .. it's a common way of doing it .. otherwise, set their shell to /bin/false |
| 17:53.19 | abrotman | (note, that can be overriden) |
| 17:53.23 | Spydar007 | Nevermind, just tested it and it works |
| 17:53.23 | abrotman | overridden even |
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| 18:03.34 | kale | is libvirt functioning fine in wheezy or should i go for jessie for new functionality? |
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| 18:11.13 | salamisami | Something seems to be really weirdly |
| 18:11.51 | salamisami | I must have screwed up something a long time ago and its affecting things. Here`s my problem> |
| 18:13.01 | salamisami | On another pc, i ran debian from live usb, installed numix icon packs in user/.icons and root/.icons, used lxappearance and changed the theme normally, everything works just fine |
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| 18:14.20 | salamisami | but on my laptop, which i configured a long time ago, i attempt the same on ROOT USER, but when i open file manager, only some, very few of the icons have changed, while most are default icons. |
| 18:14.22 | petn-randall | kale: Always go with stable unless you are missing features. |
| 18:14.43 | salamisami | and i can\t change theme at all on normal user for some reason |
| 18:15.02 | salamisami | i can preview it, but if i apply change it wont stick |
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| 18:15.28 | salamisami | sorry for a little flood but thats about it |
| 18:16.30 | petn-randall | salamisami: Why are you logging in as root in the first place? |
| 18:17.00 | salamisami | just to change the icons when i use file manager as root i guess |
| 18:17.11 | petn-randall | salamisami: That's very bad practice, there's no need to do that. |
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| 18:18.24 | salamisami | Oh wait, also for some reason thunar shows less icons while pcmanfm shows more |
| 18:18.31 | DocMAX | hi all |
| 18:18.44 | salamisami | hello |
| 18:19.02 | DocMAX | i have a problem... i want to add a DNS server into my system but none of my devices resolves the names |
| 18:19.15 | DocMAX | i tried adding the server to resolv.conf |
| 18:19.23 | DocMAX | as 2nd server |
| 18:19.53 | DocMAX | no success... but nslookup name myserver works! |
| 18:20.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell DocMAX about override dns |
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| 18:21.02 | jelly-home | DocMAX: what does "dig name @firstnameserver" say? |
| 18:23.14 | DocMAX | is @firstnameserver a command? |
| 18:23.43 | abrotman | no |
| 18:23.58 | abrotman | such as "dig www.asdf.com @8.8.8.8" |
| 18:24.08 | woshty | Is there an overview of all debian mirrors and what points to them. I just read debian.morphium.info in my aptitude update .. does it do a reverse lookup? |
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| 18:24.58 | DocMAX | may i post the output here? |
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| 18:25.45 | DocMAX | docmax@debian:~$ dig fuck.docmax.home @192.168.1.1 |
| 18:25.46 | DocMAX | ; <<>> DiG 9.8.4-rpz2+rl005.12-P1 <<>> fuck.docmax.home @192.168.1.1 |
| 18:25.46 | DocMAX | ;; global options: +cmd |
| 18:25.46 | DocMAX | ;; Got answer: |
| 18:25.46 | DocMAX | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52936 |
| 18:25.46 | DocMAX | ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
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| 18:26.54 | DocMAX | sorry |
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| 18:28.50 | jelly-home | DocMAX: you said you added your own as second nameserver entry in resolv.conf, I wanted to see how he first one behaved and whether it needed to be removed |
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| 18:31.15 | jelly-home | also realize that .home may beome a valid top level domain, http://icannwiki.com/.home |
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| 18:31.37 | kozaczysko_ | What would be the best clit util for playing music? |
| 18:31.48 | kozaczysko_ | cli* |
| 18:31.51 | kozaczysko_ | lol |
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| 18:32.10 | abrotman | kozaczysko_: probably depends on the media type |
| 18:32.15 | kozaczysko_ | abrotman: mainly mp3 |
| 18:32.19 | kozaczysko_ | form hdd |
| 18:32.39 | abrotman | mpg123 still exists I think |
| 18:32.48 | kozaczysko_ | I'm thinking normal desktop audio player, like rhytmbox, just cli. |
| 18:32.52 | kozaczysko_ | I'll check that out. |
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| 18:35.01 | kozaczysko_ | Hmm. How would I pass cat /dev/random to standard input of another command? |
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| 18:35.12 | OSVG | pipe |
| 18:35.16 | OSVG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.28 | kozaczysko_ | foo - | cat /dev/random ? |
| 18:35.30 | socomm | cat /dev/random | my_command |
| 18:35.34 | kozaczysko_ | ok thank you |
| 18:35.53 | jelly-home | kozaczysko_: why do you want to do that? |
| 18:36.39 | kozaczysko_ | jelly-home: out of curiosity. I passed it to this mpg123, but now I realized I need something that plays raw pcm or whatever. |
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| 18:37.31 | socomm | Whats the different between /dev/random and /dev/urandom? |
| 18:37.34 | socomm | Hmmm. |
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| 18:37.48 | kozaczysko_ | socomm: one of them uses "enthropy" from input devices |
| 18:38.02 | kozaczysko_ | thus one of them hangs up if no input generates enthropy |
| 18:38.17 | kozaczysko_ | the other is strictly mathematical pseudorandomness generator, i think |
| 18:39.35 | kozaczysko_ | Actually, both use entropy, but random hangs while urandom generates psuedorandomness in case entropy is used up. |
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| 18:40.08 | socomm | Looks like random returns one value, and urandom returns 'endless' values. |
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| 18:41.21 | kozaczysko_ | It's devices, it's files, they will return as many bytes as you ask of them, but random will cease to do so if it can't provide you with "true" randomness. I don't know what exactly happens in that case. |
| 18:41.31 | socomm | I see. |
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| 18:41.52 | kozaczysko_ | If you cat /dev/random, it will hang upon using up all available entropy, but you can move your mouse around a bit and it should print a couple more bytes every now and then I think. |
| 18:41.55 | socomm | /dev/random will return values based on enthropy. |
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| 18:42.20 | socomm | urandom will return based on enthropy but if there is non it will return based on algorithm random generator. |
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| 18:42.41 | kozaczysko_ | Yup. |
| 18:42.50 | socomm | So random will only return values if there enthropy if there is none it will just stall until there is. |
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| 18:42.56 | kozaczysko_ | Thus cat /dev/urandom will print as fast as cat can. |
| 18:43.42 | kozaczysko_ | ....btw I just did that and it probably passed a lot of terminal control somethings somethings, because it completely destroyed my font :| |
| 18:43.42 | CrypticThought | kozaczysko_: Error: "...btw" is not a valid command. |
| 18:44.20 | socomm | . cat /dev/random |
| 18:44.21 | CrypticThought | socomm: Error: "cat" is not a valid command. |
| 18:44.28 | OSVG | lol |
| 18:44.34 | socomm | How is cat not valid command :^/ |
| 18:44.45 | kozaczysko_ | How do I return the tty to |
| 18:44.46 | socomm | . whatis love |
| 18:44.47 | CrypticThought | socomm: Error: "whatis" is not a valid command. |
| 18:44.51 | kozaczysko_ | "factory defaults" so to say? |
| 18:44.51 | socomm | Err ok. |
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| 18:45.01 | Vroomfondle | socomm: if you put ". " first it won't work |
| 18:45.08 | socomm | .ping google.com |
| 18:45.08 | CrypticThought | pong |
| 18:45.14 | socomm | .whatis love |
| 18:45.14 | CrypticThought | socomm: Error: "whatis" is not a valid command. |
| 18:45.14 | Vroomfondle | oh I see |
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| 18:45.20 | socomm | lol ok im done. |
| 18:45.21 | DocMAX | hi all, can you please check this. why isn't DNS resolving??? |
| 18:45.22 | DocMAX | http://paste.debian.net/138394/ |
| 18:46.03 | socomm | DocMAX: Are you running dns on the 127.0.0.1 IP? |
| 18:46.20 | socomm | DocMAX: If so what type of DNS are you running on the host? |
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| 18:47.14 | kozaczysko_ | DocMAX: are you trying to have a typical computer working, or are you doing something very specific? |
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| 18:47.58 | socomm | kozaczysko_: Looks like s/he is doing nslookup from a host called router - so I'm guessing that router is set-up as some sort of forwarding/re-cursive DNS. |
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| 18:48.12 | socomm | kozaczysko_: But that is just a guess. |
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| 18:48.49 | doublehp_ | mtn: lanodan thanks; https://youtube.com/html5 seems to help. Still, i wonder why my plugin claims to be outdating, without being able to propose a fix. Just: what's the point ? Hey man your system has a failure, but we won't help you fixing it ... |
| 18:49.43 | mtn | doublehp_: if you don't want the error messages, use chromium |
| 18:50.00 | socomm | Doesn't chrome spy on you? :^/ |
| 18:50.03 | DocMAX | i have windows dns server in my homenet |
| 18:50.18 | mtn | socomm: chromium is not chrome |
| 18:50.19 | DocMAX | and i want my router to resolved the hosts |
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| 18:50.37 | jelly-home | DocMAX: 192.168.1.3 is the windows dns server? |
| 18:50.42 | DocMAX | yes |
| 18:50.48 | DocMAX | dns is working as you see |
| 18:51.08 | socomm | DocMAX: You can set-up the router to forward all requests to your windows DNS server or (more sanely) pass the windows DNS server as the primary DNS server via DHCP. |
| 18:51.22 | DocMAX | but i want to ping client.docmax.home from any device... or even "ping client" should work |
| 18:51.25 | jelly-home | DocMAX: which debian release is installed on the machine named "router"? |
| 18:51.57 | doublehp_ | mtn: i can't change browser; out of 4, IceW is the only one working properly for me, on this box. |
| 18:52.01 | DocMAX | i want that if DNS on windows server fails, next goes 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:52.04 | socomm | DocMAX: Edit your /etc/resolv.conf and make sure the first name server is your window DNS server. |
| 18:52.13 | mtn | doublehp_: unfortunate |
| 18:52.20 | DocMAX | jelly-home: its ARM9 OpenWrt |
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| 18:52.23 | socomm | DocMAX: So set your router as secondary DNS server. |
| 18:52.28 | mtn | doublehp_: chromium works fine on both of my boxes |
| 18:52.46 | DocMAX | socomm, is resolv.conf the right file? |
| 18:52.49 | Pe | hi! |
| 18:52.51 | jelly-home | DocMAX: stupid question: how is this relevant to#debian at all, then? |
| 18:53.05 | doublehp_ | DocMAX: there is not just resolv.conf in the translation process |
| 18:53.18 | DocMAX | because it should work the same on debian |
| 18:53.24 | socomm | jelly-home: DD-WRT Debian starts with a 'D'. :^D |
| 18:53.40 | DocMAX | there is also /etc/config/network ? |
| 18:53.53 | Pe | i cannot install debian on my netbook.. i onlu have a 32GB ssd but im in graphical installation and it doesnt detect my ssd.. only my USB that im using to boot debian 7.7.. any help? |
| 18:53.57 | socomm | DocMAX: You're on the wrong channel, amigo. |
| 18:54.06 | jelly-home | but yeah, if the machines on your network get their IP and DNS info from a DHCP server, best to configure that DHCP server to give 192.168.1.3 as nameserver |
| 18:54.17 | socomm | DocMAX: /j #dd-wrt |
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| 18:54.41 | jelly-home | DocMAX: openwrt is quite different from debian in regard to how dhcp is set up |
| 18:54.54 | jelly-home | socomm: and openwrt is different from dd-wrt, too |
| 18:55.04 | getdavideo | i managed to install Wheezy on a Pentium IV laptop with 1 gig RAM. Flash would make my old laptop crawl so I did not install it. Watching youtube videos is a very slow affair so i tend to download them with youtube-dl or DownloadHelper when using Iceweasel. Can anyone tell me how can i get the video on http://www.aweita.pe/25-12-2014-como-pasar-navidad-con-tu-enamorada ? |
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| 18:55.18 | socomm | jelly-home: I'd presume open-wrt would be more similar to dd-wrt than Debian would be. |
| 18:55.28 | DocMAX | ok switching to openwrt |
| 18:55.32 | doublehp_ | DocMAX: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 18:55.38 | jelly-home | DocMAX: look for the right channel with /msg alis list *openwrt* |
| 18:55.47 | Pe | can anybody tell me why debian install dont detect my ssd? |
| 18:56.05 | socomm | Pe: Detect your SSD? Debian would just see it as another block device. |
| 18:56.18 | jelly-home | DocMAX: if that fails, there's always ##linux |
| 18:56.20 | socomm | Pe: Does your BIOS see the SSD? |
| 18:56.29 | Pe | yes |
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| 18:56.55 | doublehp_ | Pe: first proove it does not: look at /dev/sd* and /dev/hd* |
| 18:56.57 | Pe | i have ubuntu. it was the only who detected my ssd.. |
| 18:57.00 | socomm | getdavideo: A rasberry pi probably burns less energy than a P4 laptop. |
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| 18:57.12 | socomm | Pe: Could possibly a driver issue. |
| 18:57.27 | Pe | so im in debian graphical install |
| 18:57.33 | Pe | any way to try that? |
| 18:57.35 | doublehp_ | Pe: netinstall ? what's the chipset ? how old is controller ? |
| 18:57.46 | getdavideo | socomm, that does not answer my question |
| 18:58.13 | Pe | hmm |
| 18:58.30 | doublehp_ | Pe: bios could be missconfigured |
| 18:58.34 | socomm | getdavideo: There are a few flash video downloaders out there, try google before asking on here. |
| 18:58.37 | Pe | too many questions i dunno how to awnser. its live 1.3GB the debian i dowloaded |
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| 18:58.50 | getdavideo | socomm, i did |
| 18:58.51 | socomm | getdavideo: I remember using one call Ant video downloader, or something along those lines awhile back. |
| 18:58.52 | Pe | i think its this |
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| 18:59.34 | getdavideo | socomm, i did duckduckgo before asking here |
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| 18:59.46 | socomm | getdavideo: Ok. |
| 18:59.47 | smartass | anybody else getting libreoffice from BPO depending on libc6 2.19 ? |
| 18:59.50 | Pe | the thing that drives me crazy is that ubuntu is the only that can find my ssd.. |
| 18:59.56 | doublehp_ | Pe: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 19:00.08 | socomm | Pe: So go use Ubuntu. |
| 19:00.19 | Pe | in graphical installation how can i command line? |
| 19:00.34 | socomm | Pe: Alt+Ctl+F1 |
| 19:00.38 | doublehp_ | Pe: if controller is recent, it may not be yet in stable debian |
| 19:00.41 | socomm | Pe: Alt+Ctl+F3 - I think. |
| 19:00.48 | Pe | yeh |
| 19:01.21 | doublehp_ | Pe: in netinst, it's sometimes tricky to get installer download the correct driver. |
| 19:01.28 | socomm | Pe: Also what doublehp_ said, you can try Debian Testing/Unstable - those generally have newer software/drivers. |
| 19:01.38 | Pe | it only detect my usb.. |
| 19:02.16 | Pe | yeh i can try that testing/unstable version |
| 19:02.20 | doublehp_ | Pe: if you have lshw, read it. |
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| 19:03.14 | doublehp_ | Pe: you need to search in detail at which layer it fails: does it find the CPU ? (yes it may fail on that), PCI concentrator ? disk controller ? disk enumeration ? |
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| 19:04.23 | Pe | well yesterday i was able to install lubuntu with no problemas at all. previously i had kubuntu. But i didnt likelubuntu so i want to try another and i am trying debian. |
| 19:04.24 | doublehp_ | Pe: lspci is a good start, in the middle of the chain. First, do you see the disk controller ? if yes, did debian load the module for it ? => lsmod. As soon as module is loaded, disks should be listed in dmesg |
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| 19:05.15 | doublehp_ | Pe: "not seing a disk" is really ambiguous, and may not be the relevant issue. |
| 19:05.33 | Pe | lspci seems not showing my ssd |
| 19:05.47 | socomm | Pe: Have you considered Linux Mint? |
| 19:06.16 | Pe | never tried linux mint but ppl say its nice! |
| 19:06.32 | Vroomfondle | it is nice. |
| 19:06.41 | Vroomfondle | very nice, for a desktop/workstation |
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| 19:06.46 | jelly-home | getdavideo: you could ask the people from quvi project (backend for cclive downloader) to help you figure out a script that would download files from that site |
| 19:06.56 | doublehp_ | Pe: lspci is not meant to see SATA disks; only scan PCI bus ... which should contain your sata controllerS (i have 4) |
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| 19:07.04 | Pe | I will just use to internet browsing |
| 19:07.34 | Pe | if not mistaken there is no sata controller showing |
| 19:07.35 | Vroomfondle | there is an "lsata" command |
| 19:07.44 | Vroomfondle | or is it "lside"... I forget |
| 19:07.45 | Pe | its a acer aspire |
| 19:07.57 | Pe | ES11 i thing. netbook 11" |
| 19:08.45 | doublehp_ | Pe: if disk is seen under other systems, the controller should be fine, and should be seen in lspci; unles you have a multi bus motherboard, and a bug in your kernel not discovering non #0 PCI chains |
| 19:08.55 | Pe | lside not foubd |
| 19:09.01 | doublehp_ | Pe: I had this bug, and i have been fixed, well ... 8y ago |
| 19:09.02 | Pe | not found |
| 19:09.03 | getdavideo | jelly-home, writing scripts is not something desktop newbies like me should be expected to do |
| 19:09.10 | Pe | lol =P |
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| 19:10.30 | jelly-home | getdavideo: your site is obscure and noone has makde downloaders work with it yet. Some _has_ to do that first. |
| 19:10.37 | jelly-home | Someone* |
| 19:10.54 | Vroomfondle | er, getdavideo, "downloading flash videos" is a pretty advanced topic and on any OS you would need to use some sort of script to do it. Besides which, are you doing something legal? ;) |
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| 19:10.57 | jelly-home | getdavideo: so, you can get help and try do that, or you can whine |
| 19:11.00 | doublehp_ | Pe: an other reason could be blacklisting: do you have any message at boot time saying that a chipset have been placklisted ? |
| 19:11.10 | Pe | no i dont |
| 19:11.16 | jelly-home | getdavideo: there's a third option tho, you can pay someone to do it |
| 19:11.25 | doublehp_ | Pe: did you read every single line of the boot log ? |
| 19:11.55 | Pe | no. it goes too fast |
| 19:12.25 | getdavideo | jelly-home, paying someone to write scripts is not something desktop newbies like me should be expected to do |
| 19:12.30 | doublehp_ | then, maybe you just missed it. So many possible reasons ... could explain your initial question. |
| 19:12.34 | Pe | dont know it has anything to do but i had com32 error. i follow this to make it work http://www.ajopaul.com/2014/10/21/linux-usb-boot-disk-error-failed-to-load-com32-file-menu-c32/#comment-3964118 |
| 19:13.07 | Pe | because i was unable to load debian from usb |
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| 19:14.10 | zerick | Hello guys, Anybody knows if there's some similar to a2ensite for Nginx ? |
| 19:14.36 | OSVG | getdavideo: Writing scripts is part of living in a Linux world if you want to do non-standard operations. If you don't like it, there's always Windows where you'd have to write an entire application or plugin to do the same thing. |
| 19:15.08 | getdavideo | Vroomfondle, are you having a laugh? watching a video that is freely available on a web page is not something ilegal, mate |
| 19:15.09 | teraflops | OSVG: amen |
| 19:16.09 | Vroomfondle | getdavideo: er, it's quite possibly illegal depending upon the terms you agreed to by watching it. Don't get defensive - only asking :) |
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| 19:16.38 | Vroomfondle | for instance, if I watch something on BBC iPlayer, that's legal. If I download it, that's illegal. |
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| 19:17.03 | OSVG | Also, PSA: Remember to not feed trolls. |
| 19:17.05 | Vroomfondle | (unless I use the iPlayer client, which deletes it after <n> days) |
| 19:17.11 | getdavideo | jelly-home, for your information that website is not obscure. it is one of the most popular ones in that part of the world |
| 19:17.16 | doublehp_ | Vroomfondle: that's the limit of the wording; you can hardly view something on your computer without downloading it ... |
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| 19:17.44 | getdavideo | Vroomfondle, it is not ilegal |
| 19:17.54 | Vroomfondle | doublehp_: well yes, I agree. The law hasn't kept up with technology in my part of the world, at least. |
| 19:18.18 | dondelelcaro | the legality or illegality of things is not on topic on #debian. |
| 19:18.28 | doublehp_ | Vroomfondle: anyway, data has to go through your gateway, and sleep in your RAM; it's not rare data goes to disk if you have swap; storing data in the main FS may be the legal limit ... |
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| 19:18.32 | Vroomfondle | Okay, understood. |
| 19:18.33 | kozaczysko_ | What the hell does it mean "not something someone should be expected to do" |
| 19:18.46 | kozaczysko_ | Nobody expects you to make a million dollar yearly. |
| 19:18.46 | getdavideo | OSVG, is watching a freely available video on a popular website a non-standard operation? |
| 19:18.47 | jelly-home | getdavideo: keyword being "that part of the world" |
| 19:18.57 | kozaczysko_ | Does it mean you should be GIVEN a million dollar yearly? |
| 19:19.03 | OSVG | getdavideo: Are you trying to watch it through a web browser? |
| 19:19.48 | doublehp_ | Vroomfondle: I am also very crossed against the "peer to peer" word use. Any people using Internet unicast is doing peer to peer, by definition. So, doing laws against "peer to peer" jus means, doing laws agains unicast (IPv4 and/or v6) |
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| 19:20.10 | kozaczysko_ | Nobody expects inexperienced users to solve complicated problems. Which does not imply all complicated problems should somehow be solvable for those inexperienced users without learning or paying. |
| 19:20.13 | getdavideo | jelly-home, i give you that website may not be as popular as youtube but still it is very very popular |
| 19:20.31 | getdavideo | OSVG, i am trying to download it |
| 19:20.35 | kozaczysko_ | Nobody expects you even to be able to bake bread. Neither anyone will give you some for free on a general basis. |
| 19:20.41 | OSVG | Does the web page have a direct link to download the video? |
| 19:21.13 | jelly-home | getdavideo: that's all beside the point. The point is, if there's no support from downloaders right now, ask the people who make those downloaders to support your site. |
| 19:21.17 | kozaczysko_ | On the other hand I wonder why are you people judging what he does. He asks technical questions, give technical answers. |
| 19:21.18 | Vroomfondle | doublehp_: "peer-to-peer" is a phrase that politicians can latch onto, even if they don't understand the context |
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| 19:21.22 | OSVG | I'm going to assume no, which means that standard procedure would be watching the video on the web page, not downloading it. Now you are doing a non-standard operation. |
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| 19:21.51 | doublehp_ | kozaczysko_: I like u |
| 19:22.07 | Vroomfondle | sorry, I did not intend to be judgemental, kozaczysko_. To be honest I am regretting mentioning the legality of it. |
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| 19:22.15 | jelly-home | getdavideo: so, ask quvi, or youtube-dl people |
| 19:22.17 | shay_shay | hallo |
| 19:22.23 | Vroomfondle | It was supposed to be an offhand comment but I see it has been seen as quite serious. |
| 19:22.45 | shay_shay | what comment |
| 19:22.49 | OSVG | No comment. |
| 19:22.51 | doublehp_ | Vroomfondle: setup a transparent proxy; the video data will be recorede in the cache. |
| 19:23.01 | Vroomfondle | shay_shay: some comment I made; don't worry ;) |
| 19:23.01 | jelly-home | let's focus on the technical aspect of the question, it's a _tech_ support channel after all |
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| 19:23.21 | kozaczysko_ | Vroomfondle: as a person that more often seeks help on irc than gives help, let me just tell you any, even slightest bit of opinion that is not what was asked for can easily derail the process of finding solution. |
| 19:23.23 | jhutchins | Could we perhaps return to debian support questions? I'm sure there's an appropriate channel to discuss media policy somewhere else. |
| 19:23.40 | jelly-home | Vroomfondle, kozaczysko_: drop it please |
| 19:23.51 | Vroomfondle | dropped. |
| 19:23.57 | kozaczysko_ | i drop it like it's hot |
| 19:24.01 | kozaczysko_ | :3 |
| 19:24.06 | shay_shay | Vroomfondle: pump up the volume |
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| 19:26.32 | getdavideo | update! a non judgemental friend suggested this: https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/blob/master/AdobeHDS.php will give it a go. |
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| 19:27.54 | OSVG | Hm, does anyone know why the default Debian 7 Stable installer didn't offer me a chance to configure static IPs on my server install? |
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| 19:28.54 | doublehp_ | OSVG: there is a trick: once it found DHCP, on the next question, just step back to main menu. Then you can restart net conf manual way, and that time it will offer you static |
| 19:29.06 | OSVG | shucks. |
| 19:29.11 | OSVG | Alright, I missed that bit. |
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| 19:29.13 | kozaczysko_ | getdavideo: in case you have no experience at all in this topic, i'll share the little I know. youtube player works by downloading flv file to a temporary location on disk. Downloaders probably work this way - they pretend to be a browser or pretend to be the player or open the website with player, and either grab the flv file directly or from the temporary location, then convert it to chosen format. |
| 19:29.20 | OSVG | Luckily I noticed before I dropped console. |
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| 19:29.33 | doublehp_ | OSVG: automation have gone far, but there is a rollback :) |
| 19:29.49 | OSVG | I'm just far more used to reinstalling Centos 7. |
| 19:29.58 | OSVG | >_> Which says good things about Debian, I guess. |
| 19:30.03 | jelly-home | kozaczysko_: it used to be like that, but it's not any more on most sites. |
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| 19:31.02 | jelly-home | kozaczysko_: nowadays you need to parse the flash a bit to get to the correct URL to access the video |
| 19:31.03 | OSVG | HTML5 is a beautiful thing. |
| 19:31.03 | kozaczysko_ | Oh, he quit. Actually I just realized that with Pentium 4 his machine is more or less on par with mine, and I use flash. |
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| 19:32.56 | teraflops | mpv with the youtube-dl hook enabled is a dream |
| 19:33.01 | kozaczysko_ | There was some problem with youtube, so I used 144p quality consistently, but it was on a buggy legacy radeon. Once I get my geforce running on the proprietary legacy driver, I am expecting more prevailent support for hardware acceleeration. |
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| 19:33.19 | kozaczysko_ | consistent was the word I needed |
| 19:34.14 | kozaczysko_ | I wonder, is Debian wheezy particularly well suited for legacy pc, compared to distros with state of the art software? |
| 19:34.46 | kozaczysko_ | I mean, my friend tells me to use archlinux, and he argues that it has more modern desktop packages. But then, isn't it goind to turn out a disaster with so little computing power my machine has? |
| 19:34.52 | Pe | <Vroomfondle> i am booting mint and ssd was detected ;) |
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| 19:35.34 | jhutchins | kozaczysko_: Other distribution often release software that is still in the testing phase and has serious bugs. Bugs do not make software "state-of-the-art". |
| 19:35.46 | kozaczysko_ | I suppose developers now expect machines to have at least a level of support for graphical computing, that my machine does not, and it will all drop onto the cpu perhaps? |
| 19:36.07 | kozaczysko_ | jhutchins: I can live with bugs, but I can't live with lags. |
| 19:36.10 | jhutchins | kozaczysko_: The apparent age of debian packages isn't significantly behind these distros, and does not have any performance implications. |
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| 19:36.39 | jhutchins | kozaczysko_: The degree of hardware change over the testing phase of software is minimal. |
| 19:36.41 | kozaczysko_ | jhutchins: do you think debian testing is on par when it comes to features and progress and whatever you call it in english? |
| 19:37.05 | jhutchins | kozaczysko_: I belive Debian _stable_ is an excellent choice for most users. |
| 19:37.12 | shay_shay | kozaczysko_: may i recommend instgead of using arch, try debian testing? |
| 19:37.31 | jhutchins | kozaczysko_: Testing is just what it says. It breaks. It stays broken until a proper fix is developed. |
| 19:37.50 | shay_shay | but still less prone to breaking than archlinux |
| 19:37.54 | shay_shay | by far |
| 19:37.56 | kozaczysko_ | jhutchins: I used squeeze when it was still testing I think, and it worked out pretty well for me. |
| 19:38.03 | teraflops | shay_shay: youre wrong |
| 19:38.09 | jhutchins | kozaczysko_: Sometimes you get lucky. |
| 19:38.34 | kozaczysko_ | jhutchins: let's not dwell into the philosophy of probability... but consistent results defy the notion of luck. |
| 19:38.39 | shay_shay | teraflops: i've been using testing for years and have had very few problems |
| 19:38.49 | shay_shay | whereas archlinux barely works out of the box |
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| 19:39.03 | teraflops | shay_shay: and udes for years archlinux too? because it doesnt seem so |
| 19:39.09 | teraflops | used* |
| 19:39.14 | OSVG | archlinux works fine out of the box if you configure it correctly. O_o |
| 19:39.34 | kozaczysko_ | Yes, one point why I wanted archlinux is educational. |
| 19:39.36 | shay_shay | sorry i started distro war |
| 19:39.42 | kozaczysko_ | I don |
| 19:39.45 | jhutchins | Ok, I admit I've been dragged off topic now. |
| 19:39.51 | jelly-home | OSVG: "out of the box" means no configuration. |
| 19:40.34 | kozaczysko_ | I don't mind learning a bit, as long as making it work requires my action, not just waiting for fixes. |
| 19:40.43 | kozaczysko_ | But yes, sorry for the off topic. |
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| 19:41.12 | shay_shay | kozaczysko_: on OFTC theres a #debian-next channel. it's the official channel for testing support |
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| 19:41.15 | kozaczysko_ | I'll just compare the differences between arch and debian testing before making an informed choice. |
| 19:41.29 | shay_shay | kozaczysko_: we can finish this discussion there |
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| 19:41.39 | kozaczysko_ | shay_shay: okay, thank you. What is OFTC? |
| 19:41.51 | frotz47 | #debian-next |
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| 19:42.06 | jelly-home | kozaczysko_: irc.oftc.net, different network |
| 19:42.29 | jelly-home | (it's also Debian's official network and irc.debian.org points there) |
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| 19:50.56 | kepta | hi |
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| 20:44.19 | doublehp_ | Hanumaan: what do you want to change ? the order of lines, it's complicated; but you can set a default easily |
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| 20:44.46 | doublehp_ | Hanumaan: since grub2 is dynamic, you should set the default by label, and not by number |
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| 21:10.47 | dgeary2 | in wheezy, for polkit action org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-mount-system-internal, how does it determine whether a disk is internal? |
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| 21:20.34 | doublehp_ | dgeary2: this kind ofproperties are provided by udev at plug time; i don't know how udev determines this, or if it's available outside udev |
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| 21:20.51 | tremon | at a guess, I would say it checks the "removable" flag |
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| 21:22.33 | doublehp_ | tremon: i would not bet removable are alias for non external. Cf NAS. Plus, removable is not synonime of hotplugable. |
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| 21:23.54 | tremon | doublehp_: definitely true, but "internal" is a physical property that the hardware has no way of knowing |
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| 21:25.44 | flix | ist there a documentation on how to get software into the debian repositories and how the process is to get it into a final release? |
| 21:25.45 | tremon | dgeary2: according to udisks(7), "internal" is determined by the udev property UDISKS_SYSTEM_INTERNAL |
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| 21:26.39 | tremon | and lo, it says ' "0" means "removable", any other value means "system internal" (i. e. no automounting)' . Weep |
| 21:27.00 | jhutchins | flix: Is this software you produce? |
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| 21:28.37 | doublehp_ | tremon: not completely true; i have seen this property in some udev logs; and, at the driver level, someclasses of devices are stated to be internal or external;all USB for example are external; IDE are always internal;but sata is debatable (sata standard states a sata can be external). I am not sure if this is encoded into udev, or a property provided by the device driver |
| 21:28.52 | doublehp_ | flix: yes, there is. Somewhere in debian docs. |
| 21:30.43 | tremon | doublehp_: which part is "not completely true"? I just quoted the man page. and ftr, I already agreed with you that removable is a very poor synonym for internal |
| 21:31.20 | doublehp_ | i wrote that before i saw your quote |
| 21:31.32 | tremon | ah :) |
| 21:32.01 | doublehp_ | but it does not explain if this is in a database in ONE app, or delivered by each dev diver |
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| 21:33.56 | tremon | it's probably a database maintained by the udisks people, at least that what I would expect |
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| 21:35.11 | rednovae | so i'm trying to build a program, and it needs to link against libs in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/, but for some reason this directory isn't being looked it? |
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| 21:36.11 | doublehp_ | rednovae: LDpreload something ?ldlibrarypath ? |
| 21:36.13 | rednovae | gcc -lcap says gcc can't find lcap, but it's in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ . what do i do to assist gcc? is there an environment variable i can set? |
| 21:36.38 | doublehp_ | gcc -L ? |
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| 21:36.41 | tremon | rednovae: that's probably only the .so. Don't you need the .a even for dynamic linking? |
| 21:37.14 | doublehp_ | rednovae: #gcc or #developpement or #debian-dev, but for sure you are OT. |
| 21:37.25 | doublehp_ | or even #software |
| 21:37.29 | rednovae | i'll try #gcc |
| 21:37.52 | doublehp_ | it's a basic issue; you find it in all gcc tutos |
| 21:38.58 | rednovae | ah... it looks like i have libcap.so.2 but /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ but no libcap.so in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 21:39.26 | doublehp_ | rednovae: sounds like you have an issue with, or need a ./configure |
| 21:39.52 | doublehp_ | look for tools to write a configure for you |
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| 21:40.29 | jhutchins | rednovae: That's usually set up by a "configure" script that goes out and finds components in the various libraries. |
| 21:40.57 | coste | exit |
| 21:41.08 | tremon | rednovae: did you install libcap-dev? |
| 21:41.12 | rednovae | i did |
| 21:41.23 | rednovae | or, i think it's from libpcap.dev |
| 21:41.27 | rednovae | -dev |
| 21:41.41 | rednovae | omg |
| 21:42.04 | rednovae | gentlemen i thank you for your help |
| 21:42.11 | rednovae | please erase this conversation from your logs |
| 21:42.12 | rednovae | it never happened |
| 21:42.22 | doublehp_ | lol |
| 21:42.22 | jelly-home | which conversation? |
| 21:42.41 | shay_shay | once it goes on the internet the internet has it forever |
| 21:42.43 | doublehp_ | too late;you are already in google logs and backuped in webarchives |
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| 21:43.10 | rednovae | second question? how can i delete an IRC conversation from the internet? |
| 21:43.10 | doublehp_ | and if you insist, we will put you on joke websites |
| 21:43.11 | teraflops | obama already knows that |
| 21:43.17 | shay_shay | 10 years from now someone will be able to download it off some sketchy torrent site |
| 21:43.31 | doublehp_ | rednovae: even God is not sure how to do it ... |
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| 21:44.01 | rscnt | offtopic |
| 21:44.11 | shay_shay | sry |
| 21:44.18 | ktechmidas | is bash.org still updated? |
| 21:44.26 | jerrcs | i don't think so |
| 21:44.31 | ktechmidas | :( |
| 21:44.40 | sir_john_doe | Will I get banned or something if i automatically run "apt-get update" every 5 minutes to check for security updates? |
| 21:44.51 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: no |
| 21:44.58 | ktechmidas | oh |
| 21:45.00 | sir_john_doe | good, ty |
| 21:45.01 | ktechmidas | they fixed it |
| 21:45.06 | ktechmidas | it's got new quotes :D |
| 21:45.16 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: but most mirrors only get updates 3-4 times a day |
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| 21:45.32 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: why would you do that? D: |
| 21:45.43 | sir_john_doe | jelly-home: i am using security.debian.org as recommended on the wiki |
| 21:45.51 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: automatic security updates |
| 21:45.54 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: probably wiser to use RSS feeds; and, first check how often this site is updated itself |
| 21:46.16 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: use something proper... an apt-get update won't do the updates itself anyway |
| 21:46.29 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: i know that, but unattended-upgrade will |
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| 21:46.38 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: i just have to run apt-get update first |
| 21:46.51 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: no idea why you'd want automatic updates every 5 minutes anyway |
| 21:46.53 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: RSSreally have been designed for this |
| 21:47.01 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: you want to automate things? Subscribe to debian-security-announce |
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| 21:47.10 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: but that's more complicated |
| 21:47.14 | jelly-home | no need to poll every 5 minutes |
| 21:47.14 | sir_john_doe | jelly-home: i am subscribed |
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| 21:47.39 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: so trigger updates when you get mail |
| 21:47.41 | sir_john_doe | jelly-home: but i have 3 boxes running wheezy and i am tired of applying the security updates manually on all of them |
| 21:47.49 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: what if a maintainer pushes out a bad update at 4am (it's been known to happen) |
| 21:47.51 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: check the docs of the site; they probably recommend an update freq |
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| 21:48.23 | sir_john_doe | jelly-home: i don't want to spend time writing a script to check that if i don't have to :/ |
| 21:48.26 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: look into puppet or some kind of config management tool |
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| 21:48.34 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: ok i'll check |
| 21:48.34 | ktechmidas | it will make your life much easier |
| 21:48.51 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: if you maintain a network, YOU HAVE TO SPEND TIME ON IT. |
| 21:49.01 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: or do like me: stop maintaining. |
| 21:49.03 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: hourly or 6-hourly checks are just fine. |
| 21:49.07 | ktechmidas | I have 22 servers.... I want to add a new user with a new key to all of them, boom done. |
| 21:49.17 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: but not more than necessary... |
| 21:49.17 | ktechmidas | that's how easy config management is |
| 21:49.26 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: yes, but if i can automate it, that's better |
| 21:49.46 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: i cant apply manual updates when i am not awake or at the computer |
| 21:49.49 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: automation requires scripting. For 3 machines, it worth using a meta admin tool. |
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| 21:50.13 | ktechmidas | also... there would be a way to script it |
| 21:50.14 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: the unattended-update script already exists. i put it in a cronjob, done. |
| 21:50.23 | ktechmidas | so it just takes your 3 servers from a file |
| 21:50.25 | ktechmidas | runs the updare |
| 21:50.29 | ktechmidas | and goes to the next |
| 21:50.34 | ktechmidas | if you have keys configured |
| 21:50.36 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: just wanted to know if i can get into trouble by choosing a too-short interval |
| 21:50.56 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: with cron, YES;due to cron |
| 21:51.01 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: if you get noticed, you might get banned of course. Be polite. |
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| 21:51.23 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: what is wrong with cron? |
| 21:51.28 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: so yes it can turn bad, for misc reasons. |
| 21:51.50 | sir_john_doe | jelly-home: then i'll set it to 30 minutes? |
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| 21:52.06 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: I wouldn't go lower than a hour. |
| 21:52.30 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: cron run things in paallel; if you have a network issue at some time, then net resumes, and next run starts before previous ended, you can end up with race concurencies.APT is protected against this via locks, which are usually safe; but peripheral scripts may break. |
| 21:52.51 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: that's why I stopped using cron, and now use while true sleep loops. |
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| 21:53.02 | ktechmidas | daemons ftw |
| 21:53.46 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: if you really have that problematic a service requiring quicker updates, then you can't rely on Debian's security team alone anyway, and you're tracking upstream and other sources already |
| 21:53.49 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: especially for things which are ran faster than classic net timeouts. 5mn is pretty short; take a DNS resolution, add an apt request with several retries, you easily get 2Omn per run |
| 21:54.13 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: I expect a script like unattended-upgrade, which is obviously ment to run as a cron job to be able to handle that though |
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| 21:54.47 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: you would be amazed to know how many bugs I found in various official and distro scripts. |
| 21:55.20 | jelly-home | doublehp_: that's easy found out with a http://bugs.debian.org/from:your-email query :-) |
| 21:55.21 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: including Debian install stuff, and major Android apps, and update tools from various brands. Including a C compiler. |
| 21:55.25 | ktechmidas | same... the amount of broken things that maintainers may push out at 4am :| |
| 21:55.33 | bhasker | All: If I create a cryptsetup device using --offset, after the mapping is done, is there a way I can find out the value of the offset ? |
| 21:55.40 | sir_john_doe | jelly-home: i just want my stuff to be as secure as i can manage |
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| 21:56.13 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: there will always be bugs |
| 21:56.19 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: you won't lose sleep because of a hour of delay, when it takes Debian days-weeks to fix something |
| 21:56.28 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: You need to balance security against your needs, and you can't just trust the maintainers to do that for you (maybe you should hire a sysadmin?) |
| 21:56.41 | doublehp_ | bhasker: yes |
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| 21:57.08 | ktechmidas | because what's best for the maintainers isn't always best for you.... you should be deploying updates to a test environment first, that simulates your real env as much as possible |
| 21:57.12 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: i can hardly afford to hire people for that who i trust to get the job done well |
| 21:57.14 | ktechmidas | then deploy to prod |
| 21:57.25 | doublehp_ | bhasker: if you know the key, and the shape of content, it takes second; without the details, it can take hours or days. |
| 21:57.29 | ktechmidas | in which case, you need to spend a little bit of time on it |
| 21:57.34 | ktechmidas | we do updates every 3 weeks |
| 21:57.36 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: i only automate security updates |
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| 21:57.45 | jelly-home | sir_john_doe: so if you want security, instead of a semblance of security, and if every five minutes count for a specific service of yours, don't rely just of distro updates. |
| 21:57.51 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: the security updates are multiple in a single day sometimes |
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| 21:58.07 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: and sometimes they're not all relevent |
| 21:58.09 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: its annoying enough to run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade manually |
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| 21:58.13 | bhasker | doublehp_: Yes but given that I have the mapping up and running, is there a way to find out ? the command dmsetup info -c does not give the offset value ... nor is there any options with cryptsetup |
| 21:58.25 | ktechmidas | instead of panicking because of a security update |
| 21:58.31 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: nothing is ever 100% safe. Really. Just live with it. |
| 21:58.32 | ktechmidas | you need to look at it and find out if it's relevent |
| 21:58.36 | sir_john_doe | jelly-home: i won't rely just on that. |
| 21:58.41 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i am aware of that |
| 21:58.41 | ktechmidas | you'll find often, they're not or a non-issue |
| 21:58.48 | reavengrey | Hey, how do I remap my caps lock key such that pressing it sends the signal for the lowercase letter "a"? |
| 21:58.56 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: but i can get as close as i can |
| 21:58.56 | reavengrey | My "a" key no longer works |
| 21:59.08 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: and have a plan if intrusions happen |
| 21:59.08 | ktechmidas | we run updates into test one week, stage another and prod on the last |
| 21:59.23 | ktechmidas | so we're always a month behind |
| 21:59.28 | ktechmidas | unless something massive comes up |
| 21:59.34 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: and in many cases, it's safer to use old, deprecated and outdated apps. Ex, I was not vulnerable to the last SSL issue, because I had not yet installed any recent SSL lib. So i had nothing to fix. |
| 21:59.45 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: i am aware that most times the security updates don't necessarily matter |
| 22:00.07 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: since after all, noone's supposed to have arbitrary code execution on my servers anyways |
| 22:00.17 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: but you never know when it might happen |
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| 22:00.19 | reavengrey | Is there s dpkg query I can use to read abot how to remap keyboard keys??? |
| 22:00.22 | ktechmidas | sir_john_doe: I'd much rather spend 5 minutes watching a server update... making sure everything is okay, and going from there |
| 22:00.33 | ktechmidas | and if something massive happens |
| 22:00.37 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: i am only automatic security updates |
| 22:00.39 | ktechmidas | they won't be coming for you first |
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| 22:01.13 | sir_john_doe | ktechmidas: not the other stuff. so far the wheezy security updates didn't break anything important |
| 22:01.35 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: a friend got up at 7; he received an email at 6 saying one of his server was exposed; we went to his lecture, and thought he would update the server at lunch time. At 11, he received an email from a third party telling him his server had attacked him ... he did not have time to attend his lecture, his server was already compromised |
| 22:01.49 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: sometimes things break even if everyone did everything right. |
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| 22:02.01 | pingfloyd | that's just technology |
| 22:02.10 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: sounds like automated security updates would have done it? |
| 22:02.17 | doublehp_ | bhasker: do you need the info, or do you want to know if it's possible when you loose it ? try losetup. |
| 22:02.30 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i know, but the point is to minimize the amount of times that happens |
| 22:02.41 | doublehp_ | bhasker: if the system is up, losetup knows what you want. |
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| 22:02.56 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i am aware that a skilled hacker will eventually find a way into any system, given that it is reasonably big. |
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| 22:03.31 | doublehp_ | rednovae: X or console ? |
| 22:03.32 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: any time an update is ran in any OS there's always a chance its going to screw something up and be a big mess. I would just leverage that with a good backup/recovery strategy if you don't have a sys admin that can just handle it. |
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| 22:04.04 | doublehp_ | realitygaps: keyboard driver can. Remapping is easire in X |
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| 22:04.29 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i'd rather have a service crash because of a failed update than be exposed for not applying an update in time |
| 22:04.48 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i take backups, so i can rollback a mess |
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| 22:04.59 | pingfloyd | a good recovery strategy pretty much accounts for no matter what goes wrong but has a good RTO. This becomes even more important if say an operation doesn't have a big enough IT staff. |
| 22:05.36 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i am going to need trusted backups in case of any potential intrusion anyways to check for backdoors, etc. |
| 22:05.50 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: in this case the IT staff is just me |
| 22:05.59 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i have to do what i can alone |
| 22:06.02 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: then I wouldn't worry too much, and just keep applying security updates regularly. If you're running stable it's very unlikely you'll have issues unless you have frankensteined it. |
| 22:06.03 | bhasker | doublehp_: losetup says that the operation is invalid. inappropriate ioctl for device ... Yes I want to know if this is possible ... i know the offset but just in case i forgot |
| 22:06.05 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: no; because in many cases, the bugs can be exploited several days before the fix is published; so, if someone is trying to reach you, he will find it before ou can apply the fix. There are several hours of gap even before the autoupdate can fix the issue. |
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| 22:06.34 | bhasker | doublehp_: i am not using losetup to create device ... I am using cryptsetup on a lv |
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| 22:06.54 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: exactly my plan. i run wheezy everywhere, and only on my desktop i use some backports, but that's not as important as my servers. |
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| 22:07.16 | okee | Is there an easy way to merge pdf documents in Debian linux? |
| 22:07.22 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i am aware of that. for that case i will need other strategies too |
| 22:07.43 | doublehp_ | bhasker: i am sure losetup can list state of things. With an argument. To dig, you need a content analyser; there are few ones for crypt volumes. Just try all possible values one by one. |
| 22:07.53 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: but i think i am right in assuming that most exploits happen after the vulnerability goes public |
| 22:07.58 | doublehp_ | bhasker: but why would you loos the offset, and not the key ? |
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| 22:08.21 | doublehp_ | bhasker: cryptsetup makes internal calls to losetup |
| 22:08.26 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: there's so many factors |
| 22:08.41 | doublehp_ | bhasker: the list of loops can also be seen in /proc |
| 22:08.45 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: some places are laggy about upgrading and still do okay. |
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| 22:08.57 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: depends on who your enemies are. |
| 22:09.02 | bhasker | doublehp_: Ok I will dig around and see if losetup can find the offset inside lv volume |
| 22:09.11 | bhasker | doublehp_: thanks for the pointers |
| 22:09.20 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i know, the most important attack surface are the remotely accessible services |
| 22:09.36 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: intruders aren't even supposed to be able to access the OS directly |
| 22:09.49 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: well anything to expose to internet, you should make as secure as possible. |
| 22:09.49 | okee | It looks like I have pdftk installed, so I need to figure out how to use it. |
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| 22:10.43 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: yes, i am researching containerization and the like to isolate my web servers. already got fked once because of wordpress |
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| 22:11.13 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: or rather, because i forgot to update one of several wordpress installs. wouldn't have happened if i had automated the updates for that |
| 22:11.23 | doublehp_ | bhasker: i have removed this setup, but i did it 6 months ago (lvm + crypt), and I sware i have seen offsets in losetup -a or -l. Don't forget /proc |
| 22:12.15 | doublehp_ | bhasker: but attacking a disk with that variable will be time consuming. You will have to try every single offset (but 512 multiples are more reasonable). |
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| 22:13.46 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: btw if you have any recommendations for running probably vulnerable web apps securely other than containerization, virtual machines (which are probably not an option on my tiny VPS) and jails, i am all ears :) |
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| 22:14.24 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: make sure you isolate services |
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| 22:15.17 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: yes, but are there any methods for that other than jails and containers that i can add as additional layers without wasting too many resources? |
| 22:15.19 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: and principle of least privilege the service accounts to the backend like databases etc. |
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| 22:16.01 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: I don't usually use those |
| 22:16.13 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: you mean only give a web app a dedicated database and a user that can only access that database? |
| 22:16.17 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: what do you use? |
| 22:16.17 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: short answer: no. Long answer: stop using x86 CPUs, they are designed to have security flaws. |
| 22:16.38 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: what should i use instead? |
| 22:17.04 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: other concurrent architectures used to be much more secure. I means, concurrent by the time of ... before x86 became common. |
| 22:17.06 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: yeah, and the user that is used has no more privileges than necessary |
| 22:17.36 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: and doing things like having the database on separate system |
| 22:17.47 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: Alpha, VAX, AS400 ... |
| 22:17.52 | tremon | doublehp_: curious, what is it about the x86 architecture that makes it inherently insecure? |
| 22:18.02 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i am already doing that. but if mysql has a vuln that won't help |
| 22:18.18 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: it won't but security is all about mitigation |
| 22:18.27 | doublehp_ | tremon: the ring management. Look back at why the BSD teams first refused to port BSD for x86: they know they could not do it a secure way. |
| 22:18.52 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: it all comes down to what is at stake and how much security is practical |
| 22:19.13 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: I have some experience with AS400 and someone who develops for the things told me their security has never been broken... I am sceptical. |
| 22:19.38 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: also, those things are pretty damn expensive for tiny HDDs and high energy consumption |
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| 22:21.20 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: AS400 is secure at hardware level; this makes hardware costy; x86 was cheaper because they removed any debatable features; they only kept the computing aspect, and removed all security features;that's why x86 was designed for, by IBM, in 1981. It was a cheap CPU for end users, a CPU designed for low cost, at the price of ... almost everything else (security, flexibility, scalability, vector computing ... ) |
| 22:21.53 | mtn | no wonder it was never successful |
| 22:22.05 | sir_john_doe | mtn: what? AS400? |
| 22:22.08 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: security has a cost. In the context of today, it costs time, and the risk of being atacked. But you saved money. |
| 22:22.23 | sir_john_doe | mtn: afaik it is quite successful with large corporations |
| 22:22.24 | mtn | sir_john_doe: no, x86 :P |
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| 22:22.44 | sir_john_doe | mtn: yeah, noone bought the things... |
| 22:22.54 | doublehp_ | x86 is whidely sold; dos not mean it is apreciated. Please, define "successfull" |
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| 22:24.41 | pingfloyd | the thing you ask yourself with security is, "What's the worst case scenario, and what is the consequences and cost of it happening". Then you figure out what matches that cost in mitigating that risk. |
| 22:24.53 | sir_john_doe | is there any objective proof that AS400 is actually more secure than other systems, for reasons other than being less common and having less attack surface? |
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| 22:25.23 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: worst case is someone steals my passwords for companies i work for.. the cost of that could be pretty, pretty high |
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| 22:26.02 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: so i am willing to invest a considerable amount of time, but i can't spend a whole lot of money right now |
| 22:26.24 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: dig into design of CPU, and why low level design of CPU matters for security. Ring is the main problem with x86; but there are other aspects. |
| 22:26.36 | pingfloyd | you've also always got to take into account the weakest links, because you could spend a fortune on security just to have it become moot by a bad password policy. |
| 22:26.55 | pingfloyd | often enough expense of time and money isn't put on that end of things. |
| 22:27.35 | sir_john_doe | the weakes links are definitely web applications |
| 22:27.43 | pingfloyd | like if the information were real sensitive, they probably should have thought about requiring users to use 2 factor authentication. |
| 22:27.53 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: the first security issue is, the human factor. Or misonception of the environment. Did you remove all windows around your keyboards ? Do you perform weekly check there is no soy cam ? do you have large bandwidth jammers ? do you record all your video cams and network traffic ? |
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| 22:28.25 | pingfloyd | that's a pretty big vector that take less technical know how to compromise information |
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| 22:28.39 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: how confident are you in employees ? how are the passwordsd chosen ? what is the password recovery process ? did you pay any one to audit your security ? |
| 22:28.42 | tremon | doublehp_: could a different ring implementation have prevented heartbleed or shellshock? |
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| 22:28.51 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i have no employees right now |
| 22:28.57 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: so i only have to trust myself |
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| 22:29.06 | pingfloyd | count on that not every employee is going to protect their passwords like they should |
| 22:29.13 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: my physical security could use some improvements but it could be much worse... |
| 22:29.36 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: for the moment i am ignoring the possibility of people breaking into my house |
| 22:29.58 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: other than using luks and keeping /boot on a usb flash drive... |
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| 22:31.07 | doublehp_ | tremon: for the most famous virus: I love you, was purely based on human factor. I did not look at the details of heartbleed. But with a better ring management, dev would spend les time in fixing workarounds, and more time on the real security issues; if the dev did not have to care about stupid HW flaws, maybe they would not have writen the stupid code causing heartbleed. |
| 22:31.09 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i wouldn't trust other people with sensitive information about my stuff unless i absolutely have to... |
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| 22:31.38 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: then, LUKS is useless. |
| 22:31.44 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: that's pretty reasonable measure in most cases. Because the likelihood is it will something else that compromises the data--like being stored on some users drive on their laptop unencrypted. |
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| 22:31.52 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: how is it useless? |
| 22:32.08 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: if i give someone my password? yeah sure, so i won't. |
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| 22:32.30 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: luks only protects you against people physically taking your computer out of home. LUKS usefull only for two things: |
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| 22:32.39 | doublehp_ | - you have a laptop with valuable inforamation |
| 22:32.52 | pingfloyd | turn you computer off when you leave home at least |
| 22:32.53 | doublehp_ | - you fear robbers, or the police |
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| 22:33.13 | pingfloyd | luks won't do anything for you if they can get to it while the key is in memory |
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| 22:33.46 | sir_john_doe | it is a laptop. i ALWAYS turn it off completely when i leave for more than a minute to use the toilet... in relatively secure environments. and then i always lock the screen. |
| 22:34.12 | sir_john_doe | i fear everyone including other machines on the LAN |
| 22:34.23 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: well, you're being more careful than probably 99.9999% of the population at least. |
| 22:34.29 | sir_john_doe | even the damn TV has to be on the LAN nowdays -.- |
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| 22:35.10 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i try. i have been a software developer for some time now, but i am only gradually learning about and improving my security measures now |
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| 22:35.38 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: if clever people are to take your computer, they will try to open the case, and dump the RAM before doing power down. If they know you are using LUKS, they will come with RAM dumpers (hardwar modules to plug on the RAM to force read it; it involves unplugging the RAM, but keep on supplying power, and refreshing the banks). Once they dump it, they have your keys. |
| 22:35.47 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: since right now it is not 100% critical yet. but i expect digital security to become much more important than it is already. and i expect myself to become a more valuable target over time. |
| 22:35.48 | tremon | yeah, I'm tuning out. It's quite a stretch to say that developers of a userspace library wrote buggy code because they had to work around hardware protection features |
| 22:36.15 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: anything with sensitive information, like say a database, you probably want to have an extra secure LAN that has firewall and some access control in between. |
| 22:36.26 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i am aware of that attack. iirc the RAM loses the data after 30 seconds or so without power? |
| 22:37.24 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: deends on RAM tech; EDO used to be 30s; SDRAM is much faster; within 5s it's all lost; refresh must be done several times per sec. |
| 22:37.26 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: I use a VPN for my laptop whenever possible, disable all unneccessary services and hide whatever i can using a firewall. |
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| 22:37.41 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: but i can't set up a "secure" LAN for my laptop wherever i go |
| 22:37.56 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i will have to somehow deal with the fact that you can't trust the LAN anymore |
| 22:38.00 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: I mean like between your workstations and a server with a sensitive database |
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| 22:38.14 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: on your internal network at work |
| 22:38.16 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: that's why good computers (like Sun, Alpha ...) have a "box open" switch, that is programmable. The first thing to do when box is open is ... secure erase you RAM. |
| 22:39.09 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: employees are much lower risk, but you want it to were in order to even exploit, for instance, the database service, they would have to first establish control of the network that can even access the db. |
| 22:39.47 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: i.e. layers of security |
| 22:40.59 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: afaik that's what VPNs are for? and an attacker would have to break SSH as well. i don't expect other people to attack the LAN traffic as much as malware. |
| 22:41.30 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i expect people to have insecure windows boxes full of malware, which could easily use e.g. arp spoofing to infect other machines on a LAN |
| 22:41.41 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: you would do things like have the requirement of VPN to access the network remotely aside from maybe its web site. |
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| 22:42.12 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: some people could even attack RSA by ... just being close to a server. A teacher in EPITA (computing shcool in France) built a smart case (that you can carry with one hand) containing stuff able to record EM radiated signals from a Pentium 4 server, and prooved that just the radio parasites emited by the CPU could help cracking SSL passports. |
| 22:42.33 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: i.e. anything that require authentication from the outside, you want a VPN or make sure are done through a point to point encrypted channel of some sort. |
| 22:42.53 | pingfloyd | and strong enough |
| 22:43.02 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: yes. in this case it is easier because i only have to trust myself not to mess up too badly. noone else administrates the stuff i am responsible for. |
| 22:43.10 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: to protect servers againt this, you need to shield every single machine, and host machines in a room where only people from your company can access;it means that rooms hosting several companies, where any company can access, are at risk. |
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| 22:44.12 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: that might work for a server, but what about my laptop? |
| 22:44.27 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i can hardly carry a man-sized faraday'S cage with me |
| 22:44.39 | pingfloyd | doublehp_: if you're the NSA you can simply install a new room in the data center that mirror everything |
| 22:45.12 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: you have to design the laptop to reduce those radiations :) security at low level design. |
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| 22:45.28 | pingfloyd | but if you're the NSA you don't need to bother since you control upstream at the main exchange points. |
| 22:45.47 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: how about a jammer? |
| 22:46.22 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i expect the NSA to have access to several 0days in 99% of popular software, open source or not. |
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| 22:46.36 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: there is no such thing as jammer. Every single jammer uses stupid random number generators; with time, you find the sequence, and can compensate the noise, and recover the signal. |
| 22:46.38 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: defending against an adversary like that is.. problematic |
| 22:46.56 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: how about using a smart stupid number generator? |
| 22:47.00 | doublehp_ | only quantum generators are reliable; but they are low rate |
| 22:47.16 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: did you read about the nokia-camera-RNG? |
| 22:47.33 | doublehp_ | no |
| 22:47.36 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: here's the details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P1NA29X7Mw |
| 22:47.47 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: also, keep in mind that the keys for e.g. my VPN change every hour |
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| 22:48.25 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/quantum-random-number-generator-created-using-a-smartphone-camera-602f88552b64 |
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| 22:50.02 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: if the data is sensitive enough, you might consider OTP |
| 22:50.07 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: as long as you exploit thermal noise, I accept it as a possible good solution. |
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| 22:50.54 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: thermal noise is the source of randomness used by the french national lotery for pay as you go games (the ones with immediate win-loose) |
| 22:50.56 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: but those are pointless if my laptop is compromised? |
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| 22:51.25 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: or if the random number generated by your cam is radiated by the CPU ^^ |
| 22:51.26 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: if they get the token too |
| 22:51.35 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: but you keep that on you all the time |
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| 22:52.22 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i don't think the CPU radiation signal is very high quality in the first place. so really, even a jammer with /dev/random should make it hard enough... |
| 22:52.47 | pingfloyd | if you lose the token, you revoke it |
| 22:53.00 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: i mean, any one time passwords that pass through a computer can be sniffed and used on the computer by malware |
| 22:53.13 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: electric signal running through the copper lines of MB between CPU and RAM ... antenna effect; trivial to listen. |
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| 22:53.16 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: giving an attacker one time access, which is probably enough |
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| 22:53.28 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: if your computer is compromised |
| 22:53.34 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: nothing can protect you from that |
| 22:53.44 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: PS2 keyboards can be listen as far as 300m away (1000 feet ?) |
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| 22:53.55 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: which is the easiest way to attack most people |
| 22:53.58 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: if you have tons of access, it becomes even more imperative that the computers and devices you use are not compromised. |
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| 22:54.30 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: not bad. how about USB though? |
| 22:54.46 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i doubt USB keyboards use encryption? |
| 22:55.00 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: also, you use those as a 2-factor authentication scheme |
| 22:55.09 | doublehp_ | keyboads can also be cracked using high quality microphones (by listening to the tniy different in the sound produced by keys). Then stats tell you how to associate sounds to letters. |
| 22:55.27 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: my software is the weakest link at this point. so i will focus on hardening that first. |
| 22:55.52 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: study was made ages before USB was out. USB emits porbably smaller signal, but technology made receivers much more sensible than 20y ago :) |
| 22:55.57 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: i read a paper on that. didn't find any public software that does that *yet* |
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| 22:56.34 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: the sound attack would be even harder to defend against |
| 22:56.49 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: cracking a PS2 kbd requires a specially made radio receiver. You need to find the electronic schematics of the receiver first. |
| 22:57.19 | pingfloyd | it's not a very practical attack though |
| 22:57.20 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: but perhaps by playing random keyboard sounds through a speaker |
| 22:57.24 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: how about SDR? |
| 22:57.36 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: for more fun on this topic, search in google how to use a VGA monitor to listen to MP3 via your FM receiver; more recently, HDMI monitors can be used to generate DVB signals. |
| 22:58.15 | sir_john_doe | lol |
| 22:58.27 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: use a touch keyboard :) or a keyboard withoutkeys (like the wrist sensor designed for people without hands) |
| 22:58.42 | doublehp_ | SDR ? |
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| 22:58.56 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: touch keyboards are crap though. software defined radio. |
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| 22:59.23 | sir_john_doe | doublehp_: cheapest one is rtl-sdr.com |
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| 23:00.49 | doublehp_ | sir_john_doe: private message |
| 23:01.49 | pingfloyd | I would worry more about things like you putting all this investment into having reasonable security and some user brings a WAP from home and plugs it into the LAN all wide open. |
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| 23:03.05 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: or just a compromised windows machine |
| 23:03.16 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: thats why i said i don't trust the LAN anymore |
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| 23:03.33 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: arp spoofing still works everywhere |
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| 23:03.42 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: and iirc that attack is really old |
| 23:03.53 | pingfloyd | sir_john_doe: you don't have to go to that trouble when someone does something like that to your network. |
| 23:04.38 | teraflops | anyway arp spoofing is easy to prevent |
| 23:04.42 | sir_john_doe | pingfloyd: well, to defend against that i have to make sure my software is secure, and i am not transmitting unencrypted data |
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| 23:04.51 | pingfloyd | it happens a lot |
| 23:04.53 | sir_john_doe | teraflops: but noone prevents it |
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| 23:05.18 | teraflops | sir_john_doe: also a security update will not prevent arp spoofing |
| 23:05.26 | sir_john_doe | teraflops: no shit :D |
| 23:05.45 | sir_john_doe | teraflops: but a VPN will |
| 23:06.41 | sir_john_doe | i only have a single open port for the VPN tunnel |
| 23:07.19 | sir_john_doe | so theoretically i should not be transmitting any plain text on the LAN |
| 23:07.26 | sir_john_doe | as long as i use the VPN |
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| 23:08.43 | teraflops | sir_john_doe: srry im not interested in that conversation, no offense mate, but i think you need to go out with your friends more frequently |
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| 23:09.37 | sir_john_doe | teraflops: i acknowledged your opinion |
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| 23:12.24 | hotwings | hey fellas. every time i do update-grub, i get spammed with `no entry for device-mapper found`. anyone know whats up with that? example: http://pastebin.com/S3y3dw5Y |
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| 23:19.41 | dgeary2 | okee, pdfshuffler |
| 23:20.17 | dgeary2 | okee |
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| 23:20.37 | hotwings | another problem.. i see errors in dmesg from fat-fs, ntfs, xfs, ext4-fs about /dev/sda2.. my /dev/sda is ext4 and i have some nfs shares mounted which are xfs on my server. aside of that there is no fat or ntfs anywhere. anyone know why im seeing errors about filesystems i dont even have/use? http://pastebin.com/hJ2KXvS7 |
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| 23:21.01 | hotwings | the /dev/sda2 is a linux swap partition iirc |
| 23:21.10 | okee | dgeary2> Is that easier to use thatn pdftk? I am having trouble mounting non-linux drives in the command line, and can't find them. I want to merge pdf files in Linux, that are on my windows drive. |
| 23:22.12 | ROG3R | what is pae for |
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| 23:22.38 | hotwings | actually its not, never mind about the swap |
| 23:22.57 | ROG3R | should I install 486 or 686-pae ? |
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| 23:25.44 | dgeary2 | okee, i'm not familiar with pdftk, and a lot of 'which is better' is personal preference |
| 23:26.20 | okee | dgeary2> Pdfshuffler seems to accomplish what I was trying to do, and will access non-linux drives. Thanks. |
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| 23:28.53 | dgeary2 | ROG3R, which architecture machine do you have? likely 686-pae is more appropriate |
| 23:29.04 | okee | pdf shuffler works great, and is easy to use. |
| 23:29.08 | pingfloyd | I would avoid PAE if you can |
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