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| 01:11.20 | Kobra | like, should they be systemd, or libsystemd? |
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| 02:19.13 | sivik | anyone have any luck with using xinput to output what keys specifically is for what? |
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| 02:21.24 | huleo | hi |
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| 03:28.58 | ROG3R | how do I turn off notifications/ |
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| 03:42.12 | osram | What notifications? |
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| 03:55.15 | okee | Is there a way to print from PDF Shuffle? I tried expanding the documents to a legible size, and they are blurred. |
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| 04:06.41 | ArtVandalae | Hi all. I'm attempting to install the "ocsinventory-reports" package. apt-get install ocsinventory-reports , works. aptitude install ocsinventory-reports , doesn't work (it attempts to install both apache2-mpm-worker, and apache2-pmp-prefork, which causes a conflict). I guess the reason this occurs is apt-get and aptitude have different dependency resolution solvers/algorithms. What is the official installer tool, apt-g |
| 04:06.41 | ArtVandalae | et or aptitude? |
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| 04:09.01 | everamzah | by default aptitude selects recommended packages, whereas apt-get doesn't. |
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| 04:11.19 | ArtVandalae | thanks everamzah |
| 04:12.59 | everamzah | if you select either worker or prefork prior to selecting oscinventory-reports it won't conflict |
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| 04:37.20 | ROG3R | bash: ./p: Permission denied |
| 04:37.25 | ROG3R | why do i get this? |
| 04:37.35 | ROG3R | i try to run a script |
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| 04:39.01 | dvs | ROG3R: Because your script does not have the execute bit set? |
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| 04:40.43 | ROG3R | dvs: you mean this ... #!/bin/bash |
| 04:40.53 | dvs | ROG3R: ls -l ./p |
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| 04:42.28 | ROG3R | dvs: i did chmod 777 now works fine |
| 04:42.30 | ROG3R | thx |
| 04:42.35 | dvs | np |
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| 04:50.03 | ArtVandalae | be careful of 777. Usually you'll only need: chmod +x <file> |
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| 04:54.29 | c0ded | well isnt it dead in here tonight |
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| 05:17.20 | npssu47081 | recompiled and working :D |
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| 05:20.01 | npssu47081 | anonkun: Does the ping utility have the SUID bit set? |
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| 05:20.55 | DJ__ | Hey all can anyone help help me troubleshoot some server permissions? Semi-noob here. |
| 05:21.18 | banjo | npssu47081: ls -l /bin/ping if that your question |
| 05:21.48 | DJ__ | I'm not sure I understand? |
| 05:21.49 | elevation | would it be very hard to "pipe in" a keyboard from a different wifi device (in this case a phone) to my debian laptop ? |
| 05:22.01 | DJ__ | oh |
| 05:22.04 | DJ__ | derp, not me |
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| 05:24.16 | npssu47081 | Frostyequinox: oh boy |
| 05:24.49 | npssu47081 | So caps? |
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| 05:25.57 | npssu47081 | please wait for a staffer |
| 05:26.29 | npssu47081 | just waiting to see what goes wrong lol |
| 05:27.15 | npssu47081 | startx doesn't do anything haha |
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| 05:28.18 | npssu47081 | orthoplex64: you ask and wait :) |
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| 05:29.25 | npssu47081 | oh ok |
| 05:30.49 | jaggzt | In KDE, how would I set a shortcut to position and size a window to a certain size? |
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| 05:34.57 | rjsalts | jaggzt: you can edit the command line for the icon if the program supports a -display option or the like. Also in KDE if you go into the menu there is a place you can specify window settings |
| 05:35.05 | whitehat-hacker | how are ya |
| 05:35.10 | rjsalts | jaggzt: in the more options submenu |
| 05:35.24 | jaggzt | I want to do it on existing (running) windows |
| 05:35.26 | banjo | jaggzt: somewhere in systemadministration/keyboard/shortcuts and there for example: xterm -geometry 100x30... |
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| 05:36.25 | rjsalts | jaggzt: so go into the menu in the top left corner (by default ) of the window |
| 05:37.15 | jaggzt | I want to set it to a specific size on my screen |
| 05:38.24 | bbbbu | Thanks |
| 05:40.16 | bbbbu | can i get cloack too |
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| 05:41.39 | bbbbu | Thank you |
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| 05:49.50 | arusso_znc | Could you tell me what list of actions I should perform to get to where I want to be? I've just pushed the incomplete commit. I'd like to read the man pages to understand what's actually going to happen. |
| 05:51.45 | prajahyle | Pinchiukas: other than the ones I told you? ( git reset --hard HEAD^; git push --force ) |
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| 05:58.52 | ioURT | can i install this http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/macbuntu-1404-pack-is-released.html on debian? |
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| 06:05.42 | croddy | ioURT: that's clearly designed for unity, i don't think you will get much out of it on debian |
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| 06:16.11 | ioURT | http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Linux-Mint-Debian-Might-Not-Adopt-Systemd-468426.shtml |
| 06:16.41 | shay_shay | hello. question. I tried to "sudo rm -rf ~/.kde" but it would not let me due to directories being "not empty". of course after "telinit 2" it cooperated. my question is: why? |
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| 06:18.27 | shay_shay | there is no immutable bit on anything in Linux unless it is explicitly set, correct? |
| 06:19.37 | rjsalts | shay_shay: I don't believe there is anything with the immutable bit on by default. lsattr will tell you in any event |
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| 06:21.02 | shay_shay | oh well it couldn't be caused by that anyways because immutable bit would still be immutable no matter what runlevel I am in |
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| 06:21.27 | rjsalts | 2 is the default runlevel anyhow |
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| 06:21.52 | shay_shay | 2 isn't single user? |
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| 06:22.21 | narbeh | Is it possible to detect keylogger on a system? |
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| 06:23.57 | shay_shay | anyways nvm I must have used telinit 1 |
| 06:23.58 | rjsalts | shay_shay: nope, runlevel 1 is single user. runlevel 2-5 are multi-user. And they're all the same, unless a sysadmin has made a change deliberately |
| 06:24.11 | shay_shay | it dropped me down to root user instantly |
| 06:24.49 | ioURT | do you think that with systemd we will actually have a real system manger gui? |
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| 06:24.57 | rjsalts | shay_shay: maybe a process that was recreating a file during the rm -rf |
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| 06:25.45 | ioURT | isnt it supposed to give an error saying the file is in use? |
| 06:25.51 | shay_shay | rjsalts maybe, that makes sense |
| 06:25.55 | ioURT | like with windows |
| 06:26.10 | croddy | no, windows uses a different file locking paradigm |
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| 06:26.51 | shay_shay | ioURT no the file was deleted and then directly afterwards the directory was supposed to be removed, but before it could be it had contents already |
| 06:27.03 | ioURT | damn windows by being so modern |
| 06:27.08 | shay_shay | uh no |
| 06:27.16 | shay_shay | :) |
| 06:27.54 | shay_shay | windows has a different paradigm not a better one |
| 06:28.00 | rjsalts | ioURT: you can delete the file while it's still in use with linux |
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| 06:28.59 | rjsalts | ioURT: it unlinks the inode from the directory structure, but the file still exists with the detatched inode until the last process using it exits |
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| 06:40.57 | ROG3R | if I install a new DE do I run any risk ? |
| 06:42.00 | rjsalts | ROG3R: a risk of not liking it and having to switch back to the other one |
| 06:42.42 | ROG3R | rjsalts: thx |
| 06:44.39 | shay_shay | ROG3R KDE |
| 06:44.53 | shay_shay | do eeeet |
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| 06:47.09 | shellox | hi |
| 06:47.26 | shellox | where can i see the full debian version like 7.7 ? |
| 06:47.36 | shellox | I run wheezy and was looking in /etc/os-release |
| 06:47.38 | Cpuroast | cat /proc/version |
| 06:47.41 | Cpuroast | hmm |
| 06:47.42 | Cpuroast | no |
| 06:48.12 | Kobra | lsb_release -a |
| 06:48.37 | shellox | Kobra: is there an alternative to it :)? |
| 06:48.51 | shellox | don't want to install lsb_release first. there must be some file where it's in? |
| 06:49.02 | Kobra | well, it's part of the linux standard base, so it should already be there |
| 06:49.18 | Kobra | maybe it's in /sbin/? |
| 06:49.26 | Cpuroast | you were close |
| 06:49.37 | Kobra | what/ |
| 06:49.42 | Cpuroast | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:49.45 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 06:49.56 | Kobra | ah |
| 06:49.59 | shellox | Cpuroast: perfect, thanks |
| 06:50.10 | Kobra | for the version though, using lsb_release -r is portable |
| 06:50.44 | shellox | Kobra: yeah, i do a dynamic motd and think just reading a file should be faster than calling the binary :P |
| 06:51.04 | Kobra | eh, probably not much in it |
| 06:51.57 | Kobra | i mean, it's fractions of a second, sureley it doesn't matter if it's 0.01s instead of 0.001s |
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| 06:53.33 | rjsalts | shellox: lsb_release -a |
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| 07:10.50 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 07:11.12 | someHuman | I can't seem to find grub-update in the main repo. |
| 07:11.38 | someHuman | I am trying to update my grub so my newly installed OS gets added up to my current grub which is Debians. |
| 07:11.44 | someHuman | Debian's * |
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| 07:11.52 | someHuman | Is there another name for grub-update in Debian? |
| 07:12.04 | someHuman | I don't have it right now, and I can't find it in repos either. |
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| 07:14.11 | Epakai | there's the update-grub script, normally i just run that and do a grub-install /dev/sd* |
| 07:14.46 | someHuman | Epakai: BRB. |
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| 07:25.36 | kevc | deos anyone know how to get the source that python-dbg was built with? I've use apt-get source to get python2.7-2.7.3 but it seems the code doesn't match what's in python-dbg |
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| 07:26.15 | kevc | use bt on gdb I get shown line numbers which don't correspond to the source code in that package |
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| 07:39.30 | narbeh | What are the causes of segfault in dmesg ? |
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| 07:45.00 | kevc | narbeh: you get a segfault when running dmesg? |
| 07:45.34 | narbeh | kevc: we have e service running, it stopped everyday and the error is |
| 07:45.48 | suggestor | you mean segfault got logged to dmesg? |
| 07:45.48 | narbeh | Dec 23 05:53:49 IBSng-B kernel: [2846536.616428] IBSngStarter[24590]: segfault at 8 ip 00007fedf6fa5232 sp 00007fedad7f81a8 error 6 in libpython2.7.so.1.0[7fedf6e43000+284000 |
| 07:45.54 | narbeh | suggestor: yes |
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| 08:24.47 | ChrisH | narbeh: IBSngStarter received a SIGSEGV and terminated, most times this is caused by a programming error. If you are lucky you will find a core file which might allow the programmer to fix the problem. |
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| 08:34.07 | narbeh | ChrisH: Thank you. |
| 08:37.44 | ChrisH | narbeh: if this happens often it might be worth adding a "ulimit -c unlimited" into the start script to force writing a core file |
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| 08:38.46 | narbeh | ChrisH: is it safe? |
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| 08:41.08 | kop | The almighty dollar isn't safe and you want to know if "ulimit -c unlimited" is safe ? |
| 08:41.14 | kop | just askin ... |
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| 08:44.39 | ChrisH | narbeh: what does 'safe' mean here? |
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| 08:45.32 | narbeh | ChrisH: overall, is it okay to use that command on a busy server? |
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| 08:49.16 | ChrisH | I would do that as it's the first step to go (unless Produkt support does not offer a better solution) |
| 08:49.37 | narbeh | ChrisH: Thank you |
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| 09:02.52 | Turingi | is there a guide somewhere on how to run Debian's packages alongside with more recent versions of software? |
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| 09:03.21 | SynrGy | what's there to know? |
| 09:03.23 | ArtVandalae | Turingi, what sort of software? |
| 09:03.57 | Turingi | ArtVandale: for now I have issues with graphics drivers |
| 09:04.18 | Turingi | ArtVandale: arandr doesn't like dual monitors on my graphics card |
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| 09:04.43 | ArtVandalae | Graphics drivers, you probably have no chance |
| 09:04.49 | Turingi | ArtVandale: but I may also want to get a more recent version of xorg or kernels |
| 09:05.01 | SynrGy | which graphics card? |
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| 09:05.39 | ArtVandalae | kernel should be fine. You can use backports. |
| 09:05.50 | Turingi | SynrGy: AMD Radeon HD 7750 |
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| 09:06.09 | SynrGy | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 09:06.11 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; experimental/non-free: 1:14.12-1 |
| 09:06.23 | SynrGy | there's a backport of that. does that not work for you? |
| 09:06.38 | Turingi | SynrGy: fglrx has been horrible in my experience, I would prefer to use the open source drivers if possible |
| 09:06.51 | SynrGy | if you're on wheezy, that will be harder. |
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| 09:06.55 | SynrGy | there's no xorg backport |
| 09:07.05 | SynrGy | the only practical choice here is to move to jessie |
| 09:08.19 | Turingi | SynrGy: jessie is momentarily comparable to one of those rolling-release linux distros? i.e. fedora, arch etc. |
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| 09:12.00 | narbeh | ChrisH: Sorry, is "ulimit -c unlimited" can be applied on the fly or the server should be rebooted? |
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| 09:13.02 | AB49K | nc jumpnetwork rizon |
| 09:13.22 | AB49K | oops, sorry |
| 09:13.43 | ChrisH | narbeh edit the start script and restart the service or wait until the next crash |
| 09:14.06 | narbeh | ChrisH: okay thanks |
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| 09:16.02 | ArtVandalae | Turingi, not quite a rolling release. Jessie is currently 'testing'. It is currently 'frozen', which means (to a large degree...) only bugs are being fixed. Arch Linux is rolling. Fedora has releases (e.g. 20, 21). Fedora Rawhide (development branch) could be considered rolling. Testing/sid (unstable) could be considered rolling too, when they're not frozen. |
| 09:16.59 | ArtVandalae | Jessie is progressing nicely: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ; at this rate it might be released by the end of Jan 2015 |
| 09:17.25 | SynrGy | !rolling |
| 09:17.25 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 09:17.34 | Turingi | ArtVandalae: though Fedora will update kernel minor versions, xorg or gnome |
| 09:17.52 | ArtVandalae | Turingi, correct. That's why I use Debian ;) |
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| 09:18.02 | Aprendiz1234_ | hi all. I have setting up a server for sharing folders with samba and openldap. Login with clients is working fine but the problem is accessing to the share folders. I receive this error "NT_STATUS_PASSWORD_MUST_CHANGE" but I have to define anything about this in openldap. may be is a bug or some collision? I am using 7.6 |
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| 09:20.26 | Turingi | ArtVandalae: so jessie won't be getting any extra packages or extra features on existing packages? |
| 09:20.44 | archetech | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.47 | Turingi | ArtVandalae: relying perhaps on third-party repositories for those, I guess |
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| 09:22.20 | ArtVandalae | Turingi, see: https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html <-- see: "Changes which may be considered". But, no, it's very unlikely major version bumps will occur |
| 09:22.36 | SynrGy | Turingi: actually, the normal way a stable release grows is by backports. but backports won't appear for jessie until after the release. |
| 09:23.19 | SynrGy | in the meantime, if you need a few select things from sid, it may work now. |
| 09:23.24 | SynrGy | !tum |
| 09:23.24 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 09:23.39 | Turingi | ok, thanks ArtVandalae, SynrGy |
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| 09:24.01 | SynrGy | also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. |
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| 09:24.35 | tremon | I would advise against installing from sid. Those package versions will probably not appear in jessie, and you end up with an unsupportable mix of stable and unstable |
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| 09:25.36 | SynrGy | in general, i would agree. but each case would need to be evaluated on its own |
| 09:25.56 | SynrGy | anything that currently has a wheezy backport might reasonably be expected to eventually have a jessie backport |
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| 09:28.40 | tremon | it's the "might reasonably be expected" that gets my itch up. Until it does appear in backports, you're stuck and must constantly be wary of additional dependencies pulled in from testing (assuming you keep the deb lines) |
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| 09:29.06 | tremon | but you're right, each case is different |
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| 09:34.47 | tremon | archetech: build steps for debian normally are apt-get source, uupdate and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 09:35.06 | tremon | !tell archetech -about package recompile |
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| 09:35.57 | SynrGy | tremon: of course, there's always backporting it yourself |
| 09:36.16 | SynrGy | but i think we're done :) |
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| 09:52.17 | koko_ | hello |
| 09:52.42 | koko_ | how can know frequency of a application ? |
| 09:52.57 | koko_ | with top i can know memory |
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| 09:56.37 | iveevue | Frequency? |
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| 09:59.51 | Didierlafleche | Bonjour |
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| 10:01.38 | koko_ | iveevue: Yes freqency |
| 10:01.55 | iveevue | koko_, define "frequency" |
| 10:03.19 | koko_ | when some application run , it's consume some memory |
| 10:03.48 | koko_ | i think that it's consume also frequency from processor |
| 10:03.55 | koko_ | right ? |
| 10:04.37 | koko_ | i want to know when i run an application , i could calculate frequency consumed |
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| 10:05.54 | iveevue | koko_, top will show CPU usage percentage |
| 10:06.08 | koko_ | yeah |
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| 10:09.59 | sgo11 | hi, I am using encrypted private home directory with ecryptfs. Everything was OK before I enable samba share server. Now, my home directory get auto umounted everytime the samba share directory was visited. how can I stop this auto umount? any ideas? |
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| 10:10.56 | sgo11 | there is one way: just remove ~/.ecryptfs/auto-umount file. but it's not a good workaround, it will also stop auto-umount private directory when shutdown or logout. |
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| 10:44.04 | bytecounter | Hi @all. I want to change the datadir of the mysql server to another partition. I mount it with defaults-option, but mysql fails in case of missing access to datadir. But user,group and mods (700) seems ok |
| 10:44.32 | bytecounter | If I try to touch a file by mysql-user (su -l mysql; touch test) it works fine |
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| 10:46.10 | ChrisH | bytecounter: at least that should work. Did you copy the files from the old datadir into the new one? If yes, how? |
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| 10:48.44 | bytecounter | I copied them by cp, but I am sure, that is not the problem. I have the same problem on my eclipse work dir |
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| 10:49.32 | bytecounter | I have access to the dir, but eclipse didn't start because it cannot create a tempdir in the project path |
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| 10:52.07 | ChrisH | bytecounter: please show ls -ld for all directories involved. eg. if /var/lib/mysql is datadir, I would like to see ls -ld / /var /var/lib/ /var/lib/mysql/ /var/lib/mysql/* and if possible old-datadir |
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| 10:54.08 | ChrisH | bytecounter: on paste.debian.net please |
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| 10:55.04 | bytecounter | Ok, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/138457/ |
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| 10:55.42 | bytecounter | Just a moment..I forgot new data dir |
| 10:55.52 | ChrisH | bytecounter: please dfine datadir and old-datadir |
| 10:56.01 | Amnesia | question, how can I get a list of packages that come out of a specific apt repository? |
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| 10:56.43 | bytecounter | http://paste.debian.net/138458/ |
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| 10:59.19 | Panikku | hello |
| 10:59.41 | crutchy | Amnesia, i use synaptic |
| 11:00.18 | crutchy | there's an origin filter |
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| 11:01.21 | Amnesia | hm, I'm looking for a way to do it with dpkg || apt-get actually |
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| 11:01.23 | Amnesia | ty though:) |
| 11:01.59 | Amnesia | doubt it's possible though:) |
| 11:02.02 | crutchy | hmm. prolly some piped grep thing |
| 11:02.18 | ChrisH | bytecounter: still open questions are: 1. what is datadir and what is old-datadir 2. at least one directory is missing /var/local/lib/ |
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| 11:02.38 | crutchy | Amnesia, i'm pretty sure it would be possible. anything is possible :D |
| 11:03.08 | Amnesia | hm, I'll do some research ^.^ |
| 11:03.38 | crutchy | there's a bash guru debian chick in the other network where i hang out. if she's around i'll run it by her |
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| 11:04.03 | Amnesia | ty |
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| 11:06.00 | crutchy | initial off the bat response: "not really there's probably some weird foo with apt-cache or dpkg" |
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| 11:06.08 | crutchy | :p |
| 11:06.30 | bytecounter | Sorry, here the complete data http://paste.debian.net/138460/ |
| 11:06.31 | Amnesia | thought so ^.^ |
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| 11:08.04 | crutchy | maybe something along the lines of dpkg -s {package} | grep {foo} |
| 11:08.15 | crutchy | http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/linux/dpkg-cheat-sheet.php |
| 11:08.46 | crutchy | hmm nah sorry that's not right |
| 11:08.50 | ChrisH | bytecounter: |
| 11:08.59 | Amnesia | crutchy: I'll write a simple script that does it:) |
| 11:09.25 | crutchy | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10220/listing-packages-in-debian-a-la-dpkg-l-but-including-the-package-origin-sou |
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| 11:10.09 | crutchy | maybe apt-show-versions |
| 11:10.18 | crutchy | ew... awk |
| 11:10.21 | Amnesia | :) |
| 11:10.22 | crutchy | chunders |
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| 11:11.37 | ChrisH | bytecounter: OK. I would agree that the filesystem permissions look fine. I assume you did stop the DB while copying. I would retry the steps as follows. 1. ensure the DB is stopped 2. cleanout /var/local/lib/mysql 3. copy via tar (or rsync): cd /var/lib/mysql ; tar cpSf - . | ( cd /var/local/lib/mysql ; tar xvpSf - ) 4. start mysql |
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| 11:17.35 | bytecounter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:19.03 | bytecounter | InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to |
| 11:19.03 | bytecounter | InnoDB: the directory. |
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| 11:23.30 | bakaseki | success |
| 11:23.43 | marlinc | Where can I get documentation for the wpa-ssid options etc |
| 11:23.55 | Panikku | so #debian, who here is vanilla and who here is distro of debian |
| 11:23.58 | marlinc | A list of all wireless related ones |
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| 11:29.12 | tremon | marlinc: I don't have a machine with wpa_supplicant installed to check, but man wpa_supplicant.conf says to see the examples in /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 11:29.35 | marlinc | Ah so it is wpa_supplicant, thank you very much :) |
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| 11:31.11 | marlinc | What's the software that actually reads the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 11:31.27 | tremon | that's ifupdown |
| 11:31.48 | marlinc | Ah and wpa_supplicant hooks into ifupdown? |
| 11:32.58 | tremon | it's the other way around, ifupdown supports multiple different network setups, including wireless via wpa_supplicant and software bridging via bridge-utils |
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| 11:34.16 | marlinc | Ah |
| 11:34.35 | marlinc | Okay cool thanks, I was curious about how the internals actually worked |
| 11:35.08 | crutchy | Panikku, i'm vanilla wheezy/jessie with xfce or gnome (classic) |
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| 11:35.19 | crutchy | (multiple boxes |
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| 11:36.34 | ChrisH | bytecounter: BTW, why do you not simply mount the new partition onto the expected location? |
| 11:37.49 | Panikku | crutchy, i'm crunchbang (at the moment) but will change to SqueezePop (debian wheezy with openbox) |
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| 11:38.48 | peterrooney | Panikku: ideally, all here are "vanilla" |
| 11:38.55 | peterrooney | dpkg: based on debian |
| 11:38.56 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 11:47.22 | bakaseki | help, i've accidentally installed gnome instead of kde |
| 11:47.23 | bakaseki | :( |
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| 11:50.12 | EriC^^ | bakaseki: reinstall it |
| 11:50.22 | bakaseki | noway man |
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| 11:51.02 | bakaseki | dist-upgrade was already a trial |
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| 11:51.22 | EriC^^ | bakaseki: what do you mean? |
| 11:51.27 | vizzy | hi, can someone confirm that libutvideo14.2.1 - Ut Video Codec Suite library creates a directory /usr/lib/* with a dead symlink? |
| 11:51.56 | EriC^^ | bakaseki: do you have ppa's installed? |
| 11:52.44 | bakaseki | it's just that i don't want to go trough installing things again |
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| 11:55.47 | incal_ | in C, if I fork another process and then assign it a program, how can I stop it immediately but still have it "all done"? if I send the stop signal from the parent immediately, it is stopped but it didn't get time to setup (it is refered to as the parent's name on ps -o comm for example), on the other hand, if I in the parent sleep for 1 second, it gets everything only then it executes for 1 second and that |
| 11:55.54 | incal_ | 's like an infinity here |
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| 11:58.42 | bytecounter | It is the same problem... |
| 11:59.26 | bytecounter | I have no ieda what could be the reason for this. It is very strange |
| 11:59.33 | tremon | incal_: try asking #c |
| 11:59.36 | ChrisH | bytecounter: and with the original data still start? |
| 12:00.03 | bytecounter | Only, if it is on the same partition as / |
| 12:00.27 | bytecounter | Same problem with eclipse. |
| 12:00.48 | bytecounter | I can create/remove folders and files. But eclipse cannot |
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| 12:01.06 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 12:04.37 | darxmurf | what would you use to replace an actual NIS installation on a debian based installation ? around 20 "client" computers, 3 storage server. Everybody can use clients computers and ppl have 1 or more folders on storages servers that should be auto mounted when the guy logon on the computer |
| 12:05.01 | darxmurf | LDAP+Kerberos ? |
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| 12:08.47 | ChrisH | darxmurf: given you currently use NIS and thats considered enough security, I would go for LDAP without Kerberos, unless you already have AD infrastructure you can connect to. |
| 12:11.21 | darxmurf | well, I don't really need kerberos but it can be a good training for me as I never installed it :) |
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| 12:12.09 | darxmurf | and the actual NIS has been installed few years ago and more-less with default settings :-/ |
| 12:12.20 | darxmurf | the guy who installed that is gone |
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| 12:14.51 | ChrisH | darxmurf: kerberos can be tricky and difficult to debug if it does not work. not like nis: dump the table, vi the plain text and recreate the map |
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| 12:17.57 | kestasjk | hi, on FreeBSD pwcview is a handy tool for doing command line webcam motion detection, any ideas on how that sort of thing works in linux? |
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| 12:19.01 | crutchy | bakaseki, i've changed de's on a whim. i generally just use synaptic |
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| 12:19.17 | crutchy | can even have gnome and kde together if you feeling brave :p |
| 12:19.33 | bakaseki | i know |
| 12:19.37 | bakaseki | but i don't wanna be brave |
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| 12:19.49 | bakaseki | i wanna watch a movie while eating pumpkin seeds |
| 12:19.57 | crutchy | err |
| 12:20.04 | crutchy | oky doky :D |
| 12:20.39 | kestasjk | thats what we all want |
| 12:20.45 | kestasjk | but I want that movie to be of the guy whos parking in my spot |
| 12:20.52 | kestasjk | so I need some kind of motion detecting package |
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| 12:22.10 | crutchy | https://www.debian-administration.org/article/347/An_Introduction_to_Video_Surveillance_with_%27Motion%27 |
| 12:22.20 | crutchy | you might have already seen it |
| 12:22.38 | crutchy | i just googled for $h1ts and giggles |
| 12:22.42 | rgr | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=motion+detection+linux&t=debian |
| 12:22.47 | rgr | yeah, as he could have too. |
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| 12:23.10 | ChrisH | bytecounter: Please paste me: ls -ld / ; df -h ; dmesg | tail -50 |
| 12:23.13 | crutchy | sudo apt-get install motion |
| 12:23.21 | kestasjk | I did at the same time, but I like to post here in case someone has a better recommendation |
| 12:23.42 | kestasjk | the package at the top of google is not always the best |
| 12:24.17 | crutchy | kestasjk, use http://paste.ofcode.org/ |
| 12:24.58 | darxmurf | ChrisH: tricky but interesting too... as the actual installation is quite dirty, it can be good to make something clean |
| 12:25.15 | crutchy | oops gots my wires crossed there |
| 12:25.16 | kestasjk | crutchy: I presume you mean ChrisH use http://paste.ofcode.org/ |
| 12:25.27 | crutchy | :p |
| 12:26.42 | crutchy | yeah sorry. i just read without looking to much at the nicks |
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| 13:05.27 | kestasjk | ugh motion works except when in daemon mode, and leaves nothing in /var/log |
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| 13:20.25 | kestasjk | chown motion -R /tmp/motion/ # FYI |
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| 13:30.30 | abcd593 | Hi. I try to enable a simple load-balancing in nginx like this: On s1.example.com I put upstream backend { server s1.example.com; server s2.example.com; } in /etc/nginx/sites-available/my.site ... and then server { location / { proxy_pass http://backend;} } . In dns I have s.example.com that points on s1.example.com . s1 and s2 have different index.html. Now I try to test load-balancing and call curl http://s.example.com . I expect to see |
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| 13:37.32 | VectorMan2000 | abcd593:hi |
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| 13:42.10 | ChrisH | abcd593: I have no idea of nginx what why whould s1 forward a request to s2 if the request could be answered from local resources? |
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| 13:56.08 | ompaul | abcd593: I would be in #nginx asking that - it does already seem you are there |
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| 13:56.22 | abcd593 | they are silent |
| 13:56.28 | ompaul | As are we. |
| 13:57.04 | abcd593 | I mainly want to know whether I test the right way... |
| 13:57.31 | abcd593 | this part is not that much nginx specific... |
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| 13:57.54 | abcd593 | curl http://s.example.com or smth. else? |
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| 13:58.26 | ompaul | it is nginx specific because it does things a lot differently from apache |
| 13:58.44 | ompaul | firstly before you "balance" do you see both sites? |
| 13:58.53 | abcd593 | yes |
| 13:58.55 | ChrisH | abcd593: I would prepare a paste containuing the config. a curl -v s1/s2 and several curl -v s |
| 13:58.57 | abcd593 | s1 and s2 |
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| 13:59.39 | ompaul | that's not an answer and btw you mention a config for s. and s1 and then s1 and s2 does this have something to do with your question |
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| 14:03.35 | ChrisH | ompaul,abcd593 I refered to "I put upstream backend { server s1.example.com; server s2.example.com; }" |
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| 14:14.59 | VectorMan2000 | hhowdy |
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| 14:16.42 | ompaul | and so it ended there |
| 14:16.47 | ompaul | no further information forthcoming |
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| 14:20.34 | VectorMan2000 | hi |
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| 14:20.39 | bsdbeard | Has anyone else experienced problems when configuring and compiling OpenFP? It says fftw3 is not installed, but according to dpkg it is |
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| 14:21.30 | abrotman | the development headers? |
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| 14:22.02 | abrotman | bsdbeard: the development headers? |
| 14:22.05 | bsdbeard | oh I'll try getting libfftw3-dev |
| 14:22.10 | bsdbeard | abrotman, thanks |
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| 14:22.18 | abrotman | Yes, that's the goal there .. |
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| 14:22.35 | asdf___ | hi there, I have just performed a netinstall from the jessie b2 iso, but I'm unable to type anything in for my encryption pass, yet the keyboard works fine in BIOS/grub, is this a common issue? |
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| 14:24.07 | bsdbeard | great, now it says fatal error: event.h: No such file or directory :( |
| 14:24.20 | bsdbeard | I wonder what header it's looking for |
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| 14:26.52 | ArtVandalae | asdf___, when typing the encryption-key (beyond the POST screen, but before your desktop/shell login prompt), it most likely will *not* echo back (provide feedback) that you've entered text. So, type your password away and hit enter |
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| 14:41.51 | dermannemann | hi all |
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| 14:42.19 | dermannemann | Need help !!!!! |
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| 14:42.46 | babilen | dpkg: ask |
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| 14:43.18 | dermannemann | A BIG PROBLEM! |
| 14:43.23 | dermannemann | its with our company |
| 14:43.29 | dermannemann | I rebooted the XEN server. |
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| 14:43.40 | dermannemann | Now one vm couldnt be started ! |
| 14:43.58 | dermannemann | XEN server says unable to find partition with bootloader |
| 14:44.09 | dermannemann | Dec 29, 2014 3:39:49 PM Error: Starting VM 'pbgweb1' - The bootloader for this VM returned an error -- did the VM installation succeed? Unable to find partition containing kernel |
| 14:44.14 | harmaahylje | maybe you should go to XEN support channel |
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| 14:44.36 | dermannemann | No its debian problem |
| 14:44.38 | dermannemann | with grub! |
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| 14:45.38 | harmaahylje | My suggestion, put your information in a pastebin and show it around |
| 14:45.41 | petn-randall | dermannemann: Show us the error, our crystal ball is out for repairs. |
| 14:45.55 | dermannemann | Dec 29, 2014 3:39:49 PM Error: Starting VM 'pbgweb1' - The bootloader for this VM returned an error -- did the VM installation succeed? Unable to find partition containing kernel |
| 14:46.08 | dermannemann | More i cant see! |
| 14:46.29 | _wiz_ | hi! i'm libzip upstream. i've given feedback on three debian bug reports for libzip but got no response for months. what's the best way to proceed? |
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| 14:47.00 | petn-randall | dermannemann: Show us the error from the bootloader. |
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| 14:47.21 | dermannemann | i cant see the error |
| 14:48.01 | petn-randall | dermannemann: Then we can't help you. |
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| 14:51.11 | Xeago_ | my apt-get update and apt-cache show segfault |
| 14:51.19 | Xeago_ | any known bugs? |
| 14:51.42 | dermannemann | STOP STOP STOP! |
| 14:51.44 | dermannemann | NOW I SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:51.51 | dermannemann | Debian blinking cursor after grub load |
| 14:52.40 | dermannemann | It says booting the kernel |
| 14:53.25 | harmaahylje | lucky day |
| 14:53.38 | harmaahylje | now just never touch it again and hope for the best :) |
| 14:53.40 | Stummi | Xeago_, which version? |
| 14:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | happy days indeed |
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| 14:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xeago_, bugs.debian.org should know ... is this unstable? most likely cause is when you're mixing distributions in some way, though |
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| 14:55.07 | dermannemann | Hey People |
| 14:55.10 | dermannemann | Please help me okay :9 |
| 14:55.11 | dermannemann | :) |
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| 14:56.06 | dermannemann | HELP HELP HELP! |
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| 14:56.35 | bsdbeard | dermannemann, everyone is celebrating the hollidays |
| 14:56.40 | bsdbeard | too drunk to IRC |
| 14:57.20 | petn-randall | dermannemann: Please be patient, writing "HELP HELP HELP" in all caps won't get you any help in here. |
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| 14:57.57 | dvs | petn-randall: WHY? WHY? WHY? |
| 14:58.14 | mtn | heh |
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| 14:58.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | _wiz_, as nobody answered here (maybe the wrong time with the just not the right people here), you could also try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net ... it's actually meant for people having questions on making debian packages for distribution... but that should be the people who can suggest something. My guess... it's a holiday time... so if you gave recent feedback, give it some time... else, possibly https://wiki.debian.org/NonMaintainerUpload |
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| 14:58.32 | ArtVandalae | Xeago_, what happens when you strace apt-get update/apt-cache show... at what sort of statement does it segfault? |
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| 15:00.23 | _wiz_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I'll try oftc. (The feedback was in August.) |
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| 15:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | _wiz_, just out of interest... what bugreports were those? |
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| 15:05.59 | _wiz_ | for example https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691310 |
| 15:06.24 | mindjiver | Xeago_: here.. |
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| 15:06.44 | Xeago_ | so our apt is apt 1.0.1ubuntu2 for amd64 compiled on Oct 28 2014 20:55:14 â················· |
| 15:07.04 | Xeago_ | we're in a schroot for unstable-amd64-trusty |
| 15:07.21 | Xeago_ | by running sbuild |
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| 15:07.34 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 15:07.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 15:07.40 | ompaul | just saying |
| 15:08.05 | Xeago_ | for squeeze, following https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674951 has been successful, |
| 15:08.34 | Xeago_ | it is only a ubuntu schroot, I can ask there too if that's wished |
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| 15:10.20 | Xeago_ | ArtVandalae: http://hastebin.com/awireyumoy is the last so many lines from strace |
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| 15:16.52 | ArtVandalae | Looking for this line: open("blahblahblah") = 5 <--- what's the value seen instead of "blahblahblah"? |
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| 15:17.27 | ArtVandalae | Xeago_, ^^ |
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| 15:19.12 | Xeago_ | I did not replace anything |
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| 15:19.46 | Xeago_ | or do you mean in the whole strace? |
| 15:19.55 | ArtVandalae | the output I'm looking for is not in the pastebin. It's in your terminal scrollback/buffer |
| 15:20.02 | ArtVandalae | yes, I need more of the strace |
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| 15:30.39 | Xeago_ | ArtVandalae: coming up, just a moment |
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| 15:32.18 | Xeago_ | https://gist.github.com/Xeago/5e64117ca4b70afdd803 |
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| 15:33.39 | mtn | Xeago_: you should really go to the ubuntu channel for help with ubuntu problems |
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| 15:34.52 | dsads | Hi people! |
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| 15:35.39 | ArtVandalae | Xeago_, '''open("/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin.I5q7HA", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0600) = 5''' <--- try to clear/purge your apt cache, refresh, and then try again |
| 15:35.53 | Xeago_ | you mean rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* ? |
| 15:35.55 | Xeago_ | done that |
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| 15:36.16 | mtn | ArtVandalae: you are welcome to join Xeago_ in the ubuntu channel, if you wish to support ubuntu problems |
| 15:36.18 | dsads | I need help |
| 15:36.26 | mtn | !ask |
| 15:36.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:36.31 | dsads | After grub loading |
| 15:36.35 | dsads | the debian cursor is blinking ! |
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| 15:36.52 | dsads | it blink make blink blink blink |
| 15:37.08 | ArtVandalae | mtn, I was just about to tell Xeago_ that Ubuntu isn't Debian |
| 15:37.18 | mtn | dsads: which version of debian and which video card do you use? |
| 15:37.21 | ompaul | dsads: version, new install, upgrade, something else |
| 15:37.26 | waqstar | When running service networking restart, it prompts to say this is now depricated, and does not bring up my default interface. What should I be using instead? |
| 15:37.34 | dsads | i use debian wheezy 32bit |
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| 15:37.42 | dsads | and it was hosted on XEN |
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| 15:37.49 | dsads | XEN told me: couldnt find bootloader partition |
| 15:38.01 | dsads | i migrated to hyper v, (there i see grub) but it says a blinking cursor. |
| 15:38.13 | waqstar | Also, how can I edit iptables rules? Where is the config file for this? |
| 15:38.22 | ArtVandalae | Xeago_, try: apt-get clean. And that's it from me. As stated, try #ubuntu, Debian and Ubuntu are definitely diverging |
| 15:38.38 | ompaul | have diverged |
| 15:38.48 | ompaul | years ago :) |
| 15:38.58 | Xeago_ | ArtVandalae: ok, will do thanks |
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| 15:39.42 | ArtVandalae | ompaul, definitely :) I mean even further. Ubuntu ~2004 is less different to Debian ~2004, than Ubuntu/Debian today |
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| 15:44.40 | ArtVandalae | waqstar, if you're looking for something like /etc/sysconfig/iptables (or similar, as found in RHEL distros), see: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 15:44.48 | ArtVandalae | anyway, I'm off. 2:45AM here :) |
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| 15:45.40 | waqstar | ArtVandalae: made a file in network/if-pre-up.d to restore from file. seems like the best way to do it. |
| 15:45.42 | Tenkawa | is there a way to boot the debian installer from within a win 8.1 environ? |
| 15:46.12 | waqstar | im curious why service networking restart does not bring all interfaces back up? |
| 15:46.16 | Tenkawa | (trying to figure out how to do this with bios extensions gettihngs in the way) |
| 15:46.35 | ompaul | waqstar: start with this ifconfig -a |
| 15:46.36 | Tenkawa | waqstar: is it listed as auto? |
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| 15:46.43 | ompaul | do you see the interface |
| 15:47.07 | Tenkawa | (secure boot is not my friend) |
| 15:48.23 | waqstar | Tenkawa: nope its not auto, its default i.e. allow-hotplug |
| 15:48.50 | waqstar | and ompaul yes, i can see it |
| 15:49.27 | waqstar | every time i do service networking restart, it brings it down but not back up, so i have to locally do ifup eth0 |
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| 15:50.23 | Tenkawa | I think you still need an auto stanza |
| 15:50.31 | someHuman | Hi |
| 15:50.37 | waqstar | hmm |
| 15:50.46 | Tenkawa | if you want it to bring up on its owndont you? |
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| 15:50.53 | waqstar | but why is service networking restart deprecated? |
| 15:51.15 | Tenkawa | that part I couldnt even phantom a guess |
| 15:51.27 | Tenkawa | without some readimg |
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| 15:52.47 | waqstar | Tenkawa: this is what I run: |
| 15:52.47 | waqstar | root@kali:~# service networking restart |
| 15:52.49 | waqstar | [warn] Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 15:52.54 | Cooleshov | ÐевÑÑнки еÑÑÑ? |
| 15:52.58 | waqstar | very weird... |
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| 15:54.22 | waqstar | Tenkawa: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565187 |
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| 15:55.22 | mtn | waqstar: which version of debian? |
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| 15:56.16 | waqstar | mtn: is kali, based on debian, 3.14-kali1-amd64 kern |
| 15:56.21 | Tenkawa | whew |
| 15:56.24 | mtn | !kali |
| 15:56.24 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 15:56.33 | Tenkawa | ok secure boot is now off |
| 15:56.41 | waqstar | lol |
| 15:56.54 | someHuman | Is it just me or is Debian's default font feel old? |
| 15:56.56 | Tenkawa | just got to figure out why I cant get anything to boot yrt |
| 15:57.05 | someHuman | It somehow annoys me IMHO. |
| 15:57.07 | waqstar | i see, but this issue is also in core deb installs. i will try find a resource. |
| 15:57.09 | Tenkawa | someHuman: thats one I thing I like about it |
| 15:57.17 | someHuman | Tenkawa: You like old? |
| 15:57.20 | Sh3r1ff | waqstar: not sure, but i think it has something to do with that the interfaces are controlled by gnome network manager |
| 15:57.40 | waqstar | Sh3r1ff: removed gnome as soon as i installed it |
| 15:57.45 | Tenkawa | someHuman: I "am" old |
| 15:57.48 | waqstar | including networtk mananger |
| 15:57.57 | someHuman | Tenkawa: Ah |
| 15:58.04 | Tenkawa | hehehe |
| 15:58.26 | mtn | kali is not supported in this channel |
| 15:58.42 | someHuman | Anyone knows where I can download nice fonts for Debian/ |
| 15:58.44 | someHuman | ?* |
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| 15:59.08 | mtn | someHuman: yes, use the package manager ;) |
| 15:59.18 | Tenkawa | now to figure out how to get debian installed on this machine I have sitting over here |
| 15:59.34 | Tenkawa | I feel like I'm so close |
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| 16:00.57 | waqstar | mtn: i get that but this isnt a kali specific problem. from the bug report there are absuletly stupid recommendations, from an OS point of view |
| 16:01.17 | mtn | waqstar: well, go ask in the correct channel ;) |
| 16:02.00 | waqstar | mtn: and which is that for this particualr issue? with core debian installations being affected |
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| 16:02.08 | mtn | !kali |
| 16:02.08 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:02.23 | waqstar | *facepalm* ok |
| 16:02.33 | mtn | waqstar: I assume you can read and understand that :P |
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| 16:03.24 | waqstar | mtn: think so. so youre saying go ask on kali chanel, when it is effecting deb installs... |
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| 16:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | waqstar, for the thing happening in debian... it just seems to work much better if you do a stop followed by a start... that has been the case for ages and I think that was why the warning has been added at some point |
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| 16:04.42 | waqstar | CutMeOwnThroat: Yep, now I must issue stop and start at the same time to restart. I personally think there should be a restart option in this. |
| 16:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | waqstar, and yes... hitting the point where something based on debian deviates from debian is very frustrating for askers and askees and so we just generally avoid running into the situation |
| 16:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there's about a gazillion distributions based on debian... we'd hardly get to answer questions on actual debian if they all asked here |
| 16:05.53 | Tenkawa | is there a way to boot the debian installer from within windows itself? |
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| 16:06.26 | waqstar | CutMeOwnThroat: i get that, but its affecting debian as a whole. Even the core debian installs. so therefore should be addressed here. the restart aspect anyway |
| 16:06.38 | ompaul | Tenkawa: I guess if you ran some kind of virtual installer yes what do you want to do - kill windows or something else? |
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| 16:07.36 | Tenkawa | I was hoping to have something stage and boot the installer kernel so I wont have to keep fighting this bios |
| 16:07.36 | waqstar | CutMeOwnThroat: should be out in the latest release as it will use systemctl? but lets not talk about that. :p |
| 16:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | waqstar, not really... if you think that behavior should be different, you can write a bug-report on the debian package... but then, the default init system will change from init.d to systemd in jessie anyway, so it will change anyway and there seems little point to that |
| 16:08.00 | ompaul | Tenkawais what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:08.27 | ompaul | Tenkawais the phrase keep fighting this bios has inspired that last question |
| 16:08.43 | Tenkawa | ompaul: install on a tablet that uses uefi |
| 16:08.44 | waqstar | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, thats why I didnt. as no one will care now |
| 16:08.52 | ompaul | Tenkawa: what processor? |
| 16:09.08 | Tenkawa | ompaul: quad intel bay trail |
| 16:09.14 | Tenkawa | aka atom |
| 16:09.23 | ompaul | Tenkawa: how big a disk |
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| 16:09.36 | Tenkawa | 32gb |
| 16:09.38 | babaw | hey guys |
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| 16:09.53 | babaw | i just installed updates and a new kernel was installed that doesnt boot correctly under xen |
| 16:09.58 | babaw | how can i remove the kernel? |
| 16:09.59 | ompaul | Tenkawa: turn off eufi and tell the box that it can use dos methods for installing |
| 16:10.48 | Tenkawa | ompaul: the secure boot is turned off however this phoenix bios is pretty stripped down otherwise |
| 16:10.58 | ompaul | Tenkawa: you may also find a marker that says "use windows 8 only" |
| 16:11.01 | waqstar | CutMeOwnThroat: hah, just learned that it uses ifup -a to start at the end of the restart cycle, so if you dont include auto it does not start it. |
| 16:11.09 | Tenkawa | let me fire it back up |
| 16:11.14 | waqstar | ill end the rant now. sorry mtn |
| 16:11.59 | ompaul | Tenkawa: I install on modern boxes a lot of the time - and I've been just making sure the disks are sata and the windows 8 option is off then it all goes swimmingly |
| 16:12.37 | someHuman | Anyone using the "Embedded Terminal" plugin in gedit in Debian? |
| 16:12.46 | someHuman | I barely can see shit. |
| 16:12.47 | someHuman | It |
| 16:12.51 | someHuman | How do I change it |
| 16:12.57 | someHuman | How do I change it's properties? |
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| 16:13.21 | Tenkawa | ahh haa... got it to at least show the usb device this time |
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| 16:13.27 | someHuman | Background is white and font is light grey (almost the same as the background). |
| 16:13.34 | babaw | any idea how to uninstall kernels? |
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| 16:13.53 | Tenkawa | hmm |
| 16:14.00 | Tenkawa | getting closer |
| 16:14.23 | Tenkawa | can tell secureboot/uefi isnt messing with me now |
| 16:14.39 | Tenkawa | now just need to figure out this majorly stripped down bios |
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| 16:15.10 | someHuman | This is what I get: https://mediacru.sh/gVp5d9psxjbr |
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| 16:16.40 | ledufakademy | hello |
| 16:16.59 | chendry | i'm trying to get Debian installed on a macbook without a wired connection, but the installer can't seem to find the firmware that I put on the USB drive. Any suggestions on troubleshooting this? |
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| 16:19.57 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell chendry about installer firmware |
| 16:20.44 | ChrisH | chendry: I am unsure if WIFI adapters with WPA WLAN work during installation meanwhile. |
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| 16:20.58 | ledufakademy | hi everybody, can you advise an irc channel dedicated to network security ? |
| 16:21.09 | ledufakademy | (serious channel) |
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| 16:23.25 | Tenkawa | wow this fdisk/cgpt work is getting ugly |
| 16:23.34 | chendry | ChrisH: interesting -- that's the instructions I was going by... I've tried placing the loose firmware files on the USB stick, and tried extracting the tarball to both the root and /firmware directories on the USB stick and still no-go |
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| 16:24.42 | phroziac | hai, im running jessie and my laptop locks up when i try to resume it from a suspend. if i push the caps lock key the caps lock light does not turn on, so its not just a display issue. |
| 16:24.51 | phroziac | not sure what i can do about it |
| 16:25.01 | Tenkawa | well it definitely wants mbr and not gpt |
| 16:25.09 | Tenkawa | that I think I have determined |
| 16:25.23 | mtn | phroziac: it is likely a video driver issue |
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| 16:25.43 | phroziac | ok |
| 16:25.49 | phroziac | thank you |
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| 16:26.31 | mtn | phroziac: also, jessie/sid has its own channel. #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 16:28.07 | phroziac | ok |
| 16:28.28 | phroziac | dials up |
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| 16:29.16 | Tenkawa | interesting... |
| 16:29.22 | Tenkawa | just got the efi shell up |
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| 16:33.17 | Tenkawa | so close.... |
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| 16:34.35 | ChrisH | chendry: there is a link to fimware enabled netinst images. try one of them |
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| 16:35.13 | Tenkawa | now that I've gotten more out of this phoenix bios... |
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| 16:35.47 | Tenkawa | heehee |
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| 16:36.40 | Tenkawa | this is making this even more fun :) |
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| 16:38.13 | ChrisH | chendry: have you checked http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook ? ask the bot about macbook like /msg dpkg macbook |
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| 16:40.43 | chendry | ChrisH: aye, I have not gone through that yet. I'll start there -- thank you! |
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| 16:42.55 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 16:43.04 | Tenkawa | figured out what I have to do |
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| 16:43.22 | Tenkawa | I need to get a mmc staged properly to boot and install with |
| 16:43.35 | Tenkawa | how painful is that nowadays in debian? |
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| 16:45.25 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: depends on whether your hardware can boot from mmc at all? |
| 16:45.49 | HebusLeTroll | Hello, i've installed cups but since i can't find any driver for my printer i want to remove it, but when i do aptitude remove cups it asks me if i want to remove some packages and let other dependant packages unresolved. I'd like to remove all cups related stuff and i'm not sure how to do it |
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| 16:45.58 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: that part is already set to go |
| 16:45.59 | ChrisH | What does mmc mean? |
| 16:46.14 | Tenkawa | I need to "structure" my card |
| 16:46.21 | mtn | HebusLeTroll: you don't need or want to remove cups, not if you want to do any printing |
| 16:46.21 | Tenkawa | from this linux box |
| 16:46.43 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: why can't you just copy the installer .iso to it and boot? |
| 16:46.49 | ChrisH | MMC as the stuff be had before SD-Cards? |
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| 16:47.05 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: I wondered the same thing... |
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| 16:47.16 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: debian-installer is hybrid image these days, bootable from usb |
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| 16:47.21 | Tenkawa | let me try it with one more attempt |
| 16:47.28 | HebusLeTroll | mtn: i wont do any printing since there no drivers for my printer. And i'd like to remove this useless stuff since i have limited system space (os is on little usb key) |
| 16:47.56 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: just cp foo.iso /dev/whole-disk-device |
| 16:48.06 | Tenkawa | yeah I'm going to try |
| 16:48.28 | Tenkawa | its one of these 64 bit hardware boxes where they arent using most of its capabilities |
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| 16:49.05 | jelly-home | ChrisH: yes, that's what I assume |
| 16:49.07 | HebusLeTroll | for example i can't remove ghostscript-cups since it depends on cups, and can't fully remove cups since it depends on ghostscript-cups, how to remove both ? |
| 16:49.13 | Tenkawa | its got a LOT of potential |
| 16:49.22 | Tenkawa | if I can figure this out |
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| 16:49.47 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: so remove both with a single aptitude or apt-get command. |
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| 16:50.04 | jelly-home | !tell HebusLeTroll about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 16:50.07 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: if all else fails use dpkg --purge |
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| 16:50.19 | HebusLeTroll | jelly-home: i try that thx |
| 16:50.45 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: wrong quote, sorry :) |
| 16:50.59 | Sh3r1ff | HebusLeTroll: if all else fails use dpkg --purge |
| 16:51.02 | Tenkawa | Sh3r1ff: still funny :) |
| 16:51.11 | Tenkawa | ok here we go |
| 16:51.55 | Tenkawa | it just instantly bypasses it even though I told it to boot from it darnit |
| 16:52.35 | Tenkawa | sees it as a disk in the bios |
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| 16:53.33 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: can you show the exact command line you used to write to the card? |
| 16:53.45 | Tenkawa | let me try disabling other boot devices |
| 16:53.46 | Tenkawa | sure |
| 16:54.04 | Tenkawa | cp blah.iso /dev/sda |
| 16:54.17 | Tenkawa | (my internal drives are /dev/mmcblk*" |
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| 16:54.37 | jelly-home | /dev/sda was your mmc reader? |
| 16:54.50 | Tenkawa | it definitely writes something because a blkdev reread or eject and remount sees it |
| 16:54.53 | Tenkawa | yep |
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| 16:55.24 | jelly-home | is it a bios or uefi firmware machine? |
| 16:55.39 | Tenkawa | uefi |
| 16:55.45 | HebusLeTroll | jelly-home: i don't even knwo what apt-get/aptitude/dselect is or where to find it :-$ |
| 16:55.47 | jelly-home | that may be the reason |
| 16:56.00 | Tenkawa | theoreticly with the uefi secure boot turned off |
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| 16:56.12 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 16:56.20 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: did you create it using cp or dd? |
| 16:56.21 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: yeah I figure as much... just trying to see what I can do heheeh |
| 16:56.28 | HebusLeTroll | jelly: whizzy |
| 16:56.38 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: wheezy? |
| 16:56.43 | HebusLeTroll | wheezy sorry |
| 16:56.48 | Tenkawa | Sh3r1ff: cp' |
| 16:57.28 | Tenkawa | I can tell I'm close |
| 16:57.39 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: not good, try "dd if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sda" if /dev/sda is your usb |
| 16:57.52 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: apt-get, aptitude and dselect are various commands used to install or remove packages. What did you use for removing stuff until this point? |
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| 16:58.07 | HebusLeTroll | in fact i'd like to remove all package installed when i did "aptitude install cups" |
| 16:58.23 | HebusLeTroll | jelly: i used aptitude only |
| 16:58.26 | Tenkawa | Sh3r1ff: ok will try although it shouldnt be needed anymorr |
| 16:59.01 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: could be as simple that your machine is unable to boot from it because it is not bootable ;) |
| 16:59.04 | HebusLeTroll | (arg i keep hightlighting jelly instead of jelly-home :/) |
| 16:59.12 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: so show what happens why you try to remove packages using aptitude. Also show output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy relevant package names here" |
| 16:59.20 | jelly-home | that's me as well, no problem |
| 16:59.42 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 16:59.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:00.06 | Tenkawa | Sh3r1ff: the boot option is there... |
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| 17:00.46 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: the option to boot from usb is there, but if the stick in fact is not bootable, it will never boot from it |
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| 17:01.08 | Tenkawa | agreed |
| 17:01.11 | Sh3r1ff | it is like the option to boot from cd, if you insert a britney spears music cd, it will never boot from it |
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| 17:01.27 | Sh3r1ff | even though the option to boot from cd is set first |
| 17:01.31 | HebusLeTroll | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/35URhDdX (i'd like to remove all, if it's only used for printing) |
| 17:01.55 | Tenkawa | well this is new |
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| 17:02.52 | Tenkawa | it appears "confused" about the efi layer |
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| 17:04.14 | Tenkawa | efi and gpt both annoy me |
| 17:04.42 | Tenkawa | yeah its partition structure is definitely goofed up |
| 17:04.51 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: so accept that and let it remove all that stuff |
| 17:05.38 | HebusLeTroll | jelly-home: it will also remove the packages under "Leave the following dependencies unresolved" ? |
| 17:05.51 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: also, that wasn't the command to remove both cups and ghostscript-cups , you could have put both in the same line |
| 17:06.43 | jelly-home | HebusLeTroll: no, it tells you what it's going to remove, and it tells you which packages will have their Recommends-style dependencies broken |
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| 17:07.14 | Tenkawa | ooh this is looking "better" |
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| 17:07.39 | ompaul | Tenkawa: was I right, use windows 8 and efi stuff |
| 17:07.53 | ompaul | gpt is only required above 2 gigs |
| 17:07.56 | ompaul | sorry |
| 17:08.01 | ompaul | gpt is only required above 3 TB |
| 17:08.05 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: sadly I don't know how to boot with uefi fw |
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| 17:08.21 | jelly-home | all our servers still have working bios compatibility mode |
| 17:08.34 | Tenkawa | the dd'ing seems to at least be making it react |
| 17:09.25 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: i'll be afk for about half an hour or so, but let me know if you manage to get it going :) |
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| 17:09.41 | Tenkawa | will do.. thanks for your ideas |
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| 17:11.34 | Tenkawa | interesting |
| 17:11.38 | Tenkawa | I think its booting |
| 17:11.49 | Tenkawa | I think its using the hdmi output though |
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| 17:12.06 | Tenkawa | so I wont be able to check until I get home |
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| 17:13.28 | HebusLeTroll | so if i understand, when i use "aptitude install x", it will install x package and other required packages (let say y and z packages). Then "aptitude remove x" will only remove x package and let y and z ? Am i right ? |
| 17:13.38 | Tenkawa | wish I had a monitor handy |
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| 17:14.10 | jhutchins | HebusLeTroll: It tries to keep track of whether y and z have anything else that's using them, if not, it removes them, |
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| 17:14.43 | jhutchins | HebusLeTroll: Often more than one package will require the same dependency, and only if all dependencies are resolved will it auto-remove. |
| 17:14.48 | Tenkawa | yep thats definitely doing soething |
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| 17:15.21 | tremon | HebusLeTroll: it also depends on your configuration of Install-Recommends, Keep-Recommended and Keep-Suggested though |
| 17:15.23 | jhutchins | HebusLeTroll: It's not a perfect system. There are tools like apt-clean that attempt to find unnecessary packages. |
| 17:15.31 | Tenkawa | soon as I unplug the external media with the installer it boots up... put it back in and screen just goes blank like its changing vid cads |
| 17:15.35 | Tenkawa | er cards |
| 17:15.45 | Tenkawa | sweet |
| 17:15.57 | Tenkawa | ooooh |
| 17:16.04 | Tenkawa | I just had another idea too |
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| 17:16.30 | Tenkawa | this box isso much fun |
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| 17:17.33 | HebusLeTroll | jhutchins: ok thanks, and i saw there's log file (/var/log/dpkg.log), is there a tool to remove all packages installed since a specific date/time ? |
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| 17:26.33 | jhutchins | HebusLeTroll: You could probably concoct a bash script that would do that, but the concept of "snapshotting" a system really isn't built in like it is in OSX and Windows. |
| 17:26.47 | jhutchins | HebusLeTroll: Generally because this is seldom necessary. |
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| 17:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there is via backup-software... and the windowsy thingy really is a backup onto another partition anyway |
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| 17:30.52 | jhutchins | HebusLeTroll: Some people keep a log of changes they make to the system. There is also this: http://www.serverwatch.com/server-tutorials/keep-configs-under-control-with-etckeeper.html |
| 17:31.04 | jhutchins | HebusLeTroll: Revision control for configuration files. |
| 17:33.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | HebusLeTroll, you can always save the current package state with the methods you get with /msg dpkg debian clone and if you use aptitude also /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 17:34.31 | strawbs | is jessie/security going to come around before official release? |
| 17:34.48 | ompaul | strawbs: it arrives with the release |
| 17:35.00 | strawbs | not 1 day sooner right? |
| 17:35.05 | jhutchins | strawbs: Shouldn't, security commits should just go into the regular repo. |
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| 17:35.18 | ompaul | jhutchins: you beat me to it ;) |
| 17:35.27 | jhutchins | ompaul: Blame lag. |
| 17:35.45 | ompaul | blames lag |
| 17:35.51 | strawbs | jhutchins: yea, but one should still expect later security updates than to stable right? despite release being closer now |
| 17:36.18 | ompaul | strawbs: that depends on how the fix is done, but you are most likely talking hours |
| 17:36.25 | ompaul | in difference |
| 17:36.29 | ompaul | if not less |
| 17:36.35 | strawbs | well, i'm wondering at what point i can roll out jessie without much concern |
| 17:36.37 | ompaul | however etc etc etc |
| 17:36.39 | jhutchins | strawbs: Only in that while security patches get priority for stable while in testing they can wait until the fix is more completely integrated and tested. |
| 17:36.40 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: anything? :) |
| 17:36.52 | Spydar007 | Is there a file that lists all installed packages? |
| 17:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, etckeeper actually looks handy, thanks for that |
| 17:37.07 | ompaul | strawbs: so that depends on your use case, as granular as that might be |
| 17:37.09 | Tenkawa | Sh3r1ff: yep |
| 17:37.10 | Spydar007 | (I know about dpkg --get-selections, but I want a file) |
| 17:37.12 | strawbs | Spydar007: dpkg -l? |
| 17:37.16 | HebusLeTroll | I managed to extract a list of installed package using log file, i think i'll make a backup before removing them (in case i messed it up with regexps), thanks everyone for the help |
| 17:37.20 | Tenkawa | I think its booting |
| 17:37.27 | Tenkawa | I think its using the hdmi output though |
| 17:37.36 | Tenkawa | soon as I unplug the external media with the installer it boots up... put it back in and screen just goes blank like its changing vid cads |
| 17:37.36 | Spydar007 | strawbs: and the /file/? |
| 17:37.37 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: We're actually using puppet in a similar way at work. |
| 17:37.47 | Tenkawa | so I wont be able to check until I get home |
| 17:38.04 | strawbs | Spydar007: point stdout to a file ;) |
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| 17:38.41 | tremon | Spydar007: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 17:38.58 | jhutchins | Spydar007: dpkg maintains the information in a database, not a flat text file. There is a log of installs and upgrades, but you'd probably want to parse that into some sort of report format. |
| 17:39.33 | strawbs | anyway, cheers |
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| 17:40.00 | Spydar007 | tremon: thanks |
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| 17:40.18 | Spydar007 | Anyway to view exactly what dpkg --get-selections shows, but as a text file? |
| 17:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, etckeeper looks simpler and single-purpose, though |
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| 17:41.43 | Sh3r1ff | Spydar007: dpkg --get-selection > /path/to/file |
| 17:42.48 | tremon | or cat <(dpkg --get-selections) should work as well :) |
| 17:43.12 | Tenkawa | Sh3r1ff: either way it goes I'm having a lot of fun |
| 17:43.16 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Exactly. |
| 17:44.12 | Sh3r1ff | Tenkawa: that's the idea, why make it simple when there is so much more fun in trial and error :) |
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| 17:44.47 | esu | jessie or sid for a new desktop? |
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| 17:48.18 | jhutchins | esu: stable. |
| 17:48.43 | jhutchins | esu: sid is a staging repository for packages moving into testing, not a release. |
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| 17:50.21 | jhutchins | esu: Some people feel that once testing is frozen, it's ok to install it for regular use. On the other hand, the freeze is generally when they tackle those things that are seriously broken (like no video for Intell). |
| 17:50.59 | jhutchins | esu: If you can stand to have the system down for days or weeks at a time, testing is fine. I've done that with a dual-boot of testing and stable, so I could fall back when things broke. |
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| 17:52.48 | esu | jhutchins: ok thanks for explanation |
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| 17:53.10 | tpo | jhutchins, in practice it's possible to revert updated packages. Sometimes it's a lot of work, but systems breaking in testing is IMO very rare |
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| 17:55.05 | Sh3r1ff | testing has the advantage that you have access to newer packages |
| 17:55.18 | Sh3r1ff | if not needed (like most users), stay with stable |
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| 17:55.57 | jhutchins | Stable also has backports, although the divergence of things like libc is starting to cause problems there. |
| 17:56.43 | jhutchins | really ought to upgrade his lenny systems. |
| 17:57.06 | tpo | :)! |
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| 18:00.33 | ompaul | looks at jhutchins |
| 18:00.40 | ompaul | says nothing |
| 18:01.22 | Tenkawa | bbbl |
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| 18:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, and you just upgraded it from etch, too! |
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| 18:10.37 | Arr0way | anyone got xRDP to work with copy and paste? |