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| 00:00.22 | nightson | but other machines are working well with same config |
| 00:00.38 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | nightson can you paste your eth settings? |
| 00:00.54 | cafuego | nightson: recursion not available usually means that the zone you're asking for isn't on the dns server and it's configured to NOT ask a root server for more info. |
| 00:01.19 | nightson | cafuego, i didn't use recursion because the server must be authoritary |
| 00:01.25 | nightson | but as i said |
| 00:01.29 | cafuego | (which is as it should be for a dns server that serves dns data to the live interwebs) |
| 00:01.43 | nightson | doing nslookup for the same hostname works on other machines |
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| 00:02.30 | nightson | Rip_Van_Twinkle, you meant this? http://paste.debian.net/138656/ |
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| 00:03.39 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | @nightson yes.. for kicks give it a static and see what happens. I have seen this before and it ended up being the DHCP server being a pain in the @## |
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| 00:05.32 | nightson | but the dhcp was configured by me |
| 00:05.37 | nightson | and it's working nicely |
| 00:05.38 | RoyK | aspect: have tried several tunables. what's wierd, is that the kernel on the install cd finds everything as it should be |
| 00:05.53 | nightson | i have 4 machines |
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| 00:06.00 | nightson | one with dhcp server and master dns |
| 00:06.04 | nightson | one with dns slave |
| 00:06.06 | nightson | and two clients |
| 00:06.10 | RoyK | guess I'll try something like ubuntu tomorrow, I don't like fighting ghosts |
| 00:06.16 | nightson | server and two clients can use nslookup nicely |
| 00:06.28 | nightson | and even the slave dns one, uses dig nicely too |
| 00:06.37 | RoyK | the initial install just worked, but after the upgrade to a newer 3.2, it just failed |
| 00:06.38 | nightson | just nslookup not working on slave dns |
| 00:06.45 | RoyK | which isn't good |
| 00:07.39 | RoyK | and people like jhutchins barfing out "it's open source, live with it!", should find another arena |
| 00:09.47 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | that is what I was saying.. if you give it a static and it still does it then you know the something is wonky with DNS (at least between those machines) |
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| 00:10.48 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | The bigger question is why do you need a local DNS server when you can easily use one on the interwebs / dnscrypt? Is this for a home / work network? |
| 00:11.12 | nightson | yes |
| 00:11.12 | cafuego | gotta learn how to set it up somehow |
| 00:11.27 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | fair enough |
| 00:11.36 | nightson | well |
| 00:11.41 | nightson | since dig works |
| 00:11.55 | nightson | and as you could see in the paste, they even call the slave server |
| 00:12.02 | nightson | I just think i'm moving forward |
| 00:12.09 | nightson | hoping this is not a big deal |
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| 00:19.13 | nightson | ok |
| 00:19.14 | nightson | update |
| 00:19.17 | nightson | if you're still there |
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| 00:19.22 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | I am |
| 00:19.28 | dvs | zzzzzz |
| 00:19.32 | nightson | if i do nslookup host IP |
| 00:19.38 | nightson | instead of only nslookup host |
| 00:19.40 | nightson | it works... |
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| 00:20.03 | RoyK | nightson: nslookup? that's so bind4 ;) |
| 00:20.11 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | only from that one machine? |
| 00:20.37 | nightson | yes |
| 00:20.44 | nightson | in the others, just nslookup host works |
| 00:20.52 | RoyK | nightson: see host/dig |
| 00:20.53 | nightson | in this one, only nslookup host ip |
| 00:21.01 | nightson | dig works fine RoyK |
| 00:21.13 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | and what is this one machine? Debian Version, headless with KDE, Gnome? |
| 00:21.19 | RoyK | nightson: host adsf.com |
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| 00:23.03 | nightson | i'm running openmediavault |
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| 00:23.41 | nightson | anyway |
| 00:23.50 | nightson | I tried nslookup host 192.168.1.3 |
| 00:23.51 | VectorMan2000 | hi |
| 00:23.55 | nightson | and nslookup host 192.168.1.122 |
| 00:24.00 | nightson | that are my dns servers |
| 00:24.03 | nightson | and both work fine this way |
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| 00:25.10 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | okay what does ifconfig and resolve.conf say? |
| 00:26.14 | nightson | resolv.conf looks fine http://paste.debian.net/138665/ |
| 00:26.41 | nightson | ifconfig here http://paste.debian.net/138666/ |
| 00:26.43 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | take out the third one |
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| 00:27.44 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | so this OpenMediaVault did you use the ISO of roll it your self with the repos..also are any other the other machines running it? |
| 00:28.09 | nightson | it works without third line |
| 00:28.20 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | yeah okay |
| 00:28.37 | nightson | but please tell me why does this happen? |
| 00:28.46 | nightson | i mean, it tries to resolv on the first nameserver |
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| 00:29.48 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | so this is just a limitation of DNS settings.. it happens on Win, Linux, BSD. You should only every use two DNS Servers and having a third (even if it is a legit server) will cause issues |
| 00:29.49 | Tenkawa | hello all |
| 00:30.11 | nightson | in the other machines i have these 3 as well |
| 00:30.17 | nightson | maybe it's an omv thing... |
| 00:30.41 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | you might want to check the DHCP Server and make sure it is only pushing the DNS you want |
| 00:30.53 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | no I have seen it cause issues on all OS's |
| 00:30.57 | Tenkawa | is there a reasonable easy way to modify a install iso to replace a file (in this case a specific boot efi file I need) |
| 00:31.25 | Tenkawa | anyone got the mkisofs syntax handy to rebuild a netinst image? |
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| 00:32.26 | nightson | another thing i'm seing |
| 00:32.33 | nightson | is that it only works for the second nameserver |
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| 00:32.59 | nightson | for instance, if on resolv.conf i have 192.168.1.3 and then .122, it says got no recursion for 192.168.1.3 and then works on .122 |
| 00:33.11 | nightson | if i change the order, same thiing happens |
| 00:33.18 | nightson | no recursion for the first one, works for the second |
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| 00:34.00 | Tenkawa | ok got the syntax I need.. I think... |
| 00:34.18 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | Im installing this OMV thing in a VM now.. I rarely trust these "packaged ISO's" with apps that "just work" |
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| 00:37.26 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | if you are using this as a media device you will want to give it a static or a DHCP reservation |
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| 00:40.45 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | okay wait did you install bind on this machine to get nslookup? it didnt come by default |
| 00:41.18 | nightson | yes, dns-utils and bind |
| 00:42.24 | nightson | but Rip_Van_Twinkle |
| 00:42.28 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | okay did you install bind like apt-get install bind dnsutils |
| 00:42.30 | nightson | don't waste time with that |
| 00:42.41 | nightson | i believe it's bind9 |
| 00:42.46 | nightson | apt-get install bind9 |
| 00:43.09 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | that might be part of the issue you need bind9-host not the full bind |
| 00:43.20 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | or bind9 |
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| 00:43.24 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | that is for the server |
| 00:43.40 | nightson | but the server is running in this machine |
| 00:43.42 | nightson | the slave one |
| 00:43.56 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | oh oh see I missed that part |
| 00:44.13 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | okay then you really need to give it a static IP |
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| 00:44.28 | nightson | and i am |
| 00:44.34 | nightson | getting through dhcp |
| 00:44.36 | nightson | but still fixed |
| 00:44.38 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | if this is a server you need to make sure it ALWAYS gets the same IP |
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| 00:44.49 | nightson | and it has always the same ip |
| 00:44.54 | nightson | sorry if i wasn't clear on that |
| 00:44.54 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | so you have a reservation setup |
| 00:44.59 | nightson | yes |
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| 00:45.14 | nightson | Rip_Van_Twinkle, this slave machine has the 192.168.1.122 ip |
| 00:45.19 | nightson | in the other 3 machines |
| 00:45.20 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | can you past the DHCP config? I just want to double check |
| 00:45.20 | nightson | if i do |
| 00:45.33 | nightson | nslookup host 192.168.1.122 |
| 00:45.35 | nightson | it works just fine |
| 00:45.44 | nightson | so dns is working well |
| 00:45.55 | nightson | yeah i can |
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| 00:47.31 | nightson | http://paste.debian.net/138667/ here it is |
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| 00:48.27 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | what is the machine on 1.20? |
| 00:48.49 | nightson | that's a thing for windows |
| 00:48.57 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | okay |
| 00:49.20 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | I also just found a separate DNS setting in the OVM Web Config |
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| 00:49.30 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | why you need to set it twice I am not sure |
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| 00:50.01 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | but it does not populate the resolv.conf settings like it does the IP settings |
| 00:50.26 | nightson | actually I don't access the web interface of OMV quite a time |
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| 00:52.33 | nightson | i'm not seeing DNS on the web interface |
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| 00:53.11 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | Network > DNS |
| 00:53.42 | nightson | am i supposed to put the ips there? |
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| 00:54.03 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | yes |
| 00:54.24 | VectorMan2000 | hi |
| 00:54.31 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | if 1.122 is a DNS server use it first and then 1,3 |
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| 00:56.11 | nightson | well it doesn't work |
| 00:56.17 | nightson | it shutdown my eth1 |
| 00:56.39 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | what do you mean it shutdown your eth1 |
| 00:57.01 | nightson | Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1 |
| 00:57.06 | nightson | when i try to ifup eth1 |
| 00:57.14 | cybrNaut | what's the proper way to add a module? I do not see an /etc/modules file, and the documented approach is obsolete (modprobe mymodule && update-modules) |
| 00:57.25 | cybrNaut | update-modules does not exist |
| 00:57.28 | nightson | i see |
| 00:57.36 | nightson | it changed my /network/interfaces file |
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| 00:58.02 | nightson | that change on the web interface put this dns-nameservers 192.168.1.3 192.168.1.122 |
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| 00:58.06 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | added dns-nameservers x.x.x.x x.x.x.x |
| 00:58.07 | nightson | in my network/interfaces |
| 00:58.10 | nightson | yes |
| 00:58.37 | nightson | i'm just going to undo it |
| 00:58.40 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | okay restart networking |
| 00:58.41 | nightson | and stick to what i had |
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| 01:01.29 | nightson | Rip_Van_Twinkle, |
| 01:01.36 | nightson | i'm just gonna leave it the way it is |
| 01:01.45 | nightson | for what i need it works perfectly |
| 01:01.47 | nightson | thanks anyway |
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| 01:10.50 | plitter | should i reboot my computer if i upgrade the linux-image? |
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| 01:16.26 | SirLagz | plitter: yes |
| 01:17.08 | sotto | I accidentally drilled a hole through my laptop, but I cleaned my fans so everything is running a lot cooler so I have that going for me. At first my laptop didn't boot, but now it does, but grub says "acpi_call could not get handle" or something similar. Should I be concerned? |
| 01:17.31 | SirLagz | I'd be concerned that there's now a hole in the laptop... |
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| 01:18.11 | sotto | But it didn't affect my fans |
| 01:18.27 | SirLagz | sotto: did the hole go through any circuitry ? |
| 01:18.37 | plitter | SirLagz: how do you not focus on "accidentally drilled a hole through my laptop"?? |
| 01:18.53 | plitter | btw, thanks for the answer |
| 01:18.58 | SirLagz | plitter: no problems |
| 01:19.01 | sotto | Probably not, probably |
| 01:19.44 | SirLagz | sotto: well. Since there's a hole in your laptop, and I'm assuming the laptop was working fine before you drilled the hole, I'd be looking for damage in / around the hole. |
| 01:20.40 | sotto | I'm more concerned about that little error message, I'm not sure if I even read it correctly, do you know where the error file is for grub or systemmd, or whatever it is that happens after you click enter? |
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| 01:21.09 | SirLagz | sotto: maybe you drilled a hole through a trace and now something is broken :P |
| 01:21.52 | SirLagz | sotto: I still don't understand how you could accidentally drill a hole through your laptop. |
| 01:22.00 | sotto | Is it grub or systemmd? When all those things come up on your screen starting with [Loading...] |
| 01:22.15 | sotto | I was putting a screw back in, but I went all the way through |
| 01:22.32 | SirLagz | were you putting a screw in using a drill ? |
| 01:22.37 | sotto | no |
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| 01:24.06 | SirLagz | sotto: it sounds like the message is coming from the init daemon |
| 01:24.14 | sotto | Ah that's it |
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| 01:30.18 | VectorMan2000 | whats a good network monitor, like servers and stuff |
| 01:31.37 | s7r | how deterministic builds work and how are they any safer? |
| 01:31.45 | turnedtodust | VectorMan2000: not sure it's related. some may say. |
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| 01:32.26 | SirLagz | VectorMan2000: as in you want to know when things go down ? |
| 01:32.56 | dondelelcaro | s7r: they're basically a mechanism where you can generate the same bits from the same inputs; they help verify that a build machine actually did what you thought it did |
| 01:33.01 | sotto | How do you see what init shows when you first boot up? I checked the files covered in the man page, but those are config files and not what ran in from the start. |
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| 01:33.18 | dondelelcaro | sotto: depends on which init system you're using |
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| 01:33.25 | SirLagz | sotto: dmesg |
| 01:33.37 | s7r | dondelelcaro so it's a security feature? |
| 01:33.39 | sotto | SirLagz: thanks |
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| 01:34.56 | dondelelcaro | s7r: partially, yes. |
| 01:35.08 | dondelelcaro | s7r: it's also helpful for development |
| 01:35.25 | dondelelcaro | (because you can regenerate debugging information if you need to, for example) |
| 01:37.12 | s7r | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:38.40 | sotto | SirLagz: looks like it was nothing, acpi call deals with battery thresholds which I couldn't care less about. Thanks |
| 01:38.56 | SirLagz | sotto: no problems |
| 01:39.08 | SirLagz | sotto: you still blew my mind by putting a hole in your laptop lol... |
| 01:39.40 | sotto | SirLagz: http://ifixit.org/blog/6882/why-i-drilled-holes-in-my-macbook-pro-and-put-it-in-the-oven/ |
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| 01:40.13 | SirLagz | sotto: are you using a MacBook Pro ? |
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| 01:40.29 | sotto | SirLagz: no, this just reminds me of that article |
| 01:40.59 | SirLagz | sotto: ah heh |
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| 01:42.51 | RayzrShrp | i think debian runs better on my macbook then it does on my thinkpad |
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| 01:44.13 | rjsalts | RayzrShrp: nvidia optimus blues? |
| 01:44.36 | RayzrShrp | rjsalts: i dont follow |
| 01:44.54 | RayzrShrp | anybody know how i get battery status in debian? |
| 01:44.57 | RayzrShrp | jessie |
| 01:45.39 | felix_mc | RayzrShrp: what thinkpad do you have |
| 01:45.54 | RayzrShrp | t410 |
| 01:46.39 | RayzrShrp | do i need to install laptop tools or something under gnome3? |
| 01:47.07 | SirLagz | !jessie |
| 01:47.07 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>. |
| 01:47.59 | RayzrShrp | yeah debian-next is invite only SirLagz |
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| 01:48.20 | RayzrShrp | i guess only on freenode though |
| 01:48.41 | SirLagz | RayzrShrp: indeed. You want #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 01:55.18 | rjsalts | RayzrShrp: #debian on freenode is no longer the "official" debian irc support channel, it's just that it had enough inertia to keep going after Debian decided to switch from freenode to oftc for irc infrastructure support |
| 01:55.42 | SirLagz | I wonder why they switched to OFTC |
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| 01:57.06 | rjsalts | https://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 |
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| 01:57.34 | SirLagz | rjsalts: you have an answer for everything don't you :P |
| 01:58.17 | david-froth | I hate you, Arch! You broke down on me and made me lose all of my files! |
| 01:58.22 | david-froth | Oops, wrong channel... |
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| 01:58.26 | SirLagz | lol! |
| 01:58.29 | ragedragon | Hello the room |
| 01:58.44 | SirLagz | how does someone confuse #debian for #arch |
| 01:58.48 | SirLagz | #archlinux* |
| 01:58.52 | sameer-isa | Maybe it was a prank? |
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| 01:59.22 | sameer-isa | netj, is it raining? |
| 01:59.34 | jeezy | i see people actually being helped in here :) |
| 01:59.37 | jeezy | pretty sure this is #debian |
| 01:59.47 | rjsalts | SirLagz: s/you have/google has/ |
| 01:59.51 | ragedragon | any idea please how to tell gpgsm to look into the .gnupg folder? |
| 01:59.54 | SirLagz | rjsalts: haha |
| 02:00.11 | SirLagz | rjsalts: and now I know what OFTC stands for too 1 |
| 02:00.12 | SirLagz | ! |
| 02:00.17 | ragedragon | the reason is that i get a can't get the secret key |
| 02:00.37 | ragedragon | when trying to convert to gpg keys to p12 file |
| 02:01.09 | rjsalts | ragedragon: isn't gpgsm for when you're storing the private key on a smartcard? |
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| 02:01.27 | Pwnna | does anyone know what the package that allows you to resolve dns is called? |
| 02:01.57 | Pwnna | is it resolvconf? |
| 02:01.59 | rjsalts | ragedragon: oh, I must be thinking of something else, it's x509 stuff |
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| 02:02.31 | ragedragon | yes |
| 02:02.37 | ragedragon | rjsalts, smime |
| 02:02.47 | ragedragon | rjsalts, not smart card |
| 02:02.57 | sameer-isa | http://bitbin.it/AWXOmILh |
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| 02:03.47 | rjsalts | ragedragon: but what do you mean convert gpg key to p12? you can only convert x509 stuff to p12 |
| 02:04.04 | rjsalts | ragedragon: it's a separate key to your pgp keys |
| 02:04.36 | ragedragon | rjsalts, i would use the export p12 option for gpgsm by using: |
| 02:04.59 | ragedragon | rjsalts, gpgsm -o F09305D1.p12 --export-secret-key-p12 0xF09305D1 |
| 02:05.04 | ragedragon | rjsalts, possible? |
| 02:05.17 | ragedragon | rjsalts, p12 will be used for thunderbird |
| 02:06.23 | ragedragon | gpgsm (GnuPG) 2.0.26 |
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| 02:07.00 | Busserl | Pwnna: what do you mean? |
| 02:07.31 | ragedragon | rjsalts, if you have already a gpg key can you please run this: |
| 02:07.57 | Busserl | /etc/resolv.conf has DNS entries. resolvconf configures this file automatically. |
| 02:08.04 | ragedragon | rjsalts, gpgsm -o test.p12 --export-secret-key-p12 0xXXXXXXXXX when XXXXXXXXX is your gpg id key |
| 02:08.07 | ragedragon | thx |
| 02:09.55 | Pwnna | Busserl: .. like ping google.com => bad address 'google.com' |
| 02:10.03 | Pwnna | /etc/resolv.conf doesn't exist |
| 02:10.06 | Pwnna | just like most things |
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| 02:11.08 | sameer-isa | Pwnna: sudo ln -sv /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:12.27 | Pwnna | sameer-isa: i don't have anything under run. |
| 02:12.46 | Pwnna | someone else created this tiny image and i'm trying to get it working in a chroot |
| 02:12.52 | Pwnna | perhaps i'm missing something.. hmm |
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| 02:14.12 | sameer-isa | Pwnna: If /run doesn't exist, something is seriously wrong. |
| 02:14.18 | Pwnna | run does |
| 02:14.22 | Pwnna | but nothing is in it |
| 02:14.44 | Pwnna | well. i created run as a tmpfs. |
| 02:15.27 | sameer-isa | Pwnna: Try "mount --rbind /run [path]/run/" outside your chroot, replacing [path] with the path to the root directory of your chroot. |
| 02:16.23 | Pwnna | sameer-isa: unfortunately i'm on an android kernel.. |
| 02:16.47 | sameer-isa | Does /run not exist on Android? |
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| 02:16.55 | sameer-isa | grabs his cell phone. |
| 02:17.02 | Pwnna | not afaik |
| 02:17.07 | Pwnna | android is weird |
| 02:17.10 | Pwnna | most things are undre /system |
| 02:18.03 | sameer-isa | c |
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| 02:18.16 | sameer-isa | And there doesn't seem to be a /system/run |
| 02:18.58 | Pwnna | yeah. |
| 02:19.01 | Pwnna | there's nothing :x |
| 02:19.06 | Pwnna | there is proc! |
| 02:19.10 | Pwnna | and sys and dev! :P |
| 02:19.14 | Pwnna | which is bind mounted |
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| 02:20.06 | sameer-isa | Bad, bad android! |
| 02:20.18 | Pwnna | lol |
| 02:20.23 | Pwnna | it doesn't even have a regular libc :x |
| 02:20.25 | Pwnna | bionic o.0 |
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| 02:23.40 | sameer-isa | Well, of course it doesn't. Embedded platforms use newlib AFAIK. |
| 02:25.04 | Tux64 | Pwnna: "You probably want to remove all of the networking stuff from your Debian chroot and let Android handle it, otherwise you might have Debian and Android fighting over the network config." |
| 02:25.17 | Tux64 | from: https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid |
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| 02:25.25 | Pwnna | hmm |
| 02:25.31 | Pwnna | that might be a good idea |
| 02:25.34 | sameer-isa | Why not just use Debian Kit? |
| 02:25.38 | sameer-isa | It's an app. |
| 02:25.52 | Tux64 | plus android uses UIDs/GIDs for services |
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| 02:25.59 | sameer-isa | It installs Debian alongside Android without requiring a chroot. |
| 02:26.13 | sameer-isa | It also doesn't have resolv.conf problems. |
| 02:26.35 | sameer-isa | Once installed, it can be run using the command "deb" in the Terminal. |
| 02:26.50 | SirLagz | does it need root ? |
| 02:26.54 | sameer-isa | Yes. |
| 02:27.00 | Pwnna | the idea is definitely using chroot for things |
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| 02:29.15 | Pwnna | what i'm doing is kinda like debian kit |
| 02:29.17 | Pwnna | not exactly |
| 02:29.20 | cybrNaut | debian repos seem to have an NX client, but no NX servers, is that correct? |
| 02:30.03 | cybrNaut | what's the normal remote desktop server to use with debian? |
| 02:30.25 | sameer-isa | VNC? |
| 02:30.28 | cybrNaut | x11 is a bit heavy |
| 02:30.43 | Tux64 | Pwnna: You can also install android-permissions |
| 02:30.58 | cybrNaut | sameer-isa: perhaps.. but isn't that as fat as x11? |
| 02:31.00 | Tux64 | It'll abstract the permissions, making it a bit easier |
| 02:31.16 | sameer-isa | cybrNaut: Probably. |
| 02:31.31 | Pwnna | Tux64: what does it do? |
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| 02:32.17 | sameer-isa | Everybody: Name a software, any software! |
| 02:32.40 | Pwnna | hm i see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/debian/sid/android-permissions/sid/view/head:/debian/README |
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| 02:33.47 | sameer-isa | AFK |
| 02:37.41 | cybrNaut | sameer-isa: apparently debian relies on the Microsoft RDP for thin remote desktop server s/w |
| 02:37.49 | cybrNaut | "xrdp" package |
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| 02:38.06 | cybrNaut | that's a bit embarrassing |
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| 02:40.40 | RoyK | cybrNaut: it'd be nice if the nxclient/server was OSS |
| 02:40.45 | RoyK | cybrNaut: it's not |
| 02:41.01 | RoyK | cybrNaut: so reyling on that instead isn't much better |
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| 02:43.08 | cybrNaut | RoyK: there is a debian nx client.. so apparently the protocol is open. So apparently it's just a matter of no project to make an OSS server |
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| 02:43.35 | RoyK | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology cybrNaut read the license bit |
| 02:45.07 | RoyK | RDP has become a rather good protocol over the years - it took them 20 years to get there, but now it's rather good |
| 02:48.13 | cybrNaut | RoyK: i thought it was good ~20 years ago.. apart from being proprietary and limited to windows (which in my mind makes it bad :) |
| 02:48.29 | cybrNaut | s/it/rdp/ |
| 02:48.40 | RoyK | obviously |
| 02:49.06 | RoyK | it's crappy, but still better than what I've seen in the open land |
| 02:49.11 | RoyK | and freenx isn't free |
| 02:49.48 | RoyK | rdp used to be very, very bad, but it's become rather good the last few years |
| 02:50.18 | RoyK | that's technology-wise, not openly-wise |
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| 03:15.09 | wonderworld | is php for apache broken in current jessie? can't apache make parse php. apache2, php5 and libapache2-mod-php5 are installed |
| 03:15.28 | wonderworld | this is a fresh installation, just installed these packages but php isn't parsed |
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| 03:21.13 | rjsalts | wonderworld: are any of them enabled? look in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled to see if they're there |
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| 03:22.31 | wonderworld | a2enmod and apachectl -t -D DUMP_MODULES both show that php is enabled |
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| 03:34.21 | rjsalts | wonderworld: anything in error logs? and you're using mod_php right? |
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| 03:40.09 | Pwnna | so what are some directories i need to create inside run after the system gets chrooted into? |
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| 03:42.04 | wonderworld | rjsalts: nothing in the error logs. this is a fresh box. i just installed apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 and php5. am i missing something? |
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| 03:42.19 | wonderworld | when accessing a .php file in my browser, i see the php source |
| 03:42.27 | wonderworld | apache works but doesn't parse php |
| 03:43.47 | bearpigman | has anyone been able to get the fglrx-driver working on a10-7850k? |
| 03:47.09 | shay_shay | juicessh |
| 03:47.37 | wonderworld | shay_shay: it's a nice looking client but hard to trust |
| 03:47.55 | shay_shay | I meant to say that in #mosh |
| 03:47.57 | shay_shay | sorry |
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| 03:52.47 | rjsalts | wonderworld: this was on jessie, right? |
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| 04:06.52 | rjsalts | wonderworld: yeah, I'm not seeing any problems with php on fresh jessie install and libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 04:15.08 | Pwnna | wait so what does init do? |
| 04:15.17 | Pwnna | better yet, how do i go about writing a custom init? |
| 04:15.38 | Pwnna | are there any documentations on what're the detailed jobs of init during boot? |
| 04:15.44 | Pwnna | and after? |
| 04:16.02 | shay_shay | init is process one, all other processes are forked or execs after it, from it |
| 04:16.24 | shay_shay | it is like Adam and even for processes |
| 04:16.51 | shay_shay | s/even/eve |
| 04:18.13 | rjsalts | shay_shay: Eve doesn't get a capital letter? |
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| 04:18.37 | shay_shay | hell no |
| 04:19.14 | shay_shay | eve is not a person in this case just a metaphor |
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| 04:19.31 | shay_shay | so why capitalize it |
| 04:19.48 | rjsalts | shay_shay: but Adam was? |
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| 04:20.37 | Pwnna | o.o |
| 04:20.40 | Pwnna | yeah i know that |
| 04:20.47 | Pwnna | but i'm looking through and i see that init is doing things like |
| 04:20.49 | Pwnna | mounting /run |
| 04:20.52 | shay_shay | my keyboard automatically capitalized the beginning of the sentence (android). and besides, eve is a woman |
| 04:20.52 | Pwnna | symlinking stuff |
| 04:21.08 | shay_shay | ;) |
| 04:21.18 | Pwnna | what kinda things does that init do in terms of those kinda stuff |
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| 04:23.48 | klys | runs all the scripts in /etc/rc?.d |
| 04:23.49 | rjsalts | Pwnna: which init are you speaking of? |
| 04:24.06 | Pwnna | any |
| 04:24.14 | shay_shay | init, the almighty |
| 04:24.25 | Pwnna | like. /run and /tmp must be mounted by .. something? |
| 04:24.27 | Pwnna | i assume this is init |
| 04:24.59 | rjsalts | Pwnna: most likely it's a script invoked by init, especially if you're using sysvinit (on wheezy) still |
| 04:25.14 | Pwnna | yeah |
| 04:25.22 | Pwnna | hm |
| 04:25.28 | Pwnna | is there a source repo for that? |
| 04:25.30 | Pwnna | i want to take a look |
| 04:26.02 | Pwnna | it's not in initscript? or i can't find it somehow |
| 04:26.07 | rjsalts | Pwnna: sysvinit will look at /etc/inittab and run whatever is in there |
| 04:26.38 | klys | and then it sund /etc/init.d/rcS |
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| 04:26.45 | klys | s/sund/runs/ |
| 04:26.58 | rjsalts | Pwnna: si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS is where a large part of the magic happens |
| 04:27.07 | Pwnna | hm |
| 04:28.03 | Pwnna | rjsalts: i'm looking in the sysvinit package source, but it's not in there? |
| 04:28.11 | shay_shay | walking on frozen grass feels like walking on regular kale |
| 04:28.22 | shay_shay | non-frozen grass |
| 04:29.00 | Pwnna | wait. what about /lib/init/*.sh? |
| 04:29.09 | rjsalts | Pwnna: inittab you mean? |
| 04:29.32 | rjsalts | Pwnna: they're helper scripts for the most part |
| 04:30.00 | rjsalts | Pwnna: to make your init scripts more robust and provide helper functions for common tasks |
| 04:30.08 | Pwnna | ah i see |
| 04:30.31 | Pwnna | what about the actual scripts that brings up things like tmp and what not? |
| 04:31.08 | Pwnna | are they in /etc/rcN.d? |
| 04:31.30 | Pwnna | but where is the package that put the files in /etc/rcN.d for those essential functions? |
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| 04:32.46 | rjsalts | Pwnna: initscripts |
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| 04:33.36 | Pwnna | rjsalts: https://packages.debian.org/sid/initscripts this one? I downloaded [sysvinit_2.88dsf-58.debian.tar.xz] and can't find any scripts? |
| 04:34.08 | rjsalts | Pwnna: yes |
| 04:34.12 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/initscripts/filelist |
| 04:34.46 | shay_shay | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.88dsf.orig.tar.gz |
| 04:35.00 | Pwnna | oh are the scripts actually in /etc/init.d? |
| 04:35.08 | Pwnna | i thought it's in rc[0-6].d |
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| 04:36.16 | shay_shay | pwnna this isn't google |
| 04:36.24 | shay_shay | this is IRC |
| 04:36.52 | Pwnna | i was looking at someone saying that things were under rc.d |
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| 04:39.34 | rjsalts | Pwnna: /etc/rc[S0-6].d are configuration for what scripts to start when at what runlevels |
| 04:39.44 | rjsalts | Pwnna: they're all symlinks to /etc/init.d |
| 04:40.08 | Pwnna | ah i see |
| 04:40.18 | Pwnna | thanks! |
| 04:40.21 | Pwnna | i'll take a look |
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| 04:41.05 | rjsalts | Pwnna: i.e. you enter runlevel 2 and it will look at all the files in /etc/rc2.d and start any that begin with S in alphanumeric order |
| 04:41.50 | Pwnna | ah so if you want to remove a service from running on boot, you can unlink it from rc.d |
| 04:41.53 | Pwnna | neat |
| 04:42.21 | shay_shay | speaking of sysvinit, I just installed SlackwareARM on a raspberry pi today |
| 04:42.40 | shay_shay | it makes me feel old. |
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| 05:11.18 | ROG3R | My LXDE already uses little resources on my old laptop. Buying a new laptop more powerful, would make any difference at all? |
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| 05:15.26 | shay_shay | ROG3R: when you buy a new laptop you will likely stop using LXDE, which make a positive difference |
| 05:16.00 | shay_shay | KDE runs like butter on my |
| 05:16.09 | shay_shay | Intel core 2 duo from 2007 |
| 05:17.45 | shay_shay | if I had a system which maxed out at 2gb of ram then I might look for the lightest desktop around |
| 05:17.57 | shay_shay | and in thatg case I would just buy a new computer |
| 05:19.16 | ROG3R | shay_shay: why would kde make a posituve difference? |
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| 05:20.22 | shay_shay | depends on your graphics card... its counterintuitive but if the software has better utilization of your GPU then it will run smoother |
| 05:20.52 | shay_shay | so in some cases newer so-called "heaver" desktops can feel faster |
| 05:21.08 | shay_shay | not gnome 3 in my experience, it doesnt do well on low end systems |
| 05:22.06 | l0rd_hex | so theres a few livecds based on debian (Gparted, Tails, etc.), does anyone know if there's a kernel command line option to set where the filesystem.squashfs is? |
| 05:22.40 | shay_shay | also, learn how to read free -h |
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| 05:22.59 | shay_shay | cached memory is good |
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| 05:23.20 | shay_shay | that means your system is preloading things to make them load faster when you need them |
| 05:23.35 | bloppr | hi, how do i enable only one firmware package from firmware-linux-nonfree ??? |
| 05:23.41 | bloppr | anyone up for help ? |
| 05:24.09 | shay_shay | the second column and second row of the output of "free -h" is what you actually have free |
| 05:24.40 | shay_shay | on kde I have 14 gigs free out of 16gb |
| 05:24.57 | shay_shay | actual used is only 1.8 |
| 05:25.09 | shay_shay | so if I had 4gb of ram I would be more than fine |
| 05:25.14 | shay_shay | which my 2007 imac does |
| 05:25.28 | ROG3R | shay_shay: I tried kde and removed, has a lot of crap apps installed as default.. plus the design is not what i like. lxde looks simple and clean, and i also remove most apps. except browser except what i need for chat internet movie/music ... |
| 05:25.39 | shay_shay | thats not crapwear |
| 05:25.42 | shay_shay | ware* |
| 05:26.00 | shay_shay | spend a little time with each thing youll realise theyre really well developed |
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| 05:26.26 | shay_shay | but you can install minimal kde without the apps if you want |
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| 05:26.47 | shay_shay | i dont use dragon player as i use VLC |
| 05:26.51 | shay_shay | not a fan of that |
| 05:27.19 | shay_shay | but most of the apps which come with KDE are full featured and well made |
| 05:28.09 | shay_shay | i stared out on openbox and lxde because I tought I needed something ultra lightweight |
| 05:28.30 | shay_shay | but efficient is better than light |
| 05:28.34 | ROG3R | shay_shay: my lxde is using usally ~700mb memeory and the cpu stays low all the time (and i like to keep many of browser tabs open) |
| 05:28.59 | shay_shay | but unused ram is wasted ram |
| 05:29.16 | ROG3R | :) |
| 05:29.32 | shay_shay | it consumes the same amount of energy wether you use it for caching your applications or let it sit there and do nothing |
| 05:29.37 | bloppr | use fluxbox or openbox when u want less resource-usage |
| 05:29.53 | shay_shay | if you have 2gb of ram these days then worry about ram usage |
| 05:29.58 | ROG3R | my point is that if i would get an even more powerfull computer.. it wont help at all.. i guess. except the nicely finished design |
| 05:29.59 | shay_shay | if you have 4+ then dont |
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| 05:30.07 | shay_shay | unless you have windows.... then worry. |
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| 05:30.44 | shay_shay | ROG3R: your new computer wont fix your flawed perspective |
| 05:30.50 | shay_shay | :D |
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| 05:31.40 | ROG3R | I have 4GB |
| 05:31.59 | ROG3R | core 2 duo 2ghz. 120 SSD |
| 05:32.10 | shay_shay | what gpu? |
| 05:32.17 | ROG3R | pc from 2008. |
| 05:32.31 | ROG3R | shay_shay: how do i get gpu info ? |
| 05:32.58 | shay_shay | lspci | grep VGA |
| 05:33.25 | ROG3R | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GT] (rev a1) |
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| 05:34.27 | ROG3R | shay_shay: what do you think of it? |
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| 05:36.32 | shay_shay | roughly the same as my imac |
| 05:36.58 | shay_shay | which runs KDE without issue. biggest downfall is the lack of sata 3 support |
| 05:37.27 | shay_shay | if it supported fast SSD then I would have never replaced it |
| 05:37.37 | shay_shay | not yet, at least |
| 05:37.42 | shay_shay | not never, lol |
| 05:37.44 | ROG3R | shay_shay: but I mean having a more performant gpu, would afect my browsing? i dont think so |
| 05:37.56 | shay_shay | oh yes it certainly would |
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| 05:38.35 | shay_shay | but who cares |
| 05:38.50 | shay_shay | browsing (web) is the place you will suffer first |
| 05:39.03 | shay_shay | but its not a big deal |
| 05:39.21 | ROG3R | to me it seems quite fast |
| 05:39.24 | ROG3R | cant complain |
| 05:39.31 | shay_shay | there ya go |
| 05:39.43 | shay_shay | maybe we should mopve this to #hardware |
| 05:39.55 | shay_shay | or #debian-offtopic |
| 05:40.38 | shay_shay | ##hardware a bunch of windows whiners anyways |
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| 05:46.00 | ROG3R | If you don't do games, and don't do 3D work on your computer that's graphics intensive about any old graphics card will do the job for you. |
| 05:46.26 | SirLagz | If you watch anything HD then you'd want something semi-recent though |
| 05:46.31 | shay_shay | I actually do CAD for work |
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| 05:46.51 | ROG3R | SirLagz: I can watch 1080p videos perfectly sir |
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| 05:47.19 | SirLagz | ROG3R: yeah the 8xxx series were the first to have the hardware decoding on the GPUs |
| 05:48.07 | shay_shay | You are likely dropping frames, so "perfectly" would be inaccurate, however "just fine" I can see that |
| 05:48.31 | shay_shay | and also consider your monitor isn't even 1080p |
| 05:48.48 | shay_shay | not if its a screen which came on a laptop from 2008 |
| 05:48.56 | SirLagz | shay_shay: the geforce 8xxx series has hardware decoding, so I wouldn't be surprised if he could watch it perfectly |
| 05:49.09 | shay_shay | ok fair enough |
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| 05:49.44 | SirLagz | I have quite a few geforce 8 series cards at home lol |
| 05:50.58 | SirLagz | and a 6 and a few 7s and a few 9s too |
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| 05:52.14 | shay_shay | indeed: http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8M_techspecs.html |
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| 05:57.35 | ROG3R | why if I sounds plays in lxmusic doesnt play in vlc. untill i tunr lxmusic off ? |
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| 06:20.38 | martman | when i try to run pvcreate i keep getting: |
| 06:20.39 | martman | pvcreate Can't open /dev/sda1 exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
| 06:20.44 | martman | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:20.54 | martman | dmsetup remove_all didnt do the trick |
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| 08:52.28 | maroloccio | hi. how can i apt-get update only if X time has passed since i last run it? |
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| 08:53.50 | pingfloyd | make a wrapper scripts that generates a file and also checks the timestamp |
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| 09:16.02 | ChrisH | Katharsis: ldd -v $(which aticonfig) might be a starting point |
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| 09:26.09 | testdeb | hi i installed debian stable and would like to update it to testing. i changed sources.list all to jessie except the security updates, i did an update & upgrade but still see kernel version 3.2 but i expect 3.16 if im correct, why is it that kernel is not upgraded? |
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| 18:01.01 | pingfloyd | salamisami: there are a couple meta packages |
| 18:02.06 | salamisami | I just want to get rid of it, thats my problem. |
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| 18:02.35 | pingfloyd | salamisami: also autoremove will only work on packages automatically installed |
| 18:03.23 | acz32 | jhutchins: come on.. that's not an answer to what he asked |
| 18:03.24 | raveenz | salamisami: apt-get remove xfce4-* |
| 18:03.47 | raveenz | that should remove a lot of unnecesary packages starting with xfce... |
| 18:03.49 | pingfloyd | If all those xfce4 packages are set manually installed, then you need to manually remove them or change them to auto installed status |
| 18:03.56 | jhutchins | salamisami: Probably want purge instead of remove |
| 18:04.31 | acz32 | salamisami: crunchbang uses some xfce packages, so be careful with ravaeenz's answer |
| 18:04.49 | raveenz | jhutchins: the xorg session file should be installed with a deb packages |
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| 18:05.41 | raveenz | acz32: I didn't now that :P |
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| 18:06.10 | raveenz | acz32: I was considering a vanilla gnome install or something similar |
| 18:06.28 | pingfloyd | jhutchins: odds are you just haven't removed all the necessary meta packages to stop it holding onto the other xfce packages |
| 18:07.49 | dashs | why does "xhci_queue_intr_tx: 8 callbacks suppressed" msg NOT identify which USB device is the cause? |
| 18:08.02 | JohnnyL | jhutchins: i have jack orking with ardour3. but i know ppl who say alsa and jack are orthogonal. |
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| 18:08.47 | JohnnyL | +workin |
| 18:08.53 | JohnnyL | +g |
| 18:08.55 | JohnnyL | lol! |
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| 18:09.36 | wodim | in what debian package is Crypt/OpenSSL/AES.pm ? |
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| 18:11.07 | tremon | ,file Crypt/OpenSSL/AES.pm |
| 18:11.12 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 18:11.23 | wodim | so i have to rely on CPAN? oooh |
| 18:11.57 | wodim | ,file AES.pm |
| 18:12.03 | judd | Search for AES.pm in wheezy/i386: libimage-exiftool-perl: usr/share/perl5/Image/ExifTool/AES.pm |
| 18:12.07 | wodim | nope |
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| 18:12.17 | wodim | no second opinions I guess |
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| 18:31.51 | raveenz | greycat: still exists as Seamonkey... |
| 18:32.24 | Voyager82 | I still don't understand. Who can change Firefox, and call it Firefox? |
| 18:32.36 | hdurr | mozilla :D |
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| 18:32.51 | greycat | The people who own the brand name (mozilla.com or whatever their formal name is) can call it "Firefox". |
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| 18:33.20 | raveenz | Voyager only the Mozilla copyright owners: the mozilla foundation. |
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| 18:33.51 | Voyager82 | So, I can view the source code of Firefox, even change it for my own purposes, but I can't call it Firefox. |
| 18:34.02 | greycat | yes |
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| 18:34.53 | Voyager82 | Ah, maybe I understand. The brand name is registered. But the code is free. Nice! :D |
| 18:35.05 | acz32 | Voyager82: for many people that's fine. for debian it was not good enough. so decide for yourself whether the package you want is free or not |
| 18:35.39 | greycat | Debian considers it free, just under the name "iceweasel". |
| 18:35.44 | acz32 | i personally don't know about the iwlwifi situation |
| 18:35.58 | Voyager82 | acz32, what you mean is that the firmware I need maybe "free" meaning "open source", but "non free" from certain other points of view. |
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| 18:36.13 | ewzimm | The main issue for Debian is they want to be able to keep one version and apply security patches to it, but it's impossible to do that and still call it "Firefox." |
| 18:36.15 | greycat | Firmware is a whole different issue. |
| 18:36.38 | hdurr | would you ladies and gents mind me busting in with a completely different topic? netjack2, possibly permissions issue .. |
| 18:37.30 | Voyager82 | I'm not an expert, but I agree with greycat. It may be that the firmware is plain "non free", meaning that it's proprietary code. :( |
| 18:37.43 | raveenz | ewzimm: it's a bit stranger situation because RedHat for example maintains old versions with new versions patches, I don't know if debian patches are not coming from newer versions... |
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| 18:39.11 | dolcefollia | Hello |
| 18:39.12 | raveenz | ewzimm: and Red Hat still calls Firefox by his name in their distribution. |
| 18:39.42 | greycat | If they simply ship mozilla.com's binaries with no changes, they can do that. |
| 18:39.56 | acz32 | almost every distro does that |
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| 18:40.57 | Voyager82 | However, there may be no completely free firmware for my purposes. Actually, the installer told me to install that. |
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| 18:42.20 | Voyager82 | I've found this. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi |
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| 18:44.25 | Voyager82 | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/plain/LICENCE.iwlwifi_firmware?id=HEAD |
| 18:44.46 | penna | I got dozens of new packages in aptitude (g), but I do not want them. I removed task Xfce but still dozens of packages. how to do not take all instead of selecting each single package with (-)? |
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| 18:44.50 | Voyager82 | It says: "No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software is permitted." |
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| 18:46.01 | acz32 | can reverse engineering really be prohibited by a license? |
| 18:46.24 | Voyager82 | acz32, it says so. |
| 18:46.37 | greycat | You would have to ask a lawyer for a definitive answer to that. |
| 18:46.39 | TriJetScud | it really depends |
| 18:46.46 | TriJetScud | on what you are reverse engineering tho |
| 18:47.04 | TriJetScud | inanl - but iirc, you can reverse engineer file formats or network protocols just fine |
| 18:48.18 | Voyager82 | However, they're "smart" enough to know that they need to provide drivers for Linux distros to, if they want to "survive". However, it "hurts" that it's not "free software". :( |
| 18:48.23 | dolcefollia | Hello :) |
| 18:48.35 | Voyager82 | Ciao, dolcefollia. |
| 18:48.37 | dolcefollia | Ther's one use Email Sync with Microsoft Exchange? |
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| 18:48.44 | dolcefollia | Ciao Voyager82 :) |
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| 18:49.19 | TriJetScud | Voyager82: probably true for mobile and server hardware |
| 18:49.41 | TriJetScud | but the PC desktop market - it isn't really a priority for them unless steam box really picks up traction |
| 18:49.42 | Voyager82 | TriJetScud, the firmware that I was mentioning is indeed "non free". |
| 18:49.50 | TriJetScud | ah |
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| 18:50.32 | dolcefollia | Voyager82: u're a developer? |
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| 18:51.00 | Voyager82 | No. I'm a "wannabe" electronic engineer. :) (Meaning "student of"). Why? |
| 18:52.03 | TriJetScud | Voyager82: welcome to the dark side ;) |
| 18:52.33 | Voyager82 | TriJetScud, the dark side of the Force is seductive. :( |
| 18:52.48 | Voyager82 | What do you mean, anyway? |
| 18:52.53 | hdurr | it also requires less electricity, good for the environment and all |
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| 18:55.57 | Voyager82 | Ok. My understanding is that I should look for an alternative free firmware with more efforts, but I may fail. :) |
| 18:56.08 | Voyager82 | Thank you for now. See you some other time. Ciao. :D |
| 18:56.13 | greycat | Many devices don't have free firmware yet. |
| 18:56.41 | Voyager82 | Since they change very rapidly. |
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| 18:57.08 | Voyager82 | Writing good software is "hard" (meaning "expensive", sometimes). |
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| 18:58.19 | Voyager82 | At least, this is my understanding. What do you think, greycat |
| 18:58.22 | Voyager82 | ? |
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| 18:58.32 | greycat | That writing software is hard? Sure. |
| 18:58.37 | lolking55 | Is there anybody out thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 18:58.41 | Walex | Voyager82: writing good software is hard, but hardly expensive... |
| 18:58.47 | lolking55 | if u r plz fuck urself |
| 18:58.55 | lolking55 | i m only joking |
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| 18:59.17 | Walex | Voyager82: in a typical software company the cost of developing software is less than the expense accounts of salesmen and executives. |
| 18:59.28 | lolking55 | So typical |
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| 18:59.35 | Voyager82 | Walex, hard= time, and time=money. |
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| 19:00.23 | Voyager82 | However, this is a nice subject. I support "free software". But there are problems. I'm saying that we have to solve them. Not that I don't like free software. |
| 19:00.25 | Walex | Voyager82: but a lot less money than marketing or sales or even admin. |
| 19:00.35 | Voyager82 | Walex, maybe. |
| 19:01.09 | Voyager82 | Walex, but you can't just say: "Tonight I'm going to write the driver for this new 3D videocard". It doesn't work like that. |
| 19:01.19 | Walex | Voyager82: typical software companies spend less than 5-10% of their sales income developing or maintaining software. Software is quite cheap compared to profits for shareholders and bonuses to executives and salespeople. |
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| 19:02.14 | Voyager82 | Walex, you are talking about companies. People that have an income, and that can spend it. |
| 19:02.14 | Walex | Voyager82: I was talking in the great scheme of things, relatively to other costs, not for individual projects. |
| 19:02.42 | greycat | He's also talking about a "software company", which I'm not even sure precisely what that means. |
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| 19:02.55 | Walex | Voyager82: writing software is a business, whether you do it as a hobby or as a corporate. |
| 19:02.56 | Voyager82 | It's an interesting discussion. Can we have it in an hour or so? I need to take a shower. :) |
| 19:03.08 | Walex | showertime it be! |
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| 19:03.55 | Voyager82 | Ok. See you later. Bye. :D |
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| 19:04.06 | greycat | If you mean a company that sells software as an actual product -- like, say, a video game company or Adobe -- then I have no experience with that at all. |
| 19:04.21 | ewzimm | There would be free firmware for everything if hardware companies would release specifications. There are standing offers to develop firmware/drivers for anything for free if specs and hardware are provided. |
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| 19:04.57 | greycat | And the reason hardware vendors don't release specs (or open source firmware) is because it would allow their competitors to copy their product. |
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| 19:05.50 | greycat | When nVidia or ATi has to write a Windows driver for their new card, that's pure loss for their business. It's a cost they have to eat. |
| 19:06.23 | ewzimm | It would be great if every hardware developer knew what every other one was doing. It would allow them to build off each other's success instead of reinventing things with different incompatible APIs. Everyone would be better off. |
| 19:06.24 | greycat | They figure it's better to eat that cost, than to let the clones get there earlier. |
| 19:06.58 | greycat | ewzimm: Everyone except the shareholders! |
| 19:07.54 | TriJetScud | shareholders tend to be the whiny ones when their share value drops |
| 19:08.02 | flux242 | chinese get there earlier anyway ggg |
| 19:08.05 | ewzimm | It's not like anyone can suddenly become a hardware company. They need talent for developing new products and a whole manufacturing supply chain. Just because someone else knows your designs doesn't mean they can sell a better product at a lower price. |
| 19:08.47 | greycat | It wouldn't be a better product. It would be an identical product. |
| 19:09.36 | flux242 | when you're writing a firmware for a new hw there are 1000 chinese doing it at the same time |
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| 19:09.58 | ewzimm | Apple still sells tons of products even with companies like Xiaomi making similar devices at lower cost. |
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| 19:11.52 | ewzimm | There are successful companies like Olimex that publish full CAD files for their hardware. |
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| 19:13.53 | flux242 | apple is like a sect. Who in own mind would stay a week day and night in front of an apple store waiting to be the first one to buy a new bending shit? |
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| 19:14.52 | flux242 | that's just insane |
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| 19:15.40 | Walex | flux242: once I asked a web graphics designed how many Apple branded devices he had at *home*. He took the Fifth :-). |
| 19:16.04 | ewzimm | Just goes to show success has a lot more to do with marketing than hiding hardware specs. It doesn't really matter if your proprietary hardware runs 5% faster than someone else's. If you both had the same tech with open specs, everything would run better everywhere and you could distinguish yourself in other ways. |
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| 19:17.10 | Walex | ewzimm: Apple stuff is actually usually pretty good too, and that is nice to see that despite the marketing they still care about "details". |
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| 19:19.14 | ewzimm | Details are why even some free software is better than others. There's a reason why companies will spend millions of dollars on free software with support and testing. |
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| 19:22.47 | hdurr | flux242: recent example: FTDI USB chips, did you check out the differences of the silicon original vs fake? even though the chinese copyists had everything they needed for a perfect copy, a "good enough" one was what came out |
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| 19:25.20 | flux242 | well, I was sarcastic of course about 1000 chinese |
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| 19:34.15 | dolcefollia | Hello |
| 19:34.28 | dolcefollia | Who know how i can install Thunderbird on debian? O_O |
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| 19:35.50 | dvs | !icedove |
| 19:35.51 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of 5.0 "Lenny". Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <why icedove>. Since July 2013, Icedove in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. http://wiki.debian.org/Icedove |
| 19:38.18 | dolcefollia | thx so much! |
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| 19:56.43 | dashs | why does "xhci_queue_intr_tx: 8 callbacks suppressed" msg NOT identify which USB device is the cause? |
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| 19:57.59 | Strogg | anyone know what you need to apt-get to have X recognize a wireless logitech mouse? I've got one debian system where it works, and another where it doesn't |
| 19:58.11 | Strogg | it doesn't work on the fresh system, though.. so I figure I'm just missing something |
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| 19:58.28 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: it should "just work", assuming it's implementing the standard usb input system |
| 19:58.55 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: you see it in lsusb, right? and you should also see it in xinput |
| 19:58.59 | Strogg | yeah.. it "just work"s on my desktop.. just not the laptop |
| 19:59.10 | Strogg | dondelelcaro: I see the receiver in lsusb, but not the mouse |
| 19:59.16 | greycat | maybe the laptop's USB port is bad? |
| 19:59.20 | Strogg | on the desktop, I see both the receiver and the mouse |
| 19:59.43 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: hrm. what type of wireless mouse is it? is it a bluetooth one? |
| 20:00.18 | dvs | gets his BFG 9000 |
| 20:00.56 | Strogg | dondelelcaro: I don't think it's actually bluetooth. it's "2.4 GHZ" mouse |
| 20:01.03 | dondelelcaro | ah; OK |
| 20:01.16 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: and presumably it just auto pairs or something like that |
| 20:01.24 | Strogg | are 2 line pastes ok here? |
| 20:01.36 | flux242 | real hackers need no mouse! |
| 20:02.00 | Strogg | <-- doing schematic capture and layout. Needs a mouse. :) |
| 20:02.01 | greycat | 2 lines is fine |
| 20:02.17 | Strogg | here's lsusb output on my desktop |
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| 20:02.31 | Strogg | Bus 004 Device 006: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver |
| 20:02.37 | Strogg | Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c05a Logitech, Inc. M90/M100 Optical Mouse |
| 20:02.53 | Strogg | On my laptop, I only get the line about the Unifying Receiver |
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| 20:03.10 | Strogg | so.. I know the USB is ok.. it's seeing the receiver ok.. it's just not getting the mouse |
| 20:04.13 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: hrm... and lsusb -t; shows the mouse as connected to the receiver, right? |
| 20:04.24 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: because that almost looks like a separate optical mouse |
| 20:04.27 | Strogg | plugs back into desktop and checks |
| 20:04.37 | Strogg | LOL |
| 20:04.43 | Strogg | dondelelcaro: Immatard. |
| 20:04.57 | Strogg | dondelelcaro: that is my other mouse that's plugged in normally to my desktop |
| 20:05.04 | dondelelcaro | ah, OK. That makes sense |
| 20:05.25 | dondelelcaro | no worries; happens occasionally. [It's why the actual output is so useful] |
| 20:05.31 | Strogg | it just happens to also be logitech, so I didn't even think about it. |
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| 20:05.54 | Strogg | hrmm so the mouse is being detected ok.. X just isn't detecting it being added |
| 20:06.27 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: so you hopefully should see it in xinput list; |
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| 20:08.14 | Strogg | hrmm it listed when plugged in my desktop.. but my laptop doesn't list it. |
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| 20:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: hrm. and you have xserver-xorg-input-all; or similar installed, right? |
| 20:10.59 | dondelelcaro | (you don't actually need the -all, because you'd think that the mouse would be supported by -mouse...) |
| 20:11.37 | dondelelcaro | err, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, rather |
| 20:11.41 | Strogg | hrmm yeah.. I've got all, mouse, evdev, vmmouse and wacom |
| 20:11.48 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 20:11.54 | Strogg | vmmouse is for vmware, I think I read somewhere |
| 20:12.05 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: right. And you're running a Debian kernel on this machine? |
| 20:12.26 | Strogg | yeah.. 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 20:12.54 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: ok; does the mouse show up in /dev/input/by-path or /dev/input/by-id/ ? |
| 20:13.05 | dondelelcaro | (usually the path or id will have more information about what the mouse actually is) |
| 20:13.34 | dondelelcaro | (and you should see a similar line in dmesg when you plug the mouse in) |
| 20:14.04 | Strogg | aha. dmesg has errors. |
| 20:14.25 | Strogg | looks up failed with error -32 |
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| 20:16.57 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: apparently, you need solaar |
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| 20:17.22 | Strogg | hrmmmmm and probably a newer kernel |
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| 20:18.02 | Sbroker | happys 2015 |
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| 20:18.37 | Strogg | aww hell.. my laptop is running stable |
| 20:18.46 | Strogg | dist-upgrades to testing |
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| 20:19.39 | greycat | the github URL in the solaar factoid is 404 |
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| 20:22.57 | Strogg | yay! it works |
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| 20:23.18 | Strogg | that was silly. usually upgrading to testing is one of the first things I do when I install |
| 20:23.41 | Strogg | dondelelcaro: thanks for the nudges. I probably would have been at that a while without the help |
| 20:24.02 | Strogg | it can take a while to find the stuff you already thought was done |
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| 21:24.14 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:24.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 21:25.24 | iveevue | People still use squeeze? |
| 21:25.47 | dutchfish | !squeeze-lts |
| 21:25.47 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:51.59 | greycat | Well, it looks like I get to end the working year utterly defeated by CSS. Again. |
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| 21:54.15 | cafuego | greycat: Just run DeCSS |
| 21:54.38 | greycat | Not that one. The other one. The one you use in HTML. |
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| 21:57.48 | cafuego | body { display: none; } |
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| 21:58.31 | Kir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:59.22 | greycat | There is no browser. I'm generating PDFs. Now my boss wants a fancy cover page, so I'm trying to figure out how the hell you split a page into vertical regions instead of just lumping all the content into the top left corner. |
| 21:59.33 | deSouza | is there hexchat in the debian repos? |
| 21:59.48 | cafuego | greycat: as in columns? |
| 22:00.12 | greycat | No. As in the patient's name centered in the middle of the page, with empty space above and below it. |
| 22:00.14 | cafuego | If it's just got a PDF you can cheat and use tables :-) |
| 22:00.34 | cafuego | greycat: Ah, margin-top: blahblah px; |
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| 22:01.41 | cafuego | greycat: you can do a page break via media queries, but the pdf converter may just ignore that |
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| 22:01.47 | greycat | Make up a random number of centimeters until it sort of fits? Ugh. |
| 22:01.55 | greycat | I've got the page-break-after bit working. |
| 22:02.04 | cafuego | greycat: Yes, that's what print design is. |
| 22:02.49 | greycat | Well, it gets to wait until next year. |
| 22:03.00 | cafuego | greycat: Not sure of a % top margin on the body would work, that would apply to the document and not the (arbitrary) page. |
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| 22:03.46 | greycat | cafuego: I was trying <div id="page1" style="height: 100%"> <div id="top" style="height: 50%"> ... and it just *DID NOT* work. |
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| 22:05.54 | Kir | greycat: what about the body element? |
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| 22:06.38 | greycat | Dunno. It's after 17:00. |
| 22:06.43 | yvear | how do I set up programs to execute with root permissions? i.e. right now I must do 'kdesudo gvim' but I just want to click gvim once on it's desktop icon (kubuntu) |
| 22:07.04 | greycat | yvear: write a wrapper script that does the sudo, and have the clickyclick run the wrapper |
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| 22:13.03 | yvear | greycat, so make a gvim_script.sh with its only line being 'kdesudo gvim'? |
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| 22:13.45 | greycat | well, I'd lose the .sh extension, and I'd probably make the contents: |
| 22:13.46 | greycat | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:13.51 | greycat | kdesudo gvim "$@" |
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| 22:14.40 | yvear | greycat, ok tyvm, and no extension? |
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| 22:15.00 | greycat | commands should not have extensions |
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| 22:15.07 | redstonecraftpl | Hi |
| 22:15.10 | redstonecraftpl | Happy new year |
| 22:15.37 | dvs | bah! |
| 22:15.46 | dvs | doesn't believe in New Year's! |
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| 22:15.56 | yvear | greycat, ok I see! could you please tell me what "$@" does? |
| 22:16.01 | redstonecraftpl | How i can make mouse cursor works globally? i have amiga cursor, but it works only in some apps |
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| 22:18.27 | cafuego | yvear: It means "all arguments passed to this script" |
| 22:19.04 | yvear | cafuego, thanks! |
| 22:19.37 | cafuego | yvear: So if you ran gvim_script.sh /etc/password the full command would be kdesudo gvim "/etc/password" |
| 22:20.06 | cafuego | yvear: Note that you must keep the double quotes there |
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| 22:49.01 | jhutchins | yvear: What's your native language? |
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| 22:49.34 | yvear | jhutchins, dutch |
| 22:50.11 | jhutchins | yvear: So you're saying that kdesudo does not seem to be doing anything? |
| 22:50.33 | yvear | jhutchins, that is right |
| 22:50.55 | jhutchins | yvear: Are you running it in a terminal or from the launcher? |
| 22:51.18 | fragtastic | having a bit of trouble with my usb drives, can't seem to find the right place to have them automount with the sync flag |
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| 22:51.43 | jhutchins | fragtastic: gnome? |
| 22:51.51 | yvear | jhutchins, running script from launcher, clicking its icon |
| 22:51.52 | fragtastic | yep |
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| 22:52.14 | fragtastic | same thing happens when I'm in xfce too IIRC |
| 22:52.17 | jhutchins | yvear: Try running it in a terminal so you can see the output. Might be an intelligible error. |
| 22:52.38 | jhutchins | fragtastic: gnome takes over the mounting, I don't think fstab entries will help. |
| 22:52.56 | jhutchins | fragtastic: On the other hand, I think somewhere in system settings you can set mount options. |
| 22:53.02 | jhutchins | does not use gnome. |
| 22:53.12 | fragtastic | jhutchins, yeah, i don't want to add 20 fstab entries for my flash drives either |
| 22:53.20 | jhutchins | yvear: That's always a good first step in troubleshooting. |
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| 22:53.31 | fragtastic | copying a 1GB file or something to them has it "copy" like 800MB to it then it just sits there till it really finishes |
| 22:53.35 | sammy | ohnoes jhutchins is here and I'm running out the door |
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| 22:53.54 | sammy | I'm still trying to run down those serial ports |
| 22:53.57 | yvear | jhutchins, bash: Desktop/gvim: Permission denied |
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| 22:54.36 | jhutchins | yvear: is gvim a script? It's also a binary/command. |
| 22:54.47 | fragtastic | i'll switch over to xfce to confirm it has the same problem |
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| 22:54.52 | Evropi | okay guys some serious s*** has gone down on my laptop |
| 22:54.56 | Evropi | and I need serious help |
| 22:55.07 | jhutchins | Evropi: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 22:55.12 | klys_ | yvear: $ chmod +x Desktop/gvim |
| 22:55.14 | Evropi | so suddenly I can't log into X, apparently because it can't write to /tmp |
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| 22:55.49 | jhutchins | Evropi: What did you do before it failed? |
| 22:55.51 | Evropi | I launched a shell in another tty and it turns out 96% of the disk is in use, I had a good 100gb free |
| 22:55.54 | redstonecraftpl | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 22:56.13 | jhutchins | Evropi: Yes, disk full will often prevent login. |
| 22:56.17 | Evropi | could it be systemd related? I see a systemd and pulseaudio file in there |
| 22:56.45 | Evropi | is there a way to find where some big ass files reside from the command line? |
| 22:56.48 | jhutchins | Evropi: 5% of the disk is reserved for system use, so the user can't write temp files when it's 95% or more full, even if there's 100G free. |
| 22:57.04 | Evropi | there's this one thing I was doing, I fancied myself a super hacker (like Daru) today and installed a program called wifite |
| 22:57.15 | jhutchins | Evropi: The du command will show what files use what space. |
| 22:57.18 | Evropi | well basically it didn't work, but I still created 3 'monitor'wifi devices |
| 22:57.36 | Evropi | is there a way to remove them |
| 22:57.41 | Evropi | mon0, mon1, et cetera |
| 22:57.52 | jhutchins | Evropi: rm shoudl remove them. |
| 22:57.55 | yvear | jhutchins, klys_, chmod did it tyvm!!! |
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| 22:58.04 | Evropi | they logged output from wireshark, which logs a good deal of stuff |
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| 22:58.16 | jhutchins | Evropi: Yup. Good way to kill a disk! |
| 22:58.26 | Evropi | jhutchins: know where they're located? I haven't cracked a network since 2011 :( |
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| 22:58.38 | fragtastic | jhutchins, yeah, it's doing the same thing in xfce |
| 22:58.39 | jhutchins | Evropi: wherever you set them up. |
| 22:58.40 | Evropi | (I still steal the same neighbour's connection, was just making some safeguards, haha) |
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| 22:59.06 | fragtastic | my drive magically has 200MB/sec+ and then drops down to <1 |
| 22:59.10 | Evropi | jhutchins: wifite makes them automatically (it's an automated cracking program so that's to be expected), I have no idea where they might be |
| 22:59.12 | jhutchins | fragtastic: If you have both gnome and xfce, I believe xfce uses the gnome tools for disk mounting, but it, too, has system settings for how disks are mounted. |
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| 22:59.47 | jhutchins | Evropi: updatedb && locate <file> |
| 22:59.53 | jhutchins | Evropi: Look in /tmp |
| 22:59.59 | Evropi | ahh forgot to updatedb, thank you |
| 23:00.02 | fragtastic | not sure where these settings are to change |
| 23:00.20 | jhutchins | Evropi: Look at the documentation that came with it, it shoudl say. |
| 23:00.27 | Evropi | crap, it can't open a temporary file for updatedb |
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| 23:00.48 | fragtastic | checked the settings applet and settings editor for anything |
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| 23:01.04 | fragtastic | and other places like udisks/udev |
| 23:01.14 | jhutchins | fragtastic: settings/settings manager/removeable devices on xfce |
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| 23:01.25 | Evropi | jhutchins: I think the find command doesn't the db? |
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| 23:01.52 | jhutchins | Evropi: ls /tmp |
| 23:02.01 | jhutchins | Evropi: rm -rf /tmp/* |
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| 23:02.17 | jhutchins | Evropi: logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 23:02.42 | fragtastic | there's no options to set the sync flag, just to enable auto mounting when inserted/hot-plugged, auto-run, and browse |
| 23:02.44 | jhutchins | Evropi: And, again, the documentation for the program. |
| 23:02.54 | Evropi | are you sure removing tmp is safe? there's a systemd and pulseaudiho file here, don't want to mess with them |
| 23:03.20 | jhutchins | Evropi: You'll probably want to kill X first to be sure it doesn't get messed up. |
| 23:03.27 | fragtastic | Evropi, those files are temporary anyway |
| 23:03.41 | jhutchins | Evropi: /tmp is allowed to be cleared on reboot. |
| 23:03.57 | DocMAX2 | something happens outside |
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| 23:05.30 | Evropi | what the hell... lightdm had launched 3 times |
| 23:05.33 | jhutchins | Evropi: delete old copies of logs (which you probably never use anyway). |
| 23:05.37 | Evropi | I killed one of them and now I'm in my i3 |
| 23:05.54 | jhutchins | Evropi: I'd do the cleanup from the console. |
| 23:05.57 | Evropi | and I thought windows buggered up badly when you fill the disk |
| 23:06.09 | Evropi | so jhutchins, any idea where those wireshark monitors might be? |
| 23:06.21 | Evropi | and no, the man page doesn't say anything |
| 23:06.26 | jhutchins | Evropi: Nope, I don't have the docs for the program you used. |
| 23:06.42 | Evropi | its docs are... quite rubbish :( |
| 23:06.55 | jhutchins | Evropi: /usr/share/docs/<program> |
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| 23:07.17 | jhutchins | Evropi: I'm betting it wasn't a .deb? |
| 23:07.31 | jhutchins | Evropi: Have you done any of the things I suggested yet? |
| 23:07.44 | Evropi | no, I installed it from the repo |
| 23:07.51 | Evropi | so it was, presumably |
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| 23:08.24 | Evropi | wifite seems to have no such docs |
| 23:08.30 | Evropi | damn my stupidity :( |
| 23:09.39 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.41 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.42 | jhutchins | Evropi: Ok, so you should be able to remove it with aptitude purge and that should take all the files with it. |
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| 23:09.43 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.47 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.49 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.51 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.53 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.54 | jhutchins | Evropi: If it doesn't, it should give useful errors. |
| 23:09.55 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.57 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.59 | redstonecraftpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.16 | Evropi | jhutchins: I actually did that before this reboot |
| 23:10.21 | Evropi | still 96% :( |
| 23:10.39 | Evropi | also tmp isn't the large one |
| 23:10.45 | Evropi | its files of a few kb in there |
| 23:10.51 | Evropi | the problem is the overall disk, I reckon |
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| 23:11.13 | Evropi | du -h is a long list of the whole system, I wonder where I can find useful data :( |
| 23:11.17 | jhutchins | Evropi: Nonetheless, each step I gave you should free a little more space, and eventually you might be able to log in. |
| 23:11.28 | Evropi | oh no I'm logged in |
| 23:11.34 | jhutchins | Evropi: You can also look in /var/tmp, but be sure you know what you're deleting before you delete. |
| 23:11.42 | Evropi | for some reason, killing one of the 3 lightdm instances logged me straight in?? |
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| 23:12.08 | Evropi | nope, just 36k again |
| 23:12.10 | jhutchins | Evropi: You only want one instance of lightdm. |
| 23:12.23 | Evropi | well, the system seems to launch 3 :( |
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| 23:12.37 | jhutchins | Evropi: probably because of the errors. |
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| 23:12.47 | Evropi | there's also nginx running for some reason even though I purged it from the system ages ago |
| 23:13.43 | Evropi | jhutchins: you seem to know your stuff, want ssh access? If you don't mind |
| 23:14.04 | Evropi | oh nginx was a metapackage. Need to remove nginx-common, sigh |
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| 23:15.01 | RayzrShrp | anybody know how to make my date command show the time in 12 hour format instead of 24 |
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| 23:15.29 | RayzrShrp | i ran dpk-reconfigure tzdata and set it to america/chicago but still showing in 24 hour when i run data |
| 23:15.34 | aspect | RayzrShrp: try `man date` |
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| 23:16.10 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: I don't know off the top of my head, I would look at the format syntax in man date. I usually have to try more than once to get what I want. |
| 23:16.12 | RayzrShrp | xfce4 shows the right time only happens at cli |
| 23:16.43 | aspect | Evropi: your disk use explosion might be from one of wifite's dependencies rather than itself - pyrit looks like a good candidate |
| 23:16.45 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: That is correct, the default output of date is 24hr. |
| 23:17.03 | RayzrShrp | hmmm ok |
| 23:17.06 | Evropi | aspect: I was thinking wireshark but fair point... any ideas on how to rid myself of that size? |
| 23:17.12 | RayzrShrp | so conky is using date for its display then |
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| 23:17.28 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: I doubt it. |
| 23:18.50 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: anything that is using date +%r will show AM/PM if that's what your locale uses |
| 23:18.52 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: The system clock is 24hr though (has to be). |
| 23:18.53 | aspect | evropi, chase dependencies, du -sh * .??* in home dirs of users that may have invoked wifite, du -sh /var/* (and be careful how you act on the results) |
| 23:19.08 | RayzrShrp | well im running conky and its showing the time in 24 hour format |
| 23:19.30 | RayzrShrp | yet xfce4 shows it as 5:19pm which is how i want it |
| 23:19.34 | RayzrShrp | conky shows 17:19 |
| 23:20.35 | aspect | if the solution to getting different output from `date` was reading its documentation ... |
| 23:20.56 | RayzrShrp | forget it |
| 23:21.07 | dondelelcaro | err, %c, not %r |
| 23:21.10 | RayzrShrp | someone just said conky doesnt use date for its output |
| 23:21.20 | fragtastic | RayzrShrp, http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-Using-12H-time-in-the-default-conky |
| 23:21.21 | RayzrShrp | so reading the docs makes no difference |
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| 23:22.33 | aspect | so close to the reasoning I was trying to encourage, and yet so far |
| 23:22.34 | fragtastic | RayzrShrp, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-formatting-dates-for-display/ |
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| 23:22.41 | dondelelcaro | or presumably just ${time %r } |
| 23:22.58 | RayzrShrp | thank you fragtastic |
| 23:23.16 | dondelelcaro | because conky is almost certainly using strftime, not date. [But date uses strftime, so it's not like it matters.] |
| 23:23.24 | fragtastic | use google next time |
| 23:23.48 | fragtastic | "linux date 12 hour time" |
| 23:24.28 | fragtastic | brings up more documentation |
| 23:24.29 | jhutchins | fragtastic: Well, he wants conky date, not linux date. |
| 23:24.30 | Evropi | aspect: ugh... I just ran it for root. I'm getting nothing unusual |
| 23:24.35 | Evropi | aspect: |
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| 23:25.00 | fragtastic | jhutchins, i linked him both since he was talking about date as well |
| 23:25.17 | Evropi | aspect: oops sorry, it's the laptop keyboard. Anyway, I ran it as root for root and... the largest folder is 5.5gb. A far cry from the 256 gb this hdd packs |
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| 23:27.02 | Evropi | aspect: ... but I think you might be on to something! My /var is an unprecedented 5.2 GB!!! Which is a good portion of my entire root partition |
| 23:27.34 | Evropi | aspect: 4.8gb of that are shared between syslog.l and daemon.log.l. Are you familiar with them? |
| 23:28.09 | Evropi | aspect: err. 1 not .l |
| 23:28.17 | jhutchins | Evropi: Not sure why they would have .l at the end, but I'm betting you didn't run logrotate yet. |
| 23:28.29 | jhutchins | Evropi: Ah, you can safely delete those. |
| 23:28.46 | dvs | I'd see what the error messages are first |
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| 23:29.52 | Evropi | jhutchins: yeah, I just removed them instead of compressing them or whatever with logrotate |
| 23:30.23 | jhutchins | Evropi: Have you explored the du command? |
| 23:30.27 | Evropi | jhutchins: I tac'd the syslog file though and found something interesting... I *really* need to find a way to remove those monitor interfaces, which didn't work anyway |
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| 23:31.08 | Evropi | and yeah I was getting all these stats with some strategic du;s |
| 23:31.34 | Evropi | jhutchins: any idea on how I can remove all those devices? They make a log entry every second with errors. Yes, really :( |
| 23:31.46 | coste | Evropi: have you ran something along the lines of locate mon ? |
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| 23:32.45 | Evropi | good idea, I can now updatedb (as there is space), lemme try that |
| 23:33.35 | Evropi | coste: hmm... that didn't help. I think it might be a network manager device |
| 23:34.28 | coste | Evropi: i've used wifite but only on a kali vm. i want to say they're created either in /etc/init.d/ or /dev, can't confirm though. |
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| 23:35.14 | jhutchins | Evropi: ps axu |
| 23:35.47 | jhutchins | coste: possibly /var/dev, but he'd want to kill the process, not attack the devices. |
| 23:36.10 | Evropi | haha, yeah, I'd like to remove them |
| 23:36.19 | Evropi | they're not real devices, just monitor devices set up by that program |
| 23:36.20 | jhutchins | Evropi: If you've freed some space you could try locate again. |
| 23:36.30 | Evropi | yeah, it didn't find anything of use |
| 23:36.37 | Evropi | and I tried various commands, even as root |
| 23:36.44 | jhutchins | Evropi: If they're logging then there's a process running, not just devices. |
| 23:36.50 | Evropi | also tried find, again nothing with a name like 'mon |
| 23:37.11 | jhutchins | Evropi: If they're logging then there's a process running, not just devices. |
| 23:37.29 | Evropi | well, I'm going to reboot, see if they log again |
| 23:37.46 | Evropi | what I mentioned was the old logs though I wouldn't be surprised if those mon devices are still around |
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| 23:38.36 | Evropi | hmm... I looked at ´ip link´, no devices found |
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| 23:41.24 | Evropi | well, it's no longer logging those errors so I can only assume mon0 is verboten |
| 23:42.32 | Evropi | I am now wondering why there seem be 3 instances for everything |
| 23:42.42 | Evropi | network manager, lightdm... |
| 23:42.51 | jhutchins | Evropi: That's linux. |
| 23:43.04 | jhutchins | Evropi: Er, no, that's not right. |
| 23:43.17 | Evropi | that's gnu/linux? :) |
| 23:43.29 | jhutchins | Evropi: No, sorry, was thinking of something else. |
| 23:43.35 | jhutchins | Evropi: I think I'd reboot. |
| 23:43.41 | Evropi | I just rebooted |
| 23:43.51 | jhutchins | Evropi: Still three instances? |
| 23:43.59 | Evropi | yup. |
| 23:44.01 | Evropi | only startup stuff though |
| 23:44.28 | Evropi | this is a guess but it might have something to do with debian's init scripts. This is a super lightweight setup that started without xorg |
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| 23:44.39 | Evropi | and I'm thinking maybe debian adds them to xorg's launch scripts too or whatever |
| 23:45.11 | Evropi | it also launches iceweasel over 10 times, or rather, in many, many PIDs |
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| 23:45.26 | Evropi | which is worrying, and that's most definitely NOT a startup thing |
| 23:45.58 | Evropi | wonders if someone in a LUG could help him out |
| 23:46.04 | Evropi | or is that too advanced? |
| 23:46.35 | jhutchins | Evropi: No, this is not normal. |
| 23:46.47 | jhutchins | Evropi: You've done something weird to your system. |
| 23:47.03 | jhutchins | Evropi: It might be simpler to reinstall at this point. |
| 23:47.30 | Evropi | noooo that is not happening |
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| 23:48.05 | Evropi | I have a friend who works at samsung but he uses freebsd and his solution to most things is 'don't use linux' |
| 23:48.14 | Evropi | but he knows his stuff |
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| 23:48.53 | osram | Heh, just like my solution is 'don't use samsung' :D |
| 23:50.02 | Evropi | osram: he doesn't either, it's hilarious. They have all betrayed the company, half his floor has an 1+1 instead of a Tizen device xD |
| 23:50.32 | Evropi | (Tizen runs on Enlightenment WM but with custom widgets; he was an E dev and still works on the wm and stuff around it there, in Samsung's open source office in Staines) |
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| 23:50.40 | Evropi | they have jobs going right now if you're interested |
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| 23:52.16 | osram | Evropi: thanks, I'm good :) |
| 23:53.30 | Evropi | yeah a lot of foss types don't like samsung |
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| 23:53.36 | Evropi | though they are a huge contributor to the E project |
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| 23:53.50 | Evropi | they make howitzers for instance http://samsungtechwin.com/product/product_05_01_01.asp |
| 23:54.05 | Evropi | which doesn't jive well with the ideals of all the gnu hippies |
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| 23:55.49 | Evropi | jhutchins: hmm... tell you what, I'm not sure if there actually are like 20 processes per program. only htop repeats them, in top they're there only once |
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| 23:57.24 | Evropi | jhutchins: same goes for ps aux... maybe htop is just unreliable? |
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| 23:59.47 | Evropi | jhutchins: actually, pstree shows htop might not be all wrong. I think htop might be seeing _threads_ of these programs. See this paste: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/07683312/ |
| 23:59.54 | fragtastic | Evropi, you mean threads per process? |