| 00:00.11 | Scratso | that may have been because of my original Gnome configuration, as I had set my external monitor as an extra monitor - not a projector. |
| 00:00.12 | tremon | boulder-ruby: force-confnew, see man dpkg |
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| 00:02.11 | dolcefollia | hello! :) |
| 00:03.31 | boulder-ruby | tremon: so, âapt-get -y -o âDpkg::Options=âforce-confnewâ dist-upgradeâ should do the job?? |
| 00:04.10 | boulder-ruby | âââ => âââ |
| 00:04.43 | jelly-home | boulder-ruby: does your client do that silly conversion from -- to â ? |
| 00:04.47 | boulder-ruby | yeah |
| 00:05.11 | boulder-ruby | mac. |
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| 00:05.33 | dolcefollia | who can help me to setup wifi connection? :) |
| 00:05.37 | dolcefollia | Good 2015 all! |
| 00:06.31 | tremon | boulder-ruby: it should, as long as you also have debconf set to only critical questions. It should be possible to preseed those questions even on an installed system, I believe, but have never looked into it |
| 00:06.41 | boulder-ruby | dolcefollia: from command line run âstartxâ. Use GUI to configure wifi |
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| 00:06.52 | dolcefollia | boulder-ruby: i got xfce4 |
| 00:07.03 | tremon | boulder-ruby: btw dpkg-reconfigure debconf does ask for priority, at least on my machine. It's the second question |
| 00:07.36 | Arizon | stupid question but how do you know you are safe in debian? how do you know that that one harmless looking site where you enabled javascript in the browser didn't just infect you with a keylogger? |
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| 00:08.24 | dolcefollia | with xfce4 i use wicd |
| 00:08.29 | dolcefollia | Do you know boulder-ruby? |
| 00:08.33 | tremon | Arizon: you don't, in general. You may believe yourself to be safe, but it's virtually impossible to "know" |
| 00:08.55 | boulder-ruby | dolcefollia: you asking me? yeah, on stackoverflow thats me |
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| 00:12.37 | boulder-ruby | tremon: ok, found that second option. Here we go.... |
| 00:14.57 | boulder-ruby | dolcefollia: in my case, it wasnât nearly as easy as on windows or mac. You have to click to open the âscan for a networkâ button. Then you have to click the âscanâ button. Then you have to figure out that âPSKâ means âpasswordâ and fill that in. Its not what you think in terms of typical GUI experiences. |
| 00:16.03 | dolcefollia | boulder-ruby: the problem is not this. |
| 00:16.14 | dolcefollia | I like to read and study |
| 00:16.26 | dolcefollia | but i think, i need a small help. |
| 00:16.28 | boulder-ruby | haha ok Iâm not youâre man |
| 00:16.33 | boulder-ruby | *your |
| 00:16.44 | dolcefollia | For xfce4 i use wicd |
| 00:16.49 | dolcefollia | i read manual :) |
| 00:17.06 | dolcefollia | but... in the "Gui" of Wicd (Network Manager) |
| 00:17.16 | dolcefollia | don't see any "Wifi Network" |
| 00:17.33 | dolcefollia | if i make line comand i got: |
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| 00:19.16 | Arizon | trem0r : i'm just wondering what practices you all have for safe browsing online |
| 00:20.13 | dolcefollia | boulder-ruby: http://paste.debian.net/138867/ |
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| 00:20.58 | boulder-ruby | tremon: âsudo apt-get installl -y -o âDpkg::Options=âforce-confnewâ dist-upgradeâ appears to be doing the job ty |
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| 00:22.29 | boulder-ruby | I also did the change with dpkg-reconfigure so that may be helping as well |
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| 00:32.14 | r3n1c0n | hi |
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| 00:32.28 | r3n1c0n | can some one tell me how to build .mobi or pdf from rss feeds on linux |
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| 00:36.12 | Vanfanel | hi. Do you know if the gcc version on a client (ARM) and the gcc crosscompiler version in a DISTCC server (X86) should match?? |
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| 00:40.20 | ROG3R | I've set a wallpaper with 'feh'. I can see it through the transparent terminal , yet its not there if I click on desktop [lxde] |
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| 00:42.26 | doublehp_ | hello; i have a 1200x700 screen; when playing 5/4 movies in full screen, the image is top aligned, adjusted to fit width, so that the lower quart of image is cropped; how to make mplayer fit height, and get black stripes on sides ? |
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| 00:48.04 | boulder-ruby | tremon: still getting prompted oh well |
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| 00:54.46 | ROG3R | I've set a wallpaper with 'feh'. I can see it through the transparent terminal , yet its not there if I click on desktop [lxde] |
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| 01:02.35 | wejrwejrwjer | yo |
| 01:02.37 | wejrwejrwjer | yo yo |
| 01:02.56 | wejrwejrwjer | anyone know how to disable system loggings |
| 01:02.56 | wejrwejrwjer | logigng |
| 01:02.59 | wejrwejrwjer | and most logging |
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| 01:03.50 | doublehp_ | wejrwejrwjer: remove the logging daemon from your runlevel |
| 01:04.18 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: I want to disablle all loging system wide. |
| 01:04.22 | doublehp_ | cd /etc/rc2.d/ ; mv S01rsyslog K01rsyslog |
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| 01:04.52 | doublehp_ | wejrwejrwjer: logging is managed mainly by this daemon;then, each app is free to have individual logging: have to custom each conf |
| 01:05.09 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: can I tell it to log to /dev/null |
| 01:05.12 | wejrwejrwjer | ? |
| 01:05.19 | doublehp_ | wejrwejrwjer: I fear asking why you would want that ... |
| 01:05.28 | doublehp_ | wejrwejrwjer: you can ... daemon by daemon |
| 01:05.30 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: probable deniability. |
| 01:05.57 | doublehp_ | ? |
| 01:06.06 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: no logs = good |
| 01:06.07 | wejrwejrwjer | dont ask. |
| 01:06.27 | doublehp_ | or, more simply: make /var/log a folder mounting a RO block ... |
| 01:06.31 | wejrwejrwjer | one of the things that logging needs to be off for is a server that runs a tor client |
| 01:07.09 | doublehp_ | wejrwejrwjer: I have never found any good reason to disable logs; onl false reasons to do it.Any way, I already gave 2 answers |
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| 01:07.32 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: can't I set /var/log to act like /dev/null |
| 01:07.33 | wejrwejrwjer | ? |
| 01:07.46 | doublehp_ | 02:06 < doublehp_> or, more simply: make /var/log a folder mounting a RO block |
| 01:07.58 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: I didn't know what that meant, sorry. |
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| 01:08.43 | doublehp_ | Linux is a stupid limited crappy OS; you can not set arbitrary limits to folder like you can on other professionnal Os like windows NT, or Hurd ... |
| 01:09.11 | jaggzt | flash doesn't work at all.. |
| 01:09.12 | paultag | :> |
| 01:09.21 | jaggzt | does your iceweasel show gnash in the addons/plugins area? |
| 01:09.21 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: what |
| 01:09.22 | wejrwejrwjer | :> |
| 01:09.30 | doublehp_ | you have to workaround with what you have: create a small file (128k should do), create a small FS inside, and moint it read only |
| 01:09.40 | wejrwejrwjer | doublehp_: :s |
| 01:09.43 | wejrwejrwjer | I'm not new to linux |
| 01:09.49 | wejrwejrwjer | just to special directories |
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| 01:09.54 | jaggzt | doublehp_, don't use it |
| 01:10.03 | jaggzt | but I agree linux is horrible! |
| 01:10.12 | jaggzt | but I've used it since 1995 :) |
| 01:10.18 | wejrwejrwjer | Linux isn't horrible in whole |
| 01:10.21 | wejrwejrwjer | some parts sucks. |
| 01:10.30 | aphorise | Why do I get "Err http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources" after appending "non-free contrib" to my source.list ? |
| 01:10.30 | wejrwejrwjer | I am loving OpenBox |
| 01:10.34 | jaggzt | alright guys, let's take this to ##windows |
| 01:10.36 | jaggzt | ;) |
| 01:10.42 | wejrwejrwjer | xD! |
| 01:10.51 | doublehp_ | jaggzt: Windows SUX; but NTFS had good ideas |
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| 01:12.03 | Hunterkll | -_- |
| 01:12.26 | Hunterkll | what |
| 01:12.41 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, a lot of the higher level security grouping/models isn't done at the NTFS level, just FYI :P |
| 01:12.53 | Hunterkll | same thing with the new RBAC security model in '12 |
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| 01:13.22 | Hunterkll | (a lot of it is stashed in filesystem level, but as extended attributes and whatnot, not as 'this field is for security SIDs' sense) |
| 01:13.27 | doublehp_ | windows is already at version 12 ? hey skipped 9 10 and 11 ? |
| 01:13.37 | Hunterkll | .... server 2012 |
| 01:13.39 | wejrwejrwjer | no |
| 01:13.39 | wejrwejrwjer | 10 |
| 01:13.43 | Hunterkll | as in, pervious version of server OS |
| 01:13.46 | Hunterkll | (we're on 12R2 right now) |
| 01:14.14 | doublehp_ | goes away from OT. |
| 01:14.41 | Hunterkll | completes the daily 'feed the trolls' achievement and wanders off to dealing with kernel 2.2/2.3 |
| 01:14.58 | ROG3R | my sound plays either in apps like video layer or music player,,,, or in browser flash. whichever i use first. for example if i start vatching videos on youtube, VLC would be soundless. |
| 01:15.17 | wejrwejrwjer | ROG3R: for me it works perfectly |
| 01:15.21 | wejrwejrwjer | but i run Crunchbang now. |
| 01:15.26 | wejrwejrwjer | I got sick of having to setup Debian the way I wanted it. |
| 01:15.27 | Hunterkll | O.o? |
| 01:15.30 | Hunterkll | I don't use debian |
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| 01:15.35 | Hunterkll | <systemd-arguments-here> |
| 01:15.36 | wejrwejrwjer | O-o |
| 01:15.49 | doublehp_ | ROG3R: miss configured ALSA and dmix |
| 01:15.50 | Hunterkll | Slackware and Gentoo and the fork of debian are the only uninfected distros left |
| 01:16.05 | wejrwejrwjer | you realize you can removei t |
| 01:16.10 | wejrwejrwjer | and use apps that don't require it. |
| 01:16.22 | wejrwejrwjer | you could also try writing a wrapper for it. |
| 01:16.25 | Hunterkll | gnome is moving to hard depend on it |
| 01:16.25 | ROG3R | doublehp_: what can be done |
| 01:16.27 | Hunterkll | among other things |
| 01:16.29 | doublehp_ | ROG3R: or you have a very very old sound card on which alsa can't perform software multiplexing |
| 01:16.42 | wejrwejrwjer | what is wrong with systemd |
| 01:16.42 | wejrwejrwjer | anyways |
| 01:16.44 | Hunterkll | also, you can't just 'remove' systemd from the latest versions easily at all |
| 01:16.45 | Arizon | infected? |
| 01:16.52 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to make PID 1 socket aware? |
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| 01:16.56 | ROG3R | doublehp_: it worked fine before , so it must be misconfigured |
| 01:17.00 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: wat |
| 01:17.00 | Hunterkll | I can see 2359082502398 ways that can go wrong |
| 01:17.06 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: wat . wat |
| 01:17.07 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, PID1, init, is now socket aware |
| 01:17.13 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: can you disable it... |
| 01:17.14 | Hunterkll | what happens when PID1 chokes to a system? |
| 01:17.23 | wejrwejrwjer | can you disable it. |
| 01:17.34 | Hunterkll | Nope. |
| 01:17.38 | wejrwejrwjer | ; - ; |
| 01:17.39 | wejrwejrwjer | why |
| 01:17.41 | wejrwejrwjer | death to systemd |
| 01:17.42 | Hunterkll | that's how they do some of thier "systemd" magic |
| 01:17.50 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, to be fair, it's local domain sockets, not tcp sockets |
| 01:17.52 | Hunterkll | but *still* |
| 01:18.01 | Hunterkll | there's now a semblance of networking code in PID1 |
| 01:18.04 | Hunterkll | oh |
| 01:18.11 | Hunterkll | and did you hear about the push to move VTs out of the kernel? |
| 01:18.11 | wejrwejrwjer | ok |
| 01:18.13 | wejrwejrwjer | :s |
| 01:18.13 | Hunterkll | into a userspace daemon? |
| 01:18.18 | Hunterkll | what happens when that daemon's dead |
| 01:18.19 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: that doesn't sound bad |
| 01:18.21 | Hunterkll | and i need to rekick X |
| 01:18.23 | doublehp_ | hello; i have a 1200x700 screen; when playing 5/4 movies in full screen, the image is top aligned, adjusted to fit width, so that the lower quart of image is cropped; how to make mplayer fit height, and get black stripes on sides ? |
| 01:18.29 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: why would the daemon be dead. |
| 01:18.35 | wejrwejrwjer | for init |
| 01:18.35 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, why does any software crash |
| 01:18.43 | wejrwejrwjer | true |
| 01:18.45 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, systemd wants to move VTs into a userspace daemon |
| 01:18.51 | Hunterkll | console VTs |
| 01:18.54 | Hunterkll | you know, the ctrl+alt+F# ones |
| 01:18.55 | wejrwejrwjer | so |
| 01:18.59 | wejrwejrwjer | I don't see that as bad. |
| 01:19.01 | Hunterkll | into a userspace daemon |
| 01:19.05 | wejrwejrwjer | so? |
| 01:19.12 | wejrwejrwjer | wouldn't that improve security. |
| 01:19.14 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, unless the kernel's dead, VT's will, for the most part, always work. |
| 01:19.15 | Hunterkll | no? |
| 01:19.20 | Hunterkll | you still have to log in... |
| 01:19.21 | wejrwejrwjer | ok |
| 01:19.27 | Hunterkll | with a userspace daemon? |
| 01:19.32 | wejrwejrwjer | wat |
| 01:19.34 | Hunterkll | who knows if VTs will be there when you absoultely need them |
| 01:19.39 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, ctrl+alt+F# |
| 01:19.41 | wejrwejrwjer | FUD! |
| 01:19.42 | Hunterkll | what do you get |
| 01:19.43 | wejrwejrwjer | FUDGE! |
| 01:19.47 | wejrwejrwjer | spread the FUDGE! |
| 01:19.48 | doublehp_ | i don't need to log in; i start my VTs with shell directly |
| 01:19.50 | Hunterkll | a login prompt :P |
| 01:19.51 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: I know VT |
| 01:19.55 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, the same login mechanism that you'd get in userspace |
| 01:19.57 | Hunterkll | or over serial console |
| 01:20.16 | Hunterkll | so is systemd going to implement serial console support in userspace daemon too? part of that same overall subsystem |
| 01:20.23 | Hunterkll | if that's the case, then i'm really screwed on my embedded devices |
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| 01:20.28 | wejrwejrwjer | no. |
| 01:20.28 | wejrwejrwjer | just no. |
| 01:20.29 | Hunterkll | i only have 32 megs of storage! |
| 01:20.29 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: lolno. |
| 01:20.33 | Hunterkll | :P |
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| 01:20.46 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, hey, systemd is taking over damn everything else |
| 01:20.53 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: LRP and friends. |
| 01:20.58 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: fuckdat |
| 01:21.06 | Hunterkll | with gnome no longer doing it's own session management soon, and using systemd's session manager |
| 01:21.07 | Hunterkll | guess what? |
| 01:21.08 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: GRML has a 90M version |
| 01:21.10 | Hunterkll | gnome is hard-depend on systemd |
| 01:21.26 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, i've been doealing with the same devices for 15 years now, i'm aware. i'm well aware. ;) |
| 01:21.47 | Hunterkll | 206MHz SA1110 processor |
| 01:21.51 | Hunterkll | 64MB ram |
| 01:21.54 | Hunterkll | 32MB intel flashrom |
| 01:22.03 | wejrwejrwjer | wow |
| 01:22.09 | Hunterkll | i am getting some xscale devices soon though |
| 01:22.09 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: install templeos |
| 01:22.11 | Hunterkll | the next model up |
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| 01:22.13 | wejrwejrwjer | install Temple OS |
| 01:22.17 | wejrwejrwjer | install Temple OS |
| 01:22.29 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: Raspberry Pi is likely to be more powerfull, and consume less energy |
| 01:22.30 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, does temple OS use kernel 2.2 thru 2.6.*0* ? |
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| 01:22.57 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: temple os is described as a Schitsophyrinic OS |
| 01:22.59 | wejrwejrwjer | so i'd assume no. |
| 01:23.04 | wejrwejrwjer | it's wroe in pure ASM |
| 01:23.06 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, and will it have infrared, native hardware serial port, battery backup, PCMCIA, compact flash, and wifi/bluetooth? |
| 01:23.26 | Hunterkll | yes. native hardware serial port. pocket sized device. you have to make a cable though, but it's pinned out to have serial on the dock/cradle connector |
| 01:23.37 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: pics |
| 01:23.44 | Hunterkll | iPaq 3850 PDA :P |
| 01:23.51 | wejrwejrwjer | pics |
| 01:23.55 | Hunterkll | lol |
| 01:24.12 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: why are you buying that |
| 01:24.34 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, all the requirements i just listed, for $5-10 a unit |
| 01:24.39 | wejrwejrwjer | .... |
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| 01:24.40 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: why |
| 01:24.47 | Hunterkll | it's literally the same device i did most of my linux porting/development on when i was in middle school |
| 01:24.47 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: there are IR and seriel extensions (IR must be bought; serial, you just need to buy the cables and plugs, the board is signal rady). Battery backup is available on market for very cheap, and easy to make home. The other things you ask for are available via USB. |
| 01:24.47 | Hunterkll | lol |
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| 01:25.07 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, so, okay, instead of $2.50-10/unit |
| 01:25.09 | Hunterkll | i'll spend how much? |
| 01:25.31 | Hunterkll | and it'll take up how much space instead of fitting almost all of it in a shirt pocket? |
| 01:25.34 | Hunterkll | and there's PCMCIA to USB? |
| 01:26.17 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: rpi needs 5V 50mA as supply for basic use; it's usually the wifi cards that consumes most; you calibrate your backup battery upon this factor; any "external battery" for mobile phones, like any battery between 5Ah and 30Ah will do the job, for more than 2d autonomy (maybe up to 1 week) |
| 01:26.39 | Hunterkll | so, like my current solution, but more expensive |
| 01:26.41 | Hunterkll | a lot more |
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| 01:27.42 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: why |
| 01:27.44 | Hunterkll | and we're ignoring the fact that the raspi's ethernet and USB stacks/hardware is utter shit and taxes the fuck out of the CPU to use |
| 01:27.46 | wejrwejrwjer | why do you need this |
| 01:27.51 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: it's not that bad. |
| 01:28.02 | wejrwejrwjer | it's improved with the addition of HF |
| 01:28.03 | Hunterkll | 30-60% of the CPU blasted doing a network to USB transfer |
| 01:28.12 | wejrwejrwjer | not for me |
| 01:28.13 | Hunterkll | and i can't max out any throughput at all |
| 01:28.14 | wejrwejrwjer | :s |
| 01:28.17 | wejrwejrwjer | only 10% |
| 01:28.23 | Hunterkll | still, even for you |
| 01:28.26 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: rpi is the size of a credit card, plus theplugs; the raw cost is $29 (without any optio). Yes i have seen PCMCIA USB adapters. There have been people building a laptop like rpi just a bit gigger than 2 match boxes (rpi, batt, screen) |
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| 01:28.51 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: get a odroid |
| 01:28.52 | Hunterkll | that's 10% of CPU being taken up by something that other similar costing boards is done in hardware, wejrwejrwjer |
| 01:28.54 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: just mentionning more recent hardware; if you are ahppy with your 15y old arch, up to you. |
| 01:28.55 | Hunterkll | WHY? |
| 01:29.08 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, it's ARM, and it's literally $2.50-10/unit |
| 01:29.18 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: odroid |
| 01:29.20 | Hunterkll | and it's a hardware platform i know *intimately* well |
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| 01:29.40 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, so that's like, $65 |
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| 01:29.58 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: $50? |
| 01:29.59 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, that, and it's in a nice, neat case that i can use to take and give demos of |
| 01:30.02 | wejrwejrwjer | $40? |
| 01:30.03 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: I am proposing; not seling. |
| 01:30.05 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, http://www.hardkernel.com/main/main.php |
| 01:30.08 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: it's faster and runs linu :D |
| 01:30.16 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, i'm very aware. I have a raspi on the shelf |
| 01:30.20 | Hunterkll | just ... it's a peice of crap |
| 01:30.29 | Hunterkll | i got it because of hte hype |
| 01:30.30 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: up to you. |
| 01:30.31 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: it's not a piece of crap |
| 01:30.32 | Hunterkll | and was overly disappointed with it |
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| 01:30.34 | wejrwejrwjer | it wasn't intended for more than learning |
| 01:30.36 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, binary blob bootloader |
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| 01:30.49 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: the Pi wasn't designed for anything more than educational |
| 01:30.52 | doublehp_ | wejrwejrwjer: depends on the need |
| 01:30.56 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: use it for it's application. |
| 01:31.04 | wejrwejrwjer | not for what it was unintended for |
| 01:31.32 | Hunterkll | thought it was intended as a cheap sbc for developers/hackers/builders/whatever the fuck you want to label them |
| 01:31.41 | Hunterkll | and the 'educational' aspect was used to push units to meet a pricepoint |
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| 01:31.52 | Hunterkll | a pricepoint at which other devices are more open and easier to use and have better hardware at ... |
| 01:31.58 | doublehp_ | Hunterkll: aleady sent your link to several friends |
| 01:32.07 | Hunterkll | doublehp_, the odroid? |
| 01:32.09 | Hunterkll | yea it's a nice unit |
| 01:32.12 | Hunterkll | but just too damn expensive |
| 01:32.15 | Hunterkll | i don't need HD output |
| 01:32.21 | Hunterkll | hell, i barely need the 800x400 or whatever these units have |
| 01:32.25 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: lol |
| 01:32.26 | Hunterkll | i don't even need a GPU really lol |
| 01:32.29 | OSVG | You're alone in that then. |
| 01:32.29 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: it's good for it's price |
| 01:32.31 | wejrwejrwjer | :p |
| 01:32.39 | Hunterkll | i can't argue that |
| 01:32.45 | OSVG | You're probably looking for something that is an edge case compared to mainstream SBCs |
| 01:32.48 | Hunterkll | where the fuck is my other zarus .... |
| 01:33.00 | Hunterkll | OSVG, actually, i'm looking for what's pretty much the exact hardware in an iPaq 3850 |
| 01:33.04 | Hunterkll | that's why i have 3 on my desk |
| 01:33.08 | Hunterkll | and two SL-5500 zarus's |
| 01:33.14 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: what do you use them for |
| 01:33.17 | wejrwejrwjer | exactly |
| 01:33.27 | Hunterkll | monitoring and control stuff |
| 01:33.37 | Hunterkll | one's going to go deal with a shoddy UPS situation i'm having |
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| 01:33.47 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: pi |
| 01:33.51 | wejrwejrwjer | why not pi |
| 01:33.52 | wejrwejrwjer | or arduino |
| 01:33.55 | Hunterkll | ............... |
| 01:33.55 | Hunterkll | price? |
| 01:33.56 | wejrwejrwjer | or chinese tablet |
| 01:34.01 | wejrwejrwjer | $20 |
| 01:34.04 | wejrwejrwjer | $10? |
| 01:34.08 | Hunterkll | chinese tablet have hard serial? |
| 01:34.11 | wejrwejrwjer | hell you can build an arduino for $5 |
| 01:34.14 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: yes |
| 01:34.14 | Hunterkll | and infrared for signaling? |
| 01:34.15 | wejrwejrwjer | internally. |
| 01:34.18 | wejrwejrwjer | some |
| 01:34.24 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, i've *taught* breadboard arduino classes |
| 01:34.25 | Hunterkll | i'm well aware |
| 01:34.27 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: you're picky x) |
| 01:34.29 | Hunterkll | AVRs are shit |
| 01:34.32 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: how old are you. |
| 01:34.36 | Hunterkll | Renaeses is a good vendor |
| 01:34.42 | Hunterkll | those MCUs are great |
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| 01:34.44 | Hunterkll | 100MHz, 32 bit |
| 01:34.52 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: how old are you. |
| 01:34.52 | Hunterkll | i hvae a dev kit board with a 3phase motorcontrol circuit on it |
| 01:34.53 | Hunterkll | lol |
| 01:34.56 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, does it matter? |
| 01:35.02 | Hunterkll | I just said I used the iPaq 3850's in middle school |
| 01:35.03 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: If I cat /dev/proc on your first computer |
| 01:35.07 | wejrwejrwjer | will it say kernel 1.0 |
| 01:35.13 | Hunterkll | no |
| 01:35.18 | wejrwejrwjer | lies. |
| 01:35.19 | Hunterkll | it'll probably say |
| 01:35.23 | Hunterkll | DOS VER 5.0 |
| 01:35.24 | wejrwejrwjer | you used a 486~ |
| 01:35.26 | wejrwejrwjer | ! |
| 01:35.27 | wejrwejrwjer | LOL |
| 01:35.32 | wejrwejrwjer | Dos was horrid. |
| 01:35.36 | wejrwejrwjer | god. |
| 01:35.37 | Hunterkll | was? |
| 01:35.37 | wejrwejrwjer | everything about that POS os. |
| 01:35.38 | Hunterkll | i still use it |
| 01:35.39 | Hunterkll | shit |
| 01:35.43 | Hunterkll | i'm putting up a BBS this weekend |
| 01:35.47 | Hunterkll | got a brand new USR modem and everything |
| 01:35.54 | wejrwejrwjer | ... |
| 01:35.59 | OSVG | This conversation is going places. Not anywhere particularly interesting or useful, but places. |
| 01:36.04 | Hunterkll | using my PS/2 to host it |
| 01:36.10 | wejrwejrwjer | how do you setup linux and dial up networking btw |
| 01:36.12 | Hunterkll | took a soldering iron to some SIMMs and upgraded that bitch to 8MB ram |
| 01:36.14 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: replace the PSU in your PS/2 |
| 01:36.16 | wejrwejrwjer | !!!! |
| 01:36.17 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 01:36.20 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, why replace it? |
| 01:36.28 | Hunterkll | IBM built damn good ones |
| 01:36.35 | wejrwejrwjer | old inefficient |
| 01:36.39 | wejrwejrwjer | likely to catch on fire at random... |
| 01:36.43 | Hunterkll | uh, no. |
| 01:36.44 | wejrwejrwjer | modern PSU's are better. |
| 01:36.46 | Hunterkll | i'm not going to modify classic hardware anyway |
| 01:36.51 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: you're using a 20+ year old PSU |
| 01:36.52 | Hunterkll | that's fucking retarded and ruins the systems |
| 01:36.58 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: lol |
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| 01:37.01 | OSVG | If you're using it, you're depreciating it and ruining it anyways. |
| 01:37.02 | Hunterkll | wejrwejrwjer, which means that I can trace the board by eye, and repair it manually |
| 01:37.08 | OSVG | If it catches fire it'll be literally worthless. |
| 01:37.11 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: I use a SeaSonic from 1998~ |
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| 01:37.19 | OSVG | If you repair it, it'll be literally worthless. |
| 01:37.20 | Hunterkll | OSVG, i use all my classic hardware that I deal in |
| 01:37.24 | Hunterkll | OSVG, not true at all |
| 01:37.26 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: old dell PSU's are indestructable. |
| 01:37.29 | Hunterkll | caps, transistors, etc |
| 01:37.34 | Hunterkll | that's all standard stuff that's done |
| 01:37.43 | Hunterkll | I have a PC/AT on my bench right now i'm trying to get to POST, actually |
| 01:37.51 | Hunterkll | i've already had to replace an xtal on the 287 |
| 01:37.54 | wejrwejrwjer | :o |
| 01:37.55 | Hunterkll | and stuff like that |
| 01:37.57 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: nice |
| 01:38.04 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: I grew up with pentium 2. |
| 01:38.06 | OSVG | Hunterkll: If you have people who will buy classic hardware that you've mucked with for anything except for a few dollars, then I applaud you on finding the Pawnshop's Paradise. |
| 01:38.07 | wejrwejrwjer | p2 /3 |
| 01:38.15 | Hunterkll | OSVG, the repairs are no big deal if you do them in the authentic way |
| 01:38.28 | Hunterkll | OSVG, i've had to repair PSUs in NeXT gear and still sold 'em for $1.5k+ |
| 01:38.35 | Hunterkll | just two caps, but still |
| 01:38.40 | Hunterkll | those wear out with or without use |
| 01:38.44 | OSVG | I would never buy anything someone who wasn't a certified repair vendor or certified electronics tech repaired for anything more than a handful of dollars. |
| 01:38.47 | bcm4318 | https://gnuser.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/broadcom-wifi-card-making-it-work-with-free-software is an oudated doc. i have not found a newer version that applies to Wheezy |
| 01:38.59 | Hunterkll | amusing |
| 01:39.01 | OSVG | So congrats to you, as I said, on finding the Pawnshop Paradise of people who are willing to pay without knowing the value of items. |
| 01:39.11 | Hunterkll | OSVG, i'm selling to collectors in the market |
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| 01:39.19 | Hunterkll | people in narrow scopes of interest and field |
| 01:39.23 | Hunterkll | who post guides on doing the reparis themselves |
| 01:39.28 | Hunterkll | according to historical repair manuals |
| 01:39.31 | OSVG | And I'm telling you that if I tried that shit, with people who are actually collectors, they would see it, and refuse to buy it. |
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| 01:39.40 | Hunterkll | who the HELL is going to be qualified to repair a 1989 NeXT system? |
| 01:39.49 | OSVG | You'd be quite amazed. |
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| 01:40.01 | Hunterkll | I mean, still, these are elementary level repairs |
| 01:40.05 | Hunterkll | I teach this kind of stuff in my basic electronics classes |
| 01:40.13 | Hunterkll | on weekends, for free, at nonprofits, in like 2-3 sessions |
| 01:40.15 | OSVG | And so is refinishing a four hundred year old chair's scuff mark. |
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| 01:40.30 | OSVG | It still devalues the chair if done by an amateur because there is no guarantee of quality. |
| 01:40.34 | Hunterkll | hell, in the NeXT world, it's perfectly fine to repaint the systems |
| 01:40.43 | wejrwejrwjer | NeXT is wierd. |
| 01:40.44 | wejrwejrwjer | but amazing |
| 01:40.45 | Hunterkll | because we can order the exact original mix from the original paint manufacturer |
| 01:40.48 | ctmjr | !ot |
| 01:40.48 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 01:40.55 | Hunterkll | someone actually chased down the paint mix/manufacutring :P |
| 01:41.10 | bcm4318 | http://packages.trisquel.info/es/taranis/openfwwf where is the free as in freedom equivalent for Debian Wheezy? |
| 01:41.12 | wejrwejrwjer | lets go to #defocus |
| 01:41.34 | bcm4318 | Debian users deserve freedom too! |
| 01:41.44 | wejrwejrwjer | sorry |
| 01:41.45 | wejrwejrwjer | ##defocus |
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| 01:41.49 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: shh |
| 01:41.50 | wejrwejrwjer | go away |
| 01:42.07 | wejrwejrwjer | you clearly hate systemd. |
| 01:42.22 | Hunterkll | OSVG, in the classic computing scene, though, these repairs are normal and expected for the most part. just sayin' |
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| 01:42.43 | wejrwejrwjer | Hunterkll: ##defocus |
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| 01:45.34 | Hunterkll | (mainly because functional boxes are valued above all, people want them to run and display. repair by replacing degrading ROMs is also encouraged to keep the equipment functional, even if it's not an equal part swap) |
| 01:46.40 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, i do not understand what you are trying to tell me |
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| 01:47.16 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: shh |
| 01:47.16 | wejrwejrwjer | shh. |
| 01:47.17 | wejrwejrwjer | shhh.. |
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| 01:47.28 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, i still do not understand what you are trying to tell me |
| 01:47.52 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: shut up about freedom |
| 01:47.54 | wejrwejrwjer | Debian is full of it. |
| 01:48.14 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, oh! |
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| 01:49.29 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, i understand that you do not care about freedom but i think that you speak for yourself and not for the vast majority here |
| 01:49.57 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: you realize we all care for freedom and have freedom |
| 01:50.09 | wejrwejrwjer | if you don't like Debian's stance on freedom you don't have to use it. |
| 01:50.18 | wejrwejrwjer | we can't support 100% opensource everything like trisquel |
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| 01:56.35 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, i know that not all debian users care about freedom, especially those who are fond of using the term open source instead of free software. I know there are non free debian repos but debian users should also (an foremost) should be provided with free solutions like OpenFWWF |
| 01:56.56 | wejrwejrwjer | ok Richard Stallman |
| 01:57.05 | bitonic | hi, I'm running GNOME3 and I was wondering is it possible to have the following behaviour: when an external display is plugged, I just get what I had on the built-in laptop on the external display, and the laptop screen gets turned off. when I unplug, stuff goes back to the laptop display |
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| 01:57.27 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, i am not Richard Stallman |
| 01:57.31 | wejrwejrwjer | bitonic: I know it is, but I can't remember how. |
| 01:57.35 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: you sound like him. |
| 01:57.47 | bitonic | wejrwejrwjer: that's encouraging. do you know where to look? |
| 01:57.49 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, Richard Stallman is not a debian user |
| 01:58.35 | wejrwejrwjer | bitonic: I believe under display settings |
| 01:58.37 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: so? |
| 01:58.40 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: isn't he Gentoo? |
| 01:58.45 | wejrwejrwjer | or Slack |
| 01:58.53 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, none of them |
| 01:59.00 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: what does he use |
| 01:59.13 | bcm4318 | Trisquel GNU/Linux |
| 01:59.36 | bcm4318 | i am not a Trsiquel user, i am a debian user. I am not a Saint! |
| 02:00.04 | wejrwejrwjer | s/Saint/Moron |
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| 02:00.56 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, at least i agree with you on that i am not a Saint/Moron |
| 02:01.07 | wejrwejrwjer | ok |
| 02:01.08 | wejrwejrwjer | :) |
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| 02:01.52 | wejrwejrwjer | I personally think that he is a bit... over the top... |
| 02:01.54 | wejrwejrwjer | he does have good points |
| 02:02.01 | wejrwejrwjer | but he doesn't always show them in the best way. |
| 02:02.12 | wejrwejrwjer | I'm pretty sure he's crazy |
| 02:02.51 | bcm4318 | I would not call someone who suffers from Aspergers a moron. that is denigrating. |
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| 02:03.41 | bcm4318 | I would not call someone with some form of autism a retard. that is denigrating |
| 02:05.00 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: he has autism? |
| 02:05.02 | wejrwejrwjer | O_o |
| 02:05.03 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, He is not crazy. He is an Aspergers sufferer |
| 02:05.07 | wejrwejrwjer | ah |
| 02:05.17 | wejrwejrwjer | 2 of my friends have it |
| 02:05.26 | wejrwejrwjer | one was just diagnosed + depression |
| 02:05.29 | wejrwejrwjer | the other was diagnosed years ag |
| 02:05.31 | wejrwejrwjer | o |
| 02:05.39 | wejrwejrwjer | i wish he'd keep his shirt on around me |
| 02:06.03 | wejrwejrwjer | he took it off once because he was overheating and he knows im gay and he's straight |
| 02:06.05 | wejrwejrwjer | >_> |
| 02:06.21 | wejrwejrwjer | meh |
| 02:06.26 | bcm4318 | wejrwejrwjer, its is extremelly difficult to deal with someone with Aspergers. Not because they are crazy or morons but because of the very nature of the affliction |
| 02:06.38 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: since when is it hard |
| 02:06.38 | wejrwejrwjer | ? |
| 02:06.53 | wejrwejrwjer | I was friends with a guy over th einternet (we videocalled often) that had it severelyish |
| 02:07.02 | wejrwejrwjer | he was a great guy as long as you didn't over stimulate him |
| 02:07.09 | wejrwejrwjer | Aka group calls with 20 people = no no |
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| 02:07.15 | wejrwejrwjer | group call with 3 = yes |
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| 02:08.32 | wejrwejrwjer | bcm4318: join us in ##defocus |
| 02:08.32 | wejrwejrwjer | cuz !ot |
| 02:08.34 | wejrwejrwjer | !ot |
| 02:08.35 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:08.51 | wejrwejrwjer | That is what we should be following if we're going to have a discussion in #debian |
| 02:08.53 | wejrwejrwjer | so lets go into ##defocus |
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| 02:14.44 | bcm4318 | is it off topic to ask about an alternative free as in freedom method of doing something in Debian? |
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| 02:27.58 | CyberAce | Hello guys, happy new years! |
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| 02:29.01 | aphorise | http://pastebin.com/nKYY4grN <-- is there anything wrong with that sources.list ? |
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| 02:29.28 | aphorise | I keep getting: W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
| 02:29.31 | phix | so, Jessie, when's that happening? |
| 02:30.52 | zbychuk | I think it will be when they do it, then we will get it :-) |
| 02:31.57 | phix | cool |
| 02:32.20 | zbychuk | i think that too :-D |
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| 02:32.58 | phix | Until then I will sit back and eat some cake |
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| 02:33.33 | phix | so how many toy story characters are there left? |
| 02:34.17 | phix | I guess it doesn't matter considering the current rate of releases :) |
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| 02:35.50 | zbychuk | No, I think it does not. ;-) |
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| 02:54.32 | FreezingCold | How can I force Debian to stop trying to update with that server? |
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| 02:55.12 | FreezingCold | appears that it's trying to connect over IPv6....? |
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| 03:02.43 | wejrwejrwjer | herp |
| 03:02.44 | wejrwejrwjer | debian |
| 03:02.46 | wejrwejrwjer | derp |
| 03:03.07 | wejrwejrwjer | herp derp |
| 03:03.09 | wejrwejrwjer | dpkg |
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| 03:06.03 | bcm4318 | I left my laptop running on battery for a long while and after i returned it was off. What is the command that will let me know how long my laptop was up before it switched itself off? |
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| 03:06.58 | bcm4318 | for the record: /var/log/messages messages does not tell me the actual time my laptop shut itself when it ran out of battery power |
| 03:07.19 | bcm4318 | kern.log does not tell me the actual time my laptop shut itself off when it ran out of battery power |
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| 18:27.44 | abrotman | bsdbeard: seems a frontend to me |
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| 18:28.22 | bsdbeard | abrotman, strange that it starts to run whenever I run apt-get, I wouldn't expect that from a front end |
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| 18:30.50 | abrotman | bsdbeard: you'd probably have to dig into the man pages |
| 18:31.24 | wald0 | which is a suggested debian live based on SID available ? (i want to test some updated software) |
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| 18:33.50 | teraflops | wald0: https://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 18:34.01 | teraflops | wald0: the wiki is your friend ;) |
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| 18:38.54 | wald0 | thx |
| 18:39.45 | wald0 | heh, aptosid "based on sid" (with 2 years old last iso) |
| 18:40.16 | teraflops | wald0: I prefer to setup a vm ... |
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| 18:40.58 | wald0 | teraflops: that is what is was going to do but right now no time :), friday going to close office... |
| 18:41.11 | wald0 | but yeah i should have vm with a testing and another with a sid, sounds |
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| 18:43.32 | Malinux | I am installing the fglrx-driver and gets this output in the make.log:http://paste.ubuntu.com/9660777/ |
| 18:44.03 | teraflops | wald0: oh i didnt read the relases of the isos |
| 18:44.08 | innerand | I'm here on arm/kirkwood (qnap ts119) and have changed the location of the root filesystem (btrfs / -> /@). Does somebody know the equivalent to update-grub (I think the bootloader is u-boot)? |
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| 18:51.16 | blackyboy | btrfs now in production environment ? Can i use in production ? |
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| 18:51.39 | anonnumberanon | Hello I have a dual boot Windows/Debian7 that I'd like to migrate to a larger hard drive. Is this doable? I don't have LVM on the Debian install. |
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| 18:56.04 | teraflops | anonnumberanon: you can resize partitions without lvm |
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| 18:58.44 | wald0 | teraflops: i heard that this is what lvm is good for, but in fact i never found any usability on lvm, what is useful for? |
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| 19:00.21 | teraflops | wald0: LVM is useful when you run out of disk either on vm or phisical machines |
| 19:00.24 | anonnumberanon | teraflops, what do I need to be careful with when I will do this, aside from making a full backup of the entire drive with dd? |
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| 19:01.57 | wald0 | I had "powernowd" in the past, is this package replaced by another one? |
| 19:02.03 | teraflops | anonnumberanon: the backup is a must, apart from that id resize the M$ partition from the M$ OS itself |
| 19:02.11 | hotwings | using debian testing here. anyone know what the deal is with all the device-mapper spam when running update-grub in this: http://pastebin.com/6RiGXaS5 |
| 19:02.18 | teraflops | wald0: i think so |
| 19:02.48 | wald0 | teraflops: and what is this useful for, since filesystems don't resize dyanmically on the fly? (and in such case, would be the same) |
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| 19:03.15 | wald0 | i mean, without lvm you can resize filesystems if you run out of space, same without lvm |
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| 19:05.06 | teraflops | wald0: i.e you buy a 3TB disk and then add to the lvm storage pool/volume group |
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| 19:06.39 | wald0 | mmh, well, this has some sense for sure |
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| 19:06.48 | wald0 | sounds like only google uses lvm |
| 19:06.58 | teraflops | wald0: heh |
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| 19:07.00 | wald0 | for their "thousands of gb for free" accounts lol |
| 19:07.04 | teraflops | not only google |
| 19:07.26 | attah | n00b here.. how do i switch back to an older kernel? all the options are in a submenu so changing default entry seems not to be an option |
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| 19:07.53 | attah | (grub options that is) |
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| 19:15.35 | MaxLanar | Hello, i'm on a debian testing. My laptop suspend to ram when i close the lid. Do you know wich place/program/file i need to tweak in order to modify this behavior ? |
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| 19:16.21 | bsdbeard | abrotman, had a wild guess that if packagekit runs when I run apt, it must use dbus, found it in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.PackageKit.service and disabled it, everything seems to work fine |
| 19:16.31 | abrotman | Ah okay |
| 19:16.43 | abrotman | MaxLanar: /etc/acpi/ maybe? |
| 19:17.50 | teraflops | hmm on testing I think it uses systemd |
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| 19:18.25 | MaxLanar | abrotman: It seems it was the case on stable but not on testing anymore |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | MaxLanar: sorry, I only have access to Stable boxes at the moment .. Might also depend on your DE |
| 19:19.52 | teraflops | MaxLanar: are you using pm-tools or the systemd out of the box stuff? |
| 19:20.11 | xurious | Anyone have any experience installing debian on a mac g5 (ppc)? |
| 19:20.46 | teraflops | xurious: i did on a g5 some time ago |
| 19:21.02 | thapin | xurious: yeah, it's a pain in the ass. |
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| 19:21.17 | teraflops | xurious: ati video drivers? |
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| 19:21.59 | MaxLanar | teraflops: i didn't install anything specifc. I suppose i use the systemd out of the box stuff... |
| 19:22.49 | thapin | xurious: took me the better part of a day |
| 19:23.00 | teraflops | MaxLanar: then look for something like suspend@.service resume@service |
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| 19:27.39 | pappanz | did anyone have the opportunity to try NILFS? |
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| 19:32.06 | xurious | thapin: teraflops: I tried it a few days ago, after install I never could get it to boot. There wasn't so much of an error as the system would just hang. |
| 19:32.24 | xurious | I'll need to try it again and come in here with specifics. |
| 19:33.04 | xurious | I couldn't find an g5 xserve install disk, and it being an xserve, can't use a regular disk (damn apple.) |
| 19:33.21 | teraflops | xurious: uhm, may be it is not deboan related, that old stuff fails a lot for example because the mobo battery |
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| 19:33.27 | xurious | ./s/regular/desktop g5 |
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| 19:34.01 | xurious | Ah, thanks for the tip. It was pulled from production without drives. |
| 19:34.03 | teraflops | xurious: you can boot to firmware then tell the system to use an external disk |
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| 19:34.40 | xurious | See, I was going to do that and boot from USB. However I heard it's even more of a pain. |
| 19:34.49 | teraflops | xurious: yeah |
| 19:34.58 | xurious | At this point I don't care what OS. |
| 19:35.03 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:35.15 | teraflops | xurious: i installed debian, also freebsd |
| 19:35.37 | teraflops | xurious: freebsd seems to me a valid option too |
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| 19:35.44 | xurious | I might give that a whirl. |
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| 19:36.29 | jhutchins | !ppc |
| 19:36.29 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:37.49 | xurious | Ah. Perfect. I wonder what "old world powermacs" are. I was able to boot to the debianpcc installer of optical just fine. |
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| 19:40.55 | jhutchins | xurious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_World_ROM |
| 19:41.08 | teraflops | xurious: i have this one: http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g5.jpg ... a nice paperweights :P |
| 19:41.54 | MaxLanar | teraflops: i'm not used to systemd (and looking at the manpage didn't helped me so much), can you give more details about where or what to look, or a link to some doc ? |
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| 19:42.40 | xurious | teraflops: it's a very aesthic paper weight. I've got a mac pro that no one wants. |
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| 19:45.49 | hfp | Hey all, I messed up the permissions in /etc... Is there a way to restore them to what they were? |
| 19:47.35 | jhutchins | hfp: Restore your backup or reinstall. |
| 19:47.36 | teraflops | MaxLanar: hard to fins any systemd debian related info almost for me |
| 19:47.43 | teraflops | find* |
| 19:47.58 | hfp | jhutchins: Alright, thanks |
| 19:48.13 | jhutchins | teraflops: systemd is not Debian specific. A lot of the docs will be from RedHat, they're the ones developing it. |
| 19:48.28 | teraflops | jhutchins: indeed |
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| 19:49.34 | teraflops | jhutchins: im on archlinux so I use systemd since time ago anyway i meant pointing MaxLanar to some usefull stuff not my archlinux systemd units |
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| 19:51.37 | debbie_ | hi |
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| 19:52.05 | teraflops | MaxLanar: may be it helps you https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_and_hibernate .I do not know if this info is aplicable to your system since I only use debian stable |
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| 19:53.38 | debbie_ | SSD problem : 'cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb' fails with '# Unlocking memory. \n Command failed with code 22: Invalid argument' |
| 19:53.49 | debbie_ | any help, clues? |
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| 19:53.57 | debbie_ | tips |
| 19:54.02 | teraflops | MaxLanar: or give a try to #systemd |
| 19:54.29 | debbie_ | debian Installer also fails to install to this SSD |
| 19:54.53 | babilen | debbie_: Which installer is that? |
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| 19:56.48 | debbie_ | babilen: i'm not sure, it comes with ParrotOS. But the problem is apparently with this cryptsetup unable to deal with SSD...yet I can't find anything on the web about it |
| 19:57.39 | debbie_ | babilen: I'm trying to install manually and have stumbled into this cryptsetup problem |
| 19:57.39 | babilen | debbie_: You might want to ask in a ParrotOS channel as this one only supports Debian. |
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| 19:58.20 | debbie_ | babilen: yes, i'm working with them and they advice to manually install , which I'm doing and cryptsetup fails |
| 19:58.59 | debbie_ | ok |
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| 19:59.16 | babilen | debbie_: Can you reproduce that error with a Debian installer? (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ ) -- Because if not this isn't the right channel. |
| 19:59.23 | debbie_ | works now...may be the computer was cold..I have issues sometimes coming from cold weather |
| 19:59.37 | debbie_ | babilen: thanx..it works now :) |
| 19:59.57 | OSVG | debbie: Let your machine come inside during the winter? |
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| 20:01.07 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:01.23 | debbie_ | OSVG: yes |
| 20:01.42 | debbie_ | laptop in abackpack gets cold |
| 20:02.12 | xurious | Certainly worth warming up before use. |
| 20:02.29 | debbie_ | i've had issues with an install on a USB that failed to boot immediately after coming from the cold outside...then after a while it booted |
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| 20:03.33 | DomaMuffin | debbie_: if you're using cryptsetup 1.6.6 it's known to be buggy and rollback to 1.6.4 or older seems to fix that problem on some distributions. |
| 20:03.33 | OSVG | debbie: Huh, that's suggestive that you have a loose connection somewhere inside that is loosening further under the cold. |
| 20:04.25 | debbie_ | crap...now it asked for password and then exited with error: 'code 5: Cannot wipe header on device /dev/sdb2' |
| 20:04.33 | debbie_ | DomaMuffin: this is 1.6.1 |
| 20:04.54 | debbie_ | OSVG: may be |
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| 20:05.03 | debbie_ | it's not a used laptop |
| 20:05.28 | debbie_ | it's a used laptop :) |
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| 20:11.51 | cat_pants | Hi folks. Getting warnings from xscreensaver about being outdated (5.26) but this is the newest version of the package in the repos. |
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| 20:15.22 | mtn | cat_pants: which version of debian? |
| 20:15.34 | debbie_ | parted says 'Invalid partition table on /dev/sdb -- wrong partition signature 0.' |
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| 20:22.43 | cat_pants | jessie |
| 20:24.34 | mtn | ,v xscreensaver |
| 20:24.35 | judd | Package: xscreensaver on i386 -- squeeze: 5.11-1+b1; wheezy: 5.15-3; jessie: 5.30-1+b1; sid: 5.30-1+b1 |
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| 20:24.47 | mtn | cat_pants: jessie has 5.30, as you can see |
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| 20:27.51 | cat_pants | "apt-get install xscreensaver" upgrades a package if it's already installed, correct? |
| 20:28.28 | mtn | cat_pants: if you ran apt-get update first, yes, but why not run dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:30.09 | mtn | cat_pants: I never update one package by itself. why would you? |
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| 20:31.13 | Kobra_ | mtn: because maybe up to date packages could potentially be unstable, or maybe you don't want to download 1GB of data to update something you need now? |
| 20:31.58 | mtn | Kobra_: good way to break things, but if that is your choice. |
| 20:32.04 | Kobra_ | how so? |
| 20:32.36 | Kobra_ | sid repos are often unstable, and things break, so if you want a newer version of a package (that and any of it's deps.), then it's perfectly fine to do |
| 20:33.07 | Kobra_ | sometimes you don't have the time to fix things if upstream broke stuff, so you want as little risk as possible |
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| 20:33.39 | mtn | Kobra_: probably shouldn't be using sid or testing in that case |
| 20:34.32 | Kobra_ | oh, that reminds me, someone should add to apt 1.2: Breaks: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (<= 1.4~bpo60+1) |
| 20:34.54 | Kobra_ | oops |
| 20:34.58 | Kobra_ | (<= 1.8.1) |
| 20:35.56 | Kobra_ | should i report in OFTC/#debian-next? |
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| 20:38.59 | jhutchins | Kobra_: When I want to work on testing, I'll install it dual-boot with stable. That way if I need to computer as a working tool, I have a relaible install. If I want to play with testing, I can boot to that, and I can boot stable and chroot to update testing when it's broken. |
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| 20:44.14 | mirak | hello |
| 20:45.12 | cat_pants | I tend to try and only upgrade one package at a time if I don't want to take the chance of my system breaking |
| 20:45.19 | cat_pants | Thanks! |
| 20:45.31 | mirak | is there a tool that can list all folders under a particular size ? |
| 20:46.19 | mirak | cat_pants, you can do lvm snapshot or with bttrfs |
| 20:46.22 | mirak | maybe |
| 20:46.48 | mtn | cat_pants: so you have a non-rolling rolling install? weird! |
| 20:47.00 | jordanm | mirak: you mean the size of the directory itself, our the sum of all files inside of the directory? |
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| 20:47.11 | jhutchins | !rolling release |
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| 20:49.47 | berarma | TIL upgrading one package at a time the system won't break |
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| 20:50.15 | mirak | jordanm, du -s * | sort -g |
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| 20:50.26 | mirak | I kind of got what I want with this |
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| 20:50.55 | cat_pants | Well...I didn't understand what jessie was when I installed it. I honestly need to downgrade back to stable. |
| 20:51.11 | jordanm | mirak: kdirstat is pretty useful |
| 20:51.44 | cat_pants | I was told by a coworker at a previous job that I should be using jessie for whatever reason and I figured I would give it a try. |
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| 20:52.28 | mirak | jordanm, in fact it seems nautilus sorts the folder right by size. I didn't though about it. |
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| 20:52.36 | mirak | jordanm, I use baobab otherwise |
| 20:52.51 | mirak | jordanm, I think it's similar to kdirstat |
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| 20:53.44 | mirak | jordanm, no I was wrong, nautilus doesn't sort by size |
| 20:53.59 | mtn | cat_pants: doing dist-upgrade at this point is very unlikely to break anything, since jessie is in freeze |
| 20:54.11 | jordanm | mirak: yeah, looks like the gnome equiv of kdirstat |
| 20:54.26 | cat_pants | Thanks! |
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| 20:58.54 | jhutchins | !rolling |
| 20:58.54 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
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| 21:04.36 | cat_pants | I really should just stick with stable I think |
| 21:05.40 | qman__ | it's called "testing" for a reason |
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| 21:07.28 | qman__ | There are certainly valid reasons to use it, but if you don't have one, you should stick to stable |
| 21:08.18 | Kobra_ | >Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 21:08.26 | Kobra_ | it moved from OFTC? |
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| 21:09.28 | Kobra_ | ah, mirrored |
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| 21:10.12 | jhutchins | Kobra_: Actually, same network, two names. |
| 21:10.22 | Kobra_ | oh |
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| 21:16.28 | someHuman | What is the best way to burn a live Debian on a stick? |
| 21:17.14 | someHuman | I've had no luck with unetbootin and dd with a complete installation image (amd64). |
| 21:17.33 | someHuman | I'm trying my luck with netinst this time, which I've heard is the surest way of installation. |
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| 21:18.13 | OSVG | rufus perhaps, or use another linux client to dd the iso to the USB stick, but please be careful doing that. |
| 21:18.27 | critr | cp works great |
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| 21:20.12 | OSVG | can cp copy bit-by-bit? |
| 21:20.39 | twostone | dd does that, why would cp need to copy bit-by-bit? |
| 21:21.04 | OSVG | because he wants a bootable image? |
| 21:21.44 | jhutchins | OSVG: As long as the target is the _device_, not a mounted filesyste, any of the copy tools will work. |
| 21:22.06 | OSVG | mmk. TIL. |
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| 21:22.31 | jhutchins | OSVG: Used to be they only talked about dd or cat, but anything will work. |
| 21:22.50 | jhutchins | dd should be faster. |
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| 21:28.55 | fgaz | hey there. I'm getting randomly some kernels panick "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt". Where should I begin to dig ? |
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| 21:35.48 | jhutchins | fgaz: Which release, which kernel, what hardware, and what program is triggering the panic? |
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| 21:37.27 | fgaz | jhutchins, can't we just identidy if it's RAM, HDD, or kernel version related ? :s |
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| 21:38.55 | jhutchins | fgaz: That's a start. |
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| 21:42.51 | _4dnan_ | Hi! I put my computer to suspend mode. Then I wake it up. After 5 seconds of wake up, it re-suspends automatically. Then I wake it up again and it works normally. Any idea why this is happening ? |
| 21:42.57 | _4dnan_ | I'm not sure what information I should provide. |
| 21:43.13 | _4dnan_ | It's been happening since installation. |
| 21:44.13 | jhutchins | _4dnan_: Suspend is like that. Different manufacturers implement it differently, and sometimes badly. |
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| 21:45.13 | _4dnan_ | Oh, although it worked just fine on previous installations as I remember. No hope ? |
| 21:45.54 | jhutchins | _4dnan_: Possibly the backport kernel? |
| 21:46.47 | _4dnan_ | I will look that up. |
| 21:46.54 | jhutchins | !bdo |
| 21:46.54 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 21:47.53 | _4dnan_ | Thanks ! I'm running Debian Sid though, does it change anything ? |
| 21:48.32 | _4dnan_ | Yeah I guess it does. |
| 21:49.14 | bsdbeard | hey |
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| 21:49.32 | critr | _4dnan_: do you maybe have more than one -power-manager or -screensaver running, maybe from multiple desktop installs? |
| 21:49.33 | bsdbeard | how do you disable the bluetooth device? hciconfig doesn't seem to do anything useful |
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| 21:51.52 | _4dnan_ | critr: I have laptop-mode tools. Although it is only enabled when on battery, which is rarely the case. |
| 21:52.03 | _4dnan_ | This is the sleep button script: http://pastebin.com/P4ppvYbx |
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| 21:55.35 | _4dnan_ | (I just noticed I should be on #debian-next by the way, sorry) |
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| 21:56.23 | Hanumaan | I have grub2 installed in debian 7 but my remote computer is right now in debian6(first priority) .. I want it to boot in debian 7.. how to do that? |
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| 21:57.38 | twostone | suspend in sid is slightly bent, even my machine sometimes does not wake. Works fine in wheezy, not a problem, but started having problems in sid about half a year ago. Just wait and the problem will fix it self. Sid is like that, sometimes. |
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| 21:58.31 | _4dnan_ | Hmm alright then, I should know that I'm running Sid. Thanks for the clarification. |
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| 21:59.36 | twostone | Sid is sid. It works, or it doesn't. For an unstable distro, it is pretty stable, but does have hiccups now and then. 'Tis usually no biggie, so one can live with it. |
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| 22:04.45 | bsdbeard | sudo rfkill block bluetooth seems to do the trick |
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| 22:10.54 | jhutchins | bsdbeard: It's been a minor annoyance that bluetooth comes back on when I resume from suspend - you just fixed that, thanks. |
| 22:12.10 | jhutchins | _aeris_: Um, yeah, backports are older than Sid. |
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| 22:19.18 | doebi | how can i test a usb drive's memory? is there a tool similar to memtest86? |
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| 22:23.39 | twostone | @doebi: f3 could probably do it. |
| 22:24.50 | twostone | http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ |
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| 22:27.15 | doebi | is looking |
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| 22:38.44 | doebi | twostone: hmm can't test it right now, since it turned out the stick is more broke than i thought.^^ |
| 22:38.54 | doebi | but thanks, looks like the tool i was looking for |
| 22:39.40 | twostone | there really are not that many progs around to check wear levelling (or wear in general) for USB drives, but if it does the trick for you... |
| 22:39.49 | jhutchins | doebi: Testing it with something like memtest is actually destructive. They usually don't support smartmontools, so fsck is about as good as you get. |
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| 22:40.40 | twostone | Damn things are so cheap, if it's broke, you just buy a new one. Wouldn't use it as backup, anyways, and always backup the data that's on there. |
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| 22:41.13 | doebi | jhutchins: well i don't know much about such memory stuff. but during setup of debian server on said stick i was always experiencing weird errors and bugs. so i wanted to make sure it was the stick and nothing else. |
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| 22:41.41 | doebi | twostone: already dumped it^^. as i said. just wanted to make sure. |
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| 22:42.06 | jhutchins | doebi: Did you use something like pendrivelinux to get a squashfs on it, or just install it like it was a regular drive? |
| 22:42.43 | doebi | it was plugged into a microserver to be used as rootfs |
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| 22:45.11 | twostone | @doebi: In that case, you might want to look at flashybrid, to keep writes to a minimum. |
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| 22:47.26 | xreal | Interesting. I've downloaded mini.iso (beta2) from Jessie and selected the official Debian-Repository. Now, the installer tells me: there are no kernel-moduls available :( |
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| 22:52.51 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 22:52.58 | someHuman | How do I add my current user to sudoers? |
| 22:53.08 | twostone | via visudo. |
| 22:53.22 | doebi | someHuman: as root do: "rm -rf /" |
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| 22:53.34 | someHuman | doebi: Freaking kidding me man?! |
| 22:53.35 | twostone | or do you just want to add your user to the group "sudoers"? |
| 22:53.42 | dvs | !ops doebi giving destructive advice |
| 22:53.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains about: doebi giving destructive advice |
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| 22:54.05 | babilen | ta! |
| 22:54.11 | dvs | whoa! |
| 22:54.11 | someHuman | Man fucking assholes! |
| 22:54.18 | dvs | lightning quick! |
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| 22:54.27 | someHuman | twostone: Just my current user. |
| 22:54.43 | dvs | someHuman: add your user to the sudo group |
| 22:55.00 | someHuman | visudo <user> sudo ? |
| 22:55.07 | twostone | man usermod |
| 22:55.11 | someHuman | visudo <user> ? |
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| 22:55.29 | mtn | !sudo |
| 22:55.29 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 22:55.40 | tremon | adduser $user sudo |
| 22:55.50 | dvs | someHuman: adduser <user> sudo |
| 22:56.33 | someHuman | Done. |
| 22:56.34 | someHuman | Then do I log out? |
| 22:56.37 | someHuman | Thanks guys! |
| 22:56.42 | twostone | usermod -aG sudoers ${whoami} |
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| 22:57.31 | someHuman | twostone: What does that do? |
| 22:57.39 | dvs | someHuman: the same thing |
| 22:57.52 | dvs | and it's the wrong group |
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| 22:58.21 | someHuman | dvs: lol |
| 22:58.28 | someHuman | dvs: Should be sudo right? Not sudoers. |
| 22:58.29 | twostone | 'tis what he said. He wanted to add his username to the 'sudoers' group. |
| 22:58.35 | berndj | why does apt-get sometimes want to remove a bunch of random packages that don't have anything obvious to do with what i want to install? right now i want to grab some build-deps for openscad and it's wanting to remove abiword among others! |
| 22:58.41 | dvs | someHuman: right |
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| 22:59.03 | dvs | twostone: But there's no such thing as the sudoers group |
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| 23:00.12 | someHuman | dvs: Trying to mount an external drive but I get this:https://mediacru.sh/zAZNsh_ltqgf |
| 23:00.16 | tremon | !tell berndj -about bat |
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| 23:01.19 | tremon | berndj: usually it is because of conflicts, which can happen easily when mixing releases or using low-quality 3rd party repo's |
| 23:01.29 | dvs | someHuman: I've never had luck mounting an NTFS drive |
| 23:02.03 | twostone | @dvs: there can be any group with whatever name you want on any system, and it could also be used to sudo. |
| 23:02.04 | berndj | tremon, i'd kinda like to know how to fish, not just to have a fish. i figured maybe something with conflicts, but abiword??! |
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| 23:02.26 | bsdbeard | someHuman, mount it as root |
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| 23:02.52 | dvs | twostone: but he wanted to add the user to use with sudo, and sudoers is not the proper group |
| 23:03.05 | tremon | berndj: if you share with us the information the bot asked for, maybe we can give you some advanced fishing techniques :) |
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| 23:03.46 | twostone | @dvs: it could be, I remember distros, that actually used sudoers as a group name, others used wheel, some just a single user... |
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| 23:04.03 | dvs | twostone: well, it not right for Debian |
| 23:04.19 | twostone | should be wheel for debian. |
| 23:04.36 | berndj | tremon, http://paste.debian.net/138995/ |
| 23:04.42 | twostone | nope, it's sudo. Just checked. |
| 23:04.44 | someHuman | I basically want to use sudo often instead of su - or root. |
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| 23:05.02 | someHuman | I'm convinced that it's safer to use sudo often. |
| 23:05.08 | dvs | it is |
| 23:05.08 | bsdbeard | someHuman, what's stopping you? |
| 23:05.13 | dvs | nothing now |
| 23:05.18 | someHuman | bsdbeard: Nothing. |
| 23:05.37 | bsdbeard | ;/ |
| 23:05.40 | someHuman | bsdbeard: I've done it already actually, just saying why I wanted to add my user. |
| 23:05.45 | bsdbeard | oh |
| 23:05.45 | twostone | that case, you might want to add 'Defaults timestamp_timeout=10,passwd_timeout=30' to your sudo config. |
| 23:06.19 | someHuman | twostone: What's that for? |
| 23:06.35 | twostone | that way, you've got a slightly extended grace period before you'd have to enter your password again. |
| 23:06.36 | someHuman | bsdbeard: How do I mount the device as root? |
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| 23:06.50 | bsdbeard | sudo mount ... |
| 23:07.02 | twostone | 'man mount' |
| 23:07.23 | dvs | votes for bsdbeard |
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| 23:07.39 | bsdbeard | berndj, 1936 not upgraded, that must be a record |
| 23:08.43 | twostone | blimey, midnight already. |
| 23:08.55 | berndj | bsdbeard, lol, probably from s/wheezy/testing/ and then not going all the way |
| 23:08.56 | bsdbeard | berndj, judging by the packages to be removed (eog, gnome, gdm) you've removed some important gnome package and now everything is borked |
| 23:09.18 | bsdbeard | or you're installing a package from unstable that needs unstable gnome, while you're on stable |
| 23:09.50 | berndj | that is quite possible (testing vs wheezy( |
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| 23:10.32 | bsdbeard | there's some kind of judd command that checks if what you're doing is possible to do safely, but I forgot |
| 23:10.53 | tremon | bsdbeard: thinking of check-backport? |
| 23:10.56 | bsdbeard | yeah |
| 23:11.13 | bsdbeard | ,checkbackport openscad |
| 23:11.15 | bsdbeard | uhh |
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| 23:11.30 | tremon | berndj: with so many packages out of date, probably anything you want to install has a dependency on something you do not yet have |
| 23:11.35 | judd | Backporting package openscad in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: openscad-mcad. |
| 23:12.01 | bsdbeard | berndj, unsatisfiable build dependencies you heard it from judd himself |
| 23:12.19 | dvs | what does he know? ;-P |
| 23:12.34 | bsdbeard | judd, what do you know? |
| 23:12.35 | tremon | berndj: first order is to run apt-get install -f, aka --fix-broken. This is to make sure you're starting from a working base |
| 23:12.45 | bsdbeard | dvs, he's a bit shy today |
| 23:12.56 | dvs | hangover |
| 23:13.13 | bsdbeard | partying with the gentoo penguins all new years eve |
| 23:14.32 | tremon | berndj: after that, it's probably wise to perform a full dist-upgrade so that your install matches at least some of debian's repositories :) |
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| 23:15.03 | berndj | yeah it's a bit of a chimera right now. at least i don't have PPAs these days (phew) |
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| 23:15.28 | bsdbeard | dist-upgrade is scarier than rm /* -rf |
| 23:15.35 | bsdbeard | :( |
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| 23:15.45 | tremon | bsdbeard: it is when going to jessie |
| 23:15.51 | dvs | depends what you changed the repo to |
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| 23:16.13 | bsdbeard | you should just make jessie stable already, it's 2015! |
| 23:16.27 | berndj | previously i've just muddled around manually apt-get installing packages one by one until magically apt no longer wants to remove half my system |
| 23:16.53 | dvs | 152 bugs left |
| 23:16.54 | berndj | i wonder how far i'll get this time (dist-upgrade seems like more work than i want to start doing right now) |
| 23:17.11 | twostone | would be easier to just stick to the stock repos, usually breaks less that way. |
| 23:17.15 | tremon | berndj: but dpkg also asked for (multiple) output(s) of apt-cache policy, without which we can't give any direct advice |
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| 23:17.46 | bsdbeard | dvs, by the time they fix half of them they'll find 152 more :( |
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| 23:18.04 | tremon | only when people actually upgrade their systems :) |
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| 23:20.14 | berndj | tremon, oh right, here it is http://paste.debian.net/138998/ |
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| 23:21.07 | dob1 | hi, it is safe to interrupt a "badblocks -v /dev/xxx/" ? it's a "Checking for bad blocks (read-only test)" test |
| 23:21.16 | twostone | testing and wheezy? geez, you're asking for it. |
| 23:21.26 | tremon | berndj: at least that one looks almost sane. But you will want to change testing into jessie before it is released, otherwise you will be tracking jessie+1 |
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| 23:22.55 | tremon | dob1: yes, it is safe to interrupt any badblocks test except a non-desctructive read/write |
| 23:23.32 | dob1 | tremon, -n you mean? |
| 23:23.57 | Velus | hello all im looking at a install system on a debian system its mainly for debian 5 lenny but i have debian 7 wheezy, now its asking for something like debian-volitile is that avilible for wheezy or just lenny? (7 or 5) |
| 23:23.59 | tremon | opens man badblocks |
| 23:24.09 | tremon | dob1: yes, that one |
| 23:24.29 | dob1 | tremon, ok, i interrupt it, it's 4 hours of test... |
| 23:25.31 | tremon | Velus: debian volatile has been renamed. For wheezy it's called wheezy-updates, and it's on the main mirror network, no longer on volatile.debian.net |
| 23:25.47 | xreal | I've downloaded mini.iso (beta2) from Jessie and selected the official Debian-Repository. Now, the installer tells me: there are no kernel-moduls available :( |
| 23:25.54 | Velus | ok so what would i put there now ? |
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| 23:26.11 | Velus | i was told to put this deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
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| 23:26.25 | mtn | !testing installer |
| 23:26.25 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:26.37 | mtn | xreal: ^^ |
| 23:26.41 | juba | As there is no systemd service file for postfix in Jessie, how do you start it ??? |
| 23:26.52 | tremon | juba: service postfix start? |
| 23:26.59 | pkrzywicki | ;p |
| 23:27.03 | tremon | Velus: just remove that line, volatile for lenny is no more |
| 23:27.13 | xreal | mtn: jessie = sid != testing |
| 23:27.26 | xreal | or is it testing? |
| 23:27.27 | tremon | xreal: jessie == testing |
| 23:27.33 | juba | tremon: well, no, as service seems to be an alias to systemctl... |
| 23:27.34 | xreal | tremon: and what's sid then? |
| 23:27.42 | mtn | heh |
| 23:27.43 | tremon | sid is unstable |
| 23:28.11 | berndj | ok looks likelibgl1-mesa-swx11 is closer to the reason for my grey hair today |
| 23:28.13 | xreal | ah! |
| 23:28.30 | tremon | juba: systemd will happily use init scripts if there is no service file. systemctl start postfix.service should work equally fine |
| 23:28.34 | Velus | i have this in lists deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free whoudl it be deb http://security.debian.org/wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:28.37 | Velus | it dont have that line |
| 23:28.46 | Velus | but that line was in the tut |
| 23:28.54 | xreal | mtn: how can I ask dpkg to install testing by stable installer? |
| 23:28.58 | tremon | !wheezy sources.list |
| 23:28.58 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 23:29.34 | mtn | xreal: you do: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 23:29.36 | tremon | Velus: if your system is running debian 5 (aka lenny), it is very unwise to configure wheezy source lines for it |
| 23:29.46 | Velus | its running 7 |
| 23:29.46 | juba | tremon: ok, get it, I didnt' do systemctl daemon-reload after installing postfix... |
| 23:29.51 | mtn | xreal: you may find this easier: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 23:30.18 | juba | tremon: thanks ! |
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| 23:30.34 | xreal | mtn: This wiki says: "Alternatively, you could use the testing image of the debian-installer [...]" :D |
| 23:30.38 | tremon | Velus: ok, then feel free to take the lines from what dpkg said |
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| 23:31.15 | tremon | juba: I'd say that is a bug. You shouldn't have to manually issue a daemon-reload after installing a package |
| 23:31.15 | mtn | xreal: yes, with the understanding it may not work ;) |
| 23:32.00 | xreal | mtn: okay, let me do it the APT-style. Thanks for help. |
| 23:32.04 | juba | tremon: I guess this is not the only systemd-related bug around... |
| 23:32.06 | mtn | xreal: welcome |
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| 23:34.09 | tremon | juba: you're right, but still I'd rather have them reported and fixed before jessie is released |
| 23:34.30 | juba | tremon: of course, I'll try to do a bug report asap/ |
| 23:34.36 | tremon | thanks |
| 23:34.42 | juba | tremon: thanks to you |
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| 23:44.32 | VectorMan2000 | eat t |
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| 23:46.07 | Gollum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.12 | VectorMan2000 | sure |
| 23:46.17 | VectorMan2000 | of windows or linux? |
| 23:46.24 | Gollum_ | Linux, sure |
| 23:46.29 | VectorMan2000 | whts the question? |
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| 23:47.21 | Gollum_ | I was just wondering. I'm new here |
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| 23:50.43 | Gollum_ | I manage a couple of Debian servers here in Brazil and I wanted to find a good channel to exchange administration experiences |
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| 23:52.13 | Gollum_ | You know, advices and security issues. |
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