| 00:00.40 | soulspire | dltl I am googling that so I can follow through, just needed someone with the right info to get me on the correct track :) |
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| 00:07.31 | b0mbastik | tremon, Cpuroast, thanks a lot! :) |
| 00:07.50 | Cpuroast | 3.16 backports would be the best probably |
| 00:07.58 | Cpuroast | until debian 8 |
| 00:08.09 | Cpuroast | unless you want to move to jessie now |
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| 00:09.07 | pfred1 | I'm never moving past Debian 7 |
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| 00:10.48 | Cpuroast | pfred1: never say never :) |
| 00:11.07 | pfred1 | Cpuroast nope this is it |
| 00:11.12 | Cpuroast | pfred1: unless you are one of the people who are thoroughly against systemd |
| 00:11.55 | pfred1 | seven is a lucky number |
| 00:12.06 | Cpuroast | lol |
| 00:12.20 | pfred1 | lucky i don't got to deal with the BS coming in 8 |
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| 00:12.39 | Cpuroast | I mean, depending on the success of Squeeze-LTS |
| 00:12.45 | Cpuroast | Wheezy-LTS will see the light |
| 00:12.47 | tethra | i know pfred1 from other channels, pretty sure he's drunk or trolling |
| 00:12.49 | tethra | just FYI |
| 00:12.55 | Cpuroast | but that won't last forever |
| 00:13.04 | pfred1 | tethra welcome to my ignore list have a nice stay |
| 00:13.18 | tethra | lol |
| 00:13.44 | pfred1 | one thing I forgot to copy from my old install |
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| 00:14.26 | pfred1 | I just installed this system in the 1st |
| 00:15.03 | JyZyXEL | how can load average be high but CPU utilization is low? |
| 00:15.42 | phy1729 | it's averaged over 1 5 and 15 minutes |
| 00:15.44 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: because you don't understand what load average means? |
| 00:15.50 | tethra | JyZyXEL: load average includes things other than CPU |
| 00:16.06 | tethra | get your iowait in top, i'll bet you 5 units of the local currency it's the real problem :) |
| 00:16.14 | tethra | s/get your/check your/ |
| 00:16.20 | JyZyXEL | im doing a badblocks -w on a USB 3.0 drive and load average is around 2.7 |
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| 00:16.28 | pfred1 | I have seen RAM use different between say tload and htop |
| 00:16.52 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: Right, you don't understand how load average is derived |
| 00:16.57 | tethra | ^ |
| 00:17.17 | tethra | hopes the local currency isn't swiss francs |
| 00:17.59 | JyZyXEL | i would like to understand how badly is my CPU loaded by this |
| 00:18.44 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: what's your CPU usage? |
| 00:19.07 | debbio | xvkbd is broke - moving pointer over it creates clicking sounds and just would not stop as if it's being constantly clicked upon and nothing happens\ |
| 00:19.09 | JyZyXEL | well htop says 1.4% for the badblocks -w process |
| 00:19.24 | JyZyXEL | according to htop all the cores are pretty much close to idle |
| 00:19.29 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: how much is free? |
| 00:19.32 | abrotman | or idle |
| 00:19.50 | JyZyXEL | 94% is idle |
| 00:19.58 | abrotman | seems good enough to me |
| 00:20.30 | JyZyXEL | i would've though the CPU under heavy load looking at the load average |
| 00:20.51 | tethra | JyZyXEL: look in top for the number next to where it says "wa" |
| 00:21.09 | tethra | that's iowait - ie, waiting on IO for the usb device |
| 00:21.14 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: 'load' does not represent CPU utilization. |
| 00:21.16 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: again, you don't undesrtand how "load avg" is derived |
| 00:21.21 | abrotman | for the fourth time .. |
| 00:21.24 | JyZyXEL | how is it derived? |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 00:22.52 | petn-randall | checks man page. |
| 00:23.00 | petn-randall | Guess it's not that straight-forward. |
| 00:23.00 | JyZyXEL | man uptime has an explanation |
| 00:23.10 | JyZyXEL | im even more confused after reading it :D |
| 00:24.04 | tethra | just read the bit about iowait - if you're running badblocks, you'll be using lots of io on the device. iowait factors into load and what you've described sounds like that. |
| 00:24.46 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: 'load' is the number of processes waiting to run on the CPU, or that are waiting for the disk. |
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| 00:25.47 | JyZyXEL | i imagine some kind of io metric would go well with this load average reading |
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| 00:26.02 | JyZyXEL | so that you know if the processes are having to wait because of IO or because of high CPU utilization |
| 00:26.22 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: run 'atop', and you'll know. |
| 00:26.28 | setuid | Anyone know where the legacy debian distro isos/DVDs are stored? |
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| 00:26.30 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: you really should read some docs .. |
| 00:26.43 | tethra | iowait is shown in regular top, atop isn't even necessary, heh |
| 00:27.07 | JyZyXEL | mpstat also displays nice readings |
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| 00:27.20 | JyZyXEL | htop |
| 00:27.48 | petn-randall | tethra: You can just ask people if something is 'red', no need to understand the rest ;) |
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| 00:29.34 | tethra | petn-randall: heh |
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| 00:29.54 | JyZyXEL | how can a single badblocks process contribute more than 1.00 to the load average? |
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| 00:31.24 | pfred1 | lousy IO |
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| 00:31.33 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: How is load average calculated? |
| 00:31.58 | petn-randall | holds breath. |
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| 00:32.42 | JyZyXEL | average number of processes using the CPU, waiting to use the CPU or waiting for I/O |
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| 00:33.01 | JyZyXEL | badblocks is only 1 process as far as i know |
| 00:33.11 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: And what would the load average be for waiting for I/O? |
| 00:33.36 | JyZyXEL | if badblocks is waiting for I/O the load average would be +1 |
| 00:33.47 | abrotman | what if other things are waiting for IO also? |
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| 00:34.46 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: Right. Add a little CPU on there for generating randomized blocks to write, and you'll end up having it contribute > 1 to the average load. |
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| 00:35.33 | JyZyXEL | i thought the other I/O wouldn't be bothered by this because they could run in parallel and not be blocked by this |
| 00:35.46 | abrotman | That doesn't mean they're not waiting on other processes |
| 00:36.31 | JyZyXEL | but if i kill the badblocks then load average drops by over 1 |
| 00:36.42 | JyZyXEL | really weird |
| 00:36.54 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: I already explained that. You should get some rest. |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | or read .. |
| 00:37.33 | petn-randall | pats JyZyXEL. |
| 00:37.53 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: its true, my head hurts, my eyes are red and i should've been to be hours ago because im dead tired |
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| 00:38.12 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: Me too, long day today. I'm heading off to bed. |
| 00:38.25 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: It'll probably be a lot clearer tomorrow morning ... :) |
| 00:38.36 | grazfather | Hey guys, I have a jessie vm that is failing when vagrant provisions with 'apt-get update'. It says the hash sum mismatches. In /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* there is one that's FAILED, but removing it doesn't help. Destroying the vm doesn't help. How do I resolve this kind of issue? |
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| 01:03.27 | Filystyn | what is the iceweasal directoy? |
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| 01:04.53 | eeach | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.12 | eeach | ? or are you looking for some other configs |
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| 01:07.20 | eeach | umount -f ? |
| 01:07.22 | debbyo | I have a disaster - wiped partition table, tried parted , the rescue option, and it says 'Error: Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /dev/sdd. ' What? Isn't it what it's supposed to do to find it without the table? |
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| 01:08.34 | eeach | phy1729: if that doesn't work try umount -lf ... it should unmount and clean references as things release the directory |
| 01:09.10 | debbyo | 'parted: invalid token: 400' , unit is set to GB, is parted broke? |
| 01:09.26 | phy1729 | eeach: tht didn't do it |
| 01:09.31 | Filystyn | got it working thx |
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| 01:10.06 | eeach | Filystyn: np :-) |
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| 01:18.13 | eeach | phy1729: I've got nothing, then. :-/ |
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| 01:19.22 | natsukao | a news http://samy.pl/usbdriveby/ |
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| 01:46.51 | UltimateNate | How come i get this error when using sudo |
| 01:47.06 | UltimateNate | sudo: unable to resolve host UltimatePyCalc |
| 01:47.15 | UltimateNate | Since i changed my hostname |
| 01:47.23 | dltl | what is in your /etc/hosts? |
| 01:49.12 | Anoniem4l | Hello, can anyone enlighten me why I am banned (prompts me with 403 Forbidden) from https://wiki.debian.org/ ? I would really appreciate a response, thanks. |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | Anoniem4l: one would think your IP had been posting spam or abusing it somehow |
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| 01:50.41 | Anoniem4l | abrotman: Indeed, but I am the only one who's operating it as a VPN, so I know what's happening. |
| 01:51.18 | pingfloyd | What's vpn got to do with it? |
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| 01:52.11 | UltimateNate | 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 01:52.11 | UltimateNate | 127.0.1.1U1timat3 |
| 01:52.31 | pingfloyd | Smtp is a while other can of worms |
| 01:53.28 | pingfloyd | If you're using a vpn provider, they've probably been blacklisted |
| 01:54.07 | pingfloyd | It is their ip that the host that you are trying to reach sees |
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| 03:15.30 | un214 | is there an easy to convice apt-get -b to make static binaries? |
| 03:16.15 | un214 | glibc is much bigger than the couple of binaries I need |
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| 03:21.02 | tekkbuzz | un214: I would think it would require all the depends in order to do a build. |
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| 03:23.04 | tekkbuzz | un214: you could of coarse do: apt-get autoremove to cleanup unused dependency packages. |
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| 03:31.28 | un214 | the dependencies are there at build time |
| 03:31.37 | un214 | I'm making a rescue CD |
| 03:31.46 | un214 | and the entire target system must fit in RAM |
| 03:32.15 | SirLagz | un214: with machines having 16GB of ram nowadays, that shouldn't be too hard... |
| 03:32.27 | un214 | there's a 64mb boot limit |
| 03:32.47 | un214 | this means the compressed size must be 64mb |
| 03:32.59 | SirLagz | un214: what are you making a rescue cd for ? Why not use a prebuilt rescue cd ? |
| 03:33.15 | un214 | because my system requires nonstandard drivers to boot |
| 03:33.24 | SirLagz | un214: what sort of system is it ? |
| 03:33.29 | un214 | desktop |
| 03:33.49 | SirLagz | un214: what sort of nonstandard drivers do you need for a desktop ? |
| 03:33.55 | SirLagz | I would think most things would be covered already |
| 03:34.07 | un214 | They're not |
| 03:34.18 | SirLagz | un214: is it an older desktop ? |
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| 03:34.23 | un214 | the only CD that works is a specific version of the debian jessie CD1 |
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| 03:34.36 | un214 | and even then it's not quite right |
| 03:34.44 | SirLagz | un214: so what drivers does it need ? |
| 03:34.46 | abrotman | un214: you realize static binaries are fairly large? |
| 03:34.52 | un214 | yes |
| 03:34.59 | un214 | but I only need 3 files not already in initrd |
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| 03:35.14 | abrotman | un214: which are? |
| 03:35.19 | un214 | vim, ssh, lilo |
| 03:35.40 | OSVG | O_o |
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| 03:35.58 | abrotman | only vim? heh |
| 03:36.24 | un214 | (busybox has almost everything else including ifconfig) |
| 03:36.43 | OSVG | un214, I thought you needed specific drivers? |
| 03:37.01 | un214 | yes, but they're already in the system initrd I started from |
| 03:37.31 | OSVG | And how big is your total image compared to your delivery? |
| 03:37.46 | un214 | so far I've added 2mb |
| 03:37.51 | un214 | I've still got ssh to go |
| 03:37.55 | OSVG | Ok. O_o |
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| 03:38.04 | tekkbuzz | un214: I think busybox comes with vi not vim. |
| 03:38.30 | un214 | why so it does |
| 03:38.46 | un214 | oh wow that's already in the system initrd! |
| 03:38.51 | un214 | just no link to it |
| 03:39.28 | un214 | well I know where I'm saving another MB if I end up over |
| 03:39.36 | un214 | but I'd rather keep largefile support |
| 03:40.35 | tekkbuzz | un214: also comes with telnet, which should be good enough for a rescue. |
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| 03:40.54 | un214 | tekkbuzz: ever try to pipe binary streams via telnet? |
| 03:41.04 | OSVG | Why not just telnet in, install sshd? |
| 03:41.07 | OSVG | or ssh? |
| 03:41.13 | OSVG | Or whatever it is you need, after rescue? |
| 03:41.26 | OSVG | You're building a lifepod with a gym in it. |
| 03:41.45 | un214 | one thing I've needed in the past is to copy all files off a nonbooting system |
| 03:41.46 | tekkbuzz | OSVG: roflmao |
| 03:42.00 | un214 | anyway I'm going to try to compile dropbear ssh |
| 03:42.01 | SirLagz | I thought busybox had ssh too |
| 03:42.10 | OSVG | Ok. |
| 03:42.14 | un214 | nope |
| 03:42.23 | OSVG | That doesn't answer in the slightest my question, but, I mean, whatever. |
| 03:42.25 | SirLagz | un214: which version of busybox are you using ? |
| 03:42.32 | un214 | the one out of the initrd |
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| 03:42.39 | SirLagz | that doesn't answer my question |
| 03:42.49 | OSVG | SirLagz: He's good at that, isn't he? |
| 03:42.52 | SirLagz | OSVG: heh |
| 03:43.11 | un214 | v1.20.2 |
| 03:44.05 | abrotman | This isn't really Debian related |
| 03:44.20 | un214 | that's debatible |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | un214: no, it's not Debian, it's your own distro |
| 03:44.29 | un214 | when I asked the questions debian specific I got zero answers |
| 03:44.47 | un214 | so I'm having to go the long way around |
| 03:44.57 | un214 | and now I can ask questions people might be able to answer |
| 03:45.02 | abrotman | un214: please take your non-Debian questions elsewhere, thank you |
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| 04:01.46 | jaggzt | how do you create a new calendar in korganizer? I got an error accessing the localdir calendar I added... how do I "create" a new one? (new file/db too) |
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| 04:10.01 | phix | Is there a way to find out when updates were last applied to a server? |
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| 04:10.19 | hassoon_wins | anyone knows the main package's name of the Qt4 development package? |
| 04:10.36 | phix | libqt4-dev? |
| 04:10.39 | hassoon_wins | i need to install it since it is a dependency for a piece of software i'm installing |
| 04:10.51 | hassoon_wins | phix: ummm not sure, will install that anyway |
| 04:11.25 | phix | hassoon_wins: that should install dependencies too |
| 04:12.01 | hassoon_wins | phix: installing libqt4-dev solely? |
| 04:12.19 | phix | and its recommends |
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| 04:17.31 | turnedtodust | j #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:29.24 | tekkbuzz | phix: did you find out about when updates were last applied? |
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| 04:32.07 | CarlFK | if you do "apt-get build-dep foo" how do I uninstall that stuff ? |
| 04:32.59 | tekkbuzz | apt-get purge foo ? |
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| 04:33.20 | CarlFK | tekkbuzz: that will undo "apt-get install foo" |
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| 04:37.00 | tekkbuzz | I use apt-get autoremove to clean up unused dependencies if that helps. |
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| 04:38.36 | tekkbuzz | CarlFK: ^^ |
| 04:39.22 | cafuego | CarlFK: are you building new video thingies? |
| 04:39.43 | tekkbuzz | huh? no. |
| 04:40.10 | tekkbuzz | ooops |
| 04:40.21 | cafuego | eyes tekkbuzz |
| 04:41.13 | tekkbuzz | shuts off his video camera. |
| 04:41.17 | cafuego | CarlFK: ..assuming you're *that* CarlFK and not a random other CarlFK. |
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| 04:52.08 | CarlFK | cafuego: yep, its me :D |
| 04:52.23 | cafuego | CarlFK: kattekrab says ohai :-) |
| 04:52.48 | CarlFK | cafuego: and kinda. I am playing QA for new videos things being build in the room I am in |
| 04:53.38 | cafuego | you in akl already? |
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| 04:57.14 | CarlFK | cafuego: yep. talkng with Mark n Ryan now |
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| 05:12.09 | yates | i don't understand the "network" parameter in the /etc/network/interfraces file |
| 05:12.12 | yates | why is it needed? |
| 05:12.44 | yates | isn't the network (the local subnet) defined by the interface's address ANDed with the netmask? |
| 05:13.32 | zr0 | i think that's just the range |
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| 05:15.55 | yates | zr0: what do you mean by the "range"? |
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| 05:18.41 | yates | huh! |
| 05:19.07 | yates | apparently "network" is not a valid parameter to an iface definition! |
| 05:19.18 | yates | i guess the programs reading the file just ignore it. |
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| 06:15.34 | Zinka | vsem privet! |
| 06:15.45 | Zinka | praznik talk me... |
| 06:16.16 | Zinka | drinking? |
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| 06:18.45 | Zinka | any body here are? |
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| 06:23.03 | Zinka | ANY... BODY!!!! ARE HERE ??? |
| 06:23.17 | Dewi | 1461 people are |
| 06:23.32 | EllusionSK | .....or are they..... |
| 06:23.54 | Zinka | ME NEED ONE COW |
| 06:23.55 | Dewi | I'm a bot so I probably don't count |
| 06:24.37 | Zinka | Qwik food COW |
| 06:24.44 | Zinka | :D |
| 06:26.19 | Zinka | PO RUSSKI RAZGOVARIVASH LOSHAD |
| 06:26.31 | Zinka | ??? |
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| 06:27.06 | nislova | Zinka: wtf? |
| 06:27.27 | Zinka | FTW |
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| 06:27.46 | Zinka | FINDING ONE HUMAN |
| 06:27.53 | nislova | Zinka: who? |
| 06:27.59 | Zinka | GIRL |
| 06:28.16 | nislova | stop drinking and slaping bear |
| 06:28.37 | Zinka | \ :: |
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| 06:28.43 | nislova | ^_o |
| 06:28.45 | Zinka | ):: |
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| 06:28.51 | nislova | o_^ |
| 06:28.58 | Zinka | ._. |
| 06:29.07 | nislova | stupid a little? |
| 06:29.24 | nislova | where are you from? |
| 06:29.32 | Zinka | NOT SHE NOT LITTLE |
| 06:29.51 | Zinka | SHE FINKING A BIG GIRL |
| 06:30.09 | Zinka | I FROM MOSCOW |
| 06:30.12 | nislova | Zinka: ya ne ponimayu chto ti pishesh) |
| 06:30.20 | nislova | im from moscow too |
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| 06:30.43 | Zinka | GOVORU ISHU ODNU AHUEVSHYU SUCHKU |
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| 06:31.21 | nislova | ok he is looking for a girl... hm... bad girl |
| 06:31.24 | Zinka | OT KUDA IMENNO? |
| 06:31.32 | nislova | pushkino |
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| 06:31.44 | Zinka | IS NOT A MOSCOW! |
| 06:32.00 | nislova | poputal? |
| 06:32.10 | Zinka | бÐЯТЬ ÐТÐУÐÐ ÐУШÐÐÐÐ ÐÐСÐÐÐРСТÐÐÐ? |
| 06:32.18 | nislova | дак облаÑÑÑ Ð¼Ð¾ÑковаÑкаÑ! |
| 06:32.24 | Zinka | ÐУ ÐÐ ÐÐСÐÐÐ ÐÐÐ |
| 06:32.32 | Zinka | Ð ÐÐÐÐСТЬ |
| 06:32.37 | nislova | но и не Ñ
абаÑовÑк |
| 06:32.43 | Zinka | FCKING VILLAGE |
| 06:32.51 | nislova | ficking default city! |
| 06:32.58 | Zinka | DOOO |
| 06:33.02 | phyl729 | !ops Zinka spamming |
| 06:33.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: phyl729 complains about: Zinka spamming |
| 06:33.09 | Zinka | :( |
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| 06:35.20 | matthiaskrgr | thanks |
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| 06:35.23 | matthiaskrgr | hehe |
| 06:37.21 | nislova | he countinue spamming at other channels |
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| 07:24.50 | skilz | Hi there, Java 7 is installed to /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/bin/java how do I add it to my PATH? |
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| 07:42.38 | percY- | I seem to be having a problem removing apache2 theres still somethhings apache related that are not completely removed... |
| 07:42.42 | percY- | Any ideas on this? |
| 07:42.51 | percY- | http://puu.sh/e8Hfj/400ebe9d38.png |
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| 07:44.22 | pfote | percY-: sure thats not just a up-to-date locate db? |
| 07:45.00 | percY- | Not sure what you mean by that |
| 07:45.14 | percY- | I'm sorry as i'm still a newbie when it comes to linux still learning |
| 07:45.32 | percY- | theres also a few things apache related in usr/sbin |
| 07:47.15 | pfote | are they actually there or are they just displayed by locate/whereis/etc |
| 07:47.25 | percY- | Oh okay let me check |
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| 07:47.56 | percY- | yes they are actually there |
| 07:48.18 | pfote | what did you remove? |
| 07:48.22 | percY- | apache |
| 07:48.40 | pfote | what package(s) exactly |
| 07:48.40 | percY- | well i orignally installed phpmyadmin mysql php and apache |
| 07:48.47 | percY- | and i wanted to remove them and run them on a vm |
| 07:49.11 | percY- | I'm pretty sure apache2, phpmyadmin, php, and mysql |
| 07:49.17 | percY- | actually |
| 07:49.19 | percY- | let me double check |
| 07:49.23 | percY- | i followed a guide |
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| 07:50.07 | pfote | pretty sure there where more packages installed via dependencies |
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| 07:50.40 | percY- | okay the following apt-get install i did ws apache2 , mysql-server, php5, php-pear, php5-mysql, phpmyadmin |
| 07:50.54 | percY- | and obviously whatever dependencies were required |
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| 07:52.12 | pfote | you have to uninstall those packages, too |
| 07:52.23 | pfote | s/packages/dependencies |
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| 07:53.30 | percY- | doesn't apt-get purge --remove, remove dependencies too? |
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| 07:54.28 | pfote | i think you can answer your own question :-) |
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| 08:20.04 | percY- | pfote i guess it doesn't |
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| 08:26.03 | pfote | percY-: try apt-get autoremove |
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| 08:31.59 | Hanumaan | I tried to do the dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and executed command dist-upgrade now I am in between sqeeze to wheezy however now I wish not upgrade and leave it like that. I have tar zipped the complete / folder can I restore with it my numpy package? some information is : http://paste.debian.net/139286/ . yesterday RoyK and tremon suggested to restore. |
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| 08:48.25 | rdz | hey.. my 24-core server shows a load of ~40, however, when i check with htop, none of the CPUs is actually fully loaded. what am i missing here? |
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| 08:55.42 | SirLagz | rdz: load average of 40 ? |
| 08:56.16 | rdz | SirLagz, yup |
| 08:56.41 | SirLagz | rdz: which figure of loadavg ? second ? minute ? 15 minutes ? |
| 08:56.43 | rdz | while this looks frightening, everything seems to still run fine |
| 08:56.48 | rdz | all of them |
| 08:57.54 | SirLagz | rdz: any processes using up lots of cpu time in h/top ? |
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| 08:59.20 | rdz | only one is consuming 140% and then there are a bunch of processes using 10 to 30% |
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| 09:06.10 | pfote | rdz: if you have high concurrency this sounds normal. what kind of server is that, a database? webserver? |
| 09:07.25 | rdz | pfote, it's a openvz hostnode running a bunch of openvz containers.. those are running all the stuff you mentioned |
| 09:08.09 | rdz | pfote, ok.. thanks for the hint |
| 09:08.47 | pfote | on those machines usually IO is the first bottleneck |
| 09:09.18 | rdz | that's what i was thinking, too |
| 09:09.29 | pfote | have you checked? |
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| 09:10.15 | rdz | checked what? |
| 09:10.26 | pfote | IO |
| 09:10.27 | rdz | whether IO is really the bottleneck? |
| 09:10.50 | rdz | IO is not saturated on the hostnode |
| 09:11.15 | pfote | then everything seems ok :-) |
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| 09:11.26 | rdz | it has a 10Gbit uplink to a quite a fast storage |
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| 09:15.33 | jelly-home | rdz: you're missing an understanding of load average; other than that there's probably nothing wrong |
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| 09:16.29 | Hanumaan | how to downgrade from wheezy to squeeze? |
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| 09:16.44 | babilen | Hanumaan: You can't |
| 09:16.57 | SirLagz | Hanumaan: why would you even want to do that ? |
| 09:17.01 | jelly-home | Hanumaan: the simplest thing to do is to install a fresh squeeze and migrate data and apps |
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| 09:18.02 | babilen | Hanumaan: The main reason for that is that maintainer scripts are not designed to handle downgrades and you therefore can't undo all changes that have been performed during the squeeze->wheeze upgrade (or that are present in a new wheezy installation) |
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| 09:20.03 | Hanumaan | babilen, SirLagz, jelly-home, I just did dist-upgrade in squeeze after wards something were not working for example numpy related applications so I want to keep back squeeze and fresh install wheezy but in the mean time I want the squeeze server to have numpy and now I am unable to install python-numpy .. for me main this now to get numpy installed in existing incomplete upgraded sqeeze machine some info: http://paste.debian.net/139286/ |
| 09:20.07 | nislova | hey folks, i dont want o drink my super coktail alone |
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| 09:21.35 | hid3 | Hello. I need to monitor a file for modifications. If the file hasn't been modified for more than 2 minutes, I need to take an action. Is it possible to do that with `find'? |
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| 09:22.15 | jelly-home | nislova: this is a tech support channel, if you want to socialize a bit try #debian-offtopic or the larger ##chat |
| 09:22.36 | nislova | jelly-home: oh im very sorry, wrong channel, sorry |
| 09:23.09 | SirLagz | hid3: "yes", but there are probably better ways of doing it rather than using find |
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| 09:25.49 | nislova | mm im confused but i unable to write on channel ##chat, what wrong with me? |
| 09:26.31 | hid3 | SirLagz: for example? (I know about inotify but I can't install it on this aprticular system) |
| 09:27.12 | osram | hid3: but that's the tool to use ;) |
| 09:27.24 | babilen | Hanumaan: There is no way you will achieve what you want to achieve unless you put in *a lot* of work. It will be much easier to reinstall squeeze and migrate data and settings. Alternatively you could upgrade to wheezy and we work on sorting out your problems with that. |
| 09:27.32 | hid3 | tell it my company who prohibits installation of any packages on prod servers |
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| 09:29.15 | babilen | hid3: You have to have some way to get additional packages into the set of blessed ones |
| 09:30.11 | SirLagz | hid3: well then. Can't really help there. |
| 09:30.17 | jelly-home | nislova: not sure. Try asking in ##chat-ops |
| 09:30.20 | SirLagz | hid3: You're going to need to install something to monitor it. |
| 09:31.26 | nislova | it was easy - kvirk ns identify service isnt working |
| 09:31.36 | nislova | thanks for helping |
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| 09:32.45 | Hanumaan | babilen, can only upgrade numpy to wheezy version in the existing sqeeze system? I mean can I some how install numpy package? in the existing system without upgrading complete system further? |
| 09:32.56 | osram | hid3: the other option, ugly as sin though, is to run `stat' in a loop and scrape its output |
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| 09:35.19 | babilen | Hanumaan: I don't think so, your system is in an inconsistent state and package dependencies are set in such a way that you will install packages from *either* squeeze or wheezy. I'd complete the upgrade to wheezy and then sort out the problems with your programs or reinstall squeeze |
| 09:37.21 | hid3 | osram: what's better - to use 'find <file> --mmin 2' or use 'stat %Y file' and some calculations? |
| 09:37.33 | Hanumaan | babilen, another question before I decide further .. I had already installed wheezy in another partition and I have dual OS(squeeze and wheezy) what do you suggest to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy or install all the things what I have in sqeeze in wheezy? |
| 09:37.47 | iveevue | Why do you want both squeeze and wheezy? |
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| 09:41.00 | Hanumaan | babilen, I know it depends on what kind of packages but I would like to have postgresql 8.4 in wheezy if possible which is only condition rest others(git, django, openbabel, pgchem.. ) hopefully should work in wheezy |
| 09:41.29 | babilen | So, why don't you simply complete the upgrade to wheezy? That sounds like the easiest option right now. |
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| 09:42.38 | pfote | why would you want a postgres 8.4? |
| 09:43.21 | babilen | Hanumaan: What's wrong with 9.1 ? |
| 09:43.23 | Hanumaan | pfote, postgres 8.4 works with pgchem version which is not possible with upgraded version of postgres |
| 09:43.34 | osram | hid3: I don't know. Even with find you'll have to loop. Note that -mmin 2 only finds files that were modified exactly 2 mins ago (not 1 and not 3). |
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| 09:44.14 | Hanumaan | pfote, babilen, not sure it would work probably with some tweeks but it was not working .. when I installed postgresql 9.1 in squeeze |
| 09:44.17 | babilen | Hanumaan: That project looks quite dead. You might have to keep on using squeeze until you figured out an alternative |
| 09:44.36 | babilen | (or you could fix pgchem so that it works with 9.1+) |
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| 09:44.57 | pfote | Hanumaan: i see, hasnt been touched for years. you can run 8.4 on wheezy using the packages from apt.postgresql.org |
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| 09:45.20 | babilen | Ah, good thinking pfote :) |
| 09:45.49 | Hanumaan | babilen, pfote, so is it possible to upgrade to wheezy now without upgradeing postgresql? |
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| 09:47.14 | pfote | Hanumaan: short answer: yes. check http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt .. there are packages for 8.4 up to 9.4 for squeeze, wheezy, jessie and unstable |
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| 09:49.25 | hid3 | osram: yes, I know I will need to loop. But if at the end of `while true` loop I add "sleep 60", that is supposed to catch the file not being modified exctly 2 mins ago, right? |
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| 09:49.30 | ntz | hello |
| 09:49.45 | Hanumaan | pfote, looks good .. thanks .. |
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| 09:50.17 | pfote | Hanumaan: these packages are built by the official maintainers .. so dont worry |
| 09:50.28 | osram | hid3: if you use -mmin +2 (note the plus) you catch it at 2 mins and older |
| 09:50.40 | ntz | need a little help .. I took over some debian servers in prod which I'll reinstall to centos later, now I need to do few things, I'm not used to manage debian servers so I'd like to ask for few things: |
| 09:50.44 | hid3 | oh, great |
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| 09:50.52 | osram | hid3: so that would probably be safest |
| 09:50.59 | Hanumaan | pfote, babilen, but what wrong did I do in the upgrade process that after running dist-upgrade it is still not going to wheezy? how to proceed further in upgrade process(squeeze to wheezy)? |
| 09:51.04 | ntz | 1) is normal, that these debian servers does NOT have set LANG= ? |
| 09:51.59 | ntz | 2) umask 0077 should be in $HOME/.profile, right ? debian is medievel and have nothing like etc/sysconfig or so, is it ? |
| 09:52.37 | pfote | Hanumaan: havent followed the whole discussion, what have you done so far? |
| 09:53.24 | ntz | 3) from where are loaded /etc/iptables.rules ? there ain't anything like iptables or ipfilter service, wth ? |
| 09:54.09 | osram | ntz: 2) default umask is set via pam_umask and set in /etc/login.defs |
| 09:54.24 | ntz | osram: thanks, good |
| 09:55.32 | ntz | osram: and if you want per-user umask ? ~/.profile for that user should be correct in debian, isn't it ? |
| 09:55.34 | osram | ntz: 3) install iptables-persistent and use it to save/restore rules from /etc/iptables |
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| 09:55.49 | osram | ntz: correct, afaik |
| 09:55.58 | ntz | osram: the mentioned file is here, I'm only wondering from where it is loaded |
| 09:56.02 | ntz | from which service |
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| 09:56.37 | osram | ntz: the pam_umask module on login |
| 09:56.41 | ntz | # grep -rI iptables /etc/init.d/ || echo weird |
| 09:56.43 | ntz | weird |
| 09:56.52 | ntz | osram: ^^ this confuses me the most |
| 09:57.11 | Hanumaan | pfote, this is the status right now after doing dist-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/139379/ .. Please let me know if you need other information .. |
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| 09:57.35 | osram | ntz: if you install iptables-persistent you get an iptables-persistent init script in /etc/init.d |
| 09:58.01 | ntz | osram: there is /etc/iptables.rules which contains actually loaded rules and I have no clue from where it's this service-file loaded |
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| 09:58.04 | Hanumaan | pfote, as of now I have commented out Wheezy sources in sources.list |
| 09:58.11 | ntz | osram: okay, thanks for help |
| 09:58.20 | ntz | osram: I think I have everything answered |
| 10:00.54 | ntz | osram: anyhow, don't you have any clue how the rules are (probably by debian default) loaded ? i'd still like to know the answer to this mysterious question but ofc I can resolve that instantly (kill the question) by your suggested iptables-persistent |
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| 10:01.47 | pfote | Hanumaan: just complete your upgrade to wheezy. it will install a 9.1 but you can throw that away later |
| 10:01.57 | osram | ntz: idk. Afaik there is no `default' in debian. You might have installed some other firewall package that I'm unaware of |
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| 10:03.21 | ntz | osram: okay, thanks .. no prob, I'll resolve it .. I'm just logged to these servers for first, also not very well oriented here |
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| 10:03.34 | ntz | **for first time |
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| 10:03.49 | osram | ntz: are you sure it's debian, not ubuntu or something? |
| 10:04.22 | ntz | osram: yes, etc/debian_release says 6.0.10 and uptime is 700+ days :) |
| 10:04.24 | osram | is just guessing |
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| 10:04.42 | osram | ntz: ugh, squeeze. Things might have been different back then. |
| 10:04.50 | osram | ntz: You should dist-upgrade |
| 10:04.55 | jaggz | need help.. I accidentally did a chown -R jaggz ../.. AFTER I did an su - |
| 10:04.56 | Hanumaan | pfote, should I follow this procedure: https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-debian-squeeze-to-wheezy ? |
| 10:05.00 | ntz | osram: I will, to centos :) |
| 10:05.07 | jaggz | without cd'ing to the right folder.. so I was only in /root/ |
| 10:05.19 | osram | ntz: heh, that's equivalent to dist-downgrade :D |
| 10:05.38 | jaggz | so it changed tons of folders' owners to my normal user account :( |
| 10:05.41 | ntz | but later .. ps. please don't take it wrong, I'm long time rhce molester, it's just only distro choice, no other politics behind :) |
| 10:05.46 | ntz | osram: ^^ yeah |
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| 10:05.57 | jaggz | I can't even su again |
| 10:05.59 | osram | ntz: no sweat, I was just kidding anyway |
| 10:06.03 | ChrisH | jaggz: quick solution, recover from backup or reinstall.... anything else might take more time. |
| 10:06.06 | ntz | no, that was funny :D |
| 10:06.20 | ntz | osram: it will be el6, not el7 :P |
| 10:06.39 | jaggz | hmm.. reinstall |
| 10:06.43 | ntz | so your point about dist downgrade is pretty descriptive |
| 10:06.56 | osram | ntz: go 7, drink the systemd coolaid :) |
| 10:07.10 | jaggz | how do I go about a reinstall? can dpkg-reconfigure help here? |
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| 10:08.06 | ntz | osram: oh not really, obviously in el6 is 2.6.32-358.23.2.el6.x86_64 and here on debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 so it's on par :P |
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| 10:09.12 | ntz | jaggz: again, what you did: `chown -R jaggz ../..' means what exactly, what was the relative path in absolute ? |
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| 10:09.26 | osram | ntz: those version numbers are misleading. While the debian kernel is close to vanilla, the rhel kernel is sort of a 'franken-kernel' with everything AND the kitchen sink backported into it. |
| 10:09.36 | ntz | I know .. |
| 10:09.43 | jaggz | it tried to go to root, and .. in root is still root |
| 10:09.51 | jaggz | so basically chown -R jaggz / |
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| 10:10.35 | imaami | jaggz: how about /* |
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| 10:11.34 | jaggz | ? |
| 10:11.41 | pfote | Hanumaan: is probably ok .. best is to follow the "official" upgrade notes in the releases |
| 10:11.52 | jaggz | sighs |
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| 10:12.02 | pfote | Hanumaan: like https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 10:12.28 | jaggz | I can't su - now .. operation not permitted.. |
| 10:12.37 | jaggz | but I have a root account on that system.. just need to access it locally |
| 10:12.53 | jaggz | not sure what to do about all the messed up ownerships now.. like /dev/* |
| 10:13.17 | ntz | jaggz: check if dpkg have some equivalent of rpm --setperms, which basically sets the file permissions back to defaults as they are stored in package (eg verify will tell you that perms changed, --setperms reverts them back) |
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| 10:16.15 | jaggz | http://hyperlogos.org/page/Restoring-Permissions-Debian-System |
| 10:16.17 | jaggz | hrm |
| 10:16.26 | jaggz | thanks for the help.. I might try something like that before a reinstall |
| 10:16.59 | jaggz | ntz, you got me to think of a good search.. |
| 10:17.10 | ntz | yw |
| 10:17.40 | jaggz | a bit old of a page.. something newer might be available since 2012 |
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| 10:19.58 | ntz | jaggz: generally speaking, if you can somehow list the expected rights (by polling a pkg system probably), you'll be the most likely able to restore the most things, however for instance a /dev will be tricky |
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| 11:08.31 | linutz | https://dpaste.de/QBdE ,how to fix this? |
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| 11:10.54 | ArtVandalae | siduction isn't Debian. You might want to contact their specific support channels |
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| 11:11.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell linutz -about siduction |
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| 11:24.35 | marbus90 | http://pastebin.com/P8hU5GcY && http://pastebin.com/pzqyUAXX after reboot, I can access services like ssh via the eth0 IP, but after about 20-30 minutes, connections to ssh and apt-cacher-ng are refused on that IP. however, SSH would continue working via the IP of eth1:3. |
| 11:25.07 | marbus90 | also eth1:n shows the MAC from eth1, but connections are served via eth0 only. |
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| 11:51.55 | testdeb | hi i have debian wheezy, how can i test my bluetooth from my PC? i user dell inspiron 1440, there is no bluetooth option on my keypad, but wheezy detects a bluetooth and i can switch it on and off, but the visibility shows always off. i checked dmesg, the output is here, the bluetooth status is also checked which shows it is running. http://pastebin.com/xi16qQ0h |
| 11:52.12 | testdeb | But the PC is not detected from my phone or tab as a bluetooth device, what can i do to make it detect and do some data transfer from my other devices |
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| 12:33.26 | Tazmain | Hi all, why does debian have a service that logs what you search for and install ? |
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| 12:36.49 | jeffrin | Tazmain : which service are you talking about ? |
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| 12:47.37 | rdz | <jelly-home> rdz: you're missing an understanding of load average; other than that there's probably nothing wrong |
| 12:47.48 | rdz | jelly-home, what makes you think so? |
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| 12:50.04 | Sander^asd | How do I use cgroups to limit resources so each process inside a group cant use more than 20% cpu? but they all can use all of it without any problem. |
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| 12:51.38 | Sander^asd | ..if cgroups is right to use. |
| 12:52.39 | testdeb | hi i have missed some conversation for last 1 hr, can anyone help me point where i can read the log of past hour? im new to irc |
| 12:53.03 | testdeb | is it stored somewhere? |
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| 12:53.44 | Tazmain | jeffrin, Not sure what it is called |
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| 12:54.43 | SynrGy | testdeb: irclogs for freenode are not 'live'. i.e. anything you missed in the last hr you would need to obtain from someone personally |
| 12:54.46 | SynrGy | !irclogs |
| 12:54.47 | dpkg | [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://thegrebs.com/irc/ |
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| 12:55.39 | SynrGy | testdeb: there was no significant conversation in the past hour, and no answers to your question. |
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| 12:56.00 | testdeb | SynrGy: ok. thank you |
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| 12:57.26 | SynrGy | testdeb: as for the bluetooth dmesg output, i think you get those even without any bluetooth hardware present |
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| 12:58.11 | SynrGy | unfortunately, i have no bluetooth hardware myself, so am not a great source of help with this. i do know there should be some bluetooth device created, and i don't see anything like that in the dmesg excerpt you showed |
| 12:58.33 | SynrGy | !bluetooth |
| 12:58.34 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa . For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>. See also <btusb>. |
| 12:58.40 | SynrGy | dunno if any of that helps ^^ |
| 12:58.45 | SynrGy | i gotta scoot. good luck. |
| 12:59.00 | testdeb | SynrGy: ok, thank you very much, will look up |
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| 12:59.48 | marbus90 | someone new in the past 90 minutes who could help me with the networking issues? |
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| 13:00.06 | testdeb | SynrGy: if the device is created, idealy should it show up in /dev/ ? |
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| 13:03.17 | ob-sed | hi |
| 13:03.22 | ob-sed | so i built a computer |
| 13:03.41 | ob-sed | afew months ago, so i guess it's hardware will be well supported by jessie when its released/completed ? |
| 13:03.48 | ob-sed | its an i7 4790k, with HD4600 iGPU |
| 13:04.04 | ob-sed | and nvidia GTX 780 Ti. i was hoping to run debian and steam on it :) |
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| 13:10.18 | SirLagz | ob-sed: should be fine to run steam on that |
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| 13:11.12 | SirLagz | ob-sed: just make sure you use nvidia's drivers |
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| 13:22.10 | ob-sed | SirLagz: excellent, sounds great =) |
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| 13:22.19 | ob-sed | SirLagz: yeah i'll use their driver, for the gaming perf |
| 13:22.53 | dontknow | do you think 3.2 kernel has better power saving than latest kernel? |
| 13:23.14 | ob-sed | i dont know dontknow |
| 13:23.20 | ob-sed | you would think the latest kernel would have the best |
| 13:23.44 | dontknow | ob-sed, yes. but my long observations say otherwise |
| 13:23.47 | ob-sed | though phoronix wrote an article about a power management regression in a new kernel (at the time of the article, its not the latest kernel anymore) |
| 13:24.04 | ob-sed | what hardware is it on dontknow ? |
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| 13:24.21 | dontknow | ob-sed, intel 3rd gen laptop |
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| 13:24.42 | dontknow | i tested it by disabling intel_pstate to be fair |
| 13:24.48 | ob-sed | hmm ok |
| 13:24.53 | ob-sed | dontknow, Another Intel Linux Power Regression Is Being Investigated |
| 13:24.53 | ob-sed | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc3NTE |
| 13:25.10 | JyZyXEL | my great first 3D gaming experience on linux, 30 seconds of tuxracer and the whole machine just locks up :D |
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| 13:25.22 | ob-sed | what latest kernel r u using dontknow that has worse power management ? |
| 13:25.34 | ob-sed | i look forward to jessie steam gaming |
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| 13:25.44 | JyZyXEL | :))) |
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| 13:25.55 | ob-sed | its not GPL software |
| 13:26.08 | ob-sed | but its still progress, getting the high end gaming platforms on debian |
| 13:26.38 | marbus90 | heh, the jessie boxes at home are just boinc space heaters. worse power management would actually not be too bad. |
| 13:26.44 | ob-sed | i guess RMS would argue thats not progress lol |
| 13:26.50 | marbus90 | in addition to that atm the energy usage isn't metered |
| 13:27.08 | ob-sed | i guess all the gaming improvements on linux is really good is what i mean |
| 13:27.19 | ob-sed | as thats like the last thing windows had an upper hand in |
| 13:27.29 | marbus90 | but I'd really appreciate a hint as to how untangle this networking nastiness |
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| 13:28.20 | SirLagz | marbus90: what networking nastiness ? |
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| 13:28.38 | marbus90 | http://pastebin.com/P8hU5GcY && http://pastebin.com/pzqyUAXX after reboot, I can access services like ssh via the eth0 IP, but after about 20-30 minutes, connections to ssh and apt-cacher-ng are refused on that IP. however, SSH would continue working via the IP of eth1:3. also eth1:n shows the MAC from eth1, but connections are served via eth0 only. |
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| 13:30.30 | SirLagz | marbus90: out of curiosity, why so many IP addresses ? |
| 13:30.45 | SirLagz | marbus90: and does any messages come up in dmesg when stuff stops working ? |
| 13:30.45 | marbus90 | those are for this one: http://blog.multiplay.co.uk/2014/04/lancache-dynamically-caching-game-installs-at-lans-using-nginx/ |
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| 13:31.32 | SirLagz | marbus90: that's interesting. I'm going to bookmark that site :D |
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| 13:31.41 | marbus90 | only thing I see is dhcprequests, but those are correctly served. |
| 13:31.56 | marbus90 | for debianoids, change the config for lancache to this: https://github.com/LanSmash/servers/commit/6f7cf7ea2ad5ec4475c9ea166004932aea72d01a |
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| 13:32.27 | SirLagz | marbus90: no idea about your networking issue though, sorry |
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| 13:32.35 | dontknow | ob-sed, it is like after 3.8 or something like that i can't say the exact number. but with kernel 3.2 fan is more quiet and i am getting same performance |
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| 13:32.56 | dontknow | tested on both arch and debian |
| 13:33.19 | dontknow | (3.2 kernel not tested on arch) |
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| 13:33.39 | marbus90 | at least nginx/lancache is working, the main reason for that box. |
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| 13:33.58 | dontknow | so newer is not always better huh? |
| 13:34.30 | ChrisH | !sns |
| 13:34.30 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 13:34.32 | sandman13 | older but well tested is always better |
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| 13:34.52 | jelly-home | rdz: well, from your question it looked you thought there had to be something wrong |
| 13:35.18 | marbus90 | SirLagz: also keep in mind that you need nginx >1.6 for that |
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| 13:37.16 | dontknow | ChrisH, yes. but my last experience was not so good. i wanted to backport alsa and broke my wheezy |
| 13:37.22 | ntz | this debian is so annoing |
| 13:37.35 | dontknow | latest alsa gives better sound quality |
| 13:37.53 | ntz | **annoying |
| 13:37.53 | ntz | what's please the parameter for last command in debian that it prints a full content ? |
| 13:37.53 | ntz | can't find it in man |
| 13:37.59 | ntz | it's really wtf feature |
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| 13:38.28 | abrotman | ntz: I think you have to specify which files to look at, and they rotate |
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| 13:39.12 | Vroomfon1le | ntz: do you mean you want to repeat the last command in a terminal? |
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| 13:39.25 | p0g0 | ntz: do you mean 'history'? |
| 13:40.05 | ob-sed | dontknow: yeah i guess there could be a power management regression in a later kernel |
| 13:40.44 | ob-sed | sandman13: yeah thats why i built a computer before the jessie freeze, so that when jessie is released it should be old tested hardware ;-) |
| 13:40.58 | ob-sed | rather than shiny new shit lol |
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| 13:41.24 | marbus90 | hmm, ifdown and ifup'd eth0, now it says at least connection refused on eth0 ip instead of generic network issues... |
| 13:41.31 | ob-sed | marbus90: do you need that many interfaces ? |
| 13:41.35 | ob-sed | no firewall issues ? |
| 13:42.15 | ob-sed | also eth1:2, eth1:3, eth1:4, etc |
| 13:42.22 | ntz | Vroomfon1le: no, just the entire last log as elX prints |
| 13:42.24 | ob-sed | what does that mean, are they like separate vlans or something ? |
| 13:42.25 | ntz | as solaris shows, as my suse workstation shows, as damned OL6 shows |
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| 13:42.37 | ntz | it shows me only todays record |
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| 13:42.43 | ob-sed | because you could have a problem there marbus90, the same network/subnet but on different interfaces |
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| 13:42.50 | ob-sed | that often doesnt end great |
| 13:43.26 | marbus90 | it's quite a nasty setup with DNS redirections etc to get the lancache running |
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| 13:43.50 | marbus90 | hmm, probably should follow trough and configure the management subnet |
| 13:43.58 | ntz | in manual is -num (eg the number of entries, but last -99 doesn't show me 99 login entries) |
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| 13:44.38 | marbus90 | since eth0 should be dedicated to management including the shared IPMI port and eth1 (or whatever NIC we're shoving in for prodction) for lancache |
| 13:45.37 | ntz | p0g0 & abrotman gotcha http://susepaste.org/view/raw/17278519 .. my bad dream came true .. in this *%$#&* system is wtmp rotated ??? |
| 13:46.00 | abrotman | yes, that's normal, which is why I mentioned specifying your wtmp file that you're looking at |
| 13:46.01 | ntz | that's truly "original" approach |
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| 13:46.14 | abrotman | ntz: well, HDDs do fill up |
| 13:46.15 | ntz | abrotman: okay, resolved .. |
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| 13:46.29 | abrotman | ntz: side note, you can disable that rotation |
| 13:46.46 | ntz | abrotman: nowehere is wtmp rotated, or not at least with a copy 1 policy .. it's clearly retarded and it's obviously debian default |
| 13:46.52 | ob-sed | marbus90: so is each eth1:2, eth1:3, eth1,4 a separate physical RJ45 port ? |
| 13:46.58 | ntz | I know, I only wonder |
| 13:47.01 | marbus90 | yup |
| 13:47.04 | ob-sed | ok |
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| 13:47.08 | ob-sed | then imo you've configured it wrong |
| 13:47.10 | marbus90 | eh, eth0 is one and eth1 is another |
| 13:47.13 | abrotman | ntz: so change it .. but other distros do this also |
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| 13:47.18 | ob-sed | you can assign the same subnet to all those different ports man |
| 13:47.25 | ob-sed | and they are physically plugged into different networks too ? |
| 13:47.25 | ntz | thanks for help and patience .. just once again, I took over some debian servers today and I'm just looking around how they are set up |
| 13:47.31 | marbus90 | and everything with eth1:n shoud in theory be bound to the physical eth1 nic |
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| 13:47.37 | marbus90 | all on the same switch for now |
| 13:47.41 | ob-sed | ok |
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| 13:47.57 | ob-sed | hmm |
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| 13:48.10 | ob-sed | its not really how i'd configure it, but i dont know what kind of network you're settings up |
| 13:48.18 | ntz | abrotman: my rhel/centos/SLE servers (when we talk about linux) does not do it and my suse workstation also does not do it - and now I'm discussing defaults |
| 13:48.42 | abrotman | ntz: Right, but other distros do also do this. I didn't say RHEL/CentOS were among them. |
| 13:48.56 | ntz | abrotman: default for wtmp in el6 is something like 1M which should be enough for years |
| 13:49.10 | abrotman | ntz: less /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 13:49.17 | ntz | default in debian is retarded copy 1 which means that it kills the file not based on size but based on previous rotation done monthly or weekly - who knows |
| 13:49.42 | abrotman | perhaps you'd actually learn how to tell when it's rotating instead of slinging about silly words |
| 13:49.53 | ntz | abrotman: if you have an access/account to debian bugzilla feel free to report it as bug and change that default :) |
| 13:50.06 | abrotman | ntz: so do you, bugs.debian.org |
| 13:50.10 | Vandalism | Hello! Can anyone help to organize usage of different domains with different CMS and DB's on single VPS. What is the better way to do it on Debian 7? Thank you! |
| 13:50.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ntz about reportbug |
| 13:50.13 | marbus90 | for now it's only testing with a single 192.168.1.0/24 subnet, in production at the event we'll run 172.16.0.0-172.16.9.0 with a dedicated management network |
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| 13:51.08 | ntz | abrotman: I don't have debian bugzilla account and I don't plan to use debian .. don't take it personal or offensive |
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| 13:51.26 | abrotman | ntz: you don't need an "account", you just need an email address to submit the bug |
| 13:51.28 | marbus90 | I'm still thinking that 1792 IPs may not be enough for the general clients/wifi subnet... |
| 13:51.45 | ntz | abrotman: okay, fair, then I'll do it |
| 13:51.50 | abrotman | ntz: Good luck, thanks for hte report |
| 13:51.56 | ob-sed | marbus90: so lancache, is that caching steam installs |
| 13:52.08 | marbus90 | steam, blizzard, hirez, sony, riot, you name it |
| 13:52.12 | ob-sed | ah cool |
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| 13:52.23 | ob-sed | i think you need a networking guy to doublecheck your settings |
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| 13:53.36 | marbus90 | I'll just need to wait for the clients network engineers, they're going to run the event, they can have fun with that |
| 13:53.47 | marbus90 | I just try to do as much as I can being 8000km away :p |
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| 13:55.41 | ob-sed | hehe |
| 13:55.54 | ob-sed | yeah a proper network engineer will be able to sort that out |
| 13:56.06 | ob-sed | marbus90: is there any reason you cant just assign different subnets to each network interface ? |
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| 13:56.37 | ob-sed | or are you trying to use multiple NICs to serve to the same network for performance reasons or something |
| 13:57.12 | marbus90 | I'd like to have someone onsite to correct me if I fucked up... since I'll have to reassign IPMI too and that basically cuts me off from everything |
| 13:57.41 | marbus90 | that'll take around 12 to 16 hours until I can get that sorted out |
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| 14:05.52 | ob-sed | marbus90: yeah a networking guy sounds right |
| 14:06.38 | marbus90 | as soon as it touches pfSense or even the WAN side, I'm out. not gonna cut off the branch I'm sitting on eh |
| 14:07.43 | marbus90 | also I dunno whatever undocumented changes they made... following protocol isn't really their thing ;) |
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| 14:08.26 | Tazmain | hi all, does anyone know a good ext4 recovery program ? |
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| 14:12.50 | babilen | Tazmain: extundelete and photorec, but don't expect much. Better revert to your last backup. |
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| 14:13.14 | babilen | (and stop using the filesystem immediately and work on an image) |
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| 14:34.44 | no_gravity | Good Morning! Any ideas how to find the newest file in a directory including subdirectories? |
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| 14:35.17 | wedjats | hi guys |
| 14:35.51 | wedjats | i have a question about DSA 3117-1 : will there be a patch for Debian Squeeze (use after free vulnerability in PHP) ? |
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| 14:37.46 | petemc | wedjats: squeeze no longer gets updates, as of middle of last year |
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| 14:41.33 | jelly-home | um... |
| 14:41.34 | jelly-home | !squeeze-lts |
| 14:41.34 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:44.29 | jelly-home | wedjats: if you decide to use squeeze-lts, subscribe to DLA in addition to DSA, https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts-announce/ |
| 14:46.07 | jelly-home | wedjats: php support in squeeze-lts is reduced (debian-security-support will tell you that); I'm not exactly sure what that means |
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| 14:49.26 | wedjats | thanks you very much for your answers guys |
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| 14:54.25 | jelly-home | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-3117-1 links to CVEs on the tracker suggest squeeze-lts is vulnerable, but if you need that fixed, best ask the lts people. (You can also sponsor fixes) |
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| 15:01.10 | ntz | thanks for help chan and adieu !!! |
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| 15:08.07 | Tenkawa | greetings all. |
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| 15:09.07 | Tenkawa | Is there a distribured apt-get available or a package to keep multiple boxes in sync? |
| 15:09.08 | Tenkawa | er distrivuted |
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| 15:09.45 | abrotman | Tenkawa: you can use configuration management like puppet/salt/chef/ansible/cfengine or use a apticron/cron-apt ? |
| 15:09.46 | Tenkawa | kinda looking for the distcc of the packaging world.. heheh |
| 15:09.54 | yells | Tenkawa: I use ansible for that; it's easy to set up and you can do exactly that |
| 15:10.00 | Tenkawa | nice |
| 15:10.21 | Tenkawa | I'll take a look then. Thanks to you both |
| 15:10.21 | Tenkawa | and hi abrotman been a while.. |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | Hello |
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| 15:11.04 | Tenkawa | ansible looks perfect |
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| 15:12.12 | Tenkawa | 4 boxes to start.. likely to add half a dozen or more in a few weeks |
| 15:12.12 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 15:12.16 | rocksteady | Hi. I experienced a weird behaviour when running su inside screen. |
| 15:12.30 | rocksteady | I run: su user -c "ping kernel.org" |
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| 15:12.50 | rocksteady | When pressing Ctrl-C "Session terminated, terminating shell...!" occurs and thew ping keeps running |
| 15:13.17 | rocksteady | I can only see the output, no way to stop ping |
| 15:13.59 | Tenkawa | intriguing |
| 15:14.32 | rocksteady | Is there an explaination for this and a way to fix this? |
| 15:14.39 | ChrisH | rocksteady: ps -efl | grep ping shpuld show the PID. kill it as root |
| 15:15.13 | rocksteady | yes, it is no problem to kill it, but i want to use other tools beside ping that require actual user interaction |
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| 15:15.37 | rocksteady | I would like to pass the Ctrl-C to ping, not to an underlying shell |
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| 15:16.45 | Tenkawa | rocksteady: are you using special stty settings? |
| 15:17.18 | rocksteady | No, but ping runs as a system user without login shell |
| 15:17.31 | rocksteady | ...If that matters |
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| 15:18.15 | Tenkawa | you aren't backgrounding the proc are you? |
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| 15:18.58 | rocksteady | running su user -c "ping kernel.org" outside of screen enables me to actually quit ping: "Session terminated, terminating shell..." followed by the ping stat summary and finally "...terminated." |
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| 15:19.10 | Tenkawa | hm |
| 15:19.14 | Tenkawa | intriguing indeed |
| 15:19.23 | rocksteady | not yet, I'm about to 'daemonize' a script. But I haven't detached the screen at all |
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| 15:19.45 | Tenkawa | out if curiosity whats $TERM set to? |
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| 15:19.56 | rocksteady | I read it is best practice to run su inside screen, not the other way around. |
| 15:20.14 | Tenkawa | rocksteady: why not use sudo ? |
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| 15:20.50 | rocksteady | running inside screen: su user -c "echo $TERM" results in "screen" |
| 15:20.51 | L337hium | hello. i have a stupid question or i act stupid. I can not install mumble from wheeyz-backports and my debian 7.7 machine. apt-get trys to get the version from wheezy. I have followed http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 15:21.18 | Tenkawa | try setting it to linux or ansi |
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| 15:22.21 | eheil | Hey guys. |
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| 15:23.19 | Tenkawa | greetings |
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| 15:23.57 | Tenkawa | well darn.. 3 out of my 4 boards works |
| 15:24.07 | Tenkawa | electrical failure on the 4th |
| 15:24.08 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 15:25.28 | Tenkawa | rocksteady: any luck? |
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| 15:26.07 | jelly-home | ,v mumble |
| 15:26.08 | judd | Package: mumble on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u2; jessie: 1.2.8-2; sid: 1.2.8-2 |
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| 15:26.38 | jelly-home | L337hium: there's no mumble in wheezy-backports, it seems |
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| 15:27.02 | rocksteady | Tenkawa: Using sudo it actually works as it should, I'll stick with it for now. Thanks for the help. :) |
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| 15:27.10 | Tenkawa | no problem at all |
| 15:27.12 | Tenkawa | good luck |
| 15:27.30 | L337hium | jelly-home: k then the information on the mumble wiki is not up to date. they said there should be an uptodate version in the backports :/ thx any way i try to compile it |
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| 15:29.15 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport mumble |
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| 15:29.35 | judd | Backporting package mumble in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libzeroc-ice35-dev, ice35-translators, ice35-slice. |
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| 15:30.06 | jelly-home | ouch |
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| 15:48.00 | NO-1 | Hello |
| 15:48.15 | NO-1 | need help!! |
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| 15:50.05 | NO-1 | How can i configure the power boton (hardware) on debian? |
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| 15:50.42 | Hanumaan | when I am trying to upgrade to wheezy I get this error "E: Der Wert »6.0*« ist für APT::Default-Release ungültig, da solch eine Veröffentlichung in den Paketquellen nicht verfügbar ist." can any one suggest what could be the problem? |
| 15:51.04 | tuxx- | NO-1: https://wiki.debian.org/OffAndOnAgain |
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| 15:52.31 | Hanumaan | pfote, when I try to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy I get error "E: the value is 6.0 and for APT: Default-Release notvalid. Those sources are not available .. |
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| 15:53.24 | NO-1 | hey |
| 15:53.50 | NO-1 | i wanna scroll up |
| 15:53.51 | NO-1 | didnt get the chance to copy the link |
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| 15:54.19 | tuxx- | NO-1: https://wiki.debian.org/OffAndOnAgain |
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| 15:56.42 | jelly | Hanumaan: do you have a non-empty /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 15:57.18 | jelly | !tell Hanumaan about localized errors |
| 15:57.18 | jelly | !tell Hanumaan about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 15:58.34 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I want to chroot into a debian created with debootstrap on a system that does not have a chroot command (asus rt n18u router). Any hints on a short howto? |
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| 16:00.25 | jelly | ElDiabolo: um... does /path/to/chroot/usr/sbin/chroot work? |
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| 16:00.42 | Hanumaan | jelly, thanks alot for that language command here is it in english : http://paste.debian.net/139414/ |
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| 16:03.04 | ElDiabolo | jelly, No. But if this is not a known problem (don't think I am the first to have that) I'll find out myself. First thing I'll try is LD_LIBRARY_PATH. |
| 16:03.49 | rdz | <jelly-home> rdz: well, from your question it looked you thought there had to be something wrong |
| 16:03.59 | rdz | actually there was something wrong |
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| 16:05.30 | rdz | there was a mismatch in the MTU size.. the CTs believed it to be 9000, but by some mistake it was only set to 1500. And since the container's storage is on NFS, there must have been a lot of failed requests for every single storage operation |
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| 16:07.03 | rdz | normally, when you try to send a packet with a too high MTU, you get immediately notified, but because there was some very specific and unlucky misconfiguration, such packets would just go to nirvana, so the performance impact was bigger than you would normally expect with wrongly configured MTU size |
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| 16:07.28 | rdz | now the load stays around 2-3 |
| 16:07.47 | jelly | fun! |
| 16:07.48 | Hanumaan | jelly, sorry I did not answer your another question yet .. the files /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/apt.conf are empty documents .. |
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| 16:08.40 | jelly | Hanumaan: well, that "6.0" thing is coming out of some non-default config. Perhaps grep -Fr 6.0 /etc/apt |
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| 16:10.55 | Hanumaan | jelly, they seems to be coming from a binary file apt/trusted http://paste.debian.net/139417/ |
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| 16:13.24 | jelly | Hanumaan: it's /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default |
| 16:13.32 | jelly | get rid of that |
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| 16:17.51 | korneliusz | So... I am the guy with the legacy GeForce 5200 FX |
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| 16:18.38 | korneliusz | I now have nouveau, I removed all nvidia packages and gnome became evidently touchscreen oriented again. |
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| 16:19.50 | korneliusz | I wonder what's the trigger here. It seems that as soon as I get hardware acceleration, I also get the touchscreen version of gnome AND a ton of glitches, including, now, the fact that every window only displays a blue rectangle (even though the processes seem to be working, like glxgears fe., judging from my blind input to them.) |
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| 16:20.39 | colonolGron | hello, i am considering switching to debian. |
| 16:20.53 | tuxx- | do it! |
| 16:21.05 | colonolGron | some questions before i try |
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| 16:21.24 | colonolGron | is PPA something invented by ubuntu? and will it work in debian too? |
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| 16:23.02 | g105b | How do I upgrade PHP to PHP >= 5.5.12 on Debian 7? I'm not using Apache server, so don't want to use the commonly used "dotdeb" stuff, if possible. |
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| 16:23.24 | colonolGron | another thing: on some websites you could download a program in exe dmg and deb (ubuntu). i wondered why ubuntu.. i suppose .debs for ubuntu are not always compatible with debian? |
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| 16:24.46 | Vroomfon1le | colonolGron: sometimes the Ubuntu .deb will depend upon another package which is not in Debian, or which is too old in Debian, etc. |
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| 16:25.13 | colonolGron | Vroomfon1le: i see |
| 16:26.46 | colonolGron | can i just dd the netinst image on an usb drive? |
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| 16:27.50 | ChrisH | colonolGron: use cp |
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| 16:28.27 | colonolGron | you mean first mounting and den cping the stuff? but isnt there an extra step to make the stick bootable ChrisH? |
| 16:28.54 | Vroomfon1le | yes you can just dd the iso onto it |
| 16:28.57 | Vroomfon1le | colonolGron: ^^ |
| 16:28.58 | ChrisH | colonolGron: no. cp file.iso /dev/sdX |
| 16:29.32 | Vroomfon1le | ChrisH: er, that won't do what he wants. That'll just put the ISO file onto the USB stick. |
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| 16:29.39 | Vroomfon1le | oh wait, /dev |
| 16:29.40 | Vroomfon1le | sorry |
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| 16:31.58 | ChrisH | Vroomfon1le: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html#usb-copy-isohybrid |
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| 16:35.03 | colonolGron | dd worked |
| 16:35.50 | colonolGron | one more thing. i have an US keyboard, and want software to use the english language. but time to be my local time (Zurich). |
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| 16:35.57 | colonolGron | what locale do i have to set? |
| 16:36.08 | colonolGron | en_US.UTF-8 and time doesnt affect that? |
| 16:36.28 | ChrisH | colonolGron: yep. I do the same |
| 16:36.37 | colonolGron | ChrisH: :) |
| 16:36.50 | tuxx- | timezone and keyboard do not interfere with eachother afaik |
| 16:36.53 | ChrisH | Time is set via TZ / timezone |
| 16:37.08 | colonolGron | but what about my PPA question. are PPAs available in debian? |
| 16:37.20 | ChrisH | colonolGron: no PPA in Debian |
| 16:37.33 | petn-randall | Makes sense, since the US consists of "only one" keyboard layout, but has 4 timezones. :) |
| 16:37.35 | ChrisH | !ppa |
| 16:37.35 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 16:38.00 | tuxx- | !why not use a ppa |
| 16:38.00 | dpkg | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
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| 16:38.40 | colonolGron | hmm |
| 16:38.45 | colonolGron | now thats good |
| 16:38.55 | colonolGron | i would like to have my own packages in a PPA of my own |
| 16:39.01 | colonolGron | for easy installation of all my PCs |
| 16:39.17 | tuxx- | create a local debian repository and add your packages there |
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| 16:40.22 | colonolGron | it should be available online as some of "my" pcs are not here :) |
| 16:40.45 | OSVG | Then host a server with your own repo? |
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| 16:41.30 | colonolGron | i have to say a PPA sounds much easier than setting up a server, and create a debian repo on it |
| 16:41.31 | tuxx- | what OSVG said :-) |
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| 16:41.48 | colonolGron | i dont have the resources for that. costs more energy. and i have to care about security of the server |
| 16:41.55 | U94 | Hello Guys, I alwaus used windows. now I want to start learning linux, so which One should I start with : debian, ubuntu, elementary .. ?! :) thanks :) |
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| 16:42.15 | tuxx- | well U94, you're in #debian, so take a wild guess what we prefer :D |
| 16:42.43 | OSVG | colonol: So you want something personal, and private, that is non-standard, but you're too lazy/cheap to spend $5 a month on a debian vps somewhere to have what you want. |
| 16:42.48 | U94 | tuxx-, I was thinking about that :D !!all will say debian :D |
| 16:42.51 | rgr | Me smell troll |
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| 16:43.55 | rgr | U94: but since you're a beginner you'd be mad to use Debian. Try Ubuntu or Mint. The move to Debian. Why? Better and more uptodate with more frequent packages for newest HW. Larger communities. Nagatives? Most of the users a lame fanbois with ZERO clue how to do something properly... Have fun! :) |
| 16:44.32 | rgr | Then move back to Debian which is released and supported by people who know what they are doing! :) |
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| 16:45.15 | U94 | rgr : Thank you, Sir I'll start with ubuntu then :) thanks for the advice |
| 16:45.21 | colonolGron | OSVG: actually it doesnt have to bep ersonal nor private, did i say that? |
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| 16:45.50 | OSVG | So you just want somewhere that your packages will be? Except they won't be in the repos already provided by Debian? |
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| 16:46.20 | colonolGron | OSVG: i dont think that my packages will be added to main debian repository, thats why |
| 16:46.25 | ChrisH | U94: You might want to consider using virtualbox on Windows to do your first steps in the shiny new world of real OSes :) |
| 16:46.40 | OSVG | So they are things you have coded and packaged yourself? |
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| 16:47.27 | U94 | ChrisH, Ok, I will dual boot them |
| 16:47.34 | ioudas | I started on mandrake 5 ;-/ |
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| 16:47.43 | ioudas | im old |
| 16:47.49 | tuxx- | hehe |
| 16:47.53 | tuxx- | i bought my first linux in a shop actually |
| 16:47.54 | colonolGron | OSVG: yep |
| 16:47.58 | tuxx- | suse 7.1 if im not mistaken |
| 16:48.00 | ioudas | Get off my lawn! |
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| 16:48.11 | colonolGron | OSVG: actually not packaged as .deb just ebuilds so far |
| 16:48.20 | tuxx- | back in the days when it was cheaper to buy software rather then download it via 56k |
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| 16:48.26 | ioudas | i went mandrake... freebsd. then i went to slackware, then to debian, then to arch linux. |
| 16:48.36 | OSVG | Ok. So to put them up in PPA you'd have to have them packaged anyways, right? |
| 16:48.37 | U94 | lol !! I've never bought a CD/DVD !:D |
| 16:48.38 | ioudas | now i run debian for servers ;-) |
| 16:49.17 | colonolGron | another thing: i was downloading the netinst cd, but i have only wifi at this place. and netinst seems to online support ethernet (or i need a driver that isnt on the cd). is there another CD i could copy on the stick which has more drivers? |
| 16:49.20 | OSVG | If that's so and you can ensure they compile against debian's libraries correctly then just put them on PPA and be done with it, just be aware that PPA isn't secure in any sense. |
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| 16:50.03 | colonolGron | OSVG: ahh so PPAs work in debian generally! its just that i cant be sure that the packages of others work since they are made with ubuntu libs/packages? |
| 16:50.35 | OSVG | All the PPA is essentially is a repository much like AUR for Arch. |
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| 16:50.55 | colonolGron | great :) |
| 16:50.59 | colonolGron | than i will go for debian |
| 16:51.03 | OSVG | Most people uploading to it are using Ubuntu and compiling against ubuntu, so the .debs may not function correctly due to unmatched dependecies. |
| 16:51.04 | colonolGron | *then |
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| 16:51.11 | colonolGron | i see |
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| 16:51.45 | OSVG | If you know the .debs will have no dependecy errors then where you get the .deb from is irrelevant. You could put them on a folder on your install CD and cp them from the disc to drive once you've installed. |
| 16:51.53 | colonolGron | so back to my installation. i have an intel wifi card (i think..at least the driver under gentoo was iwlwifi) and netinst doesnt list my wifi device. is there another image that has more drivers on it maybe? |
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| 16:52.13 | OSVG | You're going to need the Debian 7.7 DVD image I think, not netinst. |
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| 16:52.27 | colonolGron | okay, i'll get that. thanks |
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| 17:08.34 | colonolGron | wow: https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop |
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| 17:42.06 | NTolerance | For a user running testing, is it possible to upgrade from kernel 3.16 to 3.17-3.18? I'm trying to do this to support MST for my Lenovo dock. |
| 17:42.33 | NTolerance | I may need the following kernel package but it's missing a dependency on linux-kbuild-3.18: https://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-headers-3.18.0-trunk-amd64 |
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| 17:42.43 | Inconvenience | :> |
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| 17:45.11 | babilen | NTolerance: 3.18 is in experimental |
| 17:45.43 | NTolerance | babilen, Indeed. I am using this apt command: apt-get -t experimental install kernelstuff |
| 17:45.52 | babilen | exactly |
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| 17:46.16 | NTolerance | so 3.18 is a no-go right now, and that's cool |
| 17:46.24 | babilen | Why is that? |
| 17:46.25 | NTolerance | i recall that 3.17 was in the repo at one point, but now it seems missing |
| 17:46.57 | babilen | Ah, it is waiting for linux-kbuild-3.18 to become available. |
| 17:47.11 | babilen | Just be patient, this shouldn't take long |
| 17:47.33 | NTolerance | no problem, i'll keep checking. and i suppose that 3.18 has replaced 3.17 permanently? |
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| 18:04.07 | zr0 | if i update one driver source file, how can i rebuild the kernel such that it just rebuilds that one driver and links it in? |
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| 18:04.56 | zr0 | right now i've been rebuilding via "AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic" |
| 18:05.29 | zr0 | but that doesn't seem to rebuild the update |
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| 18:11.34 | Octavian | gug |
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| 18:12.23 | Octavian | Q: Using Debian jessie I see gcc-4.9-doc depending on a package gcc-doc-base. However, it is not available? |
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| 18:14.57 | Inconvenience | y does linux give others read access |
| 18:14.59 | Inconvenience | by default |
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| 18:15.03 | Inconvenience | so anoying |
| 18:15.12 | Inconvenience | so unlinux |
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| 18:15.18 | Inconvenience | very windowsy |
| 18:15.22 | Inconvenience | :> |
| 18:15.22 | jhutchins | Inconvenience The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 18:15.37 | jhutchins | Inconvenience: It will explain how to set the default file permissions. |
| 18:15.58 | jhutchins | Inconvenience: This is configurable. |
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| 18:16.14 | Inconvenience | i kno im a sr admin |
| 18:16.16 | Inconvenience | lel |
| 18:16.22 | Inconvenience | Sr. |
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| 18:16.51 | adb | Octavian, is on contrib : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gcc-doc-base |
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| 18:17.03 | Inconvenience | actualy im granpa admin |
| 18:17.05 | Octavian | Inconvenience: this is not a "linux thing", this is due to your distro |
| 18:17.05 | Inconvenience | now |
| 18:17.21 | Inconvenience | orly |
| 18:17.28 | Inconvenience | wat linux distro has this off |
| 18:17.42 | Inconvenience | like the last 3 |
| 18:17.46 | Octavian | Inconvenience: in Debian probably due to the 'adduser' program. |
| 18:17.58 | Octavian | adb: thanks, yes I am currently missing contrib. |
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| 18:18.11 | Inconvenience | hmm |
| 18:18.28 | Inconvenience | ya i like adduser |
| 18:18.31 | Inconvenience | over useradd |
| 18:19.05 | Inconvenience | creates home dir |
| 18:19.15 | Inconvenience | and group |
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| 18:20.17 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Inconvenience about enter |
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| 18:27.29 | debster | where is youtube-dl |
| 18:27.49 | debster | ? I've followed these instructions and still noting: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 18:28.04 | debster | it doe snot work |
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| 18:28.31 | ChrisH | ,v youtube-dl |
| 18:28.32 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.08.05-1; sid: 2014.12.01-1 |
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| 18:29.09 | acz32 | weird. why is it in debian 6 and 8 but not 7? |
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| 18:29.51 | debster | what is this mumbo-jumbo: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" |
| 18:30.01 | debster | does not work |
| 18:30.26 | debster | E: The value 'squeeze-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 18:30.30 | acz32 | did you add squeeze repos to your sources.list? |
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| 18:30.37 | ChrisH | acz32: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=youtube-dl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all seems that way. |
| 18:31.02 | acz32 | i wouldn't even do it that way. i would just download the youtube-dl script and put it in your ~/bin |
| 18:31.14 | debster | acz32: it's not in the instructions for wheezy |
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| 18:31.24 | debster | where is it? |
| 18:31.36 | acz32 | use a search engine. it's easy |
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| 18:32.03 | acz32 | "youtube-dl download" |
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| 18:33.25 | debster | indeed much easier just to dl it straight |
| 18:33.33 | debster | than |
| 18:33.37 | debster | thanx |
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| 18:33.43 | acz32 | welcome |
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| 18:37.13 | Quantum` | What is the difference between libusb-dev-1:0.1.4-3 and libusb-dev-0.1.12-23? |
| 18:37.25 | Quantum` | It's telling me the latter is -older-. |
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| 18:42.00 | Octavian | Quantum: each package comes with a changelog. |
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| 18:48.07 | bOSKE | i just installed debian and i dont have sound |
| 18:48.10 | bOSKE | i get this error |
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| 18:48.57 | bOSKE | http://pastebin.com/ZHwFxjns |
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| 18:56.01 | MrFrood_ | !tell bOSKE about alsactl |
| 18:57.07 | MrFrood_ | bOSKE: if that don't work go through the alsa checklist |
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| 18:57.34 | MrFrood_ | !tell bOSKE about alsa checklist |
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| 19:02.24 | colonolGron | oh well, debian didnt detect my wireless nor my ethernet card -.- |
| 19:02.44 | Filystyn | got a dumb problem with flash installation |
| 19:02.54 | Filystyn | cant find the "browser plugins directory" |
| 19:02.56 | Filystyn | :) |
| 19:03.00 | OSVG | colonol: With the "Full" DVD1? |
| 19:03.02 | Filystyn | is it in etc? |
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| 19:07.33 | Junka | does debian testing receive security updates? |
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| 19:11.46 | arfod33 | does anyone know how to prevent the ca-certificates package update without displaying the certificate changes and thus forcing user interaction (q). |
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| 19:12.09 | arfod33 | *from displaying |
| 19:12.35 | theguy312 | Can I somehow show nautilus script menu when clicking on desktop? (no selected file) |
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| 19:13.07 | arfod33 | i'm not sure if this is debconf related or something else... |
| 19:13.35 | user6958476326 | how can i write in hebrew on debian (the tor version)? i havn't found the settings for that or maybe it was that when i was trying to enter preferences for lang it froze. so please let me know how to change from english to other language. it is a live disc |
| 19:13.48 | Filystyn | how to install stupid flashplayer on Debian? |
| 19:13.48 | jhutchins | arfod33: Pin the package. |
| 19:13.56 | jhutchins | !flash |
| 19:13.57 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 19:14.24 | Filystyn | so i should get gnash |
| 19:14.32 | arfod33 | jhutchins: looking into it now. thank you. |
| 19:14.44 | Filystyn | but i allready have it and still |
| 19:14.49 | jhutchins | Filystyn: Frankly /msg dpkg adobe flash. The free alternatives just don't work. |
| 19:15.12 | user6958476326 | if you respond me mention my name so it will notify me |
| 19:15.14 | Junka | jhutchins, rude :P |
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| 19:15.37 | colonolGron | okay i am installing from usb stick, but neither ethernet nor wifi get recongized. is there a way to install iwlwifi before the reboot? |
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| 19:15.48 | jhutchins | Junka: True though. |
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| 19:17.37 | Filystyn | ok so basicly |
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| 19:18.35 | Filystyn | all the problem with flash is |
| 19:18.46 | Filystyn | i do evrything that stupid flash guide says on their site and |
| 19:18.49 | Filystyn | it still doesnt work |
| 19:18.51 | Filystyn | demit |
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| 19:19.06 | Filystyn | meaby i am putting theyr stupid file in wrong directory |
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| 19:20.59 | jhutchins | Filystyn: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:21.57 | Filystyn | there is nan such thing but |
| 19:22.01 | Filystyn | i managed to find the folder |
| 19:22.05 | Filystyn | any way thank you for help;) |
| 19:22.38 | user6958476326 | why no one answring me? |
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| 19:23.24 | jhutchins | user6958476326: Because nobody currently available knows the answer to your question. |
| 19:23.46 | canci | I am having trouble with squeeze-lts: I get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated" for some packages in 'apt-get upgrade' and I don't know why |
| 19:23.54 | jhutchins | user6958476326: We're just fellow users, many of us waiting for answers to our own questions. |
| 19:24.06 | canci | debian-archive-keyring is already installed and I also ran apt-get update |
| 19:24.17 | jhutchins | user6958476326: Hebrew might not be available on a live system. |
| 19:24.20 | jhutchins | !localle |
| 19:24.24 | canci | any idea what I did wrong there? |
| 19:24.26 | jhutchins | !locale |
| 19:24.26 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 19:25.01 | user6958476326 | jhutchins, i'm just asking about changing/installing input languages |
| 19:25.07 | jhutchins | user6958476326: See above. |
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| 19:26.10 | canci | this is my apt-key list: https://np.tl/?0229cd22d9e6c43b#wIhQ0hDzaDw63tGB5i8QF89ygt2lnrxp+p5A1AgzFxs= |
| 19:26.24 | user6958476326 | let me try elsewhere |
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| 19:26.32 | bOSKE | MrFrood_, i did alsactl init and i get this |
| 19:26.32 | bOSKE | http://pastebin.com/PVmcFGv4 |
| 19:27.06 | bOSKE | !tell bOSKE about alsa checklist |
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| 19:28.37 | Junka | does debian testing receive security updates? |
| 19:29.14 | Walex | Junka: if you have to ask that question don't use it. |
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| 19:29.26 | bOSKE | in alsamixer i see hda nvidia and hd audio generic i dont see Realtek ALC887-VD |
| 19:29.49 | Walex | Junka: the answer is complex. If you don't know it then "accidentally" is the nearest thing. |
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| 19:30.21 | Walex | bOSKE: thanks for letting us know. |
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| 19:35.36 | debbio | This syntax seems to be not described in either mount or losetup man pages 'mount -o loop,offset=0x000f8200' , the '=' is not there and offset is required in binary or decimal , not hexadecimal. THis advice is fromhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1643334. Is it a good advice? |
| 19:36.33 | Walex | debbio: try it both ways and see. 'losetup' without arguments will tell you what the effects have been |
| 19:36.55 | debbio | :) |
| 19:37.16 | debbio | i'm not a thrillseeker, i wanna know more before i commit |
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| 19:38.02 | Walex | debbio: besides, what makes you think that hexdecimal would work? And how do you interpret "binary or decimal" in the 'man losetup' page given the context? |
| 19:38.18 | Walex | debbio: setting up a loop device does not change any data. |
| 19:38.34 | debbio | i interpret the man page literally, says binary and decimal then it's so |
| 19:38.37 | debbio | ok |
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| 19:39.15 | debbio | aren't man pages supposed to be like holy scriptures? |
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| 19:39.24 | Walex | debbio: "holey" :-) |
| 19:39.41 | debbio | full of holes? |
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| 19:40.27 | bOSKE | Walex, if u know what is prob help if u dont know dont answer |
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| 19:40.43 | Walex | debbio: anyhow in this case you may missed out that following "binary ... or decimal *suffixes*". |
| 19:41.24 | jhutchins | debbio: Some man pages are excellent. Most are written by humans. |
| 19:41.29 | Walex | bOSKE: have you asked a question or made some statements? |
| 19:41.33 | snima | what happen if port 2000 be open ? |
| 19:41.39 | debbio | Walex: yes, but still no hex |
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| 19:41.56 | Walex | debbio: ohhhhh maaaaaan :-) |
| 19:42.17 | debbio | ok thanx i'll muster some courage and experiment |
| 19:42.24 | jhutchins | debbio: There is also documentation in /user/share/doc/<package> which is sometimes useful, sometimes essential, and sometimes very scant. |
| 19:42.38 | Walex | debbio: what would be a hexadecimal power suffix? |
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| 19:42.39 | jhutchins | debbio: There might be something on the web as well. |
| 19:42.40 | debbio | ahh yes that ..i'll look there |
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| 19:43.49 | Walex | debbio: I am trying to push you to figure out something, because your talk of "hexadecimal [suffix]" sounds very strange. |
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| 19:44.19 | Walex | debbio: do you know the difference between the suffic "MiB" and "MB"? |
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| 19:44.28 | bOSKE | Walex, yes i did |
| 19:44.30 | bOSKE | http://pastebin.com/aM6hqcuz |
| 19:44.39 | debbio | i just follow the man page |
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| 19:46.42 | Junka | should i get the 64 bit or the 32/64 installer? |
| 19:47.52 | Reborn | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian via netinstall, but it doesn't see any build-in network card(wifi,lan). It only sees my external wifi on usb. But it requires firmware file : htc_9271.fw, I plugged in flash disc to usb with this file, even mounted to /mnt but installed says that any external devile not found. What can I do to fix it |
| 19:48.02 | Walex | bOSKE: that's still quite a bit of statements. What is the question? "how do I make my ALSA sound work given the above?" "Why can't I find controls labeled "ALC887-VD"? The better questions you ask on IRC the better replies, because all these are damn technicalities and IRC is a rather contrived medium |
| 19:48.11 | Reborn | installer* |
| 19:48.44 | bOSKE | my question is how can i setup sound realy simple |
| 19:48.48 | Walex | bOSKE: ideally you would also say how much familiarity you have with system configuration, so answers can be more or less detailed. |
| 19:48.51 | bOSKE | http://pastebin.com/ZHwFxjns |
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| 19:49.17 | bOSKE | im not new to linux |
| 19:49.32 | ompaul | remove the external wifi plugged in when you are doing an initial config |
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| 19:50.23 | Walex | bOSKE: but you seem to ber misunderstanding how ALSA works, and that is sort of expected because it is quite obscure. You are reporting things that don't seem to be errors. |
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| 19:50.54 | bOSKE | then what do u need |
| 19:50.57 | Walex | bOSKE: have you tried to actually play some sounds? Do you hear anything? If sound does not "work", what does that mean for you? |
| 19:50.58 | bOSKE | and i will tell u |
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| 19:51.21 | jhutchins | bOSKE: look through the output of dmesg to see if the realtek is recognized (also lspci -nn). |
| 19:51.28 | bOSKE | and stop whine ur atitude is quite bad |
| 19:51.49 | bOSKE | Walex, yes i tried to play some sound i dont hear nothing |
| 19:52.00 | Velus | hello how do i do a search on packages in apt-get i know with centos in yum you would do yum search {something} and it will list everything with {something} in it |
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| 19:52.30 | Walex | jhutchins: what ALSA recognizes is mixers, and sometimes the Intel HD mixer fronts a Realtek sound chip, and the latter fact is "invisible". |
| 19:53.02 | Walex | bOSKE: I have written a very boring ALSA troubleshooting series of steps here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubles try them |
| 19:53.10 | jhutchins | Velus: aptitude search <foo> for package name containing <foo>, search ~d<foo> (no space) for description containing <foo>. |
| 19:53.17 | jhutchins | !tell Velus about search |
| 19:53.25 | bOSKE | Walex, tnx i will try it |
| 19:53.33 | Walex | bOSKE: in particular you can start from "Check the sound drivers for your card are active" |
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| 19:54.15 | Velus | ty |
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| 19:54.55 | Walex | bOSKE: from your pastes it looks like you have two "sound cards" (two mixers), one of which is an Intel HD mixer with a Realtek backend. |
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| 19:56.04 | sIRwa2 | Hi, im about to install Debian to be my home server, but still thinkig between virtualizing or just a straight install. |
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| 19:56.27 | sIRwa2 | i dont want Esxi, is ther a good alternative? |
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| 19:57.24 | Walex | bOSKE: also things like 'alsactl init' and 'alsa-utils restart' don't actually initialize or restart ALSA, as ALSA is not a daemon, but a library. What they do is to initialize the mixer's values of volume. The errors you are getting are simply reports that some expected channels don't exist, which is fine, because many sound chips have *very* different channels. |
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| 19:58.28 | Walex | sIRwa2: my favourites are Xen and QEMU/KVM, and perhaps UML. But I don't like "virtual" stuff, it adds a layer of significant complexity in troubleshooting. |
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| 19:59.51 | sIRwa2 | but i think when i have servral machines side by side, its beter to maintain. i.a. if i f somethin up, i just have to fix 1 instance |
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| 20:00.33 | sIRwa2 | i am just an intermediate Linux usrer |
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| 20:01.29 | Reborn | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian via netinstall, but it doesn't see any build-in network card(wifi,lan). It only sees my external wifi on usb. But it requires firmware file : htc_9271.fw, I plugged in flash disc to usb with this file, even mounted to /mnt but installer says that any external devile not found. What can I do to fix it? |
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| 20:03.34 | plop6 | hi, happy new year, looking for a way to get gvfs working with systemd, wich service file to use to get it launch at start |
| 20:03.35 | Walex | Reborn: you could buy a cheap external USB network interface that is known to be supported |
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| 20:04.52 | Walex | Reborn: your question could be rephrased as "I am installing Debian on unsupported hardware or hardware that is supported given some special extra steps: how can I have a foolproof method to do it?" |
| 20:06.08 | Walex | Reborn: unless you are an experience system integrator the best answer is "get some extra hardware that is known to be supported". |
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| 20:06.32 | Walex | Reborn: if you have a USB flash drive why not install from it instead of the network? |
| 20:06.56 | Walex | sIRwa2: maybe or maybe not... |
| 20:07.03 | Reborn | Walex : I downloaded default iso from Debian page |
| 20:07.30 | Walex | Reborn: how big is it? There are several variants... |
| 20:07.31 | Reborn | Walex : Thought it would have drivers for any of 3 devices |
| 20:07.38 | Reborn | Walex : Around 500MB |
| 20:07.45 | Walex | Reborn: sometimes optimism works... |
| 20:08.16 | Walex | Reborn: the 500MB ISO should give you a working installed system by itself. |
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| 20:08.51 | Walex | Reborn: you can skip all the network setup steps and revisit the situation later for upgrades |
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| 20:09.00 | Reborn | Walex : yes, but none X.org server |
| 20:09.22 | Walex | Reborn: probably a backported kernel will have the driver for more recent chipsets. |
| 20:09.58 | Walex | Reborn: then you can download the next ISO or so and install from that. Or you can install from the DVD ISO, or even from the BluRay ISO. |
| 20:10.18 | Reborn | Walex : Debian cd1? |
| 20:10.24 | Reborn | Walex : or dvd iso |
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| 20:11.36 | Walex | Reborn: probably. Or the DVD ISO it is safer. Once you have a Debian command line installed and running you can do an 'apt-cdrom /dev/sr0' (or something) to get it recognized, and then just use 'apt-get' to install stuff from it. |
| 20:11.47 | Walex | Reborn: but there is a simpler shortcut perhaps. |
| 20:12.28 | Walex | Reborn: if you boot from your main disk, do you already get a full Debian (not Debian installer) login prompt? In other words, have you already done basic installation? |
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| 20:13.03 | Reborn | Walex: basic yes, but it is just command line |
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| 20:13.57 | Velus | i have just apt-get phpmyadmin and obvs php but how do i acess the phpmyadmin from the net? i have tried ip/phpmyadmi |
| 20:14.05 | Walex | Reborn: that's good, because woorking with a running Debian system is far easier than with the installer... |
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| 20:14.49 | Walex | Reborn: Do you have internet access other than from the system you have just installed? |
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| 20:15.12 | Reborn | Walex: yes on this computer |
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| 20:15.22 | Walex | Reborn: do you have Ethernet access and does that give you access to the Internet? |
| 20:15.31 | bOSKE | Walex, fixed it |
| 20:15.34 | bOSKE | added |
| 20:15.36 | bOSKE | options snd-hda-intel model=generic |
| 20:15.40 | Walex | bOSKE: ahhhh good |
| 20:15.45 | bOSKE | in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 20:16.06 | bOSKE | and deleted options snd-hda-intel model=auto |
| 20:16.07 | Walex | bOSKE: that is often necessary, there are *dozens* of variants of the Intel HD mixer |
| 20:16.08 | Reborn | Walex: On Debian no yet |
| 20:16.33 | Walex | Reborn: but is the Debian machine cabled up and ready to go if you had a driver for the Ethernet chip? |
| 20:16.38 | Velus | when i go to ip/phpmyadmin i get a 404 error |
| 20:16.49 | Reborn | Walex: yes, ethernet is plugged in all the time |
| 20:16.56 | Walex | Reborn: perfect.... |
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| 20:17.13 | Walex | Reborn: just to double check what does 'ip l s dev eth0' say? |
| 20:17.58 | Walex | Velus: have you *enabled* the PHPMyAdmin site? It may need to be enabled... |
| 20:18.05 | Walex | Velus: do something like 'ls lspci | grep Ether |
| 20:18.13 | Reborn | Walex: well, no found dev/eth0 |
| 20:18.18 | Reborn | not* |
| 20:18.19 | Walex | Velus: do something like 'ls /etc/apache2/sites-available/' |
| 20:18.26 | Walex | Reborn: just to be sure... |
| 20:18.31 | Walex | Reborn: now what does lspci | grep Ether |
| 20:18.49 | Walex | Reborn: that should tell you the type of your Ethernet chip |
| 20:19.19 | Velus | defualt it says |
| 20:19.43 | Reborn | Walex : Atheros Communications Inc Device 10a0 rev 10 |
| 20:20.03 | Velus | ok it didnt install lol |
| 20:20.11 | Walex | Velus: ahem :-) |
| 20:20.20 | Walex | Reborn: let's have a look |
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| 20:20.49 | Velus | i did ask it to install but it didnt lol |
| 20:21.57 | Walex | Reborn: the Atheros driver page is here: https://wiki.debian.org/alx |
| 20:22.02 | Velus | walex can i pm you please |
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| 20:22.36 | plop6 | i need help configure gvfs to be start at boot from systemd .. if somoene got a clue )) |
| 20:23.00 | Velus | when i now go to the phpmy admin i get the php come out as text i.e i see <?php ....... |
| 20:23.10 | Walex | Reborn: it lists the 10A0 device code as being a QCA8172 which is supported in the kernels in the 'testing' and 'wheezy-backports' archives, so you are lucky. |
| 20:23.34 | Walex | Velus: that means that you haven't enabled the PHP "handler". |
| 20:23.43 | Velus | how would i do that |
| 20:23.59 | Walex | plop6: better to ask in #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org or in #SystemD |
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| 20:24.19 | Walex | Velus: perhaps by following PHP installation instructions? Web search? |
| 20:24.23 | plop6 | Walex: ty |
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| 20:25.19 | Walex | Reborn: so you best option is to download a nice new kernel from 'wheezy-backports', put it on your USB flash device, and install it on your basic system. Then reboot, and there a driver for Ethernet, and then whatever. |
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| 20:26.50 | Walex | Reborn: the version I got for that is 'linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4' (either '-i586' or '-amd64'). |
| 20:27.02 | module000 | Walex: there is more than one way, but i would just `aptitude download <foo>`, put the files on your usb media, then `dpkg -i <foo>` them in your target machine |
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| 20:27.38 | Reborn | Walex: yes I use amd64, but will be system stable after install new kernel not via aptitude? |
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| 20:29.56 | Walex | Reborn: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest/linux-image-amd64_3.16+63~bpo70+1_amd64.deb |
| 20:30.04 | Walex | Reborn: why not? |
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| 20:31.02 | Walex | Reborn: that links may be a bit too experimental... wait a sec |
| 20:31.12 | acz32 | has anyone else been getting warnings about unsecure adobe flash plugin in iceweasel/firefox lately? |
| 20:31.27 | Reborn | Walex: yeah I will |
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| 20:33.38 | Walex | Reborn: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb is more canonical |
| 20:33.52 | Walex | acz32: you probably! |
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| 20:34.21 | DammitJim | what channel do you guys suggest I go to for asking questions about SSL certificates? |
| 20:34.33 | Walex | acz32: do a web search about the "pepper flash plugin firefox" and why it exists |
| 20:34.38 | acz32 | "anyone else" |
| 20:34.50 | acz32 | thanks, i will |
| 20:34.52 | Walex | acz32: you are "anyone else" to me |
| 20:35.19 | Walex | DammitJim: ##networking perhaps |
| 20:35.24 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 20:35.41 | Walex | DammitJim: ooops, no probably better ##web or #httpd |
| 20:35.46 | acz32 | i'm curious why ububtu had a adobe flash plugin update recently which seems to resolve this for ubuntu users but haven't seen one come out for debian |
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| 20:36.20 | Walex | acz32: the reason the pepper flash plugin exists is because... |
| 20:36.47 | autochthon_ | I am trying to learn to use heredocs in the shell. I want to check a file against a hash like this: |
| 20:36.50 | autochthon_ | sha256sum -c bitcoin-0.9.3-linux.tar.gz << EOF c425783b6cbab9b801ad6a1dcc9235828b98e5dee6675112741f8b210e4f65cd bitcoin-0.9.3-linux.tar.gz EOF |
| 20:36.52 | acz32 | i thought it only existed in chrome |
| 20:37.07 | Walex | acz32: but why? |
| 20:37.17 | acz32 | becuase adobe isn't develping flash for linux anymore |
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| 20:37.31 | autochthon_ | but get 'sha256sum: bitcoin-0.9.3-linux.tar.gz: no properly formatted SHA256 checksum lines' |
| 20:37.53 | Walex | acz32: or perhaps not licensing it... and some commercial company can always do a deal with Adobe. |
| 20:38.35 | Walex | autochthon_: ##BASH might be a better place. BTW you are not using it right. |
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| 20:38.57 | Reborn | Walex : ok there is a conflict with initramfs-tools. |
| 20:38.59 | ctmjr | they still have security updates for their flash player in linux "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" for hoe long i do not know |
| 20:39.03 | Walex | autochthon_: also why use a heredoc. |
| 20:39.22 | Walex | Reborn: ah that's not supposed to happen with a backport kernel. |
| 20:39.27 | Reborn | Walex : << 0.110, installed 0.109.1 |
| 20:39.27 | autochthon_ | you are right. |
| 20:39.45 | autochthon_ | it seems that sha256sum does want a file. |
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| 20:40.29 | autochthon_ | but I only want to give it a string. |
| 20:40.33 | acz32 | Walex: what i'm reading implies i need to use chromium or chrome to use pepperflash. it won't work with firefox |
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| 20:41.02 | Walex | autochthon_: oh man, then let's say you have 2 problems. |
| 20:42.27 | autochthon_ | three if you count I'm on the wrong channel :) |
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| 20:42.53 | jhutchins | autochthon_: then FILE needs to be - |
| 20:43.12 | jhutchins | autochthon_: Have you read the sha256sum manpage? |
| 20:43.16 | Walex | autochthon_: try: echo 'c425783b6cbab9b801ad6a1dcc9235828b98e5dee6675112741f8b210e4f65cd bitcoin-0.9.3-linux.tar.gz' | echo sha256sum -c |
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| 20:43.43 | Walex | Reborn: wait a sec... |
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| 20:44.54 | Walex | autochthon_: try: echo 'c425783b6cbab9b801ad6a1dcc9235828b98e5dee6675112741f8b210e4f65cd bitcoin-0.9.3-linux.tar.gz' | sha256sum -c |
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| 20:47.13 | Walex | Reborn: install this one first then: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/pool/main/i/initramfs-tools/initramfs-tools_0.115~bpo70+1_all.deb |
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| 20:47.39 | Reborn | Walex : ok |
| 20:47.43 | Walex | Reborn: this is all work needed because you don't want to buy a supported device... |
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| 20:47.59 | ROG3R | why does my wifi card stops and starts again, at random times? |
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| 20:48.07 | Reborn | Walex : 3 network devices are enought for 1 laptop |
| 20:48.14 | Walex | Reborn: and because hw vendors don't give you a CDROM with Debian 7 drivers on them. |
| 20:48.25 | Walex | Reborn: then you bought the wrong laptop... |
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| 20:49.04 | Walex | ROG3R: likely because of radio problems, but then a lot of WiFi drivers and firmware are buggy |
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| 20:50.37 | Walex | ROG3R: as usual, with Linux it is best to check that it is well supported and know to work reliably before buying a piece of hardware |
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| 20:55.26 | Reborn | Walex: Thanks now it works, should I change something to my repo list before update and install gnome3? |
| 20:55.37 | autochthon_ | Walex, thanks, the echo approach was what I wanted. |
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| 21:05.07 | Walex | Reborn: you don't need to, but adding the 'wheezy-backports' repo will mean you will get updates for your new kernel |
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| 21:32.15 | coste | ROG3R: what are you using for network management? |
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| 21:35.30 | Reborn | Walex: Ok im off here, Thanks again and bye! |
| 21:35.54 | sIRwa2 | does one still need to allign ssdâs? |
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| 22:11.13 | ROG3R | coste: network-manager |
| 22:11.36 | atrapado | Is it safe to use chromium in stable? since it lags 2 versions and many security patches... Why? What can I do to update it? |
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| 22:12.06 | telmich | good evening |
| 22:12.37 | telmich | we get BADSIG 8B48AD6 .. from various servers using various mirrors from time to time |
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| 22:12.54 | telmich | ...while using apt-get update -qq in cron |
| 22:12.59 | dondelelcaro | atrapado: it's had at least one security update |
| 22:13.13 | telmich | is there a better way to update the package lists automatically without running into this error? |
| 22:13.43 | Spec | telmich: you get that error when a mirror is updating |
| 22:13.46 | dondelelcaro | telmich: use better mirrors, normally. |
| 22:13.57 | Spec | telmich: i guess if you synchronized your own mirror and only ran updates when your mirror was not updating you would always avoid it? |
| 22:14.09 | telmich | dondelelcaro: we have that on http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/Release and http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release |
| 22:14.11 | dondelelcaro | telmich: the mirrors shouldn't have that issue, because they really should be updating the mirror using the scripts which won't cause that problem. |
| 22:14.12 | coste | ROG3R: what driver are you running for your wifi card? |
| 22:14.15 | atrapado | dondelelcaro, in stable is version 37 vs. 39 in testing... before it used to be updated |
| 22:14.28 | dondelelcaro | atrapado: it's 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1 |
| 22:14.43 | atrapado | i see |
| 22:14.47 | telmich | Spec: I see - that could be a problem solver mid term |
| 22:15.01 | Spec | or choose a more reliable direct mirror? |
| 22:15.08 | Spec | those mirrors you're using are pools afaik |
| 22:15.16 | dondelelcaro | atrapado: and AFAICT, it doesn't have any open CVEs that Debian is tracking |
| 22:15.39 | dondelelcaro | atrapado: https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3039 is the most recent DSA for it, though. |
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| 22:16.14 | atrapado | ok dondelelcaro. so it may be safe to use it anyway...? |
| 22:16.17 | dondelelcaro | oh, it's chromium-browser... https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium-browser |
| 22:16.45 | dondelelcaro | atrapado: so it looks like there are still open CVEs which need to be fixed in it |
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| 22:18.42 | atrapado | ok dondelelcaro |
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| 22:21.03 | atrapado | so you would say not to use it? |
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| 22:22.22 | atrapado | I found this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763278 and this: http://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/2nt69q/chromium_browser_v37_behind_security_patches_in/ about chromium issue in debian stable |
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| 22:22.28 | Amr_ | hi |
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| 22:23.15 | Amr_ | minitube no video |
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| 22:25.00 | Amr_ | Video does not appear and hear the sound only |
| 22:25.01 | Amr_ | Is there a solution to such a problem? |
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| 22:37.00 | Amr_ | minitube |
| 22:37.00 | Amr_ | Video does not appear and hear the sound only |
| 22:37.00 | Amr_ | Is there a solution to such a problem? |
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| 22:40.36 | l1zard | yes there he is |
| 22:40.46 | l1zard | welcom yoshicamitsu |
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| 22:46.04 | Yoshikamitsu | Hello l1zard!! |
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| 22:46.46 | Amr_ | minitube |
| 22:46.46 | Amr_ | Video does not appear and hear the sound only |
| 22:46.46 | Amr_ | Is there a solution to such a problem? |
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| 22:47.44 | l1zard | @Amr_: i think we need more details to answer this question |
| 22:48.00 | l1zard | what debian version are you using, what browser etc. |
| 22:48.30 | Amr_ | sid |
| 22:48.36 | Amr_ | unstable |
| 22:50.35 | Yoshikamitsu | is there an error message? |
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| 22:51.53 | Amr_ | There is no error message |
| 22:51.53 | Amr_ | But the video does not see |
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| 22:52.32 | bazhang | ,v mplayer |
| 22:52.33 | judd | Package: mplayer on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20141221+svn37342-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20141221+svn37342-dmo1 |
| 22:52.53 | l1zard | do you have flash from debian multimedia repository |
| 22:52.56 | ROG3R | coste: 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 22:52.57 | bazhang | Amr_, dl it and try playing it with mplayer |
| 22:53.02 | ROG3R | coste: 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 22:53.03 | l1zard | yeah mplayer would also work |
| 22:53.06 | ROG3R | 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 22:53.19 | l1zard | try vlc instead |
| 22:53.22 | ROG3R | coste: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 22:53.27 | bazhang | both work |
| 22:53.29 | ROG3R | coste: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 22:53.43 | ROG3R | coste: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 22:53.58 | bazhang | ROG3R, once is enough |
| 22:54.02 | Spec | so do you like, have a intel corp pro wireless 4965 ag or agn network card or something? |
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| 22:55.32 | coste | I was experiencing an issue with my intel hardware and NM not getting along, switched to wicd and resolved the issue. NM for some reason doesn't cooperate with the intel drivers very well, ime. |
| 22:55.40 | coste | ROG3R: ^ |
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| 22:56.05 | bazhang | wouldnt those be kernel leve l at this point |
| 22:56.10 | yates | how does debian maintain time synchronization? |
| 22:56.19 | jelly | yates: usually, ntp |
| 22:56.20 | l1zard | ntp |
| 22:56.23 | ROG3R | coste: is wicd an alternative for network-manager? |
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| 22:56.47 | bazhang | for wifi yes ROG3R |
| 22:57.09 | yates | is that via a service? |
| 22:57.16 | yates | systemctl status ntp.service? |
| 22:57.23 | lanodan | What is the partition systeme for swap ? (system/logical) |
| 22:57.26 | coste | ROG3R: yes, it is. more basic, but much more reliable since I've switched over. |
| 22:57.27 | lanodan | -e |
| 22:58.02 | ROG3R | so I should install wicd, ok but do I need to remove NM? |
| 22:58.08 | jelly | yates: yes, but current debian release does not use systemd yet, so either the "service" or "invoke-rc.d" command |
| 22:58.09 | yates | there is no ntp service on my system.. |
| 22:58.09 | coste | yes, every component. |
| 22:58.19 | jelly | yates: install it. |
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| 22:58.31 | jelly | yates: which debian release are you using? |
| 22:58.42 | coste | ROG3R: read the wiki on installing it. You cannot leave anything of NM around, or there will be complications with wicd. |
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| 22:58.59 | yates | jelly: i'm trying to see why an existing debian system is maintaining an accurate clock (to within a second over a few weeks) - i don't understand it. |
| 22:59.16 | ROG3R | coste: ok thank you |
| 22:59.27 | yates | http://paste.debian.net/139490/ |
| 22:59.45 | jelly | yates: if ntp package is installed, that is why |
| 23:00.00 | jelly | yates: also, no systemd in wheezy! |
| 23:00.17 | jelly | (at least, not by default, and not a usable one) |
| 23:00.33 | yates | well, this is a special build for the beagle bone black - maybe they put it in? (TI) |
| 23:00.43 | yates | i'm here to tell you, it's there... |
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| 23:00.52 | l1zard | i used sysstemd since wheezy and it was ok |
| 23:00.57 | jelly | yates: ask whoever make that "special build", then |
| 23:01.08 | l1zard | some things did not perfectly work though but it worked out ok |
| 23:01.31 | yates | that i don't care about |
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| 23:02.09 | jelly | yates: well, we can't know about any random image made from debian |
| 23:02.35 | jelly | so, we do not know what your vendor put in there apart from the base system and what modifications they made |
| 23:02.54 | yates | and you couldn't find out from poking around? |
| 23:03.10 | yates | actually i think *I* did it, but i forgot what i did... |
| 23:03.11 | jaggzt | okay, this is lame.. I can't get my Monitor and TV (hdmi) to output at the same time at even semi high resolutions. right now I'm in "clone" mode (same display on both screens) and it won't go above 1280x1024. does something control that? is it a video card limitation? it's a new nvidia 970 |
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| 23:03.30 | yates | it's not a cron job |
| 23:03.36 | yates | running, e.g., ntpdate |
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| 23:04.42 | jelly | yates: is "ntp" package installed? |
| 23:05.05 | jelly | yates: or "openntpd" or "chrony"? |
| 23:05.38 | Amr_ | http://paste.debian.net/139489/ |
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| 23:06.19 | yates | jelly: should i use "dpkg -l ntp" ? |
| 23:06.23 | yates | if so, it's not installed |
| 23:06.44 | jelly | yes, that's a simple way to check |
| 23:07.11 | yates | none of those are installed. |
| 23:07.17 | ctmjr | jaggzt: are you using the nvidia driver or just default driver |
| 23:07.26 | yates | thanks for the ideas, though. |
| 23:07.35 | jelly | yates: then it's hard to say. |
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| 23:08.24 | jelly | yates: if you didn't install using the debian-installer, it's best to ask the vendor who made your installation image |
| 23:08.39 | jelly | only they know for sure what they did |
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| 23:09.49 | yates | i think what is happening is that the BBB has a very accurate crystal - about +/- 30 ppm - and the time has just remained fairly accurate since the last time i did an ntpdate |
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| 23:10.35 | Amr_ | ok |
| 23:10.35 | Amr_ | i need install codecs in debian sid? |
| 23:11.34 | ctmjr | Amr_: you should ask questions about sid in debian-next on the oftc network |
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| 23:12.06 | jaggzt | ctmjr, nvidia's .run .. had to install it by hand |
| 23:12.22 | jaggzt | since debians didn't support the 970.. it's been a few weeks so maybe they do now |
| 23:12.32 | jaggzt | needed to, by hand, install their .RUN cuda toolkit too |
| 23:12.34 | jaggzt | grr |
| 23:13.42 | mtn | Amr_: codecs for what? |
| 23:13.49 | ctmjr | jaggzt: you should have a package called nvidia-settings that you can use to set up your monitors |
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| 23:14.30 | Amr_ | mtn for minitube |
| 23:14.30 | Amr_ | minitube |
| 23:14.30 | Amr_ | Video does not appear and hear the sound only |
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| 23:15.10 | mtn | Amr_: no, I don't think that is caused by missing codecs, but am not positive. you really should go to #debian-next on oftc.net for further help. |
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| 23:16.52 | Amr_ | ok ths |
| 23:17.53 | Amr_ | how join it? |
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| 23:18.07 | Amr_ | oftc.net? |
| 23:18.28 | mtn | Amr_: irc.oftc.net is the address of the server. |
| 23:19.15 | Amr_ | ok |
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| 23:25.30 | acz32 | anyone have pepper flash working with iceweasel/firefox? |
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| 23:26.41 | acz32 | ubuntu got a flashplugin update recently but debian didn't, and now there's always a warning against letting adobe flash run in iceweasel |
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| 23:27.09 | mtn | acz32: as far as I know, pepperflash only works with chromium |
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| 23:28.06 | jelly-home | guess they use https://github.com/i-rinat/freshplayerplugin.git |
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| 23:28.18 | acz32 | so firefox/debian is stuck with vulnerable flash? |
| 23:28.26 | acz32 | i mean iceweasel, not debian |
| 23:29.05 | jelly-home | acz32: try to run update-flashplugin-nonfree --status, see if there's a newer version available |
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| 23:33.56 | acz32 | jelly-home: thanks, it says i have 11.2.202.411 and upstream has 11.2.202.425 |
| 23:33.56 | acz32 | but it doesn't appear i can apt-get upgrade to that version |
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| 23:34.21 | jelly-home | acz32: now instead of --status do --install |
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| 23:34.51 | jelly-home | you can't apt-get upgrade because the download script did not change in any way |
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| 23:34.59 | acz32 | jelly-home: thanks for the help |
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| 23:35.20 | acz32 | so this must be updated manually |
| 23:35.21 | dc_ | Hi all. Happy new year. |
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| 23:35.27 | jelly-home | unfortunately yes |
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| 23:36.13 | dc_ | I downloaded debian-7.7.0-ia64-kde-CD-1 but i can not put it on usb |
| 23:36.16 | dc_ | how to do that ? |
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| 23:36.47 | jelly-home | dc_: ia64 is the wrong image. You want the amd64 image. Yes, even for an intel cpu. |
| 23:36.47 | mtn | dc_: bet you downloaded the wrong iso. you probably want amd64 |
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| 23:37.11 | mtn | dc_: and: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 23:38.03 | dc_ | i tried dd=debian.... of=/dev/sdb but it does not boot |
| 23:38.50 | mtn | dc_: because you have the wrong iso, just like we told you. it won't boot, becuase it is not for your hardware. |
| 23:39.10 | dc_ | oh. |
| 23:39.17 | dc_ | thank you for the info |
| 23:39.37 | dc_ | i have i3 cpu. what is the best iso to use for it ? |
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| 23:40.46 | jelly-home | already answered that |
| 23:41.07 | acz32 | they told you. amd64 |
| 23:42.02 | dc_ | tnx. i will try now |
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