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| 00:09.05 | yates | where is the typical place kernel modules are installed at boot? |
| 00:09.23 | yates | what script, that is, and where is it located? |
| 00:09.28 | Brigo | yates, in initram |
| 00:09.37 | Brigo | a file in /boot |
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| 00:12.22 | yates | Brigo: ok, thanks. |
| 00:12.33 | Brigo | yates, np :) |
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| 00:14.25 | yates | Brigo: i don't see an initram file (or directory) there. is this true for uboot as well? |
| 00:14.53 | Brigo | yates, not sure what uboot is ... |
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| 00:25.29 | filenox | who can tell me why |
| 00:25.34 | filenox | root@pc:/etc# echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 00:25.34 | filenox | root@pc:/etc# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
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| 00:42.49 | robinsz | oh wow, wheezy is released, I guess this is the version for Windows 8.2 right? |
| 00:43.47 | Enissay | Hi guyz, how can I install c++11 correctly please ? |
| 00:46.33 | ArtVandalae | Enissay, C++11 is a standard, not a concrete thing. Install a compiler with C++11 support. Which Debian version are you on? |
| 00:46.44 | Enissay | 7 |
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| 00:50.26 | Enissay | ArtVandalae, should this work http://askubuntu.com/questions/428198/getting-installing-gcc-g-4-9-on-ubuntu |
| 00:50.45 | Enissay | ? |
| 00:50.45 | ArtVandalae | Ubuntu is not Debian |
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| 00:51.14 | ArtVandalae | dpkg, tell Enissay about ubuntu |
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| 00:51.38 | hexedone | hi again |
| 00:51.42 | hexedone | hi again, could someone please answer my question about recovering a LUKS partition, here are a few lines of code that give error: http://superuser.com/questions/861574/luks-partition-recovery |
| 00:51.44 | ArtVandalae | Enissay, see: http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support -- to see compiler support for C++11 |
| 00:52.53 | ArtVandalae | Enissay, unfortunately Wheezy (Debian 7) has GCC 4.7, and LLVM/Clang 3.0. Which means it does not support all C++11 features. |
| 00:53.02 | hexedone | please msg me |
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| 00:55.35 | Enissay | ArtVandalae, not a problem |
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| 00:56.14 | Enissay | I'm just looking for a simple way to install a compiler |
| 00:56.58 | ArtVandalae | Enissay, if you need this for a non-critical machine. I recommend checking out Debian Jessie. It'll be the next Debian stable release, and **should** be out in the next few months. It's already shaping up to be a great release. It'll have the required compiler support for C++11 |
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| 01:02.33 | viccuad | guys, is there a way to have apt install to home? thanks in advance |
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| 01:22.39 | ArtVandalae | viccuad, no. |
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| 01:33.20 | korneliusz | Ok. Anybody knows how to restore tty to initial state? |
| 01:33.31 | Tenkawa | There's still no native armhf port of "debian" for raspberry pi right? (only raspbian/etc) |
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| 01:37.52 | ArtVandalae | korneliusz, maybe 'reset'. see "man reset" |
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| 01:38.34 | viccuad | Tenkawa: isn't the raspi based in a different arm architecture than normal debian arm packages? |
| 01:38.42 | Tenkawa | viccuad: yeah |
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| 01:38.59 | Tenkawa | just wanted to see if anything had changed |
| 01:39.19 | Tenkawa | oh well..guess I'll keep using rasbian on those |
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| 01:41.41 | viccuad | Tenkawa: seems that debian armhf should work, but it does not have hardware floating point capabilites http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianFAQ#What_is_Raspbian.3F |
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| 01:42.19 | Tenkawa | yeah |
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| 01:52.46 | aypea[1] | hi. with the bonding driver, does max_bonds specify the maximum number of bonds that can be created or the number that get autocreated? |
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| 02:09.56 | DanC | I bought a new disk, and I'd like to install some little linux on it. But I'm stubborn/perverse: I don't want to burn a CD, and I can't get my motherboard to boot from USB stick. |
| 02:10.16 | DanC | I read about putting an .iso image on the disk... I almost got it to work. |
| 02:10.36 | DanC | I got grub started and pointed at the ISO, and the kernel started to boot, but it froze. |
| 02:11.33 | DanC | i.e. this approach http://www.howtogeek.com/196933/how-to-boot-linux-iso-images-directly-from-your-hard-drive/ |
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| 02:12.53 | dvs | DanC: All you needed was dd. |
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| 02:13.09 | DanC | hmm |
| 02:13.21 | DanC | dd to the device? or to a partition? |
| 02:13.31 | dvs | to the device |
| 02:14.04 | DanC | from an .iso image? |
| 02:14.31 | dvs | from a Debian .iso image |
| 02:14.36 | DanC | do .iso images start with a MBR? |
| 02:14.52 | dvs | A Debian one does |
| 02:14.55 | DanC | I have debian-7.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 02:15.07 | dvs | that'll work |
| 02:15.34 | DanC | dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb |
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| 02:15.37 | DanC | just like that? |
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| 02:16.12 | dvs | yes |
| 02:17.18 | DanC | gives it a whirl... |
| 02:20.11 | DanC | I'm looking at the results with gparted... gparted sees GPT signatures but "it does not have a fake msdos partition table, as it should...". hmm... |
| 02:21.14 | DanC | `fdisk -l` is happy enough |
| 02:21.45 | DanC | reboots... |
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| 02:22.36 | dvs | for all the fish? |
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| 02:26.43 | novasdream | Hello.. I need help to put a CentOS image in a usb stick anyone can help ? |
| 02:27.01 | dvs | novasdream: not in #debian they can't |
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| 02:28.10 | novasdream | have a second opnion ? |
| 02:28.13 | sydney | novasdream: /join #centos |
| 02:28.21 | dvs | there you go |
| 02:28.28 | novasdream | im in centos :\ |
| 02:28.51 | sydney | novasdream: Ok. Can you use dd with centos? |
| 02:28.56 | k-man | i'm testing out jessie and i got a problem with update-initramfs during the install |
| 02:29.03 | sydney | novasdream: Or unetbootin? |
| 02:29.12 | k-man | is there some way I can run it manually from the shell of the installer? |
| 02:30.21 | dvs | k-man: One of the other terminals should be a shell (e.g. Alt-F2, Alt-F3, etc.) |
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| 02:31.15 | k-man | dvs, yeah - well i'm using the ssh installer thing, but i got to a shell through that |
| 02:31.35 | dvs | oh, never used that before. sorry. |
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| 02:31.52 | sydney | Me neither. |
| 02:32.01 | hdurr | k-man: NB you might wanna look at dracut and its options if you haven't done already, update-initramfs/update-inird et al likely run that nowadays |
| 02:32.04 | k-man | its the same |
| 02:32.27 | novasdream | sydney, No unetbootin dont work with me.. but i can do test again in few minutes ( in checking sha256sum in my usb stick ) |
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| 02:33.17 | novasdream | sydney, In not using centos to run dd i dont have a CentOS working here. |
| 02:33.37 | sydney | novasdream: Your running debian currently? |
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| 02:36.02 | DanC | thanks, dvs, that was cool! but... |
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| 02:37.40 | DanC | My actual challenge is: I bought a new 1TB disk, but my power supply has just 2 SATA power plugs: one for my ssd, and one for my (soon-to-be-old) 640GB disk. I took the 640GB disk out and put the 1TB disk in... |
| 02:38.02 | dvs | ok.... |
| 02:38.07 | k-man | so even if i switch to a virtual console, there is no update-initramfs program to call afaict |
| 02:38.39 | DanC | now I want to (1) set up the 1TB disk as the OS (2) take the SSD out and put the 640GB disk in (3) copy the LVM stuff from the 640GB to the 1TB, (4) retire the 640GB disk and put the SSD back in. |
| 02:39.05 | DanC | (and resume using the SSD as the OS) |
| 02:39.39 | DanC | so I was able to boot from the 1TB disk using that dd technique, but then when I go to partition it, I'm stuck... |
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| 02:40.44 | DanC | I got some error about "can't [do something] exclusive [with] /dev/sdb5; mounted filesystem?" |
| 02:40.48 | dvs | DanC: You can't partition the same drive you booted from. You need a separate USB drive if you want to do that. |
| 02:41.03 | DanC | can't partition what I booted from... figured... |
| 02:41.15 | DanC | how does the USB drive help? |
| 02:41.39 | sydney | Your not sitting on the drive your trying to edit when you boot from flash. |
| 02:42.07 | DanC | see point earlier about not being able to boot from USB key. flargin gigabyte motherboard. |
| 02:42.18 | dvs | DanC: If you get a Debian live system and put that on a USB flash drive and boot from that, you can repartition the drive from that |
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| 02:42.43 | sydney | DanC: Can you boot from a cd? |
| 02:43.03 | DanC | yeah, but I'm in a strange mood where I can't be bothered to burn a CD |
| 02:43.10 | novasdream | hm.. my sha256sum is not ok |
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| 02:44.04 | DanC | not being able to boot from USB key is driving me batty. I can almost get it to work, but then the motherboard stops listening to the USB keyboard with which the F12 key would bring up the boot menu. |
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| 02:44.59 | DanC | Gigabyte GA-78MT-USB3 motherboard. purchased April 2013. I can't believe the thing won't boot from USB key, but... I can't get it to. |
| 02:45.30 | dvs | DanC: You can't hit F12? |
| 02:45.48 | DanC | I can hit F12 as long as there's no USB key inserted! |
| 02:45.50 | dvs | or Delete? |
| 02:46.02 | DanC | but when I boot with a USB key, the USB keyboard stops working! |
| 02:46.03 | dvs | DanC: Then change the boot order. |
| 02:46.18 | DanC | tried changing the boot order. no joy. |
| 02:46.23 | jeezy | can anyone recommend a bluetooth usb adapter for debian/wheezy? |
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| 02:46.33 | jeezy | i see this ASUS and a PANDA brand |
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| 02:47.04 | sydney | jeezy: I dont have a clue. ;) |
| 02:47.10 | jeezy | ah :) |
| 02:47.21 | sydney | Ive never used bluetooth. |
| 02:47.23 | DanC | my keyboard goes through a USB hub... I suppose I could try cutting that out, but it's hard to believe that would make a difference |
| 02:47.29 | sydney | But panda sounds familiar. |
| 02:47.42 | jeezy | supposedly works fine with linux |
| 02:47.44 | dvs | DanC: Oh I can see that making a difference. |
| 02:47.47 | jeezy | probably going to oder that one |
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| 02:47.56 | jeezy | order* |
| 02:48.14 | jeezy | sydney: im using an old (powermac G5) keyboard now; but i want to use my bluetooth aluminum |
| 02:48.15 | DanC | jeezy, all (both) the bluetooth adapters I've tried Just Worked. they were pretty cheapy no-name things. |
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| 02:48.26 | jeezy | DanC: ah nice |
| 02:48.27 | sydney | jeezy: Oh, now i remember. yes, im pretty sure that everythign they make is linux compatable. |
| 02:48.50 | sydney | panda* |
| 02:48.53 | DanC | jeezy: disclaimer: this was with Ubuntu, not debian |
| 02:48.59 | jeezy | same diff |
| 02:49.05 | sydney | whatever panda makes* :) |
| 02:49.08 | DanC | one would think |
| 02:49.15 | jeezy | i've noticed most things labeled for MacOSX will work with FreeBSD |
| 02:49.28 | jeezy | but i dont have that adapter anymore |
| 02:49.31 | sydney | jeezy: you run debian jessie? :) |
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| 02:49.52 | jeezy | sydney: debian wheezy but ive downloaded and compiled a custom kernel |
| 02:49.54 | DanC | resumes quest to boot from USB key... |
| 02:49.59 | jeezy | from kernel.org |
| 02:50.04 | jeezy | 3.18.1 |
| 02:50.06 | sydney | jeezy: Cool :) |
| 02:50.13 | jeezy | :) |
| 02:50.26 | sydney | :) |
| 02:50.34 | sydney | Im running jessie. |
| 02:50.37 | jeezy | nice |
| 02:50.50 | DanC | worked with somebody on compiling a kernel a couple weeks ago... hard to believe it's just as much of a PITA as it was 10 or 15 years ago. |
| 02:50.52 | sydney | It seems quite stable so far. |
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| 02:51.03 | jeezy | every time i tried to a jessie netinstall the system would reboot; click and never boot |
| 02:51.06 | jeezy | works fine with wheezy |
| 02:51.15 | jeezy | dunno what the deal with all of that is lol |
| 02:51.34 | sydney | I did the live install. had to install graphics drivers though. |
| 02:51.43 | hdurr | DanC: try plugging to a different port - some usb devices draw power over spec. it might push a cheapo hub/internal hub over the edge |
| 02:51.48 | jeezy | sydney: link to this live install ? |
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| 02:51.59 | sydney | i prefer to have a GUI :) |
| 02:52.01 | jeezy | sydney: i have a radeon 5770HD here; just using non-free |
| 02:52.08 | DanC | yeah... time to play USB port bingo... |
| 02:52.17 | DanC | wish me luck... |
| 02:52.24 | jeezy | sydney: i didnt see a live-kde iso for jessie just for wheezy |
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| 02:52.33 | hdurr | fingers crossed, amputating a rabbit, etc |
| 02:52.43 | sydney | jeezy: Give me a couple mins. |
| 02:52.51 | jeezy | sydney: ah ok thank you |
| 02:52.58 | sydney | My internet is not co-operating :P |
| 02:53.05 | jeezy | lol i know the feeling |
| 02:53.54 | jeezy | sydney: i was looking here and didnt see jessie http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 02:53.57 | jeezy | brb |
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| 02:54.34 | sydney | jeezy: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:55.31 | sydney | jeezy: Right after it says "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the Jessie Beta 2 release of the installer, after checking its errata. The following images are available for Jessie Beta 2:" are the correct ISOs. |
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| 02:56.33 | sydney | So, i have a compatibility question. Im looking for a video capture device that has been tested and tried with linux. |
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| 02:56.56 | sydney | Do any of you guys have any good, tested recomendations? |
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| 02:57.45 | DanC | progress... cutting the USB hub out makes the keyboard work... |
| 02:58.02 | sydney | DanC: Cutting? |
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| 02:58.16 | DanC | i.e. connecting the keyboard directly to the machine |
| 02:58.22 | hdurr | sydney: what do you want to capture? TV? an analogue input? a digital one? |
| 02:58.25 | DanC | not via a hub |
| 02:58.33 | DanC | but I get BOOT ERROR when I use this systemrescuecd on USB key... |
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| 02:58.47 | korneliusz | ArtVandalae: thank you, worked as a charm. |
| 02:58.57 | DanC | to put debian-7.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso on there, is it just dd again? |
| 02:59.05 | DanC | $ sudo dd of=/dev/sdc if=debian-7.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:59.10 | DanC | where sdc is my flash drive? |
| 02:59.15 | sydney | hdurr: Analogue input. From a VHS player. |
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| 02:59.44 | sydney | um, its if then of i thought? |
| 02:59.53 | sydney | But that shouldnt matter. |
| 03:00.05 | sydney | DanC: yes. |
| 03:00.10 | DanC | cool. |
| 03:00.11 | ArtVandalae | DanC, that will copy Debian 7.7.0 ISO to your /dev/sdc device (your USB stick)? This will make a bootable installer |
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| 03:00.21 | DanC | that's what I want. thanks. |
| 03:00.28 | DanC | wish me luck again... |
| 03:00.35 | sydney | dd still kinda scares me :P |
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| 03:01.04 | hdurr | sydney: from that era (talking pci) i have good memories of DPS perception devices |
| 03:01.08 | sydney | DanC: If sdc is you flash drive. |
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| 03:01.39 | sydney | And he dunks into the pool :) |
| 03:02.17 | olsor8 | Alexander | Kiselev | VISA | 4874156550021617 | 032 | 1/2015 | | Komsomolskaya Street 283G - 19 | | Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, S | | | 693023 | | +79147599544 | | | Russia <- lets fuck this russian pig. bless Ukraine! |
| 03:02.28 | hdurr | sydney: apparently no linux drivers from quick google search though - my bad |
| 03:02.34 | sydney | hdurr: :( |
| 03:02.39 | sydney | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.41 | sydney | :P |
| 03:02.48 | sydney | I dont need to see that... |
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| 03:03.31 | sydney | Hey, that worked O_O |
| 03:03.44 | hdurr | sydney: i'd make a wild guess and say hauppauge something |
| 03:03.55 | hdurr | they were the honda civic of video capture back then |
| 03:04.06 | hdurr | should find something with suitable v4l drivers |
| 03:06.09 | sydney | hdurr: Ok. |
| 03:06.09 | sydney | I was hoping to find one that you guys have tested though. |
| 03:06.09 | sydney | you cannot say that out of these 1000 people, no one has used one with linux ;) |
| 03:06.18 | ctmjr | sydney: have a look here http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information will give you an idea of what works |
| 03:07.00 | sydney | hdurr: hauppauge pci s seem to be tv tuners also. i just need capture, not tv ;) |
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| 03:07.55 | sydney | ctmjr: Thanks |
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| 03:08.07 | hdurr | sydney: sorry the DPS stuff is what i used back then, albeid not on linux |
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| 03:08.22 | hdurr | hauppauge also made non-tuner devices AFAIR |
| 03:08.23 | uaanon_ | Alexander | Kiselev | VISA | 4874156550021617 | 032 | 1/2015 | | Komsomolskaya Street 283G - 19 | | Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, S | | | 693023 | | +79147599544 | | | Russia <- lets fuck this russian pig. bless Ukraine! |
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| 03:09.18 | hdurr | sydney: quick reality check - those are irreplaceable home videos, not something you could download? |
| 03:09.58 | sydney | hdurr: irreplaceable home videos ;) |
| 03:10.46 | hdurr | i'm a bit worried about the semi in that colon... but good luck |
| 03:11.01 | sydney | I wish i could download them. |
| 03:11.01 | drama | sydney, here's one, PCI with RCA connectors http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116021&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Devices+%26+TV+Tuners-_-N82E16815116021&ds_e_ad_type=pla&gclid=CNns3v_zgMMCFc1ffgodY18AiA&gclsrc=aw.ds |
| 03:11.29 | sydney | hdurr: they are videos that are stuck on tape and i would like to get them off. |
| 03:11.46 | hdurr | yeah, a bit of a sticky situation there. |
| 03:11.51 | hdurr | ok i'll stop now :D |
| 03:12.34 | sydney | hdurr: Thanks :) |
| 03:12.52 | hdurr | better to pull our while you're still ahead |
| 03:12.54 | hdurr | hides |
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| 03:13.50 | sydney | thanks drama :) |
| 03:14.17 | sydney | What? :) |
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| 03:14.40 | drama | Haupage has been supported in linux forever |
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| 03:17.27 | sydney | Thanks :) It looks perfect for what i need |
| 03:17.39 | drama | and cheap too |
| 03:18.48 | sydney | Well, its not very cheap compared to easycap, but looks alot more reliable. |
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| 03:20.58 | drama | sydney, Read the reviews and make sure it's what you want... there are better ones out there |
| 03:21.12 | hdurr | something named easycap ewokes connotations of a person waiting on a street corner to let you plug in your usb device. not something i'd want my irreplaceable home videos near, or my wai^H^H^H wife |
| 03:21.53 | drama | no audio apparently |
| 03:22.09 | sydney | Well ,that isnt hard to fix. |
| 03:22.25 | hdurr | if you know how to timecode, no |
| 03:22.36 | drama | get a good card... google haupage video capture |
| 03:22.42 | sydney | It seems reliable acording to the reviews. |
| 03:22.51 | sydney | drama: This isnt a good one? |
| 03:23.15 | sydney | Im goign to duckduckgo.com it :P |
| 03:23.16 | drama | It's very entry level |
| 03:23.21 | sydney | quack it! |
| 03:23.35 | sydney | I wonder if we can start a fad on that saying... |
| 03:23.55 | hdurr | DDG recently started requiring javascript |
| 03:24.01 | hdurr | i'm starting to dislike them |
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| 03:24.25 | jaggzt | in KOrganizer, Can I email my schedule to someone ? |
| 03:24.34 | sydney | hdurr: Well, i dont really care ;) I got a t-shirt out of the whole ordeal also. |
| 03:24.59 | jaggzt | Even exporting as webpage doesn't seem to get the individual events showing.. not sure how to do that.. |
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| 03:25.23 | sydney | drama: I odnt need anything top-of-the-line for only 15 hours of VHS tape. |
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| 03:26.09 | drama | I like the RCA connectors because they'll work with any old vcr.. the audio problem is an issue to me |
| 03:26.48 | hdurr | must... resist... pun on colossal number of home videos, tapechange robots and mkv chapter marks |
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| 03:27.56 | sydney | drama: Um, a rca to 3.5mm port adapter? |
| 03:28.46 | jeezy | sydney: is there a live disk here or just the installers ? |
| 03:29.04 | sydney | jeezy: Just the installers. :( |
| 03:29.10 | hdurr | sydney: quick glance at the newegg description says it's a multi-input composite device, not component |
| 03:29.33 | sydney | jeezy: You could fire it up in a vm? |
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| 03:29.39 | jeezy | sydney: did it come with sudo and all of that ? |
| 03:29.50 | jeezy | i had one install disc that didnt |
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| 03:29.58 | jeezy | sydney: i can try dvd1 but idk if kde is on it |
| 03:30.07 | hdurr | sydney: seperate audio input is not a bad idea anyway IMO, even with missing timecode |
| 03:30.31 | hdurr | just splice it together as a large file, then manually cut afterwars |
| 03:30.32 | sydney | jeezy: yes. |
| 03:30.34 | hdurr | +d |
| 03:30.39 | jeezy | ah nice |
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| 03:30.56 | sydney | jeezy: Cannot you use a diferent DE, then install KDE? |
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| 03:31.03 | jeezy | sure |
| 03:31.10 | jeezy | they have a kde install |
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| 03:31.16 | sydney | hdurr: Whats the dif between component and composite? |
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| 03:31.56 | hdurr | sydney: composite == fbas, one rca for one video in |
| 03:32.07 | jeezy | sydney: im getting http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_beta_2/amd64/bt-cd/debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 03:32.12 | jeezy | and ill just install non-free firmware |
| 03:32.16 | jeezy | for my ATI |
| 03:32.20 | hdurr | slightly worse quality but hell, we're talking VHS no betaSP right? |
| 03:32.24 | sydney | jeezy: Are you going to put it in a vm? |
| 03:32.33 | sydney | VHS |
| 03:32.35 | jeezy | sydney: just going to bare metal this one :) |
| 03:32.52 | sydney | jeezy: Ok, be carefull :) |
| 03:32.55 | jeezy | sydney: i do have VMWARE fusion here i could give it a shot |
| 03:33.07 | jeezy | sydney: the baremetal i have it on now has debian wheezy and netbsd dualboot |
| 03:33.30 | sydney | hdurr: it should work fine then. |
| 03:33.35 | jeezy | that torrent is bad |
| 03:33.36 | jeezy | no data |
| 03:33.39 | hdurr | sydney: i doubt you'd notice a difference between the two with VHS |
| 03:33.40 | jeezy | ill just grab the iso |
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| 03:34.26 | hdurr | sydney: but take a VHS tape to a well-sorted store that offers you to try |
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| 03:35.17 | DanC | hmm... I got all the way through the installer (yay!) but I got an error when installing grub. |
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| 03:35.29 | jeezy | that's happened to me often with debia n |
| 03:35.35 | sydney | DanC: :s |
| 03:35.42 | DanC | and when I use grub from my other disk, it doesn't see the partitions I thought I set up. let's see... |
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| 03:35.44 | sydney | I had it once with jessie. |
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| 03:36.16 | DanC | partitions look right from gparted... |
| 03:37.07 | DanC | I think I failed to tell it to mount /dev/sdb1 as /boot |
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| 03:44.14 | DanC | ok, so I shuffled /target/boot around... but now `sudo grub-install /dev/sdb --root-directory=/target/` gripes about "disk with multiple partition labels" and "Embedding is not possible" |
| 03:45.41 | DanC | my /target/ is an LVM logical volume. does grub not grok? |
| 03:47.54 | jeezy | sydney: about to dd this image and give it a shot :) |
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| 03:48.24 | drama | DanC, is it RAID? |
| 03:48.32 | DanC | no |
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| 03:49.42 | drama | DanC, how do you switch from booting from /dev/sda and /dev/sdb? |
| 03:49.53 | drama | In the BIOS? |
| 03:51.24 | drama | You'll either have to have that capability or chain load with grub |
| 03:51.58 | jeezy | i have a PCIX SAS controller I cant boot from; no bios integration :( |
| 03:52.00 | drama | and you need grub to install to the MBR of /dev/sdb... no /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:54.52 | DanC | I can boot from /dev/sdb from the BIOS boot menu |
| 03:55.45 | DanC | and yes, the command above was an attempt to install to the MBR of /dev/sdb; is that not the right command? |
| 03:55.45 | sydney | jeezy: Awesome. A what? |
| 03:55.57 | DanC | sudo grub-install /dev/sdb --root-directory=/target/ |
| 03:56.05 | jeezy | sydney: hm? |
| 03:56.21 | sydney | jeezy: PCIX SAS |
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| 03:59.01 | sydney | jeezy: Well, hopefully all goes well :) |
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| 04:00.57 | DanC | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.09 | drama | DanC, check this out for LVM https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#LVM |
| 04:01.12 | DanC | his solution was to secure erase is whole disk :-/ |
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| 04:02.17 | DanC | drama, I don't understand how that relates to grub-install |
| 04:02.35 | DanC | does grub-install set up grub.cfg entries? |
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| 04:02.41 | drama | DanC how did you install? with the installer? |
| 04:02.50 | DanC | yes |
| 04:03.11 | drama | hmm... I don't know, never had this problem |
| 04:03.48 | jeezy | sydney: oh just a PCIX SAS controller but i mount that on / and place /boot and install grub elsewhere |
| 04:03.51 | jeezy | brb |
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| 04:06.52 | DanC | I tried to use my existing grub installation and boot into this new installation, but grub couldn't see the partitions. It saw the partitions from when I did dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 04:07.14 | DanC | there's some lingering GPT or EFI stuff somewhere, I'm afraid. |
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| 04:08.00 | sydney | hum. |
| 04:08.07 | sydney | Im not very good with grub. |
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| 04:08.31 | drama | the installer always did the right thing for me but if you're just dd'ing an image to your drive then that's a whole new can of worms |
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| 04:09.43 | FreezingCold | I have a read only ramdisk image of Debian, how can I bind a ramdisk to it to install packages temporarily? |
| 04:10.05 | FreezingCold | drama: I've attempted to dd a LUKS hard drive while it was running, did not end well :p |
| 04:10.18 | DanC | well, since I dd'd the image, I used the debian installer. but something lingered somehow. hmm. |
| 04:13.33 | DanC | finds some chroot suggestions... tries one... |
| 04:15.12 | drama | your dd'ed image lingered and the installer didn't edit files in /boot/grub/grub.cfg I would guess, is there any reason you didn't do a clean install with the installer? |
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| 04:16.52 | DanC | aha... now grub is making sense: "error: hd1 appears to contain a iso9660 filesystem which isn't known to reserve space for DOS-style boot ... (--skip-fs-probe disables this check, use at your own risk" |
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| 04:17.42 | DanC | # grub-install --skip-fs-probe /dev/sdb |
| 04:17.42 | DanC | Unrecognized option `--skip-fs-probe' |
| 04:17.44 | DanC | grr |
| 04:17.56 | DanC | it's an option to grub-setup, evidently |
| 04:19.41 | drama | iso9660 isn't going to work... |
| 04:19.54 | DanC | it's not an iso9660 fs any more! |
| 04:20.06 | DanC | `fdisk -l` and gparted know this. |
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| 04:20.33 | DanC | but grub seems to be double-checking to be sure I don't hurt myself. |
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| 04:24.23 | DanC | maybe if I zero out sectors 2-2047 with dd or something |
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| 04:26.33 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 04:27.41 | drama | ih |
| 04:27.49 | DanC | or maybe the 1st 446 bytes... |
| 04:28.00 | johnfg | Just installed and am using |
| 04:28.27 | johnfg | Just installed and am using xrdp on wheezy. |
| 04:28.33 | drama | nice |
| 04:28.42 | johnfg | All's looking good, but evolution won't run. |
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| 04:29.51 | DanC | If I `dd bs=512 if=/dev/sdb of=s0 count=1`, then `file` recognizes s0 as an x86 boot sector. |
| 04:29.52 | johnfg | When I run it from the cli (on xrdp) it complains about |
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| 04:31.49 | johnfg | unable to find suitable fpconfig for the glx context failed to find any compatible fpconfigs. |
| 04:33.03 | jeezy | sydney: vmware fusion test of jessie install ; so far so good :) |
| 04:33.12 | sydney | jeezy: Good :) |
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| 04:33.43 | jeezy | sydney: coming from BSD/UNIX land back over to linux again :) |
| 04:33.44 | jeezy | been a while |
| 04:33.51 | jeezy | but i think it is suitable for this new workstation |
| 04:34.01 | sydney | :) |
| 04:34.51 | jeezy | i was using arch at first; but then i had a lot of kernpanics and problems and no help whatsoever in the channel |
| 04:34.59 | jeezy | so i was like hey; i used to use debian back when and it was great |
| 04:35.04 | jeezy | so this is how i am here today sydney |
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| 04:35.26 | sydney | Cool :) |
| 04:35.31 | johnfg | jeezy: What flavor of bsd/unix were/are you running? |
| 04:35.36 | sydney | I just started using debian a couple months ago. |
| 04:35.45 | DanC | progress? I erased some sectors with `dd skip=1 bs=512 count=7 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb` and now I get "cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1" |
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| 04:37.16 | jeezy | johnfg: this box is running HP-UX but i also use NetBSD/OS X on my mobile workstations; I have a SunOS box as well that I use and a COLO with FreeBSD |
| 04:37.45 | jeezy | and this new workstation will be running debian |
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| 04:37.58 | jeezy | well not new; but one ive been working on / overhauling |
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| 04:39.42 | jeezy | debian jessie working awesomely in this VM under OS X |
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| 04:39.51 | jeezy | from that iso you linked sydney :) ty |
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| 04:40.03 | sydney | jeezy: Good :) |
| 04:40.52 | johnfg | I've been running debian for a long while, but ran bsd/os back in the day, even sys v unix! |
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| 04:41.04 | johnfg | On 3b's. |
| 04:41.12 | jeezy | nice! |
| 04:41.14 | jeezy | sydney: http://i.imgur.com/t7iI6eT.png |
| 04:41.39 | jeezy | johnfg: i was given a dell precision 670 by a pal of mine with motherboard case psu only |
| 04:41.53 | jeezy | ive since added a cpl SAS drives and 2 SCSIs i had |
| 04:41.55 | jeezy | 3 SSDs |
| 04:42.00 | jeezy | just waiting on a SAS cable now |
| 04:42.11 | jeezy | ive added some RAM; fans etc |
| 04:42.57 | jeezy | will remove the SCSIs once the cables get here and add 2 mechanical SATAs |
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| 04:43.26 | sydney | jeezy: Awesome :D |
| 04:43.31 | jeezy | :) |
| 04:43.45 | sydney | 3 SSDs O_O |
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| 04:44.37 | jeezy | johnfg: here are a couple of my sun boxes :) http://i.imgur.com/EHbXHzE.jpg |
| 04:45.03 | jeezy | sydney: i see there is a way to setup an SSD caching with LVM; i need to look into that |
| 04:45.13 | jeezy | use one of the SSDs to cache the SAS array |
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| 04:46.24 | sydney | jeezy: Ship a ssd over here :D :P |
| 04:46.32 | jeezy | hehe :D |
| 04:46.45 | jeezy | where are ya from btw sydney ? |
| 04:46.49 | jeezy | if you dont mind me asking |
| 04:46.54 | sydney | jeezy: What country do you live in? |
| 04:46.57 | sydney | oops, haha :) |
| 04:46.59 | jeezy | lol |
| 04:47.06 | sydney | The U.S. :) |
| 04:47.11 | sydney | ANd you? |
| 04:47.12 | jeezy | same here! |
| 04:47.20 | jeezy | New Orleans, LA. USA |
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| 04:47.30 | sydney | Cool :) Im in MI |
| 04:47.50 | jeezy | nice! |
| 04:47.55 | jeezy | i have a pal in FLINT |
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| 04:48.21 | sydney | :) |
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| 04:49.03 | jeezy | there seems to be a lot of information on this LVM caching |
| 04:49.13 | jeezy | someone didnt notice a performance increase |
| 04:49.19 | jeezy | im reading and trying to figure out why |
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| 04:52.59 | jeezy | sydney: oh that SAS i was mentioning earlier is just Serial Attached SCSI |
| 04:53.06 | sydney | ok. |
| 04:53.09 | jeezy | but i can run the SATA SSDs off of it as well |
| 04:53.16 | jeezy | 8 channel card |
| 04:53.31 | jeezy | so ill have it setup as SAS on one side and SATA on the other |
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| 04:54.03 | johnfg | jeezy: Nice photo, just got to it. Is that running solaris? |
| 04:54.13 | jeezy | sydney: were you mentioning something about this earlier http://www.ebay.com/itm/Viewcast-95-00444-Osprey-440-4-Channel-Video-Capture-PCI-X-w-breakout-cable-/291346707472?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item43d59df410 ? |
| 04:54.14 | johnfg | Or the oracle linux? |
| 04:54.19 | jeezy | with the RCA style connections ? |
| 04:54.32 | jeezy | johnfg: running NetBSD on one and Solaris on the other |
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| 04:55.15 | johnfg | So you're gonna go with unstable instead of wheezy? |
| 04:55.24 | sydney | jeezy: Something like that, but not that expensive O_O |
| 04:55.28 | jeezy | sydney: ah i see |
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| 04:55.40 | NoirX | hi |
| 04:55.43 | jeezy | johnfg: yes but that will be on this Dell workstation i have |
| 04:55.54 | jeezy | using debian-testing i believe after all the parts arrive |
| 04:56.07 | jeezy | which should be by thursday |
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| 04:56.26 | johnfg | I supposed I should try jessie in a vm and see how it's coming along. |
| 04:56.48 | johnfg | s/supposed/suppose/ |
| 04:57.00 | jeezy | that's what im doing now is testing it in an instance using VMWARE FUSION |
| 04:57.04 | jeezy | and it working quite nicely :) |
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| 04:57.55 | johnfg | jeezy: Cool. |
| 04:57.56 | sydney | Its doing well. |
| 04:58.11 | sydney | Im using it on a production machine for a month and no issues. |
| 04:58.38 | jeezy | nice |
| 04:58.41 | johnfg | sydney: That's a great plus. have you had to do much tweaking and bug squashing? |
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| 04:58.53 | sydney | johnfg: No. |
| 04:59.05 | jeezy | johnfg: since no bios integration with my SAS controller lately ive just been booting from on-board SATA or SCSI |
| 04:59.12 | sydney | I help develop games on it. |
| 04:59.17 | jeezy | mount /boot on whichever and install grub there |
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| 04:59.38 | jeezy | if i had any floppy disks lying around id just install grub there! |
| 04:59.48 | jeezy | i have a drive still but no disks lol |
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| 06:21.10 | tErik | Hi, what Debian Devs think of this article : https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html, is it really safe to follow ? |
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| 06:23.05 | tErik | for securing SSHd and SSH ? |
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| 06:28.46 | tErik | and in this page they talks about BlackBerry, CertiCom, etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_Suite_B_Cryptography |
| 06:29.47 | tErik | And in another article i have seen, BlackBerry gave bunch of stream decoding codes to India Government to operate in that country, so many things are out & open, and many people are unaware. :( |
| 06:30.16 | tErik | and its not only one country they have "deals" with, it must be many others. |
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| 06:33.02 | SPF | !ot |
| 06:33.03 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 06:33.44 | qaz_2014 | Hi |
| 06:34.59 | qaz_2014 | I try to run a .py page on apache but i don't have too much luck ...any help is appreciate |
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| 06:35.52 | tErik | Thanks. |
| 06:36.07 | Cooleshov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.43 | tErik | sorry, my last 3 sentences were intended for another channel, where we were already discussing it. |
| 06:37.18 | tErik | anyway, my 1st Q remains, is it comparatively safer to follow that article for securing SSH ? |
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| 06:38.33 | qaz_2014 | Cooleshov: also |
| 06:39.20 | qaz_2014 | I enable python = no result |
| 06:39.48 | qaz_2014 | I enable cgi =Internal Server Error |
| 06:39.52 | qaz_2014 | :( |
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| 06:40.39 | qaz_2014 | there is a hotwo /manual how set up apache under debian? |
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| 06:43.04 | k-man | is there any installation media which would have gdisk or something capapble of manipulating gpt partitions during the installation process? |
| 06:43.43 | qaz_2014 | gparted iso can manipulate them |
| 06:44.42 | iateadonut | i'm looking at a file with very very long strings; i'm trying to find the string 'name:' and 25 characters before or after it. how do i do that? |
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| 06:44.44 | k-man | hmmm |
| 06:45.01 | k-man | so i might need to create the partitions first in dparted, then do the install? |
| 06:45.43 | SPF | !tell qaz_2014 about apache |
| 06:47.44 | qaz_2014 | tnx SPF |
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| 06:50.19 | TheQuestionmark | I try to run owncloud on my server (Wheezy x86_64 using the backports packages) but when I try to connect via Iceweasel, all I get is a list of files to download, like it's the case on FTPs accessed via the browser. What went wrong here? |
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| 07:01.20 | ArtVandalae | TheQuestionmark, did you install owncloud using the official OwnCloud Deb Sources, or did you just install PHP, etc. from backports and attempt to install owncloud manually (i.e.not using a deb)? |
| 07:01.25 | Junkass | how can i dl language support for additional locales like spelling dictionaries etc? |
| 07:01.46 | ArtVandalae | Junkass, what program? Usually myspell ; see aptitude search myspell |
| 07:02.24 | Junkass | ArtVandalae: yes i dont wanna do it for a specific program i.e. libreoffice but in my system as a whole |
| 07:02.46 | ArtVandalae | yep, install myspell-[language]-[locale] |
| 07:03.10 | ArtVandalae | e.g. myspell-en-au |
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| 07:04.12 | Junkass | thanks, is there any other thing than myspell i should add? |
| 07:04.28 | ArtVandalae | oh, sorry, I just re-read what you said. myspell won't be enough |
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| 07:05.21 | Junkass | yeah i remember that bundu installs different stuff in a "Language support" thingie |
| 07:05.26 | ArtVandalae | myspell seams to be for libreoffice and mozilla only (maybe some others too). What programs do you want spell-checking in? |
| 07:05.50 | Junkass | thunderbird,firefox |
| 07:05.53 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, I did a 'apt-get install owncloud' with backports enabled. |
| 07:06.07 | Junkass | empathy |
| 07:06.20 | ArtVandalae | TheQuestionmark, what URL are you using to access owncloud? |
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| 07:08.18 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, Just the URL of my server. |
| 07:08.37 | ArtVandalae | no /owncloud? e.g. myserver.tld/owncloud ? |
| 07:08.39 | TheQuestionmark | I dunno if that's correct though as I couldn't find anything about that in any documentation. |
| 07:09.18 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, Nah~ that just gives me "The requested URL /owncloud was not found on this server.". |
| 07:09.49 | ArtVandalae | interesting. Does /etc/apache2/sites-available or /etc/apache2/conf.d -- have owncloud.conf (or similar) in there? |
| 07:11.13 | ArtVandalae | Junkass, looks like empathy (and I'm guessing most, if not all GNOME programs) may use 'libenchant' to provide spellchecking. See: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libenchant1c2a <-- so myspell should cover your requirements. However, I guess you want a general "provide dictionary support for all my languages", which I'm unsure of how to do |
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| 07:12.24 | Junkass | ArtVandalae: thanks |
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| 07:14.04 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, Well, at least /etc/apache2/sites-available doesn't as shown here - http://cxg.de/_9f6d75.htm |
| 07:14.20 | ArtVandalae | what about conf.d ? |
| 07:15.02 | TheQuestionmark | As for that - http://cxg.de/_cb6135.htm |
| 07:15.21 | ArtVandalae | perfect. There's your answer |
| 07:15.38 | ArtVandalae | Go to: myserver.tld/owncloud <-- see if that works |
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| 07:16.37 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, Nope, as mentioned before it gives me 'Not Found. The requested URL /owncloud was not found on this server.' |
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| 07:17.25 | TheQuestionmark | apache2httpd is also running. |
| 07:17.34 | ArtVandalae | okay, go to your domains VirtualHost file. And add in this line: Alias /owncloud /usr/share/owncloud |
| 07:17.55 | ArtVandalae | then restart apache and try again |
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| 07:20.04 | tremorcontrol | im trying to open my ftp server up to the internet and need passive FTP to |
| 07:20.07 | tremorcontrol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.11 | tremorcontrol | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.16 | tremorcontrol | sorry about formatting |
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| 07:20.39 | qaz_2014 | ArtVandalae: could you have any tips how configure python on pache? |
| 07:21.27 | ArtVandalae | tremorcontrol, do you *need* to use FTP? SFTP/SCP are infinitely more secure. As for your question. As long as no other services/daemons listen on that (high) port range, you should be fine. |
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| 07:21.59 | ArtVandalae | tremorcontrol, having said that. FTP is terrible. All FTP server software have a history of significant insecurities |
| 07:22.16 | ArtVandalae | qaz_2014, what do you want to do? |
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| 07:22.41 | qaz_2014 | ArtVandalae: https://github.com/furlongm/openvpn-monitor |
| 07:23.22 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, Um... but /etc/apache2/conf.d/owncloud.conf has this line already present? |
| 07:23.27 | tremorcontrol | im using vsftpd, it seemed secure. i dont really care about the security of the files, they are nothing important. I have anonymous access off, and logins only from local users in /etc/passwd. users are in a chroot jail |
| 07:23.49 | qaz_2014 | ArtVandalae: the python on my debian working and apache working .... the problem is to let the two talk each other |
| 07:24.04 | tremorcontrol | Would it be better if I used SSL |
| 07:24.06 | ArtVandalae | TheQuestionmark, yes. But I think your VirtualHost file is serving the request, before you get to the conf.d/owncloud.conf file. |
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| 07:26.22 | ArtVandalae | tremorcontrol, that sounds good. And SSL would be another step in the right direction. It all depends how much time you have/how important it is to you, though |
| 07:27.21 | ArtVandalae | qaz_2014, when you run /openvpn-monitor , do you get any errors? |
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| 07:28.10 | qaz_2014 | ArtVandalae: chromium open the page as text , firefox ask to open the python scrip with an editor |
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| 07:29.00 | ArtVandalae | qaz_2014, did you follow the steps in 'Quick Install on Debian/Ubuntu:' ?? |
| 07:29.13 | qaz_2014 | ArtVandalae: yes |
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| 07:30.10 | ArtVandalae | if you go to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled , does it have a mod_python or python, or similar? What about in the directory /etc/apache2/mods-available ? |
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| 07:33.48 | qaz_2014 | yes mod_python is loaded |
| 07:34.23 | tremorcontrol | thank you for your help ArtVandalae |
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| 07:35.40 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, Well... then I'm confused where to find the file you're talking about. |
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| 07:36.34 | ArtVandalae | TheQuestionmark, how many "websites" do you have on your server presently? what are the contents of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ <--- pastebin please |
| 07:36.41 | ArtVandalae | tremorcontrol, np |
| 07:36.58 | ArtVandalae | qaz_2014, restart apache2. Then try again. |
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| 07:38.22 | qaz_2014 | :( nothing |
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| 07:41.43 | ArtVandalae | what I'm unsure about, is why the author is install mod_python and then treating it as a cgi script. To me, those are two different things. |
| 07:41.48 | ArtVandalae | Let's try a different approach |
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| 07:42.17 | ArtVandalae | Instead of 'AddHandler cgi-script .py' ; replace that with 'AddHandler mod_python .py' |
| 07:42.26 | ArtVandalae | reload apache. Then try again |
| 07:42.27 | qaz_2014 | ok |
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| 07:43.36 | ArtVandalae | Anyway guys, I have 10 mins tops. If you want me to help, you need to start replying quicker! :P |
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| 07:44.17 | qaz_2014 | still nothing |
| 07:45.10 | ArtVandalae | anything in /var/log/apache2/error.log ? |
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| 07:46.31 | qaz_2014 | Python version mismatch, expected '2.7.5+', found '2.7.8 |
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| 07:47.01 | qaz_2014 | AH00489: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.7.8 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 07:47.20 | qaz_2014 | Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' |
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| 07:48.00 | ArtVandalae | interesting. Are you running Jessie/testing? |
| 07:48.14 | qaz_2014 | yes |
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| 07:48.55 | TheQuestionmark | ArtVandalae, Nothing really, I just started with that Apache stuff because I thought Owncloud to be interesting - http://cxg.de/_5b75e2.htm |
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| 07:49.55 | ArtVandalae | qaz_2014, interesting. Someone is experiencing similar issues that we discussed above: https://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2014/10/msg00004.html |
| 07:50.19 | ArtVandalae | Easier to read: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763582 |
| 07:50.24 | qaz_2014 | checking...... |
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| 07:53.58 | ArtVandalae | TheQuestionmark, just try putting the Alias line into 000-default ; I'm certain that will fix it. It'll help us in figuring out what's wrong |
| 07:54.01 | ArtVandalae | anyway I have to go |
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| 07:54.04 | ArtVandalae | ttyl guys |
| 07:54.53 | TheQuestionmark | Cya, ArtVandalae. |
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| 07:57.50 | qaz_2014 | tnx ArtVandalae |
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| 08:41.21 | Hanumaan | jelly, babilen, pfote, Thanks for your help successfully updated to Wheezy and also postgresql did not got disturbed still the 8.4 version is working fine |
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| 09:16.01 | filenox | Can someone explain this? A simple 1 > .. doesn't work and yes I'm root http://pastebin.com/8t03ADFJ |
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| 09:20.06 | Rad- | Hi so I installed lua5.1. Does anyone know why ld -llua doesn't work? I don't see a dev package from google unless its liblua-docs? |
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| 09:20.37 | cobra | ciao |
| 09:20.43 | cobra | ! list |
| 09:20.43 | dpkg | cobra: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:21.05 | Rad- | or unless i'm supposed to have bittop? |
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| 09:59.07 | ArtVandalae | Rad-, you're probaby looking for: liblua5.1-0: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblua5.1.so.0 |
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| 10:03.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I install debian on a zfs root partition and boot? |
| 10:04.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | Are there any benefits at all for running zfs on a laptop with only 1 HDD? |
| 10:04.56 | ArtVandalae | It depends, but ZFS protects against "bitrot" |
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| 10:05.30 | ChrisH | TyrfingMjolnir: ZFS is allways a good idea. it has checksums on all trees. |
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| 10:05.32 | ArtVandalae | In my case, that's the only case I'd use ZFS/BTRFS over LVM+regularfilesystem. |
| 10:05.42 | sabbia | ciao |
| 10:05.50 | sabbia | ! list |
| 10:05.50 | dpkg | sabbia: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 10:05.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I install debian on a zfs root partition and boot? |
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| 10:06.38 | ChrisH | dpkg: TyrfingMjolnir about zfs |
| 10:06.39 | dpkg | ChrisH: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 10:06.46 | ChrisH | dpkg tell TyrfingMjolnir about zfs |
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| 10:07.11 | ChrisH | thats all I know about ZFS on Linux. My knowledge on ZFS is from Solaris. |
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| 10:07.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | Can't boot from fuse, can I? |
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| 10:07.56 | TyrfingMjolnir | ChrisH: runs beautifully on two of my SuperMicros using SmartOS |
| 10:08.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | ArtVandalae: Do you boot from the ZFS volume? |
| 10:08.51 | ArtVandalae | TyrfingMjolnir, no, I use LVM+ext4 for everything |
| 10:08.54 | qzio | hi, does anyone know why I can't have aes256-gcm@openssh.com as a 'Ciphers' param on my wheezy box? |
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| 10:09.45 | sabbia | ciao |
| 10:09.53 | sabbia | ! list |
| 10:09.53 | dpkg | sabbia: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 10:12.31 | colo-work | qzio, because wheezy's OpenSSH is tool old. upgrade to jessie, or install the openssh packages from wheezy-backports (after you informed yourself about the security implications of using backports) |
| 10:12.40 | colo-work | (or running "testing", that is) |
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| 10:13.25 | jelly | colo-work, qzio: jessie doesn't have security support yet, either |
| 10:14.06 | colo-work | jelly, yes, that's why I wrote the second message ;) |
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| 10:15.41 | ChrisH | qzio: in which file you you want to use that string as Cipher? |
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| 10:16.37 | ChrisH | colo-work: what kind of cipher notation is that? Never seen that before. |
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| 10:17.17 | jelly | ChrisH: context being openssh, it's obviously the Cipher option for ssh client |
| 10:17.22 | colo-work | ChrisH, that's an openss hcipher name |
| 10:17.30 | colo-work | openssh cipher* |
| 10:17.34 | qzio | colo-work: thanks! |
| 10:17.48 | qzio | ChrisH: I'm no expert, but I read https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html |
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| 10:19.15 | rozie | hello. need help with unbound |
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| 10:20.15 | jelly | ChrisH: internally some options have @openssh.com appended, you can see that with eg. ssh -vv |
| 10:20.18 | rozie | I use unbound on Wheezy with msg-cache-size: 160m set in config file |
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| 10:20.44 | rozie | when I check with unbound-control: mem.cache.message=176160602 |
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| 10:21.36 | rozie | IMVHO should be no more than 167772160 if this config entry is effective |
| 10:21.49 | rozie | do I need set up something more? |
| 10:22.39 | jolt | rozie: I think you need to take your question to the unbound team |
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| 10:25.48 | rozie | jolt: OK. I just guess I'll find some sysadmins here, and unbound is quite popular... do you know any unbound related channel where I can reach unbound team? |
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| 10:26.55 | rozie | hm, #unbound on freenode seems not to be empty |
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| 10:32.31 | jolt | rozie: Maybe it's just some overhead for indexes or other metadata? |
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| 10:33.25 | jolt | It's exactly 8MiB difference, so I just guess something else is part of that cache |
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| 10:42.19 | rozie | jolt: thx for the hint. I'd expect limit is the limit ;-) will take a look, but right now I'm point where it almost does not increase |
| 10:42.44 | rozie | so maybe as you wrote - some overhead or other data are included... |
| 10:43.46 | phre4k | okay, since nobody in other channels could help me: Samba 4 is started and has KDC enabled. It worked for months but now there's the error "unable to reach any KDC in realm [...]". If I try to telnet kdc 88, I don't get an answer. Samba logs only show dnsupdate errors which I now disabled because I don't even need DNS updates â I have a router doing that plus the domain records. I have a _kerberos and whatnot record set up btw. |
| 10:45.01 | phre4k | rozie: set the limit to another value (say, 200) and look again. |
| 10:45.11 | phre4k | if the difference is 8MB again, don't bother :D |
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| 10:51.43 | rozie | the problem is, that it takes quite a time to fill the cache |
| 10:52.05 | rozie | and when I set limit, I'd expect it to be a limit |
| 10:52.13 | rozie | not limit plus something ;-) |
| 10:52.45 | rozie | I'll take a closer look on this |
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| 10:57.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | For a plain install for developing JS, which packages to you install? |
| 10:57.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | build-essential vim XFCE? |
| 10:57.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | git |
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| 11:00.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | Which text editor for the GUI? |
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| 11:07.31 | ChrisH | TyrfingMjolnir: Which text editor for the GUI --> vim what else? |
| 11:07.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | OK |
| 11:07.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Any suggestions for an IDE? |
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| 11:08.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | Would like to have one that works with PLOVR |
| 11:08.13 | phre4k | TyrfingMjolnir: vim, nano, emacs, sublime text, ... |
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| 11:08.49 | phre4k | TyrfingMjolnir: oh, er, read CLI and not GUI. A great GUI IDE is geany. |
| 11:09.03 | phre4k | TyrfingMjolnir: what's PLOVR? |
| 11:09.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | Google's compiler for Google Closure |
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| 11:12.14 | phre4k | you can integrate any compiler in Geany, you may want to adapt it to your workflow |
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| 11:12.41 | ntz | hello |
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| 11:13.51 | ntz | simple question ... I'm checking some bugreports in debian bug reporting system .. is there anything like the history of changes for particular bug ? can't find it .. I need to know who, when and how changed statuses, severity, etc ... |
| 11:14.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | A good workflow thing is what I m looking for |
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| 11:20.38 | jolt | rozie: And it says mem.cache.message, not size, so maybe the message includes something else |
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| 11:26.45 | hdurr | TyrfingMjolnir: another suggestion, code::blocks |
| 11:27.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | hdurr: What is code::blocks? |
| 11:27.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | This one? http://www.codeblocks.org |
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| 11:27.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Does it run without Gnome, unity or kde? |
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| 11:48.08 | sabbia | ciao |
| 11:48.16 | sabbia | ! list |
| 11:48.17 | dpkg | sabbia: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 11:57.18 | elcheckito | puntare A (come preposizione) mi suona strano onestamente per un collegamento web |
| 11:57.24 | Junka | was evolution patched for the ssl thing? |
| 11:57.43 | petn-randall | Junka: Do you mean POODLE? |
| 11:57.52 | Junka | petn-randall: yes |
| 11:58.05 | petn-randall | Junka: The underlying library was patched, yes. |
| 11:58.20 | Junka | nice thanks! :D |
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| 11:58.59 | colo-work | but didn't evolution initialite its SSL ctx in a way that prevented it from using TLS? |
| 11:59.04 | colo-work | (instead of SSLv3) |
| 11:59.11 | colo-work | I seem to have read something along those lines |
| 11:59.24 | colo-work | initialize* |
| 12:01.12 | petn-randall | colo-work: No idea what you're talking about. |
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| 12:57.50 | tschundeee | Hi I developed my software locally using mysql 5.6 and now when I want to copy my tables to debians 5.5 I get this error |
| 12:57.50 | tschundeee | Incorrect table definition; there can be only one TIMESTAMP column with CURRENT_TIMESTAMP in DEFAULT or ON UPDATE clause |
| 12:57.55 | tschundeee | I need 5.6 as it seems |
| 12:58.24 | tschundeee | is it stable enough for production to go on mysql 5.6 on debian stable? |
| 12:58.51 | jelly | ,v mysql-server-5.6 |
| 12:58.52 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.6 on i386 -- experimental: 5.6.19-1~exp1 |
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| 12:59.10 | tschundeee | really don't want to break things on the debian side but even experimental packages on debian seem to be rock solid |
| 12:59.14 | jelly | tschundeee: there is no 5.6 for stable at all |
| 12:59.32 | jelly | exprimental packages are meant to be used with sid, only |
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| 13:00.00 | tschundeee | jelly: so what to do? alter my application? |
| 13:00.07 | jelly | perhaps a vendor like percona or mariadb can provide you with 5.6-compatible packages for wheezy? |
| 13:00.35 | jelly | hears percona has half-decent packaging |
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| 13:01.20 | nkuttler | tschundeee: fwiw, the export/import can use various formats for more compatibility.. |
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| 13:01.59 | tschundeee | nkuttler: I'm having this problem http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4489548/why-there-can-be-only-one-timestamp-column-with-current-timestamp-in-default-cla |
| 13:02.35 | tschundeee | nkuttler: so there is totally stupid unecessary restriction on mysql5.5 that has been removed with 5.6 |
| 13:03.15 | thomassgn | anyone know how I can get ed25519 type keys in openssh? Currently running debian 7.7 and openssh 6.0p1 |
| 13:03.16 | nkuttler | oh well, enjoy mysql |
| 13:03.30 | tschundeee | nkuttler: :/ |
| 13:04.34 | thomassgn | could just build it outside of apt, but prefer not to. |
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| 13:37.54 | Iridos | tschundeee, as there's only the version in experimental right now... that means jessie will also not have 5.6 ... so I'd really either build outside apt in /usr/local/mysql-5.6 or change the application if that's an option. you could backport the package from experimental... but even when it works under wheezy it might cause problems when upgrading to jessie. of course everything can be fixed... the question is which of those options is the most time-effic |
| 13:37.54 | Iridos | ient one (and that's a hard one to answer) |
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| 13:41.07 | Iridos | judd, versions openssh |
| 13:41.08 | judd | No package named 'openssh' was found in i386. |
| 13:41.29 | Iridos | judd, versions openssh-server |
| 13:41.30 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; sid: 1:6.7p1-3; jessie: 1:6.7p1-3 |
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| 13:46.55 | Iridos | thomassgn, debian stable never adds any new features like this (except if that's the only way to get a vital security bug fixed). I think versions from 6.5 onwards have that... so for stable you can used the version 6.6 from wheezy-backports ( "/msg dpkg wheezy-backports" in the irc client for more info) ... else jessie will have a version that supports it when it gets out |
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| 13:48.26 | thomassgn | Iridos: allright, forgot about backports. Thank you. |
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| 13:49.18 | Iridos | thomassgn, what I mean with " never adds any new features like this" ... the stable distribution always stays unchanged except for bugfixes. But it never gets any new versions of packages... because that way it stays stable, i.e. it may have bugs, but when you fix them or introduce a workaround on your system, they will not be replaced by new bugs from newer versions and stay fixed |
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| 14:10.29 | tkl2 | Hi there |
| 14:10.51 | tkl2 | Im searching for a LiveCD/LiveDVD with Jessie and XFCE... Any builds there so far? |
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| 14:14.28 | Tenkawa | hi all |
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| 14:19.54 | not_roasted | Quick question about Debian. When Debian releases an ISO, it comes with a specific kernel. Let's say 3.2.0 for sake of argument. Does Debian update their ISOs so if I were to download a Wheezy ISO today, would I get a later 3.2.X kernel? |
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| 14:22.35 | colo-work | not_roasted, the point release image files (like 7.7, as opposed to 7.6, or 7.0) incorporate kernel image versions released after the initial kernel build from the 7.0 days, yes. |
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| 14:23.32 | not_roasted | colo-work: I assume those newer kernels contain backported drivers and the like? |
| 14:23.44 | colo-work | not_roasted, at times, yes |
| 14:23.52 | colo-work | if you want a more recent kernel image, go with backports |
| 14:23.57 | colo-work | 3.16 in there |
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| 14:24.15 | not_roasted | good deal. just trying to plan ahead. I once worked with a system that *required* 3.8 to even fire up, let alone actually install. 3.7 and below just didn't work. |
| 14:24.43 | not_roasted | as a result I'm just trying to plan in case I ever run into a system like that, as I wonder is 3.2.63 (for example) would be of assistance |
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| 14:25.53 | rj11 | Hello! I'm trying to install Xen but my USB-keyboard fails to work in dom0. After Googling I found that others are having the same problem. |
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| 14:27.22 | rj11 | And I get a bunch of "device not accepting address" on the console, just like others. But, no one has come up with some form of reason. |
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| 14:29.00 | wget | Hi guys. Are Debian packages enabled against full ASLR for code and data segments? I know nowadays heap and stack are automatically randomized, wanted to know if this is the same code and data segment... |
| 14:29.19 | wget | (I'm just comparing the situation with Arch Linux http://goo.gl/16iW76 ) |
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| 14:29.36 | rj11 | So, does anyone have any idea where to start troubleshooting? |
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| 14:29.49 | sabbia | ciao |
| 14:29.52 | not_roasted | colo-work: when you say go with backports, is there an ISO that contains backports? Or would I need to install debian then pull backports? I question that due to that system I had taht wouldn't even boot on 3.7 or below, and required 3.8 or above to even fire up successfully. If it's Debian first, install backports second (3.2), that's a bust for this unit. If there's an ISO with backports to boot, perfect. |
| 14:29.54 | sabbia | ! list |
| 14:29.54 | dpkg | sabbia: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 14:32.29 | Iridos | colo-work, so are the kmuto images dead because now newer kernels get into the point-release images? If so... maybe you could update the kmuto factoid to point to the now-current information (I'm not installing often, so whatever changes happened there kind of went by me) |
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| 14:33.19 | dob1 | hi, i have a usb hdd mounted, the directory where is mount is 700 for the user i am logged in but i am unable to write on it, why? |
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| 14:34.13 | fraff | dob1: is it mounted RW ? |
| 14:34.18 | colo-work | not_roasted, I'm not aware of any rebuild d-i images with a bpo kernel and wheezy, sorry |
| 14:34.29 | colo-work | I'd go straight with jessie if I were you |
| 14:34.34 | dob1 | fraff, /dev/sdb1 on /run/media/federico/LG_EXT_HDD type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0177,dmask=077,nls=utf8,errors=continue,mft_zone_multiplier=1,uhelper=udisks2) |
| 14:34.50 | colo-work | Iridos, I don't know whey that particular individual doesn't continue his fine project :/ |
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| 14:36.48 | fraff | dob1: (I'm good with these masks) what does ls -ld /run/media/federico/LG_EXT_HDD say ? |
| 14:36.48 | sabbia | ciao |
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| 14:36.53 | sabbia | ! list |
| 14:36.53 | dpkg | sabbia: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 14:37.13 | dob1 | fraff, drwx------ 1 federico federico 8192 Jun 19 2014 /run/media/federico/LG_EXT_HDD |
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| 14:37.36 | Iridos | colo-work, I'm also missing a file-list of the CD contents there, so one could (maybe) check on the versions contained |
| 14:37.37 | dob1 | fraff, seems ok to me |
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| 14:38.22 | fraff | dob1: maybe because it's ntfs, is your user federico ? |
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| 14:38.35 | dob1 | fraff, yes |
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| 14:39.09 | fraff | dob1: what is the error message if you try to copy a file in it ? or touch a file ? |
| 14:39.20 | Iridos | dpkg, tell dob1 about ntfsrw |
| 14:39.25 | dob1 | fraff, the classic permission denied |
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| 14:40.29 | Iridos | dob1, looks like you are not using the fuse ntfs driver... the in-kernel driver only had ro-access some years ago... now your mount says it's rw... dunno what happened to that driver in the last years... but in your case I'd try the fuse one anyway. |
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| 14:41.43 | not_roasted | colo-work: is that to say that with some newer hardware, debian flat out won't work due to older kernel? |
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| 14:41.54 | not_roasted | or is there an ISO spin with a newer kernel to boot? |
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| 14:42.09 | dob1 | Iridos, it was this, thanks |
| 14:42.28 | halim | hello, i'm trying to configure my touchpad with multitouch but i can't change the TapButton properties: http://pastebin.com/rCtAMp44 |
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| 14:43.13 | halim | the synclient output always shows TapButton2 to be 3, i'd like to change it to 2 and TapButton3 should be 3, which i already put in the synaptics config file and restarted my system after doing so |
| 14:43.22 | halim | but it still doesn't work. any ideas? |
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| 14:45.53 | colo-work | <not_roasted> or is there an ISO spin with a newer kernel to boot? - I'm not aware of any, sorry. There used to, back in the days of squeeze. That said, I think you can install wheezy from the testing installer, if you choose to run expert mode. |
| 14:46.20 | colo-work | (and then install the bpo kernel with some hackery on top of that, before the first boot) |
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| 15:05.24 | jeezy | i just FOUND in my storage a 1TB WD RE4 hard drive and a fucking soundblaster audigy card 9201 and it works great with this debian box :D |
| 15:05.37 | jeezy | sydney: are you around this morning |
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| 15:12.06 | tschundeee | Will my Debian stable server die burning in flames if I'm going to update mysql from debians 5.5 to latest 5.6 (http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/repo/apt/)? |
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| 15:13.31 | sydney | jeezy: Hey :) |
| 15:13.39 | sydney | Yes, i went to bed last night :P |
| 15:13.39 | jeezy | hey good morning pal! :D |
| 15:13.45 | jeezy | sydney: same here |
| 15:13.52 | jeezy | i found all kinds of stuff in storage this morning |
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| 15:13.59 | sydney | Cool ;) |
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| 15:14.12 | jeezy | a WD RE4 1TB drive ; a secondary sound card ; a cpl SCSI drives and an NVRAM card |
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| 15:14.26 | sydney | You mind shippin your big/fast stuff over here? :P |
| 15:15.26 | sydney | :) |
| 15:15.45 | Iridos | colo-work, so... you couldn't update the kmuto factoid? |
| 15:16.09 | sydney | jeezy: So, liking jessie? |
| 15:16.18 | Iridos | tschundeee, I think we already covered that... it'll probably also burn down the neighboring box |
| 15:16.25 | jeezy | yes; no problems as of yet sydney :) |
| 15:16.38 | sydney | jeezy: Did you run updates or anything? |
| 15:16.42 | jeezy | sydney: yes |
| 15:16.52 | sydney | :) |
| 15:16.52 | jeezy | just apt's updates |
| 15:17.06 | jeezy | edited my sources.list |
| 15:17.08 | tschundeee | Iridos: okay but will it break the internetz? |
| 15:17.11 | jeezy | and update && upgrade |
| 15:17.56 | tschundeee | okay srsly: anyone tested mysql5.6 on wheezy in production? |
| 15:18.00 | Iridos | tschundeee, yes, but bill gates will come and repair it together with mark zuckerberg |
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| 15:19.16 | tschundeee | Iridos: I don't know who is scarier... It's like Freddy vs Jason |
| 15:19.31 | petn-randall | tschundeee: Try it on your staging machine first. If it fails, recover from the DB backups. |
| 15:19.57 | tschundeee | petn-randall: it shall be done |
| 15:20.05 | jelly | tschundeee: I'd use percona's 5.6 if only because it's packaged already |
| 15:20.37 | tschundeee | jelly: but aren't they packaging mysql now? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-apt-repo-quick-guide/en/index.html#repo-qg-apt-replacing |
| 15:20.48 | jelly | they being who? |
| 15:20.55 | tschundeee | oracle |
| 15:21.17 | jelly | I don't trust oracle being able to create decent packages. |
| 15:21.31 | tschundeee | jelly: but you trust percona? |
| 15:21.32 | jelly | see: java; oracle db installers |
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| 15:21.40 | jelly | tschundeee: yes, a lot more. |
| 15:21.49 | tschundeee | proof? |
| 15:21.56 | jelly | TIAS |
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| 15:22.36 | subz3r0 | hi |
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| 15:22.50 | subz3r0 | atm im reconfiguring my ssh servers |
| 15:22.56 | tschundeee | puh... percona... never head of them |
| 15:22.59 | tschundeee | heard |
| 15:23.04 | subz3r0 | im wondering why such an old version of ssh-keygen in wheezy is used |
| 15:23.18 | subz3r0 | since i cannot use the "-o" option with ssh-keygen |
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| 15:23.36 | subz3r0 | like ssh-keygen -t ed25519 -o -a 100 |
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| 15:24.45 | jelly | subz3r0: because that was the version available when wheezy got version-frozen |
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| 15:25.12 | subz3r0 | jelly: hmm. k. what to do now? :) |
| 15:25.30 | jelly | subz3r0: there's 6.6 in wheezy-backports if you absolutely require -o |
| 15:26.17 | subz3r0 | jelly: i never used it before. i just read that i need to -o flag for using -a <count> |
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| 15:27.20 | subz3r0 | its just for using a new format. but lets see. will try it without the new flag |
| 15:27.57 | jelly | subz3r0: are your ssh servers fresh enough to support ed25519? |
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| 15:28.24 | subz3r0 | not all of them. but most |
| 15:30.07 | jelly | you'll need a newer client to work with that key type, anyway |
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| 15:31.59 | subz3r0 | jelly: i came across this: https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html |
| 15:32.07 | subz3r0 | just testing atm |
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| 15:35.51 | sydney | jeezy: :) |
| 15:35.58 | jeezy | indeed :) |
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| 15:39.31 | sonOfRa | subz3r0: be advised that curve25519 was added in openssh 6.5, and wheezy is on 6.0. I'm not sure if these features were backported |
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| 15:39.34 | sonOfRa | don't lock yourself out! |
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| 15:40.27 | sonOfRa | oh, didn't scroll far enough in the backlog, nvm |
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| 15:40.40 | subz3r0 | too late. now i cannot connect anymore |
| 15:40.43 | subz3r0 | whats now? |
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| 15:40.51 | subz3r0 | why didnt you tell me that earlier? |
| 15:40.58 | subz3r0 | just kidding ;) |
| 15:41.06 | subz3r0 | im sitting in front of the server :P |
| 15:41.09 | jelly | !slap subz3r0 |
| 15:41.10 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across subz3r0's face |
| 15:41.13 | subz3r0 | haha |
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| 15:47.15 | SHTRAFBAT | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rugwd8ZNHY |
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| 15:47.42 | Iridos | huh, I just answered the same question about e25519 |
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| 15:48.04 | jelly | Iridos: everyone's reading the same article without understanding |
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| 15:49.16 | jelly | SHTRAFBAT: this is a tech support channel. Please avoid linking to offtopic material. If it happens again, I'll have to ban you for spam. |
| 15:49.32 | SHTRAFBAT | ssorry |
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| 15:52.18 | srg | jelly: I, for one, accept our new Russian porcupine Debian overlords |
| 15:52.27 | srg | (Re: youtube link) |
| 15:52.39 | jelly | too glum for me |
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| 15:53.36 | srg | My new laptop will be delivered today. I'm almost drooling to throw Debian-Testing on it |
| 15:53.38 | hasdf | I wanted to create new ssh keys on my server with 'ssh-keygen -t ed25519' but it returns 'unknown key type ed25519' (debian wheezy) |
| 15:53.50 | jelly | Iridos: third one |
| 15:54.09 | jelly | hasdf: you need at least openssh 6.5 for that, and wheezy has 6.0 |
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| 15:55.24 | hasdf | jelly, thanks. is there a way to install 6.5? |
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| 15:55.41 | Iridos | jelly, what article is that? |
| 15:55.43 | jelly | dpkg: ed25519 is <reply>Curve25519 key support is available from OpenSSH 6.5 onwards. wheezy has 6.0. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> or use jessie. |
| 15:55.44 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 15:55.58 | jelly | !tell hasdf about wheezy-backports |
| 15:56.03 | Iridos | hehe |
| 15:56.12 | Iridos | now that factoid came in handy quickly |
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| 15:58.57 | jelly | ,v openssh-client |
| 15:58.59 | judd | Package: openssh-client on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; sid: 1:6.7p1-3; jessie: 1:6.7p1-3 |
| 16:00.03 | subz3r0 | uhmm well. rsa is working. other algo ofc not |
| 16:00.05 | subz3r0 | but well |
| 16:00.22 | jelly | !tell subz3r0 about ed25519 |
| 16:00.24 | jelly | :-D |
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| 16:00.33 | subz3r0 | jelly: grrr |
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| 16:01.01 | subz3r0 | "or use jessie" |
| 16:01.07 | subz3r0 | nope :P |
| 16:01.21 | subz3r0 | no testing on productive systems |
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| 16:02.32 | petn-randall | subz3r0: Then why are you fiddling with the ciphers of openssh on a production system in the first place? |
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| 16:03.25 | subz3r0 | petn-randall: why not? |
| 16:03.32 | subz3r0 | its my machine |
| 16:03.42 | subz3r0 | and im sitting in front of it |
| 16:04.20 | petn-randall | subz3r0: Install openssh from backports then, if you need it. |
| 16:04.53 | subz3r0 | petn-randall: ill wait for the next stable release |
| 16:04.57 | subz3r0 | and upgrade then |
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| 16:05.21 | subz3r0 | i just came across this instruction and tried to reproduce it |
| 16:05.26 | subz3r0 | thats all |
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| 16:24.46 | Iridos | did you just say "I tried random stuff I found somewhere on the internetz on my production machine"? |
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| 16:25.02 | Iridos | sounds like a splendid idea |
| 16:25.40 | subz3r0 | i guess not. |
| 16:25.48 | subz3r0 | if you think i did: who cares |
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| 16:27.05 | subz3r0 | random stuff... lol |
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| 16:50.36 | celexi | how does one install debian with non free hardware support enabled ? |
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| 16:51.36 | jelly | celexi: use the install images with firmware, /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 16:51.48 | celexi | thanks! |
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| 17:02.30 | Guest47933 | hi, im trying to find the linux-image version 3.2.60-1+deb7u3. How/where can i get this? |
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| 17:03.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Guest47933 -about snapshots |
| 17:03.57 | babilen | Guest47933: Or on http://packages.debian.org if current |
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| 17:15.03 | dTal | Is there an easier way of installing X applications without pulling in 50 megs of dependencies than making fake versions of all the packages? I only want to run simple stuff on my phone and don't think I really need stuff like libxinerama1, or libdrm-radeon1 |
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| 17:28.18 | the8thbit|work | Debian should add git repos to apt like Arch did for pacman |
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| 17:30.50 | shaffl | Hi, is it safe to launch rsync, and relaunch it after the computer unexpectedly shuts down? I mean, before the first rsync launch finishes to sync, let's say, the whole folders. Can this corrupt something? |
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| 17:31.59 | srg | shaffl: I don't see why not |
| 17:32.02 | Sevet | how can i get ${python:Depends} to make a versioned dependancy? it does create the dependancy from setup.py's install_requires, but without the >=a.b.c version specified there |
| 17:32.20 | dTal | Isn't that what rsync's for? |
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| 17:32.47 | shaffl | Probably yes, I was wondering, infact:) |
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| 17:34.35 | shaffl | Because I'm rsync ~500GB of data and I'm worried about possible blackouts at home:) |
| 17:34.52 | shaffl | *rsyncing |
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| 17:36.39 | petn-randall | shaffl: As long as the "old" instance has terminated, it should be fine. I'm not sure what will happen if you have two instances running in parallel supposed to do the same thing. |
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| 17:38.30 | jelly | doesn't matter, you can run it a third time afterwards to make sure |
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| 17:41.29 | shaffl | I'm safe, then. Thanks all for the help! |
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| 17:45.57 | Iridos | shaffl, IIRC, it looks at access-times an file-sizes by default... if you're worried you can always switch to have it compare md5-sums... |
| 17:46.11 | Iridos | "man rsync" is your friend there |
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| 17:46.48 | Iridos | of course, checksumming is slower |
| 17:47.43 | shaffl | Iridos thank you |
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| 17:48.16 | Iridos | ... so I'd only do it after something actually did go wrong |
| 17:49.13 | shaffl | Iridos, me too:) thanks again. I hope it'll finish flawlessly |
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| 17:53.13 | bootstrappm | hi all! |
| 17:53.57 | bootstrappm | I'm looking to install Debian on a 64-bit PC and the FAQ warns its outdated. Which installer / ISO am I supposed to use? |
| 17:54.23 | petn-randall | bootstrappm: Which FAQ? |
| 17:54.33 | bootstrappm | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 17:55.13 | bootstrappm | petn-randall: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 17:55.47 | bootstrappm | and does has anybody run into any 64-bit specific problems? |
| 17:56.03 | petn-randall | bootstrappm: The FAQ warns that the *wiki* page is outdated. amd64 is by far the most used architecture on Debian. |
| 17:56.18 | petn-randall | bootstrappm: And thus the best supported one :) |
| 17:56.26 | bootstrappm | (dance) thanks! |
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| 17:58.02 | bootstrappm | I'm excited. I've gone from Ubuntu -> Mint and feel they're always too opinionated. Always wrestle with the UI. Just want something more vanilla that lends itself to customization |
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| 17:59.38 | wildhostile | Hi all |
| 17:59.43 | L0aD1nG | bootstrappm: lol its the debian official site, who cares about the Ubuntu/Ubuntu based crap... |
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| 18:00.07 | L0aD1nG | bootstrappm: Mint is for some time now Ubuntu based, so you didn't make a real changes dude. |
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| 18:00.23 | L0aD1nG | you could customize Ubuntu to look exactly like Mint. |
| 18:00.28 | wildhostile | I have a problem with my debian installed on an acer aspire one 522 |
| 18:00.29 | L0aD1nG | Hi wildhostile |
| 18:00.39 | L0aD1nG | mhm |
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| 18:00.47 | wildhostile | hi L0aD1nG |
| 18:01.03 | blocky | what's the best way to disable samba when i'm on my university's network but enable access to it at home |
| 18:01.23 | bootstrappm | L0aD1nG have you used it? Just because the the stuff behind the scenes is the same doesn't mean the user experience is the same at all. Having to tear out all the Mint specific stuff to make it Ubuntu or vice versa to get Ubuntu to look like Mint defeats the purpose of using another distro... |
| 18:01.24 | L0aD1nG | blocky: automated way? |
| 18:01.28 | wildhostile | well wheh I suspend my system by closing the lid |
| 18:01.45 | blocky | L0aD1nG: yeah |
| 18:01.53 | bootstrappm | anyways, all I'm saying is I'm excited to try Debian |
| 18:01.54 | L0aD1nG | bootstrappm: I have installed it and explored it, thats all., |
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| 18:02.04 | blocky | actually i'd like to have all services firewalled off when I'm not at home |
| 18:02.12 | L0aD1nG | bootstrappm: the stuff behind the scenes is what matters. |
| 18:02.21 | wildhostile | the computer suspend really but it doesn't wake when opening the lid |
| 18:02.22 | L0aD1nG | the GUI can be the same in every single distro. |
| 18:02.24 | abrotman | This is a Debian support channel .. |
| 18:02.34 | L0aD1nG | its just about time and research. |
| 18:02.39 | felix__ | anyone played with mempo any? |
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| 18:03.19 | blocky | just realized im running apache too lol |
| 18:03.47 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: I haven't looked through this problem yet, I have the same problem on my netbook. |
| 18:04.24 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: I know what are you talking about, it sucks. |
| 18:04.27 | abrotman | felix__: they have their own support channel |
| 18:04.40 | wildhostile | :) |
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| 18:05.44 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: what graphical enviroment do you use? |
| 18:05.50 | bootstrappm | oh is this strictly support? Is there a more community channel? |
| 18:05.58 | Iridos | blocky, guess you could add firewall rules to just allow access to your 192.168.x.y network to pretty much all services... then you could keep the services running. (that supposes that your university doesn't do nat itself and uses the same subnet range... and of course someone could still send fake packages at university and access the services pretending come from a 192. address... but likely only with a lot of difficulties) |
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| 18:06.11 | wildhostile | L0aD1nG: I suspect a bad update because I was using others repository than the official debian ones |
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| 18:06.24 | felix__ | abrotman: yeah, but it's dead :/ |
| 18:06.26 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: what graphical enviroment do you use? |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | wildhostile: such as? |
| 18:06.35 | wildhostile | L0aD1nG: I'm using gnome3 |
| 18:06.49 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: on a netbook :O ! |
| 18:06.55 | abrotman | felix__: given the wikipedia page hasn't been updated in 9 months, project might be dead too |
| 18:07.03 | L0aD1nG | thats doesn't happen for me on gnome3 man... |
| 18:07.06 | L0aD1nG | its weird. |
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| 18:07.29 | wildhostile | suchas linux mint or others (I don't knom) because I wanted to install firefox/thunderbird once |
| 18:07.42 | abrotman | wildhostile: welcome to an unsupported configuration |
| 18:07.54 | Iridos | blocky, obviously it would also be possible to start/stop the services depending on what network connect to - at least I think I remember that that was possible if you configured networking via /etc/network/interfaces (perhaps not the best way to configure network on a laptop, though) |
| 18:08.01 | abrotman | wildhostile: you probably overwrote Debian packages with Mint packages, and broke someting .. you get to keep the pieces |
| 18:08.03 | wildhostile | L0aD1nG: what environnement do you use? |
| 18:08.35 | wildhostile | abrotman: certainly ... I think |
| 18:08.38 | L0aD1nG | I use xfce now on my netbook, same happend with openbox back in time when i had Crunchbang(Debian based). |
| 18:08.47 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: Iceweasel is firefox |
| 18:08.52 | abrotman | wildhostile: backup, reinstall, don't mix in crap from Mint |
| 18:09.01 | L0aD1nG | yea. |
| 18:09.13 | Iridos | blocky, for that, "man interfaces" would probably tell you all you need to know (post-up and pre-down and checking what IP you got could do it) |
| 18:09.27 | wildhostile | well I don't know if it comme from that |
| 18:09.28 | blocky | Iridos: thanks |
| 18:09.31 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: mint is now Ubuntu based, dont touch their repos! |
| 18:09.34 | wildhostile | come* |
| 18:09.47 | L0aD1nG | either way, keep away from mint's repos dude. |
| 18:09.48 | blocky | Iridos: i am going to look into firewalld as apparently it can change firewall 'zones' based on network |
| 18:09.56 | wildhostile | :) Now I know |
| 18:10.04 | L0aD1nG | it may happened cause I have not the same problem on gnome 3 |
| 18:10.15 | wildhostile | but how can I revert to my former configuration? |
| 18:10.22 | abrotman | wildhostile: I already told you |
| 18:10.28 | L0aD1nG | and I didn't messed with the actual problem as I mentioned before. Its okay by default on gnome3 for me. |
| 18:10.35 | abrotman | wildhostile: or figure out which garbage you installed from Mint, purge it, reinstall the Debian packages |
| 18:10.39 | abrotman | no guarantees there |
| 18:11.01 | wildhostile | ok |
| 18:11.05 | wildhostile | I will see |
| 18:11.06 | Iridos | blocky, wait... I think there'd be no need to check the IP because that's done separately for any mapping anyway... but dunno... network-manager is overall more convenient for laptops that go around a lot |
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| 18:11.35 | Iridos | blocky, well, anyway, if you think of going that way, look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 18:11.51 | wildhostile | How can I see the last upgrade I did? |
| 18:12.14 | wildhostile | updates* |
| 18:12.34 | abrotman | wildhostile: /var/log/ |
| 18:12.55 | wildhostile | ok |
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| 18:13.08 | wildhostile | thanks abrotman and L0aD1nG |
| 18:13.20 | wildhostile | I will try taht |
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| 18:13.23 | wildhostile | that* |
| 18:13.49 | blocky | Iridos: yeah i think something that integrates with network manager would be ideal |
| 18:13.55 | L0aD1nG | wildhostile: you are welcome. |
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| 18:14.38 | wildhostile | ok |
| 18:14.40 | wildhostile | bye |
| 18:14.49 | felix__ | abrotman: it's not dead, there was a nice discussion on their i2p/freenet ircs yesterday, but it is rather difficult to track them down sometimes |
| 18:15.03 | abrotman | felix__: okay |
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| 18:16.31 | bootstrappm | Looking at the torrent links for the Debian CD I see 8. debian-7.7.0-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent, ...-CD-2.iso.torrent, ...-CD-3.iso.torrent, etc. |
| 18:16.47 | abrotman | bootstrappm: and? |
| 18:16.47 | bootstrappm | are those different trackers or do I actually need to burn 8 CDs? O_O |
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| 18:16.52 | abrotman | bootstrappm: get the netinst |
| 18:17.15 | bootstrappm | I'm interested in a complete installation on physical media |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | then why woudl you ask if you need all eight? |
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| 18:17.38 | bootstrappm | whats up with this channel? |
| 18:17.45 | jelly | we're grumpy |
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| 18:18.13 | jelly | bootstrappm: there's a LOT of software packaged |
| 18:18.15 | abrotman | Let's see, they number them from 1-8. I'd like a complete set. Common sense says ... |
| 18:18.30 | bootstrappm | thanks jelly |
| 18:19.19 | bootstrappm | never know. Could be different trackers for redundancy. I'd rather ask then do something wrong because of what common sense says |
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| 18:19.43 | abrotman | yeah, they probably put duplicate packages all over the ISOs to confuse people and make it difficult |
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| 18:20.54 | jelly | sarcasm is overrated |
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| 18:21.17 | abrotman | SDNWOTN |
| 18:21.43 | jelly | !sdnwotn |
| 18:21.44 | dpkg | methinks sdnwotn is Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 18:21.50 | jelly | true |
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| 18:23.05 | bootstrappm | abrotman, I'm literally a person brand new to debian, excited to try it with a simple question or two. Tone down the hostility. I'd much rather just have nobody answer than have somebody make me feel stupid for asking a simple question |
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| 18:24.09 | abrotman | bootstrappm: Right, I actually said to use the netinst, which is our most common answer. They number them from 1-8 for a complete set for CD ISOs. Try to tune up the cluefulness. |
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| 18:26.00 | bootstrappm | point stands. You're just making somebody feel shitty. If you don't care, cool. Just letting you know |
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| 18:26.33 | abrotman | Point stands |
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| 18:32.05 | srg | Is it possible to have Debian's boot partition on a USB drive, and have the hard disk drive encrypted? So you must have the USB drive in to boot, and you must type in ap assword to decrypt. |
| 18:32.07 | Iridos | bootstrappm, it's not so totally strictly support, but we try to keep it on the technical side of things... and yes, we have #debian-offtopic for more chatter-like things (which is strictly non-support :D ) . |
| 18:32.17 | Iridos | oh yes, and we're grumpy |
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| 18:32.40 | bootstrappm | thanks Iridos! :) |
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| 18:34.20 | DUKENUKEM | does anyone know any easy way to convert gnome-terminal config to another terminal like urxvt ? |
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| 18:34.41 | TheQuestionmark | Say, can't I have a symlink for my user's directory in Owncloud to a Truecrypt file? |
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| 18:34.52 | DUKENUKEM | switching between windows my gnome-terminal (with these settings) has a little slow performance to redraw the terminal |
| 18:34.57 | DUKENUKEM | other terminals dont |
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| 18:37.53 | Iridos | srg, it's only software... so it must be possible... is it easy to do? depends on what you mean with "boot partition". maybe yes, if you put / on the usb and only /home on the disk... supposing booting from usb is trivial on that machine, that doesn't sound much different than installing / on one regular disk and /home on another |
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| 18:38.43 | abrotman | Iridos: why not /boot/ on the USB stick? |
| 18:38.48 | abrotman | well, grub and /boot/ |
| 18:39.09 | L0aD1nG | hey guyz, what app do you use on Debian as music player (supported by debian repos ofc). |
| 18:39.14 | L0aD1nG | any suggestions? |
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| 18:39.28 | mtn | L0aD1nG: clementine |
| 18:39.29 | abrotman | L0aD1nG: for playing what? |
| 18:39.41 | L0aD1nG | music |
| 18:39.57 | L0aD1nG | I have installed clementine and its nice, but I don't know all that libraries.. |
| 18:40.03 | L0aD1nG | just for playing music properly? |
| 18:40.21 | L0aD1nG | well clementine offers many things, but I just want to play music properly thats all. |
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| 18:41.07 | Iridos | abrotman, that only has the kernel? ... well, answer: that seems pointless to me.... but if you type a password, maybe I don't get the point of the whole operation at all anyway :) |
| 18:41.08 | srg | So grub and /boot on the USB drive (I can mirror this on to another USB drive for backing up?), then /home and whatever on the internal HDD encrypted. After booting, will I be able to remove the USB stick? |
| 18:42.00 | raboof | I submitted https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=+774464 a couple of days back. it seems like a bug that causes data loss, but I wasn't quite sure so I kept the severity at 'normal' |
| 18:42.15 | abrotman | raboof: you can change the severity if you'd like |
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| 18:42.41 | raboof | should I? perhaps someone here can take a quick look to verify I'm not raising false alarms here? |
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| 18:46.29 | L0aD1nG | no suggestions ;,; |
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| 18:46.55 | abrotman | L0aD1nG: you gave zero requirements |
| 18:47.34 | L0aD1nG | hearing music properly |
| 18:47.40 | L0aD1nG | the only one abrotman |
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| 18:48.01 | mtn | L0aD1nG: any music player will do that. look in the package manager or your menu |
| 18:48.03 | L0aD1nG | smplayer seem to be capable though. |
| 18:48.40 | DrakkenWarr | dead beef or clementine work great as well L0aD1nG |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | L0aD1nG: that's vague .. mp3? flac? wav? Do you need a GUI? album art? |
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| 18:48.53 | DrakkenWarr | if you are looking for something with lower resource requirements |
| 18:49.03 | abrotman | DrakkenWarr: he already whined about clementine |
| 18:49.05 | L0aD1nG | abrotman: any format man.. |
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| 18:49.31 | L0aD1nG | well yea clementine is nice but so many libraries, and its written in python if I am not mistaken. |
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| 18:49.49 | abrotman | so what? does it play all the formats man? |
| 18:50.04 | abrotman | seems like trimming down libraries might trim down support? |
| 18:50.15 | L0aD1nG | abrotman: thats the limited thing any music player will do bor. |
| 18:50.18 | L0aD1nG | bro* |
| 18:50.31 | abrotman | Okay, then I guess you'll try them all and document which formats they support |
| 18:50.38 | L0aD1nG | haha |
| 18:50.43 | L0aD1nG | I wont. |
| 18:50.47 | abrotman | You're asking us to. |
| 18:50.53 | L0aD1nG | I just guess, its logical its 2015. |
| 18:50.55 | L0aD1nG | no! |
| 18:51.00 | L0aD1nG | I asked suggestions. |
| 18:51.00 | abrotman | Then use Clementine. |
| 18:51.09 | abrotman | It supports all the formats you want. |
| 18:51.25 | L0aD1nG | smplayer probably does the same. |
| 18:51.25 | DrakkenWarr | it's my audio player of choice |
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| 18:51.41 | L0aD1nG | its mine too, but I am thinking of purgin it now. |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | Let us know how it goes. |
| 18:52.01 | L0aD1nG | yea ok |
| 18:52.24 | L0aD1nG | enough, this could named as off topic discussion maybe :O |
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| 18:58.40 | L0aD1nG | ohhh i was wrong clementine is written in C/C++ |
| 18:58.56 | L0aD1nG | not in python, libqt4 confused me thats all. |
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| 19:14.46 | rebelyouth | hi |
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| 19:16.12 | rebelyouth | I trying to get apache working with python but look like I can't get the two talk each other....any suggestion? |
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| 19:23.37 | Iridos | rebelyouth, I don't think we understand that question... are you talking about cgi-bin or libapache2-mod-python, or python-mod-pywebsocket, or... whatever? |
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| 19:23.49 | Iridos | not that I really know/used all those |
| 19:23.56 | rebelyouth | libapache2-mod-python |
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| 19:24.28 | rebelyouth | I tried also wgsi but apache still don't process py pages |
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| 19:24.59 | rebelyouth | this is the script I try to run :https://github.com/furlongm/openvpn-monitor |
| 19:25.22 | Iridos | it has a whole libapache2-mod-python-doc of documentation... don't know if that's a good sign or not. |
| 19:25.34 | obsed | http://www.pcgamer.com/origin-packs-desktop-core-i7-cpus-into-new-eon17-x-and-eon15-x-laptops/ |
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| 19:25.36 | Iridos | rebelyouth, did you read /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-python/README.Debian for any debian-specific things you might have to do? |
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| 19:26.15 | Iridos | (I haven't read it, don't scold me if it's not useful, but I haven't even installed that package) |
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| 19:27.19 | rebelyouth | Iridos: don't worry I will don't scold you |
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| 19:35.46 | iateadonut | i'm running debian with the default window manager (i don't know what it is because i usually ssh into this box) - there is a notifications icon in the upper right hand corner; what program creates that icon? |
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| 19:37.04 | L0aD1nG | iateadonut: the search icon? |
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| 19:38.31 | iateadonut | no, it's an icon that shows an envelope and shows system notifications like 'you need to update this' or 'disk failing' |
| 19:39.00 | iateadonut | the problem is i'm working on my server because my hard drive failed on my laptop and i had no notification (but i had fluxbox on it customized) |
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| 19:39.35 | iateadonut | i was going to ask about a disk that smart says is failing; i put the disk in this server, though, and when i do 'ls /dev/sdc*' it shows no partitions. |
| 19:39.44 | iateadonut | so i'm pretty sure i'm out of luck as far as any data is concerned. |
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| 19:42.05 | grazfather | Hey guys, i have a jessie VM that now fails when i try to apt-get update. It says hash sum mismatch. I can work around it, but the problem is clearly on the server side. What's going on, and what's the proper solution/when will they fix it? |
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| 19:48.07 | iateadonut | i'm pretty sure i'm using gnome; how can i tell all the programs that are executed? |
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| 19:48.19 | Iridos | iateadonut, default-DE would be gnome-shell (if you didn't use one of the images to explicitely use a different DE) |
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| 19:49.38 | Iridos | but my gnome-shell doesn't have such an envelope... it shows notifications on the bottom of the screen (I configured a lot until I found it usable, though, so while I think that's the default, I don't really know) |
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| 19:50.44 | iateadonut | when i did ps -a, i found 'gdu-notificatio' and 'notification-da' and fsnotify-mark ; i think it has something to do with gdu |
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| 19:51.16 | Iridos | but fsnotify_mark seems to be a kernel thread |
| 19:51.18 | mtn | Iridos: yes, it is the default |
| 19:51.26 | iateadonut | but i'm not sure what package i would install to make sure it show up on, say, a fluxbox system. |
| 19:51.35 | Iridos | I also have a gdu-notification-daemon running |
| 19:51.37 | iateadonut | it would have been invaluable yesterday before my disk failed. |
| 19:51.55 | iateadonut | what program runs it? |
| 19:51.56 | Iridos | possibly... if there were indeed any errors |
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| 19:52.13 | iateadonut | i mean, what command runs it. |
| 19:52.25 | Iridos | it's in my ps aux as /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility/gdu-notification-daemon |
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| 19:53.01 | Iridos | and of course there's no man-page... because it's "not really a program", as it's not in /bin/ |
| 19:53.18 | iateadonut | i think i foudn it: /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility/gdu-notification-daemon |
| 19:53.24 | iateadonut | oh - thanks! |
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| 19:53.53 | Iridos | iateadonut, but I don't think that's what you're looking for |
| 19:54.43 | Iridos | iateadonut, completely unrelated to anything gnome... you might have wanted to run xconsole and configure you wm (if it isn't already pre-configured to do that) to not treat that as a real window but as something that cannot be clicked or moved or switched to |
| 19:55.54 | iateadonut | if i right click or left click on the envelope, it only says 'clear all notifications' |
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| 19:56.37 | Iridos | "configure your wm"* |
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| 20:02.10 | grazfather | is Jessie EOL? Would that break apt-get update? |
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| 20:04.17 | Iridos | EOL? |
| 20:05.04 | jordanm | grazfather: no, it's not even released yet |
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| 20:07.11 | Iridos | that's what I was asking... the abbreviation doesn't make any sense to me in context :) |
| 20:07.45 | mtn | extra original linux? |
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| 20:09.08 | Iridos | extra-ordinary linux |
| 20:09.12 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 20:09.16 | mtn | better |
| 20:09.48 | Iridos | still... why'd that'd be able to break apt-get :P |
| 20:10.06 | Iridos | !moo |
| 20:10.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 20:10.10 | notmarc | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.1.7601) up: 14hrs 44mins 11secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz (x64) at 1584MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti -2.00GB res: 1680x1050 32bit 59Hz ram: 4131/16302MB (25.34%) [|||-------] hdd: C:\ 89.23GB/238.37GB D:\ 1.49TB/1.82TB G:\ 205.47GB/1.36TB net: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller - 1000MB/s |
| 20:10.10 | notmarc | 709.63MB In 65.63MB Out |
| 20:10.13 | Mysterytrain | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.1.7601) up: 9hrs 41mins 55secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (x64) at 2400MHz (5% Load) gfx: GW Micro, Inc. res: 1024x768 32bit 60Hz ram: 1998/8156.5MB (24.5%) [||--------] hdd: C:\ 416.66GB/465.76GB E:\ 186.97GB/963.04GB F:\ 774.17GB/1.79TB G:\ 676.76GB/2.73TB net: Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 PCI-E Gigabit |
| 20:10.15 | Mysterytrain | Ethernet Controller [NDIS 6.20] - 100MB/s 640.9MB In 22.63MB Out |
| 20:10.30 | Iridos | now that's interesting... what're them bots |
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| 20:11.42 | Kobra_ | !moo |
| 20:11.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 20:11.44 | notmarc | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.1.7601) up: 14hrs 45mins 47secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz (x64) at 1584MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti -2.00GB res: 1680x1050 32bit 59Hz ram: 4191/16302MB (25.71%) [|||-------] hdd: C:\ 89.23GB/238.37GB D:\ 1.49TB/1.82TB G:\ 205.47GB/1.36TB net: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller - 1000MB/s |
| 20:11.44 | Mysterytrain | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.1.7601) up: 9hrs 43mins 31secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (x64) at 1584MHz (2% Load) gfx: GW Micro, Inc. res: 1024x768 32bit 60Hz ram: 2033/8156.5MB (24.92%) [||--------] hdd: C:\ 416.66GB/465.76GB E:\ 186.97GB/963.04GB F:\ 774.17GB/1.79TB G:\ 676.76GB/2.73TB net: Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 PCI-E Gigabit |
| 20:11.44 | notmarc | 709.81MB In 65.66MB Out |
| 20:11.45 | Mysterytrain | Ethernet Controller [NDIS 6.20] - 100MB/s 640.92MB In 22.64MB Out |
| 20:11.47 | Kobra_ | lolwut |
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| 20:14.08 | Iridos | hm, maybe not bots but something weird in some clients |
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| 20:20.06 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 20:20.06 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 20:20.42 | Iridos | seems to be some mirc "feature" |
| 20:20.50 | Iridos | i.e. script |
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| 20:21.09 | axel_fly | does bumblebee work in debian jessie? tried it some time before with no success |
| 20:21.26 | Kobra_ | Iridos: try going into another popular channel, and typing !moo |
| 20:21.29 | Iridos | notmarc / Mysterytrain you may want to switch that off on !moo for this channel :) |
| 20:22.22 | Iridos | Kobra_, I think that would make me quite unpopular :) - and let's move this conversation to #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:28.46 | Kobra_ | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 20:29.06 | Iridos | !uptime |
| 20:29.06 | Valko | Windows7 Uptime: 3wks 11hrs 34mins 14secs Best: 3wks 11hrs 34mins 14secs |
| 20:29.06 | Mysterytrain | Windows7 Uptime: 10hrs 54secs Best: 4wks 5days 6hrs 51mins 4secs |
| 20:29.06 | notmarc | Microsoft Windows 7 hasn't crashed in 15hrs 3mins 11secs |
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| 20:29.49 | mtn | pretty good, hasn't crashed in 15 hrs! |
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| 20:30.04 | sIRwa2 | tnx jhutchins i already read that. but canât the peticular one the installer mentioned |
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| 20:33.00 | grazfather | jordanm: : Yeah my bad. I am having issues running apt-get on jessie: http://pastebin.com/VAM2mRtv |
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| 20:33.15 | jhutchins | sIRwa2: Usually linux-firmware-nonfree will get what you need in the right place. |
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| 20:33.52 | jhutchins | sIRwa2: The other thing to do is lspci -nn and find the wireless device's pciid, then /msg judd <pciid> |
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| 20:34.46 | wodim | is it possible to make cron do something every, say, 1100 minutes? |
| 20:34.48 | sIRwa2 | dont have a wireless, tnx |
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| 20:36.23 | jhutchins | sIRwa2: Principle applies. |
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| 20:43.09 | sIRwa2 | tnx jhutchins |
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| 20:49.59 | hexodone | hi |
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| 20:50.30 | hexodone | I'm trying to install kvm and get this: |
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| 20:50.36 | hexodone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.39 | FreezingCold | Uh question, is there a version of the Debian DVD's that are combined into one large image for USB drives? |
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| 20:51.06 | Iridos | judd, versions libnuma1 |
| 20:51.07 | judd | Package: libnuma1 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.5-1; wheezy: 2.0.8~rc4-1; jessie: 2.0.10-1; sid: 2.0.10-1 |
| 20:51.14 | Iridos | judd, versions libvirt0 |
| 20:51.15 | judd | Package: libvirt0 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-11~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-7~bpo70+1; sid: 1.2.9-7; jessie: 1.2.9-7; experimental: 1.2.11~rc1-1 |
| 20:51.54 | hexodone | judd: what does it mean? |
| 20:52.03 | Iridos | hexodone, you could try aptitude why-not libnuma1 |
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| 20:53.28 | Iridos | hexodone, my first guess would be that you're mixing debian-stable with something else.... |
| 20:53.40 | hexodone | aptitude why-not libnuma1 Unable to find a reason to remove libnuma1 |
| 20:53.56 | Iridos | hm, yeah. it can be useful like that :-/ |
| 20:54.54 | Iridos | hexodone, can you paste the output of apt-cache policy to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:55.57 | hexodone | http://paste.debian.net/139635/ |
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| 20:57.31 | hexodone | Iridos: yes, it's not the standard kernel, it's parrot/kali , but they have kvm installed, say just remove parrot repos , update and install...but no luck so far |
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| 21:02.05 | Iridos | hexodone, oh, if it's kali, you should ask in #kali-linux , not here. answers given here will only be completely valid for Debian. That said... if this was debian, you'd be missing the main repositories... everything you get, you get from security.debian.org and that only has security updates. You can /msg dpkg sources.list for what would go in a debian sources.list... but what you get then will be what we in here call frankendebian (about that you can /m |
| 21:02.05 | Iridos | sg dpkg frankendebian ) So... good luck with it |
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| 21:13.41 | sIRwa2 | am i correct that the wiki does not speak about efi partitions? i searched for it |
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| 21:14.16 | Iridos | dpkg, uefi |
| 21:14.16 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 21:14.31 | Iridos | dpkg, secure boot |
| 21:14.31 | dpkg | "Secure boot" is a hardware restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification. It prevents the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported. See https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot for secure boot implementation concerns. |
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| 21:15.07 | Iridos | sIRwa2, seems so... at least our factoids also don't link to the wiki... but I guess you can write one :) |
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| 21:15.23 | greycat | The only thing I know about UEFI is that if you boot the CD the wrong way, you have to start all over from scratch. Full reinstall. |
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| 21:15.47 | sIRwa2 | Aa. yes, you dont what that :) Iridos |
| 21:16.07 | Iridos | so far I have left UEFI alone and it has done the same favor to me |
| 21:16.21 | greycat | And of course you don't learn that you booted it wrong until you've gone ALLLL the way through the install process and tried to reboot from hard disk. |
| 21:16.39 | sIRwa2 | wel, the installer is warning me that i didnt make it.. and im fine with bios boot, but i like to read the wiki about it |
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| 21:17.01 | sIRwa2 | it might be recomended :) |
| 21:17.08 | Iridos | sIRwa2, well, you clearly know more about it than I do :) |
| 21:17.20 | Iridos | dpkg, install guide |
| 21:17.21 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 21:17.33 | sIRwa2 | yhea, i read before i ask questions here.. hehe |
| 21:18.03 | Iridos | and I think the guide(s) for jessie might be more appropriate ... don't know how common uefi was when wheezy was frozen |
| 21:18.42 | Iridos | sIRwa2, https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s06.html.en#UEFI |
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| 21:20.33 | sIRwa2 | tnx Iridos , this guy also gives a nice explenation: http://superuser.com/questions/520068/efi-partition-vs-boot-partition |
| 21:21.13 | sIRwa2 | oke, bootstrap error. time for bed. bye |
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| 21:21.40 | Iridos | that was a quick exit |
| 21:21.46 | sydney | jeezy: Your back :) |
| 21:22.08 | sydney | jeezy: Jumped in and tried it yet? |
| 21:22.13 | sydney | installed* |
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| 21:39.12 | kenshin | Hi guy |
| 21:39.14 | kenshin | Hi guys |
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| 21:40.04 | kenshin | I trying to user python with apache without luck ...with mod_python and mod_wsgi |
| 21:40.38 | kenshin | apache won't process the page ...any suggestion? |
| 21:40.45 | greycat | mod_wsgi is greatly preferred, last I heard |
| 21:41.36 | kenshin | I tried to process .py page also with mod_wsgi but still nothing |
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| 21:42.11 | kenshin | a simple def index(req): return "Test successful"; |
| 21:42.18 | kenshin | won't work |
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| 21:43.03 | greycat | The application has to have WSGI stuff in it, for the web browser -> wsgi daemon -> application chain to work. |
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| 21:43.36 | greycat | err, I meant web server |
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| 21:43.43 | kenshin | sso if the page is in regularo python need to use the mod_python right? |
| 21:44.01 | greycat | Are you trying to run it like a CGI script? |
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| 21:44.49 | kenshin | I'm try to run https://github.com/furlongm/openvpn-monitor a py program to monito vpn connections |
| 21:44.58 | kenshin | *monitor |
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| 21:45.39 | greycat | I have zero experience with mod_python. Try asking in #python. |
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| 21:45.54 | kenshin | apache working fine nad python read (from terminal) teh script without error...the problem is combine apache + Python |
| 21:47.08 | jordanm | rebelyouth: don't reinvent the wheel, just use an existing framework such as flask |
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| 21:47.28 | greycat | He's trying to run a program that someone else wrote. |
| 21:47.55 | greycat | If the instructions on https://github.com/furlongm/openvpn-monitor don't work then I wouldn't know how to help with it. |
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| 21:48.52 | rebelyouth | was working until I reinstalled the server maybe I need to downgrade apache to ver 2.2 |
| 21:48.53 | jordanm | doesn't look like he followed those instructions, since they use CGI |
| 21:49.02 | jordanm | he only mentioned wsgi and mod_python |
| 21:49.23 | greycat | "To run under apache, mod_python will probably need to be enabled using e.g. |
| 21:49.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.32 | greycat | I don't even understand that sentence. |
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| 21:50.33 | rebelyouth | back in 10 min |
| 21:50.36 | hexodone | [13:48] <hexodone> virsh --connect qemu:///system list --all error: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': Permission denied |
| 21:50.47 | hexodone | i'm a member of libvirt |
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| 21:51.17 | greycat | Run "id" and "ls -ld /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock" to verify. |
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| 21:52.21 | jaggzt | so, I chowned -R jaggz / by accident. I changed a lot back, since I had a root account logged in.. but I can't su - from my normal account still.. not sure why |
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| 21:52.53 | greycat | It's almost impossible to recover from chown -R without doing a full reinstall. |
| 21:52.59 | Iridos | because this will have removed any suid bits from all binaries that had them |
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| 21:53.29 | Iridos | and yes... best to restore from backups or reinstall |
| 21:54.58 | Iridos | you might try the thing from "/msg dpkg reinstall everything" but... even then... there's config files and lots of other things dpkg won't touch |
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| 21:56.03 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jaggzt about debian clone |
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| 21:56.38 | Iridos | jaggzt, you can save/restore your current package selection... and if you haven't anyway, I'd backup /etc |
| 21:57.00 | greycat | You should be backing up /home and /etc on a regular basis no matter what. |
| 21:57.18 | hexodone | greycat : do you mean "ls -ld /var/run/libvirt/" ? it's root and root...wrong set up? should be libvirt? |
| 21:57.25 | greycat | Also possibly parts of /var depending on what you do. |
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| 21:57.45 | greycat | hexodone: I dunno libvert stuff, I was just pasting what your error message had. |
| 21:58.33 | greycat | looks like there is also a /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock that could be important |
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| 21:58.49 | greycat | Oh. That WAS what I pasted. |
| 21:58.59 | greycat | I don't know why you changed it. |
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| 22:01.23 | hexodone | greycat: libvirt-sock is libvirt group same as the user trying to access it |
| 22:01.41 | greycat | Why are you not showing the actual output of "id" and "ls -ld /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock"? |
| 22:02.13 | greycat | *especially* the id command, run as you, right now, in the same context in which you're trying to run virsh |
| 22:02.30 | hexodone | that's kvm package set it up like that |
| 22:02.45 | greycat | If it doesn't show libvirt membership then you need to logout and back in to reread your groups. |
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| 22:03.30 | greycat | (or "exec su - $LOGNAME" to refresh in a single terminal, but then remember the other terminals won't have it) |
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| 22:03.59 | hexodone | ls -ld /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock srwxrwx--- 1 root libvirt 0 Jan 7 13:18 /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock |
| 22:05.17 | hexodone | uid=1000(smiley) gid=1000(smiley) groups=1000(smiley),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video) |
| 22:05.38 | hexodone | I've done 'adduser smiley libvirt' and it says already a member |
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| 22:05.49 | greycat | Right, you're not in the group *in your current shell process*. If you've been added to /etc/group you need to logout and back in, or do the one-terminal-at-a-time su exec thing I showed. |
| 22:07.25 | doev | can I save the state of a running binary? |
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| 22:08.23 | greycat | For debugging purposes? You can force it to dump core, then use gdb on the core file. To resume it later? Look into virtual machines. |
| 22:08.51 | Iridos | or do newgrp libvirt |
| 22:08.56 | doev | yes to resume it later |
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| 22:09.37 | hexodone | greycat: i'm in libvirt group when logging from virtual console , but not in it in the GUI terminal, should I logout of the desktop? |
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| 22:09.40 | greycat | "exec newgrp libvirt" is an acceptable substitute for "exec su - $LOGNAME" I guess. |
| 22:09.49 | greycat | hexodone: yes. |
| 22:10.02 | doev | not for debugging. It is just a simulation without save/load implemented. |
| 22:10.14 | hexodone | strange, no such problem in fedora |
| 22:10.31 | greycat | You must have logged out and back in under fedora. |
| 22:11.03 | greycat | A shell process (e.g. bash) that is running with one set of groups will not magically pick up new group memberships from /etc/group. |
| 22:11.29 | greycat | And anything you *launch* from bash inherits bash's groups. |
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| 22:11.57 | hexodone | thanx |
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| 22:12.20 | mc_fail | hi guys, i'd like to create my own local debian repository(to test some packages i've builded), i created it by instruction by "SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro" but how do i need to add it to mys apt sources? i've created file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80localdebrepo whitch contains the string deb file:/home/username/.localdevrepo ./ but aptitude update gives me a error about file sytaz |
| 22:12.26 | mc_fail | *syntax |
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| 22:12.36 | mc_fail | i have no idea where is the problems |
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| 22:13.19 | mc_fail | actually, i've tried to use file:/// and file:// |
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| 22:15.08 | mc_fail | i've seen lots of pages that suggest to use just dpkg-scanpackages and add deb file:// something |
| 22:15.24 | mc_fail | * to sources.list |
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| 22:17.34 | mc_fail | oh, dman it was my stupid mistake, i'd needed this file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 22:18.36 | Iridos | doev, easily? no. But have a look at http://lwn.net/Articles/572125/ and http://criu.org/Main_Page |
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| 22:21.51 | Iridos | doev, mind that the only packages for debian are in experimental ( /msg dpkg experimental ) |
| 22:22.26 | Iridos | wait, some got into testing? why then couldn't I seem them |
| 22:22.27 | Iridos | see* |
| 22:22.33 | Iridos | judd, versions criu |
| 22:22.34 | judd | No package named 'criu' was found in i386. |
| 22:23.16 | Iridos | oh, packages are only for the arm architecture |
| 22:23.38 | Iridos | nope amd64 and arm |
| 22:23.48 | Iridos | judd, --arch amd64 versions criu |
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| 22:24.00 | Iridos | judd, versions criu --arch amd64 |
| 22:24.01 | judd | Package: criu on amd64 -- sid: 1.3.1-1; jessie: 1.3.1-1; experimental: 1.4-1 |
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| 22:39.48 | doev | Iridos, thank you |
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| 22:40.38 | doev | try it tomorrow ... good n8 |
| 22:40.43 | Iridos | doev, so... one version in unstable, one in experimental |
| 22:40.51 | Iridos | doev, not sure you can use that on stable at all |
| 22:41.14 | Iridos | but... the bot can tell |
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| 22:42.19 | Iridos | judd, checkbackport criu |
| 22:42.30 | judd | Backporting package criu in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libprotobuf-c-dev. |
| 22:42.37 | Iridos | judd, checkbackport criu --arch amd64 |
| 22:42.38 | judd | Backporting package criu in sidâwheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libprotobuf-c-dev. |
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| 22:43.00 | Iridos | judd, checkbackport libprotobuf-c-dev --arch amd64 |
| 22:43.01 | judd | Backporting package libprotobuf-c-dev in sidâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 22:44.04 | Iridos | doev, seems you can backport it if you also backport that lib (but not sure what that library actually does/is and what might break if you backport it) |
| 22:44.21 | Iridos | dpkg, "/msg dpkg ssb" tomorrow if this is for stable :) |
| 22:44.21 | dpkg | Iridos: okay |
| 22:44.28 | Iridos | doev, "/msg dpkg ssb" tomorrow if this is for stable :) |
| 22:44.33 | Iridos | oh tab-fail |
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| 22:44.44 | Iridos | dpkg, forget "/msg dpkg ssb" tomorrow if this |
| 22:44.44 | dpkg | Iridos: i forgot "/msg dpkg ssb" tomorrow if this |
| 22:45.35 | doev | "Linux kernel v3.11 or newer is required" ... I should do a kernel update first. |
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| 22:46.45 | doev | http://www.criu.org/Installation |
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| 22:47.30 | Iridos | ha, right. |
| 22:47.41 | Iridos | probably this is more something for jessie than for wheezy |
| 22:47.51 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 22:47.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 22:48.25 | Iridos | although the kernel shouldn't be the problem |
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| 22:48.37 | rager | curious |
| 22:48.44 | doev | I never build a kernel by myself, but should be possible on wheezy to build a up to date kernel, not? |
| 22:48.59 | rager | why is systemd likened to the opening of a seal of the apocalypse? |
| 22:49.04 | Iridos | doev, wheezy-backports has 3.16.0... that's more than new enough |
| 22:49.13 | Iridos | doev, so no need to build a kernel |
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| 22:49.36 | rebelyouth | How to downgrade apache 2.4 to 2.2? |
| 22:49.37 | doev | ok, than learn to use an alternative kernel. |
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| 22:50.03 | doev | Iridos, I go to bed now. I take a look to it tomorrow. |
| 22:50.03 | Iridos | dpkg, tell doev about wheezy-backports |
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| 22:50.34 | OSVG | rager: Lots of people dislike it because they feel it's too intrusive and does too much. |
| 22:50.38 | Iridos | doev, it's just editing sources.list and doing a normal apt-get install *if* someone put the thing in backports. have a good night :) |
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| 22:50.57 | doev | thanks ... cu |
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| 22:52.56 | WangDang | Is entering copy mode the only way to access the history scrollback buffer in a screen session? That's all I can seem to find in the man page |
| 22:53.17 | chieftex | quick Q. I want to check the status of a service. (As root) I type "service --status-all" to get a list of services. Then, to see if one of those is on or off, I type "service --status [name of service]", but it doesn't do what I expect. Am I doing something wrong/stupid? |
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| 22:53.39 | Iridos | rager, I think reading some of the endless rants of people who dislike it by googling it will tell you much more than we can :) |
| 22:53.57 | rager | I guess more importantly |
| 22:54.01 | rager | should I care? |
| 22:54.21 | rager | from what I understand, there's a bit of distrust in the systemd team |
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| 22:54.47 | rager | or at least, people are disgruntled with them |
| 22:54.57 | Iridos | chieftex, try service [name of service] status (also try "man service" for further explanations) |
| 22:55.02 | rager | is there any real security concern with it? |
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| 22:55.28 | jhutchins | rager: Most major distros are going to it whatever the objections are. |
| 22:55.29 | Iridos | rager, do you mean worse than heartbleed? |
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| 22:56.06 | jhutchins | rager: There will be varying attempts to preserve SysV init in various distros, including #debian-fork. |
| 22:56.08 | chieftex | Iridos thank you, I will do some reading of "man service". but not in google, I think that'll bring up things no one wants to see... |
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| 22:57.12 | jhutchins | rager: There will probably be a point where enough essential projects have dropped SysV support that it's no-longer viable, but it's possible that enough problems will become visible with systemd that there is a return to SysV support. |
| 22:57.22 | Iridos | chieftex, I just see that "man service" is a bit useless... not very surprisingly, as the init-scripts itself can have different options and "service" just passes them on |
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| 22:58.10 | Iridos | chieftex, if you do /etc/init.d/[servicename] the script should tell you the commands it accepts... usually it's {start|stop|restart|force-reload|status} or a subset thereof |
| 22:58.21 | rager | thanks |
| 22:58.27 | chieftex | thanks again iridos |
| 22:58.36 | chieftex | reads up |
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| 23:00.04 | Iridos | rager, I think whatever security problem it may turn out to have... it'll probably have to be there for >10 years to be worse than heartbleed :P |
| 23:00.42 | rager | something doesn't have to be worse than heartbleed to be painful, though |
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| 23:03.03 | Iridos | I'm just saying that the worst pretty much has already happened... and that completely without systemd |
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| 23:08.44 | yoytutyu | s ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA ouaaaake les nibards ALA |
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| 23:08.46 | paultag | !ops yoytutyu |
| 23:08.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: paultag complains about: yoytutyu |
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| 23:18.13 | ByT3b0N3 | wtf |
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| 23:21.47 | crash_ | hmm |
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| 23:27.38 | sterns | anyone know why development stalled/stopped debtorrent and apt-torrent? |
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| 23:28.12 | sterns | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debtorrent |
| 23:28.23 | sterns | http://sianka.free.fr/spip.php?rubrique6 |
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| 23:31.12 | Iridos | guess you'd need to ask the guy who made it... |
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| 23:32.07 | Iridos | probably other things came up in life... it's hard to keep up interest in a project over many years... specially if it's only one person doing it |
| 23:32.24 | Iridos | (which I don't know but suspect for debtorrent) |
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| 23:33.06 | Iridos | and it's still working the way it was and nobody requesting new features really? |
| 23:33.15 | iateadonut | i'm wondering in what room to ask about auditctl if not this room. |
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| 23:33.33 | iateadonut | for auditctl and aureport, i'm wondering how i find more information about an 'event' |
| 23:33.49 | debarfly | this is kinda weird...i've been running squeeze for awhile and recently upgraded to wheezy, now my dvd drive tray keeps popping out and won't closed, any ideas? |
| 23:34.00 | iateadonut | i have something like this in my logs: 471. 01/07/2015 17:40:34 /var/export/ 2 yes /usr/sbin/php-fpm 0 1017063 |
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| 23:34.22 | iateadonut | that last number is the 'event' - i'm wondering how to find more info about that event, like what file triggered it. |
| 23:34.29 | Iridos | is auditctl part of the systemd stuff? |
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| 23:35.57 | Iridos | hm, apparently not |
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| 23:37.44 | Iridos | iateadonut, asking here is fine, but as it's a bit silent now, not a lot of answer might be forthcoming (but you never know) |
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| 23:38.15 | iateadonut | no, auditctl you have to install |
| 23:38.22 | iateadonut | but it's pretty neat and useful. |
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| 23:38.59 | iateadonut | we have a php process that is dumping information into csv's, and i can't figure out why. it's being dumped by php-fpm service, but i can't tell which file is telling it to dump it. |
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| 23:40.13 | iateadonut | so i just don't know what to do next Iridos |
| 23:40.52 | Iridos | if you know the process, you could strace it to see what config files it might use..... easier to search for the path it dumps in in all config files in /etc or guess what it might read, though |
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| 23:41.37 | Iridos | I have to go home... nearly 1am here. good luck |
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| 23:43.49 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 23:47.43 | iateadonut | Iridos - dumping to a file with strace - seems like it might give me some good info. |
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| 23:55.15 | ZZZZE3 | hello! adding user with adduser cant use X why? |
| 23:55.33 | ZZZZE3 | I create home directory and shell point to bash |
| 23:55.46 | ZZZZE3 | but the newer user cant login with xdm |
| 23:55.59 | abrotman | look for errors in $HOME |
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| 23:56.44 | ZZZZE3 | user test /home/test /bin/bash but the user cant use X window |
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| 23:57.24 | ZZZZE3 | what error look in $HOME |
| 23:57.33 | abrotman | !es |
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| 23:57.36 | ZZZZE3 | $HOME say /home/test |
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