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| 00:19.52 | faca | where is the use in boot, menu.lst or grub.cgf ? |
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| 00:28.09 | GuidovanPossum | hello, trying to netinst Jessie I got the basic system running without connecting to the internet so for, where I am has free wifi, but you have to visit 192.168.1.1 and then authenticate using a login/pass? |
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| 00:28.55 | GuidovanPossum | I do have another this computer that I can get on with, but I use iceweasel at the start to make it work |
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| 00:31.14 | MrSavage | How do I setup my /etc/init.d script to work with update-rc.d ? |
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| 00:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | babaw, it's normal that you cannot install anything else if you have broken dependencies, you have to fix those first... and for that you have to figure out what is wrong. But... it seems very weird that it seems to say that it cannot install libdvdnav4 but also that it's already installed |
| 00:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuidovanPossum, if there's a question in this that you want answered..... than what that question is hasn't become clear to me |
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| 00:39.20 | MrSavage | How can i get my /etc/init.d script to boot at startup? |
| 00:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | babaw, what does "dpkg -l libdvdnav4|grep libdvdnav4" say |
| 00:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrSavage, did you write it yourself? |
| 00:39.42 | MrSavage | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 00:40.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you start from the example in /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
| 00:40.24 | MrSavage | no |
| 00:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you may need to have a look at that... you need those headers, else the packaging system will complain... |
| 00:41.16 | MrSavage | ok |
| 00:41.18 | MrSavage | also brb |
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| 00:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and update-rc.d has a man-page if you want to use that to make the soft-links. |
| 00:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | as one doesn't switch around init-scripts on a daily basis... all I could do is read from that man-page to you |
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| 00:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 00:44.43 | GuidovanPossum | ok I'm trying to netinst and have free wifi |
| 00:44.53 | MrSavage | CutMeOwnThroat: what headers were you talking about? |
| 00:45.01 | MrSavage | you mean the environment variables? |
| 00:45.23 | GuidovanPossum | but until I enter a user/pass through a login website not the usual wifi pass style I can't access the ne |
| 00:45.27 | GuidovanPossum | net |
| 00:45.38 | MrSavage | CutMeOwnThroat: is it the commented stuff like # Default-start? |
| 00:46.55 | GuidovanPossum | I usually use Iceweasel to do this which is not included with the basic files in the netinst, so any ideas how I can connect and then run apt-get to get the rest of the packages I'm missing |
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| 00:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, we got a factoid on it... of course we do |
| 00:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell MrSavage about init.d |
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| 00:48.41 | MrSavage | ? |
| 00:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bot... it will have told you the factoid in a private message |
| 00:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuidovanPossum, oh... do you have X running at all? IIRC that's not part of the base-install either... have you checked for the text-browsers like lynx, links ? |
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| 00:51.22 | GuidovanPossum | thanks, I'll try and install lynx and see if I can login using that |
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| 00:51.54 | GuidovanPossum | I've never done it this way, but I could use dpkg to install Lynx after moving with a usb right? |
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| 00:53.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrSavage, more information at http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts (and if you in here /msg dpkg missing lsb tags ) |
| 00:53.46 | MrSavage | Ok |
| 00:53.49 | MrSavage | I'll try |
| 00:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuidovanPossum, yes... only if it has dependencies, it gets pretty tedious... |
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| 00:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuidovanPossum, you'd need to get all packages e.g. apt-get install links --print-uris gives you (but that command also needs the package database that is produced by apt-get update)... bit of a hen/egg or bootstrapping problem |
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| 00:55.52 | GuidovanPossum | yes, so you see the kind of trap I'm in |
| 00:56.26 | GuidovanPossum | now I'm wondering if I should do the dl the full install on this computer and start the install process over |
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| 00:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuidovanPossum, also... does wifi already work? Debian removed firmware for pretty much all wifi cards because the firmware is just some binary blob and hence not really "free software" (so they are in non-free, but not in main) |
| 00:57.39 | GuidovanPossum | it said that it worked at first, but not positive if it really did |
| 00:58.09 | MrSavage | CutMeOwnThroat: how can i add an option onto $DAEMON like start and stop? |
| 00:58.21 | MrSavage | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm trying to utilize a given script that has start and stop |
| 00:58.27 | GuidovanPossum | so then I still want to use a usb and have a 16GB one so it should be plenty big enough for full |
| 00:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wireless |
| 00:58.57 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 01:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuidovanPossum, CD1 should have most important software, including X... but not the non-free firmware... you need to figure out what your wireless is and then get the correct one. (there's a lot... if you have another machine you can do "apt-cache search firmware --names-only" to see what firmware exists ) |
| 01:02.18 | faca | grub-install /dev/fuckpen say : "grub-probe: error: cannot find a grub drive for /dev/mapper/md0_crypt. Check your device.map |
| 01:02.23 | faca | and ?????? |
| 01:02.58 | faca | howto installl ffffffff grub in new pen o new disk to boot this stupid server please help !!! i chroot now..... and read root ok.... |
| 01:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrSavage, look at the wiki and other information... or you can try your current init script as-is and fix problems when they occur |
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| 01:04.25 | GuidovanPossum | so could I install the packages from CD1 using the system that I currently set up if I dl and then move to that via usb? |
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| 01:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... |
| 01:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | GuidovanPossum, problem with debian is... the upgrades work |
| 01:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I only ever get to install a new system from scratch every decade or so :) |
| 01:08.51 | GuidovanPossum | I know this is new territory to me too |
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| 01:09.44 | GuidovanPossum | at least this part |
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| 01:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | the cd1 image should have most stuff |
| 01:11.13 | israel | Hi, does anyone know Jari Aalto? He is the maintainer of JWM and I have tried e-mailing multiple times to get an updated version in Debian. Is there anyone I can contact to find him? I don't want to report MIA in vain... |
| 01:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a couple of other solutions for machines that have no direct internet access, you can /msg dpkg apt-offline |
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| 01:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | israel, I think you'd have better chances of an answer to this in #debian-mentors over on irc.oftc.net. Also if you do have patches, that's the right place to find a sponsor for an non-maintainer upload |
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| 01:14.29 | israel | CutMeOwnThroat thank you I will check there! |
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| 01:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | israel, and from seeing how many people are active in here... asking at a different time of day may work quite a bit better (or just have a lot of patience) |
| 01:20.57 | pingfloyd | Sponsor? Sounds like AA |
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| 01:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | alcoholics anonymous! |
| 01:30.32 | Vroomfondle | automobile association, thankyou |
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| 01:52.08 | ROG3R_ | why does my debian freeze here and then ? any way to fix it ? |
| 01:52.13 | ROG3R_ | why does my debian freeze here and then ? any way to fix it ? |
| 01:53.22 | pingfloyd | 3 times isn't a charm |
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| 02:19.57 | VectorMan2000 | what app in linux/unix do you use to backup or increment backups of linux or is there one? |
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| 02:22.03 | dvs | amanda |
| 02:22.53 | ArtVandalae | I use BackupPC. rsnapshot and duplicity are also very good. |
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| 02:44.31 | GuidovanPossum | now, when I try to install off of Jessie CDiso1I get a boot/grub/theme/1:3:4 missing separator after "_d" and then when I go to install I get "invalid magic number" |
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| 02:47.38 | sydney | GuidovanPossum: You may have to wait a tad, its quiet in here nw. |
| 02:47.38 | sydney | now* |
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| 02:48.39 | GuidovanPossum | ok I'm on about a 12 hour attempt at installing, I might just have to wait until I have a direct ethernet connection in a few days |
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| 03:39.22 | tyler92 | Hey guys, if I have a directory with like 298984 files in it and I want to search for a single name out of the bunch, what do you recommend? |
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| 03:42.22 | sydney | tyler92: gnome-search-tool. |
| 03:43.09 | jordanm | find |
| 03:44.16 | rryoumaa | locate |
| 03:44.26 | rryoumaa | (as long as we're enumerating) |
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| 03:50.56 | DeaDSouL | I've installed xbmc on debian server without any display manager or desktop gui.... when i try to play music or movie with xbmc... there is no sound |
| 03:51.04 | DeaDSouL | should I install something? |
| 03:51.08 | DeaDSouL | for the sound |
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| 03:53.24 | DeaDSouL | hello |
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| 03:54.25 | sydney | DeaDSouL: Cool, you installed xmbc :) |
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| 04:04.56 | faca | re |
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| 04:08.27 | DeaDSouL | sydney: yes, I did ,, and it worked the way i wanted it to,,, without any DMs or GUIa ;) |
| 04:09.29 | DeaDSouL | sydney: just configuring it now... but the existing version in the repos very old,, and it is out-dated :( |
| 04:11.40 | faca | hi, i have a lot problems . (livecd chroot to produccion root).. 1) sysresccd:/var/cache/apt# apt-get remove --purge grub-common ...... blablabla ... and apt-get try execute stupitddddddd install initfram blabala,. HOWTO FORCE delete grub, delete kernel image, delete iniramfs ??? |
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| 04:12.27 | sydney | faca: Reinstall? |
| 04:13.13 | sydney | Boy, we are debians consumer service department you'd think. ;) |
| 04:13.19 | sydney | :) |
| 04:13.54 | faca | sydney, it is a long long problem.... write now i need up NOW production server. /boot erase alll and wrote now cp all root (Crypt, mdadm etc...) to NO crypt NO mdadm partition... |
| 04:14.19 | faca | sydney, i need install CLEAN imagen kernel, execute initramfs and grub. |
| 04:14.41 | sydney | Oh boy. |
| 04:14.43 | faca | sorry for my english, is very bad |
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| 04:15.40 | faca | help please :( |
| 04:16.28 | sydney | faca: Right now is the quiet time of the day, so you may have to wait a little while. As for me, i dont know how to help you. |
| 04:16.37 | sydney | Im not geeky enough ;) |
| 04:17.13 | faca | ok |
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| 04:19.04 | furrywolf | how do you force removal of a broken package? gnuradio won't install or uninstall. it seems to be a known bug, and as I have no use for gnuradio right now, I might as well just remove it... |
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| 04:20.45 | sydney | furrywolf: If apt-get remove doesnt do it, i dont know what will. |
| 04:21.06 | sydney | Maybe someone else has some tips. |
| 04:22.10 | furrywolf | apt-get remove doesn't do it. :) |
| 04:22.56 | sydney | Odd. |
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| 04:25.00 | furrywolf | yes. which is why I'm asking... |
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| 04:34.35 | furrywolf | upgrading to the backports version installed correctly. |
| 04:35.15 | furrywolf | on a slightly related issue, this is my first box with a ssd... holy $#@ is it faster! |
| 04:35.34 | furrywolf | packages install in a fraction of a second, instead of several seconds. |
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| 04:36.01 | sydney | furrywolf: Cool, you have one too now :) |
| 04:36.05 | sydney | I dont yet. |
| 04:36.13 | sydney | Im saving... |
| 04:36.22 | faca | for what reason don't work apt in chroot ? |
| 04:36.35 | faca | apt-get update |
| 04:36.41 | faca | for example |
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| 04:37.56 | DeaDSouL | furrywolf: apt-get install --fix-broken |
| 04:38.09 | Shadow_7 | faca: in a chroot you tend to share /proc/ and /dev/ and things on the chroot tie those up in a way you have to disable them on the host system to unmount the chroot. |
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| 04:40.04 | furrywolf | deadsoul: it's not the dependencies that are broken, it's the scripts included with the package. |
| 04:40.40 | furrywolf | sydney: it's new a new box by any means... an old core2duo 2ghz... but I decided I wanted a nice drive for it. |
| 04:41.28 | Shadow_7 | the hp stream 11 is "new" and only has a dual core 2.58GHz cpu. |
| 04:41.42 | furrywolf | this one is from 2007ish. heh. |
| 04:41.49 | Shadow_7 | technically 2.16GHz and tubros to 2.58GHz |
| 04:42.20 | Shadow_7 | my hp stream 11 replaces my amd64 x2 desktop from 2007 |
| 04:42.37 | furrywolf | can't afford things newer than 2007 |
| 04:42.49 | Shadow_7 | the hp stream 11 is $200-ish |
| 04:43.15 | furrywolf | as I said. heh. |
| 04:43.21 | Shadow_7 | computation equivalent to 6 raspberry pi's... and the price point fits |
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| 04:44.18 | Shadow_7 | a bit budgeted myself these days |
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| 04:44.57 | dirtyman | are haswell's drivers included with the latest version of debian stable? |
| 04:45.21 | Shadow_7 | splurged on some usb HDDs (toshiba). To avoid spending on SDHC cards. Since using the HDDs frees up a couple SDHC cards |
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| 04:46.04 | dirtyman | did you say that to me? |
| 04:46.34 | Shadow_7 | don't know about haswell... my chipset is atoms |
| 04:46.49 | dirtyman | atom... |
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| 04:47.10 | Shadow_7 | dual core so hard to call it just atom |
| 04:47.51 | Shadow_7 | cpufreq and tidbits fail of you're not on a recent kernel... 3.16+ |
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| 04:48.02 | Shadow_7 | aka jessie+ |
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| 04:48.59 | faca | Shadow_7, and now.... install kernel 3.2 and FAILD, gooodddddddd kill world !!! , write now say update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 04:49.00 | faca | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 04:49.03 | Shadow_7 | 3.2.x thinks I have 3.1GHz dual core... 3.18.1 thinks I have 2.58GHz dual core... |
| 04:49.38 | Shadow_7 | 3.16 from jessie things 600MHz min speed... 3.18.1 500MHz min |
| 04:50.25 | Shadow_7 | faca: I have the rtl8723be chipset |
| 04:50.41 | Shadow_7 | faca: have to compile the module from github for rtlwifi_new |
| 04:51.01 | Shadow_7 | faca: plus apt-get install the firmware-realtek |
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| 04:51.38 | faca | Shadow_7, and now the user install separate firmware to any card, it is a stupid think |
| 04:51.46 | faca | Shadow_7, thanks |
| 04:52.35 | Shadow_7 | although my wifi gets drowned out by most other wifi in proximity. bought an apple mc704zm/a usb to ethernet to not have to deal with it |
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| 05:03.27 | faca | Shadow_7, sorry, this line is ok ? o replace dev to a uuid... is ok ? UUID=ad5dea57-03ca-4bc2-8acf-7cef1f3d36b6/ext4errors=remount-ro01 in fstab |
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| 05:04.47 | aaa801 | How can i resolve this, i guess im missing a keyset or something? §4§l is showing as ??4??l |
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| 05:07.22 | faca | Shadow_7, W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r8169 :( i execute apt-get install firmmware-real... |
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| 05:07.46 | faca | this card is a most comun in the world and linux kernel problem with it.. pfffff |
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| 05:13.12 | kristijonas | Hello, i need to install 'linux-headers-`uname -r`', but I get an error: 'Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.32-042stab102.8. Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-2.6.32-042stab102' |
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| 05:17.44 | hagb4rd | hi. i have closed a remote terminal last time without closing some running processes in the bg using nohup. welly well.. that works fine. but now when i open a new terminal i can't find them with ps nor jobs. i figured out ps -x shows "processes without controlling ttys".. and here's my question: can i regain control over that lost processes again.. and how? |
| 05:18.52 | hagb4rd | ps -x shows them all.. in fact they still exist :) |
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| 05:29.11 | DeaDSouL | in the booting process.. kernel said: [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. .... so i installed the firmware-linux-nonfree....... now the graphics-card temp. is 67.5C and the CPU is 65.5C ... and I'm doing nothing !! just a black console with no gui or DM ..... before I installed that nonfree my CPU was in |
| 05:29.12 | DeaDSouL | 40s .... any ideas ? |
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| 05:30.04 | DeaDSouL | before installing * |
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| 05:31.08 | danishanish_ | Hey guys! How would I get a list of deleted/installed packages? |
| 05:32.32 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 05:32.32 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename". |
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| 05:35.10 | danishanish_ | is there a way to get deleted packages? |
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| 05:43.45 | linuxuz3r | deleted or uninstalled? |
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| 05:48.30 | DeaDSouL | in the booting process.. kernel said: [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. .... so i installed the firmware-linux-nonfree....... now the graphics-card temp. is 67.5C and the CPU is 65.5C ... and I'm doing nothing !! just a black console with no gui or DM ..... before installing the nonfree my CPU was in 40s |
| 05:48.30 | DeaDSouL | .... any ideas ? |
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| 05:48.58 | karlpinc | It's disturbing that I hear of a (albeit low severity) openssl bug from slashdot rather than a debian security upgrade. I don't know what the timestamp on this http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150108.txt is, but it seems enough hours ago that somebody should have been on top of releasing a fix. (Assuming that debian was notified ahead of time. Wouldn't it be?) |
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| 05:50.40 | karlpinc | DeaDSouL: Isn't there a radeon update in wheezy proposed-updates, one that's free? Dunno, but I recall something radeon-ish. Maybe try that? |
| 05:51.41 | DeaDSouL | karlpinc: didn't check... I just installed the non-free since the kernel says so :P |
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| 05:51.50 | karlpinc | DeaDSouL: (If it's non-free, you probably need to talk with Nvidia about the problem. It's not clear that Debian can do anything. ?) |
| 05:52.40 | DeaDSouL | karlpinc: its radeon actually |
| 05:52.43 | DeaDSouL | :D |
| 05:52.57 | karlpinc | DeaDSouL: If you want modesetting. (I imagine you do. I believe that's what adjusts resolution. On the other hand, if it's a laptop perhaps it's just set already at the screen resolution. |
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| 05:53.55 | DeaDSouL | karlpinc: I don't care about the resolution .. it's just a server with xbmc |
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| 05:56.44 | karlpinc | DeaDSouL: Perhaps the right video driver must be installed? |
| 05:57.47 | DeaDSouL | karlpinc: how can i know which driver is installed ? and what are my choices ? |
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| 05:58.52 | karlpinc | DeaDSouL: You'd do something like "aptitude search ~ivideo" to search for installed video drivers. |
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| 05:59.27 | karlpinc | DeaDSouL: As for knowing what you need type "/msg dpkg pciid" here and follow the instructions the bot sends you in a pm. |
| 05:59.33 | kristijonas | hello, linux headers didn't install for me (Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.32-042stab102.8. Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-2.6.32-042stab102'), i downloaded the package manually and installed it (linux-headers-2.6.32-openvz-042stab102.8-amd64_1_amd64.deb), but compiling freepbx is still unlucky. When I try to compile and install install DAHDI, i get: 'You do not appear to have sources for 2.6.32-042stab1 |
| 05:59.33 | kristijonas | 02.8 kernel installed.' |
| 06:00.40 | karlpinc | kristijonas: That does not look like a debian kernal package name. |
| 06:01.04 | DeaDSouL | karlpinc: the aptitude ~ivideo ... gave me many packages... are thay all installed ?? |
| 06:01.25 | karlpinc | DeaDSouL: Probably. I think the stock install handles all sorts of hardware. |
| 06:01.28 | kristijonas | karlpinc, i use Debian Wheezy, but it's on a VPS. |
| 06:01.51 | DeaDSouL | karlpinc: ok.. they're all for x org server |
| 06:02.33 | karlpinc | kristijonas: Your provider is probably providing the kernel then. Perhaps they have a repo with a kernel headers package for your use? |
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| 06:03.20 | superrorc | hit here! |
| 06:03.26 | superrorc | is this OpenSSL Security Advisory [08 Jan 2015] patched? |
| 06:03.31 | superrorc | https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20150108.txt |
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| 06:04.10 | kristijonas | karlpinc, I don't know, probably they don't have a repo, but anyways, i found it, downloaded, and installed it. |
| 06:04.12 | karlpinc | superrorc: I was just commenting on that. I don't see anything, but have not looked at packages.debian.org to see if maybe there's something there that has not yet hit the repos. |
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| 06:04.41 | superrorc | will waiting... |
| 06:05.01 | Melissa__ | Does debootstrap destroy data? |
| 06:05.11 | karlpinc | kristijonas: Ah yes, didn't notice. But your error message indicates it wants more than headers, it wants kernel sources. |
| 06:05.39 | Melissa__ | If I have an important directory /mnt/important and I run debootstrap wheezy /mnt, will that keep the directory intact? |
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| 06:07.57 | kristijonas | karlpinc, I followed every step on how to install freepbx, i only had to install linux-headers-`uname -r`, since it failed, i downloaded and installed linux-headers-2.6.32-openvz-042stab102.8-amd64_1_amd64.deb, so maybe the issue is with the package name? |
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| 06:09.26 | karlpinc | superrorc: I see the fix in unstable. Perhaps because of the severity level it will take time to work it's way through to release. All the same, shouldn't debian have been notified earlier of the problem? If so shouldn't there be a fix ready? |
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| 06:10.46 | superrorc | its not critical, but want it asap |
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| 06:10.49 | karlpinc | kristijonas: You can't install any old linux headers, they have to match your running kernel. |
| 06:11.25 | karlpinc | superrorc: backport it yourself. See "/msg dpkg ssb". |
| 06:11.34 | kristijonas | karlpinc, my running kernel is '2.6.32-042stab102.8' |
| 06:11.43 | superrorc | i have backports in my apt source |
| 06:11.50 | superrorc | and how can i instaled it? |
| 06:11.57 | superrorc | install* |
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| 06:12.16 | karlpinc | superrorc: Backporting it yourself is not the same as getting something from backports. Follow the bot's instructions. |
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| 06:12.56 | superrorc | thanks |
| 06:15.02 | kristijonas | karlpinc, but since 'apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`' failed (linux-headers-2.6.32-042stab102.8 not found), I downloaded 'linux-headers-2.6.32-openvz-042stab102.8-amd64_1_amd64.deb' and installed it from openvz website. |
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| 06:18.10 | superrorc | karlpinc: "/msg dpkg backports caveat " sad " Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. " |
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| 07:38.26 | superrorc | is it possible to connect to ssh on boot? |
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| 07:38.44 | superrorc | some bash script is my choise? |
| 07:40.11 | HashMelt | is it possible that SSH has not been backdoored by the NSA? |
| 07:40.20 | HashMelt | tl:dr jews |
| 07:41.02 | superrorc | HashMelt: NSA have zer0day for openssl |
| 07:41.18 | superrorc | they about 3 yers decryp https |
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| 07:45.13 | HashMelt | was not aware that SSH used openSSL |
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| 07:50.00 | HashMelt | The key can be used for certification and signing, but not for encryption. |
| 07:50.20 | HashMelt | what is this?!! |
| 07:50.33 | HashMelt | i thought I can sign with DSA keys |
| 07:50.38 | HashMelt | and encrypt |
| 07:50.43 | HashMelt | I used to do it fine |
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| 08:02.04 | aphorise | which package is "scp" in? |
| 08:02.13 | ArtVandalae | openssh-clients, probably |
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| 08:02.37 | aphorise | Isnt that in red-hat :-p |
| 08:02.47 | ArtVandalae | apt-file search /usr/bin/scp , confirms it |
| 08:05.44 | aphorise | ArtVandalae thanks |
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| 10:08.11 | jelly | kristijonas: you can't manipulate and load kernel modules in an openvz container vps, your vps shares the kernel with other containers and only the people controlling the host OS are able to load extra kernel modules. |
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| 10:09.18 | kristijonas | jelly, I don't know what a kernel module is, but I wanted to installed freepbx. |
| 10:09.25 | kristijonas | install* |
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| 10:10.16 | jelly | kristijonas: your software seems to need custom kernel drivers. You can't do that with openvz. Find different hosting, either full virtualization or a physical machine |
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| 10:12.12 | ArtVandalae | kristijonas, FreePBX, including Asterisk? I imagine it's DAHDI (the kernel module that interfaces with physical telephony hardware). Unless you're interfacing with telephony hardware, you don't need DAHDI |
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| 10:12.34 | kristijonas | jelly, i already installed it, by downloading linux-headers from openvz and editing makefile for my software. |
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| 10:12.46 | ArtVandalae | Asterisk actually has it listed as "suggested", https://packages.debian.org/jessie/asterisk |
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| 10:14.05 | kristijonas | ArtVandalae, yes, FreePBX, including Asterisk, and I just followed these steps: http://wiki.freepbx.org/display/HTGS/Installing+FreePBX+on+Debian+Wheezy |
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| 10:35.00 | iAdam1n | how do I fix this? Err http://ftp.de.debian.org wheezy/contrib amd64 Packages 406 Not Acceptable Err http://ftp.de.debian.org wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages 406 Not Acceptable |
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| 10:35.33 | rozie | iAdam1n: choose/check another repo |
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| 10:35.48 | rozie | I'd use http://http.debian.net/ |
| 10:35.51 | iAdam1n | ok |
| 10:35.57 | iAdam1n | what's the file to edit again? |
| 10:36.22 | iAdam1n | nvm |
| 10:36.30 | rozie | just read http://http.debian.net/ |
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| 11:57.39 | superrorc | how can i rediret like this " ping google.com > ./tmp.txt " in bash sript? |
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| 11:58.12 | Cooleshov | sh ping |
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| 11:58.54 | superrorc | put name of shell befor comand? |
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| 12:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | superrorc, just the way you did... you just need to tell ping to stop pinging after a certain amount of pings |
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| 12:00.57 | superrorc | CutMeOwnThroat: need redirect output of other cli tool |
| 12:01.05 | superrorc | thanks why asking |
| 12:01.58 | superrorc | http://paste.debian.net/plain/140012 this not works |
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| 12:02.11 | ironm | Hello. Short question: How can I recursively download sources of all dependency packages after running "sudo apt-get source nginx" |
| 12:02.14 | ironm | Build-Depends: autotools-dev, debhelper (>= 9), dh-systemd (>= 1.5), dpkg-dev (>= 1.15.5), libexpat-dev, libgd2-dev | libgd2-noxpm-dev, libgeoip-dev, liblua5.1-0-dev, libmhash-dev, libpam0g-dev, libpcre3-dev, libperl-dev, libssl-dev, libxslt1-dev, po-debconf, zlib1g-dev |
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| 12:02.30 | ironm | thank you in advance for your kindly hints |
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| 12:04.26 | superrorc | ironm: this "apt-get -y install build-essential zlib1g-dev libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libbz2-dev libssl-dev tar unzip" |
| 12:04.34 | tremon | superrorc: nc outputs diagnostic information to stderr, not stdout |
| 12:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | superrorc, nmap does what you're trying to script ... and your problem there is that netcat writes on stderr instead of stdout so you'd need something like >> somefile 2>&1 |
| 12:05.21 | tremon | ironm: ise apt-get build-dep |
| 12:05.26 | tremon | s/ise/use/ |
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| 12:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, he wants the sources, not the binaries... |
| 12:05.43 | superrorc | CutMeOwnThroat: know about nmap, thanks with nc! |
| 12:06.19 | ironm | superrorc and tremon - thanks a lot. I guess this command will install those dependencies .. I would like go build them myself from their sources |
| 12:06.19 | tremon | ah. So it seems. I don't think that's included in apt's capabilities |
| 12:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironm, there's a tool in debian that tries to get all dependencies that aren't already fulfilled and build from them... |
| 12:06.42 | ironm | CutMeOwnThroat, exactly .. something like that |
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| 12:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | when I tried it about a decade ago it didn't really impress me though |
| 12:07.15 | superrorc | ironm: u can add nginx repo and intall new version witn apt |
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| 12:07.36 | ironm | I would refer first to download all sources, have a look inside .. and after create all .deb packages |
| 12:07.46 | superrorc | cool |
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| 12:08.28 | ironm | superrorc, I want to build .deb for ARM (odroid-U3 and odroid-XU boards) |
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| 12:08.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | now if I can remember the name... then I'l tell you :P |
| 12:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironm, but there's a lot of crossbuilding-tools in debian... |
| 12:08.51 | ironm | thank you CutMeOwnThroat ;) |
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| 12:10.16 | ironm | superrorc, before building .deb packages I would like to check some .c files |
| 12:10.31 | ironm | and possibly modify them |
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| 12:10.50 | superrorc | ironm: i see ) dont like this small irong things - prefer virtualize it) |
| 12:11.08 | katr0 | Hi, I have installed some testing packages on a wheezy (stable) system is there a way to keep track of their updates? |
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| 12:12.25 | inerkick | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironm, right now I only see apt-src... |
| 12:12.34 | ironm | tremon, is there maybe an option like: "apt-get build-dep <package>" download all sources only without installing them? |
| 12:12.36 | inerkick | how to do it |
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| 12:12.55 | ironm | CutMeOwnThroat, great .. let me check the man page |
| 12:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was thinking of something else, though... but don't seem to be able to find it |
| 12:13.29 | tremon | ironm: there is apt-get --download-only, but it won't help you, as build-dep will download the binary deps, not the sources |
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| 12:14.21 | dalvids | Regarding apt, I have a machine with no internet access, but I wanna know what packages need a sec update |
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| 12:14.35 | tremon | inerkick: search the 'net on modifying ps1 |
| 12:14.35 | ironm | tremon, it must work recursively .. I can write a script bot I didn't want to invent the wheel again myself |
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| 12:14.39 | dalvids | Is there a way to know automatically? |
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| 12:15.06 | Guest67544 | dalvids: do apt-get update from an online machine, then cp -R /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 12:15.16 | ironm | but |
| 12:15.42 | Guest67544 | dalvids: or follow the security mailing list |
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| 12:16.24 | Guest67544 | dalvids: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 12:17.02 | dalvids | Guest67544, I'll try the first, I need something automatic |
| 12:17.14 | dalvids | Thx! |
| 12:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironm, "srcinst" ... |
| 12:18.03 | ironm | CutMeOwnThroat, I have to check if I have them on the AMR system |
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| 12:19.27 | inerkick | if i access internet or connect to wifi will it reflect the same tremon |
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| 12:19.49 | ironm | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't have them there :( |
| 12:19.55 | Guest67544 | is there an official guide on upgrading kernel from backports? Can't find it via google or dpkg bot |
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| 12:20.13 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 12:20.13 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 12:20.36 | Guest67544 | thanks SynrG !! |
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| 12:21.54 | ironm | CutMeOwnThroat, apt-src_0.25.1-0.2.dsc |
| 12:22.15 | SynrG | np |
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| 12:22.33 | ironm | hi SynrG ... happy new year |
| 12:22.45 | SynrG | ironm: happy new year! |
| 12:23.23 | ironm | tnx :) |
| 12:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironm, the one that tries the recursive builds is called "srcinst" |
| 12:23.49 | ironm | I can find such package for debian |
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| 12:24.13 | ironm | E: Unable to locate package srcinst |
| 12:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... it's been removed |
| 12:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=srcinst&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 12:25.00 | ironm | *ohm* ... pool/universe/s/srcinst/srcinst_0.8.10ubuntu1.dsc |
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| 12:25.31 | ironm | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe there is another tool .. a kind of replacement |
| 12:25.37 | ironm | for debian |
| 12:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, as I said... it didn't work too well and not so many people seemed to have interest in it... |
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| 12:26.48 | ironm | I could try to use the old one from ubuntu repository |
| 12:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironm, you can have a look at its source package from debian squeeze... |
| 12:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch... haskell |
| 12:27.34 | ironm | is it written in haskell ? |
| 12:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and python apparently |
| 12:27.54 | ironm | not quite my case ;) |
| 12:27.59 | ironm | I mean haskell |
| 12:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, tell a lie, just haskell |
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| 12:31.38 | hikenboot | anyone in here ever work with remastering gparted live ? I have some chroot questions |
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| 12:39.30 | SynrGy | hikenboot: off-topic. if you want to construct a custom debian-live image including gparted, however, use live-build. it is supported on #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:40.43 | SynrGy | hikenboot: also, to get started, see http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/ |
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| 12:43.37 | hikenboot | thanks SynrGy |
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| 12:44.43 | irssii | Hello, in my file /var/log/auth.log I have many line "January 10 12:40:10 system su [17636]: pam_unix (su: session): session ouvert for user root by user (uid = 0) "But the root crontab is empty, then where do these lines? thx |
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| 12:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | irssii, cron.daily/hourly? |
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| 12:47.25 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 12:47.50 | Nebukadneza | i have here a debian testing machine that hasn't been upgraded for a long long time -- now aptitude full-upgrade's stuck in resolving dependencies to a point where the machine OOM-dies |
| 12:47.54 | Nebukadneza | what can i do to still upgrade? |
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| 12:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems a bit too late now... how long is a "long time" |
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| 12:50.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably should have tried upgading to stable or oldstable... whatever distribution was made out of that testing |
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| 12:51.08 | deuterium | hi, 'apt-get upgrade' upgraded quite many critical packages today on my debian stable/wheezy server.. what's up? |
| 12:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nebukadneza, oh, and apt-get often works a lot better because it doesn't try to do the convoluted dependency-resolving that aptitude tries to do (but see also what I said above) |
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| 12:51.45 | deuterium | all due to 7.1wheezy7 => 7.1wheezy8 ? |
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| 12:53.19 | ironm | CutMeOwnThroat, apt-src install nginx; cd nginx-1.2.1; apt-src build nginx |
| 12:53.41 | deuterium | e.g. apache was also upgraded.. and base-files, binutils, clamav, libc-dev, ... |
| 12:53.53 | deuterium | was quite a bit shocked |
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| 12:53.59 | Nebukadneza | CutMeOwnThroat: that's an idea |
| 12:54.05 | Nebukadneza | "a long time" is probably around 1.5 years ;[ |
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| 12:56.19 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 12:56.19 | ShapeShifter499 | does anyone here know how I can remote desktop to another debian system using a powerpc system as a client? |
| 12:56.41 | Nebukadneza | CutMeOwnThroat: but trying to half-upgrade-half-downgrade to stable sounds like a good last-resort to try when |
| 12:56.44 | deuterium | particularly as the apache upgrade didn't just run through seamlessly.. it _stopped_ the server and asked what to do with ports.conf and apache.conf and just waited for an input .. so our main web server would have been down for quite some time if i didn't notice the whole thing happening |
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| 12:59.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nebukadneza, my point was... if you have a testing from 3 years back... that testing will have become wheezy-stable by now, so as your packages are from a wheezy-testing, you should then never try to upgrade to current jessie-testing but you should have tried to upgrade to wheezy which is based on the testing from back then... but it depends from when your testing is |
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| 13:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ShapeShifter499, vnc? |
| 13:00.40 | ShapeShifter499 | CutMeOwnThroat, I was hopping there was a nx powerpc solution I had missed |
| 13:00.45 | katr0 | once again is it possible to track and upgrade the testing packages on a stable system? |
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| 13:00.51 | ShapeShifter499 | I want audio support if possible |
| 13:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | deuterium, likely... you can aptitude changelog <yourpackage> to see what the changes in each are (or, as they are installed anyway, you can look in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog* |
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| 13:01.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | katr0, that question doesn't make any sense to me |
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| 13:02.55 | ShapeShifter499 | CutMeOwnThroat, if I understand it Remmina has a nx plugin and should work on powerpc |
| 13:03.19 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm |
| 13:03.20 | Quatroking | what's a nice CLI application for formatting drives? |
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| 13:03.24 | ShapeShifter499 | I guess I have to reinstall debian to test this out |
| 13:03.45 | katr0 | CutMeOwnThroat: Say that I have installed a package from the testing repo on a wheezy system is it possible to upgrade this testing package? (I hope that is better rephrased) |
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| 13:04.19 | tremon | Quatroking: formatting partitions is done with the various mkfs.* tools. What do you mean with "nice"? |
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| 13:06.07 | Quatroking | i normally use gparted but i'm working off ssh |
| 13:06.09 | Quatroking | with nice i mean one that's not designed for non-humans, pretty much |
| 13:06.09 | Quatroking | i don't know, one that just does the job really well? |
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| 13:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | katr0, you shouldn't install testing packages in wheezy... because doing so is a really good way to get a mess. if you need a newer version of a package, that's what backports are for... /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:09.01 | katr0 | CutMeOwnThroat: Backports miss many upgraded packages |
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| 13:10.03 | katr0 | CutMeOwnThroat: many backport packages are not even close to backports |
| 13:10.04 | axel_fly | bumblee is cool. but it does not work with some steam gmes. where is the problem? steam or bumblebee |
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| 13:11.05 | katr0 | I was wondering how the people really upgrade their testing packages. I guess there lot of people using testing packages in stable. |
| 13:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | katr0, you didn't /msg dpkg simple sid backport (as the backports-factoid suggests), did you |
| 13:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I guess apt-src might be able to track them, but I haven't used that |
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| 13:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | katr0, probably some... and then they come in here and say "oh, my system broke, I have all those broken dependencies and the upgrade doesnt work and blablabla" |
| 13:12.54 | tremon | katr0: there isn't that many, hopefully. Most people prefer manually backporting packages to risking system breakage |
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| 13:13.30 | katr0 | Hm.. so they only way is to build from source? |
| 13:13.53 | katr0 | "safe way" |
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| 13:14.02 | tremon | if the packages you need are not in wheezy-backports, then yes |
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| 13:16.01 | deuterium | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
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| 13:17.01 | tremon | katr0: the unsafe way is to set apt::default-release "wheezy" in apt.conf.d, and add both stable and testing lines to your sources.list. But you'll be running a configuration that no one has tested and was never intended to be mixed like that |
| 13:17.29 | tremon | !tell katr0 about frankendebian |
| 13:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | katr0, yes... and for completeness... as an answer to your original question, pinning exists for something like 15-20 years in debian... and you *can* still use it for the purpose you asked for, but it's the "non-safe way" and we don't suggest it because it's too likely to create a mess |
| 13:18.11 | katr0 | thx tremon CutMeOwnThroat that cleared up some things |
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| 13:18.34 | katr0 | I do apt-pinning but I was always seeking for a better way to handle upgrades.. |
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| 13:20.36 | katr0 | and I guess then the updates are being tracked for the deb-src as well? |
| 13:20.59 | tremon | if you add the relevant deb-src lines then yes. But they're not mandatory |
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| 13:33.15 | katr0 | weird I can't find any documentation online about the way proposed by 'dpkg backports' |
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| 13:33.52 | katr0 | I don't get it how the src packages are being tracked for upgrades.. |
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| 13:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | katr0, the source package versions are updated in the normal way by apt-get update, the binary packages you made from them are not tracked/updated... but you can have a look at the apt-src package for that |
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| 13:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but I have already said, I haven't used that) |
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| 13:37.46 | katr0 | CutMeOwnThroat: are you running testing? |
| 13:38.48 | katr0 | is this maybe the "safe way" to go if you need to support pkg upgrades ? |
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| 13:40.00 | katr0 | Maybe we should update the Debian handbook about testing repos (frankenstein, etc..) http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html |
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| 13:40.48 | katr0 | It is really very confusing for users that would like to use a package that is not included in backports and to be honest most of the doc online suggests to add the testing repo with some apt-pinning |
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| 13:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am running stable... but as jessie has been frozen for a month now, I actually want to upgrade to testing to help doing some bug-squashing... it'S mainly time constraints that I haven'T |
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| 13:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | katr0, dunno, I seem to very rarely need packages newer than stable |
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| 13:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and basically it seems to me to be like this: if you can stick to the packages in debian-stable, you have a pretty much carefree system on which you can do actual work |
| 13:44.11 | tremon | katr0: none of those "docs" are debian references though. As you can also see in the debian handbook, you can run either "stable" or run "testing with/without unstable" |
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| 13:48.36 | katr0 | "Those using backports, or backporting packages themselves, should remember that security updates are no longer automatic!" |
| 13:49.20 | katr0 | That answer my original question about upgrades.. (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware) |
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| 13:50.32 | katr0 | So if you want to have newer version of packages on your system than stable you should handle the update of the packages yourself.. |
| 13:51.10 | katr0 | Maybe this is why many of the resources online recommend adding the testing repo and pinning. |
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| 13:51.39 | tremon | testing doesn't have security updates either |
| 13:51.58 | katr0 | tremon: but it has updates |
| 13:52.11 | tremon | or at least, not timely. security upgrades enter testing with the same 10-day delay as feature upgrades |
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| 13:53.04 | katr0 | I was hoping on an option to updated only the testing packages that need upgrade.. |
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| 13:54.44 | tremon | all solutions for getting packages from outside Debian stable have the same problem with that: only Debian stable has a separate process for managing security updates |
| 13:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, pinning does that... but as we pointed out, it's prone to make a mess... I also think you can do the same using apt-src... but as I said that twice already I guess I don't need to say it more often. |
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| 13:55.56 | tremon | both wheezy-backports and testing do provide updates and they are pulled automatically. But neither has an official security channel so updates may not be timely |
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| 13:59.37 | aipheeV3 | attempting to change iceweasel default homepage in debian wheezy by adding line to /usr/share/iceweasel/browser/defaults/syspref/iceweasel.js: pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://example.org/"); but iceweasel does not show any home page, not even the normal iceweasel branded one. any ideas? |
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| 14:00.51 | tremon | aipheeV3: use /etc/iceweasel, not /usr/share. Files in /usr will get overwritten on package upgrade |
| 14:00.56 | TheQuestionmark | Huh... I have a working owncloud now but whenever I try accessing it via midori, it gives me 'SSL handshake failed'. Where to fix that? |
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| 14:01.19 | aipheeV3 | root@debian:~# ls -lh /usr/share/iceweasel/browser/defaults/syspref |
| 14:01.19 | aipheeV3 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Mar 19 2014 /usr/share/iceweasel/browser/defaults/syspref -> /etc/iceweasel/pref |
| 14:01.41 | tremon | oh well :) |
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| 14:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, wasn't there a project to provide security updates for testing? |
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| 14:03.13 | katr0 | TheQuestionmark: I guess you should check owncloud configuration for that or ask them directly |
| 14:03.23 | katr0 | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 14:03.26 | aipheeV3 | a web search suggested that iceweasel may not like the same preference being defined multiple times |
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| 14:04.44 | TheQuestionmark | katr0, Now, I have no issues when using Iceweasel on my regular systems but since this here is a small ARM system, Iceweasel might be a little too much :> |
| 14:04.46 | aipheeV3 | /usr/share/iceweasel/browser/defaults/preferences/firefox.js contains line: pref("browser.startup.homepage", "chrome://branding/locale/browserconfig.properties"); |
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| 14:05.20 | katr0 | TheQuestionmark: ? |
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| 14:05.57 | TheQuestionmark | katr0, Just making clear that there's no issue for me with another browser but midori. |
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| 14:06.17 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: I think so, probably as part of CUT (constantly usable testing) but I don't think it ever got anywhere |
| 14:06.23 | Milos | How can I avoid assembling raid array in initrd/initramfs? Can I somehow remove this functionality or tell it not to do that? |
| 14:06.26 | Milos | Debian7/amd64 |
| 14:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, as katr0 just said... http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ... it's not in <testing security>, though... wonder if I should add it and where (but have no idea how active that project still is) |
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| 14:07.42 | ectospasm | I'm using elinks to view html parts of messages in mutt. Is there any way to prevent elinks from asking me if I want to quit when I do? It's kind of annoying |
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| 14:09.22 | aipheeV3 | Milos, dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
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| 14:09.46 | carsonc | ectospasm: Does to do the same if you use really-quit instead of just quit? |
| 14:10.00 | carsonc | I don't know anything about elinks, but you made me curious, so I looked at the manual |
| 14:10.21 | Milos | aipheeV3, thank you :) |
| 14:10.33 | ectospasm | I looked in the manual (a while ago) and didn't see that. Let me look again. Thanks carsonc. |
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| 14:11.50 | ectospasm | carsonc: I don't see that in "man elinks" |
| 14:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ectospasm, guess you can only look through elinks -config-dump .... of those... maybe ui.sessions.keep_session_active in a weird way? |
| 14:12.14 | carsonc | http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html has a reference to it in the section on "Actions in exmode" |
| 14:12.33 | carsonc | If I'm reading this correctly, instead of doing :quit you should be able to do :really-quit ? |
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| 14:12.43 | carsonc | But that may be totally wrong |
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| 14:13.03 | carsonc | Or rather, if I'm reading this correctly, it's implied that...etc |
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| 14:21.02 | Quatroking | is there a quick command to reinstall debian? |
| 14:23.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quatroking, ? |
| 14:23.21 | carsonc | Quatroking: How do you mean? |
| 14:23.26 | carsonc | Reinstall Debian from what? |
| 14:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean? a command that puts in a netinst-cd and then does a fresh install for you? |
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| 14:24.20 | Quatroking | On my debian machine I want to reinstall and start from scratch, but the motherboard doesn't boot from usb and I don't have a floppydrive or optical drive installed |
| 14:24.41 | carsonc | has a vision of millions of Debian robots putting Debian CDs into computers |
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| 14:25.02 | Quatroking | the current debian was installed through plop boot manager, which i had installed through windows |
| 14:25.35 | carsonc | Quatroking: Might see https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall which might be helpful |
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| 14:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quatroking, well... if you have a free partition... there's debootstrap ... but it doesn't do exactly the same as the installer images |
| 14:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, debootstrap |
| 14:26.29 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 14:26.51 | carsonc | Or of course you could start completely over, reinstall Windows, use the plop thing again, etc |
| 14:27.16 | Quatroking | yeeaaaaah i initially installed windows years ago through an optical drive |
| 14:27.16 | carsonc | I think the bigger question, though, is why do you want to start from scratch? |
| 14:27.30 | Quatroking | because I screwed up settings and now my system is a mess |
| 14:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quatroking, most worrying is that if something fails you have a big problem pulling things back up |
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| 14:27.57 | aipheeV3 | solving my own problem, iceweasel profile customizations go in /etc/iceweasel/profile/ which is symlinked from /usr/share/iceweasel/browser/defaults/profile |
| 14:28.09 | Quatroking | the machine is a revamped Wyse Winterm Thinclient by the way |
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| 14:28.35 | Quatroking | i installed windows years ago by opening it up, hooking up an optical drive which i powered through an external PSU |
| 14:28.49 | Quatroking | macgyver would be proud |
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| 14:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quatroking, I wonder... maybe it's possible to put the netinst image on a small partition and boot from that? the cd-images are now all hybrid-images that can be booted from CD or from usb... and I don't see that an usb-boot differs much from booting from a small hard-disk partition |
| 14:29.21 | carsonc | Quatroking: Have you seen https://kishytech.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/hosting-my-site-from-home-on-a-wyse-thin-client/ ? |
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| 14:29.38 | carsonc | Don't know if you have the same model, but there are some tips there |
| 14:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quatroking, you'd then just need to configure grub in your current debian to boot the netinst as a foreign OS (I think) |
| 14:29.46 | Quatroking | that's not the same model but I've seen it before |
| 14:30.10 | Quatroking | I got one of these :) http://i.imgur.com/GxKMpP5.jpg |
| 14:30.37 | aipheeV3 | another option if the machine can PXE boot is a network install |
| 14:30.41 | Quatroking | CutMeOwnThroat, here's an idea, can I boot ISO files or USB devices using grub? |
| 14:31.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quatroking, try it and see... |
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| 14:32.02 | carsonc | If the USB device is available to Grub and the filesystem is one Grub supports, I'd think it would work |
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| 14:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quatroking, not just any iso images... but as I said, the debian-installer ones are made to also be able to boot from usb |
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| 14:34.10 | Quatroking | i'll look into that |
| 14:34.40 | Quatroking | what's annoying is that the bios of this thing lists USB-FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-HDD and USB-CDROM in the boot priority list but it doesn't boot the stick at all |
| 14:34.43 | tremon | accessing usb will probably not work, grub relies on bios calls to access usb devices. But having an iso on an internal partition might work with some fiddling |
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| 14:45.15 | depesz | hi. i seem to be having some huge problems with systemd. after reboot (im on daily-updated ebian testing) some services don't start, logging via ssh shows 25 second delay for "dbus timeout", and starting services manually hangs indefinitely - ps shows some password-related process which doesn't do anything |
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| 14:45.40 | paule32 | hello |
| 14:45.41 | depesz | i know very little about systemd but i need to get this machine back and runnig - anyone available to help me debug/diagnose the problem? |
| 14:45.56 | mtn | depesz: best to ask on #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 14:46.25 | depesz | thanks, mtn. |
| 14:46.29 | paule32 | does someone know where the keymap files of debian 7 64 bit are? |
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| 14:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, keymap |
| 14:57.11 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 14:57.35 | phury | Wow. People actually join these... |
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| 14:58.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | paule32, ^^ that doesn't exactly answer the question, but... should do most of what you need |
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| 14:59.00 | Nebukadneza | CutMeOwnThroat: reply to the upgrading-old-testing question earlier ... what worked now is having a shell-script randomly choose pairs of ~30-100 packages from my installed packages, and upgrading those |
| 14:59.07 | Nebukadneza | if it breaks badly, don't upgrade, choose next random set |
| 14:59.23 | Nebukadneza | did this ~4-5 times, now aptitude upgrade is capable of resolving the rest |
| 14:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nebukadneza, as I said... apt-get shouldn't have had the problems you saw with aptitude |
| 15:00.22 | Nebukadneza | apt-get simply dumped me a whole load of dependency problems and asked me to resolve them by hand before running upgrade |
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| 15:01.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's why it doesn't have the problems aptitude does ^^ |
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| 15:06.08 | ectospasm | carsonc: thanks for the hint. I ended up writing this to ~/.elinks/elinks.conf: bind "main" "q" = "really-quit", and it works. |
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| 15:07.21 | carsonc | Glad to help |
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| 15:09.43 | gerforce | hello, i want to setup a vpn connection to a free vpn server on Debian. What are the steps? I couldn't find any useful instructions after serching web. BTW, i couldn't access google. |
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| 15:14.05 | ectospasm | carsonc: upon further inspection, I could have gone through the configuration manager in elinks, or just used 'Q'. But since I mostly use it through mutt, I decided to rebind lowercase 'q' |
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| 15:20.56 | JyZyXEL | how do i configure debian to use a Canon network printer? |
| 15:22.00 | L0aD1nG | JyZyXEL: have a look https://wiki.debian.org/PrinterDriver/Canon/UFR-II |
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| 15:22.15 | L0aD1nG | maybe this will help |
| 15:22.37 | JyZyXEL | doesn't list the LBP-3460 i have |
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| 15:23.04 | JyZyXEL | i must be SOLd |
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| 15:24.19 | L0aD1nG | JyZyXEL: maybe its not supported then mate. |
| 15:24.29 | JyZyXEL | http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Canon/Canon-LBP-3460 |
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| 15:27.47 | porton | XWindows sometimes hangs and I need to reboot my computer. The Reset and Power buttons on the system block don't work. Can I make Reset button to make a graceful reboot, instead of doing nothing as it is now? |
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| 15:30.09 | ompaul | porton: log in over ssh and have control again |
| 15:30.39 | porton | ompaul: It is not a server. SSH should not work on this PC. Moreover, I have no another computer to run SSH from it |
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| 15:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | porton, all my desktops run sshd... for exactly things like this |
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| 15:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | porton, did you try ctrl-alt-f1 to switch to a console? |
| 15:32.12 | porton | CutMeOwnThroat: It seems that I've tried |
| 15:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... sysrq keys |
| 15:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg sysrq |
| 15:32.30 | dpkg | methinks sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
| 15:32.35 | porton | CutMeOwnThroat: Are sysrq keys enabled by default in Debian? |
| 15:32.45 | beardy | I think they are nowadays. |
| 15:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can check/enable/disable in /sys |
| 15:33.11 | porton | CutMeOwnThroat: Do sysrq keys do a GRACEFUL reboot? |
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| 15:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | err /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq |
| 15:33.33 | beardy | More graceful than pulling the power. |
| 15:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | porton, read the documentation at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
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| 15:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it will answer that question... the answer isn't a simple yes/no, though |
| 15:34.14 | beardy | Don't you have another device to SSH from? No "phone"/"tablet", or something? |
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| 15:34.32 | porton | beardy: There is mother's smartphone |
| 15:34.45 | porton | beardy: It probably has no SSH installed |
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| 15:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ; |
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| 15:36.52 | porton | I see no SysRq key on my keyboard |
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| 15:37.36 | beardy | porton: Maybe it's only labeled "PrintScreen" |
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| 15:39.14 | DeaDSouL | what is the best practice to : 1) where to save git/svn..etc source packages ? ( /opt/src-pkgs ?) 2) where to install them (/opt ?) |
| 15:39.34 | JyZyXEL | L0aD1nG: i installed system-config-printer and cups and used the LBP-3360 driver it had |
| 15:39.35 | JyZyXEL | works |
| 15:39.56 | L0aD1nG | JyZyXEL: great |
| 15:40.12 | DeaDSouL | is there a debian way I should follow with that ? |
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| 15:40.42 | beardy | DeaDSouL: It depends, /usr/local/src is one traditional location. If it is one selfcontained blob that can't be trusted to live in /usr/local, /opt/somedirectory |
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| 15:40.55 | L0aD1nG | DeaDSouL: apt-get install git |
| 15:41.01 | ompaul | porton: you make the problem harder for yourself by not taking the advice given and if your keyboard doesn;t have a SysRq button I'd be asking the manufacturer why not |
| 15:41.05 | L0aD1nG | DeaDSouL: normal way of installation |
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| 15:42.21 | DeaDSouL | beardy: so I should install xbmc for example in /usr/local/src ? right ? |
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| 15:42.46 | beardy | DeaDSouL: Preferebly you should use the package. |
| 15:43.17 | paule32 | hi CutMeOwnThroat |
| 15:43.25 | DeaDSouL | L0aD1nG: thanks but I mean after downloading the source .. and compiling it.. where to install it |
| 15:43.44 | beardy | DeaDSouL: If possible build your own package. But yes, if you really want to do that, that would be the place. |
| 15:43.48 | DeaDSouL | beardy: the xbmc package in repo is old and outdated |
| 15:44.10 | paule32 | CutMeOwnThroat: under Debian 6 i guess there was keymap files that could be loaded under the console with loadkeys |
| 15:44.14 | beardy | !backports |
| 15:44.15 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 15:45.22 | L0aD1nG | DeaDSouL: never actually used git/github still... so maybe someone else could help you on that maybe google ;) |
| 15:45.27 | carsonc | Looks like the xbmc package in wheezy-backports is 13.2, which is not the absolute latest, but 14.0 was only release on December 23, according to Wikipedia. |
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| 15:48.10 | DeaDSouL | carsonc: so, if I add the wheezy-backports repo.. just to install the xbmc... will that repo break the other packages.. or the dependencies ? |
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| 15:50.52 | carsonc | DeaDSouL: My understand, subject to correction by somebody who actually uses backports, is that it *shouldn't*, but that this is not guaranteed. |
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| 15:51.43 | DeaDSouL | carsonc: so the wheezy-backports could make the system unstable |
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| 15:51.57 | carsonc | That is not what I said, no |
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| 15:52.44 | carsonc | You have two recommended options: 1) use a backport, or 2) make your own package. Both have ups and downs. |
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| 15:53.48 | DeaDSouL | carsonc: is it safe for the system stability to add the wheezy-backports repo and install a package from it ? |
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| 15:56.03 | carsonc | It's no more or less safe than using any other repository. Or for that matter, compiling random stuff from scratch. |
| 15:56.08 | DeaDSouL | is there any way to let apt-get or aptitude ignore all the packages from the wheezy-backports except for only one package ? |
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| 15:56.28 | carsonc | DeaDSouL: Take a look for "pinning" in the Debian documentation |
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| 15:56.51 | carsonc | If you need to see what packages are in wheezy-backports, browse http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/ |
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| 16:09.49 | yates | is anyone here familiar with the code in the installer that lists the timezones? |
| 16:09.58 | DeaDSouL | I'm sorry I googled 'debian apt pinning' but I didn't understand what to write in '/etc/apt/preferences' to let it ignores all backports packages except 'xbmc' |
| 16:10.05 | yates | how is the list of timezones obtained? |
| 16:10.10 | yates | i need to do this in c/c++ |
| 16:10.12 | DeaDSouL | can anyone help me what that please |
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| 16:13.22 | caraconan | I have to leave. Chau! |
| 16:13.42 | DeaDSouL | guys please ? |
| 16:14.33 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, man apt-mark - if you have it. |
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| 16:15.15 | yates | any information on programmatically working with the debian timezone configuration (namely, listing the timezones and setting the system timezone), USING C or C++, would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 16:15.38 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: I have it.. can you tell me how to do it please |
| 16:16.04 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, it easy, just try the man page: man apt-mark |
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| 16:16.24 | yates | i know /usr/share/zoneinfo has a list of timezone files, but how do i parse the timezone name from the file? |
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| 16:16.31 | Brigo | i think apt-mark hold <package>, but not sure |
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| 16:18.04 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: i'm reading the manual... but didn't understand how it works.. |
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| 16:19.57 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, i think apt-mark hold <package>, but not sure |
| 16:21.16 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: then what.. after holding xbmc from the main repo ? what to do next |
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| 16:21.54 | mgregjr | wheneer I insert a usb stick, it is mounted as writable only by root. how do i change that? |
| 16:22.12 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, nothing more, that is all. |
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| 16:22.52 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, now if you try to upgrade it you will cannot do it. |
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| 16:23.05 | mgregjr | it is annoying to drop to root everytime i need to copy files to my usb stick |
| 16:23.35 | Quatroking | woooo |
| 16:23.39 | mgregjr | i see that it is mounted with the flags "fmask=0022,dmask=0022" |
| 16:23.40 | Quatroking | i got grub to boot plop |
| 16:23.41 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: but what i want is to prevent apt from upgrading anything in the backports repository except for the xbmc |
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| 16:24.18 | mgregjr | where do i change that? running jessie |
| 16:24.22 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: I don't want the backports to be used except for the 'xbmc' |
| 16:24.30 | DeaDSouL | how to do that :( |
| 16:25.11 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, you have to do nothing. Backporst add not apply by default. |
| 16:25.30 | Brigo | you have to add -t backports if you want it to be used. |
| 16:25.36 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: I know.. I want to add it.. so that I can install 'xbmc' from it... |
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| 16:26.10 | mgregjr | can anyone help with mount permissions? |
| 16:26.18 | Eifie3Ai | how to remove a device node? i want to remove /dev/sda so the administrator does not accidentally access the hard disk |
| 16:26.23 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, ah, you only have to add a line into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:27.12 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, for wheezy: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 16:27.46 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: it's already there deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free ..... where to add the '-t' ? |
| 16:28.13 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, good, then apt-get update and apt-get install xmbc -t backports |
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| 16:28.35 | Brigo | ,v xbmc |
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| 16:28.36 | judd | Package: xbmc on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5+1; wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:13.2+dfsg1-3~bpo70+1; sid: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; jessie: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 5:14.2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2 |
| 16:28.50 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: great... so the backports are not being used by default when install or upgrade anything ... right ? |
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| 16:28.58 | Brigo | right :) |
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| 16:29.03 | dakkak | Quatroking: what for? grub2 can natively boot usb |
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| 16:29.11 | turnedtodust | If your 'administrator' is accidently accessing disks. I think you need a new admin. |
| 16:29.19 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: thanks brigo |
| 16:29.28 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, no :) |
| 16:29.52 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: btw... I managed to let it starts the xbmc when it boots without any help from any display-manager :D |
| 16:29.52 | Quatroking | carsonc, got usb boot working through plop |
| 16:30.17 | Quatroking | adding plop to grub was easy-peasy, just copy two files to /boot/ and add a boot entry :D |
| 16:30.20 | Eifie3Ai | dakkak, thanks, will take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/udev |
| 16:31.23 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: modify /etc/inittab : 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f xbmc tty1 </dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 16:31.38 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: that for autologin the 'xbmc' user |
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| 16:32.08 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, good for you :) |
| 16:32.18 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: thanks :) |
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| 16:32.45 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, be careful, with systemd it will not work. |
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| 16:33.45 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: I know... but wheezy doesn't seem to use the systemd... it still uses the old way |
| 16:34.05 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: right ? |
| 16:34.06 | Brigo | DeaDSouL, yes and it will always do. |
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| 16:35.50 | DeaDSouL | Brigo: I've installed the 'debian-keyrings' then added this signature : gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg -a --export 21E764DF | sudo apt-key add - ........ how to remove that signature ? |
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| 16:38.24 | D|nA | sudo apt-key del [key_ID] |
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| 16:39.25 | DeaDSouL | D|nA: thanks... how to view the ids .. if i don't know which id to remove |
| 16:39.48 | DeaDSouL | apt-key list |
| 16:39.51 | DeaDSouL | thanks :) |
| 16:39.55 | D|nA | sudo apt-key list |
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| 17:02.19 | tristero | Anyone know how to turn on desktop notifications for CUPS print jobs starting/stopping? It's working on one of my systems but not the other, newly-installed one. Both running XFCE and jessie. |
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| 17:14.24 | sIRwa2 | how can i shutdown? i use: sudo shutdown -P -t now |
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| 17:14.58 | Rip_Van_Twinkle | sudo shutdown -h now will work better |
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| 17:16.14 | sIRwa2 | tnx. i tried a 100 options .. |
| 17:16.22 | sIRwa2 | it worked |
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| 17:19.04 | DeaDSouL | sIRwa2: why not using 'poweroff' ? |
| 17:19.57 | Th34rchitekt | halt |
| 17:20.20 | DeaDSouL | init 0 |
| 17:20.21 | DeaDSouL | :P |
| 17:20.25 | sIRwa2 | poweroff, simple and clean.. i like it DeaDSouL |
| 17:20.45 | sIRwa2 | tnx |
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| 17:21.03 | sIRwa2 | now i have to walk over to the machine again.. lol |
| 17:21.10 | DeaDSouL | sIRwa2: you welcome :) |
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| 17:23.05 | DeaDSouL | sIRwa2: and 'reboot' for restarting |
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| 17:23.25 | sIRwa2 | that one i knew already. |
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| 17:25.22 | moldy | hi |
| 17:25.38 | moldy | which solution should i use if i want to run my own small package repository? |
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| 17:32.16 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 17:34.05 | Posterdati | I've got problem with wheezy amd64 and a pioneer internal dvdrw, it seems to be disconnected from the system after inserted a dvd, /dvd/sr0 disappeared, hdparm -I /dev/sr0 returned error |
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| 17:37.04 | petn-randall | moldy: mini-dinstall works nicely for me. |
| 17:37.37 | petn-randall | Hi Posterdati, can you check /var/log/kern.log for any errors? |
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| 17:42.25 | DeaDSouL_ | the console keeps complaining about the LC_ language : Can't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct! |
| 17:42.29 | DeaDSouL_ | how to solve it |
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| 17:42.50 | Posterdati | petn-randall: [sr0] Unhandled error code |
| 17:43.25 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Can you paste all the relevant lines, including the 10 lines around it, to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 17:45.40 | Posterdati | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/140046/ |
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| 17:46.23 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Looks like a hardware issue. Either the controller, or the cabling, or the drive is faulty. |
| 17:46.59 | Posterdati | :( |
| 17:47.24 | Posterdati | I already changed the cables |
| 17:47.37 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Turn off the machine and check the cabling. Maybe it's not properly connected. Maybe even replace the cable just to check if it improves the situation. |
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| 17:48.26 | Posterdati | if I turn off the machine, the dvd returns to work again, it happen when I insert a particular dvd |
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| 17:49.39 | socomm | Posterdati: Bad DVD? |
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| 17:49.57 | Posterdati | socomm: yes |
| 17:50.12 | Posterdati | socomm: but how can I revive the drive? |
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| 17:53.53 | petn-randall | Posterdati: Other disks work fine? |
| 17:54.04 | Posterdati | petn-randall: yes |
| 17:54.41 | jhutchins | Posterdati: Sounds like it might be a firmware problem |
| 17:55.00 | Posterdati | could be |
| 17:55.35 | jhutchins | Posterdati: Pioneer might have an update. |
| 17:56.37 | socomm | Posterdati: I' saying bad DVD disk. |
| 17:56.49 | socomm | Posterdati: This is normal if your disk is scratched or broken somehow. |
| 17:56.55 | Posterdati | no |
| 17:57.13 | Posterdati | maybe the media is not compatible |
| 17:57.43 | socomm | Uh. |
| 17:57.43 | ompaul | Posterdati: what kind of thing is supposed to be on that disk |
| 17:57.44 | moldy | petn-randall: thanks, i will have a look at it. i found this one: http://vincent.bernat.im/en/blog/2014-local-apt-repositories.html |
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| 17:58.09 | Posterdati | ompaul: dvd with wheezy for amd64 |
| 17:58.32 | socomm | Posterdati: Can you burn another DVD? |
| 17:58.38 | Posterdati | I did |
| 17:58.43 | DeaDSouL | how to fix : Can't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct! |
| 17:58.45 | Posterdati | but now I can't |
| 17:58.47 | Nirkus | hi, is there any way to use an existing LUKS volume with the jessie installer? |
| 17:58.52 | ompaul | Posterdati: dd the unmounted disk from the raw device and compare it with the downloaded image |
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| 17:59.00 | Posterdati | the drive looks like to be disconnected |
| 17:59.03 | ompaul | !testing installer |
| 17:59.03 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:59.07 | jhutchins | !locale |
| 17:59.07 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 17:59.22 | socomm | DeaDSouL: google |
| 17:59.26 | Posterdati | ompaul: I did not care about the disk, now I need the drive back |
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| 18:00.12 | ompaul | Posterdati: that is how you would prepare to md5sum the copy to test it against a known good install image (which should also be tested) |
| 18:00.13 | Posterdati | I cannot reset |
| 18:00.33 | ompaul | Posterdati: do whatever you need to |
| 18:00.42 | Nirkus | ompaul: was that "testing installer" quote directed at me? |
| 18:00.47 | Posterdati | ompaul: no I only need the drive working |
| 18:00.48 | ompaul | Nirkus: I guess so |
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| 18:01.04 | ompaul | Posterdati: and it isn't ... usually that isn't the media |
| 18:01.13 | jhutchins | Nirkus: It applies, you were asking about the jessie installer. |
| 18:01.15 | ompaul | Posterdati: usually that is the drive, how old is the machine |
| 18:01.24 | Posterdati | 5 years |
| 18:01.34 | Posterdati | not working so much at all |
| 18:01.41 | ompaul | Posterdati: and is the drive in a dusty envrionment? |
| 18:01.47 | Posterdati | no |
| 18:02.06 | jhutchins | Posterdati: Didn't you say that restarting fixed it? |
| 18:02.08 | Posterdati | it writes at full speed |
| 18:02.18 | Nirkus | jhutchins ompaul: well, it should have cryptsetup available, shouldn't it? |
| 18:02.36 | Posterdati | jhutchins: it does, but I cannot restart the computer now |
| 18:02.41 | ompaul | Nirkus: if it is there - it is there - no it shouldn't it should have whatevwer they were burning |
| 18:02.57 | ompaul | Nirkus: the way to install testing is what the bot sazid |
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| 18:03.25 | ompaul | Nirkus: if it works fantastic, if not file a bug and download a stable image and away you go |
| 18:03.49 | jhutchins | Posterdati: I have seen very few DVD drives more than two years old that still worked correctly. |
| 18:04.22 | Nirkus | ompaul: ok, so i can reuse an existing LUKS volume with the stable installer? :> |
| 18:04.30 | Posterdati | it worked very few times |
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| 18:04.52 | YamakasY | !moo |
| 18:04.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 18:05.32 | ompaul | Nirkus: I have no idea, and I hope so not had to do something like that I do clean builds and then run sid on them for an age and then put them down |
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| 18:08.21 | Nirkus | whatever that was supposed to mean? :) |
| 18:08.42 | ompaul | Nirkus: do as you please |
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| 18:09.10 | ompaul | that was actually what it comes down to - but it's also rather rude so I didn't want to be that brash :) |
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| 18:14.45 | Nirkus | well, directing me to the stable installer w/o knowing whether that one actually allows me to re-use and existing encrypted volume is extremely helpful |
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| 18:17.50 | Posterdati | echo '- - -' > /sys/class/scsi_host/host3/scan |
| 18:18.00 | Posterdati | fixed the problem |
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| 18:33.10 | jhutchins | Posterdati: Brilliant! |
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| 18:33.46 | Posterdati | jhutchins: it's a firmware related problem |
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| 18:34.52 | L0aD1nG | jelly: |
| 18:35.30 | _abc__ | Und: Vorsicht mit der Lage im Betrieb. HID Lampen mögen gewisse Lagen nicht. |
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| 18:35.46 | _abc__ | Sorry Wrong channel |
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| 18:36.05 | Bremsstrahlung | lol |
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| 18:36.42 | jelly | L0aD1nG: I'd appreciate if a highlight contained an actual message |
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| 18:38.12 | L0aD1nG | jelly: i would like to check if you are here first |
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| 18:38.48 | L0aD1nG | jelly: yesterday you said that, it is able to make a minimal installation without graphical enviroments installs with any .iso of debian. |
| 18:39.08 | L0aD1nG | jelly: but I couldn't find the option to do that, can you be more specific? |
| 18:39.19 | jelly | L0aD1nG: yes, at task selection time in the installer, deselect everything |
| 18:39.36 | L0aD1nG | jelly: on the select and install software? |
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| 18:39.50 | L0aD1nG | phase* |
| 18:39.57 | jelly | L0aD1nG: I don't remember the exact wording, that might be it |
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| 18:41.01 | jelly | !tasksel |
| 18:41.02 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 18:41.23 | L0aD1nG | hmmm |
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| 18:41.37 | L0aD1nG | jelly: and the apt suite will be installed either way right? |
| 18:41.43 | jelly | yes |
| 18:41.49 | L0aD1nG | thanks. |
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| 18:41.53 | jelly | but not much more than that |
| 18:42.12 | L0aD1nG | well I can install them by hand then... |
| 18:42.16 | L0aD1nG | thank you. |
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| 18:47.22 | Xenguy | Hi, I notice that on my Stable/Wheezy systems, there are many new updates available today, but I don't see any corresponding DSA (Debian Security Announcement)... |
| 18:47.31 | Xenguy | Does anyone know why? |
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| 18:54.52 | okee | Does anyone work for a public utility? I am wondering what is the best open source billing software for an electric utility. |
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| 18:56.49 | petn-randall | Xenguy: Check the changelogs, they'll have CVEs attached that you can look up on http://security-tracker.debian.org/. |
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| 18:57.43 | Xenguy | petn-randall: thanks, and someone else pointed me here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2015/01/msg00000.html |
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| 18:58.02 | petn-randall | Xenguy: Ah, you've been crossposting :( |
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| 18:58.40 | Xenguy | Another Debian channel, just trying to get an answer. Thanks again |
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| 19:12.31 | simp | does anyone from #intel-gfx happen to be here? |
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| 19:17.18 | g1ra | Hello. I have a weird behavior in my terminal. When I CTRL-P, then try to insert some text at some position, the following is overwritten. But not really overwritten but my terminal dont show changes, this is debian 7 with xfce , I tried other terminals ,same. |
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| 19:21.17 | g1ra | am I on a wrong channel with my question? |
| 19:22.47 | Stargazers | g1ra: Well... maybe charcter encoding problems? |
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| 19:23.16 | g1ra | Stargazers: no fancy characters |
| 19:23.21 | Stargazers | g1ra: Is there any non-UTF8 characters? |
| 19:23.36 | Stargazers | Mmh. Strange, then. Mostly it happens with wrong encodings etc. |
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| 19:24.49 | g1ra | hmm. It might be a wrong PS1... |
| 19:25.14 | Stargazers | Ok. |
| 19:25.18 | Stargazers | That is another way :P |
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| 19:27.57 | Stargazers | Not gotta continue my OSX reinstallation stuff -> |
| 19:28.09 | Stargazers | Hope you can fix your machine :) o/ -> |
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| 19:30.48 | tvynr | Hello, there. I'm seeing some odd behavior out of bind-mounting my /run directory. If I run "mound --bind /run mytemp", then /run/user/1000 is owned by me but mytemp/user/1000 is owned by root. This is breaking my chroot's behavior. Anyone have a guess? |
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| 19:36.14 | g1ra | Stargazers: /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion caused a problem. It was in my .bashrc |
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| 19:41.47 | tvynr | Nevermind. The problem I was having was that /run/user/1000 is its own mount. For anyone dealing with a problem relating to permissions in /run under a chroot, using "rbind" rather than "bind" seems to solve the problem. |
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| 20:25.02 | PinkFreud | hey folks. i appear to have backed myself into a corner by placing a root lv on a md raid 5 device, without a separate boot lv. |
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| 20:25.50 | PinkFreud | is this something that can be made to work? or am i going to have to find a rescue disk and move my root lv off raid5? |
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| 20:31.13 | PinkFreud | hrmph. no one? |
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| 20:33.03 | sIRwa2 | be patience |
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| 20:36.08 | PinkFreud | sIRwa2: sorry, running out of time here fast. I've spent quite a few weekends on attempting to get this machine upgraded, and I'm at the end of my rope with it. |
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| 20:36.25 | PinkFreud | sIRwa2: at this point, I need to find the absolute fastest path to a resolution. |
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| 20:36.33 | PinkFreud | if it's not here, then I'm looking elsewhere. |
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| 20:39.35 | sIRwa2 | well sorry PinkFreud, all i can say i love you music :/ |
| 20:39.50 | PinkFreud | snerks |
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| 20:40.14 | sIRwa2 | or dont you know the band PinkFreud ? |
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| 20:41.33 | PinkFreud | I'm assuming you mean Pink Floyd? :) |
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| 20:41.59 | PinkFreud | the nick is a play on Pink Floyd, and Freud. :) |
| 20:42.31 | imaami | PinkFreud: when i made music back in the day i made a track called Pink Freud |
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| 20:42.37 | imaami | PinkFreud: it had a sample from Ummagumma |
| 20:43.08 | PinkFreud | imaami: oh? what genre did you do? |
| 20:43.19 | imaami | PinkFreud: weird electronic music |
| 20:46.49 | sIRwa2 | JAZZ!! |
| 20:47.13 | imaami | PinkFreud: tried to find the song online, no luck |
| 20:47.14 | PinkFreud | ah |
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| 20:47.22 | sIRwa2 | Polish Jazz to be precise |
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| 20:54.00 | jhutchins | !raid |
| 20:54.00 | dpkg | Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID) is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data. Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
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| 20:54.21 | jhutchins | PinkFreud: Might try that last element there. |
| 20:54.42 | jhutchins | PinkFreud: AFIk you can boot from RAID just fine, you just need the md software in your initramfs. |
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| 20:55.05 | jhutchins | PinkFreud: I've only done hardware raid, where grub sees a single disk to begin with. |
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| 20:56.02 | jhutchins | PinkFreud: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_Boot http://edoceo.com/howto/mdadm-raid1 |
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| 20:58.23 | jhutchins | imaami: http://www.last.fm/music/Pink+Freud |
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| 21:00.19 | sIRwa2 | youâll love it jhutchins |
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| 21:02.03 | imaami | jhutchins: not the same thing |
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| 21:04.04 | sIRwa2 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ci3HDPmCg |
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| 21:04.25 | sIRwa2 | almost idm jazz |
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| 21:06.46 | PinkFreud | jhutchins: the trick here is that i'm using raid5. :) |
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| 21:13.11 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.39 | PinkFreud | that would appear to be my answer - no raid5 support for booting, and the cause of the boot failure. |
| 21:13.55 | PinkFreud | well, that's annoying. |
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| 21:15.42 | AlphaTech | Does anyone know how to fix a computer that turns on but displays nothing? |
| 21:16.00 | PinkFreud | AlphaTech: turn the monitor on. |
| 21:16.12 | AlphaTech | PinkFreud: I'm not an idiot |
| 21:16.38 | PinkFreud | you asked, and you failed to state whether the monitor was on or off. :) |
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| 21:17.04 | AlphaTech | The monitor is on and plugged in; same for the computer itself |
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| 21:18.04 | AlphaTech | PinkFreud: I tried reseating everything and checked all the connections.... I still have exactly nothing |
| 21:18.17 | PinkFreud | onboard or offboard card? |
| 21:18.27 | PinkFreud | and if offboard, is there an onboard video device? |
| 21:18.40 | AlphaTech | Onboard device |
| 21:18.47 | AlphaTech | *video card |
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| 21:20.27 | PinkFreud | put an offboard video card in and see if it gives you something? |
| 21:21.30 | grobda24 | Anyone know why I'm not getting my audio cd file showing in ~/.gvfs ? It works with the file manager, but I need POSIX valid files/paths for an application that does not support GVFS. "gvfs-fuse" is installed so it should be working. |
| 21:21.43 | PinkFreud | i know some amd boards support both standard amd cpus and apus. if you use a cpu, you have to use an offboard video device - the onboard video will not operate due to a lack of a video chipset. |
| 21:21.55 | nebbia | hi everyone, sorry a question: when i'm downloading a version of debian, for example here : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/ i can't understand why to put both md5sums and sha1 and even sha256 to check for the file ? isn't just one of them enough ? |
| 21:22.12 | PinkFreud | but I'm grasping at straws here, since you've provided no details. |
| 21:22.25 | nebbia | second question: what is md5sums.sign ??? can't understand how are these pgp working |
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| 21:23.07 | AlphaTech | PinkFreud: If I wasn't broke, I would |
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| 21:23.41 | PinkFreud | AlphaTech: borrow one from someone? |
| 21:24.12 | PinkFreud | does the pc boot? can it get on the network? I assume you're running debian for obvious reasons. |
| 21:24.29 | PinkFreud | these are all details you're missing. :) |
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| 21:25.58 | AlphaTech | PinkFreud: The PC does boot but it is not yet running debian. It's currently running Windows but I plan to change to the os to debian to host a server on |
| 21:26.43 | PinkFreud | then there's a limit to what we can do here. :) you'll have to figure out your hw issues. |
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| 21:27.40 | AlphaTech | Heh. I don't have a bootable device plugged in to it either. I was hoping for the BIOS to have a boot sector menu before plugging that back in. |
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| 21:27.48 | AlphaTech | PinkFreud ^ |
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| 21:29.37 | AlphaTech | Also, if you can help me with this, it's PheonixBIOS or however that is spelt ;) |
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| 21:30.03 | PinkFreud | AlphaTech: again, I said there's a limit to what we can do here. |
| 21:30.06 | i5um41ru | unknown filesystem,and grub rescue shell promted, what to do? |
| 21:30.40 | AlphaTech | PinkFreud: Then who could help? #Windows #Ubuntu #Linux? |
| 21:30.44 | PinkFreud | we can assist with debian, but dealing with hardware issues before installation is something you'll have to do on your own |
| 21:30.48 | PinkFreud | not a clue. |
| 21:31.11 | AlphaTech | Okay |
| 21:31.15 | PinkFreud | good luck |
| 21:31.16 | AlphaTech | Thanks |
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| 21:36.27 | jhutchins | AlphaTech: What makes you think the monitor works? |
| 21:37.07 | AlphaTech | jhutchins: Works on my other computer. |
| 21:37.38 | jhutchins | AlphaTech: Ok, good. Got another monitor? |
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| 21:38.01 | AlphaTech | jhutchins: Yeah, already tried it |
| 21:38.27 | jhutchins | AlphaTech: You're making me guess whether it worked. |
| 21:39.19 | AlphaTech | It's kinda obvious..... I would tell you if it worked or not |
| 21:39.41 | AlphaTech | And since I didn't say anything, it probably didn't work (which it didn't) |
| 21:39.56 | jhutchins | AlphaTech: Ah. Bad output. Does it have more than one output connector. |
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| 21:41.53 | jhutchins | AlphaTech: Does the PC have more than one video connector? |
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| 21:43.36 | AlphaTech | jhutchins: Nope |
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| 21:44.48 | jhutchins | AlphaTech: I would conclude that the video card/chipset is bad. |
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| 22:18.39 | soulisson | Hi, i'm running debian 7, i'm trying to install the dialog package but this package is not available in my repos, which one i should add |
| 22:18.57 | dvs | ,v dialog |
| 22:18.59 | judd | Package: dialog on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-20100428-1; wheezy: 1.1-20120215-2; sid: 1.2-20140911-1; jessie: 1.2-20140911-1 |
| 22:19.05 | centrx | !sources.list |
| 22:19.05 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 22:21.28 | wheezysrc | is there a free as in freedom, GNU GPLed alternative to the plop boot manager? i am after a small program that allows you to boot from usb even if the bios does not support booting from usb |
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| 22:22.49 | Marqin | anyone here uses DO cloud and knows which debian install they use and how to strip it to base debian? |
| 22:24.12 | centrx | Marqin, They have 6.x and 7.x |
| 22:24.23 | Marqin | ok, i see they altered apt sources.list |
| 22:24.53 | centrx | Marqin, It points to a DO mirror of Debian, which is much faster because it's on the same network |
| 22:25.17 | centrx | Marqin, it's generally up-to-date, you can switch it to http.debian.net if you want |
| 22:25.21 | Marqin | is there a way to easly remove all packages that are not installed with bare debian install + do apt/dpkg md5check of all config files of other packages? |
| 22:25.30 | Marqin | centrx: i've already |
| 22:25.43 | Marqin | i just want to clean that |
| 22:26.13 | centrx | You could go into aptitude/dselect and purge all priorities/sections that aren't "Required" or "Important" |
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| 22:26.35 | centrx | I generally use deborphan and apt-get autoclean |
| 22:27.17 | centrx | not sure about verifying that their installation is pure |
| 22:27.33 | centrx | I didn't find anything unusual (except the mirror), but I wasn't looking |
| 22:27.46 | centrx | *apt-get autoremove that is |
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| 22:30.30 | centrx | Marqin, One thing you might want to take note of is that the kernel is specified from the Control Panel |
| 22:30.54 | centrx | Marqin, If you install a new kernel within the machine, it doesn't get loaded, the DO infrastructure loads the kernel at boot |
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| 22:33.05 | lagbolt | Anyone running a debian box with an AMD FM2+? I am curious about the graphics support. Well supported? Dual head support? |
| 22:35.42 | Marqin | centrx: yeah, i'm going to kexec my own with grsecurity |
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| 22:43.07 | tremon | lagbolt: fm2+ is a socket, are you asking about apu's or discrete graphics? |
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| 22:45.05 | mucus | how do i know if debian is a good choice for me? |
| 22:45.50 | Walex | mucus: you can try it with a live CD, but in general it works; most GNU/Linux distros are pretty good. |
| 22:45.51 | lagbolt | tremon, I am asking about the video through the CPU for the fm2+ socket. |
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| 22:46.32 | tremon | lagbolt: I'm running jessie with an A8 processor (radeon hd8000 generation) which works perfectly, but installing firmware-linux-nonfree is required |
| 22:46.56 | Walex | lagbolt: there is a nice 14.12 "omega" driver recently released by AMD for recent graphics chips, and it has a long list of supported chips |
| 22:46.59 | tremon | I can't say for certain that this generation is supported in wheezy, it might be too new |
| 22:47.31 | tremon | I do know that the HD6000 series works fine in wheezy |
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| 22:48.54 | tremon | I'm referring only to the open source radeon driver, the Catalyst driver probably has no issues supporting the newest devices |
| 22:49.48 | SuperTramp83 | good day! I need to encrypt a folder (just one folder) on my hard drive. What is the best (the most secure) application which would allow me to do so? |
| 22:50.24 | yates | is there c or c++ code to parse the timezone files in /usr/share/zoneinfo? namely, to pull out the timezone name? |
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| 22:51.10 | OSVG | Why c or c++ for that? |
| 22:51.21 | yates | they are binary |
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| 22:52.20 | OSVG | They are typically named after their name. |
| 22:52.28 | OSVG | Unless you've done something? |
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| 22:52.32 | yates | you are not answering my question. |
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| 22:53.07 | OSVG | The answer to your question is yes, there is likely a way to write a c or c++ program to translate and parse the files. |
| 22:53.25 | OSVG | If you ask poor quality questions, expect poor quality answers. |
| 22:53.44 | DeaDSouL | when I plug my laptop to TV via hdmi cable... it automatically mirrors the screen... how can I turn off the laptop-monitor once the hdmi cable is plugged-in ? |
| 22:54.14 | jhutchins | centrx: What is "DO"? |
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| 22:54.24 | jhutchins | . |
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| 22:54.39 | jhutchins | Ah, lost in the scrollbuffer again. |
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| 22:55.35 | yates | OSVG: the question is correct. |
| 22:56.02 | OSVG | yates: And the answer I provided is the answer to that question. |
| 22:56.24 | OSVG | Is there? Yes. |
| 22:56.49 | yates | OSVG: you are now on ignore |
| 22:56.59 | jhutchins | yates: You could always try the "strings" function. |
| 22:57.02 | tremon | yates: why wouldn't you accept a python solution? |
| 22:57.02 | OSVG | ...cool? |
| 22:57.27 | OSVG | jhutchins: I get the feeling that he wants someone to do it for him. |
| 22:57.43 | yates | tremon: it may be somewhat helpful, e.g., if it points me to a library i can use, but i'm writing in c/c++ |
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| 22:58.47 | lagbolt | tremon, thanks! |
| 22:59.06 | OSVG | Alternatively, I also think that he's not being forthcoming as figuring out what files are in /usr/share/zoneinfo and what they call themselves isn't really useful given there's other ways to get identical information without having to parse the binary zoneinfo files in /usr/ unless he's trying to make changes to the zoneinfo files. |
| 22:59.07 | yates | jhutchins: that may be useful if i have to learn how to parse it myself, but i was hoping a prebuilt solution existed. |
| 22:59.10 | yates | thanks. |
| 22:59.32 | OSVG | That or he doesn't actually know what the zoneinfo files contain. |
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| 23:00.22 | paultag | man 5 tzfile |
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| 23:00.23 | jhutchins | yates: The date function will give you the current time zone. |
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| 23:00.34 | paultag | if anyone wants to be productive |
| 23:00.35 | paultag | or whatever |
| 23:00.49 | paultag | man 3 tzset is also interesting. |
| 23:01.14 | yates | paultag: bingo! thanks! |
| 23:01.18 | paultag | you got it |
| 23:01.29 | yates | judd: thanks, that's true too. |
| 23:01.40 | dvs | !win paultag |
| 23:01.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, paultag! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 23:01.52 | paultag | this is why I get paid the big bucks :) |
| 23:02.02 | yates | paultag: where do i send the check? |
| 23:02.10 | OSVG | Gosh, if he'd acted like an adult instead of a petulant child I could have given him that answer if I'd known that was all he was looking for... |
| 23:02.23 | paultag | SPI-INC :) |
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| 23:03.18 | paultag | OSVG: perhaps consider being productive in situations where you feel that communication isn't working |
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| 23:04.28 | OSVG | paultag: Right-o captain. I'll certainly consider that, though consider perhaps that your advice is misdirected as well and have a wonderful evening. |
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| 23:04.51 | yates | you've won: A Las Vegas wedding, a Mexican divorce A solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot..., Or a BABY'S ARM HOLDING AN APPLE... |
| 23:05.36 | Nightray | Hello, I need some help. I am trying to install Debian, by apparently I am even more stupid then I initially thought |
| 23:05.45 | dvs | ??? |
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| 23:06.42 | Nightray | It's asking me about network configuration I have no idea what I am suppose to type there |
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| 23:07.15 | dvs | Nightray: wired or wireless? |
| 23:07.30 | Nightray | Wired |
| 23:07.57 | dvs | Nightray: You could try to use DHCP and that usually works |
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| 23:08.46 | Nightray | so, now it says "DHCP Hostname: Debian" should I change this 'debian' to something else? |
| 23:09.12 | dvs | Nightray: hostname can be anything. It is the name of your machine. |
| 23:09.12 | yates | s/judd/jhutchins/ |
| 23:09.53 | Nightray | dvs, So this is that part that in console in my username after @? |
| 23:10.00 | Nightray | like Nightray@something |
| 23:10.07 | dvs | Nightray: Yes |
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| 23:11.30 | ovidiu-florin | hello world |
| 23:11.39 | Nightray | dvs, so, this was DHCP hostname, now it's asking me about regular hostname. Should I repeat the same? |
| 23:11.43 | Nightray | same one* |
| 23:11.45 | world | hello |
| 23:12.10 | dvs | Nightray: Regular hostname? I have no idea what that is. |
| 23:12.12 | centrx | jhutchins, Digital Ocean |
| 23:12.41 | Nightray | I provided DHCP Hostname and now it asks me about "Hostname" |
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| 23:12.50 | ovidiu-florin | I have a couple of sftp-server processes that are stuck in uninteruptible sleep and it hung the machine reboot. I don't know what to do. I don't want to hard reboot. Please help |
| 23:13.32 | ovidiu-florin | please mention me if you answer me, I'm super tired and I might fall asleep |
| 23:13.34 | yates | ovidiu-florin: is there a systemctl service file for them? |
| 23:13.42 | dvs | Nightray: Oh, it was asking for the DHCP hostname. The name or the address of your hub. |
| 23:13.59 | Walex | ovidiu-florin: if they are stuck in "uninterruptible" sleep there is not much that you can do... |
| 23:14.42 | Walex | ovidiu-florin: but there can be other details that might help. |
| 23:14.44 | ovidiu-florin | yates: just ths ssh one |
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| 23:15.03 | ovidiu-florin | Walex: I would like to find out what are they waiting for |
| 23:15.09 | ovidiu-florin | and KILL IT! |
| 23:15.13 | yates | ovidiu-florin: try "systemctl stop sshd.service" |
| 23:15.38 | yates | ovidiu-florin: you will spend decades if you start trying to understand every nuance like that in your os. |
| 23:15.44 | ovidiu-florin | this machine is not on systemd yet |
| 23:15.54 | tremon | ovidiu-florin: are you running jessie? |
| 23:16.00 | yates | ewe. |
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| 23:16.31 | shay_shay | hello. |
| 23:16.35 | ovidiu-florin | I'm running a variant of Debian 7 |
| 23:16.47 | Nightray | dvs, let's assume for a minute - just for fun - that I am an idiot. How do I know what my DHCP Hostname is? |
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| 23:17.13 | ovidiu-florin | Nightray: the DHCP servers hostname? |
| 23:17.39 | tremon | ovidiu-florin: yes, that's current stable. I was just curious because yates was immediately jumping to systemd commands instead of the debian tools |
| 23:17.55 | dvs | Nightray: It had to be configured at one time or another. The hub could have come with a default address. |
| 23:19.12 | Nightray | dvs, This is the first dialog box during the installation. So unless this is something I configured on Windows, I have no idea what it is |
| 23:19.19 | ovidiu-florin | tremon: maybe it would have been better if I had systemd |
| 23:19.29 | ovidiu-florin | but I don't think that will happen soon |
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| 23:19.46 | dvs | Nightray: It's whatever your network connection is connected to. |
| 23:20.21 | yates | ovidiu-florin: i have the feeling your problem is really something else. i reboot all the time with ssh logins active |
| 23:20.27 | tremon | ovidiu-florin: no way to know :). But as others have said, if a process is unkillable (i.e. it doesn't listen to kill -9 either), there's little chance of a clean shutdown. Although the damage may be very limited |
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| 23:21.13 | ovidiu-florin | the damage is that when it bood it checks quotas for about an hour |
| 23:21.22 | ovidiu-florin | that's 60 mins of down time |
| 23:21.27 | ovidiu-florin | minimum |
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| 23:21.52 | ovidiu-florin | boots* |
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| 23:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ovidiu-florin, the thing with the unkillable processes is something in the kernel... unlikely that systemd will change it |
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| 23:23.48 | ovidiu-florin | CutMeOwnThroat: you're right, but systemd would take more care to avoid these kind of situations |
| 23:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt it |
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| 23:24.26 | Nightray | dvs, I am trying to google how to find out my DHCP Hostname but I can't find anything. I have no idea how to configure network |
| 23:24.50 | Stargazers | Nightray: DHCP hostname? You get hostname from DHCP also? |
| 23:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ovidiu-florin, main thing would be to figure out what they are waiting for... mostly it's disks... it's usually a hardware-matter |
| 23:24.59 | tremon | Nightray: I have never had the installer asking for any dhcp hostname. It also defeats the purpose of having a dhcp server |
| 23:25.31 | tremon | Nightray: I think the installer is asking for your local hostname and domain name? |
| 23:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ovidiu-florin, you might try the sysrq stuff before you re-boot if a regular boot just becomes stuck on shutting down. |
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| 23:26.43 | Nightray | tremore: I clicked "retry network configuration with a DHCP hostname" now it asks me what my DHCP hostname is. |
| 23:27.00 | Nightray | It also says that most users can leave it blank, though the default value is 'Debian' |
| 23:27.26 | Nightray | so I don't now if I should leave it as 'debian' or delete and leave blank or change to something |
| 23:27.35 | tremon | ovidiu-florin: you may need to run sysctl -w kernel.sysrq=1 before rebooting, as some of the more useful commands have been disabled by default |
| 23:28.18 | Stargazers | Nightray: Just set it to whatever, let it be "debian" if you want to. |
| 23:28.21 | tremon | Nightray: that's still your local hostname, not the name of another server on your network. But I don't have an installer handy to confirm that |
| 23:28.28 | dvs | Nightray: The default, debian, is your hostname, nothing to do with DHCP |
| 23:28.49 | Stargazers | Nightray: Do you know what is DHCP btw or do you need help explaining it? |
| 23:29.27 | ovidiu-florin | it seems that one of my drives is up to something |
| 23:29.34 | ovidiu-florin | ls -lah got stuck on it |
| 23:29.42 | ovidiu-florin | ^C does not kill the ls |
| 23:29.49 | Stargazers | Whatabout "kill" |
| 23:29.53 | Nightray | dvs, it asks me about hostname on the next screen so I assume that DHCP Hostname is something different, though I can give both the same name |
| 23:30.15 | Stargazers | It asks DHCP hostname? O.o |
| 23:30.45 | dvs | Nightray: No, what does it say exactly for "DHCP hostname" |
| 23:30.55 | Nightray | Stargazers: It's a network protocol. Though this is where my knowledge ends |
| 23:31.21 | ovidiu-florin | how can I test if a HDD is failing? |
| 23:31.33 | dvs | ovidiu-florin: smarttools |
| 23:31.57 | Stargazers | Nightray: Ok. DHCP is a way to get your network settings automatically (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol), eg. your computer gets IP address, DNS-settings etc. from DHCP server. |
| 23:32.30 | Nightray | dvs, "You may need to supply a DHCP host name. If you are using a cable modem, you might need to specify an account number here. Most users can just leave this blank" |
| 23:33.10 | tremon | ovidiu-florin: if your system is that far gone, you will no doubt see error messages in dmesg |
| 23:33.12 | Nightray | and the default value was Debian |
| 23:33.13 | Stargazers | Ok... so it seems that it didn't automatically got settings from DHCP. |
| 23:33.14 | dvs | Nightray: What is the other end of the network connected to? |
| 23:33.32 | ovidiu-florin | I see messages on the screen that don't make sense |
| 23:33.35 | tremon | ovidiu-florin: also, if that's the case, you should prepare for much more downtime than your 1-hour quota check |
| 23:33.36 | ovidiu-florin | sometimes |
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| 23:33.53 | Nightray | computer -> cable -> router -> cable -> modem -> cable -> wall |
| 23:34.15 | Stargazers | Is your cables ok? |
| 23:34.22 | Stargazers | Can you see lights on modem and router? |
| 23:34.33 | Nightray | so I assume it asks me about my router |
| 23:35.01 | dvs | Nightray: Leave it blank. The router should provide an address. |
| 23:35.50 | Nightray | well... given that I am talking too you through a wifi from the same router I will take a wild guess and say that my connection is fine |
| 23:36.16 | Nightray | okay, blank it is |
| 23:37.01 | Nightray | dvs soooo.... "The name " " is invalid" |
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| 23:37.43 | Nightray | it needs a name, should I type the default value, "Debian"? |
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| 23:38.04 | dvs | Nightray: Yeah, just use the default name. |
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| 23:39.23 | Nightray | nothing encourages leaving windows behind like 40 minute struggle to fill one box during the installation :) |
| 23:39.46 | dvs | Nightray: Knowing how the network is setup would be better. ;-) |
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| 23:40.33 | yoLo_ | how do i add my user name to the sudoers list ? |
| 23:40.41 | Nightray | now it's asking about the domain name |
| 23:40.55 | Stargazers | yoLo_: /etc/sudoers file? |
| 23:41.00 | Nightray | why Debian hates me so much? |
| 23:41.04 | Stargazers | yoLo_: As a root |
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| 23:41.25 | Stargazers | Nightray: Maybe it has a bad day. Try to talk to more friendly to it, so he might have a better attitude towards you :) |
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| 23:43.24 | Stargazers | yoLo_: Did you got that file opened? |
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| 23:43.48 | Nightray | Stargazers: the only Debian based OS that has more friendly attitude towards me is Ubuntu. But it looks awful with Unity so I will go ahead and slap Debian across the monitor and tell it to get its shit together |
| 23:44.09 | sheap | Nightray: xubuntu is a nice alternative |
| 23:44.26 | Stargazers | Nightray: Try to spank it then, just in case it helps :D Computers like it. |
| 23:44.53 | Nightray | sheap: that's not helping. I wanna install debian. I cannot be defeated by the installer |
| 23:45.09 | yoLo_ | Stargazers: i have sudoers opened |
| 23:45.24 | sheap | Nightray: sorry just joined, didn't see the whole problem |
| 23:45.35 | Stargazers | yoLo_: As a root? Do you need help how to add ppl on it or what? |
| 23:45.41 | yoLo_ | yes as root |
| 23:45.59 | yoLo_ | yea i want to add user |
| 23:46.17 | Stargazers | Let me see... |
| 23:46.52 | Stargazers | %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL <-- I have this line. |
| 23:47.08 | Stargazers | And comment says that "# Allow members of group sudo to execute any command" |
| 23:47.13 | Stargazers | Do you have that kind of line? |
| 23:47.33 | yoLo_ | Stargazers: yes i have that |
| 23:47.53 | Stargazers | yoLo_: Then, have you tried to add any users to group "sudo"? |
| 23:48.13 | yoLo_ | Stargazers: how do i do this ? |
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| 23:48.22 | Stargazers | useradd or adduser, let me see... |
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| 23:49.07 | yoLo_ | adduser |
| 23:49.08 | Stargazers | yoLo_: http://www.debiantutorials.com/adding-a-sudoer-to-use-sudo-on-debian/ <-- You can directly also add your user there. |
| 23:49.45 | Stargazers | Of course modify that help to suit your needs as you would propably understood anyway :) |
| 23:49.45 | Nightray | okay, so it says that I can make something up but I have to use the same domain name on every computer. I have some laptops with windows but I never used domain names so I asume that I don't have to worry about this and I can type anything |
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| 23:50.52 | dvs | Nightray: Yeah, type almost anything except for an existing domain (like google.com) |
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| 23:51.39 | Nightray | dvs, I left it blank, no error so far, so I think it's fine |
| 23:51.49 | dvs | sure |
| 23:51.53 | Stargazers | Let's hope best. |
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| 23:52.21 | Stargazers | And hope that now your computer does not try to hack google servers and you won't be going to jail because of that debian installation ;) |
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| 23:54.44 | super9mega | is there any reason that when i add the source for unstable debian, and do apt-get dist-upgrade it only lets me go up to jessie |
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| 23:54.55 | sheap | super9mega: apt-get update first |
| 23:55.18 | super9mega | i did, many times, i have been using this for a few weeks now |
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| 23:56.26 | dvs | super9mega: You tried to backport a package from unstable? |
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| 23:58.39 | dvs | super9mega: please don't pm me. |
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