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| 00:53.18 | baegle | so, I'm installing Debian 7 from USB and when partitioning the drives it sees the USB as /sda and the main hard drive as /sdb. I partition /sdb and install everything to it, then I get to the GRUB installation step and it tries to install it to the MBR on /sda instead of /sdb! What am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:11.12 | rebauld | you can install it yourself on sdb - either edit the conf or use update grub command line ... |
| 01:11.16 | xand | baegle: umm, there's an option then to not do that and install on sdb instead |
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| 01:11.46 | xand | (choose No to the question it asks maybe, can't remember exactly) |
| 01:12.23 | baegle | xand: duh. Thanks. Just tried it and it fails to install on /dev/sdb for some reason... Should I do it to the boot partition? |
| 01:12.39 | xand | hmm |
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| 01:19.13 | baegle | hmm, nothing is working.... |
| 01:19.29 | baegle | not even with grub-installer |
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| 01:23.47 | baegle | I jumped to a terminal and typed "grub-installer /dev/sbd" and got the following "ls: /dev/sdb/proc: Not a directory" |
| 01:23.52 | baegle | which seems weird |
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| 01:24.20 | rebauld | you should do it with chroot? |
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| 01:26.16 | edju | Running stable and KDE. This macbook will go to sleep but will not resume, requiring a hard reboot. I booted into OSX and sleep/resume was flawless. I thought maybe it was because of the recently updated proprietary nvidia driver. So, uninstalled it and ran with nouveau, but still nogo. Finally, installed the proprietary from backports. No resume still. I've googled a lot but couldn't find anything helpful. If anyone has a point |
| 01:26.16 | edju | er to a good rundown on this, greatly appreciated. |
| 01:26.41 | edju | Ack! Sorry, try again! |
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| 01:27.59 | LordCreepity | so i got that laptop's wifi working |
| 01:28.32 | LordCreepity | i let my sisters on (booted into windows) and they complained about slowness |
| 01:28.40 | LordCreepity | so put them on debian |
| 01:29.05 | rebauld | tell them to quit sexting |
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| 01:29.12 | LordCreepity | they are like "wow, this is cool" and "its so much faster now |
| 01:29.15 | LordCreepity | wat |
| 01:29.49 | rebauld | well known that isps use qos slowness on sexting stuff |
| 01:29.51 | LordCreepity | all i can say is that these are normal users, and i got them on linux |
| 01:30.01 | LordCreepity | rebauld: i mean pc slowness |
| 01:30.04 | LordCreepity | not internet |
| 01:30.15 | LordCreepity | and for that, i cheer |
| 01:30.30 | rebauld | yea windows is bloated .. |
| 01:30.52 | LordCreepity | this is a laptop from almost 10 years ago with half a gig of ram running win xp |
| 01:31.00 | LordCreepity | so yeah... |
| 01:31.19 | LordCreepity | \o/ |
| 01:31.19 | rebauld | for experimentation my pentium 650MHz with linux compiles fpc code faster then fpc on a 2Ghz windows machine |
| 01:31.28 | LordCreepity | lol |
| 01:32.10 | rebauld | if they really want windows they run so much stuff by default - you can turn a lot of it off too |
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| 01:32.44 | LordCreepity | yeh |
| 01:33.14 | LordCreepity | but they are running modern browsers on that thing, and its simply ridiculous |
| 01:33.23 | rebauld | same with debian - run rcconf or chkconfig -list and see all that you might not need running by default |
| 01:33.30 | LordCreepity | also, they say debian (gnome 3) looks pretty and cool |
| 01:33.47 | LincKraker | hey i like gnome 3 |
| 01:33.52 | LordCreepity | same |
| 01:33.53 | r3m | ,v eggdrop |
| 01:33.54 | judd | Package: eggdrop on i386 -- squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2; wheezy: 1.6.20-1; sid: 1.6.21-4; jessie: 1.6.21-4 |
| 01:34.12 | LordCreepity | but on my day-to-day machine, i use cinnamon + linux mint |
| 01:34.19 | rebauld | come on you guys give fluxbox a chance too |
| 01:34.24 | LordCreepity | lol |
| 01:34.24 | baegle | rebauld: It's not working |
| 01:34.36 | LordCreepity | broken package? |
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| 01:34.49 | baegle | rebauld: I tried chrooting to /target with bash, but /dev/ doesn't list my hard drives |
| 01:34.50 | LincKraker | rebauld: i used fluxbox on super low powered machines a decade ago |
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| 01:35.09 | rebauld | baegle: populate it yourself |
| 01:35.17 | baegle | rebauld: That I don't know how to do... |
| 01:35.24 | rebauld | man cp -a |
| 01:35.29 | LordCreepity | MAKEDEV standard |
| 01:35.32 | baegle | oh, that easy? |
| 01:35.34 | LordCreepity | or something like that |
| 01:35.42 | LordCreepity | read "man MAKEDEV" |
| 01:36.04 | rebauld | LordCreepity: he is faking a chroot thing - makedev is for real / (unless makedev has a chroot thing |
| 01:36.25 | LordCreepity | ah |
| 01:36.38 | LordCreepity | didn't know makedev depended on your root |
| 01:37.01 | rebauld | baegle: you probably won't even need the chroot if you copy the /dev/* to where it is looking for it |
| 01:37.11 | rebauld | makedev -> /dev :) |
| 01:37.21 | LordCreepity | but in a chroot |
| 01:37.28 | LordCreepity | run it in there |
| 01:37.41 | LordCreepity | /target/dev to it is /dev |
| 01:37.54 | rebauld | and from man makedev you can specifiy a dir .. so you are correct too |
| 01:38.11 | LordCreepity | and i thought it would simply make the devices in the current dir as well if unspecified |
| 01:38.21 | LincKraker | rebauld: i take it back. it wasn't fluxbox it was blackbox back then |
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| 01:38.43 | rebauld | cp -a is probably less foolproof - he might be leaving a lot of breakage behind him |
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| 01:39.07 | rebauld | LincKraker: was the in the early 1950s? ;) |
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| 01:40.23 | baegle | rebauld: damn. I fubar'ed it |
| 01:40.31 | baegle | gotta redo my boot media and start over I guess |
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| 01:44.40 | baegle | boot |
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| 01:49.07 | rebauld | baegle: just be methodical - if it is missing files just copy them to where it wants them - you can delete them later once it boots for you |
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| 01:49.59 | baegle | rebauld: It's missing proc on /dev/sdb |
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| 01:50.04 | baegle | that's not something I can handle |
| 01:50.26 | baegle | the guided installer can't install grub for some reason |
| 01:50.35 | baegle | It gets a fatal error with no information no matter I choose |
| 01:50.42 | rwiggins | Hey folks: I'm trying to boot Debian without any monitor attached (intel hd 2500 integrated graphics), but it seems to hang in the boot process. I have kms disabled "options i915 modeset=0" or whatever in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf. What else do I need to do to get this works? |
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| 01:50.55 | rwiggins | this to work*, sorry. I'm mentally burned out from debugging this :P |
| 01:51.10 | rebauld | baegle: mkdir /dev/sdb/dev ; cp -a /dev/* /dev/sdb/dev |
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| 01:51.44 | baegle | rebauld: ??? How would that help grub-installer find /dev/sdb/proc? |
| 01:51.46 | rebauld | rwiggins: can you ssh in? |
| 01:51.47 | rwiggins | I should mention, I am not running X at all |
| 01:51.54 | rwiggins | rebauld: Nope, and it does not respond to pings, etc. |
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| 01:52.29 | rwiggins | Now if I connect it (via HDMI) to a monitor, it then boots and everything just fine. |
| 01:52.46 | rebauld | baegle: mkdir /dev/sdb/proc ; cp -a /proc/* /dev/sdb/proc it will never finish so hope you get what is needed - see if you can get progress |
| 01:52.52 | baegle | and here's me not being able to figure out how to configure the partitions properly, so restarting the encrypted LVM on the full disk and queue me waiting for hours before I can figure it out |
| 01:53.00 | baegle | rebauld: that's not methodical, that's drunker shotgun |
| 01:53.20 | rebauld | then go fy lol |
| 01:53.21 | rwiggins | Although, if I try to connect it to my VGA console (via HDMI->VGA adapter) it simply hangs in the boot (without even printing any debug messages, etc). So it seems like whatever in the boot process concerns monitors is really fragile. |
| 01:54.20 | rwiggins | Should mention, I am running the latest Debian wheezy |
| 01:54.25 | rwiggins | installed freshly today |
| 01:54.25 | baegle | rebauld: you all treat people like that in Utah? |
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| 01:55.43 | rebauld | now you are not just an arrogant poff but a stalker? |
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| 01:56.17 | baegle | Not sure how you think I'm coming off as arrogant. proc isn't block storage |
| 01:56.44 | baegle | the idea that you can just cp it wherever when trying to install a bootloader seems like you have no idea what you're talking about, but just kind of shooting in the dark |
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| 02:02.26 | rebauld | dude i've done it many times |
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| 02:05.10 | baegle | you've copied proc from the target of an installation to the USB installation media and installed grub via grub-installer on the target drive? |
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| 02:06.32 | rebauld | to a usb drive - but same thing - |
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| 02:07.13 | Psil0Cybin | Hey guys quick question i am trying to install wireshark on debian, using apt-get install wireshark, now I have it installed and it wont find my devices unless I run it as root (obviously not recommended) I typed in dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common and it says that allowing nonroot users to run wireshark/being allowed to capture packets, could be a security risk....why is this? |
| 02:07.23 | Psil0Cybin | Is that not what is recommended when installing it on linux? |
| 02:07.37 | Psil0Cybin | then after dpkg, running usermod -a -G wireshark $USER |
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| 02:08.25 | AnotherDeadBody | having trouble changing the limit in debian 7 no matter what i try they stay at ulimit -Sn 1024 |
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| 02:09.20 | kamaru | hello ! |
| 02:10.19 | kamaru | anybody here ? |
| 02:10.29 | Psil0Cybin | we are all here kamaru |
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| 02:10.41 | Psil0Cybin | we are all waiting for answers. |
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| 02:35.16 | mo1991reg | can someone point me in the right direction of undeleting some files I accidentally deleted? Checking out test disk. It sees deleted files on my fat32 usb stick, but doesn't seem to be able to list the deleted files on my luks encrypted linux drive. Any thoughts? |
| 02:35.23 | mo1991reg | or a different program? |
| 02:35.55 | mo1991reg | it's only a few files |
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| 02:36.56 | mo1991reg | never mind looks like testdisk can't do ext3 or 4. Any ideas of a program that does? |
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| 02:39.50 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: wireshark is able to read network traffic for the whole box. Allowing unprivileged users to do this can allow users to obtain information they wouldn't have access to otherwise |
| 02:39.51 | rebauld | testdisk or photorec? |
| 02:40.08 | rebauld | ^^ mo1991reg |
| 02:40.42 | rebauld | mo1991reg: of course testdisk/photorec and do ext3/4 |
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| 02:40.54 | rebauld | it can even do ntfs ;) |
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| 02:45.39 | LordCreepity | http://svn.codehaus.org/groovy/trunk/groovy/groovy-core/src/main/org/codehaus/groovy/runtime/ArrayUtil.java |
| 02:46.49 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: what is the best method of installing wireshark, than .... clearly if i add my self to group than what you stated is correct / same with rudding it under su..... |
| 02:46.53 | Psil0Cybin | so is a VM the only method?? |
| 02:46.56 | Psil0Cybin | that is somewhat secure.. |
| 02:47.34 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: Just don't add anyone else to the group, and make sure no one has the ability to add themselves or anyone else to the group |
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| 02:48.02 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: That's enough to prevent the wrong people from running it, unless they can get into the system as you. |
| 02:48.46 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: so If i just add my user, no one else....and no one has access to that account, i should be safe? |
| 02:49.10 | Psil0Cybin | or can i be worried that other programs I execute could potentially have access to wireshark to capture packets? |
| 02:50.06 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: Sure, a trojan like that is a problem. You could potentially create a new user just for wireshark use and escalate to that user when using wireshark |
| 02:50.37 | mo1991reg | rebauld - is the version for debian wheezy just old? |
| 02:51.14 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: so would creating a new user, just for wireshark be the safe method? like I am just confused if I should add my main user account to the wireshark group the one I use when I am on my laptop, that only I have access too... |
| 02:51.22 | Psil0Cybin | sorry I just want to wrap my head around this and understnad.. |
| 02:51.25 | rebauld | mo1991reg: no? |
| 02:52.10 | rebauld | mo1991reg: ext3 is like antique |
| 02:52.17 | mo1991reg | on the http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step#Recover_deleted_files site it says only ext2? |
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| 02:52.59 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: The safest thing to do is to force yourself to become root when you want to use Wireshark. The next safest thing to do is create a user that can use wireshark and su to that user when appropriate, providing that your sudo is configured to prevent the wrong users from becoming that use |
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| 02:53.34 | mo1991reg | rebauld yes i'm trying to undelete from ext4 - but when i hit list files option in advanced it doesn't do anything. for fat32 there is an undelete option and it shows the deleted files, but for my ext4 drives it doesn't have undelete option and the list option does nothing? |
| 02:54.15 | Psil0Cybin | baegle, when you say "force" myself to become root, do you mean using the su command than running wireshark? It says that is unsecure.... |
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| 02:55.23 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: What does "it" say exactly? I'm not sure I understand how escalating to root and then running wireshark is unsecure |
| 02:55.27 | Psil0Cybin | and how would I find out if my sudo is configured to prevent the wrong users from becoming that user? Sorry I do not know thaaat much about linux, but I can follow instructions ....I just want to do this in the most practical safe manner...I need wireshark for school and my school wants me to use Windows with it, but I hate windows and only use Debian. |
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| 02:56.12 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: it says "Running as user "root" and group "root". |
| 02:56.13 | Psil0Cybin | This could be dangerous. |
| 02:56.13 | Psil0Cybin | If you're running Wireshark this way in order to perform live capture, you may want to be aware that there is a better way documented at /usr/share/doc/wireshark-common/README.Debian" |
| 02:56.35 | mo1991reg | rebauld - I do have the partition encrypted with luks. does that matter? |
| 02:56.38 | Psil0Cybin | but the README.Debian states to add my self to group |
| 02:56.46 | rebauld | mo1991reg: i have a hard time with that - get the source and compile it it is easy |
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| 02:57.23 | rebauld | does it recognize the partition and it probably doesn do unencryption - run it in the unecrypted dir |
| 02:57.46 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: Which is what most people running Debian do. If you're worried about being tricked into running wireshark from another program, then don't add yourself to the group and create a new user (wshark) and su to that user when you want to run the program |
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| 02:58.11 | baegle | this should prevent you from being tricked into running wireshark since you won't have the permission and it allows you to run it without being root |
| 02:59.08 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: okay so let me just restate your information so it sticks in my head, running wireshark from su and adding my main user to group is not a good idea, creating a new user, adding that new user to wireshark group is... |
| 02:59.10 | Psil0Cybin | correct? |
| 02:59.33 | Psil0Cybin | or do you think just typing su, and wireshark (running as root) would be okay if i installed it from the repos |
| 02:59.33 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: only if you're concerned about being tricked into running wireshark |
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| 03:00.11 | Psil0Cybin | Okay thank you, so su - wireshark would not be another alternative? like the warning holds water...or u think i can run it from su simply. |
| 03:00.14 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: I don't fully understand why running wireshark as root would be insecure, other than that it's best practice to not need root for these types of actions |
| 03:00.56 | linuxuz3r | is gnome store available in debian |
| 03:01.13 | baegle | su - wireshark is a problem because you'd need to add a password to the wireshark user, which is not appropriate |
| 03:01.42 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: it just says running it as root simply is not recommended that is the problem i mean |
| 03:02.04 | Psil0Cybin | because the first time i typed su, than ran wireshark as root |
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| 03:02.18 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: root shouldn't be used to do things like homework. It should be used, minimally, to administer the local system and that's it |
| 03:03.17 | baegle | However, use of wireshark should be considered a "privilege" and you give it out to specific people because only people you trust should run wireshark on your host |
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| 03:04.09 | baegle | you do that with the wireshark group. If you don't trust yourself to not fall into a trap and run wireshark against your will, then give the privilege to another user only you have access to |
| 03:04.16 | baegle | and then become that user when you want to run wireshark |
| 03:05.39 | linuxuz3r | is there debian store |
| 03:05.47 | linuxuz3r | like ubuntu store |
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| 03:06.32 | linuxuz3r | oh nvm |
| 03:07.01 | linuxuz3r | anyone |
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| 03:11.30 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: thank you so much. so would I create a new user, and run the dpkg command under that user? sudo dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common |
| 03:13.34 | Psil0Cybin | i am semi new to linux, just want to make sure I configure this correctly :) / in a recommended manner. |
| 03:14.14 | rebauld | baegle: what wireshark having a password? you run it as root |
| 03:14.36 | rebauld | only way you can access to the interfaces |
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| 03:16.57 | Psil0Cybin | linuxuz3r: debian does not have a store like Ubuntu |
| 03:17.05 | Psil0Cybin | you install everything via apt-get install... |
| 03:17.08 | linuxuz3r | gnome-software |
| 03:17.20 | linuxuz3r | https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Software |
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| 03:20.48 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: I guess ill go with the method of creating a new user, etc so would I create a new user and then follow the commands listed like dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common and usermod -a -G wireshark $USER as the usercreated for wireshark? |
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| 03:22.30 | Psil0Cybin | rebauld: well that is what i am super confused about, I need root in order to access my devices but i also am aware running the program as root as inot a good idea :O |
| 03:23.22 | baegle | dpkg-reconfigure and usermod need to be run with root privileges |
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| 03:27.05 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: so how do i know if i am adding the new user to the group? Sorry just want to double check, I am doing this properly...to be honest I never created a new user via terminal |
| 03:27.12 | Psil0Cybin | i always just used my stock user account |
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| 03:28.09 | rebauld | Psil0Cybin: it is a program that ROOT runs - then don't use it if you can't be trusted as root on your own computer |
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| 03:29.37 | rebauld | Psil0Cybin: try running fdisk as a user ;) |
| 03:29.58 | centrx | Psil0Cybin, Here's a possibility: http://packetlife.net/blog/2010/mar/19/sniffing-wireshark-non-root-user/ |
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| 03:32.46 | Psil0Cybin | rebauld: okay so I wil lcreate a new user, just incase! although I do think I can be trusted, but after I create the new user, how would I add that user to the wireshark group....Normally it says to run the dpkg-reconfigure command for wireshark....would I su into that user and then run those commands? |
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| 03:33.15 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: `adduser newuser` will create the user |
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| 03:33.31 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: then `adduser newuser wireshark` will add that user to the group |
| 03:34.00 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: said dpkg-reconfigure and usermod need to be run with root priviliages, so obviously i would be root when I do that, via SU but I instead of $USER I would add the account i created? |
| 03:34.19 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: if the group is not created already i was told dpkg-reconfigure would do that...correct? |
| 03:35.03 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: If that's what the doc says, then that's what it'll do |
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| 03:36.59 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: so dpkg wont just add my current user to group? silly last question, then thank you i will deff save this whole chat so i never ask these questions agan. |
| 03:37.02 | Psil0Cybin | you guys are actually amazing. |
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| 03:37.46 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: no, dpkg will not add any users to any groups for you in this case |
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| 03:38.23 | Psil0Cybin | thank you baegle :D You guys are amazing...now when I create the new user, is that simply enough or does that new user get another password? Ugh last silly question :P Just you guys are wizards in my oppinion :D |
| 03:38.53 | baegle | Psil0Cybin: the adduser script will prompt you to setup a password |
| 03:39.05 | Psil0Cybin | thank you. :D that is all...you guys once again are amazing! |
| 03:39.13 | Psil0Cybin | baegle: thank you also personally. |
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| 03:40.23 | rebauld | what shell does you wireshark use have? <---- you created a security risk |
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| 03:43.28 | Psil0Cybin | rebauld: ? |
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| 04:01.31 | SirLagz | etech3: apt-get purge openssh-server and then reinstall it ? |
| 04:01.43 | etech3 | did that |
| 04:01.58 | SirLagz | etech3: did you have any custom config files in ~ ? |
| 04:02.14 | etech3 | no just standard install |
| 04:03.06 | SirLagz | etech3: blow away the config on both client and server and start again ? |
| 04:03.40 | etech3 | should I purge both sides? |
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| 04:04.20 | SirLagz | etech3: purge whichever side you needed to setup to setup ssh auto login. remove all the keys as well and regenerate new ones |
| 04:05.13 | etech3 | OK I'll try that |
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| 04:52.25 | DYO_1 | I'm looking for the solution to this: Debian 7, nouveau driver, DVI-I-1 reported by xrandr, black borders. I did http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting/#index9h3 and http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting/#index4h3 but it does not work right. Can someone help me? VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation nForce 220/420 NV11 [GeForce2 MX] (rev b1) |
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| 04:54.04 | t4nk625 | hi, i waned to know how to setup hibernation in debian wheezy. the details at https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/hibernate were not helpful |
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| 05:16.22 | elco_ | hi |
| 05:16.23 | elco_ | Pristine debian base system: /etc/init.d/networking restart will not bring up eth0 again. I have to ifup eth0 manually (using the vm virtual screen directly as ssh is disconnected until re-upping it) |
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| 05:18.08 | LAMEBOA | hi, I am unable to fix "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default" issue |
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| 05:18.32 | LAMEBOA | I have installed all the possible graphics driver for my laptop |
| 05:18.49 | LAMEBOA | I have a Dell Lattitude E6440 with Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 05:19.40 | Rusty1 | elco_: what does /etc/network/interfaces look like |
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| 05:19.58 | Rusty1 | pastebin.org or dpaste.com pls |
| 05:20.12 | elco_ | Rusty1: it is quite empty, yes |
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| 05:22.13 | elco_ | Rusty1: http://pastebin.com/XGX2Jbdr |
| 05:22.23 | elco_ | I tried auto eth0 but it seems to be invalid. |
| 05:22.33 | elco_ | *to add |
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| 05:24.21 | Rusty1 | elco_: in a vm or bare metal? |
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| 05:32.43 | elco_ | damn he left |
| 05:32.45 | elco_ | nooo |
| 05:32.46 | elco_ | in a vm |
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| 05:45.36 | Kirito | /usr/bin/php still exists, even after I've purged every single PHP package from my system |
| 05:45.39 | Kirito | I have no idea why |
| 05:45.52 | Kirito | My PHP installation appears to be severely broken and I can't get rid of it, any advice is appreciated. |
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| 05:53.05 | harmaahylje | Kirito: I actually have no idea, but I just wonder if you have anything running PHP? |
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| 05:54.59 | Kirito | God really knows, I want to nuke this entire system and rebuild everything right now because it's a bit of a mess. Everything broke when I tried to add DotDeb as a repository for PHP, since Debian doesn't have readline support for PHP, and when I tried to compile readline for PHP it completely failed. (I know DotDeb isn't supported, but that doesn't explain why it's doing what it is right now) |
| 05:55.12 | Kirito | Nothing should be though |
| 05:55.25 | Kirito | PHP packages are listed as broken |
| 05:55.32 | Kirito | Aptitude is telling me I should re-install PHP as a solution |
| 05:55.36 | Kirito | (Ha ha) |
| 05:57.04 | Kirito | This is why I didn't want to touch DotDeb but I was pretty much backed into a corner |
| 05:57.14 | Kirito | Because compiling PHP manually is even more insane |
| 05:58.11 | centrx | Kirito, Using the Debian source packages and changing the compilation option (and dependency would be a good idea too) for readline, would probably work well when you install it again |
| 05:58.30 | Kirito | centrx, I tried that initially and it failed, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8225389 |
| 05:58.49 | Kirito | Or at least I tried to just compile the module for PHP itself |
| 05:58.53 | Kirito | Using Debian's source packages |
| 05:59.41 | Kirito | I'm still a bit bemused as to how php-cli still exists even though PHP is uninstalled |
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| 06:00.06 | Kirito | That means something seriously borked somewhere. |
| 06:00.11 | centrx | Kirito, Use dpkg-buildpackage to build Debian source package, result is a .deb package |
| 06:00.15 | nmschulte | Hey guys. I'm trying to use my phone via USB from inside VirtualBox. But, I'm getting an error (reading device descriptor failed). I've added a blank (match all) USB filter in VirtualBox's settings for the VM. |
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| 06:00.46 | nmschulte | I think the cdc_ether or cdc_acm module is kicking in automatically in linux somehow, and VirtualBox doesn't get a chance to do it's thing. Does that sound possible? I see messages in dmesg to that extent. |
| 06:00.53 | nmschulte | How can I prevent that? |
| 06:01.02 | Kirito | I would definitely consider that, but I need to figure out what's broken currently before I try and have apt re-install PHP |
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| 06:01.25 | centrx | right |
| 06:01.32 | centrx | Kirito, dpkg --purge <package name> doesn't work? |
| 06:01.59 | Kirito | Nope |
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| 06:02.28 | centrx | Does it give an error message? |
| 06:02.46 | centrx | Is the package listed in the package list as broken, or are you saying it's broken because there are leftover files? |
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| 06:04.20 | Kirito | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8225527 Broken |
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| 06:10.12 | yogeshp | Is it true that debian is libre/free without non-free repo? |
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| 06:11.38 | centrx | yogeshp, correct |
| 06:11.57 | centrx | yogeshp, https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 06:13.22 | yogeshp | then why did gnewsense created? |
| 06:14.45 | centrx | I think the main reason is that Debian does distribute non-free software |
| 06:14.52 | centrx | in the non-free repo |
| 06:15.34 | Kirito | and dear god why is Apache installed with php5 |
| 06:15.42 | Kirito | as a seeming dependency |
| 06:16.11 | centrx | yogeshp, http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
| 06:16.16 | Kirito | Because of mod-php5, which has no reason to be installed by default |
| 06:16.30 | Kirito | That pisses me off every time |
| 06:17.22 | yogeshp | centrx: thanks for the pointers. |
| 06:18.17 | SirLagz | Kirito: which package are you installing that requires php5 ? |
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| 06:18.39 | Kirito | SirLagz, None, when I install the php5 metapackage it installs apache |
| 06:18.49 | SirLagz | ah |
| 06:19.01 | Kirito | Because apparently the Apache php module is included with the metapackage by default |
| 06:19.11 | Kirito | Which is ridiculous in my opinion, it assumes everyone who uses PHP uses Apache |
| 06:19.33 | SirLagz | Kirito: bring it up with the pacakgers ? |
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| 06:28.36 | Kirito | Well fixing this was easy-ish enough |
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| 06:29.00 | Kirito | I still have no idea why it broke but just manually removing the binaries and forcing a re-install made update-alterantives shut up |
| 06:29.27 | Kirito | Hopefully it just works now, neh |
| 06:29.32 | SirLagz | lol |
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| 07:02.18 | solrize | when i look at debian.org homepage i see tons of security advisories some of which look serious, mentioning changes have been pushed into wheezy. but when i run apt-get update it doesn't seem to pull those changes. config problem or ... ? |
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| 07:03.30 | suggestor | solrize: do u have deb security in your apt/sources.list ? |
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| 07:04.28 | suggestor | like this: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
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| 07:05.22 | themill | solrize: apt-get update doesn't perform any package upgrades |
| 07:06.02 | solrize | yes security is in sources |
| 07:06.35 | solrize | hmm looks like apt-get upgrade is getting some stuff |
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| 07:20.37 | solrize | they don't backport those security fixes to squeeze any more ? |
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| 07:21.37 | solrize | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:22.25 | skiz | solrize: what ip? lol *i kid* |
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| 07:34.35 | McErroneous | Hi, how do i search for GNU GPL in apt-cache ? |
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| 07:44.08 | kingsley | McErroneous: $ apt-cache search GPL |
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| 07:46.08 | lxsameer | hey guys, Is there any utility to check the whole system permission and fix those which is not secure ? |
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| 08:04.24 | McErroneous | kingsley: are you sure i am going to get a hit ? |
| 08:05.06 | McErroneous | kingsley: have you tried it ? |
| 08:05.33 | McErroneous | kingsley: did you see the appropiate packet ? |
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| 08:31.59 | hypermist | how to uhm remove something |
| 08:32.09 | hypermist | like mysql |
| 08:32.12 | hypermist | uninstall it basically |
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| 08:36.56 | ChrisH | hypermist: are you looking for apt-get remove something? |
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| 08:38.04 | hypermist | ChrisH yep someone told be just before you did |
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| 08:43.06 | scoofy | gcc ---> "bash: gcc: command not found" |
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| 08:43.10 | scoofy | how is this possible? |
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| 08:43.41 | pfote | if its not installed ... |
| 08:43.46 | scoofy | it is. |
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| 08:44.11 | scoofy | when i log in as root, `which gcc` tells me /usr/bin/gcc |
| 08:44.18 | pfote | PATH screwed? |
| 08:44.19 | scoofy | why can't i run this as a normal user? |
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| 08:44.28 | scoofy | dunno, just installed Debian yesterday |
| 08:44.36 | scoofy | 7.7.0 fresh install |
| 08:45.17 | scoofy | PATH="...:/usr/bin:..." |
| 08:45.21 | scoofy | PATH seems fine |
| 08:45.23 | scoofy | why doesn't it run |
| 08:45.39 | pfote | strange |
| 08:45.42 | scoofy | it is. |
| 08:45.53 | scoofy | i've seen no linux system so far where gcc doesn't run by default... |
| 08:46.12 | pfote | thats not a default |
| 08:46.15 | rwiggins | scoofy: when you run `which gcc` as your user account, what do you get? |
| 08:46.29 | ChrisH | what does ldd $(which gcc) ; ls -l $(which gcc); file $(which gcc) show? paste.debian.net please |
| 08:46.43 | rwiggins | or all of that will do the trick ... ! :P |
| 08:46.45 | scoofy | rwiggins: nothing... |
| 08:46.57 | scoofy | `which gcc` ---> nothing |
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| 08:47.15 | ChrisH | scoofy: then there is your problem. |
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| 08:47.27 | scoofy | how is this possible? the folder is in PATH |
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| 08:47.34 | rwiggins | is PATH malformed? |
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| 08:48.08 | scoofy | PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" |
| 08:48.14 | ChrisH | scoofy: show us dpkg -l \*gcc\* and echo $PATH and ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 08:48.40 | ChrisH | scoofy: BTW, a very unusual PATH |
| 08:48.53 | scoofy | i didn't set it myself... |
| 08:49.23 | scoofy | installed Debian 7.7.0 -> installed XFCE4 -> installed LXDE. that's all I did. |
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| 08:52.38 | scoofy | hmmm.... http://paste.debian.net/140722/ |
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| 08:54.15 | ChrisH | scoofy: Lines 7-14 shows all gcc in uninstalled state. |
| 08:54.34 | scoofy | eh. doesn't it come installed by default? |
| 08:54.58 | ChrisH | scoofy: sorry overlooked line 13 |
| 08:55.35 | scoofy | anyways i did 'apt-get install gcc' and seems to work now... |
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| 08:57.30 | scoofy | oh. my fault. the PATH is from another box... lol |
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| 08:58.00 | scoofy | typed commands into the wrong terminal :) so it seems that gcc was just not installed, 'apt-get install gcc' fixed it. |
| 08:58.06 | scoofy | thanks |
| 08:58.43 | scoofy | for some reason i thought all *nix systems come with gcc installed |
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| 08:59.48 | ChrisH | scoofy: you do not need gcc on Debian normally, so no need to install it by default. |
| 09:00.02 | scoofy | what do you mean 'normally' - don't Linux users ever compile programs? |
| 09:00.16 | SirLagz | scoofy: depends on the user... |
| 09:00.18 | scoofy | how do you define 'normal' user |
| 09:00.20 | scoofy | you can't |
| 09:00.47 | ChrisH | scoofy: I do not need to compile on Debian as averything I need is packaged.... until I install virtualbox |
| 09:01.13 | scoofy | unfortunately the program i'm trying to install, doesn't come as a .deb package... so i have no other option than to compile it |
| 09:01.18 | SirLagz | ChrisH: or the nVidia drivers |
| 09:01.23 | scoofy | (as the case often) |
| 09:02.09 | ChrisH | SirLagz: I had too many bad expierience with nvidia so I avoid them |
| 09:02.22 | SirLagz | ChrisH: so what do you use ? Intel ? |
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| 09:02.54 | ChrisH | yes. I mostly have Laptop with Intel Graphics. |
| 09:03.00 | SirLagz | ah k |
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| 09:03.35 | scoofy | not sure if this is the best place to ask, but... is there a way to disable the 'library' in Iceweasel 31.3.0 that comes with the Debian 7.7.0 install? there used to be an option in about:config (something.useToolkitUI), I can't find it now. is that option disabled now? |
| 09:03.49 | SirLagz | scoofy: what library ? |
| 09:04.03 | scoofy | press Ctrl-Shift-Y |
| 09:04.08 | scoofy | opens a window titled "Library" |
| 09:04.18 | SirLagz | ah k. I'm not on my home machine to try it out lol |
| 09:04.21 | scoofy | i just want the old-school 'download list' instead of this "Library" |
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| 09:04.38 | scoofy | now it includes "history", "Tags", "bookmarks" and other unrelated stuff |
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| 09:05.01 | scoofy | in older vers of firefox, this Libarry could be disabled to revert to the plain download list |
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| 09:16.27 | scoofy | how to make apt-get download file form the net instead of seraching in 'cdrom' |
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| 09:17.16 | tomodachi | scoofy: modify /etc/apt/sources.list commenting the cdrom sources away |
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| 09:18.02 | scoofy | hm. interestingly, it contains the same line two times, one is commented out. |
| 09:18.41 | scoofy | that fixed it, thanks |
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| 09:23.37 | elco__ | hi |
| 09:23.41 | elco__ | So I installed + configured samba, even added 'wins' to hosts option in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 09:23.45 | elco__ | But still I cannot resolve (/ping) a host by its netbios/windows host name. |
| 09:23.48 | elco__ | The share server is a windows 7 computer. |
| 09:23.52 | elco__ | The samba using linux system should be the samba client. |
| 09:23.58 | elco__ | So what am I missing here? A package? wins + smbclient packages are both already installed. |
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| 09:24.02 | elco__ | I also rebooted but this hadn't resolved it. |
| 09:24.04 | elco__ | Debian Wheezy amd64 |
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| 09:26.37 | cryingfreeman | Hi! I have a autofs nfs4 mount (/lan/mainserver/home0) in Debian Wheezy stuck at "1 submounts remaining in /lan" ... The mounts are fed from LDAP with option "sec=krb5i" ... The kerberos ticket system seems to work as it should. Any hints on what might be wrong? |
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| 09:30.11 | ChrisH | cryingfreeman: My personall suggestion would be use NFS v3 not V4 |
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| 09:34.57 | tkl2 | Hi there |
| 09:35.18 | tkl2 | How do i create a live cd from a debootstrap? |
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| 09:42.00 | fraff | tkl2: use live-build |
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| 10:03.12 | imdea | Hi, one question I have a debian vm which a LVM volume as /opt partition, I resized it but when tried to boot it I've got an error saying that the fs has errors and I should run fsck, after doing fsck /dev/myvg/mypartition I get this: /dev/myvg/mypartition contains a file system with errors, check forced. Resize inode not valid. Recreate<y>? |
| 10:03.12 | imdea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.32 | fraff | imdea: I don't know, do you have recent backup ? |
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| 10:04.53 | imdea | fraff: from two days ago |
| 10:07.00 | ChrisH | imdea: how did you resize the volume? |
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| 10:08.00 | imdea | ChrisH, following these instructions: http://www.microhowto.info/howto/increase_the_size_of_an_lvm_logical_volume.html |
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| 10:11.01 | ChrisH | imdea: OK. there the lvol was only increased. did you run resize2fs ? |
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| 10:12.11 | ChrisH | imdea: I normally run lvextend and then resize2fs on the mounted lvol. I did this very often. |
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| 10:13.19 | imdea | ChrisH: yes I did. I umounted the lvol before doing anything. |
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| 10:14.53 | jelly | imdea: there's no need to umount ext3-ext4 when growing it. In fact, the online resize is the more common code path and probably less buggy. Shrinking however has to be done offline. |
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| 10:15.48 | jelly | imdea: did you perhaps do a vgcfgbackup before resizing? |
| 10:15.55 | imdea | jelly: I didn't know that, I thought that by umounting it would be safer. Now what I want is to get it working back |
| 10:16.01 | imdea | jelly, no |
| 10:16.39 | jelly | imdea: do you have logs of your resize process, the commands you ran and their output? |
| 10:17.11 | imdea | jelly: yes |
| 10:17.30 | ChrisH | imdea: increase is possible on mounted lvol. I would run the fsck -n /dev/vgX/lvolY and show the output on paste.debian.net add the logs jelly asked for |
| 10:17.43 | jelly | imdea: put those in a pastebin. |
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| 10:18.19 | imdea | ok but isn't it going to tell me that the resize inode is not valid and if I want to recreate it? |
| 10:18.56 | ChrisH | fsck -n asnwers n to all question but will show all possible questions and errors |
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| 10:20.37 | imdea | ok, so it's safe. Well as the last backup of that partition as I said before was from two days ago, I just mounted the volume and I'm doing a manual backup just in case. I'll do what you're saying as soon as this finish |
| 10:21.49 | ChrisH | imdea: while it is mounted, I would like to see df -h MOUNTPOINT and lvdisplay -v /dev/vgX/lvolY |
| 10:22.08 | ChrisH | imdea: just add it to the other stuff on the same paste |
| 10:22.12 | imdea | ChrisH: but it's mounted in the host machine, not in the vm |
| 10:23.32 | ChrisH | imdea: till now I thought I understood your problem. |
| 10:24.21 | imdea | ChrisH: let's see, I do have a debian virtual machine and inside that vm I do have a partition (/opt) which is a LVM in the host |
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| 10:25.26 | ChrisH | I am now lost with the VM-Host stuff. I expected the host has vmdk files as disk images and there we have LVM with LVols. Please also add df -h from host and VM to your paste. |
| 10:25.28 | imdea | in order to resize that lvol I unmounted it directly in the virtual machine, and from the host machine (which is a Debian Wheezy too) I executed the LVM commands in order to grow its filesystem |
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| 10:26.50 | imdea | then when I came to mount the lvol again in the vm (after doing the resize in the host), I realized that it still show me the old size, so I proceed to reboot the vm and when it was booting I got the error I said in the begginning |
| 10:27.32 | imdea | ChrisH: in this case I'm not using vmdk files (either files at all), but logical volumes in the host that are passed as partitions directly to the guests. |
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| 10:32.43 | ChrisH | imdea: what kind of VM are you using? I never saw such an approach in Linux before, sounds like Solaris Zones. I would prefer to see the df -h from both sides first |
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| 10:33.57 | imdea | ChrisH: Xen. |
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| 10:34.14 | imdea | ChrisH: I do not like to use files as a storage backends since they're slower. |
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| 10:41.36 | FireApe | Anyone know if lib32asound2 will be added to jessie? |
| 10:42.01 | petn-randall | FireApe: What is is supposed to do? |
| 10:42.17 | FireApe | I'm not sure, it's a dependency for teamviewer. |
| 10:42.21 | FireApe | It's in wheezy |
| 10:42.32 | petn-randall | FireApe: If it's libasound for 32 bit, Debian has multiarch for that. |
| 10:42.50 | FireApe | I've got i386 enabled |
| 10:42.58 | FireApe | But still no lib32asound2 |
| 10:43.07 | FireApe | It's listed on packages.debian as only in wheezy |
| 10:43.09 | FireApe | and oldstable |
| 10:43.43 | ChrisH | FireApe: which teamviewer version did you try? On Jessie Teamvier9 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1, libasound2, libfreetype6, zlib1g, libsm6, libxdamage1, libxext6, libxfixes3, libxrandr2, libxrender1, libxtst6 |
| 10:44.12 | FireApe | I used the 64bit deb from their website. |
| 10:44.40 | ChrisH | FireApe: I took the 32bit one and activated multiarch |
| 10:44.46 | FireApe | Hmm |
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| 10:45.09 | FireApe | I've enabled 32bit in fstab as I've got steam installed ok. |
| 10:45.15 | FireApe | I'll try the 32bit deb |
| 10:45.31 | imdea | ChrisH, ok here is the pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/140737/ |
| 10:45.45 | imdea | jelly: here it's: http://paste.debian.net/140737/ |
| 10:46.04 | tvlooy | is it possible to install a package with apt-get but make sure it doesn't start debconf interactively? I want to leave a package unconfigured (it's an unattended install) |
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| 10:48.26 | FireApe | ChrisH, seems I grabbed the "without multi-arch" deb, thanks for your help. Hopefully this mutliarch deb should be fine |
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| 10:50.36 | ChrisH | imdea: fsck -n on the host shows the same messages as inside the VM? |
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| 10:51.05 | imdea | ChrisH: don't know. I did that in the host. |
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| 10:52.31 | imdea | ChrisH: do you want me to do it inside the VM? |
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| 10:54.15 | ChrisH | imdea: I did not expected lines 14-17. check dmesg for something unexpected. As you mentioned to have a backup, I personally would now run the fsck -y on the filesystem and have the problems seen fixed. If it failes newfs and resore the backup. At least the fastest approach |
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| 10:55.32 | imdea | ChrisH: ok, the backup I made was basically mount the lvol into the host and do a cp to another partition, in theory in the worst scenario that would work if I want to restore if things go wrong right? |
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| 10:56.24 | ChrisH | imdea: it is expected to work. see http://www.vmexplore.com/check-repair-ext3-ext4-filesystem-oracle-linux/ for a similar problem. |
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| 10:59.17 | tvlooy | preseeding doesn't work for some reason, that's why I want to skip |
| 10:59.38 | imdea | ChrisH: ok, I'm crossing my fingers now :-) |
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| 11:02.37 | ChrisH | imdea: I only heard once about fsck doing a bad job... But that was reiserfsck |
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| 11:09.55 | guiniol | hello all. I'm looking at backup solutions. The ideal solution would be a self-hosted tarsnap, but it is not possible. Is there anything similar to rsnapshot where the backup script runs on the client to backup instead of the server where the files are stored? |
| 11:10.06 | guiniol | also, encryption, if possible |
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| 11:11.11 | supaplex | guiniol: so rsnapshot will not do? using ssh (transport) + luks (underlying storage)? |
| 11:11.42 | imdea | ChrisH: the fsck has already ended, however now the VM is up but I still see the filesystem with the old size. Should I run resize2fs again? |
| 11:11.47 | guiniol | supaplex: my problem with rsnapshot is that it can't backup to a remote server |
| 11:11.59 | RichiH | i am creating a partition on a raidset with existing GPT structure. how can i tell parted to start the new partition right after the last one? contrary to fdisk, it does not suggest sane defaults |
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| 11:12.09 | guiniol | It can only write the backups on local storage |
| 11:12.11 | RichiH | and google turns up empty, surprisingly |
| 11:12.23 | RichiH | or should i just not use parted in the first place? |
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| 11:12.34 | supaplex | guiniol: ahh. well, let me see if if my own script is suitable for public consumption. brb. |
| 11:12.40 | guiniol | I tried using sshfs, but it doesn't support hardlinks so rsnapshot wasn't happy |
| 11:12.55 | tomodachi | guiniol: so do rsnapshot to some local staging area then send the staging area over someplace else |
| 11:13.06 | musca | https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery |
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| 11:14.08 | guiniol | tomodachi: I set it up like this at some point, but the problem is that the staging area can take a lot of place after a while, so on a laptop it is not ideal |
| 11:14.12 | guiniol | musca: thanks |
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| 11:14.38 | guiniol | supaplex: I'd love to take a look if you have a script somewhere |
| 11:14.51 | supaplex | yup, cleaning it up a tad. :) 1m |
| 11:15.31 | ChrisH | imdea: resize2fs should not harm at all |
| 11:16.23 | imdea | ChrisH, I just don't understand why it's still showing with the old size if I've already ran resize2fs |
| 11:16.32 | jelly | imdea: can you show the output of "lvs" and "dumpe2fs -h /dev/vgname/lvname" |
| 11:16.47 | imdea | ok |
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| 11:19.16 | imdea | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/140745/ |
| 11:19.41 | supaplex | guiniol: https://code.google.com/p/rsyncplan/source/browse/rsyncplan.sh and http://paste.debian.net/140746/ |
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| 11:20.08 | guiniol | supaplex: thanks |
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| 11:22.56 | guiniol | supaplex: so this scripts backups the dirs in rbackup01, but it doesn't do rotations, right? |
| 11:23.03 | jelly | imdea: so it looks as if the filesystem hasn't been grown at all, "Block count: 15728640" is roughly 60GiB |
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| 11:23.59 | jelly | imdea: please verify consistency of your data before proceeding with an online resize2fs. |
| 11:24.25 | tomodachi | guiniol: so its alaptop you want to back up?! |
| 11:24.44 | guiniol | tomodachi: yes, a work laptop |
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| 11:25.14 | tomodachi | i would probably use btsync for replicating the data, then using a rsnapshot at the destination of the data for versioning |
| 11:25.19 | tomodachi | guiniol: |
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| 11:25.58 | guiniol | tomodachi: hum... I'll check btsync |
| 11:26.19 | supaplex | guiniol: It doesn't manage deleting old series. It just links to the most recent 20 snapshots (if available). |
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| 11:27.04 | supaplex | guiniol: i just rm -Rf old-date/ but I'm not out of room. lol. |
| 11:27.38 | guiniol | actually, is there anyway to mount a remote filesystem with encrypted traffic and support for symlinks and hardlinks? |
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| 11:27.52 | guiniol | supaplex: ok. sounds pretty nice |
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| 11:28.31 | imdea | jelly: just ran fsck -f again and then resize2fs and finally I see the new size of the lvol in the vm! |
| 11:28.37 | imdea | jelly: thank you so much! |
| 11:28.42 | imdea | ChrisH: thanks to you too! |
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| 11:29.10 | ChrisH | imdea: good its fixed now. |
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| 12:25.24 | no_gravity | Hello! I connected a new mouse to my debian machine but the mouse cursor does not move. What can I do to diagnose the issue further? |
| 12:26.31 | scoofy | lsusb? |
| 12:26.44 | scoofy | lsbusb -v |
| 12:27.10 | scoofy | no_gravity |
| 12:27.13 | no_gravity | scoofy: bash: lsbusb: command not found |
| 12:27.20 | scoofy | eh, i meant |
| 12:27.22 | scoofy | lsusb -v |
| 12:27.25 | scoofy | typo |
| 12:28.09 | no_gravity | scoofy: that spits out a ton of stuff |
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| 12:28.20 | scoofy | so do 'lsusb' first |
| 12:28.44 | scoofy | if you see your device, you can use 'lsusb -v -s bus:devnum |
| 12:28.49 | no_gravity | scoofy: maybe its this one? Bus 002 Device 002: ID 08ff:2810 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2810 |
| 12:29.05 | scoofy | lsusb -v -s 2:2 |
| 12:29.07 | scoofy | tells you |
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| 12:30.52 | mt27730 | Hello Ive upgade my debian wheezy. And now i dont found the task bar |
| 12:30.58 | no_gravity | scoofy: that also gives me stuff about AuthenTec |
| 12:31.19 | scoofy | is that your mouse's manufacturer? |
| 12:31.25 | no_gravity | scoofy: i think so |
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| 12:32.01 | scoofy | idVendor & idProduct |
| 12:32.04 | scoofy | look for those |
| 12:33.03 | scoofy | mt: which DE |
| 12:33.04 | eject_ck | How can I catch/log unsuccessful file writing attempt from some java application in Linux? lsof show only realtime data I need something continiously monitoring process by pid or process name |
| 12:33.09 | scoofy | mt27730 |
| 12:33.43 | petn-randall | eject_ck: The application should handle that. |
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| 12:34.11 | mt27730 | Scoofy DE ? |
| 12:34.26 | scoofy | desktop environment |
| 12:34.34 | eject_ck | petn-randall: it shoul'd but it's not unix admin way to hack application |
| 12:34.53 | eject_ck | I'm looking for something like strace |
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| 12:35.04 | mt27730 | Scoofy sorry : gnome |
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| 12:35.06 | petn-randall | eject_ck: Alternatively you can use strace to catch any write attempts and evaluate any errors there. |
| 12:35.14 | petn-randall | eject_ck: Hmm, yeah. :) |
| 12:36.02 | no_gravity | scoofy: i guess that thing is broken. |
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| 12:37.21 | scoofy | no_gravity, you might try googling for vendor & product id. maybe someone has run into same problem before |
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| 12:38.03 | no_gravity | scoofy: i think this device worked before with my computer. |
| 12:38.15 | scoofy | in debian? |
| 12:38.24 | no_gravity | scoofy: so it must somehow died. strange, because i only had it sitting in a locker. |
| 12:38.37 | mt27730 | Scoofy do you know why ? |
| 12:38.38 | no_gravity | scoofy: yes, i think it was always debian. |
| 12:38.42 | scoofy | eqipment can die at any moment. does it work on another machine? |
| 12:38.51 | scoofy | mt27730: no idea. |
| 12:39.09 | mt27730 | Nobody ? |
| 12:39.31 | scoofy | i don't use Gnome DE |
| 12:39.41 | mt27730 | Ok |
| 12:39.53 | no_gravity | scoofy: i have another linux machine and it does not work on that one too. |
| 12:40.03 | scoofy | mt27730 you may also ask in #gnome if no one can give you an answer here |
| 12:40.13 | mt27730 | Ok |
| 12:40.19 | scoofy | no_gravity, sounds like, potentially dead equipment? |
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| 12:40.35 | no_gravity | scoofy: yeah, maybe |
| 12:40.55 | scoofy | if it doesn't work on any other machine, sounds like you can thrash it |
| 12:41.06 | no_gravity | maybe |
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| 12:48.02 | mt27730 | scoofy on TWM DE its the same |
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| 12:51.34 | scoofy | as i said, i don't know gnome, but isn't there something related in your .config folder? |
| 12:52.07 | scoofy | for example, LXDE keeps its taskbars in .config/lxpanel |
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| 13:11.44 | guitorri | Hello. The ADMS (LGPL) package is waiting to be included into Debian. It has legal issues with included header files. See (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501264). The header files in question recently changed allowing "use and distribute", see (https://sourceforge.net/p/mot-adms/patches/4/) for a recent discussion. I am the current maintainer of ADMS, where should I go to get advice such legal issues? |
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| 13:16.12 | bitonic | I'm trying to install debian on an old netbook. I get to the install screen but when I select "Install" the thing just freezes. I'm booting from USB. how do I debug such a thing? |
| 13:16.13 | sebastianlutter | I want to rate limit access to port 80/443 per IP to avoid simple DoS attacks. I think iptables rate limit is what I want, what do you use? Can someone provide some practical values or some tutorial link? Thanks for any hint |
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| 13:17.09 | evilman_work | sebastianlutter: use the hashlimit match or the recent match. |
| 13:18.27 | evilman_work | sebastianlutter: http://tlfabian.blogspot.ru/2014/06/how-does-iptables-hashlimit-module-work.html - hashlimit info |
| 13:19.01 | evilman_work | sebastianlutter: http://pmoghadam.com/homepage/HTML/iptables-recent.html - recent |
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| 13:23.05 | sebastianlutter | evilman_work, sounds good, thanks. Need to do some reading now |
| 13:25.34 | doev | On a fresh wheezy bootstrap, entered through a chroot, is there already a default root password set? |
| 13:25.52 | ChrisH | bitonic: 32bit vs. 64bit? I had the same some days ago. |
| 13:25.55 | baegle | oh man, more encrypted LVM problems. I just started a fresh reinstall with a full repartition after I couldn't get GRUB to work at all. Now, when I try to finish writing my partition changes, the installer says there are two volumes that are going to be mounted to "/", the LVM volume designated for root and the encrypted device that LVM is managing. |
| 13:26.03 | bitonic | ChrisH: 32bit |
| 13:26.13 | bitonic | the netbook is an ideapad S10e |
| 13:26.30 | baegle | I actually can't change anything about any of the volumes except the volumes /boot and / |
| 13:26.31 | ChrisH | bitonic: so you are haveing 32bit HW and using a 32bit Image. |
| 13:26.31 | bitonic | I can boot into windows xp, so it works :P |
| 13:26.41 | bitonic | ChrisH: correct |
| 13:27.29 | ChrisH | bitonic: OK. Then someone else need to jump in. I tried to boot 64bit on 32bit HW, looks similar. |
| 13:27.57 | bitonic | `debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso' is the image I'm using |
| 13:27.59 | petn-randall | doev: No, there's no default root password set. It's probably not set at all. |
| 13:28.14 | themill | guitorri: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would be better. I don't actually see this change in licensing anywhere in the source tree so you'll have to be more explicit. |
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| 13:31.18 | doev | petn-randall, right, can see it in /etc/shadow, if I am correct. |
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| 14:01.43 | Mike__ | Hi. Somebody knows that, how can I enable the freshest (but outdated) flash player on debian 7 globally in firefox? My problem is that, now i must allow for every site separately to use flash player, and I cannot set the always activate option. |
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| 14:13.38 | Iridos | Mike__, are you referring to the message that that flash version is insecure and needs your permission to run? |
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| 14:13.58 | Mike__ | Iridos: Yes. |
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| 14:15.33 | Mike__ | Iridos: https://blocklist.addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/blocked/p796 As I read there will not be new versions of flash, so I must do something about this |
| 14:15.35 | Iridos | Mike__, that one disappeared when I updated flash to the newest version |
| 14:16.16 | Iridos | which package do you use for flash? |
| 14:17.29 | Iridos | it's slightly confusing, because, I think non-free has adobe flash, debian-multimedia has another one and there's also this pepper flash |
| 14:17.55 | Mike__ | non-free |
| 14:18.19 | Mike__ | I tried to update, but it says that I have the newest version |
| 14:18.36 | Iridos | dpkg, update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:18.37 | dpkg | Iridos: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:18.44 | Iridos | dammit, that's what the other factoid said |
| 14:18.54 | Iridos | oh, I misread |
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| 14:19.01 | Iridos | Mike__, did you do update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 14:19.19 | alipoor90 | Hi, How I can write in languages other than English in virtual console? |
| 14:19.28 | Mike__ | Iridos: Sure. |
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| 14:20.46 | Iridos | hm, that's strange... my about:plugins gives me Shockwave Flash Version: 11.2.202.429 Path: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so and I don't get any warnings from iceweasel about it being insecure |
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| 14:21.28 | jelly | maybe because that is the latest 11.2 available |
| 14:21.35 | Iridos | I hadn't questioned it much when the warnings disappeared |
| 14:21.47 | bonjurkes | did anyone used phpmailer here on debian ? I am trying to hide server ip from the mails sent over smtp by phpmailer |
| 14:22.19 | jelly | bonjurkes: you can't hide it, the remote machine will put it when it writes its Received header |
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| 14:22.34 | bonjurkes | jelly any way to use hostname or domain instead of ip? |
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| 14:23.12 | jelly | bonjurkes: nope, it will in general show the ip _and_ the hostname in that case. Can you show exactly what it is you're trying to hide? |
| 14:23.24 | Mike__ | Iridos: That's could be the problem. I have installed firefox from the linux mint repo. I have done this because I always need the newest firefox. |
| 14:23.45 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 14:23.51 | bonjurkes | jelly server ip. I am using cloudflare to hide ip, but when I send email over smtp by phpmailer by mandrill , sendgrid etc. it shows server ip inside header info |
| 14:24.16 | Iridos | then... I guess NADP |
| 14:24.27 | jelly | bonjurkes: please put the headers into a pastebin and show what you need hidden |
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| 14:25.18 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:25.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:28.16 | bonjurkes | jelly http://pastebin.com/9T30ctFs |
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| 14:28.29 | bonjurkes | Received: from [62.xxx.xx.xx] by mandrillapp.com |
| 14:28.49 | bonjurkes | I don'T want to show my ip on received from section. I can show domain name, or some other ip but not the serverip |
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| 14:29.53 | jelly | bonjurkes: there is no way for you to hide it. That header is added by mandrillapp.com's server. |
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| 14:30.08 | jelly | bonjurkes: the best thing you can do is send from a different IP |
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| 14:31.12 | bonjurkes | jelly and if I use another service, would they also show the server ip ther also |
| 14:31.18 | jelly | of course |
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| 14:31.38 | jelly | this is part of how SMTP protocol works |
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| 14:33.29 | jelly | you could use a vpn or NAT or something for smtp traffic, and expose a different server than the one running your wep app |
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| 14:33.46 | jelly | web* app |
| 14:34.34 | Mike__ | Iridos: Thanks for all! |
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| 14:47.33 | t_dot_zilla | hi, i have my iptables pretty lockeddown on my debian install. but i noticed debian is trying to make requests to 224.0.0.1 (is that multicast?) |
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| 14:47.46 | suggestor | yes t_dot_zilla |
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| 14:47.48 | t_dot_zilla | anyone know what package would be doing that? i uninstalled avahi-daemon |
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| 14:48.02 | t_dot_zilla | or should i just enable the multi-cast requests? |
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| 14:56.04 | t_dot_zilla | meh, i'll just allow multicast, i guess |
| 14:56.07 | t_dot_zilla | -A INPUT -m pkttype --pkt-type multicast -j ACCEPT -m comment --comment "allow multicast" |
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| 15:00.16 | suggestor | you could just drop it as well |
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| 15:00.49 | t_dot_zilla | yes i was dropping it |
| 15:01.01 | t_dot_zilla | i was more interesting in what software package was doing it |
| 15:01.10 | t_dot_zilla | i don't want crap like that in my syslog |
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| 15:12.34 | alphis | anyone know why .bashrc wouldn't be read/run when sshing into a debian box? |
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| 15:12.43 | alphis | just started happening and not sure why |
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| 15:14.51 | Vroomfondle | alphis: are you using ssh with '-T' ? |
| 15:14.56 | alphis | nope |
| 15:15.21 | scoofy | alphis: maybe not bash is the interpreter running. |
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| 15:25.06 | xreal | Is it enough to put "echo myserver > /etc/hostname" to be discovered in network after boot? |
| 15:26.21 | tomodachi | xreal: how do you mean discovered in a network? my interpretatin would be that you have installed avahi and started the service so that the machine annouces its presence and services to other machine on the same layer2 domain |
| 15:26.35 | ioudas | yeah.... |
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| 15:26.58 | ioudas | perhaps he means by a dhcp server... or something |
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| 15:29.28 | xai | Can somebody explain why lintian reports documentation-package-not-architecture-independent on package without any binary file? |
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| 15:35.50 | gisli | hi guys, does Debian have a bug-tracking system? (stupid question I know, jus can't find it online...) |
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| 15:36.14 | gisli | looking for info on Bug#752381 |
| 15:36.28 | petn-randall | gisli: It's the first hit on googling "debian bug tracker". |
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| 15:37.53 | gisli | petn-randall: I'm blind. Was on that page and somehow did not see the search box. Cheers! |
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| 15:39.31 | petn-randall | gisli: I agree, there are nicer webpages to use. |
| 15:39.46 | xreal | tomodachi: "ping myserver": D |
| 15:39.51 | jelly | gisli: also, you can just go to http://bugs.debian.org/752381 |
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| 15:42.23 | exie | In the index of the Jessie Beta 2 DVD images on the Debian, there are 3 DVD-sized ISOs. Do I need to burn all of these DVDs or just one? |
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| 15:43.11 | Leoneof | exie: just dvd-1, and don't waste your DVDs, you can burn to usb stick |
| 15:43.21 | xreal | tomodachi: I mean, will the hostname be transmitted to the DHCP server or do I need to do something else? |
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| 15:43.53 | petn-randall | exie: Since jessie is still a moving target, I'd only use the netinstaller and get the rest during installation via internet. You only need to burn the DVDs if you have zero internet connection on that machine. |
| 15:44.29 | Leoneof | starting at petn-randall |
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| 15:44.36 | Leoneof | staring* |
| 15:44.38 | Leoneof | o_o |
| 15:44.43 | exie | alright, makes enough sense. thanks guys |
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| 15:45.56 | petn-randall | Leoneof: hm? |
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| 15:46.44 | xreal | Anyone? |
| 15:47.38 | petn-randall | xreal: By default the dhcp client uses the contents of /etc/hostname to send via DHCP; this can be overriden in the config file, though. |
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| 15:49.31 | xreal | petn-randall: okay, thanks. |
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| 15:58.07 | gisli | I don't 100% understand the bug-report for #752381. I see that a possible patch (or not a patch) has been merged but can I see if the patch is available or it's been tested? (New to these sorts of things so bear with me). |
| 15:58.57 | Shadur | Because of a slight oddity in the firewall I need the "single-request-reopen" option in /etc/resolv.conf to keep experiencing a three-second delay in all DNS lookups. However, this particular system is managed with NetworkManager which overwrites resolv.conf whenever it's restarted or the interfaces are modified, and NM does not appear to have any provision for preserving or setting resolv.conf options that I've been able to find. Am I overlooking someth |
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| 16:03.05 | tomodachi | xreal: ping myservershostname.local would work if you install avahi |
| 16:03.21 | xreal | tomodachi: I've never ever seen avahi, what's it? |
| 16:03.25 | tomodachi | if you want your hostname to be handled by your dns server your setup will be more complicated |
| 16:03.28 | xreal | I know, avici, it's a musican. |
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| 16:04.33 | tomodachi | xreal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software) |
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| 16:05.02 | petn-randall | Shadur: If you install 'resolvconf', I think you can set those options to be added on every change. |
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| 16:10.02 | Shadur | petn-randall: And resolvconf overrides NM ? |
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| 16:10.17 | petn-randall | Shadur: No, NM will use resolvconf |
| 16:10.36 | Shadur | Ah, okay. |
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| 16:13.00 | xreal | Dann, I've set hostname, but it still shows: root@(none) :( |
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| 16:13.36 | alphis | sorry ran away for a sec. phy1729 its not reading it because my prompt says -bash-4.2 instead of name@host |
| 16:13.44 | alphis | and when i source .bashrc manually its read properly |
| 16:14.01 | petn-randall | xreal: How did you set the hostname? |
| 16:14.02 | alphis | so basically my debian box isn't sourcing .bashrc automatically for some reason |
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| 16:15.01 | xreal | petn-randall: echo "myname" > /etc/hostname |
| 16:15.29 | petn-randall | xreal: That'll only set it on reboot. man hostname |
| 16:15.54 | petn-randall | xreal: hostname -F /etc/hostname |
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| 16:19.27 | alphis | anyone know how i can get my debian box to source .bashrc when i ssh in? it suddenly decided that doing so was no longer cool. i have to manually source .bashrc now... any help appreciated |
| 16:19.53 | topi` | any iptables gurus here? how can I specify a rule that takes a RANGE of source addresses? I'd like to take everything from 192.168.1.x but leave 192.168.1.1 out |
| 16:19.57 | abrotman | It didn't 'suddenly' |
| 16:19.58 | topi` | is this possible with iptables? |
| 16:20.01 | abrotman | topi`: #netfilter |
| 16:20.08 | apathor | alphis: do you source it in your .profile or .bash_login ? |
| 16:20.08 | alphis | topi`: /24 notation |
| 16:20.09 | topi` | ok |
| 16:20.11 | abrotman | alphis: look at the top of .bashrc, what does it say? |
| 16:20.29 | topi` | alphis: but /24 also includes the first ip there, 192.168.1.1, won't it? |
| 16:20.34 | alphis | first line of .bashrc is # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells. |
| 16:20.53 | abrotman | alphis: .bashrc is explicitly for non-login shells. So it would not be sourced (nor would that be the default) for an ssh login |
| 16:20.56 | alphis | apathor: i see that .profile looks to be responsible for sourcing .bashrc if it exists but doesn't seem thats executed either |
| 16:21.06 | alphis | i see....so what do i do |
| 16:21.13 | alphis | to source it on login vi assh |
| 16:21.14 | abrotman | use .bash_profile like you're supposed to |
| 16:21.26 | alphis | i tried copying .profile to .bash_profile |
| 16:21.30 | alphis | didn't change anything |
| 16:21.39 | alphis | also these files should be setup properly by default |
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| 16:23.38 | xreal | petn-randall: ls: cannot access hostname: No such file or directory |
| 16:25.34 | petn-randall | xreal: Ugh, don't run ls then? |
| 16:25.50 | petn-randall | xreal: What is the full command you ran? |
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| 16:26.16 | xreal | petn-randall: hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 16:26.24 | xreal | ohh forget it |
| 16:26.26 | xreal | forget it |
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| 16:26.54 | petn-randall | xreal: :) |
| 16:26.59 | xreal | petn-randall: ah! the hostname is invalid. "my_name" isn't allowed ? |
| 16:27.09 | Tau | i have a laptop with a monitor plugged to it. but the monitor has a greater resolution than the laptop screen, it is bigger as well. |
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| 16:27.21 | Tau | so the laptop screen and monitor screen are different right now. |
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| 16:27.27 | petn-randall | xreal: I don't understand. What's the full content of /etc/hostname? |
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| 16:30.55 | xreal | petn-randall: "my_name" :) |
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| 16:32.05 | petn-randall | xreal: See 'man 5 hostname', you'll find your mistake there. :) |
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| 16:33.19 | xreal | "man" command not found |
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| 16:34.06 | xreal | petn-randall: No manual entry for hostname in section 5 |
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| 16:35.38 | koko_ | hello |
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| 16:36.07 | petn-randall | xreal: Oh wow, indeed. This only exists in jessie. Basically you should only have a-z in the name, no whitespace or other characters. |
| 16:36.18 | daniel__ | hi free friends =) I rescued myself here from ubuntu-land, but i am not sure how to insert e.g. https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/ these packages into my /etc/apt/sources.list ... maybe somebody is so friendly to give me a hint? |
| 16:36.34 | xreal | petn-randall: ack |
| 16:36.44 | koko_ | i wanna remove dovecot on my debian |
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| 16:37.23 | petn-randall | hi daniel__! |
| 16:37.25 | koko_ | but i have error with apt-get purge dovecot-sieve ou dpkg --force-all --purge dovecot-sieve |
| 16:37.31 | petn-randall | !tell daniel__ -about wheezy backports |
| 16:37.39 | koko_ | i can't remove this package |
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| 16:38.36 | petn-randall | koko_: Can you show us the output on http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 16:40.52 | koko_ | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/140782/ |
| 16:41.33 | daniel__ | petn-randall: shortcut didnt work - i guess i should look on the wiki, to backports-section? i tried aptitude -t wheezy-backports install android-tools-adb |
| 16:41.37 | koko_ | this package is break |
| 16:42.08 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 16:42.08 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 16:42.20 | petn-randall | koko_: Where did you get it from, which release are you running? |
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| 16:42.52 | koko_ | debian 7.4 |
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| 16:44.46 | petn-randall | koko_: Try 'apt-get install -f' before 'apt-get purge dovecot-sieve'. Using dpkg to remove packages doesn't guarantee your system is still consistent after that. |
| 16:45.10 | koko_ | already make it |
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| 16:45.15 | koko_ | nothing to do |
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| 16:45.24 | xreal | I've created my own live cd using a chroot. when installing mdadm, it gets auto-loaded when booting the live-cd. Is there a way to remove it from autostart? |
| 16:46.33 | koko_ | http://paste.debian.net/140784/ |
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| 16:47.07 | petn-randall | !tell koko_ -about bat |
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| 16:47.44 | koko_ | petn-randall: ? |
| 16:47.48 | xreal | shall I edit /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf or use dpkg-reconfigure mdadm ? |
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| 16:48.14 | petn-randall | xreal: If you want to prevent it from starting, either set the option in /etc/default/mdadm, or remove it from that runlevel. |
| 16:48.14 | daniel__ | I dont understand packages.debian.org - if I want to install https://packages.debian.org/de/wheezy-backports/android-tools-adb is it right to add 2 lines with "deb* https://packages.debian.org/de/ wheezy-backports devel" to include the whole sub-category - or do i have to find another mirror-link for this package/-group? |
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| 16:48.29 | petn-randall | koko_: Can you provide the things dpkg sent you? |
| 16:48.39 | xreal | petn-randall: how can I remove it from runlevel? okay, let me google this |
| 16:49.43 | xreal | petn-randall: update-rc.d -f mdadm remove |
| 16:49.59 | xreal | petn-randall: update-rc.d -f mdadm disable ? |
| 16:50.24 | koko_ | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/140785/ |
| 16:51.29 | petn-randall | koko_: This is not what dpkg asked for. |
| 16:51.35 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 16:51.36 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:51.41 | petn-randall | koko_: ^^^^ |
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| 16:52.10 | koko_ | petn-randall: i can't understand what u said |
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| 16:52.33 | petn-randall | koko_: you're missing all the "apt-cache ..." commands and their output. |
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| 16:52.49 | daniel__ | petn-randall: the commands like "!bat" or "!tell" dont work.. |
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| 16:53.38 | petn-randall | koko_: 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy dovecot-sieve'. |
| 16:53.48 | koko_ | okay |
| 16:53.55 | petn-randall | daniel__: They do work, what do you mean? |
| 16:54.07 | pksadiq | xb |
| 16:54.21 | koko_ | do you want ouput of that command ? |
| 16:54.23 | petn-randall | daniel__: They weren't meant for you, they're used to control the channel's bot, dpkg. |
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| 16:54.31 | petn-randall | koko_: yes |
| 16:54.43 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 16:54.44 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 16:55.43 | edju | Running stable and KDE. This macbook will go to sleep but will not resume, requiring a hard reboot. I booted into OSX and sleep/resume was flawless. Resume worked before the recently updated proprietary nvidia driver. So, uninstalled it and ran with nouveau, but still nogo. Finally, installed the proprietary from backports. No resume still. I've googled a lot and looked through files I never heard of before but couldn't find anyt |
| 16:55.44 | edju | hing helpful. If anyone has a pointer to a good rundown on this, greatly appreciated. |
| 16:56.32 | koko_ | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/140786/ |
| 16:56.49 | macrobat | !hibernate |
| 16:56.49 | dpkg | Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend system has worked well since Debian 4.0 "Etch". Installing the pm-utils or hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or <power devil> should be enough. See also <suspend troubleshooting>, <uswsusp>, <swapwake>, <noresume>. http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 16:57.14 | daniel__ | petn-randall: yes, but when you send me hints on backports, i only saw the commands for dpkg, no further hints. it seems koko_ has same problems when he is saying "i dont understand you" then he isn't able to interpret the bot-commands... but only my nooby guess of the situation |
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| 16:57.57 | koko_ | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/140787/ |
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| 16:58.53 | petn-randall | daniel__: The bot must have queried you with instructions. Check you IRC client for other windows/tabs. |
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| 17:00.53 | daniel__ | petn-randall: okay, my fault, i use irssi and not really good at it... i will find out somehow - thx =) |
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| 17:03.15 | xreal | petn-randall: which one is correct? |
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| 17:16.25 | felsenhower | Can anybody give me a hint why my setup stops with "nouveau 0000:01:00.0: PMC - unhandled INTR 0x44000000"? |
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| 17:17.01 | felsenhower | well, it actually stops while booting the live disc, to be more specific |
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| 17:17.51 | SM0TVI | So I am having a weird problem. I've downloaded and packed up a couple of mozilla tarballs in /usr/local/share/mozilla, linked the relevant binaries from /usr/local/bin. /usr/local/bin is in my PATH. Yet it can't find the executable |
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| 17:18.19 | petn-randall | SM0TVI: Do they have the executable bit set? |
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| 17:19.26 | SM0TVI | petn-randall: Yes. |
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| 17:21.22 | SM0TVI | petn-randall: The executable itself, all directories leading to it as well *scratches head* |
| 17:22.05 | relaxed | SM0TVI: did you try the absolute path? |
| 17:22.20 | SM0TVI | relaxed: Yep "No such file or directory." |
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| 17:22.39 | relaxed | ls -l /usr/local/bin/binary |
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| 17:26.11 | SM0TVI | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 40 Jan 15 18:08 /usr/local/bin/firefox -> /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox |
| 17:26.12 | Iridos | SM0TVI, ls -l /usr/local/bin/binary and also ls -lL /usr/local/bin/binary |
| 17:26.13 | SM0TVI | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 146712 Sep 12 02:27 /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox |
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| 17:27.08 | Iridos | it may actually execute that and not find something inside |
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| 17:28.34 | relaxed | /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox is most likely a wrapper script pointing to another binary |
| 17:28.40 | Iridos | yes |
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| 17:29.02 | Iridos | and it might even start with #!/usr/local/mozilla/whatever/bin/bash |
| 17:29.16 | xreal | petn-randall: Are you still here? |
| 17:29.36 | SM0TVI | NOPE. |
| 17:29.40 | SM0TVI | ELF executable. |
| 17:29.42 | relaxed | no, it's a binary here |
| 17:30.04 | Iridos | hm, but that seems wrong |
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| 17:30.47 | Iridos | anything installed like that should be run via a wrapper that adds some runtime libraries by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 17:31.32 | relaxed | SM0TVI: try, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox |
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| 17:32.17 | Iridos | well, iceweasel is also ELF... but that's been compiled to that place |
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| 17:35.05 | SM0TVI | Still no cigar :( |
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| 17:35.53 | jhutchins | SM0TVI: Is there a reason you're not just using iceweasel? |
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| 17:36.31 | SM0TVI | jhutchins: Yes. Iceweasel lags behind. |
| 17:37.17 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 17:37.20 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.3.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.4.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.4.0esr-1; experimental: 35.0-1 |
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| 17:39.38 | jhutchins | mdn has 35, which seems to be current. |
| 17:39.59 | xreal | petn-randall: which one is correct? |
| 17:40.03 | Iridos | 32 seems to be current, 35 some development version? |
| 17:40.31 | relaxed | firefox 35 was released |
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| 17:41.07 | Iridos | looks like |
| 17:41.29 | Teligard_x | Any words of wisdom on how to refine/optimize network performance? |
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| 17:42.15 | petn-randall | xreal: I'd only look it up in the man page, so ... |
| 17:42.47 | xreal | petn-randall: could you do it for me please? |
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| 17:43.11 | SM0TVI | The strange thing is that I've used this method on 2 other machines with no issues... The only difference is that I used the Win32 installer on this one. Looks like I have to OS the lappie again (ARGH). |
| 17:43.33 | petn-randall | xreal: Install man and look it up, I'm not a bot. |
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| 17:44.03 | jhutchins | Right, the Mozilla packaging is crap, as usual, so reinstall the whole OS. |
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| 17:44.22 | Zzeiss | Network (WiFi) problem with Macbook Pro 8.1 running Debian Stable: after resume-from-suspend or loss of wireless signal, the WiFi stays in state "connecting", never fully connects. Doing a rmmod on the drivers, then modprobing them back and the Wifi connects again. Suggestions? |
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| 17:44.30 | SM0TVI | jhutchins: Then why did it work on the other two boxes, hmm???? |
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| 17:44.43 | SM0TVI | jhutchins: Debian Wheezy on them too. No issues whatsoever. |
| 17:44.44 | jhutchins | Zzeiss: Known issue with the current kernel. |
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| 17:45.13 | Zzeiss | jhutchins: Oh. OK. Thanks. |
| 17:45.29 | Zzeiss | jhutchins: Want a workaround script? |
| 17:45.42 | SM0TVI | Wait... The kernel it wants to update says amd64, but I know it's an Atom N450 in it o.O |
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| 17:48.21 | jhutchins | Zzeiss: I don't have the issue myself, but if you post it to a blog there are other people who are having it. |
| 17:48.42 | Zzeiss | jhutchins: OK, which blog? (I'm not a member of most blogs) |
| 17:49.21 | Iridos | SM0TVI, I guess you also tear down the house and rebuild it if the tap in the bathroom is leaking |
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| 17:49.53 | SM0TVI | Iridos: I figured out the problem. I'm using an AMD64 kernel in an intel atom box |
| 17:50.00 | jhutchins | bleb: Yes, but you can connect manually with iwconfig, ifconfig, and wpasupplicant |
| 17:50.09 | Iridos | SM0TVI, that is the correct kernel |
| 17:50.36 | jhutchins | !mdn |
| 17:50.38 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 17:50.38 | SM0TVI | Iridos: Then why can't it find the file which is freaking in the right location, hmm? |
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| 17:51.48 | Iridos | SM0TVI, figure it out? |
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| 17:52.47 | Zzeiss | jhutchins: Seriously, if someone could use it, let me know which blog and I'll post. Or I can send it to you- it's about eight lines total. |
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| 17:54.50 | Iridos | dpkg, tell SM0TVI about amd64 |
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| 17:56.49 | SM0TVI | Iridos: So what support libraries do I need? |
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| 17:58.34 | Iridos | SM0TVI, what happens when you call /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox |
| 17:59.16 | SM0TVI | /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox: No such file or directory. |
| 18:00.17 | Iridos | and file /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox says what? |
| 18:00.56 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I get this error: https://support.servertastic.com/the-site-is-using-outdated-security-settings-that-may-prevent-future-versions-of-chrome-from-being-able-to-safely-access-it/ |
| 18:01.01 | dimitry7 | and I am using SHA-2 |
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| 18:01.08 | dimitry7 | why does it happen? Thanks!! |
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| 18:02.43 | SM0TVI | Iridos: Hang on... In the middle of a reboot. |
| 18:04.54 | SM0TVI | Iridos: /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x5ff169315ebc67774feaebd39baeea3fa55795b8, strippe |
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| 18:06.26 | Iridos | SM0TVI, if this is a 64-bit debian, why do you have a 32-bit firefox? debian has multiarch... you can check for missing (32-bit) libraries with ldd /usr/local/share/mozilla/firefox/firefox |
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| 18:07.04 | Iridos | and I think you should just use iceweasel... |
| 18:07.13 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Somewhere in the trust chain there's a deprecated hasing algorithm used. It can be between the intermediate CA and the CA. |
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| 18:07.22 | petn-randall | dimitry7: *hashing |
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| 18:08.34 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, really? my CA is GoDaddy, how can I do to see which hashing algorithm is it? |
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| 18:09.32 | petn-randall | dimitry7: I think the browser can show you the complete trust chain, go through that. |
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| 18:12.04 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, certificate signature algotithm in browser says SHA1, but SSL Labs Qualys says SHA2 |
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| 18:19.38 | Logos01 | Howdy, folks. Kind of an obscure question. Was wondering if anyone here has experience working w/ Spacewalk with debian systems? Specifically, importing debian security advisories as errata. |
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| 18:20.20 | Logos01 | Here's a semi-analogous example using Ubuntu servers; unfortunately I don't think the scripts involved are portable to Debian due to the differences between USN and DSA lists: http://www.devops-blog.net/spacewalk/configuring-errata-for-ubuntu-with-spacewalk |
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| 18:24.16 | SM0TVI | Update: I read up on ia-32 vs. amd64, and, since I lack a couple of drivers for amd64, I'll try to install 32-bit. |
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| 18:24.47 | SM0TVI | Not a big deal since it was a fresh install. |
| 18:25.20 | SM0TVI | Also, it gives me the opportunity to install the desktop mgr I want. |
| 18:26.17 | jhutchins | SM0TVI: Also gives you the opportunity to use the iceweasel package from mozilla.debian.net instead of the un-packaged firefox. |
| 18:27.13 | SM0TVI | jhutchins: Because of some of the things I do, I'll go with the unpackaged firefox. Not that it is that much of a deal to install manuall. |
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| 18:29.33 | pingfloyd | Firefox is so easy to install |
| 18:29.57 | pingfloyd | You just extract it |
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| 18:31.28 | SM0TVI | pingfloyd: Yep. cd to /usr/local/share/mozilla (in my case), tar -xvf <tarball>. Done. |
| 18:31.43 | SM0TVI | pingfloyd: Sprinke symlinks in /usr/local/bin |
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| 18:32.14 | pingfloyd | I extract it to /opt |
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| 18:33.44 | pingfloyd | Yep symlink if you want in PATH which is the most laborious step in the process :) |
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| 18:35.17 | SM0TVI | pingfloyd: /usr/local/bin is usually in PATH from the get-go, which is why I use it :3 |
| 18:35.38 | SM0TVI | Also, it is the UN*X traditional dir to stuff local things in. |
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| 18:36.16 | flux242 | it's desktop environment and window manager, not desktop manager, right? |
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| 18:37.04 | centrx | yes |
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| 18:37.11 | centrx | you might be thinking of "display manager", that's another thing |
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| 18:37.52 | flux242 | it's just someone above said desktop manager |
| 18:38.42 | pingfloyd | The fhs would say /opt because all its files are in one directory |
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| 18:40.24 | pingfloyd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.01 | flux242 | i've switched to i3 recently but i have installed it on top of xfce and am using xfce's services like xfsettingsd |
| 18:43.01 | flux242 | if we are talking about window managers |
| 18:43.28 | SM0TVI | flux242: Yeah, my bad. Anyways, I'm a XFCE guy, not gnomish. |
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| 18:45.31 | Logos01 | Nobody's a Spacewalk guy here? |
| 18:45.33 | Logos01 | Ahh, well. |
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| 18:48.15 | critr | ~/bin/firefox/ works ok |
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| 18:49.18 | acz32 | do you guys recommend network manager or wicd? |
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| 18:50.22 | rtur | acz32 I used wicd for quite some time, but then had Problems with it (Forgot what those were though :) ). |
| 18:50.55 | rtur | acz32: It worked for about two years without problems, you might as well try it. |
| 18:50.57 | acz32 | i'm currently using wicd |
| 18:51.03 | acz32 | lol |
| 18:51.08 | acz32 | was wondering if i should try network manager again |
| 18:51.47 | rtur | acz32 Is it a gui program ? |
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| 18:52.40 | acz32 | rtur: yes |
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| 18:54.21 | rtur | acz32: Stick with wicd then ;) . Or if it's available in debian, you could try netctl. |
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| 18:55.46 | critr | no netctl in the wheezy repos |
| 18:56.10 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, it is my browser |
| 18:56.18 | dimitry7 | all other machines don't show that thing |
| 18:57.23 | teraflops | rtur: netctl wtf? |
| 18:57.36 | rtur | teraflops: It's native to arch |
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| 18:58.01 | teraflops | rtur: it's basically crap |
| 18:58.08 | rtur | teraflops: I like it :P |
| 18:58.16 | acz32 | network manage 2.0 was just released. it's supposed to be a very big improvement |
| 18:58.26 | teraflops | also i don ¡t think it exists on debian |
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| 18:58.44 | rtur | hence "if it's available" ;) |
| 18:59.05 | teraflops | acz32: it has nmtui that is a nice full featured ncurses gui for the ones who use tilling |
| 18:59.09 | critr | there's ifupdown for cli simplicity |
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| 19:00.09 | teraflops | http://a.pomf.se/jbngjj.png |
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| 19:00.34 | acz32 | i guess most important of all i need to fix my laptop's internal wifi adapter if possible. my wlan0 interface disappeared and can't get it working |
| 19:01.46 | rtur | acz32 dmesg (or the hardware wifi switch :) ) |
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| 19:02.43 | critr | maybe a firmware issue? |
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| 19:05.19 | acz32 | rtur: i flipped the hardware switch but it's not helping. rfkill says it's not blocked. i will need to read dmesg |
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| 19:06.02 | acz32 | if the issue persists in windows in addition to linux does that mean it's just a broken adapter? |
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| 19:06.44 | Shadur | That does make it more likely to be a hardware issue, yes. |
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| 19:06.55 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 19:07.16 | Agiofws | is there anyway i can trouble shoot suspend mode in gnome debian? |
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| 19:07.58 | Agiofws | all of the sudden my host won't bring me back to my gnome session the screen remains black... |
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| 19:08.02 | rtur | acz32 but dmesg output should be your first step, and maybe disabling wicd-daemon, maybe it shuts the adapter down for no reason. |
| 19:08.11 | zifxify | Can somebody point me how to check an initrd, I want to check if the cryptroot file exist in the initrd $ zcat /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 | cpio -i --to-stdout conf/conf.d/cryptroot output gives me only 95089 blocks I do not want to reboot and fail :) |
| 19:08.22 | Agiofws | i can't even enter a terminal ct;+alt+f1-7 |
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| 19:08.58 | tremon | zifxify: if you only need to see the file listing, use lsinitramfs |
| 19:09.18 | zifxify | @tremon ok thnx will try now |
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| 19:10.37 | acz32 | rtur: thanks. the issue actually started after i clicked "switch off wifi" button in wicd. now it seems like it has rfkill enabled by default and i have to click that button to turn wlan1 on every time i reboot the computer, but doesn't help wlan0 |
| 19:10.42 | rtur | Agiofws: maybe acpi ? Check your logs. |
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| 19:11.01 | acz32 | it's strange because i have to click the button that says "turn wifi off" in order to turn it on. |
| 19:11.13 | rtur | acz32: Wicd has buttons now ? |
| 19:11.14 | tremon | Agiofws: have you seen http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/linux-suspendresume-regression-in-debian-78.html ? |
| 19:11.21 | centrx | rtur, wicd-gt |
| 19:11.23 | centrx | k |
| 19:11.28 | rtur | I see |
| 19:11.29 | acz32 | truexfan81: wicd-gtk i think |
| 19:11.30 | acz32 | ya |
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| 19:12.40 | acz32 | but if it was just wicd that messed something up i'm pretty sure it would work in windows, but it doesn't. i will check dmesg anyways |
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| 19:14.04 | rtur | acz32: I actually had once an issue with windows and wifi while it worked on linux.. then it stopped working on linux and worked sporadically on windows.. then it didn't where anywhere and I had to get a new one :) |
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| 19:14.28 | rtur | s/where/anywhere |
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| 19:14.54 | rtur | I mean s/where/work |
| 19:15.09 | acz32 | i am currently using an external usb adapter for internet. it's just annoying to have a cable but it works |
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| 19:16.11 | flyingspork | Hey, I've been having a problem with suspend where my computer simply reboots instead of a normal wakeup from suspend. I already did the acpi_sleep=nonvs thing in grub. I have an asus u46e. Any ideas? |
| 19:16.20 | critr | acz32: if it doesn't work in windows also, it's 99% likely broken hardware, UNLESS wicd flipped some kind of hardware switch on your device |
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| 19:18.39 | rtur | critr: When software gets access to hardware switches debugging will get a whole lot more frustrating. |
| 19:19.12 | acz32 | critr: this laptop is annoying. webcam broken and now wifi adapter. too bad because it's good otherwise. i5 w/ good RAM |
| 19:19.19 | critr | rtur, by hardware switch i mean firmware that exists on the device itself, rather than as a module |
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| 19:20.04 | acz32 | oh and sound has a lot of static during first 2-3 seconds you play something before playing normally |
| 19:20.09 | rtur | critr: Do wifi adapters have persistent settings ? |
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| 19:20.26 | rtur | acz32: Yeah, sounds like a great laptop :) |
| 19:20.27 | critr | rtur, beats me :) |
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| 19:20.49 | rtur | critr: Maybe you can trade it with someone :D |
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| 19:21.38 | rtur | critr, azr32: <Swap the recipient of that message> |
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| 19:21.47 | acz32 | for what? a bag of chips |
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| 19:22.00 | rtur | acz32: At least the sound will work |
| 19:22.00 | acz32 | no internet, camera, weird sound |
| 19:22.01 | BadCodSmell | Can I make a package that overrides a file in another package? |
| 19:22.04 | acz32 | lol |
| 19:22.10 | BadCodSmell | For debs |
| 19:22.12 | rtur | BadCodSmell no |
| 19:22.29 | rtur | BadCodSmell: you could put it into the preinst script though |
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| 19:22.40 | rtur | BadCodSmell: I guess, never tried. |
| 19:22.54 | BadCodSmell | rtur: I could modify apt then to force override only, thanks I will do that. |
| 19:24.02 | rtur | BadCodSmell: Modifieng apt won't help, it's dpkg who will complain about it. |
| 19:24.18 | BadCodSmell | I can make apt call dpkg with --force-override |
| 19:24.24 | BadCodSmell | All the time |
| 19:24.40 | rtur | BadCodSmell: Why would you need to overwrite it ? |
| 19:25.14 | BadCodSmell | Because it's a simple way to overlay/override some basic default configuration scripts |
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| 19:25.28 | rtur | Like ? |
| 19:25.44 | BadCodSmell | Well anything that could be in etc. |
| 19:26.04 | BadCodSmell | Can I make a deb package invoke force-override its self? |
| 19:26.10 | BadCodSmell | IE bottom up rather than top down |
| 19:26.52 | rtur | I doubt it. |
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| 19:27.40 | rtur | Stuff like https://github.com/RichiH/vcsh is more suited for configuration management. |
| 19:28.33 | BadCodSmell | So is rcs |
| 19:28.52 | RichiH | hmm? |
| 19:29.10 | RichiH | BadCodSmell: vcsh is a lot better than rcs ;) |
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| 19:29.35 | BadCodSmell | it's rcs + rsync |
| 19:29.43 | BadCodSmell | Anyway we don't touch anything git |
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| 19:32.23 | rtur | you don't touch git, but you mess around with package integrity ? What if you are updating and the package will try to overwrite the data your package has ? It's just asking for trouble. |
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| 19:33.15 | BadCodSmell | Realistically, that's not going to happen. |
| 19:33.42 | BadCodSmell | And if it does we have a problem eitherway. |
| 19:34.06 | rtur | BadCodSmell: Since you said we, I though the package is for a larger network of computers which all should have the same config right ? |
| 19:34.09 | BadCodSmell | Well actually the assumption is that I can set my packages as having precedence. |
| 19:34.18 | BadCodSmell | Thought you were referring to moves for a moment there. |
| 19:34.58 | BadCodSmell | rtur basically and having a .deb at this stage to bootstrap configs is useful. |
| 19:35.07 | RichiH | it seems as if what BadCodSmell wants to achieve is very much a solved problem |
| 19:35.18 | RichiH | chef, puppet, saltstack, vcsh, mr, you name it |
| 19:35.25 | RichiH | even ldap if done right |
| 19:35.27 | BadCodSmell | RichiH: not really, there are probably at least 50 "solutions" out there |
| 19:35.27 | RichiH | bbl |
| 19:35.40 | BadCodSmell | puppet is too slow. |
| 19:35.47 | RichiH | and they all work better than what you are proposing ;) |
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| 19:36.04 | BadCodSmell | They are all phenomally bloated. |
| 19:37.03 | rtur | We too have a deb package for configuration, but all Software we need to configure from /etc has config.d/ archives. |
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| 19:37.49 | flyingspork | #flood |
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| 19:48.49 | flyingspork | I'm having a problem where my asus u46e doesn't resume after suspending. The suspend seems to work correctly, but when I press a button to resume, the computer does a full reboot. I already created the file in /etc/pm/sleep.d that people recommended, and I modified the Grub default line with acpi_sleep=nonvs. Any help is appreciated! |
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| 19:49.52 | Iridos | BadCodSmell, you can just edit (copy over) configuration scripts in /etc and the packaging system will not touch them without asking you on upgrades |
| 19:50.13 | BadCodSmell | Iridos: But I cannot overwrite them with another deb |
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| 19:50.27 | rtur | From inside a preinst script you could |
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| 19:51.02 | Iridos | BadCodSmell, overwriting them with another package doesn't make any sense |
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| 19:52.33 | Iridos | flyingspork, do you hibernate by calling pm-hibernate? |
| 19:53.16 | Iridos | flyingspork, (and I find it least confusing if one calles suspend-to-ram suspend and suspend-to-disk hibernate) |
| 19:53.20 | BadCodSmell | I lose some things with a preinst script though |
| 19:53.52 | Iridos | BadCodSmell, what would be the point overwriting them from another package? |
| 19:53.58 | flyingspork | Iridos: I've tried using pm-hibernate, pm-suspend, s2disk, s2both, and s2ram. All of them behave similarly, sending me through grub on resume/thaw, but not loading any previous windows. |
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| 19:54.44 | Iridos | I fear this may be heavily outdated... but here goes |
| 19:54.47 | Iridos | dpkg, suspend troubleshooting |
| 19:54.48 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-RAM and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Suspend_to_RAM and http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Suspend_to_disk . The tools it references are available in the Debian <uswsusp> package. See also http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt |
| 19:54.52 | BadCodSmell | Iridos: Since debs ship default confs... might be nice to have some way to override them in the same system. |
| 19:55.16 | BadCodSmell | And I don't think it's unsound, just looks like they never thought of that when creating debs |
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| 19:56.39 | Iridos | I think it is... the whole thing is set up such that packages check if config files are unchanged and leave them the fuck alone if a human edited them |
| 19:56.51 | rtur | Almost packages you need to configure from inside etc have a way to souce config files from the respective ____.d dir. Could you name one where it isn't the case ? |
| 19:57.38 | BadCodSmell | rtur it doesn't work like that. |
| 19:57.44 | rtur | Why ? |
| 19:57.51 | BadCodSmell | Sure you can extend a config |
| 19:58.02 | BadCodSmell | For example add a vhost to apache |
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| 19:58.17 | BadCodSmell | But then what if in the base config they have it listening on port 80 and I want port 1080? |
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| 19:58.35 | BadCodSmell | Your suggestion is that there's never a need to edit a base config. |
| 19:59.05 | BadCodSmell | And you could just ls /etc to see that plenty of things don't have .d |
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| 19:59.21 | rtur | I don't know much about how apache handles configs, but since the base is sourced first all the settings there will be overwritten by later settings. |
| 19:59.47 | BadCodSmell | Configs are often different for every program |
| 20:00.05 | BadCodSmell | Many wont let you remove something in a later config, many wont have any kind of include mechanism at all, etc |
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| 20:00.25 | BadCodSmell | In fact it's one of the problems with linux, common one, you're dealing with about 50 subtly different config formats. |
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| 20:01.34 | rtur | BadCodSmell There probably are cases where it could be usefull to overwrite config files from a deb package. Luckily I haven't encountered them yet :) . What would you loose if overwriting settings from inside a pre/post inst script ? |
| 20:02.21 | BadCodSmell | A sense of grace :P, well some of the file management mechanisms. |
| 20:02.33 | BadCodSmell | It would really mean I am just hijacking deb as a transport mechanism |
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| 20:02.55 | BadCodSmell | Which isn't too bad but doesn't too well in my stomach. |
| 20:02.58 | rtur | You aren't really using the debs the way they where intended if you overwrite stuff with it either ;) |
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| 20:05.04 | BadCodSmell | I think for now I will just postfix the custom confs with something. |
| 20:05.20 | BadCodSmell | and a postinstall would swap the originals for symlinks |
| 20:06.07 | rtur | It would if you choose to, but you could as easily overwrite them. |
| 20:06.08 | incal` | I'm trying to install Debian from a USB, so I put debian-live-7.8.0-amd64-standard.iso on the stick, and changed the boot priority order to favor it, but cannot but and the BIOS SW doesn't show the files when I browse the stick from there - it is a W95 FAT32 fs |
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| 20:06.37 | rtur | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.46 | incal` | no shit :) |
| 20:07.11 | BadCodSmell | Actually I had it working kind of like that once with some efi nonsense. |
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| 20:07.34 | BadCodSmell | Probably the iso since 6 though likes efi, etc by default/does not need weird hacks |
| 20:07.49 | BadCodSmell | So you can just dd |
| 20:08.35 | incal` | BadCodSmell: how do I connect the one computer to the other? Or do you mean to the USB? |
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| 20:10.02 | rtur | incal` : dd if=your.iso of=/dev/yourusb , then it should boot. (be carefull, it won't ask you whether you are sure overwriting your drive ;) ) |
| 20:10.39 | incal` | rtur: cool, thx |
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| 20:16.06 | marioxcc | Hi. I'm getting this error with apt-get: http://paste.debian.net/140814/ |
| 20:16.22 | marioxcc | I didn't do anything strange or non-standard with packages. |
| 20:16.31 | marioxcc | What should I do to fix this? |
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| 20:16.47 | marioxcc | synaptic and aptitude refuses to work as well, failing with a similar error message. |
| 20:17.04 | rtur | can you run apt-get clean ? |
| 20:18.15 | BadCodSmell | cat the file as well |
| 20:18.20 | marioxcc | rtur: Strangely it seems to have solved by doing apt-get update again. |
| 20:18.34 | marioxcc | Which I had already tried, and gave a similar error. |
| 20:18.39 | marioxcc | Should I do apt-get clean anyway?. |
| 20:18.47 | marioxcc | What was what this error said? |
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| 20:19.06 | BadCodSmell | Really you should have cat the file to check for any possible obvious fs corruption |
| 20:19.11 | BadCodSmell | IE, find the cause |
| 20:19.30 | BadCodSmell | I would consider a chkfs just incase |
| 20:19.35 | rtur | Wouldn't a fs corruptin be reported by the kernel ? |
| 20:20.02 | BadCodSmell | Not necessarily |
| 20:20.04 | Iridos | sheesh, I have a windows virtualbox and the disk image is actually growing so much that there was no space left on the device... any way to save space on those? |
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| 20:20.41 | BadCodSmell | I'm not sure if they support it but you should try enabling trim on the guest anyway for at least when they do |
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| 20:21.16 | rtur | Iridos: You mean debian inside a Win VirtBox ? |
| 20:21.24 | rtur | or the other way around |
| 20:21.34 | Iridos | rtur, other way around... windows-in-a-box |
| 20:21.39 | Iridos | only way to bear windows at all |
| 20:22.15 | rtur | Windows uses a swap file doesn't it ? Maybe you could disable it. |
| 20:22.24 | Iridos | hm, guess it's the 2X10G Snapshots that do it |
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| 20:22.51 | Iridos | rtur, maybe do what all windows users do... reinstall :-/ |
| 20:23.06 | BadCodSmell | Or copy the vdi to defrag? |
| 20:23.08 | Iridos | or maybe I should get an extra disk for that stuff |
| 20:23.26 | BadCodSmell | You can mount the vdis with qemu |
| 20:23.30 | Iridos | hmm |
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| 20:23.47 | rtur | Can't you clean the image ? Like in qemu, so the free space is recognized as free by the host. |
| 20:23.50 | BadCodSmell | Not sure if I would be comfortable copying ntfs over, etc though with all its weirdness |
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| 20:24.51 | Iridos | the dialog inside windows is funny, though... I can save 30MB out of 30GB by using the windows-disk-cleanup thingy |
| 20:24.53 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 20:24.57 | marioxcc | BadCodSmell: the file contains package descriptions |
| 20:25.09 | marioxcc | there doesn't seems to be anything wrong with it (it's in plain text) |
| 20:25.27 | BadCodSmell | update might have restored it |
| 20:25.36 | BadCodSmell | A shame really :P |
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| 20:26.55 | BadCodSmell | My /var/lib/apt got log writes from messages to it all over like a shotgun recently. |
| 20:26.55 | BadCodSmell | Plus some mystery binary stuff |
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| 20:27.03 | marioxcc | BadCodSmell: May this have been generated because of the new point release? |
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| 20:28.24 | Iridos | marioxcc, yes... apt-get update fix those files ... you just got garbled versions from the from the mirror once (possibly because the mirror was updating) |
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| 20:29.26 | rtur | Iridos they should have checksums though |
| 20:29.41 | rtur | Iridos: If it where the case apt would refuse to download them |
| 20:30.13 | marioxcc | Iridos: Ok, thanks. |
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| 20:31.20 | Iridos | rtur, you mean from the webserver-side (if it's via http9 |
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| 20:32.15 | rtur | Iridos: No, the mirror. As far as I can remember the Release files have checksums and are signed by a gpg key. apt wouldn't download corrupted files. |
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| 20:34.00 | Iridos | I am not sure what bits are gpg-signed and which are not |
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| 20:35.33 | rtur | All is signed. Debs have checksums, the Release files has checksums on the names of the Package control Files (the gz files) and the Release file is gpg signed |
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| 20:36.22 | dondelelcaro | we also sign the source packages directly |
| 20:36.33 | incal` | rtur: is there anything else to it? dd didn't complain, but now it isn't even detected as a boot option, the USB isn't detected at all |
| 20:36.44 | Iridos | I don't see any signatures here http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64/ |
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| 20:37.10 | Iridos | rtur, still, corruption can happen on any later stage |
| 20:37.13 | rtur | incal Give me the whole dd command you used |
| 20:37.26 | mtn | incal`: can you get to a bios boot menu when you boot? on my machine it is F12 |
| 20:37.41 | rtur | Iridos: http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/ |
| 20:38.08 | incal` | min: yes, that is where the USB isn't visible |
| 20:38.20 | incal` | rtur: sudo dd if=debian-live-7.8.0-amd64-standard.iso of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 20:38.29 | rtur | it's wrong |
| 20:38.32 | rtur | it should be sdb |
| 20:38.32 | Iridos | ah |
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| 20:40.01 | gumonshoe | Hello. When I perform an apt-get upgrade, is there ever a case where a networking restart would occur automatically (say, as part of a post install script) due to the upgrade of a package from an official Debian repository? |
| 20:40.15 | incal` | rtur: OK, empty as in I should clear it or I shouldn't care if the files are lost? |
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| 20:40.27 | rtur | incal` the later |
| 20:40.39 | incal` | rtur: cool, thx, will try again |
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| 20:42.37 | alphis | anyone know why my .bashrc isn't being sourced |
| 20:42.39 | rtur | gumonshoe: If you reinstall the networking service itself it might do that :) |
| 20:43.03 | alphis | i have to source .bashrc manually... its really annoying |
| 20:43.05 | jhutchins | alphis: Are you actually running bash? |
| 20:43.11 | alphis | yup |
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| 20:43.50 | alphis | running /bin/bash version 4.2 prompt even says 4.2. but i have to source .bashrc manually. |
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| 20:45.10 | alphis | i have a .bashrc and a .bash_profile which sources said .bashrc if found |
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| 20:45.17 | rtur | alphis: Sure your ~/.bashrc is readable and has the propper syntax ? |
| 20:45.38 | rtur | oh, yes the syntax is probably right since oyu can source it manually |
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| 20:47.32 | kdog | alphis: do you have a .profile? That gets run at login and mine sources .bashrc |
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| 20:48.02 | warsoul | debhelper |
| 20:48.40 | alphis | i have a .profile and a .bash_profile |
| 20:48.47 | alphis | they're the same and both source .bashrc if it exists |
| 20:48.54 | alphis | apparently .bash_profile isn't being run when i ssh in |
| 20:48.57 | alphis | not sure why |
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| 20:51.38 | jhutchins | alphis: Look at the first line of the default .bashrc |
| 20:53.03 | jhutchins | alphis: # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells. |
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| 20:53.23 | alphis | uh huh |
| 20:53.25 | alphis | and |
| 20:53.39 | alphis | this is circular logic if your going to tell me i need a .bash_profile |
| 20:53.41 | jhutchins | non-login |
| 20:53.43 | alphis | because i've already said i have one |
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| 20:54.08 | alphis | my .bash_profile sources .bashrc therefore .bashrc is loaded if .bash_profile is |
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| 20:56.01 | nutron | which package do I need to enable java in my chromium browser? Right now it simply states that the plugin is not supported. |
| 20:56.12 | undata | anyone know why resolvconf would seem to ignore interface-order? |
| 20:56.29 | undata | I've got eth* above tun* yet the dns from the vpn is being ranked above in resolv.conf |
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| 20:57.48 | kdog | doesn't have a .bash_profile |
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| 20:58.28 | undata | man this sucks... interface-order is totally ignored by resolvconf -u |
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| 21:00.42 | alphis | kdog: what files with .bash in their names do u have btw |
| 21:01.08 | BadCodSmell | .bash_head_on_desk |
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| 21:01.51 | incal` | rtur: it doesn't boot and the USB still doesn't show up anymore in the BIOS, may be it doesn't recognize the system? here is what fdisk -l says: /dev/sdb1 * 64 944127 944064 461M 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS |
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| 21:02.37 | BadCodSmell | partition type? |
| 21:02.48 | rtur | why would you check sdb1 ? This is your harddrive, not your stick. |
| 21:02.59 | rtur | Oh, missread for sda1 |
| 21:03.10 | teraflops | undata: then do not push the dns on the vpn server |
| 21:03.23 | BadCodSmell | incal` I have solved it |
| 21:03.34 | BadCodSmell | 17 >>> Hidden <<< HPFS/NTFS |
| 21:03.40 | BadCodSmell | This is why your bios does not see it |
| 21:03.59 | incal` | BadCodSmell: ha |
| 21:04.03 | incal` | BadCodSmell: let's make it visible! |
| 21:04.21 | rtur | But why would it be hidden and NTFS of all things ? |
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| 21:05.02 | incal` | rtur: no idea |
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| 21:05.26 | BadCodSmell | bioses usb and partition tables are notoriouly problematic |
| 21:05.47 | BadCodSmell | See if it's an msdos partition or gpt, etc |
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| 21:05.58 | rtur | Do you maybe have an older laptop/computer ? Some of them do not allow to boot from usb. |
| 21:06.51 | undata | teraflops: I don't even grok the response |
| 21:06.55 | undata | the server's dns is also needed |
| 21:07.09 | undata | its however slow and for everyday (non-VPN) stuff there's no need to hit that first |
| 21:07.17 | BadCodSmell | make it unneeded |
| 21:07.20 | teraflops | undata: then push the correct dns nameservers on the server |
| 21:07.22 | BadCodSmell | use the unneed flag |
| 21:07.24 | kdog | alphis: .bash_history .bash_logout .bashrc |
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| 21:08.22 | undata | teraflops: look man, you're doing that thing where you assume I haven't thought through the other parts of my problem... |
| 21:08.33 | undata | the appropriate dns on the client side depends on the network they're attached to |
| 21:08.38 | undata | what I want is for resolvconf to work |
| 21:09.09 | incal` | df -T says /dev/sdb1 iso9660 472032 472032 0 100% /mnt |
| 21:09.15 | undata | I in fact have made it work by now, just by removing the tun* glob from interface-order, which is making it end up at the end |
| 21:09.22 | undata | why tun0 wasn't matching tun* I'll never know |
| 21:09.38 | critr | hm, installation of the 3.16 kernel seems to have failed horribly here. http://dpaste.com/2FS1EDD |
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| 21:10.05 | incal` | rtur: the computer is brand new, even has USB 3.0 (perhaps old news to you, first time I heard of anyway) |
| 21:10.17 | bsdbeard | uhh |
| 21:10.29 | teraflops | Looks like teraflops is bailing out on this one - good luck! |
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| 21:10.50 | bsdbeard | Can I put /boot inside a LVM block if I'm using grub 1.99? |
| 21:11.02 | rtur | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.17 | rtur | bsdbeard: It didn't work for me.. |
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| 21:11.24 | bsdbeard | hmm |
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| 21:11.43 | bsdbeard | rtur, is there a safe way to upgrade grub to 2.02 on wheezy? |
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| 21:12.28 | rtur | bsdbeard: (It also didn't work with grub2 for me..) Why can't you just upgrade ? |
| 21:12.38 | bsdbeard | upgrade to what? |
| 21:12.42 | incal` | rtur: the USB did show up when there wasn't anything on it and it was W95 FAT32, so if I could get that or something other that would "show up", but with the current correct dd contents, that's worth a shot |
| 21:13.31 | incal` | or perhaps try with another stick? |
| 21:13.40 | rtur | bsdbeard: To grub2 ? Wasn't that your question ? |
| 21:13.51 | bsdbeard | ,v grub |
| 21:13.52 | judd | Package: grub on i386 -- squeeze: 0.97-64 |
| 21:13.56 | bsdbeard | ,v grub2 |
| 21:13.57 | judd | Package: grub2 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u2; jessie: 2.02~beta2-19; sid: 2.02~beta2-20 |
| 21:14.08 | bsdbeard | rtur, 1.99 is the stable one, you said it won't work on 1.99 |
| 21:14.25 | critr | i guess i'll go rebuild my system (again), but really, they need to either fix the 3.16 kernel or remove it from the repo. |
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| 21:16.16 | rtur | bsdbeard: I said it hasn't done so for me, and I am using 2.02. |
| 21:16.22 | bsdbeard | hmm |
| 21:16.30 | rtur | bsdbeard: Could be I did something wrong, maybe you have more luck. |
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| 21:18.19 | bsdbeard | did anyone get it to work? I don't think it's worth trying if it doesn't work for anyone |
| 21:18.56 | rtur | bsdbeard: And it depends on your lvm setup, I was using lvm volumes without "native" partitions. (I think I once tried it the normal way but had the same problems). |
| 21:19.06 | bsdbeard | oh |
| 21:20.03 | bsdbeard | rtur, I just remembered something else, I'm cloning an archlinux system on to the same hardware my debian residess on, the arch system uses grub 2.02, but debian uses 1.99, would it be better to upgrade debians grub just in case? |
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| 21:21.05 | rtur | bsdbeard: You don't even need grub on your debian if you are using arch to install the bootloader. The config is only read once |
| 21:21.52 | bsdbeard | so I should use the bootloader from the arch system to load debian? |
| 21:22.22 | rtur | bsdbeard: You have to use one of them, you can't use both. Unless you are chainloading them.. but no point in doing so. |
| 21:23.29 | rtur | You could install it from both sides, either arch or debian, but all that will happen is grub will be overwritten by the most recent install. |
| 21:24.00 | bsdbeard | well since this (1.99) grub is already installed, and I'm simply cloning arch to this box, I suppose it's best to use the 1.99? |
| 21:25.14 | rtur | bsdbeard: It doesn't matter I think, as long as it boots. But if by cloning you mean you are copying it onto a partition then yes, you can just run grub-update from inside debian so arch will show up in the grub-menu |
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| 21:26.05 | bsdbeard | great, thanks, time to do this and hope for the best :-) |
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| 21:39.37 | tortib | Hello everyone |
| 21:39.45 | tortib | I'm receiving an error when trying to remove a package |
| 21:39.49 | tortib | it tells me the following |
| 21:39.57 | tortib | ERROR: Site roundcubemail does not exist! |
| 21:40.02 | tortib | roundcubemail is the pkg |
| 21:40.12 | tortib | I can't seem to install any new packages until I fix this one |
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| 21:40.25 | bsdbeard | ,v roundcubemail |
| 21:40.27 | judd | No package named 'roundcubemail' was found in i386. |
| 21:40.42 | bsdbeard | tortib, looks like there's no such package |
| 21:40.49 | tortib | it's from a 3rd party repository |
| 21:41.00 | bsdbeard | uh oh |
| 21:41.09 | mtn | tortib: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:41.23 | tortib | :( |
| 21:41.32 | tortib | Any idea how I can fix it since I broke it :( |
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| 21:41.43 | rtur | tortib: What's the actual error ? I assume you already run update after you inserted the source ? |
| 21:41.47 | teraflops | tortib: seems the uninstall script is looking for something you droped by hand? |
| 21:42.38 | tortib | http://paste.debian.net/140833/ |
| 21:42.54 | teraflops | tortib: as in im going to get rid of /usr/share/roundcube or whatever before deleting the package? |
| 21:43.01 | tortib | yeah it did :( |
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| 21:43.08 | tortib | but it created /usr/share/roundcubemail |
| 21:43.11 | tortib | I want to get rid of it completely |
| 21:43.22 | teraflops | tortib: then uninstall properly |
| 21:43.29 | tortib | I removed all packages except roundcubemail |
| 21:43.36 | tortib | teraflops: I did apt-get purge roundcubemail |
| 21:43.41 | tortib | what else should I have done? |
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| 21:44.23 | teraflops | tortib: or reinstall the packages forcing to re-create configs/stuff i think |
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| 21:45.38 | tortib | this package breaks apache |
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| 21:45.42 | rtur | reinstalling needs removing, so it will break at the same point. |
| 21:45.51 | tortib | and I don't feel like diagnosing what it does to break apache and fix it |
| 21:45.59 | bsdbeard | Decided to try installing pacman on debian, thought it would be the package manager, nope, it's the pacman game :-) |
| 21:46.01 | tortib | I just want to remove the package so I can install regular roundcube again |
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| 21:46.13 | johnburd_ | exit |
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| 21:46.53 | rtur | tortib You could look into the prerm script and see at what point it crashes |
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| 21:47.54 | teraflops | tortib: i think it asks either for a sites-enabled roundcube config file or a directory where the root was located just try touch create those ones |
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| 21:48.14 | teraflops | touch/or create |
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| 21:48.26 | tortib | the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/roundcubemail.conf link already exists :( |
| 21:48.40 | teraflops | is a dead link? |
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| 21:49.18 | tortib | teraflops: no |
| 21:49.20 | tortib | file exists |
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| 21:49.36 | teraflops | tortib: then look at it ad see where the root is located |
| 21:49.39 | teraflops | and* |
| 21:49.46 | Brumble | Hi. I'm a bit of a novice. Do most Debian program's GUI's run natively under most popular desktop GUI's |
| 21:49.57 | tortib | teraflops: root of what? |
| 21:50.03 | Brumble | Linux GUI's ^ I ment |
| 21:50.06 | tortib | teraflops: the link is valid the file exists |
| 21:50.08 | deviant | anyone managed to port collectd 5.4 from jessie/unstable to stable? I seem to be stuck with libprotobuf-c-dev which depends on libprotobuf-c1 which depends on libc6 (>= 2.14) |
| 21:50.10 | teraflops | of roundcube tortib |
| 21:50.24 | tortib | teraflops: roundcubemail is in /usr/share/roundcubemail which also exists |
| 21:50.30 | teraflops | uhm |
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| 21:51.06 | teraflops | tortib: are you mixing debian branches |
| 21:51.09 | teraflops | ? |
| 21:51.12 | mtn | Brumble: are you asking if gnome programs will run under kde, for instance? |
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| 21:51.24 | tortib | teraflops: no this was for wheezy which I'm running |
| 21:51.51 | teraflops | tortib: may you paste the full apt-get output? |
| 21:52.10 | tortib | teraflops: which apt-get output? apt-get purge roundcubemail? |
| 21:52.15 | teraflops | yep |
| 21:52.17 | Brumble | Well I mean non gnome or kde programs for example, will they run with any desktop with a gui I choose. |
| 21:52.20 | tortib | teraflops: http://paste.debian.net/140833/ |
| 21:52.38 | mtn | Brumble: what do you mean by a gui you choose? |
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| 21:53.21 | Brumble | I'm not familiar on the terms, bit novice. I mean the linux graphical desktop, there are many. |
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| 21:53.37 | croddy | you don't need to be running gnome to use gnome apps, but you do need to have the components installed. |
| 21:53.41 | croddy | likewise for kde apps. |
| 21:53.52 | mtn | Brumble: yes, any gui program should be able to work with any desktop. the looks may be a little different but they should work fine |
| 21:54.29 | bsdbeard | I believe the gnome programs use gtk, and the KDE ones use Qt |
| 21:54.38 | teraflops | tortib: did you even setup roundcubemail after the removal? |
| 21:54.43 | bsdbeard | so as long as you have those and some other dependancies you can run them |
| 21:54.45 | Brumble | Ok thank's, and if there the interface is problematic install the components. Understood. :) |
| 21:55.06 | mtn | Brumble: use the package manager and you won't have to worry about what is installed to make it work |
| 21:55.19 | BadCodSmell | My apt keeps trying to fetch translations, how do I tell it not to? |
| 21:55.23 | mtn | Brumble: it will take care of it for you :) |
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| 21:56.08 | tortib | teraflops: I got it to work |
| 21:56.39 | tortib | mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcubemail.* /tmp/ |
| 21:56.46 | tortib | apt-get purge roundcubemail |
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| 21:56.49 | Brumble | Than's. I want to try a minimal install with apt-get and install just the requirements for a desktop, and go from there. I can use debian netinst and choose expert install may be skip installing beyond the base and keyboard config and such.. |
| 21:57.08 | tortib | it didn't actually purge the files tho teraflops |
| 21:57.22 | teraflops | uhm tortib just look at what the pre-removal script is looking for I think |
| 21:57.30 | tortib | crap |
| 21:57.33 | tortib | now pkgs are not installing! |
| 21:57.34 | tortib | OH NO |
| 21:57.41 | tortib | i just installed roundcube-mysql |
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| 21:58.02 | tortib | wait |
| 21:58.04 | tortib | one second |
| 21:58.13 | rtur | tortib: Run this: for i in $(dpkg-query -L roundcubemail | xargs ) ; do test -f $i || test -d $i || echo $i ; done |
| 21:58.24 | tortib | whew |
| 21:58.26 | tortib | okay |
| 21:58.28 | tortib | everything is cool |
| 21:58.29 | tortib | no harm D: |
| 21:58.43 | bsdbeard | is the debian netinst like the arch installer? |
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| 21:59.19 | mtn | bsdbeard: no, not at all ;) |
| 21:59.20 | Brumble | The debian netinst even expert mode is very guided. |
| 21:59.32 | teraflops | tortib: i think it is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/whatever the file is located may be someone knew better |
| 21:59.41 | mtn | bsdbeard: mainly because arch does not have an installer :) |
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| 21:59.57 | tortib | teraflops: yeah I did some more googling and found the answer |
| 22:00.00 | bsdbeard | mtn, well it drops you into a live system, and you do whatever you want from there |
| 22:00.10 | bsdbeard | *it does* provide install.txt or something I believe |
| 22:00.12 | tortib | just had to move the pkg files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgname.* to /tmp |
| 22:00.14 | tortib | then remove the pkg |
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| 22:00.17 | mtn | bsdbeard: yup, you get a command line, not an installer |
| 22:00.23 | teraflops | tortib: heh |
| 22:00.34 | tortib | teraflops: ty for your help |
| 22:00.44 | bsdbeard | mtn, I was just wondering if debian netinst was like that, I've only installed debian using the 4GB isos |
| 22:00.50 | rtur | tortib: But then you lack the pre/post removal scripts and some data might be left after removal |
| 22:00.50 | teraflops | np tortib glad you got the clue |
| 22:01.02 | Brumble | I like netinst because it installs all the latest packages for debian as you install. |
| 22:01.05 | teraflops | rtur: so thats why my heh* |
| 22:01.06 | mtn | bsdbeard: the looks and features of the installers are the same |
| 22:01.10 | bsdbeard | oh |
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| 22:01.18 | mtn | bsdbeard: that is, between the netinstall and disks |
| 22:01.25 | bsdbeard | so the 4GB iso differs only in the packages that come bundled with it? |
| 22:01.32 | mtn | bsdbeard: yup |
| 22:01.41 | bsdbeard | I see, that's good to know |
| 22:01.52 | bsdbeard | for future installs |
| 22:03.07 | tortib | teraflops: any idea why roundcube wouldn't read the main.inc.php file in /etc/roundcube after I reinstalled? |
| 22:03.12 | Brumble | bsdbeard debian does not want to go non free so it has free firmware so if you need non free firmware you can choose an .iso with nonfree firmware or just download each firmware installer for debian for the devices needing them. |
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| 22:03.45 | teraflops | tortib: you just reinstalled again? |
| 22:03.55 | tortib | teraflops: roundcubemail != roundcube |
| 22:04.00 | tortib | roundcubemail was a 3rd party plugin |
| 22:04.07 | tortib | er s/plugin/package |
| 22:04.13 | bsdbeard | Brumble, That was actually the reason I got the 4GB iso, I thought the netinstaller might not have drivers to setup wlan0 |
| 22:04.47 | Brumble | relating to a netinst .iso I meant bsdbeard. Also I'm not sure the 4GB dvd has non free firmware. |
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| 22:05.18 | Brumble | I think debian wants to be free |
| 22:05.28 | teraflops | tortib: nop, unless you left junk there beacuse you bypassed the removal scripts |
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| 22:05.47 | bsdbeard | Brumble, which is why they replace foxes with weasels :P |
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| 22:06.07 | Brumble | Yeah :) |
| 22:06.37 | tortib | teraflops: no...I didn't bypass the removal script |
| 22:07.22 | Brumble | I have Debian on here now, works fine. I don't like lxde though. I want a minimal desktop interface with just a menu listing software i install. |
| 22:08.05 | bsdbeard | Brumble, what DE are you installing? |
| 22:08.14 | centrx | Brumble, You could try openbox (I also use fbpanel with it) |
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| 22:08.35 | Allanis | bsdbeard: i use dwm with dmenu. But that doesn't give the menu you are looking for, try IceWM. |
| 22:08.45 | bsdbeard | Allanis, wrong person? |
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| 22:09.25 | Allanis | Ohsorry, yeag |
| 22:09.27 | Allanis | yeah* |
| 22:09.29 | Allanis | Brumble. |
| 22:09.46 | Brumble | bsdbeard what's DE i'm not familiar with that term, novice me. :D |
| 22:10.21 | Brumble | Yeah openbox may be that I could use, i will research desktops |
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| 22:10.54 | rtur | Brumble: DE -> Desktop Environment |
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| 22:12.08 | Tuplanolla | I encountered a really strange bug with the Debian testing I just installed. |
| 22:12.25 | Brumble | Oh! Desktop Environment! |
| 22:12.34 | bsdbeard | Still waiting for the day there's a proper framebuffer browser then I won't need a DE :-P |
| 22:12.35 | Brumble | smacks head |
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| 22:12.56 | teraflops | Brumble: use a WM then |
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| 22:13.32 | Tuplanolla | Text rendered by Java applications is consistently truncated, as in the second half of the text has space reserved for it, but has no glyphs. |
| 22:13.47 | Tuplanolla | Changing the laf or the font doesn't affect it. |
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| 22:14.39 | Tuplanolla | Menu items like Exit turn into Ex. |
| 22:14.47 | Brumble | If mom's not watching a movie i'm gonna try a minimal install in a minute with netinst on this desktop and use an android tablet to find the minimal packages to install the support what I will use. |
| 22:14.57 | Brumble | I mean this laptop |
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| 22:15.00 | Brumble | : \ |
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| 22:16.21 | teraflops | Tuplanolla: are you sure java is using the proper locales |
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| 22:17.14 | Tuplanolla | I chose en_DK.UTF-8 upon installing it, but no. |
| 22:17.35 | bsdbeard | what's the DK in en_DK? |
| 22:17.41 | Dreamix | guys, i need a shell account on unix/linux system located in US (US network), i need it for personal ssh tunnel |
| 22:18.00 | Tuplanolla | Some country that has a sane date format. Probably Denmark. |
| 22:18.03 | Dreamix | we can exchange access if you wish |
| 22:18.12 | bsdbeard | Dreamix, there's several free unix shell acount providers |
| 22:18.33 | Dreamix | bsdbeard: most of them are banned globally, not realy need such stuff |
| 22:18.42 | MrFrood_ | Dreamix: sdf.org |
| 22:18.51 | bsdbeard | Dreamix, banned from what? |
| 22:18.58 | Dreamix | a am searching for a friend, or good guy to do me that favour |
| 22:19.41 | Dreamix | MrFrood_: well, banned from fb and other public stuff |
| 22:19.49 | Dreamix | anyways |
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| 22:20.16 | Dreamix | gonna check sdf.org |
| 22:21.12 | Melissa_ | Is there hardware acceleration for Nvidia graphics with the nouveau driver? |
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| 22:22.58 | ompaul | Melissa_: that question is far too vague, and here is the current state of the project, so depending on your running stable or testing or something else your mileage may vary. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 22:25.40 | Tuplanolla | Changing the locale seems to have no effect, teraflops. |
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| 22:26.07 | teraflops | Tuplanolla: are they utf-8? |
| 22:26.27 | Tuplanolla | The strings? No. The locale? Yes. |
| 22:26.50 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
| 22:26.54 | Tuplanolla | I tried LC_ALL=C and LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8. |
| 22:27.17 | teraflops | uhm |
| 22:27.40 | tobiasBora | I have a program that is installed and I would like to know who installed it (I don't have installed this program myself) |
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| 22:28.10 | tobiasBora | Is there a way to know how a package has been installed, when, by who... ? |
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| 22:29.22 | tobiasBora | And too if it's possible to know from which server it comes from... |
| 22:29.25 | Tuplanolla | I have a deadline tomorrow, so I guess I have to install another system and hope it works better. |
| 22:29.49 | Dreamix | tobiasBora: try dpkg-query -S programname |
| 22:30.03 | Dreamix | or filename |
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| 22:31.26 | tobiasBora | Dreamix: It gives me all the files that minidlna has installed ? It's interesting, but sadly I don't know how it was installed |
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| 22:32.31 | Dreamix | tobiasBora: check when it is installed in /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 22:32.32 | dm7freek | does ubuntu get updates/new stuff before debian kinda like fedora/RHEL? |
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| 22:34.24 | tobiasBora | Dreamix: Interesting, but the program isn't present... |
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| 22:35.00 | Dreamix | tobiasBora: then, not installed via apt or aptitude guess... |
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| 22:35.27 | Dreamix | can you find it by dpkg -l |grep program_name |
| 22:35.31 | Dreamix | ? |
| 22:35.35 | tobiasBora | Dreamix: But I can see it when I open syntaptic |
| 22:35.41 | Dreamix | if yes, should be there |
| 22:35.58 | tobiasBora | Yes I see it |
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| 22:36.50 | Dreamix | okay, the older history.log logs are archived note that |
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| 22:37.06 | tobiasBora | Hum... |
| 22:37.10 | babaw | hey guys |
| 22:37.24 | tobiasBora | Dreamix: Is there a simple way to search in archive history files ? |
| 22:37.27 | babaw | how can i get the .config that a running debian kernel was built with? |
| 22:37.38 | babaw | i dont see /proc/config.gz... |
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| 22:38.03 | Dreamix | tobiasBora: try zcat /var/log/apt/history.log.*.gz|grep -i program_name |
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| 22:38.20 | babaw | are there .config files posted online? |
| 22:38.45 | rtur | babaw you should have one in your /boot dir too |
| 22:38.46 | Dreamix | tobiasBora: actually zgrep package_name /var/log/apt/history.log.*.gz |
| 22:38.49 | Dreamix | is better way |
| 22:39.28 | tobiasBora | Dreamix: It doesn't appear... |
| 22:39.34 | babaw | ohh cool! that was it |
| 22:39.35 | babaw | thanks |
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| 22:39.49 | tobiasBora | (my program is minidlna if it can help) |
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| 23:25.58 | pakaran | Hi, has a release date (or estimate) for Jessie been announced? |
| 23:26.06 | dondelelcaro | pakaran: no |
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| 23:26.19 | dondelelcaro | pakaran: we almost never announce release dates until very soon before the release |
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| 23:26.41 | dondelelcaro | pakaran: so when you hear of a date, if it's more than a week before, it's wrong. |
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| 23:26.48 | pakaran | ah ok. Honestly, I'm not concerned about the release per se, but I'm a testing user and wouldn't mind getting updates again. |
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| 23:27.04 | pakaran | thanks. there's not even a good guess announced? |
| 23:27.05 | dondelelcaro | pakaran: ah; as far as a wild guess goes, I'd say March. |
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| 23:27.12 | pakaran | thanks |
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| 23:27.33 | dondelelcaro | pakaran: nah, we don't do that either. but the data is all there, and you can look at previous releases and guess yourself |
| 23:27.41 | dondelelcaro | (or you can ask someone to make an unofficial guess) |
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| 23:28.18 | pakaran | I was thinking March or April myself, just eyeballing the RC bug graph. |
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| 23:30.21 | pakaran | Has anyone tried installing superglue on the bottom of https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/graph.png ? It looks like when a version becomes stable, the number of bugs immediately bounces back up ;) |
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| 23:37.35 | babaw | hey guys |
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| 23:38.24 | babaw | is a kernel 3.18.0 debian package available yet? |
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| 23:44.13 | tobiasBora | Dreamix : (that isn't connected anymore ?) Thank you for your help, I solve my problem because of your help ! |
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| 23:51.56 | tobiasBora | I would like to run a program as root but by keeping the environment variable of the user, (in order to run a program that is in the user path) is it possible ? |
| 23:52.22 | elco__ | hi |
| 23:54.51 | garyserj | how do you remove a package, its unused dependencies and its configuration files? |
| 23:56.18 | garyserj | is it apt-get autoremove --purge. Or is it apt-get purge --auto-remove ? or either? |
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