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| 00:59.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 01:02.56 | JeanRobert | yo dawg do you even debian? |
| 01:05.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i am tryingg to set my DISPLAY |
| 01:05.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i cann start up x apps from cli terminal like xterm or terminator. |
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| 01:11.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 01:11.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh come on guys |
| 01:27.26 | jhutchins | Eryn_1983_FL: Try just :0 |
| 01:27.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 01:28.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope still not working |
| 01:28.52 | jhutchins | Eryn_1983_FL: You're going to have to define "not working" much more clearly then. Could be several other things causing problems. |
| 01:28.55 | jhutchins | : What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 01:28.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | xclock |
| 01:28.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | Error: Can't open display: :0 |
| 01:30.24 | jhutchins | Eryn_1983_FL: Yes, and how are you connecting? |
| 01:30.51 | jhutchins | Eryn_1983_FL: It knows the correct display, it just doesn't have rights to open it. |
| 01:32.33 | jhutchins | gives up and wanders off in search of a cookie... |
| 01:32.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | its just a desktop lxde |
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| 01:32.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry |
| 01:32.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried xhost + |
| 01:32.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | and xhost + erin |
| 01:33.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | it still says xhost unable to open |
| 01:33.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | local machine fyi |
| 01:35.41 | jhutchins | http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.7.0/doc/xauth.1.html |
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| 01:39.37 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: you sohuldn't use xhost |
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| 01:42.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok what should i use |
| 01:43.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know i fixed it before |
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| 01:45.41 | abrotman | kicks debhelper |
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| 01:48.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | abrotman: what should i do then |
| 01:48.54 | dvs | debhelper can't count. |
| 01:49.10 | abrotman | debhelper: I'm going to hurt you |
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| 01:50.29 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: there's xauth and xhost ways to gain permissions if you weren't the user who started X. |
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| 01:50.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Eryn_1983_FL about mit magic cookie |
| 01:50.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i am but its still wont let me start apps from xterm which is all i care about |
| 01:51.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah me and dpkg are talking about that, |
| 01:51.20 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: and there's old school ways of copying .Xauthority plus changing owner:group and setting DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY to do that. |
| 01:51.34 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: which apps are you trying ot start as which user? |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | and who owns the Xorg session? |
| 01:51.57 | Shadow_7 | but the copy and perms change requires root |
| 01:52.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | my login user is erin and i want them ran as me, |
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| 01:52.20 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: pastebin the full command and output |
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| 01:52.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 01:52.29 | Shadow_7 | some display managers let you setup X to share by default |
| 01:52.33 | dondelelcaro | lets see if that's better |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 01:52.47 | Henry151 | would anybody like to recommend a good inexpensive option for a debian vps? |
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| 01:53.09 | dondelelcaro | Henry151: I'm happy with linode, and gandhi is also out there |
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| 01:53.26 | dondelelcaro | or gandi; however it's spelled. there are undoubtedly others |
| 01:53.44 | Henry151 | thanks much for the input, I'll check those two out |
| 01:53.52 | paultag | I use linode |
| 01:54.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://paste.debian.net/140856/ |
| 01:54.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | that help that is all from a local X session of lxde with terminator xterminal |
| 01:54.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok? anything else ya need? |
| 01:55.32 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: export XAUTHORITY="/home/erin/.Xauthority" |
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| 01:55.55 | Shadow_7 | you didn't need to have that in days of old, but basically required now |
| 01:56.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope no workie |
| 01:56.10 | masardi | hello, any sugestion about the best debian based distro? |
| 01:56.43 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: assuming .Xauthority is a copy of the user who started X. and the permissions allow read access |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | masardi: this is #debian, we'll tell you Debian |
| 01:57.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | um i think i deleted that.. |
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| 01:57.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | my .Xauthority is no longer in $home |
| 01:57.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i restart X? |
| 01:57.31 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: and make sure the display really is :0. $ xvidtune -show |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: did you su, and then su to your user? |
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| 01:57.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | xvidtune -show |
| 01:57.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | Error: Can't open display: :0 |
| 01:57.59 | masardi | abrotman, sorry guys :) |
| 01:58.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
| 01:58.22 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: glxinfo has the display value. |
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| 01:59.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i ccant even do glxinfo |
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| 02:01.19 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: how about $ ps -lAwF | grep X |
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| 02:03.44 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: if you have access to the gui directly you can launch an xterm and echo $DISPLAY in that xterm to get the value |
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| 02:05.08 | Shadow_7 | When I was starting X with startx and differing users, it would increment the :#. Using startx -- :0 sets it to :0 to overcome that trait. |
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| 02:06.26 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: some distros don't use Xauthority. But debian does at last check. |
| 02:06.46 | Shadow_7 | I have been known to accidentally use mv instead of cp |
| 02:07.24 | Shadow_7 | but that's why there's .bash_history |
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| 02:11.48 | deb1098 | hi. my laptop's wifi is not working. i checked dmesg and it appears it is disabled. i did "rfkill unblock wlan" but it didn't work. can someone give me some advice? |
| 02:11.56 | deb1098 | "iwlwifi 0000:06:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio." |
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| 02:12.26 | dvs | debhelper CAN count! |
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| 02:13.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got it now woot |
| 02:14.16 | abrotman | deb1098: does it have a hardware switch? |
| 02:15.04 | deb1098 | abrotman: yes, but i have tried flipping it both ways. |
| 02:15.34 | deb1098 | i am able to use wifi if i connect an external USB wifi adapter |
| 02:15.52 | mdel | so I opened my thinkpad on today after 6 months, it runs jessie - updated/upgraded all packages. I'm having a weird issue now where my network interfaces (wlan0 and eth0) seem to conflict. Wifi connects, but then an entry for eth0 is added to the routing table |
| 02:16.27 | mdel | I have to restart networking service to set things straight, but after waking from sleep things are fubar again |
| 02:17.46 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: you can also xauth list :0 for the user who started X. And xauth add <output there of on other user> to make it more persistent. |
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| 02:18.26 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: assumes that ~/.Xauthority is a blank file |
| 02:18.56 | Shadow_7 | Eryn_1983_FL: for the non X starting user. |
| 02:19.13 | mdel | broken routing table: http://screencloud.net/v/xqky |
| 02:19.55 | mdel | working after restarting networking: http://screencloud.net/v/k3DC |
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| 02:20.21 | deb1098 | maybe my internal wifi adapter is broken |
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| 02:21.19 | mdel | interfaces: http://screencloud.net/v/oBIk |
| 02:21.36 | deb1098 | but when i start the computer i have to run rfkill unblock wlan to get the external wifi adapter to work. so it's like the machine is blocking it by default |
| 02:21.39 | Shadow_7 | deb1098: is it the only wifi in the area? My hpsteam11 seems to get drowned out easily. Shutdown the other devices and it's flawless. |
| 02:22.19 | deb1098 | Shadow_7: it's the only device currently |
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| 02:22.59 | Shadow_7 | that and I seem to get jammed between 4pm and 6pm |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | Shadow_7: tried changing channels? |
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| 02:23.45 | Shadow_7 | abrotman: gave up on the flake as the other wifi devices have no issue. I got an apple usb to ethernet to cable through the asus rt-n12 like all the other devices |
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| 02:24.41 | Shadow_7 | not really a bottleneck since my ISP sucks on speed. Googles cheapest fiber offering is better. But it beats dialup. |
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| 02:25.16 | t4nk665 | im using wheezy. how to enable hibernation on this system? could not understand the details in https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/hibernate |
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| 02:27.20 | mdel | should I even need to mess with /etc/network/interfaces? why isn't there an entry for wlan0 in there? should there be? |
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| 02:27.58 | Shadow_7 | mdel: depends on how you configure things |
| 02:28.15 | Shadow_7 | mdel: networkmanager ignores devices configured in /etc/network/interfaces by default |
| 02:28.35 | mdel | ok yeah, that makes sense then |
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| 02:29.14 | mdel | so is networkmanager where I should be looking? hard to know where to look since I haven't had to dive into this before |
| 02:29.26 | mdel | previously, networking Just Worked ;) |
| 02:29.35 | Shadow_7 | mdel: depends do you use a gui to configure networking? |
| 02:30.12 | mdel | yeah I'm using networkmanager I believe |
| 02:30.20 | mdel | wifi is configured in the gui |
| 02:30.42 | Shadow_7 | mdel: there are some firmwares that are not installed by default. dmesg might hint on that |
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| 02:31.04 | eatyourguitar | are questions about architechure support and hardware support better in #debian or #ubuntu |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | eatyourguitar: That depends which distro you're using |
| 02:31.31 | Shadow_7 | mdel: apt-cache search firmware --names-only |
| 02:31.37 | mdel | Shadow_7: well everything is working properly after restarting networking, the issue is that my routing table is incorrect on boot |
| 02:31.41 | abrotman | eatyourguitar: ask the channel for your distro, that's the appropriate place |
| 02:31.52 | mdel | Shadow_7: i posted screenshots above. I don't think its a firmware issue in this case |
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| 02:32.05 | Shadow_7 | mdel: if it works at all it's not |
| 02:32.12 | mdel | ok yeah |
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| 02:32.39 | Shadow_7 | not directly anyway. might be a better firmware somewhere |
| 02:32.47 | eatyourguitar | does ubuntu lag behind debian in adding new drivers for chipsets? |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | eatyourguitar: ask #ubuntu, we wouldn't know |
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| 02:36.57 | t4nk665 | im using wheezy. how to enable hibernation on this system? could not understand the details in https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/hibernate |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | t4nk665: http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend ? |
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| 02:42.40 | mdel | Shadow_7: aha - it seems that networkmanager DOES look at /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 02:43.39 | mdel | http://screencloud.net/v/xIry |
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| 02:43.59 | mdel | i commented out those lines, which allows networkmanager to manage the wired connection |
| 02:44.08 | mdel | seems to be working as expected now |
| 02:44.11 | buu | Hey, can anyone remind me of the simple x program that just listens for keys and launches programs? |
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| 02:45.03 | mdel | buu: are you talking about xhotkey? |
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| 02:45.40 | buu | mdel: This seems likely! |
| 02:46.01 | buu | Except uh, where is it hiding? |
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| 02:46.23 | mdel | not sure, I haven't used that in... 5+ years? :) |
| 02:46.29 | mdel | should be a package for it, no? |
| 02:46.46 | buu | Doesn't seem to be! |
| 02:46.52 | buu | I found http://www.nongnu.org/xhotkeys/ |
| 02:46.57 | mdel | yeah, maybe that's not what you want then |
| 02:47.05 | buu | Yeah I really thought one came 'built in' |
| 02:48.09 | mdel | well might also depend on your DE |
| 02:48.25 | mdel | gnome has the ability to map basic shortcuts via Keyboard settings |
| 02:48.54 | mdel | http://screencloud.net/v/Rwk |
| 02:48.57 | buu | Yeah |
| 02:49.10 | buu | I kinda dislike touching gnome, but meh |
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| 02:51.26 | t4nk665 | it seems that the suspend sets the computer to sleep. i want to hibernate so i can power off the system. can it be done |
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| 02:57.39 | jsw__ | t4nk665, Have you seen the wiki page on Hibernation? https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation |
| 02:58.34 | t4nk665 | yes, i read that, but could not understand it much. |
| 02:58.48 | t4nk665 | should i run s2disk cmd in root terminal? |
| 02:58.48 | jsw__ | Yeah, granted there isn't much info there.. |
| 02:59.07 | jsw__ | tbh I haven't used hibernation before, was just trying to be helpful. |
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| 03:10.23 | t4nk665 | has anyone tried pm-hibernate command |
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| 03:18.16 | Shadow_7 | mdel: yes it does look and anything in there it ignores |
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| 03:19.08 | mdel | here's another weird issue after upgrading everything after 6 months |
| 03:19.14 | mdel | no sound... just realized XD |
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| 03:20.10 | Shadow_7 | mdel: check if alsa-base is still installed |
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| 03:20.28 | Shadow_7 | mdel: otherwise cat /proc/asound/cards to see if you card order changed |
| 03:21.00 | mdel | alsa-base is still installed |
| 03:21.11 | mdel | alsamixer shows what I would expect |
| 03:21.16 | mdel | my user is still in the audio group |
| 03:21.26 | mdel | speaker-test = no sound |
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| 03:22.12 | mdel | Shadow_7: http://screencloud.net/v/BML6 |
| 03:22.26 | mdel | order there looks correct |
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| 03:24.13 | mdel | maybe a pulseaudio issue |
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| 03:29.02 | Shadow_7 | mdel: could be... remember the ~/.pulse stuff migrating to ~/.config/pulse... could be in the way |
| 03:29.35 | mdel | hmm yeah, I don't have a ~/.pulse |
| 03:29.51 | mdel | laughs internally |
| 03:30.45 | Shadow_7 | mdel: if you try to launch it as root you have /.pulse that gets in the way too |
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| 03:33.04 | mdel | Shadow_7: .... derp http://screencloud.net/v/CT15 |
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| 03:33.22 | mdel | lol just needed to select Speakers haha |
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| 03:49.25 | chaospsychex | re:gentoo - debian's gentoo factoid - Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 03:49.35 | chaospsychex | LOL! |
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| 03:55.10 | zykotick9 | chaospsychex: where have i seen that before? |
| 03:56.39 | chaospsychex | o.0 LOL! |
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| 04:42.22 | Henry151 | hey guys |
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| 04:42.49 | jeezy | hi |
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| 04:43.30 | Henry151 | so if I just set up a linode Debian VPS and booted it and connected to it with PyTTY for the first time, and the very first command I issue after successfully logging in is "apt-get update," is there any reason why I should expect it to fail? |
| 04:43.48 | Henry151 | *PuTTY |
| 04:44.17 | Henry151 | it seems almost like it doesn't have a network connection |
| 04:44.46 | itched | well, that'd be silly considering you can connect to it through putty. |
| 04:44.51 | trem0r | haha |
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| 04:47.10 | Henry151 | the first command I entered after logging in as root was "apt-get update" and it says could not resolve mirrors.linode.com and could not resolve security.debian.org |
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| 04:47.34 | itched | Try pinging something. |
| 04:47.51 | Henry151 | ping google.com ...... nothing |
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| 04:48.24 | Henry151 | so weird |
| 04:48.31 | itched | ifconfig? |
| 04:48.44 | itched | don't tell your ip address, just say if it has one |
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| 04:49.35 | Henry151 | yeah it has one |
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| 04:52.08 | gerforce | I couldn't update shockwave flash plugin in iceweasel on debian wheezy. When i clicked the "Update Now" button, it prompted "Not Found". How can i update it manually? |
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| 04:55.53 | Shadow_7 | Henry151: ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:55.59 | Shadow_7 | aka googles dns server |
| 04:56.11 | Shadow_7 | Henry151: ping -c 2 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:56.27 | Shadow_7 | since linux defaults to "forever" instead of 4 like winders |
| 04:56.53 | SirLagz | Shadow_7: or just hit ctrl-c when you've had enough |
| 04:57.28 | Guest48031 | !pinf |
| 04:57.29 | dpkg | It's "ping", you idiot. Learn to type. Oh yeah: pong. |
| 04:57.39 | Henry151 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.39 | Guest48031 | !ping |
| 04:57.39 | dpkg | Yes, guest48031 you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 04:57.43 | DrakkenWarr | lulz |
| 04:57.54 | Shadow_7 | Henry151: so you have DNS issues |
| 04:57.58 | Henry151 | but ping google.com doesnt |
| 04:58.01 | Henry151 | ok |
| 04:58.13 | DrakkenWarr | have you flushed arp? |
| 04:58.37 | Shadow_7 | Henry151: aka /etc/resolv.conf or whatever method you're setup for / familiar with |
| 04:59.04 | DrakkenWarr | I would flush arp and dns records and try again |
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| 05:00.46 | Henry151 | ok |
| 05:00.47 | Henry151 | thanks guys |
| 05:01.08 | Henry151 | I also see in the linode dashboard thing there's a link for DNS Manager |
| 05:01.30 | Henry151 | is that anything I might need to mess with |
| 05:02.36 | Shadow_7 | normally dhclient or dhcpcd takes care of setting up dns |
| 05:02.47 | Shadow_7 | but most ISPs reported dns servers blow chunks |
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| 05:03.40 | supaplex_ | Is there a debian way to run your own search appliance? E.g., like Google Search appliance. |
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| 05:07.47 | brentaarnold | In Jessie current vers. I'm having an issue in Pulse Audio where whenever I have my TV hooked up through HDMI and a 3.5MM output to separate speakers it's only seeing the HDMI. When I change the Output to the correct output it does not reflect in 'Output' |
| 05:09.54 | SirLagz | !jessie |
| 05:09.54 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>. |
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| 05:14.11 | Rusty1 | brentaarnold: i think there is a #pulseaudio channel, #alsa as well whilst you wait here |
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| 05:15.57 | Rusty1 | brentaarnold: i think there is a #pulseaudio channel, #alsa as well whilst you wait here |
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| 05:18.35 | garsudo | hello, is anyone willing to assist me with a problem I'm having with installation? |
| 05:18.40 | raleeha | hi |
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| 05:18.54 | SirLagz | garsudo: won't know until you ask the question |
| 05:18.55 | DrakkenWarr | what's the problem garsudo |
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| 05:19.31 | garsudo | attempting install with mounting the net install iso. everything's fine until it asks me to restart |
| 05:19.49 | garsudo | so while restarting (thinkpad btw), when the screen comes up in which you choose which OS to boot |
| 05:19.52 | DrakkenWarr | are you installing into a vm? garsudo? |
| 05:20.00 | garsudo | my thinkpad INSTANTLY chooses Windows |
| 05:20.10 | garsudo | I have absolutely no chance to choose otherwise because of how fast it happens |
| 05:20.38 | DrakkenWarr | I do not think it has anything to do with a thinkpad. On a T510 here atm |
| 05:20.42 | garsudo | and pressing the blue button does nothing, I press it, it says it's loading Thinkvantage, then goes to the OS selection screen and the same thing happens |
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| 05:21.18 | DrakkenWarr | did you do an md5 check on your iso? It really sounds like something is wonky with your install media |
| 05:21.29 | garsudo | no |
| 05:22.33 | garsudo | not sure how to do that actually |
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| 05:22.50 | garsudo | oh it's a program I see |
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| 05:23.04 | DrakkenWarr | aye it is |
| 05:23.27 | okee | What are people using for out-of-the box search tools, to enable you to search for key words inside a list of files? |
| 05:23.45 | DrakkenWarr | grep? |
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| 05:24.58 | garsudo | so if it comes up bad, do I just redownload the same iso? |
| 05:25.20 | DrakkenWarr | aye, and check it against the md5 duder |
| 05:25.49 | garsudo | ok thanks |
| 05:26.01 | DrakkenWarr | no worries Sir. Good luck |
| 05:27.26 | gerforce | i couldn't update Shockwave Flash plugin in iceweasel on Debian Wheezy. When i clicked the "Update Now", it prompted "Not Found".How can i update it manually? |
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| 05:30.28 | garsudo | oh boy..alright so on the md5sum site it says to right click the iso and Send To... windmd5sum, but there is no winmd5sum in my Send To... list |
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| 05:38.28 | gerforce | garsudo: just using md5sum command on the command line |
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| 05:39.08 | gerforce | md5sum -c filename [filename is the file that you download with your iso file] |
| 05:39.11 | garsudo | on the cygwin command line? |
| 05:40.15 | gerforce | garsudo: windows? |
| 05:40.42 | garsudo | yeah |
| 05:41.35 | gerforce | garsudo: not familiar with cygwin simulator. You can install winmd5sum on windows. |
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| 05:45.55 | garsudo | nothing happened with that command in md5sum |
| 05:46.07 | garsudo | I'm going to try the 3 part iso |
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| 06:00.36 | kingsley | How would you automatically configure a USB mouse to emulate 3 buttons and scrolling at boot time? |
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| 06:02.43 | centrx | kingsley, If you mean in X, there are options for the Xorg configuration like Emulate3Buttons |
| 06:02.46 | centrx | kingsley, ftp://www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.0/doc/mouse.4.html |
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| 06:04.59 | kingsley | centrx: Yes, I expect configuring X properly would work. |
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| 06:05.31 | kingsley | Do you happen to know if my vague recollection is correct that something like ... |
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| 06:06.10 | kingsley | $ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 06:06.36 | centrx | kingsley, yes |
| 06:06.38 | kingsley | walks the user through configuring the mouse? |
| 06:07.05 | centrx | kingsley, but you might have to add the options in the xorg.conf file, I'm not sure they are in the configuration wizard |
| 06:07.28 | kingsley | At least for me, |
| 06:07.30 | kingsley | $ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:08.08 | kingsley | returns immediately, with no dialog, prompts, etc... |
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| 06:11.36 | centrx | kingsley, yeah, all the xorg configuration is recognized automatically by X now |
| 06:11.53 | centrx | kingsley, xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics don't do anything with dpkg-reconfigure for me either |
| 06:12.14 | centrx | kingsley, But it's pretty straightforward to create an xorg.conf file and put those lines in it |
| 06:12.27 | centrx | kingsley, You don't have to create the whole file, just put those options in it in the right section |
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| 06:12.40 | centrx | kingsley, Otherwise, you can try X -configure if you want |
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| 06:16.02 | strahm | why would someone use debian over ubuntu? |
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| 06:17.03 | kingsley | centrx: For what it's worth, I found a file named ... |
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| 06:17.56 | kingsley | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-marblemouse.conf |
| 06:18.42 | kingsley | It worked before I removed a USB to PS/2 converter from the mouse cord, and plugged the mouse into a USB port. |
| 06:19.02 | kingsley | Maybe I should check X's log file for diagnostic info. |
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| 06:22.24 | kingsley | strahm: It seems to me that debian attracts system administrators who are comfortable working at the command line, and ubuntu attracts users who like graphical (user) interfaces. |
| 06:22.38 | SirLagz | strahm: because I don't want Ubuntu's crap |
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| 06:32.23 | a287852 | I tried updating to jessie and now grub doesn't work, what can I do? |
| 06:32.43 | a287852 | it goes into rescue mode and when i ls the hd0's it always says unknown filesystem |
| 06:32.45 | SirLagz | !jessie |
| 06:32.45 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>. |
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| 06:33.02 | SirLagz | a287852: sounds like something got hosed though |
| 06:33.20 | a287852 | i have windows installed too but nothing seems to be recognized |
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| 06:35.10 | DrakkenWarr | did you install linux after your default windows install a2 |
| 06:35.45 | kingsley | centrx: I'm happy to report that commenting out 2 overly restrictive lines in 50-marblemouse.conf seems to have returned me back to the land of 1000 happy dances. |
| 06:35.49 | a287852 | yes |
| 06:35.51 | a287852 | but i had it for months |
| 06:35.53 | a287852 | running wheezy |
| 06:36.01 | centrx | the land of 1000 happy dances wow |
| 06:36.09 | kingsley | centrx: Thank you for being my patient sounding board. |
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| 06:36.52 | kingsley | centrx: Yes, the land of 1000 happy dances. It's out around Robin's barn. |
| 06:37.24 | Rajsun | strahm: diff folks diff strokes. Personally, I'm comfortable using both Debian and Ubuntu and several other non-Deb based distros e.g. Arch "Testing/Unstable" and the BSDs. Each distro and OS has its own strengths and weaknesses. I don't like some of the decisions made by each of the aforementioned distros devs regarding some major components e.g. the switch to Unity for Ubuntu a few years ago. But that said, wasn't it Shuttleworth who said that software |
| 06:37.26 | Rajsun | projects ain't democracies? Anyway just a personal observation of mine...Debian does seem to possess a lot more knowledgeable users than both Ubuntu and Mint combined. For what it is worth, Ubuntu despite its size still have to depend on Debian as upstream for many of its packages. |
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| 06:47.32 | superrorc | hi there! |
| 06:47.36 | superrorc | any ideas with troubleshooting IPSEC VPN , IKE encryption failed - log - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gUAPg6ip |
| 06:47.54 | superrorc | look through 5 strings pls |
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| 06:50.46 | topi` | Rajsun: shuttleworth has his own ambitions, that's why ubuntu looks like it does today |
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| 06:51.04 | topi` | but it's still possible to mix'n'match ... of course, Debian is better in that respect |
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| 06:51.46 | topi` | but it seems there's a lot of discontent over the recent Systemd decision - which is from my point of view just an evolution of booting up linux |
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| 06:56.02 | meow271 | anyone here know how to install debian with a usb drive? |
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| 06:56.15 | meow271 | because every time i have attempted this so far, something is always broken |
| 06:56.47 | meow271 | like right now, on the lxde live disk, /usr/sbin/debian-installer-launcher wont run |
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| 07:14.24 | rtur | meow271: you mean you can boot from the usb drive but launching the installer doesn't work ? |
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| 07:15.34 | meow271 | rtur: exactly |
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| 07:15.56 | rtur | try to run it from Terminal so you can see what the problem is |
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| 07:19.06 | meow271 | rtur: no suitable d-i initrd image found, aborting. |
| 07:19.18 | meow271 | umount:/lib/live/installer: not found |
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| 07:20.18 | rtur | meow271: Hmm.. At this point I would reboot and do a consistency check of the usb, there should be an option for it in the boot menu of the stick I think. |
| 07:21.43 | rtur | meow271: How have you put the iso onto the usb ? |
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| 07:22.27 | meow271 | rtur: for one mechanism i used dd, for this one i used yumi |
| 07:22.44 | rtur | both times the same problem ? |
| 07:23.10 | meow271 | rtur: if i go with the graphical installer, then it would find the cdrom |
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| 07:23.26 | rtur | meow271 What cdrom ? |
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| 07:24.32 | meow271 | on the graphical installer: "Load nstaller compenents from cd" "There was a problem reading data from the cd-rom. please make sure it is in the drive. if retrying does not work, yoiu should check the integrity of your cd-riom" |
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| 07:24.49 | meow271 | Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Reptry? Yes No |
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| 07:25.14 | meow271 | in this case, it says i dont have a valid cdrom... |
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| 07:25.32 | meow271 | if i try checkign it |
| 07:25.37 | rtur | I see. Have you used the same .iso for both tries ? Have you checked the image first ? |
| 07:25.54 | meow271 | rtur: no for both |
| 07:26.06 | meow271 | ill have to ask about this anothe time/ its 2:25 am here |
| 07:26.09 | meow271 | thanks rtur |
| 07:26.21 | rtur | meow271: bye |
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| 08:13.05 | brucelee | anyone know why netstat shows this: tcp6 0 0 [::]:9200 [::]:* LISTEN |
| 08:13.10 | brucelee | but not *:9200 |
| 08:13.16 | brucelee | but yet im still able to telnet to 127.0.0.1 9200 |
| 08:13.20 | brucelee | ? |
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| 08:39.22 | Iridos | brucelee, it used to show two entries, one tcp6 and one tcp ... I don't think you can bind protocol-specifically to tcp[46], so it seems like a bug somewhere |
| 08:39.28 | Iridos | brucelee, you might try ##networking |
| 08:40.20 | brucelee | Iridos: thanks! |
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| 08:40.37 | brucelee | Iridos: it used* to? you mean in past versiosn of debian? |
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| 08:43.56 | Iridos | brucelee, I think it's coming like this from the kernel... if you do lsof | grep IPv , you see the same for some processes |
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| 08:45.04 | Iridos | funny thing is, I do indeed see cupsd 3303 IPv6 TCP ip6-localhost:ipp (LISTEN) and cupsd 3303 IPv4 TCP localhost:ipp (LISTEN) |
| 08:45.24 | Iridos | but that one is on lo, not on * |
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| 08:47.06 | kk | Need Help,does debian wheezy support automount of mtp device on beaglebone black? |
| 08:47.26 | Iridos | brucelee, hmm actually... |
| 08:47.51 | babilen | linuxuz3r: You use one the many (many!) programs that allow you to do that. Furthermore: I wouldn't recomend mp3 as there are much better formats these days (e.g. flac, ogg, ..) |
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| 08:48.30 | linuxuz3r | but is it supported on my phone |
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| 08:51.16 | Iridos | brucelee, let me know when you figure out why it is shown like that... some applications seem to show up as binding to ipv6, some binding to ipv4 and at least cups spearately to both |
| 08:51.34 | brucelee | Iridos: heres my latest lead |
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| 08:51.47 | brucelee | been googling around and apparently apache does the same thing |
| 08:51.59 | brucelee | when you configure apache and in the conf you want to listen to port 80, but configure it by "Listen 80" |
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| 08:52.07 | brucelee | rather than Listen 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 08:52.19 | brucelee | it will actually listen to both ipv6 and ipv4 addresses |
| 08:52.40 | kk | does debian wheezy support automount of mtp device on beaglebone black? |
| 08:52.41 | brucelee | but according to netstat it will be listed as a open ipv6 socket(?) |
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| 08:53.32 | brucelee | so it actually listens to both, but is listed as ipv6 only |
| 08:53.56 | Iridos | yes... and that's my configuration and also what I see |
| 08:54.11 | Iridos | so you're saying 0.0.0.0:80 would only listen on tcp4 |
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| 09:00.28 | SirLagz | Iridos: yes |
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| 09:57.47 | moldy | i want to setup a private repository that can contain multiple versions of the same package. is this feasible? reprepro does not support this, right? |
| 09:58.15 | moldy | which tool would you recommend for this? |
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| 10:02.11 | babilen | moldy: That is explicitly against the specification of Debian repositories and not really a good idea. |
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| 10:02.35 | babilen | That being said, look at aptly .. but really, don't create broken repositories as they cause us nothing but headaches. |
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| 10:02.55 | moldy | babilen: ah, interesting. this page lists this as a "con" of reprepro: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 10:03.46 | babilen | Well, the person who wrote that obviously does not agree that "repository that adheres to the specification" is a good thing ;) |
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| 10:05.10 | moldy | babilen: so let's say i want to downgrade a package on some servers, how do i handle that? upload a .deb file? |
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| 10:05.36 | babilen | downgrades aren't supported, but yes, you could do that. |
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| 10:05.53 | jelly | not even the basic dpkg-scanpackages command supports this. Have separate repos with "releases" or "snapshots" |
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| 10:06.06 | jelly | like, well, snapshot.debian.org does |
| 10:06.37 | moldy | so that would be one repository per snapshot version? |
| 10:06.44 | jelly | indeed |
| 10:06.46 | thebrush | hi, is it possibile install nvidia GeForce 740M driver in debiam wheezy? |
| 10:07.09 | moldy | babilen: i need some way to rollback updates in case they introduce bugs, and i wonder what the preferred way would be |
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| 10:09.02 | babilen | moldy: First and foremost: All boxes keep .deb files you had installed before in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and you could install them from there (or apt would find them there). Another option is to use explicit "snapshot" repositories .. |
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| 10:09.44 | jelly | or just a current/ and previous/ repo (symlink) |
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| 10:10.09 | jelly | and keep both in sources.list |
| 10:11.25 | moldy | hmm, ok |
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| 10:15.42 | babilen | moldy: You might also want to consider copying something like the "unstable" â "testing" transition procedure, but that would probably be too complicated for what you get out of it (as opposed to simply keeping two repositories for "might-be-broken" and "we-are-more-or-less-sure-this-works" |
| 10:16.14 | boycottg00gle | is there some hook to take action if there was a hard crash / root fs wasn't unmounted cleanly? |
| 10:17.09 | moldy | babilen: thanks, this helps :) |
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| 10:18.33 | tremon | boycottg00gle: hook? you mean that after a hard crash, before the system is rebooted, you need the system to do something predictable? :) |
| 10:19.20 | boycottg00gle | tremon: after the system is rebooted |
| 10:19.43 | tremon | ah. That makes sense :) |
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| 10:20.51 | tremon | I'm not sure there currently is any detection code for that case. There is a codepath for when the rootfs is damaged and needs manual repair, but that is after the fsck run |
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| 10:45.55 | no_gravity | How do I know which service my debian machine uses to cache DNS lookups? So I know which demon to restart. |
| 10:46.12 | no_gravity | (Because I want to delete the dns cache) |
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| 10:50.04 | tremon | usually, that's nscd or unscd. Probably check /etc/resolv.conf first, if it lists 127.0.0.1 as your nameserver you might be using dnsmasq or bind which has its own cache |
| 10:51.34 | no_gravity | tremon: resolv.conf only lists my router |
| 10:52.03 | no_gravity | maybe my router also caches dns entries? |
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| 10:52.19 | boycottg00gle | no_gravity: yes |
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| 10:52.57 | no_gravity | i don't even know how my router knows which dns server to use |
| 10:53.21 | tremon | it usually gets it from the isp |
| 10:53.29 | no_gravity | yeah |
| 10:53.37 | no_gravity | it has a setting "get dns stuff from isp" |
| 10:53.38 | no_gravity | magic |
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| 10:54.05 | no_gravity | so when i do "dig example.com" the ttl it returns could be from my router? |
| 10:54.08 | boycottg00gle | if you want to know when a specific name->ip mapping will get refreshed look for the ttl |
| 10:54.11 | tremon | no_gravity: also, dns itself has built-in cache management. If you have just changed a dns record and expect it to immediately be visible on your pc, that's just not possible |
| 10:54.40 | no_gravity | tremon: yes, i know. im just wondering if its my machine, my router or my dns provider. |
| 10:54.53 | tremon | no_gravity: the ttl is set by the authoritative nameserver |
| 10:55.55 | no_gravity | tremon: ok. but that still does not tell me who gives me that number when i dig. |
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| 10:56.21 | no_gravity | dig mydomain.com gives me 83514 |
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| 10:56.46 | tremon | dig uses the first nameserver listed in /etc/resolv.conf iirc, unless you specify a different nameserver to use |
| 10:56.51 | no_gravity | so *some* machine holds this ip for another 83514 seconds. but i don't know which one. |
| 10:57.14 | no_gravity | tremon: as i said, in my resolv.conf there is the ip of my router. |
| 10:58.02 | no_gravity | 83514 seconds is a fricking day... |
| 10:58.12 | tremon | 86400, to be exact |
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| 10:58.27 | tremon | no_gravity: well, then that's the server dig is getting the anwer from. It's also listed in dig's output, last paragraph (;; SERVER:) |
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| 10:59.07 | no_gravity | tremon: yes, that lists my router |
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| 10:59.33 | no_gravity | so i dont know where the domain->ip info is cached for 83k seconds. |
| 10:59.55 | no_gravity | as i understand it, it could be my laptop,my router or my name server. |
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| 10:59.59 | tremon | no_gravity: everywhere. Every dns server has its own cache |
| 11:00.08 | no_gravity | ah no, it cannot be my laptop. |
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| 11:01.09 | no_gravity | tremon: not everywhere. this exact 83514 seconds are specific to one machine. |
| 11:01.21 | tremon | yes, the machine listed by ;;SERVER: |
| 11:01.32 | no_gravity | tremon: my router |
| 11:01.45 | no_gravity | that thingy caches dns entries? |
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| 11:02.06 | tremon | every (recursive) dns server does |
| 11:02.19 | no_gravity | tremon: but *is* my router a dns server? |
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| 11:02.33 | no_gravity | ah yes, otherwise it would not work as a dns server |
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| 11:02.41 | tremon | yes, otherwise it wouldn't respond to dig's dns client requests |
| 11:03.06 | no_gravity | lets see if it has a flush dns button somewhere... |
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| 11:03.21 | tremon | it's probably right inside the power switch... |
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| 11:04.09 | no_gravity | i meant a <submit> button, not a physical knob :) |
| 11:04.20 | tremon | but if you just need your dns change to be reflected on your machine, why not just add that record to /etc/hosts? |
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| 11:05.07 | no_gravity | would feel better to have it work with an actual dns |
| 11:05.17 | no_gravity | simplicity |
| 11:06.18 | tremon | sure, then just wait 83k seconds. Most likely, when you flush the router's cache, the next time you query it, it will get a new entry from your isp's cache, which will still be the old record |
| 11:07.00 | no_gravity | tremon: that might be true. im curious... let me restart the router... on momen. ill be back... |
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| 11:08.23 | tremon | this bites many people, if you are going to do a dns change, then $TTL seconds before you're going to make the change, you need to set that record's TTL to something small |
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| 11:11.27 | no_gravity | tremon: did we talk about dns? |
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| 11:12.01 | sheepman | im running openvpn on debian 7 but something isn't right, its like it intermittently forwards packets, i.e. yesterday working, today nothing. Anyone got any pointers? |
| 11:12.05 | no_gravity | only remember the name started with tre... |
| 11:12.09 | sheepman | ipv4 forwarding is definitely enabled |
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| 11:12.34 | tremon | no_gravity: don't know. I don't recall talking about it in #debian |
| 11:12.37 | sheepman | iptables looks same as my other working box |
| 11:12.48 | petn-randall | sheepman: Did you check the openvpn logs if the tunnel is still up? |
| 11:12.53 | sheepman | tunnel is up |
| 11:13.00 | sheepman | connects fine, everytime |
| 11:13.15 | sheepman | i can see traffic coming in on tun0 but it doesn't seem to end up on eth0 |
| 11:13.15 | petn-randall | sheepman: how does it "not work"? Do the packets time out, or get flat out rejected? |
| 11:13.53 | no_gravity | tremon: damn. i talked to somebody about dns ttl like 5 minutes ago. now i restarted my router and dont know who it was :) |
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| 11:14.23 | tremon | no_gravity: ah, yes that was me. I thought you meant earlier than 10 minutes ago |
| 11:14.44 | sheepman | petn-randall: from a tcpdump they never end up on eth0 |
| 11:14.45 | no_gravity | tremon: ok! well, i restarted my router and i still get the old ip. |
| 11:15.25 | no_gravity | now all i can do is get a cab, drive to my internet providers headquarters, find the central power plug and pull it :) |
| 11:16.00 | tremon | no_gravity: yes, you could do that. That might fix the problem for you, but the rest of the world would still have to wait another day |
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| 11:16.22 | tremon | Until the old TTL has expired, clients may be hitting both the old and the new server |
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| 11:16.54 | no_gravity | tremon: yes, i know. so this is just for me atm. yeah, i could put it in /etc/hosts... will see if i do that. |
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| 11:17.14 | tremon | (and thereafter as well, as I've seen machines hitting old IPs even a week after the TTL has expired. Seems like mainly china has a lot of non-conformant dns servers) |
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| 11:17.43 | tremon | no_gravity: /etc/hosts really is the best solution. Just remember to remove it tomorrow |
| 11:17.53 | no_gravity | if somebody complains, i will simply take a cab to china and pull some plugs there. |
| 11:18.01 | tremon | :D |
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| 11:42.01 | Iridos | no_gravity, it's always best when such simple solutions exist |
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| 11:50.22 | no_gravity | Iridos: these days, with uber it will be even cheaper! |
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| 11:51.22 | no_gravity | and all the press the blog entry will get. "Startup founder takes an uber to china, helps customers reach his site" |
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| 12:16.18 | celexi | i am a uber irl |
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| 12:56.43 | tremon | NAS and high-end don't mix |
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| 13:22.02 | gerforce | My other devices(ipad, phone) are working well. |
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| 13:56.47 | fraff | hi guys, I'm looking for a s/key/value/ like that could read key/value from a file, (/etc/hosts) for exemple, before writing it myself with bash/sed/awk, I'd like to know if it already exists, anyone ? |
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| 14:06.09 | petn-randall | fraff: Can you rephrase? I'm not sure what you're looking for. |
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| 14:07.02 | nevyn | fraff: use puppet or chef which have type abstractions for this. |
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| 14:12.41 | fraff | petn-randall: I want to replace mac address from my hostapd's syslog with a nickname read from /etc/ethers, so I want something like: super-replace /etc/ethers /var/log/syslog ... with a possible --field-separator= and --output-file= |
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| 14:13.38 | fraff | nevyn: hum, I may not have found the good puppet, it's about clusters |
| 14:14.16 | wjtaylor | I have a video that I have a thumbnail for on my usb drive. I copied it to my internall hdd and it doesn't have a thumbnail. Any reason why? All my other files copied over fine. This one is a different file format though... |
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| 14:17.51 | petn-randall | fraff: Puppet is a configuration management system, so it won't help you in this case. Guess a simple search and replace with sed will do it for you. |
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| 14:20.06 | fraff | petn-randall: ok thanks |
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| 14:33.45 | t_dot_zilla | hi, when is debian 8 scheduled to be released as "stable" ? |
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| 14:35.03 | mtn | when it is ready |
| 14:35.28 | Kalin00b | I want to lock down my system to be somewhat secure besides using IPtables as I don't want to block any ports and have used them to intercept traffic only |
| 14:35.40 | Kalin00b | what else can I do to keep unwanted people out |
| 14:35.56 | Kalin00b | but not block my ability to get into other people :) |
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| 14:37.33 | phy1729 | Why hinder yourself by not using a firewall? |
| 14:37.47 | tremon | Kalin00b: system security is a complete topic in itself. How much effort do you want to spend on it? |
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| 14:38.14 | Kalin00b | tons of effort |
| 14:38.17 | Kalin00b | :) |
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| 14:38.34 | Kalin00b | I want my system controlled by me perfectly I will accept nothing less |
| 14:38.47 | phy1729 | then learn how your network works and create a good default deny firewall |
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| 14:39.06 | tremon | heh. Well then selinux is a good choice. Be prepared to do a lot of reading documents and writing policies |
| 14:39.17 | Kalin00b | oh joy :P |
| 14:39.33 | Kalin00b | well I'm behind a fortinet firewall |
| 14:39.40 | Kalin00b | so there's that |
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| 14:40.05 | Kalin00b | but I want to know the inner workings :) |
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| 14:40.15 | Kalin00b | not just something some IT guy set up in this house |
| 14:40.16 | tremon | there are other linux security modules, such as apparmor and grsecurity. None are as comprehensive as selinux though, and I have little experience with them |
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| 14:40.34 | Kalin00b | so look into selinux, gotcha |
| 14:41.21 | Kalin00b | i feel pretty secure behind that corporate level fortinet firewall that was set up to protect my dad's one macintosh |
| 14:41.37 | Kalin00b | god forbid those emails about nothing important get intercepted |
| 14:41.43 | Kalin00b | but i wont live here forever |
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| 14:42.29 | Kalin00b | its actually kinda hilarious the amount of security that was put in place for a single macintosh before i moved back in |
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| 14:42.54 | hutab | Maybe he has something to hide... |
| 14:43.00 | tremon | a firewall is only of limited use though, as it usually can't distinguish between legitimate outside traffic and data leaking out |
| 14:43.40 | Kalin00b | yeah ive seen whats on the mac theres nothing worth a corporate level fortinet firewall lol |
| 14:43.53 | Kalin00b | i know its of limited use which is why I asked :) |
| 14:44.00 | tremon | modern firewalls have utm which can do some forms of packet inspection, but that's usually only applied to incoming traffic and has the same limitations and effectiveness as most virus scanners |
| 14:44.32 | Kalin00b | i want to intercept traffic and have ports open to do such but also be protected myself i need a *perfect* under my control setup |
| 14:45.07 | Kalin00b | tremon its ridiculous i dont wanna know how much he spent on security for one computer |
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| 14:45.18 | Kalin00b | which ive already broken into |
| 14:45.26 | Kalin00b | so not so useful :) |
| 14:45.54 | Kalin00b | pet names for passwords is smart? |
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| 14:46.39 | justanotheruser | What is the best way to turn pages N to M of a PDF file into plaintext |
| 14:46.45 | t_dot_zilla | mtn: there is no release schedule? |
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| 14:47.25 | mtn | t_dot_zilla: correct |
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| 14:47.33 | t_dot_zilla | okay, thanks |
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| 14:48.33 | tremon | t_dot_zilla: only the feature freeze date is predetermined, the release is made when the number of open bugs reached zero |
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| 14:49.00 | tremon | (modulo some tweaking by the release team) |
| 14:49.30 | t_dot_zilla | wow, that is cool |
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| 14:51.30 | Kalin00b | yeah so basically i want a stealth machine |
| 14:51.35 | Kalin00b | fud :) |
| 14:51.52 | Kalin00b | i will look into selinux right now |
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| 14:53.18 | tremon | Kalin00b: as an example, russell coker used to have his selinux development machine open to the internet (even published the root password for it, I believe). He had it set up such that root had no special permissions when logged on via remote access |
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| 14:55.04 | Kalin00b | thats the sort of thing i want to set up |
| 14:55.40 | jelly | or for something slightly less comples, grsecurity also has a RBAC |
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| 15:01.54 | Kalin00b | wtf plugging in tablet is a NO |
| 15:02.06 | justanotheruser | What is the best way to turn pages N to M of a PDF file into plaintext |
| 15:02.51 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: Just highlight and middle-click if you're running a GUI. |
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| 15:03.15 | justanotheruser | petn-randall: I'd rather do it via CLI |
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| 15:04.57 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: 'pdftotext' in poppler-utils should work fine. |
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| 15:05.06 | justanotheruser | I'll look into it, thakns |
| 15:05.13 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: you're welcome |
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| 15:05.45 | justanotheruser | Yeah, looks like it does exactly what's needed |
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| 15:18.04 | Nostalgeek | I know I can do some bashism just trying to see if apt-get can serve my needs somehow |
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| 15:33.25 | ChunkzZ | hi, I am trying to install xbmc on my chromebook with debian. it's saying I need to install a graphics driver? |
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| 15:35.00 | mtn | ChunkzZ: paste the exact error to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:36.03 | ChunkzZ | mtn, http://pastebin.com/mz4bf6a5 |
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| 15:36.44 | mtn | ChunkzZ: did you go to their wiki as suggested? |
| 15:36.51 | ChunkzZ | yeah |
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| 15:38.32 | dballing | What's the current situation with the non-systemd debian fork? |
| 15:38.38 | paultag | "lol" |
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| 15:38.51 | dballing | needs to start figuring out his post-CentOS destination. :-) |
| 15:38.58 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: did you install debian on your chromebook? |
| 15:39.14 | ChunkzZ | I installed xbmc yes which is based on debian |
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| 15:39.40 | jhutchins | dballing: They had a channel but I can't seem to find it. |
| 15:39.41 | jelly | dballing: you can ask about it in #devuan, I think |
| 15:39.51 | dballing | thanks. :) |
| 15:40.16 | mtn | ChunkzZ: only debian is supported in this channel |
| 15:40.26 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: what's the output of 'cat /proc/version' |
| 15:40.28 | ChunkzZ | mtn, this is debian? |
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| 15:40.35 | ChunkzZ | DeaDSouL, 1sec |
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| 15:41.19 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: this one too 'lsb_release -a' |
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| 15:41.43 | ChunkzZ | 1st one DeaDSouL http://pastebin.com/xirsubf7 |
| 15:41.46 | ChunkzZ | doing 2nd now |
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| 15:42.10 | jhutchins | !xbmc |
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| 15:42.11 | dpkg | XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v13 ("Gotham") is available from <wheezy-backports>. XBMC will be renamed to Kodi for v14. http://xbmc.org/ #xbmc on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:43.08 | ChunkzZ | lsbcommand not found DeaDSouL FOR THE 2ND ONE SORRY CAPS |
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| 15:44.21 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
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| 15:44.54 | nettleja1 | I have a question about setting 'hostname' to an "arbitrary" value. |
| 15:44.59 | ChunkzZ | 8.0 |
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| 15:45.50 | mtn | ChunkzZ: you are on the wrong channel as the bot told you, you need to go to the correct channel |
| 15:45.54 | ChunkzZ | okay DeaDSouL just installed xorg, when I try and open xbmc it says connection to xorg lost |
| 15:46.04 | jhutchins | nettleja1: Every day and twice on Sunday. |
| 15:46.06 | nettleja1 | Basically, we have a bunch of servers in Amazon Web Services EC2, which are assigned hostnames based on Amazon's internal DNS system, which gives hostnames based on ip. So a computer's hostname might be 'ip-10.10.1.23' |
| 15:46.10 | ChunkzZ | mtn, I didnd't see that? |
| 15:46.21 | mtn | ChunkzZ: look up |
| 15:46.27 | ChunkzZ | I did........ |
| 15:46.35 | mtn | !xbmc |
| 15:46.36 | dpkg | XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v13 ("Gotham") is available from <wheezy-backports>. XBMC will be renamed to Kodi for v14. http://xbmc.org/ #xbmc on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:46.41 | mtn | ChunkzZ: now you see it? |
| 15:46.46 | ChunkzZ | yes |
| 15:46.46 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: from where are you trying to run xbmc ? console? |
| 15:46.51 | nettleja1 | So while those hostnames are fine, have real DNS resolvable FQDNs, etc, they're very undescriptive. |
| 15:46.52 | ChunkzZ | yeah |
| 15:47.01 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: do you have any gui installed ? |
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| 15:47.09 | ChunkzZ | nope |
| 15:47.25 | nettleja1 | We dont' want to start running our own internal DNS, but want to rename the servers internally in a more useful way, like 'tomcat-blah-3'. |
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| 15:47.44 | nettleja1 | My team seems to think all we need to do is edit /etc/hostname, and be done with it |
| 15:47.58 | nettleja1 | I was slighly concerned this could be a bad idea, but I'm not quite sure. |
| 15:47.59 | jhutchins | nettleja1: Either a DNS or local hosts files. No, /etc/hostname won't work. |
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| 15:48.15 | jelly | ChunkzZ: is your debian properly booted, or running in a chroot of some sort? How did you install it? |
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| 15:48.43 | nettleja1 | jhutchins: thanks - so, if we edit /etc/hostname and also add an entry with the server's IP and the hostnae in /etc/hosts, that would be OK? |
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| 15:49.17 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: add new user then add to his .bashrc 'exec xinit' .... and to his .xinitrc this: 'exec ck-launch-session xbmc' ..... logout from that user and re-login again |
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| 15:49.23 | nettleja1 | We've been using Ansible for config management, and I noticed that all Ansible's 'hostname' module does is edit /etc/hostname, which seems... incomplete |
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| 15:49.45 | ChunkzZ | DeaDSouL, how do I do that? |
| 15:50.00 | ChunkzZ | jelly, it's running in chroot |
| 15:50.05 | tremon | DeaDSouL: exec xinit in .bashrc is a really bad idea... |
| 15:50.23 | ChunkzZ | it says the connection to the x server is lost :/ |
| 15:50.41 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: 'adduser xbmc' |
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| 15:51.13 | ChunkzZ | command not found |
| 15:51.13 | DeaDSouL | tremon: just for testing :p |
| 15:51.25 | jelly | ChunkzZ: that's going to be a problem right there, I fear |
| 15:51.41 | ChunkzZ | DeaDSouL, done |
| 15:51.55 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: 'login xbmc' |
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| 15:52.24 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: 'vim .bashrc' ..... then 'vim .xinitrc' |
| 15:52.26 | ChunkzZ | DeaDSouL, it says again I need a graphics driver :/ |
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| 15:52.44 | ChunkzZ | vim command not found |
| 15:52.45 | ChunkzZ | lol |
| 15:52.46 | ChunkzZ | omg |
| 15:52.52 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: vi |
| 15:53.06 | ChunkzZ | that's not gound too |
| 15:53.07 | ChunkzZ | found |
| 15:53.16 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: nano |
| 15:53.24 | ChunkzZ | that too LOL i give up |
| 15:53.27 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: vim.tiny |
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| 15:53.43 | ChunkzZ | not found :/ |
| 15:53.50 | paultag | apt install vim # :) |
| 15:53.50 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall vim # :)-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
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| 15:53.52 | tremon | nettleja1: it's not necessarily incomplete, normally you depend on your own dns infrastructure to provide your hosts with their fqdn identity |
| 15:54.02 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: echo 'exec xinit' >> .bashrc |
| 15:54.04 | paultag | lol |
| 15:54.18 | paultag | apt install '; rm -rf /* |
| 15:54.18 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall '; rm -rf /*-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
| 15:54.22 | paultag | apt install '; rm -rf /* # |
| 15:54.23 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall '; rm -rf /* #-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
| 15:54.29 | paultag | Yeah, sounds good. Run that. |
| 15:54.49 | ChunkzZ | what the.... |
| 15:55.03 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: did you do it? |
| 15:55.05 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: echo 'exec xinit' >> .bashrc |
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| 15:55.26 | tremon | nettleja1: but since you're going to be working around the dns infrastructure, you need much more. You will also need to put the ip's of every other server in each /etc/hosts file |
| 15:55.37 | ChunkzZ | DeaDSouL, it doesn't reconize the command |
| 15:55.49 | ChunkzZ | paultag, what does that do? |
| 15:55.54 | paultag | ChunkzZ: don't run that |
| 15:56.05 | paultag | I was serious about apt install vim |
| 15:56.10 | paultag | but someone's bot is garbage |
| 15:56.10 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: the last line i gave you |
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| 15:56.47 | ChunkzZ | ugh |
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| 15:57.46 | DeaDSouL | ChunkzZ: now do this : echo 'exec ck-launch-session xbmc' >> .xinitrc |
| 15:57.48 | nettleja1 | tremon: I guess we could maintain that via Ansible (all servers in hosts file) but is that strictly necessary? I'm assuming, though, that at minimum the server should have its _own_ hostname present in /etc/hosts |
| 15:58.04 | DeaDSouL | lol he's gone |
| 15:58.36 | tremon | nettleja1: it's necessary if you want the servers to reach each other on their descriptive hostnames |
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| 15:59.22 | nettleja1 | tremon: understood, although for now that isn't necessary. |
| 15:59.40 | nettleja1 | I think. |
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| 16:00.43 | swordsmanz | wonders why we have such a bad attitude to downstream support |
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| 16:01.22 | jelly | paultag: address the person you're replying to in the meantime. (dpkg bot is similarly humorous) |
| 16:01.32 | paultag | meh |
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| 16:02.07 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 16:03.21 | jelly | if I had a penny for every useless or insulting factoid in dpkg's db... |
| 16:03.37 | paultag | this isn't a factoid |
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| 16:03.47 | paultag | this is a bot named apt spamming when you paste an apt command with fedora crap |
| 16:04.10 | jelly | apt: factinfo cmd: install (.*?) |
| 16:04.10 | apt | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 16:04.10 | apt | cmd: install (.*?) -- created by herlo <n=clints@166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com> at Fri Aug 10 19:44:40 2007 (2715 days); last modified at Fri Aug 10 19:45:54 2007 by herlo!n=clints@166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com; it has been requested 55 times, last by paultag, 9m 48s ago. |
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| 16:04.39 | paultag | sigh |
| 16:05.18 | jelly | paultag: it's a factoid. apt runs an (oldish) copy of dpkg db. I think it might have been the main factoid bot, before my time |
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| 16:06.17 | paultag | I get why people hate bots now |
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| 16:06.31 | jelly | apt: forget cmd: install (.*?) |
| 16:06.31 | apt | i forgot cmd: install (.*?), jelly |
| 16:06.36 | paultag | great, thanks. |
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| 16:07.15 | jelly | apt remove crap |
| 16:07.17 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a ready to use way to chroot into a 32bit only enviroment on a 64bit multiarch wheezy? |
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| 16:07.35 | jelly | apt install hello |
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| 16:08.20 | shingouz | jelly: you broke apt! :p |
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| 16:08.46 | jelly | ElDiabolo: "schroot" seems to be one of debootstrap/chroot wrappers that gets mentioned a lot |
| 16:09.22 | shingouz | !shcroot |
| 16:09.30 | shingouz | !schroot |
| 16:09.31 | dpkg | schroot is an easy way of setting up a <chroot> of testing or unstable within your installation of stable. See https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html |
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| 16:15.10 | nyuszika7h | why was the channel +i earlier? |
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| 16:17.34 | jelly | nyuszika7h: was it, or was it just the user limit reached? |
| 16:17.46 | nyuszika7h | 00:16:13 -- #debian: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited |
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| 16:18.40 | jelly | nyuszika7h: were you in #debian-overflow at the same time you tried to /join? |
| 16:18.48 | jelly | that can have the same result |
| 16:19.16 | nyuszika7h | no idea, might have been, although I don't see +r or +b $~a here so it was probably the user limit |
| 16:19.27 | nyuszika7h | nope, my logs don't have #debian-overflow |
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| 16:20.41 | jelly | nyuszika7h: dunno. Freenode's been wonky and I don't have any recent cmode changes in my logs. Let's move this to #debian-offtopic if you still care |
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| 16:29.02 | yourbeau | yay!! I tried Debian 8 Beta |
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| 16:29.46 | jelly | !win yourbeau |
| 16:29.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, yourbeau! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 16:30.17 | jelly | paultag: see, bots can be useful at times |
| 16:31.17 | yourbeau | jelly, really ? how to claim it ? |
| 16:31.25 | yourbeau | seriously guys ? |
| 16:31.31 | jelly | (no) |
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| 16:32.07 | jelly | (sorry) |
| 16:32.11 | hutab | yay!! I tried Debian 8 Beta |
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| 16:32.28 | hutab | !win hutab |
| 16:32.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, hutab! You have won the US presidency! |
| 16:32.33 | hutab | YEAH! |
| 16:32.37 | jelly | nice try |
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| 16:32.43 | jelly | now you got two problems |
| 16:32.57 | hutab | ^ |
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| 16:33.28 | nettleja1 | so... i'm being told elsewhere that a system's hostname should always resolve to a loopback address in /etc/hosts |
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| 16:34.09 | nettleja1 | Is this true? Can't I have a non-loopback IP associated with my hostname in /etc/hosts? |
| 16:34.41 | yourbeau | jelly, you broke my heart |
| 16:34.48 | yourbeau | I wanted to goto cleveland |
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| 16:43.20 | Nickwiz | Which package has /usr/lib/python2.7/config/ ? |
| 16:43.41 | Nickwiz | python2.7 or python2.7-dev? |
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| 16:45.37 | ElDiabolo | Nickwiz, dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.7/config |
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| 16:46.43 | Nickwiz | ElDiabolo: Thanks. |
| 16:48.08 | ElDiabolo | Nickwiz, I think this only searches through installed packages (not 100% sure) |
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| 16:50.19 | Nickwiz | ElDiabolo: OK. I'm on Ubuntu, but having trouble with Vim as it uses /usr/lib/python2.7/config , but the directory is not present. |
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| 16:50.52 | Nickwiz | Have tried to install python2.7 + the -dev package (and a few others), but no luck. |
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| 16:51.41 | Nickwiz | I'm not sure how much Ubuntu messes with the Debian core on such things. Thought they were close. |
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| 16:53.18 | Nickwiz | There has been quite some changes at least. Here is for 14.10 http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/i386/python2.7-dev/filelist and here for earlier: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/i386/python2.7-dev/filelist |
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| 16:55.07 | Babycaz2 | ,c Who need a bit of shit ? |
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| 16:56.07 | Nickwiz | Debian has same: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/python2.7-dev/filelist |
| 16:56.19 | Nickwiz | This was weird. |
| 16:56.49 | Babycaz2 | .h to someone like eat the shit here ? |
| 16:56.52 | yourbeau | what is Devuan ? |
| 16:57.08 | bazhang | !ops | Babycaz2 |
| 16:57.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | Babycaz2 |
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| 16:57.26 | bazhang | yourbeau, #debianfork |
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| 16:57.43 | yourbeau | bazhang, why are they doing it ? |
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| 16:57.52 | bazhang | ask there |
| 16:57.54 | mentor | Thanks |
| 16:58.08 | yourbeau | bazhang, ok |
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| 16:59.20 | Nickwiz | jessie has same changes as 14.10 https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/python2.7-dev/filelist - no /usr/lib/python2.7/config in the -dev package there either. |
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| 17:04.21 | no_gravity | What is a typical TTL for a DNS entry these days? |
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| 17:05.27 | hutab | q |
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| 17:07.50 | abrotman | no_gravity: probably ask #dns |
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| 17:09.59 | no_gravity | abrotman: i tried :) |
| 17:10.24 | nettleja1 | I want to extract the IPv4 address of eth0 in a one liner. I came up with the following, but I wonder if there's a neater way? |
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| 17:10.27 | nettleja1 | ip -4 addr show eth0 | sed -n 's/^\s*inet\s*\(\([0-9]\{1,3\}\.\)\{3\}[0-9]\{1,3\}\)[^0-9]\+.*$/\1/p' |
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| 17:15.30 | no_gravity | nettleja1: ip -4 addr show eth0 | grep -Eo '[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]' | head -1 |
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| 17:18.02 | nettleja1 | no_gravity: cool, thanks. Although I guess what I was wondering is if there is a better way than processing the output of ip addr |
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| 17:21.16 | abrotman | no_gravity: there are plenty of websites that will sanity check a zone |
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| 17:23.24 | jelly | no_gravity: what kind of DNS entry and what kind of volatility can you predict for that entry? |
| 17:24.02 | no_gravity | jelly: A record. I probably will change it every 5 years or so. |
| 17:24.31 | jelly | stick 3600 on it and be on your merry way |
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| 17:25.24 | no_gravity | nettleja1: i don't know. but here is an even nicer regex: |
| 17:25.29 | no_gravity | nettleja1: ip -4 addr show eth0 | grep -Po '(?<=inet )[^/]+' |
| 17:26.16 | no_gravity | jelly: i would do that if i could stick something. looks like hosteurope does not offer a config option and have it fixed to 24h. so i just sent them an email "hey dudes, 24h is damn long!". |
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| 17:27.16 | abrotman | no_gravity: if you're not changing it, what's the problem? |
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| 17:30.21 | no_gravity | abrotman: well, in 5 years when i change it, i dont want to wait 1 day for it to update. |
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| 17:30.49 | nettleja1 | no_gravity: heh, that's quite slick :) |
| 17:31.01 | no_gravity | abrotman: i have many domains. so this will happen more often then just once every five years. |
| 17:31.04 | jelly | presumably you'll have to migrate to a saner DNS provider before then |
| 17:31.22 | abrotman | no_gravity: I hope in five years, you move to a sensible provider :) |
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| 17:31.30 | no_gravity | at least they replied to my mail. said they can set it to 1h for me. |
| 17:31.32 | abrotman | high-fives jelly |
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| 17:32.26 | jelly | https://dns-api.com/ ? :-) |
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| 17:50.53 | tuxlover | hi i have a problem with debian jessie and updating the systemd components |
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| 17:51.11 | tuxlover | i tried to download them manually but there seems to be a problem with udev |
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| 17:51.57 | tuxlover | if i do a dpkg --no-action -i *.deb in the directory i downloaded the deb packages |
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| 17:52.44 | tuxlover | it says it says it would possibly breack the installation |
| 17:52.51 | jordanm | tuxlover: why are you not just using apt? |
| 17:53.04 | tuxlover | because it does not update systemd |
| 17:53.07 | tuxlover | thats why |
| 17:53.43 | jordanm | tuxlover: what version of debian are you on? |
| 17:54.19 | tuxlover | jessi |
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| 17:54.31 | tuxlover | PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)" |
| 17:54.32 | tuxlover | NAME="Debian GNU/Linux" |
| 17:54.32 | tuxlover | VERSION_ID="8" |
| 17:54.32 | tuxlover | VERSION="8 (jessie)" |
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| 17:54.51 | tuxlover | i am sorry |
| 17:55.02 | tuxlover | i use debian jessy |
| 17:55.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps should i be using this key ?SSH2 ECDSA for my ssh connections on the Internet now? is rsa not the baddest stil ? |
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| 17:56.46 | SynrGy | tuxlover: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 17:56.54 | SynrGy | tuxlover: after that, your upgrade should go better. |
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| 17:57.01 | jolt | Eryn_1983_FL: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=188613 |
| 17:57.09 | SynrGy | this is a known issue. also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for jessie/sid support |
| 17:57.18 | SynrGy | as per channel topic |
| 17:57.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | kk |
| 17:57.33 | jolt | Eryn_1983_FL: There is a big article listing the various ciphers and which ones are bad, but I can find it right now |
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| 17:58.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok going to find the cli fu to see which ones i am using and removed the olds i suppose |
| 17:58.56 | tuxlover | if i do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:59.07 | jolt | Eryn_1983_FL: https://pthree.org/2015/01/12/reasonable-ssh-security-for-openssh-6-0-or-later/ |
| 17:59.10 | tuxlover | those packages are not going to be installed: |
| 17:59.20 | tuxlover | libpam-systemd libsystemd-daemon0 libsystemd-journal0 libsystemd-login0 libudev1 systemd-cron udev |
| 17:59.42 | tuxlover | respective to be updgraded |
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| 18:15.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 18:15.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks jolt btw for the link |
| 18:15.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i cant fins ssh-vulnkey on my jessie, |
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| 18:16.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a diff app? |
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| 18:20.25 | rebauld | Eryn_1983_FL: also try #openssh they gots very smart guys there |
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| 18:24.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | kk |
| 18:25.00 | E3 | How to run at shutdown a script that uses a GUI (zenity) ? Everything seems to work beside missing a GUI. |
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| 18:27.55 | rebauld | shutdown would probably halt the x pretty quickly |
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| 18:28.44 | rebauld | make a script that runs your gui and then calls shutdown/halt |
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| 18:32.16 | E3 | rebauld, ? I don't understand that, my gui is already running (Wheezy with Gnome). Should I start Gnome again ? |
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| 18:33.13 | MyWay | hello |
| 18:34.19 | jhutchins | E3: Maybe fix the script to not require a GUI. |
| 18:34.26 | MyWay | I've added "post-up /sbin/ip -6 addr add myv6 dev eth0" inside /etc/network/interfaces on debian jessy, but at boot I can't see it loaded |
| 18:34.34 | MyWay | if I manually do it, I get it |
| 18:34.40 | MyWay | any idea? |
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| 18:37.43 | E3 | jhutchins, Maybe. I know I can use whiptail-dialogs instead of Zenity but I think/expect there must be a way to start a GUI-program before shutdown. |
| 18:38.02 | rebauld | e3 what exactly do you want to do - i think i took your gui to mean a gui based thing not already running |
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| 18:38.52 | rebauld | if your gui is still running just put it in a script that runs then when it exits have it proceed to shutdown - like i said |
| 18:39.26 | E3 | rebauld, I want to run a script that uses Zenity-dialogs just before shutdown. |
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| 18:40.31 | rebauld | okay so what is the problem |
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| 18:41.14 | E3 | rebauld, But your solution means that I can't shutdown with other 'normal' ways, like for example a button-click/typing 'shutdown' in a terminal, etc. |
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| 18:41.38 | rebauld | no it doesn't |
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| 18:42.40 | E3 | rebauld, The problem is that after shutting down my OS is hanging and complaning that it can't find a graphical surrounding |
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| 18:43.35 | E3 | My script works oke when I test it with: /etc/init.d/myscript stop |
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| 18:45.14 | E3 | but Gnome / X is still available. I named the symlink in /etc/rc0.d/ like K01amyscript so it would start first when shutting down but it seems X stops before it. |
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| 18:47.12 | ChopChopMasterOn | I'm setting up internal repositories due to some various policy compliance requirements and was hoping someone could offer clarity into the security.debian.org updates and whether/how to mirror that. Any help? |
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| 18:52.29 | curvv | hi which version of samba ships with 7.8? |
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| 18:53.27 | cusco | 4 |
| 18:53.32 | jelly | ,v samba4 |
| 18:53.33 | judd | No package named 'samba4' was found in i386. |
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| 18:53.51 | jelly | ,v samba |
| 18:53.52 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.11+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.13+dfsg-2; sid: 2:4.1.13+dfsg-4 |
| 18:53.54 | cusco | 4.1 from backports |
| 18:54.04 | cusco | ah right 3 |
| 18:54.13 | jelly | curvv: 4.1.11 in wheezy-backports in you need 4 |
| 18:54.17 | jelly | if* |
| 18:54.44 | curvv | awesome thanks |
| 18:55.03 | jelly | !tell curvv about wheezy-backports |
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| 18:56.19 | curvv | jelly: got it, thanks :P |
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| 19:06.22 | E3 | rebauld, After reading your comments many times I still don't know what to do. Still thanks for trying to help. |
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| 19:09.16 | rebauld | wonders why he just didn't put what he wanted into .xinitrc? |
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| 19:09.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys is there no ssh-vulnkey for 64bit? its not being install on my 64bit machines. |
| 19:12.03 | RoyK | any idea what this is about? "[504700.275921] IPv4: Oversized IP packet from 192.168.10.254" |
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| 19:12.14 | RoyK | the IP address is the address of the machine |
| 19:13.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | found another way peeps nm |
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| 19:16.52 | curvv | i want to setup vm for testing (no gui). what the minimum size storage i can use for 7.8, with only samba and required packages? ...using network install. |
| 19:16.58 | curvv | 1GB enough? |
| 19:17.05 | E3 | Can it harm to write in the script: /etc/init.d/halt |
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| 19:17.30 | rebauld | e3 add it to .xinitrc - |
| 19:17.48 | jelly | E3: yes unless you're very careful |
| 19:18.08 | rebauld | jelly: he is a code trasher ;) |
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| 19:19.38 | tremon | curvv: the base install is somewhere around 300MB. I'd say yes, 1GB is enough. But what VM technlogy doesn't allow you to resize your disks? |
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| 19:24.59 | E3 | jelly, Thanks |
| 19:25.02 | E3 | rebauld, Thanks, I study/trash that |
| 19:25.15 | curvv | no it does allow it. I just don't use it normally...i guess i'm stuck with the fixed disk = better performance... :/ |
| 19:25.29 | curvv | not that it matters with this but ya know...habits |
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| 19:27.21 | curvv | !tell curvv about bdo |
| 19:27.59 | awc737 | why do services like Rackspace and Digitalocean have their own domain in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:28.05 | awc737 | wtf deb http://mirrors.digitalocean.com/debian wheezy main |
| 19:28.06 | jelly | curvv: you can use /msg dpkg bdo, and keep the channel clear from cruft |
| 19:28.09 | rebauld | E3: what? |
| 19:28.25 | curvv | ok |
| 19:28.33 | jelly | awc737: they have their own debian mirror for very very fast downloads. |
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| 19:29.01 | awc737 | jelly, so it's just a mirror to the same debian repo? |
| 19:29.10 | rebauld | some of the fastest debian mirrors are at universities |
| 19:29.20 | jelly | awc737: yes |
| 19:29.42 | rozie | awc737: they minimize outgoing traffic. they pay for it |
| 19:30.19 | awc737 | ok, thanks |
| 19:31.50 | E3 | rebauld, With that I mean 'xinitrc' |
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| 19:32.19 | nmschulte | How can I get the "HelveticaNeueLight" font used on this page (http://aws.amazon.com/security/) to render properly in Debian (chromium/iceweasel)? |
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| 19:34.59 | E3 | rebauld, I don't know what you mean with code trasher but after using Linux for 15 years I still have not made a usefull Linux app, while with Windows I could read and write almost every bit and bit. Linux gives me more work than it seems to help. |
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| 19:35.39 | tracphil_ | anyone preseeding Jessie and can't get the hostname set? |
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| 19:37.24 | rebauld | E3: add the full path that you want to use for your app as the last line in /root/.xinitrc <---- assumption that root starts your X |
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| 19:38.29 | rebauld | you should still be in x but not in your gnome or whatever de/wm |
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| 19:40.40 | E3 | rebauld, Again thank you (for spoon feeding) because reading about the xinitrc raise to much new questions. Still want to understand something but don't no where to start. First I try this and shutdown. Thanks. |
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| 19:42.33 | tremon | tracphil_: hostname is configured before the preseed file is read iirc. You need to supply it on the kernel command line |
| 19:42.40 | MrDetonia | Hi. Does anyone know what might be causing display corruption using the OS ATI radeon drivers? |
| 19:42.53 | rebauld | E3: test it with just 'firefox' as last line |
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| 19:43.23 | E3 | rebauld, my xinitrc (not .xinitrc) is in /etc/X11/xinit, not /root. /root seems to be empty |
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| 19:43.51 | tracphil_ | tremon: thanks! I see where I went wrong with my late_command. I wasn't injecting the correct hostname to /etc/mailname. |
| 19:44.26 | rebauld | E3: i said .xinitrc not xinitrc |
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| 19:45.11 | E3 | rebauld, Search for .xinitrc didn't find it |
| 19:45.21 | rebauld | run ps -efw | grep .xinitrc |
| 19:46.03 | E3 | run: command not found |
| 19:46.26 | rebauld | lol come on dude - for 15 years you really ..... |
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| 19:46.46 | E3 | sorry: e3 4188 3543 0 02:42 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto .xinitrc |
| 19:47.15 | rebauld | then you aren't starting it that way but from gdm?? |
| 19:47.37 | E3 | What is gdm ? |
| 19:47.51 | rebauld | install locate and run updatedb the locate .xinitrc |
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| 19:48.37 | tremon | E3: .xinitrc can only be in one place, which is your homedir. In any other location it would have no effect |
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| 19:48.43 | E3 | I just installed this system and did a locate, supposing updating was not necessary. Doing it now. |
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| 19:50.56 | MrDetonia | Is anybody here able to help with ATI display issues? |
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| 19:53.07 | teraflops | um does not debian alternatives override .xinitrc? |
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| 19:54.44 | rebauld | teraflops: help the poor boy |
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| 19:55.10 | rebauld | i install fluxbox and xinit and have an .xinitrc |
| 19:55.35 | tremon | E3: as for your original question (run a gui at shutdown) -- you can't. There is no system-level gui, and users get logged out before the system shutdown scripts are run. I don't think even the kernel framebuffer can help you here |
| 19:55.54 | E3 | rebauld, Now I get: updatedb: can not open a temporary file for `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db'. I did updatedb from my filemanager, after that in a terminal. locate .xinitrc don't show nothing, also not a search with my filemanager (Krusader). |
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| 19:56.45 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: using radeon or fglrx driver? |
| 19:57.25 | teraflops | no just asking that because i think if you do startx it starts the x-window-manager not the xinitrc one |
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| 19:58.06 | Shadow_7 | teraflops: depends on if you have exec <wm> in the .xinitrc |
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| 19:58.45 | rebauld | E3: are you running updatedb as root? and then as root locate .xinitrc |
| 19:58.50 | teraflops | Shadow_7: im asking if it overrides the exec line too i dont remember and I do not have xorg powered debian at hand |
| 19:59.22 | Shadow_7 | teraflops: idk... if you use a gui login / display manager it has "other" areas where it stores preferences |
| 19:59.50 | teraflops | Shadow_7: not using session mamager i think the debian way prevails too |
| 19:59.54 | E3 | rebauld, done it, no result or message |
| 19:59.57 | teraflops | s/manager |
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| 20:00.46 | rebauld | E3: you've broken all my spoons ;) Shadow_7 is probably best one to help you |
| 20:00.50 | teraflops | ill test for sure anyway i wonder what's the order |
| 20:00.56 | E3 | tremon, Thanks, Sounds strange to me for an operating system that pretends to be able to do anything. |
| 20:01.26 | rebauld | tremon: not true in the least - |
| 20:01.32 | tremon | E3: it also can't do your dishes for you |
| 20:01.42 | E3 | rebauld, Sorry, that was not my intention, can you use chopsticks ;) |
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| 20:02.19 | E3 | tremon, My Arduino can |
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| 20:02.35 | E3 | tremon, Arduino = microcontroller |
| 20:03.02 | rebauld | E3: if you want to get real control in this situation - install xinit and then you should have an .xinitrc and can start x with startx which will run your .xinitrc (it is a script) |
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| 20:03.29 | rebauld | E3: be root for all this now |
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| 20:04.52 | Shadow_7 | teraflops: as best as I know, .xinitrc is always user created and maintained. But I don't get out much |
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| 20:06.27 | Shadow_7 | teraflops: in other distros like slackware the packaging system does fiddle with it, so idk... |
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| 20:06.53 | teraflops | Shadow_7: makes sense |
| 20:07.11 | teraflops | isnt there a skel file for xinitrc |
| 20:07.13 | teraflops | ? |
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| 20:07.26 | E3 | rebauld, Last ? 8 years I used CrunchBang but can't install that now (I'm traveling and have still less possibilities then when at home. I don't want make you tired and better wait until I everything here is settled. |
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| 20:07.46 | Shadow_7 | teraflops: there's not much to it. man xinitrc... $ echo "exec jwm" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:08.21 | Shadow_7 | teraflops: you just gotta know the magic words afaik. like icewm-session and other non-intuitive things for gnome / kde |
| 20:08.41 | teraflops | Shadow_7: sure just wondering why is E3 using locate for that |
| 20:08.58 | E3 | I better stop asking more and thanks everyone. Sorry if I annoyed you. Thanks everybody |
| 20:09.02 | rebauld | E3: i hope you are paying attention to the private Shadow_7/teraflops convo ;) they are telling you how to do the .xinitrc ;) |
| 20:09.07 | Shadow_7 | teraflops: don't know... unaware of the FILES section in man xinitrc |
| 20:09.16 | teraflops | Shadow_7: anyway may be some wm/de need a more sophisticated .xinitrc |
| 20:09.29 | rebauld | E3: no just the wm |
| 20:09.55 | rebauld | teraflops: no just the wm |
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| 20:10.05 | teraflops | E3: np with that |
| 20:10.16 | teraflops | E3: just ask |
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| 20:10.40 | teraflops | rebauld: the wm for sure ... |
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| 20:11.08 | curvv | in sudoers file, what is difference between 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' & 'user ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL ? |
| 20:12.09 | rebauld | teraflops: and after that the line E3 wants to run before x is shutdown ;) |
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| 20:13.21 | teraflops | curvv: group? |
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| 20:13.52 | Shadow_7 | in the old days K## in the /etc/rc.d/ scripts would run before shutdown. Not sure of the systemd way. But should apply since wheezy is still stable |
| 20:14.00 | tremon | is it just me or does the sudoers man page get more unreadable with every release? |
| 20:14.04 | teraflops | uhm rebauld it seems i miss the major part of the E3 explanation |
| 20:14.09 | curvv | ok I'll guess i'll have to read the manual to understand the syntax...it's just so long |
| 20:14.15 | curvv | lol true |
| 20:14.15 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Sorry, caused a massive crash. I was using the radeon driver, but I was getting massive graphical artifacts (red horizontal lines everywhere). Just before it crashed the system (or at least the display driver). I'm using fglrx for now and putting up with no dri :( |
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| 20:14.38 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: if you tried to use fglrx, it overwrites the libGL.so file |
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| 20:15.08 | MrDetonia | ^Would that be why dri isn't working or the artifacts I was getting? |
| 20:15.16 | tremon | curvv: iirc, the (ALL:ALL) specification describes which users on which hosts, which is useful if you are sharing the same sudoers file across multiple hosts |
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| 20:15.34 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: that would be a primary reason for no DRI. aside from not in the video group |
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| 20:16.05 | tremon | curvv: a spec (ALL) defaults to (ALL:ALL) iirc, so there should be no difference |
| 20:16.06 | MrDetonia | I'm in the video group. So do I need to replace libGL.so with a version from somewhere else? |
| 20:16.12 | MrDetonia | ^Shadow_7 |
| 20:16.46 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 20:16.57 | E3 | I try to keep up but I'm not so fast. |
| 20:17.05 | Shadow_7 | or something like that. probably best not to be in X at the time. or restart it after |
| 20:17.05 | curvv | i see, thanks tremon. was asking because the ALL:ALL is specified for root... |
| 20:17.18 | teraflops | curvv: "(ALL:ALL) refers to (user:group) that sudo will use. It can be specified with -u and -g when you run sudo. If you don't specify anything it will run as root:root, which is the default. That's how most end up using it anyway." |
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| 20:17.28 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: right, I'll try that from a tty shell now and see what happens on reboot |
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| 20:18.02 | curvv | teraflops: ah makes sense |
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| 20:18.39 | E3 | Shadow_7, I don't have folder /etc/rc.d/ only /etc/rc0.d .. rc6.d and rcS.d |
| 20:19.24 | tremon | curvv: yes, teraflops is correct. See the paragraph following Runas_spec |
| 20:19.52 | tremon | an empty group list (ALL) means that the user can not use sudo -g |
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| 20:20.06 | Shadow_7 | E3: it's the sysvinit stuff. rc?.d where ? is the runlevel. Probably 6 or 0 for the K## stuff, not that familiar with the administration side. |
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| 20:20.48 | Shadow_7 | E3: could also be the # for the runlevel, which is generally 2 for debian. S## is start (so boot) and K## is kill so (shutdown). |
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| 20:21.07 | Iridos | E3, is this still about the graphical stuff/message you want at shutdown? |
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| 20:21.23 | teraflops | scrolls up |
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| 20:21.43 | E3 | I have put it in rc0.d and it worked, but complained about missing a graphical thing/ |
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| 20:21.55 | Shadow_7 | E3: none of which implies if you upgrade away from wheezy, or run ubuntu that's loosely based on unstable. |
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| 20:22.03 | Iridos | E3, you have put *what* there and what is it supposed to do |
| 20:22.03 | Shadow_7 | E3: applies* |
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| 20:22.29 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Right, did that, still no dri :/ Gave me warning on reinstall: 'forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/fglrx because link group glx is broken' Not sure if that is a problem. |
| 20:22.44 | Iridos | E3, and why the heck would it need some graphical output |
| 20:22.49 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: dpkg-divert |
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| 20:23.35 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Not sure what that command does |
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| 20:23.50 | tremon | MrDetonia: just to be sure, you are using the fglrx-driver package, not trying to use the catalyst installer from amd's site? |
| 20:23.55 | E3 | Iridos, I made a script that uses Zenity, another one in /etc/init.rd that start my script and made a symlink in /etc/rc0.d |
| 20:24.07 | MrDetonia | No it's the fglrx-driver package from the repos |
| 20:24.14 | Iridos | E3, what is the script supposed to do |
| 20:24.25 | unborn | lol |
| 20:24.29 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: should list things supplied from more than one installed thing. Might need to # dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/...mesa-glx...deb to get things right. idk |
| 20:24.55 | MrDetonia | I'll have a play |
| 20:25.05 | E3 | Iridos, It ask the user (me) if this computer session was productive, with a list/radio-buttons and stimulating response |
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| 20:26.31 | Shadow_7 | E3: probably want to swap out the shutdown command for something like that. i.e. script, then runs shutdown as last part. |
| 20:26.43 | teraflops | E3: may be putting some notifyd-stuff on the rc.d script exporting the display? i do not know if the user could be a problem |
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| 20:26.58 | orogor_ | hi |
| 20:27.07 | teraflops | E3: i do it all the time but in the crontab |
| 20:27.20 | Iridos | E3, then call the script instead of logging out and let the script do the shutdown as the last thing as root |
| 20:27.52 | E3 | teraflops, Iridos are you twins |
| 20:28.00 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:28.09 | orogor_ | i hav some memory allocation problem , sum of process use maybe 1-2G of memory, but there s almost no mem free from the 8GB +4G swap |
| 20:28.16 | orogor_ | anyone has any idea ? |
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| 20:28.25 | Iridos | teraflops, doing graphical stuff from crontab is also insane :) |
| 20:28.29 | clambakes | hey how might i disable sound? |
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| 20:28.48 | tethra | orogor_: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ ? |
| 20:28.50 | Iridos | E3, we're just kind of talking sense... you're trying to do something in the most complicated way |
| 20:28.55 | teraflops | Iridos: nope since it supports notifyd not even is needed to export the display |
| 20:29.10 | E3 | Iridos, WHAT ? |
| 20:29.16 | tethra | orogor_: see if that page explains what you're seeing, it tells you how to check how much is free and how much is being cached |
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| 20:29.29 | orogor_ | it s not cached pages |
| 20:29.55 | curvv | all this time...i finally get to know sudo a little better. |
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| 20:30.16 | unborn | curvv, sudo is good :) |
| 20:30.20 | Shadow_7 | clambakes: set your sound card as a virtual or dummy card? |
| 20:30.22 | Iridos | E3, ? |
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| 20:30.37 | Shadow_7 | clambakes: depends on if you use alsa natively or pulse as to how. |
| 20:31.16 | E3 | Everybody, this getting to complex for me. This is not launching a rocket to the moon, operating some brains, but just trying to use an OS with many Gigabytes code. I'm disappointed. |
| 20:31.31 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Will I not have to force mesa-dri as well, or has that got nothing to do with libGL.so? |
| 20:31.35 | clambakes | well my problem is im trying to use SPI and i get error in syslog saying the sound card is using the CLK pin |
| 20:31.38 | curvv | unborn: yes..berry gewd. |
| 20:31.54 | teraflops | E3: sincerely what youre trying to do I do not get the point |
| 20:31.56 | Iridos | E3, so am I... all the time... from some of the people asking stuff in here |
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| 20:32.04 | Shadow_7 | E3: well you trying to interrupt a SYSTEM LEVEL thing to do a survey. kind of requires SYSTEM LEVEL knowledge |
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| 20:32.49 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: probably a good ideal to --reinstall all the mesa/X bits. But libgl1-mesa-glx has the libGL.so that gets corrupted by the proprietary driver. |
| 20:33.03 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: which is 99% of the difference between imo |
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| 20:34.04 | Iridos | teraflops, you're not in #d-o |
| 20:34.12 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: when glxinfo says direct rendering: yes and vender: mesa, then you're on the right track. |
| 20:34.27 | teraflops | Iridos: sorry I do not know wtat d-o is |
| 20:34.32 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: you may have uninstalled parts too, like freeglut3 |
| 20:34.33 | E3 | I don't want to waist your time, also not my time.I have no formal education in computer science and hoped many other have done similar things before. Sorry again, but the complexity of Linux grows faster than my learning. I better leave you alone. |
| 20:34.37 | Iridos | teraflops, #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:34.44 | teraflops | ah nope heh |
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| 20:35.11 | teraflops | Iridos: im on #debian-es-offtopic btw |
| 20:35.19 | clambakes | hey shadow7 .. not 100% sure |
| 20:35.26 | rebauld | only Iridos here has any formal computer and that was up to 2nd grade ;) |
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| 20:35.38 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:35.39 | curvv | another one bytes the dust |
| 20:35.55 | Shadow_7 | clambakes: can never be with proprietary sources (or lack of sources) |
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| 20:36.10 | rebauld | E3: 1. quit telling us you are wasting our time - or will start to believe you |
| 20:36.28 | rebauld | what you want to do is very simple - i told you now 2, 3 times what to do |
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| 20:36.50 | clambakes | aml_m8_sound_card.4 is using the pin GPIOAO_8 as pinmux thats the prob i have |
| 20:36.56 | teraflops | E3: just take a beer and may be rethinking your goal |
| 20:36.57 | E3 | rebauld, Untill now I tried many thing, all without result, or getting wiser. That feels bad, hope you feel different. |
| 20:37.01 | clambakes | and i see aml_m8_sound_card.4 in /sys/devices |
| 20:37.07 | rebauld | https://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc |
| 20:38.19 | rebauld | E3: see that example of .xinitrc there - just add your /path/to_survey/binary as last line |
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| 20:39.00 | clambakes | is there some prefered method to disable it in /sys/devices/platform? |
| 20:39.02 | Shadow_7 | clambakes: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 20:39.24 | clambakes | yup see a couple lines there |
| 20:39.34 | Shadow_7 | clambakes: depends on how you define disabled. |
| 20:39.34 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Still no luck unfortunately (thanks for all the advice btw). Gave me the message about forcing fglrx because link group was broken again. |
| 20:39.38 | tremon | clambakes: you might need to blacklist the module. See various files in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 20:39.46 | teraflops | rebauld: umm you say a line below the exec DE line? |
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| 20:39.53 | Shadow_7 | clambakes: muted? lack of loaded drivers? default is something that doesn't actually exist. |
| 20:40.19 | clambakes | shadow .. id like to just have it not load or some such .. so it doesnt interfere with the gpio pin im trying to use for something else |
| 20:40.34 | Shadow_7 | clambakes: so blacklisting is probably the way to go. |
| 20:40.38 | E3 | rebauld, What do you mean with binary ? I have a shell-script. |
| 20:40.42 | clambakes | when i do a lsmod |
| 20:40.46 | clambakes | i dont see any module loaded |
| 20:40.48 | rebauld | teraflops: last line |
| 20:40.54 | clambakes | it still makes sense to blacklist ? |
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| 20:40.58 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: which video card? |
| 20:41.07 | MrDetonia | Radeon HD 6570 |
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| 20:41.37 | rebauld | teraflops: x won't end until the last line is finished ... right?? :) |
| 20:41.47 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: you probably want the fglrx driver for something that new. Aka not ati-legacy. Or is it on the list? |
| 20:41.50 | teraflops | rebauld: and it gets executed? I mean after lets say `exec xmonad` |
| 20:41.55 | rebauld | you don't need wn/de to run x apps |
| 20:42.12 | oliv3r | Hi, not sure if to ask here, or in #debian-arm; but how do I crosscompile a program that requries sys/ioctl.h? I have the crosscompiler installed and it works, but it can't find sys/ioctl.h; and i don't find linux-headers-arm in the list of packages |
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| 20:42.13 | teraflops | sur |
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| 20:42.25 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: or it could be something simpler like using the framebuffer driver not the radeon one. |
| 20:42.27 | teraflops | rebauld: sure |
| 20:43.09 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: what does xrandr show? |
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| 20:43.27 | tremon | oliv3r: that's because there are multiple arm platforms. For my (arm-based) NAS for example, I need linux-headers-2.6-kirkwood |
| 20:43.41 | MrDetonia | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1600 x 1600 |
| 20:43.52 | MrDetonia | DFP1+2 disconnected |
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| 20:43.58 | MrDetonia | CRT1 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
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| 20:44.04 | MrDetonia | and then available resolutions |
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| 20:44.10 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: lsmod | grep -i drm |
| 20:44.27 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: should list the video driver in use there |
| 20:44.29 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: nothing |
| 20:44.41 | oliv3r | tremon: ah, ok how do I identify the header package that I need? I have the full kernel sources etc; i'm building for armv7 (olimex-lime) |
| 20:44.48 | E3 | Thanks all. I just try something and shutting down maybe a couple of times. |
| 20:44.49 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: lsmod | grep -i radeon |
| 20:45.04 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: nothing again |
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| 20:45.17 | tremon | oliv3r: I have no idea how to figure that out. If you have the board running, you can probably find it in dmesg or in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:45.23 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: probably have to video driver blacklisted |
| 20:45.30 | oliv3r | tremon: oh, i use a 'generic' vanilla kernel |
| 20:45.43 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: or don't have the xserver-xorg-video-amd* or ati part installed |
| 20:46.01 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 20:46.15 | teraflops | rebauld: i think nothing executes after an exec lines unless the prior exec fails |
| 20:46.20 | teraflops | line* |
| 20:46.23 | oliv3r | tremon: compiling on the target solves this of course, but I want to cross-compile it for speed reasons obviously :) |
| 20:46.40 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Have that installed for both ati and radeon |
| 20:46.47 | tremon | oliv3r: then you should probably also get the headers from that vanilla kernel tree. At least they're configured correctly |
| 20:47.36 | oliv3r | tremon: right, so then what i'm missing is, how to tell gcc, to use the proper header files :) or how to 'extract' the headers from the kernel (into a directory)? |
| 20:47.54 | tremon | oliv3r: make headers_install, iirc? |
| 20:48.02 | oliv3r | tremon: that makes perfect sense |
| 20:48.03 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: egrep -r -i "radeon" /etc/mod* |
| 20:48.04 | rebauld | teraflops: it it matters i just have 'fluxbox' and then 'firefox' as last two lines i don't use exec at all |
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| 20:48.17 | tremon | or install_headers? can probably find that in generic kernel building docs |
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| 20:48.33 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: although if you start X manually you can just modprobe radeon before doing so |
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| 20:48.39 | oliv3r | tremon: yeah, just gotta figure out how to place them somewhere specific and not system-wide :) |
| 20:48.42 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf:blacklist radeonfb |
| 20:48.42 | MrDetonia | /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf:# fglrx conflicts with the free radeon module. |
| 20:48.42 | MrDetonia | /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf:blacklist radeon |
| 20:48.42 | MrDetonia | /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf:options radeon modeset=1 |
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| 20:48.52 | oliv3r | tremon: thanks, you gave me direction ;) |
| 20:48.53 | tremon | oliv3r: you probably want to use DESTDIR to stop the kernel overwriting your system files |
| 20:49.01 | oliv3r | tremon: yeah :) |
| 20:49.14 | teraflops | oh well if no exec i dont know i mever did that way but if there is an exec i think that is not possible |
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| 20:49.32 | MrDetonia | Sorry :L |
| 20:49.44 | teraflops | MrDetonia: just one less line ... |
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| 20:50.05 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: need to comment out the blacklist radeon line. # |
| 20:50.48 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Just to be clear, I am using the fglrx-driver currently. This is OK? |
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| 20:51.36 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: the conf gets loaded at boot. glxinfo still says NO to direct rendering? |
| 20:51.38 | rebauld | 'help exec' (bash help) supports your contention (without execfail set) |
| 20:52.07 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: if you're using fglrx, is the libGL.so the fglrx one? |
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| 20:53.02 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: and lsmod | grep -i fglrx returns a hit for that module? |
| 20:53.25 | MrDetonia | Hit returned |
| 20:53.33 | teraflops | rebauld: tried that? |
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| 20:53.50 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: and glxinfo? yes to direct rendering + vender == ati / amd ? |
| 20:53.51 | sithfm | hey when you choose this, doesn't it still 'mv' the existing file so you can get at it again if need be? does it add .orig? http://puu.sh/eBOvj/91ab01d4dd.png |
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| 20:54.03 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: or at least vender != mesa |
| 20:54.08 | MrDetonia | Output of: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo|grep rendering |
| 20:54.13 | MrDetonia | libGL: screen 0 does not appear to be DRI2 capable |
| 20:54.25 | MrDetonia | libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/tls/swrast_dri.so |
| 20:54.32 | MrDetonia | libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so |
| 20:54.35 | rebauld | try fluxbox startgnome startkde starticewm all on separte lines |
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| 20:54.47 | sithfm | !orig |
| 20:54.48 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: don't paste back... just yes/no |
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| 20:55.06 | MrDetonia | soz |
| 20:55.14 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: but swrast would imply mesa, so likely using the mesa libGL.so file |
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| 20:55.32 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: apt-get install --reinstall fglrx-driver |
| 20:55.49 | teraflops | rebauld: uhm sounds hackish anyway but it is good to know |
| 20:55.53 | Shadow_7 | and whatever other parts go along with the proprietary driver. unless you used the proprietary installer |
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| 20:56.55 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: No installer used. Can i restart my display manager after reinstalling or is a full reboot necessary? |
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| 20:57.25 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: not full reboot necessary. and don't comment out the blacklist line |
| 20:57.39 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Haven't and haven't |
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| 20:57.44 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: since you are using the fglrx driver / kernel module |
| 20:57.51 | rebauld | teraflops: hackish? as opposed to everything in linux being .. |
| 20:58.30 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Still getting same response from glxinfo |
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| 20:58.52 | teraflops | rebauld: you know what i mean :) |
| 20:58.55 | MrDetonia | Vendor is ATI |
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| 20:59.56 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-fglrx-glx |
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| 21:00.06 | rebauld | teraflops: everything before the 'stay running until exit apps/wm/de etc' needs & at end |
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| 21:00.33 | teraflops | yep just omitting the exec line |
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| 21:00.57 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: No luck :/ |
| 21:00.58 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: and what does fglrxinfo say? for direct rendering? |
| 21:01.24 | teraflops | as in ~/.febh setxkbmap whatever& and so on rebauld |
| 21:01.40 | rebauld | teraflops: just xterm in .xinitrc is perfect for ssh xforwarding too |
| 21:01.40 | teraflops | s/.fehbg& |
| 21:02.00 | MrDetonia | With LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose, exactly the same. Vendor ATI, correct GPU name, but no dri |
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| 21:02.29 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: running fglrxinfo as root? same? |
| 21:02.33 | rebauld | you don't need $ for execute and exit anyway things like setxkbmap and xrdb etc |
| 21:02.42 | rebauld | s/$/&/ |
| 21:03.08 | rebauld | or xset xmodmap etc |
| 21:03.24 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Yes |
| 21:03.28 | teraflops | yep rebauld |
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| 21:03.40 | teraflops | youre right |
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| 21:03.58 | teraflops | nor xrandr and that stuff |
| 21:04.21 | rebauld | :( |
| 21:04.25 | rebauld | :) oops |
| 21:04.30 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:04.45 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: might need to do the dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/..fglrx...deb on the libgl1 for flgrx. Probably a more proper dpkg-divert way, but unfamiliar |
| 21:04.52 | rebauld | to bad E3's problem had nothing to do with this ... |
| 21:05.06 | teraflops | rebauld: i do not use .xinitrc from time ago but used to do so since my wm is xmonad |
| 21:05.13 | rebauld | he just was fustrated for some reason |
| 21:05.13 | MrDetonia | Ok, trying that now |
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| 21:05.40 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: and probably a wiki page about it... wiki.debian.org ? so rusty |
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| 21:06.05 | MrDetonia | I'll have a look for that first |
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| 21:07.10 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: there could also be some framebuffer things that get in the way. you do need to reboot for those. |
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| 21:07.26 | MrDetonia | What would the framebuffer things be? |
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| 21:07.59 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: lsmod | grep fb (results not names *fglrx*) |
| 21:08.03 | MrDetonia | Also dpkg-divert --list is telling me all the libGL libraries are diverted to the mesa versions |
| 21:08.04 | Shadow_7 | s/names/named/ |
| 21:08.28 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: that diversion needs to be changed to use dri + fglrx |
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| 21:08.50 | MrDetonia | Okay, reading up how to do that |
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| 21:11.49 | Shadow_7 | my only ati/amd gpu burned up about six months back. But the dud fan had failed a year+ before that. |
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| 21:12.42 | MrDetonia | I have to say, while I prefer NVidia, ATI cards are always more... eventful |
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| 21:13.49 | Shadow_7 | the integrated nvidia card on that machine... even 7+ years later... still poorly supported if you could call it that. |
| 21:15.31 | Shadow_7 | but mildy better for gaming. the ati one was better for everything other than gaming. |
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| 21:17.11 | MrDetonia | Oh, just found a script in /usr/lib/fglrx that apparenty switches between OS and AMD version of libGL... |
| 21:18.00 | MrDetonia | Reports amd is in use, but we know that's wrong |
| 21:18.57 | MrDetonia | Anyway, from what I can find out, I need to use dpkg-divert to --remove the diversion of libGL.so files, and then --add diversions to the fglrx version? |
| 21:19.09 | tom[] | is this an appropriate way to configure interfaces(5) to add an additional ip address to loopback: https://gist.github.com/tom--/9171b8d176a875f844a1 ? |
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| 21:24.03 | ovidiu-florin | hello world |
| 21:24.13 | ovidiu-florin | can someone please tell me what's wrong with this command: # dd of=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=2048 |
| 21:24.20 | ovidiu-florin | I'm trying to create a swap file |
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| 21:24.31 | centrx | if vs of |
| 21:24.54 | centrx | in-file vs out-file |
| 21:25.22 | AimHere | Also the '#' at the beginning might make it a comment instead of a command |
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| 21:26.02 | Shadow_7 | and it's not dcfldd |
| 21:26.27 | ovidiu-florin | centrx: oh |
| 21:26.30 | ovidiu-florin | yeah.... |
| 21:26.36 | ovidiu-florin | the # means root |
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| 21:33.13 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: Would this help me? -> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/glx-alternative-fglrx |
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| 21:34.01 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
| 21:34.03 | Carlitos__ | :d |
| 21:34.17 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: tbh, probably need jessie for anything useful. lots of openGL things need glibc 2.14+ and wheezy is 2.13 |
| 21:34.28 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: but that might help |
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| 21:34.59 | Carlitos__ | how can I isntall driver for a video card geforce gt730 |
| 21:35.21 | MrDetonia | Seems to be where the problem stems from actually. Ran 'update-alternatives --config glx' and selected fglrx, and it then gave me the message that link group glx was broken |
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| 21:35.51 | teraflops | Carlitos__: https://wiki.debian.org/es/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ^ |
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| 21:36.00 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: probably wants to run with X not running... or I could be wrong |
| 21:36.14 | MrDetonia | I'll give it a go. Also Would I need to update lots of things in one big go if I switched to testing? (need to conserve bandwidth) |
| 21:37.04 | Shadow_7 | MrDetonia: yes... |
| 21:37.07 | MrDetonia | Actually come to think of it I upgraded my version of glibc a while ago from testing, so that should be fine for now. |
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| 21:39.12 | MrDetonia | Nope, 2.13 it is. I'll switch at some point in the future. Anyway, trying alternatives again. |
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| 21:44.13 | MrDetonia | Shadow_7: ...aaaand we have DRI! Thanks so much for the patience and help. :) |
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| 21:46.22 | Shadow_7 | inb4 fps 60 |
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| 21:48.50 | MrDetonia | A steady 3187.570 according to glxgears :3 |
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| 21:52.14 | octocpp | Is there still a debate about making systemd default in debian, or was that decided on ? I might be readin old news :) |
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| 21:53.01 | Iridos | octocpp, decided for jessie |
| 21:53.44 | Iridos | octocpp, also, jessie is frozen since november (see topic) |
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| 21:54.02 | Iridos | (so there hardly *could* be any debate anymore) |
| 21:54.08 | MrDetonia | Can I ask why everybody is adopting systemd all of a sudden? |
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| 21:54.53 | Iridos | MrDetonia, no |
| 21:54.55 | Iridos | :D |
| 21:55.00 | MrDetonia | Oh :( |
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| 21:57.24 | Iridos | MrDetonia, you can at maximum ask why debian did it, I guess :P and the answer is: there was a lengthy discussion. You can look at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html and there was a long page in the wiki (I think) somewhere where people collected arguments pro and against systemd and the alternatives |
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| 21:58.13 | MrDetonia | Cheers for the link. Don't worry, I wasn't attempting to start a flamewar, there's been enough of those :P Just interested in the whole situation is all. |
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| 22:00.34 | octocpp | Guess it is kind of the same thing with getting away from inet-tools. I get whipped for asking where is ifconfig in some distros lol |
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| 22:02.30 | MrDetonia | Yeah, it'll definitely be a big change. We have needed rid of sysvinit for a long, long, long time now though :L |
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| 22:13.21 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
| 22:13.27 | DelphiWorld | apt-get purge mysql-server |
| 22:13.31 | DelphiWorld | didnt purge all config |
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| 22:13.39 | DelphiWorld | so i rm -Rf /etc/mysql-server |
| 22:13.46 | DelphiWorld | i reinstall but not asking for password |
| 22:13.55 | DelphiWorld | how to completly *KICK* mysql and reinstall it? |
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| 22:14.35 | dutchfish | !purge |
| 22:14.36 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 22:16.30 | octocpp | does debian use inittab ? |
| 22:16.36 | DelphiWorld | dutchfish: i purged |
| 22:16.41 | DelphiWorld | but config didnt get restored |
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| 22:17.07 | dutchfish | DelphiWorld, well, read the confmiss |
| 22:17.10 | raijin | ohai I have a question about "depends" in debian |
| 22:17.30 | raijin | there is a pipe character that I do not get , ie "|" |
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| 22:17.40 | raijin | what does it mean in debianland? |
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| 22:17.50 | raijin | in relation to a package |
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| 22:18.30 | dutchfish | raijin, pipes the output from the left phrase to the input of the right phrase around the | symbol |
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| 22:19.03 | DelphiWorld | guys how to restore the original mysql config? |
| 22:19.12 | dutchfish | !confmiss |
| 22:19.12 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 22:20.41 | raijin | dutchfish: to be specific, I am changing a deb to a tar.gz and it shows the depends as libavutil52|libavutil54 |
| 22:20.45 | octocpp | was debian using upstart ? |
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| 22:21.02 | raijin | this is confusing to me |
| 22:21.06 | sine0 | I got an email to root today saying cannot acquire cron-apt lock. |
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| 22:21.22 | sine0 | i have just tried to install something and im getting unable to access a file error |
| 22:21.29 | MrDetonia | octocpp: Debian was using sysv, Ubuntu used upstart |
| 22:21.34 | sine0 | unable to lock the admin dir etc |
| 22:21.35 | Kirito | I'm trying to set up ACL permissions, but every time I run the setfacl command I get "setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 1" |
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| 22:21.45 | MrDetonia | *is using, I should say |
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| 22:22.10 | Kirito | setfacl -m -g:http:rw public_html/ - I'm not doing anything wrong here, am I..? |
| 22:22.14 | Kirito | This is exactly how it's documented |
| 22:22.24 | octocpp | MrDetonia: it has been a while since anyone used the inittab file right? |
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| 22:23.32 | MrDetonia | I haven't touched one for a few years :L |
| 22:23.54 | dutchfish | raijin, it can be a bit ambiguous, depending in what scripting language it is used, i was talking about bash |
| 22:24.09 | DelphiWorld | thank to my dutchfish |
| 22:24.42 | octocpp | MrDetonia: I know wiht upstart you dont use it anymore, but what about with sysv, does it still look to inittab? |
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| 22:24.53 | raijin | dutchfish: right, this is conversion from a .deb to an arch package. does this mean "or?" |
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| 22:25.08 | dutchfish | raijin, no, or would be || |
| 22:25.18 | MrDetonia | It does yeah |
| 22:25.26 | MrDetonia | ^octocpp: afaik |
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| 22:25.40 | raijin | dutchfish: you think it means both then? |
| 22:25.48 | raijin | I doubt that |
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| 22:26.22 | dutchfish | raijin, a single | is most of the time a pipe, while a double || is the boolean OR |
| 22:26.54 | raijin | dutchfish: i agree, but this is specific to packaging, as I am trying to convert a .deb to an arch ackage |
| 22:26.58 | raijin | package* |
| 22:27.20 | dutchfish | raijin, examples: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-4.html |
| 22:27.29 | raijin | -_- |
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| 22:28.24 | dutchfish | raijin, maybe explain what you trying to do exactly? |
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| 22:29.27 | dutchfish | raijin, also give this a peak https://github.com/helixarch/debtap |
| 22:29.40 | raijin | dutchfish: I am trying to convert a .deb to an arch package, and one of the depends is listed as libavutil52|libavutil54 |
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| 22:29.57 | raijin | dutchfish: that is the script I am using, actually |
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| 22:30.05 | dutchfish | raijin, so that was a phrase from the error output? |
| 22:30.23 | dutchfish | (as in dependecy) |
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| 22:30.27 | raijin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.30 | raijin | yes |
| 22:30.43 | raijin | kind of perplexing |
| 22:30.52 | dutchfish | raijin, in that context it means you have to install ALL mentioned dependecies |
| 22:30.59 | raijin | ah ok, thanks |
| 22:31.08 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 22:40.02 | ecksun | Im trying to resize a partition I have, when I do sudo parted /dev/sdb resizepart 1 4000001048576B the end of the partition is rounded down to 4000001049087B (which is not divisible by anything sensible). Do any of you guys know why? |
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| 22:44.46 | frostschutz | ecksun, it's divisible by 512... parted /dev/sdb unit b print free? |
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| 22:46.03 | ecksun | Disk /dev/sdb: 4000787030016B |
| 22:46.05 | ecksun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.19 | ecksun | no, it isnt, the factors of 4000001049087 is 3 73 and 18264844973 |
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| 22:47.21 | ecksun | though that + 1 is divisible by 512 |
| 22:47.44 | frostschutz | ecksun, exactly |
| 22:48.20 | arcsky | what ftp client (GUI) do you guys recommend? i love flashfxp but its only for windows :/ |
| 22:48.42 | darthanubis | filezilla |
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| 22:48.50 | darthanubis | cross platform |
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| 22:49.23 | frostschutz | ecksun, it's normal, the partition goes 1048576B-4000001049087B (inclusive), making it 4000000000512B large. now why it didn't accept the size you specified - I don't know. |
| 22:50.59 | ecksun | frostschutz, yeah, everything makes sense now except why it rounds the way it does |
| 22:51.06 | ecksun | I was trying to align it to 4k |
| 22:51.19 | ecksun | dunno how important it is, but that was my goal nevertheless |
| 22:52.06 | frostschutz | ecksun, it's aligned to 1MiB, actually. the size is odd, but that doesn't affect the alignment unless you have another partition after that which isn't aligned |
| 22:52.25 | ecksun | yeah, I guess |
| 22:53.05 | frostschutz | ecksun, print free should show what range is available for partitioning |
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| 22:53.31 | frostschutz | ecksun, for example with gpt you can't go to the very end of the disk since there is a backup gpt header there somewhere |
| 22:53.53 | ecksun | oh, cool |
| 22:53.57 | ecksun | yeah, I have left 700MB free |
| 22:54.26 | frostschutz | but if print free shows there's unpartitioned space, you should be able to claim it ... |
| 22:54.37 | ecksun | so I can replace the drive with some different make later which might be off a different size (though I noticed all my 3 diffrent types of drives have the exact same size oddly enough) |
| 22:54.51 | ecksun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.51 | ecksun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:56.25 | frostschutz | does it take resizepart 1 4000001818623b? |
| 22:56.55 | ecksun | lets try :D |
| 22:56.58 | ecksun | this is only a live drive ;) |
| 22:57.11 | ecksun | this is the result: |
| 22:57.11 | ecksun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.46 | frostschutz | so go for mib alignment, that seems to work |
| 22:57.54 | ecksun | hmm |
| 22:57.56 | frostschutz | you can use unit mib for that matter |
| 22:58.11 | ecksun | thats interesting indeed |
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| 22:59.31 | frostschutz | do you have raid on it? |
| 22:59.43 | ecksun | yeah, this is a raid5 Im resizing |
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| 23:00.19 | frostschutz | if it's mdadm, are you using 1.1 or 1.2 metdata? cause with 0.90 or 1.0 you may run into problems when you change the partition end like that, since the metadata is at the end of the partition ... ;) |
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| 23:00.36 | ecksun | 1.2 I think |
| 23:00.53 | frostschutz | no problems there, then |
| 23:01.01 | ecksun | yes |
| 23:01.07 | ecksun | good :D |
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| 23:18.17 | mdel | hmm, any idea why wifi would fail to reconnect after sleep UNTIL i kill/restart wpa_supplicant? |
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| 23:23.24 | tpw_rules | any systemd experts? i need to run a command upon the insertion of a usb device with a specific vid/pid |
| 23:24.11 | mtn | tpw_rules: mint doesn't use systemd, does it? |
| 23:24.27 | mtn | tpw_rules: oops, confused again :( |
| 23:24.35 | tpw_rules | slaps mtn |
| 23:24.43 | mtn | ow! |
| 23:24.56 | tpw_rules | was that a wrong channel error? |
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| 23:25.23 | tpw_rules | i'm running raspbian |
| 23:25.40 | tpw_rules | or debian on the raspberry pi. can't remember if it's raspbian or not, it's relatively embedded |
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| 23:56.59 | leonlemouton | tpw_rules : libpam-systemd ? |
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