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| 00:44.28 | incal | I'm installing Debian from a USB, the installation process is fine until it has connected to the "mirror" and acquired some files, then it says it cannot put grub-pc into /target, and I can't install LILO from the menu (same error) either |
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| 00:48.09 | rebauld | can you check the usb and see if grub is on it? maybe just try to install until you can get a simple boot - minimal install? |
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| 00:50.11 | incal | rebauld: it is the official live stuff from the Debian home page so I take it GRUB is there, but let me try to confirm that... |
| 00:50.16 | jhutchins | incal: What are you installing to? |
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| 00:51.18 | danlamanna | is it common to pin wheezy-backports above the regular wheezy repos? |
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| 00:51.42 | incal | jhutchins: you mean what Debian ISO file or what computer? |
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| 00:52.57 | jhutchins | incal: Is it an EFI box, an SSD, or other unusual storage? |
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| 00:55.21 | incal | jhutchins: I don't know, I had to put it in some compatibility mode to make it boot at all, is that EFI? |
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| 00:55.41 | incal | jhutchins: boot as in run the Debian installer |
| 00:56.22 | sydney | incal: What compatability mode? Nomodeset? |
| 00:57.06 | sydney | Odd, ive only ever had grub fail installing once. |
| 00:57.17 | sydney | And the next time i ran the installer it worked fine. |
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| 00:57.58 | incal | sydney: I don't remember, it is American Megatrends, first the USB would turn invisible, then I checked some option (compatibility mode... something like that) and it worked instantly, until the GRUB/LILO issue |
| 00:58.16 | sydney | hmm |
| 00:58.28 | sydney | I dont know. i dont know much on this issue. |
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| 01:05.50 | joeyc | hello |
| 01:05.51 | incal | yes, it is Windows 8 EFI firmware, GRUB probably hooks to old BIOS? |
| 01:06.09 | joeyc | is the df -h output fixed in wheezy yet ? |
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| 01:16.27 | CHVNX | Is Raspian maintained by the Debian project, or is it merely a Debian-baed distro? |
| 01:16.35 | CHVNX | -based* |
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| 01:20.45 | tracphil | Is there a way to not install a package during preseed? Trying to install syslog-ng instead of rsyslog. |
| 01:20.56 | jhutchins | incal: /msg dpkg fixbot - should work for EFI. |
| 01:23.03 | dvs | CHVNX: Raspbian is a Debian-based distro |
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| 01:35.17 | maazu | hi all |
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| 01:38.30 | maazu | hi all |
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| 01:45.04 | joeyc | dev/disk/by-uuid/e08afb6c-c9c9-415c-ab53-edfe14012923 |
| 01:45.19 | joeyc | how do u fix that crap from df -h out put |
| 01:45.46 | dondelelcaro | joeyc: that is just how you've mounted the drive; it's not really a big deal |
| 01:45.48 | maazu | joeyc: are you using experimental crypto drive? |
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| 01:46.15 | maazu | dondelelcaro: no... usual ext4 drives dont use those notations |
| 01:46.36 | joeyc | thats the df -h |
| 01:46.43 | joeyc | output |
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| 01:47.15 | joeyc | joey@core:~$ df -h |
| 01:47.15 | joeyc | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 01:47.15 | joeyc | rootfs 452G 655M 428G 1% / |
| 01:47.15 | joeyc | udev 10M 0 10M 0% /dev |
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| 01:48.04 | maazu | joeyc: the rule of thumb: don't know don't do |
| 01:48.21 | joeyc | is the base install |
| 01:49.01 | maazu | joeyc: install from DVD-rom |
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| 01:49.15 | incal | OK, solved it, the American Megatrends UEFI/BIOS also had a second option in addition to the "Compatibility Service Mode", namely "Secure Boot" (whatever that means), anyway with that GRUB installs fine, I thought I'd tell you as that was very annoying to (not) find |
| 01:49.53 | joeyc | http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=301740 |
| 01:49.58 | joeyc | read that |
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| 01:50.04 | joeyc | it talks about the df -h |
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| 01:50.29 | rebauld | incal that secure boot meaning you can't write to bios or something? |
| 01:50.54 | incal | rebauld: apparently :) |
| 01:51.09 | rebauld | or drive? |
| 01:51.28 | rebauld | to write to boot sector? <---- makes sense |
| 01:52.12 | rebauld | to prevent the 1999 stone virus ;) |
| 01:52.28 | incal | rebauld: I can't tell you, but yeah, probably |
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| 01:53.04 | incal | rebauld: probably American Megatrends has a deal with MS to make it more difficult installing other OSs |
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| 01:57.27 | HebusLeTroll | Hello folks, is there a tool for runtime per-process bandwidth throttling. ie : I want my croned backup script to limit the bw of every (and any) over processes before starting online backup at almost full speed. |
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| 01:59.05 | rebauld | why don't you want it to go 'full speed' |
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| 01:59.46 | dondelelcaro | HebusLeTroll: it's pretty hard to limit everything else but your backup script |
| 02:00.07 | rebauld | if others are using the bandwidth it will be slowed ;) don't you want to get the backup done fast |
| 02:00.10 | dondelelcaro | HebusLeTroll: you can do it using QoS and traffic shaping, but you generally want to limit backup scripts |
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| 02:01.02 | HebusLeTroll | rebauld i want to let other process use as little as possible bandwidth (but still allowing them a little, so the connexion wont break completly) |
| 02:01.29 | HebusLeTroll | dondelelcaro: but my router has to handle QoS, right ? I don't think it does |
| 02:01.53 | dondelelcaro | HebusLeTroll: yes, generally speaking. Or you have to do it on the local machine. |
| 02:01.58 | HebusLeTroll | (in fact it does for phone and TV, but it's hardcoded afaik) |
| 02:02.04 | dondelelcaro | HebusLeTroll: are you sending the backup somewhere remote? Or is it just local? |
| 02:02.35 | HebusLeTroll | dondelelcaro: i send it on the Internet |
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| 02:04.26 | dondelelcaro | HebusLeTroll: well, it can be done using tc on the local machine, but it's not trivial. Of course, that would only limit local bandwidth. If you want to limit all of the clients on your network, then it has to be done at the router. |
| 02:04.39 | dondelelcaro | HebusLeTroll: if you just want to limit the bandwidth used by a single thing, see trickle. |
| 02:05.02 | rebauld | are you lzma or better compressing it? |
| 02:05.56 | HebusLeTroll | dondelelcaro: limiting only on the debian machine will do (typically the other computers will be shutdown anyway when the sheduled online backup happens) |
| 02:06.43 | rebauld | shutdown other computers? is that allowed? |
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| 02:07.52 | HebusLeTroll | dondelelcaro: i tryed trickle but unless i've missed something, it only work when we start a process, right ? Or can it limit a process bandwidth without hacing to restart it ? |
| 02:08.00 | tracphil | Is there a way to not install a package during preseed? Trying to install syslog-ng instead of rsyslog. |
| 02:08.04 | HebusLeTroll | hacing = having* |
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| 02:09.59 | rebauld | tracphil: let install go through then do you alterations later apt-get purge/remove and apt-get install .. |
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| 02:18.44 | tracphil | rebauld: yeah, I can do that or use a late command to inject a script to run once on boot and then remove itselfs, but I was trying to do it in the chroot someohow. |
| 02:19.33 | tracphil | I don't dig logging into every server I build and remember to remove a package. |
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| 02:19.49 | rebauld | that is what ssh and scripting if for |
| 02:19.52 | johnfg | hey folks |
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| 02:20.09 | johnfg | Quick question: installed a new monitor, and chose a bad resolution. |
| 02:20.28 | johnfg | I can't see the top menu to get back to what I need to choose another. |
| 02:20.35 | tracphil | no it's not. That is what preseed is for. RHEL can do it during kickstart, so I thought Debian could do it through preseed. |
| 02:20.48 | johnfg | What cmd to I execute from the cli to configure this monitor/display? |
| 02:21.13 | rebauld | x -configure |
| 02:21.32 | rebauld | your case mileage may vary :) |
| 02:22.30 | johnfg | rebauld: you typed: `x -configure`? |
| 02:23.44 | rebauld | Xorg -config xorg.conf.new |
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| 02:24.21 | rebauld | it should give you the right resolutuon - or just edit the config yourself in a tty and fix it |
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| 02:32.50 | tracphil | rebauld: d-i base-installer/excludes string rsyslog |
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| 02:51.07 | rebauld | isn;t that just a locale thing for the error messages etc |
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| 03:04.26 | UltimateNate | How to enable swap? |
| 03:04.31 | UltimateNate | swapon is no such command |
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| 03:04.48 | rebauld | what does free show |
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| 03:05.16 | UltimateNate | Mem: 2073516 1699904 373612 0 159288 1156224 |
| 03:05.17 | UltimateNate | -/+ buffers/cache: 384392 1689124 |
| 03:05.17 | UltimateNate | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 03:05.34 | UltimateNate | didn't add total used free shared buffers cached |
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| 03:05.43 | rebauld | did you make a swap partition? is this a default install? |
| 03:05.52 | UltimateNate | I did make a partition |
| 03:06.09 | UltimateNate | So what should i do? |
| 03:06.11 | rebauld | did you mkswap it |
| 03:06.16 | UltimateNate | no |
| 03:06.31 | UltimateNate | mkswap isn't a command |
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| 03:07.17 | rebauld | it sure it |
| 03:07.33 | rebauld | it sure is |
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| 03:07.44 | UltimateNate | no it's not |
| 03:07.55 | Epakai | /sbin/mkswap /sbin/swapon since you're path is broken or you're using sudo |
| 03:08.22 | rebauld | UltimateNate: yea argue about this is good strategy |
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| 03:10.15 | UltimateNate | nvm i fixed this |
| 03:10.16 | UltimateNate | using gparted |
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| 03:10.37 | rebauld | so you didn't make the partition then |
| 03:10.53 | rebauld | how without mkswap and swapon? |
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| 03:35.48 | hikenboot | hi I am trying to copy a chroot directory for backup. Whats the best way to do this...nautilus thinks its 149TB in size which is 150 times its actual size |
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| 03:41.23 | rebauld | are you root? or stuff in the chroot |
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| 03:47.32 | hikenboot | yes I am as root so i run sudo natilus and right click on the chroot folder and it says its 149 TB in size and of course cant copy it because of space |
| 03:47.48 | hikenboot | I am going to make a big change to it, so i want a backup |
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| 03:57.01 | johnfg | That command didn't work. What would be the way to call the gnome command for display configuration from the cli? |
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| 03:58.15 | hikenboot | no idea. |
| 03:58.43 | hikenboot | is there a way to copy it on the command line that will take care of the special files...rsync perhaps? |
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| 03:59.00 | hikenboot | I have never copied a chroot before, so I am not entirely sure |
| 04:00.27 | DrakkenWarr | johnfg: the short answer as I understand it is, you cannot start a gnome app from the command line |
| 04:00.49 | DrakkenWarr | it utilizes xorg at the very least and a ton of graphical dependencies |
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| 04:01.43 | hikenboot | right thats true...forgot that but the overriding issue is i am trying to copy a chroot folder to a backup folder |
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| 04:02.25 | DrakkenWarr | you mentioned rsync.. have you tried that yet? seems the easiest logical explanation to me |
| 04:03.13 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.34 | hikenboot | would that be all the switches I would need to preserve it properly |
| 04:03.37 | DrakkenWarr | looks like it will work too me |
| 04:03.46 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
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| 04:36.47 | danlamanna | is it normal to pin wheezy-backports above wheezy? wouldn't this be the ideal? |
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| 04:38.32 | DrakkenWarr | are you talking about your sources.list danlamanna? |
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| 04:41.00 | danlamanna | DrakkenWarr: yeah. it seems to make sense that since wheezy-backports doesn't break anything, one would always attempt to install from backports first |
| 04:41.32 | DrakkenWarr | no install your base first then add backports |
| 04:42.33 | danlamanna | DrakkenWarr: i mean regular packages - i've always got my base system installed |
| 04:42.40 | danlamanna | already* |
| 04:43.16 | DrakkenWarr | aye, but keep backports under your base line repo list |
| 04:43.30 | DrakkenWarr | at least, that is how I do things, your mileage might very |
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| 05:01.45 | pingfloyd | you want to use backports selectively |
| 05:02.01 | Shadow_7 | hikenboot: rsync -aAXv with a bunch of --exclude is the arch way. You can forgo the --exclude(s) if it's not a live filesystem. And maybe other options depending on the system. |
| 05:02.59 | Shadow_7 | hikenboot: I use that to clone my installs to other media. And no noticeable woes running from that "copy" as long as the fstab (if configured) and bootloader knows the "new" location. |
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| 07:10.57 | maziar1 | hi, does any one know, how can i analyze external log file on AWSTATS ? |
| 07:13.10 | maziar1 | does any one know, how can i analyze external log file on AWSTATS ? |
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| 07:48.49 | maziar1 | perl /usr/share/awstats/tools/logresolvemerge.pl /var/log/apache2/access.log* > /root/access.log |
| 07:48.58 | maziar1 | does any one know, how can i analyze external log file on AWSTATS ? |
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| 08:17.21 | raSter^ | guys is there a download for adoble flash player for use in iceweasel, in apt-get ? |
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| 08:24.26 | ArtVandalae | maziar_, first: don't repeat yourself. Second what do you mean by "external", what does that mean? |
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| 08:27.30 | maziar_ | ArtVandalae, thank you , i want to use an other server's apache access log. what should i do ? |
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| 08:28.52 | ArtVandalae | Awstats does not have any "native" way to do this. You can achieve this by either: 1. copying the files from the remote server, to the server containing Awstats. OR (and this will be very slow) 2. Mount the remote system using sshfs, and then use Awstats on the sshfs mount |
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| 08:36.57 | maziar__ | ArtVandalae, i copy that file to my server, and i can overwrite it, to my apache access log,,,,, but it does not work |
| 08:38.09 | ArtVandalae | where is the log file? Who is it owned by? |
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| 08:38.41 | ArtVandalae | and which user are you running awstats as? |
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| 09:18.25 | jasabella | hi |
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| 09:19.04 | jasabella | i'm using a debian live cd image on a usb key and was wondering how i could set up persistence |
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| 09:19.25 | jasabella | i have a partition labelled live-rw but debian appears to be ignoring it? |
| 09:19.43 | jasabella | (unless i've misunderstood what live-rw is) |
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| 09:27.52 | cbro | http://pastebin.com/izszva3e |
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| 09:28.01 | cbro | can someone help with this error while using apt-get |
| 09:28.08 | cbro | trying to install a python package |
| 09:28.21 | cbro | don’t know what all these locks are |
| 09:29.13 | jasabella | your LAMP stack is running |
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| 09:29.34 | cbro | jasabella: how do you know its lamp? |
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| 09:29.46 | cbro | and not mysql or postgres? |
| 09:30.37 | jasabella | i'm guessing :) |
| 09:30.51 | jasabella | but it's complaining about all of it |
| 09:30.56 | jasabella | not just one |
| 09:31.14 | cbro | so on Debian you cannot have processes running when you install something |
| 09:31.15 | cbro | ? |
| 09:31.43 | jasabella | i'm a debian newbie |
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| 09:31.55 | cbro | hm |
| 09:32.52 | jasabella | oh hmmm it's in debconf |
| 09:33.00 | jasabella | do you have apt-get running elsewhere? |
| 09:33.32 | jasabella | use lsof to find out who has the files open |
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| 09:33.43 | misterme | then we do |
| 09:33.55 | misterme | concrete |
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| 09:35.48 | jasabella | cbro? |
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| 09:36.08 | cbro | sudo rm /var/cache/debconf/*.dat |
| 09:36.11 | cbro | fixed it |
| 09:36.18 | jasabella | okay |
| 09:36.40 | jasabella | lsof can tell you whoh is using a file (as in which process) |
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| 09:38.51 | jasabella | bbl |
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| 09:51.28 | valdyn | cbro: you are trying to break your system like that |
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| 10:04.34 | smartass | hi, I heard that the latest security update of linux-image on stable has some regressions for suspending ... is this true? I could not find any officialy looking warning |
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| 10:13.46 | jasabella | *sigh* |
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| 10:16.14 | jasabella | i cant get debian live cd (running off a usb stick) to be persistent |
| 10:16.30 | jasabella | i tried booting with persistent but it wont work |
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| 10:16.36 | RDash | you cannot boot on it? |
| 10:17.13 | jasabella | no it boots |
| 10:17.26 | jasabella | but it does not restore my previous settings |
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| 10:17.49 | jasabella | i meant i set the boot parameter persistent before |
| 10:18.01 | jasabella | does the live-rw partition have to be empty? |
| 10:18.09 | jasabella | (the first time) |
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| 10:18.54 | RDash | Hrm I am not fimiliar with saving files on a USB environment |
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| 10:41.59 | Komanda | i currently have a macosx mini in a datacenter since i love macosx server.app, it lets me do things like setting up a mailserver super easy |
| 10:42.06 | Komanda | is there something sumilair for debian? |
| 10:42.17 | Komanda | a nice gui to setup basics like mail |
| 10:42.45 | Komanda | i know my way around the cli but rather not waste my times on things that should be simple |
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| 10:43.05 | Komanda | or maybe a way to virtualize osx server on a debian host |
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| 10:48.55 | Shadow_7 | Komanda: email from a "client" side or server side? SuSE has YaST, which might qualify. |
| 10:50.19 | Komanda | Shadow_7: server side |
| 10:50.59 | Komanda | running osx locally, basically trying to replace a macmini server of 60$ per month |
| 10:51.12 | Komanda | have a bunch of other servers they are debian |
| 10:51.14 | Komanda | love them |
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| 10:51.53 | Komanda | but don't want to use debian for mail/calander/filesharing/opendirectory and that kind of stuff |
| 10:52.03 | Komanda | well i would like to |
| 10:52.26 | Komanda | sicne its cheaper |
| 10:52.28 | Komanda | but not if it requires me to spend lots of time dicking around on commandline |
| 10:53.01 | Komanda | thats something i'm only willing to do for coding custom webapps etc |
| 10:53.42 | Shadow_7 | Servers tend to be gui-less, so CLI is what it's geared towards. |
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| 10:57.15 | jasabella | does the live-rw partition need to be empty the first time it is used for livecd persistence/. |
| 10:57.16 | jasabella | ? |
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| 12:11.29 | berndj | is there a way to tell apt that it's okay to install all the GFDL packages, but without as a side effect letting all kinds of other non-free packages in? basically, i want to tell apt to disagree with the DFSG :] |
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| 12:12.56 | valdyn | berndj: apt does not know about this |
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| 12:13.43 | Quebecer_dude | I wonder which is the most live and operational mirror for downloading packages in debian |
| 12:13.57 | Quebecer_dude | http://ftp2.fr.debian.og is down :| |
| 12:14.03 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: usually a mirror close to you |
| 12:14.30 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: not down |
| 12:14.43 | berndj | valdyn, i kinda thought so :( i guess i could track down all the GFDL packages and put them in a repository and add that to sources.list? |
| 12:14.54 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: but after all it's about downloading packages, not doing latency-dependant tasks like online gaming, so why should i choose the closest mirror? |
| 12:15.23 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: are you on a modem? |
| 12:15.32 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: i get Could not resolve 'ftp2.fr.debian.org', how so |
| 12:15.36 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: yeah ADSL |
| 12:15.48 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: of course the actual package download speed largely is lateny bound |
| 12:16.05 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: unless you have a slow internet connection |
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| 12:16.51 | berndj | i thought apt pipelines a few packages to make latency less of an issue |
| 12:17.39 | berndj | maybe i've been misinterpreting the display |
| 12:17.53 | valdyn | berndj: maybe it does |
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| 12:18.20 | valdyn | berndj: still though, the typical package is small, the typical upgrade of such a small package is small etc |
| 12:18.35 | SynrG | berndj: it would be better once you made that list if you would just pin them |
| 12:18.40 | valdyn | and all the mirrors im using can saturate my bandwidth easily |
| 12:18.46 | valdyn | so all there is left is latency |
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| 12:19.28 | SynrG | berndj: i'm not sure how you would 'let other non-free packages in'. they tend not to be dependencies. so unless you explicitly install them, they won't be dragged in |
| 12:19.33 | berndj | SynrG, hmm? i don't understand pinning, i thought it was something you do locally - to "pin" a package at a particular version? |
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| 12:20.06 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: your networking is broken anyway, that server is not down, the dns name is not broken either |
| 12:20.10 | SynrG | berndj: my idea is to pin all non-free at -1 (never install) and the ones you want at 500 |
| 12:20.17 | berndj | SynrG, i mean if i just added non-free to sources.list, suddenly it becomes easy to accidentally install some other (non-GFDL) package when i see its description and think "hey, that's cool" |
| 12:20.34 | berndj | SynrG, ooooh, inverting the list, i get it |
| 12:20.42 | SynrG | but it has the same liability |
| 12:20.48 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: so i should do something like restarting my modem instead of changing the mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 12:20.50 | berndj | any mirrors can saturate my bandwidth :( |
| 12:20.51 | SynrG | if you explicitly ask for it, then it will be installed even if you said -1 |
| 12:21.04 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: the actual mirror has nothing to do with your dns being broken |
| 12:21.09 | SynrG | so in the end, i think the pinning idea doesn't solve what you're after |
| 12:21.14 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: i dont know why your dns cannot resolve that name |
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| 12:21.26 | berndj | SynrG, ok so sounds like i'd want a GFDL-only repository after all then? |
| 12:21.39 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: Alright |
| 12:21.42 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: maybe you have a typo in the name |
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| 12:21.59 | SynrG | berndj: well, technically you just want GFDL-only filtered lists ... |
| 12:22.09 | SynrG | berndj: maybe you could write an apt plugin to do that? |
| 12:22.09 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: maybe setting the nameserver to something known to work, like 8.8.8.8 can fix this temporarily |
| 12:22.11 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: no non, i often download my packages from it normally, just today things are being weird |
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| 12:22.25 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: ah google's ? |
| 12:22.27 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: show us your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:22.42 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: show us the output for "host ftp2.fr.debian.org" |
| 12:22.51 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: yes, thats one of googles |
| 12:23.10 | berndj | SynrG, it should be easy, right? the licence should be script-visible somewhere, right? |
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| 12:23.50 | SynrG | berndj: well, not in the apt list itself, but yes, "somewhere" |
| 12:24.04 | SynrG | berndj: just the same way we have apt plugins to fetch changelogs and check the BTS |
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| 12:25.02 | berndj | files the idea in the "projects for the next 20 years" folder |
| 12:25.05 | SynrG | berndj: and any copyright file that's DEP-5 compliant should be machine-parsable |
| 12:25.12 | SynrG | :) |
| 12:25.52 | berndj | damn, today is the first time i've even seen the token "dep-5" and this ^ is the second time |
| 12:25.56 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: /etc/resolv.conf http://paste.debian.net/140996/ ; host ftp2.fr.debian.org's output: http://paste.debian.net/140997/ |
| 12:26.31 | SynrG | berndj: the problem with this approach is that a GFDL licensed package *might* depend on another non-free package that is filtered out, making it uninstallable. but the chances of that happening are very slim. |
| 12:26.47 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: so you are operating your own nameserver? |
| 12:27.11 | SynrG | berndj: debian policy allows it, though |
| 12:27.15 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: not sure, i know that i'm operating nothign anyway :p |
| 12:27.23 | berndj | SynrG, yeah, GFDL stuff is typically documentation, which should be standalone, right? |
| 12:27.29 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: ok, mayber thats a network-manager thing |
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| 12:27.47 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: set the nameserver to 8.8.8.8 in that file for now, try your apt stuff |
| 12:27.58 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: or just rebooting the system might fix this by itself |
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| 12:28.23 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: hmm no |
| 12:28.34 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: that 192.168.1.1 is your router |
| 12:28.44 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: or adsl modem / router combo device |
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| 12:29.09 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: that device is broken and needs to be restarted *or* that device is using your broken isp dns server |
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| 12:29.32 | valdyn | Quebecer_dude: either way setting nameserver to 8.8.8.8 is a working temporary fix |
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| 12:30.59 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: heh, true, just restarting the very modem of mine did solve it, a sagem f#ast 2604 |
| 12:31.04 | Quebecer_dude | *f@st* |
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| 12:31.34 | Quebecer_dude | valdyn: so the issue was a dns name server being boreken somewhere between me and the mirror ? |
| 12:31.45 | Quebecer_dude | *broken* |
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| 12:41.25 | SynrG | berndj: in my theoretical case, the doc would have a build-dep on a non-free doc build system. |
| 12:41.31 | SynrG | possibly |
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| 12:47.24 | WormFood | I just installed a clean install of Jessie on my computer, and I'm wondering, what is the "best" input method for typing things other than English (like Chinese, for example)? |
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| 13:16.13 | Azoff | hello |
| 13:16.43 | Stargazers | Hi |
| 13:17.01 | Azoff | I got a server running debian wheezy with ddclient. I have noticed that since last openssl update, all connection attempts from within perl to any SSL provided service fails |
| 13:17.10 | Azoff | use IO::Socket::SSL qw(debug3); |
| 13:17.11 | Azoff | IO::Socket::SSL->new("members.dyndns.org:443") or die "error=$!, ssl_error=$SSL_ERROR"; |
| 13:17.23 | Azoff | that minimal script fails and it should not (I think) |
| 13:17.37 | Azoff | DEBUG: .../IO/Socket/SSL.pm:1328: SSL Version SSLv2 not supported error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) |
| 13:17.48 | Stargazers | Ok. Sorry, have no clue myself. |
| 13:17.49 | Azoff | I belive this is an regression in the openssl package |
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| 13:18.29 | Azoff | I've tried disabling TSLvX where X is one of 1, 11 and 12 without any change |
| 13:18.57 | abrotman | Azoff: which is giving you that error, the client or the host? |
| 13:19.06 | Azoff | client |
| 13:19.16 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 13:19.33 | abrotman | If it's a Debian package, check the BTS |
| 13:19.58 | Azoff | I checked that BTS, but couldn't find any recent reports of this problem |
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| 13:21.21 | Azoff | just as a reference, up-to-date gentoo stable doesn't have this problem |
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| 13:24.08 | Azoff | abrotman: I'm sure that this is on the client only, I do not see any trafic at all when running the script |
| 13:24.27 | Azoff | abrotman: you can even enter a non-existent ip/host and you still get the same error |
| 13:24.35 | tremon | Azoff: Socket::SSL should not default to SSLv2. https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/IO-Socket-SSL/lib/IO/Socket/SSL.pod#Common-Usage-Errors even lists this as a common error, but I have no idea where the defaults are set |
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| 13:25.01 | abrotman | honestly, nothing should be usinbg sslv2 |
| 13:25.32 | tremon | ("should not" as in normative, I have no idea what the code is doing) |
| 13:25.52 | Azoff | yes, v2 should def. not be used, but I have no idea why it worked before the last security update of openssl package |
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| 13:27.17 | Azoff | if I override the Net::SSL defaults with SSL_version => 'SSLv3', I get further, but still fails after a few steps... |
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| 13:28.31 | tremon | Azoff: you can downgrade openssl to verify that it is indeed caused by the openssl package, then report a bug. It may be a bug in openssl or in the cipher detection in Socket::SSL |
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| 13:29.31 | Azoff | tremon: hm, will try that, just a moment |
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| 13:33.54 | mjt | does linux support touchscreens? I've a notebook with a "USBest Technology SiS HID Touch Controller", it is recognized, but works just like mouse (to select text in iceweasel for example) -- I'd like to use it for scrolling and other useful purposes... |
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| 13:34.51 | Azoff | tremon: now I'm confused, after downgrade, it do not work either... but it worked last week when I checked last |
| 13:35.18 | abrotman | mjt: It does, but not sure to what extent |
| 13:36.05 | mjt | yeah, it works somewhat :) |
| 13:38.22 | tremon | Azoff: probably a different change broke it then. Try scanning your dpkg.log for other upgrades, or check the server's maintenance logs |
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| 13:41.10 | Azoff | tremon: just tried on another debian system (newly installed) and it doesn't fail on it |
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| 13:47.03 | tremon | I suspect it's a configuration error then, not a code error. But I wouldn't know what config. The other (unlikely) possibility that I can think of is that the box was hacked, and Socket::SSL replaced with a known-bad variant. Maybe run debsums on the failing box |
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| 13:50.19 | Azoff | got it to work now |
| 13:50.32 | Azoff | removed libio-socket-ssl-perl and then reinstalled it |
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| 13:51.01 | Azoff | but I will run debsums just to be sure anyway |
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| 13:56.15 | Azoff | tremon: nothing poped out in debsums, so I guess that it got corrupted someway or something |
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| 13:56.37 | abrotman | or something .. |
| 13:57.04 | subzero_0 | helllo debian users |
| 13:57.10 | tremon | probably. Still odd though |
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| 15:01.06 | Seryth | Hey all. Whenever I run 'startx', the screen freezes and I cannot move the cursor or anything, nor access TTY. I think something may be messed up with my graphics drivers. I'm running Jessie on an old Dell Inspiron 1300 laptop. Any ideas? |
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| 15:02.51 | phogg | Seryth: First thing to check is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:03.09 | Seryth | I'll have a look now, phogg |
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| 15:04.59 | wonderworld | i have a 3g modem in my notebook. my SIM and plan support data and voice. is it possible to place normal phone calls with it somehow? |
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| 15:05.34 | Mihaibuc | http://Earn4Share.com/?id=70135 |
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| 15:05.43 | Seryth | phogg, strange. I can't see anything of much interest in Xorg.0.log, but Xorg.1.log seems to have an error message about "Screen not DRI2 capable". |
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| 15:18.50 | borosky | hi, i have a noob question about tar |
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| 15:19.05 | borosky | how to extract multiple (split) files with one line command? |
| 15:19.06 | borosky | https://www.dropbox.com/s/261b2pk0ecsy95s/how%20tar.PNG?dl=0 |
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| 15:20.35 | abrotman | how were they split? |
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| 15:24.48 | borosky | with tar gz |
| 15:25.19 | borosky | i -zcvf -split 1000m -R was the original command or something similar abrotman |
| 15:25.22 | g00se | That does the opposite of splitting files - it amalgamates |
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| 15:27.28 | borosky | the question is simple, i need to untar 250 files |
| 15:27.39 | borosky | right now someone suggested me to use cat to build one file |
| 15:27.48 | borosky | so im doing that |
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| 15:35.23 | g00se | borosky: something like: while read f;do cat "${f}" >>amalgamated; done<filelist.txt |
| 15:35.43 | g00se | (Make sure filelist.txt gets them in the right order) |
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| 15:39.57 | tpw_rules | oops never mind it's the wrong device anyway |
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| 15:54.12 | ued6iy4M | attempting to configure hostapd access point with 0bda:8172 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter but getting message from iw 'nl80211 not found.' what does this mean? |
| 15:56.10 | ued6iy4M | hostapd also gives error messages: "nl80211: 'nl80211' generic netlink not found" "Failed to initialize driver 'nl80211'" |
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| 15:56.59 | bsdbeard | Hey, I have 2 boot partitions, each with a grub2 bootloader, how can I tell one grub to chain load the other? |
| 15:57.09 | ued6iy4M | also, using wheezy with kernel 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
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| 15:57.51 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, bpo.4 ? is that new in the repos? |
| 15:58.32 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html have you tried chainloader directive? |
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| 15:59.22 | Brigo | ued6iy4M, it looks like you will need to compile hostapd on you own. |
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| 16:00.12 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, 2 'boot' partitions? how is the first grub installed/loaded? |
| 16:00.28 | ued6iy4M | Brigo, am happy to downgrade kernel if it is easier |
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| 16:00.33 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, the first grub is on /dev/sda1, the other is on /dev/sdb3 |
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| 16:01.07 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, okay, but the firmware doesn't look inside partitions when booting |
| 16:01.17 | Brigo | ued6iy4M, the problem is not the kernel, is the hostap itself. It has been compiled without nl80011 support in debian -i do not know why-. |
| 16:01.18 | bsdbeard | when I boot my system the first grub is used |
| 16:01.20 | tastybuds | cd /debian-offtopic |
| 16:01.31 | bsdbeard | I just want to to have a menu option to chain load the other grub |
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| 16:02.12 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, so the first grub is on sda |
| 16:02.18 | bsdbeard | yep |
| 16:02.22 | ued6iy4M | is the second grub installed to sdb? |
| 16:02.29 | bsdbeard | yep |
| 16:02.34 | ued6iy4M | ie, can you tell the firmware to boot from sdb, and it works? |
| 16:02.40 | bsdbeard | uhh |
| 16:02.52 | bsdbeard | I could try |
| 16:03.29 | ued6iy4M | working would be loading the second grub menu |
| 16:03.47 | Brigo | ued6iy4M, http://www.jenssegers.be/blog/43/Realtek-RTL8188-based-access-point-on-Raspberry-Pi |
| 16:03.59 | tastybuds | Is there a problem if I have no display manager other than loading to shell each time? Will I be able to get a screensaver? |
| 16:04.23 | bsdbeard | tastybuds, no problem here, don't have a display manager |
| 16:04.49 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, i thought about adding the menu to the current grub, and try loading loading the other to see if it would work |
| 16:05.00 | bsdbeard | that seems like a simpler way |
| 16:05.20 | Brigo | tastybuds, and if you get in troubles, you can use "nodm" package to get ride of them |
| 16:05.47 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, does this look about right? http://termbin.com/eips |
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| 16:06.15 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, no, not quite |
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| 16:06.23 | tastybuds | Cause I uninstalled gnome and that got rid of gdm. It's kind of a faster boot now |
| 16:06.47 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, you want it to load the same way the firmware does |
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| 16:07.06 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, does your machine use BIOS or (U)EFI? |
| 16:07.06 | bsdbeard | how do I do that? |
| 16:07.10 | bsdbeard | BIOS |
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| 16:07.31 | ued6iy4M | in that case you want to chainload the MBR of sdb |
| 16:07.50 | bsdbeard | hmm |
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| 16:08.39 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I need xfburn 0.5 or later. Wheezy-backports doesn't have it and Wheezy's version is too old. So I built from source. The problem is that the application responds really slowly (about 5 seconds from click to action.) The older version in Wheezy responds quickly. What have I done wrong? |
| 16:09.09 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, alternatively, if the grub installer also puts a copy of the grub kernel patched with the location of the configuration files, you can chainload that instead |
| 16:09.50 | Pegasus_RPG | I do see a number of GTK "missing icon" errors when I run the app in a terminal |
| 16:11.58 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, you mean just put /boot/vmlinuz in the menuentry? |
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| 16:12.11 | ued6iy4M | ued6iy4M, no |
| 16:13.12 | ued6iy4M | ued6iy4M, is there a file named core.img under /boot/grub/ anywhere? |
| 16:13.21 | bsdbeard | no |
| 16:13.23 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, |
| 16:13.23 | Pegasus_RPG | I installed hicolor-icon-theme which resolved that error but the app is still slow to respond |
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| 16:13.46 | bsdbeard | oh wait there is |
| 16:13.54 | bsdbeard | in /boot/grub/i386-pic |
| 16:13.59 | bsdbeard | s/pic/pc |
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| 16:14.36 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, http://termbin.com/fknl |
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| 16:15.16 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1682253.html at February 8th, 2011, 12:20 PM |
| 16:15.43 | bsdbeard | ohh |
| 16:15.56 | bsdbeard | ohhhh |
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| 16:16.56 | bsdbeard | thanks ued6iy4M, I will try this now |
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| 16:18.53 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, core.img is the grub kernel (plus a few essential modules) that gets installed to the post-MBR gap and loaded by the MBR code |
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| 16:19.35 | bsdbeard | right, I remember you can make core.img without putting grub in the MBR |
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| 16:22.50 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, can I plug that in after ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/40_custom ### or it's best to add it to 40_custom and call grub-mkconfig? |
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| 16:39.57 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, 40_custom actually reads a separate config file if it exists |
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| 16:40.21 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, just create that file and put your extra menu items in there |
| 16:40.51 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, no need to run update-grub |
| 16:40.54 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, yep, just finished that, I supposed I run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub.cfg and hope for the best |
| 16:40.59 | bsdbeard | oh |
| 16:41.07 | tastybuds1 | I was fast to cheer |
| 16:41.09 | bsdbeard | no need, then I wont |
| 16:41.17 | tastybuds1 | I have no network after uninstalling gnome |
| 16:41.21 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, i think it is /boot/grub/custom.cfg or something like that |
| 16:41.38 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, if you take a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg you can see which file it tries to load |
| 16:41.49 | bsdbeard | ok |
| 16:42.01 | bsdbeard | I'm going to reboot now and hope all of this works, thanks for all the help! |
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| 16:42.12 | rtwdf | botnet disclosure report: http://pastebin.com/74UDe8mA check/clean your systems. Thank you. |
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| 16:45.48 | amin__ | any solution to this? http://paste.debian.net/141027/ |
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| 16:50.35 | mtn | amin__: please paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
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| 16:51.21 | SynrG | amin__: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 16:51.30 | SynrG | amin__: common problem currently on jessie or sid |
| 16:51.46 | SynrG | amin__: also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for jessie/sid support, as per channel topic. |
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| 16:52.30 | scoofy | does fuse / sshfs work without root? |
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| 16:53.15 | hikenboot | hi can anyone tell me why it doesnt like the command "" adduser --system --no-create-home --disable-login --ingroup geoclue geoclue"" without the quotes |
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| 16:53.52 | scoofy | i mounted dir 'wd' as root (because i couldn't as regular user) , and tihs is what I see on 'ls -l': http://paste.debian.net/141028/ |
| 16:54.02 | scoofy | my question: WTF is that d???????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? thing |
| 16:54.18 | scoofy | and why does sshfs not work if i am not root |
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| 16:54.40 | hikenboot | its directory with no permissions |
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| 16:54.59 | scoofy | then why does it display properly as root? |
| 16:55.00 | hikenboot | unknown user |
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| 16:55.19 | hikenboot | I think i means it a foeign account but you best wait for a better answer |
| 16:55.20 | scoofy | as root, i see: 'drwxr-xr-x- 1 root root 4096 ... wd' |
| 16:55.31 | scoofy | as root, it looks regular... |
| 16:55.33 | hikenboot | foreign |
| 16:55.37 | scoofy | what is 'foreign' |
| 16:55.46 | scoofy | i mean, i mounted that as root |
| 16:55.46 | hikenboot | unknown to the system |
| 16:55.48 | amin__ | mtn, http://paste.debian.net/141029/ |
| 16:55.51 | scoofy | how can 'root' be foreign |
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| 16:55.54 | scoofy | that's phucked up |
| 16:55.55 | scoofy | or a bug |
| 16:55.56 | scoofy | or both |
| 16:56.20 | hikenboot | best wait for a better answer from one of the gurus..I just come here with a lot of stupid questions |
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| 16:56.34 | amin__ | SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/141031/ |
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| 16:59.17 | scoofy | when trying to sshfs, I get: "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" |
| 16:59.24 | scoofy | but works as root. how is that possible? |
| 16:59.35 | scoofy | isn't FUSE supposed to mean, 'file system in USER space' ? |
| 16:59.57 | valdyn | scoofy: of course |
| 17:00.05 | valdyn | scoofy: what does one have to do with the other? |
| 17:00.11 | scoofy | why do i need to be root? |
| 17:00.21 | valdyn | scoofy: see what the error message said |
| 17:00.32 | scoofy | tried it on another computer, i don't get that error |
| 17:00.33 | scoofy | instead, it works |
| 17:00.37 | scoofy | as regular user |
| 17:00.42 | scoofy | non-root user |
| 17:00.49 | valdyn | scoofy: you should read up about permissions |
| 17:00.52 | valdyn | !permission denied |
| 17:00.58 | valdyn | hmm, no factoid ther |
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| 17:01.02 | valdyn | !permissions |
| 17:01.03 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 17:01.06 | scoofy | valdyn, can you explain this? http://paste.debian.net/141028/ |
| 17:01.17 | scoofy | what is that d??????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? thing |
| 17:01.29 | scoofy | i mounted that as root |
| 17:01.50 | valdyn | scoofy: sshfs doent work that way |
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| 17:02.02 | valdyn | scoofy: so its broken permissions ?????? |
| 17:02.13 | scoofy | ? |
| 17:02.14 | scoofy | what is that |
| 17:02.18 | scoofy | and how does it work then |
| 17:02.39 | valdyn | scoofy: sshfs cannot possibly supporte permissions, so you see ???? |
| 17:02.40 | scoofy | what is 'broken permissions' |
| 17:02.53 | valdyn | scoofy: it means sshfs cannot properly support permissions |
| 17:02.55 | scoofy | why do i see 'drwxr-xr-x- 1 root root 4096 ... wd' as root? |
| 17:03.07 | scoofy | instead? |
| 17:03.13 | valdyn | scoofy: probably because you mounted as root |
| 17:03.16 | scoofy | yes |
| 17:03.30 | scoofy | that's what i am asking - does that only work if i am root? |
| 17:03.32 | scoofy | i don't want that |
| 17:03.40 | valdyn | scoofy: i told you to read the error message |
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| 17:03.48 | scoofy | i did |
| 17:04.00 | tremon | scoofy: fuse mounts are only accessible by the user who mounted it. That's a consequence of it being in userspace |
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| 17:04.05 | valdyn | scoofy: and in sshfs you cannot mount as one user and expect to see proper permissions as another, because sshfs *cannot* support permissions |
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| 17:04.27 | salamisami | something is quite weirdly |
| 17:04.28 | scoofy | and can i mount it as non-root user? |
| 17:04.34 | valdyn | no its not a consquence of it being in user space |
| 17:04.41 | salamisami | when i try to connect to my wi-fi hotspot, it fails |
| 17:04.49 | valdyn | its a consequence of sshfs not being able to support permissions |
| 17:04.53 | scoofy | and can i mount it as non-root user? |
| 17:04.58 | salamisami | and when i try to connect to my mobile hotspot, it fails as well |
| 17:05.13 | salamisami | but - then it automatically connects to my asus hotspot and wifi begins working |
| 17:05.16 | mjt | abrotman: re multitouch touchscreen support: it looks like this device supports multitouch, it is just firefox^Wiceweasel who doesn't... ;) |
| 17:05.21 | salamisami | i have tried this many times already, it always goes like this |
| 17:05.39 | valdyn | scoofy: read the error message , the fix is plain obvious really, if its not you need to read what dpkg said about permissions |
| 17:05.52 | scoofy | valdyn, i can read the error message 5000 more times, it won't say anything else |
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| 17:05.55 | scoofy | it says "Permission denied" |
| 17:06.07 | scoofy | and my question is: "can i mount it as non-root user?" |
| 17:06.07 | valdyn | !fish |
| 17:06.08 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 17:06.37 | scoofy | so you don't want to answer my question. I see. |
| 17:06.40 | tremon | scoofy: it says more than just "permission denied", it also gives you the path that has the wrong permissions |
| 17:06.41 | scoofy | though you could |
| 17:06.43 | mjt | lol |
| 17:06.51 | valdyn | scoofy: youre supposed to conclude from "permission denied to /dev/fuse" that you need to fix your permissions or group memberships |
| 17:07.00 | scoofy | yes, that's what i am asking |
| 17:07.05 | scoofy | and you are speaking about fish. |
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| 17:07.19 | tremon | yeah, I prefer the fire one |
| 17:07.30 | scoofy | so WTF is that /dev/fuse at all |
| 17:07.32 | scoofy | first |
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| 17:07.39 | scoofy | and why does it need a permission |
| 17:07.43 | valdyn | scoofy: thats called a device node |
| 17:07.44 | scoofy | what i sthat? |
| 17:07.48 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, hey, I'm having some strange problems, it boots into the system, but then it says it can't mount /boot and throws me in an emergency environment (/ is mounted correctly though) |
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| 17:08.04 | scoofy | it says 'crw-rw---T 1 rot fuse ...' |
| 17:08.07 | scoofy | what is 'c' ? |
| 17:08.12 | scoofy | *root fuse |
| 17:08.15 | valdyn | scoofy: it means character device |
| 17:08.31 | valdyn | scoofy: now why dont you read the docs you got pointed to, im not going to explain each character |
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| 17:08.48 | scoofy | if you don't want to answer, that's fine |
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| 17:09.14 | scoofy | my next question would have been: 'how is that different from a block device' |
| 17:09.14 | nkuttler | if you don't want to learn, that's fine as well |
| 17:09.24 | scoofy | if you don't asnwer my question, that's fine as wel |
| 17:09.32 | scoofy | i want to learn ,that's why i ask |
| 17:09.37 | scoofy | if you haven't noticed |
| 17:09.40 | mjt | guys, please stop feeding a troll |
| 17:10.00 | scoofy | so that's how you help beginners. i see. |
| 17:10.04 | scoofy | RTFM |
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| 17:10.44 | nkuttler | !smart questions |
| 17:10.45 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 17:10.57 | tastybuds | Man I'm a beginner too. You're not right. |
| 17:10.58 | valdyn | beginners hardly ever troll |
| 17:11.08 | tremon | scoofy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_file#Character_devices |
| 17:11.17 | scoofy | tremon, thans. at least someone gives an actual answer |
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| 17:12.18 | scoofy | i don't understand something. how can this /dev/fuse file be a 'character device'? after all, it's supposed to be a virtual hard drive on another computer. |
| 17:12.40 | valdyn | !ops scoofy is obviously just trying to troll |
| 17:12.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: valdyn complains about: scoofy is obviously just trying to troll |
| 17:12.57 | scoofy | !ops I am actually trying to get help. |
| 17:12.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: scoofy complains about: I am actually trying to get help. |
| 17:13.14 | scoofy | OK, we can talk like that, if you prefer... |
| 17:13.41 | scoofy | so if someone can actually explain this to me, i am listening. |
| 17:13.46 | scoofy | fuse noob |
| 17:14.08 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, acknowledged |
| 17:14.08 | scoofy | so do I need a chmod ? or wtf |
| 17:14.47 | scoofy | man fuse says: "FUSE also aims to provide a secure method for non privileged users' |
| 17:14.57 | scoofy | so i guess that means: i shouldn't be able to do it only as root |
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| 17:15.53 | scoofy | no one ever tried to use sshfs/fuse as non-privileged user? i don't believe |
| 17:15.57 | scoofy | no one can help me? |
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| 17:16.50 | scoofy | any other irc channel recommended where someone could tell me how can i sshfs without being root? |
| 17:17.15 | scoofy | !ops valdyn is not helpful at all. |
| 17:17.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: scoofy complains about: valdyn is not helpful at all. |
| 17:17.40 | bsdbeard | brb |
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| 17:18.04 | mentor | scoofy: That's not a valid reason for calling the ops |
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| 17:18.16 | scoofy | sorry, i cannot undo it |
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| 17:19.28 | scoofy | so what i decipher from the link given to me: the difference between character device and block device is that block device is buffered, whereas char device isn't |
| 17:20.18 | timss | Hi. I'm getting "The following packages cannot be authenticated!" for iceweasel-beta from mozilla.debian.net. Appropriate keyring is installed, and looks to be ok. System is updated. What could be wrong here? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ee9bd63c/ |
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| 17:21.35 | TheQuestionmark | Huh... Iceweasel35 isn't avilable for Jessie yet? |
| 17:21.35 | scoofy | so do i need to chmod /dev/fuse? |
| 17:21.53 | scoofy | as that link that someone gave me about char devices, doesn't talk about fuse at all... |
| 17:22.38 | scoofy | 'crw-wrwT 1 root fuse' means the group this device belongs to, is 'fuse', i guess? so if i add myself to the group 'fuse', i can access it? |
| 17:23.08 | scoofy | i never did that so i have no idea how to do it |
| 17:23.10 | tremon | scoofy: yes. don't forget to logout and login after adding yourself to the group |
| 17:23.23 | scoofy | thanks. what command do i need to do that? |
| 17:23.28 | scoofy | to change group |
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| 17:24.22 | scoofy | sorry again, i am linux noob |
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| 17:24.26 | tremon | scoofy: adduser, see the last paragraph in the Description section of the man page |
| 17:24.37 | scoofy | thx, will read man page. |
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| 17:25.25 | tremon | btw, I didn't give you that link to answer your fuse question, but because you asked "how is that different from a block device" |
| 17:25.36 | timss | TheQuestionmark: Even if that were the case, I don't see why I should get that error. If you take a look at the package info it seems that the current version is 36 (I'm currently at 34). http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/experimental/iceweasel-beta/binary-amd64/Packages |
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| 17:26.29 | mentor | timss: Try installing the package manually with dpkg and see what it says? |
| 17:26.45 | tremon | timss: It can happen if you hit the mirror while it's being updated. In that case, it can be solved by waiting a while and retrying |
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| 17:27.27 | tremon | timss: otherwise, trying a different mirror or reinstalling the keyring package might help |
| 17:27.29 | Guest6622 | Hello |
| 17:27.48 | scoofy | ok, I did 'adduser scoofy fuse'. says now i am a member of group 'fuse'. |
| 17:27.59 | Guest6622 | I can't install the Pepper plugin for Chromium, could anybody help me? |
| 17:28.03 | scoofy | but when i try to sshfs, i still get: 'fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied.' |
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| 17:28.17 | scoofy | am i doing something wrong? |
| 17:28.25 | scoofy | (i did log out and back in from my DE) |
| 17:28.49 | Guest6622 | I searched a lot, but the codes don't work. |
| 17:29.05 | timss | mentor: thanks for the tip, but I'd like to continue using the intended installation method and not having to manually solve it like that. |
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| 17:29.20 | Guest6622 | I run Debian Wheezy i386 |
| 17:29.32 | tremon | scoofy: can you paste the output of id ? |
| 17:29.42 | timss | tremon: I see, didn't know about that. Seems the packages was changed yesterday (not sure about the timezone), so guess I'll give it a little time. |
| 17:29.43 | TheQuestionmark | timss, So, you're on the beta? I usually go with stable Iceweasel releases and here, it looks like the packages couldn't be found. |
| 17:29.48 | scoofy | tremon, sec, i didn't log out/back properly |
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| 17:30.12 | mentor | timss: If you're unwilling to do things to provide further information, I am simply not able to help you further |
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| 17:31.29 | timss | TheQuestionmark: That is correct, I'm using iceweasel beta. |
| 17:31.45 | TheQuestionmark | I see. |
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| 17:32.40 | timss | mentor: Sorry, that's not a problem, it's more so that I'm afraid of doing anything wrong and breaking my mozilla profile in an act of stupidness :) |
| 17:32.44 | scoofy | tremon, thanks for your help! it seems to be working fine now. all i needed is 'adduser scoofy use' |
| 17:32.48 | scoofy | fuse* |
| 17:33.09 | mentor | timss: The effect is the same, though |
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| 17:34.20 | scoofy | so.. question about fuse.... the fact that it is a 'c' - char device, it means that all writes are instant, and not buffered like a regular filesystem would buffer file writes? |
| 17:34.27 | Guest6622 | I can't install the Pepper plugin for Chromium, can someone help me? I searched a lot, but the codes don't work. I run Debian Wheezy i386 The following things don't work: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=114876 and http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/146434/chromium-doesnt-display-flash-in-debian-wheezy (error message: E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not avai |
| 17:35.40 | mtn | !debian-backports |
| 17:35.40 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 17:35.40 | mentor | scoofy: character devices are streams, block devices are random access, basically. |
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| 17:35.55 | scoofy | hm. but it's a mounted virtual device.... |
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| 17:35.58 | tremon | scoofy: well, yes and no. They're instant from the point of view from the kernel, meaning that every write gets delivered immediately to the fuse userspace daemon. However, that userspace daemon might do its own buffering, or writes its data to a real block device |
| 17:36.06 | scoofy | phyisically cold be anyhing underlying... depending on how it's implemented... |
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| 17:36.26 | scoofy | tremon, indeed. thanks for the clarification. |
| 17:37.00 | mentor | scoofy: "device" means the interface that is provided to the kernel |
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| 17:37.22 | scoofy | sure. it can be 'virtual', as in case with fuse |
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| 17:37.36 | scoofy | could be a ram disk |
| 17:38.13 | tremon | scoofy: the correct term is pseudo-device, it's mentioned in the wiki page |
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| 17:38.53 | l0p3n | If I press x <shift> ^ 2 I get x². Is it possible to insert subscripts using a similar key combination? |
| 17:39.28 | scoofy | tremon, reading the links |
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| 17:40.04 | tremon | l0p3n: that's cool. What fancy input layer lets you do that? |
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| 17:44.06 | timss | mentor: I gave it a shot anyway, but it didn't seem like dpkg cared about the signature. Is that a good thing..? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/36d95626/ |
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| 17:46.11 | l0p3n | tremon: No idea. I have lines including xim in .xinitrc, maybe that is what makes it possible? |
| 17:48.07 | tremon | timss: I'd say it's a mu thing. package signatures are handled by the repository, not the package itself. Since apt handles repositories and dpkg only handles packages, that's an expected outcome |
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| 17:48.37 | Guest6622 | Thanks, mtn! But I get the following now: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 17:48.55 | Guest6622 | Can I ignore that and restart the browser? |
| 17:49.14 | mtn | Guest6622: you should fix your sources.list |
| 17:49.27 | tremon | l0p3n: ah, that could be. I have no experience with it though (nor any other IM, for that matter) |
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| 17:50.25 | timss | tremon: I see, that makes sense. Thanks. Atleast I got v36 now :) |
| 17:50.44 | Guest6622 | mtn: http://pastebin.com/RVj7Gi0X - Whats wrong? |
| 17:51.05 | Guest6622 | O, I see :p |
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| 17:51.12 | Guest6622 | an enter |
| 17:51.15 | mtn | Guest6622: :) |
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| 17:54.21 | Guest6622 | mtc: I have fixed the list ( http://pastebin.com/X5mURDXm ) and I did sudo apt-get update, but I still see the error. |
| 17:54.26 | Guest6622 | mtn* |
| 17:55.08 | tremon | Guest6622: lines 19 and 20 refer to the same repository. Hence the "duplicate" warning |
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| 17:57.08 | Guest6622 | Thanks, termon! I am a bit confused today, sorry. |
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| 17:58.51 | Guest6622 | The errors are gone, thank you all! |
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| 17:59.48 | hikenboot | hi can anyone tell me why it doesnt like the command "" adduser --system --no-create-home --disable-login --ingroup geoclue geoclue"" without the quotes |
| 18:00.21 | OSVG | Does it give you an error message? |
| 18:00.57 | hikenboot | no it justs prints out the help |
| 18:01.17 | mentor | timss: Is there any error when you run an apt update? |
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| 18:01.34 | OSVG | hikenboot: Then one of your switches is incorrect. |
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| 18:02.42 | TheQuestionmark | Well... the beta releases did the job for me. |
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| 18:04.36 | timss | mentor: Nope, not with or without the appropriate lines from mozilla.debian.net in sources.list |
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| 18:10.08 | mentor | timss: Does apt-key show the relevant archive keys? |
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| 18:14.05 | timss | mentor: yup, the one in the bottom here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fed44907/ (apt-key list) |
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| 18:15.38 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, if you have a spare moment could you look at the log? http://termbin.com/5zlc |
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| 18:18.56 | mentor | timss: Check the hash of the .deb you downloaded against that in the packages file |
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| 18:20.07 | queso | How can I see what a virtual package actual points to? |
| 18:20.22 | CHVNX | apt-cache show package_name |
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| 18:20.48 | queso | CHVNX: N: Can't select versions from package 'python-profiler' as it is purely virtual |
| 18:20.51 | timss | mentor: It's the same (sha256). |
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| 18:21.28 | queso | I'm trying to figure out what Python package this would be on PyPI: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-profiler |
| 18:22.10 | CHVNX | apt-cache showpkg python-profiler |
| 18:22.18 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, i don't actually know systemd |
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| 18:22.56 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, I don't think it's a systemd problem per se, for some reason it mounts root, but can't mount /boot or /home so it drops me into the emergency console |
| 18:23.13 | queso | CHVNX: There doesn't seem to be much info available on it there. |
| 18:23.17 | queso | CHVNX: Thanks, though. |
| 18:23.22 | CHVNX | python-profiler 2.7.1-2 |
| 18:23.29 | CHVNX | You wanted the version, right? |
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| 18:23.41 | CHVNX | My repos show python-profiler 2.7.1-2 for testing. |
| 18:23.42 | queso | CHVNX: I want to know what the python package name would be for this in PyPI |
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| 18:23.58 | queso | CHVNX: There's no URL or anything for the origin of the source or project. |
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| 18:24.32 | hikenboot | OSVG your right I did in fact get one of the switches wrong |
| 18:24.44 | CHVNX | queso: Almost certainly one of these: https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=profiler&submit=search |
| 18:24.56 | queso | CHVNX: For example, apt-cache show python-tz give me Homepage: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytz/ |
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| 18:25.22 | queso | CHVNX: Right, but that's a big list :) |
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| 18:26.42 | CHVNX | Well, I see a reverse dependancy is django related, and the top package is |
| 18:26.52 | CHVNX | By weight, anyway. |
| 18:27.01 | CHVNX | django-live-profiler 0.0.9 |
| 18:27.08 | mentor | timss: Is there actually a signed Release file for the mozilla repo. on your computer? |
| 18:27.10 | queso | Alright, I'll give that a shot. Thanks |
| 18:27.15 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, i don't understand why, but then again i can't see your configs. what are the contents of /etc/fstab on the system which is not booting properly? |
| 18:27.16 | CHVNX | django-profiler 2.0.0 is a few down, too. |
| 18:27.31 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, http://termbin.com/5ilz |
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| 18:29.23 | queso | CHVNX: That one can be used with "ordinary python code," I bet that one's it. Thx |
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| 18:30.02 | timss | mentor: are you referring to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring.gpg ? In that case, yes. It is installed using the 'pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring' package. |
| 18:30.51 | mentor | timss: No, I am referring to a Release file from the mozilla package repository |
| 18:31.05 | mentor | timss: apt downloads them to /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 18:31.05 | Geo | Hi, is there anything special to get a script to run from rc.local ? In cubox (debian deriv) I put echo "hi" in, and it doesn't display when I log in |
| 18:31.10 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, okay, so root is on lvm, is home on the same lvm volume? is any volume encryption involved (luks)? |
| 18:31.53 | SynrGy | Geo: first, you're in the wrong place for help with cubox. second, rc.local doesn't happen "when you log in", but when the system boots. and third, make sure it's *before* any "exit" statement |
| 18:31.53 | bsdbeard | no LUKS, yes home is there, but even if I remove home from /etc/fstab it's the same problems |
| 18:31.59 | SynrGy | !cubox |
| 18:32.11 | Geo | SynrG: gotcha. it is indeed befoer the exit 0 |
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| 18:32.25 | Geo | I also have some netcat listeners that arent starting |
| 18:32.39 | SynrGy | i don't know where the cubox support channel is. dpkg bot doesn't seem to know. |
| 18:32.53 | SynrGy | i guess #cubox here on freenode |
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| 18:35.08 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, what indicates that root is mounted okay? |
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| 18:35.38 | Geo | thanks |
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| 18:36.20 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, well all the files are there and writeable/readable |
| 18:36.56 | timss | mentor: Ah. Yes, there is. I tend to remove the relevant entries from /etc/apt/sources.list (http://paste.debian.net/141040/) after I'm done installing though. Might be a silly thing to do, it's mostly out of habit so I don't update iceweasel when I don't want to. The result is that there is only a release file there when the sources are added, and gets removed by `apt-get update` after removal. |
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| 18:38.46 | mentor | timss: Is there a Release.gpg as well? |
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| 18:41.51 | timss | mentor: Nope, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8a9d489d/ |
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| 18:42.23 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, where did the kernel and ramdisk being booted come from? |
| 18:42.33 | mentor | timss: There should be a corresponding mozilla.debian.net_dists_experimental_Release.gpg file |
| 18:43.02 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, Initially they were on another box, I rsynced them to a hdd, brought this hdd to this box, plugged it in and now it doesn't fully work for whatever reason |
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| 18:45.12 | timss | mentor: There are no other gpg files in the same directory though, and I've only experienced problems with iceweasel (as of today). Is mozilla.debian.net special in some way? |
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| 18:45.45 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, okay, maybe the initrd is not configured properly for the new system. did the old system use lvm as well? |
| 18:46.02 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, yes, both use lvm |
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| 18:46.38 | mentor | timss: The newer style InRelease files have the signature included. |
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| 18:47.14 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, are you able to enable debug in the initrd to get more info? should be a matter of adding 'debug' to the kernel command line which can be done from the grub menu |
| 18:47.34 | timss | mentor: Oh, I didn't notice there was a difference. |
| 18:47.47 | bsdbeard | ued6iy4M, i can chroot into the system and do whatever |
| 18:47.53 | mentor | timss: OK, I've just looked in the actual repository, the experimental dist is not signed |
| 18:47.56 | ued6iy4M | bsdbeard, no need to chroot |
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| 18:48.30 | mentor | timss: Neither is wheezy-backports, but squeeze backports is |
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| 18:49.20 | jasabella | hi |
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| 18:50.06 | timss | mentor: Interesting. I've successfully installed iceweasel (beta) from that repo for a long time and can't remember getting that error before. Maybe a slip when the repo was updated..? |
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| 18:50.27 | mentor | timss: That would be the most likely situation |
| 18:50.38 | mentor | timss: I'm sure it's not the NSA |
| 18:50.42 | timss | :) |
| 18:50.46 | PinkFreud | hey all. i appear to be having a bizarre issue with apt-get on wheezy. |
| 18:51.34 | PinkFreud | libavcodec-dev : Depends: libavcodec54 (= 8:1.0.10-dmo1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:51.34 | timss | mentor: well now I've already installed the .deb using dpkg so hopefully I'm not a part of the NSA botnet |
| 18:51.34 | PinkFreud | oddly, I have libavcodec54 8:1.0.10-dmo1 installed. |
| 18:51.40 | PinkFreud | dpkg -l happily reports as much to me. |
| 18:51.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching happily reports as much to me. |
| 18:51.47 | jasabella | hi, i'm tryiing to setup persistence with a debian live usb key... and i cant seem to get it to work even though i'm following the instructions |
| 18:52.14 | PinkFreud | so - how does one go about convincing apt-get that the package it so desparately wants is already installed? |
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| 18:52.25 | mentor | timss: You can at least retroactively check the hash |
| 18:53.04 | timss | mentor: True. |
| 18:54.12 | PinkFreud | scratches his head |
| 18:54.19 | PinkFreud | this looks like one hell of a bug in apt |
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| 18:54.22 | jasabella | PinkFreud: are you sure it's installed? did you satisfy the version requirement? platform? |
| 18:54.47 | jasabella | same name isn't the only thing that apt checks |
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| 18:55.29 | PinkFreud | jasabella: completely certain. |
| 18:55.44 | PinkFreud | ii libavcodec54:amd64 8:1.0.10-dmo1 amd64 Library to encode decode multimedia streams - runtime files. |
| 18:55.51 | PinkFreud | unless dpkg is lying to me. |
| 18:56.18 | PinkFreud | ... which it had better not be, as I just installed it. |
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| 18:56.50 | jasabella | probably wont help but does aptitude why or whynot say anything useful? |
| 18:57.43 | PinkFreud | Unable to find a reason to install libavcodec-dev. |
| 18:57.53 | PinkFreud | (because I asked it to?) |
| 18:57.55 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 18:58.57 | jasabella | try removing and reinstalling? heh |
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| 18:59.12 | jasabella | i dontknow :) |
| 18:59.13 | PinkFreud | i just installed it. |
| 18:59.23 | PinkFreud | yeah. i'm thinking apt-get is broken here. |
| 18:59.27 | valdyn | !dmo |
| 18:59.28 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 18:59.34 | valdyn | PinkFreud: ^^ |
| 18:59.43 | PinkFreud | valdyn: yep. i'm aware. |
| 18:59.54 | jasabella | too poor in quality, ouch |
| 18:59.57 | valdyn | PinkFreud: dmo versioning breaks debian |
| 19:00.05 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
| 19:00.28 | valdyn | PinkFreud: you probably dont really need dmo anyway |
| 19:00.53 | timss | mentor: What do you suggest should be done? Wait for the next release and see if anything is changed, and if not use mozilla.debian.net's mailing list <pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> ? |
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| 19:01.08 | PinkFreud | this is the first time I've had an issue installing dmo packages, though. |
| 19:01.11 | mentor | timss: Report the bug, now. |
| 19:01.53 | PinkFreud | valdyn: I've found his newer libav packages tend to be a bit better quality, despite what dpkg has for dmo :) |
| 19:02.27 | PinkFreud | !dmm pinning |
| 19:02.27 | dpkg | To ensure that you only get the packages you really want from deb-multimedia.org, «echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin "www.deb-multimedia.org"\nPin-Priority: 101' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/dmm». Check this worked with «apt-cache policy» or «apt-cache policy $package». Ask me about <why not dmm>. If you also use backports, you should pin them higher than dmm. |
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| 19:09.55 | timss | mentor: Will do. Thanks for the help by the way! |
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| 19:14.36 | rryoumaa | if bsdtar and unar cannot unarchive a .rar file can anything? |
| 19:14.48 | jerrcs | yes |
| 19:15.17 | jelly | rryoumaa: rar itself. |
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| 19:15.48 | rryoumaa | s/anything/anything in debian/ |
| 19:15.51 | kruug | can't 7z also unrar? |
| 19:15.54 | rryoumaa | inb4 unrar-nonfree evendoes not |
| 19:16.43 | jelly | rryoumaa: nothing in Debian, but there's rar in non-free |
| 19:16.43 | jelly | ,v rar |
| 19:16.43 | judd | Package: rar on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; sid/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; jessie-multimedia/non-free: 2:5.2.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 2:5.2.0-dmo1 |
| 19:18.07 | rryoumaa | btw unrar seems to install a gnustep daemon. i wonder why. |
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| 19:19.27 | kruug | rryoumaa: what about p7zip-rar ? |
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| 19:20.12 | kruug | ,v p7zip-rar |
| 19:20.13 | judd | Package: p7zip-rar on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 9.04~ds.1-1; sid/non-free: 9.20.1~ds.1-3; jessie/non-free: 9.20.1~ds.1-3; wheezy/non-free: 9.20.1~ds.1-3 |
| 19:20.23 | rryoumaa | kruug: thanks. that's non-free it seems. :( |
| 19:20.42 | kruug | oh, are you keeping your install RMS-compatible? |
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| 19:21.52 | rryoumaa | well, so far anyway |
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| 19:22.21 | rryoumaa | just a shame to unrms over a silly little .rar, that's all |
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| 19:22.58 | rryoumaa | (i do make an exception for e.g. those info manuals that gnu thinks are free and debian thinks are not free) |
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| 19:23.43 | kruug | rryoumaa: that's because rar is non-free |
| 19:23.59 | rryoumaa | nuke 'em 'til they glow |
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| 19:24.07 | kruug | you won't find anything to unrar that's free |
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| 19:43.18 | kruug | I'm looking to see which of my video files are HD and which ones are not. Is there a way, using avconv or something, to list the file name and the resolution of all video files in a directory (and recurse if possible)? |
| 19:43.28 | kruug | Ideally, I'd be able to output this to a txt file or something |
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| 19:44.22 | ctmjr | ,v mediainfo |
| 19:44.23 | judd | Package: mediainfo on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 0.7.41-0.0; wheezy: 0.7.58-1; jessie: 0.7.70-1; sid: 0.7.70-1; experimental: 0.7.72-1 |
| 19:44.52 | mjt | file(1) does that too :) |
| 19:44.56 | mjt | for some files anyway |
| 19:45.07 | mjt | find <directory> -exec file {} + |
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| 19:45.52 | kruug | mjt: your "find <directory>... |
| 19:45.57 | kruug | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:46.25 | mjt | works for me (tm) |
| 19:46.38 | kruug | here's what I'm getting: './Movies/Top Secret (1984).mp4: ISO Media, MP4 Base Media v1 [IS0 14496-12:2003]' |
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| 19:46.52 | mjt | < mjt> for some files anyway |
| 19:47.14 | mjt | so it does not decode mp4 headers as good as avi headers. |
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| 19:47.21 | kruug | no resolution info. |
| 19:47.30 | kruug | but, let me look into mediainfo quick |
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| 19:53.37 | kruug | ctmjr: Does that do it batch? Like, I give it a directory, and it scans every file in there? |
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| 19:54.31 | cc_INC | Hi guys, good evening. Does anybody know when the latest version of LMMS will be packaged for Debian? |
| 19:55.03 | mtn | cc_INC: https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html might help |
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| 19:56.13 | cc_INC | Thanks mtn |
| 19:56.30 | cc_INC | Much appreciated. I'll have a look-see |
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| 19:58.21 | ctmjr | kruug: check out the man page but yes you can give it multible files or a dir |
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| 20:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions lmms |
| 20:02.41 | judd | Package: lmms on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4.7-2; wheezy: 0.4.10-2.3; jessie: 1.0.3-5; sid: 1.0.3-5 |
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| 20:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | cc_INC, what is the feature you're looking for and at what version does it come in |
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| 20:12.37 | minnesotags | I have been using ssh/putty for administering my non-graphical debian VMs for so long I have no idea how to do it another way. I am looking at trying i3 windows manager. What is the lowest footprint session to use for remote sessions? VNC? RDP? |
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| 20:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | minnesotags, ssh+shell :) |
| 20:13.40 | shay_shay | You said non-graphical |
| 20:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | minnesotags, I mean.. stays the lowest-footprint thing |
| 20:14.16 | teraflops | i3 is lightweight ... if you dont bloat with silly things i suppose |
| 20:14.16 | shay_shay | ssh -X is my recommendation if you need to run a GUI app on the server |
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| 20:14.31 | valdyn | minnesotags: you cant run ion without X... vnc or rdp are both infinitely smaller -> their footprint does not matter |
| 20:14.33 | shay_shay | For example my raspberry pi needs to run arduino IDE |
| 20:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | shay_shay, that won't work well if he's using windows+putty to ssh in |
| 20:15.06 | shay_shay | CutMeOwnThroat: x from cgywin |
| 20:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | minnesotags, what are you trying to accomplish that needs graphics on a remote vm? |
| 20:15.20 | minnesotags | No. It won't work at all if I use windows and putty to ssh in... ;-) |
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| 20:15.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | shay_shay, yeah... that is so simple and low-footprint |
| 20:15.31 | valdyn | minnesotags: do you need a local display too? |
| 20:15.33 | shay_shay | minnesotags: wrkng |
| 20:15.39 | shay_shay | Wrong |
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| 20:15.48 | jasabella | hi |
| 20:15.54 | teraflops | minnesotags: yesterday someone said just launch a xterm on the .xinitrc is that lihghtweight enough for you? :P |
| 20:16.11 | shay_shay | It works fine I have to use windows at work and I use ssh -X |
| 20:16.27 | shay_shay | It even works to OSX |
| 20:16.47 | jasabella | why am i getting "no such directory" and "no such file" when trying to boot debian live cd persistently? i get a kernelpanic as a result |
| 20:16.48 | teraflops | not for non cocoa apps isnt it? |
| 20:17.03 | minnesotags | putty has an option for a graphical window over ssh? |
| 20:17.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh -X is crap anyway because the x11 protocol is crap for remote connections... still, xwindows<->xwindows at least it's simple |
| 20:17.26 | jasabella | tunneling X over SSH? |
| 20:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | minnesotags, not as such... |
| 20:17.45 | teraflops | no is not crap may be your connection is crap |
| 20:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | minnesotags, what do you need it for? |
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| 20:18.22 | jasabella | any assistance would be appreciated :) |
| 20:18.23 | shay_shay | Over the internet if the destination has symmetrical fiber connection it will be responsive as heck |
| 20:18.25 | minnesotags | For one thing, I often find myself opening multiple ssh instances. |
| 20:18.26 | teraflops | if you use 200/200 then ssh -X goes fine |
| 20:18.31 | shay_shay | Over LAN its always good |
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| 20:19.45 | valdyn | minnesotags: you *really* want to use a vm and/or a cross compiler. That would be much faster |
| 20:19.56 | minnesotags | For another use case, there are some multi-media things I would like to do on my servers which host, for example ampache. This is much easier with a local GUI rather than mapping network drives. |
| 20:20.33 | minnesotags | These are debian VM servers on a remote ESXi host. |
| 20:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | minnesotags, "screen" would have the lowest footprint for running multiple shells :) |
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| 20:21.14 | minnesotags | Yes. I use screen. |
| 20:21.27 | teraflops | minnesotags: why not use spice then? |
| 20:22.15 | minnesotags | I would like to use i3. You know, just for grins. Any one use on remote VM debian servers? |
| 20:22.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | minnesotags, apart from that, VNC is probably the most practical... last I remember there was no server in debian offering rdp, only a client to remote-view windows machines |
| 20:22.51 | minnesotags | Alright. Thanks CutMeOwnThroat. |
| 20:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jasabella, there is a separate channel #debian-live over on on irc.debian.org, where you might get more response to that question |
| 20:23.27 | teraflops | minnesotags: i use spice when I need X on the vms? or just virtualizing desktops |
| 20:23.44 | teraflops | not "?" |
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| 20:25.05 | minnesotags | teraflops: thanks! |
| 20:25.41 | teraflops | its kvm in my case but i think it is supprted in vsphere too |
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| 21:43.07 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I have a Microsoft Laser Mouse. It came with software which would let me know when the batteries were low. Does Debian have software somewhere which would do the same thing? I'd like to know when my mouse is dying. |
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| 21:49.13 | Epakai | Lady_Aleena: there is the solaar app, i've never used it and can't guess how up to date it would be in debian |
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| 21:49.35 | Epakai | that may be logitech specific though |
| 21:49.46 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks Epakai. |
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| 22:12.45 | DK-HaZe | I have some trouble making my NAS station automount to a parth, Ive made this fstab, can anyone tell me what I've done wronge? transmission does not write to NAS system. "//10.0.0.16/download /media/download/ cifs pi,uid=1000,gid=110,credentials=/home/pi/credentials,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 0//10.0.0.16/complete /media/complete/ cifs pi,uid=1000,gid=110,credentials=/home/pi/credentials, |
| 22:12.46 | DK-HaZe | iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 0 |
| 22:12.46 | DK-HaZe | " |
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| 22:16.22 | Brigo | DK-HaZe, automount to a parth? |
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| 22:17.22 | RuBiK9 | !ping |
| 22:17.22 | dpkg | Sorry rubik9, you're not online. |
| 22:17.48 | RuBiK9 | oki |
| 22:18.28 | DK-HaZe | Brigo: isnt that what it does? when I mount for example //10.0.0.16/download to /media/download ? |
| 22:18.33 | cc_INC | <CutMeOwnThroat> I am using Debian Sid the version that I get is LMMS 1.0.3 but a newer version was released. I was wondering when that will be available in SId. Thanks. |
| 22:18.55 | Brigo | DK-HaZe, did you mean path? |
| 22:19.15 | DK-HaZe | i think so |
| 22:19.22 | DK-HaZe | or folder |
| 22:20.05 | jhutchins | cc_INC: If you need packages newer than sid you need to build them yourself. |
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| 22:20.46 | Brigo | DK-HaZe, I have never used cifs, but has it mounted ok? |
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| 22:21.51 | jhutchins | DK-HaZe: ls -ld /media/download |
| 22:21.52 | DK-HaZe | no thats the problem, I'm not sure it does, and when i try transmission it write to the internal hard drive instead of writing to the NAS system |
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| 22:23.13 | jhutchins | DK-HaZe: Then it's not mounted. Try creating files on it with something else (touch /media/download/foo |
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| 22:25.06 | w00y_ | hi, is there anything more powerful than setfacl? |
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| 22:26.10 | DK-HaZe | jhutchins it does not write to the NAS, just in the local folder :S |
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| 22:26.27 | DK-HaZe | the fstab line, whats wrong with it then ? |
| 22:26.34 | jhutchins | DK-HaZe: Then the nas is not mounted. |
| 22:26.47 | DK-HaZe | hmm |
| 22:26.47 | jhutchins | DK-HaZe: Does the mount command show it mounted? |
| 22:27.08 | DK-HaZe | no |
| 22:28.16 | jhutchins | DK-HaZe: You can try mounting it with the -v option (mount -v /media/download) and see if it says anything interesting. |
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| 22:28.53 | tpo | "unshare --mount" doesn't seem to influence mount visibility on my system ("normal jessie"). I.e. this example: http://blog.endpoint.com/2012/01/linux-unshare-m-for-per-process-private.html doesn't work here. That is where the text says "Afterward, in another terminal", there I *can* see the filesystem mounted in a different NS. I don't understand why. |
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| 22:30.26 | tpo | Does that example run for anybody running jessie? Is there something else I need to do to make mounts in a different mount NS invisible to other NS? |
| 22:30.37 | tpo | s/run/work/ |
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| 22:31.16 | jhutchins | tpo: I don't know why you would ever mess with that. |
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| 22:32.30 | rebauld | tpo what does NS mean? |
| 22:32.49 | tpo | rebauld, namespace (sorry) |
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| 22:33.37 | tpo | jhutchins, my idea: make a new NS, mount / readonly there and mount a tmpfs over /home/myself and then I should be able to execute programs (such as chromium or firefox) there without any previous state available to them |
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| 22:34.11 | rebauld | invisible by not showing when run mount? |
| 22:34.45 | rebauld | is this a job for .... selinux? |
| 22:35.07 | rebauld | ^^^ first ever positive mention of selinux for 10 years |
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| 22:36.14 | tpo | rebauld, no, I want to have my system, as it is but for some programs, I want to have a clean, empty $HOME just for a session |
| 22:37.12 | tpo | so I'd like to mount an empty tmpfs over $HOME, but have that so only for particular apps |
| 22:37.13 | rebauld | make a 'user' with /sbin/nologin?? |
| 22:37.37 | tpo | rebauld, I don't want to create and delete new users |
| 22:38.02 | tpo | rebauld, does the example there: http://blog.endpoint.com/2012/01/linux-unshare-m-for-per-process-private.html work for you |
| 22:38.03 | tpo | ? |
| 22:38.29 | tpo | it's just some random example. There are others but they don't work for me either. |
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| 22:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | cc_INC, only the maintainer knows that... but as jessie has been frozen, anything new that isn't a bugfix is only likely to turn up in sid after jessie has been released as stable. for more info /msg dpkg slushy |
| 22:39.39 | tpo | There's something broken (unshare? systemd?) respectively not working as all the man pages say so, but being a newbie on that subject I'm lost |
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| 22:40.41 | rebauld | interesting - i've added it to my bucketlist ;) |
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| 22:41.06 | ni291187 | hmm |
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| 22:44.44 | tremon | tpo: works for me, on wheezy (7.8) |
| 22:45.06 | rebauld | tremon: you just followed the man page and that link he gave? |
| 22:45.13 | tremon | only the link |
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| 22:45.33 | rebauld | thanks good to know - it does look interesting |
| 22:45.43 | tremon | too bad unshare requires root |
| 22:47.27 | tpo | tremo, there are other solutions like linux-user-chroot, but that requires lxc |
| 22:47.43 | tpo | s/tremo/tremon/ sorry |
| 22:47.49 | BeRoots | Hi :) |
| 22:47.51 | BeRoots | I have a problem with bash script on debian. http://paste.debian.net/141070/ |
| 22:47.52 | BeRoots | If i attempt to tip * for path name, i have three error "./myscript.sh: line 16: [: too many conditions" |
| 22:47.54 | BeRoots | If anyone have an idea ;) |
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| 22:48.55 | tremon | tpo: it doesn't work on my jessie desktop, which rules out systemd as the cause; I'm still running sysvinit |
| 22:49.56 | rebauld | echo 'What path do you search?' |
| 22:49.57 | tpo | tremon, aye! That's a good datapoint, thanks! So maybe unshare is broken. |
| 22:50.13 | rebauld | -> echo -n 'What path do you search? : ' :) |
| 22:51.11 | tremon | tpo: scratch that, I forgot to run unshare -m when testing on my jessie. It still works for me then |
| 22:52.36 | rebauld | BeRoots: isn't the = suppose to be == |
| 22:53.29 | rebauld | and use " instead of ' and there is #bash who lub bash scripts that don't work ... unless you can get help here |
| 22:53.39 | tpo | BeRoots, quote $path in the condition. I.e. : "$path" |
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| 22:54.44 | BeRoots | rebauld: i have testing == and ["$path"=='*'] but same errors |
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| 22:55.11 | rebauld | use \* ? |
| 22:55.15 | tpo | BeRoots, here it works quoted |
| 22:55.44 | rebauld | i didn't way "$path" i meant around the '*' |
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| 22:56.58 | rebauld | your path is alway '' |
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| 22:58.02 | rebauld | read the path first in the while loop then test and exit? |
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| 22:59.26 | BeRoots | tpo: with this syntax: [ "$path"='*' ] ? |
| 23:00.40 | rebauld | paste you pastebin in #bash they will feast on it |
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| 23:01.36 | BeRoots | ok ;) thanks |
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| 23:03.11 | rebauld | hey cook i'm not banned there any more ;) |
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| 23:06.55 | jhutchins | I don't think * is valid for path. Also, $PATH. |
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| 23:07.32 | xreal | Ubuntu server use a timer interupt with 100 Hz, Desktop does 250 Hz. What about Debian Wheezy? |
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| 23:08.42 | Komanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.47 | Komanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.50 | Komanda | with |
| 23:08.55 | Komanda | wc -l awk '!seen[$0]++' clean.txt |
| 23:09.00 | Komanda | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.14 | mentor | xreal: All linux-image packages ship with the config file |
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| 23:09.37 | xreal | mentor: so I have to look it up on my own? |
| 23:09.52 | mentor | xreal: I don't happen to know offhand |
| 23:10.06 | xreal | mentor: no prob |
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| 23:10.36 | xreal | Ah, there's a normal and a linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 Realtime kernel! |
| 23:10.48 | xreal | So I bet, "rt" is like Ubuntu |
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| 23:11.55 | jhutchins | xreal: No, ubuntu does not default to a realtime kernel, although one is available. |
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| 23:12.21 | xreal | jhutchins: the server has preemption disabled and timer interupt set to 100 Hz. |
| 23:12.41 | xreal | jhutchins: it also uses deadline scheduler insteadt of CFQ |
| 23:13.18 | Shadow_7 | but probably still defaults to a swappiness of 60 |
| 23:13.47 | xreal | Shadow_7: I didn't swap for 6 years now :) |
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| 23:14.18 | Shadow_7 | xreal: /tmp/ is sort of the new swap. And swappiness favors HDD i/o over ram |
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| 23:14.49 | jhutchins | Shadow_7: THat's extremely inaccurate, and this has drifted off topic. |
| 23:15.31 | Shadow_7 | jhutchins: probably, but a lower swappiness gives a more responsive system |
| 23:15.35 | rebauld | jhutchins: he is getting reamed in #bash ;) |
| 23:16.19 | Komanda | how do i count unique lines per second written to a textfile? |
| 23:16.25 | Shadow_7 | which is sort of the goal of low latency / rt kernels |
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| 23:17.27 | rebauld | Komanda: you posting that into every channel i am in? |
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| 23:18.18 | Komanda | rebauld: i'm stalking you |
| 23:18.28 | rebauld | i didn |
| 23:18.44 | rebauld | t think that - just admiring the fine choice of channels you choose ;) |
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| 23:24.41 | cc_INC | Thanks <jhutchins> |
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| 23:25.48 | xreal | Shadow_7: I've added an "emergancy" swap file... |
| 23:25.50 | xreal | emergency |
| 23:26.04 | cc_INC | Cheers <CutMeOwnThroat> |
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| 23:32.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Komanda, don't cross-post everything you ask here and in #bash... and #bash is the better place to ask what you're asking, although it seems a bit quiet at this time of day/night |
| 23:32.24 | xreal | jhutchins: What do you think? Is Debian more like UBuntu Server or Desktop? |
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| 23:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | xreal, wrong question. and wrong place to ask. ubuntu is a derivative of debian, not the other way around. |
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| 23:46.23 | xreal | CutMeOwnThroat: since Debian claims to be useable on servers and desktops, I wonder, which "middle way" was chosen here. |
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| 23:50.02 | CheckDavid | Which one should I choose ? https://i.imgur.com/hc22O2a.jpg |
| 23:50.11 | xreal | I think, I'll start to use Ubuntu LTS now. Debian community didn't convince me to keep using it. |
| 23:50.23 | CheckDavid | Oh I want the wireless one |
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| 23:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | xreal, that's a relief |
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| 23:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 23:54.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 23:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should have suggested gentoo to him |
| 23:56.13 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think he was open to suggestion. |
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| 23:56.49 | osram | Gentoo solves all problems :D |
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| 23:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do they think we want to convince them to use debian... I'm not a fucking employee of anything |
| 23:57.58 | flyingspork | hey, i'm trying to configure my network from command line, but i must have put something incorrectly, and now my computer hangs at boot after No DHCPOFFERS recieved. Is there any way to skip this part of the boot process? |
| 23:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | flyingspork, ctrl-C or patience... |
| 23:58.46 | trampel | why would it 'hang' for only not receiving any dhcp offers? |
| 23:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure ctrl-c works... it seemed to have some time in the past |
| 23:59.07 | flyingspork | i tried ctrl-c, ctrl-x, and ctrl-z. none of them work |
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| 23:59.30 | flyingspork | and, i don't know, is just stops after no working leases in persistent database - sleepign |
| 23:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you mean for ever? |
| 23:59.42 | jhutchins | Depends entirely on what's hanging. |
| 23:59.43 | flyingspork | yeah |
| 23:59.51 | rebauld | comment out the dhcp on boot? |
| 23:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought there's just a pause you wanted to skip |
