| 00:00.05 | flyingspork | nah, it just stops |
| 00:00.07 | rebauld | /etc/network/devices? |
| 00:00.21 | flyingspork | how can i access that before it boots? |
| 00:00.40 | jhutchins | flyingspork: Live boot, or rescue mode. |
| 00:00.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it may well be something else... |
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| 00:01.02 | CheckDavid | What's this? https://i.imgur.com/NPGwNkF.jpg |
| 00:01.11 | CheckDavid | And then it fails |
| 00:01.37 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: How about a text description? |
| 00:01.54 | rebauld | get a wireless router that gives you an ip with dhcp |
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| 00:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | CheckDavid, looks like trying to connect with wireless... but why would that "may take some time" |
| 00:02.26 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: failure of key exchange and association |
| 00:02.46 | Shadow_7 | CheckDavid: or mariots wifi jammer |
| 00:02.49 | CheckDavid | Not sure why it would say that CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:03.11 | CheckDavid | rebauld: now I need another router? |
| 00:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | flyingspork, you could try to give the boot option init=/bin/bash (that executes bash instead of init, which means *nothing* is started, so you have to manually re-mount / to read-write and back) |
| 00:03.28 | CheckDavid | Shadow_7: oh what's that? |
| 00:03.44 | flyingspork | ok, how do i give boot options? |
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| 00:04.21 | Shadow_7 | CheckDavid: a motel in usa that got a 600k FCC fine for doing bad things |
| 00:04.28 | CheckDavid | OK so apparently I won't be able to get wireless on my laptop on ian? |
| 00:04.31 | CheckDavid | Debian |
| 00:04.57 | CheckDavid | Shadow_7: I heard about that. Not sure how it relates though :o |
| 00:05.09 | CheckDavid | Oh I get it. A simple joke hehe |
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| 00:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | flyingspork, probably hit tab during boot so that it stops and gives you choice of kernels... but I think you can also just choose rescue-mode then, then some things at least start up |
| 00:05.28 | trampel | CheckDavid: you're using wireless to install Debian, yes? |
| 00:05.41 | CheckDavid | trampel: trying to |
| 00:06.22 | trampel | so you probably (maybe) will be able to get wireless on your laptop eventually. but you have to give the installer a good password to a good wireless access |
| 00:06.38 | CheckDavid | Good? |
| 00:06.47 | CheckDavid | Good password and good wireless? |
| 00:06.55 | trampel | if you're lazy (like me) you'll drop the security on your wireless router for the duration of your install |
| 00:07.20 | Shadow_7 | I had to do my initial install on another machine to have a working wifi (firmware, plus newer kernel and github driver). |
| 00:07.34 | CheckDavid | I remember doing that because I had a Linux which had problems with WPA and wep |
| 00:07.41 | CheckDavid | Or just wpa |
| 00:07.42 | Shadow_7 | debootstrap and bootable usb is good for that thing |
| 00:07.56 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Yeah, installers didn't use to support wpa. |
| 00:07.58 | Shadow_7 | eventually I broke down and got an apple usb to ethernet device |
| 00:08.43 | CheckDavid | So what if o install through Ethernet cable? |
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| 00:08.55 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: That usually works pretty well. |
| 00:08.55 | CheckDavid | Will be be able to easily connect through WiFi after installation? |
| 00:09.02 | CheckDavid | *I be |
| 00:09.15 | flyingspork | CutMeOwnThroat, so i'm at the startup menu. should i edit the startup params, and add the init=/bin/bash there? |
| 00:09.22 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: You should be able to get enough of a system from the netinstall to continue manually even if you don't get networking * |
| 00:09.29 | jhutchins | * have not done it myself. |
| 00:09.40 | CheckDavid | Manually? |
| 00:09.58 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: As opposed to the installer building a complete desktop environment. |
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| 00:10.34 | trampel | CheckDavid: after install, try a network manager like wicd and you should be able to 'easily' connect |
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| 00:12.26 | CheckDavid | jhutchins: why would I not want a complete desktop environment? |
| 00:12.27 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: Note that since squeeze NetworkManager is more reliable than wicd. |
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| 00:12.52 | trampel | ymmv |
| 00:13.02 | jhutchins | CheckDavid: I said that you could do a minimal install without the full DE without needing a network connection. |
| 00:13.16 | CheckDavid | Oh |
| 00:13.43 | rebauld | didn't it find the wireless network? and then apt-get some stuff ? |
| 00:14.28 | CheckDavid | It found the network |
| 00:14.39 | CheckDavid | But then doesn't collect |
| 00:14.43 | CheckDavid | *connect |
| 00:16.15 | CheckDavid | I had many problem creating a dual boot. But now I have 2 partitions on my new laptop from the factory |
| 00:16.23 | CheckDavid | So is m trying again |
| 00:17.08 | CheckDavid | *I'm |
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| 00:25.38 | BeRoots | Anyone can tell me if . and .. are symlink on debian ? |
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| 00:26.37 | CheckDavid | Hmmmm. I used graphical install and it solved the problem... |
| 00:26.39 | CheckDavid | So weird |
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| 00:27.48 | CheckDavid | Well.. I wanted to install Debian on my second disk. But maybe it has windows ISO in there? |
| 00:27.48 | trampel | BeRoots: i believe that . and .. are time honoured hard-wired aspects of Unix kernels everywhere via iname.c |
| 00:27.49 | cafuego | BeRoots: . and .. where? |
| 00:28.15 | CheckDavid | Because.on the Debian setup it appears to have a couple dozen more GBs than on the windows explorer app |
| 00:28.25 | cafuego | BeRoots: .. is *always* the parent directory, . is *always* the current directory. If you symlink those, bad things occur :-) |
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| 00:28.42 | CheckDavid | I'm afraid to ruin it if it really is there |
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| 00:30.55 | BeRoots | just a question on a test... thanks ;) |
| 00:31.26 | trampel | ah... be sure to give us all partial credit then |
| 00:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | CheckDavid, that's indeed the weirdest "solution" I've heard of today... but glad it worked nonetheless :) |
| 00:32.45 | duelle | Hi, is it possible to start the debian system installer from an already running debian system where the hdd (where the system should be installed on) is mounted? |
| 00:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | CheckDavid, and I don't think graphical install is doing anything differently.. perhaps it was a temporary problem connecting |
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| 00:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, debootstrap |
| 00:34.36 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 00:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | duelle, ^^ that seems to be the method of choice |
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| 00:35.06 | duelle | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat, I will have a loog ;) |
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| 00:35.16 | duelle | *look |
| 00:35.40 | CheckDavid | CutMeOwnThroat: very strange. My guts tell me it had to so with the graphical install lol |
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| 00:42.42 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 00:43.09 | johnfg | i've attached a dell monitor to my asus laptop running debian wheezy. |
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| 00:43.23 | johnfg | Running gnome classic for my desktop. |
| 00:43.38 | CheckDavid | Should I flag as bootable the partition to which Debian will be installed? |
| 00:43.54 | CheckDavid | Or will I be able to boot it some other way? |
| 00:44.12 | CheckDavid | Like the boot menu? |
| 00:44.33 | CheckDavid | Can i boot without boot flag? |
| 00:44.54 | johnfg | But, with the Applications/System Tools/Preferences/System Settings/Displays, it's not letting me select a resolution that works. |
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| 00:45.28 | johnfg | This monitor is capable of a lot more, but wondered how to take advantage of what it offers? |
| 00:46.02 | johnfg | if I select either of the better resolutions offered, all of the screen doesn't show up. |
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| 00:47.39 | asarch | Where could I find this source code? DocBook-OpenJade-SGML-XML-HOWTO.xml |
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| 00:47.48 | asarch | It's a quite old HOWTO a it is not longer in the current branch at tldp.org |
| 00:47.50 | asarch | :-( |
| 00:47.51 | mtn | CheckDavid: I don't think you need the boot flag |
| 00:47.53 | Lis | hello everyone. does debian support secure boot? |
| 00:48.10 | mtn | Lis: not as far as I know |
| 00:48.15 | CheckDavid | Now it says "no root file system defined" |
| 00:48.17 | Lis | is it planned? |
| 00:48.24 | CheckDavid | Thanks mtn |
| 00:48.49 | mtn | Lis: not as far as I know |
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| 00:49.09 | Lis | ok, thank you |
| 00:51.57 | Lis | hm i let uefi enabled and try to boot the install dvd. but i just get a blank screen. no keyboard reaction. i suppose uefi is not supported? |
| 00:51.57 | CheckDavid | How do I get through this one? https://i.imgur.com/In5xvle.jpg |
| 00:52.06 | trampel | Lis, there are indications that it might be in the works: http://www.irill.org/videos/debconf13/Secure_Boot_for_Debian_Linux.webm |
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| 00:52.22 | mtn | Lis: yes, uefi is supported |
| 00:52.34 | Lis | trampel, sorry i am on a bandwidth based internet accound. i cant watch videos here |
| 00:52.55 | Lis | mtn, any debug advices? still black screen :( |
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| 00:53.04 | trampel | Lis, sorry. it's just my urge to provide references. it's not critical. |
| 00:53.29 | mtn | Lis: how did you make the install disk? |
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| 00:54.16 | Lis | mtn, mh not again. whait let me checksum |
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| 00:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 00:58.29 | CheckDavid | Help please :( |
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| 01:01.29 | mtn | CheckDavid: you didn't ask a question ;) |
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| 01:05.27 | CheckDavid | 12:51:57 AM <CheckDavid> How do I get through this one? https://i.imgur.com/In5xvle.jpg |
| 01:05.41 | CheckDavid | I did mtn |
| 01:06.02 | shpx | I'm trying to install debian 7.7, I have a wifi dongle to connect to the internet. I think debian sees the dongle because it asks that I put in a usb with proprietary firmware, which I have done. When I get to the Network Configuration step, it fails saying something like "your network is probably not using DHCP etc.". How can this happen if it never asked me for the wifi password? |
| 01:06.28 | shpx | To clarify, I have nothing plugged into the ethernet port. |
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| 01:07.28 | osram | shpx: if you have an ethernet port, why not use it to do the installation and worry about wifi later? |
| 01:08.15 | Lis | mh checksums not different |
| 01:08.26 | Lis | still black screen when trying to boot 7.8 with uefi |
| 01:09.01 | shpx | osram: because I don't have a ethernet cable long enough to go to the basement |
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| 01:10.01 | shpx | but I guess I'll probably end up doing that. Disappointing though, I've already installed debian on this computer. |
| 01:10.09 | shpx | as in it worked before |
| 01:10.10 | Lis | shpx, maybe you connected to a different wlan. go into the setup console and issue an iwconfig and ifconfig |
| 01:11.02 | Lis | shpx, something like ctrl+alt+f5 or ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 01:11.13 | shpx | Lis: /ben/sh: ifconfig: not found |
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| 01:15.05 | Lis | shpx, hm for normal you select the wlan network at the setup. check the logs in /var/log |
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| 01:17.55 | shpx | Lis: intersting, it says Possible missing firmware, brb |
| 01:18.01 | Lis | hm odd. the only thing i get is "prefix not set" then i get the setup options "graphical install" "install" etc. i hit "install" and get a black screen |
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| 01:19.10 | Lis | shpx, i also got this message tons of times. but network always worked for me. maybe it's different with your nic |
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| 01:21.11 | rebauld | doesn't see the words disappointing and debian in the same sentence |
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| 01:22.30 | shpx | Lis: yea moving the firmware around on the usb doesn't help, it still loads and still only tries to connect through ethernet |
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| 01:25.03 | shpx | Lis: I see "Warning: counldn't read wpasupplicant pid file, not tying to kill." is that relevant at all? |
| 01:25.51 | Lis | shpx, it just tells you that wpa supplicant was proppably not started. if you issue a ps aux | grep wpasu you should see no process |
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| 01:27.17 | Lis | shpx, but still why not try it without wlan and plug in the network cable for installation |
| 01:27.31 | Lis | shpx, you can use wlan afterwards. nm-applet helps alot |
| 01:28.11 | shpx | Lis: alright. Thanks for the help |
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| 01:28.50 | johnfg | xrandr lists VGA-0 and LVDS as monitors. I assume the LVDS is the Dell I've connected to the laptop? |
| 01:28.54 | CheckDavid | No root file system is defined. How do I solve this while installing? |
| 01:28.58 | tastybuds | has an Ethernet cable of 15 meters |
| 01:30.35 | rebauld | what is the limit for length? |
| 01:30.50 | tastybuds | Much more |
| 01:31.09 | tastybuds | I think 100? |
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| 01:31.52 | CheckDavid | Is there a limit? |
| 01:32.01 | cafuego | yes |
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| 01:32.34 | Komanda | i need to do as many custom async post request as possible (hoping to satustrate a 100mbit link), any tools out there that does that? |
| 01:33.16 | cafuego | whoa re you DDoSing? |
| 01:33.42 | CheckDavid | Here am I quitting on Linux once more :( |
| 01:33.53 | nkuttler | Komanda: siege maybe |
| 01:34.15 | Komanda | cafuego: trying to statustrate my own server & test api |
| 01:34.43 | nkuttler | Komanda: do you have a production site yet? |
| 01:34.46 | cafuego | CheckDavid: Define a root filesystem. Then continue. |
| 01:34.52 | tastybuds | CheckDavid: do a graphical install |
| 01:34.57 | CheckDavid | Don't really know how to |
| 01:35.23 | tastybuds | Or read the wiki for manual |
| 01:35.29 | cafuego | CheckDavid: You can do guided partitioning, that'll help. |
| 01:35.30 | nkuttler | Komanda: anyway. if you do, check out https://github.com/buger/gor |
| 01:35.51 | cafuego | CheckDavid: If you have an existing install of something, just do NOT let it ease the entire disk. |
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| 01:38.29 | Lis | how do i pass nomodeset at debians installation process? |
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| 01:39.13 | Lis | ah found e key |
| 01:39.19 | CheckDavid | cafuego: I got some other problem with guided partitioning don't even remember now |
| 01:39.20 | Lis | c |
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| 01:39.29 | CheckDavid | I guess I really quit :\ |
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| 01:45.29 | Komanda | nkuttler: siege & gor are intresting thanks. Basically i have an api endpoint, so the endpoint should be the same. i have also generated a textfile with custom post headers & a file with ip:port of proxies all over the world. basically i want to spinup a bunch of ec2 servers with debian to the proxy to my endpoint to see how it scales and what the latency is from all these diffrent locations (don't think it's possible to have a real test then this) |
| 01:46.07 | Komanda | ec2 > proxy > ec2 basically |
| 01:46.37 | Komanda | trying to simulate a real load as much as possible |
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| 01:55.10 | DarkBidou | hi people |
| 01:55.32 | DarkBidou | used to be a time this channel was full of question/answers |
| 01:55.44 | DarkBidou | pages and pages and pages of it |
| 01:55.46 | El3ktra | good sign for debian |
| 01:55.51 | El3ktra | people don' |
| 01:55.57 | El3ktra | don't need help with it anymore :) |
| 01:56.02 | Lis | so. i just disabled uefi for now. |
| 01:56.15 | DarkBidou | people dont know what those 3 letters means |
| 01:56.17 | DarkBidou | I-R-C |
| 01:56.38 | DarkBidou | they pay 700$ for stupid ipad device |
| 01:56.56 | DarkBidou | and they are happy that itunes play their mp3 |
| 01:57.03 | El3ktra | stoopid question... what do the kids use for chat nowadays? |
| 01:57.11 | DarkBidou | facebook |
| 01:57.11 | Lis | facebook |
| 01:57.16 | El3ktra | I's been forever since I tried Yahoo chat and got spammed all to hell |
| 01:57.16 | DarkBidou | of course |
| 01:57.28 | El3ktra | yes but FB isn't good about meeting new people |
| 01:57.32 | El3ktra | and does FB have chat rooms? |
| 01:57.40 | Lis | for about 2 days. then i deleted my account. but still that uefi stuff makes me go nuts |
| 01:57.41 | DarkBidou | no facebook is dumb picture and video |
| 01:57.58 | El3ktra | I am one of those people who gets depressed looking at FB |
| 01:58.02 | DarkBidou | its for lazy people who can use their phone and move their ass to friend's houses |
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| 01:58.10 | El3ktra | all my previous parners are married, all my old school friends have kids |
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| 01:58.15 | El3ktra | and none of them remember me |
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| 01:58.21 | dob1 | hi, how can i rename an init script? |
| 01:58.30 | DarkBidou | use "mv" ? |
| 01:58.34 | DarkBidou | or "ln" ? |
| 01:58.51 | DarkBidou | why do you want to rename such a script? |
| 01:59.03 | DarkBidou | it's not sexy for you? |
| 01:59.30 | dob1 | DarkBidou, it's a script that i made, wrong name, but ok i can do as you said but i have to rename all the link in all the runlevel, something automatic if exists |
| 01:59.40 | DarkBidou | id'like to rename my init script to: start_this_shit.sh and run_that_shitout_too.sh |
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| 01:59.56 | DarkBidou | juste use "mv" command |
| 02:00.02 | DarkBidou | mv -> mv |
| 02:00.16 | DarkBidou | move |
| 02:00.42 | DarkBidou | (obviously its been a while i havent helped anyone on IRC LOL) |
| 02:00.43 | dob1 | DarkBidou, just use mv, i know mv, but i have to go in /etc/rc2.d, rc3.d, etc |
| 02:00.53 | DarkBidou | na |
| 02:01.10 | DarkBidou | while would you go there? |
| 02:01.21 | dob1 | DarkBidou, because it is linked there |
| 02:01.52 | DarkBidou | use update-rc.d |
| 02:01.57 | DarkBidou | man update-rc.d |
| 02:02.02 | DarkBidou | if you dunno what it is |
| 02:02.20 | dob1 | yes, i know it but it doesn't rename if i am not wrong |
| 02:02.28 | DarkBidou | you are wrong |
| 02:02.32 | dob1 | it removes, but removes only create the K??scriptname |
| 02:02.41 | DarkBidou | it does everything.. if you want it too |
| 02:03.01 | DarkBidou | move your ass from your finger and erase those damn symlink |
| 02:03.17 | DarkBidou | move your finger from your ass and erase those damn symlink |
| 02:03.31 | DarkBidou | come on its debian/linux, its not windows gui next->next>finish |
| 02:03.39 | dob1 | DarkBidou, i know what to do .... |
| 02:03.43 | DarkBidou | (sorry my point of view) |
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| 02:04.11 | DarkBidou | well.. you want a do_all_my_job.sh ? |
| 02:04.50 | DarkBidou | (personnaly, id'like to have that one at job, then i can play candy crush) |
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| 02:09.35 | DarkBidou | anyone has ./free_blowjob.sh somewhere? |
| 02:09.49 | DarkBidou | i miss this one from my os.. |
| 02:09.56 | tracphil | dob1: this should point you in the right direction http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-managing-services-with-update-rc-d/ |
| 02:10.47 | tracphil | remove and readd, you don't want rename. |
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| 02:13.30 | DarkBidou | my last debian was... woody |
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| 02:14.09 | DarkBidou | damn im old :S |
| 02:14.12 | El3ktra | I use crunchbang, love it |
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| 02:14.42 | DarkBidou | why do you love it? |
| 02:15.27 | El3ktra | I love it because it's avery configurable and they give you just the right tools to do it |
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| 02:16.40 | DarkBidou | they pretend its awesome desktop |
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| 02:17.48 | DarkBidou | i run centos most of the time (as servers) |
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| 02:19.23 | DarkBidou | for some reason debian doesnt look pro to the company world |
| 02:20.15 | DarkBidou | i have to admit apt was a great package manager |
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| 02:22.27 | DarkBidou | do you do amazing stuff with your distro? El3ktra |
| 02:23.06 | El3ktra | no not really |
| 02:23.14 | El3ktra | sorry |
| 02:23.39 | DarkBidou | back in the early 2000, debian was very hot |
| 02:24.02 | DarkBidou | in here i swear, page were scrolling all the time |
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| 02:24.18 | DarkBidou | some people knew everything about everything |
| 02:24.32 | DarkBidou | i mean you ask "what is on line 294 of kernel.c" |
| 02:24.37 | DarkBidou | someone had the anwser |
| 02:26.08 | DarkBidou | right now, im loading a 22GB database to mariadb |
| 02:26.34 | DarkBidou | do you know mariadb? |
| 02:26.47 | johnfg | Here's the output of xrandr: http://dpaste.com/0CNBRP0 |
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| 02:27.34 | johnfg | How do I switch to one of those higher modes? And isn't the lvds the dell monitor and the VGA-0 the laptop screen? |
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| 02:29.44 | Acridian | Can anyone tell me why my netbook freezes when doing large file transfers over ethernet but only when running Xorg? If I kill Xorg and am using terminal it doesn't. Its debian jessie, 3.16-amd64, acer one intel atom n450 cpu 1gb ram |
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| 02:30.05 | Acridian | the error is something about a size mismatch in a pipe and the kernel panics |
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| 02:33.16 | DarkBidou | Acridian: can you provide log about the error? |
| 02:33.25 | DarkBidou | dmesg or /var/log/ stuff? |
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| 02:34.04 | Acridian | I will try to find it, the panic locks it up tight but I think it spits one or two lines |
| 02:34.56 | DarkBidou | the exact kernel message will help people to troubleshoot your issue |
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| 02:36.45 | Acridian | well its not in dmesg or messages now, I'll recreate the error and capture it via a remote terminal |
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| 02:43.02 | Acridian | Well now its not showing that message at least I couldn't see it from ssh. What it is showing is weird though. Can I paste 5-6 lines at once in here? |
| 02:44.07 | centrx | Acridian, Use paste.debian.net |
| 02:44.15 | Acridian | k |
| 02:46.10 | Acridian | http://paste.debian.net/141090/ |
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| 03:47.11 | shifty | "Welcome to emergency mode!" ... I'd like some help restarting my computer please. What do I do next? |
| 03:47.33 | centrx | Is this a trick question |
| 03:47.48 | shifty | centrx: sadly, no. |
| 03:48.08 | centrx | What's the situation, why are you in emergency mode? |
| 03:48.20 | centrx | If it booted there for a reason, probably best not to just restart? |
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| 03:50.11 | abrotman | try to restart it, see what it does |
| 03:50.38 | shifty | centrx: three months uptime, but needed to clean fans so power-cycled. during power on, "odd" messages appear. |
| 03:51.03 | abrotman | shifty: which OS is this? |
| 03:51.25 | shifty | abrotman: Debian, clarify your question? |
| 03:51.48 | abrotman | version |
| 03:51.57 | shifty | abrotman: sid |
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| 03:52.43 | shay_shay | shifty: theres a channel on OFTC called #debian-next, they will help you |
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| 03:54.20 | shifty | i don't know how to deal with systemd. For some (unstated) reason, I'm given an emergency prompt. I'd like my system back. |
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| 03:54.38 | shifty | So, any pointers to "what to do next?" |
| 03:54.58 | abrotman | what does it say? can you type commands? |
| 03:56.37 | shifty | abrotman: "Welcome to emergency mode! After logging in, type "journalctl -xb" to view\nsystem logs, "systemctl reboot" rot reboot, "systemctl default" to try again\nto boot into default mode.\nGive root password for maintenance\n(or type Control-D to continue):" |
| 03:56.51 | abrotman | so do that ? |
| 03:57.48 | shifty | abrotman: I can type commands, although (after a reboot or two), I notice that the ability to type may be curtailed for reasons unknown. (Recall this is a reliable machine.) |
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| 03:58.28 | abrotman | shifty: so what does the journal say? |
| 03:58.31 | shifty | abrotman: do /exactly/ what? (what do I do when I log in to "emergency mode".) |
| 03:58.50 | abrotman | it tells you .. |
| 03:59.50 | shifty | abrotman: 1204 lines worth. Daft as it may seem, where do i look to make my computer boot again? |
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| 04:01.21 | abrotman | look for an error in the logs |
| 04:01.24 | shifty | (or more acutely, I'd like /strategic/ help with solving this) |
| 04:03.45 | abrotman | I can't see your logs |
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| 04:07.06 | shifty | abrotman: first red coloured line in "journalctl -xb" is "[sdc] No Caching mode page found" |
| 04:07.36 | abrotman | nope |
| 04:07.40 | shifty | abrotman: next is "/bin/mount for /usr exited with exit status 32." |
| 04:07.49 | wblankenship | https://packages.debian.org/sid/lxc-dev appears to be lagging pretty far behind in releases, and is entirely absent from jessie. Is this by design? Is there a way for me to help get it up to date with the project? |
| 04:08.10 | shifty | abrotman: "Failed to start Remount Root and Kernel File Systems." |
| 04:08.40 | abrotman | probably a better one to look at .. does it say why? |
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| 04:10.13 | shifty | abrotman: "Failed to mount /media/silverdisk" and here's where it gets interesting. further, related messages say "dependancy failed for local file systems". BUT... silverdisk is my backup drive. it's mentioned in /etc/fstab, but not as a requirement (noauto). |
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| 04:11.03 | abrotman | can you mount it from the rescue shell? |
| 04:12.48 | shifty | abrotman: probably. it's an LUKS encrypted volume, so it's a PITA. if you'd like me to go down this route, I will, although I question the greater reason as to why this is necessary. Do I mount it? |
| 04:13.11 | abrotman | or edit it from your fstab, and reboot |
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| 04:14.24 | shifty | abrotman: commented out line. how do I reboot? (in this brave new world?) |
| 04:15.05 | shifty | abrotman: commented out line (mentioning silverdisk, from /etc/fstab) |
| 04:16.01 | abrotman | 'reboot' ? |
| 04:17.57 | shifty | abrotman: done. Replies "Hangup" which I haven't seen before. then it reboots. I'm only asking because I hate helping people with computers (over the phone) and telling them to type "hello", only to hear "click, clickly click, click" and knowning they have followed my instructions and added their own improvisations - setting me back to square one. |
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| 04:18.53 | shifty | it appears that my computer has booted to usable state |
| 04:19.01 | abrotman | shifty: good luck :) |
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| 04:25.04 | shifty | I am exceeding unhappy with what happened, I was scared to reboot (knowing the flux caused by the introduction of systemd) and my fears were well-founded. I; expert computer user that I am; was confounded and needed to ask for assistance. The suggestions were effective but it is apparently that (1) "normal" people would be stumped, (2) the "solution" just gets the computer to boot - the "reason" is yet unknown. (treating the symptom, n |
| 04:25.04 | shifty | ot the cause.) Undoubtedly systemd arguments have been discussed ad nauseam, so I can only add that I am... unimpressed. |
| 04:25.44 | shifty | abrotman: thank you for your assistance without prejudice. it was much appreciated. |
| 04:26.10 | lblake | exit |
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| 04:31.37 | komanda | how can i measure the amount of traffic im pushing to localhost? |
| 04:31.39 | shifty | abrotman: I just want to take this opportunity to thank you again. I've come across your handle before dealing with others and I've seen you supply good advice to many people. You should be a Professor. |
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| 04:51.49 | shpx | I'm trying to get my realtek wifi dongle to work, I've installed the firmware-firmware package, the usb shows up in 'lsusb' but iwconfig doesn't show anything |
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| 04:51.58 | shpx | firmware-realtek* |
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| 05:02.29 | dvs | shpx: Did you reboot after installing the firmware-realtek package? |
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| 05:25.09 | shpx | dvs: yes |
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| 06:07.36 | komanda | i have a csv file |
| 06:07.39 | komanda | looks like this |
| 06:07.47 | komanda | 1,google.com |
| 06:07.53 | komanda | 2,facebook.com |
| 06:07.58 | komanda | 3,youtube.com |
| 06:08.20 | komanda | basically i want to convert it to a textfile without the numbers and , before the website |
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| 06:10.40 | centrx | komanda, something like: sed -e 's/^\d*,(.*)$/\1/' <csv file> |
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| 06:11.21 | komanda | centrx: sed: -e expression #1, char 16: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS |
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| 06:12.48 | centrx | komanda, okay use perl -p -e instead of sed -e |
| 06:13.26 | komanda | awk 'BEGIN { FS="," } { print $2 }' top-1m.csv > top-1m.txt |
| 06:13.31 | komanda | that fixed it |
| 06:13.35 | komanda | but thanks for trying <3 |
| 06:14.09 | centrx | the regex works :) |
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| 06:25.19 | shay_shay | shifty: I hope you werent implying that others who tried to help you were doing so in a prejudice way... example, I told you about #debian-next because thats the official channel for testing and unstable support, not because I prejudged you xD |
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| 06:31.23 | elco_ | <3 debian |
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| 06:39.15 | zwox | hi guys |
| 06:40.38 | zwox | i'm using a custom kernel which i compiled, and at boot, i get to initramfs and i have to do a vgchange -a y for my debian to boot up and i don't understand why initramfs does not do it automaticlly, any clue ? |
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| 06:51.58 | squirrel` | yo |
| 06:53.32 | shifty | shay_shay: a pointer to the correct channel is always appropriate. no suggestion of maleficence. |
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| 06:56.08 | squirrel` | i need some help |
| 06:56.17 | squirrel` | mind baffling |
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| 06:58.07 | centrx | I'm certainly baffled |
| 06:58.24 | komanda | how do i copy the first 100 lines from a textfile to a new one? |
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| 06:58.52 | centrx | komanda, Is this homework :) |
| 06:59.20 | komanda | centrx: nope, type error, 100k lines |
| 06:59.25 | karmine | i usually hold shift and hold page down til line 100 then copypasta |
| 06:59.32 | komanda | have top 1m websites from alexa |
| 06:59.32 | centrx | komanda, Look up "head" (see also its complement "tail"), and bash redirection (>) |
| 06:59.40 | karmine | oic nm |
| 06:59.41 | komanda | centrx: thx<3 |
| 06:59.49 | centrx | komanda, for example: head -10 textfile > newfile |
| 07:00.10 | centrx | actually I mean tail -10 textfile > newfile |
| 07:00.12 | centrx | that's my real example |
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| 07:01.15 | komanda | centrx: ah so head is top from file, tail is last |
| 07:01.20 | komanda | starting from beginning* |
| 07:01.23 | komanda | makes sence |
| 07:01.25 | komanda | sense |
| 07:01.26 | komanda | thanks |
| 07:01.29 | centrx | yes, the text file is like an animal |
| 07:01.38 | centrx | cat textfile |
| 07:01.38 | komanda | lol |
| 07:02.00 | pingfloyd | wouldn't it make more sense if head was the middle? |
| 07:02.14 | centrx | what planet are you from? |
| 07:02.30 | centrx | pingfloyd, pingfloyd |
| 07:02.50 | Shadow_7 | dark side of the moon |
| 07:02.51 | karmine | me.....im just looking for a file |
| 07:02.58 | karmine | that i need to replace |
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| 07:03.11 | karmine | but no matter what method i use i cannot find it |
| 07:03.32 | pingfloyd | centrx: on this planet we get/give head in the middle |
| 07:03.48 | karmine | in the middle of what |
| 07:03.48 | Shadow_7 | head -n 10 for lines or head -c 10 for characters. Although the -c may or may not include \n depending on versions |
| 07:03.50 | karmine | intercoursE? |
| 07:04.12 | karmine | why here uses xchat |
| 07:04.22 | karmine | that can pm me and gimme a hand for a minute |
| 07:05.16 | centrx | this has taken a disturbing turn |
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| 07:06.53 | pingfloyd | s/disturbing/dramatic |
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| 07:21.51 | zwox | a momentary lapse of reason please guys, head for top, tail for bottom, head | tail or tail | head would work for the middle |
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| 07:27.07 | ArtVandalae | zwox, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25298040/linux-head-tail-with-offset |
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| 07:40.10 | scoofy | hi. i have a question. what happens with a debian system if the /home directory is missing? say if that's mounted on another drive that fails |
| 07:40.32 | scoofy | will it boot and can users log in? |
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| 07:43.07 | centrx | scoofy, IIRC yes, user will log in and get a warning/error message about missing home directory, but everything works fine modulo the missing home directory |
| 07:43.22 | scoofy | not bad |
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| 08:11.50 | m14ed | is this a page full of lurkers or a chinese gangbang |
| 08:12.04 | nurupo | got to love when you tell the system to Reboot in your DE, the DE gets killed and you stare at a black sceen for 20 seconds, then you do Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in, sudo reboot, password confirmation and it reboots |
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| 08:25.52 | komanda | whats the fastest way to send 100k post requests with debian?? |
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| 08:26.48 | Stargazers | Why you have to do that? DDossing? |
| 08:26.56 | Stargazers | Or just testing your own server :D |
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| 08:28.48 | jeezy | :o |
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| 08:31.02 | komanda | Stargazers: testing own server; benchmarking api |
| 08:31.16 | komanda | ec2 > proxy >ec2 |
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| 08:31.37 | komanda | so far i have used shitty async python libraries but they are inefficient |
| 08:31.38 | zir0faive | when you say "fastest", you mean "fastest to run" or "fastest to code"? |
| 08:31.44 | komanda | need something more powerfull |
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| 08:32.16 | komanda | zir0faive: faster to execute, need to satustrate my 1gbit links |
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| 08:36.48 | ArtVandalae | komanda, try "ab" (Apache Bench), JMeter, or you can also look at a commercial service like loadimpact |
| 08:36.49 | zir0faive | i'd try a simple C program starting 100k curl instances |
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| 08:37.38 | ArtVandalae | 100k POST requests, what the hell are you testing? :P |
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| 08:40.55 | komanda | zir0faive: hmm, i was thinking of using python to write directly to sockets |
| 08:41.10 | komanda | ArtVandalae: they are all to limited |
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| 08:42.28 | zir0faive | komanda: compiled programs should be faster, that's why I said C. |
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| 08:44.14 | ArtVandalae | komanda, limited how? |
| 08:44.30 | ArtVandalae | e.g., how to do what you want with 'ab': ab -c <number of concurrent requests> -n <number of requests, e.g. 100k) -p <file to post> |
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| 08:44.38 | komanda | ArtVandalae: i'm trying to simulate real load |
| 08:44.54 | komanda | my ec2 cluster > proxies > my ec2 cluster |
| 08:44.59 | komanda | custom headers |
| 08:45.05 | komanda | + |
| 08:45.15 | komanda | one proxy per request |
| 08:45.26 | komanda | are required to simulate real load |
| 08:46.05 | Stargazers | For-loop with CURL? D |
| 08:46.06 | Stargazers | :D |
| 08:46.10 | ArtVandalae | ab has "-H" -> custom headers. In fact, Jmeter is "as real as it gets", because you can take an Apache access log (for example), and replay it line-by-line, to recreate how a real user would use the website |
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| 08:46.44 | ArtVandalae | Oh I get what you're saying |
| 08:47.20 | ArtVandalae | That's exactly what loadimpact does. It just costs money. It spins up X number of machines and simulates "real users" |
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| 09:19.02 | Halbard | Hi, is it normal that selinux restricts users home directory to be seen on samba share but at the same time that directory can be accessed throught windows? |
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| 09:24.16 | tremon | Halbard: that's not an selinux restriction, it depends on your samba authentication style iirc |
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| 09:24.55 | tremon | Halbard: windows does share enumeration before authenticating unless the server prevents that |
| 09:25.20 | tremon | Halbard: and if the samba server doesn't know who you are, it can't enumerate your homedir |
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| 09:30.38 | Halbard | I have samba running on my debian with option set to user authentication. On debian and raspbian on the same network I can't access home folder, returns an error "the specified location is not mounted". but my win7 on VBox can access it easily with defined user. |
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| 09:31.34 | Halbard | any other shared folder inside my users home folder can be accessed normally from any OS |
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| 09:33.19 | tremon | Halbard: most likely, on debian and raspbian you're not authenting as your user. Windows sends its username by default, samba logs in anonymously by default |
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| 09:37.13 | Neon | I'm administrating a multi-user Debian server and I'd like to be able to manually whitelist ports for users to be able to bind them, while they shouldn't be able to bind any ports not whitelisted for them. Is there a simple solution for that? Example: 25565 is the default port of a Minecraft server. I don't want anyone to be able to bind it, but assign alternative ports like 25566, 25567 to the users that want to run a server. |
| 09:37.36 | Neon | It's Wheezy btw. |
| 09:38.53 | tremon | Neon: selinux can do that, I don't think any other tool (except other LSM's) can prevent binding. Note that no tool can prevent binding to ports > 32767 |
| 09:39.33 | tremon | you can however prevent outgoing traffic using the iptables owner match (-m owner) iirc |
| 09:40.22 | Neon | tremon: Just out of interest: What makes the ports > 32767 special? |
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| 09:40.41 | Halbard | tremon: I am always prompted to enter username and password, on windows and linux for any share except when accessing home folder on linux machines. I have defined samba user with 'pdbedit' which is mandatory when setting to 'security = user' |
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| 09:41.50 | tremon | Halbard: in that case, I'm out of suggestions. I don't use samba that much, but that one always bit me. Maybe try asking #samba, or wait for someone else to respond here |
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| 09:44.29 | Halbard | tremon: ok, I'll try to ask there, thanks anyway. |
| 09:45.49 | tremon | Neon: those ports are assigned by the kernel for outgoing traffic (i.e. when you connect to remote:443, your local port is in that range). But those binds can be as long-lived as the program wants |
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| 09:53.28 | Neon | Okay, thanks for your help, tremon. |
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| 10:41.52 | blackflow | Hi. Why are some well known SSL CAs like RapidSSL untrusted by the command line openssl on Debian? Is there a proper CA missing in /etc/ssl/certs? |
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| 10:46.31 | tremon | blackflow: did you use -CApath? openssl doesn't look in /etc/ssl/certs unless you tell it to |
| 10:46.58 | blackflow | tremon: I don't know which of the many pems in that dir to use, I tried all GeoTrust ones, still untrusted. |
| 10:47.27 | tremon | also, dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates or vi /etc/ca-certificates.conf |
| 10:47.45 | tremon | blackflow: can you give a command line example that fails for you? |
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| 10:48.27 | blackflow | tremon: openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs/... -connect 78.47.95.26:5000 > test.dat |
| 10:49.04 | blackflow | you can try it, the listener is openssl s_server catting a 2GB zero filled file |
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| 10:51.44 | zacwalls | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/i386/bt-dvd/ Are those the iso images? If not, what is the link to them? |
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| 10:53.09 | valdyn | zacwalls: those are torrent files |
| 10:53.17 | valdyn | zacwalls: dont know how to use them? |
| 10:53.33 | zacwalls | I figuerd. Where are the iso images or is that it? |
| 10:53.46 | zacwalls | And no, I dont |
| 10:53.47 | colonolGron | can one install debian from inside another linux? |
| 10:54.00 | valdyn | zacwalls: in the iso-dvd directory |
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| 10:54.17 | zacwalls | Thats where i am, correct |
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| 10:54.31 | valdyn | zacwalls: you linked the bt-dvd directory, where bt means bittorrent |
| 10:54.51 | mjt | colonolGron: there's debootstrap for that |
| 10:55.12 | colonolGron | googles debootstrap |
| 10:55.14 | zacwalls | Oh, well...Im not so smart. Maybe i should not be using debian. :) |
| 10:55.18 | zacwalls | thank you |
| 10:55.39 | lmaowaffle | hi folks - new to debian here. Is it possible to view a changelog of package updates in wheezy? I'd like to see if the suspend-bug in linux-image (temporarily addressed by using that ~test package upload) is fixed in my latest apt update |
| 10:55.57 | colonolGron | mjt: thanks! thats what i was looking for! :) |
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| 10:56.33 | petn-randall | lmaowaffle: You can install apt-listchanges to see the changelog of packages before installing them, or just check in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz after installation. |
| 10:56.34 | zacwalls | Witch iso image do i want? 1,2 or 3? |
| 10:56.58 | petn-randall | zacwalls: You only want the network installer, and then you can install the rest via internet during installation. |
| 10:57.28 | zacwalls | Well, Okay. |
| 10:57.29 | petn-randall | zacwalls: You will only need the full stack of CDs or DVDs if you want to install Debian on a system with absolutely no internet connection. |
| 10:57.38 | tremon | blackflow: that fails for me to, unsure why rapidssl isn't included. GeoTrust is in the list |
| 10:57.51 | zacwalls | I think i will do network install |
| 10:57.54 | zacwalls | thanks |
| 10:57.58 | zacwalls | once again |
| 10:58.09 | tremon | blackflow: are you missing an intermediate certificate maybe? |
| 10:58.17 | petn-randall | zacwalls: You're welcome! Feel free to ask if you have any other questions. |
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| 10:58.53 | zacwalls | Okay, I will more than likely be back. Bye! |
| 10:59.04 | blackflow | tremon: I'll try some of the parent ones, I think Rapid is Geo which is in turn Equifax and I think there's another above them :) |
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| 11:00.35 | zacwalls | Alredy back. :( |
| 11:00.44 | zacwalls | *already |
| 11:01.01 | zacwalls | I want http correct |
| 11:01.06 | mjt | that was fastest install ever :) |
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| 11:01.44 | zacwalls | I haven't got to that part yet |
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| 11:04.10 | zacwalls | Are the Internet install files http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:04.21 | lmaowaffle | petn-randall: cheers mate |
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| 11:05.19 | tpo | anybody knowledgeable about the "unshare" command here? I'm still trying to find out why this http://blog.endpoint.com/2012/01/linux-unshare-m-for-per-process-private.html doesn't work on jessie |
| 11:05.30 | lmaowaffle | petn-randall: can apt-listchanges be added to the package install flow? ie can it be run specifically for packages that have been updated in current apt-get call; and can it only spit out changes for current x->y version change? |
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| 11:07.16 | tpo | lmaowaffle, that's exactly how apt-listchanges is configured here: |
| 11:07.26 | tpo | $ cat apt.conf.d/20listchanges |
| 11:07.31 | lmaowaffle | tpo: oh |
| 11:07.35 | tpo | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs { "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -ne 10"; }; |
| 11:07.35 | dpkg | tpo: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 11:07.36 | lmaowaffle | fantastic |
| 11:07.42 | tpo | DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/bin/apt-listchanges::Version "2"; |
| 11:07.42 | dpkg | tpo: are you using Windows? |
| 11:07.45 | lmaowaffle | whoops |
| 11:07.53 | blackflow | tremon: not on the server side |
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| 11:08.45 | tpo | lmaowaffle, I think when you install apt-listchanges it should ask you whether you want to see the list on changes on each upgrade... |
| 11:09.07 | tpo | lmaowaffle, I'm using aptitude to do upgrades and I see the changes there |
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| 11:09.45 | lmaowaffle | tpo: so the changes are shown after the fact? can it be called following an apt/itude update? |
| 11:09.45 | blackflow | tremon: the FreeBSD's CA bundle works on that connection, and shows GeoTrust Global CA, but whn I use that file on Debian, it's untrusted. |
| 11:10.26 | lmaowaffle | hm, i was given that choice after installing apt-listchanges |
| 11:11.08 | tpo | lmaowaffle, I don't know how to do that |
| 11:11.09 | lmaowaffle | tpo: but that conf.d file was installed nevertheless |
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| 11:16.01 | tremon | blackflow: https://knowledge.rapidssl.com/support/ssl-certificate-support/index?page=content&id=AR1548 seems to suggest that you need to include the rapidssl ca server-side |
| 11:16.49 | blackflow | tremon: yes I have the full trust chain on the server, after all it works in browsers and is validated by SSLabs. |
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| 11:20.23 | tremon | blackflow: iirc, openssl s_server does not construct a bundle itself, it just server the certfile it is given. If you are going to test with s_server you need to append the intermediate certificate to the file s_server is using as its server certificate |
| 11:20.24 | petn-randall | lmaowaffle: apt-listchanges will show all changelogs for all packages being updated. So if you upgrade package foo from 1.2 to 1.5, it'll show you all changelogs between those two versions. |
| 11:20.32 | tremon | s/server/serves/ |
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| 11:21.35 | blackflow | tremon: wait I found the problem. RapidSSL recently changed stuff and for some reason it still works through browsers and validates via sslabs but with a warning.... gah. thanks for your help. |
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| 11:22.06 | petn-randall | lmaowaffle: apt-listchanges will also hook into apt-get, and will show the changelogs after download, and before install. You can configure it to ask before installation, so you can cancel it. |
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| 11:22.27 | tremon | blackflow: what's the warning? |
| 11:22.44 | blackflow | tremon: weak SHA1 key, it uses an old CA |
| 11:22.50 | blackflow | it = current cert on the server |
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| 11:23.24 | lmaowaffle | petn-randall: nice. would you happen to know if aptitude uses it at all? |
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| 11:23.43 | petn-randall | lmaowaffle: Yeah, it'll also work with aptitude. |
| 11:24.03 | petn-randall | lmaowaffle: I think most things will become clear when you've installed it. :) |
| 11:24.32 | tremon | ah, 1024 bits CA probably. That one was retired (half a year ago?) and new intermediates were issued to keep existing certs working |
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| 11:25.14 | lmaowaffle | petn-randall: heh thanks |
| 11:25.25 | blackflow | tremon: yes and in the process it issued new CAs and new intermediaries and now openssl fails. meh. |
| 11:25.27 | lmaowaffle | dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges was very detailed |
| 11:25.53 | blackflow | tremon: I just realized this particular cert bundle is not yet switched to SHA2 |
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| 11:33.34 | cd23ax | hello i have a problem my mailserver cant send mails always connection refused |
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| 11:33.40 | cd23ax | i tried to telnet mx10.aon.at 25 |
| 11:33.52 | cd23ax | an external mail server and it also refuses it |
| 11:34.09 | cd23ax | Trying 213.33.98.148... |
| 11:34.10 | cd23ax | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 11:35.52 | cd23ax | or telnet smtp.a1.net 25 |
| 11:36.22 | mjt | talk to your isp |
| 11:36.41 | cd23ax | at my home pc 220 smarthub82.res.a1.net ESMTP at mailserver at telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 11:37.18 | mjt | your isp blocks connections to port 25 at network level |
| 11:37.27 | mjt | this is quite usual practice btw |
| 11:37.42 | cd23ax | yes on a dedicated server too? |
| 11:37.52 | mjt | i'm not your isp |
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| 11:38.11 | mjt | but i can connect to smtp.a1.net at least |
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| 11:39.58 | mjt | try connecting to some more widely known mx - eg hotmail.com |
| 11:40.14 | cd23ax | i tried mx2.hotmail.com 25 |
| 11:40.16 | cd23ax | same result |
| 11:40.24 | cd23ax | on my desktop pc its working on the remote server not |
| 11:40.25 | mjt | so, as I said, talk to your isp |
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| 12:12.25 | efazati | hi, i have hdd for 25 years ago. i want mount it. but i don't know what is my fs. i use file command but just said `data`, also with fdisk said this http://pastebin.com/JdKBCryL . how can mount it? |
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| 12:22.24 | trewas | efazati: if it is from some "real" unix computer you are probably out of luck, and if from dos/windows it should have just worked |
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| 12:23.24 | bsdbeard | trewas, what is a "real" unix computer? |
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| 12:24.39 | efazati | trewas, yes its from unix computer |
| 12:24.41 | efazati | why? |
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| 12:25.13 | trewas | bsdbeard: solaris, hp/ux, irix etc, which existed before linux (and windows) killed them off |
| 12:25.55 | trewas | efazati: they often use proprietary filesystems which have never been ported to linux (or anything else) |
| 12:26.04 | bsdbeard | oh |
| 12:26.15 | tremon | efazati: 1) use ddrescue to create an image of that harddisk. If you're lucky there are no read failures, but don't tempt fate by reading/writing to it |
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| 12:27.13 | chb | morning, quick question - is it worth it to disable modules for security? |
| 12:27.34 | bsdbeard | a system without modules is not much of a system :P |
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| 12:27.47 | chb | sorry I meant disable module loading :) |
| 12:28.06 | chb | and just put everything into the kernel |
| 12:28.12 | tremon | efazati: 2) you can use testdisk to scan for known partition or file signatures. But as said, the original data would have to be in a knowable format to begin with |
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| 12:31.09 | efazati | tremon, i use simple dd to create iso... so you say remove my iso and create new iso with ddrescue |
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| 12:34.58 | tremon | iso is a cd/dvd image. If you have already created an error-free image of the disks, there's no need to do that again |
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| 12:51.48 | efazati | tremon, i found my file system is sys V 4 |
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| 12:56.05 | wooy | hi, any way to make sticky bit inheritable or set by default (for a user). thanks! |
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| 12:59.41 | tremon | efazati: assuming you mean SVR4 (aka common System V), that's not a filesystem, that's an operating system |
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| 13:12.34 | bsdbeard | svr4? so it uses UFS as the file system? |
| 13:12.44 | bsdbeard | i think that's mountable |
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| 14:04.46 | Filystyn | best ctorrent client for debian? |
| 14:04.51 | Filystyn | torrent* |
| 14:05.06 | Filystyn | plox recomand;) |
| 14:05.45 | abrotman | plox? |
| 14:05.48 | Filystyn | plz |
| 14:05.59 | Filystyn | plox= plz |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | plz? |
| 14:06.16 | Filystyn | please :) |
| 14:06.19 | abrotman | Filystyn: GUI? CLI? |
| 14:06.24 | Filystyn | GUI |
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| 14:08.22 | abrotman | Filystyn: I think a lot of folks use transmission |
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| 14:10.25 | bsdbeard | Filystyn, plox sounds like a dangerous venereal disease |
| 14:10.25 | Filystyn | ok thank you abrotman |
| 14:10.34 | Filystyn | i downloaded it;) |
| 14:10.53 | Filystyn | now i need to find it (installed via apt-get) |
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| 14:11.21 | Filystyn | found! |
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| 14:16.22 | ovidiu-florin_ | can someone please explain what does the s stand for? drwxr-sr-x 3 www-data www-data 4,0K oct 24 16:00 Scripts |
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| 14:20.10 | evilman_home | ovidiu-florin_: man chmod |
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| 14:33.45 | Hans-Martin | I'm having a weird problem with cron and nsswitch (apparently). After some time, there's a number of /USR/SBIN/CRON processes (forked subprocesses) that wait on a file descriptor to our mysql database which was opened by the main process. |
| 14:34.44 | Hans-Martin | I believe that this database connection is part of the nsswitch lookup mechanism that's used to look up user entries in the database user directory (which is maintained by froxlor in this case, but that does not matter for the problem) |
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| 14:35.27 | Hans-Martin | Has anybody seen something like that? Googling did not turn up useful info for me. |
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| 14:47.27 | ovidiu-florin | what does the s mean in drwxr-sr-x ? |
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| 14:50.43 | dvs | ovidiu-florin: sticky bit |
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| 14:50.58 | evilman_home | ovidiu-florin: man chmod. |
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| 14:51.33 | evilman_home | ovidiu-florin: set user or group ID on execution (s) |
| 14:52.16 | evilman_home | dvs: sticky bit is 't' letter. |
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| 14:57.36 | EriC^^ | ovidiu-florin: it means if you execute the program it will run with the group being whatever group owns the file |
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| 15:00.13 | ovidiu-florin | aha |
| 15:00.16 | ovidiu-florin | thank you |
| 15:00.55 | EriC^^ | ovidiu-florin: hold on |
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| 15:07.28 | EriC^^ | ovidiu-florin: read here about the part about sgid on directories http://linoxide.com/how-tos/stickbit-suid-guid/ |
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| 15:31.02 | Rusty1 | if one issues: apt-get -d upgrade, how can the downloaded packages then be installed later? |
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| 15:31.46 | Shadow_7 | Rusty1: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:31.58 | Shadow_7 | Rusty1: aka remove the -d (download only) |
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| 15:32.11 | abrotman | not dist-upgrade per se .. but yeah |
| 15:32.31 | Rusty1 | it wont fetch again using upgrade? |
| 15:32.47 | Shadow_7 | Rusty1: not unless you did another update |
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| 15:32.54 | Shadow_7 | and something changed |
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| 15:33.04 | abrotman | Rusty1: nope, not unless you clean the cache or there is a newer versoin |
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| 15:33.34 | Rusty1 | indeed it does, thanks |
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| 15:34.05 | Rusty1 | 750 pkg jessie upgrade downloaded and waiting |
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| 15:37.25 | tXambe | Hi |
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| 15:45.21 | keyvij | I love Debian!!! |
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| 15:47.16 | oli4gate | hi, I would like to install bc to perform floating point calculations on Debian 7. I have tried with ' apt-get install bc ' but it says unable to locate package. Anyone knows how i can install that? |
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| 15:48.39 | mtn | ,v bc |
| 15:48.40 | judd | Package: bc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.06.95-2; wheezy: 1.06.95-2; sid: 1.06.95-9; jessie: 1.06.95-9 |
| 15:48.59 | mtn | oli4gate: well, it is there |
| 15:49.03 | sydney | I have it in jessie. |
| 15:49.56 | mtn | oli4gate: fix your sources. perhaps you need non-free and contrib? |
| 15:50.59 | valdyn | oli4gate: just use ghci , but thats a huge package ;) |
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| 15:54.32 | oli4gate | mtn: in my sources I have ftp.us.debian.org/debian and security.debian.org uncomented. What do I have to look for? |
| 15:55.05 | mtn | oli4gate: do you just have main, or do you have non-free and contrib, too? |
| 15:55.24 | mtn | oli4gate: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 15:55.33 | valdyn | bc is in main |
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| 15:56.02 | valdyn | oli4gate: apt-get update needs to be run at least once, did you do that? |
| 15:56.09 | mtn | stranger yet |
| 15:56.29 | oli4gate | mtn: I just have main, I did not yet run apt-get update, will try that first |
| 15:56.47 | mtn | facepalm |
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| 15:58.07 | Stargazers | :) |
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| 16:00.15 | oli4gate | thanks to mtn and valdyn, after apt-get update I could install bc |
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| 16:02.16 | sydney | :) |
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| 16:45.31 | mohsen-rashidi | hello there. i`m a debian stable user but now i need to add testing and unstable repositories to my system and don`t know how to it. would anyone please help me out with this? |
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| 16:47.59 | mtn | mohsen-rashidi: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 16:50.46 | Halma | hello all |
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| 16:51.16 | lily_rose | hi:D |
| 16:51.23 | Halma | i have an srr file to restore an rar file, but i dont know how to use it under debian ... can someone give me some hints advice ? |
| 16:51.25 | mohsen-rashidi | mtn, i don`t have another choice. |
| 16:51.34 | teraflops | mtn: nice link I wish it had a factoid |
| 16:51.46 | lily_rose | do I know u |
| 16:51.54 | mtn | mohsen-rashidi: of course you do. you can always try, but don't come here and complain when it breaks ;) |
| 16:52.17 | lily_rose | Are u my friends |
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| 16:52.23 | mtn | lily_rose: no |
| 16:52.30 | lily_rose | why |
| 16:52.46 | lily_rose | :'(:'(:'( |
| 16:52.52 | Halma | someone knows "rescene" ? |
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| 16:53.04 | lily_rose | wht |
| 16:53.38 | lily_rose | lol |
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| 16:54.48 | mohsen-rashidi | mtn, i`ll promise |
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| 16:55.00 | lily_rose | do u have Skype |
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| 16:59.48 | teraflops | mohsen-rashidi: if you want all those repos enabled may be apt-pinning is a good choice, anyway _use at your own risk_ |
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| 17:00.31 | rapha | Hi! |
| 17:00.46 | rapha | I'm running Jessie and I'd like to install https://tracker.debian.org/news/671687 ... is there a way to do that? |
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| 17:05.38 | abrotman | rapha: you'd have to backport it yourself .. |
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| 17:06.19 | rapha | abrotman: okay, i guess then i'll just compile it myself. easier |
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| 17:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, does one really backport from unstable into testing? I thought packages just migrate from unstable to testing after a time without being compiled again |
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| 17:13.39 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, misread |
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| 17:13.49 | abrotman | we should find him |
| 17:13.56 | abrotman | rapha: wait! |
| 17:14.04 | rapha | abrotman: okay, waiting... |
| 17:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 17:14.13 | abrotman | rapha: I thought you were using Wheezy |
| 17:14.16 | rapha | (had just downloaded the .tar.bz2) |
| 17:14.19 | rapha | abrotman: nope, jessie |
| 17:14.25 | abrotman | rapha: that packge should enter Jessie in 2-10 days |
| 17:14.30 | abrotman | Assuming no RC bugs |
| 17:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that just had something dramatic to it... I just imagined you on a train to nowhereland |
| 17:14.49 | rapha | abrotman: oh, i guess then i'll wait. how about downloading the .deb though and manually installing it? |
| 17:14.55 | rapha | lol |
| 17:15.23 | abrotman | rapha: you can try manually installing it, may or may not cause problems |
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| 17:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | rapha, depends on how many dependencies there are and which. you might ask at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is more focuesd on debian testing than here, maybe someone did it |
| 17:17.54 | rapha | i guess i can just try and see if it will work without any problems |
| 17:18.12 | rapha | just gotta find the .deb first ... only found that news page so far |
| 17:19.01 | abrotman | rapha: has it been accepted past NEW? |
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| 17:20.06 | abrotman | rapha: yes, accepted, use packages.debian.org to find the packages you want, such as packages.debian.org/pkgname |
| 17:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mesa |
| 17:20.15 | judd | No package named 'mesa' was found in i386. |
| 17:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, source name |
| 17:20.34 | elco_ | <3 Debian |
| 17:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 17:20.37 | elco_ | 8> Debian |
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| 17:23.18 | rapha | abrotman: i think i'm not understanding something fundamental here. on tracker.debian.org there's a page for "mesa", but on packages.debian.org when you look for "mesa" there's a whole bunch of things ... is the source package being split up into multiple binary packages? |
| 17:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yay, splendid... chromium opens downloaded images by default in internet-explorer under wine... If I'd been asked, that'd surely have been my preferred viewer |
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| 17:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | rapha, yes, and the link you pasted actually lists them all in the descriptioin and checksum parts |
| 17:26.40 | rapha | CutMeOwnThroat: for me, things get opened in wine's notepad a lot. my first choice for sure. something with wine seems to seriously mess up filetype associations. |
| 17:26.45 | valdyn | rapha: thats one source package "mesa" which gets compiled into multiple seperate .deb files |
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| 17:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | rapha, ah yes, I had that a lot, too. somehow got rid of it, I think... I guess it may be called whine because it gives you a lot to whine about |
| 17:32.08 | abrotman | rapha: mesa is the source package name |
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| 17:34.06 | elco_ | it got the potential destroying windows!!! |
| 17:34.08 | elco_ | hurra |
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| 17:42.34 | cd23ax | so what should i do if my provider blocks smtp 25? |
| 17:42.53 | cd23ax | i want to host mail server they say they wont open it this bastards |
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| 17:43.25 | cd23ax | i really need a mailserver for different forum boards |
| 17:43.55 | jelly | cd23ax: host it elsewhere; or: buy a business-model service from them with a static ip address and inbound tcp/25 allowed |
| 17:44.09 | cd23ax | it has a static ip |
| 17:44.11 | cd23ax | ... |
| 17:44.20 | cd23ax | it says nowhere that this port is closed |
| 17:44.35 | cd23ax | then if u want to host a mailserver tadaa |
| 17:44.35 | jelly | cd23ax: forum boards typically only _send_ mail. You do not need inbound tcp/25 for that |
| 17:44.36 | cd23ax | :( |
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| 17:44.50 | cd23ax | so really? |
| 17:44.55 | cd23ax | outbound is also blocked :D |
| 17:45.06 | cd23ax | i cant even telnet to hotmails server on port 25 |
| 17:45.17 | luciousjr | can anyone help me change the backround on gdm3? I've yet to find a tutorial that works |
| 17:45.27 | jelly | cd23ax: what's your goal here, sending or receiving mail, then? |
| 17:45.34 | cd23ax | both |
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| 17:46.02 | jelly | cd23ax: then there's no solution other than what I suggested already |
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| 17:49.32 | cd23ax | cant things be easy? |
| 17:49.35 | cd23ax | omg wtf world |
| 17:49.38 | cd23ax | fucking providers |
| 17:49.45 | cd23ax | i would ddos them all |
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| 17:51.01 | err404 | cd23ax, you can use any cheap vps, add somme tuneling, and use your own port 25 inside this tunnel |
| 17:51.11 | jelly | cd23ax: if you only needed to send mail, you'd be ableto install msmtp-mta and configure it to send over gmail as on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/msmtp |
| 17:51.45 | cd23ax | even this wont work for some reason 554 5.7.1 |
| 17:51.49 | jelly | err404: if he had a cheap vps, he'd be able to receive mail there, no need for vpn |
| 17:51.59 | cd23ax | its a vps |
| 17:52.00 | cd23ax | .... |
| 17:52.05 | cd23ax | and port 25 is blocked |
| 17:52.07 | err404 | but, yes, we have also some fucking provider in france, blocking port 25 :p |
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| 17:52.16 | cd23ax | yes my provider is in france too |
| 17:52.25 | cd23ax | maybe we have something incommon |
| 17:52.47 | jelly | cd23ax: what can I say, my cheap 2â¬/month .de provider does not block this traffic |
| 17:52.48 | err404 | hum, forget me, and may be use more money in a dedicated server? |
| 17:53.03 | cd23ax | jelly welchen provider hast du? |
| 17:53.05 | err404 | or use same as jelly |
| 17:53.20 | cd23ax | jelly you are german right? |
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| 17:54.35 | abrotman | cd23ax: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 17:54.40 | jelly | cd23ax: nope, and I don't speak it really. it's providerservice.com or ultravps.de |
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| 17:58.29 | cd23ax | abrotman well i have only troubles with gmail relay |
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| 17:58.40 | abrotman | cd23ax: what's your OS? |
| 17:58.45 | cd23ax | debian 7 |
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| 17:59.13 | abrotman | cd23ax: you sohuld probably start with what you've tried, and the errors you're getting |
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| 18:19.27 | ungguy | this command 'make -j3 deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-some_version' builds an image, headers and libc debs. How can I limit it to just the image deb? Thanks. |
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| 18:20.38 | tastybuds | hi. my audio is a bit bad with haswell hd audio. is there a driver one can get? |
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| 18:23.04 | tastybuds | I see my system is using snd_hda_intel to control sound |
| 18:23.13 | tastybuds | maybe configuring this will help? |
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| 18:30.05 | shpx | I have a wifi dongle, it requires the firmware-linux package, which I have installed. Plugging in the dongle shows up in /var/log/syslog and in 'lsusb'. But ifconfig only shows the etho0 and lo interfaces. |
| 18:30.22 | shpx | I've rebooted many times since install the package. |
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| 18:31.13 | shpx | installing* |
| 18:31.30 | mtn | shpx: what is the line for it from lsusb? just the one line. |
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| 18:32.10 | shpx | mtn: "Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp." |
| 18:33.00 | mtn | shpx: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 18:35.19 | shpx | mtn: I've seen that and also installed the firmware-realtek package, I'm sorry, am I missing something from that page? |
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| 18:37.32 | mtn | shpx: ok, how about this one:? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/wifi-help-debian-7-and-usb-tp-link-tl-wn725n-4175460688/ |
| 18:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | shpx, look what new lines appear in the output of dmesg when you plug the device in |
| 18:39.16 | CHVNX | I'm having some issues with Terminator, the terminal emulator. When I launch a new terminal, Terminator does not inherit the GTK theme I am using. It is configured to use the GTK theme. However, when i open the preferences window (and do nothing else) then close it, the theme is inherited. Any ideas on how to remedy or troubleshoot this sort of problem? Using testing, terminator 0.97. |
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| 18:43.45 | thedebz | i have a small homelab with 4 linux clients. how do i start learning how to distribute config files to all the computers? for instance, when i add a new host to /etc/hosts - what would be a proper way of syncing that info to the other clients /etc/hosts without having to ssh and add it manually |
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| 18:45.46 | abrotman | thedebz: puppet/chef/ansible type of things |
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| 18:46.12 | thedebz | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:46.35 | thedebz | which one do you recommend for a beginner/intermediate level of skill? |
| 18:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | thedebz, simplest case, rsync with an ssh key (either passwordless or with ssh-agent storing the pwd), from there on, there are a lot of different things that cater to different needs, like dsh, puppet, ... |
| 18:47.13 | Fusselkater | there is a cool learning vm for puppet: http://puppetlabs.com/download-learning-vm |
| 18:47.13 | abrotman | I have no idea what other skills you have. look at their docs |
| 18:47.25 | thedebz | thanks guys |
| 18:47.51 | thedebz | will the pupper labs thing work in virtual box? |
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| 18:48.56 | Fusselkater | yeah, just choose the ovf version |
| 18:49.08 | thedebz | thanks |
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| 18:49.32 | thedebz | puppet and this dsh package were what i was looking for. now i have a way tospend my sunday |
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| 18:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | how much time does it need to get familiar enough with puppet to see if it does the things one needs |
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| 18:51.30 | tastybuds | so I came up with a problem |
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| 18:51.53 | CHVNX | Thank you for creating problems. |
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| 18:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, we might have run out of if you hadn't |
| 18:52.13 | tastybuds | readme says "For OS installation, please remember add the Development tool kit." |
| 18:52.25 | tastybuds | what is this development tool kit? |
| 18:52.33 | jelly | tastybuds: what is this readme for? |
| 18:52.43 | tastybuds | installing an audio driver |
| 18:52.52 | tastybuds | from Realtek |
| 18:53.01 | _FBi | :D |
| 18:53.41 | jelly | tastybuds: let's assume that means it will try to build a kernel module. Install build-essential, and linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:53.47 | tastybuds | they also have a pdf in poor english that says: you don't install the compile application. Go install development tools. |
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| 18:53.52 | tastybuds | ok thanks jelly |
| 18:53.54 | tastybuds | :D |
| 18:54.05 | jelly | tastybuds: or better, try a newer kernel and see if the card works with it |
| 18:54.16 | tastybuds | aha i will try this first |
| 18:54.22 | jelly | tastybuds: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:54.30 | tastybuds | 7.6 |
| 18:55.05 | jelly | tastybuds: right. read "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and "/msg dpkg wheezy-backports" |
| 18:57.23 | thedebz | are KVM and QEMU the same thing? |
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| 18:59.11 | CHVNX | tastybuds: Just a guess, but I believe they mean for you to download the development packages of the dependancies. Usually they end with -dev. Or, perhaps they mean having the basic build-essentials (compilers and other tools). |
| 18:59.29 | tastybuds | the mean gcc etc |
| 18:59.36 | tastybuds | that's the error I get so.. |
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| 18:59.46 | tastybuds | I didn't look into it at first |
| 18:59.48 | tastybuds | sorry |
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| 19:01.32 | shpx | mtn: I must admit that I came across github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu, but didn't think I should install it because the wifi dongle worked before with debian without it, so I thought it was a bug with debian. Anyway, it works after installing now, thank you |
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| 19:02.06 | mtn | shpx: glad you got it working |
| 19:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | thedebz, not exactly... look at http://wiki.qemu.org/KVM |
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| 19:03.22 | thedebz | what does 'upstream' mean? i see it all the time. ex. qemu-kvm fork for x86 (deprecated, use upstream QEMU now) |
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| 19:04.28 | centrx | thedebz, The source/origin of the package that Debian uses |
| 19:04.51 | centrx | thedebz, E.g. Debian packages Linux kernels, but the major Linux development is done upstream, by Torvalds & Co. |
| 19:05.14 | thedebz | that linux torvalds guy does most of the work? |
| 19:05.27 | mtn | heh, that guy |
| 19:05.44 | centrx | I don't know about his effort level, but he is in charge of Linux _kernel_ development |
| 19:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | thedebz, it's a kind of "river" metaphor.... the software flows from the source to the end-user... and people do stuff like packaging or forks on the way to there |
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| 19:06.40 | thedebz | so if we have a fictional company called the booty bandits and they release little booties the upstream would be at HQ Booty Bandits LTD? |
| 19:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about booty bandits |
| 19:07.10 | thedebz | yes |
| 19:07.35 | thedebz | so many interesting topics i want to learn about all the time. i have a hard time choosing amongst them :( |
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| 19:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the debian projects mostly packages software... that software mostly isn't written by the project, though, there are people "upstream" who did this |
| 19:08.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | same with the qemu fork... they got code from qemu and did something with it |
| 19:08.47 | thedebz | did they github it? |
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| 19:09.23 | thedebz | and linux torvalds make git also? what can't this guy do |
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| 19:13.01 | tastybuds | I went from bad sound to no sound :P |
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| 19:13.54 | CHVNX | I'm having some issues with Terminator, the terminal emulator. When I launch a new terminal, Terminator does not inherit the GTK theme I am using. It is configured to use the GTK theme. However, when i open the preferences window (and do nothing else) then close it, the theme is inherited. Any ideas on how to remedy or troubleshoot this sort of problem? Using testing, terminator 0.97. |
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| 19:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | tastybuds, that could be seen as an improvement |
| 19:16.20 | centrx | CHVNX, sounds like a straight-up bug, I would check bugs.debian.org/terminator and the upstream bug listing |
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| 19:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | CHVNX, you could also try #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, that focuses on testing/unstable ... and yeah, maybe write a bug report on it |
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| 19:22.07 | CHVNX | centrx: CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. Known bug already reported: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706750 Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 09:51:02 UTC |
| 19:23.24 | sand3r | is there any CCleaner for linux (debian 7)? |
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| 19:23.40 | CHVNX | Bleachbit is similar. |
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| 19:23.48 | CHVNX | Be careful. |
| 19:23.54 | jelly | sand3r: what is it supposed to do? |
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| 19:24.07 | sand3r | CHVNX: be careful. with what? |
| 19:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | clean your "C" |
| 19:24.10 | CHVNX | Remove cruft, free up space. |
| 19:24.10 | sand3r | :) |
| 19:24.15 | sand3r | jelly: clean webbrowser etc.. |
| 19:24.24 | CHVNX | Be careful using bleachbit, it can alter your system in ways you didn't intend. |
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| 19:24.53 | sand3r | CHVNX: in what way? could you be more specific? |
| 19:25.19 | centrx | Those kind of tools aren't really needed on Linux |
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| 19:25.26 | centrx | If you want to clear your browser history, open up your browser |
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| 19:25.57 | centrx | If you want to clear out unused apps, try deborphan and apt-get autoremove (use both cautiously) |
| 19:26.20 | jelly | centrx: I presume it's more than just history; cookies, local storage, certificates etc |
| 19:26.29 | CHVNX | sand3r: Blachbit is what you want, and as long as you know what you want to remove, there should be no problems. |
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| 19:26.35 | jelly | outdated extensions |
| 19:26.36 | centrx | well chromium has one button for that |
| 19:26.46 | CHVNX | If you don't know what to not-remove, you might surpise yourself and blame the software instead of yourself. |
| 19:27.06 | thedebz | i have a HTPC running debian and I installed vnc4server on this machine. when I vnc into this machine from another system, I do not get the output that the TV shows, instead I get some new and separate screen. How can I VNC into the HTPC and control the main display / screen output that the htpc/tv sees? |
| 19:27.09 | jelly | centrx: it can't tell which extensions are outdated and do not event exist on the store any more |
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| 19:27.18 | jelly | even* |
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| 19:27.41 | sand3r | CHVNX: Blachbit? no bleachbit? |
| 19:28.03 | sand3r | hmh |
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| 19:36.17 | Epakai | thedebz: you want x11vnc or similar (connects to an existing x session) |
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| 19:38.11 | anddam | is a backport the best way to have python 2.7.9 on a debian stable? |
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| 19:38.59 | centrx | probably but I'm not sure backporting python actually works well |
| 19:39.16 | anddam | also what's the policy for updating packages in stable, i.e. when should an user expect an update to wheezy python package and to what version? |
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| 19:39.56 | centrx | anddam, Generally, stable packages are updated only for security issues and critical bugs |
| 19:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, that's simple... there are none... only security updates go into stable, new versions will come in with the next stable version |
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| 19:40.15 | centrx | anddam, Sometimes, like for web browsers, this means upgrading to the latest release of the software |
| 19:40.16 | tremon | anddam: upgrades to stable only happen when there's a security issue. So, a user should hope for no updates at all |
| 19:40.31 | anddam | I see |
| 19:40.34 | jeezy | milosn ? |
| 19:40.48 | anddam | when's next stable planned? |
| 19:40.52 | milosn | jeezy: aye? |
| 19:40.59 | jeezy | how are ya |
| 19:41.10 | milosn | excellent jeezy |
| 19:41.10 | tremon | ,v python |
| 19:41.13 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; sid: 2.7.8-2; jessie: 2.7.8-2 |
| 19:41.13 | tremon | ,v python3 |
| 19:41.14 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.2-2 |
| 19:41.17 | milosn | :D |
| 19:41.23 | jeezy | nice :) |
| 19:41.28 | tremon | anddam: we have -backports for new features, although python is not provided |
| 19:41.37 | thedebz | Epakai: ty! |
| 19:41.44 | anddam | I'm using a syntax with generator expressions, on my osx system 2.7.9 it works as expected but on a debian stable there was an error in SQLAlchemy and that made little sense |
| 19:41.47 | centrx | anddam, next release is currently 'frozen' and in preparation, so probably will be released x months from now where x is not too big |
| 19:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, it's already frozen... there are no fixed release-dates in debian, it will be released when the amount of bugs has reached 0... as jessie has already been frozen in november... well, say ca. half a year from the freeze on |
| 19:41.54 | anddam | I figured it was python 2.7.3 on stable |
| 19:42.24 | anddam | centrx: any specific issue with backporting python? |
| 19:42.51 | centrx | anddam, My recollection is that it's too complicated software to be done easily |
| 19:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, "freezing" testing means, no new software enters testing, only bugfixes... when all bugs are fixed, the next stable version is released... |
| 19:43.08 | centrx | dependencies |
| 19:43.55 | tremon | anddam: you'd best try pip and/or virtualenv for the time being, trying to replace the system-version of python might break many packages |
| 19:43.56 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: so that mean 2.7.8 will gon in next stable |
| 19:44.02 | anddam | tremon: that's what I was thinking |
| 19:44.08 | anddam | I'm already providing a venv for the app |
| 19:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, whatever is in jessie now will be in the next stable |
| 19:44.17 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: since 2.7.9 is not even in sid yet |
| 19:44.23 | anddam | thanks all for the info |
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| 19:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, the point of stable really is that it stays as much the same for 2 years as possible... so that you can actually use the software for doing work instead of fixing stuff all the time |
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| 19:48.37 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: I see, I'm wondering if Debian stable is the right tool for this case then |
| 19:49.05 | anddam | I always used Debian since it's easy to setup and maintain for me, but I need to inherit python updates sooner that stable does |
| 19:49.52 | blar1 | hey all; i'm trying to figure out which device my usb stick is listed under; the docs here (https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html) just say "read dmesg" - i tried that, but i don't see anything like "/dev/sdX mounted to /media/BLAH"; anyone have some pointers on how to figure out the mapping between a devices and mounted folders? |
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| 19:52.06 | tremon | blar1: mount actions are not listed in dmesg, and usb sticks are not mounted by default. You need to look for disk and/or partition lines |
| 19:52.08 | blar1 | anddam: are you trying to install python from repositories, a la apt-get, or would you be comfortable building from source? |
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| 19:52.33 | blar1 | tremon: sounds good; where do i look for disk and/or partition lines? |
| 19:52.39 | tremon | in dmesg |
| 19:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | blar1, read dmesg |
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| 19:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | SCNR |
| 19:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | blar1, look what new lines appear at the end for call "dmesg" when you plug in the stick |
| 19:54.33 | blar1 | cut: gotcha |
| 19:55.17 | anddam | blar1: I usually use a port based system, so I'm comfortable building from source, the point is that I picked Debian hoping to avoid it :-) |
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| 19:56.11 | anddam | blar1: when building from source do you mean building the deb packages or just building python? |
| 19:56.43 | blar1 | just python; build it from source and install directly, rather than using the packages |
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| 19:56.57 | elb | hi all, I'm having trouble resolving *.debian.org; it appears to be a problem with my DNS proxy (cerowrt dnsmasq), but I'm curious if anyone knows what might have changed to break it; it worked fine up until a few days ago |
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| 19:58.08 | blar1 | anddam: if you want packages that haven't hit stable yet, you can pull from unstable or experimental - of course, that means _all_ packages will be coming thus. which may not be ideal, depending on your needs |
| 19:58.19 | tastybuds | installed new kernel :| |
| 19:58.24 | tastybuds | everything works! |
| 19:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think building a package (from sid) is more difficult than building from source... the problem backporting are that sometimes build-dependencies cannot be easily fulfilled in stable |
| 19:58.35 | anddam | blar1: the system does little else than running this python webapp |
| 19:59.05 | anddam | blar1: what problems could backporting the whole shebang make arise? |
| 19:59.25 | blar1 | anddam: potential new bugs coming from not-yet-fully tested packages |
| 19:59.44 | blar1 | anddam: what are your stability needs? is this a system someone is paying you to maintain? |
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| 20:00.51 | anddam | not specifically to maintain this system, but I had to develop a webapp intranet and I had the choice of deoplyment, so I installed a debian system in a VM (the network is win only) and I'm hosting it there |
| 20:00.59 | anddam | much more mental sanity, for me |
| 20:01.48 | anddam | blar1: stability needs is that the system keep running and the webapp with it |
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| 20:02.03 | anddam | I can snapshot the vm and test a whole backport from testing |
| 20:02.34 | anddam | the application is under VCS and the db is backed up on another system so from the point of view of the application there are few issues |
| 20:02.55 | anddam | just clone and copy the db and it'll work |
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| 20:03.23 | anddam | this is for saying that the instability that you mentioned (that I assumed where related to the system) could be just reverted and the app started again |
| 20:03.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, you know how to backport from testing? if not /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:04.01 | anddam | I know |
| 20:04.08 | anddam | I've been querying dpkg for years |
| 20:04.12 | anddam | thanks |
| 20:04.19 | anddam | that's the simple backporting |
| 20:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... testing has been frozen for 3 months now... maybe it would be an option to upgrade to jessie a bit early |
| 20:04.36 | centrx | Yes that is a solid option |
| 20:04.40 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: also, so I'd just be there when it goes stable |
| 20:04.54 | anddam | but IIRC there was a security fix lately, that moved 2.7.8 to 2.7.9 |
| 20:04.59 | anddam | and jessie has 2.7.8 |
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| 20:05.16 | anddam | so the upgrade issue would still stand |
| 20:05.32 | anddam | I'd prefer to use latest python stable |
| 20:05.54 | anddam | let's check changelog |
| 20:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could look at the discussion about that security fix ... and maybe contribute |
| 20:06.23 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: or maybe I'm just remembering wrong, let me check the release docs |
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| 20:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously, everyone will want to include security fixes before the release... |
| 20:07.44 | anddam | 2.7.9 added changes to ssl module |
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| 20:09.17 | anddam | https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-279/ with PEP 466 being "Network Security Enhancements for Python 2.7.x" |
| 20:10.13 | anddam | the update seems worth a short, security-wise |
| 20:10.32 | anddam | in my case it should make much difference as my code works in 2.7.8, just not in 2..73 |
| 20:10.38 | anddam | 2.7.3* |
| 20:10.53 | anddam | thanks again, I'll probably just jump to jessie |
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| 20:23.03 | cbro | hi all, I am using the screen command in Debian to run a long running script.. how do I store the output to a file? |
| 20:23.12 | cbro | I keep running and there is no output logged |
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| 20:23.26 | cbro | is it possible to see the output of the last screen run? |
| 20:23.39 | abrotman | cbro: man script |
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| 20:24.55 | cbro | so first type script |
| 20:25.04 | cbro | and then type âscreen command"? |
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| 20:25.23 | blar1 | cbro: $ man screen |
| 20:25.42 | cbro | abrotman: do you know if its possible to somehow find the output of the screen command? |
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| 20:26.15 | crhylove | Anybody here used rbackup or lbackup or rsnapshot? |
| 20:26.21 | crhylove | Any advice on any of those? |
| 20:26.22 | blar1 | cbro: it's the output of the long-running command whose output you want, right? |
| 20:26.48 | cbro | blar1: yes |
| 20:26.58 | cbro | it keeps writing to stdout |
| 20:27.02 | blar1 | cbro: $ command > out-file-name |
| 20:27.20 | cbro | yeah but I wanted to use screen so I can check it later from home etc |
| 20:27.26 | blar1 | cbro: the ">" operator instructs your shell to write the command's stdout to your specified file |
| 20:27.33 | cbro | since it takes a couple of hours to run.. when I close the unix window I donât want the process to stop |
| 20:27.39 | blar1 | cbro: in another terminal, $ tail out-file-name |
| 20:27.41 | cbro | yeah I know |
| 20:27.53 | tremon | cbro: start screen without a command, that will give you a new shell |
| 20:27.59 | cbro | but when the terminal is shut down then the process is stopped too |
| 20:28.37 | cbro | so the idea is that I have a script which calls many other scripts and all over it can take 5-6 hours to run.. I just want to check up on it from time to time |
| 20:28.47 | cbro | the script is running on a remote machine |
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| 20:29.16 | cbro | screen ./cmd.sh &> output.log |
| 20:29.19 | cbro | this didnât work |
| 20:29.39 | blar1 | cbro: i'm not familiar with screen's approach to this problem, but tmux will keep your shells running even after you disconnect from the machine |
| 20:29.46 | blar1 | cbro: might try tmux instead |
| 20:30.00 | cbro | whats tmux? |
| 20:30.34 | blar1 | cbro: a terminal multiplexer; another solution to the "multiple shells" problem which screen addresses |
| 20:30.55 | blar1 | http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:31.08 | cbro | ok but how is this different from the screen command? |
| 20:31.14 | cbro | seems to do what screen does right? |
| 20:31.58 | cbro | or should I use nohup in front of my command? |
| 20:32.04 | blar1 | cbro: yes; like i said: i'm not familiar with the details of how screen solves the problem. i just know that tmux will continue to manage all the sessions which you open, even after you disconnect from it |
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| 20:32.24 | cbro | yeah screen does the same⦠I just need to log the output though |
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| 20:32.37 | cbro | the problem I have is that when the screen command is done⦠then there is no output |
| 20:32.38 | blar1 | cbro: so, you can ssh into your machine, launch tmux, start you script, disconnect from the tmux session, and it will keep running |
| 20:32.43 | elb | cbro: the problem there is that you're logging the stderr of *screen* |
| 20:32.53 | blar1 | cbro: allowing you to connect again later and reconnect to the same session |
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| 20:33.03 | cbro | blar1: screen does exactly that |
| 20:33.16 | cbro | I can already log back in and out to check the process |
| 20:33.23 | cbro | elb: how do I get around that problem then? |
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| 20:33.58 | cbro | should I output things in the script itself? |
| 20:34.05 | cbro | hmm maybe that way it should work? |
| 20:34.13 | elb | I'm testing |
| 20:34.21 | elb | I'm nto sure screen allows you to easily do that on its command line |
| 20:34.22 | jhutchins | cbro: Screen has the abilithy to record a session, or even to save it after you've run it. |
| 20:34.32 | elb | I think you need to write a wrapper script if you want to capture only stderr |
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| 20:34.39 | elb | something like |
| 20:34.50 | elb | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:34.52 | cbro | I want to capture stdout too |
| 20:34.53 | jhutchins | elb: Check the manpage. Couldn't be easier. |
| 20:35.02 | elb | "$@" 2> output.txt |
| 20:35.05 | jhutchins | cbro: manpage. man screen. |
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| 20:35.20 | blar1 | cbro: command &> file |
| 20:35.25 | cbro | donât have a man entry on the machine |
| 20:35.26 | blar1 | pipes stderr and stdout to file |
| 20:35.53 | cbro | jhutchins: whats the switch you refer to? |
| 20:36.07 | elb | jhutchins: are you referring to using the exec command? |
| 20:36.12 | cbro | this is what I did earlier â> screen ./cmd.sh &> output.log |
| 20:36.24 | cbro | that didnât work |
| 20:36.40 | blar1 | right, but you were capturing the stderr and stdout of screen - not your command |
| 20:36.45 | elb | cbro: right, beacuse that is parsed by the shell as 'run screen ./cmd.sh and redirect the output of screen to output.log' |
| 20:36.54 | blar1 | your command was writing ITS outputs to the screen proc |
| 20:37.42 | cbro | ok |
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| 20:37.58 | cbro | so now whats the right command using screen then? |
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| 20:38.20 | cbro | or should I just inside of cmd.sh make it write its output to a file? |
| 20:38.23 | elb | I dunno, I'm looking for jhutchins' "couldn't be easier" answer, and I don't see it |
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| 20:38.30 | elb | but that was apparently a drive-by RTFM |
| 20:38.32 | cbro | elb: me too |
| 20:38.37 | blar1 | cbro: so it sounds like you want to start screen, THEN start your script; and either record the outputs via screen or pipe its outputs to a file and use tail to check on it |
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| 20:39.07 | elb | anyway, there are definitely ways to do things in .screenrc |
| 20:39.12 | elb | which may be what he meant (?) |
| 20:39.18 | cbro | dunno |
| 20:39.20 | cbro | will check it out |
| 20:39.23 | elb | but let's back this up |
| 20:39.36 | elb | if you're wanting to redirect the output, and not check the actual screen, why are you using screen? |
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| 20:40.36 | elb | (or is there more to this?) |
| 20:40.51 | elb | if you just want to run a command and log its output such that it's divorced from your terminal, do something like |
| 20:41.40 | elb | nohup cmd <&- >& logfile.txt |
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| 20:41.54 | elb | that should preserve the command even if your terminal exits |
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| 20:42.30 | Brumble | My old laptop computer dissapoints me, it has Intel 945GM graphics, I wish it could run the new gnome smooth in Debian Sid but it just can't. |
| 20:44.15 | elb | cbro: oh, jhutchins may have been talking about screen output logging |
| 20:44.43 | elb | which actually will do what you want, but I don't know how to change hte output filename without a .screenrc |
| 20:44.53 | elb | (maybe it can be done) |
| 20:44.56 | Brumble | Lxde works all right in Debian Stable, but in the Sid version removed the ugly ubuntu branding from synaptic package manager wich I like. :P |
| 20:45.12 | Brumble | Which' typo |
| 20:45.33 | elb | cbro: if you start screen with -L, it'll dump everything that happens in *every window* to the file screenlog.N, where N is the window number |
| 20:45.50 | elb | it's ... not idea |
| 20:45.51 | elb | ideal |
| 20:46.09 | elb | but maybe it "couldn't be easier" if you're not much concerned about details |
| 20:46.18 | cbro | I think nohup is better |
| 20:46.25 | elb | if you have a .screenrc or are willing to finger-twiddle settinsg you can turn on logging for individual windows and set the filename |
| 20:46.28 | cbro | but whats the <&~ do? |
| 20:46.42 | elb | <&- closes stdin |
| 20:46.42 | abrotman | Wait, what? |
| 20:47.14 | elb | if you don't close stdin/stdout/stderr when you nohup, SIGHUP can still leak though to the process |
| 20:47.19 | elb | even with nohup |
| 20:48.11 | elb | (it's not supposed to, but ... my experience is that it can) |
| 20:48.22 | abrotman | elb: tried 'script' ? |
| 20:48.32 | elb | I've used script many times |
| 20:48.36 | elb | it's not what cbro wants here |
| 20:48.42 | abrotman | not sure why not? |
| 20:48.51 | elb | it's for logging an interactive session |
| 20:49.50 | abrotman | script can do that |
| 20:50.01 | elb | (script + nohup could achieve this, but you'd still need nohop, and at that point, why are you using script?) |
| 20:50.13 | elb | (I guess if all you have is a hammer, but in fact what we have is the bourne shell) |
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| 20:50.21 | abrotman | script+screen does what he's asking |
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| 20:50.36 | elb | oh, yes, it certainly does |
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| 20:50.45 | elb | if he actually wants to *go back to* the screen |
| 20:51.00 | abrotman | he doesn't have to ... |
| 20:51.08 | elb | right, but then he doesn't need screen |
| 20:51.18 | elb | you're right, if we're using screen, script is a perfectly reasonable solution |
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| 20:52.40 | elb | ahh I see you had suggested that before I got here |
| 20:53.04 | elb | another drive-by RTFM that wasn't understood |
| 20:53.46 | elb | cbro: if you use script, as abrotman suggested way up there, you run the script *inside* screen ... so 'screen script -c cmd logfile' |
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| 21:03.26 | galex-713 | Hello, under testing xaos segfault, how can I dowgrade? |
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| 21:04.26 | abrotman | galex-713: is your entire system up to date in mjessie? |
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| 21:08.21 | galex-713 | abrotman: â¦nah⦠but xaos is |
| 21:08.25 | galex-713 | I just reinstalled it |
| 21:08.32 | galex-713 | But I can upgrade it |
| 21:08.36 | galex-713 | apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:11.11 | abrotman | galex-713: you should dist-upgrade your box and get evreything up to date |
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| 21:14.32 | galex-713 | abrotman: ok |
| 21:14.44 | rainfyre | hey folks. i'm running jessie on an 8g flash drive and am a little short on space. I ran baobab and notices that my /usr/share/locale/ directory takes up 400 megs and i'm wondering if there's a way to reconfigure something so that it's a little smaller. thanks in advance |
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| 21:16.21 | tastybuds | you could get rid of gnome |
| 21:16.40 | rainfyre | is that all it would take? |
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| 21:17.50 | centrx | rainfyre, I just found this package "localepurge" |
| 21:18.25 | centrx | rainfyre, but also things like Gnome take up a lot of space anyway, aside from these locales |
| 21:18.51 | rainfyre | centrx: cool, I thought I had already removed gnome, I'll check out localepurge too. removing gnome atm |
| 21:20.22 | rainfyre | wow localepurge where have you been all my linuxy days? |
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| 21:20.45 | centrx | rainfyre, well it's not really the best solution |
| 21:21.13 | rainfyre | centrx: well, I'm open to suggestions |
| 21:21.32 | centrx | rainfyre, it removes files that belong in installed packages, see the warning in the package description |
| 21:21.39 | centrx | rainfyre, If you remove Gnome that should free up a lot of space |
| 21:21.57 | centrx | rainfyre, Also see what apt-get autoremove and deborphan suggest to remove |
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| 21:22.32 | tastybuds | rainfyre, follow this: https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xfce_in_an_already_installed_system |
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| 21:22.44 | tastybuds | I saved lots of space this way |
| 21:22.46 | rainfyre | tastybuds: thank you |
| 21:23.00 | rainfyre | tastybuds: i always install xfce anyway, nice to know how to do it right |
| 21:23.37 | tastybuds | install only the core xfce4 without the goodies |
| 21:23.39 | tastybuds | to save space |
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| 21:23.49 | tastybuds | after uninstalling GNOME |
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| 21:24.11 | abrotman | !enter |
| 21:24.11 | rainfyre | ahh ok |
| 21:24.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 21:25.29 | tastybuds | just note that after uninstalling GNOME + reboot your system will load in command line |
| 21:25.47 | tastybuds | there you have to give the command apt-get install xfce4 |
| 21:25.54 | rainfyre | i'm used to it |
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| 21:26.07 | rainfyre | i normally do a minimal install |
| 21:26.19 | tastybuds | also it will take away gdm3 and you'll have to startx :p |
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| 21:26.24 | tastybuds | but you can install it again later |
| 21:26.26 | rainfyre | i've just had this flash drive install going since squeeze, it's a bit loaded up lol |
| 21:26.41 | rainfyre | i use startx and lightdm anyway :) |
| 21:26.45 | tastybuds | ah nice |
| 21:26.48 | abrotman | tastybuds: you know you can install xfce and another DM before rebooting?> |
| 21:26.49 | rainfyre | well, either/or |
| 21:26.57 | rainfyre | ^^ |
| 21:26.58 | abrotman | and then it won't come up in a CLI |
| 21:27.04 | rainfyre | exactly |
| 21:27.08 | tastybuds | yeah abrotman that's also true |
| 21:27.25 | rainfyre | i like to grab wicd-curses while i'm at it too |
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| 21:27.43 | rainfyre | before i delete my network manager when i remove gnome |
| 21:28.05 | gele | hello, i'm having some installation problems. i've messed up the root filesystem on my laptop to the degree that it doesn't even boot most of the time (btrfs, should have known better), and now i want to reinstall debian on it and restore my backups as soon as possible. however, i have no working installation media that i can overwrite. i do have a tails usb stick - would it be possible to run the debian installer from that somehow and insta |
| 21:28.06 | gele | ll onto the laptop's hard disk? |
| 21:28.08 | rainfyre | anyway, that freed up 300 megs for me, which is enough to keep things moving. thank you everyone |
| 21:28.30 | tastybuds | rainfyre, indeed i have problems with not having a network manager :P |
| 21:28.35 | tastybuds | had* |
| 21:28.35 | gele | (tails can install all debian packages) |
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| 21:28.56 | tastybuds | debian is forgiving tho |
| 21:29.04 | rainfyre | tastybuds: yep. |
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| 21:29.10 | gele | in other words, is it possible to run the debian installer on an existing debian system rather than booting it on its own? |
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| 21:30.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gele about debootstrap |
| 21:30.30 | abrotman | gele: maybe .. backup your data if you can |
| 21:30.43 | tremon | gele: not the installer itself, but you can run debootstrap, which is what the installer uses to install the base system |
| 21:30.59 | gele | abrotman: it's already backed up, i did the weekly one yesterday. |
| 21:31.10 | abrotman | gele: see what the bot told you |
| 21:31.18 | gele | ok, so if i want luks and lvm i need to set that up manually first? |
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| 21:56.51 | _1_teebanks | debian |
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| 22:05.32 | Charles939 | Hey guys, so... I just installed Debian 7.8 on my new 4tb HD. I went to restart it right when the install finished and am now receiving the following error: "file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found. Entering grub rescue" |
| 22:06.11 | Charles939 | Strange part is, when I use yumi's live usb I am able to boot into Debian if I enter 'continue to HD' |
| 22:06.36 | Charles939 | I'm assuming yumi is taking the place of grub sort to speak? (Sorry i'm a linux rookie ;3) |
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| 22:08.15 | Brigo | Charles939, you are right, grub is missconfigured, did you try to reinstall it? |
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| 22:08.43 | Charles939 | No... figured i'd talk to the experts first to see if there was a quick fix ;P |
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| 22:08.53 | Charles939 | Brigo: Could it have anything to do with my using a 4tb HD? |
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| 22:09.11 | Charles939 | Brigo: Did some research and saw that some other user's were having similar issues when installing on a partition larger than 1tb |
| 22:09.22 | Brigo | Charles939, not sure, are you using amd64 or i386? |
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| 22:09.31 | Charles939 | Brigo: amd64 |
| 22:10.04 | frostschutz | Charles939, no boot partition? |
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| 22:10.24 | elb | boot to HD using that yumi, then try 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' or 'dpkg-configure grub-efi-amd64' (depending on whether you're using EFI or legacy BIOS boot) followed by update-grub |
| 22:10.26 | Charles939 | frostschutz: no, I only partitioned a '/' and swap |
| 22:10.27 | Brigo | if you cannot solve the problem reinstalling or reconfiguring grub you can try to create a small partition for grub |
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| 22:11.08 | Charles939 | frostschutz: figured it would have created a boot partition automatically? O_o |
| 22:11.16 | elb | hmmmm unless you did a completely manual partitioning it really should have created a /boot |
| 22:11.19 | elb | and possibly a /boot/efi |
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| 22:11.45 | frostschutz | Charles939, well, normally it just works anyway, but ... if you don't have one it's certainly worth trying |
| 22:11.53 | Charles939 | elb: Erm, i did a manual partitioning *caugh *sigh |
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| 22:13.38 | Charles939 | elb: How long does the boot partition need to be? |
| 22:13.47 | Charles939 | elb: I guess i'm just going to reinstall |
| 22:13.59 | elb | I would do semi-guided partitioning |
| 22:14.02 | elb | I forget the exact term |
| 22:14.08 | Charles939 | elb: okay |
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| 22:14.11 | Charles939 | thanks guys<3 |
| 22:14.13 | elb | but ... where you tell it how big you want partitions to be, but it handles all the details |
| 22:14.22 | Charles939 | kk |
| 22:14.24 | elb | it'll then create a /boot of a suggested size |
| 22:14.28 | Charles939 | ;o |
| 22:14.32 | elb | probably something like 256 or 512 MB, I'm not sure what it is these days |
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| 22:16.59 | Brigo | Charles939, my /boot with 4 installed kernels, 93M. |
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| 22:17.52 | shay_shay | nom nom |
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| 22:52.10 | galex-713 | abrotman: still not working |
| 22:52.12 | galex-713 | :/ |
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| 22:57.27 | temhaa1 | hi |
| 22:57.39 | temhaa1 | I have questin about directory permissions |
| 22:58.18 | deepy | Never used 777, just don't. It's always the wrong solution |
| 22:58.21 | deepy | use* |
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| 22:59.21 | temhaa1 | x directory is sub directory of y. permission of y is 740. x directory permission is 755. |
| 22:59.39 | temhaa1 | can I access to x directory as another user |
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| 23:02.11 | elb | temhaa1: sort of |
| 23:02.22 | elb | temhaa1: you want to make y at least 750, or 710, depending on what you're doing |
| 23:03.25 | elb | temhaa1: as you described it, the user can list y and see x, but can't reach x |
| 23:06.15 | temhaa1 | elb: actually y directory is /root . I want access to file in /root directory. /root permission dr-xr-x--- . My want access file in /root permission drwxr-xr-x . I can not access with this permissions |
| 23:06.39 | teraflops | quit |
| 23:07.02 | temhaa1 | elb: without disregarding safety. how can I do |
| 23:07.32 | elb | temhaa1: that sounds to me like it should work |
| 23:07.40 | elb | (but those are different permissions from what you said before) |
| 23:07.42 | elb | OH |
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| 23:07.58 | elb | I was assuming the other user was in the group of y |
| 23:08.07 | elb | but you won't be in root |
| 23:08.30 | elb | so you need to either add an acl or modify some gruops |
| 23:08.35 | elb | an acl may be what you want here |
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| 23:08.36 | temhaa1 | elb: oh my root \: |
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| 23:09.11 | temhaa1 | elb: fuck the security, permissions. :( |
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| 23:10.20 | elb | temhaa1: what are you actually trying to accomplish |
| 23:10.26 | tastybuds | is there a way to tell if a package is available in backports? (without trying to download it) |
| 23:10.38 | tastybuds | (or checking the online archive) |
| 23:10.45 | elb | temhaa1: you probably wnat ot setfacl a *particular* user to +rx on /root |
| 23:10.50 | elb | then you should be good |
| 23:10.53 | elb | or maybe even just +x |
| 23:11.09 | elb | tastybuds: if you have backports installed in general, apt-cache policy <package> |
| 23:11.19 | tastybuds | thanks a lot elb |
| 23:11.21 | tastybuds | :) |
| 23:11.28 | elb | (see, e.g., apt-cache-policy linux-image-generic) |
| 23:11.40 | temhaa1 | elb: If I give +x to all user. is it safety? |
| 23:11.42 | tastybuds | got it! |
| 23:11.54 | elb | temhaa1: maybe, maybe not |
| 23:11.59 | elb | depends on what else is in /root |
| 23:12.07 | elb | (it's probably OK, I probably wouldnt do it) |
| 23:12.27 | tastybuds | this works very well elb! |
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| 23:12.47 | temhaa1 | elb: I think wrong method. I should solve another way |
| 23:13.37 | elb | temhaa1: if you can elucidate what you're actually trying to do, there's probably a better way |
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| 23:13.44 | elb | ilke putting this somewhere other than /root ;-) |
| 23:14.02 | tastybuds | also, is there a way to install the newest using priority codes? (may be a stupid question) |
| 23:14.16 | temhaa1 | elb: Eureka :D |
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| 23:14.56 | temhaa1 | elb: maybe I can add user to sudoers just ls command |
| 23:15.25 | temhaa1 | elb: is it possible |
| 23:15.54 | elb | temhaa1: yes, it is |
| 23:16.26 | elb | something like <username> ALL: /bin/ls /root/x |
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| 23:16.52 | elb | tastybuds: I don't understand the question |
| 23:17.32 | elb | temhaa1: I highly recommend having a root terminal open when you muck with sudo |
| 23:17.37 | elb | in case you break it ;-) |
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| 23:17.51 | elb | (that's easier to do dropping something in /etc/sudoers.d/ than with visudo, because visudo will warn you) |
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| 23:18.49 | temhaa1 | elb: I dont understand you say. sorry my english is very bad. |
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| 23:19.30 | elb | temhaa1: if you put something in /etc/sudoers which is syntactically incorrect, sudo will stop working |
| 23:19.47 | elb | temhaa1: so I run 'sudo -s' before I edit anything to do with sudo configuration |
| 23:19.56 | elb | then if you break it, you already have a root terminal :-) |
| 23:20.39 | temhaa1 | elb: Ok :) thank Im trying |
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| 23:21.56 | temhaa1 | elb: I adding to sudoers as nopasswd |
| 23:23.59 | elb | temhaa1: that's fine if it's a completely specified command that's reasonably safe |
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| 23:27.52 | tastybuds | let's say I have an application (octave) from wheezy and I want the new version from wheezy-backports. I tried install --upgrade-only but it says it's up to date, possibly because apt is checking the old repos. Do I have to purge&re-install? |
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| 23:28.36 | centrx | tastybuds, Did you put the backports line in sources.list and run apt-get upgrade ? |
| 23:28.57 | tastybuds | I did put it but did not run apt-get upgrade |
| 23:29.12 | Epakai | that would upgrade a lot of things if it's not pinned properly |
| 23:29.28 | tastybuds | I don't mind if the result works somehow |
| 23:29.47 | Dizzy8778 | Maybe it's just placebo, but sometimes i think things run smoother with aptitude upgrade instead of apt-get |
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| 23:29.57 | tastybuds | I find that too^^ |
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| 23:30.23 | elb | tastybuds: you need -t wheezy-backports |
| 23:30.41 | tastybuds | aah yes |
| 23:30.42 | elb | try apt-get install -t wheezy-backports octave |
| 23:30.54 | elb | (I can'tremember if you need install instead of upgrade or not; I think you do) |
| 23:30.59 | tastybuds | yeah that worked but before that I purged the old one |
| 23:31.07 | tastybuds | to avoid any conflicts |
| 23:31.09 | elb | yeah, purging won't hurt anything, that's for sure |
| 23:31.17 | tastybuds | I'm a bit scared u see |
| 23:33.50 | Dizzy8778 | The whole scared part, me being a linux newbie too got me into sandboxing everything in a vm. I have an identical as possible vm that matches the setup of my main system and try it out in the vm first to see what happens. |
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| 23:38.29 | Lis | hello everyone, can someone tell me how to set kernel options for the installer? |
| 23:38.38 | Lis | i didnt found any example within the docs |
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| 23:41.12 | somiaj | Lis: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en -- I think there is an option somewhere in the first install menu you get, there is the documenation on it, though it is more about what parameters you can use and not how to enter them in |
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| 23:42.28 | Lis | somiaj, yea i read that already. if i go under advanced -> express install i can edit the grub boot script. but how can i test if my changes have effect. i try to install debian on uefi and only get a black screen |
| 23:42.59 | somiaj | Lis: are you trying to install on a macbook? Did you disable secure boot? |
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| 23:43.28 | Lis | somiaj, i disabled secure boot and try to install on an msi ge60 |
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| 23:44.28 | somiaj | Lis: how did you create the install medium? |
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| 23:44.40 | somiaj | Lis: are you using an official debian installer or a debian live image? |
| 23:44.55 | Lis | somiaj, download -> checksum -> burn cd |
| 23:45.03 | Lis | somiaj, official |
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| 23:45.39 | somiaj | so you burnt it to a cd, that should be fine then. Just making sure you didn't use unetbootin or something like that |
| 23:46.16 | somiaj | Sounds like you have everything set up fine from my experience, I have to leave so I don't have time to try to debug it |
| 23:46.29 | Lis | kk bb |
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| 23:47.46 | bonjurkes | ahoy guys |
| 23:48.17 | bonjurkes | I am trying to flush all rules from my iptables by iptables --flush but it keeps showing the rules when I do iptables -t NAT -L |
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| 23:50.11 | somiaj | bonjurkes: you have to flush each table sepertally, so iptables -t NAT --flush I think is what you need |
| 23:50.22 | somiaj | bonjurkes: I belive that is how it works, |
| 23:51.09 | bonjurkes | should I save iptables after flushing somiaj |
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| 23:52.54 | somiaj | bonjurkes: I think this depends on your setup, after you flush them they are done. But you could have init scripts that restore rules from a config file or script. You will have to modify that or next time you boot the old rules will be back |
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| 23:55.59 | bonjurkes | somiaj http://pastebin.com/Pnhjx50r |
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| 23:57.19 | bonjurkes | worked now |
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