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| 00:03.07 | jeezy | sydney here? |
| 00:03.22 | jeezy | i had a highlight earlier but it is too far back in my buffer :| |
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| 00:04.33 | sydney | jeezy: Hey! Im afk :( |
| 00:04.40 | jeezy | ah! |
| 00:04.44 | sydney | You caught me at a bad time. |
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| 00:06.44 | jeezy | ah; sorry about that! |
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| 00:07.01 | octocpp | I kind of asked this before, but someone insisting it is correct that apt-get upgrade mathpac does this |
| 00:07.14 | octocpp | The upgrade option will insure all dependencies are met when the latest version is installed. update is used to resynchronize the package index files from their sources. The indexes of available packages are fetched from the location(s) specified in /etc/ apt/sources.list. |
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| 00:07.24 | octocpp | is this true? |
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| 00:07.49 | ilk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.53 | octocpp | I think upgrade does not accept a package as a field right? |
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| 00:09.01 | rebauld | you just want to use apt-get? for specific packages |
| 00:09.42 | octocpp | This is the proposed problem, "You have installed a package called mathpac with apt-get. After a system upgrade, the package is not working correctly. Which command is the most correct option to get the package to work?" |
| 00:10.06 | octocpp | apt-get upgrade mathpac is supposed to be the answer |
| 00:10.20 | octocpp | but I dont think upgrade works like that. |
| 00:10.24 | octocpp | right? |
| 00:10.27 | Brigo | octocpp, sadly there is not a de-upgrade command :D |
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| 00:11.08 | Brigo | what is mathpac? |
| 00:11.21 | octocpp | it is a quiz question and I think it is incorrect, unless there is a hidden feature to apt-get update that i am not aware of? |
| 00:11.28 | octocpp | just an example |
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| 00:12.07 | octocpp | sorry |
| 00:12.11 | octocpp | apt-get upgrade mathpac |
| 00:12.17 | octocpp | upgrade, not update |
| 00:12.42 | octocpp | but upgrade does not take a package name after it ever , does it? |
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| 00:14.29 | Brigo | octocpp, i asked you about the mathpac package becasue i think that package does not belong debian. |
| 00:15.06 | rebauld | that proposed problem looks suspiciouly like question 23 on the linux test .. |
| 00:15.14 | Brigo | octocpp, and then debian cannot find the upgrade package -if available- . And debian cannot test its compatibility. |
| 00:15.34 | octocpp | Brigo: It is a quiz question, I am not even sure if mathpac is a real package anywhere, it is a hypothetical quiz question that I think is incorrect. |
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| 00:16.02 | hpucks | I think mathpac is just a dummy name for his quiz question. |
| 00:16.06 | octocpp | Brigo: ok, apt-get upgrade realpackage |
| 00:16.08 | LtExcalibur | hey everyone. i was wondering if its possible to set up vnc without a reboot? |
| 00:16.43 | octocpp | Brigo: the question is, does apt-get upgrade accept a package name as a viable field |
| 00:16.43 | Brigo | octocpp, now i got it. |
| 00:16.56 | Brigo | octocpp, no it would not have sense. |
| 00:17.09 | Brigo | no, it would not have sense. |
| 00:17.11 | octocpp | Brigo: I think apt-get upgrade, and that is it, I dont think you can put a package name after it right? |
| 00:17.12 | Brigo | i meant :) |
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| 00:17.32 | rebauld | Brigo: do you want to have octocpp as your sysadmin some day? ;) |
| 00:17.35 | Brigo | octocpp, no, you cant, you have to use apt-get install <package>. |
| 00:17.58 | LtExcalibur | ? |
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| 00:18.06 | LtExcalibur | test |
| 00:18.19 | LtEddie | there. anyways any one know? |
| 00:18.20 | Brigo | octocpp, but if the system could upgraded the package, the package would be upgraded. |
| 00:18.22 | octocpp | Brigo: that is what I thought too, but I am arguing with someone who hosts the test lol, I said your question is wrong, and the answer does not exist as an option lol |
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| 00:18.49 | rebauld | LtEddie: of course no one reboots any more |
| 00:18.54 | octocpp | Brigo: there point was that it would somehow upgrade just that package, and Im like, ummm, no it wont lol |
| 00:18.58 | LtEddie | how rebauld xP? |
| 00:19.09 | rebauld | just apt get it and then start it |
| 00:19.25 | LtEddie | err ok xP |
| 00:19.39 | rebauld | probable service vnc start |
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| 00:19.55 | Brigo | octocpp, if you want to upgrade just thata package you can achieve it with apt-get install <package> |
| 00:19.58 | rebauld | but i would guess you need to do some config? |
| 00:20.12 | octocpp | Brigo: right, that is what I thought too. |
| 00:20.14 | LtEddie | vnc doesnt exist |
| 00:20.16 | Brigo | octocpp, but not after a upgrade |
| 00:20.36 | octocpp | you can even do apt-get install --only-upgrade package |
| 00:21.09 | Brigo | is there such an option? |
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| 00:21.19 | octocpp | Brigo: There question is "You have installed a package called mathpac with apt-get. After a system upgrade, the package is not working correctly. Which command is the most correct option to get the package to work? " |
| 00:21.32 | octocpp | The question sort of doesnt make sense either |
| 00:21.55 | LtEddie | rebauld: |
| 00:21.57 | rebauld | LtEddie: isn't it vncserver |
| 00:21.57 | Brigo | octocpp, i agree. |
| 00:22.01 | LtEddie | umm |
| 00:22.10 | LtEddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.13 | LtEddie | n0pe |
| 00:22.30 | octocpp | Brigo: lol, and then "apt-get upgrade mathpac" is not going to fix your problem lol |
| 00:22.32 | jeezy | sydney: give me a holla later; ill be around ð± |
| 00:22.35 | rebauld | google for it |
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| 00:23.19 | octocpp | Brigo: k, thanks for looking into that with me. |
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| 00:23.33 | Brigo | octocpp, np :) |
| 00:25.06 | LtEddie | rebauld: http://linux.die.net/man/1/vncserver |
| 00:25.11 | LtEddie | when I do vncserver |
| 00:25.18 | LtEddie | it does stuff and says stuff but idk |
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| 00:29.35 | LtEddie | rebauld: im using http://dev.man-online.org/package/main/vnc4server/ |
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| 00:32.18 | rebauld | look in the /etc/init.d to see what it is |
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| 00:45.50 | rebauld | you north ameRicans with telescopes should get us some video of this http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/giant-asteroid-to-whip-past-earth/ |
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| 00:49.42 | jordila | hi #debian community |
| 00:49.50 | jordila | ... damned acronyms, what does HVM stands for ? |
| 00:49.53 | cheapie_ | OK, so I just had to reinstall Debian on this box (sort of a long story...). Anyway, before the reinstall, I had the "radeon" driver installed and working for my Radeon HD 7770. Now, I can't seem to make it work. Minetest runs, but only at around 1/4 the frame rate it used to, despite being installed the same way as before. And yes, I did make sure the driver was installed, and the firmware is installed as well. I'm using sid, just like before the |
| 00:49.54 | cheapie_ | reinstall. I have also tried it without an xorg.conf, as well as one that simply tells it to use the "radeon" driver for my video card, with no luck. Any ideas? |
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| 00:50.50 | jordila | ( context : i'm setting up a Debian GNU / Linux (HVM ) :-/ ... what does HVM stands for ? thanks ! |
| 00:51.47 | cheapie_ | jordila: I've never heard of that before, but it seems to have something to do with hardware-accelerated virtualization. |
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| 00:53.10 | cheapie_ | jordila: According to Wikipedia: "Hardware-assisted virtualization is also known as accelerated virtualization; Xen calls it hardware virtual machine (HVM), and Virtual Iron calls it native virtualization." |
| 00:56.02 | nettus | hi |
| 00:56.03 | nettus | hehe |
| 00:56.17 | nettus | So I removed the packages from repository, apt-get update, but still aptitude versions list me that package. |
| 00:56.21 | LtEddie | rebauld: still cant find it |
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| 00:56.22 | LtEddie | :L |
| 00:56.23 | nettus | How can I purge the whole damn cache of it? |
| 00:56.28 | nettus | apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean hadn't helped. |
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| 01:01.21 | CHVNX | How did you remove the packages? |
| 01:01.36 | CHVNX | apt-get is not aptitude |
| 01:01.55 | CHVNX | nettus: ^ |
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| 01:02.18 | nettus | yes |
| 01:02.21 | nettus | but aptitude should share it |
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| 01:02.37 | CHVNX | How did you remove the packages? |
| 01:02.46 | CHVNX | What method? |
| 01:04.08 | nettus | removed from repository, I purged it completely to get a reset |
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| 01:07.40 | eyebrowns | hello. |
| 01:07.55 | cheapie_ | Hi. |
| 01:08.15 | eyebrowns | i cant paste on pase.debian.net. it writes something about spam wordfilter 3 hits score bla bla bla |
| 01:08.39 | eyebrowns | some magic spell |
| 01:08.49 | Simotek-Work | try a different paste bin, theres 50 billion out there |
| 01:08.59 | eyebrowns | but i love debian pastebin |
| 01:09.06 | OSVG | Then stop posting spam? |
| 01:09.16 | cheapie_ | I personally use pastebin.ubuntu.com (yes, I know... works for me, though). |
| 01:09.16 | eyebrowns | i didnt post it |
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| 01:10.07 | eyebrowns | who is admin? say him check this please |
| 01:10.10 | acz32 | i think debian pastebin pastes need to be at least 2 lines long |
| 01:10.21 | acz32 | so just add some random character on a newline |
| 01:10.23 | eyebrowns | of course my code is long |
| 01:10.33 | acz32 | oh, well i don't know then |
| 01:11.07 | OSVG | How many times does your code repeat itself? |
| 01:11.16 | eyebrowns | nohow |
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| 01:11.45 | eyebrowns | i dont even know other good bins |
| 01:11.59 | eyebrowns | i dont like pastebin.com |
| 01:12.08 | OSVG | All pastebins are pastebins. |
| 01:13.02 | Simotek-Work | but some silly corporations like the one i work for block access to the popular ones in the name of security |
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| 01:13.28 | Simotek-Work | OSVG, some allow images, others do a better job of letting you pick highlighting |
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| 01:13.30 | eyebrowns | dont say |
| 01:13.40 | OSVG | Simotek-Work: Heh, gotta love office politics dictating technology decisions. |
| 01:13.55 | OSVG | Simotek-Work: Yes, but at the end of the day, they are all pastebins. Some are just pastebins with extras. |
| 01:14.23 | Simotek-Work | yeah apparently i could use a pastebin site to upload company secrets, so stuff like drop box, google drive and some paste bin sites are blocked |
| 01:14.33 | eyebrowns | Alexander Wirt, i he there? |
| 01:14.35 | OSVG | Buahuahuah. |
| 01:14.42 | Simotek-Work | but they obviously cant find them all |
| 01:14.44 | OSVG | Let me guess though, you could still email out right? |
| 01:14.52 | cheapie_ | Well, there's IRC... |
| 01:14.52 | Simotek-Work | yep |
| 01:15.12 | Simotek-Work | well i'm probably using a proxy i shouldn't for irc, the main one blocks it |
| 01:15.25 | cheapie_ | Heh. |
| 01:15.26 | OSVG | Simotek-Work: And I guarantee you nobody thought for a second about email when the directive went out to block pastebins. |
| 01:15.34 | Simotek-Work | this proxy is meant to be so that people can do package updates on linux machines its slow and dodgy |
| 01:15.50 | acz32 | can an employer know if you are on irc? |
| 01:16.02 | OSVG | acz32: Of course. |
| 01:16.08 | Simotek-Work | well they probably keep a history of outgoing mail |
| 01:16.11 | OSVG | Unless you VPN out. |
| 01:16.12 | acz32 | OSVG: how? |
| 01:16.25 | rebauld | we sent emails to them of your chat logs |
| 01:16.33 | OSVG | Simotek-Work: Sure, but if you made an encrypted zip file and attached it? |
| 01:16.33 | cheapie_ | ...that makes me feel even more "special" having a mirror of the Debian repos sitting next to me, connected over gigabit Ethernet... |
| 01:16.36 | Simotek-Work | acz32, its harder if you use web chat, but if your not they can monitor those ports |
| 01:17.01 | acz32 | Simotek-Work: what about irc client inside of a vm? |
| 01:17.06 | Simotek-Work | they can probably also monitor your browser history to see you went to webchat |
| 01:17.07 | OSVG | Even without monitoring the ports, their device doing NAT will be watching where traffic is going. |
| 01:17.19 | Simotek-Work | acz32, its still sending the same network traffic out |
| 01:17.20 | OSVG | They can just look in NAT. |
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| 01:17.41 | Simotek-Work | the only way to make it hard to detect is a vpn or ssh tunneling |
| 01:17.47 | nettus | damn it |
| 01:17.56 | OSVG | Yerp. |
| 01:18.01 | acz32 | Simotek-Work: you mean like ssh into my home computer and connect to irc from that? |
| 01:18.08 | OSVG | acz32: Yes, that's one way. |
| 01:18.08 | phaer | acz32: Your best bet would be to tunnel out of your office, but then your employer could see that you might have something to hide, depending on your office client |
| 01:18.16 | OSVG | Or you can actually do SSH tunneling, which you can google. |
| 01:18.32 | nettus | damn it |
| 01:18.33 | OSVG | But again, remember that they will still see the tunnel. |
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| 01:18.43 | OSVG | And where it starts and where it ends. |
| 01:18.48 | acz32 | hmm |
| 01:18.49 | Simotek-Work | no you can use ssh to forward all traffic on 1 port through a encrypted ssh session to your home |
| 01:19.09 | Simotek-Work | but they can still see you are sshing to somewhere external |
| 01:19.15 | nettus | debian apt destroy my soul right now |
| 01:19.27 | cheapie_ | Hmm... anybody know how to hide the last login and uname info when logging in? |
| 01:19.30 | Simotek-Work | presuming the it department is somewhat compitant |
| 01:19.33 | acz32 | will that expose my home computer to someone in the company if they are clever? |
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| 01:19.56 | cheapie_ | I'm working on this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9827618/ |
| 01:20.15 | Simotek-Work | it would expose it to anyone on the internet capable of doing port scans acz32 |
| 01:20.18 | phaer | acz32: Could be if you are using ssh from a company-controlled computer and if they are logging your key presses |
| 01:20.43 | Simotek-Work | which is probably more worrying then people in your company, so make sure you have a decent firewall |
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| 01:21.04 | acz32 | Simotek-Work: well naturally i would only open port 22 or whatever |
| 01:21.05 | Simotek-Work | and use really secure authentication on sshd |
| 01:21.05 | phaer | acz32: They easiest way to hide your irc usage would probably be to run it on an android device with your own internet uplink if possible |
| 01:21.28 | Simotek-Work | that would be the least questionable way to go |
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| 01:21.40 | acz32 | phaer: oh, maybe tether computer to phone. |
| 01:22.25 | cheapie_ | (I should add that the box in question *is* running Debian, not an ancient version of System V) |
| 01:22.28 | phaer | acz32: Yes, that would hide your connection. But if your it department maintains the pc, they could still see if there's an irc client in the process list. |
| 01:22.31 | Simotek-Work | depends how good there security policies are |
| 01:22.43 | acz32 | but i connect to freenode with ssl enabled. so could they really be keeping logs of irc conversations? |
| 01:23.11 | Simotek-Work | theres a big difference between knowing your using it and being able to log conversations |
| 01:23.21 | phaer | cheapie_: You wan't to hide the message at login or you want to obscure your own login? |
| 01:23.34 | cheapie_ | phaer: I want to hide the message at login. |
| 01:23.35 | acz32 | true |
| 01:23.43 | linuxuz3r | anyone running debian on mbp |
| 01:24.16 | Simotek-Work | acz32, i'm a Qt dev so i just join #qt and say i use it for work, we had a internal irc server between 3 or 4 people here for a while |
| 01:24.41 | acz32 | Simotek-Work: hehe |
| 01:25.07 | nettus | damn it |
| 01:25.23 | acz32 | Simotek-Work: so they can know you join irc but not what you say on their because i assume you use ssl too |
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| 01:26.39 | acz32 | phaer: then to avoid process list thing: tether computer to phone, run irc inside VM, assuming having vm wouldn't be suspicious |
| 01:27.05 | acz32 | pretty off-topic now though |
| 01:28.02 | phaer | acz32: an at least theoretical problem would be that the could be able to see processes inside the vm or look the traffic between vm and phone, because it has to pass through the host system. |
| 01:28.21 | phaer | acz32: the social approach that Simotek-Work recommends seems much more practical to me |
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| 01:28.52 | phaer | acz32: but if you really want to hide it on a technical level i'd recommend using it entirely on another device. |
| 01:29.26 | acz32 | didn't know you could see processes inside a VM from an outside computer |
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| 01:30.18 | phaer | acz32: In theory you could do it with about any VM, in practices it depends on the hypervisor if there's tooling for that |
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| 01:31.11 | Simotek-Work | acz32, it also depends on what OS you are running on the VM, if its connected to the corperate domain / system in the same way as everything else then it will just be treated the same |
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| 01:32.58 | acz32 | must go now. thanks for the info both of you |
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| 01:45.56 | phaer | I have some ext4 mounts where all new files should be 755 by default. The umask mount option does not seem to be supported with ext4 file systems. What are the other options to solve this? |
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| 01:54.06 | cafuego | phaer: umask applies to a user shell, not to mount options afaik. |
| 01:54.38 | cafuego | phaer: You could check acl and set some defaults on the base dir |
| 01:54.44 | cafuego | getfact/setfacl |
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| 02:03.23 | phaer | cafuego: Thanks, will look into it |
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| 02:10.50 | Marezz | can i haz no systemd pls? |
| 02:11.28 | bazhang | #debianfork Marezz |
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| 02:12.55 | xreal | Why is there a difference between "normal" and "GNU" tools, like fdisk? I thought, it's GNU/LINUX ? |
| 02:13.01 | sydney | Hey jeezy :) |
| 02:13.17 | sydney | xreal: I didnt know there was? |
| 02:13.22 | Simotek-Work | Marezz, there is a guide on the wiki |
| 02:13.38 | xreal | sydney: it's like awk ang gawk (GNU AWK) |
| 02:13.53 | sydney | o-O |
| 02:14.05 | sydney | Be back in a few.. |
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| 02:26.35 | jeezy | cfdisk for life |
| 02:26.42 | jeezy | sydney: lol hay! |
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| 02:29.04 | eyebrowns | sovvy for dump question but i need help to choose between xfce and gnome |
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| 02:30.42 | nezZario | I like XFCE, but it's really a personal opinion |
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| 02:30.55 | nezZario | Kind of like "Do you like vanilla or chocolate?" |
| 02:31.04 | eyebrowns | i know xfce is good and i using it, but most popular is gnome and he is more developed |
| 02:31.57 | nezZario | XFCE feels more lightweight and less cruddy to me, but some stuff just isn't as easy to integrate -- like I could only find instructions for getting network-manager to work with XFCE on an Arch Linux wiki that weren't 100% transferrable |
| 02:32.03 | setuid | I publicly mirror: Apache, CentOS, CPAN, Cygwin, Debian, FreeBSD, GNU, Gutenberg, LDP, OpenBSD, PHP, PuTTY, Tails, Tor and Ubuntu. What are some worthwhile components/projects I should mirror for the community? |
| 02:32.13 | eyebrowns | for example i want to test CSD function, but xfwm dont support it |
| 02:32.28 | sydney | I like MATE personally. |
| 02:32.32 | nezZario | I ended up using wicd |
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| 02:32.44 | sydney | But you will here diferent opinions everywhere. |
| 02:32.52 | nezZario | eyebrowns: try them both, i think both lightdm and xdm have an option to siwtch |
| 02:32.59 | sydney | Ive never had an isseue with network manager. |
| 02:33.02 | nezZario | heck, you could use either one every other login |
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| 02:33.11 | nezZario | sydney: I just couldn't find the applet pkg name for xfce ? |
| 02:33.32 | nezZario | wicd seemed suffice. i've never used linux on a laptop and just installed it on a el cheapo netbook I bought for $100 off a co-worker |
| 02:33.34 | jeezy | mate is straight :) |
| 02:33.36 | jeezy | im using KDE though |
| 02:33.47 | jeezy | sometimes i use WINDOWMAKER or OPENBOX though sydney |
| 02:34.22 | jeezy | even dwm +compiz at times and in the past xmonad |
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| 02:34.48 | sydney | I do like XFCE to, but it didnt seem quite right. |
| 02:34.55 | jeezy | ya |
| 02:34.57 | jeezy | i understand you there |
| 02:35.03 | pingfloyd | it has a few annoying bugs |
| 02:35.14 | pingfloyd | good DE otherwise |
| 02:35.22 | sydney | network-manager doesn't show up in apt? |
| 02:35.27 | nezZario | pingfloyd: what's the show stopper for you? |
| 02:35.32 | sydney | It was a great DE. |
| 02:35.37 | jeezy | sydney: i just use wpa_supplicant |
| 02:35.37 | jeezy | idk |
| 02:35.39 | eyebrowns | so i really like gnome, but i dont like he dont costs my CPU and MEM res |
| 02:35.41 | sydney | It does for me. |
| 02:35.41 | nezZario | sydney: i installed network manager but never got any kind of applet, notification, or anything |
| 02:35.44 | pingfloyd | nezZario: I guess nothing, because I've been using for quite a while |
| 02:35.58 | pingfloyd | nezZario: I was able to fix or work around most of them |
| 02:36.08 | sydney | Odd. |
| 02:36.20 | pingfloyd | the notification plugin could be better |
| 02:36.23 | sydney | Was it set to start with the DE? |
| 02:36.41 | pingfloyd | it also needs a menu editor that isn't buggy and decent |
| 02:36.50 | pingfloyd | *and is |
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| 02:36.59 | nezZario | k, i'll agree with the notification and menu editor/settings stuff is a little cruddy |
| 02:37.14 | nezZario | but i feel the quite opposite, xfce has always "just felt right" to me |
| 02:37.20 | pingfloyd | those two things off the top of my head need some work |
| 02:37.34 | sydney | I didnt find XFCE buggy. |
| 02:37.38 | sydney | nezZario: Good :) |
| 02:37.49 | nezZario | sydney: regardless, wicd works perfectly |
| 02:37.54 | sydney | Well, good. |
| 02:38.10 | nezZario | now I just gotta figure out if the ssd in this newly purchased netbook is going bad |
| 02:38.11 | pingfloyd | yeah, I switched from network-manager to wicd |
| 02:38.17 | sydney | MATE intigrates gnome and normal apps very well together. |
| 02:38.21 | pingfloyd | it seems less bloated |
| 02:38.25 | sydney | nezZario: It is? :s |
| 02:38.38 | sydney | I though wicd was bloated. |
| 02:38.45 | sydney | But thats my opinion. |
| 02:38.53 | nezZario | it's like, one menu? :) |
| 02:38.57 | sydney | Never had a issue with network manager myself. |
| 02:39.00 | nezZario | (although I've never seen network-manager) |
| 02:39.39 | jeezy | does debian have a CAMCONTROL(8) type command? |
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| 02:40.47 | eyebrowns | i just want to see some new features at gnome (integration functions, not visuals) |
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| 02:42.26 | eyebrowns | and if i will install gnome-core do it place some unnesesary stuff at my xfce> |
| 02:43.14 | eyebrowns | i dunno. just tried some gtk themes from ubuntu on my xfce and they looked ugly |
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| 02:44.19 | eyebrowns | not at all |
| 02:44.47 | jeezy | ah |
| 02:44.54 | jeezy | what command is similar ? |
| 02:44.58 | eyebrowns | this is my default theme at all http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=145210&file1=145210-1.png&file2=145210-2.png&file3=145210-3.png&name=Clearlooks-Phenix |
| 02:44.59 | jeezy | sydney: how've you been ? |
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| 02:45.47 | sydney | jeezy: Good. You? |
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| 02:46.02 | jeezy | sydney: great to hear buddy! i am also doing well; thank you for asking :) |
| 02:46.07 | eyebrowns | this one looking maybe nice but not at all http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Vertex+-+Theme?content=166318 |
| 02:46.08 | sydney | :) |
| 02:46.41 | eyebrowns | so im confused about good theming |
| 02:47.03 | jeezy | me too |
| 02:47.14 | eyebrowns | its like they not intended for xfce |
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| 02:47.38 | sydney | Yeah, there are alot of choices. |
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| 02:47.52 | sydney | I never leave mine the same for more than a month :P |
| 02:48.23 | jeezy | sydney: same here lol |
| 02:48.39 | jeezy | sydney: if you have multiple wide monitors then windowmaker is really cool |
| 02:49.16 | eyebrowns | hmmm... if gnome devs removed titlebar then how do i gonna move windows? |
| 02:49.52 | sydney | I dont. |
| 02:49.58 | sydney | I have 1 20inch monitor. |
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| 02:50.04 | SirLagz | eyebrowns: alt-drag the window |
| 02:50.27 | jaggzt | what are the permissions on /usr/bin/at and /usr/bin/atd? |
| 02:50.28 | eyebrowns | SirLagz, maybe |
| 02:50.30 | jeezy | sydney: im using a 20inch ACD monitor right now ! |
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| 02:50.58 | eyebrowns | does it much? |
| 02:51.22 | sydney | jeezy: What is windowsmaker? |
| 02:51.32 | sydney | windowmaker* |
| 02:51.44 | jeezy | sydney: next style desktop |
| 02:51.59 | eyebrowns | tiling? |
| 02:53.06 | jeezy | http://i32.tinypic.com/2cep8jo.png |
| 02:53.09 | jeezy | that's not a very good example though lol |
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| 02:53.58 | eyebrowns | it wants jabba script |
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| 02:54.33 | sydney | Wow, i dont like those DEs so much ;) |
| 02:56.58 | sydney | Ive used AWESOME before. |
| 02:57.12 | sydney | I need to have something my other siblings can use. :P |
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| 02:58.59 | jeezy | sydney: it isnt really a tiling DE ;; ive used awesome before but i prefer DWM or XMONAD |
| 02:59.03 | jeezy | i have a pal that uses i3 |
| 02:59.09 | jeezy | sydney: do you have young siblings ? |
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| 03:02.20 | jeezy | sydney: if so; now is the time for them to learn! :D |
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| 03:03.54 | SirLagz | sydney: what are you looking for ? A new DE ? |
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| 03:05.12 | sydney | No, im fine with what i am using :) |
| 03:05.38 | Simotek-Work | Enlightenment can do tiling semi alright, but is also useable for normal people |
| 03:05.44 | sydney | jeezy: Well, a little younger than me. They dont know anything about linux nor do they want to :) |
| 03:05.54 | LtEddie | hey guy |
| 03:05.54 | LtEddie | s |
| 03:05.58 | sydney | I LOVE enlightenment. |
| 03:05.59 | SirLagz | my 7 year old and 5 year old uses linux :D |
| 03:06.15 | jeezy | ah i understand sydney |
| 03:06.25 | jeezy | enlightenment is cool |
| 03:06.26 | LtEddie | ive looked for hours. do you know the service name for vns4server? |
| 03:06.34 | phyl729 | sydney: just tell them that if they want to use the computer they need to learn how to use it :p |
| 03:06.37 | sydney | But i havent figured out how to make it run comands at startup. |
| 03:06.41 | sydney | :P |
| 03:06.43 | jeezy | phyl729: good idea! |
| 03:06.45 | ilk | hey what should i do about flash player? |
| 03:06.48 | SirLagz | sydney: .xinitrc :P |
| 03:07.22 | sydney | ilk: What browser do you need it for? |
| 03:07.30 | ilk | iceweasel/firefox |
| 03:07.42 | LtEddie | anywan? |
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| 03:07.51 | SirLagz | LtEddie: look in /etc/init.d ? |
| 03:07.56 | LtEddie | SirLagz: I did |
| 03:08.04 | LtEddie | I didn't see anything related to vns |
| 03:08.11 | SirLagz | I don't even know what vns is. |
| 03:08.16 | sydney | ilk: Is it in the repos on your machine? I know it is in jessie. |
| 03:08.18 | ilk | vnc? |
| 03:08.25 | ilk | ok i'll check |
| 03:08.31 | LtEddie | yes ilk |
| 03:08.40 | SirLagz | LtEddie: ohhh vnc |
| 03:08.41 | ilk | i just saw on adobe that 11.2 is the last flash targeted for linux |
| 03:08.46 | LtEddie | http://dev.man-online.org/package/main/vnc4server/ |
| 03:08.48 | LtEddie | using this |
| 03:08.49 | sydney | yep. |
| 03:08.52 | LtEddie | I don't want to reboot my dedicated server. |
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| 03:09.03 | LtEddie | I mean I can |
| 03:09.09 | LtEddie | but are there any other ways >.> |
| 03:09.09 | SirLagz | LtEddie: well. I'd be guessing it'd be vnc4server...you could always check in ps |
| 03:09.18 | ilk | LtEddie did you do top -u username? |
| 03:09.28 | LtEddie | oh I see xvnc4 when I do ps |
| 03:09.41 | ilk | oh brb |
| 03:09.42 | LtEddie | not ilk |
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| 03:09.49 | LtEddie | and xvnc4 didnt work :L |
| 03:10.14 | ilk | i always used KRFB |
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| 03:11.44 | LtEddie | uggh why i kri |
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| 03:24.29 | LtEddie | http://pastebin.com/e528qdp7 |
| 03:24.34 | LtEddie | when I do startx |
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| 03:25.30 | LtEddie | also when I join the vnc server |
| 03:25.33 | LtEddie | its just all bnlank |
| 03:26.15 | LtEddie | http://i.imgur.com/McNV93c.png |
| 03:26.20 | cheapie_ | For anybody that remembers me from earlier, I found the problem. Turns out I was not in the "video" group, and a "sudo usermod -a -G video cheapie" fixed my issues. |
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| 03:28.18 | incal | how do I solve "firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin"? |
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| 03:28.54 | dvs | incal: apt-get install firmware-realtek (from non-free) |
| 03:29.02 | incal | dvs: cool |
| 03:31.12 | incal | dvs: it says "W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays. |
| 03:31.12 | incal | W: mdadm: no arrays defined in configuration file." but installation is fine, do you recongnize that? |
| 03:31.46 | dvs | incal: That's for RAID. I guess you don't have any. |
| 03:32.35 | incal | dvs: OK, brb, rebooting |
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| 03:32.42 | LtEddie | anyone? |
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| 03:34.52 | incal | dvs: yes, that worked, thank you |
| 03:35.06 | dvs | np |
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| 03:40.01 | LtEddie | can anyone here help? |
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| 03:42.11 | Pamela | My computer creates all the healthy sounds, turns on the fan, videodriver's cooler works fine, and when I unplug the monitor cable it shows "no signal". But when it's plugged no image is shown, the monitor doesn't turn on. |
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| 03:52.18 | Epakai | do you have multiple ram sticks? try one at a time or in different slots |
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| 03:55.24 | tofu | evening gents, hows does start debian installer from bash |
| 03:55.29 | tofu | from a live cd |
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| 04:06.15 | linuxuz3r | how do i install firmware of my built in wifi in mbp |
| 04:08.23 | ArtVandalae | linuxuz3r, I assume you need: firmware-linux-nonfree (aptitude search firmware-linux-nonfree) - but I'm just guessing |
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| 04:13.04 | un214 | has anybody seriously considered placing e2fsck in the initrd? |
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| 04:53.15 | Danavu | ok I have vim from wheezy installed, but I'm copying the binary for a newer version of vim that I built on another machine to this new machine into my $HOME/bin is this a terrible idea? |
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| 04:55.06 | shay_shay | Danavu: no thats fine |
| 04:55.15 | shay_shay | Danavu: thats how I do it sometimes |
| 04:55.37 | shay_shay | it just depends if that program stands alone or it has a bunch of libraries it needs |
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| 04:56.36 | shay_shay | for example if i compile my own version of btrfs-tools i get a single btrfs binary which stands alone |
| 04:56.43 | shay_shay | i simply put it in ~/bin |
| 04:56.48 | Danavu | I mean, vim does have a few libraries it depends on, and there's a couple that I'm actually missing and am not sure where came from |
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| 04:57.10 | BaconBacon | Is it okay to ask about LMDE here? |
| 04:57.29 | Danavu | but it was built on wheezy on the same architecture and everything |
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| 04:58.02 | Danavu | BaconBacon: you can try. if it's an LMDE specific question this channel won't be much help. |
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| 04:58.39 | BaconBacon | Oh I thought it was basicially Debian Testing with Cinnamon.. |
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| 05:00.09 | Rusty1 | BaconBacon: best to describe what the issue is, #linuxmint-debian is the channel for LMDE on spotchat |
| 05:00.50 | BaconBacon | Don't have a specific question.. Just was hoping to hang out here again.. Havent been here since Potato |
| 05:01.03 | BaconBacon | Giving LMDE a test run |
| 05:01.15 | aarya | Hi everone, I have a IBM x3250m4 server with uefi, How could I disable uefi to install debian |
| 05:01.17 | cheapie_ | used to use LM, but not LMDE. |
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| 05:02.45 | BaconBacon | SO far it is nice. |
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| 05:10.45 | cafuego | aarya: usually the bios has a 'legacy' setting |
| 05:11.01 | cafuego | aarya: Since it's an IBM, I'd hazard it should be quite well documented. |
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| 05:12.45 | nezZario | Eh, any reason why I'm only getting 25-30MB/sec on an SSD? |
| 05:12.52 | nezZario | What did I break.. heh |
| 05:12.59 | aarya | ok, I have to enable this or disable this, don't know |
| 05:13.18 | nezZario | It's IDE, not AHCI, but I figured I would get better than 25-30MB sequencial? |
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| 05:13.50 | shay_shay | BaconBacon: debian jessie has cinnamon? |
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| 05:14.44 | shay_shay | BaconBacon: I have problems with the way LMDE does its snapshots. one snapshot arbritrarily held a broken version of grub which was reverted in debian testing |
| 05:15.08 | BaconBacon | shay_shay: What? |
| 05:15.14 | BaconBacon | Debian Jessie? |
| 05:15.20 | shay_shay | yes |
| 05:15.29 | BaconBacon | ALl I know is it seems fine except the wifi is super slow |
| 05:15.37 | shay_shay | BaconBacon: it /seems/ |
| 05:15.41 | BaconBacon | I think it installed a bad Wifi driver |
| 05:15.50 | shay_shay | yeah my point exactly |
| 05:16.08 | BaconBacon | I hate trouble shooting wifi |
| 05:16.26 | BaconBacon | SO I am just gunna grab a different Distro haha |
| 05:16.32 | BaconBacon | It probably uses Network=manager |
| 05:16.35 | BaconBacon | - |
| 05:16.40 | shay_shay | anyways, just try debian testing with cinnamon |
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| 05:17.21 | shay_shay | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:17.38 | shay_shay | Jessie Beta 2 netinstall |
| 05:17.50 | shay_shay | on the tasksel screen it will let you pick cinnamon |
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| 05:18.25 | trem0r | is it possible to use tcpdump to return a single result? |
| 05:20.09 | trem0r | ah -c 1 |
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| 05:47.28 | tortib | hey everyone anyone have any idea why I'm receiving this error? W: GPG error: http://http.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> ? I tried to move /var/lib/apt/lists to /var/lib/apt/lists.old ; then mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ran apt-get clean before and after I moved the lists dir and ran apt-get update after |
| 05:47.29 | tortib | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.15 | tortib | huh |
| 05:59.16 | tortib | weird bug |
| 05:59.17 | tortib | fixed now |
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| 06:42.38 | pclover | Asked the other day could not find an answer. Is there a debian announce mailing list for updates and such? |
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| 08:41.39 | mucki | hi, I'm new to the linux topic and want to try debian as my linux distribution. Are there any important topics I have to care about so that I can start very easy? |
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| 08:42.46 | nkuttler | mucki: it's hard to answer such generic questions, but see |
| 08:42.49 | nkuttler | !grounding |
| 08:42.49 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
| 08:42.58 | SirLagz | mucki: have new and/or reliable hardware. |
| 08:43.02 | nkuttler | mucki: you can /msg dpkg keyword to get more information |
| 08:43.09 | nkuttler | yeah, check your hardware for linux support |
| 08:45.18 | mucki | okay. thanks. and sorry for this generic question. i was curios if there were any other hints :) |
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| 08:46.11 | nkuttler | mucki: it can't hurt to check if there's a local LUG either |
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| 08:50.14 | mucki | ok, thanks for your hints. I'll read the docs and if there are more questions I'll come back |
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| 08:58.30 | balin | When installing a personal system I only leave /boot unencryoted, have /tmp and swap encrypted with random keys generatd at boot time and all other partitions encrypted u sing a password. I'm now installing an embedded firewall for the house (soekris n6051) and am unsure whether for a firewall /tmp & swap encryption make sense - the rest I won't in the interest of unobserved bootability ... |
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| 09:00.21 | balin | Resoures of that ox are also somewhat limited (2 GB ram1.6 Ghz CPU) |
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| 09:35.02 | zwarag | hello fellow debian users. Something quite odd happened to me. I logged into my Debian 7.8 machine and altered the source.apt to use testing. |
| 09:35.16 | zwarag | while doing the apt-get dist-upgrade my ssh connection failed |
| 09:35.44 | nkuttler | zwarag: welcome to testing |
| 09:35.58 | zwarag | now if i reconnect to the server, i see a process in my ps -ef where the command is still executed, how can I regain controll over that process? |
| 09:36.00 | nkuttler | zwarag: so you can't ssh in any more? |
| 09:36.14 | nkuttler | zwarag: in the future use screen or tmux, and just kill it i guess |
| 09:36.14 | zwarag | I can, and I am on this machine I am talking about |
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| 09:44.16 | SynrGy | zwarag: ssh might fail during an upgrade if you use network-manager and it bounced the connection down and up again. that can be avoided if you make the connection system-wide |
| 09:44.36 | SynrGy | well, sometimes |
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| 09:45.24 | SynrGy | i haven't had enough upgrades since i made that change on my wife's system to know if it's 100% reliable. |
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| 09:48.45 | SynrGy | but yes, i'll second the recommendation to use screen. last time i upgraded her system i was in screen, did the upgrade, and when it hit network-manager (connected via a system-wide wireless connection) it temporarily froze the display. once it was done upgrading NM, it started scrolling again. so the two in combination seem to be robust at least in the scendario where nothing goes wrong during the install |
| 09:48.52 | SynrGy | :) |
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| 09:49.42 | zwarag | SynrGy, i found out that the the last screen with the previous connection was about if the php.ini should be upgraded to the newest version, hold the current one or merge it. |
| 09:50.04 | zwarag | And I see the PID of this apt-get dist-upgrade process |
| 09:50.07 | SynrGy | don't know why that would drop your ssh |
| 09:50.23 | zwarag | no i think the reason for the drop was a network error here |
| 09:50.25 | SynrGy | are you sure it dropped it, or did it just stop responding? |
| 09:50.28 | SynrGy | ah |
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| 09:50.54 | zwarag | my boss messed round with some vlans^^ |
| 09:51.11 | SynrGy | well, using screen or tmux would certainly mitigate against that kind of failure, and allow you to regain control over your session after. |
| 09:51.46 | SynrGy | but yes, for now, just kill the process. with luck, it responds to TERM and cleans up lock files |
| 09:52.16 | zwarag | so no chance of boarding that process with a different pts? |
| 09:52.18 | SynrGy | there's a possibility it leaves /var/lib/apt/lock or /var/lib/dpkg/lock files around that need to be manually cleaned up |
| 09:52.45 | SynrGy | installs are designed to be idempotent. they should be able to fail at any point and be re-run with no harm done. |
| 09:53.02 | zwarag | allrighty, gonna give that a try |
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| 09:53.05 | zwarag | thanks synrgy! |
| 09:53.06 | SynrGy | there's no chance you're getting that session back. but no need to do it either |
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| 10:01.02 | zwarag | SynrGy wow that worked really well. killed that process, restarted it, hat do so some dpkg --reconfigure -a, then apt-get update, apt-get autoremove and now it on 8.0 and everything runns well. |
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| 10:06.13 | Iridos | actually you can connect to/recover abandoned pts |
| 10:07.03 | Iridos | we're not in the 90ies anymore! |
| 10:07.29 | Iridos | but actually... even though it exists, I cannot remember ever using it... |
| 10:07.36 | Iridos | IIRC it was... reptyr (?) |
| 10:07.44 | Iridos | "apt-cache show reptyr" |
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| 10:08.58 | Iridos | not sure... I cheated and searched with apt-cache... this seems to fit |
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| 10:15.18 | emorris | hi, if I have a number of network interfaces which all have "auto", how does the networking service decide which one to use for the default route? |
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| 10:18.31 | SynrGy | Iridos: in the case of an interrupted apt, good luck installing the package so that you can do the recovery, though ;) |
| 10:19.09 | SynrGy | Iridos: and screen/tmux are still better solutions for 'next time' |
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| 10:21.30 | nkuttler | Iridos: there's also retty, though that was x86-only last time i checked |
| 10:21.40 | nkuttler | but can confirm, reptyr just worked for me |
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| 10:21.55 | nkuttler | nifty |
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| 10:27.21 | Iridos | SynrGy, I didn't say it was practical in that case or anything... just that it was possible... and I think that's good information because it used not to be for a long time |
| 10:27.30 | SynrGy | prophylactically installs reptyr on a bunch of systems |
| 10:27.31 | Iridos | nkuttler, retty was the one I was remembering! |
| 10:27.48 | SynrGy | ah, retty vs reptyr. comments? |
| 10:28.11 | nkuttler | SynrGy: well, i could never use retty, wrong arch |
| 10:28.27 | SynrGy | retty doesn't disconnect the controlling terminal? |
| 10:28.44 | Iridos | the names are so similar, though... after digging it up from apt, I thought reptyr fits the stuff in my memory :) |
| 10:29.02 | nkuttler | reptyr seems more portable https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/reptyr https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/retty |
| 10:29.19 | SynrGy | sounds like reptyr is a more complete solution. going to stick with it. |
| 10:29.41 | Iridos | also... if it's a process you lost, sticking it into a screen session seems to make sense |
| 10:29.50 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 10:30.00 | Iridos | I just installed both... |
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| 10:30.12 | Iridos | as you said... in the cases where you might want it, you might not be able to install :P |
| 10:30.20 | SynrGy | nodnod |
| 10:30.31 | Iridos | but I haven't felt the need for such a thing in ages... dunno |
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| 10:31.02 | nkuttler | i autoconnect to "the" screen session in my .bashrc on remote hosts.. |
| 10:31.11 | Iridos | it's mainly something for remote hosts, though, no? |
| 10:31.12 | SynrGy | while it's well and good to say "always do stuff in screen when remotely connected to do administration" it sometimes happens i forget |
| 10:31.15 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 10:31.56 | SynrGy | three of the systems where i want reptyr are currently offline. |
| 10:32.03 | SynrGy | makes mental note to install reptyr there too |
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| 10:34.56 | Iridos | centos 6 has reptyr, not retty, so does epel for RHEL7 ... so ... seems they also decided on that |
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| 10:48.20 | pzdc | hello. im trying to set up awesome on fresh debian installation. looks like awesome doesnt want to use my rc.lua in ~/,config/awesome directory, it uses /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua. why is that? |
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| 10:49.00 | The_Ball | Is anyone here running Jessie? I guess that's a stupid question, but can someone running it tell me which kernel version is used? |
| 10:50.45 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 10:50.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 10:50.50 | Iridos | The_Ball, ^^^ |
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| 10:52.13 | The_Ball | Iridos, thanks! |
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| 10:52.40 | The_Ball | Iridos, oh so I can use wheezy-backports to get docker.io support perhaps |
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| 12:28.42 | equex | hi. i am having problems compiling a usb to serial driver. (silabs cp210x) |
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| 12:28.49 | maliboy | guys my gedit closes by itself without any warning very often, I tried to get the logs by starting it from terminal which are at : http://0bin.net/paste/ec7Kvz3kNdsAAGKS#lj14Wyja1Cg404UDWsJq+94JtGCHz+DH9uhCEwsMDqr |
| 12:29.06 | equex | i get errors pointing me to that my kernel headers arent installed. so i ran apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:29.10 | equex | and got the samme error: |
| 12:29.38 | equex | home/equex/cp210x/Linux_3.x.x_VCP_Driver_Source/cp210x.c:589:17: error: request for member âc_cflagâ in something not a structure or union |
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| 12:30.43 | equex | and this line from the compile log would suggest its correctly installed: ake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae' |
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| 12:46.50 | limpiarya | i use wheezy and iceweasel 31.4.0. Since yesterday i am unable to clear the browser' s history. Whenever I click on History - Clear recent history iceweasel does not display the window to do so. Can anyone here replicate the issue? |
| 12:47.06 | limpiarya | Ctrl + Shift + DEL does not work either |
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| 12:50.50 | pbase | is it possible to restrict the wireless connetions to one access point (connecting from a client machine) ? |
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| 12:56.47 | genkgo | I have question on build a package using debuild (Cyrus Sasl). I created a patch to Makefile.in. Imported it with quilt. This patch gets applied during start of debuild. However, it gets overwritten somewhere, and then causes trouble (undefined reference to `crypt') |
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| 13:01.05 | genkgo | The patch to lib/Makefile.in adds -lcrypt to some variable. But when I open when comiling has failed. That patched line is gone. So the patch has to be applied to another file, I guess. But tbh, I am totally unexperienced with this. |
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| 13:01.45 | petn-randall | genkgo: If you build a package, it will run through a few targets in debian/rules. If whatever change is not represented in there, it will disappear. |
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| 13:02.15 | genkgo | I have been in the debian/rules file, but I have no idea what to change there. |
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| 13:02.36 | genkgo | http://pastebin.com/drP51GHR |
| 13:02.56 | petn-randall | genkgo: btw, why are you rebuilding the package? |
| 13:03.10 | genkgo | Beacuse Cyrus Sasl has no support for crypt |
| 13:03.21 | varunendra | pbase, could you explain the scenario where you want to restrict the connection? |
| 13:03.33 | genkgo | someone patched it: http://pieps.org/cyrus/ |
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| 13:03.47 | genkgo | I am trying to implement that patch |
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| 13:05.24 | genkgo | so I did apt-get source, created the patch (had to change minor things to original one, so created new patch with diff), quilt import the patch, and started to build |
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| 13:07.17 | genkgo | petn-randall: hope it is a valid reason |
| 13:07.38 | petn-randall | genkgo: Oh, I see. I assume you have reviewed that patch :). You'll have to look in debian/rules what happens in the build process. It could be that the patches are applied too late in the build process to work. |
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| 13:10.35 | genkgo | petn-randall: Actually, perhaps it is too soon, because Makefile.in gets overwritten at some point. So when I see the compiler applying patches, including the new one, Makefile.in is correct. However, when open the file again, after the compiler failed, the changes are undone. |
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| 13:26.45 | equex | ive compiled cp210x.ko and usbserial.ko and replaced the modules under wheezy.. still my usb devices doesnt work properly. (they work fine under squeeze) |
| 13:27.36 | d3lphi | hello all. Is there anyone who can provide some information about the meta-package called "zarafa" ? I was running Zarafa on version 7.1.10-44973 and some minutes ago I updated it to version 7.1.11-46050 by installing each of the zarafa-packages provided by community.zarafa.com (dagent,server,gateway, and so on ...) |
| 13:28.03 | d3lphi | But when I do a "dpkg -l |grep -i zarafa" I still see a package name called... |
| 13:28.04 | d3lphi | zarafa 7.1.10-44973 all The Zarafa Collaboration Platform (metapackage depending on the latest version) |
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| 13:28.41 | d3lphi | when I do "apt-get install -f" it's trying to remove this meta-package. I am not sure if this is a good idea because I'm afraid that it may remove also my zarafa-packages at all. Any help really appreciated |
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| 13:33.11 | jelly | d3lphi: that package is not present in Debian, you'll probably have to ask the vendor you got it from |
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| 13:33.43 | jelly | d3lphi: they may have a channel on freenode, look it up with something like /msg alis list *zarafa* |
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| 13:43.16 | genkgo | petn-randall: I am not getting anywhere, I have no idea where to put "-lcrypt" |
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| 13:48.28 | genkgo | in the logs I see where gcc builds the checkpw.c gcc [..] ../../lib/checkpw.c -o checkpw.o >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 13:48.56 | genkgo | and I think that -lcrypt should be in that command, but how do I pass it in there |
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| 13:58.09 | genkgo | Hmm, the Makefile.am generates a Makefile.in, so I think I should patch the Makefile.am |
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| 14:12.36 | d3lphi | jelly: sure, I asked there initially and someone proposed to ask here in debian because it's a meta-package |
| 14:13.54 | jelly | d3lphi: right, but it's not Debian's metapackage |
| 14:14.06 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 14:14.31 | d3lphi | oh ok, sorry for that, didn't know that, I did just guess |
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| 14:14.48 | jelly | ,v zarafa |
| 14:14.49 | judd | No package named 'zarafa' was found in i386. |
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| 14:17.30 | d3lphi | judd: how do I find where the hell I got the package "zarafa" from? My sources.list don't contain any reference to a certain repository for that. "apt-cache policy zarafa" returns an entry, but where does it get it from? |
| 14:17.34 | tremon | d3lphi: as a general rule, removing a metapackage with apt-get will not remove anything else. However, running apt-get autoremove after, or using aptitude remove, might cause lingering packages to be removed. It depends on both apt's configuration and your current package selection |
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| 14:18.10 | d3lphi | tremon: so when I answer "yes" to the removal of this package called "zarafa" after I run "apt-get install -f" I should be safe? |
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| 14:19.44 | tremon | yes |
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| 14:20.12 | tremon | scribbles a lengthy disclaimer on a note, attaches it to a kite and flies it up |
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| 14:21.23 | tremon | you can always add -s to apt-get's invocation to see what would be done |
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| 14:21.31 | tremon | (-s = --simulate) |
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| 14:29.30 | d3lphi | k, I uninstalled this package |
| 14:29.31 | d3lphi | thanks to all |
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| 14:41.48 | grobda24 | I am running Debian Testing ... however over the last few months I have not been able to do a "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade". It always says "Calculating upgrade... Done - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 14:42.19 | grobda24 | I *can* install individual packages downloaded from the web page packages site. |
| 14:42.27 | grobda24 | Is testing frozen ? |
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| 14:43.38 | seb_kuzminsky | grobda24: did you run 'apt-get update' first to download the list of new packages? |
| 14:43.55 | grobda24 | seb_kuzminsky, yes, indeed I did |
| 14:44.28 | genkgo | it seems my package was build, but now: conflicting packages - not installing cyrus-sasl2-heimdal-dbg. |
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| 14:45.33 | grobda24 | seb_kuzminsky, my sources is - http://pastebin.com/9zB9v3sK - I did have everything as "jessie" but it makes not difference. |
| 14:45.41 | MadHatter42 | whats a good way to set up 300 linux boxes on a network |
| 14:45.43 | MadHatter42 | ? |
| 14:45.48 | genkgo | so when I run: sudo debi |
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| 14:46.42 | genkgo | I get the message of the conflicting package. |
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| 14:48.19 | grobda24 | Can someone check my sources please ? I've been dealing with this problem for the last few months and have tried a number of fixes. I'm afraid I won't have essential security fixes installed if I don't get this done. |
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| 14:50.53 | mefistoso | hey, I'm trying to compile a python package for my own code using python-stdeb but it ends up compiling for both python 2.6 and 2.7. I'd like it to compile only for python 2.7, any ideas how to achieve this? |
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| 14:51.54 | petn-randall | MadHatter42: Look into the installation guide for automated setups. |
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| 14:52.15 | petn-randall | !tell grobda24 -about bat |
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| 14:52.28 | petn-randall | grobda24: Can you provide the necessary info the bot requested? |
| 14:53.00 | tremon | MadHatter42: install the appropriate debian-installer packages (-7.0-netboot-$arch), setup a dhcp and pxe server, and use preseeding |
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| 14:53.45 | grobda24 | petn-randall, ok, thanks :) It'll take me a moment ... |
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| 14:57.05 | MadHatter42 | tremon, yeah i was reading about that |
| 14:57.06 | MadHatter42 | thnx |
| 14:57.19 | kruug | So, running debian on a server, currently on stable. Is it worth upgrading to Jessie now to get ahead of the ball, or should I wait until it's officially released? |
| 14:57.46 | grobda24 | petn-randall, ok, here it is - http://paste.debian.net/141983/ |
| 14:58.59 | seb_kuzminsky | grobda24: i'm no expert, but i think testing has been renamed to jessie now |
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| 14:59.11 | MadHatter42 | wasnt sid ? |
| 14:59.18 | seb_kuzminsky | try replacing every instance of the string "testing" with "jessie" in your sources.list |
| 14:59.22 | sydney | kruug: you will have to chose that for yourself. ;) Im using jessie without issues, but that me. |
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| 14:59.53 | grobda24 | seb_kuzminsky, yeah, prob should have put that back. I originally had everything as "jessie" but renamed to "testing" to see if it makes any difference. |
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| 15:00.03 | petn-randall | kruug: Wait until its officially released, and read the release notes before doing that. |
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| 15:00.18 | sydney | Yes, thats probably the best option. |
| 15:00.25 | petn-randall | kruug: You're probably the first person I know that's eager to upgrade to jessie on a server. :) |
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| 15:01.59 | petn-randall | grobda24: You can change to a different mirror to be sure, but AFAIR apt-get will warn you if the mirro went stale. |
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| 15:02.42 | petn-randall | !tell grobda24 -about http.debian.net |
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| 15:04.44 | grobda24 | petn-randall, ok, thanks ... are you saying this has something to do with debian not updating ? |
| 15:04.51 | kruug | petn-randall: it's only "production" as my personal webserver. There's nothing really mission-critical on it :) |
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| 15:06.11 | petn-randall | kruug: You can always upgrade for giggles. Make sure to create an upgrade report, we're always happy to hear about any issues. |
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| 15:07.02 | kruug | petn-randall: is there an official "upgrade report" program or template I should follow? |
| 15:07.20 | jelly | !upgrade-reports |
| 15:07.27 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 15:07.27 | dpkg | pong |
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| 15:07.47 | kruug | jelly: he gave up when I dm'd him |
| 15:08.16 | jelly | !upgrade tests |
| 15:08.16 | dpkg | Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4 <release notes>, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
| 15:08.21 | jelly | ^^ template |
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| 15:09.42 | kruug | jelly: danke |
| 15:09.57 | jelly | dpkg: upgrade-reports is <reply>see upgrade tests |
| 15:09.58 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 15:10.15 | grobda24 | petn-randall, so is my sources file correct ? |
| 15:11.01 | petn-randall | grobda24: I'm just assuming. If you say you haven't had any updates in month on jessie, I'm assuming your mirror is stale. |
| 15:11.08 | petn-randall | months even |
| 15:11.27 | kruug | petn-randall: where would I find Archive date? |
| 15:11.56 | grobda24 | petn-randall, wow ... new one on me. I did not know such a thing was possible :) ... So I'll try the auto apt thing. |
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| 15:12.42 | petn-randall | kruug: What is an archive date? |
| 15:13.21 | kruug | from the upgrade-report template. maybe jelly would know |
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| 15:14.58 | petn-randall | kruug: Err ... it explains where to get it in the description. |
| 15:14.59 | jelly | kruug: mount your install image and find the relevant .disk/info file |
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| 15:15.17 | kruug | it's a VPS, so I don't have access to the install media |
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| 15:16.14 | jelly | kruug: then omit it and note the reason why; or ask whoever made the installation image |
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| 15:17.21 | jelly | kruug: if you didn't install using debian installer, your report will be bogus anyway -- it's primarily used to fix issues with the installer |
| 15:17.35 | kruug | oh, gotcha |
| 15:18.06 | jelly | sorry, it still makes sense for release upgrades I guess |
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| 15:18.27 | jelly | kruug: then get the file by browsing your configured debian mirror |
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| 15:19.30 | jelly | kruug: eg. if your sources.list contains "deb http://debian.iskon.hr/debian main", fetch http://debian.iskon.hr/debian/project/trace/ftp-master.debian.org |
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| 15:30.25 | kruug | jelly: if I just change apt-sources from wheezy to jessie, is that my method of upgrade? apt? |
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| 15:31.27 | jelly | kruug: well. read /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
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| 15:34.28 | kruug | if I have `deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main` and `deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free` in my sources, am I just being redundant? |
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| 15:36.34 | jelly | kruug: yes, the first line is needless |
| 15:36.41 | jelly | BUT |
| 15:36.51 | kruug | ! |
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| 15:37.00 | jelly | don't use ftp.debian.org as your mirror without good reason |
| 15:37.19 | kruug | gotcha. I think it defaulted to that when the VPS guys set it up. |
| 15:37.29 | jelly | your vps guys are silly |
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| 15:37.52 | kruug | yeah, yeah they are |
| 15:38.23 | jelly | hopes there aren't thousands of VPSes somewhere hitting up ftp.debian.org |
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| 15:39.36 | kruug | so, here's my current apt-sources http://paste.debian.net/141991/ |
| 15:39.48 | kruug | I want to change the first line to jessie, but do I just delete the other two lines? |
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| 15:40.21 | mtn | kruug: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting easy to follow ;) |
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| 15:40.45 | kruug | oh gotcha. thanks mtn |
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| 16:10.05 | AnimalFarmPig | there used to be a package that would download and install Sun/Oracle non-free JRE, but I can't seem to find it now |
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| 16:10.54 | jelly | AnimalFarmPig: I don't recall such a package. There's one that makes a .deb out of an already downloaded oracle jre tarball -- java-package |
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| 16:11.06 | jelly | !make-jpkg |
| 16:11.06 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
| 16:11.32 | AnimalFarmPig | jelly: that's what I was thinking of! Thanks. Don't need to install Sun/Oracle JRE that often |
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| 16:16.11 | sydney | Mornin jeezy :) |
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| 16:32.11 | _1_estiven | Ola |
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| 16:39.14 | wOPr | helo guys! :) |
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| 16:40.31 | wOPr | for my thesis i'im working on SYSRET vulnerabiliy in XEN hypervisor. I'm using Debian as paravirtualized guest to run it: anyone ever saw or used it? Pleas help :/ |
| 16:41.18 | sydney | wOPr: Good day to you also. |
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| 16:41.31 | wOPr | thanks sydney |
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| 16:45.20 | wOPr | no one can help me please with SYSRET exploit? |
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| 16:45.42 | jhutchins | wOPr: Not a clue what you're talking about. |
| 16:45.55 | sydney | wOPr: Me either. |
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| 16:46.20 | sydney | Also, patience. :) |
| 16:46.29 | sydney | !patience |
| 16:46.29 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 16:46.34 | sydney | :) |
| 16:47.05 | wOPr | hum... it was a serious vulnerability for amd64 OS in the 2012. Thanks anyway sydney and jhutchins |
| 16:47.57 | kruug | wOPr: google? |
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| 16:49.40 | deepy | wOPr: what help do you need? |
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| 16:51.34 | sydney | Ugg! Cannot get away from google!. |
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| 16:51.51 | sydney | Haven't you heard of duckduckgo? :) |
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| 16:52.26 | wOPr | kruug: thankyou for your contribution... but working for a thesis don't you think I already did it? |
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| 16:53.36 | wOPr | deepy: I installed xenserver 6.0.2 and debian 7 amd64 on it as domU in paravirtualized way. I can repoduce a DoS with the exploit for that vulnerability but not a VM escaping, that is what that vulnerability is about |
| 16:54.22 | wOPr | deepy: and what i'm looking toward |
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| 16:54.47 | deepy | What do you hope to gain from making the VM escape? |
| 16:54.53 | deepy | I mean, all the details are published online |
| 16:55.00 | wOPr | deepy: exactly! |
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| 16:56.08 | wOPr | i collected a couple of exploit but i obtain only a DoS (hard reboot required for dom0) |
| 16:56.58 | deepy | No but seriously, why do you need to actually do this? it's already proven that it works and the details are available online |
| 16:56.59 | wOPr | deepy: i used successfully the exploit to gain privilege escalation on FreeBSD 9.0 but it is a phisical host, not a domu |
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| 16:58.23 | wOPr | deepy: because i'm working on a cloud security certification framework (i'm doing a little part of it) for my thesis. I need to prove it, but i can't reproduce... probably you was/are able to do it and you can help me? |
| 16:58.46 | jhutchins | wOPr: Not to be unfriendly, but this channels is for Debian support questions, not CS theory. |
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| 16:59.33 | deepy | OS-depenedant framework? |
| 16:59.37 | wOPr | jhutchins: i'm using Debian as paravirtualized guest, this is why i'm here |
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| 17:00.04 | deepy | How old is your kernel? |
| 17:00.19 | wOPr | deepy: no, possibly xen, in every flavour ( i choose xenserver but i prepared also debian + xen before it) |
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| 17:00.40 | wOPr | deepy: domU kernel or dom0 kernel' |
| 17:01.13 | deepy | http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-0744 |
| 17:01.18 | deepy | It's probably already been patched |
| 17:01.32 | jelly | wOPr: perhaps ##security channel might have someone with such experience |
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| 17:02.32 | jelly | deepy: I thought they specifically chose unpatched dom0 and domU to try and make the exploit work |
| 17:03.08 | deepy | jelly: I'm guessing the domU has been patched |
| 17:03.24 | wOPr | jelly: thankyou, i'm going to ask there also :) |
| 17:03.28 | wOPr | deepy: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2012-0217 |
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| 17:03.51 | jelly | dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2012-0217 |
| 17:03.51 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2012-0217 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-0217 |
| 17:03.54 | wOPr | deepy: i saw that one you linked, but it is not what i'm looking at |
| 17:04.05 | wOPr | yes dpkg |
| 17:04.31 | wodim | ð |
| 17:05.16 | jelly | lol, fixed in 2006 |
| 17:05.28 | wOPr | dpkg: in fact I gain DoS on wheezy, it is vulnerable. But i do not know how obtain escaping from domu |
| 17:05.28 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wOPr |
| 17:05.34 | jelly | wOPr: that's a bot |
| 17:05.55 | wOPr | jelly: a bot? |
| 17:06.10 | deepy | dpkg is a bot |
| 17:06.10 | dpkg | deepy: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:06.13 | wOPr | ohhh :/ embrassed :p |
| 17:06.24 | wOPr | ah ah a |
| 17:06.31 | wOPr | sorry i'm too tired to be reactive |
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| 17:07.29 | nettlejam | Hi - does anyone use duplicity (or duply) for incremental backups? |
| 17:07.30 | wOPr | this is the 8th hrs of work with half hour of rest |
| 17:08.26 | nettlejam | Actually perhaps my question is more general. Basically, duplicity is a useful (but complicated) python script for doing incremental backups and storing them offsite, like on s3, or scp'ed somewhere, etc. |
| 17:09.16 | nettlejam | It has the option to use GPG asymmetric key encryption/signing of the backed up files, or just 'symmetric password' encryption. |
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| 17:09.26 | nettlejam | (or no encryption, but that's not interesting) |
| 17:09.55 | nettlejam | My question is, what exactly is the benefit of using asymmetric key encryption and signing of the backups, vs just the symmetric password options? |
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| 17:10.30 | nettlejam | I guess it means the backups could be signed, to prevent tampering, but woudl someone be able to tamper with the backups if they were merely encrypted, without 'breaking' them anyway? |
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| 17:14.00 | jelly | nettlejam: you're basically asking about advantages of pki over symmetric key crypto |
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| 17:14.03 | cdb23ax | hello i have backup my debian vps with tar like this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/tar-backup.htm and then i have reinstalled debian 7 on my hyper-v system. then i copied all files from the tarfile back to my hyper-v vserver. at boot it hangs at: refind tsc clocksources http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/fotoxm7oreb09l.png |
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| 17:15.42 | nettlejam | jelly - well, I think I understand the advantages of pki in general, but in this situation, I'm not getting why it's an advantage (considering the extra complication) |
| 17:16.28 | nettlejam | jelly - like, in my understanding the benefit of pki is that you can exchange messages securely and/or verifiably with another party over an insecure medium |
| 17:17.06 | nettlejam | here, however, you have a server encrypting files for later use, and storing them somewhere, and then (maybe) later retrieveing and unencrypting them. |
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| 17:17.43 | nettlejam | Why is pki of any benefit vs just a password? |
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| 17:18.22 | jelly | nettlejam: if the same person is in charge of backups and restores, then indeed there's not much obvious value to pki. However consider the possibility you're making backups for a customer. |
| 17:18.37 | jelly | nettlejam: only they can decrypt old versions, not you |
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| 17:19.31 | nettlejam | Ah... OK, so I could conceivably encrypt backups with their public key, and sign them with my public key... |
| 17:19.42 | nettlejam | So they know they came from me, but only them can open them. |
| 17:19.53 | jelly | right |
| 17:19.57 | paultag | usually folks encrypt signed stuff |
| 17:20.04 | paultag | sign once, you can encrypt to many people |
| 17:20.12 | nettlejam | That starts to make more sense.. although all the instructions I've seen for the tool guide you through using the same pair for both encryption and signing. |
| 17:20.29 | nettlejam | Which does seem to be of questionable benefit |
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| 17:20.58 | paultag | it makes sense when you encrypt to other people |
| 17:21.10 | nettlejam | paultag - yep |
| 17:21.21 | paultag | encryption packets can also send to multiple people |
| 17:21.28 | paultag | (rfc4880 is good reading) |
| 17:21.38 | jelly | nettlejam: also, you don't need to have the secret available at backup time on the backup client |
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| 17:21.40 | paultag | so if you sign your message before encrypting, you'll be better off |
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| 17:24.34 | nettlejam | jelly - good point, considering that it will probably be sitting in a text config file. |
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| 17:26.03 | nettlejam | paultag - thanks, looking at that rfc now |
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| 18:00.43 | ws2k3 | Hello, my server is giving me errors like: Jan 23 19:04:29 free03 assert_20150123190429_14.dmp[20660]: Uploading dump (out-of-process)#012/tmp/dumps/assert_20150123190429_14.dmp |
| 18:00.43 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.43 | ws2k3 | any idea what this could mean ? |
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| 18:01.22 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Can you paste the full line, and those around it, to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 18:01.50 | ws2k3 | http://paste.debian.net/142016/ |
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| 18:03.20 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Where are you seeing these errors? |
| 18:03.28 | ws2k3 | syslog |
| 18:03.34 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Never seen something like that before. But those are message that get sent to all terminals. No idea what that is. Which release are you running? Is this some kind of special machine, like a VM? |
| 18:03.54 | ws2k3 | no its not a vm just a phy machine |
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| 18:04.19 | ws2k3 | 16 cores 24 gb ram 4 tb hard disk |
| 18:04.59 | jhutchins | ws2k3: What release? WHat does the system do for you? |
| 18:05.06 | ws2k3 | debian 7.6 |
| 18:05.18 | ws2k3 | at the moment nothing is running on it |
| 18:05.21 | ws2k3 | compleetly idle |
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| 18:06.29 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Well, obviously not, something is running on it and is crashing. |
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| 18:09.34 | ws2k3 | jhutchins its realy runs nothing yeaha apache2 servers that is not recieving any traffic, anyway is it possible to find out what is crashing ? |
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| 18:09.52 | jelly | ws2k3: did you try to google "Finished uploading minidump (out-of-process" |
| 18:10.00 | ws2k3 | can i read those dumps somehow i'm going to reinstall this machine anyway but i wanne make sure its not an hardware error |
| 18:10.03 | jelly | with quotes. |
| 18:10.14 | ws2k3 | jelly no i didnt but i get your point |
| 18:10.19 | ws2k3 | will do that and thanks for the help |
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| 18:38.05 | cdb23ax | can someone help: debian hangs at boot. it just says: refined tsc clocksource calibration |
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| 18:42.59 | centrx | cdb23ax, Sounds like a BIOS issue |
| 18:43.09 | cdb23ax | its on hyper-v host |
| 18:44.43 | cdb23ax | what do you think could that be? |
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| 18:50.59 | m00ss | hello |
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| 18:51.16 | m00ss | when i load up debian on a small zotac pc - for some reason gnome 3 does not start, and it looks like oldschool gnome. how can i fix this? |
| 18:52.19 | centrx | m00ss, What version of Debian is it? What is loading, is there an About menu option somewhere you can click on |
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| 18:53.21 | m00ss | its running gnome v 3.4.2 but i dont have the hotcorner its just regular menus.. |
| 18:53.50 | mtn | m00ss: it is called fall back mode and is because your video card or driver can't handle the normal gnome desktop |
| 18:54.13 | m00ss | mtn: it handles it fine with other linux distros |
| 18:54.22 | m00ss | is there anyway i can disable failback mode |
| 18:54.31 | mtn | m00ss: sounds like a driver issue. check out the debian wiki for your card |
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| 18:55.24 | m00ss | ok |
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| 19:09.07 | naptastic | I'm using Jessie (and loving it!) How can I disable IPv6? |
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| 19:09.24 | naptastic | I *think* Network Manager is controlling things, but I set IPv6 to "ignore" in the gui and nothing changed. |
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| 19:10.31 | m00ss | so |
| 19:10.36 | m00ss | i dont think there are drivers for this! |
| 19:10.42 | m00ss | there's nothing i can do huh |
| 19:11.06 | Vlayn | G'day ! |
| 19:11.24 | m00ss | Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 19:13.04 | centrx | m00ss, They might be in wheezy-backports, or possibly might need to use pre-release Debian 8/jessie |
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| 19:15.52 | m00ss | centrx how unstable is debian 8 because this is for point of sale systems in a running business |
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| 19:16.22 | centrx | m00ss, okay the main concern there would be security updates. Pre-release doesn't always get prompt security updates |
| 19:16.37 | centrx | m00ss, stability-wise its quite solid |
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| 19:17.10 | m00ss | gotcha |
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| 19:17.19 | m00ss | guess ill give that a go. |
| 19:17.53 | centrx | see about wheezy-backports first |
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| 19:18.08 | centrx | There is an updated xserver-xorg-video-intel in wheezy-backports that's the latest |
| 19:18.46 | centrx | m00ss, So if you upgrade X and the kernel from wheezy-backports you'll probably be all set |
| 19:18.57 | m00ss | sweet. thank you centrx |
| 19:19.09 | centrx | m00ss, and maybe firmware-iwlwifi-nonfree or something, other drivers |
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| 19:19.38 | m00ss | looks like i ahve to update the kernel too |
| 19:19.53 | m00ss | from backports |
| 19:19.58 | m00ss | in order for that intel driver to work |
| 19:20.14 | centrx | makes sense |
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| 19:21.53 | m00ss | something is weird with rebooting too |
| 19:22.00 | m00ss | even before installing this wheezy backports kernel |
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| 19:22.05 | m00ss | it freezes and gets a black screen on reboot |
| 19:22.36 | centrx | this is something new happening? |
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| 19:23.17 | m00ss | no |
| 19:23.24 | m00ss | it was happening from when i first installed it |
| 19:23.27 | centrx | ok try the new kernel then |
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| 19:27.41 | m00ss | nope |
| 19:27.43 | m00ss | backports dont work |
| 19:28.00 | m00ss | my last hope is jessie. |
| 19:29.20 | m00ss | which is funny cos thats the owners of this business's nickname when we make fun of him :D |
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| 19:29.43 | centrx | m00ss, Are these systems connected to the public Internet? |
| 19:30.07 | m00ss | yes |
| 19:30.10 | centrx | as servers? |
| 19:30.11 | m00ss | wait |
| 19:30.12 | m00ss | no |
| 19:30.14 | m00ss | not the POS |
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| 19:30.19 | m00ss | sorry |
| 19:30.33 | m00ss | we have centos servers as the main point of contact |
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| 19:30.54 | m00ss | we are running some pretty funny Tcl/tk point of sale software ;) |
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| 19:31.29 | centrx | sweet |
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| 19:47.26 | nezZario | sigh... |
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| 19:47.39 | nezZario | So, uh, how do I configure systemd to stop taking over my logs.. |
| 19:48.50 | SynrG | so far as i know, it doesn't. i see dupliation between journalctl and my logs. which specific log or logs? |
| 19:48.55 | SynrG | duplication* |
| 19:49.16 | SynrG | jessie, i assume? |
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| 19:56.26 | Junka | how can i uninstall orage without uninstalling xfce4 which uninstalls other core dependancies ? |
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| 19:56.57 | jhutchins | Junka: why? |
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| 19:57.31 | Junka | jhutchins: why i want to uninstall orage? because i dont want it |
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| 19:58.13 | SynrGy | Junka: uninstall orage, then manually install all the things the xfce4 metapackage depended on *except* orage |
| 19:58.14 | jhutchins | Junka: Then just ignore it. Don't use it. |
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| 19:58.39 | SynrGy | Junka: if you think maintaining your own metapackage is easier, do that instead. |
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| 20:00.09 | Junka | SynrGy: a metapackage should be able to remove without problems/ uninstalling the dependancies it installed |
| 20:00.27 | SynrGy | what? |
| 20:00.49 | SynrGy | are you using aptitude? |
| 20:01.01 | Junka | no synaptic |
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| 20:01.21 | SynrGy | if i remove xfce4, all its dependencies that are marked "automatic" are subject for autoremoval, but are not autoremoved until i tell apt to autoremove |
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| 20:01.36 | SynrGy | synaptic, ugh |
| 20:01.45 | SynrGy | welcome to the least flexible package management tool |
| 20:02.13 | centrx | uses dselect |
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| 20:02.57 | SynrGy | Junka: i don't know if synaptic has any option to turn off its autoremoval behaviour. it should. if it doesn't, file a bug :p |
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| 20:03.24 | xxavi | hi there , |
| 20:03.24 | SynrGy | (or maybe don't bother ... i wouldn't be shocked if it was designed that way) |
| 20:03.26 | ompaul | Junka: you might have a look at what apt-get or even aptitude would try |
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| 20:03.42 | SynrGy | probably a fight with the maintainers you won't win |
| 20:03.45 | Junka | SynrGy: no they dont get autoremoved but as you said it marks the packages as auto removed |
| 20:03.49 | ompaul | no they are not gui tools |
| 20:04.42 | SynrGy | Junka: in any even, marking packages as not automatically installed prevents them from even being reported as candidates for autoremoval |
| 20:04.47 | SynrGy | event* |
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| 20:05.05 | xxavi | how can I get the text mode I have in text console ? |
| 20:05.12 | Junka | SynrGy: with apt-mark ? |
| 20:05.20 | SynrGy | or so, yes |
| 20:05.31 | Junka | SynrGy: i'll try that |
| 20:05.34 | SynrGy | 'apt-get install' marks them too |
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| 20:07.11 | SynrGy | Junka: synaptic might have some filter that would help. assuming nothing is a candidate for autoremoval initially, and you uninstall xfce4 ... then a bunch of things become candidates for autoremoval, and in synaptic maybe you can filter on these and mark them through the gui |
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| 20:07.33 | SynrGy | but tbh, i don't know synaptic that well. this is the functionality i *imagine* it ought to have |
| 20:07.40 | SynrGy | as opposed to something i can actually confirm it has |
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| 20:09.22 | Seattle_Mike | running stable haswell - I don't want 3d but want to display graphics better, host graphics OK, is there anything I can do to improve? |
| 20:09.43 | hikenboot | hi my apt source contains a problem for testing can anyone look at this and tell me whats wrong http://paste.debian.net/142028/ |
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| 20:13.48 | centrx | hikenboot, Remove the source for Google Chrome (and probably remove Google Chrome too) |
| 20:13.57 | centrx | hikenboot, Change mirror site to: http.debian.net |
| 20:14.02 | Siente | Hello guys, could you recommend me software to create a bootable usb stick and install debian from usb flash drive? |
| 20:14.20 | hikenboot | ok thanks i think the last one is probably the problem i am trying to fix thanks |
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| 20:14.29 | SynrGy | centrx: but the security.debian.org source is fine and is throwing an error |
| 20:14.37 | SynrGy | this is mystifying |
| 20:15.14 | centrx | hikenboot, 3. Your security line is missing a space before "jessie/updates" |
| 20:15.20 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
| 20:15.49 | SynrGy | oh, updates |
| 20:15.50 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 20:16.05 | SynrGy | just spotted :) |
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| 20:17.45 | centrx | hikenboot, Chrome is in Debian as "chromium" |
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| 20:18.15 | centrx | s/mystifying/horrifying |
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| 20:25.05 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | how do I setup debian/linux to act like a proxy for a tf2server. I just want use the benefits of anti-ddos system of one of our servers to provide anti-ddos to a non-anti-ddos server.. so i'd like to setup the server to bind to a local ip address which is being forwarded to another server and makes it think that that is it's ip address.. i hope this isn't too confusing. |
| 20:25.17 | hikenboot | centrx ah right forgot about that thanks |
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| 20:25.45 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | tf2server box <--> middle server box <--> clients |
| 20:26.06 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | lets use port 27015 for the port for example |
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| 20:26.36 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | or maybe someone could tell me which other channel could be better for this or give me directions on where i can find information to help |
| 20:26.53 | centrx | ElDiabloWar3Evo, Set up IP forwarding with iptables? |
| 20:27.03 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | i've researched google.. not much on proxy servers other than they tend to be for http and web.. which isn't what im looking for |
| 20:27.39 | centrx | ElDiabloWar3Evo, You can use ssh to set up a SOCKS proxy with the -D argument |
| 20:27.40 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | i thought about ip forwarding, and both systems use debian wheezy 7.0 |
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| 20:28.02 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | does socks require that the clients use socks or is it transparent? |
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| 20:28.39 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | the tf2server / tf2client isn't my own creation and im just trying to create a middle server between |
| 20:28.58 | valentinovd__ | ElDiabloWar3Evo: Why ? |
| 20:29.02 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | the middle server will protect the other server via its anti-ddos stuff |
| 20:29.03 | valentinovd__ | ElDiabloWar3Evo: What is the goal ? |
| 20:29.18 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | the middle server has anti-ddos.. the other server does not |
| 20:29.35 | valentinovd__ | ElDiabloWar3Evo: Just do a redirection with iptables |
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| 20:30.58 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | so.. if the tf2server calls home and check's it's public ip address .. then how can I redirect that call to go thru the other server and then that server pushes that call out the internet.. all that with iptables redirect? |
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| 20:31.13 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | i assume i have to use iptables on both systems to do that kind of redirection |
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| 20:31.20 | valentinovd__ | yup |
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| 20:31.37 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | wow.. i've gotta try that out |
| 20:31.39 | ElDiabloWar3Evo | thanks |
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| 20:31.47 | valentinovd__ | np ;) |
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| 20:35.05 | dracc | I fail at disabling vsync for steam-games. What have I missed? :( |
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| 20:35.42 | dracc | .drirc contains a line about vblank_mode = 0 and I've added SwapbuffersWait = false in xorg.conf ... :( |
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| 20:39.41 | deesah | I just installed ejabberd and it won't stay running. when I run service ejabberd start, it says: Starting jabber server: ejabberd. When I run service ejabberd restart right after it says: Restarting jabber server: ejabberd is not running. Starting ejabberd. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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| 20:43.38 | babaw | hey guys |
| 20:43.53 | babaw | how can i stop the display manager if i am running xfce on debian? |
| 20:44.03 | babaw | i dont see XDM |
| 20:44.29 | valentinovd__ | babaw: what is your display manager ? |
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| 20:44.35 | babaw | i dunno |
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| 20:44.48 | babaw | i dont see {k,d,x}dm in init.d |
| 20:44.51 | babaw | initrd |
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| 20:45.39 | babaw | so i cant do /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 20:45.44 | babaw | or kdm or gdm |
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| 20:46.05 | valentinovd__ | service xdm stop ? |
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| 20:46.22 | babaw | xdm is not a recognized service |
| 20:46.26 | babaw | im running xfce |
| 20:46.28 | nkuttler | babaw: did you remove it while it was running? |
| 20:46.37 | babaw | no i havent deleted anything |
| 20:46.38 | nkuttler | i think by default you get gdm.. |
| 20:46.43 | babaw | i just wanna gracefully shut it sdown |
| 20:46.45 | valentinovd__ | so try service gdm stop ? |
| 20:46.46 | nkuttler | babaw: ls /etc/init.d/*dm |
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| 20:47.06 | babaw | ah |
| 20:47.10 | babaw | lightdm... |
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| 20:47.21 | valentinovd__ | :) |
| 20:47.27 | babaw | cool that wokred |
| 20:47.33 | babaw | thanks |
| 20:47.55 | phyl729 | One server of mine has to get sshd from backports for authorizedKeysCommand. I'm tempted to just use sshd from backports for all my servers so the ciphers, hamcs, and kexAlgos |
| 20:48.20 | SynrGy | also cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 20:48.28 | SynrGy | that tells you which dm is in use right away |
| 20:48.34 | SynrGy | without all the poking around with ls |
| 20:48.54 | SynrGy | (and it's possible to have multiple installed at once, but only one will be selected in this config file) |
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| 20:49.21 | SynrGy | just fyi for next time the topic comes up :) |
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| 21:49.26 | Cpuroast | hmm question |
| 21:49.32 | Cpuroast | trying to backport a package from testing |
| 21:49.38 | Cpuroast | but I get this error: http://pastebin.com/Vsss1p1b |
| 21:49.49 | Cpuroast | following: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 21:50.12 | Cpuroast | I can't get past dget -x, because dget errors out |
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| 21:51.21 | SynrG | install an updated debian-archive-keyring perhaps? |
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| 21:51.39 | SynrG | ,v debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:51.40 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.08.28+squeeze1; wheezy: 2014.3~deb7u1; sid: 2014.3; jessie: 2014.3 |
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| 21:51.56 | Cpuroast | I have the latest wheezy one |
| 21:52.04 | valentinovd__ | Cpuroast: dscverify said that it doesn't have the public key of the signature in the file request-tracker4_4.2.8-2.dsc |
| 21:52.27 | SynrG | oh, that key |
| 21:52.53 | eyebrowns | hello everybody. im tryin to conf my fans. auto control bios makes them loud even with no load. im configuring fancontol app using stress --cpu 4 app |
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| 21:52.57 | SynrG | maybe you can get dget to ignore it? it's possible it was signed by an old, weak key now removed from the keyring? |
| 21:53.30 | Cpuroast | -u |
| 21:53.31 | Cpuroast | yah |
| 21:54.08 | Cpuroast | it's an official package |
| 21:54.25 | eyebrowns | default fancontrol settings does nothing except max speed. after lowering Min Temp fan stopped (chasis, cpu). temp didnt change (about 40). |
| 21:54.39 | Cpuroast | Jan 1st 2015 |
| 21:54.40 | Cpuroast | so |
| 21:54.47 | Cpuroast | it must have been signed recently |
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| 21:55.56 | eyebrowns | after stress temp raised to 70 (and still about 1 min) and possibly had to rise, so im turned off fancontrol. |
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| 21:56.59 | eyebrowns | im interested is what for pwmcontrol testing my fans, as long he doesnt put any setting anywhere |
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| 21:58.09 | eyebrowns | next thing: fan are loud and i gonna go crazy. they new and expensive. this is unaccepteable |
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| 22:05.47 | acz32 | anyone try out iceweasel hello yet? |
| 22:05.49 | acz32 | :) |
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| 22:08.46 | Iridos | "iceweasel hello"? |
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| 22:11.15 | acz32 | firefox hello |
| 22:11.38 | acz32 | audio/video chat natively built into firefox |
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| 22:12.01 | knosys | Hi |
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| 22:27.54 | nebbia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.57 | Vroomfondel | in a command line, the pipe directs output from one command to another, whereas the backtick captures output from a command |
| 22:28.58 | jolt | nebbia: pipe is used when you want output from one command to get into the next command |
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| 22:30.54 | nebbia | ok but what about the "`" character ? it is used still to pipe right ? |
| 22:30.58 | nebbia | so what's the difference |
| 22:31.05 | Vroomfondel | no it is not used to pipe. |
| 22:31.17 | jhutchins | nebbia: The shell executes commands (or interprets variables) between backticks and substitutes the results. |
| 22:31.30 | Vroomfondel | it is used to capture the output of a command and put it into a variable or into a command argument. |
| 22:31.39 | Vroomfondel | the pipe is used to connect different commands together |
| 22:32.07 | Solution-X | anyone know a good room to ping for tips on CSF? |
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| 22:45.42 | critter | Hi Im using tor-browser from deb repo |
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| 22:46.04 | jonathanweber | hey hey! |
| 22:46.11 | critter | it does auto-update but now it says signature does not match downloaded tarball |
| 22:46.18 | critter | anyone with that problem? |
| 22:46.48 | jonathanweber | I have a problem that may sound weird, but actually it is for a quit big movie project. I need a 16-digit prime number with the highest amount of digit "6" in it of all 16-digit-prime-numbers. |
| 22:46.50 | jonathanweber | I found a program that is returning all prime numbers between 10^15 and 10^16. Currently I am piping the output of it to a file like "countprimes > primenumbers.txt" - but the file gets extremly large without getting even close to finishing the scan. |
| 22:46.54 | jonathanweber | So is there any way to count the amount of digit 6 in the program return and only put it in a file if it contains the digit more then, lets say, 5 times? Something like "countprimes | check "6" --morethan 5 > primenumbers.txt" |
| 22:47.25 | valdyn | !homework |
| 22:47.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, homework is something you should do yourself. |
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| 22:47.41 | hikenboot | hi anyone know why chromium under chrome://plugins wouldnt show NaCl if its installed? |
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| 22:50.40 | hikenboot | never mind stupid me its not a plugin its an extension..so of course it wouldnt show up! |
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| 22:53.47 | thapin | anyone here use deb-multimedia for jessie,... does it work well.. or not. |
| 22:53.57 | thapin | any tips.? |
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| 22:57.10 | zdm- | Hey guys I'm having problems getting cmus to work but I created a paste instead of posting a wall of text, please help if you can: http://pastebin.com/G89N9PFM |
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| 23:08.38 | xreal | Anyone with mdadm RAID-1 in here? Could you please run blkid and tell me, if the UUIDs are equal? |
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| 23:12.09 | frostschutz | xreal, it depends which uuid you are looking at |
| 23:12.31 | xreal | frostschutz: the very left of the HDDs part of the raid. |
| 23:13.01 | frostschutz | xreal, it's quite normal to have equal uuids |
| 23:13.20 | xreal | frostschutz: okay, "unique" isn't very unique then? :D |
| 23:13.54 | valdyn | frostschutz: its normal if you clone the id, otherwise its not |
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| 23:15.01 | valdyn | xreal: why are you asking? |
| 23:15.09 | frostschutz | xreal, with raid you bind several devices into one, its normal for them to have the same raid uuid. the raid arrays are identified by uuid in the mdadm.conf; it stays the same regardless which disk you remove, hence all disks have the raid uuid |
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| 23:15.32 | frostschutz | it's still unique in that only that raid has that uuid and nothing else |
| 23:16.23 | xreal | frostschutz: I'm setting up a system on RAID-1 from live-cd using chroot and - sorry for the language - grub2 is a bitch :D |
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| 23:17.15 | xreal | frostschutz: When rotating the ports of sda and sdb (the physical ports on the board) shouldn't kill the RAID-1, should it? I thoought, that's one of the benefits of metadata v1.2 |
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| 23:17.43 | valdyn | xreal: not just metadat v1.2 |
| 23:18.04 | valdyn | xreal: mdadm --examine will show you the raid and the place in the raid... |
| 23:18.25 | xreal | grub2 is booting great from raid-1 (mdamd), but after exchanging the ports, grub2 can't boot anymore. but the raid is still okay. |
| 23:18.47 | valdyn | xreal: different controllers? bios boot order? |
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| 23:19.01 | valdyn | xreal: you know grub has no sata drivers |
| 23:19.02 | xreal | valdyn: I thought, that's completly irrelevant because of uuids. |
| 23:19.03 | frostschutz | xreal, grub is not part of the raid; you have to install grub to both disks |
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| 23:19.14 | xreal | frostschutz: I did of course, that's not the problem. |
| 23:19.18 | valdyn | xreal: grub can only use bios disks |
| 23:19.19 | frostschutz | then it should work |
| 23:19.29 | xreal | valdyn: yep, it's msdos |
| 23:19.43 | valdyn | xreal: what is msdos? |
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| 23:19.52 | xreal | valdyn: it's not GPT :) |
| 23:20.02 | valdyn | xreal: that is not what im talking about |
| 23:20.07 | xreal | valdyn: I see. |
| 23:20.22 | valdyn | xreal: linux gets *all* disk by using a hardware specific device driver |
| 23:20.31 | xreal | Let me explain the funny thing. |
| 23:20.39 | valdyn | xreal: grub gets *only* the disks which are made accessible by your bios |
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| 23:21.03 | xreal | When exchaning the ports on the mainboard, grub throws me to rescue, but I still can "ls (md/0)/" without a problem. grub says "file not found". |
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| 23:21.40 | xreal | Argh, that description was bad. |
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| 23:21.59 | xreal | When exchaning the ports on the mainboard, grub throws me to rescue with an error "file not found", but I still can "ls (md/0)/" without a problem (all files are shown). |
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| 23:22.08 | valdyn | xreal: grub is several components on distinct parts of harddisks. Usually 3 |
| 23:22.18 | valdyn | xreal: each of these may fail.. |
| 23:22.43 | xreal | valdyn & frostschutz: can I write down my steps and could you please have a look over them? |
| 23:23.07 | valdyn | xreal: no, not yet |
| 23:23.13 | xreal | valdyn: tomorrow? |
| 23:23.17 | valdyn | xreal: tell me and verify your bios first |
| 23:23.19 | xreal | I'm doing an uncommercial job, I don' get paid or anything. |
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| 23:23.48 | xreal | valdyn: BIOS and mdadm-raid is fine. |
| 23:23.50 | valdyn | xreal: of course, but your steps dont matter if your bios is wrong |
| 23:24.14 | xreal | valdyn: I don't understand, why it could be wrong. doesn't grub use uuids to identify the HDDs ? |
| 23:24.43 | valdyn | xreal: from grubs point of view. Any disk that your bios does not make accessible is not visible to grub |
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| 23:24.58 | valdyn | xreal: uuids are totally irrelevant there yet |
| 23:25.18 | xreal | valdyn: they are accessible by 100%, since i can list (md/0)/ even from grub's rescue shell. |
| 23:25.23 | valdyn | xreal: many bioses make *less* disks visible that you may have plugged in |
| 23:25.38 | xreal | valdyn: I'm using only two disks :) |
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| 23:26.21 | valdyn | xreal: quite probably then that the bios is ok |
| 23:26.36 | xreal | valdyn: let me play with it again, brb 1 minute |
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| 23:27.22 | xreal | oh hell... now it works :D |
| 23:27.38 | valdyn | xreal: how did you fix it? |
| 23:27.55 | xreal | valdyn: didn't do anything, just did a reboot :) |
| 23:28.25 | xreal | valdyn: let me plug it to another SATA port (port 3) |
| 23:28.55 | xreal | Yep, works like a charm. |
| 23:29.26 | xreal | let me plug out 1 of the two disks. |
| 23:29.45 | xreal | degraded boot works |
| 23:30.04 | xreal | just got an email from mdadm :) |
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| 23:30.34 | jeezy | sydney: how are ya!? |
| 23:30.47 | xreal | valdyn & frostschutz: Thanks for your support. |
| 23:31.20 | valdyn | oddly enough blkid shows the raid id, not the block device id |
| 23:31.30 | valdyn | so the ids shown are the same accross one raid... |
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| 23:32.20 | frostschutz | blkid shows several ids... if they exist. partuuid is a gpt thing |
| 23:32.42 | valdyn | yea it does, just UUID= is the raid id |
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| 23:32.58 | xreal | valdyn: yeah, but the raid device got its own id :) |
| 23:33.21 | valdyn | xreal: of course |
| 23:33.22 | xreal | the id, blkid gives the raid's member disk the raid-id, which is used by grub. |
| 23:33.43 | xreal | oh god, my English is very very bad today, sorry. |
| 23:34.00 | xreal | Sorry, I'm too tired after watching to Bash the whole day :D |
| 23:34.05 | frostschutz | you could just use a boot partition, the boot loader doesn't really have to concern itself with raid |
| 23:34.39 | xreal | frostschutz: but then I need to rsync the partition's content after each kernel update? |
| 23:34.49 | frostschutz | no, it's raid |
| 23:35.18 | valdyn | ive been booting raid1 forever, it just works |
| 23:35.23 | xreal | frostschutz: what's the difference of a boot partition with raid 1 and a "full" edition with raid1 ? |
| 23:35.27 | valdyn | (and still does when 1 disk breaks) |
| 23:35.29 | xreal | oh god... "full" partition* |
| 23:35.40 | xreal | valdyn: My RAID-0 with 2 disks is running since 2008. |
| 23:36.00 | valdyn | lucky |
| 23:36.13 | frostschutz | xreal, for the boot partition you'd use 0.90 or 1.0 metadata, which is at the end, so it could be taken for a regular partition in read only mode, e.g. for booting |
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| 23:36.35 | xreal | frostschutz: I see. |
| 23:36.51 | xreal | frostschutz: so you can mount a v0.9/1.0 partition just like a normal one? |
| 23:37.09 | frostschutz | you could |
| 23:37.15 | frostschutz | if you write, it's out of sync |
| 23:37.20 | xreal | yeah |
| 23:37.43 | xreal | frostschutz: what size should it be? |
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| 23:38.02 | dodo | Hi. |
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| 23:39.00 | dodo | I'm having problems trying to connect my laptop to a TV using HDMI |
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| 23:39.20 | dodo | there is no signal at all |
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| 23:40.38 | dodo | screen configuration doesn't help at all as it can't find info about the screen |
| 23:40.45 | xreal | frostschutz: 2 GB ? |
| 23:41.04 | Shadow_7 | dodo: are you starting X after the connection is made? xrandr might list options |
| 23:41.05 | dodo | I'm not an english native... maybe it is display instead of screen |
| 23:41.23 | frostschutz | xreal, sure, if you need a ton of kernels and a live cd as a rescue system on it |
| 23:41.25 | dodo | Shadow_7: I'm using gnome |
| 23:41.48 | xreal | frostschutz: that's why I didn't want to seperate it from the normal disk :) |
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| 23:41.59 | frostschutz | xreal, 256M should be plenty for most |
| 23:42.13 | xreal | frostschutz: or shall I put my whole RAID-1 in v0.9 or v1.0 ? |
| 23:42.36 | frostschutz | xreal, no, I would not do that. you could stick with your regular raid and just fix whatever grub's problem is |
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| 23:42.51 | frostschutz | if it works on one disk, it should work on the other too |
| 23:43.54 | dodo | Shadow_7: xrandr here http://paste.debian.net/142056/ |
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| 23:45.43 | Shadow_7 | dodo: it says the LVDS1 and HDMI1 are connected. |
| 23:45.44 | dodo | I have dist-upgraded from wheezy to jessie last week. Didn't notice that the second screen wasn't working |
| 23:45.58 | dodo | maybe i need to install some packages |
| 23:46.14 | xreal | frostschutz: actually, it works now :) |
| 23:46.24 | Shadow_7 | dodo: or $ xrandr --output HDMI1 --primary |
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| 23:46.58 | dodo | Shadow_7: that doesn't output anything |
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| 23:48.09 | Shadow_7 | dodo: is the output on the screen: no signal? |
| 23:48.35 | Shadow_7 | dodo: could be an input select issue with the display |
| 23:49.28 | dodo | when i connect the hdmi to the laptop, the tv trys to get the signal for a few seconds... but then it show a message. it says: HDMI without signal. |
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| 23:51.09 | Shadow_7 | dodo: well it's default to 1366x768 which may not be a supported resolution. $ xrandr --output HDMI1 --mode 1920x1080 |
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| 23:52.39 | dodo | Shadow_7 now I have video in the TV |
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| 23:54.13 | dodo | I think that it wasn't the best resolution... |
| 23:54.26 | dodo | could it be that i need to install a package? |
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| 23:55.42 | dodo | preferences -> configuration -> Screens show no info at all |
| 23:55.46 | Shadow_7 | dodo: in days of old you'd have a xorg.conf, but that's kind of deprecated now. You might be able to right mouse the wallpaper and setup prefs in gnome |
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| 23:56.30 | dodo | yes, that prefs show nothing |
| 23:56.32 | Shadow_7 | dodo: I just write a bash script to do my screen setup. And run it when I start X |
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| 23:59.00 | atlantis | WEEE! |
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| 23:59.58 | dodo | Shadow_7: thanks, I can live with that :) |
