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| 00:10.04 | sarkis | hey all - the libc CVE update - does that require the servers to be rebooted? |
| 00:10.22 | pirithous | tpo: I think it may be the kernel, can you tell me a command so I can install a new kernel over the old one, possibly adding a new repo and then issuing the commant via apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:12.03 | pirithous | ill try apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 00:13.29 | RyanXFCE | Hello people |
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| 00:15.04 | tonitoop | Is it easy to get a job as a linux sys admin? I use Linux for a long time. i am doing a degree in Information Security. |
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| 00:15.30 | pirithous | how do I install a kernel over the same kernel? |
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| 00:16.54 | mtn | pirithous: the package manager will set the last one installed to be the default kernel at boot time. you should be able to choose kernels in the grub menu, too |
| 00:17.27 | JohnnyL | how do i get debian to recognize my audio interface? i got it working before but didn't write it down |
| 00:17.29 | pirithous | mtn: ok but i think the kernel got borked, so I want to install a new one over the existing one |
| 00:17.39 | pirithous | but nothing happens, how can I force it |
| 00:17.52 | mtn | pirithous: you can't do that, but you can install a different one. |
| 00:18.03 | nkuttler | you can't reinstall the kernel-image? |
| 00:18.08 | mtn | pirithous: you can reinstall a kernel if that is what you mean |
| 00:18.23 | pirithous | yes I want to reinstall the kernel but all I get is 0 upgraded 0 newly installed.. etc |
| 00:18.26 | nkuttler | pirithous: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-whatever |
| 00:18.28 | pirithous | root@barcelona:/home/pirithous# apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 00:18.29 | pirithous | Reading package lists... Done |
| 00:18.31 | pirithous | Building dependency tree |
| 00:18.32 | pirithous | Reading state information... Done |
| 00:18.34 | pirithous | linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae is already the newest version. |
| 00:18.35 | pirithous | linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae set to manually installed. |
| 00:18.37 | pirithous | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:18.37 | nkuttler | !tell pirithous about paste |
| 00:18.50 | RyanXFCE | I have a machine where after some hours of uptime, interface lo mysteriously shuts down. As in, 'ifconfig' and 'ip addr' only show up the ethernet connections. |
| 00:19.07 | mtn | pirithous: and your kernel didn't get "borked", either |
| 00:19.16 | RyanXFCE | What logs could I possibly be looking at to find out what's going on? |
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| 00:19.56 | pirithous | mtn: well i have an unbootable system with no error messages, so.. |
| 00:20.09 | mtn | pirithous: grub problem? |
| 00:20.25 | pirithous | hanging at "Starting ACPI Services" |
| 00:20.48 | RyanXFCE | hola gente |
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| 00:21.04 | tpo | sarkis, you need to restart the services that depend on libc (-> all services) |
| 00:21.16 | nkuttler | RyanXFCE: dmesg? |
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| 00:21.23 | rebauld | tpo what doesn't depend on libc? |
| 00:21.35 | acz32 | when we install a kernel from backports, why doesn't it automatically update when the new version comes out? like bpo1,2,3, etc? |
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| 00:22.20 | RyanXFCE | nkuttler: I've checked, but I was wondering if there was a specific logfile for network services as there is for eg.: mail or X services? |
| 00:22.36 | RyanXFCE | I'm admittedly not very experienced in log files |
| 00:24.02 | rebauld | RyanXFCE: what network you looking for? maybe just kernel module -> /var/log/messages or /var/log/kernel - check your rsyslog.conf |
| 00:24.40 | tpo | rebauld, busybox? e2fsck-static? ;-) |
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| 00:25.18 | pickering | RyanXFCE, try dmesg and then grep for it |
| 00:25.49 | pickering | I have never had your problem but dmesg (kernel ring buffer) shows network cards going up and down |
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| 00:26.22 | RyanXFCE | thanks for pointers rebauld |
| 00:26.52 | tpo | acz32, you can check with apt-policy linux-kernel-1.2.3.4. If you want to have it updated automatically then you need to "apt-get install unattended-upgrades" and you need to have backports in your apt/sources |
| 00:26.58 | RyanXFCE | I had never seen something like this. A machine that can not ping to localhost but can reach everything on the internet from afacebook.com to zfacebook.com :p |
| 00:27.47 | acz32 | tpo: apt-policy? |
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| 00:28.10 | tpo | pirithous, you can install a kernel from backports in parallel, then you have two kernels that are relatively different. Maybe the other one will boot better? |
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| 00:29.30 | rebauld | tpo you do know the libc.a is still in them ;---------) |
| 00:29.56 | tpo | acz32, apt-cache policy, sorry |
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| 00:30.23 | rebauld | RyanXFCE: do you have localhost in ifconfig and in /etc/hosts? |
| 00:30.24 | tpo | rebauld, you got me, I give up :-) |
| 00:30.58 | rebauld | yahooo!!! finally !! |
| 00:31.02 | rebauld | ;) |
| 00:31.13 | RyanXFCE | rebauld: it is present in /etc/network/interfaces, in /etc/hosts as well. And it appears as up in ifconfig output but only up to some random point. |
| 00:31.36 | RyanXFCE | There is no other networking service than the default. No network-manager, no wicd, etc. |
| 00:32.05 | tpo | JohnnyL, you probably need to go step by step and check one layer after the other whether sound works. Or - sometimes it happens that the sound card is muted, so try to unmute it (in alsamixer it's "M" I think to remember) |
| 00:32.16 | rebauld | what does ifconfig show or ip addr ls |
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| 00:32.41 | rebauld | exit |
| 00:32.49 | rebauld | oops |
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| 00:34.23 | tpo | rebauld, that wasn't your password, zut! |
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| 00:36.41 | RyanXFCE | rebauld, I don't have access to the machine ATM, but in general ifconfig output across time it looks like this: http://pastebin.com/hBtnmcjK |
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| 00:38.30 | rebauld | exit0 is |
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| 00:39.12 | tpo | ssh rebauld@173-8-89-205-BusName-ogden.ut.utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net muahahahahaha |
| 00:39.31 | knosys | guys is there a good reason to avoid enabling multiarch and installing i386 libraries, just for gaming? |
| 00:39.54 | Epakai | multiarch can use up a lot of storage |
| 00:40.10 | rebauld | tpo - pssst it's spoofed |
| 00:40.46 | tpo | RyanXFCE, "someone" must be issuing a "ifdown lo". "who" on your system is messing with interfaces? |
| 00:41.14 | knosys | Epakai: why is that? will it duplicate any package i install ? |
| 00:41.21 | knosys | for various archs' |
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| 00:41.37 | tpo | knosys, exactly |
| 00:41.47 | rebauld | tpo i think we need to sell him the 'lo' package $profit |
| 00:41.59 | heurist | knosys: aside from the extra space and extra packages to update, there is sometimes a slight delay between updates hitting the amd64 and i386 repos, which can be a bit confusing during update. just wait a few hours and it should sort itself out. |
| 00:42.10 | knosys | And is there a way to install some 32 libs, without adding multiarch i286? |
| 00:42.13 | knosys | i386* |
| 00:42.40 | heurist | knosys: no, multiarch *is* the way to install i386 libs. |
| 00:42.56 | RyanXFCE | tpo: the machine has only one user and it's not directly connected to the internet. I'll ask some questions around. |
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| 00:43.23 | tpo | heurist, can't you download and install them manually with dpkg without switching to multiarch? |
| 00:43.26 | heurist | knosys: if you need it for your games, do it. the space is only a fraction of what the rest of your system uses. |
| 00:43.32 | knosys | if i enable multiarch , and someday i want to remove it back, Will it be easy? |
| 00:43.35 | knosys | to clean i mean |
| 00:43.44 | knosys | to delete all that's not for amd64 |
| 00:43.45 | RyanXFCE | The only larger clue I have is that the rack the machine is on has some electrical issues and the machines lose power sometimes, but this is just a new level in strangeness |
| 00:43.53 | Chakka____ | Debian Jessie RC1 installer seems to hang for a long time at 55% (setting up iceweasel) - it did finally move on tho |
| 00:43.54 | heurist | tpo: you can not install them with enabling the architecture. |
| 00:44.42 | knosys | I dont understand why it is like that.. |
| 00:44.46 | heurist | knosys: should not be too hard, though there is always garbage when you install and then uninstall packages. |
| 00:45.07 | knosys | If i just need a few libraries... why does debian force me to duplicate everything? |
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| 00:45.32 | heurist | knosys: it does not, you only install the libraries that you need. not everything. |
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| 00:45.37 | rebauld | RyanXFCE: i just happen tohave this for you http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/node66.html |
| 00:45.39 | knosys | Aaahh |
| 00:45.42 | knosys | thats way different |
| 00:46.01 | knosys | only if i specify the :i386 , right? |
| 00:46.03 | tpo | RyanXFCE, I rather meant some script that does some cleanups or checking or monitoring or such, or virtual machines setup. That concerns itself with iterating over interfaces or setting up or disabling interfaces (virtual LXC machines that are not well isolated could possibly be a problem) |
| 00:46.28 | knosys | otherwise, packages will be for amd64 right? |
| 00:46.31 | heurist | knosys: yes, enabling i386 does not install anything (iirc) |
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| 00:46.54 | knosys | but if I install things after it, having the multiarch enabled |
| 00:47.05 | knosys | thats the thing that im not sure |
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| 00:47.44 | heurist | knosys: once enable the architecture you will have the :i386 packages listed in aptitude and can pick them if you want them. |
| 00:48.11 | knosys | to do that i must specify :i386 ? |
| 00:48.15 | knosys | i guess |
| 00:48.15 | RyanXFCE | ooooh |
| 00:48.27 | knosys | then its cool |
| 00:48.30 | heurist | knosys: yes |
| 00:48.37 | knosys | thanks =) |
| 00:48.47 | RyanXFCE | okay then I'll go figure that out, thanks, tpo && rebauld |
| 00:49.18 | rebauld | check your network startup script |
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| 00:51.05 | tpo | knosys, even if you enable i386 it will not install anything. Only when you install a package that explicitly needs i386 only then its i386 dependencies will get installed |
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| 00:54.38 | tpo | RyanXFCE, you're wellcome |
| 00:55.00 | knosys | thanks for the information guys |
| 00:55.18 | rebauld | tpo well now you only have 50 hours left on your community service sentence ;) |
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| 01:20.03 | tpo | rebaud re: community service :-) I hope there's a lot of life in front, so I can do some more... ;-) |
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| 02:36.22 | snadge | so im following these instructions: http://wiki.znc.in/Running_ZNC_as_a_system_daemon |
| 02:36.49 | snadge | on a debian 7 system.. and for whatever reason start-stop-daemon .. isnt generating a pid file |
| 02:37.04 | shay_shay | jessie doesnt accept "dpkg-reconfigure -ua" ? |
| 02:37.12 | snadge | despite having this passed to it --pidfile $PIDFILE |
| 02:37.37 | snadge | the /var/run/znc directory exists and is writeable by the znc user/group |
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| 02:39.59 | Nixus | anyone have steam working? thanks |
| 02:40.57 | Junaos | Q: Is libc-bin 2.13-38+deb7u6 the updated version to patch CVE-2015-0235? Confusing me because I can't find +deb7u7 on the debian package tracker |
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| 02:41.47 | abrotman | Junaos: did oyu check the DSA announcement ? |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3142 |
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| 02:43.56 | Junaos | abrotman, From the DSA: "For the stable distribution (wheezy), these problems have been fixed in version 2.13-38+deb7u7." But when you look at the eglibc packages available for download (by clicking the "Affected Packages" link on the DSA), only deb7u6 is displayed. |
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| 02:45.07 | abrotman | Junaos: IIRC, the PTS site lags by a day or so |
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| 02:46.36 | Junaos | abrotman, that explains it. I have servers that I have to patch -- that are firewalled off from making outgoing connections to use the 'easy' ways (apt-get update/upgrade etc). Do you know of a download link for the updated packaged? |
| 02:46.38 | Junaos | packages* |
| 02:47.48 | xar- | it looks like the update will actually masquerade in a package called "libc6-dev" |
| 02:47.56 | xar- | it surfaced for me after doing an apt-get update |
| 02:48.16 | Nixus | anyone? steam? |
| 02:48.32 | Junaos | xar-, libc6-dev would only be the development headers, I believe. |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | Junaos: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/e/eglibc/ is one place |
| 02:49.12 | xar- | eglibc (2.13-38+deb7u7) wheezy-security; urgency=medium * debian/patches/any/cvs-gethostbyname.diff: new patch from upstream to fix a buffer overflow in gethostbyname (CVE-2015-0235). |
| 02:49.14 | Nixus | oh, is there libc6 = or < 4.15? |
| 02:49.16 | SirLagz | Nixus: yes I have steam working |
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| 02:49.28 | Nixus | really? did you use the modded installer? |
| 02:49.34 | SirLagz | Nixus: no |
| 02:49.37 | Nixus | how? |
| 02:49.38 | woshty | Is there something in the busybox installer thingie that I can use to compress a file? |
| 02:49.50 | SirLagz | Nixus: i installed it from apt, but I'm running sid on my gaming rig, not wheezy |
| 02:50.06 | SirLagz | woshty: busybox has xz IIRC |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | woshty: which version of Debian? |
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| 02:50.23 | Nixus | I'm using ubuntu (I'm noob, but have computer knowledge) can I add the sid repos? |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | busybox has gzip and tar also |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | Nixus: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:50.32 | SirLagz | Nixus: #ubuntu <-- ask there |
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| 02:50.49 | woshty | abrotman: whatever I get when just downloading the network install cd image for stable |
| 02:51.12 | abrotman | woshty: if you just type in 'busybox', you'll get the list of commands |
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| 02:51.47 | Nixus | I used debian before, had to use ethernet then install wifi drivers, but couldn't get steam working. I'm thinking of going back, as I'm experiencing some bugs :/. I'm just making sure about some stuff |
| 02:51.54 | xar- | Junaos: I can paste a list of things that got updated, if you're interested |
| 02:53.11 | Nixus | how stable is Sid? |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | Nixus: Can you afford to lose your data? |
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| 02:53.37 | woshty | unxz xzcat zcat .. nothing to compress I suppose |
| 02:53.52 | abrotman | woshty: gzip ? |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | xz? |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | really/ |
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| 02:54.06 | Nixus | yes, I just use it for internet and working on documents. I have 2 or more spares... |
| 02:54.06 | woshty | gunzip :) |
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| 02:55.02 | woshty | that could really be a bit less light :D .. haven't said that in a long time about anything |
| 02:55.30 | Junaos | abrotman, Cheers, it hadn't hit my local mirror yet. Super helpful |
| 02:55.33 | Nixus | I'm still learning linux, (6-12 months of experience) would debian be all right? I like how it's not bloated with gunk. |
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| 02:56.01 | SirLagz | Nixus: sid will break occasionally. but generally it's good enough for a gaming rig |
| 02:57.06 | Nixus | what do you mean, "break"? |
| 02:58.12 | SirLagz | Nixus: be unbootable as a worst case. best case - nothing breaks :P |
| 02:58.26 | heurist | Nixus: if you are interested in learning then debian would be better than one of the buntus. it is not harder, it just gives you more choices. |
| 02:59.32 | Nixus | I prefer debian based as they have lots of support and my muscle memory is apt-get, LOL |
| 03:00.18 | SirLagz | is there an easy way to figure out where all my inodes are being used ? anything like du but for inodes ? |
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| 03:02.44 | SirLagz | argh. the version of du I have doesn't support --inodes dammit |
| 03:02.58 | abrotman | SirLagz: df -i ? |
| 03:03.09 | SirLagz | abrotman: I need to figure out where all my inodes have gone |
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| 03:03.40 | SirLagz | 19660800 inodes, and they're all used up :( |
| 03:05.11 | SirLagz | guess I'm resorting to good ol' find |
| 03:05.19 | heurist | SirLagz: jessie's du should support --inode acodring to http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/?id=333dc83d |
| 03:05.31 | SirLagz | heurist: pity I'm not on jessie lol |
| 03:06.03 | heurist | SirLagz: boot a live/install image with newer coreutils and run a check? |
| 03:06.24 | SirLagz | heurist: production server, not a good idea to randomly reboot it lol |
| 03:06.37 | heurist | SirLagz: no, I see your point. |
| 03:06.56 | SirLagz | though at this point in time, It's not all that much of an issue since it can't function anyway haha |
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| 03:20.04 | k_sze[work] | erm, `dd bs=4000000000 count=1 if=~/colour.mkv of=~/chopped_colour.mkv` ends up copying only 2.1GB of data. |
| 03:20.31 | k_sze[work] | How can I guarantee that I get exactly 4000000000 bytes? |
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| 03:21.30 | piklu | Hello |
| 03:21.43 | piklu | I am having severe problem in getting network on my debian VPS |
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| 03:21.47 | piklu | not sure what is happening |
| 03:21.50 | piklu | can anyone help ? |
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| 03:22.42 | woshty | k_sze[work]: source file is >2.1G? |
| 03:22.48 | k_sze[work] | yes |
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| 03:23.36 | k_sze[work] | woshty: source file is about 4.5 GB |
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| 03:25.20 | Nixus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:26.39 | woshty | k_sze[work]: I do not know what happens with bs that big, maybe you run out of ram or sth .. I would use something like bs=1MB count=4000 |
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| 03:34.26 | TheMissingBit | anyone know how to get a optiups |
| 03:34.28 | TheMissingBit | to work with Linux? |
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| 03:37.57 | TheMissingBit | no. |
| 03:37.58 | TheMissingBit | i guess |
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| 03:38.28 | sonno | I'm trying to install debian on a server I just got from ebay and I can't get the installer (usb) to recognize my sata hdds. |
| 03:38.32 | sonno | It's a poweredge 2950 |
| 03:38.44 | sonno | Can anyone give me any direction with this? |
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| 03:38.59 | TheMissingBit | sonno, you got your drivers |
| 03:39.04 | TheMissingBit | ? |
| 03:39.20 | TheMissingBit | im kinda useles |
| 03:39.23 | sonno | I assume that's the issue. |
| 03:39.28 | TheMissingBit | for this, I've never had this issue |
| 03:39.31 | sonno | I'm attempting a net install |
| 03:39.33 | TheMissingBit | sonno, are you using wheezy or sid? |
| 03:39.39 | TheMissingBit | sonno, net install? |
| 03:39.39 | sonno | So shouldn't it just pull them from the repo? |
| 03:39.47 | sonno | USB boot to net install. |
| 03:39.51 | sonno | Wheezy |
| 03:39.57 | TheMissingBit | are you using the net installer or minimalistic |
| 03:40.02 | sonno | Net installer |
| 03:40.04 | TheMissingBit | minimalistic is the /net/ installer |
| 03:40.10 | TheMissingBit | but then there is a different net installer... |
| 03:40.13 | TheMissingBit | it's confusing. |
| 03:40.15 | sonno | It's not the PXE installer |
| 03:40.17 | TheMissingBit | ok |
| 03:40.20 | sonno | USB based |
| 03:40.25 | sonno | Boots into an install menu |
| 03:40.31 | TheMissingBit | ya but you can load the pxe one on a usb :p |
| 03:40.50 | sonno | Oh. Well I actually was trying to figure PXE out, but that's one too many things to learn atm. |
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| 03:41.10 | TheMissingBit | I am learning to work with PXE too |
| 03:41.13 | sonno | I'm actually planning on wiping debian when I get it up and running proper to start playing around with Xen |
| 03:41.23 | TheMissingBit | oh |
| 03:41.27 | sonno | The whole reason for getting this loud mfer was to play with virtualization. |
| 03:41.29 | TheMissingBit | you want to try #proxmox then |
| 03:41.36 | TheMissingBit | it's based on debian and it's KVM iirc |
| 03:41.47 | sonno | But I want to get it functional right now. |
| 03:41.52 | sonno | Then I can start doing things to break it lol |
| 03:41.54 | TheMissingBit | sonno, you realize any old desktop with multiple cores works right |
| 03:41.58 | TheMissingBit | multiple cores and ram |
| 03:42.05 | sonno | It was only 100$ |
| 03:42.08 | TheMissingBit | so a AMD FX 6350 + 16gb of ram |
| 03:42.09 | sonno | Dual xeon 2.0 |
| 03:42.12 | TheMissingBit | it will cost a lot more in money |
| 03:42.13 | sonno | 16gb |
| 03:42.19 | TheMissingBit | and probably perform slowly compared to a modern machine |
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| 03:43.02 | sonno | So where can I get the proper drivers? |
| 03:43.05 | sonno | Dell? |
| 03:43.13 | sonno | Does dell support debian? |
| 03:43.19 | TheMissingBit | try sid |
| 03:43.22 | TheMissingBit | debian SID |
| 03:43.32 | TheMissingBit | wheezy uses a bit dated of a kernel but it's stable |
| 03:43.51 | sonno | Okay. Would you think trying to just jump straight to Xen would be worthwhile? |
| 03:44.11 | sonno | It seems like an extra step before gratification. |
| 03:44.16 | TheMissingBit | yes |
| 03:44.20 | TheMissingBit | I'd start with proxmox |
| 03:44.23 | TheMissingBit | it has a nice interface |
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| 03:44.29 | TheMissingBit | you can then screw arount with vm's :) |
| 03:44.30 | sonno | Okay, I'll grab it and give it a go. |
| 03:44.37 | TheMissingBit | come to #proxmox |
| 03:44.43 | sonno | Join us.... |
| 03:44.45 | sonno | Join ussssss |
| 03:44.50 | TheMissingBit | join us |
| 03:44.51 | TheMissingBit | one of us |
| 03:44.53 | TheMissingBit | one of us. |
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| 05:20.51 | CHVNX | You need to be put in the camel clutch, have your facking back broken, and then be facked in the ass to make you humble, facking jabroni. |
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| 05:21.07 | CHVNX | woow, wrong channel |
| 05:21.18 | CHVNX | That's a quote, not my own. Iron Skeik, the wrestler. |
| 05:21.30 | CHVNX | Sorry, folks. |
| 05:21.40 | CHVNX | Wandering nomadic mouse... |
| 05:22.07 | deuti | hi, i have a question regarding the ghost vuln: is 'checkrestart' enough after an upgrade to determine whether the box needs to be rebooted or not? or do i need to reboot them very likely anyway? |
| 05:22.11 | DrakkenWarr | lulz it happenes CHVNX |
| 05:22.14 | shay_shay | ban! |
| 05:22.21 | CHVNX | facepalms |
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| 05:23.32 | deuti | as after the security upgrade, 'checkrestart' usually found 0 processes using outdated libraries .. and that's on servers! |
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| 05:24.21 | deuti | so i'm a bit suspicious in that checkrestart might not be adequate to check whether a reboot is necessary in the case of the ghost vulnerability |
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| 05:26.05 | deuti | anybody here? |
| 05:26.18 | heurist` | deuti: patience |
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| 05:27.22 | deuti | the other test floating around is: lsof | grep libc | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq |
| 05:27.35 | heurist` | deuti: needrestart listed a whole slew of process that needed restarting, but reboot was required on a few of my machines due to some services not working after, notably ssh and nfs. I would have wanted to reboot anyway. |
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| 05:28.07 | deuti | heurist`: ok, thx. needrestart is a checkrestart alternative? |
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| 05:28.38 | heurist` | ,v needrestart |
| 05:28.39 | judd | Package: needrestart on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2-6; sid: 1.2-7; experimental: 2.0-1 |
| 05:28.55 | heurist` | deuti: yes, it is in backports though |
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| 05:29.20 | deuti | oh, all our servers are on plain wheezy |
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| 05:29.35 | deuti | so i guess i'm going to reboot them all.. ouch |
| 05:29.58 | DrakkenWarr | wait, what.. reboot production servers? |
| 05:30.02 | heurist | deuti: yeah, was gonna stage the reboots till stuff started failing. |
| 05:30.49 | heurist | DrakkenWarr: libc gets into *everything* might be a good idea to reboot to get rid of the ghosts |
| 05:31.08 | DrakkenWarr | ah, fair enough and good call there |
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| 06:09.27 | szt | How to shutdown Debian remotely from within windows |
| 06:10.05 | mjt | it is almost always done using ssh |
| 06:10.50 | szt | Is there an ssh like tool for windows? One thar I can use just like /bin/ssh ? |
| 06:11.10 | mjt | well, google certainly knows... |
| 06:11.42 | phy1729 | szt: there are many ssh clients for windows: PuTTY TeraTerm KiTTY MobaXTerm although ##windows might be a better channel to ask |
| 06:12.01 | szt | Thanks a lot |
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| 06:19.30 | jeezy | my debian is pretty fast :) running jessie RC1 |
| 06:19.31 | jeezy | 1306525696 bytes (1.3 GB) copied, 0.810456 s, 1.6 GB/s |
| 06:20.35 | jeezy | anyone else running RC1? |
| 06:20.38 | jeezy | how is it thus far? |
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| 06:22.03 | themill | (to be pedantic, there is no jessie rc1. There is an installer rc1) |
| 06:23.03 | jeezy | well yeah 3.16.0-4 |
| 06:24.19 | jeezy | at any rate; just checking it out -- dualboot with freebsd on this notebook |
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| 06:49.41 | TheMissingBit | sf |
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| 06:49.50 | jeezy | ? |
| 06:50.57 | TheMissingBit | ? |
| 06:51.01 | TheMissingBit | I'm working on a custom kernel |
| 06:51.04 | TheMissingBit | I'm bored. |
| 06:51.30 | jeezy | cool |
| 06:51.35 | jeezy | im configuring a MYKERNEL right now |
| 06:51.42 | TheMissingBit | ok |
| 06:51.48 | TheMissingBit | mine isn't linux based |
| 06:51.58 | jeezy | same |
| 06:52.09 | TheMissingBit | have you got a graphical console |
| 06:52.19 | TheMissingBit | or VGA acceleration yet, or is it still console based |
| 06:52.33 | jeezy | highres console |
| 06:52.34 | jeezy | wscons |
| 06:53.03 | Super_Ape | hello... how can i solve this problem: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 06:54.20 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: install the apropiate package which contains libGL.so.1 |
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| 06:55.04 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libGL.so.1&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 06:55.14 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, I tried libGL*... but contains some problems |
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| 06:55.19 | Super_Ape | let me see the link, one secc. |
| 06:55.44 | TheMissingBit | jeezy, screenshot |
| 06:55.45 | TheMissingBit | please |
| 06:56.37 | TheMissingBit | I suggest you pm it |
| 06:57.57 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, My hardware is radeon, can I install a package containing nvidia drivers? |
| 06:58.23 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: you can, but it will be useless to you |
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| 07:00.47 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: You probably want the libgl1-fglrx-glx which is the proprietary radeon drivers or libgl1-mesa-glx which is generic X11 implementation |
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| 07:01.59 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, my emulator zsnes was working... after I install some softwares it cames with the error.... |
| 07:02.51 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: do you have either of those installed? what does ldd on your emulator say? paste.debian.net the output |
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| 07:05.26 | mantas | Hi, can somebody tell my how to install GADS (google apps directory sync) on Debian via CLI, without GUI? |
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| 07:07.20 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, yes, i have... zsnes: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:07.45 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, I've tried two other softwares, kega-fusion (Emulator of sega games) and the MMORPG Tibia, |
| 07:07.52 | Super_Ape | the same error, ops, sorry for flooding; |
| 07:08.57 | mjt | that's libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 07:09.35 | mjt | (package which has that library that is) |
| 07:09.36 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: I said ldd zsnes |
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| 07:10.18 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: and yes, you should install either libgl1-mesa-glx or libgl1-fglrx-glx given you have a radeon |
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| 07:12.10 | Super_Ape | they 're already installed... but I have a msg like: Configured to installed manually... Is lld the libraries? |
| 07:12.18 | rjsalts | mantas: if you don't have a DISPLAY environment variable it should work on the cli |
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| 07:13.08 | mjt | Super_Ape: they're ? |
| 07:13.22 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: ldd will tell you what shared libraries are required for a ELF binary or other shared library |
| 07:13.30 | Super_Ape | how can i list them? |
| 07:13.51 | mjt | sigh |
| 07:13.53 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: ldd /path/to/zsnes, paste the output on paste.debian.net |
| 07:14.04 | Super_Ape | Okay buddy, just one sec. |
| 07:14.12 | mantas | rjsalts it works via CLI when instaled but while installing it need to pop up instalation screen |
| 07:14.22 | mjt | /path/to/zsnes is a shell wrapper most likely |
| 07:14.53 | rjsalts | mantas: I just tried and it doesn't pop anything up |
| 07:15.10 | mjt | and if libgl1-mesa-glx is installed but a binary can't find the library, something's wrong on the system.. |
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| 07:16.44 | rjsalts | mjt, Super_Ape: could be, could be multi-arch (i.e. zsnes is 32bit only has libgl1 for 64bit) or LD_PRELOAD in wrapper silliness |
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| 07:17.10 | mjt | yeah, different arch (bitness) is another possibility |
| 07:18.05 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, i've already use # dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 07:18.21 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, the line command to the list ldd doesn1t work |
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| 07:18.41 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: what does file /path/to/ldd say then? |
| 07:19.04 | rjsalts | Super_Ape: sorry file /path/to/zsnes |
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| 07:20.46 | Super_Ape | rjsalts, i'm going out to sleep.. later i back. thansk buddy |
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| 08:19.42 | dupondje_ | Is there somewhere a list of software affected and thus vulnerable by the glibc bug? |
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| 08:24.10 | nkuttler | dupondje_: well, with bugs at the glibc level, it's safe to assume everything is vulnerable |
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| 08:26.29 | dupondje_ | nkuttler: but it seems like almost nothing is affected when looking :) |
| 08:26.38 | dupondje_ | apache/mysql etc seems not to be vulnerable |
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| 08:27.29 | nkuttler | as i understand it everything that calls gethostbyname is an entry vector |
| 08:28.06 | dupondje_ | yes, but some software validates the input to gethostbyname, and those are not vulnerable |
| 08:28.42 | nkuttler | if you trust the validation to be bug free you get another layer of security, right |
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| 08:29.38 | dupondje_ | well it should be patched for sure :) but it can get the right priority then :) |
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| 08:40.00 | Gerben | Ubuntu advises to reboot the system to make the Ghost bugfix fully effective. In the Debian Security Advisory I don't see any advice about this. Would a restart of the system services be enough? |
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| 08:41.28 | heurist | Gerben: "enough" is a bit of a vague term. how much do you care about your security? make sure you restart *all* the services that use libc, and you should be ok, but rebooting might be simpler that restart all of them. |
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| 08:43.22 | Gerben | heurist, I don't have that many services per server. On a dedicated webserver that would just be the webserver software and maybe openssh. |
| 08:43.50 | N3X15 | Better safe than sorry, imho. |
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| 08:45.56 | Dw_Sn | I am trying to automate Jessie installation, I have those lines in my pressed file "d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true" |
| 08:46.02 | Dw_Sn | and d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean true |
| 08:46.14 | Dw_Sn | and still need to select the disk , or enter it manually |
| 08:46.26 | heurist | Gerben: your call, you use lsof | grep libc | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq to get an idea of that needs restarting. |
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| 08:52.20 | Gerben | heurist, if I add "wc -l" to that on a shared webhosting server it returns '54' .. Only a matter of picking the best moment / prioritizing. |
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| 08:53.05 | anddam | hello, simple network requests like curl -I http://www.google.com take a long time to complete, running it with time command shows a complete time of more than one minute. This host is a VPS in a datacenter and its bandwidth is usually pretty good, pinging the same host has low ping time |
| 08:53.23 | anddam | could this be an issue related to IPv6 being (mis)configured? |
| 08:53.53 | heurist | Gerben: that and hoping nothing breaks, both sshd and nfs-kernel-server did not come back from restart on some of my boxes. nfs crash is less funny than it sounds. |
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| 08:55.36 | heurist | anddam: maybe add a --verbose or --trace to curl to see where it is waiting. |
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| 08:57.30 | anddam | heurist: I'll try, another detail is that I tried www.google.com and www.weechat.org and the times were suspiciously in the same range, 1:03.07 and 1:03.32 |
| 08:57.50 | anddam | the 1:03 could be something related to the ISP and then the latter could be outer network latency |
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| 08:58.58 | heurist | anddam: and after that time they succeed? could be aaaa dns timeout as you say. maybe add --ipv4 to try avoid ipv6 lookups |
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| 09:00.15 | anddam | heurist: in fact verbose shows staying a long time on Trying 2607:f8b0:4007:80a::2004. |
| 09:00.45 | heurist | anddam: so *not* dns at least. |
| 09:00.53 | anddam | 0.00user 0.00system 0:00.08elapsed |
| 09:01.06 | anddam | since I have no actual use for ipv6 I'll disable it at all |
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| 09:01.29 | heurist | anddam: that is a common solution. |
| 09:01.30 | anddam | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 says "Also be sure to add extra lines for other network interfaces you want to disable IPv6" |
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| 09:02.44 | heurist | anddam: I think that just net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf is enough. ymmv |
| 09:03.13 | anddam | I've been asking this already here, why the need for specific interfaces line if I provide default and all? |
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| 09:03.18 | anddam | My ip addr shows lo sit0 tunl0 gre0 gretap0 ip6tnl0 venet0 |
| 09:03.27 | anddam | with my public ipv4 address being on venet0 |
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| 09:04.13 | heurist | anddam: any interface that is up before sysctl runs does not care about defaults. .all. is supposed to do them, but some things did not honour the all entry. |
| 09:04.13 | anddam | I don't know what most of those ifaces are |
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| 09:04.23 | anddam | makes sense |
| 09:04.38 | anddam | I'll use all|default and see what it looks like after reboot |
| 09:04.55 | anddam | or is there a way to apply changes without rebooting? |
| 09:05.03 | anddam | and possibly without locking me out of the host |
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| 09:05.41 | anddam | I hope the VPS provider console doesn't use ipv6 |
| 09:06.28 | heurist | anddam: yes. testing is always a good plan. sysctl -p would tell you if the all clause applies, but it does not take the existing ipv6 addresses off the interfaces, you will need to ifdown $int ; ipup $int to see if they worked. remote lockout is a scary thing. |
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| 09:07.02 | heurist | anddam: s/ipup/ifup/ |
| 09:07.08 | anddam | I'll do my due diligence and check it |
| 09:07.31 | anddam | iirc the host used to have different ifaces for public ip and internal console, now I see both addresses are on venet0 |
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| 09:08.58 | anddam | so screwing that up is likely to lock me out |
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| 09:10.36 | heurist | anddam: can you spin up a temporary vps for a few minutes to test with? contact the provider and ask them about remediation for if you bork it. |
| 09:10.40 | anddam | heurist: restarting networking service should ifdown/up all configured interfaces right? |
| 09:10.46 | anddam | heurist: this is the temporary vps :-) |
| 09:10.52 | heurist | anddam: NO |
| 09:10.59 | anddam | I mean it's a small vps and no real services running on it |
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| 09:11.04 | anddam | it's the playground |
| 09:11.43 | drasko | Hi all. I would like to boot Debian in console/text only mode |
| 09:11.50 | drasko | I do not need X for now |
| 09:11.50 | anddam | was NO the answer to my networking question? |
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| 09:12.02 | Gerben | I get 80KB/s from a server located in a DC with Gbit connection to security.debian.org. I guess there is a small traffic peak now :)... |
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| 09:12.14 | anddam | drasko: good |
| 09:12.16 | drasko | how to configure this? I can not see existing /etc/inittab to set runlevel 3 |
| 09:12.18 | heurist | anddam: do not use /etc/init.d/networking restart it does not do. use ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 with your interface name |
| 09:12.30 | anddam | heurist: ok |
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| 09:12.57 | anddam | drasko: don't you have an initdefaut line in inittab? |
| 09:13.03 | anddam | initdefault also |
| 09:13.21 | drasko | I do not see inittab |
| 09:13.29 | anddam | drasko: where do you look for it? |
| 09:13.30 | heurist | drasko: which display manager are you using? |
| 09:13.33 | drasko | There is no inittab in debian system |
| 09:13.35 | drasko | apparently |
| 09:13.46 | drasko | heurist:default |
| 09:13.56 | drasko | gdm |
| 09:13.58 | anddam | drasko: there is, but what you see depends on what path are you looking at |
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| 09:14.24 | heurist | drasko: update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 09:14.33 | drasko | anddam: do you find it normal to look somewhere else apart /etc/inittab? |
| 09:14.39 | anddam | drasko: i.e. if I open my home directory it's unlikely I'll see a file named inittab, but if I look at content of /etc there is |
| 09:14.51 | drasko | smart guy |
| 09:15.19 | anddam | drasko: that's not as foolish as you would imagine, I've been on irc enough to know |
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| 09:15.54 | drasko | andnam: there is no inittab under debian. |
| 09:16.06 | drasko | ls /etc |
| 09:16.13 | drasko | and search yourself |
| 09:16.34 | drasko | heurist:this is runlevel 3 config? I seriously doubt... |
| 09:16.49 | drasko | but maybe... |
| 09:16.52 | anddam | I beg to differ |
| 09:16.54 | anddam | ile /etc/inittab; cat /etc/os-release | grep \^NAME |
| 09:16.56 | anddam | /etc/inittab: ASCII text |
| 09:16.58 | anddam | NAME="Debian GNU/Linux" |
| 09:17.04 | heurist | drasko: has nothing to do with runlevels, runlevels are so last century. |
| 09:17.17 | anddam | unless debian switched systemd and I didn't notice |
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| 09:17.49 | drasko | root@Hegel:/home/drasko# ls /etc/ | grep inittab |
| 09:17.49 | drasko | root@Hegel:/home/drasko# |
| 09:18.07 | drasko | anddam: I really don't know which version ou are using |
| 09:18.15 | anddam | wheezy |
| 09:18.19 | drasko | I have default testing installed |
| 09:18.47 | drasko | are you sure you did not create this file yourself? |
| 09:18.49 | anddam | ah testing, so that may well be the case, you should have started with that |
| 09:18.53 | anddam | I'm sure |
| 09:19.14 | heurist | drasko: if you do not want to run gdm on boot disable the gdm service on boot, when you decide you want to run it again just use update-rc.d gdm enable if you want it once off use service gdm start |
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| 09:20.05 | drasko | heurist:so, this is the standard debian way of switching to runlevel 3? |
| 09:20.17 | heurist | drasko: has nothing to do with runlevels, runlevels are so last century. |
| 09:20.26 | anddam | heurist: I'm backing up home and etc in case I need to wipe the image, this is unmanaged so if I lock me up I'll have to wipe out and restart |
| 09:20.44 | drasko | OK, so you must explicitly disable display manager |
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| 09:21.11 | anddam | here "Jessie installs systemd by default on new installs. " |
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| 09:21.35 | anddam | drasko: but saying "Debian doesn't have inittab" is just false, current stable is still Wheezy |
| 09:21.40 | heurist | anddam: do you connect to the system using ipv6 at all? if you connect over ipv4 only then you should be safe enough with this change (man I hate saying that) |
| 09:21.51 | anddam | heurist: no I don't |
| 09:21.53 | drasko | root@Hegel:/home/drasko# update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 09:21.53 | drasko | update-rc.d: error: cannot find a LSB script for gdm |
| 09:21.56 | drasko | whoops.. |
| 09:21.57 | heurist | drasko: if you do not want the dm disable the dm, yes. |
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| 09:22.07 | anddam | better backing up on another vps just in case |
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| 09:23.34 | heurist | drasko: ls /etc/init.d/*dm* will tell you the correct name. tab autocomplete might help too. asking jessie questions on the jessie channel might get you better answers too. see #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:24.42 | heurist | anddam: you should have backups anyway. |
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| 09:26.01 | jeeves_moss | is there a non invite only php channel? |
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| 09:26.37 | themill | jeeves_moss: ##php |
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| 09:27.22 | jeeves_moss | themill, thanks! |
| 09:27.31 | SirLagz | jeeves_moss: you need to be registered / identified though |
| 09:27.43 | jeeves_moss | I am reg. apparently I'm banned |
| 09:28.06 | jolan78 | hello, I'd like to patch CVE-2015-0235 for squeeze-lts |
| 09:28.32 | jolan78 | eglibc 2.11.3-4+deb6u4 fixes it |
| 09:28.59 | jeeves_moss | SirLagz, are you any good with PHP? |
| 09:29.05 | jolan78 | but it seems binaries are not available yet |
| 09:29.16 | SirLagz | jeeves_moss: maybe? |
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| 09:30.04 | jeeves_moss | SirLagz, ok, one sec. I'll pastebin what I've got |
| 09:30.07 | jolan78 | what's the usual delay for this ? |
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| 09:30.16 | SirLagz | jeeves_moss: lets move this to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:31.06 | jolan78 | (this is the GHOST exploit btw) |
| 09:31.28 | jeeves_moss | SirLagz, ok. |
| 09:32.12 | anddam | heurist: I have to say I liked the runlevel thing more, I had a bit of rough time switching Arch to systemd |
| 09:32.21 | anddam | Debian was a safe harbor |
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| 09:33.38 | Gerben | jolan78, https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3142 |
| 09:33.39 | heurist | anddam: I liked runlevels too, but they are limited in capability, and most distros had bastardized them real hard long before they decided to "give them up" as a means of system control. |
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| 09:34.46 | jolan78 | Gerben : I know but 2.11.3-4+deb6u4 is not available in apt |
| 09:34.59 | jolan78 | nor the binaries built from it |
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| 09:36.09 | themill | jolan78: it has to be compiled and then distributed to the mirrors first |
| 09:36.45 | jolan78 | themill: do you know the usual delay for this ? |
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| 09:39.02 | heeen | I keep getting packages that cannot be authenticated. I updated debian-archive-keyring, did update and upgrade, but still the same error. my list of keys looks ok I think: http://pastebin.com/6WSDXKyK |
| 09:39.16 | jelly-home | jolan78: typically mirrors are set up to update 2-4 times a day, so 12 hours delay is not unusual |
| 09:39.29 | heeen | I also did apt-get clean |
| 09:39.59 | jelly-home | jolan78: the amd64 build is available on my mirror. the i386 one hasn't propagated yet |
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| 09:41.16 | jolan78 | jelly-home: thank you. |
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| 09:43.59 | jolan78 | jelly-home: my mirror is updated now, thank you all for your help |
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| 09:48.11 | anddam | heurist: oh wow, just running sysctl -p disabled ipv6 from the interfaces |
| 09:48.32 | anddam | heurist: I thought it loaded the new settings without affecting currently running config |
| 09:48.39 | heurist | anddam: it pulled the address off too? nice. |
| 09:48.48 | anddam | heeen: then did a ip addr to check the current setup and ipv6 is gone |
| 09:49.02 | anddam | neat and clean |
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| 09:49.30 | heurist | anddam: makes sense I suppose. if it removed ipv6 from the kernel the addresses must go. |
| 09:49.43 | anddam | > time curl -sI http://www.google.com >/dev/null |
| 09:49.44 | anddam | 0.00user 0.00system 0:00.07elapsed |
| 09:49.50 | anddam | better |
| 09:49.59 | anddam | thanks a lot |
| 09:50.06 | heurist | anddam: and that was with default and all, not interfaces specified in sysctl.conf? |
| 09:50.06 | anddam | I can toss the temporary backup now :-) |
| 09:50.18 | anddam | no I specified my active interface |
| 09:50.36 | anddam | ip6tnl0 still has link/tunnel6 :: brd :: |
| 09:50.46 | anddam | but since I don't really know what it is I'll leave it there |
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| 09:51.23 | heurist | anddam: "if it ain't broke, don't step on it" -- Alf |
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| 09:51.24 | komanda3 | how do i configure disk? |
| 09:51.26 | komanda3 | sda2 |
| 09:51.29 | komanda3 | sda3 |
| 09:51.30 | komanda3 | etc |
| 09:51.36 | komanda3 | how do i create/edit/delete these? |
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| 09:52.17 | anddam | heurist: alien wisdom |
| 09:52.26 | anddam | see you |
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| 09:54.01 | Komanda | sudo pvcreate /dev/sda4 |
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| 10:08.28 | inch | When creating a source package, can I somehow declare that a patch must be applied when compiling on architecture X, but not when compiling on architecture Y? |
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| 10:09.40 | themill | inch: not without having lots of fun doing it manually in d/rules (or by doing so in the patch itself) |
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| 10:11.26 | Daemonik__ | After I do an iscsiadm --login , how do I see which iSCSI targets or LUNs become which disks? |
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| 10:12.58 | jeeves_moss | hey guys. I have a NetGear NV+ V1 that I'm trying to find out why it's so bloody slow. Where would some good places be to look. My 300Mhz SOC box runs circles around this 500Mhz spark box |
| 10:13.41 | inch | themill: Thanks. It seems in this case I can just #ifdef in the patch. |
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| 10:14.09 | themill | yeah, that would be the normal approach if it really is arch-specific |
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| 10:15.23 | jeeves_moss | I think it's time to break out the soldering iron and go poking around at my NAS to get a console port |
| 10:15.27 | AL13N_work | anyone here with info regarding the glibc sec bug for deb6-LTS? i noticed it wasn't available yet |
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| 10:21.30 | jolan78 | AL13N_work: it is, just wait for your mirror tu be updated |
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| 10:28.00 | AL13N_work | jolan78: i didn't see it in the lts-announce mailing list |
| 10:28.34 | Runka | where can i see the bugs of jessie frozen? |
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| 10:28.59 | Walex | jeeves_moss: try 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 10:29.05 | jolan78 | AL13N_work: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 |
| 10:29.48 | Walex | jeeves_moss: also look at 'hdparm -T' to see the transfer rate of the cached reads. |
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| 10:31.52 | baum | a lot of packages i try to install end up with an error message like that, by chance anyone got an idea why? http://pastebin.com/TV2u9a8u |
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| 10:38.46 | jolan78 | baum: looks like a mixup of wheezy and unstable |
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| 10:39.30 | baum | jolan78, uhm thanks, what does this mean exactly? |
| 10:39.58 | jolan78 | what version of debian are you using ? |
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| 10:40.41 | jolan78 | what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 10:42.43 | baum | jolan78, Version: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:45.20 | jolan78 | baum: thats your kernel , a wheezy one. |
| 10:45.29 | petn-randall | baum: Can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list, and any possible files under /etc/apt/source.list.d./ to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 10:45.38 | baum | jolan78, it isn't included in the /etc/apt/sources.list - instead i included it like in the i3wm tutorial in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/i3-autobuild.list |
| 10:46.08 | heurist | baum: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} will tell you all the sources |
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| 10:46.29 | jolan78 | baum thats your problem, it's not designed to works with wheezy |
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| 10:48.18 | jolan78 | either remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/i3-autobuild.list to use wheezy's i3, or maybe upgrade to jessie (unstable) |
| 10:48.39 | petn-randall | jolan78: jessie is not unstable ... |
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| 10:48.55 | jolan78 | oh right |
| 10:49.40 | Casperaa | Hi! Im having a problem configuring sudo acess for an user account, is anyone willing to help me out real quick? |
| 10:50.24 | baum | jolan78, uhm, but upgrading to jessie just to get the newest version of a WM doesn't make too much sense, does it? |
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| 10:50.58 | heurist | ,v i3-wm |
| 10:50.59 | judd | Package: i3-wm on i386 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; sid: 4.8-1; jessie: 4.8-1 |
| 10:51.12 | heurist | baum: wheezy-backports has 4.8 |
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| 10:52.47 | baum | heurist, uhm, alright thanks (looking up how to get it) :) |
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| 10:55.22 | heurist | dpkg: tell baum -about wheezy-backports |
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| 10:56.58 | baum | got it thanks! :D |
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| 11:07.09 | Runka | are the backports going to be enabled by default with jessie? |
| 11:07.39 | jelly-home | Runka: why would they be? |
| 11:07.59 | Runka | jelly-home: because they are on debian testing |
| 11:08.22 | jelly-home | Runka: huh, which image did you install testing from |
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| 11:08.39 | Runka | i used the testing installer |
| 11:08.59 | Runka | netinst |
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| 11:09.30 | jelly-home | Runka: do you have the exact URL? |
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| 11:13.43 | Runka | jelly-home: i dont remember lol |
| 11:13.59 | liam | @casperaa sure, I'll try |
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| 11:19.25 | nimpsnawak | hi ! |
| 11:21.13 | Runka | jelly-home: i used the xfce one here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:43.24 | Cork | apt-cache show libc6 gives me "Version: 2.11.3-4" after an apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:43.40 | Cork | isn't that the vulnerable version? |
| 11:43.56 | Super_Ape | How can I install a Jessie Package on Wheezy? |
| 11:44.54 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys just wanted to know if squeeze has the glibc security issue? |
| 11:45.03 | heurist | dpkg: tell Super_Ape -about wheezy-backports |
| 11:45.09 | Cork | heurist: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 |
| 11:45.16 | Cork | squeeze2.11.3-4vulnerable |
| 11:45.29 | Cork | i'm battling the same problem right now |
| 11:46.18 | Super_Ape | heurist, Thanks buddy, I read it on www about that backports... but If I change the source repositories... after Can i have some problem cause it? |
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| 11:47.41 | heurist | Super_Ape: possible, but much safer to get packages from backports than directly from jessie (with pinning) |
| 11:48.50 | PhoenixSTF | Cork: what about that LTS thing |
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| 11:49.31 | Super_Ape | heurist, I just change the name wheezy for jessie on source list ? |
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| 11:50.01 | Cork | PhoenixSTF: exactly my question too |
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| 11:50.08 | heurist | Super_Ape: you wanting to completely upgrade to jessie? |
| 11:50.16 | PhoenixSTF | Cork: maybe this is it? https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 11:50.18 | Cork | i asked it a few minutes before you joined |
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| 11:50.38 | Cork | ah |
| 11:50.43 | Cork | PhoenixSTF: nice find |
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| 11:50.50 | PhoenixSTF | Cork: you're welcome |
| 11:51.02 | Super_Ape | heurist, no bro, just a package... https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mednafen&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:51.12 | Super_Ape | I using version 0.8x |
| 11:51.16 | Super_Ape | I'd like 0.9x... |
| 11:51.31 | heurist | Super_Ape: then you do not change anything to jessie. |
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| 11:51.38 | Super_Ape | I make the download... and use dpkg -i file.deb |
| 11:51.56 | Super_Ape | but have some dependecies problems and when i use apt-get -f install |
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| 11:52.04 | Super_Ape | it remove mednafen 0.9 |
| 11:52.14 | heurist | dpkg: tell Super_Ape -about ssb |
| 11:52.41 | heurist | ,checkbackport mednafen |
| 11:52.42 | judd | Backporting package mednafen in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtrio-dev (>= 1.16). |
| 11:53.09 | heurist | Super_Ape: looks like it will not be simple to get that working in wheezy. maybe wait for jessie. |
| 11:53.17 | Super_Ape | heurist, sorry, but i'm noob... |
| 11:53.20 | Super_Ape | ah I see. |
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| 11:53.45 | heurist | Super_Ape: this is not noob territory. |
| 11:53.53 | foormea | hi. any rtorrent guru? i can't find a rtorrent chan. i don't understand the "d." given in numerous .rtorrent.rc files (e.g. http://wiki.rtorrent.org/Recipe/Move%20downloaded%20data%20to%20another%20directory%20and%20continue%20seeding ) and i can't find what i'm looking for in the man page of rtorrent |
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| 11:54.19 | Super_Ape | I like adventures... Thanks heurist :D |
| 11:54.22 | lifeofgu_ | http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ does not exist anymore? |
| 11:54.24 | heurist | Super_Ape: so basically, unless there is a backport, or you know what you are doing, you do not get packages from jessie. sorry. |
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| 12:08.09 | oznt | why is apt telling me the following on a 64bit machine? Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file |
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| 12:09.32 | __john_doe__ | exit |
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| 12:10.45 | petn-randall | oznt: Can you show us the full output of 'apt-get update'? |
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| 12:11.22 | petn-randall | oznt: You probably have i386 as foreign architecture set. |
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| 12:12.15 | bazhang | foormea, kmandla has an excellent set of guides on the internet |
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| 12:12.43 | bazhang | kmandla rtorrent will deliver the results you seek |
| 12:12.44 | __john_doe__ | hey guys, just a quick question. can glibc (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-38+deb7u7) 2.13 be exploited with ghost? |
| 12:13.03 | oznt | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/142643/ output of apt-get update |
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| 12:13.46 | petn-randall | __john_doe__: See https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 |
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| 12:13.57 | __john_doe__ | petn-randall: ta |
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| 12:14.16 | petn-randall | oznt: That private repo needs fixing. |
| 12:14.21 | petn-randall | gotta scoot, see you later |
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| 12:47.33 | ws2k3 | is it neccesery to reboot a machine for the ghost bug ? |
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| 12:48.53 | jelly-home | ws2k3: no, but it's the simplest way to make all the running processes and services start using the patched libc6 |
| 12:48.56 | AL13N_work | well, you need to restart all services that depend on glibc, which is everything, so maybe runlevel 1 would do the trick, but it may still have it in use... so it's easier to reboot |
| 12:49.17 | AL13N_work | btw: i just read that only gethostbyname is affected, and not addrinfo |
| 12:49.20 | ws2k3 | jelly-home thanks |
| 12:49.36 | AL13N_work | which means that only older software written without IPv6 in mind is actually vulnerable |
| 12:50.00 | jelly-home | maybe, maybe not |
| 12:50.13 | AL13N_work | iow: exim and sendmail are probably vulnerable, but postfix isn't |
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| 12:50.54 | AL13N_work | jelly-home: while it's true to still use gethostbyname for ipv4 and addrinfo for ipv6 only, that would make no sense whatsoever as coding goes |
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| 12:51.48 | AL13N_work | anyway, writer of postfix said that unless you compile with -NOIPv6 postfix isn't vulnerable since 2005 |
| 12:52.00 | Iridos | dpkg, ghost |
| 12:52.03 | dpkg | Iridos: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:52.16 | Iridos | I am not sure... IS it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:52.50 | jelly-home | if you have the time to check the code of every running process and verify whether it's problematic or not, you won't come in and ask a question like the above one |
| 12:53.11 | jelly-home | so... reboot |
| 12:53.25 | Iridos | has the libc6 package in wheezy already been patched? |
| 12:53.33 | Iridos | or is there any reliable info one can give out? |
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| 12:53.52 | jelly-home | !tell Iridos about cve lookup CVE-2015-0235 |
| 12:53.57 | Anarch | Is there some package that'll output info like "0 packages can be updated.\n0 updates are security updates."? I know both Mint & Ubuntu have ways to output that, but I haven't found it in Debian. |
| 12:54.16 | AL13N_work | jelly-home: sure... of course, but what i mean is that while everyone cries about "ghost", it's actually less vulnerable as the media make it appear to be |
| 12:54.27 | Iridos | jelly-home, I thought more about a specific factoid and/or /topic |
| 12:54.27 | jelly-home | nod. |
| 12:54.31 | Gerben | Anarch, apt-get update / apt-get upgrade |
| 12:54.47 | jelly-home | Iridos: what more specific info do you need? |
| 12:54.48 | Gerben | without -y it will ask you to confirm, which makes you see |
| 12:54.49 | Iridos | because it's quite clearly been a FAQ since yesterday |
| 12:55.19 | Anarch | Gerben: Those carry out *actions* that require root access. I'm seeing the output I described for an unprivileged user, and it's not an action, just a status query. |
| 12:55.47 | jelly-home | Iridos: that doesn't mean we have anything useful to add if the user asks <Iridos> has the libc6 package in wheezy already been patched? |
| 12:56.02 | jelly-home | Iridos: ... other than what's already there |
| 12:56.07 | AL13N_work | Anarch: iinm that info is still for privileged users, just ubuntu has a different idea of a privileged user |
| 12:56.41 | Iridos | jelly-home, people ask all kinds of stuff |
| 12:56.50 | Anarch | AL13N_work: I got the info in a welcome screen when I logged on to an ISP's shell server! That's as unprivileged as it gets. |
| 12:56.56 | Iridos | and there IS a libc6 upgrade for stable since yesterday |
| 12:57.04 | AL13N_work | Anarch: exactly my piont |
| 12:57.16 | AL13N_work | *point |
| 12:57.18 | Iridos | jelly-home, also.. "do I have to reboot" etc. |
| 12:57.20 | jelly-home | Iridos: of course there is, "cve lookup CVE-2015-0235" says so. |
| 12:57.34 | Gerben | Anarch, I would rather not have that functionality, at least not by default. This would mean any regular user would be able to see the security status of my servers. I'd like to keep that my business as an admin.. |
| 12:57.41 | Iridos | *sigh* |
| 12:57.52 | AL13N_work | == Gerben |
| 12:58.13 | AL13N_work | ubuntu probably does some policykit stuff, or whatnot |
| 12:58.21 | znh | for the cve patch. do services require restart? |
| 12:58.22 | AL13N_work | or generate a file with info |
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| 12:58.43 | Iridos | dpkg, ghost is of course there is, "cve lookup CVE-2015-0235" says so. |
| 12:58.44 | dpkg | Iridos: okay |
| 12:58.46 | Gerben | yes, there is a script that generates the /etc/motd. I once added something to that |
| 12:58.58 | Gerben | but forgot, but probably findable on the internet |
| 12:59.03 | TJ- | Anarch: package update-notifier-common; it installs scripts to "/etc/update-motd.d/" |
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| 12:59.23 | jelly-home | znh: most, if not all, your current processes use libc code. The simplest thing to do is reboot |
| 12:59.28 | Anarch | TJ-: Ahh, that sounds like a Clue. |
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| 12:59.30 | aborrero | znh: for the GHOST thing yes |
| 12:59.58 | znh | updating libc6-bin seems to pass ghost test. is it sufficient? |
| 13:00.12 | znh | ^ libc6 actually |
| 13:00.38 | Gerben | znh, I asked here earlier about that. The argument I needed to convince me to reboot was the following command: lsof | grep libc | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq |
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| 13:04.00 | jelly-home | znh: it's sufficent for the test. It's not sufficient for any running processes. |
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| 13:04.17 | znh | ah ok |
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| 13:05.15 | haavard | I have an application that needs gnutls >= 3.0.21 for a certain feature. What's the best approach to installing it without.. breaking things? |
| 13:05.31 | haavard | I'm on wheezy. |
| 13:06.41 | themill | ,v gnutls-bin --release wheezy-backports |
| 13:06.42 | judd | Package: gnutls-bin on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.3.8-4~bpo70+1 |
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| 13:08.25 | haavard | themill: I'll look into backports, thanks! |
| 13:08.25 | heurist | haavard: not to mention wheezy has 3.0.22 which is >= 3.0.21 |
| 13:08.35 | themill | heurist: not quite |
| 13:08.39 | themill | ,v gnutls-bin --release wheezy |
| 13:08.40 | judd | Package: gnutls-bin on i386 -- wheezy: 3.0.22-3+really2.12.20-8+deb7u2 |
| 13:08.51 | haavard | gnutls-bin is just the commandline utilities, not the library |
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| 13:09.15 | heurist | I hate those "really" and epoc versions ): |
| 13:09.17 | jelly-home | dat version |
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| 13:10.17 | themill | haavard: the commandline utilities make use of the library; the library is there too |
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| 13:10.58 | jelly-home | presumably haavard will want to install libgnutls28-dev from backports |
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| 13:11.29 | haavard | jelly-home: that's what I'm thinking right now |
| 13:12.23 | haavard | So why is the version of gnutls-bin 3.0.22 but really 2.12.20? |
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| 13:18.39 | themill | haavard: dealing with CVE-2013-0169 quite late in the release cycle caused the source package providing that particular binary package to be changed. |
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| 13:22.12 | Iridos | dpkg, no, ghost is for current information in Debian, see http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 |
| 13:22.12 | dpkg | okay, Iridos |
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| 13:35.14 | oznt | hi guys, I have some trouble with inittab in debian 7.7 I have started a service on boot with inittab, it seems that with 7.8 there is a new script /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf such that entries from inittab are supposed to be read. However,SV:123456:respawn:/usr/sbin/runsvdir-start in inittab is not activated at boot time. can some one give me an advice here? |
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| 13:39.28 | jelly-home | oznt: which package does /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf belong to? |
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| 13:41.39 | oznt | jelly-home, upstart... this is truly unexpected. |
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| 13:42.08 | oznt | I have installed this system from a an openvz template . |
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| 13:42.40 | Mongo44 | Any tool for Wheezy that converts audio file formats? |
| 13:42.51 | oznt | oznt, i didn't know this template comes with upstart. is debian 7.8 by default with upstart? |
| 13:43.08 | jelly-home | oznt: if your provider requires upstart for some reason, you'll probably have to convert that inittab line into some sort of upstart service definition |
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| 13:43.22 | jelly-home | oznt: no, sysvinit is default |
| 13:43.27 | oznt | jelly-home, I am the provider. |
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| 13:43.42 | jelly-home | oznt: you made the openvz template? |
| 13:43.52 | oznt | I own the root server, but I got some really weired template downloaded from somewhere |
| 13:44.00 | themill | Mongo44: avconv |
| 13:44.09 | oznt | the openvz website links to some |
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| 13:44.37 | Mongo44 | themill cool I will look for it in synaptic. |
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| 13:44.49 | jelly-home | oznt: if they're not hosted on .debian.org, they're probably not official and who knows what's installed there |
| 13:45.07 | themill | Mongo44: it's in libav-tools |
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| 13:46.19 | oznt | jelly-home, this the template I used http://download.openvz.org/template/precreated/debian-7.0-x86_64-minimal.tar.gz |
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| 13:48.13 | Mongo44 | themill, libavc1394-tools? |
| 13:48.43 | oznt | themill, it seems there is no sysvinit anymore with debian wheezy. I can only install upstart ? |
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| 13:49.22 | themill | oznt: I have no idea who screwed up your template. Ask the openvz people... wheezy uses sysvinit and you have to break it pretty badly to use anything else |
| 13:49.25 | ivan-kanis | how can I convert an official CD into a deb http source? |
| 13:49.43 | Guest37414 | hi |
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| 13:50.55 | tpo | ivan-kanis, you can't in a trivial way. Have a look at "apt-cache show apt-mirror". There are other similar tools. |
| 13:51.18 | ivan-kanis | hmm ok |
| 13:51.33 | ivan-kanis | I'll explain what I am trying to do |
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| 13:52.11 | ivan-kanis | I made provisioning scripts that broke horribly with the 7.8 release. I would like to set a local 7.7 mirror that I cant apt-get from. |
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| 13:53.07 | jelly-home | ivan-kanis: you can use snapshot.debian.org wheezy repo with a specific known-good date |
| 13:53.52 | ivan-kanis | thanks guys |
| 13:54.35 | oznt | jelly-home, apt get says: Package sysvinit is not available,... |
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| 13:55.24 | jelly-home | oznt: verify you have a sensible /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy. /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
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| 13:55.36 | oznt | I seriously don't get it, cat /etc/debian_version shows I am on 7.8 and my sources show only wheezy |
| 13:55.53 | oznt | maybe the people who made this image upgrade some things? |
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| 13:59.56 | Mongo44 | How does gtkpod work can I connect any iPod to my computer or just one? |
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| 14:02.02 | Mongo44 | themill, I have libav-tools now how do I use it? |
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| 14:04.51 | themill | Mongo44: avconv has quite a detailed man page |
| 14:05.14 | Mongo44 | Alright thank you. |
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| 14:07.00 | Guest37414 | Why does my Debian Wheezy insist to upgrade the squid3 package to the one from wheezy-backports? |
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| 14:07.15 | Guest37414 | I don't want this. I want to upgrade to packages on backports only when needed, when explicitly stated. |
| 14:07.25 | Guest37414 | And this is the normal behaviour, why is it different for that system? |
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| 14:09.02 | themill | Guest37414: the output of "apt-cache policy squid3; apt-cache policy" might help |
| 14:09.35 | JyZyXEL | how do you create a multi_queue tap device in debian? |
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| 14:11.24 | JyZyXEL | seems that "ip tuntap add dev tap0 mode tap multi_queue" does not quite create it correctly by itself |
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| 14:11.58 | Guest37414 | themill: thanks, I will try it. |
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| 14:23.58 | ocin | how can I see a list of all packages which are installed but not as dependency |
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| 14:26.43 | petn-randall | ocin: 'aptitude search !~M' |
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| 14:31.41 | ivan-kanis | apt-mirror has no documentation. Is there something better documented? |
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| 14:33.12 | ocin | thanks petn-randall, not 100pct what I need but I can figure from here |
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| 14:47.56 | Mongo44 | themill, the man pages for avconv are daunting. |
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| 14:51.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | so, i want to create a .deb from the software package i've developed. |
| 14:51.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | i see there's a dh_make man page. |
| 14:51.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there any comprehensive tutorial for debianizing a package? |
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| 14:51.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | or is that man page all i've got? |
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| 14:56.54 | petn-randall | NoImNotNineVolt: The easiest way is to take a package which is similar, and look how the debianization works there. We also have a channel, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, to help with the first steps of packaging. |
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| 14:58.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | thank you! :) |
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| 15:08.33 | Bartleby | I don't seem to be able to get kvm working. |
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| 15:12.55 | Bartleby | virt-manager gives me "KVM is not available. This may mean the KVM package is not installed, or the KVM kernel modules are not loaded. Your virtual machines may perform poorly." |
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| 15:14.49 | tytan | Hey, guys. Is there a way to find out if my chipset or CPU is broken? |
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| 15:17.28 | DotHack | tytan: just remove the cooler and see if it got cracks :P |
| 15:17.53 | teraflops | ^ |
| 15:18.17 | tytan | lol |
| 15:18.25 | tytan | that was actually funny :D |
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| 15:18.34 | tytan | but I have a serious problem ^^; |
| 15:18.42 | teraflops | Bartleby: is the kvm module loaded? `lsmod | grep kvm` |
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| 15:19.35 | Guest37414 | themill: so I checked the policy and got this: http://pastebin.com/eEW9tDCv |
| 15:19.40 | teraflops | Bartleby: assuming you have a compatible processor and enabled it properly in the bios/whatever |
| 15:19.55 | Guest37414 | themill: so next candidate (for upgrade) would be the backport release, why is that? Can I change this back to default where backport is not upgraded to? |
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| 15:20.46 | themill | Guest37414: you've already upgraded past stable once so apt thinks you should continue to do so |
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| 15:22.21 | Guest37414 | themill: damn, yes, the custom built package (+ssl1) had to be newer than the stable one so it doesn't go back to stable package. |
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| 15:22.49 | Guest37414 | themill: any way I can avoid/fix this? Because this is unnerving as each time it tries to upgrade and when it upgrades ssl stops working and other funny ripple-effects. |
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| 15:27.08 | kWO901 | where should I loog for logs of a cash ? |
| 15:27.59 | Vroomfondel | kWO901: what crashed? |
| 15:28.09 | kWO901 | Vroomfondel: debian system freeze |
| 15:28.21 | Vroomfondel | kWO901: check /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/syslog |
| 15:28.26 | Vroomfondel | you might see something in there, maybe |
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| 15:31.57 | Bartleby | teraflops: Had to enable it in the bios, works fine now. |
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| 15:32.15 | teraflops | Bartleby: nice then ;) |
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| 15:34.16 | kWO901 | Voyager_MP: I have problems opening /var/log/dmesg with leadpad of gedit... only works with nano but i dont know how to copy |
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| 15:37.40 | kWO901 | how to add an app to sudoers? |
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| 15:38.51 | Vroomfondel | kWO901: just run "gksu gedit /var/log/dmesg" from a terminal if you really want to use it in gedit |
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| 15:41.29 | ws2k3 | Hello i wanne fix my glibc but i prefer to not upgrade everything which packages do i exacly need to upgrade ? |
| 15:41.47 | tomodachi | ws2k3: glibc is a library |
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| 15:42.08 | rgr | what do you mean "fix"? |
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| 15:42.54 | ws2k3 | rgr install the updated version of glibc..... tomocha6 can i not chose to only upgrade the libary and its dependencies somehow ? |
| 15:43.17 | ws2k3 | cause if i do a full upgrade it also updates my php and mysql-server i prefer to to do that |
| 15:43.37 | DotHack | tytan: whats youre problem then? |
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| 15:44.04 | tomodachi | ws2k3: most applications use the library glibc if you upgrade glibc restart all applications using it you should be fine I believe |
| 15:44.07 | DotHack | ws2k3: why not? |
| 15:44.24 | kWO901 | Vroomfondel: sudo: gksu: command not found |
| 15:44.25 | rgr | it would be lunacy to update the lib and the apps using that lib. |
| 15:44.30 | rgr | and not* |
| 15:44.37 | DotHack | ws2k3: the stable only contains security updates, its wyse to update all packages in need |
| 15:45.14 | ws2k3 | okay |
| 15:45.14 | DotHack | wyse... thats a terminal type hah |
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| 15:48.16 | Vroomfondel | kWO901: try gksudo |
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| 15:48.57 | kWO901 | Vroomfondel: bash: gksudo: command not found |
| 15:49.20 | Vroomfondel | kWO901: okay, install gksu from the package manager then |
| 15:49.35 | kWO901 | Vroomfondel: what about leafpad |
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| 15:51.04 | damjan | is there an easy way to build a package from source including all the dependencies (I want to backport python3.4 to wheezy) |
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| 15:53.14 | Burps | Hi : I have trouble setting up a dir with setfacl : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/460069 : This dir, created by user1, should be rm-able by user2, who belongs to the same group : permission denied :( |
| 15:53.38 | Burps | well, at least, permission denied on a file INTO the dir |
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| 15:55.48 | Iridos | damjan, in theory... |
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| 15:57.31 | Iridos | there's a packaged script that does it... |
| 15:57.45 | Iridos | but it didn't work so reliably... so I guess the "easy" part isn't too real |
| 15:58.47 | damjan | "packaged"? not the best choice for a name :) |
| 15:59.02 | Iridos | I mean there's a debian package which has it |
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| 15:59.19 | jelly-home | Depends: locusts |
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| 15:59.53 | Iridos | hm, but I think it was kicked out of debian after squeeze |
| 16:00.57 | jelly-home | damjan: so you want to recursively do /msg dpkg ssb ? |
| 16:01.30 | damjan | yes |
| 16:01.39 | Iridos | damjan, there was one in the package "srcinst" |
| 16:01.48 | vimmonkey | Hey there! Looking for a distro for a server, but will allow for some "bleeding edge" software. I'm fine w/ compiling code from source. A lot of times though I find updating some software requires new version of glibc or other libraries. Gives me a bunch of headaches and isn't fun. Does debian still fit the bill? |
| 16:02.10 | Iridos | damjan, there is still apt-src in Debian today... but from package description it doesn't seem to recurse |
| 16:02.32 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: glibc is a bit of an exception. If software needs a newer version, rebuild that piece of software. |
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| 16:02.47 | Iridos | damjan, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=srcinst |
| 16:03.18 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: if your software is a closed source product and you can't rebuild it... run it on the supported platform, not some debian release with old glibc |
| 16:03.29 | Iridos | damjan, it might be some place to start... as far as I recall, it didn't just work out of the box, though... |
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| 16:04.13 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: if it's open source, debian has some semi-supported ways to get newer versions of some software (like backports.debian.org) |
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| 16:06.15 | vimmonkey | jelly-home: thanks, i have to read more on backports. From a stand point of few, one thing I like about arch/gentoo is you generally know a lot with whats going on the system. Configuring it from the ground up. With debiian, when you check out apache for instance, is it pre-configured, or is it more vanilla? |
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| 16:08.02 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: in general, debian tries to provide sane defaults. Some packages, apache included, provide lots of extra stuff, including default and suggested configuration, and extra tools |
| 16:08.43 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: so where it's possible, stuff comes preconfigured |
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| 16:10.03 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: sometimes the changes are large enough that upstream irc channels refuse to provide support or at least roll their eyes |
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| 16:11.09 | vimmonkey | jelly-home: ah thanks. I remember running slackware growing up and i *always* ran into problems where i needed to have some newer versions of software and..oh man usually ended up with a broken system |
| 16:11.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | i remember running slackware growing up also. it scared me away from linux for years :P |
| 16:11.50 | jelly-home | when you need newer versions, it's best to get them the "Debian Way" if possible |
| 16:12.00 | vimmonkey | jelly-home: does debian support having multiple versions of libraries on the same system? |
| 16:12.05 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 16:12.16 | jelly-home | but usually not having multiple versions of dev headers. |
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| 16:12.34 | vimmonkey | dough. lol |
| 16:12.52 | vimmonkey | NoImNotNineVolt: slackware was my first distro <_< lol |
| 16:12.55 | jelly-home | and said multiple versions must have different ABI (and binary package names) |
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| 16:13.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | same here. i still have my slack 3.4 cd that i bought from cheap*bytes. |
| 16:13.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | it was traumatic. |
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| 16:13.47 | jelly-home | so you can have openssl 0.9.8 and 1.0.1 at the same time, but not 1.0.1j and 1.0.1l |
| 16:14.09 | jelly-home | ooh, there's 1.0.2 |
| 16:14.41 | vimmonkey | jelly-home: one example where I would want to go is getting google's V8 engine on the server. I'm sure there's always performance tweeks that I would highly be the "bleeding edge" scenario I would be interested in |
| 16:14.55 | pipl | and I have just switched to slack from jessie ._. |
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| 16:15.44 | vimmonkey | ohâ¦and is there a distro where ssh is enabled by default on boot? I have some coniguratino management tools..not sure if I have to roll up my own live cd for this heh |
| 16:16.24 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: problematic. you might set up containers or chroots or maybe nodejs and v8 have their own management of multiple versions |
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| 16:17.21 | jelly-home | grml.org has a boot option for sshd |
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| 16:19.52 | vimmonkey | jelly-home: you think there is a better distro for my needs? debian sounds pretty promising even if i have to fight a few things.. |
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| 16:20.58 | Mongo44 | Anyone here that can provide the link for bleeding edge Wine that has been horribly packaged for Debian? |
| 16:21.37 | Mongo44 | I remember the address was psy.q or something like that. |
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| 16:23.25 | petn-randall | vimmonkey: Note that "server" and "bleeding-edge" kind of exclude each other. Either you want bleeding-edge to play around with, or well-tested to maintain a high level of robustness and good uptime. |
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| 16:24.02 | vimmonkey | petn-randall: yeah true... |
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| 16:24.59 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: I wouldn't know. You can do all those things in Debian if you need to, it's a good platform. I can abuse the hell of it when needed, but there's lots of domain-specific ways, knowing what to do and what not to do |
| 16:25.35 | vimmonkey | jelly-home: ah ok..will do more reading but you have been VERY helpful, thanks =) |
| 16:26.06 | vimmonkey | (actually got help here compared to #archlinux where people are off topic and asking each other hey did this break for you too?!??! lolâ¦) |
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| 16:28.26 | Mongo44 | I need a good guide for avconv. Any suggestions? |
| 16:28.56 | Vroomfondel | Mongo44: the man page is actually very readable, IIRC |
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| 16:29.36 | Mongo44 | IIRC what does that mean? |
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| 16:30.21 | jelly-home | vimmonkey: this channel is supposed to be focused on tech support. Maybe their main channel is like that and you might have more luck in #archlinux-offtopic |
| 16:30.54 | grayraven | Mongo44: If I Recall Correctly |
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| 16:31.29 | grayraven | Mongo44: or Remember |
| 16:32.47 | vimmonkey | also, as a side noteâ¦there has been reall big push on automated testing (unit,system tests, fuzzboxing, etc.) So imo "bleeding edge" software is going to become more "stable", well at least hopefully. There will always be errors, but using humans to decide if something is stable or not is not the best thing to rely upon. Although, project developers probably aren't testing integration issues with other software.. |
| 16:33.14 | Mongo44 | Along the same topic. Is there any way to download Amazon Prime music to a computer rather than a mobile device? |
| 16:34.14 | vimmonkey | s/project developers/developers |
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| 16:35.20 | Mongo44 | Also how does gtkpod work? Can you use it with only one mp3 player? The way iTunes works for example. |
| 16:36.44 | rgr | try it and see.... |
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| 16:39.05 | petn-randall | vimmonkey: yeah ... I'm going to point out that Debian already uses a lot of automated tests, and fuzzing, etc. But if a bug is found, it still takes a human to fix it, and in the mean time nobody will go ahead and declare it as stable in the mean time. |
| 16:39.39 | jelly-home | there's a #debian-offtopic, too (hint, hint) |
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| 16:44.26 | quazgar | Hi, I wish to change from the not-so-rolling-anymore Mint Debian Edition to Debian testing. Is this as simple as changing my apt sources? |
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| 16:45.19 | jhutchins_wk | quazgar: Since we don't know what mint changes that's a difficult question to answer. |
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| 16:45.37 | jelly-home | quazgar: no. You'll have to reinstall, there's no way for configuration and package differences between two distros to be applied cleanly |
| 16:45.42 | jhutchins_wk | quazgar: The recommended method would be a clean install of stable, then "upgrade" to testing. |
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| 16:46.57 | jhutchins_wk | quazgar: If you need the system on a regular basis for something other than messing with the software, I recommend installing a second copy of stable so you can fall back to that when testing breaks. |
| 16:47.12 | quazgar | thanks, so there's no way to tell "these packages have changed and I want to reinstall them"? That's too bad... |
| 16:48.49 | quazgar | I was really looking forward to a rolling "98%-stable" distro... |
| 16:48.58 | jelly-home | quazgar: it's not just about package installation. Config files may differ and need manual updates, versions on the old distro may be greater than on the new distro, and there is no downgrade |
| 16:49.39 | jelly-home | the only way you can be sure there's no weird stuff left over is to install from scratch |
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| 16:51.27 | quazgar | well, fortunately installing a Debian is easy enough... |
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| 16:52.45 | SQL_ | I just inrolled into a networking class and was wondering what all is recommend to run a sever with debian. |
| 16:52.54 | trewas | quazgar: debian testing by the way is definitely not "rolling" distro until jessie is released |
| 16:53.27 | Uber-Ich | SQL_: google "setting up LAMP stack on debian" |
| 16:53.59 | quazgar | trewas: yes, but only non-rolling during the freeze for the next stable, right? |
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| 16:54.46 | SQL_ | Oh Okay thank you Uber-Ich |
| 16:54.54 | trewas | quazgar: yeah, the freezes can be quite long though |
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| 16:56.01 | quazgar | trewas: Half a year of freeze is not that bad, but do you have any other suggestions for "pretty stable" rolling distros? More than say, Gentoo or similar. |
| 16:57.44 | trewas | quazgar: not really |
| 16:58.13 | Anarch | I use 'dpkg -l libc6|less' to get the current version of lib6, piping into less to work around a misfeature: dpkg compacts the output to current terminal width, which TRUNCATES the version. But the piped output is hard to eyeball-parse. ISTR there's a way to just say "tell me the complete version string of package $foo", but `man dpkg` isn't finding it. Is it some other utility? |
| 16:58.28 | jhutchins_wk | quazgar: Rolling releases are pretty much unstable by definition. |
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| 16:59.16 | petn-randall | Anarch: grep for COLUMNS in man dpkg. |
| 17:00.06 | petn-randall | Anarch: e.g. 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libc6' will give you a nice untruncated list. |
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| 17:01.00 | Anarch | petn-randall: Right, COLUMNS is a shell variable which Bash magically updates to current terminal width; you're right that altering it will give the version untruncated, but it also wraps around the lines, & gives much unwanted output. I just want the full version string. |
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| 17:01.50 | _2_kayleigh-ann | hey |
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| 17:02.26 | Walex | dpkg-query -W -f '${Package}|${Version}\n' .... |
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| 17:03.44 | Walex | Anarch: also most likely for bug impact assessment you want the name and version of the *source* package. |
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| 17:04.08 | Walex | dpkg-query -W -f '${source:Package}|${source:Version}\n' | sort -u |
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| 17:05.02 | maziar | how can i use unalocated space of my lvm partition to create a new partition ? |
| 17:05.35 | petn-randall | Hi maziar, check the man page to 'lvcreate' for details. |
| 17:06.05 | maziar | petn-randall, is there any how to page , that you can show me ? |
| 17:06.07 | jelly-home | maziar: what do you need the new partition for? you can create a new lvm logical volume |
| 17:07.11 | maziar | jelly-home, yes,i need that, my /de |
| 17:07.16 | petn-randall | jelly-home: I'm assuming that is what maziar wants to do, and is just a little fuzzy on the terms used. |
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| 17:07.47 | Anarch | Walex: dpkg-query was the clue I had been looking for, thanks. |
| 17:07.54 | pipl | Walex: +1 |
| 17:08.14 | maziar | jelly-home, my /dev/sda is lvm and 80% of it is unallocated, and i want to use the fee space for new partition |
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| 17:09.27 | jelly-home | maziar: look at the output of "vgs" command, how much free space do you have in the volumge group? |
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| 17:13.36 | maziar | jelly-home, ping |
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| 17:13.58 | maziar | root@srv05-crawler:/# vgs |
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| 17:15.00 | maziar | ikonia, http://pastebin.com/dsHH5qc8 |
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| 17:15.01 | jelly-home | so you have most of it free. You can lvcreate a LV of size up to that 7.23TiB, and use that as a new mount point and filesystem |
| 17:15.11 | maziar | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/dsHH5qc8 |
| 17:15.15 | maziar | jelly-home, yes |
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| 17:15.43 | maziar | jelly-home, i want to use only 7T of it, how should i do that ? |
| 17:16.37 | maziar | jelly-home, !ping |
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| 17:17.03 | rgr | patience is a virtue... :) |
| 17:17.30 | jelly-home | maziar: don't preallocate all that right away unless you're 100% sure you'll only have one more filesystem |
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| 17:18.57 | jelly-home | maziar: lvcreate -L size -n name srv05-crawler-vg will create a /dev/srv05-crawler-vg/name block device. Read the manual for lvcreate or at least look at "lvcreate -h" |
| 17:19.41 | BrowncoatShadow | Hi, quick question. In wheezy, are the standard and rescue isos now the same? The .contents file for both are identical. |
| 17:19.59 | jelly-home | maziar: size can be something like 500M or 7T |
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| 17:20.44 | maziar | jelly-home, look at this : http://pastebin.com/9sK6ueeE |
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| 17:21.35 | jelly-home | maziar: do you have a question about that? |
| 17:21.38 | petn-randall | maziar: What is your question? |
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| 17:22.13 | maziar | jelly-home, yes, if i create new lvm with "lvcreate" does it delete my old partition ? |
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| 17:22.45 | maziar | jelly-home, what is actualy command for doing this ? |
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| 17:23.15 | maziar | jelly-home, "vcreate -L 7T -n lvm-name srv05-crawler-vg" |
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| 17:25.15 | petn-randall | maziar: I think that a lot will become clear if you take the time to look at 'man lvcreate'. If you have specific questions *after* reading it, we'll be happy to help you with that. |
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| 17:26.38 | jelly-home | maziar: the output of command "lsblk" might make some things clearer. Your lvm vg (volume group) uses an existing partition and puts all LVs into that, and that partition won't be changed or deleted |
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| 17:28.35 | maziar | jelly-home, but my question is clear to me, i have 7.3T free space on my lvm and i want to create new partition of7T of it and partition it as /maziar, please help me to find correct command |
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| 17:31.46 | jelly-home | maziar: think of a lvm vg as a set of containers for all the logical volumes that can be created in there |
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| 17:32.31 | jelly-home | maziar: lvcreate |
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| 17:32.39 | kWO901 | can someone see why did my debian crashed recently. http://paste.debian.net/142699/ |
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| 17:32.50 | maziar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.14 | jelly-home | maziar: and use a name that makes sense. if you're going to mount it under /maziar, you might name the LV maziar as well |
| 17:33.15 | DocMAX | can anybody help me making dnsmasq and windows servers dns work together??? |
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| 17:33.43 | DocMAX | i use option server=/mydomain/serverip |
| 17:33.48 | maziar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.58 | DocMAX | which forwards dns lookups to windows server |
| 17:34.15 | jelly-home | maziar: that looks about right |
| 17:34.17 | DocMAX | dhcp is debian |
| 17:34.45 | jelly-home | maziar: but again, you can make a smaller LV now, and extend it later if you need to |
| 17:35.01 | maziar | jelly-home, thank you alot, if you still there please wait, i will test this command on my test server ? |
| 17:35.08 | jelly-home | maziar: so I'd advise against making it full size right away |
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| 17:39.53 | maziar | jelly-home, how should i tell the lvcreate to use only 7T of it ? |
| 17:41.47 | jelly-home | maziar: that's what -L is for |
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| 17:43.43 | petn-randall | kWO901: That is the dmesg output? That'll only show you info from the current boot. You'll need to look in /var/log/kern.log for the previous boot and the crash. |
| 17:43.45 | maziar | jelly-home, no i mean , i should use " -L 7000000mb" or "-L 7T" or what ? |
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| 17:45.15 | jelly-home | maziar: read the manual |
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| 17:45.46 | maziar | jelly-home, i found this http://www.linuceum.com/Server/srvRAIDLV.php , that tell use "7000G" is it ok ? |
| 17:47.40 | kWO901 | petn-randall: ok |
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| 17:47.55 | jelly-home | maziar: you've crossed my annoyance level, please try to understand what the manual says about possible options for -L |
| 17:48.53 | kWO901 | petn-randall: var/log/kern.log seeems empty |
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| 17:49.40 | maziar | jelly-home, thank you |
| 17:49.42 | petn-randall | kWO901: /var/log/kern.log.1? Is it empty, or doesn't it exist? |
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| 17:52.06 | maziar | jelly-home, i create that, now how should i use it ass "/maziar " should i mount it? |
| 17:52.59 | jelly-home | maziar: create a filesystem first, then mount it |
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| 17:53.33 | petn-randall | maziar: You have to create a filesystem first. 'man mke2fs' will explain how to create an ext4 filesystem on it. |
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| 17:53.56 | jelly-home | ext4 might not be the best option for a 7TiB volume |
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| 17:54.44 | maziar | jelly-home, i create the filesystem by using this : "mkfs.ext4 -m 0 /dev/mapper/vg1-maziar" now how should i mount it ? ( which is the best option for 7T ? ) |
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| 17:55.13 | jelly-home | maziar: mount it the usual way? |
| 17:56.35 | maziar | jelly-home, ok , which file system is ? is the best option for 7T |
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| 17:57.32 | jelly-home | maziar: I'd go with xfs if I had experience with it |
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| 17:57.53 | maziar | jelly-home, is it better than ext4 ? |
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| 17:58.23 | kWO901 | petn-randall: I opened with nano and looks empty. could be both |
| 17:59.23 | petn-randall | kWO901: Ah, run 'less /var/log/kern.log'. It'll give you an error if it doesn't exist. |
| 18:00.06 | Mongo44 | I need to convert some Ogg Vorbis audio files into mp3 format. Will avconv do it? |
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| 18:00.25 | jelly-home | maziar: it supposedly is quite a bit better for large filesystems, when configured properly |
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| 18:02.07 | kWO901 | petn-randall: its there i founf it now |
| 18:02.17 | kWO901 | could i upload the content? |
| 18:02.21 | kWO901 | sould |
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| 18:02.53 | petn-randall | kWO901: You can also use tab completion to check if the file exists. Yes, share it on http://paste.debian.net, thanks. |
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| 18:04.01 | jelly-home | maziar: but ext4 has a 16TB limit so 7T is doable, if possibly suboptimal |
| 18:04.46 | maziar | jelly-home, what do you mean? you mean when i want to increase it , i will have a problem ? |
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| 18:05.29 | jelly-home | maziar: you can't extend it past 16TiB |
| 18:05.40 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: ext4 has a file size limit of 16T; the volume limit is 1EB, I thought. |
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| 18:06.47 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure anyone has extensively tested the code for PB or EB sizes, RHEL states an explicit 16TiB limit |
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| 18:06.57 | jelly-home | admittedly that's RHEL 5.10 :-) |
| 18:07.25 | kWO901 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/142709/ |
| 18:07.57 | petn-randall | Somebody tried all filesystems with thin provisioning and ridiculously large block devices. I think quite a few hit some problems, but well beyond fat provisioned block devices can hold. |
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| 18:08.30 | Guest46234 | what is dpkg --path-exclude? |
| 18:08.55 | jelly-home | Guest46234: I personally never heard of it |
| 18:09.17 | Guest46234 | ... |
| 18:09.27 | petn-randall | kWO901: You generally want to look into the last entries before the current boot. 'kernel: [ 0.000000]' means that those log messages were create in second "0" of the kernel start. Look further down in the log file just before you current boot (use the timestamps as your guide). |
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| 18:09.59 | petn-randall | Guest46234: the man page explains it. |
| 18:10.28 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yeah, it's really a theoretical limit. It's possible that it was a limit in that kernel version (32bit maybe?) |
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| 18:11.00 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: dunno; I'm just now getting filesystems approaching 16T. |
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| 18:11.17 | dondelelcaro | (and larger; about $3K for 40T!) |
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| 18:13.50 | sydney | Can any of you recomend a decent 32 GB ssd? |
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| 18:14.11 | sydney | Well, i guess that is a tad offtopic. |
| 18:14.18 | sydney | !offtopic |
| 18:14.18 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:14.27 | ImaamiToinen | So my aptitude has blocked because I ran it in a 2 line high terminal and all I get is [more] and when I press enter or q or ctrl+c nothing happens. |
| 18:14.39 | ImaamiToinen | Any way to clear that? |
| 18:14.54 | petn-randall | sydney: Depends on your budget, use case, and expected life cycle. |
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| 18:15.11 | petn-randall | heads to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 18:19.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | dpkg-source: warning: can't parse dependency dh-virtualenv (>= 0.7) |
| 18:19.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | what does that mean? |
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| 18:19.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | Package: dh-virtualenv \ Status: install ok installed |
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| 18:20.42 | petn-randall | NoImNotNineVolt: Sounds like a typo in dependency declaration. |
| 18:21.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | right, except the alleged |
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| 18:21.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | "typo" is an existing, installed package. |
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| 18:22.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | ha, nm. |
| 18:22.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | forgot the comma :P |
| 18:23.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | thank you for pointing out my idiocy :) |
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| 18:26.09 | jolt | ImaamiToinen: ctrl+l? |
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| 18:27.05 | ImaamiToinen | jolt, what control character exacldy does that send? |
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| 18:27.44 | jolt | ImaamiToinen: it's readline, clear and redraw last line. I dont find anything else that would work |
| 18:28.29 | ImaamiToinen | jolt, nope, just selects the entire line |
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| 18:29.52 | Mongo44 | I am using Sound Juicer is MPEG 3 layer audio the same as mp3? |
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| 18:32.32 | centrx | Mongo44, You mean MPEG Audio Layer 3 ? |
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| 18:33.49 | doorss | hi i have started getting this error error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 18:34.09 | centrx | doorss, What are you running? |
| 18:34.10 | doorss | i uninstalled and reinstall no success, tried to join debian-next but it seems to be invited now |
| 18:34.13 | doorss | jessie |
| 18:34.23 | centrx | #debian-next is a channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:34.32 | doorss | i might have installed the experimental version of curl because some other version needed |
| 18:34.57 | doorss | some other app I installed needed next curl i think |
| 18:34.58 | centrx | I would uninstall whatever you installed and re-install the normal version from the Debian repo for testing/jessie |
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| 18:35.04 | doorss | not sure how to solve it ;( |
| 18:35.12 | centrx | The program is trying to load a library that doesn't exist. |
| 18:35.13 | doorss | hmm you mean curl |
| 18:35.37 | centrx | This does not happen with regular Debian packages, because they bring in the necessary dependencies so the required shared library file is present |
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| 18:36.06 | doorss | centrx: yeah I know, I did -t experimental for a package once but do not know which one it was now has been sometime |
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| 18:36.36 | doorss | installing the repo version of the program does not fix it it still looks for libcurl.so.4 |
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| 18:38.08 | doorss | i purged curl reinstalled etc and deleted from the pc with no success |
| 18:38.40 | centrx | doorss, how about libcurl |
| 18:38.50 | centrx | dpkg -l |grep curl |
| 18:38.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep curl |
| 18:39.10 | doorss | even curl itself complainign about the same error ;( |
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| 18:39.50 | petn-randall | doorss: Sounds like a good question to ask on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:40.01 | doorss | centrx: http://pastie.org/9868911 |
| 18:40.04 | DammitJim | I don't know why all of a sudden when I try to mount a cifs filesystem over the network, I get this: mount error(15): Operation now in progress |
| 18:40.07 | DammitJim | but it never mounts :( |
| 18:40.22 | doorss | petn-randall: ok i will try |
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| 18:42.55 | Cork | anyone know where this package comes from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xvnc4viewer |
| 18:43.04 | Cork | (i need the client for a different distro) |
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| 18:45.06 | MrSunshine | hmm will windows shares be auto"sensed" if they are in fstab ? i have one that automounts but when restarting the windows computer etc will the mount reconnect automaticaly ? =) |
| 18:45.22 | pipl | Cork: apt-cache showsrc xvnc4viewer |
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| 18:47.00 | Cork | pipl: all that says is "vnc4" |
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| 18:50.14 | pipl | Cork: but you already found it in #arch already :) |
| 18:50.29 | Cork | pipl: we're guessing |
| 18:50.32 | Cork | but not sure |
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| 18:55.08 | jhutchins_wk | MrSunshine: Linux usually doesn't handle that well. I'm presuming that you're using cifs? |
| 18:55.23 | MrSunshine | jhutchins_wk: yes cifs |
| 18:55.49 | MrSunshine | i was thinking a cron job or something .. |
| 18:56.04 | jhutchins_wk | MrSunshine: What some people do is set it up with autofs instead of in fstab. That way it mounts it fresh when someone accesses it, and unmounts it when it's idle. Less likely to get caught in a reboot. |
| 18:56.16 | pipl | Cork: in the README of orig.tar.gz it tells VNC Free Edition .... |
| 18:57.29 | Cork | pipl: thx |
| 18:58.17 | Mongo44 | centrx, YEs. |
| 18:58.39 | MrSunshine | jhutchins_wk: hmm |
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| 19:08.56 | kminooie | hi everyone I was wondering if there is a way to see the warnings that were issued during a previous 'apt-get upgrade' I just upgrade to 7.8 and during the kernel upgrade I got some messages about potential drivers that couldn't be found ( as in have moved to a different package ), but forgot to write the name of it. so I am wondering does apt keep a log of those some where? |
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| 19:11.23 | dracc | How do I disable fullscreen vsync on radeon open drivers? :( |
| 19:11.31 | wulllst | hey there. does anyone know of a neat tool fpr (un-)capitalization of text in the debian repositories or otherwise available? |
| 19:11.37 | dracc | I've asked in #radeon but recieved no answers. :( |
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| 19:13.03 | wulllst | ok, got it in libre office. |
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| 19:13.51 | wulllst | but well: there is no intellegient uncaptalization... |
| 19:14.35 | kminooie | wulllst: awk + sed ? |
| 19:15.11 | wulllst | kminooie: ah, ok. that's for clever people then. thanks, i'll have look into that. |
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| 19:21.55 | Beg_ | how do I apt-get install node.js? It executes node.js as regexp and doesnt find the package. |
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| 19:23.13 | kminooie | Beg_: what repo are you using? iirc node.js is not in debian repo |
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| 19:23.35 | Beg_ | I googled it, this time I managed to find it |
| 19:23.42 | jhutchins_wk | Beg_: The package name probably wouldn't have that dot in it. You can use various search tools to find the actual name.\ |
| 19:24.13 | Beg_ | I fixed it |
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| 19:24.44 | bullgard5 | kminooie: Lok in /var/log/apt/term.log if you can find these warnings. - If not, try 'apt-get upgrade again and have a closer look at the screen. |
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| 19:25.17 | bullgard5 | s/Lok/Look/ |
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| 19:26.25 | jhutchins_wk | kminooie: I think the real question is whether anything is not working correctly. A warning might have only been informational. |
| 19:26.40 | kminooie | bullgard5: thanks , that was exactly what I was looking for |
| 19:26.48 | kminooie | this was the line: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 |
| 19:26.51 | jhutchins_wk | kminooie: Do you use any third-party drivers? |
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| 19:27.39 | kminooie | yeah I just need to install firmware-linux-nonfree :D |
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| 19:30.15 | Mongo44 | Major setback the gtkpod wiki says that gtkpod only works with jailbroken iPods. Any way to jailbreak an iPod with Wheezy? |
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| 19:34.14 | ravioli | looking for a program i can run on debian that will take a video file and output those thumbnail-screenshot index sheets that have all the technical info about the video format and audio and length and size of the file and etc. etc. |
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| 19:37.31 | nebbia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.31 | nebbia | <nebbia> hi everyone, is there a free software alternative for dropbox ? |
| 19:37.45 | ravioli | nebbia: owncloud |
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| 19:38.47 | kminooie | ravioli: have you looked in ffmpeg? i think it can give you the raw data |
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| 19:41.15 | pipl | kminooie: but ffmpeg won't generate thumnail-screenshot index sheets. |
| 19:41.58 | ravioli | yeah, it looks like that only does individual thumbnail images |
| 19:41.58 | nebbia | thank you very much ravioli ! |
| 19:42.01 | ravioli | np nebbia |
| 19:42.08 | ravioli | it's weird, because i see these index sheets a LOT on the internet |
| 19:42.13 | ravioli | and i can't find anything to make them |
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| 19:42.17 | ravioli | despite lots and lots of googling |
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| 19:42.26 | ravioli | i figured it'd be something that's commonplace |
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| 19:48.13 | Mongo44 | Is there an open source text messaging application? |
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| 19:48.26 | teraflops | nebbia: alo seafile |
| 19:48.29 | teraflops | also* |
| 19:48.49 | Mongo44 | To set up a phone number and message other phones. |
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| 19:49.59 | pipl | ravioli: you should scan the package list returned by 'apt-cache search your-keywords'. Otherwise there is sheetmaker but it is not in debian repositories. |
| 19:50.14 | rainfyre | has debian patched that glibc vuln? |
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| 19:51.37 | pipl | rainfyre: according to debian.org, there are still no patches for it up to date. |
| 19:51.58 | rainfyre | thank you pip |
| 19:52.09 | rainfyre | sounds like it's a bit overhyped anyway |
| 19:53.16 | ravioli | pipl: Found something |
| 19:53.23 | jelly-home | rainfyre: yes, it has |
| 19:53.32 | pipl | rainfyre: there has been a patch for eglibc DSA-3142. |
| 19:53.35 | jelly-home | !ghost |
| 19:53.36 | dpkg | [ghost] for current information in Debian, see http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 |
| 19:53.38 | ravioli | http://p.outlyer.net/vcs/ Not in apt-get, unfortunately. But it's a bash script. |
| 19:53.46 | jelly-home | pipl: ^^ |
| 19:53.52 | rainfyre | thanks jelly-home, just saw the same thing |
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| 19:54.18 | pipl | rainfyre: my bad. |
| 19:54.24 | rainfyre | lol no worries bro |
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| 19:54.29 | rainfyre | i trust debian |
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| 19:55.29 | trysten | what traditionally manages the /media dir? i just installed debian and started to edit fstab before i remembered we had auto-mounting now. |
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| 19:56.48 | sidao | udev? |
| 19:57.25 | tremon | I don't think "traditionally" applies to /media. But on most systems it's probably managed by gvfs and udisks |
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| 19:58.01 | sidao | is the /media dir the default dir where debian mounts external drives like USBs, phones and HDs? |
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| 19:58.46 | tremon | yes |
| 19:58.51 | trysten | tremon, thank you. |
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| 19:59.22 | trysten | sidao: well, sort of. 'debian' doesn't do the mounting per se. we need a specific program |
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| 20:12.28 | dv0rak | Hi! When I am using fdisk -l I don't get any output. Is this normal? if not, can anybody tell me please why this would happen? |
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| 20:13.22 | mtn | dv0rak: you need to do that as root |
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| 20:19.58 | acz32 | does anyone know of a good screen recording software for debian? |
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| 20:25.13 | module000 | acz32: there are a few, but VLC is what I use |
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| 20:26.33 | acz32 | module000: vlc does it? cool |
| 20:26.37 | pipl | acz32: xvidcap is another option. |
| 20:26.55 | module000 | acz32: it doesn't have fancy options like only a portion of the screen, it's very bare-bones, but it does the trick |
| 20:27.12 | acz32 | i'll check out both of those options |
| 20:27.42 | acz32 | what format is best if i want to record for a while with as small an output file as possible? |
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| 20:28.07 | module000 | acz32: i would use raw, then use some other video editing software to edit and finally encode to a nice format |
| 20:28.55 | acz32 | ok |
| 20:29.15 | module000 | acz32: along with vlc/xvidcap, there is "krut" also which works on every platform (java application) |
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| 20:31.38 | acz32 | xvidcap and krut don't seem to be in the debian repos |
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| 20:36.26 | dv0rak | Hi! I am trying to run fsck on a sd card plugged in my machine through an USB card reader. I am using fdisk to detect it, but when I run fsck on it, I keep getting the warning saying that it is mounted, even after a fresh restart. Could anybody please tell me how can I unmount that /dev/mmcblk0p2 partition? |
| 20:37.41 | dv0rak | the command mount does not list that particular partition |
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| 20:38.59 | frostschutz | dv0rak, is it in /proc/mounts? |
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| 20:40.25 | sidao | "cat /proc/mounts" shows a strange help message to fsck command |
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| 20:40.32 | TheMissingBit | is there any way to "convert" |
| 20:40.35 | TheMissingBit | a debian wheezy to sid install |
| 20:40.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | any makefile magicians here? |
| 20:40.36 | dv0rak | frostschutz: how can I check? |
| 20:40.41 | TheMissingBit | I want to use a newer kernel |
| 20:41.09 | towo` | TheMissingBit, you don't need sid for a newer kernel |
| 20:41.18 | TheMissingBit | towo`, newer everything really |
| 20:41.21 | TheMissingBit | towo`, but go on. |
| 20:41.27 | TheMissingBit | I'm on 3.2 |
| 20:41.29 | TheMissingBit | quite dated. |
| 20:41.34 | towo` | TheMissingBit, and if you must ask, how to upgrade to sid, sid is not for you |
| 20:41.40 | TheMissingBit | towo`, ... |
| 20:41.41 | dv0rak | frostschutz: cat /proc/mounts shows the same thing as the mount command - my partition is missing from there |
| 20:41.43 | TheMissingBit | just tell me |
| 20:41.45 | towo` | TheMissingBit, use backports |
| 20:41.49 | dv0rak | and it does not contain the word fsck |
| 20:41.50 | towo` | there is 3.16.x |
| 20:42.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | i tried getting a newer kernel for wheezy. and then dkms punched me in the face. |
| 20:42.29 | sidao | the problems must be in udev |
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| 20:42.46 | tremon | dv0rak: is the sd card write-protected? |
| 20:42.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | though in debian's defense, i really have no idea what i'm doing. |
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| 20:43.25 | mtn | TheMissingBit: easy to research yourself and you will have to get used to researching things if you run unstable |
| 20:43.44 | dv0rak | tremon: I don't think so, I managed to mount it and navigate through its files. I'll try to write something to it, hold on... |
| 20:43.45 | TheMissingBit | mtn, I'm used to researching things in general |
| 20:43.49 | TheMissingBit | been using debian stable for years now |
| 20:43.55 | mtn | TheMissingBit: good, it will be easy for you then |
| 20:43.56 | TheMissingBit | never tried SID before. |
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| 20:45.01 | sidao | everytime I tried to update a stable debian to sid I always got fucked with APT |
| 20:45.07 | sidao | a lot of conflicts |
| 20:45.27 | sidao | and in the end I ended up with an unusable system |
| 20:45.34 | sidao | why does this happen? |
| 20:45.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | i tried to run a newer kernel (i think for docker?) and it was so painful that i formatted and installed ubuntu. |
| 20:45.48 | mtn | sidao: never had a problem when I did it, but I did it with a minimal system and then installed the googies |
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| 20:46.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | of course, now i'm stuck with ubuntu though. just can't win :P |
| 20:46.15 | TheMissingBit | ok |
| 20:46.28 | TheMissingBit | mtn, towo` I have 3.16 installing from backports + headers |
| 20:46.36 | sander^home | Hi. How do I see the date of when a .deb package was created from a mirror? |
| 20:46.38 | TheMissingBit | just incase I have to re-run the installer for FLRGX |
| 20:46.40 | dv0rak | tremon: I managed to write to the card while being a regular user with no problems. so I guess it is not write protected. |
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| 20:46.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | make sure you get the kernel and the headers at the same time. |
| 20:46.47 | TheMissingBit | I am |
| 20:46.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | TheMissingBit: i remember that being painful as well. |
| 20:46.59 | sidao | mtn: well, I did it with a xfce dist and just put the sid repo in sources.list and done a apt update and upgrade |
| 20:47.00 | TheMissingBit | Does anyone know how to make lxde less ugly? |
| 20:47.05 | towo` | TheMissingBit, the installer for fglrx is the badest idea you can have in debian |
| 20:47.15 | TheMissingBit | towo`, the AMD one |
| 20:47.16 | mtn | sidao: upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:47.24 | towo` | TheMissingBit, i know |
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| 20:47.31 | towo` | it's not supportet |
| 20:47.34 | sidao | mtn: the two, first a upgrade and then a dist-upgrade |
| 20:47.40 | dv0rak | if I try to run sudo fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2 I get /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted. e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. |
| 20:47.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | i got docker working, but virtualbox and fglrx both died due to dkms issues. |
| 20:47.47 | towo` | debian has clean packages for fglrx |
| 20:47.52 | TheMissingBit | towo`, you realize it is supported on debian and debian derivatives just fine... |
| 20:47.53 | TheMissingBit | right? |
| 20:47.56 | TheMissingBit | the official drivers |
| 20:47.58 | sander^home | Preparing to replace libglib2.0-0 2.12.4-2 (using .../libglib2.0-0_2.12.4-2+etch1_i386.deb) ... <-- Does that mean glibc is patched on my old etch machine? |
| 20:48.02 | dv0rak | even though, again, mount does not specify my drive. |
| 20:48.13 | towo` | TheMissingBit, it's not supportet by debian |
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| 20:48.20 | TheMissingBit | towo`, so |
| 20:48.21 | TheMissingBit | ? |
| 20:48.27 | towo` | TheMissingBit, that's why debian has clean packages |
| 20:48.35 | TheMissingBit | Debian has very strong views on opensource |
| 20:49.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay, why isn't "%" working right in my makefile? |
| 20:49.33 | TheMissingBit | seriously though |
| 20:49.37 | sidao | sander^home: yes, by what I know, dpkg is replacing the current package with a newer package |
| 20:49.38 | TheMissingBit | how do you make lxde less ugly... |
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| 20:49.58 | tremon | dv0rak: ok. Just making sure fsck wasn't giving you the wrong error message. Not sure why fsck keeps claiming it's mounted then, but I have never used mmcblk devices |
| 20:50.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | rule: "src/messages/%_pb2.py: pb_messages/%.proto" |
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| 20:50.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'src/messages/Scoring_pb2.py', needed by 'protobuf-code'. Stop. |
| 20:50.35 | tremon | dv0rak: I assume you're tried the obvious umount /dev/mmcblk0p2? |
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| 20:51.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | any ideas? is make being stupid, or am i an idiot? |
| 20:51.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | would guess the latter |
| 20:52.04 | rebauld | dv0rak: what is in /etc/mtab |
| 20:52.25 | sander^home | sidao, how do I know i'm patched? |
| 20:52.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | really? nobody knows how to write a makefile? |
| 20:52.56 | dv0rak | from what I have understood umount is supposed to unmount a filesystem by having specified its mount point, not its location in /dev. I tried it and it gave me the error: umount: it seems /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted multiple times I'll reboot and try again. |
| 20:53.15 | damjan | sander^home: libglib2.0 is not glibc |
| 20:53.50 | damjan | sander^home: I wonder if etch is even updated any more, and was it even vulnerable |
| 20:54.02 | sidao | sander^home: it depends on what software it is. If it has a command, just try something like "<command> --version" |
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| 20:54.25 | sidao | sander^home: but, dont worry, dpkg knows how to patch and properly updates everything |
| 20:54.27 | rebauld | umount checks the 'definition' of the mount in /etc/fstab - it isn't a magic app |
| 20:54.33 | axel_fly | anybody knows when gnome-software package will be finished and put in testing? i installed from sid ... but it is showing only gnome apps |
| 20:55.07 | sidao | NoImNotNineVolt: the GNU Make manual:https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/ is a good start |
| 20:55.08 | axel_fly | love gnome on debian! |
| 20:55.13 | mtn | axel_fly: this might help: https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 20:55.16 | axel_fly | and gfortran :D |
| 20:55.23 | sidao | NoImNotNineVolt: yes, it's long, but it worth the reading |
| 20:55.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | sidao: and is my usage of the percent wildcard thing not consistent with the documentation for gnu make? |
| 20:55.48 | dv0rak | the issue seemed to have worked itself out after another restart... not sure what happened, but fdisk works now. Will come back if it does this again. |
| 20:56.04 | rebauld | NoImNotNineVolt: check out #workingset |
| 20:56.20 | rebauld | dv0rak: you did it |
| 20:56.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | rebauld: thank you. |
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| 20:57.02 | sidao | NoImNotNineVol: https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Wildcard-Function.html |
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| 20:57.30 | dv0rak | I'm not really sure what happened, I have restarted the device before, but it still appeared mounted to fsck. |
| 20:57.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | sidao: not the wildcard function. the percent thing. |
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| 20:58.09 | sidao | NoImNotNineVol: well, sorry, it's beyond my knowledge, but it was good to help |
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| 20:58.37 | axel_fly | mtn: thx |
| 20:59.17 | trysten | i'm having newb problems. i need to mount a disk so my user has permission to access it. the folder is owned by user before root mounts device but the root takes owership and changes permissions. |
| 20:59.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | i appreciate the attempt. |
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| 21:00.19 | towo` | trysten, which fs is on the disck? |
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| 21:00.28 | trysten | ntfs |
| 21:00.46 | towo` | use umask=0 as mountoption |
| 21:00.48 | trysten | root can read it just fine. i can't get user the necessary permissions |
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| 21:01.39 | towo` | [22:00:46] <towo`> use umask=0 as mountoption |
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| 21:01.55 | rebauld | trysten: what is you /etc/fstab line for it |
| 21:02.07 | Castaneda | greetings! anyone knows how to install NS2 through gdebi? |
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| 21:02.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | ampsix: if we join forces we can be 54W |
| 21:03.09 | trysten | rebauld: it was just rw,user |
| 21:03.09 | trysten | towo`: thanks! |
| 21:03.09 | trysten | so, why did i have to do this? because it was being mounted read-only i could not change permissions? so i have to act as root? |
| 21:03.35 | ampsix | NoImNotNineVolt: >:) |
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| 21:04.34 | towo` | trysten, ntfs does not know linux-permisions |
| 21:04.43 | towo` | trysten, it's a windoes fs |
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| 21:05.44 | rebauld | add ,exec |
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| 21:06.49 | rebauld | trysten: where did you say it was an ntfs partition you need ntfs-3g to mount an ntfs drive rw - mount only does it r |
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| 21:09.36 | RoyK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9924008/ <-- anyone that knows what 'depth' means about the NCQ? and the AA after it? |
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| 21:10.05 | towo` | rebauld, mount.ntfs is only a symlink to mount.ntfs-3g |
| 21:10.26 | towo` | rebauld, so ntfs-3g is always used, if ntfs-3g is installed |
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| 21:11.56 | trysten | looks like it's not installed on my system |
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| 21:14.12 | rebauld | you mean mount.ntfs-3g is a link to ntfs-3g not what you said |
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| 21:15.25 | towo` | rebauld, no, i meant, what i say |
| 21:15.27 | towo` | towo:Defiant> ls -ld `which mount.ntfs` |
| 21:15.28 | towo` | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 9 21:21 /sbin/mount.ntfs -> mount.ntfs-3g |
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| 21:16.08 | towo` | so it doesn't matter, if there is ntfs or ntfs-3g in fstab, as long ntfs-3g is installed |
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| 21:17.55 | rebauld | towo`: maybe you should check what mount.ntfs-3g is a link to |
| 21:18.31 | rebauld | there can never be an mount.ntfs-3g unless ntfs-3g is installed |
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| 21:25.18 | nebbia | hi everyone, what's the function of chroot ? i can't understand |
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| 21:25.48 | rebauld | nebbia: it just 'redefines' what the top most / is |
| 21:25.51 | trysten | nebbia: it's one of the coolest commands. it changes where the shell you are using considers root |
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| 21:26.18 | RoyK | hrmf. seems one four of eight ports actually support NCQ |
| 21:26.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | chroot is awesome. |
| 21:26.21 | nkuttler | nebbia: you can mount another os, chroot into it, and basically use it |
| 21:26.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | not quite as awesome as cgroups |
| 21:26.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | or lxc |
| 21:26.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | but still quite awesome. |
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| 21:27.02 | nebbia | ahhh now i understand!!! Cool |
| 21:27.10 | nebbia | what are lxc and cgroups ?? |
| 21:27.17 | valdyn | apples and oranges |
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| 21:27.43 | valdyn | nebbia: google it, its 3 totally different things |
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| 21:27.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | nebbia: it's complicated :P |
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| 21:28.06 | sander^home | sidao, do I need to reboot my machine after upgrading glibc? |
| 21:28.17 | valdyn | sander^home: no |
| 21:28.22 | sidao | no |
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| 21:28.30 | sander^home | restart bind? |
| 21:28.37 | valdyn | sander^home: no |
| 21:28.43 | sander^home | Ok, thanks:) |
| 21:28.44 | dym | Hey! Is anyone around that's has successfully setup an ALIX board installing debian on a CF card? |
| 21:29.06 | RoyK | and restart whatever daemons that uses libc :P |
| 21:29.11 | RoyK | meaning everything |
| 21:29.17 | RoyK | a reboot is a quick fix |
| 21:29.38 | valdyn | sander^home: only programs started *after* the new glibc was installed will use the new glibc, that is all |
| 21:29.45 | RoyK | that is - any daemon doing reverse lookups |
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| 21:30.16 | sander^home | valdyn, means I need to restart named. |
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| 21:30.45 | valdyn | sander^home: if you're assuming that bind needs the fix, yes, of course |
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| 21:31.02 | sander^home | valdyn, which services is affected? |
| 21:31.03 | RoyK | valdyn: if this is GHOST, it does |
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| 21:31.22 | RoyK | full reboot is safe |
| 21:31.23 | valdyn | sander^home: i dont know what you are talking about, you just asked a generic question, I answered generically |
| 21:31.51 | sander^home | http://www.zdnet.com/article/critical-linux-security-hole-found/ |
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| 21:32.01 | sander^home | RoyK, yes, its ghost. |
| 21:32.01 | valdyn | sander^home: yea, i know... |
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| 21:32.18 | valdyn | sander^home: rebooting is easy.... and needs to particular knowledge |
| 21:32.20 | RoyK | sander^home: I've rebooted my boxes |
| 21:32.21 | nkuttler | sander^home: just reboot |
| 21:32.34 | valdyn | s/to/no/ |
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| 21:33.26 | RoyK | some 250 servers at work had a reboot :P |
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| 21:35.19 | valdyn | is bind even affected by this? |
| 21:35.50 | RoyK | valdyn: may be - it uses reverse lookups, which can be mangled with |
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| 21:36.00 | tremon | valdyn: probably not. There's little reason for bind to use glibc for its name lookups |
| 21:36.10 | valdyn | tremon: what im thinking |
| 21:36.12 | RoyK | good point |
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| 21:36.28 | RoyK | a reboot doesn't take too long, though :P |
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| 21:36.51 | valdyn | sander^home: of course bind may be affected, but typically your mail server will definitely be affected, if youre running one |
| 21:36.59 | RoyK | perhaps 5 minutes if running on bare metal with slow BIOSes |
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| 21:37.18 | RoyK | exim has a bad one there |
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| 21:38.14 | hji | For some reason my speakers and headphone play music at the same time |
| 21:38.34 | valdyn | hji: is that 2 different soundcards? |
| 21:38.43 | hji | Where do i change the configuration for the jacks i forgot which files it was :( |
| 21:38.43 | valdyn | hji: like uh, usb headset? |
| 21:38.57 | hji | valdyn: normal headpones and a dell laptop |
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| 21:39.37 | tremon | hji: alsamixer? |
| 21:39.43 | hji | tremon: yes |
| 21:39.58 | hji | tremon: but it mutes both speakers and headpone at the same time |
| 21:40.04 | hji | Like its the same jack |
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| 21:40.55 | hji | There is a dictonary with files you could change how the jacks should behave, but ofc i forgot where they are and the name :( |
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| 21:41.36 | tremon | hji: don't know about that. alsamixer doesn't show them as separate sliders? |
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| 21:41.49 | MikhailSakarov | Jessie is love, Jessie is life. |
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| 21:42.25 | hji | tremon: yes they are seperate sliders, but it it controls them really weird :( |
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| 21:50.00 | sander^home | valdyn, other services? |
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| 21:50.38 | sander^home | valdyn, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q1/283 |
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| 21:51.00 | sander^home | but to the best of our knowledge, |
| 21:51.01 | sander^home | the buffer overflow cannot be triggered in any of them: apache, cups, dovecot, gnupg, isc-dhcp, lighttpd, mariadb/mysql, |
| 21:51.01 | sander^home | nfs-utils, nginx, nodejs, openldap, openssh, postfix, proftpd, |
| 21:51.01 | sander^home | pure-ftpd, rsyslog, samba, sendmail, sysklogd, syslog-ng, tcp_wrappers, |
| 21:51.01 | sander^home | vsftpd, xinetd. |
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| 21:51.10 | sander^home | sorry |
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| 21:51.57 | rebauld | sander^home: no thanks - good to know |
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| 21:52.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's good newsw. |
| 21:52.15 | rebauld | no, thanks ;) |
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| 21:52.55 | sander^home | question is. which other services is affected? |
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| 21:53.58 | rebauld | bind |
| 21:54.12 | sander^home | Yep. Other ones? |
| 21:54.14 | rebauld | (as usual) |
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| 21:54.29 | rebauld | anything that uses /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:54.53 | rebauld | looks like only glibc-2.2? |
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| 21:55.04 | sander^home | openvpn? |
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| 21:59.08 | sander^home | Can someone check if glibc is patched in debian etch? |
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| 21:59.20 | nkuttler | etch? wat? |
| 21:59.28 | nkuttler | etch has been dead for how many years? |
| 21:59.31 | nkuttler | !etch |
| 21:59.31 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 21:59.36 | nkuttler | five |
| 21:59.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | i remember etch. |
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| 21:59.53 | sander^home | I know. But I need to know. |
| 22:00.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | "patched"? for what? |
| 22:00.10 | nkuttler | sander^home: unlikely, but maybe it wasn't affected |
| 22:00.20 | sander^home | nkuttler, its affected. |
| 22:00.23 | nkuttler | sander^home: there is this ghost.c you can compile for a quick check |
| 22:00.49 | nkuttler | sander^home: you don't have etch boxes on any public networks, do you? |
| 22:00.59 | jhutchins_wk | sander^home: Yes, the patch for the vulnerability announced yesterday has been released. |
| 22:01.02 | sander^home | Preparing to replace libglib2.0-0 2.12.4-2 (using .../libglib2.0-0_2.12.4-2+etch1_i386.deb) |
| 22:01.09 | damjan | sander^home: libglib2.0 is not glibc |
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| 22:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | sander^home: Hm, for etch though. etch is EOL. |
| 22:03.37 | kWO901 | Can anyone figure out why did my debian crash/.? http://paste.debian.net/142709/ |
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| 22:04.59 | nkuttler | kWO901: if you rebooted at Jan 25 17:36:36 there doesn't seem to be anything relevant logged |
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| 22:05.32 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: I see no evidence of a crash. |
| 22:05.35 | kWO901 | nkuttler: where should i look for relevant logs then/? |
| 22:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 22:06.05 | thewanderer_ | I have an issue where a DKMS module fails to build with error (from the C compiler): unrecognized command line option '-fno-aggressive-loop-optimizations'... however, I have exported CC=gcc-4.9 and calling `cc --version` produces GCC 4.9 on my system |
| 22:06.14 | kWO901 | jhutchins_wk: it crashes quite often lately. just a few minutes back i was watching a video on facebook and it crashed |
| 22:06.39 | kWO901 | basically its freezing and nothing responds no more |
| 22:06.53 | thewanderer_ | how can I establish whether DKMS is trying to use the right compiler version? I'm on 3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 btw. |
| 22:07.43 | sander^home | jhutchins_wk, I know. but dosnt take that much time to patch even old distros like this for very important security fixes. |
| 22:07.54 | nkuttler | kWO901: no ecc memory? |
| 22:08.04 | nkuttler | kWO901: cpu overheating? |
| 22:08.09 | jhutchins_wk | sander^home: There comes a point where no new updates are published. Etch has reached that point. |
| 22:08.20 | kWO901 | nkuttler: not at all |
| 22:08.20 | nkuttler | though the latter should log something i guess |
| 22:08.33 | jhutchins_wk | sander^home: If you want to continue running it, you have to take the responsibility for following the CVEs and applying patches yourself. |
| 22:08.50 | kWO901 | nkuttler: I have plent of unused ram and cpu doesnt heat at all |
| 22:09.43 | nkuttler | kWO901: anyway, when a box just freezes randomly, it's usually a hardware problem. though it could be a kernel bug as well i guess |
| 22:10.01 | mtn | kWO901: if it is your screen locking up, you could look at video drivers |
| 22:10.13 | rebauld | sander^home: at least move to squeeze-tls ;) |
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| 22:10.38 | sander^home | Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (using .../libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1_i386.deb) ... |
| 22:10.45 | rebauld | kWO901: check your power supply first |
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| 22:11.03 | thewanderer_ | could anyone running linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 tell me what it was compiled with please? which GCC version? |
| 22:11.06 | nkuttler | sander^home: that's probably for some security upgrade from 2010... |
| 22:11.27 | sander^home | rebauld, jhutchins_wk, damjan, nkuttler: wondring if this fixed it or not. |
| 22:11.31 | kWO901 | I see |
| 22:11.36 | rebauld | nkuttler: that might have the bug fix that might do this one |
| 22:11.37 | sander^home | NoImNotNineVolt, for the ghost vulnerability in glibc. |
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| 22:11.59 | rebauld | sander^home: let us know - get the ghost.c |
| 22:12.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | sander^home: why would a release that's been out of support for years be patched agianst a vuln that wasn't discovered until after support ended? |
| 22:12.22 | kWO901 | but do you thing logs cant tell what the error was |
| 22:12.35 | nkuttler | http://archive.debian.net/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.3.6.ds1-13etch10/changelog |
| 22:12.50 | rebauld | NoImNotNineVolt: read the url from his first post - it might be |
| 22:12.51 | tremon | thewanderer_: jessie or -backports? Jessie's 3.16.0-4-amd64 is compiled with gcc (Debian 4.8.3-16) |
| 22:13.09 | nkuttler | sander^home: well, what's the apt-cache policy for that package, and check the changelog in /usr/share/doc |
| 22:13.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | i read his earlier post about ghost, it was interesting. |
| 22:13.35 | nkuttler | NoImNotNineVolt: he might use some third party repo, who knows |
| 22:13.38 | rebauld | yea it said that the bug might have been fixed from another bug fix |
| 22:14.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh. not that one. |
| 22:14.20 | Phyliares | is it a joke? |
| 22:14.21 | damjan | wow, basically sander^home your system hasn't been updated since 2008 |
| 22:14.37 | damjan | 2 0 0 8 |
| 22:14.55 | nkuttler | sander^home: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/01/27/9 here's the test programm you can build, under case studies.. |
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| 22:17.19 | jhutchins_wk | sander^home: Do a search combinind "debian" and the CVE, and possibly "etch", and see what you find. |
| 22:17.48 | kWO901 | rebauld: mtn nkuttler jhutchins_wk about my crash, where should I look for relevant logs? |
| 22:18.15 | nkuttler | kWO901: you checked the right log |
| 22:18.16 | mtn | kWO901: does it actually crash (turn off) or does it just lock up the screen? |
| 22:18.34 | kWO901 | mtn: lock up screen. |
| 22:18.40 | nkuttler | oh... |
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| 22:18.57 | mtn | kWO901: check out the debian wiki section on your graphics card |
| 22:19.19 | nkuttler | kWO901: and see if you can ssh in restart your display manager |
| 22:21.11 | kWO901 | mtn: nkuttler so I should install again the graphic card? |
| 22:21.16 | kWO901 | driver |
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| 22:21.33 | mtn | kWO901: depends, maybe there is a better driver for your card. go read the wiki |
| 22:21.49 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: Narrow down the circumstances that cause the crash. There are a lot of elements involved in watching a youtube video - GUI, Desktop Environment, Browser, Flash Pluggin, Flash, networking, CPU, GPU, RAM, Disk IO. |
| 22:21.50 | kWO901 | mtn: this wiki, right? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:22.03 | mtn | kWO901: if you have nvidia, yes |
| 22:22.39 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: Try downloading the video. Does it download cleanly? Does it play cleanly from a local copy? |
| 22:22.52 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: There's plenty of bad/corrupt video out there that can freeze a system. |
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| 22:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: Try leaving it for a while. Is this a temporary hang for a couple of minutes, or is it really a permanent freeze. |
| 22:24.04 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: WHat happens if you use Google Chrome instead of iceweasel? |
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| 22:25.20 | kWO901 | jhutchins_wk: chrome is what i use. and i just played the same facebook video again several times now. everything is fine. |
| 22:25.27 | kWO901 | so maybe it was just a coincidence |
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| 22:25.48 | kWO901 | that the crash occured while playing video. other times occurs randomly |
| 22:25.58 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: Like I said, there are a lot of things involved in a video. |
| 22:26.15 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: You can try an extended run of memtest86 to see if it's hardware. |
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| 22:27.13 | kWO901 | jhutchins_wk: extended run of memtest86? how |
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| 22:27.51 | teraflops | more passes |
| 22:28.50 | rebauld | check your temp |
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| 22:30.25 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: extended like an hour or more. |
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| 22:31.09 | kWO901 | jhutchins_wk: should i run a memory test of one hour or more and see if the crash occurs? |
| 22:31.35 | MikhailSakarov | Jessie is gonna be my gf for a few years |
| 22:31.55 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: That's just one of many things you could do. |
| 22:32.15 | kWO901 | jhutchins_wk: ok ill try it thx |
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| 22:33.03 | kWO901 | jhutchins_wk: btw im using about 600mb ram out of 4gb |
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| 22:33.15 | sander^home | nkuttler, apt-cache policy gives me: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1.. and /usr/share/doc is from 2010 |
| 22:33.29 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: It's not about how much you use, it's about hitting that bad sector. |
| 22:33.38 | kWO901 | oh ok |
| 22:33.44 | nkuttler | sander^home: not surprising |
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| 22:34.02 | nkuttler | sander^home: paste.debian.net the output though |
| 22:34.04 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: memtest86 is the kind of thing you can just leave running when you're done with the system for the night. |
| 22:34.40 | kWO901 | jhutchins_wk: and if it crashes it means what? |
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| 22:35.19 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: Probably you have bad RAM, but hopefully it'll give you some information about where the problem is (if there is one). |
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| 22:35.40 | kWO901 | i see |
| 22:35.45 | jhutchins_wk | kWO901: It's not the kind of program you sit and watch. Start it and do somethng else, come back later. |
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| 22:36.14 | jhutchins_wk | (I always tend to hover over it because I want the answer NOW!) |
| 22:36.19 | sander^home | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/142776/ |
| 22:36.42 | nkuttler | sander^home: yeah, no, that hasn't been updated in five years |
| 22:37.55 | sander^home | nkuttler, ok. |
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| 22:41.30 | thewanderer_ | strange as it may sound, I've once managed to find a memory error with the userspace `memtester` that memtest86+ failed to uncover |
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| 22:42.12 | thewanderer_ | might want to try that one too just to be sure... I think it uses more advanced scan patterns |
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| 22:59.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there a tool that's halfway between dpkg and apt? |
| 22:59.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | more specifically, i have a .deb that i want to install. but it has unsatisfied dependencies. |
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| 23:00.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | so dpkg -i won't work until the deps are satisfied. so is there a way to point apt at a local .deb file? or does it only fetch from repos? |
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| 23:02.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | kinda like gdebi, but installed by default in a vanilla debian. and ideally sans gui. |
| 23:02.27 | centrx | NoImNotNineVolt, it needs to know where those dependencies would be downloaded from |
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| 23:02.41 | centrx | NoImNotNineVolt, That information is not in the .deb file, it is in the Release/Packages files used by apt |
| 23:02.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | right. hence my request for a tool that's kinda halfway between the two :P |
| 23:03.19 | centrx | no there's no use for it |
| 23:03.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | i suppose i could just wrap the dpkg -i with a script that checks for "Package \w+ is not installed" |
| 23:03.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | and then calls apt-get install for each. |
| 23:03.58 | centrx | If the .deb is not part of a repo, the dependencies of it don't necessarily even work with your current system |
| 23:04.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | the .deb is something i just packaged up myself. |
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| 23:04.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | and the deps do necessarily work with my current system. i specified them myself. |
| 23:04.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | and i know they're in the debian repos. |
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| 23:05.02 | themill | NoImNotNineVolt: "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" (or just use gdebi which is a command line tool too) |
| 23:05.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | gdebi isn't available in a vanilla install though. so then it becomes yet another dependency :P |
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| 23:05.56 | themill | your hacky script isn't in a vanilla install either |
| 23:06.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | agreed, but it's trivial to distribute alongside the deb |
| 23:06.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | and lighter weight. |
| 23:06.27 | themill | there's no need to invent additional solutions to problems that don't exist |
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| 23:06.41 | belowzero | hi guys, is there something wrong with the standard debian reposes regarding package "locales"? for some reason many(all?) my debian computers fail to upgrade this package with apt-get/atpitude |
| 23:06.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | thank you for telling me my problem doesn't exist. |
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| 23:07.58 | themill | belowzero: upgrade from what to what? What is the failure? |
| 23:08.21 | belowzero | aptitude download locales (wheezy) fails at 69% on my boxes |
| 23:08.46 | belowzero | Get: 1 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main locales all 2.13-38+deb7u7 [5,708 kB] |
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| 23:09.05 | heurist | NoImNotNineVolt: did you try apt-get -f install after doing the dpkg -i foo.deb as suggested? |
| 23:09.19 | belowzero | 69% [1 locales 3,924 kB/5,708 kB 69%] < Stops here Pretty strange :) Happens to all my wheezy boxes |
| 23:09.28 | themill | belowzero: do you have a local apt cache there? (and if you have that many boxes, perhaps it's worth considering that) |
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| 23:10.10 | heurist | belowzero: have you tried using another mirror? |
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| 23:10.43 | nea1 | hi, i have a strange behavior on my v-server ... i have a br0 with the mac de:ff:56:b0:04:84 but the ipv6 link local ist fe80::1cd5:dcff:fec2:6d21/64 ... why is it not generated from the mac? |
| 23:11.19 | nea1 | and as there is a radvd running on that vm it changes on every reboot and i have multible default gateways which fuckup my routing |
| 23:11.20 | belowzero | heurist: tried three different countries |
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| 23:12.01 | teoma | Using dhclient (calling it directly), is there a way to disable the DHCPREQUEST step where it requests its last address, and go right to DHCPDISCOVER? |
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| 23:12.21 | rebauld | nea1 might be easier to write a script to clean up your routing based on .. |
| 23:12.24 | heurist | nea1: privacy extensions maybe. check sysctl net.ipv6.conf.default.use_tempaddr |
| 23:12.45 | nea1 | heurist: says 0 |
| 23:13.03 | nea1 | rebauld: i don't have access to all clients |
| 23:14.33 | heurist | nea1: sysctl net.ipv6.conf.br0.use_tempaddr ? |
| 23:14.49 | nea1 | heurist: 0 |
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| 23:15.54 | heurist | nea1: ok, so probably not privacy extensions than. ask your v-server provider. |
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| 23:16.24 | nea1 | heurist: br0 is local on the vm, the provider shouldn't have any influance on that |
| 23:16.44 | nea1 | and as it is kvm the kernel & modules are controled by me too |
| 23:16.52 | Dagger | nea1: bridge MAC addresses are weird |
| 23:16.54 | belowzero | Err http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main locales all 2.13-38+deb7u7 ; Connection failed [IP: 149.20.20.6 80] Strange :) |
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| 23:17.52 | nea1 | Dagger: thats why we defined it in the interfaces-file |
| 23:17.59 | nea1 | so it stays static |
| 23:18.01 | Dagger | nea1: (the bridge takes the lowest MAC address of all its component members, or something stupid like that. I can't remember what happens to the link-local address if the bridge MAC changes) |
| 23:18.03 | nea1 | and the mac is now fine |
| 23:19.37 | nea1 | Dagger: and it doesn't match the bat0 interface too |
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| 23:21.25 | nea1 | oh, and jes the mac isn't the one from the interfaces-file ... but the one from bat0 |
| 23:21.36 | baum | is using i3wm now - good by KDE :) |
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| 23:26.18 | rebauld | fluxbox is still better then i3wm ;) |
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| 23:31.39 | nea1 | is there a way to overwrite the link-local addr of ipv6? |
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| 23:32.18 | Dagger | nea1: I'm pretty sure you can just remove and add them like any other address |
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| 23:40.02 | Tool_Fan | Hiya. With this new ghost threat, are we supposed to reboot? |
| 23:40.43 | rebauld | Tool_Fan: upgrade first? |
| 23:41.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | the mainstream popularity of Tool heralded the end of the era of alternative rock. |
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| 23:41.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | but i'd argue that patching your glibc makes more sense than rebooting. |
| 23:41.35 | Guest46234 | guys ive upgraded to jessie and it hurts dudes, it hurts |
| 23:42.18 | jhutchins_wk | Guest46234: Yep. Testing. There's a reason it's called that. |
| 23:42.26 | jsin | What is the advantage of having a pgp subkey that is only good for signing and another only good for encrypting as opposed to a single subkey that does both? |
| 23:43.14 | Tool_Fan | Where I work we did the upgraded, But now my colleagues want to reboot servers. I cant find anything suggesting a reboot. |
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| 23:43.48 | heurist | Tool_Fan: have you restarted *everything* that links against libc? |
| 23:43.49 | centrx | Tool_Fan, Strictly it would be the safest thing to do |
| 23:44.00 | Tool_Fan | Yeah |
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| 23:44.17 | Tool_Fan | Did a lsof and grepped to make extra sure |
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| 23:45.17 | heurist | Tool_Fan: then a reboot would be advised when you can schedule it, but you do not *have* to do it now. unless things break. I had sshd and nfs-kernel-server not work after restarting them, which took a division down for an hour. reboot fixed that. |
| 23:45.17 | Tool_Fan | i didnt miss any services |
| 23:45.34 | Tool_Fan | thanks |
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| 23:47.15 | ponky | is it safe to on-line expand root-fs with parted? |
| 23:48.00 | Guest46234 | lol im dead guys dead |
| 23:48.02 | heurist | ponky: "safe" is a strong term. it depends on your filesystem. some support online resize, some do not. |
| 23:48.10 | ponky | ext4 |
| 23:48.13 | cheapie | ponky: Some FSes *might* support it, but I don't recommend it. |
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| 23:48.30 | ponky | guess i'll have to boot to live then |
| 23:48.30 | ponky | meh |
| 23:48.37 | cheapie | Looks like ext4 can online extend. |
| 23:48.53 | cheapie | If you can boot to live, great. |
| 23:49.02 | ponky | yeah, IPMI ⥠|
| 23:49.19 | ponky | damn installer, this one time i went with defaults and did not double check |
| 23:49.32 | ponky | 32GB of ram + 40GB ssd = not a good combo to do that :D |
| 23:49.40 | cheapie | Out-of-band management? Cool. |
| 23:49.48 | ponky | ended up with a 32GB swap and small rootfs |
| 23:49.51 | Guest46234 | i just thought... 'oww, again of dat packages which is depending on the new version which jessie already offers, instead of upgrading one by one just go full-tard' -.- |
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| 23:50.50 | cheapie | ponky: I wouldn't run any swap with that, if I was you, unless you were doing *really* RAM-hungry stuff. |
| 23:51.03 | ponky | cheapie: running a dozen vms |
| 23:51.12 | cheapie | That.... might need a little swap. |
| 23:51.29 | ponky | Error: Partition /dev/sda2 is being used. You must unmount it before you modify it with Parted. |
| 23:51.32 | ponky | meeh |
| 23:51.37 | faux___ | i am trying to run a debian 5.0 image on qemu. the VM cannot boot. i have pasted an image of the error text here. http://picpaste.com/error-tJG6uLCe.png Any help is appreciated, thanks. |
| 23:51.39 | ponky | time to go livecd |
| 23:52.23 | damjan | ponky: no need for livecd |
| 23:52.25 | cheapie | ponky: LiveCD? Heh, I can PXE boot here. |
| 23:52.48 | ponky | damjan: hmh? |
| 23:52.59 | damjan | swapoff -a; use fdisk to recreate the partition table, reboot, resize the root |
| 23:54.04 | ponky | damjan: oh, i dont need to manually resize root :O |
| 23:54.05 | ponky | that's awesome |
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| 23:54.35 | cheapie | Rebooting into a LiveCD/USB/netboot/whatever and using GParted or something still sounds easier and less error-prone, but that damjan suggested should be fine too. |
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| 23:55.00 | ponky | damjan: cant run fdisk btw, GPT :> |
| 23:55.03 | cheapie | Just make sure you expand the partition *before* the FS (although I'm sure resize2fs won't let you extend it out of the partition). |
| 23:55.10 | damjan | ponky: gdisk |
| 23:55.10 | cheapie | Use gdisk or parted. |
| 23:55.23 | cheapie | And I thought fdisk did support GPT? |
| 23:55.24 | ponky | ah ye, i already did that |
| 23:55.43 | cheapie | If you already extended the partition, then you just need to resize2fs. |
| 23:55.45 | ponky | sda2 is root fs and second partition, swap is sda3, i moved sda3 to the end of the disk |
| 23:55.45 | damjan | cheapie: afaik it does in some very new versions (VERY*) |
| 23:55.49 | ponky | its correct right? |
| 23:55.59 | rebauld | you don't need to resize that is what links are for |
| 23:56.44 | cheapie | rebauld: Huh? |
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| 23:57.21 | xreal | Can anyone please check my language? My debianish English isn't that good and I don't know if anyone understands my writing: http://pastie.org/pastes/9869726/text |
| 23:57.59 | centrx | typo: blow - below |
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| 23:58.13 | cheapie | damjan: I am running sid on this box, so... yeah, I think this is when I'm supposed to say "YMMV". |
| 23:58.16 | xreal | centrx: I like belowjobs :) |
| 23:58.29 | centrx | use numbers in the lists of how-to-reproduce instead of - |
| 23:58.38 | xreal | centrx: okay |
| 23:58.43 | xreal | centrx: or shall I ust markup? |
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| 23:58.46 | xreal | eeeh markdown* |
| 23:58.53 | xreal | centrx: or BB ? |
| 23:59.09 | centrx | If this is a bug report to Debian keep it plain text |
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| 23:59.33 | xreal | centrx: I think, it's not good enough for BTS, but for newsgroup and forum :) |
| 23:59.41 | rebauld | you don't need to resize any partition that is what links are for |
| 23:59.45 | centrx | ok |
| 23:59.50 | centrx | English looks fine, I give you my native speaker gold star |
