| 00:00.26 | primo | when I do arecod -l all it lists is device 0,0 |
| 00:00.31 | unborn | you can do sound and desktop record with vlc no problem.. however you will not be able to see mouse cursor (the thingy when you move mouse) till you will not make pointer icon by your self (png will be fine) and not tell vlc to use that icon for your pointer.. it works perfectly with latest vlc |
| 00:00.41 | unborn | primo, ^^ |
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| 00:02.03 | primo | unborn- I'm guessing you're a vlc fan :) |
| 00:02.15 | primo | unborn- looking up details on it now |
| 00:02.22 | unborn | primo, well - i am open source fun :) |
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| 00:03.41 | unborn | recordmydesktop is not supported in debian - that sw was not updated properly plus it does support old dep.. years old |
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| 00:05.36 | unborn | kazam is great but does not do without some deps too which are not included deb.. its been long time issue however you can do it with vlc simple - btw yes I like vlc but fun - I am fun only of the terminal end nothing else is more gougers :) primo |
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| 00:06.23 | Rachael24 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.51 | unborn | Rachael24, yes and it calls google - go away |
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| 00:07.01 | johnkeates | I need to turn off tx checksumming on a nic in debian installer, but I can't find out where |
| 00:07.31 | primo | unborn- kazam worked except for sound which required pulse |
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| 00:08.50 | johnkeates | there are no boot-time or installer arguments to do this it seems, and I can't find a list of netcfg options, so is my only option to hack in an ethtool udeb and a script that hooks dhcp? |
| 00:09.10 | nebbia | is there a way on irc to check which is my public ip ? |
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| 00:10.36 | samlero | johnkeates: and why do you need it turned off? |
| 00:10.53 | rgr | whois |
| 00:11.06 | rgr | "/whois nebbia" |
| 00:11.14 | samlero | nebbia: your private ip is secret bt here it is net-37-117-41-222.cust.vodafonedsl.it |
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| 00:11.33 | johnkeates | samlero: because the xen netback/netfront combo is broken in a way that having tx sum offloading on kills the network |
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| 00:11.54 | johnkeates | samlero: on debian jessie (dom0 and domU) at least |
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| 00:12.15 | none_0 | hi |
| 00:12.25 | samlero | johnkeates: can you get around it by a simple no xen install and then once booted add all you want? |
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| 00:13.12 | johnkeates | samlero: no, I can't even download the preseed file when tx sum offloading is on :) |
| 00:13.31 | johnkeates | samlero: and i'm not gonna install 100 servers by hand ;-) |
| 00:13.39 | samlero | is this something specific to your nick? have you tried another nic? |
| 00:13.50 | samlero | s/nick/nic/. |
| 00:13.59 | johnkeates | there is only one Xen NIC, the Xen Virtual Ethernet PV NIC |
| 00:14.27 | primo | unborn- recording works great but no audio working :( |
| 00:14.29 | samlero | it must be you or something you've got - nothing on google about it |
| 00:14.40 | johnkeates | the problem isn't in the hypervisor, that one works, but the guest vm doesn't have any ethernet until tx sum offloading is off |
| 00:14.55 | none_0 | is there a way to *export* bookmarks from chromium browser? I'd like to move them to firefox .. |
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| 00:15.19 | johnkeates | well, it is an official bug, and it doesn't exist in wheezy, squeeze or any of the ubuntus, only on CentOS, SuSE and debian Jessie |
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| 00:15.40 | johnkeates | google this: "xen ethtool k eth0 tx off" |
| 00:15.40 | samlero | none_0: isn't it just a sqlite database ? have you tried just copying it first? and giving it the correct name? |
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| 00:18.08 | samlero | johnkeates: looks bad - doesn't the recommendation in the first result help? Note: Itâs not recommended to use ethtool to disable TSO for vifs. It is best practice to disable it within the VM OS |
| 00:18.30 | none_0 | samlero: the bookmark file contains a list of elements delimited by "{" and "}" , each element contains key:value, there are keys like: date, id, url ... |
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| 00:19.38 | none_0 | samlero: the problem is: 1) i already have other bookmarks in firefox and 2) firefox uses json format |
| 00:19.39 | johnkeates | samlero: no, that doesn't apply here :) I'm not using XE but XL. XE is XenServer from Citrix, but I'm using Debian's Xen distribution and ethtool commands don't exist outside of XenServer |
| 00:20.08 | johnkeates | samlero: besides, XE settings on guest vm's only work once they are installed, not in D-I :) |
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| 00:28.45 | samlero | none_0: you sure - i belive firefox uses sqlite for bookmarks now ttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sqlite-manager/ |
| 00:30.32 | samlero | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profiles-where-firefox-stores-user-data |
| 00:30.41 | nebbia | rgr when i try to do whois nothing comes out why ? |
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| 00:31.05 | nebbia | samlero and how do i check for private ips ? |
| 00:31.10 | samlero | ah proof you don't exist |
| 00:31.25 | nebbia | sorry ? |
| 00:31.33 | samlero | use the whois or whatismyip.com |
| 00:31.45 | samlero | < nebbia> rgr when i try to do whois nothing comes out why ? |
| 00:31.53 | nebbia | ok but if for example i want to find out your public ip ? |
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| 00:32.25 | nebbia | i mean how did you find mine ? |
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| 00:32.41 | samlero | i submitted a tps report |
| 00:32.51 | samlero | in triplicate .. i might add |
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| 00:33.30 | nebbia | sorry what is a tps report ? |
| 00:33.39 | nebbia | triplicate ? |
| 00:33.44 | johnkeates | nebbia: just right-click any username you want to know stuff about if you use a GUI client, most of them have a portion that give details including your server and wan ip |
| 00:34.14 | samlero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPS_report check in 'popular culture' |
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| 00:35.11 | xreal | Yipee, I've found a new bug in Jessie. |
| 00:35.22 | xreal | "Purg console-setup [1.116]" - there's an "e" missing in "purge", isn't it? |
| 00:35.59 | johnkeates | depends, if someone actually make Purg a thing, it's correct :p |
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| 00:36.16 | xreal | johnkeates: normally, I "pork" things... |
| 00:36.24 | xreal | johnkeates: Pork and eggs etc. |
| 00:36.39 | johnkeates | xreal: porking and teabagging you mean? |
| 00:36.49 | johnkeates | xreal: like a breakfast |
| 00:37.00 | xreal | johnkeates: since I'm not native English, I'm talking rubbish, but yeah: like a breakfast :) |
| 00:37.21 | nebbia | sorry samlero i still didn't understand |
| 00:37.22 | johnkeates | xreal: i'm talking rubbish as well. |
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| 00:37.33 | xreal | johnkeates: we're on IRC... that's normal :) |
| 00:37.37 | samlero | nebbia: come on - use /whois nebbia |
| 00:37.38 | johnkeates | xreal: hehe |
| 00:38.01 | nebbia | ok i did it and nothing happened |
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| 00:38.13 | johnkeates | nebbia: what IRC client are you using? |
| 00:38.16 | samlero | file a tps report then ... in triplicate |
| 00:38.17 | nebbia | xchat |
| 00:38.50 | nebbia | samlero like i told you, i don't understand what this TPS in triplicate is |
| 00:38.52 | johnkeates | nebbia: right click a user from the user list on the right |
| 00:38.53 | samlero | switch to irssi |
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| 00:39.23 | samlero | or mirc |
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| 00:39.31 | xreal | Is there a way to figure out, which (reocmmended) packages got installed with a package? |
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| 00:39.36 | nebbia | ohh i found it now |
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| 00:39.44 | nebbia | with the right click on the user... =) |
| 00:39.50 | xreal | ah, apt-cache depends |
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| 00:39.59 | nebbia | thank you guys... i asked because i was trying freevpn |
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| 00:40.36 | nebbia | since next week i'll go in a firewalled college i'm testing free vpn servers |
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| 00:40.48 | samlero | no whois on freevpn .. i guess that is the cost of using freevpn |
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| 00:40.55 | nebbia | sorry mirc ? is it free software ? |
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| 00:41.10 | samlero | use to be $10 for shareware ... |
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| 00:41.28 | nebbia | prefer to use free software , GPL'ed software |
| 00:41.38 | ompaul | nebbia: and who do think supplies those free vpn servers :) |
| 00:41.41 | samlero | fortress u? |
| 00:41.54 | nebbia | ompaul what do you mean ? |
| 00:42.02 | nebbia | samlero whaat ? |
| 00:42.05 | ompaul | think about who has your data |
| 00:42.15 | samlero | ompaul: ssshhhh |
| 00:42.28 | samlero | it is sold by the pound not by the content |
| 00:42.31 | nebbia | ompaul i can't follow you ... |
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| 00:42.36 | nebbia | what do you mean ? |
| 00:42.56 | ompaul | nebbia: who owns the pipe you are in and therefore can see all your data |
| 00:43.28 | ompaul | is it the college and what are they injecting into your content and altering in your emails and performing the mitm attacks on your connections |
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| 00:43.40 | samlero | joey in cubicle 2023? he isn't trustworthy at all but hey he has free mountain dew |
| 00:43.59 | ompaul | samlero: and he scares the doggies |
| 00:44.17 | ompaul | nebbia: you have been warned |
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| 00:44.27 | nebbia | ompaul... i really can't understand... |
| 00:44.31 | ompaul | and this is really offtopic for here |
| 00:44.34 | nebbia | what are you talking about ? |
| 00:44.44 | nebbia | if you want pm |
| 00:44.45 | ompaul | nebbia: who spies on your data and can attack it |
| 00:45.05 | ompaul | nebbia: it really is that simple - if the service is free - you really are the product |
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| 00:45.13 | ompaul | game set and match to facebook etc |
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| 00:45.31 | samlero | and those angry birds |
| 00:45.32 | unborn | ccoding plus being drinking at the same time - this is poetry guys.. like piano and love :) debian is an poetry! |
| 00:45.33 | ompaul | nebbia: and this is offtopic for here join #debian-offtopic if you want to be talking about this |
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| 00:46.12 | nebbia | ok ompaul, but what is the sense of this ? why are you telling me this ? i'm not using freevpn because i'm scared of being spied, i'm using vpn to use other ports services like irc, otherwise i'm proxied |
| 00:46.32 | ompaul | whatever |
| 00:46.41 | nebbia | i'll join |
| 00:46.56 | ompaul | samlero: high five and there goes another one |
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| 00:47.55 | samlero | thumbs through ompaul's very thick internet file |
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| 00:48.52 | samlero | pretty girlfriend there in 8th grade ... for those 2 days ;) |
| 00:50.03 | unborn | samlero, this is not the channel about rubbish - if you fancy the chat please join the #debian-offtopic |
| 00:50.21 | unborn | some people sits here to help and not to read rubbish.. cheers |
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| 00:50.58 | samlero | unborn: rereading your posts - are YOU claiming you are helping? |
| 00:51.51 | unborn | samlero, you have no idea and nope I do not claiming anything towards you.. just read rulez here |
| 00:51.56 | unborn | samlero, let it go.. |
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| 00:53.13 | intx | what's the preferred method for finding fastest mirror? |
| 00:53.27 | samlero | you start with me and then want me to let it go? you let it go |
| 00:54.24 | unborn | samlero, I aint start anything.. its in your head only.. all I said lets keep this chan for deb users who needs help and not the rubbish.. I did say this clearly.. |
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| 00:54.40 | intx | waa stop arguing, I have a real question d: |
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| 00:55.00 | samlero | unborn stop being a clown and shut up |
| 00:55.15 | samlero | intx paste it |
| 00:55.47 | samlero | intx and it is waaah |
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| 00:58.34 | unborn | samlero, what ever :) I have actually a brain.. I am giving you nice ignore so enjoy it.. have nice day /evening or whatever you have. cau |
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| 00:59.20 | samlero | i sure hope unborn ain't one of the prelease testers ;) |
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| 01:00.52 | unborn | samlero, sure not. - you are a moron :) see you, well I am not usually cancelling my filters so heh never. |
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| 01:01.52 | ctmjr | intx: http://http.debian.net/ |
| 01:02.02 | unborn | this used to be decent help channel.. I think I will move it to servers chans.. |
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| 01:05.47 | none_0 | samlero: the keys names are different . Also it seems to be not possible to import them, since ff only allows "restore (backup)" and "import html" ... |
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| 01:06.44 | samlero | why not use chrome on both systems? |
| 01:08.03 | samlero | on debian it is iceweasel anyway?\ |
| 01:08.23 | none_0 | samlero: yes, iceweasel |
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| 01:18.23 | none_0 | samlero: i exported FF bookmarks in html. Then i imported chromium ones via "Restore" but no way: it doesnt import them. they're not compatible. Thanks anyway :) |
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| 01:46.24 | samlero | cd /php |
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| 01:55.39 | nurupo | i'm creating a user for a daemon to run as. the daemon stored it's data in /var/lib/daemon-name. does it make sense to set this dir as daemon's home when creating daemon's user? |
| 01:55.39 | nurupo | like that `useradd --home-dir /var/lib/daemon-name --create-home --system --shell /sbin/nologin --comment "My super daemon" --user-group daemon-name` |
| 01:56.33 | samlero | does the user even need a home if it can't login? |
| 01:57.46 | nurupo | not really. it just stores data in its /var/lib/daemon-name directory, and it doesn't have to be home, that path is specified in daemon's config file. |
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| 01:58.10 | samlero | probably won't do any harm - i have the httpd user with a nonsense dir and it seems to have no effect - and it is also /bin/nologin |
| 01:59.13 | samlero | it seems to matter with the sftp user with /bin/false though |
| 02:00.42 | samlero | i wonder why the sftp user is /bin/false now? any one use /bin/false as a shell? |
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| 02:02.41 | nurupo | i thought /bin/false was a standard practice, even --system sets it |
| 02:03.12 | nurupo | when someone tries to login it just returns 1 and terminates |
| 02:04.02 | nurupo | /sbin/nologin is supposedly a bit more advance and doesn't tell whoever tries to loging that a error has occured (the 1 return code) or something like that |
| 02:04.06 | nurupo | need to look up :) |
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| 02:07.00 | samlero | i'll leave it then ;) |
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| 02:07.59 | samlero | nurupo: do you use rbash for 'users' ? saves a lot of chmod and chown hassle and helps with what they can actually do (keep em contained) |
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| 02:08.27 | nurupo | no, i don't use rbash |
| 02:09.08 | nurupo | it's a daemon, it needs no shell |
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| 02:40.29 | snadge | hmm.. so im seeing issues with kjournald on my kvm vps running debian 7.. has anyone else seen something along these lines? |
| 02:40.46 | snadge | im starting to suspect an I/O issue with my vps provider.. im not sure exactly how their host is set up etc |
| 02:42.25 | snadge | Jan 31 00:03:05 inspiration kernel: [910080.320125] INFO: task kjournald:131 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 02:44.24 | snadge | and similar messages from apache2 .. lfd.. over the next 5 minutes or so.. until 10 minutes later.. lfd triggers the oom killer |
| 02:45.10 | samlero | are they having memory of hard disk problems? give them a call on their 800 toll free number |
| 02:45.57 | snadge | apparently it spawned 50 lfd processes.. which seems unusual.. so this could indicate a problem with lfd.. ie.. i/o error failure or stalling somehow means spawn 50 processes |
| 02:46.16 | samlero | kjournal blocked for 120 seconds is going to loose a lot of journal on a busy server for sure |
| 02:46.25 | snadge | so whilst i consider the i/o issue to be the root cause of the problem.. perhaps its just running a really nasty cron or backup script at that time which starves the vps of i/o |
| 02:47.06 | samlero | rcconf and chkconfig -list to see what is runnung that you might not want running |
| 02:47.20 | snadge | since its at midnight and its not a heavily utilised (ie cheap) vps.. im not terribly concerned about it |
| 02:47.29 | snadge | well i dont have access to the host.. this is just a kvm guest |
| 02:47.50 | snadge | in other words.. i suspect that the host is starving the guest of i/o.. due to a backup script or something along those lines.. (this is just a guess) |
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| 02:47.55 | samlero | sounded like you were really concerned about it a minute ago ;) |
| 02:48.28 | snadge | well the solution is probably migrate to a different vps that doesn't do that.. but.. im kinda happy with the location and price of this one so it may be best to attempt to resolve the issue with the supplier |
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| 02:51.43 | snadge | unfortunately there doesnt seem to be a support channel for lfd |
| 02:54.19 | snadge | the description of lfd on the main csf page.. hints to what could be causing the problem though.. lfd, every X seconds scans your log files.. if its hanging on i/o then presumably it just keeps spawning a process to do that task, which will exhaust the available memory |
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| 03:01.59 | isaakk | what's the likely cause of "fatal server error: (EE) no screens found(EE) " ? |
| 03:02.05 | isaakk | and no display |
| 03:02.54 | samlero | bad xorg.conf? run Xorg -configure and then Xorg -config xorg.conf.new |
| 03:03.40 | isaakk | ok I"ll try that and report back, thanks |
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| 04:19.19 | jeddi | I'm trying to grab linux-image-*-amd64 .deb files from a local mirror, but the Filename: entry isn't showing up when I do an apt-cache show linux-image- or linux-headers- package. Are these packages especially special? |
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| 04:24.48 | The_Schmidt | jeddi: those are kernel packages ... besides that it's more in depth than I can go into |
| 04:25.11 | themill | jeddi: that would be the case if you were asking for a package that is locally installed and no longer available on the mirror |
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| 04:25.31 | themill | (they would also be listed in the output of "aptitude search ~o") |
| 04:26.53 | jeddi | themill: hmm .. on one of my machines, that's the case (it's a 3.17-1-amd kernel image). |
| 04:30.09 | jeddi | hmm, on my nearest mirror I see there's only 3.16 and two x 3.18 exp packages.... |
| 04:30.49 | jeddi | nice heads up on aptitude search - i rarely use aptitude, instead sticking to apt-get/cache tools. the search output is funky. |
| 04:32.48 | The_Schmidt | i often use the ~i option to see the installed packages |
| 04:34.06 | jeddi | The_Schmidt: on aptitude? ~ as in tilde? |
| 04:34.14 | The_Schmidt | jeddi: yes |
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| 04:34.46 | CHVNX | http://i.imgur.com/c1D0D1n.jpg <-- Which one of you is this? |
| 04:35.15 | The_Schmidt | what provocative spamming is this? |
| 04:36.48 | The_Schmidt | jeddi: was just looking thru the aptitude man page with a search like so: /~[a-zA-Z] |
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| 04:36.51 | jeddi | yeah, i need 3.16.2 or later .. 3.18 in sid / exp is labelled trunk, which is discouraging. |
| 04:38.22 | The_Schmidt | newer is not always better |
| 04:38.48 | jeddi | The_Schmidt: that's really handy - occasionally I need to remove a swathe of packages based on a common string, and end up wrangling the output of dpkg -l usually through awk or cut and intoa temporary file. this string matcher in aptitude is neat |
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| 04:39.14 | jeddi | The_Schmidt: I need something newer than 3.16.1, I believe, to fix an iwlwifi (intel wireless module) bug that's giving me grief on a new install on a laptop. |
| 04:39.19 | The_Schmidt | in hindsight, i'm glad i learned how to reinstall graphics drivers from the command line |
| 04:39.53 | jeddi | i install all my graphics drivers from the command line :) |
| 04:40.41 | The_Schmidt | sgfxi? |
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| 04:42.25 | jeddi | in this particular beast i'm using non-free nvidia drivers (deb packages) .. but used to pull in the tarball from nvidia. too old for that craziness these days. this thing's actually one of those optimus varieties, so it's a combo nvidia and (i think) intel, but that whole bumblebee thing gave me the heebeegeebies, and it's rarely on battery-only, so i'm not fussed about getting every last watt out of it. |
| 04:44.30 | jeddi | oh, and now there's no linux-kbuild-3.18 in sid / exp, only 3.16 and 3.17 variants, so the 3.18 linux-image can be installed, but the 3.18 headers can't be. hrmmm. |
| 04:45.55 | themill | the kbuild packages often lag behind for reasons I don't understand |
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| 04:47.06 | jeddi | hmm ... weird. |
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| 04:47.20 | jeddi | at least i can test the kernel with wireless, even if i don't get X going. |
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| 05:21.59 | photographer | hi 2 all! |
| 05:23.05 | photographer | is any youtube download tool for debian? does youtube-dl working. i was not close to my computer for 5 month. when i come back and update / upgrade my wheezy |
| 05:23.11 | photographer | youtube-dl didnt work... |
| 05:23.44 | photographer | i need something to download cartoons for my kid from youtube... what is suggestion |
| 05:24.24 | photographer | who is sleeeping wish him nice debian dreams ;) |
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| 05:26.19 | themill | photographer: clive (youtube-dl isn't in wheezy at all) |
| 05:26.41 | charliegreen | Hey! I repeatedly lose internet connection on debian wheezy (wifi); can anyone help me, please? :P |
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| 05:27.04 | photographer | yea.. themill i remembered, you right for youtube-dl... |
| 05:27.18 | photographer | that is not in wheezy |
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| 05:30.03 | OzzieMx | Hi. |
| 05:30.20 | OzzieMx | Can I backport libc6 building from source. Sid to Wheezy? |
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| 05:32.14 | charliegreen | I'm on a MacbookPro, with this uname string: "Linux asimov 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
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| 05:32.20 | charliegreen | My wifi driver is b43 |
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| 05:33.48 | shay_shay | OzzieMx, dont backport libc6 |
| 05:34.10 | shay_shay | you're better off dist upgrading to jessie |
| 05:34.24 | OzzieMx | Why not? shay_shay |
| 05:34.36 | Rusty1 | charliegreen: disabling ipv6 may or may not help https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
| 05:34.54 | shay_shay | OzzieMx, try it in a virtual machine first if you are curious |
| 05:35.06 | shay_shay | your install will most likely shit a brick |
| 05:35.24 | OzzieMx | Oh... |
| 05:35.34 | charliegreen | Thanks, Rusty1, I'll look into that! |
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| 05:36.03 | shay_shay | OzzieMx, are you trying to use some software specifically ? |
| 05:36.06 | shay_shay | Steam? |
| 05:36.38 | OzzieMx | But I need it and Jessie doesn't wanna work on this machine. |
| 05:36.45 | OzzieMx | Yes. |
| 05:36.52 | shay_shay | https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy |
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| 05:37.44 | OzzieMx | And Atraci... |
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| 05:39.05 | shay_shay | OzzieMx, https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy/blob/master/steam-debian_source/usr/bin/steam-debian |
| 05:39.08 | shay_shay | this is the launcher |
| 05:39.19 | OzzieMx | Jessie black out my X. |
| 05:39.42 | shay_shay | see how it sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH= variable? |
| 05:40.04 | shay_shay | maybe you can use that to make a launcher for some other software which needs a newer libc6 |
| 05:40.36 | shay_shay | just an example |
| 05:40.47 | shay_shay | either that or you can just make a schroot |
| 05:40.53 | shay_shay | with jessie |
| 05:41.00 | shay_shay | well that might not work... |
| 05:41.10 | shay_shay | not for steam... only for simple things |
| 05:42.14 | OzzieMx | Ok. I'll do it: Install steam and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH= for Atraci? |
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| 05:42.44 | shay_shay | yes, |
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| 05:43.14 | shay_shay | that will point it to the libc6 from the steam for wheezy installer |
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| 05:43.46 | OzzieMx | Can I use that github link without worries? |
| 05:44.53 | photographer | themill: clive works fine, just how to convert webm to some more common video format? |
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| 05:48.08 | shay_shay | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ dunnolol |
| 05:48.26 | themill | photographer: lots of things can play the webm files just fine; avconv from libav-tools is good for transcoding like that. |
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| 05:50.16 | photographer | themill: thank you! |
| 05:50.52 | OzzieMx | Ok. Carefully... Thanks, shay_shay. Thanks, chatroom. |
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| 06:00.52 | hypermst | I need some help installing an irc. client. The Irc Client is Konverstation but idk how to install it. |
| 06:02.45 | shay_shay | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install konversation |
| 06:02.55 | hypermst | thank you shay_shay |
| 06:03.08 | hypermst | Im a noob haha |
| 06:03.39 | shay_shay | hypermst, thats ok |
| 06:03.40 | hypermst | Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? shay_shay ? how come i got this ? this is a fresh install i mean like literaly 30mins ago |
| 06:03.52 | shay_shay | hypermst, close synaptic first |
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| 06:05.08 | hypermst | ah okay shay_shay |
| 06:05.18 | shay_shay | :P |
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| 06:08.51 | hypermst | im learning debian now shay_shay :p |
| 06:08.58 | hypermst | my other oses seemed to have failed me |
| 06:08.58 | hypermst | :p |
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| 06:12.07 | karihre | Quick question, I need to do regular (incremental) backups of data in the range of some tens of terabytes from a server to a backup server. I have previously only really used rdiff-backup for smaller backups and it started giving me problems when it went into the several TB range. Does anyone have experience with BackupPC, Amanda or Bacula (or other tools) that could comment on whether they would be a good fit for my use case? |
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| 06:13.23 | karihre | I'm seeing if I can avoid buying some "enterprise" backup solution which seems to be in the range of a few $10k. |
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| 06:18.36 | charliegreen | karihre: dd, all the way :P |
| 06:20.46 | shay_shay | rsnapshot |
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| 06:22.58 | shay_shay | hypermst, nice |
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| 06:24.14 | hypermst | shay_shay: question how do i get the stuff that has deb as a command |
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| 06:24.21 | hypermst | cause i have to install something that needs deb |
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| 06:25.31 | shay_shay | hypermst, gdebi |
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| 06:25.57 | monkwitdafunk | karihre, just use clonezilla with the exact same hard drive as the storage medium |
| 06:26.05 | hypermst | deb command not found shay_shay |
| 06:26.18 | monkwitdafunk | that way, you can have the same integrity check on both memories |
| 06:26.21 | shay_shay | hypermst, you have a .deb you want to install? |
| 06:26.32 | hypermst | yes. |
| 06:26.34 | monkwitdafunk | is downtime a concern |
| 06:27.00 | shay_shay | hypermst, so, "sudo gdebi package_name.deb" |
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| 06:27.19 | hypermst | The package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file. Check the permissions of the file. package file is brand new shay_shay its steam_latest.deb |
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| 06:28.49 | shay_shay | hypermst, from the directory containing that file, ls -al | grep steam_latest.deb |
| 06:29.17 | hypermst | -rw-r--r-- 1 hypermist hypermist 1938458 Jan 31 19:18 steam_latest.deb |
| 06:29.58 | shay_shay | hypermst, are you on wheezy? |
| 06:30.05 | hypermst | uhm how to check ? |
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| 06:31.07 | D|nA | hypermist, lsb_release -a |
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| 06:31.36 | shay_shay | hypermst, that installer wont work on wheezy anyways |
| 06:31.57 | shay_shay | and if you want steam on jessie, its in the debian repository |
| 06:32.08 | hypermst | ah damnit im Wheezy |
| 06:32.36 | D|nA | you can upgrade to jessie |
| 06:32.44 | hypermst | doesn't know how |
| 06:33.05 | D|nA | debian has a nice documentation |
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| 06:33.31 | D|nA | or you can find a video about how to do that |
| 06:33.44 | hypermst | to gooogle! |
| 06:33.52 | D|nA | it's simple, just make a backup first |
| 06:34.42 | hypermst | who needs a backup. when you have the ISO still on the usb. yaay. and its only fresh so no loss |
| 06:35.15 | shay_shay | hypermst, back up your system first, then: sudo sed 's/wheezy/jessie' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:35.30 | shay_shay | should work :P |
| 06:35.58 | D|nA | shay_shay, let him learn, not to just copy/paste commands :p |
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| 06:36.05 | shay_shay | ok :D |
| 06:36.05 | hypermst | I don't mind if it fails |
| 06:36.06 | hypermst | :D |
| 06:36.18 | hypermst | D|nA: i will learn. after i get stuff working for first init |
| 06:36.28 | D|nA | :) |
| 06:36.39 | shay_shay | hypermst, you need to edit your sources.list replace all instances of wheezy with jessie |
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| 06:36.48 | shay_shay | update apt-get and then dist upgrade |
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| 06:37.52 | D|nA | and don't forget the drivers if you want gaming performance |
| 06:37.56 | shay_shay | sed is a command line editor, "man sed" to learn about it, "man apt-get" to learn about it |
| 06:38.35 | hypermst | D|nA: or i could take the cheap way out and. go download me a jessie iso xD |
| 06:39.01 | shay_shay | hypermst, sure, but this way you get to learn how to update a debian system |
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| 06:39.23 | shay_shay | youll need to know how to do that eventually |
| 06:39.56 | hypermst | true shay_shay |
| 06:40.02 | shay_shay | if you copy and pastsa my && && command it will work |
| 06:40.15 | hypermst | it didn't work xD |
| 06:40.19 | shay_shay | what happened |
| 06:40.22 | hypermst | sed: -e expression #1, char 15: unterminated `s' command |
| 06:40.27 | shay_shay | oh |
| 06:40.54 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.22 | shay_shay | sudo sed 's/wheezy/jessie/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:41.53 | hypermst | i have to go edit my sources.list file right ? |
| 06:42.00 | hypermst | or ? |
| 06:42.00 | shay_shay | yes |
| 06:42.10 | shay_shay | yes yes |
| 06:42.20 | hypermst | where is it located so i can edit it xD |
| 06:42.23 | shay_shay | all instances of wheezy become jessie |
| 06:42.37 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.04 | karihre | charliegreen: well, rdiff-backup comes close to it, as it basically just uses rsync, the simplicity is definately there. I'm just worried about the performance when it comes to tens of terabytes |
| 06:43.53 | karihre | monkwitdafunk: clonezilla doesn't seem to support incremental backups, which are more or less a requirement in my case |
| 06:44.52 | hypermst | http://hastebin.com/lahijidopa.vhdl shay_shay |
| 06:45.20 | shay_shay | hypermst, remove those cdrom src lines |
| 06:45.26 | hypermst | ah okay |
| 06:45.40 | shay_shay | then update again |
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| 06:46.17 | shay_shay | && means do the next command if the last one exited with no errors |
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| 06:46.26 | hypermst | Oh okay. |
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| 06:49.37 | hypermst | all teh updates |
| 06:49.52 | hypermst | goes afk |
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| 07:00.45 | phix | hi gang |
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| 07:04.31 | hypermst | hmm idk if its frozen in the install shay_shay |
| 07:04.37 | shay_shay | why |
| 07:04.44 | hypermst | ca-certificates (20140927) unstable; urgency=medium cause thats been there fora good few mins |
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| 07:05.07 | shay_shay | is it asking you to accept them? |
| 07:05.19 | shay_shay | it might ask you some questions |
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| 07:05.48 | shay_shay | you want the ca certificates installed, so say yes |
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| 07:06.31 | hypermst | its not asking anthing |
| 07:06.34 | hypermst | its just saying : after |
| 07:09.30 | shay_shay | hypermst, screenshot please? |
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| 07:09.51 | shay_shay | i am not able to visualize this. either that or pastebin |
| 07:11.56 | hypermst | ca-certificates (20140927) unstable; urgency=medium : |
| 07:11.58 | hypermst | thats all i have |
| 07:14.15 | shay_shay | what have you tried? |
| 07:14.22 | shay_shay | tried pressing enter or space |
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| 07:15.54 | hypermst | ah that worked shay_shay |
| 07:16.05 | shay_shay | lol |
| 07:16.06 | hypermst | hitting space and enter a few times and it worked |
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| 07:54.46 | snima | How i can take a backup from specific software? e.g libreoffice |
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| 08:06.03 | nkuttler | snima: what do you mean? of the documents you created? |
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| 08:13.01 | snima | nkuttler: No, from the software. |
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| 08:18.49 | hypermst | Hehe |
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| 08:19.53 | hypermst | shay_shay: such long time to do it |
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| 08:21.55 | hypermst | shay_shay: |
| 08:21.57 | hypermst | it just failed |
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| 08:22.32 | hypermst | http://hastebin.com/bepequlike.avrasm shay_shay |
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| 08:24.43 | nkuttler | snima: why do you want to do that? you can just reinstall it from the repos? |
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| 08:41.44 | fishcooker | i have old PowerEdge 2950 .. i want to update the bios and raid firmware but from the official only support for redhat http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/poweredge-2950/drivers |
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| 08:45.36 | Brigo | fishcooker, where did they say that only support RH? |
| 08:46.23 | Brigo | fishcooker, sorry, i must go :( |
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| 09:01.20 | babilen | fishcooker: There are definitely tools that work on Debian for flashing firmware (raid controller too) |
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| 09:02.26 | fishcooker | babilen: http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/debian/ |
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| 09:03.24 | babilen | fishcooker: That might be it (i'm not flashing our boxes, so I'm not too familiar with it, just wanted to confirm that they exist) |
| 09:03.45 | fishcooker | too risku |
| 09:03.49 | fishcooker | *risky |
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| 09:13.17 | Juslintek | Hi, on Debian I want to install mysql 5.6 |
| 09:13.22 | Juslintek | I'm using this tutorial: '/opt/mysql/server-5.6/lib/libmysqld-debug.a.dpkg-new' |
| 09:13.49 | Juslintek | woops I mean I'm getting this error, I don't know what to do. If file like that is in deb package |
| 09:14.06 | Juslintek | And tutorial is over here: http://xmodulo.com/upgrade-mysql-server-debian-ubuntu.html |
| 09:14.46 | _2_Jessica | hi whats your name |
| 09:15.00 | Juslintek | dpgk doesn't understand this file format, well I understand that its sqld-debug.a |
| 09:15.16 | Juslintek | _2_Jessica, my? |
| 09:15.23 | Juslintek | You mean real name? |
| 09:16.14 | _2_Jessica | yes:) |
| 09:16.35 | tugrik | whois _2_Jessica |
| 09:16.38 | tugrik | lol |
| 09:17.15 | phix | sup |
| 09:17.22 | tugrik | that appears to have been a bot of some description Juslintek |
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| 09:17.34 | phix | lets debian |
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| 09:18.47 | nkuttler | ,v mysql-server |
| 09:18.48 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; sid: 5.5.40-1; jessie: 5.5.40-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.41-0+wheezy1; wheezy-security: 5.5.41-0+wheezy1 |
| 09:19.27 | Juslintek | nkuttler, I know, its not in repo of Debian |
| 09:19.44 | Juslintek | But I use oracle source |
| 09:19.56 | nkuttler | Juslintek: you should talk to mysql support if you use their sources |
| 09:20.13 | Juslintek | nkuttler okay. |
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| 09:31.51 | snima | nkuttler:If the new version has some problem, I can restore to last |
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| 09:41.00 | i5um41ru | [help] why switching to virtual termnal tty1 - 6 just show a blank page |
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| 10:00.22 | robalni | i5um41ru: try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/162535/why-does-switching-to-the-tty-give-me-a-blank-screen |
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| 10:12.53 | Juslintek | If anyone wants to use 5.6 mysql on debian use this repo: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/repo/apt/ |
| 10:13.00 | Juslintek | wget it |
| 10:13.04 | Juslintek | dpkg -i it |
| 10:13.05 | dpkg | installs it into juslintek's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 10:13.26 | Juslintek | and apt-get update |
| 10:13.49 | Juslintek | if it cries about dependencies apt-get -f install |
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| 10:15.05 | Juslintek | and screw all thos shitty tuts online. :-) |
| 10:15.11 | Juslintek | I need to start writting my own :-D |
| 10:16.10 | Juslintek | New lesson learned go to devs site first, see what it has to offer, and 99% it will have an offer for your platform. Exploit it. |
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| 10:17.44 | jelly | Juslintek: upstream packages can be crappier thatn those from debian, so be careful |
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| 11:25.59 | crook | How can we open windows apps in linux |
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| 11:27.18 | rozie | crook: wine |
| 11:27.33 | RDash | I have firefox 36 manually installed in /opt/firefox and when firefox wants to update it simply keeps connecting to the servers and does not download. Probably it is a permission problem since I did it as root so which users/groups I need to give firefox to be able to update/upgrade as user? |
| 11:27.33 | SynrGy | sometimes |
| 11:27.37 | rozie | works for someapps |
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| 11:28.25 | crook | Ok |
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| 11:28.46 | crook | But its too lengthy process |
| 11:28.48 | crook | I think |
| 11:28.56 | SynrGy | RDash: i don't know, but consider: |
| 11:28.57 | SynrGy | !mdn |
| 11:28.57 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 11:29.08 | RDash | SynrGy, I thought it was: root:users |
| 11:29.28 | RDash | SynrGy, Iceweasel lacks tons of support that I need for my work :P |
| 11:29.48 | SynrGy | like what? |
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| 11:30.04 | SynrGy | iceweasel is firefox. just the name changes |
| 11:30.32 | RDash | SynrGy, it lacks certain support for plugins cause iceweasel does not load the plugins I require for my work. They are private since it is used for an intranet |
| 11:31.16 | RDash | And also version incompatibility is a cause I do not want/use it |
| 11:31.23 | RDash | at least my work :P |
| 11:31.31 | crook | How to play nfs game on linux |
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| 11:31.38 | crook | Is there a linux version |
| 11:31.38 | SynrGy | are you sure it's an iceweasel vs. firefox difference, or just a version difference? |
| 11:31.49 | SynrGy | as for the version thing, that's what mozilla.debian.net is for |
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| 11:32.01 | RDash | SynrGy, I tried loading the plugins it simply wont work cause it breaks iceweasel :P |
| 11:32.15 | RDash | and does not break @ regular firefox |
| 11:32.22 | SynrGy | which version of iceweasel? |
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| 11:32.42 | RDash | SynrGy, release version of Jessie |
| 11:32.57 | SynrGy | ,v iceweasel |
| 11:33.01 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.4.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.4.0esr-1; jessie: 31.4.0esr-1; experimental: 35.0.1-1 |
| 11:33.10 | SynrGy | that's an older version. |
| 11:33.19 | SynrGy | mozilla.debian.net tells you how to install newer versions on jessie |
| 11:33.53 | SynrGy | you realize we're in freeze, so no new upstream versions go in. however, mdn supports them. i believe they use experimental for this purpose. |
| 11:34.05 | SynrGy | i've used experimental versions on testing before and have not had issues |
| 11:34.34 | RDash | SynrGy, but I fixed my issue already by messing with chown |
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| 11:35.03 | SynrGy | sure. but the best supported way to stay on top of latest releases is to use iceweasel and mdn |
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| 11:35.54 | RDash | SynrGy, as far I can see on intranet all other browsers are blocked then Firefox 35 > |
| 11:36.01 | RDash | so it would not solve it :) |
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| 11:39.06 | crook | Some one knows about how to play games |
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| 11:39.47 | crook | In lubuntu |
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| 11:41.46 | crook | Blank |
| 11:41.55 | crook | Reply |
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| 11:44.14 | Halcyforn | hello |
| 11:44.15 | SynrGy | RDash: iceweasel 35 is firefox 35, so i don't see why it would be blocked. |
| 11:44.33 | RDash | SynrGy, probably because of the signiature it gives : / |
| 11:44.36 | SynrGy | RDash: if it's doing something stupid with the ident string that's trivially fixable with a plugin |
| 11:44.43 | RDash | or browser header |
| 11:45.14 | Halcyforn | what version kernel and xorg server now have debian? |
| 11:45.29 | RDash | SynrGy, I am the sysadmin at my work though and can easily enable all browsers I have to follow the rules they apply :P |
| 11:45.31 | SynrGy | RDash: see "User Agent Switcher" or similar |
| 11:46.14 | SynrGy | so you just use iceweasel 35, set the user agent to exactly match firefox, and voila. supported. |
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| 11:46.52 | RDash | SynrGy, lets just drop it alright? Cause I have my orders at work and if they spot me with a different browser (even though it is same user agent) ill be fired. |
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| 11:47.06 | RDash | even though it is the same user agent |
| 11:47.24 | RDash | I only needed to know which user:group I needed to update it because I forgot which ones it were :P |
| 11:47.35 | SynrGy | dropped |
| 11:47.39 | RDash | thanks <3 |
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| 11:53.07 | shdrr | I ran this script to stop my firewall (http://bash.cyberciti.biz/security/shell-script-to-stop-linux-firewall/) |
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| 11:53.16 | shdrr | how do I do the complete opposite? |
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| 11:53.42 | shdrr | I realized one second after that my problem was unrelated to the firewall after working with it for an hour |
| 11:53.46 | cdb23ax | hello, i have started my hvm machine in xen and i accidently got into the paralell0 console |
| 11:53.55 | cdb23ax | can someone tell me how to get back to the guest? |
| 11:54.21 | valdyn | shdrr: you are asking something like: i just threw a glass and it broke, how do i put it back together |
| 11:54.33 | cdb23ax | xen hvm |
| 11:54.44 | cdb23ax | iam trying to logon on the windoof guest system with vnc |
| 11:54.49 | valdyn | shdrr: theres various tools to manage your firewall properly, read some and find one you like |
| 11:55.06 | cdb23ax | i want to enter password and then it throws me into the paralell0 console |
| 11:55.08 | cdb23ax | can someone help |
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| 11:56.12 | valdyn | shdrr: however, its not unlikely that you never configured your firewall and that that script you ran did absolutely nothing |
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| 11:56.56 | shdrr | I have configured my iptables |
| 11:57.12 | valdyn | shdrr: how did you do that? |
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| 11:58.07 | shdrr | I edited /etc/iptables.firewall.rules |
| 11:58.45 | cdb23ax | https://community.oracle.com/thread/2609125 |
| 11:58.47 | cdb23ax | can someone help plz |
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| 11:58.53 | valdyn | shdrr: which package is that file from? i cannot see this in debian. |
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| 11:59.40 | shdrr | I added it myself and just loaded it |
| 11:59.59 | valdyn | shdrr: this is not very descriptive |
| 12:00.08 | valdyn | shdrr: how did you "load" it |
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| 12:00.26 | shdrr | iptables-restore |
| 12:00.28 | valdyn | shdrr: if you show us the file I can tell what it is |
| 12:00.45 | shdrr | i dont have a problem with that file actually |
| 12:01.00 | shdrr | sec |
| 12:01.11 | valdyn | shdrr: nvm |
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| 12:01.25 | valdyn | shdrr: just run iptables-restore again to get back your firewall rules |
| 12:02.16 | shdrr | they are still there, |
| 12:02.20 | shdrr | which is the odd part |
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| 12:02.28 | shdrr | (odd to my understanding) |
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| 12:03.15 | shdrr | http://i.imgur.com/B1dGZDI.png |
| 12:03.18 | valdyn | shdrr: if you ran the script you linked earlier, then theres no rules in your iptables |
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| 12:04.18 | shdrr | oooh |
| 12:04.28 | shdrr | i did a chain accept earlier |
| 12:04.47 | valdyn | shdrr: i see some nonsense rules there |
| 12:05.00 | shdrr | shoot |
| 12:05.01 | valdyn | shdrr: but you probably know that |
| 12:05.27 | shdrr | which ones valdyn? |
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| 12:06.03 | valdyn | shdrr: for example, the first rule in your INPUT chain makes all subsequent rules useless (they wont ever be used) |
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| 12:07.29 | shdrr | hmm yeah that's weird, I don't have that in my file |
| 12:08.03 | valdyn | shdrr: run "iptables -F" and then iptables-restore.. |
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| 12:09.53 | shdrr | oh that first rule was for loopback valdyn |
| 12:09.58 | valdyn | actually iptables-restore should run that flush anyway |
| 12:10.05 | shdrr | -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 12:10.13 | cdb23ax | ok i ll reset the windoof password with sethc.exe |
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| 12:10.52 | valdyn | shdrr: thats nonsense too |
| 12:11.19 | shdrr | okay |
| 12:11.48 | valdyn | shdrr: dont mess with lo, i dont even know if it works, but if it did its still nonsense |
| 12:11.57 | shdrr | aight |
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| 12:12.39 | shdrr | the red things i marked in my image are still there when i run iptables -L |
| 12:13.17 | valdyn | shdrr: they are gone after "iptables -F" |
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| 12:14.23 | shdrr | im stupid |
| 12:14.25 | shdrr | :D |
| 12:14.51 | shdrr | seems like everything is in order then |
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| 12:15.08 | valdyn | shdrr: i doubt that |
| 12:15.21 | shdrr | in a SNAFU way that is |
| 12:15.40 | valdyn | shdrr: i mean: the rules are bad |
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| 12:16.04 | shdrr | all? |
| 12:16.34 | valdyn | shdrr: i cant see what it looks like now |
| 12:17.29 | shdrr | http://i.imgur.com/7Jjsngm.png |
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| 12:19.19 | valdyn | shdrr: looks ok, i cant say if it does what you want of course |
| 12:19.57 | shdrr | pretty much ssh local only, and then ports open for a teamspeak server |
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| 12:20.47 | valdyn | shdrr: that drop ssh should be redundant |
| 12:21.59 | shdrr | maybe |
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| 12:34.34 | cdb23ax | ok pw reset is done |
| 12:34.40 | cdb23ax | sethc.exe trick -> http://img4host.net/upload/3113243654ccc984db484.png |
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| 12:44.06 | axel_fly | who is working on gnome-software in testing |
| 12:44.09 | axel_fly | ? |
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| 12:44.28 | yskapell | hello all |
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| 12:45.31 | yskapell | When I plug my usb keyboard on a debian stable I get this in dmesg "generic-usb: probe of 0003:04D9:A055.0005 failed with error -22" |
| 12:45.39 | yskapell | any tip on this? |
| 12:47.43 | yskapell | All usb modules are loaded |
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| 13:23.23 | aeg | new install with RAID 1 . install says 'unable to install Grub in /dev/sda' what could be the problem ? |
| 13:23.57 | farkbarn | aeg, error layer 8 XD |
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| 13:24.27 | aeg | farkbarn: are that the debian crystals ? |
| 13:24.53 | farkbarn | aeg, jajaja joke |
| 13:24.59 | aeg | lol |
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| 13:26.34 | hassoon_flies | i installed wicd to manage the wireless Networks, but after trying to connect to the said wifi modem, i got these errors echoed in the konsole http://paste.debian.net/143199/ , can anyopne help ?i use debian 7 |
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| 13:26.41 | hassoon_flies | that was in i3 wm |
| 13:27.01 | hassoon_flies | but when i switched ti the kde plasma DE, i could connect normally with the Grapgical network manager |
| 13:27.07 | hassoon_flies | *to the* |
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| 13:31.39 | dutchfish | yskapell, i think its broken on detection for that keyboard, see also: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg62270.html |
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| 13:32.31 | dutchfish | yskapell, if you are handy with self compiling kernels, you might triage it with http://www.skip.org/misc/trust-gxt-18-keyboard-linux.patch |
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| 13:42.39 | dutchfish | hassoon_flies, maybe have a peak at `man wpa_passphrase` |
| 13:43.42 | hassoon_flies | what a oain..will look sir |
| 13:43.45 | hassoon_flies | *pain* |
| 13:43.58 | dutchfish | hassoon_flies, for storing the hash for the wpa supplicant |
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| 13:44.35 | hassoon_flies | dutchfish: sorry i'm beginner and i might get things slowly |
| 13:44.40 | dutchfish | hassoon_flies, in wpa supplicant.conf |
| 13:44.59 | dutchfish | hassoon_flies, its on the debian wiki pages under wifi |
| 13:45.01 | hassoon_flies | ah wpa is a command .. |
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| 13:45.20 | dutchfish | !wifi |
| 13:45.20 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 13:45.21 | hassoon_flies | dutchfish: ah should i just read the wifi page if wiki.debian ? |
| 13:45.25 | hassoon_flies | alright |
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| 13:46.05 | dutchfish | hassoon_flies, as a start, but inshort to your question, the SSID password is stored as a hash which can be computer as i said |
| 13:46.09 | hassoon_flies | dutchfish: things just work automatically fine in the kde plasma DE, but i switched to i3, and i didn't get connected to my wifi modem automatically as i used to be in kde |
| 13:46.34 | dutchfish | hassoon_flies, yes, other WM's do or dont have that functionality |
| 13:46.43 | hassoon_flies | dutchfish: ah i see |
| 13:46.54 | hassoon_flies | i3 is among the second groupd :op |
| 13:46.56 | hassoon_flies | **:o |
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| 13:47.16 | dutchfish | !wpasupplicant |
| 13:47.16 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 13:47.48 | shdrr | I can't start my teamspeak server because it can't access the database, the database is on the same machine and mysql is running. The error I get is "transport endpoint is not connected mysql" |
| 13:47.56 | hassoon_flies | okey let me read what you've given to me dutchfish |
| 13:48.06 | dutchfish | hassoon_flies, have fun |
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| 13:48.28 | Halcyforn | hello. |
| 13:49.34 | Halcyforn | can someone tell me one thing sorr for my english. have debian option to downgrade kernel and xorg to : Xorg 6.9 to Xserver 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4 |
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| 13:50.59 | hassoon_flies | khalad_: ... |
| 13:51.17 | hassoon_flies | khalad_: this is an english debian support channel, not an arabic one |
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| 13:53.18 | Halcyforn | hmm |
| 13:53.28 | Halcyforn | maybe i must use translator to question |
| 13:54.39 | khalad_ | Reid Help carried wine program to run windows programs in Debian jessie but not activated did I spend the night program Cisco_Packet_Tracer |
| 13:55.08 | khalad_ | I want to help carried the wine program to run windows programs in Debian jessie but not activated I can not spend the night program Cisco_Packet_Tracer |
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| 13:58.41 | Halcyforn | i need: debian is to oversell Is the downgrade to Xorg Xserver 6.9 is 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4 to install graphic drivers. can debian downgrade this things to this version? if yes tell me how |
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| 14:01.31 | abrotman | Halcyforn: which version of Debian? |
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| 14:01.55 | abrotman | !pl |
| 14:01.56 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
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| 14:02.21 | colo_gdf | hi |
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| 14:03.59 | Halcyforn | abortman i think this what have actual repositories. i must reinstall linux on dad notebook he use now suse but they stop support last version what can use amd legacy drivers for hd4500. |
| 14:04.06 | colo_gdf | how can I get the weezy netinstall installer image get to generate a network config like the following? http://paste.debian.net/143210/ |
| 14:04.29 | colo_gdf | if my gw lies outside the local network, it understandably complains and won't let me finish that config step |
| 14:04.45 | colo_gdf | however, I need to have this config for the installation as well |
| 14:05.17 | abrotman | colo_gdf: Right, it wouldn't know how to route |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | Halcyforn: So what are you asking for? |
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| 14:06.39 | colo_gdf | abrotman, an "interfaces"-file like that works just fine in another virtualized host on thta machine; the pointtopoint statement seems to set up the routing table just fine |
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| 14:10.00 | nkuttler | colo_gdf: i'd assume that's possible with preseeding, check the install manual |
| 14:10.36 | nkuttler | oh.. during install.. not so sure if *that* can be automated.. |
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| 14:11.40 | colo_gdf | nkuttler, I'm fine with just tapering over the problem manually, actually ;) |
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| 14:12.14 | colo_gdf | the other option is to install from a more complete installation medium (not netinstall), and fix the config after installation |
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| 14:12.28 | colo_gdf | but that's kinda.... ugh. |
| 14:12.32 | Halcyforn | abrotman i ask how to downgrade 2 programs: Xorg Xserver 6.9 is 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4. i think the last stable version because is easy to download and have active repositories. why downgrade because drivers need this version kernel and xorg server |
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| 14:15.01 | abrotman | Halcyforn: why would you want to download? Just use the Radeon OSS driver |
| 14:16.00 | Halcyforn | OSS this standard? |
| 14:16.12 | Halcyforn | you are creazy yes? |
| 14:16.51 | Halcyforn | overheeat because 2 graphic cards work at the same moment. |
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| 14:17.04 | Halcyforn | this is notebook i need hybrid crossfire |
| 14:17.08 | aeg | how do i run "grub-install' from the (net) install shell? I can only find it on the /target ... i that normal ? |
| 14:17.12 | Halcyforn | hd3200 and hd 4500 |
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| 14:18.18 | tomte | hi! I got an older acer 51004 with an amd xpress1100/200 and I'm not sure it is running at "full power" |
| 14:18.25 | tomte | how can I check this? |
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| 14:19.11 | tomte | I hooked up an external monitor and it is flickering (not the cable, not the monitor) and I can't belive that this card is not able to sustain a 1920x 1080 resolution |
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| 14:42.34 | jerng | hi all! I have to USB-Wireless adapters, one is connected to local wifi. How to find out which one it is? |
| 14:42.42 | abrotman | two? |
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| 14:42.48 | jerng | yes |
| 14:42.57 | jerng | s/to/two |
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| 14:43.44 | thnee | So I am trying out Jessie, and the GTK theming in Gnome Flashback is just not working that well.. Is it possible to run the actual Gnome 2 in Jessie? |
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| 14:43.52 | abrotman | use dmesg and ifconfig to see which device has which name, and which one has an IP |
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| 14:43.58 | jerng | I know the "device-ids" (lsusb) but for me the link is missing between device-id <--> wlan0/wlan1 |
| 14:44.02 | abrotman | thnee: no, but MATE is available |
| 14:44.17 | abrotman | if oyu'd actually want to run such a thing |
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| 14:45.22 | jokoon | hello |
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| 14:46.47 | jokoon | what debian image should I download for a mac book pro 5,5 ? I see many architectures, but I don't know which to choose |
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| 14:46.48 | thnee | abrotman: oh that looks useful! hope it's integrated properly, will try, thanks |
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| 14:48.57 | axel_fly | jokoon: I would choose amd64 |
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| 14:50.03 | axel_fly | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:51.02 | jokoon | I can't remember how to use refind |
| 14:52.09 | jokoon | are there people who run linux on their macs here ? |
| 14:52.22 | wsky | only in a vm |
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| 15:01.48 | petn-randall | jokoon: Either amd64 if it's an Intel CPU, or powerpc if it's an old one. |
| 15:02.02 | jokoon | its an intel yes |
| 15:02.33 | jokoon | but its not an amd, but historically amd invented the 64 bits x86 |
| 15:02.41 | jokoon | that's why its called amd64 |
| 15:02.50 | jokoon | slightly confusing |
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| 15:07.45 | axel_fly | x64 would be a neither name |
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| 15:24.21 | jhutchins | ia64 is the Intel 64bit-only architecture. |
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| 15:26.25 | abrotman | jhutchins: Try not to confuse things. ia64 is one of the 64bit Intel architectures. And it is not found in a Mac |
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| 15:27.47 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 15:28.04 | johnfg | Just installed jessie in a vm. chose cinammon as the DE. |
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| 15:30.08 | johnfg | I'm getting a msg/error about running in `software rendering mode`. |
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| 15:30.40 | mtn | johnfg: check your vm video settings |
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| 15:30.50 | johnfg | As I got the same msg/error from another distro running cinammon in a vm, I wondered if there's any workaround for the problem? |
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| 15:31.08 | johnfg | mtn: They are SPICE/qxl. |
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| 15:31.26 | mtn | johnfg: sorry, means nothing to me |
| 15:31.44 | johnfg | gnome 3 and mate both have run fine as DE's in a vm. |
| 15:31.52 | mtn | johnfg: but, the vm controls the video settings, which control how the os deals with the video |
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| 15:35.36 | johnfg | mtn: Right, and there's not a whole lot of choices, and I think the best is what I've selected, SPICE/qxl. |
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| 15:36.13 | mtn | johnfg: perhaps try the channel or forums for your vm? |
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| 15:41.29 | johnfg | mtn: Thanks, I'll see if there is one. |
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| 15:45.42 | FatInSpace | Hi guys. running "lspci -v" shows that my eth0 runs on MSI , but has the ability to use MSI-X, "Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+" and "Capabilities: [b0] MSI-X: Enable- Count=4 Masked-" why did it chose to use MSI over MSI-X? how should i tell it to use MSI-X instead of MSI? my usb3 on the other hand does work on M |
| 15:45.42 | FatInSpace | SI-X. |
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| 16:00.52 | ooze | Hi. I just installed a new raid card and have set up the drives accordingly, but I'm not seeing these new VDs mounted in the system |
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| 16:01.05 | ooze | Do I need to mount them myself or should they just be present if the rest has been done correctly? |
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| 16:03.22 | hikenboot | getting this error trying to do a dist upgrade to testing from wheezy stable http://paste.debian.net/143219/ this is my apt-cache policy information. http://paste.debian.net/143218/ |
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| 16:09.44 | Zerock | Is there a way to apt-get download a package and all its deps for a given architecture? I need to bring some software to an offline machine. |
| 16:10.45 | hikenboot | I have a bunch of build chroot's so reinstalling isnt an option, with out a hell of a lot of work. any ideas how i can manage to get the upgrade to complete without installing 1000 packages (the chain of dependants is huge can I downgrade those packages without the dependencies or something else less destructive |
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| 16:11.24 | abrotman | Zerock: apt-zip perhaps, not sure about for another arch |
| 16:11.25 | somiaj | Zerock: yes, trying to think of the names of the packages. |
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| 16:12.28 | phogg | isn't that what apt-move and other mirror management tools are for? |
| 16:12.41 | somiaj | hikenboot: you might have to provdie more info, what debian version are y ou trying to upgrade, or are you trying to upgrade the chroots? Are the chroots different debian versions? |
| 16:12.42 | ooze | Anyone have an idea about my predicament? |
| 16:12.54 | pipl | Zerock: apt-get install --download-only |
| 16:13.13 | Zerock | pipl: And where do the files go? |
| 16:13.15 | Zerock | Into the cache? |
| 16:13.23 | somiaj | ooze: you probably have to mount them yourself the first time, and then configure fstab so they are mounted at boot correctly. |
| 16:13.23 | phogg | Zerock: yes |
| 16:13.27 | Zerock | Hmm. |
| 16:13.35 | hikenboot | sorry here is the link there was a freenode screw up here is my links again getting this error trying to do a dist upgrade to testing from wheezy stable http://paste.debian.net/143219/ this is my apt-cache policy information. http://paste.debian.net/143218/ |
| 16:13.40 | Zerock | Can that be redirected to the working directory? |
| 16:13.41 | hikenboot | wheezy to testing |
| 16:13.59 | somiaj | hikenboot: what is your error? |
| 16:14.15 | hikenboot | http://paste.debian.net/143219/ |
| 16:14.31 | hikenboot | its package conflicts |
| 16:14.56 | hikenboot | I think i have a couple mixed versions cause I executed a couple commands outside the chroot when I thought I was inside |
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| 16:15.38 | hikenboot | the mixed packages should be from testing so i am not sure why it wont upgrade to testing |
| 16:15.39 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 16:15.40 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 16:15.59 | Akuw | where i can get libsqlmy.so ? |
| 16:16.06 | ompaul | hikenboot: so firstly what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:16.07 | ooze | somiaj: Could you point me to some documentation on that please? I'm pretty cluelss, I've always had drives auto mounted for me |
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| 16:16.14 | hikenboot | hold on will paste |
| 16:16.22 | opal | Hello. Is a firewall needed if I use Linux on public wifi? |
| 16:16.54 | rozie | opal: depend what services you have running |
| 16:17.05 | somiaj | ooze: automounters are usually triggered on hotplug events, so if you just create a raid the event doesn't triger the automounter. I would just asy man mount, it is fairly straight forward how to mount a device. |
| 16:17.05 | ompaul | opal: what rozie said is accurate - |
| 16:17.10 | hikenboot | http://paste.debian.net/143220/ |
| 16:17.21 | abrotman | what publicly accessible daemons .. not local services |
| 16:17.32 | opal | rozie: Standard installation of Debian or Ubuntu |
| 16:17.34 | pipl | Zerock: there is a way to specify custom apt cache. using apt options. |
| 16:17.47 | rozie | opal: there's no such thing as "standard" |
| 16:17.52 | somiaj | hikenboot: you have some conflict somewhere, what you pated doesn't make it clear. First texlive-common is no longer used, and should be removed during the upgrade. |
| 16:18.07 | somiaj | hikenboot: but since as you said you have some things mixed, you may haev to track down exactly what the conflict is and deal with it |
| 16:18.18 | somiaj | hikenboot: one way to deal with it is remove all texlive packages, upgrade, then reinstall them. |
| 16:18.28 | rozie | pipl: can you change entries in sources.list? |
| 16:18.43 | somiaj | hikenboot: I would also use 'jessie' in your sources.list and not 'testing' as it appears you have. |
| 16:18.45 | hikenboot | will the dependencies stop working if i do that so the upgrade would fail |
| 16:19.04 | hikenboot | ok thanks for that info somiaj |
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| 16:19.13 | pipl | what do you want to achieve by doing that ? |
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| 16:19.29 | hikenboot | I am trying to get everything on jessie |
| 16:19.38 | somiaj | hikenboot: again my suggestion is remove the texlive packages (all of them) so you can do the upgrade without this dependency error you have to track down. After you sucessfully upgrade you can then reinstall the texlive suit |
| 16:19.44 | pipl | rozie: what do you want to achieve by doing that ? |
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| 16:20.39 | hikenboot | ok i will do that but I will tell it not to remove the dependencies. I seem to rememer apt-get remove switches that will do that |
| 16:21.00 | somiaj | hikenboot: apt-get will not remove depednencies, but it will remove things that depend on texlive |
| 16:21.17 | somiaj | hikenboot: apt-get makes you run autoremove if you want to remove automatic packages that were installed. aptitude would remove them by default. |
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| 16:21.43 | hikenboot | but I can override that effect (yes/no)? so i can do the least damage possible? |
| 16:21.46 | somiaj | hikenboot: keep a list of what is removed, you can just install it later. I think this will be easier than trackign down the conflict you have. |
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| 16:22.03 | hikenboot | ok no problem |
| 16:22.08 | somiaj | hikenboot: if you use apt-get it removes only things that it has to, so you don't have a broken system. |
| 16:22.18 | hikenboot | ok |
| 16:22.26 | somiaj | hikenboot: dpkg -l | grep texlive (probabaly a good place to start) |
| 16:22.28 | ompaul | hikenboot: did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or were you doing upgrade? |
| 16:23.00 | hikenboot | No this occured when i tried doing the dist-upgrade, but didnt actually execute an installs |
| 16:23.03 | ompaul | somiaj: even so that is all in the logs ;-) |
| 16:23.05 | Akuw | getting error when try to run DBDesigner4, unable to load libsqlmy.so |
| 16:23.05 | Akuw | i use locate but i can't find that file |
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| 16:23.16 | somiaj | hikenboot: not this should not remove your config files, and any user data should be safe, just is a bit more work for you to get back to a working system. |
| 16:23.23 | ompaul | hikenboot: apt-get update now please and post its output |
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| 16:23.33 | hikenboot | ok |
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| 16:24.16 | pipl | Akuw: use packages.debian.org to find which package contains that file. |
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| 16:24.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Akuw about apt-file |
| 16:24.49 | hikenboot | http://paste.debian.net/143222/ |
| 16:25.07 | pipl | Akuw: yep. apt-file is another option. |
| 16:25.09 | hikenboot | didnt actually execute it yet |
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| 16:27.00 | hikenboot | ompaul if you think its safe to execute it i will, I just wanted your opinion first |
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| 16:27.54 | ompaul | hikenboot: eh let me see I wouldn't be in favour of you having a broken box |
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| 16:28.10 | hikenboot | lol as if its not already |
| 16:28.15 | ompaul | so yes I think updating your repo now is important it isn't doing the stuff |
| 16:28.29 | somiaj | hikenboot: the standard rule is make sure you have backups, because espically with the number of software you have installed there is no guarntee. That being said, you have some issue on your box and you just got to work though it until you are runny a fully in stalled jessie system. |
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| 16:28.57 | somiaj | hikenboot: I'd hit yes, but I'd also be prepared to deal with anything that happens afterwards (: |
| 16:29.01 | hikenboot | ok so i will change the sources to jessie instead of testing then upgrade |
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| 16:29.21 | somiaj | hikenboot: that shouldn't do anythign now, it will just save you headache after jessie becomes stable. |
| 16:29.37 | somiaj | hikenboot: as in it is best to use codenames, not the stable/testing links |
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| 16:29.58 | hikenboot | well it cant hurt so i will fix now.. |
| 16:30.04 | polyphagia | do we know what the next version of debian is called now? |
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| 16:30.07 | polyphagia | yet* |
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| 16:31.02 | somiaj | polyphagia: the next two releases ahve had their codenames set. streech will be next |
| 16:31.14 | polyphagia | what's after that? |
| 16:31.15 | somiaj | I forget what the one after that is, but I belive it has also been picked |
| 16:31.16 | polyphagia | o |
| 16:31.34 | somiaj | arg stretch |
| 16:31.41 | polyphagia | i dig it |
| 16:31.42 | somiaj | me and the english langauges don't get along |
| 16:31.47 | pipl | somiaj: an ugly name compared to jessie or wheezy. |
| 16:32.06 | hikenboot | this wouldnt have happened had i remembered to set the chroot command prompt to something obvious...live and learn |
| 16:32.26 | somiaj | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 16:32.40 | polyphagia | buster |
| 16:32.43 | polyphagia | awesome |
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| 16:33.14 | Akuw | thz abrot |
| 16:33.24 | polyphagia | thanks somiaj |
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| 16:38.25 | ooze | Is there a difference between /mnt and /media? Are they interchangeable if I'd rather have the drive mounted in /media rather than /mnt? |
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| 16:39.20 | somiaj | ooze: personal choice, usually autmounters put things in /media/foo while /mnt is a single dir. But you can ofcourse design/configure it for your prefs |
| 16:39.29 | somiaj | ooze: I personally use /mnt and /usb for my removable mount points |
| 16:39.59 | somiaj | only thing you have to worry about is automounters and what other software may be using so you don't have a conflict |
| 16:39.59 | Akuw | apt-file search libsqlmy show no results |
| 16:40.08 | Akuw | cd /lib |
| 16:40.35 | somiaj | Akuw: why do you think there is a lib by that name? |
| 16:41.30 | abrotman | Akuw: you mean libmysql ? |
| 16:41.34 | Akuw | the error showed says Unable to load libsqlmy.so |
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| 16:41.56 | pipl | Akuw: using packages.debian.org, libmysqlmy.so is only in package teamspeak-server |
| 16:42.14 | pipl | i mean libsqlmy.so |
| 16:42.14 | somiaj | Akuw: what software is this? Could be a lib for that software and not a standard shared lib? |
| 16:43.11 | Akuw | DBDesigner4 |
| 16:43.49 | Akuw | http://picpaste.com/error-QT8iP5hA.png |
| 16:45.26 | abrotman | Akuw: FWIW, tora is packaged in Debian |
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| 16:46.39 | Akuw | ? |
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| 16:47.34 | abrotman | judd: info tora |
| 16:47.35 | judd | Package tora (misc, optional) in wheezy/i386: graphical toolkit for database developers and administrators. Version: 2.1.3-2; Size: 8340.6k; Installed: 12336k; Homepage: http://www.torasql.com; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/tora |
| 16:47.39 | ooze | somiaj: so I just ran 'mount /dev/sdd /media/test', but it says I must specify the filesystem type |
| 16:47.41 | ooze | Where would I do that? |
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| 16:51.07 | somiaj | ooze: have you put a file system on the partition or just created the partition? |
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| 16:51.26 | somiaj | ooze: maybe you should use some graphical tool like gparted it can not only control partitions, it can put files systems on them and mount them |
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| 16:51.38 | ooze | It's one drive hooked up to my perc 6/i card |
| 16:52.01 | ooze | Yeah I tried installing gparted on my server but I had some ubuntu repos that conflicted and I ended up breaking gnome |
| 16:52.09 | ooze | So I haven't had the chance to fix all of that yet |
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| 16:52.12 | ooze | I'm stuck w/ cli |
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| 16:52.41 | Akuw | i installed tora |
| 16:52.47 | Akuw | but got same error |
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| 16:53.37 | somiaj | ooze: are you running debian or ubunut, sound slike you have other issues if you have conflits liek that |
| 16:53.51 | ooze | Yeah, plenty of other conflicts |
| 16:53.53 | ooze | I'm running Debian |
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| 16:54.11 | ooze | I'm thinking instead of trying to repair gnome I might just install something else |
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| 16:56.34 | ooze | gg battery |
| 16:56.37 | ooze | brb |
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| 17:01.40 | polyphagia | how can i get a list of all packages that depend on a certain package? |
| 17:02.47 | pipl | polyphagia: apt-cache depends xyz |
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| 17:02.57 | polyphagia | thanks |
| 17:03.44 | pipl | polyphagia: i mean apt-cache rdepends xyz. sorry |
| 17:03.56 | polyphagia | oh there we go |
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| 17:11.08 | hikenboot | ok that was successful but when i do an apt-get dist-upgrade it warns of conflicts still, should i just go ahead? |
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| 17:12.58 | FatInSpace | Hi guys. running "lspci -v" shows that my eth0 runs on MSI , but has the ability to use MSI-X, "Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+" and "Capabilities: [b0] MSI-X: Enable- Count=4 Masked-" why did it chose to use MSI over MSI-X? how should i tell it to use MSI-X instead of MSI? my usb3 on the other hand does work on M |
| 17:12.58 | FatInSpace | SI-X. |
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| 17:18.13 | Tau | hello. |
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| 17:18.27 | Tau | i need a solution for java working with iceweasel. |
| 17:18.38 | Tau | i'm really disappointed with it. |
| 17:18.47 | Tau | i cant access my bank account from iceweasel. |
| 17:19.00 | Tau | i dont know why the hell it fails. |
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| 17:19.05 | DelphiWorld | yo |
| 17:19.08 | petn-randall | Tau: What error do you get? |
| 17:19.09 | DelphiWorld | how to flush iptables ruls? |
| 17:19.10 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 17:19.11 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 17:19.16 | DelphiWorld | iptables --flush lead to ssh loss |
| 17:19.21 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.25 | Tau | then i tried with chrome |
| 17:19.34 | Tau | then it says an error occured. |
| 17:19.39 | Tau | but it doesnt tell the error. |
| 17:19.40 | petn-randall | DelphiWorld: man iptables says -F. |
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| 17:20.05 | petn-randall | Tau: Which java plugin do you have installed? |
| 17:20.16 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.36 | Tau | i have icedtea and shokewave |
| 17:20.40 | DelphiWorld | petn-randall: iptables -F lead to ssh loss |
| 17:20.46 | Tau | shockwave. |
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| 17:21.00 | Tau | i keep constantly getting msgs that the plugin is outdated. |
| 17:21.18 | DelphiWorld | if i do: iptables -F i got ssh loss |
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| 17:22.03 | Tau | how could i remove shockwave? |
| 17:22.29 | hutab_ | update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 17:22.59 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.04 | Tau | if i remember well. |
| 17:23.34 | Tau | okay |
| 17:23.40 | Tau | trying to update that. |
| 17:23.49 | hutab_ | ah ok, im new just did that update and im fine now |
| 17:24.05 | hikenboot | well went ahead with the dist-upgrade...guess we will see |
| 17:24.53 | ompaul | hikenboot: did you do it as root outside of X |
| 17:25.11 | ompaul | hikenboot: if it fails there are a couple of default modes |
| 17:25.16 | ompaul | apt-get -f install |
| 17:25.20 | ompaul | that helps some times |
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| 17:25.31 | hutab_ | Tau: cant u uninstall with dpkg? |
| 17:25.32 | ompaul | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:25.34 | ompaul | after it |
| 17:25.44 | ompaul | hikenboot: if it stops |
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| 17:25.52 | ompaul | hikenboot: there are many ways from here to there etc |
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| 17:27.29 | Tau | hutab when i do dpkg -l shockwave i dont get any pattern. |
| 17:28.22 | hikenboot | ok lets hope this works....make sure i never make that mistake again! |
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| 17:29.18 | ompaul | I will not, that is your responsibility |
| 17:29.31 | hutab_ | dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree shows me something... but if u have something different... |
| 17:29.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching flashplugin-nonfree shows me something... but if u have something different... |
| 17:29.41 | ompaul | hope is a foolish thing, it will either work, or you need more information etc |
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| 17:30.23 | pipl | i thought dpkg was just a bot ._. |
| 17:30.26 | viruser | Hello. I have installed kde by installing kde-standard meta. However, when i try to update some of the settings, i get a "updating system configuration" window that never goes away |
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| 17:31.16 | hutab_ | Tau: have u tried a search via aptitude? |
| 17:31.19 | ompaul | viruser: apt-get install kde-desktop come back to me after that - btw please log out first |
| 17:31.29 | Tau | hutab i'll try via apt-cache. |
| 17:31.40 | ompaul | Tau: you need to know if you installed something etc |
| 17:31.54 | ompaul | that isn't from debian the debian tools won't help |
| 17:32.02 | Tau | i get gnash but that is not what i have installed. |
| 17:32.04 | viruser | ompaul: E: Unable to locate package kde-desktop |
| 17:32.16 | ompaul | viruser: uname -a please |
| 17:32.17 | Tau | ompaul i dont remember how i installed shockwave. |
| 17:32.22 | Tau | it lists only on iceweasel. |
| 17:32.28 | ompaul | Tau: I can't help you. |
| 17:32.48 | Tau | i think i have installed shockwave through it |
| 17:32.51 | Tau | # Install java-package to build a oracle package. |
| 17:32.52 | Tau | apt-get install java-package |
| 17:34.15 | damjan | shockwave ?? |
| 17:34.55 | Tau | i guess so. |
| 17:35.09 | Tau | i have downloaded that package then built the java package etc. |
| 17:35.26 | viruser | Do you mean kde-full? |
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| 17:36.25 | viruser | ompaul: Sorry i got disconnected. kde-desktop doesn't exist. Do you mean kde-full? E: Unable to locate package kde-desktop |
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| 18:00.37 | dodo | Hi, i know a little about cpufreq-utils to change the governor, but is there a way to limit the frecuency of the cpu? |
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| 18:06.29 | towo` | dodo, theoretical yes |
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| 18:14.08 | valdyn | dodo: you can limit it, but depending on cpu that does not restrict temperature or power usage |
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| 18:14.49 | valdyn | dodo: you can limit it, but depending on cpu that does not *reduce* temperature or power usage |
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| 18:20.13 | FatInSpace | I'm trying to change the interrupt moderation of my NIC using "ethtool -c eth0" i get output: "Cannot get device coalesce settings: Operation not supported" it means the NIC i'm using doesnt support interrupt moderation or? |
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| 18:27.01 | valdyn | FatInSpace: Works on my Intel GE, does not work on my realtek GE |
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| 18:27.44 | FatInSpace | valdyn: what causes it not to work on the realtek? (i my self use realtek as well) |
| 18:27.59 | FatInSpace | is it the nic that doesnt support it? or the driver? |
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| 18:30.43 | valdyn | FatInSpace: driver issue it seems |
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| 18:32.04 | FatInSpace | valdyn: any way around it? im kinda new to linux |
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| 18:32.29 | valdyn | FatInSpace: probably not, this feature is not really useful anyway |
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| 18:34.59 | FatInSpace | valdyn: I need it to reduce the amount of acknowledge my little server make, since my upload speed is very low compared to the download speed. so at full download speed it uses almost my whole upload speed, and if i was able to change the interrupt moderation, i could make it send less acknowledges which would use less upload |
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| 18:35.28 | valdyn | FatInSpace: that makes no sense at all |
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| 18:35.44 | valdyn | FatInSpace: interrupt moderation cannot change the ip protocol |
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| 18:37.08 | valdyn | FatInSpace: 80 mbyte/sec download causes acks wort like 250kbyte/sec upload. That ratio should not be a problem |
| 18:37.26 | valdyn | FatInSpace: but that ratio will be very different Ãf theres a vpn involved |
| 18:37.37 | FatInSpace | valdyn: you're right, but it makes you reply less often with ack. was using wireshark on windows with intel CT, and saw how changing the interrupt moderation does this effect. setting it to "high" makes it use less upload |
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| 18:38.24 | valdyn | FatInSpace: interrupt moderation collects packets in order to reduce interrupts, not in order to reduce packets |
| 18:39.52 | evilman_home | FatInSpace: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/application-note/gbe-controllers-interrupt-moderation-appl-note.pdf - read this paper about interrupt moderation. |
| 18:39.55 | FatInSpace | valdyn: yes. i know, but it also does this effect as well. setting the intel card on extreme , on 500mbit download it uses 2mbit upload. disabling interrupt moderation downloading at 500mbit uses 10mbit of upload (my whole upload speed) |
| 18:40.02 | valdyn | FatInSpace: ack is a different layer, theres no way interrupt moderation can change the number of ack |
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| 18:42.13 | evilman_home | FatInSpace: if you want reduce cpu load on end host, you also can use the offloading features of your NIC like gso/gro/tso/etc.. |
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| 18:43.45 | valdyn | FatInSpace: ok, maybe as a side effect of your interrupt moderation the tcp window size changes |
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| 18:44.04 | valdyn | FatInSpace: you can change the window size *without* interrupt moderation support, so that is probably what you want |
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| 18:44.15 | mike11 | ahhhhhh |
| 18:44.33 | valdyn | FatInSpace: usually linux gets this better than what interrupt moderation does, maybe not in your case |
| 18:44.42 | mike11 | trying to edit sources.list |
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| 18:44.57 | valdyn | FatInSpace: or you want to sacrifice an unusual amount of latency in order to reduce upload bandwidth |
| 18:45.08 | evilman_home | interrupt moderation doesn't effect to window size. |
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| 18:45.23 | valdyn | evilman_home: not directly |
| 18:45.34 | valdyn | evilman_home: it *obviously* does indirectly, he benchmarked that |
| 18:45.50 | mike11 | i enter root password and it accepts it then unchecks selections in "downloadable from the internet" |
| 18:45.53 | mike11 | plz help |
| 18:46.01 | FatInSpace | valdyn: here, i've made now a simple test to show you that. i used iperf on my windows and debian machine. here interrupt it disabled: http://i.imgur.com/iGovOMX.png you can see it uses almost 20mbit of acknowledge. then running the same test just after changing the interrupt to extreme it uses much less upload: http://i.imgur.com/Bx0zQY7.png |
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| 18:46.25 | valdyn | FatInSpace: I already believed you and give you the workaround ;) |
| 18:46.36 | valdyn | s/give/gave/ |
| 18:46.39 | FatInSpace | let me read again then :) |
| 18:47.08 | evilman_home | if you want maximal performance - use right NIC with RSS support, MSI-X and offloadings, also linux supports of various congestion control algorithms. |
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| 18:47.49 | valdyn | FatInSpace: but you need to keep in mind that doing this "workaround" will effectively work to the contrary of what you want if theres packet loss |
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| 18:48.49 | valdyn | FatInSpace: but thats the same deal with what your interrupt moderation did -> it will probably break performance at high packet loss |
| 18:49.52 | FatInSpace | evilman_home: i'm trying to reduce the upload bandwidth caused by ACKs. |
| 18:50.11 | FatInSpace | valdyn: changing the window size? is it done with sysctl? |
| 18:50.27 | evilman_home | change the congestion control algo |
| 18:50.38 | FatInSpace | im using htcp |
| 18:50.52 | evilman_home | try other |
| 18:51.08 | valdyn | http://www.slashroot.in/linux-network-tcp-performance-tuning-sysctl |
| 18:51.24 | evilman_home | also you can change the queue discipline. |
| 18:51.43 | evilman_home | to fq_codel. |
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| 18:52.45 | FatInSpace | this are the settings im using currently: http://dpaste.com/1N3CHRX gonna read now the article, and read about queue discipline |
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| 18:54.59 | FatInSpace | evilman_home: if i use gso and tso , then the speed from my linux to my windows machine is capped at 700mbit instead of 940mbit. |
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| 18:55.41 | evilman_home | depends of NIC. |
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| 18:55.58 | evilman_home | what NIC do you use? |
| 18:56.17 | FatInSpace | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 07) |
| 18:56.41 | FatInSpace | its working on MSI |
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| 19:00.13 | evilman_home | https://www.intelethernet-dell.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Intel_Dell_10GbE_PerformanceProfiles_WP_HI1.pdf |
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| 19:19.47 | FatInSpace | valdyn: the window size i'm using is already 16MB which is more than enough based on my BDP. the only thing so far i've noticed that reduced the amount of acks is enabling GRO, which was already set by default. and the other thing is interrupt moderation but since i cant control that with this adapter, i'm out of ideas. |
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| 19:20.43 | brentaarnold | Do any of you currently use Livestreamer? |
| 19:20.47 | FatInSpace | everything in the article there i already did when i installed the system to sysctl |
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| 19:31.59 | Thingymebob | anyone know how I get lightDM in wheezy to remember my last session rather than keep starting up gnome3 everytime I forget to change the session |
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| 19:32.50 | abrotman | Thingymebob: use your .xsession ? |
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| 19:33.13 | posseeDeestroyah | Hello. |
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| 19:34.35 | posseeDeestroyah | Does somebody know why xrandr --listproviders outputs me usage help? |
| 19:34.55 | posseeDeestroyah | I am on wheezy. |
| 19:35.28 | abrotman | posseeDeestroyah: did you check the man page to see if it is valid? |
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| 19:35.59 | Thingymebob | abrotman Duh! sometimes it's to obvious, I've been messing around in configs and on google for too long now, Thanks very much |
| 19:36.11 | posseeDeestroyah | It is not valid in man page, but some other people on forums can use it and nouveau prime manual says that I should use it. |
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| 19:56.01 | parsnip` | hello |
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| 19:56.13 | parsnip` | having trouble with using .Xresources. |
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| 19:58.58 | polyphagia | parsnip`: which |
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| 19:59.20 | parsnip` | i have xrdb ~/.Xresources I want to apply |
| 19:59.38 | parsnip` | I've tried putting it in .xinitrc, but doesn't seem to load. |
| 19:59.48 | polyphagia | pastebin the file |
| 19:59.56 | parsnip` | I'm about to try the last part of answer at http://superuser.com/questions/481470/autoload-xresources-when-system-is-started |
| 20:00.03 | polyphagia | oh it's not loading? |
| 20:00.06 | parsnip` | pastebin? that is all there is |
| 20:00.08 | polyphagia | but it works when you do it manually |
| 20:00.19 | parsnip` | yes, they are called from terminal |
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| 20:00.26 | polyphagia | did you try ~/.xsession |
| 20:00.29 | parsnip` | when i load Emacs from terminal, it works |
| 20:00.31 | parsnip` | yes |
| 20:00.53 | parsnip` | actually, no |
| 20:01.06 | parsnip` | there was no .session file, so somehow i skipped trying that. |
| 20:01.06 | polyphagia | debian uses ~/.xsession |
| 20:01.24 | parsnip` | aha. will logging out be sufficient to test, or should i restart? |
| 20:01.41 | polyphagia | it's whenever you start Xorg so it depends |
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| 20:02.00 | polyphagia | if you're using a full fledged DE env you might need a restart |
| 20:02.04 | polyphagia | idts though |
| 20:02.17 | polyphagia | just kill X if you want |
| 20:02.35 | parsnip` | hmm, how do i kill X? from terminal? or tty? |
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| 20:02.58 | polyphagia | what wm/de are you using? |
| 20:03.21 | parsnip` | it is kubuntu stock, i think it uses lightdm and KDE |
| 20:03.39 | parsnip` | but not sure |
| 20:04.03 | polyphagia | pretty sure killall xinit will restart it |
| 20:04.19 | polyphagia | >If you log in in graphical mode on an X display manager (xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, lightdm, â¦), traditionally, what is executed after you log in is some scripts in /etc/X11 then ~/.xsession. |
| 20:04.28 | polyphagia | so logging should be enough parsnip` |
| 20:05.01 | parsnip` | okay. thank you. and my IRC is on a remote, so i will be back. |
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| 20:08.51 | parsnip` | dang it, didn't work |
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| 20:12.42 | parsnip` | why does my .Xresources work from terminal but not from desktop? |
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| 20:22.40 | jhutchins | parsnip`: There are a number of possible files, some are mutually exclusive and depend on which window manager you use. |
| 20:23.28 | jhutchins | parsnip`: .xinitrc, .Xresources ... |
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| 20:24.43 | parsnip` | jhutchins: I think I've tried all of those. |
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| 20:25.19 | jhutchins | parsnip`: What window manager do you have, and whta are you trying to launch? |
| 20:25.27 | parsnip` | I use kubuntu |
| 20:26.00 | jhutchins | parsnip`: So kde. You need to find out how to start programs in a kde session. What are you trying to start? |
| 20:26.21 | jhutchins | parsnip`: I think kde has it's own startup program system, which is controlled through the settings menus. |
| 20:26.35 | parsnip` | I am trying to launch Emacs with some .Xresources presets. It works from terminal. |
| 20:26.59 | jhutchins | parsnip`: A lot of the start-up information is old, dating back before we had desktop environments with their own launchers. |
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| 20:27.29 | jhutchins | parsnip`: I take it this is an X compatible emacs? |
| 20:27.38 | jhutchins | parsnip`: Not one that launches in terminal? |
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| 20:27.53 | parsnip` | This is Emacs from Ubuntu PPA. |
| 20:28.01 | parsnip` | Snapshot, so 24.4+ |
| 20:28.01 | abrotman | parsnip`: Please go to #kubuntu |
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| 20:28.31 | parsnip` | i have, no reply |
| 20:28.36 | jhutchins | parsnip`: Sorry, I'm a vi user from way back, I know nothing specific about emacs. I'm trying to figure if it needs a console to run in or if it can run directly on X. Vi has versions that work each way. |
| 20:28.37 | ompaul | !PPA |
| 20:28.37 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 20:28.39 | abrotman | parsnip`: not our problem, we don't support i there |
| 20:28.44 | abrotman | it here |
| 20:28.55 | abrotman | parsnip`: Please use #kubuntu or maybe try ##linux |
| 20:29.10 | abrotman | or ask jhutchins to join you in #kubuntu |
| 20:29.39 | jhutchins | parsnip`: Anyway, look in the setup menus for KDE for "startup programs" or the like. |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | jhutchins: please go with him to #kubuntu |
| 20:29.55 | ompaul | jhutchins: hes on that other thing that isn't debian :) |
| 20:30.10 | parsnip` | not debian? |
| 20:30.18 | ompaul | ubuntu is not debian - |
| 20:30.26 | ompaul | kubuntu is not debian either |
| 20:30.35 | ompaul | ppa's are not for debian |
| 20:31.05 | ompaul | who knows what crack the dev was smoking if any when they did that thing that was outside the repo |
| 20:31.12 | jhutchins | parsnip`: Yea, sorry, you need #kubuntu or #ubuntu - they do configuration differently. |
| 20:31.18 | parsnip` | grumbles |
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| 20:31.27 | ompaul | !basedondebian |
| 20:31.29 | abrotman | jhutchins: seriously, go with him to #kubuntu |
| 20:31.37 | parsnip` | okay, thanks all |
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| 20:38.05 | polyphagia | alright so i need to report a bug for gnuboy, but there are 2 different versions |
| 20:38.09 | polyphagia | and x and sdl one |
| 20:38.11 | polyphagia | packages* |
| 20:38.23 | polyphagia | do i just list them both? |
| 20:38.34 | abrotman | the one that actually has the bug |
| 20:38.41 | polyphagia | they both have the bug |
| 20:38.46 | polyphagia | and it's the exact same |
| 20:38.50 | abrotman | because of an underlying library? |
| 20:38.57 | polyphagia | no because they're in the wrong section |
| 20:39.01 | polyphagia | they don't need to be in contrib anymore |
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| 20:39.05 | abrotman | wrong section? |
| 20:39.07 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 20:39.26 | polyphagia | i was told to make a bug report |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | which wrong section? |
| 20:39.38 | polyphagia | they need to be moved from contrib to main |
| 20:39.43 | abrotman | why is that? |
| 20:39.58 | polyphagia | because gnuboy is free software and has no dependencies on nonfree software or ROMs anymore |
| 20:40.09 | polyphagia | they were put into contrib because there were no free roms but now there are a few |
| 20:40.20 | abrotman | polyphagia: file a bug on the source package perhaps |
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| 20:40.29 | polyphagia | kk |
| 20:41.05 | polyphagia | abrotman: there are only gnuboy-x and gnuboy-sdl lol |
| 20:41.11 | polyphagia | i guess the maintainer will know |
| 20:41.17 | polyphagia | it's the same guy |
| 20:41.18 | abrotman | polyphagia: source package is the same for both .. |
| 20:41.26 | polyphagia | which is the source package? |
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| 20:42.05 | polyphagia | only two packages show up for apt-cache search gnuboy |
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| 20:43.10 | abrotman | polyphagia: man reportbug, you can file a bug on the source package with --src |
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| 20:44.18 | polyphagia | abrotman: what if i want to do it from email? |
| 20:44.43 | abrotman | polyphagia: check the format, I don't recall what it owuld be |
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| 20:46.45 | polyphagia | ok apparently it's just Source: <x> |
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| 20:46.53 | polyphagia | so i don't need Package: then abrotman ? |
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| 20:49.54 | polyphagia | yeah apparently not ok |
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| 20:56.57 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know if the debian installer has something like a PATH var? To use like: find the files at path=/somesubfolder/ ? |
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| 20:59.46 | abrotman | atari314: what kind of files? |
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| 21:00.55 | atari314 | abrotman, the netinstall files (I setup a syslinux in a pendrive) and stored the versions on folders, I can reach ´em from syslinux but during the install the isntaller can´t find ´em, prolly looking for ´em on / |
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| 21:01.40 | atari314 | abrotman, I found INSTALL_MEDIA_DEV=/dev/something but I can´t find a ¨INSTALL_MEDIA¨ for a fixed path |
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| 21:04.40 | atari314 | abrotman, either it doesn´t exist, or is not covered here: https://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/arm/ch05s03.html.en#installer-args |
| 21:04.56 | abrotman | why are you using lenny? |
| 21:05.41 | atari314 | ops |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | and why ARM? |
| 21:06.04 | atari314 | abrotman, my bad, got it from google, didn´t see it was from lenny/arm |
| 21:06.15 | atari314 | let me get the wheezy one for x86 |
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| 21:07.20 | atari314 | abrotman, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en yup, nothing there too |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | atari314: I'd try asking #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net Not sure you can do what you're asking |
| 21:08.29 | atari314 | abrotman, will try that, tks |
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| 21:08.39 | atari314 | yeah :( |
| 21:08.42 | atari314 | maybe it´s not possible |
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| 21:25.52 | e-anima | hm how can i switch my user so i get user@hostname. if i just type "su backuppc" i get a $ promt with no user@host |
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| 21:33.30 | robalni | e-anima: What does this command show you: grep backuppc /etc/passwd |
| 21:33.55 | shay_shay | whats the best thing to map capslock to? |
| 21:34.27 | e-anima | its shows me the entry for backuppc. also its lib path and /bin/sh |
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| 21:36.27 | polyphagia | how can i get a list of the packages a certain email/name is maintaining? |
| 21:36.34 | polyphagia | is that possible? |
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| 21:37.09 | polyphagia | shay_shay: escape ;) |
| 21:37.25 | robalni | e-anima: You can change the shell to bash if you run this command as root: usermod -s /bin/bash backuppc |
| 21:37.40 | robalni | and that will give you user@host |
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| 21:37.49 | e-anima | thx i think thats what i want to do |
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| 21:40.57 | jpitts | im attempting to launch autossh. this script worked, once upon a time, now it does not. the command line is: |
| 21:41.00 | jpitts | autossh -vv -i /etc/tunnel/id_dsa -o ControlPath none -R 12345:localhost:22 me@1.2.3.4 -N |
| 21:41.35 | jpitts | it returns âcommand line line 0: missing argumentâ |
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| 21:50.00 | robalni | polyphagia: apt-cache show '.*' | grep -B 4 '^Maintainer: Name Of Maintainer' |
| 21:50.45 | polyphagia | hot |
| 21:50.47 | polyphagia | thanks |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | polyphagia: or use the pts site |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | polyphagia: for example https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=cristian@debian.org |
| 21:52.44 | polyphagia | thanks guys |
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| 22:13.43 | jhutchins | robalni: Also chsh |
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| 22:22.33 | TheMissingBit | anyone know how to make a bootable windows usb |
| 22:22.35 | TheMissingBit | under debian |
| 22:22.42 | TheMissingBit | I tried DD but that made a nonbootable none |
| 22:24.00 | TheMissingBit | ? |
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| 22:24.28 | jhutchins | TheMissingBit: There's a special method. You might be able to use grub and an installed image, but probably better to do it with the Windows tools. |
| 22:24.32 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: Probably ask ##windows |
| 22:24.35 | mtn | TheMissingBit: should probably ask on a windows channel, as they know what it takes to make a bootable windows disk |
| 22:24.39 | jhutchins | TheMissingBit: Also: ##windows. |
| 22:24.40 | TheMissingBit | abrotman, they would have no idea |
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| 22:24.44 | TheMissingBit | ##windows wont know |
| 22:24.51 | mtn | neither do we ;) |
| 22:24.54 | TheMissingBit | They deal with windows software / os's |
| 22:25.03 | TheMissingBit | i just need a tool that can make bootable usbs under linux |
| 22:25.28 | mtn | dd is a good tool for that |
| 22:25.40 | TheMissingBit | > |
| 22:25.41 | TheMissingBit | <TheMissingBit> I tried DD but that made a nonbootable none |
| 22:25.52 | mtn | which is why to ask some windows folks |
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| 22:26.17 | TheMissingBit | >linux software |
| 22:26.28 | TheMissingBit | that's like going into an apple store to ask how to install debian... |
| 22:28.34 | abrotman | No, that'd be like going to an Apple store to ask how to install OSX .. |
| 22:28.39 | abrotman | amazing |
| 22:29.05 | TheMissingBit | no. |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: really, ask ##windows .. I haven't installed Windows in quite a few years, and I suspect many here are in the same boat |
| 22:29.26 | TheMissingBit | abrotman, I don't have any windows machines to use for this is the problem |
| 22:29.29 | TheMissingBit | all mine run debian. |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | That's soon to change, seems ##windows would be more help |
| 22:30.05 | pingfloyd | in windows its easy |
| 22:30.12 | TheMissingBit | aboudreault, the issue though is my machines run linux. |
| 22:30.13 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: seriously, I'd use dd or cp or something. |
| 22:30.21 | TheMissingBit | cp? |
| 22:30.21 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: if those don't work, go ask ##windows |
| 22:30.24 | TheMissingBit | for making a usb? |
| 22:30.29 | pingfloyd | just copy the contents of the iso to an ntfs fs on the usb stick and run bootsect.exe |
| 22:30.30 | TheMissingBit | abrotman, wait what? |
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| 22:30.41 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: See, you should ask ##windows |
| 22:30.44 | TheMissingBit | pingfloyd, no windows machines to run bootsect.exe or I would've done that first |
| 22:30.48 | mtn | heh |
| 22:30.50 | pingfloyd | the caveat for you is needing bootsect.exe |
| 22:30.58 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: Please take this to ##windows |
| 22:31.01 | TheMissingBit | abrotman, you can use CP to copy files onto a usb? |
| 22:31.10 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: Please take this to ##windows |
| 22:31.16 | TheMissingBit | aboudreault, I'm asking about a command now. |
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| 22:31.36 | abrotman | TheMissingBit: this is not a Debian problem, ask ##windows |
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| 22:42.11 | deego | no more supported chromium on jessie. :( |
| 22:42.39 | abrotman | what? |
| 22:43.01 | deego | i meant: on wheezie (7.0 the current stable.) |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:43.50 | deego | [SECURITY] [DSA 3148-1] chromium-browser end of life |
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| 22:45.47 | ompaul | between that kind of thing and the state of flash one wonders about the marketing plans of the marketing company |
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| 22:48.32 | deego | marketing company? |
| 22:48.49 | Darkchaos | Hello Guys, I've made a big mistake, I apt-get dist-upgrade'd which replaced upstart with sysvinit. The Problem now is, that ".init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl". According to some googling my System won't survive a reboot as there are compatibility issues with openVZ. What can I do now? |
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| 22:50.26 | Darkchaos | Will a apt-get install upstart do the trick? |
| 22:50.28 | ompaul | deego: google but sorry I thought I was in #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:00.43 | Darkchaos | Hello Guys, I've made a big mistake, I apt-get dist-upgrade'd which replaced upstart with sysvinit. The Problem now is, that ".init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl". According to some googling my System won't survive a reboot as there are compatibility issues with openVZ. What can I do now? Will apt-get install upstart do the trick? |
| 23:00.53 | Darkchaos | Sry for double posting, my mistake :/ |
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| 23:05.35 | ompaul | Darkchaos: is that debian or ubuntu |
| 23:06.14 | Darkchaos | Linux host 2.6.32-31-pve #1 SMP Thu Jul 24 06:44:16 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux (Debian) |
| 23:06.44 | ompaul | what did you dist-upgrade from |
| 23:07.03 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 23:07.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 23:07.45 | ompaul | ,v upstart |
| 23:07.46 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.11-5; sid: 1.11-5 |
| 23:07.46 | D|nA | oh jessie doesn't have lts kernel ?:P |
| 23:08.36 | Darkchaos | I can't tell you, but it did not upgrade the kernel etc but only that sysvinit. And I am on 2.6.32-31-pve |
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| 23:09.54 | ompaul | Darkchaos: paste please your /etc/apt/sources.list file into http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:10.05 | ompaul | Darkchaos: and after the dist upgrade did you reboot |
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| 23:10.21 | Darkchaos | ompaul: Nope as I read that timeout errors and started googling |
| 23:11.00 | Darkchaos | ompaul http://paste.debian.net/hidden/128b8b8d/ |
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| 23:11.58 | ompaul | Darkchaos: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade please |
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| 23:14.00 | Darkchaos | Does "nothing". download.opensuse.org has an expired in apt-get update and dist-upgrade has nothing to upgrade |
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| 23:15.51 | abrotman | what? |
| 23:16.16 | ompaul | Darkchaos: are you on some vitrualised host |
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| 23:16.32 | ompaul | Darkchaos: perhaps even on a box that is in a data centre |
| 23:16.56 | Darkchaos | ompaul: Yes, of course, simulated with openVZ, thats why I wanted to downgrade |
| 23:17.06 | ompaul | Darkchaos: not of course |
| 23:17.09 | ompaul | !downgrade |
| 23:17.11 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:17.55 | Darkchaos | Well, that's why I wrote "compatibility issues with openVZ", should've said it clearer |
| 23:17.58 | ompaul | Darkchaos: please read that carefully, now here are your instructions - back up your data - restore the default box in the data centre and go back to them for kernel updates you can't randomly decide to do stuff on that kind of thise |
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| 23:18.16 | cnos | why are not apt-get upgrade .. updating my irssi? |
| 23:18.18 | cnos | why not? |
| 23:18.47 | mtn | cnos: is there a new one in the repos? |
| 23:18.48 | ompaul | Darkchaos: perhaps - however here's the rub we don't get too many people going to do mad stuff outside of whatever the data centre supports, generally it doesn't end well |
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| 23:18.57 | ompaul | ,v irssi |
| 23:18.58 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-5~bpo60+1+b1; wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.17-1; sid: 0.8.17-1 |
| 23:19.28 | cnos | mtn: no maybe not. butt irssi.org says newest one is: 0.8.17 |
| 23:19.31 | ompaul | cnos: what exact feature do you want that isn't in the curent one |
| 23:19.34 | ompaul | !stable |
| 23:19.34 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.8); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 23:19.46 | mtn | cnos: backports |
| 23:19.48 | Darkchaos | ompaul: And simply removing sysvinit and installing upstart would be worth a try? (And so no dist-upgrade again in virtual environments?) |
| 23:20.03 | ompaul | cnos: welcome to debian ^^^^^^^ please read that link |
| 23:20.20 | cnos | mtn: so it not update irssi to 0.8.17 because its not stable one? |
| 23:20.23 | ompaul | Darkchaos: if you can control the box at that level you might be able to boot to an older kernel |
| 23:20.33 | cnos | mtn: it still using 0.8.15 because its the stable one? |
| 23:20.55 | mtn | cnos: read what ompaul dpkg sent you and yes, you can use backports to add that package |
| 23:21.03 | mtn | !debian-backports |
| 23:21.04 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 23:21.32 | cnos | mtn: but why are not debian using 0.8.15 as default? may i ask? |
| 23:21.48 | mtn | cnos: yes, read what dpkg sent you. please. |
| 23:21.50 | ompaul | cnos: read that link about debian stable |
| 23:22.03 | ompaul | cnos: that will explain it a lot better than terse comments in irc |
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| 23:22.18 | ompaul | cnos: patch the problems else leave alone |
| 23:22.22 | ompaul | security problems only ] |
| 23:22.23 | mtn | cnos: in case you can't see it: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 23:22.41 | Darkchaos | ompaul: Well I think it did not update the kernel, I only see (sysvinit_2.88dsf-41+deb7u1_amd64.deb) as replacement. Stupid me :/ |
| 23:22.46 | cnos | ompaul: so thats mean that irssi 0.8.15 is stable? right? |
| 23:23.02 | ompaul | cnos: no it means that debian stable has 8.15 |
| 23:23.13 | ompaul | cnos: it is not updated until there is a security bug |
| 23:23.29 | ompaul | cnos: that way everything plays together well now read the link you have been given three times |
| 23:23.51 | ompaul | cnos: and that includes the links on that page |
| 23:24.24 | ompaul | cnos: and if you don';t find it this is what you want https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStability |
| 23:25.01 | ompaul | mtn: abrotman ponder this if you will should the stability link be in the !stable factoid |
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| 23:25.12 | abrotman | the who what? |
| 23:25.12 | ompaul | thinks at almost midnight no |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | ompaul: you mean "meaning of stable" ? |
| 23:26.03 | cnos | how do i update irssi with backports? |
| 23:26.26 | mtn | cnos: read the info dpkg sent you on backports. please read. |
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| 23:30.49 | cnos | deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 23:30.55 | cnos | in sources.list |
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| 23:31.07 | cnos | and then i should be enable to update irssi to 8.0.17 ? |
| 23:31.09 | cnos | thanks :) |
| 23:31.29 | mtn | cnos: keep reading ;) |
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| 23:32.13 | cnos | mtn apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" is pointless |
| 23:32.21 | cnos | i am not using squeeze anyway.. |
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| 23:32.48 | mtn | cnos: so change squeeze to wheezy |
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| 23:33.37 | cnos | mtn: there is nothing about update? its only says about "install a packe" |
| 23:33.39 | cnos | package |
| 23:34.12 | mtn | cnos: if you install a newer package, it will be "updating" the older one. why don't you just try it? |
| 23:35.32 | cnos | mtn: yep |
| 23:35.36 | cnos | thanks |
| 23:35.42 | mtn | cnos: welcome |
| 23:36.05 | cnos | Backports are recompiled packages from testing (mostly) and unstable (in a few cases only, e.g. security updates) in a stable environment so that they will run without new libraries (whenever it is possible) on a Debian stable distribution |
| 23:36.09 | cnos | no thanks :) |
| 23:36.16 | cnos | i guess i gonna stay with stable debian as usal |
| 23:36.32 | mtn | shrug |
| 23:36.50 | cnos | as usual |
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| 23:41.07 | PeQuEnO_TuX | hello all |
| 23:41.28 | maazu | hi |
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| 23:41.57 | PeQuEnO_TuX | how u doing maazu |
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| 23:42.14 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: i am doing ok, u? |
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| 23:42.37 | PeQuEnO_TuX | i cant complain |
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| 23:43.07 | PeQuEnO_TuX | just tryto install debian on my old mackbook g5 |
| 23:43.12 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: is the weather treating you ok? |
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| 23:43.31 | maazu | sniff sniff |
| 23:43.42 | PeQuEnO_TuX | tell me about im home for hole week because that freak weather |
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| 23:44.10 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: try to stay warm |
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| 23:44.48 | PeQuEnO_TuX | yes i try but today the wind almost kill me |
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| 23:45.27 | PeQuEnO_TuX | feels like -5 |
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| 23:46.09 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: good luck with your debian install, lots of text to read :) |
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| 23:46.57 | PeQuEnO_TuX | ill need special because i try to install in a powermac |
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| 23:47.24 | PeQuEnO_TuX | already saw that my grafico is not right |
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| 23:47.37 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: did you get as far as bash prompt? |
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| 23:48.13 | PeQuEnO_TuX | yep |
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| 23:48.29 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: wayland or XFree? |
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| 23:48.43 | conc | hello is there any full disk encryption for debian by default? |
| 23:48.44 | PeQuEnO_TuX | just start install did not finish |
| 23:49.04 | ompaul | conc: you can do it from the install IF you choose to do so |
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| 23:49.13 | ompaul | you can add it later if you want to |
| 23:49.24 | conc | ompaul: full disk encryption? |
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| 23:49.30 | conc | FDE |
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| 23:49.50 | conc | ompaul: how to full disk encryption later? |
| 23:49.57 | ompaul | conc: unless you are likely to have your machine stolen be aware that certain disk encryption will impede your ability to look at data in the event of the disk degrading so make sure you have backups in place |
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| 23:50.58 | ompaul | conc: read about LUKS |
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| 23:51.15 | ompaul | conc: the earlier truecrypt seems to perhaps have something good in it |
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| 23:51.34 | ompaul | conc: frankly doing it from the install makes your life more sane but Backups remember them and test them |
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| 23:52.22 | conc | ompaul: truecrypt are not support full disk encryption for linux |
| 23:52.40 | PeQuEnO_TuX | maazu: each one is better? |
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| 23:53.00 | conc | ompaul: why backup and encrypt in same way? it makes no sense :/ |
| 23:53.13 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: X11 for the install, later upgrade to Wayland which is still experimental |
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| 23:53.37 | PeQuEnO_TuX | ok |
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| 23:53.55 | polyphagia | truecrypt died didn't it? |
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| 23:54.11 | PeQuEnO_TuX | if still experimental im not sure if gonna work for me u know ppc is sucks |
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| 23:54.44 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: X11 is true and tried :) |
| 23:54.52 | abrotman | Xorg |
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| 23:55.23 | maazu | abrotman: yes, Xorg. |
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| 23:56.04 | conc | polyphagia: do truecrypt have any security bugs (backdoors)? |
| 23:56.28 | polyphagia | none proven atm i don't think |
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| 23:56.33 | polyphagia | but it's discontinued |
| 23:56.57 | PeQuEnO_TuX | lets finish install than ill see last time i install after first boot i got black screen but i think the problem was my video card have a dvi and adc port i was using dvi and that one is port 2 i read something saying i have to plug my monitor in the port number 1 |
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| 23:57.35 | conc | polyphagia: maybe the owner couldnt make it better, maybe not. |
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| 23:58.01 | conc | polyphagia: maybe he could. |
| 23:59.04 | maazu | PeQuEnO_TuX: can you read the /var/log/Xfree.log? |
