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| 00:21.16 | baum | newbie question: when does using seLinux make sense? |
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| 00:23.50 | centrx | "NSA Security-enhanced Linux is a set of patches to the Linux kernel and some utilities to incorporate a strong, flexible mandatory access control (MAC) architecture into the major subsystems of the kernel. |
| 00:24.06 | centrx | "It provides an enhanced mechanism to enforce the separation of information based on confidentiality and integrity requirements, which allows threats of tampering and bypassing of application security mechanisms to be addressed and enables the confinement of damage that can be caused by malicious or flawed applications. It includes a set of sample security policy configuration files designed to meet common, general-purpose security goals. |
| 00:24.07 | abrotman | That doesn't answer his question |
| 00:24.44 | baum | abrotman, +1 :) |
| 00:24.54 | abrotman | baum: what kind of system is it? |
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| 00:28.13 | baum | abrotman, i'm mainly wondering about embedded systems and phones |
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| 00:29.56 | abrotman | baum: You could try it, though I'd be curious about the performance penalty (if there is one) |
| 00:32.08 | baum | abrotman, means there isn't something like a rule of thumb for that? |
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| 00:33.57 | abrotman | baum: I've only a cursory knowledge .. I think I looked around once for the numbers, but never found anything concrete, and most of the things rrelated to desktops/servers, so it wouldn't related to your embedded systems |
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| 00:36.07 | baum | abrotman, alright, thanks, guess i'll try to dig a bit deeper :) |
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| 00:39.31 | polyphagia | hi AHMED_FAROOQ |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | polyphagia: please don't |
| 00:39.50 | baum | what is a kik and a snapchat? |
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| 00:40.06 | polyphagia | hi abrotman |
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| 00:41.56 | baum | thinks that was a fast kick, thanks ;) |
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| 00:50.39 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.08.05-1; sid: 2015.01.16-1 |
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| 01:09.08 | nilon_ | i'm trying to get wifi connection. i tried to install firmware-atheros and got this error: http://pastebin.com/qPyivpYC it suggests to Try 'apt-get -f install' and i get back http://pastebin.com/yWcUC2Ky any ideas? |
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| 01:10.57 | mtn | nilon_: you have conflicting versions or a file because you have a non-debian repo in your sources. it is explained in your paste. |
| 01:11.30 | mtn | nilon_: "trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/mysql', which is also in package mysql-client-core-5.5 5.5.38-1~dotdeb.0" |
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| 01:12.14 | NiLon | what the |
| 01:12.27 | nilon_ | thanks mtn , could i remove that or what should be best? |
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| 01:12.48 | NiLon | who is this |
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| 01:13.13 | nilon_ | NiLon, hey there! i've had this nick for a long time and didn't know why it was always X_ |
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| 01:13.46 | NiLon | uh |
| 01:14.17 | nilon_ | pleasure to meet |
| 01:14.31 | NiLon | well this is weird |
| 01:14.38 | mtn | nilon_: you could try removing the offending package, removing dotdeb repo and try installing the package again afterward. |
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| 01:14.57 | nilon_ | don't worry NiLon , it's not that a big deal, were a lot of people connected |
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| 01:15.24 | nilon_ | mtn, thanks, will try |
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| 01:16.53 | nilon_ | mtn, this is pretty basic, but could you tell me how to command that? I'd highly appreciate that |
| 01:18.35 | mtn | nilon_: apt-get purge mysql-client-core, then run your update or install command again. also, make sure to remove the dotdeb line from your source.list |
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| 01:35.31 | nilon_ | mtn, thanks there, i actualy tried that and it gave back: Unable to locate package mysql-client-core |
| 01:35.43 | nilon_ | weird, right? |
| 01:36.08 | mtn | nilon_: aptitude search mysql might show you something |
| 01:36.33 | mtn | nilon_: name might be off, maybe the numbers need to be in it. |
| 01:36.35 | polyphagia | what mirror are you using nilon_ |
| 01:36.53 | mtn | nilon_: it might be mysql-client-core-5.5 |
| 01:37.12 | mtn | polyphagia: he is trying to remove a package from the dotdeb repo |
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| 01:38.54 | mtn | nilon_: when you get it all fixed, make sure to read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 01:38.56 | polyphagia | oh ok |
| 01:39.20 | nilon_ | mtn, same thing, keeps giving Try 'apt-get -f install' which i pasted. and yes, must read |
| 01:39.57 | mtn | nilon_: did you remove the package or it can't find it? and after removing it and the line in the sources.list, you have to apt-get update |
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| 01:40.21 | nilon_ | can't find it |
| 01:40.43 | nilon_ | I'm on crunchbang, but came to solve wifi, I'm running out of options! ouch |
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| 01:41.07 | nilon_ | #! hence i couldn't use properly the search command |
| 01:41.16 | mtn | nilon_: well no wonder. crunchbang is not supported in this channel. I thought you had debian :( |
| 01:41.17 | cheapie | *again*? |
| 01:42.27 | nilon_ | sorry guys, they told me that i may find help here, am i breaking ethiquette? |
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| 01:42.37 | mtn | !crunchbang |
| 01:42.38 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 01:44.54 | CHVNX | !raspbian |
| 01:44.54 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 01:45.00 | nilon_ | i understood that since it was based on debian i could ask, my bad |
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| 01:45.27 | mtn | nilon_: trouble is we don't know the distro and whatever changes they have made to debian |
| 01:45.38 | cheapie | nilon_: If it's something common between the two that /might/ occasionally be fine, but from what I've seen, your question is not. |
| 01:45.58 | nilon_ | cheapie, fair enough |
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| 01:46.17 | nilon_ | mtn, thanks, you're polite in responding |
| 01:46.27 | mtn | nilon_: welcome and good luck |
| 01:46.42 | nilon_ | as a linux fellow that has lost wifi, what could i do beside going back to #crunchbang? |
| 01:46.57 | mtn | nilon_: ##linux is an option. |
| 01:47.04 | LostNva | anyone know of a work around for a package thats designed to use upstart, but trying to run in Debian using SysVinit? Plex Media Server |
| 01:47.16 | nilon_ | good idea again mtn ! |
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| 01:47.29 | nilon_ | all the best |
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| 02:04.18 | z8z | Hello, i have automatic update set and since yesterday eclipse is not working anymore and look like it is due to an update to the jdk library or so |
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| 02:04.53 | z8z | Is that meaning is not safe to keep automatic update on a pick the update you need manually? |
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| 02:07.42 | dvs | z8z: someone messed up |
| 02:08.34 | z8z | dvs: is this a common problem? |
| 02:08.39 | dvs | no |
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| 02:09.32 | z8z | dvs: no i mean this update problem has been faced by other people already? |
| 02:09.51 | z8z | dvs: on the jdk? |
| 02:11.12 | dvs | z8z: it took out my tomcat install |
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| 02:18.48 | Kobaz | ~apt-file uuid.h |
| 02:18.59 | sigur | don't know if this is the right place, but with this sources.list http://paste.debian.net/143668 , when jessie becomes stable, if i want to keep using testing should i run aptitude full-upgrage or a simple aptitude safe-upgrade will suffice? |
| 02:19.01 | Kobaz | what's the thing for that |
| 02:20.09 | dvs | sigur: safe-upgrade wont do |
| 02:20.57 | Damiox | Hi. Newbie question here. I'm manipulating an open-source code that is not in the repo, no .deb... It's in git and I'm trying to get it built as .deb with the version name based on the current commit (not sure if that's possible). So it has a debian/changelog already but with the stable version from some months ago. So, should I update the changelog or I can get a .deb pkg with the commit hash as the version whenever I want without updating the changel |
| 02:20.59 | Damiox | og? |
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| 02:24.32 | abrotman | Kobaz: that wouldn't do anything |
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| 02:28.42 | sigur | dvs: thanks. Full-upgrade it is, then. I won-t lie though: I fail to understand why safe-upgrade won't work if my sources.list point to testing repos |
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| 02:36.03 | Yukkii | Could I get some help with this? #tmux is quiet |
| 02:36.04 | Yukkii | http://pastebin.com/iZ7MYsjx |
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| 03:03.24 | z8z | dvs: how did you fix that? |
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| 03:04.48 | dvs | z8z: Reinstalled the packages. |
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| 03:07.40 | z8z | ok :| |
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| 03:22.46 | z8z | dvs: omg a megamess..... i'll need to reinstall everything :| |
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| 03:53.42 | eb0t | im labbing 2 edge routers with a bgp peering between them but no direct connection |
| 03:53.59 | eb0t | they are connected to 2 other routers that are not running bgp |
| 03:54.37 | eb0t | the routes are passing from one edge router to the other via a path through one of the other non bpg routers |
| 03:54.57 | eb0t | and ospf is used to populate all routes apart from the bgp loopback routes |
| 03:55.17 | eb0t | i cant ping the bgp routes from one end to the other |
| 03:55.38 | eb0t | i know its to do with next hop |
| 03:55.50 | eb0t | but the next hop is in teh IGP ospf route table |
| 03:55.54 | eb0t | so why can they not ping |
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| 03:59.10 | abrotman | eb0t: how is this a #debian issue? |
| 03:59.21 | eb0t | omg ha ha |
| 03:59.28 | eb0t | thanks i thoguht i was in cisco |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | Hopefully they didn't get the Debian questions |
| 04:00.03 | eb0t | yes i certainly hope so |
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| 04:20.09 | Damiox | If a pkg is not in jessie, it is in sid and it was in wheezy... Can I get the source for it from sid repo and try to build it for jessie? |
| 04:20.48 | polyphagia | which package are we talking about Damiox |
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| 04:22.05 | Damiox | libmemcache-dev and libradiusclient-ng-dev |
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| 04:23.12 | polyphagia | hm |
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| 04:25.15 | solrize | is squeeze not getting security patches any more? |
| 04:26.49 | polyphagia | Damiox: http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html#11 |
| 04:26.55 | polyphagia | looks like it |
| 04:28.04 | Damiox | polyphagia: thanks, I'll try in a test system and see what happens |
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| 04:28.26 | polyphagia | kk |
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| 05:04.40 | kmyst | anybody know of a method to display a remote users ip address on a prelogin message (i.e. ssh banner)? i've got a banner already just would like to dynamically display a user's ip address before they login |
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| 05:19.34 | cafuego | kmyst: There's no escape code for that, I think. Check 'man getty' |
| 05:21.45 | kmyst | cafuego: i didn't know if there was but thanks for the getty tip! gives me something else to look into. i suppose the concept could be scripted and run as a background proces.... |
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| 05:22.13 | cafuego | kmyst: No |
| 05:22.21 | cafuego | kmyst: BEcause that would mean it runs as root! |
| 05:23.43 | kmyst | cafuego: i know :) |
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| 05:24.24 | kmyst | cafuego: didn't say it was a "good" idea and i'd rather not go down that road :) |
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| 05:25.51 | kmyst | thinks you're right, doesn't appear to be an escape for that |
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| 05:27.13 | cafuego | In theory a user would know their own hostname/IP though right? ;-) |
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| 05:28.15 | cafuego | kmyst: And to be frank, that would've triggered GHOST |
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| 05:29.28 | kmyst | cafuego: meh good point, just read up on that thing the other day |
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| 05:31.41 | Ozzie_Mx | Can somebody help me: I want to see this flash player streams in vlc, wheezy, but i cannot find the streams source. The url's are: http://www.rtve.es/directo/canal-24h/ http://noticieros.televisa.com/foro-tv/ http://tv.milenio.com/ Thank you. |
| 05:33.07 | kmyst | cafuego: thanks for the heads up :) |
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| 05:46.15 | hikenboot | Hi I find myself in need of downgrading ntfs-3g that is in jessie to stable. Is there a safe way to do this. I already had one frankendebian problem I would rather not repeat |
| 05:46.54 | hikenboot | there is a horrible bug in this package which causes windows ntfs drives not to mount |
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| 05:49.33 | pharvey | Does anybody know what the equivalent of systemd-networkd-wait-online.service in jessie? |
| 05:50.34 | pharvey | I'm trying to use network-online.target but it seems to fire at least 12 seconds too early, judging by the sleep 20 && do-the-thing I'm still having to do in ExecStartPre |
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| 05:53.53 | Ozzie_Mx | Can somebody help me: I want to see this flash player streams in vlc, debian wheezy, but i cannot find the streams source. The url's are: http://www.rtve.es/directo/canal-24h/ http://noticieros.televisa.com/foro-tv/ http://tv.milenio.com/ Thank you. |
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| 06:32.24 | sparky4 | debian etch runs like shit on my super fucking fast am486@133mhz |
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| 06:41.52 | rnair | Test |
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| 06:43.52 | dn | I have a webserver which has a 'web' user that only has access to web content. I have set the users home to /var/www. however, this also means debian will place some files (like .bashrc, .profile etc) in the /var/www dir. Can I somehow specify where it should put these files so they don't end up in the webroot? |
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| 06:46.12 | sparky4 | dn: set the corect permissions to the files? |
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| 06:46.53 | junka | there have been announced two debian names, Stretch & Buster, does this mean jessie's life time will be shorter? |
| 06:47.36 | Cpuroast | unlikely |
| 06:51.54 | dn | sparky4: how would that stop them from ending up in the webroot? they'll still be there, however inaccessible |
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| 06:52.23 | sparky4 | dn: I am a dos guru >< sorry! |
| 06:53.00 | shay_shay | dos? |
| 06:53.10 | shay_shay | that must be a full time job |
| 06:53.15 | shay_shay | xD |
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| 07:08.06 | BW^- | what should i update my packages list to? |
| 07:08.17 | BW^- | wheezy |
| 07:08.58 | BW^- | hm let's try "aptitude update" to see if that just automagically fixes it |
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| 08:10.03 | eugenmayer | iam doing something like source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*.cfg in wheezy in /etc/network/interfaces .. this does not seem to work in squeeze, am i right? |
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| 08:12.53 | Iridos | "something like"? |
| 08:14.29 | Iridos | amazing... there's a source and it can do *cough* something like globbing |
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| 08:14.59 | eugenmayer | Iridos: since you obv dont know things about this (its true, its appeared in wheezy), why you even flank me? I mean, you cannot know it all, but the question is properly stated. Everybody knowing this feature can answer if its wheezy only or available in squeeze. |
| 08:15.00 | Iridos | eugenmayer, wheezy documentation says it should work in wheezy... no idea about squeeze, this is the first time I'm seeing this |
| 08:15.39 | eugenmayer | yeah the main page of squeeze does not mention it - pitty |
| 08:16.02 | Iridos | I just wondered about that expression... something like suggests you really did something slightly different |
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| 08:16.33 | Iridos | that sentence might be a bit hard to parse without quotes |
| 08:16.35 | eugenmayer | ah, sorry. |
| 08:16.40 | eugenmayer | Yeah, my bad. |
| 08:17.25 | Iridos | (i mean my last sentence might be hard to parse without quotes) |
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| 08:17.42 | Iridos | I think we have reached maximum confusion and misunderstanding now :) |
| 08:18.22 | eugenmayer | Hehe. |
| 08:19.01 | eugenmayer | i guess that similar understanding libmysqlclient18 and libmysqlclient18.1 |
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| 08:19.42 | Iridos | eugenmayer, try checking changelogs... e.g. aptitude changelog netbase ... or aptitude changelog initscripts |
| 08:19.44 | ss23 | Did some upgrades on a wheezy box, looks like boot is stallking at "Cleaning up temporary files", no errors. Would it be safe to reboot it at this point? |
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| 08:19.50 | ss23 | (Also if anyone knows how to fix, that'd be great too) |
| 08:20.13 | Iridos | it's just a bit hard to tell *what* changelog, because the interfaces file doesn't belong to any package |
| 08:20.32 | Iridos | possibly ifupdown |
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| 08:21.15 | Iridos | gah, he's gone, just when I found it |
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| 08:23.24 | Iridos | ss23, hard to answer with "yes" or "no" temporary files (in /tmp) are cleaned at boot... that means ... there probably won't be half-erased stuff in /tmp... on the other hand your boot may hang in the same thing that your machine does now (and of course the usual filesystem things apply... but I guess as those will mainly effect temporary files, it should be ok) |
| 08:23.42 | Iridos | I guess at some point you will have no choice but to try, though |
| 08:24.05 | ss23 | Yeah, been ~10 minutes, so I'd hope if it really was deleting files, it would've been done a long time ago :P |
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| 08:25.06 | Iridos | can you still do anything? |
| 08:25.36 | Iridos | anyway, before just pressing the button, you could try a sysrq key sequence |
| 08:25.42 | Iridos | dpkg, sysrq |
| 08:25.42 | dpkg | i guess sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 08:27.45 | ss23 | Iridos: It's *cloud*, so I tried doing a reboot through the console, now it's broken and I'm talking to rackspace support :P |
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| 08:27.49 | ss23 | The joys of virtualised servers... |
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| 08:29.04 | Iridos | hmm |
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| 08:29.40 | Iridos | just FYI if there was still shell access, can (could have) use sysrq via /proc |
| 08:29.48 | Iridos | and... virtual harddisks failing seems a bit weird |
| 08:29.50 | ss23 | No shell access, it didn't boot |
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| 08:29.57 | ss23 | I doubt it's a virtual harddisk failing |
| 08:30.07 | ss23 | It's just the crappy rackspace control panel spazzing out if you try do a soft reboot |
| 08:30.22 | ss23 | Regarding the "Cleaning temporary files" though, that's just an .sh right? I could presumably chmod -x it and bypass it? |
| 08:30.51 | Iridos | I never looked at it... it's just obvious that /tmp is gone |
| 08:31.01 | Iridos | is this wheezy? |
| 08:31.05 | ss23 | Yeah |
| 08:31.13 | ss23 | Upgraded from squeeze, though htat was a while ago |
| 08:31.58 | Iridos | should be something in /etc/init.d, though |
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| 08:32.13 | Iridos | but really, deleting files in /tmp shouldn't hang... |
| 08:32.23 | ss23 | Yeah, it's not something I *wanted* to happen :P |
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| 08:33.28 | Iridos | heh |
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| 08:34.12 | idknow | how do i tell apt-get to register and recognise a manwilly installed package? |
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| 08:34.54 | xsdg | I just did a big upgrade, from non-systemd to systemd boot process. Now my machine gets stuck with "Timed out waiting for device dev-md3.device" (that being the device behind my /home partition) |
| 08:34.55 | Iridos | I don't see anything erasing all /tmp in my init scripts... there's some stuff in bootmisc.sh and checkroot-bootclean.sh and apparently an option to mount a tmpfs on /tmp in mountall.sh (which would also empty it) |
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| 08:35.39 | xsdg | If I mount it by hand in the emergency console, it mounts fine (just doing `mount /home`), so I have no idea what systemd is trying that isn't working. Ideas? I just want my machine to boot |
| 08:35.57 | idknow | look in etc/fstab |
| 08:36.19 | xsdg | idknow: and? |
| 08:36.35 | idknow | for a proper mount path |
| 08:36.46 | Iridos | idknow, what package? if it's anything installed by dpkg, apt sees it... anything else... either you package it (or better not and leave it in /opt or /usr/local |
| 08:37.06 | xsdg | idknow: I'm confused. /dev/md3 is the device, and /home is the mount path |
| 08:37.10 | idknow | Iridos: oops, no context; pls restart? |
| 08:37.32 | Iridos | idknow, context was your question |
| 08:37.36 | idknow | ok |
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| 08:37.59 | Iridos | xsdg, and it happens reproducably? |
| 08:38.09 | idknow | xsdg: mount /dev/md3 /home 0t fstype |
| 08:38.16 | idknow | oops |
| 08:38.22 | xsdg | Iridos: yes. I just restarted, and now it fails this way every single time. |
| 08:38.26 | idknow | xsdg: mount /dev/md3 /home -t fstype |
| 08:38.35 | xsdg | idknow: I pointed out that I can mount the partition by hand with no issues |
| 08:38.51 | idknow | ok, so you want t automount/ |
| 08:38.57 | Iridos | xsdg, well... lots of people migrate to testing... check https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd; maybe someone reported it |
| 08:39.40 | idknow | idknow: is home mentioneed in fstab? |
| 08:39.43 | idknow | heh |
| 08:39.43 | xsdg | idknow: systemd is unhappy, and so my machine isn't booting. I don't know what systemd is trying to do |
| 08:39.53 | idknow | xsdg: i home mentioned in fstab? |
| 08:40.03 | xsdg | idknow: yes |
| 08:40.06 | Iridos | xsdg, wow... that's a package with a lot of bug reports... |
| 08:40.12 | idknow | ok but i'm not focused there. |
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| 08:40.27 | Iridos | xsdg, that one sounds a bit like yours https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763652 |
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| 08:40.39 | sunbeam | Ok, I've got a server running dovecot. Mails get deleted. They are just deleted. Not by a user, but on my system. Any mails older than 7 days. I checked /var/log/maillog and I only see that between 2 logins there are 30 messages less at once. |
| 08:40.43 | sunbeam | and I don't see that they are removed (i checked del= and dont see any removals) |
| 08:40.55 | sunbeam | There are no cronjobs on this system. And neither are there any logins at those times. |
| 08:40.58 | sunbeam | Any idea how this is possible and how I can debug this? |
| 08:41.08 | xsdg | Iridos: taking a look |
| 08:41.12 | nkuttler | sunbeam: sounds like something a mail client would do |
| 08:41.19 | Iridos | xsdg, if you don't find any... write a bugreport yourself... possibly supplying the data they asked for in the one that's a bit similar |
| 08:41.24 | nkuttler | sunbeam: pop3 user? |
| 08:42.00 | idknow_ | xsdg: grep home /etc/fstab |
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| 08:42.05 | sunbeam | nkuttler: Yes pop3 user. i thought that aswell. but then I should have seen WHEN and but which login/ip the mails are removed |
| 08:42.08 | sunbeam | and I don't see that |
| 08:42.12 | Iridos | xsdg, that one's not too promising :-/ |
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| 08:42.53 | nkuttler | sunbeam: i wouldn't be so sure about that. turn log level to the maximum and ask the dovecot support i guess |
| 08:43.00 | Iridos | xsdg, as a workaround... I guess you could remove /home from fstab and boot, then mount it (and perhaps you will run into the same problems mounting it as systemd does) |
| 08:43.03 | xsdg | idknow_: are you familiar with how the systemd boot process works? If not, I don't think this is going anywhere |
| 08:43.11 | idknow_ | ok |
| 08:43.20 | idknow_ | gn |
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| 08:43.31 | xsdg | Iridos: yeah, that had come to mind |
| 08:43.44 | sunbeam | nkuttler: how can I turn log level to the max? |
| 08:44.15 | nkuttler | sunbeam: i never had to |
| 08:44.22 | sunbeam | nkuttler: can it be that either directadmin (panel) or installed roundcube/squirrelmail does this - seems quite unlikely to me aswell |
| 08:44.22 | Iridos | xsdg, I guess init=/bin/bash will still work, despite systemd and all those other changes to the boot process |
| 08:44.42 | sunbeam | nkuttler: because i found no such option in OSX Mail (remove mails after 7 days) and thats the only client i use |
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| 08:46.12 | nkuttler | sunbeam: mail.app can delete mails |
| 08:46.12 | snadge | how do i reinstall the debian kernel from a non debian recovery environment? |
| 08:46.22 | nkuttler | snadge: chroot + dpkg -i it? |
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| 08:46.53 | snadge | ahh chroot of course.. cheers nkuttler |
| 08:47.30 | sunbeam | nkuttler: automatically ? |
| 08:47.40 | sunbeam | nkuttler: as a silent job, without user interaction? |
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| 08:50.53 | snadge | oh dear.. im getting i/o errors |
| 08:51.12 | winterss | hi |
| 08:51.43 | xsdg | Iridos: I think this one is mine: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758808 |
| 08:52.46 | snadge | how do i remove a file if it says cannot remove.. i/o error :/ |
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| 08:53.54 | ahg | I recently installed Debian 7.8, and I messed up my time zones. When using the graphical installer, I selected my location as Greece (where I currently live) and my language as en/us (my native language). Now, if I run 'date -u', I see UTC as 7 hours slow, and 'hwclock' shows 7 hours behind my actual time zone. |
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| 08:54.09 | ahg | should I issue a 'hwclock --set' command to fix this? |
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| 08:54.26 | ss23 | Iridos: Embarrasing, but uh, I booted into rescue mode... turns out that /tmp just has something like 50gb of *tiny* files in there, so it really was deleting files :( |
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| 08:54.38 | ss23 | Iridos: So I guess we can consider it... "solved"... :( |
| 08:54.47 | aeg | sunbeam: are you sure the deleted mails are not form Trash and/or Junk ? |
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| 08:54.54 | xsdg | snadge: that sounds like a filesystem problem, in which case you can't remove the file until the filesystem problem is resolved. |
| 08:54.56 | sunbeam | aeg: I am, i checked that |
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| 08:55.12 | xsdg | snadge: see if you get more details in `dmesg` |
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| 08:58.37 | snadge | ok.. im running fsck on it now.. and if i hit n about 50 times.. it finishes |
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| 08:59.06 | snadge | i've definitely seen worse corruption than that.. but i can safely say this VM is hosed :/ |
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| 09:03.59 | ahg | How does the system (e.g. the date utility) determine UTC time? How could that get a several-hour offset? |
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| 09:04.59 | nkuttler | ahg: there's a hardware clock in your computer. it can be inaccurate |
| 09:05.04 | nkuttler | !tell ahg about set time |
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| 09:06.43 | ahg | nkuttler: thanks, I think ntp is what I need |
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| 09:10.58 | eugenmayer | ll |
| 09:11.06 | eugenmayer | arg, sorry ;/ |
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| 09:11.48 | eugenmayer | how woudl i set a user password non-interactive in a debian postinst script (package) ? |
| 09:12.05 | eugenmayer | i tryied echo "user:password"|chpasswd |
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| 09:12.18 | eugenmayer | but during the script its interactive, in the cli it works |
| 09:13.01 | xsdg | Iridos: for future reference, I commented out /home from fstab and the machine booted fine. Then I mounted it by hand and I'm up and running again. |
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| 09:13.39 | xsdg | Iridos: there's clearly a bug somewhere in the giant pile of systemd stuff, but I already lost multiple hours to systemd tonight, so bugreport will have to wait until I've got more patience |
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| 09:23.50 | ss23 | Running wheezy, trying to get a jre. tzdata-java : Depends: tzdata (= 2014j-0wheezy1) but 2015a-0wheezy1 is to be installed |
| 09:24.09 | ss23 | Am I reading this right? If you have an up to date timezone package, you simply can't get Java on Wheezy? Or am I misunderstanding? |
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| 09:25.02 | spaceone | hi |
| 09:25.22 | jelly | ss23: someone may have forgotten to build and upload the matching version of tzdata-java. Please file a bug report. |
| 09:25.47 | spaceone | dpkg --audit ends with returncode 0 if there are errors → is there someway to detect errors |
| 09:25.47 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, spaceone |
| 09:26.00 | spaceone | (i don't want to parse the output because the strings may change in future) |
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| 09:26.38 | ss23 | jelly: Looks like there are some bugs here for it already, thanks |
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| 09:27.10 | ss23 | Already fixed, just have to wait for it to flow through to the NZ mirrors I guess :( |
| 09:27.21 | YamakasY | can I use something like daemon user=.... ? |
| 09:27.29 | YamakasY | to start a program |
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| 09:33.55 | eugenmayer | how to avoid adduser asking for surname/lastname? |
| 09:34.57 | eugenmayer | oh sorry, got it |
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| 09:51.18 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning guys! |
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| 09:57.20 | truedon | hi guys, I just got a fresh debian 7 wheezy and I tried to setup nginx php5-fpm and mysql. It's all working nicely just the .css files and .jpg or .gif etc won't serve - I get a empty response, I asked in #nginx and they said that the server isn't getting the request.. what can I do on debian.. ? I've never had this problem on centos or ubuntu and can't find anything on the net so far |
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| 10:00.19 | nkuttler | truedon: what does empty response mean? |
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| 10:01.06 | truedon | nkuttler: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received. |
| 10:01.34 | nkuttler | truedon: paste.debian.net the output of wget -S url |
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| 10:02.27 | YamakasY | anyone an idea why deamon says this ? daemon: fatal: failed to tell if user=MyUserName is safe: No such file or directory |
| 10:03.22 | nkuttler | YamakasY: um, which command did you run that gave you this error? |
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| 10:04.13 | YamakasY | nkuttler, oh I see I missed -- in front of user |
| 10:04.21 | YamakasY | but my program does not start :( |
| 10:04.43 | nkuttler | !tell YamakasY about errors |
| 10:05.08 | YamakasY | nkuttler, no I know |
| 10:05.36 | YamakasY | nkuttler, just telling :) |
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| 10:06.13 | truedon | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/143707/ |
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| 10:08.04 | dokma | is there a way to kickstart a Debian package with C sources makefiles and all the rest of it? |
| 10:08.16 | nkuttler | truedon: have you checked your error log, and turned on debugging? do you see a request in the access log? |
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| 10:08.47 | YamakasY | nkuttler, no log at all about starting a daemon |
| 10:09.09 | truedon | nkuttler: yes turned on debugging, no entry in error or access log for .css or any image files. Although js and php are fine. #Nginx has checked my config and said it's all good - just the server isn't receiving the request |
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| 10:10.28 | nkuttler | truedon: they are probably right... can you get the files from localhost, wget on the server? |
| 10:10.45 | nkuttler | if your host config allows that. could be something external filtering traffic i guess |
| 10:10.46 | truedon | nkuttler: ahhh let me attempt this |
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| 10:11.02 | truedon | nkuttler: yeh that is what I am wondering, I am a debian newb |
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| 10:12.31 | truedon | nkuttler: yeh can't retrieve the css via local wget on the box… but I can get the index page. |
| 10:13.35 | nkuttler | truedon: that's just bizarre. no idea |
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| 10:14.12 | nkuttler | truedon: though i have never used fpm, you're not trying to serve your css through that, are you? |
| 10:14.22 | nkuttler | those request go to nginx, don't they? |
| 10:14.24 | truedon | nkuttler: wasn't intending on it. Never had this happen on centos |
| 10:14.37 | truedon | nkuttler: well I thought so but then I was told it is going to php5-fpm by the #nginx guys |
| 10:14.44 | truedon | But no one can give me any answer as to what to do to fix it |
| 10:14.46 | nkuttler | well, there's your problem |
| 10:15.02 | truedon | so... |
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| 10:25.53 | truedon | how do I stop php5-fpm from trying to serve my css, images etc. It's never done this on centos but on debian i can't get any images or css for my nginx stack |
| 10:27.02 | lrvick | I am ona fresh debian box I upgraded to jessie. I am unable to sue systemctl |
| 10:27.08 | lrvick | I get the error "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" |
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| 10:30.41 | pfote | truedon: its the other way around, you have to stop nginx to forward css requests to php-fpm |
| 10:31.04 | truedon | pfote: ahh how is this done mate? |
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| 10:32.01 | pfote | truedon: no idea, its been years since i set up a nginx+fpm :-) but it should be easy to google, should be the default config |
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| 10:33.10 | YamakasY | ok fixed it |
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| 10:34.33 | ThKo | Hi guys, I’ve installed android sdk on debian 7.8 LAMP…For running it I’ve to add pathes to a file…At the moment I’ve added it to ~/.bashrc … But after restarting my server the command „android“ doesn’t work…Is there a file which is loaded by every user (root, www-data etc.)? Thank you :) |
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| 10:35.27 | petn-randall | !tell lrvick -about bat |
| 10:35.55 | truedon | pfote: yeh man thats what i thought |
| 10:35.56 | petn-randall | lrvick: Can you provide us the info the bot queried you with? Also the output of 'apt-get install -f' and 'dpkg --configure -a' |
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| 10:36.51 | lrvick | I do not have the full output from the upgrade |
| 10:37.07 | lrvick | but i can paste the others you just suggested |
| 10:37.09 | lrvick | sec |
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| 10:38.01 | pfote | truedon: AFAIR you set up some sort of "location ~ \.php$ {..." handler that fires the fcgi requests for your pages, and let nginx handle all the static stuff by itself |
| 10:39.06 | lrvick | petn-randall: http://sprunge.us/NHSL (apt-get install -f) http://sprunge.us/aKUd (dpkg --configure -a ) |
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| 10:39.23 | lrvick | actually the second one output nothing |
| 10:40.05 | lrvick | just did an autoremove, but yeah. clean |
| 10:40.21 | lrvick | also dbus is in fact running |
| 10:40.59 | lrvick | restarted it for goog measure |
| 10:41.01 | lrvick | good* |
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| 10:42.12 | lrvick | apt-cache policy - http://sprunge.us/VXbZ |
| 10:43.41 | petn-randall | lrvick: Are you sure you're running jessie? sid and experimental are in your sources.list and pinned up to 500. So you're probably running sid/experimental. |
| 10:44.36 | lrvick | I manually installed one package from experimental |
| 10:44.39 | lrvick | only reason it is there |
| 10:45.07 | lrvick | lsb_release -a clearly shows jessie |
| 10:45.11 | lrvick | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie) |
| 10:45.25 | petn-randall | ,v libc6 |
| 10:45.26 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u7; jessie: 2.19-13; sid: 2.19-14 |
| 10:45.46 | petn-randall | lrvick: What does 'apt-cache policy libc6' give you? |
| 10:46.06 | lrvick | Installed: 2.19-13 |
| 10:46.13 | lrvick | 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main amd64 Packages |
| 10:46.32 | lrvick | hmm. Perhaps that was a dependency |
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| 10:47.24 | petn-randall | lrvick: Oh right, I misread that. experimental is pinned to 1 (ok), and sid was a 3rd party weechat repo. So you are running systemd? |
| 10:47.26 | lrvick | the only thing i installed from experimental was gnupg2.3 |
| 10:47.39 | lrvick | 2.1* |
| 10:47.59 | lrvick | Well, it seems it cut voer to systemd automatically |
| 10:48.02 | lrvick | or at least, partly |
| 10:48.28 | lrvick | seems its suppsoed to be set up by default now in docs |
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| 10:49.28 | lrvick | systemd-sysv was installed, reboot happened since, etc |
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| 10:59.51 | taplaptap | i'm trying to debug why my ftp client won't connect (polycom phone). I'm running tcpdump, but i dont' see the 'text of the protocol'. Anyone know how to debug this better? |
| 11:00.06 | ss23 | taplaptap: I found ngrep super handy for that kind of thing |
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| 11:00.19 | ss23 | taplaptap: http://ngrep.sourceforge.net/usage.html |
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| 11:03.13 | taplaptap | beautiful, thanks man |
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| 11:03.49 | folivora | Hi I have weird issue with apache + symlink. If I put ln -s /tmp/foo /vhosts/root/foo <-- this works but if I am doing same to NFS-shared disk ln -s /nfs/tmp/foo /vhosts/root/foo apache does not show the symbolink |
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| 11:05.15 | osram | I don't think symlinks work across filesystem boundaries. I'm surprised you're even able to create it. |
| 11:05.35 | osram | osram: disregard. Just realised my error. |
| 11:05.36 | nkuttler | they sure do |
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| 11:05.59 | osram | Symlinking across file systems is perfectly ok. |
| 11:06.02 | petn-randall | osram: sym links work fine. It's hard links that don't work over filesystem boundaries. |
| 11:06.05 | osram | is tired. |
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| 11:06.46 | osram | petn-randall: agreed. Got it back to front - realised it while typing. |
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| 11:13.11 | folivora | petn-randall: any clue why apache is ignoring nfs symbolik links |
| 11:15.01 | osram | Trying again, I'm going to guess permission issues. |
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| 11:16.07 | osram | ie. the user apache runs as doesn't have access to the file linked to on the NFS volume. |
| 11:16.42 | folivora | I can access through this symboliklink via www-data ( apache user ) |
| 11:16.49 | folivora | so it is not a permission issue |
| 11:17.09 | folivora | www-data user can list / access all the files |
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| 11:17.24 | osram | Sweet. Then I have no idea what's going on. |
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| 11:17.51 | folivora | hehe, I am quite clueless also. |
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| 11:18.06 | fraff | nfs == lock trouble ? |
| 11:18.08 | folivora | if I unmount the nfs. Then apache does show the link |
| 11:18.23 | folivora | hmm |
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| 11:19.03 | YamakasY | does a linux system look @ groupname or gid ? I mean let´s say I have 2 servers where group1 is 1000 on server1 and group1 is 1001 on server2 |
| 11:20.56 | fraff | folivora: have you tried lsof +D /vhosts/root/ ? |
| 11:21.08 | dopesmoker | debian desktop rules |
| 11:21.33 | frostschutz | YamakasY, usually the gid. depends on context though, some protocols/file formats may still be aware of the names or allow optional uid/gid translations |
| 11:21.50 | YamakasY | okay |
| 11:21.58 | YamakasY | so I better should a good gid |
| 11:22.20 | doev | can someone help me with using the qxl driver inside a kvm/qemu vserver? I have already installed the xserver-xorg-video-qxl package, but how can I use it? |
| 11:22.36 | petn-randall | YamakasY: Usually you use a directory service like slapd to keep them synchronized on all systems. |
| 11:23.02 | YamakasY | petn-randall, this are puppetized servers |
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| 11:25.33 | folivora | fraff: nothing. except lsof+bash |
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| 11:30.46 | doev | how can I see wich xorg driver is currently in use? |
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| 11:32.09 | fraff | folivora: no more idea, sorry |
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| 11:32.58 | L0aD1nG | doev: apt-cache show xorg |
| 11:33.15 | L0aD1nG | doev: apt-cache show xorg | grep Version |
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| 11:33.57 | dopesmoker | debian desktop rules, to watch videos |
| 11:33.59 | osram | doev: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:35.18 | L0aD1nG | osram: but why is it different? |
| 11:36.01 | L0aD1nG | shouldn't apt-cache show xserver-xorg | grep Version show the same result as the log file does? |
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| 11:37.16 | doev | thanks, qxl is loaded ... but not as fast than I expected. It is running in the same speed as the default driver. But I can use a higher resolution than 1024x768. |
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| 11:40.05 | osram | L0aD1nG: he was after the driver/modules loaded, not the Xorg version per se. At least that's how I interpreted the question (my track record isn't great today). |
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| 11:40.29 | PhoenixSTF | ahas anyone got l2tp-ipsec-vpn connected to a cisco 3000 with shared secred and mschapv2? |
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| 11:40.42 | L0aD1nG | osram: right.. |
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| 11:41.44 | osram | PhoenixSTF: I sense pain. |
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| 11:42.05 | mysupper | hello |
| 11:45.14 | PhoenixSTF | osram: Oh hell yes, trying desperately not to install windows cause of this vpn bs |
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| 11:50.01 | osram | PhoenixSTF: unfortunately I can't help you (other than crossing fingers) but from what I hear it should be doable using something like strongswan, perhaps. |
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| 11:51.07 | mysupper | I'm planning to use debian as home media server over Upnp. |
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| 11:52.46 | jelly | mysupper: good for you! what are you planning to use, mediatomb? rygel? |
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| 11:52.48 | mysupper | Is there someone using media server on debian by upnp? |
| 11:52.58 | jelly | minidlna is a bit crap |
| 11:53.15 | mysupper | for handy equipments, I guess plex server. |
| 11:53.28 | mysupper | And for upnp for my TV, I don't have any idea. |
| 11:53.29 | petn-randall | I got minidlna to work with a TV at a friends, that was great :) |
| 11:53.49 | jelly | plex is closed source but I hear it's very nice |
| 11:54.00 | mysupper | oh plex closed? |
| 11:54.14 | mysupper | is there any sustitute for plex? |
| 11:54.48 | mysupper | I started to use xpenology for easy setting but found out it has many security problems. |
| 11:54.51 | Vroomfondel | mysupper: kodi (formerly xbmc) |
| 11:54.59 | jelly | none that do all the things it does, I fear |
| 11:55.03 | mysupper | So, I want to change to debian as server. |
| 11:55.23 | Vroomfondel | plex was forked from kodi, many years ago, so they're quite similar, though Plex has some extra bells & whistles |
| 11:55.27 | jelly | Vroomfondel: kodi on the _server_? Not on the player |
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| 11:56.08 | mysupper | hmm..that's bad news that plex is closed. |
| 11:56.19 | Vroomfondel | jelly: should work, shouldn't it? Admittedly I only run mine on one box |
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| 11:57.05 | SirLagz | I use minidlna...works fine for me |
| 11:57.42 | mysupper | ok, I got mediatomb and minidlna for trying. |
| 11:57.48 | mysupper | anything else? |
| 11:58.34 | mysupper | Are those ( mediatomb and minidlna) in stable versions? |
| 11:58.44 | SirLagz | minidlna is |
| 11:58.53 | mysupper | not for mediatomb..ok. |
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| 11:59.07 | SirLagz | I don't know about mediatomb |
| 12:00.10 | mysupper | oh..mediatomb is in stable version. :) |
| 12:00.11 | mysupper | good |
| 12:00.22 | mysupper | I should try both. |
| 12:00.44 | SirLagz | sure. Let us know how you go |
| 12:01.08 | mysupper | And for plex server thing. |
| 12:01.20 | mysupper | kodi? |
| 12:01.26 | SirLagz | what server thing ? |
| 12:01.45 | mysupper | I mean plex server like package in debian. |
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| 12:02.12 | SirLagz | mysupper: minidlna would be a 'plex server like' package ? |
| 12:02.26 | jelly | SirLagz: not even close |
| 12:02.41 | mysupper | It's quite different as far as I know. |
| 12:02.49 | SirLagz | jelly: well it's a server lol |
| 12:02.54 | Vroomfondel | mysupper: to be honest my suggestion of kodi is based on my own usage, which is probably simpler than most (I just use it to play files off my NAS via SMB). I thought it also did dlna/upnp stuff but jelly appears to think it's not good for that sort of thing. |
| 12:03.11 | jelly | mysupper: you can use mediatomb or minidlna or that gnome rygel thing as a basic DLNA server |
| 12:03.20 | mysupper | ok. |
| 12:03.34 | mysupper | Then, I should try dlna things first. |
| 12:03.42 | jelly | Vroomfondel: I don't know whether kodi/xbms is good or not |
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| 12:05.07 | SirLagz | mysupper: if you just want a central place to store all your media, and just want a simple streamer to stream to other devices, then yes minidlna or something similar will do that |
| 12:05.11 | mysupper | Actually , I will not depend on that much , dlna things ,,just presume it will work. |
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| 12:06.04 | mysupper | And another thing . |
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| 12:06.49 | mysupper | I have toshiba mg04 sata 4TB hdd and I saw some propaganda that that HDD can work on 4K format. |
| 12:06.59 | mysupper | Anybody using 4K format on debian? |
| 12:07.55 | mysupper | Some web published material constantly urged not using 4K format and if I do that , HDD will be insane. |
| 12:08.05 | mysupper | especially for linux. |
| 12:08.52 | mysupper | If 4K format will not work, I will not even try the 4K format. |
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| 12:09.18 | mysupper | Cause backup and restoring work is a torture. :) |
| 12:09.21 | jelly | mysupper: why would you care? |
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| 12:10.10 | jelly | most linux filesystems already use 4KiB as block size, and partitioning tools will properly align partitions |
| 12:10.34 | mysupper | Ok. |
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| 12:11.17 | mysupper | Is debian ready for that? I mean ,,,can I select 4K format in installing process? |
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| 12:15.54 | jelly | mysupper: I'm not sure what you mean by 4K format. |
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| 12:16.29 | mysupper | I mean HDD 4k format. |
| 12:16.48 | mysupper | Oldies goes with HDD block size as 512. |
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| 12:17.17 | mysupper | but using 4K format , we can got extra HDD space and perfomance and stability. |
| 12:17.24 | mysupper | That's what I heard. |
| 12:17.45 | mysupper | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=298744 |
| 12:19.31 | osram | mysupper: It's a solved problem. The forum post you quote is 5 years old. Modern fdisk/cfdisk/parted/etc. will align your partitions just fine. |
| 12:19.35 | osram | Try it and see. |
| 12:19.47 | mysupper | Ok. that's gooooooooooood! |
| 12:20.00 | mysupper | Now I got may road map. :) |
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| 12:20.23 | mysupper | install as 4K format and install dlna . |
| 12:20.41 | mysupper | Other Webdav thing will be easy, I guess. :) |
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| 12:21.06 | BadCodSmell | How do I reinstall sudo and get it to put back the sudoers file? |
| 12:21.18 | BadCodSmell | It got removed and I can't get it to restore the conf |
| 12:21.20 | trewas | mysupper: I think you select between 512 byte or 4kbyte sector when you buy the drive, I am not aware of one that allows changing the sector size on the fly |
| 12:21.51 | themill | dpkg: tell BadCodSmell about confmiss |
| 12:22.01 | BadCodSmell | -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" doesn't work |
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| 12:22.17 | mysupper | Gpart has that function. But what I'm scared is debian installation process has that feature |
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| 12:22.45 | BadCodSmell | I suspect the sudo package maintainer has put something into preinst |
| 12:23.13 | BadCodSmell | I guess dpkg -r might do it |
| 12:23.23 | themill | well you can inspect the preinst yourself... but you might like to define "doesn't work" a bit more carefully. |
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| 12:24.34 | BadCodSmell | Well it finally works after removing and excluding dependencies then reinstalling with confmiss |
| 12:24.36 | trewas | mysupper: I am fairly sure gparted only changes how the partitions are aligned |
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| 12:25.59 | osram | trewas: you' |
| 12:26.05 | osram | re right. |
| 12:26.56 | mysupper | Ok, |
| 12:26.59 | osram | Even though 4k drives may expose 512k logical sectors that alignment is important for performance reasons. |
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| 12:27.25 | mysupper | osram, Do you mean 512e? |
| 12:27.47 | mysupper | I heard there's 512e and native 4K surrounding 4K format. |
| 12:27.47 | osram | mysupper: 512b :) |
| 12:28.23 | mysupper | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format |
| 12:29.50 | osram | mysupper: 512e=4K native exposing 512b logical sectors |
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| 12:30.56 | mysupper | nope , that wiki page tells,,,"The translation of the 4096-byte physical format to a virtual 512-byte" |
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| 12:31.48 | osram | Ok, that aligns with what I just said. |
| 12:32.08 | trewas | for example I have 3TB seagate drive for which hdparm -I reports "Logical Sector size: 512 bytes" and "Physical Sector size: 4096 bytes", so 512e drive |
| 12:32.35 | mysupper | trewas , right that's 512e. |
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| 12:32.38 | Luzifer9999 | Hey Guys, can someone explain me what the column 'Pri' in htop differs to nice? |
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| 12:32.53 | trewas | the only thing special about such drives is the correct alignment of partitions, and gparted aligns to 1MiB by default which is fine |
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| 12:33.07 | jelly | mysupper: 512e is default on new HDDs, and there's no reason to mess with it or set explicit 4K |
| 12:33.21 | zinx | has a 400GB drive that reports 512 byte physical/logical sectors, but in reality has 4k sectors... and will crash the system under certain circumstances if you access them on non-4k boundaries |
| 12:33.44 | jelly | zinx: 400GB is a weird size. |
| 12:33.52 | SirLagz | zinx: 400GB drive ? is it like a SAS drive or something ? |
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| 12:34.00 | zinx | no, it's an old WD. |
| 12:34.14 | SirLagz | I don't ever recall 400GB drives |
| 12:34.18 | osram | SirLagz: I've had 450G SAS drives, not 400G. |
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| 12:34.35 | SirLagz | I have some 400GB SAS drives lol |
| 12:34.39 | mysupper | zinx, take a look at vendor's propaganda if ur HDD supports 4K |
| 12:34.51 | zinx | mysupper: vendor says that particular drive is 512 byte sectors. it's not. |
| 12:34.56 | osram | SirLagz: Heh. |
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| 12:35.14 | SirLagz | osram: Seagate drives though |
| 12:35.18 | zinx | mysupper: this was released before 4k sectors were a thing |
| 12:35.22 | mysupper | zinx, then that HDD can't be formated as 4K block size. |
| 12:35.40 | osram | mysupper: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linux-on-4kb-sector-disks/index.html is an interesting writeup of the problem. |
| 12:35.44 | zinx | mysupper: pardon? low-level format can't realisticly be done anyway.. i'm not sure what you're talking about there :/ |
| 12:35.48 | Luzifer9999 | No one? |
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| 12:36.10 | mysupper | osfe, yea that IBM sheet ,,I saw that |
| 12:36.14 | mysupper | So I |
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| 12:36.20 | jelly | Luzifer9999: it's pretty much the opposite of nice |
| 12:36.32 | mysupper | So I'm a little bit curious debian suports 4K format |
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| 12:37.04 | zinx | mysupper: it says it's 512 byte, physical and logical, makes no mention of 4k, and WD explicitly says it has 512 byte sectors, but if you zero out a sector that needs relocation without zeroing exactly 4k bytes on exactly a 4k boundary, it will cause a bus timeout, which many systems respond to by freezing or rebooting. |
| 12:37.04 | mysupper | If not, I will go traditional 512K format. |
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| 12:37.33 | zinx | mysupper: my only conclusion is that it is, in reality, a 4k drive with shitty firmware. |
| 12:37.36 | Luzifer9999 | ^jelly I do not understand the difference |
| 12:38.11 | mysupper | zinx, well maybe at this time. But I head future 4K format is set by HDD vendors. |
| 12:38.13 | zinx | (oh, to make matters more fun, it will also refuse to respond to probes for the next few boots) |
| 12:38.31 | zinx | mysupper: you are not making any sense to me :) |
| 12:38.44 | jelly | Luzifer9999: "nice" value is an instruction for the kernel how a process should be prioritized. "pri" is kernel's internal state of how a process really _is_ prioritized |
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| 12:39.51 | zinx | mysupper: as far as the OS is concerned, the drive is accessed the same way no matter how big or small the sectors are |
| 12:39.53 | Luzifer9999 | ok, but why is the 'pri' value still +20 |
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| 12:40.16 | jelly | Luzifer9999: because the numbers do not mean the same thing. |
| 12:40.20 | zinx | mysupper: the issue is in filesystem alignment and occasionally write size alignment |
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| 12:40.49 | jelly | Luzifer9999: priority takes values from 0-40 and 20 is default |
| 12:40.57 | cHarNe2 | Hi im trying to get the at and cron command to send the mail to an actual email-addres, and it looks like there is two ways of doing this, exim and postfix. What would you recommend for this? (we have an exchange-server if that matters) |
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| 12:41.14 | pzn | how can I change cron config, so it reads "generic crons" from "/etc/cron.d" and also from "/my/custom/cron.d/path/" ? |
| 12:41.25 | zinx | mysupper: there's no difference in filesystem formatting currently (apart from alignment), as major filesystems already use blocks that are 4k :/ |
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| 12:42.00 | zinx | mysupper: low-level drive format is irrelevant to the OS, or anything else talking to the drive for that matter |
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| 12:42.19 | fraff | pzn: see /etc/crontab |
| 12:42.41 | fraff | pzn: ha, cron.d ... I don't know |
| 12:43.10 | jelly | pzn: you can't. |
| 12:43.31 | pzn | fraff, jelly, using debian for embedded system. /etc will be read-only. I need to make cron read crontabs from other custom path. any hints? |
| 12:43.36 | mysupper | zinx, So,,,you point is there's no problems using 4K format in debian |
| 12:43.37 | mysupper | ? |
| 12:43.52 | fraff | pzn: mount -o bind maybe ? |
| 12:44.07 | jelly | pzn: symlinks, bind mounts, or rebuild with appropriate source changes |
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| 12:44.12 | zinx | mysupper: none at all |
| 12:44.17 | themill | pzn: root can still crontab -e ... |
| 12:44.20 | mysupper | gooood news. |
| 12:44.29 | zinx | mysupper: esp. in modern debian - it will align to 1MiB boundaries. |
| 12:44.53 | jelly | mysupper: why do you want to switch the drive into native 4K in the first place? |
| 12:44.56 | mysupper | great! I can go easy. :) |
| 12:45.11 | jelly | mysupper: the default works, and is the most tested |
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| 12:45.20 | pzn | fraff, jelly, themill: tks, I think I can solve with your hints. |
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| 12:45.48 | mysupper | jelly, vendor says I can get almost 4TB using 4k format although with traditional forms gives me 3.6TB from my 4TB HDD. |
| 12:46.14 | themill | sounds like the difference between kiB and kB. |
| 12:46.19 | mysupper | and another thing is 4K format is much faster and reliable ...that's vendor says. |
| 12:46.24 | zinx | mysupper: vendor is measuring TB differently than you |
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| 12:46.29 | jelly | mysupper: can you pastebin the exact thing the vendor said? |
| 12:46.38 | mysupper | ok. wait. |
| 12:46.43 | themill | (and 4TB drives were not released "before 4K was a thing") |
| 12:47.05 | zinx | themill: this one was :/ |
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| 12:47.21 | zinx | themill: WD4000AAKS |
| 12:47.34 | osram | lols at 'faster and reliable' |
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| 12:47.57 | jelly | zinx: it's possible that they're really talking about switching the device into presenting 4096B "native" sectors |
| 12:48.17 | themill | zinx: given 4k drives have been around for many years and 4TB drives have not, I'd say "no". |
| 12:48.29 | zinx | themill: ... i'm talking about a 400GB dive |
| 12:48.30 | zinx | drive |
| 12:48.31 | jelly | I'm not sure why that would make a difference in net usable capacity |
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| 12:48.48 | mysupper | http://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/us/product/storage-products/enterprise-hdd/mg04acaxxxx.html |
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| 12:49.21 | zinx | themill: and everything you read will say this drive is not 4k. based on its behavior, however, it most assuredly is 4k :/ |
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| 12:49.54 | jelly | mysupper: I don't see any change in capacity between 4Kn and 512e there |
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| 12:51.09 | trewas | looks like 4Kn and 512e versions are different model numbers, no option to change it after the fact |
| 12:51.44 | jelly | that makes sense, but possibly the firmware can be flashed or configured to the other mode after the fact |
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| 12:59.11 | jelly | mysupper: did you already buy the disks or are you just planning to? |
| 12:59.39 | mysupper | I already bought one for my box. :) |
| 13:00.07 | mysupper | And xpenology installed. |
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| 13:00.30 | jelly | mysupper: did you buy the ...A or the ...E model? |
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| 13:00.46 | mysupper | it's 4K native model. |
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| 13:00.57 | jelly | mysupper: and it works? |
| 13:01.12 | mysupper | not for xpenology . |
| 13:01.27 | mysupper | xpenololy do not support 4K format. |
| 13:01.31 | jelly | I don't know what xpenology is, sorry. |
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| 13:02.17 | mysupper | heh..xpenology is a NAS OS copied from synology system. It uses debian internally. :) |
| 13:02.36 | mysupper | But not really debian. |
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| 13:02.53 | jelly | mysupper: boot an actual debian live image and see if it recognizes the drive |
| 13:03.09 | mysupper | that's what I am going to do . |
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| 13:03.22 | mysupper | After I finish this long wasting back up process. :) |
| 13:03.42 | carnau | Is there any way to determine from where the system gets the ip of a hostname provided? |
| 13:03.49 | mysupper | I subscribed to crash plan - a company support backup using linux client. |
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| 13:04.25 | SirLagz | carnau: do you mean what DNS server a system is using ? |
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| 13:05.26 | mysupper | http://www.code42.com/crashplan/ ....really slow backup system. but supports linux client. :) with no limit quantity. :) |
| 13:05.28 | carnau | SirLagz, not exactly. The thing is that in one of my machines I can ping virt.example.com, and it returns an AWS ip, but I can't nslookup that name |
| 13:05.45 | carnau | in fact, I just only can ping that hostname from that machine |
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| 13:06.10 | carnau | It's not in the /etc/hosts file, so I need to guess where the system get it |
| 13:06.21 | carnau | *is getting it |
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| 13:08.31 | carnau | so, as nslookup returns zero result for that hostname, and it's not in my hosts file, I don't really know how I am able to ping it. |
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| 13:17.16 | jelly | mysupper: linux, in general, shouldn't have problems dealing with 4K native, but you might need a recent kernel for some latest fixes. I'm not sure what sata controllers need to support. |
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| 13:18.17 | mysupper | jelly, Don't worry I will try it and tell this channel whether debian can run that...and check consistency . |
| 13:18.49 | mysupper | I have a good backup strategy and I don't worry about data loss. |
| 13:19.26 | mysupper | but weak point is....too slow backup speed. :) |
| 13:19.47 | mysupper | MAX 1MB/s . :( |
| 13:20.54 | mysupper | Now, I'm watching mediatomb docs. and it tells I shoud prepare iptable block plan. |
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| 13:27.55 | blusteal | hello ladies and gentlemen, I am having a bit of trouble with debian on a macbook pro 2014. I am on Yosemite, I dual boot using refind, partition the hdd install debian 7.8.0, when I boot up the screen is gray, the resolution is terrible and nothing is working properly. I can't really see anything on screen. Is this a problem w/ the retina display or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 13:29.44 | Iridos | I have no idea about macbooks, but I think there's some specific docu for that hardware |
| 13:29.47 | Iridos | dpkg, macbookpro |
| 13:29.47 | dpkg | The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro . See also <bcm4331>, <laptop>. |
| 13:31.45 | blusteal | I really wish that I could take a screenshot and show you but I can't get anything done when I boot up the linux partition |
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| 13:32.16 | Iridos | blusteal, if that's not helpful and nobody else in here knows anything, you could try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net.... which is more focused on installers/boot process (dunno if anybody there knows macbook-specific stuff, though) |
| 13:32.43 | blusteal | I am downloading Jessie now in hopes that will help the problem but my initial cd was 7.7, 7.8 now i'm trying testing |
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| 13:32.56 | blusteal | Iridos thanks I'll go check that out as well |
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| 13:34.39 | dopesmoker | how i train hammerdwarf if doens't exist training hammers? |
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| 13:34.43 | petn-randall | blusteal: Did you get wheezy successfully installed? If yes, you can just upgrade in-place, no need to reinstall. |
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| 13:35.14 | blusteal | petn-randall it installs but nothing works, just looks like a gray fuzzed screen |
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| 13:35.41 | petn-randall | blusteal: In that case you might give the jessie installer a go. |
| 13:35.51 | abrotman | He says he's trying testing? |
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| 13:36.09 | blusteal | abrotman I am downloading testing atm |
| 13:36.15 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 13:51.12 | ThKo | Hi guys, where should I put my PATH-Variable that they are available in bin/sh shell? Thanks :) |
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| 13:54.13 | abrotman | ThKo: depends what /bin/sh is, and how you're logging in |
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| 13:54.38 | ThKo | abrotman: I need the PATH for executing a command by www-data. |
| 13:54.43 | ThKo | with PHP |
| 13:54.51 | abrotman | ThKo: ls -l /bin/sh |
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| 13:55.20 | ThKo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 1 2012 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 13:55.22 | abrotman | but probably /etc/profile |
| 13:55.28 | ThKo | Ok |
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| 13:56.08 | ThKo | I’ll try it. THanks :) |
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| 13:56.38 | abrotman | ThKo: ISTR that apache has an environment file of its owwn ? |
| 13:57.09 | abrotman | ThKo: /etc/apache2/envvars perhaps? |
| 13:57.30 | ThKo | Other idea, ok. |
| 13:59.44 | ThKo | hmm, ok both aren’t working… /etc/profile and /etc/apache2/envvars |
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| 14:03.39 | jelly | ThKo: what's the PATH set to now when your php engine of choice is running? |
| 14:03.52 | jelly | did you restart apache service? |
| 14:03.59 | ThKo | Restart the whole server |
| 14:04.14 | ThKo | Executing now it returns: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin LANG=C SHELL=/bin/sh LOGNAME=root USER=root USERNAME=root MAIL=/var/mail/root HOME=/root TERM=unknown SUDO_COMMAND=/usr/bin/env SUDO_USER=www-data SUDO_UID=33 SUDO_GID=33 |
| 14:04.38 | jelly | ThKo: why are SUDO env. vars set? |
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| 14:09.03 | jelly | ThKo: sudo sets up its own environment and will not inherit env.vars from the caller process |
| 14:09.33 | NickyP | debian wheezy version Python 2.7.3 ;ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/pyexpat.so: undefined symbol: XML_SetHashSalt // Is there a backport solution to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665346 |
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| 14:12.28 | RayzrShrp | seriously why do brute force attacks keep trying to use kathi as a username lol |
| 14:12.32 | RayzrShrp | there is no kathi on my system |
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| 14:17.00 | Iridos | RayzrShrp, ask yourself what they know that you don't |
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| 14:22.23 | Iridos | ... kathi |
| 14:22.25 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 14:22.33 | superlinux | hi! is it true? jessie will be out on march? |
| 14:23.02 | jelly | superlinux: where did you read that? |
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| 14:23.21 | superlinux | just asking |
| 14:23.25 | superlinux | ☺ |
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| 14:24.10 | jelly | superlinux: it's getting close, but there's no hard date set. Just like last time, I think you were here when wheezy was frozen. |
| 14:24.14 | jelly | !wwjr |
| 14:24.15 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
| 14:24.23 | jelly | !richihwwjr |
| 14:24.23 | dpkg | When _might_ jessie release? Read the latest blog at http://richardhartmann.de/tags/tech/floss/debian/rc-stats/8.0-jessie/ and guess yourself! |
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| 14:24.31 | ThKo | jelly: sorry. I’m trying to have a look for the error. So I try to execute everything as sudo. |
| 14:24.51 | jelly | ThKo: sudo creates a whole other set of issues. |
| 14:25.21 | ThKo | Ok, only executing without sudo, only as www-data: APACHE_RUN_DIR=/var/run/apache2 APACHE_PID_FILE=/var/run/apache2.pid PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/android-sdk-linux/tools:/usr/local/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools APACHE_LOCK_DIR=/var/lock/apache2 LANG=C APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data APACHE_LOG_DIR=/var/log/apache2 PWD=/var/www ANDROID_HOME=/usr/local/android-sdk-linux |
| 14:25.24 | yagi | Current bugs in Jessie: In Total: 1083 (Including 186 bugs affecting key packages) |
| 14:25.38 | ThKo | wtf |
| 14:25.45 | ThKo | There’s my path... |
| 14:26.16 | jelly | ThKo: so it's not the PATH that's problematic |
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| 14:28.58 | Kingsy | I am getting some low level errors in dmesg.. can someone take a look at see what they think the problem might be ? |
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| 14:29.55 | Iridos | Kingsy, I guess someone could if you put them in e.g. paste.debian.net |
| 14:30.04 | Kingsy | well I have --> http://pastie.org/9883082 <-- |
| 14:30.11 | Kingsy | sorry not the best pastie |
| 14:30.29 | ThKo | jelly: Maybe a problem could be that my path vars only for www-data and not for root? |
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| 14:31.03 | jelly | ThKo: what's root got to do with running stuff as www-data? |
| 14:31.54 | ThKo | jelly: I want to run cordova (phonegap) as root. |
| 14:32.17 | Iridos | somewhat unhappy harddisk? |
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| 14:33.50 | jelly | ThKo: so run it. Use the full path if you're going via sudo, or configure sudo properly (man 5 sudoers might be useful) |
| 14:33.57 | Kingsy | Iridos: haha I assumed that much |
| 14:34.02 | Kingsy | but I was hoping to find out more information |
| 14:34.07 | ThKo | jelly: I’ll try it, thanks |
| 14:34.10 | Kingsy | which hard disk specifically.. what is wrong with it |
| 14:34.13 | Kingsy | etc etc |
| 14:34.59 | Kingsy | I have mdadm running on this installation if that makes any difference |
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| 14:42.05 | Walex | Kingsy: 'smartctl --all /dev/sd.... | less' |
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| 14:42.54 | Kingsy | Walex: on the drive or the partition? |
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| 14:43.32 | frostschutz | Kingsy, nopaste smartctl -a for each drive, if you like... if there's nothing in there, it could also be the controller/cable |
| 14:44.59 | Kingsy | ok 1 second |
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| 14:45.29 | Kingsy | out of curiousity.. can I pipe a function straight into a pastie? |
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| 14:45.35 | Kingsy | rather than copy and paste? |
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| 14:46.52 | Vroomfondel | Kingsy: you mean pipe output directly to a pastebin? |
| 14:47.20 | Vroomfondel | Kingsy: there's a package called 'pastebinit' that does that |
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| 14:47.31 | Kingsy | awesome |
| 14:47.47 | neglesaks | question - running VIrtualbox w/ Deb7 - i'm unable to setup a newtork connection, though ifconfig says eth0 is up w/ an assigned IPv4 address, but the network control panel just says my network interfact is "Unmanaged" and the netw thingy in the menu bar says "no valid active connections found!". |
| 14:47.49 | neglesaks | ANy ideas? |
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| 14:48.29 | sigur | dunno if this is a debian related problem, can't really pinpoint the problem, but I'm afraid something off with python on my system: i get strange errors whenever i try to execute pip or livestreamer: http://paste.debian.net/143752/ http://paste.debian.net/143751/ . What could that be? Where should I look for an answer? |
| 14:48.54 | Kingsy | ok |
| 14:49.02 | Kingsy | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/143753/ |
| 14:49.09 | Kingsy | frostschutz: ^^ thats my sda |
| 14:49.53 | Kingsy | http://paste.debian.net/143754/ <-- sdb |
| 14:49.59 | Kingsy | http://paste.debian.net/143755/ <-- sdc |
| 14:50.07 | Kingsy | http://paste.debian.net/143756/ <-- sdd |
| 14:50.10 | Kingsy | and thats all my drives |
| 14:50.45 | Iridos | Kingsy, it's a good time to have backups for sure |
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| 14:51.13 | Kingsy | Iridos: I don't see any errors.. can you? |
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| 14:52.00 | frostschutz | Kingsy, the last one has a very high udma crc error count. try replacing the cable |
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| 14:52.29 | Kingsy | ah ok |
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| 14:53.11 | frostschutz | Kingsy, otherwise I don't see anything out of the ordinary, but you could run a smart selftest on them (-t long) |
| 14:53.16 | Iridos | Kingsy, well, the ones in your dmesg... two things a) the communication electronics of the disk might be failing b) in pre-sata times around 2000-2005ish, I had a disk that gave a lot of IO-errors under linux and ran fine under windows. c) wear-leveling count means SSD? That'd be different from regular HDDs and not so much experiences with it exist |
| 14:53.30 | Iridos | ah, yes.. Samsung SSD 840 |
| 14:54.11 | Iridos | that's a good idea... the dmesg errors were udma errors as well... |
| 14:54.19 | Iridos | and the cable's probably the only bit that *can* be replaced |
| 14:54.23 | Iridos | apart from the whole disk |
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| 14:56.30 | frostschutz | you could also replace the sata controller (different mobo, card, whatever) |
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| 15:08.53 | blusteal | hello guys, I just wanted to come back and say Jessie mostly solved the display problem, I have display although everything is tiny, I can fix that later |
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| 15:11.02 | blusteal | I don't have internet over on that version so I have to boot back over into mac to talk to you guys for now but I should be able to get everything else setup, thanks for all the help |
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| 15:12.25 | Kingsy | Iridos: ah ok.. well I will replace the cable.. see if that helps |
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| 15:17.59 | Kingsy | hmm looks like I am still having problems |
| 15:18.09 | Kingsy | Iridos: you still there? |
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| 15:29.42 | dAnjou | hi, i'm not sure how to "read" this page: https://packages.qa.debian.org/r/red5.html could someone tell me how likely it is that this package gets into jessie? |
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| 15:32.49 | phaer | dAnjou, unlikely, from the linked page: "Not touching package due to block request by freeze (check https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html if update is needed)" |
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| 15:33.10 | Walex | dAnjou: the 'testing' archive which may eventually released as 8/Jessie is *frozen*. What's in and what's out will not change. |
| 15:33.56 | phaer | dAnjou, In other words jessie has already been freezed so there won't be any new packages there. You could of course install it from sid or build a package for jessie manually if its important enough for you |
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| 15:37.39 | dAnjou | phaer, Walex: i see, thanks :) |
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| 16:15.22 | utopiah | hi #debian ... I'm lost, df says / is full but when I use du it should be 90% empty |
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| 16:16.01 | phy1729 | utopiah: gist the output of both please |
| 16:16.31 | ix | Reserved blocks, maybe? |
| 16:16.40 | utopiah | I checked inodes too |
| 16:16.56 | utopiah | ok 1min please |
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| 16:17.32 | jelly | utopiah: lsof -n +L1 ? |
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| 16:18.58 | utopiah | yes I checked too deleted files but nothing big, just old stuff from /tmp when I started to panick |
| 16:19.31 | nase7 | hello everybody. after some days work, I now am capable of cross-compiling stuff on my workstation for my ARM jessie NAS box. My plan is to compile kernel modules which are missing there (dm_mod etc, for LUKS). Now the souces for those missing modules aren't included in the manufactors sources, d'oh! am I assuming right that "source is source", I don't have to take care of the right kernelversion, distribution or architecture? |
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| 16:20.33 | utopiah | https://gist.github.com/0479d64f6559318e2e29.git |
| 16:20.43 | utopiah | phy1729 ix jelly ^ |
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| 16:22.00 | utopiah | I also did a sync just in case but no changes |
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| 16:24.01 | jelly | utopiah: bah, can't open it in either firefox or chrome? |
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| 16:24.18 | nase7 | heh me neither! :-) |
| 16:24.30 | utopiah | so... pastebin? |
| 16:24.45 | utopiah | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Utopiah/0479d64f6559318e2e29/raw/d68c62a33c8f0a55d0e51cdd413645e7edbd9d45/gistfile1.txt |
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| 16:25.15 | jelly | utopiah: run du with -x next time |
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| 16:25.37 | phy1729 | just have to remove .git from the gist link |
| 16:25.55 | utopiah | jelly: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Utopiah/16d5717644e7a2114bda/raw/27d53c5e3581abd8f0c0f30d5a81fa3427a5f319/gistfile1.txt |
| 16:26.03 | jelly | utopiah: if you're not careful, you might have had files hiding on the / filesystem, but under the /home mountpoint |
| 16:26.28 | utopiah | jelly: I checked on / and I tried to remount /home but ... maybe I didn't do that properly |
| 16:26.45 | jelly | you'd have to umount it to take a look |
| 16:26.50 | nase7 | ah, thx, phy1729! |
| 16:26.50 | utopiah | :/ |
| 16:26.55 | utopiah | no other choice? |
| 16:26.57 | jelly | no |
| 16:27.06 | jelly | single user mode it is! |
| 16:27.20 | utopiah | how the heck could something have sneaked under that while it was already mounted |
| 16:27.33 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 16:27.37 | utopiah | checking |
| 16:29.29 | nase7 | so, are linux (kernel module) sources dependent on architecture and/or kernel version? |
| 16:30.24 | dondelelcaro | nase7: no, yes. |
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| 16:31.07 | dondelelcaro | though some modules are architecture-dependent, or may not have been coded properly to work on other architectures |
| 16:31.36 | jelly | nase7: however, there is some hardware that only exists on specific architectures |
| 16:31.44 | nase7 | thx dondelelcaro! that makes it easier! |
| 16:32.57 | nase7 | uname -r says 3.2.26, so the source should be "3.2"? or is it more specific even? |
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| 16:34.17 | dondelelcaro | it's more specific. but why aren't you using the Debian kernel? it has all of those modules built |
| 16:34.39 | jelly | nase7: are you still trying to build a kernel for that wd nas thing? |
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| 16:36.01 | utopiah | jelly: ... nope even after umounting /home nothing under there |
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| 16:36.39 | jelly | utopiah: weird. reboot, fsck, see what happens |
| 16:36.41 | utopiah | when I sum on du / I get 9g used, when I checked df it's 90g used... |
| 16:37.11 | jelly | utopiah: does the situation persist thru reboots? |
| 16:37.24 | utopiah | still waiting, fsck takes time |
| 16:38.08 | nase7 | Yes :-) I'm fighting with a WD "my cloud" box. It's ARM based, and runs Jessie. They intentionally left out encryption stuff, to be able to sell it worldwide. My scenario needs LUKS support. The second thing they did is "64k page mode" or the like, which makes downloading anything via apt impossible. I now have a working crosscompile-environment on my workstation, and successfully compiled something and installed it on the NAS. |
| 16:38.19 | utopiah | but Im not so happy to have to do that since I was holding an update from Debian 6.x to 7.x (apt-get -d) so I hope somehow it won't try to start the updates on its own with a suposedly full HD |
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| 16:39.00 | utopiah | I think what might have happened was a rsync to an external HD failed beacuse it disappaered (sic) during it |
| 16:39.02 | nase7 | Next step is figuring out how to compile kernel modules. Compiling the kernel itself works, still underway. I hope to simply compile the external kernel modules needed, and copy them over. |
| 16:39.06 | dondelelcaro | nase7: if it's running jessie, then you should just be able to deploy a full jessie kernel to it, or alternatively, cross compile it. |
| 16:39.31 | utopiah | anyway, still waiting |
| 16:39.49 | nase7 | dondelelcaro: I was strongly suggested to not just use a stock kernel. Although this would be sweet :-) |
| 16:40.04 | jelly | nase7: ask the vendor for kernel sources used. |
| 16:40.14 | dondelelcaro | nase7: by whom? I mean, a stock kernel might be overkill, but it should just work |
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| 16:41.17 | jelly | it's an arm board with who knows what hacks applied to uboot, and who knows what hacks applied to the kernel tree |
| 16:41.27 | jelly | (_if_ it uses uboot at all) |
| 16:41.30 | nase7 | jelly: I have all sources (I believe). I don't know what influence that "64k pagesize" has, and if I can change that to the regular (as I understand) 4k to have working packagemanagement.. |
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| 16:43.29 | nase7 | I'll gladly try different things, no problem restoring via a dd image to known-good state. a normal debian installation, just as I am used to on my workstation, would be the most awesome outcome here. |
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| 16:46.38 | nase7 | yes, it uses uboot |
| 16:47.38 | phaer | Sadly, at least in my experience there's no such thing as a "normal" debian installation on ARM yet, if "normal" is defined as "the same as on x86" |
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| 16:49.24 | nase7 | yes, I already got used to that thought.. I'd be happy with a working apt and having the expected modules available. |
| 16:51.27 | jelly | phaer: allwinner boards with their bootable uSD are probably as close to normal as possible |
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| 16:52.25 | phaer | jelly, "as close as" might be, but I still had strange issues with usb and pcmia wifi devices on my cubieboard2 which uses an allwinner A20 iirc |
| 16:54.08 | phaer | jelly, debian itself works well all around, on allwinner devices my remaining problems are mostly unstable/disfunction device drivers |
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| 16:55.07 | jelly | yes well. I lurk in the devs channel and ask stupid questions about those situations |
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| 16:55.23 | utopiah | fsck taking forever, it's killing me :/ |
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| 17:00.52 | pkkm | I'm writing a script that can suspend the computer. It uses `systemctl suspend` or `pm-suspend`, whichever is available. What action should it take when both are? Are the commands going to do exactly the same, or are there some differences? |
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| 17:01.48 | nase7 | YES! the kernel compile went through! took long, but finished! :-) Now, onto the kernel modules! |
| 17:02.28 | LiENUS | trying to figure out if this is a debian bug or if i dont understand dash |
| 17:03.07 | LiENUS | i have two files test and test2 |
| 17:03.14 | LiENUS | test2 contains just echo test |
| 17:03.19 | LiENUS | test contains . test2 |
| 17:03.30 | LiENUS | well #!/bin/sh and then . test2 |
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| 17:03.42 | LiENUS | when i run test i get ./test: 2: .: test2: not found |
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| 17:03.56 | LiENUS | but if i change to #!/bin/bash |
| 17:04.00 | LiENUS | i get test |
| 17:04.21 | LiENUS | if i use absolute path to test2 after . it works... |
| 17:04.24 | LiENUS | with dash or bash |
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| 17:05.17 | utopiah | jelly: still 100% after reboot :( |
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| 17:05.43 | LiENUS | this of course leads to some interesting problems because if [ -f "test2" ] passes |
| 17:05.48 | LiENUS | then the . test2 fails |
| 17:05.48 | utopiah | (and /home on the other HD didn't past fsck but I can't even boot for now) |
| 17:06.44 | jelly | utopiah: uname -a ? |
| 17:07.35 | utopiah | 2.6.32-5 |
| 17:07.50 | jelly | utopiah: surely that's not all it says? |
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| 17:08.03 | utopiah | it's a lot more but i'm an another machine ;) |
| 17:08.17 | jelly | mhm |
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| 17:08.56 | utopiah | jelly: Linux servername 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:34:35 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:09.23 | jelly | utopiah: I'd boot from a safe, known good live image (grml.org perhaps), then mount the root filesystem and do du -x on it again |
| 17:09.23 | utopiah | ugh Ithink I found the culprit |
| 17:10.00 | jelly | also you didn't patch the kernel (squeeze-lts repo not enabled?) |
| 17:10.19 | utopiah | no I was going to switch to Wheezy today |
| 17:10.25 | jelly | ah |
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| 17:11.03 | nase7 | utopiah: what was it, in the end? |
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| 17:11.45 | utopiah | nase7: Im not 100% but I think just like I said during a rsync on the USB harddrive it silently unmounted so the system continued to rsync on /media thus / thus filling it |
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| 17:11.56 | jelly | utopiah: "du -x /path/to/rootfs-mount | sort -n | tail -50" from the livecd would be interesting |
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| 17:12.19 | utopiah | I'll clean the HD reboot fsck again and... hopefully should be fine |
| 17:12.30 | utopiah | but then I will skip the upgrade for today, enough hair loss |
| 17:12.36 | srg | What's a good way to seed /dev/random? |
| 17:12.48 | jelly | srg: once or all the time? |
| 17:13.14 | srg | jelly: Once. I'm downloading a debian dvd iso to supply network activity for entropy |
| 17:13.22 | srg | I also ran `du -a /` a few times |
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| 17:13.50 | jelly | oh. Dunno then. I'd take a look at haveged if the system was lacking in entropy. |
| 17:14.24 | srg | I'm generating some async crypto keys and it's hanging on collection of entropy |
| 17:14.26 | srg | hm |
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| 17:17.25 | frostschutz | srg, install haveged |
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| 17:18.20 | ast__ | hello, got a problem with preseed raid-recipe, it only creates one partition: d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string multiraid :: 1024 2000 1024 raid $lvmignore{ } $primary{ } method{ raid } . 1000 100 -1 raid $lvmignore{ } $primary{ } method{ raid } |
| 17:18.24 | ast__ | any ideas? |
| 17:18.32 | frostschutz | srg, or usb-ip and wiggle your mouse ;) |
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| 17:19.35 | johnkeates | wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah |
| 17:20.09 | srg | frostschutz: no mouse or usb, this is a server |
| 17:20.14 | srg | I'll install haveged though! thanks |
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| 17:21.38 | aLmostHumAn | hello |
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| 17:22.07 | aLmostHumAn | I've tried to install the nvidia drivers on wheezy for my asus eeepc1201PN and i failed it |
| 17:22.25 | aLmostHumAn | the noveau drivers still do work but dont support OpenGL anymore |
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| 17:27.22 | nase7 | I suppose kernelmodules aren't distribution dependent? So the kernel sources from any "3.2.26" kernel should do, as far as the modules are concerned? |
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| 17:29.16 | dondelelcaro | nase7: they are distribution dependent |
| 17:29.48 | dondelelcaro | it's relatiavely common for distributions to have their own patches, and cherry pick bug fixes from later kernel versions |
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| 17:33.30 | halt | Hi all, I try to find changes on the server, comparing to the the standard setup, like config etc, is there any smart way to doing it, then build up an other mashine with the same package list and then run diff on it ? |
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| 17:34.41 | halt | it whould be nice to get the list per package, I can find the list of file sbelongs to one specific package but how can i have the repo version and the running modified verion on the same box that's the bigger issue |
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| 17:36.04 | nase7 | dondelelcaro: would kernel-module-sources from kernel.org in version 3.2.66 work on my 3.2.26 Jessie? Only (sha256 aes dm_mod dm_crypt cbc) are needed, I don't think they change often.. |
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| 17:37.37 | ast__ | frostschutz |
| 17:37.42 | ast__ | sag ma was dazu :) bitte |
| 17:38.24 | L3R4F | Hello there :) Quick question : my folder /dev/disks/by-uuid/ is missing ... I cannot understand why. Any idea ? |
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| 17:39.19 | L3R4F | Is it created at startup ? |
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| 17:39.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't have a /dev/disks directory, so i have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 17:40.19 | L3R4F | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.42 | nase7 | halt: I have a script which checks /boot for any changes (in combination with full-disk-encryption). It's from a german computer magazine, smart guys. maybe take something like that as a base and edit it to check everything? It will probably take a whole day though ;-) |
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| 17:41.44 | srg | Is it still recommended to have the `openss[h|l]-blacklist` packages installed? |
| 17:42.17 | dondelelcaro | nase7: mabye, but it's hard to say. If the ABI or API has changed any, they won't work. Normally, the modules detect that the version is different, and just straight won't load. |
| 17:42.29 | dondelelcaro | nase7: that's primarily to protect the kernel from suddenly failing |
| 17:42.30 | halt | nase7:sounds interesting, can you pastebin it somewhere ? It could be good for a source ( I have to apply configutation managedment to an existing server, but I have no docs or clue what was changed ... ) |
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| 17:46.59 | nase7 | dondelelcaro: *sigh* thanks for the warning.. any hints to get a very specific source version then? 3.2.26 it should be, I have no luck in finding any.. |
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| 17:47.20 | nase7 | halt: I'll look for a link, so at least you load it from them, not from a pastebin :-) |
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| 17:47.28 | black_screen | hi |
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| 17:47.34 | blubee | hello guys I'm bluesteal from earlier, I've gotten Jessie up and running on the mac book pro, installed nvidia drivers but text is still rather small. Other than that everything else seems to be doing great |
| 17:47.39 | blubee | thanks for the help earlier |
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| 17:48.02 | jhutchins | !dpi |
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| 17:48.03 | dpkg | Your Dots Per Inch (DPI) setting affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_millimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config>. http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
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| 17:48.51 | black_screen | I'm getting black scren but with mouse insted of login screen |
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| 17:49.41 | nase7 | halt: http://www.heise.de/ct/12/03/links/146.shtml you want the "chkboot" archive, it even has an english readme :-) |
| 17:51.43 | halt | nase7: Thx, and no trouble hopeful I did not forget everything ( learned German for 8 years ... ) |
| 17:52.07 | blubee | I didn't place any dpi settings anywhere, also the xorg.conf was generated by nvidia-xconfig |
| 17:52.15 | nase7 | halt: then the liesmich.txt is mandatory! ;-) |
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| 17:53.11 | black_screen | spmeone? |
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| 17:54.52 | black_screen | it's not a good day for help? |
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| 17:55.01 | halt | nase7: Thanks again I will have a look and come back with the result, now it's hometime bye |
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| 17:56.08 | halt | black_screen: Crtl+Alt+(Some of the F key like F1) for console then try to get something out from the logs |
| 17:56.09 | nase7 | halt: see you, good luck! |
| 17:56.40 | nase7 | dondelelcaro: oh! the needed sources are already there! |
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| 17:58.43 | black_screen | halt: ok, i'm in tty1 |
| 17:58.50 | _4dnan_ | Hi. For some reason I am only getting mono sound. I'm using alsa. I couldn't find how to set it to stereo. Thanks. |
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| 18:00.03 | black_screen | halt: what log? |
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| 18:06.43 | blubee | hi guys sorry, I got disconnected |
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| 18:16.39 | Komanda | i'm looking for the latest ec2 ami of debian unstable/testing |
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| 18:19.24 | Komanda | what is the latest release right now and how do i get it on ec2? |
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| 18:20.56 | Bierdieb | ive downloaded a net-install iso of debian 7. i want to boot another machine from usb with that net installer. will i need to dd the .iso on the usbstick? |
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| 18:21.44 | teraflops | Bierdieb: yes |
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| 18:22.31 | Komanda | what is the latest debian sid release? |
| 18:22.42 | Bierdieb | thx teraflops , ill try that |
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| 18:23.46 | blubee | is it possible to install the latest kde plasma 5 on jessie? |
| 18:23.56 | wyre | hi guys! i'm having some issues with this update of systemd !! ...http://paste.debian.net/143794/ |
| 18:24.08 | wyre | i cant shutdown, hibernate or suspend the PC |
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| 18:24.13 | wyre | always turn on! :S |
| 18:24.17 | wyre | anew! |
| 18:24.26 | wyre | http://paste.debian.net/143794/ |
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| 18:25.04 | cuco | hi all, i am installing debian testing on a new machine. on boot it gets stucked while "Mounting Huge Pages File System" for more then 10 minutes |
| 18:25.08 | cuco | any ideas? |
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| 18:27.34 | ponyofdeath | hi, how do I create a vlan tag on a interface with a different name than eth0.10? i want to have ext0 but have it also tag with vlan 10? do I have to do pre-up vconfig add eth1 10? or is there a good syntax for the interfaces file? |
| 18:27.53 | Komanda | appearantly to run debian sid you have to add the sources to testing |
| 18:28.03 | Komanda | then how de fuck do i get debian testing on ec2 |
| 18:28.13 | Komanda | why is running the latest version so complicated |
| 18:28.25 | Komanda | wich imbiciles designed the debian website |
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| 18:28.46 | OSVG | Because it's not the latest version, it's an unstable testbed. |
| 18:28.51 | utopiah | so... if there is just one small file in lost+found an fsck does it mean the rest is ok? |
| 18:28.54 | OSVG | the latest release is still 7.7 |
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| 18:28.58 | OSVG | Or 7.8 |
| 18:29.11 | Komanda | OSVG: i need to get the unstable testbed running on ec2 |
| 18:29.17 | srg | I'm getting "adjtime failed: Operation not permitted" when running OpenNTPd on Jessie. Any ideas why? |
| 18:29.22 | Komanda | what would be the easiest path to accomplish that? |
| 18:29.34 | OSVG | Komanda: Unless it's offered by Amazon, you'd need to take it up with them. |
| 18:29.45 | OSVG | Their paravirtualization method may not offer Sid. |
| 18:30.06 | Komanda | you can export a vm into amazon |
| 18:30.07 | OSVG | Since I have a feeling they have very few requests for it. |
| 18:30.24 | OSVG | You can certainly try that then. |
| 18:30.39 | Komanda | is there a vm of sid available? |
| 18:30.55 | OSVG | Sure, you'd download virtualbox (Free) create a VM, install Sid, export it. |
| 18:31.03 | black_screen2 | hi |
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| 18:31.15 | Komanda | i have virtualbox alreaady installed |
| 18:31.17 | OSVG | Assuming that Amazon supports the format that Virtualbox exports to. |
| 18:31.21 | Komanda | yeah |
| 18:31.27 | Komanda | importing/exporting should work |
| 18:31.31 | OSVG | Otherwise the better question is why do you "need" Sid? |
| 18:31.33 | black_screen2 | this is the log from /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log |
| 18:31.36 | Komanda | only looking for the latest |
| 18:31.38 | Komanda | iso |
| 18:31.38 | black_screen2 | http://paste.debian.net/143800/ |
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| 18:31.41 | OSVG | Is there a package that you cannot backport? |
| 18:31.52 | OSVG | There is no latest iso really, since Sid is unstable. |
| 18:31.58 | Komanda | yeah need some feautures that are only in sid |
| 18:32.04 | black_screen2 | someone can help me to solve the black screen? |
| 18:32.09 | Komanda | for wich people adviced me to run sid* |
| 18:32.09 | OSVG | Are you sure you don't want to use Ubuntu then? |
| 18:32.13 | Komanda | anyways |
| 18:32.26 | Komanda | there is a iso available of testing? |
| 18:32.31 | Komanda | then i can add sources |
| 18:32.34 | Komanda | and update into sid |
| 18:32.35 | Komanda | right? |
| 18:32.47 | OSVG | Your fastest path would be to create a VM, install an RC of Jessie, add sources and follow the procedure to update to Sid. |
| 18:33.11 | Komanda | rc of jessie is that stable or testing? |
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| 18:33.16 | cuco | adding to grub's menu "hugepages=0" does not help, system still hangs. |
| 18:33.17 | Komanda | thanks for your help btw <3 |
| 18:33.34 | black_screen2 | #siltaz |
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| 18:34.48 | Komanda | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2015/20150126 |
| 18:35.05 | Komanda | am i blind or isn't there a download link on this page? |
| 18:35.10 | Komanda | seriously |
| 18:35.25 | Komanda | mass graves look more visually appealing |
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| 18:36.07 | teraflops | Komanda: please ... https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 18:36.39 | OSVG | Komanda: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ <--- Follow this if you're still having issues. |
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| 18:37.01 | Komanda | teraflops: why isn't there a link to that page on the page i linked earlier? |
| 18:37.09 | Komanda | usability of debian site is crap |
| 18:37.22 | Komanda | 9/10 visitors only come with one purpose |
| 18:37.32 | teraflops | Komanda: is a matter of stop blaming and do a simple google search |
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| 18:39.42 | cuco | transparent_hugepage=never does not help as well. |
| 18:39.49 | Komanda | teraflops: so you are saying the designers of the debian site shouldn't be shot? look at ubuntu/apple, they do it 100x better |
| 18:39.53 | teraflops | Komanda: also there is no sid version sid is always sid |
| 18:40.03 | Komanda | ah ok |
| 18:40.04 | cuco | choosing recovery from grub gets stucked. |
| 18:40.04 | Komanda | thanks |
| 18:40.21 | cuco | i am now on a console, booted using "init=/bin/sh" |
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| 18:41.02 | moss | I am trying to install debian from a livecd - when trying to manually create lvms, i am getting "command not found" for pvcreate |
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| 18:42.48 | CtrlC | Hi guys, Is it OK to do sed -i -e 's/ \(stable\|wheezy\)/ testing/ig' /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade? |
| 18:43.23 | cuco | CtrlC: it should work, yes. this is also tested by several folks. (I did it several releases ago) |
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| 18:43.54 | CtrlC | So you had no problem at all? |
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| 18:44.27 | cuco | CtrlC: "back then" no . Not testing right now. But, **** it,it should work :) |
| 18:44.40 | CtrlC | cuco: Thanks.:) |
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| 18:45.12 | CtrlC | When is jessie going to be the stable version?;/ |
| 18:45.29 | cuco | CtrlC: when all critical bugs are resolved. |
| 18:45.42 | moss | I am trying to install debian from a livecd - when trying to manually create lvms, i am getting "command not found" for pvcreate - why is this? |
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| 18:45.54 | xreal | Anyone with an idea? http://pastie.org/pastes/9884145/text |
| 18:46.12 | cuco | moss: - apt-get install the missing package. |
| 18:46.14 | CtrlC | cuco: Like when? :/ any specific time? |
| 18:46.47 | cuco | CtrlC: when all critical bugs are resolved. (that is the definition) |
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| 18:47.01 | CtrlC | OK. Thanks. |
| 18:47.25 | moss | cuco... pvcreate is the command to create a physical volume on an lvm |
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| 18:49.47 | verblendet | hi, how can i manage to tell debian that nfs shares should be unmo8unted BEFIRE disabling network services? |
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| 18:50.15 | verblendet | its crazy, all bfs mounts are tried to unmount after network is stoopped,... very weird, silly |
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| 18:50.28 | cuco | reads http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/vm/hugetlbpage.txt?id=HEAD |
| 18:50.36 | verblendet | is the properotary fstab option _netfs still valid with debian testing? |
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| 18:51.51 | verblendet | its totally stupid atm, debian disables network and then tries to unmount nfs mounts, which resultrs in a long loooooooooooooong delay and timeout...... just silly |
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| 18:53.42 | cuco | reads https://wiki.debian.org/Hugepages |
| 18:53.53 | tremon | verblendet: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761909 |
| 18:53.58 | srg | I'm getting "adjtime failed: Operation not permitted" when running OpenNTPd on Jessie. Any ideas why? |
| 18:55.00 | teraflops | verblendet: using autofs? |
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| 18:55.12 | verblendet | no, i avoid that |
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| 18:55.23 | verblendet | i know this problem exists for years..... |
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| 18:55.54 | aLmostHumAn | > bionoid: A few days ago I was resizing my brother's data partition on his computer with gparted. The screen blacked out, and of all the keys I could have pressed to turn it back on I pressed escape. Twice. Data gone :D luckily he had a backup :D |
| 18:56.01 | aLmostHumAn | lol |
| 18:56.03 | aLmostHumAn | sry |
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| 18:56.17 | aLmostHumAn | http://img.htmldp.com/sshot-19-56-37.png |
| 18:56.25 | aLmostHumAn | what does this mean? |
| 18:56.27 | verblendet | but i didnt care aboiut that much often, but now, it becomes a problem when i have to leave my house and take the laptop with me... so it takes 1/2h minimum to shutdown or i have to power off without proper shutdown |
| 18:56.33 | aLmostHumAn | im scared it will delete grub or something |
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| 18:56.54 | xreal | anyone? |
| 18:56.56 | aLmostHumAn | running apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:56.58 | aLmostHumAn | :| |
| 18:57.00 | verblendet | lol, the bugreport from 2014 is quite new, i remember this problem esists for years, but nobody really cares *g |
| 18:57.35 | teraflops | verblendet: then when you switch to systemd youll get rid of that |
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| 18:58.38 | verblendet | teraflops, i already have systemd! |
| 18:58.57 | verblendet | which was quite a pain, necause systemd is great but really unstable and full of bugs.... |
| 18:59.26 | verblendet | (e.g. one single entry in crypttab of a not yet plugge din device will break everything!) ....wooot |
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| 18:59.58 | tremon | an init system that is unstable and full of bugs can not be called great |
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| 19:00.39 | verblendet | however, the concept is nice |
| 19:00.43 | teraflops | verblendet: well this is still debian stable anyway feel free to look into the nfs mount units and look for an After= Before= |
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| 19:01.41 | Gokee2 | Hello everyone. I got a displaylink USB adaptor I am trying to make work. When I plugged it in it detected the adaptor and found the correct resolution. However I could not use it... After some research I blacklisted udlfb in order to use udl. Now it adds the proper provider for xrandr and I am able to add the provider source and use the monitor! Very nice except now its not detecting the full resolution (1920x1080) and only allowing 1024x7 |
| 19:01.47 | verblendet | no, i never use stable again, more problem with modern software than bugs in testing ;) |
| 19:01.49 | Komanda | debian-jessie-amd64-hvm-2014-11-13-15-46-ebs - ami-1420b57c |
| 19:01.53 | Gokee2 | This is what demsg looks like with udl vs udlfb http://pastebin.com/090M0J5P |
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| 19:01.55 | Komanda | can i upgrade this to testing |
| 19:02.09 | verblendet | teraflops, but thats a good option, i will look into that befor eafter thingy :) |
| 19:02.09 | towo` | jessie is testing |
| 19:02.15 | verblendet | thank you |
| 19:02.21 | teraflops | verblendet: yw |
| 19:03.13 | nase7 | All right.. I now am in the kernel compile config menu (for cross compiling new kernel modules for my ARM box). Curiously, sha256, aes etc are already activated. I'm only missing dm-mod and dm-crypt. Any suggestions where I could find the sources for these, for version 3.2.26? |
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| 19:04.20 | verblendet | nase7, im not a pro, but you could use scratchbox for crosscompiling maybe |
| 19:04.28 | nase7 | and, I suppose marking a module with "M" compiles it into an external module, which I can copy over and load? |
| 19:04.52 | verblendet | make things easier, i succesfully installed scratch box and compile d a lot of software for my old n900 moile phone |
| 19:04.57 | verblendet | *just a thought* |
| 19:05.07 | nase7 | verblendet: crosscompiling works already, after a few days work :-) |
| 19:05.17 | verblendet | hehe |
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| 19:06.44 | dell2400 | in the gentoo channel thay told me that debian support is here. |
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| 19:07.18 | verblendet | dell2400, its not the 'official channel' but help is still great :) |
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| 19:08.56 | Gokee2 | Oh hah, nevermind! I just needed to do xrandr --addmode DVI-1-1 1920x1080 |
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| 19:09.20 | verblendet | Gokee2, but uts not permanent |
| 19:09.23 | verblendet | it's |
| 19:09.25 | Nindustries | Hi, so im trying to let my ssh/sftp users only access a specific folder. However, I can ssh with my own account but every other account gets its ssh connection reset.. Suggestions? http://pastebin.com/vPsRJZ3D |
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| 19:10.18 | verblendet | Nindustries, did you check /etc/passwd for correct shell? |
| 19:10.27 | jelly | dell2400: you were getting debian help for a better part of the day under the s3virge and s3-fromwin nicknames yesterday, one hopes you didn't need gentoo to tell you where this channel is |
| 19:10.29 | Nindustries | hm, good point verblendet |
| 19:10.43 | verblendet | maybe /bin/false instead of /bin/sh or /bin/bash |
| 19:10.57 | Nindustries | verblendet: test:x:1001:1002::/home/test:/bin/sh |
| 19:11.03 | verblendet | mmmh |
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| 19:11.29 | verblendet | then check /var/log/auth.log syslog and messages for useful output |
| 19:11.54 | verblendet | use "tail -f [path to logfile]2 and reconnect as different user |
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| 19:11.59 | Gokee2 | verblendet: Sure, but I can script the whole setup process if needed. Mostly I am trying to make it all work for now. Seems my next problem is the mouse will not move to that screen even though I can drag a window half onto the screen until the mouse hits the edge |
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| 19:12.36 | cuco | still no boot. let try a "higher level distro, kubuntu" |
| 19:12.36 | teraflops | jelly: sorry can I ask you to release a ban to a well known user because his connection got crazy and the channel banned him? |
| 19:12.40 | dell2400 | verblendet: i dont know what to do. |
| 19:13.01 | verblendet | Gokee2, if one screen is larger than the opther, you have to move your mouse downwards,..... and then left/right.... |
| 19:13.07 | dell2400 | verblendet: in gentoo thay help very nice, but only if you heve gentoo. |
| 19:13.33 | Nindustries | verblendet: http://pastebin.com/SdKNWWuW |
| 19:13.38 | teraflops | jelly: he was afk he didnt noticed |
| 19:13.40 | verblendet | so wahts the prblem, dell2400 |
| 19:13.44 | dell2400 | here i no one help me :( |
| 19:13.58 | Gokee2 | verblendet: They are all the same size. I tried moving the mouse off along all the edges and it won't move off |
| 19:13.58 | jelly | teraflops: sure (also, ask in #debian-ops next time) |
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| 19:14.23 | dell2400 | verblendet: i cant login to my system. it is a fresh install. |
| 19:14.33 | dell2400 | i've install mate. |
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| 19:14.44 | teraflops | jelly: thanks it's Brigo |
| 19:14.47 | dell2400 | and than i've installed lightdm. |
| 19:15.23 | dell2400 | verblendet: and insted of getting a ligin sreen i'm getting a black screen with the mpuse pointer. |
| 19:15.54 | jelly | teraflops: hm, it got removed some 3 hours ago? |
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| 19:16.03 | teraflops | oh heh jelly sorry |
| 19:16.04 | Nindustries | Some more info verblendet, im seeing something strange at the last lines; http://pastebin.com/fjfSceyd |
| 19:16.07 | teraflops | thanks anyway |
| 19:16.17 | axel_fly | my nvidia GT750M + intel F*CKS me up on jessie! |
| 19:16.24 | jelly | np |
| 19:16.27 | verblendet | Gokee2, can you try another windowmanager? what windowmanager you use? |
| 19:16.45 | Gokee2 | verblendet: I am using openbox |
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| 19:16.58 | jelly | dell2400: are you still using debian 8 with some horribly old PCI graphic card? |
| 19:17.02 | Nindustries | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.02 | axel_fly | love debian jessie but bumblebee is ......... |
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| 19:17.11 | Brigo | hi again!, thanks jelly .) |
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| 19:17.27 | aLmostHumAn | sed 's/quiet/quiet nouveau.modeset=0/g' -i /etc/default/grub <<<--- what does it do? |
| 19:17.47 | verblendet | Gokee2, i never used openbox, i have kde, and it works fine with multiple monitors, sometimes.... ;) |
| 19:17.53 | towo` | jelly, no, a crappy 845 intel onboard chip |
| 19:18.19 | dell2400 | jelly: no it is other computer with intel graphic card on board. |
| 19:18.25 | aLmostHumAn | ? |
| 19:18.34 | jelly | aLmostHumAn: it conditionally adds a boot parameter for the kernel, not active until update-grub is run |
| 19:18.34 | verblendet | aLmostHumAn, this replaces quiet with quiet nouveau.modeset=0 recusrsively in the file and case independent, iirc |
| 19:18.47 | aLmostHumAn | ok |
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| 19:19.14 | jelly | towo`, dell2400: phew |
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| 19:19.22 | aLmostHumAn | verblendet: how can i cancel it later? |
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| 19:19.26 | verblendet | dell2400, intel should work fine, same here |
| 19:19.42 | jelly | still newer than an S3 Virge. |
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| 19:19.48 | verblendet | aLmostHumAn, cancel? you mean revert? create a backup of the file befor ereplacing seomthing |
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| 19:19.58 | aLmostHumAn | verblendet: ok thanks |
| 19:20.04 | Nindustries | Wait, do windows ssh clients only work with bash ? |
| 19:20.08 | dell2400 | so what to do? what logs,you need? |
| 19:20.08 | Gokee2 | verblendet: Ya, openbox is normally great. I actually already have two monitors connected to my video card so this is a third. Interestingly, xdotool mousemove 0 0 only moves the mouse to x:1920 y:0 screen:0 window:8388883 |
| 19:20.17 | verblendet | aLmostHumAn, cp /etc/default/grub /etc/default/grub.backup-20150203 |
| 19:20.19 | jelly | dell2400: but still old enough that it might actually work better with older X (older debian release) |
| 19:20.51 | jelly | aLmostHumAn: you can edit the file with an editor, and rerun update-grub |
| 19:21.02 | verblendet | Nindustries, no, it doesnt depend on the shell! |
| 19:21.11 | Nindustries | hmm. |
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| 19:21.22 | Nindustries | I tought so because the ssh -v gives a /bin/sh not found error |
| 19:21.26 | jelly | aLmostHumAn: /etc/default/grub is a text file, like most config files in debian |
| 19:21.29 | dell2400 | jelly: I tried also debian lenny (5) and it give me the same problem. |
| 19:21.39 | aLmostHumAn | jelly: yeah i understand |
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| 19:21.47 | jelly | dell2400: you tried lenny and jessie, but nothing in between? |
| 19:21.57 | dell2400 | poor hard drives i format tham about 5 times. |
| 19:22.17 | dell2400 | and wehzze. (7) |
| 19:22.22 | dell2400 | same problem/ |
| 19:22.31 | dell2400 | to go to potato? |
| 19:22.37 | dell2400 | buzz? |
| 19:22.41 | jelly | pfft, no |
| 19:23.05 | verblendet | Nindustries, /bin/sh: No such file or directory |
| 19:23.08 | verblendet | !!!! |
| 19:23.08 | jelly | debian 6 and 7 have some support |
| 19:23.09 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 19:23.20 | Nindustries | verblendet: that's what I was saying, no? |
| 19:23.24 | verblendet | Nindustries, do ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh |
| 19:23.44 | Nindustries | file exists @ /bin/sh |
| 19:23.55 | verblendet | /bin/sh is usually a symlink to your favorite shell |
| 19:24.04 | Nindustries | Ah, I see |
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| 19:24.19 | teraflops | verblendet: i think that's not the proper way of doing that stuff |
| 19:24.34 | teraflops | also bash is linked to dash |
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| 19:24.52 | dell2400 | what so spacial on my computer, thay very common |
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| 19:25.02 | verblendet | teraflops, dash is bad! |
| 19:25.05 | verblendet | just bad! |
| 19:25.16 | teraflops | verblendet: apart from that heh may be |
| 19:25.33 | jelly | verblendet: no, it's not "just bad", it's a decent /bin/sh for scripts |
| 19:25.39 | verblendet | cant speak simple posix... the standard all around |
| 19:25.46 | Brigo | bash linked to dash, i did not know that, very weird :) |
| 19:25.57 | Nindustries | I tried recreating the user, same problem :/ |
| 19:26.00 | teraflops | verblendet: then fix your scripts |
| 19:26.05 | verblendet | Brigo, yes, full ack, caused a lof of trouble with dummbuntu severs here |
| 19:26.10 | teraflops | #!whatever is not hard |
| 19:26.18 | jelly | Nindustries: did you edit /etc/passwd manually? |
| 19:26.32 | warsh | you jelly |
| 19:26.34 | warsh | hi jelly |
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| 19:26.51 | verblendet | teraflops, and linking bash to bin/sh is the only way to have a proper system if you want simple shell scripting that works |
| 19:26.52 | Nindustries | ZOMG |
| 19:27.01 | verblendet | but i wont discuss, its a personal flavor |
| 19:27.02 | Nindustries | I created a new user NOT member of 'media', it works.. |
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| 19:27.11 | dondelelcaro | verblendet: dash implements POSIX. bash has additional bashisms. |
| 19:27.12 | jelly | verblendet: that's false |
| 19:27.15 | Nindustries | whats wrong 0_o |
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| 19:27.27 | dondelelcaro | verblendet: if you want to use bash, use #!/bin/bash; it's pretty simple. |
| 19:27.36 | Nindustries | Could it be because of my chroot? hm. |
| 19:27.40 | teraflops | #!whatever is not hard <== |
| 19:28.14 | verblendet | i dont want to go into details with dash, but its not fully compatible... and changing scripts that worlks nicely just for dash is silly |
| 19:28.19 | jelly | verblendet: I've tried and used /bin/sh -> dash on servers since debian 3.1 and it's been usable by default since debian 5 |
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| 19:28.37 | dondelelcaro | verblendet: it's not fully compatible with bash, but it is a fully-POSIX compliant shell, with a few additional Debian extensions |
| 19:28.51 | verblendet | dondelelcaro, yes, but i also use scripting on the console without creating files... and zthat causes a LOT of serious trouble |
| 19:29.13 | dondelelcaro | verblendet: uh... user shells are bash by default, not dash. |
| 19:29.16 | jelly | Nindustries: what chroot? |
| 19:29.18 | teraflops | verblendet: blame the one that write that scripts |
| 19:29.31 | verblendet | i blame no one |
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| 19:29.42 | zrafa | Hi, I use Debian testing (pure testing, I have in /etc/apt/source.list "testing" as version). I would like to install netbeans, but it is just available in unstable version. Would be very bad idea to add the unstable repo in source.list as an extra of my testing repo already there? I would like to put unstable in my source.list like this : |
| 19:29.44 | verblendet | its just my perosnal opinion |
| 19:29.47 | zrafa | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 19:29.50 | zrafa | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 19:29.59 | zrafa | and then "apt-get update ; apt-get install -t unstable netbeans" |
| 19:30.04 | jelly | zrafa: read /msg dpkg tum |
| 19:30.08 | zrafa | Or is that a good idea? |
| 19:30.09 | dondelelcaro | zrafa: if you do that, you'll be running unstable. |
| 19:30.34 | zrafa | dondelelcaro: thanks. mmmh I would like to keep my system in testing :( |
| 19:30.38 | zrafa | jelly: okey |
| 19:30.38 | Nindustries | jelly: the pastebin in my first message, http://pastebin.com/vPsRJZ3D |
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| 19:30.52 | Nindustries | All users of group 'media' should be chrooted to /media/storage |
| 19:31.06 | Nindustries | chowned 750 with root:media |
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| 19:31.46 | jelly | Nindustries: yes, that will break their shells unless you set up a working chroot environment in that directory |
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| 19:32.02 | Nindustries | oh |
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| 19:32.26 | Nindustries | I tought that automatically changed their location to that folder and limited it there |
| 19:32.27 | jelly | Nindustries: chroot like that is basically only useful for sftp access |
| 19:32.41 | jelly | Nindustries: it does, with all the consequences of chroot |
| 19:32.41 | Nindustries | jelly: it is for sftp and sshfs usage |
| 19:32.42 | zrafa | dondelelcaro: jelly : could it break my system easyly? If I do that and after to install netbeans to remove the unstable repo line from my source.list |
| 19:33.30 | jelly | zrafa: it could. Specific vary based on dependencies of desired package. |
| 19:33.37 | Nindustries | verblendet: now it gives a /bin/bash not found, lol |
| 19:34.35 | verblendet | Nindustries, changeroot... wait, did you copy od link your binyries? |
| 19:34.40 | verblendet | niaries... |
| 19:35.11 | Nindustries | I didn't copy anything.. :/ |
| 19:35.12 | jelly | Nindustries: look at something like https://www.debian-administration.org/article/590/OpenSSH_SFTP_chroot_with_ChrootDirectory |
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| 19:35.55 | jelly | Nindustries: note that "The directory in which to chroot() must be owned by root." |
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| 19:36.11 | Nindustries | jelly: ./media/storage is root:media |
| 19:36.32 | verblendet | Nindustries, sorry, keybord suks a bit, you should link /bin/bash or /bin/sh to your changeroot/bin/sh |
| 19:36.44 | Nindustries | oh |
| 19:37.03 | verblendet | and maybe some things in /lib maybe |
| 19:37.09 | Nindustries | blergh |
| 19:37.16 | Nindustries | I dont want to soil the media storagew |
| 19:37.22 | jelly | Nindustries: there were a couple other limitations. I think we made it work by setting user's home dirs to root owned as well, and only allowing them write access to a subdirectory in their respective homes |
| 19:37.27 | verblendet | Nindustries, just links |
| 19:37.39 | jelly | verblendet: there's no need for that with a sftp-only chroot |
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| 19:38.23 | verblendet | jelly, i'm not sure, i use changeroot with pureftp and had no need to link files, etc, but in some cases and a 'real changeroot' you have to do it |
| 19:38.31 | verblendet | sorry if im wrong here |
| 19:38.55 | Nindustries | sigh, I just want to limit them to ONLY that folder |
| 19:38.58 | verblendet | (didnt use real chroot for years) |
| 19:39.10 | DammitJim | if I do lsof -p <pid of program> | wc -l it says something like 1400 |
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| 19:39.17 | DammitJim | ulimit -a says 1024 |
| 19:39.24 | DammitJim | how can that process have more handles than the limit? |
| 19:39.41 | Nindustries | Aha, now I get a /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 19:40.07 | verblendet | Nindustries, we already had that |
| 19:40.17 | Nindustries | verblendet: no, that was a not found ;) |
| 19:40.17 | verblendet | oh, no, permission denied... |
| 19:40.22 | verblendet | yeah |
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| 19:40.28 | verblendet | sounds better now *g |
| 19:40.34 | jelly | Nindustries: which sftp client are you using? |
| 19:40.45 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: ulimit -n 2048; or whatever |
| 19:40.48 | Nindustries | atm, just putty |
| 19:40.55 | Nindustries | but sftp net drive fails too |
| 19:41.02 | jelly | Nindustries: do you mean psftp, or actual putty? |
| 19:41.08 | Nindustries | actual ssh putty |
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| 19:41.34 | jelly | Nindustries: that doesn't do sftp and tries to open a shell. It's expected that won't work. |
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| 19:41.38 | DammitJim | dondelelcaro, what do you mean by ulimit -n 2048? why would I want to do that? |
| 19:41.42 | Nindustries | oh. hmm. |
| 19:41.49 | DammitJim | I"m just asking why I see more file handles with lsof than what the limit is? |
| 19:41.51 | Nindustries | then I wonder why netdrive doesnt work, ill try somethiung else |
| 19:41.53 | DammitJim | or am I missing something? |
| 19:41.54 | jelly | Nindustries: use a sftp client (you can try sftp user@localhost from the server itself) |
| 19:42.09 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: oh, sorry; got you backwards: I thought you were complaining about the limit, not that the limit was exceeded |
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| 19:42.31 | DammitJim | sorry, that was supposed to be ulimit -n (not ulimit -a) |
| 19:43.12 | Nindustries | jelly: yup, no success :/ http://pastebin.com/aFXkDRt5 |
| 19:43.54 | jelly | Nindustries: and what did sshd say in the log? |
| 19:44.49 | Nindustries | pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user test |
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| 19:46.04 | Nindustries | sigh |
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| 19:49.10 | Nindustries | Nope, tried with second account. Media group is the issue |
| 19:49.25 | DammitJim | oh, it seems that lsof prints more than file handles |
| 19:49.43 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: I think you may need to do something like lsof -p 14589|grep -E '[[:digit:]][urw]'|wc -l |
| 19:49.46 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: yeah, exactly. |
| 19:49.55 | jelly | Nindustries: change the directory to root:root |
| 19:49.56 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: I think if you memmap, you don't need an FD either. |
| 19:50.00 | DammitJim | if I may say.. holy crap! |
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| 19:50.20 | Nindustries | jelly: did that, drwxr-x--- 3 root root 4096 Feb 3 09:59 storage |
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| 19:50.39 | jelly | Nindustries: chmod 755 it for the time being |
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| 19:51.12 | jelly | Nindustries: in sshd_config, append -l INFO to all the internal-sftp lines |
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| 19:51.18 | Nindustries | jelly: I prefer them not being able to modify files, only read. Isnt 750 good then? |
| 19:51.26 | Kernelsan | nas |
| 19:51.29 | Kernelsan | buenas |
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| 19:51.51 | jelly | Nindustries: that can't even read or enter the directory now. |
| 19:51.55 | jelly | they* |
| 19:51.58 | Nindustries | true |
| 19:52.17 | blubee | does anyone have a decent configuration for a retina display? If I lower my screen resolution to 1920x1200 the OS looks fine but the buttons on applications, text in web browser, all look terrible |
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| 19:52.58 | Brigo | blubee, you can change the app size fonts |
| 19:53.13 | Nindustries | ZOMG |
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| 19:53.16 | blubee | not to mention if I restart the computer at the 1920x1200 resolution if I move my mouse to the corners the screen will scroll and there's a huge black border on the right and bottom of the screen |
| 19:53.21 | Nindustries | IT WOORKS |
| 19:53.23 | Nindustries | WOOOOOOOOOOOORKS |
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| 19:53.33 | blubee | Brigo: where would I go to edit the app size fonts? |
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| 19:53.51 | Nindustries | jell and verblendet , I love you guys. |
| 19:54.33 | Brigo | blubee, it depends on desktop. I am using mate, i can do it in system->preferences->look->fonts |
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| 19:54.59 | cdb23axa | hello can someone help me all services refuses to start on debian |
| 19:55.04 | Nindustries | I didnt add command internal-sftp :/ |
| 19:55.06 | cdb23axa | even ssh is stopped after reboot |
| 19:55.07 | blubee | I am on the latest jesse with kde |
| 19:55.27 | cdb23axa | we did nothing our server hoster had a server crash and a disk was replaced |
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| 19:55.32 | jelly | Nindustries: also, if you want sftp to log stuff to syslog, you'll have to create /media/storage/dev directory, and add "$AddUnixListenSocket /opt/dokumentacija/dev/log" to eg. /etc/rsyslog.d/sftp.conf and restart rsyslog |
| 19:55.35 | cdb23axa | its a openvz container |
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| 19:55.57 | Nindustries | thanks jelly |
| 19:56.02 | jelly | Nindustries: put YOUR chroot path there, not mine :-) Damn copy/paste |
| 19:56.07 | Nindustries | 4% cpu per client, not bad |
| 19:56.32 | Nindustries | jelly: I meant the command |
| 19:56.59 | cdb23axa | not even cron is running |
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| 19:57.27 | cdb23axa | every time after reboot nothing is reachable except ping |
| 19:57.37 | cdb23axa | i have to start all services manually |
| 19:57.40 | jelly | Nindustries: right, if you only need readonly it's easy to just give everyone r and x permissions |
| 19:57.56 | Nindustries | Yeah, I think 750 did this |
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| 19:59.20 | Nindustries | buhh, my sshfs options on linux worked better for the stutters |
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| 19:59.30 | Nindustries | damn you windows apps |
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| 20:00.57 | jelly | you can probably tune those to use silly cheap ciphers as well |
| 20:01.09 | Nindustries | yeah |
| 20:01.20 | Nindustries | Im trying out dokan sshfs |
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| 20:02.12 | hulahup | Can I keep my WLAN certificate file in ~/.ssl or can this clash with something? |
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| 20:03.44 | bourne | I need non-free repository to install my fresh debian 7.8.0 version |
| 20:03.56 | bourne | my laptop doesn't see my wifi |
| 20:04.11 | bourne | I can download package from webside |
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| 20:04.31 | bourne | and then how I can installed this package |
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| 20:04.39 | blubee | restart |
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| 20:04.59 | bourne | maybe some step by step |
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| 20:05.44 | jelly | bourne: might be easier if you booted from |
| 20:05.47 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 20:05.47 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 20:06.06 | Carl35 | could someone explain me the difference to install truecrypt regular version and console only? |
| 20:06.27 | Carl35 | console version is smaller, why? |
| 20:06.28 | Vroomfondel | the regular version has a GUI, I think? |
| 20:06.55 | cdb23axa | please can somone help us |
| 20:07.11 | cdb23axa | rcconf says all services are started |
| 20:07.17 | cdb23axa | but after reboot nothing works |
| 20:07.23 | Carl35 | maybe is the GUI the difference, so to use it easily i should use the regular version.. |
| 20:07.27 | cdb23axa | i need to start every single service |
| 20:07.36 | bourne | <dpkg> it always ask about my iwlwifi-4965-2ucode |
| 20:07.53 | Carl35 | thanks |
| 20:08.18 | Nindustries | argh, performance with netdrive and win-sshfs sucks |
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| 20:08.40 | kinux | bonjour à tous |
| 20:09.03 | bourne | <dpkg> I am thinking something record on pendrive and then update this from terminal |
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| 20:11.16 | bourne | <dpkg> how install iwlwifi-4965-2ucode without internet connection |
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| 20:12.28 | jelly | bourne: well, if you have debian already installed, grab the firmware-iwlwifi .deb package from the web |
| 20:12.28 | Carl35 | I have installed trucrypt, seems everything ok but I ve got this message: "Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, None of the authentication protocols specified are supported" what does this mean? |
| 20:13.32 | jelly | bourne: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi -- near the bottom, Architecture all <- link |
| 20:13.44 | Vroomfondel | bourne: dpkg is a bot |
| 20:14.47 | bourne | <jelly> something like that? https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download |
| 20:15.10 | jelly | bourne: click thru, pick a mirror |
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| 20:16.29 | jelly | and please try not to put < > around nicknames when addressing people, that's a common way to show when you're quoting someone on irc |
| 20:16.33 | bourne | <jelly> I download this from side |
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| 20:17.11 | jelly | oh, that's freenode's irc gateway doing |
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| 20:19.00 | bourne | \<jelly> ok then I copy this on pendrive then when I start debian what I must to do? |
| 20:19.10 | Novice201y | Hello. Why can't I add new VPN connection in Network Manager? I've got admin account on this machine. |
| 20:20.14 | jelly | bourne: mount the stick, install manually using "dpkg -i /media/stickname/firmware-iwlwifi_whatever_all.deb" |
| 20:20.15 | acz32 | is there a reason not to just create a swapfile instead of a dedicated /swap partition? |
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| 20:20.20 | bourne | <jelly> I can unpack and set the folder lib to the folder lib this is correct? |
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| 20:20.34 | jelly | bourne: there's nothing to unpack. |
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| 20:21.17 | jelly | bourne: please do not put < and > around my nickname. |
| 20:21.37 | bourne | ok |
| 20:21.59 | jelly | that's better, thanks. type "jelly:" or don't type anything. |
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| 20:24.09 | bourne | ok then I restart and see it is correct se you later |
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| 20:35.05 | awkwardtechdude| | Hello |
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| 20:35.48 | moss | is ia32-libs gone in debian 8(jessie) ? |
| 20:36.01 | moss | when i try to apt-get install ia32-libs it doesnt work |
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| 20:36.21 | awkwardtechdude| | It's neat that both Microsoft and Apple have tried to make a package management system, but both are terrible; Meanwhile, many GNU/Linux distros did it right |
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| 20:39.05 | moss | Package ia32-libs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:39.05 | moss | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 20:39.06 | moss | is only available from another source |
| 20:39.10 | moss | .... |
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| 20:39.57 | jelly | !tell moss about upgrade ia32 libs |
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| 20:40.13 | jelly | !tell moss about multiarch howto |
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| 20:41.14 | moss | jelly: that doesnt really solve the issue im having. i've already done sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 20:41.25 | jelly | moss: no packages in debian 8 should be relying on ia32-libs anyway, it was deprecated during 6 -> 7 |
| 20:41.55 | jelly | so ask your real question, something like "I want to make ______ work" |
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| 20:42.06 | moss | yeah |
| 20:42.20 | moss | its a custom POS program written in Tcl/tk |
| 20:42.27 | moss | i need ia32-libs to make it work :\ |
| 20:42.41 | moss | oh wait a second |
| 20:42.43 | moss | ive got it |
| 20:42.50 | dondelelcaro | moss: you don't need ia32-libs, you just need the i386 libraries it requires. |
| 20:43.00 | moss | dondelelcaro: correct. my apologies |
| 20:43.16 | dondelelcaro | no worries; |
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| 20:47.29 | moss | perfect:D debian is great man |
| 20:48.34 | moss | Okay, so different question. If I have a network of ~10 debian desktop machines, and I want to have a host machine push out updates to all of them, is there a mechanism in place to do that? |
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| 20:49.53 | Novice201y | Hello. I see "Could not find VPN plugin service for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openvpn'." when trying to configure VPN connection. How can I solve this? |
| 20:51.15 | moss | Novice201y: do you have openvpn installed? |
| 20:51.26 | Novice201y | moss, Yes. |
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| 20:53.18 | Brigo | Novice201y, did you insatall network-manager-openvpn ? |
| 20:53.47 | Brigo | and may benetwork-manager-openvpn-gnome if you are using gnome. |
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| 20:56.33 | Novice201y | Brigo, I didn't have network-manager-openvpn-gnome . Thank! |
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| 20:57.30 | Brigo | Novice201y, np :) |
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| 21:04.30 | GladiaTeur | Hello how to purge mysql packages to remove everything and start over |
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| 21:05.57 | Brigo | apt-get remove --purge <package name> |
| 21:07.18 | rainfyre | aptitude purge <package name> is what i've always done |
| 21:07.39 | rainfyre | didn't know about apt-get remove --purge |
| 21:07.52 | black_screen | good news!!! i've solve the black window! on debian8 |
| 21:08.01 | rainfyre | congrats :) |
| 21:08.12 | black_screen | i'm removerd the lightdm. |
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| 21:08.24 | black_screen | and than i install the full version of mate. |
| 21:08.55 | black_screen | and than i can start mate by using the command "startx" |
| 21:09.30 | bourne | when I want something install onn debian then always ask about first cd example I want installed google chrome and ask about input first cd plate to the cd rom |
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| 21:09.54 | black_screen | jelly: you are here? |
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| 21:10.19 | GladiaTeur | then how to install them again i think apt-get install .... |
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| 21:10.23 | bourne | jelly everything is working thank you |
| 21:10.41 | Brigo | GladiaTeur, you are right. |
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| 21:12.07 | bourne | why when I want installing google chrome then ask me about cd input to the cd rom first cd plate I don't haven't but have internet connection I must download some repository or package? |
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| 21:14.19 | black_screen | how i can run startx at boot? |
| 21:15.51 | glogic | black_screen: Do you.. have a login manager installed? |
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| 21:16.28 | amps | how can i find which library on my system has the implementation for gethostbyname? |
| 21:16.33 | black_screen | glogic: i had the lightdm - but it give me black screen, so i remove it, |
| 21:16.47 | black_screen | and now everithing work with startx |
| 21:17.12 | black_screen | i dont need the "login" because anyway i want it to be autologin. |
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| 21:17.48 | black_screen | glogic: ^ |
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| 21:18.48 | glogic | black_screen: Then you might try troubleshooting lightdm to see why it isn't working, or trying a different login manager. |
| 21:19.13 | black_screen | what other login managers is recomended? |
| 21:19.18 | black_screen | i'm using mate. |
| 21:19.29 | black_screen | glogic: ^ |
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| 21:20.07 | glogic | black_screen: I've heard good things about SLIM. |
| 21:20.43 | glogic | black_screen: NODM is a possibility for you also. |
| 21:20.50 | rainfyre | bummer lightdm isn't working for you, I've never had a problem with it |
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| 21:22.09 | black_screen | i tried to re install the lightdm. |
| 21:22.20 | black_screen | and the computer reboot now, |
| 21:22.44 | black_screen | black screen!!! |
| 21:22.49 | black_screen | with mouse. |
| 21:23.11 | rainfyre | crazy |
| 21:23.16 | black_screen | i've stop it. |
| 21:23.24 | black_screen | and run "startx |
| 21:23.30 | black_screen | work fine. |
| 21:23.44 | black_screen | so, i'm going to remove it. |
| 21:24.11 | rainfyre | that is so strange |
| 21:24.56 | black_screen | i'm almost 3 days try to solve it. |
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| 21:25.49 | glogic | black_screen: I gave you two suggestions. SLIM and NODM. |
| 21:25.55 | lod__ | lxdm |
| 21:26.21 | black_screen | apt-het install slim? |
| 21:26.27 | black_screen | apt-get install slim? |
| 21:26.35 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 21:27.01 | lod__ | the slim project has been abandoned... |
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| 21:28.25 | black_screen | lod__: so lxdm is better? |
| 21:28.36 | lod__ | i think so |
| 21:28.41 | lod__ | but just try it |
| 21:28.51 | black_screen | i need the ability to do auto login. |
| 21:29.00 | black_screen | lxdm support it? |
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| 21:29.20 | lod__ | sure |
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| 21:29.40 | black_screen | lod__: how i install it? |
| 21:29.54 | glogic | # aptitude install xdm |
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| 21:31.44 | lod__ | oh sorry, its not in wheezy, so you need to install it from source or just use another |
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| 21:32.15 | glogic | Heh, our information is out of date. |
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| 21:34.00 | black_screen | slim give me black screen (without mouse) |
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| 21:34.43 | black_screen | i'm remove it now. |
| 21:35.04 | glogic | You've got some underlying problem here. |
| 21:35.35 | black_screen | so what to do? |
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| 21:37.35 | glogic | I would start by looking into xorg's error logs, perhaps. |
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| 21:38.14 | black_screen | where is the inittab in debian 8?? |
| 21:38.51 | lod__ | systemd ftw |
| 21:39.02 | dondelelcaro | black_screen: there isn't one unless you're using sysvinit. |
| 21:39.24 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, the one that may exist is rather pointless) |
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| 21:40.09 | black_screen | tere is a way to just run automatic "startx" after boot |
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| 21:40.59 | lod__ | create a systemd service file |
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| 21:41.59 | black_screen | lod__: what is systemd? |
| 21:42.11 | black_screen | solved! |
| 21:42.15 | black_screen | contab! |
| 21:42.21 | black_screen | @reboot startx |
| 21:42.21 | lod__ | ask google |
| 21:42.26 | black_screen | work like magic! |
| 21:42.53 | xreal | Do I need lsb-base? I didn't install it in Wheezy and it works... "Linux Base" sounds important somehow |
| 21:42.55 | black_screen | lod__: i solve it! |
| 21:43.06 | polyphagia | yes xreal |
| 21:43.10 | lod__ | but still google systemd |
| 21:43.24 | aeg | Unable to install GRUB on /dev/sda; Did a Raid 1 using make MD on the MD i had a ext4 for the / .... whet did i do wrong ? |
| 21:43.25 | lod__ | you should know about, if you 're using jessie |
| 21:43.26 | ctmjr | that's not msgic that's a dirty hack prone to failure |
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| 21:43.48 | xreal | polyphagia: When it's important, why is it "suggested" always? |
| 21:44.03 | black_screen | ctmjr: but it's the only thing that work. |
| 21:44.55 | black_screen | lightddm, slim black screen, the other 2 not extitst. |
| 21:45.11 | glogic | xreal: It's generally good to install suggested packages, unless you're going for a lightweight installation. |
| 21:45.27 | black_screen | i have no idea what is systemd - but the old crontab - did his job! |
| 21:46.02 | ompaul | I'm looking for systemd docs in debian |
| 21:46.34 | ompaul | other than https://wiki.debian.org/systemd :) |
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| 21:47.05 | lod__ | man systemd |
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| 21:47.30 | ompaul | lod__: I was looking for something a little less ... |
| 21:47.36 | ompaul | brain wrecking |
| 21:48.16 | black_screen | nano /bin/systemd |
| 21:48.21 | black_screen | gibrishhshshsh |
| 21:48.26 | abrotman | !enter |
| 21:48.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 21:48.36 | abrotman | ompaul: what are you looking for? |
| 21:48.43 | black_screen | linux become windows. |
| 21:48.48 | abrotman | black_screen: please stop |
| 21:48.53 | teraflops | ompaul: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-docs.html |
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| 21:50.11 | ompaul | teraflops: thanks - we have that one :) |
| 21:50.20 | ompaul | the man page is good |
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| 21:50.29 | lod__ | ompaul, http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ |
| 21:50.36 | lod__ | scroll down to Manuals and Documentation for Users and Administrators |
| 21:50.43 | ompaul | abrotman: just a gathering of stuff - I have the wiki |
| 21:50.45 | abrotman | ompaul: alternately, ask #debian-systemd on OFTC |
| 21:50.56 | ompaul | actually lod__ thanks |
| 21:51.19 | ompaul | abrotman: thanks if we get stuck |
| 21:51.28 | abrotman | looks for the we here ... |
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| 21:51.56 | black_screen | all this thing is beyond me |
| 21:52.11 | black_screen | i'm a simpel user that want stable system. |
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| 21:52.40 | teraflops | black_screen: feel free to join #teraflopscares |
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| 21:53.23 | abrotman | no one is there! |
| 21:53.28 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 21:53.36 | black_screen | teraflops: what is teraflopscares? |
| 21:53.59 | abrotman | black_screen: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 21:54.23 | black_screen | abrotman: yes |
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| 21:56.48 | ompaul | black_screen: so install stable and be happy |
| 21:58.02 | black_screen | i have the same issues with debian 7, so i deside to go with 8, and in half a year i will be on the stable.. |
| 21:58.10 | black_screen | ompaul: ^ |
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| 22:01.08 | robalni | black_screen: If you are still trying to fix lightdm, are there any interesting log files in /var/log/lightdm ? |
| 22:01.56 | black_screen | i remove it.. |
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| 22:02.11 | black_screen | so i can't give you the log.. |
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| 22:05.20 | teraflops | black_screen: just curious what DE did you try with lightdm? |
| 22:05.36 | black_screen | mate |
| 22:05.41 | teraflops | uhm |
| 22:05.42 | black_screen | teraflops: ^ |
| 22:05.58 | black_screen | teraflops: you have a cluster? |
| 22:06.06 | teraflops | heh |
| 22:06.39 | black_screen | one day i will build a cluster.. |
| 22:06.54 | black_screen | i have lots of computers. |
| 22:07.08 | black_screen | more than 20.. |
| 22:07.24 | teraflops | black_screen: buill one of arm single boards |
| 22:07.37 | teraflops | build* |
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| 22:09.12 | flounders | Does anyone know how to get Exim to listen to external connections? |
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| 22:11.55 | Klaus_Dieter | hello wolrd |
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| 22:12.15 | DammitJim | flounders... have you done exim4-reconfigure? |
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| 22:12.52 | DammitJim | sorry, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:13.03 | flounders | DammitJim: No, I have been trying to pour through documentation. |
| 22:13.28 | Klaus_Dieter | I am trying to run a raspi using a ro sd-card as rootfs. I have ro in my kernel option line and ro set as mount option in /Etc/fstab but still I can write to /. |
| 22:13.36 | valdyn | flounders: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" or edit /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf manually and run "update-exim4.conf" after editing |
| 22:13.42 | DammitJim | flounders, what version of debian? |
| 22:14.25 | DammitJim | flounders, the important parts are: internet site |
| 22:14.30 | DammitJim | proper system mail name |
| 22:14.53 | DammitJim | mail server configuration - IP: 127.0.0.1;<your server IP address> |
| 22:15.01 | Klaus_Dieter | also udev and pulseaudio fail ain various ways when booting. So I am hoping to take some complexity out of the boot process by not running parallel boot and see what fails in which order to address the problems one at a time. I set CONCURRENCY=none in /etc/default/rcS but still it is using make style parallelization. What do I ahve to do to get the good old single-threaded boot? |
| 22:15.03 | valdyn | Klaus_Dieter: you need to update the initial ram disk after modifying fstab |
| 22:15.05 | DammitJim | I think that's it |
| 22:15.05 | flounders | DammitJim: That did the trick. |
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| 22:15.47 | Klaus_Dieter | valdyn: I am not sure I actually have one... |
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| 22:16.05 | valdyn | Klaus_Dieter: you do, if you are using debian, if not, wrong channel |
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| 22:16.21 | Klaus_Dieter | valdyn: ok so it must be somewhere... let me check ;) |
| 22:16.32 | DammitJim | great flounders |
| 22:16.58 | valdyn | Klaus_Dieter: just run "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)". If there's an initrd you will see. |
| 22:17.01 | bourne | Why when I installed fresh debian have problem with example google chrome? |
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| 22:17.46 | bourne | and another |
| 22:17.55 | bourne | I have information fix package |
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| 22:18.14 | bourne | in the mint and fedora this is no problems |
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| 22:19.14 | Klaus_Dieter | valdyn: argh you are right, this is actually a raspbmc so not a vanilla debian. Sorry to have bothered you... |
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| 22:22.21 | jelly | black_screen: nope, I'm away |
| 22:22.38 | black_screen | ok |
| 22:22.50 | bourne | I think so long way to learning debian I want only hosting my webside ftp and p2p |
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| 22:23.25 | bourne | I herad debian is most friendly like CentOs |
| 22:23.33 | bourne | this is true/ |
| 22:23.41 | black_screen | bourne: i like debian. |
| 22:23.43 | bourne | "heard" |
| 22:23.57 | black_screen | ubuntu all the time crashed, |
| 22:24.10 | bourne | black_screen: this is similar like fedora |
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| 22:24.38 | bourne | black_screen usually use mint and have many tested distro |
| 22:25.23 | bourne | black_screen I have problem with install skype and google chrome; I want use my debian to the ftp hosting my webside |
| 22:25.26 | petn-randall | bourne: What exactly is the problem you have? It's hard to debug without details. |
| 22:25.27 | black_screen | mint is based on debian |
| 22:25.34 | petn-randall | !mint |
| 22:25.35 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 22:25.35 | black_screen | i like the original. |
| 22:25.53 | wiggl3 | !openbsd |
| 22:25.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, openbsd is a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. Two remote holes in the default install in over 10 years. |
| 22:26.15 | bourne | petn-randall I can give you some information one moment |
| 22:26.25 | wiggl3 | bourne: Choose OpenBSD for your Unix needs. OpenBSD -- the world's simplest and most secure Unix-like OS. Creator of the world's most used SSH implementation OpenSSH, the world's most elegant firewall PF, the world's most elegant mail server OpenSMTPD, the OpenSSL rewrite LibreSSL, and the NTP rewrite OpenNTPD. OpenBSD -- the cleanest kernel, the cleanest userland and the cleanest configuration syntax. |
| 22:27.10 | teraflops | sarcasm? |
| 22:27.50 | bourne | wiggl3 I can try this is more simple like debian or centos? |
| 22:27.51 | teraflops | i do not get sarcam as sheldon cooper |
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| 22:29.32 | bourne | wigll3: it is more simple like debian and centos i must use ftp,php, mysql, |
| 22:30.26 | bourne | wiggl3: and create wan and lan could you answear |
| 22:30.34 | wiggl3 | bourne: yeah it's a lot more minimal |
| 22:30.40 | teraflops | bourne: it is unix |
| 22:30.48 | wiggl3 | bourne: i don't know if it's "simpler" to set up though, i mean both are unix-like OSes |
| 22:30.52 | wiggl3 | yeah what teraflops said :D |
| 22:31.23 | bourne | teraflops yes I know what is it and how it eaten |
| 22:31.28 | wiggl3 | bourne: also instead of php and mysql have you considered ruby on rails and postgresql? check out Ruby on Rails vs PHP - Commercial #2 of 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1NVfDlU6yQ |
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| 22:32.12 | aeg | !grub |
| 22:32.13 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
| 22:32.16 | wiggl3 | will save you a lot of headache |
| 22:32.36 | aeg | !fixmbr |
| 22:32.37 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 22:33.47 | bourne | wiggl3: I use wordpress |
| 22:33.56 | ast__ | hello, got a problem with preseed raid-recipe, it only creates one partition: d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string multiraid :: 1024 2000 1024 raid $lvmignore{ } $primary{ } method{ raid } . 1000 100 -1 raid $lvmignore{ } $primary{ } method{ raid } |
| 22:34.00 | ast__ | any ideas? |
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| 22:34.44 | wiggl3 | bourne: i guess if you're doing this as a hobby then wordpress is fine, but if you want to get serious and make something super cool and get millions of users, ruby on rails is definitely the way to go |
| 22:35.02 | acz32 | is there a reason not to just create a swapfile instead of a dedicated /swap partition? |
| 22:36.21 | dondelelcaro | acz32: hibernate, and you don't have filesystem overhead |
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| 22:37.39 | bourne | wiggl3: yes I agree then your advice better install OpenDSB the newest version? |
| 22:37.41 | nkuttler | acz32: and you can use a faster disk, if you like that |
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| 22:47.12 | aeg | !raid |
| 22:47.12 | dpkg | Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID) is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data. Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 22:47.34 | nkuttler | !tell aeg about msg the bot |
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| 22:48.01 | aeg | nkuttler: sorry i will |
| 22:48.08 | nkuttler | aeg: no problem at all :) |
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| 22:50.28 | aeg | i'm really stuck, trying to do a install with all partitions in raid, is there a good read on this ? |
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| 22:53.42 | hikenboot | hi! has jessie eliminated the package ssl-devel or replaced it? If so is there simlinks or something that might make it work right with scripts designed for wheezy? |
| 22:54.00 | hikenboot | I am trying to install vmware-cli |
| 22:54.08 | hikenboot | and it cant find ssl-devel |
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| 22:54.23 | hikenboot | but i have installed all the ssl packages that I can find |
| 22:54.30 | nkuttler | ,v ssl-devel |
| 22:54.31 | judd | No package named 'ssl-devel' was found in i386. |
| 22:54.54 | nkuttler | hikenboot: doesn't look like that exists anywhere in debian |
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| 22:55.07 | nkuttler | hikenboot: if it's a vmware dependcy you should talk to vmware support |
| 22:55.15 | hikenboot | ok |
| 22:55.19 | hikenboot | thanks will do |
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| 23:10.58 | nase7 | hey guys'n'gals! I'm still trying to compile those external kernel modules. I use the graphical setup menu, where I can define what features to have in the kernel. I try to include "dm-mod" and "dm-crypt", but can't find it in the menu. In the sources folder it is under "kernel - md". Any ideas? Is there a list of the menu somewhere? |
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| 23:22.02 | dimitry7 | Hi Guys. We use slony for DB replication. It was not included in wheezy stable. It is now in jessie unstable... But I have doubts on if this means it will really be in stable repositories for Jessie. |
| 23:22.14 | dimitry7 | Do you think it will ? |
| 23:22.28 | srg | What's a good terminal? I'm using LXTerm now (on lxde) but it doesn't copy when highlighting (must click "copy") and it can't open URLs automatically |
| 23:23.07 | abrotman | dimitry7: Jessie is not unstable |
| 23:23.17 | abrotman | judd: versions slony |
| 23:23.18 | judd | No package named 'slony' was found in i386. |
| 23:23.39 | abrotman | judd: versions slony1-2-bin |
| 23:23.40 | judd | Package: slony1-2-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.4-1; jessie: 2.2.3-1; sid: 2.2.3-1 |
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| 23:25.00 | dimitry7 | abrotman, testing |
| 23:25.32 | dimitry7 | abrotman, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/slony1-bin |
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| 23:25.42 | dimitry7 | judd, slony1 |
| 23:25.52 | dimitry7 | judd, slony1-bin |
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| 23:26.37 | abrotman | dimitry7: sure, it seems likely to release with Jessie .. Does it have any RC bugs? |
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| 23:28.43 | mrcirca | Hello, which is the best method for backup? |
| 23:28.45 | dimitry7 | abrotman, no from what I have used it... Don't know what it was excluded from wheezy. I will keep on saying yes to the package survey when installing on jessie :D |
| 23:29.00 | dimitry7 | * why it was... |
| 23:29.07 | dimitry7 | abrotman, thanks man!! |
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| 23:30.17 | nase7 | mrcirca: best method for backup? do it regularly, verify it, and keep it read-only in a different place :-) |
| 23:31.09 | nase7 | I personally like incremental (btrfs snapshots) backups, every night by a cron job |
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| 23:34.53 | Brigo | if different place mean different continent even better :) |
| 23:37.03 | nase7 | ..as soon as you manage to have your backup at another place, it's easy to have it on another continent too :-) I'm still working on that first step, for days and weeks now.. I guess people here will soon be fed up with me :-) |
| 23:37.10 | teraflops | oh backups ... |
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| 23:39.33 | Brigo | nase7, it looks like you are in the good way :) |
| 23:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrcirca, the answer to that, as usually is "depends" |
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| 23:43.25 | nase7 | Brigo: yes, I can't decide to dump that tiny 10w 4tb jessie NAS just yet. so I keep on solving one tiny step after another.. and, of course, learning tons on my way! this chan is a big help too |
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| 23:51.11 | factor | When I upgrade to 7.8.0 will I need the updates or will this version have the glibc patch for GHOST? |
| 23:51.51 | frostschutz | if there are updates, chances are you will need them |
| 23:52.04 | factor | crap. ok |
| 23:52.22 | srg | And make sure you reboot after installing said updates, too. |
| 23:52.35 | srg | Else it's likely pointless, since glibc is everywhere. |
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| 23:56.18 | abrotman | factor: the DSA announcement tells you how to get that patch |
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