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| 00:00.49 | nkuttler | Crunchito: oh well, if it's only for a while it can't be that bad |
| 00:01.11 | nkuttler | factor: which patch? the libc ghost thing? |
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| 00:01.22 | Brigo | factor, reboot is safer because glibc is used for plenty of programs |
| 00:01.29 | factor | ghost patch |
| 00:01.44 | nkuttler | yeah, just reboot |
| 00:01.47 | factor | ok just making sure. and yes it is.. |
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| 00:11.11 | nea1 | hi, is there a way how i can make debian first init networking complet before continuing? as a daemon depending on networking failes to bind as the ipv6 address is not jet assigned "inet6 [...] scope global tentative" |
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| 00:12.31 | nea1 | one second later the IP is up but still it lets my service fail |
| 00:13.12 | nea1 | and modifying the service file is a temporary solution but still this will be a problem after the next update again |
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| 00:22.41 | Brigo | nea1, you can try to make the problematic service depend on the network-service |
| 00:22.58 | Brigo | nea1, are you using systemvinit? |
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| 00:23.35 | factor | Im on debian 7.8 with updates and I ran the GHOST checker and im still vuneriable the progam says. |
| 00:24.02 | nea1 | Brigo: it does |
| 00:24.17 | nea1 | and yes sys-v-init |
| 00:24.38 | factor | apt-get dist-upgrade but also says i need to do a |
| 00:24.43 | nea1 | Brigo: # Required-Start: $network $remote_fs $syslog |
| 00:24.43 | factor | dist upgrade |
| 00:24.47 | Brigo | nea1, then ask the program why didn't wait for the network |
| 00:24.55 | factor | I just did a apt-gt upgrade. |
| 00:25.01 | factor | not dist-upgrade |
| 00:25.14 | nea1 | Brigo: how do you mean? |
| 00:25.23 | factor | From looking at this site. https://www.linode.com/docs/security/security-patches/patching-glibc-for-the-ghost-vulnerability |
| 00:25.28 | nea1 | this is a dependency which is defined over sysvinit |
| 00:25.48 | Brigo | nea1, the program is failing becauses it does not wait for the network to get up. |
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| 00:25.58 | nea1 | so sysvinit should make sure that the dependencies have been forfilled |
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| 00:26.23 | nea1 | how should that wait look like? |
| 00:26.33 | Brigo | nea1, yes, you are right. |
| 00:27.17 | Brigo | but i do not know the mechanims -if any- of init for it. |
| 00:27.43 | nea1 | i don't quite get what you mean |
| 00:28.00 | Brigo | nea1, yes, sorry, my english is very poor :-/ |
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| 00:28.35 | Brigo | nea1, try to launch the program later on boot secuence |
| 00:30.25 | nea1 | Brigo: it is one of the last |
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| 00:30.39 | Brigo | no luck then :) |
| 00:30.41 | nea1 | the other aren't even started one second lager |
| 00:30.44 | nea1 | *later |
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| 00:31.46 | Brigo | nea1, you can fill a bug. |
| 00:32.05 | nea1 | where at best? |
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| 00:34.45 | Brigo | nea1, really not sure, systemvint? |
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| 00:49.26 | AtomicBool | Problem |
| 00:49.32 | AtomicBool | I have a debian VPS |
| 00:49.40 | AtomicBool | but I want to edit the files visually |
| 00:49.45 | AtomicBool | Any solutions? |
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| 00:53.06 | Brigo | AtomicBool, visually? |
| 00:53.17 | AtomicBool | nvm |
| 00:53.23 | AtomicBool | setting up an ftp server was CAKE |
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| 00:54.07 | nea1 | AtomicBool: xforwarding but do you really want to do that? |
| 00:54.23 | AtomicBool | what other options are there? |
| 00:54.25 | AtomicBool | and why not? |
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| 00:54.47 | Brigo | AtomicBool, you have to run a x server in the vps |
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| 00:55.02 | AtomicBool | a what? |
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| 00:55.34 | Brigo | X server, like Xorg |
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| 00:57.34 | haas | oh |
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| 00:59.29 | AtomicBool | i have proftpd |
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| 01:03.12 | AtomicBool | "linking with 'cc' failed" |
| 01:03.23 | AtomicBool | this is ridiculous |
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| 01:07.10 | rudi_s | AtomicBool: At least use SSH/SCP instead of FTP. FTP has many issues. |
| 01:07.27 | AtomicBool | I use ssh to access it |
| 01:07.34 | AtomicBool | I use sftp to visually edit the files |
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| 01:07.51 | rudi_s | sftp as in SSH's sftp? |
| 01:08.02 | rudi_s | Then you should not talk about FTP .. |
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| 01:14.58 | AtomicBool | idk |
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| 01:16.36 | vook | the solution is sshfs |
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| 01:17.54 | iWaldo_ | i found a minor mistake in the debian wiki, is there an easy way to report it? |
| 01:19.13 | OSVG | O_o |
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| 01:20.00 | vook | iWaldo_: just edit it, it's a wiki |
| 01:20.02 | OSVG | Can users no longer make edits? |
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| 01:20.47 | iWaldo_ | didn't see the option to in the little menu |
| 01:20.50 | iWaldo_ | lemme check again |
| 01:21.14 | vook | iWaldo_: you'll need to create an account & login |
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| 01:50.50 | vger_ | hello. what's the best way to post a screenshot on here? |
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| 01:51.56 | vger_ | i recently installed wheezy 7.8 dual boot on win 8.1 pc. installation went fine, but crashes during start up |
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| 02:01.28 | factor_ | I have upgraded to debian 7.8.0 with both updates iso's and the server is still saying its vuneriable to GHOST. |
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| 02:03.27 | vger_ | i assume it's a firmware issue, but don't know, or how to fix. |
| 02:03.59 | centrx | factor_, 'the server is saying'? |
| 02:04.14 | centrx | factor_, Do you have a sources.list line for security? |
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| 02:06.02 | factor_ | what would they be for the iso's |
| 02:06.07 | factor_ | centrx |
| 02:06.16 | factor_ | I also found this problem maybe. |
| 02:06.28 | centrx | factor_, Security updates are downloaded from the Internet, with apt from security.debian.org |
| 02:06.40 | centrx | factor_, If you're not connected to the Internet, you don't need security updates |
| 02:06.48 | centrx | !security |
| 02:06.49 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
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| 02:07.23 | factor_ | dont need secuirty , im on a intra net, dont want people to grab root shell from inside thenetowrk. |
| 02:08.20 | iWaldo_ | centrx: am i vulnerable if i only have main tagged for security updates? |
| 02:09.02 | centrx | iWaldo_, Do you have contrib or non-free in your regular sources lines? |
| 02:09.14 | iWaldo_ | yeap |
| 02:09.29 | centrx | iWaldo_, yeah add contrib and non-free to the security line too |
| 02:09.35 | iWaldo_ | i'll add them to security as well i think |
| 02:10.01 | factor_ | where can i down the secuirty files mnaully. |
| 02:11.49 | centrx | factor_, List of security advisories is available at https://www.debian.org/security/ - Package downloads available at packages.debian.org/<package name> |
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| 02:13.02 | centrx | factor_, Debian 7.8 contains all security updates up to DSA-3117, according to https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150110 |
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| 02:13.38 | lukatho | Hi, if I switch off or hibernate my laptop with my external hard drive, unplug the hard drive, and start again, it won't let me boot into Debian unless I wait 1 min 3 secs and then edit fstab. |
| 02:13.52 | centrx | iWaldo_, However, see https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contrib |
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| 02:14.56 | factor_ | So i ca download eglibc package and that shoudl be it. |
| 02:15.01 | factor_ | ca= can |
| 02:16.03 | iWaldo_ | centrx: sounds like no harm can come from adding them |
| 02:16.15 | iWaldo_ | thanks for the info1 |
| 02:16.19 | iWaldo_ | !* |
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| 02:21.20 | centrx | Anytime |
| 02:23.03 | factor_ | Not working , too many tings tied to libc6 -7 to just down a file. |
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| 02:23.17 | centrx | factor_, which one are you downloading? |
| 02:23.31 | centrx | factor_, You went to packages.debian.org/libc6 ? |
| 02:23.39 | factor_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:24.08 | centrx | factor_, Okay it looks like you have multiarch enabled, with both amd64 and i386 packages on the same machine |
| 02:24.09 | factor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.21 | factor_ | crap cant get the right line |
| 02:24.22 | centrx | factor_, So I suppose you have to download them both and install them at the same time, with dpkg -i <file1> <file2> |
| 02:24.29 | factor_ | I have both i386 and amd64 installed |
| 02:24.44 | factor_ | yes |
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| 02:25.03 | factor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.17 | factor_ | i get both erros not worried about the i386 for now. |
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| 02:26.41 | factor_ | if i could just grab someones apt cache of the secuirty files would be ice. |
| 02:26.50 | factor_ | nice^ |
| 02:27.17 | centrx | You tried installing both at the same time on the same dpkg command? |
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| 02:28.09 | factor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.10 | dpkg | package libc6_2.13-38+deb7u7_amd64.deb is already installed |
| 02:28.14 | factor_ | that is all I did |
| 02:28.42 | factor_ | i have both arch types installed though. |
| 02:28.45 | factor_ | for running wine |
| 02:29.06 | factor_ | wine and 386 , although not using it at this time so no worries about getting it up to par. |
| 02:29.22 | factor_ | just need the amd64 stuff patched. |
| 02:30.28 | centrx | Okay well I told you how to install them both |
| 02:30.57 | factor_ | i may install a virtual box on this system and save the apt cache directory from it. |
| 02:31.24 | factor_ | neither one is installed |
| 02:31.28 | factor_ | its did not work. |
| 02:31.35 | factor_ | I m going to have to grab a ton of files. |
| 02:31.56 | factor_ | i can save the cache from apt from a virtual box install and copy them all over that way. |
| 02:33.11 | centrx | Multiarch requires both archs to have the same version |
| 02:33.18 | centrx | The same package on both archs |
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| 02:33.56 | tertu | i'm not sure why i don't have 3D acceleration on this machine |
| 02:34.22 | factor_ | tertu:what do you have as the xserver? |
| 02:34.58 | factor_ | i use the binary NVIDIA drivers. but the nuveo one or what ever its called also works somewhat. |
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| 02:36.26 | tertu | um, not sure |
| 02:36.34 | tertu | it's an integrated intel chip |
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| 02:37.32 | factor_ | nouveau driver shoudl work |
| 02:37.47 | factor_ | make sure its selected in your X config |
| 02:38.14 | tertu | i thought nouveau was just for nvidia chips |
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| 02:39.28 | vger_ | nouveau doesn't work for me either. I have GeForce GTX 745 |
| 02:39.30 | factor_ | Looks like you are right. |
| 02:39.39 | factor_ | what video driver are you using.. tertu |
| 02:39.51 | tertu | i am trying to figure that out |
| 02:39.52 | factor_ | I only use NVIDIA though it was a generic driver. |
| 02:40.47 | tertu | i don't actually have an xorg.conf |
| 02:40.55 | tertu | so i'm going to make one and then get back to you about that |
| 02:41.44 | factor_ | ;) |
| 02:42.37 | factor_ | it could be going with defaults, whic wont work well for 3d stuff |
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| 02:46.11 | tertupocket | i tried to make an xorg.conf but that just caused the server to segfault |
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| 02:47.50 | zoku | mkinitramfs does not seem to include *any* modules, no matter my MODULES setting in mkinitramfs.conf |
| 02:47.56 | zoku | anyone had problems like this? |
| 02:49.03 | tertupocket | yeah |
| 02:49.08 | tertupocket | no sorry |
| 02:49.22 | tertupocket | but i cannot get -configure not to segfault |
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| 03:41.48 | STMelon | night all |
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| 03:44.48 | fluffywolf | fresh wheezy install. laptop with radeon video. no xv. any ideas? googling seems to find only very out of date things. xvinfo says no adaptors present. xorg log shows it's definitely loading the radeon driver, and a bunch of stuff about the card... |
| 03:45.58 | dvs | fluffywolf: No firmware-linux-nonfree package? |
| 03:46.18 | fluffywolf | it should work with the free radeon driver, no? |
| 03:46.33 | dvs | fluffywolf: you still need the firmware package. |
| 03:47.17 | fluffywolf | ok, downloading firmware-linux-nonfree now. |
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| 03:47.45 | fluffywolf | I thought the whole point of the free driver was it didn't need any of ati's blobs? |
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| 03:49.51 | fluffywolf | I wanted to see how HD video looked now that I have an actual HD display, and it managed about 3fps. :) |
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| 03:51.12 | fluffywolf | isn't used to 150dpi. things are leeeetle. |
| 03:52.30 | fluffywolf | ok, installed. probably have to reboot? |
| 03:52.39 | dvs | yup |
| 03:52.46 | fluffywolf | brb, then. |
| 03:53.39 | zoku | anyone good with mkinitramfs ? I can't get it to include any modules |
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| 03:55.04 | fluffywolf | looks like that did it! thanks. |
| 03:55.21 | dvs | 2fps? |
| 03:56.18 | fluffywolf | no, now it plays at full framerate. |
| 03:56.26 | dvs | darnit! ;-P |
| 03:56.33 | fluffywolf | and xvinfo gives info rather than saying no adaptors present. :) |
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| 03:57.27 | fluffywolf | I'm going to need to play with fonts some... 1920x1200 on a 15" lcd results in some very small fonts... |
| 03:59.19 | somiaj | fluffywolf: many things honor the Xdpi setting in .xdefaults |
| 03:59.32 | fluffywolf | and many things do not, like xterm. :) |
| 04:00.04 | somiaj | fluffywolf: xterm just specifies its own fonts, I guess I have a macro to call mine with bigger fonts. and I use Xft.dpi: 100 in my .Xdefaults |
| 04:00.22 | somiaj | though recentally fvwm title bars aren't honoring that, but I don't care, never really care about the title bar |
| 04:01.44 | fluffywolf | xterm's default font gives me 308 columns. that'll make really long lines of C easier. :P |
| 04:01.50 | dvs | C?!? |
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| 04:01.57 | dvs | !lart fluffywolf |
| 04:01.57 | dpkg | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, fluffywolf!" and lops off fluffywolf's head |
| 04:03.11 | fluffywolf | yes, C. fast, efficient, easy to read, easy to code. |
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| 04:03.50 | dvs | begs to differ about the last two |
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| 04:04.26 | fluffywolf | oh? I think it's one of the easiest languages to write, and unless you try to be unpleasant, generally is easy to read. unlike, say, brainfuck, or even worse, perl. |
| 04:05.05 | triogenes | you're comparing against a language which is intended to mind fuck you? |
| 04:05.21 | fluffywolf | no, I was just dissing perl. |
| 04:05.47 | srg | I think perl is fantastic. |
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| 04:07.57 | dvs | !start a language war |
| 04:07.57 | dpkg | C++ is cleaner than Haskell |
| 04:08.01 | dvs | yay! |
| 04:08.05 | fluffywolf | C is just so... simple. and logical. |
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| 04:08.39 | fluffywolf | C doesn't make you go "now why the fuck does it do that?!". |
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| 04:10.26 | OSVG | fluffywolf: No, but C occasionally does make you go "Now, why does this use so much memory?" followed by a few hours of scouring code for where you screwed up your cleanup. |
| 04:10.42 | fluffywolf | heh |
| 04:10.42 | OSVG | Though that's not the language's fault. |
| 04:11.36 | fluffywolf | of all the languages I've used or taught, I like C the best. that said, different tasks call for different languages. memory management, and the security implications thereof, are a very good reason to avoid C for many things. |
| 04:11.44 | OSVG | Unlike a certain language developed by Sun and now maintained by Oracle that purports to do it automagically in newer versions... |
| 04:12.24 | OSVG | Aye, there are some times where you need to write a program that runs without having to worry about ensuring that there's no open holes into your memory for said program. Or your timetable dictates that. |
| 04:12.29 | fluffywolf | gah, I hated teaching asm to students who learned java first. something about java apparantly breaks the brain such that asm is a complete and utterly ununderstandable conundrum. |
| 04:12.31 | OSVG | I like C quite a lot myself. |
| 04:12.53 | OSVG | fluffywolf: I've found that "Java programmers" tend to only know Java. |
| 04:13.08 | OSVG | While "C developers" tend to know three or four other languages. |
| 04:13.17 | OSVG | Not a comment on quality of either, just an observation. |
| 04:14.08 | fluffywolf | I've probably known 30 at various points in time, but my memory sucks too bad to write most of them without RTFMing. |
| 04:14.25 | OSVG | Aye. |
| 04:14.46 | OSVG | Also: TFW your package install takes long enough that your sudo times out. |
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| 04:15.21 | diego3f | Hello |
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| 04:16.25 | OSVG | Hi. |
| 04:18.18 | fluffywolf | c, c++, basic, java, bash, pascal, prolog, lisp, haskell, php, asm for several arches (hc11, mips, and sparc the best), perl, various small languages (bc, awk, etc), javascript, ocaml, esterel (wrote a networking library in that, was "fun"), umm... my memory sucks. lol |
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| 04:19.38 | fluffywolf | I started writing my own language picking the best features of a bunch of languages, but I never got much past making it compile basic C. lol |
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| 04:20.09 | fluffywolf | my language had a relational database, and persistant state over different executions, as part of the language semantics. :) |
| 04:20.38 | fluffywolf | I started with a C syntax, and got a mostly functional c-to-sparc compiler working... |
| 04:20.54 | OSVG | lol |
| 04:20.59 | OSVG | Fucking hell. |
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| 04:25.10 | fluffywolf | the security model got hairy... one of the many features was it should be able to run foreign code without security risks... |
| 04:25.36 | fluffywolf | I never wrote a single line of code towards the security model, just tried figuring out how to pull it off. |
| 04:26.11 | zoku | can anyone help me sort out why no matter what I put in initramfs.conf or /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, I have no modules in my initramfs |
| 04:26.14 | zoku | ? |
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| 04:27.43 | cheapie | Is there a way to get a CMD 640 IDE controller to work in Debian? |
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| 04:28.36 | centrx | cheapie, Does it not work when you install? |
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| 04:28.54 | srg | What number do UIDs start at? |
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| 04:29.17 | cheapie | centrx: I installed to a disk on a different controller, but there is another disk in the box on a CMD 640 that I'd like to have access to. |
| 04:29.52 | cheapie | centrx: The installer didn't detect the CMD 640 either, by the way. |
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| 04:32.03 | centrx | Is it really from 1996? |
| 04:32.13 | cheapie | centrx: Somewhere around there, yes. |
| 04:33.07 | cheapie | centrx: For the record, the drive in question has Debian 0.93R6 installed on it, and that boots and runs fine. |
| 04:35.14 | centrx | Yes I can see how that could be a problem |
| 04:35.57 | centrx | Does it show up on lspci? |
| 04:36.10 | centrx | Is there a kernel module that might not be build in the standard Debian kernel? |
| 04:36.17 | centrx | *built |
| 04:37.02 | cheapie | centrx: It shows up in lspci as "00:0d.0 IDE interface: Silicon Image, Inc. PCI0640 (rev 02)". |
| 04:37.28 | cheapie | (as far as I can tell, Silicon Image bought CMD at some point and kept their vendor number) |
| 04:37.38 | centrx | If you add the new drive and do lsblk does it show up? |
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| 04:37.53 | cheapie | centrx: No. |
| 04:38.44 | centrx | and yet the drive does work, with Debian 0.93R6 |
| 04:38.53 | centrx | sounds like a regression |
| 04:38.56 | cheapie | centrx: As far as I can tell, there's no module called cmd640, cmd640_pci, pata_cmd640, or pata_cmd640_pci. |
| 04:39.24 | cheapie | centrx: Correct. It has Debian 0.93R6 on it, which boots and runs fine, but it's not detected in Debian 8. |
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| 04:41.42 | cheapie | centrx: I just noticed "# CONFIG_PATA_CMD640_PCI is not set" in the configuration that was supposedly used to build this kernel back at... well, wherever Debian packages come from. |
| 04:41.49 | cheapie | centrx: Does it maybe default to n? |
| 04:42.45 | centrx | maybe |
| 04:42.52 | centrx | definitely if it can't have a module built for |
| 04:43.24 | centrx | I would think if a module were buildable, the Debian kernel maintainers would set it to M, but maybe it's so rare they don't build all modules |
| 04:43.28 | cheapie | centrx: I read the docs, and if set to m, it supposedly builds a module called "pata_cmd640". That module is not present. |
| 04:45.02 | cheapie | shrugs |
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| 04:45.12 | cheapie | I guess I'll have to see about getting it to play nice with the Ultra66. |
| 04:47.35 | centrx | I would spring for a Pentium III |
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| 04:51.34 | cheapie | centrx: Well, I moved it from the CMD 640 to the Ultra66, and while it POSTs and GRUB works fine, it then seems to hang at "Loading, please wait..." |
| 04:53.18 | centrx | cheapie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXnvVlNOcoM |
| 04:54.16 | cheapie | centrx: This isn't even a Pentium III. It's just a plain Pentium. 100 MHz, overclocked to 120. |
| 04:54.34 | cheapie | (that's 0.1 GHz, overclocked to 0.12 GHz in modern units) |
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| 04:54.43 | caseyb | yo. |
| 04:54.58 | caseyb | anyone ever get strongswan under networkmanager to work? |
| 04:55.12 | centrx | cheapie, oh you should check out the new Pentium Pro |
| 04:55.27 | caseyb | i don't see that as an option. VPN Connections/Configure VPN... dialog has no strongswan. |
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| 04:56.13 | ffurrywol | well that was rather annoying. X died. mouse pointer moved, and system was still running, but no display updates, response to keyboard, etc. |
| 04:56.18 | cheapie | centrx: I should mention that my connection to IRC here is done on a modern computer... this one has a 4 GHz 8-core CPU, overclocked to 4.4 GHz. Just a *little* faster than 0.12. |
| 04:56.36 | ffurrywol | magic-sysrq'ed it. |
| 04:56.52 | cheapie | centrx: As far as the computer with issues, it's still at "Loading, Please wait...", which usually only takes ~20 seconds. |
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| 04:57.26 | centrx | Shutting down for the night, Please wait... |
| 04:57.44 | cheapie | gives up and hits the power switch |
| 04:58.20 | cheapie | Heh, these Seagate stepper motor drives sound quite interesting when they spin down... |
| 04:58.56 | ffurrywol | how do you troubleshoot X failing like that? |
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| 05:01.09 | cheapie | wanders off to play Minetest or something |
| 05:01.17 | ffurrywol | gah! it just fucking did it again! |
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| 05:03.09 | ffurrywol | this system was rock solid before tonight. the only thing I did tonight was install firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 05:04.15 | linuxuz3r_ | do you guys know a good x11 programming book |
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| 05:07.31 | ffurrywol | nothing interesting in messages, xorg.log shows a mi eq overflowing and a bunch of traces. |
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| 05:12.27 | glogic | linuxuz3r_: have you tried in #xorg and #xorg-devel |
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| 05:43.23 | polyphagia | ~hey what should we do about these pages? https://wiki.debian.org/WinAppEquivalents https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsEquivalent |
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| 05:52.48 | Volunteers | hi polyphagia |
| 05:53.09 | kalin00b | i read a book how linux works and am halfway through the linux command line by same author i cannot get enough of linux so any recommendations on good reading material :) especially anything that focuses on debian |
| 05:54.47 | srg | man pages |
| 05:54.55 | srg | :-P |
| 05:55.10 | srg | Find something to do, then do it. That's how I learned. |
| 05:55.41 | srg | Run a web server, run a smtpd & imap setup, configure hardening, configure iptables, configure acl's, install postgresql |
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| 05:55.52 | srg | try different window managers |
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| 05:56.14 | polyphagia | hi welcome back Volunteers |
| 05:56.29 | kalin00b | i find commands to do and do them |
| 05:56.44 | polyphagia | kalin00b: if you haven't yet you should consider learning awk |
| 05:57.34 | kalin00b | the programming launguage? |
| 05:57.38 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 05:58.07 | polyphagia | you'll find it really useful when working with CLI apps that spit out any sort of formatted text |
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| 05:58.20 | kalin00b | i have wanted to learn programming for a long time actually :) I've only written (extremely) simple shell scripts |
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| 05:59.01 | kalin00b | ill take the advice to mind thanks :) |
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| 06:04.00 | polyphagia | wow the new gnome3 classic mode is fantastic |
| 06:04.12 | polyphagia | much much improved |
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| 06:13.24 | kalin00b | how do i know if my swap partition is working it never appears to be in use |
| 06:17.36 | jelly-home | kalin00b: if it's listed in "swapon -s" output, it works |
| 06:18.33 | kalin00b | its not |
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| 06:18.56 | kingsley | There may be a stress test utility that exercises swap. I'd like to think that if there is, you could find it by searching Google's indices with the right key words, like |
| 06:19.05 | kingsley | debian disk stress test package |
| 06:19.12 | kingsley | but that's just a guess. |
| 06:19.13 | kalin00b | i was just following along this awk guide and it saying it was present at installation reminded me of this problem |
| 06:20.34 | kalin00b | i installed fedora on my 2nd harddrive and it divided my swap into 2 and it hasnt appeared to be working since |
| 06:22.54 | kalin00b | one being labeled swap still the other is just "unknown" appears to be empty partition that appeared after i installed it |
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| 06:23.56 | kalin00b | idk how to fix this ill google it :P |
| 06:26.39 | jelly-home | kalin00b: which debian release are you using? |
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| 06:33.14 | kalin00b | wheezy |
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| 06:38.40 | jelly-home | kalin00b: by default, debian picks the swap partition listed in /etc/fstab that matches the particular UUID. If you delete and recreate the swap partition, fix that UUID, or mkswap it again using the --uuid parameter with that same value |
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| 06:39.26 | kalin00b | looking at fstab in one of my terminals so have the uuid in front of me |
| 06:39.37 | jelly-home | kalin00b: blkid command can tell you UUIDs of formatted swaps and filesystems |
| 06:40.01 | kalin00b | yeah so did this awk command to print fstab |
| 06:40.37 | jelly-home | not sure what awk's got to do with it |
| 06:41.09 | kalin00b | the command i ran awk '/^UUID/' /etc/fstab |
| 06:41.18 | kalin00b | has the UUID's listed |
| 06:41.43 | kalin00b | thats all it has to do with it lol |
| 06:41.52 | kalin00b | just that it happened to remind me that this was an issue |
| 06:42.04 | kalin00b | i knew it was an issue a while back but forgot about it |
| 06:43.11 | kalin00b | its cool im reading how to fix it atm ^_^ |
| 06:46.57 | kalin00b | yeah blkid doesnt even know it exists |
| 06:47.29 | kalin00b | all i have is ext4 on sda1 |
| 06:47.49 | kalin00b | its in fstab but thats it |
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| 06:49.01 | jelly-home | kalin00b: pastebin the outputs of "lsblk", "blkid", and "grep swap /etc/fstab" |
| 06:49.13 | kalin00b | kk |
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| 06:52.49 | kalin00b | well nope dont have a pastebin account and cant activate one as torguard is not working it appears |
| 06:53.04 | kalin00b | none of my emails are showing up for whatever dumb reason |
| 06:53.33 | kalin00b | oh duh i installed noscript nvm :) |
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| 06:55.38 | glogic | paste bin from the command line: http://ix.io/ |
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| 06:57.48 | kalin00b | http://pastebin.com/VZXt6b7Q |
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| 07:02.53 | kalin00b | its so broken :( |
| 07:03.20 | kalin00b | only the ext4 is of any use |
| 07:03.49 | kalin00b | the other 2 are just things fedora broke |
| 07:04.01 | jelly-home | kalin00b: so you don't seem to have a swap signature on sda5 at all at present time |
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| 07:05.12 | kalin00b | so do I get on fedora unmount sda and just delete the 2 broken ones and make a swap? |
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| 07:06.55 | kalin00b | ill look up the related commands but is that the general idea? |
| 07:06.59 | jelly-home | broken whats? |
| 07:07.07 | kalin00b | partitions |
| 07:07.18 | kalin00b | the used to be swap |
| 07:07.21 | jelly-home | which ones do you think are broken? |
| 07:07.32 | kalin00b | sda2 and sda5 |
| 07:07.40 | kalin00b | idk broken theyre waste of space tho |
| 07:07.44 | kalin00b | not doing anything |
| 07:08.00 | kalin00b | used to just be 5 and a working swap partition |
| 07:08.10 | jelly-home | sda2 is just a container for sda5 |
| 07:08.19 | kalin00b | oh well |
| 07:08.27 | kalin00b | i used to just see 1 and 5 |
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| 07:09.00 | jelly-home | and it's still that way |
| 07:09.11 | kalin00b | nah if i look in gui |
| 07:09.13 | kalin00b | i see 3 |
| 07:09.29 | kalin00b | used to just see 2 |
| 07:10.23 | jelly-home | well, 18GB seems a bit excessive for a swap partition |
| 07:11.02 | jelly-home | so yeah, you might clean that up first, set it up a bit differently, then mkswap |
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| 07:11.32 | glogic | 18GB for swap? Heh. |
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| 07:13.24 | orzo | this is a bit unusual, but I have an ext4 filesystem and there's a directory on it that i want to change the order of the files in. Is there a tool for this? |
| 07:13.26 | kalin00b | its how it installed! |
| 07:13.39 | kalin00b | i had no idea anything about linux when i installed! |
| 07:14.08 | glogic | kalin00b: No worries, how much ram do you have? |
| 07:15.23 | orzo | i found a package fatsort for doing this for FAT filesystem, but i have ext4 |
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| 07:16.06 | kalin00b | 11993 |
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| 07:16.24 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 07:16.59 | ychaouche | I have written a logrotate config file for my daemon but I can't get it to work. |
| 07:17.06 | ychaouche | will paste in a sec |
| 07:17.12 | glogic | kalin00b: what is the output of "free -h" under Mem total. |
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| 07:18.14 | kalin00b | 11G |
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| 07:18.32 | glogic | kalin00b: Ok, you will probably never even see swap used. Set it to 4GB. |
| 07:18.42 | ychaouche | https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/4a63fafa9e48f9724e10 |
| 07:18.43 | kalin00b | lol |
| 07:18.45 | kalin00b | okay |
| 07:20.35 | ychaouche | I also tried to launch logrotate by hand like this : $ logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 07:22.11 | kalin00b | i kinda figured as much its a really nice laptop but i do like things to be where they are supposed to and working and no space being wasted |
| 07:22.12 | ychaouche | How does logrotate know that it's time to rotate the logs when the config says to do it on a daily basis ? |
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| 07:22.38 | kalin00b | if its never even gonna be used though...could i just give my ext4 more space? |
| 07:22.38 | ychaouche | because looking at the file's time (in ls output), it's always todays date that is displayed... |
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| 07:29.10 | kalin00b | man worrying about swap took me away from productive things but thanks for the help :) |
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| 07:29.51 | kalin00b | im gonna go back to other linux stuff i can fix that some other time not how i want to spend the night if swap is completely unnecessary for my computer in the first place |
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| 07:31.02 | glogic | kalin00b: All depends on what you do with the machine. |
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| 07:45.03 | ychaouche | kalin00b: is it a computer or a server ? |
| 07:45.13 | ychaouche | 11G I thought it was a server |
| 07:45.27 | ychaouche | glogic: isn't swap needed when you hibernate ? |
| 07:46.08 | glogic | ychaouche: Sure. As I said, it depends on how you use the machine... |
| 07:46.13 | ychaouche | I beleive the system dumps the RAM in the swap partition then loads it back on wake up. |
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| 07:50.21 | kalin00b | its a laptop.... |
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| 07:54.14 | kalin00b | a really expensive laptop and stuff but not a server >_> |
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| 07:55.38 | kalin00b | dont laugh at me i didnt buy it and i didnt know someday it would be ridiculous for my choice of hobby :P |
| 07:55.50 | kalin00b | it was bought with gaming in mind |
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| 07:57.55 | ychaouche | Wow. I didn't know we made 11Go RAM laptops. I'm really impressed. |
| 07:58.22 | ychaouche | Which brand is manifacturing such a beauty ? |
| 07:58.32 | kalin00b | alienware |
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| 07:59.00 | jelly-home | any brand that can fit a 4GB and a 8GB so-dimm in it! |
| 07:59.53 | chomwitt_ | i cant find on the debian manuals instructions for upgrading from a minor stable release to a next minor stable release. |
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| 08:00.16 | kalin00b | i havent touched a video game since i installed linux >_> i feel like the poor computer is sad |
| 08:00.46 | kalin00b | its purpose is not being fulfilled :P |
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| 08:02.05 | zoku | kalin00b: steampowered.com |
| 08:02.07 | zoku | :] |
| 08:02.08 | adc | chomwitt_: if your packages are kept up to date with apt-get or aptitude, you're fine |
| 08:02.25 | jelly-home | chomwitt_: there is none -- it's just patches applied. |
| 08:02.28 | adc | chomwitt_: the minor point releases refer to updated installation media |
| 08:02.29 | kalin00b | :P I know I just...always wanna be learning linux its like an addiction |
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| 08:02.59 | kalin00b | so maybe the laptop is actually happy cause its being used and loved more than ever |
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| 08:04.17 | kalin00b | i did at one point intend to put steam on it though |
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| 08:06.12 | chomwitt_ | thanks adc and jelly-home |
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| 08:10.41 | dopesmoker | somebody heres knows if the linux mint has the ubuntu annoying feature that need to log with root everytime if you're using sudo and everything? |
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| 08:12.54 | kalin00b | i hated that on linux mint |
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| 08:13.38 | kalin00b | required a password every 2 seconds |
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| 08:13.56 | dopesmoker | so it has? fuck ... good to know |
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| 08:14.01 | kalin00b | yeah |
| 08:14.18 | kalin00b | requires a password literally every time u look away for 2 miliseconds |
| 08:14.28 | dopesmoker | yes ubuntu sucks |
| 08:14.46 | kalin00b | never used ubuntu |
| 08:14.52 | kalin00b | but i HATED that on mint |
| 08:15.01 | kalin00b | which is why its no longer installed |
| 08:15.01 | dopesmoker | but this features is forked from ubuntu |
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| 08:15.20 | dopesmoker | if you used linux mind is kinda use ubuntu |
| 08:15.52 | kalin00b | yeah that feature alone made me delete it from the harddrive |
| 08:15.56 | kalin00b | fedora is now there |
| 08:16.32 | kalin00b | it literally drove me insane i never wanted to use it |
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| 08:16.49 | dopesmoker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:16.56 | dopesmoker | i didnt see a point |
| 08:17.01 | kalin00b | i would switch to google something id come back and it wanted another password |
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| 08:17.26 | kalin00b | i mainly chose fedora cause i plan on taking rhel exams |
| 08:17.40 | kalin00b | and wanted practice with a red hat type |
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| 08:17.55 | kalin00b | i only use my debian though honestly |
| 08:18.02 | dopesmoker | cool |
| 08:18.12 | kalin00b | even when i need to practice for class i dont bother bringing up fedora |
| 08:18.34 | kalin00b | i had good intentions when i installed it like i will study with this |
| 08:18.43 | kalin00b | but meh this is the only one i like using |
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| 08:19.34 | dopesmoker | but RHEL come with a lot of exclusive business software? |
| 08:19.43 | dopesmoker | you install that in fedora? |
| 08:19.46 | kalin00b | nah |
| 08:19.55 | kalin00b | just the commands that are slightly different |
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| 08:20.00 | kalin00b | is what i really meant |
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| 08:20.24 | kalin00b | im in class right now for practicing for the exams |
| 08:20.31 | kalin00b | no software has been brought up |
| 08:20.44 | kalin00b | just command line and general linux stuff |
| 08:20.45 | dopesmoker | what course you are making? |
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| 08:21.04 | kalin00b | linux pc something or other at a community college |
| 08:21.16 | kalin00b | its for the rhel certification exams tho |
| 08:21.24 | kalin00b | we use red hat on the computers there |
| 08:21.30 | kalin00b | allowed to be root on them too :P |
| 08:21.40 | dopesmoker | hahah cool |
| 08:21.47 | kalin00b | he told us he can reset the OS with 1 button so if we ruined it oh well |
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| 08:22.04 | kalin00b | can install whatever i want on there :) |
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| 08:22.23 | kalin00b | its pretty fun class |
| 08:22.34 | kalin00b | most fun ive ever had in a school course |
| 08:24.46 | kalin00b | we do go over the debian versions of things too actually |
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| 08:25.03 | kalin00b | so when theres a different command its very clear in the book |
| 08:25.19 | kalin00b | totally unnecessary for me to install a whole OS for lol |
| 08:25.46 | dopesmoker | you use vmware? |
| 08:25.47 | kalin00b | i thought it would be a way bigger difference than it is :P |
| 08:25.51 | kalin00b | yeah |
| 08:25.59 | dopesmoker | hehehe |
| 08:26.21 | kalin00b | but i have 2 hard drives didnt want mint and having it "for my exams" sounded like a good idea |
| 08:26.36 | kalin00b | i know vm wouldve been plenty lol |
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| 08:26.52 | kalin00b | just wanted something for other harddrive so i could have more than 1 distro xD |
| 08:27.02 | kalin00b | i dont want windows ever again |
| 08:27.06 | kalin00b | not for 1 second |
| 08:27.08 | dopesmoker | do the exam with vmware just dont give a shit |
| 08:27.26 | dopesmoker | i use windows too |
| 08:27.51 | kalin00b | yeah the differences are not major to begin with i mean they are there especially in like the conf files |
| 08:28.06 | kalin00b | but as far as commands go nah not as much as i expected |
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| 08:28.42 | kalin00b | i havent wanted windows 1 time since i left it xD |
| 08:28.54 | kalin00b | more linux distros i always want tho |
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| 08:29.09 | kalin00b | finding one i really love as another installation though i have yet to do |
| 08:29.29 | kalin00b | i keep changing whats on my 2nd harddrive every month |
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| 08:29.52 | dopesmoker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.54 | kalin00b | yeah xD i know, but im always wanting to try out this one or that one and disliking whats currently installed |
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| 08:30.58 | kalin00b | so i change it |
| 08:31.03 | kalin00b | except my debian :P |
| 08:31.21 | kalin00b | its been the same since day 1 of having linux |
| 08:31.28 | kalin00b | i really adore it |
| 08:31.47 | dopesmoker | yeah debian is kinda another whole thing |
| 08:33.01 | dopesmoker | 10 years ago apt get was like the best thing ever |
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| 08:33.23 | kalin00b | i had a mac 10 years ago |
| 08:33.25 | kalin00b | lulz |
| 08:33.31 | kalin00b | i was 16 xD |
| 08:33.39 | kalin00b | i thought it was soooo cool too |
| 08:34.01 | kalin00b | then i thought my windows was soooo cool |
| 08:34.07 | kalin00b | then i found linux :) |
| 08:34.20 | dopesmoker | those colored macs was cool |
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| 08:34.48 | kalin00b | haha i thought it was the best thing ever |
| 08:34.59 | kalin00b | i dont think i did anything but use safari on it |
| 08:35.19 | kalin00b | i had it til it was so well used it overheated and made horrible grinding noises tho xD |
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| 08:35.36 | dopesmoker | hahahah |
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| 08:35.50 | kalin00b | i was proud of that thing lol |
| 08:36.10 | kalin00b | i thought i was all hip and counter culture cause of my awesome mac |
| 08:36.27 | kalin00b | being a dumb teenager and all lol |
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| 08:36.45 | dopesmoker | hahaha mac is the most mainstream thing ever actually |
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| 08:38.14 | kalin00b | I KNOW |
| 08:38.18 | kalin00b | thats what makes it funny |
| 08:38.33 | kalin00b | i was like "ha u posers with ur windows look at my macbook" |
| 08:38.38 | dopesmoker | hehehe i get it |
| 08:38.47 | dopesmoker | haahahha |
| 08:39.00 | kalin00b | i mean i really thought that xD |
| 08:39.08 | dopesmoker | in my college i always hated all those macfags |
| 08:39.12 | kalin00b | i would like cheer when i saw the im a mac im a pc commercials |
| 08:39.20 | dopesmoker | desgin college is kinda the worst thing to mac snobs |
| 08:39.21 | kalin00b | and be like yeah thats how it is losers! |
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| 08:40.31 | dopesmoker | hahahah thats is a cool existential insight |
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| 08:42.09 | kalin00b | yeah i thought i was sooo awesome lol |
| 08:42.16 | dopesmoker | but i never buy a notebook with windows licence either |
| 08:42.24 | kalin00b | the thing was a piece of crap and i didnt even do cool unix stuff on it |
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| 08:42.37 | kalin00b | yeah i still like macs better than windows |
| 08:42.40 | dopesmoker | is so retarded pay for a windows licence i mean notebook with linux installed are a lot cheaper |
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| 08:42.54 | kalin00b | ugh this thing cost sooo much lol |
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| 08:42.58 | kalin00b | was a christmas present |
| 08:43.21 | kalin00b | and until i installed linux on it i didnt care about it hardly |
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| 08:43.34 | kalin00b | windows was boring all it was good for was games |
| 08:43.40 | kalin00b | which is all i did on it xD |
| 08:43.55 | kalin00b | and even when i got into doing computer stuff i wasnt happy with it at all |
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| 08:44.29 | kalin00b | for like 3 months i would talk about wanting to just install linux and 1 night at 4 am i had a live cd and was like SCREW IT |
| 08:44.46 | kalin00b | was gonna dual boot it accidently erased the hdd :P |
| 08:45.01 | kalin00b | best thing to happen to me |
| 08:45.37 | dopesmoker | hehehe man is so common fuck your partitions when creating dualboots i dont know wwhy exacly, it gets better with the years |
| 08:45.38 | kalin00b | it took me about 8 hours to install though cause the first cd didnt work and had to get bf to make like 20 more |
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| 08:45.52 | kalin00b | i thought OH NO IM STUCK ON A LIVE CD FOREVER |
| 08:46.18 | kalin00b | but soon as it was successful at installing and i started to use it i was in love |
| 08:47.06 | dopesmoker | yeah you feels that you have more geek control |
| 08:47.12 | kalin00b | i had used vms before but they were always crappy small screens and it didnt feel like it was a real experience enough to realize how cool command line is |
| 08:47.13 | dopesmoker | is nice this emotion |
| 08:47.23 | kalin00b | its like soooo addicting lol |
| 08:47.31 | kalin00b | this emotion xD |
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| 08:49.03 | dopesmoker | yeah a lot of people feels that, the people who wrote code for the community was hooked like that at some time intheir life |
| 08:49.06 | dopesmoker | and never come back |
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| 08:49.46 | kalin00b | i wasted so many years of my life not knowing this feeling |
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| 08:50.08 | kalin00b | 6 of them married to a cruel hateful person |
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| 08:50.15 | kalin00b | after which i hated life |
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| 08:50.53 | kalin00b | i envy ppl who discover loving linux when theyre teenagers :-/ |
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| 08:51.04 | polyphagia | kalin00b: so are you just starting with *nix? |
| 08:51.09 | kalin00b | yeah |
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| 08:51.24 | polyphagia | you're normally a windows user then? |
| 08:51.32 | kalin00b | i was |
| 08:51.36 | polyphagia | :) |
| 08:51.41 | polyphagia | are you using debian now? |
| 08:51.42 | kalin00b | i wouldnt say normally anymore :P |
| 08:51.45 | kalin00b | yeah |
| 08:51.47 | blosser | http://fintank.ru/game/ -- feel the power of PHP whenever you are! |
| 08:51.50 | polyphagia | good good |
| 08:51.51 | kalin00b | its my favorite |
| 08:51.53 | polyphagia | me too |
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| 08:52.16 | kalin00b | ive tried many distros but debian is like that one i REALLY adore |
| 08:52.22 | kalin00b | and dont wanna replace ever :P |
| 08:52.34 | polyphagia | i don't understand why debian-based distros get the market share |
| 08:52.35 | kalin00b | the 2nd harddrive gets a new distro every month literally |
| 08:52.37 | polyphagia | and not debian directly |
| 08:52.50 | polyphagia | the QA in debian is outstanding in comparison |
| 08:53.06 | kalin00b | i tried debian based like mint. did not care for it. |
| 08:53.24 | dopesmoker | because of the not proprietary software that came with the debian-based distros |
| 08:53.32 | kalin00b | mostly as i was saying because every 2 seconds i had to type in the password again |
| 08:53.39 | dopesmoker | ebian you need to install buy yourself |
| 08:53.51 | polyphagia | yeah i guess just convenience for nonfree |
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| 08:54.18 | polyphagia | the wiki needs some work too |
| 08:54.19 | kalin00b | haha yeah like i said took me 8 hours and like 20 cds to install my first time xD |
| 08:54.31 | kalin00b | after i overwrote the harddrive and had nothing else to fall back on |
| 08:54.33 | polyphagia | yeah the net install is pretty gnarly though |
| 08:54.56 | kalin00b | i was so mad after a while im glad i was determined enough to keep trying :) |
| 08:55.09 | polyphagia | that's the spirit |
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| 08:55.30 | kalin00b | i would be so much sadder right now if i gave up and went back to windows |
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| 08:56.33 | dopesmoker | i need to use windows |
| 08:57.09 | dopesmoker | to use some adobe and video edition |
| 08:57.11 | kalin00b | i have a windows vm that i exploit |
| 08:57.16 | kalin00b | thats it |
| 08:57.17 | kalin00b | lol |
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| 08:58.09 | kalin00b | u wanna know something dumb MS told me to get my cd key i paid for with this computer back i had to talk to alienware then they wouldnt give it back without me paying them additional money |
| 08:58.24 | kalin00b | my bf gave me a torrented one xD |
| 08:58.27 | polyphagia | ye i swallowed the pill a while ago and now don't even bother w/ windows or proprietary apps |
| 08:58.41 | kalin00b | i wanted the alienware fx |
| 08:58.50 | kalin00b | the thing that makes the keyboard change color |
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| 08:59.20 | dopesmoker | i just download all the proprietary softwares never paid for them |
| 08:59.26 | kalin00b | its mostly there for me to run exploits on tho xD |
| 08:59.46 | dopesmoker | and never gonna pay, for personal consumption? fuck it |
| 09:00.10 | kalin00b | yeah i was definately not about to pay for something that i bought a long time ago |
| 09:00.15 | polyphagia | that's just ridiculous kalin00b |
| 09:00.19 | kalin00b | like i gotta pay u guys for something i own? |
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| 09:00.57 | kalin00b | and they wouldnt even give it to me themselves i would have to go to alienware get it then pay them |
| 09:01.01 | kalin00b | thats what i was told |
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| 09:01.16 | polyphagia | why do you have alienware hw tho |
| 09:01.41 | kalin00b | its my only computer and was picked out with games in mind |
| 09:01.48 | kalin00b | as thats the only thing i did on computers |
| 09:01.56 | polyphagia | o |
| 09:01.57 | dopesmoker | yeah alienware is good to work with graphics too |
| 09:02.08 | kalin00b | really my ex husband just exploited my dad by making him pay for it so he could not let me use it |
| 09:02.25 | kalin00b | i didnt even get to touch it hardly until i moved out |
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| 09:03.20 | kalin00b | and then was told that i had to give it to him cause his name was on the receipt HE DIDNT EVEN PAY FOR IT lol |
| 09:03.31 | kalin00b | MY family did |
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| 09:03.41 | dopesmoker | shitty husband |
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| 09:03.48 | kalin00b | he was an asshole :-/ |
| 09:03.58 | kalin00b | he treated me like shit |
| 09:04.01 | guest142352 | I just installed plebian, now what? |
| 09:04.06 | kalin00b | im so glad to be free of him |
| 09:04.09 | jelly-home | guest142352: what's plebian? |
| 09:04.16 | guest142352 | Debian |
| 09:04.24 | kalin00b | even on my desktop my dad gave me money to buy a nice video card |
| 09:04.36 | jelly-home | guest142352: which installation image did you use? |
| 09:04.40 | kalin00b | he made me get a mediocre one so he could use rest of money on himself |
| 09:04.46 | guest142352 | Live gnome |
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| 09:04.57 | jelly-home | guest142352: I mean, where did you get it from? |
| 09:05.02 | kalin00b | only thing he ended up getting to keep was the tv and that got stolen :) |
| 09:05.07 | kalin00b | which is hilarious |
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| 09:05.16 | dopesmoker | hahaha |
| 09:05.18 | guest142352 | debian.org |
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| 09:05.34 | jelly-home | guest142352: alright, now use and enjoy your system. |
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| 09:06.26 | kalin00b | he also called me an idiot for 6 years straight which is hilarious cause he can only game on a computer |
| 09:06.34 | kalin00b | i can do cool linux stuff :) |
| 09:07.12 | kalin00b | when i got this computer it had SO MUCH MALWARE on it too |
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| 09:07.37 | kalin00b | the more i learn the more i see what a douschebag idiot he was |
| 09:07.45 | dopesmoker | hahaha he's a lot stupidier |
| 09:08.16 | kalin00b | yeah he knew how to do one computer thing and thats put together hardware and most of the time he failed at it and his stepdad had to fix it |
| 09:08.33 | kalin00b | i got tricked majorly |
| 09:08.45 | kalin00b | i believed the dumb things he told me |
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| 09:08.56 | kalin00b | then he left me for a fat frumpy chick |
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| 09:09.11 | kalin00b | and i met the person who changed my life :D |
| 09:09.19 | kalin00b | so am very happy right now |
| 09:09.24 | kalin00b | with my whole life |
| 09:09.41 | dopesmoker | what about the new kali mobile install anyway? watch dogs real life? |
| 09:10.01 | jelly-home | best ask |
| 09:10.02 | kalin00b | i have kali on my tablet |
| 09:10.02 | jelly-home | !kali |
| 09:10.03 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 09:10.14 | kalin00b | i thought he was gonna say to ask me xD |
| 09:10.24 | jelly-home | that channel ^^ #kali-linux |
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| 09:12.08 | dopesmoker | !kali |
| 09:12.08 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 09:12.44 | dopesmoker | yeah i was asking you |
| 09:13.23 | kalin00b | kali was my first linux experience ever :P |
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| 09:13.40 | kalin00b | when my bf said hey now that u like hacking try this in a vm |
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| 09:14.05 | polyphagia | knoppix was mine |
| 09:14.10 | kalin00b | was a tiny screen and everything looked so confusing to me |
| 09:14.20 | izabera | hi guys, quick question: why does manpages-posix provide the 2003 standard? |
| 09:14.27 | kalin00b | the longer i continued to learn tho the more i wanted linux |
| 09:14.45 | kalin00b | til over exhausted 4 am i decided ILL DUAL BOOT |
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| 09:15.26 | kalin00b | i kept asking like i want linux and windows what do i do and was never told so tried boring things like cygwin |
| 09:15.41 | kalin00b | not the same experience lol |
| 09:16.12 | kalin00b | kept being told why would u install linux windows can do everything it can |
| 09:16.17 | kalin00b | YEAH RIGHT |
| 09:17.23 | kalin00b | none of the "linux options" for windows measured up once i installed it |
| 09:17.38 | kalin00b | like ive been missing out on THIS? |
| 09:18.12 | kalin00b | if i can get my certifcation do it for a living ill be supremely happy |
| 09:18.22 | polyphagia | it's hard to resist |
| 09:18.52 | kalin00b | i kept knowing in the back of my mind i wanted to install it but everyone kept saying dont |
| 09:18.58 | kalin00b | just use a vm or cygwin |
| 09:19.04 | kalin00b | pfff |
| 09:19.30 | polyphagia | alright seriously which page should we keep i think one of them needs to be deleted https://wiki.debian.org/WinAppEquivalents https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsEquivalent |
| 09:19.34 | polyphagia | lol vm |
| 09:19.40 | polyphagia | nahh |
| 09:20.09 | kalin00b | yeah vms really measure up |
| 09:20.10 | kalin00b | not |
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| 09:20.59 | kalin00b | and that page poly linked just said itself linux can do whatever windows can :P |
| 09:21.13 | kalin00b | ....better :) |
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| 09:24.41 | polyphagia | yeah kalin00b one of these pages needs to be deleted |
| 09:24.46 | polyphagia | i'm trying to decide which |
| 09:24.52 | polyphagia | although i don't think i have authority |
| 09:25.21 | polyphagia | i've been contributing to the debian wiki a bit recently since a lot of it's out of date |
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| 09:25.29 | polyphagia | needs some TLC |
| 09:25.32 | polyphagia | and clean up overall |
| 09:26.32 | kalin00b | im looking |
| 09:26.40 | kalin00b | i was sending some texts |
| 09:26.52 | kalin00b | ill give u my uneducated input :P |
| 09:26.57 | polyphagia | thanks |
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| 09:27.23 | jaggzt | halp |
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| 09:27.41 | polyphagia | hi jaggzt |
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| 09:28.16 | jaggzt | :) I can't get a cronjob to play an alarm. mpg123 works from commandline, but from the cronjob it runs and piping it to a log shows it decodes the mp3, but I hear no sound |
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| 09:29.05 | polyphagia | jaggzt: what is the file you're running and is it +x'd etc? |
| 09:29.07 | jaggzt | I'm suspecting it has something to do with the cron job not being "withing" X.. and having no connection to the audio or something.. not sure how it works. |
| 09:29.30 | jaggzt | mpg123 ? |
| 09:29.48 | jaggzt | it's fine.. works from commandline |
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| 09:30.44 | armin | jaggzt: pulseaudio? |
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| 09:30.56 | armin | jaggzt: did you try setting the output device manually using -a? |
| 09:31.13 | armin | jaggzt: how does your cronjob look like? |
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| 09:31.48 | jaggzt | yeah this system is apparently using pulseaudio |
| 09:31.52 | token001 | i an not able to open external hard disc in terminal. it is mounted as listed in /media folder. when i type cd HD Movies, it says HD: No such file or directory. |
| 09:31.57 | jaggzt | no.. haven't tried setting the audio device.. going to look into that |
| 09:32.26 | armin | jaggzt: did you have a look in pavucontrol if mpg123 is actually streaming stuff to an actual output device? |
| 09:32.33 | jaggzt | armin, the cronjob has nothing in it except the line to run mpg123 |
| 09:32.41 | armin | jaggzt: then that should work. |
| 09:32.43 | jaggzt | the command executes fine, by the way |
| 09:32.48 | armin | jaggzt: yea. |
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| 09:32.53 | jaggzt | pavucontrol? taking a look |
| 09:33.15 | armin | jaggzt: it's TERRIBLE software, written by lennart poettering, but it will do the job and it will be installed already. |
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| 09:33.39 | armin | jaggzt: don't get used to using that as anything more than a debugging tool. |
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| 09:34.16 | kalin00b | was texting again lemme see these 2 pages now |
| 09:34.22 | jaggzt | darn.. my alarm is 3 seconds long.. :) |
| 09:34.32 | armin | why only 3 seconds? |
| 09:34.33 | AciD` | armin > I use it everyday to switch from headphones to speakers and vice versa. I don't know of any other easy way to do that |
| 09:34.44 | armin | i'm playing a 2 hour mix set every morning and kill it when i leave the house. |
| 09:34.49 | kalin00b | https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsEquivalent should be kept |
| 09:35.14 | kalin00b | it includes games :) many gamers are out there that should try linux so that game companies will be forced to make some for it |
| 09:35.15 | jaggzt | armin, it's an alarm |
| 09:35.23 | armin | AciD`: i NEVER said that pulseaudio doesn't implement features that other software does not. |
| 09:35.32 | armin | jaggzt: use a longer mp3 for debugging then. |
| 09:35.54 | kalin00b | https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsEquivalent has more stuffs listed in general |
| 09:36.05 | kalin00b | i think that one is the better page |
| 09:36.37 | jaggzt | okay.. I see it in pavucontrol .. it goes in as "ALSA plug-in [mpg123.bin]: ALSA Payback on" |
| 09:36.38 | token001 | i an not able to open external hard disc in terminal. it is mounted as listed in /media folder. when i type cd HD Movies, it says HD: No such file or directory. |
| 09:36.55 | polyphagia | lol kalin00b i just added games today :P |
| 09:36.58 | kalin00b | i still need to fix my firmware bug with alsa that reminds me |
| 09:37.01 | armin | AciD`: i'm an lsd fan at heart so you can probably tell how interested i am in switching outputs on the fly while playing, but pulseaudio seriously is bad software at a lot of points. i even *have* to use it to have support for some USB audio devices that i have (and use), but still pulse is terrible software. |
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| 09:37.09 | polyphagia | alright i'm changing the links to the other ones to https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsEquivalent |
| 09:37.13 | polyphagia | then will delete the other page i think |
| 09:37.14 | kalin00b | games is good section to have many ppl stay with windows because of games |
| 09:37.31 | kalin00b | thats the biggest reason i hear behind not using linux honestly |
| 09:37.34 | AciD` | lsd ? |
| 09:37.36 | kalin00b | is cant game |
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| 09:37.41 | armin | lsd . |
| 09:37.54 | polyphagia | yeah kalin00b the debian games section has over 1k packages |
| 09:38.03 | jaggzt | armin, don't get used to pavucontrol? |
| 09:38.03 | polyphagia | plus all the games that work on wine and steam etc if you want to use proprietary |
| 09:38.04 | AciD` | lysergic acid dietialimne ? |
| 09:38.08 | armin | jaggzt: no. |
| 09:38.21 | armin | AciD`: lysergic acid diethylamine, yes. |
| 09:38.28 | polyphagia | wine is becoming a better platform than windows itself for older software |
| 09:38.47 | armin | (already got) |
| 09:39.00 | kalin00b | games is the only argument i keep hearing for why didnt switch to linux |
| 09:39.02 | armin | wine can run a lot of old programs. |
| 09:39.17 | armin | kalin00b: also, get rid of the thought of switching. |
| 09:39.26 | AciD` | anyway, I wanted to say that yes, pa is a pita, pavucontrol UI is from the 1980s, but it's the only solution so far :( |
| 09:39.34 | armin | kalin00b: use the operating system that is the correct choice for some task. period. |
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| 09:39.36 | jaggzt | armin, hrm.. what audio dev would I use for mpg123? |
| 09:39.48 | armin | AciD`: it's not from the 80s. |
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| 09:40.04 | polyphagia | yeah kalin00b there are tons of great native games and wine is outstanding nowadays |
| 09:40.08 | kalin00b | huh get rid of the thought of switching? |
| 09:40.20 | armin | AciD`: the problem is that lennart poettering is an egoist who doesn't even fix bugs when he got bugreports with attached patches for years. |
| 09:40.21 | polyphagia | i'd rather be running mostly free software and use wine for a couple games than use windows at all |
| 09:40.23 | kalin00b | i wasnt saying that was my reason and im on debian |
| 09:40.30 | kalin00b | i dont game at all anymore |
| 09:40.31 | token001 | can anyone help me with changing directory issues. the issue seems to be due to having a space in the name |
| 09:40.53 | armin | token001: don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 09:41.05 | token001 | i an not able to open external hard disc in terminal. it is mounted as listed in /media folder. when i type cd HD Movies, it says HD: No such file or directory. |
| 09:41.11 | CissWit | token001: cd "your directory" #Â this should work |
| 09:41.24 | kalin00b | i think its this /space |
| 09:41.30 | kalin00b | theres a / u put in there |
| 09:41.33 | CissWit | or cd HD\ Movies |
| 09:41.35 | kalin00b | to use something with a space |
| 09:41.39 | jaggzt | armin, that is.. mpg123 doesn't seem to have an option to list them, so I'm assuming it's a /dev/ path it accepts.. but what's mpg123 seeing when ran in X that it works, but not from a cron job? |
| 09:41.47 | AciD` | the thing is, I couldn't care less if lennart poettering decided to answer 'fuck you' to every single mail he received. The beauty of open-source if is some people starts to _really_ get upset about his (free) work, then they can fork it :) |
| 09:42.20 | CissWit | token001: you should also try to autocomplete by typing "cd HD" and then the tab key. Most of the time it is the simplest and quickest way |
| 09:42.25 | token001 | using \ too did not work. bash: cd: HD Movies: No such file or directory |
| 09:42.48 | token001 | using tab too did not work. |
| 09:42.55 | AciD` | polyphagia > windows 10 will help users transition to Linux. Have you seen the massive amount of privacy violation windows 8.1 (and 10) are bringing to the users ? even in daylight ?! |
| 09:43.53 | armin | AciD`: sure you can not give a fuck about patches for bugs being sent to you. also you could go all cocaine style and be like "fuck the world" while implementing user interfaces that don't make sense at all to anyone except you and tell people complaining they can go suck a horses **** for all you care and they should just fork. not sure if that's friendly, though. |
| 09:43.56 | kalin00b | yeah 95% of people will never realize their privacy is being violated |
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| 09:44.30 | kalin00b | my mom still doesnt know what a "linux" is |
| 09:44.35 | AciD` | armin > tdb, I always wondered why there is _still_ no fork |
| 09:44.46 | kalin00b | i said an operating system and she asked me so u still are windows though right |
| 09:44.55 | kalin00b | well first she asked what an operating system is |
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| 09:45.09 | kalin00b | shes not like an 80 year old shes young enough to know these things |
| 09:45.12 | AciD` | kalin00b > that's on you then. all my family is under linux :) |
| 09:45.40 | kalin00b | ive tried explaining it but she has a mac and would not survive something she had to use a command with |
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| 09:45.53 | kalin00b | or something that she could easily break |
| 09:46.00 | polyphagia | yeah my family are all using debian now |
| 09:46.08 | AciD` | my 86 yrs old grand-pa learned to SMS in 1 hours, and how to sent mail (from linux) in less than a day |
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| 09:46.18 | token001 | has anyone got any further steps to open the directory in terminal? |
| 09:46.23 | kalin00b | ive tried convincing my dad to use it at work and let me administer it for him :P |
| 09:46.33 | kalin00b | cause he wants to get rid of his windows |
| 09:46.39 | AciD` | kalin00b > of course you don't install gentoo for them |
| 09:46.43 | kalin00b | at home they use mac tho |
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| 09:46.54 | polyphagia | my dad loves linux |
| 09:46.58 | CissWit | token001: did you try cd "HD Movies" |
| 09:46.58 | rainfyre | our family is all on nix here too |
| 09:46.58 | AciD` | a commandline is the best way for 'normal people' to be afraid |
| 09:47.03 | kalin00b | i dont think she could even learn the easiest distro |
| 09:47.03 | rainfyre | even the grandma |
| 09:47.13 | token001 | yes, that too is not working. |
| 09:47.15 | kalin00b | took her 40 years to figure out how to use email on a mac |
| 09:47.16 | polyphagia | AciD`: that's disappointing though seeing as it's so powerful and makes things so easy :P |
| 09:47.19 | CissWit | token001: what is the error ? |
| 09:47.27 | armin | a commandline is a tool. use it or don't. knowledge is power. |
| 09:47.30 | token001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.31 | kalin00b | shes not old enough for age to be an excuse |
| 09:47.33 | polyphagia | i mean if you think about it it's just as arbitrary an abstraction as a GUI |
| 09:47.40 | kalin00b | i mean my dad worked on bringing dsl to the world |
| 09:47.45 | kalin00b | hes very high tech |
| 09:47.56 | CissWit | token001: did you use double quotes ? |
| 09:47.59 | kalin00b | she hates computers for some reason and wants nothing to do with them |
| 09:48.06 | AciD` | polyphagia > sure, but like most people don't know how their car works, they don't need to know how to use cmdline when they just want to browse the 'web'.. |
| 09:48.07 | polyphagia | and arguably the command line is much less to wrap your head around once you know the basics |
| 09:48.10 | kalin00b | im like a huge shame to her cause its the only interest i have |
| 09:48.16 | token001 | no, i typed only cd HD Movies |
| 09:48.21 | CissWit | token001: try with single quotes too : cd 'HD Movies' |
| 09:48.23 | kalin00b | she keeps asking why i dont do something helpful to society |
| 09:48.29 | polyphagia | yeah AciD` but we're talking about using a personal computer |
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| 09:48.41 | kalin00b | and says im wasting my life with a computer |
| 09:48.48 | armin | kalin00b: tell her you started doing drugs and unix 15 years ago and can't get rid off that habit. |
| 09:48.50 | CissWit | token001: like i said, try: cd "HD Movies" |
| 09:48.57 | AciD` | polyphagia > exactly : 1) power it up, 2) open firefox, 3) browse, 4) shut it down |
| 09:49.01 | polyphagia | i think it's fair for people using debian to have some basic knowledge of the command line. the wiki actually does a pretty good introduction |
| 09:49.06 | AciD` | see, you really need 3 buttons |
| 09:49.14 | token001 | root@debian:/mnt# cd 'HD Movies' bash: cd: HD Movies: No such file or directory |
| 09:49.19 | token001 | root@debian:/mnt# cd "HD Movies" bash: cd: HD Movies: No such file or directory |
| 09:49.26 | token001 | so still getting the same errors |
| 09:49.30 | AciD` | token001 > what does `ls -lh` returns ? |
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| 09:49.36 | armin | token001: then that directory obviously does not exist. |
| 09:50.14 | token001 | armin:its shows total 0. |
| 09:50.39 | polyphagia | yeah it's not there |
| 09:50.40 | armin | token001: then that directory obviuosly does not exist in /mnt |
| 09:50.56 | CissWit | token001: you are in the /mnt directory |
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| 09:51.02 | CissWit | you said earlier it was mount in /media |
| 09:51.10 | CissWit | you are obviously doing something wrong |
| 09:51.54 | armin | token001: linux can help you, but you shouldn't switch off your brain if your're after help... |
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| 09:52.51 | armin | also, if you're unable to maintain a proper mindstate to learn unix/linux, psychedelic drugs may help. |
| 09:52.56 | armin | bbl. |
| 09:53.16 | kalin00b | lol? |
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| 09:53.42 | kalin00b | can u focus on typing a command with all those pretty patterns and colors? |
| 09:53.55 | armin | kalin00b: err what? |
| 09:53.59 | kalin00b | ive tripped before |
| 09:54.01 | kalin00b | many times |
| 09:54.14 | kalin00b | i would never call it the proper mindstate to learn linux in :P |
| 09:54.28 | armin | kalin00b: i'm typing on shells while on LSD/AL-LAD/mushrooms/2-cb/MXE/methylone/MDMA a lot, yes. |
| 09:54.36 | armin | works for me. |
| 09:54.38 | token001 | ok, now i found it. it seems mnt is something of an old folder. tried in media folder ad it seems to be working when used " " |
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| 09:55.01 | CissWit | token001: it should work with \ before the space too |
| 09:55.08 | CissWit | token001: cd HD\ Movies |
| 09:55.13 | armin | kalin00b: and i'm talking about high doses indeed, 1-2 blotters or so. |
| 09:55.26 | armin | kalin00b: to be honest i've definitely written my best code on drugs. |
| 09:55.38 | kalin00b | i lose track of my own name when i trip |
| 09:55.44 | armin | i don't. |
| 09:55.50 | CissWit | and auto completion should work too, making it quicker and easier than thinking about adding the backslashes yourself |
| 09:55.50 | kalin00b | i wouldnt be able to focus on doing linux stuff for one second |
| 09:55.58 | armin | kalin00b: hm. interesting. |
| 09:56.08 | kalin00b | i definately wouldnt remember anything i did on it if i did do anything |
| 09:56.14 | kalin00b | so i would learn effectively nothing |
| 09:56.16 | armin | kalin00b: for me it's like the greatest brain-help that i ever got. |
| 09:56.38 | armin | kalin00b: also i can definitely say i would have given up without acid. |
| 09:56.41 | kalin00b | im naturally somewhat schizophrenic |
| 09:56.46 | kalin00b | when u add drugs like that |
| 09:56.51 | kalin00b | i literally lose my mind |
| 09:57.03 | kalin00b | and i only remember very few things the next day |
| 09:57.16 | kalin00b | so learning linux would never happen :P |
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| 09:57.46 | jelly-home | armin, kalin00b: when the channel's not idle and there are tech questions going on, please continue the chatter in #debian-offtopic, or avoid non-support for a while |
| 09:58.02 | kalin00b | sorry :P |
| 09:58.12 | jelly-home | np, now you know |
| 09:58.34 | kalin00b | it was just a very weird thing to hear would be helpful |
| 09:58.37 | kalin00b | ill stop |
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| 09:59.54 | EdePopede | with root being mounted via its uuid, the output of 'df' is at least suboptimal. there is no option to use the real device file instead of that symlink? alternatively, would it be a problem to mount root directly using /dev/sdXn? |
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| 10:00.49 | polyphagia | alright kalin00b i made my choice |
| 10:00.51 | polyphagia | >Page "WinAppEquivalents" was successfully deleted! |
| 10:00.57 | polyphagia | i replaced all the links w/ the other page |
| 10:01.10 | polyphagia | maybe someone can do a redirect |
| 10:01.53 | jelly-home | EdePopede: that's probably taken straight from /proc/mounts, grep ' / ' /proc/mounts |
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| 10:02.12 | xreal | jelly-home: I might have figured out the problem with console-common/console-data and debconfig. "debconfig-get-selection" (and the other tools) throw out everything as "select", but some scripts want a "string". The tools don't distinguish between "select" and "string". So the internal script of "kbd" tried to parse the string and got an empty one, since it was a selection in db. The db returned '' and me |
| 10:02.12 | xreal | ssed anything up! |
| 10:02.38 | kalin00b | good choice :) |
| 10:02.51 | kalin00b | the more things listed the better can appeal to anyone |
| 10:03.13 | jelly-home | EdePopede: workarounds: have a shorter device node by using LABEL= or LVM LV |
| 10:03.14 | CissWit | EdePopede: you can use the dev/blah device name if you want. The point of using the UUID is that it avoids weird issue when the system rearange the drives name |
| 10:03.18 | kalin00b | i really wish i could convince my dad to use linux when he replaces his computer |
| 10:03.23 | kalin00b | and pay me to administer it :P |
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| 10:03.38 | kalin00b | he says too hard to learn to use |
| 10:03.44 | CissWit | if you only have one hard drive and you don't plan to install a new one, you can change your fstab without issue if you like |
| 10:03.56 | kalin00b | ive tried saying ill help and its not gets nowhere |
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| 10:04.05 | jelly-home | xreal: I really don't know why are kbd and console-* still both around |
| 10:04.40 | xreal | jelly-home: haven been updated for jessie and they're pretty small in comparism to console-setup. |
| 10:05.05 | jelly-home | EdePopede: slighty less annoying: /dev/mapper/vg-root 27736252 24842960 2667196 91% / |
| 10:05.06 | EdePopede | jelly-home: seems so. only there are some more. btw, i have rootfs twice, as "rootfs" and $uuid-path. any reason for this? don't remember if it was the same on squeeze |
| 10:05.09 | xreal | jelly-home: Actually, that seem to be an unexpected behaviour by the debconfig-tools. |
| 10:05.11 | kalin00b | the games section should include steam as they do make a linux version :) |
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| 10:06.12 | jelly-home | EdePopede: it's normal to have it twice on wheezy, because of the way system is brought up and / mounted in initramfs. jessie "df" is patched not to show you the second one, I think |
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| 10:06.20 | EdePopede | CissWit: you say it, i even managed to install grub onto to xp-disk back then, though i selected the same diskname as for partitioning before :) |
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| 10:07.58 | EdePopede | jelly-home: i only have control in /dev/mapper |
| 10:08.13 | jelly-home | you're not using lvm |
| 10:08.20 | EdePopede | i don't |
| 10:08.37 | jelly-home | I am! :-) |
| 10:08.52 | EdePopede | and i bet you have far more diskspace then i do :( |
| 10:09.11 | armin | jelly-home: i'm actually talking about drugs a lot because i *do* do drugs, but i still am willing to answer every question that i have an answer to in this channel when i'm reading along the lines, so i hope a small off-topic-drift will not result in people disliking me in here. sorry for that. we're going to continue in #debian-offtopic when people tell us to do so, and i apologize for losing track |
| 10:09.12 | armin | sometimes. :) |
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| 10:14.06 | EdePopede | oh, it all started with me not getting 'du' to give me the output i wanted: disk usage of the toplevel directories on rootfs. that is, /home should be 4 or so. with -x it still has some gigs. did i miss an option with -xcs? |
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| 10:20.30 | jelly-home | EdePopede: what's the exact command you used? |
| 10:21.07 | EdePopede | du -xcs /* 2>/dev/null |
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| 10:24.34 | jelly-home | EdePopede: /* is expanded by your shell before execution, so the command line will actually look du -xcs ... /dev ... /proc /sys ... |
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| 10:24.59 | jelly-home | EdePopede: that kind of makes the -x useless |
| 10:25.54 | EdePopede | i thought using -x on say /home would report the usage of the directory itself (the entry on rootfs) and stay away from the mounted partition |
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| 10:28.08 | polyphagia | what were the fun built in windows games |
| 10:28.14 | polyphagia | trying to add to the windows equiv page |
| 10:28.18 | EdePopede | and i can't simply ignore directories since i may have /usr/share/doc or /var/www on another partition than the toplevel dir |
| 10:28.24 | polyphagia | minesweeper and solitaire is all that's there atm ll |
| 10:28.51 | polyphagia | anything else seem popular/appropriate enough to warrant adding? |
| 10:29.03 | Vroomfondel | jezzball |
| 10:29.06 | Vroomfondel | skifree |
| 10:29.23 | polyphagia | lol |
| 10:29.24 | Vroomfondel | (both have linux equivalents IIRC but I don't remember the names) |
| 10:29.28 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 10:29.40 | polyphagia | i remember skifree |
| 10:30.03 | polyphagia | & jezzball fuck |
| 10:30.07 | polyphagia | that game had so many names |
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| 10:30.21 | polyphagia | oh sorry notsupposed to swear here |
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| 10:33.28 | polyphagia | does windows still call their movie maker 'windows movie maker' |
| 10:33.31 | polyphagia | os it it something else now |
| 10:33.43 | polyphagia | nah it appears so |
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| 10:36.43 | jelly-home | polyphagia: swearing is allowed (in moderate amounts), but try to avoid partial thoughts and lines of 2-3 words in quick sequence (lay off the Enter key!) |
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| 10:41.20 | polyphagia | yeah sorry jelly-home i get a little too excited sometimes |
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| 10:47.52 | wiggl3 | Hello! Can someone help me manually perform `make install` for https://github.com/cryptodotis/irssi-otr? I need to install it into my user dir, but its `--prefix=/home/wiggle/irssi-otr` is broken so it still insists on installing into `/usr/`. |
| 10:47.56 | wiggl3 | I'm supposed to copy the `*.so` files into Irssi's `module/` directory, but I only see `.c`, `.h`, `.lo` and `.la` files. |
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| 10:48.01 | likecolacola | sorry for the connection problems, i will try to fix it then come back |
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| 10:50.06 | sunbeam | for some reason I cannot login SSH sometimes, while my server is fast and up |
| 10:50.17 | sunbeam | I mean, it just doesn't even prompt me (using putty) for login |
| 10:50.40 | wiggl3 | sunbeam: does it show up after 1-2 minutes? |
| 10:51.03 | sunbeam | nop |
| 10:51.14 | sunbeam | I can perfectly connect to it from other servers btw |
| 10:51.20 | Vroomfondel | sunbeam: sounds like a network problem. Can you ping the server at that time? |
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| 10:51.28 | sunbeam | yep |
| 10:51.35 | Tiger_ | hi. i've installed a minimal system from the 7.2.0 netinst cd, and i'm having trouble getting internet connection. dhclient runs automatically, and i can ping the router 192.168.1.1. on a windows pc in this lan, one must enter a user (telephone number) and password to get internet. can i somehow tell dhclient to use this? (i've skimmed the manpages, but i'm still clueless) |
| 10:51.46 | Vroomfondel | sunbeam: any routers or firewalls between you and it? |
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| 10:53.28 | sunbeam | Vroomfondel: maybe on the server |
| 10:53.30 | sunbeam | how can I find out? |
| 10:53.46 | sunbeam | I can connect now |
| 10:53.51 | sunbeam | but couldn't for 10 mins, always happens |
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| 10:54.58 | Vroomfondel | sunbeam: you can see the server's firewall with "iptables -L". Also, check dmesg and syslog. |
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| 11:02.09 | sunbeam | Vroomfondel: Thank you |
| 11:02.25 | sunbeam | Vroomfondel: another question, I have just added a new user using adduser and added it to AllowUsers in sshd_config |
| 11:02.29 | sunbeam | however I cannot login with it |
| 11:02.31 | sunbeam | Any idea how come? |
| 11:02.55 | Vroomfondel | did you restart sshd afterwards? |
| 11:03.30 | sunbeam | nop |
| 11:03.32 | sunbeam | should I |
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| 11:03.36 | zoku | shouldn't need to |
| 11:03.46 | zoku | oh sorry |
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| 11:03.52 | zoku | if you changed your sshd_config you'll have to |
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| 11:03.55 | sunbeam | ok |
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| 11:32.06 | xreal | How can I make apt-get show me the packages, which get pulled when installing a package |
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| 11:32.47 | xreal | argh, apt-cache ... sorry |
| 11:33.42 | Brigo | xreal, with apt-get install and you will see them |
| 11:33.56 | xreal | Brigo: I wanted a parse-able format, apt-cache is better. |
| 11:34.54 | Brigo | xreal, may be with depends |
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| 11:35.18 | Brigo | apt-cache depends <package> |
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| 11:35.51 | ariscop_ | is there an efi bootable netboot image? |
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| 11:37.00 | xreal | Brigo: gr8 thanks. |
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| 11:39.20 | xreal | jelly-home: That's the solution: http://pastie.org/pastes/9888443/text |
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| 11:41.08 | xreal | jelly-home: it's pretty ugly, but it's using valid commands. |
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| 11:45.06 | gxen | I have a problem with gcc. and I cant remove and reinstall it. here is the error log: http://pastebin.com/Z21F2v3j |
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| 11:45.47 | ariscop_ | booting it by hand using ubuntus signed grub image seems to work |
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| 11:47.57 | jelly-home | gxen: show the output of "sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc.postinst configure" in a pastebin please |
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| 11:50.22 | gxen | http://pastebin.com/qcM87Nfb |
| 11:51.00 | jelly-home | you ran a different command than asked |
| 11:51.17 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 11:51.34 | jelly-home | no, sorry, my fault, I gave you a slightly incorrect one |
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| 11:53.15 | jelly-home | gxen: echo "files:"; ls -ld /usr/bin/cc /usr/bin/gcc; echo "alternatives:"; update-alternatives --list cc |
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| 11:53.53 | gxen | http://pastebin.com/PMQHge7Q |
| 11:54.01 | brolg | Hi, are OTF fonts rendered differently from TTF fonts in Java applications? I installed source-code-pro and it comes with in both versions, which I copied to ~/.fonts and loaded with fc-cache -fv. The TTF version seems to have issues, I tried leaving only the OTF and it looked fine. Are there TTF specific settings, Xresources with Xft options did not help me? |
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| 11:54.36 | jelly-home | gxen: ok, what about ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc-4.7, does that exist? |
| 11:54.56 | gxen | ls: cannot access /usr/bin/gcc-4.7: No such file or directory |
| 11:55.04 | jelly-home | and there's your problem |
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| 11:55.32 | jelly-home | gxen: is package gcc-4.7 installed? |
| 11:55.50 | gxen | gcc --version |
| 11:56.08 | jelly-home | gxen: dpkg -l gcc-4.7 |
| 11:56.48 | gxen | http://pastebin.com/s8ynrvin |
| 11:57.15 | jelly-home | gxen: you'll have to reinstall that package, some of its files are missing for unknown reasons. |
| 11:57.32 | jelly-home | gxen: apt-get --reinstall install gcc-4.7 |
| 11:57.41 | gxen | just apt-get install gcc-4.7? |
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| 12:00.11 | gxen | jelly-home.... it worked... thank you soooo much!!! I was about to reinstall a production server... |
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| 12:00.49 | jelly-home | gxen: "debsums" might help you find out if other packaged files are missing |
| 12:01.03 | gxen | It may seem little to you, but this helped me soo much.. I have asked this question here several times, several people tried, but all thought it couldnt be fixed... |
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| 12:01.23 | gxen | sorry to sound like a record player on repeat, but thank you so much |
| 12:01.39 | jelly-home | you're welcome! That's what we're here for. |
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| 12:02.52 | gxen | i am a programmer, not a sysadmin... do you think you ever need help with a programming issue? i could give you my email in private and would be glad to help with whatever |
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| 12:04.36 | daemonkeeper | I need programmer :| |
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| 12:05.34 | gxen | daemonkeeper, its my turn to help someone, i guess thats how it works.. tell me which channel you need help in, and I will go there |
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| 12:05.59 | daemonkeeper | Nah. I need programmer to be hired for a full time job. |
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| 12:06.38 | gxen | talk to me private :) |
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| 12:13.28 | KamalKaur | Can you please make me understand what does this log mean: pastie.org/9888536 |
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| 12:18.09 | Walex | KamalKaur: there is nothing hidden or mysterious in that log. It means what it literally says: "Starting" and "Shutdown" of "mysqld". |
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| 12:37.12 | Lethalman | hi I've set timeout to 0 in grub, how do I show the menu at boot? |
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| 12:37.36 | Lethalman | can't find any clear documentation on this |
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| 12:54.51 | EdePopede | this time it is #debian, yes? ok, so... the UI mode of aptitude doesn't show the complete version string in the top line of a package tab. so for mediawiki instead of 1:1.19.20+dfsg-0+deb7u3 there is only 1:1.19.20+dfsg. seems to have space for 14 characters only. is this a config setting (format string) or hardcoded? |
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| 12:58.04 | Vroomfondel | EdePopede: there's a format string for lines in the package list, in the Preferences menu |
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| 12:58.14 | Vroomfondel | I've never modified it myself but I presume that's the first place to start |
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| 13:12.15 | jeddi | hello. i've upgraded my laptop to jessie and i'm starting to work out systemd. i've got a problem where kdm restarts every minute (pretty much), whether i've logged into KDE or not. i thought it might be the missing 'faces' dir problem, but i've fixed that with genkdmconf. still restarting. how do i start to troubleshoot such a weird bug? |
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| 13:13.32 | jeddi | 'kdm.service entered failed state'. i ask here first primarily because this is a vanilla jessie upgrade / install, and I suspect it's previously covered territory. |
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| 13:16.19 | mjt | jeddi: you may want to ask in #debian-next; systemd is just a messenger here, kdm is failing for some reason. I dunno if it performs some logging. journalctl is the systemd way to show logs. |
| 13:17.20 | jeddi | mjt: thanks - i'm reading up on journalctl now - ~/.xsession-errors is my usual place, of course, along with /var/log/Xorg.log ... but no insights on either front. wonderful learning experience. :) |
| 13:17.44 | jeddi | it runs for ~60s each time, though, which suggests a weird time-out issue, rather than outright failure state. |
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| 13:18.53 | daemonkeeper | journalctl is only used if you use that as syslog exclusively. You can, and most likely have, still a regular rsyslog-or-whatever installed, and is thus logging as people are used to. |
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| 13:20.30 | jeddi | daemonkeeper: i have Xorg.0.log - but it shows nothing other than startup (X) info. i've identified a ~90s restart cycle - regardless of whether i've logged into kde or not - of kdm. very strange. |
| 13:20.46 | mjt | that's kdm prob not Xorg prob |
| 13:20.58 | jeddi | mjt: i believe you're right. |
| 13:21.14 | mjt | I mean, you want logging from kdm not Xorg |
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| 13:21.25 | jeddi | daemon.log: 'Failed to start KDE Display Manager.' // Dependency failed for X11 Display Manager. // Unit kdm.service entered failed state. |
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| 13:21.50 | daemonkeeper | That's what you know already. |
| 13:22.01 | jeddi | kdm.log perversely only shows one EE line: 719 (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. |
| 13:22.12 | jeddi | and then kdm log restarts (x.org xserver ... startup stanza |
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| 13:22.58 | mjt | journalctl should have better info, logged from systemd PoV, no? |
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| 13:23.20 | jeddi | mjt: yup - still trying to get my head around how to entice journalctl into revealing everything. |
| 13:23.37 | mjt | just `journalctl' as root should do |
| 13:23.40 | jeddi | without params it doesn't reveal anything beyond what i've just mentioned. |
| 13:23.42 | daemonkeeper | journald is a better logger than syslog as it contains more meta information, and is technically superior to traditional logs, but it knows just as much as other logger. |
| 13:23.52 | jeddi | 'failed to starrt' and 'dependency failed'. |
| 13:24.00 | jeddi | without specifying the dependency. |
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| 13:24.54 | jeddi | it's the 90s cycling that worries me .. that's a timeout, not a failure. |
| 13:25.12 | jeddi | (well, in my humble experiences, anything that long, and that regular, is a timeout, rather than a failure outright) |
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| 13:27.35 | jeddi | trying one of those 'just in case' things - i'd fiddled with inittab a while back to block out getty's on physical tty's 5 and 6, as i like X to live on 5 (alt-f5), rather than 7. rebooting to confirm if that makes any difference. i really hope not. |
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| 13:29.31 | jeddi | this is a brand new install on a funky dell high-dpi exclusively SSD box that takes ~7 seconds to get from asking for / cryptfs password to the KDM login ... but doing ctrl-alt-f2 takes 3s, and another 3s to start a getty on ctrl-alt-f3, etc ... so there's obviously still a few streamlining things to be done in there. |
| 13:29.37 | daemonkeeper | You'd be better off to start kdm manually rather than via service then you'd be likely getting better output. Moreover, journald, if you use, can log stdout/stderr. |
| 13:29.59 | jeddi | daemonkeeper: okay ... happy to startx / kdm start from cli as local user next. |
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| 13:30.18 | daemonkeeper | kdm is not started as user, but as root. |
| 13:30.20 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... can i install debian 7 32 bit on a 384 mb ram machine ? |
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| 13:30.29 | jeddi | daemonkeeper: just waiting 90s now to see if it restarts after this last reboot. |
| 13:30.30 | daemonkeeper | As user you can only start your KDE session directly. |
| 13:30.38 | jeddi | daemonkeeper: sorry, yes, you're right - kdm is started as root, of course. |
| 13:31.04 | daemonkeeper | cobra-the-joker: You can. Does not mean you could do a lot of work on it. |
| 13:31.16 | jeddi | cobra-the-joker: raspberry pi? or my old 386? |
| 13:31.35 | cobra-the-joker | jeddi: my old 386 |
| 13:32.16 | cobra-the-joker | daemonkeeper: install maybe nginix on it and such |
| 13:32.18 | jeddi | cobra-the-joker: USD$35 gets you a pi with 1024MB RAM. is it worth the pain? (I appreciate this isn't an entirely useful answer, but, as daemonkeeper alludes, it won't be a particularly satisfying experience) |
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| 13:35.15 | daemonkeeper | These days you can barely even open a browser without running out of memory if you have less than 1G. |
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| 13:37.22 | cobra-the-joker | daemonkeeper: just s cmd |
| 13:37.29 | SynrG | Yep. I'll attest to that. On a 2G system with chromium and icedove and a moderate amount of extensions, I really have to watch how many things are open at once or tabs on the browser start dying. |
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| 13:38.20 | jeddi | daemonkeeper: stopping kdm (cheating via /etc/init.d/kdm stop - but i think that's functionally the same as service stop and also systemctl stop) ... and then running it manually as root with just 'kdm' ... means that kdm is still sitting there, at the login prompt, 3 minutes later. no errors on the (text) console. |
| 13:38.25 | jeddi | that's a bit frustrating. |
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| 13:39.10 | jeddi | when i upgraded my desktop to 32gb some years back various nerdy friends accused me of over-spec'ing ... they aren't laughing now. mind, they weren't laughing then, either, so perhaps not very conclusive. |
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| 13:39.57 | jeddi | i guess in the short term, i can just launch kdm manually. |
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| 13:41.49 | daemonkeeper | jeddi: Then you may need to find out what triggers a kill, and if it's systemd why it does. |
| 13:42.02 | jeddi | daemonkeeper: indeed .. a fun project for the weekend. :) |
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| 13:42.18 | jeddi | sadly i'm going to spend the next four days away from network connectivity of any sort. mixed blessings there. |
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| 13:45.41 | p-trust | hey there, i have installed isc-dhcp-server on debian and configured it, works fine. But when I unplug and replug the ethernet cable of the client machine , dhcpd configuration interferes with Dhclient causing getting erroneous IP address on eth0 |
| 13:46.08 | p-trust | is there a way to disable dhclient on eth0 ? |
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| 13:51.38 | jelly-home | p-trust: set up a static address in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 instead of dhcp |
| 13:52.11 | p-trust | jelly-home, it is set up already |
| 13:52.18 | p-trust | dhclient starts anyway |
| 13:52.23 | jelly-home | that's weird |
| 13:52.34 | p-trust | yea, that's why i am asking |
| 13:52.49 | jelly-home | p-trust: is this also a workstation system with GUI and NetworkManager? |
| 13:53.22 | p-trust | no, only console, it's netinst |
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| 13:54.25 | p-trust | I also haven't configured dhclient in any way, it's default |
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| 13:57.05 | zeeble | Isn't dhclient called via the ifupdown script? |
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| 13:58.06 | p-trust | well, I did `grep -ir 'dhclient' /etc/network/` it shows nothing |
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| 14:09.51 | AtomicBool | #Node.js |
| 14:09.58 | jeddi | AtomicBool: not quite. |
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| 14:10.41 | AtomicBool | I just put it so i can navigate to the chhat easily |
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| 14:14.42 | megaTherion | Hi, is Iceweasel licensed under GPLv3? |
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| 14:17.12 | jaggzt | I upgraded to jessie.. now my kmail shows blank messages on the right.. on the left it shows my folders seemingly-properly |
| 14:18.25 | jaggzt | but on the right it shows the welcome screen thing.. (not actually 'blank'.. excuse me) |
| 14:18.31 | jaggzt | #debian-next is invite only |
| 14:18.50 | jaggzt | oh.. oftc.. nevermind |
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| 14:26.52 | jelly-home | megaTherion: nope, MPL 2.0 mostly http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_31.4.0esr-1_copyright |
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| 14:27.28 | megaTherion | does MPL 2 include available source code? |
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| 14:27.50 | pipl | :) |
| 14:28.07 | robalni | megaTherion: yes |
| 14:29.06 | megaTherion | robalni: thx |
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| 14:32.34 | leafwiz_ | Hello, A friend of mine has installed wheese, but he has b0rked something in the install. Now when he does apt-get install aptitude, he apt complains about unmet dependencies. |
| 14:32.48 | leafwiz_ | How to we tell apt to autofollow dependencies |
| 14:32.56 | leafwiz_ | ? |
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| 14:33.23 | ShorTie | mornin`, try to use debootstrap and getting ch and ol: command not found, anybody know what package they are in ?? |
| 14:33.25 | leafwiz_ | vi have put in contrib, and non-free, and apt-get update has run. |
| 14:33.37 | mtn | leafwiz_: are at the machine in question? |
| 14:33.58 | leafwiz_ | mtn: I can see the terminal through a webcam.. :P |
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| 14:34.35 | mtn | leafwiz_: that is going to be hard to troubleshoot. best to be on the machine in question. either you or the user, who can also come to this channel. |
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| 14:35.02 | leafwiz_ | mtn: okay. |
| 14:35.08 | leafwiz_ | :) |
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| 14:45.20 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: we need all this data: |
| 14:45.23 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 14:45.23 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:46.31 | jelly-home | so that's outputs of three separate commands |
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| 14:48.36 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: yeah, we will try upload that. |
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| 14:53.09 | jelly-home | stuff like that usually comes from mixing up different releases (or worse, different distros) |
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| 15:07.13 | xreal | jelly-home: here's my round-up. Could you have a look please? http://paste.debian.net/144103 |
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| 15:10.59 | jelly-home | xreal: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see |
| 15:11.14 | xreal | jelly-home: shall I add more text to the pastie? |
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| 15:11.34 | jelly-home | xreal: haha, why? |
| 15:11.54 | colo-work | what's the most painless way to spin up Debian guest VMs using libvirt (host is Debian jessie)? is there something that uses deboostrap within libvirt's storage backends? |
| 15:12.02 | jelly-home | xreal: I mean, do you have a question? |
| 15:12.15 | xreal | jelly-home: Did you forget the conversation we had yesterday? :D |
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| 15:19.38 | jelly-home | xreal: I always forget. |
| 15:19.42 | teraflops | heh |
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| 15:21.33 | xreal | jelly-home: Okay, let me write a short introduction. |
| 15:22.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: Really, better that way .. |
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| 15:22.43 | jelly-home | xreal: I mean, I'm just a user like you. Good you found a workaround and all that, but I'm not sure what other help I might offer at this point |
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| 15:24.14 | xreal | I'm playing around with debconf to pre-configure packages for unattended installation in a chroot. debconf seems to work better than editing/copying configuration files, since dpkg-reconfigure scripts often don't parse them. Right now, console-setup (the "new" one) and console-data (pretty old, but enough), have problems with reading from debconf-DB. After writing a fix and patch for console-setup, I've fo |
| 15:24.14 | xreal | und a nasty problem with console-data. It writes out "select", but can read "string" only. This seems to be a bug in the perl-based dpkg-reconfigure-script. |
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| 15:24.23 | xreal | Okay, not "that" short, but complete. |
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| 15:30.10 | xreal | jelly-home: did this recover the formatted partition in your brain? :D |
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| 15:30.51 | jelly-home | ?FILE NOT FOUND ERROR |
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| 15:37.10 | NiLon | so I have program that I need to debug by causing different states to network, but I don't wish to cut off connection from everything to do that |
| 15:37.30 | NiLon | so what would be simple way to cause "problems" to it? |
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| 15:38.38 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
| 15:38.58 | HD|Laptop | using wget -r http://webfiles.icebreak.org/webfiles/CBuilderCD/v4/Runimage/Cbuilder4/Source/RTL/, I have the problem that it tries to download the files from the upper-level directories |
| 15:39.02 | HD|Laptop | how do I prevent this? |
| 15:39.06 | Iridos | xreal, not too sure what this is about, but... if you think it's (mainly) a bug, then write a bug report on the package (possibly debconf) ... if you think it's not really a bug, just a bit unintuitive, but something others might possibly like to do and that would be useful to them, we have wiki.debian.org |
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| 15:39.54 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: Hey, this should be output from the listed commands: http://paste.debian.net/144111 |
| 15:40.33 | Iridos | HD|Laptop, wget --help |grep parent |
| 15:40.47 | Iridos | ... doesn't work? |
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| 15:41.33 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: user is missing the main repo from their /etc/apt/sources.list, only has wheezy-updates and security |
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| 15:42.45 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free <-- add a line like that to /etc/apt/sources.list, run "apt-get update", run "apt-get -f install" and see if apt can fix things up then |
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| 15:43.47 | jelly-home | ,v synergy |
| 15:43.48 | judd | Package: synergy on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-5; wheezy: 1.3.8-2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.16-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.16-1; sid: 1.4.16-1 |
| 15:44.18 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: oki. |
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| 15:45.47 | xreal | Iridos: I've filed a similiar bugs about 1-2 weeks ago, nobody cared up to now. |
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| 15:52.42 | DanteLA | What is the best way to upgrade to more recent kernel (I need at least 3.6) on wheezy? |
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| 15:52.43 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: we tried that now, same result. Unmet, dep. But he also tried to manually install a dpkg file. |
| 15:52.59 | leafwiz_ | in the beginning, which I think took down the system. |
| 15:54.12 | leafwiz_ | "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" \n synergy : Depends : libqt ..... |
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| 15:54.33 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: repost the outputs of "apt-get install openssh-server", "apt-get policy openssh-server synergy libqtcore4", and "apt-cache policy", then |
| 15:55.02 | DanteLA | nm. I think debian backports has 3.16 which is more recent than 3.2 |
| 15:55.11 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: and for good measure, output of "apt-get update" if you can |
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| 16:00.03 | eurabilis | Hey there I have a question how can i run testing packages on a stable system? ex, the latest kde? |
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| 16:00.16 | jelly-home | eurabilis: short answer: you can't |
| 16:00.22 | bazhang | it wont be stable |
| 16:00.36 | jelly-home | it won't be supported by anyone |
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| 16:01.18 | eurabilis | im just asking because in another distribution I can mix them. I cant do that with debian because I like debian more. |
| 16:01.48 | jelly-home | eurabilis: it's not feasible in debian |
| 16:01.57 | eurabilis | ok thanks |
| 16:02.08 | glogic | eurabilis: The result would be maximum breakage. |
| 16:02.16 | jelly-home | you need stuff from testing, run testing, or run "jessie" |
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| 16:02.57 | jelly-home | (then keep using "jessie" when it becomes "debian 8", hopefully in a couple months) |
| 16:03.00 | eurabilis | ok i just wanted a desktop but a newer kde then the one in stable |
| 16:03.28 | eurabilis | great ill do that. thanks guys |
| 16:03.31 | jelly-home | eh, I have kde on stable at work, kde on jessie at home, and there's not much of a difference |
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| 16:06.34 | eurabilis | i didnt figure there would be that much of a difference. But for example even something as small as the program guake. I like the newer one more then stable. in "somedisthere" i could mix that in I just wanted to understand if i could do that with debian. because i searched and didnt find an answer |
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| 16:07.08 | eurabilis | thanks for your help ill try jessie out. |
| 16:07.19 | verblendet | hi, on my laptop i use debian 8.0 (etc/debian_version) and now i mentioned that some script/package... whatever, changed /usr and /usr/lib to uid 501, which is sad |
| 16:07.32 | verblendet | is there a known bug? or package that does this silly things? |
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| 16:08.54 | verblendet | ah, i found something.... seems to be a flash installer |
| 16:09.06 | verblendet | wow, thats really bullshit |
| 16:09.26 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: Oki, the second command did not give an output, http://paste.debian.net/144117 |
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| 16:12.18 | leafwiz_ | but the other two did. |
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| 16:19.21 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: "apt-get policy openssh-server synergy libqtcore4" should have given some output, try again |
| 16:19.57 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: you can try doing "apt-get -f install" anyway |
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| 16:21.37 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: apt-cache policy openssh-server gives output, apt-get policy gives E: Invalid operation policy |
| 16:21.50 | jelly-home | sorry, that was a typo |
| 16:22.05 | jelly-home | "apt-cache policy openssh-server synergy libqtcore4" |
| 16:22.05 | leafwiz_ | oki 2 sek we will upload the other. |
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| 16:25.23 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: output off all the commands: http://paste.debian.net/144121 |
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| 16:27.48 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: first purge the synergy package that you got from who knows where. Then run "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:28.00 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: dpkg -P synergy |
| 16:28.52 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: yeah, that stupid synergy package. We will stake it. |
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| 16:29.25 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: "apt-cache policy ..." shows the installed versions and the available versions. You can see there 1.6.2 of synergy can't be found in any repo, and it also wants weird dependencies |
| 16:29.52 | leafwiz_ | jelly-home: yeah, I wondred about those.. |
| 16:31.01 | leafwiz_ | Wohoo! success! |
| 16:31.02 | leafwiz_ | :P |
| 16:32.09 | leafwiz_ | Thank you jelly-home |
| 16:33.19 | jelly-home | ,v synergy |
| 16:33.21 | judd | Package: synergy on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-5; wheezy: 1.3.8-2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.16-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.16-1; sid: 1.4.16-1 |
| 16:33.40 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: maybe that 1.4.16 version from wheezy-backports would be enough for whatever you're trying to do |
| 16:33.50 | jelly-home | if it works |
| 16:34.07 | jelly-home | leafwiz_: read /msg dpkg wheezy-backports |
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| 16:39.52 | circ-user-uEUJD | I'm parsing my auth.log for I can get a list of users with Failed log on attempts "sudo cat auth.log | grep Fail | cut -f10 -d' '", I got the list down to just the users but I do not want to see failed instances for root, how could I accomplish this? |
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| 16:44.28 | Brigo | circ-user-uEUJD, grep -v root? |
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| 16:48.16 | circ-user-uEUJD | Thank Brigo that worked |
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| 16:48.31 | Brigo | circ-user-uEUJD, np :) |
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| 16:52.51 | [TheFlash] | hi, this question is going to sound crazy, but is there any way to disable dependency management in APT? |
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| 16:53.27 | [TheFlash] | as in, to tell it to always call dpkg with --force-deps |
| 16:53.32 | petn-randall | [TheFlash]: Sounds like an XY problem to me, what do you want to do? |
| 16:53.54 | [TheFlash] | i want to remove the kernel and use my own compiled kernel, without make-kpkg |
| 16:54.10 | [TheFlash] | so i don't want the system to track the kernel at all |
| 16:54.27 | [TheFlash] | as far as APT is concerned there is no kernel |
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| 16:57.41 | [TheFlash] | maybe i should use slackware and convert debian packages to slackware packages instead |
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| 17:00.57 | WangDang_ | I think something is wrong with my memory. I thought I used to use the flags -d for "delimiter" and -f for "field to sort on" with sort. ie,. for a csv file "sort -d\",\" -f5 <filename>" to sort on the 5th field. That didn't work.."man sort" shows a completely different meaning for the -d and -f flags. Am I thinking of some other command or did sort get changed? |
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| 17:01.29 | jelly-home | [TheFlash]: kernel is pretty removed from other userspace, what is stopping you from removing any/all installed kernel packages? |
| 17:01.36 | dondelelcaro | WangDang_: you're thinking of the options to cut |
| 17:02.26 | dondelelcaro | WangDang_: which are (for insanity and historical reasons) are totally distinct from the options to sort |
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| 17:02.48 | jelly-home | [TheFlash]: did you try it already, or are asking in advance? It's been possible to use custom, unpackaged kernels on Debian since... well, since always I guess |
| 17:03.03 | [TheFlash] | jelly-home: i asked in advance |
| 17:03.11 | WangDang_ | Ah yes, thanks dondelelcaro. So I'm only partially mad :) |
| 17:03.22 | [TheFlash] | jelly-home: i didn't realize no userspace components depend on the kernel |
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| 17:05.31 | [TheFlash] | i have another question, why do debian updates overwrite my changes to /etc/acpi scripts? |
| 17:05.33 | jelly-home | [TheFlash]: some closely kernel-related stuff might have issues |
| 17:06.06 | [TheFlash] | am i supposed to put them somewhere else? i want to run a specific program i wrote when the laptop's lid is opened |
| 17:06.09 | jelly-home | for obvious reasons you need iptables support in kernel to use specific iptables modules, etc |
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| 17:08.15 | jelly-home | if you messed with package-provided files, updates should ask you what to do at upgrade time |
| 17:08.52 | [TheFlash] | but i did, and it didn't |
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| 17:09.18 | jelly-home | [TheFlash]: huh, what does dpkg -S /path/to/edited-file say? |
| 17:09.40 | jelly-home | (which package does the file belong to) |
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| 17:11.05 | [TheFlash] | "acpi-support" |
| 17:11.16 | [TheFlash] | (/etc/acpi/lid.sh) |
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| 17:12.42 | laidback_01 | hey, I'm setting up (well, trying to anyway) a hylafax server. now the modem works, and if I have the right perms on /dev/ttyS0, it'll receive faxes. I can send OK too. But most of the time the perms get changed back to crw------- uucp dialout. Now, I'd like have them be 660 or 777 or 666, whatever. I think this is a udev thing, and while google is turning up just TONS of results, I'm having a hard time finding the needle in that ha |
| 17:12.42 | laidback_01 | ystack. anyone have a bit of time to point me in the right dir? |
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| 17:15.04 | jelly-home | /var/lib/dpkg/info/acpi-support.conffiles:/etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 17:15.24 | Brigo | laidback_01, try to find a line with /dev/ttyS0 in udev configuration |
| 17:15.28 | jelly-home | [TheFlash]: you definitely should have gotten asked about custom changes being present there. |
| 17:16.03 | jelly-home | that's basic dpkg functionality, something else is wrong if you weren't |
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| 17:24.39 | jelly-home | [TheFlash]: but you're supposed to monotonically increase version number on upgrades. I'm not sure what happens when you try to install or reinstall same (or $DEITY forbid, lower) version |
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| 17:28.22 | Ankabout | Hi, I'm trying to run a "simple" bash script (that should run from cron eventually) to loop through some files |
| 17:28.45 | Ankabout | It was working fine until I had file names with spaces in them, so I clearly used the wrong technique. So I was hoping someone could help me. |
| 17:29.03 | Ankabout | I basically need to loop through *.jpg and do something in the loop. that's it |
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| 17:33.30 | petemc | Ankabout: while read ; do foo "$REPLY" ; done - should handle spaces |
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| 17:35.36 | toneco3159 | hello |
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| 17:36.42 | toneco3159 | hello i install irssi but can't see message |
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| 17:37.41 | [TheFlash] | jelly-home: i can't remember what happened, i guess i will be more careful when the next update to acpi-support arrives |
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| 17:39.09 | lolo | hello |
| 17:39.20 | Brigo | Ankabout, you have to add " somehow, you better ask in #bash channel |
| 17:40.07 | toneco3159 | hey nobody inside |
| 17:40.29 | Ankabout | Brigo: petemc Thanks! |
| 17:41.18 | Brigo | Ankabout, petemc? :) |
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| 17:41.49 | Ankabout | He answered me too |
| 17:41.49 | toneco3159 | where to find irssi explanation |
| 17:42.02 | toneco3159 | you rightr |
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| 17:42.29 | toneco3159 | hello paranoids |
| 17:42.29 | petn-randall | toneco3159: Can you elaborate what your problem with irssi is? It's not clear to me. |
| 17:42.32 | bazhang | #irssi |
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| 17:43.56 | toneco3159 | thanks petn-randal for answering i'm basic user and test irssi but can't niklist in irssi |
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| 17:44.28 | bazhang | toneco3159, /join #irssi |
| 17:44.40 | jhutchins | toneco3159: Also http://irssi.org/documentation |
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| 17:45.55 | toneco3159 | ok thanks bazhang jhutchins ok /join #irssi |
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| 17:46.50 | wicaksono | does anyone know how to make chrome/netbeans use pcf fonts? |
| 17:47.13 | jtreminio | Morning all. I am attempting to pin Apache 2.4 into Wheezy. I note you can't do wildcard package names (apache2*) - but is there another way to pin apache2 and grab all its dependencies from testing without typing out all possible dependencies in the conf file? |
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| 17:48.45 | dondelelcaro | jtreminio: the list of dependencies is pretty big, actually |
| 17:49.10 | dondelelcaro | jtreminio: in fact, it's so large, that you'll basically end up running jessie. Part of the reason that apache 2.4 isn't backported to wheezy is that list of dependencies |
| 17:49.32 | jtreminio | cries |
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| 17:50.23 | dondelelcaro | jtreminio: if you really need 2.4, I'd strongly suggest just upgrading to jessie. We're pretty close to release. Alternatively, you can do the work of doing the backport, which will be time consuming, but possible. |
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| 17:51.14 | jtreminio | dondelelcaro: well so far the only repo I've found for 2.4 is http://www.d7031.de/debian |
| 17:51.24 | jtreminio | but had been hoping to use a less random source... |
| 17:53.43 | dondelelcaro | jtreminio: yeah, that doesn't look particularly good to me |
| 17:53.52 | dondelelcaro | jtreminio: you can backport it yourself... it'll just be complicated |
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| 17:55.05 | jtreminio | dondelelcaro: I honestly wouldn't know where to start, but if you can point me in the right direction I may do just that |
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| 17:55.32 | jtreminio | I'm guessing learning how to backport a release from testing may also help me in providing a repo for some beta software that requires compiling? |
| 17:56.02 | jtreminio | For example, php7 is currently in beta and I'd love to offer a repo for it for my personal projects |
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| 18:03.31 | dondelelcaro | jtreminio: /msg dpkg ssb; has the starting information about it |
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| 18:06.22 | viruser | Hey guys, i wanna install mumble client, but apt-get tries to pull pulseaudio with it.. I know for a fact that mumble doesn't need pulseaudio to function, is there anyway to bypass this dependency check? |
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| 18:07.13 | dondelelcaro | viruser: it depends on libpulse0, but it doesn't actually depend on pulseaudio, as near as I can tell. |
| 18:08.05 | dondelelcaro | (it does eventually suggest pulseaudio, but that's not a requirement) |
| 18:08.08 | Iridos | ... and libpulse0 only 'Suggests' pulseaudio |
| 18:08.13 | viruser | dondelelcaro, Well when i do sudo apt-get install mumble, i get pulseaudio as one of the new packages to be installed |
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| 18:09.44 | dondelelcaro | viruser: aptitude why pulseaudio; may tell you why. |
| 18:10.47 | viruser | i mplayer Depends libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) // i A libpulse0 Suggests pulseaudio |
| 18:11.18 | Iridos | well... |
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| 18:12.27 | viruser | I should install mumble for it to tell me which package pulls pulseaudio? Because libpulse0 only suggests it. |
| 18:12.42 | viruser | here is a paste http://paste.debian.net/144134/ |
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| 18:32.12 | Iridos | viruser, it's coming in via speech-dispatcher |
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| 18:32.38 | Iridos | dpkg, tell viruser about apt-recommends |
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| 18:32.50 | Iridos | it's a recommend... and so is pulse for speech-dispatcher |
| 18:33.16 | viruser | Iridos, Great info. thanks for help |
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| 18:35.20 | Katharsis | do you know any WYSIWYG editor which has LaTeX support and it's easy to use with Django (Reportlab)? |
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| 18:50.56 | xreal | How can I change the subject of a debian bug report ? |
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| 18:52.25 | xreal | ah, retitle |
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| 19:01.26 | Nindustries | Hi, I setup webdav on my apache2 on my debian VPS. However, I can use the webdav from the browser without any authentication. Suggestions? http://paste.debian.net/144144/ |
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| 19:01.42 | Nindustries | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.55 | Nindustries | Woops, fixed it. Should be Location |
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| 19:08.24 | xreal | New bugreport, there you go: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777162 |
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| 19:23.22 | Halcyforn | hello what edition live debian is good for old netbook ( this thing what have 10 inch screen) gnome kde lxde stndard or xfce? |
| 19:24.04 | jelly-home | Halcyforn: pick lxde or xfce |
| 19:24.22 | fluoboa | or openbox with fbpanel :) |
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| 19:24.52 | Halcyforn | hmm i need change this old shit xp with tons of viruses |
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| 19:25.31 | Halcyforn | orginal user think mcafee is best antywirus |
| 19:26.00 | gi | hello there, can anyone help me? wireless doesnt work (debian wheezy amd64/gnome, dell studio notebook amd64, bcm4312) already google it and nothing yet |
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| 19:26.54 | Halcyforn | wirless what wirles card you have |
| 19:27.01 | Halcyforn | atheros broad com |
| 19:27.04 | Halcyforn | intel |
| 19:27.39 | gi | broadcom bcm4312 |
| 19:28.09 | Halcyforn | http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/796 |
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| 19:30.23 | gi | Halcyforn , wired connection not working too, cant download anything, but it was working yesterday...i made a mess with something.. |
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| 19:31.17 | Halcyforn | nice i have the same problem on wired and name fucking cable :D |
| 19:31.18 | fluoboa | gi: is there any important data on the laptop? can't you just start over? |
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| 19:33.16 | gi | fluoboa man, linux has to be that way? i dont think so... it was everything ok... i just made something wrong.. nothing special..it has to be a simple problem |
| 19:33.57 | Halcyforn | you have bad driver nothing more you must change. |
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| 19:34.47 | Halcyforn | http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php here you have good driver from broadcom site |
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| 19:36.15 | gi | i've already downloaded and installed all drivers...everything was working 100%...i did something with airmon-ng airodump-ng, was trying to put on monitor mode...but i dont understand that...it was a mistake |
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| 19:36.38 | fluoboa | gi: no it's not that way, I just tought it was easier for you |
| 19:37.09 | fluoboa | gi: do you get any errormessage with dmesg |
| 19:37.15 | gi | fluoboa yep..thanks for the advice |
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| 19:38.47 | gi | fluoboa no...everything seems to be ok with dmesg |
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| 19:41.03 | fluoboa | gi: did you execute "airmon-ng start" after reboot? |
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| 19:42.42 | gi | yes |
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| 19:43.34 | gi | fluoboa Found 2 processes that could cause trouble / pid 2741 avahi-daemon / pid 2742 avahi-daemon |
| 19:44.02 | fluoboa | gi: then please do "airmon-ng stop", because in monitor mode your wifi card will not work |
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| 19:45.04 | gi | fluoboa usage: airmon-ng <start stop check><interface> [channek or frequency] |
| 19:45.24 | fluoboa | gi: airmon-ng stop wlan0 |
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| 19:46.02 | fluoboa | gi: for testing you can stop avahi with /etc/init.d/avahi stop |
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| 19:46.05 | gi | fluoboa you are trying to stop a device that ins´t in monitor mode.. |
| 19:46.25 | fluoboa | some lines above I asked you if you did start it ;) |
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| 19:47.18 | gi | fluoboa but i did... but it isnt on monitor mode...cant understand] |
| 19:47.37 | fluoboa | what does iwconfig show? |
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| 19:48.43 | gi | fluoboa lo no wireless extensions / wlan0 "a lot of text" / eth0 no wireless extensions |
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| 19:49.33 | fluoboa | and "ifconfig wlan0" |
| 19:49.33 | frikinz | Hi there! Is there a small package for checking availabilty of a remote service? Would like to check from another host if my smtp is reachable for example |
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| 19:49.55 | fluoboa | frikinz: telnet remote.host.com 25 |
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| 19:51.02 | frikinz | fluoboa: I'd like something bit more elaborated that also sends me a report.. |
| 19:51.27 | gi | fluoboa wla0 Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr "macaddress" ... a lot of things..but nothing weird ( im working with desktop/windows7...can paste terminal stuff here) |
| 19:51.55 | gi | fluoboa cant paste in here |
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| 19:52.35 | fluoboa | gi: I think you are not getting an IP address or the encryption fails but I don't think so |
| 19:52.51 | fluoboa | gi: do you have ddclient installed? |
| 19:53.15 | gi | fluoboa dont know..how can i know it? |
| 19:54.07 | fluoboa | gi: just type ddclient in a console |
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| 19:54.30 | gi | fluoboa no..not installed |
| 19:55.16 | fluoboa | gi: sorry wrong tool... it's dhclient |
| 19:56.03 | fluoboa | gi: should be executed as root for testing |
| 19:56.07 | ozzloy | i'm getting a hum on my bluetooth headset using debian jessie. i've already read through https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser i have another pair that doesn't hum. how do i troubleshoot this? |
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| 19:56.29 | ozzloy | "another pair" == "another bluetooth headset" |
| 19:56.29 | gi | fluoboa yes..i run it...but nothing happens |
| 19:56.42 | frikinz | dhclient wlan0 |
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| 19:58.31 | gi | fluoboa frikinz i've run it and it has a delay of 20s and nothing happened.. |
| 19:58.43 | frikinz | Another question then. Is there something in stable that does something like glances (monitor system in CLI) |
| 19:58.50 | polyphagia | htop |
| 19:59.00 | polyphagia | ? |
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| 19:59.12 | gi | frikinz i dont think so |
| 19:59.15 | frikinz | yes I like this one polyphagia but glances is much better |
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| 19:59.28 | polyphagia | what does glances provide frikinz |
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| 19:59.57 | frikinz | polyphagia: http://blog.nicolargo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/glances-1.7.4.png |
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| 20:00.27 | fluoboa | gi: check your encryption settings then |
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| 20:00.40 | polyphagia | frikinz: you could use a multiplexer and watch :P |
| 20:01.09 | gi | fluoboa how can i do it? (sorry..like i said -windows user) |
| 20:01.12 | frikinz | polyphagia: I use tmux now and some watch, some tail -f.. |
| 20:01.52 | fluoboa | gi: do you have a connection manager installed on your desktop? |
| 20:01.56 | frikinz | polyphagia: so its customized to my needs :) |
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| 20:03.23 | gi | fluoboa yes |
| 20:03.23 | polyphagia | yeah frikinz it's nice |
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| 20:04.07 | fluoboa | gi: try with the software, make a new entry if necessary |
| 20:04.07 | frikinz | I had forgotten ccze to put some colours! |
| 20:05.35 | gi | fluoboa thanks.. i will try it |
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| 20:08.15 | fluoboa | gi: can you execute the following command please "cat /var/log/syslog | grep wpa" |
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| 20:08.46 | fluoboa | gi: this command will show if there is an encryption problem |
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| 20:14.46 | ozzloy | never mind, turns out it's the headphones. just paired the headset with an android device and i still get the hum |
| 20:14.52 | ozzloy | that's a bummer :-/ |
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| 20:25.47 | acz32 | if i have an existing debian install dual-boot setup with windows, is it possible to do FDE with LUKS without having to erase windows? |
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| 20:26.09 | acz32 | how does FDE work with dual boot in general |
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| 20:27.36 | guardian | is there mirror protocol recommended when configuring apt? http vs ftp? |
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| 20:28.43 | valdyn | guardian: http is always better |
| 20:28.56 | guardian | based on? |
| 20:29.06 | guardian | better chance to traverse NATs and firewalls? |
| 20:29.08 | valdyn | guardian: based on the fact that the ftp protocol is crap |
| 20:29.13 | guardian | k |
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| 20:29.22 | ElDiabolo | Any hints on wifi diagnostic tools (besides iwconfig and kismet)? |
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| 20:29.25 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 20:29.25 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 20:29.39 | valdyn | guardian: read the link, its not just about firewall traversal |
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| 20:30.12 | guardian | thank you |
| 20:31.52 | valdyn | guardian: and that text is old, the problems are more significant now that people have (on average) greater bandwidth |
| 20:32.03 | trysten | ElDiabolo: 'iwlist scan' |
| 20:32.16 | guardian | ok |
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| 21:30.07 | sydney | Ok, sensors is telling my that my cpu is idling at 50C and goes up to 70C under load. When i go under load for extensive periods of time i never have the CPU fan rev up on me, so is there some way i can check if sensors is reading correct? |
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| 21:30.29 | sydney | I also just cleaned the clu case-heat sink paste up. |
| 21:30.39 | PryMar56 | sydney, bios |
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| 21:30.59 | sydney | The heat sink is clean. |
| 21:31.12 | sydney | How in bios? I've never seen it in there before. |
| 21:31.43 | sydney | I see people online saying they can have a q6700 running in this thing idling at 40C, and i am running a q6300. |
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| 21:40.02 | Glitch | sg Tomorrow I marry I am 100% Gay !!! |
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| 21:44.15 | abrotman | Glitch: this is a support channel for Debian |
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| 21:46.40 | xreal | Could anyone please read my bug report an check if it's fine? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777162 |
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| 21:55.02 | gravy_ | Hello, is there a link to a debian sid iso? |
| 21:55.12 | OSVG | There are no sid ISOs. |
| 21:55.20 | gravy_ | Alright, is there a Jessie ISO? |
| 21:55.32 | gravy_ | Preferably one that I can boot on my laptop and install... |
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| 21:55.46 | sydney | gravy_: Yes, just a sec. |
| 21:55.49 | gravy_ | -- I've graduated from <s>kindergarten</s> mint :D |
| 21:55.52 | TriJetScud | gravy_: debootstrap |
| 21:55.54 | sydney | Jessie. |
| 21:56.04 | OSVG | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:56.17 | gravy_ | deboostrap? |
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| 21:56.19 | OSVG | Available by architecture. |
| 21:56.30 | sydney | There it is. |
| 21:56.34 | gravy_ | Okay, here's the situation, I have only one ISO and I want this to be perfect. |
| 21:56.57 | OSVG | I don't follow. |
| 21:57.02 | OSVG | What needs to be perfect about it. |
| 21:57.22 | gravy_ | I want it to burn perfectly (unlike with Unetbootin sometimes), I want it to be bootable and installable on the first attempt. |
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| 21:57.58 | OSVG | That will be dependent on the quality of the software you are using to burn and the quality of the media you are burning onto, and is unrelated to the ISO you are using. |
| 21:58.00 | SynrG | Is your hardware supported by wheezy? At least enough to boot and run the netinst? If so, download that and Image to USB |
| 21:58.30 | SynrG | Then upgrade after installing a base system |
| 21:58.36 | OSVG | However, USB drives are incredibly cheap these days even at local big box retailers and you can easily use those to create a re-usable installer. |
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| 21:58.49 | SynrG | No ISO needed |
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| 22:00.15 | SynrG | As for perfect copy, just use cp to the USB device node add per instructions in the Debian installation guide |
| 22:00.27 | SynrG | As* per |
| 22:01.26 | SynrG | e.g. if your USB is /dev/sdc, cp debian*.iso /dev/sdc |
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| 22:02.15 | SynrG | Of course substitute your actual device. See ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ to find it |
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| 22:11.45 | rgtrtr | ciao |
| 22:11.50 | rgtrtr | !list |
| 22:11.50 | dpkg | rgtrtr: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 22:14.55 | srg | I'm trying to install a more recent version of Iceweasel (stable release, not esr) on Jessie. The instructions on http://mozilla.debian.net/ tell me to add two lines to my sources.list and `apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel`. The problem is, after added those two lines, aptitude wants to upgrade 98 more packages, entirely unrelated to Iceweasel. I don't want this, I want to run testing packages not |
| 22:14.57 | srg | whatever this is upgrading to. How can I fix it? |
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| 22:19.48 | jeddi | srg: you need to have a quick read about apt-pinning (there's a few guides that come up early on google) |
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| 22:20.54 | jeddi | srg: alternative, add the lines, apt-get -t exp... (etc) to pull in a new iceweasel, and then remove the lines, apt-get update again. 2 problems with that approach - you may get 'weirdness' with version conflicts down the road, and you don't get patches / updates to your version of iceweasel. |
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| 22:21.39 | srg | jeddi: Thanks! I'm vaguely familiar with pinning. Essentially, I would have to prioritize 'testing' over 'experimental', right? |
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| 22:23.03 | jeddi | yes, that's it - i only do this irregularly (usually sit on sid/unstable most of the time) .. and defer to walkthroughs whenever I need to do something with pinning. |
| 22:23.18 | jeddi | often though it's just knowing what search term you need to start looking for. |
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| 22:23.37 | SynrG | I don't understand. experimental is auto pinned low |
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| 22:24.18 | SynrG | Adding it should not cause upgrades unless you're policy is screwed |
| 22:24.30 | SynrG | apt-cache policy |
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| 22:24.47 | srg | SynrG: after adding the cdn.debian.net lines (as recommended by mozilla.debian.net) it wants to upgrade a ton of random packages. This is on a new desktop install of jessie |
| 22:24.58 | SynrG | Show it in a pastebin |
| 22:25.04 | srg | ok |
| 22:25.15 | jeddi | srg: oh - are those packages dependencies? SynrG is right that experimental has low priority. |
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| 22:25.47 | SynrG | "the" lines. Which ones? Show your /etc/apt/sources.list too |
| 22:25.49 | allonsy | Hey guys, so my computer was working fine for the past couple of days but recently, for the past couple of boots, gdm goes to a black screen with a watch shaped cursor. I'm not super in trouble because I can still ssh in to the machine. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:27.27 | SynrG | I gotta go. Later |
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| 22:28.22 | kingsley | What tools exist to ease migrating from i386 to amd64? |
| 22:28.29 | srg | SynrG / jeddi `apt-cache policy` http://pastebin.com/CKbUZ087 sources.list: http://pastebin.com/Z9NkV1ZU |
| 22:29.07 | srg | jeddi: I don't think they're dependencies...it wants to upgrade the kernel, dbus, sudo, mount, all kinds of stuff |
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| 22:30.19 | jeddi | srg: hmm ... well, implement some pinning policies in any case, confirm apt-get / aptitude then only wants to pull in jessie-version packages, and you'll be fine. |
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| 22:31.33 | srg | alright, i'll play with pinning. Thanks! |
| 22:31.39 | srg | It just seems odd |
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| 22:31.53 | jeddi | srg: just reviewing the sources.list - that seems right. aptitude isn't something i use, so can't offer insight into the output there. |
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| 22:34.44 | srg | jeddi: If I just wait until jessie is unfrozen, will iceweasel stay at esr or be upgrade to release? |
| 22:35.56 | jeddi | srg: iceweasel should stay at the version its at now within jessie ... no idea on timeframes for jessie though. |
| 22:36.13 | srg | ok. thanks a lot for the help! |
| 22:36.38 | jeddi | all good. good luck! (go for pinning - it's good to run through an example of that with something low risk, just so you know how to use it :) |
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| 22:39.18 | allonsy | hey guys, just a to repeat a little, my computer was working fine until a yesterday when gdm now goes to black screen with a cursor that looks like a watch. It might have something to do with the fact that I installed vnc just a little bit ago but I'm not sure. |
| 22:39.51 | allonsy | I am able to ssh into the machine fine so I'm not worried that much but I would like a working GUI at some point |
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| 22:49.00 | zy3pD | htop shows me, that my system takes only 3.2% cpu and 19mb ram, is that realistic? |
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| 22:54.14 | teraflops | zy3pD: why not? |
| 22:54.51 | zy3pD | teraflops, 19mb thats about nothing and on this machine there is running nginx o.o |
| 22:54.58 | teraflops | heh |
| 22:55.30 | zy3pD | great work, debian team ^^ |
| 22:55.44 | teraflops | zy3pD: are you sure you are loged into the right machine? :p |
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| 22:55.55 | zy3pD | sure |
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| 22:56.44 | teraflops | zy3pD: anyway 19 sounds low but how many concurrent connections does nginx have? |
| 22:57.00 | zy3pD | now the system takes 21mb and there are running nginx, htop, ssh, ntp, cron, python stuff... |
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| 22:58.19 | teraflops | zy3pD: i dont think the system is cheating you |
| 22:58.23 | zy3pD | there are 2 worker processes, 1 user (me), 8 worker connections allowed |
| 22:58.51 | zy3pD | ok thx |
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| 23:06.00 | ikarus | uh, is it supported to in the installer setup the system such that swap is also encrypted (before I beat on the partition manager for 2 hours) |
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| 23:06.34 | dondelelcaro | ikarus: yes. |
| 23:06.58 | dondelelcaro | ikarus: the easiest way is to have swap on lvm which is on an encrypted volume |
| 23:07.15 | ikarus | yeah, I just realised that the installer actually already does that, it's just a bit of a pain to read |
| 23:08.37 | ikarus | ponders the size of swap |
| 23:09.39 | kingsley | Which window managers are a.) lightweight, b.) allow windows to be stacked on top of each other, and c.) allow moving the mouse to efficiently pan a view port over a big virtual desktop, beyond the monitor's native resolution? |
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| 23:12.39 | nkuttler | kingsley: stacked? fluxbox has tabs. use xrandr for panning |
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| 23:13.45 | ikarus | mmmm, going to throw 4GB of swap to it anyway, even if that is a bit much on 4GB of ram |
| 23:13.50 | ikarus | but it means fewer headaches |
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| 23:27.44 | allonsy | hey guys, just a to repeat a little, my computer was working fine until a yesterday when gdm now goes to black screen with a cursor that looks like a watch. It might have something to do with the fact that I installed vnc just a little bit ago but I'm not sure. |
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| 23:29.03 | factor | Im having problems trying to install libc6_2.13-38+deb7u6_amd64.deb again , I tried to install libc6_2.13-38+deb7u7 but did not work. now I have a borken system. how can i install the u6 version and tryto upgrade again. |
| 23:29.34 | factor | if i run apt-get -f install it tried to remove my entire system. |
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| 23:30.05 | factor | How do I get the debian 7.8 libc6 installed again. |
| 23:30.29 | factor | Can I just force install somehow? |
| 23:30.56 | factor | or do I mark the u7 version unseen to the debian systems apt. |
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| 23:31.55 | teclo- | hello, is there some way to set a "label" to a ext4 filesystem ? |
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| 23:32.58 | factor | I use KVPM to set my lables. |
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| 23:36.55 | gravy_ | SORRY, JOB CAUGHT UP ILL BE BACK, STILL WANT DEBIAN |
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| 23:41.27 | factor | Anyone know how I can fix a broken libc6 |
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| 23:41.48 | factor | I have u7 borking up my apt. I need it to recognise only u6 then I can upgrade correctly |
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| 23:43.47 | abrotman | what is u7 ? |
| 23:44.04 | factor | abortman libc6 |
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| 23:44.21 | abrotman | factor: show us in a pastebin |
| 23:44.26 | factor | i need it to recognise u6 as it is install, so I can remove u7 |
| 23:44.30 | factor | ok |
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| 23:46.08 | factor | Abortman: http://pastebin.com/dc5Y635u |
| 23:47.07 | factor | oh looks like u7 is now recognized so my system is not vurniable , but messed up my apt. I need to install it correctly |
| 23:47.29 | factor | Or do i need to install something else to fix it |
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| 23:48.14 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.28 | factor | Which is what i wanted , but messed up my apt. |
| 23:49.13 | factor | I need to remove it and then upgrade again as I have a bunch of the other files in cache apt now. |
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| 23:49.45 | Posterdati | hi |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | factor: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 23:50.09 | factor | abortman:as I just install u7 of libc6 , then forced install of u6 again |
| 23:50.32 | factor | lets see , it tried to uninstall everyting first. |
| 23:50.36 | factor | hold on |
| 23:50.47 | Posterdati | I've got a problem with wheezy and the dvd drive, as I open the drive door it automatically closes! :) |
| 23:51.34 | factor | abortman: http://pastebin.com/kiG2utB6 |
| 23:51.46 | mtn | Posterdati: have you tested it with any other distro? usually that is hardware problem. |
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| 23:52.07 | Posterdati | no |
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| 23:52.13 | abrotman | factor: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:52.21 | factor | ok hold on abortman. |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | factor: abro<tab> |
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| 23:53.04 | mtn | abrotman: I was thinking you changed your nick :P |
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| 23:53.49 | factor | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/xxw8kQ7m |
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| 23:54.15 | abrotman | factor: you have no http sources? |
| 23:54.28 | factor | no Its on an intranet. |
| 23:54.37 | abrotman | factor: you can still use an apt proxy |
| 23:55.06 | factor | i have all the files needed. |
| 23:55.11 | abrotman | factor: you apparently don't .. |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | factor: you also need the libc6 upgrade for i386 |
| 23:56.13 | factor | yes i have that, I copied over all my apt cache from a simliar machine on the net. |
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| 23:56.29 | abrotman | factor: dpkg -i both libc6 pckages at the same time |
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| 23:56.40 | factor | ok |
| 23:57.28 | factor | abrotman:which pacjages u6 or u7 |
| 23:57.34 | factor | packages^ |
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| 23:59.03 | Posterdati | mtn: it happens when I activate udftools |
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