| 00:01.54 | abrotman | factor: the one you wan tto install |
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| 00:02.17 | factor | ok so the old one, then I can upgrade correctly |
| 00:02.35 | factor | or just install the i386 new one |
| 00:04.33 | abrotman | down *both* new packges, install at the same time |
| 00:04.45 | abrotman | Is it me? |
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| 00:06.16 | factor | Cool thnaks again, looking for the new u7 i386 package in my apt cache |
| 00:06.24 | factor | abortman: |
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| 00:10.21 | acz32 | i've never done this but i'm thinking of downloading a bleachbit debian 7 .deb from the developer's site. any reason why i shouldn't? the version in stable is just so old |
| 00:10.35 | factor | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/NN0MabxP i get this now. |
| 00:10.55 | factor | do i need to force upgrade i386 to u7 |
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| 00:16.13 | abrotman | factor: that's neat ... |
| 00:16.26 | factor | heh |
| 00:16.37 | factor | What is that. |
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| 00:17.47 | Dan39 | how do i edit this dam exim4 config? |
| 00:17.53 | Dan39 | what a horrible config this is |
| 00:18.06 | Dan39 | edit exim4.conf.template and restart? |
| 00:18.13 | Dan39 | doesnt seem to have taken affect |
| 00:18.34 | abrotman | factor: try again, maybe? no idea .. that seems less than ideal |
| 00:18.46 | factor | ok |
| 00:19.09 | abrotman | steps away |
| 00:21.14 | factor | abrotman at least the GHOSt patch was suscessful. Just cant use apt anymore. |
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| 00:23.57 | Dan39 | anyone? |
| 00:24.08 | Dan39 | i am trying to get exim4 to bind to specific interface/ip for sending outgoing emails |
| 00:24.35 | Dan39 | i have edited exim4.conf.template after driver = smtp added interface = theip, but its still sending from other interface over ipv6 :| |
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| 00:37.37 | factor | How can I force apt to be removed. |
| 00:37.48 | factor | i need to reinstall it. , I can use dpkg. |
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| 00:39.17 | delighted | Hello |
| 00:39.43 | delighted | I want to know what version of Xfce comes with Debian Jessie! |
| 00:39.44 | delighted | Thanks! |
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| 00:41.19 | delighted | This CD, to be specific http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 00:42.25 | Brigo | ,v xfce |
| 00:42.25 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 00:42.27 | Brigo | ,v xfce4 |
| 00:42.29 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1 |
| 00:42.45 | Brigo | delighted, as judd said, 4.10.1 |
| 00:43.05 | delighted | Ok, thanks ^^ |
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| 01:00.12 | spTollway | factor: you be carefull there ... you hear ? .... ;) |
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| 01:00.47 | factor | i patched my system for GHOSt but borked my apt. will have to totaly remove and install it over again. |
| 01:01.00 | factor | apt that is. |
| 01:01.12 | factor | if I install from now on its all dpkg |
| 01:01.30 | spTollway | how did you mess up apt-get ? ghost is glibc |
| 01:04.28 | ikarus | is there a replacement for touchfreeze ? |
| 01:04.38 | ikarus | (without bringing in all of GNOME or KDE or the like) |
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| 01:06.24 | spTollway | what is touchfreeze? |
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| 01:07.54 | factor | spTollway: glibc is tied to everyting |
| 01:08.13 | factor | apt wanted to remove my enitre system so I took it out |
| 01:08.23 | factor | I can do it with dpkg |
| 01:08.27 | factor | from now on |
| 01:08.51 | factor | the system is good now, but apt thinks things are all wrong |
| 01:09.38 | spTollway | so reboot |
| 01:10.33 | factor | that wont fix apt, its db is all messed up |
| 01:10.43 | factor | would have to remove it and have it rebuild the db again. |
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| 01:12.34 | verve | question: i did dpkg --add-architecture i386, added [arch=amd64,i386] to my sources.list, did a dist-upgrade (it didn't do anything) |
| 01:12.44 | verve | and i'm trying to install ia32-libs stuff, and it won't install |
| 01:12.46 | verve | any idears? |
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| 01:14.18 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell verve about multiarch |
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| 01:14.38 | verve | i just said i did that |
| 01:14.47 | verve | (i did the apt-get update) |
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| 01:25.11 | polyphagia | you don't need ia32-libs verve |
| 01:25.29 | verve | i think Packer Tracer requires it |
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| 01:27.45 | spTollway | factor: i've updated a few systems and had no trouble - did you have any initial errors? |
| 01:28.33 | factor | i had to upgrade intranet wise. |
| 01:28.41 | factor | I upgraded my systems at home fine |
| 01:29.35 | spTollway | what does intranet wise mean? |
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| 01:30.36 | verve | polyphagia: https://nextdime.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/how-to-install-cisco-packet-tracer-6-0-1-in-ubuntu-14-04/ and https://nextdime.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/package-ia32-libs-gtk-has-no-installation-candidate-ubuntu-14-04/ |
| 01:30.43 | _2_Diana | Hello??:O |
| 01:30.45 | factor | if im on the Internet it worked , on the intranet it borks up apt |
| 01:31.00 | _2_Diana | umm |
| 01:31.31 | _2_Diana | who r u |
| 01:33.00 | polyphagia | verve: this isn't ubuntu |
| 01:33.09 | verve | i'm aware |
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| 01:34.09 | verve | i'm not running Ubuntu, but since Ubuntu is built upon Debian, and is just a collection of packages, there's no reason Packet Tracer shouldn't run |
| 01:34.20 | verve | but there's multiple references to it needing ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 01:35.45 | factor | spTollway: intranet means disconnected from internet |
| 01:36.09 | future28 | Hi there, looking for some advice. I have a 3 year old laptop (2nd gen intel cpu) and it's got decent specs. I currently use wheezy but am looking to get into unstable. Can I upgrade easily without breaking everything? Or should I get my data, format my drive and start again? |
| 01:36.10 | spTollway | so you probably don't have the latest packages ? |
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| 01:40.57 | factor | spTollway: I have the latest, I copied all the packages from cache apt from my home system. |
| 01:41.04 | factor | Its up to date and patched for ghost |
| 01:41.18 | factor | I downloaded iso also for 7.8 |
| 01:41.34 | factor | mounted them locally. |
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| 01:47.04 | srg | future28: You want to upgrade from stable->unstable? Skipping testing? |
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| 02:19.57 | future28 | srg: Oops, sorry, I mean testing |
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| 02:20.40 | srg | future28: upgrade from stable->testing can be done without too much pain. Google around, there's plenty of guides. |
| 02:21.46 | srg | future28: Basically update your /etc/apt/sources.list and run: `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get upgrade` |
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| 02:27.20 | future28 | Thanks srg! |
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| 02:33.49 | future28 | 1728 upgraded, 722 newly installed, 61 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Here goes nothing |
| 02:34.03 | future28 | Damn, I wish this wasn't a production machine that's live! |
| 02:34.12 | future28 | (Just kidding) |
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| 02:38.33 | srg | future28: I run deb testing on a production machine |
| 02:38.43 | srg | future28: "Production" meaning a few tiny websites that don't really matter |
| 02:40.46 | future28 | srg: I don't suppose this will fix all of my wifi issues! (atheros bugs) |
| 02:41.32 | srg | future28: I'm not too familiar with atheros, but I had to install a driver from the non-free repo to get my wifi working on a laptop |
| 02:43.22 | future28 | srg: I might have to look into it once this update is through |
| 02:43.57 | srg | Check http://wiki.debian.org |
| 02:44.05 | srg | They might have info on the Atheros chipset |
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| 02:46.10 | future28 | Thanks for that |
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| 02:50.12 | three_legs | so now is not a good time for flashplugin-nonfree to not update lol |
| 02:51.10 | intelikey | i'v broken my gui again. pfft. |
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| 02:52.27 | intelikey | it's probbably (probobabbly) the fact that i deleted root from the passwd file ;/ |
| 02:52.45 | three_legs | intelikey: what |
| 02:52.52 | three_legs | intelikey: what's a gui |
| 02:52.55 | intelikey | yeah |
| 02:53.11 | intelikey | it's that pointy clicky thingy |
| 02:53.46 | three_legs | huh ? |
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| 02:53.58 | three_legs | we are on linux bro |
| 02:54.01 | three_legs | get used to cli |
| 02:54.02 | three_legs | :D |
| 02:54.08 | intelikey | graph user interface |
| 02:54.19 | intelikey | ic |
| 02:54.52 | intelikey | wonders if anyone else noticed |
| 02:55.25 | intelikey | yeah yeah we are on linux. for twenty years now. |
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| 02:56.16 | intelikey | but as a side note. is there anything in the x11 scripts that require "root" ? |
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| 02:56.51 | three_legs | intelikey: probably the xorg server |
| 02:56.52 | three_legs | .. |
| 02:56.56 | intelikey | and i don't mean "superuser account == UID 0" |
| 02:57.10 | intelikey | i'm talking username root |
| 02:57.37 | intelikey | i'll go grep it and see what pops up |
| 02:58.49 | three_legs | xserver runs as root i think.. |
| 03:00.41 | intelikey | ummm that's bad. it should run as UID=0 not as USER=root |
| 03:01.02 | three_legs | oh |
| 03:01.05 | three_legs | meh |
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| 03:12.54 | Ozzie_001 | Hi. |
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| 03:13.34 | Ozzie_001 | Can somebody help me: I want to see this flash player streams in vlc, debian wheezy, but i cannot find the streams source. The url's are: http://www.rtve.es/directo/canal-24h/ http://noticieros.televisa.com/foro-tv/ http://tv.milenio.com/ Thank you. |
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| 03:14.32 | Ozzie_001 | Mi PC is too slow for flash. |
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| 03:21.04 | Ozzie_001 | Can somebody help me: I want to see this flash player streams in vlc, debian wheezy, but i cannot find the streams source. The url's are: http://www.rtve.es/directo/canal-24h/ http://noticieros.televisa.com/foro-tv/ http://tv.milenio.com/ Thank you. |
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| 03:37.27 | i5um41ru | [ask] hi, every body why i can't access my virtual terminals? it's only show a blank page |
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| 03:38.50 | zoku | getty is not running? |
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| 03:39.18 | zoku | have you recently upgraded an old system? |
| 03:39.24 | zoku | systemd has absorbed getty |
| 03:39.32 | i5um41ru | zoku: no it's not running, except trying to run it manually, looks like it didn't respawn |
| 03:40.04 | i5um41ru | zoku: no not, this happen after installing kde-full |
| 03:40.35 | intelikey | i5um41ru ps ax and see if there is anything using a vt tty# and also note if one of the startup processes is hung |
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| 03:41.21 | intelikey | i'm thinking that rc.local never ran/finished |
| 03:41.34 | truedon | Hi, I need to install Ansible and I wondered if it's possible with apt-get as there is a ubuntu package but I can't seem to figure out how to get it on Debian 7 x64 |
| 03:42.27 | i5um41ru | intelikey: what about this http://www.fpaste.org/182270/94123142/ |
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| 03:44.31 | intelikey | i5um41ru that doesn't tell us why. it could still be an init process waiting to finish. and that will hang getty out to dry. |
| 03:44.53 | intelikey | but i have to much breakage here to help with that right now. |
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| 03:51.55 | cheapie | How do I change the default target for grub-install? It's currently i386-pc, I need to change it to x86_64-efi. |
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| 03:52.51 | shaun413 | hello |
| 03:52.57 | shaun413 | how can I install a .deb file? |
| 03:53.11 | cheapie | shaun413: One you already downloaded? |
| 03:53.15 | shaun413 | yes |
| 03:53.28 | cheapie | shaun413: sudo dpkg -i <package_name>.deb |
| 03:53.32 | shaun413 | ok |
| 03:53.35 | cheapie | (omit sudo if working as root) |
| 03:53.53 | cheapie | shaun413: Alternatively, there's a GUI program called gdebi that will do it. |
| 03:53.56 | truedon | I need to install Ansible and I wondered if it's possible with apt-get as there is a ubuntu package but I can't seem to figure out how to get it on Debian 7 x64 |
| 03:54.49 | shaun413 | how do I navigate to a new DIr? |
| 03:54.58 | cheapie | truedon: It is in wheezy-backports. If you enable them, you can install it. |
| 03:55.03 | cheapie | shaun413: cd <dir> |
| 03:55.05 | shaun413 | right |
| 03:55.06 | truedon | cheapie: oh nice man!! |
| 03:55.06 | shaun413 | ok |
| 03:55.18 | truedon | cheapie: I will check that out |
| 03:55.42 | cheapie | truedon: Something along the lines of "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main" in your sources.list will do it. |
| 03:55.55 | truedon | I just want to quickly deploy a LNMP stack, (Nginx, php-fpm, mysql) server |
| 03:56.04 | truedon | is Ansible the best way to go about that on deb 7? |
| 03:56.35 | cheapie | truedon: I've never used it, nor do I have much experience with "enterprisey" servers. |
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| 03:57.04 | cheapie | est31: Hi. |
| 03:57.09 | est31 | hi :) |
| 03:57.13 | truedon | cheapie: ok man.. I didn't know this was getting into star trek territory but thanks |
| 03:57.42 | cheapie | est31: Ever used ansible? truedon has some questions about it. |
| 03:57.55 | truedon | thanks |
| 03:57.56 | est31 | no |
| 03:57.59 | truedon | Ah ok |
| 03:58.01 | truedon | or chef? |
| 03:58.11 | est31 | no |
| 03:58.32 | est31 | but the wikipedia articles seem promising |
| 03:58.37 | shaun413 | it says |
| 03:58.38 | truedon | no worries then |
| 03:58.46 | shaun413 | it is missing dependencies? |
| 03:58.48 | truedon | It's just for a quick provisioning |
| 03:58.53 | shaun413 | a bunch of python stuff |
| 03:59.00 | cheapie | shaun413: Try gdebi instead. It can handle that automatically. |
| 03:59.00 | truedon | shaun413: what u trying to do man |
| 03:59.08 | shaun413 | isntall simplecv |
| 03:59.11 | shaun413 | install |
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| 03:59.20 | cheapie | truedon: He's installing a package he manually downloaded. |
| 03:59.29 | truedon | ahh ok |
| 03:59.32 | cheapie | truedon: (as bad of an idea as that generally is) |
| 03:59.39 | shaun413 | ? |
| 03:59.46 | shaun413 | its a bad idea? |
| 03:59.51 | truedon | nah well |
| 03:59.56 | truedon | In my world it's not at all |
| 04:00.03 | truedon | I do it all the time... |
| 04:00.06 | shaun413 | well is there a CV program |
| 04:00.13 | shaun413 | that comes in the debain repos |
| 04:00.15 | truedon | Simplecv is a language |
| 04:00.18 | shaun413 | right |
| 04:00.26 | shaun413 | what about opencv |
| 04:00.30 | truedon | Hmm |
| 04:00.37 | shaun413 | hmm |
| 04:00.40 | truedon | Can't you acquire simplecv via pip? |
| 04:00.51 | shaun413 | IDK what PIP is |
| 04:00.55 | truedon | ohh |
| 04:01.00 | est31 | alternative package manager |
| 04:01.04 | truedon | it's just a package manager for python, takes over from the old one |
| 04:01.10 | truedon | well the simple install method |
| 04:01.13 | truedon | just make a virtualenv |
| 04:01.15 | est31 | why is there no package manager manager for linux. |
| 04:01.16 | truedon | and try to get it |
| 04:01.18 | truedon | huh |
| 04:01.22 | truedon | nah man there are loads |
| 04:01.22 | est31 | somebody should port oneget to linux... |
| 04:01.23 | shaun413 | so how do I use it |
| 04:01.34 | truedon | est31: nah man there are literally loads, apt-get, yum, what r u on about? |
| 04:01.43 | truedon | shaun413: install pip yeh |
| 04:01.46 | cheapie | truedon: Package manager /manager/. |
| 04:01.49 | est31 | package manager manager != package manager |
| 04:01.55 | truedon | hahaha |
| 04:01.57 | truedon | ok |
| 04:01.57 | shaun413 | canst find it |
| 04:01.59 | shaun413 | cant |
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| 04:02.03 | truedon | pip search simplecv |
| 04:02.06 | cheapie | Package meta-manager. |
| 04:02.08 | shaun413 | cannot locate pip |
| 04:02.15 | est31 | yea oneget is one of those |
| 04:02.17 | truedon | apt-get install pip |
| 04:02.21 | cheapie | Then I'll need a package meta-meta-manager to manage those... |
| 04:02.25 | shaun413 | it cant find it |
| 04:02.26 | srg | When will testing become unfrozen? |
| 04:02.33 | truedon | laughs out loud |
| 04:02.36 | srg | (emacs will need a meta-meta-meta-meta key too) |
| 04:02.39 | est31 | cheapie: its about just having to enter one command |
| 04:02.41 | truedon | hehehe |
| 04:02.52 | est31 | one to rule them all... |
| 04:02.55 | truedon | est31: that's why i'm putting in Ansible and using playbooks |
| 04:03.00 | srg | THis is almost as funny as the time I almost got glined for trolling #ubuntu |
| 04:03.07 | srg | nostalgic |
| 04:03.07 | shaun413 | unable to locate package pip |
| 04:03.09 | cheapie | est31: *Ideally*, APT and friends would handle everything. |
| 04:03.10 | truedon | huh |
| 04:03.15 | est31 | ^ |
| 04:03.17 | est31 | this |
| 04:03.32 | truedon | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-pip |
| 04:03.35 | truedon | shaun413: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-pip |
| 04:03.49 | shaun413 | ? |
| 04:03.52 | cheapie | shaun413: That is, "sudo apt-get install python-pip" |
| 04:03.56 | shaun413 | Ok |
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| 04:04.20 | est31 | does apt have the feature to install only for one user, or just inside a directory? |
| 04:04.34 | cheapie | est31: Not that I'm aware of. It's not really designed for that. |
| 04:04.47 | cheapie | est31: Now, you can use debootstrap to install Debian into a directory... |
| 04:04.49 | shaun413 | i cant install it |
| 04:04.53 | shaun413 | its missing dependencies |
| 04:04.58 | shaun413 | python stuff |
| 04:05.05 | est31 | cheapie: then chroot? |
| 04:05.08 | cheapie | shaun413: When you did "sudo apt-get install python-pip"? |
| 04:05.09 | cheapie | est31: Yes. |
| 04:05.12 | kalin00b | my boot is hanging at setting up alsa for several minutes |
| 04:05.18 | shaun413 | just now |
| 04:05.26 | shaun413 | yes |
| 04:05.31 | kalin00b | as im having issues fixing nvidia drivers and need to be restarting a lot this is VERY annoying |
| 04:05.43 | kalin00b | i installed nothing or changed nothing having to do with alsa |
| 04:05.59 | cheapie | kalin00b: I noticed your name... are you using Debian or Kali? |
| 04:06.48 | truedon | est31: you can do that with yum |
| 04:07.17 | truedon | shaun413: please paste bin what these errors are you are getting from your apt-get⦠please run apt-get update also |
| 04:08.36 | civillian | cheapie: lol he quit |
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| 04:08.46 | shaun413 | yesok it works |
| 04:08.51 | cheapie | I'll take that as a "Kali". |
| 04:08.51 | truedon | yeh man it works |
| 04:08.54 | truedon | of course it does |
| 04:08.55 | shaun413 | how do I isntall simplecv from pip |
| 04:08.55 | cheapie | wanders off for a bit |
| 04:09.05 | truedon | go in pip |
| 04:09.08 | truedon | pip install simplecv |
| 04:09.09 | truedon | ? |
| 04:09.16 | truedon | give that a whirl |
| 04:09.24 | shaun413 | oh its already installed |
| 04:09.40 | truedon | hands the cleggy award of feb 2015 to shaun413 |
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| 04:31.32 | factor | I rebooted the server and I come up to grub rescue |
| 04:31.42 | factor | how do I by my hard drive. |
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| 04:42.11 | factor | had my USB stick in the slot, but could not get it to downgrade the libc6 u7 to u6 to have aptitude fix it. |
| 04:42.40 | factor | aptitude did correct some stuff. but will have to find a way to downgrade libc6 to u6 from u7 |
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| 05:15.10 | blast_hardcheese | Custom kernel question-- I just copied the /boot/config-3.16.x into .config, ran make menuconfig, then used make-kpkg |
| 05:15.55 | factor | How can I remove the i386 arch |
| 05:16.12 | factor | var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg --remove-architecture i386 dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database |
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| 05:16.49 | blast_hardcheese | The issue I was trying to resolve was actually resolved, (my laptop's trackpad works now,) but now weird things don't work anymore; iptables can't NAT, I'm missing capabilities somehow... when I try to ping things I get: ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
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| 05:17.33 | somiaj | factor: first remove all packages installed using i386 arch |
| 05:18.10 | shay_shay | hey |
| 05:18.32 | factor | Ihave , I thought. |
| 05:18.36 | factor | all of them |
| 05:18.37 | shay_shay | where are disk uuid's stored on msdos formatted drives? |
| 05:18.59 | factor | how can i make sure al i386 packages are removed. |
| 05:19.10 | future28 | I'm not sure which driver I need for: Atheros AR9002wb-1n - What would happen if I had other drivers installed too? |
| 05:19.37 | blast_hardcheese | factor: aptitude purge '?architecture(i386) ?installed' maybe? |
| 05:19.55 | blast_hardcheese | That's kind of the sledgehammer approach though. |
| 05:19.57 | somiaj | factor: search installed packages, aptitude search ~i~ri386 |
| 05:20.23 | evilman_work | factor: dpkg -l | grep i386 |
| 05:20.26 | somiaj | yea you could purge ore rmeove them with aptitude as well, I suually like to search before I do something |
| 05:20.51 | shay_shay | aptitude is the devil |
| 05:20.56 | factor | blast_hardcheese: thanks two packages still hung around |
| 05:21.03 | blast_hardcheese | factor: No prob |
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| 05:21.28 | blast_hardcheese | shay_shay: Is there something with aptitude's query language that isn't, in your opinion? |
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| 05:23.15 | blast_hardcheese | Oh well. |
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| 05:23.42 | kWO901 | whats the command to clean leftoers after uninstalling apps? |
| 05:23.44 | blast_hardcheese | I'm really kind of lost with this kernel thing though, would someone please advise? |
| 05:24.24 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese, why did you need to build a new kernel? |
| 05:24.49 | factor | WHoo hoo GHOSt is patched and apt works |
| 05:24.53 | factor | out |
| 05:25.22 | blast_hardcheese | shay_shay: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ASUS_Zenbook_UX303#Touch_Pad |
| 05:26.06 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese, did you try 3.18 from experimental? |
| 05:26.08 | blast_hardcheese | Even in its infancy, the driver is much, much, much better than the previous behavior (anyone that got within two city blocks of the trackpad would trigger a click) |
| 05:26.45 | blast_hardcheese | I did not, I went directly to the guy's repo and built his kernel |
| 05:27.49 | blast_hardcheese | Didn't really have a huge amount of time to devote to trying different kernels from different releases, especially since the notes on that wiki page about my trackpad all happened within the last month. |
| 05:28.17 | blast_hardcheese | it seemed reasonable that his patch wouldn't have gotten into a sid kernel yet |
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| 05:29.31 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese, no, not sid, but experimental possibly |
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| 05:30.33 | blast_hardcheese | shay_shay: understood |
| 05:30.51 | blast_hardcheese | This does seem to be a good opportunity to learn about linux capabilities though |
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| 05:35.38 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese, https://github.com/mgottschlag/linux/commit/9e199c3992538a28ac76be71e938aea1257b8eb2 |
| 05:35.43 | shay_shay | you just need to cherrypick that |
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| 05:38.41 | blast_hardcheese | shay_shay: I really appreciate your help |
| 05:39.05 | blast_hardcheese | Do you know why I'm having the issues I'm having regarding capabilities? |
| 05:39.32 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese, no idea, but it might be better to git clone the debian kernel and then cherry pick that one commit |
| 05:39.34 | blast_hardcheese | In particular, ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 05:39.36 | shay_shay | http://jderose.blogspot.com/2013/08/how-to-cherry-pick-upstream-kernel.html |
| 05:39.39 | shay_shay | example^ |
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| 05:39.54 | blast_hardcheese | I see, that makes more sense. |
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| 05:51.34 | mysupper | hello |
| 05:57.42 | shay_shay | how come i cant find debian scm for kernel |
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| 05:58.48 | blast_hardcheese | I was asking myself the same question |
| 05:59.19 | blast_hardcheese | I just gave up and downloaded the deb |
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| 06:04.31 | Anteac | anyone experienced with ispconfig autoinstaller? |
| 06:05.23 | blast_hardcheese | shay_shay: And now, we wait. |
| 06:05.47 | blast_hardcheese | Hopefully that guy's patch doesn't depend on anything greater than 3.16 |
| 06:05.52 | nell | how do I clone a crypto_LUKS partition to a new disk |
| 06:05.52 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese, did you apply it in .patch form? |
| 06:05.54 | nell | and boot it |
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| 06:06.16 | blast_hardcheese | shay_shay: nope, as th underlying shim files didn't even exist |
| 06:06.16 | shay_shay | blast_hardcheese, well you could have gotten the 3.18 source from experimental |
| 06:07.28 | shay_shay | http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/trunk/linux/ |
| 06:08.17 | shay_shay | i dont know how to use svn :( |
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| 06:10.02 | blast_hardcheese | consider yourself lucky |
| 06:11.03 | blast_hardcheese | Nice! I found the other commit that was depended on, both applied successfully on 3.16! |
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| 06:11.28 | blast_hardcheese | And now we wait again. |
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| 06:12.40 | blast_hardcheese | I learned about make oldconfig, which is quite helpful |
| 06:12.47 | blast_hardcheese | could have used that a bunch of times already |
| 06:15.44 | blast_hardcheese | Alright, thanks again shay_shay. |
| 06:16.02 | blast_hardcheese | it wasn't immediately apparent what you were trying to tell me, but you ended up being right |
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| 06:16.39 | shay_shay | oh so it worked |
| 06:16.45 | blast_hardcheese | Well, it's building |
| 06:16.52 | blast_hardcheese | We'll know eventually. |
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| 06:17.16 | shay_shay | <.< |
| 06:17.33 | blast_hardcheese | ? |
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| 06:17.48 | shay_shay | looks to the left |
| 06:17.50 | shay_shay | :D |
| 06:18.14 | blast_hardcheese | yes |
| 06:19.24 | blast_hardcheese | Maybe it'll be built by the time I get home, that would be nice. |
| 06:19.30 | blast_hardcheese | Heading out now, later all |
| 06:19.43 | Anteac | https://github.com/allanice001/ISPConfig-3-Debian-Installer/commit/4b784e62e82615ee6f7423e688e2cf85f7794c48 |
| 06:19.49 | Anteac | help |
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| 06:28.50 | Anteac | ok on debian now |
| 06:28.51 | Anteac | 7 |
| 06:28.57 | Anteac | so its related |
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| 06:29.34 | Anteac | 404 not found |
| 06:29.36 | Anteac | cd /tmp; wget --no-check-certificate -O ISPConfig3.tgz https://github.com/allanice001/ISPConfig-3-Debian-Installer.git/tarball/master; tar zxvf ISPConfig3.tgz; cd *Installer*; sudo bash install.sh |
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| 09:28.51 | CtrlC | Hi guys, I need xrandr to compile a library but when I try to install it I get "Package xrandr is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:28.51 | CtrlC | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. However the following packages replace it: |
| 09:28.51 | CtrlC | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.51 | CtrlC | E: Package 'xrandr' has no installation candidate" And x11-xserver is installed. |
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| 09:30.18 | CtrlC | Hi guys, I need xrandr to compile a library but when I try to install it I get this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/67f4a222/ |
| 09:30.38 | CtrlC | By the way x11-xserver-utils is installed. |
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| 09:37.45 | CtrlC | Installing libxrandr-dev solved the problem. |
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| 09:43.03 | phix | hi |
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| 09:43.41 | phix | ntz: werd |
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| 09:44.25 | ntz | servus |
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| 09:46.16 | ntz | how do I please list all installed packages from certain repository ? can't find it in manual .. i suppose dpkg ? |
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| 09:48.49 | jelly-home | !which repo |
| 09:48.59 | jelly-home | dpkg: ping |
| 09:49.22 | ntz | what ? |
| 09:49.38 | jelly-home | bot is not responding |
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| 09:50.03 | jelly-home | ntz: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/factoid.php?key=which+repo |
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| 09:50.30 | ntz | jelly-home: it can't be done using offline tools ? |
| 09:50.37 | ntz | s/offline// |
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| 09:51.08 | jelly-home | ntz: read the instructions, please |
| 09:51.42 | ntz | thanks .. I see |
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| 09:53.27 | ntz | it's so pathetic |
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| 10:16.55 | Runner | dy At who like this game ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAAdKE84Ts |
| 10:18.21 | i02sopop | it looks nice, but it's not the kind of games I play |
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| 10:19.49 | p4Y54nDu | It's a good game. But unfortunately I don't play as much as I like to... |
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| 10:31.30 | Lachezar | Hey all. Got a Debian Wheezy system with Tomcat installed from backports. Now it seems there is a different version, but my 'apt-get upgrade' says : '... have been kept back'. |
| 10:32.02 | Runner | 5, ur At who like this game ? Is a shit game this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAAdKE84Ts |
| 10:32.02 | Lachezar | What's the sensible thing to do? How do I see what version is installed, and what is available? |
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| 10:32.53 | colo-work | Lachezar, a new dependecy is now probably coming from backports, too. see if `apt-get -t wheezy-backports upgrade` can help. |
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| 10:38.21 | ddd1 | Hello,i`m running Sid/Unstable with Cinnamon and Intel Graphics 4000,problem is from time to time the compositing stop and gtk3 tray apps shows a frame also there is screen tearing issues despite of fact that i enable tearfree and accelmethod in xorg |
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| 10:41.33 | petn-randall | Lachezar: Can you show the actual output? Usually you should run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' in regular intervals to keep your machine up-to-date. |
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| 10:46.00 | Lachezar | petn-randall: The following packages have been kept back: libtomcat7-java tomcat7 tomcat7-common |
| 10:46.46 | Lachezar | colo-work: 'apt-get -t ... upgrade' shows : 40 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded. |
| 10:47.12 | Lachezar | colo-work: can I update only the packages I've installed from the backports? |
| 10:47.31 | colo-work | apt-get install -t wheezy-backports libtomcat7-java tomcat7 tomcat7-common |
| 10:47.39 | colo-work | but that will also mark those as explicitely installed |
| 10:48.12 | jelly-home | it's probably enough to just "apt-get install -t wheezy-backports tomcat7" |
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| 10:48.58 | Lachezar | colo-work: They are already marked as explicitly installed, since I was instructed (by people in this channel) that that is the only way to install packages from the backports. |
| 10:50.01 | Lachezar | Ahha: one of the tomcat packages has a new dependency. |
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| 10:51.20 | Lachezar | hates how the Tomcat package is built: spread across the system, and the install script wreacks havok on permissions. |
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| 10:54.01 | Lachezar | jelly-home: colo-work: Thank you, it worked by installing tomcat. After fixing the damage done by the install script Tomcat runs now. |
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| 10:55.25 | ptman | arch has special handling for btrfs subvolume named __active, does debian have anything similar? where is it documented? |
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| 10:55.53 | tremon | debian doesn't have any handling for btrfs yet fafaik |
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| 10:56.33 | ptman | tremon, ubuntu seems to have something as well: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs , you sure that hasn't affected debian? |
| 10:57.46 | tremon | no I'm not sure. But they do say it's ubuntu-specific |
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| 10:59.50 | jelly-home | ptman: which debian release is that? |
| 11:00.08 | ptman | well, I was thinking of installing jessie |
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| 11:00.27 | jelly-home | you might ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, then |
| 11:00.35 | ptman | thanks |
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| 11:26.20 | Kingsy | I have openbox installed and I have some themes in use however some applications such as dolpin and keepassx still look horrible.. what styling am I missing? |
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| 11:48.11 | Walex | Kingsy: Dolphin uses the KDE themes and 'keepassx' probably the Gtk 2 or 3 themes. |
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| 11:48.51 | Vroomfondel | yeah keepass uses gtk |
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| 11:54.09 | Kingsy | hehe so so many things to style |
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| 12:06.23 | PapaSierra | i'm trying to set up NAT such that my app servers on a private network go through the "main"/"front facing" server to access the internet. i'm trying to find some info on the general concepts at play here. most of the how-to's i find are for routers, or they have tons of detail but neglect to make it clear which part is the set up for the private app servers, and which part is the set up for the main gateway server |
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| 12:08.24 | PapaSierra | my use case is simple: currently, my app servers are consuming a 3rd party api. the 3rd party sees hits coming in from a bunch of different ip addresses. they want to restrict our access to 1 ip address. fortunately we have a front facing reverse proxy server already with a static ip address. i'm hoping to "proxy" requests from the app servers through this one main server. i think NAT is what i want. i just don't kno |
| 12:08.24 | PapaSierra | w how |
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| 13:18.11 | wincyj | hello |
| 13:18.19 | wincyj | i'd like to list out opened files using lsof |
| 13:18.29 | wincyj | but i recive output with just only dirs |
| 13:18.57 | wincyj | the name column should contain filename instaed of dirname, what do i do wrong? |
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| 13:23.27 | frankpal | why don't aptitude delete all the dependencies when you do autoclean or autoremove like apt-get does ? |
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| 13:31.27 | gribouille | hi |
| 13:32.01 | gribouille | the flash plusgin isn't supported anymore by iceweasel on jessie. what do I have to do? |
| 13:33.10 | nkuttler | gribouille: run update-flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:35.28 | L0aD1nG | ** update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 13:38.57 | JyZyXEL | in a debian system, what might spin up a hard drive after its been spun-down? |
| 13:39.04 | gribouille | ok thanks. it works |
| 13:39.57 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: not only in a debian systen just read/exec stuff on it |
| 13:40.13 | JyZyXEL | teraflops: its not mounted and it doesn't even have partitions |
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| 13:40.45 | JyZyXEL | every few days i notice that it has spun-up for some reason |
| 13:40.56 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: if you want to use pm on the hd (if it admits) set with hdparm |
| 13:41.18 | JyZyXEL | teraflops: i use hdparm -Y |
| 13:42.04 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: or set tho spin donw after i.e 5 minutes without using it |
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| 13:42.14 | teraflops | also done with hdparm |
| 13:42.18 | teraflops | to* |
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| 13:43.07 | JyZyXEL | teraflops: yeah but it would be better if it didn't wake up at all by itself |
| 13:44.01 | JyZyXEL | useless wear to wake it up for.... what ever it is that debian wakes it up for |
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| 13:44.09 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: it wont wake up itself unless you use it (read write exec) |
| 13:44.15 | anyonebutme | I have a strange problem: the computer won't poweroff, but reboot instead. when i hibernate. It did it for poweroff too, but after fiddling with all sorts of settings (bios settings mostly i think) it now just halts after giving me a "will now halt. [...]power down" but it doesn't do it on it's own. it's an HP desktop machine. has anyone experienced this sort of issue before? |
| 13:44.20 | JyZyXEL | teraflops: yet it does |
| 13:44.23 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: again, its not debian related |
| 13:44.55 | JyZyXEL | something is waking it up every few days and i'd like to know what |
| 13:45.04 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: i have several sata HD on debian machines and the disk are spinned down forever until i read data on it |
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| 13:45.25 | JyZyXEL | that would be great |
| 13:45.27 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: I wouldn't be surprised if some automounter gnome thingy or smartd woke up the drives every now and then |
| 13:45.30 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: i can assure you that fact |
| 13:45.37 | jelly-home | teraflops: server or workstation? |
| 13:46.05 | JyZyXEL | jelly-home: i have smartmontools installed with default settings, but simply queuing SMART info does not wake it up |
| 13:46.08 | teraflops | jelly-home: servers |
| 13:46.14 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: do you disconnect the drive using echo 1 > /sys/block/sdXX/device/delete ? |
| 13:46.35 | JyZyXEL | jelly-home: nope, just hdparm -Y it |
| 13:46.41 | jelly-home | that might help |
| 13:46.56 | JyZyXEL | can it be reconnected if i ever need it? |
| 13:47.11 | jelly-home | its device node disappears then, so only a scsi bus rescan wakes it up again |
| 13:47.52 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: i just use hdparm -M 128 /dev/sda for the noise and hdparm -S 60 /dev/sda for spin down after 5 minutes |
| 13:48.00 | jelly-home | (echo '- - -' >> /sys/class/scsi_host/hostXX/scan) |
| 13:48.28 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: : and it get done forever until i read from it |
| 13:48.48 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: is your installation one with GUI tools? |
| 13:48.58 | JyZyXEL | jelly-home: yeah i got xfce running |
| 13:49.10 | jelly-home | probably some weird GUI/workstation thing |
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| 13:49.51 | teraflops | jelly-home: the very moment you open thunar i think the hd spins up |
| 13:50.03 | teraflops | sorry I meant JyZyXEL |
| 13:50.08 | JyZyXEL | not true |
| 13:50.34 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: well then that's better |
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| 13:51.58 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: or some indexing service or whatever that's a workstation |
| 13:52.28 | JyZyXEL | not sure why an indexing service would touch a hard drive without partitions |
| 13:52.50 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: you didnt said it hasn't partition |
| 13:52.56 | jelly-home | to index things! duhh |
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| 13:54.08 | teraflops | so apart of trying to help we must be magicians or whatever it is said |
| 13:55.07 | JyZyXEL | magery seems to be involved |
| 13:55.09 | JyZyXEL | or ghosts |
| 13:55.14 | teraflops | heh |
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| 13:56.45 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: i think jelly's DE theory is right |
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| 13:58.35 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should set up a script that constantly checks the state of the drive and record the exact time when something spins it up |
| 13:58.57 | JyZyXEL | and then check the syslog and daemon log for what happen at that time |
| 13:59.17 | JyZyXEL | seems that it happens every few days |
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| 14:01.18 | JyZyXEL | i just knew this was going to be a problem the first time i issued hdparm -Y |
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| 14:03.30 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 14:09.36 | darxmurf | is there any possibility to scann a disk from a RAID0 to recover something ? |
| 14:10.16 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Depends on what happened, and what you want to recover. |
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| 14:13.10 | darxmurf | I just found this machine today. It was configured with one of those INTEL Rapid Array, 4 HDD in RAID(0+1). Apparently the machine crashed and during the boot the Intel BIOS said disk 0 and 2 are failed. As this machine is under waranty, they called HP, the guy arrived and said "well it's dead" and replaced the disks to reinstall the machine (windows). And now the girl gave me a call to ask me if it's pos |
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| 14:13.16 | darxmurf | sible to recover something |
| 14:13.28 | darxmurf | I plugged the disks, mdadm see a RAID configuration |
| 14:13.44 | darxmurf | and I think the RAID was ok but the technicien did not investigate |
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| 14:13.58 | darxmurf | they could have saved datas with a linux live |
| 14:14.15 | darxmurf | anyway, I think the 2 disks I have here are the masters of each RAID0 |
| 14:14.57 | darxmurf | but as they reinstalled the system, the finished to kill the possibility to recover something |
| 14:15.08 | darxmurf | they |
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| 14:17.25 | withnale__ | anyone here have experience of enabling enhanced networking in aws on debian wheezy? |
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| 14:18.52 | withnale__ | have rebuilt ixgbevf driver and put the modprobe stuff in place but it always just get the vif driver after reboot |
| 14:19.36 | petn-randall | darxmurf: If it was a RAID10, it really depends. If those two are mirrors of each other, kiss the data goodbye. If they complement each other, you might be able to recover data. Do you have backups? |
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| 14:20.28 | darxmurf | I think it was a RAID 0+1 and the 2 disks I have here are each part of one RAID 0 array |
| 14:21.10 | darxmurf | means "time to have a beer and throw away your disks" |
| 14:22.03 | andril | hello |
| 14:22.22 | darxmurf | the lady said "they died both in the same time"... I was a bit surprised and in the end I think it was really just a glitch in this shitty Intel RAID stuff |
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| 14:22.34 | darxmurf | oh and of course they don't have any backup... |
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| 14:24.45 | Iridos | darxmurf, well... then obviously they had no data that had any value and there is no problem |
| 14:24.58 | darxmurf | well yes they had :D |
| 14:25.10 | darxmurf | but now she is asking to install a serious backup system |
| 14:25.14 | Iridos | impossible... then they would have had backups |
| 14:25.20 | Iridos | haha |
| 14:25.23 | darxmurf | voilà :D |
| 14:25.26 | darxmurf | users... |
| 14:25.29 | Iridos | German has an idiom for that |
| 14:25.41 | Iridos | "to cover the well after the child has fallen into it" |
| 14:26.12 | darxmurf | well in swiss-french we probably have something similar :) |
| 14:26.56 | darxmurf | I love users for that... |
| 14:27.07 | darxmurf | "but it was a RAID" |
| 14:27.10 | darxmurf | yep... |
| 14:27.11 | darxmurf | :D |
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| 14:28.40 | darxmurf | anyway... I also had once the 2nd disk of a RAID 1 who died during the rebuild |
| 14:28.55 | darxmurf | so... I will help her for a backup system :D |
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| 14:30.15 | andril | anyway to get Gnome 3 |
| 14:30.31 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Somebody obviously doesn't understand the difference between RAID and backups. |
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| 14:33.16 | darxmurf | yep |
| 14:33.25 | darxmurf | but ppl are pretty sure that RAID is enough... |
| 14:33.37 | darxmurf | until today for this user \o/ |
| 14:34.19 | darxmurf | and honestly in this case it was totaly useless... this machine is not a server, and is not loaded like hell... |
| 14:34.41 | darxmurf | 2 good 24/7 server disks are more than enough |
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| 14:34.58 | darxmurf | anyway next time they will ask what to take ... |
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| 14:40.38 | onlylove | I've installed a jessie on vmwareplayer and backup the system as a tgz package, now I want to restore it to my laptop but when I power on it stop at initramfs,how could I repair this |
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| 14:47.20 | david89 | Hello. I have added david ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/reboot to visudo but I still get asked for a password, what could be wrong? |
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| 14:53.18 | darxmurf | david89: did you logoff logon ? |
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| 15:00.47 | Iridos | dpkg, tell onlylove about recovery |
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| 15:01.49 | Iridos | darxmurf, well, to be true, raid is mostly enough against disk failures |
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| 15:04.32 | darxmurf | Iridos: I know |
| 15:04.41 | darxmurf | but mostly... |
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| 15:05.06 | darxmurf | and in this case the raid "controler" was this Intel stuff... which is not my favourite. |
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| 15:05.28 | darxmurf | I would trust more a LSI controler :) |
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| 15:08.06 | darxmurf | oh and something different... |
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| 15:08.40 | darxmurf | is there a way to chroot ppl who connect on a server with SSH and kerberos/ldap auth ? |
| 15:09.00 | darxmurf | I can already filter the access by user and group name |
| 15:09.14 | darxmurf | but I want them to stay in their home directory |
| 15:09.42 | Iridos | well... it's obviously possible... but IIRC you can trivially break out of chroots... and it's a lot of effort and so it's not a good idea |
| 15:10.00 | darxmurf | hmm |
| 15:10.29 | darxmurf | how can I do to avoid users to list other folders and all ? with ACL ? |
| 15:11.08 | Iridos | users can't see other users directories by default |
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| 15:11.20 | Iridos | and they can/should see most of the other stuff |
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| 15:11.57 | Iridos | I don't really see the need to do that |
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| 15:12.31 | darxmurf | bah, just to keep they in a box :) |
| 15:13.14 | darxmurf | well, as they will not have root access they can't break anything but the more you restrict them the safer it is :) |
| 15:13.59 | darxmurf | but I'll check that on monday... it's now time for an afterwork-pre-week-end-beer |
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| 15:14.19 | darxmurf | :-) |
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| 15:15.36 | Iridos | that's not true |
| 15:15.44 | Iridos | I don't think much of useless restrictions |
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| 15:16.44 | darxmurf | well, in the end you are right... |
| 15:17.02 | Iridos | I mean... depends what you want/need to protect |
| 15:17.17 | darxmurf | if sensitives files are protected there is no problem to leave guys listing things |
| 15:17.18 | Iridos | but at some point probably should use SEL or so |
| 15:17.40 | darxmurf | well, it's a storage server |
| 15:17.42 | Iridos | and have someone additional employed to do all the extra-efforts connected with it |
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| 15:17.57 | darxmurf | so we will have some volumes for ppl |
| 15:18.21 | darxmurf | but with good permissions it will be ok |
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| 15:21.54 | darxmurf | well folks, have a good week end ! |
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| 15:22.03 | darxmurf | and thanks for your help as usual ! |
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| 15:29.38 | rgr | anyone have any lukc mounting a lumix dmc series camera or using ptp to access pictures? I mounted it having installed exfat utils but it fails saying the underlying file system is bigger than the device. |
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| 15:31.18 | Iridos | rgr, it's not a mount, but try the ptp interface that digikam has |
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| 15:32.11 | rgr | ok. i tried shotwell but that failed with a "-7 IO" error... |
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| 15:38.09 | floogy | Hi, I want to synchronize two computers, workstations, in case of a crash. I want to do incremental backups of the OS and synchronize a data partition eg. with unison, because it can synchronize in both directions, afair(?). What if the data volume on one side will fail? Can that lead into dataloss on the other side due to synchronisation? If so is there a working mechanism to avoid that? |
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| 15:40.12 | petn-randall | floogy: Backups and synchronisation are two very different things. |
| 15:40.46 | petn-randall | floogy: In a synchronized setup, if you accidentally delete a file, that deletion will happily propagate to the other side and the file will be lost. |
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| 15:41.59 | floogy | Yes, but it would be helpfull, if there is a mechanism that e.g. stops synchronizing if one side isn't accessable or completely wiped out. Because to rebuild the dataset out of a backup will take a long tiime eg. for 4TiB data |
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| 15:43.51 | petn-randall | floogy: If you delete file X, how shall the synchronisation distinguish between doing it by accident or on purpose? |
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| 15:44.19 | floogy | Ok, I think, synchronmization takes care if the other side isn't accessible, but is there a mechanism in case of a comlete volume deletion? |
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| 15:44.37 | petn-randall | floogy: I think you're better off treating backups (for data recovery) and synchronisation (keeping your config/data the same on two machines) as independent. |
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| 15:45.58 | floogy | Yes, of course, I'll do also backups on a NAS. |
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| 15:49.26 | LordDeath | in Gnome Shell is this allowing me to use the svga3d driver? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
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| 15:49.32 | LordDeath | somehow I get only llvmpipe |
| 15:49.46 | LordDeath | and as far as I understand that is only a CPU emulation |
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| 15:54.45 | rgr | nope. ptp doesnt work with it in digikam either. what a crock. |
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| 15:56.49 | floogy | at least: "Unison is resilient to failure. It is careful to leave the replicas and its own private structures in a sensible state at all times, even in case of abnormal termination or communication failures. " |
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| 15:58.19 | petn-randall | floogy: Right, unison is probably the right tool to keep the workstations in sync. |
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| 16:02.13 | floogy | I think I have to read this http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download/releases/stable/unison-manual.html#recon |
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| 16:14.04 | xreal | Can I apt/aptitude make download & preconfigure only? |
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| 16:14.17 | xreal | aptitude has an "-o" setting. |
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| 17:20.04 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 17:20.09 | pythonsnake | dmesg is outputting http://pastie.org/private/yd0ozbmyblmxppxurtqcnw |
| 17:20.12 | pythonsnake | is this ddos? |
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| 17:20.21 | eio | hello |
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| 17:21.32 | eio | I tried apt-get install firmware-b43-install |
| 17:21.35 | eio | er |
| 17:21.38 | eio | doesn't work |
| 17:21.43 | eio | for a macbook pro 5,5 |
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| 17:38.03 | jelly | pythonsnake: that's a very low amount of traffic to count as DoS of any kind |
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| 17:38.30 | pythonsnake | jelly: it's strange |
| 17:38.42 | pythonsnake | people on the voice server start timing out randomly |
| 17:38.48 | pythonsnake | sometimes we timeout all at once |
| 17:38.52 | pythonsnake | and get back quickly |
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| 17:41.49 | jelly | your log shows a random smattering of different protocols and ports blocked, there's no discernible pattern and not enough traffic to draw any conclusion except "you have a local iptables firewall and sometimes it blocks stuff" |
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| 17:45.06 | pythonsnake | lol |
| 17:45.14 | pythonsnake | jelly: the IPs seems to be returning periodically |
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| 17:47.23 | jelly | yes, welcome to the public internet |
| 17:47.50 | jelly | we have botnets. |
| 17:48.00 | Iridos | speak for yourself! |
| 17:48.40 | teraflops | lol i just banned the whole china CIDR |
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| 17:49.25 | teraflops | sorry if chinesse people here, no offense |
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| 17:51.34 | Brigo | teraflops, where? |
| 17:51.57 | teraflops | Brigo: iptables |
| 17:52.16 | Brigo | teraflops, in your server, i meant? |
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| 17:52.21 | teraflops | yep |
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| 17:53.04 | Brigo | teraflops, very secure, yes :) |
| 17:53.10 | pythonsnake | can a service consuming 10% cpu timeout its users? |
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| 17:53.48 | pythonsnake | i got like constant 3 load |
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| 17:54.46 | teraflops | Brigo: well at least I avoid ~400 root logins attemps for a bunch of ips every day not afraid of that but that stuff slows the server down |
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| 17:55.53 | Brigo | teraflops, what about fail2ban? |
| 17:55.57 | Iridos | pythonsnake, timeouts aren't CPU, timeouts are network or somesuch |
| 17:56.03 | Iridos | disk |
| 17:56.21 | teraflops | Brigo: i cant im a typo man so it ends on banning myself all the time |
| 17:56.40 | Brigo | teraflops, i forgot it :D |
| 17:56.44 | teraflops | heh |
| 17:56.59 | rozie | just use key based login... |
| 17:57.01 | Brigo | but only for 1 minute, not too much. :) |
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| 17:57.20 | teraflops | rozie: nah not for me |
| 17:57.30 | pythonsnake | Iridos: but high cpu usage can't make them timeout? |
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| 17:58.17 | rozie | teraflops: add exeption for you IP |
| 17:58.31 | rozie | or run ssh on non-standard port |
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| 17:59.04 | teraflops | rozie: I cant also I cant run ssh on non standar port |
| 17:59.28 | Brigo | rozie, or he can ban the whole CIDR , which is very fun! :) |
| 17:59.50 | Rydekull | teraflops: so you care about safety and ban random IPs just for fun, but wont use keys? That's not really a definition of security. |
| 17:59.56 | rozie | whatever "whole CIDR" is ;) |
| 18:00.10 | teraflops | rozie: also I cant bring with me all the time a key or certificate but thansk for the suggestions |
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| 18:00.54 | blackyboy | Which monitoring software is best to monitor VPS server's ? Want to be light weight and more informative |
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| 18:01.14 | teraflops | rozie: its not security related also I ban the whole china cidr knowing the implications |
| 18:01.25 | Rydekull | blackyboy: monitoring for what? and more informative then what? |
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| 18:01.27 | teraflops | sorry i meant Rydekull |
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| 18:03.11 | teraflops | Rydekull: so it's better to let chinesse ips try to sshing 400 times my machine because it is gross ban an entire country? |
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| 18:03.19 | blackyboy | Rydekull: We have more than 15 VPS servers every servers are Linux Based, Now i want to monitor all server from one webpage, We have http, https, redis, dns, apache, nginx, postgresql service that all services need to get monitored, and email notification want to get if something went wrong. |
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| 18:03.20 | teraflops | heh |
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| 18:04.32 | OSVG | blackyboy: You could look into nagios or bigbrother/xymon, configuration will require you to understand how they work if they are not local to you to ensure it's secure, and while I love helping people please keep in mind this is a debian support channel. |
| 18:04.53 | Rydekull | teraflops: well, if you'd use keys or whatever, that wouldnt be such an issue. And there are scripts such as fail2ban to ban those specific IPs rather. Nevertheless. Your server, your issue. But dont think you are secure just because you do that |
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| 18:05.18 | blackyboy | OSVG: okay thank you.. |
| 18:05.27 | rozie | blackyboy: take a look on Zabbix (zabbix.com) |
| 18:05.45 | Rydekull | blackyboy: Zabbix, icinga is probably worth looking at. |
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| 18:06.05 | Brigo | blackyboy, s/nagios/icinga/ :) |
| 18:06.09 | blackyboy | rozie: Rydekullthanks you |
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| 18:06.44 | rozie | teraflops: funny thing is: my atom has (had) no load issues with ssh brute forcing. it were just annoying log entries... |
| 18:07.01 | teraflops | Rydekull: i know that, im not suggesting anyone to do that also i do not want to use keys or certs sorry if my behaviour dislikes you |
| 18:07.13 | Iridos | blackyboy, yes... nagios or the spin-off icinga is probably it... although it's kind of a horrible piece of software |
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| 18:07.33 | debie | hello! with jessie.. and the desire to remove systemd. why does it seem like the choice is not really there.. eg you use gnome you use systemd, not using systemd requires a lot of fighting upstream, no? |
| 18:07.42 | blackyboy | Okay thanks all let me try to figure out how to install |
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| 18:09.25 | teraflops | rozie: well i think a bot trying login/passwd like hell acts as a DOS so you can feel the conecctivity performs slowly |
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| 18:10.14 | rozie | didn't notice andy slowdown. Atom on 100 Mbps |
| 18:10.24 | rozie | ssh on default port |
| 18:11.08 | teraflops | Rydekull: oh fair enough anyway as i said im not concerned about security |
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| 18:24.45 | socomm | Is there a recommended way to perform automatic regular os updates on Debian? |
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| 18:25.10 | croziors| | hi |
| 18:25.28 | croziors| | i have probleme php not execute in debian squeezy |
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| 18:25.31 | croziors| | my page download |
| 18:25.41 | [TheFlash] | hi, is there any way to change /bin/sh in debian? |
| 18:25.54 | [TheFlash] | if, for example, i want it to be bash or mksh instead of dash |
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| 18:26.04 | croziors| | my site in on user public_html |
| 18:26.07 | mtn | socomm: are you asking what tool to use or....? |
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| 18:26.43 | OSVG | [TheFlash]: If you just want to use bash, why not just change the shell you are using? executing /bin/bash should put you in a bash shell. |
| 18:26.45 | tremon | [TheFlash]: you shouldn't. None of debian's scripts have been tested with other shells |
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| 18:27.27 | socomm | [TheFlash]: What are you trying to do? |
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| 18:27.41 | [TheFlash] | i do that already, but i wish i didn't have to change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash in nearly every script i run |
| 18:27.43 | socomm | mtn: Yes. |
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| 18:28.03 | OSVG | Why are you changing the shell of the script? |
| 18:28.15 | OSVG | Are you having issues with sh in scripts? |
| 18:28.16 | tremon | [TheFlash]: report bugs upstream. People shouldn't be using #!/bin/sh if they don't know how to write sh scripts |
| 18:28.17 | mtn | socomm: either use synaptic, update notifier or apt-get update and upgrade. at least for stable. |
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| 18:28.18 | socomm | [TheFlash]: Its better practice to specify the correct interpreter, than assume the OS will have right shell linked to sh. |
| 18:28.43 | [TheFlash] | OSVG: of course, dash doesn't support for ((var = 0; ... )) |
| 18:28.52 | [TheFlash] | dash doesn't support anything, it's pure junk if you ask me |
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| 18:29.04 | [TheFlash] | it'd be best if i could remove it |
| 18:29.35 | OSVG | So why are you using scripts written in #!/bin/sh that contain commands that sh doesn't support? |
| 18:29.40 | socomm | [TheFlash]: dash serve its purpose - its a lightweight shell |
| 18:29.51 | OSVG | Not trying to crucify you here, I'm just trying to dig down to the root of the issue. |
| 18:29.58 | [TheFlash] | because that script was written by a fedora user |
| 18:30.07 | [TheFlash] | on fedora, sh is bash |
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| 18:30.38 | socomm | If you like you can link sh to bash, but that may cause problems .... |
| 18:30.40 | tremon | not really. On fedora, sh is bash's compatibility mode. That mode is still not sh-compatible |
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| 18:30.49 | OSVG | Ok, so you're using cross-distro scripts that break on your distro, and feel it would be easier to break all of your distro specific scripts by using a different shell by default. |
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| 18:31.18 | teraflops | [TheFlash]: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism ^ |
| 18:31.24 | [TheFlash] | i'd prefer it if my distro didn't choose anything for me... |
| 18:31.25 | OSVG | It seems easier to sed to the script or alter it in vi before running it since you know it is coming off of a different distro. |
| 18:31.48 | socomm | [TheFlash]: Linux From Scratch is an option. |
| 18:32.03 | [TheFlash] | socomm: or slackware |
| 18:32.14 | socomm | [TheFlash]: Well there you go. |
| 18:32.34 | [TheFlash] | although, a simple way to disable dependencies in debian would suffice |
| 18:32.48 | tremon | [TheFlash]: note that you can run those scripts in bash without editing them. Simply use "bash ./broken-script.sh" instead of "./broken-script.sh" |
| 18:33.02 | socomm | You are building a distro someone else built, you are going to have to put up with their decisions or build your own. |
| 18:33.14 | teraflops | [TheFlash]: yeah because of your liking |
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| 18:33.23 | socomm | Its like complaining that your car didn't come with a certain option, and wished the OEM didn't make decisiosn for you. |
| 18:33.30 | [TheFlash] | tremon: hmm... that's true |
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| 18:33.59 | [TheFlash] | socomm: but, does that option exist? |
| 18:34.09 | [TheFlash] | socomm: maybe i should read the APT documentation |
| 18:34.14 | socomm | [TheFlash]: Sure, after market parts are abundent. |
| 18:34.40 | [TheFlash] | oh... apt-get --nodeps |
| 18:35.23 | [TheFlash] | nope, that seems to be ubuntu-only |
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| 18:36.04 | [TheFlash] | why does bash depend on dash btw? |
| 18:36.09 | [TheFlash] | does it actually use it? |
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| 18:38.40 | tremon | [TheFlash]: the bash postinst has a check that /bin/sh exists, and if it doesn't, it links /bin/sh to itself. The pre-depends is to make sure that dash is already there |
| 18:39.17 | [TheFlash] | but, trying to remove dash wants to pull bash too |
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| 18:39.25 | [TheFlash] | recommends and suggests are disabled (of course) |
| 18:39.51 | socomm | [TheFlash]: You probably shouldn't uninstall dash. That may have unwanted consequences. |
| 18:40.09 | [TheFlash] | well i could try relinking /bin/sh to bash and see what happens |
| 18:40.47 | socomm | [TheFlash]: I'd recommend testing in a VM or a test environment before you start doing things like these. |
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| 18:41.07 | [TheFlash] | already done, it seems to work |
| 18:41.19 | socomm | Famous last words . . . |
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| 18:43.30 | [TheFlash] | hmm... i'm going to put it back just in case, and test in a VM instead |
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| 18:44.14 | [TheFlash] | who knows, a command might execute differently when interpreted by bash |
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| 18:44.54 | [TheFlash] | anyway, thanks tremon for the solution, i can just run the scripts with bash path/to/script |
| 18:45.09 | [TheFlash] | the first line will simply be treated as a comment |
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| 18:59.22 | RockyRoad | My every day session was in Gnome Classic mode, but today I was trying on another user account with standard Gnome. |
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| 18:59.42 | RockyRoad | In Classic mode I was able to move the mouse directly between screens, |
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| 20:05.12 | trysten | a better question might be: how should i go about switching to 64bit software? should i reinstall or can i do it with an upgrade? |
| 20:05.45 | alfred_ | Hi, I am sending mail using the gmail web interface but sending through a Debian Exim 4.80 SMTP server instead of gmail's default. It was working fine up to a few days ago using SSL. Now it fails with "TLS error on connection from mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169] (gnutls_handshake): Could not negotiate a supported cipher suite." |
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| 20:13.46 | trysten | linuxuz3r: but -force-conflicts will probably break whatever you are installing |
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| 20:20.36 | linuxuz3r | how do i make a package from a source in debian |
| 20:20.55 | lru | anyone know why Chromium is so "special" with regards to screen updates? If I grab the window and drag it around, the background windows don't update until I let go and click on them |
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| 20:21.33 | lru | correction: when I resize the window... dragging around works fine |
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| 20:25.16 | phy1729 | linuxuz3r: why would you ever need to? |
| 20:25.22 | valdyn | lru: thats probably not just chromium but your window manager |
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| 20:25.27 | valdyn | lru: which window manager? |
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| 20:27.33 | trysten | linuxuz3r: source from repositories or source from somewhere else |
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| 20:34.24 | valdyn | alfred_: debians exim4 (in the squeeze release) is linked against a libgnutls version that is severely outdated by now. You can rebuild against openssl |
| 20:34.36 | valdyn | alfred_: err, i mean, in the wheezy release |
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| 20:35.14 | valdyn | alfred_: or its probably easier to stick to what works, (ssl) |
| 20:35.38 | valdyn | alfred_: youre confused when you think you want to switch from ssl to tls, that makes no sense at all |
| 20:36.22 | valdyn | alfred_: its more probably always on ssl/tls vs. using starttls. The 2nd is not better, you dont need to switch |
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| 20:37.33 | linuxuz3r | kk thanks |
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| 20:41.40 | linuxuz3r | how do i save sessions in gnome |
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| 20:55.50 | ernetas | Hey guys. |
| 20:58.40 | ernetas | I have 2 hosts behind VPN bridge. Both have routes to the bridge a subnet from which I'm trying to access the hosts (). They both have identical ip route output. From both VPN endpoints, I can access all hosts. However, from one side I cannot access one of the two identical hosts. Any reasons this could be happening? |
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| 21:00.13 | ernetas | To illustrate the issue - traceroute: http://pastebin.com/iWhvgQhh |
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| 21:01.28 | dondelelcaro | ernetas: iptables, not responding to ping, check tcpdump output to make sure the packets are arriving |
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| 21:01.45 | dondelelcaro | ernetas: those are some basic troubleshooting tips which might tell you what specifically is going on |
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| 21:01.59 | dondelelcaro | ernetas: you should also be able to ping back out from the VPN from those hosts |
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| 21:03.45 | ernetas | dondelelcaro: what do you mean ping back out? Yeah, all hosts can reach VPN endpoints. Also, what's interesting that x.x.x.30 and x.x.x.20 can both reach (ping) the host I was running traceroutes from. So it's sending and getting ICMP packets, but not able to respond? |
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| 21:04.21 | dondelelcaro | ernetas: I mean that the host was able to ping the host that you were running traceroute from |
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| 21:05.04 | dondelelcaro | ernetas: it's possible that the host is not responding to pings, or similar; you should check iptables and/or tcpdump to make sure it's receiving the ICMP packets |
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| 21:05.24 | ernetas | Yeah, going with tcpdump right now, thanks. |
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| 21:26.13 | duglas | Running Jessie on my laptop, "systemctl hibernate" on the command line or in the menu will hibernate. How do I make it hibernate on closing the lid? |
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| 21:33.04 | N3X15 | http://ci.nexisonline.net/job/hhvm-maestro-nightly/148/console I have libmagickwand-dev and libkrb5-dev installed, and yet I still get these linking errors when compiling HHVM. Any ideas? (Jessie, gcc 4.8) |
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| 21:49.08 | shadow | I am trying to install debian on my laptop, but when I get to the end of the install where it asks me to choose a mirror, I get an error for a bad mirror and connot proceed with the install |
| 21:49.19 | Guest67397 | how do I resolve this problem ? |
| 21:49.29 | linuxuz3r | how do i search the package that is installed in my system |
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| 21:50.06 | Guest67397 | linuxuz3r: use synaptic package manager |
| 21:50.52 | Guest67397 | then click on status on the left side and then click installed and it will list everything that is install on your machine |
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| 21:51.07 | lod__ | linuxuz3r, https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages |
| 21:51.12 | chdrsto | Hi guys ... I'm facing the issue that I'm trying to build mesa and getting the error .... : Requested 'libdrm_nouveau >= 2.4.33' but version of libdrm_nouveau is 0.6 |
| 21:51.20 | lod__ | google is your friend... |
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| 21:51.29 | chdrsto | is this a known bug? |
| 21:51.39 | Guest67397 | has anyone had the issue of getting the error bad mirror when installing debian ? |
| 21:51.58 | jesty | I have installed jessie, and I want to use either gnome or xfce without systemd. Is this possible? It seems not possible for gnome? Should I focus on xfce only? how would I install/setup xfce while blocking systemd? |
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| 21:53.01 | ninjazach | jesty: Borg bsd taken over. I suggest you assimilate |
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| 21:53.10 | ninjazach | Has* |
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| 21:53.38 | jesty | ninjazach: Use systemd you say, or use BSD? |
| 21:54.21 | lod__ | Guest67397, you have a working internet connection? |
| 21:54.38 | Guest67397 | yes, i am using the live cd now |
| 21:54.45 | jesty | is it not possible to remove systemd and continue using xfce or gnome? |
| 21:55.02 | jesty | that feels.. horrible. |
| 21:55.21 | jesty | Is this the downfall of debian? |
| 21:55.32 | jesty | no more user choice? |
| 21:55.38 | lod__ | lol |
| 21:56.04 | ninjazach | The bsd part was a typo. But systemd is here to stay and I predict we see even more distributions implementing it |
| 21:56.09 | linuxuz3r | is it possible to colorize the make output in terminal |
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| 21:56.52 | jesty | ninjazach: I don't really care if it is here to stay.. so has KDE, but I don't ever use or touch KDE, and I have nothing that pressures me to do so |
| 21:57.26 | jesty | how would you go about removing systemd in jessie, while retaining/using (if minimal) desktop env? |
| 21:57.35 | ninjazach | KDE also isn't pid 1 |
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| 21:58.22 | jesty | you are avoiding the point |
| 21:58.37 | lru | valdyn: I'm using gnome, but other windows don't behave so strangely as Chromium does |
| 21:58.42 | jesty | or the goal, not sure which |
| 21:59.12 | jesty | my goal is to use linux without systemd. I would prefer to use Debian as I have for a while. can I continue to do so? |
| 21:59.18 | jesty | (without using systemd) |
| 21:59.25 | abrotman | jesty: AFAIK, Gnome3 depends on systemd in Jessie. XFCE might be able to do it |
| 21:59.31 | lru | valdyn: might just be a Chromium oddity |
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| 21:59.47 | abrotman | jesty: start with a different WM/DE, like may be LXDE, see how far you can get with the other two until it pulls in systemd |
| 21:59.52 | ninjazach | The goal is to have someone tell you how to install jessie without systemd and xfce as your de |
| 22:00.14 | jesty | ninjazach: no, my goal is to better understand how to keep systemd off, while adding what I want |
| 22:00.16 | abrotman | jesty: alternately, look at the Planet Debian posts, a few people have posted some things about systemd and how to make various things work without it |
| 22:00.19 | BadOgre | Iquit |
| 22:00.24 | ninjazach | systemd is a dependancy on pretty much every package |
| 22:00.28 | abrotman | or ignore what I say and keep arguing with ninjazach |
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| 22:00.42 | jesty | abrotman: that makes some sense. I can start with planet debian. |
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| 22:01.01 | ninjazach | Milage may vary but people are doing it |
| 22:01.10 | jesty | it sounds like there is no official support (from debian), for alternatives here.. it is up to us as users to forge the way? |
| 22:01.13 | gravy_ | Hello, I am back here again. I want to get Debian Jessie. Could somebody link me to the best ISO for my processor? http://paste.debian.net/144353/ |
| 22:01.20 | gravy_ | I am not sure myself, I would rather ask. |
| 22:01.26 | jesty | gravy_: use the same installer for wheezy |
| 22:01.28 | ninjazach | jesty: correct |
| 22:01.39 | jesty | ok, thanks for confirming. |
| 22:01.43 | gravy_ | No, I want sid... |
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| 22:01.54 | jesty | gravy_: I think you can still say "I want sid" |
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| 22:02.12 | gravy_ | jessie -> sid is more approximate than wheezy -> jessie -> sid |
| 22:02.32 | jesty | gravy_: the point is, if you get the 'installer' from sid/jessie, you are grabbing that untested installer |
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| 22:02.44 | jesty | gravy_: if you just want to install sid, use the stable installer, but install sid |
| 22:02.46 | ninjazach | jesty: I have no issue with what you are attempting. I understand. I just want to let you know that it isn't trivial |
| 22:02.51 | gravy_ | I don't know. I want sid. |
| 22:03.06 | ninjazach | And most likely unsupported |
| 22:03.10 | jesty | ninjazach: I'm here, because it isn't trivial. I've made some attempts. It is requiring I know more and more of apt's internals |
| 22:03.19 | jesty | ninjazach: thanks for the confirmations |
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| 22:03.28 | jesty | I think I'm going back to BSD |
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| 22:03.47 | gravy_ | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Which installer is the right one for my processor? |
| 22:03.47 | jesty | just sucks to have newer hardware that wants firmware from jessie |
| 22:03.47 | ninjazach | Definitely. It's just an opportunity to learn more about apt and debian :-) |
| 22:03.55 | jesty | nope |
| 22:04.03 | gravy_ | amd64? i386? I have a 64bit Intel i7 chip. |
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| 22:04.06 | nkuttler | gravy_: get the stable installer, install stable, upgrade to sid. the testing installer is to test the installer, not install testing |
| 22:04.13 | jesty | not all users have time to learn too many internals. some of us have work to do :) |
| 22:04.16 | gravy_ | oh |
| 22:04.25 | jesty | I don't mind learning and having to work, but there is a point where it is too much |
| 22:04.44 | gravy_ | https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ here right? But which do I pick... |
| 22:05.02 | nkuttler | gravy_: amd64 |
| 22:05.08 | gravy_ | Why? |
| 22:05.14 | gravy_ | It says amd, but I have Intel. |
| 22:05.15 | nkuttler | !tell gravy_ about amd64 |
| 22:05.30 | mtn | and he wants to run sid :P |
| 22:05.32 | gravy_ | Alright. |
| 22:05.37 | nkuttler | mtn: :| |
| 22:05.38 | gravy_ | Bone-edge. |
| 22:06.09 | nkuttler | gravy_: btw, support for testing/sid is in #debian-next on the oftc irc network |
| 22:06.10 | jesty | gravy_: amd64 is for the arch, not the manufacturer |
| 22:06.21 | gravy_ | Okay. |
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| 22:06.30 | gravy_ | I will put this on and go on there... |
| 22:06.51 | maziar | how to setup hbase on debian wheezy ? |
| 22:06.53 | gravy_ | Which is the perfect DVD ISO burner to do this task? |
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| 22:07.57 | nkuttler | gravy_: do you have fast network where you want to do the install? |
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| 22:08.17 | gravy_ | Yes. |
| 22:08.22 | nkuttler | !tell gravy_ about netinst |
| 22:08.28 | nkuttler | get the minimal installer image |
| 22:08.35 | gravy_ | I only have one CD. |
| 22:08.39 | gravy_ | DVD* |
| 22:08.39 | nkuttler | perfect |
| 22:08.43 | nkuttler | no usb stick? |
| 22:08.57 | gravy_ | No. |
| 22:09.02 | nkuttler | well. good luck |
| 22:09.06 | gravy_ | :D |
| 22:09.14 | gravy_ | So, which burner should I use? |
| 22:09.19 | nkuttler | for burning.. i've always used k3b, but it's been a while i've burned anything |
| 22:09.31 | teraflops | gravy_: if you wat sid there is reason for using the dvd since you need the most minimal system for upgrading to sid |
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| 22:09.47 | nkuttler | teraflops: no reason? |
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| 22:10.33 | teraflops | nkuttler: installs a bunch of packages from wheezy and then upgrading to sid? |
| 22:10.54 | jesty | If you install / setup encrypted LVM, how do you go about changing the passphrase later? |
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| 22:11.18 | nkuttler | jesty: cryptsetup |
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| 22:11.51 | teraflops | nkuttler: is there any? |
| 22:12.02 | nkuttler | teraflops: i don't know what you're asking |
| 22:12.25 | jesty | thanks nkuttler |
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| 22:12.33 | nkuttler | jesty: yw |
| 22:12.37 | teraflops | nkuttler: nkuttler: is there any? |
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| 22:12.42 | nkuttler | teraflops: any what? |
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| 22:13.15 | ShalokShalom | hi there, i want to install debian 8 kde just right now, is there a (live) iso for this case please ? |
| 22:13.18 | teraflops | nkuttler ⸠teraflops: no reason? |
| 22:13.24 | berarma | do you know where can I find a google-talk plugin package that can be installed in Wheezy? |
| 22:13.25 | ShalokShalom | a debian spin is also ok, so long as it use the stable branch |
| 22:13.40 | nkuttler | berarma: doesn't google provide packages? |
| 22:13.58 | berarma | installable on Wheezy? |
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| 22:14.05 | nkuttler | !tell ShalokShalom about debian-live |
| 22:14.06 | teraflops | nkuttler: so wtf are you asking me then? |
| 22:14.10 | nkuttler | ShalokShalom: not sure though if there is a kde flavor |
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| 22:14.34 | nkuttler | teraflops: what you said made no sense. " if you wat sid there is reason for using the dvd" |
| 22:14.47 | nkuttler | teraflops: i think you mean there is no reason to use the dvd |
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| 22:15.31 | teraflops | nkuttler: so s/wat/want? |
| 22:15.39 | nkuttler | teraflops: never mind |
| 22:15.51 | teraflops | ah uhm sorry for the typo |
| 22:15.58 | mtn | ShalokShalom: debian 8 is not released yet and is not the current stable |
| 22:17.14 | berarma | nkuttler: current packages require libc6>=2.14. It seems Google doesn't provide older packages. |
| 22:17.22 | ShalokShalom | mtn: i know |
| 22:17.46 | nkuttler | berarma: well, that's not really surprising |
| 22:17.57 | mtn | ShalokShalom: ok, it sounded like you thought they were the same |
| 22:18.04 | ShalokShalom | knuttler: 8 |
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| 22:19.07 | berarma | it's a bit surprising that I can't find an older package |
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| 22:19.17 | cat_pants | Hi folks. What happened to compiz? Did it get merged with another window manager? |
| 22:19.47 | nkuttler | !tell cat_pants about compiz |
| 22:22.01 | cat_pants | Thank you. What is a replacement window manager that has the cube feature? |
| 22:22.37 | mtn | cat_pants: kde has it |
| 22:24.56 | cat_pants | Thanks! |
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| 22:29.31 | zrafa | Hi, I have made a dvd live of my Debian system with cdbootwrite (from bootcd package). Now I want to have on that live dvd an installer as well. So I can share with my friends that live dvd I built with bootcd of my system, and then they will have some way to install that live dvd on their PCs. Does Somebody know some debian package useful to do that? |
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| 22:30.00 | zrafa | I do not want to use the debian-installer-* packages, because the idea is to install the same system which dvd has |
| 22:30.22 | zrafa | Some ideas about how? |
| 22:30.27 | zrafa | (how to do that) |
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| 22:30.58 | nkuttler | !tell zrafa about debian-live |
| 22:31.01 | brlog | I tried changing what my power button does by changing the script at /etc/acpi/ but it wasn't picked up. I want to execute pm-hibernate instead of shutdown. |
| 22:31.18 | brlog | I am on testing however. |
| 22:31.26 | nkuttler | zrafa: never used bootcd though, not sure how compatible your config will be |
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| 22:31.51 | nkuttler | brlog: did you install systemd? |
| 22:32.01 | zrafa | nkuttler: bootcd just takes your system like it is and the builds a live dvd of it |
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| 22:32.08 | nkuttler | zrafa: i see |
| 22:32.12 | zrafa | nkuttler: so it is not like debian-live |
| 22:32.21 | nkuttler | zrafa: you probably want debian-live though |
| 22:32.49 | brlog | nkuttler: I installed using jessie installer. Systemd is installed, hibernation works fine if I do it manually |
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| 22:33.45 | nkuttler | brlog: dunno, but with systemd i find it better just to remove acpi as systemd does it's own pm stuff |
| 22:33.52 | brlog | nkuttler: When I changed the script /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh it still just shut down. |
| 22:34.01 | brlog | nkuttler: I'll try |
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| 22:36.19 | nkuttler | brlog: could be systemd doing that. check man systemd-sleep as an entry point into it's entire power stuff.. only figured this out a few days ago after weeks of problems |
| 22:36.35 | berarma | brlog: see this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management#ACPI_events |
| 22:36.38 | WormFood | What is the trick to get fglrx drivers working with jessie? I have it running with the 'radeon' drivers, but 3D doesn't work. I'm using a HD 7950/R9 280 video card. It was working fine under Wheezy, but it appears that some update broke it. I've upgraded to Jessie in the meantime, hoping that would 'fix' it, but no such luck. |
| 22:36.39 | nkuttler | brlog: or ask in #debian-next on oftc, where testing support is |
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| 22:37.17 | nkuttler | WormFood: works for me with the dkms mantra |
| 22:37.21 | brlog | nkuttler: thanks |
| 22:37.53 | WormFood | brlog, do you use the non-free drivers in the debian repo, or do you download them from ATI? |
| 22:38.05 | nkuttler | WormFood: me? the packaged stuff |
| 22:38.31 | nkuttler | !tell WormFood about fglrx dkms |
| 22:38.53 | WormFood | I've tried doing both ways, but I'm suspecting that maybe leftover files from the ATI drivers (from their website), may be causing problems, but I haven't found anything to confirm that suspicion. |
| 22:39.06 | WormFood | nkuttler, I've already queried the bot, before I asked here. |
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| 22:39.35 | brlog | WormFood: I use the intel drivers, my laptop just has integrated graphics, no non-free drivers, except for network firmware. |
| 22:39.43 | WormFood | I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the input guys. |
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| 22:40.13 | WormFood | my laptop also has the Intel integrated drivers, and it works perfectly. But my ATI based desktop broke recently. |
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| 22:44.02 | brlog | WormFood: I had problems with ati an nvidia as well some years ago. The newer 2.99 intel driver doesn't crash with TearFree option anymore for me, but it is in experimental I think. I have a SandyBridge HD2000 or 3000. |
| 22:46.25 | maziar | i get this error on : java --versian" ----> "Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine." |
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| 22:47.00 | maziar | i get this error on : java --versian" ----> "Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine." |
| 22:47.17 | maziar | i get this error on : java --versian" ----> "Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine." how should i fix this ? |
| 22:47.19 | maziar | i get this error on : java --versian" ----> "Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine." how should i fix this ? |
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| 22:48.24 | ShalokShalom | hi there, i want to install debian 8 kde just right now, is there a (live) iso for this case please ? |
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| 22:48.26 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 22:49.55 | maziar | i get this error on : java --versian" ----> "Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine." how should i fix this ? |
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| 22:50.13 | mtn | ShalokShalom: did you check on http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ ? |
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| 22:50.28 | ShalokShalom | yes |
| 22:50.36 | ShalokShalom | there is just 7 |
| 22:50.41 | ShalokShalom | wheezy |
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| 22:50.46 | ShalokShalom | i can upgrade, i know |
| 22:50.52 | mtn | ShalokShalom: then I guess there is not one for testing |
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| 22:52.48 | ZombB | ShalokShalom, here you go: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:53.11 | ShalokShalom | this include gnome 3 |
| 22:53.37 | ShalokShalom | i dl the current version with kde and upgrade then to jessie, thanks a lot @ chan |
| 22:53.43 | mtn | ShalokShalom: you can choose other desktops in the installer using the expert mode or advanced, whatever it is called |
| 22:53.48 | ShalokShalom | sure ? |
| 22:53.50 | ShalokShalom | fine :) |
| 22:53.52 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 22:54.17 | ShalokShalom | what is more save ? |
| 22:54.50 | mtn | ShalokShalom: both work fine |
| 22:55.12 | ShalokShalom | dvd1 is enough ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 22:55.21 | mtn | ShalokShalom: yes, or the netinstall |
| 22:55.30 | ShalokShalom | ok fine |
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| 22:56.20 | Absalomm | my KDE somehow looks like this every time I boot up http://imgur.com/bqJ4BFB the bar should normally be at the bottom instead of the top left corner, does anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 22:57.51 | ShalokShalom | can you remove this panel ? |
| 22:57.56 | ShalokShalom | right click |
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| 22:58.42 | Absalomm | I am currently in gnome so I can't try that |
| 22:59.23 | mtn | heh |
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| 23:00.14 | Absalomm | windows couldn't even open correctly |
| 23:00.29 | Absalomm | it took the same size as the panel |
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| 23:00.42 | ShalokShalom | sounds like a bug |
| 23:00.46 | ShalokShalom | wheezy ? |
| 23:00.55 | ShalokShalom | kwin issue |
| 23:01.01 | ShalokShalom | ask in #kwin |
| 23:01.32 | Absalomm | no I am running jessie |
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| 23:02.09 | Absalomm | whoops, forgot to add that there was also a kwin bug report that came up |
| 23:02.15 | mtn | Absalomm: make a new user and see how it looks for the new user. could be a config file problem in your current user home |
| 23:02.15 | ShalokShalom | ah |
| 23:02.18 | GRMLer | i'm trying to create a debian pxe server (to boot to a pxe debian iso) |
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| 23:02.28 | GRMLer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.32 | berarma | brlog: did you see the link I posted? |
| 23:02.36 | GRMLer | i get an error when i execute # /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart |
| 23:02.41 | GRMLer | i was followign that tutorial anyway :s https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 23:02.46 | GRMLer | *following |
| 23:02.48 | Absalomm | mtn, I'll try that |
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| 23:05.20 | Szera | Hi all. Anyone have ideas for why when I set a static IP on my debian after about 5 minutes, I no longer can resolve hostnames? After doing ifdown/up it works again... but will die fairly soon. I have set nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf and I have proper IP address\mask\gateway. |
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| 23:05.55 | srg | What is in your resolv.conf? |
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| 23:06.16 | gravy_ | Wish me luck :D |
| 23:06.23 | gravy_ | wait you already did |
| 23:06.24 | brlog | berarma: I missed it. I did remove acpi and acpid and I guess I can now configure logind.conf to change the power button behaviour. |
| 23:06.29 | Szera | domain ****.com |
| 23:06.34 | Szera | search ***.com |
| 23:06.39 | Szera | nameserver 192.168.1.7 |
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| 23:06.42 | brlog | berarma: Don't need acpid events for now. |
| 23:06.43 | Szera | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:06.44 | PryMar56 | Szera, turn-off ra_accept (man interfaces) |
| 23:06.48 | srg | Szera: er, I should've old you to pastebin it. |
| 23:06.53 | srg | told* |
| 23:06.54 | Szera | >.< |
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| 23:07.27 | PryMar56 | sorry, accept_ra |
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| 23:08.17 | Szera | Yup, was going to say.. my man says accept_ra 0 |
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| 23:08.26 | Szera | can I just do 0 or false or any preference on that one? |
| 23:08.32 | Szera | PryMar56 |
| 23:08.41 | PryMar56 | yes, set it as 0 |
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| 23:09.01 | absalomm | removing the panel and placing a new one seems to have fixed it |
| 23:09.25 | berarma | Ok, that's what I sent you. They're still ACPI events even when configured in logind.conf |
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| 23:11.27 | brlog | berarma: Thanks for the hint. |
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| 23:12.52 | Szera | PryMar56, I assume that will fix it. Do you know why a router advertisement would throw off a computer with static addressing? |
| 23:13.25 | PryMar56 | Szera, no idea |
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| 23:13.37 | Abubakar-al-Fari | May Mahomet bless Jessie and all his contributors inchallah salamalekoum birds are love!! |
| 23:13.48 | Szera | Alright! Thanks tons for your wisdom :) |
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| 23:16.28 | brlog | nkuttler, berarma Thank you, it works now it seems. :) |
| 23:17.03 | nkuttler | brlog: perfect |
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| 23:20.03 | berarma | nice |
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| 23:28.53 | linuxuz3r | hi |
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| 23:40.31 | WormFood | what does "aptitude reinstall" do? I thought it would reinstall all of a package's files, but I can tell a package is missing a file, and 'reinstall'ing it, doesn't seem to do a damn thing. How do I force a package to reinstall all of it's files? |
| 23:41.05 | snadge | debian-next is invite only? |
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| 23:41.23 | ompaul | snadge: it only exists on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:41.28 | ompaul | here it is not open |
| 23:41.55 | snadge | okay cool.. im going to commit a hugely ignorant offence by asking about debian 8 eta |
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| 23:42.21 | PryMar56 | WormFood, there is also: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 23:42.44 | snadge | only reason i ask is because i have a new server being delivered in about 2 weeks.. and if debian 8 isnt too far off, maybe it might make sense to provision it with debian 8.. as its going to be running for the long haul.. several years |
| 23:42.53 | ompaul | !confmiss |
| 23:42.53 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 23:43.23 | snadge | and i would like to have apache 2.4, which wheezy doesnt come with.. at the moment im using a repo for apache 2.4 |
| 23:43.41 | ompaul | that's a bad idea if it is not a debian specific repo |
| 23:43.46 | WormFood | PryMar56, that also does not reinstall the missing file |
| 23:43.47 | ompaul | ,v apache |
| 23:43.48 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in i386. |
| 23:43.51 | snadge | it is a debian specific repo |
| 23:44.04 | ompaul | ,v apache2 |
| 23:44.05 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; sid: 2.4.10-9; jessie: 2.4.10-9 |
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| 23:44.36 | snadge | some german site.. http://www.d7031.de/debian <-- apache 2.4 for wheezy |
| 23:44.58 | WormFood | if you want apache for wheezy, try dotdeb |
| 23:45.00 | ompaul | WormFood: see the instruction from dpkg after !confmiss above ^^ |
| 23:45.04 | ompaul | !dotdeb |
| 23:45.04 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 23:45.30 | snadge | interesting.. so dotdeb is more popular than the repo i linked above? |
| 23:45.50 | WormFood | ompaul, I missed that (obviously), thanks for the info. |
| 23:45.53 | ompaul | and jessie is the way you might want to look at if the box is expected to be alive for a while |
| 23:45.55 | snadge | i think i just googled "apache 2.4 wheezy" and it was one of the first links |
| 23:46.04 | snadge | yeah at least 3 years |
| 23:46.17 | snadge | also im not frightened by systemd |
| 23:46.27 | ompaul | well you are most likely a couple of months off jessie |
| 23:46.31 | ompaul | at most |
| 23:47.08 | ompaul | so it should be fairly stable and while it won't get security packages until it is a stable release - it will get new packages when broken stuff happens |
| 23:47.10 | snadge | the actual physical hardware will be running either xenserver or kvm.. i haven't decided yet.. so maybe it makes sense to provision both wheezy and sid for testing.. and then switch to it after testing/release ? |
| 23:47.22 | ompaul | see ntp on sid within 24 hours of being ready for all else |
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| 23:47.42 | ompaul | snadge: and you can deal with the migration between both web servers |
| 23:48.11 | ompaul | kvm is 100% native to linux xen involves magic goes here kind of stuff |
| 23:48.16 | snadge | unfortunately discussing the pros and cons of xenserver and kvm is offtopic.. im going to have a job of deciding there |
| 23:48.41 | ompaul | you can go and enjoy all that testing yourself :-) remember the right way to install testing is to install stable and d-u |
| 23:48.43 | snadge | from my own perspective.. its going to be a case of.. which one is more efficient (performance) and which one is easier to manage |
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| 23:49.15 | ompaul | well the amount of changes between here and release should be minimal for a web server |
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| 23:49.41 | ompaul | at this stage it ///should/// be pretty much ok - I would do this as you are using kvm |
| 23:49.53 | snadge | xenserver gives you a pretty management utility which shows graphs of memory usage etc etc.. kvm does too, but you then need to manage the system that it runs on also.. im familiar with both |
| 23:49.58 | ompaul | I'd have two boxes one I d-u test and if it works sort out the other one getting to exactly the same patch level |
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| 23:50.32 | ompaul | that way I'd minimise the impact and get to run all the way from testing to stable |
| 23:50.45 | ompaul | in terms of deployed apps it should be more sane |
| 23:50.54 | snadge | so testing is what jessie is going to be? i forget the relationship between testing and sid |
| 23:50.58 | ompaul | but again there's that word |
| 23:51.02 | ompaul | should |
| 23:51.08 | ompaul | testing = jessie |
| 23:51.10 | ompaul | sid is nothing |
| 23:51.23 | ompaul | stuff can go in and out of SID |
| 23:51.40 | ompaul | it /// should /// stay stable in testing |
| 23:51.48 | ompaul | and there I'll leave it |
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| 23:52.19 | snadge | ok cool thanks.. i think im going to deploy a testing vm then.. and just roll with it until release, and put out any fires as they occur, im a relatively competent linux sysadmin ;) |
| 23:52.36 | snadge | i would prefer to do that, than deploy wheezy and be faced with having to upgrade it |
| 23:52.39 | ompaul | snadge: then the question should have been moot :) |
| 23:52.50 | ompaul | wanders off to burn rsync a new memory |
| 23:52.52 | ompaul | or something |
| 23:53.35 | ompaul | oh and if you have anything strange in backup requirements don't underestimate your friend and mine rdiff (in spite of it's age a good intelligent wrapper for rsync) |
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