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| 00:31.52 | chakpapa | Can someone strip this spineless motherfucker abroman off his moderator duties and ban him from the channel? He silenced me yesterday without giving any explanation and chance to appeal whatsoever. And it seems I am not the only one. A quick google reveals http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=108597 and http://rys.io/static/debian-ops-02.02.2014.log .. So the motherfucker has some history. |
| 00:32.02 | chakpapa | would be great for a free society |
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| 00:34.41 | hikenboot | hi! is there any way to bypass dns remote server address for local host and local names some how put into the resolv.conf? |
| 00:35.24 | abrotman | hikenboot: Could you not put them in /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:35.27 | hikenboot | without having to set up bind and forwarders for a couple lousy addresses |
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| 00:35.45 | hikenboot | no nslookup fails to see them properly, wine seems to have problems |
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| 00:38.59 | hikenboot | actually thanks you just made me figure it out ...the windows instance in wine must have a hosts file |
| 00:39.04 | hikenboot | thanks abrotman |
| 00:40.13 | abrotman | hikenboot: Yes, it can have one |
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| 01:05.22 | Fudster | Can anyone help me out with this? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bcZIk3TN |
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| 01:07.06 | abrotman | Fudster: 1) apt-get update first 2) use #raspbian |
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| 01:07.38 | marioxcc | Hi. |
| 01:07.47 | marioxcc | I'm doing apt-get update and I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/144837/ |
| 01:08.22 | marioxcc | It may have been triggered because I was doing an update (âuâ in aptitude) when my Internet connection failed. |
| 01:08.27 | marioxcc | What should I do?. |
| 01:08.59 | srg | I'd probably do nothing. Just re-update and see what happens |
| 01:09.23 | marioxcc | srg: Exactly the same thing. |
| 01:09.24 | srg | Does it keep happening every time you update? |
| 01:09.27 | marioxcc | Yes. |
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| 01:09.56 | srg | That was happening on the ftp.ca.debian servers yesterday, the "Translation" file failed the gpg signature check |
| 01:10.15 | marioxcc | I got this: http://paste.debian.net/144838/ |
| 01:10.19 | marioxcc | Slightly different. |
| 01:10.26 | srg | I figured the repos were out of sync upstream somewhere |
| 01:10.29 | marioxcc | (when doing apt-get update again) |
| 01:10.31 | rebauld | /ca/3 |
| 01:11.08 | srg | This just happened, marioxcc? Or did you do anything like add new keys or add a new repo or anything? |
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| 01:12.24 | abrotman | marioxcc: a) probably don't use ftp.debian.org b) try cleaning out the cached files |
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| 01:15.53 | marioxcc | The last time I saw was: (19:10:26) srg: I figured the repos were out of sync upstream somewhere |
| 01:16.33 | srg | abrotman | marioxcc: a) probably don't use ftp.debian.org b) try cleaning out the cached files |
| 01:16.46 | marioxcc | apt-cache clean? |
| 01:17.16 | abrotman | marioxcc: can you find the file on your filesystem it complains about? |
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| 01:24.36 | marioxcc | I did apt-get clean and updated again, same error. |
| 01:24.51 | abrotman | that's not what I said :( |
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| 02:12.10 | MDom515 | Can anyone help me with Debian 8 'Jessie'? |
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| 02:13.17 | chamuco | hi MDom515 |
| 02:13.21 | chamuco | what issues are you having? |
| 02:14.13 | MDom515 | Well, my issue is simple...installed AMD 14.12.1 Omega Drivers, now i have no GUI |
| 02:14.25 | Prezident | try load it with modprobe kernel |
| 02:14.29 | Prezident | try lspci -k |
| 02:14.34 | Prezident | any kernel in use? |
| 02:14.53 | Prezident | kernel module, sorry |
| 02:14.54 | MDom515 | Not sure, i am new to the linux community |
| 02:15.01 | MDom515 | :/ |
| 02:15.06 | Prezident | Try "sudo lspci -k" in terminal or console window |
| 02:15.12 | Prezident | and put on pastebin. |
| 02:15.28 | MDom515 | Im logged in as root dont need sudo lol xD |
| 02:15.39 | Prezident | Ok, forget that then :-) hehe |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | MDom515: installed how ? |
| 02:17.21 | MDom515 | Umm...lets see....I installed it through sgfxi |
| 02:18.28 | chamuco | MDom515 do you have X11 installed? |
| 02:18.45 | MDom515 | Yes but even that didnt work |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | MDom515: Eh, that script doesn't really work with Debian |
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| 02:19.43 | MDom515 | oh... o3o |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | MDom515: which card do you have? |
| 02:19.51 | chamuco | MDom515 what happens when you run startx? |
| 02:19.57 | rebauld_ | what de/wm are you wanting? |
| 02:20.15 | MDom515 | X refuses to connect |
| 02:20.17 | rebauld_ | chamuco: sounds like a fluxbox guy |
| 02:20.35 | MDom515 | And my card is AMD Radeon HD 8550G |
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| 02:20.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MDom515 about fglrx |
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| 02:21.19 | MDom515 | My card is built in the APU |
| 02:21.31 | chamuco | rebauld_ lol i do? |
| 02:21.44 | MDom515 | AMD A8-5550M |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | MDom515: Right, see the wiki page |
| 02:22.06 | MDom515 | ? |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | MDom515: see what the bot tol dyou |
| 02:22.15 | abrotman | told you |
| 02:22.51 | chamuco | abrotman I dont think the bot responded to your command |
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| 02:23.04 | MDom515 | I dont see it |
| 02:23.08 | abrotman | chamuco: yes, it did |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | It sends it in msg |
| 02:23.38 | chamuco | ah ok, my mistake |
| 02:23.45 | MDom515 | Oh hey, its on my joint list lol |
| 02:24.01 | chamuco | lol no wonder i couldnt see that |
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| 02:24.21 | ntz | hello |
| 02:24.28 | ntz | I have a little problem with shell script ... |
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| 02:24.42 | ntz | if I do in /bin/bash from the interactive shell `echo system_powerdown | nc -6U /rest/kvm_vm0/instance' it works and system_powerdown command is send to the socket |
| 02:25.15 | ntz | if I do same from the script it hangs in the nc session until the socket dies |
| 02:25.35 | ntz | it does not quit the socket with the \n like when used from interactive shell |
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| 02:26.29 | ntz | I tried appending < /dev/tty, passing -C to the nc, whatever .. it sucks |
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| 02:29.41 | rebauld_ | ntz what are you really wanting to do? |
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| 02:32.35 | MDom515 | Ok, how do i edit the config? |
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| 02:33.53 | MDom515 | I dont have a gui to use and only in terminal |
| 02:34.16 | MDom515 | Need to edit sources.list |
| 02:34.48 | nezZario | What the heck guys |
| 02:35.06 | nezZario | My audio broke on all 3 of my debian machines -- I'm running testing -- anyone have similar ? |
| 02:35.13 | nezZario | Should I be asking in #debian-testing ? |
| 02:35.22 | nezZario | Actually, that's a stupid question. Sorry |
| 02:35.41 | rebauld_ | you had the mute on? |
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| 02:37.01 | nezZario | Hah, no. I've tested with 2 pairs of speakers on my desktop and I have a laptop+netbook. They all stopped working a few days ago |
| 02:37.01 | MDom515 | Does anyone know? |
| 02:37.11 | dvs | MDom515: just use a text editor as root |
| 02:37.13 | cafuego | long weekend with public holiday? |
| 02:37.14 | phy1729 | MDom515: I take it you don't know any terminal editors |
| 02:37.33 | MDom515 | Correct :/ |
| 02:37.37 | phy1729 | then use nano; it should be the easiest to just use with no experiance |
| 02:37.40 | rebauld_ | cafuego: what holiday? |
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| 02:37.54 | MDom515 | I'm new to linux and i am running on debian jessie :/ |
| 02:37.58 | phy1729 | so env EDITOR=nano sudo -e <filename> |
| 02:37.59 | cafuego | I dunno, but that's a reason *I* would stop working |
| 02:38.11 | phy1729 | MDom515: if you're new to linux you shouldn't be running jessie |
| 02:38.19 | dvs | agrees |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | phy1729: Not sure it matters at this point |
| 02:38.43 | MDom515 | ... |
| 02:38.59 | rebauld_ | cafuego: come on you have needed an excuse before ... your conscious getting to you? ;) |
| 02:39.29 | phy1729 | looks at backlogs: ah |
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| 02:40.21 | abrotman | is pretty sure at this point, he'd put someone new to linux on Jessie, rather than go through any issues with sysvinit->systemd that might happen |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | minus security things :) |
| 02:40.55 | phy1729 | I suppose Jessie is frozen |
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| 02:42.09 | phy1729 | Wheezy is supported for 1 year after Deb 9 comes out right? |
| 02:42.21 | dvs | Deb 8? |
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| 02:42.40 | abrotman | phy1729: based on the past, yes, but that could change |
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| 02:43.18 | phy1729 | abrotman: in your entirely non-official opinion, do you think it might for wheezy? |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | sure |
| 02:43.31 | abrotman | also note squeeze-lts |
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| 02:45.27 | phy1729 | ah interesting |
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| 02:47.01 | ariscop | how do you actually cross compile something? dpkg-buildpackage --target-arch seems to be complete lies |
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| 02:49.15 | MDom515 | Looks like no module for 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 02:49.45 | MDom515 | Install completed for the fglrx |
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| 02:57.28 | themill | note that fglrx in jessie is below average quality even by the low standards of fglrx https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#gnome-fglrx |
| 02:59.06 | lzx | hi, i was doing some projects on Centos (due to the preference of the manager). but a flaw about Centos is its out-of-date packages. so a question comes to me. how debian maintains its packages and update them? |
| 02:59.43 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 02:59.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18.6-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 02:59.49 | dvs | nuff said |
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| 03:00.49 | themill | lzx: out of date doesn't mean bad. It can mean tested and not changing on you from week to week creating more work for you |
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| 03:03.28 | lzx | good point |
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| 03:29.15 | Nyctophilia | hello |
| 03:29.56 | Nyctophilia | is there a way that i can watch who is connected to my debian server in realtime (proftpd running on it) |
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| 03:30.22 | Nyctophilia | basically who is connected, what they are downloading right now and maybe the bandwidth they are using also |
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| 03:31.46 | rebauld_ | nectorinphiliac how about lsof | grep "[f]tp->" |
| 03:31.46 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: you just want this for proftp? |
| 03:31.57 | Nyctophilia | yeah |
| 03:32.08 | Nyctophilia | thats the only thing users can download from the outside |
| 03:32.10 | Nyctophilia | per ftp |
| 03:32.16 | Nyctophilia | its mainly used as NAS |
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| 03:32.31 | Nyctophilia | +how* |
| 03:32.36 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: http://www.debianadmin.com/monitoring-proftpd-server-using-phpftpwho.html |
| 03:32.41 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: that may apply to you |
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| 03:33.38 | Nyctophilia | ill try that |
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| 03:33.39 | Nyctophilia | thank you :) |
| 03:33.43 | marioxcc | Hi. I'm systematically solving all exercises in a mathematics book and I want to keep a record of my solutions. Currently I do the solving and record-keeping with Emacs in fundamental mode using plain text and some ad-hoc conventions to write formulas. |
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| 03:34.10 | rebauld_ | marioxcc: say no more -> libreoffice |
| 03:34.14 | marioxcc | What can I use that is better than this?. I was thinking of installing a Wiki with TeX support and developing/recording my proof here but that seems too heavyweight. I'd have to start and shut down the server and PHP virtual machine just to add a proof, plus Wiki software contains lots of features that wouldn't have any use here (Such as the concept of users, etc...; however, having revision is very useful). |
| 03:34.35 | marioxcc | rebauld_: Does it has a non-WYSIWYG mode?. |
| 03:34.36 | dvs | marioxcc: or tex, just like your teachers |
| 03:35.05 | marioxcc | dvs: and git, I guess. |
| 03:35.14 | marioxcc | I hadn't thought of that, hehe :). |
| 03:35.27 | somiaj | marioxcc: why not just install tetex and just use latex on your system. If you want more of an office format then yes libreoffice has a math type mode |
| 03:35.43 | somiaj | hm, guess it isn't tetex anymore, it is texlive |
| 03:36.13 | ninedragon | ##latex |
| 03:36.13 | ninedragon | lol whoops |
| 03:36.16 | ninedragon | my bad sorry |
| 03:39.16 | Nyctophilia | sorry for the noob question but does it have to be apache? |
| 03:39.24 | Nyctophilia | or will it work with ngix too? |
| 03:39.42 | Nyctophilia | nginx |
| 03:39.47 | iloveyouartanis | so i want to add kali's packages to my debian install without breaking it by like upgrading with their sources no one in the kali channel is being helpful here :-/ |
| 03:39.58 | iloveyouartanis | anyone tried to do this or know the best way to do this |
| 03:40.09 | Nyctophilia | copied it into the /var/www folder |
| 03:40.24 | Nyctophilia | restarted the server and it just says 404 Not Found |
| 03:40.25 | Nyctophilia | nginx |
| 03:40.45 | shingouz | iloveyouartanis: many have tried, none have succeeded. |
| 03:40.50 | shingouz | !frankendebian |
| 03:40.50 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 03:42.07 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: use any webserver with php support. |
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| 03:42.30 | abrotman | iloveyouartanis: that's because it will break your system, and we aren't going to help either |
| 03:43.01 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: if you are getting a 404 sounds like the php files you extracted are not in the place you think they should be. |
| 03:43.20 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: and probabaly shouldn't need to restart the webserver unless you added a new DocumentRoot |
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| 03:47.01 | marioxcc | The last line I saw was: (21:39:01) marioxcc: Do you have other suggestions?. |
| 03:47.32 | marioxcc | If I missed something relevant to my question, could you please re-post it?. |
| 03:49.08 | somiaj | marioxcc: nope, we suggested just learning tex or use libreoffice if you prefer more office like applications |
| 03:49.30 | marioxcc | somiaj: Ok, I think that I will go with Tex. |
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| 04:07.11 | Nyctophilia | somiaj: i've tried 2 differenct directories and edited the nginx config before as mentioned here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/134666/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-enable-php-on-nginx , to enable the php support - tried /usr/share/nginx/www and /var/www (which seems to be the apache directory) - but i dont have apache installed - im using the openmediavault-distribution |
| 04:07.26 | Nyctophilia | still no access |
| 04:07.28 | Nyctophilia | 404 |
| 04:07.46 | Nyctophilia | i just can't see the error |
| 04:07.52 | Nyctophilia | i know its my fault |
| 04:08.00 | Nyctophilia | but i dont know linux that good yet :P |
| 04:08.24 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: 404 isn't an issue with a php file, you should be able to see the php file despite not having php support (you'll just see the code) |
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| 04:08.51 | Nyctophilia | https://paste.ee/p/RQ3FH |
| 04:08.52 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: the fact you are getting a 404 means the file is not being found by the server. So it sounds like you are not putting it or looking for it in the right spot on your webserver. I can't say more because I don't know much about yourset up |
| 04:08.55 | Nyctophilia | thats the config |
| 04:09.20 | Nyctophilia | hm okay... - i just tried to follow the steps mentioned in multiple tutorials |
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| 04:09.39 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: where on your system did you put the php files? |
| 04:10.20 | Nyctophilia | at /usr/share/nginx/www and/or /var/www |
| 04:10.29 | Nyctophilia | tried both |
| 04:10.42 | Nyctophilia | - /var/www seems to be apache? |
| 04:10.46 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: exacttly where in /usr/share/nginx/www (what is the actual directory), can you do an ls -ld of that directory. |
| 04:11.19 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: it is just a matter of taste, either is fine depending on how you configure your system. Though putting things in /usr/share seems to be less standard that /var for this type of thing. But I haven't used nginx |
| 04:11.27 | Nyctophilia | root@NAS:/usr/share/nginx/www# ls -ld |
| 04:11.27 | Nyctophilia | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 10 04:57 . |
| 04:11.27 | Nyctophilia | root@NAS:/usr/share/nginx/www# |
| 04:11.49 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: do an ls -l in that directory, then paste me the output |
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| 04:12.12 | Nyctophilia | root@NAS:/usr/share/nginx/www# ls -l |
| 04:12.12 | Nyctophilia | insgesamt 12 |
| 04:12.12 | Nyctophilia | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 383 Jul 7 2006 50x.html |
| 04:12.12 | Nyctophilia | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 151 Okt 4 2004 index.html |
| 04:12.12 | Nyctophilia | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 10 04:57 phpftpwho |
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| 04:12.16 | Nyctophilia | oh sorry |
| 04:12.22 | Nyctophilia | wait |
| 04:12.36 | Nyctophilia | https://paste.ee/p/Ypf0x |
| 04:13.04 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: okay next, ls -l phpftpwho/ |
| 04:13.45 | Nyctophilia | thats quicker for me if its fine: http://puu.sh/fIuaJ/da5f24772c.png |
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| 04:14.29 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: what is the address you are typing in your browser. Try 'http://servername/phpwho/index.php |
| 04:14.33 | somiaj | arg |
| 04:14.43 | somiaj | http://servername/phpftpwho/index.php |
| 04:14.46 | Nyctophilia | thats exactly what i've ried |
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| 04:14.52 | Nyctophilia | 404 |
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| 04:15.06 | somiaj | what do you get if you type http://servername/ |
| 04:15.14 | Nyctophilia | my openmediavault webserver |
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| 04:15.17 | Nyctophilia | interface |
| 04:15.30 | Nyctophilia | as i said - im using openmediavault |
| 04:15.38 | Nyctophilia | its based on debian |
| 04:15.50 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: look at the file /usr/share/nginx/www/index.html (is that the file you are looking at when you go to your server, almost sounding like y oru document root is elsewhere) |
| 04:16.05 | somiaj | oh we dont' support based on debian, I have no clue what they are doing or why they are putting stuff where they are. :/ |
| 04:16.10 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 04:16.10 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 04:16.26 | Nyctophilia | oh okay.. |
| 04:16.32 | Nyctophilia | sorry for bothering you |
| 04:16.43 | Nyctophilia | but thank you anyway for the help |
| 04:16.54 | nezZario | Nyctophilia: #nginx has good support as well, it may be better to ask there. |
| 04:16.55 | Nyctophilia | i may have to find the alternative directory for the files now |
| 04:17.39 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: yea I can't say where your DocumentRoot is and how it is setup, I would ask your distro or as nezZario suggested maybe nginx can decypher your configs better than I can. |
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| 04:20.16 | Nyctophilia | made it work! |
| 04:20.36 | Nyctophilia | the default root is: /var/www/openmediavault |
| 04:21.19 | Nyctophilia | http://puu.sh/fIval/598521803c.png |
| 04:22.40 | ger1e | way to go |
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| 04:25.34 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: you should just install debian proper on that server and learn how to manage debian. Though that is if you want support by the debian comunity. (: |
| 04:25.53 | Nyctophilia | i will do so soon |
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| 04:28.02 | ImHereForTheLulz | re |
| 04:28.06 | ImHereForTheLulz | oh wait |
| 04:28.17 | ImHereForTheLulz | router just got a hiccup |
| 04:29.00 | damaya | Hey, I've set up OpenLDAP with SSH keys in CentOS before, and it's incredibly easy. I'm looking for guides to do this in Debian 7, but not finding anything. |
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| 04:29.26 | damaya | Which surprises me. Basically, I want OpenLDAP to store the user's SSH keys. Anyone know any guides on this? |
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| 04:30.18 | Nyctophilia | test |
| 04:30.37 | Nyctophilia | [05:25] <somiaj> Nyctophilia: you should just install debian proper on that server and learn how to manage debian. Though that is if you want support by the debian comunity. (: |
| 04:30.54 | Nyctophilia | i will do so soon, because obviously i am having sme trouble with my motherboard |
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| 04:31.03 | Nyctophilia | with OMV |
| 04:31.11 | Nyctophilia | cant reboot properly |
| 04:31.16 | Nyctophilia | sometimes it gets stuck |
| 04:31.23 | Nyctophilia | shutdown + WoL works fine though |
| 04:31.43 | Nyctophilia | will install debian and OMV ontop as package |
| 04:32.05 | somiaj | Nyctophilia: you are kinda offtopic. It isn't a debian support question. (: |
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| 04:32.15 | Nyctophilia | huh? |
| 04:32.25 | somiaj | well when you get around to using debian, come in and we'll help the issues you have. |
| 04:32.25 | Nyctophilia | i was not asking any question |
| 04:32.38 | Nyctophilia | you just told me to install debian |
| 04:32.46 | somiaj | yea that is offtopic, this channel is for debian support questions or discussions about the debian os |
| 04:32.48 | Nyctophilia | and i just told you why i will do that |
| 04:32.49 | Nyctophilia | lol |
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| 04:33.51 | Nyctophilia | thanks for your tip with the alternative directory |
| 04:33.57 | Nyctophilia | works fine now |
| 04:34.06 | damaya | Anyone? |
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| 04:40.25 | themill | damaya: which bit are you stuck on? (it shouldn't be any different between debian and centos although it will be different between older and newer versions of openldap) |
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| 06:22.42 | kalpu | Hi, how to get debian source-packages of all installed packages? I want to create an archive of all my installed packages. |
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| 06:25.30 | themill | kalpu: "apt-get source $packagename" will give you the source for a given binary package. |
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| 06:28.07 | kalpu | themill: thanks. Do you know how to clean the "apt-list-files" which get generated by 'apt-get update' ? |
| 06:28.33 | themill | apt-list-files? |
| 06:29.58 | kalpu | ... yeah, that's not the correct terms. Let's call it "database", somewhere in /var/cache which gets filled by "apt-get update" |
| 06:30.06 | kalpu | by the first initial "apt-get update" |
| 06:30.34 | themill | It's not really a cache; it's in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 06:31.20 | kalpu | yeah, these files I mean, is it possible to clean them up? |
| 06:31.43 | themill | kalpu: what do you mean by "clean". They're there are they're supposed to be there. |
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| 06:34.42 | kalpu | themill: I multistrap a basis of the system, then I chroot by qemu-arm and then I neet to do an "apt-get update" to do "apt-get source xy", but when this is finished, I want to get a small footprint and want to clean the cache files. |
| 06:34.58 | themill | these are not cache files. |
| 06:35.46 | kalpu | ok, whatever, these files :) |
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| 06:37.03 | themill | If you want to delete these data files then you can do so in the normal way. Just don't expect apt to be able to do anything. |
| 06:37.35 | kalpu | by the way, is there a command to get all installed packages as a clean list? I only know "dpkg -l" which produces a list but with lots of other foobar so that I have to use awk. Is there a more elegant way? Because I want to get all source packages of all installed packages. |
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| 06:37.55 | themill | grep-status -FStatus "installed" -sSource -n | cut -f1 -d\ | sort -u |
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| 06:38.46 | kalpu | themill: "grep-status" is a program? |
| 06:39.05 | themill | what else would it be? |
| 06:39.35 | kalpu | Here it's not installed, and "apt-cache search grep-status" can't find anything (debian testing). |
| 06:40.02 | themill | use apt-file for locating files not apt-cache. |
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| 06:40.27 | themill | (although apt-cache search grep-status should also work) |
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| 06:41.27 | kalpu | mhm... nope -- ... even "apt-file" can't be found here with "apt-cache search apt-file"... *damn* |
| 06:41.41 | themill | did you delete everything in /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 06:42.11 | kalpu | No, this is my work-computer here, not the targetfs I'm going to install |
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| 06:42.38 | themill | sounds like you need to apt-get update on it |
| 06:43.10 | kalpu | oh, multistrap fucked up my /etc/apt/sources.list.d :) ... and put armhf stuff in there because I set "directory= in " |
| 06:43.12 | kalpu | ... |
| 06:43.32 | kalpu | and put "arch=armhf" in there... |
| 06:44.20 | kalpu | what is the normal look of a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xy file (debian testing) with all options? |
| 06:44.50 | kalpu | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian jessie main and deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian jessie main ? |
| 06:45.01 | somiaj | !tell kalpu about jessie sources.list |
| 06:46.00 | somiaj | kalpu: that should work, though many suggest using http.debian.net over ftp.countrycode.debian.org |
| 06:47.21 | kalpu | thanks, it's up again "dctrl-tools" are installed :) |
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| 06:56.49 | kalpu | The source packages are the same for all architectures, aren't they? |
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| 07:05.25 | themill | kalpu: in stable releases and in testing, yes. |
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| 07:47.05 | RDash | When I try to open a link from an application outside FireFox (Real FireFox or Iceweasel) it just opens a new window with the start page. I did tried to look at the url handler of Cinnamon it seems to be correct. |
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| 07:47.29 | RDash | Also there is no error/message in console |
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| 08:13.37 | linuxthefish | how do i for apt-get to do something? |
| 08:13.48 | linuxthefish | i have to type "Yes, do as I say!", but i can't over serial connection |
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| 08:21.57 | GeertJohan | After a recent update (stable with some packages from testing), the rendering of some fonts in iceweasel became really anoying. no anti-aliasing I think.. Does anyone have the same problems? |
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| 08:49.44 | Th34rchitekt | Junka: aptitude install fonts-takao-mincho |
| 08:49.50 | Th34rchitekt | and restart your window manager |
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| 08:57.12 | Junka | Th34rchitekt: thanks |
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| 09:10.17 | Junka | Th34rchitekt: it did not fix it |
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| 09:13.39 | Th34rchitekt | Junka: Which window manager are you using? |
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| 09:37.43 | LordDeath | are the debian 7 packages for owncloud 8 now fine for upgrading? |
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| 09:38.00 | LordDeath | compared to yesterday I have now 24 pending updates instead of just one |
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| 09:53.48 | anonnumberanon | Hello I want to use SDL which is a multimedia library and it appears wheezy does not have the latest version. Should I switch to Sid or can I just get that single package from the Sid repository? I have never done this before. |
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| 09:55.18 | johelish | Greetings! I was going to add my pub key to our new server here at the network but this debian version doesn't create the keys in the home folder. I've located hte root key to /root/.ssh |
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| 09:55.37 | johelish | Where do I change where they keys are stored |
| 09:55.38 | johelish | ? |
| 09:55.40 | sweb | is there any standard package for http://bellard.org/bpg/ ? |
| 09:55.52 | sweb | take a look about this amazing format : http://xooyoozoo.github.io/yolo-octo-bugfixes/ |
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| 09:59.10 | TheOnlyJoey | Good day, i installed a lovely a10 tablet with debian and all is well, but there is a wrong kernel issue going on. I installed 3.16.0-4-armmp as only kernel but if i uname -a i get 3.4.75.sunxi4i+ |
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| 10:15.33 | rgr | Nothing replace it. It's still there. |
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| 10:19.46 | yang | rgr: replace it with what ? |
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| 10:24.27 | rgr | Nothing has replaced it. |
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| 10:26.11 | rgr | its realtek. maybe this helps. just a quick google. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/no-wireless-after-install-debian-linux-wheezy-4175523816/ |
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| 10:43.45 | yang | rgr: if you actually read what I wrote you wouldn't suggest such a solution, the forum suggests "linux-firmware-nonfree" or other forums suggest "firmware-realtek" none of which exist in jessie... |
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| 10:44.29 | ychaouche | Hello |
| 10:44.48 | ychaouche | I want to launch a daemon and have its error output to be appended to a log file |
| 10:44.54 | ychaouche | here's the line I tried : start-stop-daemon --start --exec "$DAEMON" 2>>"$LOGFILE" -b -m --pidfile "$PIDFILE" || return 1 |
| 10:45.13 | ychaouche | My daemon has errors but they're not appended to the logfile |
| 10:45.17 | ychaouche | any ideas ? |
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| 10:51.17 | _mel_ | Hi. can i somehow configure pptp client options to apply firewall rules per user and so on? |
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| 11:11.02 | RDash | When opening a link from an external application the page wont load in FireFox/Iceweasel instead of the clicked link it will load the default home page. Any one available to debug this? |
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| 11:13.49 | xreal | Which package contains fstrim ? |
| 11:14.13 | xreal | ah util-linux |
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| 11:14.33 | xreal | nope :D |
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| 11:15.38 | zwarag | I have a webshop (magento) running on a debian webserver and since I indirectly handle CC-data, I had to make a third party scan my server. Now they tell me that I am using a PHP and Apache version that is to old and therefore, vurnerable against some exploits ( CVE-2014-8626 for example ). |
| 11:15.40 | d3lphi | hey all. I just installed owncloud8 as dscribed on the owncloud website, through apt-get in Debian and the sources.list provided by owncloud. I wonder why the system tries to uninstall all my owncloud packages when I try to remove "sqlite" or "postgresql" although I am *NOT* using these backend. I have configured mysql and use it. What am I doing wrong? |
| 11:16.13 | zwarag | I allways had debian security repos in my apt.source and I thought that fixes would be patched into older versions. Am I wrong? |
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| 11:16.55 | RDash | zwarag, what is the IP? |
| 11:17.12 | zwarag | Sorry but I'm not giving that information away. |
| 11:17.18 | RDash | Damn.... |
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| 11:18.06 | zwarag | I can say I run debian stable with security repos enabled. |
| 11:18.24 | d3lphi | zwarag: RDash have asked you which security repo you are using |
| 11:18.26 | d3lphi | ;) |
| 11:18.30 | RDash | xD |
| 11:18.32 | zwarag | ohh |
| 11:18.33 | zwarag | ok |
| 11:18.36 | d3lphi | not the IP of your server |
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| 11:18.59 | zwarag | security.debian.org wheezy/updates main |
| 11:19.36 | zwarag | which is: 212.211.132.32 |
| 11:19.50 | d3lphi | RDash it's ur turn ;) |
| 11:20.25 | RDash | zwarag, I would say: use NGINX from the nginx repo :) |
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| 11:22.18 | RDash | zwarag, other wise: Have you tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? |
| 11:22.27 | RDash | other wise: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:22.28 | pipl | RDash: are you suggesting that nginx should be favored over apache ? |
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| 11:22.58 | RDash | pipl, in generally yes: Lower server load, faster, easyer to learn, low maintenance and blazing speeds |
| 11:23.01 | zwarag | RDash: I understand that your proposal might be an option. But I besides the fact that I would like to stay with apache since everything here runs on apache and I am not the only one configuring stuff. I need to know that debian stable is still putting in security fixes in old versions of software they distribute over theyr stable repos. |
| 11:23.18 | RDash | zwarag, they are |
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| 11:23.26 | RDash | zwarag, you need to update your distribution |
| 11:23.38 | RDash | zwarag, or dist-upgrade |
| 11:23.56 | zwarag | RDash: yes, dist-upgrade and upgrade are all done |
| 11:24.12 | zwarag | Let me explain this point different. |
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| 11:25.52 | zwarag | In the mail I got they wrote that my apache version is 2.2.22 (which is right and also the one distributed over the stable debian repo). And I would need to upgrade to 2.2.25 to not be vurnerable to following CVEs: CVE-2013-1896 and CVE-2013-1862) |
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| 11:26.24 | zwarag | if you look at the CVE, they have been discovered in 2013. It can't be that debian mantainers have not put in a fix for this vurnerabilities yet. |
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| 11:27.05 | RDash | zwarag, just checked and exploited my own server, it is patched here and it is running wheezie :) |
| 11:27.12 | RDash | although I compile Apache there my self |
| 11:27.29 | zwarag | what version of apache did you compile? |
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| 11:27.38 | RDash | 2.4 |
| 11:27.42 | zwarag | and how do you check for exploits on your server that fast? |
| 11:27.43 | RDash | latest \o/ |
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| 11:28.03 | RDash | zwarag, I got my own secrets ;) |
| 11:28.19 | RDash | zwarag, easyest solution is to download/upgrade apache from backports |
| 11:28.20 | zwarag | ok |
| 11:28.27 | RDash | there it seems to be patched too |
| 11:28.31 | ChrisH | RDash: if you compile apache tyourself, then you are responsible for upgrades. check https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-1896 and fond the patched versions for debian |
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| 11:28.51 | RDash | ChrisH, I am aware of that :) |
| 11:29.08 | ChrisH | RDash: quick google search: CVE-2013-1896 debian first match. |
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| 11:29.24 | RDash | ChrisH, I do not use google and zwarag is the one that needs help :P |
| 11:29.28 | ChrisH | RDash: mixup up nicks |
| 11:29.42 | zwarag | ChrisH, ohh that is a nice website, thank you very much. I'm just going to check the list of cve i got from the third party to the one that stands in the website you posted and send them en excel list. |
| 11:29.42 | RDash | ChrisH, np :P |
| 11:29.43 | ChrisH | zwarag: check https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-1896 (quick google search: CVE-2013-1896 debian first match) |
| 11:30.13 | RDash | ChrisH, could you explain him how to execute apt-get update && apt-get upgrade / |
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| 11:30.21 | zwarag | ChrisH: I didn't know I can do that. But that is more or less exacly what I need. Thank you. |
| 11:30.24 | pipl | zwarag: debian changelog for stable apache already has those CVE patched. |
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| 11:31.42 | ChrisH | zwarag: keep your stable system up-to-date using apt tools and you should get all security updates. But keep in mind, that debian does backport the fixes and not use a newer upstream version. |
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| 11:32.25 | zwarag | ChrisH: Yeah, that is what I assumed, I just needed a way to argument this to the third party |
| 11:32.32 | zwarag | Thans to the link I can now |
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| 11:32.57 | zwarag | I am up to date with my apt tools and have security repository of wheezy stable in my source list |
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| 11:40.02 | xreal | Adding a frontend to my installation string gives an error. How can I do it the correct way? APTINSTALL="DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get --force-yes -y --no-install-recommends install"; $APTINSTALL console-setup |
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| 11:42.04 | mjt | is there a way to see why apt wants to upgrade some other packages when I tell it to install another? I mean, to see which deps it is processing? |
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| 11:47.44 | themill | mjt: aptitude's -W -D help with that but you might get different results in any case |
| 11:48.08 | mjt | damn I don't have it installed :) |
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| 11:53.52 | Savemech | guys how i could slow down my rsync to use only 90 mbit/s of bandwith? |
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| 11:58.44 | mjt | heh. So, I've packages A and B to upgrade. When I tell apt to upgrade just A, it wants to upgrade B (as a dependency) and a bunch of other packages as well. But when I ask it to upgrade just B, it upgrades only B and A (as a dependency). Lovely. |
| 11:58.47 | caraconan | Hi there. I successfully installed SUN java SDK through java-package. My problem now is that /etc/profile.d/jdk.* files apparently were not updated as well, so JAVA_HOME are still pointing to old JRE. Should I edit this file directly? There's any other solution? Thanks |
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| 11:59.04 | sopparus | Savemech, rsync --bwlimit=5000 |
| 11:59.08 | sopparus | is 5MB/s |
| 11:59.09 | sopparus | I think |
| 11:59.15 | Savemech | oh ty |
| 11:59.28 | Savemech | my google wont help me today |
| 11:59.51 | mjt | maybe reading manpage helps better? man rsync, search for "bandwidth" ? :) |
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| 12:00.40 | mjt | I wonder if world will die if google becomes unavailable for some reason... ;) |
| 12:01.23 | Savemech | then there is no reason to sit and reading manpages, i will take my SAIGA and pwn some turds coming my house |
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| 12:17.36 | volter | Hello! |
| 12:17.53 | volter | I tried to virt-install Jessie using a preseed file. |
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| 12:19.02 | volter | It failed to boot, stopping at "Loading initramfs ..." and I couldn't really get any more information then that. I then virt-install Wheezy using the same preseed and that works. |
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| 12:19.24 | volter | If I dist-upgrade Wheezy, it also fails to boot. |
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| 12:20.26 | volter | What could be wrong? |
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| 12:26.52 | volter | It turns out it has to do with systemd. Booting the Jessie kernel with sys-v init succeeds. |
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| 12:36.51 | volter | And it turns out that the problem is connected to using the serial console through virsh. |
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| 12:52.38 | ychaouche | I think the redirection I'm doing is performing on the start-stop-daemon command itself, not the script it runs. |
| 12:52.51 | ychaouche | I'm describing my problem here if anyone wants to help http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=120378&p=568778#p568778 |
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| 13:09.29 | zxd | hi |
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| 13:10.20 | zxd | what tool is there to investigate apache log files, need statistics about number of requests per IP and type of requests, to for example block an IP which is doing wrong things or too many requests |
| 13:10.27 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 13:11.07 | Twinkletoes | zxd: Will CSF/LFD work for you? |
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| 13:11.20 | Twinkletoes | zxd: or perhaps fail2ban, although Ihavent' looked at that in years |
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| 13:12.11 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
| 13:12.27 | zxd | Twinkletoes: just need a small tool not a whole firewall... |
| 13:12.58 | jomofcw | I shall miss use the find command... in fact I do a "find . .htaccess" to find all the htaccess in the local directory and its subdirectory, but it just list all the files in it, not only the htaccess :/. What's wrong please ? |
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| 13:14.48 | salamisami | Hello, I have a problem, I can't unload a kernel module acpi_cpufreq, if i try modprobe -r i get "module acpi_cpufreq is in use", |
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| 13:19.10 | jomofcw | The correct syntaxe is "find . -name .htaccess" |
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| 13:34.33 | RDash | There is some annoying bug with my browser, every time I open a link from icedove or IRC or w/e it opens the firefox home page and _not_ the link I actually clicked. |
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| 13:36.31 | pansophical | do I need some special driver for my video card |
| 13:36.40 | pansophical | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 13:36.41 | pansophical | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 13:37.09 | hassoon | pansophical: can you run graphical stuff fine ? |
| 13:37.24 | hassoon | pansophical: Is the open source default driver running fine ? |
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| 13:38.13 | hassoon | pansophical: get mesa-utils package, then run glxgears, and see how smooth/good those 3D objects circle |
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| 13:38.19 | RDash | right some one just joins and gets helped straight away : / |
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| 13:38.35 | hassoon | RDash: What's up dear ? |
| 13:38.44 | tau | hello. i'm trying to set up wireless on my debian, i have the wicd package installed as well as the wicd-gtk package installed. |
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| 13:39.03 | tau | which other packages do i need to install in order to have the wireless working on linux? |
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| 13:39.36 | RDash | hassoon, when I open a link on IRC to Iceweasel it simply loads nothing until I type/copy the link in it. |
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| 13:41.08 | hassoon | RDash: right click -> open link |
| 13:41.18 | hassoon | RDash: whta is your client |
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| 13:43.03 | confrey | hi everybody, just installed debian8, Iìd like to use compiz, is there a way to install it from snapshot automatically, resolving dependencies? |
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| 13:43.49 | abrotman | confrey: compiz is dead |
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| 13:44.16 | hassoon | abrotman: really? :o |
| 13:44.27 | confrey | abrotman: yes, but I like ghosts.... :) |
| 13:44.35 | hassoon | abrotman: d'oh, just thought he is a folk in #debian |
| 13:44.53 | abrotman | confrey: well, you can try anything you like, though it was removed from Debian to resolve various bugs |
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| 13:47.50 | Busserl | tau: I am on Jessie and the installer setup /etc/network/interfaces for me, and after that I installed network-manager and nm-applet. |
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| 13:49.19 | RDash | hassoon, fel asleep sorry |
| 13:49.34 | RDash | hassoon, I use XChat but also happens by any other client/program |
| 13:49.35 | hassoon | RDash: haha..ar you in the far east? |
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| 13:49.40 | RDash | hassoon, no Netherlands |
| 13:49.42 | hassoon | or australia or something ? |
| 13:49.50 | hassoon | why falling asleep then haha |
| 13:49.53 | RDash | hassoon, had a premature burnout yesterday |
| 13:50.07 | hassoon | what is a premature burnout |
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| 13:50.21 | RDash | a step before actually having a burnout |
| 13:50.34 | hassoon | RDash: did you try my suggestion ? |
| 13:50.39 | hassoon | what kind of steps |
| 13:50.54 | hassoon | meh i'm not into opening goldendict |
| 13:51.04 | RDash | hassoon, right click > open link produces same problem |
| 13:51.17 | tau | busser i see. |
| 13:51.26 | hassoon | RDash: can you browse the web in the browser ? |
| 13:51.30 | RDash | hassoon, yes |
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| 13:51.41 | hassoon | austin_laptop: busser? |
| 13:51.43 | tau | busser so all what i need is installing network-manager ? |
| 13:51.44 | hassoon | tau: * |
| 13:51.54 | hassoon | my bad.. |
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| 13:52.03 | hassoon | things are strang today |
| 13:52.21 | hassoon | RDash: okey, i'll install xchat and try the thing wit h you |
| 13:52.27 | RDash | hassoon, |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:52.28 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:52.47 | RDash | hassoon, it happens with every thing: Icedove, Steam, Thunderbird, HexChat, Terminal |
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| 13:53.25 | RDash | hassoon, and it is hexchat not xchat :P |
| 13:53.38 | tau | okay |
| 13:53.40 | tau | i'll try |
| 13:53.46 | hassoon | RDash: try anohe browser, iceweasel opens up lnks fine for me |
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| 13:54.01 | RDash | hassoon, I tried: Chrome, FireFox (Real one) and iceweasel |
| 13:54.10 | hassoon | omg.. |
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| 13:54.30 | RDash | hassoon, it has to do with url handling I gues *shrugs* |
| 13:54.42 | RDash | hassoon, is there a way to edit them for cinnamon? |
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| 13:57.05 | hassoon | !xdg-open |
| 13:57.13 | hassoon | dpkg: xdg-open |
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| 13:58.08 | hassoon | dpkg: xdg-utils |
| 13:58.08 | dpkg | hassoon: are you using Windows? |
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| 13:58.35 | doev | I just setup apt-cache-ng on a server. while on the first host apt-get-update works ok, I get on another host some INVALID HEADERS for different repositories. What can I try now? |
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| 13:59.44 | RDash | hassoon, same issue when I am using: xdg-open http://debian.org |
| 13:59.44 | hassoon | RDash: try getting the package xdg-utils |
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| 14:00.26 | hassoon | RDash test it after getting xdg-utils , not sure if it's the solution, anyway let's see |
| 14:00.30 | RDash | hassoon, xdg-utils is already the newest version. |
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| 14:00.39 | RDash | ^^ |
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| 14:00.40 | hassoon | ah |
| 14:01.02 | RDash | xdg-utils 1.1.0~rc1+git20111210-7.3 |
| 14:01.14 | RDash | thats the version I have installed :) |
| 14:01.19 | RDash | on Debian Jessie :) |
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| 14:03.41 | hassoon | rd what is you rDE |
| 14:03.44 | hassoon | *DE |
| 14:03.48 | hassoon | RDash: * |
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| 14:03.59 | edoardo | hello |
| 14:04.03 | hassoon | edoardo: hi |
| 14:04.16 | RDash | hassoon, cinnamon |
| 14:04.18 | edoardo | i have an headless debian machine and i can't get wireless to work |
| 14:04.37 | edoardo | the integrated ethernet works fine, but any usb wireless interface i tried didn't work |
| 14:04.47 | edoardo | ifconfig shows only eth0 and loopback |
| 14:04.53 | edoardo | iwconfig shows nothing |
| 14:05.04 | edoardo | lsusb shows the wireless interface |
| 14:05.16 | edoardo | where do i start troubleshooting? :) |
| 14:06.21 | edoardo | hmm, lsmod shows that the module isn't loaded |
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| 14:07.06 | hassoon | RDash: i hope this will help http://askubuntu.com/questions/540939/xdg-open-only-opens-a-new-tab-in-a-new-chromium-window-despite-passing-it-a-url |
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| 14:08.09 | RDash | hassoon, I tried to google this issue and ended on Windows XP issue's :D |
| 14:08.15 | RDash | hassoon, ill keep you posted :) |
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| 14:08.50 | hassoon | RDash: i googled for thigns like xdg-open can't open urls, and i got many linux-related results |
| 14:08.58 | hassoon | *things* |
| 14:09.08 | RDash | hassoon, nice |
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| 14:09.41 | hassoon | RDash: i'm writing a lil' brightness script, will keep up with you soon later |
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| 14:15.52 | done | hello |
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| 14:16.11 | done | i was installing debian yesterday and upgraded to 8.0 |
| 14:16.27 | stwange | anyone know offhand which package (if any) provides vdm.sqlalchemy for python? I've tried python-sqlalchemy but it's not that one. Trying to install ckan for my sins |
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| 14:18.57 | done | used kernel 3.16 |
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| 14:19.16 | centrx | Indeed |
| 14:19.17 | done | and still getting the "install wheezy" icon on mate after everything was set on the deive |
| 14:19.25 | done | that was perfect |
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| 14:19.37 | done | drive* |
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| 14:20.12 | centrx | stwange, If vdm.sqlalchemy is not part of regular sqlalchemy, you can install it with pip |
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| 14:21.29 | stwange | perfect, thanks centrx |
| 14:21.39 | WangDang_ | Hi, does anyone know what apache-ant is? I can't find a deb with that name. It's a requirement for installing adempiere http://www.adempiere.com/System_Requirements |
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| 14:22.07 | pfote | ant is a build tool |
| 14:22.13 | centrx | WangDang_, Package name is just "ant" |
| 14:22.41 | WangDang_ | cool, thanks, I'll look for just ant |
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| 14:25.50 | sydney | What is a decent software center for debian jessie? |
| 14:26.00 | sydney | I have a very big hate for ubuntu at the moment. |
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| 14:26.09 | sydney | And hate dumping new people on ubuntu. |
| 14:26.10 | edoardo | sydney: synaptic? |
| 14:26.16 | sydney | Beside synaptic? |
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| 14:26.30 | edoardo | software-center? |
| 14:26.37 | sydney | its only in wheezy. |
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| 14:26.56 | sydney | Synaptic would work, probably. |
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| 14:27.24 | abrotman | sydney: Jessie has software-center |
| 14:27.24 | sydney | Is there and updating "daemon" kinda like ubuntu's on debian? |
| 14:27.28 | hassoon | isn't synaptic a front-end to apt-get/aptitude/dpkg ? |
| 14:27.31 | abrotman | and yes, there's a daemon also |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | judd: versions software-center |
| 14:27.43 | judd | Package: software-center on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.7debian7; wheezy: 5.1.2debian3.1 |
| 14:27.43 | sydney | Where? I cannot seem to dig it up? |
| 14:27.50 | abrotman | oh, removed! \o/ |
| 14:27.54 | sydney | yep. |
| 14:28.01 | abrotman | sydney: so try the GUI for aptitude, it has a GTK version IIRC |
| 14:28.11 | abrotman | but yes, unattended-upgrades should still exist |
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| 14:28.19 | abrotman | judd: versions unattended-upgrades |
| 14:28.20 | judd | Package: unattended-upgrades on i386 -- squeeze: 0.62.2; wheezy: 0.79.5+wheezy1; sid: 0.83.3; jessie: 0.83.3 |
| 14:28.30 | pansophical | hassoon: everything runs seemingly fine, but some guys from qt told me that the bugs that I'm experiencing could be due to some opengl/card issue |
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| 14:29.01 | hassoon | bugs of what ? |
| 14:29.09 | hassoon | a mere singel qt app ? |
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| 14:29.13 | hassoon | *single* |
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| 14:29.26 | pansophical | hassoon: glxgears seem to be running ok |
| 14:29.42 | pansophical | sec |
| 14:29.46 | hassoon | pansophical: what about glxgears |
| 14:29.54 | hassoon | glxgears is like a lucid dream |
| 14:30.19 | pansophical | http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2850-36.html |
| 14:30.19 | pansophical | http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2850-37.html |
| 14:30.47 | hassoon | an what's that |
| 14:30.50 | hassoon | and * |
| 14:31.18 | pansophical | artifacts in the fonts |
| 14:31.28 | pansophical | while all other fonts everywhere seem ok |
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| 14:31.57 | sydney | abrotman: Ok, i will look. thanks :) |
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| 14:32.58 | sydney | aptitude gtk? |
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| 14:33.19 | deepblue | how to check if irexec daemon is started and running? |
| 14:33.28 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:33.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:34.18 | sydney | I dont see a GTK version. |
| 14:34.39 | abrotman | sydney: apparently removed also .. |
| 14:34.45 | abrotman | goes to debtags ... |
| 14:34.50 | RDash | Vegeta_, you were bloody close :P |
| 14:35.22 | Vegeta_ | RDash: how did things go |
| 14:35.25 | sydney | abrotman: So, you install unattended upgrades and it does the rest in the background? |
| 14:35.32 | sydney | Or is there anythign to configure? |
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| 14:36.11 | RDash | Vegeta_, it was my own mistake eventually, I figured I had pointed it out at the wrong location all the time. Yes it DID started Firefox but launched the wrong executable :P |
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| 14:36.32 | edoardo | so i'm compiling a kernel for arm my system |
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| 14:36.46 | edoardo | after i put it on the board, how can i compile modules for it? |
| 14:36.47 | abrotman | sydney: I'm trying to find the front-end for you .. |
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| 14:37.04 | sydney | abrotman: Ok. |
| 14:37.20 | RDash | hassoon, it happened because I cleanly installed it under a different dir and forgot to remove it :P |
| 14:37.22 | sydney | Good grief, i was hoping for something that you install and its done. hehe. |
| 14:37.30 | sydney | I dont mind it myself. |
| 14:37.39 | sydney | but if i do it to a friend. |
| 14:37.40 | RDash | hassoon, which also loaded the 'old' mime types :P |
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| 14:38.03 | hassoon | RDash: I see, the problem is pretty similar to that dude in that dude in the forum |
| 14:38.08 | hassoon | glad you figured it out \o/ |
| 14:38.12 | edoardo | ls |
| 14:38.15 | RDash | hassoon, nop |
| 14:38.18 | edoardo | oh wrong window |
| 14:38.18 | hassoon | omg |
| 14:38.27 | RDash | hassoon, I simply forgot to point out to the correct executable :P |
| 14:38.28 | hassoon | * to that dude's in the forum* |
| 14:38.44 | RDash | and remove the cache of the mime types :p |
| 14:38.53 | hassoon | RDash: he taking about path/pointing thingy there |
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| 14:39.11 | RDash | hassoon, no he was talking about the executable flag %u |
| 14:39.21 | RDash | it was capitalized and should not been capitalized :P |
| 14:39.22 | abrotman | sydney: adept or synaptic, unfortunately |
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| 14:39.32 | RDash | for me it was a directory mistake \o/ |
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| 14:40.01 | hassoon | ah |
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| 14:40.42 | sydney | abrotman: Ok. :( Thanks for your time. |
| 14:40.56 | abrotman | sydney: They'll work well enough, just thought there were more optoins these days |
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| 14:41.07 | sydney | Yeah... |
| 14:41.24 | xreal | Anyone with an idea, why grub doesn't use UUIDs? See here: http://pastie.org/pastes/9934992/text |
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| 14:42.36 | ntz | hello |
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| 14:45.04 | eeezkil | what is linux-vdso.so.1 for? |
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| 14:45.31 | abrotman | eeezkil: find out which package it belongs to, read the package description |
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| 14:46.29 | eeezkil | abrotman: how? |
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| 14:48.16 | mtn | eeezkil: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 14:49.01 | eeezkil | mtn: thank you |
| 14:49.32 | WormFood | what dev package(s) do I need to install, to make LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo give me useful information? |
| 14:49.51 | duggles | eeezkil: linux-vdso is a kernel library that deals with the dynamic shared objects (DSO) |
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| 14:50.29 | duggles | have a look at http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/vdso.7.html or similar |
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| 14:52.03 | WormFood | eeezkil, use dpkg with the -S option, to find out what package owns a particular file. |
| 14:52.17 | eeezkil | duggles,WormFood ty ;) |
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| 14:53.45 | WormFood | I bet abrotman has the answer to my question off the top of his head. |
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| 14:57.15 | abrotman | WormFood: que? |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eeezkil about apt-file |
| 14:57.59 | WormFood | what dev package do I need to install, to make LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose give me some information? |
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| 15:00.06 | pansophical | abrotman: ty, but why does it need curl to work? |
| 15:00.26 | abrotman | pansophical: who wha? apt-file ? |
| 15:00.33 | pansophical | yes |
| 15:00.54 | abrotman | it downloads the file lists from a server .. it needs the ability to update, so it's curl or wget (or some internal thing) |
| 15:01.10 | abrotman | WormFood: oh, look for a libgl-dbg |
| 15:01.25 | abrotman | WormFood: apt-cache -- search -dbg | grep -i GL |
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| 15:01.45 | abrotman | WormFood: just a hunch |
| 15:02.48 | WormFood | thanks abrotman, it looks like that will put me on the right track. |
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| 15:03.58 | WormFood | I have a suspicion that libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg has what I want. |
| 15:04.11 | abrotman | Yeah, I can't get more specific than that .. good luck |
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| 15:09.49 | viccuad | Hello. How do the packages migrate from experimental to sid? do they need to get nitpicked by DDs? thanks in advance |
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| 15:10.21 | centrx | viccuad, Yes, it is manual. There is no "migration" from experimental to sid per se. |
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| 15:11.08 | viccuad | centrx: thanks. Is there a fixed critera for that, or is just at the DDs discretion? |
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| 15:11.50 | centrx | viccuad, experimental is like a staging/collaboration/experimental area for development, when it is known that the package has problems or may have problems |
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| 15:12.27 | centrx | viccuad, Some packages/developers don't use experimental, they just put reliable versions in unstable |
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| 15:12.58 | centrx | viccuad, Other packages like, say, Gnome, are big and complicated and need more testing |
| 15:13.28 | viccuad | centrx: that's a good way to explain it, better than the debian handbook http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
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| 15:45.42 | shay_shay | good riddance crunchbang! |
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| 15:55.48 | marioxcc | Hello. What are the available images to instal Debian 8?. |
| 15:56.12 | marioxcc | The weekly builds?. Is that the preferred means to install Debian 8? |
| 15:56.48 | centrx | marioxcc, Use the Debian Installer Release Candidate - https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:57.09 | centrx | marioxcc, RC1 |
| 15:57.39 | marioxcc | centrx: Ok, thanks. Is that the latest released image? |
| 15:57.50 | centrx | marioxcc, The other method is to install Debian 7/wheezy and upgrade from there, but now that the installer is at RC stage, it should be pretty reliable |
| 15:57.51 | gchristensen | Hi, I would like to be able to compile static versions of a package in the apt repo (specifically `libatlas'). is there a way to do this via deb-src or anything? or am I on my own? :) |
| 15:58.27 | centrx | marioxcc, You can use the latest weekly snapshot if you want, may not be reliable. RC 1 is the latest "release" yes |
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| 15:58.53 | aborrero | gchristensen: you are bounded to how the maintainer developed the package, which is likely to be a shared library |
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| 15:59.06 | marioxcc | centrx: Ok, thanks. |
| 15:59.11 | gchristensen | I thought so, ok |
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| 16:07.52 | ntz | can anybody help me with setting up the bridge ? |
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| 16:10.54 | ntz | http://susepaste.org/view/raw/87987702 |
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| 16:11.16 | ntz | ^^ I just commented out those two addresses and after ifdown/ifup br1 it says that |
| 16:11.29 | ntz | I need the br1 up but with no address |
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| 16:12.13 | ntz | because there are VMs using that bridge so I don't need an address on bridge itself .. how should it please look like that the bridge gets up but with no address ? |
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| 16:12.53 | centrx | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Bloukrans_Bridge-001.jpg |
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| 16:13.19 | duggles | ntz: iirc just doing 'ifconfig br0 up' should bring the bridge up |
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| 16:13.39 | duggles | ifup/ifdown do extra things compared to ifconfig |
| 16:14.52 | duggles | if the bridge doesn't actually exist (as in you haven't restarted since you last set up the interfaces file) you will have to add the bridge using 'brctl addbr br0' |
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| 16:15.58 | dondelelcaro | ntz: you've told the bridge that it's being configured with dhcp, not manually |
| 16:16.09 | dondelelcaro | ntz: so if you don't want it to have an address, then it shouldn't be configured with dhcp. |
| 16:16.21 | dondelelcaro | ntz: man bridge-utils-interfaces; for details |
| 16:17.25 | dondelelcaro | (frankly, I've no idea how well dhcp will work on a bridge interface; you could get very surprising results0 |
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| 16:19.07 | dondelelcaro | ntz: and for the second bridge, if you don't want it to have an address, it should be type manual, not type static. |
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| 16:32.23 | ntz | dondelelcaro: sorry, I'm back |
| 16:32.32 | ntz | no, that bridge ain't configured at all |
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| 16:32.44 | ntz | only what it needs is that it's up |
| 16:32.48 | ntz | and with no ip address |
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| 16:33.33 | dondelelcaro | ntz: so you want iface br0 manaul |
| 16:33.39 | ntz | thanks !!! |
| 16:33.40 | ntz | great |
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| 16:33.43 | dondelelcaro | well, with proper spelling of manual, of course. |
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| 16:34.39 | ntz | thanks, it was exactly that |
| 16:34.50 | WangDang_ | I need jre server in order to install adempiere. I see on the oracle site that the tarball has x64 in the name. That means 64 bit arch, right? |
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| 16:35.10 | ntz | I've read the manual but I didn't catch it from it .. I'm rhel/centos guy and doing only little sidejob on debian |
| 16:35.25 | ntz | now it works perfectly |
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| 16:52.00 | abrotman | WangDang_: Debian has a JRE already packaged |
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| 16:54.28 | sandman13 | abrotman: Oracle DB too? |
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| 16:55.23 | abrotman | sandman13: Well, that depends on which DB you're referring to. But there is a package (or was)that Oracle provides Beer-Free for Oracle-XE, and obviously they produce MySQL and Sleepycat |
| 16:55.48 | sandman13 | abrotman: Oracle 11g or something like that |
| 16:56.02 | abrotman | isn't going to change his statement |
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| 16:57.13 | sandman13 | doesn't understand how Oracle works |
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| 17:16.54 | Pheimors | can't I install netatalk package in jessie ? |
| 17:17.01 | Pheimors | the package can't be found |
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| 17:17.36 | dondelelcaro | Pheimors: it was removed from jessie because of RC bugs, IIRC. |
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| 17:17.56 | Pheimors | How can I access osx shared repositories then ? |
| 17:18.15 | Mousey | i can't install foreman on jessie becuase of ruby dependencies |
| 17:18.15 | Mousey | =( |
| 17:18.20 | dondelelcaro | specifically, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751121 |
| 17:18.28 | dondelelcaro | Pheimors: if you've got the version from wheezy, that will still work |
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| 17:18.35 | dondelelcaro | Pheimors: or you can backport the version which is in sid |
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| 17:19.34 | dondelelcaro | Pheimors: though this particular issue looks pretty simple to fix; the fact that it hasn't seems to indicate that netatalk isn't actually being maintained in Debian |
| 17:19.47 | Pheimors | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 17:19.53 | orbea | Anyone know why this works in debian, but not slackware? (See the picture to get it) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/utf-8-unifont-issue-4175533451/#post5314680 |
| 17:19.57 | dondelelcaro | Pheimors: you can use other things (samba, nfs) for OSX machines, though. |
| 17:20.12 | dondelelcaro | Pheimors: and you can also just use the version of netatalk which is in sid for the time being |
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| 17:20.24 | dondelelcaro | Pheimors: but if this is important to you, the netatalk team probably could use assistance in fixing these issues |
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| 17:22.26 | orbea | i agree, but I asked slackware people, didn't lead anywhere, so I tried here :| |
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| 17:23.03 | orbea | there has to be something simple that debian does that slack doesn't, but I can't figure it out... |
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| 17:26.56 | bazhang | apt-get |
| 17:27.55 | orbea | ;) |
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| 17:29.23 | orbea | well, while Im here imma going to leave this link before, which works to at least some degree :) http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
| 17:29.35 | orbea | *behind |
| 17:30.07 | orbea | my vsido has no systemd anymore :) |
| 17:30.46 | bazhang | orbea, thats really a #debianfork thing |
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| 17:31.41 | orbea | some people here use sid and might be interested, no? |
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| 17:34.25 | WangDang_ | abrotman: sorry I was away. Would that be openjdk-6-jre? |
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| 17:35.07 | abrotman | WangDang_: that's one, yes, there's probably a -7- also |
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| 17:37.48 | rgr | there is. |
| 17:38.00 | WangDang_ | abrotman: yeah, there's also a -7-. do you think this .deb will do the same thing as far as adempiere is concerning. admepiere asks for "Java 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 or higher ". that is to say, are you aware of any compatibility issues between the package in deb and Oracle's version or jre? |
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| 17:38.26 | abrotman | WangDang_: nope, just easier .. |
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| 17:39.19 | WangDang_ | abrotman: coolios! thanks for the pointer to openjdk! |
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| 17:40.28 | gorilla3 | I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" error when running apt-get update. I have tried different mirrors, removing /var/lib/apt/lists/*, removing everything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/. I use jessie |
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| 17:41.57 | centrx | and it's gone |
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| 17:47.46 | guardian | I need a bit of help please: when I do ls ~vagrant/VBoxGuestAdditions_4.3.20.iso it shows the file is there |
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| 17:48.26 | guardian | nevermind |
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| 17:51.47 | centrx | Good work team |
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| 19:01.55 | jalalsfs | how to use debian security mirrors for Asia? https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150206 |
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| 19:10.11 | Dirkson | Hey all. Partway through debian boot, the console font goes from large to small. On a lot of computers, it also stops outputting to the screen at this point. How do I disable the nice looking font switchover? |
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| 19:12.42 | jalalsfs | Dirkson, Have you changed the locale? or fonts? |
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| 19:13.35 | Dirkson | jalalsfs: Nope. |
| 19:13.51 | Dirkson | jalalsfs: Turns out it was selecting the wrong gpu. I think I can get around that just by installing the corect driver |
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| 19:19.09 | enzio00 | Hi! I have a problem with my network card in debian |
| 19:19.40 | rainfyre | enzio00: please elaborate |
| 19:19.42 | Gregor3000 | hello what does: Recommends: mysql-server but it is not installed mean? does it mean if i install the package that mysql server will be installed or not? i do not want it btw. |
| 19:20.07 | rainfyre | Gregor3000: it won't install it, it's just a good idea to install recommended packaages |
| 19:20.45 | enzio00 | rainfyre I have an Intel WifiLink 5100 AGN, that card is quite problematic with linux, and on debian the wireless doesn't even work! |
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| 19:21.59 | Gregor3000 | the whole message is like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10162580/ i had a failed apt-get dist-upgrade with this package. i seem to have fied it now by using default .htaccess file. however i use postgressql, and not mysql |
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| 19:23.42 | enzio00 | rainfyre I have an Intel WifiLink 5100 AGN, that card is quite problematic with linux, and on debian the wireless doesn't even work! |
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| 19:25.47 | maesrin | enzi00 is usb ? |
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| 19:26.51 | enzio00 | What is USB? |
| 19:27.12 | maesrin | the wifi card is usb or pci? |
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| 19:27.48 | enzio00 | It's built in, so I guess pci |
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| 19:28.18 | maesrin | the command lspci isn't reporting the card? |
| 19:29.01 | mtn | enzio00: did you look at the wiki page for wireless? I suspect you are missing firmware for you card/chip |
| 19:29.36 | enzio00 | I did, theres actually a driver but I cant download it |
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| 19:29.49 | enzio00 | It's name is iwlwifi |
| 19:30.07 | retrospectacus | enzio00: the wiki has detailed instructions for each wifi. If it's not working for you, please elaborate |
| 19:30.10 | mtn | enzio00: why can't you download it? |
| 19:30.38 | enzio00 | Because I dont have a wireless internet connection, and I dont have an ethernet cable |
| 19:30.50 | mtn | enzio00: seems like you are on the internet right now? |
| 19:31.06 | enzio00 | Im on windows |
| 19:31.31 | mtn | enzio00: install using this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 19:32.16 | retrospectacus | enzio00: you can also download the iwlwifi deb from packages.debian.org or a mirror and give it to debian using a usb stick. |
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| 19:33.43 | enzio00 | Ok thanks! I'll try the iso, is it aviable with kde? |
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| 19:34.12 | mtn | enzio00: using the advanced option, you can choose your desktop |
| 19:34.47 | enzio00 | Where is that? |
| 19:34.48 | jelly | !install kde |
| 19:34.48 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
| 19:34.53 | mtn | enzio00: in the installer |
| 19:35.01 | jelly | enzio00: that bit: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 19:35.23 | enzio00 | So from the boot menu, before the installation? |
| 19:35.38 | jelly | yes, that's why it says "boot menu" |
| 19:35.51 | enzio00 | Ok, thanks very much! :) |
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| 19:36.15 | enzio00 | I hope next time we speak, I'll be on debian! |
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| 19:56.25 | _ssl | Hi. I'm trying to run a binary file I downloaded from the internet but the shell immediatly returns without any (expected) output. echo $? shows return code 127. file is marked executable. file command outputs this: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, stripped. My system is this: uname -a: Linux debian 3.14-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.15-2 (2014-08-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:56.54 | _ssl | whats the problem here? |
| 19:56.57 | centrx | _ssl, Are you sure you wnat to run a binary file you downloaded from the Internet? Is there no better way? |
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| 19:57.39 | _ssl | centrx it's this one: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Graphics_SDK_Quick_installation_and_user_guide |
| 19:57.49 | retrospectacus | you would have to ask the creator of that file whats the problem there |
| 19:57.59 | centrx | _ssl, If the program doesn't work, it should give some error output, not end immediately. |
| 19:57.59 | _ssl | and no, i don't see a possibility to extract its contents in another way |
| 19:58.07 | centrx | _ssl, Usually if a program ends immediately without output, it means it worked as expected |
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| 19:58.39 | _ssl | centrx yes, but this one is supposed to give output. |
| 19:58.46 | centrx | _ssl, see what this does: ./myexecutablefile --help |
| 19:59.06 | polyphagia | does debian have official documentation for 'unix philosophy' |
| 19:59.10 | _ssl | i googled return code 127 and it looks like the shell itself is returning it for not beeing able to run it |
| 19:59.17 | jelly | _ssl: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on your system? |
| 19:59.33 | _ssl | centrix same thing, i tried a bunch of parameters |
| 19:59.53 | _ssl | amd64 |
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| 20:00.27 | jelly | _ssl: alright. To run 32bit gnu libc-linked binaries on that, you need "multiarch" support |
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| 20:00.37 | jelly | !tell _ssl about multiarch howto |
| 20:00.59 | _ssl | jelly that looks promising, thank you |
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| 20:01.24 | starprince | I want to do gsoc under debian how should i start |
| 20:01.48 | jelly | _ssl: add "i386" as a foreign architecture, then install libc6:i386 libc-bin:i386 for a start |
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| 20:02.51 | jelly | _ssl: sorry, just libc6:i386 I guess |
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| 20:03.37 | _ssl | ok |
| 20:04.42 | centrx | starprince, You want to learn more about Unix is the idea? |
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| 20:04.47 | _ssl | jelly aaaaaand it works :) Thanks! |
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| 20:05.25 | centrx | starprince, This is certainly a good start for Unix philosophy - http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html |
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| 20:05.42 | centrx | starprince, That is written by Eric S Raymond, one of a certain class of opinionated Unix greybeards, along with Richard M Stallman |
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| 20:06.31 | starprince | Centrx. So i should read it once |
| 20:06.42 | starprince | ?? |
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| 20:07.34 | centrx | starprince, I'm not sure what you mean |
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| 20:08.00 | centrx | starprince, You can read it as many times as you like. I'm not sure of the exact connection with GSOC though |
| 20:08.20 | starprince | Ya i got it |
| 20:08.38 | starprince | I just wanted to be part of a project in gsoc 2015 |
| 20:08.51 | centrx | cool |
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| 20:09.23 | centrx | starprince, Debian Social Contract and the Debian Free Software Guidelines also relevant: https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 20:10.07 | starprince | Relevant to what? |
| 20:10.53 | centrx | starprince, Debian |
| 20:11.00 | centrx | starprince, s/relevant/specific to Debian |
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| 20:11.52 | starprince | Cool |
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| 20:25.23 | salamisami | Hello. |
| 20:25.30 | Mousey | hi |
| 20:25.31 | salamisami | I am having problems with Linux-PHC |
| 20:25.37 | salamisami | Anyone have experience with it? |
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| 20:32.09 | nse | salamisami: If you give us the opportunity to know your problem, it's more likely that someone will help you. Describe your problem. |
| 20:32.11 | enzio00 | Hi, I cant install nonfree stuff from the usb boot image |
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| 20:33.10 | enzio00 | Hi, I cant install nonfree stuff from the usb boot image, I'm trying to install iwlwfi |
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| 20:34.58 | TylerEastman | enzio00: http://serverfault.com/questions/240920/how-do-i-enable-non-free-packages-on-debian has information for installing non-free packages |
| 20:35.02 | salamisami | Right, so when I unload the acpi_cpufreq module and try to replace it by loading phc_intel module, i get "ERROR: could not insert phc-intel: unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) and then dmesg: "phc_intel: Unknown symbol dmi_check_system_2 (err 0) |
| 20:35.15 | salamisami | So I am unable to load the module and thus unable to undervolt my system :/ |
| 20:35.40 | mtn | enzio00: you should install debian using the usb boot image that comes with the firmware |
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| 20:37.02 | enzio00 | mtn: you told me about a half an hour ago, that I should use the nonfree image of debian, but it doesnt install iwlwifi |
| 20:37.39 | mtn | enzio00: sure it does. I have used it many times to get my intel wireless working during install |
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| 20:38.11 | enzio00 | I click on it, it loads a bit, and shows the same screen as before |
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| 20:38.38 | mtn | enzio00: and what screen would that be? |
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| 20:39.28 | enzio00 | It says something like this: do you want to search for iwlwifi.ucode on cd image? |
| 20:40.10 | mtn | enzio00: what is the name of the iso you used to make your usb install stick? |
| 20:40.46 | nse | salamisami: This is a Debian related channel. I don't know if that has something to do with it. If not, it's very good for you to go to the appropriate channel. |
| 20:40.47 | nse | !tell salamisami about phc |
| 20:41.04 | enzio00 | firmware-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:41.18 | salamisami | yes i know, but the linux-phc community is pretty much dead |
| 20:41.34 | salamisami | nobody has posted on the forums since 2014 and there is nobody at the irc channel |
| 20:41.49 | mtn | enzio00: are you sure you used that iso? maybe you made a typo or the wrong name was autocompleted? |
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| 20:42.32 | enzio00 | mtn: yes I downloaded that one |
| 20:42.50 | mtn | enzio00: I didn't say downloaded, I said used. |
| 20:43.14 | mtn | enzio00: you had another iso which did not have firmware, too |
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| 20:43.56 | gribouille | hi |
| 20:44.27 | enzio00 | I burned that iso using rufus, than hust booted it, went into advanced options, chose different desktop, chose kde, chose graphical install |
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| 20:44.58 | gribouille | the flash plugin always crashes when I watch videos (iceweasel on jessie). whay can I do? |
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| 20:46.03 | nkuttler | gribouille: stop using flash? or see if you have the latest version installed, update-flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:46.33 | gribouille | nkuttler, yes I have the last version |
| 20:46.46 | abrotman | of the package, or the plugin? |
| 20:47.09 | gribouille | abrotman, I ran update-flashplugin-nonfree a few days ago |
| 20:47.16 | nse | salamisami: Well, then I can't help you at all. Hope somebody here gives you instructions. |
| 20:47.26 | abrotman | run it again .. there have been a few security patches in the past week or two |
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| 20:48.08 | enzio00 | I burned that iso using rufus, than hust booted it, went into advanced options, chose different desktop, chose kde, chose graphical install, how do I know which firmware I used? |
| 20:48.34 | gribouille | abrotman, I have the latest version : 11.2.202.442 |
| 20:48.37 | nkuttler | enzio00: firmware? |
| 20:48.38 | abrotman | k |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | gribouille: which IW do you have? |
| 20:49.02 | abrotman | the one in Jessie, or from mozilla.debian.net? |
| 20:49.22 | abrotman | gribouille: and have you tried as a newly created user? |
| 20:49.47 | gribouille | abrotman, the one from jessie |
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| 20:50.06 | gribouille | abrotman, no, I didn't try |
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| 20:50.58 | enzio00 | nkuttler: mtn said I used a wrong firmware |
| 20:51.10 | nkuttler | enzio00: to do what? |
| 20:51.25 | nkuttler | enzio00: which problem are you trying to solve? |
| 20:52.20 | abrotman | gribouille: now you have something to try :) |
| 20:52.37 | enzio00 | nkuttler: I'm trying to install debian nonfree cd image |
| 20:52.51 | enzio00 | but it doesnt let me install iwlwifi |
| 20:52.57 | nkuttler | enzio00: so you need firmware-iwlwifi during the install, did you already finish the install? |
| 20:53.33 | nkuttler | enzio00: which command do you use to install it, and what's the output? paste.debian.net please |
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| 20:54.03 | enzio00 | nkuttler: I tried installing it from the live cd, so I dont know the output |
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| 20:54.35 | nkuttler | enzio00: that.. doesn't make much sense to me. live cd? |
| 20:54.45 | nkuttler | enzio00: do you have debian installed? |
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| 20:55.01 | mtn | nkuttler: I gave him the link to the istaller with firmware. he says he used it and his intel wireless still does not work |
| 20:55.55 | enzio00 | nkuttler: no, Im trying to install it, from an iso image |
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| 20:56.16 | smithd | hm, is it true that jessie will ship only with systemd? Or can I easily install something different than systemd? |
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| 20:56.28 | nkuttler | enzio00: ok. so you're using the firmware installer mtn suggested? |
| 20:56.32 | smithd | Just wanting to know this in advance, I upgrade my distros regularly. |
| 20:56.52 | nkuttler | smithd: systemd is the default, but you're not forced to use it |
| 20:57.27 | enzio00 | nkuttler yes, this one: firmware-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:58.53 | nkuttler | don't you have to pick the firmware to load during install? that's not fully automated, is it? |
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| 20:59.32 | mtn | nkuttler: it is fully automated, at least for intel stuff. I have used it many times |
| 20:59.41 | nkuttler | mtn: i see |
| 21:00.00 | nkuttler | enzio00: well, i'm not sure what the problem is then |
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| 21:01.53 | smithd | nkuttler: so devuan forked from debian because systemd is the default, not that systemd is forced? Is this a reason for a fork? |
| 21:02.11 | nkuttler | smithd: never heard of devuan |
| 21:02.36 | abrotman | smithd: You'd have to ask them, we don't support it here |
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| 21:03.20 | nkuttler | smithd: last time i checked it was pretty easy to remove systemd. just some gnome stuff wants to pull it in iirc you don't really need |
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| 21:06.09 | SAKUJ0 | help me understand setuid! Let's look at /bin/mount. It has - rws r-x r-x. If I chown mount to uid 1000, would that mean that if uid 1000 uses /bin/mount he can mount drives (because normally only root can). |
| 21:06.44 | SAKUJ0 | or the same way if I set /bin/mount to - rws r-x r-s, would that mean any user can mount as if root? |
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| 21:07.24 | SAKUJ0 | also why would for instance /var/log/mysql/ have setuid for the group adm? |
| 21:07.43 | SAKUJ0 | so the grp admn can *execute* a directory as root? |
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| 21:08.30 | nkuttler | SAKUJ0: s is the sticky bit for dirs |
| 21:08.45 | SAKUJ0 | "Actually, the setuid bit is not the same as the sticky bit. The sticky bit is a t instead of an x in the other permissions (e.g. for /tmp). The setuid bit is as or1onas says, while the sticky bit set on a directory implies users may only rm files in that directory if they own them (a handy thing for /tmp). On older Unices, the sticky bit caused the system to keep the program's text segment in memory, but on modern systems with modern memory h |
| 21:08.45 | SAKUJ0 | andling this is no longer necessary." |
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| 21:08.59 | SAKUJ0 | i just read that now i am a bit confused |
| 21:09.03 | nkuttler | oh wait, it's t.. |
| 21:09.18 | gribouille | abrotman, I tried with a new user, and flash still crashes |
| 21:09.19 | SAKUJ0 | (that guy apologized for *nitpicking*) |
| 21:09.33 | SAKUJ0 | so i believe it is common to call them both sticky bit |
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| 21:11.36 | DelphiWorld | yo debianists |
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| 21:11.42 | DelphiWorld | if my debian setup was in english |
| 21:11.44 | abrotman | gribouille: well, that was my idea .. |
| 21:11.53 | DelphiWorld | how to change to another language later using terminal? |
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| 21:11.59 | abrotman | gribouille: make sure your system is fully up to date .. I have that flash and that jessie, and no crashes |
| 21:12.07 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: during the install, or after? |
| 21:12.14 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, after |
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| 21:12.33 | gribouille | abrotman, am I the only person to have such crashes? |
| 21:12.48 | abrotman | gribouille: someone else was in here yesterday .. which video driver are you using? |
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| 21:13.31 | shadow193 | Hi all I have a question, I have synaptics touchpad (acer d257) how can I enable tap to click ?? |
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| 21:13.37 | gribouille | abrotman, the nvidia drivers |
| 21:13.45 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i got it i think, nm |
| 21:13.47 | abrotman | gribouille: I have intel .. wonder if that's part of the problem .. |
| 21:14.04 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: good, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:14.04 | abrotman | watches his VPN drop out .. |
| 21:14.06 | gribouille | abrotman, I don't have crashes when I use chromium |
| 21:14.19 | abrotman | gribouille: chromium uses a different plugin |
| 21:14.27 | jedahan | how do I debootstrap a sarge system? I get Failed getting release file "blahblah"/debian/dists/sarge/Release |
| 21:14.40 | abrotman | jedahan: you're probably pointing at a real mirror, try archive.debian.org |
| 21:14.42 | jedahan | is there a way to point debootstrap towards archive.debian.org? |
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| 21:15.08 | nkuttler | DelphiWorld: you might also want to install manpages and stuff in your language |
| 21:15.21 | DelphiWorld | nkuttler: yeah |
| 21:16.18 | DelphiWorld | nkuttler: what's this name? not new for me |
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| 21:16.35 | cafuego | jedahan: Yup, the second line of its man page tell you :-) |
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| 21:17.00 | jedahan | ahh cool |
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| 21:17.12 | jedahan | but theres no amd64 variant of sarge, and i'm on a 64bit only system |
| 21:17.13 | jedahan | argh |
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| 21:17.42 | cafuego | jedahan: that'll run 32bit just fine |
| 21:18.45 | jedahan | cafuego, i'll try but I think thats why i got an exec error on this docker image |
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| 21:19.42 | gribouille | abrotman, isn't there a way to find iformation about the crash of the flash plugin? |
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| 21:23.25 | Flash_G0rd0n | Hello I'd like to ask is there any particular reason why I can only NTP sync with servers from my country using ntpd? |
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| 21:24.14 | cafuego | Flash_G0rd0n: You should be able to use any, but the point to ntpd is accuracy and having a server nearby helps. |
| 21:25.06 | abrotman | gribouille: try running from the console to start |
| 21:25.23 | cafuego | Flash_G0rd0n: syncing with an upstream server takes time, and that time depends on how far away that server is and the quality of the connection. |
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| 21:25.51 | cafuego | Flash_G0rd0n: If a server is far away, changes are the time to sync varies, and that makes your own ntp server less accurate. |
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| 21:25.58 | jedahan | cafuego, yeah i get exec format error |
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| 21:26.15 | cafuego | jedahan: did you build your own kernel? |
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| 21:26.24 | jedahan | yes, i guess i need to enable 32-bit a.out, eh? |
| 21:26.31 | cafuego | that'd help ;-) |
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| 21:27.02 | cafuego | 32bit anyway, not sure about a.out. that's libc5 territory. |
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| 21:27.15 | Flash_G0rd0n | @cafuego I'm asking only asking because every time I try to sync wit some other server it only shows init and it stays there |
| 21:27.57 | cafuego | Flash_G0rd0n: that's odd, unless some very weird firewalling happens. |
| 21:28.09 | gribouille | abrotman, I don't think there will be mutch information on the terminal |
| 21:28.28 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 21:29.17 | Flash_G0rd0n | @cafuego and I'm experiencing this in the last 6 months and I find it strange also |
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| 21:30.07 | Flash_G0rd0n | @cafuego earlier I never experienced such things |
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| 21:36.01 | gribouille | abrotman, I got the following message : (plugin-container:16357): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_pixmap_foreign_new_for_screen: assertion 'GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed |
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| 21:39.51 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 21:40.46 | gribouille | I also got "(plugin-container:16357): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_drawable_set_colormap: assertion 'GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed" and "plugin-container: Fatal IO error 11 (Ressource temporairement non disponible) on X server :0." |
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| 21:43.43 | r00tk1d | Hi. I'm trying to compile a second PHP installation (5.6) next to my default installed by apt-get install php5 (5.4)... question: Do I need to download and compile all of its modules, or can I "reuse" the ones from the apt packages for php 5.4 ? |
| 21:44.06 | cafuego | r00tk1d: You cannot reuse them. |
| 21:44.44 | cafuego | r00tk1d: However, they're bundled in the php tarball, so you should be able to compile them without separate downloads |
| 21:45.00 | r00tk1d | cafuego: nice to hear! Do I just have to include the .so files in the new php.ini ? |
| 21:45.19 | r00tk1d | cafuego: most of them do not complain, but those do: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-mcrypt, --enable-memcached, --enable-curl, --enable-gd, --enable-mhash, --enable-mongo, --enable-mysql, --enable-mysqli, --enable-openssl, --enable-pdo_mysql, --enable-xdebug, --enable-zlib |
| 21:45.38 | cafuego | r00tk1d: ./configure --help |
| 21:45.43 | cafuego | r00tk1d: see what's in there |
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| 21:47.21 | r00tk1d | cafuego: very helpful!! when it sais --with-curl=DIR, DIR == /usr/bin/curl ? |
| 21:47.58 | cafuego | r00tk1d: No, that should point at the libcurl installation path (ususally /usr) so it can find DIR/lib and DIR/include |
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| 21:57.35 | r00tk1d | cafuego: I have mcrypt for example in my apt php, now the new sais "configure: error: mcrypt.h not found. Please reinstall libmcrypt.", and "find / -name mcrypt.h" has no results. Seems like I simply should download the missing modules from source and paste em in a new dir? |
| 21:57.53 | cafuego | r00tk1d: No, no, no... |
| 21:58.03 | cafuego | r00tk1d: Have you ever compiled software from source before? |
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| 22:00.42 | r00tk1d | cafuego: not really. PHP compiles well when I don't enable any modules lol apt-get install makes it way easier but in this case I need a special php-cli version |
| 22:01.06 | cafuego | r00tk1d: Well, you picked a hell of a first package to try this on :-P |
| 22:01.33 | cafuego | r00tk1d: 1) make sure to specify --prefix=/usr/local/php56 or something, or you will end up overwriting the packaged php. |
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| 22:02.35 | r00tk1d | cafuego: go big or die trying :D all I want is pthreads :( I specified --prefix=/usr/local/php-5.6.5, it finds most of the standard modules in ext/ |
| 22:02.50 | cafuego | 2) Each of the php modules (mcrypt, gd, mysql) requires a library (libmcrypt, libgd2, libmysqlclient) *and* header files (mcrypt.h, hd2.h, mysql.h) to be able to compile successfully. |
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| 22:03.21 | cafuego | r00tk1d: the libraries will be installed already because they are dependencies for the packaged version of php. |
| 22:03.48 | cafuego | r00tk1d: You'll be missing the headers, though. They are provided by the FOOBAR-dev package for the FOOBAR library, usually. |
| 22:04.21 | cafuego | r00tk1d: The easiest way to get them all for php is to make apt install all libraries and headers needed to compile the *packaged* php. |
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| 22:04.38 | cafuego | they'll be the same headers and libraries as the ones you need for your self-compiled one. |
| 22:04.45 | ddd1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.46 | cafuego | r00tk1d: apt-get build-dep php5 |
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| 22:05.47 | cafuego | ddd1: install it and live without upstart. |
| 22:06.56 | r00tk1d | cafuego: such valuable information for me. ok now I can find the header files in /usr let me see how far I get now |
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| 22:07.41 | cafuego | r00tk1d: you shouldn't need to specify the directories for header files under /usr, ./configure should find those automagically. |
| 22:07.50 | ddd1 | cafuego,maybe we should live with systemd after all |
| 22:07.58 | r00tk1d | I love automagic |
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| 22:10.30 | wiggl3 | i love openbsd |
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| 22:11.47 | wiggl3 | Vroomfondel: those old desktop pcs? |
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| 22:11.51 | wiggl3 | i remember those :) |
| 22:12.14 | Vroomfondel | I was thinking more of Father Jack, but yes, old PCs are usually fun too. |
| 22:12.26 | wiggl3 | father jack? |
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| 22:13.07 | Vroomfondel | there was an Irish sitcom called Father Ted, which featured a character called Father Jack. It was popular in Ireland and also the UK. He loved his brick. |
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| 22:22.01 | Kobaz | anyone using a fairly modern ati card with a new (3.18) kernel? (I'm trying to get a firepro 4100 working).. the Radeon driver doesn't seem to support it, and xfree core dumps when using fglrx |
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| 22:22.19 | andril | whats the best updated Debian distro |
| 22:23.27 | rgr | debian |
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| 22:23.37 | abrotman | Kobaz: probably ask #ati |
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| 22:23.46 | abrotman | andril: this channel supports Debian |
| 22:23.46 | evangeline_ | hi |
| 22:23.51 | Kobaz | abrotman: mm, sounds good |
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| 22:24.09 | evangeline_ | how can I disable dhclient from listening on port 68 ... I guess I would like to use a different DHCP client or possibly configure dhclient to disable the listen mode ? |
| 22:24.18 | abrotman | listening? |
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| 22:24.24 | rgr | Kobaz: heh. you reckon. You'll hear an echo there. Get an nvidia card and save yourself a lot of pain. |
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| 22:24.28 | abrotman | evangeline_: can you show us the line from netstat? |
| 22:25.00 | abrotman | wouldn't get anywhere near nvidia or radeon |
| 22:25.05 | andril | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:25.07 | evangeline_ | abrotman, udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:* 2167/dhclient |
| 22:25.20 | evangeline_ | abrotman, I've done it in the past, but I don't remember how |
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| 22:25.54 | viccuad | Hey guys, isn't this wiki page with an errata? for jessie, it should be install nvidia-kernel-dkms from jessie, not wheezy backports: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
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| 22:28.18 | Kobaz | rgr: haha |
| 22:28.51 | Kobaz | rgr: weeeeeeel, i have an nvidia card, i have an amazing quad dvi quadro, but it's only supported in the legagy nvidia driver, which does not build on new kernels |
| 22:29.10 | Kobaz | and i need to use a new kernel, since i'm gonna be running on btrfs |
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| 22:30.05 | Kobaz | so i bought this ati card upon recommendation, because the mainline ati drivers are apparently coming along well |
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| 22:32.20 | l1ght_ | Jessie is capable, I mean it |
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| 22:33.52 | abrotman | Kobaz: yes, the radeon driver generally works well, though they don't support your card yet |
| 22:33.59 | Kobaz | i've noticed that |
| 22:34.00 | Kobaz | heh |
| 22:34.06 | Kobaz | i should have done more research before buying it |
| 22:34.10 | abrotman | hence why I suggested asking #ati |
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| 22:34.18 | Kobaz | abrotman: yeap. i did |
| 22:34.22 | abrotman | Kobaz: where'd you get the .18 kernel? |
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| 22:36.10 | Kobaz | abrotman: kernel.org |
| 22:36.23 | Kobaz | 3.18.5 |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | Kobaz: try it with a Debian kernel, see if it also throws up |
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| 22:39.40 | Kobaz | the core dump is in the fglrx driver |
| 22:39.48 | Kobaz | not sure how much kernel space it touches from inside x |
| 22:40.04 | Kobaz | it's in the x driver, not the kernel module... the crash |
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| 22:46.52 | abrotman | Kobaz: I'd try it .. yu'd be surprised |
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| 22:48.21 | r00tk1d | cafuego: thanks for your help. PHP now compiles well with all modules |
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| 22:57.31 | KaaK | is it possible to chroot without using sudo? |
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| 22:58.20 | Kobaz | KaaK: those two things are completely and entirely separate things |
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| 23:00.02 | KaaK | let me rephrase -- is it possible to chroot into a directory without using sudo? I get permission denied when attempting it without sudo |
| 23:00.21 | Kobaz | chroot requires root permission |
| 23:00.30 | Kobaz | it just so happens that you can accomplish that by using sudo |
| 23:00.36 | Kobaz | you can also su |
| 23:00.43 | Kobaz | or run a setuid program/script that will do your chroot |
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| 23:06.06 | KaaK | Kobaz, solved it. http://linux.die.net/man/1/fakechroot |
| 23:06.20 | kay______ | i'm a bit confused about setting up wordpress on debian - does it require its own fqdn? I'm using setup-mysql.gz in /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples |
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| 23:08.07 | Kobaz | kay______: http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/wordpress-security-vulnerabilities/ |
| 23:08.47 | Kobaz | the page does debunk many of the reports as miscategorized, but that particular piece of software has a really poor security history |
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| 23:10.16 | kay______ | so you're suggesting to not use wordpress, then? |
| 23:10.20 | Kobaz | aye |
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| 23:10.36 | kay______ | any suggestions for alternatives? |
| 23:11.18 | Kobaz | there's tons of them out there |
| 23:11.25 | Kobaz | my dad uses this one: http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=333 |
| 23:12.17 | kay______ | hmm i want blog software not a CMS ... but I will do more research |
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| 23:12.49 | kay______ | thanks for the tip, i guess |
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| 23:14.54 | humbot | kay______, i'm using nikola, it's a static site generator, you give it rst and it makes a blog |
| 23:14.57 | teraflops | kay______: hey use static web pages for a blog just pelican or something similar |
| 23:15.10 | Kobaz | well, it's a good tip. Wordpress is probably the most popular blog platform and everyone who wants to spread their viruses, goes to attack the most popular stuff |
| 23:15.38 | Kobaz | i can't count how many times i had to clean out an infected wordpress site (i do web hosting for some people) |
| 23:15.43 | teraflops | why the hell people need such a pile of crap as wordpress for a simple blog? |
| 23:16.53 | cafuego | because it's easy to set up and use |
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| 23:18.57 | abrotman | why the hell people need a blog ... |
| 23:19.05 | paragon | most likely is is people who don't know the difference that are using it. |
| 23:19.16 | teraflops | cafuego: sounds legit but ... |
| 23:19.26 | teraflops | abrotman: +1 |
| 23:19.42 | cafuego | why should people require technical knowledge to have a web presence? it's not as if it's 1995 |
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| 23:20.42 | teraflops | cafuego: then people can use blogspot or whatever, isn't it? |
| 23:21.03 | teraflops | cafuego: uhm i never used that things may be Im wrong |
| 23:21.30 | cafuego | teraflops: yup, or wordpress.com, or drupal gardens, or watevs. |
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| 23:22.32 | abrotman | cafuego: or use G+ or livejournal or |
| 23:23.19 | teraflops | thats what I mean theres no need to deal with the setup it already done elsewere and it's for free |
| 23:23.30 | cafuego | or host your own if you don't want your data to be subject to US legislation |
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| 23:23.55 | cafuego | teraflops: As a debian user, you should know there's free and "free" ;-) |
| 23:24.09 | abrotman | what was that journal site that closed years ago? |
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| 23:24.10 | teraflops | and then if you deal with that youre supposed to have some knowledge ... |
| 23:24.39 | kay______ | then we're just back to what software to use |
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| 23:25.09 | teraflops | cafuego: i use debian since potato but sincerely I do not care about free ans in freedom etc etc, no offense mate |
| 23:25.16 | teraflops | as* |
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| 23:28.59 | cafuego | teraflops: none taken, but there are people who do.. and they might not want a blog hosted in aparticular jurisdiction. |
| 23:29.17 | abrotman | is offneded |
| 23:29.28 | teraflops | abrotman: srry man |
| 23:29.56 | abrotman | reads the backscholl to see what to be offneded about |
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| 23:32.11 | teraflops | cafuego: well I know the laws of my country in my case Ill use blogspot.com.es |
| 23:32.47 | teraflops | and yes there is no blogspot.com.tv ... |
| 23:33.33 | humbot | #debian is such fun |
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| 23:36.11 | teraflops | cafuego: nah sorry im just lazy not my intention to create a dispute |
| 23:36.27 | cafuego | teraflops: Sadly that's still owned by google and thus subject to say the partiot act |
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| 23:39.22 | teraflops | cafuego: uhm may be, I don't know if the servers that are located in europe are in the same situation or the local laws prevail |
| 23:40.45 | kellnola | about to switch to weezy after several years of "that other thing" |
| 23:40.59 | kellnola | can't wait to have a working OS again |
| 23:41.22 | OSVG | What is "that other thing"? |
| 23:41.32 | teraflops | ub*n*u |
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| 23:43.09 | kellnola | ub$n^* and m#n% |
| 23:43.12 | teraflops | heh |
| 23:43.47 | kellnola | ub*n*u is to the point where half the programs I use just segfault after a new install |
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| 23:44.05 | Marezz | Would it be possible to install latest KDE4 in debian stable without causing issues to the OS? |
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| 23:45.00 | babilen | Marezz: IIRC wheezy has KDE 4.8 |
| 23:45.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Marezz -about install kde |
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| 23:46.55 | babilen | But given that 4.0 was released in 2008 I am a little surprised by your question. You really shouldn't find 3.* anywhere .. |
| 23:47.22 | babilen | (kde5 otoh) |
| 23:48.42 | Marezz | otoh? |
| 23:49.10 | OSVG | on the other hand |
| 23:49.31 | kellnola | the problem is, I hate all the new desktops, except Mate |
| 23:49.55 | babilen | so, don't use them |
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| 23:50.27 | kellnola | yeah, but that leaves me with just a wm, which i can live with, but I'd rather an actual desktop |
| 23:51.00 | babilen | use whatever you like best, it really isn't up to us to tell you that |
| 23:51.05 | kellnola | is it possible to "get used to" Gnome 3? :) |
| 23:51.11 | OSVG | Yes. |
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| 23:53.53 | Busserl | kellnola: why are they bad |
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| 23:55.06 | humbot | gnome3 is fine and that's coming from an openbox user |
| 23:55.07 | Busserl | oh well |
| 23:55.16 | babilen | You might want to continue this discussion in #debian-offtopic |
| 23:55.24 | Busserl | yes, sorry |
| 23:55.29 | kellnola | mostly I just "don't like them" (I liked Gnome 2 the most, then lxde, wmaker) but they do all seem to have this attitude that they are for small screens, which I find silly |
| 23:55.39 | babilen | Busserl: no problem |
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