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| 00:19.40 | xreal | Doey anyone know, what my HDD usage on mdadm RAID-5 looks like this? 60% sda, 20% sdb, 20% sdc - for reading and writing! |
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| 00:26.31 | axel_fly | xreal: use zfs, its nice |
| 00:26.54 | axel_fly | and now stable on linux |
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| 00:34.43 | iAdam1n | Is there any way that I could create a user that could not be allowed to do rm at all? I basically want it for a website that if someone somehow got access, then they couldn't damage the system |
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| 00:38.34 | SerajewelKS | i have a rather weird issue with apache+mod_ssl. when connecting to the host using a browser, everything works if i use the ip (v4 or v6) in the browser (https://literal-ip) |
| 00:38.41 | SerajewelKS | when using the hostname, the connection times out |
| 00:38.55 | SerajewelKS | the hostname does resolve to the IP, of course |
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| 00:40.00 | SerajewelKS | when looking at both scenarios with wireshark, i cannot identify any difference that would cause this |
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| 00:40.27 | axel_fly | iAdam1n: chroot/Jailkit |
| 00:40.32 | xreal | axel_fly: yeh, I want to use this for my SSDs. |
| 00:40.44 | xreal | axel_fly: I don't want an EFI and boot partition for ZFS :D |
| 00:40.45 | iAdam1n | thanks |
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| 00:41.17 | axel_fly | xreal: depending on what you want |
| 00:41.36 | xreal | axel_fly: DB (on SSD) should be on ZFS. |
| 00:41.49 | xreal | axel_fly: but I wonder, why the distribution is so crazy. |
| 00:42.00 | axel_fly | i think ssd is fast enough... for storage raid5 or 6 personally would use zfs |
| 00:43.12 | baum | question: i'm stuck at the following tutorial, according to my system the configuration of /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf is invalid, any ideas why? https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-and-mysql-on-debian-6-squeeze/ |
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| 00:44.43 | xreal | axel_fly: I want RAID-0 SSD :D |
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| 00:46.04 | abrotman | baum: that's for squeeze, I hope you're not running squeeze |
| 00:46.06 | baum | the error is: |
| 00:46.06 | baum | dovecotError: Namespace '': Hierarchy separator must be only one character long |
| 00:46.32 | baum | abrotman, i am running squeeze |
| 00:47.56 | baum | abrotman, i was under the impression that it's still supported, what's the problem with running it? |
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| 00:50.07 | linux-fox | hi, guys, i have installed debian7.8 on my laptop, only cli, not gui,. now i want to modify the console font, how can i do this? |
| 00:50.07 | gammaleak | I'm trying to do a backport of ocropus from sid. It barfs on one of the default configuration options. Is there any way to pass a custom configuration option to apt-get -b ?? |
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| 00:50.35 | axel_fly | xreal: i told you that normally speed of ssd is enough... in my opinion |
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| 00:51.17 | SerajewelKS | linux-fox: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 00:51.20 | axel_fly | linux-fox: vga=HEXCODE |
| 00:51.25 | lambdahands | Hey, all. Trying to apt-get install right now, and I saw the ftp mirrors are experiencing issues? http://mirror.debian.org/status.html - is there an alternative I can use to grab packages? |
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| 00:51.27 | axel_fly | in grub |
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| 00:52.18 | axel_fly | linux-fox: use sudo hwinfo --framebuffer to get the modes |
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| 00:52.31 | axel_fly | for size |
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| 00:54.02 | axel_fly | for font set use https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=134370 |
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| 00:55.01 | iAdam1n | By default, can a user with sudo access even do rm -rf /* or would it require sshing in as root? |
| 00:55.18 | linux-fox | SerajewelKS, axel_fly , thank you |
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| 00:55.52 | tlund | iAdam1n: using an interactive shell via sudo or "sshing in as root" is the same thing. |
| 00:55.59 | axel_fly | chroot without sudo and admin access |
| 00:56.07 | iAdam1n | I thought so :( |
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| 00:56.31 | axel_fly | iAdam1n: you can define the bin content, e.g. mv or rm |
| 00:56.32 | iAdam1n | Is there no way to completely prevent that command? |
| 00:56.44 | SerajewelKS | uid 0 (root) can break out of a chroot |
| 00:56.45 | axel_fly | jailkit/chroot |
| 00:57.01 | axel_fly | add an user.... |
| 00:57.21 | iAdam1n | Ah ok thanks |
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| 00:57.28 | SerajewelKS | chroot is completely ineffective as a security measure unless you run the process without root |
| 00:57.36 | SerajewelKS | and he's gone |
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| 01:19.46 | marioxcc | Hi. Why is it that I can't find the package ânvidia-va-driverâ in packages.debian.org? |
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| 01:26.16 | zack__ | How can i download skype |
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| 01:26.42 | abrotman | zack__: wiki.debina.org/Skype |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | but spelled correctly |
| 01:27.09 | zack__ | I tried that already, Will it run i wine? |
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| 01:28.07 | zack__ | Yes it will thx bye |
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| 01:46.33 | kminooie | hi everyone can anyone tell where I can find the original source.list file of squeeze and also wheezy without installing a new system? |
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| 01:47.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kminooie about squeeze sources.list |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kminooie about wheezy sources.list |
| 01:47.51 | kminooie | thank you |
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| 01:50.53 | kminooie | this dpkg is a handy guy :) . is there a manual for using him any where? |
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| 01:56.32 | kminooie | ;) never mind found it |
| 01:57.01 | peterrooney | kminooie: best bet is /msg dpkg listkeys <searchterm> |
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| 01:58.42 | kminooie | thanks peterrooney found the wiki |
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| 02:36.31 | babak | Hi , I installed debian on VM I connect to it with ordinary user I xan change root password but can not su to it , authentication failure , please help |
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| 02:36.48 | babak | xan/can |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | babak: you're sure you typed it correctly? |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | babak: does sudo work? |
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| 02:37.37 | babak | yes because changed root/unix password many times |
| 02:37.56 | babak | sudo do not work |
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| 02:38.38 | The_Schmidt | might need to boot into single user mode |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell babak about irfrp |
| 02:38.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell babak about frp |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | jesus |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell babak about ifrp |
| 02:39.09 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 02:54.44 | siwyborsuk | hello my friends |
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| 02:56.15 | siwyborsuk | who really know how to config vsftpd with opensll? |
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| 03:01.21 | tlund | siwyborsuk: just ask your question in the channel and wait for an answer. |
| 03:04.40 | siwyborsuk | Or when I have to config anather computer to work with SFTP server I need also install opensll on both? Or need I copy key file? |
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| 03:08.15 | rebauld | siwyborsuk: just on the server |
| 03:09.00 | rebauld | your client will probably ask if you want to accept it or there might be an option to automatically accept it |
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| 03:09.33 | siwyborsuk | OK, I see |
| 03:10.09 | siwyborsuk | THX my friends |
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| 03:42.31 | ImHereForTheLulz | hello |
| 03:42.45 | asdf1231asf2342k | yo! |
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| 03:55.16 | ImHereForTheLulz | I need some help with my Debian 7.8 Server - i want to limit the global bandwidth for my FTP server to a fixed amount, lets say 1000kbps. I tried to follow some guidelines, read multiple wikis about iptables and tc (traffic control). sometimes i made it work, most times i failed. i'm pretty new to linux and I'm having some trouble understanding all the functions behind those commands mentioned |
| 03:55.16 | ImHereForTheLulz | in the guides/wikis - for now its not working properly how i want it. testing this in a virtual machine with a snapshot, so i can revert if i break something |
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| 03:57.24 | ImHereForTheLulz | i really tried to read myself into tc and iptables, but I'm having a really hard time to understand everything properly |
| 03:57.46 | ImHereForTheLulz | so this is why i hope somebody may help me here |
| 03:58.15 | asdf1231asf2342k | you want to limit the amount of traffic per month to that amount? |
| 03:58.21 | ImHereForTheLulz | no |
| 03:58.24 | ImHereForTheLulz | 1000kbps |
| 03:58.28 | ImHereForTheLulz | kilobytes per second |
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| 03:58.54 | ImHereForTheLulz | my uploadspeed has a max rate of 1280kbps |
| 03:58.55 | abrotman | !wondershaper |
| 03:58.55 | dpkg | The Wonder Shaper is a script using the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, e.g. ensuring downloads continue at full speed while uploads occur at their maximum rate, keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy. Packaged for Debian, read /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian after installation. http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ See also <lartc>. |
| 03:58.56 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 03:59.22 | ImHereForTheLulz | hm - i dont know |
| 03:59.26 | kellnola | ImHereForTheLulz, the wonder shaper script does that very easily, no fuss |
| 03:59.39 | ImHereForTheLulz | will try it |
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| 03:59.57 | ImHereForTheLulz | but if i read this description |
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| 04:00.33 | kellnola | there is a variable to set the max upstream bandwidth |
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| 04:00.42 | ImHereForTheLulz | nevermind - will try it - brainfart |
| 04:00.56 | ImHereForTheLulz | for a specific port? |
| 04:01.04 | ImHereForTheLulz | i only want to limit the ftp service |
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| 04:02.04 | kellnola | ImHereForTheLulz, may I ask why you want to limit the ftp service? |
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| 04:02.55 | ImHereForTheLulz | here, read the first post |
| 04:02.57 | ImHereForTheLulz | thats me |
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| 04:02.57 | ImHereForTheLulz | http://forums.openmediavault.org/index.php/Thread/6943-Fixed-upload-rate-for-ALL-users-or-the-ProFTPd-service-itself/ |
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| 04:03.19 | ImHereForTheLulz | i've installed debian on the server today |
| 04:03.24 | ImHereForTheLulz | and then openmediavault ontop |
| 04:03.43 | ImHereForTheLulz | as someone mentioned i wont get any support when using openmediavault, as its only based on debian |
| 04:03.47 | kellnola | ImHereForTheLulz, oh, well the wshaper is just what you want |
| 04:04.11 | kellnola | just put ftp in the "low priority" list and that should be it |
| 04:05.12 | ImHereForTheLulz | i will try that, but i dont think that will help :P |
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| 04:05.57 | ImHereForTheLulz | wondershaper [-hcs] [-a <adapter>] [-d <rate>] [-u <rate>] |
| 04:05.59 | ImHereForTheLulz | well |
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| 04:06.11 | ImHereForTheLulz | its limiting the global bandwidth, isn't it? |
| 04:06.22 | ImHereForTheLulz | i dont want that |
| 04:06.51 | ImHereForTheLulz | as mentioned, only for port 21 and maybe for a few more, as i'm planning to use encrypted ftp in the future |
| 04:07.09 | ImHereForTheLulz | samba/cifs should still run with fullspeed if possible |
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| 04:07.10 | ImHereForTheLulz | in my lan |
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| 04:19.55 | Landen | Has anyone here recently built a workstation here? I'm having trouble choosing a GPU with decent support in testing. |
| 04:20.27 | srg | I installed jessie on a laptop a month ago |
| 04:20.48 | srg | it has a Core i5 with Intel HD Graphics 3000 |
| 04:20.55 | srg | It works ok. It's not like I do gaming or anything. |
| 04:21.37 | Landen | So I'm basically just trying to put together a build for a testing install but it won't be used for any gaming |
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| 04:22.29 | srg | I got this laptop as a refurb off Groupon for like $200 |
| 04:22.37 | srg | shrugs |
| 04:22.54 | srg | My only hang up with it was the wifi card. |
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| 04:23.12 | srg | That took about 10-15 extra minutes and then I got the correct drivers installed and it works fine |
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| 04:56.29 | ImHereForTheLulz | okay - wondershaper ist not working for me |
| 04:56.39 | ImHereForTheLulz | as it only limits the whole bandwidth, which is not what i want |
| 04:56.55 | ImHereForTheLulz | pyshaper also didn't work for me |
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| 04:59.07 | Rusty1 | ImHereForTheLulz: might ask on ##networking as well |
| 04:59.51 | ImHereForTheLulz | good idea - thanks |
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| 05:57.32 | themill | fling: (also, please don't cross-post...) |
| 05:57.39 | fling | themill: sorry ;P |
| 05:58.17 | fling | mjt: thanks. |
| 05:59.47 | mjt | fwiw, that's not an "official solution", I just pointed out a possible direction (to use google) |
| 06:00.21 | mjt | I've no idea what this led_aging.sh thing is, where it comes from and why it errors out |
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| 06:01.05 | fling | mjt: but you are right anyway.o |
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| 06:19.30 | Naphidia | how do i bring up both wifi adaptors at boot, i have one connecting to another access point the other i want to be static |
| 06:19.39 | Naphidia | the static ip isn't being assigned to wlan1 |
| 06:19.51 | Naphidia | auto wlan1 |
| 06:19.51 | Naphidia | allow-hotplug wlan1 |
| 06:19.51 | Naphidia | iface wlan1 inet static |
| 06:19.51 | Naphidia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.51 | Naphidia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.06 | Naphidia | any ideas? |
| 06:20.42 | rwp | There are about three different ways (or more) of doing the wifi lan adapter stuff. |
| 06:21.01 | rwp | If I said one way was the best there would be others suggesting something different. |
| 06:21.10 | Naphidia | i dont care which isthe best |
| 06:21.17 | rwp | Try the different ones I am going to suggest and then see which works best for you. |
| 06:21.21 | Naphidia | k |
| 06:21.23 | rwp | Are you using wpa_suplicant? |
| 06:21.26 | Naphidia | no |
| 06:21.35 | Naphidia | just basic |
| 06:21.41 | rwp | I am looking up my notes on this... |
| 06:23.09 | Naphidia | k |
| 06:23.09 | rwp | Both of your wifi ports are clients? (Not using hostapd?) |
| 06:23.16 | Naphidia | 1 is using hostapd |
| 06:23.25 | Naphidia | the other is connecting to my wifi router |
| 06:23.55 | Naphidia | i didnt have enough long enough cable so wifi was the next best option |
| 06:24.00 | rwp | Ah... So you are setting up a DIY access point. Excellent. |
| 06:24.07 | Naphidia | yea |
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| 06:24.34 | Naphidia | its routing everything nicely across, just a pain to have to start services manually every boot |
| 06:24.38 | rwp | Those work great. It has just been a while so I am reading my notes so I can give you the best answer I can. |
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| 06:26.18 | rwp | Most of my notes are on the setup of the hostapd side of things and I assume you have that part all done already. |
| 06:26.51 | Naphidia | yup all that stuff is configured and working |
| 06:27.19 | rwp | Your upstream wifi is WPA/WPA2? Or unencrypted? I am hoping you say WPA/WPA2. Because that is what I always set up. |
| 06:27.50 | Naphidia | yup |
| 06:27.51 | rwp | I remember there is unencrypted, wireless-tools, wpa_supplicant ways of doing the connection. |
| 06:28.18 | rwp | I remember that the wireless-tools method was generally easy and reliable for the client. |
| 06:28.57 | rwp | Which means something like this config. IIRC. |
| 06:29.02 | rwp | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 06:29.09 | rwp | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
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| 06:29.23 | rwp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:29.37 | Naphidia | hah i figured it out |
| 06:29.38 | Naphidia | lol |
| 06:29.44 | rwp | When done that way the ifupdown tools should be able to start things automatically. |
| 06:29.53 | rwp | Good! What did you end up with. |
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| 06:30.14 | rwp | In any case, doing it with the wpa-foo stuff in /etc/network/interfaces uses the wireless-tools way of startup. |
| 06:30.27 | rwp | The other way is the "wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa-roam.conf" way. |
| 06:30.38 | rwp | That is much more flexible but I always found it much more confusing too. |
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| 06:31.44 | rwp | For the hostapd side of things I found that after starting hostapd I needed to restart the dhcp server. |
| 06:32.04 | Naphidia | http://pastebin.com/AXg4Cc8R |
| 06:32.05 | rwp | I like and use the isc-dhcp-server and it binds to networks after it starts. |
| 06:32.09 | Naphidia | yeah i got everything else working |
| 06:32.21 | rwp | That is it doesn't detect that a new network appeared. So needs to be restarted after the network is up. |
| 06:32.24 | Naphidia | it was just that small anoance |
| 06:32.46 | Naphidia | its working beautifuly now |
| 06:32.57 | Naphidia | don't need a monitor for my pi now |
| 06:33.01 | rwp | Looking at your paste. Very good. |
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| 06:33.39 | rwp | I never needed an "iface default inet dhcp" line. |
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| 06:34.47 | rwp | Here is my hostapd section. http://pastebin.com/YxTUNqN6 |
| 06:36.36 | rwp | Contents of the wlan0.conf file. http://pastebin.com/K7Ah2Z41 |
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| 06:37.12 | rwp | With that everything is completely automatic for hotplugging and restarting. |
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| 06:38.44 | rwp | I know you said you had it all working but I figure another example is always useful for comparison. |
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| 06:40.09 | rwp | BTW... The Pi is great for this but it is going to be limited to 50Mbit/s across the usb networking. |
| 06:40.28 | rwp | Meaning that the wifi performance limitation is the Pi itself. With two interfaces running it will drop to 25Mbit/s throughput. |
| 06:40.41 | rwp | Which is okay. Not great. But quite acceptable for most things. |
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| 06:40.49 | zoosemeus | Do you mean the Pi 2? |
| 06:40.52 | Naphidia | yup, don't need it for much |
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| 06:41.07 | Naphidia | im holding off on the Pi2 cause of the bug |
| 06:41.16 | zoosemeus | lol camera flash kills it |
| 06:41.16 | rwp | If the Pi 2 has the same usb chip for networking as the Pi 1 then yes. And I think it does. |
| 06:41.41 | rwp | But I only have the original Pi (times four) so don't have a Pi 2 in my hand yet to test it. |
| 06:41.52 | Naphidia | I have the B model |
| 06:42.01 | rwp | The original Pi A & B models put everything through the usb chip. |
| 06:42.03 | zoosemeus | That's actually why I'm here. Hopefully someone can help me out with my Pi |
| 06:42.23 | rwp | Which generates a huge amount of interrupt traffic. And has limited bandwidth of 50Mbit/s max. |
| 06:42.41 | rwp | Two data streams share that so split it to 25Mbit/s through in and out when used as a wifi router. |
| 06:43.08 | rwp | I still use it for that purpose anyway. But just mentioning it as a limitation. |
| 06:43.22 | zoosemeus | How is the Pi as a router? |
| 06:43.34 | rwp | Which is why the BeagleBone Black and Banana Pi and Cubie boards tend t obe better because they don't have the cheap usb chip. |
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| 06:44.28 | rwp | If your expectations are for a fun DIY router for $35 that gives you a complete software operating system then it is great! |
| 06:44.43 | rwp | At the limitation of the limited bandwidth capable through it. |
| 06:44.51 | zoosemeus | I have the B+ and I'm satisfied with it so far |
| 06:45.05 | zoosemeus | could be more powerful but honestly for what it is, I'm happy. |
| 06:45.19 | rwp | I have something like six of the original A & B Pis total. Four in active service here and there. |
| 06:45.46 | rwp | One has been in continuous service 24x7 for more than a year solid now with zero problems. |
| 06:45.46 | zoosemeus | Having a bit of trouble with it at the moment though. I'm a total noob with the permissions structure in linux and I can't get owncloud to play nice with the Transmission daemon |
| 06:46.08 | rwp | Two have been in use as wifi routers in a couple of interesting places. |
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| 06:46.36 | rwp | Sorry but I live under a rock and do not know anything about owncloud or Transmission daemon. |
| 06:47.06 | rwp | How are those related to using a Pi as a router? |
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| 06:47.39 | zoosemeus | Owncloud is a file server and "cloud" storage, transmission is a torrent client. it's not related to using the Pi as a router but I thought I'd bring it up since you sound like you know what you're doing |
| 06:48.10 | zoosemeus | do you know how to create a group and give ownership of a directory to that group recursively? |
| 06:48.54 | rwp | I haven't any experience with owncloud. For bittorrent I use bttorrent command line program. |
| 06:49.13 | rwp | Can help you with file permissions. What do you want to do? chown -R foo:foo somepath? |
| 06:49.34 | rwp | If you want to create a group use: # addgroup foogroup |
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| 06:50.14 | rwp | If you want to add yourself to that group that you just created (probably you do) then: addgroup youraccount groupname |
| 06:50.31 | zoosemeus | basically, owncloud has a web interface but it refuses to run when it doesn't completely own the directory of the file server. Transmission can't write to the file server when owncloud owns it so I can't download torrents. It's probably something basic but I'm over my head a bit |
| 06:51.03 | rwp | If you are setting up UPG (User Private Groups) then you will want to also set the set-group-id bit. |
| 06:51.14 | rwp | Ah... The web server runs as a non-priviledged user www-data. |
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| 06:51.21 | zoosemeus | exactly |
| 06:51.27 | rwp | By design it doesn't have write permission to the file system. |
| 06:51.32 | rwp | I am strongly in the camp that it shouldn't. |
| 06:51.36 | zoosemeus | can I escalate www-data to have that permission? |
| 06:51.45 | rwp | But Wordpress and other tools really want to be able to write to the file system. |
| 06:52.04 | rwp | It is why it is always getting compromised in attacks. It is ripe for the picking. |
| 06:52.22 | zoosemeus | aha, I see |
| 06:52.24 | rwp | But if you really want to do that then you can chown the file permissions to allow the www-data user to write to the files. |
| 06:52.43 | rwp | The group is also www-data. Often written as www-data:www-data to refer to user:group. |
| 06:53.00 | zoosemeus | www-data has read/write permissions for the file server storage directories |
| 06:53.06 | rwp | If you set the group to be www-data group and group writable then the web server can write it. |
| 06:54.37 | rwp | zoosemeus, So do you have a question? Or is it working? Or? |
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| 06:54.55 | zoosemeus | Yeah, I do. Sorry, I don't know how to put it accurately |
| 06:55.07 | zoosemeus | Basically, Owncloud already works great. that's fine |
| 06:55.40 | zoosemeus | but Transmission can't write to the server storage directories because owncloud insists on www-data being the sole user to have that privilege |
| 06:56.07 | rwp | What user account is running transmission? |
| 06:56.08 | zoosemeus | so I'm not sure how to set it up so that my transmission download directory is within the owncloud file server directory |
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| 06:56.26 | zoosemeus | debian-transmission is running transmission |
| 06:56.41 | rwp | owncloud looks interesting. I need to queue it up to try it. |
| 06:57.16 | rwp | I think you should add debian-transmission to the www-data group so that it has group write permission. I think. |
| 06:57.25 | rwp | adduser debian-transmission www-data |
| 06:57.29 | zoosemeus | how do I do that? |
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| 06:57.55 | rwp | Remember that after changing groups one must log out and then log back in again in order for groups to be assigned at login time. |
| 06:58.22 | rwp | It is also useful to set the set-group-id bit on the directories. So that any new files will be created with that group. |
| 06:58.24 | zoosemeus | thanks, I've just done that and rebooted the pi. hopefully that does it |
| 06:58.38 | zoosemeus | What's set-group-id? |
| 06:58.44 | rwp | find ./path -type d -exec chmod g+ws {} + |
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| 06:59.19 | rwp | The directory permissions will look like drwxrwxr-x right? The group permissions are the middle rwx part. |
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| 06:59.37 | rwp | The set-gid bit is the middle 'x'. drwxrwsr-x and it will be an 's' if set. |
| 06:59.49 | rwp | Newly created files in that directory will be created with the group of the directory. |
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| 06:59.59 | zoosemeus | I want the group permissions for owncloud and transmission alike to be rwx |
| 07:00.04 | rwp | It is what allows two users using UPG to share working in a directory. |
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| 07:00.42 | rwp | Actually I think you really want them to be rws emphasis on the 's' bit, so that they can share the same directory. |
| 07:00.43 | zoosemeus | ah, that makes sense |
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| 07:00.53 | zoosemeus | yeah, rws makes sense |
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| 07:00.58 | rwp | If you google around for User Private Groups you should find some docs on it. |
| 07:01.21 | rwp | Normally my user:group is rwp:rwp and yours would be zoosemeus:zoosemeus with each of us in our own private groups. |
| 07:01.26 | zoosemeus | so chmod rws /server/dir/here/ |
| 07:01.54 | rwp | But if you and I were sharing a directory and working on it then we would create a shared group say "photos" or something. |
| 07:02.12 | rwp | mkdir shareddir ; chgrp photos shareddir ; chmod g+ws shareddir |
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| 07:02.42 | rwp | That would set it up with drwxrwsr-x and any newly created files or directories in it would then be owned by whoever created the file but the group would then be photos. |
| 07:03.00 | rwp | Any directories made in that dir would have those propagated. |
| 07:03.27 | zoosemeus | the newly created files are owned by the individual user that created them. does that mean that other users can't edit them? |
| 07:03.33 | rwp | Also important to complete the environment is to have umask set to 02 not 022. So that files and dirs remain group writable. Because UPG counts on group permissions. |
| 07:03.50 | rwp | Users are in groups. Group permission allows shared editing. |
| 07:04.00 | mactimes | Would someone recommend a robust and natively supported, if any, live deduplication-enabled filesystem for stable? |
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| 07:04.54 | zoosemeus | @rwp : my head is spinning but I'll bone up on UPG and the like to try and sort this out. Thanks a bunch |
| 07:04.58 | rwp | mactimes, I don't know of any to recommend. I am always hearing about zfs. But I don't know if it is in a recommendable state. |
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| 07:05.24 | mactimes | rwp Right. Thank you for the reply. |
| 07:05.35 | rwp | zoosemeus, It will give you some reading to do. |
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| 07:06.53 | rwp | zoosemeus, Re:"chmod rws /server/dir/here" not quite: chmod g+ws /server/dir/here |
| 07:07.21 | rwp | chmod has the old octal forms. Used them for many years. I now prefer the symbolic forms because I find them unambiguously easier. |
| 07:07.30 | zoosemeus | gotcha |
| 07:07.40 | rwp | Start with either 'a' for all or one 'u'ser 'g'roup 'o'ther. |
| 07:07.47 | rwp | + or - the mode you want to change. |
| 07:08.04 | rwp | Then 'r'ead 'w'rite 'x'ecute 's'et |
| 07:08.22 | rwp | So group plus write and setgroupid is g+ws |
| 07:08.44 | rwp | Also commonly a+r for all plus read. other - write o-w |
| 07:08.49 | zoosemeus | how do I define the group? |
| 07:08.51 | rwp | Those should all make pretty good sense. |
| 07:09.07 | rwp | But careful with 'x' because only executables and directories should have the x bit. |
| 07:09.18 | rwp | Use 'addgroup' to create a new shared group. |
| 07:09.34 | rwp | Can also use the --system option if you want to make it a low numbered group. |
| 07:09.45 | rwp | Doesn't really matter too much. Just a personal preference. |
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| 07:10.11 | rwp | Use 'adduser useraccount groupname' to add a user account to a group. |
| 07:10.44 | zoosemeus | I'm looking at /etc/passwd and it doesn't seem to indicate that debian-transmission and www-data are in the same group |
| 07:11.51 | rwp | Right. That was why I suggested adding one to the other group. |
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| 07:12.17 | rwp | Just by "feel" I would add debian-transmission to the www-data group. |
| 07:12.18 | zoosemeus | okay, I'll add debian-transmission to www-data then? |
| 07:12.26 | hejux | .. |
| 07:12.35 | rwp | What package is debian-transmission from? |
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| 07:13.11 | zoosemeus | transmission and transmission-daemon |
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| 07:14.29 | zoosemeus | OH SHIT SON. This is working! |
| 07:14.37 | zoosemeus | Thank you! |
| 07:14.43 | rwp | zoosemeus, I don't really know what is the best thing for you to do to combine those two into a good gestalt. |
| 07:14.53 | rwp | Just making it up as I go along. |
| 07:14.59 | rwp | Glad to hear it is working. Yay! |
| 07:15.23 | zoosemeus | I'm not really sure what did it but it is operational now. I've got some learning to do now haha. |
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| 07:16.14 | rwp | To recap: Each user runs in their own private user:group space. That keeps each user process from writing over other files. |
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| 07:16.35 | rwp | Which is one layer in what normally keeps the web server from writing outside of its box. |
| 07:17.04 | rwp | It is only one of the layers of security protection. To crack through it there would also need to be an additional security vulnerabilty. |
| 07:17.13 | zoosemeus | right, okay. that makes sense |
| 07:17.22 | zoosemeus | I have to figure out what "streams" are now too |
| 07:17.32 | zoosemeus | such a jump going form Win7 to debian |
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| 07:17.49 | rwp | You just softened that one layer for this one particular use case. Very targeted. |
| 07:18.07 | rwp | chuckles |
| 07:18.19 | rwp | Streams could refer to many things. In what context? |
| 07:19.00 | rwp | I was chuckling at the jump from Windows 7 to Debian comment. |
| 07:19.25 | zoosemeus | the I/O for a particular process usually takes place in a stream from what I understand. That's why I can run multiple ssh connections at the same time and not have them interefere with each other |
| 07:19.49 | zoosemeus | I think that's what it means anyway, I have no idea. is there a good linux for noobs tutorial series or something? |
| 07:19.56 | rwp | I/O streams such as stdin, stdout, stderr. Gotcha. |
| 07:20.05 | zoosemeus | yeah, those are the ones |
| 07:20.20 | rwp | It isn't that there isn't any documentation. The problem is that Unix has been around for 40 years and there are decades of it. |
| 07:20.24 | rwp | All in different vintages. |
| 07:21.07 | rwp | Your topic crosses not just shell pipelines but when adding networked tools also adds IP addresses and ports into the discussion. |
| 07:21.32 | rwp | Much better when done with a blackboard and drawing diagrams showing how things are plumbed together. |
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| 07:22.10 | zoosemeus | I get the gist of things and I sort of appreciate how it all comes together but the actual nitty gritty is a complete mystery to me. |
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| 07:24.56 | rwp | Don't get overwhelmed. Start small. Learn it one piece at a time. Focus on the fundamentals and build up a base from there. |
| 07:25.05 | rwp | It will all come together with time and experience. |
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| 07:25.53 | cafuego | Speak for yourself, I was born with a complete knowledge of unix systems internals and administration skills. |
| 07:26.23 | rwp | laughs |
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| 07:26.49 | cafuego | oh and a neckbeard. Not claiming I was a *pretty* baby... |
| 07:27.39 | zoosemeus | I started that journey about 8 years ago when I first installed Ubuntu on my beater laptop but I'm slowly realizing that you can easily use the Ubuntu GUI without getting a proper understanding of the underlying infrastructure |
| 07:27.49 | zoosemeus | lol baby with a neckbeard |
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| 07:29.18 | rwp | I started out around 1983 for a short time on a DEC microvax. But got involved in earnest around 1987 on an HP-UX s500. |
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| 07:33.24 | zoosemeus | well I was born in '93 so you've got quite the headstart haha |
| 07:33.46 | rwp | Experience and treachery will always triumph over youth and enthusiasm. |
| 07:33.55 | rwp | With emphasis on the treachery. |
| 07:34.10 | rwp | laughs bwahahaha |
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| 07:40.24 | zoosemeus | Alright well I've got to get some rest but thank you so very much rwp |
| 07:40.58 | rwp | zoosemeus, Good night! It is after midnight for me too. Good luck! |
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| 07:51.35 | tonny | hi, i have an error with sudo apt-get update command, says could not resolve .... http://paste.debian.net/145446 |
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| 07:52.21 | tonny | may i know how to solve it please? |
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| 08:03.23 | bnw | tonny: I have encountered this before, kind of related to the repository not being the latest, maybe it's still syncing. |
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| 08:04.20 | bnw | You can wait a bit or try switching to another repo. |
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| 08:18.40 | tonny | bnw, thanks for the reply |
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| 08:31.13 | trysten | does anyone know why iceweasel's pdf.js is not rendering text in my pdf? |
| 08:31.29 | themill | any pdf or just one? pdf.js is pretty crap |
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| 08:32.15 | trysten | themill: just one of them. i didn't think to check, thank you |
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| 08:32.38 | trysten | themill: yeah, it's quite slow. i just want it to work for something so i don't have to leave iceweasel. thanks! |
| 08:33.17 | themill | I sometimes get the feeling that I spend more time waiting for it to render a file to then hit the "open in different viewer" button than I save by using it in the first place |
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| 08:34.34 | future28 | If I use networkmanager (gui), what happens if I add entries to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:35.12 | themill | n-m won't touch interfaces listed in /e/n/i (see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian) |
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| 08:42.24 | pfote | in crontab, sunday is 0 right? |
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| 08:57.05 | ChrisH | pfote: man 5 crontab tells: day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) |
| 08:57.30 | pfote | yeah, already found it, but tnx :-) |
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| 10:05.58 | Nyctophilia | Hello - I'm having a problem with my Debian 7.8 64bit headless server - whenever I try to reboot the server (sometimes it reboots without any problems) it gets stuck after loading up grub - blackscreen - no activity on the HDD LED. Shutdown and Wake on LAN works fine ever time, no problems here |
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| 10:06.52 | Nyctophilia | Hardware is: ASRock Q1900-ITX | 1x4GB Corsair Vengeance SODIMM DDR3 | 1xWD Red 3TB | 1xApacer 1,8" SATA1 SSD 32GB as system drive | be quiet! Pure Power L8 350W |
| 10:07.11 | Nyctophilia | newest UEFI and firmware installed |
| 10:07.46 | Nyctophilia | its not the ssd, i've swapped it with a hdd for testing purposes and the same problem occured |
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| 10:34.13 | BobBall | Howdy - is there a way to track progress of an automated install? I've got a CI environment which installs debian from scratch, so I've got a preseed but sometimes it fails. I want to be able to (for example) ssh into the host and tail a log file, or wget the progress-log from the host somehow... Possible? |
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| 10:43.17 | ujjain | Can somebody that regularly makes .deb files point me to a good howto? There seem so many ways to do it. |
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| 10:49.12 | jelly | dpkg, tell ujjain about nmg |
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| 10:50.30 | jelly | ujjain: you can ask the bot about other related factoids in private, like this: /msg dpkg best practices |
| 10:50.44 | ujjain | thanks :) apprecaite it |
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| 10:55.54 | ujjain | it's a 86 page sheet showing mostly rebuilding source debian |
| 10:56.16 | ujjain | packages, rather than maknig your own |
| 10:57.11 | ujjain | I just want my own files in specific locations, i have a tarball. |
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| 10:58.28 | mrMute | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:58.49 | mrMute | typo |
| 10:59.36 | jelly | that was an example. |
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| 11:06.28 | ujjain | ah ok, I guess I just need some more tmie reading, I get a little confused |
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| 11:08.19 | Iridos | happens often |
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| 11:18.50 | Camusensei | Hello. on wheezy, I installed java6 and java7 and I'd like to know how to change this symlink: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java -> java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64 to /usr/lib/jvm/default-java -> java-1.7.0-openjdk-amd64 . Is it possible with an update-alternative or update-java-alternative? I could find how :/ |
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| 11:20.09 | Camusensei | I couldn't* |
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| 11:22.19 | petn-randall | Camusensei: That symlink is shipped by defaults-jre-headless. You could always bend it to something else with dpkg-divert. But why do you need to change that? |
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| 11:23.55 | jelly | Camusensei: I'm not sure you're supposed to change that, but you can change eg. /usr/bin/java, /usr/bin/javac etc. |
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| 11:24.01 | Camusensei | petn-randall: I've got tomcat which uses this symlink as the executing java version... so my code doesn't work on tomcat... |
| 11:24.07 | jelly | !update-java-alternatives |
| 11:24.07 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the amd64 openjdk-7 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-1.7.0-openjdk-amd64". |
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| 11:34.32 | Camusensei | jelly, petn-randall: I removed default-jre-headless since I don't need it now that java7 is installed and tomcat uses the right java version now. Thank you. |
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| 11:35.29 | jelly | wonder how it found the wrong one in the first place |
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| 11:37.51 | Camusensei | tomcat found the wrong one because it looks for /usr/lib/jvm/default-java first before any other java directory (/etc/init.d/tomcat7 line 81) |
| 11:37.57 | Camusensei | jelly: ^ |
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| 11:38.20 | aeg | Hi, in Gnome "file browser" where can i set the default view to list ? |
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| 11:39.38 | aeg | sorry, got it |
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| 12:00.13 | abator | i need a software to make iso files on debian |
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| 12:00.25 | abator | what isomaker is good with GUI? |
| 12:00.35 | abator | iso maker*** |
| 12:01.01 | colo-work | k3b |
| 12:01.14 | abator | ok |
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| 12:02.25 | DevAntoine | hi |
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| 12:02.56 | DevAntoine | I'm lost with self-signed certificate generation and dunno where to ask |
| 12:03.06 | abator | mine is gnome, i am sorry i did not tell you that |
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| 12:03.31 | abator | colo-work: will that k3b work with gnome too? |
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| 12:04.15 | humbot | k3b will work |
| 12:04.22 | colo-work | abator, yes. though you might want to try brasero first |
| 12:04.38 | humbot | it might look a bit odd and drag in loads of extra librairies |
| 12:04.40 | colo-work | it integrates better with a GTK desktop, though is the less featureful application overall |
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| 12:06.06 | Twinkletoes | I want to keep a very basic database of users, contact details and subscrption status, making it available online to selected users. Is there anything that's lightweight which I could use? I've looked at vTiger but it's far far more than we'll ever need. |
| 12:06.50 | abator | ty, i should check it anyway |
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| 12:22.17 | memeka | hi, i'm getting errors with systemd booting ... anyone can help with that? |
| 12:22.48 | BrainWork | hi, i have a strange problem with mysql. i can't find anything saying wtf is going off on google. i was running mysql-server-5.5, and after an apt-get upgrade on stable it jumped all the way to 5.7 in one go. its broken all my database tables and locked me out of root on it, and i cant figure out how to update it. whats with the huge version jump??? |
| 12:23.12 | BrainWork | its also now fetching it from mysql's servers rather than the apt repository, and their gpg keys are broken |
| 12:24.17 | memeka | can anyone help me with this: http://pastebin.com/8nHfmCJ6 why is it not booting? |
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| 12:30.16 | BrainWork | im reinstalling a blank db instance. cant figure out why its gone from 5.5 to 5.7, not convenient. could have hosed a production server :/ |
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| 12:32.52 | themill | BrainWork: mysql 5.7 isn't anywhere in debian -- if you've got 3rd party repos in there (which it sounds like you do) then there's the source of your problem |
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| 12:34.54 | themill | memeka: and what do the logs tell you? it looks like it's struggling to find a partition on the sd card |
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| 12:36.34 | memeka | themill: what log should I look at? |
| 12:36.54 | BrainWork | themill: i didnt add the repos, they seem to come from the default apt sources |
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| 12:37.29 | themill | BrainWork: not a chance. |
| 12:37.36 | themill | !show sources.list BrainWork |
| 12:37.36 | dpkg | BrainWork: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 12:37.46 | themill | memeka: exactly what it says at the end of your paste |
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| 12:40.27 | BrainWork | http://pastebin.com/9vBFitMt themill |
| 12:40.48 | BrainWork | theres a mysql.list in the sources.d, i didnt add it, and it says its an automatically configured file? |
| 12:41.11 | BrainWork | it seems to refer to http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian/ |
| 12:41.18 | snadge | im just doing a jessie install at the moment.. what does the "standard system utilities" in tasksel install? |
| 12:42.08 | memeka | themill: there is no more info there |
| 12:42.22 | memeka | there are 2 jobs failing: Unit dev-mmcblk0p1.device has failed (TIMEOUT) |
| 12:42.54 | memeka | mmcblk0p1 is a partition that should be mounted in /boot and is present in /etc/fstab |
| 12:43.03 | memeka | if I do "mount /boot" it works |
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| 12:43.06 | centrx | snadge, I don't see "standard system utilities" in my tasksel? |
| 12:43.06 | snadge | most of the guides for installation say to select standard system utilities.. which makes me wonder what they are, and why its optional |
| 12:43.11 | themill | BrainWork: either you or someone else who admins the box has installed packages from mysql.com that add themselves to the apt sources. If you have etckeeper installer then that might tell you when this change was made. |
| 12:43.18 | snadge | centrx, this is during install |
| 12:43.20 | themill | dpkg: tell snadge about standard task |
| 12:43.36 | kay______ | am I automatically upgraded to debian 7.8 when I do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:43.47 | kay______ | assuming I strarted with debian 7.xx |
| 12:43.54 | memeka | themill: and the second job is Job dev-ttySAC2.device/start timed out. ; ttySAC2 is the UART console (there is no tty), I have the boot line containing "console=ttySAC2,115200n8" |
| 12:44.20 | themill | memeka: is that fstab line for /boot correct? |
| 12:44.29 | kay______ | oh, weird - for some reason I thought debian_version never changed from 7.0 |
| 12:44.31 | themill | ah yes |
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| 12:44.32 | kay______ | but it says 7.8 |
| 12:44.46 | memeka | themill: yes, otherwise "mount /boot" would not work |
| 12:44.48 | kay______ | which answers my question |
| 12:44.58 | FooDeas | Hi! I want that a single client doesn't get the option "domain-name". How do I prevent that the client requests it? Removing the request option from clients dhclient.conf doesn't work... |
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| 12:45.05 | memeka | themill: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot vfat defaults 0 0 |
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| 12:45.35 | memeka | themill: fdisk shows: /dev/mmcblk0p1 3072 266239 263168 128.5M 6 FAT16 |
| 12:46.24 | memeka | themill: mount /boot; mount | grep boot => /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /boot type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro) |
| 12:47.19 | themill | /boot on vfat. how kinky |
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| 12:48.49 | themill | memeka: I take it that this serial console is in fact working too and that's how you're gathering this info? |
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| 12:49.57 | memeka | themill: yes |
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| 12:50.21 | memeka | there is no screen, just serial console.. and it's working :( |
| 12:50.39 | themill | memeka: perhaps #systemd will be able to help us understand why these timeouts are happening then |
| 12:50.50 | memeka | thanks themill |
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| 12:53.11 | BrainWork | themill: only i have access to this box. it is a development workstation |
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| 12:53.42 | BrainWork | the files were changed december 5th 2014 |
| 12:53.58 | themill | that's probably when the package was built though |
| 12:54.16 | BrainWork | and building a package would mess with my apt sources? |
| 12:54.21 | themill | but it at least puts some bounds on when you installed the packages from mysql.com |
| 12:54.37 | BrainWork | because that would be an annoying undocumented feature if so... |
| 12:55.18 | themill | building sane packages on a machine doesn't do anything to that machine |
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| 12:59.36 | themill | BrainWork: if your log rotation goes back far enough, you might find when you installed packages from mysql.com in /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 13:00.07 | G66k | hello everyone |
| 13:00.33 | G66k | im trying to use smtp on my debian but i got this error : 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first |
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| 13:01.27 | pfote | G66k: whats unclear with that error message? |
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| 13:01.43 | jelly | G66k: it tells you your client should use TLS (STARTTLS) to switch on SSL, before attempting authentication |
| 13:02.02 | BrainWork | thanks themill |
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| 13:02.09 | BrainWork | ive got some digging to do, cya later |
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| 13:02.54 | G66k | jelly may you tell me how to fix it ? |
| 13:03.00 | G66k | or force it to use TLS |
| 13:03.13 | em|biketron | Hi everyone i try to get NFS rootfs to work on jessie .... but it still keeps mounting the root as readonly |
| 13:03.19 | em|biketron | any idea? |
| 13:03.20 | jelly | G66k: depends on the client |
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| 13:06.02 | G66k | jelly how to check ? |
| 13:06.22 | jelly | G66k: which client software are you using? |
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| 13:08.10 | jelly | G66k: for example, if you used icedove/thunderbird, you'd go to Edit -> Account Settings -> Outgoing Server (SMTP) -> pick one -> Edit... -> Security and Authentication -> Connection security -> STARTTLS |
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| 13:37.02 | cuihao | Hi, all. |
| 13:37.06 | cuihao | I'm trying to set up a bridge interface for LXC in Debian in VirtualBox. |
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| 13:37.15 | cuihao | If I turn up the interface, after some time I'll be unable to ping gateway. |
| 13:37.25 | cuihao | (gateway of eth0 |
| 13:38.07 | cuihao | I have no idea why this happen.... Did anyone encounter this problem before? |
| 13:38.48 | cuihao | ping gateway returns "Network Unreachable" |
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| 13:40.21 | centrx | I have not encountered this problem before, but I haven't used LXC either :) |
| 13:40.52 | cuihao | =3 |
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| 13:59.49 | mflow | How can I install Qt Core 5 in Debian GNU/Linux 7.8 (wheezy)? apt-get install libqt5core5a yields this dependency hell error: https://paste.kde.org/pc7j0eeza/isnbjm |
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| 14:01.08 | centrx | mflow, I don't see any package called "libqt5core5a" in Debian? |
| 14:01.10 | jelly | ,v libqt5core5a |
| 14:01.28 | judd | Package: libqt5core5a on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4~bpo70+1; sid: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+b1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+b1; experimental: 5.4.0+dfsg-4 |
| 14:01.28 | ChrisH | cuihao: if you tcpdump and both ends (host and guest) do you see these pings? Netmask correct on both sides? On HP/UX I would have said that dead gateway detection. But I am unsure if thats in Linux/Debian |
| 14:01.30 | mflow | that's the single package that contains Qt 5Core |
| 14:01.45 | themill | dpkg: tell mflow about wheezy-backports |
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| 14:02.01 | themill | mflow: don't try install packages from jessie/sid on a wheezy machine |
| 14:02.05 | centrx | oh pdo is suppressing results again |
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| 14:04.05 | mflow | themill: I've disabled testing and unstable repositories and added backports , now it seems to allow me to install libqt5core5a |
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| 14:05.09 | mflow | I still need a chroot though version `GLIBC_2.14' not found version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found |
| 14:05.19 | jelly | mflow: the repo and packages are not made for Debian 7. |
| 14:05.38 | jelly | ah, never mind, I'm too slow |
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| 14:05.41 | mflow | jelly: what repo? |
| 14:05.59 | themill | mflow: what's giving that GLIBC error? |
| 14:05.59 | jelly | disregard that |
| 14:06.24 | mflow | themill: I've ported a C++ binary compiled on another system |
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| 14:06.48 | mflow | And I'm trying to determine what are its dependecies to be able to run it |
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| 14:06.59 | jelly | I don't think that word, "ported" means what you think it means. |
| 14:07.17 | themill | inconceivable |
| 14:07.37 | mflow | I compiled the binary in Ubuntu 14.04 and want to run it in Debian 7.8 |
| 14:07.46 | themill | mflow: don't. Compile it on debian. |
| 14:07.47 | mflow | GLIB spits on my face |
| 14:07.55 | mflow | ABI fail |
| 14:08.04 | KaaK | mflow, objdump -p <path to elf> | grep NEEDED |
| 14:08.28 | KaaK | it still is unlikely to run, but worth a quick shot |
| 14:08.30 | mflow | KaaK: cool |
| 14:08.49 | themill | all that will tell you is that it doesn't work |
| 14:09.00 | cuihao | ChrisH, guest ping host, tcpdump on host, like this: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/2410706 |
| 14:09.02 | mflow | I know, I need the same supported glib |
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| 14:09.12 | KaaK | its a single command to find out |
| 14:09.46 | KaaK | mflow, you're best bet for getting it to work, would be to rebuild the debian source package for the ubuntu version ON your debian 7.8 machine |
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| 14:10.26 | KaaK | with any luck, and if it is a simple project, it might be a straight forward process |
| 14:10.38 | KaaK | bear in mind though -- it could also be about 1.5 bitches. |
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| 14:14.23 | ChrisH | cuihao: check the netmasks on both sides. ICMP Echo Request is coming in, but the host does not answer them. So check also the routing on the host. (understood you did tcpdump on the host and pinged from the guest) |
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| 14:15.20 | mflow | KaaK: indeed, the moment when you realize Java exists for a reason |
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| 14:20.25 | cuihao | ChrisH, I think there is no problem with route or netmask. The bridge interface br0 I added caused the problem. If I turn down the br0 and restart eth0, it works fine... |
| 14:20.56 | mflow | I'll spin a Vagrant box with https://github.com/dotzero/vagrant-debian-wheezy-64 and compile the code there on the local machine and deploy it remotely |
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| 14:21.45 | cuihao | If I turn down br0. Restart eth0. Then ping the gateway. Then turn up br0. The network will keep working for some time. |
| 14:21.47 | aVirulence | Hi all. I encountered a problem installing libjpeg8 on Wheezy. At least one person has had the same problem as me (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=116227), but that was in July of last year. There seems to be an incompatibility between the 32 bit version and the 64 bit version |
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| 14:22.10 | cuihao | But after random time, it breaks again. |
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| 14:23.13 | centrx | aVirulence, Are you running: apt-get update && apt-get install libjpeg8:amd64 libjpeg8:i386 |
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| 14:24.45 | aVirulence | centrx: no, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libjpeg8 |
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| 14:25.30 | DevAntoine | I'm configuring my new server and I'm wondering if I should set up iptables or not? |
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| 14:26.20 | Kingsy | I am looking at this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently#Mount_password_protected_shares_using_libpam_mount_.28Ubuntu_9.04.29 <-- I have a network drive that I have mounted that contains password protected directories.. What if the username and password for the directories in the share where NOT the same as my OS username and password? |
| 14:26.23 | centrx | aVirulence, Try the other one. Both archs need to be at the same version, apt-get install libjpeg8 might only gets your main arch |
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| 14:26.46 | centrx | DevAntoine, Is it a public server? Is there another firewall in front of it already? |
| 14:27.02 | DevAntoine | centrx: yes, no |
| 14:27.37 | centrx | DevAntoine, Firewalls are good for security. Sometimes it's easier and possibly more secure to set up your router to perform that function |
| 14:27.50 | centrx | DevAntoine, deny all except specific ports you want to be accessible from the outside |
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| 14:28.42 | DevAntoine | ok |
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| 14:29.04 | DevAntoine | concerning the ftp I should use active mode regarding security right? |
| 14:29.26 | Kingsy | If someone could point me to the debian wiki that explains this.. that would be great :D |
| 14:29.39 | centrx | DevAntoine, You should use sftp, not ftp. Plain FTP does not encrypt anything over the wire |
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| 14:30.42 | aVirulence | centrx: it seems that there is something wrong with the i386 package: E: Unable to locate package libjpeg8 |
| 14:31.11 | centrx | Kingsy, Yeah I don't know, may want to look for Samba- or PAM-specific docs/channels |
| 14:32.21 | Kingsy | it did mount I just cant read any passworded folders |
| 14:32.21 | Kingsy | ok |
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| 14:32.45 | centrx | aVirulence, See if dpkg --print-architecture and dpkg --print-foreign-architectures show both amd64 and i386 |
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| 14:33.04 | centrx | aVirulence, Conceivably your multiarch was disabled at some point but the packages are still installed maybe? |
| 14:33.23 | centrx | aVirulence, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 14:34.07 | aVirulence_ | centrx: I think you're right, there's no i386 in there |
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| 14:34.32 | DevAntoine | kingsley: isn't it hard to cfg? What vsftpd gives me is exactly what I want |
| 14:34.39 | centrx | aVirulence_, If you don't need multiarch/i386, you can just uninstall the libjpeg8:i386 package and any others that cause problems. Otherwise, re-enable multiarch with i386 |
| 14:35.49 | aVirulence_ | centrx: how would I do that? apt-get remove libjpeg8:i386 gives me a E: Unable to locate package libjpeg8 as well |
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| 14:45.23 | centrx | aVirulence_, what does dpkg -l libjpeg8 say |
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| 16:12.51 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: debconf has several man pages, look at "man 7 debconf-devel" and I think it might be covered in maint-guide |
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| 16:20.23 | jelly | dpkg, tell NoImNotNineVolt about debconf |
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| 16:22.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell NoImNotNineVolt about mentors |
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| 16:23.45 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: "how do I use" is a bit different a question for "how does it work". I assumed you wanted the former. |
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| 16:27.11 | DelphiWorld | yo debianicks |
| 16:27.22 | DelphiWorld | in my xinitrc |
| 16:27.25 | DelphiWorld | xset s off |
| 16:27.26 | DelphiWorld | xset -dpms |
| 16:27.26 | DelphiWorld | xset s noblank |
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| 16:27.35 | DelphiWorld | but my screen is still sleeping |
| 16:27.51 | DelphiWorld | i want even if someone is not logged the screen should sleep |
| 16:27.53 | DelphiWorld | should not* |
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| 16:33.53 | snoopybbt | guys, guys |
| 16:34.02 | centrx | Hi |
| 16:34.06 | snoopybbt | hi centrx |
| 16:34.14 | snoopybbt | i modified the source of a debian package |
| 16:34.28 | snoopybbt | and now i would like to get a diff from the original sources |
| 16:34.29 | centrx | DelphiWorld, Could it your machine itself, like a BIOS setting? |
| 16:34.39 | snoopybbt | so that a friend of mine can build it on his gentoo system |
| 16:34.45 | snoopybbt | how do i do this... ? |
| 16:34.49 | jelly | DelphiWorld: hm. You might put relevant ServerFlags (man Xorg.conf) into a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and HOPE your display manager doesn't override them, maybe |
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| 16:34.56 | centrx | snoopybbt, Get the source of the original with apt-get source (in another directory) |
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| 16:35.08 | snoopybbt | centrx, oh, okay |
| 16:35.21 | centrx | snoopybbt, then use diff -ur with maybe some other options |
| 16:35.38 | DelphiWorld | centrx suggested me nodm, but never worked for me. jelly, i use xdm |
| 16:35.38 | jelly | DelphiWorld: there's references to Option "BlankTime", Option "StandbyTime", etc in the manual |
| 16:35.42 | snoopybbt | centrx, is it the --location option of apt-src ? |
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| 16:36.11 | evangeline__ | hi |
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| 16:36.19 | centrx | snoopybbt, apt-get source downloads to the current directory, so you can just change current directory or the name of the other one |
| 16:36.51 | jelly | DelphiWorld: I never used nodm, seems to be useful if you want to automatically login, and at that point you can stuff xset commands somewhere |
| 16:37.06 | evangeline__ | I've added the following to sites-enabled/defaultssl : http://dpaste.com/110RWX2 ... this is a wordpress website, but I keep getting "HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found" when trying to access /wp-admin/, which is there |
| 16:37.07 | evangeline__ | any ideas ? |
| 16:37.23 | DelphiWorld | jelly: yep, its a media box so autologin is usefull |
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| 16:46.23 | kalpu | In debian jessie, which package do I have to install to get /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 16:47.02 | AfterDark | I believe it's ifupdown |
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| 16:53.34 | jelly | kalpu: you have it by default! |
| 16:54.01 | jelly | kalpu: or does the file not exist at all on your system? |
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| 16:58.58 | kalpu | jelly: I doesn't exist at all, I multistrap a armhf here |
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| 17:04.09 | jelly | kalpu: ah, there's your problem. debootstrap misses a lot of stuff d-i does |
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| 17:26.55 | jair | hello all, for many years I have not really tried myself to understand how $PATH works on debian or in any Unix like system |
| 17:27.07 | gchristensen | ok |
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| 17:27.29 | jair | I am today trying to add a folder to my path and I think If I get it done this time I will really understand it |
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| 17:28.34 | jair | so here we go: the folder I want to add to my $PATH is located here: "/home/jair/Android/Sdk/platform-tools" |
| 17:29.26 | jair | inside the "platform-tools" there is a executable called "adb" I cannot run this executable from anywhere I am in the system |
| 17:29.40 | gchristensen | did you add the directory to your PATH? |
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| 17:31.10 | jair | here is my current $PATH => http://paste.debian.net/145702/ |
| 17:31.30 | jair | gchristensen: my friend that is what I am trying to understand how to do |
| 17:32.08 | jair | do I need to create a file called "bashrc"? |
| 17:32.54 | jair | basically: vim ~/.bashrc |
| 17:33.15 | jair | is it that the way to add folders to your $PATH? |
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| 17:48.55 | marioxcc | Hi. |
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| 17:49.07 | marioxcc | Why is TeXmacs not in the Debian 8 repository?. |
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| 17:53.29 | spal | how can I figure which /dev file represents my DVD-R? |
| 17:54.00 | Brigo | spal, try lsblk |
| 17:54.34 | marioxcc | Hi. Why is TeXmacs not in the Debian 8 repository?. |
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| 17:55.20 | Brigo | marioxcc, was it in wheezy? |
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| 17:55.24 | spal | Brigo, I see "sr0 11:0 1 1024M 0 rom" but my DVD-R has 4.7 GB space. I am confused why lsblk output shows only 1 GB of space. |
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| 17:55.43 | marioxcc | Brigo: Yes. |
| 17:56.02 | Brigo | spal, may be lsblk is wrong. |
| 17:56.14 | Brigo | marioxcc, with what name? |
| 17:56.40 | marioxcc | Brigo: "texmacs" |
| 17:56.48 | Brigo | spal, may be 1024M is not the capacity of the disk but the cache. |
| 17:56.53 | marioxcc | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=texmacs |
| 17:56.57 | Brigo | ,v texmacs |
| 17:56.58 | judd | Package: texmacs on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.0.7.4-3.1; wheezy: 1:1.0.7.15-2; sid: 1:1.0.7.18-1; experimental: 1:1.99.1-3 |
| 17:57.15 | spal | thanks Brigo |
| 17:57.25 | Brigo | spal, np |
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| 17:57.58 | marioxcc | Brigo: Why is it not in "jessie?" |
| 17:57.59 | kmmndr | hi all :-) |
| 17:58.05 | Brigo | marioxcc, check https://packages.qa.debian.org/t/texmacs.html |
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| 17:58.53 | marioxcc | Brigo: I don't know how to interpret what it says. What does it means?. |
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| 17:59.37 | Brigo | marioxcc: This package has been orphaned. This means that it does not have a real maintainer at the moment. Please consider adopting this package if you are interested in it. Please see bug number #773954 for more information. |
| 18:00.09 | marioxcc | Brigo: Ok. |
| 18:00.11 | marioxcc | Thanks. |
| 18:00.19 | Brigo | marioxcc, np :) |
| 18:00.52 | marioxcc | Brigo: Apparently it depends on a deprecated version of Guile, is that the case?. |
| 18:01.11 | Brigo | marioxcc, it looks like it, yes. |
| 18:01.45 | marioxcc | Brigo: Ok. |
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| 18:03.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay, so, i'm creating a systemd service script that needs to source some envvars from EnvironmentFile that are used in ExecStart... but i also want User=nobody, and the EnvironmentFile is owned by root and has perms 644. |
| 18:03.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | service fails to start and the systemctl status line suggests that the envvars aren't being replaced in the ExecStart. |
| 18:04.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | that is, i still see a bunch of ${STUFF}. |
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| 18:04.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't know if it's a permissions issue with the EnvironmentFile or something else entirely. |
| 18:04.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | where to begin troubleshooting? |
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| 18:05.42 | marioxcc | After having installed Debian 8 from the RC 1, how can I install another desktop environment as close as possible to what would have been installed if I selected it during the installation of the OS?. |
| 18:05.59 | marioxcc | (That is, with the default configuration and associated packages) |
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| 18:06.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay, so i chmod 777 and it's still happening :( |
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| 18:11.48 | spal | while burning an ISO to DVD with growisofs, is there a way I can see the progress of burning? |
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| 18:19.42 | frostschutz | spal, you mean growisofs does not print progress anymore? :-O |
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| 18:21.23 | spal | looks like growisofs is not writing to my DVD. I tried growisofs on a new blank DVD and I get this error now: :-( unable to INQUIRY: Input/output error |
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| 18:31.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay, so, 99% done packaging this up... |
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| 18:31.33 | Siente | Hello guys, how to install debian from usb ? |
| 18:31.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | quick question about dpkg -P |
| 18:31.45 | Siente | I mean should I make the usb bootable somehow or I could just put on the iso on the usb? |
| 18:31.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | how does dpkg know about config files? |
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| 18:32.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | dpkg -P isn't getting rid of my /etc/default/foo :( |
| 18:32.06 | dpkg | NoImNotNineVolt: i haven't a clue |
| 18:32.06 | rainfyre | Siente: you'll want to make it bootable, then just follow the installer directions |
| 18:32.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | perhaps it's because i create /etc/default/foo programmatically from my postinst script? |
| 18:32.45 | brentaarnold | I have a dual monitor setup (one being a TV.) Is it possible to have a movie on VLC on the screen and switch workspaces without losing the video on the second screen? |
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| 18:33.44 | brentaarnold | That was a really bad explanation, but what I mean is I want to switch workspaces without losing video on the second monitor. Possibly force only the one monitor to be affected by workspace switching? |
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| 18:35.49 | Siente | rainfyre, could I do it using the universal usb installer? |
| 18:36.07 | rainfyre | Siente: maybe someone else knows, I usually use unetbootin |
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| 18:46.59 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: which package does /etc/default/foo belong to? |
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| 18:49.04 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: if "dpkg -S /etc/default/foo" doesn't say it belongs to a package, it effectively doesn't. If you generate it on your own in postinst instead of package it up and ship it, you have to do your own cleanup at purge time (postrm, called with purge parameter). |
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| 18:49.57 | DammitJim | do you guys know where one can review spam email for spamassasin? |
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| 18:50.46 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: read the policy, at the very least read https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-mscriptsinstact |
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| 18:58.07 | DammitJim | do you guys know where to read those messages? |
| 18:58.18 | DammitJim | for spamassasin? like when a file was too large? |
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| 19:00.39 | jelly | DammitJim: no idea, but the first thing I'd look at would be MTA logs for the exact errors, MTA config to look at where spamassassin is integrated in the mail flow, and spamassassin config next |
| 19:00.54 | jelly | so which MTA do you use? |
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| 19:02.05 | DammitJim | exim4 |
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| 19:23.03 | jelly | DammitJim: I don't know much about exim, but logs are inside /var/log/exim4/ (mainlog and panic and some other stuff maybe) |
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| 19:23.26 | daz646 | oin #archlinux |
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| 19:23.45 | DammitJim | jelly, you got it |
| 19:23.57 | DammitJim | now I need to figure out where one sets the message size limit |
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| 19:24.26 | jelly | probably somewhere under /etc/exim4/conf.d/ |
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| 19:24.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: apparently including an empty defaults file is enough to inform dpkg of its existence. |
| 19:24.57 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: yeah, but don't change packaged files in postinst, that's against the policy |
| 19:24.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | that way postinst can still populate the file contents and i don't need a postrm to clean it up. |
| 19:25.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | aha. |
| 19:25.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | so you're saying postrm is the more correct way of doing it? |
| 19:25.19 | jelly | yes |
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| 19:25.41 | jelly | either that, or ship some sort of default in the package and declare it a conffile |
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| 19:27.33 | jelly | (or learn about ucf, which is even more complicated) |
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| 19:29.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | there are no sane defaults, that's why i'm going the debconf route. |
| 19:30.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | created postrm script, deleted default file, building new package to make sure it cleans up nice. |
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| 19:33.53 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: always purge packages if you're testing and retesting with same version .deb. Otherwise dpkg reuses old install scripts because "version did not change" |
| 19:34.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | yup, that much i figured out on my own :P |
| 19:34.33 | jelly | it's only fun the first time! |
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| 19:34.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's when i noticed "hey, my defaults file isn't getting purged!" |
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| 19:36.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay, so postrm cleans up that default file now, awesome. thanks :) |
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| 19:36.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | but you mentioned something about declaring a conffile... |
| 19:36.49 | jelly | basically, purge is supposed to clean up everything your package made |
| 19:36.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | and indeed, that would be nice, since dpkg --status won't list the default file with this new approach. |
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| 19:37.40 | jelly | so... purging mysql-server cleans up the database in /var/lib/mysql :-) |
| 19:38.02 | jelly | (it actually asks whether to really do that first) |
| 19:38.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, reading 10.7.3 in policy :( |
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| 19:39.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | "These two styles of configuration file handling must not be mixed, for that way lies madness" |
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| 19:40.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | <3 |
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| 19:41.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm quoting that in my commit message :P |
| 19:41.28 | ninjazach | :) |
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| 19:42.01 | matu | Hi |
| 19:42.03 | matu | Depending on the nature of I/O load, random read performance of a RAID 1 array may equal up to the sum of each member's performance,[a] while the write performance remains at the level of a single disk.[b][6][7] |
| 19:42.13 | matu | is raid 1 faster in reading than only one disk ? |
| 19:42.18 | matu | please tell me |
| 19:42.31 | mjt | ItDepends(tm) |
| 19:42.53 | matu | can it be faster ? |
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| 19:43.05 | mjt | you quoted the relevant part |
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| 19:43.10 | mjt | it tells you most |
| 19:43.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | yes, it can be much faster. |
| 19:43.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | it can be as fast as the SUM of all the disks' read speed. |
| 19:43.24 | mjt | where much <= 2xSingle Drive |
| 19:43.33 | mjt | yeah |
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| 19:45.54 | mjt | when you check with dd it wont be faster :) |
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| 19:47.46 | jelly | matu: current implementation of md raid1 is faster when you have more than 1 thread doing reads |
| 19:48.17 | mjt | heh |
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| 19:48.41 | jelly | matu: basically, each spindle can handle one read request at the same time |
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| 19:49.33 | jelly | unlike other implementations, md does NOT stripe a single large read request over multiple member devices |
| 19:49.50 | jelly | (most hw raid controllers do this) |
| 19:50.40 | matu | thank you |
| 19:50.58 | jelly | matu: if you want more details, there are some smart people in #linux-raid channel |
| 19:51.26 | mjt | I yet to see a hw raid controller which does such striping |
| 19:51.36 | jelly | eh? |
| 19:51.50 | matu | i share your opinion |
| 19:51.56 | mjt | and generally, a hw raid controller which is at least of speed of 1/5 of md raid :) |
| 19:51.58 | matu | thank you for answering me |
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| 19:52.14 | matu | oh jelly |
| 19:52.22 | jelly | mjt: lsi crap in ibm x series, and smartarrays in hp proliants do it, and those are not exactly advanced controllers |
| 19:52.36 | matu | thanks a lot ! |
| 19:52.44 | mjt | which ones aren't crap? |
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| 19:53.19 | mjt | 09:00.0 RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID SAS 2108 [Liberator] (rev 05) |
| 19:53.22 | jelly | dunno, I've only dealt with low to midrange storage |
| 19:53.28 | mjt | this one is TERRIBLE slow |
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| 19:54.50 | mjt | (this is x3850 system - not an entry level :) |
| 19:55.05 | parallel21 | hello |
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| 19:55.28 | jelly | !win parallel21 |
| 19:55.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, parallel21! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
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| 19:56.01 | parallel21 | shuweet |
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| 19:56.15 | matu | i joined the channel jelly |
| 19:56.30 | matu | but i did not get an answer, i am still waiting for it |
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| 19:56.40 | jelly | parallel21: glad that worked, now you can actually ask what you really wanted in the first place |
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| 19:57.12 | jelly | matu: it's a small channel, it can take hours-days for an answer |
| 19:57.22 | matu | ok |
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| 19:57.50 | matu | i hope your right if multi threading is used |
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| 20:00.58 | xingu | mjt: what was your comparison, just out of interest? |
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| 20:01.22 | mjt | xingu: sorry? what do you mean? |
| 20:01.43 | xingu | mjt: lsi2108 being slower than md |
| 20:01.51 | mjt | yeah? |
| 20:01.57 | xingu | mjt: how did you compare them? |
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| 20:02.19 | DammitJim | how can I figure out if exim is rejecting a large email vs spamassassin? |
| 20:02.20 | mjt | using the same set of hdds, the same raid config |
| 20:02.24 | DammitJim | the logs don't seem to tell me much |
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| 20:03.50 | xingu | mjt: battery fitted to the 2108? |
| 20:03.57 | mjt | xingu: yes |
| 20:04.10 | xingu | mjt: writeback or write through? |
| 20:04.10 | mjt | xingu: but battery doesn't help it |
| 20:04.27 | mjt | I tried both |
| 20:04.30 | mjt | both suck badl |
| 20:04.32 | mjt | badly |
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| 20:05.18 | mjt | we've a relatively large oracle databased on these systems. basically, oracle start to fly when switching from hw raid to md |
| 20:05.29 | xingu | mjt: sounds like something's broken; I've had great luck with the 2[01]08's; lack of BBU will make them flip from writeback to writethrough which will cripple performance - if you saw no performance difference between each of WB/WT +BBU and -BBU then... your test bench was broken somehow. :) |
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| 20:06.07 | mjt | xingu: performance is very diff. for battery vs no-battery in raid5 config. On raid10 it makes no difference |
| 20:06.10 | xingu | mjt: having said that I happen to agree, just differently; I prefer to use them as JBOD underneath zfs :) |
| 20:06.26 | mjt | yes, that's what I do - I switch them to jbod |
| 20:06.40 | mjt | unfortunately, not all of them can be switched to jbod |
| 20:06.50 | mjt | so some systems continue to be very slow |
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| 20:07.10 | xingu | mjt: I wonder if md is doing something dangerous. |
| 20:07.27 | mjt | I know this code well enough. Nope, it doesn't |
| 20:08.55 | mjt | I tried a LOT of various hw raid controllers over the years -- since about 1996 or so. ALL of them suck really badly. |
| 20:09.06 | xingu | mjt: the one weak area I am aware of with the RoC design in general isn't lsi specific - it relates to how much of a liberty you can take when the io mix includes a lot of barriers |
| 20:09.36 | xingu | mjt: ie, if you have commands in flight across something that is essentially masking topology from the kernel, you might wind up starving the pipeline |
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| 20:09.48 | valdyn | DammitJim: spamassassin does not reject large mails at all |
| 20:09.57 | DammitJim | that's what I thought |
| 20:10.05 | DammitJim | I wonder where one sets a size limit on exim4 |
| 20:10.19 | valdyn | DammitJim: spamassassin just refuses to check large mails, so they pass through unchecked |
| 20:10.34 | valdyn | DammitJim: ( that "large" is still quite small ) |
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| 20:11.30 | valdyn | DammitJim: you can use /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.localmacros |
| 20:11.52 | valdyn | DammitJim: MESSAGE_SIZE_LIMIT = whatever_Bytes |
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| 20:12.17 | xingu | mjt: the other thing I've found from bitter experience is that implementations of raid6's second parity vary in quality/ speed. :) |
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| 20:12.50 | xingu | mjt: everyone seems to have more or less figured out the raid5 parity calc by now |
| 20:12.52 | mjt | xingu: usually we don't use raid-with-parity, maybe due to historical reasons |
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| 20:13.21 | mjt | xingu: it is good for reads but very bad for random small writes |
| 20:13.45 | valdyn | it should be very bad for anything concurrent |
| 20:13.46 | xingu | mjt: yep; write amplification by any other name still smells twice as coprophagous |
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| 20:13.53 | eurabilis | Can someone help me with getting sound to work in debian? I hear sound but its very staticy. I have exhausted my google fu, and tried countless fixes. |
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| 20:14.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | eurabilis: you will submit to the will of Lennart Poettering! |
| 20:14.47 | eurabilis | lol |
| 20:14.56 | eurabilis | its so frustrating! |
| 20:15.27 | valdyn | !tell eurabilis -about ask |
| 20:15.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | if it makes you feel any better, i had some problems getting dual monitors working with an ATI video card under debian. |
| 20:15.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | by "some problems" i mean enough to make me format and install ubuntu :( |
| 20:16.42 | xingu | mjt: be interesting to see what happens to your results as you move to flash |
| 20:17.27 | xingu | mjt: even host based raid10 must at some level be issuing twice the number of iops as controller based; if the io themselves complete in zero latency, surely this will start to feature :) |
| 20:18.11 | mjt | xingu: yeah, I've been told that hw raid makes a big diff with flash-based storage compared with dm |
| 20:18.14 | mjt | md |
| 20:18.27 | mjt | xingu: I mean for real this time, hw is faster there |
| 20:19.12 | xingu | mjt: it does sound like your workload has a lot of barrier-readback going on |
| 20:19.25 | mjt | actually there's no barriers at all ;) |
| 20:19.48 | mjt | just a lot of O_DIRECT random writes |
| 20:19.59 | xingu | mjt: write only, or write-read pairs? |
| 20:20.07 | mjt | with reads ofcourse |
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| 20:21.14 | xingu | mjt: what I'm thinking is that the hw approach turns this into a write-barrier-read triple for unavoidable coherency reasons; md is perhaps free to readback more loosely? |
| 20:21.35 | eurabilis | "I have a problem with sound; I'm running Debian version wheezy. on a soundblaster X-FI pcie. When I try to listen to music in either rythmbox or juk I get static in the background of the sound making it very irritating. Any sound, even the login sound I get static. I have tried many things including numerous pulseaudio tweaks which i have since reset back to stock, and a kernel from backports |
| 20:22.03 | eurabilis | thanks. |
| 20:22.23 | sergioad | Hello |
| 20:22.32 | mtn | eurabilis: try using a live disk from another distro and see how the sound is |
| 20:22.42 | sergioad | I have a little question |
| 20:23.14 | sergioad | why Debian has not Corebird California and GNOME weather? |
| 20:23.20 | sergioad | I am using Jessie |
| 20:23.21 | valdyn | eurabilis: run "pavucontrol" and change volumes, mute input devices - does that improve anything? |
| 20:23.25 | xingu | mjt: I wonder if you would get the same performance by making a md raid0 on top of the hw raid solution :) |
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| 20:23.48 | eurabilis | <valdyn> Not a thing i did that already. |
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| 20:24.16 | eurabilis | <mtn> the soundcard works fine in other distros i dual boot this machinr |
| 20:24.33 | sergioad | somebody know? I want them |
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| 20:24.53 | valdyn | eurabilis: have you tried the same in jessie? |
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| 20:25.00 | mtn | eurabilis: in that case it is most likely settings, since drivers are mostly the same between distros |
| 20:25.36 | mtn | eurabilis: thogh as valdyn is suggesting, newer drivers might make a difference |
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| 20:25.58 | eurabilis | <valdyn>i wanted to run jesse. I tried to install it and something broke teribly beyond my knowledge capacity and i had to reinstall. |
| 20:26.04 | valdyn | eurabilis: but before installing or upgrading to jessie you can try what you did in pavucontrol in "alsamixer", F6 changes soundcard |
| 20:26.33 | eurabilis | valdyn yes i only have default and soundblaster x-fi i tried both to no avail |
| 20:27.13 | eurabilis | i should note some reboots it just works with no static |
| 20:27.32 | eurabilis | right now its echoing and staticy |
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| 20:28.50 | eurabilis | i dont think jesse likes my raid it said something about starting job for sil_cbabefg.... etc and never boots |
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| 20:38.43 | mllie | Hello |
| 20:38.52 | mllie | I have a screen when running screen -ls |
| 20:38.58 | mllie | But how do I attach to it? |
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| 20:40.52 | Vroomfondel | mllie: screen -dr |
| 20:41.10 | Vroomfondel | mllie: or 'screen -x' if you want any currently-attached output terminals to stay attached |
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| 20:41.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | screen -r name_of_screen_to_reattach |
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| 20:42.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | you can name your screen sessions as well, to make it easier to reattach to the right one. |
| 20:42.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | C-a :sessionname |
| 20:42.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | err, |
| 20:42.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | C-a :sessionname [new_session_name_goes_here] |
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| 20:44.50 | sam___ | I'm trying to build a *-dev package from a backport tree, do I fetch it in the normal way? like `apt-get source libecap2-dev` ? |
| 20:45.23 | sam___ | when I do that I get the full source package of libecap2, not just the header files in the -dev package |
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| 20:47.09 | dondelelcaro | sam___: yes, that's what you get.. |
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| 20:47.40 | dondelelcaro | sam___: the source package builds both the -dev and all of the other binary packages |
| 20:48.32 | sam___ | how do I build a `libecap2-dev` .deb from the deb source? |
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| 20:48.44 | dondelelcaro | sam___: fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; or similar. |
| 20:49.06 | dondelelcaro | sam___: or you can use dpkg-buildpackage, or apt-get source -b; or sbuild, or whatever works. |
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| 20:54.49 | Busserl | I guess installing irqbalance helped with udev events acting immediately instead of sometimes seconds. The newest linux-image recommends it, very nice it seems. |
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| 21:01.29 | sam___ | I am looking at these various package build tools, but I do not see a way to build a `*-dev` file from source. dpkg-buildpackage only seems to build the binary package. Do the other tools have options for building the `-dev.deb` packages? |
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| 21:02.23 | matu | haha i had to install visual studio for school, then i uninstalled it and it completely freezed the VM :D |
| 21:02.54 | matu | i only get the message "configuring your system. This might take a while." :D but i can't even move the mouse on the screen :D |
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| 21:03.09 | sam___ | build times on this raspberry pi are really slow, so it's hard to experiment with each tool.. |
| 21:03.35 | matu | i mean the cursor, not the mouse obviously |
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| 21:09.25 | sam___ | I just tried again and confirmed that `dpkg-buildpackage` doesn't generate any *-dev deb package. |
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| 21:10.51 | sam___ | I'm looking for a way to take a debian source package and derive a *-dev (headers) deb package. |
| 21:11.52 | sam___ | It could be a nomenclature thing, I'm searching around, but maybe for the wrong thing. Is there a special name for the "-dev" package build? |
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| 21:13.27 | r00tk1d | cafuego: dude |
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| 21:19.20 | sam___ | whoops, nope, I'm totally wrong. `dpkg-buildpackage` _did_ generate the dev package...sorry |
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| 21:19.40 | sam___ | staring at the screen too long :) |
| 21:19.46 | sam___ | thanks for the help |
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| 21:23.26 | struggling-hard | dpkg: googleearth-package |
| 21:23.26 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, struggling-hard |
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| 21:31.47 | bld_ | Hi. I am having problems with a jessie installation since a safe-upgrade yesterday. Segmentation fault in some programs (ie http://pastebin.com/evLJLnkM). Installed packages (http://pastebin.com/WPEJNAPh). What can I do? |
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| 21:35.59 | SynrG | bld_: let's see your 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 21:36.38 | bld_ | thanks: http://pastebin.com/FLz5sRp1 |
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| 21:36.51 | tremon | bld_: as a general rule, it's better to use {dist,full}-upgrade on testing. |
| 21:36.58 | cafuego | r00tk1d: sweet |
| 21:37.00 | SynrG | bld_: also: |
| 21:37.03 | SynrG | !pastebin.com |
| 21:37.03 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:37.05 | SynrG | hate, hate, hate |
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| 21:37.15 | SynrG | it's asking me to do a stupid captcha. |
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| 21:38.34 | r00tk1d | cafuego: whats on my back? |
| 21:38.36 | bld_ | http://paste.debian.net/145829/ |
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| 21:38.52 | SynrG | !frankendebian |
| 21:38.52 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 21:38.59 | r00tk1d | cafuego: you helped me out yesterday compiling PHP. just came back to say thank you again, i was even able to compile different modules myself and now have a fully working fresh php with all my modules |
| 21:39.07 | cafuego | r00tk1d: nice :-) |
| 21:39.08 | SynrG | bld_: why are you mixing distros? you have lubuntu + debian |
| 21:39.16 | SynrG | bld_: that's totally effed. start over. |
| 21:39.35 | tremon | bld_: it's going to be very difficult to isolate a problem between steam, google, oracle, docker, ubuntu and more random ppa's |
| 21:39.36 | SynrG | there's no way to make it right, and nobody will support you. not us, and not ubuntu either. |
| 21:40.00 | bld_ | I used lubuntu for lxqt |
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| 21:40.54 | SynrG | don't do that. |
| 21:41.00 | polyphagia | what was the last version of debian to use linux 2.4? |
| 21:41.15 | bld_ | any recomendation to fix this installation? or should I clean install and keep my sources in control? |
| 21:41.37 | SynrG | bld_: ubuntu packages are for ubuntu. debian packages for debian ... and each release for each release. start mixing and crap happens. |
| 21:41.43 | SynrG | bld_: as you've learned the hard way |
| 21:41.50 | bld_ | :( |
| 21:41.54 | SynrG | reinstall |
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| 21:42.04 | bld_ | ok |
| 21:42.06 | bld_ | thanks |
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| 21:43.35 | tomivs | Hi all |
| 21:44.10 | tomivs | My wired connection is not working but wireless is working |
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| 21:46.03 | tomivs | No Wired Network. Wireless Works |
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| 21:53.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay, one last question about the debconf-using package i just created... |
| 21:53.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | my .config script just has three db_input lines... |
| 21:54.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | and my .postinst script just writes three lines to /etc/default/foo, each setting an envvar to whatever was entered when the .config script ran... |
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| 22:56.42 | d3lphi | hey all. I'd like to purchase a SSL certificate for my web and mailserver. I have no idea where to purchase. Is there any certain certificate seller you can propose which is not too expensive? Preferrable if the certificate is valid for 2 or 3 years, and not only for 1 year |
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| 22:59.10 | abrotman | d3lphi: IIRC, there's a free one that's a valid CA |
| 22:59.31 | abrotman | d3lphi: might get a better answer in #openssl (I think that still exists) |
| 22:59.33 | babilen | I'd discuss it in #debian-offtopic, but rapidssl comes to mind |
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| 22:59.37 | d3lphi | abrotman: sure, for example startssl, but they are valid for one year and not very nice |
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| 22:59.48 | abrotman | picky picky .. |
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| 23:19.46 | Tagor | I'm upgrading from squeeze to wheezy and it ask me on which drive it should install the GRUB boot loader (http://pastebin.com/tjwBwQpX) I have two drives with a software mirror raid. On which one should I install the GRUB boot loader? Or should it be installed on one of the raids? |
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| 23:20.18 | OSVG | Tagor: mdadm won |
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| 23:20.35 | OSVG | Tagor: mdadm won't kick in until after Grub, so technically they are not in a RAID from Grub's perspective. |
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| 23:21.07 | OSVG | However unless you have unpartitioned space that is not part of the software RAID on the drive, installing Grub onto just one of them will probably give you headaches. |
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| 23:21.34 | OSVG | Generally that's why people avoid installing the OS onto drives that are members of some form of software RAID. |
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| 23:22.10 | Tagor | OSVG: I see, I guess I need to install them on both sda/sdb then in case one of the drives crashes? |
| 23:23.14 | OSVG | Well, you may want to do some thorough reading about the best way to do it (be forewarned, a lot of the advice you will get is simply don't do it) but you' |
| 23:24.12 | OSVG | 'll probably end up having to experiment with it. Don't expect it to work right off the bat, or easily. |
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| 23:25.58 | Tagor | OSVG: why would it be wrong to install it to both sda/sdb? I guess bios boots on sda and if it fails will boot sdb (which would then need the boot loader too?) |
| 23:26.45 | OSVG | Because that's not how software raid works. |
| 23:27.41 | OSVG | Generally speaking, because the RAID doesn't exist until after boot time, you're going to have a real problem booting to a RAID drive. |
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| 23:28.20 | dondelelcaro | OSVG: it's actually not that big of a deal nowadays |
| 23:28.32 | dondelelcaro | OSVG: grub supports all raid levels, and even supports lvm |
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| 23:30.18 | Tagor | OSVG: what if sda is dead? Bios would boot sdb in that case, but it doesn't have a boot loader so I guess it won't boot? |
| 23:30.43 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: you install grub to both sda, sdb, and whatever else. |
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| 23:31.20 | OSVG | Listen to dondelelcaro. My experience, even recently, is not the same. |
| 23:31.50 | Tagor | OSVG: what's your experience? how would I boot from sdb when it doesn't have a boot loader? |
| 23:32.33 | Tagor | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:32.33 | Mousey | grub works great as long as there' enough free room at the start of the disk to write all the things |
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| 23:33.05 | dondelelcaro | yeah; assuming you're using modern drives, and you've properly aligned the partitions, there's almost always enough space |
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| 23:33.21 | dondelelcaro | of course, you'll want something like this: |
| 23:33.28 | dondelelcaro | 1 17.4kB 1049kB 1031kB grub bios_grub |
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| 23:34.29 | donpi | Hello everyone! |
| 23:35.47 | polyphagia | hi donpi |
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| 23:36.48 | donpi | Using my laptop, I've just notice sometimes when I download more then 700K/s, the wireless stop working.. And I'm forced to restart the system - I've tried to switch off and switch on the card by the hardware switcher, but nothing change. Any suggestion on how can I have more info abt the problem? |
| 23:36.54 | donpi | Thx in advance :D |
| 23:36.58 | Tagor | dondelelcaro: i installed it on sda/sdb now and it says 'Installation finished. No error reported.' on both drives, so lets hope it will boot :P |
| 23:37.07 | donpi | (Hi polyphagia! :D) |
| 23:38.10 | polyphagia | donpi: sounds like power management issue |
| 23:38.55 | polyphagia | sudo iwconfig <interface (usually wlan0> power off |
| 23:38.57 | polyphagia | maybe |
| 23:38.59 | donpi | Even if I'm using the laptop with power cable plugged in? |
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| 23:39.33 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 23:39.42 | donpi | ok polyphagia, so i should switch it on and off via terminal |
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| 23:39.53 | SynrG | unplugged isn't the only time power management matters. reducing power when it's not needed is generally good for the earth |
| 23:40.07 | polyphagia | no donpi that'll just turn power management off |
| 23:40.11 | polyphagia | you shouldn't have to turn it back on |
| 23:40.27 | polyphagia | but you can see if it helps for now |
| 23:40.40 | donpi | ahhh ok! |
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| 23:51.05 | justicefries | how can I find the kernel version of the current jessie RC? |
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| 23:52.49 | justicefries | or, what is it? |
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| 23:54.07 | rjsalts | justicefries: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:54.28 | justicefries | rjsalts that's the page I was looking for! thanks. |
| 23:54.57 | rjsalts | justicefries: packages.debian.org is your friend |
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