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| 00:53.38 | Sven__ | I've got a problem with acls. I don't understand why this http://pastebin.com/Rx3YPs8z does not work. |
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| 01:07.36 | zack__ | devil, my mic wont work. How can i make it work? like via terminal? |
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| 01:09.00 | zack__ | how can i make my mic work |
| 01:10.13 | mookins | zack__: sudo /sbin/make_my_mic_work |
| 01:10.27 | zack__ | really? |
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| 01:11.06 | Sven__ | and after that you have to ready and refresh your machine with rm -rf / |
| 01:11.06 | zack__ | lol |
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| 01:12.53 | mookins | zack__: Your question was extremely vague. I have no idea even if you were to give more information since I am new to Debian and I also rarely use Linux for anything but my farm of servers (and embedded devices, and network appliances and anything else when I don't NEED Windows). Anyway off topic. Form better questions, what is working, what have you tried thus far etc |
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| 01:14.10 | mookins | zack__: Do you have sound at all? Are you running a GUI system or only terminal? |
| 01:14.18 | zack__ | I have tried using the sound settings but my hardware wont appear Its like it is not installed. But it is because i was using skype |
| 01:14.30 | zack__ | brb |
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| 01:17.40 | defensivetackle | hi, i recently installed debian on my laptop and for somereason now when i right click on the touchpad it takes it as a left click |
| 01:17.46 | defensivetackle | any idea how to fix thisà |
| 01:18.56 | mookins | defensivetackle: use a mirror |
| 01:19.16 | mookins | defensivetackle: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1760 |
| 01:19.46 | mookins | defensivetackle: or google how to remap mouse buttons |
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| 01:24.33 | fureddo | I know it's not Debian-specific but surely someone from here can help me on this... How could I measure the highest amount of dansguardian process count that run in a day? I'm sure there must be a simple command to do this, no? |
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| 01:25.10 | fureddo | Something like ps ax | grep dans | wc -l but that would work all day long...? |
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| 01:30.58 | cheapie | Here are the modprobes in question: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10180997/ |
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| 01:41.17 | cheapie | My question has been answered in #debian on OFTC. |
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| 01:42.05 | zRecursive | cheapie: how to join OFTC and freenode at the same time ? |
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| 01:42.59 | cheapie | zRecursive: I'm using HexChat, which lets me simply select networks in the list and press "connect" to connect, regardless of whether I'm already connected. |
| 01:43.17 | cheapie | (I'm also behind ZNC, but that doesn't matter) |
| 01:43.30 | zRecursive | great! i am using ERC on emacs |
| 01:44.15 | cheapie | I saw that. |
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| 02:25.15 | srg | Hi guys |
| 02:25.34 | srg | I'm trying to update linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64, but I'm getting an error that says "not enough space on device". |
| 02:25.51 | srg | Can I force remove the current running kernel and then install this one, then reboot? |
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| 02:31.43 | defensivetackle | anyone any idea of how i can remap the size of my laptop touchpad? |
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| 02:37.50 | anonnumberanon | Hello I'd really like to be able to use a library but I don't want to update my distro to the one which has it (Jessie). What can I do? It's libsdl2 by the way. |
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| 02:38.36 | polyphagia | anonnumberanon: check if it's in backports |
| 02:38.49 | anonnumberanon | I was thinking back ports but I've never done it before, and I'm not sure if that is correct since back means maybe I'd be getting only the packages from the distro before mine? |
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| 02:39.07 | polyphagia | anonnumberanon: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/libsdl2-dev |
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| 02:39.13 | polyphagia | libsdl2 is on debian backports |
| 02:39.16 | polyphagia | for wheezy |
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| 02:40.04 | anonnumberanon | ah okay I will be trying to setup Debian backports then |
| 02:40.25 | polyphagia | yeah it's very simple |
| 02:40.42 | polyphagia | the recommended way for running new libraries/programs on older systems |
| 02:41.05 | polyphagia | well technically not older but yeah lol |
| 02:41.22 | polyphagia | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 02:48.46 | anonnumberanon | polyphagia, yes I was reading that, thanks for mentioning it though. so i just add the right sources in apt sources and that is it, correct? |
| 02:49.44 | polyphagia | then an $ apt-get update |
| 02:50.29 | anonnumberanon | yes |
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| 03:23.42 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 03:44.09 | zack__ | Hi so I have goggled this problem and.....ugh. So my mic wont work and I am lost. |
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| 03:44.34 | zack__ | I know thats vague but... I cant think of anything else |
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| 03:45.13 | fragtastic | usb |
| 03:45.25 | fragtastic | built in audio from the mic port |
| 03:45.33 | fragtastic | pulse audio/alsa |
| 03:45.41 | fragtastic | gib details plox |
| 03:46.23 | fragtastic | usb? plug and unplug it and put the dmesg log of it into a pastebin or something |
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| 03:47.23 | zack__ | I dont have one |
| 03:47.33 | fragtastic | have what? |
| 03:48.50 | zack__ | A usb |
| 03:48.56 | zack__ | of any kind |
| 03:48.59 | zack__ | wait |
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| 03:49.42 | zack__ | I have one |
| 03:50.03 | zack__ | What log is it under? |
| 03:50.23 | AfterDark | so your mic is just a regular jack? |
| 03:51.48 | zack__ | Im on a laptop. A ok dell. |
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| 03:52.07 | zack__ | So I have one biult in, just as a webcam |
| 03:52.10 | AfterDark | ohh |
| 03:52.16 | AfterDark | what model of laptop |
| 03:52.16 | zack__ | built* |
| 03:53.14 | zack__ | Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) AMD E-350 Processor × 2 32-bit 70.8 GB |
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| 03:54.20 | AfterDark | I mean the model of the laptop.It should be on the case somewhere |
| 03:54.26 | AfterDark | probably right above the keyboard (maybe) |
| 03:54.33 | AfterDark | Like Dell Inspiron 4000 or something |
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| 03:55.25 | zack__ | It is a Dell inspiron |
| 03:55.27 | xtalmath | how do I find out which build-flags were used during compilation of a package I get through a package manager? |
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| 04:30.20 | Zipf | hi, i new to linux. I'm running debian squeezy, and i have identd running. Is it possible change the default 113 ident port to some other port, like say listen on port 114 instead 113 ? |
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| 04:33.29 | srg | Zipf: You probably can, but why would you do that? |
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| 04:34.01 | srg | Usually IRC servers check ident. They check for it on port 113 because that's the standard identd port. regardless of what port you run it on, they check the same port. |
| 04:34.21 | srg | So if you run it on 114, the irc server wont detect it. |
| 04:35.15 | shay_shay | hi |
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| 04:49.53 | Zipf | srg got it, and thx. Yes i have to run mirc and irssi at the same network, so i was trying to see if change one of the clients port, mirc or irssi would help, but i understead what u said |
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| 04:50.17 | srg | Zipf: No problem, glad to help! |
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| 04:50.42 | srg | You should check out xchat if you are looking for a GUI irc client |
| 04:51.05 | srg | I last used it about a year ago and it was the best gui client I found. |
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| 05:30.28 | rjsalts | srg: hexchat is a fork of xchat that's still being actively developed |
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| 05:47.13 | mookins | Is the fact that this channel is so quiet a sign that Debian is so good? |
| 05:47.22 | mookins | I came from Gentoo; their channel is ablaze with activity |
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| 05:54.19 | mjt | heh. Gentoo people are busy discussing compiler options... ;) |
| 05:54.22 | mjt | sorry can't resist |
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| 06:13.33 | mookins | mjt: LOL I never used Gentoo for that reason to be honest, I used it to get configurability. But yeah, some people are always on about that. I don't understand the compiler options enough to warrant all the weird problems. |
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| 06:14.41 | mookins | I am pushing Debian right through our setup though because I want to future proof our setup so anyone with Linux experience can set it up. It's hard enough to find freelance Linux admins in AU let alone with Gentoo experience. |
| 06:15.09 | mookins | I still have a soft spot for Gentoo though, and Debian's adoption of systemd is a little worrying. Be interesting to see how that pans out. |
| 06:15.33 | mjt | systemd goes everywhere |
| 06:15.36 | mookins | I suspect systemd will be forked, stripped down to a useful core and then rebuilt in a Linux like manner. |
| 06:15.52 | mookins | by someone, somewhere, at some point in time |
| 06:16.00 | mjt | it hasn't happened so far, so chances are quite low |
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| 06:16.53 | mookins | I think now that it seems inevitable we have to accept it, so we will see how it goes and iron out the bugs. |
| 06:17.32 | mjt | (the "so far" part -- this includes a very heated adoption of it in debian, when forking was one of options being discussed) |
| 06:17.43 | mookins | But to me it seems that the whole fast boot argument is pointless on servers. It takes my HP servers well over 1 minute on their own to do their boot up crap so what's another 10 seconds. |
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| 06:18.12 | mookins | and servers is where Linux dominates... |
| 06:18.52 | mjt | most our servers sits 10..15 minutes in bios when booting :) |
| 06:19.56 | mookins | haha, well luckily these servers, you can turn off all the option message rubbish so it gets to business quicker than not. However they have only been turned off once in 3 years running Gentoo, and that was so I could install Debian. |
| 06:20.35 | mookins | So even if it was 10-15 minutes, big deal. I only have 5 servers on premises however, so its not like its a huge setup. |
| 06:20.53 | mjt | that smells very wrong, because in last 3 years there was several critical updates to core components (kernel and glibc) which warrants reboot |
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| 06:22.50 | mookins | Yeah probably, but I didn't update; not good practice, but there was nothing going wrong on our end so it wasn't done. |
| 06:23.54 | mookins | Another thing with Gentoo, if you run low on time, you are reluctant to update anything because it takes so long. Hence another reason for Debian. If it was my full time job and I was using Gentoo, I would have a build server and test updates in a sandbox and push out binaries etc. |
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| 06:24.57 | mjt | waiting for something to go wrong is.. well.. "Until shit hits the fan" :) |
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| 06:25.38 | mookins | Yep, exactly. I did update for Heartbleed, only because I heard about it and thought I should check. |
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| 06:36.55 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:51.12 | darxmurf | re |
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| 06:55.08 | lrvick | Anyone know if it is reasonable to store selinux polciy files in /etc ? I would like to version control them with etckeeper |
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| 06:59.54 | zacwalls | So I cant install or remove anything. And dpkg says my filesystem is full. But I always get an error message on boot up that says root file system full. Im lost. And the main error message i get is E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 07:00.59 | Dewi | zacwalls: if the filesystem is full, you probably need to clear some space before much of anything will work |
| 07:01.12 | zacwalls | But it isnt |
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| 07:02.08 | zacwalls | here is apt-get install -f http://paste.debian.net/146069/ |
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| 07:03.51 | zacwalls | Dewi, Any tips? |
| 07:04.41 | themill | how do you know it's not full? |
| 07:05.05 | zacwalls | One moment |
| 07:06.07 | zacwalls | themill,http://imgur.com/Sl7IPxN |
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| 07:06.14 | zacwalls | http://imgur.com/Sl7IPxN |
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| 07:08.07 | Dewi | zacwalls: which fs is that? |
| 07:08.26 | teichopsia | Evening folks. I have a quick question regarding the jessie dvd download. There are three different dvd's - dvd1, dvd2 and dvd3, each with a different size. What's the difference? |
| 07:08.35 | Savemech | guys i have 400gb tar.gz, how could i see whats inside without unpacking? |
| 07:08.50 | Dewi | zacwalls: do you have multiple partitions? |
| 07:08.59 | zacwalls | Dewi, yes |
| 07:09.20 | zacwalls | Dewi, all separate |
| 07:09.25 | Dewi | teichopsia: iirc after the first it's just repos full of random packages |
| 07:09.39 | Dewi | in vaguely decreasing order of popularity |
| 07:09.47 | zacwalls | lol |
| 07:10.01 | zacwalls | Thats why I dont do beta testing |
| 07:10.34 | teichopsia | @Dewi - gathering from your answer, I only need to download the first one then, thanks! |
| 07:11.09 | Dewi | teichopsia: yeah, I usually don't download anything more than the businesscard one, few hundred MB |
| 07:11.23 | Dewi | and I have terrible australian internet |
| 07:11.54 | zacwalls | Dewi, Is it free over there? |
| 07:12.03 | Dewi | what, internet? |
| 07:12.18 | Dewi | no. |
| 07:12.51 | zacwalls | Dewi, That really sucks |
| 07:12.57 | teichopsia | Dewi: I tried downloading several different distros all night, they were going 10kb and failing after a while... including the netinstall |
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| 07:13.20 | Dewi | teichopsia: netinst was what I meant to say |
| 07:13.26 | teichopsia | seems to be working now. |
| 07:14.01 | teichopsia | probably :) I'm a decade old noob. Always dabbling, never learning. |
| 07:14.41 | teichopsia | Dewi: misread, sorry. late over here. |
| 07:14.41 | Dewi | zacwalls: I live 10 minutes from the centre of a city of 2M, and I have noisy 3Mbps copper that costs $100/mo for a few hundred GB |
| 07:14.59 | Dewi | a few years ago it was tens of GB... |
| 07:15.08 | zacwalls | jesus.... |
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| 07:15.20 | zacwalls | I pay 10$ for 100 gigs |
| 07:15.20 | teichopsia | fu.... |
| 07:15.26 | themill | welcome to brisvegas |
| 07:15.30 | Dewi | :) |
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| 07:16.55 | apg | Hi, Dewi your name somehow looks familiar for southeast asian. |
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| 07:17.37 | Dewi | apg: my name is welsh, but I have 14,000 indonesian followers who agree with you |
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| 07:17.46 | Dewi | (on twitter) |
| 07:18.02 | Dewi | themill: where do I know you from? |
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| 07:23.01 | apg | Dewi, well that is a lot :D |
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| 07:46.43 | teichopsia | :P |
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| 08:18.23 | cuqa | hey, i have a copy of a mirror but having problems installing packages from it. It works, but I receive warnings because of bad signatures |
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| 08:19.39 | guardian | hello, I just installed nginx. To my surprise there's no /var/www. I believe it's a policy thing and things have changed since I installed apache a long time ago |
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| 08:19.59 | guardian | so nowadays, after having installed nginx, what's a sound location for websites hosted by my jessie box? |
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| 08:21.06 | mookins | I put that stuff in /srv/www on my Gentoo boxes |
| 08:21.20 | mookins | Things that are filesystem like in their nature, to be served up as is, I put under /srv |
| 08:21.49 | mookins | Things that aren't meant to be consumed by others but are application data, e.g., PostgreSQL database files, I put in /var/lib/postgresql |
| 08:21.49 | guardian | yeah but Gentoo or Arch somehow guide you into putting stuff into /srv |
| 08:22.01 | mookins | It is part of the FHS. |
| 08:22.10 | guardian | I started reading https://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-var-www.html and beside saying packages should not put files in /var/www it doesn't really offer guidance to users |
| 08:22.33 | mookins | I quite like /srv, however I put everything in there, data related, which I want to change now. I have virtual machine stuff for instance. |
| 08:23.29 | guardian | go for /srv then, looks reasonable |
| 08:23.49 | cuqa | any idea how I can fix the following error: GPG Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 7A855ABDE0F8EFD4 bareos OBS Project <bareos@obs.bareos.org> |
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| 08:24.41 | mookins | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/srv.html |
| 08:25.23 | mookins | Key points are "being served". In my case, PostgreSQL data files aren't being served, nor are my VM's. |
| 08:26.49 | mookins | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/var.html |
| 08:27.06 | mookins | I find it strange that /var/www is gone but /var/named remains. I would have though /var/lib/named |
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| 08:38.19 | kWO901 | internet is down for the vmware machine (mint). debian host |
| 08:38.25 | kWO901 | what could it be? |
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| 08:47.03 | level7 | morning all |
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| 08:47.35 | level7 | I have a general question about squid but I do not see any squid channel... maybe somebody here can help me? |
| 08:48.06 | level7 | the scenario: two interfaces, ether_a and ether_b, traffic flows between the interfaces, I just want to "block" some sites. Suggestions ? |
| 08:48.34 | level7 | is squid the best tool for this scenario or you think I should use something eles (e.g. squidguard, pfsense, etc) |
| 08:50.19 | jelly | cuqa: after you confirm it's not your proxy or a partial download problem, contact the repo owner and tell them about the error |
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| 08:51.44 | cuqa | the problem does not happen when downloading from his repoy |
| 08:52.09 | cuqa | what do you think might cause this problem? |
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| 08:52.48 | jelly | cuqa: a network or download issue, or it's an actual breakage in their repo. |
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| 08:53.50 | jelly | cuqa: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*bareos* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*bareos*; apt-get update, see if it happens again |
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| 09:11.16 | level7 | Iridos: thank you |
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| 09:35.10 | Brain | hi. |
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| 09:35.54 | Brain | something has messed up in my apt in some way. when i installed mysql workbench some time ago, it forcibly overwrote some of my apt sources and when i next did apt-get upgrade it overwrote and replaced mysql-server-5.5 with their own mysql-community-server-5.7 from their own repository |
| 09:36.00 | Brain | i /think/ ive removed both instances of it now |
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| 09:36.13 | Brain | however, whenever i try to install or reinstall mysql-server-5.5, it doesnt write /usr/sbin/mysqld |
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| 09:36.36 | Brain | how can i force it to reinstall the entire package correctly, not just parts of it? |
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| 09:37.26 | Brain | ive tried apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.5 && apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 |
| 09:37.35 | Brain | ive also tried --reinstall |
| 09:37.56 | Brain | none of them seem to properly install /usr/sbin/mysqld which presents me with this in the postinstall steps: |
| 09:38.09 | Brain | /etc/init.d/mysql: line 44: /usr/sbin/mysqld: No such file or directory |
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| 09:40.40 | Brain | hmm |
| 09:40.40 | Brain | odd |
| 09:40.43 | Brain | i finally solved it |
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| 09:40.58 | Brain | its part of mysql-server-core-5.5 which ISNT a dependency of mysql-server-5.5 for some very strange reason? |
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| 09:41.47 | thapin | you get core so you can use the libraries without the server |
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| 09:42.15 | Brain | but core contains /usr/sbin/mysqld? |
| 09:42.24 | Brain | shouldnt that be part of the server package? |
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| 09:43.09 | thapin | it's just a way of being able to use the the core services without the server |
| 09:43.36 | Brain | so why doesnt server depend on core |
| 09:43.42 | Brain | because server plain doesnt run without core |
| 09:43.50 | Brain | i spent most of yesterday trying to figure that out :p |
| 09:43.57 | jelly | Brain: mysql-server-5.5 Depends: on mysql-server-core-5.5 in Debian 7 |
| 09:44.04 | Brain | is 7 stable? |
| 09:44.12 | thapin | hmmm,... well. stumped. |
| 09:44.18 | Brain | i dont have that depend here, i wonder if oracle have screwed that up too |
| 09:44.21 | jelly | Brain: yes. Are you getting packages from someplace else? |
| 09:44.27 | thapin | i use 7 |
| 09:44.40 | Brain | i had previously installed oracle's mysql-workbench package from mysql.com |
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| 09:44.50 | Brain | i wasnt aware it had silently fucked up all my apt sources in the background |
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| 09:44.59 | jelly | Brain: pastebin your "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5" |
| 09:45.08 | Brain | it replaced the references to the mysql server package with its own, so next time i did apt-get upgrade, it replaced the server |
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| 09:45.49 | jelly | ask your vendor to hire competent package maintainers. Percona seems to do things sanely. |
| 09:45.55 | rdz | hi all. is there an easy way to get the default configuration for a certain packet without purging and reinstalling it? |
| 09:46.05 | Brain | http://pastebin.com/5updWCre |
| 09:46.08 | Brain | looks correct to me |
| 09:46.08 | jelly | rdz: /msg dpkg confnew |
| 09:46.19 | rdz | jelly, thanks a lot |
| 09:46.46 | jelly | Brain: and the other command? |
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| 09:47.25 | Brain | http://pastebin.com/csdtDVvW |
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| 09:48.15 | jelly | nothing that looks problematic right away |
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| 09:49.07 | jelly | unless "openvas" is involved with mysql somehow |
| 09:49.58 | jelly | Brain: dpkg -s mysql-server-5.5 | grep --color mysql-server-core-5.5 <-- you ought to see the dependency there |
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| 09:52.47 | Brain | yeah |
| 09:52.49 | Brain | youre right. |
| 09:53.08 | Brain | im assuming then that apt get install --reinstall mysql-server-5.5 wouldn't reinstall the deps too |
| 09:53.15 | Brain | otherwise it could end up reinstalling the whole system |
| 09:53.22 | jelly | next time try just doing "apt-get -f install" |
| 09:53.31 | Brain | what does the -f do? |
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| 09:53.43 | Brain | ah fix deps |
| 09:53.57 | Brain | thanks jelly |
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| 09:57.36 | priyanka_nag | Heya! |
| 09:57.42 | priyanka_nag | We are building an IRC client called scrollback, where we are logging conversations and using NLP to turn messages into meaningful conversations which can serve like a micro-forum. |
| 09:57.48 | priyanka_nag | We are already logging a few freenode channels like node.js - scrollback.io/nodejs |
| 09:57.54 | priyanka_nag | Is it okay if we log this channel also? |
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| 10:11.56 | jelly | priyanka_nag: ask in #debian-ops, please, so the request doesn't get lost in the logs :-) |
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| 10:12.31 | jelly | priyanka_nag: is this client an open source project? |
| 10:12.57 | priyanka_nag | jelly: Yes..Absolutely |
| 10:13.14 | priyanka_nag | This is where we are - http://github.com/scrollback/scrollback |
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| 10:28.31 | linux-fox | hi, guys, i install the debian7.8 now, i come to the debian world. |
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| 10:31.18 | darxmurf | 13 Tb in use at the moment ... |
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| 10:37.39 | linux-fox | i have installed the debian7.8 for text console only, now, how can i change the resolution and fonts? |
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| 10:40.09 | fraff | darxmurf: apt-get install hardlink will help you until you clean the "strategie" |
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| 10:40.30 | Iridos | darxmurf, rsnapshot |
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| 10:45.40 | linux-fox | i have installed the debian7.8 for text console only, now, how can i change the resolution and fonts? |
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| 10:46.57 | Iridos | your question... it's still up there... |
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| 10:48.11 | Vroomfondel | linux-fox: install console-setup. Or if it is already installed, do: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 10:48.47 | Iridos | there used to be... |
| 10:48.51 | Iridos | dpkg, svgatextmode |
| 10:48.51 | dpkg | SVGATextMode is a program for enabling high resolution text modes, for systems with older hardware not adequately supported by Linux <framebuffer> drivers. It will not work (and should not be activated) on non-VGA based systems. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #548862. |
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| 10:56.19 | linux-fox | Vroomfondel: thank you |
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| 10:59.32 | dokma | If I install a manually compiled PHP extension that's gonna blow up on a PHP upgrade isn't it? |
| 11:00.03 | dokma | Is there a way to install a manually compiled PHP extension so that apt doesn't allow me to blow things up? |
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| 11:00.44 | centrx | dokma, If you are on stable, it should be okay because any security updates will have the same ABI/API |
| 11:00.55 | centrx | Debian stable |
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| 11:01.53 | centrx | That is, if your sources.list refers to 'wheezy' and you don't have wheezy-backports or other non-stable sources |
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| 11:02.53 | fraff | dokma: which extension ? |
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| 11:06.05 | SirLagz | grr. Why avahi no work dammit |
| 11:06.30 | SirLagz | if I have avahi running, then I should be able to 'ping host.local' and it should respond right ? |
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| 11:13.19 | SirLagz | hmm ping is working one way, but not the other |
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| 11:15.28 | dokma | centrx, fraff the extension is this one https://github.com/lstrojny/php-cld |
| 11:15.44 | dokma | centrx, so you're saying as long as we are on wheezy it will work just fine? |
| 11:16.21 | marbus90 | someone knows how to bind NFS to a specific server IP? |
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| 11:16.30 | centrx | dokma, Yes that is how it is supposed to work. |
| 11:16.54 | LeGallois | Hi, does this mornings dbus update need a reboot of the server to take effect? |
| 11:16.57 | metallic | hello, just a swift question, do you see this character? ? |
| 11:17.13 | centrx | dokma, It is possible a security issue could be directly involved with the code for the bindings, in which case you might need to or at least should recompile, but that seems very unlikely |
| 11:17.23 | dokma | centrx, do you know if it's possible to pack the extension so that when an upgrade does come we don't end up with a broken system? |
| 11:18.04 | centrx | dokma, Are your systems set to automatically upgrade or something? |
| 11:18.13 | centrx | metallic, I see many characters |
| 11:18.26 | metallic | I mean a non-latin one |
| 11:18.30 | metallic | non-Latin* |
| 11:18.33 | dokma | no, I just don't want to keep this in my head. I'd like to install so that apt warns me on upgrade |
| 11:18.33 | metallic | ??? |
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| 11:19.32 | dokma | perhaps if I put it in a .deb and make that .deb depend on the current version of PHP? |
| 11:19.32 | RichiH | wasn't there a way to tell apt "yes, i know dependencies for this package are broken, it's fine, ignore it" without needing to create a fake package? |
| 11:19.36 | centrx | LeGallois, Instead of rebooting the server, you can restart dbus, and any other programs using dbus under lsof (lsof | grep libdbus probably) |
| 11:20.10 | centrx | dokma, That's a good idea |
| 11:21.24 | LeGallois | centrx ty |
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| 11:23.35 | rgr | dokma:pin the version so it cant update. |
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| 11:36.44 | poopuser | Hi. I want to remap my 'windows' key but xev doesn't return keycode on this one. Any suggestions ? |
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| 11:40.38 | metallic | hello! I have an odd question |
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| 11:41.08 | metallic | Why did my Debian suddenly decide to stop using Unicode and go for ANSI? |
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| 11:41.52 | metallic | Moreover, when I try to set the system's language, the window manager crashes |
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| 11:42.58 | metallic | Any ideas on how to get my Debian system back to the blessed UTF-8? |
| 11:43.10 | linux-fox | now, i use font named 'terminus |
| 11:43.16 | linux-fox | as my console font |
| 11:43.50 | rgr | poopuser: interesting. I have remapped it but now cant find out how. Im sure I used xmodmap but its not in my setup anymore. I use the windows key as the xmonad meta. |
| 11:44.54 | rgr | metallic: you should be wondering moer about how the hell it isn't in utf-8. |
| 11:45.10 | metallic | rgr it was few days ago |
| 11:45.30 | metallic | Other users have just told me that some characters are not visible |
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| 11:45.43 | metallic | then I checked and surprise! ANSI mode is set |
| 11:45.44 | rgr | but look at sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and then export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 or something in your xinit or bashrc. not sure. there are a gazillion places not all are correct. |
| 11:45.53 | rgr | other users? |
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| 11:46.07 | rgr | you mean certain files are ansi? |
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| 11:46.16 | metallic | yes, in the Esperanto channel |
| 11:46.38 | metallic | no, I mean that my computer uses the ANSI standard to code letters |
| 11:46.42 | poopuser | rgr yea, strange, I am pretty sure it's super L, however there is no backup to this in xev output |
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| 11:50.20 | snadge | roundcube has been removed in jessie ? |
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| 11:52.21 | centrx | snadge, http://bugs.debian.org/775666 |
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| 11:54.03 | snadge | so things are frozen in jessie at the moment? im trying to understand why the solution wasnt just to update it |
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| 11:55.27 | snadge | roundcube is a pita.. the last time i installed it out of tree.. i forgot about it and got pwned by an automated script :/ |
| 11:56.27 | aborrero | snadge: the bug report suggest maintainers don't have time/resources to maintain the package for jessie |
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| 11:57.14 | snadge | the rationale seems legitimate to me .. im not arguing that they don't.. merely wondering what im personally going to do about it |
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| 11:57.38 | aborrero | snadge: perhaps you could give a helping hand or something? |
| 11:58.35 | snadge | i could do that.. but i would be more inclined to just update to the latest version.. which probably goes against the rules |
| 11:58.44 | aborrero | I'm sure maintainers will accept your help, in whatever form you choose |
| 11:58.45 | shellclear | hi, someone knows how to search a packet in snapshot debian repositories? |
| 11:58.58 | snadge | it sounds like the sticking point is backporting security fixes |
| 11:59.08 | snadge | i can totally understand why people lack the time and motivation to do that |
| 11:59.12 | metallic | Sorry people, but my Debian does not seem to want to change the language. It is set to "Unspecified [ANSI_X3.4-1968]" and whenever I try to switch to another language, nothing happens :( |
| 11:59.25 | rgr | metallic: Im not sure what you do mean. Maybe its the irc app? |
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| 11:59.35 | metallic | I did dpkg-reconfigure locale, no results |
| 11:59.46 | aborrero | shellclear: the search box at http://snapshot.debian.org/ doesn't help? |
| 11:59.47 | metallic | no rgr, it is the whole system |
| 12:00.32 | aborrero | snadge: a way to help is, for example, to identify security patches and submit then in the BTS for the maintainer to just apply them |
| 12:00.39 | metallic | it is using ANSI as protocol to treat characters, I do not know why. |
| 12:00.57 | darxmurf | Iridos: yep I know that :-) but I have to find a way to clean this mess before that :-) |
| 12:01.09 | darxmurf | (talking about rsnashot) |
| 12:01.09 | shellclear | aborrero: it's possible to find with apt-cache policy? |
| 12:02.11 | shellclear | aborrero: I would like to do this using apt-cache or apt-get |
| 12:02.23 | Iridos | snadge, yes, it's been frozen since november, so no new versions get in.... (at least not easily) |
| 12:02.37 | rgr | metallic: so its nothing to do with debian OS |
| 12:02.40 | aborrero | shellclear: I don't think so, since packages in snapshot.d.o aren't in the official archive. APT-like tools are for packages in the archive |
| 12:02.55 | metallic | rgr, why do you think so? |
| 12:03.25 | Iridos | darxmurf, I thought that's easy... make a new backup, then delete all the old stuff |
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| 12:03.45 | metallic | I am looking for the locale packages for the GNOME desktop, maybe reinstalling them... |
| 12:03.57 | shellclear | aborrero: I saw this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/340530/how-can-i-check-the-available-version-of-a-package-in-the-repositories |
| 12:04.04 | darxmurf | well... those are scientific datas and some ppl will probably keep it in case of :D |
| 12:04.23 | darxmurf | I will delete stuff older than 5 years I think and tar.gz the rest |
| 12:04.32 | darxmurf | then install a new strategy |
| 12:04.38 | Iridos | you're not losing stuff that wasn't deleted... |
| 12:04.46 | aborrero | shellclear: wait, please read the homepage of snapshot.d.o, you could configure an apt repo to access old packages via apt |
| 12:04.56 | darxmurf | yea I know :D |
| 12:05.08 | darxmurf | but you know the "in case of" strategy :) |
| 12:05.25 | Iridos | darxmurf, so tell people if they need that 5-year old file, they can save it in the next week... |
| 12:05.27 | rgr | metallic: create a file with a system editor and then inspect its encoding. |
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| 12:06.02 | ujjain | how do I get package info on a package? |
| 12:06.03 | darxmurf | yeah but half of scientist who created those files are gone now... anyway I'll clean that... |
| 12:06.10 | darxmurf | nobody knows what's in there :D |
| 12:06.15 | Iridos | darxmurf, they cannot complain if they're gone! |
| 12:06.16 | Iridos | :D |
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| 12:06.52 | Iridos | darxmurf, holiday pictures and pron |
| 12:06.52 | darxmurf | yep but thos are scientific research ... |
| 12:06.56 | darxmurf | nop :D |
| 12:07.02 | darxmurf | well... in fact I don't know :D |
| 12:07.05 | Iridos | betcha adoler |
| 12:07.05 | Iridos | right |
| 12:07.26 | shellclear | aborrero: I've configured this rep in sources.list but when I run $apt-cache policy package don't works |
| 12:07.49 | darxmurf | those folks are analysing chemical stuffs in spectrometers and those machines are returning shitloads of raw datas.. |
| 12:09.00 | Iridos | then get a new disk and keep the old one "in case" that seems to fit in with the "backup strategy" |
| 12:09.12 | darxmurf | mate... 13Tb of datas... |
| 12:09.18 | Iridos | darxmurf, that's not backup that you're describing, that's archiving |
| 12:09.20 | aborrero | shellclear: aptitude versions <pkg> should show all versions in configured repos |
| 12:09.37 | darxmurf | Iridos: the script is called baskup.sh :D |
| 12:09.41 | darxmurf | I assume it's a backup :D |
| 12:09.54 | Iridos | backups of deleted files aren't kept forever |
| 12:10.04 | Iridos | in *no* place |
| 12:10.08 | metallic | rgr, gedit tells me that my current locale is, in fact, ANSI [some shit |
| 12:10.17 | Iridos | you seem to have a mix of backups and archiving |
| 12:10.28 | darxmurf | nop... it's only a mess |
| 12:10.39 | metallic | rgr, gedit tells me that my current locale is, in fact, ANSI [some shit]. Though it lets me save the document with UTF-8 encoding |
| 12:10.41 | Iridos | you seem to have a mess of backups and archiving |
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| 12:11.08 | Iridos | "baskup and archiving", excuse me |
| 12:11.36 | Iridos | but the reasons you're giving why you cannot delete the stuff aren't backup reasons |
| 12:11.58 | darxmurf | no no I can delete old stuffs |
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| 12:12.12 | darxmurf | I just have to sort it to find what is what first |
| 12:12.15 | darxmurf | then compress that |
| 12:12.48 | darxmurf | and then ask the boss in the lab what they want to keep or not |
| 12:13.13 | Iridos | darxmurf, or you could just add --delete to the baskup script... nobody knows what's in there, right? :P |
| 12:13.22 | colo-work | does the postgresql-common infrastructure in Debian Jessie come with proper systemd support? (one service/cgroup created per `pg_createcluster`-created cluster?) |
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| 12:15.37 | Iridos | colo-work, you might have more luck in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:16.02 | darxmurf | raaah and all the oldest datas are from June 18 2012, fuck it they did not keep dates |
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| 12:17.21 | darxmurf | I hate ppl :o |
| 12:19.10 | colo-work | Iridos, thanks |
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| 12:22.08 | darxmurf | and everything is stored on a slow NetApp |
| 12:22.15 | darxmurf | king of perfect day :D |
| 12:22.24 | darxmurf | s/king/kind/ |
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| 12:23.15 | Iridos | it's nice to see you enjoying yourself |
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| 12:23.25 | Iridos | NetApps are slow? |
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| 12:23.39 | darxmurf | don't know but I hate systems where you can't do what you want |
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| 12:23.44 | darxmurf | there is this pseudo shell |
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| 12:24.16 | darxmurf | and this fancy interface to configure your stuffs under windows |
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| 12:24.29 | darxmurf | using a java tool |
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| 12:25.26 | shellclear | aborrero: I found the solution. I needed run 'apt-cache policy' like superuser |
| 12:25.48 | shellclear | $ sudo apt-cache policy pidgin |
| 12:25.48 | shellclear | [sudo] password for paulo: |
| 12:25.48 | shellclear | pidgin: |
| 12:25.48 | shellclear | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.48 | shellclear | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.33 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 12:27.11 | jelly | Iridos: if the storage is slow, you haven't thrown enough money in the vendor's direction! Add another zero. |
| 12:27.13 | aborrero | debhelper asks for next question :D |
| 12:27.36 | Iridos | jelly, or two \OO/ |
| 12:27.43 | darxmurf | and those NetApp storages are pretty expensives |
| 12:27.47 | darxmurf | BUT |
| 12:28.14 | darxmurf | if one there is any physical problem with one HDD, you will receive one the next day automatically |
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| 12:29.02 | makkan_lappy586 | wow this "/ignore #debian JOINS QUITS" really makes a world of difference in here |
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| 12:29.58 | darxmurf | and the SMB/CIFS protocol embedded in the system is crappy... it causes problems under linux and when I opened a case in the support the guy answered my something with a link to an Ubuntu forum Oo |
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| 12:30.21 | darxmurf | makkan_lappy586: thanks |
| 12:30.21 | darxmurf | :) |
| 12:30.23 | jelly | makkan_lappy586: unless you're op, you don't have real reason to look at all that crap in populated channels like this one |
| 12:30.48 | makkan_lappy586 | darxmurf: you're welcome |
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| 12:31.48 | makkan_lappy586 | jelly: that's for sure.. but it has never been so much of a problem until I joined this channel.. |
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| 12:32.42 | makkan_lappy586 | darxmurf: that command is for irssi other clients have different commands for the same filter |
| 12:33.00 | darxmurf | yep I'm on irssi |
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| 12:37.32 | metallic | hello, can you see this? -> ÄÅÅĤ |
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| 12:37.58 | Brigo | metallic, yes, i can see ÄÅÅĤ |
| 12:38.09 | mjt | heh |
| 12:38.32 | darxmurf | exciting |
| 12:38.34 | darxmurf | :D |
| 12:38.42 | metallic | is that a yes? |
| 12:39.02 | Iridos | no, the "yes, I can" really means "no" |
| 12:39.06 | darxmurf | euh yes ... and this is a fish -> ><((((°> |
| 12:39.45 | Brigo | darxmurf, right :) |
| 12:39.57 | metallic | lol |
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| 12:43.17 | KitB | Is there an easy way to find out which package creates a particular group? |
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| 12:43.47 | fraff | KitB: maybe rgrep -isl group /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 12:44.06 | KitB | tries it |
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| 12:45.09 | KitB | It's a start |
| 12:45.22 | KitB | Better question: Which package adds the group "netdev" |
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| 12:48.14 | jelly | KitB: grep netdev /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 12:48.35 | jelly | oh, you were already told that |
| 12:48.41 | KitB | Unfortunately that's rather a long list :P |
| 12:48.49 | jelly | KitB: is it? |
| 12:49.05 | Iridos | not for me |
| 12:49.06 | KitB | long enough that there's no obvious answer in it |
| 12:49.08 | jelly | KitB: I get a single file as result |
| 12:49.29 | Iridos | I get three... and any of them could have added it |
| 12:50.01 | jelly | ah, linux-headers-* messes stuff up |
| 12:50.04 | KitB | I get a bunch of linux-headers packages |
| 12:50.07 | KitB | yeah |
| 12:50.27 | jelly | grep 'adgroup .* netdev' /var/lib/dpkg/info/* I guess |
| 12:50.39 | jelly | addgroup is not speled that way ^ |
| 12:50.46 | KitB | I got the gist :P |
| 12:51.06 | Iridos | well, actually with: grep netdev /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst |
| 12:51.27 | KitB | I'm guessing ifupdown |
| 12:51.42 | KitB | avahi-daemon and wpasupplicant both seem to have it too |
| 12:51.53 | jelly | pick your poison |
| 12:52.14 | Iridos | alcohol! |
| 12:52.19 | jelly | ifupdown is not in the list in Debian 7 |
| 12:53.06 | KitB | and it's already installed on the machine that's missing the group :/ |
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| 12:54.58 | Iridos | you may perhaps ask the Real Question |
| 12:55.09 | KitB | :P |
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| 12:56.13 | KitB | I'm scripting the creation of an SD card image for the raspberry pi 2 using debootstrap |
| 12:56.15 | KitB | I'm adding a user |
| 12:56.22 | KitB | that I want to ultimately be in the netdev group |
| 12:56.34 | darxmurf | OMG, parallel compression is useless because of the so bad netapp performance |
| 12:56.36 | KitB | But I don't have that group yet, so I'm trying ti figure out what adds it |
| 12:56.50 | KitB | s/ti/to/g |
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| 13:00.45 | Iridos | just add it? |
| 13:00.50 | KitB | jeez, I think it might actually have been wpasupplicant that did it |
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| 13:00.53 | Iridos | that's what all other programs that need it do as well |
| 13:01.00 | KitB | that doesn't seem right |
| 13:01.04 | KitB | Fair point |
| 13:01.05 | Iridos | it does |
| 13:01.23 | Iridos | /var/lib/dpkg/info/avahi-daemon.postinst: # Add the netdev group unless it's already there |
| 13:01.25 | Iridos | /var/lib/dpkg/info/wpasupplicant.postinst:# Add the netdev group unless it's already there |
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| 13:05.07 | KitB | Cheers, got what I need |
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| 14:09.01 | edoardo | hello! |
| 14:09.06 | rock_theory | anyone know if/when virt-manager 1.1.0 will be in sid? |
| 14:09.20 | Guest60356 | how can i connect to a ssh server if i have a certificate? |
| 14:09.35 | rock_theory | Guest60356: just connect ssh user@server |
| 14:10.07 | littlebearz | Guest60356: do you mean using the PKI as in public/private key? |
| 14:10.10 | Guest60356 | i get kicked |
| 14:10.14 | wyre_ | somebody uses Mathematica's wolfram in Debian? :P |
| 14:10.21 | Guest60356 | littlebearz, yes, that's what i meant |
| 14:10.34 | Guest60356 | sorry if my question wasn't clear |
| 14:10.34 | wyre_ | wolfram's mathematica, excuse me :D |
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| 14:10.44 | littlebearz | Guest60356: first login to the server use password only, in .ssh/authorized_keys add public key |
| 14:11.11 | littlebearz | don't remember exactly the file name so don't quote me on that |
| 14:11.11 | Guest60356 | littlebearz, the server has no password |
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| 14:11.31 | Guest60356 | they gave me a ppk and a pem certificate |
| 14:11.33 | littlebearz | Guest60356: are you on windows? if so get pagent.exe and load the private key |
| 14:11.41 | Guest60356 | i'm on debian :) |
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| 14:13.49 | jelly | Guest60356: convert the private key and public certificate to openssh format. ssh-keygen command |
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| 14:17.00 | jelly | Guest60356: something like [ ! -e ~/.ssh/identity ] && ssh-keygen -i blah.ppk > ~/.ssh/identity; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/identity |
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| 14:17.14 | Guest60356 | jelly, thank you |
| 14:17.17 | Guest60356 | let me try it |
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| 14:18.11 | jelly | Guest60356: possibly "ssh-keygen -i -f blah.ppk" for that part, I never had to do it |
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| 14:21.01 | spm_draget | Apache 2.2 negotiates DH-paramter by a fixed size of 1024 (or 512 if your private key is small). Since 2.4.7 apache defaults to the same size as your private key, i.e. dh-parameter will be 4096bit if your key is 4096 bit. |
| 14:21.08 | spm_draget | https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=49559 is a patch for 2.2 |
| 14:21.16 | spm_draget | Did debian ever consider backporting it? |
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| 14:29.08 | tibl | Hi all, I've been looking for a distro that is easy to use, rock solid, but allows me to choose a few packages to be bleeding edge. Is this possible with debian? those few packages would be my clang/llvm, nodejs, and gpg in case that matters |
| 14:29.30 | Iridos | spm_draget, you could write a bug report on it... are you talking about the squeeze lts or wheezy |
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| 14:29.59 | spm_draget | Iridos: wheezy |
| 14:30.22 | jelly | tibl: debian seems a bad fit for anything "bleeding edge". You can work around that in various ways, but the distro won't go out of its way to help you |
| 14:30.22 | spm_draget | It allows a theoretically more secure key exchange⦠but is not a bug per-se. |
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| 14:31.44 | Iridos | spm_draget, you could make it wishlist? but jessie is frozen since november... so... next release is likely spring/summer this year... after that wheezy will only be supported for one more year |
| 14:33.02 | spm_draget | Do you know which apache version jessie comes with by chance? If it is >= 2.4.7⦠I'd live with it and upgrade to jessie when it is out |
| 14:33.09 | Iridos | judd, versions apache2 |
| 14:33.11 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; sid: 2.4.10-9; jessie: 2.4.10-9 |
| 14:33.22 | tibl | jelly: hmm okay, thanks for the info :) |
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| 14:34.00 | spm_draget | Okay, jessie should automtically generate dh-paramters appropiate to the keysize, which can be > 1024bit and also give more points on ssllabs test :P |
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| 14:34.50 | jelly | tibl: if you choose to take care of node.js and clang on your own, the underlying OS platform is pretty stable |
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| 14:35.07 | spm_draget | Thanks, and out |
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| 14:36.03 | tibl | jelly: that's a good point. I didn't consider building those few projects myself. I'll take that idea into more consideration |
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| 14:37.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: i spread the 'news' of policy 10.7.3 amongst our devs and our packaging will soon be more compliant :) |
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| 14:37.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | thanks again for the insights. |
| 14:38.14 | Iridos | tibl, I was also suggesting to build yourself in /usr/local or whatnot ... as long as dependencies allow that. Having them as packages that doesn't fit the rest is bound to make problems |
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| 14:43.46 | tibl | Iridos: will do |
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| 14:57.07 | jair | hello all this path at the end shows an error: http://paste.debian.net/146336/ |
| 14:57.34 | jair | I am trying to understand what is the directory not found on my system... |
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| 14:59.10 | Iridos | jair, some badly-written script tried to add to the PATH |
| 14:59.37 | Iridos | possibly the one that tried to add /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin:/home/jair/Sdk/platform-tools |
| 14:59.50 | Iridos | ops, the last bit of course |
| 15:00.36 | Iridos | well, my guess anyway |
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| 15:02.17 | spm_draget | apache2/conf.d allows for custom config snippets to be parsed by apache. |
| 15:03.02 | spm_draget | If I reconfigure the SSL cipher suits as supplied in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf⦠should I do it in this file or create a spererate file udner conf.d to overwrite those values? |
| 15:03.29 | jair | Iridos: I think I corrected the last part: http://paste.debian.net/146343/ |
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| 15:03.57 | jair | Iridos: I removed the "/home/jair/Sdk/platform-tools" part |
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| 15:04.35 | Iridos | jair, you cannot remove the directory not found bit? |
| 15:05.10 | Iridos | well, the... "No such file or directory" bit |
| 15:05.36 | Iridos | jair, oh |
| 15:05.48 | Iridos | jair, you're just typing $PATH as a command |
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| 15:06.08 | Iridos | of course, bash cannot find the file /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin: |
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| 15:06.26 | rgr | you shouldnt need java on the path explicitly. |
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| 15:06.56 | jair | Iridos: right I am trying to fix the path |
| 15:07.03 | Iridos | jair, $PATH is not a command, it is a variable. you can view it with echo $PATH |
| 15:07.27 | jair | and remove that "No such file or directory" part |
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| 15:08.16 | Iridos | that is not part of the variable, that is displayed by bash because you entered it as a command |
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| 15:09.02 | sokoli | is there any fast way to delete files from one file which are in other file? |
| 15:09.17 | sokoli | cat, grep and save? |
| 15:09.21 | Iridos | sokoli, wut? |
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| 15:09.42 | jair | Iridos: right but my $PATH file is: |
| 15:09.55 | sokoli | Iridos: I have file A and file B, both have some specific lines. I want to remove lines from A file that are in B file. |
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| 15:10.10 | Iridos | jair, $PATH is not a file either |
| 15:10.24 | jair | http://paste.debian.net/146344/ |
| 15:10.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | sokoli: if the lines are sorted, that problem becomes much easier. |
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| 15:10.44 | sokoli | NoImNotNineVolt: nope. |
| 15:11.05 | Iridos | sokoli, possibly fgrep -v -f b-file a-file |
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| 15:12.29 | Iridos | but I'm not sure how well -v plays together with -f FILE |
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| 15:15.18 | jair | Iridos: just a quick question, please be honest if you don't know, I will continue reading about $PATH see if it can make some sense |
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| 15:18.14 | rgr | if you dont know what $PATH is you must certainly should not be messing with it. |
| 15:18.26 | rgr | its the most basic thing that controls the operation of your OS. |
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| 15:19.13 | rgr | you seem to think its a script of executable from your comments above. thats really not good. |
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| 15:35.33 | enlightified | Is it possible to ask for help in this channel? |
| 15:36.00 | centrx | !ask |
| 15:36.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:38.20 | enlightified | I have a problem with bluetooth; I'm running Debian version" Linux amir 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux" . When I try to do "hcitools dev" I get the following output "devices: [EMPTY]. I expected it to do "list at least one device (the internal one in my laptop)". |
| 15:38.29 | enlightified | Thanks! |
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| 15:42.13 | enlightified | also "lsmod | grep -i ath" gives me : (edited so that only the first name for each line is visible) |
| 15:42.13 | enlightified | ath3k bluetooth ath9k ath9k_common ath9k_hw ath mac80211 cfg80211 usbcore |
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| 15:43.20 | enlightified | finally " lsusb | grep Athe" gives me: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0cf3:3004 Atheros Communications, Inc. |
| 15:43.24 | makkan | enlightified: have you read this https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 15:43.48 | enlightified | yes :) |
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| 15:44.41 | makkan | enlightified: then I'm afraid I can't help more.. you never know a persons level of knowledge when they aska a question |
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| 15:46.19 | enlightified | just to be sure, if "hcitools dev" doesn't show any device, then restarting the daemon is of no use right? |
| 15:46.40 | enlightified | np, ;) |
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| 15:49.10 | makkan | enlightified: I would ALWAYS consider restarting daemons of services that aren't working |
| 15:49.31 | makkan | maybe that's stupid but it's what I would do |
| 15:50.19 | enlightified | yeah, but if it's not needed, it would save so much debug time :) |
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| 15:51.21 | enlightified | I just did "dmesg | grep Blue" and I am getting: "[ 9.549643] Bluetooth: Error in firmware loading err = -110,len = 448, size = 4096" so now I have a lead :). |
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| 15:51.29 | enlightified | but any suggestion is welcome. |
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| 15:51.59 | makkan | enlightified: could it be that you need some sort of non-free firmware? |
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| 15:56.17 | enlightified | the ath3k is the nonfree firmware, i believe. I have installed firmware-atheros, but maybe I need to install another. |
| 15:56.40 | makkan | enlightified: yeah could be it's in another package |
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| 16:00.25 | darxmurf | see you tomorrow folks and thanks ! |
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| 16:02.46 | enlightified | going to try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/562914/how-to-fix-bluetooth-related-errors-on-boot |
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| 16:06.26 | enlightified | Again no cigar! |
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| 16:07.52 | makkan | enlightified: I would look up some sort of way to manually load the firmware or make sure it actually is where it's supposed to be. |
| 16:08.26 | makkan | enlightified: also perhaps google the error you got... unless of course you already have ;) |
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| 16:09.29 | enlightified | Yes, I just blacklisted the module and I had no errors in dmesg when the system booted. |
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| 16:10.12 | enlightified | when I tried loading the module (ath3k) dmesg gave the same error [ 68.485723] Bluetooth: Error in firmware loading err = -110,len = 448, size = 4096 |
| 16:10.34 | Olof_szary | hello, I have problem with my debian on dell. Usually I work with my lid closed & on the docking station. |
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| 16:10.59 | Olof_szary | After boot, sometimes the system does not see internet connection, mouse and keyboard |
| 16:11.19 | Olof_szary | i have to reattach the cables. Is there any workaround? |
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| 16:14.53 | makkan | enlightified: in the old days of badly supported wificards you had to extract the firmware from the MS windows drivers and put them in a specified dir for them to be loaded... maybe there is such a solution for your firmware too.. i.e. |
| 16:15.39 | RandomJamOfJar | anyone have an idea why screen brightness won't adjust using KDE plasma? |
| 16:15.47 | RandomJamOfJar | is a sager/clevo laptop |
| 16:15.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh i remember those days :) |
| 16:15.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | ndiswrapper? |
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| 16:16.58 | makkan | Olof_szary: this is a shot in the dark but could it be acpi related? In completely unrelated issue I read about kernel parameter such as acpi=vendor and acpi=linux in order to get proper acpi working |
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| 16:19.19 | AJ_Z0 | Vanilla 7.8 host. Add group. Add user with that primary group. Computer says no. |
| 16:19.19 | AJ_Z0 | # groupadd -g 1002 data |
| 16:19.19 | AJ_Z0 | # useradd ... -g data ... |
| 16:19.19 | AJ_Z0 | useradd: group 'data' does not exist |
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| 16:19.47 | Olof_szary | makkan: thanks, will try to investigate |
| 16:20.24 | AJ_Z0 | Vanilla 7.8 host. Add group. Add user with that primary group. Computer says no. # groupadd -g 1002 data ; useradd ... -g data ... |
| 16:20.34 | AJ_Z0 | useradd: group 'data' does not exist |
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| 16:23.19 | AJ_Z0 | What am I missing? |
| 16:23.19 | jelly | AJ_Z0: you didn't "Add group." ? |
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| 16:23.19 | jelly | check the exit status of groupadd command |
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| 16:23.19 | AJ_Z0 | jelly: Sorry, I don't understand your question, specifically what you mean by your quoted text |
| 16:23.22 | AJ_Z0 | The group was added just fine |
| 16:23.35 | jelly | AJ_Z0: "groupadd -g 1002 data" did not work as you expected. echo $? after that command |
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| 16:24.17 | jelly | AJ_Z0: verify with "getent group 1002" and "getent group data" |
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| 16:24.23 | AJ_Z0 | # groupadd -g 1002 data && echo yes |
| 16:24.23 | AJ_Z0 | yes |
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| 16:24.48 | AJ_Z0 | # getent group data |
| 16:24.48 | AJ_Z0 | data:x:1002: |
| 16:25.16 | jelly | alright then, it seems to have worked after all |
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| 16:25.34 | jelly | AJ_Z0: what's the actual useradd command you ran? |
| 16:25.36 | enlightified | makkan: thanks, there seems to be a new bios upgrade for my laptop. I think I'll install that first before anything else. |
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| 16:29.15 | makkan | enlightified: good luck! |
| 16:29.15 | AJ_Z0 | # useradd -c "CALMS User" -d /data -k /var/empty -M -p '$6$...' -R /data -s /bin/bash calmsuser |
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| 16:29.15 | AJ_Z0 | I wonder if there needs to be an /etc/group in /data |
| 16:29.15 | jelly | AJ_Z0: huh, there's no -g data in that command? |
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| 16:29.15 | Hypfer | so.. i'm using wheezy.. will something bad happen if I install glibc from jessie? |
| 16:29.15 | Hypfer | will it break my system? |
| 16:29.16 | makkan | RandomJamOfJar: yet another "I have no idea if this is correct" but I read something about screen brightness while investigating kernelmodesetting there are some bugs that can be cured with acpi=off and again acpi=linux did affect brightness... I'm not sure I even recall correctly but it might be worth looking into. |
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| 16:29.25 | mflow | How can I determine from which repository a package is installed? |
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| 16:29.36 | mflow | dpkg -s package doesn't tell me this |
| 16:29.36 | dpkg | Badgers ate my package doesn't tell me this! |
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| 16:30.11 | AJ_Z0 | Sorry, I pasted the wrong one |
| 16:30.45 | AJ_Z0 | # useradd -c "CALMS User" -d /data -g data -k /var/empty -M -p '$6$...' -R /data -s /bin/bash calmsuser |
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| 16:33.35 | AJ_Z0 | It's definitely related to the chroot and creating a suitable /data/etc/group doesn't help |
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| 16:34.28 | AJ_Z0 | Thank for your help. I'll let the application handle the chroot |
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| 16:36.10 | mflow | Can I use apt-show-versions to find packages installed from unstable/testing? |
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| 16:36.54 | Olof_szary | Running check-support-status |
| 16:37.08 | Olof_szary | says that kde4 is not supported, how serious is that? |
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| 16:40.28 | enlightified | It's nice to know that a some other people have this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1260825, It was driving me crazy because I thought I was doing something wrong. I'll guess that the bios update is the best thing to do right now :) good night and thank you again. |
| 16:40.35 | MaGrosseSaucisse | Hi, will Jessie include Terminus font by default? |
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| 17:27.28 | rock_theory | anyone know if/when virt-manager 1.1.0 will be in sid? |
| 17:28.06 | jelly | rock_theory: new versions of stuff will appear in sid after jessie is released |
| 17:28.18 | jelly | ,v virt-manager |
| 17:28.20 | judd | Package: virt-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-8; wheezy: 0.9.1-4; jessie: 1:1.0.1-3; sid: 1:1.0.1-4 |
| 17:28.31 | rock_theory | jelly: Oh, that's not for another 6 months or so? |
| 17:28.37 | jelly | rock_theory: it might be. |
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| 17:28.50 | rock_theory | So sad. Debian has been my favorite distro until now. |
| 17:28.56 | rock_theory | testing was great. |
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| 17:28.59 | jelly | !comfort rock_theory |
| 17:28.59 | dpkg | There, there, rock_theory. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:29.02 | jair | hello all, how can I remove/fix that output on my variable $PATH ---> bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin: No such file or directory |
| 17:29.03 | rock_theory | lol! |
| 17:29.27 | rock_theory | thanks for the info and comfort, jelly |
| 17:29.32 | rock_theory | :D |
| 17:29.33 | jelly | jair: which command did you run to get that output |
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| 17:29.47 | huleo | hi |
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| 17:29.54 | jair | if I run the command: env | grep PATH I get this: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin |
| 17:30.19 | jelly | jair: but which command resulted in the first output? |
| 17:30.28 | jair | jelly: hello, thank you for the help, I just typed as user "jair" $PATH |
| 17:30.43 | jelly | jair: echo $PATH <-- might do better |
| 17:30.46 | jair | and also if I do the same a root I also get the same result :( |
| 17:30.48 | huleo | I have old, first MacBook Air here, and want to install Debian using mini.iso, a.k.a. netboot image, the 20-25mb one |
| 17:30.53 | huleo | (as I'm used to) |
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| 17:31.18 | jelly | jair: you tried to execute the command "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin", which does not exist |
| 17:31.20 | huleo | now, the tricky part is: there are no disk drives and only 1 usb port |
| 17:31.36 | huleo | which I already need for ethernet adapter, to be able to download anything at all |
| 17:31.38 | jair | jelly: I see so the error is because I am typing the variable only $PATH I see |
| 17:32.20 | huleo | question is: is there any way I can install debian using netboot image without keeping usb stick containing it connected for the duration of installation? |
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| 17:32.27 | jair | jelly: I have been checking videos and reading about $PATH but I am looking for that good document that explains it better with examples so I can understand it |
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| 17:32.39 | huleo | as in: "load it all to RAM when booting, so later you don't have to mind it at all" |
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| 17:33.41 | huleo | hmm, or maybe |
| 17:33.47 | huleo | I will just try the debootstrap approach |
| 17:33.56 | jair | jelly: for example I am working with android studio in debian, and I wanted to add the directory: /home/jair/Android/Sdk/platform-tools to my path |
| 17:33.56 | huleo | (I already have Mint there) |
| 17:34.57 | jair | jelly: I created the file: .bashrc in my /home/jair directory |
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| 17:36.20 | jelly | jair: I'm not very good with bash. Read INVOCATION section in the manual, it might be helpful. Maybe you need to put the custom PATH in ~/.bash_profile instead. |
| 17:36.57 | jair | jelly: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin:/home/jair/Sdk/platform-tools/ |
| 17:37.34 | jair | now my path looks like this, the executable file is inside the "platform-tools" directory but bash is not finding it for some reason |
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| 17:38.48 | jelly | jair: what happens when you try to start it using the absolute path to the executable? |
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| 17:39.52 | jair | jelly: it works |
| 17:39.55 | jair | jair@W510 ~ $ Android/Sdk/platform-tools/adb version |
| 17:39.55 | jair | Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.32 |
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| 17:40.09 | jair | I think I am missing the directory "Android" |
| 17:40.14 | jair | let me change that |
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| 17:41.05 | jelly | jair: "Android/Sdk/platform-tools" is different from "Sdk/platform-tools" and you have /home/jair/Sdk/platform-tools in the PATH |
| 17:41.09 | jelly | right |
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| 17:42.26 | jair | jelly: correct the full path should be: "/home/jair/Android/Sdk/platform-tools" |
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| 17:42.53 | jair | jelly: solved, ;-) |
| 17:42.56 | jair | jair@W510 ~ $ adb version |
| 17:42.56 | jair | Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.32 |
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| 17:43.26 | jair | jelly: I still need to continue studying about $PATH it is an interesting topic |
| 17:44.06 | jair | jelly: thank you so much again |
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| 17:44.56 | jelly | judd: info android-tools-adb |
| 17:44.57 | judd | No package named 'android-tools-adb' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 17:45.02 | jelly | judd: v android-tools-adb |
| 17:45.03 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1 |
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| 17:45.27 | jelly | (that particular tool is packaged already) |
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| 17:55.05 | carlchen | i would like to do a fresh install of debian wheezy. i want to use a xfs partition for /, a swap partition and a second xfs partition for /home. my problem is now, i have a warning in gnome-disk-utility on a extended partition like this: the partition is misaligned by 1024 bytes. this may result in very poor performance |
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| 17:59.08 | Sivik | I have two video cards and 4 montiors. I have mouse pointer on two monitors but not the other two. Any ideas? ATI drivers |
| 17:59.21 | jelly | carlchen: the extended partition itself is not problematic. It's just important that the logical partitions inside it are properly aligned. |
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| 18:00.30 | carlchen | the logical are both okay, no warning or failure. |
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| 18:00.59 | dometrio7 | Hi guys, do you know if AMD 8000m series will be supported in Jessie? |
| 18:01.14 | carlchen | but why are the 1024 bytes not good, what happened, if i use not mbr ? i can gpt partitions and 3 primary use? |
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| 18:07.58 | Sivik | dometrio7: isn't that a relatively new card? |
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| 18:13.06 | dometrio7 | Sivik, yep |
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| 18:50.59 | bramgg | Yesterday I ran "apt-get dist-upgrade". Today upon turning on my computer the trackpad isn't working. Halp? |
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| 18:51.44 | bramgg | It's a Dell XPS 12 Laptop btw |
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| 19:01.39 | Sivik | anyone able to help with xorg issues in here? |
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| 19:02.04 | tremon | bramgg: on most dell laptops, the trackpad can be switched on and off with a key (either hardware toggle or soft-fn key). Have you checked that? |
| 19:03.01 | tremon | Sivik: no way to tell until you tell us the problem you're having |
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| 19:05.20 | bramgg | tremon: I was unaware of such a key, I'm not sure dell xps 12 has one |
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| 19:07.03 | Sivik | tremon, i have 4 monitors with ati drivers. I have two monitors on the bottom that have a mouse pointer and the other two monitors above it don't show the mouse cursor |
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| 19:07.19 | tremon | bramgg: I'm not familiar with that model, so I can't say for certain if it should (or not) be there. Anyway, dist-upgrade from what to what? Pasting yesterday's portion of /var/log/dpkg.log may help |
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| 19:08.30 | tremon | Sivik: which driver are you using? fglrx or the open-source driver? This is on debian wheezy? |
| 19:08.53 | bramgg | tremon: I'm doing everything without a mouse, so you'll have to wait for me to install some sort of CLI to uplaod the log file... |
| 19:09.10 | Sivik | fglrx and yes |
| 19:09.22 | Mousey | uh |
| 19:09.30 | tremon | !nopaste |
| 19:09.30 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 19:09.36 | tremon | bramgg: ^^ |
| 19:10.04 | bramgg | oh thanks :) |
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| 19:10.47 | tremon | Sivik: so the displays are enabled, and showing a desktop background, but the mouse doesn't move? or are the screens not turning on? |
| 19:11.03 | Sivik | tremon, the screens are on, I can see things, just no mouse pointer on two of the 4 monitors |
| 19:11.37 | bramgg | Can't install that because of unresolved packages |
| 19:13.16 | tremon | Sivik: I'm not too familiar with how fglrx handles multiple monitors sadly. Have you tried all your screen's borders, i.e. the other screens are not simply to the right or left |
| 19:13.36 | tremon | bramgg: try pastebinit |
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| 19:14.05 | Sivik | I have already fixed the issues with the monitors not showing up correctly. I have two on the bottom, one on the left and one on the right, and then two on the top, one on the right and one on the left. I just don't have the cursor but I can still click on things on the top two monitors, just hard to see where I am since there is no mouse cursor |
| 19:14.50 | Elirips | Hello. Does anyone know how I can disable MTP completely? Its frustrating, MTP crashes about 80% of the time I want to import pictures from my camera. Before MTP the cam was connected as a "normal" USB-device (like a memory stick) |
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| 19:14.55 | tremon | bramgg: your yesterday's dist-upgrade may not be fully completed. try re-running apt-get update, apt-get install -f and apt-get dist-upgrade. multiple times if you have to |
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| 19:15.16 | Elirips | I do not want to fix it, nor report a bug, I would just like to kick out all of this mtp. using debian wheezy. any hints? |
| 19:15.45 | tremon | Elirips: usually you do that from the device's end. I.e. set your camera to present itself as removable storage instead of mtp device |
| 19:16.05 | Elirips | tremon: thx, I'll try |
| 19:16.06 | bramgg | http://www.termbin.com/ovsl <-- |
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| 19:16.19 | bramgg | tremon: ^ |
| 19:16.31 | tremon | Sivik: ok, that's a clear description. It sounds like a driver issue to me, was it upgraded recently? |
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| 19:16.57 | Sivik | Before I didn't have it even installed cause it wouldn't eve work with my 4 monitors but I just installed it and this is the last problem I have. |
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| 19:17.43 | cjbirk | hi |
| 19:17.45 | tremon | Sivik: try asking #fglrx as well. Maybe it's a known issue |
| 19:17.54 | cjbirk | How do I keep users from changing their background in gnome? |
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| 19:19.01 | Sivik | I didn't know there was an fglrx channel |
| 19:19.04 | Elirips | tremon: fglrx is still alive? :D I remember the pain to make it work using s-video output to a pal tv 10 years ago :D |
| 19:19.23 | Sivik | Yes it is Elirips |
| 19:19.34 | Sivik | the channel isn't there though |
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| 19:19.55 | tremon | hmm, I may be misremembering. I'll see if I can find it |
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| 19:20.31 | Elirips | hm, I'm unable to disable it on the camera (Canon powershot s110). Do I really need to mess with the udev rules now to disable it? |
| 19:20.35 | mtn | #ati? |
| 19:20.51 | tremon | bramgg: ok, I see that xorg was upgraded yesterday, so this may be a bug. Can you paste the output of dpkg -l xserver* ? |
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| 19:21.02 | rapha | hi! |
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| 19:21.27 | rapha | is there a way i could get xfce 4.12 in jessie today? (some repository, ppa, whatever?) |
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| 19:21.47 | bramgg | tremon: http://termbin.com/la07 |
| 19:22.23 | cjbirk | How do I keep users from changing their background? Is there a way to lock the background so that users can not change it? Thank you. |
| 19:22.30 | DammitJim | is there a command to get the gateway address for an interface? |
| 19:22.52 | tremon | DammitJim: usually, you have only one gateway address per machine, not per interface |
| 19:23.02 | Sivik | DammitJim: route should show you as should ifconfig |
| 19:23.06 | DammitJim | Trellmor, true |
| 19:23.09 | tremon | oh, and it's ip route show |
| 19:23.10 | DammitJim | oh yeah, forgot about route |
| 19:23.42 | SynrG | !tell rapha about sns |
| 19:23.43 | tremon | Sivik: yes, it's #ati. Seems quiet though |
| 19:23.53 | tremon | mtn: thanks |
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| 19:24.35 | SynrG | rapha: nothing supported. What's wrong with 4.10? |
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| 19:27.06 | SynrG | rapha: if you find a ppa, don't use it. Distro mixing is a great way to trash your system. |
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| 19:27.21 | rapha | SynrG: nothing, i'd just like to try out 4.12 |
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| 19:28.06 | SynrG | Maybe on some other distro. A live image maybe? |
| 19:28.13 | rapha | SynrG: i guess then my system's already trashed (except that it's still working because it's all very specific ppa's only) |
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| 19:28.34 | rapha | !tell rapha about ssb |
| 19:28.40 | bramgg | tremon: does anything jump out at you? I'm not sure what I should be looking for |
| 19:28.47 | tremon | bramgg: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy libc6 xserver-xorg-core ? You're running X from wheezy with libc6 from jessie, it looks like |
| 19:29.13 | rapha | SynrG: i guess i'll just compile from git |
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| 19:30.14 | bramgg | tremon: http://termbin.com/loji & http://termbin.com/euzy respectively |
| 19:30.31 | bramgg | tremon: and yes I believe you're correct about what I'm running |
| 19:30.56 | Elirips | bah, its a frustrating shame so unstable stuff like mtp gets into a debian stable |
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| 19:31.10 | tremon | bramgg: the first link gives me a 404. what dist-upgrade did you try yesterday? |
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| 19:31.56 | bramgg | tremon: sorry first link should be http://termbin.com/1oji |
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| 19:33.00 | bramgg | tremon: I'm not sure, I just ran (perhaps naively) "apt-get dist-upgrade" because I was having broken package problems and a blog post suggested it (it worked though) |
| 19:33.08 | tremon | bramgg: with that config, I'd say it's amazing that the only problem you're having is a non-working touchpad :) |
| 19:33.15 | bramgg | oh boy :0 |
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| 19:33.28 | tremon | you're pulling in packages from debian, ubuntu and mint |
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| 19:33.54 | bramgg | tremon: yeah, I've done what I've had to to install packages in the past :/ |
| 19:34.20 | mtn | bramgg: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 19:35.45 | bramgg | mtn: would it be safe now to just remove the sources or am I too far down the rabbit hole? |
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| 19:36.07 | mtn | bramgg: really hard to say. I wouldn't want to use that system :) |
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| 19:36.21 | tremon | bramgg: you could try to downgrade libc6 to wheezy again, but I don't think a single downgrade would help. And seeing playonlinux there, I doubt that the system would let you |
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| 19:36.47 | bramgg | This is both sad and funny at the same time... |
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| 19:36.56 | dt__ | wheres the file that the terminal shows when you run synclient -l? |
| 19:37.10 | dt__ | it has settings that i need to manually change to fix my touchpad |
| 19:37.30 | bramgg | dt__: "Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?" |
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| 19:37.56 | tremon | bramgg: to see the extent of the "damage", you could comment all non-debian sources, re-run apt-get update (no *upgrade!) and then look for all packages that have no source any more |
| 19:38.16 | bramgg | Honestly if my system's so F'd up I'm just going to save what work I have on here, format my hard drive, and re-install debian |
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| 19:38.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you're going to go to all that trouble, are you sure it's debian that you want to re-install? |
| 19:38.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | ducks |
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| 19:39.04 | bramgg | NoImNotNineVolt: I can't be that bad |
| 19:39.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's not you, it's debian :P |
| 19:39.31 | bramgg | debian seems like the only sensible choice |
| 19:39.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | you know, that's a very valid observation. |
| 19:39.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've arrived at that conclusion many times myself. |
| 19:39.56 | tremon | it's hard to tell how broken it is, and how much of that is out of necessity. If you are simply going to re-add those sources, there's little point in reinstalling |
| 19:40.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | but then every time i install it, i re-learn the errors of my ways :P |
| 19:40.38 | bramgg | tremon: I don't remember why I ever added those. Re installing hardly takes me any time and most of my work is backed up, so this really won't be a big deal |
| 19:40.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | [i didn't read my channel buffer and have no context when i say crazy things] |
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| 19:40.59 | tremon | if it's a learning experience you're going for, I would remove all non-debian sources, then perform a dist-upgrade to jessie |
| 19:41.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | protip: keep /home on a separate partition, makes switching os's easy. |
| 19:41.39 | tremon | hopefully most of the "foreign" packages can be upgraded to their jessie variants, and you keep your current setup and install |
| 19:41.42 | bramgg | NoImNotNineVolt: thanks, i'll do that this time |
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| 19:42.09 | tremon | has someone mentioned backups yet? :D |
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| 19:42.49 | superlinux-hp | hi. |
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| 19:44.06 | tremon | bramgg: it's your choice. A reinstall is recommended to get back to a working (or at least supported) state quickly. But I tend to enjoy salvaging systems, so I would choose differently |
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| 19:44.36 | superlinux-hp | I noticed that my proxy allows me to download small files on wire speed. so how can I apt-get dist-upgrade in a way that downloads small files before the big files? |
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| 19:45.46 | tremon | superlinux-hp: I don't think there's an easy way to do that, other than sorting the to-be-upgraded packages by size manually, and running apt-get -d install on them yourself |
| 19:45.50 | tremon | scripted, of course |
| 19:46.16 | tomivs | Hi all, my wired connection is not working, please help me. Wireless is good |
| 19:46.18 | superlinux-hp | tremon, I know I have to script it. |
| 19:46.36 | superlinux-hp | but I just need the method or the keys to do it. |
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| 19:47.08 | photographer | hi! i would like to have usb bootable debian wheezy... is it possible? i would like it to work like knoppix |
| 19:47.14 | tremon | I would start with aptitude search ~U. Aptitude can probably print the download size as well |
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| 19:47.51 | tremon | then use some invocation of sort, and a shell loop over that sorted output |
| 19:47.54 | mtn | photographer: you want to install debian to usb? you should be able to do that. |
| 19:48.10 | photographer | ok. what about drivers? |
| 19:48.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | mtn: s/to/from/ |
| 19:48.15 | mtn | photographer: or do you want live disk with persistence? |
| 19:48.16 | cjbirk | wow there is really no way to lock the background so that non-admin users cant change it in Debian? |
| 19:48.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm sure there is. |
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| 19:48.44 | cjbirk | ive already asked twice with no response, and google proves fruitless |
| 19:48.53 | OEP | cjbirk: what window manager are you using? |
| 19:49.01 | mtn | photographer: what drivers? |
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| 19:49.08 | cjbirk | OEP: Gnome. |
| 19:49.20 | photographer | i would like to have debian on usb and to have chance to update it... |
| 19:49.39 | photographer | to install new packages... to costumise it |
| 19:49.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | cjbirk: what file is the current background setting stored in? |
| 19:49.41 | mtn | photographer: so that would be actually installed to the usb. should be easy to specify that in the installer |
| 19:50.11 | tremon | superlinux-hp: probably start with aptitude -F "%D %p" search ~U |
| 19:50.17 | MrSunshine | hmm anyone using autofs for cifs shares ? i have a bit of a problem .. it works fine .. for a period of time .. then im getting that "permission denied" when trying to access the mount ... going to automount -vf i get that the network is unreachable or something similar .. but i can access the share throught a file manager and going to "network" -> computer -> share ... like wt? :/ |
| 19:50.26 | photographer | but i woul like it to work on different laptops... |
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| 19:50.50 | cjbirk | NoImNotNineVolt: im not sure how to check that |
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| 19:51.00 | mtn | photographer: just need to install firmware, extra drivers, etc. |
| 19:51.07 | OEP | cjbirk: Ah OK. We do some window manager locking-down, and chose to use XFCE since it has been easier to figure out. |
| 19:51.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | cjbirk: once you can answer that question, you can chown/chmod that file as required to prevent modification by non-root. |
| 19:51.26 | cjbirk | gotcha NoImNotNineVolt |
| 19:51.27 | cjbirk | thanks |
| 19:51.33 | tremon | cjbirk: ask #gnome. There used to be a template file in which you could configure settings that users were unable to override, but I've broken all contact with that DE |
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| 19:51.41 | photographer | mtn i dont know on wich architecture.... |
| 19:51.56 | photographer | i woul like it to work on many... |
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| 19:52.20 | mtn | photographer: debian might not be the best choice, then, since non-free stuff is not included by default |
| 19:53.06 | photographer | mtn, i like debian in many ways.. |
| 19:53.48 | mtn | photographer: sure, but there are already specialist distros to do what you want to do. but, I am sure you can do it if you want to. just be a bunch of work ;) |
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| 19:56.24 | photographer | it works for me, i am not wokin for him |
| 19:56.58 | photographer | mtn, tell me distros based on debian insteed knooppix and tails |
| 19:57.11 | photographer | that doin bootable.... |
| 19:58.07 | mtn | photographer: don't know, but I'll bet google does |
| 19:58.07 | photographer | please |
| 19:58.16 | photographer | oki |
| 19:58.36 | photographer | i woul like to test it |
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| 20:00.02 | tremon | photographer: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg -- we don't really keep track of all of debian's derivatives, for obvious reasons |
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| 20:01.04 | mtn | that's a cool pic |
| 20:01.09 | photographer | i am just booting knoppix to loock that in laptop |
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| 20:01.55 | photographer | wow |
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| 20:02.11 | photographer | what pic ;) |
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| 20:04.10 | Elirips | tremon: impressive |
| 20:04.49 | rapha | wow, impressive indeed |
| 20:05.23 | sonday | hi every one i'm searching for a good Tutorial to find best way install "apache nutch on debian wheezy" ,,, can you help me to find it ? |
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| 20:07.06 | sonday | hi every one i'm searching for a good Tutorial to find best way install "apache nutch on debian wheezy" ,,, can you help me to find it ? |
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| 20:09.05 | photographer | tremon, and all of the names are links! great |
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| 20:09.40 | sonday | hi every one i'm searching for a good Tutorial to find best way install "apache nutch on debian wheezy" ,,, can you help me to find it ? |
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| 20:10.16 | mtn | sonday: it is good manners to wait at least ten minutes before reposting your question |
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| 20:10.36 | sonday | mtn, :) tahnk you |
| 20:10.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | plus, what is this nutch. |
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| 20:15.01 | Elirips | when was potato on the nice picture? |
| 20:15.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | immediately after being sliced up and deep fried? |
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| 20:16.20 | Elirips | just before sarge, not? or was woody next? |
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| 20:17.16 | SynrG | From memory, www.debian.org/releases |
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| 20:17.54 | Elirips | SynrGy: thx |
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| 20:21.03 | sam___ | If dpkg-buildpackage is interrupted in the middle of compiling, can I continue that build using another command? |
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| 20:21.32 | sam___ | when I run dpkg-buildpackage again it cleans the source tree up (which throws away some work)) |
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| 20:22.05 | towo` | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 20:24.20 | sam___ | thanks! I'll try that |
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| 20:24.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | so it looks like the systemd debhelper doesn't take care of the postrm stuff for you? |
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| 20:25.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | i purge my package and the systemd service script stays in /lib/systemd/system/ |
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| 20:25.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | do i need to clean that up in .postrm myself? |
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| 20:27.11 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: what exactly are you talking about? |
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| 20:27.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm talkind about debian packaging. |
| 20:27.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/d/g/ |
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| 20:28.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: any experience with the systemd dh? |
| 20:29.31 | valdyn | sam___: depends on the package, chances are you could just run make |
| 20:30.06 | valdyn | sam___: or uh, you want to have a debian package, so "debian/rules binary" |
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| 20:30.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | i could add `rm bla` as another cleanup line in my postrm, but in light of the discussion about the subtlety of debian packaging policy, i figured i'd check what the preferred course of action is. |
| 20:30.41 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: what are you packaging, and why? |
| 20:31.00 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: again: what exactly are you talking about? files are tracked automatically, there should no postrm be involved at all |
| 20:31.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | abrotman: a python project, and to fascilitate installation. |
| 20:31.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | valdyn: okay, so then why is my .service file being installed but not removed during purge? |
| 20:31.29 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: How did you install the systemd service? |
| 20:31.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | debhelper. |
| 20:31.35 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: *how* is it installed? |
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| 20:31.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 20:31.39 | dpkg | package package.deb is already installed |
| 20:31.42 | abrotman | no .. |
| 20:31.44 | abrotman | not what we're asking |
| 20:31.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | then i'm misunderstanding your question. |
| 20:32.01 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: how does the debian package manage that file's installation? |
| 20:32.05 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: what in /lib/systemd/system/ do you want to clean up? |
| 20:32.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | abrotman: the package.service file that is installed from my package. |
| 20:32.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | valdyn: the systemd debhelper. |
| 20:32.33 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: and if it's a file, how did you create that file? Is it part of the package? or is it done from the postinst/preinst scripts? |
| 20:32.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | i created it by having a debian/package.service file and enabling the systemd debhelper in my debian/rules |
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| 20:33.08 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: thats wrong |
| 20:33.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | (i'm not copying it in with a postinst or anything like that) |
| 20:33.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | really? using the systemd debhelper is wrong? |
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| 20:34.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | i apologize if i come across as combative, i'm just somewhat frustrated with this situation. |
| 20:34.20 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: i think someone more familiar with packaging than me should help you. But /lib contents cant be handled by a script, they must be *in* the package and installed like any file, not any script |
| 20:34.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | valdyn: isn't that what i just said i did? |
| 20:34.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm _not_ copying it in with a postinst. |
| 20:35.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | i _am_ including it in debian/package.service and letting the systemd debhelper install it. |
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| 20:35.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's why i'm wondering why it's not being cleaned up on purge. i don't want to just add a line in postrm to do cleanup, because i'm aware that policy 10.7.3 explictly warns to not do things that way. |
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| 20:36.33 | ompaul | !mentor |
| 20:36.33 | dpkg | i heard mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 20:36.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've popped into mentors a few times. they're some sleepy folks over there :P |
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| 20:37.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly has been my shephard. |
| 20:37.31 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: see your postinst and prerm scripts, the file is probably in there |
| 20:37.37 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: if it is, thats wrong |
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| 20:37.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's not. |
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| 20:37.55 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: did you look? thats what dh-systemd does |
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| 20:38.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | you mean the debhelper variants of those scripts? possibly. let me check. |
| 20:38.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | i know the ones i wrote don't do anything with it. because i'm the one that wrote them. |
| 20:38.51 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: yes, of course |
| 20:39.03 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: but dh-systemd edits those files... |
| 20:40.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's no cp. |
| 20:40.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | although indeed, there's a lot of references to the service file. |
| 20:41.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | deb-systemd-helper enable; deb-systemd-helper update-state; update-rc.d; invoke-rc.d; deb-systemd-invoke start |
| 20:41.19 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: your /lib/whatever.service needs to be packaged as a file |
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| 20:41.25 | sonday | mtn, :) tahnk you |
| 20:41.27 | sonday | hi every one i'm searching for a good Tutorial to find best way install "apache nutch on debian wheezy" ,,, can you help me to find it ? |
| 20:41.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought all i needed to do was put the .service file in debian/ |
| 20:41.45 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: the debhelper manages the code to enable / start / stop / disable the service upon installation or removal |
| 20:41.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | and add systemd to my dh line in rules? |
| 20:42.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | so then what manages the copying of that file to /lib/systemd/system/? |
| 20:42.14 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: i cant help you with the technicalities because i dont do packages... |
| 20:42.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | (and the removing from there as well) |
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| 20:42.52 | mtn | sonday: first google hit: http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/GettingNutchRunningWithDebian |
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| 20:43.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | because the trivial (though counter-to-policy) solution would be for me to simply copy and rm the service file myself from postinst and postrm. |
| 20:43.16 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: yea, but thats evil |
| 20:43.21 | sonday | mtn, it does not help, i searching for something better |
| 20:43.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | one man's evil is another man's easy :P |
| 20:43.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | but i agree. i'd like to stay true to policy. |
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| 20:44.21 | valdyn | http://askubuntu.com/questions/62877/add-new-files-into-deb-package-youre-building |
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| 20:45.46 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: first 5 lines in the 1st answer ;) |
| 20:46.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | that doesn't explain how the .service file is making its way into /lib/systemd/system without it being included in debian/install |
| 20:46.43 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: *you* need to edit debian/install |
| 20:46.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | i know. i'm editing it right now. the service file is not listed in there. |
| 20:47.05 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: of course, *add* it |
| 20:47.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | and yet it's still being installed to /lib/systemd/system/ |
| 20:47.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | no, not until i understand why it's being added to /lib/systemd/system/ without already being listed in debian/install. |
| 20:47.22 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: because you are abusing the dh-systemd, probably |
| 20:47.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't like magic that i can't understand. |
| 20:48.03 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: its very simple, if the scripts that automagically create your install file dont cover a specific file, add it manually |
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| 20:49.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | i think you're missing the other part of my question. |
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| 20:49.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | why is my service file already being copied in if it's not listed in debian/install? |
| 20:50.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not going to add it to debian/install if it's _already_ being installed. |
| 20:50.13 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: youre doing that with dh-systemd somehow |
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| 20:50.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | something is broken. i'm not going to just start applying bandaids until it looks like it's fixed. |
| 20:50.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's a terrible approach to fixing things :P |
| 20:51.06 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: sure |
| 20:52.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | i appreciate the feedback on debian/install though. i currently don't have one and everything installs [and removes, with the exception of the service file] just ifne. |
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| 20:52.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/ifne/fine/ |
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| 21:01.18 | tomivs | Debian Unstable == Debian Testing? |
| 21:01.22 | tomivs | Plz help me |
| 21:01.25 | ompaul | bi |
| 21:01.27 | ompaul | no |
| 21:01.31 | ompaul | it's not |
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| 21:05.53 | solar_sea | Hi. I have a package with failing prerm and postrm scripts. How can I force dpkg to remove it while disregarding script errors ? Thanks! |
| 21:06.23 | cafuego | solar_sea: add an 'exit 0' at the top of both scripts (or right before the failing line) |
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| 21:06.38 | cafuego | Find the scripts under /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 21:06.47 | solar_sea | cafuego, thanks mate! :) |
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| 21:07.09 | mojzesz | hello |
| 21:07.21 | regularfry | Quick question: the wheezy netinstall offers encrypted LVM as an option, while the CD-1 iso doesn't. Why is that? |
| 21:07.34 | cafuego | solar_sea: You might want to grab a copy of the scripts and manually do what they try to cleanup |
| 21:08.49 | mojzesz | i want to ask about debian 7.0 will this dist be good on PC with Intel Celeron 3.06GHZ processor with 1.5 GB ram? |
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| 21:08.59 | cafuego | mojzesz: yes |
| 21:09.23 | regularfry | actually, I lie: I've just got the netinstall iso to not offer encrypted LVM as a partitioning method too |
| 21:09.24 | solar_sea | cafuego, flawless, thanks once again :) |
| 21:09.28 | mojzesz | what graphic environment will be the best then? |
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| 21:09.46 | mojzesz | flawless ty jestes hixa? |
| 21:10.01 | cafuego | mojzesz: Something light, probably not full Gnome. |
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| 21:10.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay. i went over to the mentors channel. |
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| 21:10.32 | cafuego | mojzesz: I don't run GUIs on Debian, so I can't help there. |
| 21:10.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | i asked my question again. |
| 21:10.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | and then the problem evaporated. |
| 21:10.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | the .service file magically cleans itself up. |
| 21:10.54 | KaaK | is it possible to detect which USB port a devices has been plugged into based on anything in sysfs? (bus id, device id, etc) |
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| 21:11.25 | mojzesz | thank you cafuego then after install debian i will install only gnome or xfce xlde it's for my neighbour i have backtrack installed |
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| 21:12.17 | KaaK | I'm revamping an automated USB device configuration tool in my office. |
| 21:12.46 | regularfry | anyone know what the logic is behind how the installer decides what partitioning methods to offer? |
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| 21:13.29 | KaaK | The ability to be informed about which specific port a USB device has been plugged into would be nice info to feed into an output device for technicians to use |
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| 21:14.06 | cafuego | KaaK: Check sysfs after plugging a device into a port, then another port, then the original port. |
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| 21:19.37 | KaaK | looks like bus a device are out, device appears to be an auto incrementing integer |
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| 21:30.06 | tremon | KaaK: does lsusb -t help? |
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| 21:34.37 | KaaK | tremon, lsusb -t appears to get the topology consistent, but it doesn't have enough details that could be parsed and fed into a script :( |
| 21:35.01 | KaaK | it looks like sysfs does indeed reflect the physical topology of the USB ports |
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| 21:36.04 | KaaK | it looks like this could be hooked into udev with relative ease: http://www.jonnor.com/files/parse-usbport-devpath.py |
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| 21:43.17 | snadge | i have installed mariadb on a new jessie install with phpmyadmin.. and it gives me this warning "Your PHP MySQL library version 5.5.40 differs from your MySQL server version 10.0.15. This may cause unpredictable behavior." |
| 21:43.27 | snadge | is this something i should be concerned about? |
| 21:43.50 | xeniter | E: Package 'libjson-c2' has no installation candidate )= any ideas? |
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| 21:53.28 | felix_mc | whats the best way to share users between a small linux network |
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| 21:54.18 | KaaK | when using make files, how does make decide if a target is out-of-date? Can anyone point me to the man file for this? |
| 21:54.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | probably by looking at sources mtimes? |
| 21:54.51 | cafuego | yes |
| 21:55.56 | KaaK | I should probably explain a bit further. I'm not actually building software with make, just automating some tasks that lend themselves to living in makefiles |
| 21:56.14 | cafuego | KaaK: That doesn't change the answer. |
| 21:56.44 | cafuego | KaaK: It just means that if you don't have source files, the target will effectively always be out of date. |
| 21:56.45 | KaaK | So i need a target to be an actual file? Not just some verb like 'build' 'upload' etc |
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| 21:59.29 | tremon | http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Prerequisite-Types.html#Prerequisite-Types |
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| 22:00.14 | tremon | as for targets that are not actual files, see http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Phony-Targets.html#Phony-Targets |
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| 22:00.39 | KaaK | tremon, thanks! |
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| 22:01.49 | acz32 | i have an internet-facing ssh port open. how do i see some log with which IPs are attempting to connect to me? |
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| 22:03.38 | KaaK | acz32, /var/log/auth.log will have ssh login attempts (successful and unsuccessful). Also iptables can easily log to syslog when certain rules are matched. |
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| 22:04.30 | acz32 | thanks |
| 22:05.12 | lyft | i'm trying to install deb package, in terminal i'm writing: sudo dpkg -i /home/login/downloads/xxx.deb |
| 22:05.45 | lyft | and then I get: [sudo] password for "login" |
| 22:06.41 | lyft | and I'm typing my root password and I get "sorry, try again" |
| 22:07.08 | lyft | then I'm typing my user password, also dont work |
| 22:07.25 | lyft | no password? dont work either |
| 22:07.31 | lyft | what should I do? |
| 22:07.38 | SynrG | Are you in sudoers? |
| 22:07.59 | lyft | I'm new at this, before I was using Mint |
| 22:08.00 | tremon | lyft: what error message do you get? |
| 22:08.12 | zege | tremon: look up. |
| 22:08.18 | lyft | "Sorry, try again" |
| 22:08.36 | tremon | lyft: you get the same error when typing your own password? |
| 22:09.05 | lyft | to my user account? |
| 22:09.15 | lyft | no I can login with no problem |
| 22:09.47 | SynrG | Is "login" the user you created when you installed debian? |
| 22:09.57 | tremon | you said two things: 1) I'm typing my root password and I get "sorry, try again" 2) I'm typing my user password, also dont work |
| 22:10.18 | tremon | I'm asking which error message you got in step 2 |
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| 22:10.24 | lyft | ok, wait |
| 22:10.57 | tremon | because "sorry, try again" is the normal response if you entered the wrong password |
| 22:11.11 | lyft | "lyft is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
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| 22:11.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | try uber? |
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| 22:11.30 | SynrG | Like i said. Not in sudoers |
| 22:11.41 | lyft | so what I should do? |
| 22:11.44 | zege | lyft: add your user to group sudo |
| 22:11.46 | SynrG | It's nice to be ignored |
| 22:11.52 | zege | so do : su - |
| 22:12.01 | zege | then: adduser USERNAME sudo |
| 22:12.19 | zege | u need to type root-passwd after su - |
| 22:12.44 | zege | then reload sudo conf: /etc/init.d/sudo reload |
| 22:13.27 | tremon | SynrG: just to be clear, I wasn't ignoring you, but wanted to see the actual error message (actually, I wanted the requestor to acknowledge the error message) |
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| 22:14.06 | sonday | mtn, it does not help, i searching for something better |
| 22:14.09 | sonday | hi every one i'm searching for a good Tutorial to find best way install "apache nutch on debian wheezy" ,,, can you help me to find it ? |
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| 22:15.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | sonday: isn't there a readme? |
| 22:15.24 | zege | sonday: have u tryed http://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.apache.org%2Fnutch%2FGettingNutchRunningWithDebian&ei=4iXdVNHeM4X3UoO9gPAB&usg=AFQjCNET5vHjlaXpC1nNe38i8V8OGaxmTQ&sig2=jPSjTbpIvAv6zI2Um_3ZTg&bvm=bv.85970519,d.d24 |
| 22:15.59 | sonday | NoImNotNineVolt, this is pice of shit, i want some thing better |
| 22:16.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | hahaha |
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| 22:16.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not surprised. their main webpage says "DOWNLAODS PAGE" |
| 22:16.36 | teraflops | sonday: so the official doc is junk for you ... |
| 22:16.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | [sic] |
| 22:16.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | the official docs really do look like junk though. |
| 22:16.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | at least on the web. |
| 22:17.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | "we are pleased to announce that Nutch 2.3 release now comes packaged with a self contained Apache Wicket-based Web Application." |
| 22:17.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | packaged... they keep using that word... |
| 22:17.43 | tremon | wicked! |
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| 22:17.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | i doin't think it means what they think it means :P |
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| 22:18.27 | sonday | NoImNotNineVolt, i want to change hadoop_home env ! |
| 22:18.40 | sonday | and i dont know where is main config file of it |
| 22:18.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | export hadoop_env="something" |
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| 22:19.40 | zege | sonday: http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/GettingNutchRunningWithDebian ? |
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| 22:24.07 | lyft | @zege, I added my user to sudo group, now what I should do? "sudo conf: /etc.init.d/sudo reload"? |
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| 22:24.30 | srg | lyft: log out and then back in |
| 22:24.35 | srg | then sudo will work |
| 22:24.46 | srg | sudo isn't a service to reload from init.d |
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| 22:25.09 | srg | er, it shouldn't be? Apparently there is a script there |
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| 22:26.31 | Voyager82 | Hello. I don't know if this the proper channel to ask. I'm having a problem using Octave. I was told that the problem might be related to ATLAS, that is a package that Octave uses. How can I find better details about this? |
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| 22:26.54 | zege | srg: i know but i dont know wth this script does or is supposed to do. |
| 22:27.35 | srg | zege: yeah, me either. it looks mostly empty |
| 22:27.37 | srg | shrugs |
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| 22:28.22 | zege | srg: i tryed to add a new user to sudoers and do reload and restart, but it does nothing. |
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| 22:28.42 | zege | srg: so you still have to log out to get your new powers ;) |
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| 22:30.15 | zege | srg: Ah OK. It clears the privs cache at reboot. |
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| 22:32.29 | srg | zege: That makes sense! |
| 22:33.17 | zege | Voyager82: I don't know anything about Octave, but i guess People could help you better when knowing _what_ Problem you have. |
| 22:34.03 | zege | srg: google helped me find out: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=125935 |
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| 22:34.37 | Voyager82 | zege, when executing, in Octave, the instruction roots ([1, 0, -4]), that is used to calculate the roots of the polinomial x^2-4, I get the error message "illegal instruction". |
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| 22:35.14 | Voyager82 | zege, it doesn't make sense. It should be related to the package ATLAS, that Octave uses in order to do operations with matrices. |
| 22:35.16 | mookins | Voyager82: Quick google shows https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635520 |
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| 22:36.27 | Voyager82 | mookins, that was an old bug, that I experienced. It was related to plotting functions. It was solved passing from Squeeze to Wheezy. |
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| 22:37.01 | Voyager82 | The bug in ATLAS should be related to a binary instruction that doesn't work with my old computer: a Pentium 4. |
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| 22:38.41 | zege | Voyager82: On bugs.debian.org/... they say in Message #15: I let apt remove atlas and install lapack and blas in replacement: |
| 22:38.44 | zege | > apt-get remove libatlas3gf-base |
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| 22:38.47 | zege | and it works. |
| 22:38.51 | zege | Sry. |
| 22:39.11 | Voyager82 | zege, which link? |
| 22:39.21 | zege | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635520 |
| 22:39.21 | mookins | Voyager82: What is your hardware now? |
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| 22:40.09 | nicholosophy | morning. Wondering if people can guide me as to whether to look at kvm or virtualbox for a VM? running a windows host so can't use lxc. |
| 22:40.43 | zege | Voyager82: but i'm just guessing around. I really have no idea what Octave does and how it works. Never heard of it before today. |
| 22:40.48 | mookins | nicholosophy: Just for personal use, and are you using a GUI? |
| 22:41.05 | mookins | zege: It is like MATLAB |
| 22:41.22 | nicholosophy | mookins, just for personal use - I can deal with either cmdline or gui |
| 22:41.31 | zege | I did like Mathlab back in school ... |
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| 22:41.50 | Voyager82 | zege, if it doesn't work, the worst thing that can happen is that I have to reinstall ATLAS: apt-get install libatlas3gf-base. Right? |
| 22:42.14 | zege | Voyager82: yes. |
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| 22:42.45 | nicholosophy | mookins, actually now I think of it I'll be using vagrant as well, so I'll need Virtualbox regardless at some point. |
| 22:42.51 | sonday | how to fix this error : main configuration deprecation hadoop.native.lib is deprecated |
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| 22:43.17 | mookins | nicholosophy: No idea what vagrant is, and I never used VirtualBox, but I use KVM extensively on CLI with great success. |
| 22:43.34 | nicholosophy | mookins, cool. Thanks |
| 22:43.37 | mookins | nicholosophy: With both Linux (predominantly) and WIndows |
| 22:44.23 | Voyager82 | zege, it seems that ATLAS is not installed. :) |
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| 22:44.59 | zege_tablet | Voyager82, did you try installing it? |
| 22:45.12 | Voyager82 | zege_tablet, let me try. |
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| 22:47.05 | Voyager82 | zege_tablet, still the same. |
| 22:47.58 | Voyager82 | It could be related to this line: Octave was configured for "i486-pc-linux-gnu". |
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| 22:48.56 | mookins | Voyager82: What hardware are you running now? |
| 22:49.05 | Voyager82 | A Pentium 4. |
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| 22:49.42 | bynarie | anyone got a suggestion for a proxy server (not squid)? |
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| 22:50.30 | mookins | bynarie: nginx can be used as a proxy I think |
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| 22:50.55 | sonday | how to fix this error : main configuration deprecation hadoop.native.lib is deprecated |
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| 22:51.53 | mookins | sonday: It sounds like a Hadoop issue. Google that exact error and have a look |
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| 22:52.24 | sonday | mookins, i cant find a way to fix this, can you help ? |
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| 22:53.49 | mookins | sonday: Never used Hadoop sorry, but it seems like hadoop.native.lib is deprecated and needs to be changed to something else. They probably have another default something to substitute. |
| 22:53.55 | zege | Voyager82: I was just looking at https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/doc/interpreter/Finding-Roots.html#XREFroots Maybe your syntax is just wrong? try to do as they instruct in the linked manual. |
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| 22:55.36 | Voyager82 | zege, no. I still have the same problem. |
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| 22:56.47 | mookins | Voyager82: are you using straight Wheezy repositories or are you bringing in some external? |
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| 22:57.14 | Voyager82 | mookins, no. Just straight "main" Debian repositories. |
| 22:58.37 | Voyager82 | mookins, zege, my understanding is that the old bug was related to the fact the binary code used by Octave was not implemented for "old computers". The proeblem was solved with the Wheezy distro. I'm afraid that this bug was not solved at all. |
| 22:58.47 | zege | Voyager82: i did install octave on my sys now and tryed to run your commands and for me it works just fine. |
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| 22:59.20 | Voyager82 | zege, yes. Maybe, you're computer is not as "old" as mine. It's the instruction set that is different. |
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| 22:59.37 | Voyager82 | zege, just apt-get install octave? |
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| 22:59.58 | mookins | Voyager82: compile from source I guess |
| 23:00.16 | Voyager82 | mookins, gee! :D |
| 23:00.31 | zege | Voyager82: yes of course. And yes I do have an AMD 64bit sys. |
| 23:00.48 | intelikey | graphic user interface (more specificly desktop environment/window manager) fails to load... "/usr/bin/xfce4-session: /usr/bin/xfce4-session: cannot execute binary file" anyone know what might cause that kind of error ? |
| 23:00.49 | Voyager82 | zege, same as mine. |
| 23:00.57 | mookins | Voyager82: you'll be fine :D |
| 23:01.13 | mookins | Voyager82: I learnt Linux by first using RedHat back in 1998, which I didn |
| 23:01.24 | Voyager82 | I should try any other matrix computation, at least to find which package is wrong. |
| 23:01.31 | mookins | 't care for, then I built my system according to LinuxFromScratch. :D |
| 23:02.01 | mookins | Voyager82: Perhaps try SciPy, I use that for everything now. I havent used Octave in year. I much prefer Python syntax and its power in general computing. |
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| 23:02.08 | huleo | mookins: good fun, but let's be honest, only hardcore-hardcore people are actually using it day-to-day ;) |
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| 23:02.43 | intelikey | i'm thinking it's an issue with pam maybe ? |
| 23:02.56 | intelikey | huleo "it" ? |
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| 23:03.25 | mookins | huleo: I got tired of trying to keep it up to date, but I learnt more than I could have ever imagined. Then I never really used Linux for a big block of time, then I found Gentoo. Now I am getting into Debian so that I can have other people maintain our servers here. |
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| 23:04.12 | mookins | huleo: and Debian is just easy |
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| 23:05.34 | intelikey | anyone ? |
| 23:06.22 | mookins | huleo: I liken LinuxFromScratch to having been given your first car in pieces, from which you had to assemble it. |
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| 23:10.03 | zege | intelikey: seems to be a problem with permissions. Did you check permissions on /usr/bin/xfce4-session ? |
| 23:10.21 | c|AFK|uego | Bueller? |
| 23:11.29 | intelikey | -rwxr-xr-x |
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| 23:12.53 | zege | intelikey: that seems to be ok. Can you post the full output of what happens when u try to start x? |
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| 23:13.36 | c|AFK|uego | should be in .xsession-errors already eh? |
| 23:13.49 | intelikey | zege i'm thinking that i've seen this before and it is something to do with either superuser name not being root; or entire system being mounted "nosuid" and if i could just remember what i had to edit to fix it...... |
| 23:14.09 | c|AFK|uego | intelikey: X wants to be suid root |
| 23:14.23 | c|AFK|uego | intelikey: So that would it stop running, yes. |
| 23:14.50 | intelikey | c|AFX|uego yeah. but it isn't going to get everything it wants. |
| 23:15.52 | intelikey | i had this all working fine for years... did a dist-upgrade and now i have to remember where i left the keys.... ;/ |
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| 23:16.26 | intelikey | i think it's pam. i'll look in there some more |
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| 23:17.22 | intelikey | and by the way. X runs fine. it just terminates because it can't get a de/wm running |
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| 23:38.00 | jedahan | it is so nice that archive.debian.org is still up and working well with debootstrap |
| 23:38.16 | jedahan | let me do something like this: https://github.com/jedahan/palmos |
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| 23:45.23 | zack__ | I am having a weird problem with my mic. I have a dell inspiron laptop. And I have set the alsamixer to default sound control. Alsa will recognize my line in mic but my sound settings wont. |
| 23:45.48 | zack__ | This problem consists on skype |
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| 23:52.29 | duckx0r | is there a specific channel for discussing VPSs? |
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| 23:55.24 | nkuttler | duckx0r: several. any specific provider? |
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| 23:57.08 | duckx0r | nkuttler, I'm using kvm on debian (both host and guest). I'm assuming #kvm right? |
| 23:57.18 | nkuttler | sounds like a pla |
| 23:57.21 | nkuttler | plan |
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| 23:59.34 | paddy1966 | hi |
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