| 00:00.02 | duckx0r | hi |
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| 00:00.56 | JaimeLaSaucisse | Jessie is love, Jessie is our savior |
| 00:01.27 | rainfyre | jessie uses systemd |
| 00:01.33 | duckx0r | what did Jessie save us from? |
| 00:01.38 | rainfyre | heh |
| 00:02.52 | JaimeLaSaucisse | Jessie saved us from Windows 10 |
| 00:03.05 | themill | Perhaps you were looking for #defocus? |
| 00:03.09 | Brain | what about windows 14? |
| 00:04.07 | JaimeLaSaucisse | my boss told us we might gonna switch to Windows 10 asap even if it's beta for the hype, but I told him Jessie was coming next month, and he said fuck it we'll go Debian |
| 00:04.13 | Brain | http://memeblender.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Funny-Memes-Windows-14.jpg |
| 00:04.28 | Tuxi | JaimeLaSaucisse: nice xD |
| 00:04.44 | paddy1966 | beaglebone black C |
| 00:06.20 | acz32 | jessie is coming out next month? says who? |
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| 00:08.58 | TacoGS | acz32: Sounds like people trading futures |
| 00:09.18 | acz32 | interesting. this page says "You are encouraged to switch your sources.list entries from testing to wheezy for the time being if you need security support." am i mistaken or would that cause issues. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/ |
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| 00:10.19 | acz32 | i didn't think you could go backwards and downgrade packages so simply |
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| 00:10.57 | JaimeLaSaucisse | acz32: I can feel it |
| 00:11.01 | JaimeLaSaucisse | it's coming |
| 00:11.21 | TacoGS | Sounds like a porn |
| 00:11.40 | JaimeLaSaucisse | me and Jessie have a close relationship |
| 00:12.02 | acz32 | your boss isn't going to like you next month |
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| 00:12.04 | JaimeLaSaucisse | but I don't watch porn |
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| 01:01.48 | tommis | could anybody have any pointers why my powermac g5 isn't booting debian? |
| 01:01.54 | tommis | give* |
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| 01:11.01 | acz32 | did you download the ppc iso? |
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| 01:13.58 | intelikey | what provides /usr/bin/X ? |
| 01:14.13 | fran | xserver-xorg |
| 01:14.19 | fran | (dpkg -S filename) |
| 01:15.00 | intelikey | fran yeah it's not showing up and /usr/bin/X is absent so i was going to reinstall it |
| 01:16.02 | fran | intelikey: yep... |
| 01:16.20 | intelikey | ah that's what took it out. xserver-xorg-input-evdev <<< |
| 01:16.37 | intelikey | so xserver-xorg requires xserver-xorg-input-evdev hmmmm |
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| 01:20.05 | fran | it's pretty rare one would like x without evdev support, in any case you may override the input driver by manually specifying an inputclass |
| 01:20.45 | duckey | I have tried to google my mic situation but i cannot find one....can I please get some help? |
| 01:21.15 | intelikey | so what is xorg doing now days using drm for ??? what ? |
| 01:21.19 | tommis | acz32: of course |
| 01:21.33 | duckey | And everyone I talk to cant help me......... |
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| 01:21.52 | treund | maybe cause you mic ain't working? |
| 01:22.01 | fran | intelikey: direct rendering manager? for direct access to the video card? |
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| 01:22.16 | treund | test with 'record' from xawtv |
| 01:22.21 | duckey | that is the problem. Now i need to find out why so i can fix it |
| 01:22.37 | intelikey | fran digital rights managment fritz chip or so i thought |
| 01:22.44 | fran | :P |
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| 01:23.48 | duckey | what is xawtv? |
| 01:24.04 | duckey | This is mainly a problem with skype |
| 01:24.39 | fran | duckey: are you using pulseaudio? |
| 01:24.45 | duckey | Yes |
| 01:25.10 | duckey | I have been here all day |
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| 01:25.49 | fran | duckey: so sound in skype works, but not the mic |
| 01:26.11 | duckey | No skype sound wont work |
| 01:26.21 | duckey | but it has in the past |
| 01:26.50 | treund | i'm guessing then that hackers have muted your mixer |
| 01:27.09 | fran | duckey: what number does this return in your computer? ps fax | grep pulseaudio | grep -v grep | wc -l |
| 01:27.25 | duckey | treund, not possible |
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| 01:27.41 | duckey | fran, IDK |
| 01:28.00 | fran | how you don't know? |
| 01:28.01 | duckey | fran, I tried alsamixer |
| 01:28.17 | duckey | fran, How can i check |
| 01:28.27 | fran | by running this: ps fax | grep pulseaudio | grep -v grep | wc -l |
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| 01:28.43 | fran | (this will show if you're actually running pulseaudio) |
| 01:29.33 | treund | fran how about ps fax | grep [p]ulseaudio | wc -l <- little bash trickery |
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| 01:29.53 | duckey | When I go into my sound settings the mic volume Is blocked. Like there is no input hardware |
| 01:30.10 | fran | treund: smart indeed |
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| 01:30.22 | intelikey | that's not bash specific it's just shell |
| 01:30.56 | fran | it has some issues in zsh since on some configurations you'll need to quote the brackets |
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| 01:33.00 | themill | see also: pgrep. |
| 01:33.17 | intelikey | hmmm i'm wondering if this is causing my problems... grep root /etc/passwd |
| 01:33.17 | intelikey | root:x:2000:1000:root:/home/root:/bin/true |
| 01:34.13 | duckey | So have we found a problem? |
| 01:34.24 | duckey | cuz i cant think of one |
| 01:34.36 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: yeah, that's not going to wokr |
| 01:34.42 | dondelelcaro | s/wokr/work/ |
| 01:36.16 | duckey | I tried aptitude install pulseaudio |
| 01:36.51 | intelikey | dondelelcaro wokrz ok for most things here |
| 01:37.08 | intelikey | that's not it. though. |
| 01:38.21 | duckey | So I found the problem |
| 01:38.38 | treund | intelikey: root is 0:0 or did i miss your setup reason? |
| 01:38.41 | intelikey | still getting the "cannot execute binary file" error message for any wm/de i try |
| 01:39.20 | duckey | http://pastebin.com/FnEMcezq |
| 01:39.24 | intelikey | treund yeah i rode the short bus i'm special and i setup a special system to match. |
| 01:39.58 | intelikey | treund and the uid is less agressive than the shell == /bin/true |
| 01:40.13 | treund | just found that short bus entry in intelikey's internet file |
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| 01:40.35 | intelikey | checks message bus |
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| 01:41.08 | duckey | See, everytime I boot up I get an error message saying that my root filesystem has 0 bytes left on it. How can i fix this? |
| 01:41.47 | treund | maybe that is why /dev don't get populated? |
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| 01:42.00 | intelikey | duckey ummm delete /tmp/"something" or sudo apt-get clean maybe |
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| 01:42.44 | intelikey | treund maybe... if it's not in ram "udev" |
| 01:43.21 | duckey | intlikey, neither worked |
| 01:44.48 | treund | duckey: how big is your drive |
| 01:44.58 | duckey | 70.8 gigs |
| 01:45.03 | intelikey | duckey ok... du -sh /* if /home is the largest thing there you can probably start removing unwanted/unneeded files there |
| 01:45.36 | intelikey | wait what is the error message ? |
| 01:45.39 | duckey | I did separate partitions |
| 01:46.05 | duckey | intelinkey, there is 0 bytes left in root filesystem |
| 01:46.11 | fran | duckey: btw, that could also be the cause for your non-sound-in-skype issue |
| 01:46.27 | duckey | fran, thats what i said earlier |
| 01:46.39 | intelikey | duckey check output of df -h / |
| 01:46.39 | duckey | Pastebin and everything |
| 01:47.32 | duckey | dpkg will say my hd is full. I have a screenshot that says otherwise |
| 01:47.32 | dpkg | duckey: okay |
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| 01:48.04 | treund | he says okay nothing about your hd ... |
| 01:48.09 | duckey | dpkg no one talkin to u u bot |
| 01:48.09 | dpkg | duckey: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 01:48.16 | intelikey | dpkg is a bot |
| 01:48.16 | dpkg | i don't know, intelikey |
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| 01:48.24 | duckey | I know |
| 01:48.29 | intelikey | :) |
| 01:48.30 | fran | duckey: run & pastebin: df -h |
| 01:48.31 | duckey | ....nvm |
| 01:48.39 | duckey | fran, ok |
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| 01:50.08 | duckey | fran, http://pastebin.com/Lsr5JCUg |
| 01:50.25 | fran | lol? |
| 01:50.36 | fran | 323MB for /? |
| 01:50.40 | duckey | Idk |
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| 01:50.48 | themill | that's one way of making sure it's full |
| 01:50.59 | duckey | I really should have partitioned diffrently |
| 01:51.06 | themill | or not at all |
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| 01:51.09 | treund | how did it get installed with only 323 |
| 01:51.20 | duckey | It was 70 gigs |
| 01:51.25 | themill | separate /usr helps |
| 01:51.26 | duckey | idk |
| 01:51.29 | fran | duckey: how much space do you have on /boot? run: du -sh /boot |
| 01:51.40 | intelikey | themill indeed |
| 01:51.49 | duckey | 17m |
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| 01:52.14 | fran | and in /root? |
| 01:52.21 | duckey | 0 |
| 01:52.21 | fran | (with su or sudo) |
| 01:52.23 | treund | libreoffice is 272MB itself ;) |
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| 01:52.39 | duckey | 181m |
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| 01:53.28 | duckey | fran 181 in root |
| 01:53.32 | duckey | su |
| 01:53.46 | themill | duckey: you've got so little on that machine atm -- maybe it's easiest to just copy your data off and start again. Path of least resistance. |
| 01:53.54 | fran | yeah |
| 01:54.14 | fran | or at least delete some stuff on /root (to make a little bit of free space) |
| 01:54.22 | duckey | Isnt there a partition tool or something? |
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| 01:54.44 | treund | duckey: don't go inventing software there cowboy |
| 01:54.48 | Xz | hi there, I'm trying to install 'wheezy netinst' on Parallels on Mac |
| 01:54.54 | fran | there is gparted... but make sure you backup |
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| 01:55.06 | Xz | unfortunately installer cannot find the HDD image I plugged to the VM |
| 01:55.19 | Xz | I guess there is some problem with missing driver |
| 01:55.25 | treund | fran ... don't you think he is just kidding us? |
| 01:55.26 | Xz | would you have any clue how to debug that? |
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| 01:55.42 | fran | treund: don't know, maybe I'm naïve |
| 01:55.54 | intelikey | duckey you can't safely resize the root file system of a running system it's like doing major sergery on yourself. |
| 01:56.30 | duckey | Yeah, thats what i thought |
| 01:56.32 | treund | intelikey: we say it is like changing spark plugs on a running engine ;) |
| 01:56.36 | fran | intelikey: specially as he's not using lvm |
| 01:56.53 | intelikey | ten copy that |
| 01:57.29 | duckey | I have all of my files on this pc though |
| 01:57.31 | duckey | wait |
| 01:57.35 | duckey | flash drive |
| 01:57.39 | duckey | but |
| 01:58.10 | intelikey | so i found the failing app it's su that is causing my "cant exec binary file" errors. and that is because of .... i'm working on it.... |
| 01:58.23 | duckey | all of my software. I dont want to have to redo all of my custom browsers and stuff like that |
| 01:59.08 | intelikey | duckey you have that on other partitions. so just resize the root and reinstall |
| 01:59.22 | intelikey | shruggs |
| 01:59.26 | duckey | Wont i loose all of my files? |
| 01:59.27 | Xz | has anybody ever installed debian on Parallels here? |
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| 02:00.20 | fran | duckey: you'll lose all your files in the "/" partition, which in your case does not include /home (or so it seems) |
| 02:00.20 | treund | duckey: just get another drive |
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| 02:00.59 | duckey | treund, I am not rich nor am 18 so I cannot |
| 02:01.17 | tommis | could anybody have any pointers why my powermac g5 isn't booting debian? |
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| 02:01.44 | duckey | tommis, dont use mac hardware? |
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| 02:01.54 | duckey | thats all i got |
| 02:02.18 | tommis | well I like it |
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| 02:02.26 | duckey | fran, Walk me through what im gonna do? |
| 02:02.47 | treund | wonders what 18 has to do with this |
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| 02:03.09 | duckey | tommis, everyone does. You cant use debian then. But if you google it, you willl come up with a few things |
| 02:03.21 | duckey | tommis, At least not windows :) |
| 02:03.30 | fran | duckey: I'd reinstall as your partitioning scheme is really fucked up |
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| 02:03.34 | treund | duckey: you are heading down a bad path - ln something in rootfs to you empty /var partition |
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| 02:04.01 | fran | I'd try with a simpler partitioning scheme, and I'd use lvm btw |
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| 02:04.22 | duckey | Let me see what i can do |
| 02:04.37 | duckey | Fuck.... |
| 02:04.49 | themill | on a drive that size, I'd just be using one big partition |
| 02:05.14 | fran | themill: exactly |
| 02:05.16 | duckey | themill, I was really tired :) |
| 02:05.17 | treund | themill: that ain't professionalism ;) |
| 02:05.33 | themill | treund: nor is a drive that size |
| 02:05.49 | treund | i only have 20GB on this computer |
| 02:06.04 | duckey | Well If im successful, Ill talk to you guys soon. |
| 02:06.20 | treund | and it outperforms a few of the newer windows machines too |
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| 02:07.25 | intelikey | oh yeah they changed su so that you can't execute commands now ? |
| 02:07.28 | intelikey | su guest /bin/sh |
| 02:07.32 | intelikey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.46 | intelikey | isn't that normal now ? |
| 02:07.50 | dvs | intelikey: su gues -c /bin/sh |
| 02:08.26 | intelikey | yeah switch need now.... didn't used to be needed ty. |
| 02:08.35 | fran | intelikey: maybe gues does not have enough permissions to open the dynamic libraries needed by /bin/sh |
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| 02:09.17 | intelikey | fran it's nothing to do with permissions on executing /bin/sh ;/ but yeah anyway thanks. |
| 02:09.41 | intelikey | it s the missing switch in my login script |
| 02:09.53 | intelikey | thanks dvs |
| 02:10.13 | treund | why was duckins /home so big in comparison to / |
| 02:10.31 | dvs | np |
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| 02:11.40 | cafuego | home is always huge compared to / |
| 02:12.35 | themill | even more so if you have a separate /usr and /var |
| 02:12.51 | cafuego | yes, PITA, I stopped doing that |
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| 02:15.16 | treund | cafuego: home should be in / |
| 02:15.42 | treund | you gotta have a separate var so full logs don't crash yer system |
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| 02:17.32 | dvs | treund: if you are running a server. If it's a workstation, then a separate /home partition is ideal. |
| 02:17.53 | themill | Depends on what the machine is for. A lot of this folklore makes more sense on terminal servers with hundreds of users and a box of small disks. |
| 02:18.03 | treund | dvs just the one user on the workstation then? |
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| 02:18.36 | themill | treund: on duckey's machine, that would be a safe assumption |
| 02:20.41 | cafuego | treund: The log server has space for the logs, the production server doesn't need them. |
| 02:21.28 | intelikey | treund home in / ? /me thought /home should be a mountpoint <blinks/> |
| 02:21.49 | cafuego | intelikey: nah, symlink works fine too ;-) |
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| 02:23.30 | intelikey | cafuego of course symlinks work but it might as well point to a mountpoint |
| 02:23.50 | intelikey | point to or point at which ever |
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| 02:34.02 | intelikey | i have a problem with su you can't combine -c and -- so how can you have su execute a command with dash args in it |
| 02:34.41 | treund | quote or escape? |
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| 02:46.15 | intelikey | treund quote or escape < yeah but it's a variable that i'm passing to su so i'll have to rework the script that sets the variable before it passes to the su command why must i make things so dificult ;/ |
| 02:47.01 | treund | makes things fun? |
| 02:47.57 | treund | intelikey: still "$ " ? |
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| 02:50.30 | intelikey | treund "$COMMAND" "$ARGS" so it's gets messy especally when ARGS=" -d $DISPLAY -exec blah" ;/ |
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| 02:55.09 | intelikey | got it. |
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| 02:57.01 | intelikey | it works now. |
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| 02:57.28 | treund | yea the " " really help eh? |
| 02:58.19 | intelikey | i can login as a normal user with or without passwords into xorg on a system with root uid 1000 and nosuid anything they said it couldn['t be done .... :))) |
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| 03:00.18 | intelikey | treund some how seperating the -- and the -c into different variables did help i was just trying to put them both in the COMMAND var but i moved the -c to the actual execution line and BINGO ! |
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| 03:01.41 | treund | intelikey: try also an alias or func |
| 03:01.50 | intelikey | formerly COMMAND="su - $USER_NAME -- -c $ENV_VAR-display" but later COMMAND="su - $USER_NAME --" and the other half in the command itself |
| 03:02.06 | intelikey | that's in a function ^ |
| 03:02.31 | treund | i thought you doing a script .. |
| 03:02.58 | treund | ' a few lines down ' :) |
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| 03:06.17 | kmai | hi folks |
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| 03:07.04 | kmai | quick one: with preseed, I want to set up my wifi dongle.. but the network has a space and just the first word is recognized :( any hints? |
| 03:07.31 | treund | quotes |
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| 03:08.11 | intelikey | only |
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| 03:08.16 | intelikey | one word ? |
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| 03:08.23 | intelikey | "only one word" |
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| 03:08.40 | kmai | for example.. my network is "Fibertel WiFi358" |
| 03:09.00 | kmai | on preseed I have |
| 03:09.15 | kmai | d-i network/ssid string "Fibertel WiFi358" |
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| 03:09.24 | kmai | but the network name set up is "Fibertel |
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| 03:10.16 | intelikey | shell dropping the guotation marking ? '"Fibertel WiFi358"' |
| 03:10.24 | treund | are you losing the " ? try \" \" |
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| 03:11.04 | intelikey | hehe |
| 03:11.07 | intelikey | that too |
| 03:11.20 | intelikey | or escape the space |
| 03:11.23 | treund | you way is nicer looking |
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| 03:11.26 | intelikey | "Fibertel\ WiFi358" |
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| 03:14.37 | kmai | I'll try that |
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| 03:19.53 | kmai | great, will give it a shot |
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| 03:34.29 | sydney_untangle | Testing... |
| 03:34.37 | sydney_untangle | Can you all hear me now? |
| 03:34.45 | dvs | nope |
| 03:35.00 | kmai | try shouting |
| 03:35.14 | sydney_untangle | I was banned all afternoon. |
| 03:35.32 | sydney_untangle | Because of a root mistake in a irssi config file. |
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| 03:41.43 | sydney_untangle | :) |
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| 03:42.22 | dvs | sydney_untangle: using root on a day to day basis is a bad idea. |
| 03:42.42 | AfterDark | Nah I disagree. Root takes you where you want to go. |
| 03:42.55 | sydney_untangle | I wasnt using it on a day to day basis. |
| 03:43.20 | sydney_untangle | I was trying to get screen and irssi to start on my untangle server automatically. |
| 03:43.41 | sydney_untangle | debian wheezy... |
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| 03:49.24 | trysten | i'm having trouble getting ntfs-3g to work as user. do i have to compile it myself? |
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| 03:51.04 | kWO901 | I dont have internet in my virtual machine(mint) with debian host. using vmeare. any clue? |
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| 03:54.48 | kmai | what interface are you using? nat? bridged? |
| 03:54.59 | kmai | did you check if the bridge is properly set up to the active interface on the host? |
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| 03:58.42 | kWO901 | kmai: its NAT and worked fine but i dont know why it doesnt work no more |
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| 04:07.48 | kmai | did you reboot? |
| 04:07.56 | kmai | what's the adapter status on the host? (link) |
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| 04:08.27 | shellox_ | can anyone reach Ftp.tw.debian.org ? |
| 04:08.30 | shellox_ | seemsdown for me |
| 04:08.30 | kWO901 | kmai: ill just connect an usb wifi to it |
| 04:08.36 | kWO901 | but thanks anyway ! |
| 04:08.43 | varun_ | kWO901, have you crosschecked that the network interface that the guest is bridged to exists (in host) in the first place? In my case (Ubuntu by the way, not Debian), the default interface it wants to bridge to is vmnet0, while the interface that currently exists is /dev/vmnet8 (don't know when I messed up, but this is the case with me). |
| 04:09.06 | shellox_ | returns "110: Connection timed out" |
| 04:09.06 | kWO901 | humm |
| 04:09.32 | kWO901 | varun_: it worked fine before |
| 04:09.51 | kWO901 | i just used openvpn and it stilll woreked fine |
| 04:10.22 | kWO901 | but somehow now it doesnt work, rebooted , powered off... nothing works |
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| 04:12.25 | varun_ | kWO901, working of openvpn suggests things are fine at the VM and VM configuration level. So my guess is that it is something simple related to internal configuration of the guest OS. Are you trying to use VPN and Internet at the same time? I have seen routing problems in such cases. (output of 'route -n' should show if a problem is there) |
| 04:13.04 | kWO901 | varun_: yes |
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| 04:15.48 | grazfather | Hey guys... i need to cross combile for armv4. What is the debian package name? arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi won't work |
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| 04:19.16 | varun_ | kWO901, if your 'Yes' means using VPN and Internet at the same time, I think you should show us the output of 'route -n' (pastebin link). Feel free to (slightly) change the IPs if you are concerned about IP security, but don't change the subnet in your paste. |
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| 04:23.55 | kWO901 | varun_: http://paste.debian.net/146849/ |
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| 04:27.08 | varun_ | kWO901, is 172.16.100.2 your gateway (in Mint guest)? Can you ping it? The routing table doesn't look like having any routes to the VPN currently. |
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| 04:37.08 | kWO901 | varun_: |
| 04:37.15 | kWO901 | sorry got disconnected |
| 04:37.59 | varun_ | kWO901, in case you couldn't get my last msg, here's its repaste : is 172.16.100.2 your gateway (in Mint guest)? Can you ping it? The routing table doesn't look like having any routes to the VPN currently. |
| 04:38.36 | kWO901 | varun_: ping 172.16.100.2 from the guest? |
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| 04:39.45 | rue_more | I'm trying to put a custom program into the init startup list, and its not working |
| 04:39.49 | rue_more | its self-daemonizing |
| 04:39.54 | varun_ | kWO901, yes, assuming the paste of 'route -n' you showed us was also from the guest. |
| 04:40.03 | rue_more | any ideas would be a good start |
| 04:40.11 | rue_more | its in runlevel 2 |
| 04:40.25 | rue_more | its linked the permissions flags seem right |
| 04:41.26 | rue_more | its like init it skipping it for soem reason |
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| 04:43.58 | rue_more | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Feb 12 20:31 S05gbsplayer -> ../init.d/gbsplayer |
| 04:43.58 | rue_more | root@siren:/etc/rc2.d# |
| 04:44.14 | rue_more | so, its linked there |
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| 04:44.35 | rue_more | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 542 Feb 12 20:26 gbsplayer |
| 04:44.39 | rue_more | that seems fine |
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| 04:45.29 | rue_more | http://paste.debian.net/146855/ |
| 04:45.36 | rue_more | dont see any problems there |
| 04:45.54 | kWO901 | im back |
| 04:46.00 | rue_more | -rwxr-xr-x 1 chime chime 12045 Feb 12 20:11 /home/chime/gbsplayer |
| 04:46.04 | rue_more | that seems ok |
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| 04:46.17 | rue_more | so I dont get it, and if I run the init script manually, everything works fine |
| 04:46.24 | kWO901 | varun_: did u type anyting while i was disconnected? |
| 04:46.58 | rue_more | so where is the init black magic? |
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| 04:47.25 | varun_ | kWO901, "yes, assuming the paste of 'route -n' you showed us was also from the guest." :) |
| 04:47.51 | varun_ | that was reply to your ping question kWO901 |
| 04:49.57 | kWO901 | varun_: yes the paste was from the guest and yes ping worked. |
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| 04:50.57 | rue_more | I put an echo to a log file in the init script, its just not running it |
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| 04:51.09 | kWO901_ | varun_: yes the paste was from the guest and yes ping worked. |
| 04:51.18 | rue_more | it should run /etc/rc2.d going into runlevel 2 yes? |
| 04:51.34 | zh1 | to change dns what file should i use? |
| 04:51.50 | varun_ | kWO901, please also show us the output of - 'nm-tool' then, assuming you are using NetworkManager in Mint. Appears to be a simple DNS issue now. |
| 04:53.18 | kWO901_ | varun_: http://paste.debian.net/146856/ |
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| 04:53.36 | rue_more | anyone know why init would skip over entries in rc2.d? |
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| 04:54.45 | varun_ | zh1, depends on what you are using to control the network interface. Network Manager uses dnsmasq, while traditional methods use '/etc/resolv.conf' file. |
| 04:56.44 | varun_ | kWO901_, last check in the guest - can you also ping '8.8.8.8' ? |
| 04:56.47 | rue_more | maybe if I put it right in inttab it'll start it |
| 04:57.44 | rue_more | that worked, huh |
| 04:58.03 | zh1 | varun_, im using xfce network manager |
| 04:59.27 | kWO901_ | varun_: yes |
| 04:59.32 | kWO901_ | worked |
| 05:00.22 | varun_ | zh1, does 'cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head' return anything or a 'file does not exist' error? |
| 05:01.13 | zh1 | varun_, error |
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| 05:03.24 | varun_ | kWO901_, then in Network Manager, use 'Automatic (address only)' mode under 'IPv4', this will enable you to choose your own DNS servers. Enter '8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4' in the "DNS Servers" field > Save > Close > reconnect and see if you can browse the net now. |
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| 05:04.02 | varun_ | zh1, please show us the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf file. |
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| 05:06.39 | zh1 | varun_, https://pastee.org/zuen5 |
| 05:07.43 | kWO901_ | varun_: i did. not working. should i reboot? |
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| 05:21.48 | varun_ | zh1, sorry, got disconnected. |
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| 05:23.29 | shay_shay | i forgive you |
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| 05:25.18 | alitux | close |
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| 05:33.46 | varun_ | hmm.. back again (hopefully), if my awesome ISP doesn't crap out again (Airtel India, no signal in the heart of city :/ ) |
| 05:34.56 | kmai | could be worst, you could live in Argentina like me :) |
| 05:35.07 | varun_ | zh1, did you get further help from someone? If not, you should change the DNS in your network manager's GUI as it is the one controlling your /etc/resolv.conf file. |
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| 05:35.40 | zh1 | varun_, ok |
| 05:35.43 | varun_ | kmai, yeah, I guess there is always something to console ourselves. :p |
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| 05:38.38 | varun_ | kWO901, did you get anywhere while I was enjoying my (ISPs) break? |
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| 05:40.06 | kWO901 | varun_: no |
| 05:40.07 | kWO901 | :/ |
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| 05:40.59 | varun_ | Wow, too many 'ping timeout' messages on xchat. Guess I'm not alone in the "ISP mania" fever. :p |
| 05:41.53 | varun_ | kWO901, after saving the DNS in Network Manager GUI, it should get reflected in the output of 'nm-too' after a disconnect -> reconnect cycle. No reboot is required. |
| 05:41.56 | kWO901 | it was me. got angry and started ddosing |
| 05:42.24 | varun_ | kWO901, ok, we got the warning :D |
| 05:42.43 | kWO901 | :D |
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| 05:46.27 | rue_more | does init have a secret list of rc.d files it executes on startup? |
| 05:46.37 | rue_more | should it not just be usinga directory listing? |
| 05:46.57 | rue_more | anyone know why init will not run my rc2.d script? |
| 05:49.09 | rue_more | OOOOOh I think I found a debian bug |
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| 05:50.12 | rue_more | er, no |
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| 05:51.45 | kWO901 | varun_: http://paste.debian.net/146892/ |
| 05:51.49 | kWO901 | did u see it? |
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| 05:58.36 | rue_more | does anyone know why init wont run my script in rc2.d |
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| 05:59.10 | rue_more | I have an echo command as like the first thing, so its not even trying to run it |
| 05:59.36 | kmai | try running it using a period before it |
| 05:59.40 | kmai | for example |
| 05:59.48 | kmai | # . script.sh |
| 05:59.49 | rue_more | I'm trying to reverse engineer /etc/init.d/rc but its really convoluded |
| 06:00.00 | rue_more | I can run it manyually fine |
| 06:00.12 | rue_more | init wont run it |
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| 06:00.27 | kmai | how did you write the init script? |
| 06:00.31 | rue_more | I'v mde /etc/rc2.d/S05gbsplayer |
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| 06:00.54 | rue_more | http://paste.debian.net/146855/ |
| 06:00.58 | rue_more | I modified an existing one |
| 06:01.29 | rue_more | I put an echo before the do_start and its not happeneing |
| 06:01.36 | rue_more | it echo's to a log file |
| 06:01.37 | rue_more | I'll update |
| 06:02.07 | rue_more | http://paste.debian.net/146893/ |
| 06:02.16 | kmai | permissions on /home/chime/gbsplayer ? |
| 06:02.22 | rue_more | the echo isnt' even happening |
| 06:02.34 | rue_more | the echo in the init script isn't even being done |
| 06:02.56 | rue_more | -rwxr-xr-x 1 chime chime 12045 Feb 12 20:11 /home/chime/gbsplayer |
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| 06:03.28 | kmai | what about sh? is it on /bin/sh ? |
| 06:03.37 | rue_more | init just isn't running it |
| 06:03.39 | rue_more | I'll check.. |
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| 06:04.21 | rue_more | root@siren:/etc/init.d# ls -l /bin/sh |
| 06:04.21 | rue_more | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 1 2012 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 06:04.21 | rue_more | root@siren:/etc/init.d# ls -l /bin/dash |
| 06:04.21 | rue_more | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 97284 Mar 1 2012 /bin/dash |
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| 06:04.35 | rue_more | ok, limit under 4 lines |
| 06:04.49 | kmai | it'd be easier to put the script on /etc/init.d/ and then do update-rc.d |
| 06:05.02 | kmai | as in https://www.debian-administration.org/article/28/Making_scripts_run_at_boot_time_with_Debian |
| 06:05.06 | rue_more | the script works fine if I manually run it |
| 06:05.12 | rue_more | but init isn't running it |
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| 06:05.26 | rue_more | I cant for the life of me understand why not |
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| 06:05.44 | kmai | try moving the script to /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:06.04 | kmai | then do a # update-rc.d gbsplayer defaults |
| 06:06.07 | rue_more | it is in there, the rc2.d was just a link |
| 06:06.32 | kmai | I think you still need to run update-rc.d |
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| 06:08.04 | rue_more | I did, I'm rying t reboopt now |
| 06:08.11 | kmai | wait |
| 06:08.20 | rue_more | too late, its rebooting |
| 06:08.22 | kmai | okay |
| 06:08.40 | rue_more | itys an appliance, this is driving me nuts |
| 06:08.50 | kmai | update-rc.d won't create the link if it's already on the /etc/rc2.d/ dir |
| 06:08.54 | rue_more | so its grubs 5 sec timeout |
| 06:08.59 | kmai | htpc? |
| 06:09.01 | rue_more | I deleted it first |
| 06:09.04 | kmai | okay, great |
| 06:09.27 | rue_more | !? its running |
| 06:09.35 | kmai | is it? |
| 06:09.45 | rue_more | yea, I dont get it |
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| 06:09.53 | kmai | lol |
| 06:10.04 | rue_more | rc is an evil script |
| 06:10.20 | rue_more | ok, :) thanks |
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| 06:11.08 | kmai | sure it is |
| 06:11.22 | kmai | imagine that init and rc have been around for at least 30 years.. but hey, it works! |
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| 06:12.41 | rue_more | back 16 or so years ago, you added a file to rcX.d and it just did it |
| 06:12.53 | rue_more | its pickey about soemthing now, no idea what |
| 06:13.25 | rue_more | well my program isn't working that the script starts, but thats my problem |
| 06:13.57 | rue_more | its pulling 99% cpu, so I'm sure its got a gripe about soemthing |
| 06:14.10 | rue_more | that can be a chapter for tommorow |
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| 06:14.29 | rue_more | thanks again |
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| 08:48.17 | darxmurf | hi |
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| 08:58.25 | popli | i have installed wordpress and it automatically create the /var/www/wordpress directory |
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| 08:59.00 | popli | i have uninstalled wordpress and manually delete the /var/www/wordpress |
| 08:59.30 | popli | now i am reinstalling wordpress but the /var/www/wordpress are not automatically created .. What can i do ? |
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| 09:02.55 | ThKo | popli: Create the folder by FTP? |
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| 09:03.32 | popli | ThKo:even do so. directory will not contain the wordpress files |
| 09:04.22 | ThKo | How do you install Wordpress? Uploading ZIP / TAR file by FTP and run yourdomain.com for installing wp? |
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| 09:13.13 | nkuttler | popli: sounds like you used some distro packages? |
| 09:13.33 | darxmurf | popli how did you delete your wordpress ? |
| 09:13.43 | darxmurf | apt-get autoremove --purge wordpress |
| 09:14.33 | darxmurf | and honestly I think it's better for you to download the latest version tar.gz from wordpress website.. . |
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| 09:31.29 | mojzesz | hi all |
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| 09:32.08 | mojzesz | i have problem with debian |
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| 09:33.50 | mojzesz | when i installed debian i set user name and password password for root and when i try use : su in console i see authentication error and everything i done good |
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| 09:34.50 | lrvick | why does debian create files with a - suffix? |
| 09:35.01 | lrvick | like shadow- vs shadow |
| 09:35.10 | lrvick | can i safely delete these? |
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| 09:37.30 | petn-randall | lrvick: I think they're backups. And I'd just leave them there. |
| 09:37.52 | lrvick | ok well, i'll assumeits safe to exclude them from etckeeper then |
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| 09:39.19 | francesco_ | Hi. II don't know if this is the proper channel to ask. 'm experiencing a problem with the program "Octave". I have an old computer (AMD Athlon 2000+). A similar problem was encountered in the past, and was solved substituting the °libatlas3gf-base° with the package "libatlas3gf-sse", but this latter package is not available with the Wheezy distribution. Any idea if it was included in another modern package? |
| 09:40.03 | petn-randall | lrvick: It's only a few dozen bytes, there's little you'll save from doing so. |
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| 09:52.44 | g_zoechi | Hi, I have a weird problem, maybe someone can give some hints how to narrow it down |
| 09:53.04 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: Have you seen a doctor? |
| 09:53.12 | g_zoechi | :P |
| 09:53.17 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 09:53.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:53.22 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: IRC etiquette... dont' ask to ask, just ask |
| 09:53.36 | Twinkletoes | smiles at petn-randall |
| 09:53.53 | g_zoechi | I was trying to but I don't know how to add a newline without sending the message :-/ |
| 09:54.10 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 09:54.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:54.15 | g_zoechi | I try to get some specific information from ps but every attempt results in "error: conflicting format options" |
| 09:54.33 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: exactly what options are you using? |
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| 09:55.10 | g_zoechi | I tried this example from "man ps 1": ps -eo pid,tid,class,rtprio,ni,pri,psr,pcpu,stat,wchan:14,comm |
| 09:55.27 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: Crikey! What is it that you want to find? |
| 09:55.59 | lrvick | petn-randall: I actually want to .gitignore all sensative files from etckeeper |
| 09:56.06 | lrvick | as the repo is public so |
| 09:56.07 | g_zoechi | Twinkletoes: Actually I try to get the process group |
| 09:56.33 | Twinkletoes | petn-randall: That exact example works for me |
| 09:56.48 | g_zoechi | Linux znote_linux.zburbach.local 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:56.50 | Twinkletoes | oops |
| 09:56.57 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: That exact example works for me |
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| 09:57.12 | impromptu | is Debian 8 out ? |
| 09:58.01 | petn-randall | !tell impromptu about wwjr |
| 09:58.03 | Twinkletoes | impromptu: https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 09:58.16 | impromptu | Twinkletoes, releases ? |
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| 09:58.50 | Twinkletoes | impromptu: "The next release of Debian is codenamed "jessie" â no release date has been set " |
| 09:59.08 | petn-randall | lrvick: Eh, any reasons you want to make your /etc public? |
| 09:59.09 | g_zoechi | dpkg: Thanks for the hint. Still looking for a sane IRC client. Currently using KVIrc which is nice overall but makes it hard to write messages > 100 chars :-( |
| 09:59.09 | dpkg | g_zoechi: sure thing |
| 09:59.27 | petn-randall | g_zoechi: dpkg is a bot |
| 09:59.38 | impromptu | ok |
| 09:59.39 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 09:59.40 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 09:59.41 | lrvick | petn-randall: community managed shell servers. Instead of handing out root, people can request changes to our servers via pull requests on github |
| 09:59.41 | impromptu | Twinkletoes, thanks |
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| 09:59.48 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: For an IRC client, try ChatZilla - you can either run it as a plugin in Firefox or standalone as it uses the xulrunner platform |
| 09:59.58 | g_zoechi | petn-randall: Ok, can't hide it that I'm new to IRC :D |
| 10:00.08 | lrvick | petn-randall: we are a bit insane so, atypical use case |
| 10:00.11 | epsilon | jesssie will be out in summer definitly. The year is still subject of discussion |
| 10:00.13 | petn-randall | g_zoechi: No problem, we all started out like that. |
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| 10:00.25 | g_zoechi | Twinkletoes: Thanks, I'll try. |
| 10:00.53 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: As for your ps command... start off with the most minimal options, and build it up - try and see where the command fails |
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| 10:02.57 | g_zoechi | Twinkletoes: I tried several examples (also very simple ones) from stackoverflow, ubuntuforums, ... none of them worked. |
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| 10:03.25 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: and /ps/ on its own? |
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| 10:05.13 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: Do you have any aliases for 'ps' ? |
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| 10:05.36 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: just type: alias |
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| 10:06.06 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: And the result of: whereis ps ? |
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| 10:07.47 | g_zoechi | Twinkletoes: alias contains "alias ps='ps aux'" and whereis returns "whereis ps ps: /bin/ps /usr/share/man/man1/ps.1.gz " |
| 10:08.02 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: THaty's your problem - you've already got an alias on ps |
| 10:08.07 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: Did you set that up? |
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| 10:08.45 | g_zoechi | Twinkletoes: Yup, but forgot about it. I'll remove and try again. Thanks a lot. |
| 10:09.00 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: That definition might be in one of your shell runtime configs |
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| 10:09.24 | g_zoechi | Twinkletoes: Yup, I'll remove it. |
| 10:09.32 | Twinkletoes | smiles happily |
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| 10:10.52 | pokiwo | hello everyone, when you have to copy-paste a text with hyperlinks in it, that is, you want that these links would be preserved in the pasted text, (how) can you do it with shortcuts? with (ctrl+c and ctrl+v) you dont get the links but just the text pasted. Is there a key combination that retains the links in the text while copy-pasting? |
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| 10:12.22 | petemc | pokiwo: you just copy text, its what you paste it into tha decides if it is clickable |
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| 10:13.11 | pokiwo | petemc, oh, so it is the destination environment that can or cannot detect the link? |
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| 10:13.29 | petemc | yup |
| 10:14.14 | pokiwo | I see why on some websites it works and in others not |
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| 10:17.19 | popli | i installed using apt-get |
| 10:17.28 | popli | and remove it using apt-get remove |
| 10:17.35 | popli | then rm /var/www/wordpress |
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| 10:18.20 | Twinkletoes | pokiwo: If you type what looks like a url (a valid one though) into Google Docs... it will appear as jsut text until you finish the 'word' with either a space or a new line, then you'll see it create a link automatically gmail works the same way |
| 10:18.42 | g_zoechi | Twinkletoes: Thanks a lot! Removing the alias fixed it. |
| 10:18.43 | Twinkletoes | pokiwo: but if you UNDO just after the link is created, it only removes the clickable link and leaves all the text there |
| 10:18.49 | Twinkletoes | g_zoechi: Cracking :) |
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| 10:21.37 | pokiwo | Twinkletoes, this is about a text meant to be shared by people. yet I dont know how clickable social nets are, or in other case, how admissive they are of pasting code. |
| 10:21.55 | popli | how can i install a package on my system just like it was the first time i have installed it ? |
| 10:22.06 | pokiwo | sometimes the code appears just as code, too, without being transformed, I guess |
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| 10:23.14 | SynrGy | popli: purge it and then reinstall it. however, if you ran it and made local changes in your home dir those will not be removed by a purge. |
| 10:23.22 | SynrGy | popli: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 10:23.49 | popli | i had installed wordpress using apt-get |
| 10:24.06 | popli | then remove it and manually remove /var/www/wordpress |
| 10:24.26 | popli | now when i installing it again. it does not create the /var/www/wordpress |
| 10:24.45 | SynrGy | that's not the correct location for the site |
| 10:24.53 | SynrGy | it may have been in a previous version of wordpress |
| 10:24.58 | SynrGy | when did you first install wordpress? |
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| 10:25.23 | popli | what is the correct location ? |
| 10:25.55 | SynrGy | the documentation with wordpress should have something about it |
| 10:26.06 | SynrGy | since i'm using the upstream package and not debian's, i couldn't say |
| 10:26.08 | popli | now it is installed in /usr/share/wordpress |
| 10:26.30 | SynrGy | that's only the read-only part of it |
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| 10:26.46 | popli | for ex. in gentoo we have webapp-config to put web apps in place |
| 10:26.51 | SynrGy | the read/write part must be installed somewhere. i'm pretty sure /var/www is wrong for it, but consult the doc with the package instead |
| 10:26.54 | SynrGy | as i may be wrong about this |
| 10:27.42 | SynrGy | i have no wheezy system to consult presently. are you on wheezy? |
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| 10:29.42 | korhojoa | hey guys |
| 10:29.57 | korhojoa | what would you use to scroll some text on a screen? |
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| 10:30.31 | korhojoa | i'm thinking of slapping up a display that you can feed some text to, and make it scroll the text along the screen. vertical or horizontal scrolling, both are fine. |
| 10:30.51 | SynrGy | popli: it may actually still be /var/www/wordpress, but you need to run wp-setup first ... |
| 10:31.15 | korhojoa | i'm doing it with a beagleboard, i've tried using midori and a webpage, but it's not that fast or smooth |
| 10:31.20 | SynrGy | but as i said, please read the doc in the package to be certain |
| 10:31.22 | Nyctophilia | hello there |
| 10:32.02 | popli | SynrG: it exist because i cp /user/share/wordpress /var/www/wordpress -r |
| 10:32.31 | SynrGy | popli: that doesn't sound like the correct procedure for setup |
| 10:32.44 | SynrGy | popli: how did you arrive at that command? |
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| 10:33.19 | popli | i arrive at that command as i didnt have wordpress dir on my webserver root |
| 10:33.34 | SynrGy | https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress#Create_a_site |
| 10:33.39 | Nyctophilia | I have a problem with my NAS. When I reboot over GUI/CLI, the NAS will get stuck most of the time (after the reboot), when GRUB should show up and pick the default kernel. The only thing I get is the somewhat known flashing cursor and nothing else. Sometimes I also get a dark screen without output to the monitor, directly after it halted the server and stopped all services - no HDD activity |
| 10:33.39 | Nyctophilia | (only spinning) and the server LED wont turn off and it doesnt react anymore (directly after shutting down everything). It just won't do anything, no activity on the drives. In this case, I have to hard reset the server. Sometimes the reboots work fine multiple times in a row. Shutdown + WoL works fine every time. |
| 10:33.50 | Nyctophilia | os is debian 7.8 64bit |
| 10:33.55 | SynrGy | popli: according to the wiki, the content belongs in /var/lib/wordpress |
| 10:33.59 | Nyctophilia | openmediavault installed as package |
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| 10:34.20 | Nyctophilia | Hardware: ASRock Q1900-ITX | 1x4GB Corsair Vengeance SODIMM DDR3 | 1xWD Red 3TB | 1xApacer 1,8" SATA1 SSD 32GB as system drive | be quiet! Pure Power L8 350W |
| 10:34.27 | SynrGy | popli: but again, take the documentation in the wordpress package (see /usr/share/doc/wordpress) as authoritative. |
| 10:34.39 | SynrGy | popli: wikis are useful, but non-authoritative. |
| 10:34.51 | Nyctophilia | motherboard has the most recent uefi |
| 10:34.53 | Nyctophilia | ssd also |
| 10:35.03 | Nyctophilia | this also happens with hdds as system drive |
| 10:35.05 | Nyctophilia | tested that |
| 10:35.10 | Nyctophilia | so its not the ssd |
| 10:35.20 | Nyctophilia | other Linux distris work fine |
| 10:35.24 | Nyctophilia | ubuntu for example |
| 10:35.31 | Nyctophilia | no problems when rebooting |
| 10:36.01 | popli | SynrGy: ok thank you. I just find debian little messy for things like that |
| 10:36.50 | Nyctophilia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.36 | Nyctophilia | oh its 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 now |
| 10:37.39 | SynrGy | popli: the problem i see with '/var/www' is it is not FHS. but in debian policy a specific exception is granted in section 9.1.1 |
| 10:37.57 | Nyctophilia | also happens with the 3.2 kernel |
| 10:37.59 | SynrGy | popli: exception 10: The `/var/www' directory is additionally allowed. |
| 10:38.37 | SynrGy | popli: on the other hand, /var/lib is FHS, so that is probably why the wiki (and maybe the package doc? as i said, i cannot easily check.) puts it there |
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| 10:38.57 | SynrGy | !fhs |
| 10:38.57 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
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| 10:43.45 | popli | SynrGy:thank you very much |
| 10:45.50 | SynrGy | popli: see also 11.5 in debian-policy, point 4. Web Document Root |
| 10:46.25 | SynrGy | popli: this explicitly forbids paths like '/var/www/wordpress' |
| 10:46.39 | SynrGy | of course as a sys admin you can do whatever the hell you want :) |
| 10:46.44 | SynrGy | but no package is allowed to use that path |
| 10:47.19 | popli | SynrGy: something last. Do you suggest any vps provider with good upload links ? |
| 10:47.35 | SynrGy | no idea. i'm not a vps user and have never evaluated vps solutions. |
| 10:47.48 | SynrGy | !vps |
| 10:47.48 | dpkg | hmm... vps is Virtual Private Server (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server), or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting#Virtual_Dedicated_Server |
| 10:47.54 | SynrGy | the second link may be useful |
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| 10:48.25 | SynrGy | i self-host at home |
| 10:49.05 | popli | probably you have good connection |
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| 10:49.34 | popli | with max 4mbps upload i cant do much |
| 10:49.55 | SynrGy | ah. sucks to be you :( |
| 10:50.22 | popli | what connection do you have ? |
| 10:50.28 | anonnumberanon | I just had tracker-miner-fs start taking more than 100% of my ram and half of my very large swap memory on the HDD, why does this happen? |
| 10:50.28 | SynrGy | on the flip side, my connection is not really much better. it depends on what you want to do with it. |
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| 10:51.16 | anonnumberanon | But I stopped it with kill. |
| 10:51.49 | anonnumberanon | Swap is still being used a huge chunk though, isn't it supposed to be used only for when you suspend the computer? |
| 10:52.11 | francesco__ | Hello, I'm experiencing a problem with a program. Since the problem is attributed to my old hardware, I was suggested to recompile a certain library, and install it again with the dpkg command. My question is: how do I unistall it, if necessary? will APT recognize the different package? what happens if I "apt-get upgrade"? will APT substitute the library with the old one? Thank you in advance. |
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| 10:52.58 | Vroomfondel | francesco__: if you install it using dpkg, you can remove it using 'dpkg -r' |
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| 10:53.43 | francesco__ | Vroomfondel, what happens if I use "apt-get upgrade"? Will APT substitute the library with the one available in the repositories? |
| 10:53.53 | vamps | hi |
| 10:54.23 | Vroomfondel | francesco__: only if the one in the repositories is newer, I think |
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| 10:55.00 | Vroomfondel | francesco__: which library is it? |
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| 10:55.40 | francesco__ | Vroomfondel, well, it's not a question of "new" and "old". It seems that the "libatlas3-base" package was, originally, compiled to be executed on CPUs with SSE2 capabilities. I was suggested to recompile it, and install it again. |
| 10:56.31 | francesco__ | Mine is an "AMD Athlon 2000+" CPU. :) |
| 10:56.44 | vamps | I'm using debian testing on my laptop with an intel graphic card, I've completely lost my HDMI port after an upgrade (not even shown as "HDMI disconnected"). I tried to use the other kernel but I've got the same issue |
| 10:57.10 | vamps | if someone have an idea... |
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| 10:57.14 | tremon | francesco__: if your local compile has the same version as what's available in the repository, then apt-get will overwrite your local version as soon as the version in the repositories is updated |
| 10:57.25 | petn-randall | !tell vamps about debian-next |
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| 10:58.25 | vamps | ho, ok thanks |
| 10:58.55 | francesco__ | tremon, yes. I was thinking about it. Then, I only need to recompile it again, as soon as a new version of the library is available. So, "dpkg" integrates with "apt-get". What if it doesn't work? Should I just "dpgk -r libaltas3-base", and I will automaticall get the old version of ATLAS? |
| 10:58.56 | tremon | francesco__: you can solve this by pinning your local version at priority 1, which implies "don't auto-upgrade". see man apt_preferences for the details |
| 10:59.46 | tremon | francesco__: dpkg -r will only remove packages, not revert them. Keep your local .deb, so you can reinstall that .deb if you need to |
| 11:00.45 | tremon | I'd say it's the other way around; apt-get defers to dpkg for the local package management, so apt-get integrates with dpkg |
| 11:01.12 | francesco__ | tremon, if the old version of "libatlas3-base" was not the cause of the problem, I could revert to the old version. Can I do that with "apt-get remove libaltas3-base", and then "apt-get install libaltas3-base"? |
| 11:02.04 | tremon | francesco__: that sequence of commands will install the latest version of libaltas3-base available in the repositories, not any previous versions |
| 11:02.35 | tremon | you can use snapshot.debian.org to retrieve old versions of packages |
| 11:02.52 | francesco__ | tremon, yes. I was thinking in terms of "new" and "old" meaning "modified by me", and "available in the repositories". |
| 11:03.19 | tremon | apt-get will always pull packages from repositories, never use local ones |
| 11:03.20 | francesco__ | Well, not really "modified by me", but "compiled by me". |
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| 11:04.15 | tremon | to be clear, I'm using "package from repository" to refer to any official debian package, and "local package" to refer to packages that you modified/compiled yourself |
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| 11:07.03 | tremon | francesco__: am I still making sense? |
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| 11:07.25 | francesco__ | tremon, yes. I think I understand. So, if I understand correctly, the version of the package is written in the ".deb" file. And, if a most recent one is available in the reps, if I don't modifiy the apt preferences, apt-get will automatically install the new one. |
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| 11:08.25 | tremon | yes, exactly |
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| 11:09.16 | francesco__ | I wish there was another way to solve the problem, without compiling the package by myself. The point is that I'm not sure if this is the cause of the problem, or if "libatlas3-base" is the right package to recompile. :) |
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| 11:09.48 | francesco__ | But I can't even calculate the inverse of a matrix, and I don't want to buy a new computer, at the present moment. :) |
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| 11:10.46 | tremon | well, if your locally compiled version works but the version from Debian doesn't, then it's safe to say that the bug is indeed in that package |
| 11:11.16 | francesco__ | tremon, I should do make several attempts, though. :) |
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| 11:11.41 | tremon | I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is actually a bug. Debian packages should still run on such machines, and have a graceful fallback if certain processor features are not available |
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| 11:13.11 | francesco__ | tremon, well. I'm not sure. It should be a bug. I attended another channel, and they suggested me to do so. I don't know if there is any other channel. In past, people solved the same problem installing the old package "libatlas3gf-sse", but this package is not available with the "Wheezy" distro. |
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| 11:15.23 | francesco__ | Actually, right now, I'm trying to follow the procedure explained in the /usr/share/doc/libaltas3-base/README.debian file, the one involving "fakeroot debian/rules custom". |
| 11:16.51 | tremon | hmm... according to p.d.o, "The libraries in this package are built without any processor extension instructions, and should run on all processors of this general architecture". So if you're really running the wheezy version (3.8.4-9), I think you should file a bug |
| 11:17.27 | tremon | see https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libatlas3-base |
| 11:17.37 | francesco__ | tremon, what if it's not a bug. I'm pretty "stupid", you know. :) |
| 11:18.10 | francesco__ | And, I'm afraid that they simply gave up in maintaining the software for old hardware. :( |
| 11:18.24 | tremon | then it's a bug in their package description nonetheless :) |
| 11:18.49 | tremon | if you're unsure, ask on their mailinglist first: debian-science-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org |
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| 11:19.27 | francesco__ | tremon, in the other channel, they explicitely asked me to recompile the package. (I can't name the channel me, otherwise I would be considered a spammer.) |
| 11:20.14 | tremon | well if the other channel wasn't #debian-science on irc.oftc.net, there's still one other channel for you to ask |
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| 11:20.44 | francesco__ | Yeah? Not on freenode? tremon? |
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| 11:21.32 | tremon | nope, the official debian channels are all on oftc (it's what irc.debian.org points to) |
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| 11:22.13 | tremon | (except for #debian here, this seems to be the primary stable support channel) |
| 11:22.34 | francesco__ | tremon, ah. I thought that "freenode" was the most important channel for any "techincal" issue. You never stop learning. :) |
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| 11:25.19 | francesco__ | tremon, I'm trying so. Let's wait and pray. :) |
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| 11:28.36 | francesco__ | tremon, in the mean while, I recompiled the source code, but I didn't get any ".deb" file. Only a ".gz", a ".dsc", and a ".bz2" file. |
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| 11:29.47 | planetmaker | francesco_, a .deb is no normal output of a compilation. It needs to run the package builder for that. Or maybe a special make target |
| 11:29.52 | planetmaker | there's no universal way |
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| 11:30.34 | francesco__ | planetmaker, it seems that I have to install the "fakeroot" command first. |
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| 11:34.23 | tremon | francesco__: debian packages can usually be built with dpkg-buildpackage, which does produce a .deb. I'm not well-acquainted with the process though |
| 11:34.54 | tremon | I do know that dpkg-buildpackage generates its .debs in ../ though (very helpful :) |
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| 11:42.49 | NotLarry | I'm trying out awbian (awesome wm over debian) and it autologins to the default account. Where do I find this so I can turn off autologin? |
| 11:43.40 | nkuttler | !based on debian |
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| 11:44.05 | francesco__ | tremon, still nothing. I'm having problems in getting the ".deb" file. :) This is diffucult. Let me see if in the #debian-science channel I get something. :) |
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| 11:46.05 | NotLarry | dpkg: Was that for me? |
| 11:46.06 | dpkg | NotLarry: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 11:47.23 | tremon | NotLarry: it was. We don't know what display manager awbian is shipping with (and dpkg is a bot) |
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| 11:48.25 | makkan_lappy586 | NotLarry: do you know if awbian uses a display manager? |
| 11:48.30 | NotLarry | nkuttler: thanks, tremon: thanks. was looking for a lightweight stable os to try out awesome on, this seemd quick. |
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| 11:48.56 | NotLarry | awesome is the windows manager Debian 7 |
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| 11:49.36 | nkuttler | NotLarry: awbian is a distro |
| 11:49.57 | francesco__ | tremon, I'm trying to follow the procedure to make the ".deb" file. The script tries to execute the "dch" command, but it doesn't find it. I don't know what this is, or where I can install it. (apt-get install dch doesn't work.) |
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| 11:50.13 | NotLarry | nkuttler: Sorry, I was being stupid with my question. I will go away and stop cluttering this channel. |
| 11:50.15 | tremon | ,file bin/dch |
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| 11:50.23 | judd | Search for bin/dch in wheezy/i386: devscripts: usr/bin/dch |
| 11:50.28 | francesco__ | tremon, it doesn't find it. |
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| 11:50.34 | tremon | francesco__: apt-get install devscripts :) |
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| 11:51.17 | francesco__ | tremon, is this really so difficult? :) :( |
| 11:51.20 | tremon | francesco__: did you do apt-get build-dep libatlas3-base ? |
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| 11:51.34 | francesco__ | tremon, yes. |
| 11:51.52 | francesco__ | tremon, no. apt-get build-dep atlas. |
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| 11:52.42 | tremon | that should probably do the same, as libatlas3-base is from the atlas source package. You can do both, just to be sure |
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| 11:53.18 | francesco__ | The README.debian file suggested to do it with the "atlas" package. I don't know what to do. :) |
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| 11:55.01 | francesco__ | tremon, I'm afraid that I"m installing a lot of software that I won't need in the future. However, let's see what happens. :) |
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| 12:01.16 | francesco__ | tremon, it seems that the script couldn't find the "configure" file related to "/bin/sh". Perhaps, I'm making some mistakes. I'll try to solve the problem later. :( |
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| 12:04.15 | tremon | it's not really my area, sadly. Hang around, maybe someone else can help you further |
| 12:04.26 | francesco__ | tremon, what if I "brutally" try to install the "libatlas3fg-sse" package. It was a package available with the Lenny distro (no more available)? It was designed for these purposes? What happens when I "apt-get upgrade"? |
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| 12:05.51 | tremon | you can try, but most likely it's not going to work. Either dpkg will refuse to install because the old package also requires the old libatlas-base package, or it will fail to run for the same reason |
| 12:06.02 | tremon | only one way to know for sure though |
| 12:06.37 | tremon | it's unlikely to completely break your system if you just use dpkg -i / dpkg -r |
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| 12:06.48 | francesco__ | tremon, however, it "IS" a bug. |
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| 12:07.32 | sekil | hello |
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| 12:08.00 | sekil | what is the boot parameter to use during install to set which http uri has the install files? |
| 12:08.12 | sekil | I'm using a PXE boot |
| 12:08.16 | tremon | I think we've already found two. The library should not unconditionally use sse2 instructions, and if the package requires devscripts to build, that should be listed in its build-depends |
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| 12:09.05 | themill | no packages require devscripts to build; i386 is like that with poorly defined instruction sets... |
| 12:10.02 | themill | (for very small values of "no packages" ... it's not in this case) |
| 12:10.06 | tremon | but then devscripts should be pulled in by build-essential, or not? |
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| 12:10.36 | francesco__ | tremon, ATLAS should be a set of "optimized" libraries, in order to do matrix operations efficiently. (At least, this is my understanding.) There should be a way to do it in the "not optimized" way. |
| 12:11.21 | tremon | yes, but according to the package description, the default package should be non-optimized and run non-efficiently on all processors |
| 12:11.38 | themill | tremon: build-deps describes the things that are used in automated building not the set of things that the maintainer might use from time to time in a set of instructions |
| 12:11.39 | francesco__ | tremon, yes. As you expected. Conflicting packages. :( |
| 12:12.04 | tremon | ok thanks. Like I said, not my area :) |
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| 12:13.33 | francesco__ | tremon, it's not my area (like you said), but I'm afraid that the maintainers just didn't payed attention to the fact that someone could use a computer that doesn't support SSE2 operations, or, perhaps, I'm just making some silly mistakes. |
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| 12:14.59 | tremon | sekil: in my case, url= specifies a preseed file, and the preseed file sets mirror/http/hostname, mirror/http/directory and mirror/country. Likely you can set those directly on the command line as well |
| 12:15.27 | tremon | sekil: oh, and mirror/protocol=http |
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| 12:15.55 | sekil | ah..so it's mirror/http/hostname = 10.10.1.1 and mirror/http/directory=7.8 |
| 12:15.56 | sekil | ? |
| 12:16.01 | sekil | for a local mirror |
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| 12:16.50 | tremon | that depends on the configuration of your mirror. Normally, mirror/http/directory=/debian |
| 12:16.53 | themill | francesco__: if you don't have the hardware it's not that easy to test if illegal instructions are there and tbh not many people who want to use this library would have hardware that doesn't do sse2 |
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| 12:17.56 | sekil | tremon: well..I mounted the iso image on loop dev and linked the dir under http |
| 12:18.04 | themill | (and atlas is pretty old and crufty stuff) |
| 12:18.08 | sekil | tremon: that is..I don't have a repo or mirror set |
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| 12:18.54 | tremon | sekil: I'm not sure if the cd images use the same pool/ dists/ structure that a mirror would have. Just try and see, I guess |
| 12:19.06 | sekil | tremon: thanks |
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| 12:19.51 | makkan_lappy586 | francesco__: I've only half heartedly followed your conversation here but couldn't you try to download the source of atlas and compile it yourself without sse2 support? |
| 12:19.55 | tapout | i usually do ; cat /usr/share/dict/american-words | ./whatever.pl .. is there a way to do; ./whatever.pl < `cat /usr/share/dict/american-words` ? |
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| 12:20.14 | tremon | tapout: remove the cat and the backticks |
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| 12:20.41 | tapout | oh right lol |
| 12:20.46 | tapout | how slow of me |
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| 12:21.22 | tremon | bash does actually support almost exactly your syntax though, with <( prog ) instead of <`prog` |
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| 12:22.08 | tapout | i'm trying to get phpstorm to receive the file so process.stdin fires, but nah it doesn't like it |
| 12:22.11 | tapout | oh well |
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| 12:24.03 | francesco__ | makkan, I've tried so. Maybe, I'm making some mistakes. I had problems in creating the ".deb" file. I'm afraid that "actually" compiling the software could be too "brutal". How do I uninstall the software, if this is not the cause of the problem? |
| 12:24.21 | francesco__ | I'm sorry. I mean makkan_lappy586. |
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| 12:24.35 | makkan_lappy586 | :) |
| 12:24.46 | francesco__ | ATLAS has many "packages": "libatlas3-base" is just one of them. |
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| 12:27.14 | francesco__ | If this is the only solution, how do I uninstall that program in necessary? |
| 12:27.35 | francesco__ | "in"="if". |
| 12:28.00 | makkan_lappy586 | francesco__: I started my linux experience using slackware so I'm quite new to this whle packaging bit. I would have just run a "sudo make install" after a successful compile. In some cases the developers have been nice and actually added a working "uninstall" in the makefile. |
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| 12:28.55 | makkan_lappy586 | francesco__: the latter here should be fairly easy to find if you just open the Makefile and look what options beside "install" there is. |
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| 12:29.50 | makkan_lappy586 | francesco__: the hard way of doing it is looking at what make install installs and manually remove everything in that list. |
| 12:29.54 | tremon | "make install" should always be replaced with "checkinstall" on debian, so that the installed files are captured in a debian package |
| 12:29.57 | francesco__ | makkan, so, I should check if there is a "unistall" package also. And then, I should check how to enable "not SSE2" operations. The "trick" that was suggested involved the ".deb" file. One should see if compiling the software will automatically get the right executable. |
| 12:30.26 | tremon | but for a source that's already a debian package, dpkg-buildpackage is the preferred solution |
| 12:30.32 | makkan_lappy586 | tremon: I should probably check that out :) |
| 12:31.18 | francesco__ | tremon, if I download the source code, what, you say, is the correct sequence of commands? |
| 12:31.30 | tremon | !ssb |
| 12:31.30 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:31.50 | V155 | francesco__: what you can do is getting the debian source with 'apt-get source $pkgname' and afterwards do the changes you need. than a 'dpkg-source commit' and with 'debuild -uc -us' the .deb is built for you |
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| 12:32.23 | V155 | dpkg: ha. you were faster and more complete :D |
| 12:32.23 | dpkg | V155: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 12:32.45 | V155 | ah its a bot :D |
| 12:32.56 | tremon | francesco__: it depends on how you download the source. If you use apt-get source, see what V155 just said. If you download from an upstream (non-debian) .tar.gz, use uupdate and then the same, or use the regular ./configure, make, checkinstall routine |
| 12:33.40 | V155 | tremon: so when i use checkinstall instead of make install the installed files get tracked? |
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| 12:33.54 | tremon | yes |
| 12:33.57 | V155 | nice |
| 12:34.02 | V155 | good to know |
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| 12:34.15 | francesco__ | tremon, you say that, using this trick, I could even execute "apt-get remove $package", to uninstall the program. |
| 12:34.30 | tremon | checkinstall asks you for metadata (packagename, version, maintainer name) and then produces and installs a .deb |
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| 12:34.57 | tremon | francesco__: yes |
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| 12:35.17 | francesco__ | I'm having lunch now. Let's see what happens. Thanks for you help and patience. :) See you later, maybe. :) |
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| 12:37.05 | francesco__ | tremon, even though, there is still one problem. What if it's not "libatlas3-base"? :( |
| 12:38.03 | tremon | francesco__: if you use apt-get source atlas (or any of the binary packages), and then dpkg-buildpackage, all binary packages from that source package will be built |
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| 12:39.12 | tremon | if the problem is in another source package completely, then you'll need to hunt that down using gdb or the like |
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| 12:39.34 | francesco__ | man gdb, tremon? |
| 12:40.31 | francesco__ | I'll see what I can do. I have also too study. Maybe, I'll just install MatLab, or Mathematica. :D Thank you for your patience, though. :) |
| 12:41.10 | tremon | gdb is a full-featured debugger, you'll need more than a manpage: https://sourceware.org/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb/index.html |
| 12:41.28 | tremon | again, way out of my field of competence :) |
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| 12:43.07 | francesco__ | tremon, there should be an "easy" way to just understand where is the problem. I've read some pages on a forum. When found the wrong package, I could recompile just that. |
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| 12:44.52 | tremon | if you're lucky, if you just run it under gdb (gdb $prog ; run) it will crash with illegal instruction, and gdb will show the binary or library where it crashed |
| 12:45.02 | tremon | if you're unlucky, you need the manual :| |
| 12:45.24 | rgr | gdb is an awful debugger. Dated, clumsy. Has its uses but laughably rubbish compared to the newer generation. |
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| 12:46.35 | themill | it's fine for this where you only need one command... bt. |
| 12:46.56 | francesco__ | tremon, yes. I've read example about this program used like that. If I'm like, I should be able to read the name of the program/library the causes the problem, and move from there. It's "unlucky" that I experience such a problem. :) |
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| 12:56.53 | nebbia | hi everyone, i have a question, if my installation of linux doesn't support a certain hardware is there the possibility to install drivers ? i mean how do you proceed when installing drivers for unknown hardware ? do you search for the module ? |
| 12:57.04 | nebbia | are there sites for hardware ? or what ? |
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| 12:58.09 | centrx | nebbia, Generally you will find that unusual drivers are available in Debian as 'non-free' drivers |
| 12:58.13 | jelly | nebbia: for me it's the other way around, I first investigate if hardware has good linux drivers, THEN decide whether to buy it |
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| 12:58.56 | nebbia | ok but i mean, basically when you install linux it automatically detects hardware and installs it ? so the installation cdhave all kind of drivers in it ? |
| 12:59.11 | jelly | correct |
| 12:59.22 | nebbia | jelly: where do you get info about linux compatibility before buying hardware ? are there any sites for that ? |
| 12:59.38 | centrx | nebbia, Yes it does, however, some of the drivers are under 'non-free' so you have to either make sure to get an installer that has the 'non-free' drivers, or download them separately, if you have hardware that requires them |
| 12:59.55 | nebbia | so what about modules, when do i have necessity of insereting new modules or remove it or recompiling kernel ?? |
| 13:00.07 | jelly | nebbia: I don't know about specific sites. |
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| 13:00.11 | nebbia | ok |
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| 13:01.34 | superlinux-hp | hi. I have just done apt-get dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie. and now GNOME is broken |
| 13:01.46 | superlinux-hp | would someone help please? |
| 13:02.03 | superlinux-hp | I am using now openbox to view the screen |
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| 13:02.20 | francesco__ | tremon, gdb is slow. It makes my octave go slower. Is it ok? |
| 13:02.55 | tremon | I think that's normal |
| 13:03.40 | francesco__ | tremon, this is the output. |
| 13:03.42 | francesco__ | Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. |
| 13:03.42 | francesco__ | 0xb4ac60ac in ATL_diamax_xp1yp0aXbX () from /usr/lib/libblas.so.3 |
| 13:03.49 | Brigo | superlinux-hp, if you are using systemd use journalctl -b and check the logs for errors |
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| 13:04.00 | superlinux-hp | ok |
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| 13:04.10 | va_ | i've a silly binary-only program that's statically linked with ncurses and all it can say is "iconv error". Any idea about what library or w/e might be at fault? |
| 13:04.27 | tremon | francesco__: run dpkg -S /usr/lib/libblas.so.3 to find which package that library is from |
| 13:05.36 | superlinux-hp | Brigo, nothing important |
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| 13:05.55 | Brigo | superlinux-hp, and systemd --failed ? |
| 13:06.12 | superlinux-hp | just a sec.. as root? isn't? |
| 13:06.20 | francesco__ | tremon, dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/libblas.so.3 |
| 13:06.20 | Brigo | superlinux-hp, yes. |
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| 13:07.25 | themill | francesco__: it will be /usr/lib/atlas-base/atlas/libblas.so.3 |
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| 13:10.23 | superlinux-hp | Brigo, systemd is working now. |
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| 13:10.42 | superlinux-hp | but i have no option called --failed |
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| 13:11.31 | Brigo | systemctl --failed, sorry :) |
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| 13:11.59 | Brigo | superlinux-hp, sorry, i have to go, i will be back in an hour or so. |
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| 13:12.11 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 13:12.15 | superlinux-hp | tyt |
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| 13:13.58 | francesco__ | tremon, it's libblas3, and libatlas3-base. |
| 13:14.23 | tremon | ok, well at least you're trying to compile the right package |
| 13:15.05 | francesco__ | tremon, if I recompile libatlas3-base, what will happen to libblas? |
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| 13:16.18 | tremon | oh, I misread. libblas3 is a separate package |
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| 13:17.01 | tremon | you may need to recompile that as well (or rather, start with libblas3, since it's the failing library) |
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| 13:18.24 | francesco__ | I have another idea. Maybe, they are two conflicting packages. I think there was a way to pass from the BLAS library to the ATLAS library. |
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| 13:21.12 | engblom | When is really unattended-upgrade run? Is it run with the "daily" crontab? |
| 13:25.28 | centrx | engblom, I would assume daily. You can check after installing it |
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| 13:26.18 | engblom | centrx: I have tried... I have set clock with 'date' to the time for daily, but it seems to not do anything... |
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| 13:31.29 | kmai | hey guys, how do I force a usb device to use a specific firmware? |
| 13:31.46 | Xyle | Is paxtest Strcpy Vulnerbility something I should be concerned about ? Flawfinder "Strcpy does not detect buffer overflows when copying to destination" ? |
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| 13:33.52 | engblom | To answer my own question, it looks like unattended-upgrades can not be triggered twice the same day by just changing time but not date. It keeps track of the date and does not run before the date is changed. |
| 13:34.13 | j0z | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.26 | metallic | lol |
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| 13:35.04 | metallic | Can someone give some hint on where to look for information on creating, manipulating and modifying a keyboard? |
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| 13:35.25 | metallic | I want bind some combinations of keys to some unicode codes |
| 13:36.20 | metallic | I want to* bind some combinations of keys to some unicode codes |
| 13:36.32 | ectospasm | metallic: wouldn't that be in your DE settings? |
| 13:36.44 | metallic | I hoped so |
| 13:36.47 | ectospasm | metallic: or, use autokey |
| 13:36.48 | metallic | but no |
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| 13:37.04 | metallic | auto what? What is that? Explain yourself please :P |
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| 13:38.12 | ectospasm | autokey is a keyboard macro system for Linux. At a basic level, you can bind a key to a short text file (called a "phrase"). This phrase can contain only one character if you'd like, the Unicode character of your choice. |
| 13:38.24 | ectospasm | aptitude search autokey |
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| 13:38.47 | metallic | :D |
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| 13:39.02 | ectospasm | And, it can do more complex actions using it's scripting API. And its scripting language is Python (-; |
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| 13:39.03 | Brigo | supersoju, still there? |
| 13:39.25 | metallic | ectospasm, do you mean Autohotkey? |
| 13:39.40 | ectospasm | metallic: no, I mean autokey |
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| 13:39.58 | ectospasm | It's similar to AutoHotkey (which is only for Windows) |
| 13:40.01 | metallic | I am looking for it on the debian repositories |
| 13:40.22 | ectospasm | apt-cache search autokey, or aptitude search autokey, you'll find it in Wheezy |
| 13:40.46 | metallic | yes, I just did, thanks! I am going to try it right now |
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| 13:55.23 | francesco__ | tremon, is there a way to view further details (maybe a log file), with gdb, to know exactly what binary instruction caused the problem? |
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| 13:55.47 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world. |
| 13:56.23 | Klaus_Dieter | what is the best way to start firewall-scripts these days? I would like it to start on two occasions: 1. on boot (rc.local should cover that) and 2. on every network interface change. |
| 13:56.28 | Klaus_Dieter | how would I achieve (2)? |
| 13:56.47 | tremon | bt, for backtrace. But it will give a much more meaningful response if you have installed the necessary -dbg packages |
| 13:57.36 | tremon | I'm pretty sure there's a way to disassemble the instructions at and and before IP, but I wouldn't know how |
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| 13:58.55 | tremon | Klaus_Dieter: you can install iptables-persistent, and put hooks in the /etc/network/if-*.d/ directories to do a reload |
| 13:59.22 | francesco__ | tremon, I've tried to uninstall libatlas3-base (keeping libblas) to see what happens, and it was not good. :) Maybe, I'll try to recompile the libatlas3-base package. |
| 13:59.53 | tremon | that presupposes you use ifupdown though, not network-manager or something else |
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| 14:00.53 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: well, I already have a script that sets up all the firewalling |
| 14:01.07 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: so it is just a matter of where to put the thook |
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| 14:01.13 | kmai | why would a wlan iface load as wlan1 instead of wlan0? |
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| 14:01.43 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: from your answer I am reading that there is no universal way and it all depends on how the interfaces are brought up |
| 14:01.46 | Klaus_Dieter | is that correct? |
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| 14:02.06 | tremon | yes, that's true. War on shell and all that |
| 14:02.14 | Klaus_Dieter | horrible. |
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| 14:03.16 | Klaus_Dieter | I really dislike what happened to the network setup since network-manager et al. NM has been failing for the last 8 years to do the job well, it always gets in the way and it just makes like more complex. |
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| 14:03.31 | Klaus_Dieter | well... LOL I could even run this script by cron.hourly ;) |
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| 14:03.53 | brontosaurusrex | something is autogenerating Desktop dir, what could it be and how to stop it? (Jessie and openbox) |
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| 14:04.51 | Klaus_Dieter | tremon: I am not always using ifup/ifdown and the machine is managed by multiple people - each having their own way of doing things |
| 14:04.54 | Brigo | brontosaurusrex, someone with the samo problem some days ago find iceweasel or chromium -not sure- was the problem |
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| 14:05.38 | tremon | brontosaurusrex: it's because of the default XDG_ dirs. I'll see if I can find a reference |
| 14:05.56 | francesco__ | Please, how do I make a ".deb" file, out of a source code, please? |
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| 14:07.24 | brontosaurusrex | tremon: nope, i changed that |
| 14:07.28 | centrx | dpkg, tell francesco__ about nmg |
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| 14:09.58 | superlinux-hp | hi I need someone help me get GNOME back on track. after I did apt-get dist-upgrade today it gives me the OOPS message |
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| 14:10.30 | centrx | superlinux-hp, Kernel Oops? can you paste the message at paste.debian.net |
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| 14:10.48 | superlinux-hp | I am not a newbie. but I could not find anything in th logs of any relationship |
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| 14:11.05 | superlinux-hp | centrx, nop! the GNOME opps! message |
| 14:11.13 | francesco__ | tremon, I made it. :D I simply used the command "update-alternatives --config libblas.so.3". :D |
| 14:11.19 | francesco__ | Don't ask me why it worked. :) |
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| 14:11.48 | superlinux-hp | centrx, I moved to jessie today |
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| 14:12.11 | superlinux-hp | .. haha! lovely girl! ⺠|
| 14:12.48 | Brigo | superlinux-hp, can you paste that message in paste.debian.net? |
| 14:13.03 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: Nvidia video card? |
| 14:13.12 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, AMD ati |
| 14:13.34 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: using fgrlx? How did you install the driver? |
| 14:13.47 | superlinux-hp | I used the proprietary drivers, it hangs. yes fglrx |
| 14:14.06 | Brigo | superlinux-hp, you are using openbox just now, right? |
| 14:14.08 | abrotman | how did you install them ... |
| 14:14.11 | superlinux-hp | I usually download the zip file from AMD directly |
| 14:14.24 | superlinux-hp | and compile them.. and they compile |
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| 14:15.38 | superlinux-hp | I am running xfce4 directly from startx |
| 14:16.01 | superlinux-hp | this is how i am chatting now |
| 14:16.21 | superlinux-hp | and using the radeon open source driver |
| 14:16.40 | superlinux-hp | so i feel crippled a little bit |
| 14:19.12 | darxmurf | It's friday 13 and I did put in production a new backup script \o/ |
| 14:19.29 | darxmurf | time to run away and have a beer \o/ |
| 14:20.05 | aphorise | Can anyone recommend an alternative tool to: partimage - for making iso images of things from within machine? - partimage does not support ext4 :-( |
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| 14:22.02 | darxmurf | clonezilla ? |
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| 14:23.29 | aphorise | darxmurf but I cant do that via ssh right? |
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| 14:34.48 | darxmurf | huuu what to you want to do exactly ? |
| 14:34.56 | darxmurf | dump a partition to a file ? |
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| 14:37.17 | aphorise | darxmurf yes sir |
| 14:37.25 | aphorise | darxmurf well to an iso |
| 14:37.39 | aphorise | darxmurf its for apache-cloud purposes. |
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| 14:41.17 | metallic | Ä!!! |
| 14:41.23 | rgr | current thoughts on best screen recorder for debian? And please dont say Istanbul :) |
| 14:41.26 | metallic | Autokey, awesome program |
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| 14:41.54 | metallic | rgr, I remember an easy to program |
| 14:42.00 | darxmurf | aphorise: partclone ? |
| 14:42.10 | metallic | it is called "record my screen" or something like that |
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| 14:43.03 | V155 | ffmpeg works well over here |
| 14:43.18 | darxmurf | aphorise: or mkisofs but not sur about that |
| 14:43.28 | darxmurf | just found something on a forum with this |
| 14:44.21 | metallic | rgr, the name of the program I remember is "recordmydesktop" pretty easy to use, |
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| 14:46.10 | metallic | By the way, ectospasm |
| 14:46.17 | metallic | autokey is an awesome program |
| 14:46.27 | V155 | https://github.com/carnager/teiler.git is a script i use that can also record screencasts |
| 14:46.49 | metallic | thanks for telling me about that nice application :) |
| 14:47.20 | ectospasm | no problem! |
| 14:47.24 | ectospasm | metallic: ^ |
| 14:47.48 | metallic | :D |
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| 15:04.19 | darxmurf | week end time folks ! |
| 15:04.25 | darxmurf | see you on monday ! cheers ! |
| 15:04.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | is jealous of your tzinfo |
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| 15:24.15 | lanodan | rgr: I use ffmpeg or OBS when I want to stream |
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| 15:33.48 | rgr | My preferred records is xvidcap but I'll be damned if I can get it to compile. for some reason the debian gods have removed it from the repos. |
| 15:33.52 | rgr | recorder |
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| 15:37.19 | Iridos | maybe they couldn't get it to compile ^^ |
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| 15:37.48 | Iridos | dpkg, tell rgr about xvidcap |
| 15:38.50 | lanodan | dpkg, tell lanodan about xvidcap |
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| 15:39.16 | lanodan | Uh a PRIVMSG and not a NOTICE >< |
| 15:40.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell lanodan about selftell |
| 15:40.05 | Iridos | yes... and so you can also do /msg dpkg xvidcap |
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| 15:40.17 | jelly | :-> |
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| 15:41.01 | lanodan | Okay, Iâll use that Iâve like 10 programs to ask |
| 15:41.02 | rgr | xvidcap isn't in the deb-mukltimedia in jessie at least |
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| 15:41.52 | Iridos | it has factoids on all kinds of things, not only programs... and it doesn't have factoids on all programs, only on the ones people ask the same thing about |
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| 15:42.25 | Iridos | I just realized I don't even have dmm enabled :) |
| 15:43.08 | Iridos | judd, versions xvidcap |
| 15:43.09 | judd | Package: xvidcap on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.6 |
| 15:43.13 | Iridos | oi |
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| 15:44.53 | Iridos | dpkg, xvidcap =~ s/ an unofficial package is available from deb-multimedia.org, ask me about <dmm>// |
| 15:44.53 | dpkg | Iridos: OK |
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| 15:45.18 | Iridos | admittedly it is for the squeeze-lts |
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| 15:45.56 | lanodan | The dpkg info is outdated about zfs, zfsonlinux allows zfsutils |
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| 15:48.05 | Iridos | ? |
| 15:48.15 | Iridos | dpkg, versions zfsutils |
| 15:48.16 | dpkg | Iridos: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 15:48.21 | Iridos | judd, versions zfsutils |
| 15:48.22 | judd | No package named 'zfsutils' was found in i386. |
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| 15:48.32 | jelly | lanodan: the factoid might be outdated, but also it might focus on what's available in Debian |
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| 15:48.46 | jelly | ZOL is not in Debian |
| 15:49.04 | Iridos | but the zfsutils that it talks about, I cannot see either |
| 15:49.16 | jelly | Iridos: arch kfreebsd-amd64? |
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| 15:49.35 | Iridos | oha |
| 15:49.46 | Iridos | my internal spamfilter erased that bit |
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| 15:50.07 | jelly | dpkg: factinfo zfs |
| 15:50.07 | dpkg | zfs -- created by abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> at Sat Sep 23 16:23:57 2006 (3064 days); last modified at Wed Oct 13 13:19:13 2010 by abrotman!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 158 times, last by jelly, 2m 42s ago. |
| 15:50.15 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:50.19 | jelly | or maybe it just needs an update |
| 15:50.26 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 15:50.44 | jelly | lanodan: please propose a new wording and someone will change it |
| 15:51.04 | Iridos | but is zfsonlinux in jessie? |
| 15:51.21 | jelly | Iridos: nope, because LICENSES |
| 15:51.42 | Iridos | then I don't see that factoid actually outdated :P |
| 15:51.46 | Iridos | as* |
| 15:52.37 | Iridos | anyway, see you later |
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| 16:02.45 | woshty | what amd version is the fglrx driver in the fglrx-legacy package in backports? |
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| 16:03.48 | Azbug | hello everyone, one question about the sudoer file. I make a NOPASSWD rule for my user for some command like reboot, apt-get update.... and i want to add tail and cat but i don't found the path of those program. litle help please |
| 16:03.53 | abrotman | woshty: packages.debian.org/fglrx-legacy ? |
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| 16:04.14 | abrotman | Azbug: "which tail" |
| 16:04.16 | jhutchins | Azbug: Try "which tail" |
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| 16:05.46 | jelly | woshty: see /msg judd versions fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 16:05.47 | Azbug | thank you, i will try now |
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| 16:07.05 | lanodan | For zfsonlinux Iâd just add "zfsutils is also available with http://www.zfsonlinux.org/ packages" |
| 16:07.20 | Azbug | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 28 -> so i cannot make a sudo command anymore ....rhaa |
| 16:07.39 | Azbug | and my root is disable ..... |
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| 16:08.39 | woshty | jelly: apparently latest legacy on amd webpage is 13.1 - which made me think that the versions could be different somehow .. |
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| 16:09.07 | woshty | jelly: .. it still only seems to support xorg up to 1.12 though |
| 16:09.18 | brokencycle | hi! got a problem getting ido2db to run on jessie. |
| 16:09.49 | brokencycle | it simply does not start. |
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| 16:10.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | Azbug: boot to single-user mode and fix your sudoers file that way. |
| 16:10.18 | brokencycle | but strace'ing it did not reveal anything useful. |
| 16:10.29 | jelly | woshty: thankfully wheezy has xserver 1.12 |
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| 16:11.00 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: that's not what he's asking |
| 16:11.03 | Azbug | NoImNotNineVolt: I can't , it's a raspberry , only on ssh |
| 16:11.05 | tremon | Azbug: for next time, always use visudo (or sudoedit) when editing a sudoers file. It will perform a syntax check |
| 16:11.18 | Azbug | i forget about that |
| 16:11.25 | jelly | woshty: (but you're screwed with jessie, see /msg judd versions xserver-xorg-core) |
| 16:11.36 | abrotman | Azbug: also, you shoul'dnt logout of root before you test it |
| 16:12.03 | tremon | Azbug: remove the flash card and mount it on your machine, edit sudoers there |
| 16:12.14 | Azbug | tremon: good idea |
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| 16:12.30 | jelly | Azbug: or don't have root disabled! |
| 16:12.44 | jelly | ...next time |
| 16:12.49 | Azbug | it's the default on raspbian |
| 16:12.59 | woshty | jelly: yep, I tried to go jessie and failed, open source driver only has really useful mpeg2 accel on that gpu |
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| 16:14.45 | Azbug | i need to boot on linux because windows cannot read the card. see you after that |
| 16:15.10 | woshty | jelly: the bpo version seems to be 13.1 .. no clue why they call it 8.97 |
| 16:15.28 | jelly | ? |
| 16:15.47 | jelly | woshty: weird |
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| 16:17.16 | whozatmac | speaking of gpu, any one have a thought on a video card, howeveer old and lame, that might have fucntioning 3d drivers for the g5 (ppc)? it doesnt matter if it works with macos |
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| 16:31.08 | Azlux | i'm back |
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| 16:36.59 | Azlux | so we have said to use : "which tail" |
| 16:37.01 | woshty | whozatmac: those are still agp, right? you would need something with a compatible firmware I think. I remember there being a thread on some mailing list somewhere about alternative gpus, but I do not remember what the conclusion was .. |
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| 16:37.35 | Azlux | visudo ask "what now?" it's mean there are some error or what ? |
| 16:37.43 | woshty | whozatmac: https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2012/02/msg00007.html maybe |
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| 16:38.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | why would visudo be involved in `which tail`? |
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| 16:39.27 | Azlux | NoImNotNineVolt: i just want to make some "sudo tail" with the option NOPASSWD |
| 16:39.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's a separate step. |
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| 16:40.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | `which tail` tells you where tail is. it has nothing to do with editing your sudoers file. |
| 16:41.05 | Azlux | hoooo, i'm so stupid sometime |
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| 16:41.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | then, once you have the output from `which tail`, you can go edit your sudoers file. |
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| 16:44.41 | Azlux | NoImNotNineVolt: don't take care of my stupidity, it's the end of the day.... thank you for your answers |
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| 16:46.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | :) |
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| 17:04.48 | brontosaurusrex | something is autogenerating Desktop dir, what could it be and how to stop it? (Jessie and openbox) |
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| 17:10.41 | Tau | how can i just uninstall shokewave flash plugin? |
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| 17:11.11 | jelly | Tau: do you know, how did you install it? |
| 17:11.18 | Tau | i need it to work with chromium but i cant. |
| 17:11.23 | Tau | jelly i dont remember. |
| 17:11.37 | Tau | how can i get flash plugin with chromium? |
| 17:11.53 | Tau | tinychat.com is not working for me. |
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| 17:12.25 | jelly | !pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:12.25 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree <contrib> Debian package (in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>) can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
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| 17:12.47 | jelly | Tau: that's what you need for chromium |
| 17:13.01 | Tau | alright. |
| 17:13.03 | Tau | nice |
| 17:13.04 | Tau | thank u |
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| 17:19.47 | woshty | jelly: ah, finally got it - amd has two version numbers, that is the real one for the driver .. |
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| 17:21.06 | uwe | I installed jessie without the usb-modeswitch package. But if I insert a USB-UMTS-Modem it switch from mass storage to the modem mode. But I like to be in mass storage mode. how can I disable the automatic switch? |
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| 17:24.28 | d0uglas | Hi.. When I block IPs in ipset instead of iptables, and a blocked IP tries to access my server, does it get logged in /var/log/messages as it does with iptables? |
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| 17:28.35 | jelly | d0uglas: if you have iptables rules to log it, sure |
| 17:28.42 | user123irc | Hello , wanted to ask Wich is more suitable for an old PC ( CPU AMD 1800 Hz 756 RAM ) Linux mint Debian 32 or 64 ? |
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| 17:29.28 | jelly | user123irc: 32bit is just fine, and possibly that old a CPU might not even support 64bit |
| 17:29.43 | user123irc | jelly: it supports 64 |
| 17:29.45 | d0uglas | jelly: I'm using ipset to ban wide ranges of IPs because I read it's more efficient somehow, but in order to see a log I need to tie in iptables? |
| 17:30.49 | user123irc | jelly: wich Debian uses less ram 32 or 64 ? that old PC can run 64... |
| 17:30.52 | jelly | d0uglas: but you still block stuff via iptables |
| 17:31.04 | centrx | user123irc, 32-bit uses less RAM |
| 17:31.12 | jelly | user123irc: 32bit may or may not use slightly less memory |
| 17:31.16 | d0uglas | oh, so ipset is some kind of a feeder into iptables? |
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| 17:31.29 | jelly | user123irc: it can be 0-10% difference |
| 17:31.58 | jelly | d0uglas: AFAIK you use it as an iptables module. |
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| 17:33.08 | jelly | d0uglas: but since you're using it already, you should be aware of that, no? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ipset |
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| 17:34.07 | user123irc | ok thanks guys , I think it will be better to test it on that old PC but I also think that 32 could be a better choice |
| 17:34.30 | jelly | d0uglas: iptables ... -m set --match-set ... is just a different way to tell iptables which source or destination addresses to match |
| 17:34.46 | d0uglas | jelly: well, all I had been using was iptables, but after a lot of rules my sites slowed down a bit, and I read something about ipset being more efficient and found a script on github, so, no, not really aware of much.. |
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| 17:53.18 | francesco__ | tremon, here I am back. Octave works perfectly now. Should I post somewhere, how I succeeded in solving the problem? There are not too many old computer around, but it might help someone. |
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| 17:57.49 | spal | does Debian CD1 not contain non-free packages? I am trying to install Debian 7.0.8 and it says it doesn't have the non-free iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode file. |
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| 17:59.09 | Sark | It does not. You will need to download the firmware separately. |
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| 17:59.33 | Sark | You can get the installer to load it from other media though. |
| 17:59.48 | spal | okay |
| 17:59.51 | Sark | Last time I needed a firmware file like that, I just downloaded it, put it on a floppy, and pointed the installer at it and it installed it for me. |
| 18:00.40 | iveevue | Floppy? |
| 18:01.41 | francesco__ | spal, if you have an internet connection, you can see in the internet what package has it, and then use "apt-get". |
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| 18:03.47 | spal | francesco__ If it failed to install the non-free firmware for my wifi, I believe I would not be able to use the internet connection to check with "apt-get", am I right? |
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| 18:05.39 | francesco__ | spal, I had a similar problem with my laptop too, when I had to install the non-free firmware, for the wi-fi. I connected the PC with an ethernet wire to my modem, and proceeded with the installation. It was the most practical way for me. Otherwise, you should download the corresponding package. |
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| 18:07.51 | fernie | you can put the firware.deb to usb stick and the installer should find & use it automatically. or use the iso that contains all the firmwares |
| 18:08.06 | spal | francesco__ I have another system. Can I download the iwlwifi .deb file and install it later using the `dpkg -i` command? |
| 18:08.24 | spal | and if I install something with the dpkg -i command, does aptitude become aware of this installed package? |
| 18:09.58 | francesco__ | spal, I'm not an expert, but it should. The "apt-get" program should call, indeed, "dpkg" for the "dirty work" (but, I repeat, I'm not sure. But I was told so.) However, in my case, the ethernet cable was the best solution. |
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| 18:10.43 | spal | okay francesco_ thanks for telling me what worked for you. |
| 18:11.48 | francesco__ | spal, for me, the best way to check which package has the software that I need is the web. Then, download the ".deb" file, and install it. It should work fine. |
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| 18:19.30 | Sark | When I needed it most recently (earlier this year) it was for firmware for an Ethernet chipset, IIRC. Which meant I couldn't get the box on the network without it, so I had to load the firmware via the installer. |
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| 18:19.40 | Sark | But it was pretty easy to do - I don't recall any problems with it. |
| 18:20.17 | Sark | I used a floppy but I'm sure if you had a flash drive or something, you could use that as well. |
| 18:20.49 | francesco__ | Sark, ah yes. Sorry, I didn't think about it. |
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| 18:25.38 | spal | how can I find out which package would provide me iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode firmware? I know I can use Google but I am more interested to know how I can figure it out directly from the debian.org website. |
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| 18:27.27 | kmai | spal: you need to look for the driver/firmware for your device |
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| 18:29.11 | mtn | spal: you can search for files using apt-file or http://packages.debian.org |
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| 18:30.05 | tremon | ,file iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode |
| 18:30.09 | judd | Search for iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode in wheezy/i386: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode |
| 18:30.10 | tremon | ... or ask judd :) |
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| 18:34.19 | mtn | and I'll bet the wiki says where to look for firmwar, too |
| 18:34.29 | mtn | war or ware, who knows? |
| 18:34.32 | francesco__ | spal, I normally type the package name on Google, and get something like this: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi. But I'm not sure if this is the proper way to do it. |
| 18:35.33 | spal | thank you francesco__ the search bar at the bottom of packages.debian.org website also helped |
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| 18:38.47 | teku_ | hey |
| 18:38.58 | teku_ | the version 7.8.0 is stable? |
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| 18:39.29 | spal | yes |
| 18:39.31 | mtn | teku_: yes, 7 is the current stable |
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| 18:39.54 | teku_ | okay, thank you very much mtn |
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| 18:45.41 | SAKUJ0 | i installed my HTPC yesterday and was stupid enough to go for stable |
| 18:46.02 | SAKUJ0 | it works like a charm but given how jessie is right before release i want to make a re-setup |
| 18:46.09 | SAKUJ0 | and keep the system up to date until jessie is out |
| 18:46.24 | SAKUJ0 | now when i want to download jessie i can either download the 'release', weekly or daily snapshots |
| 18:46.33 | mtn | SAKUJ0: you can upgrade: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 18:46.51 | SAKUJ0 | which one would be preferred considering i will instantly aptitude upgrade |
| 18:47.07 | SAKUJ0 | mtn, that is correct and i would do that, however i am about to set up a second machine from the scratch anyway for a friend |
| 18:47.20 | SAKUJ0 | and i installed the HTPC on the internal mechanical drive, whereas it would be wiser to choose an SD card |
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| 18:47.29 | mtn | SAKUJ0: it is recommended to upgrade from stable to get testing |
| 18:47.33 | SAKUJ0 | so it really makes sense going through it quickly again with a fresh install |
| 18:47.37 | SAKUJ0 | oh is it? |
| 18:47.38 | SAKUJ0 | hmm |
| 18:47.46 | mtn | SAKUJ0: yup, read the wiki |
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| 18:47.55 | SAKUJ0 | i have like 6-7 things compiled myself, though |
| 18:48.00 | SAKUJ0 | won't an upgrade like that be bad for that? |
| 18:48.09 | SAKUJ0 | i suppose i can just recompile those |
| 18:48.23 | SAKUJ0 | i guess i would still install a fresh stable and upgrade then |
| 18:48.33 | SAKUJ0 | thanks for your help i'll read the wiki |
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| 18:48.41 | SAKUJ0 | (i only saw the download page so far) |
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| 18:48.52 | whozatmac | i've always preffered upgrading that way. froma fairly clean install it takes 2 minutes attended and only a few more unattended. |
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| 18:48.58 | SAKUJ0 | oh |
| 18:48.58 | mtn | SAKUJ0: I just do a minimal install using the netinstall and then upgrade |
| 18:49.01 | SAKUJ0 | the wiki even recommends that |
| 18:49.04 | SAKUJ0 | yes i just read that |
| 18:49.41 | SAKUJ0 | thanks i appreciate it. my apologies that i did not expect the testing downloads to be mainly to test the installers |
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| 18:49.59 | SAKUJ0 | a quick glance at the manual would have avoided wasting your time |
| 18:50.12 | SAKUJ0 | manual -> *wiki |
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| 18:51.39 | whozatmac | learning has haopened. best documented OS in the unicerse. that we know of. |
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| 19:57.32 | lucascastro | someone can say me if there is some app to manage user profiles. |
| 19:57.49 | lucascastro | something like, like build a desktop menu and desktop entry for each department ? |
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| 20:04.29 | lucascastro | someone can say me if there is some app to manage user profiles. |
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| 20:06.18 | panamark | What are you trying to do? |
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| 20:08.38 | lucascastro | I setup a LTPS server, and I'd like to custom mate desktop or other WM to interface, menu, icons on desktop etc and create a profile with that setup and just add another user to that profile. |
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| 20:24.32 | claudiop | Hi. I've been thinking about Debian for a server, but since Debian 8 is coming someday soon i would like to know if it is usually a painless to upgrade. I mean without screwing the configurations and leaving services needing human intervention after rebooting |
| 20:24.47 | claudiop | How was it for who migrated from 6 to 7? |
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| 20:30.37 | valdyn | claudiop: if you have to ask it will probably be difficult for you |
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| 20:30.52 | panamark | It depends on the installed software. for example squeeze had dovecot 1.x and wheezy had 2.x. They used different configuration "logic" |
| 20:32.43 | claudiop | I don't use Debian at all, thats why I'm asking. I've been using Arch on a server, and probably will keep doing so as far as the replacement service provider allows to. That's why Im considering it. And i know that some softwares have different configurations, but my question was more oriented to the base system |
| 20:32.52 | frostschutz | claudiop, some people already install debian 8 (using the release candidate installer) and hope for a painless transition from there to stable... |
| 20:32.56 | claudiop | For example, are configurations overriden on upgrades? |
| 20:33.20 | frostschutz | claudiop, your provider does not allow certain distros?! |
| 20:34.13 | valdyn | claudiop: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-conffiles.html |
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| 20:35.38 | valdyn | claudiop: probably better for a user (rather than developer) of debian: https://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling |
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| 20:36.53 | valdyn | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ is even better |
| 20:38.08 | claudiop | valdyn, Thanks that answers it |
| 20:39.46 | panamark | Debian has a much larger community than Arch and is faster in security updates. For a production system i would say security is crucial. |
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| 20:40.25 | ark` | hi all |
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| 20:40.33 | panamark | hello |
| 20:41.17 | claudiop | Do you guys have any general idea of which new common server softwares should get versions incompatible with the previous? I mean postfix/dovecot/nginx/openvpn/... should be reasonably compatible configuration-wise from debian 7 to 8, correct? Im asking for a general idea, not for an exact YES or NO |
| 20:41.19 | ark` | I was wondering, what are the differences between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:42.03 | claudiop | panamark, But Arch is way more flexible and already has systemd which i do like. I don't need a ULTRA-GOVERMENT-STABLE-OP-SYSTEM now. Just something that doesn't crashes too often :p |
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| 20:42.09 | valdyn | judd: versions postfix |
| 20:42.11 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; wheezy-backports: 2.11.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.11.3-1; sid: 2.11.3-1 |
| 20:42.17 | valdyn | claudiop: none really |
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| 20:43.00 | crash__ | ark`, dist-upgrade upgrades kernel and such things wich upgrade does not as a example |
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| 20:43.09 | valdyn | claudiop: or maybe the biggest transition is sysvinit -> systemd, but you cant postpone that to jessie+1 at least |
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| 20:43.40 | valdyn | claudiop: i meant you *can* postpone that |
| 20:43.49 | ark` | crash__: okay, but why is it necessary to do so? Why does upgrade doesn't also upgrades every components of the system? |
| 20:44.09 | valdyn | ark`: because that is more risky |
| 20:44.24 | claudiop | valdyn, I try not to burn too much time with internet flame-wars, but if i do understand you mean that jessie will not get systemd supported, just the next one? |
| 20:44.34 | claudiop | I thought that jessie would get it |
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| 20:44.44 | valdyn | claudiop: no, im saying that jessie does not force you to use systemd |
| 20:45.10 | panamark | and not all parts are compatible, for example apache 2.2 vhost directives are not 100% compatible with 2.4 |
| 20:45.14 | valdyn | claudiop: im not at all talking *against* systemd or anything else, but its still a significant, thus dangerous upgrade |
| 20:45.39 | ark` | valdyn: well... if that is the reason, why not, but i still don't really understand the logic behind that ^^ |
| 20:45.41 | valdyn | or "transition" even |
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| 20:45.47 | panamark | *because not all parts are compatible |
| 20:45.49 | ark` | anyway, thank you all for your replies |
| 20:45.58 | valdyn | ark`: dist-upgrade is allowed to change the state of a package, upgrade is not, its that simple |
| 20:46.05 | crash__ | ark`, dist-upgrade is also for upgrading from wheezy to jessie too. |
| 20:46.07 | valdyn | ark`: dist-upgrade is thus more dangerous |
| 20:46.18 | joj-monitor | Has somebody experience with Seagate's Reallocated_Event_Count SMART attribute (196)? I've got a disk replacement twice, but on every disk of the 3 the attribute's value's lower 32 bit (which are supposed count the actual events) just count up, from disk lifetime ZERO onwards. Are people seeing this too on their "healthy" Seagate disks? |
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| 20:46.53 | crash__ | ark`, if you have changed your sources.list file! |
| 20:46.56 | joj-monitor | joj-monitor: ^ Since all SMART tests (long, short, conveyance) finish with no error reported |
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| 20:47.48 | ark` | crash__: i didn't changed anything, I was just wondering about that as i come from archlinux :) |
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| 20:48.35 | claudiop | valdyn, Thanks for your time, you answered my questions fairly well. In case i have to go with debian I'll come back to ask a few more ;) |
| 20:48.38 | valdyn | joj-monitor: i dont get what you are saying, im reading it as "it is supposed to count up but it counts up" |
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| 20:49.11 | crash__ | ark`, i understand that but if you wanted to go from wheezy > jessie you need to do dist-upgrade command to complete the upgrade ) |
| 20:49.15 | crash__ | :) |
| 20:49.44 | ark` | crash__: okay =) Thanks |
| 20:50.04 | crash__ | ark`, but pacman -Syu is apt-get dist-upgrade in debian way :) |
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| 20:50.38 | ark` | crash__: oh, so dist-upgrade also does the upgrade ? |
| 20:50.40 | joj-monitor | valdyn: it's counting up as a pre-failure attribute but all disk-implemented tests finish without an error. It's been behaving this way on 3 different disks. All my other disks (Hitachi) have this attribute set to zero. So, I have no way to verify the actual health of the drive. |
| 20:51.10 | crash__ | ark`, pacman -Syu upgrades kernel and so on, dist-upgrade does the same thing! |
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| 20:51.43 | valdyn | joj-monitor: of course, sector reallocation fixed an error, thus theres no error on any smart test (smart would likely not found such an error) |
| 20:51.57 | crash__ | ark`, upgrade does upgrade in a safer way then dist-upgrade. |
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| 20:52.18 | valdyn | joj-monitor: but reading that failed sector finds such error, writing a failed sector triggers the fix (by reallocating it) |
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| 20:53.12 | ark` | crash__: ok ok, understood! ^^ |
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| 20:53.30 | crash__ | ark`, :) |
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| 20:55.09 | joj-monitor | valdyn: I know. So do you think I should get the drive switched by the vendor's support (Lenovo) a 3rd time? I know the general meaning of the attributes, but since Seagate is known do be ambiguous, and there is no definite documentation, I was wondering if this is the 'default'/correct behaviour for Seagate disks. The upper 2 bytes of that attribute for example count up extremely fast but overflow to zero |
| 20:55.11 | joj-monitor | while the lower bits (in my case, it's = 3) go up slower. All I could find on the meaning of this attribute on Seagate disks was speculation... |
| 20:56.31 | valdyn | joj-monitor: you can try running "gnome-disks", that will show you "0 sectors" |
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| 20:56.36 | tremon | joj-monitor: my seagate disks don't report that counter |
| 20:56.47 | tremon | I'd just keep returning them until seagate fixes their smart reporting. If they're true to form, the fix will likely be to stop reporting that counter entirely |
| 20:56.49 | valdyn | joj-monitor: i mean it will to the interpretation of that smart value for you |
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| 20:57.02 | joj-monitor | valdyn: I don't use GNOME. I display that with smartctl -v 196,hex48 $disk |
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| 20:57.17 | valdyn | joj-monitor: i never said you should use gnome |
| 20:58.40 | tremon | my seagate disks report random garbage in 195 (Hardware_ECC_Recovered) instead :( |
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| 20:59.58 | joj-monitor | tremon: horrible, isn't it? How am I supposed to entrust my data to this kind of crap. I'll try to persuade them to give me a Hitachi again...the exact same story has happened 3 years ago. |
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| 21:00.21 | crash__ | joj-monitor, have you tried to sudo update-smart-drivedb? |
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| 21:00.34 | valdyn | joj-monitor: "Disk is OK, 472 bad sectors", thats not going to yield any smart error |
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| 21:01.36 | tremon | smart error or not, I'd replace a disk with that status asap |
| 21:02.03 | valdyn | tremon: thats just my movies, and its like that for years |
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| 21:03.30 | valdyn | people not using raid wouldnt even notice that error, meaning they reallocation would never trigger - that does not make the disk "ok" |
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| 21:03.51 | irn4l | hi people |
| 21:03.56 | irn4l | hows it going? |
| 21:04.01 | irn4l | so debian is the best right? |
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| 21:04.14 | joj-monitor | crash__: I'm already using an Arch live disk on that laptop with the latest database. smartctl does report even the normalized values correctly, I have verified that manually against the hex raw values |
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| 21:04.44 | irn4l | i have a question |
| 21:04.50 | irn4l | when im installing debian |
| 21:04.59 | jhutchins | !arch |
| 21:05.00 | dpkg | from memory, arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 21:05.07 | valdyn | joj-monitor: you should probably read googles report on what smart actually does and does not do |
| 21:05.07 | irn4l | after the source core systems is installed i have to select and install software |
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| 21:05.18 | irn4l | and a list to select software pops up |
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| 21:05.38 | panamark | press space to select |
| 21:05.39 | crash__ | i'm sad that debian is not supported on my alpha machines anymore :( |
| 21:05.55 | irn4l | can you please tell me what is debian desktop envirement and system utilities? |
| 21:06.06 | irn4l | can you please tell me what is debian desktop enviroment and system utilities? |
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| 21:06.35 | valdyn | irn4l: thats gnome I think, by default |
| 21:06.41 | joj-monitor | valdyn: I'm perfectly aware of what it does and doesn't. I'm running a full badblocks pass as we speak. It's gonna finish in ~30mins I guess |
| 21:06.45 | crash__ | irn4l, debian desktop enviroment is gnome, if you have not opted for other before you started the install |
| 21:06.54 | panamark | xorg gnome/xfce/kde/mate/cinammon |
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| 21:07.11 | irn4l | but it have a gnome ooption already |
| 21:07.16 | electromagnetic | #join python |
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| 21:07.30 | irn4l | why do we need 2 options for gnome? |
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| 21:07.48 | irn4l | and system utilities? |
| 21:07.58 | valdyn | !tasksel |
| 21:07.59 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 21:08.01 | irn4l | i deselected and i have my calcutator installed anyway |
| 21:08.03 | valdyn | irn4l: ^^ |
| 21:08.29 | irn4l | whats the diference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 21:08.33 | panamark | do you have tools like dig? |
| 21:08.41 | valdyn | irn4l: please stop these questions |
| 21:08.45 | irn4l | only music, im musician |
| 21:08.57 | valdyn | irn4l: its obvious you are not reading some basic manuals |
| 21:09.09 | irn4l | basic manual? |
| 21:09.13 | panamark | man aptitude |
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| 21:09.44 | irn4l | anyway, if anyone needs help setting up debian im here to help |
| 21:10.18 | panamark | Has anyone tried to install ubuntu touch using debian? |
| 21:10.35 | irn4l | my knowledge is in nvidia drivers, firewalling, and software for music and gaming prodction |
| 21:11.01 | crash__ | irn4l, man apt-get |
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| 21:11.14 | valdyn | !troll |
| 21:11.14 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
| 21:11.28 | panamark | lol |
| 21:11.41 | irn4l | im very happy with debian |
| 21:11.41 | jhutchins | panamark: How would you use debian to install ubuntu? |
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| 21:11.56 | irn4l | i dont understand why is not the top of the OS |
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| 21:12.18 | irn4l | yes panamark, install debian only or ubuntu only, |
| 21:12.23 | panamark | It doesnt need any ubuntu specific packages |
| 21:12.27 | crash__ | panamark, ubuntu is derative of debian, not plain debian |
| 21:12.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | panamark: i can only help you use debian to install os x. |
| 21:12.47 | jhutchins | irn4l: There are usually at least two, and sometimes more than six different ways to do pretty much anything in Linux. |
| 21:12.52 | irn4l | panamark, ubuntu is just good cause nobody knows about debian |
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| 21:13.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | so to "upgrade" a package i've rolled up myself... |
| 21:13.26 | panamark | yeap i know :/ |
| 21:13.33 | irn4l | yes yes, i just want debian to be the best operative system in the history of the interwebs |
| 21:13.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | all i need to do is make sure the version number is changed? |
| 21:13.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | and then i can just dpkg -i foo.deb? |
| 21:13.44 | irn4l | its asking too much, lestc stick to the code |
| 21:13.47 | jhutchins | irn4l: aptitude is a newer dpkg wrapper than apt-get. apt-get has most of it's features now, but aptitude is still a little more thorough about resolving dependencies. This can lead to problems when doing a full upgrade, so apt-get is recommended for that. |
| 21:13.48 | fernie | panamark: no, but if you get it to work, please let me know. tried it with virtualbox /w ubuntuvm but that did not work as the usb device was lost when the phone rebooted during install.. |
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| 21:14.22 | panamark | ok fernie |
| 21:14.27 | crash__ | jhutchins, is aptitude full-upgrade/safe-upgrade still ok? |
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| 21:15.05 | irn4l | i just hope debian desktop enviroment is not another scheme |
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| 21:15.19 | irn4l | or else debian will never be the best OS ever |
| 21:15.29 | irn4l | it works even better than mac this baby |
| 21:15.34 | joj-monitor | !ops irn4l trolls, very much so |
| 21:15.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: joj-monitor complains about: irn4l trolls, very much so |
| 21:15.50 | jhutchins | crash__: It's usually ok, but it has gotten into dependency loops in the past (etch->lenny iirc), so apt-get is recommended. |
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| 21:16.12 | irn4l | its beats feature its his condemption also, a double edge sword, is free |
| 21:16.13 | jhutchins | panamark: aptitude also has a menued mode and search capabilities. |
| 21:16.32 | mentor | irn4l: Do you actually have a genuine Debian-related query? |
| 21:16.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly is a troll? |
| 21:16.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly is the most helpful person i've run across in here. |
| 21:16.49 | crash__ | jhutchins, ok so i will stick with apt-get for the timing being :) |
| 21:16.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/the most/the only/ |
| 21:16.59 | jhutchins | irn4l: Did you have a Debian support question? General discussion of Debian is more appropriate to #debian-offtopic. |
| 21:17.03 | crash__ | *time |
| 21:17.42 | irn4l | yes i have, when people will have a reliable, fully operational, and without bullshit operative system? |
| 21:17.44 | jhutchins | joj-monitor: Being off-topic is not the same as trolling. |
| 21:17.54 | whozatmac | some poeple here may have reasons to consider debian the best operative system in the world. perhaps not desktop related reasons. . . |
| 21:18.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/operative/operating/ |
| 21:18.15 | abrotman | irn4l: do you need help with Debian? |
| 21:18.21 | whozatmac | sic |
| 21:18.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/operative/operating/g |
| 21:18.30 | irn4l | abrotman, no, im here to help also |
| 21:18.35 | abrotman | irn4l: Doesn't seem that way |
| 21:18.35 | irn4l | not my pockets, the people |
| 21:18.45 | abrotman | irn4l: this channel is for Debian support |
| 21:18.50 | irn4l | GUYS PM ME IF YOU WANT TO SET UP A FIREWALL IN DEBIAN |
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| 21:19.09 | whozatmac | thx |
| 21:19.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | :( |
| 21:19.21 | mentor | Heh |
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| 21:20.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | as trolls go, i found him rather entertaining. |
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| 21:20.24 | metallic | abrotman does not like firewalls |
| 21:20.41 | crash__ | i think he was a bit too much actually :P |
| 21:21.09 | abrotman | .. |
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| 21:21.34 | whozatmac | i did too until the caps. also, what's a firewall? a router with nat? an IDS? a spamfilter? all of the above on one poor little arm chip? |
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| 21:29.49 | sakujo | i have two HTPCs with a nvidia ION from zotac. They are a bit different, though. But very similar (I believe same CPU, chipset, etc.). |
| 21:29.55 | sakujo | Can I set up one and mirror the HD over? |
| 21:30.08 | sakujo | or will there be conflicts due to hardware differences |
| 21:30.34 | valdyn | sakujo: you can just mirror the hd |
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| 21:31.13 | valdyn | sakujo: disk order can matter sometimes, obviously not if you have only 1 disk |
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| 21:31.26 | sakujo | it would be one but they would be set up via UUID of course |
| 21:31.31 | sakujo | i guess that would have to change then |
| 21:31.43 | sakujo | but that part is trivial, i am more concerned about deeper workings of debian |
| 21:31.47 | sakujo | that i don't understand |
| 21:31.49 | valdyn | sakujo: you are mirroring the disks, uuid stays the same |
| 21:31.51 | sakujo | like the modules and libraries |
| 21:31.54 | sakujo | oh it does? |
| 21:31.59 | sakujo | i thought it was like a hardware fingerprint |
| 21:32.10 | valdyn | sakujo: its not, its a random value |
| 21:32.11 | sakujo | thanks valdyn , you have saved me at least 15 minutes of research |
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| 21:32.42 | sakujo | ill just have to make sure i don't wreck the SD card |
| 21:32.50 | sakujo | i have wrecked a USB stick 5 days ago with dd |
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| 21:35.29 | TJ- | sakujo: 'dd' doesn't wreck a device, but if that device is already developing faults, 'dd' may bring them to your notice. |
| 21:36.29 | valdyn | you could do evil things with dd, sync and large blocks on a flash device, *that* would wreck the stick quickly |
| 21:37.23 | sakujo | i followed the debian doc to creating a startup usb stick |
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| 21:37.33 | sakujo | and i ended up with partitions no partition manager recognized |
| 21:37.44 | sakujo | and i kept pumping in commands and now it only shows like 3 GB |
| 21:38.03 | valdyn | sakujo: "dd if=whatever of=flash bs=1 sync", that would wreck it. Default dd should be ok. |
| 21:39.02 | TJ- | valdyn: I'd argue that's a fault in the design of the 'stick' then. Any tool could cause the same thing. Yesterday I 'killed' a USB2 SDXC adapter that had a 32GB micro-SDcard in, simply by repeatedly running my Block Device Integrity Tester against it. The sustained transfers simply burnt out the glob-chip on the adapter's PCB. |
| 21:39.41 | valdyn | TJ-: that dd command cant be fixed by the stick |
| 21:41.21 | valdyn | TJ-: thats really bad hardware, but since theres 500$ laptops without proper cooling system there is of course 5$ crap sdxc adapters |
| 21:41.38 | TJ- | valdyn: I take it you're referring to oflag=sync, not conv=sync? |
| 21:41.52 | valdyn | TJ-: im not sure i got the syntax right |
| 21:42.38 | valdyn | TJ-: hmm, i probably meant dsync |
| 21:42.50 | whozatmac | exit |
| 21:43.25 | whozatmac | sorry, wrong everything. |
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| 21:45.51 | valdyn | TJ-: oflag=sync |
| 21:46.36 | TJ- | valdyn: But again, that's more to do with deficiencies in the wear-levelling/erase-block-size of the flash device, and that manufacturers are trying to shoe-horn a spinning-disk random-access solution onto media that doesn't well-support that |
| 21:47.11 | panamark | apt-get install arduino |
| 21:47.21 | panamark | woot, sorry |
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| 21:52.34 | movic | hi guys |
| 21:53.02 | movic | i have little problem with debian wheezy (rpi), the problem is with dpkg |
| 21:53.11 | movic | im getting erros over and over like this |
| 21:53.16 | movic | files list file for package 'pciutils' is missing final newline |
| 21:53.37 | valdyn | movic: sounds like your filesystem / disk is broken |
| 21:53.39 | movic | im removing this package from dpkg and another packege is showing up as an error |
| 21:54.23 | valdyn | movic: of course there may be an architecture-specific bug, but i wouldnt know about that |
| 21:54.33 | movic | valdyn: is there any way to fix it? Or the only way is to reinstall os? |
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| 21:55.14 | valdyn | movic: you are saying the error keeps reoccurring, so replace the sd card and see if that helps |
| 21:55.20 | tremon | movic: try reinstalling the failing package. But yes, that sounds like filesystem corruption |
| 21:55.42 | movic | the first pacakge was sth like gstreamer |
| 21:55.58 | valdyn | movic: doesnt matter which package it is |
| 21:56.05 | movic | i remove it , reinstall, and other packeg is broken |
| 21:56.23 | tremon | <movic> files list file for package 'pciutils' is missing final newline |
| 21:56.29 | tremon | so, reinstall pciutils? |
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| 21:56.51 | movic | tremon: yup, but it's 4th package |
| 21:57.08 | movic | its waste of time if i'll be reinstall every single package |
| 21:57.16 | tremon | ah, that was just an example, and is this happening with more packages? |
| 21:57.23 | movic | yes |
| 21:58.09 | movic | volter is problably right that this is some king od files syste error |
| 21:58.58 | tremon | hmm. reinstall is probably easiest then. Although you could nuke every filelist (/var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list) and reinstall every package, if you have filesytem corruption there's no telling what else may be borked |
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| 21:59.38 | valdyn | its probably a really bad idea to run debian like that off an sd card |
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| 22:00.18 | volter | movic: I guess that was to valdyn? |
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| 22:00.50 | movic | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 22:01.22 | valdyn | movic: installing an removing causes alot of tiny writes, sd cards dont take that many write cycles |
| 22:01.33 | valdyn | movic: i may be wrong though |
| 22:01.36 | movic | volter: yes |
| 22:01.58 | movic | valdyn: ok, i understand |
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| 22:02.27 | movic | It's raspberry, it will be faster to install clean os |
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| 22:02.50 | movic | any idea what cause that problem? |
| 22:03.22 | movic | *any idea what was the cause of this problem |
| 22:03.27 | valdyn | movic: a) broken sd card or b) software bug in debian - we cant say |
| 22:03.36 | movic | ok |
| 22:03.55 | valdyn | movic: this is why i suggested to replace the sd card - then you may know |
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| 22:09.01 | Klaus_Dieter | I started mounting / as ro on sd-cards and using unionfs to make the system work |
| 22:09.13 | Klaus_Dieter | this actually works quite nicely for raspis |
| 22:09.27 | sakujo | damn i never had that aptitude is stuck upgrading. It shows Unpacking linux-image-... for like 20 minutes now |
| 22:10.03 | tremon | sakujo: anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 22:10.08 | sakujo | nothing |
| 22:10.12 | sakujo | in /var/log/messages neither |
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| 22:11.58 | tremon | if you didn't press scroll-lock or some other combination to stop the screen from updating either, it's probably not doing anything. check top and/or iotop for process activity, otherwise just kill it |
| 22:12.21 | sakujo | i did already kill it |
| 22:12.24 | sakujo | and restarted it |
| 22:12.32 | sakujo | and it gets stuck unpacking the same package again |
| 22:12.33 | tremon | still hanging at the same point? |
| 22:12.43 | tremon | try re-downloading it, maybe it's corrupted |
| 22:13.07 | sakujo | so remove in /var/cache/apt ? |
| 22:13.12 | tremon | yes |
| 22:13.12 | sakujo | or aptitude remove package? |
| 22:13.14 | sakujo | kk |
| 22:13.27 | lyft | hi, whats to easiest way to set up openvpn that I could import certificate bundles and just connect to the servers? I installed openvpn already but when I'm trying to add new VPN connection I have only PPTP option |
| 22:13.29 | tremon | no, don't do apt-get remove on your kernel :) |
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| 22:17.10 | teraflops | lyft: easier than `openvpn client.conf`? |
| 22:17.29 | sakujo | tremon, same :( |
| 22:18.47 | tremon | sakujo: try mounting a tmpfs somewhere, and do dpkg -x $kernel.deb $path_to_tmpfs . That way you can verify if it's the disk writing or the unpacking that's hanging |
| 22:18.57 | sakujo | ty |
| 22:19.12 | lyft | teraflops: Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: client.conf |
| 22:19.21 | teraflops | lyft: ^ |
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| 22:20.59 | sakujo | tremon, extraction works |
| 22:21.09 | sakujo | even on the same disk |
| 22:21.12 | sakujo | when i do it manually |
| 22:21.17 | lyft | teraflops: can you eli5 this to me? |
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| 22:22.04 | sakujo | dpkg -i manually is the same behavior\ |
| 22:22.05 | dpkg | removes a liver from sakujo and replaces it with manually is the same behavior |
| 22:22.15 | tremon | sakujo: did you extract to the real location, or a different one? |
| 22:22.27 | sakujo | i tried a usb stick |
| 22:22.29 | sakujo | and to /tmp |
| 22:22.39 | tremon | sakujo: my guess would be that there is some filesystem corruption on the disk, in one of the dirs where the files need to go |
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| 22:24.01 | tremon | so best to do a filesystem check (if it's your / filesystem, do touch /forcefsck && reboot) |
| 22:24.05 | teraflops | lyft: make one just use the /usr/share/openvpn/examples/client.conf (i think it is there) gen/put the cert and their paths correctly on the file and be sure you provide the full path to the client.conf file, there is plenty of documentation |
| 22:25.03 | teraflops | lyft: having that file you can just import into networkmanager to get a vpn option to connect |
| 22:26.14 | sakujo | the weird thing is the SD card is absolutely new |
| 22:26.18 | sakujo | out of the package |
| 22:26.40 | TJ- | sakujo: Could it be counterfeit/fake capacity? |
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| 22:27.41 | sakujo | it is at 1/16GB right now |
| 22:28.15 | TJ- | sakujo: That's what my BDIT (block device integrity tester) program checks for - it's more thorough and informative than 'f3{write,read}' |
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| 22:28.43 | sakujo | i can try that but it is a SanDisk ordered from official german amazon |
| 22:28.59 | sakujo | could it possibly be counterfeit in that case? |
| 22:29.20 | TJ- | sakujo: Yeah - I bought 2 Sansumg EVO 32GB this week from Amazon, but I still checked them :) |
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| 22:30.34 | sakujo | checking /dev/sda1 yielded no errors |
| 22:31.20 | sakujo | i suppose that is all i can try :/ |
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| 22:39.37 | sakujo | i did remove one of the RAM modules though |
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| 22:39.39 | sakujo | could that be related? |
| 22:39.43 | sakujo | i mean removed and re-attached |
| 22:39.45 | sakujo | to check the label |
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| 22:43.01 | snadge | so the standard debian jessie kernel doesnt seem to include lz4 support for zram.. how can i verify this? |
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| 22:43.34 | deepblue | i need a bash script to quit kaffeine after 30 minutes.any help? |
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| 22:44.02 | sakujo | Could my having disabled the OnChip S-ATA Controller in the BIOS have something to do with the SD card causing a corrupt FS? |
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| 22:45.07 | deepblue | sakujo: sute |
| 22:45.24 | deepblue | sakujo: sure it does |
| 22:45.39 | panamark | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=118941 |
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| 22:46.50 | deepblue | sakujo: akso make sure that there is nothing wring wuth the cabkes and connectuins |
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| 22:49.09 | deepblue | what does smartmontooks say? |
| 22:49.39 | deepblue | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:51.31 | sakujo | i just rebooted |
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| 23:01.11 | valdyn | sakujo: which kernel version are you using on which rasppi? |
| 23:01.15 | pirayce | Good Evening |
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| 23:15.34 | kmai | how can I force the firmware to be loaded by a usb device? |
| 23:16.04 | kmai | I compiled an open source firmware for a wifi dongle and I want to tell the OS to use that instead of the one from linuxwireless.org |
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| 23:17.03 | valdyn | kmai: copy to /lib/firmware/ with the correct filename, regenerate the initrd |
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| 23:17.41 | kmai | and the correct name should be..? |
| 23:19.03 | valdyn | kmai: same as the one from linuxwireless.org or the one packaged in debian |
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| 23:20.07 | kmai | ok, this is for a RPi |
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| 23:22.58 | teraflops | kmai: running what? debian? raspbian? |
| 23:23.08 | kmai | osmc alpha 4 |
| 23:23.13 | kmai | new raspbian |
| 23:24.38 | teraflops | oh so that's not debian? because I miss the `this is a debian suppot channel` people used to tell |
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| 23:25.06 | teraflops | support* |
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| 23:33.08 | Doxin | is there some way to get the previous version of nautilus? because the missing go to parent folder, and "realtime" search are making the latest unusable. |
| 23:33.21 | Doxin | not to mention the load times when opening large folders |
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| 23:36.00 | kWO901 | My virtual Mint doesnt ave internet. using vmware with debian host. mint says connected to ethernet, but no internet. any clue? |
| 23:36.51 | somiaj | Doxin: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:37.12 | Doxin | somiaj: how do I look that up? |
| 23:37.38 | somiaj | Doxin: lsb_release? there are various ways, check your sources.list but hopefully you know what version you are running. Even the codename is fine. |
| 23:38.13 | somiaj | kWO901: how is your internet set up, are you using a virtual network? In which case it may have to be correct set up to access the internet via NAT on your real network, or are you using bridging? |
| 23:38.18 | Doxin | somiaj: jessie |
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| 23:39.14 | somiaj | Doxin: okay, so you are running testing. How old of a version do you need? You can look up previous versions on snapshot.debian.org. Now due to dependencies this may not install cleanly on your current system. |
| 23:39.27 | kWO901 | somiaj: im using nat. |
| 23:39.31 | somiaj | Doxin: the other thing to worry about is with the freeze and security support, running and old/outdated package could cause problems. |
| 23:39.31 | Doxin | somiaj: I havent the foggiest which version they started breaking shit horribly |
| 23:39.44 | kWO901 | somiaj: yes i am using a virtual network |
| 23:40.03 | somiaj | Doxin: the other option is find another file manager you like better (which I would suggest over trying to piece together old or mixed versions of software. Espically in a complex suit of pacakges called gnome) |
| 23:40.09 | Doxin | right |
| 23:40.13 | Doxin | somiaj: got any suggestions? |
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| 23:40.52 | teraflops | Doxin: uhm may be thunar? |
| 23:40.52 | somiaj | Doxin: I use a shell for all my stuff, so I am not familar with filemanagers. I know the xfce people use thumber (or something like that). I used rox-filer a long time ago, but dno't use file managers. Debian has at least 10 you can find intsall and test out. |
| 23:41.06 | somiaj | oh it is thunar...knew it was somethig like that |
| 23:41.51 | somiaj | kWO901: sounds like you need to do basic network debugging thing. From the VM, does it have an ip address? Can you ping that address, can you ping the gateway of the virtual network, can you ping your real network from your virtual network (if not NAT isn't working) |
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| 23:42.40 | somiaj | kWO901: since vmware isn't provided by debian we don't really support it, but of course we will try. But I'm unsure how to configure or deal with their virtual network (my only experience is with libvirt) |
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