| 00:00.32 | aphorise | can I run a i386 build on a x86_64 platform / enviroment? |
| 00:01.13 | kWO901 | somiaj: I got disconnected. im back now. yes i pinged the internal ip and the gateway and they work |
| 00:02.00 | ryouma | what tools are there for doing things like securing debian against attacks where the only evidence is things like running processes? |
| 00:02.29 | ryouma | i am aware of tiger/chkrootkit/rkhunter, but i figured maybe somebody has something better? |
| 00:06.02 | Brigo | ryouma, may be selinux? apparmor or something like this? |
| 00:06.23 | teraflops | kWO901: can you ping a wan ip? i.e ping 8.8.8.8 if yes setup dns properly on the guest |
| 00:07.08 | ryouma | Brigo: hmm |
| 00:07.44 | Brigo | ryouma, securtiy is a entire world itself. |
| 00:08.15 | ryouma | yeah, it's a lot of stuff you have to do to secure a box |
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| 00:09.14 | factor | Does debian have a commandline program to setup proxy scripts ? |
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| 00:10.21 | woshty | why is there no xvba-va-driver package for the legacy drivers in backports? |
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| 00:10.40 | Nojja | o/ |
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| 00:19.43 | somiaj | kWO901: so where is the failure? Can you not get correctly NATd from the virt network to the outside world? |
| 00:20.35 | somiaj | aphorise: what do you mean by i386 build? Such as a binary. Should run if you have the correct i386 libs installed via multiarch. |
| 00:21.29 | kWO901 | teraflops: ping 8 8 8 8 from the guest , right?> |
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| 00:21.56 | teraflops | kWO901: yes |
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| 00:22.01 | kWO901 | teraflops: I pinged and works |
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| 00:22.13 | yoda | an old stupid problem that most people are aware about... here it is 1) given just an archive file like tar.gz ,...etc on linux or unix based systems 1a) if the archive is a binary 1b) if the archive is a source that needs to be compiled... resolving all dependences issues and getting it to work. Obviously if one had the oppertunity to uses .deb or .rpm these would resolve most dependence issues but assuming no package manager how c |
| 00:22.13 | yoda | an you get these to run |
| 00:22.26 | acz32 | is there any GUI process monitor that works in debian? top/htop just isn't my thing |
| 00:22.27 | teraflops | kWO901: then setup dns prorely on that guest |
| 00:22.35 | teraflops | properly* |
| 00:22.35 | kWO901 | somiaj: yes i ont have internet in the virtual machine |
| 00:22.36 | yoda | 1a) I have a solution that will work in almost ever possible cases |
| 00:22.50 | kWO901 | teraflops: how |
| 00:22.55 | yoda | 1b) i am curious of ideas |
| 00:23.28 | acz32 | i'm looking for something like windows' task manager or apple's activity monitor |
| 00:23.46 | kWO901 | acz32: htop ? |
| 00:24.28 | kWO901 | acz32: type "htop" in a terminal |
| 00:24.31 | yoda | can you tell configure to generate make files that will statically link everything |
| 00:24.37 | teraflops | kWO901: ^ add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" to /etc/resolv.conf just below the search line |
| 00:24.45 | yoda | if so that would be a solution |
| 00:25.19 | acz32 | kWO901: i am looking for a GUI activity monitor |
| 00:25.32 | acz32 | and htop isn't installed by default so you can't just type htop |
| 00:26.14 | kWO901 | teraflops: my /etc/resolv.conf file contains only one line that reads: # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 00:26.29 | teraflops | kWO901: then add that line |
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| 00:27.03 | OSVG | kWO901: Just FYI, you may want to actually add your DNS through NetworkManager then, or disable it, as it will overwrite your config if you just add it and then make any changes. |
| 00:27.25 | somiaj | kWO901: if you are using network manager you may want to tell network manager what nameserver to use, as it coudl overwrite that file. |
| 00:27.25 | kWO901 | teraflops: now it works. that did the job |
| 00:27.46 | OSVG | kWO901: Seriously, if you make any changes to your network NM will overwrite that file. |
| 00:27.54 | somiaj | or use a package like resolv.conf and configre it to always add additional nameservers |
| 00:28.08 | somiaj | sorry resolvconf or openresolv |
| 00:28.41 | kWO901 | thank you ter OSVG somiaj thx guys. |
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| 00:28.52 | kWO901 | thank you teraflops OSVG somiaj thx guys. |
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| 00:31.46 | spTollway | teraflops: doesn't dhclient overright the /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 00:34.26 | somiaj | spTollway: Many things can and will, resolvconf does solve that though. |
| 00:34.40 | sirEgghead | I have a server that I have used most of my local disk space for LVM. I have 40G used for root. Most of my server storage is on an iSCSI device that I have mounted at /var/mounts/iscsi1. Today I log on to find that my root is full. I deleted 24G worth of logs and it is still saying 100%. That leaves me to believe that some files may have been saved under /var/mounts/iscsi1 that didn't actually make it onto the iSCSI device. |
| 00:34.40 | sirEgghead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:36.09 | jhutchins | sirEgghead: Unmount the iscsi device, see if file have indeed been written to the local disk. It would probably be a good idea to do a shutdown -Fr now to check the root filesystem. |
| 00:36.51 | sirEgghead | jhutchins, the problem that I have with disconnecting the iscsi is I have a lot of LXC containers running connected to it. |
| 00:37.05 | teraflops | spTollway: i do not know if kwO901 were using NM if that true and he is getting ip by dhcp it'll get blank |
| 00:37.09 | garn32 | I have an acer aspire E 11 with jessie currently installed that will not shut down properly via: shutdown, sync && poweroff -f, sync && reboot -f any one have any clues on this? |
| 00:37.12 | sirEgghead | jhutchins, would there be any other way? |
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| 00:39.44 | teraflops | spTollway: and yes it does (by default) |
| 00:39.50 | sirEgghead | I also have other items mounted at /var/mounts. My LVM mounts are in there. I have 3 volume groups. vg_sata, vg_10k, and vg_15k. My LXC containers are on vg_sata at /var/mounts/vms |
| 00:40.23 | sirEgghead | So it could possibly be in there as well that the rogue data is stored. Would be best if we can locate it without unmounting everything. |
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| 00:44.58 | sirEgghead | jhutchins, given those circumstances, do you, it would be possible to locate the rogue data without dismounting everything? |
| 00:45.14 | sirEgghead | Sorry, i typod a bit in there. |
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| 00:54.06 | acz32 | can htop consolidate all processes for a program under one entry line? |
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| 01:09.26 | spTollway | and noatime when mounting it |
| 01:09.45 | spTollway | -j -m 0 |
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| 01:15.28 | cherrycake | Why does Debian maintain patches for the kernel and other packages instead of having them included in vanilla patches? |
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| 01:15.41 | sirEgghead | I umounted all my iSCSI and LVM mounts and I'm only seeing 14G used on / but df -h shows 100% of 47G used on /. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:15.49 | sirEgghead | 37G* |
| 01:16.02 | sirEgghead | jhutchins, I followed your instructions. |
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| 01:25.30 | intelikey | ug: i wish i hadn't fixed the pointy clicky thingy now. the new guake doesn't allow right nor dubble click. ;/ |
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| 01:26.11 | intelikey | i mean it steals right click and opens the menu rather than pasting highlighted |
| 01:26.44 | intelikey | or is it lxde that is controlling that ? |
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| 01:33.24 | intelikey | build from source only ??? |
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| 01:34.04 | intelikey | talks to self some more "blah blah blah" |
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| 03:24.32 | dandkburt1 | hi |
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| 03:52.23 | sakujo | when upgrading to jessie i have a dependency issue. db5.1-util cannot be upgraded, so i have 3 options: a) remove db5.1-util b) remove python2.6 and another package c) keep db5.1-util at its current version (5.1.29-5) |
| 03:52.32 | sakujo | any idea what would resemble a clean jessie install? |
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| 03:53.28 | dandkburt1 | have you looked to see if there was a newer ver of python? |
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| 03:55.56 | themill | sakujo: apt should figure out that you don't need db5.1-util or python2.6 any more and offer to get rid of them for you. |
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| 03:56.19 | sakujo | yes i just wonder which one to get rid off |
| 03:56.23 | themill | sakujo: that it is not doing so probably means there's some 3rd party package installed that wants those packages installed |
| 03:56.57 | sakujo | nah it is a clear install and the first thing i did was stable -> testing |
| 03:57.07 | sakujo | it is the one package that is being kept back |
| 03:57.16 | themill | :( |
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| 03:57.26 | dandkburt1 | I would remove the python then |
| 03:57.34 | dandkburt1 | see if it will go past |
| 03:57.47 | plt | I am getting this error when I type apt-get install mysql-workbench mysql-workbench : Depends: mysql-client |
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| 03:57.52 | themill | Nothing in jessie really need either of those packages |
| 03:58.09 | plt | I tried typing apt-get -f install to fix it but its not working. |
| 03:58.24 | dandkburt1 | plt: do you have mysql-client installed |
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| 03:59.20 | plt | I tried install apt-get install mysql-client mysql-client : Depends: mysql-client-5.5 but it is not going to be installed Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 03:59.41 | dandkburt1 | if so do an apt-get update |
| 03:59.47 | plt | I already did that |
| 03:59.47 | dandkburt1 | see if that fixes it |
| 04:00.00 | plt | No |
| 04:00.24 | dandkburt1 | then you might have to remove packages to find out which one is not working right |
| 04:00.30 | plt | What else can I do to fix it? |
| 04:00.56 | dandkburt1 | themill: does debian have a self checker |
| 04:01.36 | plt | The following packages have unmet dependencies: mysql-client : Depends: mysql-client-5.5 but it is not going to be installed |
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| 04:02.13 | dandkburt1 | what are you useing to install them, CLI |
| 04:02.50 | themill | dandkburt1: "self checker" |
| 04:02.51 | themill | ? |
| 04:03.05 | dandkburt1 | a way to check for clashing applets |
| 04:03.19 | dandkburt1 | or tampered files |
| 04:03.30 | plt | I tried to remove mysql-client and that did not work. |
| 04:03.49 | dandkburt1 | plt: |
| 04:03.54 | dandkburt1 | what are you useing to install them, CLI |
| 04:04.02 | plt | apt-get |
| 04:04.41 | dandkburt1 | many applications and webmanagers use apt-get |
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| 04:04.53 | dandkburt1 | are you using CLI |
| 04:05.01 | dandkburt1 | or a manager |
| 04:06.55 | plt | I will be back later. |
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| 04:08.08 | nezZario | Sigh |
| 04:08.29 | nezZario | Ok, if I moved my apt target from 'testing' to 'jessie', would it replace my init system, again, with systemd? |
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| 04:11.13 | themill | dandkburt1: debsums checks that files are not corrupted. It's not really a security tool though. apt already knows about Conflicts so an additional tool is not needed |
| 04:11.37 | dandkburt1 | thats what I understood |
| 04:11.45 | dandkburt1 | I was just curious |
| 04:12.13 | dandkburt1 | do you know anyone that is board and is good with debian? |
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| 04:34.18 | lanodan | nezZario: nope, because you donât need to do an dist-upgrade for it |
| 04:37.07 | hikenboot | hi how do i search for find / -iname "/home/users" where I am searching for the actual subpath somewhere of /home/users (it exists somewhere in a chroot folder but I have lost it in my 10TB of used space...thanks in advance |
| 04:37.18 | lanodan | dandkburt1: btw: apt-get is a CLI tool, aptitude a TUI tool, synaptics a GUI |
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| 04:38.54 | lanodan | hikenboot: have you tryed using locate ? (find is fine but It need to look up every directory so it kinda suck) |
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| 04:42.12 | hikenboot | yes I cant seem to get the command to actually search for /somewhere on hard drive/somepath/somesubpath/... |
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| 04:47.34 | kWO901 | how can i make VLC to start where it was when i closed it? |
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| 04:48.50 | lanodan | I donât know but I donât remember that VLC saves were youâve stopped/crashed in a temporary file |
| 04:49.16 | lanodan | (Iâve used VLC something like 2 years ago) |
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| 04:51.03 | wh0isthis | hi |
| 04:51.27 | wh0isthis | my wired connection are disconnecting and then connecting back. |
| 04:51.41 | wh0isthis | without any changes from me |
| 04:51.43 | wh0isthis | why? |
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| 04:53.48 | sakujo | themill, i was just too impatient before -,- |
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| 05:02.08 | Guest7811 | I am getting a error message after I type apt-get install mysql-workbench. Can you take a look at this http://pastebin.com/MxpJMyLM |
| 05:04.03 | Rusty1 | Guest7811: how did you install debian? |
| 05:04.03 | Guest7811 | This does not fix it apt-get -f install' |
| 05:04.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell Guest7811 -about ubuntu |
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| 05:04.29 | Guest7811 | apt-get install mysql-workbench. I am using Debian wheezy |
| 05:05.46 | Guest7811 | I already tried apt-get update. |
| 05:06.13 | Rusty1 | Guest7811: update seems not to be looking at any debian repos, that may be the problem |
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| 05:06.50 | Rusty1 | trusty is not debian by any means |
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| 05:07.20 | Guest7811 | What me to put that on pastebin.org? |
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| 05:07.32 | Rusty1 | go ahead |
| 05:07.50 | Guest7811 | is it in the /etc/repo directory? |
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| 05:08.59 | Rusty1 | paste the output of: inxi -r , from a terminal - that might tell us |
| 05:09.10 | Guest7811 | me? |
| 05:09.47 | Rusty1 | Guest7811: yes, make it: sudo inxi -r |
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| 05:12.36 | Guest7811 | http://pastebin.com/A1fBRC8f |
| 05:13.03 | Guest7811 | Maybe this is ubuntu and not debian |
| 05:13.24 | Rusty1 | Guest7811: you are clearly not running debian |
| 05:13.31 | Guest7811 | Sorry |
| 05:13.55 | Rusty1 | #ubuntu is the proper channel for help |
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| 07:13.20 | kWO901 | I was installing VLC and got asked is i want tp kill KDE to continue. now i cant eneter the grahic mode |
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| 07:14.22 | kWO901 | any clue? |
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| 07:15.17 | lrvick | selinux-policy-default seems to have been removed in jessie. |
| 07:15.23 | lrvick | where has this moved? |
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| 07:19.39 | valdyn | !why is selinux-policy-default not in testing |
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| 07:19.40 | dpkg | selinux-policy-default is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=selinux-policy-default |
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| 07:22.26 | kWO901 | anyone around? |
| 07:22.39 | itry | Hello! I have an old debian 6.0 server that is happily chucking along, serving a million users a month via a lamp stack. When and how would you guys update it to something more modern? |
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| 07:23.59 | lrvick | You are getting a million users to function on Apache still? That is kind of impressive. I would say at least investigate nginx. |
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| 07:24.23 | itry | lrvick: no performance issues. i jus want to keep it updated for security reasons. |
| 07:24.45 | itry | lrvick: as i understand it, it is on some "legcy repos" now and i don't know how long they will be served. |
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| 07:25.11 | lrvick | Yeah at least update to wheezy imo |
| 07:25.16 | valdyn | !squeeze |
| 07:25.16 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and was the <oldstable> release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze security support ended on 2014-05-31, but ask me about <squeeze-lts>. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.10>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 07:25.17 | themill | itry: somewhere between wheezy coming out and squeeze being unsupported... so a year or two ago |
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| 07:25.33 | kWO901 | Aggregation not enabled for tid 0 because load =6 <<< what is this error? I cant log into gui mode |
| 07:25.40 | itry | themill: what was a year ago? |
| 07:26.54 | lrvick | itry: squeeze is unsupported so the community is no longer looking out for your security. |
| 07:27.09 | itry | lrvick: it is still getting security updates from somewhere. i think i asked in this channel once and was told to add something to the repos to make this work. |
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| 07:27.28 | kWO901 | lrvick: do u have anu idea about my issue described above? |
| 07:27.28 | valdyn | itry: thats squeeze-lts |
| 07:27.51 | itry | valdyn: does "squeeze" mean "debian 6"? |
| 07:28.01 | themill | itry: squeeze-lts exists but is struggling to keep up. |
| 07:28.01 | valdyn | itry: yes |
| 07:28.16 | itry | ok, so for how long will it be supported and what will i do then? |
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| 07:28.26 | valdyn | itry: you should upgrade now |
| 07:28.28 | lrvick | itry: unless you have some really good blocker reason, you should update. |
| 07:28.43 | itry | what do you mean with "update"? |
| 07:29.11 | itry | "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 07:29.14 | valdyn | itry: to wheezy |
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| 07:29.19 | valdyn | itry: hell no |
| 07:29.29 | valdyn | itry: you are claiming a million users |
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| 07:30.02 | valdyn | itry: thats probably way off? |
| 07:30.09 | itry | no, its correct. |
| 07:30.22 | lrvick | A million hits perhaps, uniques? wat |
| 07:30.32 | valdyn | itry: just set up a new server, clone the site, as soon as its working fine you can switch the old one off |
| 07:30.36 | lrvick | a million users that use your site once a month? |
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| 07:31.01 | itry | valdyn: yes, i was thinking about that. but i have a lot of complicated shit set up that involves IPs etc. so it would be a pain. |
| 07:31.05 | itry | lrvick: yes |
| 07:31.07 | lrvick | You must be incredibly vertically scaled and even then... |
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| 07:31.34 | itry | lrvick: "vertically scaled"? |
| 07:31.58 | valdyn | one request per 2 seconds isnt rocket science |
| 07:32.02 | lrvick | I can take down pretty much any apacke server with 5 lines of python with greentheaded http calls or seige emulating a few thousand users. Give me an ip, ill simulate a million users and lets see if it stays online. |
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| 07:32.11 | lrvick | one per 2 seconds is pretty trivial sure |
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| 07:32.35 | lrvick | ok so by no means 1 million connected users... ok. |
| 07:32.38 | kWO901 | guys i cant eneter graphic mode |
| 07:32.40 | valdyn | i think hes talking about requests, mnot users |
| 07:32.42 | lrvick | one every 2 seconds you could run on a raspberry pi |
| 07:32.47 | lrvick | valdyn: yeah he must be |
| 07:32.49 | itry | lrvick: you might. but what would that prove? in real life, many requests don't go through the cdn. |
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| 07:33.00 | itry | valdyn: users |
| 07:33.31 | lrvick | itry: how many activly connected at any one moment? |
| 07:33.54 | itry | so you guys say: fire up a second server, install a newer debian version, set the system up and then change the dns to the new server? |
| 07:33.57 | lrvick | evn 50 at once will crush most apache configuratios |
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| 07:34.03 | lrvick | sure |
| 07:34.10 | lrvick | got side tracked |
| 07:34.27 | jhuebner | itry: nothing else |
| 07:34.30 | valdyn | itry: not exactly, but something like that |
| 07:34.33 | kWO901 | i cant eneter graphic mode |
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| 07:34.55 | itry | lrvick: on the apache, i don't know. i route a lot through a cdn. in analytics, i had "4000 users active on the site right now" lately. |
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| 07:35.06 | kWO901 | so much gay offtopic and i need serious help |
| 07:35.48 | itry | ok. so second server. and when? how long will debian 6 be supported? |
| 07:35.48 | valdyn | lrvick: as long as you do this in a way where you can switch back to the working server till things you are solid, yes |
| 07:35.48 | lrvick | itry: oh so you are not serving the users directly, you are serving the cdn which caches and serves to the users. -that- makes sense. |
| 07:35.55 | valdyn | itry: ^^ |
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| 07:36.03 | jhuebner | kwo901: ask serious questions then :P |
| 07:36.04 | lrvick | apache would cry itself to sleep. |
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| 07:36.18 | kWO901 | jhuebner: I did |
| 07:36.23 | lrvick | kWO901: i prefer straight offtopic personally. |
| 07:36.24 | kWO901 | Aggregation not enabled for tid 0 because load =6 <<< what is this error? I cant log into gui mode |
| 07:36.29 | lrvick | kWO901: but i won't judge |
| 07:36.31 | itry | lrvick: yes, many hits go through the cdn. not all. its a quite complex system. been working on it for 10 years now. |
| 07:37.08 | valdyn | itry: themill already said that lts is not working that well - so thats the situation now - we cant tell or know how long that situation will be or how long lts will exist at all |
| 07:37.23 | itry | valdyn: lts has no defined end of life? |
| 07:37.27 | kWO901 | jhuebner: any clue about my issue? |
| 07:37.28 | lrvick | Yea burn 6.0 asap |
| 07:37.35 | valdyn | itry: its a volunteer effort |
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| 07:38.04 | valdyn | itry: most done by companies for *themselves* as far as i know - so it will be around as long as enough of those companies run squeeze |
| 07:38.25 | lrvick | And "when they feel like it" so, big 0-day patch goes into newer builds? It gets to you when it gets to you. |
| 07:38.28 | itry | valdyn: aha... maybe it will be supported another 50 years then :) |
| 07:38.32 | jhuebner | itry: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140424.en.html |
| 07:38.43 | jhuebner | February 2016, itry |
| 07:38.46 | lrvick | You want to get important patches asap, otherwise you are vulnerable for an added undefined amount of time. |
| 07:38.46 | valdyn | itry: like that, yes |
| 07:38.53 | valdyn | itry: or 50 days |
| 07:39.13 | itry | the debian wiki says "however long term support for the distribution is going to be extended until February 2016, i.e. five years after the initial release. " |
| 07:39.34 | jhuebner | and if you are not at squeeze-lts right now your system has quite some vulnerabilities |
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| 07:39.39 | lrvick | security is hard enough without running super old stuff no one cares about anymore waiting for back-port handouts. |
| 07:39.44 | jhuebner | in bash, glib and probably openssl |
| 07:39.44 | valdyn | itry: typically debian releases are supported much longer than any announcement sais |
| 07:39.53 | valdyn | itry: but this is not guaranteed |
| 07:39.57 | jhuebner | *glibc |
| 07:40.08 | itry | valdyn: ok. so i can deal with this in january 2016. |
| 07:40.39 | jhuebner | no, you plan now and migrate asap if you're serious about that site |
| 07:40.48 | itry | jhuebner: why? |
| 07:40.51 | valdyn | itry: if you are lucky enough that all your packages that matter are supported, yes |
| 07:41.02 | lrvick | itry: Spin up new system, copy over data, get new system up and running, cut over DNS. should take like 3 hours of your life, tops. |
| 07:41.23 | kWO901 | Aggregation not enabled for tid 0 because load =6 <<< what is this error? I cant log into gui mode |
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| 07:41.51 | jhuebner | itry: does anyone make any money out of that site? it's grossly negligent not to act |
| 07:42.01 | lrvick | ^ |
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| 07:42.31 | itry | lrvick: if it was that easy, i would do it this weekend. |
| 07:43.04 | kWO901 | :( |
| 07:43.11 | lrvick | itry: its just a lamp stack? Do you have some comple dependencies on old versions of software? |
| 07:43.17 | itry | lrvick: my gut tells me it will be two days of work. |
| 07:43.18 | lrvick | coplex* |
| 07:43.43 | lrvick | Hire me for 3 hours then ;-) |
| 07:44.11 | itry | lrvick: thats one of the questions. how will the system behave on new versions of apache and mysql. new versions of curl. imagmagick and what not. |
| 07:44.14 | themill | depends what sort of php crap you've got there |
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| 07:45.35 | itry | and then i will have a spare server laying around for a year or something. |
| 07:45.37 | jhuebner | you'll not get around doing work, including testing. that's why it's a bad idea to wait until january next year. |
| 07:45.58 | itry | ok, so we discussed the when. |
| 07:46.00 | jhuebner | well, why are you whining/complaining, that's normal sysadmin work |
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| 07:46.18 | itry | to which version of debian would you guys update? 7? |
| 07:46.33 | lrvick | I agree with jhuebner. If you are being paid to maintain this server, or it has user data on it you are responsible for, not acting now is gross negligence. |
| 07:46.48 | lrvick | And could even land you in court, if someone was so motivated. |
| 07:47.09 | jhuebner | for production i'd always chose stable, so yes, for the moment 7 |
| 07:47.14 | itry | lrvick: anybody can bring anyone to court any time. |
| 07:47.16 | themill | itry: you can't skip releases when upgrading |
| 07:47.36 | itry | themill: with "update" i mean "install a new server" |
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| 07:48.17 | jhuebner | if it was clear that debian 8 was ready in fall i'd go for that instead - but it isn't, afaik |
| 07:48.28 | kWO901 | how is that logon streen called? |
| 07:48.37 | themill | You've got every bit as good security support with jessie as you currently have with squeeze (probably better, in fact) |
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| 07:48.58 | lrvick | I run jessie in production for my community shell server #yolo |
| 07:49.12 | jhuebner | kwo901: it looks like the error message you posted is related to wifi, not graphical stuff |
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| 07:49.53 | kWO901 | jhuebner:ok. i had similiar problem before but i dont rememever what i needed to install |
| 07:50.08 | kWO901 | it was something related to the logon streen |
| 07:50.49 | itry | when debian 8 comes out - is it a good idea to immediately use it for a production system? or would you wait some months after the release? |
| 07:50.50 | lrvick | speaking of jessie: The init process (PID 1) is running in an incorrect domain.when i try to run check-selinux-installation |
| 07:50.53 | lrvick | ideas? |
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| 07:51.15 | lrvick | itry: immediate imo. They spend a very long time releasing for a reason. |
| 07:51.23 | itry | ok |
| 07:51.27 | jhuebner | i agree with lrvick |
| 07:51.57 | itry | 1502 bugs to go: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 07:52.35 | itry | but maybe i read that graph wrong |
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| 07:53.01 | valdyn | Number concerning the next release: 156 |
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| 07:53.10 | itry | ok. 156 bugs to go :) |
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| 07:53.59 | jhuebner | nonetheless i'd setup a testing environment for the migration _now_ |
| 07:54.03 | itry | looking at the graph, one could estimate that will go to 0 in two months or so. |
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| 07:55.05 | jhuebner | since jessie is frozen you shouldn't expect problems after the stable release |
| 07:55.52 | itry | ok, thank you for your input guys! it helped me a lot! |
| 07:56.54 | itry | oh, while we are at it... how long will debian 8 be supported? |
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| 07:58.30 | itry | "The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released" hmm... |
| 07:58.31 | jhuebner | total lifetime is around 1000 days |
| 07:58.46 | jhuebner | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Release_statistics |
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| 07:59.13 | itry | hmmm... thats pretty short. |
| 07:59.22 | jhuebner | expect around three years, five for lts |
| 07:59.31 | itry | 8 will be lts? |
| 08:00.21 | jhuebner | that's why people go with rolling release distributions. but that brings you other problems like change in major php versions which often requires code changes in the web applicazion etc.. |
| 08:00.25 | kWO901 | picpaste.com/image-aRrfM1zw.jpg <<< does these errors help geting a clue? |
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| 08:02.29 | valdyn | kWO901: looks like you are breaking your dedian by using debian-multimedia |
| 08:02.37 | valdyn | kWO901: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:03.02 | itry | ok, thanks again everybody! this was very informative! |
| 08:03.05 | itry | bye |
| 08:03.32 | kWO901 | valdyn: all I am on txt mode |
| 08:03.48 | kWO901 | its very difficult to show my sources. |
| 08:03.50 | valdyn | !pastewithoutx |
| 08:03.50 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 08:04.09 | kWO901 | valdyn: what i did is trying to install the latest vlc from backports |
| 08:05.14 | valdyn | kWO901: "apt-get -f install" |
| 08:05.44 | kWO901 | valdyn: ok i will try the above commad and get back |
| 08:05.46 | valdyn | kWO901: doesnt really matter what you tried to install, the error was only exposed by that, not created by that |
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| 08:09.06 | kWO901 | back. command worked and now i can install apps |
| 08:09.22 | kWO901 | however i still didnt get the gui logon so im still in text mode |
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| 08:10.09 | valdyn | kWO901: dont know what your gui logon is, probably gdm |
| 08:10.18 | valdyn | kWO901: "apt-get install gdm" |
| 08:10.29 | kWO901 | valdyn: ok brb |
| 08:10.34 | valdyn | kWO901: (or gdm3) |
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| 08:12.35 | kWO901 | package gdm has no instalation candidate |
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| 08:14.04 | kWO901 | valdyn: |
| 08:14.10 | kWO901 | do u know another? |
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| 08:18.45 | kWO901 | worked now. thank you |
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| 08:27.32 | Name141 | what's the ETA of "jessie" ? |
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| 08:34.01 | iveevue | Name141, some time this year |
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| 08:35.27 | kellnola | it includes Mate, I can't wait for that |
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| 08:40.04 | Name141 | Ah, so no big rush to backup anything yet.. |
| 08:40.41 | kellnola | I'm using Mint now, don't know why I'm putting up with it. I have half a mind to just use wheezy and not wait |
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| 08:41.08 | kellnola | but messing with the home desktop is kind of a chore |
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| 09:21.28 | Name141 | so I installed real debian |
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| 09:34.49 | eyebrowns | in my Mumble program settings window dont react on keypresses, so i cant set Push-To-Talk button. help? |
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| 09:36.03 | Sackatt | Hi |
| 09:36.03 | eyebrowns | i have 2 machines, on first one it works properly, and on second one is not. Debian testing x86 |
| 09:36.15 | Sackatt | what is the most popular desktop enviroment with debian? |
| 09:36.24 | eyebrowns | gnome, then xfce |
| 09:36.35 | Sackatt | oh |
| 09:36.50 | Sackatt | you mean gnome with the 'activities' thing? |
| 09:37.06 | eyebrowns | i didnt used gnome for years, i dunno. im using xfce |
| 09:37.20 | eyebrowns | and planning to move onto i3 |
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| 09:38.06 | Sackatt | i3? |
| 09:38.36 | eyebrowns | yes, its seems to be good tiling window manager. no moree unused space |
| 09:38.48 | TheFrenchFries | +1 for i3 |
| 09:39.03 | verri | how does it compare to dwm? |
| 09:39.36 | Sackatt | i dont like gnome |
| 09:39.43 | eyebrowns | and Apple will pissoff boiled water, when realize they didnt patented tiling style |
| 09:39.51 | Sackatt | was just looking for a nice lightweight alternative |
| 09:40.30 | eyebrowns | then xfce |
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| 09:41.05 | eyebrowns | i just still seek for extra tools for i3 to manage brightness, touchpad etc |
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| 09:43.38 | eyebrowns | so does anyone know where Qt app may store some configuration or depend on some, so my Mumble (it uses Qt toolkit) wont work properly |
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| 09:45.26 | eyebrowns | just so dumb i cant set button in settings so i cant talk |
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| 09:47.20 | eyebrowns | here is versions of dependencies http://paste.debian.net/147934/ |
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| 10:10.16 | mjt | when installing a package, a set of other packages are being installed as well. How to tell the dependency chains? |
| 10:10.28 | lrvick | Anyone know where I can g a default selinux policy for jessie since selinux-policy-default is apparently gone? |
| 10:10.41 | mjt | eg I want to install asterisk server, but it tries to install quite some X11 stuff and gnupg2 |
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| 10:20.34 | dutchfish | mjt, aptitude why and apt-rdepends |
| 10:21.17 | dutchfish | mjt, you can disable recommends and get away with that most of the times |
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| 10:22.38 | dutchfish | mjt, and if you want it fancy use dot |
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| 10:26.49 | mjt | dutchfish: thanks. For fun, aptitude isn't installed here, I thought apt-get can do that using some debugging options. |
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| 10:27.22 | mjt | meanwhile I fond all the why the hard way, trying to install -s each direct dependency in turn |
| 10:27.35 | dutchfish | mjt, ah ok, i just checked it and there are no deps on X11 when it comes to asterisk itself |
| 10:27.44 | mjt | and I turned off install-recommends about 10 years ago :) |
| 10:27.45 | dutchfish | mjt, (jessie) |
| 10:28.03 | dutchfish | mjt, ok |
| 10:29.11 | dutchfish | mjt, apt-rdepends asterisk | grep X11 |
| 10:29.46 | mjt | yup, no deps on X11, hence I asked. it is libgpgme11 which depends on gnupg2 which pulls X11 stuff |
| 10:30.07 | dutchfish | mjt, yes, that might be |
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| 10:45.13 | pirayce | Hello, good morning |
| 10:45.26 | pirayce | is there a way to use the CLI as a web browser? |
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| 10:46.19 | valdyn | pirayce: lynx , w3m, elinks ... |
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| 10:46.42 | SynrG | links and all its variants |
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| 10:47.35 | lrvick | Am I a horrible person if I put custom man pages in /etc so I can make sure they are tracked by etckeeper? |
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| 10:49.07 | valdyn | lrvick: you could just use git directly |
| 10:49.16 | valdyn | lrvick: why dont you? |
| 10:49.56 | lrvick | etckeeper keeps the .git folder in /etc/.git so its all relative to that |
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| 10:50.07 | valdyn | lrvick: so? |
| 10:50.31 | lrvick | So I can't track files from /usr/local/man |
| 10:50.48 | valdyn | lrvick: of course, but why dont you use git directly for the manpages? |
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| 10:51.25 | lrvick | Well the plan wto put them in /etc/man and commit them directly... |
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| 10:51.30 | lrvick | then update manpath |
| 10:51.41 | lrvick | just wondering if that is a terrible idea for some reason i can't think of atm |
| 10:51.49 | SynrGy | i can |
| 10:52.01 | SynrGy | etc holds private information. man pages are (or should be) public |
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| 10:52.04 | valdyn | lrvick: it conflates diffs on package upgrade or config change with something totally unrelated |
| 10:52.24 | SynrGy | collaboration makes free software work |
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| 10:52.38 | valdyn | lrvick: if you are fine with that, then theres no problem, you can put anything into etc |
| 10:52.45 | lrvick | SynrGy: I have all private files in /etc .gitignored, thus my entire etc dir is actually public |
| 10:52.53 | lrvick | SynrGy: so anyone can submit pull requests for roto config changes |
| 10:53.11 | lrvick | SynrGy: its about as open as it gets |
| 10:53.14 | lrvick | heh |
| 10:53.22 | SynrGy | interesting |
| 10:53.25 | lrvick | https://github.com/hashbang/shell-etc |
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| 10:54.48 | SynrGy | but is that driven off of etckeeper? |
| 10:55.00 | lrvick | a combination of etckeeper and manual |
| 10:55.03 | lrvick | depending |
| 10:55.22 | SynrGy | personally, i would create a separate repo per unrelated thing. but that's just me. |
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| 10:55.43 | lrvick | so dotfiles is its own repo (/etc/skel) |
| 10:55.43 | SynrGy | so no, you're not a horrible person |
| 10:55.56 | lrvick | but the rest are the core set of configs needed to deploy new shell servers |
| 10:56.01 | lrvick | as we are preparing tos cale horizontally |
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| 10:56.07 | lrvick | and want to keep them all in sync |
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| 10:58.36 | lrvick | '/etc/man/man7/hashbang.7' is populated and I have "MANDATORY_MANPATH /etc/man" in /etc/manpath.config |
| 10:58.41 | lrvick | ran mandb, still does not see them |
| 10:58.46 | lrvick | does it hate /etc for some odd reason? |
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| 11:05.28 | Dolip | Hello there, I'm running Debian 8. I have an Intel HD Graphics 4000. But I can't get 3D acceleration (extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"), any help ? |
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| 11:12.13 | centrx | Dolip, Do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed? |
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| 11:13.10 | Dolip | Yes |
| 11:13.29 | Dolip | 2D sounds fine, window do not freeze while being moved. |
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| 11:20.56 | Dolip | Somehow, # dpkg-reconfigure glx-alternative-mesa and a reboot did the job. |
| 11:21.00 | Dolip | Have a good day ! |
| 11:21.22 | centrx | Cheers |
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| 11:32.51 | woshty | why is hardware acceleration so utterly useless .. ? (rhetorical) |
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| 11:36.36 | centrx | There is no hardware. It's all software |
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| 11:40.42 | trewas | gnome 3 (and windows 8) do hardware acceleration of graphics all in software if hardware is not up to it |
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| 12:26.52 | helmut | asking, cause networkmanager breaks the /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d integration provided by ntp |
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| 12:39.24 | helmut | also known as #627343 *sigh* |
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| 12:39.53 | JustinZ | Hey everyone, trying to install debian 7.8 on my PC and setup has come up asking for ethernet driver as it couldn't find mine. It's a Qualcomm AR8171 chips, which one should I use? |
| 12:39.55 | helmut | oh and #537358 |
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| 13:02.45 | jcelerier | Hello :) I am having some trouble with setting up samba shares. |
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| 13:02.52 | jcelerier | I followed this guide : https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Simple_Samba_Shares_in_Debian |
| 13:03.05 | jcelerier | only changed the shared path |
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| 13:03.14 | jcelerier | but my windows boxes keep asking me a username/password |
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| 13:03.49 | jcelerier | I tried host\{Guest,guest,nobody,Nobody,(nothing)} as well as my username / passwords on the Debian box |
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| 13:04.29 | centrx | jcelerier, public = yes |
| 13:04.30 | centrx | ? |
| 13:05.01 | jcelerier | centrx: I'm behind a nat anyway |
| 13:05.26 | centrx | Yes, but is the share set with that option |
| 13:05.26 | matu | Hi, i would like to use the display port from my thinkpad ultrabase in order to connect the laptop to my hdmi screen, does it work out the box ? |
| 13:05.32 | jcelerier | centrx: yes |
| 13:06.22 | jcelerier | here is my smb.conf : http://hastebin.com/celucavela.hs |
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| 13:07.12 | centrx | jcelerier, I am recalling something about newer versions of Windows (NT and up) always requiring username and passwords? |
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| 13:29.25 | aquilacode | Hello everyone, I was looking in forums, debian wiki and I can't find the way how to make Debian to see my fakeRAID correctly I use Intel Software Raid, can someone help me with this problem? |
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| 13:35.44 | Busserl | jcelerier: it has not been straihght foward since win 8 I think |
| 13:38.07 | Busserl | jcelerier: do oy get a connection after enering user/pass? |
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| 13:42.05 | Busserl | jcelerier: I had to map the share as a drive and it wouls save the user pass. |
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| 13:43.41 | no_gravity | A friend of mine has a problem: after starting her laptop from hybernation this morning, it said her password is wrong. then it did not let her enter a new password. then she shut it off. now when booting it comes up with "operating system not found". any ideas? |
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| 13:44.20 | virtualizado | hello. i was making an apt-get upgrade and it asked about 2 versions of a file, which should i prefer. I chose to show the differences between both files. Now the temrinal windows is showing the differences, and i don't know how i quit this screen and chose the version i wanty |
| 13:44.44 | centrx | no_gravity, That sounds so messed up it sounds like it would have to be a hard drive, or some kind of user error, or a crazy joke |
| 13:44.48 | centrx | *hard drive failure |
| 13:45.30 | centrx | virtualizado, Can you post a screenshot/picture? |
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| 13:45.37 | virtualizado | yes |
| 13:45.39 | virtualizado | 1 second |
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| 13:46.15 | no_gravity | centrx: hmm... |
| 13:46.37 | centrx | no_gravity, e.g. that might happen if she or some hacker/prankster deleted the entire hard drive |
| 13:46.59 | centrx | no_gravity, The running software would keep running, but be unable to validate a password (no /etc/passwd or shadow file) |
| 13:47.03 | virtualizado | centrx, here is the screenshot http://i.imgur.com/4mawmzE.png |
| 13:47.10 | centrx | no_gravity, same behavior if big hard drive failure |
| 13:47.32 | no_gravity | centrx: yeah. maybe. would be good if she finds some debian cd i guess. |
| 13:47.33 | centrx | virtualizado, Okay, probably just press q |
| 13:48.01 | centrx | or Esc |
| 13:48.05 | virtualizado | centrx thank you, it worked |
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| 13:55.13 | william_ | how do i configure terminator to split screen like in ubuntu? |
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| 14:24.16 | jcelerier | if this is of any interest to somebody, I solved my problem by replacing "security=share" with "security = user \n map to guest = Bad User" |
| 14:26.47 | testdeb | hi im using jessy and upgrading & updating every day, for past few days i see some blurr icons on iceweasel and other blurry icons on my favouries... is it normal or a bug? |
| 14:27.04 | centrx | jcelerier, interesting |
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| 14:27.16 | metabsd | Hi all |
| 14:27.38 | metabsd | I try to find how to upgrade adb to 1.3.2 or above. Anyone find the way to do that ? |
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| 14:28.54 | no_gravity | She managed to get into a terminal with a live CD! How can she check if her hard disk is still alive? |
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| 14:34.47 | awkwardtechdude| | Hello |
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| 14:35.10 | c-c | Suppose there are 20 apt-get install commands to run. Can I safely just paste these in a .sh file and run them from there? |
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| 14:35.34 | c-c | (as su) |
| 14:36.27 | centrx | c-c, Usually there should be one apt-get install command with say 20 packages in it |
| 14:36.53 | c-c | I mean - is it safe to drop bunch of apt-get install commands into a sh script? |
| 14:37.34 | centrx | Yes, but some packages/upgrades/installs like to ask questions that require user-feedback |
| 14:37.45 | centrx | *user input |
| 14:37.57 | c-c | sure |
| 14:38.08 | no_gravity | My friend with the broken laptop is in a terminal. we are trying to figure out if her HD is still alive. fdisk -l comes back empty. how can that be? |
| 14:38.22 | c-c | just hoping to give #crunchbangers some advice on their respins, thanks centrx |
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| 14:38.36 | aquilacode | I have a problem with my software RAID. I am using Intel Software Raid and I don't know how to mount it? Should I use dmraid, or cfdisk on /dev/mapper/isw and create partition? |
| 14:39.02 | centrx | no_gravity, Loose cable? Does the HDD show up in the BIOS? |
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| 14:39.21 | no_gravity | centrx: but shouldnt fdisk -l show the CD drive she booted from? |
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| 14:40.06 | centrx | no_gravity, I don't know, but maybe not because it's an ISO/CD |
| 14:40.12 | centrx | no_gravity, try lsblk (list block devices) |
| 14:40.35 | c-c | Hm, any ideas of common terminal commands that would not work if run from within a .sh script? |
| 14:41.23 | no_gravity | centrx: that gives sr0 and loop0. do you know what sr0 is? |
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| 14:41.41 | centrx | c-c, Seems like all terminal commands should work in a .sh script? |
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| 14:42.17 | towo` | sr0 is a otical drive like cd or dvd |
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| 14:42.22 | towo` | +p |
| 14:42.37 | c-c | centrx: hmm |
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| 14:42.38 | centrx | no_gravity, yes I have that too. I think sr stands for SCSI ROM (read-only) |
| 14:43.08 | no_gravity | centrx: ok. i tend to think the hd is dead or disconnected. |
| 14:43.23 | centrx | no_gravity, I agree |
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| 14:44.17 | no_gravity | ok thanks everybody! |
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| 14:45.01 | centrx | c-c, E.g. terminal is running bash; and .sh script is typically run through the bash interpreter |
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| 14:45.21 | c-c | I wonder what happens to aliases if run as root from a .sh script |
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| 14:53.30 | egrep_ | ? |
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| 14:58.56 | c-c | ie. are alias commands available to every user if created by su |
| 15:00.05 | c-c | or do system-wide aliases created within a .sh script require special massaging |
| 15:00.24 | Brigo | c-c, alias is created on user login |
| 15:00.34 | hikenboot | getting create_inode: socket ...chroot/run/NetworkManager/private ignored when extracting squashfs...is this indicating its broken or can truely be ignored. |
| 15:00.56 | Brigo | in /etc/profile system wide, and .bashrc and .bash_profile user wide. |
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| 15:01.43 | Brigo | hikenboot, i think you can ignore it, squashfs is readonly so you can create it. |
| 15:02.04 | Brigo | you cannot create the socket, i meant :) |
| 15:02.09 | c-c | Brigo, so, if I put an alias-command in a .sh script, and root runs it, what happens? |
| 15:03.07 | Brigo | the alias will be available for root only and for thats session only, i mean if you have another session opened in other terminal, alias will not be availabe there. |
| 15:03.52 | Brigo | so you can have differents root sessions with differents alias defined opened at some time. |
| 15:04.39 | Brigo | s/some/same |
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| 15:11.08 | dawid | hello i have a problem with freeradius |
| 15:11.18 | Brigo | ask! |
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| 15:11.40 | Brigo | !ask |
| 15:11.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:12.37 | dawid | ok, i must configure config paths in wemin to config freeradius. Idont know what i must do |
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| 15:13.20 | armia | hello |
| 15:13.41 | armia | I have a problem with the isc-dhcp-server |
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| 15:13.54 | armia | i can't do the ddns update stule add hoc |
| 15:14.03 | armia | it's not supported I guess |
| 15:14.05 | Brigo | dawid, sorry i have never used freeradius or wemin. |
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| 15:14.36 | Brigo | stule? |
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| 15:14.57 | armia | style |
| 15:15.11 | armia | ddns-update-style ad-hoc; |
| 15:15.26 | Brigo | armia, sorry i do not know what that. |
| 15:15.39 | armia | okay let me explain that better |
| 15:15.59 | armia | in debian |
| 15:16.12 | armia | in /etc/dhcp/dhcp.conf |
| 15:16.17 | armia | ddns-update-style ad-hoc; |
| 15:16.18 | armia | default-lease-time 600; |
| 15:16.18 | armia | max-lease-time 7200; |
| 15:16.18 | armia | subnet 192.168.2.128 netmask 255.255.255.128 { |
| 15:16.18 | armia | option subnet-mask 255.255.255.128; |
| 15:16.18 | armia | option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255; |
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| 15:18.39 | armia | http://paste.debian.net/148127/ |
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| 15:19.37 | armia | now... before isc-dhcp-server there was dhcp3-server |
| 15:20.00 | armia | and it supported that ad hoc; |
| 15:20.31 | armia | how can I force to install dhcp3-server instead of isc-dhcp-server |
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| 15:20.33 | armia | ? |
| 15:20.59 | xauth | armia: just install it? |
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| 15:21.13 | armia | apt get install dhcp3-server |
| 15:21.13 | apt | ACTION fetches install dhcp3-server |
| 15:21.17 | armia | give me an error |
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| 15:21.49 | xauth | armia: yes, and...? |
| 15:22.06 | armia | isc-dhcp-server is already the newest version. |
| 15:22.11 | armia | tht's wat it says |
| 15:22.19 | armia | let me pastbin the whole thing |
| 15:22.26 | Brigo | armia, isc-dhcp-server replaces dhcp3-server |
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| 15:23.33 | armia | http://paste.debian.net/148133/ |
| 15:24.14 | armia | Brigo, you are right .. but how to use it.. to make a dhcp server for one of my interfaces |
| 15:24.26 | armia | like if i create an interfcae like ath0 |
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| 15:24.50 | armia | I want to make the isc-dhcp-server works on ath0 |
| 15:25.16 | armia | when I was using dhcp3-srerver.. i could type like that |
| 15:25.31 | c-c | So leaving root password blank in debian means that everybody is root? |
| 15:25.40 | armia | dhcpd3 -cf /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid at0 |
| 15:25.58 | armia | but now what should I do exactly ? |
| 15:26.05 | Brigo | c-c, no it means everybody who tries can become root. |
| 15:26.29 | armia | I know I am a beginner but... I am learning :) |
| 15:26.44 | xauth | c-c: or: anyone can log in as root without a password. |
| 15:26.46 | Brigo | armia, i cannot remember the last time i configured a dhcp server, but it was quite easy |
| 15:27.26 | armia | do I have a solution for me ? I would be very thankful |
| 15:28.06 | armia | do you* have... |
| 15:28.14 | Brigo | armia, i not sure what is actually your problem, you just cannot configure it? |
| 15:28.50 | armia | yes... I cannot configure isc-dhcp-server |
| 15:29.00 | Brigo | armia, did you check the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server |
| 15:29.02 | armia | I need help in that... I searched a lot but can't find the solution |
| 15:29.41 | armia | let me check it :) |
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| 15:29.55 | whozatmac | armia dnsmasq is probably the easiest dnhp server to create a home/soho nat router with local dns resolution. |
| 15:30.22 | armia | alright i will take a look at it too |
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| 15:30.50 | armia | thank you Brigo and whozatmac |
| 15:31.02 | Brigo | armia, np :) |
| 15:31.08 | whozatmac | np :) |
| 15:31.27 | Brigo | armia, i agree with whozatmac about dnsmasq |
| 15:31.53 | Brigo | but this server is quite easy too as you can see in the wiki |
| 15:32.50 | armia | yes :) I am reading it now |
| 15:33.07 | SuRfDeMoN | =buffer 6 |
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| 15:51.09 | hairy-potter | hello, after grub i just get a black screen, even in rescue mode. it worked before, then it did that once on occasion and worked after rebooting, now the sudden it won't stop, there's been no change to the system (not even network connected), any cause or fix? |
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| 15:51.57 | Brigo | hairy-potter, what did you change? |
| 15:52.04 | hairy-potter | nothin |
| 15:52.12 | hairy-potter | worked yesterday, doesn't today |
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| 15:52.25 | Brigo | are the wires connected? |
| 15:52.36 | hairy-potter | yes, i see grub |
| 15:52.41 | Brigo | ah, ok |
| 15:52.45 | hairy-potter | windows works aswell |
| 15:53.05 | Brigo | you can try to change grub configuration on boot |
| 15:53.20 | hairy-potter | yup i can change the commandline but i have no idea about what i could try |
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| 15:53.26 | Brigo | go to the line you want to edit and press e button |
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| 15:54.16 | Brigo | you can try to change the vga parameter, first delete it, if no luck try others, ask google. |
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| 15:54.58 | OSVG | Have you tried using keyboard shortcuts to force into a different runlevel at the black screen? |
| 15:55.03 | hairy-potter | heh, and another question, is it possible to flash .iso's onto SD cards and boot from these or is USB generally the only bootable thing? |
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| 15:55.26 | OSVG | hairy-potter: Depends on the board, some boards don't see SD cards for boot purposes. |
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| 15:57.33 | viccuad | Guys, I can't find a Debian image for arm with the mainline kernel (3.18) as the wiki is outdated and google shows nothing. Do you know where they are? thanks in advance |
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| 16:00.03 | trewas | jessie will have kernel 3.16, official images with anything newer probably don't exist |
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| 16:02.35 | kRush | anybody in the know what a TCPSackShiftFallback is (netstat -s)? |
| 16:03.12 | viccuad | trewas: didn't exist "unofficial" arm images with mainline kernels? ala nightlys? |
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| 16:05.47 | Brigo | viccuad, may be, ask google :) |
| 16:05.59 | viccuad | I have, no luck :( |
| 16:06.05 | trewas | viccuad: I don't know, is there actually something that *needs* 3.18 kernel instead of 3.16? |
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| 16:07.03 | viccuad | trewas: Simple frame buffer support without blobs is on 3.18 for some cards (namely, A20 Olinuxino Lime & Lime2, the one I want the image for) |
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| 16:08.04 | Brigo | viccuad, can you install and then upgrade to 3.18? |
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| 16:10.25 | viccuad | Brigo: sadly, I don't have an UART on hand to have a serial console and install it, meanwhile I don't have the frame buffer |
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| 16:12.34 | sakujo | also, out of curiosity, how come libgnutls-dev is part of stable and unstable but not testing? |
| 16:13.05 | OSVG | It's likely been replaced? |
| 16:13.10 | sakujo | i suppose like a year ago 2.12.20 got updated to 2.12.21 or 22 though that caused an issue and it had to be pulled from testing? |
| 16:13.17 | sakujo | and now unstable already has 2.12.23 but it is still pending review for testing or what? |
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| 16:13.25 | sakujo | sry typing took longer than expected -.- |
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| 16:13.51 | sakujo | i suppose i just want to understand if i should avoid touching libgnutls-dev right now as i am running jessie |
| 16:14.42 | turtleding | hello. why is the bsd licence considered free? i thought free software forbids commercial use? |
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| 16:15.19 | srg | turtleding: free software does not prohibit commerical use, but the GPL does |
| 16:15.31 | viccuad | turtleding: this is not the channel. And no, free software allows commercial use (even the GPL), you just need to share the sources |
| 16:16.06 | turtleding | viccuad: what is meant by "this is not the channel"? |
| 16:16.13 | srg | GPL is considered a "copyleft" |
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| 16:16.56 | srg | turtleding: THere's plenty of information on these on wikipedia and gnu.org and many other places. |
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| 16:17.34 | viccuad | turtleding: this is a channel for Debian support, not for talking about licenses. That is offtopic here. I suggest you #debian-offtopic, #fsf, #gnu ... |
| 16:17.42 | turtleding | srg: yeah, sure. just wanted to verify my knowledge :) |
| 16:17.42 | jhutchins | turtleding: http://www.fsf.org/ |
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| 16:18.09 | turtleding | viccuad: ah, yeah. thx for the note |
| 16:18.33 | turtleding | viccuad: srg and thx for course for the explaination^^ |
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| 16:23.05 | MY123 | At least, true Debian on my Raspberry Pi 2. Sadly, the mainline kernel still has not BCM2836 support, yet, ... |
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| 16:25.06 | c-c | Whats the app that enables outputting to system clipboard? |
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| 16:25.25 | c-c | ie. how to output a file to system paste buffer? |
| 16:25.43 | viccuad | MY123: what kernel do you have? jessie's 3.16? |
| 16:25.43 | sakujo | hmm building kodi depends on "libfontconfig-dev". on debian the package is virtual and we have libfontconfg1 and libfontconfig1-dev installed |
| 16:25.52 | sakujo | would that make a difference? |
| 16:25.59 | srg | c-c: Is it xclip? |
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| 16:27.59 | c-c | thank you srg |
| 16:28.43 | MY123 | viccuad: the Raspberry Pi 3.18.6 one (downstream) |
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| 16:29.42 | MY123 | ( it's impressive to have a such recent kernel) |
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| 16:40.21 | ghormoon-web | hi, any idea what I've broken when during apt-get update I'll get this? http://paste.debian.net/148174/ (tried this again after recovering from backup, it didn't oot up ack last time, Now I'm in pre-reboot state) |
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| 16:42.02 | ghormoon-web | if that matters, the machine is OpenVZ container |
| 16:42.53 | Brigo | ghormoon-web, did you check the output? are you using jessie? |
| 16:43.08 | Brigo | the log, i meant! |
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| 16:47.02 | ghormoon-web | what log do you mean exactly? and yep, I'll move to deian-next, I've forgot again :) |
| 16:47.29 | ghormoon-web | though I still don't get it why it's not on freenode too ... |
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| 16:49.13 | Brigo | ghormoon-web, because the official debian channels are in oftc network |
| 16:49.37 | Brigo | when i said logs i meant any logs, all logs, whatever :) |
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| 16:49.47 | Brigo | just try journalctl -b |
| 16:49.56 | Brigo | and systemctl --failed |
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| 16:53.34 | ghormoon-web | journalctl gives "Failed to open /dev/autofs: No such file or directory", systemctl nothing, the systemd is already dead :) |
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| 16:58.17 | ghormoon-web | discussion moved do #debian-next, sorry for spamming it here :) |
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| 17:02.52 | Tuxi | what is wrong on my config :(? http://paste.debian.net/148190/ i'm using nginx version: nginx/1.2.1 Debian Wheezy the nginx-full full package |
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| 17:03.49 | tonikasch | Hi! Probably a completely stupid question but... is it possible to run debian in a chroot on top of a _ramips_ running openwrt??? |
| 17:04.00 | c-c | Tuxi: #nginx |
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| 17:07.36 | tonikasch | Ok, perhaps ralink-mips has its correspondance with debian mipsel :) ? |
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| 17:08.25 | p0lly | is there a way to count files on a remote server/folder, something like wget + ls ? |
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| 17:10.19 | tonikasch | p0g0_ perhaps concatenating a find with wc -l |
| 17:10.37 | tonikasch | but that would count also directories |
| 17:10.42 | tonikasch | so... |
| 17:10.47 | tonikasch | sme parameters to find |
| 17:10.55 | tonikasch | sme=some |
| 17:11.30 | sakujo | I suppose this is a long lasting bug due to nobody having the same preferences as me: When I choose the language to be English but my location to be Other>Europe>Germany, Debian always gets confused |
| 17:11.52 | p0lly | okay, thanks tonikasch |
| 17:12.01 | sakujo | Whenever - on whatever machine I am - I set this up like this (which I do every time) - I am missing one locale |
| 17:12.14 | sakujo | LC_ALL = (unset) |
| 17:12.24 | sakujo | and it throws out very ugly errors when i aptitude stuff |
| 17:12.34 | sakujo | I solve this by simply reconfiguring the package locales |
| 17:12.43 | sakujo | however, this should be a 'cosmetic' bug, right? |
| 17:13.13 | tonikasch | p0lly you are welcome:) |
| 17:13.38 | sakujo | After dpkg-reconfigure locales I select de_DE.UTF-8 (en_US.UTF-8) is already selected and confirm en_US.UTF-8 to be the default locale |
| 17:14.03 | sakujo | Is this a bug? Should I report it? |
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| 17:15.02 | tonikasch | thinks we have to work with some conventions and one is that in Germany German is spoken as main lang, so... |
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| 17:15.35 | tonikasch | if dkpg-reconfigure locale works... |
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| 17:16.02 | tonikasch | that is what I I have not fully understood |
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| 17:44.27 | sakujo | Is there an official template for init scripts? Most supplied ones use echos instead of our init-functions |
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| 17:47.22 | tremon | /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 17:48.13 | tremon | although in my memory it used to have a lot more boilerplate content than the current jessie one on my system |
| 17:48.27 | sakujo | i was expecting there to be also the start/stop etc. parts in it with template logs |
| 17:48.32 | sakujo | but that will do thanks! |
| 17:50.04 | sakujo | oh now i even found https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 17:50.56 | sakujo | it even stresses that we are supposed to use our init-functions to log |
| 17:51.03 | sakujo | if we optionally decide to log |
| 17:51.50 | sakujo | darn, the links from that page are real OCD porn |
| 17:51.57 | tremon | sakujo: http://paste.debian.net/148222/ |
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| 17:52.11 | tremon | the previous skeleton script, courtesy of snapshots.debian.org |
| 17:52.22 | sakujo | oh wow |
| 17:52.31 | sakujo | snapshots.debian.org ? ill check into that never heard of it |
| 17:52.42 | sakujo | appreciate it |
| 17:52.57 | tremon | mumbles something unsanitary about certain zealots wanting to kill off shell-based boot |
| 17:54.26 | sakujo | har i just wanted to ask why they would make the skeleton more minimalistic |
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| 17:58.44 | tremon | sakujo: according to the changelog, the rest of the init script has been moved to /lib/init/init-d-script to avoid the code duplication |
| 17:58.54 | azool | hi. |
| 17:59.10 | tremon | see man init-d-script and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464854 |
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| 17:59.21 | azool | I'm trying to verify the debian cd signing key. |
| 17:59.42 | sakujo | i c, you have been more helpful than i could have wished for |
| 17:59.42 | sakujo | thanks |
| 17:59.47 | srg | On Jessie, what is the recommended way to manage daemons? `service foo restart` or `/etc/init.d/foo restart` or other? |
| 18:00.18 | tremon | srg: service foo restart. It works independent of which init system you're using |
| 18:00.36 | srg | tremon: THanks |
| 18:01.01 | azool | https://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html says the signing key is 6294BE9B |
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| 18:01.17 | azool | but the pgp path finder won't find it: |
| 18:01.25 | azool | http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?STAT=6294BE9B&STATS=statistics |
| 18:01.56 | azool | any idea what i might be missing? |
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| 18:02.31 | tremon | azool: "The keys used for these signatures are all in the Debian GPG keyring" -- I'm not sure keyring.debian.org syncs its keyring with the global network |
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| 18:05.14 | azool | strange. maybe there's something wrong with the path finder. I've been able to import the key without the debian keyring here. |
| 18:06.00 | azool | looks like it - the key is on the keyserver. http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x6294BE9B |
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| 18:20.30 | niteye | strange thing, sometimes i just get a black screen after grub, and sometimes i don't, it seems to be completely random |
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| 18:24.48 | crunchbang | Hey , Debian users, would sombody of you be so loving kind as to show me the download loaction of older iso-images. I am sick, everytime i suffer the same problem, you guys are hiding the download links on your internet side... |
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| 18:31.32 | crunchbang | got it https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 18:31.55 | crunchbang | damn, that took a lot of time to search |
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| 18:32.30 | tremon | I'm not certain that location also has the installer images |
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| 18:34.59 | tremon | archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/$release/main/installer-$arch/ does have the bare installer so you would be able to build your own cd set, but the release set appears to be missing |
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| 18:35.24 | irontiga | help, i used fuser -km nxt.lock.db |
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| 18:35.34 | irontiga | (ssh and ftp) |
| 18:35.38 | irontiga | *sftp |
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| 18:39.41 | sakujo | Hey I need the headers for libgnutls on jessie to build Kodi. However, the package libgnutls-dev is only available on stable and unstable, not on testing |
| 18:39.48 | sakujo | Is it safe to backport unstable? |
| 18:39.59 | sakujo | Or is there a reason there is no libgnutls-dev on jessie right now? |
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| 18:52.27 | c-c | I'm working on a install script |
| 18:52.53 | c-c | Is it possible to add 'non-free' to repository sources from a script? |
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| 18:53.18 | c-c | needs unzip and unrar installed, as github-hosted packages need unpacking |
| 18:53.48 | sakujo | Building Kodi requires libgnutls-dev. However, that package only exists on stable and unstable. On jessie, I only have gnutls-dev libcurl3-gnutls-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libghc-gnutls-dev libgnutls-openssl-dev libgnutls28-dev and libneon27-gnutls-dev. Does anyone of those replace libgnutls-dev? Or do I have to backport from unstable? |
| 18:54.19 | c-c | you can install from unstable |
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| 18:54.51 | c-c | 1. add unstable to sources, 2. add -t unstable flag to your apt-get install line |
| 18:55.00 | valdyn | sakujo: or you could just fix the dep, thats just a name |
| 18:55.28 | sakujo | I don't understand exactly what you mean, as the dependencies are derived from the ubuntu PPA |
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| 18:55.38 | sakujo | Can I manually override their dependencies? |
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| 18:56.05 | sakujo | Currently I use that PPA just to aptitude build-dep kodi as packages are usually named the same way in both ubuntu and Debian |
| 18:56.10 | c-c | sakujo: debian is not ubuntu |
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| 18:56.17 | c-c | sakujo: you need to go to #ubuntu |
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| 18:57.18 | sakujo | Is it not an appropriate question to ask considering a distribution independent package I want to install requires me to have the package libgnutls-dev installed on their distro independent readme? |
| 18:57.27 | valdyn | sakujo: the thing with gnutls is that its for licensing reasons in use in 2 versions, one totally outdated, one is the current one |
| 18:57.31 | sakujo | And considering their readme is appropriate as both stable and unstable have that package |
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| 18:57.47 | valdyn | sakujo: kodi might compile against libgnutls28-dev - if it does, that is the *better* option for you |
| 18:57.49 | metallic | I am new to the Xfce desktop environment and I am in need to say that it is fairly nice :) |
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| 18:58.13 | sakujo | If not it would be the outdated gnutls-dev? |
| 18:58.21 | sakujo | Or which one is the outdated one you were referring to? |
| 18:58.34 | valdyn | sakujo: if not then you need the outdated one that is not currently in testing |
| 18:58.52 | valdyn | sakujo: thats libgnutls-dev, yes |
| 18:58.59 | sakujo | I see, I will just try to compile it, hoping to produce error messages after ./configure |
| 18:59.05 | sakujo | and I will check if the recent packages fix that |
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| 18:59.12 | sakujo | if not I will attempt to use the outdated one |
| 18:59.36 | valdyn | !why is libgnutls-dev not in testing |
| 18:59.36 | dpkg | libgnutls-dev is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libgnutls-dev |
| 18:59.46 | sakujo | I appreciate your help. It is a shame all media related projects focus on instructing ubuntu installs |
| 19:00.08 | sakujo | And merely add a "this pretty much works under Debian, too" |
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| 19:00.18 | sakujo | holy moly |
| 19:00.25 | sakujo | wtf |
| 19:00.36 | valdyn | sakujo: the has been a recent change that made the "old" libgnutls no longer necessary |
| 19:00.37 | sakujo | kisses dpkg |
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| 19:00.51 | sakujo | is impressed |
| 19:00.59 | valdyn | sakujo: that change will affect ubuntu just like debian - just at a different point in time, but that will break the howto anyway |
| 19:01.07 | sakujo | Well, the URL does not work :p |
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| 19:01.09 | sakujo | still impressed |
| 19:01.16 | valdyn | sakujo: yea, dont know why it does not |
| 19:01.35 | sakujo | who needs Siri, right |
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| 19:02.28 | jhutchins | ,v kodi |
| 19:02.29 | judd | Package: kodi on i386 -- jessie-multimedia: 5:14.1-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:14.1-dmo3 |
| 19:03.35 | sakujo | that is pretty recent, to be honest |
| 19:04.00 | sakujo | but compiling it yourself is usually recommended as that is the only way team-xbmc can guarantee every library they prefer is being used |
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| 19:04.31 | sakujo | most notably ffmpeg vs. libav. And I believe currently one would have to use xbmc-ffmpeg rather than the multimedia repo to get ffmpeg working |
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| 19:06.56 | c-c | So, any ideas how to add the debian non-free sources in a bash -script? This is for a crunchbang fork install script. The script already adds local deb sources into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ but wouldn't adding non-free there be incorrect? |
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| 19:24.11 | teraflops | eww kodi on jeesie |
| 19:24.17 | teraflops | jessie* |
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| 19:24.50 | L0aD1nG | so jessie gonna come with kernel 3.16, or 3.17? |
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| 19:25.59 | centrx | L0aD1nG, 3.16 |
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| 19:26.41 | centrx | L0aD1nG, https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html |
| 19:26.45 | Devastator | shouldn't apt-get -b source packagename get the package source from the deb-src sid line I've added? |
| 19:27.04 | centrx | Devastator, Did you run apt-get update first? |
| 19:27.28 | Devastator | I'm trying to backport postgresql from sid on wheezy, following ssb factoid, but it wants to build 134 from wheezy |
| 19:27.34 | Devastator | centrx yes |
| 19:27.37 | teraflops | judd: sorry what repo is that? Package: kodi on i386 -- jessie-multimedia: 5:14.1-dmo2? |
| 19:27.50 | teraflops | i meant jhutchins * |
| 19:28.01 | teraflops | jhutchins: sorry what repo is that? Package: kodi on i386 -- jessie-multimedia: 5:14.1-dmo2? |
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| 19:28.49 | Devastator | centrx nevermind, I think I know the issue :D |
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| 19:36.15 | Devastator | centrx postgresql package is a metapackage, that is why it was giving me trouble :) |
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| 19:51.13 | ConqueredWarrior | Hello |
| 19:51.25 | ConqueredWarrior | I have a distribution based on debian, how do I find out what version of debian it's using? |
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| 19:51.33 | ConqueredWarrior | uname -a just gives Debian 3.2.63-2 |
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| 19:52.41 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, maybe cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:53.01 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, But if you are using a distribution based on Debian, you are not using a version of _Debian_ |
| 19:53.02 | ConqueredWarrior | centrx: it's 7.7 |
| 19:53.18 | ConqueredWarrior | well I think the .debs will work fine |
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| 19:53.25 | ConqueredWarrior | I think they even have debian .deb sources, not sure |
| 19:55.57 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, That means it uses the same package management system |
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| 19:56.20 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, The software included and actual versions of them may be different and incompatible |
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| 19:58.19 | ConqueredWarrior | centrx: sources.list points to debian packages, so I think it's ok |
| 19:58.34 | ConqueredWarrior | I'll just donwload the emacs 24 deb from the debian site and install it |
| 19:59.18 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, Why not use apt-get? |
| 19:59.38 | ConqueredWarrior | centrx: cause it has only emacs 23 |
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| 19:59.42 | ConqueredWarrior | already installed |
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| 20:00.24 | ConqueredWarrior | what is a backport? |
| 20:00.24 | centrx | dpkg, tell ConqueredWarrior about backports |
| 20:00.43 | jelly-home | ,v emacs24 |
| 20:00.45 | judd | Package: emacs24 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 24.4+1-4.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 24.4+1-4.1; sid: 24.4+1-4.1 |
| 20:00.58 | ConqueredWarrior | I need the wheezy one |
| 20:01.42 | centrx | !wheezy-backports |
| 20:01.43 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 20:02.14 | ConqueredWarrior | so I add wheeze-backports next to wheezy in my dev stuff? |
| 20:02.19 | ConqueredWarrior | for both deb and deb-src? |
| 20:02.34 | centrx | yes |
| 20:02.40 | centrx | deb-src if you want to download source packages |
| 20:02.47 | centrx | *be able to |
| 20:03.24 | ConqueredWarrior | I can edit the file, no need to add a new line? |
| 20:03.32 | ConqueredWarrior | I mean the line |
| 20:03.42 | centrx | oh no, you need to add a new line |
| 20:03.45 | ConqueredWarrior | oh |
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| 20:03.55 | ConqueredWarrior | I thought wheeze main contrib where like packages |
| 20:04.09 | centrx | the wheezy part is separate from main contrib non-free part |
| 20:04.14 | centrx | main contrib non-free do work like that |
| 20:04.44 | ConqueredWarrior | so wheeze is like a main parent stuff and what follows are subgroups? |
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| 20:05.04 | centrx | yes, wheezy is the codename of the release |
| 20:05.15 | centrx | Debian 7.x |
| 20:05.38 | ConqueredWarrior | but I mean, in the sources file you have deb URL then names separated by spaces |
| 20:06.00 | centrx | ConqueredWarrior, http://linux.die.net/man/5/sources.list |
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| 20:07.23 | ConqueredWarrior | I didn't know you can man that |
| 20:07.35 | ConqueredWarrior | cool, thanks centrx |
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| 20:32.35 | sakujo_ | make -jN where N is roughly the number of *cores* or the number of *threads*? |
| 20:32.45 | sakujo_ | i know eventually i have to test this myself to get optimal results |
| 20:33.06 | valdyn | sakujo_: make does not use threads, it uses processes |
| 20:33.21 | sakujo_ | yeah, simultaneous jobs |
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| 20:33.38 | sakujo_ | but a 2-core CPU that has 2 threads each, does it like to run 2/3 jobs simultaneously or 4/5 jobs? |
| 20:34.08 | sakujo_ | googling always leads to the N vs N+1 question |
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| 20:35.18 | valdyn | sakujo_: the benefit of hyperthreading is small |
| 20:35.39 | sakujo_ | ok i'll see, i'll go for 3 tonight then, somewhat a compromise |
| 20:35.43 | valdyn | sakujo_: without ht i would say you should use N > number of cores |
| 20:36.18 | valdyn | sakujo_: with ht it might be that N should not be > hyperthreads |
| 20:36.47 | sakujo_ | sounds like 3 cannot be too bad then with 2 cores and 4 threads total |
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| 20:39.03 | valdyn | sakujo_: there can be no simple answer to this - number of cores is just one side, amount of ram and disk speed matter too |
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| 21:18.38 | awb99 | hi |
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| 21:19.16 | awb99 | anyone knows how I can hide the auto away messages on xchat app? |
| 21:19.51 | srg | I would ask in the xchat support channel. This is #Debian for debian-specific questions. |
| 21:19.59 | srg | awb99: I imagine it would be in `/set` somewhere |
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| 21:34.42 | mernilio | Hi all! :-) |
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| 21:36.44 | mernilio | I just heard debb and ian got divorced, and the name debian is officially broken. |
| 21:36.51 | srg | ... |
| 21:37.21 | mernilio | Just testing... ;-) |
| 21:37.33 | srg | wont feed |
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| 22:04.49 | Climuffff | I have one debian server and I have another one, how can I simply use the IP of the first one to directly forward everything to the second server? Can I just use port forwarding or do I need to install something like a domain server on the first server? |
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| 22:08.28 | srg | Climuffff: ...what? |
| 22:09.10 | Climuffff | srg: on the old server I have a teamspeak server and I have put everything to a new server (better location) but I still want that the people who connect to the server of the old IP join the new TS server |
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| 22:09.19 | srg | Climuffff: You shouldn't want to just forward ALL traffic. For example, if you want it to forward http traffic, install something like nginx as a front-end caching proxy |
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| 22:10.10 | srg | Climuffff: I don't know of a tool to do that. Maybe some fancy iptables rules can do it. But it'd be easier to just tell everyone to use the new server. Those who don't are left in the dark. |
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| 22:10.25 | srg | man iptables |
| 22:10.34 | garn32 | any ideas why an acer aspire E 11 won't shutdown properly in debian 8? |
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| 22:11.30 | Climuffff | srg: thanks, but if I use IPtables then all the traffic goes thorugh the old server, right? this would lead to a really high ping for the people who connect to the old server |
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| 22:11.55 | Climuffff | so I thought of somethink like a domain |
| 22:13.02 | srg | Climuffff: yeah it would physically route the traffic. |
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| 22:13.30 | srg | Well you can get a domain and tell users to connect to. If the ip changes, then update the DNS record and they'll eventually (delay due to caching) get the new IP. |
| 22:13.56 | Climuffff | I already have a domain |
| 22:14.14 | Climuffff | but some people connect with the IP |
| 22:14.26 | srg | There's nothing you can do about that |
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| 22:14.32 | Climuffff | some strange people that just search in teamspeak server lists and connect to some random server ^^ |
| 22:14.39 | srg | ah |
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| 22:15.34 | Climuffff | hmm I thought there might be an easy way to do this, but if not thats sad ^^ |
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| 22:32.04 | Klaus_Dieter | I would like to set a route for 10.0.0.0/8 and a different one for 10.8.0.0/24. How do I do that? obviously I can set both routes but the broader one is used first. I would like the 10.8.... be used if the net matches |
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| 23:05.50 | lids1 | ÎÏήκα!! |
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| 23:34.31 | teku_ | hi |
| 23:34.41 | garn32 | hello |
| 23:34.48 | teku_ | debian asked me to "configure locales" but i don't know what i have to do |
| 23:34.59 | teku_ | i think i have to select from "it" because i'm italian |
| 23:35.15 | teku_ | but i don't know if i have to select it_IT.UTF-8 or it_IT or it_IT@euro |
| 23:35.18 | teku_ | anyone know? |
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| 23:37.44 | garn32 | teku_ I don't know for sure but I would think that it_IT.UTF-8 would be the selection you'd want |
| 23:38.14 | teku_ | uhm i try, if i made mistake i can modify this when i have installed? |
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| 23:38.44 | garn32 | teku_ yes you can modify this after installation |
| 23:39.00 | teku_ | okok, i try to install, thank you very much |
| 23:39.04 | teraflops | teku_: as many times as you want |
| 23:39.17 | teku_ | i had to select english language 'cause debian don't want to install with italian language |
| 23:39.29 | teku_ | lol |
| 23:39.39 | garn32 | teku_ you can use expert mode to install and select you locales from there |
| 23:40.02 | teku_ | yes, i did it |
| 23:40.14 | garn32 | teku_ ah, ok |
| 23:40.18 | teku_ | (sorry for my bad english) |
| 23:40.30 | teku_ | (and thanks for the support) |
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| 23:43.40 | PoorPeasant | Hi, is Jessie coming soon? I'm poor and can't afford a proper OS |
| 23:43.54 | garn32 | is there any way to log the shutdown procedure in debian? |
| 23:43.58 | Benjaminhusky | Debian is a proper OS |
| 23:44.16 | Benjaminhusky | i dont see why it isnt in any way |
| 23:44.23 | PoorPeasant | Benjaminhusky: that's why I'm asking if Jessie's coming |
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| 23:46.00 | tau | how could i list all wi-fi networks available on linux? |
| 23:46.13 | tau | i have wicd-gtk installed then i click over scan and it doesnt find any network. |
| 23:46.20 | tau | even if there are available networks. |
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| 23:50.24 | srg | iptables is completely unusable. |
| 23:50.48 | srg | Set a default deny, but then set a rule to allow ALL traffic. Traffic gets denied. |
| 23:50.54 | Klaus_Dieter | tau: you want iwlist scan |
| 23:51.03 | PoorPeasant | use ufw srg |
| 23:51.04 | srg | starts porting openbsd's pf to linux. |
| 23:52.34 | sc_ | relax, Steve. |
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| 23:53.19 | sc_ | i hate iptables sometimes as well... like when I want to deny a specific IP, but have to rerun my entire script :( |
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| 23:54.59 | srg | I don't want to have to install yet another dependancy just to write a configuration file that is intended to be written by hand. |
| 23:55.09 | srg | it doesn't make sense. |
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| 23:56.47 | srg | Is there a way to have the kernel drop packets on ports with nothing listening on them? |
| 23:57.08 | srg | Like, silently drop them |
| 23:57.31 | edju | Just got a msg from kernel -- kernel:[122683.432003] Bad pagetable: 000d [#1] SMP. Google found no pages. Anybody? |
