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| 00:02.42 | tau | Klaus_Dieter: no idea how i can list them with iwlist. |
| 00:02.51 | tau | Klaus_Dieter: it seems wicd-gtk uses iwlist. |
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| 00:06.23 | Busserl | tau: maybe nm-applet with network-manager? |
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| 00:08.07 | Busserl | tau: the gui is network-manager-gnome |
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| 00:13.19 | tau | Busserl: hmm |
| 00:13.22 | tau | okay. |
| 00:13.25 | tau | i'll try that then. |
| 00:13.35 | tau | thank you. |
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| 00:27.52 | PoorPeasant | Jessie please I need you!! |
| 00:28.27 | mernilio | Hi all sorry for the inconvinins .. i dont have any smilys left |
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| 00:29.38 | mernilio | tho, besides here talking about your shit... is rhtere a debina-off-hourss? |
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| 00:32.06 | mernilio | PoorPesant Who is Jessie? |
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| 00:33.54 | PoorPeasant | Jessie everynight in my dreams I see you I feel you |
| 00:34.36 | mernilio | Being from poor Oklahoma. I think Jessie, who ever she are, will make it! If you stay out of drugs. Thats the hell on earth |
| 00:34.42 | PoorPeasant | Near far wherever you are Jessie I believe the heart does go on |
| 00:35.40 | jelly-home | mernilio: there's a #debian-offtopic, yes |
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| 00:36.15 | Devastator | is libpq5 the same as libpq-dev provided by postgresql.org? |
| 00:36.30 | mernilio | PoorPeasant: You coulnt provide for her. Why are you complaining. If you arent man enuff you shuldn be here anyway! |
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| 00:36.47 | mernilio | jelly-home: thanks :-) |
| 00:37.03 | jelly-home | Devastator: it's more likely that libpq-dev is comparable to their libpq-dev. |
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| 00:38.53 | Devastator | jelly-home I've tried to backport postgresql-9.4 from sid to wheezy, even though judd claims all dependencies are satisfied it wouldn't build, then I've used their repo to install, but libpq5 was installed with php5 and it's outdated, any suggestions? it seems backport fails while building tests |
| 00:39.31 | jelly-home | Devastator: "rebuild php5 with newer pg libs if you need it" |
| 00:39.37 | jelly-home | hides |
| 00:39.41 | Devastator | hahah |
| 00:40.18 | Devastator | I'm trying to backport just libpq5 now, but it seems it wants to build postgresql-9.4 again |
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| 00:40.32 | jelly-home | it's the same source, innit |
| 00:40.48 | Devastator | yes, so that's about to fail as well |
| 00:41.31 | jelly-home | somehow I doubt that src:postgresql-9.4 requires libpq5 as build dep! |
| 00:41.49 | Devastator | god.. I don't like php to be honest, but I thought it was a quick way to develop something to play with a database in postgresql |
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| 00:44.56 | Devastator | one idea was to backport newer php5-pgsql, but then I need to backport apache2, libgd-dev etc |
| 00:45.14 | PoorPeasant | don't backport, frontport is the way |
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| 00:46.39 | Devastator | boy, you ARE funny |
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| 00:47.35 | PoorPeasant | I know I am |
| 00:48.19 | ksk | hey guys. |
| 00:48.29 | jelly-home | PoorPeasant: enough of that. This channel is for tech support |
| 00:48.41 | ksk | can i get java7 (or an openjdk package) on debian wheezy somehow? apt-cache is not my friend right now :/ |
| 00:48.51 | jelly-home | !install java |
| 00:48.51 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 00:49.22 | PoorPeasant | ksk: I think someone is maintaining a proper repo somewhere |
| 00:49.27 | jelly-home | ksk: so, openjdk-7-jdk, or default-jdk |
| 00:49.43 | ksk | openjdk-7-jre is installed, a "java -version" howver says: OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.13.6) (6b34-1.13.6-1~deb7u1) -- not much "7" in it!? |
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| 00:50.11 | ksk | Id rather not install third party software if there is another way PoorPeasant |
| 00:50.46 | jelly-home | ksk: see also: /msg dpkg java alternatives, for when you have mutliple options installed |
| 00:51.00 | ksk | thanks jelly-home |
| 00:51.41 | ArchDuke | Any reason why the same file would save as 10MB in rtf but only 125kB in docx from libre writer? |
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| 00:52.34 | ksk | ArchDuke: docx is superior? :x |
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| 00:56.14 | treund | ArchDuke: no way |
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| 00:56.30 | bipul | Hello, how can i install mysql-server via shell script, in debian |
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| 00:57.02 | treund | echo apt-get install mysql-server >> shell-script-galore |
| 00:57.05 | owen1 | i am trying to test the logger client - logger -n 192.168.1.121 -p 514 "Test message" but see logger: unknown priority name: 514 i am clearly clueless (: any ideas? |
| 00:57.52 | bipul | I am trying to install Mysql-server http://pastebin.com/pLSfM1AA but i am failed to reset , mysql root user |
| 00:58.53 | bipul | treund, But how you will reset the password for mysql root? |
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| 01:00.27 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell bipul about ifmrp |
| 01:00.28 | ArchDuke | Could ie be because I had an image in the file? It is very much 9.9MB while the same file as docx came out to 125kB o.O |
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| 01:01.01 | jelly-home | bipul: might also read /msg dpkg mysql initial password |
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| 01:01.40 | bipul | jelly-home, ?? |
| 01:02.07 | jelly-home | bipul: read the private message from dpkg bot. |
| 01:02.23 | bipul | Yes, i can see |
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| 01:03.06 | jelly-home | bipul: then, if you want, also ask it about "mysql initial password" for some related, but not exactly the same info |
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| 01:03.47 | jelly-home | bipul: so, assuming you read it, what was the "??" about? |
| 01:04.01 | bipul | jelly-home, I am trying to write a bash script that will install Mysql-server |
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| 01:04.30 | bipul | May be the forget part will get me into the root account :p |
| 01:04.54 | bipul | sorry reseting the mysql root |
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| 01:06.00 | jelly-home | bipul: if you're installing it initially, there's nothing to reset |
| 01:07.25 | bipul | jelly-home, how? see this code, pastebin.com/pLSfM1AA between it's in under developing phase. |
| 01:07.35 | jelly-home | instead, look at preseeding answers to debconf questions that the installation asks |
| 01:07.38 | bipul | But at least it should work. |
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| 01:08.22 | jelly-home | it seems you know something about preseeding, so that's good |
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| 01:09.22 | jelly-home | I'm too tired to analyze shell code, tho |
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| 02:28.23 | hikenboot | can anyone explain if there is a configuration that allows someone accessing via ssh to access the root path not just a home directory such as /root or /home/username? |
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| 02:39.51 | hikenboot | never mind thanks |
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| 02:41.54 | sakujo_ | did i read somewhere that update-rc.d was not recommended anymore to manage init.d scripts? |
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| 02:44.19 | ctmjr_ | thinks only you can answer that |
| 02:44.28 | blackyboy | Which video editor software we can use in Linux debian and i need to Blur some area in my video which editor will help me to do this ? |
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| 02:47.10 | owen1 | I changed rsyslog to listen to udp 514 but logger -n 192.168.1.121 --port 514 "hello" show me no output. any ideas? |
| 02:47.39 | vasile | Where would I report an error in a http://cdimage.debian.org file (specifically, the unofficial cd-including-firmware jessie netinst)? Thank you. |
| 02:48.43 | treund | blackyboy: don't blur - be proud |
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| 02:53.34 | squisher | vasile, what's the error? |
| 02:54.27 | vasile | squisher: The jigdo file at @zacchiro The error is that http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_rc1/amd64/jigdo-cd/ mentions a template file that isn't found. Turns out the jigdo is looking for a file with an uppercase Jessie but the server supplies a lower case one. Downloading the template and renaming it fixes it, but it should just work. |
| 02:54.53 | vasile | Sorry, didn't mean to put @zacchiro in there. (Was tweeting him a moment ago...) |
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| 03:18.31 | mathu | i want to rebuild mutt against openssl instead of gnutls. is there a clean way to do this in debian or do i have to go edit makefiles |
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| 03:19.42 | treund | check the configure first to see if there is an option |
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| 03:20.20 | trysten | how do i get clipboard support in vim? |
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| 03:20.38 | mathu | treund: the configure? is this an apt command or something i do with the source downloaded |
| 03:20.48 | mathu | sorry, i use debian sparingly |
| 03:20.54 | treund | clipboard = cutnpaste? you should have it already |
| 03:21.06 | trysten | treund: access to * and + registers |
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| 03:21.39 | treund | mathu: your wanting to change from openssl to tls and not knowing about configure is like wanting to do calculus with out first doing algebra - leave it as it is |
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| 03:22.10 | mathu | treund: i just don't use apt, haha |
| 03:22.25 | mathu | treund: not important, but i want to go from tls to openssl :P |
| 03:22.36 | treund | why? |
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| 03:22.49 | trysten | lol are you too good for apt |
| 03:22.53 | mathu | my mutt build is unable to connect to gmail. on gentoo it's built with openssl and it works fine, but not on debian |
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| 03:23.23 | mathu | treund: no, i just use gentoo. debian is on my server, where i don't really do a lot of hardcore package management haha |
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| 03:23.41 | mathu | i'm not saying apt is bad, i'm just unfamiliar with it |
| 03:24.20 | treund | mathu check out sylpheed you get a lot more control over things |
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| 03:25.17 | mathu | is sylpheed a curses client? this is a headless server, hence mutt |
| 03:25.57 | m0rd3cai | can someone help with truecrypt? when prompted for root password in truecrypt, i enter it and it says "failed to gain admin priviledges sorry try again" |
| 03:26.32 | mathu | i don't think truecrypt asks for your root password. i think it asks for your user password for sudo |
| 03:26.51 | mathu | that's what it did when i used 7.1a to create a new volume like three hours ago, anyway |
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| 03:28.28 | m0rd3cai | mathu http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2015-02-14_22_27_00-dtJnLsA0.png |
| 03:28.47 | m0rd3cai | tried my user pass and root pass, neither work |
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| 03:29.03 | mathu | m0rd3cai: can you use sudo on this machine in a command line? |
| 03:29.04 | m0rd3cai | i have added myself to sudoers file and still no luck |
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| 03:29.09 | m0rd3cai | yes |
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| 03:29.12 | mathu | well, then i don't know haha |
| 03:29.27 | m0rd3cai | ive sudo visudo |
| 03:30.24 | m0rd3cai | then added "username ALL=NOPASSWD /usr/bin/truecrypt" and no luck |
| 03:30.36 | mathu | treund: were you referring to dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:31.22 | m0rd3cai | mathu, is there a better syntax for adding myself to sudoers file? is what i entered the correct entry? |
| 03:31.52 | mathu | well, i typically do the wheel group thing `%wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL` |
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| 03:32.36 | mathu | and then make sure i'm in the wheel group with usermod |
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| 03:35.29 | treund | mathu no the source configure |
| 03:35.51 | mathu | oh, yeah, i know about that |
| 03:36.23 | mathu | was hoping apt would have some portage-like interface into doing these configurations |
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| 03:37.52 | treund | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66560/mutt-smtp-tls-error-sending-mail |
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| 03:44.57 | mathu | treund: my error occurs before successfully signing in. and only on this debian box |
| 03:46.01 | mathu | imap at my uni's email server works fine. imap at gmail fails and says "WEBALERT: accounts.google.com.........". if i copy the config files to my gentoo box, all works fine |
| 03:46.24 | mathu | i kind of suspect it's something to do with gnutls, which isn't used on the gentoo installation |
| 03:47.16 | m0rd3cai | mathu: it was incorrect syntax.... |
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| 03:48.01 | m0rd3cai | the page i found had me ALL= /usr/bin/truecrypt |
| 03:48.13 | m0rd3cai | when i removed the space, it accepted my password and worked |
| 03:48.18 | m0rd3cai | thanks for your help |
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| 03:51.46 | paddy1966 | hi |
| 03:51.55 | mathu | "no curses library found" haha okay configure script |
| 03:54.14 | mathu | one thing i do remember about debian systems from years ago is that the first approach to any problem should be 'install the dev headers' haha. fixed this one |
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| 03:59.18 | ninjazach | mathu: definitely, some distributions separate the headers, etc. I think Red Hat does as well but their I believe their suffix is "-devel" Others don't i.e. Slackware, Arch, etc. |
| 04:02.16 | ninjazach | Sorry about the typos, I went to edit my text and forgot to delete a portion. |
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| 06:29.15 | ^BARrE|^ | does debian support hardware raid |
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| 06:29.57 | OSVG | Depends on the card. |
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| 06:38.26 | miandonmenmian | i have a usb sound mic, but can't seem to find it. which dev should be the audio mic under /dev/ ? or where can I find unrecognized devices? |
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| 06:40.28 | Nyctophilia | scan with "lsusb" |
| 06:40.42 | Nyctophilia | just enter it into cli and post the results here by pastebin |
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| 07:04.33 | miandonmenmian | Nyctophilia: its a webcam with audio, lsusb just shows all the video params but none for audio |
| 07:06.31 | somiaj | miandonmenmian: cat /proc/asound/cards (should show up as an alsa device) |
| 07:08.03 | miandonmenmian | somiaj: does not i believe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10234438/ |
| 07:08.22 | miandonmenmian | my guess is that first device is the internal audio, not USB |
| 07:09.12 | somiaj | the usb webcam I had put its sound device there. |
| 07:09.29 | somiaj | the one I had integrated with my laptop shared the onboard sound device. |
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| 07:10.12 | somiaj | you can also look at teh output of 'dmesg' when you plug it in, see what your kernel detects. |
| 07:10.18 | miandonmenmian | somiaj: is that one connected as USB as well? |
| 07:10.33 | Nyctophilia | [08:09] <somiaj> the usb webcam I had put its sound device there. |
| 07:10.38 | miandonmenmian | im trying to track down snd-usb-audio for debian, perhaps i need this |
| 07:11.09 | miandonmenmian | Nyctophilia: wow, thanks. didnt notice it |
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| 07:11.20 | Nyctophilia | lol |
| 07:11.22 | Nyctophilia | np |
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| 07:12.23 | miandonmenmian | well, the onboard sound device would not magically load the usb mic probably.. |
| 07:12.50 | somiaj | miandonmenmian: yea usb device should be another sound card. What version of debian are you running? How new(ish) is this usb webcam? |
| 07:13.22 | miandonmenmian | somiaj: is quite new usb device. i'm trying on jessie |
| 07:13.43 | miandonmenmian | i'm not expecting to be recognized, im just trying to figure out how to get it working |
| 07:14.02 | somiaj | ahh was gonna suggest using a backported kernel. Do you have the chipset of the actual device? Find anything on google about that chipset/device? |
| 07:15.02 | somiaj | you can sometimes force drivers to assoicate with unknown device id's, but my experience is look up the chipset and see if someone else has figured it out. Not that experienced with tracking down what isn't happening. |
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| 07:16.31 | kmai | hi folks, ever heard of this error? "usb 1-1.2.2: BOGUS urb xfer, pipe 1 != type 3" |
| 07:17.15 | miandonmenmian | somiaj: 6 results on google, by name or usb ID |
| 07:17.46 | somiaj | miandonmenmian: that is where I would start....can't really say more than that if it isn't being detected and you have a fairly new kernel. |
| 07:17.47 | kmai | it keeps crashing my wireless dongle (tl-wn721n). full bug is here https://github.com/qca/open-ath9k-htc-firmware/issues/68 |
| 07:18.16 | Devastator | I want to recompile php5-pgsql package, however it depends on libc-client-dev which is a virtual package, libc-client2007e-dev seems to provide libc-client-dev, do I have to rename it somehow? |
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| 07:20.51 | somiaj | Devastator: no just have the libary that provides the virtual package installed |
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| 07:21.21 | somiaj | Devastator: Does the package you compile depend on that? Or is the ./configure code you are using not deting you have the correct headers installed? |
| 07:22.19 | Devastator | somiaj I have a bit of a mess of packages, it's not a frankendebian yet but I guess there are some packages that was installed when I tried to backports other packages |
| 07:22.52 | Devastator | somiaj it is asked by aptitude build-dep php5-pgsql |
| 07:22.56 | somiaj | Devastator: as long as they are all from teh same debian version repo and you aren't mixing say wheezy/jessie or other things you should be fine. |
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| 07:23.17 | somiaj | so aptitude build-dep php5-pgsql is failing, then you might have mixed versions of things installed. |
| 07:23.27 | Devastator | let me get the output for you |
| 07:23.31 | somiaj | have you tried apt-get build-dep foo |
| 07:24.24 | somiaj | if aptitude is failing with an error about can't find virtual package there is something wrong with your sources (or your currently installed packages) causing the logic to not be able to correctly resolve the dependecies |
| 07:24.37 | somiaj | (or you found a bug in a packagE) |
| 07:24.43 | Devastator | somiaj http://codepad.org/Paqu80TW |
| 07:25.45 | somiaj | ,v libjpeg62-dev |
| 07:25.46 | judd | Package: libjpeg62-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 6b1-1; wheezy: 6b1-3+deb7u1 |
| 07:25.56 | somiaj | ,v libjpeg8-dev |
| 07:25.58 | judd | Package: libjpeg8-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 8b-1; wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1; sid: 8d1-2 |
| 07:26.27 | Devastator | somiaj apt-get build-dep php5-pgsql gives me no error: http://codepad.org/NXXlmXib |
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| 07:27.05 | Devastator | could it be some trace from the sid deb-src line? |
| 07:27.07 | somiaj | I do recall having some issue with the various libjpeg versions when installing the -dev for building, but don't rember what I did to resolve the issue. |
| 07:27.51 | somiaj | Devastator: it could be build depends of this sid package are not satsifiable in wheezy, and you'll have to go backport the build depends you are missing |
| 07:28.11 | somiaj | not all backports are easy, and some are very difficult due to build depends not being stasified in wheezy. |
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| 07:28.55 | Devastator | somiaj in the case I don't want to backport anymore, just recompile for it to get latest libraries from the newer version of postgresql 9.4.1 |
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| 07:29.32 | somiaj | Devastator: another thing to do/pratice, is use a clean chroot to do your backporting in. Sometimes it is far easier to get build depends to work on a minimial chroot for building and not your running system. |
| 07:30.00 | Devastator | somiaj is there a way to clean the references of sid packages? |
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| 07:30.25 | Devastator | I commented the sid deb-src line and ran aptitude update, is that enough? |
| 07:31.01 | somiaj | Devastator: that is fine. But a deb-src won't mess up your system. And using the build depends for the wheezy packge may not be the same as the one from the sid package. |
| 07:31.14 | somiaj | but yea having a deb-src line from sid and then removing it should cause no damage to your system. |
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| 07:31.59 | Devastator | I've tried to follow this, after trying a few backports |
| 07:32.03 | Devastator | !package recompile |
| 07:32.04 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 07:32.44 | somiaj | !tell Devastator about ssb |
| 07:32.59 | somiaj | just another one, very simlar but that is designed for backports vs what you are doing with a package-recompile, but very similar |
| 07:33.23 | somiaj | The only thing I may do differently as I said is do all this inside a clean chroot after using debootstrap to create it |
| 07:33.31 | Devastator | yeah, that's what I use for backporting :) |
| 07:33.37 | somiaj | I am more manual, the package pbuilder just automate the making and using of a clean chroot. |
| 07:33.54 | Devastator | the ssb factoid I mean, never used chroot for it |
| 07:34.17 | Devastator | I guess I will try to recompile anyway |
| 07:34.24 | somiaj | the chroot just makes sure you have a clean system to build in and don't have some strange conflict due to having built various (maybe comflicting) packages. |
| 07:34.27 | Devastator | somiaj should I report that somewhere? |
| 07:34.56 | somiaj | Devastator: report what, that you can't backport this paticular package? Or you can't recompile it using the version from wheezy? |
| 07:35.10 | Devastator | the latter |
| 07:35.55 | somiaj | I would try to reproduce it in a clean chroot make sure it isn't an artifact on your system and can be reporduced. |
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| 07:36.17 | Devastator | is there a factoid for creating a clean chroot? |
| 07:36.19 | somiaj | and if it is for wheezy, you could report a bug if you find it is one, but not sure if much can or will be done about it. |
| 07:36.24 | somiaj | !debootstrap |
| 07:36.25 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 07:36.37 | somiaj | let me look around, instead of guessing |
| 07:36.53 | Devastator | does it matter if it's a VM? |
| 07:37.35 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 07:37.40 | somiaj | A fresh vm would work too |
| 07:37.43 | phix | I like chroot |
| 07:38.00 | phix | lxc is a better chroot |
| 07:38.08 | somiaj | I just find a chroot far easier and don't need to emulate a virtual machine. You are runnign the binaries on your current machine, just in an enviorment that is clean |
| 07:38.24 | phix | somiaj: I like lxc instead of chroot |
| 07:38.25 | somiaj | yea if you are going to use a chroot for anything production, you want a full container and not a chroot. (: |
| 07:38.38 | Devastator | somiaj can I use amd64 as arch? |
| 07:38.44 | somiaj | phix: for building packages I think it is overkill. If you are actually wanting to run stuff inside the chroot then by all means. (: |
| 07:38.57 | somiaj | Devastator: you can use eitehr on an amd64 system. Use the arch of the version you want to test |
| 07:39.13 | Devastator | okie :) |
| 07:39.27 | somiaj | Devastator: I use i386 when i need to build a 32bit package like wine |
| 07:40.15 | phix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.19 | Devastator | somiaj I guess I can use i386 for php5 then :) |
| 07:40.26 | phix | as well as segregating certain services |
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| 07:41.13 | somiaj | phix: yea my use is never needing that. I maybe build one package every few months inside a chroot and then don't use it until the next time. (: |
| 07:41.29 | phix | ah |
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| 07:44.06 | Devastator | somiaj doesn't matter if the "host" is amd64, right? |
| 07:44.43 | somiaj | Devastator: as long as the kernel can run the binaries. But it is rare you have turned off that compadability on an amd64 host |
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| 07:57.53 | Devastator | somiaj should I ignore locale errors? |
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| 08:04.51 | slept | I think I have found a bug in the (testing) debian installer, but I need some help to further track it down. While configuring the network I am asked for iwlwifi-135-5.ucode on an additional usb key or cd. The problem is, that I can only supply -6.ucode from the repository (firmware-iwlwifi_0.43_all.deb) which does not get detected. Looking at the changelog of the package this version has to be around since Mon, 16 Jun 2014 |
| 08:04.51 | slept | 00:49:44. Any suggestions to track down the problem? |
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| 08:09.35 | uwjesq | Hello. What licence do my assets need to have so they can be shipped in the free repo of debian? |
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| 08:10.51 | nkuttler | !tell uwjesq about dfsg |
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| 08:11.59 | phix | uwjesq: There are alot of hoops to jump through but worth it |
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| 08:13.56 | uwjesq | So I need to read a book before I will know which licence to use? |
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| 08:15.45 | uwjesq | Thanks for all your hard work but I guess I just have to choose a licence on my own then. |
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| 08:16.48 | ryouma | uwjesq: nobody can tell you what you need :) but i think most sw uses gnu? |
| 08:17.37 | phix | uwjesq: most likely |
| 08:18.00 | uwjesq | gnu is not a licence but thanks anyhow. |
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| 08:18.09 | phix | gnu is a way of life ;) |
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| 08:19.08 | ryouma | uwjesq: gpl, if you weren't just being pedantic |
| 08:19.23 | celexi | most modern software uses bsd licenses |
| 08:19.32 | celexi | gpl is not much used anymore |
| 08:19.36 | ryouma | and then if it is documentation, there are issues like debian says gnu is non-free, or something |
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| 08:19.55 | uwjesq | brb |
| 08:20.06 | ryouma | celexi: thanks. i am working from a chart drawn a few years ago |
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| 08:20.24 | ryouma | but it was HUGE |
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| 08:27.57 | Devastator | somiaj if you can, ping me later, I'm gonna sleep now :) |
| 08:28.40 | uwjesq | celexi: Is there a particular one I can use? |
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| 08:29.52 | uwjesq | celexi: Or all bsd licences compatible? |
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| 08:36.15 | uwjesq | Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike (CC-BY-SA) v4.0 it is. |
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| 09:00.54 | mathu | so i just upgraded to unstable, reinstalled irssi, and it is broken. it segfaults on launch. 8.17-1. before, when i was just on wheezy, 8.15.5 worked fine |
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| 09:01.18 | mathu | cannot install this older version now because of dependency conflicts; seems that depends on libperl5.14 and now we're on libperl5.20 |
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| 09:15.52 | iveevue | mathu, Why are you using unstable? |
| 09:15.57 | valdyn | mathu: the situation is the same in jessie/testing -> irssi works fine |
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| 09:18.18 | valdyn | uwjesq: im sure you can google for a suitable license. Making your own is a bad idea |
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| 10:39.21 | ychaouche | Hello |
| 10:39.47 | ychaouche | I am writing a small install script for my little daemon and I'm using the "install" command to copy files to their destinations. |
| 10:40.39 | ychaouche | The problem is that install will chmod the files to rwx-r-wr-w, it ignores the original file's permission |
| 10:40.57 | ychaouche | How can I tell it to preserve the permissions ? |
| 10:41.04 | ychaouche | Or should I simply use copy ? (cp) |
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| 10:41.42 | ychaouche | I don't really understand what's the point of using install anyway, I just saw it in a couple of makefiles and figured it should be more appropriate than cp but I don't know for what particular reason. |
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| 10:43.24 | redcheckers | hey, i'm trying to set up a multiboot system, and i want to make a very basic debian partition to use for rescuing stuff if i mess up my encrypted debian, gentoo, and kali partitions... i was gonna set it up using debootstrap to install debian from an existing linux partition as per the d.3 part of the guide, is there a way to see how much the space used by all the files debootstrap installs for me will take? so to plan the partion |
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| 10:44.09 | redcheckers | system* not partition... well both |
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| 10:58.27 | jeremie | Hi o/ |
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| 10:59.39 | jeremie | i'm trying to set up a static ip on my server (a debian wheezy 7.8 , but despite trying to follow many tutorials, i can't figure out what i did wrong >__< |
| 11:00.02 | jeremie | i changed my configuration file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:00.24 | TomasCZ | Hello, I have trouble with Debian testing pulseaudio and getting bt headset to work. Anyone able to help with that? |
| 11:00.58 | jeremie | but whatever i did, it looks like this file isn't listened =/ |
| 11:01.06 | TomasCZ | jeremie, did you restart networking? |
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| 11:02.15 | jeremie | yes, i did, with these commands => /etc/init.d/networking restart and even by restarting my server |
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| 11:03.39 | TomasCZ | Did you get any messages/syslog while doing so? |
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| 11:05.17 | jeremie | sorry i would like to paste my configuration file but i don't remember wich tool i should use to do so,... |
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| 11:05.25 | jeremie | sorry =/ |
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| 11:07.59 | TomasCZ | !dpkg paste |
| 11:08.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:08.21 | TomasCZ | jeremie, could not remember how to make it send |
| 11:08.40 | jeremie | ok, i remember, that was pastebin, apologize, so here it is => http://pastebin.com/Z5qcFQsG |
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| 11:09.12 | jeremie | TomasCZ: yes, thx ^^ |
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| 11:10.12 | jeremie | (eth1 was a simple test, to check if this file was even listened, looks like it was not ) |
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| 11:11.12 | TomasCZ | jeremie, I'm afraid I mostly at least auto eth0 eth1 or allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 11:11.36 | TomasCZ | jeremie, aside that interface configuration you have there |
| 11:12.46 | jeremie | TomasCZ: ok, what does mean allow-hotplug eth0 please ? |
| 11:12.55 | TomasCZ | jeremie, https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 11:13.02 | jeremie | thx ^^ |
| 11:13.33 | phix | ^ |
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| 11:15.44 | TomasCZ | jeremie, I think:auto is for just configure interface, hotplug is for cases when system does bring device down/up depending on cable presence for example |
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| 11:17.39 | jeremie | TomasCZ: ok, i'm trying different files, as i did before, trying to follow what i saw in the wiki, but without success until now |
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| 11:19.00 | TomasCZ | jeremie, I you had just interface configuration there and didn't said you want to enable it, I don't wonder why |
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| 11:21.19 | jeremie | TomasCZ: ok, that might be what i did wrong, so how do i specify that i want to enable it ? isn't it what i did when i wrote this => auto lo eth0 ? |
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| 11:22.36 | TomasCZ | jeremie, for eth0 that should work |
| 11:23.00 | TomasCZ | jeremie, but |
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| 11:23.29 | TomasCZ | jeremie, verify gateway is correct. I don't know where your box is |
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| 11:24.55 | jeremie | TomasCZ: OK ! That's working :D |
| 11:25.18 | jeremie | TomasCZ: THanks for your help, that was great really, i was a bit lsot here ^^ |
| 11:25.25 | jeremie | *lost |
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| 11:26.03 | jeremie | And, for posterity, i made a mistake in my configuration file >__< |
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| 11:30.32 | enlightified | Hi. I figured out my bluetooth problem, it is probably this: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-bluetooth/msg58141.html |
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| 11:31.19 | enlightified | If I blacklist the btusb and ath3k modules and then do this:"sudo modprobe -r xhci_hcd && sudo modprobe btusb && sudo modprobe ath3k && sudo modprobe xhci_hcd" it works. |
| 11:31.54 | piccolo | hi, how to setup new debian install as dhcp client? fresh installed to no network |
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| 11:32.19 | enlightified | My question is what should I do now? should I patch my own ath3k.ko with the patch in the given link or just wait until the patch comes to debian (jessie)? |
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| 11:38.26 | SynrGy | enlightified: you should look for a debian bug corresponding to the issue. you should file one if there isn't one and cross-reference the patch. "waiting for a fix" is never a good approach. |
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| 11:39.00 | SynrGy | enlightified: if you're sufficiently motivated to do the work, apply and test the patch against a debian kernel source and report the outcome on the debian bug. |
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| 11:39.48 | SynrGy | enlightified: yes, we are in freeze now, but there's still time if there's sufficient justification that convinces the release team it should go in. |
| 11:40.04 | SynrGy | enlightified: or rather, i guess you need to first convince the kernel team to apply it. |
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| 11:43.01 | SynrGy | enlightified: or are you saying you know the patch *has* been applied and is in jessie already? |
| 11:43.30 | SynrGy | enlightified: if that's the case, you can try a backports kernel (assuming it's up-to-date with jessie) |
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| 11:43.33 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 11:43.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.18.0-trunk-686-pae (3.18.6-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt2-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.63-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 11:44.13 | SynrGy | looks like jessie's kernel is slightly behind |
| 11:44.24 | SynrGy | er, the backport of jessie's kernel is slightly behind, i meant |
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| 11:45.15 | SynrGy | this patch is apparently only a couple of weeks old, which seems like insufficient time to be accepted upstream and make it all the way to backports. |
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| 11:48.00 | no_gravity | when i look at the output of top and a pid uses "71220 virt", "7804 res" and "0 cpu" is it safe to say it uses almost no resources at all? |
| 11:49.13 | SynrGy | it's relative, of course, but on a modern system i would say that's a fair characterization |
| 11:49.30 | no_gravity | ok. i guess the "7804 res" means bytes? |
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| 11:50.00 | centrx | It uses 7MB of RAM |
| 11:50.16 | no_gravity | aha. so it's kb? |
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| 11:50.30 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.31 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.37 | SynrGy | aren't man pages a wonderful thing? :) |
| 11:50.41 | no_gravity | interesting |
| 11:50.43 | SynrGy | so much faster than irc |
| 11:51.08 | SynrGy | is apparently a man page proxy |
| 11:51.17 | piccololittlefoo | hello, I have a question about setting up my dhcp client on a fresh install of wheezy from live usb, I'm new to debian from ubuntu sorry! when you're ready, thanks guys |
| 11:52.16 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: that's not how it's done. you don't wait until someone is ready, you just: |
| 11:52.19 | SynrGy | !ask |
| 11:52.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:52.21 | piccololittlefoo | I have done a fresh install and the dhcp client hasnt worked as expected my network cable is plugged in but there is no connection |
| 11:52.35 | piccololittlefoo | how do I connect to the router as dhcp client? |
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| 11:52.44 | SynrGy | it "just works" unless there's a driver issue |
| 11:52.52 | SynrGy | did you install over wireless, perhaps? |
| 11:52.56 | piccololittlefoo | no |
| 11:52.59 | piccololittlefoo | ethernet |
| 11:53.12 | piccololittlefoo | but it did download a lot |
| 11:53.13 | SynrGy | let's see the output of lspci -nn |
| 11:53.14 | piccololittlefoo | so I |
| 11:53.17 | SynrGy | put it on paste.debian.net |
| 11:53.27 | SynrGy | oh. during the install you had network? |
| 11:54.04 | SynrGy | during the install when the network was configured, you selected the default which is to detect the network and configure automatically? |
| 11:54.13 | piccololittlefoo | yes |
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| 11:54.30 | Juslintek | Hi, how to figure out what raid my dedicated is ran on? |
| 11:54.53 | SynrGy | you said you did a "fresh install of wheezy from live usb". can you link to the image you used? and which installer did you run? the "Install" option from the boot menu or the launcher from the desktop? |
| 11:54.55 | Juslintek | THere is proxmox installed |
| 11:55.02 | SynrGy | !proxmox |
| 11:55.03 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 11:55.31 | piccololittlefoo | install option from grub on live usb |
| 11:55.43 | SynrGy | ok. and which image? |
| 11:55.44 | no_gravity | Juslintek: what does "fdisk -l" output? |
| 11:55.46 | piccololittlefoo | just getting lspci -nn now - couple of mins |
| 11:55.56 | Juslintek | I'm running: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 11:57.01 | SynrGy | Juslintek: first of all, that's oldstable and obsolete. second, if the issue relates to finding out about the underlying proxmox host, i think that's a proxmox question, not a debian question. |
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| 11:58.23 | chris__ | hello |
| 11:58.29 | chris__ | can someone help me please? |
| 11:58.33 | SynrGy | !ask |
| 11:58.34 | Juslintek | fdisk -l output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10237497/ |
| 11:58.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:58.36 | bazhang | with what |
| 11:58.40 | chris__ | i have trouble installing debian with an usb flash drive |
| 11:58.55 | SynrGy | elaborate, using the advice from the dpkg bot factoid above |
| 11:58.55 | chris__ | i get the message that no cd rom drive is detected |
| 11:59.00 | chris__ | but i can start the installing |
| 11:59.15 | themill | chris__: how did you copy the image to the usb drive? |
| 11:59.22 | Juslintek | no_gravity, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10237497/ |
| 11:59.31 | SynrGy | sounds like unetbootin |
| 11:59.33 | SynrGy | !unetbootin |
| 11:59.33 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 11:59.35 | themill | indeed |
| 11:59.36 | chris__ | themill: xboot |
| 11:59.52 | SynrGy | oh ... not x86 arch? |
| 11:59.56 | chris__ | themill: i tried to mount the usb drive as cdrom, didnt worked also |
| 12:00.10 | SynrGy | hmm, may fail for similar reasons |
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| 12:00.30 | themill | xboot is another tool that does "multiple ISOs on the one usb disk" isn't it? |
| 12:00.36 | chris__ | yes |
| 12:00.37 | chris__ | right |
| 12:00.41 | SynrGy | if you have other options, use them. |
| 12:00.44 | chris__ | i tried it with like 5 different tools |
| 12:00.47 | SynrGy | see what the Debian Installation Guide recommends. |
| 12:00.47 | chris__ | nothing seems to work |
| 12:00.59 | SynrGy | were you following the guide or just finding random solutions with google? |
| 12:01.07 | no_gravity | Juslintek: im not very familiar with this kind of stuff. what does "mount" show? |
| 12:01.10 | chris__ | the installer just try to detect any cdrom drive, but my pc have no cd rom drive, im using the usb stick |
| 12:01.11 | Juslintek | SunrGy, if I would apt-get update apt-get upgrade to wheezy would that crash proxmox with all its virtual machines? |
| 12:01.13 | themill | chris__: cp and dd both work just fine |
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| 12:01.27 | chris__ | themill: what do you mean? |
| 12:01.34 | SynrGy | Juslintek: again, i can't say, as it seems to be a proxomox question. |
| 12:01.41 | chris__ | themill: right now i dont have any linux, thats my first distro to install |
| 12:01.45 | themill | chris__: fancy tools aren't actually required (and are normally the problem) |
| 12:01.46 | SynrGy | Juslintek: see the support channel info i gave above. |
| 12:01.46 | Juslintek | SynrGy thanx |
| 12:01.46 | themill | ahh |
| 12:01.52 | Juslintek | no_gravity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10237527/ |
| 12:01.53 | themill | !win32diskimager |
| 12:01.53 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 12:01.55 | themill | chris__: ^^ |
| 12:01.56 | chris__ | themill: but i can go into a shell while installing |
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| 12:02.09 | MrFluffy | Hi, after a quick steer where to rtfm on something for a debian 7.7 install. I have two keyboards on a machine (its running a cnc milling machine with linuxcnc as the control) and one is a normal keyboard, and the second is a butchered microsoft natural, with the keys connected up to the machines joysticks for operator inputs. I need to be able to remap the keycodes for the joystick keyboard only so that eg the keycode for f (thin |
| 12:02.32 | no_gravity | Juslintek: hmm.. i don't know. you need somebody who has more experience with this. |
| 12:02.52 | bazhang | eg the keycode for f (thi <--- got cut off MrFluffy |
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| 12:03.04 | chris__ | themill: i tried it with this program also :( |
| 12:03.21 | MrFluffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.34 | chris__ | themill: i can boot the usb drive and come into installation screen, but then it says no cd rom detected |
| 12:03.36 | MrFluffy | sorry didnt realize there was a char limit |
| 12:04.14 | SynrGy | MrFluffy: if you have a longer prepared question, rather than pasting to channel, use paste.debian.net |
| 12:04.37 | MrFluffy | I'll just be less verbose in future, type fast, bad habit |
| 12:04.44 | enlightified | SynrGy: I don't think it's applied in jessie. I am running jessie now. I'll check. |
| 12:04.46 | SynrGy | MrFluffy: first line truncated at "keycode for f (thin" and then continues at " maps to pgup ..." |
| 12:05.00 | SynrGy | MrFluffy: well, you need to fill us in on the missing bit at least |
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| 12:05.23 | MrFluffy | let me try this again... I have a debian 7.7 box with two keyboards, and want to remap the keys only on the second, whats the tool I should be reading up on to do this? |
| 12:05.24 | themill | chris__: being able to start the installation does not mean that it will complete properly. |
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| 12:05.37 | no_gravity | How would you guys extract the last string enquoted in "" from a logfile? |
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| 12:06.07 | SynrGy | chris__: that failure pattern is a classic pattern for "the image was written to the media incorrectly by a tool that is not supported by the installer" |
| 12:06.28 | enlightified | SynrGy: what is the best why to check the source? i.e how would you do it? |
| 12:06.35 | SynrGy | chris__: we've seen it many times before. more often with unetbootin, but any similar tool will mangle it in the same way. |
| 12:06.47 | MrFluffy | no_gravity: tail -1 logfile | sed 's/"//g' - |
| 12:06.47 | chris__ | ok, SynrGy themill could it be, because i use an usb 3.0 stick? |
| 12:06.56 | SynrGy | enlightified: you would look through the git log of the kernel source upstream to see if the patch was accepted ... |
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| 12:07.03 | SynrGy | enlightified: searching for 'ath3k' i suppose |
| 12:07.12 | SynrGy | enlightified: or the gitref of the patch, probably more precise |
| 12:07.13 | enlightified | thanks. |
| 12:07.26 | SynrGy | enlightified: then you would repeat this process for the debian source |
| 12:07.50 | SynrGy | (assuming you found it was accepted upstream: it's doubtful if debian applied it if upstream never accepted it) |
| 12:08.01 | SynrGy | enlightified: and in any case, file that debian bug as your first step |
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| 12:08.51 | SynrGy | enlightified: have you filed a debian bug before? |
| 12:08.54 | SynrGy | !tell enlightified about reportbug |
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| 12:09.02 | no_gravity | MrFluffy: that gives me the last line of the log with the quotes removed. |
| 12:09.29 | no_gravity | MrFluffy: what i want is: INPUT: bla die blubb "ta du ba" hey ho OUTPUT: ta du ba |
| 12:10.13 | enlightified | Ok then, first I'll learn bug report, then I'll report ... |
| 12:10.30 | SynrGy | enlightified: oh, did you read the whole ubuntu bug? it says there it has been accepted in mainline. |
| 12:10.32 | chris__ | themill: if i use disk imager,and when i see my usb drive in the windoes "computer" screen, it doesnt shows any size, it looks just broken. is it normal? |
| 12:10.49 | SynrGy | enlightified: that's a good sign. it means it's a candidate for the debian kernel devs to backport it. |
| 12:10.56 | MrFluffy | yes i was just thinking that myself, needs a grep wedging in too :- tail -1 |grep -o '".*"' - | sed 's/"//g' |
| 12:11.10 | jelly-home | no_gravity: | awk -F\" '{print $(NF-1)}' |
| 12:11.58 | chris__ | SynrGy: if i use disk imager,and when i see my usb drive in the windoes "computer" screen, it doesnt shows any size, it looks just broken. is it normal? |
| 12:12.04 | no_gravity | jelly-home: does not work. try yourself: echo a b "c d" e f "g h" i j | awk -F\" '{print $(NF-1)}' |
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| 12:12.26 | jelly-home | no_gravity: your echo doesn't do what you want it to |
| 12:12.30 | chris__ | SynrGy: i cant even open my usb drive in windows now |
| 12:12.33 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: having trouble getting that lspci -nn output? by the way, i'm really more interested to start out with, which image did you download and install from? url, please. |
| 12:12.57 | no_gravity | jelly-home: oh, you are righ! thanks! it works :) |
| 12:13.01 | empezar | my ssh session freezes for 1-5 seconds every 5-10 seconds, wtf? checking "top" shows me that every time a process consumes 0,3%+ cpu my ssh freezes. this debian is running as VM with 2 virtual processors and 4 GB ram |
| 12:13.05 | no_gravity | jelly-home: what does it mean? |
| 12:13.11 | empezar | anyone have a clue wtf is up? |
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| 12:13.28 | SynrGy | chris__: windows may not see anything on the drive. but as long as it's listed, the disk imager should be able to write the debian iso to it |
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| 12:13.54 | SynrGy | chris__: any linux-specific filesystems on the drive would be unintelligble to windows. |
| 12:13.58 | jelly-home | no_gravity: using " as delimiter, output only the next-to-last field |
| 12:14.12 | SynrGy | chris__: also, i don't know what xboot writes into the boot sector. that may be unintelligible to windows as well. |
| 12:14.33 | chris__ | SynrGy: no it was listed normaly like "g" "3gb/29gb"... then i used the win32 disk imager and after i wrote the image on usb it just shows the name of the usb drive and nothing else, and i cannot open the usb drive folder |
| 12:14.34 | jelly-home | no_gravity: it will break if there are unmatched " in the line, or if there are none |
| 12:14.51 | piccololittlefoo | How do you type > on a pc105 keyboard with an italian layout? and how do you change layout from xterm |
| 12:14.57 | SynrGy | chris__: i see. don't worry about that. can you boot from the usb now? |
| 12:15.00 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I manually removed an executable (/usr/sbin/dnsmasq) installed by its package. How do I get apt-get to put it back in place. |
| 12:15.05 | no_gravity | jelly-home: awesome! |
| 12:15.05 | chris__ | SynrGy: let me try |
| 12:15.40 | SynrGy | ElDiabolo: apt-get install --reinstall dnsmasq (assuming that's the name of the package) |
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| 12:15.56 | jelly-home | piccololittlefoo: what does the key next to left shift do |
| 12:16.05 | piccololittlefoo | Z |
| 12:16.15 | no_gravity | jelly-home: it doesn't matter that only some values are enquoted in "? |
| 12:16.20 | piccololittlefoo | on italian kb the key between Z and left shift is <> |
| 12:16.20 | jelly-home | piccololittlefoo: then it's not a pc105 |
| 12:16.26 | piccololittlefoo | but this is dell latitude |
| 12:16.30 | piccololittlefoo | US |
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| 12:16.45 | piccololittlefoo | ah |
| 12:17.06 | chris__ | SynrGy: now the bios dont even detect my usb stick |
| 12:17.17 | jelly-home | piccololittlefoo: well, "setxkbmap us" will change to us layout |
| 12:17.54 | SynrGy | chris__: did you press whatever key your BIOS uses to bring up the device list and it's not there, you mean? |
| 12:17.56 | piccololittlefoo | thanks I tried setxkbmap latitude but no banana |
| 12:18.06 | SynrGy | chris__: even after a cold boot? (power down, then boot) |
| 12:18.08 | chris__ | SynrGy: right |
| 12:18.27 | jelly-home | no_gravity: as long as at least one string is properly quoted on each line, and there are no dangling quotes, it ought to work |
| 12:18.28 | chris__ | SynrGy: i changed the bios to uefi, but it doesnt rly works also |
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| 12:18.43 | no_gravity | jelly-home: very awesome. thanks! |
| 12:18.46 | SynrGy | chris__: oh! uefi ... argh. i don't know how to deal with that |
| 12:18.48 | SynrGy | !uefi |
| 12:18.48 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 12:19.26 | SynrGy | hm, that factoid wasn't very helpful. i guess i would look in the debian installation guide about it. |
| 12:19.40 | SynrGy | anyone else here who can help chris__ with UEFI? |
| 12:19.41 | ElDiabolo | SynrG, Thats what I thought, too. Funny thing is, it did not work. But looking twice I discovered the file is contained in dnsmasq-base. |
| 12:19.46 | SynrGy | themill: any clue? |
| 12:19.56 | chris__ | SynrGy: what does it means? when i did it with different tools like xboot or whatever, my bios NEVER detected the stick while in legacy OS. i always had to change to UEFI before, then restart the pc, then i could see my usb stick and set it as 1. boot device |
| 12:20.01 | SynrGy | ElDiabolo: yes. $ apt-file search /usr/sbin/dnsmasq |
| 12:20.02 | SynrGy | dnsmasq-base: /usr/sbin/dnsmasq |
| 12:20.19 | SynrGy | ElDiabolo: highly recommended tool :) also, packags.debian.org can search contents of packages for filepaths |
| 12:20.24 | SynrGy | packages.debian.org |
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| 12:21.43 | SynrGy | chris__: let me research this a bit. i have no UEFI hardware ... |
| 12:22.12 | redcheckers | all my machines but my androids and my rpi have UEFI :( |
| 12:22.28 | chris__ | SynrGy: ty, but now my usb stick is broken bc i used win32 disk imager, i cant open it under windows, what should i do? |
| 12:22.36 | redcheckers | chris__: what was your uefi problem ? |
| 12:22.54 | no_gravity | can netstat be told to only show outbound connections? |
| 12:22.58 | redcheckers | chris__: your uesb stick doesnt let you read it... do you care about old data on it, or you just want to use it for something new? |
| 12:23.11 | SynrGy | chris__: i believe 'broken' is relative. i think you'll find the USB stick boots fine on non-UEFI hardware |
| 12:23.29 | redcheckers | SynrGy: my uefi hardware boots my usb sticks fine ... |
| 12:23.31 | chris__ | redcheckers: i dont care about data, i used win32 disk imager, after it the stick seems broken |
| 12:23.46 | SynrGy | redcheckers: that's not the problem at hand. chris__ is attempting to install debian. chris__ used xboot and failed. |
| 12:24.17 | SynrGy | redcheckers: if you know anything about how to install debian on UEFI hardware, the dpkg factoid was singularly unhelpful. but i haven't looked yet at what the debian installation guide says, which is where i was going to look next. |
| 12:24.23 | redcheckers | SynrGy: ah... for my install to a uefi disk of debian, i used the debian net install .iso image, and unetbootin to write it to a usb disk that had a fat 32 partition, created by using gparted |
| 12:24.30 | redcheckers | uefi laptop's disk * of debian |
| 12:24.34 | SynrGy | unetbootin, arggh |
| 12:24.47 | SynrGy | very easy to shoot yourself in the foot with that tool. |
| 12:24.57 | chris__ | redcheckers: the prob is, i want to install debian with usb 3.0 stick. the bios just can detect the stick when i use uefi (when i write the disk to usb with win32 disk imager, not even uefi detects my usb stick in bios). when i come to the installation scrreen it cant detect any cdrom drive or something. but i am installing from USB... |
| 12:24.57 | redcheckers | SynrGy: yeah, i didnt want to waste time going to the store to buy a blank cd to burn to though. |
| 12:25.16 | redcheckers | chris__: are you using 'secure boot' or 'legacy mode secure boot disabled' ? |
| 12:25.17 | SynrGy | redcheckers: also, 'install to attached USB' is an atypical install scenario |
| 12:25.35 | redcheckers | SynrGy: indeed, i've seen some people do it using qemu, but that felt so backwards to me |
| 12:25.47 | chris__ | redcheckers: if i use legacy os it cant detect my usb stick anyway. secure boot is enabled |
| 12:26.10 | SynrGy | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 12:26.11 | redcheckers | chris__: are you trying to boot from an efi stub, or an efi file of some kind? the way uefi usually likes? |
| 12:26.16 | SynrGy | checking this now for advice on UEFI |
| 12:26.18 | ychaouche | How do I copy a file and keep its permissions ? |
| 12:26.28 | chris__ | redcheckers: i absolutely dont know what it means lol |
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| 12:26.37 | ychaouche | I'm trying to copy a rw- file to a location but it is copied as rwx |
| 12:26.44 | chris__ | redcheckers: i just wrote the image to usb stick and want to install it |
| 12:27.08 | SynrGy | oh. the factoid referred to errta for it. sec |
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| 12:27.52 | redcheckers | chris__: i havent done it that way, so i cant help much.... but every time i try to boot a linux with secure boot enabled, it wants two things from me... an efi friendly bootloader /stub'd kernel, and a gtp partition table. |
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| 12:28.22 | redcheckers | gpt* |
| 12:28.34 | chris__ | redcheckers: ok, so i just disable secure boot maybe? |
| 12:28.40 | SynrGy | chris__: the errata are on this page. scroll down to the part about UEFI issues: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:28.59 | redcheckers | chris__: if you disable secure boot, you should be able to boot it normally... yes |
| 12:29.09 | redcheckers | chris__: but also make sure your boot order will try to boot your usb device first |
| 12:29.12 | chris__ | ok ty guy |
| 12:29.24 | chris__ | SynrGy: redcheckers how can i fix my broken usb stick now? |
| 12:29.27 | SynrGy | chris__: however, it looks like you haven't even gotten far enough to encounter either of the issues mentioned in errata |
| 12:29.41 | redcheckers | chris__: what do you mean by ' fix ' :) |
| 12:29.47 | chris__ | SynrGy: yes i did, i was in the installation process already from debia |
| 12:29.52 | SynrGy | chris__: if you write over the boot sector and partition table, windows will see it as a clean disk and you'll be able to reuse it |
| 12:29.58 | chris__ | redcheckers: i cant open my stick in windows now |
| 12:30.08 | k69 | Hi, im installing openstack on debian wheezy nodes by ubuntu manual. at the section http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt-debian/content/neutron-network-node.html where it has to install neutron-metadata-agent, it just seems not installing the package. there is no service and neither /etc/neutron/neutron-metadata-agent.config file to edit. i have used these debian backports http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt-debia |
| 12:30.08 | k69 | n/content/ch_basic_environment.html#basics-packages but it seems its not enough. are there additional backports related to openstack juno neutron installation? thanks |
| 12:30.35 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy here's my lspci -nn --long message! |
| 12:30.35 | redcheckers | chris__: try either of mkfs.fat16 /dev/myusbstick1 , or mkdosfs /dev/myusbstick1 , supplying different device name/parttion number as needed? |
| 12:30.37 | chris__ | SynrGy: redcheckers when i want to format my stick now it will have 2,77gb. but it has 30gb before |
| 12:30.49 | chris__ | redcheckers: i have no linux os running here lol |
| 12:30.51 | redcheckers | chris__: ah... then you first want to use parted or fdisk or gparted on it |
| 12:30.56 | redcheckers | chris__: ooo. |
| 12:31.07 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: on paste.debian.net, please |
| 12:31.14 | redcheckers | chris__: did you try something like hewlet packards' hp format tool to try and erase it? some newer windows get picky about letting you change partitions |
| 12:31.34 | chris__ | redcheckers: ok i try to find something like gparted for windows |
| 12:31.42 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: also as i said, i want to know what live USB you used. URL to it, please. |
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| 12:35.53 | SynrGy | chris__: sorry, we're now out of my depth as it's a windows problem. but i think the web contains advice for how to overwrite the mbr at least. |
| 12:35.54 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy its up under piccolol |
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| 12:36.16 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: i didn't see any link to it. |
| 12:36.37 | chris__ | SynrGy: no problem, i think i can fix my usb drive, its formating right now. then i will try to write the image with xboot again and try it without secure boot |
| 12:36.56 | SynrGy | chris__: good luck, and sorry for the pain. but that's UEFI for you :( |
| 12:37.17 | chris__ | SynrGy: but the problem is not the booting. i could boot it. but when it wanted to install the files of debian it said it couldnt detect a cd rom. but my data is in usb not cd rom. shouldnt i mount my usb as cd rom? |
| 12:37.24 | redcheckers | SynrGy: uefi also offers fears for the paranoid about the government crowd... its not just a thing that makes non ms harder |
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| 12:37.49 | SynrGy | chris__: it doesn't matter. that is exactly what you see if the installer is confused about where to find the image. |
| 12:37.53 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy http://paste.debian.net/148833 |
| 12:38.15 | chris__ | SynrGy: ok, i keep trying. thank you SynrGy and redcheckers |
| 12:38.30 | redcheckers | chris__: good luck, also, if you decide to try it, unetbootin for windows sometimes works too |
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| 12:39.00 | SynrGy | chris__, redcheckers: as i said, unetbootin *more often than not* leads to an unusable result (and 'cannot find cd' is a typical outcome) |
| 12:39.04 | chris__ | redcheckers: ty, already tried unetbootin and many different tools :) |
| 12:39.42 | redcheckers | chris__: but did you try them before switching to legacy boot? / not secure boot? |
| 12:40.01 | chris__ | SynrGy: redcheckers you guys think if i use an external dvd drive with usb, could it work better? |
| 12:40.12 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: i'm still waiting also for a URL to the debian live image you used. |
| 12:40.14 | redcheckers | SynrGy: i agree, but if he doesnt have a linux system to work with, it would be hard to follow common steps like changing the device it searches for the cd image in |
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| 12:40.49 | chris__ | redcheckers: no, but my bios automaticaly switch to legacy. mybe because i have windows on this machine too. i want to usw both os on one machine |
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| 12:40.57 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: i see no ethernet there. is it a USB ethernet devie? |
| 12:40.59 | SynrGy | device* |
| 12:41.00 | panamark | redcheckers: i faced many times in the past no cd found: just manually find the cdrom |
| 12:41.04 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy http://paste.debian.net/148833 |
| 12:41.09 | panamark | *usb |
| 12:41.18 | piccololittlefoo | the url? |
| 12:41.31 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: the URL to the live image that you used to install from |
| 12:41.38 | chris__ | panamark: there is a shell when i am in installing process also, could it work to change the usb to cd rom? |
| 12:42.09 | redcheckers | chris__: if it supports loopback mounting the image file you are trying to edit, then yes. |
| 12:42.23 | redcheckers | chris__: but it sounded like panamark meant finding it manually when you are trying to boot into the installer |
| 12:42.39 | panamark | You just have to add the location of the cdrom ex /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:42.39 | chris__ | i can boot into the installer |
| 12:42.42 | chris__ | thats not the problem |
| 12:42.49 | SynrGy | the installer should do roll call on all the block devices and find the one that contains the installer |
| 12:42.56 | redcheckers | chris__: do you know the specific error you are encountering? |
| 12:43.19 | chris__ | cant find cd rom device |
| 12:43.36 | SynrGy | so one scenario is, there is a usable block device containing the installer, but the installer just can't find it during that roll call. i think at the very end, after exhausting all possibilities it says "can't find cd rom device" |
| 12:43.50 | SynrGy | (even though you booted successfully from usb) |
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| 12:44.17 | SynrGy | i don't know what panamark meant by "add the location of the cdrom" (and by cdrom we mean "USB" here) |
| 12:44.28 | redcheckers | chris__: i wouldn't recommend it, but you might also try just using qemu or a similar program, to install to the target disk, while still in windows |
| 12:44.36 | chris__ | maybe mount /dev/sdb1 /cdrom? |
| 12:44.37 | SynrGy | but i assume this means somehow telling the installer explicitly where the image is instead of probing for it |
| 12:44.41 | chris__ | but i tried already, didnt worked |
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| 12:44.52 | SynrGy | i think rather than guessing, we need some documented process for doing this :) |
| 12:44.55 | SynrGy | you can't be the only one |
| 12:45.25 | SynrGy | so before pursuing any more guesses, waiting for panamark to clarify |
| 12:45.25 | redcheckers | SynrGy: i saw a process a while ago, but i dont remember how i'd found it, basically if you mounted the image of the installer first, there is a part where you can change the device names it searches for. |
| 12:45.39 | panamark | If you have cdrom problems download the hd-media bersion |
| 12:45.54 | panamark | http://ftp.el.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 12:46.06 | redcheckers | chris__: you only have the one computer right? |
| 12:46.07 | panamark | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 12:46.24 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: so i'm waiting on two pieces of info from you: 1. the URL to the live image you used to do the install and 2. is your ethernet provided via a USB dongle? the supplied paste didn't list any Ethernet devices, only a Wireless device. |
| 12:46.30 | panamark | its the jessie image for amd64 |
| 12:46.33 | chris__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwKB2G6DCWk |
| 12:46.34 | chris__ | here |
| 12:46.37 | chris__ | he fix the problem |
| 12:46.41 | chris__ | he had the same error |
| 12:46.45 | chris__ | but it doesnt works for me |
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| 12:47.14 | redcheckers | chris__: did you try sr0 instead of cdrom? |
| 12:47.22 | chris__ | redcheckers: no i have two. here i am on my win7 desktop, and i want to install linux on my laptop where is win7 installed also |
| 12:47.29 | chris__ | redcheckers: no |
| 12:47.38 | redcheckers | chris__: maybe you could try booting the usb in the other machine, and see if it works ? |
| 12:47.55 | piccololittlefoo | its live amd64 cd dated 10th Jan, don't have the original URL, sorry - can you still help? |
| 12:47.59 | chris__ | it works as virtual machine |
| 12:48.03 | chris__ | on my desktop |
| 12:48.04 | SynrGy | panamark: that didn't answer my question about what you meant by "< panamark> You just have to add the location of the cdrom ex /dev/sdb1" |
| 12:48.08 | redcheckers | chris__: or, running a tftpd/ server on one of the windows boxes, and booting the other machine via netboot/pxeboot to load the installer image |
| 12:48.22 | SynrGy | ouch. very user unfriendly process, that |
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| 12:48.34 | redcheckers | SynrGy: it sure is. but it can also be a great trick at parties ;) |
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| 12:48.38 | chris__ | redcheckers: is it easy? i am kinda a noob. i dont know much about linux |
| 12:48.39 | SynrGy | :p |
| 12:48.43 | SynrGy | it's *not* easy |
| 12:48.47 | SynrGy | let's not go there right now. |
| 12:48.48 | redcheckers | chris__: it's easy, but tedious and slow |
| 12:48.50 | chris__ | redcheckers: is networkinstallation very difficult? |
| 12:48.55 | SynrGy | easy is "relative" |
| 12:49.00 | chris__ | redcheckers: ok i could try it, ty |
| 12:49.01 | redcheckers | chris__: not once the tftpd is working right, no. |
| 12:49.12 | redcheckers | chris__: but setting it up takes a few hours imho even if you have done it before |
| 12:49.14 | syeekick | can you install a driver jockey on debian? like i wanted to use the additional drivers jockey ubuntu uses |
| 12:49.25 | chris__ | redcheckers: some hours? wow crazy ok |
| 12:49.32 | redcheckers | chris__: well, that includes how slow my net is. |
| 12:49.45 | SynrGy | syeekick: wtf? ok, maybe it would be better to describe your actual problem instead of how you envision it might be fixed. |
| 12:50.10 | redcheckers | chris__: it basically involves setting up a daemon on your first machine that will watch for requests on the lan, and then send an ip address and a file that tells the machine to load the install image |
| 12:50.12 | benxyzzy | What's the common way of duplicating Ubuntu's 'nobootwait' fstab option? ie. I want to auto mount a drive during/immediately after startup, but not interrupt the boot process when the drive's not connected |
| 12:50.16 | SynrGy | syeekick: debian has its own way of managing non-free drivers, distinct from ubuntu, so any solution you used on ubuntu may not apply at al |
| 12:50.20 | SynrGy | all* |
| 12:50.43 | chris__ | ty guys, i have to go now. im back later and try again |
| 12:50.54 | SynrGy | syeekick: so, which hardware are you having difficulty getting drivers working for? |
| 12:51.02 | redcheckers | chris__: so you have to get a (i like free versions) app that does that, and then set it up... and then on the machine you want to net boot, you go into bios/uefi settings menu and select netboot or pxe boot (for just that time) |
| 12:51.03 | SynrGy | syeekick: and on which debian release? |
| 12:51.07 | redcheckers | chrisc: good luck |
| 12:51.17 | syeekick | i mean the convenience of having a driver jockey would be tremendous, in regards to installing nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 12:51.27 | SynrGy | syeekick: as i said, we have ways of doing this. |
| 12:51.30 | SynrGy | we need specifics |
| 12:51.33 | SynrGy | !nvidia |
| 12:51.33 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:51.36 | panamark | SynrGry: At some point you should get an error "No common CDROM found". At that point you aere asked whether you wamt to manually find the cdrom |
| 12:51.37 | syeekick | wheezy |
| 12:51.57 | SynrGy | !nvidia dkms |
| 12:51.58 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 12:52.10 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy it's 7.8 stable wheezy i386 main contrib released 10th Jan 2015 |
| 12:52.24 | SynrGy | syeekick: multi step process. add contrib and non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, then do the nvidia dkms advice above. |
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| 12:52.51 | syeekick | ok :) |
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| 12:53.04 | SynrGy | panamark: i see. but too bad chris__ is gone now :( |
| 12:53.13 | SynrGy | panamark: would've been nice to have that info before he left |
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| 12:53.33 | panamark | didnt notice :P |
| 12:53.39 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy I have the version file with the checksum if that helps |
| 12:53.43 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: which flavour? there are multiple images. |
| 12:54.04 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: 'standard', 'gnome', 'lxde', 'kde', 'xfce4' ...? |
| 12:54.20 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy ah lxde |
| 12:54.35 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: ok. and how about the USB vs PCI question? |
| 12:54.46 | piccololittlefoo | didn't get that. |
| 12:54.49 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: it looks like the kernel cannot see your ethernet (at least not as a PCI) |
| 12:54.55 | piccololittlefoo | ask again please |
| 12:55.12 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: is ethernet built into your motherboard or is it provided by an attached device (e.g. by USB dongle)? |
| 12:55.18 | piccololittlefoo | built in |
| 12:55.33 | SynrGy | is it possible it is toggled *off* by a BIOS setting? |
| 12:55.49 | SynrGy | the lspci output from http://paste.debian.net/148833 is missing any mention of it |
| 12:55.56 | piccololittlefoo | always possible |
| 12:55.57 | piccololittlefoo | brb |
| 12:55.59 | enlightified | SynrGy: I made a mess of that bug report! https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778463. Should have used more line breaks! What should I do now? |
| 12:56.36 | SynrGy | enlightified: don't worry. the info is there. |
| 12:56.56 | piccololittlefoo | doesnt explain how it managed to dl during installation - checking now |
| 12:57.30 | SynrGy | enlightified: that's enough for the kernel devs to take action on it. thanks for submitting that report. and good luck |
| 12:57.45 | SynrGy | enlightified: at this point, you can try actually applying the patch, building the kernel as per the kernel handbook instructions. |
| 12:57.55 | enlightified | Shouldn't I try to patch my kernel or should I just wait now :). |
| 12:58.04 | enlightified | ah ok! |
| 12:58.10 | SynrGy | yes, but make sure you're following the correct procedure for testing a patch |
| 12:58.28 | SynrGy | you may wish to communicate with #debian-kernel about this, citing the bug# you just filed. |
| 12:58.47 | enlightified | SynrGy: ah ok. I have learnt so much :) |
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| 12:59.32 | SynrGy | yes. participating in the free software process makes you smarter :) |
| 12:59.38 | enlightified | SynrGy: Thank you, I'll do my thesis a bit, then I'll come back for the rest :). |
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| 13:00.06 | SynrGy | great. hope to hear how it turns out |
| 13:00.21 | enlightified | SynrGy: I don't think it can make me any smarter that I already am :P. But it can try. |
| 13:00.30 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy yep, I'm a tard. Switched off NIC thinking I was switching off PXE |
| 13:00.37 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy thanks |
| 13:00.38 | SynrGy | enlightified: you're that smart, eh? :) |
| 13:00.46 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: oh dear. :) |
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| 13:00.51 | SynrGy | piccololittlefoo: all's well that ends well |
| 13:01.56 | piccololittlefoo | SynrGy Indeed. :) |
| 13:02.09 | enlightified | SynrGy I didn't say I am smart, I just said I couldn't be smarter :). Thanks you again. I'll get to work. |
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| 13:05.06 | SynrGy | enlightified: heh. you can always get smarter. study hard :) |
| 13:05.16 | SynrGy | np. my pleasure |
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| 13:20.31 | reavengrey | Hey, I did upgrde nd suddenly my distro is gnome3 |
| 13:20.41 | reavengrey | nd now ll my settings re out of order |
| 13:20.45 | reavengrey | nd my keybord settings |
| 13:20.52 | reavengrey | to fix my missing key |
| 13:20.57 | reavengrey | re gone, why? |
| 13:21.08 | reavengrey | no wrning, just suddent gnome 3? |
| 13:21.56 | centrx | reavengrey, You're probably not running the release/stable version of Debian |
| 13:22.04 | reavengrey | this is stble |
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| 13:22.51 | centrx | stable has had Gnome 3 since it was released... |
| 13:24.33 | snadge | hmm.. there is no smokeping.service for smokeping in jessie ? |
| 13:24.56 | snadge | im rather ignorant when it comes to systemd.. so i cant figure out why it wont start.. the service smokeping start seems to do nothing.. and i cant find any error relating to why |
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| 13:36.34 | neagle3 | What are kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64? |
| 13:36.41 | neagle3 | How are those "processor architectures" |
| 13:36.42 | neagle3 | ? |
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| 13:38.07 | tremon | neagle3: they're not |
| 13:38.13 | metallic | neagle3, sounds more like a software suitable to different kinds of processors (amd64, i386) |
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| 13:39.29 | tremon | !tell neagle3 -about kfreebsd |
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| 13:40.50 | metallic | XD |
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| 13:41.12 | metallic | tremon, I thought Unix-like systems were all friends |
| 13:41.32 | themill | Being friends doesn't mean that they are binary compatible |
| 13:41.35 | metallic | getting along nicely and having some tea on Saturdays |
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| 13:42.53 | neagle3 | Oh. Weird. |
| 13:43.40 | neagle3 | Question: How come there are so few locales in Debian (looking at the graphical installer in a VM)? |
| 13:43.48 | snadge | so nobody here does systemd? :p |
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| 13:44.12 | themill | neagle3: I think you're misinterpreting what you see |
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| 13:45.36 | neagle3 | Well, I did pick English as the language, but that's just because I want consistency when asking for help or making screenshots of software. |
| 13:46.00 | neagle3 | Not really sure why the locale (date/units/etc) would depend on the language. |
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| 13:46.49 | tremon | snadge: no official Debian release uses systemd by default (yet). Try asking #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. That said, there's systemctl status which may point you in the right direction |
| 13:47.05 | tremon | neagle3: well, names of weekdays for one |
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| 14:07.42 | Juslintek | hey, with smarttools help I figured out that my remote rig is running 6xSeagate ST3300655SS Version: S52C :-) http://paste.debian.net/148879/ So what raid it might be? It can't be raid6, because raid6 uses 5 hdds, so it might be raid 10, raid 20, raid 30 |
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| 14:11.42 | neagle3 | tremon: On Windows in English, with locale Swedish, the date stuff says "den 15 februari 2015". |
| 14:11.58 | neagle3 | So it's clear that they don't mix language and locale in that sense. |
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| 14:13.33 | teku_ | hi |
| 14:13.47 | teku_ | how can I change system language? |
| 14:14.50 | dvs | Juslintek: you use "mdadm --detail" to find out what the raid level is |
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| 14:15.14 | dvs | (if it is mdadm youre using) |
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| 14:16.02 | metabsd | Hi all |
| 14:16.08 | redcheckers | hi meta. |
| 14:16.28 | jantwisted | hi all |
| 14:16.31 | Juslintek | mdadm: No devices given. |
| 14:16.32 | Juslintek | dvs, mdadm: No devices given. |
| 14:16.42 | teku_ | uhm I finded a page on debian wiki but I don't understand what I have to do |
| 14:16.45 | Juslintek | dvs, how to figure out what it is using? |
| 14:16.46 | metabsd | Each time i boot my Debian unstable i have to run vgchange -ay to enable my lvm before ctrl-d to continue |
| 14:16.53 | dvs | Juslintek: you add what your RAID device is at the end |
| 14:17.01 | fernie | Juslintek: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 14:17.16 | Juslintek | Personalities : |
| 14:17.16 | Juslintek | unused devices: <none> |
| 14:17.36 | fernie | then its not mdadm |
| 14:18.00 | trewas | neagle3: it is possible to configure locale later so that numeric/date/etc have sane formats instead of en_US, and keep the language as english... other option is to use for example en_DK or en_IE to get saner formats while keeping just one locale for everything |
| 14:18.27 | tremon | metabsd: do you have root=$UUID or root=/dev/mapper/$volume on the kernel cmdline? |
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| 14:20.52 | metabsd | http://pastebin.com/2Lghr0m8 |
| 14:21.24 | Juslintek | fernie, dvs, how to figure out my raid monitoring software? |
| 14:21.43 | dvs | Juslintek: Dunno, it isnt mdadm |
| 14:21.53 | Juslintek | fernie, dvs, I know that machine is running pve |
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| 14:24.54 | jantwisted | how to add persistent route ? |
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| 14:25.18 | tremon | metabsd: ok, that should be correct. the lvm activation code doesn't kick in when root= doesn't start with /dev/mapper, which is why I asked. |
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| 14:25.49 | metabsd | i read now about /etc/default/grub |
| 14:26.06 | metabsd | to add GRUB_PRELOAD_MOULE="lvm" |
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| 14:27.10 | tremon | metabsd: your error isn't in grub, since grub doesn't matter any more after booting the kernel. Your boot hangs in the initramfs (otherwise you wouldn't be able to solve it with vgchange) |
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| 14:28.12 | metabsd | tremon, how can i fix that ? |
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| 14:31.08 | tremon | metabsd: you'll need to figure out why the activation code isn't triggering. Try running sh -x /scripts/local-top/lvm2 in the initramfs. |
| 14:32.01 | tremon | metabsd: also, you can verify with lsinitramfs $initrd that the file is indeed present |
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| 14:32.43 | prsn | hi! I have a pretty ancient machine running wheezy that I hadn't turned on in a year. I did, and everything mostly worked, but then I ran aptitude upgrade and restarted, and now eth0 doesn't exist |
| 14:33.07 | tremon | metabsd: there's no simple fix I'm afraid. But do ask #debian-next on oftc, maybe it's a known issue in sid |
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| 14:33.53 | alistair | yo |
| 14:33.57 | alistair | exit |
| 14:33.59 | dvs | nes |
| 14:34.14 | metabsd | tremon, i see all file i need in my initramfs .. Should be ok |
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| 14:34.31 | prsn | 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking start' says "Cannot find device "eth0". /sbin/ifconfig shows eth1 and eth2, but no eth0 (which is the one described in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 14:34.48 | prsn | the light on the port itself is blinking away merrily as usual |
| 14:35.45 | prsn | ping 8.8.8.8 says "Network is unreachable" |
| 14:36.04 | tremon | prsn: and you have three network interfaces? Or was eth0 simply renamed to eth2 because udev thought it was new? |
| 14:36.16 | dvs | prsn: So change /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules so that eth0 points to the right device again |
| 14:36.54 | prsn | i'm not sure. persistent-rules currently lists all three interfaces. |
| 14:37.11 | prsn | but maybe eth2 gets added to that automatically, i don't know how it works |
| 14:37.25 | dvs | prsn: The erase it and reboot |
| 14:37.40 | prsn | just delete the file and reboot, nothing else? |
| 14:38.07 | dvs | prsn: It will remove the devices that no longer exist |
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| 14:38.56 | prsn | ok, moved it to ~ just in case, and rebooting now |
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| 14:42.42 | prsn | ok, networking still doesn't work, but now persistent rules just has eth0 and eth1 |
| 14:43.18 | prsn | dvs: ^ |
| 14:43.35 | dvs | prsn: So the device is probably eth1. Swap eth0 and eth1 in that file and it should work. |
| 14:44.27 | prsn | it's certainly doing better this time! |
| 14:44.51 | prsn | but init.d/networking start is taking a while, running DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 with various intervals |
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| 14:45.28 | prsn | dvs: ended with No DHCPOFFERS received |
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| 14:45.47 | dvs | prsn: Because the current eth0 is not connected. |
| 14:45.49 | tremon | you will need to reboot after editing persistent-net.rules, did you do that? |
| 14:46.18 | prsn | i didn't this second time, no. |
| 14:46.25 | prsn | will do |
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| 14:47.05 | prsn | thanks to both of you very much for your help |
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| 14:47.38 | prsn | this is part of a kind of absurd chain of events that began with my trying to install adblock :P |
| 14:48.08 | prsn | my chrome was too old for the newest adblock, so i updated it, and then it refused to render anything, so i figured some dependency was outdated and upgraded everything |
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| 14:48.40 | prsn | which did seem to fix the chrome rendering thing, but broke networking :P |
| 14:50.02 | kWO901 | there are some key shortcuts that i made a while ago in the lxde-rc.xml file. they didnt work so i deleted them. i recently messed with my system and now they work. but i dont want them anymore. its funny how i cant find them in the mentioned file..... what can i do |
| 14:50.58 | Tom01 | How can I start irssi automatically? I have added it to init.d/bootmisc.sh, but that didn't seem to be working. |
| 14:51.18 | babilen | kWO901: You might want to ask that in a lxde channel too, i've never used it and I doubt that it is a Debian specific issue |
| 14:51.19 | prsn | dvs tremon: ok, restarting didn't work :/ the file looks the same as i left it, but networking is still dead |
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| 14:51.31 | SynrGy | Tom01: it is not a service so you shouldn't treat it as such |
| 14:51.36 | kWO901 | babilen: ok |
| 14:51.52 | SynrGy | Tom01: i think you want an autologin that checks to see if there is an existing screen session, and if not, creates one and puts irssi in it |
| 14:51.54 | babilen | Tom01: irssi isn't a daemon and it doesn't really make sense to start it as a system service |
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| 14:52.07 | prsn | dvs tremon: eth0 appears in the output of ifconfig now, but still has no inet addr |
| 14:52.41 | babilen | Tom01: You might want to check if your DE or WM supports the execution of commands on login which would allow you to open a shell and run irssi therein |
| 14:52.44 | dvs | prsn: I'm not sure what it is then, sorry |
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| 14:53.11 | Tom01 | babilen: I see. I am using Gnome. |
| 14:53.17 | babilen | Tom01: Throw in tmux / screen (tmux!) for extra mojo |
| 14:53.37 | SynrGy | Tom01: or what babilen said. it depends on whether the goal is to start it on the first login, or to start it after boot, but before you login (so you can be logging irc channels until you do login) |
| 14:53.48 | SynrGy | Tom01: please clarify your goal |
| 14:53.56 | babilen | Tom01: Gnome allows you to configure autostart applications. You might have to write a .desktop file for that, but it has really been a while since I've looked into that. |
| 14:54.02 | SynrGy | the two approaches could work together |
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| 14:54.23 | Tom01 | Starting irssi at login would be ok. |
| 14:54.23 | SynrGy | in general, modern desktops and WMs should obey the xdg autostart mechanism |
| 14:54.25 | tremon | prsn: can you somehow paste both the output of your new and old persistent-net.rules, and the output of ip link show? |
| 14:54.43 | SynrGy | so for that, you put your autostart script wrapped in a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart |
| 14:54.49 | tremon | argh. No need to paste the output of a file, just paste the file :) |
| 14:55.01 | neagle3 | tremon: :/ |
| 14:55.07 | SynrGy | you could use a graphical tool like alacarte to create the .desktop file around your custom script |
| 14:55.14 | pessoa | ratpoison does not rely on xdg |
| 14:55.30 | prsn | dvs tremon: well ok so i put the cable in the other ethernet port and now it works >_> |
| 14:55.37 | SynrGy | pessoa: ratpoison specifically bucks prevailing trends. this is no shocker to me. :) |
| 14:55.49 | neagle3 | Positive things so far: the installer screen loaded extremely quickly at boot. Negative: non-graphical installer is default. Installer doesn't seem to have many locales. |
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| 14:55.57 | SynrGy | pessoa: i consider it shortsightedness of the ratpoison developers that it doesn't |
| 14:55.59 | prsn | dvs tremon: but it worked in the first one before, so i guess this machine has two network cards and one of them is still sad? (i didn't build it) |
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| 14:56.25 | prsn | dvs tremon: i kind of don't care, since it works, i guess, but it's weird... |
| 14:56.26 | SynrGy | i stand by my generalization. yes, there are exceptions, but most modern WM's/DE's should support this |
| 14:56.55 | SynrGy | of course, check the docs of whichever you use. |
| 14:57.02 | tremon | prsn: that may be, it's almost impossible to tell. Did the kernel log link down / link up messages when you replugged the cable? |
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| 14:58.14 | SynrGy | pessoa: in fact, it would be the session layer that would be responsible for it. what does ratpoison use as a session manager? e.g. openbox has openbox-session. so maybe i'm thinking of the subset of "WM's that support session managers" |
| 14:58.20 | prsn | there's a link down on eth1, then a link not read on eth1, then a link down on eth0, then a link up on eth 1 |
| 14:58.23 | SynrGy | and ratpoison could very well not be in that class |
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| 14:58.25 | prsn | tremon: ^ |
| 14:58.45 | TomasCZ | Tom01, I know how I did it in fluxbox WM, with Gnome there should be some GUI for it. sadly my preference is not those overautomated WM's |
| 14:58.59 | pessoa | I don't see any reason for a session manager, especially not as I start from the console via startx |
| 14:59.21 | SynrGy | fair enough. then you would be familiar with using .xsession or .xinitrc for all your startup needs. |
| 14:59.37 | SynrGy | but anyone who starts their WM this way already knows this |
| 14:59.40 | TomasCZ | Tom01, Ohh wait. I might be able to dig something... not so clean but might work |
| 14:59.55 | tremon | prsn: ok, that looks ok. So both interfaces do respond to link changes. Not sure why dhcp didn't work then with the other card as eth0 |
| 15:00.35 | neagle3 | Why does the installer apparently force me to make a non-root user? |
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| 15:00.51 | babilen | neagle3: "aparently" is the word here |
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| 15:01.05 | babilen | neagle3: And to answer your question: Because most people want it that way. |
| 15:01.07 | tremon | I don't think that step is optional |
| 15:01.29 | babilen | Ah, yeah, it's the other way round. Sorry, for overlooking that. |
| 15:01.40 | neagle3 | :[ |
| 15:02.04 | tremon | neagle3: because root isn't a "user". It's a system account, and should not be used as a login |
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| 15:03.01 | neagle3 | Do you realize how annoying it would be to constantly have to switch to a root user? |
| 15:03.03 | Tom01 | I will try the gnome autostart config. |
| 15:03.10 | babilen | There might be situations in which you don't want that (e.g. you want to provision the box later on with your salt states, chef cookbooks, ...) |
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| 15:03.38 | neagle3 | Salt states? Chef cookbooks? |
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| 15:03.53 | babilen | neagle3: You really, really, shouldn't work as root. Add your private user to the "sudo" group and use that, but do *not*, under no circumstances, work as root all the time. |
| 15:04.10 | babilen | neagle3: I doubt that my example applies in your case |
| 15:05.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell neagle3 -about sudo |
| 15:05.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell neagle3 -about sudoers |
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| 15:05.38 | TomasCZ | Tom01, I know at work I use lxde, and there I have script .bashrc_x11 that is called. Can't remember from where :-/ Must have been in lxde configuration manager |
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| 15:05.45 | neagle3 | If the machine is compromised, I would not rely for one second that being non-root would protect anything . |
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| 15:06.40 | tremon | true. But turning that around, if the machine's primary user runs everything as root only, I would not rely for one second on that machine not being compromised |
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| 15:06.56 | babilen | neagle3: There are a lot more aspects to that, but even in that case it *does* make a massive difference if your private user has been compromised or root. |
| 15:07.00 | MY123 | neagle3: I did a mod to redirect each root access to fakeroot for hackers :-) |
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| 15:07.06 | pessoa | why would people want to configure X11 sessions without tweaking .xinirc or .xsessionrc? Those are classical Unix scripts invoking the right tools for the right purpose in the right moment. |
| 15:07.49 | SynrGy | TomasCZ: that sounds ... strange to me. nothing i've ever heard of in LXDE, but would be happy to see a link to some doc on it :) |
| 15:07.51 | babilen | neagle3: It is also about protecting your system from you. That being said: If you decide to go that way you will run into many problems along the way (e.g. you won't be able to chat here) |
| 15:07.55 | tremon | pessoa: because "war on shell" :( |
| 15:08.12 | TomasCZ | Tom01, Session and startup > application autostart > add in my case path to a script I've created with what I wanted. |
| 15:08.19 | SynrGy | afaik, LXDE uses ~/.config/autostart (and /etc/xdg/autostart) for all its autostarting needs. |
| 15:08.21 | babilen | pessoa: Because doing so is hard and forces users to constantly update their configuration |
| 15:08.26 | TomasCZ | Tom01, it is under menu Settings |
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| 15:08.33 | Tom01 | TomasCZ: thx |
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| 15:08.37 | SynrGy | that is, specifically, lxsession does that |
| 15:08.56 | MY123 | Is running a multiarch system with a 32-bit Sid part and a 64-bit Wheezy part supported? |
| 15:08.59 | Tom01 | thx people |
| 15:09.04 | babilen | MY123: no |
| 15:09.17 | neagle3 | The fact that a chat program would broadcast your local username is a huge red flag to me. |
| 15:09.28 | neagle3 | It seems like program authors have no sense of privacy whatsoever. |
| 15:09.45 | TomasCZ | Tom01, As said there might be similar thing for gnome, look around with keywords mentioned. |
| 15:09.51 | MY123 | neagle3: That's only the emerged part of the iceberg |
| 15:09.58 | Tom01 | yes |
| 15:10.10 | babilen | neagle3: You might want to familiarise yourself with identd |
| 15:10.26 | fxmulder | how can I go about getting the CPU temp? I tried installing lm-sensors and detecting sensors, seems to detect sensors but the output only shows CPI devices |
| 15:10.34 | SynrGy | TomasCZ: i'm lost. is this LXDE on wheezy? |
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| 15:11.19 | neagle3 | :/ |
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| 15:12.04 | TomasCZ | SynrGy, Original question Tom01 had was for gnome. Example mentioned was to start irssi. |
| 15:12.18 | SynrGy | TomasCZ: thanks for the clarification |
| 15:12.24 | SynrGy | in lxde it's quite different :) |
| 15:12.36 | TomasCZ | So is fluxbox :-) |
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| 15:13.02 | SynrGy | this is why i mostly say the hell with session GUIs and just drop desktop files in ~/.config/autostart/ |
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| 15:13.10 | SynrGy | lower learning curve switching around between desktops |
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| 15:25.30 | neagle3 | The installer has a lot of random questions in between doing stuff. |
| 15:26.03 | redcheckers | like what is the capital of norway, and what is your favorite color, etc? |
| 15:26.54 | neagle3 | "Do you wanna blabla GRUB blabla?" |
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| 15:28.36 | neagle3 | I can't seem to run the VMware Tools binaries? |
| 15:28.44 | neagle3 | On my Debian desktop that just finished installing and came up. |
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| 15:28.59 | neagle3 | It claims I have no program installed to run executable files. |
| 15:29.01 | MY123 | neagle3: VMWare tools are just malware |
| 15:29.05 | neagle3 | Which is a pretty bizarre statement. :P |
| 15:29.08 | neagle3 | MY123: Malware? |
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| 15:29.48 | MY123 | neagle3: I don't have the full source code of it with build instructions, so I don't trust it |
| 15:30.15 | redcheckers | i still havent tried vmware , sigh. |
| 15:30.17 | tremon | neagle3: debian has open-vm-tools packaged |
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| 15:32.38 | neagle3 | Well, the VM is all low-res, so I assume it didn't auto-run. |
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| 15:33.27 | neagle3 | "GNOME 3 failed to load" |
| 15:33.32 | tremon | packaged /= installed |
| 15:34.41 | tremon | and there's xserver-xorg-video-vmware for the graphics driver specifically, although that one should be automatically installed iirc |
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| 15:41.01 | neagle3 | How do I install it then? |
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| 15:41.33 | neagle3 | Actually, I think I get it. |
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| 15:43.10 | neagle3 | Nope. |
| 15:43.23 | neagle3 | Even after a reboot, it's still super-low-res. |
| 15:43.28 | neagle3 | 640x480 or something. |
| 15:43.44 | neagle3 | Actually, probably 800x600. |
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| 15:45.03 | tremon | neagle3: check dmesg and/or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for more information. |
| 15:46.04 | neagle3 | I found the place where I can change resolution, so maybe it's running after all. But I want it to depend on the VM window. |
| 15:46.11 | neagle3 | I think that's usually what VMware tools enable. |
| 15:46.36 | tremon | no idea, the boxes I run in vmware don't have X |
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| 15:50.18 | neagle3 | This is just... |
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| 15:50.37 | neagle3 | I picked nothing as the root password in the installer, and now neither the terminal nor the GUI lets me log in as root. |
| 15:50.43 | neagle3 | Because it has to be something, or something. |
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| 15:51.44 | neagle3 | I don't believe it... |
| 15:53.17 | tremon | if you haven't set a password for root, the root account will be disabled |
| 15:53.30 | tremon | but you should be a member of the sudo group then |
| 15:54.14 | neagle3 | Apparently not. |
| 15:54.24 | neagle3 | Or do I have to type something? |
| 15:54.26 | neagle3 | Like sudo or something? |
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| 15:54.39 | tremon | sudo -s |
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| 15:55.12 | neagle3 | Ah. |
| 15:55.27 | neagle3 | It uses a comma splice for "Sorry, try again.", BTW. |
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| 15:56.19 | neagle3 | It says something about not being able to find the package. |
| 15:57.22 | neagle3 | According to https://github.com/spaam/svtplay-dl , I was supposed to run "apt-get install svtplay-dl" as root. |
| 15:57.26 | tremon | !tell neagle3 about wheezy sources.list |
| 15:57.47 | tremon | if you installed without a network connection, /etc/apt/sources.list will still be empty |
| 15:57.48 | neagle3 | But when I do, it says: "E: Can't locate blablabla" |
| 15:57.58 | neagle3 | It seems to have Internet connection. |
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| 16:13.28 | neagle3 | "make: command not found" |
| 16:13.31 | neagle3 | Is it kidding me? |
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| 16:14.51 | centrx | Sounds like make is not installed |
| 16:15.14 | neagle3 | Ugh. This is an endless stream of error messages and troubleshooting. Frankly, I can't deal with it. |
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| 16:15.44 | neagle3 | Sorry. Linux disappointed me again. I try it every 3 year or so since year 2000. |
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| 16:16.12 | centrx | Linux is disappointed in you |
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| 16:16.25 | bogus- | lol :D |
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| 16:20.22 | fxmulder | how can I go about getting the CPU temp? I tried installing lm-sensors and detecting sensors, seems to detect sensors but the output only shows CPI devices |
| 16:21.00 | fxmulder | my machine seems to randomly shutdown every day or two and trying to nail down what is causing it, not seeing anything in the logs |
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| 16:21.31 | centrx | fxmulder, My CPU temp is listed in sensors under coretemp-isa-0000 (newline) Adapter: ISA adapter |
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| 16:24.11 | fxmulder | must be k10temp-pci-00c3 |
| 16:24.46 | fxmulder | which is high now so I'm guessing that is the problem |
| 16:24.59 | centrx | Yes could be |
| 16:25.08 | centrx | Also check your ram with memtest86+ |
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| 16:55.13 | DelphiWorld | hello guys |
| 16:55.23 | DelphiWorld | i'm afraid i need to fix my fat32 partition on a external hdd |
| 16:55.33 | DelphiWorld | could someone help me how to fsk it? |
| 16:55.41 | DelphiWorld | i want to check the fat32 filesystem |
| 16:55.44 | DelphiWorld | but its complaining: |
| 16:55.54 | DelphiWorld | Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 0. |
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| 16:57.29 | DelphiWorld | doh ;( |
| 16:57.35 | DelphiWorld | all my media works will be gone;( |
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| 16:58.32 | centrx | DelphiWorld, http://linux.die.net/man/8/fsck.vfat |
| 16:59.04 | centrx | DelphiWorld, It's in package 'dosfstools' in Debian |
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| 16:59.36 | DelphiWorld | centrx: i have it but i think its ntfs, any way? |
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| 16:59.55 | centrx | DelphiWorld, package 'ntfs-3g' has enhanced NTFS tools |
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| 17:01.34 | DelphiWorld | centrx, i have it? but what tool should i use? |
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| 17:02.06 | centrx | DelphiWorld, http://askubuntu.com/questions/47700/fix-corrupt-ntfs-partition-without-windows/47711#47711 |
| 17:02.18 | centrx | DelphiWorld, e.g. ntfsfix /dev/hda6 |
| 17:03.10 | DelphiWorld | centrx: volume is corrupt, you should run chkdsk |
| 17:03.54 | centrx | DelphiWorld, Try fsck.ntfs or fsck -t ntfs |
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| 17:04.29 | centrx | DelphiWorld, That might run the same ntfsfix command actually |
| 17:04.34 | centrx | DelphiWorld, This might be the answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/112150/how-to-correctly-fix-a-dirty-ntfs-partition-without-using-chkdsk |
| 17:04.45 | DelphiWorld | centrx: let me look arround |
| 17:05.04 | DelphiWorld | centrx: fsck -t ntfs /dev/sdb3 give: fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found |
| 17:05.12 | DelphiWorld | centrx: let me read the doc you gave me |
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| 17:41.24 | r00t_ | Hey folks |
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| 17:43.13 | r00t_ | having some trouble trying to install a windows vm on my debian dedi, doesnt seem to like the idea of sharing the connection... i'm literally going insane over here.. any ideas? |
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| 17:57.09 | teraflops | r00t_: you didnt tell what virtualization sw/technology youre using, anyway you can use a bridge or you can do nat if that is what you ask |
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| 17:59.41 | r00t_ | Virtualbox, tried every combination of the settings available under nat/bridge already, still wont give me a internet connection on the guest system |
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| 18:01.40 | teraflops | r00t_: uhm, checked the dnss on the guest, also do some tracert/traceroutes on the gues so you can see where it gets stuck |
| 18:01.49 | teraflops | dns* |
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| 18:04.47 | teraflops | r00t_: assuming you do not get any error and all the modules are loaded ok, sorry i do not use vbox but i think you need some modules loaded for getting network etc etc |
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| 18:05.54 | r00t_ | i honestly dont know how i'd trace the problem, never really played with vbox or networking on linux in gereal actually |
| 18:06.12 | teraflops | uhm |
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| 18:07.04 | r00t_ | exactly |
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| 18:07.55 | teraflops | r00t_: just check if you a nic and the network is up on the guest, check the address gw dns are the ones you want and then ping the gateway |
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| 18:08.26 | teraflops | you have a nic* |
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| 18:08.52 | r00t_ | okay so rm -rf / and throw my laptop in the fireplace is what you're recommending? |
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| 18:09.32 | teraflops | r00t_: ? |
| 18:10.47 | r00t_ | i dont even |
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| 18:11.40 | teraflops | r00t_: if that was sarcasm im so sorry but i do not get sarcasm :P |
| 18:12.43 | r00t_ | it wasn't, i'm about to bomb the datacenter.... |
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| 18:13.24 | teraflops | r00t_: youre in a datacenter dude behave like a TI man |
| 18:13.39 | r00t_ | oh i wish i was there |
| 18:13.40 | teraflops | .. that was sarcasm |
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| 18:15.16 | teraflops | r00t_: then what part of check ft the guest have a network interface and if it is up etc etc dindt you get? |
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| 18:17.05 | r00t_ | i honestly have no clue what im doing right now |
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| 18:17.42 | teraflops | r00t_: well Im so sorry but i cant help you without a clue |
| 18:18.21 | r00t_ | it does seem to attempt to connect when i try to bridge it with eth0 |
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| 18:18.38 | teraflops | r00t_: are you in bridge mode now? |
| 18:18.45 | r00t_ | yessir |
| 18:18.49 | teraflops | heh |
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| 18:19.02 | teraflops | r00t_: can you access the guest? |
| 18:19.17 | teraflops | i mean a cmd console |
| 18:19.29 | r00t_ | yeah ofc |
| 18:19.32 | teraflops | is windows, isnt it? |
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| 18:19.51 | r00t_ | wiondows 7, correct |
| 18:19.57 | teraflops | r00t_: a cmd as administrator |
| 18:20.22 | r00t_ | roger that |
| 18:21.07 | teraflops | r00t_: did you mess with the network configuration on the guest? i meant you didnt set the ip address and so on |
| 18:21.27 | r00t_ | nope, all stock still |
| 18:21.47 | r00t_ | https://imgur.com/fmNahfW |
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| 18:22.55 | teraflops | r00t_: just type on the cmd `ipconfig /release` hot enter and then `ipconfig /renew` |
| 18:23.00 | teraflops | hit* |
| 18:24.19 | teraflops | r00t_: if youre using dhcp it is supposed to be on your home lan a dhcp server |
| 18:24.31 | r00t_ | if i could only type a '/' ...... .this is terrible lol |
| 18:24.37 | teraflops | in your router access point or whatever you use |
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| 18:25.50 | r00t_ | well apparetnly there's no such thing as a slash for me, thats great |
| 18:25.51 | teraflops | r00t_: alfo if you have more than one network interface on the guest be sure the bridge is using the network interface that has internet access |
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| 18:26.39 | teraflops | r00t_: you can do the same on the GUI just sidable and enable the network interface |
| 18:26.44 | teraflops | disable* |
| 18:28.36 | r00t_ | using eth0, the adapter that's in use |
| 18:29.11 | r00t_ | just did the whole /release /renwew thing and it seems to be stuck https://imgur.com/22NJMkc |
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| 18:30.57 | r00t_ | https://imgur.com/5r4qmAl https://imgur.com/HwVC0LC |
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| 18:31.53 | teraflops | r00t_: well, im just gessing may be you need to set other brand of ethernet adapter on the guest configuration menu |
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| 18:32.41 | r00t_ | tried that, went through all the virtual adapters, none of them worked, some won't even install on the guest |
| 18:33.50 | teraflops | r00t_: did you set up other vms or thi is the first you try there? |
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| 18:34.16 | r00t_ | first try |
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| 18:34.51 | r00t_ | at least on a server.... vm over vnc on the dedi is gtiving me herpes |
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| 18:35.24 | r00t_ | and once thats set up i'll have to install another piece of virtualization software inside the vm... bluestacks to run android |
| 18:35.32 | r00t_ | so it's vmception |
| 18:35.41 | teraflops | that makes no sense, it seems the nick do not detect the link, did you tried to setu fixed ip address? |
| 18:35.54 | r00t_ | i have not, no |
| 18:36.09 | teraflops | then try |
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| 18:36.28 | r00t_ | then again... i might be slightly retarded |
| 18:36.40 | r00t_ | wouldnt even know how to accomplish this |
| 18:37.31 | teraflops | r00t_: just see what address you have in the host and then set one in the guest |
| 18:38.04 | r00t_ | meaning the internal ip right? |
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| 18:38.41 | teraflops | ip link shows the ip address on the debian |
| 18:39.02 | teraflops | ip route show shows the gateway on the debian |
| 18:39.48 | r00t_ | ip link only gives me a ipv6.... good lord |
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| 18:40.30 | teraflops | not only an ipv6 |
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| 18:41.08 | r00t_ | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP mode DEFAULT qlen 1000 |
| 18:41.08 | r00t_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.16 | r00t_ | apparently yes.... |
| 18:41.27 | Dagger | that's the MAC address |
| 18:41.33 | teraflops | so you only have that adress on the host? |
| 18:41.33 | Dagger | IP addresses are in `ip a` |
| 18:41.50 | Dagger | (or frankly I prefer `ifconfig` for seeing the current config) |
| 18:42.12 | teraflops | oh yes `ip a` sorry |
| 18:42.47 | r00t_ | https://imgur.com/TCJ9QLf |
| 18:43.16 | r00t_ | allright, lets try this i guess |
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| 18:43.48 | teraflops | r00t_: heh |
| 18:44.08 | teraflops | I suggest you to try nat |
| 18:44.29 | teraflops | also I suggest you to drop one of the nicks out of the bridge |
| 18:45.04 | teraflops | r00t_: also, is that a VPS thingy? |
| 18:46.05 | r00t_ | what do you mean vps thingy? |
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| 18:46.42 | teraflops | what type of machine is the host and what type of internet connection it has? |
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| 18:47.06 | r00t_ | it's a dedicated server |
| 18:47.15 | r00t_ | 1gb port advertised |
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| 18:47.38 | teraflops | r00t_: so it is not in front of you I gess |
| 18:48.10 | r00t_ | no, hosted somewhere in france |
| 18:48.40 | jeezy | meanwhile in France... |
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| 18:49.12 | teraflops | r00t_: well you cant do bridging on this things (if you cant youre a lucky man) |
| 18:49.26 | teraflops | if you can* |
| 18:49.48 | r00t_ | there has to be some way.. right? ...... |
| 18:50.07 | teraflops | r00t_: so do nat, and choose the proper eth one* |
| 18:50.14 | teraflops | r00t_: no |
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| 18:50.54 | teraflops | almost the 99% do not allow nat |
| 18:50.59 | r00t_ | the problem is i cant pick a eth under nat... nothing to chose from lol |
| 18:51.03 | teraflops | fuck* not allow bridge |
| 18:51.13 | r00t_ | https://imgur.com/4cOLze3 |
| 18:51.27 | teraflops | r00t_: then complait to the customer service |
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| 18:52.48 | teraflops | r00t_: just curious what does dedicated means? a phisical machine? |
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| 18:53.23 | r00t_ | guess so |
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| 18:53.44 | spal | what's the difference between jessie and jessie-updates in sources.list? |
| 18:53.47 | teraflops | r00t_: may be theyll provide a valid mac address |
| 18:54.10 | no_gravity | For some reason, getting the first field from every line with grep -o '^[^ ]*' seems pretty slow. Is there a faster approach with grep or awk? |
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| 18:54.30 | r00t_ | the server -> Dedibox MD 15K 2015 Xeon E5 1410v2 64 GB 2 x 300 GB SAS 15K 1Gbps/sec |
| 18:54.42 | m0rd3cai | im having trouble with file permissions. trying to access key file for ssh login. |
| 18:54.48 | r00t_ | got 2 of them and a smaller one in a dif DC |
| 18:54.52 | petemc | no_gravity: tried LANG=C grep.. ? |
| 18:54.53 | teraflops | r00t_: the point is the do not allow bridge but may be they allow to some some addresses, i do not know your contract so better ask them |
| 18:55.00 | m0rd3cai | do i need to chown or just chmod my key file to be used by my username only |
| 18:55.00 | no_gravity | petemc: what would that do? |
| 18:55.20 | petemc | speed things up, in some cases |
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| 18:55.46 | mtn | spal: at this time jessie-updates does nothing, after release it will have updates |
| 18:55.55 | no_gravity | petemc: woah that speeds it up by a factor of 40! why? |
| 18:55.58 | r00t_ | not sure what you would want me to ask them.... looking at the ticket system right now lol |
| 18:55.59 | teraflops | r00t_: if thats ok just set the allowed mac address on the nick under guest configuration |
| 18:56.22 | petemc | no_gravity: not sure off the top of my head |
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| 18:57.22 | spal | mtn: let us talk about wheezy then. I am trying to understand the purpose of wheezy-updates when wheezy is already there. |
| 18:57.37 | spal | what kind of updates get into wheezy-updates and what kind of updates get into wheezy in sources.list? |
| 18:58.00 | mtn | spal: updates are for updates, not the main part of the release. the updates are security/bug fixes |
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| 18:58.37 | mtn | spal: perhaps this will help: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 18:58.45 | ompaul | no_gravity: petemc http://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/website/ssh/speed-up-grep-searches-with-lc-all |
| 18:58.58 | spal | mtn: for security/bug fixes we have got deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main. what is the need of this then: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main ? |
| 18:59.13 | ompaul | a little detail - basically lang=C removes a lot of cruft for grep in terms of overhead |
| 19:01.36 | spal | I believe wheezy-updates was previously called 'volatile'. so basically I am trying to understand the purpose of volatile. As far as I know, security fixees are provided by security.debian.org wheezy/updates main. But what is the purpose of wheezy-updates (previously known as volatile)?? |
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| 19:03.21 | mtn | spal: first google hit: https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates |
| 19:03.58 | ponky | i have multiple nics on one server, is it possible to configure one of the interfaces with static ip and another one with dhcp from same /24 |
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| 19:05.00 | ponky | static one works fine but for some reason i'm not able to get the another working |
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| 19:09.07 | drasko | hi all. How to make Chromium my default browser? I tried update-alternatives, but it does not work - Iceweasel is always started by clicking on a link in gterm |
| 19:11.27 | no_gravity | drasko: maybe there is a "set as default browser" in chromiums settings? |
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| 19:12.08 | kWO901 | what is the problem here? http://paste.debian.net/149078/ |
| 19:12.09 | drasko | no_gravity, I had to do this: gnome-control-center info |
| 19:12.16 | drasko | There was no other way |
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| 19:12.28 | drasko | like explained here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/42344/how-do-i-change-the-browser-that-gnome-terminal-opens-links-with |
| 19:12.37 | drasko | This was the only thing that helped |
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| 19:18.54 | adimit | Hi, I'm trying to install 32bit nvidia binary drivers on wheezy+backports. However, it seems there's a conflict: http://paste.debian.net/149089 I've added multiarch, and remember doing this in jessie withot a hitch, but it doesn't seem to be working in stable. |
| 19:18.56 | adimit | Any hints? |
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| 19:19.25 | MisterBig195 | I want to create a linux ipv6 router/gateway in combination with a tunnel broker so that I can surf to ipv6 websites on my android devices. Is there someone here who succeeded to do this ? |
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| 19:20.44 | srg | MisterBig195: I did at some point using he.net's ipv6 tunnels |
| 19:20.52 | srg | But I gave up on that a while ago and have native IPv6 now. |
| 19:21.00 | srg | Much less of a hassle |
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| 19:21.59 | MisterBig195 | srg: yes i agree but i dont have native IPv6 |
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| 19:26.22 | Tau | hello. i have installed the network-manager-gnome package but the executable network-manager-gnome is not available. |
| 19:26.29 | Tau | what should i do in order to set up wireless with that? |
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| 19:28.16 | sandman13 | Tau: what does nm-applet yield? |
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| 19:28.43 | sandman13 | i.e. open your terminal and type 'nm-applet' and check for result |
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| 19:29.55 | Tau | it says client failed to connect to d-bus daemon. |
| 19:30.02 | Tau | lemme post it on codepad. |
| 19:30.33 | Tau | http://codepad.org/OcvAlddJ |
| 19:30.36 | Tau | that is what i get. |
| 19:31.03 | sandman13 | launch it as normal user? |
| 19:31.09 | Tau | okay, i'll try. |
| 19:31.22 | Tau | it seems to hang now. |
| 19:31.29 | Tau | like |
| 19:31.39 | Tau | au@eletron:~$ nm-applet |
| 19:31.40 | Tau | ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area |
| 19:31.40 | Tau | ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area |
| 19:31.42 | Tau | that is all. |
| 19:31.47 | Tau | nothing else appears. |
| 19:31.51 | Tau | is that supposed to be like this? |
| 19:32.08 | sandman13 | What DE are you using? |
| 19:32.48 | Tau | oh |
| 19:32.52 | Tau | i'm using i3. |
| 19:33.01 | Tau | i got a small icon in the desktop area. |
| 19:33.01 | Tau | i see. |
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| 19:33.08 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.36 | sandman13 | Tau: right click and "Enable Wi-Fi" then scan |
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| 19:33.46 | sandman13 | is running late |
| 19:34.21 | Tau | oh, i right clicked on that icon then it seems there is no enable-wi-fi thing. |
| 19:34.51 | Tau | i'm using an wired connection right now. |
| 19:35.02 | Tau | should i disconnect from the rj-45 cable in order for it working? |
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| 19:35.12 | Tau | i dunno if that is related though. |
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| 19:36.34 | Tau | i'll take a screen shot. |
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| 19:37.42 | Tau | nvm |
| 19:38.04 | Tau | i have some menu entries but not enable wi-fi thing. |
| 19:38.05 | Tau | :( |
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| 19:40.56 | shay_shay | anyone know if its possible to (and hopefully easy to) make second monitor only for full screen vlc or mplayer and bypass gnome "activities" animation ? |
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| 19:41.51 | kWO901 | Use configure options to specify VLC include/library/output paths (--with-vlc-*-path options)) <<<< what does it mean |
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| 19:42.15 | shay_shay | glob/splat paths |
| 19:42.44 | shay_shay | maybe means when you glob things it will load all of them to the same process |
| 19:42.57 | shay_shay | just a guess. ask in #vlc |
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| 19:43.47 | shay_shay | kWO901, for example "cvlc videos/*.mkv" |
| 19:44.11 | shay_shay | presumably it changes the behavior of commands with *'s in the path |
| 19:44.19 | shay_shay | maybe it enables/disables globbing |
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| 19:44.32 | shay_shay | so the * would be taken literally or expanded |
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| 19:45.01 | kWO901 | shay_shay: http://vlcsrposplugin.sourceforge.net/ this is what i try to do |
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| 19:45.50 | kWO901 | shay_shay: so i downloaded and extracted the plugin into my home folder. the configure command fails , it says no vlc headers found... |
| 19:46.04 | shay_shay | ohhh |
| 19:46.16 | shay_shay | the * means something else lol |
| 19:46.49 | shay_shay | that was their way of showing --with-vlc-<something>-path |
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| 19:56.19 | JaimeLaSaucisse | tease me Jessie |
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| 19:58.31 | ddd1 | Hello is anybody using upstart on jessie? |
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| 20:02.35 | shay_shay | JaimeLaSaucisse, it's almost ready |
| 20:02.54 | JaimeLaSaucisse | shay_shay: next week? :) |
| 20:02.59 | shay_shay | soon |
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| 20:04.52 | spacegh0st | hey, i want to do net install on my macbook pro late 2013 without buying a thunderbolt-to-ethernet...is repackaging the net install iso with the appropriate wifi driver an option? |
| 20:05.22 | shay_shay | spacegh0st, have you tried the unofficial isos? |
| 20:05.35 | spacegh0st | i haven't |
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| 20:05.45 | spacegh0st | will that have the broadcom driver? |
| 20:05.52 | shay_shay | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 20:05.54 | shay_shay | most likely |
| 20:06.03 | spacegh0st | that would be lovely |
| 20:06.23 | spacegh0st | i'm tired of os x, been craving the linux |
| 20:06.28 | shay_shay | jessie_di |
| 20:06.32 | shay_shay | ..._rc1 |
| 20:06.37 | spacegh0st | thanks bro |
| 20:06.40 | shay_shay | if you're looking to install jessie |
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| 20:06.52 | spacegh0st | i am =) |
| 20:07.00 | spacegh0st | with xfce, so excited |
| 20:08.38 | shay_shay | yeah osx got old for me too |
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| 20:12.56 | Nyctophilia | hi guys, i have some problem with my headless debian server. im running the most recent virtualbox and got phpvirtualbox installed also. but i also want to be able to start / list vms over ssh. the command should be vboxmanage list vms or vboxmanage startvm "vmname here." im logged in as root and it either wont give any output when trying to list or just wont start. no erros, nothing. any ideas? |
| 20:12.57 | Nyctophilia | the goal ist to start a virtual machine from the outside manually per ssh. thanks in advance. |
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| 20:17.46 | rozie | Nyctophilia: why do you use virtualbox? |
| 20:17.57 | rozie | there's qemu/kvm |
| 20:19.11 | Nyctophilia | #vbox helped me - got it resolved. dont run it as root. |
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| 20:20.29 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 20:20.29 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 20:21.07 | rozie | Nyctophilia: anyway, you don't need vbox. kvm -m 1024 -vga vmware -boot d -cdrom plik.iso will boot livecd from plik.iso |
| 20:21.15 | rozie | (not on headless, but...) |
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| 20:24.56 | dopesmoker | how i can easily see and get all the nice proprietary libs and packets without installing lame debian-based distros? |
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| 20:37.32 | spacegh0st | shay_shay: the unofficial iso didn't have the broadcom driver =/ |
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| 20:38.16 | spacegh0st | i installed minimum debian and attempted to install the driver, but then i needed to install dkms, which required me to install gcc and build-essential, at which point i just said f it |
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| 20:40.02 | RafaelK | hello folks: which is the best way to force flushing /tmp in chroot? |
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| 20:42.24 | MadHatter42 | is it normal that I'm getting high cpu load |
| 20:42.33 | MadHatter42 | but in the same time me idle is also high ? |
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| 20:43.04 | MadHatter42 | and the system is pretty responsive but still is very high |
| 20:43.16 | cafuego | Sure, that can happen |
| 20:43.28 | MadHatter42 | yeah but how |
| 20:43.33 | jhutchins | spacegh0st: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:43.41 | jhutchins | spacegh0st: Oops. |
| 20:43.42 | MadHatter42 | i'm getting a hard time understanding it |
| 20:43.49 | cafuego | Usually happens when mdraid is doing its monthly thing; CPU idle but wait on IO very high -> load when comething tries to access disk because waiting. |
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| 20:44.17 | MadHatter42 | i have almost no IO operations |
| 20:44.37 | MadHatter42 | i have a freeswitch system stressing it out with like 600 calls |
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| 20:45.04 | MadHatter42 | i see that there is nothing to worry about as i'm not getting dropped calls |
| 20:45.08 | MadHatter42 | but still its quite weird |
| 20:45.16 | MadHatter42 | i have another system running the same config |
| 20:45.23 | MadHatter42 | and it doest do that |
| 20:45.29 | jhutchins | spacegh0st: kmuto has unofficial installers with newer kernels and hardware support: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:45.48 | MadHatter42 | any ideas ? |
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| 20:46.41 | jhutchins | MadHatter42: What are you using to monitor CPU usage? |
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| 21:17.08 | MadHatter42 | jhutchins, top |
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| 21:28.02 | cafuego | lose 2 |
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| 21:42.19 | tekuru_ | hey friends, i "killed" audio of my pc trying to use pulseaudio to use my usb headset |
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| 21:42.56 | tekuru_ | anyone know how i can fix? |
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| 21:44.21 | tekuru_ | no one know? :v |
| 21:44.24 | The_Schmidt | tekuru_: pavucontrol is very nice for controlling where sound goes |
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| 21:48.33 | tekuru_ | sorry everybody, i fixed myself right now. sorry if i asked without reason |
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| 21:48.38 | tekuru_ | and sorry for my bad english |
| 21:48.51 | tekuru_ | bye and thanks! |
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| 21:49.53 | nea1 | hi, can someone tell me why the hell i'm getting the fqdn when entering hostname and the short form when entering hostname -f |
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| 21:57.41 | petn-randall | nea1: What are the contents of /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 21:59.51 | nea1 | hostname contains the fqdn, hosts the short-form and the fqdn, resolv.conf only nameservers |
| 22:01.27 | tremon | hostname should contain only the short form |
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| 22:04.40 | nea1 | tremon: why that? |
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| 22:13.33 | tremon | because man hostname says so (although not explicit) |
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| 22:14.25 | tremon | "The host name is [set] by reading [..] /etc/hostname" -- "The recommended method of setting the FQDN is to make the hostname be an alias for the fully qualified name using /etc/hosts" |
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| 22:15.00 | petn-randall | nea1: Because /etc/hostname contains only the hostname, and the FQDN is constructed by hostname + the domain parameter in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:15.19 | tremon | but the real reason is that the fqdn is not determined by the machine itself, but where it fits in the dns hierarchy |
| 22:17.10 | nea1 | found it ... [ip] host host.fqdn ... [ip] host.fqdn host => works |
| 22:17.26 | nea1 | if the short form is in front it fails >.< |
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| 22:43.58 | william3 | I used sid a while back to get the latest iceweasel. I've switch to Chrome a while back and removed iceweasel. Trying to install davfs2 and getting this error libpam-systemd : Depends: systemd (= 215-5+b1) but 215-11 is installed. I don't have the sid repo enabled anymore. A google repo is enabled though. Even without a new install, I can't do an apt-get upgrade or the recommend apt-get -f install |
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| 22:45.15 | jhutchins | william3: Which is why you don't install packages from multiple releases on the same box. |
| 22:46.04 | william3 | How do I back that down? I don't need anything at all from sid, though I don't know what Chrome may have done as I got it from the google repo. |
| 22:46.13 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 22:46.13 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 22:46.47 | jhutchins | william3: Usually the only sane thing to do is a clean reinstall. |
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| 22:48.29 | william3 | Would this new package be something needed by chrome possibly? Is there something I can do to see where this version of the system was installed from? I only saw this error recently and the last apt-get upgrade a week or so ago was successful. |
| 22:48.35 | themill | !not available |
| 22:48.36 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 22:48.44 | themill | william3: ^^ the output of that command would be useful to see |
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| 22:51.18 | william3 | themill http://pastie.org/9952433 |
| 22:51.48 | themill | that's not a good look |
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| 23:01.44 | william3 | themill this seems like some error in Jessie. http://pastie.org/9952458 doesn't look like it is anything that I did. |
| 23:02.41 | themill | william3: no, you've got a strange set of packages installed that aren't even from jessie. (Everything in that last output) |
| 23:03.02 | themill | william3: what does "aptitude full-upgrade" want to do? |
| 23:03.59 | phix | So, how does the Jessie package line up look? |
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| 23:05.14 | william3 | it is upgrading. |
| 23:05.30 | themill | phix: long. |
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| 23:10.33 | kWO901 | . |
| 23:11.08 | kWO901 | I did some changes with xmodmap, i want default to be restored. |
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| 23:11.22 | kWO901 | I did some changes with xmodmap, i want default to be restored. |
| 23:11.26 | kWO901 | I did some changes with xmodmap, i want default to be restored. |
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| 23:12.47 | V155 | what packages depend on udev/systemd? thinking about updating my wheezy installation but cant update udev/systemd because the arm hw only works with the 2.6.35 kernel the manufacturer provided |
| 23:13.03 | william3 | themill that finished and then apt-get upgrade had the same error but apt-get -f install was able to work this time. Thanks for the help. |
| 23:13.31 | themill | william3: you might like to run that "not available" aptitude command again and see where you are up to. Ideally, there should be no packages listed in it |
| 23:14.13 | william3 | which was that? |
| 23:14.29 | themill | !not available |
| 23:14.30 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 23:14.34 | themill | william3: ^^ that one |
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| 23:23.06 | parsnip | Not sure if I should let Debian people know, $PAGER made it tricky to use ranger as new user. |
| 23:24.50 | parsnip | :dump_keybindings did not work, :display_log showed something about sensible_pager of Debian. hut from #ranger helped me discover this. Or maybe this remains a ranger problem. |
| 23:26.06 | jhutchins | !info ranger |
| 23:26.49 | parsnip | It's a file-explorer with vim-like key-bindings, and an eccentric 3-column layout. |
| 23:26.55 | dpkg | ranger: (File manager with an ncurses frontend written in Python), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 548 kB |
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| 23:28.12 | parsnip | Sort of parent directory on left, preview on right |
| 23:28.36 | jhutchins | parsnip: I've used mc. |
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| 23:29.24 | themill | parsnip: what about $PAGER though? Does ranger ignore it? |
| 23:29.51 | parsnip | themill: Not sure how to answer, but export PAGER=less is fix. |
| 23:30.17 | parsnip | er, i guess not. |
| 23:30.44 | jhutchins | parsnip: If ranger isn't compatible with whatever the default PAGER setting is, that's a ranger problem. |
| 23:30.46 | themill | parsnip: if you have less installed and it was previously using sensible-pager, then that's a no-op |
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| 23:31.01 | themill | jhutchins: no, there is no default PAGER setting |
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| 23:31.35 | jhutchins | themill: Yeah, which is also someting that ranger needs to cope with. |
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| 23:31.54 | themill | jhutchins: it already does. It uses sensible-pager as parsnip said. |
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| 23:32.27 | parsnip | Ah, sensible-ranger is sort of like a place-holder, that isn't really a pager? |
| 23:32.39 | parsnip | er, *sensible-pager |
| 23:32.58 | themill | parsnip: you can look at it yourself -- /usr/bin/sensible-pager -- it just runs whatever your user or admin has configured |
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| 23:33.16 | themill | If you have less installed, then by default it runs less. |
| 23:34.16 | parsnip | Then, ranger didn't read a variable correctly? |
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| 23:34.33 | themill | did you have PAGER set to something else before |
| 23:34.55 | parsnip | Hmm, not sure, I will remove the fix from .bashrc and check. |
| 23:35.00 | parsnip | *comment out |
| 23:35.46 | parsnip | echo $PAGER is empty |
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| 23:37.04 | parsnip | Is it rather supposed to say at least "Couldn't find a pager!"? |
| 23:37.27 | themill | What does "readlink -f /usr/bin/pager" say? |
| 23:37.46 | parsnip | /bin/less |
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| 23:38.06 | themill | yeah, so sensible-pager would just be running less for you anyway as expected |
| 23:39.06 | parsnip | Yes, `sensible-pager blah.txt' works. |
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| 23:39.43 | themill | parsnip: in what way does ranger not work if you don't set PAGER=less? |
| 23:40.10 | parsnip | :dump_keybindings etc doesn't work. |
| 23:40.18 | parsnip | Bound to 1? |
| 23:41.05 | themill | parsnip: you'll need to talk me through how to actually reproduce this. It seems to work fine to me |
| 23:41.25 | parsnip | Oh, 1? works for you? |
| 23:41.41 | parsnip | What about export $PAGER ? |
| 23:41.51 | parsnip | Because that is empty for me. |
| 23:42.03 | themill | what is "1" supposed to do? It does nothing here no matter what I set $PAGER to |
| 23:42.31 | parsnip | In ranger? `1?' outputs keybindings. |
| 23:42.34 | themill | ahh |
| 23:42.42 | parsnip | Does :dump_keybindings work for you? |
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| 23:43.31 | parsnip | I'm on kubuntu 14.04, so you may ask me to leave at any moment :) |
| 23:43.48 | phix | see ya! |
| 23:43.56 | phix | :P |
| 23:44.34 | themill | parsnip: well yes, you really should ask #kubuntu, but yes this also seems to be a problem in jessie. If PAGER is no set at all then it works fine. If PAGER is set to an empty value then ranger is silly. |
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| 23:45.04 | parsnip | Yes, and by default, my `echo $PAGER' is empty. |
| 23:45.25 | themill | That doesn't test whether it is unset of empty |
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| 23:47.50 | parsnip | So what should I do from here? Communicate an issue to Debian and/or Ranger? |
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| 23:49.31 | parsnip | Oh, it may already be reported, e.g., http://osdir.com/ml/general/2013-06/msg14261.html |
| 23:49.56 | Devastator | can someone do me a favour and see if something is reproducible? I'm trying to recompile php5-pgsql package with updated libraries from postgresql 9.4 (which I installed from postgresql.org) but I'm seeing some conflicts with libc-client-dev, libjpeg8-dev and libjpeg62-dev, I was wondering if someone could create a chroot and try the same steps as me |
| 23:50.18 | themill | parsnip: nah, that's already fixed. This is another bug in the handling of empty env variables. I'll report it now |
| 23:50.35 | parsnip | Thank you themill . |
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| 23:57.21 | Devastator | I have a few pastebins, if that is of any help.. |
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