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| 00:04.22 | Siente | Hello guys, what's the meaning of isohybrid? Can I just put the .iso file on the usb stick and boot from it? |
| 00:04.54 | themill | Siente: yes. It's a CD ISO image that also looks like a HDD image |
| 00:05.29 | Siente | so I just copy/paste the .iso on my usb stick and it's bootable no need of anything else to do to make it bootable? |
| 00:05.42 | Siente | debian-7.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso is this also working? |
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| 00:06.20 | themill | you have write the image to the device itself, not just copy the iso file onto the filesystem on the device. Yes, that image will work |
| 00:07.02 | mtn | Siente: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 00:07.25 | Siente | mtn, yes I read it, but I am on windows right now |
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| 00:07.48 | themill | !win32diskimager |
| 00:07.49 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 00:08.54 | x265nobp | how can i play x265 files on wheezy without installing any backports? |
| 00:09.10 | Devastator | how do I remove a chroot? |
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| 00:14.00 | Devastator | nice! I can't delete chroot because of a power outage, chroot directory is read-only, what should I do? |
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| 00:22.44 | Devastator | I will appreciate any guidance on these two problems :) |
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| 00:25.59 | anon420 | hello |
| 00:26.00 | cafuego | 1) Find out what is actually read-only (a mounted partition) 2) Rectify the problem |
| 00:26.23 | anon420 | does anybody know where dir_colors located? |
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| 00:27.11 | Devastator | cafuego the chroot directory is read-only, to left a chroot I just need to type exit, right? |
| 00:27.47 | Devastator | to leave I mean |
| 00:27.53 | anon420 | where is dir_colors located or where should i create it? |
| 00:28.15 | cafuego | anon420: man bash / LS_COLORS |
| 00:28.34 | cafuego | waaaaait |
| 00:29.12 | anon420 | i am trying to make xterm use solarized theme |
| 00:29.19 | anon420 | and colors are not used correctly |
| 00:29.32 | cafuego | anon420: You set the colours via the LS_COLOURS env variable. |
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| 00:29.58 | cafuego | LS_COLORS (because people can't write english properly) |
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| 00:30.46 | cafuego | anon420: see what 'echo $LS_COLORS' does |
| 00:31.15 | anon420 | filetypes asigned to numbers |
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| 00:32.15 | cafuego | and those numbers are the color codes as specified in 'man dir_colors' |
| 00:32.40 | nuno_nunes | hi |
| 00:32.56 | anon420 | thats a long man page |
| 00:33.05 | nuno_nunes | i need help to configure ntfs-3g |
| 00:33.19 | anon420 | where is the file itself? |
| 00:33.33 | anon420 | found it |
| 00:33.35 | anon420 | i am stupid |
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| 00:33.47 | anon420 | it is /etc/DIR_COLORS |
| 00:34.20 | anon420 | BUT... I dont have that file... |
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| 00:46.51 | dav1d | Also why do "services" and systemd files exist, e.g. for nginx? |
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| 00:48.09 | themill | the "service" command predates systemd by about a decade |
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| 00:59.31 | A|an | nm |
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| 01:02.57 | silg | Hi guys im a linux noob. Ive started with a vps on digitalocean. so far ive got nginx, postfix,dovecot,and some cron jobs going. i installed spamassasin but got from the repositories only versions 3.3.2. i looked around the web and see that 3.4 on debian repository is not available on 'wheezy', will 3.4 ever be available on 'wheezy'? or only with 'jessie'? |
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| 01:04.01 | Devastator | so, to leave chroot I just type exit, right? |
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| 01:09.46 | _2_Emmy | hi |
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| 01:28.16 | anon420 | i need help... |
| 01:28.35 | anon420 | i am trying to make xterm use the solarized theme |
| 01:28.49 | anon420 | i put it in the xresources place |
| 01:28.55 | anon420 | all worked but ls colors |
| 01:29.21 | anon420 | so i changed dir colors to a solarized thene i found on github |
| 01:29.32 | anon420 | now xterm is just black |
| 01:29.33 | dav1d | themill: oh so another old relict which one should get rid off -_- |
| 01:29.51 | anon420 | i deleted the file and still the same thing |
| 01:29.56 | anon420 | please help |
| 01:30.19 | themill | dav1d: not really. It works with any init system and it's a nice simple command to type |
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| 01:30.34 | dav1d | themill: but incosistent |
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| 01:30.43 | dav1d | 75% service, 25% systemd |
| 01:30.47 | themill | eh? |
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| 01:31.00 | themill | these are two entirely unrelated concepts |
| 01:31.04 | anon420 | wow |
| 01:31.11 | anon420 | now skype uses solarized theme |
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| 01:31.15 | anon420 | what happened |
| 01:31.21 | anon420 | how do i fix all this? |
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| 01:32.01 | Devastator | ok, how can I delete a chroot that says it is read-only? please help me fix this so I can move on to my other issue |
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| 01:32.20 | anon420 | please help |
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| 01:33.15 | themill | Devastator: yes, you use "exit" to leave a chroot. "chroot" is just a setting within an individual program although some things like sbuild or docker make it look like it's a more stateful thing. |
| 01:33.31 | _1_justin | fjou |
| 01:33.32 | themill | Devastator: so what do you actually mean by a chroot being readonly |
| 01:34.03 | _1_justin | back jou son of a bich |
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| 01:34.18 | anon420 | any udeas to fix my problem? |
| 01:34.35 | anon420 | all i want is for xterm to be solarized, but now skype is |
| 01:34.45 | anon420 | and ls is only shades of white and gray |
| 01:34.50 | Devastator | themill yesterday I was trying to recompile a package in chroot but I had a power outage, now if I try to delete the chroot directory I get this: rm: cannot remove '/directory': Read-only file system |
| 01:35.31 | themill | Devastator: is /directory on the / filesystem or did you mount in something extra? That's saying that the filesystem that hosted your chroot is readonly |
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| 01:36.48 | anon420 | how do i stop skype from using xresources? |
| 01:36.52 | Devastator | themill yes, /directory is on the / filesystem, it's actually /srv/chroot/wheezy, I've already booted in recovery mode to run fsck but I guess the system is really busted |
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| 01:37.05 | anon420 | how do i make only xterm use solarized xresources |
| 01:37.08 | Devastator | themill do you have a fsck syntax for me to try? |
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| 01:37.53 | themill | Devastator: sounds like you need a live image to boot off to then talk to / |
| 01:38.23 | Devastator | themill luckily it is a VM |
| 01:38.48 | Devastator | I guess I will just start over then.. or do you think it worth trying to recover from this? |
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| 01:44.19 | spacegh0st | hey, i want to do net install on my macbook pro late 2013 without buying a thunderbolt-to-ethernet...is repackaging the net install iso with the appropriate wifi driver an option? |
| 01:45.24 | dvs | spacegh0st: if it isn't in the kernel, there's a really poor chance of it working. |
| 01:46.19 | spacegh0st | ok thanks dvs, i'll just shell out the $30 then |
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| 01:47.17 | Devastator | themill fixed! thanks, about my other issue, do you have any idea? I'm trying to recompile php5-pgsql package with updated libraries from postgresql 9.4 (which I installed from postgresql.org) but I'm seeing some conflicts with libc-client-dev, libjpeg8-dev and libjpeg62-dev, I have a few pastebins if you think it worth |
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| 02:04.14 | anon420 | please help |
| 02:04.25 | anon420 | my xresources broke skype |
| 02:04.51 | phix | Skype is already broken |
| 02:05.00 | phix | plus it isn't a debian supported package |
| 02:05.48 | Epakai | specify XTerm instead of just color. XTerm*color0: instead of *color0: |
| 02:06.07 | Epakai | and quit begging, it's despicable |
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| 02:07.21 | snadge | so i installed the upstream version of roundcube on my debian jessie install.. very tasty.. i wish we could have this version included with debian |
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| 02:07.35 | phix | snadge: I prefer SOGo |
| 02:07.55 | snadge | my understanding is the package has been disincluded (if that's a word) due to the maintainers saying its too much effort to backport the fixes to the version thats in debian, and they dont have time |
| 02:08.07 | lanodan | I prefer a IMAP/SMTP access for whatever client |
| 02:08.09 | snadge | i think an acceptable fix would be to port the debian scripts to the newer upstream version.. if this is legal |
| 02:08.21 | phix | as it supports shared addressbooks, folders and sieve filtering for vaction messages and forward emails |
| 02:08.27 | snadge | oh yes.. i have thunderbird.. but webmail is just a quick fix when im on the run |
| 02:08.54 | snadge | yeah roundcube has ldap, but i have not bothered to set it up.. it also has the folders i have created in my thunderbird |
| 02:08.55 | nkuttler | snadge: you can just install from upstream if the version is that important to you.. and keep your install updated |
| 02:09.29 | snadge | thats basically what i have done nkuttler .. but im reluctant to just leave it like that because traditionally speaking roundcube has vulnerabilities which are exploitable (or has had in the past) |
| 02:09.35 | snadge | and my server got pwned once because i forgot about it |
| 02:10.05 | snadge | so they're up to 1.0.5 now, and its actually quite nice |
| 02:10.21 | snadge | but its likely too late for it to be included in jessie |
| 02:10.42 | snadge | it would ease the burden on the current maintainers though to just rebase on the upstream version |
| 02:10.56 | snadge | current solution is unfortunately to just drop the package from debian |
| 02:11.21 | nkuttler | ,v roundcube |
| 02:11.22 | judd | Package: roundcube on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; sid: 0.9.5+dfsg1-4.2 |
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| 02:41.28 | snadge | debian-goodies 0.63 is still included in jessie.. any possibility this will be bumped to 0.64 to close this issue: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748055 |
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| 02:44.18 | somiaj | ,v debian-goodies |
| 02:44.20 | judd | Package: debian-goodies on i386 -- squeeze: 0.53; wheezy: 0.61; jessie: 0.63; sid: 0.64 |
| 02:44.57 | somiaj | snadge: jessie is frozen and so that means that version changes (even like that) may not make it into jessie. It seems if you black list the problem files you can get it to work and so it might not be classified as a release critical-bug. |
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| 02:46.23 | Devastator | somiaj just for you to know, I got the same conflicts while running 'aptitude build-dep php5-pgsql' in chroot, with 'apt-get build-dep php5-pgsql' I get no conflicts |
| 02:46.42 | Devastator | I'm now trying to recompile, because I had a power outage yesterday which screwed my VM |
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| 02:47.20 | Devastator | let me know if you think it worth to bisect these conflicts to file a bugreport or not :) |
| 02:47.28 | somiaj | Devastator: and this is using a sid deb-src with wheezy? .. It could be that apititude's logic is noticing something apt-get's is not. |
| 02:47.45 | somiaj | a deb-src from sid is not guarnteed to be stasifiable in wheezy |
| 02:47.53 | somiaj | which is where the build-debs come from |
| 02:47.58 | Devastator | somiaj no sid deb-src, because it's just a package recompile |
| 02:48.35 | Devastator | somiaj if you have interest in trying to reproduce it, I can pastebin my steps |
| 02:48.46 | somiaj | so a deb-src from wheezy is not statsifiable in wheezy? I guess that is a bug, not sure if it will be fixed since wheezy is frozen. |
| 02:49.25 | Devastator | yes, I guess I was expecting that |
| 02:49.56 | somiaj | Devastator: as for your locale issues, jsut apt-get install locales to fix them in side the chroot (: |
| 02:50.24 | Devastator | somiaj thank you :) this chroot tip was really valuable! |
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| 02:50.43 | Devastator | somiaj can I then move the .deb package to the host later? |
| 02:51.08 | somiaj | correct, and the .deb should isntall on any host that meets the build enviorment (ie. wheezy and required lis) |
| 02:51.12 | somiaj | libs |
| 02:51.56 | Devastator | let's hope so haha |
| 02:51.59 | Devastator | still compiling |
| 02:52.27 | somiaj | I do it to build my custom wine packages and have built debs for friends using chroots too for people who didn't want to build their own package (I am sometimes to nice) |
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| 02:52.59 | Devastator | somiaj you are indeed :) |
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| 02:53.55 | somiaj | building a fresh chroot now to test your bug, which if it happens in a fresh chroot might happen |
| 02:54.08 | somiaj | oh I'm diong a i386 chroot (out of habbit) you did this in an amd64 (that could make a differnce) |
| 02:54.28 | Devastator | somiaj my pastebins from yesterday was in a i386 chroot |
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| 02:55.19 | Devastator | somiaj also, I don't know if it matters but I installed postgresql-9.4 before doing the package recompile: http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ |
| 02:56.25 | Devastator | if php5-pgsql source package is php5, is there any difference in recompiling php5 or php5-pgsql? |
| 02:56.54 | somiaj | that might be the problem is those postgresql libaries |
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| 02:57.30 | somiaj | no, the apt-get source and build-deb use the sorce package name, if you list a binary package it figures out the source package name and uses that. One source package can build many binaries |
| 02:57.51 | Devastator | maybe, please test if you can, I feel way more comfortable when someone which is better than me find the same result :P |
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| 03:00.42 | xsi | How to disable dead.letter file? I'm using ssmtp as sendmail client for php |
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| 03:03.06 | somiaj | Devastator: yea I get the same error. The Unable to satisfy build-depends is just a warning (guess it is having trouble with that virtual package) but the other error isn't really a problem with php5 |
| 03:03.27 | Devastator | somiaj thank you! |
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| 03:03.39 | somiaj | the error aptitude runs in is there is a conflict bethween libjpeg8 and libjpeg62, and I guess apt-gets logic doesn't run into that conflict |
| 03:03.42 | Devastator | the other error is the libjpeg conflict right? |
| 03:03.56 | snadge | i would have thought a bug is a bug.. i can understand that fixing bugs can be considered a risk, but surely it would be beneficial to do a risk analysis instead of just excluding fixing bugs because they're not "release critical" |
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| 03:04.14 | Devastator | ok! great! |
| 03:04.16 | somiaj | I would consider that a known issue in wheezy due to the conflicts in the libs, seems to pop up alot since you can't have both installed and some packages use one while some use another. |
| 03:04.51 | somiaj | Devastator: I doubt it will be fixed in wheezy, but I bet you can still just use apt-get to avoid the libjpeg conflict and manually install the -dev file that is missing (if needed) to build your php5 package |
| 03:05.02 | snadge | eg an optional package that has no dependencies.. what is the point in freezing that when issues have been fixed in sid, and it would be beneficial to have them in an upcoming stable release :| |
| 03:05.55 | themill | snadge: the size and scope of those changes is enormous though and the specific bug you're talking about isn't really that problematic... it's a false positive which is the safe option |
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| 03:06.14 | somiaj | snadge: release critical bugs are the only ones that have to be fixed. It is encouraged to fix other bugs. The problem with the upgrade is it isn't just a fix of that one bug, it contains a list of other fixes (some bugs) some changes, part of the freeze not allowing new packages in is to avoid the testing time required to make sure they didn't introduce any bugs |
| 03:07.21 | snadge | admittedly i haven't looked at the changelog for the debian-goodies package.. and there probably are other changes in it.. but i would wager that they're overall positive changes |
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| 03:07.35 | somiaj | snadge: the frozen policy has its benfits and drawbacks. (: |
| 03:07.44 | Devastator | somiaj yes, I'm waiting it to be built, thanks for checking it out |
| 03:07.56 | somiaj | snadge: debian tends to think the benfits outweight the drawbacks. The changes were listed in the bug report you linked. (: |
| 03:08.06 | snadge | yeah i was going to say that.. its a double edged sword.. if only there were exceptions to the frozen rule ;) |
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| 03:12.03 | Devastator | somiaj how do I copy something from the chroot to the host? do I mount some dir and cp the file?! |
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| 03:12.49 | somiaj | Devastator: you have to just be in the host, then just copy normally, the chroot is just a file tree inside the host |
| 03:13.02 | somiaj | Devastator: so you can't see the host from inside the chroot, but from outside you can see everything. |
| 03:13.12 | Devastator | great! |
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| 03:41.42 | wally4 | when ever I try to write on a pdf with my pdf viewer on debian |
| 03:41.44 | wally4 | and save a copy |
| 03:41.48 | wally4 | it says file is encrypted |
| 03:41.53 | wally4 | and gives me an error message |
| 03:41.56 | wally4 | how do i get past that |
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| 04:47.55 | louis_ | I am using xfce/pulseaudio. My mute button works, but volume up and down don't. |
| 04:48.02 | louis_ | I am used to all of these working or none |
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| 04:57.30 | poobies | Is there a way to connect to a WEP network with authentication and inner authentication through Debian 8 Jessie netinstall? |
| 04:57.54 | DANtheBEASTman | so I'm booted from a live cd, i have my HDD mounted but I need sudo to change any of the files.. how do I fix this? the partition is ext4, but it's kinda behaving like vfat does, so I tried `mount -o remount,rw,umask=000` but that didn't help.. |
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| 05:00.30 | BenNZ | DANtheBEASTman: add UID=1000 or what ever your uid is |
| 05:00.30 | louis_ | is there a simpe way outside installing independent scripts ot get volume up & down keys to work with pulse in xfce? |
| 05:00.43 | louis_ | **simple. I have working mute key, just need working volume buttons |
| 05:01.17 | polyphagia | $ pactl set-sink-volume 0 10%+ |
| 05:01.23 | polyphagia | or it might be +10% |
| 05:01.38 | DANtheBEASTman | BenNZ: ahhh thanks... but uh.. hm how do I find my uid? |
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| 05:01.53 | louis_ | polyphagia: Connection failure, connection refused. but pulse works. |
| 05:02.04 | BenNZ | DANtheBEASTman: in terminal ' id ' |
| 05:02.19 | polyphagia | it's +10%, that doesn't work louis_ ? |
| 05:02.21 | polyphagia | strange |
| 05:02.24 | louis_ | I tried both polyphagia |
| 05:02.36 | louis_ | it works as root only |
| 05:02.50 | polyphagia | is pulse running under root? |
| 05:03.11 | louis_ | i am logged in as a standard user |
| 05:03.12 | BenNZ | louis_: is xfce4-volumed installed ? |
| 05:03.15 | louis_ | i don't imagine pulse is running as root |
| 05:03.25 | louis_ | BenNZ: Yes. Just xfce4-volumed, not xfce4-volumed-pulse. |
| 05:03.25 | polyphagia | ps aux | grep pulse BenNZ |
| 05:03.35 | polyphagia | oops louis_ * |
| 05:03.51 | louis_ | polyphagia: it is running as me. |
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| 05:03.55 | polyphagia | ok good |
| 05:04.19 | BenNZ | louis_: this forum post is old but may be of use , http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=57332 |
| 05:05.00 | DANtheBEASTman | BenNZ: didn't help \: |
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| 05:05.54 | BenNZ | DANtheBEASTman: ok try using -O allow-other |
| 05:06.06 | louis_ | thank you BenNZ |
| 05:06.10 | BenNZ | DANtheBEASTman: might be -o allow-other |
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| 05:08.32 | DANtheBEASTman | BenNZ: \: still not working.. full command I'm running is sudo umount /dev/sda7 && sudo mount -o rw,uid=999,allow-other -t ext4 /dev/sda7 /mnt |
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| 05:12.16 | BenNZ | DANtheBEASTman: not sure then to be honest , i havent run live media in years |
| 05:12.38 | DANtheBEASTman | well thank you for trying.. |
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| 05:19.57 | somiaj | DANtheBEASTman: if the disk is ext4 change permisions with chmod |
| 05:20.02 | somiaj | sorry filesystem |
| 05:20.21 | somiaj | or chown -R user.user /path/to/mount/point |
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| 05:30.27 | poobies | Does anybody happen to have an answer to the question I asked a half-hour ago? |
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| 05:32.13 | Rusty1 | poobies: as it might have scrolled past, and others have joined, a repeat of the question might find someone who can help |
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| 05:32.44 | Rusty1 | and keep in mind time of day EU and US where many reside |
| 05:32.51 | poobies | Is there a way to connect to a WEP network with authentication and inner authentication through Debian 8 Jessie netinstall? |
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| 06:04.26 | Overlord823 | Dpkg guidelines |
| 06:04.27 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask, just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading documentation (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill, practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people), see <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste into a <pastebin>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
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| 06:10.40 | owen1 | how to hide the little bar on top of every xterm window? it just say 'xterm' and it will be nice to hide it. |
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| 06:11.12 | somiaj | owen1: depends on your WM/DE |
| 06:11.27 | owen1 | somiaj: oh. i am using i3 |
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| 06:12.00 | somiaj | owen1: then look up i3 hide title bar. I don't use i3 so i'm unsure |
| 06:12.03 | owen1 | mod+f is full screen and than it's hidden but i would like to hide in even without full screen. |
| 06:12.12 | owen1 | ok. i thought it's xterm. thanks! |
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| 06:12.53 | somiaj | the wm is what puts the title bar and border around windows |
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| 06:13.16 | owen1 | interesting |
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| 06:13.33 | somiaj | it use to be windows didn't put their own decor on them, then gtk3 changed that...and now I have to grumble at that because it just disables the ability for my wm to put a titlebar on it anymore. :/ |
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| 06:20.09 | celexi | i am trying wayland on fedora 21 and its amazing how smooth it all ( even imput )is |
| 06:20.38 | polyphagia | is it actually noticable compared to xorg? |
| 06:20.48 | celexi | quite a lot |
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| 06:21.29 | polyphagia | any problems yet celexi (besides fedora) ? |
| 06:21.44 | celexi | well not that i have seen, but i don't plan using it as main thing |
| 06:22.10 | polyphagia | exciting |
| 06:22.13 | polyphagia | i can't wait to use wayland |
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| 06:26.34 | owen1 | polyphagia: what's wayland and why should we care? |
| 06:26.40 | owen1 | new UI layer? |
| 06:27.55 | polyphagia | a new display server (to replace xorg and its ancient protocol) |
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| 06:29.07 | polyphagia | probably not going to bring in dramatic changes for users |
| 06:29.23 | polyphagia | http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html |
| 06:29.39 | zRecursive | It will take a long time for wayland to be stable as xorg |
| 06:31.19 | polyphagia | yeah |
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| 08:49.07 | xtalmath | how do I get a new package (of new software, not just a new version) included into debian's package manager? |
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| 08:51.50 | polyphagia | xtalmath: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 08:52.17 | polyphagia | and https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging |
| 08:52.32 | polyphagia | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 08:53.25 | xtalmath | polyphagia: I assume to get my new software included I must become the maintainer? |
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| 08:53.41 | polyphagia | yeah and you need to find a sponsor too |
| 08:53.45 | xtalmath | or can I just submit a software link |
| 08:53.51 | xtalmath | why would I need a sponsor? |
| 08:53.58 | xtalmath | financial sponsor? |
| 08:54.01 | polyphagia | nah like |
| 08:54.06 | polyphagia | somebody to upload it for you who's trusted |
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| 08:54.27 | polyphagia | you do all the work but they have to make sure you're not up to anything naughty and that it meets debian's QA |
| 08:54.30 | xtalmath | i.e. someone already involved in debian package management? |
| 08:54.38 | polyphagia | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq |
| 08:54.40 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 08:54.43 | xtalmath | oh you mean like security wise |
| 08:54.48 | xtalmath | ok |
| 08:54.53 | polyphagia | well it's not just security but that's part of it |
| 08:55.08 | xtalmath | so I need to find a mentor who is willing to vet the software? |
| 08:55.16 | xtalmath | that costs money? |
| 08:55.18 | polyphagia | no |
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| 08:55.34 | polyphagia | once you have your package ready you can put it up as a RFP and look for a sponsor |
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| 08:55.55 | xtalmath | polyphagia: if I get it included in debian, it would automatically become available in ubuntu? |
| 08:55.59 | polyphagia | eventually |
| 08:56.07 | polyphagia | ubuntu's based off sid i'm pretty sure |
| 08:56.18 | xtalmath | RFP is .. request for packaging? |
| 08:56.20 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 08:56.37 | polyphagia | so yeah it'll get included into ubuntu and mint |
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| 08:56.41 | polyphagia | and all the other debian-based distros |
| 08:56.52 | polyphagia | so debian makes the most sense if you wanna get your software out there |
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| 08:57.12 | xtalmath | polyphagia: this also means debian tends to have fresher software? |
| 08:57.23 | polyphagia | well unstable does yeah |
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| 08:57.35 | xtalmath | ok I think I start to get it |
| 08:58.05 | polyphagia | it'll be a while before it's in stable unless it's backported but it'll reach ubuntu and the others pretty fast |
| 08:58.33 | xtalmath | polyphagia: there are lists of default packages, so I can aim at having least dependencies as possible without reinventing wheel? |
| 08:58.55 | xtalmath | *are there |
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| 08:59.15 | polyphagia | you just specify your dependencies in the deb file |
| 08:59.17 | xtalmath | ok, thanks for the links |
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| 08:59.24 | polyphagia | whether they're installed by default doesn't really matter |
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| 08:59.34 | polyphagia | apt-get will find them |
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| 08:59.53 | xtalmath | so I can just forget about trying to get included in ubuntu, they will assign their own people to make their ubuntu version? |
| 09:00.29 | polyphagia | if you get your package onto debian's repositories in unstable, when ubuntu rolls out their next version it'll be there |
| 09:01.08 | polyphagia | usually anyway idk maybe ubuntu can decide to randomly not include some software |
| 09:01.14 | polyphagia | they do hacky patches sometimes too |
| 09:01.31 | xtalmath | yes, I know apt-get resolves dependencies, but was wondering if there were any lists of default packages that come preinstalled. so if I depend on library X for managing taks T but it's not default package while default package D can also manage task T then I'd better convert my software to use D |
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| 09:01.58 | xtalmath | allright, I dont think ubuntu will do crazy, its just educational software, not finished yet either |
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| 09:02.05 | polyphagia | well debian installs vary a lot |
| 09:02.20 | polyphagia | i'm not sure if there's a place where you can find default packages |
| 09:02.38 | xtalmath | polyphagia: so since they vary a lot, I should just not worry too much about dependencies? |
| 09:02.44 | xtalmath | most people have Qt ? |
| 09:02.44 | polyphagia | well what's an example |
| 09:02.58 | polyphagia | you can check popcon for which packages are more popular in debian |
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| 09:03.11 | polyphagia | more people probably have gtk than qt because gnome is debian's default desktop |
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| 09:03.32 | xtalmath | ok, I have to write that down, popcon, its like a statistics page? |
| 09:03.34 | polyphagia | but there's nothing wrong with using qt if it's more appropriate |
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| 09:03.46 | polyphagia | http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 09:03.49 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 09:03.55 | pipl | but popcon statistics are not always correct as i'm a part of that. |
| 09:03.57 | polyphagia | you can search up a package and see how many people have it installed and the trends |
| 09:04.03 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 09:04.06 | pipl | i'm *not* a part of that. |
| 09:04.13 | xtalmath | polyphagia: I'm aiming for Qt so other OS's could easily run it too, but I still think availability in package manager would help spread it |
| 09:04.14 | polyphagia | it's only people who have the popularity-contest installed |
| 09:04.34 | xtalmath | I see |
| 09:04.43 | xtalmath | kind of voting by installation |
| 09:04.46 | polyphagia | but debian's installer has a checkbox asking people whether or not they want to participate |
| 09:04.52 | xtalmath | with little sybil-free checks :) |
| 09:04.55 | polyphagia | so it's not just from manual installs |
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| 09:05.11 | polyphagia | yeah xtalmath qt is fine |
| 09:05.12 | xtalmath | yeah, server farm boom |
| 09:05.16 | xtalmath | allright |
| 09:05.24 | xtalmath | thanks for taking these minutes for me |
| 09:05.55 | polyphagia | i'm not really an expert but i'm glad i could help somewhat lol |
| 09:06.10 | polyphagia | it's great to see people wanting to contribute |
| 09:06.33 | polyphagia | it's kind of a lot to take in but absolutely worth it |
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| 09:18.56 | xtalmath | polyphagia: lots of work still to finish the software, was just curious of the process |
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| 09:21.41 | polyphagia | oh ok xtalmath no problem |
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| 09:22.00 | xtalmath | polyphagia: but you were of great help |
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| 09:22.29 | xtalmath | I was looking at having to become a maintainer for like 10 distro's |
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| 09:26.12 | polyphagia | oh xtalmath well i'd recommend debian for sure i'm not sure about the processes behind others |
| 09:26.26 | polyphagia | i mean ig you could look into fedora as well |
| 09:26.37 | polyphagia | debian is a lot more popular though if you count distros based on it |
| 09:26.55 | polyphagia | even if you don't i think it;s still more popular lol |
| 09:27.35 | xtalmath | yeah, it took me a while to realize I wouldn't need to duplicate efforts for mint, ubuntu, etc |
| 09:27.47 | polyphagia | yeah that'd be really tedious |
| 09:27.52 | xtalmath | this saves a lot of time |
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| 09:34.01 | Iridos | xtalmath, you can also file a "request for package" type bugreport on the software and see if someone picks it up |
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| 09:34.47 | Iridos | ah, guess you already got there as well... had only read very beginning and end |
| 09:34.51 | xtalmath | Iridos: so if I placed it on github, I could play lazy and beg by bugreport? |
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| 09:35.39 | Iridos | it has to be free software anyway, else it cannot go into debian |
| 09:35.45 | xtalmath | good to know, but I will probably prepare the tarball to fit whats described in those pages |
| 09:35.52 | Iridos | dpkg, rfp |
| 09:35.52 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 09:35.53 | themill | things only get packaged if it scratches someone's itch... you're the one who is most likely to scratch the itch. |
| 09:35.54 | xtalmath | Iridos: thats quite obvious ;) |
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| 09:36.16 | Iridos | but there's a lot of rfp and I guess people only pick up what they're themselves also interested in |
| 09:36.20 | xtalmath | dpkg, nmg |
| 09:36.21 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 09:36.33 | themill | xtalmath: what software is this? |
| 09:38.25 | xtalmath | themill: it's not ready yet, educational software, a trainer, based on MetaMath, which is a formal verification tool, a proof checker, with a math database (although in theory you could enter physics axioms, or social ones of obligation, desirability, or legal axioms or ...). I'm building a tool to train contents of such databases (the axioms & definitions, and to train the proofs) |
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| 09:39.13 | xtalmath | thanks to metamath, during training or testing a proof, the user could enter an original proof and it would still pass thanks to the proof checker |
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| 09:39.52 | xtalmath | it will keep statistics on how long it takes you to continue a step, haste is a good teacher |
| 09:40.16 | themill | xtalmath: no software is finished... You might like to look at http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide for some things that you can do to make it easier for people to package it |
| 09:40.18 | NemeSis | hi how can i give access to a directory to 2 group line apache and ftp ? |
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| 09:41.13 | xtalmath | themill: thanks, that is actually the most relevant page of them all |
| 09:41.15 | da3m0n22 | hi, is there any introspection into how is dpkg / apt protected against failure when upgrading themselves? so eg. failed dpkg upgrade won't result in unrepairable state |
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| 09:41.55 | xtalmath | themill: I always assumed upstream meant linux torvalds, lol. things are starting to make sense |
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| 09:42.15 | Iridos | xtalmath, it depends on where in the stream you are what's upstream of you |
| 09:42.18 | themill | da3m0n22: each file in the package is upgraded atomically and dpkg ensures that the files actually hit the disk. |
| 09:42.22 | NemeSis | hi how can i give access to a directory to 2 group line apache and ftp ? |
| 09:42.28 | Vroomfondel | well Linus is up-stream *eventually* |
| 09:42.35 | Vroomfondel | depends how far you paddle |
| 09:42.44 | NemeSis | hi how can i give access to a directory to 2 group like "apache" and "ftp" ? |
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| 09:43.25 | Vroomfondel | NemeSis: only by using posix ACLs (search for a tutorial on getfacl/setfacl) |
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| 09:45.04 | NemeSis | Vroomfondel, can you help ? |
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| 09:46.57 | Vroomfondel | NemeSis: if ACLs are enabled on the filesystem, something like the following would work: setfacl -m group::ftp::r-- /my/directory; setfacl -m group::apache::r-- /my/directory |
| 09:47.01 | da3m0n22 | themill: ok, and but it has to replace self binary (/bin /usr/bin) and libraries, can process fail in the middle with some disk corruption or OOM for example ? |
| 09:47.03 | Vroomfondel | that would give read-access to the directory. |
| 09:48.12 | da3m0n22 | it's not like it would install itself into folder, verify the install and then just updated symlinks to binaries and resources |
| 09:48.17 | themill | da3m0n22: the binaries it uses are self-contained and replaced atomically. I don't know if there is still a small window in there where things can go wrong with mismatched versinos. |
| 09:48.30 | KidCartouche | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 09:48.31 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Consider running <tum> at this point in the release cycle. |
| 09:48.40 | themill | da3m0n22: dpkg is a small and simple thing that can be updated atomically. |
| 09:49.01 | themill | da3m0n22: apt has a pile of library dependencies and is going to struggle more. |
| 09:49.21 | makkan | I have a annoying sound problem. I'm trying to use an ancient frontend to mpg123 (camp) and it plays music nicely using pulseaudio. It also has a feature to raise/lower the volume with +/- but that does NOT work with PulseAudio, it does however work with Alsa only (i.e. if I uninstall PulseAudio, neither padsp nor pasuspender works) making it more annoying the raise/lower feature worked like a charm on the same machine running Crunchbang Waldo |
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| 09:49.41 | da3m0n22 | themill: dpkg is ofc more important, broken apt is not that hard to recover, however without dpkg it'd be really hard |
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| 09:49.43 | themill | da3m0n22: but if dpkg is still working then you can recover the machine using just that. (Actually, we've used busybox-static to get a few machines out of trouble over the years...) |
| 09:49.51 | KidCartouche | dpkg, moving target |
| 09:49.52 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 09:50.03 | da3m0n22 | themill: busybox-static contains dpkg? |
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| 09:50.25 | KidCartouche | dpkg, testing security |
| 09:50.26 | dpkg | Jessie is unlikely to receive full security support for some time -- don't run Jessie on things where good security support and stability are important. |
| 09:50.49 | themill | da3m0n22: /usr/bin/dpkg doesn't use anything else that is in a dpkg library -- it's self contained. Now maintainer scripts might fail if you screwed up other bits of dpkg, but dpkg could still recover itself. |
| 09:51.24 | themill | da3m0n22: yeah, there's a dpkg applet in busybox. It can unpack a .deb for you in an emergency (dpkg -x foo.deb /) |
| 09:51.47 | da3m0n22 | :-))) nice, haven't know that |
| 09:52.09 | themill | da3m0n22: if you want to see just how crazy you can get and not actually break things, see http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/crossgrading |
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| 09:53.23 | da3m0n22 | themill: thanks for your attention |
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| 10:03.41 | bller | Morning people :) |
| 10:03.57 | bolt | is there a filesystem like a reverse chunkfs, that will show a (perhaps read-only) view of a filesystem where big files in the source are represented as multiple small files at the mountpoint? for use with backup services that don't handle large files well |
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| 10:04.17 | bller | ZFS ? |
| 10:04.36 | bolt | zfs does that? |
| 10:05.00 | bller | i m not entirely sure, but it sure does a good job with large and very large files |
| 10:05.12 | bller | look it up |
| 10:05.15 | bller | might be a good start |
| 10:05.19 | bolt | we already use zfs |
| 10:05.35 | bolt | it's not about handling large files, it's about displaying a view of them where they're split into smaller chunks, for our backup service |
| 10:05.36 | bller | hmm |
| 10:06.04 | bller | interesting topic though, i ll look around and if i find something i ll let you know |
| 10:06.19 | NemeSis | how should i get permision to apache for that it can access to /home/user/ files ? |
| 10:06.53 | bller | just access? |
| 10:07.01 | bolt | only read, yes |
| 10:07.19 | bller | the default should be 755 |
| 10:07.20 | bolt | well, there would need to be a way to restore a backup |
| 10:07.28 | bolt | oh. nevermind |
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| 10:07.49 | bolt | 701 would work, too |
| 10:07.53 | bller | i m looking up on BTRFS |
| 10:07.57 | bolt | and then a subdirectory accessible by apache further down |
| 10:08.02 | bller | seems to be simmilar to what you need |
| 10:08.15 | bller | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs |
| 10:08.40 | bller | Btrfs is intended to address the lack of pooling, snapshots, checksums, and integral multi-device spanning in Linux file systems.[5] Chris Mason, the principal Btrfs author, has stated that its goal was "to let Linux scale for the storage that will be available. |
| 10:09.52 | bolt | i don't think btrfs will happily show large files as multiple smaller ones |
| 10:10.59 | bller | i m not sure either, but from the look of it, 8 EIB is not that o a small limit either |
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| 10:12.50 | bller | brb, smoke :) |
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| 10:14.20 | bolt | the problem isn't storing the large files. the problem is various backup utilities that aren't happy with large files. say i have a 200GB file I want to back up, I'd want the file system to show 200GBfile.1 200GBfile.2 ... 200GBfile.n, where reading each file would be translated to reading a chunk of the large one. a real-time version of the split utility, basically. |
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| 10:15.06 | bolt | maybe i'm just generating problems here, and should rather split the files in the initial archiving |
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| 10:15.31 | bolt | still, kind of a splitfs would be neat, as i have no problems with the large files locally and would rather have kept them as such |
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| 10:22.07 | NemeSis | how to give access to nginx to have access /home/user/ and user must have access to his home,,,, how should i fix this issue ? |
| 10:23.26 | bolt | NemeSis: which user does nginx run as, and what are the permissions on the home directory? |
| 10:23.58 | Iridos | bolt, that feels a lot like solving things backwards and in the most convoluted way... can't you reconfigure your backup system? |
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| 10:24.25 | NemeSis | bolt, permison for /home/user/ is user:user and nginx run as root |
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| 10:24.41 | Iridos | I mean.... messing with your filesystem structure because of a crappy backup system? bleh |
| 10:24.42 | bolt | NemeSis: if nginx runs as root, it can access everything anyway |
| 10:25.31 | bolt | Iridos: that's kind of my initial peeve with this. we do two offsite backups. one of them doesn't handle large files well. the other is perfectly fine with it. however, now i have to reconfigure everything to create small files just for that one offsite backup i have to use |
| 10:25.52 | NemeSis | bolt, how can i change that ? (user nginx start whit? ) |
| 10:26.03 | bolt | Iridos: i'd rather have a separate mount for that system to read from, which shows small files it likes |
| 10:26.13 | bolt | Iridos: instead, I now have to reconfigure a lot more things |
| 10:26.18 | Iridos | tell them to fix their shit? |
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| 10:26.49 | bolt | Iridos: have tried. fixing shit takes time |
| 10:27.10 | Iridos | and generally I'd think large files are better than lots of small files of the same total size for backup... less metadata to transmit |
| 10:27.11 | bller | back |
| 10:27.28 | bolt | Iridos: indeed |
| 10:27.49 | Iridos | so you'd actually do something harmful |
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| 10:29.44 | bolt | or, I could have set up this splitfs-like mount, to temporarily fix the issue while the backup company figures out how to store large files |
| 10:30.10 | bolt | hm.. weekend project with fuse.. |
| 10:30.32 | Iridos | I cannot imagine that any filesystem does that... I see no (sensible) application for it :) |
| 10:30.52 | Iridos | can't you have the backup ignore large files until they fix it? |
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| 10:31.03 | bolt | Iridos: we kind of need them :) |
| 10:31.07 | CissWit | NemeSis: the simplest way is probably to all your users to a specific group (user, http, or whatever name) and also add the nginx user to this group (probably www-data) |
| 10:31.12 | bolt | Iridos: chunkfs does this. just the other way around |
| 10:31.17 | Iridos | bolt, actually... you gave the search term http://sourceforge.net/projects/joinsplitfs/ |
| 10:31.31 | CissWit | NemeSis: then you just have to give group read permission to files and group execute permission to folders |
| 10:32.07 | NemeSis | CissWit, very very thank you |
| 10:32.16 | bolt | ooh |
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| 10:43.19 | bolt | Iridos: thanks for that link. may have saved me a lot of work :) |
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| 10:44.34 | Iridos | or condemmed you to a real great mess |
| 10:45.01 | bolt | there's always that :P |
| 10:45.09 | bolt | i'll take a look either way |
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| 10:49.29 | Maxxe | Hi |
| 10:49.32 | Maxxe | I've been trying to make a bootable usb with windows iso on it |
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| 10:49.41 | Maxxe | But everytime I try to boot from the usb |
| 10:49.49 | Maxxe | It loads the grub |
| 10:50.09 | Maxxe | Is there anything that must be done to make the USB bootable from the command line? |
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| 11:05.27 | bller | fuck yeah, mechanical keyboard |
| 11:05.28 | bller | <3 |
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| 11:07.21 | Maxxe | bller |
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| 11:07.24 | Maxxe | I've been trying to make a bootable usb with windows iso on it |
| 11:07.29 | Maxxe | But everytime I try to boot from the usb |
| 11:07.33 | Maxxe | It loads the grub |
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| 11:08.37 | bolt | Maxxe: booting the windows install from a USB drive is not a debian question. also, google has a couple of hundred guides on how to do this |
| 11:08.46 | Maxxe | bolt |
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| 11:08.56 | Maxxe | My question is about writing on the USB from Debian |
| 11:09.07 | bolt | use dd |
| 11:09.18 | Maxxe | dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync ? |
| 11:09.34 | bolt | if your iso image is a hybrid image, that works |
| 11:09.39 | bolt | your windows iso likely isn't |
| 11:09.43 | bolt | again, google is your friend |
| 11:10.27 | bolt | Maxxe: let me google that for you: http://askubuntu.com/questions/289559/how-can-i-create-a-windows-bootable-usb-stick-with-ubuntu |
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| 11:13.18 | bller | Maxxe |
| 11:13.23 | Maxxe | Yes |
| 11:13.41 | bller | Did you make sure you pressed F12 or whatever boot order button you have and selected the USB drive to boot first ? |
| 11:14.25 | bller | also, what software did you use to create the disk ? |
| 11:14.32 | bller | was it from Linux ? |
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| 11:16.28 | salamisam | Hello, I am trying to setup X200 tablet as according to https://sufficientlysecure.org/index.php/2010/05/05/thinkpad-x200-tablet-for-debian-testing/ |
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| 11:16.33 | salamisam | where are - and what are - .xinit and .xsession scripts? |
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| 11:17.35 | Maxxe | mkfs.vfat: Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sdb' (use -I to override) |
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| 11:19.21 | SynrGy | salamisam: those are very old instructions, so may no longer be applicable ... |
| 11:19.33 | salamisam | oh... |
| 11:19.52 | salamisam | but still, i would like to try |
| 11:19.52 | SynrGy | over four years old. however, to answer your questions: |
| 11:20.05 | redcheckers | salamisam: my .xinit script and .xsession script are in /home/username, or ~/ |
| 11:20.10 | SynrGy | .xinitrc and .xsession may not exist until you create them |
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| 11:20.44 | SynrGy | you know dotfiles are hidden, right? |
| 11:21.02 | SynrGy | so ls -l (or in a gui file manager, show hidden files) |
| 11:21.10 | SynrGy | er, ls -la |
| 11:21.21 | SynrGy | the -a option shows hidden files |
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| 11:22.53 | SynrGy | salamisam: one thing is that 'debian testing' at that time is now an obsolete release. squeeze is 'oldstable' and EOL (except for the lts effort) |
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| 11:23.32 | SynrGy | salamisam: the next thing is that it is no longer advised to generate xorg.conf. Xorg sufficiently autoconfigures that it is no longer needed. |
| 11:23.43 | Devastator | is there a way to reinstall apache2 for it to create the test file in /var/www? the "It works!" one |
| 11:23.57 | salamisam | okay thanks for tips |
| 11:24.00 | SynrGy | the next is that direct references to Device like that is obsolete |
| 11:24.07 | SynrGy | it is preferable to use input classes |
| 11:24.23 | SynrGy | there are *so* many things wrong with that article, you need to find current documentation. |
| 11:24.38 | bller | :)) |
| 11:25.10 | SynrGy | salamisam: it is always best to ask us what you want to accomplish instead of how you imagine it might be accomplished ... |
| 11:25.21 | SynrGy | otherwise we end up chasing the wrong problems |
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| 11:29.59 | SynrGy | Devastator: yes, and why? |
| 11:30.16 | SynrGy | Devastator: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.postinst |
| 11:30.24 | Devastator | SynrG because somehow this file was deleted :( |
| 11:31.10 | SynrGy | Devastator: particularly 'install_default_files' |
| 11:31.16 | SynrGy | Devastator: you can find the path to the default file there |
| 11:31.47 | SynrGy | Devastator: you can just copy it, as the postinst would do on a fresh install or upgrade from wheezy |
| 11:31.59 | SynrGy | er, wait, that's on sid (the second part ;) |
| 11:32.07 | Devastator | brb |
| 11:32.16 | SynrGy | i don't know what the wheezy postinst actually looks like |
| 11:32.21 | salamisam | Well ok |
| 11:32.36 | SynrGy | salamisam: so what are you trying to accomplish today? |
| 11:32.50 | salamisam | What I ask: How to enable X200 Tablet functions like eraser, and hardware button rotate |
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| 11:32.59 | salamisam | i can use the wacom pen as a mouse |
| 11:33.09 | SynrGy | ok. so you have debian wheezy installed on this tablet? |
| 11:33.14 | salamisam | but eraser functionality does not work and neither do tablet buttons |
| 11:33.16 | salamisam | yes |
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| 11:33.22 | SynrGy | i see. |
| 11:34.00 | SynrGy | can you manually use those xinput and xsetwacom commands to fix it? |
| 11:34.40 | salamisam | i dont know how to use them |
| 11:34.56 | SynrGy | hm, the article covers much more ... |
| 11:35.33 | SynrGy | well, probably the first thing is to see if those extra keys are actually mapped to something useful in this release |
| 11:35.38 | SynrGy | you could use Xev for that |
| 11:35.39 | salamisam | but at least the functions are present |
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| 11:37.30 | SynrGy | i see. so it's just wiring up the keys that's the issue? |
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| 11:39.04 | SynrGy | er, 'xev' i mean |
| 11:39.22 | SynrGy | this is in the x11-utils package which you may have to install |
| 11:40.06 | SynrGy | xev monitors X events and outputs them to standard output |
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| 11:40.26 | SynrGy | the idea is to find which keysym is being emitted and bind it to some action |
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| 11:42.12 | SynrGy | salamisam: on wheezy, i think there may be /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-wacom.conf which already sets up your wacom for you ... |
| 11:42.49 | salamisam | yes there is something |
| 11:42.56 | SynrGy | salamisam: you should probably look at any wacom driver documentation that ships with wheezy and see if there are options you can configure |
| 11:43.00 | salamisam | but the eraser doesnt work correctly and tablet keys are absent |
| 11:43.04 | salamisam | ok |
| 11:43.22 | SynrGy | typically you would make the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory and put a file in it to override the defaults |
| 11:43.39 | SynrGy | your file would probably only need to have a subset of what's in the one in /usr/share/X11 |
| 11:43.48 | SynrGy | you can give it the same name |
| 11:44.21 | SynrGy | that file handles a broad range of different wacom classes ... |
| 11:44.42 | SynrGy | you only need whatever applies to your hardware (and examining /var/log/Xorg.0.log can give you clues about it) |
| 11:45.04 | SynrGy | as for the key bindings, those won't be wacom-specific. |
| 11:45.41 | SynrGy | those would be particular to the x200. that's where xev comes in handy. if you know that some recognizable xeysyms are sent by those keys ... |
| 11:45.47 | SynrGy | keysyms* sorry |
| 11:46.16 | SynrGy | then it's just a matter of instructing your WM to make key bindings to command-line actions |
| 11:46.29 | SynrGy | so you need to know first what the command-line tools are that do the actions you want to bind to the keys |
| 11:46.58 | SynrGy | in fact, you may be able to skip xev entirely unless you run into trouble actually making those bindings |
| 11:47.17 | SynrGy | and just use whatever graphical tool your WM has for doing custom key bindings |
| 11:47.26 | SynrGy | salamisam: are you on GNOME or something else? |
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| 11:47.33 | salamisam | openbox |
| 11:47.51 | SynrGy | fine. are you familiar with customizing openbox's configuration file to do key bindings? |
| 11:47.55 | SynrGy | it's xml |
| 11:48.06 | SynrGy | the upstream website has some help on that |
| 11:48.36 | SynrGy | i forget if the debian documentation shipping in wheezy covers it or not. |
| 11:49.23 | SynrGy | salamisam: this: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings |
| 11:49.54 | salamisam | ok |
| 11:49.55 | salamisam | thanks |
| 11:50.11 | SynrGy | salamisam: you can see there they mention using xev to get the keysym name, which is needed to make the binding. |
| 11:50.34 | SynrGy | some graphical tools in other WMs and DEs (GNOME, for example) automatically make the binding when you press a key |
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| 11:51.00 | SynrGy | if you have difficulty with any of this, give us a shout. i know it's a lot to absorb. :) |
| 11:51.21 | SynrGy | just be patient for an answer, as many of us check only infrequently when we have time. |
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| 11:51.50 | SynrGy | good luck! |
| 11:53.08 | SynrGy | salamisam: one last tip: even though it's old, that tablet.sh script in the article *may* be useful. you could try it and see if it does the right thing. |
| 11:53.21 | SynrGy | salamisam: that could be the thing you'll wire up the key bindings to in your openbox configuration |
| 11:53.53 | SynrGy | i.e. it replaces step 4 of the tutorial |
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| 11:55.55 | SynrGy | just make sure you have the x11-xserver-utils package installed (contains xrandr) |
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| 11:56.55 | salamisam | looks like i screwed something up at some point |
| 11:57.03 | salamisam | maybe when i was earlier trying to configure xorg |
| 11:57.11 | salamisam | now when i try to login the tty1 flashes briefly and then it throws me back into login screen |
| 11:57.19 | salamisam | cant get to desktop at all |
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| 12:05.10 | salamisam | oh never mind |
| 12:05.14 | SynrGy | fixed? |
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| 12:05.18 | salamisam | yeah |
| 12:05.23 | salamisam | removed .xauthority |
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| 12:08.07 | salamisam | anyway now to something completely different |
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| 12:08.15 | salamisam | i cannot run powertop calibration |
| 12:08.26 | SynrGy | elaborate |
| 12:08.31 | salamisam | well |
| 12:09.01 | salamisam | when i start "sudo powertop -calibrate" the screen briefly turns dim, then completely off, and radios shut down |
| 12:09.05 | salamisam | and then - absolutely nothing |
| 12:09.09 | salamisam | waited for 2 hours |
| 12:09.34 | SynrGy | you mean --calibrate, right? |
| 12:09.40 | salamisam | yes thats right |
| 12:09.48 | SynrGy | you're doing that from X or a console? |
| 12:09.53 | salamisam | X |
| 12:10.04 | SynrGy | i have no idea. except you might try from console |
| 12:10.08 | salamisam | aha |
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| 12:10.16 | SynrGy | or try just ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 12:10.19 | SynrGy | to get display back |
| 12:10.37 | SynrGy | i don't know about radios shutting down. maybe that's something you need to configure to avoid that happening |
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| 12:10.45 | SynrGy | i'm no powertop expert |
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| 12:11.03 | SynrGy | maybe others here can comment? |
| 12:11.17 | salamisam | welp |
| 12:11.19 | salamisam | tried from console |
| 12:11.25 | salamisam | "unable to open display ":0" |
| 12:11.28 | salamisam | i guess X is needed |
| 12:11.52 | SynrGy | really? how odd |
| 12:12.30 | SynrGy | just 'sudo powertop' from console works fine for me |
| 12:12.42 | SynrGy | i don't know --calibrate. maybe that has different requirements |
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| 12:17.45 | salamisam | yeah, powertop works |
| 12:17.47 | salamisam | but not calibration |
| 12:17.54 | salamisam | which is needed for auto-tune |
| 12:18.03 | salamisam | which in turn i need to put into rc.local |
| 12:18.21 | SynrGy | then manual tuning it is |
| 12:18.26 | salamisam | yep |
| 12:18.51 | salamisam | Anyway |
| 12:18.57 | salamisam | Now something completely different again |
| 12:19.46 | salamisam | I have installed and configured linux-phc tools for software undervolting. they work fine and dandy, and they are automatically launched at boot |
| 12:19.58 | salamisam | but when i resume from sleep, the settings are reset |
| 12:20.04 | salamisam | the VIDs set back to default |
| 12:20.12 | salamisam | and i need to manually launch the application again |
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| 12:20.29 | salamisam | well, in this case, just click the status icon in the tray :-) |
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| 12:20.56 | salamisam | and i was wondering how to stop them from being reset on sleep-resume |
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| 12:22.15 | themill | I thought you could run powertop --auto-tune without doing the calibration bits |
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| 12:27.08 | salamisam | auto-tune gives me unknown op |
| 12:27.15 | salamisam | seems like this is a bug with the newest version |
| 12:27.18 | salamisam | great |
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| 12:30.14 | themill | «powertop --auto-tune» works just fine for me in jessie |
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| 12:31.47 | SynrGy | the description of calibrate looks super heavy-duty |
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| 12:31.49 | SynrGy | not surprised it does strange things to the state of the hardware |
| 12:32.16 | SynrGy | doesn't look like the sort of thing you would want to run regularly anyway |
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| 12:36.21 | salamisam | i'm on wheezy, so... ancient packages |
| 12:36.34 | salamisam | i'l try downloading and installing from sources 2.7 |
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| 12:37.19 | themill | that wouldn't be "a big with the newest version" but a feature that was implemented later. powertop is quite backportable btw |
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| 12:57.34 | salamisam | installed v2.7 |
| 12:57.38 | salamisam | now calibration seems to work |
| 12:57.45 | salamisam | at least it has progressed |
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| 13:30.30 | aeg | just switched from courrier to dovecot , but i have no idea how to add a user or what the default authentication mode is ? and help ? |
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| 13:31.44 | centrx | aeg, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-a-postfix-e-mail-server-with-dovecot |
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| 13:35.39 | graybis | So what do you think |
| 13:35.56 | graybis | also the opengl http://paste.debian.net/149673/ <= |
| 13:36.09 | petn-randall | !tell graybis -about crosspost |
| 13:36.54 | graybis | Right |
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| 13:37.15 | graybis | So any ideas? |
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| 13:39.51 | petn-randall | graybis: You started the discussion on the other Debian channel. It might makes sense to stay there. |
| 13:39.55 | SynrG | the context is on OFTC #debian and responses there. so followup there |
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| 13:40.32 | graybis | petn-randall: Other debian channel?? I posted 5 lines and I got kicked so I re-connected and used paste.debian.net .etc. |
| 13:41.11 | petn-randall | graybis: That was on #debian on OFTC. You're now on freenode. |
| 13:41.21 | graybis | oh lol |
| 13:41.24 | graybis | Sorry |
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| 13:42.30 | huba332 | how come there is a hard dependency on either fonts-dejavu-core or ttf-bitstream-vera? why cant i remove them and only have the font i use installed? |
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| 13:42.51 | rgr | hard dependancy where? |
| 13:43.15 | huba332 | debian i guess? when i try to remove one, it forcibly installs the other |
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| 13:43.47 | huba332 | last i checked an xfont isnt as important for an OS as an init system... |
| 13:43.56 | rgr | Oh I see. In the installed package dependencies . Sorry. |
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| 13:44.25 | huba332 | well, i dont know where its coming from |
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| 13:47.30 | Walex | huba332: some configuration files don't say "any font", they specifically require DejaVu or Vera. |
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| 13:47.33 | petn-randall | huba332: Which package depends on either of them, then? |
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| 13:48.10 | huba332 | petn-randall: possibly my wm |
| 13:48.19 | huba332 | at least thats one rdep |
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| 13:48.38 | huba332 | but fontconfig-config also depends on it...the hell? |
| 13:49.44 | huba332 | i really dont get that, it should just not depend on any font, since it doesnt seem to care whether i use dejavu, liberation, or vera |
| 13:49.51 | huba332 | any of them satisfy the dep |
| 13:49.57 | huba332 | so why cant i use my own? |
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| 13:51.47 | petn-randall | !tell huba332 -about bat |
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| 13:52.54 | huba332 | petn-randall: i'm just going by this: https://packages.debian.org/sid/fontconfig-config |
| 13:53.10 | petn-randall | huba332: Are you running sid? |
| 13:53.29 | huba332 | not everywhere, no |
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| 13:53.54 | petn-randall | huba332: What do you mean with not everywhere? What release are you running then? |
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| 13:54.26 | themill | huba332: what problem is being caused by having one of the font packages installed? |
| 13:54.30 | huba332 | petn-randall: wheezy and sid. both have hard deps on fonts i dont want. |
| 13:54.41 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 13:54.42 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 13:54.54 | huba332 | petn-randall: i'm not mixing anything, i happen to own more than one pc |
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| 13:55.52 | huba332 | themill: it wastes space for one |
| 13:56.44 | themill | if you want to micromanage dependencies, debian is not the right distro for you |
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| 13:56.44 | petn-randall | huba332: 2 MB in total? |
| 13:56.45 | huba332 | petn-randall: it's not insignificant for an ssd |
| 13:56.48 | petn-randall | That's probably less than the whole disk space this whole conversation is taking up in logs of everyone present in this channel. |
| 13:56.53 | themill | here kid, have $5 and get yourself a decent disk |
| 13:56.56 | huba332 | themill: i'm wondering why there is a hard dependency there in the first place, that's all |
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| 13:57.15 | huba332 | petn-randall: i don't store chat buffers. |
| 13:57.16 | themill | because fontconfig-using things tend to fall over if there are no fonts installed |
| 13:57.24 | huba332 | themill: yes, if there are *none* |
| 13:57.31 | huba332 | which is clearly the responsibility of the user... |
| 13:57.43 | themill | no it's the package's job to ensure there are fonts available |
| 13:57.48 | huba332 | which there are |
| 13:57.55 | huba332 | but you have a hard dep on a whopping total of 4 fonts |
| 13:58.05 | themill | no, it has a dependency on one font |
| 13:58.12 | huba332 | one of 4 |
| 13:58.22 | themill | Right. and 1 â 4 |
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| 13:58.31 | huba332 | right, and there are more than 4 possible fonts in debian |
| 13:58.49 | huba332 | so it's either laziness, or someone should be using rec: instead of dep: |
| 13:59.12 | themill | no, it should be installed. Feel free to test every fontconfig-using package to ensure it will work problem with no fonts installed. |
| 13:59.23 | huba332 | how about if xorg had a hard dep on gnome or kde, and everyone using xfce would need to have the other DE installed at the same time |
| 13:59.26 | huba332 | sound good? |
| 13:59.35 | themill | That's not the same at all. |
| 13:59.38 | huba332 | yea, it is |
| 13:59.52 | huba332 | themill: it should be installed, that doesnt mean it should be one of those 4 fonts |
| 13:59.54 | petn-randall | Ok, we've answered your question. Do you have any other question? |
| 14:00.02 | themill | yeah, because 600kB is almost the same as 600MB. |
| 14:00.08 | huba332 | petn-randall: you haven't answered anything, you're simply justifying bad design |
| 14:00.15 | huba332 | themill: semantics |
| 14:00.22 | huba332 | the core argument is the same |
| 14:00.24 | huba332 | it's bad design period |
| 14:00.30 | huba332 | either hard dep every font in debian, or dont hard dep at all |
| 14:00.32 | themill | no, you're asking people to do work for you when it's not worth it |
| 14:00.35 | huba332 | this is development 1 0 fucking 1 |
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| 14:00.49 | petn-randall | huba332: The maintainer tested it with those 4 fonts. It works. Feel free to test it with any other fonts and report your findings to the maintainer. |
| 14:00.50 | themill | huba332: this is Debian is made by volunteers 101. |
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| 14:01.46 | themill | And as I said, if you can't deal with 680k of dependencies on your hard disk that you don't want, then umm... |
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| 14:03.20 | anonnumberanon | How to save an internet window and its tabs with Iceweasel? |
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| 14:04.35 | themill | anonnumberanon: the Session Manager extension is quite good for that. (istr there is some of that built into iceweasel these days) |
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| 14:06.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | that was a fantastic debate about fonts though. |
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| 14:32.13 | Savemech | guys how to handle big archives? imean big ~300-700 gb of tar.gz or any archive? sometimes you need just one file from them and extracting that file took too much time :C |
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| 14:40.18 | ksk | Savemech: you would have to make them smaller of live with it I guess.. |
| 14:40.29 | ksk | s/of/or/ |
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| 14:40.43 | Savemech | may i just missing something |
| 14:41.15 | Savemech | i do solid tar.gz with sizes amount of half or one TB; but extracting this huge one to get only one file is a ... overkill |
| 14:41.35 | Savemech | btw sometime i dont know what exactly file i did need |
| 14:42.14 | petn-randall | Savemech: gzip is a streaming compression. You don't need to unpack the whole archive to get a single file. |
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| 14:42.54 | Savemech | petn-randall, how to get filelist, or something to not extract whole archive? could you epxlaint this to me? |
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| 14:45.23 | vamps | you have to extract the whole archive if it's a .tar.gz |
| 14:45.33 | petn-randall | Savemech: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/extracting-files.html |
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| 14:47.00 | Savemech | petn-randall, but, sometime i dont know which file i need, until see some structure; like using mc to open archive(but mc also unpack it to /tmp; where i havent much space) |
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| 14:47.45 | petn-randall | Savemech: man page says --list is what you want. |
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| 14:48.13 | Savemech | ok ty; i will try later :) |
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| 14:49.39 | aeg | using dovecot and exim the imap user can receive a message but can't delete or send a message; any hints to look for ? |
| 14:50.19 | aeg | BTW: it is working using squirrelmail |
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| 14:58.14 | ojaito | Is it true that I have to reboot following a routine dist-upgrade only if the kernel has changed? |
| 14:58.46 | Iridos | aeg, look at what pathetic excuses for a logfile dovecot can offer you |
| 14:59.08 | Iridos | exim's got nothing to do with the receiver-side of email |
| 14:59.21 | vamps | ojaito: you have to reboot only if you want to use the new kernel |
| 15:01.03 | ojaito | vamps: I guess my question is: under what other circumstances do I need to reboot so that the newly-installed software becomes available / takes effect. (I am especially concerned about security updates, of course. e.g., can I go for months with regular updates and never reboot my system, in the knowledge that failing to reboot has not prevented security updates from taking effect?) |
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| 15:01.41 | Iridos | ojaito, pretty much |
| 15:01.45 | vamps | ojaito: basically, kernel and libc upgrade |
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| 15:03.05 | ojaito | ok, good to know. Thanks! |
| 15:03.35 | vamps | but be carefull if you're using specific programs not installed with apt |
| 15:03.42 | vamps | maybe you need to restart them manually |
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| 15:05.04 | Iridos | if you use programs not installed with apt, they will obviously not get security upgrades anyway :-/ |
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| 15:05.20 | vamps | if you're program using a external librarie... :p |
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| 15:05.39 | vamps | your* |
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| 15:07.43 | JordiGH | Uh-oh... I broke dpkg by trying to install a broken self-built package. |
| 15:08.09 | JordiGH | Now it's asking me to recover by reinstalling my package... but it won't install because I built it wrong. |
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| 15:08.24 | JordiGH | And it won't remove it, because it says the package is in a broken inconsistent state. |
| 15:08.32 | JordiGH | Heeelp, how do I get out of the mess I got myself into? |
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| 15:08.50 | JordiGH | --force? |
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| 15:09.45 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.45 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.47 | JordiGH | D: |
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| 15:10.49 | JordiGH | This is what the wisdom of the internets offers: http://superuser.com/questions/22110/how-to-fix-broken-synaptic-updates-package-is-in-a-very-bad-inconsistent-state#210764 |
| 15:10.51 | JordiGH | Yes, --force. |
| 15:10.52 | Iridos | fix your package... |
| 15:11.20 | Iridos | specially pre/postinstall scripts, I guess |
| 15:11.33 | JordiGH | Too much work to fix my package. I'm trying to backport autoconf-archive from sid into unstable, but they're depending on newer dpkg features, features not found in stable. |
| 15:11.55 | JordiGH | I guess I could go into their git repo and reverse the patch that increased the dpkg dependency. |
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| 15:12.10 | JordiGH | I'd just rather forget the whole mess. |
| 15:12.15 | JordiGH | What's the worst that --force could do here? |
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| 15:17.06 | c-c | Suppose I have bunch of jessie packages and some local packages I want to install. Whats the debian way of automating this? |
| 15:17.32 | c-c | Currently its dozens of lines of "apt-get install <packagename>" in a bash script |
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| 15:17.44 | c-c | I'm pretty confident theres a better way |
| 15:17.52 | Iridos | want to install when? |
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| 15:18.04 | c-c | when user runs the script? |
| 15:18.14 | vamps | apt-get install <package1> <package2> <packagen...> ? |
| 15:18.17 | JordiGH | c-c: You could make tasksel task out of them. |
| 15:18.24 | c-c | vamps: please read again |
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| 15:18.44 | JordiGH | c-c: In your task you define what packages should be installed. |
| 15:18.47 | Iridos | well, ... it's not so much different from cloning |
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| 15:18.51 | Iridos | dpkg, debian clone |
| 15:18.51 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
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| 15:19.59 | c-c | JordiGH: ok, lets see, how to make a tasksel definition package |
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| 15:20.28 | Iridos | so I guess simplest would be to put them into a selectionfile |
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| 15:21.12 | c-c | hm, but the script set of packages is only a small subset of all the packages installed... |
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| 15:21.40 | c-c | also, there are a couple of themes, background pictures and such, so some scripting is needed |
| 15:21.58 | JordiGH | That scripting should be part of the packages' preinstall or postinstall scripts. |
| 15:22.06 | c-c | hmmmmmm! |
| 15:22.19 | JordiGH | Of course, that requires more work, and if all you're trying to do is save a few lines in a bash script, it may not be worth it. |
| 15:22.22 | c-c | so, instead of tasksel, create a .deb? |
| 15:22.57 | JordiGH | If you were trying to do this to satisfy ftpmasters, you would do both: fix your .debs to have the necessary install scripts *and* create a tasksel task. |
| 15:23.28 | JordiGH | But since you're your own rebel hacker who follows her own rules, just stick to your radical bash script and don't let anyone shame you for it. |
| 15:23.40 | Iridos | c-c, look at the selectionfile saved by dpkg --set-selections (or the file produced in "aptitude clone") - it's not a difficult file format |
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| 15:24.41 | c-c | it would be cool to eventually have it as a package in debian, but thats hardly the foremost problem |
| 15:24.51 | eio999 | hello |
| 15:24.55 | c-c | hi |
| 15:25.06 | eio999 | how do I know which graphics driver I need to install ? |
| 15:25.39 | c-c | HEre is the script, by the way https://github.com/csmr/jesbang/blob/master/jes.sh |
| 15:26.18 | c-c | eio999: doesn't installing xorg do it for you? |
| 15:26.29 | mtn | eio999: usually you don't need to install one. are you having trouble with graphics? |
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| 15:26.42 | iogangster | anyone using wayland fulltime |
| 15:26.44 | JordiGH | c-c: Is this about keeping crunchbang alive? |
| 15:26.50 | iogangster | or a qtcompositor. |
| 15:27.09 | c-c | JordiGH: for me, its about getting an openbox -box up fast |
| 15:27.13 | hikenboot | hi! can I mount boot for chroot. It doesnt seem to be mounted correctly because I get errors trying to install autofs and autofsk-hesiode |
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| 15:27.34 | hikenboot | I think its because it cant find the kernel version althought there seems to be bugs in this regard |
| 15:27.54 | c-c | JordiGH: crunchbang just happens to contain a lot of nice themes and small details worth copying |
| 15:28.06 | hikenboot | perhaps there is a different package i should be using than autofs? |
| 15:28.20 | eio999 | mtn: c-c: trying to compile an opengl program |
| 15:28.41 | spacegh0st | this looks good c-c, thanks |
| 15:28.54 | eio999 | it runs, but it doesn't work |
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| 15:29.02 | eio999 | I mean, it compiles |
| 15:29.03 | c-c | spacegh0st: it seems to work pretty well on a fresh jessie iso |
| 15:29.10 | mtn | eio999: and why do you think you are missing your video driver? I suspect you have one installed |
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| 15:29.26 | c-c | spacegh0st: but you may want to test it on a virtual machine first |
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| 15:29.45 | spacegh0st | c-c: alright, will do. i was looking for something like this the other day but settled on xfce instead |
| 15:29.46 | eio999 | mtn:here's glxinfo |
| 15:29.49 | eio999 | http://pastebin.com/pVtTZ3vv |
| 15:30.18 | c-c | spacegh0st: hm, actually, maybe a removable usb install will give more accurate picture of potential hardware problems |
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| 15:31.13 | c-c | eio999: have you done $ lshw |
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| 15:32.16 | c-c | or even $ lshw | less |
| 15:32.20 | eio999 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:32.22 | eio999 | from lspci |
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| 15:32.46 | c-c | (lshw tells you what driver is confed) |
| 15:32.52 | eio999 | I dont have lshw |
| 15:33.04 | c-c | just an apt-get away |
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| 15:34.46 | eio999 | http://pastebin.com/j5bqcGL5 |
| 15:35.05 | c-c | eio999: so you have i915 driver |
| 15:35.23 | eio999 | so its installed but its not working |
| 15:35.33 | eio999 | or is it not opengl 3.3 compatible |
| 15:35.57 | c-c | eio999: which release are you on? |
| 15:36.25 | eio999 | whizzy |
| 15:36.28 | eio999 | I think |
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| 15:37.21 | eio999 | how do I know ? |
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| 15:38.17 | eio999 | 7.8 wheezy |
| 15:38.25 | eio999 | 32 bits |
| 15:38.31 | eio999 | gnome 3 4 2 |
| 15:38.45 | c-c | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-test-opengl-2d-3d-graphics-card/ |
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| 15:39.28 | c-c | I think your previous paste showed quite a few gl features enabled |
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| 15:40.43 | c-c | eio999: install "amoeba" and execute $ amoeba |
| 15:40.46 | eio999 | anywhere else to dig for problems ? |
| 15:41.00 | c-c | ^ see above |
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| 15:41.52 | eio999 | cant find it in aptget |
| 15:41.53 | c-c | Whats a solid guide to packaging a script in a .deb? |
| 15:41.57 | eio999 | need to add a repo ? |
| 15:42.14 | eio999 | you mean the amoeba game ? |
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| 15:42.25 | c-c | I am on wheezy, so try harder, take iniative |
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| 15:43.02 | eio999 | amoebax I thought you wanted to install so,e diagnosing program |
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| 15:43.17 | c-c | I meant exactly what I wrote, eio999 |
| 15:43.21 | c-c | good luck! |
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| 15:43.54 | eio999 | the game works |
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| 15:45.04 | eio999 | mmh |
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| 15:46.27 | eio999 | I need to add a repo |
| 15:46.30 | eio999 | dont know zhich |
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| 15:49.58 | eio999 | c-c: amoeba cant be installed |
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| 15:50.10 | eio999 | bad version |
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| 15:52.43 | c-c | eio999: ah, my bad, amoena is in non-free and contrin |
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| 15:52.47 | c-c | *contrib |
| 15:52.52 | eio999 | I installed it anyway |
| 15:52.59 | eio999 | I mean no |
| 15:53.09 | eio999 | but I put the appropriate repos |
| 15:53.14 | eio999 | did not install it |
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| 15:54.20 | c-c | its just a way to test if opengl works |
| 15:54.32 | eio999 | I installed amoebax |
| 15:54.38 | eio999 | a 2d game |
| 15:54.41 | c-c | I don't know what that is |
| 15:54.41 | eio999 | and it works |
| 15:54.46 | eio999 | its a game |
| 15:55.13 | c-c | you could also try screensaver-gl |
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| 15:55.39 | eio999 | not there |
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| 15:56.06 | eio999 | I too tried to think about an app to test opengl, but I could not come up with one |
| 15:56.16 | c-c | amoeba |
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| 15:59.44 | c-c | eio999: you could also install xscreensaver, and run $ xscreensaver-demo |
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| 16:01.07 | c-c | eio999: then see which GL-screensavers you might want to install |
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| 16:02.55 | c-c | uh, install xscreensaver *and* xscreensaver-gl, and run xscreensaver deme, select Mode "only one" and choose a screensaver that starts with GL. |
| 16:03.18 | c-c | I don't think I can help you any further eio999 ! |
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| 16:06.14 | eio999 | c-c: I see 3D stuff |
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| 16:06.25 | eio999 | so it seems that I have opengl |
| 16:06.28 | eio999 | thanks anyways |
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| 16:18.26 | aeg | In the Older Gnome desktop there was a tool on the right top corner to see a overview of all open windows, now the logout/shutdown moved there so i can't find it any more; how do i get that function back ? |
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| 16:25.08 | aeg | having 12 Virt screens and opening gvim by project in each of them it would be nice if i can make it switch to the Virt screen and correct window if i already have that file open somewhere |
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| 16:26.31 | aeg | now it just naggs that the file is already open; in the past i could lookup in the overview where i had opened it |
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| 16:30.24 | c-c | #gnome aeg |
| 16:30.40 | aeg | thx |
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| 16:33.38 | eio999 | c-c: it seems that I need to install mesa 10 |
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| 16:53.38 | Lobosque | how do I automatically startx and login on boot and run a browser? I'm trying "1:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/startx -e /home/pi/kiosk-browser/browser http://127.0.0.1:8080 tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1" in my inittab but it is not working. here is the whole file: https://gist.github.com/Lobosque/5143af4f3832c049ac57 |
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| 16:54.46 | nkuttler | Lobosque: start the browser from your xsession file? |
| 16:55.33 | Lobosque | I'm not even getting x server started. just a plain terminal prompting for login |
| 16:55.52 | nkuttler | Lobosque: ah, i see.. no idea. i think gdm does autologins if that's an option.. |
| 16:56.20 | nkuttler | inittab is going the way of the dodo soon anyway |
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| 16:57.45 | jhutchins | Lobosque: I think the current technique would be to use a dm set to auto-login and set your desktop environment to automatically start the browser. It sounds like you're trying to build a kiosk, there's lots of documentation for various methods on the web. |
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| 16:58.14 | jhutchins | !kiosk |
| 16:58.14 | dpkg | somebody said kiosk was /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
| 16:58.40 | Lobosque | thanks, I will look into it! |
| 16:59.06 | jhutchins | Lobosque: I think the inittab method is somewhat deprecated. |
| 17:00.26 | Lobosque | jhutchins definitely not user-friendly |
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| 17:02.18 | OEP | Lobosque: once you get the auto-login, it looks like we just created an ~/.xsession, launch "xfwm4 &" for XFCE, and exec a firefox process with desired flags. |
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| 17:10.46 | brontosaurusrex | should timezones/ntp server be automagically set by the installed? |
| 17:10.51 | brontosaurusrex | *installer |
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| 17:13.38 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: Usually it asks you. |
| 17:13.46 | jhutchins | !timezone |
| 17:13.46 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 17:14.05 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins: yeah, somehow it did not work |
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| 17:14.41 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: Nice thing about Linux: when something doesn't work you can fix it. |
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| 17:15.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | in theory, at least. |
| 17:16.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's like saying "when your mona lisa gets destroyed in a fire, you can paint another one." |
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| 17:16.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | not everyone is a painter, and not everyone is a developer. |
| 17:17.32 | brontosaurusrex | q2: what login manager would i use (Id like to use openbox/fluxbox and perhaps i3 or dwm)? |
| 17:17.42 | brontosaurusrex | with systemd |
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| 17:24.06 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Pretty much everyone on irc can read though, so you can learn what you need to know to fix it, and it very seldom involves altering code. |
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| 17:24.25 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 17:33.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: well, i'm actually a developer, but nonetheless, i must've misunderstood you. |
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| 17:34.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | linux isn't particularly unique in its ability to be configured or its relatively comprehensive documentation. |
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| 17:35.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | i took your "nice thing about linux" to be a comment about it being open source (unlike popular consumer operating systems) |
| 17:36.06 | sifeic | q |
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| 17:36.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | which is the context for my claim that, in a nutshell, that's not really relevant for most people. |
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| 17:43.22 | SAKUJ0 | hey on two of my jessie machines i am getting W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/debian/dists/jessie/main/source/Sources: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 17:43.29 | SAKUJ0 | APT seems to get everything else properly, though |
| 17:43.42 | SAKUJ0 | i am a bit at a loss since i have connectivity and it happened on more than one installation |
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| 17:44.25 | bhuvi | hi...im running xfce desktop in debian unstable... |
| 17:44.52 | bhuvi | how can i access bluetooth services in xfce desktop? |
| 17:45.01 | SAKUJ0 | there is really not much voodoo in my sources.list |
| 17:45.02 | SAKUJ0 | http://pastebin.com/ax5ui5Qz |
| 17:45.22 | SAKUJ0 | it is pretty much the official one with wheezy replaced with jessie |
| 17:45.26 | bazhang | #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) bhuvi |
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| 17:46.25 | theseb | just curious how debian-ites feel about ubuntu being based on debian....furthermore..i just heard Elementary OS is based on ubuntu...doesn't that seem a little fragile for Elementary OS to be based on 2 layers below...irrespective of the fact it is mooching off them? |
| 17:46.31 | SAKUJ0 | i suppose release is imminent or something? |
| 17:47.07 | bhuvi | cannot join channel is invite only bazhang |
| 17:47.25 | bazhang | bhuvi, its a different irc network |
| 17:47.33 | bazhang | bhuvi, see the topic here |
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| 17:50.21 | bhuvi | bazhang thanks got it :-) |
| 17:51.01 | SAKUJ0 | OK the RWTH mirror (official) has a has sum fail for jessie |
| 17:51.06 | SAKUJ0 | how can i properly report that? |
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| 17:56.20 | jhutchins | theseb: There are lots of distributions based on debian. It's a good starting point, and there's no need to re-invent the basics. |
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| 17:56.50 | jhutchins | theseb: The fact that Ubuntu was based on Debian doesn't mean it's not it's own distinct, mature distribution now. |
| 17:57.39 | theseb | jhutchins: yes but if debian was no more ubuntu would be toast right? and elementary os will be toast if EITHER debian or ubuntu are no more yes? |
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| 17:58.48 | jhutchins | theseb: No. |
| 17:59.05 | LjL | jhuebner: Ubuntu still syncs with Debian Unstable every time they start preparing a release. |
| 17:59.10 | jhutchins | theseb: This is also more suited to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:59.13 | LjL | jhutschins even |
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| 17:59.30 | LjL | i wish i had a client with less silly tab complete |
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| 18:00.12 | bazhang | hah |
| 18:01.16 | bazhang | happy chinese new year to you LjL |
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| 18:02.16 | LjL | thanks bazhang :p |
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| 18:08.01 | SignorD | I have a problem with a VPS on VMWare. Clean install, I log in (root via SSH), update and upgrade and then try to log in again through another SSH session, but I can't: permission denied. Root login is permitted in /etch/ssh/sshd_config, password didn't change⦠am I doing something wrong or forgetting something, or is some bug that the host must look into? |
| 18:08.50 | petemc | SignorD: check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 18:10.25 | GNU\colossus | is there a working Python bluetooth API available in Jessie? |
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| 18:11.10 | jhutchins | SignorD: You can launch the client with the -v option. You should probably also create a regular user and try connecting as that user. Make sure ssh is running after the reboot. |
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| 18:14.14 | SignorD | jhutchins you mean ssh -v from the client? |
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| 18:15.18 | SignorD | I plan to disable root login and use a regular user, but if this fails, I want to understand why and not proceed unless this is supposed to happen |
| 18:15.28 | SignorD | petemc ok, what should I look for? |
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| 18:16.49 | petemc | SignorD: entries corresponding to the time you tried and failed to login.. |
| 18:17.16 | ChokoIt | Does anybody here think its normal to get turned on by shit? |
| 18:17.24 | ChokoIt | when I mean shit.... I mean poo... feces |
| 18:17.28 | ChokoIt | here is my problem |
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| 18:17.46 | ChokoIt | yesterday I was randomly daydreaming when all of a sudden I imagined Thumbs sucking my cock with his ass over my face |
| 18:17.56 | ChokoIt | suddenly he shat his diarrhea out and splashed my face |
| 18:18.13 | ChokoIt | just thinking about that gave me a hardon, and I promptly started pulling on my cawk |
| 18:18.24 | ChokoIt | until I shot hot gooey loads of cum in my own face |
| 18:18.37 | Bremsstrahlung | !ops ChokoIt trolling |
| 18:18.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bremsstrahlung complains about: ChokoIt trolling |
| 18:18.40 | ChokoIt | just thinking about Thumbs spraying his liquid feces... his sexy and tasty diarrhea |
| 18:18.44 | ChokoIt | right into my face |
| 18:18.51 | ChokoIt | I am getting hot and horny just chatting about this |
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| 18:18.56 | ChokoIt | is this considered normal? |
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| 18:38.08 | turtleding | ehm. what exactly was the reason to move to systemd? |
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| 18:38.25 | jhutchins | !systemd |
| 18:38.26 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 18:39.05 | turtleding | ah, thx |
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| 18:45.22 | Junka | i have made a live usb image, and i would like to use it for live sessions, but the wifi does not work, where do i have to copy the ucode file? |
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| 18:48.21 | p-trust | hey, I've just read this article: http://www.tecmint.com/linux-server-hardening-security-tips/ |
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| 18:48.49 | p-trust | it's saying put 'install usb-storage /bin/true' to /etc/modprobe.d/no-usb to Disable USB stick to Detect |
| 18:49.03 | p-trust | is it correct? |
| 18:49.42 | SynrG | Junka: by 'made' do you mean built with live-build? |
| 18:51.00 | Junka | SynrG: i did with dd |
| 18:51.42 | SynrG | Junka: so by 'made' you mean 'downloaded and then copied to usb'. which is not the same thing as making an image. |
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| 18:52.05 | SynrG | Junka: perhaps you were looking for the unofficial image with non-free firmware included, then? |
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| 18:53.11 | SynrG | !firmware images |
| 18:53.12 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 18:53.32 | SynrG | sec ... those are the installer images |
| 18:53.46 | SynrG | yeah, you just navigate up one dir |
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| 18:54.05 | SynrG | and down to this parallel directory: |
| 18:54.19 | SynrG | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.8.0-live+nonfree/ |
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| 18:54.56 | Junka | SynrG: thanks! |
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| 19:03.04 | jelly-home | do live images of wheezy also have d-i? |
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| 19:04.21 | tomivs | I want to login as root using single line (I will make a bash script) like this "echo mypassword | su" but this is not working for me :( |
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| 19:05.01 | SynrG | jelly-home: yes |
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| 19:05.10 | quidz | what tool is recommended to manipulate metadata on jpeg images on Debian systems? |
| 19:05.32 | jelly-home | tomivs: is the whole script supposed to run as root, or supposed to run some commands, only some of which are supposed to run as root? |
| 19:05.53 | centrx | quidz, exif? |
| 19:06.07 | jelly-home | quidz: exiv2 maybe? |
| 19:06.29 | jelly-home | tomivs: you'll probably want to look at sudo anyway. |
| 19:06.51 | jelly-home | ,i exiv2 |
| 19:06.53 | judd | Package exiv2 (graphics, optional) in wheezy/i386: EXIF/IPTC metadata manipulation tool. Version: 0.23-1; Size: 97.4k; Installed: 217k; Homepage: http://www.exiv2.org |
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| 19:07.50 | quidz | centrx, jelly-home: thanks |
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| 19:09.14 | tomivs | jelly-home: Ok, I'm in the sudoers file, but when I run "sudo rm -rf /opt/restbook" this request my user password, I can't write it because this is a bash script |
| 19:10.44 | jelly-home | tomivs: you do have to configure sudo properly. |
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| 19:11.18 | tomivs | jelly-home: thx :D |
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| 19:11.23 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tomivs about sudoers |
| 19:11.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tomivs about sudo |
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| 19:12.17 | tomivs | dpkg: Tell me plz :( |
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| 19:14.11 | jelly-home | tomivs: it told you in a private message, separate tab/window |
| 19:15.02 | tomivs | xD |
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| 19:16.31 | babilen | turtleding: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html is a good summary IMHO |
| 19:17.29 | turtleding | babilen: thx, im reading it at the moment :) |
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| 19:24.30 | sydney_untangle | What replaces vncserver in jessie? |
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| 19:28.27 | jelly-home | sydney_untangle: um, vnc4server is still there |
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| 19:29.27 | SynrG | sydney_untangle: was there ever a package called 'vncserver'? i don't remember one ... |
| 19:29.54 | SynrG | vnc4server and tightvncserver all two alternatives providing /usr/bin/vncserver |
| 19:30.01 | sydney_untangle | Well, i am wanting to give vnc a try and have gotten nowhere. |
| 19:30.02 | jelly-home | there probably was a Provides at some point |
| 19:30.09 | sydney_untangle | vncserver is running on my laptop. |
| 19:30.21 | jelly-home | sydney_untangle: which package does it belong to? |
| 19:30.23 | SynrG | check it. it's probably a symlink to the alternatives system |
| 19:30.36 | acz32 | is setting up FDE with LUKS just a matter of doing "Guided - Use entire disk and setup encrypted LVM" during the install process? |
| 19:30.59 | SynrG | update-alternatives --display vncserver |
| 19:31.20 | sydney_untangle | My laptop is fedora... |
| 19:31.41 | sydney_untangle | I was hoping to use my laptop as a second desktop screen. |
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| 19:32.22 | sydney_untangle | Or am i going about it the wrong way? |
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| 19:35.30 | acz32 | does anyone know? |
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| 19:41.37 | jhutchins | sydney_untangle: You might want to try x forwarding instead, but vnc should work too. |
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| 19:42.34 | jhutchins | sydney_untangle: It can sometimes be a chore to sort out the defaults - protocols, encryption, etc. espeicially when you're working with two different distros. |
| 19:42.52 | jhutchins | sydney_untangle: There are usually three VNC client/server projects available. |
| 19:43.06 | jhutchins | !vnc |
| 19:43.06 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
| 19:43.08 | felix_mc | hey guys, I have a simple openldap server, what do I need to configure both client and server side to get pam_mount to work with it? |
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| 19:46.17 | acz32 | how do you set up full-disk encryption with debian |
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| 19:46.28 | Prezident | crypsetup is a great way |
| 19:46.40 | Prezident | truecrypt also possible but i wouldnt recomend that since there is a backdoor in |
| 19:47.20 | acz32 | where is your source for the backdoor in truecrypt |
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| 19:47.51 | jelly-home | Prezident: truecrypt isn't in debian at all |
| 19:48.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | source? |
| 19:48.33 | Prezident | Jetico the military of united states of america provider of encrypted disks inviting truecrypt users |
| 19:48.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | isn't it public knowledge. |
| 19:48.38 | Prezident | on their homepage you can see it. |
| 19:48.43 | Prezident | good enough proof i belive. |
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| 19:49.08 | Prezident | quote: TrueCrypt users, welcome to BestCrypt! Familiar 'Volume' and 'Container' structure; No backdoors |
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| 19:49.52 | Prezident | Its pretty known since some years. |
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| 19:50.03 | acz32 | why are there no documented cases of people having their tc containers cracked by the feds |
| 19:50.45 | centrx | How would it be documented? |
| 19:50.45 | acz32 | there was a recent audit which found no backdoor |
| 19:50.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | why are there no documented cases of ISPs being forced to install monitoring equipment? |
| 19:51.00 | Prezident | acz32: i cant answer that question. |
| 19:51.01 | acz32 | centrx: news |
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| 19:51.39 | acz32 | NoImNotNineVolt: that's different. court cases are transparent unless it's some military court |
| 19:51.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | why are there no documented cases of federal agencies using parallel construction to prosecute cases and avoid the whole 4th amendment thing? |
| 19:51.57 | centrx | acz32, That's not true. Search warrants are obtained in a secret one-sided hearing. |
| 19:52.15 | centrx | acz32, Court records are sealed. Companies can be ordered not to speak of it on pain of imprisonment. |
| 19:52.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | acz32: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court |
| 19:52.22 | sydney_untangle | jhutchins: I think i will just invest in a real screen. |
| 19:53.04 | acz32 | anyways, we're getting off topic. i don't use truecrypt or care, i just want FDE with debian |
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| 19:53.27 | acz32 | the installed has an option that says to use the entire disk and setup encrypted LVM. is that LUKS/FDE? |
| 19:53.32 | acz32 | installer* |
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| 20:06.02 | jhutchins | acz32: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/639/Encrypting_an_existing_Debian_lenny_installation |
| 20:06.56 | jhutchins | acz32: http://www.finnie.org/2009/07/26/howto-encrypt-an-existing-debian-installation/ |
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| 20:07.31 | jhutchins | acz32: As one of those says, there are a lot of places where the process can go wrong, so be prepared. |
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| 20:10.42 | francesco_ | Hi. I don't know if this is the proper channel to ask. Why is "ngspice" listed as "non-free" software, in the Debian reps? Thanks in advance, and sorry if the question may seem stupid to you. :) |
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| 20:12.01 | somiaj | francesco_: you can check the license in /usr/share/ngspice if it is installed. It can be anything from the documentation is non-free to it includes non-free binary blobs |
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| 20:12.34 | centrx | Could be GFDL documentation, but seems like the maintainers should just remove that |
| 20:12.49 | somiaj | or put it in a seperate non-free package. |
| 20:13.07 | francesco_ | "GFDL" documentation? |
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| 20:13.20 | jhutchins | !dfsg |
| 20:13.21 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 20:14.24 | francesco_ | jhutchins, yes. I've read this documentation. I just want to know why the specific package "ngspice" is listed as "non-free". I don't know if this the proper channel to ask. :) |
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| 20:15.13 | somiaj | francesco_: look at the file /usr/share/doc/ngspice/copyright |
| 20:15.31 | somiaj | francesco_: my guess is the SPICEDOC license that the documentation has on it, but that gives the copyright of every part of the code |
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| 20:16.02 | francesco_ | somiaj, what do you mean? |
| 20:16.22 | somiaj | seems that there are some .xml files that have a NOOVELA license, and that is the code can be used non-commerical usage only, that might be it to. |
| 20:16.39 | somiaj | I mean look at the actual copyright file which debian provides with all packages. It tells you the license of each and every piece of the software. |
| 20:17.15 | francesco_ | somiaj, can I look at the copyright, without installing ngspice? |
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| 20:17.27 | somiaj | You'll have to extract the package or file, that is what I did |
| 20:17.28 | francesco_ | I found it. :) Thank you. |
| 20:17.41 | somiaj | not sure if you can find it online or another way. |
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| 20:18.09 | polyphagia | you can do apt-get source too |
| 20:18.11 | francesco_ | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/n/ngspice/ngspice_24-1_copyright |
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| 20:18.15 | jhutchins | francesco_: You can also go to the project page: http://ngspice.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:18.16 | polyphagia | if you don't want to install it |
| 20:18.32 | polyphagia | > This code IS to be used for non-commercial usage ONLY. |
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| 20:18.36 | polyphagia | that'll be it |
| 20:18.38 | polyphagia | :P |
| 20:18.49 | polyphagia | that one line moved it from main to non-free |
| 20:19.06 | francesco_ | polyphagia, why? |
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| 20:19.15 | polyphagia | because it doesn't follow the DFSG |
| 20:19.28 | polyphagia | the packages in main are allowed to be used commercially |
| 20:19.28 | jhutchins | francesco_: Really, you are going to have to do some of your own thinking if you want to understand this. |
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| 20:19.49 | somiaj | because that is a restriction on the code which is considered non free by the DFSG. Now it is only a few pieces of the code that has that license (see copyright file) but all it takes is one piece of documentation or file having a non-free licesnse and the whole package has to be distributed though non-free |
| 20:21.45 | polyphagia | it's a shame too because sometimes people do it with good intentions |
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| 20:22.30 | francesco_ | But, does it mean that, for certain pieces of code, only the binary files is available, without its source code? |
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| 20:23.05 | Epakai | it's not about the source being available, there are restrictions on how the source can be used |
| 20:23.09 | SignorD | I have tried to run debian on an iMac and stumbled into a graphic card problem. It looks like this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1004546 and it is solved, in Ubuntu and mint live distributions, adding radeon.modeset=0 nomodeset to grub. What should I do in Debian to have the same solution permanent? |
| 20:23.39 | somiaj | francesco_: go read the copyright file, it not only says what license is attached to each piece of source code, it has a copy of the license. Read them if you want to understand more. (: |
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| 20:24.38 | somiaj | SignorD: if that fix is what is needed (I seem to think it has been changed to not be needed in jessie but not sure about wheezy) you can of course add custom boot commands. see /etc/default/grub |
| 20:24.51 | jhutchins | SignorD: Permanent changes can be made in /etc/default/grub and applied via update-grub |
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| 20:24.56 | somiaj | append it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX variable |
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| 20:25.52 | francesco_ | I will, but, anyway, some "rules" tend to be "misleading" for the "average" user, like me. :( I didn't read the DFSG licence, and I may think that, for this package (like many others), only the executable files are available. |
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| 20:26.23 | somiaj | the DFSG isn't a license, it is the guidelines debian uses to determine if a license is free or non-free |
| 20:26.48 | somiaj | non-free is anything that doesn't comply with the guidelines set forth by the DSFG |
| 20:26.56 | SignorD | somiaj, jhutchins thanks! And for the first boot, I switch to edit mode (for grub) pressing e, like in the other two distros (Ubuntu and Mint)? |
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| 20:27.22 | somiaj | SignorD: correct, if you need to enter those in manually, use grub just like any distro with grub. |
| 20:27.51 | SignorD | somiaj, thanks again :) |
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| 20:28.10 | francesco_ | Ok. Thank you for your help. :) I will try to get more information. However, is it possible to determine "easly" if a piece of software is considered "non-free" because, in that case, only the binary code is available? |
| 20:28.53 | somiaj | francesco_: not with out looking at the actualy copyright file which is why I pointed you there. |
| 20:28.59 | SignorD | I think there is the rms packet to analyze if the software you installed is free, isn't it? |
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| 20:30.32 | francesco_ | somiaj, ok. So, always look at the copyright, to get more information. Right? Thank you all for your help. |
| 20:30.51 | SignorD | Well, it shouldn't be copyright |
| 20:30.54 | SignorD | but licence |
| 20:30.59 | polyphagia | francesco_: sometimes you can find a bug report on why it's in a certain section but not usually |
| 20:31.12 | somiaj | SignorD: the copyright file is where debian stores the liecense info. |
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| 20:31.14 | polyphagia | it's best just to glance over the license |
| 20:31.29 | SignorD | somiaj ah, ok, my bad |
| 20:31.43 | polyphagia | if the source is available it's very likely that they have some non-commercial or non-redisitrutable clause |
| 20:31.46 | somiaj | SignorD: every package has a /usr/share/doc/package_name/copyright which is what I was refeing to. |
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| 20:31.59 | polyphagia | and if the source isn't available then :P |
| 20:32.00 | francesco_ | Ok. Good to know. Thank you for your help. :) |
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| 20:34.00 | somiaj | polyphagia: or you get a case like virtual box, the software required to build the free BIOS binary is closed source. So it requires non-free software to build one small part (not needed in normal builds) of the software. |
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| 20:34.44 | polyphagia | yeah that's a good point too |
| 20:35.17 | polyphagia | annoyingly some emulators were in contrib because there weren't any free roms or methods to build the roms even though the software itself didn't depend on anything nonfree |
| 20:35.25 | polyphagia | well still are even though i submitted bug reports :@ |
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| 20:37.31 | somiaj | polyphagia: contrib is free software that wont' work as expected with out non-free software |
| 20:37.53 | somiaj | so contrib passes the DSFG, it just might either install or require some non-free software |
| 20:38.14 | polyphagia | yeah but there are free roms and assemblers for the one i submitted for finally |
| 20:38.20 | polyphagia | just gotta wait for the maintainer to move it |
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| 20:38.33 | polyphagia | i guess it's fair |
| 20:39.05 | polyphagia | i'm kind of torn because it's possible for someone to make their own rom and assembler even if there are none |
| 20:39.35 | polyphagia | and then distros that strip contrib/non-free won't have them for people interested in trying |
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| 20:40.35 | somiaj | I think debian hits it nicely. Gives you the freedom to install what you want. And just seperates it for you so you know if you are installing truly free softawre. Software that may depend on non-free software or fully non-free software |
| 20:41.08 | somiaj | I rember RMS in a thread when debian was talking about ditching contrib/non-free, but I'm glad they decided to keep it around. In the end the users should ahve the freedom to use what they want. |
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| 20:42.22 | polyphagia | oh no i agree about free/non free but contrib when it doesn't technically depend on any nonfree is kind of ehh |
| 20:42.33 | polyphagia | i absolutely agree though |
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| 20:45.56 | polyphagia | somiaj: so red hat doesn't separate free/nonfree at all? |
| 20:46.14 | somiaj | not sure how they do it. Im' |
| 20:46.37 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.04 | polyphagia | yeah i don't like that approach at all |
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| 20:59.22 | kullix | question: i've searched and still cannot find an answer. On the debian installer partitioner, what do the flags mean? i know B is boot and F is format, but what is K and lowercase f? is there a site that lists all? |
| 21:00.09 | kullix | i am installing on a pc that already has Linux and an EFI partition, and it marked my EFI partition with K, which i assume is safe because its not F for format, but i want to be sure |
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| 21:08.24 | jhutchins | kullix: I think the installer uses gparted - look at the docs for that. |
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| 21:14.48 | kullix | thank you sir, i shall |
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| 21:21.04 | jhutchins | zh1: They're made to work together. |
| 21:21.19 | jhutchins | zh1: pulse is sort of a layer on top of alsa. |
| 21:21.31 | zh1 | ok |
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| 21:23.46 | acz32 | can one skip installing grub to the master boot record, and instead install it onto a portable USB drive to boot the computer from? |
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| 21:41.16 | adh0c | Hi all, I've just run a dist-upgrade on a squeeze machine bringing it up to wheezy. After upgrading the kernel and udev and rebooting, the system comes back up but the NIC appears to be completely disabled. |
| 21:41.49 | adh0c | I've doubled checked the appropriate udev rules are in place, that the config in /etc/network/interfaces has remained consistent, and ifconfig/ip shows that the card is in the UP state. |
| 21:42.01 | adh0c | I can ping the machine's own IP address but neither the gateway nor google DNS. |
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| 21:42.20 | adh0c | I've even gone so far as to switch the NIC, which was NVIDIA, to a Realtec to make sure but still no dice. |
| 21:42.30 | adh0c | I'm going a bit mad so if anyone has any advice it'd be appreciated. |
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| 21:46.17 | RoyK | adh0c: does the nic have the same name? try ifconfig -a |
| 21:48.56 | jhutchins | adh0c: Use lspci to determine the chipset, dmesg | less to see what the system does with it when it starts. |
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| 21:49.03 | jhutchins | adh0c: Probably needs just a minor tweak |
| 21:49.20 | Furai | Hey guys. Any of your is familiar with hudson? (inb4, why not Jenkins? Because no. We use hudson in our company.) |
| 21:49.31 | Furai | s/your/you/ |
| 21:49.54 | c-c | yes, updare |
| 21:49.58 | c-c | *update |
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| 21:51.49 | jhutchins | Furai: Jenkins is a more current version of hudson iirc. |
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| 21:52.39 | jhutchins | Actually I see Hudson's still active as well. |
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| 21:53.09 | adh0c | RoyK: yes, it has the same name |
| 21:53.26 | adh0c | jhutchins: i'll check dmesg now. |
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| 21:58.32 | adh0c | jhutchins: dmesg shows that it recognizes the realtek card in eth0 |
| 21:58.54 | jhutchins | adh0c: Does it want firmware? |
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| 22:01.14 | adh0c | jhutchins: dmesg doesn't suggest so. |
| 22:01.22 | adh0c | lsmod also shows the appropriate driver is already loaded. |
| 22:01.27 | jhutchins | adh0c: What's the pci id? |
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| 22:03.00 | Furai | Anyway, the problem is that for some unknown reason hudson doesn't update mercurial branch to the tip. No idea why whatsoever. |
| 22:03.05 | adh0c | jhutchins: 01:07.0 |
| 22:03.15 | adh0c | It's a Realtek RTL8139 |
| 22:03.21 | jhutchins | adh0c: Nope, eight characters. lspci -nn |
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| 22:03.47 | adh0c | 10ec:8139 |
| 22:04.03 | jhutchins | ,pciid 10ec:8139 |
| 22:04.04 | judd | [10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139 |
| 22:04.11 | andril | hello |
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| 22:04.19 | jhutchins | !rtl8139 |
| 22:04.19 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL-8139 10/100 PCI NIC uses either the 8139too or 8139cp (RTL-8139C+ series) drivers for device support in Linux, *not* ne2k-pci. See also <rtl81x9.c>. |
| 22:04.21 | adh0c | jhutchins: both those kernel modules are loaded already |
| 22:04.51 | jhutchins | adh0c: Maybe that's the problem? How are you determining that it's disabled? |
| 22:05.16 | adh0c | 'ip a s' shows the state as DOWN even after ifup'ing it. |
| 22:05.21 | adh0c | And I can't ping the gateway or 8.8.8.8 |
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| 22:05.44 | andril | i need good repos for my Debian 7.7 install (non-free, chrome and opera) any help? |
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| 22:06.08 | jhutchins | adh0c: Static IP? |
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| 22:06.22 | jhutchins | adh0c: What does ifconfig (or ifconfig -a) say? |
| 22:06.37 | jhutchins | adh0c: Is NetworkManager contending with some other config? |
| 22:07.33 | adh0c | jhutchins: this is a headless server so no NetworkManager |
| 22:07.40 | adh0c | It is static IP, yes. |
| 22:07.47 | jenskapitza | andril: https://github.com/JensKapitza/debian-apt/tree/master/apt-extras-1/etc/apt/sources.list.d (see google-talkplugin.list) |
| 22:08.12 | andril | jenskapitza, cool thanks |
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| 22:09.18 | adh0c | jhutchins: ifconfig shows the interface correctly configured with static/netmask/gateway etc, but it shows 'state UNKNOWN' |
| 22:09.38 | jenskapitza | andril: opera is not in there (don't use it); for the keys there is a setup script some folders above |
| 22:10.17 | andril | any word on the latest gnome being added or must we wait till 8 |
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| 22:15.06 | polyphagia | andril: whatever's in jessie will be what you have to live with :P |
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| 22:16.33 | jenskapitza | andril: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome |
| 22:16.34 | jenskapitza | if you need more up to date packages use sid or experimental |
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| 22:18.53 | acz32 | can't wait for 8. i'm trying not to use testing repos |
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| 22:33.14 | jhutchins | !freeze |
| 22:33.15 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Jessie was frozen on November 5, 2014. Also ask me about <slushy>, <jessie freeze>. |
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| 22:34.10 | andril | how hard will it be to upgrade from 7.7. to 8? |
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| 22:34.43 | themill | dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 22:34.44 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Consider running <tum> at this point in the release cycle. |
| 22:35.17 | somiaj | andril: a lot will depend on what packages you have installed and any customization you may have done. But under normal conditions the upgrade should work okay. Many will suggest waiting until the release notes and known issues and mroe testing has been done. |
| 22:35.39 | somiaj | and of course you should always have a backup |
| 22:35.51 | andril | wow so not surgery then |
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| 22:37.35 | somiaj | yea under normal conditions, change your sources, update and dist-upgrade and wait. It can break things and if you have third party pacakges or custom packages it is more likley to break things. But until you wait for the release notes and known issues to emerge only way is to try |
| 22:37.44 | somiaj | some will try by making a copy of their system in a vm first |
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| 22:38.55 | jhutchins | Debian upgrades have been pretty smooth the last few releases. |
| 22:39.25 | acz32 | what happens when you have packages installed from wheezy-backports and you remove that line from sources.list and replace everything with jessie (after it is released as stable?) |
| 22:39.45 | somiaj | acz32: wheezy-backports version are specifcially made to make their upgrade to jessie smooth as well. |
| 22:40.12 | somiaj | so they will get upgraded too in this process |
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| 22:40.42 | themill | jhutchins: that's not how anyone who has done it in real life would describe it. lenny->squeeze required a udev dance; squeeze->wheezy dies with lots of interesting apt errors; wheezy->jessie had interesting grues hiding in corners that we're yet to really understand too. |
| 22:40.45 | somiaj | now custom backports you have made from sid, those are another story. But if you are making custom packages you probabaly understand how to manage them. |
| 22:41.42 | somiaj | acz32: only way is to try, have backups. Use a vm first if you want to experiment in a sandbox enviroment |
| 22:41.56 | jhutchins | themill: I guess I've been fortunate, I've had a couple systems that came all the way from etch without significant glitches. |
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| 22:42.21 | themill | You've been in here long enough to have seen all these problems. |
| 22:42.26 | jhutchins | themill: On the other hand, I had one system on Lenny where I waited until wheezy to start upgrading, and that ended up with a clean install. |
| 22:42.29 | somiaj | being able to read teh release notes and prepare for the hickups helps a lot too. (: |
| 22:43.01 | jhutchins | themill: I also have a (isolated) lenny box that I'm dreading. |
| 22:43.03 | kellnola2 | is there a writeup somewhere explaining exactly what will change in Jessie with systemd? defaults? |
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| 22:44.06 | somiaj | kellnola2: I think there is a preview of the release notes and users guide. Though the release notes are probably what you are intersted in and not sure what state they are in onw. |
| 22:44.19 | somiaj | kellnola2: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes |
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| 22:45.14 | jhutchins | kellnola2: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd might have some info as well. |
| 22:45.24 | somiaj | seems the erlease notes don't state much about how to keep sysv or what to expect, they just point at the wiki |
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| 22:45.49 | somiaj | I think that is one of the things planned is to have better documentation on the systemd transition (or how to keep sysvinit if that is your choice) |
| 22:45.58 | jhutchins | If I recall from what list discussions I've seen if you upgrade it should stick with sysv. |
| 22:46.19 | somiaj | yea that wasn't the case for a while, but I belive I have seen that is what they reverted back to |
| 22:46.28 | somiaj | (though maybe gnome will pull it in or at least systemd-shim) |
| 22:46.32 | SynrGy | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system |
| 22:46.40 | somiaj | I also think they want to give you the option to install the init system of choice during the install. |
| 22:46.42 | kellnola2 | I would! systemd scares me ... replacing /etc, binary logs ... |
| 22:47.01 | ryouma | replacing etc? |
| 22:47.05 | SynrGy | somiaj: how is that "not much?" |
| 22:47.08 | jelly-home | ryouma: with cake |
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| 22:47.40 | somiaj | SynrGy: I didn't find that. I was looking at the first tyeing I foudn on systemd. / |
| 22:47.45 | somiaj | SynrGy: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#systemd |
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| 22:47.50 | SynrGy | somiaj: in other words, skimmed ;) |
| 22:48.07 | SynrGy | yeah, just a brief summary |
| 22:48.30 | somiaj | I'm just surprised it didn't link to other parts of the document adn sent ya straight to the wiki. Oh well, (: |
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| 22:48.45 | kellnola2 | ryouma, it's a goal, not there yet |
| 22:48.53 | SynrGy | somiaj: you had every opportunity to file a bug :) |
| 22:49.12 | SynrGy | somiaj: still do. this is still a draft |
| 22:49.15 | ryouma | kellnola2: so this is like windows registry or something? |
| 22:49.36 | somiaj | SynrGy: I kinda stay out of the systemd debate, its a tired horse and I know which side I'm on. (: |
| 22:49.53 | SynrGy | somiaj: nah. just editing for clarity. if you feel like you can improve the doc, go for it |
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| 22:50.36 | somiaj | SynrGy: though right now my gripe is with gtk3, I personally didn't notice much of a change using systemd with my limited user case. |
| 22:51.02 | SynrGy | nods |
| 22:51.15 | SynrGy | except for fixing obviously wrong things in my /etc/fstab, it was painless for me |
| 22:51.33 | somiaj | the change I notice is when I run /etc/init.d/service start/stop/restart it tells me it is using systemctl then works. (: |
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| 22:51.42 | SynrGy | UUID for disks no longer present in the system, etc. |
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| 22:51.57 | SynrGy | heh. yep |
| 22:52.12 | SynrGy | kellnola2: anyway, does that sufficiently answer your questions? |
| 22:53.23 | kellnola2 | yes, thank you |
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| 22:56.57 | mario__ | http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-19397270-aproape-500-politisti-locali-protesteaza-piata-constitutiei.htm |
| 22:57.12 | mario__ | how cool is this? cops protesting with anon masks?:D |
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| 23:04.26 | aphorise | how can i find whats blocking port 80 ? - I see some CLOSE_WAIT in netstat -at - just not sure how what to do about it. |
| 23:04.48 | maarioo | wireshark/tcpdump it ? |
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| 23:05.26 | maarioo | wait, you want input 80 or out? |
| 23:06.09 | aphorise | maarioo well for out as webserver |
| 23:06.23 | aphorise | ahahh sorry for input right |
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| 23:07.46 | aphorise | for some reason doing curl 127.0.0.1:80 times out whereas in fact nothing should be running on that port should refuse immediatly |
| 23:08.29 | maarioo | netstat -anlp | grep :80 |
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| 23:08.43 | maarioo | you can see if something's listening that way |
| 23:08.57 | maarioo | or maybe iptables drops everything incoming? |
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| 23:09.12 | maarioo | sudo /sbin/iptables -L |
| 23:09.35 | preyalone | Help, I can't mount my HFS+ USB drive. hfsprogs is installed. `sudo blkid /dev/sda` outputs nothing. |
| 23:09.36 | aphorise | maarioo thanks its java |
| 23:10.19 | maarioo | np |
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| 23:20.13 | movic | hi guys |
| 23:20.24 | movic | transmission-daemon[00:19:24.230] JSON parser failed in /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info/settings.json at line 70, column 5: "watch-dir: /home" |
| 23:20.28 | andril | heeeey |
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| 23:20.33 | movic | you know how to solve this? |
| 23:20.43 | movic | Is this some kind of problem with json an " mark |
| 23:20.43 | movic | ? |
| 23:21.27 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 23:21.34 | polyphagia | "watch-dir": "home" |
| 23:21.41 | polyphagia | "/home"* |
| 23:22.50 | movic | yeah, but my json file looks perfect... |
| 23:22.54 | movic | i think so |
| 23:22.55 | movic | ;) |
| 23:22.59 | movic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.59 | movic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.22 | movic | when i want to reload deamon, im getting this error |
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| 23:28.26 | ntz | hello |
| 23:29.09 | maarioo | movic, don't you have that json in another location? i've got it in my ~/.config |
| 23:29.20 | ntz | can I tell tcpdump a source network ? eg something like `tcpdump -i eth1 pseudohost 192.168.16.0/21' ? |
| 23:29.24 | maarioo | oy |
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| 23:29.57 | maarioo | man? |
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| 23:31.11 | Pixionus | So I ask this periodically and I try to check around but maybe my queries are badly worded. Anyone know of an IRC client that will sorta function as "personal cloud" application and keep the same nick open on multiple devices and os's? |
| 23:31.17 | ntz | I did `tcpdump -i eth1.10 net 192.168.16.0/21' but it doesn't show me anything which is weird |
| 23:31.31 | movic | maarioo: i have it in: /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
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| 23:35.55 | n3t | Pixionus: WeeChat has got relay feature. Check it out. |
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| 23:39.02 | Pixionus | Thanks giving it a go. |
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