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| 00:19.16 | acz32 | what's the downside to making --no-install-recommends default on my system? |
| 00:19.40 | acz32 | trying to install file-roller. 66.9mb download with recommends and 6.6mb without.. |
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| 00:25.41 | centrx | acz32, I have had that setting on consistently for several years and it has worked well. However, you need to be able to know how to recognize if something else needs to be installed to do something you want to do |
| 00:26.05 | polyphagia | >Package A recommends Package B, if the package maintainer judges that most users would not want A without also having the functionality provided by B. |
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| 00:26.40 | polyphagia | looks like file-roller specifically recommends gvfs |
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| 00:32.12 | viccuad | Guys, does Debian have a Build server from which all the .debs are generated? or do DDs make the .debs, and upload to the ftp? |
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| 00:34.49 | themill | !buildd |
| 00:34.50 | dpkg | i guess buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. http://buildd.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/buildd |
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| 00:35.08 | themill | viccuad: not _a_ server, an entire network of them to service all the different architectures |
| 00:35.35 | mtn | it's amazing how handy that wiki is :P |
| 00:35.52 | viccuad | themill: looking at the wiki, that only happens *after* a DD has uploaded a binary, and buildd compiles the .debs for other archs |
| 00:36.13 | viccuad | themill: that leaves us with a security hole, as 1 DD can upload a malicious binary |
| 00:36.16 | themill | a DD can upload the packages for one architecture and has to upload arch:all packages |
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| 00:37.08 | themill | Someone could also upload malicious source and get it built on every architecture. DD-provided .debs aren't really the weakness in the system |
| 00:37.12 | acz32 | polyphagia: it also recommends brasero for some weird reason |
| 00:37.21 | viccuad | please correct me if I'm wrong, I truly want to be incorrect |
| 00:37.53 | themill | (that said, there's work to make it entirely self-hosting and to have reproducible builds but it's not that easy to do) |
| 00:38.05 | viccuad | themill: yeah, but I can check the code. I can't decompile the DD's binary and look at it as easly. Thank god that we have reproducible builds progressing |
| 00:38.29 | themill | But you don't check the code, so that's a moot point. |
| 00:38.34 | viccuad | it's kind of weird that having buildd already, we are letting DDs upload binaries |
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| 00:39.15 | viccuad | but with buildd a developer could flag the code to be build by buildd, and buildd would take whatever is in the ftp. that is logged, and more secured |
| 00:39.31 | themill | viccuad: It's partly historical, but it's needed for bootstrapping new architectures and it's needed for fixing up toolchain problems |
| 00:39.32 | viccuad | right now we are trusting on every and each DD innecesarily |
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| 00:40.15 | themill | There are lots of reasons people are working to move away from developer provided binary packages but trust isn't really one of them |
| 00:40.36 | viccuad | I can't say that that is good news :/ |
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| 00:40.44 | viccuad | looking forward to reproducible builds |
| 00:40.54 | themill | Every DD effectively has root on your machine already. |
| 00:41.01 | viccuad | SUSE already do it in a build machine |
| 00:41.13 | viccuad | no, the code they build has root in my machine already |
| 00:41.23 | themill | which amounts to the same thing |
| 00:41.48 | themill | here, let me upload a new version of libc for you. It will be built on the buildd but you'll still trust what I uploaded. |
| 00:41.49 | viccuad | now, every DD has root because they upload binaries. If the binaries were built from the source directly, that would not happen |
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| 00:41.55 | themill | not true |
| 00:42.04 | viccuad | yeah, and I could look up the svc logs |
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| 00:42.15 | themill | no, you'd still have installed it |
| 00:42.29 | viccuad | I could look up the logs, even in other machine |
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| 00:42.35 | viccuad | even from windows |
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| 00:42.45 | themill | But you wouldn't and so it would be all over. |
| 00:42.48 | viccuad | even from amiga |
| 00:43.04 | themill | I'm not talking about what you could do but what you would do. |
| 00:43.35 | themill | You need to have a real threat model and think about how likely it is and how much effort it is worth putting into combating it. |
| 00:43.37 | viccuad | oh, so, because nobody looks up the code, we should just don't care about security? |
| 00:43.51 | viccuad | easy: 6 months of getting a DD |
| 00:43.59 | themill | good luck with that... |
| 00:44.00 | viccuad | and I have my code on the ISS |
| 00:44.17 | themill | That's not what I'm saying. You need to work on the weakest link and DD provided debs are a long way from that |
| 00:44.34 | viccuad | it's the weakest link, because you can review it at all |
| 00:44.39 | viccuad | s/can/can't |
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| 00:44.50 | themill | No it's not, because you do not actually do that review. |
| 00:45.06 | viccuad | meanwhile the other links can be reviewed, or are being engineered so they can be reviewed (eg: reproducible builds) |
| 00:45.07 | themill | Saying you could theoretically do a review but in practice you do not completely blows away your argument. |
| 00:45.14 | viccuad | no |
| 00:45.41 | viccuad | do you use a password for your mail account? |
| 00:45.48 | themill | hunter2 |
| 00:45.55 | viccuad | touche xD |
| 00:45.58 | themill | Do you check the source code for every new package you upgrade? |
| 00:46.09 | themill | Not *can* you, *do* you? |
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| 00:46.56 | viccuad | obviously not. only some of them. but I know that when reproducible builds kick in, someone wanting to put a back door in code is gonna have it more difficult, thanks that whatever is in the git repo, is what it is going in |
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| 00:47.15 | viccuad | right now, we have *another* point of failure, that other distros don't have |
| 00:47.21 | dondelelcaro | we probably will eventually throw away binary packages built by DDs in most cases |
| 00:47.30 | viccuad | and that's good |
| 00:47.34 | dondelelcaro | but there are reasons why we'll always allow binary uploads in at least some cases |
| 00:47.44 | viccuad | true, bootstrapping |
| 00:47.47 | themill | (that's what I said!) |
| 00:47.55 | viccuad | but lets not pretend that it isn't secure at all |
| 00:47.56 | dondelelcaro | yep. |
| 00:48.37 | themill | viccuad: if you're not reviewing the source code every time then reproducibility and throwing away developer provided binaries doesn't get you anywhere |
| 00:48.54 | themill | Congratulations, you can reproducibly build the exploit code! Yay! |
| 00:49.27 | viccuad | no, because the exploit code will be logged at the git repo! yay! |
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| 00:49.41 | viccuad | there will be some trace, in contrast with now |
| 00:49.48 | themill | If you haven't looked for it, you won't find it. |
| 00:50.06 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: even now there's a trace, because the DD uploaded it... |
| 00:50.20 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: and it's not like the buildd is some magick machine that can't be compromised |
| 00:50.31 | viccuad | yet its easier that a DD team catches the git commit of that exploit |
| 00:50.42 | themill | The problem is always whether someone is looking for it. If you're not looking then no amount of reproducibility or buildd-ness saves you |
| 00:51.09 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: unlikely; the one time it's happened, it made it through a review because it was specifically engineered to avoid being detected by the DD. |
| 00:51.15 | viccuad | dondelelcaro: there is no trace if you don't find the vulnerability code, because normally the vulnerabilites are searched for in the source, not in the bin |
| 00:51.56 | viccuad | dondelelcaro: also, having a build machine, you only need to secure 1 machine, instead of thousands of DDs |
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| 00:52.28 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: searching for vulnerabilities in source is pretty difficult, actually. |
| 00:52.36 | viccuad | so it isn't desirable at all to have a dedicated build machine, or a net of them? even when we are going to have reproducible builds in the future? |
| 00:52.42 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: and there's still a trace, because the compiled package wouldn't match the source |
| 00:52.52 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: and we already have a dedicated set of buildds. |
| 00:53.35 | viccuad | but not for the binary the DD uploads, that normally is the arch on which he/she is working, and normally is the most used |
| 00:53.58 | dondelelcaro | sure, but we're probably going to move to throwing those away too |
| 00:54.24 | viccuad | so, we don't care about closing holes in our distribution scheme. I wonder now why do we even take the time to sign packages and test them.. |
| 00:54.28 | dondelelcaro | our point is that while its a good security hole to fill, if you can't trust the DD who is uploading the package, you've already lost. |
| 00:55.02 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: uh... of course we care? People have been working on fixing the issues with doing precisely this for a while now. |
| 00:55.34 | viccuad | then don't say it's moot. we should trust the code, not the developer writting it or the mantainer packaging it |
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| 00:56.03 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: you have to trust them both; it's trivial to write code that reviewers won't catch |
| 00:56.23 | dondelelcaro | you'd be able to show who did it after the fact, but you can do that now. |
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| 00:57.27 | OmegaOne | is there a journalling app? |
| 00:57.56 | viccuad | dondelelcaro: I disagree. but anyway, we made out points. |
| 00:58.08 | viccuad | s/out/our |
| 00:58.29 | viccuad | OmegaOne: journalling as, diary? |
| 00:58.34 | OmegaOne | yeah |
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| 00:59.13 | dondelelcaro | OmegaOne: I personally use org-mode which is part of emacs to do that |
| 00:59.19 | dondelelcaro | s/part of/an addon for/ |
| 00:59.21 | viccuad | I used rednotebook for a while. Then went with vim and gnu.vim plugin |
| 01:00.01 | viccuad | OmegaOne: some googling: http://alternativeto.net/software/efficient-diary/?platform=linux |
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| 01:09.37 | jaggzt | How can I get rid of these lines in my KDE screen??? http://wstaw.org/m/2015/02/16/plasma-desktopS14946.png |
| 01:10.12 | jaggzt | they happen when I use KDE's "Move Window" command (It's not mapped to a shortcut by default, but I mapped it and used it). It draws a red line between the mouse cursor position and the center of the window to move |
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| 01:10.54 | ntz | ask in kde |
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| 01:38.44 | _spOOn_ | hi, wondering if someone can help me find debugging symbols for the following kernel |
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| 01:38.47 | _spOOn_ | linux-image-3.16-2-amd64 |
| 01:39.01 | _spOOn_ | if i try the meta package, it also wants to upgrade kernel |
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| 01:44.32 | _spOOn_ | nm, found it on snapshot.debian.org |
| 01:44.37 | _spOOn_ | thanks anyways |
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| 01:47.25 | smunguia | i just installed Ubuntu 14.04 on an ASUS and I loved it. The only thing I had to deal with was the graphics card, through this app: http://keyfind.us/ubuntugraphics |
| 01:47.30 | smunguia | and the fan control. |
| 01:47.44 | smunguia | once i got it working i love it. :) |
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| 01:50.20 | smunguia | it also runs really fast when the OS partition is small... |
| 01:51.05 | smunguia | and /home as a separated partition has the rest of the space. I setup swap in the middle as well. |
| 01:51.17 | smunguia | i don't think i'll ever need it...it's usually 0. |
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| 01:53.02 | naptastic | I need to enable Shorewall on boot. It doesn't have a systemd services file, and apparently chkconfig isn't on here... what do? |
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| 01:53.57 | smunguia | you can add it to rc.local |
| 01:55.24 | treund | so you answer ubuntu questions here now too? |
| 01:56.00 | dvs | treund: No, but the moderators dont seem to be here. |
| 01:57.09 | naptastic | rc.local?? |
| 01:57.25 | smunguia | /etc/rc.local |
| 01:57.28 | naptastic | Right, right |
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| 01:57.32 | smunguia | am i mixing up OS?'s |
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| 01:57.36 | naptastic | No, you're not |
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| 01:57.40 | naptastic | I just... try not to do that :) |
| 01:57.58 | smunguia | haha...well if all else fails right? |
| 01:58.02 | naptastic | Sure. |
| 01:58.06 | smunguia | there are many ways to do things |
| 01:58.08 | naptastic | Alright, I gotta reboot the whole network. BBIAF. |
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| 01:58.28 | smunguia | you can manually create the entries in your rc.d :) |
| 01:58.34 | smunguia | but who needs the work? |
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| 02:02.18 | peterrooney | smunguia: don't complain here if advice for a debian system breaks an ubuntu system. they have significant and subtle differences. |
| 02:02.37 | smunguia | haha.... |
| 02:03.09 | smunguia | i use ubuntu, debian, freebsd, fedora, centos, so i don't think it scares me. |
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| 02:20.48 | naptastic | Alright, I'm back. Shorewall did not start automatically. |
| 02:21.42 | naptastic | I don't remember what I did on my other host to get it working... |
| 02:21.51 | naptastic | I had it in rc.local at one point, but it's commented out now. |
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| 02:22.22 | treund | you probably added it to the runlevel |
| 02:22.55 | naptastic | well, I don't see a symlink there... lemme dig through my history. |
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| 02:26.27 | dvs | naptastic: update-rc.d? |
| 02:27.10 | naptastic | # grep startup /etc/default/shorewall |
| 02:27.10 | naptastic | # prevent startup with default configuration |
| 02:27.10 | naptastic | startup=1 |
| 02:27.20 | naptastic | rage rage rage, but #thereifixedit |
| 02:27.22 | naptastic | lol |
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| 02:58.47 | letmethink | hi |
| 02:58.57 | letmethink | how do i update my sources list for debian 7? |
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| 03:00.11 | dvs | letmethink: What are you running now? |
| 03:00.46 | treund | letmethink: use ..... wait for it ..... vi |
| 03:01.32 | polyphagia | what do you mean update letmethink |
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| 03:07.37 | elico | I was wondering about Buffer Bloat and Debian. was there any changes to Debian since this "thing" was discovered? |
| 03:08.35 | un214 | obviously not |
| 03:08.43 | un214 | the DSL router needs the fix |
| 03:08.49 | un214 | the upstream router needs the fix |
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| 03:09.15 | un214 | your desktop nor server can do zlich-all about it |
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| 03:09.53 | elico | un214: but I use it as a router.. |
| 03:10.27 | un214 | let's just say I've a hunch a linux router would not be affected in the first place |
| 03:11.24 | elico | I am unsure since there was a lot of chatter about it here and there while I still cannot understand what all this mess about. |
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| 03:46.15 | JuanDaugherty | i didn think anything could mess up a running ssh session but playin around with fwbuilder disabused me of that error |
| 03:46.39 | JuanDaugherty | or akshally a running epoch of sshd |
| 03:46.57 | JuanDaugherty | my bad |
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| 03:47.14 | treund_ | iptables -F |
| 03:47.14 | treund_ | iptables -Z |
| 03:47.14 | treund_ | iptables -t nat -F |
| 03:47.14 | treund_ | iptables -t nat -Z |
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| 03:47.55 | treund_ | JuanDaugherty: i risked kicking to get you those ;) |
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| 03:48.14 | JuanDaugherty | :) |
| 03:48.43 | treund_ | make a script to clear your firewall - i assume fwbuilder does iptables |
| 03:48.46 | JuanDaugherty | but you can't do nussing if yous are locked out |
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| 03:49.01 | JuanDaugherty | fortunately I hadn't done what you just said |
| 03:49.08 | JuanDaugherty | so i could just reboot |
| 03:49.20 | treund_ | ? |
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| 03:49.57 | JuanDaugherty | i meant setup an sysv init script with the fwbuilder compilation |
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| 03:51.17 | JuanDaugherty | you can just clean all chains from the command line , should be rare unless you fell into somebody's mangled hell experience of an app |
| 03:51.29 | JuanDaugherty | *clear all |
| 03:52.52 | JuanDaugherty | geez I hope he wasn't the developer, was just kidding |
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| 04:08.33 | ryouma | well ok then, i find gvfsd-metadata in my process list, man it, it's not there, look it up on google, it is filled with complaints about it and nobody knows what it does :) i think i will just ignore it for now. |
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| 05:02.34 | NineTeen67Comet | Hello all .. I know this' a Wordpress "Q" but they are silent tonight .. my recent install is giving me a 403 error when I try to open my uploads directory via the www (http://www.openlug.com/wp-content/uploads/) .. I've went so far as to 777 the directory with the same error .. help? Ideas? |
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| 05:04.05 | kj4_ | good evening all |
| 05:04.26 | NineTeen67Comet | wh-ello kj4_ |
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| 05:05.38 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, the directory is owned by www-data? |
| 05:06.29 | NineTeen67Comet | Yes'ir .. |
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| 05:06.33 | NineTeen67Comet | tuxpy |
| 05:08.27 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/apache-403-forbidden-error-and-solution/ |
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| 05:09.10 | NineTeen67Comet | thanks tuxpy_ I'll go read some more . (i've read so many sites I don't know if that's one I've seen yet or not) .. off to read up .. |
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| 05:10.14 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, the error log always illuminate you |
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| 05:10.31 | NineTeen67Comet | LOL .. requesting that as you typed ;) .. |
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| 05:12.35 | NineTeen67Comet | Looks like it might need an index.html (index.htm etc etc) .. but I just want to go directly to the directory so I can access mounted directories I add and use .htaccess files to control .. tuxpy_ .. ideas? |
| 05:12.49 | NineTeen67Comet | Cannot serve directory /var/www/openlug.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/: No matching DirectoryIndex |
| 05:14.33 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, you need to add a Option +Indexes |
| 05:15.09 | NineTeen67Comet | tuxpy_ is that for my virtalhost file? I think I'm reading it right now on another site (stackoverflow) |
| 05:16.24 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, normally this option you put on a .htaccess file or in the <Directory> or <Location> directive |
| 05:16.34 | NineTeen67Comet | tuxpy_ .. whoop! I get to go to bed now lol . it worked . |
| 05:17.03 | NineTeen67Comet | tuxpy_ I think I'll try it in my .htaccess file tomorrow (I like going that route a little better) .. thank you again .. |
| 05:17.06 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, yea |
| 05:17.53 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, I can see your directory listing from that address now |
| 05:18.39 | NineTeen67Comet | awesome .. I'm back to familar ground .. not sure when Deb/Ubuntu changed their Apache defaults, but zowie that's been kicking my ass for a while (bout a month) |
| 05:18.59 | NineTeen67Comet | Happy to be using vanilla Debian again too .. been a while .. |
| 05:19.08 | tuxpy_ | NineTeen67Comet, it's for security purposes |
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| 05:20.03 | NineTeen67Comet | Thank you much tuxpy_ .. I can understand that .. I need to get back on the web to find .htaccess examples and/or other alternatives to that (I access the directory from work, and it's got to be pretty simple or my network at work kills it) |
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| 05:33.57 | mortal | is it possible to break a debian arm installation by installing chromium from an ubuntu repo |
| 05:35.02 | tuxpy | What do you call "break" |
| 05:35.21 | mortal | glibc error |
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| 05:35.26 | mortal | it might be because of overclock too |
| 05:35.41 | tuxpy | The ubuntu repo is arm? |
| 05:35.44 | mortal | yes |
| 05:35.47 | mortal | and chromium works |
| 05:35.59 | mortal | or worked for a while but then I started getting weird errors and corruption |
| 05:37.31 | tuxpy | Yes, it is possible, because glibc depends on the kernel version |
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| 05:40.59 | tuxpy | The kernel and glibc of the ubuntu repo may not be the same as the debian repo |
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| 05:49.11 | peterrooney | mortal: the simple answer is, yes, you can bet on it. |
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| 06:13.24 | kinnera | Hey I am new to Debian , Interested in contributing to it . Can someone help me where do I find easy bugs? |
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| 06:15.11 | Epakai | https://wiki.debian.org/BugTriage is a good starting point |
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| 06:18.45 | kinnera | How do I setup my environment to start contributing |
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| 06:20.51 | Epakai | https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial provides basics for pulling source and building packages, should be enough to test bug fixes |
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| 06:34.50 | zRecursive | Between vncviewer and rdesktop, which is better to manipulate a WindowsXP ? |
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| 06:37.20 | polyphagia | i've used rdesktop before and it was pretty easy to get going with windows |
| 06:37.33 | polyphagia | if it's using rdp already |
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| 06:37.45 | polyphagia | you won't have to install VNC on windows that way |
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| 06:42.31 | zRecursive | polyphagia: yeah, i have used rdesktop too, but somebody suggest to use VNC instead. |
| 06:43.05 | polyphagia | if you're using gnu/linux on both ends |
| 06:43.18 | polyphagia | windows xp is already EOL and considered insecure anyway |
| 06:43.51 | zRecursive | i see |
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| 06:49.38 | z8z | any of you know some audio player able to play from webdav source? |
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| 06:52.22 | valdyn | i would think any player that can play http urls, so defenitely mplayer / mpv |
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| 07:00.48 | MikeSeth | someone tell me |
| 07:01.24 | MikeSeth | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIloSv-wrTOPppr6U9JL6aA <- this is a conspiracy theorist youtube channel, does that look like the Debian logo to you all? |
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| 07:02.11 | MikeSeth | (please don't try the videos if you value sanity) |
| 07:03.11 | polyphagia | yeah it is the debian logo |
| 07:03.22 | polyphagia | like for sure |
| 07:03.43 | MikeSeth | doesn't the Debian project own copyrights on that? |
| 07:03.46 | socomm | http://geek-lantern.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/dreamcast-sega-vmu-vms-geek-lantern-nostalgeek-6.jpg |
| 07:03.51 | socomm | This is a video game console. |
| 07:03.58 | socomm | Does that look like a debian logo to yall? |
| 07:04.03 | polyphagia | not really |
| 07:04.12 | polyphagia | MikeSeth: uhm i think it might be trademarked |
| 07:04.32 | polyphagia | https://www.debian.org/trademark |
| 07:04.36 | socomm | The illuminati owns the Debian logo (maybe). |
| 07:05.14 | polyphagia | so yeah he's going against it |
| 07:05.55 | polyphagia | >Do not use the Debian logos as part of your company logo or product logo or branding itself. They can be used as part of a page describing your products or services. |
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| 07:08.00 | socomm | polyphagia: How many views does the guy get? Maybe he can donate some cash to the Debian project. |
| 07:08.11 | polyphagia | don't ask me lol |
| 07:08.17 | polyphagia | i have no idea who he is |
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| 07:08.33 | polyphagia | and it doesn't look like he has any $ |
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| 07:09.09 | socomm | The man is keeping him down. :( |
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| 07:10.11 | mernilio | Hi all! :-) |
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| 07:10.35 | mernilio | And thanks for letting me in! :-) |
| 07:11.13 | hyper_ch | hi there, how can I force the installer to use U/EFI? I have 3x 4TB drive and for testing I set the installer to created encrypted LVM. However it created a biosgrub partition which is not used for EFI |
| 07:11.15 | mernilio | They are not so nice in slackaware :-/ |
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| 07:14.54 | mernilio | hyper_ch: I think you should start by doing a backup of your documents and then doing a brute force install of that software! |
| 07:15.03 | hyper_ch | mernilio: it's a fresh install |
| 07:15.11 | mernilio | oki |
| 07:15.12 | hyper_ch | but how do I force efi on stable? |
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| 07:15.36 | hyper_ch | it seems to me that it uses legacy |
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| 07:16.02 | mernilio | sorry to say, im not familiar with that software. |
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| 07:17.01 | mernilio | I wish you the best ttho! |
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| 07:19.19 | mernilio | Im a police officer here in Denmark and we have been all busy with muslim terrorism. |
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| 07:20.03 | socomm | mernilio: Time to move to a safer country. |
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| 07:20.55 | mernilio | of course not all is radicalised . i think the press wants to make it sound a lot worse than it is. |
| 07:21.22 | mernilio | socomm: what country? :-) |
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| 07:23.01 | mernilio | I do support the jews tho. with the islamic imigration in many contries. The jewish community have a hard time. |
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| 07:24.34 | mernilio | Depending of the ever lasting Israel Palastinian conflikt. Sometimes i think they should nuke that whole area! |
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| 07:25.59 | mernilio | But thats is not the official policy of the police in Denmark! I must stress that! :-) |
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| 07:29.09 | mernilio | They had a nice manifest last evening tho. 40.000 came. I was there and it was very nice! |
| 07:29.18 | bller | Morning guys |
| 07:29.33 | mernilio | hi bller |
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| 07:30.31 | mernilio | Im talking about the manifest in Copenhagen. |
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| 07:31.34 | bller | whats cooking ? :) |
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| 07:32.14 | mernilio | I was there as a police officer and keept it safe. But the people was so calm we hadnt much to do! |
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| 07:33.36 | mernilio | I think the large amount of hashish in some respekt keeps copenhagen a rather non-violent city... ;-) |
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| 07:35.31 | bller | Weed morning debate i believe heh? :)) |
| 07:35.43 | mernilio | I dont support the use of drugs, but i think people who is using it doesnt fight so much. Compared with people who drink. |
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| 07:37.24 | mernilio | bbl |
| 07:38.02 | bller | I don t support drugs as a whole concept, but if plants are considered drug and oversee the true medical nature of it, we might get into a whole `nother discussion right? |
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| 08:00.41 | MikeSeth | uh |
| 08:00.48 | MikeSeth | I would rather you not nuke me, thanks |
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| 08:41.03 | _2_brybrysweety | hey |
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| 08:57.22 | turtleding | hello. ive installed debian testing yesterday, but after the first "real" reboot i cant log in. when i do so, i become immediately logged out. how do i fix this? |
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| 08:58.29 | turtleding | i log in by the text based log in menu, so i have no DE, btw |
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| 09:00.06 | turtleding | and root is disabled, because i wanted to be able to use sudo. |
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| 09:02.57 | babilen | You can use sudo even if you have a root user, that is no problem whatsoever |
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| 09:04.12 | babilen | And testing is supported in #debian-next, you might want to work through the steps in "/msg dpkg ifrp" to enable it and change root's and your user's password. |
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| 09:06.12 | turtleding | babilen: i will try that, thx |
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| 09:07.29 | turtleding | babilen: #debian-next is an invite only channel^^ |
| 09:08.09 | shingouz | #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 09:08.21 | shingouz | .....different network.... ;) |
| 09:08.34 | turtleding | oh. thx shingouz |
| 09:08.42 | babilen | (it is on oftc with the rest of the official Debian channels) |
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| 09:12.39 | t4nk589 | Hey guys! Can anybody help me with an apache rewrite? I just want to link test.com to www.test.com but it doesn't work. i tried a few things :( |
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| 09:13.20 | Iridos | t4nk589, ask #httpd |
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| 09:14.47 | t4nk589 | yeah, I tried but I'm not allowed to post anything |
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| 09:15.14 | t4nk589 | so I thought... well it's an apache on debian - so I was like "let's give it a try" :) |
| 09:15.16 | somiaj | t4nk589: are you sure it is a virtual domain issue with your apache config and not a nameserver issue? |
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| 09:18.08 | t4nk589 | somiaj - nameserver problem? hmm what do you mean? |
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| 09:18.51 | somiaj | t4nk589: i.e. does test.com and www.test.com both resolv to the correct ip address, and the issue is apache isn't using the domain name correctly. |
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| 09:19.24 | t4nk589 | smoaij okaayy - afk - stupid... sooo stupid |
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| 09:20.44 | Iridos | t4nk589, then register your nick to freenode |
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| 09:39.16 | hyper_ch | hi there, how can I force the installer to use U/EFI? I have 3x 4TB drive and for testing I set the installer to created encrypted LVM. However it created a biosgrub partition which is not used for EFI |
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| 09:44.29 | nea1 | anyone ever had something like this? https://paste.geekify.de/pdqguxhk2/aorupk - to me this is a real smartctl WTF |
| 09:46.39 | jelly-home | nea1: what's wtf-y about it? |
| 09:47.04 | nea1 | same here https://paste.geekify.de/pclpoctpw/4gf2i7 |
| 09:47.27 | nea1 | jelly-home: well it tells me read error and then later everything is fine again o_O |
| 09:47.36 | nea1 | so is the disk noch broken or not? |
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| 09:51.58 | barmaglot | hello, i want use debian 7.8 for web server , php, nginx , apache, it`s really good idea ? |
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| 09:52.30 | barmaglot | can u advice me documentation for minimal preparing OS for web server |
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| 09:52.48 | barmaglot | apche+ php and nginx i can install someone |
| 09:52.54 | barmaglot | somebody* |
| 09:53.11 | nea1 | barmaglot: why nginx and apache? |
| 09:53.16 | barmaglot | sorry, himself |
| 09:53.34 | barmaglot | nea1: but nginx + fpm isn` reaaly good idea ? |
| 09:53.40 | barmaglot | or not ? |
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| 09:54.08 | nea1 | i've been using nginx+php-fpm now for 3-4 years without problems |
| 09:55.18 | CissWit | same here. |
| 09:57.42 | barmaglot | nea1: mm okay, can u send me article for configuring this bunch |
| 09:58.45 | nea1 | well, i used one 4 years ago, don't know which one ^^ |
| 09:58.55 | nea1 | but i can send you some parts of my config |
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| 09:59.23 | nea1 | but just install nginx + php-fpm + [some php-packages which you need] |
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| 10:11.52 | nea1 | barmaglot: https://paste.geekify.de/pm97lhtxa |
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| 10:14.23 | jelly-home | nea1: the first disk does not have any reallocations. the second one does, and it also had pending sectors |
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| 10:14.44 | jelly-home | nea1: I'd say the first disk is fine |
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| 10:15.28 | nea1 | jelly-home: yea i know - but it is kind of strange that on both disks there was an read error, and at once there gone |
| 10:16.01 | Iridos | where gone? |
| 10:18.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is there e19 and terminonlogy in jessie? |
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| 10:19.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | terminology 0.8, i e |
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| 10:19.46 | Iridos | judd, versions terminology |
| 10:19.47 | judd | Package: terminology on i386 -- jessie: 0.7.0-1; sid: 0.7.0-1 |
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| 10:27.21 | barmaglot | nea1: this configuration is all that is necessary for php fpm in production mode ? |
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| 10:28.51 | barmaglot | what about minimal system configuration for web server |
| 10:29.02 | barmaglot | can i send me good artical for this. |
| 10:29.23 | barmaglot | for instance, iptables must block all non-userable connections |
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| 10:29.51 | barmaglot | and other tasks then system administrator must do |
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| 10:32.29 | nea1 | barmaglot: well i don't really think that iptables are needed, because if the system is installed correctly (without rpcbind, and nfs-server) then you will only have a few open ports |
| 10:33.00 | nea1 | of course a firewalling system can be done as well but I wouldn't have a instruction ready for that |
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| 10:36.02 | barmaglot | i try install debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso , it`s okay ? |
| 10:36.46 | Busserl | barmaglot: yes, that iso needs internet connection during installation. |
| 10:36.50 | barmaglot | nea1: thanks a lot for previously answer |
| 10:36.59 | barmaglot | Busserl: okay thank |
| 10:37.02 | barmaglot | thanks* |
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| 10:45.50 | Busserl | barmaglot: np, firewalling is a big topic, but I'd say a minimal iptables setup, which only allows established inbound connections would be this: http://pastebin.com/M4AGuc0Y |
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| 10:49.49 | Busserl | barmaglot: sorry, I forgot some lines http://pastebin.com/cqbqstE4 You can use such a script with iptables-save and iptables-restore |
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| 11:05.05 | barmaglot | Busserl: thanks, i would use it |
| 11:05.31 | barmaglot | Busserl: are u use zsh, or another shell ? |
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| 11:07.46 | barmaglot | Busserl: for insurance, in different shell use differents startup files..,, .cshrc, .bashrc and other |
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| 11:08.29 | barmaglot | but it don`t has effect on system work |
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| 11:11.46 | Busserl | barmaglot: I am not sure actually. :) Someone could probably give you better adivce on how to execute the script on boot, I use /etc/rc.local |
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| 11:15.09 | Che-Anarc | If I wanted something executed only once in the life time of the machine - what would be a good method of doing this? I'm trying to avoid adding a script to run-time / boot level - so was wondering if there was an alternative approach |
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| 11:15.47 | Iridos | run it from the command line? |
| 11:15.49 | mortal | Che-Anarc: execution count |
| 11:15.50 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 11:16.18 | Iridos | shouldn't be too hard to do it exactly once manually :P |
| 11:16.23 | Che-Anarc | Iridos, well a bash that would be excited from shell |
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| 11:25.27 | wally1 | cd pants |
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| 11:25.43 | wally1 | apt-get install penis |
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| 11:26.32 | wally1 | rm -f penis |
| 11:26.39 | wally1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:29.44 | petn-randall | !ops wally1 |
| 11:29.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: wally1 |
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| 11:30.07 | themill | thanks, petn-randall |
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| 11:45.42 | hyper_ch | why do I get from the net inst system: No intallable kernel was found in the defined APT sources |
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| 11:59.10 | Walex | hyper_ch: because none of the define APT source repositories contained a kernel compatible with your architecture... |
| 12:00.00 | hyper_ch | which is strange.... |
| 12:00.02 | Walex | that "rm -f penis" above I did not like at all :-) |
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| 12:01.03 | Walex | hyper_ch: it can be strange indeed. Spawn a shell and look at the installed log '/var/log/syslog' |
| 12:01.31 | hyper_ch | I regot netinst and readded it to my usb stick |
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| 12:02.13 | Walex | hyper_ch: I don't know where the kernel is installed, with 'anna' or on the '/target'. But you can try 'chroot /target' and then try to 'apt-get' the kernel and see what happens |
| 12:02.49 | hyper_ch | Walex: btw, you know how to force efi mode? |
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| 12:04.36 | emorris | Hi, I'm looking for a way to allow a machine's basic network configuration to be configured through a web browser. Does anyone know of any existing tools to do this, or a better way than rolling my own and out writing interfaces files? |
| 12:04.38 | jargon | where's the global version of ~/.xsession? |
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| 12:27.38 | hyper_ch | Walex: same issue again |
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| 12:27.48 | hyper_ch | no installable kernel found |
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| 12:29.41 | Tumulte | hello |
| 12:30.26 | Tumulte | I try to use visudo to lauch a script with nopsswd (I know what I'm doing) but it doesn't work. Does it require specific chmod or chown ? |
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| 12:33.52 | hyper_ch | hmmmm, I can't install debian |
| 12:34.03 | hyper_ch | I just keep getting: no installable kernel was found... |
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| 12:34.59 | themill | hyper_ch: precisely what image are you using? |
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| 12:35.36 | Linny | Hi, i can i install debian from ISO image without burning it to DVD ? |
| 12:36.09 | hyper_ch | Linny: use unetbootin to put it onto a usb stick |
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| 12:38.32 | ArchDuke | Bleh, rebooted after an update to a grey 'empty' desktop background. Like the 3rd time this has happened to me on different debian installs, never fixed it without reinstalling =/ |
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| 12:46.11 | fraff | I can't find any (wifi) web captive portal in debian pool, which one would you recommend ? |
| 12:46.37 | sadal | Hey guys, how do I get a complete LXDE desktop without installing task-lxde-desktop. I know about 'lxde' but what are the additional packages that I need to install in order to get it working, like xorg-server etc |
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| 12:46.54 | hyper_ch | so, I tried now like 5-6 times but everytime when I want to install from netinst I get an error that no installable kernel was found |
| 12:47.15 | themill | hyper_ch: precisely what image are you using? |
| 12:47.18 | sadal | I just want to avoid the installation of stuff I don;t need, like drivers for every possible video card, which get installed with task-lxde-desktop |
| 12:47.48 | themill | Linny: don't use unetbootin to put debian images onto the usb device. Just copy the image directly onto the device. |
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| 12:53.16 | hyper_ch | another attempt, another: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." |
| 12:53.44 | themill | hyper_ch: precisely what image are you using? |
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| 12:55.08 | themill | somiaj: Have a look at the depends (and recommends) of the task-desktop and task-lxde-desktop packages. That will tell you what would be installed. |
| 12:55.17 | themill | bah |
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| 13:01.14 | andril | morning |
| 13:01.19 | sine0 | im following a guide on installing some software and there is a command line with aptitude which my system says is not found |
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| 13:01.28 | sine0 | what is aptitude compared to apt-get |
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| 13:01.48 | hyper_ch | sine0: aptitude is a different program to handle packages and dependencies |
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| 13:01.59 | sine0 | could i replace it with apt-get instead |
| 13:02.10 | hyper_ch | I tend to say yes |
| 13:02.15 | sine0 | http://blog.waja.info/2013/05/13/500-oops-vsftpd-refusing-to-run-with-writable-root-inside-chroot/ |
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| 13:06.16 | CVirus | I'm on debian stable and when I try to apt-get install libapr1-dev I get this dependency error: libapr1-dev : Depends: libapr1 (= 1.4.6-3+deb7u1) but 1.5.0-1 is to be installed ... Anyone has any clue how to fix this ? |
| 13:07.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell CVirus -about bat |
| 13:07.22 | themill | CVirus: libapr1 1.5.0-1 isn't anywhere in debian (and certainly not in wheezy). |
| 13:07.24 | babilen | judd: v libapr1 |
| 13:07.25 | judd | Package: libapr1 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.2-6+squeeze2; squeeze: 1.4.2-6+squeeze4; wheezy: 1.4.6-3+deb7u1; jessie: 1.5.1-3; sid: 1.5.1-3 |
| 13:07.41 | andril | i need help with libc i am trying to install Opera |
| 13:07.57 | andril | debian 7.7 64bit |
| 13:08.08 | babilen | CVirus: Could you paste the requested information to http://paste.debian.net please? In particular "apt-cache policy libapr1" would be of interest, but include the rest too. |
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| 13:13.10 | andril | any help? |
| 13:14.24 | fraff | andril: did you add opera sources.list ? |
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| 13:16.06 | andril | i tried but it failed just looking for the correct way |
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| 13:19.31 | andril | fraff, my sources are probably screwed up as well can you take a look? http://pastebin.com/EFrBzisL |
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| 13:21.31 | fraff | andril: why do you have some jessie-updates entries in wheezy version ? |
| 13:21.54 | fraff | andril: anyway, follow these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/Opera |
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| 13:26.11 | andril | fraff, seems to be working :) |
| 13:26.37 | hyper_ch | another attempt, another: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." |
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| 13:27.14 | fraff | andril: perfect |
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| 13:27.42 | andril | fraff, thanks do you have a good source.list to share? so maybe i can enjoy Debian the right way |
| 13:28.05 | hyper_ch | andril: debgen.simplylinux.ch |
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| 13:30.09 | netan | hi all, Is there a way to check so all file permissions are right on my system ? |
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| 13:31.00 | andril | thanks hyper_ch |
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| 13:32.12 | fraff | andril: no, all my sources.list's are using a private approx proxy server |
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| 13:32.41 | andril | understood.... :o |
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| 13:32.57 | petn-randall | netan: No, there isn't. But this sounds like an XY problem to me. What happened, and what are you trying to fix? |
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| 13:33.49 | sandman13 | netan: find / \( -type f -not -perm 0600 \) -or \( -type d -not -perm 0700 \) |
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| 13:35.06 | netan | petn-randall, I have installed a lot of stuff and want to be sure that nobody have access to my system |
| 13:35.07 | hyper_ch | WTF is wrong with the installation cds??? |
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| 13:35.35 | tlund | after "dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; apt-get update", what should I do next? I want to get the basic set of libraries, for example ld loader and libc, but "apt-get install libc6:i386" goes all crazy :) |
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| 13:35.53 | hyper_ch | can anyone tell my why I keep getting: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." ? |
| 13:36.03 | hyper_ch | I tried an old netinstall cd image that I've used before |
| 13:36.09 | hyper_ch | I tried current netinstall image |
| 13:36.17 | hyper_ch | I did now download the full installation cd 1 |
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| 13:37.12 | hyper_ch | I can install it from the live cd.... however I don't want a desktop |
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| 13:37.46 | netan | sandman13, that is a very long list, do I have to a problem? |
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| 13:38.32 | sandman13 | netan: what kind of stuffs did you download? |
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| 13:39.22 | netan | sandman13, I work as a web developer and every day I download a lot of npm packages and ruby gems |
| 13:40.14 | sandman13 | I guess apt-get autoremove --purge <insert package here> would remove package completely with configs if it's a .deb file |
| 13:40.30 | themill | hyper_ch: hello? |
| 13:41.05 | Iridos | themill, hello! |
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| 13:42.03 | netan | sandman13, are there not any kind of tool that can help me check that I don't have read permissions or executables in places that should be restricted for the outside world ? |
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| 13:42.50 | sandman13 | netan: AFAIK each of those packages are installed at some specified locations. If they aren't there then they are gone. |
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| 13:45.55 | netan | sandman13, I run sudo commands maybe 5 times a day in general, everytime my machine have root access 15 minutes, how can I know nothing happen to my system ? |
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| 13:47.18 | netan | There are a lot of articles online about user permission but I can't find ANYTHING about more general/practical security concerns |
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| 13:47.53 | netan | ..for example how to know if your system are secure ? |
| 13:47.56 | themill | Only that terminal has root access. |
| 13:48.30 | themill | (and you can configure sudo to have a shorter timeout if you want) |
| 13:48.36 | bller | morning guys, again :d |
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| 13:52.22 | netan | themill, I did not know that only that terminal window have access ! are each session sandboxed from the rest of the system ? |
| 13:52.50 | themill | sudo has a ticket system and the ticket is associated with an individual tty |
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| 13:54.36 | netan | themill, I see, so if I for example have a malicious script in my user account, that script can not access that tty ? |
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| 13:59.16 | sine0 | ok so im using wheezy and i want to update gnuTLS because of a problem with vsftpd. |
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| 13:59.57 | netan | themill, I can't understand that I first now find out about this, do you know about any guides or something that explains linux security? |
| 14:01.08 | Iridos | netan, who is the "outside world" and why are they on your system? |
| 14:01.10 | netan | all articles I find just explain file permissions and so on and that don't give you any understanding for what really going on |
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| 14:02.10 | bller | Netan, what exactly is going on |
| 14:02.20 | bller | i did not quite catch the story yet |
| 14:02.23 | Iridos | understanding of a bigger overview type is something that has to grow with time |
| 14:02.25 | netan | Iridos, for example users on a wifi network |
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| 14:03.23 | netan | bller, basically I want to understand how my system works and how I can check that I have the right permissions and so on .. |
| 14:03.43 | Iridos | netan, what about them |
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| 14:04.17 | netan | Iridos, how can I know that they can't access any private files ? |
| 14:04.25 | bller | if you re a simple user then the default permision should be 755 if i m not mistaking |
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| 14:04.44 | Iridos | netan, did you give them a user and a password to login to your machine? |
| 14:04.45 | bller | but you can use sudo to get root permission to do specific root tasks |
| 14:05.05 | netan | bller, I do a lot of webdevelopment and installing a lot of stuff all the time, |
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| 14:05.13 | bller | ok |
| 14:05.23 | bller | so you basically do sudo all the time |
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| 14:05.40 | Iridos | bller, there is no such general rule. and you become much more understandable, if you don't spew octal numbers but say things like u+rw go-rw or something on those lines |
| 14:05.40 | bller | but if by chance, anyone has access to your account, they basically have access to your machine |
| 14:06.22 | netan | bller, I guess I run maybe 10 sudo commands a day in general |
| 14:06.33 | bller | Iridos, you re right |
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| 14:07.31 | bller | but theres not much to explain on those thinks, r-read w-write and x-execute, each representing a number, so standard says that 777 permision is basically root, am i right? |
| 14:08.30 | bller | things* |
| 14:08.47 | Iridos | bller, no. 777 means a+rwx which means anyone can access that file. root can access any file anyway, but that has nothing to do with it. |
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| 14:09.53 | bller | thats also true, then security groups maybe? |
| 14:10.04 | netan | Iridos, I haven't given anybody any passwords but how knows if I downloaded for example a npm package with some malicious code. |
| 14:10.12 | netan | ? |
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| 14:11.08 | bller | i think you need to check the sourcecode by hand |
| 14:11.13 | netan | I want to be able to check so all permissions on my system are right or maybe run a checksum on the system is possible ? |
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| 14:12.11 | bller | as long as you don t chmod 777 / permissions can t be changed by anyone else sudo or root |
| 14:12.15 | bller | or owner of the file |
| 14:12.17 | Iridos | netan, if you did that and the packagage had malicious code and you installed that package as root you don't need to bother about file permissions |
| 14:12.46 | CVirus | babilen, themill: I enabled backports for sometime and probably messed up something .. Here's the complete output http://paste.debian.net/150586/ |
| 14:13.12 | CVirus | it is commented out in sources.list now |
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| 14:13.28 | Iridos | netan, that would be like giving the attacker in your house a range of loaded guns and then worry about how well you locked the kichen knife away |
| 14:13.35 | themill | CVirus: have you run an "apt-get update" since changing your sources.list? |
| 14:13.38 | netan | Iridos, good point! : ) |
| 14:13.42 | CVirus | themill, yes i did |
| 14:13.47 | themill | !not available |
| 14:13.48 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 14:13.54 | themill | CVirus: the output of ^^ would be good to see |
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| 14:14.16 | CVirus | themill, http://paste.debian.net/150587/ |
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| 14:14.36 | themill | CVirus: no, what dpkg said |
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| 14:14.43 | CVirus | oh sorry .. 1 sec |
| 14:15.10 | CVirus | themill, there you go http://paste.debian.net/150589/ |
| 14:15.12 | netan | Iridos, the question then is how can I protect my system ? can I sandbox the npm packages? or my love letters ? |
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| 14:15.59 | themill | CVirus: that's not a good look. Each of those packages comes from outside of wheezy and several of them have had some nasty CVEs recently... |
| 14:16.11 | CVirus | themill, yeah that's true :-( |
| 14:16.31 | themill | !partial downgrade |
| 14:16.32 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 14:17.30 | bller | or backup important files and reinstall distro :) |
| 14:17.36 | Iridos | netan, security is not easy... *shrug* and it's never convenient.... I guess you shouldn't worry overly until you see signs someone broke in |
| 14:18.02 | CVirus | bller, it's a staging environment so I'm not worred don't worry :-D |
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| 14:19.25 | netan | Iridos, I am not just a normal user, I want to be able to run own applications and stuff and be sure what they can access and why |
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| 14:20.58 | netan | I should need a guide or something that not only explain permissions but also tty and processes and everything else important to know |
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| 14:21.39 | makkan | mutt hangs when I press q to quit. The message displayed is "closing connection to imap.gmail.com" or similar I'm translating it from swedish |
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| 14:24.13 | Iridos | dpkg, tell netan about security tips |
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| 14:25.02 | Iridos | netan, choose a good password for your account and the root account. don't run services you don't need. only install stuff from people you feel you can trust. |
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| 14:26.21 | P-NuT | Hi all, I know that there is a port of debian for raspberry pi 2 (Raspbian), but seeing as debain supports ARM7, why would we not use it directly? |
| 14:26.53 | Iridos | why indeed |
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| 14:27.31 | Iridos | don't ask us... this is #debian, we always recommend debian over derivatives |
| 14:27.32 | nkuttler | wasn't raspbian started before debian supported arm7? |
| 14:27.40 | Iridos | yes... |
| 14:27.58 | nkuttler | P-NuT: so just use the real thing now :) |
| 14:28.05 | themill | P-NuT: you'd need to find a kernel still |
| 14:29.12 | P-NuT | Why will the default kernel not work? |
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| 14:29.32 | bller | you need arm kernel support for it to work |
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| 14:29.57 | P-NuT | But does the debian kernel not support arm7? |
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| 14:31.14 | bller | there no such thing as "default" kernel, the kernel might be compiled for different system architectures, 32 bit, 64 bit, arm, etc, so you need to run the arm one in order for it to work |
| 14:31.15 | themill | P-NuT: it doesn't support that particular pile of armv7 (There are lots of different subtypes. The RPi2's stuff is not in the mainline kernel at all) |
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| 14:31.46 | bller | if you install say 64bit intel support kernel over an arm infrastructure as raspberry pi, it would not install because of the hardwar |
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| 14:33.42 | netan | Iridos, I want to learn how unix/linux system works, not just how to use them, for example to know that each terminal belongs to a tty process is vital for understanding how sudo can be more secure then just running as a root user |
| 14:34.19 | hyper_ch | sudo more secure |
| 14:34.21 | bller | try running a LFS install |
| 14:34.41 | bller | its the best way to make a system and uderstand just about each important factor of it |
| 14:34.48 | hyper_ch | it seems all my install troubles are do to unetbootin.... :( |
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| 14:36.22 | P-NuT | Right, so Raspbian is my best bet then. |
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| 14:36.56 | bller | if you use arm7, its specially designed for it, so my guess is that yes |
| 14:37.07 | andril | is there a open as root for nautilus? |
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| 14:37.48 | themill | hyper_ch: if you'd actually answer people's questions we could have told you that about 2 hours ago... |
| 14:38.12 | netan | bller, I been looking at LFS but it is just a to big project, there must be some tutorials or something somewhere ? |
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| 14:39.40 | vamps | netan: LFS IS a tutorial |
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| 14:41.54 | netan | vamps, I been looking at it and 90% is about diffrent build tools and so on, they don't really explain how file permissions, processes, and so on protect the system |
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| 14:42.12 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 14:43.04 | vamps | maybe you would like to try selinux or apparmor |
| 14:43.48 | darxmurf | anybody could configure a 802.11AC card under debian with wpa_supplicant ? I updated all the firmwares but my card only lists 54mb as maximum speed of my AP :-/ |
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| 14:48.27 | chrisss | hello, can someone pleaseeee help me? i try since so many hours to install debian, but i cant even boot my USB-Stick. i think something´s wrong with my bios maybe |
| 14:48.29 | netan | vamps, yes I been looking at selinux and apparmor, but want to learn why and then they are necessary |
| 14:49.41 | netan | chrisss, what kind of computer do you have ? |
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| 14:50.16 | chrisss | netan: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4927#kf |
| 14:50.34 | makkan | chrisss: have you set the boot order in bios? |
| 14:50.40 | chrisss | netan: i think it could be a problem because UEFI and Legacy? |
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| 14:51.28 | bller | stupid putty connection |
| 14:51.41 | chrisss | makkan: its a bit strange, always when i change something in bios and click "save and reset", the pc restarts, i get the screen where i can click f2 for bios, and then it gets a black screen (probably another restart) and then i get this screen again |
| 14:51.45 | netan | chrisss, I can't help you, I know that my macbook can't boot from usb |
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| 14:52.13 | darxmurf | hmmm in fact no : Bit Rate=650 Mb/s |
| 14:52.23 | netan | macbook = EFI |
| 14:52.30 | darxmurf | I'm connected but the speed is not that good :/ |
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| 14:53.05 | vamps | netan: what you want is just general knowledge about unix/linux |
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| 14:53.27 | makkan | chrisss: hmm.. that does indeed sound a buy wierd. |
| 14:53.53 | makkan | chrisss: how did you get the image to the usb stick? |
| 14:53.59 | vamps | read a book about C programming on Linux |
| 14:54.20 | chrisss | makkan: right now i have this settings: usb configuration -> Legacy USB Support: "enabled", Mass storage device: "KingstonData.... [AUTO]" <<- i could change it to flobby CDROM blabla, i tried CDROM already. BOOT -> Boot Option 1: "UEFI: KingstonUSBStick". OS Type: "Legacy OS" |
| 14:54.40 | chrisss | makkan: i tried it with every windows application |
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| 14:54.59 | chrisss | makkan: xboot, unetbootin blablabla so much more |
| 14:55.43 | chrisss | makkan: what is "default Secure boot on" i can enable or disable it, should i let it disabled as default? |
| 14:55.48 | makkan | chrisss: win32 disk imager? That's the one I used. |
| 14:55.57 | ChrisH | !unetbootin |
| 14:55.58 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 14:56.28 | ChrisH | chrisss: from my memory, I needed to switch off secure boot on my Acer Laptop, preinstalled with Windows 8 |
| 14:56.36 | makkan | chrisss: I have no idea what secure boot is. But I wonder if USB legacy is needed. |
| 14:56.38 | chrisss | makkan: i tried win32 disk imager often, but always when i write a image with it, my USB Stick seems very buggy, on windows i cant even see the free space, i cant open the stick and go into the folder |
| 14:56.47 | netan | vamps, yes, but all guides I find just explain the most obvious, like how to set permissions and so on |
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| 14:57.23 | chrisss | makkan: i tried it without usb legacy too, i tried like everything. earlier i could boot it like 2 times after 100 restart and changed 1000 things |
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| 14:57.37 | DammitJim | how can one get history of cpu usage per cpu? |
| 14:57.48 | DammitJim | what software should I use for keeping track of that? |
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| 14:58.31 | vamps | netan: something like http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596009588.do |
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| 14:58.43 | makkan | chrisss: what does happen when you try to boot? |
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| 14:58.54 | chrisss | makkan: OMG i can boot it right now |
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| 14:59.25 | chrisss | makkan: but soon another problem will come, i will tell you. because when i go to install debian it tells me there is no CDROM device found |
| 14:59.26 | makkan | chrisss: you're welcome ;) |
| 14:59.30 | chrisss | makkan: maybe u could help me |
| 15:00.07 | makkan | chrisss: how old is this computre you're trying to install to? |
| 15:00.22 | chrisss | makkan: yea right now "wrong cd-rom found" |
| 15:00.31 | chrisss | makkan: its a highend laptop |
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| 15:01.17 | makkan | chrisss: I've never heard of that error. What disk image are you using? |
| 15:01.30 | chrisss | makkan: xboot |
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| 15:02.13 | makkan | chrisss: I mean what iso image. |
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| 15:02.56 | kerrirose_ | hii everybody |
| 15:03.01 | bller | hi |
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| 15:03.56 | chrisss | makkan: i selected "grub4dos iso emulation" when adding the image to xboot, and i choose "syslinux" when create the usb stick |
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| 15:04.29 | kerrirose_ | i want to ask somebody for help for wireless |
| 15:04.31 | sine0 | if setting a PASV port for a connection to a server how to allow access for local and external |
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| 15:05.05 | chrisss | makkan: https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?21744-CDRom-check-failed |
| 15:05.59 | makkan | chrisss: is you want to install debian then why are you using that image? |
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| 15:06.13 | chrisss | makkan: why not? |
| 15:06.17 | chrisss | makkan: what should i use |
| 15:06.32 | bller | Debian image/ |
| 15:06.35 | bller | thats kali |
| 15:06.45 | chrisss | kali is debian, isnt it? |
| 15:06.49 | chrisss | thought so |
| 15:06.55 | bller | debian based |
| 15:07.06 | makkan | chrisss: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 15:07.08 | chrisss | and i saw the same error with debian distro |
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| 15:07.14 | makkan | chrisss: any one of those would do |
| 15:07.37 | darxmurf | anybody is using a 802.11AC card on his system ? |
| 15:07.45 | chrisss | its not about kali or debian. the error is the same for both |
| 15:08.18 | netan | vamps, yes maybe. thanks! |
| 15:08.27 | bller | its caused by the bad image writing with unetbootin |
| 15:08.37 | bller | i had this issue too |
| 15:08.38 | chrisss | bller: this was xboot |
| 15:08.39 | KaaK | What are some good practices for internal domain names? |
| 15:08.44 | KaaK | I'm a bit conflicted between a number of possibilities for uniquely named domains. i.e. `company.local` `local.company.com` |
| 15:08.52 | chrisss | bller: what did u used instead? |
| 15:09.02 | bller | let me remember |
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| 15:09.21 | kerrirose_ | I can't start wireless card on my laptop,need help |
| 15:09.31 | bller | i think i got it to work with penlinux or unetbootin but after i formated the usb to fat32 |
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| 15:10.08 | chrisss | bller: and u got the missing cd rom device error? |
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| 15:10.57 | bller | yes, but on ubuntu images |
| 15:11.02 | bller | debian worked fine |
| 15:11.09 | bller | try using a different stick |
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| 15:11.42 | petn-randall | KaaK: .local is generally a bad idea, since that's used by zeroconf. |
| 15:11.52 | Bobby_Tables | Hi, i have a debian server (kvm) and it, after recent updates, does not start propperly. it stays att "Loading initial ramdisk ..." realy not sure what to look for. i have mounted the image and the initrd and kernel from grub exists |
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| 15:12.15 | chrisss | bller: i tried 3 different sticks |
| 15:12.19 | bller | hmm |
| 15:12.22 | petn-randall | Bobby_Tables: Remove the 'quiet' parameter in the grub command line, and check what error it throws. |
| 15:12.31 | Bobby_Tables | petn-randall: okay |
| 15:12.34 | bller | what version of debian did you get? |
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| 15:13.06 | bller | try using the 7.7 image instead of the recent 7.8 |
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| 15:13.24 | bller | also try using pendrivelinux to make the image |
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| 15:13.57 | Bobby_Tables | petn-randall: same thing. it only shows the "echo" commands in grub |
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| 15:15.01 | Bobby_Tables | petn-randall: however! the set root='(hd0,msdos1)' is abit strange to me, becues there is only ext4 on this machine |
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| 15:17.09 | JenAiEnvie | Oh Jessie please come to me |
| 15:17.55 | bller | i have a hybrid Jessie/Sid system, its not recommended but its cool and stable enough for my needs |
| 15:18.38 | bller | a cool tool you guys might know of is : http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 15:18.40 | JenAiEnvie | bller: what are your needs |
| 15:19.28 | bller | well, not really too much, i want to test out as much as i can using old and new packages and test new kernels |
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| 15:20.38 | jenskapitza | Bobby_Tables: hd0 < disk , msdos1 < partition 1 (msdos partition table) |
| 15:20.43 | kerrirose_ | i installed debian 6 mbut my laptop doesnt find wireless card,i try everything but nothing |
| 15:21.06 | bller | try using dhcpd up |
| 15:21.09 | JenAiEnvie | does Jessie works fine on ThinkPads? |
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| 15:21.59 | jenskapitza | Bobby_Tables: have you changed the initramdisk? maybe a driver is missing (nvidia chipset?) or RAID boot?? |
| 15:21.59 | jenskapitza | look for the linux ...root=... ro quiet <<< line |
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| 15:22.04 | bller | jenAiEnvie : i m using Jessie on a 1 gb RAM, atom msi netbook with no major problems |
| 15:22.21 | JenAiEnvie | :) |
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| 15:22.32 | kerrirose_ | dhhcpd up command not found |
| 15:22.35 | bller | its just sucks on graphics if its not nvidia, you might get a hard time making intel drivers work properly |
| 15:22.50 | bller | hmm, kerrirose, 2 secconds |
| 15:23.07 | kerrirose_ | (y) |
| 15:23.08 | bller | dhclient up |
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| 15:23.56 | petn-randall | kerrirose_: Debian 6 is very old. You should install at least 7 (wheezy). |
| 15:24.05 | chrisss | bller: will try, ty |
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| 15:24.26 | jenskapitza | kerrirose_: output of ifconfig -a (is there a wirelesscard?) or wich wireless card do you use? lspci output |
| 15:25.03 | bller | also check /etc/network/interfaces and tell us what you have |
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| 15:25.51 | kerrirose_ | debian 7 2:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
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| 15:26.45 | bller | i think theres a nasty firmware for broadcom wifis if i m not mistaking |
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| 15:27.16 | bller | bcm43xx |
| 15:27.45 | bller | https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 15:28.10 | ildefonso | hi people! I have this, super-simple question for all of you! |
| 15:28.25 | ildefonso | how do I make a Debian system *not* restart services while doing an upgrade? |
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| 15:28.49 | bller | it asks you, do you want to restart services while upgrading? |
| 15:28.52 | ildefonso | I want it to complete installing all updates, and only then (even if manually) I want to handle the services restart. |
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| 15:29.03 | ildefonso | bller, it doesn't. |
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| 15:29.25 | ildefonso | it just go ahead and stops (for example) apache before installing the update, then, after installing a bunch of packages, start it again. |
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| 15:29.37 | ildefonso | and so it causes a longer than necessary outage. |
| 15:29.39 | bller | then it depends on the services |
| 15:29.41 | ildefonso | the same for most services. |
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| 15:30.07 | bller | then i guess you can t do much out of sudo apt-get upgrade if you don t want service restarts |
| 15:30.19 | blastoader | I'm in search of a light-weight Debian distro ISO (not more than 500MB) with GUI included, & no CLI hassle in installing. Or, can I find similar sized Arch distro with GUI? Anybody know? Thanks. |
| 15:30.26 | ildefonso | bller, apt-get upgrade *will* restart the services. |
| 15:30.37 | ildefonso | that's precisely the problem. |
| 15:30.47 | bller | yes, you re right on this |
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| 15:31.27 | ildefonso | I read of a hack about replacing invoke-rc.d (or something like that) with a symlink to /bin/true, but I do not really like that. |
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| 15:31.49 | viccuad | blastoader: install the net-install debian iso (222 MBs) and select whatever lightweight DE you want |
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| 15:32.35 | bller | interesting topic though |
| 15:33.35 | viccuad | ildefonso: are you sure there isn't an obscure -o=option for apt-get that does exactly that? |
| 15:34.04 | ildefonso | viccuad, no, that's why I am here asking :) |
| 15:34.04 | blastoader | viccuad: Didn't understand. Does the net install support GUI itself, and are you implying that the prefered lightweight DE would then be downloaded over internet? |
| 15:34.10 | bller | there should have been something that makes the upgrade always ask what to do |
| 15:34.15 | bller | whnever upgrading |
| 15:34.20 | bller | this is how i remember |
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| 15:35.12 | bller | blastloader : so you need a debian based distro with light gui ? |
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| 15:35.33 | ildefonso | I wonder if this would work for Debian: http://askubuntu.com/questions/226227/how-to-manually-restart-services-affected-by-apt-upgrades |
| 15:35.38 | bller | then he told you to do a cli only installing the netinstall, and then install whatever vm you want |
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| 15:35.45 | bller | ex xfce4 or lxde |
| 15:35.53 | viccuad | blastoader: the net install supports GUI itself, but it is not included in the install. it shows a menu when you install it, and you select as many as you want |
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| 15:36.31 | viccuad | ildefonso: are you sure you want to update a package of a service, and don't restart it? you are going to break the package, when it reads a new file that does not correspond to the old package, when it is in execution |
| 15:36.33 | blastoader | bller: Light GUI? I don't know, I want a light distro whose ISO doesn't exceed 500MB and it has GUI prepackaged so I don't have to install all the extra stuff as in Arch. |
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| 15:37.16 | viccuad | blastoader: it has all prepackaged, you just select it on the menu. you don't need to configure as much. you aren't going to install Xserver from the beginning, etc |
| 15:37.17 | ildefonso | viccuad, that's unlikely to happen (as system actually keep old files versions, as long as it is open), however that's not my idea... I want to apply the updates, and then restart them all in parallel, reducing downtime. |
| 15:37.18 | bller | check distrowatch.org |
| 15:37.24 | jenskapitza | ildefonso: repackage the packages and remove the restart stripts or move the init.d scripts folder or chmod a-x on init.d scripts? |
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| 15:37.45 | ildefonso | sometimes system will stop a service, install a lot of upgrades, and only then start it again. |
| 15:37.58 | blastoader | I has a problem with Ubuntu based distros. The wireless card seemed to drop connections frequently. I think the newest kernel version in debian fixes that. |
| 15:38.06 | viccuad | ildefonso: but you aren't sure that the service is going to read a new file that wasn't already cached, so it is troublesome, to say the least. there's a reason why it restarts packages. |
| 15:38.15 | bller | you can do manual upgrade one by one, and do the critical updates on say apache first |
| 15:38.17 | ildefonso | actually... this is how you do it on RedHat-based distros (not that I like these very much, but...), you just run "yum update", and then you restart the services. |
| 15:38.23 | blastoader | viccuad: Ok I'll try. thank. |
| 15:38.24 | bller | then the rest that don t imply restarting issues |
| 15:38.52 | ildefonso | viccuad, I am pretty sure it will not do it, and so are RedHat people (that's why they do not automatically restart services) |
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| 15:39.22 | viccuad | ildefonso: if you want to "queue" the updates for later, you could download all the packages, and not install them, with the not install flag, and then later make an apt-get upgrade |
| 15:39.31 | ildefonso | what I currently do is fire aptitude, mark all updates, and then carefully unmark the ones that I know will restart services, apply the first updates, and then install the rest of updates. |
| 15:39.49 | ildefonso | viccuad, download is not the problem |
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| 15:39.59 | ildefonso | I mean, it will always download all packages and then install |
| 15:40.36 | ildefonso | the problem is that, while updating a particular service, for some reason (maybe dependencies), it will stop the service, install other upgrades (sometimes several of them), and then start the service again. |
| 15:40.41 | bller | yes, thats fine, but i m not sure of how do you want to upgrade something and not restart the service after to apply changes, i m sure you can do it in binary but it could be a rush |
| 15:40.52 | viccuad | ildefonso: I'm curious why you want the behaviour of not restarting the services. whay is your use case? |
| 15:41.06 | ildefonso | that's the point, I will restart the services, but after all updates are installed, thus reducing downtime. |
| 15:41.17 | viccuad | so you want to minimize the time the services are down, but don't really care if they restart |
| 15:41.38 | ildefonso | viccuad, I want to reduce downtime, from, say, 3 minutes, to less than 1 minute. |
| 15:41.51 | ildefonso | that can make the difference between having to schedule a maintenance window, or just "restarting" it. |
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| 15:42.04 | bller | is this upgrade critical ? |
| 15:42.22 | bller | if yes, you should have a upgrade window with plenty of time to do it |
| 15:42.22 | ildefonso | bller, does it matter? (for the discussion) |
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| 15:43.15 | bller | if its for a production environment, and this is critical to do, then yes, for the discussion it might matter to your managers who have to understand the proccess\ |
| 15:43.37 | bller | at least this is how i see it |
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| 15:46.52 | viccuad | ildefonso: I would argue that the Debian policy does not allow it, as said here: http://askubuntu.com/a/254299 |
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| 15:46.53 | Junka | whats the package name of the updater in wheezy |
| 15:46.54 | jelly-home | updater? |
| 15:46.54 | viccuad | updater? |
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| 15:46.55 | ildefonso | viccuad, then why, RedHat, that even include some compensation in case of business loss caused by OS failure, allows you to do this? |
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| 15:46.56 | ildefonso | saying that it is like that "by policy" is not exactly the strongest technical argument. |
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| 15:46.56 | Junka | no such package jelly-home viccuad |
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| 15:46.57 | ildefonso | most dynamic libraries are opened and never closed until the process finishes. |
| 15:46.57 | bller | Junka ? |
| 15:46.57 | viccuad | I don't know, and maybe their way is a sane one |
| 15:46.57 | bller | what updater are you talking about? |
| 15:47.05 | Junka | bller: there is a graphical package updater |
| 15:47.11 | bller | synaptic? |
| 15:47.13 | ildefonso | and you can verify that by installing a library update (that more often than not doesn't trigger a restart of services using it), and then running lsof -n : you will see the deleted files there |
| 15:47.17 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell ildefonso about policy-rc.d |
| 15:47.19 | Junka | no that one |
| 15:47.25 | viccuad | Junka: aptitude? |
| 15:47.33 | Junka | no |
| 15:48.02 | bller | gdebi ? |
| 15:48.03 | jenskapitza | ildefonso: whats with apt-get --downlaod-only and extract it with dpkg -x |
| 15:48.06 | Junka | in gnome it notifies you about updates |
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| 15:48.21 | bller | gnome notifier |
| 15:48.30 | ildefonso | jelly-home, thanks!, that will suit. |
| 15:48.31 | jelly-home | Junka: there's apper for kde, in jessie. I have no idea what's the gnome counterpart called. |
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| 15:48.51 | viccuad | ildefonso: you are somewhat true, but if Debian considers that a package's functionality is not required to work until the postinst has finished successfully, then , we shouldn't be positive in finding that behaviour on apt |
| 15:49.06 | bller | Junka, try gnome-pannel |
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| 15:49.14 | bller | Junka, try gnome-panel sorry |
| 15:49.22 | Junka | jelly-home: when i drag it to a terminal i get a name of 'gpk-updater-viwer' |
| 15:49.27 | Junka | bller: stop trolling |
| 15:49.47 | jenskapitza | ildefonso: this should avoid the postinstall. scripts (you need to handle it later manually) |
| 15:49.56 | Junka | viewer* but there is no such package |
| 15:49.59 | bller | i m not trolling, im trying to be of somewhat help |
| 15:50.04 | jelly-home | Junka: well, dpkg -S gpk-updater-viwer might find an executable that's called that way |
| 15:50.06 | bller | nevermind |
| 15:50.22 | jelly-home | if that's the actual name |
| 15:50.51 | Junka | gpk-update-viewer* |
| 15:51.09 | Junka | well i am not in that system atm |
| 15:51.25 | jelly-home | I'm not in your system either! :-) |
| 15:51.29 | ildefonso | viccuad, that puts the responsibility on the package maintainer, who may think that the package *has to* be restarted, and it may be true (after all, if you don't restart, you keep using the old version), but if you *know*, as an experienced sysadmin, that you have to restart it after updating it, well, you should be given the option to do it... which is what policy-rc.d allows to do. |
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| 15:52.21 | viccuad | ildefonso: you are true. seems like a reasonable fix :) |
| 15:52.33 | jelly-home | Junka: you can search the contents of packages at http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:53.12 | Junka | jelly-home: that requires to know the name of tha package |
| 15:53.17 | viccuad | does policy-rc.d exist on jessie, with systemd? |
| 15:53.32 | jelly-home | Junka: no it doesn't, search the CONTENTS |
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| 15:54.22 | jelly-home | Junka: there are two forms on the page, the lower one is for contents |
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| 15:54.58 | jelly-home | Junka: put in your keyword, pick the correct Distribution, and search |
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| 15:55.38 | Junka | jelly-home: correct thanks |
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| 15:59.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps when i try to change the passwd for a local user or even adduser i get this error from passwd, passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
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| 16:00.50 | atari314 | Hello, is it possible to pin a package so it is totally ignored by apt-get? |
| 16:01.07 | centrx | atari314, What do you mean "totally ignored"? |
| 16:01.46 | atari314 | centrx, I want to remove it (which I can do forcing using dpkg), but apt-get -f install / autoremove wants to remove a lot of stuff |
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| 16:02.31 | centrx | atari314, What happens when you do: dpkg --purge <package name> |
| 16:02.47 | atari314 | centrx, it wants to remove a lot of packages that ¨depend¨ on it |
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| 16:03.12 | centrx | atari314, Yes, those packages require that package. What's your goal? To break the other packages without uninstalling them? |
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| 16:03.53 | atari314 | centrx, to remove it and let the other packages there at my own risk |
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| 16:05.44 | centrx | atari314, That's what force-removing it with dpkg will do |
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| 16:06.10 | centrx | atari314, If apt-get install subsequently wants to remove other things (which I somehow doubt), that's the way it is |
| 16:06.41 | atari314 | centrx, so, there´s no way to make a global ¨ignore these packages¨? |
| 16:07.28 | centrx | "hold back" is probably most similar to what you are thinking of |
| 16:07.28 | ildefonso | atari314, you could trick it into believing it is installed... I think you could do that with equivis (or something like that). |
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| 16:08.05 | atari314 | centrx, can hold be set for something and then purge it? |
| 16:08.10 | atari314 | ildefonso, nice idea |
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| 16:09.02 | ildefonso | *equivs <-- this is the correct package name. |
| 16:09.11 | ildefonso | atari314, |
| 16:09.17 | atari314 | tks ildefonso :) |
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| 16:10.26 | atari314 | ¨As a small aside, aptitude/apt-get hold <pkg> is terrific if you just want to keep a package at a pre-horkage level, but for some obcure reason you can't "hold" a package that isn't installed.¨ well, guess equivs is the way then, tks guys |
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| 16:12.08 | miko__ | Hi, I want to drop privileges with seccomp. However, not even write works afterwards. I don't see why the following gets killed: http://pastebin.ca/2931001 |
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| 16:16.15 | miko__ | Hi, I want to drop privileges with seccomp. However, not even write works afterwards. I don't see why the following gets killed: http://pastebin.ca/2931001 |
| 16:16.50 | miko__ | Oh, sorry, wrong channel |
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| 16:17.20 | todd__ | Hi, I host a ppa with some useful packages. Some of the packages are perl programs that use perl modules with an XS component. I would like the ppa to support multiple versions of perl (5.12, 5.14, 5.18). These versions of perl are not binary compatible, thus, I have to have a different versions of the XS modules, for each perl version. How can I make the perl program Require the perl module in such a way as to select the appropriate |
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| 16:19.11 | bazhang | ppa for debian todd__ ? |
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| 16:19.27 | todd__ | Yes a ppa of .deb packages |
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| 16:20.16 | bazhang | how exactly do you add those ppa todd__ |
| 16:20.47 | todd__ | a user subscribes to the ppa by modifying /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<ppa name> |
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| 16:21.04 | bazhang | and the gpg? |
| 16:21.22 | todd__ | yeah you have to add the gpg key |
| 16:21.46 | jelly-home | todd__: you a) got cut off at "in such a way as to select the appropriate " b) ppa's only build stuff for ubuntu platform releases, and c) given a release there's only one relevant version of perl to build against... so what's the problem? |
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| 16:22.19 | todd__ | rest of question : "How can I make the perl program Require the perl module in such a way as to select the appropriate XS package?" |
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| 16:22.50 | jelly-home | the answer is you don't. Build separately for each distro release |
| 16:23.08 | todd__ | ahh, so a different ppa URL for each distro release |
| 16:24.11 | todd__ | that makes sense, thanks |
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| 16:34.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a way to get a verbose on what the passwd command is doing for a user passwd change? i can change root and i can login via another user, |
| 16:34.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | but my git user is messed up, |
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| 16:36.07 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: you can strace it, but seeing as it's a setuid executable you need to run that as root |
| 16:37.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | i see its changin /etc/passwd- and then it goes bad, |
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| 16:37.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i removed it manually from /etc/passwd- and /etc/passwd |
| 16:37.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there anywhere else i should look for my user? |
| 16:38.09 | jelly-home | what do you mean by "it goes bad"? |
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| 16:38.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah and /etc/shadow |
| 16:38.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dunnno thats why i want to see what passwd is doing |
| 16:39.01 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 16:39.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:39.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know its touching /etc/shdaow- and /etc/passwd- i see the git user in there once i get the above error and cancel out |
| 16:39.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to trouble shoot passwd |
| 16:39.53 | jelly-home | why are you doing that in the first place? |
| 16:40.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/UCfT |
| 16:40.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | that error i cant make my git user or another user i can change passwd on my local user and root, |
| 16:40.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | login etc, |
| 16:41.22 | chrissss | Hello, i have a problem with the partition installing linux. i want to install it beside my win7. i recized my windows partition from 1tb to 700gb, so now i have 300gb free space. but when i want to install linux and click "select the largest free space" it will select my whole HDD, it says 1tb... |
| 16:41.55 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: do you have other databases for users set up apart from passwd/shadow files? Pastebin your /etc/nsswitch.conf and output of "strace getent passwd git" |
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| 16:42.29 | andril | Eryn_1983_FL, what part of FL? |
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| 16:43.25 | Iridos | my first suspicion would be that / is mounted r/o, though |
| 16:44.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | indeed windbind |
| 16:44.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | Olrnado |
| 16:44.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried that Iridos |
| 16:44.55 | chrissss | nobody can help me? :/ |
| 16:45.00 | ctmjr | chrissss: you need to tell the installer to install to the partition you want |
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| 16:45.13 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: get winbind out of the picture first, see if there's a change |
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| 16:45.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | .... |
| 16:45.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok proxmox is a @$E@#%!@#%!@#%$ |
| 16:45.52 | jelly-home | is pretty samba-clueless |
| 16:46.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | its cool jelly i am samba LEET |
| 16:46.04 | chrissss | ctmjr: 300gb is free space, can i create a partition with the installer? |
| 16:46.07 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: also, proxmox is not debian |
| 16:46.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | but it was the host, |
| 16:46.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | i remout the / rw and it worked.. |
| 16:46.26 | jelly-home | lel |
| 16:46.29 | jelly-home | !win Iridos |
| 16:46.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, Iridos! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:46.40 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 16:46.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
| 16:46.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | it didnt work |
| 16:46.54 | jelly-home | !lose Eryn_1983_FL |
| 16:46.54 | dpkg | Eryn_1983_FL: You Lose. |
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| 16:47.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 16:47.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i would ccomplain to the proxmox people but they only want money if i want support |
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| 16:47.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | they dont take fresh kittens and compliments :) |
| 16:48.07 | andril | cool i was just up there, I am in Pembroke Pines :) |
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| 16:48.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am rebooting the host |
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| 16:49.04 | petn-randall | chrissss: Which release are you trying to install, where did you get the image from, which medium did you use to install and how did you prepare it? |
| 16:49.18 | Iridos | also, have you switched on the computer? |
| 16:49.40 | chrissss | petn-randall: kali linux, the newest version, im installing from an usb stick |
| 16:49.41 | jelly-home | power cable plugged into the wall? |
| 16:49.51 | petn-randall | chrissss: Then ask in #kali |
| 16:49.53 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 16:49.54 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:50.04 | petn-randall | chrissss: #kali-linux, sorry. |
| 16:50.05 | chrissss | petn-randall: prepared with unetbootin |
| 16:50.05 | SAKUJ0 | hey sry if this question is stupid but i am a bit new to this. a few days ago i was running my custom LSB scripts. it worked with http://pastebin.com/EdSvkB5U a few days ago. Now I outsourced NAS-related daemons to another machine and I get an error message trying to launch the init scripts :( |
| 16:50.18 | SAKUJ0 | service: Unit sabnzbd.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
| 16:50.27 | chrissss | ok, np |
| 16:51.07 | SAKUJ0 | i've heard daemon handling got changed or something? |
| 16:51.12 | SAKUJ0 | not to upstart but to systemd? |
| 16:51.18 | SAKUJ0 | system is jessie |
| 16:52.33 | Iridos | yes |
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| 16:55.40 | Walex | SAKUJ0: you can install any 'init' system you want. Some 'init' systems are better supported than others. |
| 16:55.58 | SAKUJ0 | so did it get changed? |
| 16:56.15 | SAKUJ0 | i am a bit confused, just 3 days ago i set up everything and now there is this whole systemd that i know nothing about -.- |
| 16:56.40 | Walex | SAKUJ0: that sounds like trolling, the 'systemd' issue was debated at excruciating length |
| 16:56.41 | SAKUJ0 | i suppose that "init system" uses the same scripts in /etc/init.d and i just have to learn it 30 minutes? |
| 16:57.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | i learned systemd in 30 minutes. |
| 16:57.15 | jhutchins | SAKUJ0: The init system will not have changed since you installed the system. |
| 16:57.16 | Walex | SAKUJ0: most 'init' systems used a different format, but most can also use SysV init scripts |
| 16:57.20 | SAKUJ0 | i am not trolling -.- |
| 16:57.27 | SAKUJ0 | sec |
| 16:57.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | i found it much easier to learn than any other init system. |
| 16:57.32 | SAKUJ0 | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DRy6qAh4U9NIIQ9-5z5SacFXG1_wgTxqPgHp0SWj7qs/edit#gid=0 |
| 16:57.39 | SAKUJ0 | here is step by step every single command i put in |
| 16:58.00 | SAKUJ0 | i noticed this time around there are things like cups installed and avahi-daemon by default |
| 16:58.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | i still don't like what's going on with systemd, but "it's hard" is not a reasonable objection imho. |
| 16:58.08 | SAKUJ0 | might it be that my prior installation was "more minimal"? |
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| 16:59.52 | jhutchins | SAKUJ0: The error message says that the system is not finding a systemd target for that service. If it's set up in the init scripts, you might have to call the init script directly as in /etc/init.d/sabnzbd start |
| 17:00.08 | SAKUJ0 | i did that it yields the same error message |
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| 17:00.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | cool andril |
| 17:00.24 | jelly-home | SAKUJ0: ls -ld /etc/init.d/sabnzbd |
| 17:00.37 | SAKUJ0 | but it puts a [....] Starting sabnzbd (via systemctl): sabnzbd.serviceFailed to start sabnzbd in front |
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| 17:00.50 | SAKUJ0 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2396 Feb 15 19:28 /etc/init.d/sabnzbd |
| 17:01.19 | SAKUJ0 | as every other script there and as the scripts go on the other system (old) |
| 17:01.37 | jelly-home | SAKUJ0: do you have output of the update-rc.d command? |
| 17:01.58 | SAKUJ0 | sudo update-rc.d sabnzbd defaults ? |
| 17:02.02 | SAKUJ0 | nothing |
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| 17:02.08 | SAKUJ0 | on removal and setting to default |
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| 17:02.31 | SAKUJ0 | that is what i first thoguht, i thought necessary scripts would be generated once i update-rc.d |
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| 17:02.49 | jelly-home | SAKUJ0: hm. Oh well, you can try what jhutchins suggested. |
| 17:03.05 | SAKUJ0 | first things first, i REALLY want to know why the systems are different and what is different |
| 17:03.10 | SAKUJ0 | say |
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| 17:03.16 | SAKUJ0 | i service mysql status |
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| 17:03.28 | tiopekda | hi |
| 17:03.30 | SAKUJ0 | the old system gives [info] MySQL is stopped.. |
| 17:03.33 | Walex | SAKUJ0: it is a long story, you need to read a lot of paper in favour and against |
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| 17:03.48 | SAKUJ0 | whereas the new system gives LOTS of lines |
| 17:03.59 | jelly-home | you're running jessie. It's different. |
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| 17:04.02 | SAKUJ0 | Walex, I don't mind dealing with this for 10 hours |
| 17:04.05 | SAKUJ0 | it's both jessie jelly-home |
| 17:04.14 | SAKUJ0 | and both have been installed the last 48 hrs |
| 17:04.46 | jelly-home | SAKUJ0: well, you did something different that resulted in one using sysvinit and the other systemd as init system. |
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| 17:04.49 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 17:04.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 17:05.03 | SAKUJ0 | thanks, that is all i wanted to know jelly-home - ive never heard of sysvinit |
| 17:05.30 | papperman | there are still over 1500 critical bugs in Jessie |
| 17:05.45 | SAKUJ0 | the only things i remember having done differently is tasksel laptop, as the second is a laptop and ive built kodi from its source on the old one |
| 17:05.53 | jelly-home | !tell papperman about richihwwjr |
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| 17:06.13 | whatnick | hi |
| 17:06.18 | whatnick | how do i check folders permissions? |
| 17:06.21 | Iridos | richihwwjr???? |
| 17:06.35 | whatnick | how do i check folders permissions? |
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| 17:06.43 | centrx | Didn't you just say that |
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| 17:06.54 | whatnick | any idea? |
| 17:07.01 | jhutchins | whatnick: ls -ld |
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| 17:07.25 | jelly-home | Iridos: we'll have to revoke your question mark privileges if you keep doing that |
| 17:07.26 | whatnick | jhutchins i mean like 666, 777 |
| 17:07.34 | whatnick | it says drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 17 05:27 . |
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| 17:07.54 | whatnick | how do i know what number the folder has as permissions? |
| 17:07.59 | Iridos | jelly-home, they're irrevocable. They've been granted by the queen |
| 17:08.03 | SAKUJ0 | maybe one last thing, should the upgrade from systemvinit to systemd mean that scripts are downward compatible - meaning what i experienced is either a bug or some fuck-up on my part? |
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| 17:08.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | whatnick: http://permissions-calculator.org/ |
| 17:08.29 | whatnick | tell me? |
| 17:08.33 | jelly-home | whatnick: "stat ." |
| 17:08.36 | whatnick | please |
| 17:09.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | whatnick: that website will help you encode/decode numerical permissions. |
| 17:09.11 | whatnick | jelly-home nothing just |
| 17:09.22 | whatnick | Device: 801h/2049dInode: 2752742 Links: 2 |
| 17:09.26 | whatnick | Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 17:09.42 | jelly-home | whatnick: look carefully at the line starting with "Access: " |
| 17:10.12 | whatnick | jelly-home: there are 2 |
| 17:10.13 | whatnick | Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 17:10.13 | whatnick | Access: 2015-02-17 05:28:05.221247947 +0100 |
| 17:10.27 | jelly-home | whatnick: the one with the permissions. |
| 17:10.32 | centrx | I wonder if the date is some way of representing the permissions !!!?!?!? |
| 17:10.42 | whatnick | jelly-home: 0755 = chmod 755? |
| 17:10.42 | SAKUJ0 | i really don't get it the old system and the new system put out the same thing for aptitude search systemd | grep "i A" - meaning the old system should have had systemd, too. i suppose the question is,t hen, why did the old system have systemvinit |
| 17:10.46 | whatnick | yes or no? |
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| 17:10.56 | centrx | /ignore |
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| 17:11.03 | jelly-home | whatnick: indeed |
| 17:11.11 | whatnick | jelly-home: no? |
| 17:11.16 | c-c | whatnick use pastie.org |
| 17:11.21 | centrx | whatnick, use your brain |
| 17:11.22 | whatnick | c-c why? |
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| 17:11.33 | Iridos | it's also written as "drwxr-xr-x" for people who don't like to read octal %-| |
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| 17:14.07 | SAKUJ0 | well thanks for the little help (and for the accusations) |
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| 17:15.55 | tiopekda | i have problem with debian. when i boot debian i get "CLEANING UP TEMPORARY FILES..." and it IS DOING that SEVERAL MINUTES. MICROSOFT WINDOWS never does that. windows > debian. how to stop that problem ? |
| 17:16.06 | tiopekda | it happens every time |
| 17:16.23 | tiopekda | the longer debian was running, the longer it takes on boot |
| 17:16.34 | tiopekda | even windows 95 does not do that |
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| 17:16.49 | fraff | tiopekda: move back to windows 95 then |
| 17:16.52 | Iridos | seems easiest solution would be to use windows 95 |
| 17:16.55 | Iridos | heh |
| 17:17.02 | jhutchins | tiopekda: Windows is a completely different operating system and has nothing to do with how Debian runs. |
| 17:17.11 | fraff | haha, beer time here, bye |
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| 17:17.32 | Iridos | !next |
| 17:17.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:18.08 | spal | is there any scenario where having "main contrib" but not "non-free" in sources.list makes sense? I believe it doesn't because "contrib" packages have dependencies on "non-free" packages. |
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| 17:19.02 | jelly-home | fails |
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| 17:19.32 | Iridos | spal, indeed.... maybe there's some obscure case where it does make sense ... like you have the non-free stuff installed from the manufactrer in /opt or /usr/local outside the packaging system (but then I wonder about dependencies) |
| 17:19.40 | tiopekda | jhutchins i dont care about underlying mechaninsms of system. im USER. what i care is i have to wait several minutes to boot crap debian, thats not normal |
| 17:19.40 | papperman | people may provide their own workarounds for missing evilwarez |
| 17:19.58 | mtn | tiopekda: not normal for me on my machine |
| 17:20.11 | tiopekda | mtn because you shutdown and boot system EVERY DAY |
| 17:20.19 | tiopekda | try running it for few weeks and then restart |
| 17:20.21 | mtn | tiopekda: nope, very seldom |
| 17:20.28 | jhutchins | tiopekda: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/83/Preventing_/tmp_from_being_cleaned_on_reboot |
| 17:20.31 | c-c | tiopekda: booting debian takes seconds |
| 17:20.43 | tuxpy | tiopekda, are you considered that the portion of the disk where tmp resides is failing? |
| 17:20.44 | tiopekda | c-c it takes minutes |
| 17:20.58 | tiopekda | tuxpy failing? |
| 17:21.03 | jhutchins | tiopekda: It's possible that it's actually hanging o the step after cleaning temporary files. |
| 17:21.09 | jhutchins | tiopekda: Is there heavy disk activity? |
| 17:21.12 | c-c | tiopekda: I think you want to use hardware made after then 80's by this point |
| 17:21.15 | tuxpy | tiopekda, physical error |
| 17:21.22 | spal | thank you Iridos, papperman |
| 17:21.23 | tiopekda | jhutchins yes there is disk activity |
| 17:21.25 | papperman | I rebpot several times a day, and it goes decently fast each time |
| 17:21.30 | jhutchins | tiopekda: Yes, do you have smartmontools installed? |
| 17:21.42 | tiopekda | jhutchins i dont know |
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| 17:21.52 | c-c | tiopekda: I think if your boot takes minutes, you have something delaying the loading of login manager |
| 17:21.57 | jhutchins | tiopekda: Is there some process that's dumping a lot of files to /tmp? |
| 17:22.00 | jelly-home | tiopekda: which image did you install debian from? |
| 17:22.07 | tiopekda | jhutchins propably yes |
| 17:22.17 | tiopekda | jhutchins if i disable /tmp delete my hdd will grow very fast |
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| 17:22.31 | tiopekda | jelly-home not sure, how to check |
| 17:22.34 | c-c | I get from button push to login manager in about 10 seconds |
| 17:22.42 | aphorise | Is there a greater delay with passive agent? - I have a "Local area" discovery rule set to: 192.168.0.0/16 & delay to 30 secs but 20 minutes on I still dont see the new host. |
| 17:22.58 | tiopekda | c-c my boot takes minutes on "Cleaning up temporary files..." |
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| 17:23.03 | jelly-home | tiopekda: I can't answer that. Only you know how you installed the system |
| 17:23.15 | tiopekda | jelly-home its Whonix |
| 17:23.22 | jelly-home | tiopekda: what is whonix? |
| 17:23.30 | jhutchins | !based on debian |
| 17:23.30 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:23.31 | tiopekda | there is tor and arm (tor-monitor) running |
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| 17:23.41 | tiopekda | jhutchins it is debian |
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| 17:23.50 | jhutchins | tiopekda: Is it debian or whonix? |
| 17:24.02 | tiopekda | just because i take debian, change its name, and install single software, does not make it my own OS |
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| 17:24.21 | tiopekda | they did not make Cleaning up temporary files. its debian functionality |
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| 17:24.31 | tiopekda | jhutchins both |
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| 17:24.53 | mtn | heh |
| 17:25.00 | jhutchins | !whonix |
| 17:25.01 | dpkg | Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:25.07 | jelly-home | tiopekda: the sad truth is, that extra configuration and software is often what makes derivatives more buggy than debian. Ask the people who made your distro, please. |
| 17:25.13 | bazhang | tiopekda, whats the weblink for this |
| 17:25.16 | tiopekda | jhutchins SEE? its says DEBIAN |
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| 17:25.38 | jhutchins | tiopekda: It is not supported here. |
| 17:25.44 | bazhang | hilariounix |
| 17:25.50 | jelly-home | tiopekda: please ask #whonix on OFTC network. Next question! |
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| 17:27.54 | c-c | Is there an easy way to make a debian install conf? ie. keymaps, hostnames, etc? |
| 17:28.22 | jelly-home | !preseed |
| 17:28.23 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 17:28.24 | Walex | c-c: "easy" no, pre-seeded confs are always pretty subtle to configure |
| 17:29.05 | c-c | I wanted a headless conf and I accidentally hit enter while KDE was selected... 8..( |
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| 17:30.06 | jhutchins | !remove kde |
| 17:30.06 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 17:30.51 | c-c | yeah I wondered about that for about 3.6 seconds, but decided there would be evil KDE dependency package rot-dirt hiding after... |
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| 17:31.59 | papperman | a problem is that some people don't want kde, but still want some qt-based apps on which kde depends, Then it is necessary to mark all those as manually selected |
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| 17:32.33 | c-c | papperman: I need this to test if install scripts make desktop right |
| 17:32.50 | c-c | theory is, any 'dirt' makes debyggin diff |
| 17:32.51 | jelly-home | yeah, since it's a fresh install might as well do it again |
| 17:32.55 | jelly-home | you might take the whole currect debconf database as preseed but there will be a lot of cruft there as well |
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| 17:33.02 | c-c | yeah, took about 4 minutes to restart |
| 17:33.08 | spal | why is it that in sources.list for security, the updates are in wheezy/updates ( http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/ ) instead of just wheezy? Why the additional subdirectory called 'updates' here? |
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| 17:35.05 | jelly-home | spal: because! (also, once upon a very long time ago it might have helped serving both security and regular mirror from the same server) |
| 17:35.18 | SAKUJ0 | where does debian now put config files for the systemd scriptd? i have seen that arch uses /etc/conf.d. i used to use /etc/default. which one would be the best practice now? |
| 17:35.36 | jelly-home | SAKUJ0: ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:35.39 | c-c | So, jessie netinstall took about 8 minutes in a vm. |
| 17:35.49 | jelly-home | SAKUJ0: they will know more about jessie and systemd |
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| 17:36.29 | SAKUJ0 | #debian-next is for non-stable support? |
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| 17:36.52 | jelly-home | SAKUJ0: it's for testing and unstable, yes |
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| 17:37.01 | SAKUJ0 | thanks, my apologies then |
| 17:37.11 | c-c | Is there a simple path from a VBox Jessie netinstall image to putting it in a real physical machine? |
| 17:37.22 | c-c | Or should just focus on pre-seed and tasksel etc? |
| 17:38.26 | papperman | m #ratpoison quit ratpoison in order to start a recompiled version |
| 17:38.41 | papperman | oops typo |
| 17:38.58 | spal | is it true that aptitude is recommended over apt-get for installing packages? |
| 17:39.24 | papperman | depends on what you want to do |
| 17:39.46 | c-c | apt-get is i char less! |
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| 17:40.12 | c-c | lol *1 |
| 17:40.33 | spal | papperman: I want to upgrade my system regularly, install packages as I need them and remove packages when I realize I don't need them. I would want all dependencies that are no longer required to be removed as well. |
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| 17:40.40 | jelly-home | c-c: that's probably why they made an "apt" command |
| 17:41.16 | c-c | who? |
| 17:41.26 | jelly-home | "they" |
| 17:42.03 | c-c | does it work well |
| 17:42.17 | jelly-home | dunno, you have jessie installed, you tell me |
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| 17:43.27 | c-c | I have it on wheezy-squeezy too |
| 17:44.27 | c-c | installs, but it doesn't work |
| 17:44.29 | papperman | aptitude is run interactively, and it easily explores the consequences and alternatives of a planned action. Apt-get can be run from a script. |
| 17:44.31 | foormea | hi. i want to disable networking in normal runlevel on a debian box, but activate it when i enter runlevel 3. should i simply disable networking from rcS and enable it in rc3 ? i use no network drives or such |
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| 17:48.03 | spal | papperman: why can't aptitude be run from a script? Both aptitude and apt-get support the -y option which can be used in scripts. |
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| 17:50.21 | spal | which one do you use to install, update and remove packages: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 17:50.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | i use apt-get |
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| 17:51.17 | jelly-home | foormea: local services might misbehave if loopback device isn't configured. I'd probably just remove the "auto" lines for other interfaces and bring them up when needed |
| 17:51.30 | ayin | what about aptitude |
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| 17:51.34 | centrx | spal, apt-get and aptitude behavior should be the same if aptitude is not used in interactive mode |
| 17:51.37 | jelly-home | foormea: (/etc/network/interfaces) |
| 17:51.54 | foormea | jelly-home: that sounds smart |
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| 17:52.02 | Mchammerdad84 | . |
| 17:52.16 | Mchammerdad84 | anyone have any experience with fax machines or fax protocols? |
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| 17:52.54 | foormea | jelly-home: i'd have to invoke ifup with a script that's executed when entering runlevel 3 though |
| 17:53.09 | jelly-home | yes |
| 17:53.52 | foormea | using... rc.local? lookign at the file now |
| 17:54.18 | jelly-home | more like a custom init script only enabled in runlevel 3 |
| 17:54.59 | foormea | how can i do that? copy the format of rc.local, make it a rc.bringifup, copy/modify related init.d scripts and invoke that service in runlevel 3/ |
| 17:55.01 | foormea | ? |
| 17:56.03 | jelly-home | foormea: grab a copy of /etc/init.d/skeleton, cut out 90% of crap, and enable it with update-rc.d or manually |
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| 17:56.27 | foormea | jelly-home: thanks for the tip! |
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| 18:00.33 | spal | is it okay if I use apt-get to install, update and remove packages and my distribution? is it a bad idea to mix usage of apt-get and aptitude on the same system? |
| 18:01.08 | jelly-home | spal: it's okay. |
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| 18:01.12 | jelly-home | !why aptitude |
| 18:01.13 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 18:01.17 | jelly-home | !why not aptitude |
| 18:01.17 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 18:01.35 | spal | thanks |
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| 18:02.16 | jelly-home | I use both, prefering aptitude unless older systems or something fishy is going on |
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| 18:03.27 | spal | thanks jelly-home |
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| 18:04.48 | SAKUJ0 | as a matter of fact it turned out systemd makes things a lot easier for me |
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| 18:07.59 | ayin | apt-get is better? |
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| 18:10.00 | Kobaz | anyone know how to get xcalib (or something similar to control color levels) to work on a multi-monitor setup with randr |
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| 18:10.31 | Kobaz | it worked for nvidia drivers that does xinerama, which i guess does something special to make individual screens monkeyable |
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| 18:11.30 | foormea | jelly-home: thanks a lot for yoru direction earlier. instead of using skeleton, i used rc.local as a base. just had to tweak a bit, add a stop section. seems to work just fine and that took just a few minutes to set up |
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| 18:16.07 | ayin | in apt-get better or aptitude? |
| 18:16.16 | ayin | is apt-get better or aptitude? |
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| 18:16.39 | mtn | ayin: neither are "better" |
| 18:17.31 | ayin | why |
| 18:19.09 | mtn | ayin: because they aren't |
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| 18:20.19 | ayin | how to @you |
| 18:20.21 | mtn | ayin: private messages are considered rude. keep it here in the channel. |
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| 18:23.01 | ayin | sorry,i am new hand |
| 18:23.26 | Kobaz | ayin: they accomplish different goals |
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| 18:25.31 | ayin | The result is not the same? |
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| 18:26.59 | Kobaz | the result depends on how you use it.. they both install and uninstall packages |
| 18:27.16 | Kobaz | aptitude is more of a gui-visual approach |
| 18:27.21 | Kobaz | apt-get is pure cli |
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| 18:28.22 | jhutchins | aptitude does more thorough dependency resolution. That can be good or bad depending on what you're doing. |
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| 18:29.13 | Busserl | ayin: don't mix them to avoid rare problems, because they use different solvers for dependencies I think, and you can look at only one log instead of two. |
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| 18:30.05 | ayin | i only use apt-get |
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| 18:33.14 | ayin | i am from china,so my English is so bad! |
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| 18:41.06 | ayin | thank you!!! |
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| 18:48.02 | rapha | Hi! |
| 18:48.10 | Mousey | hi |
| 18:48.12 | rapha | Can somebody help me resolve "libgl1-mesa-dev : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx (= 10.3.2-1) but 10.4.2-2 is to be installed"? |
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| 18:48.33 | Mousey | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-glx=10.3.2-1 |
| 18:48.34 | Mousey | GO |
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| 18:52.18 | rapha | Mousey: that gives me: "libgl1-mesa-glx : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 10.3.2-1) but 10.4.2-2 is to be installed" |
| 18:52.33 | rapha | Mousey: (there's a whole chain of these) |
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| 18:53.49 | centrx | rapha, What does your sources.list look like? Are you using third-party repositories or different Debian versions on the same system? |
| 18:53.52 | Mousey | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-glx=10.3.2-1 libglapi-mesa=10.3.2-1 |
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| 18:54.25 | Mousey | you'll see a pattern if you keep this up, ultimately, satisfy all its complaints, it'll probably install fine |
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| 18:54.46 | Mousey | otherwise, you'll come to a dependency you -cannot- solv, and there is the root of your problem |
| 18:55.16 | centrx | Mousey, You're assuming he has that version of the package in his lib and that other installed packages do not already depend on mesa version 10.4.2 |
| 18:55.21 | centrx | *in his sources |
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| 18:55.31 | towo` | i would oracle, there is at minimum one mesa-package installed from unstable |
| 18:55.40 | Mousey | centrx: many assumptions are being made. what if he just hasn't run apt-get update in a while? |
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| 18:56.18 | blocky | on jessie, wondering why removing libreoffice asks to get 140mb of packages |
| 18:56.31 | centrx | Mousey, Right, that's why it can be better to ask questions of the questioner |
| 18:56.41 | Mousey | meh, it'll come out in the wash |
| 18:56.50 | centrx | loads up the Tide |
| 18:56.54 | Mousey | lol |
| 18:57.08 | rapha | centrx: yes, i did use pretty wild combinations of repositories in the past but they're since all been commented out and it's only "jessie main contrib non-free" now and from security it's "jessie/updates main". |
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| 18:57.32 | centrx | rapha, Okay, did you run apt-get update? |
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| 18:57.51 | centrx | rapha, You may also have these wild combinations installed on your system still, even though the repositories are no longer listed |
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| 18:58.11 | Mousey | rapha: rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists ; mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ; apt-get update |
| 18:58.25 | Mousey | goes afk |
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| 18:58.40 | askwhy | i getting wired connection issue with VirtualBox-4.3.22 |
| 18:58.41 | rapha | centrx: yes, i did run apt-get update after removing the other sourcres. |
| 18:58.42 | askwhy | my wired connection are losing |
| 18:58.44 | askwhy | every 10 min |
| 18:58.46 | askwhy | why? |
| 18:58.47 | centrx | I wouldn't run that |
| 18:58.49 | centrx | should be lists/* |
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| 18:59.48 | centrx | rapha, Okay you may want to uninstall libgl1-mesa-glx version 10.4.2-2 |
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| 18:59.54 | rapha | centrx: i modified it and am running it now. looks like it will take a minute or two. |
| 18:59.56 | centrx | and other such mesa packages with that version |
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| 19:00.10 | centrx | 10.4.2-2 is the version in sid/unstable |
| 19:00.22 | rapha | centrx: is there a way to determine "other such" or will this be a rinse-and-repeat process (which is fine)? |
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| 19:01.18 | centrx | I don't think there is an easy automated way to uninstall all non-Debian packages and/or all wrong-version Debian packages |
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| 19:02.36 | rapha | centrx: okay, thanks, i'll try my luck then! |
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| 19:04.13 | ayin | i use weechat |
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| 19:07.09 | askwhy | why are my wired connection losing? |
| 19:07.11 | askwhy | every 10 min |
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| 19:10.14 | centrx | askwhy, Check that you are using the right driver and have the latest version of it? |
| 19:10.19 | centrx | Driver for your NIC |
| 19:11.05 | rainfyre | askwhy: also, if you want specific help, you'll have to give people a little more to go on. |
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| 20:00.06 | acz32 | why isn't obapps in the debian repos? |
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| 20:04.43 | babilen | acz32: Try searching for "obapps debian" on Google and read the first link to the bts |
| 20:04.58 | babilen | (in short: because nobody packaged it) |
| 20:05.12 | centrx | acz32, obconf is available |
| 20:05.35 | acz32 | i found the bug tracking link. it's been on wishlist since 2011 |
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| 20:32.36 | acz32 | anyone know why my theme might apply to almost all applications except geany? |
| 20:32.49 | acz32 | it has gtk-2.0 and gtk-3.0 directories |
| 20:33.01 | polyphagia | do other gtk2 apps work with it? |
| 20:33.19 | acz32 | yes |
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| 20:34.21 | acz32 | i think, actually. i don't know how to tell if an application is 2 or 3, but the theme works on other programs |
| 20:35.23 | polyphagia | check lxappearance |
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| 20:35.34 | polyphagia | it's a small gtk2 app for changing gtk2 themes |
| 20:35.56 | polyphagia | no crazy dependencies or anything |
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| 20:39.02 | acz32 | lxappearance changed it, but it just looks.. off. maybe i need to install a font or something? https://i.imgur.com/wE0HQt9.png |
| 20:39.30 | DANtheBEASTman | if I copy .debs into /var/cache/apt/archives and assuming they're the same version as what's in the repos, have apt skip the downloading of those debs? |
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| 20:40.04 | smw | DANtheBEASTman, it should skip it if it is already there |
| 20:40.49 | DANtheBEASTman | Aziroshin: you're likely missing a gtk theme engine |
| 20:41.00 | DANtheBEASTman | oops, acz32 ^ |
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| 20:41.46 | acz32 | DANtheBEASTman: thanks. like what? so i can install one |
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| 20:42.44 | DANtheBEASTman | acz32: probably something like gtk2-engines-murrine |
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| 20:42.59 | DANtheBEASTman | but there's many, idk what theme you're using |
| 20:43.30 | DANtheBEASTman | acz32: do i correctly assuming you're rebuilding crunchbang on vanilla debian? |
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| 20:43.46 | ildefonso | DANtheBEASTman, yes, you can even copy that directory from one server to another, and aptitude will not download the files that are already there. |
| 20:43.57 | acz32 | DANtheBEASTman: yes :) |
| 20:44.10 | DANtheBEASTman | ildefonso: awesome, exactly what I was hoping for |
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| 20:55.19 | ashkan_ | hello |
| 20:55.41 | ashkan_ | I'm running a debian with gui on a pc with a usb keyboard |
| 20:55.44 | ashkan_ | and no mouse |
| 20:55.59 | ashkan_ | I pretty can do nothing |
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| 20:56.22 | episage | what do u want to do? |
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| 20:56.35 | ashkan_ | any shortcuts / keys for getting a konsole appreciated |
| 20:56.58 | mtn | ashkan_: does alt+F2 work? |
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| 20:57.08 | ashkan_ | Aye :D |
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| 20:57.33 | Dancus | install xbindkeys and configure it |
| 20:57.45 | DANtheBEASTman | ashkan_: if you don't have a mouse available, look into either mousekeys (which lets you move your cursor around with the number pad) or a more keyboard-centric window manager. i use a tiling window manager and I make use of my entire OS withotu touching a mouse |
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| 20:59.28 | DANtheBEASTman | but then I don't use KDE or any DE and few graphical applications except for firefox+vimperator and I can still select links with that, even without a mouse |
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| 21:01.32 | ashkan_ | DANtheBEASTman: ssh is more than enough for me |
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| 21:02.15 | turtleding | hello. is it possible, to immunize the login field of an display/login manager like slim? so that i can only write in the password field? |
| 21:02.39 | ashkan_ | I'm soon to make a rpi kindle laptop and give it a go ! |
| 21:02.58 | srg | Not sure how to do that, but you could just get rid of the login manager entirely. Login from console, then `startx` |
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| 21:03.10 | srg | Not srue what problem you're trying to solve |
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| 21:04.37 | turtleding | srg: thats what im actually doing. i have the habit, that if my pw input fails, i start instandly to type it again (in the user name login field) => my password is visible |
| 21:04.40 | DANtheBEASTman | srg: you can even do something like if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ] && [ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ] ; then; startx; fi in ~/.bash_login |
| 21:05.11 | srg | turtleding: Ah! I see your dilemma |
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| 21:06.02 | ashkan_ | DANtheBEASTman: btw u may want to use tmux if you already not :D |
| 21:06.26 | DANtheBEASTman | ashkan_: I absolutely love tmux |
| 21:06.40 | turtleding | srg: one possible solution couĺd be to install gdm3, because there the login field is non editable. but that solution isnt my favorite, so i want to find another^^ |
| 21:08.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | tmux would be really epic if it supported pointing devices. |
| 21:08.56 | srg | Who uses pointing devices? :-P |
| 21:08.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | tmuxcurses :) |
| 21:09.16 | DANtheBEASTman | NoImNotNineVolt: tmux as mouse support |
| 21:09.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you could resize panes with the mouse instead of fumbling between them and remembering arcane key bindings... |
| 21:09.49 | vamps | NoImNotNineVolt: simply use a tile WM like i3 |
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| 21:10.02 | DANtheBEASTman | NoImNotNineVolt: you can totally do that |
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| 21:10.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | vamps: that works at a console? |
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| 21:10.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | DANtheBEASTman: apparently not the one that comes with ubuntu, as far as i can tell. |
| 21:10.42 | DANtheBEASTman | NoImNotNineVolt: tmux set -g mouse-resize-pane on |
| 21:10.54 | DANtheBEASTman | remove the tmux word and put it in your tmux.conf |
| 21:10.57 | vamps | NoImNotNineVolt: it's a WM so you need X |
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| 21:11.52 | DANtheBEASTman | if you're running in a tty or something i'm quite sure it supports gpm |
| 21:12.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | vamps: so that's not exactly like tmux+curses then :P |
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| 21:12.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm thinking textmode. so i can ssh in and still have textmode "windows", ala tmux. |
| 21:13.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | DANtheBEASTman: that's pretty awesome! why isn't that enabled by default?! |
| 21:13.53 | MikeSeth | https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/2w8hr3/youtube_vaxxer_false_flag_nwo_charlie_hebdosandy/ |
| 21:13.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there also a mouse-select-pane? |
| 21:14.03 | MikeSeth | ^ conspiracy theorist stole Debian logos |
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| 21:15.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | vaxxer? is that a derogatory term for people who subscribe to the teachings of modern medicine and believe in things like innoculation, herd immunity, etc.? |
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| 21:15.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | 's head asplodes |
| 21:15.28 | DANtheBEASTman | NoImNotNineVolt: no idea. there's a few mouse options tmux supports. `man tmux` |
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| 21:15.35 | MikeSeth | NoImNotNineVolt: I probably should have phrased it "anti-vaxxer" |
| 21:15.44 | DANtheBEASTman | select pane and select window among them, yes |
| 21:15.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | DANtheBEASTman: will do, thanks. |
| 21:15.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | MikeSeth: thank you ;) |
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| 21:16.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | is about to go all-tmux all-the-time :P |
| 21:16.13 | MikeSeth | I am in tmux right now |
| 21:16.47 | DANtheBEASTman | if you're fond of tmux, look into tpm and the tmux plugins on https://github.com/tmux-plugins |
| 21:16.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | i usually run tmux in screen |
| 21:17.04 | srg | I run tmux inside tmux on a regular basis |
| 21:17.05 | DANtheBEASTman | NoImNotNineVolt: ew why would you do that |
| 21:17.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | why wouldn't i? |
| 21:17.21 | polyphagia | MikeSeth: it is a violation |
| 21:17.23 | srg | tmux on my laptop, then ssh into my server and attach to tmux there. |
| 21:17.34 | srg | Only once did I tmux inside tmux inside tmux. |
| 21:17.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | because for most of my screens, i don't need tmux. then in one, i have a tmux :) |
| 21:17.36 | DANtheBEASTman | i just don't understand what benefit that would provide you NoImNotNineVolt |
| 21:17.36 | srg | It was....fun. |
| 21:18.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm much more familiar with screen. so i get to use all my screen familiarity on all the non-tmux screens. |
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| 21:18.22 | polyphagia | doesn't tmux have a screen key map |
| 21:18.25 | MikeSeth | polyphagia: I looked at the trademark page and the logo page, it seems the logo images themselves are LGPL and the trademark goes to the name, not to the logo |
| 21:18.28 | MikeSeth | am I wrong? |
| 21:18.38 | polyphagia | https://www.debian.org/trademark#policy |
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| 21:18.45 | polyphagia | idunno MikeSeth they have information on the logo here |
| 21:18.50 | polyphagia | >Do not use the Debian logos as part of your company logo or product logo or branding itself. They can be used as part of a page describing your products or services. |
| 21:19.02 | polyphagia | but he's not a company |
| 21:19.08 | DANtheBEASTman | srg: i have a tmuxinator session that has a nested tmux session. it's kinda neat if you have vim in an upper pane, and then below it a nested session, where you can run tests and the like with panes and windows that you can toggle. makes for quite an IDE |
| 21:19.30 | polyphagia | >This policy encompasses all marks, in word and logo form, collectively referred to as "Debian trademarks". |
| 21:19.59 | MikeSeth | good point |
| 21:20.18 | MikeSeth | so I should report it to the debian project then? |
| 21:20.59 | polyphagia | maybe |
| 21:21.04 | polyphagia | there's a legal mailing list MikeSeth |
| 21:21.09 | polyphagia | you can try sending it there |
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| 21:22.23 | MikeSeth | will do |
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| 21:27.38 | marcules | hi there |
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| 21:29.57 | nea1 | is there a way to push multiple IPs via DHCP? |
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| 21:35.30 | p8m | nea1: set the client to ask for multiple IPs? |
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| 21:37.59 | nea1 | if one has no direct control over the client |
| 21:38.26 | karkhaz | Is it normal for debian to build a package _multiple times_ when building from source? |
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| 21:38.47 | karkhaz | I'm trying to build glibc (plus a few patches of mine) on Debian |
| 21:39.09 | karkhaz | so I downloaded the source package, applied the patches, and then did `debian/rules binary' |
| 21:39.26 | karkhaz | but it seems to be building glibc several times, for many different architectures. And it's taking forever =( |
| 21:39.37 | karkhaz | Following the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial#Building_the_modified_package |
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| 21:40.04 | karkhaz | I just want to build a glibc that I can install on my system (with architecture i386) |
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| 21:41.06 | ildefonso | karkhaz, yes, I think so... it also build with and without debug symbols. |
| 21:41.55 | karkhaz | ildefonso: thanks. Is there no way to disable this? Build just for one arch, and with symbols stripped? |
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| 21:42.08 | p8m | nea1: What are you asking? Does the client have multiple nics? Or one nic with multiple virtual interfaces? |
| 21:42.22 | ildefonso | I know there is, but I do not remember off the top of my head. |
| 21:42.30 | nea1 | p8m one nic |
| 21:42.44 | karkhaz | OK thanks, I'll have a more thorough look around. |
| 21:43.25 | ildefonso | karkhaz, dpkg-buildpackage is what I use, and I remember it has an option, I just don't remember right now. |
| 21:44.05 | nea1 | because if i add an second one it will try to send packages from the first interface using the ip of the second because it is in the same network |
| 21:44.24 | karkhaz | Ah okay. So instead of following that page, I should follow this one: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
| 21:44.31 | karkhaz | which instructs to use dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 21:44.41 | karkhaz | but instead, I will use this option that you describe |
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| 21:48.35 | karkhaz | ildefonso: I suppose I'll try -B --target-arch i386 --host-arch i386. The man page is a bit confusing. |
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| 21:56.58 | LordDeath | about the difference between "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade": is it possible (and does it happen often) that available security updates will be installed only with a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:57.23 | dondelelcaro | LordDeath: generally no. |
| 21:57.44 | dondelelcaro | LordDeath: however, it's possible in some rare cases for things like iceweasel. |
| 21:58.24 | dondelelcaro | (generally, that means that we can't backport the actual security fix because upstream doesn't support versions for long term) |
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| 21:59.12 | LordDeath | how relevant is dist-upgrade during a stable release? |
| 21:59.12 | otto_ | hi. After an update, I can't mount automatically any USB/SD/etc device |
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| 21:59.29 | otto_ | Not authorized to perform operation |
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| 21:59.56 | otto_ | from what I've searched, I have to be in plugdev group and I already am |
| 22:00.29 | c-c | LordDeath: you need to do homework now, what is dist-upgrade |
| 22:00.30 | OSVG | Have you restarted after update? |
| 22:00.33 | rainfyre | LordDeath: i've never run dist-upgrade when i've been on stable |
| 22:00.38 | otto_ | OSVG, yes, many times |
| 22:00.44 | c-c | LordDeath: you have wrong questions |
| 22:00.53 | c-c | wrong statements |
| 22:00.57 | otto_ | OSVG, could it be related to /etc/fstab? |
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| 22:01.36 | LordDeath | c-c: afair dist-upgrade will upgrade packages even when it means removing/adding other dependencies |
| 22:01.45 | OSVG | otto_: fstab is really only meant for bootup operations, so I doubt it, but yes. You're sure that permissions for the device are set correctly? |
| 22:01.45 | c-c | do. your. homework. |
| 22:02.03 | otto_ | OSVG, my fstab: http://pastebin.com/W3uXYJ1D |
| 22:02.09 | otto_ | OSVG, how do I check that? |
| 22:02.31 | otto_ | I can only mount as root using terminal. Nautilus won't work |
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| 22:04.52 | otto_ | ........... |
| 22:04.58 | OSVG | otto_: I'm not 100% sure. |
| 22:05.06 | OSVG | I'm not sure I 100% understand the situation either. |
| 22:05.15 | OSVG | I thought you were trying to mount a USB drive after bootup. |
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| 22:05.21 | OSVG | But you wouldn't be mounting that as root. |
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| 22:05.40 | c-c | LordDeath: you keep parroting the wrong idea |
| 22:05.55 | c-c | otto_: it is a known Gnome bug |
| 22:06.00 | otto_ | OSVG, I only wanted to say I'm able to mount as root. But I can't mount as an ordinary user anymore |
| 22:06.06 | c-c | otto_: what is the distro/version? |
| 22:06.16 | otto_ | c-c, since when? This happened after an update |
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| 22:06.16 | OSVG | otto_: Ah, that makes more sense. |
| 22:06.24 | c-c | otto_: since 2014 |
| 22:06.28 | otto_ | c-c, jessie |
| 22:06.35 | c-c | otto_: nautilus, right? |
| 22:06.39 | otto_ | nautilus, yes |
| 22:07.21 | c-c | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/64867/mounting-external-drive-does-not-work-anymore |
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| 22:08.24 | otto_ | c-c, I don't have that entry in my fstab. Here it is: http://pastebin.com/W3uXYJ1D |
| 22:08.31 | otto_ | the /media/usb0 |
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| 22:09.00 | karkhaz | So using --host-arch and --target arch doesn't seem to be working for me. dpkg-buildpackage builds for i386-libc, and then for i386-xen |
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| 22:09.31 | karkhaz | Then I killed it. I passed i386 as an option to both --{host,target}-arch |
| 22:09.42 | karkhaz | But I'd just like it to build for my exact arch, whatever that is |
| 22:09.56 | karkhaz | Additionally, the man page states that my arch is the default that it builds for |
| 22:10.05 | karkhaz | So I'm not sure why it's having this behaviour |
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| 22:11.08 | MacGalempsy_ | hello can someone help me open the xorg.conf in mousepad with root? |
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| 22:12.40 | c-c | MacGalempsy_: are you sure you want to edit it? |
| 22:13.00 | petn-randall | !xy |
| 22:13.00 | dpkg | People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 22:13.02 | MacGalempsy_ | trying to add in a section for this touchscreen monitor |
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| 22:13.22 | otto_ | c-c, do you have any suggestion? |
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| 22:14.00 | c-c | otto_: well it seems its a nautilus/gnome bug, just google hard |
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| 22:14.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell MacGalempsy_ -about xorg.conf.d |
| 22:14.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell MacGalempsy_ -about empty xorg.conf |
| 22:15.14 | acz32 | is there any way to display a list of installed packages and which repository they were installed from? |
| 22:15.40 | babilen | MacGalempsy_: Also use "gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/THEFILE" to execute "mousepad" as root. |
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| 22:16.01 | c-c | acz32: short version: dpkg -l |
| 22:16.14 | c-c | acz32: long version: man dpkg 8) |
| 22:17.04 | acz32 | that short version doesn't list the repo |
| 22:18.09 | vamps | acz32: maybe /var/lib/apt/lists/[repo]_Packages |
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| 22:18.54 | valentt | I have one easy question regarding *.domain.com certificates - will I get per domain domain.key files or with *.domain.com.cert file all are covered? |
| 22:19.25 | vamps | acz32: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10220/listing-packages-in-debian-a-la-dpkg-l-but-including-the-package-origin-sou |
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| 22:21.19 | acz32 | vamps: thanks |
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| 22:21.26 | acz32 | i guess dpkg can't do it |
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| 22:22.16 | crippledmonk | hello all. just installed RC1 and it works well with my thinkpad t60 |
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| 22:24.20 | teraflops | vamps: the question is not easy because yo didnt tell from where are you getting the certificates and if there are free ones, selfsigned ones or paid ones |
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| 22:25.14 | teraflops | valentt:* |
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| 22:29.42 | valentt | It is payed Comodo wildcard cert |
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| 22:31.36 | valentt | Cert is organisation cert not only domain cert |
| 22:31.37 | c-c | acz32: use apt-cache showpkg for the distro |
| 22:31.48 | valentt | teraflops, does this help? |
| 22:31.59 | c-c | acz32: the versions field |
| 22:32.59 | teraflops | valentt: one cert one key |
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| 22:33.52 | acz32 | c-c: the versions field is just listing the version, not the source |
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| 22:34.35 | valentt | I got only STAR.domain.com.cert and Comodo intermediate certs in zip file, there is no .key file... |
| 22:34.35 | c-c | the second field is the source |
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| 22:35.14 | c-c | acz32: f.ex. 278-4 (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
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| 22:37.18 | acz32 | weird. mine doesn't show all that https://i.imgur.com/FMpx9dT.png |
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| 22:43.17 | teraflops | valentt: they have good support and a good knowledgebase |
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| 22:43.57 | acz32 | c-c: i just found that synaptic can sort by origin |
| 22:43.59 | ildefonso | valentt, did you create the signing request? |
| 22:44.23 | ildefonso | if you did, the .key file is wherever you created that request. |
| 22:44.55 | ildefonso | btw, that's private, never, ever, disclose it. |
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| 22:48.59 | valentt | ildefonso, thanks |
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| 22:51.42 | c-c | cannot unmount a device |
| 22:51.53 | c-c | how to find out what is writing? |
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| 22:52.31 | c-c | ah, nm it just took a couple of seconds |
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| 22:56.36 | MacGalempsy_ | guys, used this line apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 22:56.49 | MacGalempsy_ | and it is setting up |
| 22:57.26 | MacGalempsy_ | but then I try to do ./configure and it says no such file or directory |
| 22:57.46 | MacGalempsy_ | any ideas? |
| 22:58.50 | vamps | MacGalempsy_: which software ? |
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| 22:59.13 | MacGalempsy_ | debian |
| 22:59.21 | MacGalempsy_ | looking to do touchcal |
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| 23:00.50 | MacGalempsy_ | this is the link http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/ELO_touchscreen_setup_%28debian/KDE%29 |
| 23:01.07 | MacGalempsy_ | I got down to "Then extract Touchcal and compile |
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| 23:18.20 | acz32 | does anyone know how to have synaptic display the quick filter search box in the toolbar instead of search button that pops up a window to search? |
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| 23:58.06 | introom | hi. when use 'aptitude search', I got the result prefixed with 'pi'. like this: "pi mtr-tiny" |
| 23:58.20 | introom | I thought p means package and i means installed. But turns out it's not installed. |
| 23:58.24 | introom | so what does the 'i' mean? |
