IRC log for #debian on 20150218

00:00.19centrxintroom, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-July/006993.html
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00:00.40polyphagiaintroom: the i means installed
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00:00.47centrxintroom, So it's installed, but marked for purging, but the purging has not yet been done
00:00.48polyphagia> i, meaning that the package is installed
00:01.19introompurging... shocked.
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00:02.24introomcentrx: so if 'marked as pi', the executable will not be found?
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00:03.01n3t"The first character of each line indicates the current state of the package".
00:03.17n3t"The second character indicates the stored action".
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00:03.29n3tFrom `man aptitude`, under "search".
00:03.44centrxThat's the opposite of dpkg then
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00:04.20n3tSo, "pi" means that the package will be installed.
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00:09.07introomn3t: I got it.
00:09.32introomso the 'i' is the stored application. When will the 'stored action' be triggered? under what circumstance?
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00:12.27n3tintroom: `aptitude install` without any additional arguments, I guess.
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00:12.40duckeySo I have windows 8.1, but I want Debian and when I boot up, no bios options. And I refuse to boot from vbox. I have an HP from Bestbuy that comes pre-installed with this bullshit on here. I need some help. Anyone?
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00:13.09n3tintroom: the manpage says: 'as a special case, “install” with no arguments will act on any stored/pending actions'.
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00:13.32introomthnx. I get you see it from the 'aptitude install' section.
00:13.32centrxduckey, You have to find the key combination to get in, and then I would disable UEFI/"SecureBoot"
00:14.35duckeyI have not yet seen if it autoboots from CD-ROM
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00:14.57n3tintroom: I did use '/' (slash), typed "action" and searched for a while. Useful method for finding such info.
00:15.02duckeyHow can I remove secure boot? Inside win enviorment?
00:15.07centrxIn the BIOS
00:15.26duckeycentrx, No f12 or f2 options
00:15.27vampsduckey: try F10
00:15.27centrxFind the key combination for your brand/model computer
00:15.34duckeyokay
00:15.41vampsor DEL/ESC/F1/F2...
00:15.48duckeyHow can I find out wh- nvm
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00:19.06duckeyIs Jesse out as a distro now?
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00:19.57centrxduckey, Jessie is the name of the next version of Debian, Debian 8
00:20.14duckeyI know. Is it out of beta yet?
00:20.33centrxno
00:20.40centrxnot yet released
00:20.48duckeyaww
00:20.56centrxYou can use it though
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00:21.46duckeyWith all the problems I have been hearing about, I would rather not....")
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00:23.29n3tOn my desktop, I only use Debian testing (currently jessie). But still, it is *not* as stable as stable.
00:23.48duckeyI dont use unless stable
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00:44.38evilptrHi. Anybody that uses Testing with an RTL8723BE WLAN card? I keep loosing connection.
00:44.55introomn3t: thanks!
00:45.43n3tintroom: you're welcome.
00:46.14maazubye all
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01:24.33ayinhi
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01:46.00ayini love debian
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01:48.58polyphagiame too ayin me too
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01:50.23ayinbut i known only a little
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01:51.16ayinpolyphagia:where are from
01:51.29polyphagiacanada
01:51.31polyphagiawhat about you?
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01:51.53ayini am from china
01:51.53tuxpyLearning is not magic, it takes reading, time, pacience, effort...
01:52.07polyphagianice ayin how is it there?
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01:52.42ayinfine , i think
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01:53.22ayinmuch better than the past
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01:54.18ayintuxpy:yes
01:54.47tuxpyAnd not forget practice, practice, practice
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01:55.33ayincanada is a beautiful country
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01:57.13tuxpyYea, from the simpsons movie
01:57.26ayintuxpy:practice is the most important
01:58.15ayinsimpsons movie???
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01:59.49tuxpyPractice is very important, but before you need learn, and there comes reading
02:00.59ayinwhat about book of linux
02:01.38ayinbooks of linux
02:02.08zRecursiveCan you put emacs window at the bottom of screen when started ? I tried to use "Emacs.geometry: 173x43+0+450" in ~/.Xdefault, but not works.
02:02.15tuxpyDebian reference, Advanced Bash Scripting Guide, Network Administrator Guide, for start
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02:02.54JZAhi I have issues with my apt-get I did a apt-get upgrade
02:03.07JZAand it gave me issues when installing the base files package?
02:03.11tuxpyzRecursive, it depends of your Windows Manager
02:03.24JZAis there a way to rollback that instruction
02:03.32zRecursivetuxpy: it is DWM
02:03.33JZAnow it send me to do a dpkg --configure -a
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02:03.49JZAbut everytime I try to do something different, it keeps giving me the same error
02:04.01tuxpyJZA, better read the log and correct the issues
02:04.35tuxpyJZA, dpkg --configure --pending
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02:05.19JZAwell reading I noticethat this error is either due to lack of memory (not my case) or a package not fully downloading. But I will try your suggestion.
02:07.40polyphagiawell that's good ayin
02:07.44polyphagiashame about the internet though
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02:14.11tuxpyzRecursive, https://blog.dbrgn.ch/2012/1/19/dwm-config-volume-battery-notification-unread-e-mail-count-more/
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02:14.46zRecursivetuxpy: thx
02:15.01tuxpyzRecursive, aparently you need to load .Xresources from .xinitrc
02:18.18zRecursiveIn fact, in "Emacs.geometry: 173x43+0+450", 173 and 0 works, but 450 cannot be controlled accurately. So that i canot put emacs window at the bottom of screen.
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02:23.24tuxpyzRecursive, maybe with negative values like 173x43+0-0
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02:25.50zRecursivei will try it later, thx
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02:28.20HansSanitizerAnyone know a good guide to using debootstrap?
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02:33.05rommel092079good day. I would like to ask how to disable swap on debian
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02:33.17polyphagiarommel092079: swapoff
02:33.32rommel092079swapoff -a?
02:33.37polyphagiayeah
02:33.41rommel092079thanks
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02:36.21ShalokShalomdoes anybody know a cms or something like that, with which one i can set up a communication plattform, which is hosted on rasperry pi`s and smartphones for each single one account ?
02:36.26ShalokShalomcompletly self hosted ?
02:36.32un214is there a way other than hand-hacking the initrd to convince it to load a specific module in the initrd?
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02:39.20un214in case you're wondering, the driver is usb keyboard
02:40.24ayinuse cli or gui to learn linux first?
02:41.01un214depends on who you ask
02:41.22un214I cut my teeth on cli on floppy disks. there wasn't another choice at the time
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02:42.39ayinfor new user
02:43.16ayinfor a new user
02:43.28un214well cli has the advantage it's better documented
02:43.38un214assuming you're willing to read the docs
02:43.50un214oh, and don't learn as root
02:43.56un214you burn
02:44.59ayinburn means
02:45.30ayindid i burn something
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02:47.30un214you burn ~= you damage something and get to learn really fast
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02:48.32ayinsorry  my english is so bad
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02:51.33ayinun214:i studied english in middle school.so
02:51.52un214I'm not complaining about your english
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02:52.04un214and you wouldn't have learned such phrases in middle school
02:52.28ayinthank you
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02:54.51ayinexcuse me ! i am from china
02:55.30ayinun214:can you speak chinese
02:55.37un214nope
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04:44.18TyrfingMjolnirWhat is the latest enlightenment available in debian?
04:45.06polyphagiawhich version TyrfingMjolnir
04:45.11polyphagiaof debian
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04:48.02TyrfingMjolnirjessie
04:48.04TyrfingMjolnirIs there a .deb repo with FireFox Developer Edition?
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04:48.51shay_shayTyrfingMjolnir, you mean aurora ?
04:49.36shay_shayinstructions are here: http://mozilla.debian.net/
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04:51.43shay_shayhi TyrfingMjolnir
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04:58.52peterrooney,ve17
04:58.54peterrooney,v 17
04:58.56juddNo package named '17' was found in i386.
04:58.58peterrooney,v e17
04:59.00juddPackage: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.17.6-1; sid: 0.17.6-1
05:00.31peterrooneyI seem to recall e19 being available somewhere, but that could be my fevered imagination.
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05:19.12whozatmacI'm having a time with kvm today on jessie. Whenever i boot a debian install cd, i cant enter any keystrokes into the boot menu. two similar c2 era xeon machines, with vtx working in virtualbox fine
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05:55.35whozatmacah, helps to start with the correct machine type.
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06:18.20solidus-1iverwhere are lsb header definitions usually kept?
06:18.33solidus-1iverlike if i wanted to define my own $provides definitions
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06:33.01polyphagiajust kidding nobody do that please i don't wanna be banned
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07:36.59Prezident!ops polyphagia
07:36.59dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: prezident complains about: polyphagia
07:37.14polyphagia?
07:37.32PrezidentNever give a such moron answer again please.
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08:04.34lkeijsermorning!  I was wondering if there was a tool to mirror both an apt and a yum repository
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08:06.36JustinZlkeijser, for mirroring debian repos there is apt-mirror
08:06.44JustinZAs for yum, not a clue on that one, never used it.
08:07.12babilenlkeijser: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository might be of interest. Do you *really* need a complete mirror?
08:07.26lkeijserbabilen: thanks, and yes, I do :)
08:08.05lkeijserJustinZ: thanks
08:08.10JustinZno problems
08:08.29lkeijserI just found reposync, which should be the same as on centos/fedora/etc. , but so far I haven't got it to work
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08:10.12babilenNever heard of it and, conversely, haven't used it either :)
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08:11.04lkeijsernp :)  I've used it together with cobbler, so if all else fails, I'll just install that
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08:27.43kleindI am tasked to set up a private debian repository for custom software packages. i read "HowToSetupADebianRepository" and from that, found "mini-dak" the way to go. Then click the download link and the software is from 2004. What software should I rather look at? Considering "aptly" at the moment, but maybe someone has suggestions?
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08:46.21sheapso I'm on jessie, installed the atheros firmware, and network manager shows the networks but when I try to connect to one it immediately disconnects
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09:15.12bllerMorning everyone
09:15.41sangidoes freeipa-server work in debian
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09:21.44Iridosdpkg, repository
09:21.45dpkgA Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>.  A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto .  Ask me about <list repositories>.
09:21.47Iridos:-/
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09:24.35Iridosdpkg, tell kleind about own repository
09:25.04Iridosguess that's the best canned answer we have... and I didn't really ever feel like setting one up myself
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09:26.01Iridosklei....
09:26.06Iridos*sigh*
09:26.52bllerMorning Iridos
09:27.33Iridosmoinmoin
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09:39.10Iridoswhat does one use for partitioning these days... gparted? possibly will want to encrypt the disk, too... but as the installer did it for me last time, I seem to have no actual idea what one does for that
09:39.19mirdahi, i have a problem with openssl in debian wheezy
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09:39.39mirdaecho | openssl s_client -connect imap.centrum.cz:993 2>/dev/null| sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END CERTIFICATE-/p' #this doesn't work
09:39.56mirdaecho | openssl s_client -connect imap.centrum.cz:993 -ssl3 2>/dev/null| sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END CERTIFICATE-/p' #this returns certificate
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09:41.00mirdai use trinity desktop, kmail from trinity doesn't work with imap account on server imap.centrum.cz with ssl
09:41.20petn-randall!trinity
09:41.20dpkgThe Trinity Desktop Environment project is a fork of <KDE> 3.5.  It is not part of Debian (KDE SC 4 is packaged) and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team.  http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/  #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net.
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09:41.37mirdathe first command which doesn't work in wheezy works in debian 6
09:41.58mirdaplease how can i set openssl to use ssl3 to specified host?
09:41.59petn-randallmirda: What happens if you drop anything after the pipe?
09:42.21petn-randallmirda: SSLv3 support was dropped in the libraries due to POODLE.
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09:44.26mirdanow comes the rest
09:44.32petn-randall!paste
09:44.33dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
09:45.12mirdahttp://paste.debian.net/151314/
09:45.42TJ-mirda: That server isn't supporting TLS v1.2, only TLS v1.1 and SSL v3
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09:46.37mirdaah
09:46.38TJ-mirda: "New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is RC4-MD5"
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09:49.22mirdaok, thank you for info
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09:54.51NemeSisCan i install git as a server in my local server,,,, not git client,,, install git server,,, like http://git.domain.com
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09:59.30sangican we make freeipa-server to work on debian
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09:59.47sangido we have any documentation for it
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10:01.17petn-randallsangi: FreeIPA is in sid, you could backport it for stable.
10:01.31petn-randall,checkbackport freeipa-server
10:01.50juddBackporting package freeipa-server in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: 389-ds-base-dev (>= 1.3.3.2), libcmocka-dev, libkrad-dev, libkrb5-dev (>= 1.12), libsss-idmap-dev, libsss-nss-idmap-dev, libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev (>= 1.33.06), python-dnspython (>= 1.11.1), python-lesscpy, python-qrcode (>= 5.0.0).
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10:07.16NemeSisCan i install git as a server in my local server,,,, not git client,,, install git server,,, like http://git.domain.com
10:07.27spidernikhello. A question regarding the debian-installer and preseed: I'm fetching the preseed file via https from our own install server. We use self-signed certs and the installer fails to fetch the preseed file because the cert is not considered trusted... I'm not sure what would be the best approach to solve this while retaining https :(
10:08.10sangipetn-randall, but while installing it has dependancy issues
10:09.11spidernikNemeSis: you mean something like this? http://gitolite.com/gitolite/
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10:09.33nkuttlerNemeSis: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Interfaces,_frontends,_and_tools
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10:11.10factorHas anyone setup procxy.pac file on debian? I cant just setup a proxy , I have to have hte proxy auto configure script also.
10:11.59la_maquinaNemeSis, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-a-private-git-server-on-a-vps
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10:18.16la_maquinafactor, can you say where you put your proxy.pac file?
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10:19.15factor_Sorry lost connection. I dont know where to put the proxy.pac file.
10:19.22enlightifiedHello my friends. How can I access the #debian-kernel channel?
10:19.30factor_Nor do I have a proxy.pac file.
10:19.41factor_But my netowrk requires one.
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10:22.38la_maquinafactor_, you need to put your proxy.pac in the root of a web server, and then in the client you must especify the address of that server
10:23.43enlightifiedI'll reiterate, I am using pidgin and when I try to go into "#debian-kernel" it takes me to "##debian-kernel" where there is just me. if I try to go to "debian-kernel" it tells me there is no such channel.
10:23.50la_maquinafactor_, there is a lot of documentation about the format of a proxy.pac file
10:23.51Iridosenlightified, all the official channels are on irc.oftc.net
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10:24.07enlightifiedAh thank you. I am quite new to this.
10:24.16enlightifiedIridos: thanks
10:24.23Iridosyw :)
10:24.39factor_humm
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10:25.58factor_la_maquina: In my browser I can set auto proxy configure script , but say if I want to use wget , I cant use it
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10:27.01petn-randallsangi: What? I never said you should /install/ it on wheezy! I said you should backport it.
10:27.08petn-randall*could
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10:27.39petn-randallsangi: If you mixed wheezy and sid, you might have a broken system now. That's a dangerous thing to do.
10:27.44sangipetn-randall, sorry didnt understand backport
10:28.38sangipetn-randall, I tried installing in a test machine only
10:28.41la_maquinafactor_, Wget supports proxies for both HTTP and FTP retrievals. The standard way to specify proxy location, which Wget recognizes, is using the following environment variables: http_proxy https_proxy
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10:30.19factor_la_maquina: Does wget support auto proxy.pac scripts?
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10:31.31la_maquinafactor_, you need to set http_proxy="server.com/proxy.pac"
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10:31.52eliemichelhello
10:32.03eliemichelI'm trying to install openldap on debian 7 stable
10:32.10factor_la_maquina: did not seems to work.
10:32.11eliemichelbut it seems to be incomplete
10:32.15factor_but will try again.
10:32.27eliemichelFor example, I have no `slapcat` command available
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10:33.00la_maquinafactor_, you must export the variable or set it on /etc/environment
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10:34.00jelly-homejudd: file bin/slapcat
10:34.05juddSearch for bin/slapcat in wheezy/i386: slapd: usr/sbin/slapcat
10:34.16jelly-homeeliemichel: do you have /usr/sbin in PATH?
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10:35.18yogeshphow can I use linux-libre with debian?
10:35.21yogeshpI am on sid
10:36.09la_maquinafactor_, you also can set it in /etc/wget.conf
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10:39.59eliemicheljelly-home: it was not
10:40.06eliemichelthx
10:40.18eliemichel(why is it not in path by default?)
10:41.47eliemichel(hem, because it is available for root only… Makes sens!)
10:42.48factor_la_maquina: ok thanks
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10:45.40la_maquinafactor_, apparently wget doesn't work with proxy.pac, sorry
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10:46.30factor_la_maquina: that is whatI thought.
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10:49.04la_maquinafactor_, proxy.pac file is javascript code and wget don't execute javascript
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10:51.15factor_Would be cool to make a stub browser proxy program.
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11:13.42jubeiguys I am trying to find files created in the past 24 hours in my web server (checking for a possible php injection)
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11:13.58jubeiI do find /var/www/ -mtime 0 and I get two files  with : Permission denied
11:14.10jubeithe funny thing is that when I repeat the same command as root, I don’t get any hits
11:14.13jubeiwhy is that?
11:14.32centrxIt can't read the files so it does not know what the times are
11:14.43centrxIt's just reporting that it can't read them, not that it knows the create times
11:14.52jubeicentrx: ah ok! I see thank you :)
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11:16.00barmaglothttp://joxi.ru/krDpeRPIxlqVrp
11:16.10barmaglothello, which package need i install ?
11:16.26barmaglotno nothing nginx package, only nginx-common ?
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11:17.04barmagloti try to install nginx-common
11:17.10centrxbarmaglot, Read the descriptions
11:17.26centrxAlso, there is an nginx package
11:17.33centrxlisted right there in the picture
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11:18.13barmaglotcentrx: yet, but http://joxi.ru/5mdkpBli0oMer1
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11:18.40barmaglottry install it
11:19.47centrxbarmaglot, That means your package sources are messed up. libssl0.9.8 m is ancient
11:19.51centrx!sources
11:19.51dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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11:20.30centrxbarmaglot, Are you actually running Debian? What version? Do you have non-Debian sources in your sources.list?
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11:21.22barmaglotcentrx:  Linux brm 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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11:22.43centrxbarmaglot, Yes that's the kernel. Look in your /etc/apt/sources.list paste at paste.debian.net
11:22.47barmaglotcentrx: i remove nginx sources from source.list, and it works fine
11:22.54centrxok that must have been it
11:22.59barmaglotcentrx: thanks a lot
11:23.04centrxbarmaglot, Stick with the packages in Debian
11:23.33barmaglotcentrx: okay
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11:25.21barmaglotcentrx: nginx must be runned from root or another user ?
11:25.35centrxThe package installer should handle that for you
11:25.44barmaglotas i known nginx service started as root
11:25.44centrxIt either runs as root, or as its own special user
11:25.57barmaglotbut it create workers via another user
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11:26.34centrxSounds rigt
11:26.35centrxright
11:26.42barmaglot:)
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11:51.41barmaglothow can i add custom script at autoload ?
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11:51.57colo-work... what?
11:51.57barmaglotcan i write rc.local, or create another ?
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11:52.07colo-workjust call your stuff from rc.local
11:52.08centrxs/autoload/boot
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11:53.54barmaglotcolo-work: http://joxi.ru/LmGVQnYuDXW1rl
11:54.00barmaglotlike look rc.local
11:54.47fraffbarmaglot: you may use a rc.d iptables script that loads your rules at startup
11:54.58colo-workbarmaglot, no. remove your lines, and put just this there instead:     /home/brm/iptables_conf
11:55.06colo-workalso, what fraff says
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11:55.18colo-workthere is the "iptables-persist" package
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11:55.30colo-worksorry, it's actually iptables-persistent
11:55.50bru`woops. So I was saying: Hi! Any (approximate) idea of when Jessie will become stable? I see the RC1 was published 3 weeks ago. So in ~2months maybe? (extrapolating from Wheezy)
11:56.40barmaglotokay i try http://joxi.ru/KAxeRJZIbgaGr8
11:56.50barmaglotand chmod +x on that script
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11:57.22ElethI'm still trying to get one of our webservers over from squeeze to wheezy.
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11:57.35barmaglotcolo-work:  this script will be run as root ?
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11:57.42fraffcolo-work: haha, I use a script I wrote myself to do that, I'll use this package now, thanks
11:57.53zetheroowhat does it mean when you see Jessie/Sid ?
11:57.58zetherooWhat is "sid"?
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11:59.24iflemazetheroo you using testing and sid is unstable and breaks stuff as in the toy story movie
11:59.27barmaglothttp://pastebin.com/cqbqstE4
11:59.31bru`zetheroo:  Still In Development
11:59.32barmaglotplease help me
11:59.35zetherooah ok
11:59.48barmaglotafter running this script i could not connect ot server
11:59.50bru`sid = unstable = breaks, jessie = testing = next stable = imho good for a desktop usage
11:59.55barmaglotvia ssh, or via http
12:00.02barmaglotwork only active connections
12:00.03zetherooso Jessie is the new testing, but you can also use Jessie in sid "mode"?
12:00.13centrxbarmaglot, your pastebin link is down, try paste.debian.net or gist.github.com
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12:00.26Iridosis there a trick to get bridged networking to work in a virtualbox (debian-host other-linux-client) system? NAT seems to work out of the box, not sure what goes wrong with bridged access
12:00.38iflemazetheroo jessie has not been released
12:00.55bru`zetheroo:  jessie has been the testing version for a couple years (IIRC). Sid is a 3rd version. Packages automatically go from Sid to Jessie upon meeting several criterias
12:01.01centrxzetheroo, sid is just sid/unstable. It has a similar set of packages/versions to jessie/testing, but it is a different suite of packages and a different "release" process
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12:01.23zetheroohmm ok
12:01.27bru`wait, I'm spouting nonsense. Don't listen to me.
12:01.41barmaglotcentrx: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10289524/
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12:02.00Iridossid is not "released", neither is testing
12:02.08barmaglotcentrx: i want close all connections exclude i needed
12:02.12barmaglot22 and 80
12:02.26barmaglotbut now all conections refused
12:03.58centrxbarmaglot, Not sure, you may have better luck in #iptables or #bash
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12:05.16fraffbarmaglot: so you must open 22 and 80 in INPUT before DROPing all others
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12:06.24Iridosbarmaglot, well... seems you managed to get it quite secure now
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12:08.22barmagloti returned to start
12:08.34barmaglotread iptables faq previously ))
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12:09.53Iridosbarmaglot,  just run services that you actually want to show up on the outside on the outside interface and you don't need a firewall
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12:11.24Brigobarmaglot, i think the packets from INPUT and FORWARD will never reach line 15, because they are dropped in lines 10 an 11, (
12:11.43Brigobarmaglot, i think you need to drop all at the end of the script.
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12:12.20Brigommm. No, i am wrong -P is the default policy.
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12:23.01Iridosyes you are
12:23.06Vroomfondel!$
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13:01.20ayinChinese New Year of Sheep!
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13:03.10centrx!sheep
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13:08.53mirdaplease is some way to enable ssl3 in debian wheezy?
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13:10.07ayindpkg: hi
13:10.07dpkgniihau, ayin
13:10.24centrxmirda, In a particular app?
13:10.25ayindpkg: ni hao
13:10.25dpkgayin: I don't know, could you explain it?
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13:11.01mirdacentrx: i want to enable ssl3 for specified imap server for kmail from trinity desktop
13:11.02ayindpkg: how are you !
13:11.02dpkgayin: I think you lost me on that one
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13:11.35mirdacentrx: but in kmail is not any way how to set ssl version or i didn't find it
13:11.48ayindpkg: nope
13:11.48dpkgyes
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13:12.18centrxmirda, It is possible you may have to recompile kmail for SSLv3, unless there is a configuration option for it in the Settings or config file etc
13:13.06mirdai will look in config files
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13:14.05DelphiWorldhi debianists
13:14.06mirdai asked here few hours ago where is ssl3 in wheezy's openssl but i got reply that ssl3 was dropped from library due to POODLE vulnerability
13:14.23mirdahey DelphiWorld
13:14.27DelphiWorld:)
13:14.31centrxmirda, Yes that is correct. You don't really want to use SSLv3 because it is insecure
13:14.35DelphiWorldwhere could i specify the domain name of my machine?
13:14.50DelphiWorldmirda, move up to tls
13:15.08mirdatls is via port 143, right?
13:15.19DelphiWorldmirda: tls is a transport
13:15.25DelphiWorldmirda: what you're trying to do?
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13:16.28mirdaDelphiWorld: i have an email account on some server and i can't connect to it via ssl from kmail in trinity desktop, but they supports ssl
13:16.44mirdaecho | openssl s_client -connect imap.centrum.cz:993 2>/dev/null| sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END CERTIFICATE-/p' #this doesn't work
13:16.53mirdaecho | openssl s_client -connect imap.centrum.cz:993 -ssl3 2>/dev/null| sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END CERTIFICATE-/p' #this returns certificate
13:17.11DelphiWorldmirda: it's the server fault then
13:17.48mirdaso what configuration do you recommend please?
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13:19.27DelphiWorldmirda: if its your own server, enable tlsv1 or v1.2 into it
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13:23.27petn-randallmirda: If your IMAP server doesn't use TLS, ask the admins to support it. If they only support SSLv3, you might as well ask them to support no encryption at all.
13:23.59DelphiWorldpetn-randall: good reply:P
13:24.15mirdaDelphiWorld: i am only user of that server:)
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13:25.15petn-randallmirda: Are you also the admin then?
13:25.16mirdapetn-randall: so no encryption is better than bad encryption?
13:25.42pfotemirda: but as a user you have the right to ask why that server is vulnerable to well known attacks
13:25.51petn-randallmirda: What I'm saying is that bad encryption is useless.
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13:26.53mirdai will ask them to support tls
13:27.00doevCan I reset packages? All configuration files should be like new installed.
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13:28.11sangidpkg, backport
13:28.11dpkgA backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
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13:30.19ecstoianHi everyone. I have a question. I want to initiate a SSH connection from one server to another, and log the time the connection drops in order to find out when exactly a network communication problem occurs. Any idea how I can do this ?
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13:31.13malade_mentalHi, I have a question about hibernation : I have an ASUS laptop with debian stable installed on it, I have LXDE as a main WM but I also have installed MATE and GNOME. The problem is that when I ask the computer to suspend or hibernate, it never wakes up, nor with moving the mouse or pushing the power button. Where can I check the logs to see what happens when it fails to wake up?
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13:35.20petn-randallmirda: I'm wondering why they're still solely supporting SSLv3, it's been broken for ~10 years now.
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13:36.10rgrnothing happens when it fails to wake up - cos it hasnt woken up.  Did it ever properly come out of sleep/hibernation?
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13:36.46mirdapetn-randall: i don't know, they are only one mail provider, who has problem with ssl on my wheezy system
13:37.13mirdabut i am glad to know, where is a problem
13:39.51petn-randallmirda: Does it work with other mail clients? Note that we don't support trinity in here.
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13:40.49mirdapetn-randall: i know you don't support trinity, there is #trinity-desktop for it, i wanted to know situation about ssl in debian
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13:42.15mirdathat mail provider worked on Nokia N900 mail client with ssl
13:42.50Iridos\o/ someone else who still has a N900
13:43.09mirdaand it worked in thunderbird few years ago when i used ubuntu before
13:43.28mirdaIridos: yeah, N900 is great piece of HW
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13:44.00Iridossadly the phone-part of mine broke... oh well.
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13:45.42mirdaIridos: aww i am sorry to hear that
13:46.08Iridosbut that's more something for #debian-offtopic
13:46.42mirdaok, so continue ther
13:46.43mirdae
13:47.56barmaglothttp://joxi.ru/52a10BGteJYQ20
13:48.04barmagloti try block all connection, except 22, 80, 443 port
13:48.12barmaglotthen i create new chain and accept it for this ports
13:48.17barmaglotbut it doesn`t work :(
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13:49.24vampsbarmaglot: I think you want "--dport" not "--sport"
13:50.43barmaglotthanks a lot
13:50.58barmaglotfucking manual copy paste... http://www.rhd.ru/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/rhel-sg-ru-3/s1-firewall-ipt-basic.html
13:51.12vamps;)
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13:52.12sine0where are my network config files on debian? I have checked /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
13:52.28sine0i forgot how i set it up a while back
13:52.44vampssine0: mane 5 interfaces
13:52.47vampsman*
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13:53.05Twinkletoessine0: /etc/network/interfaces for IP setup
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13:53.24ElethUnless you're using some sort of app like NEtworkmanager or wicd
13:53.52sine0ok im reading
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13:55.58netuserhello word :) debian-live-7.8.0-i386-gnome-desktop password?
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13:56.49netuserhello word :) debian-live-7.8.0-i386-gnome-desktop root password?
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13:58.59netuserdebian-live-7.8.0-i386-gnome-desktop password?
13:59.13netuserTürk yok mu?
13:59.30netuser:(
13:59.34centrxWhat
13:59.38centrxWhat are you saying
13:59.51netuserdebian live root password?
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14:00.27centrxnetuser, try 'live'
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14:03.56netuserdebian-live-7.8.0-i386-gnome-desktop default root password?
14:04.26centrxI don't know, I didn't think there was a password
14:04.31centrxTry entering nothing
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14:05.33Iridosnetuser, sudo and no password?
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14:06.09sine0im watching a video on xinetd which took over from inetd etc but i cant see it on my system, has it been taken over by another thing now
14:07.02centrxsine0, TCP superserver isn't used much any more
14:07.10netuserheee ben yalan söylüyorum şifre istiyor işte
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14:07.56netuserTürk yok mu?
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14:09.10malade_mentalecstoian: yo, you can use the time command maybe
14:09.19Iridosdpkg, tr
14:09.19dpkgrumour has it, tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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14:10.44netuserdebian live default root password?
14:11.53Iridoswe answered you already
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14:24.24ZerockDo we know why Odoo is not in the repositories?
14:24.30ZerockI only see the libraries for it.
14:24.33ZerockBut no application.
14:26.11mtnZerock: https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html might help
14:26.53Zerockmtn: How can I track the package if it isn't there?
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14:27.12mtnZerock: did you look to see if it was lilsted at that site?
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14:28.08Zerockmtn: Odoo is a suite, not a single application. Think of it like "libreoffice" but bigger. It's a web application. I'm just wondering why the libraries are packaged but not the user interfaces.
14:28.37mtnZerock: I guess you are saying that link did not help :P
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14:30.29ZerockPrecisely.
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14:35.11MoHi. Does anybody know if etckeeper is still maintained? I had some old bugreports never answered, now I'm willing to patch it myself.
14:36.21IridosZerock, what libraries do you see?
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14:36.42Zerockpython-oerplib
14:37.02centrxMo It is in the current release and the next release, so it looks maintained
14:37.23Iridosjudd, versions python-oerplib
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14:37.24juddPackage: python-oerplib on i386 -- sid: 0.8.3-3; jessie: 0.8.3-3
14:37.41Iridosoh, in jessie...
14:38.04Iridosdon't see anything like that on wheezy, of course
14:38.44Zerock"Topic for #debian is: Jessie frozen" seems like Jessie software can be on-topic.
14:39.26Mocentrx: Hm, I wrote the author a year ago, never answered. I did not find a bugtracker, I have not reportbug as I don't use Debian. I wrote an email to submit@bugs.debian.org ...
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14:39.42centrxMo: bugs.debian.org/etckeeper
14:39.55MoAll my other projects have web-based bugtrackers I can subscribe.
14:40.01centrxMo: Okay I was wrong then, it's actually maintained by the QA team
14:40.04Iridosactually there's #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net for questions on testing... but I never complained about not bein on-topic either, if you've noticed
14:40.36centrxMo: It's still an active package, but the maintainer has apparently abandoned it and it is maintaed by a Debian team for ensuring quality (QA)
14:40.48ZerockIridos: I know of #debian-next. It's just mostly dead, and I figured Jessie was relevant to this channel by now.
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14:41.54centrxZerock, #debian-next is fairly active generally
14:41.58IridosMo, what's the problem with etckeeper in debian?
14:42.02centrxZerock, Debian is relevant to #debian, but it often makes sense for people to go to #debian-next because
14:42.17centrxZerock, a) there are other people there who may know more about testing/unstable; and b) this channel here gets very busy sometimes so makes sense to split them up
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14:43.04MoIridos: etckeeper ignores the ignore file.
14:43.13Iridosheh
14:43.15Iridosironic!
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14:45.27lexvegasAnyone know why I have 1 process in ps aux called console-kit-daemon --no-daemon but htop shows about 20? From what i've seen, the process is related to graphical stuff, so it would be irelevant on a server
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14:46.33Iridosthreads
14:46.46Iridostry ps -eLf
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14:48.12averageis there some particular standard place that mysql logs queries(and maybe how much time each of them took) ?
14:48.14sine0centrx: whats used instead of xinetd inetd
14:48.19lexvegasIridos: that shows about the same number of threads. What is that process doing on a headless server with no GUI, though?
14:48.32centrxsine0, daemons bind directly to their port
14:48.32ildefonsoaverage, you will have to configure mysql to do that.
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14:48.57centrxsine0, The purpose of the TCP superserver is so you don't need to run daemons in the background all the time, they start up when the superserver receives a connection
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14:49.44centrxsine0, So to start up, they run slower, and the TCP superservers had some security implications
14:50.04centrxsine0, And since computers have so much RAM nowadays, there's no downside to having a 1MB daemon running in the background if that's what you want
14:50.24sine0oh ok.
14:50.26Iridoslexvegas, aptitude why consolekit
14:50.33sine0no i was just reading/learning.
14:50.47Iridosand I guess it's because policykit-1 depends on it
14:51.09sine0centrx: what about the dos protection it offered
14:51.23averageildefonso: I see, thanks . long_query_time=1 ; log-slow-queries=/var/log/mysql/log-slow-queries.log ;
14:51.27averageildefonso: would this work ?
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14:51.41lexvegasseems to be related to acpid
14:51.47sine0also would it be something to be considered if you were setting up a system on low ram like a rpi
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14:53.36centrxsine0, sure yes, it's not useless, it's just common nowadays and not part of the default install
14:53.37ildefonsoaverage, I don't know off the top of my head, check its documentation (I seldom use MySQL, as I work mostly with PostgreSQL)
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14:54.07lexvegashttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=678524
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14:54.16lexvegasdue to a bug in lightdm
14:54.32sine0ok sweet im out for a bit, thanks for the infos
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14:54.43lexvegasnow all systems that have acpid installed have 20 threads of consolekit running.
14:55.00lexvegaswhich is fantastic for limited RAM VMs
14:55.18lexvegasIridos: thanks for the commands, didn't know about aptitude why
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15:02.11Iridoslexvegas, guess you could make a dummy package... or edit the package to remove the stuff
15:02.18Iridoss/stuff/dependency/
15:02.32Kobazby the time jessie is stable, is there going to be an alternative path than systemd?
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15:06.15raphahi!
15:06.31raphahow can i get consolekit working to a point where it shows the current session as "active = TRUE"?
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15:07.49NoImNotNineVoltis the only way to get info about a .deb to unpack (or install) it?
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15:08.45KobazNothing4You: see the options in 'man dpkg'
15:09.00KobazNoImNotNineVolt: there's lots of query options to inspect a package without installing it
15:09.12Exagone313to see files in an archive you have to exctract somewhere, in ram or in files
15:09.15Nothing4YouKobaz: why?
15:09.18Exagone313i think
15:09.33KobazNothing4You: for people who don't want systemd?
15:09.42KobazNothing4You: linux/oss is all about choice, isn't it?
15:09.46raphahmm
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15:10.01NoImNotNineVoltwhy can't i see them in dpkg --help?
15:10.19KobazNoImNotNineVolt: because --help is not everything
15:10.21raphai guess alternatively i could convert to systemd ... that sounds a bit like changing your religion to zoroastrism, but if it works...
15:10.41Kobazrapha: i built embedded systems using debian as a base.. it's not something i want/need
15:10.43NoImNotNineVoltokay...
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15:10.53NoImNotNineVoltperhaps i should rephrase my question..
15:10.56Kobazi've been using debian for almost 15 years now, and then systemd happened
15:11.05raphaKobaz: well, i would prefer to have consolekit working ... but its not
15:11.05mtnKobaz: snore
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15:11.11NoImNotNineVoltwhat are some ways to get info about a .deb without installing it?
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15:11.15Exagone313NoImNotNineVolt: you can also search an online man dpkg http://linux.die.net/man/1/dpkg
15:11.27jokoon2I have debian 7.4, any quick way to install mesa 10 ?
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15:11.41NoImNotNineVoltExagone313: at least a reference to the man page is better than "yes, there are ways."
15:11.43NoImNotNineVoltthank you.
15:12.13KobazNoImNotNineVolt: the man page is a good start, i'm getting some examples for you
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15:13.02NoImNotNineVoltideally something along the lines of dpkg --status, but for packages that aren't installed.
15:13.23Kobazdpkg -c debfile.deb
15:13.23dpkgwish i knew, Kobaz
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15:13.53NoImNotNineVoltthat's more like dpkg -L
15:14.28Kobazyeah there's a number of commands though
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15:14.46NoImNotNineVoltbasically, i'm hoping to get the version number (without unpacking debian/changelog explicitly)
15:14.46raphaKobaz: https://devuan.org/
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15:14.58Kobazi know about devuan
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15:15.17Kobazis the only solution going to be 'dump the distro you've been using for forever'
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15:16.15xnor2hey
15:16.18NoImNotNineVoltKobaz: i recommend netbsd.
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15:16.38Kobazi already use freebsd for a bunch of stuff
15:16.49Kobazbut that's gonna be like a 1-2 year project converting everything
15:17.09xnor2how is it that bash -c aptitude does not start a new bash process?
15:17.15NoImNotNineVoltwhat is it about systemd that you find unacceptable?
15:17.18Kobazand i would much prefer to stick with linux, as i have a ton more experience in breakage/troubleshooting
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15:17.47KobazNoImNotNineVolt: it does too much, it's being rammed into every distro because it's "the next best thing"
15:18.00xnor2or ( aptitude; )
15:18.07Kobaznot everyone wants an entire system takeover by one project
15:18.08nkuttlerKobaz: please stay on topic, which is technical support questions. removing systemd is easy
15:18.14NoImNotNineVolti totally sympathize with that view, but are there any objections to systemd itself?
15:18.37KobazNoImNotNineVolt: i think it's a very interesting idea for unifying desktop systems
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15:18.50Kobazi think it needs a lot more maturing in that space, before i would want it on a server
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15:19.07Kobaznkuttler: that was my original question
15:19.27Kobazsome sort of officially-documented "take this approach if you don't want systemd in debian" was what i was looking for
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15:19.41nkuttlerKobaz: remove systemd-sysv
15:19.41NoImNotNineVoltwell, on the other hand, if it turns out that it lacked maturity and was prematurely deployed, it will have been prematurely deployed virtually everywhere.
15:19.44sandman13Kobaz: about systemd, the biggest fear is that it will become next "xorg"
15:19.46bazhangKobaz, #debianfork
15:20.03sandman13read it somewhere though
15:20.15NoImNotNineVolti.e. your systems won't be the only ones that are dying of systemd disease, and so you really don't have to worry about your competitors swooping in for the kill.
15:20.40KobazNoImNotNineVolt: basically yeah.  I mean it touches a lot of things that your init of yesterday would have never.  It's getting into network management now
15:20.48nkuttlerNoImNotNineVolt: Kobaz: really, please take it private
15:20.53NoImNotNineVoltsorry.
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15:22.17NoImNotNineVoltso is there a way to check the version of a .deb without unpacking and looking at debian/changelog?
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15:22.22wfqhi guys
15:22.26Kobazyeah
15:22.33KobazNoImNotNineVolt: sec
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15:22.56wfqis there anyway of resizing the existing partition you are running on provided that I have enough space?
15:23.12NoImNotNineVoltwfq: usually, yes. gparted can help.
15:23.21mtnwfq: yes, use gparted from a live disk, like your mint install disk
15:23.26Kobazdpkg --info debfile
15:23.26dpkgKobaz: I don't know, could you explain it?
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15:23.39mtnwfq: or any live disk
15:23.49NoImNotNineVoltah, totally missed that line, thanks :)
15:23.51wfqdo I need to use live CD?
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15:23.59wfqI don't have a CD
15:24.03Kobazwfq: you can use a usb
15:24.07mtnwfq: yes, you can't resize a mounted partition
15:24.08NoImNotNineVoltuse dpkg .... --info ... on archives (type dpkg-deb --help)
15:24.12NoImNotNineVoltthanks! :)
15:24.16wfqOh god thought that was going to be easier
15:24.45wfqwe'll try with this: http://gparted.org/liveusb.php
15:24.56NoImNotNineVoltif you really don't want to reboot, you may not have to.
15:25.03jelly-homewfq: it's easier only if you remember to use "lvm" in advance
15:25.08NoImNotNineVoltdepends which partition(s) you're trying to resize and where they're located.
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15:25.56wfqjelly-home that's true.
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15:26.35wfqNoImNotNineVollt, I shall use the gparted live as see If I get it done
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15:33.47xnor2so can anyone tell me what's going on with subshells and programs like aptitude?
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15:36.53centrx!vague
15:36.53dpkgHi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way.  I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms.
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15:38.17NoImNotNineVoltur isn't an annoying contraction. it's an ancient mesopotamian city.
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15:38.26xnor2and why the hell does pstree show the same process subtree twice
15:39.03NoImNotNineVolthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur
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15:40.33rrrrhello everyone
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15:41.00xnor2centrx: was that directed at me?
15:42.40jokoon2I have debian 7.4, any quick way to install mesa 10 ?
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15:45.31no_gravityIs there an elegant way to set the clock of a debian system? Something that pulls it from the net?
15:45.41centrxjokoon2, No, looks like you would have to upgrade to pre-release Debian 8
15:45.48centrxno_gravity, install ntpd or ntpdate
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15:46.13no_gravitycentrx: i was thinking about something like "date < wget some.thing.out/there"
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15:53.08PintinhoCan someone help me with ssh error while connecting: Error: Could not chdir to home directory /home/user_created_for_ssh_on_external_server
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15:53.22Pintinho???
15:53.31centrxPintinho, Sounds like it's not a directory
15:53.38centrxUser lacks home directory
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15:54.39PintinhoI am tryng this: ssh  -p 22 fastssh.com-bunda@se.serverip.co but the response is: Could not chdir to home directory /home/fastssh.com-bunda: No such file or directory
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15:55.13PintinhoI use Debian Wheezy x_64
15:55.45FinrodDoes Debian have a support channel on Freenode?
15:55.51centrxPintinho, Yes that looks like a problem on the remote server. The remote server lacks the home directory for that user. It should just be a warning and you can continue.
15:56.07centrxFinrod, This is it, there are also several Debian channels on OFTC (irc.oftc.net)
15:56.10bazhangFinrod, you are in it now
15:56.12Pintinhoafter the error the connection is closed
15:56.24Pintinhocentrx: after the error connection is closed
15:56.42Finrodthanks
15:56.47KobazFinrod: this is freenode, and this is the support channel
15:56.48centrxPintinho, Okay it means something is not set up properly on the server
15:56.57Pintinhocentrx: can I bypass this???
15:58.41Pintinhocentrx:  I am using fastssh.com trying to connect, but without sucess
15:59.00PintinhoAnys Ideas?
15:59.08centrxPintinho, Maybe you have the username wrong?
15:59.15Pintinhono
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16:01.05FinrodI can't find the OFTC network on my ChatZilla network list
16:01.17centrxJust type irc.oftc.net
16:01.24centrxor /server irc.oftc.net
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16:02.45FinrodIs there a way to access that server using ChatZilla?
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16:04.13averageFinrod: why do you want to use chatzilla ?
16:04.22NoImNotNineVoltoi think it's /connect irc.oftc.net if you don't want to disconnect from freenode.
16:04.27averageFinrod: why do you want to be on IRC even..
16:04.29FinrodBecause I'm running Xubuntu
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16:04.38NoImNotNineVoltirssi > *
16:04.41averageFinrod: so if you're using Xubuntu, install irssi
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16:05.04averageFinrod: but going back to my previous question, why do you want to be on IRC, it's a waste of very valuable time
16:05.09UlrarHi, is there a way to grant a standard user permission to use netstat -tupln ? I only get a "netstat: no support for `AF INET (tcp)' on this system." when I try, but it works fine as root
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16:05.26NoImNotNineVoltaverage: he's not asking where to find the idlerpg channel :P
16:05.42FinrodI'm getting free tech support on IRC
16:05.44bvierrahey all, 7.8 doing a netinstall on a virtualbox guest
16:05.53jelly-homeUlrar: eh, set up sudo and allow that user to run netstat with those options, as root
16:05.56bvierradoes not see a disk drive, any ideas?
16:05.57averageUlrar: make a cronjob to run netstat -tupln and write the output in some file somewhere and give it rights to the user you want to read it from
16:06.04NoImNotNineVoltFinrod: free of financial cost. but isn't your time worth anything?
16:06.15averageUlrar: it may not be the very best solution ever, but it's cheap and it will work just fine
16:06.25NoImNotNineVoltFinrod: just look how much of your time average has already wasted :P
16:06.27UlrarWon't do, I'm trying to get our monitoring system to work with unprivileged users, I'd like to not spend two days recoding the core of it
16:06.30jelly-homedpkg, tell Ulrar about sudoers
16:06.32averageUlrar: the cronjob I was suggesting would be run as root
16:06.32Ulrarno idea of how it works
16:06.40FinrodI think I may be able to access OFTC using ChatZilla's Webchat client
16:06.58UlrarWorks fine on other distos but debian must have something preventing it
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16:07.00averageUlrar: I just suggested a solution involving a cronjob. you said "Won't do" , why is that ?
16:07.18Ulraraverage: 'cause I'd have to recode the whole core to make it work
16:07.26Finrodthat's a good point.  I have wasted a huge amount of time just trying to get tech support for Ubuntu
16:07.28averageUlrar: what do you mean "core" ?
16:07.34averageUlrar: and why wouldn't it work ?
16:07.40NoImNotNineVoltFinrod: i don't know what chatzilla is, but if it allows you to specify servers/networks explicitly, then yes.
16:07.53UlrarHo it would work, but I can't spend that kind of time recoding our monitoring
16:07.58averageFinrod: read forums and mailing lists and stackexchange. don't waste time on IRC
16:08.22NoImNotNineVoltFinrod: so what's really cheaper, "free" support that's 50% trolls like me wasting your time, or paid support? :P
16:08.28UlrarI know it runs netstat -tupln, and that works fine on most of our hosts but on debian it won't work if not run as root for some reason
16:08.40NoImNotNineVoltthat being said, i learned everything i know from irc.
16:08.52averageUlrar: you're silly. you're spending more time on IRC than you would recoding something really simple
16:09.06averageUlrar: but you can of course have it your way
16:09.08FinrodI don't have any money, so I can't pay for support
16:09.24Ulraraverage: I'm spending 5 minutes on irc, I'd have to spend hours trying to recode something I don't know hoping I don't break anything
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16:09.45NoImNotNineVoltquit irc, sell computer, buy beer. all problems solved.
16:09.49averageFinrod: you don't need to pay for support. I just suggested some fantastic ways of getting support. The vast majority of questions related to Ubuntu have already been asked by other folks. You can find the answers on stackexchange, mailing lists or forums
16:09.51FinrodThat's why I have been using Ubuntu
16:10.37NoImNotNineVoltthat way you'd save time, have money, and have no more tech support questions. plus you'd have beer.
16:10.57Eduard_MunteanuWhat CD/USB image should I get if I intend to install Jessie by debootstrapping manually?
16:11.40Eduard_MunteanuIs there some sort of rescue image I should be using?
16:11.59jelly-homeUlrar: netstat -p can never show all the process info unless you're root
16:12.56averageUlrar: you could give rights in /etc/sudoers for just a limited set of commands(in your case netstat), but.. I have no idea how 'secure' that is
16:13.03jelly-homeEduard_Munteanu: it doesn't really matter, as long as it runs debootstrap, innit?
16:13.35Eduard_Munteanujelly-home, yeah, I'll require cryptsetup and btrfs support though.
16:13.55Ulrarjelly-home: Mh I don't know, for example I just tried on a Gentoo and I get all the info I'm used to
16:14.41jelly-homeUlrar: doubtful; if gentoo provides you process info about other users, that's a bit of a security breach
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16:14.59Ulraraverage: Yeah I was thinking about grepping netstat in the code and trying to add a condition to add sudo if not running as root, would still take a little work but doable I guess
16:15.35Ulrarjelly-home: Might be only my processes now that you mention it
16:15.47averageUlrar: I bet it'd take more work than a simple root cronjob
16:16.21Ulraraverage: The cronjob requires me to either rewrite the whole thing or to add that job on all the hosts we are monitoring
16:16.25WalexEduard_Munteanu: the Debianista live CD of choice for sysadm work is GRML
16:16.31UlrarThat's hundreds of servers
16:16.32averageUlrar: no it doesn't , don't be silly
16:16.45averageUlrar: you can provision the cronjob via puppet to how many servers you want
16:16.58UlrarI wish we were using it
16:16.59averagepuppet/ansible/chef/res/etc
16:17.00Ulrar:(
16:17.02Eduard_MunteanuI see.
16:17.20averageUlrar: you can even write something that ssh-es into all the machines and sets the cronjob
16:17.22Ulrar90% of these hosts aren't ours, we just monitor them
16:17.31UlrarProbably yeah
16:17.33averageUlrar: it's really not as hard as you think it is to put that cronjob on X number of servers
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16:18.42Eduard_MunteanuUlrar, for quick fixes, ansible is probably most suitable
16:19.13Eduard_MunteanuYou can basically use it as a wrapper around ssh, not to mention it likely provides support for cron jobs.
16:20.23jokoon2centrx: why isn't mesa in debian 7.8 ?
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16:21.00centrxjokoon2, It is, but it's version 8.0.5, not version 10
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16:21.19jokoon2centrx: so why no mesa 10 in debian 7.8 ?
16:21.31jokoon2centrx: I'm just looking towards opengl 3.3
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16:22.18centrxjokoon2, Debian releases get updates primarily for security issues. It is a stable platform so new releases don't either carry bugs, or interfere with e.g. your own applications that may depend on a specific version of software
16:22.53centrxjokoon2, That's the minor version (7.8). The next major release (8.0) will have new versions of everything
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16:24.39jelly-homeaverage: falling back on polling from cron instead of giving sudo access to one user for one specific command seems... inelegant
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16:24.49wfqhi all
16:25.05Eduard_MunteanuHi, wfq.
16:25.34wfqHow I tell my Debian to forget about the windows partition when stating. I remove that partition however it tries to mount it all the time obviously
16:25.50wfqIsn't that easy to do by modifying the grub?
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16:26.15mtnwfq: run update-grub as root
16:26.17averagejelly-home: so does giving access to sudo access just for netstat and not being able to decide very accurately on that being a security concern
16:26.44wfqmtn I did but the windows recovery partition still appears
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16:27.10wfqJust found this but not sure whether that is true: http://superuser.com/questions/148418/remove-windows-7-entry-from-grub
16:27.13Eduard_Munteanuwfq, how did you delete it?
16:27.18mtnwfq: I wouldn't think that would show as windows in the grub menu, but don't use windows, so....
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16:27.46wfqEduard_Munteanu I just use gparted to remove the partition. I Need to resize my linux one
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16:28.35Eduard_Munteanuwfq, are you still seeing the partition in /dev?
16:28.36ProjectnsHello, i have a short question. Is it posible to Build a debian stream server? I wanna stream videos in a playlist
16:28.42Projectns*from a playlist
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16:28.53averagejelly-home: at least in the case of the cronjob, you know what's being run and how, and you can filter out whatever you need to and have control over it. With sudo, you're basically opening avenues for some things to happen. I can't say 100% what those avenues are (not a security expert) but I generally would not want to find out by them happening (and if I'd like to educate myself about them, I'm very sur
16:28.54averagee it would take huge amounts of time to read security advisories and a lot of documentation on the topic)
16:28.54Eduard_MunteanuProjectns, sure
16:28.58ProjectnsAnd how?
16:29.00xnor2how can I build one specific package from a source package?
16:29.01Projectns:)
16:29.09average18:28 < average> e it would take huge amounts of time to read security advisories and a lot of documentation on the topic)
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16:29.35Eduard_MunteanuProjectns, using vlc or libavtools, for example
16:29.39wfqEduard_Mnteanu, fdisk -l shows nothing
16:29.47jelly-homeaverage: alright, so you don't trust sudo
16:29.50fraffxnor2: dpkg-buildpackage
16:29.54Eduard_Munteanuwfq, not that, /dev/sd*
16:29.55Projectnsok , do u know some tutorials ?
16:30.43averagejelly-home: I can't say I don't trust sudo. But the cost of trusting it(educating myself on all the possible ways it could go wrong) outweighs the simple idea of not using it :)
16:30.48wfqEduard_Munteanu, not it doesn't
16:30.53Eduard_MunteanuProjectns, look on VLC's website
16:30.56jelly-homeaverage: that's what "trust" means
16:30.58Projectnsok :)
16:31.00Projectnsty
16:31.12averagejelly-home: well ok, if you want to call it that :)
16:31.31jelly-homeit's a sane choice.
16:31.37wfqstill in the grub though and I can see that it tries to mount it with some errors obviously
16:31.59wfqlet me reboot again
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16:32.35Eduard_MunteanuProjectns, https://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Streaming_HowTo_New/#Streaming
16:32.44jelly-homeaverage: I'd choose to use it, for same reasons, the cost of learning about it, using it and happening to know how often it gets security issues is sunk already, for me
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16:33.05roger21do we need dpkg to be that trolly?
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16:33.14roger21it's not funny
16:33.23Projectnsty :)
16:34.10t0t4ln00bsaUrU5im not laughing
16:34.56dondelelcaroroger21: ?
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16:36.15roger21what is the proper way to disable the install of recommended package by default ?
16:36.27ayini dont understand apt-get and aptitude still
16:36.41bazhangroger21, the no recommends flag?
16:36.43roger21wiki doesn't seems updated
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16:37.07bazhangroger21, the man of apt-get talks about that
16:37.24bazhangroger21, need a link?
16:37.36roger21to the man ?
16:38.05bazhangroger21, they are in html as well, if thats what you wish
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16:38.41roger21really, you mean on the internet and all?
16:38.48roger21that's insane
16:39.17xnor2fraff: I download dsc, orig.tar.gz, debian.tar.xz, extract both archives, run dpkg-buildpackage .. and get a patch error
16:39.20roger21i wish there was a kind of engine to find stuff on the thingy www too
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16:39.29bazhangroger21, I thought you wished to know how to install packages w/o the recommends
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16:40.20fraffxnor2: did you apt-get source yourPkg ?
16:40.49t0t4ln00bsaUrU5so like, is there internet that like ISNT manpages??? what is this "html" thing I keep hearing about too???
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16:41.11jelly-homedpkg, tell roger21 about apt-recommends
16:41.41xnor2fraff: nope, because I got the files for jessie from packages.debian.org/source/...
16:41.52xnor2and I'm on wheezy
16:41.59xnor2or squeeze
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16:42.15fraffxnor2: there is no backport for this package ?
16:42.20xnor2fraff: no
16:42.33roger21seriously i install acpi it install X, hhow the fuck would that be any usefull
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16:43.10xnor2fraff: aptitude build-dep is satisfied
16:43.11roger21i install xfce it install a fucking gigantic picture scanner i don't know what the fuck bigger than ginp
16:43.13roger21WHY?
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16:43.17zrafaIs it possible to add in preseed for debian installers some way to have in partition stage the option similar tu ubuntu or linux mint, which  detects another OS and is able to install Linux together automatically if the user chooses that option?
16:43.21fraffxnor2: sorry, I don't know then, try to find which patch is messing up in patches/ directory
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16:43.39roger21recommends are so fucking fucked up !!!!!!!!
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16:44.13jelly-homeroger21: whining doesn't help solve your technical issue, so try to cool down
16:44.35roger21i don't have technical issue
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16:45.09jelly-homeroger21: you seemed to have an issue with some, specific, package dependencies
16:45.15roger21i justhave all the cups suits and X because of the recommends dependency (for a server without any printing purpose)
16:45.26roger21WHY?
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16:46.14roger21it's rethorical, i know wich fucked package is the origine
16:46.17jelly-homeroger21: it's unusual to have xfce installed on a server
16:46.30roger21i don't it was an exemple
16:46.39roger21(from a test)
16:46.50roger21but it is as fucked up
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16:47.20xnor2fraff: how do I extract the source/debian archives properly?
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16:48.00wfqhi guys
16:48.04wfqI am back again
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16:48.05dondelelcaroroger21: considering that acpi doesn't depend on anything but libc6, you're probably seeing something else
16:48.20fraffxnor2: well, I don't know, apt-get source ... do it for me very well
16:48.36dondelelcaroroger21: but it's pretty trivial to turn off the recommends; they exist precisely because people might want to turn them off.
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16:49.23wfqWindow has finally disappeared from my grub. However when I try to run my Debian I get this error: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74931. If I run it with sysvinit everything seems to work find however I still find the message saying that something could not be mounted
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16:50.24petn-randallwfq: How is this related to sysvinit? What are you using instead?
16:50.27wfqdmesg doesn't seem to show the errors I get so that I could post it here
16:50.36wfqpetn-randal no idea
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16:50.51petn-randallwfq: You have no idea what you're running?
16:51.06wfqwhat do you mean exactly please?
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16:51.40roger21and cups come from bluetooth, does it make any fucking sense????
16:51.55wfqI mean when I run Debian with sysvinit the system seems to go all the way. Otherwise I am stopped with that weird message and I am asked for my root password to see some logs
16:52.05petn-randallwfq: Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you said "If I run it with sysvinit everything seems to work". I'm asking what you're running when you're not running sysvinit.
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16:52.25digilinkhey guys.. I have a VM with three interfaces, two of them are pulling DHCP addresses from two different networks. Both DHCP servers are advertising default gateways, and my intended behavior is to use one as the primary and only default gateway that's advertised.. but it appears the other interface is currently winning instead. I have a network on eth1 and eth2, the network on eth2 is the
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16:52.26digilinkdefault gateway I would like to use. Is there any way around this? I thought about maybe some post up route deletions or something, but thougt maybe there was a different way
16:53.01petn-randalldigilink: Should both networks be advertising a default route?
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16:53.21averagejelly-home: I don't mean to be a nitpicker, but.. http://www.cvedetails.com/product/200/Todd-Miller-Sudo.html?vendor_id=118
16:53.23digilinkyes, one is a modem, the other is a network I use internally
16:53.28zrafaHi,  Is it possible to add in preseed for debian installers some way to have in partition stage
16:53.28wfqpetn-randall I meant that when I try to run Debian as usual I get this error: - [drm:intel_dp_start_link_train] *ERROR* too many voltage retries, give up. Then after 1m and 3 seconds I am asked for my root password to see some logs. If rather than doing that I go for the options I have to run Debian and choose the one that says "with sysvinit", the system goes all the way
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16:54.05wfqhowever I still get an error saying that something could not be mounted - I deleted my windows partition and updated grub so I do not know whether this has to do with it
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16:54.42_2_Ellahey guys?
16:54.52_2_Ella:)
16:55.01petn-randallwfq: Ok, what release are you running then?
16:55.15_2_Ella-.-
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16:55.22wfq8.
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16:55.44petn-randallwfq: Oh, so you're running a prerelease version.
16:55.53petn-randall!tell wfq -about jessie
16:56.16petn-randallwfq: The support channel for that is another, check out what dpkg sent you. See you there :)
16:56.31t0t4ln00bsaUrU5oooo, prerelease
16:56.38wfqpetn-randall, thanks
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16:56.57humbotalso /etc/fstab ;)
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16:57.34jelly-homeaverage:  yes, I'm fully aware of the statistics.
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17:00.17averagejelly-home: what I'd be interested to know is, how you build trust in relation to something like sudo. and, in addition to that, since there are many programs like sudo which need to be used in various situations, how do you find the time to build trust about them. I can easily imagine at least 10-20 of them that are of everyday use.
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17:00.38averagejelly-home: do you read their source code ? do you just read mailing lists about them ? do you watch the security advisories ?
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17:00.56averagejelly-home: I mean there must be multiple ways through which this can be done. which ones do you use ?
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17:01.56jelly-homeaverage: 1) years of use and tracking security 2) sane default settings in debian 3) use just one thing, sudo
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17:02.51jelly-homeaverage: it used to be quite horrible way back when, but got better with time
17:03.20average1) <- how do you track security ?
17:03.27average2) <- ok
17:03.48jelly-homeaverage: just the usual DSA; previously some other sources like bugtraq
17:03.50average3) <- yes, sudo, but there are other programs that you need to trust as well, not just sudo
17:04.18petn-randallaverage: Do you trust your processor, and it's microcode?
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17:04.35jelly-homeaverage: we don't use sudo for random crap, just specific scripts run as specific users
17:04.48averagepetn-randall: I can't go at that level since it's completely outside the things I'm familiar with
17:04.49centrxaverage, Frankly, your computer hardware probably already has government-installed backdoor/spyware on it
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17:05.12averagecentrx: I'm not doubting that, I just can't go at that level ^^ ..
17:05.19petn-randallaverage: Or the firmware on several devices of your machine? You have to educate yourself on how things /should/ work, use sane configuration and anything beyond that you'll just have to trust someone else to do the right thing.
17:05.22jelly-homeaverage: netstat is old enough I'd trust it implicitely
17:05.40centrxUnix software ages like a fine wine
17:05.49jelly-homeaverage: ss, maybe not so much :-]
17:06.00petn-randallcentrx: Or whisky
17:06.08petn-randallthe older it is, the easier it can kill you ;)
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17:07.00averageI think 'killing' is a bit beyond the risk that I or the vast majority of users face
17:07.04Iridospetn-randall, that metaphor could use some work
17:07.23averageThe usual risks are just not having compromised laptops/servers
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17:09.00Iridosmaybe killing you softly.... with a song?
17:09.13sydney_untangleThere is no official way to make a debian custom cd anymore?
17:09.52sydney_untangleI want to make a custom one of my own for FOSS games.
17:10.04sydney_untangleand FOSS game dev.
17:12.08sydney_untangleI saw simple-ccd, but i don't know how to use it.
17:12.18sydney_untangleand the #debian-custom channel seems empty.
17:12.53jelly-homesydney_untangle: looking in the right place, on OFTC network?
17:13.48sydney_untangleoftc network?
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17:14.24centrx!oftc
17:14.24dpkgOFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service.  They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net.  You may be connected to OFTC's network.  http://www.oftc.net/  See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
17:14.36jelly-home!blends
17:14.36dpkgA Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box.  Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends  http://blends.debian.org/  #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net.
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17:14.49jelly-homesydney_untangle: that's what the "on irc.oftc.net" bit means
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17:15.14jelly-homeand it's rather bleak as well, 9 people
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17:15.29sydney_untangleOh.
17:15.33sydney_untangleNo one there either/
17:16.35sydney_untangleOh well.
17:17.33sydney_untangleIRC: #debian-custom channel at irc.debian.org is present.
17:18.21sydney_untangleNever mind...
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17:23.59StevkoHello. I have syslog and dmesg filled with the following stuff: http://fpaste.org/187097/ (on Jessie). What does that exactly mean?
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17:27.22centrxStevko, Looks like a problem with your hard drive. Make sure you have backups.
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17:28.10turtledinghello. months ago, the debian maintainers discussed, if debian/kfreebsd should supported furthermoore. in the debian wiki theres nothing too see about this. i'm just curious about the result of that :)
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17:29.23wfqhi guys
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17:32.27wfqI have made my usb bootable: /dev/sdb1  *     8064 15124991 15116928  7.2G  c W95 FAT32 (LBA) where the * is under the boot column. Should I at least, provided that the BIOS is well configure, get a message saying that it is attempting to load from usb? When I restart my laptop I see the Debian grub right away
17:32.50Stevkocentrx: when I run linux with iommu=soft, I get no errors.
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17:34.40wfqon the instructions I am reading I get this: Ensure that the partition starts on a cylinder boundary.. How do I know whether this is a boundary?
17:36.53centrxturtleding, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html
17:37.24centrxwfq, If you're doing something normal, the partitioning tool should take care of that for you I believe
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17:38.24centrxStevko, Maybe it's a really old drive/motherboard or something?
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17:40.20turtledingcentrx: thx :/
17:40.35Stevkocentrx: that is the thing, those are six new drives and they do similar things in two computers (two motherboards).
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17:41.24Stevkocentrx: well, I will see what happens.
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17:52.48sine0the password hash that used to be in passwd but is now in shadow, how has doing that made any security difference.
17:53.58centrxsine0, passwd needs to be world-readable, so any local user could brute-force the hash
17:54.07centrxsine0, shadow is only readable by root
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17:55.36sine0ahh ok. thanks
17:55.39sine0makes sense
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17:57.02averagesydney_untangle: irc.debian.org
17:57.29averagesydney_untangle: I think that's the Debian IRC network
17:57.34jelly-homeaverage, sydney_untangle: that's the same thing as irc.oftc.net
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17:57.55averagejelly-home: ah, sorry
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18:04.44juddBackporting package openjdk-8-jre-headless in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.9, openjdk-8-jdk [amd64 armel armhf arm64 i386 mips mipsel mips64 mips64el powerpc powerpcspe ppc64 ppc64el s390x x32].
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18:09.40Chrys0pras3Hey, password prompt isn't displaying after locking. Recently updated kernel to 3.18.2. How to recover without restarting gdm?
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18:12.40jelly-homechrisoprase: which debian release are you using (also, where did you get that kernel from)
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18:25.12wh0isthisdeb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.8.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 lxde-CD Binary-1 201$
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18:25.14wh0isthisshould i remove this line from sources.list?
18:26.12GNU\colossusif you have internet connectivity, probably.
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18:26.46wh0isthisGNU\colossus: ok thanks
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18:27.08chrisoprasejelly-home: got mixed up, this one is 3.16 from wheezy backports
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18:30.27vvujaany help how to install Debian 7.7 amd64 from CD1 base system on UEFI blade IBM server?
18:31.00jelly-homevvuja: BIOS compatibility mode works well on our X series.
18:31.15vvujahow to install Debian?
18:31.35vvujaif I put amd64 CD ISO into mount image it will not boot
18:31.43vvujaI can boot i386 image but then OS would not boot
18:31.44jelly-homeif you have bios compatibility enabled, it ought to
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18:31.56vvujawhere to enable it and what?
18:32.05vvujacan you please help me on this I need it for my job
18:32.11jelly-homeI don't remember, sadly.  Somewhere in BIOS...
18:32.22vvujabios compatibility to what exactly?
18:32.44jelly-homelegacy bios boot
18:32.48NoImNotNineVoltto bios, as opposed to efi.
18:32.50jelly-home(as opposed to uefi)
18:33.01vvujaso to say to disable UEFI
18:33.03NoImNotNineVoltbios is dead. long live bios :(
18:33.11vvujato enable legacy bios boot
18:33.14vvujaright?
18:33.16jelly-homeour windows people had to go with uefi, it was a huge pita
18:33.22vvujaok I will check it
18:33.31NoImNotNineVoltyou know, just as i finally learned how computers work, they pulled bios out from under me.
18:33.40jelly-homevvuja: afair, you don't disable it, you just enable bios and the debian installer uses it
18:33.42NoImNotNineVoltshakes a fist
18:34.04vvujaok so it is called legacy bios boot
18:34.04vvujaok
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18:34.17NoImNotNineVolti got a degree in computer engineering less than ten years ago and it's already totally obsolete :P
18:34.56NoImNotNineVoltor, well, half obsolete at least.
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18:35.16NoImNotNineVoltnow all i need is quantum computing or memristors to get big and it'll be totally obsolete.
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18:36.22jelly-homeat least you're in an industry where you can (and have to) learn new things all the time
18:36.37vvujaand it searches from legacy usb devices
18:36.41vvujanot CD-ROM or anything
18:36.48vvujaand it can use PXE boot
18:36.48NoImNotNineVoltyou say that as though it's a good thing :P
18:37.09averages/though/if/
18:37.21NoImNotNineVolts/average/grammarist/
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18:37.31jelly-homeNoImNotNineVolt: I don't want to do the same damned job until it's time to retire, so... yes
18:38.09NoImNotNineVoltshrugs
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18:39.28NoImNotNineVolthttp://www.grammaring.com/as-if-as-though
18:39.38averageas if .. I'm gonna read that..
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18:39.53NoImNotNineVoltwhom cares.
18:40.09Specas though if i'm going to read that
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18:46.26vvujacan you tell me where in bios to activate bios compatibility mode?
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18:46.41vvujaand can I read product ID so you can tell me if it is 32bit or 64bit
18:46.48Vroomfondelvvuja: it will be different in every BIOS
18:46.55vvuja32bit disc ISO image boots on reboot of blade
18:46.59vvuja64bit stops
18:47.07vvujamaybe blade server is 32bit
18:47.13vvujabut then I can not boot OS itself
18:47.20Vroomfondelwhat CPU is in it?
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18:47.30vvujaIntel XEON 2,8ghz I think
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18:47.55Vroomfondelcan you find the model number? The BIOS might tell you.
18:48.02vvujaI will wait
18:48.29vvuja7870AC1 machine model number
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18:48.54CuteAlienhi! I try to get a newer hg from backports (https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/vcs/mercurial) but "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install mercurial" always tells me I have already the newest version. But hg --version shows it's still 2.2.2 which is the old one and not the one from backports.
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18:49.27averagevvuja: http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-core-16-thread-IBM-BLADE-SERVER-HS22-7870AC1-49Y5118-E5530-2-40GHZ-24GB-RAM-/161409017906
18:49.36averagevvuja: is that the one ?
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18:49.49petn-randallCuteAlien: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy mercurial'? → http://paste.debian.net
18:49.55vvujayep that is 64bit
18:50.08vvujaI wonder why it does not boot 64bit CD ISO
18:50.10vvujaCD1
18:50.13vvujait boots 32bit
18:50.18vvujabut later on it can not boot OS
18:50.23averagei've no idea why
18:50.28jelly-homeaverage: that machine type may carry different cpu and memory configs.  But being 2009-ish, probably all the possible cpus have 64bit support
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18:50.41vvujaand firmware is updated to 2014
18:50.50vvujahow to enable bios compatibility mode
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18:50.55vvujaI just want to know that
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18:51.07petn-randallvvuja: Look in the manual of the machine.
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18:51.21CuteAlienpetn-randall, like this: http://ideone.com/cqCd7q
18:52.24petn-randallCuteAlien: And the output of 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install mercurial'?
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18:53.14CuteAlienhttp://paste.debian.net/151676/
18:53.30jelly-homevvuja: if you have access to AMM web console you can boot it from a local .iso image
18:54.03vvujathat is what I'm trying to do but I think I will need to boot older version of Debian
18:54.06vvujanot 7.8.0
18:54.18petn-randallCuteAlien: Errr ... you pinned wheezy to 1001?!
18:54.28jelly-homevvuja: which image exactly are you trying to boot?
18:54.44CuteAlienpetn-randall, ah... sins of a long past hunting me.. I darkly remember
18:54.45vvujadebian-7.8.0-amd64-cd1.iso
18:54.49vvujamoved to 6.10
18:54.59jelly-homehuh, well, it ought to work
18:55.01CuteAlienthanks :-)
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18:55.21petn-randallCuteAlien: You should never pin anything > 1000, unless you fucked up hard and want to fix that.
18:55.22jelly-homevvuja: I haven't installed debian on any of our own blades recently tho
18:55.38petn-randallCuteAlien: /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d/*
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18:55.45CuteAlienpetn-randall, I had fucked up hard and was repairing it
18:55.49petn-randall:)
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18:56.52vvujayes 6.10 works
18:56.56vvujaok I will install machine
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18:58.22jelly-homevvuja: install just the base system, then upgrade to wheezy (and hope it boots :-)
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18:59.28CuteAlienpetn-randall, do you know how /etc/apt/preferences looks by default? Was it just empty? I did this stuff long ago and forgot to revert... no longer sure how it looked before.
18:59.47jelly-homeCuteAlien: it doesn't exist at all, by default
18:59.58CuteAlienah good, thanks again!
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19:01.23CuteAlienAnd it works now :-)
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19:12.29petn-randallvvuja: Why not install via UEFI, while you're at it? It comes with some benefits.
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19:12.53vvujanow to do it?
19:13.10vvujaif you give me link to manual or you tell me how to do it I will gladly do it
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19:17.19jelly-homepetn-randall: installing via UEFI is a fucking PITA
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19:18.05jelly-home(I'm not exaggerating, coworker tried twice, wasted 2-3 days each time, and he has 5+ years linux experience)
19:21.55GNU\colossusTIL: people who generate a LOT of UUIDs on their systems using libuuid should install the "uuid-runtime"-package and ensure the `uuidd` service is running: http://paste.debian.net/151686/
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19:22.01alesanhello
19:22.27alesanI would like to create a new script in /etc/init.d so that I can initialize a peripheral specific to my system.
19:22.41alesanI plan to call such script from rcS.d directory
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19:23.05alesanthis should be executed at boot before rc2.d scripts, right?
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19:24.03jelly-homeGNU\colossus: just how many uuids does one need?
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19:24.57GNU\colossusjelly-home, well... our HTTP termination frontend will, in future, generate 1000 a second at least.
19:24.58jelly-homealesan: it really depends on when you plan to use the device
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19:25.16alesanjelly-home, it has to be initialized before X starts
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19:25.47alesanI need to load, in practice, a firmware blob to my framebuffer display
19:25.53jelly-homeGNU\colossus: also: if you find yourself missing some of that tasty entropy, have a look at haveged
19:27.00GNU\colossusjelly-home, interesting. thanks for the pointer.
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19:27.51GNU\colossus(we'll be generating time-based UUIDs though, so that's not a real concern for us.)
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19:28.36vvujagrub-install /dev/sda says that GPT partition label have no BIOS boot partitions
19:28.51vvujahow to install grub to boot my system
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19:29.30jelly-homevvuja: how large are your OS disks?
19:29.35vvuja50gb
19:29.38vvuja1gb /boot
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19:29.43vvuja2gb swap
19:29.44vvuja10 gb /
19:29.48vvuja36 gb /var
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19:30.04vvujaswap /dev/sda2
19:30.08vvuja<PROTECTED>
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19:30.24jelly-homevvuja: pick DOS MBR format partition table instead of GPT, then.  If you're using legacy bios boot.
19:30.39vvujahow to do that
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19:30.49vvujagrub-install /dev/sda then what?
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19:31.12jelly-homevvuja: you'll have to restart the installer, go way back to formatting the disk
19:31.47vvujaand then I have no option to choose which MBR format I want
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19:32.01talin_hello. on debian 7, how can i remove a service from system startup?
19:32.08vvujaI just have option to install to MBR of /dev/sda
19:32.18vvujaupdate-rc.d service disable
19:32.21talin_for example, i don't want apache to start when i start my machine
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19:32.28NoImNotNineVolt7 isn't systemd?
19:32.32vvujaupdate-rc.d apache disable
19:32.34vvujanot yet
19:32.37NoImNotNineVoltha
19:32.38talin_thank you
19:32.40vvujaDebian does not use Systemd
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19:32.48NoImNotNineVoltwait what?
19:32.48vvujanow can anyone help me with this
19:32.52vvujaI have warning
19:33.00vvujato install with blocks or something
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19:33.04vvujato MBR
19:33.05NoImNotNineVoltvvuja: debian most definitely does use systemd, but okay.
19:33.29talin_ps ax | grep -i systemd has a few entries
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19:34.36jelly-homeNoImNotNineVolt: not Debian 7, no
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19:34.52NoImNotNineVoltperhaps not debian 7 then.
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19:35.11rainfyredefinitely not debian 7. definitely yes debian 8
19:35.18jelly-homeNoImNotNineVolt: maybe it's better not to answer questions you don't have direct experience with
19:35.27vvujaas I said debian 7 does not use systemd
19:35.32vvujabecause I installed it in VirtualBox
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19:35.38vvujait still uses systemV
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19:35.43NoImNotNineVolti didn't. i was going to link to http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/three-levels-of-off, but i didn't.
19:36.02NoImNotNineVoltvvuja: you said "Debian does not use Systemd"
19:36.09jelly-homeNoImNotNineVolt: context is important.
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19:38.11jelly-homevvuja: dunno, I'd wipe the current partition table, restart the installer in expert mode, then carefully find and force it to create a DOS(MBR) partition table
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19:38.27talin_update-rc, where does it find startup services?
19:38.38vvujaI will see with my chief tomorrow
19:38.41talin_if i want to see what is currently enabled
19:38.42vvujaI done it for the day
19:39.31jelly-home!tell talin_ about update-rc.d
19:40.14jelly-hometalin_: it basically manipulates symlinks from /etc/rc?.d/ directories to scripts in /etc/init.d/
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19:41.04jelly-hometalin_: a simple thing to do is "service --status-all"
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19:41.26talin_jelly-home, thank you
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19:57.10vvujajelly-home, now the stupid part comes in
19:57.22vvujaIBM System X can not boot Debian 7.7.0-amd64.iso
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19:57.30vvujabecause System X blade server have Intel CPU
19:57.36vvujaso that does not go along
19:57.44NoImNotNineVolt?
19:57.44vvujaI must install 32bit i386 version then or what?
19:57.56NoImNotNineVoltintel produced many different architectures.
19:58.01NoImNotNineVoltincluding amd64.
19:58.17NoImNotNineVolti have no idea what a System X blade runs on though
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19:58.43vvujaIntel 64bit
19:58.51sine0debian ERROR: could not insert 'ip_tables': Exec format error
19:58.54sine0heeeelp
19:59.06NoImNotNineVoltvvuja: that's not an architecture, is it?
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19:59.27vvujawell Debian ISO is made for amd64
19:59.35vvujaI thought it has some difference with Intel 64bit
19:59.36NoImNotNineVoltamd64 is x86-64.
19:59.42vvujaok
19:59.52vvujabut it can not boot
19:59.57NoImNotNineVoltmost current 64bit intel chips are amd64 (or x86-64, same thing)
20:00.06NoImNotNineVoltthey also had the itanium architecture ia-64
20:00.10vvujaand i386 ISO boots
20:00.18vvujaI will try with i386 iso
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20:00.28NoImNotNineVoltthat's terrible though.
20:00.33NoImNotNineVoltyou'll be running a 32bit os.
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20:03.08andrilis there a option for "open as admin or root" in 7.8?
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20:04.42NoImNotNineVolt... sudo?
20:05.33guardianhello, how can I remove everything installed by the build-essential meta package? apt-get autoremove doesn't do it
20:06.41Iridosthere might be other reasons some things are installed...
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20:07.48guardianwell on a fresh jessie I did: 1. install build-essential --> lots of packages get installed; 2. apt-get purge --auto-remove build-essential --> only the meta package gets removed
20:08.27Iridoshm, but the build-essential mechanism seems to be a different one from dependencies anyway
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20:09.30Iridosat least the list in the package has diffutils, the dependencies do not
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20:11.33ampshey guys
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20:12.48adriancs35hi?
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20:13.06jelly-homevvuja: amd64 is fine for intel xeons.
20:13.19ampsi am trying to install im trying to install qt4 but am having issues
20:13.29adriancs35ehm, can someone help me fix  a apt-get problem?
20:13.42jelly-homeadriancs35: if you're using debian, yes
20:13.49adriancs35Yes i do!
20:14.06ampshttp://pastebin.com/myW993tw
20:14.08jelly-home!basic apt troubleshooting
20:14.08dpkgIn order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
20:14.15ampsanyone know how to resolve this?
20:14.23todd__Can someone provide the URL to where I can find the spec file for perl? The perl on my ubuntu desktop is linked with libperl.so, but when I build perl from source, it is statically compiled. I am trying to figure out which option(s) to use to cause perl to built linked with libperl, and I thought looking at the spec file for debian perl would be a good place to look.
20:15.03jelly-homeadriancs35: follow what dpkg said above.  put requested information into an entry at http://paste.debian.net
20:15.12adriancs35Ok
20:15.13bazhangwhat about #perl todd__
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20:15.33todd__I will check #perl
20:16.50jelly-hometodd__: ask the #ubuntu channel about how to get correct deb-src repos for your distro, then do "apt-get source perl" in an empty directory and look at build scripts inside the unpacked source (debian/ subdirectory, debian/rules being the main makefile to look at)
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20:17.24jelly-homebazhang: #perl is not likely to help him get the correct build invocation for his distro
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20:17.33adriancs35here it is : http://paste.debian.net/151729/
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20:18.10ampsjelly-home: heres the additional output you asked for: http://pastebin.com/QS1rgVuf
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20:18.37jelly-homeadriancs35: also "apt-cache policy lib64readline-gplv2-dev:i386 lib64ncurses5-dev:i386 libc6-dev-amd64:i386" please
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20:19.15adriancs35Yap, sure: http://paste.debian.net/151730/
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20:19.27ampsany ideas why i cant install qt4?
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20:20.10adriancs35So, I've been trying to install some gcc packages, from a project's wiki, and now i do get this stuff.
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20:20.38bazhangjelly-home, sure. he seems to be using ubuntu as well
20:20.49bazhangor just cross posting there
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20:21.40jelly-homeadriancs35: weird.  what does "apt-get -f install" say?
20:22.17adriancs35I know right? http://paste.debian.net/151731/
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20:23.19ampsanyone?
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20:24.24jelly-homeadriancs35: eh.  remove all those packages you tried to install.  What's the real goal?
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20:24.49adriancs35Ehm what do you mean?
20:25.07todd__jelly-home : thanks. Thats just what I needed.
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20:26.01jelly-homeadriancs35: dpkg --remove lib64readline-gplv2-dev:i386 lib64ncurses5-dev:i386 libc6-dev-amd64:i386; apt-get -f install
20:26.42jelly-homeamps: what does "aptitude install libqt4-core" say?
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20:27.22adriancs35Uhm...yeah http://paste.debian.net/151734/
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20:33.00guardianis there an easy way when installing a meta package, to get a list of install that would be automatically installed. bonus point: as a string so that I can script my stuff and uninstall them afterwards
20:33.38Iridos"apt-get install some-meta-package"?
20:33.57Iridosit tells you/asks you if it shall proceed with the install anyway
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20:35.01guardianI want to automate things
20:35.14guardianinstall build-essential, compile things, then reduce the box size
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20:37.47Iridosguardian, pbuilder?
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20:38.32x265nobphow can i  play x265 files on wheezy without installing any backports?
20:38.43jelly-homeadriancs35: mmm.  well then, let's tell apt not to install those.  apt-get remove  lib64readline-gplv2-dev:i386 lib64ncurses5-dev:i386 libc6-dev-amd64:i386
20:38.45Iridosmplayer?
20:39.05x265nobpIridos, you talkin to me?
20:39.11Iridossure
20:39.17guardianIridos: I want to script the reduction of a debian base box for vagrant
20:39.23jelly-homex265nobp: do you meanH.265?
20:39.42adriancs35jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/151743/
20:39.46bazhang,v x265
20:39.48juddPackage: x265 on i386 -- sid: 1.4-5; sid-multimedia: 1.5-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.5-dmo1
20:39.57jelly-homex265nobp: x265 is a library, not a codec
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20:40.23jelly-homeadriancs35: that seems fine.
20:40.42jelly-homeadriancs35: now, what did you intend to achieve in the first place?
20:42.00adriancs35jelly, i was trying to install this: "apt-get install build-essential autoconf libtool gcc g++ make cmake subversion git patch wget links zip unzip openssl libssl-dev mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev libmysql++-dev libreadline-gplv2 dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev git-core libace-dev libncurses5-dev"
20:42.20x265nobpIridos, jelly-home : i could not play wolf.hall.s01e04.the.devil.spit.720p.hdtv.x265.rmteam.mkv. i tried both vlc, smplayer and plain mplayer
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20:45.43Iridosx265nobp,  it's only a suspicion...  but there is w64codecs in debian-multimedia
20:48.46x265nobpa suspicion?
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20:49.13bazhangw64 codecs I doubt will help there
20:49.29bazhangmplayer should play it perfectly well
20:49.30Iridosabout what your file may contain
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20:49.50Iridosanyway, time to go home
20:49.56bazhangplus its a terrible show
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20:51.25jelly-homex265nobp: no way to do it without backports, or some other third-party build of recent ffmpeg or x265
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20:52.25bazhanginstall x265 and handbrake and convert to m4v, see what errors occur
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20:54.06turtlehathello fellas, is there any way to make port 80 unpriviledged?
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20:56.11turtlehati know i can redirect with iptables, or set capabilities or (god forgive) add to sudoers,.. but is there a way to just make the system not care that regular users use that port?
20:56.43smwturtlehat, hah, you just named two things I was writing in that order...
20:56.53smwturtlehat, the answer is no afaik
20:57.03turtlehathmm ok
20:57.05smwturtlehat, you don't want to lower your security like that anyways...
20:57.14turtlehatYOU DONT KNOW WHAT I WANT
20:57.18turtlehatthanks anyway though
20:57.18turtlehat:p
20:57.20smwturtlehat, the iptables one would be much preferable
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20:57.31turtlehatyea but it just feels ... inelegant
20:57.50turtlehat*shrug* i spose ill have to
20:58.08smwturtlehat, allowing unprivileged users to use the smtp port would be unwise ;-)
20:58.23turtlehatjust out of curiosity, why does it lower security to allow random users to serve stuff on that port?
20:58.30turtlehatnot smtp
20:58.32turtlehatbut http
20:59.01smwit wouldn't much, a port forward would do that.
20:59.31turtlehathmm ... ok
20:59.51smwturtlehat, ah, here is the answer: sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh=0
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21:00.04smwturtlehat, I recommend not doing that ;-)
21:00.05turtlehatwohoo!
21:00.09xnor2can someone help me test seeding speed of a torrent?
21:00.18turtlehattotally gonna go against recommendation
21:00.22turtlehatyoure my hero smw
21:00.24xnor2you'd just need to download for a few seconds with at least 1 MB/s
21:00.31smwturtlehat, http://yaws.hyber.org/privbind.yaws
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21:00.57smwturtlehat, seriously, use setcap
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21:01.44smwturtlehat, I am starting to regret my policy of telling people where their foot is when the insist on shooting it.
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21:02.05turtlehati have band-aid
21:02.19turtlehatsmw, my philosophy is that i will only learn from getting hurt
21:02.25turtlehatand this seems liek a fine way to get hurt
21:02.39smw"Experience is the greatest teacher"...
21:02.51smwturtlehat, "for fools learn no other way"
21:02.54turtlehatsmw, i think i will go with setcap, but its nice to get the knowledge, ya know
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21:04.08smwturtlehat, :-)
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21:07.46turtlehatworked with setcap, but having to install something to take something away hurts a little
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21:14.31xnor2so can someone help me find out why transmission doesn't seed?
21:14.49xnor2just downloading for a few seconds would help me
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21:16.54YpoI'll help xnor2
21:17.48xnor2Ypo: can you use a magnet link, or do you need a .torrent file?
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21:17.56Ypomagnets are fine
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21:18.49xnor2I msg'd you
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21:30.55StolenToastHey, I am trying to add a script to init.d but insserv complains about a broken LSB, even though I am sure it has a valid LSB that reflects the format here: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
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21:37.29StolenToastspecifically it lists the 5 parameters, but they are clearly there
21:37.33knosysHi. I am having a problem using virtualbox in jessie. I cant get vboxdrv to work properly. Cant start any virtual machine, even a new one. Do someone know about this? Also cant do the command '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' it looks like it doesnt exist there
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21:38.27mtnknosys: have you told the new virtual machine to boot an iso?
21:38.40knosysno
21:38.43knosysan ova file
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21:38.53mtnknosys: it can't boot without something to boot
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21:39.22knosysi already have a virtual machine file, so i try to run it
21:39.25knosyswhat do you mean?
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21:39.57mtnknosys: so you imported an ova file, is that what you mean?
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21:43.19knosysyes. also when starting a new one, i got the drv error
21:43.41mtnknosys: did you install virtualbox using the package manager?
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21:44.06knosysdebian packages, apt-get
21:44.27knosysfrom a terminal
21:44.30mtnknosys: hmm, I didn't have any of those problems when I installed virtualbox on jessie
21:45.07knosysneither did I last time I installed jessie on the dsame machine. its weird
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21:45.16mtnknosys: did you try modprobing vboxdrv?
21:45.35knosysif i look for information , there are issues related to os kernel updates or changes, but thats not my case
21:45.44knosysyes, but cant find it
21:45.51knosysits a FATAL
21:46.09mtnknosys: something went badly wrong during the install or didn't install everything
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21:46.40knosysi tried to remove purge and installing again, but no luck that way
21:47.04Ypoknosys, make sure you install either virtualbox-dkms or virtualbox-source too
21:47.19knosysdkms should do the job thanks , i will try
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21:49.43knosyssudo: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: command not found
21:49.57knosysmodprobe: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
21:50.22knosysalready installed virtualbox-source. dkms was already installed
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21:52.59StolenToastin case anyone has any insight for my problem here is the script I am trying to install: https://github.com/sandain/MinecraftServerControlScript/blob/master/minecraft_server
21:53.11StolenToastit's a minecraft server maintenence script
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21:53.44StolenToastI received this same error with a different script as well, which also had a valid LSB that contained the entries that were supposedly missing
21:54.42knosysYpo: do you think that not formatting /home partition from earlier jessie installation could be a problem ?
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21:55.14knosysit doesnt look like a configuration folder in home directory could cause this..
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21:56.50dutchfishknosys, just in case you installed kernel drivers, did you check initramfs got properly updated as well?
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22:00.43knosysshould i install initramfs-tools?
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22:00.55dutchfish!initramfs
22:00.55dpkghmm... initramfs is the new <initrd>.  See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>.  See also <targeted>.  http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs
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22:02.40dutchfishmm.. thats pretty old phrases, update-initramfs manpages should explain mre to get you going, also check dmesg output
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22:04.48dutchfishyep, thats prolly it see: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#The_character_device_.2Fdev.2Fvboxdrv_does_not_exist
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22:06.18dutchfishknosys, of couse you need the right virtualbox-ose-modules for your kernel to make this happen
22:07.28knosysvirtualbox-dkms seems to be installed
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22:08.54dutchfishknosys, did you install from bpo?
22:09.16knosyswhat is bpo? :D
22:09.30knosysI installed via debian repositories
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22:09.58knosysBut, i have been trying different mirrors, so i found a secondary mirror that improves download speed.. But is ftp.rediris.es
22:10.01knosysit should be fine
22:10.09knosysits on the debian.org website
22:10.39dutchfishknosys, no what i ment is from backports repository; see: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22_Backports
22:11.08knosysOh, no i didnt, at least i didnt specified. I just cast 'sudo apt-get install virtualbox'
22:11.54dutchfishknosys, and you are running wheezy?
22:12.02knosysjessie
22:12.07dutchfishah ok
22:12.42dutchfishknosys, and installed the headers too form the same kernel? see: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_.22Jessie.22_.28testing.29
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22:13.21knosysoh never did taht
22:13.26knosysthanks you
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22:13.34dutchfishknosys, if so, you can update-initramfs and you have it loaded on boot
22:13.44dutchfishyw
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22:14.18knosysshould i reboot the system'
22:14.20knosys?
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22:14.55knosysafter update-initramfs?
22:14.58dutchfishknosys, install the headers, update-initramfs; then you can either modprobe [foo] or reboot
22:15.35dutchfish(modules will be loaded either way)
22:15.46dutchfishhave fun
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22:16.09knosysdidnt worked dutchfish
22:16.18dutchfishany errors?
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22:16.35knosysno, everything fine except that cant modprobe vboxdrv
22:16.42knosysmodprobe: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
22:17.16dutchfishthen you dkms is not generated correctly, rinse and repeat now that you installed the correct kernel-headers
22:17.30knosyswait... i had virtualbox running the whole time
22:17.31kirbhi, so I'm trying to compile APT for (mac) os x; https://github.com/hbang/apt. i had to add some files containing functions absent from os x in apt-pkg/macosx but i get: https://ghostbin.com/paste/ccp2g. any ideas?
22:17.33knosyseven when uninstalled
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22:18.02dutchfishknosys, yes, but once you reboot, after uninstalling the modules are gone
22:18.27knosysI will reboot and check
22:18.32knosysthanks, see you
22:18.37dutchfishok
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22:20.23knosysno luck
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22:21.09dutchfishknosys, the recreate with dmks, because now you have installed the right headers, needed to succesfuuly create it
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22:22.35dutchfishknosys, then again update-initramfs again
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22:24.45dutchfishknosys, or test them to load correctly with modprobe, before you finally reboot
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22:31.58knosysdutchfish: how can i recreate?
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22:32.59dutchfishknosys, dkms remove ; see: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelDKMS
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22:33.15knosysthanks
22:33.36dutchfishknosys, then do the whole enchelada again
22:34.10dutchfishknosys, the 'right' kernel-headers are needed to make this work
22:34.22dutchfishyw
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22:35.14knosysits supposed i installed the last time with the right headers
22:35.59vol4kowhy i can't install nginx 1.6
22:36.06vol4koit automatically install 1.2
22:36.12vol4ko:S
22:36.22vol4koi tried reinstalling it at least 10 times
22:36.26vol4kowithout success
22:38.03dutchfish,version nginx
22:38.04juddPackage: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; sid: 1.6.2-5; jessie: 1.6.2-5
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22:38.31vol4koonly exists in backports
22:38.37vol4kohow can i install it from here?
22:38.44dutchfishvol4ko, if you insist on 1.6 and are on wheezy, try backports
22:38.50dutchfish!bpo
22:38.51dpkgbackports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers.  Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/.  See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
22:38.53themillvol4ko: just as it says on the instructions page for wheezy-backports
22:39.15vol4koi just want to use latest version. i don't want to use version from 2011
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22:41.21themilljftr 1.2.1 was first uploaded in 2012; the version you have in wheezy is from Sep 2014.
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22:42.05vol4koso you say 1.2.1-2-2 is the same as 1.6.2?
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22:42.21themillNot at all.
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22:43.55kirbany ideas about my apt compilation issue above?
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22:47.47dutchfishkirb, rules file missing, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/  specially the part, compiling from git
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22:49.25dutchfishkirb, also https://github.com/hbang/apt/blob/macosx/README.make
22:50.04dutchfishkirb, btw, if you encounter bugs, best place to ask is at the devs
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22:51.55kirbdutchfish: aha. thanks. where is "at the devs"? (<-- noob :p)
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22:52.38dutchfishkirb, maybe #debian-mentors or mail the git repo owner
22:52.42knosysdutchfish: i dont get it to remove the vboxdrv man
22:53.34dutchfishknosys, it is on the wiki page i gave you the link; use dpkg -l to the correct naming convention and the example given
22:54.16dutchfishknosys, dkms remove -m <name> -v <version> --all || true
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22:55.30knosysabout the version, how to check?
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22:55.41knosysthe module name is vboxdrv right?
22:55.57dutchfishknosys, right
22:56.12knosysmodinfo
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22:56.20dutchfishknosys, or check you logs
22:56.35dutchfishknosys, they should contain the version
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22:57.00knosyswhat log? terminal? When installed virtualbox?
22:57.45dutchfishknosys, dkms build log
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22:58.12knosysoook, thanks i will look into it
22:58.58kirbdutchfish: thanks. also when you say bugs, that includes bugs specific to os x or am i on my own?
22:59.01dutchfishknosys, or look at /usr/src/<name>-<version>/dkms.conf
22:59.21dutchfishkirb, as long as it is debian, you can ask
22:59.44kirbcool, thanks.
22:59.54dutchfishkirb, but rem that spinoffs from debian are not supported
23:00.00dutchfishyw
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23:04.10knosysdutchfish: Error! There are no instances of module: vboxdrv
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23:05.41dutchfishknosys, then check /usr/src/<name>-<version>/dkms.conf closely; if nit is not there; rinse and report to build it with dlms
23:05.51dutchfishs/nit/it
23:06.04dutchfishsorry for my typos
23:06.15dutchfishknosys, then check /usr/src/<name>-<version>/dkms.conf closely; if it is not there; rinse and report to build it with dkms
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23:06.51knosysif <name> should be vboxdrv , there is not
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23:06.58knosysbut there is virtual box 4.3.18
23:08.04dutchfishknosys, yes
23:08.16dutchfishknosys, the module name itself is not the same
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23:09.05dutchfishknosys, /usr/src/ hold the correct name for the dkms remove statement
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23:09.20dutchfishknosys, and version
23:09.46dutchfishits a bit confusing as a primer, i admit
23:10.23knosysinside src there are only 4 directories: Linux headers, linux-headers-common, linux-kbuild, virtualbox-4.3.18
23:10.49knosysi dont find any virtualbox module names there
23:10.54knosysjust the program itself
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23:11.20dutchfishknosys, then it should prolly be something like: dkms remove -m virtualbox -v 4.3.18
23:11.22knosysyes, I am sorry , I may be thick today
23:11.34dutchfishnp
23:11.38knosysah, the whole thing?
23:11.39knosysok
23:11.41knosysi will do that
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23:13.20vol4koguys, i am using minimal image
23:13.37vol4koi know my vps what's the problem but i don't know what was the name of the package to install
23:13.48vol4koi need the blue prompt, for example if you installing it via ssh
23:14.17vol4koit shows black and not visually enaugh good to see whats happening
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23:15.15knosysor build
23:16.08dutchfishknosys, the same as you did before building it; see the wiki; i gave you the link
23:16.26dutchfishvol4ko, https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables
23:17.19dutchfishguys, sorry its bedtime for me; gl
23:17.48Starr:)
23:18.11StarrzzzzZZZzz
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23:28.43volcko__guys, when installing something on ubuntu via ssh. It prompts with pink or blue screen in Terminal
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23:29.07volcko__What was the name of that package? As i am missing it and its hard to install something
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23:36.35volcko__So, How can i make prompt look like this? http://www.raspipress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/phpmyadmin-installation-config.jpg . There was an package that need to be installed but i don't remember
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23:40.16valdynvolcko__: "dialog" probably, "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and you can select the "Dialog" interface.
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23:41.52valdynvolcko__: no, the dialog package is not required
23:43.54volcko__thank you valdyn
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23:55.11Komandaprintf 'GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: requestb.in\r\nConnection: close\r\n\r\n' | nc www.requestb.in 80
23:55.15Komandawww.requestb.in: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host : Connection timed out
23:55.19Komandawhy is that?
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23:59.23themillKomanda: because www.requestb.in doesn't seem to exist

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