IRC log for #debian on 20150220

00:00.06minibarthe generation was really fast, even though it says it might take a while
00:00.15themillminibar: so what's the full output of "locale" now (please use a pastebin)
00:00.21DasEideuterium: so first try to reinstall grub then, either by a rescue cd like supergrub or http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/reinstalling-grub-on-unbootable-debian/  , I also can give you the commands from a live cd /w shell, but I'd have to fetch my nottes for that
00:00.48themillminibar: the output of "env | grep -e ^LC -e ^LANG" would also be good to see
00:00.52minibarthemill the same as before: https://dpaste.de/JktS
00:01.03minibarLANG=en_US.UTF-8
00:01.06Brigominibar, are you doing it as root?
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00:01.21DasEideuterium: and again, is the disk crypted ?
00:02.02minibarBrigo is that the problem?
00:02.23Brigominibar, no it is right.
00:02.41minibarI'm loged in as root in fact
00:03.14DasEiminibar: could you give nick in conversations ? else it can get messy, if more than on user doesn't, second there is highlighting then
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00:03.47tharkunI cp netinst into an 8GB usb stick, how can I restore it to its original size?
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00:03.59minibarDasEi yes
00:04.08DasEitharkun: gparted
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00:04.27DasEiminibar: ty
00:04.31tharkunIs there a non gui way?
00:04.40minibarthemill env | grep -e ^LC -e ^LANG: LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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00:04.59themilltharkun: parted ;)
00:05.12tharkunlol
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00:06.13DasEitharkun: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/fdisk_partitioning.html
00:06.28themillminibar: have you used something like localepurge in the past?
00:07.06DasEitharkun: from cmd you need two steps, first the partiton table, then the actuall formatting
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00:08.43DasEitharkun: man parted, man fdisk
00:09.16tharkunDasEi: Thanks fdisk and mke2fs are my usual weapons of choice ;P
00:09.46tharkunFat32 is the most common filesystem type for a usb stick right?
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00:10.00tharkunA 1GB usb stick
00:10.01minibarthemill no, just installed the system with debootstrap
00:10.04DasEitharkun: there you go, why asking then ?
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00:10.51tharkunDasEi: Because I'm lazy at reading the latest greates stuff. Maybe just maybe someone did a unfubar program that will saave me keystrokes. ;P
00:10.51DasEitharkun: fat32 is most common, but dpending on purpose other FS#s are possible too
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00:11.09ninjazachYes, especially if you want to use it on Windows machines.
00:11.12DasEitharkun: lol, gparted gui
00:11.16tharkunDasEi: This is the office carry this big stuff around ;P
00:11.27dopesmokergparted gui is awesome, no jokes plx
00:11.40minibartharkun fat32 doesn't support files bigger than 4GB
00:11.48tharkunDasEi: Only keyboard and tty no X around on this server.
00:11.50minibarfatx does
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00:11.53ninjazachdopesmoker: do you smoke dope
00:11.54DasEiminibar: 1 G stick
00:12.02minibarops :)
00:12.05tharkunminibar: Will take that into account Thanks
00:12.35dopesmokerninjazach: of course
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00:13.11ninjazachJust wondering.
00:13.24DasEitharkun: I also experienced that tools like unetbootin of are not working if other then Fat is used, though if using f.e. dd for that purpose the dd part is other than fat
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00:13.48DasEi*of=often  , tharkun
00:14.16DasEideuterium: you get by ?
00:14.21tharkunDasEi: dd is too slow for my taste now a days. Used it long ago but cp does the job I want.
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00:14.57deuteriumDasEi: i'm sweating a bit over here.. but trying some approaches
00:15.09DasEitharkun: if it works for you, fine, err bootable ? ok...
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00:15.39DasEideuterium: k, don't get driven mad and ask again if getting stuck#
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00:15.49deuteriumDasEi: ok, thx :)
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00:18.50ninjazachhardcore
00:19.12ruukasuthat was interesting
00:19.13DasEininjazach: lol, nickflood
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00:19.28ninjazachWhere are the 15 year old kids at?
00:19.29tharkunI've got an isue in Debian that it locks the brightness to 0% when connecting an extra monito in the VGA port. While using the Greeter GDM When entering gnome it can be altered using the regular brightness keys.
00:19.50tharkunIf instead of gnome I use notion the brightness keys just fall dead.
00:19.51FishyEdit xorg.conf
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00:20.38tharkunFishy: This happens on a T440p and If I should edit xorg.conf How would that help?
00:20.50linuxthefish:o
00:20.53linuxthefishslaps Fishy around a bit with a large trout
00:21.08Fishytharkun, Easy, just use an vga to hdmi adapter.
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00:21.23FishyWhile you are at it get a 50inch tv
00:21.36duckx0rI was playing around with lvm on a server of mine and I reduced the size of my /home volume but didn't resize the file system first, and now I can't mount it (I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/resdb-home"). How can I fix it? I don't mind losing the data on it.
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00:21.57dondelelcarotharkun: the brightness of the external monitor, I'm guessing?
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00:22.11tharkundondelelcaro: no, the brightnes on the LCD screen
00:22.21dondelelcarotharkun: ah; that's kind of odd.
00:22.29tharkunThe brightness on the VGA monitor is set on it.
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00:22.55tharkundondelelcaro: That only happens in Debian. I tried Fedora 20 and it worked fine, I tried Ubuntu and it worked fine.
00:23.16tharkunYou tell me what you want to see and I'll post it.
00:23.19dondelelcarotharkun: yeah; that doesn't happen here with my x200. I wonder if it's some setting in gnome
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00:23.48dondelelcarotharkun: but once you bring up the brightness on the LCD, it's OK again?
00:23.59tharkunduckx0r: There is a post that explains exactly that the easiest way is to nuke your homepartition and rebuild it after
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00:24.21tharkundondelelcaro: as long as you are inside gnome. If you fall back to gdm it goes back to 0%
00:24.38dondelelcarotharkun: huh; that's pretty odd.
00:24.46duckx0rtharkun, ok good idea. thanks
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00:26.36tharkundondelelcaro: If I turn the computer on. Then I connect the VGA display afterwards the brightness of the internal LCD display goes to 0%
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00:27.29dondelelcarotharkun: hrm; it almost makes me wonder if it's something like laptop mode or similar trying to be helpful and preserving battery power when an external display is plugged in
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00:28.38tharkundondelelcaro: What is my google search term. I'm totally lost on this one.
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00:29.59dondelelcarotharkun: hrm... there's apparently one thread that i see, but it just looks like it's on some hardware
00:30.27tharkunintel graphics?
00:30.37minibaranyone able to help me?
00:31.08acz32hi, i'm getting these benign messages when i start my computer. it doesn't seem to affect anything and nothing seems broken. does anyone know why? https://i.imgur.com/aM4OZP8.jpg
00:31.13dondelelcarotharkun: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1194148
00:31.18dondelelcarotharkun: no, nvidia
00:31.21minibarlocale says: https://dpaste.de/RarW
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00:32.31tharkundondelelcaro: Well guess it is something specific to Debian guess I need to figure out how to debug gdm (NOT PLEASENT)
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00:45.26bobbyr_I need to reinstall debian on one of my machines due to a crappy partition scheme... are there any tools out there that might help me to migrate all of my existing data and packages and whatnot with the least amount of hassle?
00:45.28minibarI just installed debian wheezy with debootstrap on arch and configured locales. I keep getting this: https://dpaste.de/RarW
00:46.56zeeblebobbyr_ You could take a backup of your /home dir. And if you have compiled any packages, a backup of /usr/local/, else you can ignore that.
00:47.22zeebleAnd to get a list of your currently installed packages, just use dpkg to list all the installed packages.
00:47.53bobbyr_would it be appropriate to backup /etc as well?
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00:48.45zeeblebobbyr_: You could, but there's nothing there for me that is relevant. It might contain your apt config, and network config but then you need to set these up during your install anyway
00:49.04zeeblebobbyr_: What sort of machine is this, btw? A server, or a local workstation?
00:49.10bobbyr_A server
00:49.22zeebleCan't imagine a "server" running with a "crappy partition scheme"
00:49.34humboti keep my /etc and my dotfiles even if just for reference
00:49.37zeebleBleh. Then might think of backing up /etc/  and /var/
00:50.00bobbyr_The server was using the debian default multi partition scheme
00:50.06bobbyr_which is shitty by defauly
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00:50.16bobbyr_that's the sole reason that i'm reinstalling
00:50.19zeebleMake sure you note which kernel modules are loaded ..
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00:51.27zeebleYou also got to have a recent backup of the server? If anything happens, can refer to that
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00:51.34bobbyr_and as for my dbs and whatnot, gotta back those up manually as well?
00:51.52bobbyr_I'm just swapping out HDDs
00:51.56teraflopszeeble: so if there is i.e a ldap server a custom openssh config ftp apache nginx etc etc its not relevant to backup /etc?
00:52.07bobbyr_so yeah, I'll have everything backed up just in case
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00:52.38zeebleteraflops: I first thought it is a local machine, man. Wouldn't back up everything there. But on a server, the assumption is you have all the data backed up anyway ..
00:52.41bobbyr_teraflops: that's why I brought it up =D
00:53.37bobbyr_I have pg backing up regularly, which is probably the most important thing, but I have lots of service files and whatnot
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00:54.22bobbyr_nothing is documented terribly well, so I'm hoping I can just copy over /etc /homek and /usr/local and be done with it
00:54.38bobbyr_but also there are crons... tons of little things
00:55.19bobbyr_which is why some kind of automated backup would be super helpful
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00:58.10zeebleOn my machines, I end up having /etc, /home, /opt, /var and any other partitions that i'd have created under /data and just remount them after installing
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01:37.14dgriffihas anyone here sucessfully mounted a Samsung Galaxy S5 through Bluetooth?
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01:51.35bobbyr_Another question...
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01:52.23bobbyr_So I want to do a full backup of my system, but the rootfs doesn't have enough freespace available
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02:04.48bobbyr_So the question is, can I do this?
02:04.49bobbyr_https://dpaste.de/Nq3p
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02:08.20joshumaxHi, I'm trying to cross-compile dpkg for an armv7-based board, but I've run into a strange problem... Running configure results in a fatal error that states that `arm [is] not found in cputable`, although I've checked and arm is indeed in the cpu table list...
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02:57.50zoyyowhich browser is easy tu use?firefox or chrome
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03:03.03retroisprestohey. where can i get a amd64 debian install image which is under 650mb for my macpro1,1 (has efi32)
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03:03.29retroisprestohttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnIntelMacPro ia using a depreciated version of debian (lenny)
03:03.30SirLagzretroispresto: the netinstall CD ?
03:03.50retroisprestoregular amd64 images are efi64, not efi32
03:04.06SirLagzoh right
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03:11.57la_maquinadgriffi: it should work with gnome file manager, or you can use the terminal with obexfs
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03:20.27poccere-China。
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03:36.02shmutalovHello to all!
03:36.39shmutalovCan someone help? Why I can't close any nautilus window while I typed some search keyword?
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03:53.07DANtheBEASTmanwhat's the difference between adding deb-src....stable and deb-src....wheezy right now? besides the fact that wheezy points at the actual release and stable would just be whatever's currently stable?
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03:55.31themillDANtheBEASTman: having "stable" in the sources.list is always going to end badly and is not recommended. It won't automatically screw your machine for a deb-src line, but if it makes no sense for binary packages, it makes no sense for source packages either.
03:55.43themill(additionally, do you even need to source packages?)
03:56.46dvsDANtheBEASTman: Because using stable will automatically update you to Jessie in an uncontrolled way once Jessie becomes stable.
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03:57.29polyphagiaso the recommended way to upgrade would be to change it to jessie once it's officially released?
03:57.42dvspolyphagia: no, it's not
03:57.49dvsthat's the point
03:57.55themilldpkg wheezy->jessie
03:57.55dpkgRemember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support to be cautious; ask me about <testing security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie.  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
03:58.08polyphagiathat's what i meant
03:58.12polyphagiachanging wheezy->jessie
03:58.13themillsee, even the bots shout at about that...
03:58.20polyphagiawhen it's out
03:58.28themillpolyphagia: no, you need to do more than that.
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03:58.34themillthat's the point.
03:58.39polyphagiaoh ok
03:58.41dvshmm....
03:58.52themilldvs: there seems to be an echo in here
03:58.57dvsecho?
03:59.01themillecho
03:59.07dvsheh
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04:02.15shmutalov[08:36] <shmutalov> Can someone help? Why I can't close any nautilus window while I typed some search keyword?
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04:02.47shmutalov^ Is it bug?
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05:12.52trystenwhat's a good thing to maintain a ssh tunnel link? services?
05:13.51themillautossh
05:14.05trystenthank you themill
05:14.26themillYou'll find init scripts kicking around that help you start up some tunnels at boot time.
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05:15.57trysteni think i want something to make many green boxes. then a red box if ssh tunnel is not working or if i crash some daemon
05:16.42trystenautossh is very nice. thank you for showing me. i don't need it at boot time but i would like to be appraised of it's status
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05:18.41trystenoh i see. doh
05:19.50themillI normally don't find I need to be appraised of its status. Either the network is up and the tunnel is up or the network is down
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08:26.05ErfanBsHi, i installed debian but i don't have any desktop (gnomme,kde or ....), i just see bash !
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08:29.05ErfanBshow i can fix my problem ? (read my last message)
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08:35.08ElectrobuzErfanBs, please install the xserver
08:36.29Electrobuzabator what do you doing with your virtual machine?
08:36.43Sergio965What is best? What-what is best?
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08:42.38bllerMorning people
08:43.26IridosEr...
08:43.47Iridosdpkg, best
08:43.47dpkgBest for what?  Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play!  Anyone for Tennis!
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08:59.13IridosDr. Best!
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09:16.08darxmurfDoes it exists specific servers to archive datas ? not on tape but I remember something about specific "strong" machines for that ?
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09:16.31darxmurflike kind of fat machines with shitloads of Tb
09:16.37darxmurfslow but safe
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09:18.14darxmurfit would be to store scientific datas for 5 to 10 years
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09:45.51^BARrE|^hi guys i need some help
09:46.13^BARrE|^cant access win7 share on network
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09:46.33^BARrE|^access should be no password or login required
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09:53.12^BARrE|^any help?
09:53.28darxmurfyou have to enable the guests access
09:53.38darxmurfand allow it in the firewall too
09:53.50^BARrE|^ok
09:54.03^BARrE|^now openssh-server
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09:54.19^BARrE|^i cant connect from networked computer
09:54.47darxmurffrom linux to linux ?
09:55.00darxmurfor you installed openssh-server on windows ?
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09:57.20^BARrE|^from win7 to debian jessie
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09:58.25darxmurfdid you install openssh-server on it ? :D
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09:58.37darxmurfand which client are you using from windows ?
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10:02.14darxmurf><(((°> ><(((°> ><(((°> ><(((°>
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10:09.24^BARrE|^i installed opedssh-server on it, running putty client on win7
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10:12.32ChrisH^BARrE|^: And what is the error messsage with putty? You need to tell a bit more
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10:16.07Hans-Martinhi folks, I'm looking for a way to manage LVM volumes remotely. The server with the LVM disks should not need to have local X etc if possible (it's a VM host and should have as few as possible potential security risks)
10:16.25Hans-MartinOf course I can use the LVM commandline...
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10:17.08babilenHans-Martin: http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.lvm.html
10:17.25babilenAh, ECHAN. But well, still applies :D
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10:18.40^BARrE|^hold up ill get the error message
10:19.01Hans-Martinok, that would involve saltstack. I'd have to check whether that is an option.
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10:25.59ChrisHHans-Martin: What other way does exists to handle LVM stuff that needs X installed?  LVM commandline is clear, easy to use and fast.
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10:26.51ChrisH^BARrE|^: connection refused means: sshd is not running on your server. check a) if sshd is started  b) server is pingable from client
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10:27.42darxmurf^BARrE|^: do you have iptables rules on your linux machine ? are they on the same network, windows can ping linux ?
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10:27.59Hans-MartinChrisH: that's right, but some info can be processed more easily if it's visual (for example, disk usage) and for some operations (such as resizing filesystems) order of operation is crucial, and you can easily shoot yourself in the foot.
10:28.10^BARrE|^yes win7 can ping linux
10:28.19^BARrE|^sshd is not running
10:28.23darxmurf^BARrE|^: do you have restrictions on your /etc/hosts.allow file ?
10:28.29darxmurfs/on/in/
10:28.40darxmurfis openssh-server running ?
10:28.50^BARrE|^no its not
10:29.22darxmurfwell well well
10:30.01^BARrE|^i installed it but its not running how do i start it
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10:30.13ChrisHHans-Martin: lvextend -L+10G /dev/vg00/lvdata ; resize2fs /dev/vg00/lvdata  ; there is not much room to shoot yourself into your foot
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10:30.55darxmurfwhat do you have with this ?
10:31.08joshumaxHi, I have a quick hypothetical question...say a random user logs in as root and starts deleting a few arbitrary files from the filesystem while magically not leaving a trace of what they did...is there a way to get apt/dpkg to reinstall only the packages that when reinstalled will repair the missing files?
10:31.28Hans-MartinChrisH: well you could shrink a LV before you shrink the filesystem in it :-) A sufficiently creative sysadmin can shoot his foot with almost anything...
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10:33.36ChrisHHans-Martin: shrinking Filesystem in real-world does most times not work... I did never needed to do it till now... the past 20 years. Keep the Filesystem small at the beginning and keep spare in the VG.   shrinking is no online operation.
10:33.47tremonlvextend has a -r option nowadays that automatically resizes the filesystem. Less foot-shooting required
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10:36.14fraffjoshumax: it's possible looping on /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, reading content, check every file/dir is there or reinstall
10:36.45joshumaxThat sounds terribly hackish
10:37.19joshumaxUgh my platform is the worst to port dpkg to though...
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10:38.25tremonjoshumax: you could use something like debsums, but I'm not sure if it will detect missing files lacking checksums (e.g. /etc, /var, packages shipped without sums)
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10:39.05joshumaxyeah...the problem is the way my platform target works
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10:39.44joshumaxit has two partitions... a rootfs partition and an external data partition...
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10:40.01moumouttehello all,
10:40.13moumoutteI've just a question about dock station with lenovo
10:40.26joshumaxthe problem is tyhe rootfs partition is meant to be reflashed during an upgrade and not using a package manager...
10:40.33moumoutteI've got a dock with 3 video output
10:40.42joshumaxs/tyhe/the/
10:41.04moumouttewhen I pluged the laptop on the dock, with HDMI and VGA, HMDI and VGA are duplicate, but the display manager just detect the VGA screen
10:41.14moumoutteso I cannot configure two additional screen
10:41.36tremonjoshumax: if you have a known-good filesystem image, why go through the hassle of trying to salvage anything at all?
10:41.52joshumaxBut packages can be installed to the second immutable partition as well...
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10:42.20joshumaxSo there lies the problem
10:42.55joshumaxI cant just let a rootfs upgrade wipe my dpkg database
10:43.32joshumaxand I cant trust a dpkg database on the immutable partition if a rootfs upgrade happens
10:44.17joshumaxany ideas?
10:44.42tremondon't use dpkg at all for the rootfs, and create some wrappers for dpkg so that it only manages the writable tree. See e.g. dpkg --instdir
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10:45.05joshumaxI can't do that
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10:45.42joshumaxSince I'm required to have dpkg upgrade packages in the rootfs as well
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10:46.52joshumaxIt's so workaround-y I've already had to change a large portion of the dpkg source code... :/
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10:48.33joshumaxand for some strange reason /var/lib/dpkg must exist on a third FAT partition
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10:49.06joshumaxWhich made link() in atomic-write silently fail
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10:49.29tremonof course. FAT is not a posix-compatible filesystem
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10:49.54joshumaxWell somehow I got that portion to work at least...
10:50.54joshumaxMy wotkaround so far is to create a "volatile" marker in rootfs debs
10:50.57tremonI think you're so far off the debian trail that we can't help you. Maybe try asking #debian-mentors on oftc
10:51.12tremonor maybe there's a channel specific for building derivatives there
10:51.15joshumaxah. thanks for the ref
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10:52.19joshumaxAh the joys of ridiculous hacks ;)
10:52.41tremonit's always someone else who made it like that :)
10:52.56tremonand always too late to change...
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10:53.56joshumaxStill better than the time I had to put uClinux on an 8 bit Propellor
10:54.20joshumaxs/propellor/propeller
10:54.35joshumaxgah, tiny phone buttons
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10:56.16joshumaxthanks for the help tremon
10:56.27tremongood luck :)
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10:58.57abatormy vbox get stuck and corrupt the dynamic disk when my system come on from suspended mode.
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11:03.32abatordo you think XenServer is better option to switch from vbox?
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11:04.04map7_How do I force dpkg-reconfigure to show the configuration menu?
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11:04.09abatorreally i think vbox is dangerous because it was developed in a big hurry
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11:12.36map7_babilen, that doesn't work
11:13.45tremonthen you're trying to configure the wrong package, or lirc is not configured through debconf
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11:14.10ChrisHaboudreault: you are talking about virtualbox from Sun/Oracle?
11:14.50tremonthere doesn't seem to be a -common or -config package, so probably the latter
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11:22.23joshumaxI think I broke #debian-mentors with my question...
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11:40.33alt^255Greetings. A question on xorg - debian doesn't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d; instead, the 'defaults' are in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d. If I want to modify some of those behaviours (like, synaptics) shall I just create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory?
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11:41.36tremonalt^255: yes
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11:43.45alt^255tremon: thank you.
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12:26.25tremonfoobark: it happens occasionally, when a mirror is being updated or out of date. Most of the time it can be solved by waiting half an hour
12:26.37themillor more often by running "apt-get update"
12:26.55tremonyes, that too
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13:01.21foobarkanyone else get a 404 on this url?
13:01.22foobarkhttp://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages
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13:03.59humbotlooks like the Packages folders are compressed foobark http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64/
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13:05.14themillfoobark: that URL is not supposed to work
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13:05.51foobarkits giving a 404 during apt-get update
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13:06.23themillCan you pastebin the full output along with "apt-cache policy" and "getent hosts security.debian.org"
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13:12.57foobarkthemill, http://pastebin.com/izvYMuAp
13:13.54foobarktried a few regional mirrors but they're the same
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13:14.51themillIs any www access working from that machine at all?
13:15.55TBJoeI have installed a baikal server (calDAV and cardDAV) and it is up and running, however it doesn't really work. I can access the admin web interface and create users etc. but whenever I try to access a calendar via http://ip/baikal/calendars/username/default it doesn't work and gives something like "Sabre\DAV\Exception \NotImplemented GET is only implemented on File objects 1.8.7" Can someone help me? I use lighttpd and php5-sqlite for web/sq
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13:20.45flusivehi all, i have a problem with ipsec, i try to up tunnel but when i start ipsec i see kernel: netlink: 12 bytes leftover after parsing attributes in process `ip'. What does it mean? and additionally i add i haven't any new interface and route :(
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13:22.54centrxTBJoe, Sounds like an application-specific question for baikal?
13:23.15TBJoecentrx: maybe
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13:54.57jelly-home,v baikal
13:54.58juddNo package named 'baikal' was found in i386.
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13:55.43jelly-homeTBJoe: where did you get that baikal thing from?  It seems it might rely on newer versions of some software than what you have installed
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13:57.10TBJoejelly-home: wget http://baikal-server.com/get/baikal-flat-0.2.7.zip
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13:58.51jelly-homeTBJoe: if they say that works on Debian 7 and its versions of php stuffs, tell them it's not true -- in other words, file a bug report
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14:00.27TBJoejelly-home: well I'm not exactly a pro so I don't even know what exactly is going wrong. I don't feel quite confident to tell other people that something is not working when it might likely be just my own stupidity :p
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14:01.19jelly-homeit might be, but it's probably best to ask the people you got the software from anyway
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14:02.52jelly-home(for all I know, caldav might not even work with GET but use some other http or DAV commands, and you might not be supposed to access that URL with a browser)
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14:02.53TBJoeWell I basically followed a tutorial (that forgot to mention one step) but it was explicitely written for raspberry pi. So I guess it should be possible
14:03.31jelly-homeraspbian might have different versions of software from debian
14:04.01jelly-homeyou could try doing the same procedure using debian testing as platform
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14:05.20TBJoeOk I will look into it thanks for answering me :)
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14:15.20UNIXwz0rhey is it possible i can completely remove systemd ?
14:15.28UNIXwz0rfrom jessie ?
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14:15.35SynrGycheck jessie release notes
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14:16.51UNIXwz0rlike i dont want to use 2 init system, let say i want to use just openrc, is that possible to use that in debian.. do i have my freedom if i go to debian and if i want to choose my init system of choice is that possible, i know on arch linux we are in a chokehold of just using one init system, i always remember debian a freedom system so are they gonna be like arch linux and chokehold the users ?
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14:17.32SynrGyif you're talking about an upgrade, see: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system
14:18.02UNIXwz0ris there a guide so i can completely remove systemd and replace it with another init system, i do not like systemd i shouldn't be force to use it
14:18.30SynrGyi just pointed you at the release notes.
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14:18.49UNIXwz0rso the release not gonna tell me to remove systemd ?
14:19.01SynrGylook, have you read the release notes yet?
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14:19.21Guest15786Hi all.
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14:19.52Guest15786Anyone got an idea is there a way to copy + paste inside grub legancy kernel line edit mode?
14:19.59centrxUNIXwz0r, openrc, sysvinit, and upstart are all available in jessie
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14:20.33SynrGynobody's robbing you of your freedom. you can choose what you like. if you don't want to be automatically upgraded to systemd, the release notes say how
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14:21.03UNIXwz0roh thanks you thats col
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14:21.19UNIXwz0ryeah thats nice of debian to do this thats cool
14:21.22UNIXwz0r:)
14:21.27SynrGythat being said, desktops may have specific dependencies on systemd components ...
14:21.38UNIXwz0ri use fluxbox
14:21.39SynrGybut again, you're free to choose which desktop or WM you use
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14:21.41UNIXwz0rim ok :)
14:21.45SynrGyyup
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14:22.06UNIXwz0rDebian 8 + openrc + fluxbox = awesome :)
14:22.11SynrGytip. "assume good faith".
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14:22.51maherdo any of of the bay trail laptops have suspend support working?
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14:22.55UNIXwz0rwell debian is really gettig my respect :) as they have all the init system available for the user, and i hope they keep it like that.  I love the fact a distro base give users all the choices
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14:23.15piplso how do you get rid of libsystemd0 ? :-)
14:23.17SynrGythis will last as long as there are still people who care enough to do the work to make it still work ..
14:23.29UNIXwz0ryeah thats what i was thinking
14:23.34UNIXwz0r<PROTECTED>
14:23.43UNIXwz0rit was complaing about dbus
14:23.56SynrGypipl: is this flamebait? i'm not biting
14:24.13piplthere is a configure flag for systemd in dbus. Rebuild it without systemd
14:24.25UNIXwz0ri see
14:24.29rroethofsystemd just sucks balls :S
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14:24.37SynrGypipl: everything depends on libpulse0 too ...
14:24.38UNIXwz0rhahaha ^ much agreed
14:24.42SynrGydoesn't mean you have to use pulse
14:24.47UNIXwz0rsystemd is not good
14:25.01rroethof^ understatement of the century
14:25.02UNIXwz0rtrust me i used archy with systemd since 2012
14:25.27SynrGycan we please keep it support-related today and not devolve into a systemd bitchfest?
14:25.34NoImNotNineVolti like systemd.
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14:25.48UNIXwz0rand now im getting really fed up with them as to them they force u to use only one init system, to me is keeping me away from arch linux, and if debian does this as well ... i might as well jump off the bridge
14:25.50SynrGynor do we need ppl to jump to its defense
14:26.05NoImNotNineVoltoh i'm not defending it :P
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14:26.32UNIXwz0rim find if its the default init system... but please debian DO NOT force us all to use it
14:26.40UNIXwz0rgive user the choice and people will love debian
14:26.41UNIXwz0r.
14:26.42rroethofSynrGy: why not bitch @ systemd ? if enough ppl will bitch about it, maybe Debian dev'ers will finaly see the freaking light
14:27.04NoImNotNineVoltthe user has the choice of replacing systemd. debian is still foss, you can do anything you want.
14:27.05SynrGycounts to ten
14:27.06mtnwonders how he found his way to the #systemd channel :(
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14:27.10UNIXwz0rdebian dev do not force user to only use systemd u will loose people support
14:27.25UNIXwz0rgive users the freedom and choices people will love debian
14:27.31NoImNotNineVoltif you don't know how to replace systemd, why should it be anyone else's responsibility to help you create the distro you want?
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14:27.40NoImNotNineVoltshuts up
14:28.15UNIXwz0r?
14:28.15maher/etc/ini.t/init-trolls stop
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14:28.36UNIXwz0rwhy do people think this is trolling its a logic debate
14:28.43NoImNotNineVoltit's not. at all.
14:28.49rroethofNoImNotNineVolt: i do know how to go back to init, but why change to a faulty systemd (which has no user backing) when u have a perfectly working init system
14:28.50NoImNotNineVoltit's a matter of opinion, a philosophical disagreement.
14:29.03UNIXwz0ri don't know about u but init system to me are important
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14:29.26NoImNotNineVoltrroethof: does it matter? it's happening. and that's that.
14:29.30maherhugs his init scripts
14:29.31UNIXwz0rextactly why fix something that is not broken
14:29.48NoImNotNineVoltwhy cry over spilled milk?
14:29.50SynrGyUNIXwz0r, rroethof: not. helping. no new arguments have been raised that haven't been rehased hundreds of times before. and this is not a support discussion. last warning.
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14:30.28CissWitUNIXwz0r: it's easier to change your init in Jessie than in Wheezy. You can use sysvinit instead when installing for example : https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd
14:30.39NoImNotNineVoltdpkg systemd
14:30.40dpkgsystemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts.  It is a replacement for <sysvinit>.  systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie".  https://wiki.debian.org/systemd  #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net  http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd  #systemd on irc.freenode.net.  See also <why systemd>.
14:30.43piplWe should stop discussing about systemd.
14:31.13UNIXwz0rok thanks for everything sorry about the talk in here
14:31.15nosystemd:D
14:31.22UNIXwz0r^ what
14:31.41SynrGyUNIXwz0r: any questions about the release notes, then? you've not yet upgraded to jessie?
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14:32.01UNIXwz0ri'm just shock to see debian switching to systemd its justl ike what ? that is like going against debian foundation on itself
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14:32.31rroethoflol btw.. i have one machine running system, but completely ignoring it the to puppt :P
14:32.32SynrGyUNIXwz0r: it should be possible to replace one init system with another after the fact even if you did get upgraded to it. if you have trouble with that, we need to see commands typed and errors shown
14:32.35UNIXwz0ri got the debian jessie snpashot cd 1
14:32.44rroethofpuppet resource service apache2 ensure=running :D
14:32.54SynrGyUNIXwz0r: ok, so you're looking at a fresh install with systemd installed?
14:33.05UNIXwz0ri dont want systemd
14:33.18SynrGyyou can simply try installing sysvinit-core or whatever you like, then
14:33.20UNIXwz0rbut yeah thats what i saw when i install debian im like hmm why
14:33.36UNIXwz0ri want to use openrc
14:33.39SynrGyfor new installs, it's going to be default, but you can still switch.
14:33.44maherUNIXwz0r:  https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd
14:33.44SynrGyfor upgrades, release notes have it covered.
14:33.56UNIXwz0rthanks
14:33.57SynrGymaher: thanks for that
14:34.19UNIXwz0r:) so is debian always gonna give us choices
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14:34.47UNIXwz0ras long as they give us choices for init im cool man if they want to use systemd as default cool, but give us choice if one don't want to use systemd
14:34.56NoImNotNineVoltsometimes i think this is just a prank by lennart to overwhelm linux irc channels with the same argument all day, every day :P
14:35.14UNIXwz0rmaybe people don't like systemd
14:35.18UNIXwz0rface the real facts
14:35.20maherso - no one here using a bay trail laptop?
14:35.32UNIXwz0ri for one like like initscripts
14:35.39NoImNotNineVoltlennart, you cruel, cruel man! :P
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14:35.43UNIXwz0ri dont like a solaris wannabe init system
14:35.47ElethHey guys how do I install XFree86 and Openoffice
14:35.57SynrGyEleth: on debian?
14:36.07Eleth;)
14:36.19UNIXwz0rsysctl doesn't that what solaris and freebsd uses
14:36.21SynrGyEleth: oh, you're teasing? :)
14:36.33UNIXwz0rsystemctl how orginal man
14:36.46SynrGyi don't think there's any swirling debate about regressing to XFree86 and Openoffice though :p
14:37.08SynrGythose ships have sailed
14:37.12UNIXwz0ranyhow im not here to hate on systemd im just here for information about debian and what the it give user for choice
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14:37.20piplbecause sysadmin don't need it.
14:37.22UNIXwz0rplease do not restrict users like arch linux
14:37.32ElethRegress? How dare you! Xfree86 is the original true X. The one and only way
14:37.36SynrGyUNIXwz0r: sure. so we adequately answered your support question? this isn't a place to ask requests of the devs.
14:37.53SynrGyEleth: *smirk*
14:37.54NoImNotNineVoltarch doesn't really restrict users either. the beauty of foss is that you can do what you want yourself.
14:38.02UNIXwz0ri don't know where to go to ask so i figure #debian
14:38.12UNIXwz0rwhat is #debian for ?
14:38.15SynrGysupport questions
14:38.26UNIXwz0rwell its about debian  ?
14:38.28mtnUNIXwz0r: there is an off-topic channel, just waiting for you
14:38.33UNIXwz0rim talking about init system here
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14:38.41SynrGysee the debian-project list for discussion of matters of general importance to the project (not development discussions)
14:38.43UNIXwz0rits not offtopic its about debian system
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14:38.58mtnUNIXwz0r: whining is not support related ;)
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14:39.07UNIXwz0rlulz
14:39.17UNIXwz0rok folks u all hav a good one thanks for the help :)
14:39.22UNIXwz0ru been very good cheers
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14:40.59ElethI wonder if I'll get my final squeeze boxes on Wheezy before Jessie is released
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14:42.54ElethPHP 5.4 broke stuff that some people here are gradding their heels on fixing. I wonder how much fun PHP5.6 will be :D
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14:44.02centrxPHP is crap
14:44.12ElethSuper agreed
14:44.35ElethUnfortunately we have a bajillion lines of PHP code written by random people all over the place
14:45.04ElethA friend of mine worked on PHC as part of his PhD and used to go on hour long rants at how badly PHP sucked
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14:46.13ElethFun fact: PHP as released is the reference version and therefore bugs are rejected as "that's the way it works in the reference design"
14:46.52piplHey Drupal is based on PHP :-)
14:46.57ElethIf the API says one thing and PHP does another, then the API docs are wrong, even if it was right one minor version ago
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14:48.11ElethA nice shiny layer over crap is fine until you need to poke around underneath the layer
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14:49.10piplOK ._.
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14:52.22ChrisH"A nice shiny layer over crap is fine" ... why am I thinking about Redmond here?
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15:12.51TyrfingMjolnirWhat is the best laptop for running linux? ThinkPad? MacBook?
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15:14.41NoImNotNineVoltdepends on your specific needs and use cases.
15:14.58kskTyrfingMjolnir: these days you can probably take any laptop..
15:15.13NoImNotNineVoltlinux has decent hardware support, so most laptops' full feature set should be available.
15:15.18TyrfingMjolnirBut some are nicer to work with than others
15:15.28NoImNotNineVoltthat's a matter of opinion.
15:15.37TyrfingMjolnirAnd some have really not that good construction
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15:15.48NoImNotNineVoltsome people value low cost over good construction.
15:16.08NoImNotNineVolt(and often, one comes at the expense of the other)
15:16.09petn-randall!best
15:16.09dpkgBest for what?  Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play!  Anyone for Tennis!
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15:16.19TyrfingMjolnirbad construction = high cost in my opinion
15:16.33NoImNotNineVoltsafety dances
15:16.47NoImNotNineVoltsafety dances in the land down under. respect!
15:16.50TyrfingMjolnirLowest cost of ownership in the long run
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15:17.03TyrfingMjolniris my definition of best
15:17.31NoImNotNineVoltTyrfingMjolnir: of course, some people tuck their laptop behind a shelf somewhere and use an external display/keyboard/pointer. for them, good construction offers little to no benefit.
15:17.32TyrfingMjolnirSo if I have to buy more frequently due to poor construction, or have to spend extra time due to driver stuff...
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15:17.54NoImNotNineVoltit's a personal preference. depends on your needs and use cases :P
15:18.07NoImNotNineVolthas one such laptop as a htpc
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15:18.41NoImNotNineVoltand nobody knows your needs and use cases as well as you do :P
15:19.07NoImNotNineVoltin a sense, you're asking "which laptop would *i* like the best". we probably can't answer that for you.
15:19.49NoImNotNineVoltas far as linux goes, things to be wary of are the gpu...
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15:20.05NoImNotNineVoltand i guess the power/acpi stuff.
15:20.30NoImNotNineVoltthose are the main areas of complaints that i can think of off the top of my head.
15:21.10mtnwireless network cards!
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15:22.29ChrisHTyrfingMjolnir: I allways recommend get a used business laptop with docking station from HP, Dell, Lenovo.
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15:24.43TyrfingMjolnirI travel the world 3-5 times pr year
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15:24.49TyrfingMjolnirI'm always on the move
15:24.51TyrfingMjolnirI have 4 laptops
15:24.59TyrfingMjolnirI usually wear them out in 18 months
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15:25.10TyrfingMjolnirAnd that is not breaking them
15:25.38TyrfingMjolnirWell that's my 2 dev and ops laptops
15:25.55TyrfingMjolnirThe 2 for contracts and accounting do last longer
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15:26.15styks1987I have a visudo question. http://hastebin.com/sevesujuzu.coffee
15:26.44styks1987I want to run this command as another user. Each command works by itself but when piped together it does not work
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15:27.06styks1987copy of command and visudo attached
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15:27.28SynrGysee, once you catch on that laptops aren't hammers, they last longer ;)
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15:28.03tremonstyks1987: every component of a command containing pipes or semicolons is a seperate command. You'll need to use multiple sudo's
15:28.17tremonstyks1987: also, don't use a pastebin that requires javascript
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15:28.46styks1987tremon: thanks which do you suggest?
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15:28.59tremonpaste.debian.net preferably
15:29.29styks1987tremon: http://paste.debian.net/153163
15:29.49styks1987does my visudo have to have each command broken out or the whole command with pipes
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15:30.50tremonstyks1987: you only need sudo for the last component (i.e. the local mysql)
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15:31.43tremonunless you want to make use of a public-key login of user2
15:31.55styks1987tremon: yes, I need the key from user2
15:32.26tremonany specific (and valid ;) reason why you can't add a publickey for your own user?
15:33.02styks1987tremon: this user is not allowed to connect to the other server except for this command
15:33.27SynrGytremon, styks1987: looking at sudoers man page, i don't see where command name can be anything but a filename for a command
15:34.14tremonno, sudo can match on arguments as well
15:34.18SynrGytremon, styks1987: scratch that. i see now where it says you can.
15:34.20SynrGyyep
15:34.40SynrGybut i would generally write a command wrapper so i don't have to change sudoers if the command needs to change
15:34.55SynrGythis is a matter of personal style however.
15:35.24tremonstyks1987: SynrGy is right, capturing those pipes in a script and only allowing the script to be executed is much safer
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15:36.09tremonfor example, user1 can now easily run "ssh -C user@server ... | pastebin $mydata $topublicserver"
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15:36.49SynrGyany sufficiently lengthy / complex list of arguments is going to be pretty fragile.
15:37.13tremonhowever, to give you an answer first: I'd use user1 ALL=(user2) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/ssh user2@server.com *,  /usr/bin/mysql -u dbuser *
15:37.13styks1987tremon, SynrGy, ok, thanks
15:37.51SynrGyi can think of a ton of damage the bunzip2 by itself could do
15:38.04SynrGy(overwrite system files, etc.)
15:38.09tremonand run your commands as sudo -u user2 ssh [..] | bunzip2 | sudo -u user2 /usr/bin/mysql [..]
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15:38.44styks1987tremon, super thanks
15:38.45tremon(as an added bonus, that way bunzip2 does not run as user2 and cannot overwrite user2's files ;)
15:38.52SynrGyyep :)
15:39.00tremonbut bunzip2 is the least of your worries
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15:39.11SynrGyyeah. the whole thing is a disaster
15:39.31tremonbtw, combining both bzip2 and ssh -C is overkill
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15:39.50tremonssh is not going to be able to compress traffic much, since it's all bzip2'ed data
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15:40.33styks1987tremon: ok thanks
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15:41.35tremonplease note that when adding command line parameters in a sudo line means the parameters must match in that exact order
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15:42.30tremone.g. if your sudoers line allows mysql -u dbuser, it will not allow you to run mysql -D mydb -u dbuser
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15:43.02tremonbut it will allow mysql -u dbuser -D db
15:43.23tremonerrh, assuming the sudoers line says "mysql -u dbuser *" of course
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15:43.47dontknowdoes debian cd1 include necessary packages to make installation? is it enough to make offline install?
15:43.57AimHereG
15:44.03AimHeredontknow, yes, and yes
15:44.13AimHereAssuming it's not the netinstall cd
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15:44.41darxmurffolks... it's time for a beer \o/
15:44.42dontknowAimHere, can i use it to install full gnome desktop without internet connection? only cd1?
15:44.44darxmurfweeeeek eeeeeeend
15:45.28petn-randalldontknow: The CDs are sorted by package popularity. With CD1 you'll get the most popular packages. If you want all, you need to download all.
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15:45.46petn-randalldontknow: Is there a reason you can't use the netinstaller? You'll need internet access for security updates, anyway.
15:46.14tremondon't need much security updates if there's no internet access though
15:46.49petn-randalltremon: You do if you're doing I/O by other means, e.g. USB sticks, CDs, mobile HDDs.
15:46.54dontknowpetn-randall, i know. but netinstall took more time to install
15:47.11petn-randalldontknow: It'll take less time than downloading all CDs ...
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15:47.25dontknowso i am considering download cd1 and install without connection. and after that upgrade
15:47.38tremondontknow: you can perform an online install with cd1 as well
15:47.57tremonAnything that's already on the cd will not be downloaded, but it won't ask you for cd2
15:47.58dontknowwhat does cd1 do then?
15:49.28dontknowdoes netinstall provide offline base system installation?
15:50.31tremonI don't think so. It contains only the essential packages, but the base system is more than just essentials iirc
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15:51.54ashkanullHello
15:52.11dontknowok thanks
15:52.11ashkanullIs there a parameter on grub or smth which I can totally disable monitor so the device is only accessible via ssh ?
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15:53.57tremonashkanull: that has very bad failure modes. What happens if you inadvertently create a firewall rule that blocks port 22?
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15:54.40ashkanulltremon, not that important I'll go fresh
15:54.44ferniewell you could still access the grub and disable that option?
15:55.01ferniei would also like to know if such option existed :)
15:55.38ferniex has dpms/xrandr and you can shut down the display. but without x seems impossible
15:55.43tremonashkanull: with sysvinit, you can edit /etc/inittab and remove/comment all the getty lines. I don't think you can completely disable the monitor, but it won't show a login prompt
15:55.58jelly-homeashkanull: disabled video output won't stop anyone from logging in blindly.   If you want to disable virtual console logins, then do that.
15:56.09tremonpresumably systemd also has a way to disable all getty's/consoles
15:56.20ashkanulltremon, already commented all I could find on /etc/inittab
15:56.35ashkanullX still runs like a charm !
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15:56.41tremonwell, obviously
15:56.47jelly-homeashkanull: if you start it, sure
15:56.52tremonWhy would you install X on such a machine?
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15:57.43petn-randallashkanull: I'm wondering what problem you want to solve by disabling the monitor.
15:57.49fernieseems like X is the only option to disable display
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15:57.57ashkanullI cannot find this tty7 which is mentioned on inittab >>> Note that on most Debian systems tty7 is used by the X Window System,
15:58.40ferniewell one problem for me is that I have multiple inputs to monitor but I don't need the display to that machine all the time
15:58.41jelly-homeashkanull: if gdm3 service is running, that's what's starting X
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15:59.23fernieso if I sleep/etc the other machine. the display jumps to that consoleoutputmachine that is always on. then i need to manually switch the outputs again. annoying
15:59.25Brigoyou can /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service to stop getty from run
15:59.59jelly-homeBrigo: is there a way to do that without messing up stuff in /lib?
16:00.14jelly-home(regardless of the missing verb)
16:00.27petn-randallfernie: You can also enable power management without X11. I know Ubuntu does that because I have to hit a key for the prompt to light up.
16:00.49tremonjelly-home: ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/system/getty@.service probably
16:00.59Brigojelly-home, not sure, i am asking google.
16:01.01ferniepetn-randall: hmmh, I'll look into that. thanks
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16:01.20Brigotremon, yes, but that is nor really a service.
16:01.58petn-randallOnly works with systemd, which is a tech preview in wheezy.
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16:02.10tremonit is a parameterized service, or whatever systemd calls it
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16:02.48jelly-hometremon: here's hoping update-rc.d or service command will eventually be able to do that without a manualln
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16:03.58tremonI believe systemd already can, through systemctl disable $service. However my point was that anything that you put in /etc/systemd overrides a similarly named file in /lib
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16:06.27ashkanullhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/21596384/cannot-disable-systemd-serial-getty-service
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16:09.21nmschult1I want to print a PDF so that a single page is spread (blown up) across four pages (so it's 2x as large, 4x the area).  Is there an easy way to do this?
16:09.52nmschult1Things are complicated by the fact that the page size of the PDF doesn't match the page size of my paper (A4 v US Letter I believe), but that's not a big deal.
16:10.18Brigothey generated by /lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-getty-generator (a binary)
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16:14.27piplnmschult1: googling gives me an option of tiling in applications and printers.
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16:14.40nmschult1tiling.  that's a word.
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16:17.45nmschult1pipl: thanks.  I see there's a CLI utility to do this.
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16:18.03piplnmschult1: what is that if you don't mind to tell me ?
16:18.16nmschult1pipl: `aptitude search poster`
16:18.28nmschult1poster, pdfposter, posterazor
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16:18.44piplnmschult1: thank you.
16:19.27nmschult1pdfposter makes a new pdf.  I was going to do this manually w/ gimp; this is the perfect tool.  thanks pipl
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16:19.45Brigonmschult1, try pdfposter
16:19.55nmschult1:)
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16:25.32nmschult1pipl: it's doing funky things with my PDF; placing a box in the middle of the content tec.
16:25.36nmschult1s/tec/etc/
16:25.44nmschult1It seems to work though; I'll have to try later.
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16:27.33piplnmschult1: good luck.
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16:43.56talin_is it normal the that 4 blue leds are blinking in some repetitive weird sequence  that seems to differ every day?
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16:44.28talin_yesterday when i got home from work, all 4 were blinking two times quickly and then pausing for 1s... today when i got home, they blink two and two
16:44.52metallicleds?
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16:45.00metallictalin_,  what leds?
16:45.05metallicyour keyboard leds?
16:45.23metallic(caps lock, num-pad lock, ...)
16:46.22abrotmanand not likely
16:46.37talin_heh, wrong channel. lol
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16:46.42metalliclol
16:46.49metallicjust.. lol talin_
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16:47.21talin_metallic, it's late on friday, man!
16:47.29metallicno excuses
16:47.33metallicI HATE you
16:47.39talin_lowers his head in shame
16:47.51metallicare you working on a circuit or something like that?
16:47.55talin_we shall conclude this with a battle of the deaf
16:48.05metallic@.@
16:48.15talin_metallic: i just bought a beaglebone black. to my defence, it is running debian
16:48.37metallicbeaglebone black... No idea what that is
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16:59.58TC`hello. I am stuck removing plesk from debian. It tries to connect to mysql and faills. Because there is no mysql. Therefore apt-get -f install doesn't help. Is there a way to "unRemove" a package from uninstalling..?
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17:01.17ToApolytoXaosguys, question: why when a media player is running i cannot watch any flash video without it get stuck at 6th second? as soon as i stop the media player, the flash video resumes. what the..?!
17:01.42ToApolytoXaosi'm using debian testing, 64-bit fully updated
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17:05.47incalI have a textfile which is UTF-8 Unicode text according to file but when I put in on a server and people try to access it on Windoze they say Swedish chars å, ä and ö won't turn up correctly
17:06.01centrxToApolytoXaos, Could be something with Flash (crap) or with your video driver
17:06.12abrotmanTC`: you should ask them, it's not part of Debian
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17:07.00abrotmanincal: iconv perhaps?
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17:07.33clownshoei'm booting unstable mini.iso from a usb key, and it boots fine, but when I try to add a preseed file it can't find it, because I believe it's in the iso loopback, my question is how can I use loopback iso and preseed file that's on the same usb key?
17:07.48ToApolytoXaoscentrx: it's weird because the same config setup is installed at work, but on a 32-bit system. maybe it's a 64-bit problem or something? :S
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17:08.20incalabrotman: change the encoding into what? (it workds for me, both in browser and editor)
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17:09.29_abc_Hello. Please, which current debian live dvd is not systemd based? Most recent not systemd based? Also, is there a faq on how to install a windows printer on linux using samba and lpd/similar only, i.e. without using cups? cups gave me incredible pain.
17:09.53_abc_The printer is supported fine and works when it works. The cupsd causes the problems.
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17:10.17_abc_Or it interaction with the system, on a non debian install (knoppix hdd install, probably 7.4.x)
17:10.29_abc_I want to install pure debian on that machine.
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17:11.37TC`abrotman: but how to undo "package romove" from the list ?
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17:15.52valdyn_abc_: Why do you think cupsd is the problem?
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17:16.25_abc_There's a messy interaction between dbus, systemd and cupsd automatic printer recognition which fills logs and causes erratic behavior.
17:16.53_abc_I was able to use the printer directly using ist filter from HP from cli and tested that the problem is not there.
17:16.58valdyn_abc_: ok - that automatic printer thing is optional, just remove cups-browsed
17:17.00_abc_That leaves 2 suspects.
17:17.46_abc_I can't do what I want because this is knoppix which is Debian based but not debian. The package dependencies are a jungle which I am not willing to untangle.
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17:18.04_abc_I will install debian on it and THEN if there will be a problem it will be delat with in standard ways.
17:18.10valdyn_abc_: knoppix is not supported here
17:18.22valdyn_abc_: any wheezy cd does not run systemd
17:18.23_abc_Read what I wrote please. I came here for Debian install info
17:18.32valdyn_abc_: thats debian 7.x
17:18.34_abc_Okay, that is useful.
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17:18.53_abc_Fyi Dr. Knopper wedged systemd into a 7.x based debian.
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17:19.19valdynwheezy ships systemd, it just does not run it by default
17:19.23_abc_So any 7.x Debian will be systemd less? Neat
17:19.33valdyn_abc_: not any, only the default
17:19.56_abc_F.ex. debian-live-7.8.0 should be ok? Platform is i386
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17:20.07valdyn_abc_: yea
17:20.48_abc_this is kde4 right? debian-live-7.8.0-i386-kde-desktop.iso
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17:20.59valdynjudd: versions kde-full
17:21.00juddPackage: kde-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; sid: 5:84; jessie: 5:84
17:21.09valdynI think that is 5
17:21.47centrx_abc_, Debian 7.x comes with KDE 4.8.4
17:21.52valdynjudd: versions kdebase-bin
17:21.54juddPackage: kdebase-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:4.14.2-1
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17:22.01valdynyea, 4
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17:22.07_abc_okay, thanks
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17:26.10Bierdiebhello. ive installed debian on a gigabyte brix bxbt j1900 and there are two issues, im not able to investigate: debian does not correctly power off the machine. on shutdown there is a call: watchdog did not stop and then the system hangs. second issue is the stability of the built in wireless card, which does usually work for for a few seconds after boot and login an then it seems to hang. both issues do not appear when running wind
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17:27.03Bierdiebany hint what to check?
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17:27.27centrxBierdieb, You shutdown with: 'shutdown -h now' or 'halt'?
17:27.40valentinovd__or poweroff ?
17:27.54centrxBierdieb, Can you check that you have the right driver for your network card/brand/model
17:28.06Bierdiebi usually use the shutdown button on the gnome desktop
17:28.36warriorno
17:29.38warriornwhat's a good debian prog to disassemble a DVD menu (like VIDEO_TS.VOB, etc)
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17:30.04warriorni'm trying to remake a dvd (not commercial, it was free) and need to know how
17:30.47warriornto bring a menu back in
17:31.05Bierdiebim quite sure, the issues are relating to the wireless-card driver anyhow. but i dont have evidence for that.
17:31.11warriorni have devede and dvdstyler, both cant seem to eactly replicate dvd components like that
17:31.14vookHow could I launch a window (mate/gnome2 terminal) without any window decorations?
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17:33.20vookmaybe that requires compiz
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17:34.18Bierdiebthe device is recognized as realtek8723BE PCI-E in windows. i cant find a similar driver for linux usage by now
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17:41.49Bierdiebive found some same problems in ubuntu forums for that device but no solution. any further hint for me?
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17:42.13centrxBierdieb, Do you have the firmware-realtek package installed?
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17:42.38Bierdiebnot that i know ...
17:43.04Bierdiebill try that centrx
17:43.34Bierdiebneed to reboot to do that thx so far
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17:44.01centrxBierdieb, Your card may need the version of firmware-realtek from wheezy-backports
17:44.11centrxdpkg, tell Bierdieb about wheezy-backports
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17:45.02bobbyrhey guys
17:45.32bobbyrim tar'ing an entire filesystem from a backup script located in /home/`whoami`/backup
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17:46.34bobbyrhttps://dpaste.de/w0Fz something like this
17:47.07bobbyrhowever, when i run the tar command, tar tries to tar the backup itself, despite --exclude=$LOCAL_BACKUP_DIR
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17:50.24centrxbobbyr, For the NFS mount excludes, proc, etc. you may want to just use the --one-file-system option
17:50.26valdynbobbyr: you should use $HOME, probably
17:50.58bierdiebcentrx, i just checked, the firmware-realtek package is installed already
17:51.23centrxbierdieb, Okay, you probably want to get the wheezy-backports version, it looks like that version is required for your card
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17:52.15socommbobbyr: Why are you using tar? Why not dd?
17:52.29socommOr rsync?
17:52.33bobbyrsocomm, because im not really a sysadmin and I don't know any better
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17:52.46valdynbobbyr: tar is fine
17:53.11socommbobbyr: I'd recommend looking at rsync.
17:53.15bobbyrok, so the man page for --one-file-system is a little vague
17:53.21bierdieband how to manage that one, could you link me to some kind of explanation where to find and howto make it work? im some kind of noob still ...
17:53.34bobbyrI'm going to rsync the tar file over once it's done
17:53.46valdynbobbyr: what is vague about it?
17:53.57bobbyrwhat is meant by local file system
17:54.08valdynbobbyr: its very simple, if a path is also a mountpoint it wont dive into it
17:54.09bobbyri have many partitions, are those considered local?
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17:54.36socommbobbyr: You can use rsync to move your entire FS over to the other storage ....
17:54.37valdynbobbyr: no, local is only the one you start at, the root of your backup
17:55.06valdynbobbyr: rsync is ok too, but its not better
17:55.27bobbyrvaldyn, ok, so how to i ignore the archive itself?
17:55.30valdynbobbyr: you can pipe tar via ssh to avoid a temporary local copy if you want
17:55.49bobbyrnah i actually want to keep the local copy
17:56.05bobbyrim moving the disk out of the machine
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17:56.21bobbyri cant get clonezilla to boot on this machine for some reason, so I have to do it the old fashioned way
17:56.42valdynbobbyr: you are skipping the / when you --exclude=sys, maybe you should do that with LOCAL_BACKUP_DIR too
17:56.50valdynbobbyr: im not entirely sure how that works
17:57.04bierdiebahh found something usable thx centrx
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17:58.06bobbyrvaldyn, i have exclude=$LOCAL_BACKUP_DIR as an option already
17:58.14bobbyram i missing something?
17:58.20valdynbobbyr: yes, but it starts with "/"
17:58.56bobbyrah, i see
17:59.09bobbyrso how should i formulate the command?
17:59.17valdynbobbyr: skip the first &
17:59.19valdynbobbyr: skip the first /
17:59.32valdynbobbyr: LOCAL_BACKUP_DIR=home/`whoami`/backup
17:59.43bobbyrgotcha
17:59.50bobbyrill give that a whack
18:00.13bobbyrsame goes for the NFS mounts?
18:00.19valdynbobbyr: or maybe you are using sudo and the user does not really match
18:00.27bobbyri am not using sudo
18:01.09bobbyrhere's the plan... i want to tar everything i can as a normal user, then rsync it over to another machine
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18:02.11bobbyrafter that, i want to reinstall debian 7.7 with all the same packages (dpkg --get-selections,) then rebuild the dirtree on the new machine
18:02.39bobbyrlet me just paste all the scripts actually...
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18:04.00bobbyrhttps://dpaste.de/9UDz
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18:04.24bobbyrI'm pretty new to this... everywhere I've worked before has an ops guy that does this stuff
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18:04.39bobbyrso forgive me if these are terribly misguided
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18:05.31bobbyrvaldyn, is this a sane way to do a full backup of a system or am i totally off base
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18:12.27bobbyrshould i be executing this script as root?
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18:13.58datapro😀
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18:22.25GarethTheGreatquick query - i'm on wheezy, is there a simple way to get a more recent libnss3 in order to run netflix?
18:22.39clownshoei'm booting unstable mini.iso from a usb key, and it boots fine, but when I try to add a preseed file it can't find it, because I believe it's in the iso loopback, my question is how can I use loopback iso and preseed file that's on the same usb key?
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18:44.28Andrilhello
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18:46.34Andrildoes Jessie have wifi drivers?
18:46.45centrxYes
18:46.55centrxSome of them require packages from non-free
18:48.00Andrilcool i just update and all seems to work except my wifi --- made me pull out the MacBook ugh
18:49.08Andrilso just add non-free to the sourcelist?
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18:49.53centrxAndril, Yes, and find out the package name for your card
18:50.05centrxto install
18:50.35Andrilit installed after update when i 1st installed 7.7
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18:55.23Andrilthanks centrx going to give it a try
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19:05.31bobbyrsigh
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19:05.54bobbyri cant seem to avoid having tar trying to tar it's own archive
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19:09.25valdyn$ tar cvf test --exclude=test1  ./
19:09.34valdyntar: ./test: file is the archive; not dumped
19:09.45valdynmy tar seems to be brighter than yours
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19:12.29valdynbobbyr: unfortunately your pastes no longer work - so i cant see if youre doing something really funny like using > instead of -f
19:12.45andrilno luck :'
19:12.47valdynbobbyr: appearantly tar knows not to tar its own current destination
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19:13.46Che-AnarcIs there a way I can prevent "screen" from just closing itself when done?
19:14.03valdynChe-Anarc: not let it be done
19:14.14valdynChe-Anarc: dont let it be done
19:14.19bobbyrvaldyn, this is the current iteration https://dpaste.de/HeHR
19:14.45macrobatChe-Anarc: maybe start another shell in screen and run things from that?
19:15.14andrilcan someone look at this and tell me what i am doing wrong with trying to get the non-free wifi drivers http://pastebin.com/dFUvEbN5
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19:15.51bobbyrvaldyn, i keep getting tar: ./home/rig/backup/backup.tar.gz: file changed as we read it
19:16.11Che-Anarcvaldyn,   how do you mean don't let it be done? you mean with a & sleep or something?
19:16.19franbobbyr: you can ignore that message
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19:17.00bobbyrfran, have you looked at the linked script?
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19:17.28valdynChe-Anarc: more like ; sleep
19:17.34valdynChe-Anarc: more like ; sleep 9999
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19:19.45vookwhen I have two ip addresses on an interface, how can I direct ping to go over a certain IP ?
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19:21.14valdynvook: you cant have 2 ip adresses on 1 interface in linux
19:21.26Specwhat
19:21.29vook?? ip addr add ?
19:21.32valdynvook: you can have 2 ipv6 adresses on one interface
19:21.45valdynvook: that should create a virtual interface iirc
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19:22.56Specvook: you could add a route to the alias interface
19:23.05Specroute add -host x.x.x.x dev eth0:1
19:23.09valdynvook: once you have that virtual interface you can bind to it (if ping supports that properly), using -I
19:23.24Specor yeah, use -I eth0:1
19:23.50valdynvook: but thats not sufficient yet, routes need to be deterministic
19:24.05valdynvook: that can only be worked around using some iptables rules
19:24.31valdynvook: and then creating multiple (each deterministic) routing tables
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19:25.15bobbyrso, if i want to back up my system with rsyc, how should i go about that?
19:25.22bobbyrI found this command: rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} /* /path/to/backup/folder
19:25.34valdynbobbyr: the syntax is quite similar to tar
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19:25.57vookvaldyn: hmm, ok. It's a xen vm, I guess it would be easier to just create a new interface.
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19:26.15valdynbobbyr: youre doing something really funny anyway, because the problem you are having should not even exist
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19:26.27valdynbobbyr: considering tar respects its archive and wont dump it
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19:26.39bobbyri dont even know why that's happning
19:26.54bobbyranyway, lemme rewrite the script a bit
19:26.59valdynbobbyr: maybe it really isnt
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19:29.43andrilany help?
19:29.54bobbyrthe problem is that I do not have any space left in /
19:30.31bobbyrthe normal invokation of tar for backups is invoked from /
19:30.44bobbyranywho, how does this look?
19:30.45bobbyrhttps://dpaste.de/o21q
19:31.17bobbyrremoved tar all together, going straight to rsync
19:31.47jhutchinsGarethTheGreat: There's one in backports.
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19:32.06jhutchins,v libnss3
19:32.07juddPackage: libnss3 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2:3.14.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.14.5-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2:3.14.5-1+deb7u3; sid: 2:3.17.2-1.1; jessie: 2:3.17.2-1.1
19:32.29jhutchinsGarethTheGreat: ^
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19:32.40bobbyrso i want to reinstall a fresh wheezy, should i exclude /boot as well?
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19:34.40bobbyri guess i want to know, what do i need to keep to retain all my settings and so on, and what can i just reuse from a fresh install
19:35.08digdilemif you want to retain all settings, why do you want to reinstall?
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19:35.29bobbyrpartition scheme is messed up
19:35.36bobbyrso i have to wipe the entire disk
19:35.43digdilemoh, ok. fair enough.
19:35.50bobbyranyway, the rsync dry run was like 39gb
19:35.50digdilemmost settings are stored in /etc - but that's no guarantee
19:36.08digdilemunless you have specific boot setups, don't copy /boot - just start over
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19:36.42bobbyrwell right now I have rsync --dry-run --progress -aAXzhv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found","/boot/*"}  /* $HOST:$REMOTE_BACKUP_DIR
19:37.18bobbyrlook about right?
19:37.32digdilembackup everything by all means (safest), you can copy across the stuff you want on an ad-hoc basis after
19:37.53digdilemi recommend putting everything in one / partition btw - unless you have specific needs.
19:38.05bobbyryeah, i understand that now =D
19:38.15bobbyrthat's the main reason why I need to do this backup
19:38.27digdilemthat's a lesson many of us have learned the hard way :)
19:39.19bobbyrhehe
19:39.24bobbyralright well fuck it
19:39.33bobbyrim just gonna exec this command and cross my fingers
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19:44.57andrili second that bobbyr
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19:46.11zvz9hi
19:46.29zvz9how to update packages ? like in fedora there is an Updates function, what is it in Debian?
19:46.44bobbyrandril =D
19:46.54bobbyryeah I'm not really a sysadmin, so this is kind of new to me
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19:47.59bobbyrmuch easier to use rsync though I must say
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19:48.09bobbyrthanks to whoever suggested that earlier
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19:56.03jhutchinszvz9: aptitude update updates the local catalogs, aptitude upgrade upgrades existing files except the kernel, aptitude full-upgrade will upgrade everything, including replacing changed packages.
19:56.34jhutchinszvz9: So generally it's aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
19:56.47acz32hi. how do we know what number to set priorities to in /etc/apt/preferences?
19:57.08jhutchinsacz32: if we don't know we don't mess with it.
19:57.28jhutchinsacz32: What are you actually trying to do?
19:57.49acz32jhutchins: assign priorities to wheezy and wheezy-backports
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20:00.31jhutchinsacz32: The defaults should be correct.
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20:01.12jhutchinsacz32: You manually select a specific package with aptitiude install -t wheezy-backports - aptitude then pulls only the specified file and any required dependencies.
20:01.17acz32what is the default for wheezy-backports? it's not in that file by default
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20:01.47jhutchinsacz32: Right, each repo has a defined priority, with backports lower than release.
20:02.11jhutchinsacz32: As the instructions on the backports web page indicate, changing the preferences file is not required.
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20:03.02acz32ok, what if i were to apt-pin something from jessie? then i'd need to set a priority
20:03.13acz32not that i'm doing that. i just want to know what the numbers mean
20:03.16jhutchinsacz32: Many releases ago it was common practice to pull packages from newer repos like sid and mix them with testing (for instance).  That is no longer recommended and is in fact discouraged, it often leads to un-workable systems.
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20:03.45jhutchins!frankendebian
20:03.45dpkgWhen you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess.  There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try.  See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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20:04.09zvz9jhutchins: thanx. how about this "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" ? recommended as an upgrade of outdated packages, that's wht is needed
20:04.25centrxit works okay from sid -> testing, if you know what you're doing
20:04.36acz32jhutchins: do you use stable repos only on your home computer?
20:05.03jhutchinsacz32: I use stable + backports
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20:05.41jhutchinsacz32: Oh, and multimedia.
20:06.09acz32i use stable and backports too.
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20:06.27acz32i am debating whether to use testing or not
20:06.48jhutchinsacz32: There's a manpage for apt_preferences, and I believe there's a brief mention of what priority backports uses on the web page.
20:07.09jhutchinsacz32: Do you need the computer for everyday tasks?
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20:07.43jhutchinsacz32: If it were broken for several days/weeks would that be a problem or only an inconvenience?
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20:10.54acz32jhutchins: well, would it break if i used jessie and not "testing"?
20:11.04acz32i do use it every day, yes
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20:12.48hTmlDPI'm trying to install the nvidia drivers.
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20:13.38hTmlDPThe only effect is system running without any drivers, i cant even run kdm. My Xorg.log: http://goo.gl/GbC35R
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20:16.19hTmlDPAny help?
20:17.29centrxhTmlDP, How did you install them?
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20:19.57hTmlDPcentrx: I've used the official tutorial for kali [Well, i've just wanted some debian with tools for the networking stuff]. http://docs.kali.org/general-use/install-nvidia-drivers-on-kali-linux
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20:21.28centrxhTmlDP, Okay, in Debian, I would recommend setting up wheezy-backports and installing package 'nvidia-driver' from backports
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20:22.21hTmlDPcentrx: can you tell me how to do it? i have asus eeepc 1201 PN with NVIDIA ION2 / ION LE
20:22.44fernieseems it tries to load nouveau driver, you need the xorg config bit that tells it to use nvidia driver
20:23.04centrx!nvidia
20:23.04dpkgWhere possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default.  To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
20:23.16ferniesee https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure
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20:24.17hTmlDPfernie: do i have to replace "My GPU" with something else?
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20:24.20Goran_is it hard to get a working desktop with debootstrap install? The installer doesn't see my hdd win partitions, but fdisk does. So maybe i can install using debootstrap rather than the installer?
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20:25.42Goran_actually, multiple linux distributions installers can't handle my PC's discs
20:26.11ferniehTmlDP: it is only a name you give it if you want to reference it later on xorg configuration. so you can leave it as it
20:26.26Goran_discs=HDD
20:27.38hTmlDPfernie: i have no xorg.conf.d in /etc/X11, should i create one?
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20:28.01ferniehTmlDP: yes, mkdir
20:28.15hTmlDPfernie: ok i was wondering if it matters
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20:51.04bobbyrquestion, if i rsync /etc (including grub config) from a backup to a fresh debian install, will i bork everything?
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20:53.56jhutchinsbobbyr: Same version of debian?
20:54.14bobbyrsame version of debian
20:54.22bobbyralso, i excluded /boot
20:54.35bobbyram i screwed?
20:54.54jhutchinsbobbyr: Excluded from what?
20:55.01bobbyrrsync
20:55.04bobbyrsorry
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20:55.36jhutchinsbobbyr: So you did something like reinstall over the original?
20:55.59jhutchinsbobbyr: There shouldn't be any customizations in /boot, so a fresh build should be fine.
20:56.06bobbyrsudo rsync --progress -aAXzhv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found","/boot/*","/home/rig/ExperimentSuite/scripts/monitor/rawData/*"} \     /* $HOST:$REMOTE_BACKUP_DIR
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20:56.21bobbyri did that command
20:56.31bobbyrnow reinstalling a fresh debian 7.7 on the same machine
20:56.37jhutchinsAh.
20:56.44bobbyri want to rsync back the files
20:56.46jhutchinsbobbyr: /boot should be fine.
20:57.02bobbyrwill i spaz grub out by doing this?
20:57.07jhutchinsbobbyr: You should be ok to rsync -av /etc/*
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20:58.21bobbyrjhutchins, so now I have a /disk2/backup partition with the contents of / from the old install
20:58.28fernieas there are only the scripts grub config is made of.. should..
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20:59.07bobbyrto renew, i just `sudo rsync --progress -aAXzhv $HOST:/ /disk2/backup`?
21:00.49jhutchinsbobbyr: If you do that you essentially wipe out the fresh install, which makes it pointless.
21:00.50bobbyrsorry, is this the command? `sudo rsync --progress -aAXzhv /disk2/backup $HOST:/`
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21:01.59bobbyrjhutchins, so I just want all of my customized files to be restores
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21:02.20bobbyri dont know where they all are, though most are probably in /home and /etc
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21:02.54jhutchinsbobbyr: I would restore selectively.  Yes, home and etc are what you want.
21:02.55bobbyrthing is that lots of stuff is symlinked, there are crons, etc
21:03.09bobbyrand i dont want to deal with figuring all of that out
21:03.34jhutchinsbobbyr: Is that things that YOU changed?
21:03.51bobbyrthings that were changed
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21:04.09bobbyrthere is usually an ops guy that does all of this, today i have the privilege
21:05.41bobbyrfor instance, i know that there are some things in /home/app ln -> /opt/app
21:06.01bobbyrif I rsync /home, do the symlinks remain?
21:08.45bobbyrjhutchins ? ^^
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21:09.37centrxThere is an option related to symlinks for rsync as I recall
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21:11.17Thms0_will cause it to reload with the new (patched) libssl, or not.
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21:13.00centrxThms0_, When the killed process is run again, yes it will use the new libssl if it's in the right place (e.g. install the update with apt-get)
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21:22.13Thms0_centrx, with a kill -1, doesn't need more than -1, right ?
21:22.49centrxThms0_, what's that for?
21:23.24centrxThms0_, If you're going to kill every process on the system, you might as well just reboot
21:23.33centrxThms0_, They aren't going to automatically restart themselves
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22:01.23zvz9this "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" gives this "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
22:01.29zvz9i dunno what interrupts it
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22:02.18lexvegashave you run dpkg --configure -a
22:02.35zvz9yes, doing it now
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22:34.14nea1hi, i just found this install setup for ganeti https://dsa.debian.org/howto/install-ganeti/, where they do a symlink (ln -s /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key /root/.ssh/id_rsa) so that the login works without password etc. ... but somehow it doesn't work
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22:36.42IYIWhat do you think, guys? Could this be real http://VisitsToMoney.com/index.php?refId=648714 or it is just another crap?
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22:38.34MikeSethpathetic
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22:53.04ktechmidasso... I've created a deb, very basic.. it's got a control file in a DEBIAN directory and a preinst file in the root - ran dpkg -b and everything is good
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22:53.18ktechmidastry to install it on my intended area... and I'm getting a mismatch
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22:53.27ktechmidasany ideas why that could be?
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23:23.35acuhow can I change a boot order in jessie (I Have a dual boot with windows7) and want windows to be the default
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23:27.11mtnacu: the debian wiki might be helpful. https://wiki.debian.org/Grub
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23:44.00zvz9in an encrypted install what are the equivalent of /dev/md* (lvm volumes) ?
23:44.29Eduard_Munteanuzvz9, /dev/mapper/...
23:45.06zvz9Eduard_Munteanu: ok, but isn't it supped to have /dev/md* as well?
23:45.09zvz9or so
23:45.18zvz9s/supped/supposed
23:45.19Eduard_Munteanuzvz9, no
23:45.37zvz9ok thanx
23:45.43Eduard_Munteanu/dev/md* is mdraid-specific
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23:46.28zvz9Eduard_Munteanu: really? not lvm in general? some textbooks claim it's lvm in general
23:46.51Eduard_Munteanuzvz9, no, LVM doesn't use md stuff at all.
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23:50.51Eduard_MunteanuIs there any Debian policy on crypto-verifiability of upstream packages?
23:51.00tremoncan anyone recommend a good image browser? I've been using gthumb but it's getting more and more annoying to use
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23:51.58Eduard_MunteanuThere are packages in Debian which are simply braindead and don't provide signed downloads. It's pretty much a disaster waiting to happen.
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23:54.04andrilhello
23:54.11Eduard_MunteanuHi, andril.
23:54.13JuonHi
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23:54.19JuonFine ?
23:54.33andrilhey Juon
23:54.40andrilhey Eduard_Munteanu
23:54.54andrilrecovering form a bad Debian upgrade
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