IRC log for #debian on 20150222

00:00.50Orginatorrunning debian 7, is there a way to completely disable /var/log/wtmp ? Or stop it from being rotated? Because, even tho I redirect it to /dev/null, it does gets rotated so that wtmp.1 is /dev/null and the new one is gathering info again..
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00:11.34aphorisefrostschutz after add lo2  how do I bind to existing 127.0.1.1 that on lo ?
00:11.51buildcompleteI have a debian 5 server considering to upgrade, any good guides at this for this time and year?
00:12.09aphoriseFrobozzCo I done "brctl add lo"
00:12.38themillbuildcomplete: the release notes for squeeze will tell you how to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. Then you can look at the wheezy release notes for squeeze→wheezy.
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00:14.22buildcompletethemill: thanks, quick question, are they still 'actual' I would expect apt-get/aptitude not to work, but I could be wrong.
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00:15.09themillI'm not sure what you are asking
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00:16.16buildcompleteI haven't 'upgraded' any debian before, but I would expect it to need access to some webn-repository that might not be there anymore
00:17.05themillDebian 6 "Squeeze" is still on the mirrors (and even if it weren't, it would be on archive.debian.org)
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00:17.58buildcompleteok, thanks,
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00:19.48buildcompletenow I haven't looked at the documentation yet... so feel free to forward me there (which mens postpone...), but when upgrading, can I expect postfix and apache to work? It is a production server and I have no idea how to test this besides just doing it.
00:21.27themillThe maintainer scripts do their best to ensure that the old config works with the new version of the daemon but you should expect to have to spend a bit of time updating the config during the course of the upgrade.
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00:26.54buildcompleteGood to know, do you happen to also know some way to test the postfix setup, the server is only used to sending newsletters, so i cannot send directly, my take on this would be to try to sign up and see if I got the reply mail from the mailing list manager.
00:27.00tuxcrafterhi all
00:27.12tuxcrafterhttps://packages.debian.org/sid/qemu is version 1:2.1
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00:28.02buildcompletethemill: erhm the server is also use das webserver, but I don't feel that worried about settings that up :)
00:28.07tuxcrafterhttp://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page show that is release from Nov 20th, 2012
00:28.22tuxcrafterJanuary 22nd, 2015  2.1.3 was released
00:28.29tuxcrafterwhy are these versions so old?
00:28.32centrxtuxcrafter, The version is 2.1, not 1.2.1
00:28.48centrxtuxcrafter, the 1: indicates something different
00:28.52themill!version epoch
00:28.52dpkgThe version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch".  It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes.  Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg).  But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0").  See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
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00:30.48tuxcraftercentrx: ah okay thx
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00:34.17Orginatorrunning debian 7, is there a way to completely disable /var/log/wtmp ? Or stop it from being rotated? Because, even tho I redirect it to /dev/null, it does gets rotated so that wtmp.1 is /dev/null and the new one is gathering info again..
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01:21.17confusedmikeDoes anyone know how to change the default shutdown and restart command for consolekit?
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01:36.36confusedmikeDoes anyone know how to change the default shutdown and restart commands for consolekit, thanks.
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01:38.52themillconfusedmike: what are you actually trying to achieve here?
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01:41.22confusedmikeI want a different command to run when I try to poweroff the system from xfce.
01:41.51confusedmikeDifferent init system
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01:49.32trampelconfusedmike: for instance xfce normally points it's GUI button "logout" to /usr/bin/xfce4-session-logout.  so you can either replace those or remap its buttons to your own executable (i'd humbly recommend the latter)
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02:01.17confusedmikeThanks, but is there config files for consolekit that would allow me to change the shutdown and restart commands or not?
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02:50.12srg2Hi guys. I'm trying to setup iptables, but I'm getting an error: http://www.pastebin.pl/view/f5c04eb3
02:50.34srg2I have the iptables package installed. What am I missing?
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03:40.35confusedmikeHi is there config files for consolekit that would allow me to change the shutdown and restart commands or not?
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03:45.07future28Hey, I use my phone to tether my laptop to the wifi as my card is unstable. It's 'usb0' interface. However I need to do a "service networking restart" before it will work. Can I automate such that when the interface comes up, networking service is restarted?
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03:49.28themillconfusedmike: you still haven't actually told us what you're trying to do. Details are rather important.
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03:51.22Devastatorfuture28 there is /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ and /etc/network/if-up.d/ directories where you can put shell scripts there
03:51.35future28Devastator: Ah right, thanks!
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03:52.30confusedmikeSorry, I am running debian stable in a chroot environment on bedrock linux, bedrock linux uses busybox to shutdown and restart, so I need to make consolekit execute a different command than the default commands in debain.
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03:53.23themillconfusedmike: How will the message escape the chroot?
03:53.43paradigmit's not really a chroot environment
03:54.18Devastatorsounds like someone is running <based on> :P
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03:55.32themillconfusedmike: if you can figure out how to actually pass that message around, then the scripts that are run are in /usr/lib/ConsoleKit/scripts/ ; you'd probably want to dpkg-divert them to drop your own script in place (I don't know if they can just be overridden from /etc -- I suspect not)
03:55.58confusedmikeThanks for your help
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03:59.53introomhi. I am on Debian using dash
04:00.02introombut in dash, ctrl-l won't clear the screen.
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04:00.12confusedmikeIT WORKED!!! thanks so much!
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04:00.21introomdoes it have anything to do with the "stty" or the "dash" ?
04:02.36paradigmintroom: dash is usually used for scripts, and not so much for interactive stuff.  I think part of why it's fast at running scripts (hence the name) is because it strips out features like ctrl-l.  Not 100% sure about that, though.
04:03.13introomparadigm: I suspect it too. though, sadly
04:03.31paradigmany reason for prefering dash for interactive shell over, say, bash or zsh or fish?
04:03.54introomparadigm: I was reading dash for a better knowledge of POSIX shell.
04:04.07paradigmah, cool, cool
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05:13.36deathspawnis it possible to prevent a user from connecting to an IP other than 127.0.0.1 or from using an interface other than lo?
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05:25.15Junaosdeathspawn, iptables 'owner' module would probably work well for that
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06:11.59ContrlI'm noticing left alt does nothing on Jessie for upper bar ( where the time is ). I can't seem to move anything anywhere.
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06:12.43tvonIs there a convenient way to show the changelog for either a to-be-installed package or the last installed package?
06:12.59tvoneg, 'apt-get show-changelog whatever'
06:13.19tvonperhaps I should be using aptitude
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06:26.59ghormoonhi, does anyone use macchanger in pre-up? or is there better place to put it in in case I want to randomize on free wifis, but not on my home one, at work, etc?
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07:12.40t0t4ln00banybody alive this evening?
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07:17.26Contrlt0t4ln00b: Why, hello
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07:18.28spalis it possible to upgrade a single package using apt-get?
07:18.59ContrlA single package and not it's dependencies?
07:20.11t0t4ln00binsserv: warning: script 'irda-setup' missing LSB tags and overrides
07:20.11t0t4ln00binsserv: There is a loop between service minidlna and irda-setup if stopped
07:20.23t0t4ln00bI'm clueless atm
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07:22.50spalContrl: I want to upgrade a single package along with its dependencies
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07:23.05ContrlOne moment
07:23.06spalI see `apt-get install <packagename>` does the job.
07:23.15ContrlWell, there you go
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07:28.50t0t4ln00bso I have no idea what this dpkg error is about
07:28.51sayonaDo love with Debian not WAR!
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08:24.49NemeSisis this rule ok for redirect every http request to "mydomain.com" ? rewrite ^ $scheme://www.mydomain.com$request_uri permanent;
08:25.02NemeSisin nginx
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08:27.37goikenJust switching from Ubuntu to Debian I was used to being able to reinstall the harddrive with my installation into another device and everything would just work like a charm (at least 6/7 times, that I tried). What are common possible reasons that this doesn't work for my Debian (using a fully encrypted LVM installation).
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08:32.10spalgoiken: what is the exact nature of the issue you face when you do that with debian?
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08:33.37goikenspal: Booting freezes shortly after I entered my PW.
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08:34.20spalgoiken: If you got to enter your password, that would mean the booting was complete. The password prompt comes only after the booting is complete.
08:34.35spalgoiken: do you mean your desktop freezes after you enter the password?
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08:34.50spalgoiken: which desktop are you using? GNOME? GNOME3? XFCE4?
08:34.51goikenspal nope, I meant the decryption PW that I get promted for initially.
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08:34.59spalgoiken: oh okay
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08:35.25HZLeHi. How can I check if I have an installed package from 'contrib' or 'non-free'?
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08:37.38wenshanHi all, I want to erase the Windows7 on my laptop to add more space to /home, but I'm not using LVM, is it be possible? `df -h` returns http://dpaste.com/0PRA746
08:38.22spalHZLe: apt-cache show <pkgname> | grep Filename
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08:43.47HZLespal: Thank you. Is there a possibility not to have to do it for each single package ?
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08:45.48trewasHZLe: there is a package vrms which does just that, naming is a bit unfortunate though as debian's concept of "freedom" doesn't really align with stallman
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09:11.26Linnakplease someone help me to fix this. after apt-get update at the end of the update I get this message W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.hu.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-i386_Packages)
09:11.29Linnaki have no duplicate entries http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SWjYUjcP
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09:20.45valdyndeb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian jessie contrib main is a partial duplicate of deb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
09:20.53valdynLinnak: ^^
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09:21.18valdynLinnak: also, you can have contrib without non-free there, but it makes no sense at all
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09:21.42valdynLinnak: thats not an error, thats just make no sense
09:22.19Linnakvaldyn: sop how should my sources list look like:
09:22.47valdynLinnak: remove lines 1-8
09:24.03valdynLinnak: or you can actually keep line 8 if you need to deb-src
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09:25.02valdynLinnak: where you have contrib you should have non-free too, in the same line
09:25.04Linnaki generated a sources.list here http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ is that all right http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9HddgtvT
09:25.35valdynLinnak: nearly, replace "testing" with "jessie"
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09:26.03Linnakthanks
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10:13.16talin_hello
10:13.26talin_what is the right way to add multiple IPs to one interface now?
10:13.37l0p3nHello. Does anyone know the reason behind the new sudo update?
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10:14.21l0p3nCan't find anything on the changelog for the package.
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10:16.10talin_there ius some "new way", but it doesn't specify which releases
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10:29.33svdlindentalin_: subinterfaces? (like eth0:0)
10:29.50talin_svdlinden: isn't that alias syntax legacy stuff?
10:30.02svdlindentalin_: that’s what I always did, and it seems neat to me
10:30.08svdlindentalin_: might be
10:30.18talin_svdlinden, hmm, maybe i should give it a try
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10:31.01talin_there are no error messages anywhere either
10:31.24svdlindenI can’t find anything in man interfaces
10:31.38svdlinden:-/
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10:38.42ariscopsvdlinden, ip addr add 1.2.3.4/mask dev eth0
10:38.48ariscopfor future reference
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10:39.21svdlindenariscop: sure, but that is a command, not a config file
10:39.33ariscopOh, ignore me then
10:39.37svdlindenariscop: could use that in a post-up though
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10:39.59ariscopyeah, i went looking for the multi address documentation a while ago, no luck
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10:40.43svdlindenariscop: talin_ asked about this and didn’t say whether he was looking for a command or a config file actually
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10:41.25talin_svdlinden, config file would be great
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10:44.41shreknetHey ho, I need help =(. I updated mysql to 5.6 but now my ruby will not work any more. Perhaps I need to update some lib, too because reinstalling the mysql2 gem does not help.
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10:50.39talin_damn, this is driving me insane
10:51.31talin_here is my interfaces-file
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10:51.37talin_and my ifconfig output after a reboot
10:51.45talin_https://dpaste.de/Fg4R
10:51.59Orginatorrunning debian 7, is there a way to completely disable /var/log/wtmp ? Or stop it from being rotated? Because, even tho I redirect it to /dev/null, it does gets rotated so that wtmp.1 is /dev/null and the new one is gathering info again..
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10:52.10talin_eth0 is getting dhcp... ?!
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10:56.12dutchfishOrginator, dont, because its part of the system libs, see man utmp
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10:57.04dutchfishOrginator, many programs depend on it
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10:57.48dutchfishOrginator, you can however alter the rotation scheme
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10:58.47dutchfishOrginator, also see logrotate
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11:01.21dob1hi, which mini-pc do you suggest me for installing debian as little office server? (nas, openvpn, backuppc, cups).  I need it fanless, low power consumption.  Something better than a raspberry pi with better I/O performance.
11:01.49dutchfishdob1, an rpi II maybe?
11:02.16dob1dutchfish, it shares bus with ethernet, usb as the old model
11:02.19p0g0dob1: there are a lot of mini-itx boards that will do.
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11:03.10dutchfishdob1, p0g0 but pick one with a broad support, anything goes
11:03.36dob1p0g0, if i go for x86, assembling a pc on my own i think i have to put a fan on it, so no fanless
11:03.55p0g0dob1: no, there are fanless mini-itx devices.
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11:04.27dob1p0g0, just ready or i have to assemble it ?
11:05.11p0g0dob1: you can choose a Celeron, AMD, or other CPU/APUs.  The boards are complete, with CPU, buy RAM and a power supply and you can just play.
11:05.35p0g0dob1: the only caution is to get the right RAM.
11:05.57p0g0Some of those boards as SODIMM, most are not.
11:06.03dob1p0g0, can you give me some example?
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11:06.34dob1just to take a look
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11:06.37p0g0dob1: go to your favorite vendor, say newegg.com, and search mini-itx, fanless.
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11:08.07dob1p0g0, i search on amazon
11:08.51mayaaHi, I just installed Debian and the xord does not start, it say "Screen found bu none have a usable configuration", can you help me to debug that ?
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11:10.31SynrGymayaa: which graphics chipset? let's see lspci -nn | grep VGA
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11:11.58mayaaSynrGy, VGA compatible controller [0300] NVIDIA Corporatio Device [10de:1380] (rev a2)
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11:14.37towo`mayaa, geforce gtx 750, nouveau does not support that card
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11:15.04mayaatowo`, I installed the nvidia driver actualy
11:15.25mayaatowo`, but not you says that it remind me that the log say it try to load nouveau
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11:15.49towo`you installed which nvidia driver how?
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11:16.08towo`for a gtx 750 you would need 343.36-1 from experimental
11:16.16mayaatowo`, https://wiki.debian.org/fr/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports
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11:17.40djaceHi
11:18.18mayaatowo`, the list of device say my card is know, I am wrong ?
11:18.21mayaaHi
11:18.22djaceJust installed Testing on a new system, and I'm quite surprised that when I issue the 'reboot' command, it reboots immediately without even sending out the typical 'wall' message.
11:18.39towo`mayaa, provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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11:20.45Orginatordutchfish but I didn't find in logratate
11:21.23dutchfishOrginator, debian wheezy?
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11:21.41mayaatowo`, http://sprunge.us/fKQc
11:21.57Orginatordutchfish nvm.. I was just looking at the config directry, instead of the conf file
11:21.59Orginatormy bad.. thanks
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11:22.21towo`mayaa, you have not followed the wiki
11:22.56towo`mayaa, you missed the config part! https://wiki.debian.org/fr/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure
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11:23.55mayaatowo`, I did that, I just check the file and it's here
11:24.13dutchfishOrginator, yes, its all in /etc/logrotate.conf what you are after is the KEEP
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11:24.32towo`mayaa, look in your paste!
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11:24.48towo`mayaa, [    16.705] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
11:24.53towo`that's all
11:25.19towo`mayaa, ls -ld /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
11:25.41dutchfishOrginator, als bare in mind that logrotate wont pick up the changes until it is started again
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11:27.08mayaatowo`, eeeer, I juste put the line in a xorg.conf.d file, my bad I will fix that now, thx to pointing that
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11:29.54mayaatowo`, It was that, thx :)
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11:33.07dutchfishOrginator, if you are after better security, also consider remote logging; that also wont clog up your disk with log space so it will have a slight better performance
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11:51.56Delphinhi, for some reason I cant use HTTP post but it seems to be working because I get no error responce, but the file I am posting to does not update?
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11:54.41c-cDelphin: you are using HTTP post from where, to where?
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11:55.05c-cDelphin and this relates to Debian how?
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11:56.09DelphinI am on a debian machine
11:56.15Delphinwith a webserver
11:56.22c-cThis chan is *about* debian
11:56.30c-cnot about troubleshooting *your* webapp
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11:56.40DelphinBope
11:56.45DelphinPredient
11:56.49DelphinPU
11:56.55c-cDelphin: perhaps your webserver could be debugged in #httpd
11:57.02DelphinThey dont allow me to talk
11:57.19AndrewGWhy not?
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11:57.29c-cYou are not registered on freenode.
11:57.35DelphinOh
11:57.37c-cDelphin: google how to register freenode
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12:01.36AndrewGI have built ZFS, but I can't get the kernel modules to load...
12:01.36AndrewGmodprobe -v spl
12:01.36AndrewGinsmod /lib/modules/3.18.7-v7+/extra/spl/spl.ko
12:01.36AndrewGERROR: could not insert 'spl': Exec format error
12:01.36AndrewG[/var/log/messages] spl: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
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12:02.38AndrewGoops
12:03.45AndrewGAnyone know what I did wrong so the modules I built don't match. I thought I grabbed the right kernel sources.
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12:04.58jellyAndrewG: you need the right kernel headers from the exact same tree where the kernel was built.  Sources are not enough.
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12:05.19jellyAndrewG: "3.18.7-v7+" is a weird kernel for Debian, where did you get that from?
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12:05.39jelly(or, why are you not using a kernel from the distro)
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12:05.41AndrewGraspberry pi build of wheezy.
12:05.47zfevaffanculo debian
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12:06.03jellyAndrewG: then you're using raspbian, ask in #raspbian
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12:06.13AndrewGOK.
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12:09.35NemeSiswho wants to help : http://serverfault.com/questions/670531/redirect-all-request-to-specific-url-nginx
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12:10.00bazhangtry #nginx NemeSis
12:10.26NemeSiswhat ?
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12:10.37bazhangits a channel name
12:10.43c-cgo to #nginx, NemeSis
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12:10.52NemeSisbazhang, ok but nobody is on there
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12:11.03bazhang<PROTECTED>
12:11.09c-csorry, this channel is not for nginx debugging
12:11.11jellyAndrewG: only the latest r.pi 2 is able to run normal debian armhf userspace
12:11.15NemeSisbazhang, chanel is empty
12:11.22NemeSisc-c, chanel is empty
12:11.25bazhangNemeSis, only 755 users
12:11.28c-cNemeSis: sorry, this channel is not for nginx debugging
12:11.52NemeSisbazhang, yes but nobody is answer
12:11.54bazhangNemeSis, you are in it now
12:12.01bazhangso be patient
12:12.27jellyc-c: this channel is for debian tech support, including using apache or nginx or whatever on Debian.  However sometimes a user will get better or faster help elsewhere
12:12.46NemeSisbzed, sure
12:12.56bazhanghe wait 20 seconds
12:13.02bazhang+ed
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12:13.32jellyNemeSis: be patient.  On weekends it can take hours to get any response
12:13.42c-cjelly: ok, so, anything related to the 46000 software packages on debian is ok here. Ok, no wonder I get told to go to #bash when I have problems with debian scripting.
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12:13.56bazhangheh
12:13.56NemeSisjelly, thank you
12:14.03c-cIs there a debian focus -only channel?
12:14.27jellyc-c: whoever told you that assessed your question and thought you'd get better help in #bash for that specific question
12:15.08c-cYes, and no suprise, due to reasons I and you mentined above.
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12:25.32Guest9300When I run top -n 1 | grep "Mem" I get TERM environment variable not set.
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12:25.35Guest9300What does this mean?
12:26.19jellyGuest9300: what if you just run "top" in the same shell/terminal?
12:26.28themillsuspects cron
12:26.32Guest9300same
12:26.42Guest9300Am doing it through a SSH2 protocol over PHP
12:27.02Guest9300other commands like uptime return successfully
12:27.04Guest9300It just top
12:27.10phoggGuest9300: then you don't have a proper terminal; why not just use free?
12:27.11jellyGuest9300: top expects to be run in an interactive session, with a tty.
12:27.21themillI'm not really sure where to start...
12:28.15phoggGuest9300: Did you ever notice that unlike uptime, which just prints text out, top controls the screen, needs to know its size, redraws it, etc? This requires a lot more information... the type an interactive terminal sets for you, but php probably will not.
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12:28.53jellyGuest9300: what happens if you set the environment variable to TERM=dumb?
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12:29.05jellyexpects "top: failed tty get"
12:29.18themillAlso look at free(1). Or /proc/meminfo.
12:29.26Guest9300I did not know that. No need to be an ass about it jelly
12:29.36Guest9300free worked great
12:29.43phoggGuest9300: you probably should use "free" for getting memory info, that said top -b changes its output to "just print text" like other programs
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12:30.25jellyGuest9300: sorry, why am I an ass?  the "dumb" part has a valid terminfo definition dude
12:30.50phoggdumb as in "dumb terminal" not as in "dumb question"
12:31.18jellyif I wanted to call you names, I wouldn't have put it in an env.var...
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12:32.58Guest9300Sorry
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12:37.53bewilledGnome System Monitors shows me that very little memory is currently being used compared to what top shows me. It shows that only 12% of total ram is being used. But according top top it should be 100%
12:38.15phoggbewilled: But what does free say?
12:38.35phoggbewilled: Memory usage is not as straightforward as it seems; both things could be true.
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12:39.48bewilledfree says that top is right
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12:40.04phoggbewilled: run "free" and look at the "free" column; Under the "Mem" line will be a number that is absolute free memory, but on the next line below that will be another number
12:40.19phoggbewilled: if you add both of those together you'll probably get what gnome reports
12:40.20bewilledgnome is totally off, (not running it as root though)
12:41.09phoggbewilled: GNOME is reporting something easy to understand, free and top report more granularly. Memory may be available for allocation but not free, but users don't understand that.
12:41.58phoggbewilled: IOW, GNOME is not "off", it's just trying not to hurt your head
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12:43.27phoggbewilled: okay, having now looked I see that GNOME reports this: It takes used memory and subtracts cache, then reports that.
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12:44.53bewilledas the total memory used. OK I should read more about memory usage
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12:45.53phoggbewilled: If you like you can. The important thing to understand is that free memory is unused entirely, but some memory is used but can be re-used immediately if there's a need.
12:45.55Guest9300is there a free type for cpu?
12:46.30phoggGuest9300: A way to report CPU usage? You can get some such information from ps
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12:46.55Guest9300uptime does report back cpu usage aswell?
12:47.19phoggGuest9300: uptime reports load average, which is not the same thing
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12:49.05phoggGuest9300: with ps ax -o pid,pcpu,cmd you will get a "CPU usage" percentage for each pid, but this is not to be taken too seriously since usage varies so much one moment to the next.
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12:57.40bzedNemeSis: sure... what?
12:58.04NemeSisbzed, what ?
12:58.15bzed13:12:46 < NemeSis> bzed, sure
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12:58.27bzedNemeSis: guess you meant somebody else
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13:09.18ghormoonHi, is there a way to list monitors from ssh? Without using xrandr, that fails :)
13:09.44jelly,v sl
13:09.45juddPackage: sl on i386 -- squeeze: 3.03-16; jessie: 3.03-17; sid: 3.03-17; wheezy: 3.03-17
13:10.15SynrGyDISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr -q
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13:11.23SynrGyghormoon: ^^ works for me
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13:11.32ghormoonCant open display :0.0
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13:11.46SynrGymaybe needs XAUTHORITY set too
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13:12.04SynrGyyou need to have permission to point at the xauthority file for the logged in user
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13:12.09debianfunthe wikipage for installing kvm doesnt seem to work
13:12.12jellyghormoon: is there anyone logged in at the console?
13:12.13ghormoonFirst, startx fails to detect the card, maybe im skipping a step
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13:12.21SynrGyXAUTHORITY=<path-to-xauthority-file> DISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr -q
13:12.41SynrGyghormoon: is Xorg actually running?
13:12.59SynrGyif not, then xrandr won't work, period.
13:13.08SynrGynothing to do with ssh
13:14.31debianfunhi
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13:14.58ghormoonSeems not
13:15.34SynrGyghormoon: so what are you trying to accomplish by listing monitors?
13:15.37ghormoonI wanted to see if it detects monitor connected, maybe i need to fix the vga first
13:15.52ghormoonI need to make it display something :P
13:15.55SynrGywe're too deep into it. back out to the top-level end-user problem you're trying to solve
13:16.01ghormoonI'm sshing to my laptop from my phone
13:16.09SynrGyi see.
13:16.15SynrGynormally you can't startx without configuration
13:16.36SynrGyXorg by default is explicitly configured to prohibit startx from ssh
13:17.09ghormoonWell xorg log seemd like it tried, but failed to work with the vga
13:17.22ghormoonI'll try to copy it out somehow
13:19.14SynrGysee /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
13:19.38SynrGyghormoon: the default is: allowed_users=console
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13:20.12SynrGyghormoon: the file tells you how to change it in comments. you just run dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
13:20.16ghormoonGhormoon.ghorland.net/x.log
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13:20.33ghormoonLowercase g, stupid phone
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13:20.41SynrGyghormoon: you can change it from "Console Users Only" to "Anybody" from the debconf dialog
13:20.50ghormoonIt did atempt, but didn't detect vga
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13:21.48ghormoonMost likely i had that already on since before i've been vncing to the machine and i started vnc over ssh
13:22.34talin_hello. is it possible to search for a package that contains a particular binary?
13:22.40talin_with apt-cache search, for example
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13:22.51themilltalin_: apt-file is your friend
13:22.57mtntalin_: apt-file or the package website
13:23.24ghormoonBtw the /dev/ati/card0 exists, other don't
13:23.26talin_thanks guys
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13:24.16ghormoonAlso there's virtual cirrus card which i don't even see in the output (i want to use the ati)
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13:24.43SynrGyghormoon: did you read *anything* i said?
13:24.58SynrGyghormoon: you're going on and on, and i gave you the solution, i think
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13:25.46SynrGyghormoon: vnc is not Xorg
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13:26.02SynrGyghormoon: did you even check the file? did you try the dpkg-reconfigure x11-common?
13:26.18ghormoonYup, after reconfigure it still does the same
13:26.33SynrGyso it was "Console Users Only" before?
13:26.41ghormoonThough this is not oly a out xorg, i dont even see  console
13:26.41SynrGyand is now "Anybody"?
13:26.45ghormoonYup
13:26.58ghormoonThe screen is just plain black
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13:27.20SynrGy"it doesn't work" means what? same result as before or different? and if different, what's different about it? any new error output?
13:28.12ghormoonSame error
13:29.24ghormoonMaybe if i'll manage to block the cirrus card, i'll see at least console ... is there a way to check what display is the console on?
13:29.53SynrGy,v fglrx-driver
13:29.54juddPackage: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; experimental/non-free: 1:14.12-1
13:30.01NemeSisbzed, please help me to solve this : http://serverfault.com/questions/670531/redirect-all-request-to-specific-url-nginx
13:30.01NemeSisplease help me to solve this : http://serverfault.com/questions/670531/redirect-all-request-to-specific-url-nginx
13:30.33ghormoonFglrx-driver is installed
13:30.44SynrGyfrom debian repo?
13:30.47ghormoonYup
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13:31.39mdorenkahey guys, theres a package (firehol) which is in version 2.0 in debian sid. however im on wheezy... how can i install it anyway?
13:31.42SynrGyghormoon: i don't know what the proprietary driver finds objectionable. doesn't seem obvious from the log
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13:31.45mdorenkaor build it for wheezy?
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13:32.15SynrGyghormoon: it appears to think you don't have any supported graphics card ...
13:32.24bzedNemeSis: this is not an nginx help channel.
13:32.26SynrGyghormoon: what does lspci -nn say for your graphics card device?
13:32.44themillmdorenka: it looks easily backportable -- /msg dpkg ssb
13:32.52bzedNemeSis: but here is a hint... if ($host != 'domain') … {}
13:32.53SynrGyghormoon: have you ever had Xorg working correctly on this system? if so, what's different about this time?
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13:34.20keyboardpusherhi
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13:34.29mdorenkathemill: thanks :)
13:34.29keyboardpushercan someone help me get kvm going?
13:34.43SynrGy!ask
13:34.43dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:34.45keyboardpusherim getting errors even when i use the instructions found on the debian wiki
13:35.11NemeSisbzed, can you give me an example or any link to to learn it to me ?
13:35.13SynrGywell, describe what you tried, including the command typed and its output
13:35.20SynrGyuse paste.debian.net for the output
13:35.54keyboardpusheri start virt-manager and it tells me it cannot connect to libvirtd
13:36.12keyboardpusherpermission denied
13:36.32themilldpkg: tell keyboardpusher about ask
13:36.41keyboardpusheri've tried other guides, including the ubuntu one, and still no help
13:36.48keyboardpusheri'm opening pastebin to paste you my error message
13:37.05themillkeyboardpusher: "the guide on the wiki" really tells us nothing btw
13:37.19keyboardpusherhttp://wiki.debian.org/KVM
13:37.21keyboardpusherthat one
13:37.29SynrGykeyboardpusher: please use paste.debian.net or any other *reasonable* pastebin, not pastebin.com, though
13:37.34SynrGy!pastebin.com
13:37.34dpkgpastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads.  Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
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13:38.35keyboardpusherhttp://paste.debian.net/154784/
13:39.08themillkeyboardpusher: what's the output of "id" for that user?
13:39.38keyboardpusheri dont understand what you mean
13:40.10keyboardpusheruid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),105(scanner),110(bluetooth),111(netdev),120(kvm)
13:40.14keyboardpusherif you mean the id command
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13:41.30SynrGyyes
13:41.45ghormoonLspci -nn ghormoon@ghorland.net/lspci.txt
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13:42.02ghormoonDamn, not @, but .
13:42.39SynrGyok. so you think maybe it sees the cirrus and not the other?
13:42.44ghormoonSorry, it took me quite long to write pipe and redirection on the phone :D
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13:43.07ghormoonMaybe, but i didn"t find a way to ban the cirrus yet
13:43.09hrustihi I was developing app on my local server and my mail functionality work ok. Now when I it is running on remote server I got exception Connection could not be established with host .... I am noobie with debian but I believe my sever "block port" becouse on local machine it work ok and I can also connect with terminal by telnet to my smtp provider. Where can I check for this?
13:43.09SynrGyghormoon: also what about my earlier question? have you *ever* had Xorg working on the radeon?
13:43.24ghormoonNot on the radeon, i've just added it
13:43.26keyboardpusheroh cool, puteaux, went past there a couple of months ago :)
13:43.41keyboardpusherthemill: any ideas what i should do next?
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13:43.47keyboardpusheri've tried restarting
13:44.12ghormoonThough it works in debian install, when its bare metal and not polluted with cirrus
13:44.14keyboardpusherlsmod | grep vhost suggests that the vhost_net module is loaded
13:44.33SynrGyghormoon: re 'it works' meaning xorg works after the install?
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13:44.41SynrGyghormoon: on the radeon?
13:45.21ghormoonIt works if i don't have the cirrus, even if i hack this install to boot direcly, but under xen, the cirrus goes first
13:45.39SynrGyghormoon: your card is "Northern Islands" which should work fine, even on wheezy. all you need for the free radeon driver is the non-free firmware.
13:45.55SynrGyghormoon: why did you install the non-free driver?
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13:46.18ghormoonThat was long time ago experimenting, i may try removing it
13:46.24keyboardpusherhmmm
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13:46.38SynrGyghormoon: yes, do.
13:46.58SynrGyghormoon: just make sure you have non-free enabled in apt and install firmware-linux-nonfree
13:47.04mdorenkathemill: fyi: not easily backportable at all due to dependencies to iproute2
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13:47.17SynrGyghormoon: you should be able to remove xorg.conf entirely and Xorg should autoconfigure just fine
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13:48.23ghormooni'm just removing fglrx* and i'll see
13:48.30SynrGyk. good luck
13:49.23themillmdorenka: iproute2 is also in wheezy-backports
13:49.37ghormoonNow it started, but on the cirrus ...
13:49.54ghormoonThough it sy
13:50.03ghormoonIt says omre than one device found
13:50.07mdorenkaah ok good to know :)
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13:50.55FreeaqingmeHi folks, is there any way to persist ip rules and routes? I'm hoping to be able to keep /etc/network/interfaces for my interfaces config only
13:51.07SynrGyghormoon: might need to tell the BIOS which card to use
13:51.34ghormoonno idea how to do that, if even possible in seabios
13:51.47SynrGyone of them is integrated and one a card
13:51.48SynrGy?
13:51.49ghormoonIs it possible to make xorg choose?
13:52.04ghormoonOne of them is virtual, it's a VM
13:52.05SynrGyevery BIOS i've ever seen allows you to choose
13:52.09SynrGyoh
13:52.20ghormoonThe cirrus is basically vnc server
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13:52.31valdynFreeaqingme: iptables-save
13:52.36ghormoonThough on the hypervisor side
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13:52.41SynrGyghormoon: out of my depth
13:52.50jellyhad to blacklist i915 to make nouveau work, because the bios setting did not disable everything
13:52.53ghormoonBut it seemed xorg detected both
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13:52.57Freeaqingmevaldyn, that persists the iptables rules. I've already covered that. I mean rules like 'ip rule add fwmark 99 lookup 99'
13:53.02ghormoonSo maybe its possible to choose
13:53.27SynrGyyeah. maybe one of those cases where manual xorg.conf configuration is actually needed.
13:53.37SynrGythe simple cases, Xorg handles automatically
13:53.49valdynFreeaqingme: that i would do in /etc/network/interfaces
13:53.55ghormoonIs it possible to make it save the automatic one?
13:54.39ectospasmI'm using konsole 2.8.4 in wheezy, and long URLs are wrapped, but only the first line is highlighted as a URL.
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13:55.06ectospasmAlso, I can't seem to find where to turn on clickable links (I have to right-click, then Open Link)
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13:56.17valdynFreeaqingme: actually i use shorewall for this, but thats probably overkill for you
13:56.31SynrGyghormoon: family needs me ... for xorg configuration, i refer you to the rest of the channel. i'm sure you'll figure it out
13:56.34SynrGylater
13:56.34SynrGyand good luck
13:56.37jellyectospasm: wrap detection of URLs seems to work in konsole in jessie for me
13:56.55ghormoonThanks, see ya
13:57.00ectospasmjelly: that isn't backported to wheezy, though is it?
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13:57.13jellynope
13:57.13ectospasmI don't have time to wrestle with filing bugs in jessie
13:57.28ectospasmnor to upgrade for one feature.
13:57.41themillectospasm: jessie isn't going to change much between now and release
13:57.59jellyyou'll have to keep using selection from the terminal, like normal people do!
13:58.30Freeaqingmevaldyn, yep :P I'll just use /etc/network/interfaces. Just means that I'll need to do some more hacking in our puppe tmodules
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14:00.54mdorenkathemill, unfortunately i cant build it ..dont have enough space on target system:( is there something like launchpad but only for debian?
14:01.03mdorenkawhere i canremotely build software?
14:01.21mdorenkaor should i dist-upgrade my system to sid?
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14:05.07Pulechello, seems like I am at the right place to ask about error when making znc with python support
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14:06.25endogenPulec try #znc
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14:06.35Pulecok thx
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14:10.23Pulecproblem solved btw had this problem exactly http://forum.lowendspirit.com/viewtopic.php?pid=8048#p8048
14:10.32Pulecseems like 256MB is not enough
14:11.29bOSKEdid someone install steam on jessie i installed it with this http://linuxconfig.org/installation-of-steam-client-on-debian-jessie-8-linux-64bit
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14:11.45bOSKEand i get Error: You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
14:11.46bOSKElibGL.so.1
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14:12.39centrxbOSKE, Why are you using that? Just install the package in the Debian repository
14:12.42valdynbOSKE: so you need libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 or nvidia-glx:i386, depending on your current driver
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14:13.29bOSKEcentrx, what package steam:i386?
14:13.35centrxyes
14:13.40bOSKEvaldyn, i have ati radeon card
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14:15.18bOSKEcentrx, do i need multiarch for that package?
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14:15.40centrxbOSKE, Yes you still need to activate multiarch
14:15.46bOSKEk tnx
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14:21.38bOSKEcentrx, i installed that package and still the same error
14:22.00centrxHow did you install it
14:22.09bOSKEfrom synaptic
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14:23.04centrxbOSKE, apt-get install steam should install libgl1-mesa-glx
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14:23.19centrxbOSKE, It's possible the previous "steam" package you downloaded is messing it up
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14:23.36bOSKEi delete the previous package
14:23.47bOSKEi downloaded it from steam site
14:24.03centrxHow did you delete the previous package
14:24.35bOSKEin synaptic i clicked mark for removal
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14:25.01centrxok do: dpkg --purge steam steam-launcher
14:25.15centrxthen do apt-get install steam:i386
14:25.20centrxnot sure what synaptic uses
14:25.27centrxbut it's probably the same as synaptic
14:26.43bOSKEi did it now it updates
14:27.31bzedNemeSis: http://nginx.org/en/docs/
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14:30.32raidghostJust installed libvirt
14:30.48raidghostThere is something i would say is wrong
14:31.02raidghostwhy does it say 1600Mhz
14:31.31raidghostwhen the cpu is a 3Ghz
14:33.33AimHere1600MHz sounds like the RAM clock speed
14:34.22jubo2Last time I checked the fastest RAM was around 1866MHz
14:34.38jubo21600MHz is a widely used RAM speed
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14:36.45bOSKEcentrx, again w8 to see if i have installed libgl1-mesa-glx
14:37.19bOSKEi have it libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
14:37.51raidghostAimHere: can i pm you some output=?
14:38.10raidghostOr maybe i can paste 5 lines
14:38.13jellyraidghost: most CPUs downclock when idle
14:38.15jelly!paste
14:38.15dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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14:39.19jellythis 3.4GHz i5 usually works at 1.2GHz
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14:39.22bOSKEso does someone have an idea how to install steam on jessie?
14:39.44raidghostSo, everything is like suppose to be?
14:39.45jellybOSKE: add non-free sources, install it
14:40.02jellydpkg, tell bOSKE about non-free
14:40.17raidghostjelly: So its normal?
14:40.27jellyraidghost: yes, that might just be normal
14:40.48spalYou can also use:
14:40.48spalI believe there is an error in https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages -- "You can also use: apt-cache pkgnames"
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14:42.16spalIs there a way to find out if a package is installed or not using apt-cache? For example, I don't have xchat installed. I am trying to figure how I can know this fact from the output of "apt-cache show xchat"
14:42.23bOSKEjelly, install what from non-free steam?
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14:43.10raidghostNgnix vs Apache2?
14:43.15raidghostWhats the big difference?=
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14:45.21raidghostThanks for info by the way. Was Great;)
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14:48.40spalAlthough my USB drive has been mounted as ntfs (rw), I am unable to write to it. `mkdir foo` leads to `mkdir: cannot create directory ‘foo’: Operation not permitted`. `echo hi > foo` leads to `bash: foo: Permission denied`. This is how my drive has been mounted: `ev/sdb1 on /media/susam/Susam-Purple-32GB type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000
14:48.40spal,gid=1000,fmask=0177,dmask=077,nls=utf8,errors=continue,mft_zone_multiplier=1,uhelper=udisks2)`. How can I write to my ntfs partitioned USB drive?
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14:49.34acemispal: dpkg -s package | egrep Status
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14:51.41acemispal: do you write to USB as root?
14:51.52spalacemi: `dpkg -s xchat` -- 'dpkg-query: package 'xchat' is not installed and no information is available'. The output of `dpkg -s foo` is also similar. so it is not helping me to differentiate between uninstalled package and non-existent package.
14:52.27spalacemi: I normally to write to FAT32 partitioned USB drives as non-root user. For this ntfs patitioned USB drive, I tried writing as root as well as non-root user. But none succeeded.
14:52.51valdynspal: unmount, run ntfsfix on it, mount again
14:53.54spalvaldyn: ntfsfix: command not found. Which package provides this command?
14:54.24valdynspal: the ntfs-3g package
14:54.37spalvaldyn: let me try. thanks.
14:54.55valdynspal: you should be using that for ntfs anyway
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15:02.49spalthanks valdyn. installing ntfs-3g resolved my issue.
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15:17.17RDashI have Debian 8 (Jessie) installed with Cinnamon but when adding a VPN it complaints that plugins are not installed.
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15:17.18johnkeateslaunching gnome-shell from gdm3 creates a segfault but running startx from a tty works fine.. running jessie
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15:17.32johnkeatesRDash: install network-manager-* to install all plugins
15:18.27RDashjohnkeates, thanks installing now :)
15:18.48RDashjohnkeates, still the same issue
15:18.53RDasheven after network-manager restart
15:19.06johnkeatesRDash: does cinnamon complain or does network-manager complain?
15:19.12RDashcinnamon
15:19.32johnkeatesCinnamon needs to keep it's dirty mouth shut :p try launching network manager gui manually
15:19.58RDashjohnkeates, which one? :P
15:20.09Brigojohnkeates, with jessie?
15:20.18johnkeateswell, I use gnome and therefore I run network-manager-gnome
15:20.30johnkeatesbut I guess cinnamon has it's own version of that?
15:20.33johnkeatesI'm using Jessie too
15:21.01RDashjohnkeates, launched... it is exact same thing :P
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15:21.57BrigoRDash, check you have the plugins installed with dpkg -l networ-manager*
15:22.07RDashBrigo, their installed :)
15:22.17Brigojohnkeates, i think you should check the logs
15:22.55johnkeatesBrigo: logs don't say anything, i'm getting a libfreetype segfault
15:23.03BrigoRDash, i don't use NM so i cannot be sure, but i think you should check logs too.
15:23.17Brigojohnkeates, what logs?
15:23.25RDashBrigo, does cinnamon use network manager at all? I am starting to doubt that :P
15:23.45johnkeatesBrigo: dmesg, auth.log, daemon.log, user.log, gdm3/* etc
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15:24.17johnkeatesBrigo: but I can start a Wayland session from GDM
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15:24.20BrigoRDash, there is not alternative but wicd.
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15:24.36johnkeatesBrigo: but I don't want Wayland because it's buggy
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15:26.47RDashfuck I rekt my install -.-"
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15:27.00johnkeatesBy the way, VPN via network-manager sucks, I use openvpn and vpnc from the CLI, way more reliable :p
15:27.03johnkeatesRDash: aww
15:27.08RDashxD
15:27.18RDashjohnkeates, I wanted to use VPNC
15:27.28RDashbut would have to setup it first :P
15:28.03Brigojohnkeates, then search in the bug track system if the bug exists or report it.
15:28.06Brigohttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=gdm3
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15:28.11bOSKEcentrx, i solved it i had to create link ln -s /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/fglrx/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
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15:39.04p-trusthey, i have asus laptop f453 with Intel ValleyView chipset, debian 7.8.0 x32.
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15:39.32p-trustI can adjust brightness (backlight) by echo'ing values to /sys/class/backlught/asus-nb-wmi/brightness
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15:39.55p-trustbut it changes only after reboot
15:40.18p-trustIs there any way to update it ?
15:40.27p-trustwithout rebooting*
15:41.12p-trustFn+F[4,5]don't work, getting exceptions in dmesg, also xbacklight doesn't identify any screens. But since I can do that via /sys it's ok
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15:50.37introomI do a search in 'less', and press alt+u to stop the highlight search. but only on Debian this won't work.
15:50.48introomcan anyone here help me confirm this?
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15:50.57introomdebian sid.
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15:51.54centrxpressing Alt-U removes the search highlighting on my less
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15:53.45introomcentrx: are you on debian sid?
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16:51.59Broatcastno changelog for sudo package?
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16:53.26no_gravitygood evening
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16:54.13centrxBroatcast, ?
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16:54.44no_gravityone of my debian servers is getting hammered with a lot of traffic. top tells me the cpu is only at 50% and wait state is only 1%. yet the pages load slow. any ideas how to find out why?
16:55.01centrxdisk/database load?
16:55.06centrxiostat
16:55.18centrxiostat -d 10
16:55.26no_gravitycentrx: no iostat on that server. will some other tool give the info too?
16:55.38Broatcastroot@debian:/etc# aptitude changelog sudo
16:55.39BroatcastErr Changelog of sudo
16:55.39BroatcastE: Changelog download failed: 404  Not Found [IP: 185.31.17.184 80]
16:55.39BroatcastErr Changelog of sudo
16:55.39BroatcastE: Changelog download failed: 404  Not Found [IP: 23.235.43.185 80]
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16:56.28Broatcastsry ^^
16:56.29Broatcasthttp://paste.debian.net/154951/
16:56.48centrxno_gravity, I don't know, you could measure with dd if you know how fast it was normally
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16:56.58no_gravitycentrx: measure what?
16:57.06Broatcastno changelog
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16:57.13centrxno_gravity, how fast you can write /dev/zero to disk
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16:57.39centrxBroatcast, I think that's just a mix-up because it's an NMU
16:57.46centrxBroatcast, You can see the full changelog at http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/sudo/sudo_1.8.10p3-1+deb8u1_changelog
16:57.51no_gravitycentrx: what would that tell me?
16:58.15centrxno_gravity, I suppose it would tell you how fast you can write a file to disk given other load that is already on the disk
16:58.31centrxno_gravity, Look at your database log, see what queries are running and how long they are taking
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16:59.02jhutchinsBroatcast: No change.
16:59.03Broatcastok thx
17:00.16jhutchinsno_gravity: 50% is pretty high for a webserver.  Sounds like it might be processing lots of CGI.
17:00.29no_gravityjhutchins: yes, it does :)
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17:00.35unseensoulHi
17:00.36jhutchinsno_gravity: iostat is part of sysstat.
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17:01.19unseensoulWhere can I append a directory to $PATH permanently? ~/.profile won't do the job...
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17:01.44no_gravityjhutchins: part of sysstat so now what?
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17:03.39jhutchinsno_gravity: So you could install it if you wanted, but it sounds like you're CPU bound and might need to do some tuning for whatever kind of CGI you're using.
17:03.56jhutchinsno_gravity: Are you seeing that number as a composite of multiple CPUs?
17:04.01no_gravityjhutchins: yes
17:04.04no_gravity2 cpus
17:04.19no_gravityeach is at about 50%
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17:06.42unseensoulHi
17:06.45unseensoulWhere can I append a directory to $PATH permanently? ~/.profile won't do the job...
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17:09.06centrx.bashrc ?
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17:14.45unseensoulcentrx, it might work. I have to log out first. But it seems ~/.profile isn't being loaded at all. I might be wrong though.
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17:17.56jhutchinsunforgiven512: /etc/bash.bashrc /etc/profile /etc/profile.d
17:18.12jhutchinsSigh.
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17:20.15mdimhi everyone
17:20.37mdimany hints when we can be expecting a new Debian stable release?
17:20.51abrotmanmdim: No one knows for sure, when Jessie RC bugs hit zero.
17:21.01jhutchinsmdim: As soon as it's ready.
17:21.14mdimabrotman: where can I track the bugs?
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17:21.21abrotmandpkg: tell mdim about rc bugs
17:21.33abrotmanmdim: see what the bot told you
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17:33.34p-trustwhy when using LXDE after rebooting I can see a 'dump' of the last screen for 1 second?
17:34.06p-trustecverything was on the last session appears when X is starting
17:37.27roziep-trust: probably matter of your video driver/card
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17:50.28no_gravitycopying a ton of stuff via rsyn. could it be rsync is clogging up more then 1 task? because the load is at 5 while the cpu is only at 20%. and 40% wa, according to top.
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17:55.46dondelelcarono_gravity: load just indicates the number of processes that would like to be running; it's possible that multiple processes are in io wait
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18:01.23no_gravityIm having an rsync task hanging on a small file. What is it doing? Can I find out?
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18:02.47ctmjrno_gravity: man rsync has alot of info in it
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18:05.19jamesbon1-4711hi
18:05.22p-trustHey, I've made a short video showing my issue, I've just installed debian 7.8.0 with lxde: https://vid.me/DnuB
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18:05.35p-trustthe issue is on 0:53
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18:06.04jamesbon1-4711I have just setup logwatch on my debian, but it ignores the setting for "mailer" that I have set to "msmtp"
18:06.12p-trustas you can see the previous screeen is appearing for a second
18:06.28no_gravitywhats a good way to delete a *huge* directory?
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18:06.46jamesbon1-4711launching logwatch from the command line with debug level 100 confirmed that the mailer configuration is being ignored and sendmail is used instead :-(
18:06.56jamesbon1-4711any suggestions or ideas?
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18:10.47teraflopsjamesbon1-4711: uhm almost in archlinux you have to install  msmtp-mta that creates a sendmail alias to msmtp
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18:15.06pankidhow is updating from wheezy to jessie going to work with systemd?
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18:15.38verriyou can still use /etc/init scripts
18:15.41johnkeatespankid: it will be using systemd once you reboot
18:15.51no_gravityI have a directory with 546282 files in it. Is there a way to delete it without waiting until christmas?
18:15.55johnkeatespankid: furthermore: using service or invoke-rc.d will just work
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18:16.16pankidsounds way easier than I was imagining
18:16.34johnkeatesno_gravity: did you try sudo rm -fr <directory>
18:17.00no_gravityjohnkeates: yeah, but that seems to take ages
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18:17.18pelloco38ciao
18:17.19johnkeatesno_gravity: in that case, split it in to 10K jobs
18:17.21dondelelcarono_gravity: it'll take a while, but it'll finish eventually.
18:17.22pelloco38!lista
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18:17.37polyphagiai don't think that'd help johnkeates
18:17.42no_gravityjohnkeates: how?
18:17.44polyphagiaunless it was a SSD or something
18:17.50johnkeatesindeed
18:17.57johnkeatesit really depends on what it's stored on
18:17.58polyphagiai'm pretty sure the bottleneck is the hdd speed isn't it
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18:18.12johnkeatesif it's a conventional HDD, you're just stuck
18:18.38dondelelcarothe bottle neck is generally the hard drive speed
18:18.49johnkeatesunless it's an SSD which is pretty common
18:18.52dondelelcaro(coupled with the fact that some filesystems are slow to delete large numbers of files)
18:19.23johnkeatesif it were a b-tree you could just delete the parent node and remove it, and the leafs from the index :p
18:19.40dondelelcaroUnless the machine is woefully underpowered, the IO layer is usually the bottleneck.
18:19.41johnkeatesbut it's not that simple for filesystems
18:19.47johnkeatestrue
18:20.08johnkeateswell, there are buffers/layers that might not like doing 100k things in sequence
18:20.24johnkeatesfor example if it's being sliced by a scheduler
18:20.44johnkeatesa 500ms pause between 10K items helps in such cases
18:20.54johnkeatesbut with a default setup that should not be the case
18:21.08p-trustWhen I reboot into lxde on 7.8.0 , the last 'dump' of desktop is appearing or 1 sec, here the vid that demonstrates the issue: https://vid.me/DnuB (see 0:53)
18:21.13p-trustis it a bug and i should report?
18:21.48teraflopsp-trust: sounds an issue on your video card
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18:22.15p-trustteraflops, it's i915 embedded, noissues at all
18:23.21p-trusti have linux slackware with xfce as well, it doesn't hapen there
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18:33.45teraflopsp-trust: tried other session manager?
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18:38.38p-trustteraflops, nope
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18:48.25sine0old laptop with x64 2gz and 1gbram. what OS would work well
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18:49.56centrxsine0, Is the answer Debian?
18:50.38teraflopscentrx: he just want a confirmation ...
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18:52.35centrxsine0, Yes Debian will do fine with that. Would recommend avoiding Gnome/KDE, using XFCE, LXDE, or a plain window manager like openbox
18:52.43{xmb}how to make -j 9 a apt-get -b source libc6
18:52.44centrxsine0, Due to the amount of RAM you have
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18:54.36no_gravityStrange, running "rm -r somedir/" on a dir with 500k files brings the load up to 30. why?
18:54.59{xmb}much in use or haxors
18:55.06centrxno_gravity, I suppose you mean 30% or 0.3 ?
18:55.13no_gravitycentrx: 30
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18:55.25no_gravitycentrx: even 50 now
18:55.29centrxno_gravity, Either way, it's because of the number of files, can get expensive for rm
18:55.44centrxno_gravity, if you delete 1 file that's 10GB big, it doesn't take much
18:55.44dondelelcarono_gravity: if you've got a lot of processes which are trying to do IO, that can happen
18:55.50no_gravitycentrx: but 50 means 50 processes waiting, right?
18:55.57dondelelcarono_gravity: try using ionice -c 3 rm -r foo;
18:55.57{xmb}try threaded removements to speed it up
18:56.06no_gravitydondelelcaro: oh, it clogges up all processes that try to access the disk?
18:56.10dondelelcarono_gravity: yes.
18:56.13no_gravityholy moly
18:56.31centrxthat seems bad
18:56.31dondelelcarono_gravity: so that's 50 other processes trying to use the disk which are stuck in line behind rm.
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18:57.02no_gravitywhat is the nicest you can set ionice to?
18:57.13dondelelcarono_gravity: that's -c 3, which is idle
18:57.30no_gravitydondelelcaro: ok, trying that
18:57.32hexagoxelto however wrote the ntpq manpage, please read `man ntpq | sed "s/ntp/chicken/g" | sed "s/NTP/CHICKEN/g"`
18:58.02no_gravitydondelelcaro: ok, load is decreasing...
18:58.23dondelelcarono_gravity: it basically means that IO to that rm has the lowest priority. It'll take longer, but that's generally OK; it'll finish eventually
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18:58.46hexagoxelbut i should be more constructive; how would i find out in general where to send suggestions to, when all i have is a package name?
18:58.46no_gravitydondelelcaro: it deleted the 500k files now :)
18:58.51no_gravitydondelelcaro: thanks a lot!
18:59.03no_gravitydondelelcaro: will that also work for rsync?
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18:59.06dondelelcarono_gravity: yep
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18:59.11no_gravitydondelelcaro: awesome
18:59.18dondelelcarono_gravity: for rsync, I actually often run it with nice -n 19 ionice -c 3 rsync ....
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18:59.31no_gravitydondelelcaro: and also for "du"?
18:59.37dondelelcarono_gravity: since I just want rsync to run, but I don't want any other processes to be inconvenienced by it
18:59.44dondelelcarono_gravity: yep; it'll work for pretty much everything
18:59.45no_gravitydondelelcaro: awesome
18:59.53dondelelcarono_gravity: the only exception is something which changes its ionice level internally
19:00.06no_gravitydondelelcaro: so the magic prefix is "nice -n 19 ionice -c 3" to run stuff without harming others?
19:00.11dondelelcarono_gravity: yep
19:00.15no_gravitydondelelcaro: great!
19:00.45srgHi guys. I'm trying to setup iptables, but I'm getting an error: http://www.pastebin.pl/view/d3b42a81
19:01.18dondelelcarosrg: is this a Debian kernel?
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19:01.55srgdondelelcaro: Yeah, it's a VPS image, then I upgraded to debian testing and uninstalled the previous kernel
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19:02.45dondelelcarosrg: oh. You probably haven't rebooted since you did that
19:03.11dondelelcarosrg: because 3.2.0-4 is wheezy's kernel
19:03.29srgoh ok. I'll reboot and see how it goes
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19:38.23srgdondelelcaro: I rebooted and got the same error. For some reason, it's looking for the old kernel.
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19:58.13srgHow can I disable a service so it does not start on boot? Specifically, nginx.
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19:59.41Walexsrg: 'man update-rc.d' probably you want 'disable'
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20:00.38teraflopssrg: https://wiki.debian.org/Daemon
20:01.16srgThanks
20:01.28srgI got a bunch of errors from insserv, but whatever
20:01.37srgLinux is so complex now-a-days
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20:03.18miskatonicno, Linux is much simpler and more straightforward  than windows or osx
20:03.31srgLinux is much more complex than freebsd, which is where I'm coming from.
20:03.41srgSo many things running and going on
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20:03.49srgI don't even know where to look to solve things
20:04.00srgIt wasn't like this 10 years ago
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20:07.53macg4hi i seem to be having a problem with aptitude. http://pastebin.com/SdwKGcVk
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20:09.08towo`you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
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20:17.20Walexsrg: Linux has been microsoftized by endless attempts by various people to do something cool...
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20:19.07Walexsrg: also it is part of the Debian culture to "solve" issues by writing very clever workarounds to them, because actually solving issues generates too much controvery, but a clever workaround can be done independently.
20:19.24srghmm
20:19.56srgsure feels like it
20:20.04Walexsrg: so Linux and Debian have been evolving a bit like "common law", where precedent matters and epicycles get added on top of epicycles.
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20:23.21Walexsrg: that "So many things running and going on" and "I don't even know where to look" are feelings that I have too, and I setup my first UNIX network and started writing drivers in 1980... :-)
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20:23.48srgheh yeah
20:23.53srgoh well
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20:24.49Walexsrg: MS-Windows used to have and still has very many places where a daemon may be started, and there are even special tools to ferret them out. Something similar is happening to GNU/Linux, where there are now a *lot* places from whence daemons may get started...
20:25.11srgyeah, exactly my problem
20:25.11dondelelcarosrg: what VPS is this? You might have to change the kernel which is booted in your provider's configuration
20:25.26dondelelcarosrg: alternatively, you can reinstall the wheezy kernel package and move on with life.
20:25.27srgdondelelcaro: This is on DigitalOcean. They don't have an option for Jessie :-\
20:25.32srghm ok
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20:26.10dondelelcarosrg: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-update-a-digitalocean-server-s-kernel-using-the-control-panel
20:27.13Walexsrg: "fortunately" soon SystemD will replace Debian and other complicated "legacy" designs :-)
20:27.33srgThank you dondelelcaro
20:27.45srgand yah, Walex, I saw a article written on a blog about all this stuff
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20:31.11JekkiyazHey guys, do you have any suggestions for a Linux distro that's CD-sized, has Linux kernel >3.14, and (networking) works OOTB?
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20:40.57bllerMorning people
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21:01.57Eduard_MunteanuIs there a way to debootstrap a chroot without an implied dependency on essentials?
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21:02.47paradigmEduard_Munteanu: I've been working on a tool to do exactly that
21:03.19paradigmit's in a very rough shape at the moment, but depending on your needs you can probably use the same strategy I'm pursuing
21:03.25Eduard_Munteanuparadigm, nice, is it public somewhere?
21:03.55Eduard_MunteanuI wish apt would just let you pick a different root.
21:04.21paradigmhttps://github.com/bedrocklinux/bedrocklinux-userland/blob/brg/bedrock/sbin/brg and https://github.com/bedrocklinux/bedrocklinux-userland/blob/brg/bedrock/share/brg/debian
21:04.35Eduard_MunteanuThanks.
21:04.37paradigmmore of a proof of concept at the moment than anything polished
21:04.44t0t4ln00bpros/cons of schroot?
21:04.45paradigmif you need any help don't hesitate to ping me
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21:05.28paradigmt0t4ln00b: schroot automates a lot of stuff for you, including handling permissions to let non-root users use the chroot.  Downside is it's a relatively large/complicated.
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21:08.02t0t4ln00bparadigm do you mind if I pm you? got a couple more questions
21:08.25Eduard_MunteanuYou can ask as much as you like in the channel.
21:08.31paradigmI've not used schroot in years, I'm nto sure how in depth I can go.  Probably better to ask in here in case someone else knows something I don't.  Seems relatively quiet in here anyways.
21:09.02sine-debhi guys. when installing net install onto an old laptop it says i dont have the gfx to run gnome 3. i would like LXDE is it simple to change over ?
21:09.23t0t4ln00binsserv: warning: script 'irda-setup' missing LSB tags and overrides
21:09.31Eduard_Munteanusine-deb, yes
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21:09.45t0t4ln00bthere is a loop between service minidlna and irda-setup if stopped
21:09.50t0t4ln00bI'm lost
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21:10.07miskatonicis the default desktop for Jessie already decided on?
21:10.38paradigmEduard_Munteanu: re-reading your earlier question I may have misunderstood.  The tool I linked debootstraps without the host system having debian essentials (e.g. no dpkg).  If you meant that the chroot'd system it kicks out doesn't have essentials, then what I linked isn't what you need.
21:10.57Eduard_MunteanuOh.
21:11.46Eduard_Munteanuparadigm, yeah, I want to debootstrap something more minimal
21:11.53paradigmhmmm
21:12.33paradigmEduard_Munteanu: did you give using --exclude a try?
21:12.47paradigmthe man page makes it sound like it wont' fight you on removing essentials
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21:12.56Eduard_Munteanuparadigm, might work, but I was wondering if I can avoid specifying just about everything in there.
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21:13.20paradigmYou might be able to just grab the .debs and extract them
21:13.27miskatonicgnome3 is just bloat
21:13.55Eduard_Munteanuparadigm, yeah, but then I have to do dep resolution and implement signature checking myself.
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21:14.27Eduard_MunteanuMaybe I can hack debootstrap.
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21:34.19srgI have to choose something that isn't debian (my preferred distro), unfortunately. Without getting into the details, does anyone here recommend/use CentOS and/or Fedora? I'm not familiar with either one.
21:34.31srgIs one of them more similar to debian?
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21:37.40sine-debif i put in a generic usb wifi dongle will i have to make debian detect it, should it show up in lspci.
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21:38.08teraflopssrg: I think the main difference at all is in the package manager no matter what linux distro you choose
21:38.29srgah, makes sense. I've only used apt-get on debian and debian-based systems
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21:38.41mtnsine-deb: it would show up in lsusb, not lspci
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21:40.04teraflopssrg: for a sever or a workstation?
21:40.23srgFor a server
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21:43.17srgok, thanks for the recommendation teraflops, I'll go with that!
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21:46.32sine_is anyone around to help a noob
21:46.42sine_I have a generic unbranded wifi usb dongle
21:47.04sine_I have done an 'lspci' as root but it just shows the 5 usb ports and nothing is named
21:47.19Eduard_Munteanuparadigm, I managed to patch debootstrap, I'll submit it upstream
21:47.28paradigmNice!
21:47.31Brigosine_, try lsusb
21:47.56sine_Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:2070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2070 Wireless Adapter
21:48.03sine_!
21:48.13sine_time for google
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21:49.06teraflopssine_: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb#Supported_Devices
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21:50.02sine_whats the command to find out what codename im running...
21:50.15matteocihello , i got a problem , i need to have the mounts via debvice name instead of label or uuid , anyone can explain me how can i do ? i've tryed to google and read mans but nothing to do
21:52.24mtnmatteoci: you mean like: /dev/sdb?
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21:54.07Brigosine_, cat /etc/debian_version could help :)
21:54.30matteocimtn , yes
21:54.52matteocimtn, i tryed to change in fstab but didn't work
21:55.13mtnmatteoci: what is the fstab line? just the one line.
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21:56.09matteocimtn, UUID=XXXXXX-d5ff-47d0-a8ef-fa92ce596a8e /               ext4
21:56.25matteocii've changed to /dev/vda1 / ext4
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21:56.44matteocioptions are errors=remount-ro,usrjquota=quota.user,grpjquota=quota.group,jqfmt=vfsv0
21:56.49mtnmatteoci: what is a vda? usually a drive is sdx
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21:57.12matteocimtn , my deb is installed on qemu system with virtio disks
21:57.25mtnmatteoci: ok, I know nothing about that
21:57.46mtnmatteoci: do you know the fdisk command? that will show you your partitions
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22:00.39matteocimtn, yes i know and i know the device names
22:01.00matteocith problem is simply that i cannot view the mounts related to device
22:02.14trampelmatteoci: perhaps nothing (named vda*) is mounted?  what does the fdisk command that mtn recommended show?
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22:04.01matteoci<PROTECTED>
22:04.01matteoci/dev/vda1        63203328    67106815     1951744   82  Linux swap / Solaris
22:04.01matteoci/dev/vda2   *        2048    63203327    31600640   83  Linux
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22:05.05trampeland what does "df /dev/vda2" show?
22:05.30bllerdisk free
22:05.45bller:))
22:06.19trampel(how the hell does one end up with "vd..." anything?)
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22:08.30matteocithe system is on Virtio
22:08.38matteociso discks are VdX
22:09.46mtnmatteoci: did you try mounting vda2 as /? vda1 appears to be your swap
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22:12.23matteocimtn , yes i've done anything possibile on the standard way, this is the reason i've came here to ask ;)
22:12.59mtnmatteoci: ok, you said you used vda1 as your root, which is why I asked ;)
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22:17.43matteocimnt , no i've done a mistake ont he numeric order , vda2 anyway it's not a problem i try to search support other way
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22:24.47pardelkatI'm considering switching from Windows to Debian. I already only play games that are also available on Linux, and I really only browse the web other than play games. What features am I going to be not having in Debian that I would in Windows?
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22:25.27syco_viruses ;p
22:25.29trampela near lack of security?
22:27.10pardelkatAlso if I want to install i3 what iso would I download? netinst?
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22:29.55pardelkatCOULD I install the xfce iso so I have something to fall back on if i3 doesn't work?
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22:30.44Brigopardelkat, install from de netinstall, then you will get a running system. From there you can install whatever you want
22:30.48mtnpardelkat: using the netinstall, you can go to Advanced and pick any of the main desktops. after install you can add others if you wish
22:30.55Brigopardelkat, read first he install manual
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22:31.37snarf_having an authentication issue using sendEmail with gmail smtp, anyone know a fix , none of the answers ive found work
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22:35.17sine_why can i not apt-get install gnupg
22:35.26pardelkatBrigo: Oh? I always thought the netinstall was like installing arch where you have a COMPLETELY blank slate and you have to do everything
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22:37.07catsupis there any way to get parted to show me the partition table of a disk that has failed (can't read from the hardware)?
22:37.16trampel"completely blank slates" differ in their completeness from distribution to distribution
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22:50.19eric23can someone tell me what's wrong with my sources.list http://pastebin.com/r20E7RZZ
22:51.22un214I think it's supposed to be wheezy-updates not wheezy/updates
22:53.00trampeli've got "jessie/updates" ...[shrug] ?
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22:54.11cafuegomine's wheezy/updates
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22:57.00trampeleric23: for what it's worth (not much) your sources.list looks good to me.  i'm not familiar with the "i386" designation, but that doesn't much
22:57.08pardelkatIf I install the GRUB boot loader and then decide I don't like debian, could I still install windows?
22:57.23pardelkat(doubting I won't like debian, but still)
22:57.53syco_pardelkat, yes
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22:58.43un214anybody got any further workarounds for pulseaudio not multiarch-able?
22:58.56un214breaks 32 bit wine
22:59.33nkuttlerun214: seems to work fine with 32bit steam for me.. that is, except for the usual breakage
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23:00.24nkuttlerpardelkat: well, grub will be on the mbr, so windows won't boot any more without restoring the mbr, or booting from grub
23:00.37nkuttlerpardelkat: so, you only have to reinstall the mbr, not windows
23:00.50nkuttlerassuming you don't delete it to make room for debian
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23:01.02un214nkuttler: did you specify your sound card in winecfg?
23:01.13nkuttlerun214: not going through wine
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23:01.38SynrGyeric23: i386 is not valid.
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23:02.46eric23my install broke halfway through and I had to do my sources.list
23:02.59eric23Okay I'll remove that
23:03.02SynrGyeric23: just drop 'i386' from lines 1 and 5
23:05.32SynrGyodd that you have a different address for your deb-src line at line 6 than the preceding deb line 5
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23:05.53SynrGynothing wrong with it, if that's a valid mirror too. just wondered why
23:07.53SynrGyun214, trampel, cafuego: seems you maybe confused between wheezy/updates (security) vs wheezy-updates (what used to be called 'volatile')
23:07.58SynrGy!stable-updates
23:07.59dpkgwheezy-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>.  All packages from wheezy-updates will be included in point releases.  http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates .  Not to be confused with <wheezy/updates> which is for <security> updates.
23:08.16cafuegoSynrGy: I'm not at all confused
23:08.19SynrGythere's nothing wrong with the wheezy-updates line
23:08.49SynrGyok, fine. you were all comparing notes, though. and none of you noted the different purpose of those lines.
23:09.59SynrGyso if not confused, at least you didn't shed any additional light on the topic :p
23:10.29trampellawrdsy i'm always a bit confused
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23:14.31SynrGyoh, and also:
23:14.34SynrGy!sources.list
23:14.35dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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23:21.50ovidiu-florinhello world
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23:22.15ovidiu-florinHow can I make the transmission-daemon run as a different user?
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23:25.40petemcovidiu-florin: check /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon
23:26.15petemcovidiu-florin: it may be dont in /etc/defaults/ now, i run transmission on a nas device with older debian
23:26.19ovidiu-florinthe USER variable?
23:26.23petemcs/dont/done/
23:26.24trampelovidiu-florin:  Change the userid from debian-transmission to the desired user with something like "setuid debian-transmission" in the config file  /etc/init/transmission-daemon.conf (but i likely remain "confused")
23:26.42petemcor that
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23:27.58ovidiu-florinit says debian-transmission, but when I ps aux | grep -i transmission it reports that it runs as user 112
23:28.48ovidiu-florinso, does it really run as debian-transmission?
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23:30.32ovidiu-florinthere is no /etc/init/transmission-daemon.conf file
23:31.49petemcfor me its /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json
23:31.53Brigoovidiu-florin, check the transmission-daemon package if you are running jessi at least.
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23:34.35ovidiu-florinthere is no /etc/init/transmission-daemon.conf file
23:34.40ovidiu-florinsorry
23:34.42ovidiu-florinBrigo: https://paste.kde.org/pw75avh9v
23:35.11Brigoovidiu-florin, is there a /etc/transmission-daemon/README.json ?
23:35.42ovidiu-florinBrigo: yes
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23:36.01Brigothen read it, it will be helpful for sure.
23:36.23ovidiu-florinBrigo: that's it: https://paste.kde.org/pby4cdfvm
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23:37.35Brigoovidiu-florin, do you understand that?
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23:38.39ovidiu-florinBrigo: that reffers to the settings.json file, I don't have anything to do with that
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23:39.51bllercool to have fellow Romanians in here :)
23:40.00bllerhi Ovidiu
23:40.13ovidiu-florinhello
23:41.01Brigoovidiu-florin, you want to change the user running trasmission
23:41.09ovidiu-florinI've solved my problem, no need to change the user anymore
23:41.20ovidiu-florinbut thank you for your help
23:41.38ovidiu-florinI've added the debian-transmission user to my media group
23:41.44ovidiu-florinso it can write to my media folder
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23:42.27ovidiu-florinwhat led me off was that ps showed the uid instead of the user name
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23:42.47ovidiu-florinbut eventually I checked and 112 is from debian-transmission
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23:44.31Brigoovidiu-florin, ps aux should show you the user in the first column
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23:44.40ovidiu-florinI know
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23:47.02ovidiu-florinbller: hello
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