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| 00:29.39 | cliffer | somebody can give me a hint why the third url does not work: http://pastebin.com/63nWLjm0 |
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| 00:53.36 | themill | cliffer: the % encoding of the ö looks wrong |
| 00:54.12 | cliffer | themill: yeah, i just noticed the difference between 1/2 and 3 |
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| 00:54.16 | cliffer | thx |
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| 00:54.35 | themill | np |
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| 00:57.57 | attila_lendvai | hi! is it supposed to work to boot the live cd image dd'd to a pendrive in EFI mode? (I want to convert my normal install into an EFI install and looking for a way to boot a rescue disk in EFI mode for that) |
| 00:58.03 | BenLue | hi which package is using the command $pip3 ? |
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| 01:01.44 | attila_lendvai | decides that maybe he'll stick to the legacy booting method after finding this blog with way too recent entries: http://blog.einval.com/debian/CDs |
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| 01:17.10 | smj | what can I do if the 64-bit version of a program is installed by 32-bit installer? |
| 01:17.25 | smj | oh, wrong channel |
| 01:17.30 | x86iac | BenLue: how about a hint where you got it from? |
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| 01:30.51 | snwr34p3r | ok i need help setting up 4 screens, my hdmi screen won't display, if i set mirrored mode all 4 screens work, xrandr sees all 4 screens i can change setting thru xrandr and see like resolution changes etc, i have 2 seperat gpus, i can get 3 screens working no problem with vga, dvi, vga the hdmi seems to crash the display manager |
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| 01:36.33 | somiaj | snwr34p3r: what resolution are you trying to use, not sure if hdmi has limited resolutions that certain TV's will accept |
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| 01:37.01 | snwr34p3r | 1920x1080 |
| 01:37.07 | snwr34p3r | and 1280x1024 |
| 01:37.41 | snwr34p3r | all 4 work in mirror mode |
| 01:38.10 | snwr34p3r | try to do extended and 2vga and the dvi will work from 2 seperate gpus but the hdmi will crash or not load up |
| 01:38.50 | snwr34p3r | xrandr and dispear -l both show all 4 connected |
| 01:39.12 | OSVG | What kind of video card? |
| 01:39.30 | snwr34p3r | both atis |
| 01:39.48 | OSVG | propietary drivers? |
| 01:40.05 | snwr34p3r | nope older cards no prop driver |
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| 01:45.43 | knosys | hello guys, i wonder, where to find de .deb packages downloaded? |
| 01:45.53 | knosys | downloaded via apt-get , sorry |
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| 01:47.48 | dondelelcaro | knosys: usually in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:48.04 | knosys | thanks you |
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| 01:57.43 | snwr34p3r | man o man |
| 01:58.02 | snwr34p3r | hdmi u can suck my ba!!$ |
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| 02:29.33 | EdePopede | hi! what is the situation with gtk in wheezy? 2 or 3? there's tons of both but python-gtk is 2. and iirc pygtk is dead anyway, i don't remember if wheezy has its successor? |
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| 02:31.22 | abrotman | jessie |
| 02:31.58 | EdePopede | no. did i miss the freeze? |
| 02:32.07 | dvs | it's still on |
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| 02:35.27 | EdePopede | so where is the channel for debian stable then? |
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| 02:37.32 | FaTony | what bash script would do "in all files, find signle digit in name and prepend with leading zero" |
| 02:39.02 | FaTony | basically I have 1.bin 2.bin 3.bin ... 10.bin and want 01.bin 02.bin 03.bin ... 10.bin |
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| 02:40.15 | FaTony | oh forgot to mention, there's some text before the number |
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| 02:45.58 | abrotman | FaTony: ask #bash |
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| 02:50.48 | EdePopede | ok then. have fun with jessie, c u after i've found the time to install it when it will be released some day. merry x-mas and a happy new year then. bye |
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| 02:57.14 | skilz | Hi, is Debian shipping with Wayland now as an X11/Xorg replacement? Or not quite yet? |
| 03:04.35 | abrotman | skilz: it's there, but not the default |
| 03:04.58 | skilz | How does one go about installing it using the minimal net installation? |
| 03:05.22 | skilz | Also, will things like Fluxbox work with it? |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | you'll have to try it and see |
| 03:06.22 | x86iac | fluxbox is GREATTTTTTT with it |
| 03:06.35 | tharkun | skilz: I recently did a fesh install and wayland was an option. IIRC there is a Gnome wayland option to start the wm. |
| 03:06.38 | x86iac | and it gives you startx to boot |
| 03:07.28 | skilz | Okay, much improvement over X11/Xorg? |
| 03:07.41 | x86iac | fluxbox runs on x |
| 03:08.46 | tharkun | runs notion as a personal preference. |
| 03:09.14 | tharkun | pokes at abrotman also as a personal preference |
| 03:09.30 | x86iac | i don't know if fluxbox will run on wayland - give it a try ? is wayland EWMH/NetWM compatible |
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| 03:15.21 | abrotman | tharkun: que? |
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| 03:17.10 | themill | FaTony: you could do that in a single command with prename |
| 03:17.41 | FaTony | not needed already |
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| 03:18.54 | snwr34p3r | anyone running mutli monitors ? having issues getting my 4 screens working |
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| 03:21.03 | dvs | snwr34p3r: I occasionally plug a monitor into my laptop but that's only two monitors. |
| 03:21.48 | snwr34p3r | yea mine is a hdmi not going into extended mode but work in mirror mode |
| 03:22.10 | snwr34p3r | i have 3 screens out of 5 working great |
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| 03:25.34 | GeekDude | What does debian use to manage sound? I've got a clean debian install with fluxbox on it, and am having a hard time adjusting the volume. If I hit the volume buttons on my keyboard, they do nothing. If I hit the mute button on my keyboard, the speakers go dead until I switch to external audio source and back |
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| 03:30.46 | abrotman | pulse is one option |
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| 03:34.26 | bramgg | I need to upgrade glibc to install Haskell on Wheezy, should I do it through Jessie like this article recommends, or is there a safer way? http://tobold.org/entry/2014-12-07 |
| 03:35.09 | GeekDude | abrotman: Are you saying that there isn't one by default? |
| 03:35.16 | dvs | bramgg: It's way easier to install Jessie |
| 03:35.20 | abrotman | GeekDude: I'm sure you have alsa installed and running |
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| 03:36.28 | GeekDude | -bash: alsamixer: command not found |
| 03:37.17 | abrotman | you might have to install helper apps |
| 03:38.33 | GeekDude | alsa-utils? |
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| 03:45.26 | GeekDude | Ah, seems to have helped a bit |
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| 03:56.22 | MarconM | how i can mount on startup a shared folder linux to linux |
| 03:56.31 | MarconM | i used thist command mount -t cifs //10.1.1.2/Archives /mnt/archives -o rw |
| 03:56.43 | MarconM | its works ,,, but i want to mount automatic |
| 03:57.25 | dvs | MarconM: That's what /etc/fstab is for. |
| 03:57.27 | srg | you have to put a line in /etc/fstab |
| 03:57.37 | srg | `man fstab` |
| 03:57.51 | dvs | fstabs srg |
| 03:57.53 | MarconM | dvs| i tryied didnt work |
| 03:58.20 | abrotman | tried what? |
| 03:58.28 | MarconM | on fstab |
| 03:58.29 | dvs | MarconM: Then you did something wrong |
| 03:58.33 | MarconM | yes |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | MarconM: tried what? be less vague .. what did you try? |
| 03:58.52 | MarconM | put the line on fstab |
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| 03:58.57 | dvs | MarconM: What line did you use? |
| 03:59.05 | MarconM | the same O.O |
| 03:59.07 | MarconM | hide |
| 03:59.19 | abrotman | marman fstab .. read what it says |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | bah |
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| 04:07.31 | diranged | Hey⦠we have run into an issue where we "image" certain groups of servers with 99% of the software installed on them. When they boot up, they get their last bit of software (sometimes a debian package) on-bootup. When these hosts come up, they have a fresh blank /mnt volume. |
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| 04:08.10 | diranged | We ran into a problem today trying to do this with a Docker host. Docker is configured with '-g /mnt/containers' ⦠and when we simply install Docker and make this change, it works great. However, when we boot the host back up with /mnt/containers being empty, we cannot pull down or start any images. |
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| 04:08.38 | diranged | Is there some way or something we need to do to pre-populate this directory? Is there some state being maintained in some other area on the filesystem thats expecting certain bits of data to already be in /mnt/containers? |
| 04:09.28 | MarconM | ok didnt work |
| 04:09.28 | MarconM | '-' |
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| 05:18.00 | hyde | So Jessie was frozen 2014-11-05. Where can I find information about progress towards it becoming official stable? |
| 05:19.14 | shay_shay | hello |
| 05:19.30 | shay_shay | i am having problems with vinagre connecting to an osx client |
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| 05:19.56 | polyphagia | hyde: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 05:20.25 | hyde | ty |
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| 05:22.13 | hikilaka | vcya |
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| 05:22.57 | hikilaka | lol polyphagia |
| 05:23.06 | hikilaka | how dramatic was that |
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| 06:06.13 | mms_ | I have netbook and a usb hp mini drive in it. I did cp netinst.iso to that usb and then tried booting but it does not seem to boot using it. |
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| 06:08.32 | dondelelcaro | mms_: you can't just cp it; you'll have to write it directly to that usb. |
| 06:08.56 | themill | mms_: precisely what cp command did you use? |
| 06:08.57 | mms_ | dondelelcaro: correct seems I did not use /dev/sd* as cp dest. |
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| 06:09.20 | mms_ | themill: I used cp netinst.sio /media/65430-8990 |
| 06:09.25 | mms_ | that some id for that device |
| 06:09.37 | mms_ | I need to figure out whats the sd* for it and try that instead |
| 06:09.40 | themill | yeah, so you need to copy it to the device not onto the filesystem that is on the device. |
| 06:09.42 | themill | yep |
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| 06:10.26 | zamba | i'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and i see no packages that need upgrading when doing either aptitude|apt-get safe-upgrade/upgrade/full-upgrade/dist-upgrade (can someone please explain to me the difference and when to use the different ones), but if i start the interactive 'aptitude' and press g, then suddenly there's lots of packages that is pending upgrade |
| 06:10.44 | zamba | why? |
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| 06:13.15 | MTecknology | jessie is 8, right? It's not a perpetual tag for testing like sid is for unstable? |
| 06:15.03 | themill | correct |
| 06:15.46 | MTecknology | thanks :) |
| 06:16.08 | themill | zamba: are they actually upgrades that it's offering or are these just pending changes that it is catching up on? |
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| 06:22.27 | mms_ | its on /dev/sdb1 and type vfat so I can now try cp to it using /dev/sdb1 ? |
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| 06:22.54 | SirLagz | mms_: no, /dev/sdb |
| 06:23.07 | mms_ | SirLagz: ok |
| 06:23.12 | SirLagz | mms_: it'd probably be faster and easier just to buy another USB stick to do what you're trying to do |
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| 06:23.41 | mms_ | SirLagz: its faster to do it with what I have instead of going out to buy |
| 06:23.58 | themill | mms_: note that you're destroying everything that is on the usb stick when you do that. |
| 06:23.59 | SirLagz | mms_: ok then. good luck |
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| 06:24.39 | SirLagz | themill: I see him coming back soon to say "I can't see the USB drive I want to install Debian onto" |
| 06:27.18 | themill | given previous conversations about trying to install to a usb stick, quite possibly |
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| 06:32.29 | mms_ | SirLagz: I am able to boot using it now but on getting the Debina install boot scrren with options like install, graphic install its hangs on selection |
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| 06:32.55 | mms_ | does not look like its using the iso and moving ahead....though showed the installer boot menu |
| 06:33.19 | SirLagz | mms_: so you have the installation screen then ? |
| 06:33.25 | mms_ | SirLagz: yes |
| 06:33.45 | mms_ | press enter to boot or tab to edit a menu entry |
| 06:34.08 | SirLagz | mms_: ok, so does hitting enter work ? |
| 06:34.08 | mms_ | not sure what is it doing when I press enter choosing graphic install or install |
| 06:34.32 | mms_ | SirLagz: no it hangs...arrow keys up down worked but on enter its stuck |
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| 06:34.52 | mms_ | shows some .....or colors at top of screen |
| 06:35.05 | SirLagz | mms_: try using the other install rather than the graphic installt hen |
| 06:35.30 | mms_ | SirLagz: i tried both....for graphic is shows some colors and for install it shows ... |
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| 06:35.40 | mms_ | black dots |
| 06:35.51 | mms_ | not sure what else I can try |
| 06:36.04 | SirLagz | mms_: you know what I would try...a different USB stick. |
| 06:36.24 | bramgg | Trying to follow these instructions (https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing) but apt is "unable to locate pckage pepperflashplugin-nonfree". My apt sources file is this: http://termbin.com/i6qj |
| 06:36.26 | SirLagz | mms_: I've had some USB sticks not boot the debian install iso for some odd reason |
| 06:36.26 | mms_ | SirLagz: this is hp min usb which came with netbook |
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| 06:37.04 | mms_ | strange even it will not boot iso |
| 06:37.13 | bramgg | Anyone know what the problem is? |
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| 06:38.25 | mms_ | SirLagz: this usb is well seen by bios and os both |
| 06:38.34 | SirLagz | bramgg: you've run apt-get update ? |
| 06:38.39 | bramgg | SirLagz: yes |
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| 06:39.47 | mms_ | strange stuff |
| 06:40.25 | SirLagz | mms_: can't help much more then... |
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| 06:47.33 | mms_ | SirLagz: expert install moves on |
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| 06:51.06 | mms_ | SirLagz: I am stuck now at wifi wlan0....the network is portal based |
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| 06:52.40 | mms_ | how do I install now using network needing portal password |
| 06:52.52 | bramgg | Are my sources all okay? Did anyone get a chance to look at them? |
| 06:53.31 | bazhang | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:53.33 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 1.8.1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1 |
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| 06:54.41 | bramgg | "apt-cache -t wheezy-backports search pepperflashplugin-nonfree" returns nothing |
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| 06:56.47 | mms_ | SirLagz: I am going ahead without network configuration for now and installing |
| 06:58.06 | mms_ | seems it failed at partition step |
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| 06:58.24 | bramgg | I really want to play 8 Ball Pool... :'( |
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| 06:59.30 | themill | bramgg: it's in contrib -- have you got contrib in your sources.list for wheezy-backports? |
| 06:59.38 | mms_ | seems it has problem with creating swap |
| 06:59.55 | themill | bramgg: also, mixing jessie and wheezy is a really bad idea. |
| 07:00.28 | bramgg | themill: it was necessary to install the latest version of Haskell |
| 07:00.37 | bramgg | had to update glibc |
| 07:00.42 | SirLagz | mms_: are you creating the partition on the USB stick ? |
| 07:00.57 | themill | bramgg: You'd be better of upgrading to jessie then. Mixing jessie and wheezy is going to end in tears. |
| 07:01.03 | mms_ | SirLagz: the menu for partition i choose entire in 1 disk |
| 07:01.11 | SirLagz | which disk did you choose ? |
| 07:01.26 | mms_ | SirLagz: I choose new usb I inserted |
| 07:01.28 | themill | bramgg: (and from our point of view is completely unsupportable -- when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces and we get to laugh) |
| 07:01.33 | mms_ | SirLagz: but it shows primary and logical swap |
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| 07:01.55 | mms_ | and seems it has issue with swap |
| 07:02.01 | bramgg | themill: It's not really mixed though, I updated glibc and won't ever use it again.. ? |
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| 07:03.20 | bramgg | themill: ah shoot looks like I don't have contrib on backports |
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| 07:05.23 | mms_ | what to do about swap now ? |
| 07:05.42 | mms_ | on usb it tries to use priamry and logical (swap) |
| 07:06.38 | mms_ | can I just delete this swap partition ? |
| 07:06.43 | mms_ | and create it later then ? |
| 07:07.23 | bramgg | Would upgrading wheezy to jessie be a simple process, or will I be dealing with broken packages galore? |
| 07:07.37 | bramgg | (got pepperflash installed btw, so thanks) |
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| 07:09.21 | themill | bramgg: it's a relatively simple process. The release notes explain how to do it. /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
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| 07:09.31 | mms_ | I am trying without swap now |
| 07:09.36 | mms_ | it did warn it could be problem |
| 07:09.41 | bramgg | That's a really cool bot.. thanks |
| 07:09.47 | mms_ | but no option other than that to move on |
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| 07:11.23 | mms_ | failed to install base system |
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| 07:13.50 | mms_ | basically it was unable to install to usb |
| 07:14.07 | mms_ | I am doing this using my netbook |
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| 07:21.12 | du5tball | hello there. i need some help with anacron. i am used to fcron from another system where i can simply specify '!bootrun(true)' and it will run all missed jobs. is something like this possible with cron+anacron possible too? |
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| 07:22.07 | du5tball | basically, i want to run a job every day from sun to thu at 1 pm, but when the machine is down, have the job run as soon as the machine comes back up |
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| 07:36.28 | valdyn | du5tball: anacron does that |
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| 07:37.24 | du5tball | simply add the job in anacron and it is run when the time comes? |
| 07:37.47 | valdyn | du5tball: anacron works on top of cron, so you add it to cron |
| 07:38.05 | du5tball | ahh so basically anacron is simply the bootrunfeature from fcron |
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| 07:38.22 | valdyn | du5tball: no |
| 07:38.43 | mms_ | how do I format usb to vfat ? |
| 07:38.49 | mms_ | I do not see mkfs.vfat |
| 07:38.59 | valdyn | du5tball: look at your /etc/crontab, see anacron in there? |
| 07:39.15 | du5tball | mms_: install dosfstools |
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| 07:39.38 | du5tball | ah, yes |
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| 07:42.59 | mms_ | ok |
| 07:43.22 | du5tball | valdyn: so i add anacron at for example hourly intervals? |
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| 07:43.54 | SirLagz | mms_: are you reformatting your USB stick to wipe the debian bootloader off ? |
| 07:44.19 | valdyn | du5tball: hourly should be covered by regular cron , unless you leave your computer never on for few hours |
| 07:44.54 | mms_ | SirLagz: yes I did |
| 07:45.05 | valdyn | du5tball: see the default config, anacron is not used for hourly jobs |
| 07:45.12 | SirLagz | mms_: so the install didn't work ? |
| 07:45.22 | mms_ | SirLagz: that stuff does not quite work well...especially may be I am on netbook hp mini 1030 nr |
| 07:45.31 | mms_ | SirLagz: correct it did not go well |
| 07:45.48 | valdyn | du5tball: of course you are free to edit /etc/anacrontab and adjust /etc/crontab to cover that too |
| 07:45.52 | SirLagz | mms_: righto |
| 07:45.54 | SirLagz | mms_: just checking |
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| 07:46.21 | mms_ | ya I rollback my desire to create usb debian using at least my netbook |
| 07:46.36 | mms_ | bye guys |
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| 07:46.42 | du5tball | valdyn: the job is supposed to run daily. i am just not exactly sure how anacron works |
| 07:49.16 | talin | trying to run dist-upgrade from debian 6, but i can't because some packages break? this is what i get https://dpaste.de/g27R |
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| 08:27.14 | lolek | hi guys |
| 08:27.34 | lolek | if it's about debian, do you have anyone who work for the project from Poland? |
| 08:28.25 | lolek | the thing is, there's upcoming Opensource conference in Poland and it would be nice to see someone from Debian to show up and say something:) |
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| 08:30.24 | evilman_work | lolek: better is send the message to the debian mail list. |
| 08:31.02 | lolek | evilman_work: to which one? |
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| 08:32.44 | lolek | evilman_work: debian-devel@lists.debian.org would be fine? |
| 08:32.47 | babilen | lolek: https://www.debian.org/international/Polish/ |
| 08:33.45 | babilen | lolek: You can also sent an announcement to https://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/ |
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| 08:34.02 | du5tball | anacron again. i've created "30 15 * * 0-4 <script>" within my "crontab -e". now, the anacron service is started. is that all i need to do? |
| 08:34.21 | lolek | babilen, evilman_work: thank you :) |
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| 08:42.25 | talin | think it's time for a reboot |
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| 09:34.04 | Agemaniac | hello! :) |
| 09:35.31 | Agemaniac | Im running debian jessie atm. Now, i would like to try ubuntu (not form live cd though). Is it possible to install ubuntu on debian? |
| 09:36.42 | Agemaniac | If not... is it possible to install something like an ubuntu session on debian? Currently im running XFCE |
| 09:37.23 | rioth | install ubuntu on another partition |
| 09:37.40 | rioth | or use live CD only for trying it |
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| 09:44.19 | zamba | how do i remove all x? |
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| 09:44.58 | themill | !remove x |
| 09:44.59 | dpkg | well, remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
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| 09:46.46 | zamba | perfect |
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| 09:47.08 | rioth | where can i find a good guide to LINUX? |
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| 10:16.27 | umbra_purus | hey. is debian a good SO for testing security, penetration= |
| 10:16.29 | umbra_purus | ? |
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| 10:16.45 | hassoon_flies | d'oh i'm familiar with debian, but this laptop i just bought yesterday came wit hubuntu |
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| 10:16.48 | hassoon_flies | *with ubuntu |
| 10:16.56 | hassoon_flies | isn't ubuntu debian sid whatsoever ? |
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| 10:17.20 | umbra_purus | hey. is debian a good SO for testing security, penetration? |
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| 10:20.25 | Walex2 | umbra_purus: probably, look at Kali for a derivative |
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| 10:59.34 | popallamsimbi | hi, in debian wheezy, i use sshfs and it works with pub_key auth, then i installed autofs (and configured it wiki.debian.org/AutoFs) but it is not mounting anything. anyone has a hint what the problem could be or at least where are the logs for sshfs or autofs? thank you |
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| 11:04.11 | Walex2 | popallamsimbi: if 'autofs' is not mounting anything, seems like the problem is 'autofs'. |
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| 11:07.46 | popallamsimbi | yeah thats what i think too, but i dont know where to look for errors or make autofs verbose. or is this the wrong chan for that question |
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| 11:10.46 | Eleth | Just installed Jessie on a server that alweays failed the Wheezy installer. Very very happy. Such a fast boot too :D |
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| 11:26.59 | spm_draget | What is the current kernel version from backports for debian wheezy? |
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| 11:28.44 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 11:28.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 11:29.08 | somiaj | spm_draget: debian is sticking with 3.16 for a while since that is what jessie is going to be released with and probably the last you'll see in wheezy-backports |
| 11:29.27 | Walex2 | popallamsimbi: 'man automount' options '-d' '-f' and/or look at the 'daemon.log' file or equivalent |
| 11:29.58 | spm_draget | Sounds fair. Dies anyone know if someone backported nftables - which should be available in 3.16? |
| 11:30.24 | somiaj | ,v nftables |
| 11:30.29 | judd | Package: nftables on i386 -- sid: 0.4-2 |
| 11:30.35 | aborrero | spm_draget: I will backport nftables as soon as it enters testing |
| 11:31.05 | somiaj | spm_draget: doesn't even look like it made it to testing, and since jessie is frozen it won't be backported to wheezy. It may be backported to jessie some time after the release though. |
| 11:31.09 | spm_draget | Ah, cool :) I started playing with ntf on my laptop⦠and started loving it c.c |
| 11:31.19 | somiaj | ,check-backport nftables |
| 11:31.22 | judd | Backporting package nftables in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.20141022), libnftnl-dev (>= 1.0.3). |
| 11:31.37 | spm_draget | Aww =( |
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| 11:31.53 | aborrero | spm_draget: glad to hear that :-) |
| 11:31.57 | somiaj | well won't be an easy backport to wheezy it seems, but not sure how hard it will be to deal with those build depends. |
| 11:32.01 | aborrero | is wearing a netfilter developer hat |
| 11:32.16 | popallamsimbi | thanks |
| 11:32.20 | aborrero | somiaj: no problem, I will backport all the needed sutff |
| 11:32.40 | somiaj | aborrero: all the way to wheezy, I thought policy was to not backport that far. |
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| 11:32.55 | somiaj | i.e. wheezy-backports will only come from jessie |
| 11:33.12 | aborrero | somiaj: I mean, nftables will not migrate to testing until jessie is released |
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| 11:33.21 | aborrero | so the backport will be for jessie-backports |
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| 11:33.43 | Myrl | Hi guys. |
| 11:33.48 | somiaj | aborrero: yea that is what I was saying, I didn't think it would be backported to wheezy and it might already make the build depends in jessie, just didn't make it there before the freeze. |
| 11:34.37 | Myrl | I realized that debian doesn't use systemd, so how do I kill getty? |
| 11:34.51 | Myrl | Specifically getty0/1 (whatever the first one is.) |
| 11:35.18 | Myrl | Assuming that debian uses getty, that is. |
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| 11:35.44 | somiaj | Myrl: why are you wanting to kill getty? getty is launched via /etc/inittab in sysvinit |
| 11:36.17 | Myrl | somiaj: Well, I tried to run a 256-color perl script, and I guess it changed the font thing. |
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| 11:36.57 | somiaj | Myrl: did it switch to the alternative font, so when you type you see strange characters? |
| 11:37.08 | Myrl | somiaj: Yeah. |
| 11:37.29 | somiaj | Myrl: I'm trying to rember how to do that. There is an ctrl sequence that changes that for the current terminal. |
| 11:37.38 | Myrl | Well, I think it starts with C-] |
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| 11:37.52 | somiaj | Myrl: type cat, then once cat runs type ctrl-O, then ctrl-D |
| 11:38.27 | somiaj | Myrl: can't say I'm rember what the exact character is (ctrl-O is what I'm rembering but it could be wrong) but if you can find the correct ctrl sequence you can use cat to force the tty to swtich back to the default font |
| 11:38.41 | Myrl | I decided to check for the escape codes on google. |
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| 11:40.52 | somiaj | Myrl: I'm not finding what I'm looking for (can't rember what that secondary characterset is called), I just rember that you could force it to change with a correct ctrl key and can basically do it blind in cat |
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| 11:42.35 | Brigo | somiaj, and typing reset? |
| 11:42.41 | Myrl | oh my god how did I fuck this up? lol |
| 11:43.05 | Myrl | I tries C-[ ( A but not working |
| 11:43.22 | somiaj | Brigo: terminals have a secondary character set that is nothing but symbols, and there is a way to force it to switch, I just forgot what it is called so not finding it on google. :/ |
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| 11:43.55 | Myrl | somiaj: I searched for VT102. |
| 11:44.06 | Brigo | somiaj, i think i fix it typing reset in the terminal |
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| 11:45.23 | somiaj | Myrl: try 'cat' then type ctrl-O and then ctrl-D |
| 11:45.51 | Myrl | somiaj: Then? |
| 11:46.16 | somiaj | Myrl: ctrl-O should switch to the'original' character set and ctrl-D just ends cat. |
| 11:46.29 | somiaj | I foudn mention of this on gogole, and that is how I rember fixing it a long time ago (been a while though) |
| 11:46.43 | Myrl | somiaj: It won't even accept my input. |
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| 11:47.31 | somiaj | Myrl: so the terminal is just dead, I thought it was just spewing out funky symbols when you typed (sometimes happenes when you cat a binary) |
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| 11:48.08 | Myrl | somiaj: I guess so. Never did this before though |
| 11:48.24 | Myrl | Anyways, I found the PID, how do I kill it? |
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| 11:48.41 | somiaj | kill -9 pid |
| 11:48.50 | jelly | killing getty is as easy as doing a SAK (alt-sysrq-k) in that virtual console, at which point it gets restarts |
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| 11:49.20 | somiaj | Myrl: yea I just checked it I was able to switch to the symbol character set and back by using ctrl sequences. But if you have it stuck in some program it may not allow you to do the correct input |
| 11:49.30 | Myrl | Yeeeeep it's dead. |
| 11:49.38 | Myrl | I tried everything, still dead. |
| 11:50.08 | jelly | Myrl: can you still switch to a different virtual console |
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| 11:54.13 | Myrl | jelly: Yeah. |
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| 11:56.47 | Myrl | oh damn. I destroyed another tty. lol. |
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| 11:57.51 | Myrl | or not. |
| 11:58.01 | Myrl | I should probably delete that perl script. |
| 11:58.47 | RoyK | any idea why pastebinit doesn't work on debian? This is just a basic installation http://paste.debian.net/156285/ |
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| 11:59.15 | themill | RoyK: don't paste single lines |
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| 11:59.57 | RoyK | themill: doh |
| 12:00.01 | RoyK | thanks :) |
| 12:00.10 | themill | np |
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| 12:02.31 | Brigo | RoyK, i think it should be a bug. My one does not work too, but it works some time ago. It was an update few days ago. |
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| 12:13.25 | corgisquidman | Hi, I have a few questions, if nobody minds. My first question is, what is the netinst iso? And the next question is, does it prompt you to install a DE or do you have to do it yourself like in Arch? |
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| 12:14.11 | themill | !netinst |
| 12:14.12 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 12:15.11 | themill | corgisquidman: The "tasksel" stage allows you to choose to install a desktop |
| 12:15.27 | corgisquidman | sweet thanks <3 |
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| 12:18.16 | corgisquidman | Also one more quick question, is debian pronounced with a hard e [deeb ian] or with a soft e [deb ian] |
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| 12:19.06 | polyphagia | soft corgisquidman |
| 12:19.10 | themill | corgisquidman: her name was Debra. |
| 12:19.26 | bazhang | and the releases follow toy story names |
| 12:19.42 | polyphagia | and corgisquidman you select the DE in the boot menu |
| 12:19.51 | corgisquidman | thanks all <3 |
| 12:19.52 | polyphagia | are you from /g/ corgisquidman |
| 12:20.03 | corgisquidman | polyphagia: how did you know that |
| 12:20.05 | polyphagia | lmao |
| 12:20.10 | polyphagia | i told you to install debian |
| 12:20.17 | polyphagia | and you asked the same questions |
| 12:20.17 | corgisquidman | oh in the SQT? lmao |
| 12:20.21 | polyphagia | yeah |
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| 12:21.54 | polyphagia | get off the ubuntu botnet corgisquidman ;) |
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| 12:22.25 | corgisquidman | lol |
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| 12:22.59 | corgisquidman | I'm going to try out debian on a VM for a while and then install it on my main machine as opposed to windows |
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| 12:23.27 | polyphagia | sweet, i think you'll like it |
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| 12:25.52 | teeeeeeeeest | hi |
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| 12:25.57 | teeeeeeeeest | how i can setup bind9 ? |
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| 12:26.18 | SynrG | read the doc? |
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| 12:26.42 | teeeeeeeeest | doc for? |
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| 12:27.12 | SynrG | seriously? |
| 12:27.42 | SynrG | !bind9 |
| 12:27.43 | dpkg | [bind] the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a Domain Name System (DNS) server. To install: "aptitude install bind9 bind9-doc". See also <bind9 chroot>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 https://www.isc.org/software/bind #bind on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:27.52 | centrx | Read the doc on "how", then the one on "i", then "can", then "setup", then finally you will get to the doc on "bind9" |
| 12:28.03 | SynrG | :) |
| 12:28.09 | corgisquidman | http://debian.org/doc |
| 12:28.09 | bazhang | join the bind channel as well |
| 12:28.40 | corgisquidman | wrong link |
| 12:28.48 | blackroot | ubuntu also has a nice guide how to set up a working bind9 server. works just as good in debian |
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| 12:30.36 | Qann | Hey guys... I got a problem... When trying to import my files from an archive I realized that my vps can not create some files and folders because they had some Korean and/or Turkish characters in it. So I tried running dpkg-reconfigure locales, update-locales and locale-gen to create a unicode environment for en, kr and tr. That didn't work. Either from terminal or ftp or web interfaces I still see my filenames like ___ or ???. |
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| 12:31.19 | centrx | Qann, If you see the files, they have been created, but yes it's a different character set |
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| 12:32.03 | RoyK | -win 27 |
| 12:32.06 | Qann | I do see. But they're all garbled... |
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| 12:33.04 | Iridos | Qann, the terminal might not being able to display them.... you always have to test against creation to see if a problem persists (or make sure your terminal can show those characters) |
| 12:33.10 | Qann | The same tar archive works under a different linux just ok. With the same terminal client, same .bashrc environment on a different machine I'm stuck. So I wonder if I have to install a package. Because even the environment is the same. |
| 12:34.23 | Brigo | Qann, try to add some fonts. |
| 12:34.41 | Qann | And as I said, not just terminal, nor can php or ftp see it. |
| 12:35.56 | centrx | Qann, This SO answer implies you can just change your locale to see the characters: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16771/foreign-characters-wont-display-in-ssh |
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| 12:37.26 | themill | Qann: it would help if you could show what is wrong with the output of a command (use a pastebin) |
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| 12:38.27 | Qann | centrx, I did all those. I did google and try finding solutions before coming here. (: They didn't work... locale for my system is all utf-8 but... |
| 12:38.30 | Qann | themill, ok. |
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| 12:41.23 | hassoon_1lies | is debian-live-7.8.0-i386-standard.iso mentioned in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid/?C=S;O=D the standard installable iso ? |
| 12:42.00 | themill | hassoon_1lies: no |
| 12:42.06 | Brigo | Qann, did you try to add some chines or japanese fonts? |
| 12:42.38 | Qann | Brigo, I've added these: ttf-freefont ttf-liberation ttf-droid |
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| 12:42.50 | hassoon_1lies | themill: which one then? I just want to download the smalles locally-installable one, instead of a fully featured kde/gnome one |
| 12:43.00 | hassoon_1lies | i use debian with i3 often |
| 12:43.05 | hassoon_1lies | i3wm |
| 12:43.06 | themill | hassoon_1lies: you want the netinst image then |
| 12:43.28 | hassoon_1lies | themill: d'oh won't it take much time to install the system |
| 12:43.36 | hassoon_1lies | i only got a 2mbs connection |
| 12:43.44 | themill | why? |
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| 12:43.54 | hassoon_1lies | what why |
| 12:44.04 | Brigo | Qann, apt-cache search fonts chinese |
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| 12:44.26 | themill | Qann, Brigo: aren't we talking about an ssh connection here? |
| 12:44.32 | themill | hassoon_1lies: why would it take a long time? |
| 12:45.29 | Brigo | themill, i think no. |
| 12:45.32 | Qann | themill, Here's the log: http://pastebin.com/KZ7cC7Ja I tried running commands again to show'em |
| 12:45.35 | hassoon_1lies | themill: I tried the netinstall before, it took one whole night to finish the install process |
| 12:46.17 | themill | hassoon_1lies: the netinst doesn't need to download anything additional -- unless of course you ask it to do so |
| 12:46.56 | hassoon_1lies | themill: is the desktop environment the most one that takes space? |
| 12:47.22 | polyphagia | yeah |
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| 12:47.34 | polyphagia | by default checking that off downloads all the GUI goodies too |
| 12:47.35 | hassoon_1lies | themill: that lower element on the list of pick-up's to- install in the netinst installation menu |
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| 12:47.57 | polyphagia | https://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome/gnome |
| 12:48.06 | hassoon_1lies | polyphagia: ah, and later what kind of desktop environment will appear when i start debian ? |
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| 12:48.19 | hassoon_1lies | if i unchecked that DE thing |
| 12:48.20 | polyphagia | gnome is the default but on the netinst you can select KDE, XFCE or LXDE |
| 12:48.23 | polyphagia | nothing |
| 12:48.34 | hassoon_1lies | just the tty mode? :o |
| 12:48.36 | polyphagia | you'll boot into the tty |
| 12:49.00 | polyphagia | you can install a different desktop env from there if you want |
| 12:49.09 | themill | which is what you asked for |
| 12:49.09 | Brigo | Qann, compile locales is useless at least you use them in LC* |
| 12:49.12 | hassoon_1lies | *and does installing the i3wm only make me able to login to a graphical interface ? |
| 12:49.37 | Qann | Brigo, I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales as well. |
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| 12:49.41 | polyphagia | i3 starts when you run startx |
| 12:49.52 | polyphagia | if you installed it that is |
| 12:50.03 | themill | Qann: and is this being run on a local machine or over ssh or what? |
| 12:50.03 | imdea | Hi, I have a Debian Wheezy machine configured with pam-ldap in order to allow users to login using their LDAP credentials. I've also configured pam_mkhomedir in order to their $HOME directories be created when their first login into the server, when this is done some directories structure is copied from /etc/skel. However I'd like to change some permissions to the directories copied, any ideas how could I achieve this? |
| 12:50.07 | hassoon_1lies | polyphagia: Ah, I see, and later after a reboot, won't it become my default graphical manager ? |
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| 12:50.30 | polyphagia | it'll be your default window manager, you still log in to the tty |
| 12:50.31 | Qann | themill, nope. This is a cheap server in France. |
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| 12:50.41 | themill | Qann: so this is an ssh connection? |
| 12:50.46 | hassoon_1lies | oh dear.. |
| 12:50.51 | polyphagia | you can set up a GUI login manager if you want |
| 12:51.03 | hassoon_1lies | so here i see a difference between a window tiling manager, and a desktop manager :o |
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| 12:51.11 | hassoon_1lies | polyphagia: ah that thing yes |
| 12:51.14 | Qann | themill, yes. But not just limited to ssh, as I said I can't display the characters over the ftp or owncloud php interface. |
| 12:51.27 | themill | Qann: what ssh client are you using? What filesystem is this on? |
| 12:51.33 | polyphagia | yeah you'd want a display manager then hassoon_1lies |
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| 12:52.05 | polyphagia | hassoon_1lies: https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager |
| 12:52.13 | hassoon_1lies | polyphagia: so the graphical login interface is done by the display manager? |
| 12:52.14 | Qann | themill, Xshell5, a terminal clientby Koreans. At some other server, I can display everything fine. |
| 12:52.19 | hassoon_1lies | polyphagia: okey, thanks7 |
| 12:52.23 | polyphagia | so something like slim i guess for i3 |
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| 12:52.31 | Myrl | hassoon_1lies: hi |
| 12:52.43 | Myrl | hassoon_1lies: I know you somewher.e |
| 12:53.00 | centrx | What a touching reunion |
| 12:53.18 | hassoon_1lies | Myrl: 'sup \o/ |
| 12:53.45 | Myrl | hassoon_1lies: i dunno wer though. |
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| 12:54.23 | hassoon_1lies | Myrl: anime of course |
| 12:54.51 | Myrl | hassoon_1lies: Yeah, I expected that. |
| 12:55.43 | themill | Qann: is your local terminal set to use the same character encoding as you have there over the ssh connection? |
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| 12:56.32 | themill | Qann: What filesystem is this mounted on? (check the output of "mount" -- I assume it will be ext4) |
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| 12:58.48 | Qann | themill, Mounted on ext4. Local terminal CAN and DOES display both encodings without problem. As I said, in a different tab, in a different ssh window a different server can display all fine. |
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| 13:02.32 | themill | Qann: I suspect we need to figure out what character encoding the filenames are actually in and then use that same encoding when extracting the tarball. I'm not sure whether the ?? are in the filenames on disk or in the representation of the filenames in the terminal. |
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| 13:03.17 | Qann | themill, I can't create any file or folders with just copy/paste names either though... |
| 13:03.27 | themill | Qann: I know you've been fiddling around with locales since, but what was LC_CTYPE (or LC_ALL or ...) when you first tried untarring? |
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| 13:04.06 | Qann | They are all set to en_US.UTF-8 I did multiple extractions just to be sure. |
| 13:05.08 | themill | Qann: can you "ls -1 | od -c" so we can look at the bytes in the filenames independently of any display? |
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| 13:06.05 | Qann | OK |
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| 13:07.58 | imdea | any ideas? |
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| 13:09.02 | themill | Qann: you could also "tar tf Drop.tar | od -c" and "tar tf Drop.tar | file -" to look at the tarball |
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| 13:09.57 | Qann | themill, Here, there're actually two of ls -1 | od -c results. on two different systems. The first one doesn't work. http://pastebin.com/UeAGLKLh |
| 13:09.59 | l9 | anyone running a trinty wow server ? |
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| 13:10.37 | NemeSis | how can i disable internet access on my debian , using iptables ? |
| 13:10.55 | Qann | themill, err... Considering the tar is a 33gb file, I don't think pastebin will accept the output :D |
| 13:11.00 | RoyK | NemeSis: all of it? |
| 13:11.16 | NemeSis | RoyK, yes, i dont need internet |
| 13:11.19 | RoyK | NemeSis: and do you mean internet or network access? |
| 13:11.39 | NemeSis | RoyK, internet |
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| 13:12.15 | RoyK | NemeSis: if everything is on the same network, simply remove the default gateway |
| 13:12.20 | petn-randall | !tell l9 -about anyone |
| 13:12.24 | Brigo | NemeSis, you have to disable the access to all network but your lan. You can achieve it with iptables. |
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| 13:12.53 | Brigo | or disable the gateway, as royk said :) |
| 13:12.56 | RoyK | Brigo: ufw is a nice iptables wrapper, but removing default gateway is probably easier |
| 13:13.25 | RoyK | ufw block from ip.of.default.gateway |
| 13:13.28 | RoyK | is another way |
| 13:13.35 | NemeSis | RoyK, i just want that drop outgoing terafinc to internet |
| 13:13.38 | RoyK | erm - that won't work |
| 13:13.43 | NemeSis | Brigo, i just want that drop outgoing terafinc to internet |
| 13:13.46 | RoyK | NemeSis: how many networks do you have? |
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| 13:14.08 | NemeSis | RoyK, 1 , eth0 |
| 13:14.12 | Brigo | RoyK, how to remove default gateway in a dynamic environmet? |
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| 13:14.22 | Brigo | i have to go. |
| 13:14.36 | RoyK | route del -net default |
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| 13:15.07 | Brigo | RoyK, on boot |
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| 13:15.45 | RoyK | Brigo: then just remove it from the config - if it's static |
| 13:15.58 | themill | Qann: tar tf is only outputting the filenames -- that first pastebin is showing that the filenames are not in UTF-8 on disk |
| 13:16.00 | RoyK | Brigo: if using dhcp - add that line to /etc/rc.local |
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| 13:18.12 | cnodell | iptables -A OUTPUT -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j REJECT |
| 13:18.32 | cnodell | with this in above it: |
| 13:18.34 | Qann | themill, OK, I see. I'm trying. Is tar tf Drop.tar | grep "SOMESPESIFICFOLDER" ok? |
| 13:18.35 | cnodell | iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.1/24 -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:19.11 | Qann | themill, didn't result anything like that |
| 13:19.14 | cnodell | Just going off memory. It has been a while since I have worked with iptables... |
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| 13:20.43 | NemeSis | cnodell, this will just drop my internet ? |
| 13:21.11 | themill | Qann: grep is locale-aware. Running the output from tar tf Drop.tar | head -n20 ⦠would be better I guess |
| 13:21.11 | fraff | shut the modem down |
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| 13:21.40 | cnodell | The idea is to tell ipdables to allow all outgoing trafic in your subnet (I used 192.168.0.0/24 as an example), then to deny any other outgoing traffic. |
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| 13:22.00 | cnodell | I am not 100% I have the command syntax correct though. |
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| 13:22.46 | Dorfen | This might be the wrong place to ask, but I'll give it a shot! Currently my servers at work are running freebsd, seeing we are moving to a more virtualized evironment we are thinking of switching to another more supported distro. |
| 13:23.12 | Dorfen | At first i went for Debian 7 weezy, but seeing the decade old packages of this distro made me flee for my life. |
| 13:23.15 | Qann | themill, ok. When I did it like this is one of the results: Drop/__ - \231mer/ |
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| 13:23.46 | Dorfen | So now we are leaning against ubuntu, but something tells me that won't get me anywhere, does any1 in here have an objective take on this? |
| 13:23.59 | themill | Dorfen: don't exaggerate... and newer doesn't mean better, it just means that you've had to fiddle with upgrading the config file a dozen times. |
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| 13:24.44 | Qann | Dorfen, go for Debian 8, it should be "as stable as" Ubuntu. (: |
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| 13:24.55 | Qann | You are always free to compile your stuff. |
| 13:25.07 | Iridos | now you made me wonder which package in debian is a decade old |
| 13:25.44 | Linnak | hi, i want to installo sid/hurd but apt doesn't find kernel. do i have to add it later? |
| 13:25.56 | Dorfen | themill: We'll seeing as we run postgresql 9.2 atm, and this all started due to upgrading to 9.3 - 9.4 in freebsd for port linking purposes. (currently running 9.2) There is no way in hell im downgarding my database to 9.1 :) |
| 13:26.46 | centrx | Is PG 9.1 a decade old |
| 13:26.56 | Linnak | also, when i choose automated partitioning (using the whole disk) it creates a 1.8Gb and the rest. Why? |
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| 13:27.43 | Iridos | Dorfen, if it's only the "now" state... you can have a look at the next release of debian, jessie. while there's no fixed release date it'll be some time this year... and changes to jessie will become smaller and smaller the more the release is near |
| 13:27.59 | Iridos | you also would need som time to migrate anyway |
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| 13:28.47 | Sark | It's really best to stick with Stable if at all possible. |
| 13:28.56 | themill | Dorfen: the debian postgresql maintainers have apt.postgresql.org |
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| 13:29.00 | Sark | Stable is, just that. It's very well tested. Not cutting edge, but it's reliable. |
| 13:29.53 | Sark | And they keep on top of security things as well. I'd recommend sticking with Wheezy and keep updating it. Eventually, once Jessie comes out, you can dist-upgrade to it. |
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| 13:30.16 | cnodell | So the first line (iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.1/24 -j ACCEPT) This should be first and says "Any traffic leaving this machine destined for theis subnet should be allowed). The second entry (iptables -A OUTPUT -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j DROP) says "drop all packets leaving this machine". Since the accept comes first this will allow local packets out while dropping all other packets. |
| 13:30.19 | Iridos | Sark, you didn't read what he said about his current database version, I guess? |
| 13:31.12 | Sark | ah, no, missed that. |
| 13:31.25 | cnodell | NemeSis: Is there a reason why you want to do this with iptables instead of just leaving out the default gateway as others have suggested? |
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| 13:31.58 | ws2k3 | what is the recommanded way to install java 7 in debian? |
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| 13:32.44 | centrx | ws2k3, apt-get install openjdk-7-jre ? |
| 13:32.55 | Iridos | dpkg, install java |
| 13:32.55 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 13:34.18 | Richard82 | hi guys, I do have a huge problem!! I used Debian 7 (wheezy). A few days ago, I updated my /etc/apt/sources.list to match the "Jessie" repos, and then I ran a "apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade". Unfortunately, this killed my system - there are sooo many errors, that I have to setup my system from new. |
| 13:34.32 | Richard82 | The biggest problem is, that I cannot access my external harddrives any more |
| 13:34.45 | Richard82 | because of this, I cannot backup my data! |
| 13:34.49 | ws2k3 | i am looking for java 7 |
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| 13:35.36 | RoyK | Richard82: boot on a live system and backup your data, then reinstall |
| 13:35.57 | eskatos | is there a way for a .deb to automatically add and enable an nginx site ? |
| 13:36.12 | cnodell | Richard82: Run a Live CD to transfer the data from the dead system to an external HD? If you used encryption or LVM this would be more difficult but it should be pretty simple otherwise! |
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| 13:36.24 | Richard82 | RoyK damn why was I sooo dumb? I should have known that myself!!! |
| 13:36.26 | Richard82 | damn |
| 13:36.32 | Richard82 | sorry for my really stupid question |
| 13:36.34 | RoyK | Richard82: :) |
| 13:36.43 | RoyK | Richard82: that happens when you're stressed ;) |
| 13:36.45 | Richard82 | cnodell, also thank you :) |
| 13:36.57 | Richard82 | RoyK: well, I am really stressed these days... |
| 13:37.02 | Richard82 | One more little question: |
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| 13:37.46 | Richard82 | I really, really like Debian. I started using Debian when it was "Debian potato" and continued until know. In between, I also gave kubuntu a short try, but sticked to debian anyway. |
| 13:37.50 | cnodell | Also, next time arround, be sure to update your system fully using your existing repositories before changing repos and upgrading again. |
| 13:37.59 | Richard82 | Now, my problem is that I really, really, really want to watch netflix on my computer |
| 13:38.18 | Richard82 | but netflix requires lbnss in a version that is not being shipped with wheezy |
| 13:38.25 | Richard82 | so I wanted to upgrade to Jessie |
| 13:38.35 | Richard82 | since I experienced such a mess (and also many bugs in KDE) |
| 13:38.43 | Richard82 | especially the ALT+F2 bug bothers soooooo much!! |
| 13:38.44 | polyphagia | Richard82: you can also use pipelight for netflix |
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| 13:39.00 | polyphagia | i set up my sister's computer with wheezy and pipelight for netflix |
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| 13:39.07 | Richard82 | polyphagia, I wasn't able to get it run with pipelight |
| 13:39.09 | cnodell | Richard82: I recall reading that you can watch NetFlix using Google Chrome on linux. You have to install the commercial, closed source version from the google website though. I have never tried this myself though. |
| 13:39.09 | polyphagia | oh ok |
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| 13:39.31 | polyphagia | well Richard82 you could always just use popcorn time :) |
| 13:39.39 | Richard82 | polyphagia, you might be able to help me with that, but I try to stick to the main problem for the moment, in order not to confuse others what the question is |
| 13:39.48 | polyphagia | yeah ok |
| 13:39.59 | Richard82 | so, I basically wanted to upgrade |
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| 13:40.04 | Richard82 | now I wonder, what would be better: |
| 13:40.11 | polyphagia | i'm not really sure how to debug pipelight anyway it 'just worked' for me, i don't really like supporting netflix though |
| 13:40.12 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 13:40.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:40.21 | Richard82 | 1) Debian 7 (wheezy) with some workarounds to get netflix work |
| 13:40.33 | Richard82 | 2) Debian Jessie (new installation, *not* a dist-upgrade) |
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| 13:40.42 | Richard82 | 3) Kubuntu 14.04 LTS |
| 13:40.48 | Richard82 | 4) Kubuntu 14.10 |
| 13:40.49 | slackner | polyphagia: Richard82: there is a pipelight support channel here on IRC, #pipelight |
| 13:41.00 | Richard82 | // kubuntu only as workaround until Jessie is stable |
| 13:41.05 | Richard82 | or option 5) |
| 13:41.14 | Richard82 | 5) exegnulinux (which is Debian + KDE 3 !!) |
| 13:41.18 | polyphagia | Richard82: well since you've been using debian for a while you could probably deal with any instabilities jessie gives you |
| 13:41.21 | Richard82 | KDE3 = Trinity Desktop |
| 13:41.22 | blackroot | Richard82: you had netflix-desktop or whetever it's called. works great |
| 13:41.25 | blackroot | have* |
| 13:41.36 | polyphagia | but it's pretty close to release so it shouldn't really give you much problems |
| 13:41.42 | Richard82 | blackroot, on wheezy or Jessie? |
| 13:41.51 | polyphagia | netflix-desktop uses the same sort of thing as pipelight |
| 13:42.00 | polyphagia | if pipelight didn't work then netflix-desktop's probably not going to work |
| 13:42.01 | RoyK | Richard82: does ubuntu 14.04 support netflix out of the box? or with pipelight? |
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| 13:42.26 | slackner | polyphagia: netflix-desktop is not really actively maintained anymore, use it at your own risk. moreover its slower than pipelight |
| 13:42.34 | Richard82 | RoyK Kubuntu 14.04 should support it out of the box using the HTML5 playback - unfortunately, in my country, I cannot find this in the netflix settings |
| 13:42.39 | blackroot | Richard82: i believe it works on both. look it up how to add their repo. think it works on all releases |
| 13:42.49 | polyphagia | o ok i just remember it being in the same repo as pipelight but maybe i'm mistaken |
| 13:42.51 | RoyK | Richard82: which country is that? |
| 13:43.01 | polyphagia | it could've been some ubuntu PPA where somebody put them together idr, haven't used it in a while |
| 13:43.01 | Richard82 | RoyK: Austria (not Australia!!) |
| 13:43.05 | cnodell | Richard82: I just tested it. Debian Testing running Google Chrome 37+ will play netflix with no problems. |
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| 13:43.23 | Richard82 | cnodell, thank you for testing |
| 13:43.27 | cnodell | Only if you are ok with using closed source programs from third parties though. |
| 13:43.34 | Richard82 | so, when it comes to netflix, it seems to work on all versions |
| 13:43.43 | Richard82 | now the question is: my system is busted anyway (really, really busted!) |
| 13:43.44 | RoyK | Richard82: I know the difference (having been to .at a few imes) |
| 13:43.52 | Richard82 | so, what would be the best way to go now? |
| 13:44.09 | Richard82 | Wheezy, Jessie, exegnulinux (which is Debian + KDE3) |
| 13:44.14 | cnodell | It depends on what you want out of your system. |
| 13:44.20 | Richard82 | exegnulinux is totally compatible to debian |
| 13:44.43 | RoyK | Richard82: [offtopic] btw, where in .at? |
| 13:44.52 | Richard82 | RoyK: Vienna, that's the capital |
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| 13:44.58 | RoyK | knows |
| 13:45.00 | RoyK | nice place |
| 13:45.06 | Richard82 | ^.^ |
| 13:45.15 | polyphagia | Richard82: i'd just go with jessie then |
| 13:45.18 | Richard82 | well, if you can deal with the people... the place is nice though |
| 13:45.19 | cnodell | I go with Testing. I do a base install using the Testing NetInstall cd. |
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| 13:45.47 | cnodell | What do you find challenging with the people? |
| 13:45.52 | polyphagia | chrome is painless to install on testing and according to cnodell netflix works with no problems |
| 13:45.54 | themill | Iridos: http://ircbots.debian.net/stats/package_ages.png |
| 13:45.55 | Richard82 | ok then I will go with Jessie |
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| 13:46.26 | Richard82 | cnodell, in Vienna? ignorance, and... hard to describe... you need to see it in order to understand it. They live in their very own mental environment |
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| 13:46.41 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:46.41 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:46.47 | Richard82 | sorry abrotman |
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| 13:46.58 | eskatos | is it possible to create a .deb package that adds a nginx site and enable it automatically ? |
| 13:47.00 | cnodell | Honestly, I really dislike Google Chrome, but I have to use it at work since it is the only browser on Linux that supports recent flash versions... |
| 13:47.18 | polyphagia | cnodell: what do you need flash for? |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | eskatos: yes |
| 13:47.43 | polyphagia | and it is possible to install chrome's flash on chromium i'm pretty sure, but you might be even able to use shumway :P |
| 13:47.47 | petn-randall | eskatos: You can make it drop a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, from where it will get read just like as if it was part of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:47.54 | Richard82 | cnodell, well, for me, there was an other reason to use it - firefox became sooo slow in the past few years, no matter why. It's quick on MS Windows systems, but really too slow on Linux - additionally it eats up CPU |
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| 13:47.58 | cnodell | Richard82: I live in germany and have only spent a little while in Austria. They seemed a bit more old fashioned but not my much (in comparison to Germany). |
| 13:48.13 | eskatos | petn-randall: did you mean /etc/nginx/site-available instead? |
| 13:48.14 | polyphagia | Richard82: you should use chromium instead of chrome for regular browsing |
| 13:48.20 | petn-randall | cnodell: Please take it to #debian-offtopic if you need to, this is a support channel. |
| 13:48.22 | polyphagia | if you're not going to use firefox that is |
| 13:48.38 | cnodell | petv-randall: Sorry! My bad! |
| 13:48.45 | Richard82 | cnodell, true that ^.^ |
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| 13:49.16 | Richard82 | polyphagia, I did not, but then I upgraded Chromium, and it looked very ugly (cannot remember the version) |
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| 13:49.41 | petn-randall | eskatos: oh wait, I misread your message. Yes, you can probably drop it somewhere, and enable it with a command. I'd only know how to do it with apache2, I've hardly used nginx until now. |
| 13:49.46 | cnodell | I agree, I would only use Google Chrome for things that would not work on Chromium or Firefox. I tend to be paranoid that way. |
| 13:50.08 | polyphagia | it's not even paranoia, chrome is proprietary and closed source. they will send data to google |
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| 13:50.14 | Richard82 | cnodell, can you remember the days, when we still all loved google? :) |
| 13:50.47 | polyphagia | not to mention chrome ships with lots of other proprietary software built in :S |
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| 13:51.12 | Iridos | Richard82, was it yesterday? |
| 13:51.18 | polyphagia | firefox is always my first choice because even the mainstream browser is released as free software |
| 13:51.30 | polyphagia | not free artwork/naming though :P |
| 13:51.42 | eskatos | abrotman, petn-randall: so I make my package drop the nginx site config in /etc/nginx/sites-available, the corresponding symlink in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled and restart nginx in a postinst script ... should this do it? |
| 13:51.54 | lifeofgu_ | is it actually possible to fetch author from .exe via libmagic? |
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| 13:55.07 | Malinux | when I run pastebinit, it dosesn't generate a link |
| 13:55.16 | Malinux | it looks like this |
| 13:55.18 | Malinux | black-mamba@black-mamba:~$ dmesg | pastebinit |
| 13:55.20 | Malinux | http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 13:55.22 | Malinux | black-mamba@black-mamba:~$ |
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| 13:58.29 | Iridos | judd, versions pastebinit |
| 13:58.30 | judd | Package: pastebinit on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; sid: 1.4-4; jessie: 1.4-4 |
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| 13:58.56 | abrotman | eskatos: more or less |
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| 14:00.24 | eskatos | abrotman: fair enough :) I'll try to implement this, thanks |
| 14:00.41 | Iridos | Malinux, it seems to do that |
| 14:01.25 | Malinux | Iridos: no, it shouldn't be a general link |
| 14:01.32 | abrotman | eskatos: see the New Maintainer Guide with questions .. but what you're doing is pretty simple |
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| 14:01.39 | Iridos | Malinux, I know |
| 14:01.46 | Malinux | so it dosen't work :) |
| 14:02.10 | Richard82 | bye all, thank you :) |
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| 14:04.44 | Iridos | Malinux, I think you get that with too-long input (or in my tests with too-short ones, as I only had echo bla | pastebinit in my test) . That seems to be this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679650 |
| 14:04.56 | Iridos | Malinux, although I do get a pastebin if I do dmesg |pastebinit |
| 14:05.13 | Malinux | Iridos: I tried to the same on another user on the same computer |
| 14:05.14 | Iridos | my dmesg is ~1000 lines, though |
| 14:05.28 | Iridos | does echo -e 'bla\nbla\nbla' | pastebinit give you an url? |
| 14:05.29 | Malinux | it works when I use another user |
| 14:05.42 | eskatos | abrotman: yep, I think it is pretty simple too, I was looking for some "yeah, did it that way and it worked ootb" feedback .. so, going to implement it right away! we'll see how it goes |
| 14:05.47 | Iridos | maybe you have a weird ~/.pastebinit.xml |
| 14:05.51 | Malinux | black-mamba@black-mamba:~$ echo -e 'bla\nbla\nbla' | pastebinit |
| 14:05.53 | Malinux | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:05.55 | abrotman | eskatos: yes, I've done similar |
| 14:05.55 | Malinux | black-mamba@black-mamba:~$ |
| 14:05.57 | Malinux | nope :) |
| 14:06.06 | Iridos | maybe you have a weird ~/.pastebinit.xml <<------ |
| 14:06.07 | abrotman | use a different one |
| 14:06.07 | Malinux | Iridos: maybe. don't think I have editet that |
| 14:06.12 | eskatos | abrotman: good to read, cheers! |
| 14:06.24 | Iridos | well, it must be *some* user configuration in $HOME if you only get it with a specific user |
| 14:06.37 | Malinux | Iridos: I can't find .pastebinit.xml on that location |
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| 14:12.11 | onur | Hi guys. I am wondering can I set different TERM for a host in my ssh_config? |
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| 14:21.28 | Vikon | Whats the best way of setting up your own IRC server? |
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| 14:22.27 | centrx | Vikon, install an ircd/IRC server/daemon |
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| 14:23.07 | polyphagia | why isn't gnash in jessie? |
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| 14:23.51 | SynrG | ,v gnash |
| 14:23.52 | judd | Package: gnash on i386 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.8-5+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.8.8-5+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.10-5~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.11~git20120629-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.8.11~git20140319+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 0.8.11~git20140708-3+b2 |
| 14:24.33 | SynrG | hm. i forget how to ask judd to say why |
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| 14:24.48 | SynrG | ,bug rm gnash |
| 14:24.52 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 14:25.04 | centrx | Removed for 'libav11 transition' https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnash/news/20140901T163917Z.html |
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| 14:25.20 | centrx | No new version uploaded to unstable, looks fairly unmaintained - https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnash.html |
| 14:25.20 | SynrG | tnx. wonder why judd doesn't know |
| 14:25.33 | centrx | judd is a crafty fellow |
| 14:25.36 | SynrG | flash is a dead technology. |
| 14:25.44 | SynrG | all right-thinking persons use html5 instead |
| 14:26.06 | centrx | Hear hear |
| 14:26.21 | Vikon | centrx, all of those or just one of them? |
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| 14:26.32 | centrx | Vikon, different words for the same thing |
| 14:26.36 | centrx | Vikon, Install one IRC server |
| 14:26.58 | centrx | Vikon, apt-cache search ircd shows some/all of them |
| 14:26.59 | centrx | in Debian |
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| 14:27.44 | Vikon | centrx, but which? I want something so that Im connecting to "irc.domain.net" |
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| 14:28.02 | goose | I just set up a jailed ssh user, the jail seems to be working correctly, but when I su to that user to test it the shell comes up as: I have no name!@wash:~$ |
| 14:28.10 | goose | Does anyone have any idea how I can fix that "I have no name!" issue? |
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| 14:28.39 | centrx | Vikon, I don't have a recommendation on which is the best ircd for you. |
| 14:28.50 | centrx | Vikon, Mapping your server to a domain name is a DNS issue, not an IRC issue |
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| 14:30.26 | miskatonic | html5 is tainted by Digital Rights Mismanagement, isn't it? |
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| 14:30.38 | polyphagia | never heard that one before |
| 14:30.40 | polyphagia | but yes |
| 14:30.58 | polyphagia | thanks to netflix and google |
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| 14:31.11 | SynrG | you could as easily say the internet is tainted by DRM. but it wouldn't be a reason not to use it :p |
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| 14:31.28 | centrx | minified Javascript - DRM |
| 14:31.33 | polyphagia | no |
| 14:31.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | it would be a reason not to use those parts of the internet. |
| 14:31.40 | polyphagia | minified js is just nonfree |
| 14:31.46 | polyphagia | usually anyway |
| 14:31.52 | polyphagia | it's not DRM though |
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| 14:32.48 | polyphagia | most JS on the web is nonfree though unfortunately |
| 14:33.54 | polyphagia | but it is very possible to develop free JS, and actually most of the JS libraries released are GPL compatable |
| 14:34.12 | polyphagia | see https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/ |
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| 14:34.50 | miskatonic | or not GPL compat but still free |
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| 14:35.12 | polyphagia | the huge JS module repository npm mostly has expat code |
| 14:36.12 | SynrG | onur: maybe SendEnv? |
| 14:36.32 | polyphagia | i think it'd actually be harder to find proprietary JS libraries/modules than it would be to find free ones, but most websites release them as nonfree minification blobs |
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| 14:36.40 | miskatonic | iceweasel is going to use html5 over xul as soon as upstream firefox does, right? |
| 14:36.44 | SynrG | onur: ssh_config says debian sets this by default to "LANG LC_*". i assume if you overwrite that, you need to preseve those, so: |
| 14:36.48 | SynrG | TERM=foo ssh -oSendEnv="LANG LC_* TERM" localhost |
| 14:37.00 | SynrG | my test indicates in the remote shell, TERM=foo |
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| 14:37.11 | SynrG | where 'localhost' in this test stands in for any remote host |
| 14:37.22 | SynrG | onur: does that help? |
| 14:37.48 | SynrG | onur: of course, the doc says that's subject to the server actually allowing SendEnv |
| 14:38.29 | polyphagia | miskatonic: looks like iceweasel is still on version 31 on sid |
| 14:38.41 | polyphagia | so probably not as soon as it's released no |
| 14:39.15 | polyphagia | but the iceweasel in the experimental repo will probably have it right away |
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| 14:41.51 | stylica | So devuan is special compared to debian that it offers the nightlys for systemd? |
| 14:42.01 | onur | SynrG: sendenv is only sending non default env variables. For example if I set SendEnv FOO, it will send FOO env variable during ssh connection. I want to use different TERM variable per host but I can't define this in ssh_config. I have to use 'TERM=myterm ssh host' every time. I will just add my term into ~/.terminfo |
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| 14:42.48 | onur | I just dont want to install ncurses-term, rxvt-unicode-256color is defined in this but I don't see any reason to install 5mb terminfo for one term |
| 14:42.48 | SynrG | onur: ok. and yes, i did get it that you have to additionally set the var as my test shows |
| 14:42.54 | SynrG | i see. |
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| 14:43.16 | SynrG | well, you could set up your .profile at the host |
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| 14:44.20 | stylica | anyone? |
| 14:44.34 | SynrG | debian derivatives are OT for this channel |
| 14:44.54 | SynrG | !devuan |
| 14:44.55 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a fork of Debian, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan for support. |
| 14:44.56 | SynrG | ask them |
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| 14:47.59 | miskatonic | it's really evil that conkeror on jessie depoends on iceweasel, as xulrunner is no longer available |
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| 14:55.39 | cnodell | stylica: Devuan is a fork of Debian that does not implement systemd. You would have to ask them for details... |
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| 14:56.11 | Qann | Onur, alternatively you can set a php that will output different results per IP and then just try adding the resulting variable to your ssh environment during connection start, I know it's not a good solution but better than having nothing. That way you only need to change the php file if you need to change any variable. But then again putting the same thing in .bashrc is the same and it's faster :D |
| 14:56.11 | stylica | did that |
| 14:56.13 | stylica | yep |
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| 15:07.11 | fladd | hello everyone. I installed the qt libraries in Squeeze from the official repository, but it seems that this was compiled WITHOUT SSL support? Can that be? How can I enable SSL support for QT in Debian? |
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| 15:07.50 | 17SABWJHU | I have a debian server I rented |
| 15:07.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't understand what ssl has to do with qt. |
| 15:08.19 | Qann | Fladd, compile it yourself? |
| 15:08.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | isn't qt a ui framework? isn't ssl rather far removed from ui considerations? |
| 15:08.28 | 17SABWJHU | My ssh connection dropped while I was installing, now apt-get is borked |
| 15:08.39 | fladd | qt is an application framework |
| 15:08.43 | 17SABWJHU | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:08.46 | fladd | not only ui |
| 15:08.57 | fladd | Qann: Is that the only option? |
| 15:09.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | never used it, sounds bloated already :P |
| 15:09.20 | Brigo | 17SABWJHU, can you paste the full output and the command in paste.debian.net? |
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| 15:10.11 | 17SABWJHU | http://pastebin.com/jGu0i42a |
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| 15:11.24 | Brigo | 17SABWJHU, did you read /usr/share/doc/dictionaries-common/README.problems ? as sugested? |
| 15:11.39 | Qann | Never used it myself either but, if you can't find it, just compile it yourself. Why does QT need ssl, I don't know but... |
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| 15:15.48 | Rocketeer | somehow missed that, reading it now |
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| 15:30.11 | Rocketeer | Brigo: That server is so borked |
| 15:30.38 | Rocketeer | I installed xfce just playing around and it got interrupted as I said |
| 15:31.06 | Rocketeer | A few things in the README.problems file seemed to work |
| 15:31.13 | Rocketeer | Now the system won't reboot |
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| 15:31.43 | Rocketeer | I tried purging xfce with sudo apt-get purge xfconf xfce4-utils xfwm4 xfce4-session thunar xfdesktop4 exo-utils xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal |
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| 15:32.00 | Rocketeer | Then apt-get autoremove |
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| 15:32.30 | Rocketeer | But sudo reboot gives "Shutdown: Unable to shutdown system" |
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| 15:35.10 | Rocketeer | Arrgh I should just reinstall |
| 15:35.25 | Rocketeer | sudo shutdown -h -now -r |
| 15:35.31 | Rocketeer | gives "invalid option: -o" |
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| 15:35.39 | nkuttler | reinstalling is usually faster than fixing huge breakage, imo |
| 15:35.55 | Rocketeer | echo sudo shutdown -h -now -r |
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| 15:36.01 | Rocketeer | gives sudo shutdown -h -now -r |
| 15:36.08 | Rocketeer | So it's not a keyboard layout issue |
| 15:36.13 | nkuttler | Rocketeer: did you just upgrade to jessie, or..? |
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| 15:36.46 | Rocketeer | nkuttlerNo, I tried installing xfce just playing around and my connection to the server dropped |
| 15:37.02 | Rocketeer | So the whole thing seems very very broken |
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| 15:37.11 | nkuttler | Rocketeer: start with apt-get -f install |
| 15:37.11 | fraff | Rocketeer: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger is dirty but efficient |
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| 15:37.30 | Rocketeer | nkuttler: Already tried that, didn't work |
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| 15:38.11 | nkuttler | Rocketeer: sudo type shutdown? |
| 15:38.16 | ctmjr | or use the shutdown command with the proper syntax shutdown -r now |
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| 15:38.28 | nkuttler | argh, that's a builtin.. |
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| 15:38.56 | nkuttler | Rocketeer: give sudo the full path, /sbin/shutdown |
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| 15:39.09 | Rocketeer | sudo shutdown -r now gives shutdown: Unable to shutdown system |
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| 15:39.32 | Rocketeer | sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now |
| 15:39.39 | Rocketeer | gives shutdown: Unable to shutdown system |
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| 15:40.28 | Rocketeer | ctmjr: sudo echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger gives "-bash: /proc/sysrq-trigger: Permission denied |
| 15:40.29 | Rocketeer | " |
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| 15:41.24 | Qann | try reboot ? |
| 15:41.44 | nkuttler | or poweroff. and become root if you want to redirect output, not sudo.. or look up the proper syntax |
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| 15:43.42 | Rocketeer | am now properly root |
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| 15:44.19 | Rocketeer | As root, root@vps, shutdown doesn't work |
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| 15:44.44 | Rocketeer | Poweroff doesn't work either |
| 15:45.00 | nkuttler | try the other methods we suggested. or reboot from your vps management panel. if *that* doesn't work, contact your hoster |
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| 15:45.56 | hebbi | hi |
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| 15:46.22 | Rocketeer | I tried rebooting from the vps management panel, nothing |
| 15:46.27 | Rocketeer | I'll contact them |
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| 15:46.50 | sine0 | how can i check the version of an application on my debian server |
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| 15:47.10 | nkuttler | sine0: apt-cache policy <pkg>, <cmd> --version, etc |
| 15:47.19 | sine0 | thanks |
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| 15:48.59 | Rocketeer | ...and now it shut itself off long after I told it to |
| 15:49.35 | Rocketeer | And sudo reboot also works |
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| 15:51.11 | nkuttler | Rocketeer: well, odd things happen. especially in virtualized envs |
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| 15:52.17 | Rocketeer | nkuttler: It seems that way, yes |
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| 15:56.14 | osfe | Hi there. Do you know a bash script to fix the bounding box of a postscript file, please |
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| 16:00.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | so i have a package that uses debconf to get some input from the user... |
| 16:00.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there a way to provide this input at the command line to facilitate noninteractive installation? |
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| 16:02.37 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: you can preseed debconf answers. |
| 16:02.43 | jelly | !preseed |
| 16:02.44 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 16:02.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | awesome :) |
| 16:03.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | best support channel ever. |
| 16:03.02 | jelly | dpkg, tell NoImNotNineVolt about debconf-set-selections |
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| 16:03.09 | jelly | that thing. |
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| 16:14.23 | ChrisH | I am migrating services from an old-debian to a current debian box and reached NIS. Is there a way to find the clients using a specific YP-Server? like showmount -a? I am not aware of such a command. |
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| 16:16.55 | Dorfen | hi, i was in here earlier asking about debian vs ubuntu as a freeBSD server replacement, sadly my internet on work crashed and i did not get to read all the reponses. Is there a log or something i can have a look at? |
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| 16:17.17 | nkuttler | Dorfen: /topic |
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| 16:18.09 | Dorfen | so I should take that as a hint to ask in another place? |
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| 16:18.46 | nkuttler | Dorfen: no, do what the topic suggests, msg the bot |
| 16:19.13 | mtn | Dorfen: last item in the topic |
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| 16:19.43 | Dorfen | aaah, tyvm! Feeling a little stupid :P |
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| 16:20.14 | nkuttler | np. the bot is quite useful once you know how to use it |
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| 16:20.56 | Dorfen | Yeah seems so... Hmm the log is not in real time? |
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| 16:22.43 | Dorfen | Well then, since there is so silent in here I'll just ask again to get a few other opinions :) |
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| 16:23.13 | nkuttler | Dorfen: looks like it's not |
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| 16:24.14 | Dorfen | At work, we are moving to a more virtualized environment. At the moment FreeBSD is the main operating system we use, but the support for freebsd in virtualized environments could be better. So we are looking for a switch - Debian or Ubuntu was what we initially thought about. |
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| 16:26.22 | Dorfen | Since stabillity is a big issue for us debian LTS seemed logical, but the packages in that release are kinda old, i would how to downgrade my postgresql database from 9.2 -> 9.1 wich I'm never gonna do..Where do i go from here? Install ubuntu, build unstable packages on the lts release thereby removing much of the stability, what are your takes on this? |
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| 16:28.31 | ChrisH | ,v postgresql-server |
| 16:28.32 | judd | No package named 'postgresql-server' was found in i386. |
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| 16:28.36 | ChrisH | ,v postgresql |
| 16:28.37 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- squeeze-security: 8.4.20-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.21-0squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 8.4.22lts1-0+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; jessie: 9.4+165; sid: 9.4+166 |
| 16:29.02 | Rocketeer | So I'm trying to set up a vpn server on a virtual server I rented |
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| 16:29.19 | Rocketeer | The problem is that I have no idea what I'm doing |
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| 16:29.29 | smw | Dorfen, looks like debian stable has psql 9.1 |
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| 16:29.35 | Rocketeer | I'm following this guide: http://www.pontikis.net/blog/openvpn_on_debian_server |
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| 16:29.58 | Rocketeer | I was fine until I got to /etc/openvpn/server.conf |
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| 16:30.13 | Twinkletoes | Rocketeer: You could try using OpenVPN Access Server, it's dead simple and give you a little GUI to configure aswell. |
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| 16:30.48 | Rocketeer | Twinkletoes: I can only control the server through ssh though |
| 16:30.51 | Twinkletoes | Rocketeer: 2 concurrent licenses is free, the rest are somethign like 50 GBP per 10 licences |
| 16:30.55 | Twinkletoes | Rockah |
| 16:30.57 | Dorfen | smw: It does, I realised that after installing. My problem is more in the matter of what is the best practice here? Not on the technical detail level, but on the os/release level if you get my point? |
| 16:31.00 | Twinkletoes | Rocketeer: ah |
| 16:31.27 | Rocketeer | I'm ok with the idea of a shell, I just don't know what I'm doing |
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| 16:32.25 | Dorfen | Well having a shell and a vpn server is to different matters, you can have both. |
| 16:32.50 | smw | Dorfen, I don't understand why you would want to downgrade. It sounds like a bad idea if you are interested in stability. My recommendation would be to build your system against a version of debian and upgrade as debian upgrades. |
| 16:33.13 | Rocketeer | Dorfen: Right, I'm trying to create a vpn server, but I can't use any gui tools because I only control my server through ssh |
| 16:33.19 | smw | Dorfen, that said, when you really need it, there are debian archives but those aren't getting security fixes |
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| 16:34.10 | dokma | just bought a machine from OVH and looking to install from bare metal |
| 16:34.17 | Dorfen | smw: I'm not gonna downgrade! Freebsd has me force updating to at least 9.3 running 9.2 atm. Upgrading to 9.3 no matter what the distro is! My issue is that Debian LTS does not come with this postgresql! |
| 16:34.24 | dokma | is debootstrap the right way to go? |
| 16:34.45 | jelly | dokma: why not boot and use the normal installer |
| 16:34.46 | smw | Dorfen, what is Debian LTS? |
| 16:35.06 | dokma | boot from what? |
| 16:35.15 | Dorfen | smw: Long Term Support :) |
| 16:35.16 | Rocketeer | I just want to know what I have to edit in /etc/openvpn/server.conf |
| 16:35.20 | dokma | it's a machine in a datacenter |
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| 16:35.39 | smw | Dorfen, yeah, I just looked it up. I know LTS is long term support, I just had no idea what debian lts was. |
| 16:35.44 | dokma | I can either use one of their preconfigured installers or go debootstrap... |
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| 16:35.50 | jelly | dokma: boot from .iso image over remote mgt |
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| 16:36.14 | dokma | no vnc here |
| 16:36.24 | dokma | so how would I access the installer? |
| 16:36.27 | jelly | dokma: you don't have console access? IPMI? DRAC? iLO? |
| 16:36.32 | smw | Dorfen, why would you still be using squeeze? |
| 16:37.07 | jelly | dokma: what do you do when the machine doesn't boot properly? |
| 16:37.10 | Dorfen | Rocketeer: That depends on how your network the host is running on is constructed, wich ports you have access to, if you're iprouting or plain ethernet link etc. This is really not generic in most cases :) |
| 16:37.55 | dokma | jelly, I pay 25 for 1 day of KVM |
| 16:38.07 | jelly | ouch |
| 16:38.29 | Dorfen | smw: Let's first establish, I know my unix/BDS's very well. But I never really used debian that much, so the different releases is actually what i need help with! :) |
| 16:38.44 | jelly | I guess they seem cheap up-front, then charge for all the "extras" |
| 16:38.53 | Rocketeer | Dorfen: Dang it:( |
| 16:39.03 | dokma | exactly |
| 16:39.16 | dokma | but debootstrap doesn't seem so bad after all does it not? |
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| 16:39.32 | smw | Dorfen, debian has 3 versions stable, testing, unstable. Testing is a rolling release auto pulling from unstable. Unstable is a free for all. |
| 16:39.33 | Dorfen | Rocketeer: Should be rather simple to figure out based on the info sent by your VPS provider :) |
| 16:39.50 | smw | Dorfen, there is no "LTS" you should care about |
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| 16:40.19 | smw | Dorfen, They have what appears to be a pilot program where another team of people is maintaining a EOL'd version. |
| 16:40.21 | daimon | hi folks |
| 16:40.24 | Dorfen | smw: So at work, when we are going for stability and i mean like 99.9% where would you go? |
| 16:40.32 | smw | Dorfen, stable |
| 16:40.39 | daimon | I've an issue with mounted drives. Anyone can helo? |
| 16:40.47 | daimon | *help |
| 16:40.54 | smw | Dorfen, (the current stable version is "wheezy") |
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| 16:41.28 | Twinkletoes | Dorfen: Who said Debian doesn't come with PGSQL? https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql |
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| 16:41.48 | daimon | I'm on LXDE and can't see mounted sdb1 |
| 16:41.59 | Dorfen | Twinkletoes: I never said that? |
| 16:42.00 | jelly | Twinkletoes: but he absolutely needs 9.3 or newer |
| 16:42.13 | jelly | wheezy has 9.1 |
| 16:42.33 | smw | Did he say that? I thought he wanted 9.1 |
| 16:42.33 | ctmjr | daimon: where did you mount it and how |
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| 16:42.50 | Dorfen | yes i did! :) |
| 16:42.55 | Dorfen | i want 9.3 |
| 16:43.03 | daimon | on my pc with fdisk /dev/sdb tool |
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| 16:43.37 | smw | Dorfen, ah, that sucks then. It means you need to install it yourself which is messy |
| 16:43.45 | Tenkawa | Anyone by chance installed debian on a baytrail box that needs 32 bit efi? |
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| 16:43.57 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 16:44.00 | mtn | Dorfen: or use testing or wait until jessis is released |
| 16:44.02 | polyphagia | hi |
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| 16:44.09 | ctmjr | daimon: fdisk does not mount |
| 16:44.09 | Twinkletoes | jelly: I don't knwo what ubuntu 14.04 LTS has |
| 16:44.10 | jelly | Dorfen: install debian 7 and use packages built by upstream people. |
| 16:44.55 | jelly | or investigate what Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has, right, if you can trust that platform |
| 16:45.07 | ctmjr | daimon:the mount command mount's the disk |
| 16:45.19 | daimon | ctmjr can we talk in private? |
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| 16:45.51 | Dorfen | jelly: Upstream people, you mean like pull and build myself? Or does debian have another repository to pull packages from with newer versions? |
| 16:45.57 | daimon | ctmjr anyway, the drive seems mounted |
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| 16:46.11 | Twinkletoes | jelly: dorfen: Well, there are 9.4 packages available for all versions of Wheezy: http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/dists/ |
| 16:46.13 | jelly | Dorfen: postgresql.org has their own repo for debian |
| 16:46.15 | ctmjr | no thank you, keep it in the channel so others can help also |
| 16:46.20 | Twinkletoes | jelly: hah! |
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| 16:46.25 | Dorfen | jelly: Problem is i really don't trust ubuntu, especially not for stability purposes! :P |
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| 16:46.35 | jelly | Dorfen: it's two clicks from www.postgresql.org |
| 16:46.45 | daimon | I've parted with fdisk, sorry, and mounted with the following: |
| 16:46.52 | Tenkawa | uggg uefi is annoying |
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| 16:47.22 | daimon | http://www.debiantutorials.com/add-a-second-hard-disk/ |
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| 16:47.50 | daimon | it appears ok in the shell but not on the ide |
| 16:47.56 | jelly | Twinkletoes: 9.4 too new! |
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| 16:48.27 | Dorfen | jelly: This is for a work environment, we are talking multiple servers, inhouse c++ code running across em all etc so gui clicking will not be done! And adding multiple mirrors etc for each special package my software needs on each individual server is just not gonna happen! >P |
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| 16:48.43 | Twinkletoes | jelly: 9.3 is there too |
| 16:48.56 | jelly | interesting there's no wheezy-backports |
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| 16:50.43 | esu | i have a broadcom wireless card and when i try to install debian it says me it needs drivers. There's a debian image with these drivers builtin? |
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| 16:51.05 | jelly | dpkg, tell esu about firmware images |
| 16:51.22 | daimon | ctmjr? |
| 16:51.30 | todd___ | Can anyone tell me if, and in what version ships libpcre compiled with JIT support? (I have 12.04 installed and 14.04 installed, and JIT support is not present). |
| 16:51.31 | daimon | ctmjr ?? |
| 16:51.34 | jelly | esu: see the private message from dpkg bot |
| 16:51.49 | esu | jelly, thanks |
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| 16:53.28 | Dorfen | jelly: I mean, if I could add another mirror on a debian stable release wich has the newer packages that would be awesome since i have demands for gsoap, gsasl, php, etc etc. |
| 16:53.37 | ctmjr | daimon: if you mounted with mount and can access it. I have no idea what the problem is |
| 16:53.52 | daimon | <<<rewind |
| 16:53.57 | Tenkawa | daimon: whats the prob |
| 16:54.03 | daimon | the drive is mounted and parted |
| 16:54.06 | Tenkawa | i missed the beginning |
| 16:54.26 | daimon | it doesn't appear on LXDE's Openbox file manager |
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| 16:54.33 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 16:54.33 | daimon | on the IDE in other terms |
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| 16:54.48 | daimon | eh.. |
| 16:55.01 | Tenkawa | if you ooen up terminal and run "mount" |
| 16:55.09 | Tenkawa | whats its mountpoint? |
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| 16:55.26 | daimon | I have to type just mount? |
| 16:55.27 | Tenkawa | openbox may be filtering certain paths |
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| 16:55.38 | Tenkawa | daimon: to see where its mounted yes |
| 16:55.54 | daimon | I'll be back in a sec and let u kno |
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| 16:55.58 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 16:56.28 | Tenkawa | I'll be here..trying to get an EFI bootloader unscrambled |
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| 16:57.07 | Tenkawa | I am really really starting to dislike efi |
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| 16:58.19 | jelly | Dorfen: you won't find a good repo for newer php. (there's dotdeb but they have a history of issues) |
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| 16:58.38 | daimon | I'm here |
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| 16:58.45 | daimon | this is the mount output: |
| 16:58.48 | jelly | it's possible this is php's fault, not dotdeb's, by now |
| 16:58.54 | daimon | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 16:58.54 | daimon | proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 16:58.55 | daimon | udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=127932,mode=755) |
| 16:58.55 | daimon | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000) |
| 16:58.55 | daimon | tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=103384k,mode=755) |
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| 16:59.57 | Tenkawa | daimon: oops |
| 17:00.15 | Tenkawa | do you see the drive im the list of mountpoints though |
| 17:00.16 | daimon | sorry :P |
| 17:00.20 | Tenkawa | er in |
| 17:00.22 | daimon | here's the output |
| 17:00.23 | daimon | http://paste.debian.net/156447/ |
| 17:00.51 | Tenkawa | ok just a sec |
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| 17:01.28 | Tenkawa | is it the backup drive? |
| 17:01.51 | daimon | it's meant to be |
| 17:01.52 | Dorfen | jelly: I was thinking more like in terms of switching the apt-get resource i pull from now with something newer? Is that possible? |
| 17:02.01 | Tenkawa | if you do df does /backup (sdb1) look like the right size |
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| 17:02.28 | Tenkawa | if so do a ls -lad /backup and make sure the user you are trying to use has permissions to that tree |
| 17:03.16 | daimon | it's 775 |
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| 17:03.47 | Tenkawa | I imagine openbox is looking for it to be like /mnt/backup or some preset path |
| 17:03.48 | daimon | no sorry |
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| 17:03.53 | Tenkawa | I dont know openbox well |
| 17:03.57 | todd___ | how can I find out which version ships libpcre with JIT support enabled? I have 12.04 and 14.04 enabled and JIT support is missing (or where I can look to determine the answer) |
| 17:04.12 | daimon | 7-5-x |
| 17:04.21 | Tenkawa | hmmmm |
| 17:04.40 | daimon | I don't remember what number is x :P |
| 17:04.41 | Tenkawa | yeah if its not being seen in openbox only I'm not going to be much help |
| 17:04.41 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
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| 17:05.03 | daimon | thank you the same doc Tenkawa |
| 17:05.16 | daimon | but I think that the way is that |
| 17:05.17 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Is there a way that I can make Debian Installer load hpvsa driver? |
| 17:05.18 | daimon | the permission |
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| 17:05.33 | Tenkawa | yeah.. it gets a bit picky about those |
| 17:05.39 | daimon | I'll trying messing it up in thath way |
| 17:05.44 | Tenkawa | theres udev rules you might be able to put in place |
| 17:05.46 | daimon | ty |
| 17:05.49 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I want to install Ubuntu 14.04 LTS to HP Proliant ML310e G8 v2. |
| 17:05.52 | Tenkawa | no problem |
| 17:05.56 | daimon | udev? rules? |
| 17:06.11 | daimon | chmod in not enough? |
| 17:06.19 | Tenkawa | udev can automate it |
| 17:06.21 | delsol_ | OK, stupid question, Iâve got a raspberry Pi running raspian, Iâve got it auto booting into X, using fluxbox as my window manager. It isnât running the autostart stuff for fluxbox though. Normally Iâm used to slackware, so Iâm not exactly sure why its not running the autostart stuff for fluxbox. Any ideas? |
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| 17:09.56 | daimon | nothing with chmod |
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| 17:14.19 | Tenkawa | omg.. I may have gotten the efi to work |
| 17:14.32 | Tenkawa | hopes |
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| 17:15.05 | dokma | Ok, so I've got 3 SSD disks in a dedicated box. Do you guys think using two of them in RAID1 and the third for a backup for a web hosting box is a reasonable choice? |
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| 17:17.41 | Tenkawa | this will be so cool |
| 17:17.48 | zvz | Does anyone here use or play with the cwm (calm window manager)? |
| 17:17.55 | Tenkawa | use this + my debiam rpi2's :) |
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| 17:19.04 | Tenkawa | well I guess technically raspbian... |
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| 17:26.38 | Tenkawa | holy cow it worked |
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| 17:27.13 | Tenkawa | gotta find a few hardware drivers now though heheh |
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| 17:39.26 | lyft | hi, how to add user to sudoers? |
| 17:39.40 | valdyn | lyft: adduser username sudo |
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| 17:40.31 | lyft | thanks! |
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| 17:45.43 | Tenkawa | yay it worked!! |
| 17:45.51 | Tenkawa | my tablet is online |
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| 17:46.23 | Tenkawa | bbiaf |
| 17:46.28 | Marezz | Tenkawa, tablet running debian? |
| 17:46.41 | Tenkawa | Marezz: winbook tw100 |
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| 17:48.17 | Tenkawa | brb..switching machines |
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| 18:05.29 | corgisquidman | Is it possible to create a custom command (i.e. "myCommand parameter1 parameter2") to run a script that doesn't end in .sh on debian? |
| 18:05.34 | corgisquidman | I want to run a lua script with a command. |
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| 18:05.44 | Tenkawa | much better |
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| 18:09.40 | valdyn | corgisquidman: of course |
| 18:09.57 | valdyn | corgisquidman: .sh is for the user, the system does not care how you name the file |
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| 18:11.17 | corgisquidman | valdyn: so as long as it's in /usr/bin, it can be run by typing the filename? |
| 18:12.16 | valdyn | corgisquidman: files in /usr/bin/ get found automatically by default like that. That does *not* make it a good place to put your script into. |
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| 18:12.52 | polyphagia | corgisquidman: the directory has to be in the $PATH variable |
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| 18:12.58 | polyphagia | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.06 | polyphagia | and the file needs to be +x to run |
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| 18:14.03 | valdyn | corgisquidman: theres 2 decent places: /usr/local/bin/ (for all users) and ~/bin/ after you uncommented the relevant part in ~/.profile |
| 18:14.05 | corgisquidman | And it doesn't matter at all if it's a .lua script? It automatically knows that it's lua as long as I have the scripting language installed? |
| 18:14.18 | valdyn | corgisquidman: no |
| 18:14.25 | valdyn | !shebang |
| 18:14.25 | dpkg | from memory, shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 18:14.33 | valdyn | corgisquidman: ^^ |
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| 18:16.36 | corgisquidman | So what's the file extension of the script? |
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| 18:16.46 | valdyn | corgisquidman: the extension does not matter |
| 18:16.53 | corgisquidman | Ooooh, I see. |
| 18:17.04 | corgisquidman | Thank you <3 |
| 18:17.09 | valdyn | corgisquidman: unless you want to *user* of that program to see the extension, you dont need one |
| 18:17.23 | Tenkawa | gotta run.. bl |
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| 18:21.11 | xaro | Hey |
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| 18:23.59 | ponyofdeath | hi, what is a good way to remove all packages that are not part of a virtual package or manifest? |
| 18:24.10 | ponyofdeath | i want to get rid of x11 and such on a server |
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| 18:24.49 | polyphagia | hi xaro |
| 18:24.51 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 18:24.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
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| 18:24.59 | valdyn | ponyofdeath: ^^ |
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| 18:25.28 | ponyofdeath | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:25.54 | ponyofdeath | what about gcc |
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| 18:30.54 | n7alsk2 | hello. |
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| 18:31.01 | n7alsk2 | I'm running Debian on BeagleBone. When switching from dhcp to static ip address i'm left with the original dhcp allocation as a secondary ip address on the interface. Details here -- http://pastebin.com/5TV2n6b7 |
| 18:31.06 | n7alsk2 | any idea where I'm going wrong? |
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| 18:32.16 | Mousey | welcome back dondelelcaro! :D |
| 18:32.24 | n7alsk2 | also running # killall dhclient too. still I end up with dhcp address as secondary ip on the now static interface |
| 18:32.24 | Mousey | says randomly |
| 18:32.32 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 18:36.11 | Brigo | n7alsk2, weird, even with a dhclient running you should get the ip updated, not added. |
| 18:36.23 | n7alsk2 | i thought so too |
| 18:37.07 | Brigo | n7alsk2, may be this second address are configured in another config file |
| 18:37.11 | Brigo | just guessing |
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| 18:37.21 | n7alsk2 | i thought so too |
| 18:37.36 | n7alsk2 | but i've stopped wicd, and don't have network-manager installed. maybe there are more? |
| 18:37.44 | n7alsk2 | if i reboot - the dhcp address is fogotten |
| 18:37.49 | n7alsk2 | if i don't reboot, it stays |
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| 18:38.50 | n7alsk2 | i wanted to avoid using ioctls for this and lean on the /etc/network/interfaces, but i'm missing something - i just don't know debian well enough to work out what it is :( |
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| 18:39.17 | n7alsk2 | any pointers would be greatly appreciated |
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| 18:39.43 | Brigo | n7alsk2, i think this is not debian "feature", i have never seen that before. |
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| 18:40.16 | n7alsk2 | hmm understood, ok |
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| 18:40.31 | n7alsk2 | i suppose i should try and recreate this - not on the beaglebone black |
| 18:40.38 | n7alsk2 | to confirm |
| 18:40.45 | Tenkawa | well.. debian on a winbook tw100 runs pretty nice so far |
| 18:40.49 | n7alsk2 | \ isolate |
| 18:41.00 | Tenkawa | n7alsk2: whats happening? |
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| 18:41.13 | Tenkawa | has a bbb and some other arm hw |
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| 18:41.30 | n7alsk2 | Tenkawa: <n7alsk2> I'm running Debian on BeagleBone. When switching from dhcp to static ip address i'm left with the original dhcp allocation as a secondary ip address on the interface. Details here -- http://pastebin.com/5TV2n6b7 |
| 18:41.43 | Tenkawa | intriguing |
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| 18:42.23 | Brigo | actually i thought you cannot have several ips in a ipv4 interface. |
| 18:42.25 | n7alsk2 | but i've stopped wicd, and don't have network-manager installed. i've also tried # killall dhclient |
| 18:42.45 | n7alsk2 | (re-summarising from before you joined) |
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| 18:42.59 | Brigo | n7alsk2, and then ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
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| 18:43.31 | n7alsk2 | actually i've tried a few more than this; |
| 18:43.34 | n7alsk2 | ip addr flush dev eth0 |
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| 18:43.44 | Tenkawa | Brigo: at all or just with wicd (the severa ip addrs) |
| 18:43.46 | n7alsk2 | ipconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:43.59 | Brigo | at alll |
| 18:44.02 | Brigo | all* |
| 18:44.03 | Tenkawa | Brigo: ipv4 can multi ip an interface easily |
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| 18:44.16 | Tenkawa | eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
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| 18:44.47 | n7alsk2 | ye, not working with subinterfaces mind |
| 18:44.49 | Brigo | Tenkawa, with virtual interfaces, yes, but i am talking about without them, like here. |
| 18:44.50 | n7alsk2 | so this is new on me too |
| 18:45.13 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 18:45.23 | n7alsk2 | i'll probably spin up a debian vm and try to recreate away from the bbb |
| 18:45.44 | n7alsk2 | just saying this is unexpected behaviour is a nice kick in the right direction for me |
| 18:45.46 | n7alsk2 | cheers gents |
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| 18:46.01 | Tenkawa | I need to piece together this machine I am working on so I can figure out how to sdio firmware to it |
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| 18:47.25 | Tenkawa | once i can figure out what intel was using in here |
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| 18:49.43 | hassoon | how to install my atheros AR9565 wireless network driver |
| 18:49.54 | hassoon | i couldn't find the soli=ution in the debian wikia |
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| 18:51.56 | centrx | hassoon, It should be in the kernel |
| 18:52.02 | centrx | hassoon, If it's not, try using the kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 18:52.22 | SynrG | some atheros chipsets need firmware. can't remember if that's one or not ... |
| 18:53.17 | SynrG | hm. i don't think it is |
| 18:53.19 | hassoon | in many forums i have read it's related to the fact that the debian wheezy's kernel is kinda old for that |
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| 18:53.31 | SynrG | then use backports |
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| 18:53.33 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 18:53.34 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 18:55.19 | hassoon | SynrG: I added the line deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free in sources.list, did apt-get update, then installed firmware-atheros firmware-linux-free |
| 18:55.28 | hassoon | but i didn't get something :> |
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| 18:56.10 | SynrG | that's not how backports work. and as i said, i don't think it needs the firmware |
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| 18:56.39 | hassoon | ah |
| 18:56.54 | SynrG | as per the instructions above, "-t wheezy-backports" is needed |
| 18:57.10 | SynrG | it's by design that you don't automatically get upgraded to everything in backports |
| 18:57.17 | SynrG | you pick and choose the backports you wish to install |
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| 18:57.33 | SynrG | the suggestion is just that you install the backports *kernel* |
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| 18:57.57 | SynrG | if you already use firmware, it would be good to upgrade that to a matching version too |
| 18:58.11 | SynrG | if you don't already use firmware, you probably don't need it |
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| 18:58.47 | hassoon | SynrG: alright, i'll go on with that |
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| 18:59.56 | kalloc | hi, i need advice about dpkg |
| 19:00.41 | kalloc | ls -al /etc/ppp/ip-up |
| 19:00.43 | kalloc | ls: cannot access /etc/ppp/ip-up: No such file or directory |
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| 19:01.23 | kalloc | apt-get install --reinstall ppp -> Setting up ppp (2.4.5-5.1+deb7u1) ... |
| 19:01.50 | kalloc | ip-up not found too |
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| 19:02.01 | SynrG | kalloc: dpkg respects your right to remove conffiles |
| 19:02.16 | SynrG | if you removed it, it won't bring it back because clearly you *wanted* it gone |
| 19:02.27 | SynrG | to bring it back would be contrary to your intentions |
| 19:02.30 | kalloc | I didn't remove this file |
| 19:02.36 | SynrG | dpkg thinks you did |
| 19:02.37 | dpkg | SynrG: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:02.57 | SynrG | a --reinstall is not equivalent to a purge and install |
| 19:03.09 | SynrG | it's like an upgrade in which the version# doesn't change |
| 19:03.10 | kalloc | I have my files in /etc/ppp |
| 19:03.20 | SynrG | save them first? |
| 19:03.34 | SynrG | then purge, then install, then put back any files that are "precious |
| 19:03.51 | SynrG | that should bring back /etc/ppp/ip-up |
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| 19:11.36 | arksi | precccciousss |
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| 19:15.57 | bramgg | Why does "xrdb ~/.Xresources" at the bottom of my .xinitrc do nothing? I have to manually enter it myself after I start X. |
| 19:16.18 | bramgg | It also works in my .bashrc, but it seems overboard to run it EVERY time I open a terminal |
| 19:16.41 | dondelelcaro | bramgg: show us your .xinitrc |
| 19:17.13 | bramgg | dondelelcaro: exec herbstluftwm --locked \n xrdb ~/.Xresources |
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| 19:17.18 | bramgg | I'm a simple man |
| 19:17.22 | polyphagia | i'm guessing it's because it's waiting for the the line above it to finish |
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| 19:17.23 | dondelelcaro | bramgg: yep; that's your problem. |
| 19:17.29 | dondelelcaro | bramgg: you want to reverse those two lines |
| 19:17.35 | polyphagia | :P |
| 19:17.53 | bramgg | ah thanks, does the above command not exit until herbstluftwm is shut down or something? |
| 19:17.58 | dondelelcaro | bramgg: nothing after an exec will happen in the shell |
| 19:18.17 | polyphagia | yeah bramgg |
| 19:18.18 | dondelelcaro | bramgg: no, it won't ever run at all. exec replaces the currently running proces with the next one |
| 19:18.22 | polyphagia | o |
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| 19:19.14 | polyphagia | makes sense |
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| 19:20.30 | dondelelcaro | bramgg: for the full details, man bash; (or whatever your shell is) and read about exec in the BUILTINS section. |
| 19:20.31 | bramgg | Wait.. do you mean the process that is running .xinitrc is replaced with "herbstluftwm --locked"? |
| 19:20.37 | dondelelcaro | bramgg: yes. |
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| 19:20.39 | bramgg | thanks |
| 19:21.11 | dondelelcaro | that's how all exec works; to spam new processes, you actually fork(), then exec() |
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| 19:27.45 | arksi | to fork and detach from parent, you can do: (setsid some_program &) |
| 19:28.09 | arksi | the parens make it execute in subshell, the & makes it run in the background, the setsid makes it detatch from parent process group |
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| 19:29.09 | arksi | a lazy way to make program run like a daemon |
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| 19:31.48 | arksi | ls: cannot access /dev/tcp: No such file or directory |
| 19:32.00 | arksi | but I am sure there used to be such a thing... |
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| 19:34.30 | pardelkat | Is there a command to remove audio from a webm in debian? |
| 19:34.50 | valdyn | pardelkat: isnt webm a codec? |
| 19:34.55 | AndreeeCZ | hi! Im configuring lamp and as per wiki instructions: "Create directory as user (not as root): ", my question is what user?? |
| 19:35.26 | pardelkat | valdyn: i don't know it's like a filetype that's a mix of a video and a gif |
| 19:35.35 | pardelkat | I just want to remove the audio from it |
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| 19:35.41 | valdyn | pardelkat: nm, its really a container, so your question is valid as it is |
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| 19:36.19 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
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| 19:37.02 | jamesbond-4711 | gibt es die bei Heise gestern bereits beschriebenen, kritischen Sicherheits-Updates für php5 (http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Wichtige-Sicherheitsupdates-fuer-PHP-2557586.html) noch nicht für Debian 7? |
| 19:37.21 | Brigo | jamesbond-4711, german? |
| 19:37.54 | jamesbond-4711 | Brigo: yes, sorry :-) |
| 19:38.05 | Brigo | !german |
| 19:38.05 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 19:38.10 | Brigo | jamesbond-4711, np :) |
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| 19:38.42 | jamesbond-4711 | I wanted to say: are the critical sercurity updates for php5 mentioned yesterday on Heise.de (http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Wichtige-Sicherheitsupdates-fuer-PHP-2557586.html) not yet available for debian 7? |
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| 19:39.29 | valdyn | pardelkat: avconf lets you create the webm target, but i dont yet see a tool that lets you demux the source |
| 19:39.39 | valdyn | pardelkat: *avconv* even |
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| 19:40.25 | valdyn | pardelkat: i think mkvtoolnix might be able to |
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| 19:42.12 | valdyn | pardelkat: ok - install mkvtoolnix-gui, run "mmg" and try |
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| 19:42.47 | pardelkat | brb |
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| 19:43.49 | bramgg | If I rename a binary installed with apt will I have problems updating/uninstalling it in the future? |
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| 19:43.59 | valdyn | bramgg: of course |
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| 19:44.34 | bramgg | okay, thanks. symlink it is. |
| 19:44.45 | valdyn | bramgg: the renamed file is no longer tracked by apt if its a normal file, config files are different |
| 19:44.53 | greycat | if you rename a non-config file (e.g. a program), I believe the next update will simply drop the new version of the program in the original place, and then you'll have both your renamed old version, and the normally-named new version |
| 19:45.08 | greycat | with config files it's MUCH worse |
| 19:45.21 | bramgg | yeah, it's the nodejs binary. Thanks. |
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| 19:47.54 | ChokoIt | we are trying something new tonight |
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| 19:48.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought you looked familiar. |
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| 20:04.24 | bynarie | is ubuntu fully compatible with debian? |
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| 20:05.25 | valdyn | parsnip: hmm, really simple, it should be: "avconv -i film.webm -an -vcodec copy new.webm". Didnt try it yet, because i dont have an actual webm file. |
| 20:05.43 | centrx | bynarie, How do you mean? |
| 20:05.48 | valdyn | parsnip: wrong target, he's gone |
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| 20:06.38 | bynarie | centrx, well i know ubuntu is a debian base distro, so im wondering, in general, would all the commands that apply to debian also apply to ubuntu.. i bought a debian book but im running ubuntu.. would this be ok? |
| 20:06.42 | hassoon | i just installed debian from net-install without the desktop environment, then installed xinit and i3 |
| 20:07.16 | hassoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.32 | hassoon | eeverythin seems to be basic and minimalist |
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| 20:08.05 | centrx | hassoon, Yes all the commands are the same, there may be some programs on Debian or on Ubuntu that are not on the other |
| 20:08.16 | centrx | *but |
| 20:08.29 | ScottE | bynarie: you'll be fine |
| 20:08.44 | bynarie | centrx, wrong person... but thank you.. and i just meant, IN GENERAL are both of them about the same as far as command line.. etc |
| 20:08.55 | hassoon | centrx: sorry how can your statement be relevant to mine |
| 20:09.01 | centrx | hassoon, sorry wrong person |
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| 20:09.03 | hassoon | mine/my question |
| 20:09.07 | hassoon | centrx: Alright. |
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| 20:09.22 | valdyn | bynarie: pretty much yes |
| 20:09.34 | bynarie | ScottE, thanks... im not a linux guru and i prefer debian based distros but ubuntu just seems a bit more beginner friendly. would u agree? |
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| 20:10.18 | bynarie | seems like ubuntu comes with more stuff working straight out of the box than debian does.. on the downside however, i think debian probably is the better distro |
| 20:10.31 | deego | bynarie: i'd agree with both, yeah |
| 20:10.42 | deego | but i'm off atm |
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| 20:10.48 | ScottE | bynarie: I don't think base debian is any "harder" than ubuntu personally, but as far as your questions about commands being the same, or using a debian book on ubuntu - you'll be just fine there |
| 20:10.49 | bynarie | ubuntu almost seems bloated in a way |
| 20:10.51 | valdyn | bynarie: when the defaults get in your way instead of providing a "beginner friendly" starting point, then ubuntu is still probably more friendly to you |
| 20:11.07 | valdyn | bynarie: when the defaults get in your way instead of providing a "beginner friendly" starting point, then ubuntu *not* *anymore* good for you |
| 20:11.17 | valdyn | (i got the first one exactly wrong) |
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| 20:11.21 | rtur | hassoon: i3 is a window manager, if you want profiles and other fancy stuff you need a Desktop Environment. But xterm transparency can still be enabled, should be ammong the first hits on google. |
| 20:11.50 | rtur | hassoon: or man xterm ;) |
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| 20:12.19 | bynarie | valdyn, i cant quite interpret what u are saying? that both of them are the same in a "beginners starting point sense"? |
| 20:12.49 | bynarie | eitherway deego, ScottE valdyn centrx , i appreciate your guys' input |
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| 20:13.15 | valdyn | bynarie: ubuntu provides nice looking defaults - if those are looking good to you, then ubuntu is more friendly to you than debian |
| 20:13.37 | valdyn | bynarie: if the first you do in ubuntu is remove gnome3 and install something else, then debian is certainly better |
| 20:13.43 | hassoon | rtur: ah so i don't need to install a DE like KDE or GNOME3 then install i3wm to use i3 with fancy graphics? |
| 20:13.48 | bynarie | valdyn, ah i see ur point now.. u are saying its basically "opinion" based |
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| 20:14.19 | bynarie | valdyn, i dont use ubuntu unity.. i actually use XFCE because i cant stand gnome3.. its terrible |
| 20:14.26 | valdyn | bynarie: yes, in a way |
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| 20:14.38 | rtur | hassoon: I don't follow. What and how are you trying to achieve ? |
| 20:15.00 | valdyn | bynarie: if you want to customise everything anyway, then ubuntu doesnt help you |
| 20:15.12 | valdyn | bynarie: but then again you could use xubuntu for xfce |
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| 20:15.33 | bynarie | valdyn, yea thats what i mean.. xubuntu |
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| 20:16.03 | valdyn | bynarie: now if youre an old fart, there wont be a distro with defaults you like, then you would be better off with just debian |
| 20:16.08 | bynarie | i guess a good way to ask is, is it the same under the hood |
| 20:16.19 | bynarie | LoL |
| 20:16.30 | bynarie | well, im 29 valdyn, my kids say im an old fat =] |
| 20:16.32 | bynarie | fart* |
| 20:16.55 | valdyn | bynarie: i mean experienced rather than actual age |
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| 20:18.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you have kids old enough to say things, you might be an old fart :P |
| 20:18.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | or at least that's half my reason for not having kids :P |
| 20:18.46 | hassoon | rtur: I just installed debian from netboot-install, and after checking everything except the DE, I found myself in the end in tty mode with minimalist functionalitie,s i even had t install xinit (and i3) to use the i3wm |
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| 20:19.17 | hassoon | rtur: anyway, i thought i'll get those helpful transparency and graphical effects in i3 |
| 20:19.39 | hassoon | of course i want to use i3, not a fully featured DE |
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| 20:20.06 | valdyn | hassoon: helpful? transparent windows? for what? |
| 20:20.19 | rtur | hasson: for all windows of all applications ? |
| 20:20.32 | hassoon | rtur: transparancy in the konsole for example |
| 20:20.39 | hassoon | valdyn: ^ :p |
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| 20:20.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | can't you just run to root window to always be on top? :P |
| 20:20.54 | Chakka____ | HEY DEBIAN 8 JESSIE DUDES: Your RC1 installer and current state of the build are pretty damn good. Nice work! |
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| 20:21.25 | Chakka____ | and DUDETTES too |
| 20:21.53 | hassoon | MrsSavage: DrSavage MrsSavage lmfao..what are you up to dude.. |
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| 20:22.25 | rtur | hasson: then you have to configure it for the terminal itself, it's not something i3 does for you (neither would a DE I think) . |
| 20:22.34 | teraflop | hassoon: I wonder how can be helpful transparency and grapfical effects on i3? |
| 20:22.39 | hassoon | rtur: I see, clearly understood |
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| 20:22.58 | hassoon | teraflop: I feel much more comfortable with them enabled around |
| 20:23.11 | bynarie | thanks for the help valdyn |
| 20:23.35 | hassoon | omg..been downloading things from the repositories at like 100-150 kbs |
| 20:23.44 | hassoon | while my downstream is about 2 mbs |
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| 20:24.19 | hassoon | rtur: is it same for the zoom in/out in xterm ? |
| 20:25.03 | hassoon | oh wait..there i konsole as a whole package.. |
| 20:25.14 | hassoon | i could have been using that heh ? |
| 20:25.33 | rtur | hassoon: I never used xterm, but a quick google search says it is . |
| 20:25.48 | ScottE | hassoon: konsole is for KDE, unless you are using KDE that's a lot (100's of MB?) of dependencies. Try something like rxvt-unicode |
| 20:25.51 | rtur | hassoon: just do echo $TERM and you see the name |
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| 20:26.10 | hassoon | ScottE: ah i see |
| 20:26.58 | ScottE | hassoon: rxvt works great in i3 and the manpage for rxvt claims to support transparency (but I don't use that, so I can't speak to it) |
| 20:28.07 | hassoon | ScottE: what do you use :> |
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| 20:28.18 | ScottE | i3 and rxvt-unicode if you didn't guess |
| 20:28.37 | hassoon | you said you don'tuse that |
| 20:28.47 | ScottE | hassoon: I don't use transparency |
| 20:29.12 | hassoon | ScottE: Ah, I see. |
| 20:29.16 | hassoon | ScottE: Thanks. |
| 20:29.27 | ScottE | Sure hassoon |
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| 20:44.50 | zlude | Hello! I need to use delldset_v2.1.0.112_A00.bin but it's work just on RHEL OS's, can i run it on Debian using something? someone can help me? |
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| 20:49.36 | komanda3 | E: Unable to locate package zmap |
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| 20:56.06 | pardelkat | Whoever said they hoped I'd like debian yesterday, I tried it out for a few hours, and I'm switching to Debian in a few days. Never going back to Windows. |
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| 20:56.15 | pardelkat | <3 |
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| 20:57.23 | dashs | Is there an official dkms route to provide nvidia support for the rt kernel? |
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| 20:57.34 | minibar | Error: Unable to set up server: sqlite3_statement_backend::prepare: unable to open database file for SQL: PRAGMA cache_size=4000 |
| 20:57.35 | minibar | hello |
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| 20:57.51 | minibar | I got this as a normal user, but it works fine if I run it as root |
| 20:57.56 | minibar | Plex Media Server I mean |
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| 20:58.09 | minibar | supposed I need to change some permissions, but where? |
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| 21:01.16 | zeitsofa | hello guys. i only have a shot question: everytime I boot my debian system (stable and testing same same) this message appears "mce: Unable to init device /dev/mcelog". trying google does not really help, because there a lot of bug entries available with dmesg posting and same line inside. it is a critical warning (system seems to be rund normally) or more like a information? |
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| 21:01.29 | Komanda | E: Unable to locate package zmap |
| 21:01.56 | bazhang | ,v zmap |
| 21:01.57 | judd | Package: zmap on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.1-1; sid: 1.2.1-1 |
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| 21:03.44 | bazhang | Komanda, do you have that repo enabled? |
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| 21:04.14 | pardelkat | I wasn't able to download packages for days and I was so baffled at first and then I realized I had no internet at installation |
| 21:04.19 | pardelkat | so I had no repos in my config |
| 21:04.20 | pardelkat | lmao |
| 21:05.14 | Komanda | judd: got it from weezy backports thanks |
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| 21:05.30 | Komanda | judd: what command did you use to gat that information? |
| 21:05.33 | Komanda | get* |
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| 21:06.18 | greycat | judd is a bot |
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| 21:06.22 | ctmjr | Komanda: judd is a bot |
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| 21:07.07 | dondelelcaro | Komanda: you can get it from the command line using rmadison |
| 21:07.12 | dondelelcaro | Komanda: so rmadison zmap; |
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| 21:10.37 | Komanda | dondelelcaro: thanks <3 |
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| 21:12.24 | Komanda | E: Unable to locate package rmadison |
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| 21:12.28 | Komanda | fuck my life |
| 21:12.47 | greycat | apt-cache search rmadison -> it's in devscripts |
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| 21:13.08 | greycat | ... man, he gave up much too quickly |
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| 21:13.30 | mutex | so I'm creating a preseed installer and I am having some trouble with the network driver load order |
| 21:13.41 | mutex | I have 4 network interfaces two, gbe and two ixgbe |
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| 21:14.05 | mutex | the installer loads the interfaces like this for no apparent reason: eth0 - gbe, eth1 - ixgbe, eth2 -ixgbe, eth3 -gbe |
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| 21:14.41 | mutex | even though these devices are all 'two interfaces on one chipset' |
| 21:14.44 | mutex | not spearate cards |
| 21:15.03 | mutex | any ideas how I can get them to load it eth0 -gbe, eth1 -gbe, eth2 - ixgbe, eth3 - ixgbe ? |
| 21:15.41 | greycat | mutex: I believe it will have written some stuff in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules but I don't know whether it's safe to edit it by hand |
| 21:16.02 | greycat | and I don't know how that will change in jessie with systemd |
| 21:16.12 | mutex | I'm going to ignore systemd for now |
| 21:16.17 | mutex | i'm working with wheezy |
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| 21:16.20 | mutex | I know about persistent net rules |
| 21:16.38 | mutex | but it seems like there should be a way to tell teh installer how I want things to work |
| 21:16.41 | mutex | during the install even |
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| 21:18.21 | TJ- | mutex: I think it depends on the kernel's device detection order, which can run in parallel for different device drivers |
| 21:19.13 | mutex | TJ-: hrm, not driver load order ? |
| 21:19.19 | mutex | seems werid to interlace the names |
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| 21:22.35 | TJ- | mutex: chipset_0->device_0 = gbe. By the time chipset_0->device_1 is iterated chipset_1->device_0 = ixgbe has been processed |
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| 21:29.01 | lexvegas | is there a better way to do persistant iptables than to have a iptables-restore in if-up.d ? |
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| 21:29.35 | mutex | TJ-: no way to get that to happen serially I suppose |
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| 21:31.04 | greycat | mutex: is there any real reason for this, or just "I don't like it"? |
| 21:31.11 | ildefonso | lexvegas, actually, I would add it to "interfaces", on the corresponding interface, otherwise it may get called multiple times for different network interfaces. |
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| 21:34.18 | srg | lexvegas: Is the iptables-persistant package what you wanna do? |
| 21:34.23 | mutex | greycat: umm yeah because I actually have complex networks setup on specific interfaces |
| 21:34.44 | mutex | I would like to be able to make sure I have things setup in a predictable fasion |
| 21:34.47 | mutex | *fashion |
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| 21:35.09 | mutex | this is basically a feature of timing inside the kernel |
| 21:35.10 | greycat | So it's not the interleaving that's the problem. You want bge-0 to be eth0 and so on because you have config files that hard-code those names? |
| 21:35.19 | mutex | no it's all configurable |
| 21:35.32 | mutex | it is the interleaving in that... I don't want to rely on a timing issue |
| 21:35.37 | mutex | I want to be deterministic |
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| 21:36.21 | squisher | hi, does anyone know why https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0273 hasn't prompted any security updates yet? |
| 21:36.37 | greycat | well, asking for the installer to probe devices in a specific way is probably a question for the installer's IRC channel |
| 21:36.59 | jhutchins | mutex: Once an interfaces is detected and recorded in the udev rule it should get the same name every time, you're worried about consistency across multiple builds? |
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| 21:37.24 | srg | How can I override my dhcp server's DNS servers and "search" options in resolv.conf? |
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| 21:37.58 | mutex | jhutchins: yeah I know, but it would be easier if I could just specify how I want it to work ahead of time instead of having the kernel perform it's arbitrary method |
| 21:38.12 | mutex | but all this sounds like there is not a straight forward way |
| 21:38.22 | mutex | so I'll just go build it into my deployment code |
| 21:38.40 | greycat | srg: my preferred way is to remove the line that contains "domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name," from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. Then bring the interface down and up again before modifying resolv.conf for the final time, or else you'll lose your changes the next time it re-checks the DHCP server. |
| 21:39.16 | greycat | (because the already-running dhclient has that config file cached in memory) |
| 21:39.26 | srg | ah ok, so removing those lines will prevent the dhcp client from even requesting that information from the dhcp server, thus it wont overwrite resolv.conf? |
| 21:39.52 | greycat | yeah |
| 21:40.08 | dondelelcaro | squisher: dunno, but there doesn't appear to be a bug open for it. feel free to jump in and help; I know PHP gets scads of CVEs |
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| 21:40.38 | srg | thanks greycat |
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| 21:45.07 | TJ- | mutex: I seem to recall the initrd for the installer can/did/once-upon-a-time provide a kernel command-line parameter to influence the device naming. But since biosdevname and other schemes that hasn't been necessary |
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| 22:01.04 | squisher | dondelelcaro, I'll see what I can do |
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| 22:18.04 | acz32 | does anyone know how ot block a specific program from internet access in ufw? |
| 22:18.21 | acz32 | or any debian software |
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| 22:25.09 | armin | acz32: you should have a look at "ferm". |
| 22:26.13 | armin | acz32: also you should get a basic understanding of iptables, and consider using zsh/bash to play around with iptables rules because those have completion for it (if you properly configure it, that is). |
| 22:26.47 | armin | acz32: hope that helps. |
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| 22:28.51 | acz32 | armin: i will look into it. bash had completion for IP tables rules? are you sure? |
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| 22:32.24 | armin | acid ~ # iptables -- |
| 22:32.25 | armin | --append --exact --insert --match --out-interface --rename-chain --table |
| 22:32.27 | armin | --delete --flush --jump --modprobe --policy --replace --verbose |
| 22:32.29 | armin | --delete-chain --fragment --line-numbers --new --proto --set-counters --version |
| 22:32.31 | armin | --destination --in-interface --list --numeric --protocol --source --zero |
| 22:32.33 | armin | acid ~ # |
| 22:32.35 | armin | acz32: seems so. |
| 22:32.47 | themill | no need to flood... |
| 22:32.48 | armin | acz32: i have the "bash-completion" package installed, though, no idea if it defines that. |
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| 22:33.31 | armin | themill: there's noone speaking meanwhile for almost 30mins so i thought i wouldn't have to use a pastebin for 8 lines, but i will do so next time. |
| 22:33.51 | themill | There's no need to paste that at all, actually. |
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| 22:34.25 | acz32 | armin: thank you |
| 22:34.29 | armin | themill: that's a very vague statement as long as it might help people. |
| 22:34.58 | armin | acz32: you're welcome. if you have questions for ferm, don't hesitate to ask. |
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| 22:36.15 | armin | acz32: also if you're stuck on initially setting up zsh, feel free to bother me. |
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| 22:44.05 | chrislamp | hello guys! |
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| 22:45.00 | chrislamp | i have a problem with core dumps. i have succeded to get coredumps from any program that segfaults |
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| 22:45.59 | chrislamp | but when vlc crashes i look in /var/log/messages and i see that libav has segfaulted but i get no core file |
| 22:46.08 | chrislamp | are you suspect something? |
| 22:46.44 | squisher | chrislamp, are you sure that core dumps are enabled for that session that starts vlc? e.g. your DE |
| 22:47.14 | chrislamp | yes of course! |
| 22:47.18 | acz32 | armin: did you make your own .zshrc or use something like ohmyzsh? |
| 22:47.32 | chrislamp | i have set "unlimited" to * and also to root |
| 22:47.34 | squisher | acz32, the grml guys also publish theyr zsh config |
| 22:47.37 | chrislamp | in limits.conf |
| 22:47.53 | squisher | chrislamp, cwd not writable for the user maybe? |
| 22:48.01 | acz32 | squisher: cool. so what's the purpose of ohmyzsh? |
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| 22:48.33 | squisher | irg, s/theyr/their/... acz32, it's just a nice featureful configuration that someone published afaik |
| 22:49.15 | chrislamp | the vlc runs as "chris" user as it cannot run as root |
| 22:50.07 | chrislamp | and in every program i get cores they put to my home directory |
| 22:50.24 | chrislamp | so i expected the vlc to dumps in my home directory |
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| 22:50.38 | squisher | I think that depends on how you start vlc |
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| 22:51.06 | chrislamp | i start it from gnome menu |
| 22:51.10 | chrislamp | as any other program |
| 22:51.53 | chrislamp | so there is no other configuration that prevents the cores eh? |
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| 22:52.19 | chrislamp | i searched all the internet but all they say about limits.conf :( |
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| 23:00.45 | EyeOfMidas | I am trying to build and install a shared library. I read that pkg-config was the way to get that library "installed" so you don't have to manually include it in make files. But I can't seem to get it to work. |
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| 23:02.41 | x86iac | what library? |
| 23:02.45 | Brigo | EyeOfMidas, if you don't get an answer, try debian-mentors in oftc network. |
| 23:03.15 | snima | I should install a software in comand line and it take a lot of time. For installation I have some commands. How I can made a GUI installer that do this commands? |
| 23:03.26 | snima | Is there any solution? |
| 23:03.56 | nkuttler | snima: sure, you can write any gui app you like |
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| 23:04.14 | snima | I want to do the installation process automatically. |
| 23:04.18 | nkuttler | snima: pick your favorite language, and look for qt or gnome bindings |
| 23:04.28 | EyeOfMidas | @Brigo oftc network? |
| 23:04.40 | nkuttler | !tell EyeOfMidas about oftc |
| 23:05.01 | Brigo | yes is the network where the official debian channels are. |
| 23:05.16 | snima | nkuttler: Can I use terminal commands in qt? |
| 23:05.28 | nkuttler | snima: certainly.. |
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| 23:05.46 | nkuttler | snima: but maybe you should just write a dumb script you double click.. |
| 23:05.59 | snima | nkuttler: what I should search in google ? |
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| 23:06.10 | beepie | does the second click for Anonymous |
| 23:06.15 | beepie | click |
| 23:06.16 | nkuttler | snima: which languages do you know? |
| 23:06.20 | snima | c++ |
| 23:06.28 | beepie | snima, yeah.. what languages you know! mwharahahra |
| 23:06.38 | nkuttler | snima: qt development sounds like a good start.. |
| 23:08.12 | snima | nkuttler: during the installation I shoud add path to .bashrc + take some character from user and paste in te default installation of the software. |
| 23:08.28 | nkuttler | snima: what? |
| 23:08.32 | snima | exaclty I want to made a gue for thar installer |
| 23:08.45 | beepie | chrislamp, sounds like you're trying to set more realtime for audio applications.. there's good guides on that |
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| 23:08.56 | nkuttler | snima: you should not touch files in the user's dir.. |
| 23:09.17 | nkuttler | snima: is this some homework assignment, or..? |
| 23:09.20 | beepie | snima, if you know c++, why are you adding shtuff to .bashrc ? |
| 23:09.39 | beepie | nkuttler, sounds like lol |
| 23:09.41 | nkuttler | his specs probably say the install dir is not on the default PATH or something.. |
| 23:09.42 | SynrG | this has veered considerably off-topic for debian support. |
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| 23:09.55 | un214 | I'm not too sure SynrG |
| 23:10.06 | un214 | if he ships it you might have to contend anyway |
| 23:10.14 | snima | nkuttler: no. I just did it a lot of time |
| 23:10.24 | beepie | "I should install a software in comand line and it take a lot of time. For installation I have some commands. How I can made a GUI installer that do this commands?" |
| 23:10.27 | un214 | however, adding anything to .bashrc by a package is a truly terrible bad diea |
| 23:10.31 | beepie | for debian-compatible .debs |
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| 23:10.48 | SynrG | as much as i agree it sounds atrocious, we have to stop the "someone is wrong on the internet" now |
| 23:10.49 | nkuttler | snima: i mean, i just use saltstack for such things.. |
| 23:10.54 | SynrG | back to debian support, please |
| 23:10.54 | beepie | there's "gdebi" which if associated with your desktop's file manager, will show a gui pop-up when you double-click the .deb :) |
| 23:10.58 | beepie | snima, ^ |
| 23:11.34 | snima | ok |
| 23:11.36 | snima | tnx |
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| 23:14.35 | unicodesnowman | un214, jessie is sadly built on truly terrible bad ideas :| |
| 23:15.10 | un214 | that may well be, we shall see |
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| 23:17.10 | chrislamp | one of bad ideas is systemd? |
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| 23:25.35 | stylica | systemd!!! |
| 23:25.38 | stylica | and udev |
| 23:25.59 | stylica | I heard devuan is planned to be a jessie drop in replacement. |
| 23:26.08 | stylica | So one can dist-upgrade from wheezy to devuan. |
| 23:26.11 | stylica | And no systemd |
| 23:26.37 | themill | You can already upgrade from wheezy to jessie and not have systemd. |
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| 23:27.19 | x86iac | stylica: and selinux |
| 23:27.44 | stylica | yes, selinux pukes |
| 23:27.49 | un214 | themill: true. that's why I stayed |
| 23:27.53 | stylica | aha |
| 23:27.58 | stylica | themill: but why is there devuan then? |
| 23:28.06 | hassoon | what do I need to do to have this xrand work and configure my dual display setup successfully? typing xrander *; raises this error everytime xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 23:28.13 | SynrG | why not ask #devuan why there is devuan? |
| 23:28.15 | themill | stylica: you'd have to ask them that. Noone in Debian is quite sure. |
| 23:28.17 | hassoon | *xrandr * |
| 23:28.21 | un214 | because gnome took a hard depend on systemd |
| 23:28.25 | un214 | I don't have gnome |
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| 23:28.29 | themill | un214: it does not. |
| 23:28.39 | SynrG | i assumed it's the usual reason for making a deriv: "because we can" |
| 23:28.45 | un214 | oh they must have fixed that since |
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| 23:28.50 | stylica | hm |
| 23:28.58 | themill | stylica: There's a strong /. and reddit effect in all this. There seems to be no room for truth in any discussions about systemd. |
| 23:29.15 | stylica | the devuan devs say the problem is that systemd will require more and more components to be systemd-ified. And this should be prevented from the start on. |
| 23:29.37 | themill | Here, have my tinfoil hat. |
| 23:30.08 | un214 | if they're willing to go to that much effort it might have been better to strike a deal with them |
| 23:30.11 | un214 | but oh well |
| 23:30.26 | dondelelcaro | devuan isn't on topic here; they have their own channels |
| 23:30.34 | stylica | I haven't started this! |
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| 23:31.12 | Tenkawa | yay |
| 23:31.17 | Tenkawa | debian on my winbook |
| 23:31.23 | stylica | good! |
| 23:31.23 | Tenkawa | working nicely too |
| 23:31.23 | pardelkat2 | Tenkawa: winbook? |
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| 23:31.26 | stylica | you cured it |
| 23:31.30 | Tenkawa | winbook tw100 |
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| 23:31.35 | Tenkawa | microcenter brand |
| 23:31.37 | pardelkat2 | oh |
| 23:31.51 | stylica | Let's cure more notebooks and put linux on them. |
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| 23:31.58 | pardelkat2 | Every computer from now on I'm installing debian on. |
| 23:31.59 | x86iac | Tenkawa: i have debian squeeze on my toaster - i think i win |
| 23:32.05 | pardelkat2 | I fell in love with debian today <3 |
| 23:32.13 | Tenkawa | baytrail cpu so it had a 32 bit efi on it |
| 23:32.34 | Tenkawa | that was causing some initial install grief |
| 23:32.35 | themill | Tenkawa: so the jessie rc1 installer worked fine on that? |
| 23:32.50 | un214 | I have no CPU on my toaster |
| 23:32.53 | stylica | Latency check: I find devuan will replace debian. |
| 23:32.55 | Tenkawa | themill: with adding the 32 bit efi to the image yes |
| 23:33.08 | x86iac | the toast is still burnt but hey the error shows up in a log |
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| 23:33.41 | Tenkawa | after I get all the kernel stuff updated I'm going to try to get 64 bit kernel then userland on here |
| 23:33.57 | Tenkawa | this thing is fast |
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| 23:33.57 | x86iac | you've heard of 'off by 1' errors? something in my toaster is off by 60degrees |
| 23:34.13 | Tenkawa | faster than I thought it would be |
| 23:34.15 | stylica | I just asked in #devuan, they told me that there is a transition plan in place for debian going full systemd. |
| 23:34.58 | un214 | I feel a far nastier penalty should be exacted for that one |
| 23:35.08 | themill | stylica: [citation needed]. But as don said, we don't really care what they think in here as this is #debian. |
| 23:35.15 | stylica | themill: ok! |
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| 23:35.49 | stylica | Hm, Poettering is Bill Gates wearing a 3d printed mask, is that true? |
| 23:36.02 | un214 | no |
| 23:36.17 | un214 | haven't you trolled enough today? |
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| 23:36.24 | dondelelcaro | please troll elsewhere. |
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| 23:37.16 | Tenkawa | this is neat |
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| 23:37.58 | Tenkawa | just wish I knew how much battery was left (still working on that) |
| 23:38.26 | themill | Tenkawa: I thought the installer team had worked up images that could work directly on the 32bit efi machines |
| 23:39.07 | Tenkawa | themill: they may have in the past few however since this thing was installed via usb this was just easier |
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| 23:39.18 | unicodesnowman | back on topic about debian: upgrading to jessie without systemd is not practical or easy due to the network of interlocking dependencies |
| 23:39.28 | themill | unicodesnowman: not true. |
| 23:39.36 | Tenkawa | and for some reason my 32 bit efi file is a lot bigger |
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| 23:39.44 | un214 | I have systemd-logind but the rest is gone |
| 23:40.07 | un214 | I could punch-out systemd-logind but it is currently needed for user mounting of usb devices |
| 23:40.37 | Tenkawa | I still pull systemd as soon as I can as long as its possible |
| 23:40.50 | un214 | slackware had so much an easier way ... |
| 23:41.05 | Tenkawa | yeah |
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| 23:41.10 | Tenkawa | slackpkg |
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| 23:41.17 | Tenkawa | slackpkg |
| 23:41.20 | Tenkawa | er ? |
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| 23:41.37 | unicodesnowman | un214, that's exactly what I mean. Debian voted against init-independence for packages, so we are going to see more and more packages hard depend on systemd |
| 23:41.37 | Tenkawa | wow my hands are bad on the kb tonight |
| 23:41.48 | themill | unicodesnowman: not true. |
| 23:41.56 | un214 | this one is true |
| 23:42.10 | unicodesnowman | themill, did the vote for init-independence pass? |
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| 23:42.25 | themill | No it is not. That is neither what the vote was about nor what the consequences of the vote will be. |
| 23:42.39 | abrotman | but but .. |
| 23:42.43 | unicodesnowman | I read the motion and that's how I understood it. |
| 23:42.53 | themill | unicodesnowman: so you did not read it correctly. |
| 23:42.55 | SynrG | is it Sunday? |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | that doesn't make it so .. |
| 23:43.05 | abrotman | SynrG: Satunday! |
| 23:43.05 | SynrG | it must be Sunday ... |
| 23:43.07 | unicodesnowman | themill, what is it about then? |
| 23:43.14 | themill | But then this is discussing systemd so why would anyone actually pay attention to the truth.... |
| 23:43.23 | x86iac | Tenkawa: do ou have the battery kernel module installed? the battery info should be in /proc/acpi ?? |
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| 23:43.35 | themill | unicodesnowman: it was about whether the existing technical dispute resolution was working properly. And it is. |
| 23:43.56 | Tenkawa | x86iac: doh that might be it.. know off hand which module that is? |
| 23:44.16 | Tenkawa | not use to modularized generic kernels |
| 23:44.25 | Tenkawa | i usually build my own |
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| 23:44.46 | Tenkawa | however I bet you are spot on |
| 23:44.50 | unicodesnowman | themill, absent a requirement for packages to be init-independent, won't there logically be an increase of systemd-dependent packages? |
| 23:44.58 | themill | unicodesnowman: no. |
| 23:45.02 | Tenkawa | found it |
| 23:45.04 | Tenkawa | testing |
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| 23:46.00 | Tenkawa | battery was already inserted with nothing listed |
| 23:46.24 | un214 | I'm just steering clear as I got my fingers burnt on prior attempts |
| 23:46.53 | abrotman | un214: That's silly, that's how you end up on Win95 in 2015 |
| 23:47.19 | un214 | abrotman: shut up |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | and no one wants to be that guy from Oklahoma |
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| 23:47.54 | abrotman | Right .. you can speak the "truth", but no one else can .. |
| 23:48.19 | un214 | you sound like a troll |
| 23:48.27 | x86iac | Tenkawa: begins with a 'b' ... and ends with a 'y' ;) |
| 23:48.31 | abrotman | Do you listen to half of what you say? |
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| 23:48.55 | cafuego | get off my lawn |
| 23:49.25 | unicodesnowman | themill, the number of packages hard depending on systemd is increasing |
| 23:49.29 | Tenkawa | x86iac: no way.. heeeeheee |
| 23:49.31 | themill | unicodesnowman: no it is not. |
| 23:49.48 | Tenkawa | x86iac: it came up empty after re-insmodding |
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| 23:50.06 | unicodesnowman | themill, umm yes it is. how many systemd dependent packages in wheezy? how many in jessie? |
| 23:50.08 | unicodesnowman | how is that not an increase? |
| 23:50.23 | nkuttler | well, if you're at 0, 1 is an increase.. |
| 23:50.26 | x86iac | Tenkawa: did you check /sys too? mine is in /proc/acpi - i guess it depends on the driver? |
| 23:50.27 | un214 | oh gosh unicodesnowm use a better argument |
| 23:50.49 | Tenkawa | x86iac: yeah... I'll be updating the kernel and trying out some more later |
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| 23:51.09 | Tenkawa | now that this thing boots to grub it makes testing kernels so much easier |
| 23:51.22 | themill | unicodesnowman: there are no packages in jessie that depend on systemd as being the init system. So no, 0 is the same as 0. |
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| 23:52.10 | themill | Anyway, perhaps we could get back to actual user support questions rather than general, non-specific paranoia? |
| 23:52.44 | x86iac | themill what about specific paranoia? is that okay? ;) |
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| 23:53.10 | x86iac | Tenkawa: how big is your kernel now? |
| 23:53.19 | Tenkawa | big? |
| 23:53.31 | unicodesnowman | themill, libpam-systemd for 1. |
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| 23:53.41 | x86iac | Tenkawa: i understan using MB for size ;) |
| 23:54.09 | themill | unicodesnowman: incorrect. You can stop now. Thanks. |
| 23:54.11 | un214 | unocdesnowm: nope not that one |
| 23:54.38 | Tenkawa | including the initrd or without? |
| 23:55.02 | x86iac | what do you need to have in the initrd? |
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| 23:55.21 | nkuttler | unicodesnowman: systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv, so no need for systemd as init |
| 23:55.22 | Tenkawa | right now I have it is I just installed |
| 23:55.28 | Tenkawa | i'll be changing a lot |
| 23:55.31 | Tenkawa | afk... |
| 23:55.42 | unicodesnowman | nkuttler, installing a shim does not help you build a system that is not tightly interlocked on systemd's APIs |
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| 23:57.04 | Brigo | unicodesnowman, one thing is systemd and another is its API |
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| 23:58.11 | un214 | unocidenowman can we move this to #debian-offtopic? |
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| 23:59.58 | SynrG | can we move this to /dev/null? |
