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| 00:00.18 | x86iac | SynrG: my dev null is full |
| 00:00.34 | hassoon | how to install the driver of intel hd4400 in debian , it is also called haswell ULT in lspci :-S |
| 00:01.00 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 00:01.00 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 00:01.44 | SynrG | not sure if the Xorg in wheezy plays nicely with it though |
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| 00:03.43 | law | hello all, I'm trying to make as stripped-down of a Wheezy amd64 install as I can. Ideally with just 'vim', 'git' and 'sshd' on it. I see from https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en that it is possible to install Debian with as little as 60MB for amd64 |
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| 00:04.34 | law | however, after going through the Wheezy installer and making sure to not check any of the boxes on the package catalog screen, my base install is still in the 800+MB range |
| 00:04.57 | law | are there any docs available on how I could get a little closer to that 60MB number? |
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| 00:05.20 | un214 | hmmm I got 51mb for just vim and ssh |
| 00:05.40 | un214 | most of the space is the complete list of kernel modules |
| 00:06.38 | themill | law: did you actually uncheck "Standard task"? And did you apt-get clean? And make sure you've only got one kernel installed? |
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| 00:07.40 | law | I did make sure 'standard system utilities' was unchecked, along with 'debian desktop environment', and others |
| 00:07.51 | law | I've also installed localepurge and cleaned out all the unneeded locales |
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| 00:07.59 | themill | Given the size of the kernel, you're never going to get down to 60MB. |
| 00:08.25 | law | oh, I understand that. I was hoping to get comfortably under 500M though |
| 00:08.41 | hassoon | SynrG: it doesn't since I get xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default everytime I run xrandr :s |
| 00:09.01 | un214 | I'm pretty sure he can |
| 00:09.07 | un214 | he's going to have to build his own kernel though |
| 00:09.07 | x64ftw | un214: please read http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm#haters / Brigo another thing is quieting people who do not like systemd |
| 00:09.08 | x64ftw | but I get it: debian is going systemd, and debian is making it hard for people to not use systemd (see: bug 668001's perfectly working patches being declined). It's sad that linux distros are going for tightly coupled, monolithic systems but that's what debian has chosen. |
| 00:09.10 | x64ftw | It's sad to leave Debian after half a decade, but goodbye. |
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| 00:10.23 | Brigo | and why did he tell it to me? i don't care. |
| 00:11.23 | x86iac | i do - as soon as squeeze lts is over i'll be gone too - you might want to think about this systemd |
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| 00:12.37 | Brigo | i did nothing! why people are complaint of systemd to me?? |
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| 00:14.18 | Tenkawa | back |
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| 00:17.19 | dinduks | Hi. How does kernel 3.13 run on Wheezy? Will I run into (major) problems if I use it? |
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| 00:19.42 | Tenkawa | cheers all.. |
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| 00:20.00 | x86iac | Brigo: either you or obama |
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| 00:20.41 | Brigo | dinduks, i think you can run 3.16 from backports |
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| 00:22.10 | dinduks | thanks Brigo. Never done that, I'll try it now! |
| 00:22.48 | Brigo | !tell dinduks about backports |
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| 00:23.23 | dinduks | thanks, I was editing my sources.list: ) |
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| 00:25.17 | acz32 | what happens when you have a backported package and debian 8 is released? |
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| 00:28.10 | sacoche | Hi. I would like to make a package for debian and looking at the documentation. However it is said that a new package "should not be a daemon". It is. So I would like to know what is the process to add a package to debian when this package is a daemon. |
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| 00:28.38 | themill | acz32: the version number on all backported packages should be smaller than the version number of the jessie package. When you upgrade to jessie, those packages will be upgraded to the jessie versions. |
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| 00:29.10 | SynrG | sacoche: cite the doc that says this |
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| 00:29.35 | abrotman | sacoche: the doc says your first attempt shouldn't be a daemon .. meaning that something else might be better for a beginner |
| 00:30.21 | acz32 | themill: ok, thanks |
| 00:30.58 | sacoche | Synrg: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/start.en.html |
| 00:31.19 | SynrG | what abrotman said |
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| 00:33.18 | abrotman | sacoche: There are plenty of small programs that you can choose from (heck, choose a simple one from the RFP list, learn on both packages, upload both) |
| 00:33.26 | acz32 | so i looked into methods to block certain applications from network access, and it seems the only way is to create a new group without network access and run the program as that group. any other ideas? |
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| 00:34.15 | sacoche | So i can " make my hand" to one or two easy packages then afford a harder one like a daemon? |
| 00:34.48 | sacoche | Thanks to all of you |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | sacoche: more or less. Essentially, it's easier to learn on a non-daemon package |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | wonders if that NMG should reference the RFP as a way to help find some simple ones that aren't packaged |
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| 00:35.20 | sacoche | I c. Have a Nice day |
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| 01:43.09 | Sp33ls | Hey guys... quick question regarding Gnome installation on wheezy. After the install, is there anything in particular I'll need to run the GUI? |
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| 01:48.13 | beepie | Sp33ls, the default is the gnome desktop, if it doesn't boot up with it then something is wrong with gdm3(display manager) or you opted not to install it |
| 01:48.36 | Sp33ls | Thx for the reply, I opted to not install it |
| 01:48.42 | Sp33ls | But, rather, install it afterwards myself with apt-get |
| 01:49.25 | beepie | Sp33ls, you might need to install gdm3 if it the package gnome doesn't install it |
| 01:49.56 | Sp33ls | Ah ok, thanks for the heads up |
| 01:50.03 | beepie | Sp33ls, later can check if gdm3 is set on boot, (systemctl enable gdm3, systemctl start gdm3) |
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| 01:50.27 | paradigm | systemctl isn't available on wheezy, at least not by default, no? |
| 01:50.28 | beepie | assuming you're trying jessie, otherwise it's /etc/init.d/gdm3 start |
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| 01:50.56 | beepie | update-rc.d gdm3 defaults , if the default isn't set.. |
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| 01:51.07 | beepie | or.. you can check the dm setting with-> dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 |
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| 01:53.05 | beepie | Sp33ls, systemctl is on jessie, so you'll need to use /etc/init.d/gdm3 start .... you can use dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 to check if its set.. |
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| 01:54.19 | Sp33ls | Nice. |
| 01:54.38 | beepie | Sp33ls, just to tell you your sources should be properly set and updated with apt before doing this.. |
| 01:54.44 | beepie | Sp33ls, (apt sources) |
| 01:54.59 | beepie | Sp33ls, (and before apt-get install gnome gdm3) |
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| 01:55.35 | beepie | !netselect-apt |
| 01:55.35 | dpkg | netselect-apt uses <netselect> to determine the fastest Debian mirror respective to your location, then writes a sources.list file for use with <apt>. See also <apt-spy>. |
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| 02:17.09 | Drugo | in wheezy some gtk applications (gnome-mediaplayer, transmission, etc.) have an ugly look very different from other gtk guis. I tought that was because they use gtk3, so i tried to install packages like gtk3-engines-oxygen or gtk3-engines-unico but it didn't work. Any advice? |
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| 02:19.16 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello |
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| 02:19.59 | SpeakerToMeat | Question, at wheezy, with gnome-shell, what mechanism should I look at to stop ptp/mtp cameras automounting? udev, hal, policykit, dbus, gconf....... which? |
| 02:20.33 | SirLagz | start at one and work your way around ? |
| 02:20.46 | SirLagz | I'd guess udev, but I'm probably wrong |
| 02:21.31 | SpeakerToMeat | Maybe. but this ends up being userspace mounted with gvfs. I'll keep looking around |
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| 02:22.56 | pardelkat2 | Is BSPWM a desktop environment also? |
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| 02:38.56 | qjqqyy | no it's lightweight window manager for 1337h4x0r r1c3rs only |
| 02:39.03 | qjqqyy | @ pardelkat2 |
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| 02:47.25 | intelikey | pardon my ignorance but why is there only the option for a 3.2 kernel in the stable version ? would 2.6 break libC or something ? |
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| 02:47.47 | beepie | intelikey, 3.2 is a cool number I love it.. |
| 02:47.55 | beepie | intelikey, I voted for it |
| 02:48.10 | beepie | counters half fingers |
| 02:48.12 | intelikey | that doesn't answer my question though |
| 02:48.14 | dvs | intelikey: because that was the current version when wheezy went stable |
| 02:48.16 | beepie | intelikey, sure it does |
| 02:49.37 | intelikey | dvs so sense when does the current stable automaticly rule out older stable/s ? |
| 02:50.12 | intelikey | i don't understand why i can't install a 2. kernel if i choose too ? |
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| 02:50.34 | dvs | intelikey: Because the whole system was built with the 3.2 kernel. |
| 02:50.36 | beepie | thinks there's two too and "to" in the english language |
| 02:52.19 | intelikey | so libc6 / glibc ? |
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| 02:54.13 | themill | intelikey: occasionally one out of libc and udev end up with dependencies on minimum kernel versions. |
| 02:54.26 | Sp33ls | beepie, thanks for the help. Stay awesome. : ) see ya |
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| 02:57.27 | intelikey | using scsi for everything /dev/ makes it frustrating when you have ata/scsi/usb drives all on/in one box and the insistant use of drm ... |
| 02:57.31 | pardelkat2 | this article almost literally saved my life http://www.velocihost.net/clients/knowledgebase/29/Fix-the-apt-get-install-error-Media-change-please-insert-the-disc-labeled-.html |
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| 02:58.28 | Rocketeer_ | Somebody here reommended an easy way to create a vpn server? |
| 02:58.52 | x86iac | Rocketeer_: someone here? |
| 02:58.58 | Rocketeer_ | Not sure who it was |
| 02:59.07 | Rocketeer_ | I was complaining that I had no idea what I was doing |
| 02:59.12 | x86iac | did they say strongswan? |
| 02:59.34 | Rocketeer_ | I think so, thanks! |
| 02:59.44 | x86iac | lol |
| 03:00.07 | Rocketeer_ | Is it any good? |
| 03:00.25 | Rocketeer_ | Can I just apt-get install it? |
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| 03:04.19 | x86iac | did you try to? |
| 03:04.36 | x86iac | there is a #strongswan channel for you pleaseure too |
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| 03:05.21 | pardelkat2 | Gnome has been installing for a few minutes now |
| 03:05.29 | pardelkat2 | I'm starting to wonder if these are really DEPENDENCIES |
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| 03:06.56 | Rocketeer_ | x86iac: I did, and it worked:) |
| 03:07.09 | Rocketeer_ | Now I just need to figure out how to use it, which is its own problem |
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| 03:08.18 | x86iac | nice job rocketman |
| 03:08.25 | x86iac | there is a #strongswan channel for you pleaseure too |
| 03:09.00 | x86iac | do a simple outer ethernet to ethernet first and then work out nat etc and more complex setup configurations |
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| 03:09.36 | Rocketeer_ | x86iac: I can't even figure out how to call it lol |
| 03:09.49 | bynarie | is weezy still the latest release?> |
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| 03:10.14 | dvs | bynarie: for now... |
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| 03:10.18 | beepie | bynarie, weezy never came out, not that I know of |
| 03:10.34 | bynarie | wheezy i meant |
| 03:10.37 | bynarie | thanks dvs |
| 03:10.42 | beepie | oh yeah.. that for sure! |
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| 03:11.14 | bynarie | thx |
| 03:11.22 | bynarie | when i jessie to be released do we know? |
| 03:11.27 | bynarie | when is* |
| 03:11.31 | beepie | is a grammar and spelling prick. |
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| 03:12.16 | beepie | I suppose most of us are using testing and reporting on it. I can wait forever ahaha |
| 03:12.31 | beepie | likes kernel 3.16 |
| 03:12.36 | kellnola | Rocketeer_, openvpn is probably the easiest .. , openswan easier for point-to-point |
| 03:13.27 | Rocketeer_ | I'm trying to set up something whereby a virtual private server I'm renting acts as a vpn server |
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| 03:14.05 | Rocketeer_ | kellnola: I tried to setup openvpn |
| 03:14.15 | Rocketeer_ | But I had trouble with one of the .conf files |
| 03:14.54 | Rocketeer_ | I was following this guide: https://stavrovski.net/blog/how-to-install-and-set-up-openvpn-in-debian-7-wheezy |
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| 03:16.31 | sharky | Rocketeer_, you can find two, three more tutorials and you will get it done, usually one is not enough |
| 03:16.50 | Rocketeer_ | Alright I'll see what I can do |
| 03:17.23 | mdim | hi all |
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| 03:23.59 | duckey | Im having problems with x. I looked at the atihowto on the debian wiki and it did not help |
| 03:25.27 | duckey | Whats JBD2: I/O error detected when updating jornal superblock for sda2-8? |
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| 03:28.03 | SirLagz | duckey: that error has nothing to do with X |
| 03:28.20 | duckey | oh nvm then :) |
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| 03:28.49 | duckey | SirLagz, what can i do then? |
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| 03:29.42 | SirLagz | duckey: what's the issue you're having ? |
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| 03:31.19 | Rocketeer_ | So I'm setting up /etc/openvpn/server.conf |
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| 03:31.37 | Rocketeer_ | There's a line for user and a line for group |
| 03:31.40 | duckey | SirLagz, X wont start. I get Could not create lock file in /tmp/.TXO-lock |
| 03:32.05 | SirLagz | duckey: what's the output of 'mount' ? |
| 03:32.05 | duckey | SirLagz, bottom line, I have no gui |
| 03:32.07 | Rocketeer_ | What's my default group? Do I need to set one up for openvpn? |
| 03:32.40 | duckey | Sirlagz, I cannot copy and paste |
| 03:33.26 | SirLagz | duckey: low tech screenshot it ? |
| 03:33.31 | SirLagz | i.e. mobile phone picture ? |
| 03:33.50 | rjsalts | fpaste hello_unixnlinux.txt |
| 03:34.05 | duckey | SirLags, no phone. But I am in root on grub |
| 03:34.20 | rjsalts | grub or console login? |
| 03:34.37 | duckey | console login is default |
| 03:34.42 | duckey | so grub |
| 03:34.48 | rjsalts | I was unaware of irc clients for grub |
| 03:35.03 | duckey | cuz i forgot my user name but not passwd |
| 03:35.26 | duckey | I am on a 12 year old pc running xp |
| 03:35.43 | kellnola | Rocketeer_, you can run openvpn as root, worry about that later. try to get it running |
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| 03:35.50 | duckey | and i also have a seprate laptop with debian on it |
| 03:35.55 | SirLagz | duckey: I have a PC that old ! |
| 03:36.05 | duckey | SirLagz, lol |
| 03:36.12 | Rocketeer_ | kellnola: I just put root and root |
| 03:36.28 | duckey | Its one year younger than me |
| 03:36.29 | kellnola | and it does not start? what does it puke up? |
| 03:36.33 | Rocketeer_ | kellnola: but I can't get it running |
| 03:36.43 | Rocketeer_ | service openvpn restart |
| 03:36.44 | SirLagz | duckey: lol... |
| 03:36.53 | kellnola | paste the logs in pastebin or something ... look at /var/log/syslog |
| 03:36.56 | Lewoco_ | According to /etc/group my user is in group foo, but if I do `groups myuser` group 'foo' is not listed. Why not? |
| 03:37.07 | Rocketeer_ | [ ok ] Stopping virtual private network daemon:. |
| 03:37.07 | Rocketeer_ | [....] Starting virtual private network daemon: serverSIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 03:37.07 | Rocketeer_ | : ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 03:37.29 | kellnola | Rocketeer_, did it pass the TUN support line in your tutorial? |
| 03:37.32 | Rocketeer_ | From a bit of googling it seems that this is a tun issue |
| 03:37.42 | kellnola | it definitely is |
| 03:37.44 | Rocketeer_ | It did pass the tun support line but it is a virtual server |
| 03:37.51 | duckey | I bought this pc from bestbuy |
| 03:37.52 | kellnola | is this a VM or a regular machine? |
| 03:37.53 | kressara | Hi guys. I'm trying the best I can, but my internet's pretty slow right now. I've been trying for 20 minutes to install grub2. |
| 03:38.10 | Rocketeer_ | This is a virtual server I'm renting |
| 03:38.15 | Rocketeer_ | I |
| 03:38.20 | Rocketeer_ | I'm pretty sure it's a vm |
| 03:38.40 | kellnola | Rocketeer_, is there a /dev/net at all? |
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| 03:39.04 | duckey | SirLagz, I cant think of nothing |
| 03:39.29 | kressara | I'm stuck with grub v1.9* |
| 03:39.31 | Rocketeer_ | Yep, /dev/net/ has one item in it |
| 03:39.31 | kressara | what to do? |
| 03:39.36 | Rocketeer_ | Which is tun |
| 03:40.36 | kellnola | Rocketeer_, do you have "dev tap" or "dev tun" in your server.conf? |
| 03:40.48 | Rocketeer_ | How could I find that? |
| 03:41.08 | Rocketeer_ | Oh sorry, yes |
| 03:41.13 | duckey | In the tty1 panel how do i login to root? |
| 03:41.17 | kellnola | Rocketeer_, look at the file in an editor ... then search for that ... |
| 03:41.36 | Rocketeer_ | Sorry, yes, it's the third line |
| 03:41.40 | abrotman | duckey: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 03:42.17 | Rocketeer_ | Should I change it to dev tap? |
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| 03:44.26 | Rocketeer_ | Could it have something to do with the server line |
| 03:45.00 | Rocketeer_ | I just realized that was simply copied and pasted from the net |
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| 03:46.01 | Rocketeer_ | I fixed that, and now I get a different error |
| 03:46.15 | Rocketeer_ | kellnola: Sorry, that was dumb on my part |
| 03:46.21 | Rocketeer_ | Now I get "[ ok ] Stopping virtual private network daemon:. |
| 03:46.21 | Rocketeer_ | [FAIL] Starting virtual private network daemon: server failed! |
| 03:46.21 | Rocketeer_ | " |
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| 03:49.29 | kellnola | Rocketeer_, do "less /var/log/syslog" |
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| 03:50.11 | duckey | So what can I do? |
| 03:50.12 | kellnola | you might want to make sure your hosting co. doesn't need to do anything before you set up a vpn ... often they do |
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| 03:50.59 | Rocketeer_ | Here are the last few lines: http://pastebin.com/rtjKyWMa |
| 03:52.46 | kressara | Meh. i'll borrow someone else's computer. |
| 03:52.47 | kressara | brb |
| 03:53.47 | Rocketeer_ | kellnola: Should the ip address for "server" be the same as the actual ip address of the server, or should that be fiction? |
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| 03:54.09 | Rocketeer_ | It's the same right now, they're both 96.44.156.194 |
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| 04:07.28 | Guest66560 | so what's the command to mount a drive with read and write permissions? thanks |
| 04:08.09 | beepie | Guest66560, none.. the drive is not in first gear to begin with |
| 04:08.27 | beepie | ha! |
| 04:08.42 | Guest66560 | so what should i do |
| 04:09.00 | beepie | Guest60414, "sudo computer mount the drive!" |
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| 04:31.56 | duckey | X wont start and the error I get is screens found but none usable |
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| 04:36.45 | duckey | Anyone?? |
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| 04:40.25 | duckey | Hello??? |
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| 04:42.18 | Rocketeer_ | duckey: I'm no expert, but what are you trying to do? |
| 04:42.54 | duckey | Rocketerr, trying to get x to start |
| 04:43.27 | Rocketeer_ | Hmm. You have a laptop? |
| 04:44.00 | Rocketeer_ | And if so, you can log in to a console? |
| 04:44.57 | Rocketeer_ | What is the error if you just run startx |
| 04:44.59 | Rocketeer_ | ? |
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| 04:48.03 | Rocketeer_ | duckey: What is in your Xorg log? |
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| 04:52.55 | beepie | !ping |
| 04:52.55 | dpkg | Yes, beepie, you are online. |
| 04:53.00 | beepie | !pong |
| 04:53.00 | dpkg | well, pong is the best name on IRC e.g. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
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| 04:53.18 | stacks_ | the nsa has their hands in everything. Very informative and powerful documentary about Edward Snowden called Citizenfour http://weshare.me/e33be3d590f32460/Citizenfour_(2014)_-_The_Edward_Snowden_Story.mp4 |
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| 05:36.22 | l9 | how can i read temprature sensor in console? |
| 05:37.02 | Rusty1 | l9: if lm-sensors is installed, type: sensors |
| 05:38.10 | l9 | Rusty1 thanks :) |
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| 05:40.43 | l9 | why is permitrootloging default yes on debian ?= |
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| 05:42.24 | cheapie | Is it normal for files to do things such as chmod themselves 000 if power is randomly lost (ext4)? |
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| 05:44.21 | mdim | I've been trying to install libvirt from its source code. However, I keep on getting the following error: ./bootstrap: 221: ./bootstrap: python-config: not found |
| 05:44.27 | l9 | cheapie what kind of files ? |
| 05:44.34 | mdim | which package should I install that has python-config? |
| 05:45.17 | cheapie | l9: /usr/sbin/smartctl suddenly became chmodded 000 after the system crashed. |
| 05:45.43 | l9 | mdim python-dev |
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| 05:46.50 | mdim | l9: thx! |
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| 05:47.56 | cheapie | Hi, VE! |
| 05:47.59 | l9 | cheapie that doesnt sound normal at all, havent seen that happen ever before on any of my computers, tho just started using debian |
| 05:48.01 | VanessaE | hi |
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| 05:48.21 | cheapie | l9: VanessaE there is the person with the messed-up computer. |
| 05:48.38 | cheapie | l9: (I was talking to her elsewhere) |
| 05:49.05 | VanessaE | I'll just sit back and listen for now, since I'm at a total loss :P |
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| 05:49.18 | l9 | VanessaE but what happened ? |
| 05:49.24 | cheapie | VanessaE: I was just telling l9 about how smartctl became chmodded 000. |
| 05:50.40 | VanessaE | l9: random, unexplained reboots of a dedicated server that I just configured a few days ago, with nothing being written to the logs to explain the restarts. The only clues so far are that ^^^^ and a single block of around 200 NULs /var/log/syslog just ahead of the boot messages following the last restart. |
| 05:51.29 | VanessaE | +in |
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| 05:51.40 | l9 | exploited? |
| 05:51.48 | cheapie | l9: We *think* the reboots might be a hardware problem, but any diagnostics that she can do would be helpful. |
| 05:51.51 | VanessaE | doubt it. it's ssh-key-only to login. |
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| 05:52.26 | VanessaE | and rather limited in what a person can even see from the outside (just nginx, quassel, and some minetest server instances) |
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| 05:52.51 | cheapie | ..."some" is a bit of an understatement, but okay... |
| 05:53.13 | VanessaE | ok several ;) |
| 05:54.01 | cheapie | Also, the IRCd doesn't count any more? |
| 05:54.05 | VanessaE | since this doesn't even begin to behave like a typical failure, I have no clue what to look at next. |
| 05:54.11 | l9 | I think you server got hit from the outside |
| 05:54.12 | VanessaE | cheapie: oh yes, that too :) |
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| 05:54.42 | RayzrShrp | hello? |
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| 05:54.58 | VanessaE | l9: the way it's acting, hit with a hammer is about right. but I can't be so sure about that? |
| 05:54.58 | cheapie | I used to have a computer that did this periodically (but never when anybody was using it). It turned out to be a failing power supply. |
| 05:55.13 | VanessaE | l9: what makes you figure it's compromized? |
| 05:55.53 | cheapie | That sort of thing is why I have crazily high standards for power supplies, but that's another matter... |
| 05:56.21 | RayzrShrp | i just have the corsair 750 |
| 05:56.55 | l9 | VanessaE well those 200 NULs and the fact that files have changed permissions, chmod is root. |
| 05:57.08 | cheapie | RayzrShrp: Seasonic Platinum-660 (SS-660XP²) here, not like that's relevant... |
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| 05:57.30 | cheapie | l9: You don't think it was corruption during the crash? |
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| 05:59.14 | l9 | VanessaE i cant be certain but i would have been paranoid after it. |
| 05:59.24 | Contrl | Is there a 'Securing Debian Jesse' how-to, site, link, or something that someone can point me in the direction of? |
| 05:59.39 | cheapie | The old box (doing the same thing) never had any issues... |
| 05:59.46 | cheapie | (just *very* slow) |
| 06:00.18 | cheapie | Contrl: Try https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
| 06:00.21 | VanessaE | the old box ran for 315 days straight without a reboot, exact same amount of load (it was just a slower machine - fewer cores, spinning rust instead of SSDs, less RAM, etc) |
| 06:00.48 | VanessaE | s/amount/type/ |
| 06:01.21 | Contrl | VanessaE: No updates? |
| 06:01.42 | VanessaE | Contrl: nope, none that required a restart. |
| 06:01.44 | l9 | cheapie yes it might be just a corruption, too be certain you need too compare timestamps on file sustem |
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| 06:02.07 | VanessaE | but I periodically ran update/upgrade on it of course. |
| 06:02.19 | Contrl | VanessaE: Why? There are a few things that require reboots... |
| 06:02.42 | VanessaE | Contrl: didn't see a need. production server. I'm not one to reboot servers if I don't have to :) |
| 06:03.27 | Contrl | VanessaE: That's why you have fallbacks and specific times you do updates. |
| 06:03.43 | VanessaE | fallbacks I can't afford :P |
| 06:03.48 | cheapie | This isn't *that* critical of a server. |
| 06:03.54 | Contrl | I've seen many sites have a one hour maintenance window |
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| 06:04.25 | cheapie | It does IRC, limited web content, and several (8) Minetest servers. |
| 06:04.38 | Contrl | How much RAM? |
| 06:04.42 | VanessaE | 32 GB |
| 06:04.53 | Contrl | Why so many Minetest? |
| 06:05.00 | VanessaE | different worlds |
| 06:05.09 | VanessaE | with different game content on each |
| 06:05.20 | Contrl | I'd hope you have a backup HDD |
| 06:05.21 | VanessaE | (except for two which are identical games but different game modes) |
| 06:05.24 | VanessaE | I do. |
| 06:05.26 | Contrl | Also an UPS |
| 06:05.29 | cheapie | VanessaE: Want to link the stats page here so he can see it's not OOM? |
| 06:05.34 | VanessaE | I assume the datacenter has a UPS yeah |
| 06:05.38 | VanessaE | http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html |
| 06:05.40 | Contrl | cheapie: OOM? |
| 06:05.47 | l9 | what does dmesg say |
| 06:05.50 | cheapie | Contrl: OOM=Out Of Memory |
| 06:05.57 | VanessaE | l9: nothing useful. already looked multiple times. |
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| 06:06.40 | Contrl | Not too bad, I mean 4GB a piece only allows.. what.. 8 users a server? |
| 06:06.42 | VanessaE | the first of these restarts was 6 hours after I got the machine. I suspected a remote monitoring hardware fault, but that clearly isn't it (since I'd shut it off after that) |
| 06:06.49 | VanessaE | Contrl: this is Minetest, not Minecraft. |
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| 06:07.02 | VanessaE | it only takes about 1 GB or so to handle 50 users. |
| 06:07.06 | Contrl | VanessaE: I obviously don't understand the difference |
| 06:07.07 | VanessaE | (CPU power is another matter though :P ) |
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| 06:08.19 | l9 | VanessaE who is hosting you |
| 06:08.21 | VanessaE | anyways in those statistics graphs, those gaps at around 0900 and 0215 were both due to unscheduled restarts. that huge spike at 1000 was just me fiddling around with some maintenance scripts. |
| 06:08.22 | Contrl | So network-wise, how would I secure a device from local and from external devices? Rather than the following: .... iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT .... iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT .... iptables -P INPUT DROP .... iptables -P FORWARD DROP .... iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 06:08.35 | VanessaE | l9: OVH, So You Start. |
| 06:08.57 | VanessaE | Contrl: you'd unplug the network cable ;) |
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| 06:09.18 | Contrl | VanessaE: Well duh, but anything else you recommend other than an external device ( PFSense, etc etc ) |
| 06:09.36 | Walex | Contrl: therer is a channel for that, #Netfilter |
| 06:09.37 | cheapie | Contrl: Try a pair of scissors. |
| 06:09.53 | l9 | VanessaE OVH yeah i dont have alot of experience with them, but you should report it too them |
| 06:09.57 | Contrl | Walex: I mean, something OTHER than iptables. |
| 06:10.06 | RayzrShrp | ufw |
| 06:10.12 | Contrl | Ha ha ha ha ha |
| 06:10.25 | cheapie | l9: I've been told she's opened a ticket with them. |
| 06:10.40 | VanessaE | l9: I have raised a ticket about it, but at the time I was unclear about the problems. I closed that ticket yesterday. I raised a new ticket about an hour ago telling them I want them to investigate possible hardware failure. |
| 06:10.41 | Contrl | RayzrShrp: I mean, is setting up iptables sufficient? |
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| 06:11.12 | VanessaE | Contrl: Iptables is generally enough as long as you're not talking about blocking thousands of IPs or ports. |
| 06:11.21 | l9 | VanessaE if you can log your traffic til you figure out what is going on |
| 06:11.23 | VanessaE | (otherwise you'll drive up your CPU usage to handle it) |
| 06:11.28 | RayzrShrp | iptables works if you configure it right |
| 06:11.38 | cheapie | Contrl: "ifconfig eth0 down" is another good way to block network traffic, with the side effect that it blocks all of it. |
| 06:11.49 | RayzrShrp | i use a cisco asa5505 |
| 06:12.03 | Contrl | cheapie: Yeah yeah yeah |
| 06:12.38 | VanessaE | l9: well nginx logs access errors but there's nothing there that's useful - just some website trying to look for some random file I don't have, probably thinking there was an old website at the same IP. |
| 06:13.14 | Contrl | VanessaE: Is OVH any good? |
| 06:13.54 | VanessaE | s/some website/some user's browser/ |
| 06:13.55 | l9 | VanessaE i would ask my host too log all traffic in their firewalls since i dont trust my own OS at the moment |
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| 06:14.30 | VanessaE | Contrl: well the old server was decent. this one is a different matter. customer service is average. prices are good for the lower-end hardware (when it works). |
| 06:14.45 | RayzrShrp | i work for a managed services company |
| 06:14.47 | Contrl | VanessaE: What are the payment options? |
| 06:14.56 | VanessaE | Contrl: credit/debit card and paypal |
| 06:15.00 | Contrl | VanessaE: Lame. |
| 06:15.17 | VanessaE | shrugs |
| 06:15.17 | Contrl | VanessaE: My current one offers XBT and it's pretty smooth. |
| 06:15.39 | VanessaE | I can't see these guys getting into crypto anytime soon |
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| 06:18.14 | RayzrShrp | crypto for what? |
| 06:18.38 | Contrl | I'm not worried about anyone breaking my VPS, and also have no services other than SSH running on it. There's my bot, but it's just a Python IRC client. I can provide the source code if anyone is remotely interested in it. |
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| 06:18.53 | Contrl | RayzrShrp: Bitcoin |
| 06:18.58 | RayzrShrp | what does the bot do Contrl ? |
| 06:19.15 | Contrl | RayzrShrp: https://bitbucket.org/contrl/contrl/src |
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| 06:19.27 | roboman2444 | does anyone know the status of avconv/ffmpeg? |
| 06:19.43 | Contrl | roboman2444: What was the problem with it? |
| 06:19.43 | roboman2444 | for a while avconv was the proper one to use... i've heard that we should move back to ffmpeg |
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| 06:20.44 | Contrl | RayzrShrp: Idea is that you want to give someone mod privileges, but you don't trust them. So they do it through the bot as a verified user, and you log everything that happens in channel. Bot can't be touched, can't be banned/kicked/muted by any command the users attempt. |
| 06:21.08 | RayzrShrp | Contrl: ah yeah i dont have my own channel |
| 06:21.39 | Contrl | RayzrShrp: Just saying that it's more of an administration bot. Also going to be implementing GPG authentication soon* |
| 06:21.59 | RayzrShrp | Contrl: cool |
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| 06:23.12 | RayzrShrp | i wish i could program python but alas i suck at programming |
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| 06:24.47 | Contrl | It's pretty easy actually |
| 06:24.50 | Contrl | Check out #python |
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| 06:25.53 | VanessaE | I don't suppose there's some esoteric "serial terminal" I can set up, like the old RS232 method, but which just pipes over SSH? |
| 06:26.04 | VanessaE | (of course I don't mean SSH, but something more "low level") |
| 06:26.28 | VanessaE | i.e. something I can monitor and perhaps copy&paste from my home PC here |
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| 06:27.13 | Contrl | You could always send characters as 0s and 1s |
| 06:27.31 | Contrl | connected through serial |
| 06:27.36 | Contrl | to a raspberry pi |
| 06:27.48 | Contrl | I don't know even know what I'm saying but sounds good. |
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| 06:28.05 | VanessaE | heh, wouldn't help since the server's in France and I'm in the US :P |
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| 06:48.34 | vilce | Hi guys |
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| 06:48.47 | vilce | how can I troubleshoot the error on a debian 6: kernel panic not syncing attempted to kill the idle task ? |
| 06:48.49 | vilce | on vmware |
| 06:48.55 | vilce | nothing in logs after reboot :-s |
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| 06:52.20 | Contrl | vilce: I'd recommend updating since 6 isn't supported. |
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| 07:02.34 | vilce | 6 isn't supported? |
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| 07:05.41 | Contrl | vilce: That's old stable, I believe not. |
| 07:06.00 | Contrl | Considering Jessie is about to become stable, no I don't think it is. |
| 07:06.48 | vilce | ok |
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| 07:08.14 | vilce | not sure if the customer wants new version out there |
| 07:08.26 | vilce | can I add LTS repo and update all the packages as a first step? |
| 07:08.38 | Contrl | LTS? |
| 07:09.04 | vilce | squeeze-lts |
| 07:09.47 | Contrl | You can, but I'm not sure how long that would be available |
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| 07:10.31 | vilce | I am trying to convince the customer to do a upgrade but meanwhile the server is crashing and I hope this first update will fix it |
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| 07:10.40 | vilce | it may be a bug in kernel on vmware who knows |
| 07:10.45 | vilce | +vmware tools are not up to date |
| 07:11.26 | criusxii | I never heard of sqeeze-lts... |
| 07:12.04 | vilce | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 07:12.18 | Contrl | How long has it been crashing? |
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| 07:13.06 | vilce | about once a month |
| 07:13.16 | vilce | for few months |
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| 07:15.27 | Contrl | I'd recommend telling the customer to upgrade or risk being hacked using an unsupported operating system. |
| 07:16.45 | vilce | totally agree! |
| 07:16.48 | vilce | thanks |
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| 07:23.38 | percY- | I'm trying to figure out how to get my samba share mounted on boot using fstab |
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| 07:24.21 | percY- | I have access to my share on my vm using this command " mount -t cifs //192.168.0.14/Files /percyb0x/ " |
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| 07:24.51 | percY- | I just want to figure out how to get it mounted on boot in fstab using cifs |
| 07:24.58 | percY- | Would this be what i would need to add in fstab? //192.168.0.14/Files /percyb0x/ cifs |
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| 07:25.42 | vilce | percY- : without username and password? |
| 07:25.50 | percY- | Yes |
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| 07:28.00 | vilce | //192.168.0.14/Files /percyb0x/ cifs rw,nounix,user=,password= 0 0 |
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| 07:28.35 | makkan_lappy586 | I think I have a grub/framebuffer/kms related problem. On the very same laptop I've installed the debian desktop + laptop base packages and that works out of the box. Hi res grub menu and high res vc's. But if I manually install a system, i.e. not choose any packages at all I get erratic behaviour from the i915 module. I've made it more reliable by adding the grub commandline i915.modeset=1 but on some reboots I end up with a bla |
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| 07:29.24 | makkan_lappy586 | Somewhere there has to be a setting that makes one system work flawless but I can't seem to find it. |
| 07:29.27 | Contrl | makkan_lappy586: Is this Wheezy? |
| 07:29.34 | makkan_lappy586 | Contrl: yes |
| 07:29.58 | Contrl | Have you tried Jessie? |
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| 07:30.29 | makkan_lappy586 | Contrl: Nope... mainly because it does work with wheezy so I figured I just have to find the right setting. |
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| 07:31.13 | Contrl | I figure Jessie would have probably fixed it |
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| 07:31.54 | percY- | vilce: now as far as being able to write to that directory from my VM... are the permissions supposed to be set in smb.conf on fileserver? |
| 07:33.14 | makkan_lappy586 | Contrl: I don't think it's a bug really I think there's a setting that gets properly set when installing a desktop system from scratch and that setting is not installed when you install X.org at a later time. |
| 07:33.34 | makkan_lappy586 | Contrl: but I will try jessie if I can't figure it out. |
| 07:33.44 | Contrl | Jessie is very smooth. |
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| 07:39.38 | jelly | Dorfen: merely "newer" isn't safe with binary-based distributions. It needs to be a distro with contents built specifically for your OS release. |
| 07:40.05 | makkan_lappy586 | ok what if I phrase my question like this: what makes grub load in a high resolution after a finished installation? Is it settings like GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x786 in /etc/default/grub or is it automatically detected in some whay? |
| 07:40.16 | jelly | s/distro/repository/ |
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| 07:42.13 | bramgg | I upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie yesterday and everything seemed to work fine except now Helvetica looks awful, which fucks with a large portion of the web. http://i.imgur.com/8nRbDgg.png |
| 07:42.25 | bramgg | Anyone know how those two things might be related? |
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| 07:43.02 | bramgg | Screenshot example is GitHub as it seems to use Helvetica in most places |
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| 08:03.04 | Walex | bramgg: #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org is more suitable |
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| 08:25.54 | toolz | hello, I'm running debian 7.8 64 bit, I am trying to compile a software and I keep getting: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbreakpad_client |
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| 08:27.27 | Oins | Hi. I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and rebooted. Now I get after Loading Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 the message "cryptsetup: evms_activation is not available". The disc is full encrypted. Any ideas what I can do. |
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| 08:34.07 | WormFood | If I use touch, or otherwise create a 0 byte file, does it actually allocate disk space, or is it only a directory entry at that point? |
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| 08:34.31 | komanda3 | trying to move 64 > 32 |
| 08:34.39 | komanda3 | what do i need to install |
| 08:34.47 | komanda3 | apt-get install ia32-libs-386 ? |
| 08:34.52 | komanda3 | E: Unable to locate package ia32-libs-386 |
| 08:35.10 | AimHere | WormFood, I think an empty directory entry still uses up a little diskspace |
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| 08:35.49 | WormFood | you need to add the i386 architecture to apt-get/aptitude to install the 32-bit libs. Sorry, I don't know the command off the top of my head, but a little bit of googling will quickly point you to pages which will tell you how to do it. |
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| 08:37.13 | komanda3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.19 | komanda3 | these are the ones available |
| 08:37.23 | komanda3 | not good enough? |
| 08:37.49 | WormFood | komanda3, I don't know what your goals are. |
| 08:38.12 | WormFood | you haven't asked a real question yet. :P |
| 08:38.21 | komanda3 | a program i need only runs on 32 bit, i accidently installed 64 bit debian |
| 08:38.30 | komanda3 | to lazy to reinstall |
| 08:38.44 | komanda3 | going 64 > 32 seems like a fun challange |
| 08:38.48 | WormFood | you can run 32-bit programs on 64-bit Linux, with no problems. (or few problems, if any) |
| 08:38.52 | WormFood | it seems silly to me. |
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| 08:39.23 | WormFood | so, your real question, is how to run a 32-bit app, and install the proper files it needs, on a 64-bit install of Debian? |
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| 08:39.31 | jelly | WormFood: multiarch |
| 08:39.45 | jelly | just like the other way |
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| 08:39.55 | WormFood | here is jelly to the rescue. He can probably give you a bot entry that will tell you how to do it. |
| 08:40.02 | jelly | !multiarch howto |
| 08:40.02 | dpkg | it has been said that multiarch howto is http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 08:40.19 | jelly | !tell komanda3 about ia32-libs |
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| 08:41.37 | komanda3 | ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 08:41.53 | WormFood | komanda3, I recommend you check out the 'gdebi' utility. It will probably make things easier for you, if you downloaded your .deb file instead of installing it with apt-get/aptitude |
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| 08:43.00 | salih-emin | komand3, just rub apt-get -f install |
| 08:43.05 | salih-emin | run* |
| 08:43.25 | komanda3 | WormFood & salih-emin: thank you |
| 08:43.26 | salih-emin | it'll fix any dependencies and broken packages |
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| 08:44.19 | WormFood | komanda3, good luck. Read what the bot says, and it will put you on the right path. |
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| 08:58.43 | RoyK | is pcp meant to be in debian wheezy (7.8)? seems it was in squeeze |
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| 09:08.42 | osfe | is there one that might be more robust ? |
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| 09:53.01 | Guest62404 | hey noobs |
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| 09:55.13 | Twinkletoes | Guest62404: Did you want help? |
| 09:55.39 | rgr | osfe: why not just try them and see if they work. |
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| 10:08.01 | arun__ | hi guys. any one here ever tried to install Deepin Desktop Environment in Debian system ? |
| 10:09.41 | SynrGy | anything of that broad scope would surely take a whole team to maintain |
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| 10:12.26 | SynrGy | arun__: your plan is what, to build the whole thing from source and install locally to try? i'm not trying to discourage you from that. but my guess from the lack of any mention of DDE in www.debian.org/devel/wnpp prospective packages list is that nobody's interested (yet?) in doing that |
| 10:13.39 | SynrGy | assuming there is someone to do the work and it can be justified that adding it to debian would be an asset, and there are no license problems or other reasons to rule it out ... |
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| 10:14.24 | SynrGy | it could be packaged for debian. but it's unclear to me how it differs from other desktop environments, and why it would be an asset |
| 10:15.41 | SynrGy | then again i've never taken the time to evaluate it. |
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| 10:21.07 | yei | hi |
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| 10:26.07 | MrMonkey31 | polishes social skills |
| 10:26.17 | Iridos | SynrGy, it might be, seeing as gnome is crap and kde is crap :P |
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| 10:26.38 | Iridos | but then it might be just more of the same |
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| 10:28.26 | Iridos | funny... I got openbox-gnome-session from backports... no idea how to use it |
| 10:28.52 | Iridos | it doesn't seem to have a --replace option |
| 10:28.55 | Iridos | oh well |
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| 10:30.04 | SynrGy | session managers are not window managers |
| 10:30.11 | SynrGy | pay attention :) |
| 10:30.15 | Iridos | hmpf |
| 10:30.22 | twisted_spirit | i3 rocks :D |
| 10:30.26 | SynrGy | it's a replacement for gnome-session-manager, i guess. |
| 10:30.35 | Iridos | but shouldn't the session manager start the wm? |
| 10:30.51 | SynrGy | yes? i guess? |
| 10:31.05 | SynrGy | it used to be (gnome 2) that i could start a gnome session, then openbox --replace |
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| 10:31.20 | Iridos | hm, but I'm doing that with gnome 3 |
| 10:31.26 | SynrGy | i doubt if gnome3 is structured this way anymore. seems they've gone a different way |
| 10:31.32 | SynrGy | really? hmm |
| 10:31.32 | Iridos | and I get a plain openbox wm that way as far as I can tell |
| 10:31.41 | SynrGy | yeah. i don't think that's a useful result |
| 10:31.45 | Iridos | and when I run gnome-shell --replace, I get a full-blown gnome back |
| 10:31.56 | Iridos | oh, it's a very useful result, actually... |
| 10:32.03 | SynrGy | so openbox-gnome-session may be a relic from gnome2 days |
| 10:32.18 | SynrGy | more useful than simply starting openbox? |
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| 10:32.30 | SynrGy | oh, the ability to temporarily switch |
| 10:32.37 | Iridos | because ... gnome-shell often(ish) starts using up 100% of one cpu core... (and maybe also large amounts of memory)... but it's still reacting, so i can push it out with openbox --replace |
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| 10:32.45 | SynrGy | gotcha. |
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| 10:32.59 | Iridos | and that works a hell lot better than just doing gnome-shell --replace |
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| 10:33.05 | Iridos | to switch from one gnome-shell to another |
| 10:33.24 | Iridos | openbox seems to re-introduce some sanity that just starting another instance of gnome-shell doesn't |
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| 10:33.52 | SynrGy | i see |
| 10:34.12 | Iridos | also... staying a bit with openbox in between is good for my sanity, I think :P |
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| 10:34.23 | SynrGy | heh |
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| 10:36.05 | Iridos | I think the main thing I miss is getting an overview of my 100 windows occasionally by hitting the corner with the mouse |
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| 10:36.41 | Iridos | and/or maybe that multi-desktop overview showing all windows and enabling you to move them back and forth between them from the overview |
| 10:37.09 | jellow1 | Hi there I've run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it has got stuck on Installing for x86_64-efi platform. I have debian Jessie installed. What should I do? |
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| 10:39.21 | rgr | what does "got stuck" mean? |
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| 10:39.50 | rgr | maybe pastebin the terminal output and prompts its offering you. |
| 10:42.08 | jellow1 | It seems to be waiting for it to complete I can press enter and nothing happens. Been like that for last 45 minutes |
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| 10:51.19 | rgr | press "q" - maybe a prompt has got lost. |
| 10:51.38 | rgr | but normally you can interrupt and restart |
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| 10:53.53 | SynrGy | postinst did roll-call on block devices and/or partitions and has now blocked on I/O that the kernel cannot complete? |
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| 10:54.29 | SynrGy | or filesystems (e.g. networked filesystem) |
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| 10:55.02 | SynrGy | can you do other commands like 'df' or do they block forever too? |
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| 10:56.24 | barmaglot | http://paste.debian.net/156871/ |
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| 10:56.30 | barmaglot | ello, i try install jira on debian, from .bin installler, but when i start jira, 8080 port not binded |
| 10:56.34 | barmaglot | this is catalina.out log |
| 10:56.41 | barmaglot | but i don`t see any errorrs |
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| 10:57.17 | SynrGy | struggling to see the part of this that is an actual debian problem ... shouldn't you be asking jira? |
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| 10:58.24 | SynrGy | or if you could rephrase this as "how do i ____ on debian to troubleshoot this?" maybe we could help there. |
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| 10:58.38 | SynrGy | because i'm drawing a blank, not knowing jira at all. |
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| 10:59.11 | SynrGy | and sorry, i have to go anyway. got work to do. later |
| 11:00.59 | SynrGy | barmaglot: just one parting thought ... if you expected 8080 to be bound, how are you testing for that? netstat -tl? nmap localhost? something else? |
| 11:01.11 | SynrGy | could be bound to localhost only by default or so. |
| 11:01.29 | SynrGy | and now i really must go. seeya |
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| 11:24.57 | NemeSis | how to "allow only established connections on port 80" on iptables |
| 11:26.24 | petn-randall | NemeSis: You need the conntrack module, and then use "--ctstate ESTABLISHED". man iptables-extensions has details. |
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| 11:27.34 | NemeSis | petn-randall, can you tell me an example ? |
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| 11:28.47 | petn-randall | NemeSis: iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
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| 11:29.35 | NemeSis | petn-randall, its will work for all port or only port 80 ? |
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| 11:30.57 | petn-randall | NemeSis: That's something for you to figure out. You'll need to understand iptables syntax to use it, anyway. :) |
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| 11:31.38 | NemeSis | petn-randall, is there any refrence for syntax ? |
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| 11:33.10 | petn-randall | NemeSis: Yeah, 'man iptables', and 'man iptables-extensions'. There's also a good overview of documentation on http://netfilter.org/documentation/index.html |
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| 11:33.32 | NemeSis | petn-randall, thank you |
| 11:33.36 | icebolt | Hi! |
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| 11:33.42 | icebolt | I have a little problem |
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| 11:33.58 | icebolt | I have installed Squirrelmail 1.4.23 under Debian 7 |
| 11:34.14 | icebolt | I can reach squirrelmail from browser under Win xp |
| 11:34.19 | icebolt | It works |
| 11:34.22 | icebolt | I see the mails |
| 11:34.28 | icebolt | But there is a littlet problem |
| 11:34.31 | icebolt | -t |
| 11:34.35 | petn-randall | NemeSis: On that page, you can have a look at the Packet Filtering HOWTO and Netfilter Extensions HOWTO in your preferred language. |
| 11:34.52 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 11:34.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:34.57 | icebolt | I want to create folder into INBOX |
| 11:35.10 | icebolt | but I can't select INBOX from the roll down menu |
| 11:35.30 | petn-randall | icebolt: Which browser are you using? |
| 11:35.34 | icebolt | Opera |
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| 11:35.52 | petn-randall | icebolt: Does it work with other browsers? |
| 11:35.52 | icebolt | 2x |
| 11:35.55 | icebolt | no |
| 11:35.59 | icebolt | I tried IE too |
| 11:36.03 | icebolt | doesn't work |
| 11:36.22 | icebolt | It's annoying because everything works |
| 11:36.24 | petn-randall | What do you mean with 2X? |
| 11:36.40 | icebolt | I dont know the verion of Opera |
| 11:36.42 | icebolt | 13 |
| 11:36.43 | icebolt | no |
| 11:36.44 | icebolt | 23 |
| 11:36.47 | icebolt | or 24 |
| 11:36.48 | icebolt | maxbe |
| 11:36.52 | NemeSis | petn-randall, there is too many document i am confused |
| 11:37.11 | icebolt | Opera 27 :D |
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| 11:37.52 | petn-randall | NemeSis: iptables is fairly lowlevel. If you want a more high-level abstraction, use a firewall application like ufw, shorewall or many others. |
| 11:38.06 | icebolt | Does somebody know why can't I choose the INBOX folder when I want to create a folder into it ? |
| 11:38.24 | petn-randall | icebolt: Try to upgrade it to the current version before debugging this any further. |
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| 11:39.09 | NemeSis | petn-randall, i cantn't o that , becuse i dont have enaghe memory and cpu,,, i should do it with iptables |
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| 11:39.24 | NemeSis | petn-randall, i want to know how should i do that |
| 11:40.05 | hassoon | okular depends on 172 MB of data? lmao |
| 11:40.17 | hassoon | vlc* are among them even |
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| 11:41.17 | icebolt | this is the latest |
| 11:41.19 | petn-randall | NemeSis: A firewall application will only generate iptables output and run that. If you can boot a Linux kernel, you can run a firewall application. |
| 11:41.27 | icebolt | I installed with apt-get install |
| 11:41.33 | icebolt | today |
| 11:42.01 | petn-randall | icebolt: I meant the current version of Opera. |
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| 11:45.15 | icebolt | ok petn-randall |
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| 11:46.39 | icebolt | petn-randall: I don't think this will help but I try it :) |
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| 11:46.54 | deever | hi |
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| 11:47.51 | deever | how con i find out for which manual package a package was installed? |
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| 11:48.51 | deever | f.e. which manually installed package(s) triggered mysql-server to be installed? |
| 11:50.05 | barmaglot | SynrGy: http://joxi.ru/YmEVe34uj6Pe26 |
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| 11:53.00 | icebolt | petn-randall: Nothing changed |
| 11:53.03 | icebolt | :( |
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| 11:53.04 | SynrGy | barmaglot: as indicated earlier, i'm at work and unable to comment. address your questions about that paste to the channel (i didn't even look ... only popped on to deal with a channel mgmt issue) |
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| 11:54.15 | icebolt | here is theproblem |
| 11:54.16 | icebolt | http://cubeupload.com/im/DAZgwF.png |
| 11:54.24 | icebolt | there isn't INBOX |
| 11:54.29 | icebolt | in the rolling down menu |
| 11:54.58 | icebolt | somebody ?? |
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| 12:01.20 | eck | do i have to put the logic in the postinst step? |
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| 12:04.34 | NemeSis | whats meaning of RELATED connection on iptables ? |
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| 12:04.42 | NemeSis | petn-randall, whats meaning of RELATED connection on iptables ? |
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| 12:06.10 | petn-randall | NemeSis: RELATED is a different connection that is related to an established on. There are several conntrack helpers for this. One example is the FTP data connection, which is RELATED to the FTP control connection. You usually want to treat ESTABLISHED and RELATED the same. |
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| 12:19.23 | pardelkat2 | fargnu 4 http://i.imgur.com/26AZ0eS.png |
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| 12:20.01 | SynrG | pardelkat2: please don't do that |
| 12:20.13 | SynrG | link spam is unwelcome |
| 12:20.28 | pardelkat2 | sorry <3 |
| 12:20.38 | barmaglot | why jira bind localhost, but not bind 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:20.46 | barmaglot | i change it in server.xml |
| 12:21.04 | barmaglot | http://joxi.ru/nAyz3JaFWN7WrZ |
| 12:21.15 | SynrG | barmaglot: ah. you've made progress, then? well, i can't answer why jira does X, Y or Z, since it's not a debian package ... |
| 12:21.34 | SynrG | maybe it's binding ipv6-only? |
| 12:21.37 | barmaglot | SynrG: it`s logically)( |
| 12:21.49 | barmaglot | i don`t know.. |
| 12:22.27 | SynrG | again, try to keep your questions about jira to problems solvable by the debian support community with no knowledge of jira |
| 12:23.00 | themill | There's a #atlassian here on freenode |
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| 12:23.13 | SynrG | ah, very good |
| 12:23.19 | barmaglot | themill: this channel is dead |
| 12:23.19 | SynrG | should we have a jira factoid pointing there? |
| 12:23.35 | hassoon | if i have downloaded my intel HD4400 gpu's driver from the wheezy-backports, shoudln't I download the xinit package from wheezy-backports too? |
| 12:23.36 | barmaglot | unfourtunatelly |
| 12:23.44 | barmaglot | unfortunately * |
| 12:23.58 | SynrG | barmaglot: and that's sad, but we can't provide upstream support when the upstream community support is dead or non-existent |
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| 12:24.01 | sAr-sA | hi |
| 12:24.02 | themill | barmaglot: try again in a few hours or try their forums. The TZ is not great for finding north americans |
| 12:24.08 | SynrG | yep |
| 12:25.03 | SynrG | hassoon: there's an xinit in backports? i can't see how that would help without Xorg in backports ... |
| 12:25.09 | SynrG | ,v xinit |
| 12:25.11 | judd | Package: xinit on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.0-2; wheezy: 1.3.2-1; jessie: 1.3.4-1; sid: 1.3.4-1 |
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| 12:25.33 | SynrG | no, there is not, in fact, an xinit in backports (and as i said even if there were, it would be useless without backporting the xserver) |
| 12:26.03 | SynrG | hassoon: i think what we've determined about your issue across these past two days, based on your observation about xrandr failing for your chipset ... |
| 12:26.16 | sAr-sA | I dunno why I can not connect to my WIFI from Debian 7. Everything goes right but when I reboot I can not associate with the AP. I have WPA2 AES and the password is ok (checked it). Any reasons I can not connect? |
| 12:26.17 | SynrG | hassoon: is that there is no solution for your too-new-for-wheezy intel chipset |
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| 12:26.24 | SynrG | hassoon: you would need to run jessie to solve it |
| 12:26.43 | sAr-sA | I've been months connecting to my router without problems |
| 12:26.44 | SynrG | hassoon: either that, or live with whatever issues Xorg has on wheezy until jessie releases, and then upgrade |
| 12:26.52 | hassoon | SynrG: but regarding my gpu issue of yesterday, I installed the hd4400 driver from the backports, then xrandr started working normally, in the other hand, i could never start any 3D apllication (games, glxgear, whatever), due to that |
| 12:27.04 | hassoon | SynrG: ah the sid |
| 12:27.16 | SynrG | hassoon: when you say "the hd4400 driver" you mean the backports kernel? |
| 12:27.29 | themill | That said, wheezy-backports and jessie have the same xserver-xorg-video-intel. |
| 12:27.29 | SynrG | as for GL, i think that would take a new mesa |
| 12:27.33 | SynrG | i don't know if that's backported ... |
| 12:27.44 | SynrG | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 12:27.45 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.917-1~exp1 |
| 12:27.48 | hassoon | SynrG: i mean the xserver-xorg-video-intel package from the backports |
| 12:27.50 | SynrG | oh! i didn't realize that |
| 12:27.59 | SynrG | great |
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| 12:28.07 | SynrG | then what about a mesa backport? |
| 12:28.15 | hassoon | themill: now they have different versions sir |
| 12:28.27 | SynrG | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 12:28.28 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1; sid: 10.4.2-2 |
| 12:28.35 | hassoon | ah.. |
| 12:28.41 | hassoon | sec i'll install that from the backports |
| 12:28.42 | SynrG | sadly, there's no mesa backport :P |
| 12:28.53 | SynrG | only squeeze-backports. that's useless to you |
| 12:28.57 | SynrG | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 12:28.59 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on i386 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1; sid: 10.4.2-2 |
| 12:28.59 | hassoon | right i see |
| 12:29.14 | themill | SynrG: is live making jessie images yet? |
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| 12:29.19 | hassoon | so i got SID in the end? :s |
| 12:29.23 | SynrG | so i think you've now exhausted all the options within wheezy |
| 12:29.27 | SynrG | well, jessie. |
| 12:29.37 | hassoon | SynrG: i wonder how stable and useful it is :s |
| 12:29.43 | hassoon | i have never tried it |
| 12:29.57 | SynrG | please join #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net (note: not this network) and see |
| 12:30.03 | SynrG | we support testing/unstable there. |
| 12:30.15 | hassoon | SynrG: Alright. |
| 12:30.18 | themill | hassoon: there will be only a relatively small number of packages change in jessie between now and release. |
| 12:30.42 | hassoon | themill: so it is pretty stable :> |
| 12:30.50 | SynrG | fairly. but there are still risks |
| 12:30.51 | hassoon | oh it's 7.8 now heh.. |
| 12:31.06 | icebolt | bye |
| 12:31.11 | themill | security support isn't that timely just yet |
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| 12:31.14 | SynrG | upon joining #debian-next @ oftc, read 'sid faq' in the channel topic to familiarize yourself with the risks, and best practices for running testing/unstable systems. |
| 12:31.21 | themill | (and on that basis, we probably should be happy to support jessie here now too) |
| 12:31.26 | SynrG | !sid faq |
| 12:31.26 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 12:31.27 | hassoon | SynrG: Alright. |
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| 12:49.52 | jeredepp | hello everyone, i want to update libpostproc52_6, but it doesn't seem to update alltough it should be available for wheezy. how does one troubleshoot such issues? |
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| 12:56.32 | ksk | jeredepp: why would you want to uptade? |
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| 12:57.32 | alaintno | Hello guys |
| 12:58.10 | alaintno | I have a question about maintaining a local debian repo |
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| 12:59.00 | Brigo | alaintno, then ask |
| 12:59.23 | alaintno | I have an existing sets of local repo, publied by nginx |
| 12:59.59 | alaintno | But I want to know how to manage dependancies, if I want to add a package |
| 13:00.37 | alaintno | I mean, if I add the corrrected version of glibc, how do I manage its dependancies ? |
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| 13:02.22 | jeredepp | ksk: fixing CVE's |
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| 13:10.59 | RoyK | I don't think I got an answer to this, any idea why Performance Co-Pilot (PCP) no longer is in debian? Seems it was there in Squeeze, but not in Wheezy |
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| 13:12.54 | zlude | Hello! I need to use delldset_v2.1.0.112_A00.bin but it's work just on RHEL OS's, can i run it on Debian using something? someone can help me? |
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| 13:14.14 | sekil | hi |
| 13:14.29 | themill | RoyK: bug #721499 had it removed from wheezy. It's back in jessie. |
| 13:14.35 | sekil | what is the official debian tool to change runlevels for the daemons? |
| 13:14.49 | sekil | something like rh's chkconfig |
| 13:15.00 | sekil | also to list the runlevels for the daemon |
| 13:15.07 | themill | sekil: you use whatever tool you like |
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| 13:16.11 | themill | there's chkconfig, sysv-rc-conf, ... most just use ls or mv. |
| 13:16.25 | sekil | themill: update-rc.d can't list daemon runlevels, can it? |
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| 13:16.52 | RoyK | themill: thanks |
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| 13:17.30 | themill | sekil: update-rc.d doesn't make for a particularly user friendly interface. It's really designed for scripting. |
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| 13:21.42 | sekil | themill: I used update-rc.d and sysv-rc-conf...I can't seem to get it to work..really frustrating coming from redhat |
| 13:22.31 | themill | in what way does it not work? |
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| 13:22.41 | sekil | themill: doesn't start the daemon |
| 13:22.53 | themill | should it? |
| 13:23.06 | sekil | themill: on reboot...with sysv-rc-conf I set those Xs for 2345 |
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| 13:24.02 | sekil | themill: I see it also set for other apps which are installed from the packages..and they start |
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| 13:24.26 | themill | Is the init script run at all? |
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| 13:25.29 | sekil | themill: yes |
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| 13:26.17 | sekil | I see the daemon in service --status-all |
| 13:26.21 | themill | so if the init script is being run but the daemon is not starting, then it's probably not the fault of setting the wrong run-level |
| 13:26.40 | sekil | I did update-rc.d <app> defaults |
| 13:27.08 | sekil | and enabled it via sysv-rc-conf (at least I think I did..by putting X on 2,3,4,5) |
| 13:27.21 | sekil | is that what should do it? |
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| 13:27.49 | sekil | I checked the documentation..and there's no word about any of the init tools |
| 13:27.58 | themill | it doesn't sound like enabling is the problem |
| 13:28.30 | sekil | by doing /etc/init.d/<app> start it works fine |
| 13:29.08 | themill | does this thing not write logs explaining why it didn't start properly on boot? |
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| 13:29.34 | SynrGy | sounds like a dependency ordering problem |
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| 13:30.11 | SynrGy | sekil: determine the dependencies of the service and adjust the LSB header accordingly |
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| 13:30.47 | themill | sekil: what actual link has been made in the rcX.d directories? |
| 13:30.48 | SynrGy | then rerun insserv |
| 13:31.17 | SynrGy | and yes, the service's own logs should give you clues as to what is missing |
| 13:31.35 | SynrGy | (or if logged via the log daemon, then daemon.log, syslog, etc.) |
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| 13:37.40 | someone1996 | Hi, how I have Intel wireless card and I can't connect to wifi during installation (tried both live cd and installer), it doesn't detect my wireless card, how I can fix this? |
| 13:38.31 | tvuillemin | Hello. I'm trying to send multicast IP packets to several network interfaces simultaneously. I tried to create routing rules with "ip route" and "iptables", but I didn't succeed. Any idea how to do it please? Thanks in advance. |
| 13:40.51 | someone1996 | I found this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi , but it says I need to install a firmware, but how I can do that when I have no network connection?! |
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| 13:44.15 | petn-randall | someone1996: Does the wifi card show up in 'lspci'? If yes, it's likely a firmware issue and you can simply use the netinstaller with firmware. |
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| 13:44.29 | ohithere | someone1996: you could try installing from an image found here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 13:44.31 | Brigo | someone1996, you can download it to a usb stick from another computer or use unnoficial images with firmware inside like: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 13:44.31 | blueeagle | someone1996: You can transfer it to a floppy or similar movable medium I guess. |
| 13:44.32 | sekil | SynrGy: yeah that's the problem apparently..it should wait for mysql but it does not |
| 13:44.53 | petn-randall | !tell someone1996 -about firmware images |
| 13:45.14 | someone1996 | Thanks |
| 13:45.30 | Brigo | four answers to someone1996 , amazing :) |
| 13:45.58 | ohithere | was thinking the same |
| 13:47.15 | sekil | themill: it's linked |
| 13:47.24 | sekil | themill: from rc2.d to the app |
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| 13:48.54 | petn-randall | tvuillemin: This question might be easier to answer by the people from #networking. Make sure to include any details like routing entries and iptables in your question. You can use http://paste.debian.net to show these. |
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| 13:50.41 | tvuillemin | petn-randall: OK, thanks for your help. |
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| 13:50.46 | sekil | tvuillemin: ip route add 239.0.0.0/8 dev eth1 i.e.? |
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| 13:52.43 | tvuillemin | sekil: Thanks for your answer. I tried something similar. However, in my situation, I want to multicast packets to be sent to eth1 AND eth2. |
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| 13:54.54 | RoyK | the multicast group is 224.0.0.0/4 |
| 13:55.04 | RoyK | the global one |
| 13:55.08 | RoyK | better use that |
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| 13:55.59 | sekil | isn't 239/8 for private use? |
| 13:56.28 | sekil | 224/8 or parts of it is used in routing protocols |
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| 14:03.17 | netan | hi all, Do anybody have any experience with running unprivileged containers in Debian ? |
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| 14:03.34 | netan | https://www.stgraber.org/2014/01/17/lxc-1-0-unprivileged-containers/ |
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| 14:04.01 | rtur | Is it possible to define alternative mirrors for times when the default ones aren't reachable ? We have an aptproxy running inside the network, but when laptops are outside and someones wants to install a package they have to either establish a vpn connection (which would nullify the purpose of our proxy) or edit the sources manually. |
| 14:04.15 | sekil | tvuillemin: two routes? |
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| 14:05.49 | rtur | Or maybe add the default mirrors behind our proxy and make apt not fail since it can't reach some of them ? |
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| 14:08.01 | rtur | Oh, I just tested it, apt doesn't fail if they aren't reachable, only ignores them. My problem is solved then, thanks :) . |
| 14:08.07 | RoyK | sekil, tvuillemin: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/ip-mroute.8.html this might help? |
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| 14:10.08 | themill | rtur: http.debian.net makes a good mirror (redirector) for laptops. I guess you could do something nasty at the dns level to have it point at your local mirror |
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| 14:10.43 | fraff | themill: yes but how his local mirror would reach http.debian.net then ? |
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| 14:11.33 | themill | you'd tell your local mirror what to peer off |
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| 14:13.54 | rtur | themill: I was with you about reassigning the ip address according to the network I'm in, but how would changing the mirror my proxy uses help the issue ? |
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| 14:14.28 | themill | ? |
| 14:14.54 | sekil | SynrGy, themill: thanks |
| 14:15.17 | tvuillemin | sekil: It seems that I cannot add the route twice with a different output interface. "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" |
| 14:15.30 | tvuillemin | RoyK: Thanks for the link, reading... |
| 14:16.23 | rtur | themill: You first said "you could do something nasty at the dns level", I agree that it would solve the issue. Then you suggested http.debian.net as a mirror, how would that help ? |
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| 14:16.59 | fraff | themill: ha, I didn't know http.debian.net, nice stuff |
| 14:17.01 | rtur | or was it just a proposal for the domain I would use to redirect ? |
| 14:17.30 | themill | rtur: set all the clients to use http.debian.net -- when they're not on site, they just work. When they're on site, you point them at your mirror. Fine up to the point where someone has a local dns cache isntalled.... |
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| 14:17.49 | rtur | themill: I see, thank you. |
| 14:18.29 | DammitJim | is there a bootable USB utility to wipe a hard drive easily? |
| 14:18.42 | DammitJim | it seems gparted has to load all this stuff and then one has to delete each partition and blah blah blah |
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| 14:18.48 | DammitJim | I rather do an fdisk of some sort |
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| 14:19.10 | rtur | DammitJim: Any live distro should be ok |
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| 14:19.25 | themill | DammitJim: to destroy stuff or to rebuild? |
| 14:19.26 | DammitJim | rtur, what would be the appropriate command to wipe the hard drive |
| 14:19.34 | DammitJim | my team has to go through 200 of these laptops |
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| 14:19.38 | DammitJim | destroy |
| 14:19.42 | DammitJim | then we are donating them |
| 14:19.46 | themill | !dban |
| 14:19.46 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq . See also <nwipe>. |
| 14:19.47 | DammitJim | they are very old machines |
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| 14:20.29 | rtur | DammitJim: I'm no cryptographer, for my purposes it was always enough to do something like dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/yourdisk , but it depends on the data you want to destroy I guess. |
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| 14:21.13 | rtur | maybe shred can run on a drive too ? |
| 14:21.34 | RoyK | rtur: shred does the same thing as dban |
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| 14:21.51 | RoyK | rtur: with today's disks, two overwrites is quite sufficient |
| 14:22.01 | RoyK | rtur: that is, one is, but then run another |
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| 14:23.01 | RoyK | rtur: but SSDs can't be securely erased without special hardware (such as a flame thrower) |
| 14:23.25 | DammitJim | rtur, thanks... I care 0% about these drives |
| 14:23.45 | DammitJim | these are old old mechanical hard drives... this will suffice |
| 14:23.59 | DammitJim | what is urandom? |
| 14:24.14 | RoyK | DammitJim: /dev/urandom - device for generating pseudorandom |
| 14:24.21 | DammitJim | oh cool!!!! |
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| 14:25.28 | RoyK | DammitJim: but shred does that nicely - just run shred -v -n 2 /dev/somewhere |
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| 14:27.16 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 14:27.50 | asterismo | i need help with something |
| 14:28.01 | DammitJim | shred? |
| 14:28.04 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 14:28.20 | SynrGy | !ask |
| 14:28.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:28.49 | asterismo | i'm trying to co figure a lenovo thinkserver with a xeon processor |
| 14:29.11 | DammitJim | man, lenovo is a pain in my butt! I ordered this t440s laptop thinking it was going to be cool... I hate it |
| 14:29.59 | asterismo | and i used the hard drive of a prior hardware |
| 14:30.03 | RoyK | DammitJim: A friend of mine just got a lenovo and is very happy with it |
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| 14:30.12 | asterismo | so the arch is i386 |
| 14:30.19 | RoyK | asterismo: server with a raid controller? |
| 14:30.53 | DammitJim | do you know what model? |
| 14:30.54 | asterismo | but the sever will boot only in kernel 3.2-4-486 |
| 14:30.55 | RoyK | asterismo: if so, you'll need to setup a raid config to see the drive |
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| 14:31.06 | asterismo | abd not the 686-pae |
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| 14:31.20 | RoyK | asterismo: sounds like something ancient |
| 14:31.30 | SynrGy | asterismo: so, where's the problem? |
| 14:31.30 | asterismo | so i wonder if it is the wrong architecture |
| 14:31.32 | SynrGy | no |
| 14:31.40 | SynrGy | i386 architecture will run on xeons too |
| 14:31.54 | asterismo | maybe the xeons need the em64 |
| 14:31.59 | SynrGy | and if you want to install 686-pae kernel, just install the 686-pae kernel |
| 14:32.11 | SynrGy | if you want to reinstall from scratch amd64, do that. |
| 14:32.17 | asterismo | but the 686-pae kernel wont boot |
| 14:32.17 | SynrGy | if you feel that it's worth a reinstall |
| 14:32.26 | SynrGy | describe "won't boot" |
| 14:32.29 | asterismo | it will hang up on boot |
| 14:32.59 | asterismo | 486 boots fine but only detects 1 core of the quad |
| 14:33.18 | asterismo | and only 3gb of ram out of the 32gb |
| 14:33.20 | SynrGy | what debian release are you running? |
| 14:33.22 | asterismo | any ideas? |
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| 14:33.44 | RoyK | asterismo: try a 64bit live cd |
| 14:33.57 | RoyK | asterismo: I really wouldn't recommend 32bit arch with 32GB memory |
| 14:34.11 | SynrGy | RoyK: but with PAE it should work |
| 14:34.29 | asterismo | 7 stable |
| 14:34.30 | RoyK | SynrGy: yeah, but it's not as fast. also, 32bit OS in 2015? |
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| 14:34.42 | SynrGy | well, it was an upgrade from older hardware ... |
| 14:34.43 | asterismo | what log file should i inspwct? |
| 14:34.55 | SynrGy | i assume the only reason asterismo is interested in pursuing this is to save having to do a reinstall |
| 14:35.04 | SynrGy | i already suggested a reinstall ... |
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| 14:35.38 | asterismo | it ran on a intel dual core 1.6ghz with 2gb ram |
| 14:35.44 | SynrGy | asterismo: is that an up-to-date stable? latest point release before you switched hardware? |
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| 14:36.25 | SynrGy | does it have the intel microcode? |
| 14:36.32 | asterismo | mm |
| 14:36.40 | SynrGy | 'intel-microcode' package |
| 14:37.01 | DammitJim | RoyK, is it normal for shred to take some time to clear out the drive? |
| 14:37.03 | asterismo | will check that |
| 14:37.19 | asterismo | but it should run right? |
| 14:37.21 | SynrGy | asterismo: does /proc/cpuinfo include 'pae' flag? |
| 14:37.25 | RoyK | DammitJim: yes |
| 14:37.28 | SynrGy | seems inconceivable that a xeon wouldn't, but ... |
| 14:37.43 | DammitJim | RoyK, why the 2 iterations? |
| 14:37.45 | RoyK | DammitJim: how big is the disk? |
| 14:37.54 | DammitJim | 500GB |
| 14:38.02 | RoyK | DammitJim: as I said, single overwrite is safe, double is very safe |
| 14:38.17 | DammitJim | oh, sorry. I missed that |
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| 14:38.42 | someone1996 | What is password of debian 7.7 livecd default user? |
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| 14:38.46 | asterismo | ok thanks |
| 14:38.51 | rioth | hello |
| 14:39.15 | SynrGy | someone1996: username 'user', password 'live' |
| 14:39.26 | rioth | i have okular 0.14.3 |
| 14:39.35 | rioth | when i do type apt-get install okular |
| 14:39.47 | rioth | they give okular is already the newest version |
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| 14:39.54 | someone1996 | SynrGy: Thanks |
| 14:40.04 | rioth | but online there is also 0.21 version |
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| 14:40.23 | rioth | how does it possible? |
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| 14:41.03 | Vroomfon1el | rioth: apt-get is saying "it is the enwest version in the Debian repositories" |
| 14:41.08 | Vroomfon1el | *newest |
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| 14:41.17 | Tenkawa | yay got debian and 3.19.0 running natively on my winbook... now to get it to run in 64 bit mode |
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| 14:41.24 | rioth | ah OK |
| 14:41.30 | koolfy | hello, I'm having issues with unattended-upgrades executions. The candidate packages are of the right origin-pattern, the script first says the packages have the isTrusted value set to "True", but then later blacklists them as it sees ALL packages as "is_trusted : 0" (the python apt bindings corresponds to a signature check on the packages... which come directly from security.debian.org |
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| 14:41.48 | koolfy | I can't wrap my head around this |
| 14:41.49 | rioth | what repository i have to add? |
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| 14:42.11 | centrx | rioth, What package is this? The version of okular in Debian stable is 4.8.4 |
| 14:43.19 | rioth | Okular |
| 14:43.20 | rioth | Version 0.14.3 |
| 14:43.22 | rioth | Using KDE Development Platform 4.8.4 (4.8.4) |
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| 14:44.12 | miskatonic | I prefer zathura, anyways. It blends well wiuth ratpoiuson and other keyboard-friendly x11 solutions |
| 14:44.23 | centrx | rioth, Okay so it's tied to the KDE version. Your best option for upgrading KDE would be to upgrade to Debian pre-release jessie, but you should consider whether you really need features in the newer version of okular/KDE |
| 14:44.43 | centrx | !sns |
| 14:44.43 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 14:46.11 | rioth | centrx ok I understand thanks |
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| 14:46.55 | qqx | Does anybody know of a way to search the BTS for bugs with messages from a specific email address? |
| 14:47.16 | Tenkawa | well darn |
| 14:47.20 | vivia | Hi, can I somehow get a 3.15 kernel on stable? (I need to have both Docker and Virtualbox running, I upgraded to a 3.16 kernel from backports to get Docker to run and then hit this bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82951 ) |
| 14:47.27 | Tenkawa | card reader not recognized on the winbook |
| 14:47.40 | Tenkawa | thats first thing I can try to find |
| 14:48.42 | RoyK | vivia: - a virtual machine located on a fuse filesystem partition ( ntfs for example ) - that must be one of the least optimal places I've heard of someone running VMs from |
| 14:49.27 | vivia | RoyK: I'm not even sure it's this bug because all partitions are on /dev/mapper/something , but otherwise it looks the same... so I'm mostly trying semi-random stuff to keep my machine from crashing whenever I start a VM |
| 14:50.05 | RoyK | vivia: file a bug - if it's a problem with 3.15, it should be fixed |
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| 14:50.48 | vivia | RoyK: with 3.16 you mean? yeah I know it should be fixed, but we somehow need a workaround... are you easily aware of a way to get 3.15? |
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| 14:51.28 | RoyK | vivia: no, sorry, but does it work with 3.2? |
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| 14:52.22 | jelly | vivia: there's 3.19 in experimental. I don't know whether it's installable on wheezy |
| 14:52.38 | RoyK | vivia: if you don't really need 3.16, I'd use 3.2 |
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| 14:52.50 | vivia | RoyK: we do need 3.16 because of docker, sadly |
| 14:52.57 | RoyK | runs 3.16 since the mobo's not very well supported on 3.2 |
| 14:53.10 | vivia | but i'll try the vm under 3.2, just that someone needs to go downstairs and select that from grub... I'll report back in a bit, thanks |
| 14:53.12 | RoyK | ah |
| 14:53.21 | vivia | jelly: definitely something to try if it works on 3.2, thanks |
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| 14:53.38 | RoyK | vivia: remote management boards are nice ;) |
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| 14:53.58 | jelly | vivia: or file a bug report on current package, and ask to include patches from comment 15 on that bugzilla page |
| 14:54.01 | vivia | RoyK: sadly not on this very machine :) |
| 14:54.38 | vivia | jelly: as I said, I'm not sure it's that bug since we're not actually using fuse, but it might be related |
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| 14:56.15 | vivia | hit a bug when using proprietary software => report bug, wait, receive semi-irrelevant replies, give info, wait, ad nauseam. and you're even paying for it. hit a bug when using free software => go somewhere on irc and your debugging is going very fast |
| 14:56.20 | jelly | vivia: uh, if it's not that bug, 3.15 might not fix anything |
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| 14:56.52 | RoyK | vivia: indeed :) |
| 14:56.53 | jelly | so check and verify your backtrace corresponds to the bug |
| 14:57.15 | vivia | RoyK: jelly: still crashes with 3.2 :( |
| 14:57.19 | RoyK | ouch |
| 14:57.21 | Tenkawa | wow this machine is so much funner now |
| 14:57.24 | RoyK | can you pastebin the backtrace_ |
| 14:57.25 | RoyK | ? |
| 14:57.38 | vivia | sure, when it's back up |
| 14:57.39 | miskatonic | proprietory software doesn't imply having to pay for it |
| 14:57.58 | vivia | miskatonic: maybe i missed a beautiful keyword: "oracle" |
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| 14:59.50 | vivia | sorry guys, if i don't leave now i won't get a ride |
| 14:59.51 | Tenkawa | tries to compile a 64 bit kernel to use with his 64 bit cpus on a 32 bit efi... this should be "interesting" |
| 14:59.53 | vivia | thanks a lto anyway |
| 14:59.55 | vivia | will get back with logs tomorrow |
| 15:00.19 | sine0 | hello i have a headless wheezy debian server on a local network. I want to stream a movie from it to a player that can use NFS. It wont be heavy use is there a quick way to setup a medid folder for share |
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| 15:01.24 | Tenkawa | sine0: add it to the nfs exports file and export |
| 15:01.36 | Tenkawa | that should be all you need if using nfs |
| 15:01.38 | sine0 | is there one by default |
| 15:01.49 | RoyK | sine0: if you have installed nfs-kernel-server, yes |
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| 15:02.13 | Tenkawa | is it still /etc/exports? |
| 15:02.13 | sine0 | how can i check that. sorry im a bit new, is it a module |
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| 15:02.19 | RoyK | Tenkawa: yep |
| 15:02.21 | Tenkawa | hasnt used it in years |
| 15:02.26 | sine0 | by the way i love debian its great |
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| 15:02.37 | Tenkawa | try man exports |
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| 15:03.12 | Tenkawa | if nfs-server is installed |
| 15:03.13 | jelly | sine0: there isn't one. Make sure "nfs-kernel-server" package is installed, first |
| 15:03.13 | sine0 | no manual entry |
| 15:03.15 | sine0 | ok |
| 15:03.34 | Tenkawa | RoyK: I feel old now... I still remwmber using nfs in the early 90's |
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| 15:03.43 | sine0 | thats pulling in now |
| 15:03.50 | RoyK | Tenkawa: then you'll be quite happy if you tried nfsv4 ;) |
| 15:03.57 | RoyK | Tenkawa: things have changed a bit |
| 15:04.08 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 15:04.11 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
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| 15:04.42 | RoyK | Tenkawa: rpc/portmap are now history, which is rather nice |
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| 15:05.21 | Tenkawa | indeed..those were so annoying |
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| 15:09.54 | Tenkawa | 64 bit kernels can run 32 bit apps without any special setup right as long as the userland was already 32 bit before? |
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| 15:12.42 | Brigo | Tenkawa, 64 bits kernels can run 32 bits apps, but apps use to need some libs, and you need the 32 bit version. |
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| 15:17.48 | sine0 | to make system configs editable to my non root main user account is it best to chown or create a group and add him to that group |
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| 15:19.49 | petn-randall | sine0: Is that a question or a statement? |
| 15:19.51 | turtleding | hello. how do i install the virtualbox extension pack? 4.3.18 is the newest version, but i coldnt found a 4.3.18 extension pack |
| 15:20.07 | SynrGy | sine0: no, because that weakens security of your system. instead, add the user to your /etc/sudoers, or put in the 'sudo' group |
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| 15:20.25 | sine0 | it was a question |
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| 15:21.22 | sine0 | my user is in the sudoers group but i was trying to edit the file from a remote gui program that didnt use sudo in front |
| 15:21.24 | petn-randall | sine0: Maybe the other way around: Why do you want a non-root user to be able to change your system config? |
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| 15:21.28 | SynrGy | at least that stops attacks that allow files to be written for whatever reason cannot obtain a shell |
| 15:21.44 | SynrGy | sine0: then launch the gui program with gksudo |
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| 15:22.07 | sine0 | in all fairness i am the only user and while i am trying to learn the best practices i am only "playing admin" |
| 15:22.19 | sine0 | SynrGy: the program is run on a windows client |
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| 15:22.57 | SynrGy | sine0: then use the windows client to modify a *copy* of the file, and then install it afterwards with sudo |
| 15:23.13 | SynrGy | sine0: directly editing system files remotely sounds like an even *bigger* security hole |
| 15:23.22 | SynrGy | than what i had imagined, i mean |
| 15:23.38 | petn-randall | sine0: Yeah, sounds like you're going down the wrong path. What specifically are you trying to do? |
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| 15:25.04 | sine0 | its ok ill use vim. i have a headless debian server that i practice on from my windows laptop. I like the features of the notepad++ and i use winscp but its ok ill stick to using the putty terminal and vim |
| 15:25.23 | SynrGy | sine0: also investigate running an X server on windows |
| 15:25.35 | SynrGy | sine0: then you could use, e.g. gksudo gedit |
| 15:25.39 | SynrGy | or whatever you like |
| 15:25.41 | sine0 | security is not really a worry because its nothing professional but i do like best practices and to learn the correct way |
| 15:26.10 | SynrGy | sine0: for example, Xming |
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| 15:26.32 | SynrGy | sine0: then with openssh on windows (or putty), just ssh to the server with X forwarding |
| 15:26.45 | SynrGy | sine0: and within that shell, gksudo gedit /etc/mysystemfile.conf |
| 15:27.08 | sine0 | but i do not have a desktop install or x running |
| 15:27.09 | SynrGy | (or whatever your favourite linux gui text editor is) |
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| 15:27.13 | SynrGy | not necessary |
| 15:27.21 | SynrGy | X forwarding takes care of that. |
| 15:27.29 | sine0 | ok.. sounds good |
| 15:27.43 | SynrGy | you can happily run X clients from a system with no X server using ssh and X forwarding to your local Xserver running on windows |
| 15:27.51 | miskatonic | I don't need any GUI text editor whatsoever |
| 15:28.07 | SynrGy | well, different strokes for different folks ... here's a better example: |
| 15:28.17 | SynrGy | a three-way graphical merge tool like meld or so |
| 15:28.29 | SynrGy | those are tricky to do any other way |
| 15:28.46 | sine0 | SynrGy: |
| 15:28.53 | Tenkawa | whats the core set of debian packages I should add once I have sources reflecting both amd64 and i386 just to make sure I don't not boot properly |
| 15:28.53 | sine0 | so install Xming on my server |
| 15:28.58 | SynrGy | they can come in handy when you have /etc/mysystemfile.dpkg-old /etc/msystemfile /etc/mysystemfile.dpkg-new |
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| 15:29.13 | SynrGy | my* |
| 15:29.29 | SynrGy | sine0: you install Xming on your windows client |
| 15:29.36 | SynrGy | sine0: and also putty or openssh |
| 15:29.48 | SynrGy | you use putty or openssh to establish the X forwarding to the server |
| 15:29.53 | sine0 | im using putty with openssh key and pageant |
| 15:30.07 | SynrGy | the Xming serves as a display window for any GUI program you want to run on the server |
| 15:30.14 | SynrGy | you can test this with, e.g. "xeyes" |
| 15:30.21 | SynrGy | or any other X client installed on the server |
| 15:30.46 | SynrGy | once you pass that test, you need some sort of graphical sudo wrapper (i prefer gksudo) |
| 15:31.03 | SynrGy | and you use that to launch the actual gui editor with privs |
| 15:31.37 | SynrGy | well, there are possibly other ways to handle this without gksudo, but that's what i use. |
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| 15:36.06 | Tenkawa | anyone know the minimum package list I need to add amd64 support with to boot this 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland? |
| 15:40.23 | Brigo | Tenkawa, it should work without modification. |
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| 15:40.52 | Tenkawa | good |
| 15:41.08 | Tenkawa | Brigo: couldnt remember if there were any libc6 or other hiccups |
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| 15:41.43 | Brigo | Tenkawa, just try it :) |
| 15:41.47 | Tenkawa | I'll start converting the rest of the userland once I get it to boot up on the 64 bit kernel |
| 15:41.58 | Tenkawa | oh I'm going to try.. be sure of that |
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| 15:42.11 | Tenkawa | this machine is much more fun with linux on it |
| 15:42.29 | Brigo | Tenkawa, in debian you can have both userland at the same time. That is called multiarch support |
| 15:42.43 | iqu | Someone, take this credit card to the owner please: Lynn | Williams | AMEX | 372326050161008 | 736 | 04/2018 | | 12470 Olive Lane | Santa Fe Springs | California | | 90670 | Beyond Salt | 2137129463 | byspcatering@yahoo.com | United States |
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| 15:43.03 | Tenkawa | Brigo: duh good point |
| 15:43.25 | Brigo | https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit#Install_a_64-bit_kernel |
| 15:43.53 | Tenkawa | Brigo: thanks for the memory refresher |
| 15:43.56 | polyphagia | lol |
| 15:44.06 | Brigo | Tenkawa, np :) |
| 15:44.09 | Brigo | i have to go now. |
| 15:44.14 | Tenkawa | cheers |
| 15:46.08 | Tenkawa | now I just wait for this kernel to finish |
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| 15:53.17 | SkyFall | Is there possibility to remove systemd and install sysvinit on jessie? I am fed of systemd and i want to go back to good old times when i knew how to guide all the daemons~ |
| 15:53.45 | centrx | SkyFall, Install sysvinit and uninstall the systemd packages |
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| 15:54.10 | SkyFall | is it in repo? |
| 15:54.13 | centrx | yes |
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| 15:54.28 | jelly | SkyFall: just install sysvinit-core |
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| 15:54.35 | jelly | no need to remove stuff |
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| 15:55.35 | SkyFall | Thanks guys. I wanted to try out BSD due to things that are happening right now in linux. I think our developers are heading into bad direction. |
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| 15:56.29 | DammitJim | RoyK, does shred -v -n2 automatically do random data? |
| 15:56.41 | DammitJim | or do I have to specifically use --random-source ? |
| 15:56.55 | polyphagia | SkyFall: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
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| 15:57.18 | polyphagia | also debian has a version with the freebsd kernel if you wanted to try that out |
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| 15:58.36 | SkyFall | I dunno. I have to change my wifi card anyway. BSD kernels don't support it. |
| 15:59.01 | jelly | polyphagia: there's no need to remove systemd if the goal is merely to use sysvinit |
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| 16:16.18 | polyphagia | jelly: well he asked how to remove it |
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| 16:20.01 | bigfoot- | Hi. Any idea what could cause the iceweasel [35.0.1-1~bpo70+1 -> 36.0-1~bpo70+1] update (wheezy-backports i386) to throw "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" at me? |
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| 16:25.01 | p-trust | is it possible to `deboostrap` from a CD disk instead of an internet mirror ? I have debian CD and want to make a Live cd , but debootstrap prints errors and exits when I use mirror as "file:///media/cdrom/debian" |
| 16:25.13 | DammitJim | sorry I left RoyK |
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| 16:25.34 | RoyK | DammitJim: np |
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| 16:26.19 | RoyK | DammitJim: I just ran a test on a file, and shredding a 150kB file made shred read 2048 bytes and stripe those over the file (very quickly examined) |
| 16:26.47 | koolfy | hey, where are the mark-hold packages directives set ? (which file) |
| 16:26.55 | DammitJim | so, I don't need to specify --random-source? |
| 16:26.55 | koolfy | is it possible to set them directly into a file ? |
| 16:27.01 | RoyK | DammitJim: no |
| 16:27.09 | fraff | p-trust: yes it is, read EXAMPLES man section |
| 16:27.17 | Tenkawa | wish me luck all... if this goes well my tablet will be 64 bit when I reboot |
| 16:27.28 | RoyK | DammitJim: shred read those 2k of data from /dev/urandom |
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| 16:28.29 | RoyK | DammitJim: lemme take a closer look... ;) |
| 16:28.50 | DammitJim | RoyK, don't waste your time |
| 16:28.53 | DammitJim | I think we might be safe |
| 16:29.00 | RoyK | nah - not wasting time |
| 16:29.03 | RoyK | I just wonder |
| 16:29.07 | DammitJim | how do you read this? |
| 16:29.39 | centrx | You can't see the mystic messages in /dev/urandom? |
| 16:29.41 | RoyK | DammitJim: strace |
| 16:29.51 | p-trust | fraff, that's exactly what I did... there are errors |
| 16:29.52 | DammitJim | oh |
| 16:30.12 | p-trust | i'll paste 'em |
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| 16:30.52 | RoyK | DammitJim: it'd be fine to know... |
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| 16:31.00 | DammitJim | ok |
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| 16:37.36 | RoyK | DammitJim: that is, it seems it read 2k from /dev/urandom and then uses this to seed a standard software pseudo random generator - should suffice well |
| 16:37.51 | DammitJim | thank you sir! |
| 16:37.58 | RoyK | np |
| 16:38.08 | RoyK | then at least I know more about how the thing works :) |
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| 16:40.31 | DammitJim | I should learn to use strace |
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| 16:52.35 | p-trust | I do: deboostrap wheezy ./live file://media/cdrom/debian |
| 16:53.05 | p-trust | it returns: E: Failed getting release signature file file:///media/cdrom/debian/sists/wheezy/Release.gpg |
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| 16:57.31 | Mchammerdad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.49 | p-trust | well, this examplein man deboostrap is definitely wrong, doesn;'t work on cdrom |
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| 17:00.27 | petn-randall | !tell Mchammerdad -about anyone |
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| 17:00.41 | Tenkawa | well it appears that didnt work |
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| 17:01.01 | Tenkawa | the 64 bit kernel boots however immediately panics because /sbin/init isnt |
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| 17:01.52 | centrx | Tenkawa, Do you have to use multiarch to get the amd64 kernel now? |
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| 17:02.07 | Tenkawa | centrx: I built my own |
| 17:02.23 | Tenkawa | should I go back and try that first? |
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| 17:02.51 | Tenkawa | i may have missed a setting other than the obvious ones |
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| 17:03.49 | centrx | Tenkawa, "Using the 64-bit kernel for a 32-bit system may work, but there will probably be problems with loadable modules." - https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 17:04.14 | Tenkawa | centrx: I want to convert the userland too |
| 17:04.17 | Mchammerdad | Has anyone seen this in regards to trying to bootup an install iso on debian on vmware esxi: |
| 17:04.23 | Tenkawa | need to get it to boot first though |
| 17:04.29 | Mchammerdad | http://pbrd.co/1FsZi0V |
| 17:04.35 | centrx | Tenkawa, Did you see https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
| 17:04.45 | Tenkawa | let me look |
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| 17:05.39 | petn-randall | Mchammerdad: Link says "image not found". |
| 17:05.47 | Tenkawa | yeah I had read that actually.. thats what I was just about to work on |
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| 17:05.51 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 17:06.32 | p-trust | http://paste.debian.net/157057/ |
| 17:06.33 | Tenkawa | gotta get that kernel to boot first |
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| 17:06.38 | p-trust | how to fix this? |
| 17:06.51 | someone1996 | how I can add a custom boot parameter in grub.cfg and keep it through kernel updates? |
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| 17:07.06 | Eleth | /etc/default/grub |
| 17:08.19 | someone1996 | Thanks |
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| 17:09.46 | Tenkawa | ok here go... brb |
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| 17:11.36 | Tenkawa | much better |
| 17:11.49 | Tenkawa | yeah I definitely had something goofed up |
| 17:11.55 | Tenkawa | i'm on 64 bit kernel now |
| 17:12.12 | Tenkawa | now to convert stuff |
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| 17:15.31 | Tenkawa | ooh working nicely |
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| 17:17.02 | Tenkawa | here goes the crossgrade attempt |
| 17:17.14 | Tenkawa | this is neat |
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| 17:18.00 | RoyK | Tenkawa: converting from 32bit to 64bit worked? |
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| 17:18.16 | Tenkawa | RoyK: so far |
| 17:18.23 | RoyK | "crossgrade" is nice word for it |
| 17:18.30 | Tenkawa | i'm fighting depencies at the moment |
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| 17:18.46 | RoyK | not surprising :P |
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| 17:19.24 | Tenkawa | perl is the majority of the problem |
| 17:19.48 | RoyK | Tenkawa: doesn't surprise me much |
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| 17:20.37 | Tenkawa | neither I |
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| 17:21.49 | Tenkawa | ahh haaaa |
| 17:21.56 | RoyK | Tenkawa: I hope you have a good backup :P |
| 17:21.59 | RoyK | ok? |
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| 17:22.55 | Tenkawa | its about 10 i386 packages causing the conflict |
| 17:23.04 | Tenkawa | just need to switch them over |
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| 17:23.48 | sakujo_ | hey, why can't i find packages for devicekit? |
| 17:24.03 | sakujo_ | using jessie here |
| 17:24.28 | Tenkawa | this is going to take a while however I think it can be done |
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| 17:26.27 | Tenkawa | its workig |
| 17:26.31 | Tenkawa | working |
| 17:26.32 | Tenkawa | yay |
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| 17:27.24 | sakujo_ | ooooh DevKit is now named UDisks? |
| 17:28.01 | RoyK | Tenkawa: 'a while' is usually <2 minutes - contgrats :) |
| 17:28.17 | RoyK | s/\</\>/ |
| 17:28.21 | Tenkawa | only about 5 more packages to swap out |
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| 17:32.18 | Tenkawa | ok all of the i386 broken deps transferred |
| 17:32.28 | Tenkawa | now just have to straighten out the amd64 ones |
| 17:33.12 | RoyK | Tenkawa: I suspect I would have reinstalled instead of spending time on this ;) |
| 17:33.24 | Tenkawa | this is what I like doing |
| 17:33.30 | RoyK | ok :) |
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| 17:41.41 | Tenkawa | list is shrinking fairly rapidly :) |
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| 17:59.10 | telmich | good evening |
| 17:59.28 | telmich | I was wondering, what can be the issue for "lo" coming up with "ifup lo", but not having an ip address assigned? |
| 17:59.47 | telmich | I searched for it on the internet, but did not find any post describing this problem |
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| 18:01.40 | centrx | telmich, loopback is always 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 18:02.11 | telmich | centrx: there is *no* ip on the interface after setting it up |
| 18:02.23 | RoyK | centrx: and/or ::1 :P |
| 18:02.24 | telmich | i.e. ip addr show -> shows no ip on lo |
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| 18:03.02 | centrx | I'm still on IPv3 |
| 18:03.10 | RoyK | hehehehe |
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| 18:03.34 | Tenkawa | darn krb stuff |
| 18:03.35 | RoyK | centrx: did you mean IPv4? by any chance? ;) |
| 18:03.38 | Tenkawa | so intertwined |
| 18:03.42 | centrx | nope |
| 18:05.06 | RoyK | centrx: then you have a very peculiar network |
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| 18:10.26 | Tenkawa | convert convert convert |
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| 18:16.13 | Tenkawa | brb I hope |
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| 18:22.22 | pardelkat2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.26 | pardelkat2 | sorry |
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| 18:22.37 | pardelkat2 | didn't mean to have the space there |
| 18:23.23 | Ryushin | Anyone know of any open source software to do remote desktop support with? Kind of like join.me, showmypc.com, etc. |
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| 18:24.06 | l9 | teamview? |
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| 18:25.35 | Ryushin | I'm looking at deploying it for my business. I'd rather have open source then something closed source. |
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| 18:30.13 | polyphagia | Ryushin: VNC |
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| 18:32.09 | valdyn | Ryushin: not going to work, you need to firewall traversal mechanism, dont you |
| 18:32.46 | sakujo_ | hey i switched kodi from sysinitv to systemd. it used to start using start-stop-daemon --start -c $USER --background --pidfile $PID_FILE --make-pidfile --exec $DAEMON -- " /usr/local/bin/kodi --standalone -- :0". Now I use /usr/bin/xinit /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/local/bin/kodi-standalone -- :0 -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 18:32.57 | sakujo_ | before i switched, I could not poweroff/reboot/suspend |
| 18:33.08 | sakujo_ | i had to allow the user kodi to do these things using /etc/polkit-1 |
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| 18:33.26 | sakujo_ | now that i switched to systemd, i can poweroff and reboot but kodi does not list suspend anymore |
| 18:33.45 | Drugo | hello |
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| 18:35.04 | tremon | sakujo_: doesn't kodi run as root with that systemd invocation? |
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| 18:35.19 | Ryushin | valdyn: I thought I could do it with guacamole but that does not seem to be the case. I'm still digging. I'd like to run a daemon on my server that will act as a proxy between me and my customers to take control of their computers when needed. |
| 18:35.23 | sakujo_ | top shows it as user kodi |
| 18:35.52 | sakujo_ | the user and group are set up inside the kodi.service file |
| 18:36.04 | sakujo_ | this one: https://github.com/graysky2/kodi-standalone-service/blob/master/init/kodi.service |
| 18:36.41 | tremon | ok. Just pointing out a configuration difference, I don't think it has anything to do with your suspend issue |
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| 18:39.06 | sakujo_ | this is new: ERROR: DBus: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs - No such property CanSuspend |
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| 18:39.52 | DammitJim | after I did a dd for a bootable clonezilla live USB drive, I can't copy files to the USB drive |
| 18:40.01 | DammitJim | when I mount it, it says it is read only? |
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| 18:40.07 | DammitJim | how can I write to it? |
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| 18:42.31 | telmich | does anyone have any idea on how to debug why "ifup lo" does not setup 127.0.0.1 on lo? |
| 18:42.31 | Tenkawa | only a few packages left yay |
| 18:42.50 | tremon | sakujo_: do you have upower installed? |
| 18:42.55 | sakujo_ | yes |
| 18:43.01 | sakujo_ | i found a bug report i believe |
| 18:43.03 | sakujo_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767161 |
| 18:43.06 | sakujo_ | reading through it right now |
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| 18:43.30 | sakujo_ | but i run helix |
| 18:43.39 | sakujo_ | so i should have that patch as it appears to be upstream |
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| 18:46.24 | tremon | according to that bugreport, there should be a line "INFO: Selected $method as PowerSyscall". Which is detected on your system? |
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| 18:46.48 | DammitJim | can I copy a file using dd from my laptop to a usb drive? |
| 18:46.53 | bazhang | sakujo_, that? |
| 18:47.16 | sakujo_ | re |
| 18:47.17 | sakujo_ | sec |
| 18:47.42 | sakujo_ | Selected UPower as PowerSyscall |
| 18:47.44 | sakujo_ | i found something |
| 18:47.52 | Tenkawa | yay |
| 18:47.56 | Tenkawa | its converted :) |
| 18:48.13 | sakujo_ | just give all privileges to everyone using polkit see if it is a policy issue |
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| 18:48.19 | tremon | sakujo_: according to https://github.com/rbalint/xbmc/blob/master/xbmc/powermanagement/linux/LogindUPowerSyscall.cpp , you should be seeing "Selected Logind/UPower as PowerSyscall" |
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| 18:48.53 | sakujo_ | damn you were quick in the source |
| 18:48.56 | sakujo_ | are you familiar withit? |
| 18:49.36 | tremon | no, not really. I just followed the links from the bugreport to upstream, to the patchset :) |
| 18:50.12 | tremon | the commit that should have fixed this merely re-ordered the detection to try logind/upower first |
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| 18:50.40 | tremon | so either you don't have the patch yet, or it's not detecting logind for some reason |
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| 18:51.19 | Tenkawa | converting the rest of the i386 packages to amd64 |
| 18:51.25 | Tenkawa | so much nicer |
| 18:51.44 | Tenkawa | all this pain because of a 32 bit efi |
| 18:52.40 | x86iac | telmich: lo/localhost should be done automatically on boot .. did you change something |
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| 18:55.40 | telmich | x86iac: it is an image from opennebula - but even if I call "ifdown lo; ifup lo" I do not get the ip address assigned |
| 18:56.40 | telmich | I wonder, which part of ifup is actually assigning the ip to lo |
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| 18:56.51 | tremon | telmich: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:57.06 | x86iac | telmich: what? don't mess with lo |
| 18:57.13 | telmich | tremon: I know the two lines for loopback, but there is usually no ip address defined for lo |
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| 18:57.23 | x86iac | lo is 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:57.33 | x86iac | set it in the /etc/hosts |
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| 18:57.35 | tremon | telmich: ah, true. |
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| 18:57.50 | x86iac | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 18:57.57 | telmich | x86iac: I understand that perfectly. I would like to know, why "ifup lo" does not setup the ip on lo on my system |
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| 18:59.20 | Tenkawa | this is going to be wild |
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| 18:59.43 | Tenkawa | either going to go really well or blow up my install |
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| 19:00.05 | Tenkawa | either way its going to be fun |
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| 19:03.47 | abrotman | telmich: what's in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 19:11.37 | sakujo_ | tremon, apparently we removed the ability to suspend the system from upower in #debian-next as we prefer systemd now |
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| 19:13.38 | pardelkat2 | To upgrade to testing, do I just change "wheezy" to "jessie" in my sources.list? |
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| 19:14.06 | Tenkawa | bbiaf.. hopefully rebooting to a full 64 bit system now |
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| 19:14.36 | towo` | pardelkat2, no, ypu would even need apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after editing your sources |
| 19:15.08 | pardelkat2 | towo`: so I don't change wheezy to jessie? |
| 19:15.14 | pardelkat2 | or I do and then I update+upgrade? |
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| 19:15.43 | towo` | whats not understandable in the line "after you editing the sources"? |
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| 19:16.13 | sakujo_ | pardelkat2, you either change wheezy to jessie, if you want to stick to the next stable or you change it to testing if you want to keep testing (the one after jessie once jessie is stable) |
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| 19:16.27 | sakujo_ | but yes, simple as that. for every official entry even security-updates and backports and what have you |
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| 19:27.37 | Tenkawa | woohoo |
| 19:27.45 | Tenkawa | on full 64 bit system now |
| 19:28.17 | pardelkat2 | how hard would it be to do a fresh reinstall of debian if I mess something up badly and it renders the system useless |
| 19:28.26 | pardelkat2 | and is it really that hard to mess something up that badly |
| 19:28.33 | Tenkawa | cant belive i got it on the first try |
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| 19:29.52 | Tenkawa | sweet |
| 19:29.56 | petn-randall | pardelkat2: Just as hard as the installation the first time around. |
| 19:30.02 | Tenkawa | now I can even run vmware on here |
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| 19:30.14 | Tenkawa | no need for a native boot to windows |
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| 19:31.07 | greycat | Hopefully your second installation will be easier than the first one, because you learned something. |
| 19:31.25 | DammitJim | is there a special way to use dd so that it doesn't make the file system on the destination read only? |
| 19:31.33 | vook | I had some filesystem problems recently (reiserfs), and after rebuilt-tree, they seem to be fixed. However, I have nearly 32,000 files in lost+found. Do those files remain there after problems are resolved or is it a sign that problems still exist? |
| 19:31.45 | tremon | DammitJim: dd doesn't care about filesystems |
| 19:31.49 | telmich | abrotman: auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:32.34 | DammitJim | tremon, I guess that's where I'm confused... why is it that when I dd if=gparted-live.iso of=/dev/sdb; sync |
| 19:32.39 | DammitJim | it made the USB drive read only? |
| 19:33.04 | greycat | ISO 9660 file systes are read-only |
| 19:33.08 | Rubin | vook, resolving the problems is what puts them there. they were orphaned inodes and now they aren't orphaned anymore |
| 19:33.12 | tremon | DammitJim: what does that mean, "made usb drive read-only"? You can dd to it succesfully once, but after that dd fails? |
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| 19:33.30 | Rubin | vook, they may be bits of nothing, but they could also be your actual files which only exist there now |
| 19:33.34 | DammitJim | tremon, no, after it is done and I plug it into another machine, I cannot write files to it anymore |
| 19:33.52 | tremon | DammitJim: see what greycat wrote |
| 19:34.10 | vook | Rubin: ok, thanks |
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| 19:35.04 | DammitJim | greycat, thank you... that explains it!!! |
| 19:35.07 | DammitJim | is that from the iso? |
| 19:35.23 | greycat | To modify an .iso image, you have to recreate the whole thing. |
| 19:35.53 | DammitJim | ok, so I should probably just add the file to the iso image |
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| 19:35.57 | DammitJim | any tools to do that? |
| 19:36.12 | abrotman | telmich: and 'ifup lo' does what? |
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| 19:36.23 | DammitJim | oh, I should just mount -o loop the iso, huh? |
| 19:36.35 | greycat | Typically you would mount the .iso image via loopback (read only), then copy all the files to a writable file system, then make the changes, then rerun mkisofs (or whatever you use) to create a new .iso image. |
| 19:36.54 | DammitJim | thanks greycat.... I am a little rusty with iso stuff |
| 19:37.21 | tremon | DammitJim: mount -o loop still won't allow you to edit the iso. You need cd/dvd authoring tools (like mkisofs, or k3b) |
| 19:38.08 | DammitJim | no, I need to copy the stuff out of it |
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| 19:38.17 | DammitJim | and then create the iso again from the new destination treaki |
| 19:38.21 | DammitJim | tremon, |
| 19:38.25 | tremon | yes |
| 19:38.48 | x86iac | DammitJim: mount -o loop ./image.iso /mntpoint |
| 19:39.59 | tremon | DammitJim: the additional complication is that your original iso is most likely bootable, so you need to make sure your newly created .iso is bootable as well. I'm unsure how you should do that though |
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| 19:43.19 | DammitJim | oh yeah |
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| 19:43.56 | Tenkawa | darn wish I could get this sdio wireless nic working |
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| 19:44.15 | x86iac | Tenkawa: does it need firmware? |
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| 19:44.50 | Tenkawa | x86iac: I cant even see the hardware itself although I'd assume yes |
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| 19:45.37 | x86iac | lspci/lsusb check in dmesg /var/log/messages or other log files when plug/unplug it |
| 19:45.53 | Tenkawa | its built in |
| 19:45.54 | Tenkawa | sdio |
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| 19:46.00 | Tenkawa | not usb |
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| 19:46.33 | Tenkawa | i'm currently running through a usb plugged in nic |
| 19:46.35 | x86iac | it still needs a bus |
| 19:46.40 | Tenkawa | agreed |
| 19:46.57 | Tenkawa | let me see if anyone has popped up now that its all 64 bit |
| 19:47.05 | x86iac | check bios also to make sure it is activated |
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| 19:47.37 | Tenkawa | its a very simplistic bios |
| 19:47.42 | Tenkawa | it wif'ed fine in win10 |
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| 19:48.45 | m30presencial | i do not want to install jxself's linux-libre on my wheezy computer. The whole process is nowadays way too complicated. is there an alternative repo to install a 3.19 linux-libre deb |
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| 19:49.14 | Tenkawa | I'll work on X in the meantime |
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| 19:50.31 | Tenkawa | see how crazy thats going to be |
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| 19:52.56 | travisgriggs | i have questions about systemd and Debian Jessie⦠we configure Jessie to run on an (semi)embedded ARM with systemd. But it seems to do a lot of traditional logging in syslogging. In fact, my daemon.log keeps filling my limited disk. Can systemd journal facilities just replace all of those logs? |
| 19:53.04 | travisgriggs | i like systemd/journal a lot. But I find it confusing to figure out where Debian is at on their path of distribution, and what options I really have |
| 19:53.18 | travisgriggs | s/distribution/adoption/ |
| 19:53.20 | abrotman | travisgriggs: Does that depend on the daemon? |
| 19:54.11 | travisgriggs | abrotman: I donât know. My level of understanding about the intracies of these services is limited |
| 19:54.23 | travisgriggs | (but Iâm willing to learn) |
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| 19:56.47 | Tenkawa | wow |
| 19:56.51 | Tenkawa | that was easy |
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| 19:58.48 | xaa | hi, I am manage a webserver with Virtualmin. I have a sudo user for the admin task but using $ls /home/userxx is denied. Do you know how may I change this ? so userx has group userx + www-data a secondary group |
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| 20:00.11 | OSVG | You could make a third group that contains all the users from group1 and group2, but I don't believe you can have two groups on the same ownership. |
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| 20:01.13 | xaa | and this will be safe ? I mean I just want only one user to be able to see the /home/userxx |
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| 20:01.21 | Tenkawa | sweet |
| 20:01.28 | OSVG | Then just add one user to the group that is already in ownership. |
| 20:01.28 | Tenkawa | x is working perfectly |
| 20:01.59 | Tenkawa | time to get this system backed up |
| 20:02.01 | Tenkawa | haaahaaa |
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| 20:02.29 | RoyK | Tenkawa: backup is for cowards :D |
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| 20:03.18 | Tenkawa | RoyK: call me a coward then haahaa |
| 20:03.24 | RoyK | :) |
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| 20:03.41 | Tenkawa | RoyK: I cant believe I switched it to multiarch so cleanly on first try |
| 20:03.51 | RoyK | Tenkawa++ |
| 20:04.07 | Tenkawa | mind you ive done it on boxes in the past but its been a WHILE |
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| 20:04.29 | Tenkawa | being able to run vmware will be nice |
| 20:04.39 | Tenkawa | instead of dual booting |
| 20:05.10 | RoyK | Tenkawa: kvm is nice |
| 20:05.57 | Tenkawa | kvm and I had disagreements in the past |
| 20:06.04 | Tenkawa | however might be worth trying again |
| 20:06.11 | RoyK | it works |
| 20:06.21 | RoyK | it has issues, but so has everything else |
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| 20:07.14 | Tenkawa | indeed |
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| 20:14.24 | DammitJim | man, I thought I could do an grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --root-directory=/media/usb0 /dev/sdb to make it bootable |
| 20:14.28 | DammitJim | obvsiously it didn't work :( |
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| 20:18.30 | queso | Hello, I am running Wheezy and I have iceweasel release installed from mozilla.debian.net. A new version is available but now aptitude is saying it's from an untrusted source and warning me not to download. Has the certificate changed or something? (If there is another channel I need to ask for support in, please let me know.) Thanks. |
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| 20:20.03 | petn-randall | queso: aWhat is the output of 'apt-get update'? |
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| 20:20.45 | queso | petn-randall: There are no warnings or errors when I run apt-get update. |
| 20:21.18 | queso | petn-randall: Hit http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release amd64 Packages |
| 20:21.25 | teraflops | queso: if it complains about the keyring just install the new one |
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| 20:21.40 | petn-randall | queso: Can you paste the output of 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install iceweasel' to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 20:21.47 | DammitJim | weird... mkisofs isn't in jessie? |
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| 20:22.04 | abrotman | queso: are there other packages out of date? like the keyring package? |
| 20:22.20 | greycat | DammitJim: it's probably part of some other package |
| 20:22.40 | queso | abrotman: keyring package is not out of date. |
| 20:22.41 | DammitJim | google says genisofs, but I can't find that either |
| 20:22.47 | queso | petn-randall: Sure, one minute |
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| 20:24.12 | polyphagia | what rewrote my /etc/resolv.conf? i don't have the resolvconf program installed |
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| 20:24.47 | polyphagia | oh maybe i do lol my bad |
| 20:25.16 | greycat | DammitJim: some history: the Debian maintainers and the author of cdrtools (where mkisofs is from) had a "falling out" many years ago. cdrtools (formerly known as cdrecord) is Free now, but was not always Free. Nevertheless, Debian hasn't included it due to the personality clashes with the author. |
| 20:25.22 | DammitJim | xorriso |
| 20:25.38 | DammitJim | politics |
| 20:25.48 | Tenkawa | quit |
| 20:25.50 | DammitJim | I don't get into them, but thanks for the history |
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| 20:26.03 | queso | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/157137/ |
| 20:26.14 | teraflops | DammitJim: give a try to apt-file |
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| 20:27.06 | teraflops | DammitJim: once intalled and updated just write `apt-file search mkisofs` |
| 20:27.27 | greycat | !find mkisofs wheezy |
| 20:27.31 | DammitJim | teraflops, I've used it before |
| 20:27.37 | DammitJim | !find mkisofs jessie |
| 20:27.52 | DammitJim | updating debian files please wait... |
| 20:28.00 | petn-randall | queso: I'm confused. 'apt-get update' should complain if it couldn't verify the signature. |
| 20:28.07 | DammitJim | I"m learning how to use xorriso |
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| 20:28.43 | teraflops | DammitJim: heh it sounds like _chorizo_ |
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| 20:29.06 | DammitJim | I'm hungry now |
| 20:29.14 | queso | petn-randall: There is no complaint. And aptitude itself only complains if I tell it to upgrade the package. |
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| 20:30.16 | petn-randall | queso: Check the key as explained on http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 20:36.23 | teraflops | !find genisoimage wheezy |
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| 20:37.20 | bazhang | ,v genisoimage |
| 20:37.21 | judd | Package: genisoimage on i386 -- squeeze: 9:1.1.11-1; wheezy: 9:1.1.11-2; jessie: 9:1.1.11-3; sid: 9:1.1.11-3 |
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| 20:37.29 | queso | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4c0e63f8/ Not sure what else I'm supposed to do. |
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| 20:38.12 | teraflops | thanks bazhang |
| 20:38.22 | bazhang | np |
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| 20:40.25 | SkyFall | is there debian sid for rpi? .w. |
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| 20:40.56 | stylica | ho |
| 20:41.01 | stylica | ah, I am voiced again |
| 20:41.03 | stylica | good |
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| 20:42.48 | teraflops | SkyFall: i think there is debian for arm 6 (pi) and for sure there is for arm 7 |
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| 20:43.53 | Tenkawa | yay vmware up and running too now |
| 20:43.58 | queso | petn-randall: Added the key manually with wget -qO - http://mozilla.debian.net/archive.asc | sudo apt-key add - Still the same problem. |
| 20:44.08 | Tenkawa | only thing I have left are these sdio devices |
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| 20:44.32 | petn-randall | queso: What does 'apt-cache policy iceweasel' give you? |
| 20:44.41 | SkyFall | teraflops: is there any ready rootfs or i need to install wheezy and then change repos? |
| 20:45.03 | greycat | Sid has never been directly installable. |
| 20:45.35 | Tenkawa | greycat: snapshots have been from time to time havent they? |
| 20:45.40 | teraflops | SkyFall: uhm i do not remember but now I remember adding the wheezy repos to a raspbian install for getting xmonad |
| 20:46.03 | greycat | Tenkawa: I doubt they were officially produced... |
| 20:46.16 | Tenkawa | good point |
| 20:46.47 | teraflops | SkyFall: sorry i just left the pi for multimedia stuff time ago and I have bad memory |
| 20:46.50 | queso | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/52fc75bc/ |
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| 20:47.52 | SkyFall | okay. for me youtube on raspbmc doesn't work so i don't even bother |
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| 20:49.21 | amizya | Hello guys, about systemd in Jessie. Will it cause problems in upgrading from wheezy ? |
| 20:49.29 | teraflops | SkyFall: if you want kodi give a try to openelec |
| 20:49.39 | amizya | Or what are the problems that can appear if I do the upgrade |
| 20:49.55 | amizya | is a little worried about it :/ |
| 20:50.04 | mtn | amizya: I have done it several times with no problems |
| 20:50.29 | DammitJim | dammit! I wanted to add a file to the iso for gparted, but I didn't realize it was going to bury the file within 5 folders |
| 20:50.30 | DammitJim | lol |
| 20:50.52 | mtn | amizya: debian is usually rock solid and I don't expect to be any different for jessie |
| 20:50.58 | DammitJim | what is the simplest way to create a bootable usb where I can just run shred in a script? |
| 20:51.01 | SkyFall | teraflops: I will search for sid first to see how it performs under wayland~ |
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| 20:51.46 | amizya | mnt did you have some custom init scripts or something ? |
| 20:52.07 | SkyFall | systemd is evil imo .w. |
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| 20:52.37 | Tenkawa | ughh systemd |
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| 20:53.33 | teraflops | SkyFall: it is offtopic anyway after being warned i think it worths to take a look at the maynard desktop that comes in raspbian |
| 20:53.41 | teraflops | before* |
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| 20:54.46 | SkyFall | maynard is incomplete. raspbian is ot? okay. won't mention it again |
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| 20:57.12 | Tenkawa | thiking I'm out of luck for a while on this sdio driver |
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| 21:03.28 | Tenkawa | interesting |
| 21:03.49 | Tenkawa | acpitool shows the device as disabled |
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| 21:06.36 | Tenkawa | time for more compiling |
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| 21:07.28 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 21:09.02 | asterismo | i'm trying to boot up a debian kernel 686-pae on an intel Xeon E3 quad core processor with no luck |
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| 21:09.53 | asterismo | the system was installed on a dual core E5300 and i used the same hard drive |
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| 21:10.38 | asterismo | i installed intel-microcode and linux firmware non-free with no luck |
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| 21:10.53 | asterismo | any ideas or suggestions? |
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| 21:12.23 | Samizdatguy | I'm trying to upgrade my dedi and I'm getting: |
| 21:12.30 | Samizdatguy | grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding. $ grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged. |
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| 21:13.05 | Samizdatguy | It's a managed server. |
| 21:14.27 | Tenkawa | asterismo: errors? |
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| 21:15.08 | Samizdatguy | Can I purge grub from my partition? |
| 21:15.19 | Samizdatguy | Or am I totally offbase? |
| 21:15.21 | Tenkawa | just need some info to debug with |
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| 21:15.34 | Samizdatguy | Tenkawa: You talking to me? |
| 21:15.35 | Tenkawa | Samizdatguy: What bootloader does it use |
| 21:15.37 | eKyNoX | Hello guys |
| 21:15.47 | Samizdatguy | How do I check, Tenkawa? |
| 21:15.58 | Tenkawa | Samizdatguy: no the other one was directed to asterismo |
| 21:16.05 | Samizdatguy | :) |
| 21:16.24 | Tenkawa | Samizdatguy: when you boot does it show grub? |
| 21:16.30 | Tenkawa | blueish screen |
| 21:16.34 | petn-randall | Samizdatguy: You can purge it, but you need a bootloader to boot from. |
| 21:16.42 | Samizdatguy | I don't boot, it's a dedi. |
| 21:16.52 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 21:17.00 | petn-randall | Samizdatguy: A dedicated root server? It does boot. |
| 21:17.13 | Samizdatguy | ofc it boots, but not in front of me. :) |
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| 21:17.29 | Tenkawa | I wouldnt touch that package unless you know what its doing |
| 21:17.48 | petn-randall | Samizdatguy: For booting it's irrelevant if you stand in front of it or not ... |
| 21:18.09 | Tenkawa | indeed |
| 21:18.13 | Samizdatguy | hmm, I'm trying to install a server script and the upgrade error screws up the script. |
| 21:18.31 | Tenkawa | petn-randall: I wonder if its one of those pseudo vms |
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| 21:18.43 | cyberkryption | anyone tell me what the three numbers after the hash in uname-a mean? |
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| 21:18.48 | Samizdatguy | I know it boots, guys. |
| 21:18.53 | Tenkawa | Samizdatguy: do you know what the backend sever is? kvm, xen, vmware? |
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| 21:19.03 | asterismo | what log files should i inspect? |
| 21:19.15 | Tenkawa | Samizdatguy: i'm asking for a specific reason |
| 21:19.36 | Samizdatguy | Tenkawa: How can I check? |
| 21:19.43 | Tenkawa | asterismo: you said it doesnt boot though right? |
| 21:19.48 | Tenkawa | asterismo: what do you see |
| 21:20.00 | asterismo | i canr |
| 21:20.27 | asterismo | cant access the server because i rebooted it and it nevee came up on ssh |
| 21:20.36 | Tenkawa | without any kind of output its hard to speculate at all |
| 21:20.58 | Tenkawa | it may be a cpu instruction preventing it from booting... device path... ettc.. etc |
| 21:21.12 | asterismo | the last thing i did was install intel-microcode and the 686-pae kernel |
| 21:21.13 | Tenkawa | got to have errorss/output to even speculate |
| 21:21.25 | Tenkawa | thats nowhere near enough infoi |
| 21:21.29 | Samizdatguy | I had ssh freeze on me before. Is that possible for asterismo? |
| 21:21.37 | Tenkawa | since thats the core of the system |
| 21:21.39 | asterismo | so it ended up on top of the kernel list and it tried that one with no luck |
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| 21:21.57 | Tenkawa | asterismo: does it respond to ping |
| 21:22.52 | Tenkawa | sounds like its stuck booting somewhere |
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| 21:23.22 | Tenkawa | thats where the console is really needed (or a pseudo console) |
| 21:23.34 | stylica | Latency check now: |
| 21:23.35 | Tenkawa | thats what I dont like about most remote sites |
| 21:23.42 | stylica | Who hates systemd? |
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| 21:24.09 | asterismo | yes it responds to ping |
| 21:24.15 | Samizdatguy | heh |
| 21:24.18 | Samizdatguy | ssh |
| 21:24.23 | asterismo | but i have no ssh or apache or jabber |
| 21:24.29 | Tenkawa | asterismo: hmm |
| 21:24.42 | Tenkawa | what happens if you telnet to the ip port 22 |
| 21:24.53 | Tenkawa | ie: telnet host 22 |
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| 21:24.55 | asterismo | how i do that? |
| 21:25.02 | Tenkawa | from commm=and line |
| 21:25.03 | Tenkawa | er command |
| 21:25.12 | petn-randall | cyberkryption: I don't have any hash in the output. |
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| 21:25.56 | asterismo | no route to host |
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| 21:27.11 | Samizdatguy | What command did you use, asterismo? |
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| 21:28.45 | asterismo | telnet host 22 |
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| 21:29.17 | Samizdatguy | idk, but I think you need you host: asterismo.badass.org or w/e |
| 21:29.25 | Samizdatguy | your* |
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| 21:30.10 | asterismo | telnet myhostip 22 |
| 21:30.26 | Samizdatguy | I think so. idk much |
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| 21:31.37 | queso | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/52fc75bc/ |
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| 21:32.23 | cyberkryption | petn-randall - i found out the hash means that it is the number of times the kernel was built from it's source tree |
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| 21:34.43 | Tenkawa | Samizdatguy: you can use host or ip to telnet as long as its listening on the ip referenced |
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| 21:35.04 | Tenkawa | Samizdatguy: however without a console its going to be hard to speculate a fix |
| 21:35.18 | Samizdatguy | Ah, mkay. How do I write to the MBR, Tenkawa? |
| 21:35.39 | Tenkawa | what do you want to write? |
| 21:35.45 | Samizdatguy | grub-pc |
| 21:35.49 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 21:35.51 | Samizdatguy | Or, upgrade, |
| 21:36.09 | Tenkawa | man grub-install |
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| 21:36.19 | Samizdatguy | mkay, thanks. |
| 21:36.23 | Tenkawa | update-grub can update the config later |
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| 21:42.17 | Tenkawa | anyone very familiar with baytrail cpu specifics? |
| 21:42.28 | Tenkawa | features/extensions/etc supported |
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| 21:42.49 | jhutchins | asterismo: if it pings, it has a route. |
| 21:42.58 | Tenkawa | the cpuflag list in /proc/cpuinfo is huge |
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| 21:43.22 | jhutchins | asterismo: You don't have physical access? |
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| 21:43.40 | Tenkawa | jhutchins: thats what its sounding like |
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| 21:44.17 | Tenkawa | which makes debuugging this very hard |
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| 21:45.14 | Contrl | I'm wanting to setup a joystick as a mouse and have no clue where to start. How would I be able to do this on Jessie? |
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| 21:46.49 | jhutchins | Contrl: It probably wouldn't be release specific, just a generic linux task. |
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| 21:49.21 | asterismo | do not have access right now |
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| 21:50.12 | Contrl | jhutchins: Do you have a link handy or know of what I should look up? No clue what I'm doing really. |
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| 21:51.19 | Tenkawa | Contrl: you should probably search on kernel.org for the input subsystem stuff on controllers (joysticks/etc) |
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| 21:52.04 | jhutchins | Contrl: xserver-xorg-input-joystick joystick |
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| 21:53.17 | jhutchins | Contrl: No, I did a quick google and found more references on how to disable it. |
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| 21:53.35 | Contrl | Awesome. Now, there are some buttons I want to use on the joystick as part of a keyboard as well ( WASD for example ). Is it possible to have one device show up as a mouse AND a keyboard or not so much? |
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| 22:00.29 | jhutchins | Contrl: You can assign functions to the buttons using xorg.config files. |
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| 22:17.54 | stefunel | how come on a minimal debian install gcc is also installed? |
| 22:18.35 | nkuttler | stefunel: that shouldn't happen. you probably installed some development task or package or something |
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| 22:20.22 | stefunel | nkuttler: i got gcc 4.7 on it⦠|
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| 22:21.51 | nkuttler | stefunel: aptitude why <pkg> might tell you |
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| 22:22.09 | stefunel | nkuttler: am trying to make a preseed for an absolute minimal installation and all the time i see it installed |
| 22:22.12 | stefunel | ok, let me check |
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| 22:23.25 | stefunel | nkuttler: it's telling me that libstdc++6 needs it |
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| 22:25.04 | eric23 | I have neither of those installed |
| 22:25.11 | nkuttler | stefunel: why is that installed? |
| 22:25.20 | Tenkawa | cheers all.. time to run |
| 22:25.35 | stefunel | seems that's a dep from libboost, crazy, let me check where this stuff is coming from |
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| 22:25.57 | nkuttler | stefunel: or just try removing gcc and see what else it removes ;) |
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| 22:26.21 | nkuttler | a little odd that libs would depend on a compiler i guess |
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| 22:43.56 | phy1729 | Then why is your name Aaron? |
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| 22:47.26 | knosys | hello guys, do someone use netbeans 8 here? |
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| 22:47.36 | knosys | With debian OS I mean, just to be clear |
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| 22:51.31 | stefunel | nkuttler: from what i can see, aptitude => libxapian22 => libstdc++6 => gcc-base-4,7 |
| 22:51.33 | stefunel | something like that |
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| 22:51.47 | nkuttler | stefunel: interesting, no idea tbh |
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| 22:52.17 | AdNauseaum | hi im richard stallman ask me anything |
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| 22:55.35 | mint | Hi. Yesterday, my linux refused to boot, and from a liveusb I discovered that my home repository was empty. It's really weird, because df tells me it is not.. Can anyone have a look at this log and tell me what might be going on ? http://sprunge.us/Radh |
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| 22:56.42 | lhx | Hi all, trying to secure a new debian wheezy box, noticing a lot of services listening on udp that I'm not aware of. 4 are dhclient on 3828, 10579, and two bootpc ports and ipv6 54818 and 21058. Also a minissdpd service is running on 1900. This is on a headless server... what gives? And how to either get these to listen on localhost only, or to stop is my question. I don't want to just slap a firewall on it, |
| 22:56.45 | lhx | that's already there. |
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| 22:58.42 | Brigo | lhx, dhclient are launched for configuring network interfaces. |
| 22:59.02 | Mchammerdad | so I tried to add some attributes to fstab on my root partition, now it boots into read only mode. Anyone got a quick fix? |
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| 22:59.12 | lhx | Brigo: ok, but why are they listening to the world? That's a security risk |
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| 22:59.43 | Brigo | lhx, because they do not know where the server is. |
| 23:00.08 | Brigo | Mchammerdad, try to paste the fstab line you have modified. |
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| 23:00.38 | Brigo | lhx, but 4 looks like a quite too much, don't you think? |
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| 23:00.58 | Mchammerdad | I put : "er_xattr" |
| 23:01.03 | Mchammerdad | instead of "user_xattr" |
| 23:01.28 | lhx | Brigo: http://pastebin.com/Xv0EeN0p |
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| 23:06.05 | Brigo | lhx, how do you get that output? |
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| 23:06.55 | lhx | Brigo: sudo netstat -lptu |
| 23:07.05 | lhx | assuming you have sudo set up... otehrwise needs to run by root |
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| 23:09.42 | Brigo | lhx, note you have only 2 dhclients listening (look at PIDs) |
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| 23:11.35 | x86iac | you might want to replace dhclient with dhcpcd - it has more functionality and you can't run two instances at the same time ;) |
| 23:12.15 | Brigo | lhx, and i don't know what minissdpd is. |
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| 23:18.14 | srg | Hi guys. So I have a few debian systems. My main one runs a fully-fledged mail server. I want to setup a light-weight system to handle forwarding of mail from cron to my account on my main mail server. What's an easy way to do this? |
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| 23:18.50 | srg | I was looking into using msmtp on the systems to connect to my main mail server, but I'm running into problems using it to AUTH |
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| 23:20.44 | srg | Should I just run postfix, set it not to listen on any ports, and then use ~/.forward to send mail to my main system? |
| 23:21.10 | srg | That seems like overkill to me. I just wanna read some cron script output on my main mail accoutn |
| 23:21.24 | nkuttler | srg: i use ssmtp |
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| 23:23.00 | srg | I'll check it out, thanks nkuttler |
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| 23:24.04 | teraflops | srg: tried to grab the mail certs to the msmtp machine? |
| 23:24.58 | srg | hm/ |
| 23:25.00 | srg | ? |
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| 23:25.44 | teraflops | srg: runnig into auth issues, what kind of ayht issues since the more common one is msmtp complaining about the certificates |
| 23:26.38 | cerebro | anybody here using "unison" to keep multiple files systems in sync? |
| 23:26.40 | srg | I got the certificate fingerprint, but I'm not sure how to get it to deliver mail. I looked into having it AUTH over my submission port, but then I'd store my password in plaintext world readable |
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| 23:27.26 | cerebro | anyone have other recommendations for this purpose (outside of "rsync")? |
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| 23:32.09 | teraflops | srg: are you using selfsigned certs? it just might work with the fingerprint |
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| 23:34.56 | teraflops | srg: I suppose as the man says, hmm, I use certs from a trusted cert auth though |
| 23:35.11 | srg | hm |
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| 23:35.15 | srg | Let me play around more with it |
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| 23:39.24 | s3a | Could someone help me get this (or any other random website using WebRTC) to work in debian please?: https://appear.in/testing_in_debian?video=off |
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| 23:41.47 | srg | nkuttler / teraflops: Do you have msmtp-mta installed? or just msmtp? I'm not sure if I need -mta or not. |
| 23:43.12 | srg | Hm, bsd-mailx depends on msmtp-mta, so I guess I do need it for mailx? |
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| 23:45.55 | lhx | cerebro: unison is just fine... but if doing more than 2 comps, you need do a "star" or "hub and spoke" config with one central server as the truth |
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| 23:55.35 | teraflops | srg: i do not use msmtp on debian, said that i have msmtp-mta installed |
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| 23:56.56 | teraflops | s/said that/that said |
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| 23:58.55 | dimitry7 | Hi guys.... I use ALSA for my audio, speakers and microphone, and the quality of both it's pretty poor |
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| 23:59.12 | dimitry7 | is there any other driver to use on debian for this? thank you! |
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