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| 00:07.15 | x86iac | dimitry7: it isn't the driver - try earphones or something to see if it is the speakers |
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| 00:09.34 | cerebro | thanks lhx |
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| 00:10.35 | dimitry7 | x86iac, this is a new laptop |
| 00:10.43 | dimitry7 | its Dell Latitude e6440 |
| 00:10.51 | dimitry7 | Jessie installed yesterday |
| 00:10.55 | x86iac | so? what does new have to do with it |
| 00:11.10 | dimitry7 | I have tried 3 different earphones |
| 00:11.42 | dimitry7 | x86iac, may be the software? |
| 00:11.46 | dimitry7 | I am using linphone |
| 00:11.51 | dimitry7 | with skype I had no problem |
| 00:12.06 | dimitry7 | but I need linphone for calls |
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| 00:17.10 | x86iac | dimitry7: only thing possible is you are using the wrong driver ? or it is the hardware itself |
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| 00:18.04 | dimitry7 | x86iac, but it works well with skype.. |
| 00:18.07 | lhx | Brigo: i got rid of the dhclient stuff; I just changed my dhcp client daemon to udhcpc and uninstalled the other crap. (probably not something you should do on a desktop box) |
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| 00:31.51 | aspect | udhcpc >> dhclient |
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| 00:32.10 | abrotman | dimitry7: if oyu're using Pulse, different apps can have different volumes |
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| 00:35.38 | x86iac | dhcpcd >>>>> udhcpc > dhclient |
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| 02:13.52 | guest_ | i have no MAKEDEV ! |
| 02:14.12 | guest_ | anyone know why ? |
| 02:14.50 | themill | MAKEDEV hasn't been needed for over a decade |
| 02:15.23 | guest_ | themill so how can i make /dev/hd* ? |
| 02:15.44 | themill | You shouldn't (on two counts). |
| 02:15.50 | themill | What are you really trying to achieve. |
| 02:16.26 | x86iac | guest_: i think you are really wanting /dev/sd* |
| 02:16.34 | x86iac | which one you wanting |
| 02:16.50 | x86iac | probably starting with sdb? |
| 02:16.55 | guest_ | what differance does it make "why" and no i do not want sd* |
| 02:17.02 | themill | *shrug* |
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| 02:17.53 | guest_ | mknod should do it. if i knew the numbers... to google we go |
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| 02:18.29 | x86iac | has google hide the numbers |
| 02:18.54 | themill | Creating devices for hardware that doesn't exist is unlikely to be productive. |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | guest_: what are you actually trying to do? and why won't you just let the kernel do it? |
| 02:19.21 | guest_ | hardware that doesn't exist hehhe yeah right. |
| 02:19.33 | guest_ | mount my root fs |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | guest_: are you trying to say you want to mount your / from a HDD that your kernel doesn't see, and oyu're going to create a magical device and do it yourself? |
| 02:20.44 | themill | It has been many years since a hard disk was called "hdX" in linux. |
| 02:21.12 | guest_ | abrotman yeah new kernel failed to mount rootfs and no /dev/hd* i "could" use scsi crap, but that's not the intent. |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | said HDD, unrelated to devices |
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| 02:21.24 | wod1m | themill, not that many |
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| 02:21.42 | wod1m | maybe 7 ? |
| 02:21.43 | themill | wod1m: 2 stable releases of debian... |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | guest_: how is this related to Debian? |
| 02:21.48 | themill | that's a long time |
| 02:21.52 | wod1m | heh |
| 02:21.53 | wod1m | :) |
| 02:21.57 | guest_ | in dog years |
| 02:22.02 | wod1m | is getting old. |
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| 02:23.31 | x86iac | won't his mythical hd* be removed on shutdown any way and not recreated on reboot? |
| 02:23.41 | guest_ | it is b 3 0 hmmm still something i'm missing... module maybe. |
| 02:23.50 | abrotman | guest_: how is this related to Debian? |
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| 02:24.15 | guest_ | abrotman i guess it's not. |
| 02:24.22 | abrotman | Thought not |
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| 02:29.48 | _2_mimi1122 | hello |
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| 02:34.13 | wod1m | how do i install ffmpeg currently ? |
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| 02:34.48 | abrotman | in which version of Debian? |
| 02:36.15 | wod1m | 8.0 |
| 02:36.21 | wod1m | hmm |
| 02:36.30 | wod1m | "testing" |
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| 02:37.12 | abrotman | judd: versions ffmpeg |
| 02:37.13 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.16-dmo1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.16-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.16-1; sid: 7:2.5.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.5.4-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.5.4-dmo1 |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | thought it was in jessie as a transitional? |
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| 02:37.49 | wod1m | that is deb-multimedia ? |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wod1m about dmm |
| 02:38.12 | wod1m | yeah, tell me. |
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| 02:38.26 | wod1m | cool, thanks. |
| 02:39.41 | themill | libav from Debian makes a better choice than ffmpeg from deb-multimedia |
| 02:40.38 | wod1m | i'll explore that, but ffmpeg is what i have been using for years |
| 02:41.35 | themill | I wouldn't touch deb-multimedia packages with a barge-poll |
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| 02:43.05 | themill | You'll find that if your old ffmpeg using scripts actually work with the newer ffmpeg then they will also work with avconv; ffmpeg doesn't have a stable command-line interface by a long way so if you've got to redo work then you may as well ditch ffmpeg |
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| 02:44.22 | wod1m | is libav a fork or something? |
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| 04:04.46 | lister | anyone know why apt doesn't work on a fresh install? i have edited sources.list to use ftp.debian.org |
| 04:05.06 | cra1g321 | lister can u ping hosts ? |
| 04:05.10 | lister | yep |
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| 04:05.19 | cra1g321 | paste sources.list file for us |
| 04:05.23 | dvs | !ftp.debian.org |
| 04:05.24 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 04:06.13 | lister | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib |
| 04:06.13 | abrotman | lister: try http.debian.net (not ftp.debian.org) |
| 04:06.13 | lister | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib |
| 04:06.17 | lister | everything's commented but those 2 |
| 04:06.18 | lister | okay |
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| 04:07.24 | lister | i get this: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "vsftpd" immediately like it's not even attempting to search for it :P |
| 04:08.31 | abrotman | did you apt-get update? |
| 04:08.37 | lister | yeah and it updates fine too |
| 04:08.40 | abrotman | or aptitude update? |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:08.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lister about wheezy sources.list |
| 04:09.31 | lister | hmm ok lemme paste that in |
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| 04:11.58 | lister | awesome that worked, thanks a lot\ |
| 04:12.02 | lister | i think i borked something during install |
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| 04:23.45 | kreat0r | 4.0 is out... |
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| 04:43.27 | linux2 | Hey everyone, I'm having a rather strange problem that I'm trying to track down. For some reason my Debian 7 KVM server drops the ssh connection to it after about 15 seconds, every time. I'm not quite sure where to start my troubleshooting. I can always ssh into it, although it takes a few seconds to get the password prompt. After logging in, or even just sitting at the prompt, it will freeze. Any ideas what could be causing this or where I might want to loo |
| 04:43.28 | linux2 | k? |
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| 04:44.13 | linux2 | tcpdump shows packets still coming in from the server occasionally on port 22, but doesn't seem to display anything in the terminal. |
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| 04:45.55 | kellnola | linux2, are there any errors on the interface? ifconfig interface_name |
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| 04:47.34 | linux2 | kellnola, nope, none. This all seems to have started randomly. I can't say I connect into the system daily though. The guests which are bridged on the same interface don't appear to have any problems. |
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| 06:07.07 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 07:06.06 | _1_lilly | hi can you add me please because I have just got what Sap and I like frozen I have got a poster xxx |
| 07:06.52 | beepie | _1_lilly, hey kid you need a ride? |
| 07:07.34 | _1_lilly | (L)(L)(L) have you got a boyfriend I have xxx |
| 07:08.51 | _1_lilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.37 | beepie | opens the door for _1_lilly |
| 07:09.43 | beepie | _1_lilly, it's ok i know your momma |
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| 07:11.31 | beepie | :) |
| 07:11.57 | beepie | they hate when i do that and it works every time |
| 07:12.21 | beepie | that's how you fight trolls :) |
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| 07:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... that and I guess the kicking out of the channel |
| 07:14.40 | Ben64 | are you named after the character from discworld |
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| 07:14.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure :) |
| 07:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sosiddge inna bun? |
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| 07:17.59 | maziar | please help me about this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28736542/iptables-disable-internet-on-debian |
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| 07:18.32 | evilman_work | maziar: wait a few minutes - i'll see that. |
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| 07:21.11 | evilman_work | maziar: http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ - read that. |
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| 07:26.37 | N3X15 | Is there a way to do something similar to dpkg-shlibdeps, but without all the control files? My buildsystem uses fpm for nightlies, but the upstream packager has some outdated dependencies specified. |
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| 07:29.08 | treaki | treaki |
| 07:29.17 | treaki | sry, wrong textbox |
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| 07:44.43 | maziar | evilman_work, soty i dont understand that page |
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| 07:46.41 | maziar | please help me about this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28736542/iptables-disable-internet-on-debian |
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| 07:49.49 | valdyn | maziar: you are only accepting NEW packets on those 2 ports, you need to skip "-m state --state NEW" for all 3 ports (80,443,22) |
| 07:50.03 | valdyn | maziar: *3* ports |
| 07:50.38 | maziar | valdyn, let me check that |
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| 07:53.57 | Filystyn | guys there should be no problem instaling cinelerra ?video editing software best for debian |
| 07:54.04 | maziar | valdyn, its stills dont work |
| 07:54.05 | Filystyn | i need something on level of sony vegas |
| 07:54.15 | maziar | valdyn, now port 80 does not connect |
| 07:54.27 | SirLagz | Filystyn: if it's in apt-get, it should be fine |
| 07:54.51 | Filystyn | ahh i didnt cancel last statement;) |
| 07:54.52 | maziar | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/vjSQYQPx |
| 07:54.54 | Filystyn | it is not |
| 07:55.21 | Disconsented | Do the debian repo's have lightworks? |
| 07:55.21 | Filystyn | there is only source |
| 07:55.43 | SirLagz | Filystyn: well you could always give it a shot... |
| 07:55.49 | Filystyn | and im affraid of ending - install milion libs and i dont know how to dock atm had no time to learn it |
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| 08:06.42 | AndrewTech | hi ppl |
| 08:06.53 | SirLagz | hi |
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| 08:27.19 | vivia | RoyK: jelly: crash log http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fcd0f2ef/ |
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| 08:29.43 | vivia | and another one: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4f5aae8b/ |
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| 09:49.47 | jelly | vivia: did you trigger that first nmi yourself ordid it happen on its own? Neither of two traces look immediately crashy |
| 09:50.49 | jelly | vivia: also you're running vbox which kernel devs said was known to create corruptions in kernel space |
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| 09:51.22 | vivia | jelly: on its own... |
| 09:51.35 | vivia | all i do is to start vbox and press "start" on an existing vm |
| 09:51.58 | vivia | though the information about vbox is interesting |
| 09:52.14 | vivia | do you have more information about this? |
| 09:52.20 | jelly | that was a couple years ago, and might not be accurate |
| 09:52.43 | jelly | vivia: google for virtualbox taint |
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| 09:54.14 | vivia | jelly: ok i'm on it. at this point, if both 3.2 and 3.16 crash, i'd rather blame it on the vbox kernel module. |
| 09:54.53 | jelly | you could try kvm instead |
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| 09:57.58 | vivia | ok i'll let our sysadmin know when he's back :) thx |
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| 09:59.04 | jelly | vivia: nmi might also point to a hw issue |
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| 09:59.59 | gcosmin | hi , http://pastebin.com/3N3nLVnY , I can not see my wireless card, could someone help me fix it pls ? |
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| 10:00.55 | SynrGy | usually means you've toggled off wifi with rfkill switch |
| 10:01.42 | SynrGy | wait, no. wireless is there |
| 10:01.47 | SynrGy | 08:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) |
| 10:02.14 | gcosmin | yes, but iwconfig does not work ... |
| 10:02.45 | SynrGy | due to lack of firmware, likely |
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| 10:03.55 | gcosmin | I have installed firmware-iwlwifi & firmware-ralink |
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| 10:04.16 | SynrGy | for a broadcom card? |
| 10:04.38 | jelly | !BCM43142 |
| 10:04.38 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43142 is a hybrid 802.11n and Bluetooth 4.0 device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 14e4:4365, incorrectly identified as BCM4365 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is currently only supported by Broadcom's proprietary driver since version 6.30.223.126 (packaged in Debian <testing> as broadcom-sta). |
| 10:04.41 | gcosmin | right, my bad |
| 10:04.50 | SynrGy | yeah, that |
| 10:04.54 | SynrGy | so not even supported with firware |
| 10:04.56 | SynrGy | firmware* |
| 10:05.33 | jelly | how old is that factoid, tho |
| 10:05.34 | gcosmin | so what should I do .... |
| 10:05.36 | jelly | ,v broadcom-sta |
| 10:05.37 | judd | No package named 'broadcom-sta' was found in i386. |
| 10:06.03 | vivia | jelly: hrm, hw issue? could it be relevant that the VMs were running in centOS host until 2 days ago? |
| 10:06.20 | vivia | like, if it's indeed a hw issue wouldn't it have crashed in centos too? |
| 10:06.22 | jelly | vivia: on different hardware host? |
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| 10:06.25 | SynrGy | https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 10:07.33 | gcosmin | thank you, I am on it |
| 10:08.01 | vivia | jelly: same hw host, we reformatted it into debian yesterday and that's when it started crashing |
| 10:08.18 | SynrGy | jelly: itym: |
| 10:08.22 | SynrGy | ,v broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 10:08.23 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3 |
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| 10:09.07 | jelly | dpkg, BCM43142 =~ s/sta)/sta-dkms)/ |
| 10:09.07 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
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| 10:09.32 | SynrGy | ah, good point |
| 10:09.35 | SynrGy | thanks |
| 10:09.36 | jelly | not going to hunt for source package names when looking up stuff |
| 10:09.40 | SynrGy | :) |
| 10:09.41 | SynrGy | yep |
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| 10:13.01 | jelly | wonder why there's no backport |
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| 10:18.35 | gcosmin | SynrGy, I have tried but still the same issue, iwconfig does not work |
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| 10:24.41 | vivia | jelly: turns out vbox was installed from a manually downloaded .deb . tried getting it with apt-get and hit this bug even after installing it from backports as suggested: https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2014/03/msg00066.html |
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| 10:36.59 | gcosmin | hi , http://pastebin.com/3N3nLVnY , I can not see my wireless card, could someone help me fix it pls ? |
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| 10:37.49 | umbra_purus | hey |
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| 10:38.03 | umbra_purus | is the heartbleed issue fixed? |
| 10:38.58 | gcosmin | iwconfig does not work |
| 10:39.00 | umbra_purus | is the heartbleed issue fixed? |
| 10:39.01 | umbra_purus | ? |
| 10:39.09 | nkuttler | umbra_purus: like, last year |
| 10:39.45 | umbra_purus | i know that the issue was found in september 2014. but is it fixed? |
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| 10:39.56 | umbra_purus | new versions of debian cant be exploited by that? |
| 10:40.10 | nkuttler | !tell umbra_purus about heartbleed |
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| 10:40.54 | yei | hola |
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| 10:45.56 | JustinZ | anyone know what /usr/share/gnuconfig/config.guess is? |
| 10:46.24 | jelly | JustinZ: which package does it belong to? |
| 10:46.30 | jelly | JustinZ: dpkg -S ... |
| 10:48.52 | JustinZ | I looked, it apparently doesn't jelly |
| 10:49.16 | gcosmin | http://pastebin.com/qEMgiJe6 |
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| 10:49.52 | gcosmin | can anyone help me install wireless-bcm43142-dkms_6.20.55.19-1_amd64.deb |
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| 10:54.41 | vivia | jelly: workaround found. using vbox 4.2 .deb fetched from virtualbox.org |
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| 10:59.15 | vivia | jelly: actualy not. seems to be either 2 CPUs or bridged networking that makes it crash. let's see which one it was |
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| 11:02.52 | vivia | bridged networking it is |
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| 11:04.31 | vivia | https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/10031 |
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| 11:08.57 | cnodell | gcoosmin: I did a quick google search and the only success stories I have found involve instaling a third-party package from ubuntu that had been modified to run on Debian by SOMEONE and talk about using the official broadcom drives from their website. Unfortunatly, it simply sounds like your wireless card is simply not well supported by debian. |
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| 11:09.46 | cnodell | I would probably try the broadcom supported solution: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
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| 11:10.14 | cnodell | The readme file there seems pretty clear. |
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| 11:12.43 | Kyoshiro | we're planning (at last) the upgrade to wheezy on a platform using xen, does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade a few guests OS before upgrading the xen host to current stable ? |
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| 11:17.31 | barmaglot | http://joxi.ru/vAWD1OksyoZZrW |
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| 11:17.42 | barmaglot | how is it possible? |
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| 11:18.22 | barmaglot | partition /var used for 100%, but it has 302M size |
| 11:18.34 | barmaglot | and it has size 2.8Gb |
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| 11:21.15 | vivia | jelly: yep, confirmed. i just need to start the vm before the container (or switch the vm to nat instead of bridged) and then it works. left a comment on the docker bug report with my log files. |
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| 11:31.30 | like-all | Hi, guys. How can I tell reprepro to not forget old package versions? |
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| 11:48.07 | babilen | like-all: You can only have a single version in a repo. That is by design. |
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| 11:49.51 | like-all | babilen, that's sad |
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| 11:49.57 | babilen | like-all: How so? |
| 11:50.25 | babilen | Waht's your usecase and why do you want to offer broken repositories? |
| 11:50.28 | babilen | *What's |
| 11:50.59 | like-all | babilen, I need to hold multiple versions of my package for rollback usecase |
| 11:51.11 | babilen | downgrades aren't supported either |
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| 11:51.55 | babilen | But look into aptly if you really need that, but I would recommend to implement a proper staging environment with multiple repositories (much like Debian uses testing and stable) |
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| 11:54.33 | zuhaitz | Hi, I put my laptop hibernating and my touchpad doesnt work now, it works some seconds after doing this: modprobe -r psmouse and modprobe psmouse proto=imps |
| 11:54.40 | zuhaitz | how can I fix this? |
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| 11:54.48 | like-all | babilen, so, you propose me to create separated repositories for testing and stable branches of one package for one distribution flavour(currently it's jessie)? |
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| 11:57.01 | babilen | like-all: That would be one way to deal with it, you can also offer multiple packages (much like python2.6 python2.7 ...) for your different versions |
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| 11:58.12 | babilen | There are many approaches. I simply wanted to point out that apt repositories only hold a *single* version (i.e. the newest) of a package because it is assumed that you don't change the version between releases and that you want to always install the newest, non-breaking, security updates |
| 11:59.14 | babilen | If you want different channels then make that explicit (by using different suites) and keep your "testing / staging / dev" packages in one and your "tested / production / ..." in another. |
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| 12:00.42 | babilen | Tools such as aptly allow you to keep multiple versions in a single suite for a codename, but that is broken and violates a lot of assumptions Debian tools make. If that is acceptable for your is another case and there are some high-profile repositories like that (puppet comes to mind), but it is definitely not the way it should⢠be |
| 12:00.58 | tdn | I am trying to harden my servers against some of the SSH attacks revealed by Ed Snoden (as described here: https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html) However, these changes seem to require OpenSSH 6.5 or higher. Debian stable ships v6.0. So what are the recommended configuration for v6.0? |
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| 12:01.11 | babilen | like-all: (it also means that you will always have to pin / hold packages to prevent them from upgrading) |
| 12:01.38 | babilen | judd: v openssh-server |
| 12:01.39 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; sid: 1:6.7p1-3; jessie: 1:6.7p1-3 |
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| 12:01.47 | babilen | tdn: You could install a newer version from wheezy-backports ^^^ |
| 12:01.57 | babilen | (just an idea) |
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| 12:04.48 | tdn | babilen, yeah, but then I will not receive updates from security.debian.org. |
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| 12:05.41 | tdn | babilen, I figure this will be a very common need for all debian administrators soon, as ssh is widely used; and having it secured is essential. |
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| 12:05.50 | babilen | tdn: No, you would rely on the support that is provided in backports for that package (it is quite a high profile package and you might want to ask #debian-security if you have doubts, oftc as always) |
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| 12:07.00 | like-all | babilen, ok, thank you very much, I'll consider my infrastructure reorganisation |
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| 12:09.12 | rabbitear_sdf | I reommend infrastructure reorganisation |
| 12:09.37 | rabbitear_sdf | recommend |
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| 12:12.39 | Twinkletoes | Using /bin/ls, is it possible to list just the date/time and name of files, with no other information on the line? |
| 12:12.55 | likecolacola | hey... i am looking for an alternative to Sage(for reading rss with iceweasel) |
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| 12:13.12 | likecolacola | i just have to do some homework and do a screenshot of some rss i made using 3 different aggregators .. |
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| 12:19.07 | dpkg | bqjpin: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 12:21.16 | no_gravity | When I mount my other machine via "sshfs -o allow_other 1.2.3.4:/ /mnt/other/" and browse to that folder with nautilus and double click an image, the mous pointer just keeps spinning forever. any idea why? |
| 12:21.32 | no_gravity | When I drag and drop the image to my local machine, it opens just fine. |
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| 12:27.55 | RoyK | vivia: could you run a memory check on the box? dosn't look relevant, but best to be sure |
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| 12:28.32 | gcosmin | cnodell, thank you |
| 12:29.36 | vivia | RoyK: it's exactly this one: https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/10031 |
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| 12:40.57 | RoyK | vivia: then file a bug :) |
| 12:41.12 | vivia | RoyK: against docker or vbox?! :) |
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| 12:42.16 | RoyK | vivia: not sure - try both :) |
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| 12:42.37 | vivia | RoyK: the link i gave you is a bug filed in docker already, let's see what they say before messing with oracle :) |
| 12:43.39 | jelly | vivia: note that your dmesg output may not have anything to do with actual crashes |
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| 12:44.37 | RoyK | vivia: does the console hang or give a panic when this happen? the logs don't look relevant |
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| 12:45.29 | vivia | RoyK: console says "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#n stuck for XXs! [Virtualbox:$pid] |
| 12:46.12 | vivia | three of those, and then "INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU { 6 } (t=99774 jiffies etc etc) |
| 12:46.16 | vivia | that's at least the one that we captured |
| 12:46.25 | RoyK | vivia: ok, so when this happens, does the machine freeze or just vbox? |
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| 12:46.30 | vivia | the whole machine |
| 12:46.32 | jelly | vivia: those might be relevant. |
| 12:46.32 | vivia | including console |
| 12:46.43 | vivia | jelly: those == the jiffies? |
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| 12:46.52 | RoyK | vivia: try setting up a network console to log the stuff |
| 12:46.54 | jelly | vivia: the message on the console at the time of the freeze |
| 12:47.00 | jelly | messages* |
| 12:47.31 | jelly | in any case it looks like you're triggering a bug related to vbox |
| 12:47.38 | RoyK | jelly: and btw, those supermicros (X9DAi etc) usually have an IPMI network port |
| 12:48.17 | vivia | jelly: http://imagebin.ca/v/1sz3BYfaGM1M that's all |
| 12:48.17 | jelly | that means an ipmi serial console might be set up to collect the panic trace |
| 12:48.37 | RoyK | jelly: no need for ipmi to setup a serial console |
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| 12:49.28 | RoyK | jelly: that is - netconsole does the same and is a bit more flexible |
| 12:49.42 | jelly | RoyK: when it works |
| 12:49.42 | RoyK | !netconsole |
| 12:49.43 | dpkg | netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to capture system crash information. http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt . See also <serial console>. |
| 12:49.58 | RoyK | netconsole != ssh ;) |
| 12:50.03 | vivia | oh :) |
| 12:50.11 | jelly | RoyK: I know. |
| 12:50.15 | vivia | is dpkg a bot btw? nice name :) |
| 12:51.04 | jelly | RoyK: there's a better chance of serial to keep working in case of panic, than the network card drivers |
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| 12:51.33 | vivia | i tend to agree with jelly given that the bug is triggered with bridged networking only |
| 12:51.41 | RoyK | jelly: sure, but not many have nullmodem cables around anymore |
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| 12:52.16 | jelly | RoyK: which is why I prefer ipmi/iLO/IMM serial instead of physical ones |
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| 12:52.46 | RoyK | the supermicro ipmi may be able to log things on its own... |
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| 12:54.51 | RoyK | vivia: have you setup ipmi on this machine? I thought you said it didn't have one, but I'm quite sure it has |
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| 12:55.42 | vivia | RoyK: i think it's not set up, but let me double-check |
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| 12:57.28 | osfe | plop |
| 12:58.03 | osfe | this is a test |
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| 12:58.37 | vivia | confcall ahead |
| 12:58.51 | youss | hi all, can anyone help me to get access to my samba shares with nautilus ? please |
| 12:58.52 | jelly | osfe: might want to use ##test for those instead |
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| 12:59.26 | osfe | jelly: thank you |
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| 13:08.16 | sonOfRa | Is security.debian.org currently unreachable via IPv6, or is it a problem in my local network? |
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| 13:08.34 | sonOfRa | apt is stuck at 100% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb)], and ping6 security.debian.org also times out |
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| 13:09.28 | sonOfRa | Hm, it seems to have picked another host after timing out on two of them, now it's working. Nevermind! |
| 13:10.05 | b4tm4n | using openvpn on debian through NetworkManager app and it keeps crashing. the error being generated in syslog is "VPN Service 'openvpn' disappeared" - any thoughts? It seems others have had this problem, but i've yet to find a solution. |
| 13:10.15 | Twinkletoes | When I run a script which prints some information out, everything displays on separate lines as expected, but when run from a CRON job and piped to an email message, the line breaks dissappear |
| 13:10.31 | b4tm4n | (more specifically, the VPN connection drops - nothing crashes) |
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| 13:44.27 | Tenkawa | day 2 of the converted system is going well |
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| 13:46.21 | Tenkawa | today its time to figure the sdio out |
| 13:46.24 | Tenkawa | if its possible |
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| 14:01.58 | hunter | I work in a VM at work, because they require everyone to run windows; I am mounting our dev server as a samba share so that I can develop locally in my vm. Everything was running smoothly until the auth mechanism was switched from LDAP to Active Directory. I updated my samba credentials file to reflect my Active Directory password and re-mounted the share. It claims that the files are owned by my local user and that I have write |
| 14:01.59 | hunter | permissions; but whenever I try to save a file I get a permission denied error. |
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| 14:02.11 | hunter | Sorry for the textwall, I can share my mount command if you'd like |
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| 14:02.52 | abrotman | hunter: can root write? |
| 14:03.09 | hunter | abrotman: good question, I did not try that. Give me one second |
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| 14:03.35 | hunter | abrotman: no, root can also not write |
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| 14:03.59 | abrotman | hunter: Are you allowed to ask the NT guys what they're seeing on their side? |
| 14:04.49 | hunter | I could try to do that, but since I have a non-standard setup; I doubt they would spend much time investigating |
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| 14:06.11 | hunter | I know that my credentials are correct, because I use the same ones to boot my Windows host; I am just hoping to find some step I missed or option to mount that propogates them |
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| 14:06.19 | Linnak | for installing kfreebsd/debian should I follow deban manual of freebsd manual? |
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| 14:07.43 | vivia | RoyK: confirmed, no ipmi available on this machine |
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| 14:08.43 | vivia | told the sysadmin about netconsole, i'll let you know if i have news |
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| 14:09.31 | Humie | When i try to remove transmission, gnome is being selected to be autoremoved. Is there a way to do it? |
| 14:10.00 | Linnak | how can i use plasma 5 on sid? |
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| 14:11.28 | Humie | Linnak: check the topic |
| 14:11.42 | Linnak | Humie: which one? |
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| 14:11.55 | Humie | Linnak: of this channel |
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| 14:12.58 | Linnak | I didn't get it. How can i check a topic in this channel? |
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| 14:14.59 | Humie | Linnak: I simply mean for you to read it. |
| 14:15.07 | RoyK | vivia: did you check in bios? |
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| 14:15.46 | Linnak | all right. I use this channel with an irc client. there isn't an option to see or choose topics here |
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| 14:16.14 | kward | Linnak: usually typing /topic will show it |
| 14:16.34 | vivia | RoyK: not myself. i asked the sysadmin and he's looked into it from what i understood |
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| 14:16.48 | Humie | Linnak: for testing or unstable questions visit #debian-next on irc.oftc.net network |
| 14:16.50 | RoyK | vivia: ah - that's a workstation motherboard |
| 14:17.01 | Linnak | ok thank you |
| 14:17.07 | RoyK | http://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-x9da7x9dai-dual-intel-xeon-e52600-workstation-motherboard-lga2011/ |
| 14:17.11 | RoyK | some talk about it here |
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| 14:17.52 | RoyK | seems like a waste to produce such a brilliant motherboard without IPMI :P |
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| 14:18.38 | vivia | :) |
| 14:18.45 | cnodell | Humie: It sounds to me like you need to use apt-mark on the gnome package and flag it as a manual install. |
| 14:19.18 | cnodell | Humie: This will prevent apt-get from trying to remove it when you use autoremove. |
| 14:19.47 | Humie | cnodell: thanks i will try it |
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| 14:22.03 | aeg | Hi, installed "Unified Linux Driver" from Samsung, in gnome-control-center i now try to add the printer "network" i add the IP addr and then it hangs .... any tips ? |
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| 14:22.39 | Humie | cnodell: should i prefer apt-get or aptitude? which one is recommended on debian? |
| 14:22.43 | vivia | aeg: i'm surprised you got "unified linux driver" to work,seems they improved it |
| 14:22.58 | vivia | aeg: i had found an unofficial repository that had proper .debs for the driver |
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| 14:23.40 | vivia | aeg: try uninstalling the samsung stuff and then look here, that's how i got my printer to work: http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/ |
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| 14:24.15 | DammitJim | alright, I thought I was smart yesterday and I must have fat fingered something |
| 14:24.18 | aeg | vivia: ha lol but then i have to undo the "unified linux driver" that will be a hurdle as well, thx will try |
| 14:24.27 | cnodell | Humie: They both use the same package database to track installed packages and files but they use different "decision making processes" when doing complex things like auto-removal, big upgrades and the like. I usually prefer apt-get but I think it is really a matter of taste now days. |
| 14:24.59 | DammitJim | alright, I thought I was smart yesterday and I must have fat fingered something |
| 14:25.08 | DammitJim | my laptop is dual boot with Jessie and Windows 8 |
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| 14:25.14 | DammitJim | grub no longer shows up when booting :( |
| 14:25.28 | cnodell | Humie: I have heard it said that aptitude can be a bit more aggressive when removing packages but I have no personal experience with it. |
| 14:25.31 | DammitJim | I tried doing the bdcedit on windows, but there is no \boot\EFI folder anymore |
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| 14:25.56 | Tenkawa | RoyK: this tablet is working great after the conversion |
| 14:26.00 | DammitJim | what do you guys suggest I do? I've seen many articles saying to boot a live cd but that's for Ubuntu... I haven't found a live cd for jessie |
| 14:26.10 | DammitJim | any suggestions are greatly appreciated! |
| 14:26.32 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: whaats up? i missed the orig q |
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| 14:26.50 | DammitJim | Tenkawa: I screwed up grub2! now my machine only boots on Windows |
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| 14:26.55 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 14:26.57 | DammitJim | and I can't get the grub menu to show up |
| 14:27.12 | Tenkawa | you could burn a rescue cd |
| 14:27.15 | DammitJim | I tried bcdedit, but there is no \boot\EFI or \boot\debian\ folder |
| 14:27.15 | vivia | DammitJim: first of all make sure you're following a fairly recent article, ie for grub2 and not for old grub |
| 14:27.27 | vivia | then you can use any livecd and then chroot into your debian partition |
| 14:27.31 | Tenkawa | have it boot to linux then reinstall grub |
| 14:27.38 | Tenkawa | then updat-grub |
| 14:27.41 | DammitJim | vivia: yes! that's frustrating 'cause I didn't see many refer to it as grub2, which is what I have |
| 14:27.42 | Tenkawa | then update-grub |
| 14:27.49 | ffrank | Hi, is there any insight on why PHP 5.4.38 has not yet been released for wheezy? The security fixes look worthwhile. |
| 14:27.57 | DammitJim | Tenkawa: how do I boot into linux, though? |
| 14:28.03 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: using a rescue cd |
| 14:28.08 | DammitJim | vivia: so, I could boot into a live Ubuntu? |
| 14:28.14 | DammitJim | oh Tenkawa where do I get one of those? |
| 14:28.17 | DammitJim | googles it |
| 14:28.20 | vivia | DammitJim: if you have one ready, yes, and then you chroot into debian |
| 14:28.28 | vivia | just mount your debian partition and then run chroot |
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| 14:28.35 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: install dvd/cd iso's for debian include a rescue mode |
| 14:28.53 | DammitJim | Tenkawa: let me check |
| 14:28.55 | Tenkawa | comes in very handy |
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| 14:29.17 | DammitJim | dammit! now windows is running updates! |
| 14:29.22 | Tenkawa | doh |
| 14:29.26 | vivia | lol |
| 14:29.35 | Tenkawa | thats always fun |
| 14:29.43 | vivia | DammitJim: this guide explains reinstalling grub2 in ubuntu, it's not very different in debian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Fixing_a_Broken_System |
| 14:29.50 | Humie | cnodell: do i mark it after or before the removal of i.e. transmission |
| 14:29.58 | DammitJim | I booted into a jessie install |
| 14:30.04 | DammitJim | advanced options |
| 14:30.11 | DammitJim | rescue mode! |
| 14:30.19 | cnodell | Humie: Mark it first, then try to uninstall transmission |
| 14:30.19 | Humie | (gnome is being remove when i remove transmission cnodell ) |
| 14:30.26 | Humie | cnodell: ok thank you |
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| 14:30.36 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: good luck :) |
| 14:30.47 | Tenkawa | that should provide the tools needed |
| 14:30.49 | DammitJim | I swear... I would remove WIndows if the company didn't have all this crappy software that doesn't run on Debian or a VM |
| 14:31.12 | Tenkawa | use vmware |
| 14:31.13 | vivia | DammitJim: ouch, not in a vm either?! |
| 14:31.17 | Tenkawa | oh |
| 14:31.30 | Tenkawa | I am going to be installing vms on here latter |
| 14:31.33 | Tenkawa | er later |
| 14:31.34 | DammitJim | no, because of serial communications and stuff |
| 14:31.47 | DammitJim | man, rescue mode is asking me about a hostname? |
| 14:31.52 | Tenkawa | soon as i figure out my sdio/mmc drivers |
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| 14:32.32 | DammitJim | Device to use as root file system: ? |
| 14:32.34 | DammitJim | what should I pick? |
| 14:32.41 | Tenkawa | wow this tablet is nice in 64 bit mode |
| 14:32.42 | DammitJim | it's got my hard drive partitions listed! |
| 14:32.55 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: whatever one was your root part |
| 14:33.28 | Tenkawa | that 32 bit efi was annoying to get around but once you do.. so nice... |
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| 14:33.45 | DammitJim | dammit, I don't remember which one that was! |
| 14:33.49 | vivia | Tenkawa: which efi? |
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| 14:34.13 | vivia | DammitJim: open a second console (alt+f2 or f3 ...) and try mount+ls until you find it |
| 14:34.14 | Tenkawa | vivia: Winbook TW100 (microcenter brand tablet) |
| 14:34.32 | Tenkawa | has a baytrail on it |
| 14:34.53 | vivia | Tenkawa: with windows on it? or can you install a more decent OS? |
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| 14:35.01 | DammitJim | vivia: thanks |
| 14:35.18 | Tenkawa | i converted it yesterday to 32 bit debian from windows 8.1 then converted that to 64 bit by hand |
| 14:35.31 | vivia | \o/ |
| 14:35.35 | Tenkawa | that mixed efi was annoying |
| 14:35.45 | Tenkawa | but now it flies |
| 14:35.54 | vivia | yay ;) |
| 14:36.02 | Tenkawa | just got to try to find sdio drivers for its wifi and mmc slot |
| 14:36.21 | Tenkawa | thats going to be harder |
| 14:36.28 | DammitJim | ok, now I just need to figure out which one was my boot partition |
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| 14:38.48 | DammitJim | ok, rebooting |
| 14:39.32 | Tenkawa | good luck |
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| 14:39.56 | Tenkawa | tries to find the battery sensors on this box |
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| 14:40.11 | DammitJim | I must have picked the wrong partition |
| 14:40.14 | DammitJim | it didn't work |
| 14:40.50 | Tenkawa | how many partitions did it have? |
| 14:41.05 | Tenkawa | usually its 1-boot, 2-root, 3-swap |
| 14:41.42 | Tenkawa | but thats not always consistent |
| 14:43.40 | DammitJim | oh |
| 14:43.45 | DammitJim | I don't have an EFI directory!!! |
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| 14:44.48 | Tenkawa | what kind of machine is ? |
| 14:45.00 | Tenkawa | er is this |
| 14:45.09 | DammitJim | lenovo t440s |
| 14:45.31 | Tenkawa | interesting.. didnt know it would use efi at all |
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| 14:46.10 | Tenkawa | you have grub-efi installed? |
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| 14:48.15 | muad_ | i am considering installing debian on a old laptop that has a broken main screen is that even possible = |
| 14:48.40 | Tenkawa | muad_: does it have a vga port or serial port? |
| 14:48.46 | muad_ | yes |
| 14:48.48 | Tenkawa | if so sure |
| 14:49.16 | Tenkawa | you could always debootstrap build it and configure it and switch over the hard drive |
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| 14:49.25 | Tenkawa | theres plenty options |
| 14:49.33 | cnodell | maud_: Debian won't make the broken display work though! Unless there is a package for that I am not aware of... |
| 14:49.46 | Tenkawa | agreed |
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| 14:49.59 | Tenkawa | i'm just giving "running" options |
| 14:50.18 | muad_ | dont need the display at all just need HDMI/VGA port |
| 14:50.30 | Tenkawa | then yes definitely |
| 14:50.44 | muad_ | i am running it on my television with kodi |
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| 14:51.32 | muad_ | debian it is |
| 14:54.14 | Tenkawa | grumbles at sdio more |
| 14:54.25 | jelly | muad_: any distro would work with the requirement of external display only, nothing special about debian there |
| 14:54.41 | jelly | it's just a matter of configuration |
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| 14:56.16 | DammitJim | Tenkawa you and I... |
| 14:56.29 | DammitJim | uh oh |
| 14:56.40 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: what happened? |
| 14:56.50 | DammitJim | I think I fixed it |
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| 14:56.58 | DammitJim | but something tells me I might have messed something else up |
| 14:57.02 | DammitJim | hhmmmmm |
| 14:57.05 | DammitJim | we'll see |
| 14:57.10 | DammitJim | I think I am going to backup my data ;) |
| 14:58.27 | muad_ | jelly i know :) |
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| 15:03.39 | muad_ | hmm VGA dies |
| 15:03.51 | DammitJim | ok, now talking from jessie |
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| 15:04.10 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: cool :) |
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| 15:06.04 | vivia | DammitJim: \o/ |
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| 15:07.06 | Tenkawa | might have to get another one of these tablets to use as a server heheheeh |
| 15:07.08 | DammitJim | geez |
| 15:07.17 | DammitJim | sometimes we take things for granted |
| 15:07.19 | Tenkawa | small inexpensive and fast |
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| 15:08.48 | Tenkawa | cpu's get a bit warm under heavy use when in a shell case |
| 15:08.52 | Tenkawa | heh heeh |
| 15:09.04 | Tenkawa | imagine that eh |
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| 15:10.43 | muad_ | hmm |
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| 15:11.22 | Tenkawa | muad_: whats up? |
| 15:11.32 | muad_ | vga and hdmi dies when i try too install, it shows the boot menu but when i contiune boot it gets blacked out |
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| 15:12.19 | brontosaurusrex | with base install, how do i get some eth0 internets? |
| 15:12.46 | muad_ | and the broken screen is active |
| 15:13.01 | Tenkawa | muad_: look in the initial menus and make sure there arent options for setting which is the console |
| 15:13.45 | muad_ | Tenkawa i have looked in the BIOS no option too turn of the laptops screen |
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| 15:14.01 | cnodell | muad_: Might be a stupid question, but is there some kind of function key combo for switching the displays? |
| 15:14.24 | muad_ | fn+f4 |
| 15:14.28 | muad_ | not working |
| 15:14.28 | Tenkawa | muad_: I mean in the installer boot menu |
| 15:14.35 | Tenkawa | like console= stuff |
| 15:14.46 | muad_ | cant see the installer boot menu |
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| 15:14.49 | Tenkawa | you might need to set it specificly to a path/device |
| 15:15.00 | Tenkawa | oh doesn't get that far? |
| 15:15.24 | muad_ | well i gets there but on the wrong screen so i cant see whats happening on that screen |
| 15:15.47 | Tenkawa | muad_: wrong screen? |
| 15:15.51 | Tenkawa | the broke one? |
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| 15:15.57 | muad_ | yes |
| 15:16.27 | Tenkawa | there should be a way to switch that on thw bootline however I havent done it in ages |
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| 15:24.02 | darxmurf | see you |
| 15:24.49 | muad_ | preseeding maybe? |
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| 15:28.54 | teclo- | I got a question about udev, I've set a rule to run a script when I remove a USB device, but every time I remove the USB device, my script is run *twice* |
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| 15:34.13 | adilix | hi all |
| 15:34.58 | adilix | when i start xclock in digital mode i dont have 24hour format even when i add --twentyfour in the commandline |
| 15:35.01 | adilix | is that a bug |
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| 15:37.08 | cnodell | maud_: Not sure if this will help but it might be in the right direction. This link (http://superuser.com/a/636783) shows how someone used kernel modes to do what you want. This link (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_mode_setting) explains kernel modes in general and might be of use when trying to understand the first link... |
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| 15:38.11 | Humie | cnodell: i can't make it work as bugbunny suggests |
| 15:38.13 | zh1 | have a nvidia GeForce Go 7600 graphic card, whats best driver to use on debian wheezy 7.8.0? |
| 15:38.13 | Humie | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=229212 |
| 15:38.22 | cnodell | muad_: I think challenging part is determining what your connector is... |
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| 15:38.34 | Humie | aptitude does not get &mpackage |
| 15:38.38 | Humie | it says its incorrect |
| 15:38.44 | centrx | adilix, I bet that only works with the digital clock |
| 15:39.04 | centrx | adilix, Also the xclock options are with one hyphen, -twentyfour, and apparently it's the default already with the digital clock |
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| 15:39.33 | brontosaurusrex | and q2, how come ceratin packages are not found, like rxvt-unicode in jessie? seem here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/rxvt-unicode |
| 15:39.47 | jelly | adilix: what if you override locale settings? LANG=C xclock -digital -twentyfour |
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| 15:41.58 | nmschulte | Has anyone ever used ArgyllCMS? I have an X-Rite ColorMunki Display (i1D3, I believe) that I want to use to calibrate some displays with ArgyllCMS, and I'm looking for a few pointers. |
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| 15:43.08 | Linnak | should i choose just KDE or Debian desktop environment AND KDE? http://prntscr.com/6a36ab |
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| 15:43.37 | jufo | people who are rooted are not idiots anymore |
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| 15:43.54 | kodapa | Linnak: I think both |
| 15:44.03 | Linnak | i think so thanks |
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| 15:44.40 | nmschulte | jufo: ? |
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| 15:45.46 | Humie | help me pls |
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| 15:47.08 | centrx | !ask |
| 15:47.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:48.30 | Humie | I wanna remove transmission but gnome depends on it, i try to follow the answer of bugbunny here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=229212 but i dont do it right |
| 15:48.56 | Humie | when it promts me (y,n,q,?) it does not accept '&m gnome' |
| 15:48.58 | Linnak | Humie: I suugest you don't remove it, but you know |
| 15:49.44 | Humie | I don't want to Linnak |
| 15:50.00 | Humie | if you are referering to gnome |
| 15:50.34 | centrx | I doubt gnome depends on transmission |
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| 15:50.53 | Humie | eer transmission is not installed, transmission-gtk is to be precise |
| 15:51.22 | centrx | Humie, Only the 'gnome' metapackage depends on transmission, uninstall the metapackage |
| 15:51.54 | centrx | Humie, use gnome-core as the metapackage for gnome |
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| 15:52.20 | Humie | centrx: if i remove gnome, won't everything that depends on gnome will be removed as well |
| 15:52.41 | centrx | Humie, no, it's just a metapackage |
| 15:53.19 | centrx | Humie, if you want to make sure apt-get autoremove recognizes gnome should be installed, just mark gnome-core as manually instaled or do apt-get install gnome-core afterwards (basically no-op) |
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| 15:56.34 | raccoon_ | hello. i did a reinstall using the jessie RC1 netinstall image downloaded yesterday. my setup is a hybrid md raid1 with an ssd and an hdd disk. after installation i rebooted and now i get a kernel panic, with the following message just before it: /sbin/init: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1: invalid ELF header |
| 15:57.12 | Humie | centrx: you are right! thansk |
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| 15:58.36 | raccoon_ | i booted off a rescue cd and mounted the target system, went into chroot to investigate that particular file (librt.so.1). "file" reports an ELF header, so i'm kinda puzzled at the moment. trying to do an apt-get update from inside the chroot gives me another "invalid ELF header" but this time for /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libutil.so.1 |
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| 15:58.53 | jelly | raccoon_: ouch, some critical gnu libc files may be corrupted. Boot a deb-based liveusb, fsck the filesystem, then mount and unpack libc6:amd64 over that chroot |
| 15:59.19 | jelly | raccoon_: did you boot a 64-bit, recent, kernel? |
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| 16:00.40 | raccoon_ | jelly: yep, the kernel installed and the one that panics on me is 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 16:00.51 | raccoon_ | jelly: i'll try fsck |
| 16:01.30 | jelly | raccoon_: I meant on your livecd, sorry |
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| 16:02.25 | jelly | raccoon_: fsck is just the first step, it won't fix the already corrupted files |
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| 16:03.39 | raccoon_ | yeah, the livecd i'm currently in is booted with 3.16.0-1-amd64 |
| 16:04.13 | raccoon_ | jelly: i ran fsck on all filesystems and they seem to be clean |
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| 16:09.09 | jelly | raccoon_: can you run debsums libc6:amd64 inside chroot |
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| 16:11.20 | raccoon_ | hmmm, i don't seem to have debsums installed on the target system |
| 16:11.56 | raccoon_ | and apt-get gives me the aforementioned invalid ELF header aswell |
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| 16:13.37 | zwarag_ | exit |
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| 16:15.30 | jelly | raccoon_: figure out the installed version of libc6:amd64, get the same from packages.debian.org, then dpkg --unpack it over the chroot |
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| 16:16.38 | jelly | raccoon_: after apt works, reinstall it when inside the chroot |
| 16:17.03 | raccoon_ | jelly: ok, installed package is libc6:amd64 2.19-13 - will download it and unpack over chroot |
| 16:17.06 | stylica | hi |
| 16:17.09 | stylica | Latency test: |
| 16:17.20 | stylica | When will systemd removed from Debian? |
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| 16:17.44 | jelly | hopes he passed the test |
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| 16:21.57 | hTmlDP | hello guys |
| 16:22.21 | polyphagia | hi hTmlDP |
| 16:22.35 | hTmlDP | How can i run a python script and make the current user not able to kill it? |
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| 16:23.12 | hTmlDP | I would like to run it after every user login. |
| 16:23.16 | jelly | hTmlDP: run it as a different user. |
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| 16:23.45 | hTmlDP | jelly: how can i call it from user's autostart without entering any passwords |
| 16:24.04 | jelly | carefully configured sudo. |
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| 16:24.39 | hTmlDP | jelly: any other ways? I want to run it from /etc/profile.d |
| 16:24.53 | jelly | also the script will have to be smart enough to detect when that same user tries to run it manually a thousand times |
| 16:25.19 | jelly | hTmlDP: all the other ways are equivalent |
| 16:25.24 | hTmlDP | jelly: ok so it's not the best way |
| 16:25.33 | ddd_ | good day |
| 16:25.51 | hTmlDP | jelly: basically, i'm writing something for syncing /home with a server |
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| 16:25.57 | hTmlDP | hmmm |
| 16:26.19 | hTmlDP | is there any free software that do it for me? |
| 16:26.29 | jelly | hTmlDP: the only way to make the user not be able to kill something is to run it by a different user. The only way to run something as a different user is for root to do it |
| 16:26.56 | hTmlDP | I would like to have a server storing all user data (like files, passwords) |
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| 16:27.03 | hTmlDP | and clients connecting to it |
| 16:27.31 | hTmlDP | something like windows server + small buisness server |
| 16:28.25 | Brigo | hTmlDP, you can detect logins and then launch a script from outside the userland |
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| 16:28.37 | jelly | via pam? |
| 16:28.38 | hTmlDP | Brigo: yeah, it's the only safe way i think |
| 16:28.54 | Brigo | via parsing /var/log/auth may be? |
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| 16:29.03 | jelly | eugh |
| 16:29.18 | jelly | fail2backup |
| 16:29.21 | Brigo | jelly, please translate :) |
| 16:29.41 | jelly | an interjection of distaset, that "eugh" was |
| 16:29.46 | jelly | distaste* |
| 16:29.55 | Brigo | i see :) |
| 16:30.30 | raccoon_ | jelly: ok, i unpacked libc6 and got apt-get working. installed debsums and ran it for libc6:amd64 - everything "OK" |
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| 16:31.13 | Arhur70 | hi, after install kernel 3.16 and dracut from backports I get fsck issues at reboot, is this a known issue? |
| 16:31.20 | raccoon_ | jelly: on a side note i found out that man-db was broken too (libmandb-2.7.0.2.so invalid ELF) |
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| 16:31.35 | jelly | hTmlDP: if you want to backup users' homes, why not... backup users' homes. If you want to sync them as profiles to be available across multiple workstation, then that's something different |
| 16:32.04 | jelly | raccoon_: that's what debsums is for, yes. |
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| 16:34.04 | jelly | hTmlDP: I don't know of a solution for the latter (apart from having remotely mounted homes), but I bet someone somewhere has written one |
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| 16:44.12 | raccoon_ | jelly: ok, i let debsums check all packages and it currently reports no errors (i unpacked man-db the same way and fixed that) |
| 16:44.20 | raccoon_ | jelly: will reboot and check :) |
| 16:44.36 | Arhur70 | looks like dracut at boot try to fsck a filesystem already mounted (/usr). this seems a bug |
| 16:45.08 | jelly | raccoon_: oh, now that you have apt working, you can just apt-get --reinstall install stuff |
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| 16:45.37 | jelly | raccoon_: and you still have to figure out the root cause |
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| 16:46.57 | raccoon_ | jelly: all installed packages seem to be clean since debsums did not report any errors; so i assume i dont have to reinstall anything? |
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| 16:47.21 | hamn | hey guys |
| 16:47.28 | raccoon_ | jelly: my theory is that something went wrong with the md raid setup when rebooting after install. |
| 16:47.33 | hamn | how can i install QTCore? |
| 16:47.40 | raccoon_ | or maybe that + my hybrid ssd/ide setup |
| 16:49.31 | jelly | raccoon_: well. unfortunately checksums are not mandatory in packages and some things might still be broken, you'll have to find it as you fo |
| 16:49.31 | hamn | i cannot install libqt4-dev |
| 16:49.33 | jelly | go. |
| 16:49.53 | jelly | hamn: which debian release is that? |
| 16:49.56 | jelly | ,v libqt4-dev |
| 16:49.57 | judd | Package: libqt4-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze2; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; wheezy-backports: 4:4.8.6+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; sid: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-2+b1 |
| 16:50.04 | hamn | http://pastebin.com/JVNySA3b |
| 16:50.08 | hamn | im running wheezy |
| 16:50.13 | raccoon_ | jelly: aight, figures... thanks for the debug help, now i know how to proceed! |
| 16:50.14 | raccoon_ | kudos |
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| 16:51.07 | jelly | hamn: you've installed at least some qt4 stuff from wheezy-backports. Either downgrade those, or explicitely install libqt4-dev from wheezy-backports as well |
| 16:53.09 | hamn | how do i explicitly install libqt4-dev from backports? |
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| 16:53.51 | jelly | hamn: the same way you install that other stuff? apt-get (or aptitude) -t wheezy-backports install stuff |
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| 16:55.56 | Pobega | Hi! I am running into an odd issue. We deploy servers to schools and install clients on their terminals. The issue is that a server was installed September 12th with v3, but we had clients with v2 installed dated September 16th. Because of this `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` didn't work, but `touch *` in our repository fixed the problem. Is there a way to tell apt-get to ignore the date differences when doing the update&&upgrade so this problem |
| 16:55.56 | Pobega | doesn't occur again? |
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| 16:56.51 | raccoon_ | jelly: wow. before i rebooted, i unmounted the target system and re-mounted it just to check one last time. libutil.so.1 invalid ELF header, again... |
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| 16:57.51 | jelly | raccoon_: check that mdadm array. |
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| 16:59.02 | jelly | also check current dmesg for extra errors |
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| 17:02.14 | ChrisH | I have 2 Icons on my KDE Desktop and I cannot remove them. Nor can I move them, the "slide-out" does not appear. I did not find them in my home in ~/Desktop where is that KDE Stuff stored? Or how to remove these Icons? |
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| 17:12.07 | hamn | jelly: also, i am trying to install ia32-libs-i386 |
| 17:12.30 | hamn | but im getting issues with unment deps |
| 17:12.36 | hamn | im running amd64 debian |
| 17:13.03 | hamn | but i added 32 bit arch packages |
| 17:13.04 | hamn | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 17:13.05 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new neo-classical cathedral |
| 17:14.10 | jelly | hamn: read /msg dpkg ia32-libs, /msg dpkg multiarch howto |
| 17:14.38 | jelly | hamn: why do you need ia32-libs-i386? |
| 17:14.47 | hamn | im building 32 bit software |
| 17:15.13 | jelly | hamn: yeah... set up a separate i386 chroot for that. |
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| 17:15.36 | hamn | ohh God |
| 17:15.44 | jelly | don't bother with multiarch, as not all -dev packages are multiarch compliant yet |
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| 17:16.31 | hamn | jelly: so i didnt install in a seperate chroot |
| 17:16.37 | hamn | is that going to be a problem for me? |
| 17:17.06 | jelly | hamn: not really |
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| 17:17.35 | hamn | will 64 bit packages be prioritizxed in the future when installing packages, or should i immediately remove 32 bit arch after i install this package? |
| 17:17.37 | jelly | but if you plan to build lots of stuff you'll get problems sooner or later |
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| 17:18.32 | jelly | hamn: 64bit stuff isn't broken by merely installing some 32bit stuff. It's just that some -dev package cannot coexist both 32 and 64bit at the same time |
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| 17:19.27 | hamn | what the hell. its telling me ia32-libs-i386 depends on libcups! |
| 17:19.42 | hamn | how does a 32 bit runtime library depend on a printing library?!?! |
| 17:19.52 | bawbags | try with --no-install-recommends |
| 17:20.06 | bawbags | I always use that option |
| 17:20.18 | bawbags | unless i change my mind about wanting the recs |
| 17:20.35 | hamn | nope. it still says it wasnts cups |
| 17:21.12 | hamn | http://pastebin.com/gvH8CJzJ |
| 17:21.31 | bawbags | you already got any cups packages? otherwise it seems... well stupid. |
| 17:21.32 | hamn | why does such a low level library depend on high level stuff? |
| 17:22.03 | hamn | yea i have cups |
| 17:22.19 | hamn | but it requires a 32 bit version of cups |
| 17:22.19 | jelly | hamn: ia32-libs-i386 isn't a low level library |
| 17:22.32 | hamn | its 32 bit runtime libs right? |
| 17:22.59 | bawbags | you're tryinig to run multilib i guess? |
| 17:23.05 | bawbags | 64/32? |
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| 17:23.27 | hamn | im running a 64 bit debian OS but i need to compile some 32 bit code |
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| 17:23.51 | bawbags | yeah the multi-lib stuff will want to get everything that is multilib |
| 17:24.13 | hamn | i dont want a 32 bit printing library installed |
| 17:24.18 | bawbags | inclusive support for everything |
| 17:24.21 | hamn | can i just force it to install this lib? |
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| 17:25.23 | bawbags | not sure, i wonder if you can cross compile without installing the 32-bit libs though idk |
| 17:25.30 | bawbags | lot more work |
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| 17:25.44 | jelly | hamn: again, read those few factoids and related links, and don't do it this way. Use a separate chroot. |
| 17:26.03 | bawbags | problem is hold the package and it fails to install due to dependency problems usually, not sure if anyone knows a work around |
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| 17:27.37 | bawbags | jellys answer sounds sensible as you don't screw with your current system that way to get what you want |
| 17:27.39 | jelly | hamn: there are ready chroot builders like debootstrap, and wrappers to manage them like schroot and sbuild and debuild. Investigate those and pick suitable tools. |
| 17:28.11 | jelly | each of those probably has a dpkg-bot factoid |
| 17:30.05 | domidebian | hi; i have a problem with a pdf file. someone has put put 2 a4 pages on one a4 page. how can i get the two pages back ? regards |
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| 17:32.00 | bawbags | sounds like they saved you money :p |
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| 17:32.14 | bawbags | sorry couldn't resist idk though |
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| 18:07.27 | BuSheeZy | How can I keep my computer from turning the monitor off? |
| 18:07.32 | BuSheeZy | regular ol' debian |
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| 18:11.34 | Tenkawa | BuSheeZy: in x or console? |
| 18:11.48 | BuSheeZy | console, http://askubuntu.com/questions/138918/how-do-i-disable-the-blank-console-screensaver-on-ubuntu-server |
| 18:11.50 | BuSheeZy | I just found this |
| 18:11.54 | Tenkawa | coo |
| 18:11.54 | Tenkawa | l |
| 18:11.57 | BuSheeZy | Thank you |
| 18:12.07 | BuSheeZy | I was googling all of the wrong words |
| 18:12.28 | Tenkawa | no problem... i just happen to look over and saw your q |
| 18:13.34 | knosys | Guys I installed gnome in my computer at work and I use to be very dirty with a lot of open tasks that i dont like to close, tabs in browser etc.. Do you think that gnome classic would improve the performance? |
| 18:13.54 | knosys | maybe xfce or something... but I would like to keep gnome for a while |
| 18:14.05 | knosys | but its getting annoying everytime i hit 'search' |
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| 18:17.38 | raccoon_ | knosys: get more ram. one way to do that is using a desktop environment that has a smaller footprint than gnome, another is to actually install more ram in the computer. a third option would be to change your workflow to actually close the tasks you are not using. most modern browser support some kind of session management, so your tabs would be there when you start the browser again (this might have to be configured first though) |
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| 18:18.54 | adilix | knosys what about mate? |
| 18:20.13 | sydney_untangle | knosys: No, classic is no lighter in recent versions of gnome. |
| 18:20.20 | sydney_untangle | it just hides more. |
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| 18:20.34 | sydney_untangle | mate is the closest to gnome 2 that you can get. |
| 18:20.45 | sydney_untangle | personal favorite... |
| 18:21.29 | valdyn | knosys: you might want to upgrade to jessie, gnome3 can be vastly faster there |
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| 18:21.41 | valdyn | knosys: of course that depends on your specific hardware too |
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| 18:23.24 | knosys | valdyn: already in jessie |
| 18:23.31 | knosys | adilix: I will take a look |
| 18:23.44 | valdyn | knosys: then you need an ssd and more ram or use something else |
| 18:24.07 | sydney_untangle | knosys: How much ram do you have? |
| 18:24.16 | knosys | sad 2 GB |
| 18:24.19 | knosys | :D |
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| 18:24.32 | valdyn | knosys: thats sufficient, then you would need an ssd |
| 18:24.33 | knosys | its a temporary computer |
| 18:24.38 | Jeena | Hi, I have written a Qt 5.4 application in C++ and QML. If I have installed the whole Qt 5.4 build chain than I can do make install and it installs the binary, the icon and the .desktop file in the right place. Where should I start to look if I want to (as a first step) make a simple .deb package which people would be able to download from my website and install? |
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| 18:25.19 | adilix | Jeena link to your website |
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| 18:25.38 | irssi_ | making .deb is not hard |
| 18:25.46 | irssi_ | it will check all the packages for u |
| 18:25.53 | Jeena | adilix, https://github.com/jeena/feedthemonkey |
| 18:25.57 | irssi_ | its kind of like working with apt |
| 18:26.07 | adilix | thx Jeena |
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| 18:27.59 | Jeena | Bacteria, I made once a .deb package for a PythonQt and remember that it was really complicated and I already forgot everything, but perhaps I just did it wrong |
| 18:28.27 | Bacteria | no its just let it create the folder and files |
| 18:28.33 | Bacteria | then u put ur files in there |
| 18:28.48 | Bacteria | then u edit some files |
| 18:28.53 | Bacteria | run config |
| 18:29.02 | Bacteria | and package |
| 18:29.08 | Jeena | this is my script from back then https://github.com/jeena/Bungloo/blob/master/Linux/deploy.sh |
| 18:29.15 | Bacteria | noooooooonononono |
| 18:29.21 | Bacteria | no script |
| 18:29.53 | Bacteria | which is the program that makes deb i forgot |
| 18:29.59 | Bacteria | that program is the script lol |
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| 18:30.25 | Jeena | I still want to be able to let the people upgrade cleanly when they download a new version |
| 18:30.47 | Jeena | hehe |
| 18:30.54 | Bacteria | dont u have to make the new debs |
| 18:30.57 | Bacteria | what u mean |
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| 18:31.44 | Jeena | yeah, I'm not sure how all of this works |
| 18:32.38 | Jeena | the deb somehow includes all changes and stuff |
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| 18:34.44 | Bacteria | yes |
| 18:34.48 | Bacteria | thats what its for |
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| 18:38.25 | bolt | Bacteria: equivs is relatively simple if you don't need any bells and whistles what so ever |
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| 18:39.36 | bolt | Bacteria: for tools with a "make install" or similar option, there's also checkinstall, which is quite neat, depending on what you're after |
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| 18:42.41 | Jeena | bolt, but I need Qt 5.4 for my app even to start, would those allow me to set such a dependency? |
| 18:42.50 | abcd593 | Hi, I want to make a backup using duplicity and upload files to a remote host R2, the problem is, that I can access R2(sftp access) only from R1(ssh access). How can I tunnel duplicity through R1 to R2? Thank you. |
| 18:44.25 | raccoon_ | jelly: problem solved! after reinstalling all packages with invalid checksums i unmounted and forced mdadm to check and resync. rebooted and system is online :-) thanks for the help |
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| 18:55.07 | Bacteria | no i didnt use equis |
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| 18:56.14 | dolapevich | I have a question about linux memory management. |
| 18:56.22 | dolapevich | My server has |
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| 18:56.33 | dolapevich | Cached: 51364340 kB |
| 18:56.46 | dolapevich | those are 50 Gbytes |
| 18:56.56 | dolapevich | I need to start to DBs that need to run from ram |
| 18:57.07 | dolapevich | my plan is to swap off the server |
| 18:57.21 | dolapevich | and start the DBs, each one will use ~10 Gbytes |
| 18:57.37 | dolapevich | will that force the kernel to release those Cached pages? |
| 18:57.58 | phy1729 | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 18:58.34 | phy1729 | short answer: yes |
| 18:59.16 | dolapevich | Yeah, I read that and some other sites |
| 18:59.26 | dolapevich | but I could not get to some place |
| 18:59.41 | dolapevich | where they explain how the cache eviction works |
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| 19:28.51 | Tenkawa | hi all |
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| 19:32.05 | Tenkawa | wish I could get more specs on this board |
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| 19:55.30 | dimitry7 | Hello!! how can I get a list of the packages that have been updated? |
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| 20:00.24 | towo` | dimitry7, updated on a special date? |
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| 20:06.03 | mutantkeyboard | guys I know this might be a bit off-topic, but I installed a Wattos-Microwatt edition which is based off wheezy and I have trouble with getting it to work. Package management just doesn't work. apt-get, nor aptitude, nor synaptic. I tried reinstalling but the same thing happens |
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| 20:07.32 | towo` | mutantkeyboard, it's not a bit, it's totaly off-topic here |
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| 20:09.31 | mutantkeyboard | I apologize. I just thought it'd be a good starting point since it's a debian based distro so I thought someone had a similar experience with broken package management. |
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| 20:09.52 | towo` | based on debian != debian |
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| 20:10.17 | towo` | and btw, <>"does not work" sayes nothing |
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| 20:11.37 | mutantkeyboard | thanks |
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| 20:38.07 | N3X15 | Is there something going on with PHP5? |
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| 20:42.55 | applepi | I am working on a generating a kernel-image .deb for a custom board, however when I rule make modules_install to go with it, I get several firmware blobs too... this causes a conflict if someone tries to get linux-firmware later as some of the files collide. |
| 20:43.04 | applepi | Is there a recommended practice for this sort of thing? |
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| 20:45.13 | jhutchins | N3X15: http://php.net ##php |
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| 20:46.18 | jhutchins | applepi: You might try #debian-mentors on oftc.net |
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| 20:46.20 | Lokke | hello world |
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| 20:46.49 | Lokke | i installed postfixadmin and will now add a symlink to /var/www/mail/ |
| 20:46.57 | Lokke | but how can i do this? |
| 20:47.07 | Lokke | ln -s /usr/share/postfixadmin/ /var/www/mail/ |
| 20:47.17 | Lokke | this is what i did |
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| 20:47.24 | Lokke | but nothing happens there |
| 20:47.40 | Lokke | does anyone know what i am doing wrong there? |
| 20:47.51 | greycat | I believe that will create a symlink named /var/www/mail/postfixadmin pointing to /usr/share/postfixadmin/ |
| 20:48.02 | greycat | I have no idea whether that's what you intended. |
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| 20:51.19 | jhutchins | Lokke: You may have to resort to reading the postfixadmin documentation. I would guess that you need to configure a web browser if you want to interact with that via a browser. |
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| 20:54.17 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.36 | MrAsk | Hello, I need to install debian, but I have no idea which version should I pick. I mean that I don't even know what procesor do I have (I only know that 32 bit version). How do I check procesor on lubuntu? |
| 20:55.55 | rainfyre | google? |
| 20:56.06 | zinx | MrAsk: grep 'model name:' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:56.07 | greycat | If you're on *ubuntu currently, you should be able to cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:56.10 | zinx | erh |
| 20:56.12 | zinx | leave out teh : |
| 20:56.19 | jhutchins | MrAsk: That's a question more proper for #ubuntu, but cat /proc/cpuinfo works pretty much everywhere. |
| 20:57.03 | jhutchins | MrAsk: How do you know it's 32b? |
| 20:57.06 | zinx | as for what your cpu supports, you're probably best off googling the processor model, not sure cpuflags lists things the kernel doesn't support |
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| 20:57.41 | greycat | If it's a desktop PC from the last 5 years, it's probably capable of running amd64. |
| 20:58.03 | MrAsk | jhutchins: I remember that when I bought that notebook there was no 64 yet |
| 20:58.22 | greycat | Just pasting the "model name" line here would be helpful. |
| 20:59.01 | BuSheeZy | anyone prefer any cli screenshot apps? |
| 20:59.10 | BuSheeZy | screenshots of the terminal, lol |
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| 20:59.19 | rainfyre | xfce4-screenshooter |
| 20:59.46 | jhutchins | BuSheeZy: Did you know you can use a mouse to cut and paste in the console with GPM? |
| 21:00.16 | BuSheeZy | What? yes. |
| 21:00.26 | BuSheeZy | This whole computer is a console. |
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| 21:00.41 | BuSheeZy | I'm interested in image output |
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| 21:04.14 | MrAsk | jhutchins: model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455 |
| 21:04.22 | jhutchins | !atom |
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| 21:04.40 | rainfyre | hm |
| 21:04.44 | MrAsk | !atom |
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| 21:05.30 | DammitJim | if I want to add permissions for the group on a folder (but leave user and others the same), do I do chmod g=rw <folder> ? |
| 21:06.00 | greycat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_N455 seems to say that the N455 is included in the "Pineview" group which supports Intel 64 (amd64) |
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| 21:06.07 | rainfyre | MrAsk: do you have more than 4g of ram? |
| 21:06.08 | greycat | Unless I'm reading it wrong. |
| 21:06.44 | rainfyre | greycat: I saw the same thing, |
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| 21:07.28 | MrAsk | fainfyre: loled I have only 1GB, and secound slot where I can put secound from other netbook |
| 21:08.34 | jhutchins | MrAsk: It does depend on the motherboard, some only support 32b. You could try each kind of live image, install whichever one works. |
| 21:08.35 | rainfyre | MrAsk: well, looks like you could install either one. some people only install amd64 distros if they have more than 4 gigs of ram though |
| 21:08.47 | zinx | greycat: i really hate that they call it Intel 64 now, they should just take it like a man and call it amd64. way too many people think ia64 and Intel 64 are the same because of that crap |
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| 21:08.56 | rainfyre | ^ I was thinking the same thing, try a couple live distros |
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| 21:09.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | they should just man up and call it something vendor-neutral. |
| 21:09.31 | jhutchins | zinx: It's a 64b Intel Chip. |
| 21:09.34 | greycat | Or call it amd64 because AMD made it. |
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| 21:09.57 | zinx | jhutchins: amd made the instruction set |
| 21:10.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | greycat: that's precisely the attitude that leaves is in a situation of "intel 64" |
| 21:10.17 | zinx | jhutchins: and intel already has one called "intel architecture 64" aka "ia64" which is something completely different that Intel made |
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| 21:10.40 | greycat | aka Itanium |
| 21:10.41 | jhutchins | zinx: I'm quite familiar with the history. |
| 21:10.48 | zinx | jhutchins: no one had a problem calling 386 "intel 386" and so on and so forth |
| 21:11.12 | zinx | jhutchins: even though amd/cyrix/etc all had chips that used it |
| 21:11.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | really? |
| 21:11.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought it was i386. |
| 21:11.19 | jhutchins | x86_64 is a pretty common description these days. |
| 21:11.26 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: what did you think the i stood for? |
| 21:11.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | checks all his isos |
| 21:11.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | yup. i386. |
| 21:11.34 | zinx | jhutchins: or x64 |
| 21:11.42 | jhutchins | zinx: Nobody has had a problem calling amd65 amd64. |
| 21:11.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: so you'd be okay with "a64" then? |
| 21:11.48 | zinx | jhutchins: right |
| 21:11.53 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: even x64 is fine |
| 21:11.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: intel does. |
| 21:12.00 | rainfyre | i'm not sure if i'm learning something here or just getting more confused. |
| 21:12.01 | zinx | "Intel 64" is not. it's confusing as hell for people. |
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| 21:12.16 | zinx | because, again, there's an "Intel Architecture 64" which is completely different. |
| 21:12.17 | rainfyre | what about x86 and x86_64? |
| 21:12.23 | jhutchins | zinx: Yeah, intel 64 would be itanium. Why not edit the article? |
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| 21:12.32 | zinx | rainfyre: also both fine |
| 21:12.37 | zinx | jhutchins: that's the thing |
| 21:12.42 | rainfyre | zinx: ahh, i'll stick to what i know then :) |
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| 21:12.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, comparing it to amd/cyrix/transmeta et all being "okay" with selling "intel" chips... that's somewhat unfair of a comparison. |
| 21:12.54 | zinx | jhutchins: Intel 64 is what Intel calls amd64/x86_64/x64/whatever you want to call it other than "Intel 64" |
| 21:13.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | these were second tier (at best) players riding the coattails of the dominant player. |
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| 21:13.12 | rainfyre | anyway MrAsk, try both if you can, you should be fine with either one |
| 21:13.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's not an unreasonable expectation. but you think intel's going to swallow their pride and start selling "amd" chips? |
| 21:13.30 | zinx | jhutchins: this is not something some random person came up with that didn't know any better, *intel* is using this terminology. |
| 21:13.33 | MrAsk | ok, thankfuly to you I realized that amd64 isn't for me, because I have 1g ram but on website there are debian version with: amd64 armel armhf i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc s390x |
| 21:13.49 | MrAsk | My knowleadge about hardware is nearly null |
| 21:13.55 | greycat | MrAsk: if you don't want the 64-bit distribution (amd64) then you want the 32-bit one (i386) |
| 21:13.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's an unrealistic expectation. and that's born out by the fact that they'd rather create a confusing situation and call it intel 64. |
| 21:14.18 | MrAsk | greycat: Yeah! thanks |
| 21:14.28 | rainfyre | MrAsk: i386 |
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| 21:15.06 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: again, i don't care if they pick something without amd in the name - i think it's ridiculous that they won't considering the history of the architecture naming - but if they are going to pick something, it shouldn't be something that's so easily confused with ia64 |
| 21:15.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | the internet is funny. always expecting companies to act against their own interest and feigning shock when that doesn't pan out. |
| 21:15.36 | jhutchins | MrAsk: You'd know if you had an s390. They take up a whole room. |
| 21:15.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: ia64 might as well not even exist though. who is it confusing, really? |
| 21:15.46 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: i don't think you're listening to what i'm saying |
| 21:15.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: not to mention the ebcdic! |
| 21:16.03 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: ia64 still exists, believe it or not |
| 21:16.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: yea, all 5 of them. |
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| 21:16.54 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: ia64 does exist, and is heavily used in some applications. |
| 21:16.59 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: and it will always exist on the internet, and people will probably confuse it with "Intel 64" for a long time |
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| 21:17.12 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I had a whole datacenter full of 'em. |
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| 21:18.16 | joshumax | Has anyone had this apt error before? "Packaging system 'Debian dpkg interface' is not supported." If so, how did you solve it? |
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| 21:18.37 | zinx | joshumax: i would expect the solution is to install debian |
| 21:18.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | yes, had. past tense. now someone has a scrapyard full of them. |
| 21:18.43 | rainfyre | ^^ woot! |
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| 21:18.58 | rainfyre | joshumax: was thinking the same thing. are you on fedora or something :) |
| 21:19.08 | joshumax | no I'm on sid |
| 21:19.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | it will confuse a tiny minority of people, people who should know better after being confused for decades by the same thing. |
| 21:19.29 | rainfyre | joshumax: might want to ask in debian-next on oftc .. |
| 21:19.36 | joshumax | dpkg is working just fine and is in the PATH and everything... |
| 21:19.36 | dpkg | joshumax: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:19.37 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: a tiny minority of geeks, perhaps, but normal people are far more common, and will continue to be confused for decades to come |
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| 21:19.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you have an obscure ia64, you should be _keenly_ aware of intel's widely distributed and massively popular intel 64. |
| 21:19.58 | joshumax | I was planning on going over there next but was hoping for an easy solution... |
| 21:20.09 | rainfyre | lol |
| 21:20.11 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: it's not the people with ia64 that will be confused. |
| 21:20.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: show me "normal people" who own ia64 systems. |
| 21:20.27 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: it's the people with Intel 64 who see ia64 and think "oh, i have that!" |
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| 21:20.48 | joshumax | I still have an old Itanium |
| 21:20.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: don't worry, they'll soon no longer see any mentions of ia64. |
| 21:20.49 | joshumax | Sadly |
| 21:21.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | joshumax: you're what we would call a geek :P |
| 21:21.11 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: seriously, it's a lot more popular than you think. but, not in normal use by normal people. it's used in some businesses. |
| 21:21.16 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: in large volumes. |
| 21:21.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | even that's temporary. it never got a solid foothold. it will be phased out for lack of support shortly. |
| 21:21.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | you'll see alpha stick around longer than ia64. |
| 21:22.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | and alpha is already a ghost. |
| 21:22.05 | zinx | it will be phased out, i'm sure, but it'll be in use for a while longer, and it'll still be on the internet long beyond that |
| 21:22.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | how many people are confused by dec builds? roughly zero. |
| 21:22.27 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: you don't get hits for alpha looking for other architectures ;D |
| 21:22.38 | joshumax | Mine kept overheating until it faulted due to some manufacturing error |
| 21:22.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's because there are no alpha builds. |
| 21:22.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | even if it was "dec i386" you'd get no hits. |
| 21:23.01 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: i assure you that if you search for alpha stuff, you will find it. a lot of it. |
| 21:23.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | because it's gone. faded into the distant past. |
| 21:23.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | i think we have different criteria for "a lot" :P |
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| 21:23.38 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: and i'll state again, my only issue is with the naming similarity between two different architectures when it could have been easily avoided. |
| 21:23.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, look at you being all consumer-centric ;) |
| 21:24.01 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: even assuming intel had created it. |
| 21:24.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | look at it from the other side of the argument. |
| 21:24.19 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: i.e., pretend AMD doesn't exist for a moment |
| 21:24.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | amd won. you think they were going to miss an opportunity to stick it to intel and name the architecture after amd? |
| 21:24.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | never. not after dealing with i?86 for so long. |
| 21:25.01 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: pretend AMD doesn't exist for a moment. I'm still not ok with Intel calling one arch "Intel Architecture 64" and another completely different one "Intel 64". that is my issue. nothing else. |
| 21:25.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | and do you think intel would buy into that? while they still had the bulk of the market? not a chance. |
| 21:25.08 | joshumax | *wishes amd64 was renamed ix86_64* |
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| 21:25.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: perhaps if you stop looking at this in a vacuum and take into account the business side of things, you'd understand that this outcome was practically inevitable. |
| 21:25.44 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: i don't know why you're hung up on the whole AMD being in the name thing. |
| 21:25.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: because both AMD and Intel are hung up on it. |
| 21:26.00 | zinx | sigh |
| 21:26.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | because that's the only way to explain why things are the way they are. |
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| 21:26.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | i agree, if you overlook that part, it seems unbelievable that something so confusing would happen. |
| 21:26.47 | greycat | I don't care what Intel chooses to call it. Why are Wikipedia pages calling it "Intel 64"? That's what I don't get. |
| 21:26.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's what happens when you start reasoning things out with incomplete information. it tends to not make sense. |
| 21:27.00 | zinx | greycat: because that's what Intel calls it, and Wikipedia is citing Intel. |
| 21:27.19 | greycat | Why do they cite Intel instead of citing AMD? Because Intel has more commercials on TV? |
| 21:27.28 | joshumax | This is why I hope 64 bit arm processors become mainstream, no more arguments over naming conventions... |
| 21:27.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's unfortunate that these companies have decided battling over branding is more important than clarity for consumers. but can one really be surprised about that? |
| 21:27.55 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: that's what happens when you ignore common sense and name things based on some weirdass need to name exactly like your competitor but with their name replaced with yours |
| 21:28.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: but it's savvy business practice. |
| 21:28.16 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: they could have named it Intel x86-64 for all i care |
| 21:28.55 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: no, it's not. naming a product in a way that can be confused with a shitty failed product is not good business practices AT ALL. |
| 21:29.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | but stealing out the branded naming from your biggest competitor is. s/amd/intel/ yields "intel64" |
| 21:30.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | sure they could've named it "intel something something something", but that's not the same as s/amd/intel/. |
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| 21:30.41 | zinx | clearly i would fail at business. thank god Intel can't since they control the market. |
| 21:30.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | suggests a compromise. how about instead of intel64 and amd64, we just combine the two and call it ia64? |
| 21:31.37 | greycat | proposes that we call ia64 "itanium" but nobody would ever listen to me, so... |
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| 21:32.03 | zinx | greycat: that'd be fine and all, but Intel calls it ia64 :P |
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| 21:32.39 | OSVG | ia64 is not x86_64 |
| 21:32.48 | greycat | We know that. |
| 21:33.38 | zinx | we are geeks ;D |
| 21:33.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | ia64 is not something that exists in any meaningful capacity. ia64 exists like pic16 exists. |
| 21:33.51 | OSVG | If the wikipedia article cites an x86_64 processor as "Intel 64" then it should be corrected. |
| 21:33.59 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: uhm, you may not be aware but pic16 is extremely popular |
| 21:34.08 | OSVG | NoImNotNineVolt: I wish I lived in a world where I didn't see pic16s or Itaniums. |
| 21:34.24 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: i probably have a few devices in the house that use them. |
| 21:34.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: orly? people are lining up to trade their taylor swift albums for pic16s? |
| 21:34.39 | OSVG | That and PowerPC based Macs. |
| 21:34.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | you have a very funny idea of "extremely popular". |
| 21:34.57 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: manufacturers of consumer and industrial electronics use them. |
| 21:35.12 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: customers want the products that use them, not the chips themselves |
| 21:35.15 | OSVG | zinx: Remember, only Pee-cees have processors. |
| 21:35.24 | OSVG | eyerolls |
| 21:35.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | i call bull. i've been trying to get a job in embedded systems dev since i got out of school a decade ago. you're having fond memories of the 1980s, my friend. |
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| 21:35.57 | OSVG | 50-199-49-14-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net |
| 21:35.58 | OSVG | Dammit |
| 21:36.01 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: i do embedded systems development, i prefer to use more powerful processors, but they are still very much in use |
| 21:36.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | they "use them", as in they hooked them up in the 80s and haven't touched them since. |
| 21:36.05 | OSVG | http://www.microchip.com/ParamChartSearch/chart.aspx?branchID=1002&mid=10&lang=en&pageId=74&redirect=pic16pst |
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| 21:36.18 | OSVG | pic16s, sold, in production, large amounts, I wonder why if they don't get used any more? |
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| 21:36.27 | zinx | OSVG: yeah, no kidding |
| 21:36.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | for my sophomore project i built a sweet polyphonic synth around a pic16. |
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| 21:36.46 | OSVG | Pricing for those chips starts in 5k batches. |
| 21:36.51 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt is delusional and has no idea what exists outside his own little bubble :/ |
| 21:37.05 | OSVG | As in, you can't buy less than 5,000 of them. |
| 21:37.27 | OSVG | Given that 5,000 of them is under $1/ea for most of them, I'd say they must be popular in ~something~ |
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| 21:38.12 | zinx | the important bit there, though, is that it's In Production and they aren't telling you to consider a different chip. |
| 21:38.23 | OSVG | Correct. Or a different arch. |
| 21:38.27 | zinx | which means they consider it a current product that they are actively making, and selling. |
| 21:38.49 | zinx | and i can assure you that they sell a LOT OF THEM |
| 21:39.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | compared to what? |
| 21:39.50 | OSVG | are you fucking serious? |
| 21:39.53 | OSVG | Did you click the link? |
| 21:39.55 | OSVG | :-\ |
| 21:40.30 | OSVG | 5,000 unit batches, multiple part numbers, all ~in current production~ available for sale. |
| 21:40.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | digikey sells them in singles. |
| 21:40.44 | OSVG | A lot of them compared to the number of PCs in the world, would be a good start. |
| 21:40.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | does intel sell lots of 1 chip? |
| 21:41.11 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: probably a lot more than microchip does ;P |
| 21:41.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | honestly doesn't know. i'd imagine they too partner with retailers. |
| 21:41.25 | zinx | NoImNotNineVolt: microchip is going to deal almost entirely in bulk |
| 21:41.37 | zinx | Intel sells chips retail |
| 21:41.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | zinx: i thought that could be said for all manufacturers. |
| 21:41.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | do they? |
| 21:41.44 | zinx | yes, they do. |
| 21:41.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's news to me. i'm surprised to hear that. |
| 21:41.54 | zinx | they sell retail boxes with heatsinks/fans included no less |
| 21:41.55 | rainfyre | best convo in here i've ever seen |
| 21:42.03 | rainfyre | soooo offtopic |
| 21:42.09 | rainfyre | sooooo interesting though |
| 21:42.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | indeed, apologies. |
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| 21:42.14 | rainfyre | lol no worries |
| 21:42.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm also in offtopic if that makes more sense :P |
| 21:42.30 | zinx | microchip probably doesn't even have the capability to package a single chip |
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| 21:43.14 | jhutchins | Yeah, seriously offtopic guys, needs to move to -offtopic if you want to continue. |
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| 21:50.27 | lanodan | libjpeg62-turbo : Conflicts: libjpeg62 |
| 21:50.35 | lanodan | How do I deal with that ? |
| 21:51.55 | OSVG | Do you have any dependencies on libjpeg62? |
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| 21:54.17 | gurke_ | what ftp server do you recommend? |
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| 21:54.43 | OSVG | personally I like vsftpd |
| 21:54.48 | gurke_ | thanks |
| 21:54.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | i second that. |
| 21:55.48 | Bacteria | me2 |
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| 21:57.48 | cafuego | They all send the password in cleartext, so any will do :-) |
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| 21:58.14 | lanodan | OOSVG: Yes, and I need the 2 programs |
| 21:58.58 | OSVG | cafuego: sftp |
| 21:59.07 | adilix | vsftp and nothing else |
| 21:59.16 | OSVG | I don't use traditional FTP for anything, that's part of why I use vsftpd. |
| 21:59.27 | cafuego | OSVG: sftp and ftp are not the same thing |
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| 21:59.54 | cafuego | vsftpd is just a traditional ftpd afaik... or did they hack in ssh support? |
| 22:00.20 | OSVG | cafuego: Well, I sure hope so because I have a stack of boxes running vsftpd that I sftp into. |
| 22:00.33 | OSVG | Also, what about sftp is not FTP? It's FTP via an SSH tunnel. |
| 22:00.40 | cafuego | OSVG: sftp is just an sshd subsystem, nothing to do with vsftpd afaik. |
| 22:00.42 | greycat | It is *not*. |
| 22:00.57 | greycat | sftp is a completely different protocol. It is NOT ftp in a tunnel. |
| 22:01.04 | adilix | sftp is the secure ftp afaik |
| 22:01.10 | cafuego | OSVG: If all you do is sftp, I'd rmeove vsftpd as that's a nice attack vector. |
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| 22:01.34 | greycat | If you sftp into a machine, you are communicating with sshd, not with vsftpd. |
| 22:02.09 | jhutchins | ftp over ssl is sometimes called sftp (rather than ftps). |
| 22:02.30 | greycat | If anyone calls that sftp, they are wrong. |
| 22:03.41 | jhutchins | greycat: It's pretty widely used, and pre-dates wide use of the ssh protocol. |
| 22:04.03 | jhutchins | greycat: I agree that it's wrong, but the truth is it's ambigous unless you know. |
| 22:04.16 | gurke_ | 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
| 22:04.27 | gurke_ | when i want to start vsftpd |
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| 22:06.02 | greycat | probably some other daemon is listening on that port already |
| 22:06.50 | jhutchins | gurke_: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd is not empty. |
| 22:07.47 | jhutchins | gurke_: When you're enabling a public-facing service it's a good idea to read some over-all documentation for it before you start. |
| 22:08.24 | gurke_ | i dont like to make it available for public.. just for users |
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| 22:09.05 | jhutchins | gurke_: If it's on an open network, it's public. "Public" can have a range of meanings too, depending on what kind of users you have. |
| 22:09.29 | jhutchins | gurke_: "public-facing" just means it can be seen from the internet. |
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| 22:09.46 | gurke_ | hmm |
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| 22:12.34 | gurke_ | i just want to install wordpress plugins.. i need an ftp connection to do that |
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| 22:12.45 | gurke_ | :/ |
| 22:13.02 | greycat | If you really do need an FTP server, vsftpd seems to be the best choice. |
| 22:13.23 | gurke_ | i already downloaded it |
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| 22:13.36 | OSVG | gurke_: If that's really all you need, then apparently just connect using a client capable of sftp to your ssh port and you should be able to put the files in that way. |
| 22:13.42 | OSVG | shrugs |
| 22:13.47 | OSVG | Sorry for being an idiot earlier apparently. |
| 22:14.01 | cafuego | gurke_: You could just put the plugins in the right directory when logged in through ssh, I'm pretty sure there's no need to use the web gui that requires an ftp server |
| 22:14.26 | gurke_ | no you havent been an idiot earlier OSVG :) |
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| 22:14.45 | gurke_ | iam just very newb to debian or unix alike stuff |
| 22:15.25 | OSVG | gurke_: Obviously I was, confusing things. Seriously though, if you need to use ftp to put the files there then you can simply use sftp with a client such as filezilla which supports it as long as you have ssh access to the machine. |
| 22:15.55 | gurke_ | vsftpd is overpowered for my needings? |
| 22:16.22 | cafuego | gurke_: just ssh to the server and unzip the plugin zip file under wp-content/plugins |
| 22:16.46 | cafuego | I mean, if you can install an ftp daemon you can also unzip a file |
| 22:17.03 | gurke_ | how to uninstall vsftpd again? |
| 22:17.19 | greycat | dpkg --remove vsftpd |
| 22:17.19 | dpkg | rips the still-beating vsftpd from greycat's chest, leaving greycat in a coma. |
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| 22:17.24 | cafuego | apt-get remove --purge vsftpd (will also remove its config files) |
| 22:17.54 | themill | notes that wordpress does not require ftp to install plugins |
| 22:18.24 | gurke_ | themill it was asked for |
| 22:18.56 | gurke_ | thank you cafuego |
| 22:19.27 | gurke_ | themill To perform the requested action, WordPress needs to access your web server. Please enter your FTP credentials to proceed. If you do not remember your credentials, you should contact your web host. |
| 22:19.53 | themill | Only because you've not allowed it to use other methods. |
| 22:20.03 | gurke_ | oh |
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| 22:20.46 | gurke_ | how do i allow that themill? sorry for off-topic |
| 22:21.32 | themill | See /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian |
| 22:21.45 | gurke_ | thanks |
| 22:22.37 | gurke_ | there no such directory |
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| 22:35.19 | jhutchins | gurke_: There are plenty of docs out there. I would imagine that this is the same method that Drupal uses, and that you have to set the permissions and ownership to allow the user Wordpress runs as to write the files. |
| 22:35.47 | jhutchins | gurke_: The correct way to figure it out is to consult the Wordpress documentation, which is very extensive. |
| 22:35.52 | gurke_ | jhutchins i think php hasnt the rights to write |
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| 22:37.10 | jhutchins | gurke_: It's not php, it's the wordpress/apache USER. You need to have the correct ownership and permissions. If you install an update through wordpress that will probably not be correct. |
| 22:37.52 | gurke_ | how do i find out what user is used for apache? |
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| 22:37.52 | jhutchins | gurke_: If there's anything that was installed by anything other than dpkg, you probably need to chown -R the Wordpress tree. |
| 22:38.17 | jhutchins | gurke_: You could read the apache docs, but ps axu will show the user name if it's running. |
| 22:39.09 | gurke_ | its www-data |
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| 22:39.14 | Tiberio | hi all |
| 22:39.32 | Tiberio | I have a problem with sox (running debian 7.8) |
| 22:39.58 | Tiberio | FAIL sox: Sorry, there is no default audio device configured |
| 22:40.21 | Tiberio | using root |
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| 22:41.24 | jhutchins | gurke_: So all of the files in the Wordpress tree need to be owned by www-data:www-data |
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| 22:41.56 | gurke_ | chown www-data /dir? |
| 22:42.04 | jhutchins | gurke_: I had to check which owner debian uses, I work with several distros, and you got it before I did. |
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| 22:42.12 | greycat | chown -R www-data:www-data /the/dir |
| 22:42.24 | jhutchins | gurke_: Take a look at the chown man page - you'll see what greycat's option does. |
| 22:42.36 | greycat | And make REALLY sure you have the right directory there. |
| 22:43.07 | gurke_ | -R does it for all files included in that directory |
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| 22:44.15 | gurke_ | yea!! it does work |
| 22:44.23 | gurke_ | thank tons |
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| 22:45.23 | gurke_ | maybe iam able to handle debian some day :P |
| 22:45.55 | jhutchins | gurke_: -R not only does all the files in the directory (* would handle that), it also does any subdirectories and the files in them. |
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| 22:46.17 | jhutchins | gurke_: Depending on how your wordpress site goes, you might need to do this occasionally, especially after upgrades. |
| 22:46.44 | jhutchins | gurke_: You might want to use www-data:wordpress, but save that until you understand groups and permissions better. |
| 22:46.45 | gurke_ | hehe |
| 22:46.50 | jhutchins | gurke_ The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 22:47.34 | gurke_ | thanks for the link |
| 22:47.39 | gurke_ | gonna check that out |
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| 22:48.09 | jhutchins | gurke_: The reason I knew to do that is that I had to solve the same problem in Drupal. We all start somewhere. |
| 22:48.29 | adilix | so people anyone can help me with xclock? i cant get it to work with the option --twentyfour is there any bug? |
| 22:48.40 | gurke_ | jhutchins orly? thats funny =) |
| 22:49.03 | jhutchins | adilix: Single dash. |
| 22:49.32 | jhutchins | gurke_: Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 22:49.42 | gurke_ | lol |
| 22:50.00 | gurke_ | i might need a backup tool for debian |
| 22:50.02 | gurke_ | haha |
| 22:50.02 | adilix | jhutchins ? |
| 22:50.08 | gurke_ | do you know one? |
| 22:50.41 | jhutchins | gurke_: There are many. I've used several, and it just depends on what you're comfortable with and what you're doing with it. |
| 22:50.44 | jhutchins | !backup |
| 22:50.44 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
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| 22:51.45 | gurke_ | hmm |
| 22:51.50 | jhutchins | gurke_: THat's actually a bit out of date. Hot-swapable hard drives are cheaper than tape or DVD. |
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| 22:52.08 | gurke_ | oh dude this server is online |
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| 22:52.15 | gurke_ | not my machine |
| 22:52.31 | Bacteria | bro |
| 22:52.33 | Bacteria | :> |
| 22:52.40 | jhutchins | gurke_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_testing |
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| 22:52.58 | jhutchins | gurke_: You can back things up over the network with tools like rsync. |
| 22:53.16 | greycat | I backup selected bits of my VPS to my home machine via rsync. |
| 22:53.16 | gurke_ | is it a client for my own os? |
| 22:53.48 | jhutchins | gurke_: rsync is a versitile file transport system, available on most distributions. |
| 22:54.02 | gurke_ | gonna install it on my mbp |
| 22:54.12 | greycat | rsync is totally a thing you should install everywhere |
| 22:54.18 | jhutchins | gurke_: You can make local compressed backups and transfer them, or transfer the files to your home system and compress them there. |
| 22:54.34 | gurke_ | thats cool |
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| 22:54.47 | jhutchins | gurke_: Read stuff. Read more than one document and compare. |
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| 22:55.21 | gurke_ | i am tight with time.. thats my problem |
| 22:55.44 | greycat | If you think backups are a time sink, LACK of backups when you need them is much worse. |
| 22:56.11 | gurke_ | true story |
| 22:58.08 | gurke_ | you guys helped me a lot |
| 22:58.20 | gurke_ | thank you.. ill really take a look into rsync |
| 22:58.36 | gurke_ | and the guidelines for linux administration |
| 22:58.48 | gurke_ | good night |
| 23:00.12 | gurke_ | btw |
| 23:00.15 | gurke_ | how to delete a user? |
| 23:00.53 | gurke_ | i gave my vps into hands of a friend and there is a user with root rights.. i want to delete that one |
| 23:01.37 | greycat | Personally I would use "vipw" and delete the line from the password file, then from the /etc/shadow file too. |
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| 23:02.14 | gurke_ | oh well its a group called ELITE |
| 23:02.21 | greycat | If you don't like vi, that's fine. It will use whatever your EDITOR variable is set to, your system-wide default editor. |
| 23:02.23 | gurke_ | just found it by experimenting |
| 23:02.33 | greycat | *or your |
| 23:02.50 | zinx | sensible-editor'd |
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| 23:03.17 | gurke_ | the group is just called ELITE with root rights |
| 23:03.24 | gurke_ | i think i need to delete the group |
| 23:03.37 | zinx | i think you need to reinstall |
| 23:03.46 | gurke_ | lol |
| 23:03.56 | zinx | and also, get better friends. |
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| 23:04.10 | gurke_ | why do i have to reinstall? |
| 23:04.17 | greycat | Because you don't know what else they did. |
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| 23:04.30 | gurke_ | oh gosh iam debian newbie |
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| 23:05.31 | gurke_ | i think i really have to learn unix |
| 23:05.43 | gurke_ | i asked him for a service to make my server save |
| 23:05.47 | dimitry7 | Hello!! how can I get a list of the packages that have been updated? |
| 23:05.48 | gurke_ | lol |
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| 23:06.09 | greycat | dimitry7: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:06.11 | Spec | dimitry7: there's a log available, typically /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:06.26 | greycat | (and dpkg.log.1 and so on) |
| 23:06.45 | gurke_ | how do i reinstall debian? is there an easy command? |
| 23:06.51 | dimitry7 | greycat, oh man you're right! Thanks! |
| 23:07.01 | Quatroking | is it possible to replace the sudo command with genki sudo |
| 23:07.01 | dimitry7 | Spec, yes, thank you!! |
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| 23:13.46 | gurke_ | when i try to reinstall my vps by the hosters interface i get a message like "didnt find a medium for this virtual server" |
| 23:13.50 | gurke_ | is there a reason? |
| 23:14.22 | greycat | You'd have to ask your VPS provider. |
| 23:14.55 | turnedtodust | yeah. |
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| 23:16.08 | gurke_ | [00:13:46] <gurke_>when i try to reinstall my vps by the hosters interface i get a message like "didnt find a medium for this virtual server" |
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| 23:16.11 | gurke_ | i had d/c |
| 23:16.28 | greycat | You'd have to ask your VPS provider. |
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| 23:17.00 | gurke_ | to reinstall my vps? |
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| 23:17.44 | greycat | Report the problem to them, ask how you're supposed to do it, whatever. |
| 23:18.09 | teraflop | greycat: to whatever related to the service they provide and you hired ^ |
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| 23:18.29 | greycat | Yes, the point being it's all dependent on them, and we have no idea. |
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| 23:18.31 | teraflop | sorry gurke_ * |
| 23:18.51 | gurke_ | okay |
| 23:18.54 | gurke_ | thank you |
| 23:19.10 | Contrl | I'm trying to connect via VNC across the network from one Debian Jessie device to another. I went into the 'Sharing' part and enabled it in there, but this doesn't seem to work. Connection gets refused every time. |
| 23:20.11 | gurke_ | debian 6 or 7? what is preffered? |
| 23:20.49 | greycat | If your VPS only installs Debian 6, you can upgrade it to 7 afterward. |
| 23:20.52 | adilix | 7 forever |
| 23:20.58 | gurke_ | ah okay |
| 23:21.15 | gurke_ | but i think iam able to install 7 directly |
| 23:21.40 | teraflop | Contrl: may be you have to open some ports if the remote machine is behind a router doing NAT |
| 23:22.00 | Contrl | teraflop: Same network, no NAT |
| 23:22.52 | gurke_ | i have mounted cdrom debian 7.3.0 |
| 23:22.59 | gurke_ | am i able to reinstall it now? |
| 23:23.17 | greycat | We have no idea how your VPS works. You can try, maybe. |
| 23:23.27 | gurke_ | how to do that |
| 23:23.33 | greycat | We. Don't. Know. |
| 23:23.46 | teraflop | Contrl: then check if the service is running and the ports are open |
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| 23:25.50 | gurke_ | i have access to vnc greycat |
| 23:25.58 | teraflop | s/open/ i meant the service is listening on the right ports |
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| 23:29.11 | gurke_ | i give up |
| 23:29.13 | gurke_ | good night |
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| 23:29.40 | teraflop | weird |
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| 23:30.35 | turnedtodust | just wow.. |
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| 23:31.54 | Contrl | teraflop: What service am I looking for? |
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| 23:33.08 | teraflop | Contrl: VNC server, didn't you set it up? |
| 23:33.22 | Contrl | teraflop: No.. I hit 'On' |
| 23:33.36 | Contrl | In All Settings there is a 'Sharing' option |
| 23:33.50 | Contrl | You can set Screen Sharing to On |
| 23:34.50 | teraflop | Contrl: there are a bunch of vnc thingies I realy do not know where did you "hit on" |
| 23:35.03 | Contrl | In Debian Jessie, go to All Settings |
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| 23:35.28 | teraflop | Contrl: do you mean gnome? |
| 23:35.37 | Contrl | Yes |
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| 23:35.59 | Contrl | Double-click Sharing at the bottom. Click On at the top and go to Screen Sharing. This is where I'm at. |
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| 23:37.27 | teraflop | Contrl: no idea about that, i suppose it's the vino/vinagre whatever built in gnome service |
| 23:37.51 | teraflop | Contrl: https://help.gnome.org/users/empathy/stable/share-desktop.html.en ? |
| 23:39.20 | Contrl | teraflop: That's not it |
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| 23:43.58 | Contrl | teraflop: I'm not using Empathy either.. |
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