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| 00:40.04 | antranigv | hay! |
| 00:40.55 | adilix | hi |
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| 00:41.54 | zoku | neither dracut or initramfs-tools will include modules in my kernel build |
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| 00:42.11 | zoku | anyone had these issues? |
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| 00:51.13 | A|an | Will the floor collapse and the ceiling fly away if I try to install Footnote (a really nice-sounding piece of journaling software) and follow the directions (for Ubuntu) at http://ubuntuguide.net/footnote-simple-note-taking-app-in-the-style-of-elementary? |
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| 00:51.35 | zoku | nevermind dracut seemed to work this time |
| 00:51.47 | A|an | Specifically: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nemequ/sqlheavy |
| 00:52.26 | A|an | followed by sudo apt-get update |
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| 00:58.42 | gcosmin | hi, can anyone help me to increase touchpad sensibility |
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| 00:59.27 | gcosmin | on windows I can tap once and that means one left click ... |
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| 01:06.08 | polyphagia | gcosmin: what does tap once on debian do? |
| 01:07.01 | themill | sounds like you want: synclient TapButton1=1 (there will be an equivalent clicky gui that you could use too) |
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| 01:10.27 | gcosmin | polyphagia, does not do anything, I have to click hard on bottom left to get a let click |
| 01:12.55 | gcosmin | haha :) polyphagia I have sort it out now, in Applications - System tool - Preferences is Mouse and Touchpad |
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| 01:13.49 | gcosmin | had to tick the box with Enable mouse lick with touchpad and Two finger scrolling |
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| 01:13.56 | zoku | gah, nevermind, dracut was building that initramfs for an old kernel |
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| 01:16.10 | voip_ | Hello guys i need to do command /etc/init.d/program restart from user witout password. I made changes in sudoers file: user ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/program , But system agin asks password |
| 01:16.36 | gcosmin | unfortunately if you tap on touchpad with 2 fingers at the same time does not take it as right click |
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| 01:24.24 | themill | gcosmin: TapButton2=3 |
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| 01:30.27 | voip_ | Hello guys i need to do command /etc/init.d/program restart from user witout password. I made changes in sudoers file: user ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/program , But system agin asks password |
| 01:30.52 | gcosmin | themill, do I have just to insert that line in .conf or I have to add a new Secition ? |
| 01:31.18 | themill | gcosmin: you can just run that at login time with synclinet |
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| 01:32.51 | gcosmin | themill, ahaha, works perfectly now. thanks. I hope that will remain as default |
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| 01:33.51 | themill | gcosmin: the setting needs to be applied each time you log in. Either add it to your login/autostart bits or put it in xorg.conf.d (doing it on login is less messy) |
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| 01:39.23 | gcosmin | themill, thank you. it is too late for me now 1:38 and tomorrow I have to wake up early to start studding. night ! |
| 01:41.14 | themill | no worries! good luck with it |
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| 02:09.38 | adilix | anyone know what happend to xlockmore package |
| 02:13.11 | futurebiff | Hi all, I just made a fresh Jessie RC1 amd64 install from netinst successfully, GRUB2 detected UEFI situation perfectly, etc. |
| 02:13.36 | futurebiff | But I am using encrypted root, but my keyboard is not detected by initramfs so I cannot enter decrypt passphrase to boot! |
| 02:14.01 | futurebiff | The keyboard works fine BEFORE that in UEFI setup and GRUB menus |
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| 02:16.23 | shentino | What package do I install to get installation suggestions when I type a command that isn't there? |
| 02:16.28 | polyphagia | oh ok good gcosmin :) |
| 02:16.38 | shentino | example: If I type in "partprobe", it says it's not there but I can get it by installing whatever |
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| 02:25.24 | djshotglass | need some help installing a bootable copy of debian to a cf card |
| 02:25.44 | SirLagz | just install it to the CF card as if the CF card as a hard drive |
| 02:26.02 | djshotglass | hmm |
| 02:26.07 | djshotglass | now i feel stupid lol |
| 02:26.11 | djshotglass | derp |
| 02:26.35 | SirLagz | haha |
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| 02:27.12 | djshotglass | ill have to make a change to grub before i will be able to put the cf in the embeded device and boot it |
| 02:27.21 | djshotglass | can i just chroot |
| 02:27.31 | SirLagz | djshotglass: depends on the embedded device... |
| 02:27.48 | djshotglass | i just need to enable serial console |
| 02:27.52 | un214 | chroot is easy |
| 02:28.17 | SirLagz | djshotglass: actually yeah, you'd need to chroot to modify the grub config file then run installgrub |
| 02:28.26 | SirLagz | or install-grub ? whatever the command was |
| 02:29.03 | un214 | SirLagz: how did you convince the grub2 scripts to not ovewrite the config file? |
| 02:29.12 | SirLagz | un214: which config file ? |
| 02:29.23 | un214 | /boot/grub/grub.config |
| 02:29.45 | SirLagz | have you read the comments in /boot/grub/grub.conf ? |
| 02:30.23 | un214 | yeah |
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| 02:30.33 | un214 | it pointed me to generated by scripts |
| 02:31.22 | SirLagz | yes, you modify those scripts rather than the configuration file |
| 02:32.22 | un214 | it ended up being a case of autodetect gone completely wrong |
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| 02:33.04 | un214 | I couldn't convince the scripts to do anything like the right thing |
| 02:33.09 | un214 | like read the / entry in /etc/fstab |
| 02:34.51 | un214 | I'm completely serious |
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| 02:36.27 | djshotglass | debain installer doesnt detect the cf card as a hdd |
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| 02:41.10 | SirLagz | djshotglass: well balls |
| 02:41.32 | SirLagz | un214: that sounds like a scripting issue |
| 02:41.43 | djshotglass | i had it plugged in before i booted installer |
| 02:41.59 | djshotglass | plugged it in after and now its hanging on detect hard drives |
| 02:42.18 | djshotglass | stuck at 50% scanning disks |
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| 02:42.49 | djshotglass | io light on cf card isnt blinking so its not reading or writing to it so not sure why its hanging |
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| 03:11.20 | miroesq | I want to download the latest Debian Server CD via torrent. I am not sure whether to download debian-7.8.0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent or debian-update-7.8.0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent. Can someone shed some light on this? |
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| 03:16.31 | kellnola | it doesn't matter any version 7 will do so long as you update it after installing. Those are confusing names |
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| 03:29.15 | sydney | miroesq: Doesnt matter what one you chose. |
| 03:29.35 | sydney | there should be no diference. |
| 03:29.54 | miroesq | sydney: the regular file was 600+ MB, the update was only like 124, so i went with the regular 7.8.0 |
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| 03:31.00 | kellnola | it is probably just an update cd for people with no internet |
| 03:31.01 | sydney | miroesq: Ok. |
| 03:31.11 | sydney | Could be. |
| 03:31.41 | miroesq | sydney: I just loaded up both torrents and saw the difference in the file size, so went with the bigger one |
| 03:32.46 | sydney | Good. |
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| 04:21.38 | Jkessler | any rsync gurus on? i built a samba server with SSD for OS and two 2TB drives looking for an rsync command to back one of the 2TB drives to the other |
| 04:23.10 | Jkessler | i'll worry about crontab later. just want a good command to backup everything from one drive to the other |
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| 04:25.06 | Jkessler | I'm pretty sure /dev/sdc1 is the active drive and /dev/sdb1 is going to be backup |
| 04:25.44 | Ben64 | device doesn't matter, rsync works with files |
| 04:27.00 | Jkessler | yeah but i want to do this right and man pages make my head spin. i've done plenty of searching can't find what i need. the backup can be a tar file, would be great to preserve timestamps and permissions though |
| 04:28.24 | Ben64 | man rsync |
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| 04:28.40 | Ben64 | the right way never involves doing anything with /dev |
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| 04:29.00 | Jkessler | i've been studying it |
| 04:29.14 | Jkessler | but i'm only an intermediate user |
| 04:30.50 | Jkessler | i mislabeled the drives. active drive is mounted at /media/JournalBackup and backup drive is mounted at /media/JournalData |
| 04:32.06 | Jkessler | it'll work fine but I just need a good rsync command with the right switches incase of catastrophe |
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| 04:33.43 | Jkessler | and advice on whether I should .tar the backup or even better if I can make a copy of the files without compression |
| 04:34.25 | Ben64 | i wouldn't use tar |
| 04:34.42 | Jkessler | there's a ton of data and if I mess this up, the local paper doesn't go out |
| 04:34.52 | Jkessler | good. i didn't want to tar |
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| 04:36.07 | Jkessler | if i can find the right rsync command i'll try to tackle doing it in crontab weekly |
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| 04:36.36 | Ben64 | well what are you not understanding from the man page |
| 04:37.09 | cafuego | Jkessler: rsnapshot is a lovely way of backing up |
| 04:37.18 | Jkessler | i'm bad at interpreting them in general |
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| 04:37.43 | Ben64 | well you gotta ask a question before you can get an answer |
| 04:37.48 | Jkessler | rsnapshot? i haven't heard of that. i'll do some searching |
| 04:38.35 | Jkessler | ugh... Ben64 don't be an elitist. scares people away from linux |
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| 04:38.47 | Ben64 | who's being elite? |
| 04:38.55 | Ben64 | you're not asking a question... |
| 04:38.56 | cafuego | it's called 1337 |
| 04:39.07 | Jkessler | i tried to explain my question the best i can |
| 04:39.38 | Jkessler | looking for rsync -switches source dest -- that's it |
| 04:39.55 | Ben64 | you don't need any switches |
| 04:40.13 | Ben64 | but you gotta explain exactly what you want |
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| 04:41.15 | Jkessler | i want an exact copy of one drive to the other. i'm going to try it manually and when it works try to figure out how to put it into crontab |
| 04:41.46 | Jkessler | recursive folders, permissions, etc. |
| 04:41.57 | Jkessler | timestamps |
| 04:41.58 | Ben64 | rsync -a |
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| 04:42.54 | Jkessler | looks like a lot of switches there |
| 04:42.57 | somiaj | Jkessler: yea rsync is nice if you want to copy from one filesystem to another. If you want to mirror the file system, then just cp (or dd) the filesystem. |
| 04:43.19 | Jkessler | i used dd before but not since '08, can't remember. |
| 04:43.22 | somiaj | cp -a works too, but rsync is nice (espically if something intrupts) |
| 04:43.39 | somiaj | well depends, are you copying the file system or the files on it? (: |
| 04:43.43 | Jkessler | hmmm |
| 04:43.43 | ectospasm | I'm having trouble with bluetoothctl pairing my Bluetooth mouse. It worked before my computer froze (due to wonky power management settings in xscreensaver). When I rebooted the mouse won't connect (well, it says Connected: yes, then no shortly thereafter) |
| 04:44.03 | Jkessler | no. just drives holding files. i have another drive for OS |
| 04:44.24 | somiaj | Jkessler: and they are both unix style file systmes? Then rsync -a or cp -a |
| 04:44.51 | Jkessler | so rsync -a source dest ? |
| 04:45.15 | somiaj | correct, just be careful if your source is a dir, it acts differently if you put the trailing slash '/' on it or not, check the manpage |
| 04:45.19 | ectospasm | Now when I try to remove the mouse device to re-pair, I get this: org.bluez.Error.NotReady |
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| 04:45.27 | Jkessler | for example rsync -a /media/JournalBackup /media/JournalData |
| 04:45.30 | somiaj | i.e. without the slash it copies the directory, with the slash it copies the files in the directory. |
| 04:45.54 | Jkessler | ? |
| 04:45.55 | ectospasm | I restarted bluetooth with systemctl restart bluetooth.service, and now I can't get anywhere |
| 04:45.58 | somiaj | Jkessler: that would put the files in /media/JournalData/JournalBackup (add a trailing slash if you don't want that) |
| 04:46.26 | Jkessler | yeah, trailing slash, noted |
| 04:47.01 | somiaj | shoudl be tailing, not sure why I said trail. :/ |
| 04:47.22 | Jkessler | i knew what ya meant |
| 04:47.33 | somiaj | But either way, that will work well, and then next time you want to backup/copy, that command will only copy the files that have changed saving time |
| 04:47.35 | Jkessler | for example rsync -a /media/JournalBackup /media/JournalData/ --- better? |
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| 04:47.52 | gtsnexp | anyone working with 4k monitors here? |
| 04:48.20 | somiaj | Jkessler: no, rsync -a /media/JournalBackup/ /media/JournalData -- the slash is about how you treat the source. man rsync and look up 'trailing slash' (hmm that is what they call it in teh man page) |
| 04:48.20 | Jkessler | that's exactly what i want |
| 04:48.50 | Jkessler | i'm so bad at interpreting man pages |
| 04:48.55 | Jkessler | i do try |
| 04:50.22 | somiaj | Jkessler: the other option is 'rsync -a /media/JournalBackup /media' |
| 04:50.29 | Jkessler | ok, didn't know that the slash is how you treat the source |
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| 04:50.51 | somiaj | oh wait that woudln't work, arg |
| 04:51.15 | Ben64 | you're going from the backup to data? |
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| 04:51.24 | Ben64 | i thought backup would be the destination |
| 04:51.38 | somiaj | Jkessler: I'm use to having the source and dest having the same name but on different servers, so I use 'rsync -a /path/to/directory host:' |
| 04:51.41 | Jkessler | they're mislabeled. it looks good in samba |
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| 04:52.42 | Jkessler | can't remember what command i used from a tutorial but /media/JournalBackup is their active drive |
| 04:53.00 | Jkessler | shows they edited it today |
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| 04:54.49 | Jkessler | i can find a lot of tutorials that rsync between machines but hard to find tutorials that copy local drives w/o filesystem |
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| 04:56.39 | Jkessler | but lots of good info from somiaj, logging this |
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| 04:57.39 | Rusty1 | there is also grsync, if you have a gui environment |
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| 04:58.09 | somiaj | Jkessler: only difference is how you call the dest, so instead of host:path it is just path |
| 04:58.14 | Jkessler | this is headless and the final command is going into crontab |
| 04:58.18 | somiaj | Jkessler: between doing from remote machines to doing it on local machine. |
| 04:58.32 | Jkessler | ok |
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| 04:59.40 | Jkessler | i wonder if i should try this tomorrow so if i mess up i still have a backup on an external minus this week's paper |
| 04:59.52 | Jkessler | and can work on the weekend |
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| 05:00.15 | somiaj | that is safe pratice. Try it in a sandbox or closed enviroment first (: |
| 05:00.33 | Jkessler | i mislabeled the drives last time and got old data took me a lot of extra work |
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| 05:01.16 | Jkessler | how will if i know that it works in a sandbox? I saw a "dryrun" switch somewhere |
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| 05:01.52 | somiaj | Jkessler: dryrun will only output what it would have done but not actually do anything |
| 05:02.12 | somiaj | Jkessler: your sandbox will of course have to have a duplicatate of part or some of your system (lots of times only a fraction of the full data) |
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| 05:03.13 | Jkessler | they're only using 1/3 of each drive |
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| 05:04.38 | Jkessler | i think i'm getting closer with your help though |
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| 05:13.06 | Jkessler | i'll review the logs and give it a shot |
| 05:13.18 | Jkessler | somiaj: thank you for your input |
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| 05:45.47 | eccentric | rbck: just idle down man |
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| 05:46.31 | rbck | why? |
| 05:46.34 | rbck | like ever |
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| 05:47.19 | eccentric | meh :) |
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| 05:47.47 | eccentric | easier to idle than not I guess |
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| 06:32.27 | sla3k | Hi people, this is the first time I am trying Debian, could anyone please let me know how can I check what PHP versios is there in the repo using apt-get? For example, in Red Hat, yum list package, in archlinux: pacman -Ss pkgname |
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| 06:33.35 | eccentric | sla3k: apt-cache show php5 |
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| 06:34.03 | sla3k | eccentric: Thanks, that worked. |
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| 06:36.00 | t0t4ln00bsaUrU5 | welcome to deb sla3k |
| 06:36.24 | sla3k | Thanks :) |
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| 06:40.42 | GiBa | hi! I have a rsyslogd server collecting logs, any web interface to recommend (i need to give basic access to some web devs) ? |
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| 06:44.53 | darxmurf | sla3k: you can also try apt-cache policy php5 if you have different repositories configured |
| 06:45.10 | darxmurf | it will return which version is on which repo |
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| 06:46.16 | buu | Is there any way for a debian system to detect a usb device plugged into it that is purely drawing power? |
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| 06:59.24 | jaggzt | interesting buu |
| 07:00.01 | _1_shahid2 | heyy |
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| 07:02.27 | jaggzt | in kde, when I run an app (double clicked to "run" an mp3).. it gives me a jumping VLC icon for a really long time (as if it's waiting for the vlc app to finish)... can that timeout be adjusted? |
| 07:02.39 | jaggzt | might be a dolphin thing |
| 07:03.25 | t0t4ln00bsaUrU5 | majin buu |
| 07:03.33 | GiBa | buu there is a way to see how much power is a usb port taking, but i dont remember it |
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| 07:04.03 | GiBa | but you cant detect a device that its just power without data as a device with name and everything |
| 07:04.54 | buu | =[ |
| 07:05.01 | buu | So can you shut off power to a usb port? |
| 07:06.27 | GiBa | im dont know, but if it is, it should be related to acpi, so use that as a keyword on linux |
| 07:06.31 | GiBa | on google* |
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| 07:33.36 | darxmurf | originaly, USB should not give power if there is no data exchange isn't it ? |
| 07:34.33 | dondelelcaro | it's kind of hard to have any data exchanged if there's no power |
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| 07:35.13 | buu | Optics! |
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| 07:50.02 | htqp | darxmurf: I don't think so, as there are usb-powered lamps and fans |
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| 08:07.50 | darxmurf | yep I know |
| 08:07.55 | darxmurf | but "originaly" |
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| 08:08.24 | darxmurf | in the datasheet I think it sais that the power should be off when there is no data exchange |
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| 08:11.38 | buu | I seem to recall the specs saying you had to send datapackets to get higher power rates |
| 08:11.48 | buu | Perhaps the lamps and such fake it |
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| 08:13.21 | t0t4ln00bsaUrU5 | lamps do have a tendency to fake it majin |
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| 08:21.04 | JarJarBinks | Hi. How do you know for a given package which source from sources.list provided it? I've read info from apt-cache show <pkgname> carefully, but I cannot find the info. Any hints_ |
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| 08:21.07 | JarJarBinks | ? |
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| 08:26.48 | ChrisH | JarJarBinks: apt-cache policy |
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| 08:50.09 | fipss1 | hi |
| 08:50.14 | fipss1 | I have a problem concerning bash completion / auto completion. how I can switch this of for scp, so I don't want to search the remote directories using TAB |
| 08:50.52 | JarJarBinks | ChrisH: thanks |
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| 10:04.04 | htqp | how do I list alla maunally installed packages? |
| 10:04.19 | htqp | I mean the subset of dpkg --get-selections that are flagged as "manuallu installed" |
| 10:04.48 | jelly | htqp: read /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 10:05.56 | htqp | thanks! Also found apt-mark showmanual |
| 10:05.56 | apt | htqp: bitte |
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| 10:20.47 | ChrisH | I have 2 Icons on my KDE Desktop which I cannot remove. Nor can I move them, the "slide-out" does not appear. I did not find them in my home in ~/Desktop where is that KDE Stuff stored? Or how to remove these Icons? |
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| 10:21.33 | [exa] | Hi everyone. What is the most correct way to supply kernel boot parameters to debian system? e.g. acpi=off apm=off. I guess it will be in some grub config, but not sure which one. |
| 10:23.04 | SynrGy | [exa]: edit /etc/default/grub, run update-grub |
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| 10:24.42 | [exa] | SynrGy: ok, thanks a lot! |
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| 11:12.06 | zpman | So I ran a php thingy from my public_html directory, which made apache generate some cache files in a writable directory in there. Now I can't figure out how to delete that directory, as there are files below there owned by www-data which I can't touch. What do I do? |
| 11:12.30 | zpman | I mean, I could change to root and fix it, but what do I do as a regular user? |
| 11:12.49 | buu | zpman: Run a php script to delete them =] |
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| 11:15.34 | zpman | It seems kind of strange to me, that as a user, I can seemingly create a directory, allow everyone to write to it, then once they do I'm free to move that directory, change the permissions so they can't access it, or rename it so they can't even find it again, but I can't delete the contents? I can however perfectly well rename it to .trash to hide it and chmod it as 700. Did I miss anything? |
| 11:15.54 | buu | If you can chmod it you can delete it.. |
| 11:16.08 | buu | Oh, you mean the directory? |
| 11:16.09 | SynrGy | sgid the directory? |
| 11:16.17 | buu | Yes, well, it is weird. |
| 11:16.20 | SynrGy | doesn't help now, but helps with prevention |
| 11:16.43 | buu | If you were actually running a multiuser system you would configure apache to execute php as the individual users. |
| 11:17.25 | zpman | SynrGy: sgid doesn't force the directories to be created group writable, does it? |
| 11:17.39 | zpman | buu: oh. didn't think of that. |
| 11:18.45 | zpman | buu: but then if apache runs php as the user, the user has no way of limiting what apache can access if there's a security issue... |
| 11:19.06 | buu | Well, this is why you avoid php |
| 11:19.08 | buu | =] |
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| 11:19.55 | SynrGy | mkdir test && chmod 2777 test && sudo -u www-data touch test/test && ls -l test/test && rm -f test/test |
| 11:20.06 | SynrGy | seems to work |
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| 11:20.22 | SynrGy | pardon, ls -la |
| 11:21.08 | internat | gday.. im looking through a backup of a old debian box, trying to identify what packages were on it.. does apt/dpkg maintain a flat file or the likes that can be restored to view what packages were installed? |
| 11:21.21 | zpman | SynrGy: you need to have www-data create a subdirectory and then put test in that |
| 11:21.29 | zpman | SynrGy: that's when the problems show up :) |
| 11:21.54 | SynrGy | zpman: but if the directory www-data creates a directory in is already g+s, it will inherit, yes? |
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| 11:22.13 | zpman | SynrGy: yes, but it will not necessarily be group writable |
| 11:22.19 | zpman | SynrGy: so the group still can't delete it |
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| 11:22.31 | zpman | SynrGy: it can move it to oblivion and back though, but it can't be deleted |
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| 11:23.16 | SynrGy | huh. ok |
| 11:23.50 | SynrGy | and no, it doesn't inherit. crap |
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| 11:25.58 | zpman | SynrGy: crap indeed :) |
| 11:26.10 | zpman | zpman: guess it's just something I must keep in mind |
| 11:27.30 | SynrGy | so it comes down to "how do i make new files/directories inherit group writable?" |
| 11:27.45 | SynrGy | other than changing umask, i don't know how |
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| 11:28.15 | SynrGy | (possibly ACLs?) |
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| 11:28.59 | SynrGy | http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/12847 |
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| 11:29.12 | SynrGy | zpman: ^^ |
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| 11:43.45 | zpman | SynrGy: thanks. looks like acl's are indeed the correct solution for this, as much as I hate their lacking integration with everything |
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| 12:16.05 | c-- | Will Debian Jessie upgrade to kernel 3.19 anytime soon (I think it's currently at 3.16)? |
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| 12:16.45 | SynrGy | no |
| 12:16.50 | SynrGy | not ever |
| 12:16.59 | SynrGy | c--: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 12:17.40 | SynrGy | once the kernel is frozen for a release, important bug fixes and new hardware support tend to get backported into that version |
| 12:18.11 | SynrGy | in the cases where that's not possible, newer kernels tend to get put into stable-backports |
| 12:18.27 | SynrGy | i.e. jessie-backports in this case |
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| 12:18.39 | SynrGy | (though it's not released yet, so that's not going to happen yet) |
| 12:18.47 | c-- | SynrGy: Ok thanks. I'm not having a problem with a running system, I'm rather thinking about whether to install Debian or some other distro on a new system and I want up-to-date kernel versions. specifically, I'm interested in btrfs, of which important updates have been merged into 3.19 so that's why i asked about 3.19. |
| 12:19.13 | SynrGy | just see if those patches are being backported into 3.16 in debian, then |
| 12:19.21 | kodapa | Then go for Arch Linux and have your system explode each week |
| 12:19.30 | SynrGy | kodapa: not helpful :p |
| 12:19.30 | kodapa | :P |
| 12:19.40 | kodapa | Sorry :( |
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| 12:19.56 | c-- | kodapa: i actually thought about arch, but i'm somewhat concerned about updates that might break something |
| 12:20.07 | SynrGy | c--: you can check the kernel changelog and you can check bugs with patches against the kernel relating to btrfs |
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| 12:20.22 | SynrGy | (debian kernel changelog i mean) |
| 12:20.32 | SynrGy | this will give you an indication of progress on issues you're concerned about |
| 12:20.35 | c-- | only reason for arch would be up-to-date kernel versions without the hassle of upgrading every year |
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| 12:21.03 | SynrGy | also, if you like living on the bleeding edge, you can stay on testing even after jessie goes stable |
| 12:21.12 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 12:21.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 12:21.22 | SynrGy | 3.19 is in experimental ... |
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| 12:21.30 | SynrGy | so it should be testable on jessie right now. |
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| 12:21.51 | SynrGy | (with the usual caveats applied to experimental, being less-tested, etc.) |
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| 12:22.13 | c-- | so i'd have to install debian experimental to get kernel 3.19 ... along with all other packages in the latest versions |
| 12:22.23 | SynrGy | you don't "install debian experimental" |
| 12:22.25 | SynrGy | it is not a whole archive |
| 12:22.44 | kodapa | c--: install testing then install kernel from experimental =) |
| 12:22.46 | SynrGy | i would start with: |
| 12:22.48 | c-- | well then again i wouldn't install that many packages really, mostly system basics, so maybe experimental would be ok |
| 12:22.51 | SynrGy | !tum |
| 12:22.51 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
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| 12:23.07 | SynrGy | this ensures that deps in unstable that experimental packages might have are satisfiable |
| 12:23.12 | SynrGy | !experimental |
| 12:23.12 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 12:23.35 | SynrGy | you add experimental to your sources.list and be very selective about which packages you install from it |
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| 12:23.38 | c-- | oh i see, i haven used 'experimental' so far, i'll have to try this |
| 12:23.57 | SynrGy | with kernels, it tends to be ok (though you may not have full support for -dkms modules) |
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| 12:24.22 | MoonGNatRouth | please explain me why iceweasel doesn't want use proxy, which I defined with "export http_proxy='192.168.100.2:3128'". wget & apt-get use it, but not iceweasel. If in iceweasel set proxy manually - it's ok. She use it. But when used "Use system proxy settings" - she ignores it. Why?? |
| 12:24.28 | c-- | i can't think of any special dkms modules i'd need |
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| 12:25.15 | c-- | so i would specifically configure my sources.list to get the latest experimental kernel and everything else stays non-experimental, sounds good |
| 12:25.32 | SynrGy | no configuration of sources.list or apt policy is needed |
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| 12:25.40 | SynrGy | pinning is *automatically* set to not upgrade to experimental |
| 12:26.22 | SynrGy | iirc, it's automatically pinned at 1 |
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| 12:27.05 | SynrGy | er, i mean yes, you need to configure sources.list to *add* experimental, but no configuration is needed with respect to specific packages you want. |
| 12:28.06 | c-- | ok i'd find out how to add the experimental repo to my sources list and then i guess all i have to do is something like apt-get install -t unstable linux-image |
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| 12:28.33 | themill | MoonGNatRouth: I don't believe that iceweasel/firefox pays any attention to http_proxy environment settings |
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| 12:29.04 | MoonGNatRouth | themill: but how can I set system proxy? |
| 12:29.23 | themill | When iceweasel says "system" it normally means "gnome" |
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| 12:30.13 | MoonGNatRouth | themill: Is only firefox so strange? |
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| 12:30.34 | themill | I'm sure there are other things that don't respect http_proxy too |
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| 12:31.27 | MoonGNatRouth | themill: so, how can i set proxy for everything? is it possible? |
| 12:31.59 | themill | Presumably not, given what we've just said. |
| 12:32.11 | c-- | MoonGNatRouth: i *think* (not sure really) it is possible to make firefox use the proxy some times like "http_proxy=http://myproxy:3128 iceweasel" i think i've seen this work at some point in the past. but in a gui environment, there are system settings for proxy configuration |
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| 12:32.49 | c-- | MoonGNatRouth: but for firefox, the addon foxyproxy might be better anyway |
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| 12:33.56 | SynrGy | c--: well, -t experimental but a) i don't think they package the metapackage and b) since the package name for the specific version of the kernel you want is unique to experimental, the target isn't needed, i don't think |
| 12:34.28 | SynrGy | c--: i.e. just apt-get install linux-image-3.19.0-trunk-amd64 |
| 12:34.49 | SynrGy | (and the metapackage name, jftr, is linux-image-amd64) |
| 12:35.03 | SynrGy | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:35.04 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; sid: 3.16+63; jessie: 3.16+63 |
| 12:35.08 | MoonGNatRouth | c--: thx. I'll try to find something |
| 12:35.17 | SynrGy | ,v linux-image-3.19.0-trunk-amd64 |
| 12:35.18 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.19.0-trunk-amd64 on i386 -- experimental: 3.19-1~exp1 |
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| 12:36.26 | sh00p | I have encountered something that is grinding my gears... I have two different computers (both have 2 NICs). I boot them with empty 70-persistent-net-rules files but it seems as though MAC address is not the reason for their ordering into ethXYZ names |
| 12:36.35 | c-- | SynrGy: ok i'll try that. thank you so much |
| 12:36.37 | sh00p | check this paste: |
| 12:36.46 | sh00p | http://fpaste.org/191319/42504051/ |
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| 12:37.12 | sh00p | one system puts the larger mac at eth0 and the other the lower mac |
| 12:37.22 | sh00p | how can I configure udev to do this consistently for all systems? |
| 12:37.54 | themill | the ordering is not supposed to be consistent, then naming is supposed to be reproducible |
| 12:38.24 | SynrGy | the whole point of the persistent rules is to nail them down. if the order in which they are automatically put there doesn't suit you, then manually edit the file |
| 12:38.49 | SynrGy | then the next time the system boots, they will be in whatever order *you* specified |
| 12:39.00 | mortal | what are the debian compilation flags |
| 12:39.03 | mortal | for the packages |
| 12:39.26 | SynrGy | mortal: that is determined by whatever is in debian/rules for the package |
| 12:39.40 | SynrGy | do you have a specific package in mind? |
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| 12:40.14 | ws2k3 | hello i installed php5-cli where can i find the php executable? |
| 12:40.17 | mortal | well I was thinking |
| 12:40.29 | mortal | on armv7 linpack is 5% faster with -O than -O2 |
| 12:40.32 | themill | ws2k3: dpkg -L. |
| 12:40.39 | SynrGy | -g -wALL -O2, commonly. |
| 12:41.05 | sh00p | SynrG, yes i understand that the point is that they should have the names that I manually specify |
| 12:41.12 | sh00p | but I dont want to have to manually specify them |
| 12:41.27 | sh00p | I'm flashing hard drives for many different motherboards |
| 12:41.39 | sh00p | I need the first nic by MAC to always be eth0 |
| 12:41.45 | SynrGy | sorry, i'm fresh out of ponies |
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| 12:42.19 | SynrGy | "they should have the names that I manually specify but I don't want to have to manually specify them" <- so you believe in magic? |
| 12:42.57 | SynrGy | feel free to rewrite the udev rule file generator to follow whatever rule you want |
| 12:42.57 | sh00p | I believe that devfs, or hotplug accomplished this |
| 12:43.05 | sh00p | on old slackware systems I do not have this issue |
| 12:43.07 | SynrGy | both obsolete. |
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| 12:43.14 | sh00p | and magical obviously |
| 12:43.18 | themill | sh00p: no, it didn't other than by accident |
| 12:43.18 | SynrGy | take it up with upstream if you hate it |
| 12:44.13 | jelly | select * from interfaces order by pci-bus-address-and-phase-of-moon |
| 12:44.14 | SynrGy | see /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 12:44.47 | sh00p | I think that'd be the file to edit yes |
| 12:44.57 | themill | editing it won't help you |
| 12:46.03 | aivonix | Hi everyone |
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| 12:46.18 | SynrGy | see also /lib/udev/write_net_rules |
| 12:46.49 | aivonix | can anyone please tell me what is missing in : https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Starting+and+Accessing+Jenkins this init script, because im getting "missing LSB tags and overrides" , even after I added the 2 LSB from the skeleton example |
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| 12:49.29 | SynrGy | and ultimately /lib/udev/rule_generator.functions providing find_next_available() to allocate new devices in sequence |
| 12:49.32 | jelly | aivonix: can you show your actual init script? |
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| 12:50.41 | SynrGy | sh00p: with some hacking of udev, you could change it to use whatever rule for "next device allocation" you felt was appropriate. however, i don't think the lowest level function i cited above has any idea about the MAC ... so it would probably be a really ugly hack |
| 12:51.14 | sh00p | SynrG, well if there is some other mechanism it uses to order, and I can get my head around that, that'd probably be fine |
| 12:51.19 | SynrGy | sh00p: if you think a strong case could be made for it, file a wishlist bug upstream |
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| 12:51.36 | SynrGy | sh00p: or just abandon the generator and rewrite the file with some scripting |
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| 12:51.42 | sh00p | [ 3.339061] eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xfc00, 00:0b:ab:88:fa:be, IRQ 11 |
| 12:51.46 | sh00p | [ 3.346248] eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xfa00, 00:0b:ab:88:fa:bd, IRQ 11 |
| 12:51.51 | _2_pracy | :O |
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| 12:52.01 | sh00p | so it seems that the lower bus address gets eth1, can i trust this to always happen? |
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| 12:52.08 | sh00p | with a blank 70-persistent-net-rules file |
| 12:52.22 | jelly | SynrGy: upstream is likely to say "use Predictable Network Interface Names" |
| 12:52.24 | SynrGy | sh00p: possibly. closely inspect how udev iterates over devices and see |
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| 12:53.03 | SynrGy | jelly: i agree it's unlikely you can bend upstream's ear |
| 12:53.36 | sh00p | well I dont need official support, I just need it to work, If I can hack it - that'd be just fine |
| 12:53.42 | aivonix | jelly: my actual init script is the same one I linked + . /lib/init/vars.sh .. and . /lib/lsb/init-functions |
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| 12:54.06 | aivonix | https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Starting+and+Accessing+Jenkins |
| 12:55.25 | jelly | aivonix: so you did not add LSB headers. |
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| 12:55.44 | aivonix | okay, I don't understand yet how to |
| 12:56.14 | jelly | aivonix: those "comments" in /etc/init.d/skeleton, starting with ### BEGIN INIT INFO and ending with ### END INIT INFO |
| 12:56.35 | aivonix | ~.~ /facepalm |
| 12:56.47 | jelly | sourcing the helper functions is not relevant |
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| 13:00.37 | aivonix | jelly: so i added those tags, do I need the Required-Start: and Required-Stop: , what are they for ? cause the default ones are $remote_fs and $syslog |
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| 13:02.31 | jelly | aivonix: you'd declare dependencies for your service if it had any, I guess |
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| 13:02.58 | jelly | aivonix: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 13:03.11 | funtriaco | anyone come accross this is issue installing Java7 or 8 ? |
| 13:03.19 | funtriaco | I'm getting "sha256sum mismatch jdk-8u31-linux-x64.tar.gz" |
| 13:03.26 | aivonix | jelly: that means if it requires another daemon to run I assume ? |
| 13:03.38 | aivonix | or daemons |
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| 13:03.49 | SynrGy | aivonix: or virutal facilities |
| 13:03.52 | SynrGy | as that page explains |
| 13:04.23 | aivonix | awesome , many thanks |
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| 13:04.38 | aivonix | I hope the rc-update.d handles the symlonks |
| 13:04.44 | aivonix | or should I just insserv ? |
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| 13:04.54 | aivonix | symlinks* |
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| 13:05.41 | SynrGy | insserv, yes |
| 13:05.54 | aivonix | right, it gave no errors . |
| 13:06.02 | aivonix | can't express my happyness level |
| 13:06.09 | aivonix | I'll remoot and see if that worked |
| 13:06.33 | aivonix | reboot* |
| 13:06.47 | SynrGy | humm. though the insserv man page says to not run it manually |
| 13:06.52 | SynrGy | just use update-rc.d it says |
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| 13:07.18 | SynrGy | with luck, rebooting now, if you've already done it ... causes no harm :) |
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| 13:59.29 | ChrisH | Some Bells ringing with: Win7 client against Debian stable samba gets permission denied for HOME if directory has no r-x for other. I am unable to reproduce using Nautilus and mount -t cifs |
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| 14:07.08 | adilix | hi all |
| 14:07.23 | adilix | anyone here with thinkpad x201? |
| 14:07.57 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 14:07.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:09.17 | adilix | ok, i am running debian latest (7.8) on a thinkpad x201 and i wanted to know if GPS is available on this laptop, because GSM works ok |
| 14:09.35 | adilix | but i can't get a GPS fix |
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| 14:12.25 | adilix | here a link to follow http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Gobi_2000 |
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| 14:12.34 | Brigo | adilix, and why do you ask it ot us? |
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| 14:13.00 | adilix | because i use debian, and i want to know if its a debian problem |
| 14:13.45 | psayian | How can I pivot root to my usb device. I am trying to do a p2v but since i have a software autoraid it just needs the raw /boot filesystem. Can someone help me with this? |
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| 14:14.10 | psayian | I am using debian 6.0.6 |
| 14:14.10 | Brigo | the hardware of your laptot is a debian problem? |
| 14:14.49 | adilix | Brigo what do you mean? in windows everything is working even GPS |
| 14:14.57 | centrx | adilix, What you mean is you've already determined that the device has GPS functionality, but it's not working on Debian |
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| 14:15.20 | adilix | yes, gpsd is starting normally |
| 14:15.22 | Brigo | adilix, you said " i wanted to know if GPS is available on this laptop," |
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| 14:17.31 | psayian | How can I pivot root to my usb device. I am trying to do a p2v but since i have a software autoraid it just needs the raw /boot filesystem. Can someone help me with this? I am using debian 6.0.6 |
| 14:17.32 | Brigo | adilix, i have never use gps in neither debian or linux, but have you checked the logs? |
| 14:17.59 | aivonix | Hey again, I'm having a start-stop-daemon issue, problem is again with this script: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Starting+and+Accessing+Jenkins basically the error I get is "--exec requries an arguement" so the problem comes from lines 7 and 10 |
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| 14:18.12 | adilix | Brigo no didn't checked the logs |
| 14:18.17 | adilix | will check now |
| 14:18.36 | Brigo | adilix, check /var/log/syslog.log /var/log/kern.log. |
| 14:18.40 | adilix | even no errors on booting, everything works perfectly |
| 14:21.25 | Brigo | adilix, you should try to find out if your gps hardware is supported by the kernel. If so i think it should be listen for lspci or lsusb |
| 14:21.59 | Brigo | adilix, or look for gpsd output. |
| 14:22.25 | fraff | aivonix: try sh -x /etc/init.d/jenkins start and see what append |
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| 14:24.00 | adilix | Brigo everything is recognized and loaded as i can see in kern.log |
| 14:24.39 | aivonix | fraff http://jpst.it/w_om that hapopened, minid you the paths in there are localized to my machine |
| 14:25.05 | aivonix | mind you* |
| 14:25.14 | Brigo | adilix, if kernel supports your gps hardware, as you just said, and gpsd has no errors, try to check the gpsd configuration. |
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| 14:26.07 | adilix | Brigo i have looked in the gpsd config, i had to add the device be self, not more |
| 14:26.19 | fraff | aivonix: so it worked ! |
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| 14:27.05 | Brigo | adilix, then ask the gspd community. |
| 14:27.20 | adilix | Brigo is there any community? |
| 14:27.31 | Brigo | adilix, i hope it. |
| 14:27.56 | Brigo | but i have never usded gpsd, so i didn't know |
| 14:28.05 | aivonix | fraff: emm ...that's supposed to run the jenkins.war as a daemon, but it doesn't seem to be the case |
| 14:28.12 | Brigo | try the link you can find with apt-cache show gpsd |
| 14:28.21 | aivonix | and when I do e.g. /etc/init.d/jenkins.sh stop |
| 14:28.27 | adilix | ok will search for it |
| 14:28.39 | aivonix | it' doesn't want kill a process, cause it says that no such process is there |
| 14:28.49 | Brigo | adilix, that is: http://www.catb.org/gpsd/ |
| 14:29.04 | adilix | Brigo thx |
| 14:29.18 | fraff | aivonix: try debugging, run start-stop-daemon by hand, add some java debug option |
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| 14:29.31 | aivonix | Stopping Jenkins CI Server: jenkinsstart-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 4593: No such process |
| 14:29.33 | aivonix | okay |
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| 14:31.06 | rgr | adilix: does the gps have a HW switch? If so turn it off, wait, turn it on then run dmesg. |
| 14:31.25 | adilix | rgr i did it |
| 14:31.51 | rgr | you can also update your pci/usb database with "sudo update-pciids" and "sudo update-usbids" |
| 14:32.18 | adilix | curently my device is up and running, only my wifi is down, can someone tell me how prevent it to disable my wifi card on boot |
| 14:32.25 | aivonix | fraff: I didn't understand the purpose of --, seems that:: |
| 14:32.26 | aivonix | Unrecognized option: -- |
| 14:32.26 | aivonix | Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine. |
| 14:32.26 | aivonix | Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit. |
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| 14:32.34 | rgr | Also ignore Brigo by the looks of it. It was quite clear what you meant and his eagerness to make you go elsewhere for what is clearly a debian issue is quite horrifying. |
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| 14:32.45 | aivonix | and sorry for spamming |
| 14:32.45 | adilix | i mean to not disabling my wifi at boot |
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| 14:33.02 | adilix | should i write a blacklist.conf in modprobe |
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| 14:35.00 | aivonix | http://paste.debian.net/plain/158171 |
| 14:35.00 | adilix | when i try this "ip link set wlan0 up" i get this "rtnetlink answers operation not possible due to rf-kill" what can i do, i dont remember how to solve this |
| 14:35.21 | Brigo | rgr, i cannot see your point. adilix said his hardware was working ok and gpd too, then the problem shoul be the gpsd configuration. |
| 14:35.28 | SynrGy | rgr: reading the backlog, it was initially not quite clear. once it was determined the hardware supports it, Brigo was helpful to the best of his ability, and only referred back to upstream when he had exhausted his meagre knowledge. |
| 14:35.35 | SynrGy | "horrifying" it was not |
| 14:35.53 | adilix | but i said it is working only on windows 7 |
| 14:36.22 | Brigo | and i told him i had never used gpsd, so i cannot help far more |
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| 14:36.46 | adilix | in linux works only the gsm part, what means i can use it as 3g modem and i can connect to the nternet with wvdial |
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| 14:37.10 | aivonix | I dont understand what the purpose of "--" is, http://paste.debian.net/plain/158171 this is the error, from this script: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Starting+and+Accessing+Jenkins |
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| 14:37.57 | jelly | adilix: are you saying you can't talk to /dev/ttyUSB2 with eg. minicom, and manually issue NMEA commands to test stuff? |
| 14:38.31 | adilix | i can talk to ttyUSB2 but i dont get anything out |
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| 14:38.44 | jelly | fsvo talk :-) |
| 14:38.49 | adilix | jelly look at this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Gobi_2000 |
| 14:39.24 | adilix | jelly when i make gpscat /dev/ttyUSB2 i get nothing out |
| 14:39.34 | adilix | or gpsctl the same nothing |
| 14:39.48 | SynrGy | aivonix: generally -- is used in contexts where a set of options is passed to a program or script which itself wraps another program or script that takes its own options. '--' says, you've hit the end of the options for the first script, and what follows are the options for the second. |
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| 14:40.41 | aivonix | Right |
| 14:40.42 | aivonix | and |
| 14:40.48 | aivonix | how do I solve my issue ? |
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| 14:41.44 | aivonix | I understand that the script should be running |
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| 14:41.48 | aivonix | if that were the case |
| 14:41.57 | SynrGy | aivonix: it looks like the script writer assumed /usr/bin/java is a shell wrapper for java which takes some options before the -- and the ones after are passed to java itself or something ... |
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| 14:42.23 | SynrGy | that's clearly not the case in debian, so i don't know on what systems you might expect java to behave this way :p |
| 14:42.32 | SynrGy | i.e. i think this script is non-portable |
| 14:42.39 | aivonix | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --background --make-pidfile --pidfile /var/run/jenkins.pid --chuid jenkins --exec /usr/bin/java -- -jar /home/jenkins/jenkins.war |
| 14:42.51 | aivonix | that's the line , are you suggesting just remove the -- ? |
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| 14:43.11 | SynrGy | yes. old: |
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| 14:43.14 | SynrGy | COMMAND=/usr/bin/java -- -jar /home/jenkins/jenkins.war |
| 14:43.20 | SynrGy | new: COMMAND=/usr/bin/java -jar /home/jenkins/jenkins.war |
| 14:43.29 | SynrGy | should do it, i think |
| 14:43.49 | aivonix | sorry to ask in such a grueling manner |
| 14:43.52 | napnap | Hi all. I try to share my eth connection via wireless. I tried to do this http://askubuntu.com/questions/60980/how-to-share-a-wired-internet-connection-via-wifi ( I know it's ubuntu but both are network-manager) But the wifi connection doesn't show up. http://pastebin.com/CizHTkd7 |
| 14:44.00 | aivonix | I've just been working on this all day today |
| 14:44.08 | jelly | adilix: weird. a 1 minute google search turns up http://olausson.de/linux-howto/91-qualcom-gobi-2000-umtsgps-3g-modem-with-gentoo-thinkpad-w510 which suggests weird, specific firmware loaders and stuff |
| 14:44.14 | SynrGy | aivonix: huh, it says "The following script is for Ubuntu based systems." which surprises me. |
| 14:44.31 | SynrGy | aivonix: maybe it's not a matter of it not being portable, but simply a matter of it not being tested :p |
| 14:44.36 | aivonix | SynrGy: it does say that. |
| 14:44.41 | napnap | Like if my wifi search for an available connection ... |
| 14:44.53 | aivonix | SynrGy: yeah /facepalm time x2 |
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| 14:45.04 | SynrGy | aivonix: while it's not in the realm of the impossible that ubuntu supports -- whereas debian doesn't, i think it highly unlikely |
| 14:45.26 | SynrGy | aivonix: you might ask the page author "does this really work? it doesn't seem to on debian." |
| 14:45.54 | aivonix | I might actually do the effort and do it |
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| 14:46.58 | SynrGy | aivonix: it might be some latent bug that didn't cause problems in an earlier java version but does now. |
| 14:47.08 | SynrGy | shrugs |
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| 14:49.56 | SynrGy | napnap: on debian wheezy? |
| 14:50.24 | napnap | SynrG, jessie |
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| 14:51.42 | SynrGy | napnap: does wifi otherwise work? i.e. you can establish a network connection with it instead of ethernet? |
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| 14:52.16 | napnap | SynrG, yeah, my wifi work otherwise. |
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| 14:52.52 | SynrGy | napnap: is the paste the output from your client system that can't find the wireless network you created? or are you showing something from the system you want to share the wireless from? |
| 14:53.33 | napnap | SynrG, But I'm too far for use my wifi box, but I have the wire. I want to set up a wifi hotspot with my pc to extend wifi (by a new network) |
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| 14:53.49 | Brigo | no all wifi drivers support master mode. |
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| 14:54.07 | napnap | SynrG, it is the output of the system which I need to create the wireless hotspot |
| 14:54.31 | SynrGy | Brigo: "master mode"? the instructions cited are for Ad-Hoc |
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| 14:55.43 | SynrGy | oh, the *second* instructions are |
| 14:55.52 | SynrGy | napnap: which are you trying to do? master mode or ad-hoc? |
| 14:56.01 | SynrGy | napnap: as Brigo said, not all cards support master |
| 14:56.10 | SynrGy | guess i fail at skimming :p |
| 14:56.14 | Brigo | ah, then the client should be aware, master mode is the usual. |
| 14:56.55 | napnap | SynrG, Yep...in fact both are ok for me, I just want to share eth via wifi. But here I tried with adhoc. |
| 14:57.18 | SynrGy | yes, the client needs to explicitly try adhoc, too |
| 14:57.36 | SynrGy | but the output in the paste shows the device isn't ready ... |
| 14:57.44 | napnap | iwconfig show for wlan0:Mode:Ad-Hoc |
| 14:58.07 | SynrGy | i don't know if that just means the other endpoint has not been set up yet, or if there's a problem with the configuration. |
| 14:58.19 | SynrGy | napnap: what configuration did you do with the client? |
| 14:58.29 | SynrGy | it will default to looking for managed networks, and this isn't one of those. |
| 14:59.27 | napnap | SynrG, I haven't tried the client . On the host, I try to turn on the new wifi had hoc connection, he search few seconds and goes down... |
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| 15:00.00 | SynrGy | napnap: might be a time limit on how long it waits to establish the ad-hoc connection and then quits by design |
| 15:00.02 | Brigo | gtg, bye :) |
| 15:00.15 | SynrGy | napnap: it has been many years since i did ad-hoc. i don't remember |
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| 15:00.20 | napnap | SynrG, Ok I will try...(but it goes down in 3 sec :p ) |
| 15:00.31 | SynrGy | also there are caveats in the comments ... |
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| 15:00.59 | aivonix | SynrGy: okay so that didn't solve theproblem, removing the "--" |
| 15:01.15 | SynrGy | aivonix: new error messages? |
| 15:01.28 | jelly | adilix: that's hardware from 2005, it's possible the driver has already started bitrotting because noone's using/testing the gps parts |
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| 15:01.46 | aivonix | http://paste.debian.net/plain/158184 |
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| 15:03.31 | SynrGy | aivonix: wtf? do you have a standard java installed, from debian? |
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| 15:04.03 | SynrGy | aivonix: i'm beginning to think this is just you :) |
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| 15:04.27 | aivonix | heh not excluded from the problem |
| 15:05.07 | napnap | ok my cllient doesn't support had oc.. So I will try master mode |
| 15:05.08 | aivonix | right |
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| 15:05.40 | aivonix | SynrGy: lets get this java badboy installed, this is a turnkey installation and I'm 100% sure that when I did java -v last time it showed me output |
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| 15:05.50 | adilix | i have mad this people http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/newbie/199340-wlan0-up-operation-not-possible-due-rf-kill.html |
| 15:06.16 | aivonix | SynrGy: but that might have been on another vm |
| 15:06.23 | adilix | but do i have to run "ip link set wlan0 up" everytime i reboot ? |
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| 15:07.05 | adilix | to enable my wlan0, and why wicd says "No wireless networks found" |
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| 15:15.45 | napnap | ok my wireless card doesn't support AP :-\ |
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| 16:13.11 | twisted_spirit | NoImNotNineVolt: but asking is so simple... |
| 16:13.20 | ctmjr | so is reading |
| 16:13.20 | littlebit_ | the problem is that It doesn't tell me how the config of eth0 looks like... |
| 16:13.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | i was merely answering your question :P |
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| 16:13.56 | twisted_spirit | does jessie with a manual installed sysvinit work well? |
| 16:14.08 | jelly | twisted_spirit: yes |
| 16:14.10 | gpuk | hi chan. I've just upgraded a linode vm to jessie and monit is complaining it can no longer read the filesystem state of the virtual disk (/dev/xvda). Any ideas how I can fix this? |
| 16:14.10 | twisted_spirit | or do i have to fix a lot of daemon things by hand? |
| 16:14.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | i believe it does, though i haven't tried it. |
| 16:14.15 | adilix | i solved the wlan0 problem it now enables at booting but wicd shows me " No wireless networks found " |
| 16:14.20 | adilix | any solution for that |
| 16:14.22 | centrx | twisted_spirit, sysvinit package works fine |
| 16:14.30 | centrx | still cruising |
| 16:14.44 | twisted_spirit | do we have a debian-complaints channel here? |
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| 16:15.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | ha. |
| 16:15.04 | jelly | twisted_spirit: is this a server or a workstation installation? |
| 16:15.09 | twisted_spirit | i'd like to sue the one who made this descision |
| 16:15.12 | twisted_spirit | server |
| 16:15.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | twisted_spirit: if it makes you feel any better, you're only the billionth person to complain about systemd in here. |
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| 16:15.18 | twisted_spirit | my main firewall cluster!! |
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| 16:15.45 | twisted_spirit | my weekend has a sad start |
| 16:15.50 | tremon | btw, the release notes (https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#systemd) still do NOT explicitly state that systemd will be installed on upgrades |
| 16:15.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | please forgive the exhausted responses you're bound to get. |
| 16:16.04 | twisted_spirit | why? |
| 16:16.09 | jelly | twisted_spirit: do upgrades in a test environment first before deploying to main, presumably production environment. |
| 16:16.25 | twisted_spirit | that is for people who have time for things like that |
| 16:16.28 | twisted_spirit | i'm a busy man |
| 16:16.30 | ctmjr | adilix: does iwlist scan find anything and when you installed wicd did you remove network-nmanager? |
| 16:16.36 | jelly | twisted_spirit: and remember testing is not ready yet. |
| 16:16.50 | twisted_spirit | it practically is |
| 16:17.04 | twisted_spirit | i really need to punch someone now |
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| 16:17.11 | jelly | twisted_spirit: if you don't have time to read docs OR test stuff, you deserve breakage |
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| 16:17.19 | tremon | ah. correction, it does, in section 4.5.7 |
| 16:17.27 | twisted_spirit | jelly: that's not a nice thing to say |
| 16:17.30 | twisted_spirit | to a busy man |
| 16:17.37 | adilix | i got it too with wicd |
| 16:17.44 | twisted_spirit | i work hard for my business |
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| 16:18.12 | twisted_spirit | i thought the debian community was reliable and made sane choices |
| 16:18.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | you decided to shoulder additional risk (by not testing properly) in order to gain some other benefits (more time to do other things). |
| 16:18.19 | centrx | Yeah if it's going to auto-upgrade to systemd it should work well |
| 16:18.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | when making such a decision, you should be conscious of the consequences. |
| 16:18.36 | twisted_spirit | well now i am |
| 16:18.47 | centrx | twisted_spirit, what is broken with systemd on your machine? |
| 16:18.48 | jelly | twisted_spirit: do you have a tech support question? Please skip the rants. |
| 16:18.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's unfortunate, and i hope you can find a satisfactory solution without too much trouble. |
| 16:19.03 | twisted_spirit | it installed systemd |
| 16:19.11 | twisted_spirit | that's whats wrong |
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| 16:19.16 | twisted_spirit | and now i'm scared |
| 16:19.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | so it's a philosophical problem? |
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| 16:19.30 | centrx | he's scared, it's an emotional problem |
| 16:19.33 | twisted_spirit | my guts tell me it is wrong in each possible way |
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| 16:20.31 | jelly | twisted_spirit: no tech question, no talk, sorry. Rants about systemd are not a constructive addition to a tech support channel. |
| 16:20.54 | adilix | people you have to know i didnt touched for 2 years now any linux and before i was i archlinux user for about 12 years or so :) so sorry when i ask something idiotic |
| 16:21.21 | adilix | the only problem left for now is my gosd |
| 16:21.25 | adilix | gpsd |
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| 16:22.16 | jelly | adilix: questions of all sorts of level, including "idiotic" are welcome, don't worry |
| 16:22.29 | adilix | jelly yeaa thx |
| 16:22.43 | adilix | i have mostly everything forgot about linux |
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| 16:23.43 | Vladimirski | is there a group in debian like wheel? |
| 16:24.00 | Vladimirski | or how do I make a user have administrative rights? |
| 16:24.07 | centrx | Vladimirski, sudo is the modern way |
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| 16:24.31 | adilix | Vladimirski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term) |
| 16:24.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | sodoers vs wheel |
| 16:24.55 | adilix | Vladimirski http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1262/where-did-the-wheel-group-get-its-name |
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| 16:25.05 | jelly | dpkg, tell twisted_spirit about init system ranting |
| 16:25.05 | Vladimirski | centrx: well when I use sudo I get "user is not in sudoers file" |
| 16:25.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | Vladimirski: man 5 sudoers |
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| 16:25.57 | jelly | Vladimirski: if you add that use to the "sudo" group, they will be able to use sudo after they log in again |
| 16:26.29 | Vladimirski | oh ok |
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| 16:26.54 | Vladimirski | jelly: you mean like gpasswd -a user sudo ? |
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| 16:27.23 | jelly | Vladimirski: sounds about right |
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| 16:27.59 | Vladimirski | cool |
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| 16:28.41 | Vladimirski | didn't know it was that easy |
| 16:29.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | me neither. |
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| 16:33.35 | Vladimirski | NoImNotNineVolt: that's great |
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| 16:34.43 | jelly | I usually use the debian-specific "adduser user groupname" |
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| 16:37.04 | esu | i have debian testing |
| 16:37.17 | esu | if i edit sources.list |
| 16:37.33 | esu | ad change testing with unstable |
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| 16:37.49 | esu | after the upgrade will i have a debiansid? |
| 16:38.02 | zeeble | Yes. |
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| 16:38.09 | greycat | after a dist-upgrade, not a regular upgrade |
| 16:38.13 | Tenkawa | hi al |
| 16:38.14 | zeeble | dist-upgrade |
| 16:38.15 | Tenkawa | l |
| 16:38.29 | centrx | !testing->unstable |
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| 16:39.11 | centrx | dpkg: testing->unstable |
| 16:39.11 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 16:39.13 | esu | zeeble, thanks |
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| 16:39.41 | Tenkawa | probes xhci and sdio drivers today |
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| 16:40.10 | Tenkawa | these will behave someday |
| 16:41.18 | SynrGy | esu: maybe we should've asked "why do you want to do this?" |
| 16:41.22 | SynrGy | esu: also consider: |
| 16:41.23 | SynrGy | !tum |
| 16:41.23 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 16:41.42 | SynrGy | also: |
| 16:41.43 | SynrGy | !sns |
| 16:41.43 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:42.12 | SynrGy | (and s/upgrading to <testing>/upgrading to <unstable>/ ... the logic still applies :) |
| 16:42.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | backports can be a nightmare though. |
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| 16:42.56 | SynrGy | esu: if you find testing is behind on some things you need, you could use a testing/unstable mix as per the factoid above to pull in just the things you need from unstable. |
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| 16:43.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | i remember trying to get a new kernel from backports (maybe to run docker?) and then next thing i know i have a bpo3 kernel and bpo4 headers... |
| 16:43.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | then again, i have absolutely no idea what i'm doing and i'd imagine others would have better luck than i :P |
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| 16:44.22 | SynrGy | i'm sure there are numerous ways to shoot yourself in the foot with debian, backports or not ;) without the details of the case, it's hard to know what went wrong there. |
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| 16:45.04 | SynrGy | anyway, since su was talking about testing -> unstable upgrade, backports is not a part of the problem. |
| 16:45.10 | SynrGy | esu* was |
| 16:45.43 | esu | ok |
| 16:45.52 | esu | SynrG, thanks |
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| 16:46.05 | SynrGy | esu: is it just a handful of packages you need? if so, the testing/unstable mix is a better solution |
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| 16:46.14 | SynrGy | it buffers you against the churn of unstable |
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| 16:48.44 | Tenkawa | brb |
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| 16:53.44 | gpuk | comparing the permissions on /dev/xvda between a wheezy machine and a jessie machine, I see on wheezy they are: brw-rw---T and on jessie: brw-rw---- Could this be why monit can no longer read the filesystem state after I did a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 16:57.01 | jelly | gpuk: that sticky bit shouldn't really matter for read permissions |
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| 16:58.09 | gpuk | jelly: hmm ok. Wondering what else could cause monit to suddenly be unable to check the filesystem after upgrading to jessie? |
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| 16:58.49 | greycat | What error do you get? If it doesn't say the exact words "Permission denied", then it has nothing to do with file modes. |
| 16:58.53 | userg | hi |
| 16:59.50 | gpuk | greycat: monit is set to check the rootfs every hour and since upgrading I now get an email from monit on the hour with subject "monit alert -- Data access error rootfs" and the body description: "unable to read filesystem '/dev/xvda' state" |
| 17:00.20 | greycat | but it doesn't say why? that'll be hard to debug.... |
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| 17:00.49 | userg | can someone help me to config a nvidia graphical driver? |
| 17:01.22 | jelly | greycat: what does it do precisely? |
| 17:01.25 | gpuk | lol yeah, that's why I'm here :) |
| 17:01.30 | jelly | erm. |
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| 17:01.42 | jelly | gpuk: what does monit do precisely, for that check? |
| 17:01.45 | gpuk | greycat: here's the rootfs script: http://paste.debian.net/158237/ |
| 17:01.49 | gpuk | dead simple |
| 17:02.25 | aivonix | I got a question, I have been trying to install a daemon and I did with a file in /etc/init.d/ and update-rc.d , but my question is how do I remove it ? |
| 17:02.27 | aivonix | completely |
| 17:02.28 | jelly | gpuk: is /dev/xvda visible in "mount" output? |
| 17:02.29 | gpuk | jelly: here is the 'rootfs' script causing the issue: http://paste.debian.net/158237/ |
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| 17:02.45 | jelly | gpuk: also is "rootfs" visible? |
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| 17:02.49 | gpuk | jelly: yep: /dev/xvda on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) |
| 17:03.05 | gpuk | jelly: rootfs is just the name of the monit script |
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| 17:03.14 | jelly | gpuk: I don't see mention of "rootfs" in that line |
| 17:03.30 | ctmjr | userg: install nvidia-settings and/or nvidia-xconfig |
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| 17:04.50 | teraflop | aivonix: been trying to install means that it is not currently installed? |
| 17:05.48 | aivonix | teraflop: I used a script that I places in /etc/init.d/ and update-rc.d , and it is installed in that sense, the symlinks are created, I just want to remove it and I'm not aware of what I should do here |
| 17:05.51 | gpuk | jelly: rootfs is just what the script is called under /etc/monit/conf.d/ |
| 17:06.11 | userg | ctmjr: i tried with this https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:06.24 | teraflop | aivonix: heh update-rc.d is not a location |
| 17:06.33 | gpuk | jelly: the subject line of the alert email from monit just mentions rootfs because that's what the script is called |
| 17:06.37 | ctmjr | userg: and? |
| 17:06.55 | SynrGy | aivonix: update-rc.d nameofscript remove |
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| 17:07.02 | aivonix | teraflop: yeah I know, I used update-rc.d script_name defaults |
| 17:07.06 | deepblue | i run mostly 4 programs at the same time:firefox,okular,transmission and konversation.how much RAM is adequate for this purpose? |
| 17:07.20 | userg | ctmjr: i reboot the system and dont work the ui |
| 17:07.32 | gpuk | greycat: is there any risk if I just add the T permission back to /dev/xvda to see if that makes monit happy again? |
| 17:07.33 | SynrGy | aivonix: this is in the man page. was the man page confusing? |
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| 17:07.58 | greycat | I know nothing about monit, but the bogus sticky bit (T not t) should have no effect, so it should be harmless to try it. |
| 17:08.04 | aivonix | SynrGy I've read a few pages today, I just didn't get to that |
| 17:08.33 | SynrGy | aivonix: ah ... should train yourself to make that your first impulse :) |
| 17:09.15 | teraflop | xD |
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| 17:09.35 | aivonix | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 17:09.35 | aivonix | insserv: script jenkins: service jenkins already provided! |
| 17:10.10 | gpuk | greycat & jelly: ok I feel rather stupid now... I forgot to check monit's log! Having now just done so, I see the issue is "Device /dev/xvda not found in /etc/mtab" |
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| 17:10.28 | SynrGy | aivonix: you included the keyword 'remove' as i said above? what was the exact command you typed? |
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| 17:10.37 | gpuk | sure enough, in /etc/mtab it's shown as /dev/root |
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| 17:10.58 | ctmjr | userg: did you create a xorg.conf it is one of the last steps on the wiki |
| 17:10.58 | aivonix | SynrGy: update-rc.d jenkins.sh remove |
| 17:11.08 | gpuk | interestingly, on wheezy it's the same thing but monit doesn't seem to mind. Maybe monit on jessie has become stricter or something |
| 17:11.48 | zeeble | update-rc.d -f jenkins remove |
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| 17:12.03 | userg | ctmjr: yes, i delete it and the ui works |
| 17:12.35 | zeeble | Or install something like rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
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| 17:13.59 | SynrGy | aivonix: i think what you've hit is some *other* script provides jenkins and insserv gets confused |
| 17:14.22 | SynrGy | aivonix: looks like maybe this is the last of a series of steps, perhaps bumbling about a bit ... |
| 17:14.47 | SynrGy | aivonix: multiple init scripts may not provide 'jenkins', which is specifically what insserv hates |
| 17:15.06 | SynrGy | aivonix: you can examine the headers of your init scripts and see |
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| 17:16.05 | aivonix | exactly |
| 17:16.21 | SynrGy | aivonix: so did it remove the symlinks at least? |
| 17:16.24 | aivonix | I found a solution that involves less pain |
| 17:16.28 | aivonix | not tested yet |
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| 17:16.53 | jelly | aivonix: also, if you decide to keep using it, remove ".sh" from your init script's name |
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| 17:19.00 | ctmjr | userg: you more than likely installed the wrong driver for your card you can install nvidia-detect and see what driver it tells you to install |
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| 17:20.20 | aivonix | http://paste.debian.net/158246/ |
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| 17:20.24 | aivonix | how do I deal with that |
| 17:20.30 | aivonix | opppps |
| 17:20.50 | aivonix | http://paste.debian.net/158247/ |
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| 17:22.40 | SynrGy | is the filename literally 'jenkins.' (with a period at the end?) |
| 17:22.40 | socomm | http://www.krenger.ch/blog/insserv-script-vzreboot-service-vzreboot-already-provided/ |
| 17:22.53 | aivonix | no, that was a mistaken line |
| 17:23.06 | aivonix | the other 2 are correct though |
| 17:23.16 | SynrGy | i suspect, as i said, the error itself has nothing to do with the removal you're performing |
| 17:23.29 | SynrGy | it's because you have multiple init scripts providing the service 'jenkins' |
| 17:23.34 | socomm | aivonix: Is there another jenkins service defined in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 17:23.44 | SynrGy | insserv is very unhappy about this because it needs them to be unique in order to tell what depends on what |
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| 17:24.07 | socomm | Isn't jenkins one of those devops things? |
| 17:24.09 | SynrGy | hence, check your /etc/init.d/ init scripts LSB headers and see if anything else provides jenkins |
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| 17:24.37 | zach23 | I want to investigate why and where the memory on the box is being taken up on. load is over 33 and through htop, I see apache2 is consuming a lot but is there a way to know what specifically? |
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| 17:25.09 | teraflop | aivonix: mind pasting the jenkins script? |
| 17:25.39 | SynrGy | "the"? according to inserrv there's more than one |
| 17:25.44 | SynrGy | insserv* |
| 17:25.49 | teraflop | also I see https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 17:26.11 | aivonix | maybe it's because |
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| 17:26.17 | aivonix | I have 2 jenkins named scripts now |
| 17:26.33 | aivonix | and one of them is called jenkins.sh and the other one is just jenkins |
| 17:26.37 | SynrGy | the names of the scripts are irrelevant ... |
| 17:26.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i read that as DependencyBassBoost at first. |
| 17:26.39 | aivonix | but the NAME=jenkins is the same |
| 17:26.48 | SynrGy | the NAME=jenkins is irrelevant |
| 17:26.49 | socomm | aivonix: Yeah ... |
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| 17:26.59 | SynrGy | it's the LSB headers that are relevant |
| 17:27.02 | aivonix | right |
| 17:27.08 | aivonix | right |
| 17:27.22 | SynrGy | look for Provides: |
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| 17:27.30 | userg | ctmjr: NVIDIA CORPORATION DEVICE [10de:1284] (rev. a1) |
| 17:27.32 | aivonix | well I want to remove the one i manually added to the system |
| 17:27.34 | SynrGy | two scripts cannot provide the same name |
| 17:27.42 | SynrGy | change the name that is provided |
| 17:27.43 | aivonix | yaeh that's the problem right there |
| 17:28.06 | aivonix | now what |
| 17:28.17 | SynrGy | change the name that is provided, then remove the one you don't want |
| 17:28.19 | aivonix | update-rc.d -f jenkins.sh remove ? |
| 17:28.42 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 17:29.33 | aivonix | okay last question |
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| 17:29.44 | aivonix | as now I have a daemon that is fully working to the need |
| 17:29.59 | aivonix | how do I make it that it runs automatically with the system start |
| 17:30.03 | aivonix | as it does not at the moment |
| 17:30.14 | aivonix | mind you it's not my daemon its the one from a .deb installation |
| 17:30.22 | aivonix | AND it's not automatically starting |
| 17:30.25 | aivonix | and it doesn't ahve an enable |
| 17:30.42 | SynrGy | hard to troubleshoot in the abstract ... details, please |
| 17:30.54 | SynrGy | a package provided by debian, or third-party? |
| 17:31.04 | aivonix | http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian/ I installed this |
| 17:31.17 | aivonix | .deb 3rd party package |
| 17:31.35 | aivonix | do you want the init script for that ? |
| 17:32.17 | SynrGy | the package should be responsible for calling update-rc.d in its postinst ... |
| 17:32.38 | aivonix | I think it did |
| 17:32.39 | aivonix | but |
| 17:32.39 | SynrGy | if it did, then there should be /etc/rc*.d/ symlinks to the init script |
| 17:32.40 | aivonix | http://paste.debian.net/plain/158231 |
| 17:32.42 | aivonix | I got that |
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| 17:32.52 | aivonix | because |
| 17:32.57 | aivonix | I had my package already there |
| 17:32.59 | aivonix | and I think they collided |
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| 17:33.01 | SynrGy | you didn't finish the install |
| 17:33.16 | SynrGy | reinstall the jenkins package, then |
| 17:33.28 | aivonix | just for sagety |
| 17:33.30 | aivonix | root@lamp /etc/init.d# update-rc.d -f jenkins.sh remove |
| 17:33.30 | aivonix | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 17:33.36 | aivonix | is this what should have happened ? |
| 17:33.41 | SynrGy | yes |
| 17:33.45 | socomm | Some people get annoyed when you use the enter key as punctuation. |
| 17:33.45 | aivonix | okay let's try |
| 17:33.48 | SynrGy | apt-get install --reinstall jenkins |
| 17:34.12 | socomm | Great way to fill up the chat window though. |
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| 17:35.00 | aivonix | http://paste.debian.net/158254/ |
| 17:35.03 | aivonix | this is what I got |
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| 17:35.36 | SynrGy | er? |
| 17:35.47 | SynrGy | looks like it's missing some context i need to understand what happened |
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| 17:36.10 | aivonix | I can't really provide any more context, I don't know what happened there |
| 17:36.15 | SynrGy | aivonix: let's start with the assumption the package is totally hosed ... |
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| 17:36.25 | SynrGy | dpkg --purge jenkins |
| 17:36.25 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up jenkins all over synrgy and woshty... |
| 17:36.37 | littlebit | hi people, I'm a beginner at networking and I'm chewing on a little challenge where I need your help. I have a rasberry py which connects to my router via wlan0 to it and on the eth0, it supplies it with internet on a hub. Now, I have found this link that suits exactly what I need: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Netzwerkbr%C3%BCcke |
| 17:36.38 | littlebit | The problem is that it has little elaboration/no example for setting it up. Now I'm running my pi with the terminal only and no gui, and I was able to configure the wlan0. But I'm stuck at the bridging part. |
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| 17:36.42 | littlebit | can someone help?? |
| 17:36.45 | SynrGy | aivonix: but before doing that save precious configs |
| 17:37.00 | SynrGy | aivonix: that is, if you have any precious configs ... |
| 17:37.07 | aivonix | nothing precious really |
| 17:37.17 | aivonix | just did it |
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| 17:39.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | littlebit: it's probably not a "hub". |
| 17:40.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | unless you have hardware from the early 1990s. |
| 17:40.17 | SynrGy | aivonix: assuming you added the apt source for jenkins properly as per the jenkins page you linked, you can apt-get install jenkins |
| 17:40.29 | littlebit | sry for the messup of the terms, switch |
| 17:40.33 | teraflop | littlebit: is the fw of wireless nic on the pi capable of doing bridge mode? |
| 17:40.36 | SynrGy | ,v jenkins |
| 17:40.37 | judd | Package: jenkins on i386 -- sid: 1.565.3-3; jessie: 1.565.3-3 |
| 17:40.53 | SynrGy | aivonix: which i assume you're doing because you're on wheezy and there's no backport, right? |
| 17:40.54 | aivonix | SynrGy: update-rc.d -r jenkins(and jenkins.sh) remove did not remove my daemon in /etc/init.d/ but it did remove my symlins, now i will just remove it manually and try apt-get install jenkins |
| 17:41.06 | SynrGy | aivonix: that's what it's supposed to do, yes |
| 17:41.15 | aivonix | I don't know what a backport is |
| 17:41.17 | SynrGy | aivonix: it's up to you to manually remove the jenkins.sh script |
| 17:41.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, could you clarify the topology a bit? [router] <--wlan--> [raspi] <--eth--> [?!] |
| 17:41.22 | SynrGy | !backports |
| 17:41.22 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 17:41.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | it sounds like you're trying to use the raspi to bridge your wifi to ethernet? |
| 17:41.51 | littlebit | terflop: Don't know to be honest. it is a realtek rtl8192cu |
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| 17:42.00 | aivonix | right |
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| 17:43.14 | aivonix | http://paste.debian.net/158261/ |
| 17:43.19 | aivonix | I think we have progress |
| 17:43.19 | teraflop | uhm littlebit i have a captive portal using this exact nic on a pi, but youll need a custom firmware for the bridge part |
| 17:44.00 | littlebit | teraflop: ahh interesting, what os are you running the captive portal on? |
| 17:44.12 | teraflop | littlebit: raspbian |
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| 17:44.57 | SynrGy | aivonix: looks about like i'd expect |
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| 17:45.17 | teraflop | littlebit: i have the 8GB raw image of the sdcard with the setup somewhere on this laptop ... |
| 17:45.31 | littlebit | teraflop: did you publish your little project? btw, my setup is just like the link that I have pasted, the diagram labeled "Bridge" is what I'm looking at. |
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| 17:46.28 | teraflop | littlebit: nah its not mine, but ill try to point you to the docs I use for the setup, please be patient ;) |
| 17:46.53 | teraflop | littlebit: so simple just hostapd and the custom fw |
| 17:47.43 | littlebit | teraflop: yeah sure, forgive my impatience. I sat all day on that problem with lots of toughts/questions.. I'm very happy that I get some support :) |
| 17:48.16 | aivonix | teraflop SynrGy: Job well done guys |
| 17:48.21 | aivonix | thanks for the help |
| 17:48.25 | aivonix | it started automatically |
| 17:48.59 | SynrGy | and that's why they pay debian maintainers the big bucks ;) |
| 17:49.00 | aivonix | and sorry for using the enter for punctuation, but I did those simple sentences as separate messages, so the idea was passed correctly :) |
| 17:49.07 | SynrGy | so you don't have to suffer through crap like that |
| 17:49.18 | aivonix | I need pills |
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| 17:49.50 | aivonix | :) but really I'm just not aware of all the functionality there |
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| 17:50.22 | aivonix | I learnt about runlevels and automating and creating init scripts |
| 17:50.27 | SynrGy | aivonix: well, at 13:32 localtime (for reference it's 13:50 here) you excessively used enter. |
| 17:50.42 | SynrGy | definitely sentence fragments and not complete thoughts. |
| 17:50.52 | centrx | Must be all those pills |
| 17:51.15 | aivonix | Yeah true, sorry, I was not really paying attention at the time |
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| 17:52.03 | SynrGy | anyway, have fun with your new jenkins server. nice piece of kit. |
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| 17:52.58 | teraflop | littlebit: you have the edimax rtl one, isn't it? |
| 17:53.08 | aivonix | yeah very much thanks for that :) |
| 17:54.07 | littlebit | teraflop: I have usb wlan thumb stick. brand: vilros but in dmesg it chose rtl8192cu as a driver |
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| 17:55.10 | teraflop | littlebit: well, i think is the same chipset, youll find out pretty fast, heres the link, it works flawlessly http://goo.gl/dRa5aJ |
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| 17:56.05 | littlebit | teraflop: btw, isn't hostapd used for making wlan hotspots? |
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| 17:57.19 | teraflop | littlebit: yes |
| 17:57.49 | littlebit | teraflop: well in my case I can leave out the hostapd then |
| 17:58.36 | teraflop | littlebit: then if you need to do bridge on the wifi youll need that fw |
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| 17:58.52 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 17:59.05 | johnfg | Just installed testing/jessie in a vm. |
| 17:59.10 | adilix | hi |
| 17:59.38 | johnfg | Will jessie be able to be upgraded to stable when it becomes such? Or will I have to do a fresh install? |
| 17:59.58 | littlebit | teraflop: I see the link now. What about that captive portal that you mentioned? |
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| 18:01.31 | teraflop | littlebit: I do with nginx but i do not have any docs about that since it's a squid and its not related to the pi directly |
| 18:02.12 | teraflop | littlebit: theres nothing special just a transparent proxy |
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| 18:02.30 | ctmjr | johnfg: if you have jessie in your sources list you do not need to do anything if you have testing in there well enjoy the ride it will be very bumpy |
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| 18:03.14 | teraflop | littlebit: the hard part was find out how to getting bridge mode on the wireless |
| 18:03.26 | teraflop | (almost for me) |
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| 18:05.19 | Quatroking | rip leonard nimoy |
| 18:05.52 | centrx | WHAT!? |
| 18:06.10 | polyphagia | rip |
| 18:06.21 | littlebit | ah ok |
| 18:06.35 | teraflop | oh that's sad |
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| 18:08.12 | littlebit | thats very sad |
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| 18:09.29 | SynrGy | btw, people will be discovering/sharing this all day. a reminder to all that #debian-offtopic is the place for it. |
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| 18:11.19 | johnfg | ctmjr: Thanks, but not too bumpy :-) So you'd recommend maybe doing a fresh install when testing becomes stable and jessie is released? |
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| 18:12.46 | SynrGy | it's unlikely jessie will change much between now and when it becomes stable. and it's less likely that it would develop problems only fixable by a reinstall. |
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| 18:13.23 | SynrGy | if you're adventuresome and want to install jessie now and stay on it after it becomes stable, just install it, and make sure you have 'jessie', not 'testing' in your sources.list |
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| 18:13.53 | jelly | that ought to be the default |
| 18:14.02 | SynrGy | should be, yes |
| 18:14.04 | jelly | fixed around lennyish or so? |
| 18:14.09 | ctmjr | johnfg: what he said |
| 18:14.25 | SynrGy | people can do crap like have a broken network during netinst and manually edit sources.list is why i mention it |
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| 18:17.27 | voip_ | Hello guys i need to do command /etc/init.d/program restart from user witout password. I made changes in sudoers file: user ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/program , But system agin asks password |
| 18:18.25 | SynrGy | order-sensitive |
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| 18:18.48 | SynrGy | voip_: last match is used. |
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| 18:19.26 | SynrGy | voip_: e.g. if you have another entry for user that does require a password and it's after this one, it will be used, and you'll be prompted for a password. to fix, move this one to the end |
| 18:20.04 | SynrGy | voip_: if user is in the 'sudo' group, for example, that line is: |
| 18:20.05 | SynrGy | %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
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| 18:20.16 | SynrGy | so your NOPASSWD line would have to go *after* this |
| 18:20.55 | SynrGy | all this is in the sudoers man page, btw. |
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| 18:21.23 | SynrGy | (well, the %sudo stuff is easy to overlook :) |
| 18:21.48 | voip_ | SynrGy, yes i have %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
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| 18:23.09 | voip_ | shuld i remove %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL ? |
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| 18:24.47 | johnfg | SynrGy: You mean change to to Jessie *after* it becomes stable, don't change it from testing now? |
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| 18:25.38 | johnfg | Is there a way in gnome 3 to have a terminal available from a right-click of the mouse menu? |
| 18:25.57 | SynrGy | johnfg: no, i mean make sure right now it says 'jessie' |
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| 18:26.11 | SynrGy | because then it will seamlessly become stable on release day without you doing anything |
| 18:26.21 | SynrGy | voip_: no. |
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| 18:26.33 | SynrGy | voip_: just do exactly as i advised. |
| 18:26.40 | SynrGy | 14:20 < SynrGy> so your NOPASSWD line would have to go *after* this |
| 18:26.53 | SynrGy | voip_: that is, if 'user' is in the sudo group. is it? |
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| 18:27.15 | SynrGy | or does 'user' have any other lines in sudoers that apply to it? |
| 18:27.34 | jelly | I wonder if the best practice should be to add stuff to /etc/sudoers.d/local now and keep the default file intact |
| 18:27.36 | SynrGy | voip_: the key is, you need to make your more specific rules go *after* the more general rules, which is a bit counter-intuitive, but the man page explains |
| 18:27.57 | dondelelcaro | jelly: or just add people to sudo unless they need special permissions |
| 18:28.18 | dondelelcaro | (which maybe is the case here) |
| 18:28.27 | jelly | dondelelcaro: no way in hell I'm going to give devs anything else than ability to restart their service! |
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| 18:28.41 | dondelelcaro | jelly: yeah, that'd be a case of special permissions |
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| 18:28.49 | voip_ | SynrGy, user only in 1 line, theres no more lines regarding user |
| 18:28.51 | jelly | and this looks like "give user foo ability to restart a specific service" |
| 18:29.01 | dondelelcaro | hasn't read scrollback |
| 18:29.03 | SynrGy | voip_: what groups is user in? |
| 18:29.08 | SynrGy | voip_: use the 'groups' command |
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| 18:29.32 | SynrGy | are* |
| 18:29.47 | johnfg | SynrGy: Roger that and thanks! |
| 18:29.50 | SynrGy | what are the groups user is in i mean. :) |
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| 18:29.59 | SynrGy | english. so hard. |
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| 18:30.15 | jelly | !be an English barbie |
| 18:30.16 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
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| 18:30.46 | SynrGy | :p |
| 18:32.10 | voip_ | SynrGy, user in "user" group iser id 1000 home : /home/user |
| 18:32.28 | SynrGy | !be english barbie |
| 18:32.29 | dpkg | But english is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 18:32.45 | SynrGy | jelly: listkeys barbie |
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| 18:33.46 | jelly | SynrGy: I refuse to use bad grammar when mocking language issues |
| 18:33.51 | adilix | so people my debian usb stick server is up and running like hell thx for helping me |
| 18:34.06 | adilix | cya bye bye |
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| 18:34.53 | SynrGy | it serves sticks? |
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| 18:37.26 | johnfg | I was going to download/install an extension to be able to get a terminal on right-click, but the page says it can't find a copy of Gnome on the system. |
| 18:38.21 | mtn | johnfg: read carefully and you will see a link to add support for the extensions |
| 18:38.22 | johnfg | However, I'm running gnome 3. Then, it says I need gnome shell integration, but I can't find it. |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | johnfg: which browser are you using? |
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| 18:38.40 | mtn | johnfg: it might say help or something |
| 18:38.46 | abrotman | has had more luck with epiphany for extensions |
| 18:38.50 | johnfg | abrotman: iceweasel, that came with install. |
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| 18:39.09 | mtn | johnfg: iceweasel will work fine, you just have to turn support on |
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| 18:41.09 | johnfg | mtn? I'm all ears & eyes :-) |
| 18:41.15 | abrotman | johnfg: are you running gnome3 currently, or just have it insgtalled? |
| 18:41.54 | mtn | johnfg: I already told you. look at the message where it says no gnome found. there is a link, saying "more info" or "help", which will let you add support for adding extensions |
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| 18:42.18 | johnfg | running it currently, and I verified and gnome-shell-extensions is installed. |
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| 18:43.14 | johnfg | mtn: I did read it, and then you suggested what I'd done. The link says I need gnome shell integration, but that's what I can't figure out where it is. |
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| 18:43.21 | johnfg | Or, how to turn it on. |
| 18:43.37 | mtn | johnfg: take a screen shot of the page with the message and paste it to imgur.com |
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| 18:45.43 | johnfg | mtn: Ok. |
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| 18:47.10 | abrotman | picpaste! |
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| 18:48.49 | Tenkawa | yay one more piece of hardware working on this tablet |
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| 18:50.05 | johnfg | Nevermind, I figured this part out. New: |
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| 18:51.09 | johnfg | "When desktop icons are disabled in GNOME Shell, nautilus-open-terminal is not effective." |
| 18:51.31 | johnfg | So, before I add an extension, is there a way to enable desktop icons on GNOME Shell? |
| 18:51.49 | mtn | johnfg: sure, gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 18:54.09 | johnfg | mtn: Almost as easy as gnome-classic, but I used dconf-editor. |
| 18:54.17 | johnfg | Thanks for the help and suggestions guys. |
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| 18:58.52 | oytf | I've got sporadical trouble with cpufreq; most of the times, setting the clock speed with a command like "cpufreq-set -r --min 1.2GHz --max 1.87GHz" works. Sometimes not; what might be the reason for this mysteryous behaviour? |
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| 18:59.49 | valdyn | oytf: on what cpu? |
| 19:00.29 | valdyn | oytf: using which governor? |
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| 19:01.36 | oytf | valdyn: changing the governor works |
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| 19:01.54 | qmr | Is it possible to specify allowed number of arguments in sudo, or do I need to write a wrapper? |
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| 19:02.04 | oytf | valdyn: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz |
| 19:02.06 | Vladimirski | is there a way to install basic dependency package? |
| 19:02.16 | Vladimirski | I can't install LAMP-server because i get "unmet dependencies" |
| 19:02.22 | Raydiation | what is the recommended way to get a curl version that supports tls 1.2 into wheezy? iirc its 7.34 |
| 19:02.26 | valdyn | Vladimirski: so thats not a debian package? |
| 19:02.46 | valdyn | judd: versions curl |
| 19:02.47 | judd | Package: curl on i386 -- squeeze: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security-lts: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze11; wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 7.26.0-1+wheezy12; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy12; sid: 7.38.0-4; jessie: 7.38.0-4 |
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| 19:03.23 | oytf | valdyn: governor is ondemand at the moment, can change it to powersave or whatever. But the clock speed is set between 1.2 and 1.2 GHz and I can't change that :-))) |
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| 19:03.37 | valdyn | oytf: which cpu? |
| 19:03.42 | oytf | valdyn: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz |
| 19:04.26 | PWHQ | Hello, I am looking for some help picking a software to stream music to my devices. It would be hosted on a remote server. |
| 19:04.43 | valdyn | oytf: theres some cpu that dont do scaling by mhz alone, im looking into it, sec |
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| 19:05.48 | oytf | valdyn: but normally it works!!! It's just on random occasions that it doesn't... |
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| 19:06.07 | teraflop | PWHQ: I use mpd for that |
| 19:06.15 | valdyn | oytf: you think it does, but it does not really |
| 19:06.37 | PWHQ | teraflop, does mpd offer a web client also? |
| 19:06.39 | oytf | At least I feel the difference in clock speed when it works :-) |
| 19:07.15 | Raydiation | hm, 166 bugs left til jessie? https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 19:07.28 | valdyn | oytf: lsmod | grep powerclamp |
| 19:07.37 | PWHQ | I am currently using SubSonic but I'm not really liking it as I can't find many modern music players that support it on my PC. |
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| 19:08.04 | teraflop | PWHQ: it can stream music over http, there are clients but you didnt say what your devices _are_ |
| 19:08.07 | Vladimirski | valdyn: well I can't install LAMP or pretty much any other packages |
| 19:08.29 | valdyn | Vladimirski: "lamp" is not a debian package |
| 19:08.31 | Vladimirski | not mysql-server either |
| 19:08.46 | valdyn | Vladimirski: what is the error message when you try an actual debian package? |
| 19:09.37 | Brigo | PWHQ, may be groovebasin |
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| 19:09.41 | PWHQ | teraflop, Mobile device, Windows PC, XBMC |
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| 19:09.48 | oytf | valdyn: no output |
| 19:09.55 | teraflop | PWHQ: linux, windows, android, osx, kodi has clients, anyway whatever deice that can do http://ip:port can play music |
| 19:10.03 | teraflop | device* |
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| 19:10.14 | valdyn | oytf: im talking specifically about the pstate driver, so "lsmod | grep pstate" gives nothing either ? |
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| 19:10.46 | oytf | valdyn: nothing |
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| 19:10.56 | teraflop | PWHQ: including a web browser |
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| 19:11.03 | valdyn | oytf: so which driver is loaded? |
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| 19:11.41 | oytf | valdyn: one that is able to change the governor :) |
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| 19:11.59 | valdyn | oytf: all are |
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| 19:12.26 | oytf | valdyn: cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave acpi_cpufreq processor |
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| 19:13.54 | oytf | valdyn: ^^ this is the output of lsmod | grep cpufreq |
| 19:14.10 | valdyn | oytf: lucky, acpi_cpufreq is one driver |
| 19:14.16 | valdyn | oytf: so thats probably yours |
| 19:14.36 | oytf | valdyn: I guessed it's one of those :) |
| 19:14.43 | teraflop | PWHQ: also mpdroid apk is awesome, I love so much mpd so may be im no being fair :) |
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| 19:15.11 | valdyn | oytf: earlier i was looking for "intel_pstate" , which is another, but you're not using that |
| 19:15.27 | oytf | valdyn: yes, nope |
| 19:15.50 | oytf | valdyn: Any idea how to cure this misbehaviour? |
| 19:16.10 | oytf | valdyn: would like to set the clock speed beyong 1.2 GHz :) |
| 19:16.23 | PWHQ | teraflop, it seems like it is great software, does any of the clients pull album artist information from last.fm etc? that you know off the top of your head |
| 19:16.27 | valdyn | oytf: no, im looking for *anyone* else having that problem (via google), no success |
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| 19:17.31 | oytf | valdyn: thanks anyway for your effort :) |
| 19:17.58 | teraflop | PWHQ: mpdroid for sure (android), kodi too |
| 19:18.04 | valdyn | oytf: can you paste the output of "cpufreq-info" ? |
| 19:18.57 | teraflop | PWHQ: also you can use beets or something similar to put all the stuff the way you like |
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| 19:20.10 | oytf | pasted everything, though all cores should be set up likewise: https://paste.debian.net/158318/ |
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| 19:20.35 | teraflop | PWHQ: just in my case I have a armv7l headless board runnig debian stable with a sata hd and I hear my music everywhere |
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| 19:25.23 | oytf | valdyn: forgot to mention your name in my last post^^. Should I hunt for loading some of the modules you mentioned? |
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| 19:27.48 | valdyn | oytf: nah |
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| 19:28.15 | valdyn | oytf: is your cpu sandy bridge or newer? |
| 19:28.25 | oytf | valdyn: it's the first Atom generation |
| 19:28.34 | oytf | valdyn: sorry, I mean core i5 for laptops |
| 19:28.59 | oytf | valdyn: the laptop is from 2010 (time's running, huh) |
| 19:29.37 | valdyn | oytf: do you actually use a userspace daemon, or is this governor chose so you can change frequency easily? |
| 19:29.47 | Vladimirski | I can't get apt-get update |
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| 19:29.58 | valdyn | oytf: oh, sorry i misread |
| 19:30.49 | valdyn | oytf: tell us how you change the frequency from the current sitaution , the command that does not do what you want |
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| 19:31.17 | oytf | valdyn: cpufreq-set -r --min 1.2GHz --max 2GHz |
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| 19:31.43 | oytf | valdyn: Which usually works. And would so after another reboot... |
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| 19:33.19 | holms | just a stupid question, anyone knows where's global midnight commander config? in /etc/mc/ seems to be nothing special.. creating something like "init" doesn't work |
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| 19:33.53 | oytf | holms: tried "dpkg -L mc"? |
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| 19:34.35 | holms | yeah |
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| 19:35.14 | oytf | holms: I think it's the directory /etc/mc/ |
| 19:35.18 | valdyn | oytf: "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq" |
| 19:35.27 | holms | oytf: yeah it is, question what's the file name :D |
| 19:35.52 | oytf | valdyn: 1199000 |
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| 19:36.09 | holms | oytf: ~/.mc/ini for home dir, /etc/mc/ini doesn't do anything |
| 19:36.26 | valdyn | oytf: does that change after "cat 2000000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq" |
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| 19:36.43 | oytf | holms: it has different configs for different areas. mc.keymap for keymaps, etc. |
| 19:36.55 | holms | hmz |
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| 19:37.20 | oytf | valdyn: I guess you mean echo, mom |
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| 19:37.28 | valdyn | oytf: yea |
| 19:37.30 | holms | oytf: none of them is something like traditional ~/.mc/ini is |
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| 19:38.36 | oytf | valdyn: no, doesn't change its orig. value |
| 19:38.42 | holms | oh ok.. /usr/share/mc/mc.ini |
| 19:39.15 | teraflop | holms: i have mine in ~/.config/mc |
| 19:39.20 | valdyn | oytf: is your battery low or at least below 85% ? |
| 19:39.22 | holms | teraflop: i need global one |
| 19:39.37 | oytf | holms: what you are looking for is most likely in this dir. What exactly are you looking for? |
| 19:39.49 | holms | mc.ini |
| 19:39.56 | holms | oytf: by default it doesn't exist |
| 19:40.10 | holms | all i've found is how to create overriden stuff in your home dir |
| 19:40.25 | holms | but no idea where how to set those settings globally as global config literally absent in the package |
| 19:40.28 | oytf | valdyn: for a month or so, my battery died to only running for a few minutes, before over two hours after three years of usage |
| 19:40.34 | teraflop | holms: http://ix.io/gB8 |
| 19:40.37 | holms | older man pages says it's /usr/share/mc/mc.ini trying that.. |
| 19:40.46 | oytf | valdyn: but the problem existed before, agnostic of the battery state |
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| 19:40.56 | holms | teraflop: what's that |
| 19:41.11 | LiENUS | is there any way to get update notifications from packages.debian.org? ie to watch a package and if a new version is pushed to the repositories get an email |
| 19:41.12 | teraflop | a tree inside ~/.config/mc |
| 19:41.14 | valdyn | oytf: its probably agnostic of battery state (current), but may be triggered by a certain battery state |
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| 19:41.19 | teraflop | holms: *a tree inside ~/.config/mc |
| 19:41.32 | holms | teraflop: if you put this to /etc/mc/ it doesn't work |
| 19:41.35 | holms | :) |
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| 19:41.48 | teraflop | holms: sorry put what? |
| 19:41.52 | valdyn | oytf: in any case its done by the driver, i see one bug like yours where a bios upgrade is available that fixes it |
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| 19:42.04 | holms | teraflop: those files |
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| 19:42.19 | holms | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.21 | valdyn | oytf: which laptop is it exactly? |
| 19:42.45 | oytf | valdyn: yes, my bios is dated, the problem is that it's a modified BIOS which allowed me to run another wifi card than those *certified* by lenovo. Don't talk about it... |
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| 19:43.16 | oytf | valdyn: I'll probably spend some time in finding a new version |
| 19:43.21 | teraflop | holms: I just have per user config file in ~/.config/mc/ |
| 19:43.26 | holms | k... |
| 19:43.29 | holms | If this file doesn't exist, it will load |
| 19:43.31 | holms | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.30 | oytf | valdyn: so it's probable that a bios upgrade might fix my problem? Should I file a bugreport anyway? |
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| 19:44.36 | holms | finally |
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| 19:44.45 | holms | dark theme love it. |
| 19:45.16 | valdyn | oytf: this bug exists in various incarnations (bug numbers, bug tracking systems). Not all may be exactly like yours, but it seems its the bios yes |
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| 19:46.14 | valdyn | oytf: maybe whatever your bios does can just be switched off. I wouldnt know. |
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| 19:47.29 | valdyn | oytf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1050843 <- similar, but not yours |
| 19:47.45 | oytf | valdyn: years ago, I got a modified bios from mydigitallife. Do you know about this stuff? Would you recommend another site? |
| 19:47.54 | valdyn | oytf: no idea |
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| 19:48.41 | holms | and equevalent for ~/.vim dir in /etc/vim/ would be..? |
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| 19:49.00 | oytf | valdyn: Will search for a bios update these days. Thanks for all your effort. |
| 19:49.13 | valdyn | holms: the equivalent to ~/.vim is /etc/vim/ |
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| 19:49.46 | valdyn | oytf: welcome |
| 19:49.47 | holms | valdyn: there's vimrc in there too are you sure? |
| 19:49.56 | oytf | valdyn: isn't the equivalent to ~/.vim /home/<user>/.vim ? |
| 19:50.14 | holms | i need global directory |
| 19:50.26 | holms | seems to be it's /usr/share/vim/vim74 |
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| 19:51.39 | valdyn | holms: you dont put anything there, thats for debian packaging |
| 19:51.46 | holms | ok |
| 19:51.56 | holms | k i'll put that one in root, no one using this except me anyway |
| 19:52.02 | valdyn | holms: /usr/local/share/whatever - you can use that |
| 19:52.10 | holms | ah |
| 19:52.12 | holms | great |
| 19:53.28 | valdyn | holms: this is not vim specific - so i cant tell you if (whatever it is you want to do) should be at /etc/vim/ or /usr/local/share/whatever |
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| 19:53.51 | holms | home the second one is more recommended.. |
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| 19:58.38 | zett_zelett | I just ran an upgrade on my Debian testing/unstable system and now I get âNote: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbinâ â does anyone know how to fix the rootâs path, i.e. which file to look at? |
| 19:58.40 | teclo- | Hi, got a problem, when I remove a device, udev runs the script twice... any idea ? |
| 19:58.48 | zett_zelett | (I get this when using apt-get.) |
| 19:58.59 | zett_zelett | âdpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executableâ |
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| 20:00.19 | tremon | zett_zelett: read /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 20:00.48 | zett_zelett | Ok. |
| 20:01.12 | zett_zelett | How? |
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| 20:01.24 | greycat | zless /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 20:02.46 | zett_zelett | Thanks. |
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| 20:03.39 | zett_zelett | Not sure if I understand the consequences of what I read/what to do about it, though. |
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| 20:06.14 | zett_zelett | I guess I need to put in a secure_path field, but what value should I assign to it? |
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| 20:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 20:07.23 | zett_zelett | The ones missing, i.e. /usr/local/sbin and such? |
| 20:07.24 | zett_zelett | Ok. |
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| 20:11.14 | Vladimirski | i get this when typing apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/XeGwMLLZ |
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| 20:12.16 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 20:12.17 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:12.20 | valdyn | Vladimirski: ^^ |
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| 20:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | he hasn't asked anything |
| 20:12.57 | tremon | zett_zelett:mine has Defaultssecure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 20:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe he just wanted to show around his apt-get update output a bit because it's so great |
| 20:13.16 | Vladimirski | valdyn: so I just run these commands? |
| 20:13.30 | valdyn | Vladimirski: no, you fix your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:13.48 | Vladimirski | oki |
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| 20:14.26 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: he asked earlier, somewhat weird, but he did |
| 20:15.29 | zett_zelett | I still have some issues. Trying to install anything gives: http://pastebin.com/0snAFtBe âE: Can't find a source to download version '0.18.7-1' of 'mpd:i386'â. |
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| 20:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, missed that :) |
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| 20:16.55 | valdyn | zett_zelett: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:17.21 | Vladimirski | thanks alot valdyn that did the thing=) |
| 20:17.30 | zett_zelett | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/Nbc0CwLi |
| 20:17.31 | valdyn | ( any paste site where i dont have to pass a catche to *look* at something would be great ) |
| 20:17.37 | zett_zelett | Oh. |
| 20:18.14 | zett_zelett | http://lpaste.net/7637482537064857600 |
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| 20:18.42 | zett_zelett | (Language: Haskell is false.) |
| 20:19.08 | valdyn | zett_zelett: its ok, run "aptitude update" and try again, see if theres any errors, if you cant see any error, paste everything |
| 20:19.34 | valdyn | zett_zelett: i mean error on top of what you showed already |
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| 20:20.12 | valdyn | zett_zelett: your sources.list is broken for some reasons, but not in a way that should prevent you from installing mpd:i386 |
| 20:20.21 | applepi | Hello all.. I'm doing some work with a custom apt server and while my packages install, remove, and depend perfectly, after installing I'm left with the .deb file at / |
| 20:20.28 | applepi | Is there some option I'm missing which should remove it, or do I just need to add that to my postinst? |
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| 20:21.08 | tremon | applepi: apt doesn't remove downloaded packages until you run apt-get clean. But they should be in /var/cache/apt, not in / |
| 20:21.16 | valdyn | applepi: what puts the .deb file into / ? installing it does? |
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| 20:21.38 | zett_zelett | valdyn: No errors, http://lpaste.net/337416049567727616. |
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| 20:22.18 | valdyn | zett_zelett: yea, now proceed |
| 20:23.17 | applepi | tremon: yeah, that's what I thought. I'm not sure why it's putting it there before installing when I apt-get it, but everything seems to work fine other than that |
| 20:23.34 | applepi | valdyn: yes, I am apt-getting the package from a custom deb server |
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| 20:23.59 | zett_zelett | valdyn: Installing emacs gives again: http://lpaste.net/6437279829145419776 |
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| 20:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | applepi, does that happen with packages from a regular debian repo as well? |
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| 20:24.32 | applepi | CutMeOwnThroat: No |
| 20:24.49 | valdyn | zett_zelett: "apt-cache policy mpd" gives what? |
| 20:24.50 | zett_zelett | And this is by the way what trying to (re-)install mpd gets me: http://lpaste.net/4696349216925024256 |
| 20:25.14 | zett_zelett | apt-cache policy mpd: http://lpaste.net/3476203133309288448 |
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| 20:26.19 | tremon | zett_zelett: try aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall mpd |
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| 20:27.11 | valdyn | applepi: the .deb is contained in the .deb you are installing? are you sure its put there *before* installation? |
| 20:27.14 | zett_zelett | »> sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall mpd« gives http://lpaste.net/3683248336824958976 |
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| 20:27.53 | applepi | valdyn: I seem to have found the issue, somehow I am generating a .deb inside my .deb... |
| 20:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 20:28.23 | tremon | heh. I'm going to assume that version used to be in testing. Try install instead of reinstall (reinstall will not install a newer version) |
| 20:28.31 | applepi | I'm not sure how that's happening though O_O |
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| 20:29.34 | zett_zelett | tremon: This gives me the same as with »sudo aptitude install mpd« http://lpaste.net/6360307164728262656. |
| 20:29.38 | valdyn | plenty packages fail to install/remove when their init scripts fails. This should be an rc bug. I don't know if it is. |
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| 20:30.26 | valdyn | zett_zelett: i would just remove the postrm /prerm scripts. But thats a little dangerous. |
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| 20:30.36 | zett_zelett | How is it dangerous? |
| 20:30.58 | valdyn | zett_zelett: goes like "rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mpd.postrm" |
| 20:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | the scripts are supposed to do something and if you remove them, they won't do whatever it is? |
| 20:31.01 | applepi | Oh, HA, found it. I was spitting my .deb out into the same directory that I was making a package out of |
| 20:31.07 | tremon | zett_zelett: in this case, I would put "exit 0" as the second line of /etc/init.d/mpd (assuming no systemd service file) |
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| 20:31.25 | valdyn | zett_zelett: its more dangerous with databases or similar, mpd is just a music player .... |
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| 20:32.21 | zett_zelett | Afterwards just normal install of mpd? |
| 20:32.28 | valdyn | zett_zelett: no |
| 20:32.43 | zett_zelett | The "to DPkg::Opâ¦" install? |
| 20:32.49 | zett_zelett | -o, I mean. |
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| 20:33.15 | valdyn | zett_zelett: "rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mpd.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mpd.prerm; dpkg --purge mpd" |
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| 20:33.20 | zett_zelett | Ah. |
| 20:33.24 | valdyn | zett_zelett: or wait till someone else tells you something neater |
| 20:33.24 | tremon | zett_zelett: doesn't matter, that -o option should replace /etc/mpd.conf with the default, but somehow it doesn't |
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| 20:34.16 | tomatto | how can i create /dev/parport0? |
| 20:34.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | do you have a hardware parallel port? |
| 20:34.44 | valdyn | zett_zelett: either way you have a dangerously bad maintained system - you should not even ever get into a situation like this for the reasons you did. |
| 20:35.00 | zett_zelett | Purging mpd via dpkg gives an error, saying âpackage is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting a removalâ. |
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| 20:35.23 | valdyn | zett_zelett: aha |
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| 20:36.38 | valdyn | zett_zelett: "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mpd_0.19.1-1.1_i386.deb" , then give us the new error |
| 20:36.46 | zett_zelett | Haha, ok. |
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| 20:38.05 | zett_zelett | âdpkg: error processing package mpd (--install): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1â |
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| 20:38.23 | zett_zelett | Now I have a *really* bad conscience. |
| 20:38.23 | valdyn | zett_zelett: nice |
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| 20:38.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | for a second i thought that said mdp and i was about to be all like "no! don't do it!!!" |
| 20:39.06 | valdyn | zett_zelett: now remove the postinst script and run "dpkg --configure --pending" |
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| 20:39.45 | valdyn | zett_zelett: that was "rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mpd.postinst" |
| 20:40.09 | iio7 | I am trying to install Jessie on some crap box with UEFI boot. However the install hangs at 0% when creating the EFI-fat16 file system. What options do I have? |
| 20:40.18 | dutchfish | hi, how to gracefully close an openoffice aplication remootely (as root over ssh)? kill -9 $(pgrep soffice), does leaves me with a broken file, asking if i want to attempt to repair, next time i open it? |
| 20:40.20 | zett_zelett | Now itâs about xcursor-themes! |
| 20:40.44 | zett_zelett | http://lpaste.net/715985303239655424 |
| 20:40.59 | zett_zelett | But mpd didnât complain. Yay. |
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| 20:41.18 | valdyn | dutchfish: kill $(pgrep soffice) does not do it? |
| 20:41.25 | squisher | iio7, if I recall correctly there is no jessie installer - the installer is "testing" pre-release. Maybe try to install wheezy and then upgrade? Though i guess wheezy doesn't do uefi, you'd have to fix that manually |
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| 20:42.01 | valdyn | zett_zelett: that mpd is broken though, so please purge it, "dpkg --purge mpd" |
| 20:42.04 | dutchfish | valdyn, nope, leaves me with a broken file, and i cant figure it out, because no bit in the file has been altered, actually this is impress running in a kiosk mode |
| 20:42.04 | zett_zelett | Should I now purge mpd with dpkg? |
| 20:42.06 | zett_zelett | Yeha. |
| 20:42.08 | iio7 | squisher, thanks for the info. |
| 20:42.30 | tomatto | NoImNotNineVolt: yes, i have hw parallel port and loaded kernel module parport and parport_pc |
| 20:43.05 | miskatonic | wheezy does not do uefi? what's that supposed to mean? |
| 20:43.13 | dutchfish | valdyn, after a manual, repair, all is well again, until i next time need to restart the box, or provide a new file for impress |
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| 20:43.41 | zett_zelett | â[FAIL] /etc/mpd.conf must have pid_file set; cannot stop daemon. ... failed!â â I have a cat /etc/mpd.conf.dpkg-dist with pid_file"/run/mpd/pid", should I just copy it to mpd.conf? |
| 20:43.49 | zett_zelett | --cat |
| 20:43.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | tomatto: that's strange then. |
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| 20:44.05 | zett_zelett | And --tabs. |
| 20:44.13 | valdyn | zett_zelett: no, just start the daemon |
| 20:44.26 | zett_zelett | Doesnât work. |
| 20:44.42 | zett_zelett | I have no /etc/mpd.conf for some reason. |
| 20:44.46 | valdyn | zett_zelett: uh, remove the prerm and postrm scripts, purge mpd |
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| 20:45.32 | valdyn | zett_zelett: ^^ was the original plan, remember, but we got it into an inconsitent state, so had to fix that first, which we did |
| 20:45.51 | zett_zelett | Ok, mpd is purged. |
| 20:46.01 | zett_zelett | Should I do the same with xcursor-themes now? |
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| 20:46.57 | valdyn | zett_zelett: yea, but try reinstalling it first "apt-get install --reinstall xcursor-themes" |
| 20:47.08 | iio7 | exit |
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| 20:50.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, thanks anyway, i will try to hack something up by sending a string over dbus to impress |
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| 20:53.46 | tomatto | NoImNotNineVolt: i had to load ppdev either |
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| 21:10.10 | zett_zelett | Okay, everything seems to work now! Many, many thank to the both of you, valdyn and tremon. |
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| 21:10.55 | zett_zelett | (Also, Iâm sorry for doing a bad job at maintaining my system.) |
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| 21:21.21 | dutchfish | valdyn, fyi, just in case anyone else asks this again, the --norestore for impress did the trick |
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| 21:36.25 | zapotah | any way to expose an lvm volume as a scsi device? |
| 21:36.36 | zapotah | without mucking with iscsi on the host itself |
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| 21:41.09 | zapotah | tcm_loop? |
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| 21:42.34 | jaggzt | skype making sounds is stopping vlc from playing.. why's that? how do I make vlc continue automatically? |
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| 21:43.13 | valdyn | jaggzt: skype is doing something to pulseaudio |
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| 21:44.07 | valdyn | http://lightrush.ndoytchev.com/random-1/debiansqueezefixespreventskypefrompausingaudiovideoplayback |
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| 21:44.33 | valdyn | jaggzt: this is a feature, but as far as i know skype has no way to switch that off |
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| 21:46.24 | jaggzt | valdyn, thanks a lot :) |
| 21:47.36 | acz32 | when i installed the latest iceweasel yesterday, some websites wouldn't load and gave warnings that they had invalid certificates. today everything it back to normal. why is that? |
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| 21:48.46 | twisted_spirit | hi |
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| 23:26.41 | acz32 | when i installed the latest iceweasel yesterday, some websites wouldn't load and gave warnings that they had invalid certificates. today everything it back to normal. why is that? |
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| 23:51.10 | jhutchins | acz32: Mercury was retrograde yesterday. |
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| 23:55.12 | rawfodog | im not getting sound anymore on my laptop. Im trying to troubleshoot but cant find the issue |
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| 23:59.54 | duoi | rawfodog, it's up |