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| 00:05.02 | eXiLe | mh, how could i auto-recompile packages which i've installed from source... in case there becomes a new version available? (`apt-get upgrade` overwrites my self-compiled package of course...) |
| 00:05.46 | rgr | if you've installed from source you dont want it installed via apt. |
| 00:05.52 | rgr | (most probably) |
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| 00:06.56 | eXiLe | well, i've used `apt-get source`... the thing is to apply a small patch but to stick to the latest stable version |
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| 00:21.27 | TaZeR | debian your the one for me your my ecstasyyyy your the one i neeeeed! |
| 00:21.32 | TaZeR | dunn dundundunnn dundundunnn |
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| 00:24.22 | kba | hi, it seems that apache and some other services are starting up before MySQL is done loading after boot, causing some trouble |
| 00:24.41 | kba | In /etc/rc2.d/, I have S02mysql and S03apache2, so I don't really understand that |
| 00:24.44 | kba | what could be the problem? |
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| 00:25.58 | kba | From what I understand, the S03 tasks shouldn't start before the S02 tasks have finished, and the S04 tasks shouldn't start before the S03 tasks have finished |
| 00:26.02 | kba | or am I misunderstanding something? |
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| 00:32.48 | sine0 | what do i need to install for this to not happen |
| 00:32.49 | sine0 | p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:33.00 | sine0 | i have apt-get install p11-kit but still get it |
| 00:33.26 | sine0 | seeing as im running a headless server and this comes from a mere bash script calling on perl binaries |
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| 00:34.05 | levlaz | sine0: Did you try to install p11-kit-modules and libp11-kit-gnome-keyring? |
| 00:34.14 | sine0 | no |
| 00:34.19 | sine0 | will do |
| 00:34.21 | sandrossv | Hello guys. I`m compiling a source code to armv6l, but it`s saying that there is a undefined reference to a function. The problem is that I already compiled that source to 64bit and that problem didnt happen. |
| 00:34.26 | sine0 | why the gnome keyring |
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| 00:34.44 | levlaz | "/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file:" |
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| 00:34.49 | levlaz | It seems to be asking for it :) |
| 00:35.02 | sine0 | E: Unable to locate package p11-kit-modules |
| 00:35.09 | zinx | sine0: dpkg --list libp11-kit-gnome-keyring |
| 00:35.15 | levlaz | sine0: Which debian are you on? |
| 00:35.19 | sine0 | wheezy arm |
| 00:35.33 | levlaz | sandrossv: Do you have the error somewhere? |
| 00:35.53 | zinx | hmmm sid doesn't even have most of that anymore |
| 00:35.59 | levlaz | sine0: looks like its in backports, do you have this enabled? |
| 00:36.00 | sandrossv | levlaz: ill post |
| 00:36.06 | sine0 | sine@pcsage:~$ dpkg --list libp11-kit-gnome-keyring |
| 00:36.06 | sine0 | dpkg-query: no packages found matching libp11-kit-gnome-keyring |
| 00:36.08 | zinx | just has p11-kit-modules |
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| 00:36.35 | sine0 | is backports an option in the sources list |
| 00:36.48 | levlaz | You have to enable them in sources.list |
| 00:36.51 | zinx | yes |
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| 00:38.23 | sandrossv | !paste |
| 00:38.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 00:39.32 | sine0 | I have this in there guys, |
| 00:39.33 | sine0 | deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian wheezy main contrib non-free rpi firmware |
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| 00:40.13 | zinx | oh raspbian isn't debian |
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| 00:40.18 | levlaz | ^^ |
| 00:40.26 | sine0 | well it is isnt it... |
| 00:40.30 | zinx | nop |
| 00:40.33 | zinx | it's based on debian |
| 00:40.36 | sandrossv | levlaz: http://paste.debian.net/158441/ |
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| 00:41.34 | sine0 | the system thinks its named debian. i dont want to tell him he is adopted as he might stop working, so treat him like all the other children ok |
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| 00:43.31 | zinx | sine0: idk how well it works with mixing debian packages, you should probably ask in #raspian |
| 00:43.44 | zinx | erh, raspbian i guess |
| 00:43.56 | sine0 | yea im there. thanks |
| 00:44.07 | sine0 | they dont have a backports mirror |
| 00:44.38 | zinx | if they keep the repos sync'd to Debian's armhf or armel repos fairly well, you may be able to use the official debian backports.org repo for wheezy |
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| 00:45.14 | sine0 | apparantly they are differnet as deb armhf is for arm 7 whilst raspbian is arm6 |
| 00:45.15 | zinx | but if they make their own packages, keep it too far out of sync, etc.. no chance.. they'd know a lot more than we do here about it. |
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| 00:45.23 | sine0 | ty |
| 00:45.23 | zinx | ah |
| 00:45.27 | zinx | yeah won't work at all then |
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| 01:06.54 | BenLue | hi together, how can i locate an bad devices with bridge loop? |
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| 01:10.13 | brentaarnold | Is there any way to cd - multiple times? |
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| 01:10.46 | themill | brentaarnold: you mean to go back further in history? |
| 01:10.46 | brentaarnold | In other words, to keep going bakc to the parent folder (as it is now, it's currently going back, then forward.) |
| 01:11.16 | themill | not unless you've used pushd instead of cd (and then you can use popd instead of cd -) |
| 01:11.48 | brentaarnold | It seems crazy that cd doesn't allow you to keep going backwards to the parent directories |
| 01:11.55 | brentaarnold | Only once backwards |
| 01:11.56 | brentaarnold | fml |
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| 01:12.33 | themill | "cd -" is going backwards in history not going up one directory. That might be the same thing or it might now |
| 01:12.35 | themill | not |
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| 01:12.57 | brentaarnold | ah, I see now, it's cd ,, |
| 01:13.09 | themill | .. not ,, |
| 01:13.10 | brentaarnold | or cd .. |
| 01:13.19 | brentaarnold | right |
| 01:13.36 | themill | and cd ../../.. to go up the hierarchy further |
| 01:14.50 | PWHQ | hey guys I am looking for a way to stream music to my house from my remote server..I am using madsonic atm but, any alternatives that are actively supported? |
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| 02:28.53 | dgeary2 | is there a command, or series of commands in combination, which can download all of the sources and build dependencies and sources thereof of a debian installation such that one can rebuild any installed package without any further tools required? |
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| 02:31.39 | dvs | dgeary2: apt-get build-dep ? |
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| 02:32.56 | dgeary2 | dvs, that gets part way. it installs build-deps for a package. then i need sources and build-deps for the build-deps, etc. |
| 02:34.18 | dgeary2 | at the moment i 1. list installed packages with 'dpkg-query -l', 2. find the source package with 'apt-cache showsrc', 3. download the source with 'apt-get source --download-only' |
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| 02:55.49 | irn4l | debian is a ubuntu source base system is from microsfot |
| 02:55.59 | irn4l | micorsoft is the owner of ubu7ntu and also bedian |
| 02:56.06 | irn4l | they just do all these things to sell |
| 02:56.12 | irn4l | dfont trust in debian guys |
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| 02:56.39 | irn4l | debian its just another mask of microsfot to try to squezze the orange in a free open source code |
| 02:56.45 | irn4l | linux is free open source code |
| 02:56.48 | phunyguy | :| |
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| 02:57.01 | phunyguy | (He just did this in #ubuntu) |
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| 02:57.28 | ectospasm | I'm trying to connect my Bluetooth mouse (Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000) with Debian Jessie. bluetoothctl can apparently see the mouse, but when I try to connect I get this: Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.NotReady |
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| 02:57.50 | ectospasm | It had worked, but after a reboot I can't get it to completely pair and connect. |
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| 03:12.45 | Choo-Choo | [dev/null] sex |
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| 03:17.06 | mcmillhj | trying to get rid of my macbook, but I really enjoy its trackpad; any recommendations for laptops with similar quality trackpads? |
| 03:17.25 | zinx | could try a block of concrete |
| 03:18.43 | mcmillhj | blocks of concrete don't have trackpads, so that seems like a poor suggestion |
| 03:19.26 | zinx | well, you asked for a trackpad of similar quality, works about as well from what i've seen ;P |
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| 03:20.34 | mcmillhj | of all of the laptops I have owned, my macbook has the smoothest trackpad I have ever used. Maybe a better question would be to ask for laptops with a smooth trackpad motion |
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| 03:21.44 | ectospasm | MacBooks have lousy trackpads. ALL trackpads are lousy. If I could go back in time I'd abort the inventor. Get a Lenovo with a trackpoint. |
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| 03:21.46 | polyphagia | i've never really used a trackpad that wasn't good |
| 03:22.16 | polyphagia | ectospasm: so he can slowly nudge the cursor in the direction he wants? |
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| 03:22.36 | ectospasm | Have you ever actually USED a trackpoint? |
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| 03:22.43 | mcmillhj | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.46 | polyphagia | yes and they're not any better than a solid trackpad |
| 03:22.57 | polyphagia | they're worse in fact and that's why no other laptop besides thinkpads have them |
| 03:23.05 | ectospasm | Trackpads never work for me. I always carry an external mouse. |
| 03:23.39 | ectospasm | Except with my Lenovo laptops |
| 03:24.32 | themill | I think there's a strong element of "what you are used to" that leads to strong personal preferences on this point |
| 03:25.02 | bujin | Hi... I am having a trouble trying to set up the wireless with my lenovo laptop |
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| 03:25.45 | bujin | I have a wireless-AC 7260 adapter |
| 03:26.02 | mcmillhj | themill: true, I am clearly started something I did not intend; I will do some more research |
| 03:26.10 | mcmillhj | polyphagia: ectospasm: thanks for the help |
| 03:26.29 | polyphagia | i didn't give any lol |
| 03:26.37 | nurupo | talking about trackpads and mouses, my laptop's touchpad doesn't produce mouse click by just poking it in debian, works fine in *buntus though. i wonder how to get that fixedd |
| 03:27.15 | themill | mcmillhj: ##hardware might have a better idea of what machines have the sort of trackpad you want. (Personally, I can't stand the buttonless mac trackpads...) |
| 03:27.56 | mcmillhj | themill: I will give that a shot, thank you |
| 03:27.56 | nurupo | the touchpad works fine, except not mouse clicking when the touch senser is single-touched. it mouse-clicks when the appropriate button for mouse click under the touchpad is pressed though |
| 03:28.52 | ectospasm | nurupo: that's a setting in whatever synaptics touchpad control your DE exposes |
| 03:29.23 | themill | nurupo: either configure that in a clicky synaptics gui or with synclient TapButton1=1 (iirc) |
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| 03:51.48 | BlaDe^ | cd /tmp |
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| 03:51.51 | BlaDe^ | oops, sorry |
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| 04:51.20 | boooga | quiet down, folks |
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| 05:17.26 | nick[0] | hi, is anyone here testing btrfs? |
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| 05:18.39 | Rusty1 | !anyone |
| 05:18.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 05:20.13 | nick[0] | Rusty1: okie doke |
| 05:20.59 | nick[0] | what I've observed is that a read-only snapshot of / (no subvolume) isn't actually a frozen snapshot like I'm used to in LVM |
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| 05:21.51 | nick[0] | but that's only half-way true...for example, new files aren't created in the /.snapshots/snapname/directories |
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| 05:23.27 | nick[0] | however, tar throws "file changed as we read it" errors for files in /home/user/.cache/etc. and also errors of. Nope, it just sync |
| 05:24.21 | nick[0] | /.snapshots/snapname/ is inheriting creating of files in /usr. I installed zile as a test |
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| 05:24.29 | Rusty1 | nick[0]: there is also a #btrfs cannel, whilst you wait here |
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| 05:43.58 | RoyK | nick[0]: btrfs isn't very stable (yet) - I've only been waiting for 6 years or so for it to stabilise, give it another 6, then perhaps |
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| 05:49.16 | nick[0] | RoyK: for my use case, I just need it to be able to scrub (which it seems to do fine, so far), and do proper frozen snapshots so I can make good backups...which are stored on non btrfs system. Do you think having / mounted on a default sub-volume would solve the bogus not frozen at all snapshot issue? |
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| 06:15.32 | RoyK | nick[0]: I'd think asking on #btrfs would be better. I don't use btrfs and thus don't know too much about it practially |
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| 06:24.40 | nick[0] | RoyK: I suspect the btrfs folks are in a timezone where everyone is sleeping ;-) Thanks for taking the time to reply! |
| 06:26.04 | RoyK | nick[0]: I'm also in a sleeping-timezone - just woke up - couldn't sleep :P |
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| 06:37.24 | nick[0] | RoyK: I've just about wrapped up my programming project for the night, then I'm off to sleep. (script to btrfs send a snapshot to a non-btrfs system over the network, checksum the stream, store it as a file, and then add 5% parity with par2. Tomorrow I'll add xdelta support to the server-side...basically, it's a script for people who don't trust shiny new experimental things, but who want to test the core functionality while maintaining good ba |
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| 06:38.55 | gr33n7007h | is debian jessie released? |
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| 06:40.34 | nick[0] | gr33n7007h: nope, but it was recently frozen. |
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| 06:41.05 | gr33n7007h | nick[0]: do you know why? |
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| 06:41.56 | nick[0] | gr33n7007h: google debian jessie freeze to find the exact date. Yes, the freeze is a normal part of the Debian release cycle. Google sid testing freeze stable release |
| 06:42.33 | gr33n7007h | nick[0]: ok, thanks will take a look at debian site |
| 06:43.32 | nick[0] | gr33n7007h: you're welcome. Take it easy. |
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| 06:43.58 | nurupo | there was a jessie release candidat a months ago or so |
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| 06:47.36 | nurupo | 1.5 months ago, actually |
| 06:47.44 | nurupo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/ |
| 06:48.25 | RoyK | rc1 two days ago |
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| 06:49.05 | RoyK | probably fine if you like to live on the edge ;) |
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| 06:50.53 | nurupo | you mean 1 months and 2 days ago? |
| 06:51.25 | nurupo | also, the builds at the link are 1 month and a half old :) |
| 06:52.06 | RoyK | erm... yes ;) |
| 06:52.14 | nurupo | i would argue about testing being an edge though |
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| 06:52.45 | jaggzt | how do you remove a downloaded apt-get source ? |
| 06:52.58 | jaggzt | just rm the tar and folder that were downloaded? |
| 06:53.12 | RoyK | jaggzt: yes |
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| 06:57.44 | jaggzt | thanks royk :) |
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| 08:51.24 | techouse | i wanna make a local copy of a WWW directory and all its contents for backup purposes |
| 08:51.36 | techouse | what would be the best way to got about this? |
| 08:51.49 | techouse | local rsync? |
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| 08:52.16 | techouse | or just a plain tar.gz? |
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| 09:03.57 | techouse | hmm, just might go with rsnapshot |
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| 09:34.36 | rgr | rsync |
| 09:34.53 | Arr0way | NSYNC |
| 09:36.28 | techouse | as far as I understand it rsnapshot is just an advanced Perl app written on top of rsync |
| 09:36.33 | techouse | so just what I need :) |
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| 09:37.08 | techouse | Arr0way: yea, I bet you'd like to back NSYNC up :D :D :D |
| 09:37.39 | rgr | it is |
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| 09:38.22 | techouse | gonna play with it now on my Fedora laptop then apply to my Debian server :) |
| 09:38.22 | Arr0way | techouse baby, bye bye bye |
| 09:38.24 | rgr | rsnapshot is nice though. I use rsync across machines using ssh to back up. fast, easy, reliable, incremental. |
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| 09:38.39 | Arr0way | techouse it aint no lie, bye bye bye |
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| 09:40.01 | techouse | rgr: and makes snapshots where the old/unchanged files are just hardlinks to old snapshots and only modified files get copied into new snapshots |
| 09:40.11 | techouse | this sh!t is awesome |
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| 09:40.36 | techouse | Arr0way: it's my d*ck in a box :D |
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| 09:41.46 | techouse | Arr0way: i'm referring to the SNL short, not anything else nasty :D |
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| 09:45.57 | rgr | yes hence incremental. |
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| 09:46.47 | techouse | (y) |
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| 09:49.39 | Particularized | why would you have a duck in your box techouse |
| 09:49.54 | techouse | LMAO! |
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| 09:51.04 | Arr0way | i imagined much worse |
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| 09:52.49 | CtrlC | Hi there, is it OK to lock /etc/resolv.conf with chatter? |
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| 09:53.24 | CtrlC | Any better way to not to let the ISP set it's own DNSs? |
| 09:53.33 | CtrlC | DNSes* |
| 09:54.06 | youellet_ | configuring network-manager/dhclient ? |
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| 09:55.09 | CtrlC | Like what it says here? https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers |
| 09:55.40 | CtrlC | I can't find this part: "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only' instead of just 'Automatic (DHCP)" |
| 09:56.18 | CtrlC | Nothing with DHCP in it there. I use DSL connection. |
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| 09:57.07 | youellet_ | you use network manager in GUI or dhclient in CLI? (from your link, i think GUI) |
| 09:57.20 | CtrlC | GUI |
| 09:57.44 | valdyn | CtrlC: you probably use ppp, then there's no dhclient involved at all |
| 09:58.30 | CtrlC | valdyn: PPP? I don't know. I set the router as a bridge and then use a DSL connection. |
| 09:58.43 | valdyn | !ppp |
| 09:58.43 | dpkg | Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) is a data link protocol frequently used in connecting a dial-up <modem> to the Internet. It is not supported at Debian installation time. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppconfig && pppconfig". For more information on Debian's PPP package, "zless /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz". See also <pppoe>, <kppp>, <wvdial>. http://wiki.debian.org/PPP |
| 09:59.08 | valdyn | CtrlC: its the typical protol used for dsl |
| 10:00.00 | youellet_ | Maybe the router/modem connect to ppp and NAT the lan on DHCP. |
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| 10:00.37 | valdyn | no, the nameserver is just not assigned via dhcp but via ppp |
| 10:01.47 | valdyn | CtrlC: how did you set up that connection? by using network-manager? |
| 10:02.23 | CtrlC | Sorry guys. I really have to go.:( Thanks for your helps. |
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| 10:07.41 | gurke_ | can you guys reocmmend me programs for my debian vps for securety and usablity? |
| 10:07.48 | gurke_ | *security |
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| 10:17.48 | CtrlC | valdyn: Yes, I did set that using network-manager. |
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| 10:18.42 | CtrlC | Now the problem is every time I re connect, the /etc/resolve.conf changes. |
| 10:19.56 | CtrlC | Any idea guys? |
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| 10:30.05 | jonny_ | I have some kind of issue where I'm swapping; it seems to be in kwin if ps isn't lying; its the one in ps with the most #cpu |
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| 10:30.31 | jonny_ | I'm running wheezy, not really looking to upgrade |
| 10:30.44 | idioterna | i'm looking for linux-kbuild-3.19 package and there isn't one |
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| 10:31.04 | idioterna | is there a way i can build my own? |
| 10:31.08 | jonny_ | I guess I will if I have to |
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| 10:32.23 | jonny_ | one question, snould I upgrade the kernel? the one I'm running is... |
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| 10:33.49 | jonny_ | Linux jonny 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:34.07 | techouse | that's -1 version for stable AFAIK |
| 10:34.47 | jonny_ | and I don't know if it's causing the problem, what other choice do I have? |
| 10:34.48 | techouse | well, you can, but you'd have to reboot your system. if you can afford that go for it |
| 10:35.04 | jonny_ | rebooting is fine |
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| 10:35.35 | techouse | then I don't see a problem in upgrading the kernel |
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| 10:36.27 | jonny_ | ok,,, the question I'd like to explore is, is it the one actually causing the problem, or if not, what is? |
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| 10:38.27 | jonny_ | I think I brought up the kernel is it's an easy target given it's in control of ram and swap |
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| 10:41.04 | htqp | jonny_: free up some ram. I don't see why/how high ram usage would cause swapping. |
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| 10:41.14 | htqp | sorry I meant "high cpu usage" |
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| 10:43.16 | jonny_ | howbout this: uptime is ok for awhile after reboots, but once it hits end of ram, it decides "Oh, I'm at end of ram... I think I;ll start using swap" |
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| 10:43.37 | jonny_ | at which point load goes up |
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| 10:44.45 | jonny_ | but my question would be, what's pushing it beyond top of ram and into swap? |
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| 10:46.55 | jonny_ | when I look at uptime, I see load averages of around 25 or 30 at that point, the UI is jittery and sluggish |
| 10:47.32 | jonny_ | when I look at ps aux, it looks like kwin is the most taxing |
| 10:48.32 | htqp | jonny_: ps mi |
| 10:48.46 | htqp | jonny_: sorry, ps axo %mem |
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| 10:49.34 | jonny_ | the first one returned unsupported option |
| 10:50.09 | htqp | (yes i hit enter too soon) |
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| 10:50.50 | jonny_ | the second gave only one column, in particular no process name |
| 10:51.44 | htqp | ps axo %mem,pid,comm |
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| 10:55.01 | jonny_ | ok, chromium has 7 or 8 processes, most zero, but oneof them is like 12 |
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| 10:56.14 | jonny_ | there are a lot of kdmflush processes |
| 10:56.31 | jonny_ | like 30 or 40 |
| 10:57.34 | htqp | what matters is the ram. for chromium, close tabs or use a tab suspender plugin, personally I use "the great suspender" |
| 10:58.58 | jonny_ | I have like 3 tabs, is it that bad with 4g ram? |
| 10:59.28 | valdyn | jonny_: no |
| 11:00.21 | valdyn | jonny_: try how your box feels with either swap completely off or swappiness at zero |
| 11:01.47 | jonny_ | you mean by swappiness at zero, after reboot? |
| 11:02.03 | valdyn | jonny_: you dont need to reboot |
| 11:02.13 | valdyn | jonny_: "swapoff -a" |
| 11:02.30 | valdyn | jonny_: see how that goes, then you can change swappiness and "swapon -a" |
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| 11:03.15 | jonny_ | that sounds like a crash since I'm so far into swap |
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| 11:03.42 | valdyn | jonny_: it might kill chrome, sure |
| 11:03.50 | valdyn | jonny_: it shouldnt crash |
| 11:04.00 | valdyn | jonny_: being far into swap by itself means nothing |
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| 11:06.34 | jonny_ | ok, swap is off |
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| 11:07.57 | jonny_ | how do I set swappiness? |
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| 11:20.00 | jonny_ | when I quit chromium my load avg falls rapidly |
| 11:20.30 | jonny_ | I'm at .5 now |
| 11:21.05 | jonny_ | .3 |
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| 11:27.13 | gurke_ | any recommend for a software to have my vps scure? |
| 11:27.38 | valdyn | jonny_: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 11:28.13 | valdyn | jonny_: at 4GB ram your chrome should work fine without swap too, even with tabs open |
| 11:28.19 | jonny_ | it's at .1 now |
| 11:28.50 | jonny_ | and that's with iceweasel with like 15 tabs |
| 11:29.03 | jonny_ | maybe 11 |
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| 11:30.21 | jonny_ | valdyn, ok, did that, now turn swap on? |
| 11:30.43 | jonny_ | what does swappyness do? |
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| 11:30.47 | valdyn | jonny_: this isnt a fix, im just saying what you might want to try to see if it works better |
| 11:31.02 | jonny_ | ok |
| 11:31.21 | valdyn | jonny_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness |
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| 11:33.10 | htqp | swappiness basically decides what to get rid first when the system is low on ram (program memory vs disk contents that were read and left in ram) |
| 11:33.11 | valdyn | jonny_: so sure just switch swap back on to see what what works best for you |
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| 11:33.32 | valdyn | htqp: no |
| 11:34.11 | htqp | erm, yes that is what "controls the relative weight given to swapping out runtime memory, as opposed to dropping pages from the system page cache" means |
| 11:34.29 | valdyn | htqp: so wikipedia is wrong I think |
| 11:35.35 | htqp | valdyn: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt "A value of 0 instructs the kernel not to |
| 11:35.35 | htqp | initiate swap until the amount of free and file-backed pages is less than the high water mark in a zone." |
| 11:36.29 | valdyn | htqp: thats better and not saying what wikipedia sais |
| 11:37.40 | valdyn | htqp: hmm, sorry, *I* read the wikipedia wording wrong |
| 11:37.50 | htqp | ... ok |
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| 11:43.33 | jonny_ | it says relative weight,,, what's it relative to? |
| 11:44.17 | valdyn | jonny_: prefer swapping out memory over dropping caches |
| 11:44.52 | valdyn | jonny_: or prefer dropping caches over swapping out |
| 11:45.00 | valdyn | jonny_: both sides get a weight |
| 11:45.48 | jonny_ | are pages a fixed size? |
| 11:45.51 | valdyn | jonny_: the best solution is where the least amount of disk access happens - but the kernel cant know this, it can only guess |
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| 11:46.07 | htqp | yes, 4K |
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| 11:47.07 | jonny_ | so if a page is kicked out, that's 4 more k that can be used? |
| 11:47.15 | htqp | yes |
| 11:48.01 | jonny_ | how's it work? is the kernel being asked for ram for a userland process? |
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| 11:48.46 | valdyn | jonny_: program asks kernel for memory, kernel decides: use free ram OR drop caches to free ram OR swap pages out to free ram |
| 11:49.28 | jonny_ | and the ram has to be contiguous? |
| 11:49.49 | htqp | no, it does not |
| 11:51.10 | jonny_ | ok, so it's if it doesn't have the free ram when it has to decide? |
| 11:51.47 | valdyn | jonny_: if the ram asked for cant be free then the program gets a page fault (i think) and has to work around that or terminate |
| 11:52.40 | jonny_ | ok. btw, this wasn't something that might have been improved by upgrading the kernel? |
| 11:52.42 | valdyn | jonny_: lets just say the malloc call fails, i dont know how the error is called |
| 11:52.48 | htqp | kernel will kill a process (OOM killer) to free some ram |
| 11:53.06 | htqp | page fault is for when userland needs a page that was previously swapped to be brought back in ram |
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| 11:54.37 | htqp | keep in mind that linux overcommits memory, that is it will really allocate memory only whn userland will try to write into it |
| 11:54.48 | valdyn | yea |
| 11:55.06 | valdyn | malloc can fail but it wont fail just because the ram is not physically there |
| 11:55.30 | htqp | the problem is that without swap, OOM killer will terminate some other program to free memory |
| 11:55.59 | jonny_ | is that a good thing? is it something that a naive program (writen in C) can screw up? |
| 11:56.32 | valdyn | jonny_: if you write a program that consumes more and more memory, then ideally the memory killer will kill it |
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| 11:56.56 | valdyn | jonny_: thats what *usually* happens to me, but its not guaranteed at all that oom-kiler will terminate the "correct" program |
| 11:57.51 | htqp | yes, potentially you can end up with a random process being killed - OOM killer computes a score for each process based on heuristics http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ |
| 11:58.10 | jonny_ | I guess there are a lot of programs (and interpreted languages) that ask for ram gradually |
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| 11:58.51 | valdyn | jonny_: about everything does that |
| 11:59.31 | jonny_ | so if I set swapiness to zero, then, what? it never swaps? |
| 11:59.43 | valdyn | jonny_: no |
| 12:00.04 | valdyn | jonny_: linux just keeps relatively few cached memory then |
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| 12:00.54 | htqp | swappiness=0 means: it will first delete the copies of disk blocks that were into ram. Then it will try to swap. |
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| 12:03.20 | valdyn | jonny_: assuming swap heuristics work ok. With lower swappiness you should get *less* performance, at better interactive latency. |
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| 12:04.53 | valdyn | jonny_: but for you the problem already seemed to be that swap heursitics didnt work out well at all, or chrome just ate to much memory |
| 12:05.25 | htqp | hm, does debian have a low latency kernel? |
| 12:05.42 | valdyn | it used to have one |
| 12:05.47 | valdyn | not anymore i think |
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| 12:06.14 | valdyn | htqp: not , at least from wheezy onwards |
| 12:06.54 | valdyn | actually |
| 12:06.59 | jonny_ | valdyn, I'm not sure how you would define "too much" for the chromium case... all I really know is |
| 12:07.13 | valdyn | wheezy stil has rt kernels |
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| 12:07.59 | jonny_ | if I quit chromium, in that case with its severalish videos, the load avg comes down |
| 12:08.01 | htqp | the rt might be worth a try in his case? I guess the problem here is latency more than actuall swapping |
| 12:08.23 | valdyn | htqp: he had huge load increases due to constant swapping |
| 12:08.34 | htqp | exactly, tha's my point |
| 12:09.02 | jonny_ | well it was a somewhat light version of that, I did see it heavier a week ago |
| 12:09.13 | valdyn | i dont think preempt_rt is useful to fix that |
| 12:09.53 | jonny_ | preempt/low-lat had been known to crash a bit more |
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| 12:10.34 | jonny_ | but I wasn't using that to improve my swapping |
| 12:11.19 | jonny_ | was using it to support better recording timings |
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| 12:13.32 | htqp | I wonder whether increasing swappiness (swapping program memory before you really need it, ideally while you are doing other things) would make an improvement |
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| 12:14.04 | misko_ | hello, is anyone using pacemaker on wheezy? |
| 12:14.07 | htqp | because the problem is not swapping (on the other hand, it's what prevents chromiujm from being killed/crashing) but that, when you need a response, the system FIRST swaps then answers |
| 12:14.49 | htqp | and I'd give zram/zswap a try, they compress pages into RAM or before writing, hence reducing disk input/output |
| 12:15.15 | htqp | at the expense of the CPU performing compression in the background (should not be a problem on multple core CPU) |
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| 12:15.41 | jonny_ | well I'll be initially playing with the swappiness setting |
| 12:16.06 | jonny_ | zero seems extreme... |
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| 12:21.26 | jonny_ | is wheezy oldstable yet? |
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| 12:27.08 | funtriaco | how can force a time update? I already cd /etc/; rm -Rf timezone; ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York timezone |
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| 12:27.17 | funtriaco | and ntp restart |
| 12:27.25 | funtriaco | time still Sat Feb 28 12:13:36 UTC 2015 |
| 12:27.32 | funtriaco | its 7:27 AM |
| 12:27.57 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 12:27.57 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. |
| 12:28.04 | valdyn | !timezones |
| 12:28.08 | valdyn | !timezone |
| 12:28.08 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 12:31.30 | jeremejevs | hi, I'm having trouble with Deluge on Debian, getting lower speeds than possible/expected; more info here: http://redd.it/2xgfgc any insights would be greatly appreciated |
| 12:32.24 | funtriaco | valdyn: gracias! |
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| 12:52.53 | Linnak | Hi, how should I imagine the process of adding software to repositories? For example John programmer writes a software. He tested it many times, then he upload s in Sid repository, where some Debian guys test it as well before it gets into the Sid repo, and then after a couple of days if moe people tested it it gets in to testing repo? |
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| 12:55.19 | tremon | Linnak: packages are uploaded to debian stable by debian maintainers; few upstream programmers also maintain their package in debian. Packages migrate to testing after 10 days if there are no blocking bugs |
| 12:55.28 | tremon | err, debian unstable that is |
| 12:56.05 | Linnak | aha thanks |
| 12:57.50 | dinduks | Hi. I have a VPS with a "xen" kernel (2.6.32-5-xen-amd64) and I want to upgrade it. Is it okay if I install a "normal" kernel (let's say linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64)? |
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| 13:00.09 | tremon | dinduks: check the package description. The jessie kernel explicitly says "This kernel also runs on a Xen hypervisor" |
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| 13:01.37 | dinduks | I'll check that tremon, thanks |
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| 13:10.28 | techouse | there, rsnapshot all set up and running |
| 13:10.37 | techouse | #happyface |
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| 13:13.40 | gurke_ | hey i enabled only ssh login by key... i created a key on my osx and iam wondering how i should store the key onto my server without access :D |
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| 13:14.34 | schuschu- | nice gurke_ |
| 13:14.35 | schuschu- | :> |
| 13:14.39 | schuschu- | haste gut gemacht:D |
| 13:14.40 | gurke_ | hahaha |
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| 13:24.11 | tmh1999 | Hi guys, I am not sure this is a question related to GCC or Debian, so I just ask it here and I hope some one could help me :D I am using Debian Jessie amd64, and I have package gcc-4.9-base:i386 installed in my system. I did installed Skype sometime ago, and now I removed Skype and I want to remove it too. What I am wondering is gcc-4.9-base:i386 is installed by me when I install Skype or it came with the default installation. Thanks. |
| 13:24.26 | tmh1999 | and yes I did $ dpkg --add-architecture i386 before |
| 13:26.10 | jonny_ | maybe you do that as root |
| 13:26.12 | jonny_ | ' |
| 13:26.18 | jonny_ | ? |
| 13:27.19 | ompaul | eh skype is skype if it has a depend of it and it now requests it removes but you added it yourself earlier then skype is buggy |
| 13:27.36 | ompaul | cos that is not how it is supposed to work |
| 13:28.00 | themill | tmh1999: "aptitude why gcc-4.9-base:i386" will tell you if anything installed depends on that package. |
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| 13:39.25 | tmh1999 | themill: thank you :D |
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| 13:44.19 | doublehp | some UTF8 chars are not printed proerly in my web browser; which package do i need to install ? |
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| 14:05.57 | kqr | whenever I try to start a GTK application, I get "GLib-GIO-ERROR **: No GSettings schemas are installed on the system". internet suggests re-installing gsettings-desktop-schemas, which I have done to no avail. what is wrong with my system? |
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| 14:07.16 | mtn | kqr: which version of debian? |
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| 14:07.32 | kqr | jessie |
| 14:07.45 | mtn | kqr: which desktop has been installed, if any? |
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| 14:08.20 | kqr | I don't actually remember. it's possible I have installed gnome, but I'm not using it currently |
| 14:08.33 | kqr | yeah, gnome is installed but not being used normally |
| 14:08.38 | mtn | kqr: well, what are you using? |
| 14:08.54 | kqr | nothing pre-packaged |
| 14:09.06 | mtn | kqr: ok, it is a secret, I guess |
| 14:09.15 | kqr | I launch my window manager from .xsession file |
| 14:09.24 | kqr | which is run by the default login manager thing |
| 14:09.57 | kqr | (my window manager = xmonad) |
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| 14:13.25 | kqr | oh wow |
| 14:13.27 | kqr | I fixed it |
| 14:13.38 | kqr | apparently these programs didn't like that I had an environment variable set |
| 14:13.56 | kqr | XDG_DATA_DIRS |
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| 15:00.02 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 15:06.34 | tremon | anyone else have configuration issues with slim? I get "error processing package slim: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" on every apt-get run |
| 15:06.49 | tremon | the display manager itself works fine fafaict |
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| 15:09.33 | MyWay | hello, when is supposed jessie to become stable? |
| 15:09.42 | tremon | when it's ready |
| 15:09.57 | MyWay | ah, there is not a date |
| 15:10.11 | htqp | tremon: dpkg is saying there was another error, you want that error message |
| 15:10.21 | htqp | tremon: check /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 15:10.43 | tremon | htqp: there is no more output, see http://paste.debian.net/158694/ |
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| 15:11.30 | tremon | but I'm not sure how to read that output. It seems like either debconf itself is exiting with exit status 1, or it tries to re-exec the configure script |
| 15:12.06 | MyWay | thank you :) |
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| 15:20.48 | Shadow_7 | is jessie going to have a more current kernel when it's officially stable? |
| 15:21.01 | Shadow_7 | 3.19 fixes my touchpad on an hp stream 11 |
| 15:21.06 | tremon | no |
| 15:21.20 | tremon | jessie was frozen in november, so it will not get newer packages |
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| 15:22.00 | Shadow_7 | so I'll be rolling my own kernel for the next 4 years? |
| 15:22.16 | Shadow_7 | or will certain fixes get backported? |
| 15:22.45 | htqp | Shadow_7: you install kernel from backports, let's see if I can find the factoid |
| 15:23.03 | Shadow_7 | I don't actually use backports |
| 15:23.15 | Shadow_7 | I do the make-kpkg route |
| 15:23.19 | htqp | !tell Shadow_7 about bdo kernel |
| 15:23.24 | htqp | oh ok, sorry then |
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| 15:24.38 | Shadow_7 | it's just that the touchpad is quite unusable until 3.19. And various cpufreq inconsistencies with jessies default kernel |
| 15:24.42 | tremon | a newer kernel may appear in backports, but usually not until that kernel is in testing as well |
| 15:25.30 | Shadow_7 | but kind of expected since it's a fairly new device. albeit low spec'd |
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| 15:30.37 | tremon | ok, got it solved by adding set -x to the postinst script. The failing line was update-rc.d slim defaults $S $K >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 15:30.48 | tremon | many thanks to the >/dev/null there |
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| 15:38.05 | htqp | tremon: be aware that >/dev/null 2>&1 just hides the error, it is still printed internally |
| 15:38.22 | johndoe | is there a prepackage debian package for use with VirtualBox? |
| 15:38.41 | tremon | htqp: internally? you mean that there's a log file where I can find that error? |
| 15:39.19 | petn-randall | johndoe: What kind of package are you looking for? |
| 15:40.02 | htqp | tremon: the point of >/dev/null is (only) to suppress any messages, the script behavior is the same as before. |
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| 15:40.35 | johndoe | petn-randall: something i can just download and run it with virtualbox |
| 15:41.14 | petn-randall | johndoe: Do you mean a Debian image? |
| 15:41.15 | johndoe | petn-randall: what im asking actually is, whats the simplest way to start using debian as a guest OS inside VirtualBox |
| 15:41.17 | tremon | htqp: that was my point. Why suppress error messages that can cause failures four layers higher? |
| 15:41.18 | johndoe | yes |
| 15:41.31 | johndoe | sorry if i was being unclear |
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| 15:43.21 | petn-randall | johndoe: easiest way is to just download the netinstaller and install away. |
| 15:43.29 | htqp | tremon: failure information is transmitted via the script error code (1) |
| 15:43.46 | petn-randall | johndoe: to my knowledge there are no official images provided by Debian. |
| 15:43.48 | johndoe | thanks :) |
| 15:44.09 | tremon | htqp: it isn't. Quoting yourself: "dpkg is saying there was another error, you want that error message" |
| 15:44.09 | htqp | tremon: dpkg has a problem for a non-zero return status not for the error messages |
| 15:44.20 | tremon | Indeed, I want that error message, not just the exit status |
| 15:44.29 | htqp | facepalms |
| 15:44.32 | htqp | sorry I give up. |
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| 15:47.16 | tremon | htqp: here's the error that update-rc.d gave: "Service mythtv-backend has to be enabled to start service slim, exiting now!". Because of the 2>/dev/null in the postinst script, that error message was completely invisible. It took me 30 minutes to debug, instead of 30 seconds |
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| 15:47.58 | petn-randall | tremon: It's considered bad art to hide error messages, LART whoever wrote that script. :) |
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| 15:48.22 | tremon | petn-randall: working on it :) |
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| 15:51.21 | jhutchins | The idea is that by the time software reaches end users the errors aren't supposed to be there. |
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| 15:53.35 | gurke_ | hey... i have /var/www/website1 /var/www/website2... the nameserver is forwarding to the server ip... how iam able that when i visit website1.com that i get forward to /var/www/website1 and when visiting website2.com /var/www/website2? |
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| 15:54.00 | jhutchins | Frankly even people who can use IRC for support frequently post error messages that give explicit instructions and ask "what do I do". |
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| 15:54.33 | jhutchins | gurke_: That's configured in the web server. |
| 15:54.46 | gurke_ | jhutchins yea how is that possible in debian? |
| 15:54.48 | jhutchins | gurke_: In apache it's "named virtual hosts". |
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| 15:54.55 | gurke_ | ah |
| 15:54.59 | jhutchins | gurke_: Not debian specific. |
| 15:55.06 | gurke_ | sorry then |
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| 15:56.22 | jhutchins | gurke_: No problem, Debian does organize the configuration a bit differently. |
| 15:56.50 | teraflops | gurke_: something like that http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/virtualhosts.htm |
| 15:57.38 | jhutchins | gurke_: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.http-web-server.html https://wiki.debian.org/WebServers http://www.pontikis.net/blog/debian-wheezy-web-server-setup |
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| 15:57.48 | gurke_ | that looks good |
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| 16:02.23 | mumstheword | Hi all, I just installed Debian Jessie RC1, but Ctrl + A does not work for select all on any applications.... |
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| 16:03.29 | petn-randall | mumstheword: not every application has that implemented. |
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| 16:04.55 | mumstheword | petn-randall: Okay well in Pidgin, I have always had it working, but now it is not. |
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| 16:05.34 | Raazeer | hi all, if you had to chose in the current state, would you prefer to migrate a system all the way up to testing or all the way down to stable? |
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| 16:06.06 | mtn | Raazeer: you have a mixed system between stable and testing? |
| 16:06.14 | Raazeer | mtn, that I have. |
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| 16:06.26 | mtn | Raazeer: then testing is the only likely option |
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| 16:06.36 | Raazeer | been working nice, too, but now I'm trying to do some things that break the limits of the setup. |
| 16:06.46 | mtn | Raazeer: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 16:06.53 | Raazeer | mtn, I guess I could always downgrade what's too far ahead. |
| 16:07.02 | petn-randall | mumstheword: Does it work through the menu? |
| 16:07.03 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 16:07.03 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:07.13 | gurke_ | when apache2 is isntalled.. isnt there automatically a user called www-data? |
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| 16:09.02 | Raazeer | mtn, I guess a lot of that DontBreakDebian stuff makes sense, but "Don't make install" would put a rather harsh damper on my saturday night entertainment... |
| 16:09.05 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Mixing releases never was supported and never will be. If you need something newer in stable, the recommended way is to use wheezy-backports, and if the software isn't available, backport it yourself. |
| 16:10.00 | Raazeer | petn-randall, my system is configured to do just that, and try to fetch from testing only if I explicitly request it. Or so I thought. |
| 16:10.14 | petn-randall | Raazeer: The best practice is to use stow or something similar instead of 'make install', so you can actually track changes by that command. |
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| 16:10.35 | jelly | and/or separate prefixes for each app |
| 16:10.40 | petn-randall | Raazeer: Well even that is not supported. There is zero guarantees that a package from testing runs on stable. |
| 16:10.45 | Raazeer | petn-randal, I'm not familiar with stow except in the git context, got any linkies? |
| 16:10.50 | jelly | !stow |
| 16:10.51 | dpkg | from memory, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
| 16:11.26 | Raazeer | petn-randall, it's not like I'm complaining or filing a warranty case, I just tried something and it finally came home to roost. |
| 16:11.32 | petn-randall | jelly: There are badly written Makefiles that happily ignore the prefix. |
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| 16:11.48 | Raazeer | by the way, it's been working nice for going on five years now. |
| 16:12.02 | petn-randall | Raazeer: I recommend upgrading to jessie. It's pretty stable now, and definitely usable for the desktop. |
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| 16:12.06 | jelly | petn-randall: of course there are. That's why -n exists |
| 16:12.22 | mumstheword | petn-randall: I do not see ´select all´ in any Pidgin drop-down menu |
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| 16:12.53 | mumstheword | petn-randall: Found it in the context menu, and yes it works |
| 16:13.21 | Raazeer | petn-randall, that stow looks like nifty stuff, definitely going to try that, after I bring the system up to jessie. |
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| 16:15.38 | jr_ | debian should become easier to use |
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| 16:16.12 | petn-randall | mumstheword: Newer releases let you define shortcuts by hovering over the menu item and pressing the keyboard combination. At least that works for the newer GTK releases. |
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| 16:16.43 | petn-randall | jr_: Feel free to improve the usability by filing bug reports and working on them. |
| 16:17.51 | psayian | I have screwed up my /boot. I was moved /boot to /boot.bak and forgot to change it back before I rebooted. In the grub rescue prompt I managed to get it to boot but it only loads up to initramfs. When i run blkid the device drivers show /md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2. In the initramfs i ran df -h and it shows only / which is the root filesystem I understand. However, when I try to mount /dev/md0 it doesn't allow it. I wa |
| 16:17.55 | psayian | device operating in read only mode. |
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| 16:20.05 | fortress__ | hello, i'm installing debian Jessie on an ultrasparc (64-bit sparc). i'm using the netinstall iso, and i'm getting an "architecture not supported" when choosing a network mirror. |
| 16:20.15 | fortress__ | i've tried using the debian.org mirror to no avail |
| 16:20.20 | mumstheword | Also in Firefox Ctrl+A does not work either... |
| 16:20.28 | mumstheword | That is 100x more annoying than Pidgin |
| 16:20.33 | fortress__ | is there a special network mirror to use for Jessie sparc ? |
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| 16:23.15 | fortress__ | i just read that sparc support was removed from Jessie last April |
| 16:23.20 | fortress__ | nevermind. :) |
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| 16:32.40 | gurke_ | how do i echo the current right for a folder? |
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| 16:33.57 | centrx | gurke_, ls -l ? |
| 16:34.34 | centrx | fortress__, It's still in unstable |
| 16:35.25 | gurke_ | hmm i want to save stuff under www |
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| 16:35.33 | gurke_ | but iam not able to :D |
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| 16:38.03 | petn-randall | mumstheword: I can't help you with that one. It works fine on my machine. |
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| 16:39.31 | srg | All of a sudden I'm getting a lot of updates for my Jessie system. Is it unfrozen or something now? |
| 16:40.10 | petn-randall | srg: Nope, been pretty quiet the last few weeks. |
| 16:40.31 | somiaj | gurke_: change the permissions of www to allow you to save stuff. Usually this is done by setting a sticky bit and using 775 permisions on the directoires with the correct group. |
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| 16:40.52 | somiaj | srg: bug fixes are slowing being put into jessie, if it has been a while you will see lots of updates. |
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| 16:43.55 | polyphagia | what service keeps resetting my resolv.conf? |
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| 16:44.13 | verri | polyphagia: dhcp daemon? |
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| 16:44.25 | polyphagia | what can i do to change my DNS? |
| 16:44.26 | jelly | polyphagia: "resolvconf" |
| 16:44.31 | polyphagia | i don't have resolvconf installed |
| 16:44.39 | jelly | that's unusual |
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| 16:44.54 | polyphagia | apparently it's not installed by default |
| 16:44.57 | jelly | polyphagia: which debian release is this? |
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| 16:45.04 | polyphagia | wheezy |
| 16:45.10 | polyphagia | is it different on jessie too? |
| 16:45.34 | Shadow_7 | dhcp normally resets it... you can chmod it to read only and avoid some of that |
| 16:45.39 | jelly | I don't think so, but it ought to be there |
| 16:46.16 | jelly | slightly surprised there are still services that mess with resolv.conf on their own |
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| 16:46.36 | polyphagia | kk one sec |
| 16:46.53 | polyphagia | i think dhclient.conf is what i want then |
| 16:47.02 | jelly | !override dns |
| 16:47.02 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
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| 16:49.05 | polyphagia | great |
| 16:49.40 | polyphagia | jelly: which service can i restart for those changes to take effect? |
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| 16:50.03 | srg | I started using NetworkManager to handle all that |
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| 16:50.13 | jelly | polyphagia: presumably whatever started dhclient |
| 16:50.19 | srg | I gave up using cli because I had an enterprise WPA network that I couldn't connect to using cli |
| 16:50.36 | Shadow_7 | I tend to do networking manually as I don't want it up and configured when I boot |
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| 16:51.09 | srg | You can set NetworkManager not to do anything automatically |
| 16:51.21 | srg | It took me a while to finally decide to use it, so I understand where you're coming from |
| 16:51.32 | Shadow_7 | plus flakey wifi chipsets that don't play well with networkmanager and wm's that don't have access to networkmanager |
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| 16:51.53 | srg | It actually took my fellow students to harass me enough about using a WM that looks like I'm from 1990 lol |
| 16:52.06 | polyphagia | ratpoison <3 |
| 16:52.20 | Shadow_7 | I made custom fonts so my terminal looks like it's from 1980 |
| 16:52.23 | jhutchins | Shadow_7: NetworkManager has a CLI interface. |
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| 16:53.45 | Shadow_7 | mostly I don't like all the extras that networkmanager grabs from a minimal debootstrap install |
| 16:54.00 | Shadow_7 | does it grab gdm as well? been a while |
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| 16:55.17 | rmariotti | i'm having trubles in writing usb drive from non-root user. If i use the root user everything is fine but when i try whith normal user the output is "operation not permitted" even after chmod 777 on a file. I also can't change the owner of files. |
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| 16:56.37 | jhutchins | rmariotti: What filesystem? |
| 16:56.50 | rmariotti | vfat |
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| 16:57.58 | jhutchins | rmariotti: It's really stupid, and I don't know why it hasn't been addressed, but the drive mounts read-only for normal users. One method of overcoming it is to create an entry in fstab to mount it user writable. |
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| 16:59.43 | rmariotti | jhutchins: But i'm able to make changes as normal user on my second debian machine. |
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| 17:01.46 | bller | thats better |
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| 17:02.11 | Shadow_7 | The user who mounts the drive has access normally. Although there needs to be an fstab entry for a user other than root to mount it |
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| 17:04.08 | Snaggle | I know Debian policy is not to allow pkgs to use any 3rd party libraries that upstream includes in its source but instead to use the Debian provided library. I've browsed through the Policy Manual, but have not been able to find that section. Any hints to the written location? |
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| 17:08.11 | petn-randall | Snaggle: I don't know the answer, but #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be able to help you. |
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| 17:11.55 | jr_ | hi |
| 17:11.57 | jr_ | one question |
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| 17:15.10 | centrx | !ask |
| 17:15.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:15.42 | jr_ | ok |
| 17:15.57 | jr_ | what is the best client to do remote desktop onto a windows pc? |
| 17:16.01 | jr_ | i dont like Remmina |
| 17:16.02 | Snaggle | petn-randall: section 4.13. thanks! |
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| 17:16.23 | valdyn | jr_: grdesktop |
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| 17:16.43 | jr_ | is its interface any good? |
| 17:16.45 | valdyn | jr_: or vinagre |
| 17:16.52 | valdyn | jr_: that is up to you to decide |
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| 17:16.53 | jr_ | vinagre wont connect me |
| 17:17.08 | jr_ | remmina did connect me but i dont like it |
| 17:17.12 | jr_ | vinagre wont connect me |
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| 17:17.56 | centrx | jr_, there's also rdesktop, gnome-rdp, and freerdp |
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| 17:18.18 | petn-randall | !tell jr_ -about doesnt work |
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| 17:18.47 | rmariotti | Shadow_7: Thanks i solved the problem. |
| 17:19.05 | jr_ | ok |
| 17:19.12 | jr_ | i will try all those i guess until i find one i like |
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| 17:52.13 | photographer | how to on boot time start application without using chkconfig |
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| 17:52.29 | photographer | in rc.local? |
| 17:52.32 | photographer | or where |
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| 17:53.22 | mjt | hello. How to tell grub to boot into a given menu entry just once? |
| 17:53.25 | photographer | i would like to start krfb |
| 17:53.53 | photographer | automatically at boot time |
| 17:54.07 | photographer | and to try other things |
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| 17:59.23 | tmh1999 | Hi guys, my question does not relate to Debian but to Linux but I hope some guru in here could help me. I have a dynamic library .so file and I want to know what version of it. I did try googling but no help. Thanks. |
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| 18:23.42 | Gatis | Freedom! |
| 18:24.04 | Gatis | Vote for Rand Paul for President of USA and save America and world! |
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| 18:25.30 | Gatis | Don't allow AMerica to go to war with Russia. |
| 18:25.35 | Gatis | It's duty of every american. |
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| 18:26.22 | centrx | Hold on, let me write this down |
| 18:27.06 | Gatis | I just watched video of 80's America. |
| 18:27.17 | Gatis | It's day versus night today |
| 18:27.28 | Gatis | America is so corrupted |
| 18:27.38 | Raazeer | Gatis, wut? |
| 18:27.38 | Gatis | It makes me cry |
| 18:27.46 | Gatis | It breakes my heart |
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| 18:27.54 | Gatis | What is happening to this beautiful country America |
| 18:28.07 | Gatis | I'm not even american |
| 18:28.15 | Raazeer | Gatis, beautiful country America? Where? Where? |
| 18:28.20 | jr_ | sup |
| 18:28.23 | Gatis | America was so beautiful |
| 18:28.31 | Raazeer | Gatis, when? |
| 18:28.32 | Gatis | paradise |
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| 18:28.39 | Gatis | years years ago |
| 18:28.51 | Gatis | Today AMerica makes me cry and weep |
| 18:28.51 | jr_ | l |
| 18:29.01 | Raazeer | Gatis, must have been before the advent of man. |
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| 18:29.09 | jr_ | where are you from Gatis? |
| 18:29.15 | Gatis | Why americans don't stand up and vote for Rand Paul or ROn Paul for president? |
| 18:29.19 | Gatis | Obama is clear dictator |
| 18:29.24 | Gatis | I'm from Latvia |
| 18:29.31 | jr_ | Repubicans are racist. |
| 18:29.44 | towo` | and all that has what to do with debian? |
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| 18:29.47 | jr_ | if you are not old, white and rich, republicans hate you. |
| 18:29.49 | Gatis | IT's not about republicans or democrats |
| 18:29.52 | Gatis | It's about good people |
| 18:30.01 | Raazeer | But as some wise man once joked: Earth comes to Mars and complains it's got a bad case of Homo Sapiens. Know what Mars answers? "Don't worry, it'll pass" |
| 18:30.06 | idioterna | ron paul isn't good people |
| 18:30.13 | jr_ | obama is a bad president but i like him more than romney. |
| 18:30.20 | Gatis | Ron Paul is great president |
| 18:30.24 | Gatis | Best |
| 18:30.27 | idioterna | wrong |
| 18:30.31 | jr_ | Ron Paul was racist. |
| 18:30.38 | idioterna | he thinks america should isolate from the outside world |
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| 18:30.44 | Gatis | contiue like this and America will be even worse |
| 18:30.45 | Gatis | .. |
| 18:30.48 | idioterna | which would make it a lot like russia in the 90s |
| 18:30.50 | valdyn | guys, please stop |
| 18:30.53 | centrx | !offtopic |
| 18:30.53 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:30.54 | Gatis | WHy you voted for Obama? |
| 18:30.58 | Gatis | I don't understand |
| 18:31.03 | idioterna | let's not go further |
| 18:31.15 | Raazeer | 'Murica. |
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| 18:31.22 | jr_ | well i voted for Obama because Romney did not pay his taxes and he was RACIST, |
| 18:31.26 | idioterna | Gatis: if you want to discuss, let's go to debian-offtopic. |
| 18:31.37 | Gatis | Why USA comes to Latvia teach latvians how to live with their failed goverment? Do they think USA failed goverment at home will be successful goverment abroad? Where is the logic? |
| 18:31.48 | idioterna | you're not listening. |
| 18:31.58 | Gatis | And why americans allow America go down so madly? |
| 18:32.00 | valdyn | !ops please fix this offtopic spam |
| 18:32.00 | Raazeer | Gatis, I think the next people coming to Latvia won't be the Americans... |
| 18:32.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: valdyn complains about: please fix this offtopic spam |
| 18:32.02 | idioterna | we're making it harder for people to ask about debian. |
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| 18:32.10 | Gatis | You are so delusioal |
| 18:32.15 | Gatis | russias won't come to Latvia |
| 18:32.17 | jr_ | See Gatis, thats YOUR opinion |
| 18:32.21 | jr_ | not everyone thinks like that. |
| 18:32.27 | idioterna | Gatis: please, join #debian-offtopic and we can discuss this further |
| 18:32.29 | Gatis | russians are our neighbours and they are good business partners, etc. |
| 18:32.36 | Gatis | USA aare fear mongering you |
| 18:32.37 | idioterna | otherwise we'll have to end it here |
| 18:32.49 | Gatis | USA tryig to make World war and americans want it? |
| 18:32.52 | jr_ | so you tell me that russians are better than americans? |
| 18:33.01 | Gatis | at thsi point yes |
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| 18:33.07 | Gatis | russians don't push their will to us |
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| 18:33.15 | Gatis | And they always will be our neighbours |
| 18:33.18 | Raazeer | Gatis, over to #debian-offtopic with you and I'll give you a piece off my mind you won't forget in a hurry. |
| 18:33.45 | Gatis | we have businesses with Russia. We can't be successful without Russia. USA is destroying Latvia economy now |
| 18:33.47 | ctmjr | please ingore the troll and let ops deal with it |
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| 18:33.54 | jr_ | yeah go ahead |
| 18:33.59 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 18:33.59 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:34.02 | jr_ | you just proved yourself you dont have a brain |
| 18:34.07 | jr_ | russians are communist. |
| 18:34.13 | Gatis | no they are not |
| 18:34.23 | valdyn | jr_: you're 20 years late |
| 18:34.24 | Gatis | russians are good business people. russians help Latvia economy |
| 18:34.32 | Raazeer | jr_, Gatis, get your sorry backsides to #debian-offtopic, I want to rant at you guys. |
| 18:34.33 | Gatis | russians help a lot |
| 18:34.35 | petn-randall | Gatis, jr_, please take such discussion elsewhere. This is a support channel. |
| 18:34.38 | jr_ | So, how is usa destroying latvia? |
| 18:34.39 | Gatis | Latvia is not Latvia without Russia |
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| 18:34.49 | centrx | Just shut up |
| 18:34.51 | centrx | Don't waste what little time you have left before the nuclear war |
| 18:35.02 | jr_ | So, how is usa destroying latvia? |
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| 18:35.14 | Gatis | USA is destroyuing Latvia ecconomoy with sanctions against Russia. Latvia is loosing jobs businesses, economy going down. |
| 18:35.26 | valdyn | Gatis: can you please stop this |
| 18:35.26 | Gatis | Everyone is angry |
| 18:35.32 | Gatis | USA has gone too far |
| 18:35.41 | Gatis | With their failed foreign policies |
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| 18:35.44 | Shadow_7 | cause of the price of gas. Mostly OPEC on that one. But *sigh* |
| 18:35.45 | Gatis | pissing everyone off |
| 18:35.48 | Raazeer | You know, it's not easy to follow the rules if people give you such wonderful opportunities to rant... |
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| 18:36.06 | petn-randall | !ops Gatis, jr_ have been offtopic, don't want to go elsewhere. |
| 18:36.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: Gatis, jr_ have been offtopic, don't want to go elsewhere. |
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| 18:36.22 | Gatis | USA is broke, their goverment is failed. Get out of my country |
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| 18:36.34 | Gatis | And leave Russia alone |
| 18:36.36 | jr_ | lol |
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| 18:36.43 | jr_ | then find a better business partner. |
| 18:36.43 | Raazeer | Maybe just one small one: Gatis, jr_ If you stick Russia and 'Murica in a sack and beat it until there isn't a stick left in the world, you wouldn't hit anybody too often. |
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| 18:36.52 | jr_ | ask Latvia to find a better business partner. |
| 18:37.00 | Gatis | Russia to Latvia is best business partner |
| 18:37.04 | Gatis | Always will be |
| 18:37.06 | petn-randall | jr_, Gatis, Raazeer, do you have a support question? |
| 18:37.09 | jr_ | but russia is not good to us. |
| 18:37.12 | jr_ | so Russia must go |
| 18:37.14 | jr_ | :-D |
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| 18:37.23 | Gatis | Get out of Europe |
| 18:37.27 | Gatis | with 900 bases |
| 18:37.28 | idioterna | Gatis: hey! |
| 18:37.30 | Raazeer | petn-randall, I'm trying to stay out of this, but it's so enticing... |
| 18:37.32 | idioterna | do you want to talk about this? |
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| 18:37.41 | Gatis | Sick and tired of USA dictator |
| 18:37.42 | tsoutseki__ | Gatis, go in /r/geopolitics or /r/politics |
| 18:37.48 | petn-randall | jr_, Gatis, Raazeer, because if you don't, keep the channel clear for support. |
| 18:37.58 | valdyn | this isnt politics, this is idiocy, can ops please stop it |
| 18:37.59 | jr_ | lol and Cuba became communist tahnks to rusia |
| 18:38.10 | jr_ | So, who cares about russia? |
| 18:38.16 | jr_ | P"utin must go. |
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| 18:38.22 | idioterna | jr_: can you please not encourage him? |
| 18:38.28 | Gatis | I think sooon whole world will go against USA |
| 18:38.34 | idioterna | make him go to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:38.37 | idioterna | i can talk to him there |
| 18:38.50 | centrx | jr_, You have to draw him away, like a wild bull |
| 18:39.02 | jr_ | lol |
| 18:39.11 | jr_ | man, poor guy. |
| 18:39.20 | Raazeer | idioterna, centrx thats something the creators of IRC missed, a /dragkickingandscreaming command... |
| 18:39.26 | Gatis | You know how beautiful and nice Iraq was before USA invasion? |
| 18:39.35 | petn-randall | Gatis: stop it |
| 18:39.37 | Gatis | People smiling doing businesses |
| 18:39.44 | Gatis | USA pissing off whole wolrd |
| 18:39.54 | petn-randall | !ops please kick Gatis |
| 18:39.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: please kick Gatis |
| 18:40.07 | Gatis | THe biggest mistake USA did was pissing off Russia |
| 18:40.11 | jr_ | And you know how beautiful Cuba was before Russia invasion? |
| 18:40.32 | Gatis | No i dont |
| 18:40.51 | jr_ | there you go |
| 18:41.01 | jr_ | I dont know and I dont care how beautiful Iraq was. |
| 18:41.02 | petn-randall | !ops please kick and ban Gatis, jr_ |
| 18:41.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: please kick and ban Gatis, jr_ |
| 18:41.04 | valdyn | thats probably because there never was a russian invasion |
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| 18:41.51 | jr_ | Ask any russian if they would like to come to America. |
| 18:42.03 | jr_ | and ask any American if he would like to come to Russia. |
| 18:42.23 | thomas | Gatis: please knock it off |
| 18:42.29 | thomas | jr_: please knock it off |
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| 18:46.06 | jr_ | man, debian should be easier to use. |
| 18:46.47 | petn-randall | jr_: don't repeat yourself. |
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| 18:52.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 18:52.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | what the dpkg command to make sure all of my packages are setup properly after a download and install? its used when you stop in the middle of an apt/aptitude install |
| 18:52.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | dpg --configure -all? |
| 18:52.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | dpkg --configure -all? |
| 18:52.51 | dpkg | Eryn_1983_FL: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:54.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | dpkg dpkg --configure |
| 18:54.51 | dpkg | Eryn_1983_FL: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:54.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 18:57.01 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: Yes, it's dpkg --configure --all, you guessed correctly! |
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| 19:00.16 | deepblue | how to get firefox to work faster as running transmision in the same time?i increased the RAM size but it doesn't seem to solve the problem |
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| 19:01.52 | jhutchins | deepblue: They're probably contending for network bandwidth. |
| 19:02.08 | bazhang | deepblue, stopper up the transmission uprate |
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| 19:02.32 | bazhang | deepblue, whats your connection upload rate |
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| 19:02.55 | deepblue | jhutchins: the transmission performane got much better after upgrading the RAM |
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| 19:03.44 | deepblue | it bever exeeded 60 kb.s ,at the moment reached 250 |
| 19:03.45 | jhutchins | deepblue: You said that didn't solve the problem. |
| 19:04.18 | bazhang | deepblue, total net rate not transmission |
| 19:04.19 | deepblue | i mean from the firefox side |
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| 19:04.48 | dashs | I'd like to make one tmpfs available to multiple users -- ideally each has a subdirectory to themselves. I want it mounted to /home/username/.cache for eac. Any clues? |
| 19:05.16 | bazhang | ,v iceweasel |
| 19:05.17 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.4.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.5.0esr-1; experimental: 36.0-2 |
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| 19:15.51 | kellnola | does anyone use debian with aws? I am have crazy issues getting wheezy to get it to work at all |
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| 19:16.40 | kellnola | on ami ami-e0efab88, which is official debian, afik |
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| 19:18.50 | kellnola | I've tried yaml, which produces nothing but stack traces in cloud-init.log, and #!/bin/sh, which doesn't even run at all |
| 19:19.44 | petn-randall | kellnola: What are the actual issues you are getting/ |
| 19:19.46 | petn-randall | ? |
| 19:20.17 | kellnola | with, yaml, it fails on every single item with a stack trace, shell does not run |
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| 19:22.06 | kellnola | oh. it looks like I have to make my own image first, and install some packages on it. |
| 19:22.13 | UltimateNate | Why does debian keep locking up. |
| 19:22.22 | UltimateNate | Usually it can be when it's not in used. |
| 19:22.27 | UltimateNate | Or even sometimes, When it is being used. |
| 19:22.40 | kellnola | sounds like hardware, UltimateNate |
| 19:22.43 | UltimateNate | And I can't really find an answer. |
| 19:22.53 | UltimateNate | kellnola: Doesn't seem to be. |
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| 19:23.15 | UltimateNate | Maybe debian is corrupted? |
| 19:23.19 | kellnola | what are you running? stable, testing, what? |
| 19:23.25 | UltimateNate | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.29 | UltimateNate | 7.8 |
| 19:23.31 | UltimateNate | wheezy |
| 19:23.33 | UltimateNate | I think |
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| 19:23.53 | kellnola | does dmesg say anything? have you looked at /var/log/syslog ? |
| 19:24.06 | UltimateNate | I tried looking at that. |
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| 19:24.25 | UltimateNate | But the actual errors dissapears with other logs. |
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| 19:25.18 | petn-randall | kellnola: What do you mean with YAML? |
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| 19:26.39 | kellnola | https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Wheezy#UserDataExamples |
| 19:26.43 | kellnola | petn-randall, |
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| 19:31.32 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 19:32.00 | Azrael_- | how can i start a network interface which is set up in /etc/network/interfaces without restarting the machine? |
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| 19:32.26 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: /etc/init.d/network start |
| 19:32.49 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: and what if i want to start/stop a specific interface? |
| 19:33.16 | jhutchins | I believe the current method is to use ip up|down <iface> |
| 19:33.23 | Azrael_- | ok, thanks |
| 19:33.33 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Older method is ifconfig eth0 up|down |
| 19:33.55 | Azrael_- | thanks, testing |
| 19:34.28 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: If you bring it up manually, you'd need to start dhclient manually as well (assuming you use it). |
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| 19:35.45 | Azrael_- | not needed but thanks. it's currently a little bit weird. added a bridge, started it, starting-script said it failed but the bridge seems to be set up just fine |
| 19:36.02 | petn-randall | jhutchins: "older method"? That's a level lower, it doesn't have anything to do with /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 19:40.37 | jhutchins | petn-randall: ifconfig will pick up the settings in interfaces |
| 19:40.55 | jhutchins | petn-randall: I think it will, it's been a while since I messed with it on debian. |
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| 19:41.48 | jhutchins | petn-randall: Does ip up|down pick up the settings? |
| 19:41.53 | petn-randall | jhutchins: Pretty sure it doesn't. That's ifup/ifdown what you're thinking about. ifconfig has been deprecated for a while now, and is being replace by 'ip'. |
| 19:42.06 | petn-randall | jhutchins: ifconfig is what ifup/ifdown calls in the end. |
| 19:42.21 | petn-randall | jhutchins: I don't know if newer releases use 'ip'. |
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| 19:42.42 | jhutchins | petn-randall: It does get confusing. systemd will probably take it all over. |
| 19:43.16 | jhutchins | i thought ifup called ip. |
| 19:44.09 | valdyn | it uses both |
| 19:44.15 | valdyn | mainly ip |
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| 19:47.53 | jhutchins | spends some quality time with the man pages. |
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| 19:52.05 | rsully | I'm having problems with mounting an NFS share. Reading works, writing gives permission denied. |
| 19:52.06 | petn-randall | jhutchins: Always a good investment. I always see a collegue of mine google his problems instead of checking the man pages. |
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| 19:53.28 | desrt | petn-randall: works well when google finds a copy of the manpage ;) |
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| 20:00.48 | UltimateNate | Debian tried to lockup but luckly, It wasn't permanent-till-shutdown. https://meldy.hira.io/Zerobin/?be498b3a63aaf441#kXwRN+xKobC3emsaYcp360L9d0sL4w5TIbxbnVxXxxI= |
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| 20:02.35 | mjt | so guys, what's the way to tell grub to boot (just once) using a given kernel? |
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| 20:04.02 | jhutchins | !nfs |
| 20:04.03 | dpkg | Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol developed by Sun Microsystems. To set up and secure, read the Linux NFS-HOWTO at http://nfs.sf.net/nfs-howto/ . For notes on NFSv4 in Debian, see /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4. Mailing list: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-nfs . http://wiki.debian.org/NFS http://nfs.sf.net/ #linux-nfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:04.04 | petn-randall | desrt: If it by chance happens to correspond to the version you have installed, you are lucky. |
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| 20:05.32 | petn-randall | mjt: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110454/make-grub2-boot-into-windows-old-kernel-once |
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| 20:05.58 | mjt | petn-randall: I've seen that, but unfortunately it doesn't work |
| 20:06.03 | UltimateNate | Hello? |
| 20:06.06 | UltimateNate | Can anyone help me? |
| 20:06.13 | mjt | petn-randall: the prob is that another kernel is in a submenu which is not numbered |
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| 20:06.50 | mjt | petn-randall: but.. startupmanager might help.... |
| 20:07.04 | jhutchins | mjt: So edit the live boot command to point to the old kernel. |
| 20:07.17 | mjt | jhutchins: I'd love to but the system is remote |
| 20:07.47 | petn-randall | UltimateNate: What is your problem, what are the symptoms you see? |
| 20:08.05 | UltimateNate | <UltimateNate> Debian tried to lockup but luckly, It wasn't permanent-till-shutdown. https://meldy.hira.io/Zerobin/?be498b3a63aaf441#kXwRN+xKobC3emsaYcp360L9d0sL4w5TIbxbnVxXxxI= |
| 20:08.08 | jhutchins | mjt: Sounds like you need lilo. |
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| 20:08.14 | UltimateNate | Just lockups |
| 20:08.19 | petn-randall | UltimateNate: I saw that, but you didn't explain anything. |
| 20:08.32 | UltimateNate | Did you click the link? |
| 20:08.33 | mjt | jhutchins: I always used syslinux but this is efi system and syslinux does not work well there |
| 20:08.34 | petn-randall | UltimateNate: So the system freezes? Do you get a blank screen? |
| 20:08.39 | UltimateNate | no |
| 20:08.57 | UltimateNate | only thing i can do is move my mouse cursor |
| 20:09.02 | UltimateNate | But i can't click on anything |
| 20:09.10 | UltimateNate | I can't do anything, I can't even access TTY |
| 20:09.31 | petn-randall | UltimateNate: I see. Which release are you running? |
| 20:09.35 | UltimateNate | 7.8 |
| 20:09.48 | petn-randall | UltimateNate: What kind of GPU is that? |
| 20:09.53 | UltimateNate | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.03 | jhutchins | mjt: You can edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg - I believe that's still the actual control file. |
| 20:10.17 | petn-randall | UltimateNate: That's useless information: VGA: Intel Corporation |
| 20:10.17 | UltimateNate | I'm running a really old computer |
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| 20:10.38 | UltimateNate | Like manufactured probably around the 90s to 2002 |
| 20:10.42 | UltimateNate | Somewhere that time period. |
| 20:11.13 | UltimateNate | I'm not sure how to check |
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| 20:11.29 | UltimateNate | nvm |
| 20:11.42 | petn-randall | UltimateNate: I see. In that case I don't really know what to do. You could try with a newer kernel from wheezy-backports if the problem goes away. |
| 20:12.08 | UltimateNate | Intel® 845G x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 20:12.52 | UltimateNate | How do i update my kernel? |
| 20:12.58 | UltimateNate | I never updated a kernel before. |
| 20:13.21 | jhutchins | !backports |
| 20:13.22 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 20:13.33 | UltimateNate | I already use backports |
| 20:13.34 | UltimateNate | I think. |
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| 20:19.36 | rawfodog | Hi |
| 20:20.04 | rawfodog | Im trying to compile something but get this when I run configure ... "We could not find the kernel development environment to build the driver. |
| 20:20.07 | rawfodog | Please install the kernel source or the kernel development package and try again" |
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| 20:22.31 | x86iac | rawfodog: did you do that? |
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| 20:25.35 | rawfodog | I cant install the packag I cant find it |
| 20:25.49 | rawfodog | x86iac, I tried a few ways from google but It didnt work |
| 20:25.52 | rawfodog | Im running wheezy |
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| 20:26.01 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 20:26.32 | rawfodog | so I guess the question is, what is the kernel development package called in whezy ? |
| 20:26.51 | wuffi600 | are there any projects like "debian for smartphone"? |
| 20:27.01 | cwillu_at_work | linux-image-4.0-dev or some such I believe |
| 20:27.13 | wuffi600 | i mean not installing debian with android. |
| 20:27.18 | x86iac | rawfodog: domething like apt-get install linux-source |
| 20:27.40 | rawfodog | ive been trying a lot of somethings ;) |
| 20:28.39 | rawfodog | ote, selecting 'linux-libc-dev' instead of 'linux-kernel-headers' |
| 20:28.39 | rawfodog | linux-libc-dev is already the newest version. |
| 20:28.39 | rawfodog | linux-libc-dev set to manually installed. |
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| 20:31.06 | x86iac | do you have the g++ installed? |
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| 20:32.06 | rawfodog | not sure one sec |
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| 20:33.41 | rawfodog | x86iac, yes it is |
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| 20:34.00 | x86iac | it should have installed the linux-libc-dev |
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| 20:35.21 | rawfodog | Ill copy the entire output and paste it for you, one sec |
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| 20:36.26 | rawfodog | x86iac, http://paste.debian.net/158779/ |
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| 20:50.15 | shay_shay | x86iac: yes |
| 20:50.40 | x86iac | shay_shay: ? |
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| 20:54.28 | shay_shay | yes install headers for your architecture |
| 20:55.32 | x86iac | cat shay_shay >> rawfodog |
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| 20:59.08 | rawfodog | x86iac, I got it working :) |
| 20:59.18 | rawfodog | I used synatptic mnager gui to find the missing things |
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| 20:59.39 | rawfodog | thaks for the help |
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| 21:03.21 | x86iac | :) |
| 21:03.29 | jhutchins | !build-essential |
| 21:03.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>. |
| 21:03.50 | jhutchins | !build-dep |
| 21:03.51 | dpkg | build-deps are the packages you need to compile a package. "aptitude build-dep package-you-want-to-build" will install them, or use mk-build-deps (equivs package) to have undo-able build-dep installation. If using <uupdate> or <ssb> to update a package, you will likely need additional -dev packages. You can «/msg judd builddeps package». |
| 21:04.17 | jhutchins | rawfodog: For next time. Build-essential installs several kitchen sinks. |
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| 21:43.01 | brendafdez | Hi guys, I', a debian newbie, I'm not sure about the Testing branch, how it works. For instance, if I install Testing now, when debian 8 becomes stable will I be on stable, or I'll be geting updates for the next stable, ie. Debian 9, coming from Sid? |
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| 21:44.20 | teoma | Hello! I've tried several ways to set up a NVIDIA card and now they may be conflicting -- how could I start from scratch? |
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| 21:45.29 | bzed | brendafdez: just install jessie with the jessie installer beta and you'll stick with jessie |
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| 21:54.13 | brendafdez | bzed thanks! :) However, if I want to keep more current software and stay on testing that wuld be easy to do, right? I look at current debian stable still using Gnome 3.4 by default and it looks scary. Coming from the Arch world, wheere everything is bleeding edge through user repositories :d |
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| 22:03.27 | lasers | Question about youtube-dl on wheezy machine. It's not available. It's available on squeeze-backports,jessie, or sid. What's the reason for not having wheezy,wheezy-backports? |
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| 22:06.04 | _2_brooke | sex |
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| 22:07.58 | _2_brooke | hello |
| 22:08.55 | x86iac | lasers: just download it directly it isn't a compiled program |
| 22:09.15 | teoma | I've done "apt-get remove --purge 'nvidia*'" but some files like "/usr/lib32/libnvidia-ml.so.1" and "/usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig" remain -- how would I remove everything? |
| 22:09.49 | x86iac | apt-get autoremove ? |
| 22:10.04 | srg | Hey guys. I have a file that is a filesystem (I can mount it via `mount -t ext4 filearchive /mnt/test`) and I'm trying to fsck it but can't figure out the proper syntax. |
| 22:10.08 | x86iac | or delete them manual - nothing is perfect |
| 22:10.13 | _2_brooke | hello |
| 22:10.58 | teoma | x86iac: thanks, but that doesn't do it, unfortunately. |
| 22:11.11 | x86iac | srg: just fsck the mount point you mounted it on |
| 22:11.46 | x86iac | try fsck -C /mnt/test |
| 22:11.59 | srg | x86iac: Hm, I tried that, I probably got the syntax wrong though. Let me try it. |
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| 22:12.19 | x86iac | you don't want to fsck a mounted file system .. btw |
| 22:12.40 | srg | x86iac: ah yeah. how can I fsck it when it's unmounted? |
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| 22:13.05 | x86iac | it is a file now - fsck the partition where it came from |
| 22:13.37 | x86iac | hey sexy _KaszpiR_ |
| 22:13.52 | x86iac | i guess _2boork left |
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| 22:37.18 | stevenjames | i installed Musix. after installing the b43 firmware and moving all of the ******5.fw files into /lib/firmware/b43-open it now registers the wireless but under connections says "device not ready" |
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| 22:39.40 | peterrooney | !based on debian |
| 22:39.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 22:41.19 | stevenjames | i understand that. there is a Knoppix channel with 4 people in space mode, but there is no Musix channel. can you refer me to a channel? |
| 22:44.04 | x86iac | stevenjames: change your nick and come back but don't mention musix - i have install the b43 and it requires tender care |
| 22:44.04 | peterrooney | stevenjames: it looks like #musix exists |
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| 22:44.47 | stevenjames | x86iac hahaha ok ok and yes it does exist. with myself and chanserv |
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| 22:45.48 | x86iac | i had to do it manually with wpa_supplicant |
| 22:45.54 | stevenjames | x86iac if you have then installed it then please share. i did all of the upate, non-free, broadcom-sta |
| 22:46.03 | stevenjames | ok i'll try that, thanks |
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| 22:46.34 | x86iac | check lsmod to make sure the module is loaded |
| 22:48.34 | _KaszpiR_ | x86iac ? |
| 22:49.12 | x86iac | _KaszpiR_: glad you are awake |
| 22:49.45 | x86iac | we need you to help with these crazy questions ;) |
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