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| 00:01.31 | Dagger | ah, yeah, modern versions of openwrt use odhcpd (which is a combined DHCPv4/v6/RA/etc daemon) |
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| 00:01.46 | k-man_ | ok |
| 00:02.17 | Dagger | it might actually be fairly simple to do DHCPv6 with that (but you'll still want SLAAC turned on for any clients that don't support DHCPv6. like Android...) |
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| 00:04.40 | k-man_ | its all a bit more complex than I thought |
| 00:05.01 | acz32 | is there a flaw with this argument? : debian's security team focuses on stable. so to be most secure, you use older software with security updates. ubuntu is based on debian repos with newer software, and they have a security team. so it's more secure to use ubuntu than debian testing. |
| 00:05.43 | Dagger | k-man_: that's why I use SLAAC. you set the flag to on, run radvd and everything sorts itself out |
| 00:06.16 | k-man_ | Dagger, seems like a good way |
| 00:06.38 | k-man_ | except openwrt doesn't have that. perhaps the odhcpd is similar? |
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| 00:17.56 | shay_shay | acz32: security fixes in debian testing are fixed within a week and if you need them right away you can easily backport from sid |
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| 00:19.44 | shay_shay | there is a difference in security but its marginal. i still trust debian testing to a 9 month buntu version |
| 00:21.12 | shay_shay | compare apples to apples : ubuntu LTS vs debian stable |
| 00:21.46 | shay_shay | other ubuntu releases to debian testing |
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| 00:26.06 | acz32 | shay_shay: thanks. i am considering using testing instead of stable since it's a home desktop and newer software would be nice |
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| 00:45.41 | arcebispo | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/188500/file-vdi-increase-at-double-size-after-split-and-then-cat-operation |
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| 01:02.35 | shay_shay | acz32: i have been tracking testing since before the freeze... it makes it really easy to backport software from sid if theyre not as far apart |
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| 01:38.02 | jaycoo | hi |
| 01:38.10 | jaycoo | how do i echo "seed" | openssl aes-256-cbc -a -e > seed.enc |
| 01:38.17 | jaycoo | how do i then open seed.enc? |
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| 01:58.11 | wh0isthis | hi how do i encrypt text in linux? |
| 01:58.39 | qmr | wh0isthis: rot13 < myplaintext > myencryptedtext |
| 01:58.42 | dvs | wh0isthis: gpg |
| 01:58.52 | qmr | dvs's method is needlessly complex |
| 01:58.54 | dvs | !pal qmr |
| 01:58.54 | dpkg | points at qmr and laughs hysterically |
| 01:59.08 | wh0isthis | echo "seed" | openssl aes-256-cbc -a -e > seed.enc |
| 01:59.12 | wh0isthis | this will be enough? |
| 01:59.25 | qmr | why don't you tell us what you are actually trying to do |
| 01:59.36 | wh0isthis | encrypt my cd-key |
| 01:59.37 | qmr | we can provide better advice if we have context about the big picture and what your goals are |
| 01:59.47 | wh0isthis | and hide it |
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| 02:02.16 | wh0isthis | qmr any advice? |
| 02:02.47 | qmr | wh0isthis: if you are going to keep secrets keep all of them and use FDE. otherwise use GPG like dvs suggested |
| 02:03.24 | wh0isthis | why not |
| 02:03.26 | wh0isthis | echo "seed" | openssl aes-256-cbc -a -e > seed.enc |
| 02:03.27 | wh0isthis | ? |
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| 02:04.19 | qmr | if that floats your boat |
| 02:04.35 | wh0isthis | how do i use GPG? |
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| 02:07.34 | dvs | wh0isthis: gpg -c -e <filename> |
| 02:07.58 | wh0isthis | dvs: how do i then open it? |
| 02:08.09 | wh0isthis | decrypt it? |
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| 02:08.51 | dvs | gpg -d <filename> |
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| 02:08.54 | qmr | wh0isthis: brew a tea or coffee then settle in with the manual page |
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| 02:09.36 | wh0isthis | echo "seed goes here" | > gpg -c -e btcencrypted-seed.txt |
| 02:10.39 | wh0isthis | echo "seed goes here" | gpg -c -e > my-encrypted-seed.txt |
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| 02:12.08 | wh0isthis | You did not specify a user ID. (you may use "-r") |
| 02:12.08 | wh0isthis | Current recipients: |
| 02:12.26 | wh0isthis | qmr i guess you dont know how to do it |
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| 02:13.32 | wh0isthis | gpg: WARNING: message was not integrity protected |
| 02:13.46 | qmr | ahhh, the subtle taunt to get me to do your homework for you? How often does that work? |
| 02:14.15 | wh0isthis | why do i get this |
| 02:14.16 | wh0isthis | gpg: WARNING: message was not integrity protected |
| 02:14.18 | wh0isthis | you know? |
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| 02:15.52 | qmr | Search the web for the error message. If that does not work search the source code. You could also ask the gpg channel |
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| 02:16.55 | wh0isthis | is it not really error message right? |
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| 03:38.32 | Guest75212 | How can I tell what my gateway is? |
| 03:38.59 | nezZario | This is just really annoying. It's not debian specific but for some reason I can't get any hosts to talk to each other on my LAN |
| 03:39.31 | srg | well, what's your gateway? |
| 03:39.45 | srg | As in, how do the packets go to get to the internet |
| 03:39.59 | srg | Mine go through my router, which has an IP of 192.168.10.1 |
| 03:40.13 | srg | what kinda network are you on? |
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| 03:42.22 | AlphaTech | Hello. I own an IRC Network. I wanted to know if anyone knew how to create a network stats page. I don't believe one exists for Freenode but I know EFnet has one here: http://stats.efnet.org/ |
| 03:43.01 | srg | Kinda off-topic for #Debian ....but there are a lot of network stats packages |
| 03:43.20 | srg | THe last time I used one, many years ago, there was one called NeoStats (iirc) |
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| 03:44.39 | srg | AlphaTech: It looks like Neostats is not developed, but it has a successor: Denora. |
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| 03:46.22 | AlphaTech | srg: Yes, denora is malfunction for me and the help channel is just ignoring me and being useless |
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| 03:49.14 | z8z | Hello guys i have to install debian on a server aiming to keep it for a while so i'd like to know if the release date of debian 8 is already known so that i can wait for that |
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| 03:56.55 | polyphagia | z8z: no it isn't known |
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| 04:00.15 | z8z | polyphagia: ok thanks for the info.... so i should go for current stable i guess |
| 04:00.34 | polyphagia | yeah z8z |
| 04:00.52 | z8z | polyphagia: later i can still upgrade it to 8? is that safe? |
| 04:01.03 | polyphagia | yeah |
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| 04:25.04 | thecoolguy | Hello |
| 04:25.20 | thecoolguy | anyway know when nvidia drivers will be updated ? |
| 04:25.23 | thecoolguy | anyone* |
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| 04:27.14 | srg | Forgive me for asking: But what's the controversy over systemd? I don't know much about either init or systemd, is there a place I can read about each in a simple way? Wikipedia is a bit too much. |
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| 04:39.36 | rww | srg: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd |
| 04:39.49 | rww | and if those aren't simple enough, you're unlikely to be at a level where init system choice makes any difference to your life |
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| 04:43.32 | srg | rww: Thanks |
| 04:43.46 | themill | (even if you do understand them, the init system probably makes no difference to your life) |
| 04:44.09 | srg | Yeah, probably. I still want to understand though |
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| 04:50.39 | Rusty1 | man init always a good read, maybe already suggested as i just joined |
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| 05:10.49 | sakujo | can somebody tell me why i have some dpms stuff set up on a sort of minimal installation inside /etc/kdb? |
| 05:11.34 | sakujo | how can i check what installed /etc/kbd/config ? |
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| 05:16.43 | Rusty1 | man apt-file |
| 05:17.04 | Rusty1 | oops, sry wrong window |
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| 05:18.27 | Rusty1 | sakujo: actually apt-file might help |
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| 05:23.21 | sakujo | hmm i have no debian system that i can install apt-file on -.- |
| 05:24.10 | sakujo | (before someone seriously facepalms, i do have debian systems, just none that i can install packages on right now) |
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| 05:25.30 | themill | ,i kbd |
| 05:25.31 | judd | Package kbd (utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: Linux console font and keytable utilities. Version: 1.15.3-9; Size: 440.3k; Installed: 1364k |
| 05:26.01 | themill | (Given it's an installed file, dpkg -S would tell you which package owns it) |
| 05:26.17 | sakujo | awesome themill <3 |
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| 05:30.30 | sakujo | ok so now i aptitude why kbd and aptitude gives me "i" for console-setup and "i A" for console-setup-linux |
| 05:30.49 | sakujo | that means console-setup got manually installed, which depends on console-setup-linux which depends on kbd? |
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| 05:31.21 | sakujo | and since i am virtually 100% certain not having manually installed console-setup i'd believe it gets installed as one of the system packages during install? |
| 05:32.10 | themill | anything installed by the installer is marked as manually installed (otherwise aptitude would want to uninstall your base-system) |
| 05:32.41 | sakujo | no i understand that they are |
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| 05:32.54 | sakujo | but after all i am only virtually 100% certain that i did not manually install it |
| 05:33.03 | sakujo | but technically it could have been debian installation or me, of course |
| 05:35.09 | themill | cryptsetup recommends console-setup (to ensure that keymaps are set correctly for passphrases being typed in) |
| 05:35.58 | themill | If the machine was identified as being a laptop then pm-utils gets installed which brings in kbd |
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| 06:39.25 | Cocodude | Debian should include support for the crypto aes-xts-plain64, right? I was able to set up a partition using that about a year ago and recently rebooted and Debian now thinks it can't be accessed, so just want to check the encryption hasn't been removed from a more recent Wheezy kernel |
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| 06:42.58 | tErik | Hi, what server control/administration/panel software is comparatively more secured, (and consumes less memory), and can also do comparatively more secure settings in debian server ? i will need to inside openvz vm and kvm instances |
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| 06:50.11 | tErik | i want to control+configure via openssh tunnel from my side to remote debian 7 wheezy servers. |
| 06:50.33 | petn-randall | tErik: comparatively more secured to what? IMHO no control panel is useful on a server. Use SSH and learn what you need to do on the command line. |
| 06:50.58 | petn-randall | Cocodude: Which release are you using? |
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| 06:57.14 | Cocodude | petn-randall: Wheezy, 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 06:58.07 | Cocodude | I just fine it really weird I was able to set up the LUKS partition and mount it, but after a year it's stopped being able to mount |
| 06:59.06 | Cocodude | Indeed, https://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm talks about aes-xts-plain (although admittedly not -plain64) |
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| 07:04.49 | petn-randall | Cocodude: It's very unlikely that features get removed in a stable release. Have you seen any error messages in /var/log/kern.log when you try to mount it? |
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| 07:05.59 | Cocodude | petn-randall: Agreed. All the errors seem to suggest that the crypto is not available. Error on console is "Check that kernel supports aes-xts-plain64 cipher (check syslog for more info)." and kern.log is "device-mapper: table: 253:0: crypt: Error allocating crypto tfm" and "device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table" |
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| 07:06.31 | Cocodude | Hence I'm wondering if there may have been an oversight |
| 07:06.41 | petn-randall | Cocodude: Can you paste the last 10 lines of /var/log/kern.log and syslog to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 07:07.07 | Cocodude | http://paste.debian.net/159873/ |
| 07:07.11 | Cocodude | petn-randall: Those two lines are the only relevant ones |
| 07:07.29 | Cocodude | That's me trying multiple times |
| 07:07.37 | Cocodude | tali /var/log/syslog.2.gz |
| 07:07.41 | Cocodude | Oops |
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| 07:07.57 | Cocodude | Syslog's exactly the same in this instance |
| 07:08.10 | Cocodude | From my Googling, it's just saying the crypt module isn't available to the kernel |
| 07:08.33 | petn-randall | Cocodude: I'd verify with smartctl that the underlying HDD is fine, too. Though you'd probably see read errors if that's the case. |
| 07:08.40 | tErik | Secured means usage of comparatively stronger encryption suites+combinations, like SHA512, AES256, etc, it also means Not-Using (aka, "Avoid" using) broken or weaker stuff like MD5, SHA1, SSL-FREAK, HEARTBLEED, etc. |
| 07:08.41 | Cocodude | Indeed |
| 07:08.53 | tErik | which admin panel carefully can set those ? |
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| 07:09.10 | Cocodude | petn-randall: It's a SSD, so I don't trust smartctl, but no errors and the partition seems to be fully readable |
| 07:09.40 | petn-randall | Cocodude: smartctl should run fine on SSDs, they all support SMART error reporting. |
| 07:09.40 | Cocodude | I can get the LUKS headers and it also looks just fine and tells me the encryption is aes xts-plain64 |
| 07:09.55 | petn-randall | Cocodude: Maybe you need to load the module by hand? |
| 07:10.08 | Cocodude | petn-randall: They don't all work with SMART in my experience, especially OCZ ones (bleh) but it reports as OK in any case |
| 07:10.22 | tErik | which admin panel software will not make weaker server ? |
| 07:10.24 | petn-randall | Cocodude: Ah, I see. |
| 07:10.30 | Cocodude | petn-randall: I've loaded all the modules in kernel/crypto manually just to be sure |
| 07:10.33 | Cocodude | Still no luck |
| 07:11.17 | petn-randall | tErik: You won't get around to understand each problem and addressing it by hand. No panel in the world will help you fix security problems with a click. |
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| 07:12.18 | tErik | when a panel updates, then what do they update ?!! if they are updating security, blocking holes, removing weak/broken stuff, then they are useless, why people use them ? |
| 07:12.41 | tErik | * if they are NOT updating |
| 07:12.46 | petn-randall | tErik: Who said sane people use them? |
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| 07:14.23 | petn-randall | tErik: A control panel won't automatically weaken your server. But installing one will give you a false sense of security because you won't get any added security, either. |
| 07:15.12 | petn-randall | tErik: the heartbleed bug was fixed by applying an update in a timely manner. No panel will magically do that for you. |
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| 07:19.38 | tErik | none of these panels shown in url-link can warn server admin, if server componenets or settings are using MD5, SHA1, etc ? !!!! https://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 07:20.49 | tErik | unless secured config is given in apache, then its vulnerable to FREAK-SSL, unless secure settings used in SSH, its vulnerable to various attacks. and you are saying, none warn or change from weak/broken into safer stuff ?!! |
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| 07:23.41 | tErik | MD5 takes under 1 second to break, SHA1 takes around half an hour with just two gpu cluster. |
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| 07:24.14 | tErik | these panel software developer does not know about these ?!! |
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| 07:25.38 | tErik | AES128 broken by NSA in 2010 or 2012. |
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| 07:26.57 | Cocodude | I can confirm that this isn't a disk issue and really does seem to be a missing cypher issue |
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| 07:27.09 | Cocodude | Running "cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain64 -s 512 -h sha512 testFile" gives the same error |
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| 07:29.16 | Cocodude | And that works under Ubuntu 14.04 (which seems to have the xts(aes) module in /proc/crypto whereas by Debian install doesn't |
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| 07:31.08 | Cocodude | Oh, that's not quite true. Debian has xts(aes) provided by xts-aes-aesni but Ubuntu provided by simply xts |
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| 07:33.13 | Cocodude | Can someone on Wheezy please test something for me |
| 07:34.11 | Cocodude | Actually, just found a spare Wheezy server |
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| 07:35.32 | Cocodude | Very interesting. The command works on my box that's been up for 246 days |
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| 07:36.37 | mjt | what is "breaking MD5" ? |
| 07:36.41 | petn-randall | tErik: You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. MD5/SHA1 are hash algorithms. They're not used for encryption. That being said, "MD5 takes under 1 second to break" is non-sensical. Break in what sense? How much processing power? I'll not go on with any of your other statements. |
| 07:36.51 | mjt | it is a hash algorithm, how do you "break" it? |
| 07:37.01 | mjt | heh |
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| 07:38.21 | telmich | petn-randall: that is not entirely right what you say |
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| 07:39.14 | petn-randall | tErik: All applications in Debian stable come with sane defaults. There's always a trade-off between security and accessibility. For example, you could disable all ciphers that don't use "Perfect Forward Secrecy" in apache2, and gain some extra security through that. But that'll make your website inaccessible by many older browsers. |
| 07:39.29 | telmich | petn-randall: hash algorithms _are_ actually being used for encryption; any non reversible function can be used for encryption |
| 07:39.53 | mjt | for signing, telmich |
| 07:39.59 | petn-randall | tErik: No control panel in the world can hold your hand through the decision process of that. |
| 07:40.40 | telmich | mjt: how do you think passwords in /etc/shadow are encrypted? |
| 07:40.51 | mjt | they're hashed not encrypted |
| 07:40.58 | Cocodude | telmich: You don't need to go from the hash back to the plaintext |
| 07:41.03 | petn-randall | telmich: How do you "decrypt" then? Hash algorithms are used to end up with something smaller that can verify the authenticity of something larger. Sure, they're related to encryption, but not used for it. |
| 07:41.13 | mjt | using the term "encrypt" for that is technically incorrect |
| 07:41.34 | Cocodude | telmich: Encrypt implies you can decrypt. There is no way to "decrypt" a hash function like MD5 or SHA1 |
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| 07:44.18 | telmich | that is exactly the point of hash algorithms that you cannot decrypt them, but have to provide the same input and verify the output |
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| 07:46.09 | tErik | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.35 | l3archos | hi there.Using Jessie with Gnome3. Everytime I come back and my screen was locked, after I enter the unlock password I get the notification bottom bar. Is it possible to completely deactivate this bottom notification bar or change its behaviour ? |
| 07:46.38 | telmich | hm, no. I see that my interpretation is wrong, as in encryption also requires decryption, sorry for the confusion |
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| 07:48.23 | Cocodude | I'm pretty sure my cryptsetup / aes issue is a Debian bug you know. I had a VPS that had 150 days uptime. Trying to use aes-xts-plain64 worked on that. Then I rebooted it (so it used the latest kernel) and the exact same command no longer works. I think we have a regression here. |
| 07:48.47 | Cocodude | Just to rule anything stupid I'm doing, can someone with a recent Wheezy run two commands for me? |
| 07:48.53 | Cocodude | 1. dd if=/dev/zero of=testFile bs=1M count=50 |
| 07:48.59 | Cocodude | 2. cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain64 -s 512 -h sha512 testFile |
| 07:49.11 | Cocodude | Just enter any old password. Let me know what happens. |
| 07:49.53 | Cocodude | *Also* if anyone happens to have a WHeezy box that hasn't been updated in a while (150 days ideally, less might work), please also run those commands and I bet it'll work |
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| 08:03.46 | d3lphi1 | hi |
| 08:04.03 | petn-randall | tErik: If you're worried about your server being broken into, make sure to apply security updates in a timely manner. Something like 99.9% of all break-in are due to unpatched software. I don't know of a single break-in that was due to old encryption software. |
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| 08:05.07 | petn-randall | tErik: Also notice that "broken" in cryptography means that the complexity to run some kinds of attacks are less than the design expectation. It /doesn't/ mean that it's unusuable from that minute onwards. |
| 08:05.20 | petn-randall | *doesn't necessarily mean |
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| 08:06.45 | tErik | if debian users follows you & your these statements, they are doomed to be the WEAKEST LINUX |
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| 08:07.57 | tErik | if anyone in healthy mind still uses MD5, SHA1, then they have something wrong in their brain. that is not called anymore "secured". |
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| 08:08.28 | petn-randall | tErik: Good luck finding another distro then. |
| 08:08.29 | petn-randall | !next |
| 08:08.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 08:13.08 | tErik | from this https://wiki.debian.org/MD5inDebian an article from 2009, quoting "md5 - should be treated as essentially completely broken and dropped yesterday, sha1 - not actually broken yet as far as we know, but it will be the next to go and will be soon. Should be migrated away from at the earliest possible opportunity" " |
| 08:13.21 | tErik | this is 2015. |
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| 08:16.52 | tErik | Some people LOVES to hold onto old+weak things, and thinks "doesn't necessarily mean it's unusuable from that minute onwards" <-- by petn-randall #debian freenode irc user, 2015. |
| 08:17.01 | tErik | If you do that, you are done for. |
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| 08:17.23 | tErik | Secured system means, you are staying few steps ahead. |
| 08:18.04 | tErik | means you use that, which have no chance of getting broken any time sooner. |
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| 08:19.39 | tErik | petn-randall, please learn what secured means. |
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| 08:20.41 | tErik | please start from the URL i posted in top. |
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| 08:31.36 | knosys | hello |
| 08:31.52 | knosys | I am wondering if its possible to move workspaces of Gnome in debian |
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| 08:32.04 | knosys | i would like to have workspaces at the left, right, bottom... |
| 08:32.25 | knosys | instead of scrolling 3 times down, it would be nice 1 left, 1 right, 1 bottom. is that possible to customize? |
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| 08:39.27 | pksadiq | knosys: Did you try this extenstion: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/484/workspace-grid/ ? I have not tried myself. A simple web search brought me that. |
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| 08:42.22 | petn-randall | tErik: If I'd need some lecturing, I'd ask someone who doesn't use cpanel, thanks. If you want to carry on the conversation, feel free to join me on #debian-offtopic, as this is our support channel. |
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| 08:47.23 | tErik | i asked about debian friendly "SECURED" admin panel, i did not ask about cpanel. insecured cpanel, i do not want. |
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| 08:47.42 | nerobex | test |
| 08:47.47 | tErik | that is clarified in my 1st to last post. |
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| 08:48.25 | petn-randall | tErik: You already got the answer. To my knowledge, there's no such panel that offers what you want. |
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| 08:49.38 | Skyrider1 | Small question. |
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| 08:49.55 | Skyrider1 | I've attempting to install a package within remote.. but the package manager is asking for a password. |
| 08:50.12 | Skyrider1 | my sudo password for the account isn't working, and root has been disabled.. |
| 08:50.19 | Skyrider1 | Why does it say invalid password then?.. |
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| 08:50.45 | Skyrider1 | and I mean, the account password doesn't work with the package manager, but works fine in shell/terminal. |
| 08:50.55 | petn-randall | Skyrider1: which package manager? |
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| 08:51.15 | Skyrider1 | GDebi |
| 08:51.44 | petn-randall | Skyrider1: Does it specifically ask for the root password? |
| 08:51.51 | tErik | petn-randall, thanks for your attempts to help. but now at-least you have said a better+smart answer: "To my knowledge". please allow others to post their opinions & experiences. we cannot be absolute on what we don't know. |
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| 08:52.16 | Skyrider1 | Not specificly.. no, just "you need to grand administrative rights to install software" |
| 08:52.46 | petn-randall | Skyrider1: Ah, then try running gdebi with 'gksudo gdebi', it should ask for your password, and then it should work. |
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| 08:53.09 | Skyrider | awesome, will try, thanks. |
| 08:53.25 | l3archos | hey all. I used to use "irfanview" on Windows for quickly open an image and crop it and do some optimizations on quality. Which tool do you suggest me on Debian Jessie and GNome3 ? |
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| 08:53.26 | salih-emin | Skyrider, is the account in sudoers ? |
| 08:54.08 | Skyrider | Yup, with ALL rights. |
| 08:54.14 | salih-emin | ok |
| 08:54.27 | Skyrider | hence I find it strange it rejects my password. |
| 08:55.03 | petn-randall | tErik: Feel free to join me on #debian-offtopic if you want to further discuss this. |
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| 08:56.29 | Skyrider | had to add -gtk for GUI. |
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| 08:57.36 | Skyrider | But it did the trick, appreciate it. |
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| 08:58.33 | pksadiq | l3lu3: try gthumb, or eog, or The worst way: run that software in wine. |
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| 08:59.06 | tErik | petn-randall, there are admin panel type of software, not exactly falls into only that "server administration" category, some are more powerful, they can also manipulate hypervisors and VM-servers on (host) server, such can provide much secured settings, i have seen such for CentOS/Fedora. i was hoping someone can hints to such for debian. |
| 08:59.55 | jpinx | l3archos: irfaview runs ok in wine ;) |
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| 09:01.49 | Cocodude | petn-randall: My issue is now resolved and (as is always the case) Debian isn't at fault. I don't know how, but the VPS it's running against no longer had linux-image-* installed (but still ran OK, modules were there etc.). Reinstalling this and rebooting let things work just fine. |
| 09:02.54 | tErik | Please inform me or give me pointer to Debian friendly few VM / hypervisor management software. Thanks in advance. |
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| 09:04.46 | petn-randall | Cocodude: Ah, that's interesting. But how could you load the kernel modules then? |
| 09:04.53 | Cocodude | shrugs |
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| 09:05.07 | Cocodude | I really don't know |
| 09:05.18 | petn-randall | Cocodude: Oh well. Glad you got it fixed. |
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| 09:05.39 | Cocodude | I can only assume that somehow, it didn't get officially uninstalled, but ultimately got out of date and missing a couple of bits. |
| 09:05.46 | Cocodude | Thanks for your help |
| 09:06.13 | tErik | Which are COMPARATIVELY (by default) good+secure in Debian, from these choices : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtualization_software |
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| 09:07.40 | Cocodude | tErik: Those aren't control panels. That's a listing of virtualisation software, i.e. at a lower level. |
| 09:08.01 | tErik | i know, i asked a 2nd qusiton |
| 09:08.17 | Skyrider | Ugh.. this is so, confusing.. |
| 09:08.22 | Cocodude | I only use Xen, but the settings for that are definitely good and secure |
| 09:08.35 | Skyrider | I've installed dropbox through remote.. but whenever I attempt to login inside dropbox, all the keys are scrambled.. |
| 09:08.43 | Cocodude | tErik: I would have thought all were good and secure, but you could stick with a well known one like Xen,or KVM |
| 09:08.44 | Skyrider | when I enter S, it shows b. |
| 09:08.47 | Skyrider | and so on. |
| 09:09.14 | Skyrider | Oddly enough, if I type in firefox (through remote) it types just fine. |
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| 09:10.56 | petn-randall | Cocodude: You're welcome! Feel free to ask if you run into any other problems. |
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| 09:14.22 | tErik | Cocodude, i think i will go with KVM, (i do not rust Xen anymore), is there a nice GUI administration front panel for KVM hypevisors ? |
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| 09:14.35 | tErik | s/ rust / trust / |
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| 09:18.05 | Skyrider | Can anyone recommend me a good GUI package manager? I'm using apt-get, but I wish to find / install packages through remote as well |
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| 09:19.32 | tErik | is Proxmox a good solution (as hypervisor mgmt) ? http://proxmox.com/proxmox-ve/comparison |
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| 09:20.27 | Vroomfon1el | Skyrider: synaptic is the most popular I think |
| 09:20.35 | petn-randall | Skyrider: try aptitude, it's interactive with a ncurses interface. |
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| 09:22.12 | Skyrider | 2 suggestions :p |
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| 09:22.22 | Skyrider | I've installed Synaptic , though not showing through remote. |
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| 09:29.58 | Skyrider | Its weird.. |
| 09:30.19 | Skyrider | The only thing I need to do, is to enter a user/password in dropbox through remote.. I just cannot figure out, why the hell, its scrambling my keys. |
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| 09:40.49 | umbra_purus | hey. Just installed debian without graphical interface. Can someone help me choose which graphical interface is best for it? |
| 09:41.18 | rozie | depends what you like, really |
| 09:41.24 | rozie | there's no "best one" |
| 09:42.04 | rozie | I'd give KDE and Gnome a try, they are pretty common |
| 09:42.39 | rozie | if you want something "lighter" I recommend LXDE, which is my default WM/DE |
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| 09:44.50 | petn-randall | umbra_purus: KDE, Gnome3 and Xfce are the most popular ones. But there are at least a dozen more. Have a look at screenshots, read reviews and then decide for yourself. You can also install all of them in parallel, and try them consecutively and then stick with the one you like. |
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| 09:45.49 | umbra_purus | petn-randall: And what about elementary? Everyone says that is amazing. Really lightweight |
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| 09:46.30 | umbra_purus | Do you recommend? |
| 09:47.12 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 09:47.26 | umbra_purus | So that not good... |
| 09:47.39 | cnodell | umbra_purus: No best really. Best fit for you maybe. Here in my office one guy loves Gnome3, another KDE while I use i3. Each for our own reasons. Perhaps you can tell us more about what you want from your DE/WM? |
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| 09:49.17 | umbra_purus | Well I've enroll in computer science and starting thinking the windows is a just a restricted SO to work in. I mean there so much more you can do in Linux. I'm kind learning how to live in linux and so far I really enjoy more than windows. |
| 09:49.18 | cnodell | It sounds like light weight is important to you... Do you prefer tiling/floating? Do you prefer just the basics or feature rich? Do you prefer to configure with text files or using gui tools? Do you use mostly GTK or QT apps? |
| 09:49.38 | umbra_purus | Maybe this are stupid reasons but then again I'm kinda newbie in computer science. |
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| 09:51.10 | cnodell | Naw, nothing stupid about any of this. Just keep in mind, there is no best, we can only give you personal advice, and you will have to play arround a bit if you are set on finding the "perfect fit" for you. |
| 09:51.11 | umbra_purus | cnodell: what is GTK or QT apps» |
| 09:51.12 | umbra_purus | ? |
| 09:51.43 | Skyrider | So I assume no one knows why the keys are being scrambled in remote, when I enter my user/pass. |
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| 09:53.12 | umbra_purus | I prefer something fast then all beautiful and crap.. Something fast but really with a functionality that is flexible if you know what I mean.. |
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| 09:53.43 | umbra_purus | So with all this, what do you really recommend? Even the top 3 so I can check them |
| 09:54.12 | cnodell | Gui apps on linux use graphical libraries to draw the pretty pictures on the screen. The two most popular libraries are GTK and QT. If all your gui apps (including the DE/WM use the same gui library, you save harddrive space and use less memory. Not too important if you have a fast, modern computer. If you have limited system resources, it might matter to you. |
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| 09:54.39 | Skyrider | I suggest you check it out: https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment and google some reviews. |
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| 09:56.06 | petn-randall | umbra_purus: Try xfce and lxde then, and install any other you see and try them out. |
| 09:56.09 | cnodell | If spped is your first concern, Gnome3/KDE might be bad choices but they are feature rich. IF you want a balance of features and performance try XFCE (Medium-Weight) or LXDE (Medium-Light Weight). |
| 09:56.59 | umbra_purus | but with a i7 4700Q 2.Ghz and 8Gb RAM will gnome3 or KDE have any issue? |
| 09:57.21 | umbra_purus | probably not right? |
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| 09:57.32 | umbra_purus | i7 4700hq |
| 09:58.47 | Vroomfon1el | umbra_purus: any DE will work fine on that kind of PC |
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| 10:00.28 | cnodell | umbra_purus: Your PC will have a little less membor available for other tasks, but for everyday use you will have no issues with any desktop you chose! |
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| 10:01.14 | cnodell | If you want to try one of the big DE's and customization is important to you, I believe KDE is easier to customize than Gnome3 |
| 10:01.40 | cnodell | Out of the box at least. People can correct me if I am wrong, I haven't used either in a while! |
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| 10:02.27 | Skyrider | I'm on the edge of giving up... |
| 10:02.33 | umbra_purus | Can you provide with a good tutorial on how to unistall graphical interface and installing it? |
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| 10:02.49 | pksadiq | cnodell: Gnome 3 is now much mature in Debian jessie. But haven't reached the Gnome 2 maturity yet. |
| 10:03.06 | umbra_purus | Can find anything that would explain on how they work in general so I understand how each one might work.. |
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| 10:04.54 | cnodell | Install "apt-get install task-gnome-desktop" or "apt-get install task-kde-desktop" |
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| 10:05.54 | umbra_purus | cnodell: so I can have multiple GI working in linux? |
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| 10:06.46 | cnodell | Remove "apt-get remove task-$DE-desktop" then, "apt-get autoremove --purge" but be sure to review the packages debian wants to remove when you run autoremove. Sometimes it might try to take something away you do not want removed. |
| 10:06.52 | cnodell | Yes. No problems. |
| 10:07.17 | umbra_purus | Okay thanks |
| 10:07.23 | cnodell | Some live cd's have more than 30 DE/WS's installed so you can try out various options. |
| 10:07.51 | Skyrider | yup.. screw this.. |
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| 10:08.38 | umbra_purus | Skyrider: what's up? |
| 10:09.25 | umbra_purus | cnodell: Probably i've missed that but then again when i installed linux I needed help to make dual boot because I wasn't installing it correctly because of UEFI |
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| 10:11.04 | Skyrider | umbra_purus: Scrambled keys through remote. |
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| 10:11.13 | Skyrider | Been trying to figure out for hours why it is doing it. |
| 10:13.13 | cnodell | Skyrider: What do you mean when you say "through remote"? |
| 10:13.25 | Skyrider | vncserver |
| 10:13.48 | Skyrider | I've installed dropbox through remote.. but whenever I attempt to login inside dropbox, all the keys are scrambled.. when I enter s, it shows b. |
| 10:14.01 | Skyrider | and so on |
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| 10:14.37 | cnodell | OK. SO you have a vnc server running on the remote debian box and you are accessing it through the network using a vnc client on your local box. Everything works fine except when you try to enter text into a dropbox window... |
| 10:15.13 | cnodell | What vnc server and what vnc client are you using? What is your client OS? |
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| 10:17.07 | cnodell | What locale i setup on each system? |
| 10:17.13 | Skyrider | server package, no idea. (yet), been a while.. client, ultra/tightvnc. |
| 10:17.14 | cnodell | is setup* |
| 10:17.18 | Skyrider | Windows 7. |
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| 10:17.52 | cnodell | Not saying I have an answer but I will spend a few minutes and see if i can help find one! |
| 10:18.17 | adrin | Morning, could anyone tell me why I have this problem? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28877319/linux-user-groups-and-file-system-permissions |
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| 10:20.18 | Skyrider | cnodell: I also just tried a new server/client app, x2go |
| 10:20.25 | Skyrider | it appears to be doing it exactly the same. |
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| 10:22.14 | cnodell | How about languages? |
| 10:22.39 | cnodell | Are both boxes set to use english, german, dutch, or are the locale settings different? |
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| 10:23.40 | frederik_2 | hi , does anybody here have experience with xen 4.4 pci passthrough ? tried xen channel, but nobody home |
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| 10:25.27 | xrlabs | hey guys! What's the definitive place to set my IP Address? |
| 10:25.38 | Skyrider | locale -a shows "C, C.UTF-8, POSIX" <- , indicates a new line.. to prevent spamming this channel. |
| 10:26.08 | SynrGy | adrin: chmod g+s the directory so that anything created in it inherits the same group the directory is in |
| 10:26.08 | jww | xrlabs: /etc/network/interfaces.d I guess |
| 10:26.26 | petn-randall | xrlabs: temporary or permanently? Statically or dynamically? |
| 10:26.41 | xrlabs | I need to change my IP to static 192.168.20.110 |
| 10:26.48 | xrlabs | permantently |
| 10:26.54 | xrlabs | *permanently |
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| 10:26.57 | cnodell | xrlabs: also depends on what service you are using to manage your NIC. |
| 10:27.08 | daemon_erebus | then etc/network/interfaces would be the place |
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| 10:28.06 | Skyrider | I appear to be using en_ZW ISO-8859-1 |
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| 10:31.33 | petn-randall | xrlabs: what daemon_erebus said. See 'man interfaces' for details. |
| 10:31.33 | adrin | SynrGy: it doesn't work: https://bpaste.net/show/c6572c6b5f77 |
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| 10:32.48 | SynrGy | adrin: sorry. works for me. i did the same test. |
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| 10:33.14 | umbra_purus | can someone explain me to difference between window manager and desktop environment? |
| 10:33.19 | SynrGy | adrin: is this a debian system? |
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| 10:33.56 | cnodell | Skyrider, I found mention on a randome forum mentioning that conflicting locales had cause a similar problem but this had to do with UltraVNC not supporting Hebrew... |
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| 10:34.56 | SynrGy | umbra_purus: the responsibilities of a WM only extend to deciding how to place windows and decorate them. a desktop environment is something much more, encompassing managing interactions between applications and objects within a desktop user's session |
| 10:35.24 | umbra_purus | right.. thanks |
| 10:35.29 | Skyrider | Guess you can see now why I am confused. |
| 10:35.38 | Skyrider | Not a single remote app appears to be working. |
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| 10:35.46 | daemon_erebus | umbra_purus, Window Manager: Takes the requests of windows and puts them where they need to go. Does things like titlebars, menus, etc. Example: Metacity. Desktop Environment: A superset of Window Managers that add things like panels, backgrounds, and other niceties. Example: GNOMEas well. it's a valuable resource |
| 10:35.53 | Skyrider | not even a onscreen keyboard works, gives the same problem. |
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| 10:36.38 | SynrGy | daemon_erebus: those 'niceties' are not the distinguishing feature of DEs, as WMs may have those as well. |
| 10:36.43 | petn-randall | a DE also includes common apps like a settings manager, etc. |
| 10:37.35 | daemon_erebus | SynrGy, it's just a generic statement. If umbra_purus wants a more concise answer to the question he/she can always use their google-fu to do a bit more research on the subject as well as examples. |
| 10:37.39 | SynrGy | daemon_erebus: the object layer connecting applications and settings for the session is the principal difference. in a DE, applications make use of libraries to talk to that object layer |
| 10:37.54 | adrin | SynGy: it's odd then. This particular machine is debian, but I have some centos, mostly ubuntu (server and client) and some debian machines. These folders are located on an NFS server, which is an ubuntu server, but this particular client is a debian |
| 10:38.08 | adrin | SynGy: why would it matter? Does it? |
| 10:38.18 | SynrGy | daemon_erebus: it was an incorrect statement. panels and backgrounds are present in WMs. |
| 10:38.20 | Skyrider | cnodell: Now here's the weird thing.. |
| 10:38.38 | SynrGy | adrin: you are on #debian. we support debian. |
| 10:38.48 | SynrGy | adrin: if you're not on debian, you're in the wrong place for support. |
| 10:38.57 | Skyrider | When I run dropbox through remote on 2 other users, it shows a GUI of dropbox to login.. pretty normal.. |
| 10:39.11 | Skyrider | but when I login to my root, and run dropbox.. it shows an entire different login screen. |
| 10:39.14 | Skyrider | of which btw, works. |
| 10:39.24 | Skyrider | but I need to run it on another profile, not root. |
| 10:39.58 | SynrGy | adrin: since it involves a debian client, we will do what we can, but if the filesystem on the server underneath does not implement 'normal' semantics ... |
| 10:40.18 | adrin | SynrGy: Ah no don't take me wrong, I'm not asking for your support on something other than debian, I genuinely don't know where the problems is coming from. |
| 10:40.38 | SynrGy | adrin: ok. try this purely on debian, on a local filesystem |
| 10:40.42 | SynrGy | adrin: i did, and it worked. |
| 10:40.56 | SynrGy | adrin: if it works there but fails on the remote filesystem, debug that layer ... check docs, etc. |
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| 10:41.42 | adrin | SynrGy: cool, this gives me at least somewhere to go. Thanks, really. |
| 10:42.18 | SynrGy | adrin: in my particular test case, i picked an arbitrary group i'm in, cdrom. i created a dir owned by synrg:cdrom and made it g+s, i created a second dir in that. it was also owned by synrg:cdrom. |
| 10:42.54 | SynrGy | adrin: it also inherited g+s, so a third dir created in that is also synrg:cdrom. |
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| 10:43.08 | SynrGy | i mean nested within the second |
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| 10:45.51 | Skyrider | Oke, look... |
| 10:46.12 | Skyrider | http://i.imgur.com/DIAyMNf.png <- this is what happens when I attempt to enter my username through remote. |
| 10:46.18 | cnodell | Skyrider, I am finding nothing here... Just spinning my wheels. Since it is only happening with dropbox, I am not at all sure that this is a problem with VNC or locales. How are you launching dropbox? |
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| 10:46.31 | Skyrider | What I typed in the login box, is the alphabet. |
| 10:47.01 | Skyrider | http://i.imgur.com/gAKAS2u.png <- this, is what happens if I run dropbox under root. |
| 10:47.14 | Skyrider | as you can see, way different GUI.. and works, perfectly. |
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| 10:47.41 | Skyrider | I'm launching dropbox through the start-menu. |
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| 10:47.43 | adrin | SynrGy: oh, the difference is that in your test case the folder is owned by you, as the user, and a group that you belong to. So the permission most probably came from the fact that you owned it. In this test case, the parent folder has to be owned by for example root:cdrom, and then try to make a folder as synrg |
| 10:48.56 | JyZyXEL | how do you get an scsi device back after doing: "echo 1 > /sys/block/sdd/device/delete"? |
| 10:49.08 | SynrGy | adrin: i see. you may need to resort to ACLs then |
| 10:49.37 | SynrGy | adrin: see setfacl |
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| 10:50.18 | SynrGy | i guess that depends on the filesystem supporting ACLs ... |
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| 10:50.58 | cnodell | Skyrider: move all .dropbox* files in the user's home directory then try an launch it again... |
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| 10:51.21 | cnodell | this might force dropbox to re-create it's config files... |
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| 10:55.30 | Skyrider | What is the command to locate the package directory info? |
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| 11:00.46 | adrin | SynrGy: I'll check it out. |
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| 11:02.50 | Skyrider | I give up.... |
| 11:03.58 | SynrGy | Skyrider: 'the package directory info'? not sure what you mean. list the files in a package that you've installed? or that you want to install? |
| 11:04.02 | SynrGy | Skyrider: or something else? |
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| 11:04.12 | Skyrider | I've installed dropbox through a *.deb package file |
| 11:04.17 | Skyrider | I'd like to know where it has been installed to. |
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| 11:04.29 | SynrGy | Skyrider: dpkg -L dropbox |
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| 11:04.38 | Skyrider | ty |
| 11:05.01 | Skyrider | still doesn't explain why root / and other users are showing a different dropbox GUI. |
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| 11:05.36 | SynrGy | Skyrider: huh. well, since it's third-party, little we can do to help with that. do they have a support forum? |
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| 11:06.06 | Skyrider | they do, not active though |
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| 11:06.58 | Skyrider | but the keyboard input, should be an issue with either debian, or the remote. |
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| 11:10.42 | l3archos | hi all. How can I safely install "wine-unstable" to my Jessie desktop ? I tried to download these 2 packages from "http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/" called "libwine-unstable_1.7.15-0.1_amd64.deb" and "wine64-unstable_1.7.15-0.1_amd64.deb" but they cannot be installed because "libwine-gecko-1.4" is not installed. Any help appreciated |
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| 11:12.03 | cnodell | Skyrider, I would agree if the keyboard input was scrabbled for all users and all apps. but it only seems to affect this single, third party app and only for a specific user... |
| 11:12.13 | SynrGy | ,v wine-unstable |
| 11:12.14 | judd | No package named 'wine-unstable' was found in i386. |
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| 11:12.26 | SynrGy | sec. there is something in debian ... |
| 11:12.36 | SynrGy | ,v wine-development |
| 11:12.37 | judd | Package: wine-development on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; sid: 1.7.29-4; experimental: 1.7.37-1 |
| 11:12.58 | SynrGy | l3archos: we don't support that. we do support wine 1.7.29-4 on jessie, however. |
| 11:13.19 | SynrGy | l3archos: if you're on wheezy, tough luck, as: |
| 11:13.20 | SynrGy | ,v wine |
| 11:13.21 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; sid: 1.6.2-20 |
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| 11:13.36 | SynrGy | wheezy only has a really ancient version |
| 11:13.42 | SynrGy | and there's no backport. |
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| 11:14.27 | tx | http://backports.debian.org/changes/wheezy-backports.html |
| 11:14.30 | tx | > no backport |
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| 11:14.59 | tx | oh, you mean no package for that on backports :P |
| 11:15.01 | tx | sorry |
| 11:15.13 | l3archos | SynrGy: well listen, my issue is following. I installed the wine package from normal Jessie repository, it's version 1.6.2-20. But as soon as I try to execute "winecfg" I get the error, that winecfg.exe couldn't be found. I googled and hit on this bug report ==> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739863 |
| 11:15.16 | SynrGy | exactly, as my output above shows. |
| 11:15.32 | l3archos | the maintainer said, that this bug is fixed in wine 1.7.14-4 that's why I am trying to get a newer version |
| 11:15.37 | SynrGy | and? |
| 11:15.55 | SynrGy | i don't understand what's wrong with my solution above ... |
| 11:16.04 | SynrGy | install wine-development |
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| 11:16.15 | SynrGy | reading problems, perhaps? :) |
| 11:16.27 | l3archos | sorry, didnt read it, let me check :) |
| 11:16.31 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 11:16.57 | SynrGy | l3archos: but purge any third-party stuff you may have already installed or partly installed |
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| 11:17.30 | l3archos | I have purged everything related to wine |
| 11:17.34 | SynrGy | k, good |
| 11:17.40 | l3archos | now I am installing wine64-development |
| 11:17.46 | Skyrider | cnodell: |
| 11:18.00 | Skyrider | I am this error through when launching it from the remote terminal |
| 11:18.10 | Skyrider | "extension GLX missing on display" |
| 11:19.47 | l3archos | SynrGy: well, it finished installing "wine64-development" but there is no "winecfg" command now :( |
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| 11:19.50 | l3archos | what am I missing? |
| 11:20.15 | SynrGy | apt-file search winecfg |
| 11:20.16 | SynrGy | wine-development: /usr/bin/winecfg-development |
| 11:20.18 | kakeform | Microphone and web camera work flawlessly, but WebRTC's GetUserMedia doesn't work with the microphone (webcam works fine). It's the same in Iceweasel, Chromium and Firefox Nightly: The list of devices that can be shared seem to include all audio output possibilities, but not the microphone input. |
| 11:20.22 | SynrGy | l3archos: namespace clash |
| 11:20.49 | SynrGy | l3archos: you'll see an outstanding bug against wine-development to have it use the alternatives system: #758291 |
| 11:21.09 | l3archos | oh, I need wine-development, too |
| 11:21.12 | SynrGy | yep |
| 11:21.18 | l3archos | ok, installed it, now there is a winecfg :) |
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| 11:21.23 | SynrGy | isn't that what i said? :) |
| 11:21.26 | l3archos | let me try now if I can install irfanview |
| 11:21.31 | l3archos | SynrGy: you're my man ;) |
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| 11:21.44 | SynrGy | good luck |
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| 11:23.05 | SynrGy | Skyrider: ah. so it is apparently GL-based and has a fallback to non-GL when GLX is unavailable. |
| 11:23.18 | l3archos | SynrGy: what I still don't understand. I am on the terminal of my jessie user within ~/Downloads. There I execute the command "wine-development iview438g_setup.exe" which I freshly downloaded from irfanview.com but I only get an empty prompt. No reaction |
| 11:23.20 | SynrGy | Skyrider: lack of GLX is normal for remote display |
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| 11:23.54 | SynrGy | l3archos: here's where my knowledge gets shaky. wine has always been a *royal* pain in the butt for me. |
| 11:23.57 | SynrGy | !wine |
| 11:23.58 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 11:23.59 | phale | hello, i have debian and ruby came with it |
| 11:24.04 | SynrGy | l3archos: ^^ these guys are probably more help |
| 11:24.06 | phale | hwo do i update it now? |
| 11:24.22 | SynrGy | l3archos: really good with the debian problems. not so good with wine itself :) |
| 11:24.35 | l3archos | hmmm ok |
| 11:24.45 | SynrGy | phale: please be more specific. debian, which release? ruby, which release? and update to what? |
| 11:24.53 | SynrGy | ,v ruby |
| 11:24.54 | judd | Package: ruby on i386 -- squeeze: 4.5; wheezy: 1:1.9.3; sid: 1:2.1.0.4; jessie: 1:2.1.0.4 |
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| 11:25.23 | phale | SynrGy: Linux glimmer 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:25.29 | phale | ruby 1.9.3p194 (2012-04-20 revision 35410) [i486-linux] |
| 11:25.37 | Skyrider | then I just might need to give up |
| 11:25.53 | phale | i need to get 2.2.0 |
| 11:26.09 | SynrGy | phale: there is no more recent ruby available for it. you might have to abandon debian packages entirely and use rvm. |
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| 11:26.26 | SynrGy | phale: i use rvm on jessie at work. i don't know if wheezy is supported. should be, though. |
| 11:26.29 | phale | okay |
| 11:26.32 | phale | how do i do that |
| 11:26.42 | SynrGy | see rvm.io |
| 11:26.51 | phale | k thx |
| 11:27.09 | SynrGy | it has install instructions. you'll have to see rvm for support if you hit issues, though, as debian doesn't support it on wheezy. |
| 11:27.13 | phale | can this break ruby? |
| 11:27.32 | kakeform | When WebRTC's GetUserMedia fails to display my microphone in the prompt (independent of browser; webcam works finde; microphone works fine otherwise), where do I post the bug report? |
| 11:27.42 | SynrGy | phale: it is 100% incompatible with all ruby packages in debian. |
| 11:27.59 | SynrGy | phale: you have to entirely install everything ruby based on rvm versions from gems. |
| 11:28.07 | phale | that's insane |
| 11:28.15 | SynrGy | well, it is a way forward. |
| 11:28.20 | SynrGy | alternatively, run jessie. |
| 11:28.28 | phale | okay |
| 11:28.30 | SynrGy | however, jessie has only 2.1 |
| 11:28.31 | SynrGy | not 2.2 |
| 11:28.40 | SynrGy | hopefully the differences are not big enough to matter for your use case. |
| 11:28.46 | phale | also how come everything in stable is so old |
| 11:28.58 | SynrGy | because stable is old. and stable is stable. |
| 11:29.07 | phale | oh |
| 11:29.14 | SynrGy | !stable |
| 11:29.14 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.8); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 11:29.34 | phale | so everything in that repository is software that has been confirmed to work the best |
| 11:29.39 | phale | that's why it's old etc |
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| 11:30.16 | phale | anyways thanks i'll try some solutions |
| 11:30.22 | SynrGy | no problem. good luck |
| 11:30.33 | SynrGy | staying on top of ruby releases has been a hassle for me as a ruby developer ... |
| 11:30.40 | SynrGy | which is why at work we decided to go the rvm route |
| 11:30.50 | SynrGy | not ideal from a debian admin perspective. but best for development. |
| 11:30.51 | l3archos | SynrGy: solved it! :) I did need mfc42.dll in .wine/c_drive/windows/system32. I downloaded the file from web and moved it to that directory. Afterwards I was able to launch the installer. |
| 11:30.58 | SynrGy | l3archos: excellent! |
| 11:30.59 | l3archos | SynrGy: thanks again for your assistance! |
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| 11:31.02 | SynrGy | no prob |
| 11:31.05 | l3archos | *THANK YOU* |
| 11:31.11 | l3archos | bye to all |
| 11:31.14 | SynrGy | later |
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| 11:32.12 | SynrGy | hmm. should i have mentioned rubygems-integration? |
| 11:32.23 | SynrGy | oh well. i don't think it substantially changes what i asserted :) |
| 11:32.51 | SynrGy | ,v rubygems-integration |
| 11:32.57 | judd | Package: rubygems-integration on i386 -- wheezy: 1.1; sid: 1.8; jessie: 1.8 |
| 11:33.06 | SynrGy | how about that. available on wheezy too |
| 11:33.57 | frederik_2 | anyone here have experience with xen 4.4 ? |
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| 11:39.59 | petn-randall | !tell frederik_2 -about anyone |
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| 11:40.29 | kakeform | When WebRTC's GetUserMedia fails to display my microphone in the prompt (independent of browser; webcam works finde; microphone works fine otherwise), where do I post the bug report? |
| 11:41.41 | frederik_2 | anyone know how to passtrough a multifunction pci-e card under xen 4.4/debian jessie ? |
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| 11:44.52 | frederik_2 | the card functions ( 30:00.0 - 30:00.6 ) pass pciback with xl -pci-assignable-list and are configured in the vm (ubuntu) with pci ['30:00.*'] , but doesn't see the card in the vm :( . if i do pci = [' 30:00.0' '30:00.2') , then its shows op in the vm but with -110 error |
| 11:46.23 | frederik_2 | the thing is : the pci-e card is a dual dvb-s2 (tevii s482) card that acts a 4 port usb 2.0 controller that with right firmware shows 2 dvb-S usb tuners |
| 11:46.52 | frederik_2 | anyone got a clue ? |
| 11:47.10 | rabbitear_sdf | do the usb thing |
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| 11:47.21 | rabbitear_sdf | if that is what the device actually is |
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| 11:48.35 | rabbitear_sdf | frederik_2: many things are usb on top of other stuff |
| 11:48.48 | rabbitear_sdf | but you use the 'thing' as a usb device |
| 11:49.05 | rabbitear_sdf | in the internet of things :) <--- I love saying that |
| 11:49.07 | frederik_2 | this is pastebin of everything : http://pastebin.com/BRCER5Lq |
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| 11:50.06 | SynrGy | uggh |
| 11:50.09 | SynrGy | !pastebin.com |
| 11:50.10 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 11:50.11 | frederik_2 | i tried with usb , but it seems the firmware doesn't work like that . and isn't it best to pass the entire controller ? |
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| 11:50.36 | rabbitear_sdf | most likely happen nobody cares, and you'll end up with mental issues thinking people in #debian know what you mean |
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| 11:51.48 | rabbitear_sdf | yeah, yeah, so you do NOT highlight what the device is that you are talking about |
| 11:51.48 | frederik_2 | http://paste.debian.net/159899/ |
| 11:52.02 | rabbitear_sdf | so we have to go thru ever freakin one |
| 11:52.05 | rabbitear_sdf | and guess |
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| 11:52.19 | rabbitear_sdf | just reminder, this isn't in chinese |
| 11:52.21 | Skyrider | Anyway.. cnodell .. thanks for trying.. |
| 11:52.23 | SynrGy | frederik_2: i have no idea. however, if you're patient, maybe someone with a clue will chime in |
| 11:52.25 | Skyrider | I've created a ticket with dropbox instead. |
| 11:53.04 | rabbitear_sdf | know what your problem is |
| 11:53.10 | rabbitear_sdf | it helps |
| 11:53.14 | frederik_2 | strange part is if i pass thru the device functions seperatly, its shows up in the vm , but with unable to emurate device-110 and doesnt work |
| 11:53.40 | rabbitear_sdf | the stranger part is that who knows what you mean |
| 11:53.50 | rabbitear_sdf | nobody, that is way too much text |
| 11:54.05 | rabbitear_sdf | you're gonna have to get used to shortening it up |
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| 11:54.15 | rabbitear_sdf | I'm just saying that for our own good |
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| 11:54.46 | frederik_2 | and if ask on how do you guys pass thrue multifuncion pci device ? |
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| 11:55.03 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: are you done berating frederik_2? do you have something else useful to contribute to actually solving the problem? |
| 11:55.11 | frederik_2 | so that its its own usb tree in the vm |
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| 11:56.21 | frederik_2 | a realtek eth0 card ( single fuction ) passes just fine and works |
| 11:56.32 | frederik_2 | "function" |
| 11:56.43 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: yes, that thru all that mess, you can not see any problem |
| 11:57.05 | l3archos | hi. When I'm away for about 10mins and return to my Notebook, I get the screen lock. After I enter my password, I get my screen back, but on the bottom there is a notification bar, which I have to acknowledge by left mouse click. Is there a way to completely remove this notification bar on the bottom? I am on Jessie+Gnome3 |
| 11:57.54 | frederik_2 | who in here uses xen to passthrough multifunction pci devices ? |
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| 11:58.30 | rabbitear_sdf | l3archos: you should join #gnome instead |
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| 11:58.34 | SynrGy | frederik_2: through all that mess, no, i cannot see the problem. and yes, it is good to politely focus the user on singling out the details that would help us. emphasis on "politely". i find your approach unconstructive. |
| 11:58.41 | rabbitear_sdf | l3archos: or run like a normal wm |
| 11:58.48 | SynrGy | bleah. s/frederik_2/rabbitear_sdf/ |
| 11:59.14 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: that is, i don't substantially disagree with you. it's just a matter of tone |
| 11:59.35 | frederik_2 | where then can i find other xen logs ? |
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| 12:00.04 | frederik_2 | in /var/log/xen i haven't found anything usefull |
| 12:00.06 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: okay, I hear the way, if I am rude it is via mistake or learning |
| 12:00.17 | SynrGy | l3archos: or maybe use some gnome extensions for that? |
| 12:00.35 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: I'm sorry, and I will not so much say things that come to mind here |
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| 12:01.47 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: I'm actually mainly a slackware user |
| 12:01.58 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: but I use debian stuff too |
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| 12:02.30 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: I'm just some odd guy that knew(knows) c back in the day |
| 12:03.15 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: having an IPA, its spring brake, meaning, I can relax as well |
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| 12:03.44 | frederik_2 | is it possible that xen-tools need to be installed in the vm ? |
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| 12:05.12 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: I normally get taken in this way [sometimes] where I think I know what I'm talking about |
| 12:05.44 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: I'm trying, to see the other side :) |
| 12:05.48 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: ok. (though this whole discussion is probably better for #debian-offtopic) |
| 12:05.53 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: thanks for your efforts |
| 12:06.02 | rabbitear_sdf | no worries, thanks too |
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| 12:06.09 | jonny_ | Hi, is there a set of pkgs for pg-9.4.1 that works with wheezy? |
| 12:06.14 | l3archos | SynrGy: already looked for some, but there is no extension for that. But however, thanks |
| 12:06.33 | SynrGy | frederik_2: again, this whole topic is outside my area of expertise. but maybe if you can focus your questions better and lurk here a while, someone can help. |
| 12:06.43 | SynrGy | l3archos: i'm happier with cinnamon |
| 12:06.47 | SynrGy | ,v cinnamon |
| 12:06.48 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.16-5; jessie: 2.2.16-5; experimental: 2.4.6-1 |
| 12:06.53 | SynrGy | ,v cinnamon-desktop |
| 12:06.54 | judd | No package named 'cinnamon-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 12:06.59 | l3archos | SynrGy: I used Cinnamon on my old LMDE machine. |
| 12:07.03 | SynrGy | l3archos: only available for jessie, however. |
| 12:07.07 | l3archos | it's pretty ok, too. But I also like Gnome :) |
| 12:07.31 | l3archos | SynrGy: when I install cinnamon, will it affect somehow my actual gnome installation? I think it should work, right? On the login screen I could choose Cinnamon then? |
| 12:07.33 | SynrGy | seems to be a good compromise between gnome3's modern goodness and a good old, familiar desktop paradigm centred around a panel |
| 12:07.36 | jonny_ | , v postgresql |
| 12:07.37 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- squeeze-security: 8.4.20-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.21-0squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 8.4.22lts1-0+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; jessie: 9.4+165; sid: 9.4+166 |
| 12:08.05 | SynrGy | l3archos: well, you can switch freely between cinnamon and gnome, if that's what you're asking |
| 12:08.14 | jelly | jonny_: you can ask that bot in private using /msg judd v something |
| 12:08.17 | SynrGy | gives you a chance to try things out |
| 12:08.20 | l3archos | ok, I'll give a try. Let me look for cinnamon and install it now ... |
| 12:08.22 | SynrGy | i.e. they are co-installable |
| 12:08.30 | SynrGy | l3archos: on jessie, right? |
| 12:08.39 | l3archos | yes |
| 12:08.52 | SynrGy | it's somewhat lacking in extensions at the moment ... |
| 12:09.01 | SynrGy | but well-enough supported for me, personally, for daily use. |
| 12:09.20 | l3archos | about installing cinnamon... |
| 12:09.26 | l3archos | brb |
| 12:10.35 | jonny_ | jelly, so in your estimation there would be a difference between myself and synrgy? |
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| 12:11.36 | jonny_ | if not, you would have said that to him since he "violated" by trying to get info he was interested in first |
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| 12:11.43 | l3archos | SynrGy: ok, I installed it and logged in now. I'll have to play around and customize it in the next days and I'll compare |
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| 12:15.02 | SynrGy | jonny_: the difference is the audience. |
| 12:15.26 | SynrGy | jonny_: the bots are there to help the group help users, and keep the answers in public so the whole group knows what has been shared. |
| 12:15.39 | SynrGy | jonny_: but if you have a personal inquiry, please message the bot. |
| 12:15.41 | SynrGy | !message the bot |
| 12:15.46 | SynrGy | !msg the bot |
| 12:15.46 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
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| 12:16.33 | SynrGy | l3archos: yep. have fun |
| 12:17.06 | jonny_ | and how do you know I didn't want to have "the whole group knows what has been shared"? |
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| 12:19.27 | SynrGy | jonny_: are you going to just argue with our rules or comply? because i have no patience for it. |
| 12:20.19 | SynrGy | if it's a personal inquiry, msg the bot, as is our convention. if it's a help session involving another user, then use one of the public forms. either !topic, or !tell user topic |
| 12:20.24 | jelly | jonny_: there seems to be no previous discussion about pgsql in recent logs. It's not my intent to make you feel isolated for violating some rules, just to show you a way to get more info without cluttering the channel |
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| 12:20.34 | SynrGy | jelly++ |
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| 12:21.54 | jelly | usually when someone repeats a query syntax in the channel for an unrelated package, it is because they simply do not know they can ask in /msg |
| 12:23.00 | g00se | Hoping the answer is yes, but does mke2fs alter the partition table to the correct value or must one do it explicitly? |
| 12:23.43 | l3archos | SynrGy: hey cool! the nasty bug in Remmina where the top bar didn't appear is working FINE in Cinnamon. Yeah! :) |
| 12:23.44 | jelly | g00se: it does not touch the partition table or that "type" byte value at all. In general, linux doesn't care about that byte really |
| 12:24.09 | SynrGy | l3archos: awesome |
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| 12:24.24 | SynrGy | l3archos: although i've discovered if you resize the screen, remmina's top bar goes all strange. |
| 12:24.31 | SynrGy | l3archos: i have to quit it and reconnect |
| 12:24.44 | l3archos | SynrGy: did you try customized resolution sizes ? |
| 12:24.52 | l3archos | me for example, I'm using 1919x1079 |
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| 12:25.08 | l3archos | when I used the default one 1920x1080 it broke everything (in Gnome) |
| 12:25.20 | l3archos | I don't know if it'll help in Cinnamon though |
| 12:25.24 | l3archos | ymmv |
| 12:25.26 | SynrGy | l3archos: just fullscreen |
| 12:25.32 | l3archos | affected also ;) |
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| 12:25.43 | l3archos | but I'm talking about Gnome, I don't know how it's processed in Cinnamon |
| 12:25.49 | l3archos | worth a try ;) |
| 12:25.51 | g00se | jelly: Ah. So let's say that i'm going to install Wheezy on it afterwards, the installer wouldn't see NTFS and start getting confused? |
| 12:26.07 | jelly | right |
| 12:26.12 | jonny_ | jelly, do you think it's possible to build the pg 9.4.1 packages under wheezy? |
| 12:26.23 | SynrGy | l3archos: in /win 4 |
| 12:26.25 | SynrGy | oops |
| 12:26.32 | l3archos | if I could stick my desktop icon "Irfanview" somehow to the bottom bar? Huhmm...can't get it to work. Is it possible at all (because it's a wine application) ? |
| 12:26.40 | g00se | jelly: You mean, no it wouldn't get confused? ;) |
| 12:26.41 | SynrGy | l3archos: i had to get the door and had something else typed :) |
| 12:26.53 | l3archos | np |
| 12:26.57 | SynrGy | and yes, you can do that |
| 12:27.06 | SynrGy | right-click the bar and add a launcher, i mean |
| 12:27.14 | SynrGy | you just need a .desktop file for it somewhere |
| 12:27.32 | SynrGy | ~/.local/share/applications/ or so |
| 12:27.40 | Pulec | Hi, I would need some brainstorming, I have this theoretical situation: |
| 12:27.41 | Pulec | Consider you are managing some servers. On each of these servers there is a critical |
| 12:27.41 | Pulec | application. The application stores certain files in the temp directory (e.g: /tmp). Several times |
| 12:27.42 | Pulec | a day you receive âdisk is fullâ events for this location. |
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| 12:27.45 | l3archos | where do I get the .desktop file from ? |
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| 12:27.54 | Pulec | ups |
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| 12:28.08 | l3archos | Pulec: :) |
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| 12:28.31 | Pulec | did you see the whole situation? |
| 12:28.37 | SynrGy | l3archos: um, there's some wine thingy that makes them iirc ... |
| 12:28.46 | SynrGy | that has been my experience |
| 12:28.50 | SynrGy | but i forget what |
| 12:28.50 | Pulec | several times a day disk is full event |
| 12:29.05 | l3archos | SynrGy: can you explain what I need to add Irfanview to the bottom bar on the left side (where iceweasel, terminal, etc... is located) in detail? |
| 12:29.07 | g00se | 'for this location' The directory is not relevant then, is it? |
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| 12:29.38 | l3archos | Pulec: I would check why the disks get full and fix that first ;) |
| 12:29.56 | Pulec | good |
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| 12:30.23 | Pulec | the result of this situation should be script that does all recoomended actions |
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| 12:30.56 | l3archos | SynrGy: ok solved, got it :) |
| 12:31.03 | SynrGy | l3archos: wish i could. all i remember is that i ran the installer of some program in wine, and when the windows installer itself created a desktop icon (i clicked that option in the installer) it created the .desktop file |
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| 12:31.14 | SynrGy | l3archos: ah, k. more or less like i described? |
| 12:31.24 | markotitel | cd |
| 12:31.32 | l3archos | it was just as easy ==> click on bottom left the start menu, search for "irfanview", right-click on it, and add it to the bottom bar. That's it! :) |
| 12:31.39 | markotitel | wrong window :) |
| 12:31.54 | SynrGy | l3archos: yay. so apparently wine already did that. you can use find in ~/.local/applications and see |
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| 12:32.02 | l3archos | great, thx |
| 12:32.11 | SynrGy | errr, |
| 12:32.16 | SynrGy | ~/.local/share/applications |
| 12:32.16 | apt | [/.local/share/applications] pretty standard |
| 12:32.29 | SynrGy | pfft. thanks, apt |
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| 12:34.23 | l3archos | the hotkey combination fn+F6 doesn't work on my Jessie system. "acpi_listen" and even "xev" do NOT respond and show any output when I press Fn+F6. Other combinations like fn+F1, fn+F2, fn+F3 work... Do I need to patch my kernel somehow, and if so how? |
| 12:34.55 | SynrGy | i'm out. errands |
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| 12:36.03 | g00se | l3archos: Well that would be a bug, no? |
| 12:36.50 | l3archos | g00se: would it? |
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| 12:38.22 | g00se | Sounds like it |
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| 12:40.21 | Kaceytron | yo, my computer got an Nvidia graphic card, what can I install on Debian Jessie to get the best of it (including proprietary software)? |
| 12:41.55 | Brigo | !tell Kaceytron about nvidia |
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| 12:42.28 | larryone | hello happy debfolk |
| 12:42.47 | larryone | I am having trouble trying to pin an installation package to a particular repo |
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| 12:43.11 | Kaceytron | Brigo: ? |
| 12:43.22 | Brigo | Kaceytron, yes? |
| 12:43.32 | Kaceytron | ah that pm |
| 12:43.37 | larryone | setting the Pin-Priority in /etc/apt/preferences isn't working in quite the way that I am expecting |
| 12:44.00 | Brigo | Kaceytron, it was a bot, dpkg. |
| 12:44.31 | Kaceytron | yep got it, thanks |
| 12:44.33 | l3archos | !tell l3archos about nvidia |
| 12:44.35 | larryone | does the preferences file have some kind of processing where later entries overwrite the previous ones? |
| 12:44.56 | larryone | as in, if I specify a package in an entry, but a wildcard in a later one |
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| 12:47.29 | Brigo | Kaceytron, if any other problem just ask again :) |
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| 12:47.55 | Kaceytron | should be fine thanks :) |
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| 12:59.23 | netan | hi all, I try to set up unprivileged containers and have successfully upgraded to jessi and got systemd running |
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| 13:00.27 | netan | ..but acording to this guide http://www.flockport.com/lxc-using-unprivileged-containers/ I need to apt get "systemd-services" but there are no such package |
| 13:00.45 | netan | do anybody know about a guide for debian ? |
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| 13:01.52 | jonny_ | netan, you can look up packages at packages.debian.org |
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| 13:03.10 | jonny_ | judd the bot also knows some things. look at this, which you can also do in /msg: |
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| 13:03.48 | jonny_ | judd, versions systemd-services |
| 13:03.49 | judd | No package named 'systemd-services' was found in i386. |
| 13:04.44 | jonny_ | hmm. looks like it was referring to stuff that's not contained in a debian package |
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| 13:05.58 | jonny_ | so, to find these service programs for systemd, maybe there is a systemd website and if you look there, maybe you can find them |
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| 13:06.27 | jelly | netan: that guide seems to be made for ubuntu, not debian |
| 13:07.12 | netan | jonny_, I did not understand what you mean, I been looking at https://packages.debian.org/testing/kernel/ but are there some way to do a search? |
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| 13:07.33 | netan | jellow, yes, I can not find any documentation for Debian |
| 13:08.40 | netan | jonny_, what do you mean with "the bot also knows some things. look at this, which you can also do in /msg" ? |
| 13:09.18 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to put chained commands into background? |
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| 13:09.55 | JyZyXEL | like if i want "mdadm --wait /dev/md1; mdadm --stop /dev/md1" to the background |
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| 13:10.24 | jonny_ | netan, judd's response states there isn't a package in debian by that name... I'm curious tho, can you say more about where the message you got about systemd-services came from? |
| 13:10.28 | jelly | netan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=systemd-services suggests a package with that name does not exist in ubuntu either, but is Provided as a virtual package by "systemd". |
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| 13:11.05 | jelly | netan: so if you have "systemd", and if ubuntu's packaging does not stray from debian's too much, maybe the functionality you need will be there |
| 13:11.24 | netan | jonny_, I miss one of your replies, sorry and thanks |
| 13:11.52 | jonny_ | jelly, so is it possible he already has the service programs? |
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| 13:12.21 | netan | jellow, wait, I have to check |
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| 13:13.17 | jelly | and please try not to highlight that other guy so much, he'll be mad at me |
| 13:13.34 | jonny_ | who, jellow? |
| 13:13.50 | jelly | I just said not to do that. |
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| 13:14.22 | abrotman | or get a client that does the sensible thing :) |
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| 13:14.46 | jelly | tab-last-matching-active-nickname? |
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| 13:15.11 | jonny_ | he won't be too mad at you... you didn't do anything except predate his nick |
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| 13:15.37 | abrotman | jelly: what .. that's a thing?! |
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| 13:16.26 | jelly | netan: see if your xchat has Settings -> Preferences -> Interface -> Input box -> Nick completion -> Nick completion sorted: Last-spoke order |
| 13:16.54 | jelly | abrotman: it's a thing! |
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| 13:19.16 | netan | jelly, sorry for using wrong nic and thanks for tell me how to set " Last-spoke order" |
| 13:21.00 | netan | maybe I better try to find some documentation for debian and unprivileged containers, anybody know if something exist ? |
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| 13:22.33 | jelly | netan: this looks like fresh new functionality. If it relies on systemd features, try asking in #debian-systemd over on irc.oftc.net network. Also for testing questions there might be more clueful people in #debian-next, also on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:25.01 | netan | jelly, thanks! |
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| 13:26.46 | jonny_ | looking for the later debian codenames... apt the bot has an old copy |
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| 13:35.44 | TomyWork | if one package lists another under "Replaces", can they be installed at the same time? |
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| 13:38.05 | TomyWork | the manual only lists Replaces in combination with another fields, like Breaks or Conflicts |
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| 14:11.04 | watmm | Maybe someone can help, a terrifying thing just happened |
| 14:11.13 | watmm | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 14:11.24 | watmm | Then dpkg -l listed only gcc |
| 14:11.33 | watmm | I copied /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 to /var/lib/dpkg/status, now an upgrade tries to install binutils, despite it being installed |
| 14:11.44 | ksk | watmm: why didnt you run what apt told you ? :> |
| 14:11.53 | watmm | I did |
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| 14:17.32 | watmm | ok it looks like a legitimate binutils upgrade, but...dpkg: warning: unable to stat old post-removal script '/var/lib/dpkg/info/binutils.postrm': Stale file handle |
| 14:18.21 | jelly | watmm: check dmesg for filesystem and disk issues |
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| 14:24.07 | watmm | jelly: there was a major issue eartlier where i had to switch the machine off |
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| 14:26.49 | hikenboot | hi what package reinstall causes inittab to be regenerated? |
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| 14:29.43 | jelly | watmm: that also serves as an explanation for possible filesystem corruption |
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| 14:33.28 | jelly | watmm: so standard procedures apply... check your hardware, fsck your filesystem, see if the OS boots, _then_ look which files are lost |
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| 14:36.58 | Blueer | is there some better backup software then backuppc or bareos? |
| 14:37.54 | htqp | Blueer: g/rsync, git |
| 14:38.48 | jelly | htqp: those are more like tools upon which a backup system might be built, but not backup solutions per se |
| 14:39.17 | jelly | rsnaphost or dirvish would be examples of backup software built on rsync |
| 14:39.24 | jelly | rsnapshot |
| 14:39.39 | htqp | great, thanks |
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| 14:43.50 | Blueer | i used rdiff-backup some years ago |
| 14:44.04 | Blueer | for a year now obnam, but it sucks on big installations |
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| 14:44.25 | Blueer | does many tb traffic on one 100gb server |
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| 14:46.21 | tErik | Hi, in ssh, "scponly" option can restrict certain set of users for accessing files+foldes only. how do i restrict & chroot certain set of users in ssh, to only use a chrooted bind's 127.0.01 port 53 tcp+udp only ? |
| 14:46.34 | WormFood | Does anyone else have a problem with "cheese" being super dark, when it takes a picture on Jessie? It worked fine on previous versions. |
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| 14:48.12 | tErik | i dont want those set of ssh users to access any files inside their chroot env or chrooted bind/named's any file. |
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| 14:50.45 | tErik | in sshd, how can i configure it to allow users to access only specific local port (for example port 53), and they cannot have access to any file, how to do that ? |
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| 14:54.58 | abrotman | tErik: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 14:58.38 | tErik | my+our laptops, will use server's bind dns server, configured as caching dnssec enabled dns server, but user will use it via a SSH tunnel, this ssh tunnel's user lets say pc1, pc2, etc, can only use the port 53 tcp+udp of server's bind dns server, they must not be able to access any files. just ssh connection for using specific network port, not for any files. |
| 15:01.10 | bezaban | ssh might not be your best bet. |
| 15:01.36 | bezaban | openvpn and iptables per[Chaps |
| 15:03.34 | bezaban | or ssh in a jail of some sorts, but seems pointless as opposed to doing something that won't grant local access |
| 15:03.38 | tErik | there should be some option to force users to only use network-traffics, and deny any access to any files. |
| 15:04.32 | bezaban | not sure that's in the scope of ssh. It's a service to grant access (also facilitates all kinds of firewall-defying tricks) |
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| 15:08.48 | tErik | i'm putting one sshd (lets call it 2nd sshd) entirely inside a chroot, so that all users is inside chroot. this 2nd-sshd, i think i will keep all files as read-only mode, and restrict user to access only one ip&port, 127.0.0.1:5353, thats where chrooted named is listening for dns queries. |
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| 15:15.54 | jelly | tErik: do you know how to put custom ports in (chrooted) /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:19.39 | tErik | jelly, i see some options+info here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/resolv.conf |
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| 15:23.08 | larryone | is there an easy way to mirror just two packages of a repo on a local server? |
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| 15:24.52 | cinnamon | Hi do you guys recommond debian as a good free software os for beginners? |
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| 15:25.34 | cinnamon | why was there a disagreement between debian and gnu/linux? https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 15:25.56 | jelly | cinnamon: if you're prepared to help and admin those new users, yes |
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| 15:27.07 | centrx | cinnamon, FSF disapproves of the fact that Debian distributes some non-free packages, even though they are not part of the main Debian distribution |
| 15:27.24 | cinnamon | and why does debian include them? |
| 15:27.48 | centrx | cinnamon, Because they are important or even essential for users (especially non-free firmware for wifi cards) |
| 15:27.50 | johnkeates | cinnamon: because life gets really hard if debian doesn't. |
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| 15:27.54 | jelly | cinnamon: it does not. They're merely hosted on same infrastructure. |
| 15:28.23 | jelly | debian does not contain non-free software as defined by DFSG |
| 15:28.23 | cinnamon | yeah I understand |
| 15:28.28 | centrx | cinnamon, It's kept explicitly separate |
| 15:28.43 | kodapa | you have to enable the 'non-free' repository |
| 15:29.08 | jelly | however, for practical reasons, there are some non-free bits on same mirrors because they make debian a lot more usable on some hardware |
| 15:29.19 | jelly | !tell cinnamon about non-free |
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| 15:30.49 | cinnamon | However I am using ubuntu right now which is debian based |
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| 15:31.15 | jelly | ubuntu has a lot more non-free components readily available |
| 15:31.20 | cinnamon | and it works well out of the box but the non-free is more ingrained with the free and there is a weak manifesto and amazon leaks |
| 15:31.26 | cinnamon | and I don't like that |
| 15:31.34 | johnkeates | well, don't use ubuntu :p |
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| 15:32.11 | jelly | cinnamon: debian and fsf have been working for a long time on reaching some sort of consensus, http://lwn.net/Articles/505085/ |
| 15:32.12 | cinnamon | on the other hand debian seems alot more userfriendly than gnewsense gnulinux, even though that is the pure free software |
| 15:32.34 | cinnamon | Do you think the debate is merited or frivolous? |
| 15:32.51 | cinnamon | because both are very concerned with free software |
| 15:33.03 | cinnamon | and free software doesn't mean everything |
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| 15:33.25 | centrx | If you need the non-free software to run on your computer, it's not frivolous |
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| 15:34.13 | cinnamon | I think it says on their website fsf that many packages in debian depend on non-free software so assume that under the guideness of the debian manifesto |
| 15:34.32 | centrx | That's not correct, packages in main do not depend on non-free |
| 15:34.59 | centrx | You will not accidentally bring in non-free software if you have only the "main" section in your sources.list |
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| 15:35.15 | yei | hello |
| 15:35.27 | centrx | yeillo |
| 15:36.00 | miskatonic | I only have main |
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| 15:37.21 | jelly | cinnamon: such a dependency, if it existed, would be a severe bug in the offending package, and reason to remove it from debian if unfixed. This is further defined in Debian's packaging policy. |
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| 15:37.35 | jelly | cinnamon: so... [[citation needed]] |
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| 15:38.24 | DammitJim | I just installed chrome |
| 15:38.35 | DammitJim | do I need to reboot for it to show up in my update-alternatives? |
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| 15:39.24 | jelly | DammitJim: no, it ought to be listed in "update-alternatives --list x-www-browser" right away |
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| 15:40.23 | jelly | DammitJim: google's packaging of chrome seems decent that way |
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| 15:50.19 | Halbard | Hi, I want to install a program which requires glibc6 >=2.14 but debian is currently on 2.13, is it possible to install current version libc6_2.19-15 from jessie? |
| 15:51.17 | miskatonic | if it is backported |
| 15:51.41 | centrx | Halbard, You could upgrade your system to jessie, but without a backport you can't safely upgrade just the libc6 package without upgrading the rest of your system. |
| 15:52.08 | centrx | Halbard, What's the program? |
| 15:52.18 | Halbard | viber |
| 15:52.28 | jelly | Halbard: that's not really a safe thing to do |
| 15:54.05 | Halbard | so upgrading to jessie would be a safest option? |
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| 15:54.26 | centrx | Yes |
| 15:55.00 | centrx | Actually, the safest option is not to use non-free third-party software |
| 15:55.02 | Halbard | I'm not really sure how to do that. |
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| 15:55.28 | centrx | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 15:55.28 | dpkg | Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support to be cautious; ask me about <testing security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 15:56.05 | DammitJim | weird jelly , only iceweasel shows |
| 15:56.28 | jelly | DammitJim: how exactly did you install chrome? |
| 15:56.55 | DammitJim | dpkg -i google....deb |
| 15:56.55 | dpkg | package google....deb is already installed |
| 15:57.01 | jelly | if you got google's google-chrome-stable_whatever.deb package for debian it ought to have created that stuff |
| 15:57.12 | DammitJim | something got borked, then |
| 15:57.23 | jelly | nod |
| 15:57.42 | sine0 | what do i need to read/write ntfs |
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| 15:57.46 | jelly | DammitJim: run apt-get update, then show output of "apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable" and just "apt-cache policy" |
| 15:57.52 | centrx | sine0, ntfs-3g |
| 15:57.52 | Halbard | centrx: I have already installed viber using gdebi but it wont work because there is not libc6-2.14 |
| 15:58.24 | Halbard | I have no idea why gdebi didn't warn me about unmet dependecies |
| 15:58.47 | miskatonic | soon er or later, Jessie will go stable |
| 15:58.49 | centrx | Halbard, May be a poorly made package that doesn't have the right dependencies listed |
| 15:58.59 | DammitJim | jelly, it says Installed: 41.0.2272.76-1 |
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| 16:00.17 | Halbard | centrx: thats possible, actually there are no listed dependencies, I had to manually run ./viber to see what will phappen |
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| 16:07.04 | Halbard | Do I have to remove stable-specific lines or it will be enough to just comment them? |
| 16:08.51 | htqp | you may want to create a chroot for both keeping wheezy stable and keeping viber out of your personal data |
| 16:09.29 | htqp | https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 16:10.55 | DammitJim | brb |
| 16:11.00 | DammitJim | let's see if it shows up after reboot |
| 16:12.00 | Halbard | there is also a .zip version of viber but I dont know how to properly integrate required libraries so that viber executable can find them |
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| 16:20.47 | cinnamon | which version of debian do you recommend beginners? |
| 16:20.54 | cinnamon | testing or stable? |
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| 16:20.56 | cinnamon | I see thunderbird is from 10 to 30 |
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| 16:22.06 | centrx | cinnamon, stable has icedove 31.5 |
| 16:22.19 | cinnamon | oh i see |
| 16:22.32 | frangor | you can use backports from mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:22.50 | cinnamon | so how sohuld i go about replacing ubuntu with debian? |
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| 16:22.56 | cinnamon | reinstalling whole thing or dual boot? |
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| 16:23.58 | centrx | cinnamon, Up to you if you want to dual boot, either way a new installation is the best way |
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| 16:29.44 | cinnamon | are there any guides to switching to debian from ubuntu? |
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| 16:33.14 | centrx | cinnamon, Debian and Ubuntu are fundamentally similar, any good Debian install guide will do - https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en - http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html |
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| 16:33.38 | centrx | cinnamon, If you're talking about migrating from Ubuntu to Debian without doing a fresh install, that's not recommended and is likely to fail. |
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| 16:34.14 | centrx | cinnamon, https://www.google.com/search?q=what%27s+different+between+debian+and+ubuntu |
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| 16:43.50 | frostschutz | watmm, if all else fails, a @reboot cron job? |
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| 16:46.42 | watmm | Interesting. But doesn't cron require a path to something to run? The issue is you can only run it on un-mounted devices |
| 16:47.42 | htqp | then do it in the initramfs |
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| 16:50.09 | srg | Is http.debian.net a replacement for ftp.us.debian.org ? |
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| 16:52.55 | DammitJim | jelly, I'm blind... didn't see that I had problems with some dependencies |
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| 16:56.19 | centrx | srg, http.debian.net is a mirror redirector that chooses the best mirror for you based on network/geographic location |
| 16:56.46 | centrx | srg, So yes it is a suitable replacement |
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| 17:01.07 | srg | centrx: Thanks |
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| 17:06.03 | srg | centrx: ftp.us.debian.org should have all the same repos that http.debian.net does, right? I ask because the mozilla.debian.net page says to use http.debian.net |
| 17:06.49 | srg | Like, it has 'unstable' and 'experimental'? |
| 17:07.29 | jelly | yes |
| 17:07.31 | centrx | srg, http.debian.net incorporates that info in choosing what mirror to use |
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| 17:07.56 | jelly | !tell srg about hdn |
| 17:07.57 | centrx | maybe that's only for architecture |
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| 17:09.34 | polyphagia | !tell polyphagia about hdn |
| 17:10.02 | centrx | !tell polyphagia about msg |
| 17:10.46 | srg | lol |
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| 17:26.59 | cinnamon | does thinkpad work on debia? |
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| 17:29.09 | centrx | cinnamon, Lenovo Thinkpad laptops? Yes |
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| 17:33.53 | cinnamon | how do you deal with wifi on thinkpads? |
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| 17:35.06 | rwp | We deal with wifi on thinkpads very well. Thank you for asking. |
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| 17:37.10 | cinnamon | lol |
| 17:37.15 | cinnamon | I mean it doesnt work out of the box right |
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| 17:37.35 | mo1991reg | cinnamon - you probably will need some firmware from the non-free section |
| 17:37.40 | mo1991reg | for the wifi |
| 17:37.48 | cinnamon | but how can you install it if you get no wifi to work? |
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| 17:37.55 | mo1991reg | and potentially for the video card |
| 17:38.44 | mo1991reg | wired connection. Or get the wifi drivers from non-free ahead of time and move to a usb drive or cd. During install it will normally find the wifi card and ask if you have the firmware to be installed |
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| 17:40.30 | mo1991reg | I have installed using only wifi - but I had put the drivers on via a usb stick. It's easiest to just use wired connection to do install and get wifi drivers like that, or to have another computer that is Internet ready to pull the required drivers needed to a usb drive if you don't know what your wifi chipset is before install |
| 17:41.28 | rwp | I always boot a live cd first on new systems and then check what drivers will be needed. Using "lspci". |
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| 17:41.47 | mo1991reg | this is the disadvantage of not having "non-free" included by default - but also a big advantage of really knowing what "non-free" packages you install - aka control over what non-free installs |
| 17:42.07 | mo1991reg | rwp has a good idea as well |
| 17:42.13 | cinnamon | can you choose th ewifi as a exception |
| 17:42.21 | mo1991reg | typically you really only need to make sure you have the wifi firmware for the install |
| 17:42.24 | rwp | For good information resources on ThinkPads http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 17:42.25 | cinnamon | so when u include non free yo ucant decide? |
| 17:42.35 | rwp | You can find a lot of information about your make and model there. |
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| 17:42.39 | centrx | cinnamon, There is an installer that comes with non-free firmware |
| 17:42.45 | rwp | But there are variations. Best to check your exact device. |
| 17:43.06 | centrx | cinnamon, You can also do a wired install then download the non-free firmware, or install it with external media |
| 17:43.29 | centrx | s/wired/wired or ISO/ |
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| 18:16.51 | GrosMerlu | hi, can I get the top panel in dark with Gnome in classic mode? |
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| 18:19.45 | sailcat | GrosMerlu, you can make it as dark as you want, but you might want to use gnome-color-chooser to set a light panel font and dark background so you can read it. |
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| 18:20.38 | Guest29636 | booting debian on my macbook laptop sometimes hangs. It seems like it is at different points each time, and sometimes it works (often, but not always, when I set rescue/enable=true as boot parameter). |
| 18:20.57 | Guest29636 | how can I figure out what is wrong? |
| 18:21.02 | GrosMerlu | sailcat: doesnt the "Global dark theme" switch in Tweak Tool take care of that? |
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| 18:21.40 | sailcat | GrosMerlu, i don't know. maybe. |
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| 18:22.37 | sailcat | GrosMerlu, in my experience, all of the dark themes have font legibility problems unless you also use gnome-color-chooser. |
| 18:22.56 | GrosMerlu | sailcat: alright, I will test then |
| 18:23.18 | GrosMerlu | thx for the help |
| 18:23.22 | sailcat | yep |
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| 18:28.11 | cinnamon | whats the fastest way to backup as little files and install debian? |
| 18:28.47 | mtn | cinnamon: copy and paste to external drive |
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| 18:33.48 | g00se | task-xfce-desktop appears to be broken ( http://paste.debian.net/159966/ ) I _think_ i understand why, but don't know what to do about it. Can you help? |
| 18:34.06 | rozie | g00se: report a bug |
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| 18:34.36 | rozie | reportbug-ng - Easy to use alternative to Debian's classic reportbug |
| 18:34.46 | rozie | nice tool with GUI |
| 18:35.09 | jelly | g00se: what command line results in that output? |
| 18:36.14 | g00se | aptitude install task-xfce4-desktop |
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| 18:36.55 | g00se | s/4// |
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| 18:38.01 | jelly | g00se: alright. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy tzdata-java tzdata" |
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| 18:39.23 | trysten | does anyone have experience making a bootable harddisk from within debian? i'm trying to get a debootstrapped partition to boot. i think one thing i really could use is some kind of emulator i can point at the partition |
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| 18:40.36 | RoyK | trysten: what're you trying to do? |
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| 18:42.17 | g00se | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/159967/ http://paste.debian.net/159968/ |
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| 18:43.18 | trysten | RoyK. i have a harddisk in my machine. i want to take it out and put it in another machine and have it boot right up |
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| 18:44.44 | g00se | trysten: is the machine identical to the one you're on now? |
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| 18:46.03 | Deniska80 | Hello. My hoster add disk to server, as a result debian boot only in inintramfs. it search boot on sda3, but now it on sdb3. |
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| 18:46.11 | trysten | g00se: it's not |
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| 18:46.45 | SynrGy | Deniska80: should be temporarily fixable in grub boot menu. edit it to root=/dev/sdb3 |
| 18:46.46 | Deniska80 | i sad in initramfs 'boot=/dev/sdb3', and what next? ^)) |
| 18:46.51 | srg | What's the difference between "testing" and "testing-updates" suites? |
| 18:46.52 | SynrGy | root= |
| 18:47.10 | g00se | Then you're asking for trouble attempting it in that way |
| 18:47.11 | jelly | g00se: downgrade that tzdata package back to what's available in wheezy. |
| 18:47.12 | Deniska80 | SynrGy : thx. i think it possible from initramfs |
| 18:47.23 | SynrGy | Deniska80: do it from the grub boot prompt instead. |
| 18:47.45 | jelly | g00se: eg. aptitude install tzdata=2014j-0wheezy1 |
| 18:48.13 | g00se | jelly: OK thanks. I wonder how this got borked? |
| 18:48.24 | RA3OR | Any germans here? what does 'Systemspeicher' mean ? |
| 18:48.39 | RA3OR | Der richtige systemspeicher wurde nicht gefunden |
| 18:48.43 | BigMouthCommie | i m running jessie, and under gnome (not an issue in lxde) my left control key is non-functioning |
| 18:48.53 | jelly | g00se: I _think_ the 2015something version _was_ available at some point in the repo, but was problematic and got removed |
| 18:49.17 | BigMouthCommie | it breaks a lot of my shortcuts (and makes emacs next to unusable) |
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| 18:49.26 | trysten | g00se: are you sure? i thought the system was pretty dynamic when loading drivers and whatnot. i have done essentially the same thing before. actually, i'm just going to copy an entire working system over |
| 18:49.31 | BigMouthCommie | how do i get my control key working under gnome? |
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| 18:50.33 | jelly | BigMouthCommie: dunno, but can you run "xev" from a terminal, focus the mouse on its window, and try pressing and releasing that key to see if there's any output from xev? |
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| 18:50.44 | g00se | Thanks jelly - that fixed it |
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| 18:51.17 | g00se | trysten: you might get away with it but it's probably inadvisable |
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| 18:52.00 | trysten | g00se: ok. well, i'll just use the installer then. boo hoo |
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| 18:52.34 | g00se | e.g. you won't get told about missing firmware, will you? You will with the installer |
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| 18:53.09 | puzzola | clear |
| 18:53.27 | Deniska80 | SynrGy : ok, i boot almost normal, edit /etc/fstab. How can i permanent edit grub entry? |
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| 18:54.15 | g00se | RA3OR: Dim memory it means 'system disk' |
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| 18:54.27 | trysten | g00se: i'd expect the kernel to complain about missing firmware. i always skip that part of the installer anyways XD |
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| 18:55.00 | RA3OR | g00se: thank you |
| 18:55.17 | g00se | could be wrong ;) |
| 18:55.19 | Kippz | hey :D |
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| 18:55.59 | g00se | trysten: Well of course you'll be forced to have a 'fat kernel' as well |
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| 18:57.12 | trysten | g00se: what do you mean? is that not what the installer does? |
| 18:57.58 | g00se | It gives you a choice - fat or thin |
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| 19:00.09 | srg | What exactly is the difference between the "testing" and the "testing-updates" suites? "testing" gets updates, does it not? |
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| 19:01.23 | centrx | srg, testing-updates never has any packages as far as I've seen |
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| 19:01.54 | centrx | srg, It may be there either to simulate the complete structure of a Debian stable repo, or it might be a relic from the time when there were security updates for testing |
| 19:02.43 | srg | ah ok. |
| 19:02.45 | srg | Thanks! |
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| 19:11.03 | maziar | how to solve this error on debian wheezy ? http://pastebin.com/5CAEG4GZ |
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| 19:11.32 | centrx | maziar, postgresql-9.4 is not in wheezy |
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| 19:13.04 | maziar | centrx, i add psql repository , look at this : https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt |
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| 19:15.10 | centrx | maziar, You can try installing this libwx packages from wheezy-backports |
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| 19:15.29 | centrx | maziar, Another option is to upgrade to testing and use the postgresql-9.4 in testing |
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| 19:19.26 | maziar | centrx, how can install that from wheezy-backport ? |
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| 19:20.06 | centrx | dpkg, tell maziar about wheezy-backports |
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| 19:20.57 | hardy11 | !weather nzsp |
| 19:21.00 | dpkg | Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, Antarctica; (NZSP) 90-00S 00-00E 2835M; last updated: 2015.03.06 1750 UTC; Pressure (altimeter): 28.39 in. Hg (961 hPa); Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Visibility: 3 mile(s); Weather: -54 F (-48 C); Wind: from the E (080 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT); Windchill: -85 F (-65 C) |
| 19:21.46 | hardy11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.49 | dpkg | I can't find station code "CHATANGA" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 19:22.04 | hardy11 | !weather Oymyakon |
| 19:22.05 | digilink | [Oymyakon, Russia] Smoke. Temp is -52*C. Humidity: 55%. |
| 19:22.05 | technec_ | [Oymyakon, Russia] Smoke. Temp is -52*C. Humidity: 55%. |
| 19:22.07 | dpkg | I can't find station code "OYMYAKON" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 19:22.22 | maziar | centrx, can you tell me a "how to " for doing that ? |
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| 19:22.36 | jelly | hardy11: please play with the bot in /msg dpkg |
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| 19:23.41 | centrx | maziar, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 19:28.52 | maziar | centrx, very very thank you |
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| 19:59.38 | cariveri | Hi. how do I add a user to a group ? I tried useradd -g uucp user but it says user already existent |
| 20:00.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | man usermod |
| 20:00.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | usermod -G groupname username # i think |
| 20:01.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | sorry, wait. |
| 20:01.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | usermod -a -G groupname username # i think |
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| 20:01.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | but rtfm, as i'm an idiot. |
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| 20:02.54 | valdyn | cariveri: adduser username groupname |
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| 20:04.01 | cariveri | valdyn: whats the difference? usermod worked pretty good. unfortunately it didnt enable my users to send mails via mailq/ exim4 which I expect when they are part of the uucp rgoup |
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| 20:04.35 | valdyn | cariveri: its less typing, no real difference |
| 20:04.54 | cariveri | valdyn: thanks for your very precise answer. |
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| 20:05.17 | valdyn | cariveri: users can send mail without being in any special group |
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| 20:05.43 | cariveri | valdyn should be able you mean. |
| 20:05.51 | valdyn | cariveri: I dont know where you might have hit a permission issue |
| 20:06.15 | valdyn | cariveri: yes, of course. It's just i cannot imagine any way this might be randomly not working |
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| 20:06.43 | patachu1 | hi; got an issue on Squeeze 64bit freshly rteinstalled |
| 20:06.50 | patachu1 | >install all drivers |
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| 20:07.05 | valdyn | cariveri: the uucp group has got nothing to do with it |
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| 20:07.14 | patachu1 | >plug in an USB wireless dongle |
| 20:07.19 | cariveri | not randomly of course. its a server with exim4 (configured for local use) , then mutt is configured to use mailq alias exim4 |
| 20:07.25 | patachu1 | >nothing in the notification area |
| 20:07.36 | cariveri | but when sending with mutt. permission denied error occurs. |
| 20:07.45 | patachu1 | i also installed the firmware and everything that match, nothing does |
| 20:07.49 | valdyn | cariveri: who configured exim? |
| 20:07.53 | valdyn | cariveri: who configured mutt? |
| 20:07.57 | greycat | what do you mean, "mutt is configured to use mailq"? |
| 20:08.02 | cariveri | valdyn in the exim4 congif I foudn a section trusted users with was pointing to uucp |
| 20:08.03 | valdyn | cariveri: sending mail with mutt works by default. |
| 20:08.11 | valdyn | cariveri: ok, I see |
| 20:08.12 | greycat | Isn't mailq a command to *examine* the mail queue? |
| 20:08.33 | cariveri | greycat. ok let me check again |
| 20:08.38 | valdyn | cariveri: but thats still not for *sending* mail permissions |
| 20:08.50 | greycat | UUCP is a 1980s technology for long-distance networking with dial-up modems. |
| 20:08.50 | valdyn | cariveri: what did you do to mutt ? |
| 20:09.22 | patachu1 | irc is a 1980s technology :^) |
| 20:09.28 | greycat | You should not be messing with anything that says "uucp" on it unless you're actually doing UUCP networking, in which case you would know. |
| 20:09.37 | greycat | IRC is early 90s, I think |
| 20:10.13 | cariveri | greyat I was jsut following the clues. because I didnt find anything on the net and no one answered on #exim |
| 20:10.17 | valdyn | cariveri: or you should probably tell us what you actualy want to do with mutt |
| 20:10.55 | valdyn | cariveri: since exim being configured to do local mail only it probably makes no sense at all to even use the local mail spool for sending to remote |
| 20:10.59 | cariveri | valdyn for the time being local mail exchange on the machine for some users. some time later they will be allowed to send mails out. |
| 20:11.16 | valdyn | cariveri: ok - this works by default. |
| 20:11.23 | valdyn | cariveri: so, what else did you modify? |
| 20:12.06 | cariveri | I had mutt point to /usr/bin/mailq as sendmail command |
| 20:12.16 | valdyn | cariveri: ok, dont do that |
| 20:12.29 | valdyn | cariveri: mutt already does this correctly without you configuring anything |
| 20:12.39 | cariveri | but it didnt. |
| 20:12.51 | greycat | Undo that mailq thing, because that is very wrong. |
| 20:12.54 | valdyn | cariveri: no, it didnt do what you wanted. |
| 20:12.57 | greycat | Then figure out what else is misconfigured. |
| 20:13.18 | valdyn | cariveri: we dont know what you *wanted*. Of course mutt will send local mail just fine. You probably triggered something else. |
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| 20:13.58 | yalo | hi |
| 20:14.02 | greycat | If I understood his earlier comment, he was trying to *restrict* the sending of outgoing mail. |
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| 20:14.24 | valdyn | ok - but that was already restricted by his exim4 setup |
| 20:14.35 | yalo | when i am using gpg and trying to decrypt seed.txt file, it says gpg: unknown suffix Enter new filename: why? |
| 20:15.17 | valdyn | yalo: if you gave us the whole command, then we could try and see |
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| 20:15.50 | yalo | valdyn first i did echo "seed goes here" | gpg -c > seed.txt |
| 20:15.57 | cariveri | valdyn: mutt didnt send it just fine. there was errors al over the place, and I resolved them until here. |
| 20:15.57 | yalo | to encrypt it |
| 20:16.08 | yalo | thene i use gpg seed.txt to decrypt it |
| 20:16.19 | yalo | and this showed up |
| 20:16.32 | yalo | when i am using gpg and trying to decrypt seed.txt file, it says gpg: unknown suffix Enter new filename: why? |
| 20:16.47 | valdyn | cariveri: this does not work: We dont know what you really did, we dont know what messages you saw. But we defenitely know that mutt by default sends local mail fine. |
| 20:17.08 | trysten | where does the message spam come from on the HW console |
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| 20:17.17 | trysten | my rsyslog.conf doesn't have it |
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| 20:17.27 | valdyn | trysten: the kernel |
| 20:17.37 | yalo | valdyn you asked me then what? |
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| 20:17.46 | yalo | you know why it ask me to Enter new filename? |
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| 20:18.53 | cariveri | valdyn: I had installed mutt long before exim . and as I said it didnt even find a mailbox thus error after error. then I asked on #mutt who said exim4 is needed. I then came to this point. what do you suggest? |
| 20:18.54 | _lex | hi guys. i've a hp pro book 470 and i can't seem to get my wireless working; running on: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 debian wheezy 7.8.0 with wheezy-backports in source.list; installed linux-firmwares both free and non free and other (many) packages, still no luck, network manager does not show any wifi |
| 20:19.04 | _lex | (and no wlan0 interface is created) |
| 20:19.09 | _lex | iwlwifi installed as well |
| 20:19.18 | _lex | don't know what else to do; rebuilt initramfs many times... |
| 20:19.32 | greycat | cariveri: At this point, I would consider purging everything mail-related and starting over. Install exim4, configure it for local listening only, install mutt, test. |
| 20:19.33 | _lex | and exhausted google links |
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| 20:20.53 | valdyn | yalo: gpg doesn't know the suffix so it does not know how to name the decrypted file |
| 20:21.11 | jelly | _lex: which version of firmware-iwlwifi is installed, is it the one from wheezy-backports as well? |
| 20:21.21 | valdyn | yalo: this error wont show if you use a suffix that gpg knows try, encrypting to "seed.txt.gpg" for example |
| 20:21.22 | jelly | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:21.23 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
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| 20:21.26 | _lex | jelly: 0.36+wheezy.1 |
| 20:21.28 | yalo | vayldyn: the same of the file is seed.txt, what should i use instead of .txt then? |
| 20:21.40 | _lex | jelly: from backports, yep |
| 20:21.47 | valdyn | yalo: ^ |
| 20:21.49 | jelly | _lex: nope |
| 20:22.01 | jelly | _lex: get the one from wheezy-backports |
| 20:22.01 | yalo | valdyn: its strange because i didnt saw this message yestoday. |
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| 20:22.28 | valdyn | yalo: maybe yesterday you used the .gpg suffix |
| 20:22.40 | yalo | valdyn: no i didnt. it was the same file |
| 20:22.45 | _lex | jelly: # apt-get -t wheezy-backports install --reinstall firmware-iwlwifi <-- i get: Preparing to replace firmware-iwlwifi 0.36+wheezy.1 (using .../firmware-iwlwifi_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb) ... |
| 20:22.57 | jelly | _lex: omit the "--reinstall" option |
| 20:23.02 | valdyn | yalo: gpg did not change meanwhile |
| 20:23.35 | yalo | valdyn: i dont get it. what you mean that it not change it meanwhile? |
| 20:24.02 | valdyn | yalo: yesterday you did something different than you think, because you may forget, but gpg is just a program |
| 20:24.34 | _lex | jelly: firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version. |
| 20:24.58 | yalo | valdyn: is there no way to let the text appear on screen? instead of making a new file? |
| 20:25.41 | greycat | gpg -d writes to stdout by default |
| 20:26.20 | jelly | _lex: hm, that sounds as if wheezy-backports are not enabled properly or you did not do apt-get update since enabling it. But it's weird you do have the kernel from wheezy-backports installed. Run "apt-get update", pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 20:26.37 | jelly | !tell _lex about paste |
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| 20:27.19 | yalo | valdyn: gpg < seed.txt |
| 20:27.20 | yalo | right? |
| 20:27.52 | _lex | jelly: policy: http://sprunge.us/ZUIf ; policy iwl: http://sprunge.us/RMce |
| 20:28.20 | _lex | maybe is the mirror jelly ? |
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| 20:29.13 | cariveri | valdyn: I dont see how this would do anything. I installed it freshly and nothing worked. why would it after reinstall. |
| 20:29.32 | yalo | valdyn: what is -c -e doing? |
| 20:29.33 | yalo | to gpg? |
| 20:29.41 | yalo | gpg -c -e <filename> |
| 20:30.14 | greycat | echo "secret text" | gpg -e > foo.txt.gpg <...later...> gpg -d < foo.txt.gpg |
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| 20:31.08 | jelly | _lex: you're missing the non-free component in the wheezy-backports deb line |
| 20:31.18 | _lex | jelly: is same with that; i will update it and repaste |
| 20:31.57 | _lex | jelly: no, i'm an idiot; pardon |
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| 20:32.01 | jelly | _lex: your sources.list as well, if there's still no 0.43~bpo70+1 visible |
| 20:32.07 | _lex | jelly: i had "cotrib non-free" contrib broke it |
| 20:32.15 | jelly | huh |
| 20:32.25 | _lex | jelly: Preparing to replace firmware-iwlwifi 0.36+wheezy.1 (using .../firmware-iwlwifi_0.43~bpo70+1_all.deb) ... all fine now |
| 20:32.36 | yalo | gpg: processing message failed: eof |
| 20:32.38 | yalo | why ? |
| 20:32.47 | jelly | _lex: right, unload/reload the kernel modoule, or simply reboot |
| 20:33.06 | _lex | jelly: did that, and restarted network-manager, no luck though, trying reboot; please excuse one moment |
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| 20:35.15 | _lex | jelly: no joy :-9 |
| 20:35.50 | Contrl | On Wheezy I'd do sudo apt-get install ia32-libs and get the 32-bit libs on a 64-bit system, but with Jessie it says not available. What do I use now? |
| 20:36.05 | valdyn | !multiarch |
| 20:36.06 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 20:36.07 | _lex | jelly: kernel booted without iwlwifi probed so i had to modprobe manually now and still no luck |
| 20:36.18 | valdyn | Contrl: what dpkg said |
| 20:36.39 | Contrl | Oh, I forgot the apt-get update |
| 20:36.40 | Contrl | hurrr |
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| 20:37.13 | valdyn | Contrl: ok, ia32-libs is still gone though |
| 20:37.23 | Contrl | So, what would I use? |
| 20:37.25 | jelly | _lex: verify that it found the right firmware in dmesg / /var/log/kern.log |
| 20:37.42 | valdyn | Contrl: you use the regular packages, for example "apt-get install libc6:i386" |
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| 20:37.56 | _lex | jelly: yes, about this... some issues i get during probing at boot just before login prompt... may i paste? |
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| 20:38.28 | _lex | jelly: dmesg | grep firmware --> http://sprunge.us/KeDX |
| 20:38.41 | acz32 | can i3 be set to open windows in floating mode by default? |
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| 20:39.39 | polyphagia | yes |
| 20:40.03 | Contrl | After I do apt-get install libc6:i386 I get the following when attempting to run a 32-bit program.. error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:40.15 | valdyn | Contrl: of course |
| 20:40.39 | valdyn | Contrl: you need the package containing libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 20:41.10 | _lex | Contrl: http://sprunge.us/dURL on mine |
| 20:41.29 | valdyn | Contrl: precisely in the :i386 incarnation |
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| 20:41.43 | jelly | _lex: well... intel wireless firmware isn't going to work for realtek wifi? |
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| 20:41.45 | BigMouthCommie | jelly: i haven't switched to gnome yet to try, but i will. thanx for the tip |
| 20:42.00 | Contrl | apt-get install libstdc++6-4.9-dbg:i386 worked |
| 20:42.03 | _lex | jelly: yeah that makes sense, i wonder if its a conflict somewhere though |
| 20:42.25 | jelly | there's no conflict, you just did not install the right thing yet |
| 20:43.49 | _lex | jelly: http://sprunge.us/LFKj <- # lspci | grep -i realtek | curl -F "sprunge=<-" http://sprunge.us i've also installed pretty much every package suggested in /lib/firmware returned by apt-file --package-only search: http://sprunge.us/MUCT |
| 20:44.03 | jelly | judd: file rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin |
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| 20:44.05 | _lex | jelly: i also see some needed by 3.2.0-4 which obviously is not existing anymore on the disk |
| 20:44.06 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 20:45.36 | jelly | judd: file rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin --release wheezy-backports |
| 20:45.37 | judd | Search for rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin in wheezy-backports/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin |
| 20:45.46 | _lex | jelly: if i rebuild update-initramfs -k `uname -r` -u -> http://sprunge.us/KcEg and full lspci here: http://sprunge.us/SHOc |
| 20:45.48 | jelly | _lex: that thing. Also from wheezy-backports. |
| 20:46.10 | RoyK | just don§t use realtek stuff |
| 20:46.12 | _lex | jelly: crap... don't know why it was not upgraded, i tried just about now |
| 20:46.16 | RoyK | just don't use realtek stuff |
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| 20:46.25 | _lex | seems is fixed with it RoyK |
| 20:46.28 | RoyK | bit using realtek is like valium |
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| 20:46.37 | _lex | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 <-- no more firmware load errors |
| 20:46.38 | RoyK | _lex: get better gear |
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| 20:46.52 | _lex | pardon me a while to reboot RoyK jelly |
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| 20:47.01 | cariveri | valdyn: I reisntalled mutt and reconfigured exim4 . I refrained now from using Maildir format. sending appears to be working, though mailbox remains empty. mail.log doesnt show me anything useful. |
| 20:47.31 | valdyn | cariveri: thats ok, nothing you mentioned is a program that would log to mail.log |
| 20:47.48 | valdyn | cariveri: which mailbox is remaining empty? |
| 20:47.53 | valdyn | cariveri: run "mail" |
| 20:48.07 | greycat | Or run "ls -l /var/mail" |
| 20:48.27 | cariveri | valdyn: ther user Mailbox the was sending. I added himself to cc. |
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| 20:49.05 | cariveri | greycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 root mail 0 Mär 4 23:19 |
| 20:49.13 | valdyn | cariveri: i mean file |
| 20:49.14 | _lex | jelly: that did it!!!!! I want to hug you 1000 times, thanks a lot |
| 20:49.23 | _lex | jelly: ahhh, at last, on wifi, no more ethernet cables for me! |
| 20:49.44 | cariveri | valdyn: mail lead to "no mail for user" |
| 20:49.57 | _lex | RoyK: valium's good in this moment; upgrading fimware-realtek from wheezy-backports solved the firmware load for 3.16.0 amd64 |
| 20:50.01 | _lex | life's good |
| 20:50.02 | valdyn | cariveri: this one also works by default |
| 20:50.20 | valdyn | cariveri: who exactly did you send to literally? |
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| 20:50.44 | valdyn | cariveri: see /var/log/exim4/ btw |
| 20:50.46 | greycat | cariveri: if echo test | mail -s test "$LOGNAME" does not deliver a message to /var/mail/"$LOGNAME" then track down the exim logs and find out what happened |
| 20:51.08 | greycat | (where $LOGNAME is NOT root, because root is usually special, configured to forward all mail to a regular account) |
| 20:51.36 | valdyn | cariveri: ok, and see /etc/aliases, because there you can see where root mail is dumped |
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| 20:54.26 | cariveri | valdyn: ah that was a good hint. exim4 has its own log. that was better. I got one step closer. myuser@localhost R=local_user T=mail_spool defer (-6): mailbox /var/mail/myuser has wrong uid (0 != 1001) |
| 20:54.51 | valdyn | cariveri: i wonder how you changed that uid |
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| 20:55.05 | valdyn | cariveri: but thats easy to fix... |
| 20:55.47 | greycat | probably better to delete it, check the perms on the *directory*, and let exim recreate it |
| 20:55.51 | cariveri | well the user ids seem to be good . id of myuser reveals 1001 |
| 20:56.03 | greycat | drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 3 2012 /var/mail |
| 20:56.14 | valdyn | cariveri: of course, but the spool is owned by root, which is wrong |
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| 20:57.26 | cariveri | valdyn: so how to fix it now? |
| 20:57.49 | valdyn | cariveri: compared the permissions on /var/mail to what greycat showed you |
| 20:57.56 | valdyn | cariveri: *compare* the permissions on /var/mail to what greycat showed you |
| 20:58.09 | valdyn | cariveri: and remove the spool file, /var/mail/myuser |
| 20:58.14 | cariveri | drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 Mär 6 21:52 mail |
| 20:58.34 | greycat | good |
| 20:59.01 | cariveri | ok deleted |
| 20:59.13 | valdyn | cariveri: now you can send a mail to myuser |
| 20:59.33 | valdyn | cariveri: with mutt or like "echo "mailtext" | mail -s subject myuser" |
| 20:59.34 | greycat | There might still be one queued up, too. |
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| 20:59.42 | cariveri | valdyn: no mutt complains that /var/mail/myuser does not exist. errno = 2 |
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| 20:59.50 | greycat | Don't worry about mutt yet. |
| 21:00.17 | valdyn | cariveri: that just means that mutt cant check it for mail, but thats obvious and it will fix itself |
| 21:00.38 | cariveri | so what now? |
| 21:00.49 | valdyn | cariveri: send an email |
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| 21:02.12 | cariveri | ah ! great. thanks guys. |
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| 21:11.39 | droid909 | how to access top menu in mc? |
| 21:11.42 | droid909 | via putty |
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| 21:12.45 | droid909 | come on |
| 21:12.46 | needhelp_noob | hello, do you offer help for absolute noobs here? |
| 21:12.50 | droid909 | nobody uses mc? |
| 21:13.00 | droid909 | needhelp_noob: nobody offers anything in irc |
| 21:13.02 | needhelp_noob | ooh i know mc, that's like the norton commander in DOS days |
| 21:13.03 | droid909 | just ask |
| 21:13.09 | droid909 | right |
| 21:13.13 | needhelp_noob | what do you need? |
| 21:13.20 | needhelp_noob | F10 will take you out |
| 21:13.21 | droid909 | needhelp_noob: how to access top menu |
| 21:13.35 | needhelp_noob | oh, hmm, does mouse work? |
| 21:13.38 | needhelp_noob | right click? |
| 21:13.40 | droid909 | needhelp_noob: LEFT FILE |
| 21:13.47 | droid909 | needhelp_noob: mouse don't work ... |
| 21:13.55 | needhelp_noob | why wont you install gpm? |
| 21:13.56 | droid909 | needhelp_noob: it is over putty ssh client |
| 21:14.04 | needhelp_noob | oh i see |
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| 21:14.14 | needhelp_noob | i dont remember sorry |
| 21:14.52 | valdyn | droid909: F9 |
| 21:15.09 | droid909 | valdyn: thank you! |
| 21:15.24 | valdyn | droid909: the bottom line has those hotkeys listed... |
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| 21:15.42 | needhelp_noob | i just installed the latest debian, and i am now on a console with very small text, how can i fix it back to 80x25? |
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| 21:16.18 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: just use X |
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| 21:16.45 | DebWanabee | any people who tried installing gnome-flashback? |
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| 21:17.21 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: the console is on your native resolution by default - that can probably cause very small text in certain laptops |
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| 21:18.14 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: is the text very small in the boot manager too? |
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| 21:19.51 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: going to be hard to get help if you dont reply |
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| 21:24.08 | needhelp_noob | valdyn: i know how to fix it in lilo, i fixed it in slackware |
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| 21:24.52 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: well, are you using lilo ? |
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| 21:25.22 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: i know how to fix it in grub - but you arent answering my questions |
| 21:26.14 | needhelp_noob | valdyn: you know the BIOS screen, it starts 80x25, but after linux boots, it increases the resolution, still text mode |
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| 21:26.49 | BigMouthCommie | jelly: gnome ... fixed itself. so thank you, but your help was unnecessary... |
| 21:27.08 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: see /etc/default/grub , add GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep |
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| 21:27.44 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: you may or may not want to uncomment #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 |
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| 21:27.56 | BigMouthCommie | i have another question though: i like trasparent consoles, and i think i need to install drivers for my graphics card to enable that behavior (gnome-terminal or tilda). do you have aguess how to do that? |
| 21:28.03 | needhelp_noob | valdyn: ok and after that, do i update-grub? |
| 21:28.03 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: after any modification run "update-grub" as root |
| 21:28.06 | BigMouthCommie | i installed fglrx-driver |
| 21:28.08 | needhelp_noob | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:28.16 | BigMouthCommie | but that broke my gui |
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| 21:30.01 | needhelp_noob | valdyn: keep or "keep" ? |
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| 21:30.16 | srg | BigMouthCommie: maybe you need openGL? |
| 21:30.29 | srg | BigMouthCommie: I'm using xfce4-terminal and it works with transparency just fine |
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| 21:30.36 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: just keep is ok |
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| 21:30.46 | yalo | srg: how do you use transparency? what you installed? |
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| 21:30.56 | needhelp_noob | valdyn: ok thnnks, let me reboot to see |
| 21:30.57 | valdyn | needhelp_noob: i dont think it matters though, guess both works |
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| 21:31.21 | srg | yalo: I installed the `xfce4` package, which brings in `xfce4-terminal` and the transparency is just in the options for it. |
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| 21:31.37 | yalo | srg: what if i am using lxde? |
| 21:31.49 | yalo | is there transparency for it? |
| 21:32.02 | domovoy | if i get it right ahci and sata_mv are both sata drivers right? so if need sata_mv, ahci is not needed and won't make any difference? |
| 21:32.12 | srg | yalo: nah, there isn't. I just recently switched from lxde to xfce and like it a lot. You might be able to install xfce4-terminal on lxde without many dependacies |
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| 21:36.03 | BigMouthCommie | opengl? can you specify a pkg list srg? |
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| 21:37.42 | srg | BigMouthCommie: libgl1-mesa-dri or libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 21:38.25 | BigMouthCommie | thx srg. |
| 21:38.36 | srg | np, it may or may not help |
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| 21:38.51 | srg | actually, you might want both packages, not either |
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| 21:41.52 | BigMouthCommie | i mean my gui is completely broken now, and since i installed mesa drivers, my tty is at a ridiculous(ly low) resolution |
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| 21:42.48 | DebWanabee | gnome-session-fallback or gnome-session-flashback? which one should I get? |
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| 21:43.19 | syntroPi | i am trying to use the latest jessie/testing netinstall iso in the installer (console): when creating a partition table, then a primary partition its marked as "do not use". How would i format that to ext4 now? i only get presented XFS, FAT16, FAT32, swap, enc, raid and lvm... NO ext4 avail from console installer?? |
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| 21:44.17 | acz32 | can i3 be set to open windows in floating mode by default? |
| 21:44.21 | ompaul | ,v encrypt |
| 21:44.22 | judd | No package named 'encrypt' was found in i386. |
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| 21:45.50 | srg | BigMouthCommie: openGL support shouldn't change any resolution. It just enables software to use the OpenGL framework to render graphics... |
| 21:46.15 | syntroPi | i used this cd image here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 21:50.38 | BigMouthCommie | srg thank you for trying to help. i have just enough knowledge to be dangerous... and i am issuing commands rather recklessly. |
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| 22:01.06 | syntroPi | well http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-jessie-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso seems to be working correctly concerning the above mentioned issue though |
| 22:01.29 | needhelp_noob | valdyn: your solution didn't work, so i installed lilo and fixed it the way i know, but it is uglier now, interesting that grub booted much faster |
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| 22:02.42 | ompaul | a noob installed lilo |
| 22:02.45 | ompaul | phaints |
| 22:02.56 | needhelp_noob | ompaul: just apt-get |
| 22:03.13 | needhelp_noob | needhelp_noob: i want the 80x25 console |
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| 22:07.23 | honigkuchen | hi |
| 22:07.30 | needhelp_noob | ompaul: i want 80x25 console, can you help- |
| 22:08.49 | honigkuchen | why do I have no /boot/initrd.img......... file and how do I get it? |
| 22:09.07 | needhelp_noob | honigkuchen: install the kernel i says |
| 22:09.24 | honigkuchen | what kernel packets? |
| 22:09.37 | honigkuchen | initramfs-tools are installed |
| 22:09.50 | honigkuchen | packages |
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| 22:10.14 | ompaul | needhelp_noob: not something I've done in years - sorry no can do |
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| 22:10.52 | rabbitear_sdf | oh I love that line 'sorry no can do' |
| 22:12.18 | honigkuchen | ? |
| 22:12.19 | kyudo | how do I configure WiFi without dongle on a free is? |
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| 22:19.34 | masterm | hello. I have a bit... unconventional question. does anyone have an iso of Debian 2.2 (yes, "potato" release) for m68k laying around? I've searched the internet with no luck whatsoever :/ |
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| 22:21.00 | srg | It seems that my very simple iptables setup is killing my IPv6 connectivity. http://pastebin.com/zkKwk4T0 |
| 22:21.16 | droid909 | masterm: https://www.debian.org/releases/potato/ |
| 22:22.32 | masterm | droid909: I'm aware of this site, but I need an iso file. unfortunately debian cdimage archive starts at 3.0 |
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| 22:23.34 | droid909 | masterm: http://mirror.debianforum.de/debian-iso-archive/potato/i386/ |
| 22:23.56 | masterm | droid909: it's for i386. I need m68k. wrong architecture :) |
| 22:24.11 | droid909 | what is m68k? |
| 22:24.39 | masterm | Motorola 68000 |
| 22:24.40 | droid909 | masterm: what box do you have? |
| 22:25.01 | masterm | my box is an Amiga 1200 with Motorola 68030 @ 50Mhz |
| 22:25.24 | droid909 | masterm: this https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/13506722985_1ce0e0552d_o.jpg > |
| 22:25.25 | droid909 | ? |
| 22:26.07 | droid909 | masterm: connected to tv? |
| 22:26.58 | masterm | droid909: http://www.bygonebytes.co.uk/images/AmigaInternet.jpg that's what A1200 looks like |
| 22:27.14 | Dagger | srg: that's because you're blocking all incoming ICMPv6 that isn't to $me6 |
| 22:27.14 | masterm | it's connected to a LCD monitor via Indivision AGA internal scandoubler |
| 22:27.39 | masterm | (but that picture is not my Amiga btw) |
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| 22:28.14 | droid909 | masterm: doesn't the link i gave you, the one of CD's contains the sources? |
| 22:28.23 | droid909 | masterm: you can build for your arch? |
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| 22:28.52 | srg | Dagger: I don't understand why that would be a problem. WHy would I receive legimiate icmp6 traffic that is not sent to me? |
| 22:29.00 | masterm | well I could cross-compile but I'm not sure if I'm up to the task of building the entire Debian distro |
| 22:29.28 | Dagger | srg: it is sent to you, you're just dropping it |
| 22:29.33 | srg | Dagger: all outgoing icmp is allowed. if I ping6 google, it should send me icmp echo-response packets back to $me6, should it not? |
| 22:29.35 | srg | hm |
| 22:29.38 | srg | let me look at it |
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| 22:29.43 | Dagger | srg: specifically you're dropping everything to the link-local address, which is needed for NDP |
| 22:30.14 | droid909 | masterm: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.0/ |
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| 22:30.37 | srg | hmm |
| 22:30.40 | srg | thanks |
| 22:31.12 | droid909 | masterm: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/ |
| 22:31.21 | Dagger | srg: I'd just remove all those --dst matches... the packet won't go though INPUT if it's not addressed to one of the local machine's IPs anyway |
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| 22:32.04 | srg | Dagger: ah, that makes sense. I'm coming from openbsd's PF which is a bit different in syntax |
| 22:32.05 | masterm | droid909: is there a way to "install" it without a cd? will debootstrap handle repo that old? |
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| 22:33.20 | srg | Dagger: Oh, this system has multiple IPv6 addresses; I think I did that to block all traffic except for on $me6 |
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| 22:37.02 | Dagger | srg: I guess I'd probably put some -j DROP lines at the top for those IPs |
| 22:37.14 | Dagger | you could also just not assign them... :p |
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| 22:37.51 | Dagger | srg: also I note I have a "-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT" line in my own firewall, I guess that's needed to avoid blocking localhost connections |
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| 22:49.24 | droid909 | masterm: i don't know |
| 22:50.06 | masterm | droid909: I think I'm getting hang of it. I might now need a CD after all. thanks anyway :) |
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| 23:03.18 | preyalone | xbian is a collective name for Debian, Ubuntu, Raspbian, etc. Is there a similar collective name for RHEL, Fedora, and CentOS? |
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| 23:05.13 | phre4k | preyalone: never heard xbian, but: RPM-based and APT-based |
| 23:05.47 | preyalone | true |
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| 23:11.47 | preyalone | Hmm, *bian might be a better term, since "xbian" is specifically an XBMC edition of Debian |
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| 23:15.41 | DanDare | Hi. Im on Debian wheezy. Im trying to add lines to /etc/sysctl.conf by doing 'sysctl -w' but nothing happens. I though so it would create something inside /etc/sysctl.d but nothing there also |
| 23:15.42 | jelly | preyalone: "debian and derivatives" is precise enough |
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| 23:16.04 | DanDare | should I create some blank conf file under /etc/sysctl.d and try again ? |
| 23:16.48 | jelly | DanDare: sysctl -w just sets current values in the kernel. Use a text editor if you want permanent settings |
| 23:17.27 | DanDare | jelly, oh I see, thanks. sysctl manpage wasnt clear about it |
| 23:17.32 | jelly | in other words yes, create and edit /etc/sysctl.conf or something like /etc/sysctl.d/local |
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| 23:22.31 | domovoy | hmmm, "fsck.cramfs: compiled without -x support" can anyone recommand an easy way to extract a cramfs? |
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| 23:30.21 | DanDare | hmm I think I have a problem. IPV6 is like greek to me |
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| 23:31.44 | thewanderer1 | looks at his IPv6 T-shirt from HE.net |
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| 23:32.10 | DanDare | :) |
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| 23:32.50 | phix | DanDare: :D |
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| 23:34.11 | DanDare | phix, one day people will say "oh good old ip4 days" but nah it just looks awful to me atm |
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| 23:36.03 | Dagger | eh, it's mostly just v4 with longer addresses |
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| 23:36.59 | thewanderer1 | yeah, and SLAAC... and increased address space and no NAT |
| 23:38.06 | Blanc0 | Bonne nuit |
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| 23:41.27 | SpaghettiNoThank | hi guys, when trying a sudo command, terminal answer me with: "bash: sudo: command not found". Did Jessie forget to install me sudo? How can I do to fix that since I can't install sudo with doing sudo? :/ |
| 23:42.01 | jhutchins | My ping lag over ipv6 is nearly 10x the ipv4 lag. |
| 23:42.16 | Mousey | apt-get install sodoers |
| 23:42.20 | Dagger | jhutchins: congratulations |
| 23:42.35 | Mousey | apt-get install sudoo |
| 23:42.36 | Mousey | apt-get install sudo |
| 23:42.37 | jhutchins | Dagger: Yeah, what would google know about setting it up anyway. |
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| 23:42.42 | Mousey | kant spel |
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| 23:43.15 | jhutchins | Dagger: Actually, I read that as configurations, which I think are about as good as possible. |
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| 23:43.29 | SpaghettiNoThank | Mousey: I get "permission denied stuff" "are you root?" :/ |
| 23:43.38 | Dagger | SpaghettiNoThank: just log in as root? or change to root with "su root" |
| 23:43.48 | Mousey | or "su -" |
| 23:44.21 | SpaghettiNoThank | Dagger: dats working thank you |
| 23:44.29 | jhutchins | Dagger: There are a lot of things that are just not implemented yet, and there are a lot of web services that can't function over ipv6 architecture. Stuff that relies on IP/Hostname matches and such. |
| 23:44.33 | SpaghettiNoThank | why do I have to go threw that btw? |
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| 23:44.54 | SpaghettiNoThank | isn't sudo supposed to be install by default? I'm on a fresh clean install of Jessie RC1 |
| 23:44.57 | Mousey | SpaghettiNoThank: sudo isn't strictly necessary |
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| 23:45.21 | tremon | SpaghettiNoThank: sudo is only installed by default if you don't set a root password iirc |
| 23:45.22 | phix | DanDare: Good old IPX/SPX days :P |
| 23:45.27 | Dagger | jhutchins: all true. you should still have v6 deployed though |
| 23:45.31 | jhutchins | SpaghettiNoThank: Debian supports sudo, but comes from an era where actually working as root was more common. |
| 23:45.51 | Mousey | SpaghettiNoThank: once sudo is installed do "usermod -G sudo -a <yourusername> |
| 23:45.58 | SpaghettiNoThank | thanks guys |
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| 23:46.05 | Mousey | ..which will add you to the sudo group, and then log out, and back in, and sudo will work for your account |
| 23:46.07 | jhutchins | Dagger: If you have access to a true ipv6 backbone that can actually carry all the way through to servers you use, sure. |
| 23:46.43 | jhutchins | Dagger: If you're just local, or if your "backbone" doesn't go beyond your local ISP without tunnelling, it's not worth the overhead. |
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| 23:47.55 | domovoy | how do i get the kernel to create md arrays at boot? On the original manufacturer kernel, it is done even before the kernel mounts the root fs. I enabled CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD and CONFIG_MD_AUTODETECT, but nothing happens (i can examine the raid members with mdadm after boot) |
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| 23:49.40 | Dagger | jhutchins: I guess maybe not if you have enough v4 addresses to avoid NAT (and assuming you don't need to access somebody else's v6-only server), but if you're NATing on v4 then it very much is |
| 23:50.08 | Dagger | (although of course your ISP should be giving you native anyway) |
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| 23:52.59 | SpaghettiNoThank | is there a way to choose which package to install by default at the installation? Like for instance there is those "games" which I don't need and are installed by def |
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