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| 00:00.43 | dondelelcaro | SpaghettiNoThank: if you don't select a task, you won't get anything by default. |
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| 00:01.01 | dondelelcaro | SpaghettiNoThank: you can then choose the specific packages you do want installed. You can also just remove the packages that you don't like after the initial install |
| 00:01.05 | dondelelcaro | SpaghettiNoThank: whatever works best for you |
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| 00:02.32 | SpaghettiNoThank | dondelelcaro: got it |
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| 00:05.31 | iio7 | Where is the start-stop-daemon normally provided by dpkg? |
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| 00:09.25 | Vikhenzo | that's funny |
| 00:09.26 | Vikhenzo | haha |
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| 00:11.09 | Vikhenzo | So I have a question, I have an extra router and I want to plug it into my debian server and then be able to have a mini internet in my house |
| 00:11.27 | Vikhenzo | by having other devices plug into that wifi and pull files from the server |
| 00:11.33 | Vikhenzo | how would I go about doing it? |
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| 01:00.04 | yoLo_ | how do i update the sqlite3 on linux ? |
| 01:00.10 | yoLo_ | debian* |
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| 01:00.23 | dondelelcaro | yoLo_: just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 01:00.37 | yoLo_ | hmmm.. |
| 01:00.37 | dondelelcaro | yoLo_: if there's a new version of sqlite3, it'll be upgraded. |
| 01:00.43 | yoLo_ | i see |
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| 01:02.25 | Brigo | ,v sqlite3 |
| 01:02.26 | judd | Package: sqlite3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.7.3-1; squeeze-backports: 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.7.13-1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.8.7.1-1; sid: 3.8.7.4-1; experimental: 3.8.8.2-1 |
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| 01:11.57 | SpaghettiNoThank | After installing gnome-flashback it doesnt appear in the DE selection before logging in. Did I miss a step? Just did "apt-get install gnome-flashback" |
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| 01:34.10 | jaggzt | what package gives the smbfs type for mount -t ? |
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| 01:35.14 | Brigo | jaggzt, samba, i guess |
| 01:35.15 | Brigo | ,v samba |
| 01:35.16 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze12; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1 |
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| 01:35.32 | jaggzt | do I need i386? I'm using x64 |
| 01:36.29 | Brigo | ,v samba --arch amd64 |
| 01:36.30 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze12; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1 |
| 01:37.15 | jelly | jaggzt: install cifs-utils and use -t cifs, I guess |
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| 01:41.48 | jaggzt | finally.. got it.. there's no -t cifs still for some reason but cifs-utils comes with mount.cifs |
| 01:41.55 | jaggzt | thanks a lot :) |
| 01:42.13 | jaggzt | (I don't have a mount.smbfs, fwiw) |
| 01:42.40 | SpaghettiNoThank | while Jessie pack Xfce 4.12 ? |
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| 01:52.14 | beepie | jaggz, for the mount -t cifs, you'll need to modprobe cifs |
| 01:52.32 | beepie | jaggzt, ^ |
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| 02:02.15 | d[^_^]b | i'm trying to install openstack with zfs and it is wanting to install zfs-fuse |
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| 02:05.35 | acidjazz | hey all.. i just upgraded from wheezy to jessie and i had drivers loadin gin /etc/modules fine. looks like jessie moved thenm to /etc/modprobe.d/etc-modules-parameters.conf , and hte lcd stops working on boot. now when i sudo modprobe each line it works fine. any1 know my issue? |
| 02:05.45 | d[^_^]b | something tells me i need a package 'provides' file |
| 02:05.47 | d[^_^]b | i've done this before |
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| 02:06.51 | acidjazz | so i guess jessie ignores /etc/modules now? |
| 02:07.10 | PryMar56 | acidjazz, systemd prefers /usr/lib/modules-load.d |
| 02:07.23 | lucascastro | acidjazz, you need to put then in /etc/modules-load.d |
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| 02:08.52 | acidjazz | so jessie did htis |
| 02:08.55 | acidjazz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Feb 28 13:03 modules.conf -> ../modules |
| 02:09.09 | sakujo_ | stupid question, do i need exim4? |
| 02:09.11 | lucascastro | where is that? |
| 02:09.11 | acidjazz | moduels.conf just points to ../modules |
| 02:09.19 | acidjazz | in modules-load.d |
| 02:09.24 | sakujo_ | on a htpc that runs kodi home theater and retroarch (nothing else) |
| 02:10.10 | acidjazz | lucascastro: that just points to ../modules which i definitely have the same stuff in there |
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| 02:11.16 | lucascastro | so, try in /usr/lib/modules-load.d |
| 02:11.29 | acidjazz | taht folders empty |
| 02:11.37 | acidjazz | illl create a conf |
| 02:11.46 | lucascastro | plx, do it! |
| 02:11.47 | lucascastro | :D |
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| 02:12.15 | acidjazz | darn... still no lcd on boot :( |
| 02:12.35 | lucascastro | acidjazz, try /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 02:13.01 | acidjazz | so that is a bunch of conf files, mainly blacklists. i created my own and tried that there |
| 02:13.09 | acidjazz | maybe hte format of modprob/conf files is different in jessie? |
| 02:13.51 | acidjazz | like it seems the keyword options is used? |
| 02:13.52 | lucascastro | acidjazz, but I still think if you create a .conf file on /etc/modules-load.d will works. |
| 02:14.01 | acidjazz | yea i tried that before ic ame |
| 02:14.37 | acidjazz | so heres my old /etc/modules that worked https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3edb9541a33ebcd04491 |
| 02:14.46 | acidjazz | is that format still ok for jessie/ |
| 02:14.53 | acidjazz | cuz if i sudo modprobe each of those lines, lcd turns on fine |
| 02:15.23 | lucascastro | acidjazz, wait a minute, I will make a try. |
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| 02:19.59 | acidjazz | maybe i need to do something in /lib/modules ? |
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| 02:20.13 | acidjazz | nah cuz its already there |
| 02:20.18 | acidjazz | otherwise modprobe wouldnt work |
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| 02:22.35 | acidjazz | i could just add these to rc.local heh |
| 02:22.49 | lucascastro | acidjazz. |
| 02:23.25 | lucascastro | I've put the dummy module on /etc/modules-load.d/dummy.conf and just worked |
| 02:23.41 | lucascastro | on jessie. |
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| 02:24.18 | acidjazz | can i see your dummy.conf |
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| 02:24.24 | acidjazz | howd you know it worked? error when booting? |
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| 02:25.07 | lucascastro | just the modules name, dummy in the file. |
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| 02:25.38 | acidjazz | lucascastro: trying again |
| 02:25.41 | lucascastro | if you need to pass any options you need to write on the /etc/modprobe.d/modulename.conf |
| 02:26.08 | acidjazz | so maybe this is broken where kmod runs these files |
| 02:26.18 | acidjazz | because i just did that exact thing and no lcd |
| 02:26.28 | acidjazz | but if i take those 3 lines, put them in rc.local w/ modprobe in front it works at boot |
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| 02:26.41 | lucascastro | what is the lcd module name? |
| 02:27.02 | acidjazz | flexfb and fbtft_deice |
| 02:27.12 | acidjazz | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3edb9541a33ebcd04491#file-modules-L12 |
| 02:28.23 | acidjazz | so odd |
| 02:28.31 | acidjazz | why wont these just load properly |
| 02:29.10 | lucascastro | okay, I think that it is in problem cause you may to write the options on /etc/modprobe.d/modulename.conf |
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| 02:30.55 | acidjazz | ? |
| 02:31.07 | acidjazz | yea thats what jessie automatically did |
| 02:31.18 | polyphagia | so i did an upgrade and my bitmap font stopped working in urxvt, i used to be able to use it via xft: |
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| 02:31.33 | polyphagia | i readded it somehow but it's still not visible in iceweasel or anything |
| 02:31.42 | polyphagia | and the xft: still doesn't work |
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| 02:32.08 | acidjazz | but ih ad those commented out lucascastro |
| 02:32.20 | polyphagia | it does show up in xlsfonts but not in any GUI applications or anything |
| 02:32.31 | polyphagia | i did the force bitmap font configuration in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ |
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| 02:33.21 | acidjazz | i REALLY dont wanna leave w/ these things loading in rc.local but thats really all thats working |
| 02:34.03 | lucascastro | acidjazz, it's not comment out. the options is in front of that not commented. |
| 02:35.31 | lucascastro | like this, I put options for my dummy module on /etc/modprobe.d/dummy, and there has options dummy numdummies=4. |
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| 02:37.17 | lucascastro | acidjazz, when you load manually you pass some options ? |
| 02:38.15 | acidjazz | lucascastro: the exact same lines |
| 02:38.20 | acidjazz | i take the 3 lines in dummy.conf |
| 02:38.30 | acidjazz | and i do sudo modprobe *line* |
| 02:38.36 | acidjazz | i dont add/remove any options |
| 02:38.51 | lucascastro | then remove all that and let's start from the scratch. |
| 02:38.53 | lucascastro | right? |
| 02:39.16 | lucascastro | when you are ready just let me know. |
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| 02:41.06 | acidjazz | ok |
| 02:41.07 | acidjazz | im ready |
| 02:41.09 | acidjazz | all gone |
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| 02:42.56 | polyphagia | yeah i'm pretty confused, why does my font show up in xlsfonts but not fc-list? |
| 02:43.16 | lucascastro | fine, first of all let write all your options to modprobe.d |
| 02:43.33 | polyphagia | fc-cache -vf shows it finding the directory, but finding 0 fonts within it |
| 02:44.00 | lucascastro | I noticed you have there modules to write options, icedjazz |
| 02:44.09 | acidjazz | three? |
| 02:44.11 | acidjazz | yes |
| 02:44.19 | polyphagia | the permissions are the same and i enabled bitmap fonts |
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| 02:44.39 | lucascastro | flexfb, ftbft_device and ads7846_device |
| 02:44.55 | lucascastro | acidjazz, you saw? |
| 02:46.32 | lucascastro | acidjazz, create the file /etc/modprobe.d/flexfb.conf and write in options flexfb width=320 height=480 regwidth=16 init=-1,0xb0,0x0,-1,0x11,-2,250,-1,0x3A,0x55,-1,0xC2,0x44,-1,0xC5,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,-1,0xE0,0x0F,0x1F,0x1C,0x0C,0x0F,0x08,0x48,0x98,0x37,0x0A,0x13,0x04,0x11,0x0D,0x00,-1,0xE1,0x0F,0x32,0x2E,0x0B,0x0D,0x05,0x47,0x75,0x37,0x06,0x10,0x03,0x24,0x20,0x00,-1,0xE2,0x0F,0x32,0x2E,0x0B,0x0D,0x05,0x47,0x75,0x37,0x06,0x10,0x |
| 02:46.32 | lucascastro | 03,0x24,0x20,0x00,-1,0x36,0x28,-1,0x11,-1,0x29,-3 |
| 02:46.46 | lucascastro | write "options flexfb width=320 height=480 regwidth=16 init=-1,0xb0,0x0,-1,0x11,-2,250,-1,0x3A,0x55,-1,0xC2,0x44,-1,0xC5,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,-1,0xE0,0x0F,0x1F,0x1C,0x0C,0x0F,0x08,0x48,0x98,0x37,0x0A,0x13,0x04,0x11,0x0D,0x00,-1,0xE1,0x0F,0x32,0x2E,0x0B,0x0D,0x05,0x47,0x75,0x37,0x06,0x10,0x03,0x24,0x20,0x00,-1,0xE2,0x0F,0x32,0x2E,0x0B,0x0D,0x05,0x47,0x75,0x37,0x06,0x10,0x03,0x24,0x20,0x00,-1,0x36,0x28,-1,0x11,-1,0x29,-3" |
| 02:47.03 | lucascastro | without the " " |
| 02:47.37 | acidjazz | ok |
| 02:48.30 | acidjazz | done |
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| 02:48.40 | lucascastro | acidjazz, you may do that for each module, create the .conf in modprobe.d and write the options there. when you finished all let me know, please. |
| 02:48.46 | acidjazz | now you want a fbtvt_device.conf the same? |
| 02:48.46 | acidjazz | k |
| 02:48.51 | acidjazz | 1m |
| 02:48.52 | lucascastro | yes. |
| 02:49.21 | lucascastro | not the same, but with the options you use for it |
| 02:49.38 | acidjazz | ok all done |
| 02:49.56 | lucascastro | options fbtvt_device.conf debug=3 rotate=90 name=flexfb speed=16000000 gpios=reset:25,dc:24 |
| 02:50.04 | lucascastro | you do it ? |
| 02:50.11 | lucascastro | let me see. |
| 02:50.13 | acidjazz | https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/9082b78e1d52e4a130ad |
| 02:50.41 | lucascastro | fine. |
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| 02:50.58 | acidjazz | now what |
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| 02:51.18 | acidjazz | add flexfb, fbtft_device, and ads* to /etc/modules ? |
| 02:51.49 | lucascastro | now, create a /etc/modules-load/lcd.conf and put the modules name there . |
| 02:51.53 | lucascastro | one per line. |
| 02:52.12 | acidjazz | ok |
| 02:52.32 | lucascastro | after that just check if it'll work. |
| 02:53.05 | acidjazz | https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/30e95689dba6ba231a51 |
| 02:53.48 | lucascastro | alright, now test if it will work. |
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| 02:53.51 | acidjazz | nope |
| 02:54.03 | lucascastro | how are you testing, rebooting? |
| 02:54.40 | acidjazz | yup |
| 02:54.56 | acidjazz | rebooting watching the hdmi output and then the lcd |
| 02:55.01 | acidjazz | wanna see what does owrk? |
| 02:55.10 | lucascastro | try to run modprobe modulename without options to see if it will works. |
| 02:55.28 | acidjazz | https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/cafb70957909d25b9b6a |
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| 02:55.31 | acidjazz | ok |
| 02:55.34 | acidjazz | ok ill try that |
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| 02:56.30 | lucascastro | cause if works the modprobe is really taking the options from modprobe. |
| 02:56.44 | acidjazz | right |
| 02:56.44 | acidjazz | ok |
| 02:56.53 | lucascastro | worked ? |
| 02:57.02 | lucascastro | without pass the options ? |
| 02:57.47 | acidjazz | oh man.. ssh is down :( |
| 02:58.13 | acidjazz | ok phew |
| 02:58.25 | acidjazz | wow systemd |
| 02:58.25 | acidjazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.31 | acidjazz | 80% cpu |
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| 02:59.19 | acidjazz | so the options are being set lucascastro |
| 02:59.20 | acidjazz | that worked |
| 03:00.34 | acidjazz | uhm actually |
| 03:00.38 | acidjazz | x windows won tstart when i run those alone |
| 03:00.42 | acidjazz | let me try again |
| 03:00.53 | lucascastro | okay, so we just need the right place to put the modules, try in /etc/modules |
| 03:01.25 | lucascastro | so without options don't really works ? |
| 03:01.30 | acidjazz | well console worked |
| 03:01.34 | acidjazz | but xwindwos crapped |
| 03:01.35 | acidjazz | let me try again |
| 03:01.35 | acidjazz | to amke sure |
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| 03:01.46 | acidjazz | cuz console will still work w/ou tthose params, its xwindwos that needs the options mainly |
| 03:01.56 | acidjazz | cant we list out or dump them somehow? see if theyre set? |
| 03:02.51 | lucascastro | try to reach at dmesg |
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| 03:05.55 | lucascastro | acidjazz, try to make that step with the dummy modules just for check. |
| 03:06.19 | jerichowasahoax | I'm setting up a Debian install via debootstrap, and after chrooting in, everything works, but apt throws a huge fit every time I try to install something because it can't verify that the packages come from where they say they do. How do I fix this? |
| 03:07.19 | acidjazz | step w/ the dummy modules? |
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| 03:07.38 | lucascastro | yes... |
| 03:08.17 | lucascastro | dummy is a interface modules and may create a network interface with dummy0 name. |
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| 03:12.06 | acidjazz | lucascastro: can yo ucat me your dummy module conf |
| 03:12.10 | acidjazz | or gist me |
| 03:12.12 | acidjazz | so ic an try that |
| 03:12.14 | acidjazz | i can* |
| 03:13.57 | lucascastro | cat /etc/modprobe.d/dummy.conf |
| 03:13.58 | lucascastro | options dummy numdummies=4 |
| 03:14.23 | lucascastro | cat /etc/modules-load.d/dummy.conf |
| 03:14.24 | lucascastro | dummy |
| 03:14.28 | lucascastro | acidjazz |
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| 03:15.26 | acidjazz | ty |
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| 03:18.43 | acidjazz | rebooting w/ dummy setup |
| 03:19.00 | acidjazz | lucascastro: so ill see dummyX when i ifconfig? |
| 03:19.42 | lucascastro | ifconfig -a |
| 03:19.54 | acidjazz | dummy works |
| 03:19.55 | lucascastro | and so? |
| 03:19.56 | acidjazz | 4 dummy interfaces |
| 03:19.57 | acidjazz | sigh |
| 03:20.04 | acidjazz | ok so at least thats nort broekn |
| 03:20.53 | lucascastro | fine... you already check those aren't in blacklist? |
| 03:21.04 | acidjazz | yea ill check again |
| 03:21.07 | acidjazz | wheres are the blacklists |
| 03:21.18 | acidjazz | are there maybe locations i dont know about |
| 03:21.57 | lucascastro | is there some at blacklist.conf on /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
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| 03:25.18 | acidjazz | nothign fbdev or fbtft |
| 03:25.21 | acidjazz | let me grep some more |
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| 03:27.11 | acidjazz | im getting crashing now |
| 03:27.13 | acidjazz | and freezing |
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| 03:27.38 | acidjazz | systemd is not happy |
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| 03:28.45 | acidjazz | nah nothing in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 03:28.54 | acidjazz | blacklists live anywhere else? |
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| 03:29.15 | lucascastro | I don't know what is happening |
| 03:29.31 | lucascastro | the dummy modules worked so much fine. |
| 03:30.44 | acidjazz | if i do modprobe -c i see the options |
| 03:31.24 | acidjazz | i guess i ahve to use the rc.local trick |
| 03:31.27 | acidjazz | is that bad? |
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| 03:33.51 | lucascastro | acidjazz, not bad, but it'd be good if work like were to work. what is your device? |
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| 04:06.49 | Utils | Oh interesting... |
| 04:07.02 | Utils | I have eglibc 2.13, this makes things trickier. |
| 04:07.29 | themill | If something wants a newer libc then it is not being compiled properly |
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| 04:14.35 | DasEi | Utils: tried backports ? |
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| 04:22.59 | Utils | I attempted to upgrade GLIBC before I noticd it was EGLIBC, it installed what I needed... while still having EGLIBC in place. I don't think I have any problems, things seem to be running fine. |
| 04:23.32 | Utils | Having managed debian in the noobiest way possible since 2012, I still don't have a clue what I'm doing half the time. |
| 04:23.54 | themill | ick. sounds like you have a very unpleasant mess now. |
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| 04:40.20 | veritas | hey I need a video player that plays .wav files |
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| 04:44.52 | polyphagia | veritas: pretty much any of them |
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| 04:51.25 | acidjazz | why is there no chromium in jessie |
| 04:52.19 | polyphagia | ,versions chromium |
| 04:52.20 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 40.0.2214.111-1; sid: 41.0.2272.76-2 |
| 04:52.29 | polyphagia | looks like it's there |
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| 04:52.56 | acidjazz | E: Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation candidate |
| 04:53.06 | acidjazz | E: Package 'chromium' has no installation candidate |
| 04:53.09 | acidjazz | what is wrong w/ my setup |
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| 04:55.16 | themill | acidjazz: the output of "apt-cache policy" will be informative |
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| 04:57.52 | acidjazz | themill: https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/137a02fd7b714572ff94 |
| 04:58.39 | themill | acidjazz: raspbian â debian. Please ask for help with raspbian in #raspbian not in #debian. |
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| 05:00.21 | acidjazz | i did, basically the same answer |
| 05:03.24 | Rusty1 | acidjazz: if the package is not available from the raspian repos, it is not availbale from them. as simple as that |
| 05:05.21 | owen1 | where should i add my environment variables so they will apply when i ssh to the host? i tried .bashrc, .bash_profile and /etc/profile but nothing works. the command i use is ssh developer@<my-server-ip> "echo $NODE_ENV" |
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| 05:08.16 | themill | owen1: forced commands typically don't get run through a shell so no shell config is actually relevant |
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| 05:09.03 | themill | also, "echo $foo" is going to substitute $foo on the local machine and then run ssh on the command after substitution |
| 05:09.24 | owen1 | oh |
| 05:10.02 | owen1 | ssh developer@<my-server-ip> "env|grep NODE_ENV" |
| 05:10.24 | owen1 | let me try that ^ |
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| 05:12.41 | owen1 | themill: even with env|grep NODE_ENV i don't see anything |
| 05:12.53 | owen1 | i also tried in .profile |
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| 05:19.04 | themill | owen1: sure, bash doesn't source rc files when it's executing a script or with a specified command. What are you really trying to achieve here? |
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| 05:19.43 | owen1 | themill: i want to run my pass environment variables to my web server |
| 05:20.09 | owen1 | and those variables are different on each server. on production it will be NODE_ENV=production |
| 05:20.16 | owen1 | on dev it's DEV etc |
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| 05:21.57 | ohithere | acidjazz: I think chromimum on debian exists only for x86 and amd64, not any other archs - and hence not for the pi. |
| 05:22.20 | owen1 | themill: it's my deploy script. it's a bash script that i run from my laptop. |
| 05:23.09 | ohithere | Why that is, I have no idea. |
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| 05:32.51 | acidjazz | ohithere: theres a v6 for rpi wheezy, but not jessie |
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| 05:40.18 | trysten | i want to rename some files by removing the leading dot. what is a quick way to this? more specifically, does bash have like a wildcard match so i could do something like this mv .* $1 |
| 05:40.46 | themill | !prename |
| 05:40.46 | dpkg | prename is probably a utility to rename files based on perl expressions including regular expressions, e.g. «prename s/JPG/jpg/ *». prename is often also available as /usr/bin/rename but that is not guaranteed -- calling it prename will mean you get a command not found error rather than accidentally calling the wrong rename with bad consequences. |
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| 05:49.42 | RayzrShrp | when i do man openssl how do i get help with the req command? at the bottom it says see also req but i dont know how to view it |
| 05:51.04 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: man req; |
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| 05:51.45 | RayzrShrp | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 05:55.05 | beepie | !thanks |
| 05:55.05 | dpkg | beepie: pas de quoi |
| 05:55.19 | beepie | !merci |
| 05:55.20 | dpkg | merci is probably thanks in french |
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| 05:56.43 | bnw | Doesn't this trick work for Debian? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/tmux#Autostart_with_systemd |
| 05:56.53 | kyudo | anyone know trisquel? |
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| 05:57.35 | bnw | I created a ~/.config/systemd/user/tmux.service with the content of that session. But it didn't seem to work. |
| 05:57.50 | htqp | kyudo: check out their channel #trisquel |
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| 06:01.21 | dondelelcaro | bnw: currently, I'm not sure if anything runs systemd --user |
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| 06:03.56 | dondelelcaro | ah, no; it should be started by libpam-systemd |
| 06:04.01 | bnw | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Adding "[[ -z "$TMUX" ]] exec tmux" starts emux anywayã |
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| 06:10.32 | bnw | I meant adding "[[ -z "$TMUX" ]] exec tmux" to .bashrc started tmux. |
| 06:12.40 | Yukkii | Welp, guess who just spent an hour researching broadcom drivers to figure out all I needed was "ifconfig wlan0 up" |
| 06:14.15 | ohithere | acidjazz: Really? Not according to https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chromium (see bottom of the page for arch listing) |
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| 06:16.05 | themill | ohithere: acidjazz isn't running Debian so there's nothing on debian.org that helps much and nothing #debian can usefully do. |
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| 06:18.13 | ohithere | Oh right. |
| 06:19.01 | ohithere | For my own `amusement' I am kind of interested why Chromium isn't available for all Debian-supported architectures. |
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| 06:34.02 | Yukkii | Is it possible to install KDE Desktop 5 on Wheezy? |
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| 06:35.29 | themill | Yukkii: there's no such thing as "KDE Desktop 5"; there are no packages for Plasma workspaces 5 for debian at all. It quite probably needs newer Qt5 than is available for wheezy if you wanted to try to compile it yourself. |
| 06:35.56 | Yukkii | I see |
| 06:35.59 | Yukkii | Thanks for the answer |
| 06:36.47 | themill | There are Qt5 packages in wheezy-backports that *might* be sufficient. |
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| 06:37.56 | Yukkii | I'm not that intent on installing it, I was just wanting to see if it'd improved at all since last year |
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| 06:40.19 | themill | Yukkii: it's still very much early preview from what I read. I understand there are live-cd images you can grab to have a play with it |
| 06:40.55 | Yukkii | themill: I may try that someday. I'm mostly using Debian on my laptop, which I use for programming |
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| 07:21.58 | cinnamon | hi how do I install wireless Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN network controller? |
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| 07:24.35 | themill | !iwl5100 |
| 07:24.35 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 07:24.38 | themill | cinnamon: ^^ |
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| 07:51.45 | cinnamon | themill: can I pm you about non free sources? |
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| 08:20.00 | Scuttle | hrm...I updated from squeeze to jessie just now, and I can't do sudo anymore. I did the same upgrade a few days ago, and didn't encounter this problem.... This is the error I get |
| 08:20.00 | Scuttle | http://pastebin.com/KcxaacAg |
| 08:20.37 | Scuttle | I am using a ldap backend for my authentication, but the connection seems to work fine, getent gets both groups and passwords |
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| 08:31.25 | babilen | Scuttle: Squeezr to Jessie? How did you do that? |
| 08:31.36 | Scuttle | oh, sorry |
| 08:31.41 | Scuttle | squeeze to wheezy I mean |
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| 08:32.49 | cinnamon | anyone know how to install nonfree wifi on gnu/linux systems? |
| 08:32.53 | babilen | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658896 (among many others, I'd google for it) |
| 08:33.19 | babilen | cinnamon: "apt-get install $THEFIRMEWAREPACKAGE" |
| 08:33.25 | babilen | cinnamon: Which device? |
| 08:33.45 | cinnamon | Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN |
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| 08:34.40 | cinnamon | so what command would i run? |
| 08:34.41 | babilen | You have to install firmware-iwlwifi for that. Enable non-free sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list for htat |
| 08:35.05 | cinnamon | how can I do this in trisquel? |
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| 08:36.37 | babilen | Ask them? |
| 08:36.42 | babilen | dpkg: trisquel |
| 08:36.42 | dpkg | Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. http://trisquel.info/en #trisquel on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 08:37.30 | babilen | cinnamon: Please don't ask in #debian if you don't use it. It might be a bit of a surprise that #debian supports, well, Debian, but that's the way it is. |
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| 08:43.30 | cinnamon | its too bad there is such debate between debian and trisquel |
| 08:43.44 | cinnamon | Is debian as easy to install as trisquel? |
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| 08:44.25 | cinnamon | I feel like thats a valid question to ask; rather is installing debian user friendly? |
| 08:44.35 | valdyn | cinnamon: we dont know |
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| 08:44.43 | cinnamon | is there a recommended good tutorial to install debian? |
| 08:44.47 | valdyn | !ig |
| 08:44.48 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 08:44.52 | valdyn | cinnamon: ^^ |
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| 08:45.33 | cinnamon | its very complicated |
| 08:45.39 | valdyn | cinnamon: yes |
| 08:45.42 | cinnamon | so you have to set up swap space and stuff? |
| 08:45.53 | cinnamon | I beleive it was easier on ubuntu to install |
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| 08:46.06 | cinnamon | is there like an automatic install> |
| 08:46.11 | valdyn | cinnamon: no |
| 08:46.24 | valdyn | cinnamon: you do have to hit enter a few times |
| 08:46.35 | cinnamon | does it involve setting up a swap space? |
| 08:46.49 | cinnamon | or does it choose that for you |
| 08:46.53 | valdyn | cinnamon: thats a really odd question |
| 08:46.58 | cinnamon | ? |
| 08:47.04 | valdyn | cinnamon: like setting up swap space makes or breaks an installation |
| 08:47.15 | cinnamon | When I installed Ubuntu it required me to set the swap space |
| 08:47.21 | cinnamon | in trisquel it didn't ask |
| 08:47.24 | valdyn | cinnamon: why is that a problem? |
| 08:47.32 | valdyn | cinnamon: heck, we do you even care? |
| 08:47.41 | cinnamon | ? |
| 08:47.43 | valdyn | cinnamon: in debian you *can* set up swap space, you dont have to |
| 08:47.59 | cinnamon | valdyn: I am new to this |
| 08:48.19 | cinnamon | it is strange you are answering in such a round about way to a beginner |
| 08:48.24 | valdyn | cinnamon: i can see that. And im telling you that this swap space thing is not critical |
| 08:48.30 | cinnamon | okay thank you |
| 08:49.20 | cinnamon | so you would consider this install easy or simple? |
| 08:49.37 | folivora | Hi, could someone explain me what is Clock Selector (gain) in alsamixer when I have a DAC |
| 08:49.39 | cinnamon | I guess that's a subjective question, but for a beginner, a ubuntu user |
| 08:50.13 | valdyn | cinnamon: in 20000 hours spent on debian, i send 1 hour installing it. The *last* thing i have an opinion about is the installer. I couldn't care less. |
| 08:50.26 | valdyn | cinnamon: maybe its easy for you, maybe not. I couldnt even tell. |
| 08:50.48 | cinnamon | I feel like spending 20000 hours could change how you think about easy... |
| 08:50.58 | valdyn | cinnamon: yes |
| 08:51.17 | cinnamon | and I spent four days trying to install trisquel in comparison |
| 08:51.24 | cinnamon | and I found out I can't even get the wireless to work |
| 08:51.30 | cinnamon | therefore I am switching to debian |
| 08:51.37 | cinnamon | which will be a slightly less struggle |
| 08:51.46 | valdyn | cinnamon: maybe you get lucky, more likely though you wont |
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| 08:52.09 | valdyn | cinnamon: do you need the wifi at install time? |
| 08:52.15 | cinnamon | no |
| 08:52.20 | cinnamon | but I want to get it to work |
| 08:52.30 | cinnamon | and trisquel required libreboot and soldering the cpu |
| 08:52.35 | cinnamon | and i can't do tha |
| 08:52.44 | valdyn | cinnamon: ok then, you can install debian, then come back. If your wlan chip can be made to work in debian, someone in this channel can help you. |
| 08:52.59 | cinnamon | thank you, i assume ethernet will work until then |
| 08:53.11 | cinnamon | but do you know about getting wifi to work? |
| 08:53.13 | valdyn | cinnamon: of course there is wlan chips that just cant be made to work in any distro, I suppose. |
| 08:53.26 | cinnamon | is that an hour process for you too? |
| 08:53.59 | valdyn | cinnamon: no |
| 08:54.53 | cinnamon | longer? |
| 08:54.56 | trewas | cinnamon: trisquel is explicitly a "free" distro which does everything it can to prevent using non-free bits, debian is more reasonable |
| 08:54.56 | valdyn | cinnamon: wlan is not hard. Usually its installing a non-free firmware package and decide on a GUI to use and it will work. |
| 08:55.04 | cinnamon | ok that's good |
| 08:55.21 | cinnamon | but trisquel had just one download for it's operating system |
| 08:55.23 | valdyn | cinnamon: so what trewas said explains why you had problems, if you just lacked firmware, which is always non-free |
| 08:55.30 | cinnamon | I am already confused which debian to download |
| 08:55.39 | cinnamon | testing vs non, which cd etc |
| 08:55.43 | valdyn | cinnamon: how old is you computer? |
| 08:55.48 | cinnamon | 2009 maybe? |
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| 08:55.56 | cinnamon | I got it used it's pretty old |
| 08:55.59 | valdyn | cinnamon: get the stable netinstall disk |
| 08:56.02 | cinnamon | Lenovo ThinkPad X200s |
| 08:56.06 | valdyn | cinnamon: thats wheezy |
| 08:56.11 | cinnamon | is that the nongraphical one? |
| 08:56.17 | cinnamon | you don't recommend testing? |
| 08:56.34 | valdyn | cinnamon: no, not to install debian |
| 08:56.50 | valdyn | cinnamon: i cant say if you should use the amd64 or the i386 release |
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| 08:56.58 | cinnamon | I have amd64 |
| 08:57.05 | cinnamon | I have been using that for ubuntu |
| 08:57.10 | cinnamon | It is Intel Core 2 Duo |
| 08:57.14 | valdyn | cinnamon: ok, so that is settled |
| 08:57.15 | cinnamon | 1.6 Ghz 800Mhz |
| 08:57.34 | cinnamon | it still runs pretty good just not gaming quality |
| 08:57.45 | valdyn | cinnamon: Though, *I* would probably use the i386 release on that |
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| 09:09.14 | tmh1999 | Hi guys I have a question and I hope some one could help me :D My boss requires a system with Ubuntu 14.04 (Kernel 3.13, GCC 4.8.2, GLIBC2.19). I have one of it running, kernel 3.13.0-32-generic, GCC 4.8.2, libc6-2.19-1. And unfortunately I turn out to be a Deiban guy so I decide to give it a try with Debian 8. It means I have to install GCC 4.8.2 ( mine are gcc-4.8.3 and gcc-4.9.1), recompile kernel 3.13 with that GCC, and install another version of |
| 09:09.15 | tmh1999 | libc6. I haven't done it yet and I don't have much exp with this. So I am wondering is possible to do so? Thanks |
| 09:09.41 | tmh1999 | *Debian |
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| 09:12.50 | valdyn | tmh1999: thats a bad idea, do what your boss said or convince him to accept plain debian. You're just going to cause trouble like that. |
| 09:14.22 | tmh1999 | valdyn : Is it real bad or bad bad? |
| 09:14.24 | valdyn | tmh1999: hey boss, i like debian better, so i setup a custom unsupported nightmare. Security we'll just do ourselves. |
| 09:14.29 | valdyn | tmh1999: bad bad |
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| 09:15.30 | valdyn | tmh1999: i mean *dont* *ever* *do* *this*! |
| 09:16.20 | tmh1999 | valdyn : Yes. I did not make it I meant real bad > bad bad. Ok I got it. |
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| 09:16.42 | tmh1999 | valdyn : Thank you :D |
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| 09:17.30 | valdyn | tmh1999: there may be no valid reason at all why he wants ubuntu, but thats a different matter |
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| 09:19.46 | tmh1999 | valdyn : Actually we are running a little bit of CUDA and it seems nVidia only support that a certain list of OS (with specific reqs for each OS ). |
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| 09:36.53 | gedO | Hello, debian users. Can someone help me with IPsec? |
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| 10:14.32 | anti-unix | hi |
| 10:14.45 | anti-unix | ði |
| 10:17.00 | panamark | Hello |
| 10:17.42 | anti-unix | panamark, ð |
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| 10:21.02 | owen1 | i used a command line utility that let me decrypt a file while grepping it. the file itself was not being decrypted. it was able to do that just while the grep was running. |
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| 10:21.42 | owen1 | i am not sure if i remember exactly how it work but i would like to play with it again. does anyone know the name of the tool+ |
| 10:21.45 | owen1 | ? |
| 10:22.33 | Amun_Ra | gpg? |
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| 10:23.24 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: it wasn't gpg. do u think gpg is a good way to keep my password file safe? is it easy to grep a gpg'd file? |
| 10:23.50 | owen1 | i want to grep it with the name of the website and it should display the password. |
| 10:24.18 | Amun_Ra | keepassx is a great tool for protecting passwords |
| 10:24.36 | Amun_Ra | oh |
| 10:25.12 | Amun_Ra | then gpg⦠|
| 10:25.30 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: i just played with keepassx (actualy with the cli wrapper) and didn't like it since it required too many commands. i would like to have a bash script that let me type: 'pas foo.com' |
| 10:25.36 | owen1 | and that's it |
| 10:26.04 | owen1 | right now it's working fine with a single file. but i would like to use an encrypted file instead. |
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| 10:26.31 | owen1 | but i don't want to dycrypt it manualy everytime i run the 'pas' command |
| 10:26.54 | Amun_Ra | gpg, decryption to stdout, grep |
| 10:26.58 | owen1 | and i remember this little utility i found that let's you decrypt a file on the fly |
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| 10:29.23 | Amun_Ra | I has days ago gpg connected with vim, all edited .asc files were automatically decrypted upon edit, encrypted on quit |
| 10:29.41 | Amun_Ra | *had |
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| 10:30.53 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: nice. but i prefer to grep the file. it's faster than opening vim |
| 10:31.22 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: is pgp the same as gpg? i use https://keybase.io and it gives me pgp key. |
| 10:32.02 | Amun_Ra | owen1: you can use symmetric encryption (password not keys) |
| 10:32.25 | Amun_Ra | gpg is gnu version of pgp |
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| 10:33.12 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: how do u use symmetric encryption? |
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| 10:34.17 | Amun_Ra | owen1: gpg -a -c test.jl â test.jl.asc |
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| 10:35.33 | Amun_Ra | owen1: gpg -o - test.jl.asc | grep whatever |
| 10:36.20 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: i created my password file (called it test.jl) |
| 10:36.30 | owen1 | and run gpg -a -c test.jl |
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| 10:37.14 | Amun_Ra | test.jl was my example file (test.jl is a program written in julia) |
| 10:37.25 | owen1 | (: ok let me try that |
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| 10:38.48 | owen1 | works! i noticed a folder called .gnupg and inside 4 files. |
| 10:38.59 | Amun_Ra | mhm |
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| 10:39.14 | owen1 | what do i need to do with this folder? back it up? |
| 10:39.20 | owen1 | what are those files do? |
| 10:39.47 | owen1 | i planned to have this encrypted file on my server |
| 10:40.08 | Amun_Ra | they are not needed for symmetrical enc/dec |
| 10:40.10 | owen1 | and i'll have a bash script that ssh and run the -o command |
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| 10:40.31 | Amun_Ra | just config, random seed, pubkey rings, etc |
| 10:40.32 | sobersabre | hi guys. looking for an irc bot to: a) be impl. in python/ruby, b) be able to interact with jira/bugzilla/trac/github, c) able to send email out of the box [I can add this myself, but I prefer a working one], d) management of meetings + report.... |
| 10:40.38 | sobersabre | suggestions are very welcome. |
| 10:40.43 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: so i can rm it? |
| 10:40.55 | sobersabre | currently using willie, but it seems to require adding of email interaction, which sux a bit. |
| 10:41.00 | Amun_Ra | yes |
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| 10:42.15 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: ok. thanks |
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| 10:42.58 | sobersabre | hi debhelper |
| 10:43.09 | Amun_Ra | yw |
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| 10:45.35 | Jonno_FTW | i accidentally deleted /etc/pulse, how can i get the defaults back? dpkg-reconfigure pulseaudio doesnt work |
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| 10:46.23 | Amun_Ra | Jonno_FTW: apt-get --reinstall install pkgname |
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| 10:48.10 | Jonno_FTW | Amun_Ra: it made the folder but didn't put any files in it |
| 10:48.15 | Skyrider | Is it difficult to set up a smtp/imap/pop server on your own server? |
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| 10:50.25 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: i found the tool i looked at a while ago - ccrypt and ccat. the command is this: ccat password.txt.cpt | grep youtube |
| 10:50.53 | Amun_Ra | Jonno_FTW: there should be pulseaudioâ¦.dev in /var/cache/apt/archive, get into its contents with mc and copy etc files manually (unless they are generated by post-inst) |
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| 10:51.16 | Amun_Ra | owen1: what enc method do those use? |
| 10:51.16 | owen1 | Amun_Ra: i am not sure if it's any better than your solution (gpg) |
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| 10:51.37 | owen1 | the nice thing about gpg is i didn't have to instal anything |
| 10:51.52 | Melissa__ | Why is ttf-mscorefonts-installer in contrib? Does it install non-free software? |
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| 10:53.39 | Amun_Ra | owen1: you can switch cipher algorithm via --cipher-algo during encryption (ie. --cipher-algo AES256) |
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| 10:54.49 | owen1 | âccryptâ only supports one algorithm known as âAESâ, but itâs considered as an extremely powerful encryption method nonetheless (almost all the major tools support it by default). - http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/02/ccrypt-file-encryption-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 10:57.59 | sobersabre | Melissa__: guess what "ms" in "mscorefonts" stands for, and then guess again |
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| 10:59.46 | shay_shay | Hello, please help :) I wish to pin task-gnome-desktop to never install, |
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| 11:00.02 | Melissa__ | I didn't know a font could be non-free. Alright, I guess I'll install Comic Neue instead. Thanks. |
| 11:01.11 | shay_shay | Melissa__: non-free, free as in free speech. the font -is- gratis :P |
| 11:01.18 | htqp | Melissa__: yes it can, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protection_of_typefaces Also keep in mind that different jurisdictions have different IP laws |
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| 11:01.22 | trewas | Melissa__: anything can be non-free, including trivial stuff like icons (see firefox) |
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| 11:05.26 | _spOOn__ | hi guys, wondering if anyone can help me with installing debian on a msata drive |
| 11:05.34 | _spOOn__ | having issues booting after successful boot |
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| 11:11.58 | _spOOn__ | should have been having troubles booting after successful install |
| 11:12.09 | _spOOn__ | grub seems to install ok to the msata drive |
| 11:12.23 | _spOOn__ | but then bios fails to detect grub on msata |
| 11:12.25 | _spOOn__ | :( |
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| 11:14.47 | virtualmix | Hello all. For many months now, the sound volume on my Debian Jessie is keeps resetting itself automatically to around 50%, independently from the media application running. I use the standard GNOME desktop and all my packages are up to date. Any suggestion to resolve this issue? |
| 11:16.26 | rozie | virtualmix: you probably run some app, which influence volume and sets it to 50%. I run unstable with LXDE, no such issue noticed |
| 11:16.40 | valdyn | virtualmix: skype? |
| 11:17.07 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: if the bios truly can't find the msata, i think you need to see if there's a BIOS update that allows it to |
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| 11:17.25 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: if it can, but you just can't find the option amongst the BIOS menus, this is not a debian problem |
| 11:17.35 | virtualmix | valdyn: I removed Skype a long time ago |
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| 11:17.54 | virtualmix | rozie: I'll look for any suspicious apps running |
| 11:17.59 | valdyn | virtualmix: ok - are you using pulseaudio? |
| 11:18.11 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: is there any other low-power device that is bootable by the BIOS that could be used to locate grub on? maybe an SD card? |
| 11:18.12 | virtualmix | valdyn: I think I do |
| 11:18.18 | _spOOn__ | SynrGy: the bios can see the msata, and can use as a "boot" device, but no grub prompt is displayed |
| 11:18.32 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: so you think you've installed grub incorrectly? |
| 11:18.33 | valdyn | virtualmix: do you use pavucontrol to change volume? do you use something else? |
| 11:18.35 | _spOOn__ | yes, there is an SD card |
| 11:18.50 | _spOOn__ | yes, i believe so |
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| 11:19.03 | virtualmix | valdyn: No, I only change the volume from the GNOME applet |
| 11:19.04 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: have you booted from a rescue media and tried to reinstall grub on the device? |
| 11:19.10 | _spOOn__ | btw, to make things worse (or better?) system is uefi :) |
| 11:19.15 | _spOOn__ | yes |
| 11:19.19 | SynrGy | fun |
| 11:19.26 | _spOOn__ | and yes, i have a /boot/efi part as well :) |
| 11:19.26 | SynrGy | so perhaps you got something wrong in that attempt? |
| 11:19.30 | valdyn | virtualmix: i cant tell which volume setting that applet changes, probably alsa instead of pulse |
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| 11:19.44 | virtualmix | valdyn: I also sometime use alsamixer |
| 11:19.58 | valdyn | virtualmix: is the package alsa-utils installed? |
| 11:20.19 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: the grub-install needs to see the grub config located on your fresh install. did you grub-install in a chroot of your new system, or what? |
| 11:20.22 | virtualmix | valdyn: Yes I confirm its installed |
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| 11:21.14 | valdyn | virtualmix: maybe there's some bad interaction between alsa-utils and pulse volume persistence |
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| 11:21.36 | virtualmix | valdyn: When I open alsamixer it says my card is "PulseAudio", I'm confuse as to which one I'm using |
| 11:21.40 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: i don't know particularly how to deal with the efi side of things, however. |
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| 11:21.53 | valdyn | virtualmix: why dont you try to use pavucontrol and see if audio is saved properly then |
| 11:21.54 | _spOOn__ | SynrGy: yes, chrooted |
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| 11:22.26 | _spOOn__ | seems grub booting from msata seems to be a nightmare according to googles :) |
| 11:22.34 | SynrGy | exciting |
| 11:22.44 | SynrGy | sorry i can't offer any more help than that |
| 11:22.58 | valdyn | virtualmix: the script /etc/init.d/alsa-utils does take care of saving alsa volume levels, but per-app and various other volume levels are saved by pulseaudio |
| 11:23.16 | SynrGy | anyone else? msata + efi + grub = fail? i can't help _spOOn__ with this :p |
| 11:23.38 | _spOOn__ | stupid new xps 13" POS! |
| 11:23.40 | _spOOn__ | :) |
| 11:23.44 | _spOOn__ | nice looking though.... |
| 11:23.56 | SynrGy | _spOOn__: so try my "boot from SD card" idea |
| 11:24.01 | virtualmix | valdyn: I'm installing pavucontrol now. I've had this installation of Debian for a few years now, could be some remaining of an old config somewhere |
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| 11:24.09 | SynrGy | at least it could be a decent workaround until you get it booting from the msata |
| 11:24.18 | _spOOn__ | yeah, i was going to do that, but it seems sd card not detected in installer |
| 11:24.27 | SynrGy | doesn't need to be ... |
| 11:24.34 | _spOOn__ | is there an additional module i should be loading for sdcard? |
| 11:24.37 | valdyn | virtualmix: i wouldnt know about that |
| 11:24.39 | SynrGy | chroot into the new system and it should see it there |
| 11:24.41 | _spOOn__ | fair point |
| 11:24.47 | _spOOn__ | didnt think of that :) |
| 11:24.50 | SynrGy | :) |
| 11:24.52 | _spOOn__ | sorry, been at this for a while |
| 11:24.57 | _spOOn__ | not thinking clearly |
| 11:24.58 | SynrGy | yeah. frustrating |
| 11:25.02 | _spOOn__ | yup yup |
| 11:25.12 | _spOOn__ | brand new lappy, and i just want to smash it :P |
| 11:25.22 | SynrGy | haha. nope. deep breaths |
| 11:25.24 | virtualmix | valdyn: Trying pavucontrol now |
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| 11:30.30 | blanoz | What would you consider to be more appropiate for PHP shared hosting between 3 friends (each with its own /home and www folder under /home): apache & mod_php + nginx for static content OR apache mpm event (static files only) + php-fpm, each user with its own fpm pool? |
| 11:30.42 | sunbeam | hi , i've got a debian server, and like to migrate all the mails to another centos server (running dovecot both) |
| 11:30.45 | sunbeam | how can i best do this? |
| 11:32.03 | virtualmix | valdyn: I've now been playing music for a few minutes and the sound is not resetting - I think you solved my problem :-) |
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| 11:34.44 | virtualmix | valdyn: Thank you very much for your help, looks like the problem was on the pulseAudio side maybe a component was missing, it seem to work now |
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| 11:37.45 | naturalog | hello all. i just installed latest wheezy and i cant make it see the GPU's audio device which is connected via HDMI (lspci shows it, but not aplay or /proc/asound/modules) |
| 11:38.33 | naturalog | tedious googling didnt help |
| 11:38.38 | naturalog | it's amd 280x |
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| 11:39.13 | naturalog | i installed the propriatary ati drivers |
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| 11:41.50 | panamark | naturalog: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2310 |
| 11:41.58 | naturalog | tx looking |
| 11:42.12 | turtlehat | hellose, init.d scripts run as root? |
| 11:43.07 | naturalog | it didnt help |
| 11:43.18 | naturalog | i know this trick. its not muted, it doesnt see it at all. only lspci see it |
| 11:43.32 | naturalog | tried again anyway |
| 11:44.39 | naturalog | pressing f6 on alsamixer, it doesn't see the gpu |
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| 11:48.01 | turtleding | hello. i have an hp deskjet 6500 with debian jessie running. but i need after to reconfigure with hplip-docter, to get it working. how can is solve this? |
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| 11:48.45 | turtleding | (after hplip-docter it works flawless, until i reboot) |
| 11:49.12 | turtleding | hp-docter* |
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| 11:55.30 | owen1 | how to reduce the verbosity of gpg? gpg --no-use-agent -o - file.asc shows 2 lines that i don't need: AES256 encrypted data and encrypted with 1 passphrase |
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| 11:56.54 | dutchfish | owen1, have you checked --no-verbose |
| 11:57.14 | dutchfish | ? |
| 11:57.55 | owen1 | dutchfish: yeah. i tried that ): |
| 11:58.28 | dutchfish | owen1, nothing left then, except -q |
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| 11:59.22 | dutchfish | owen1, if nothing works, write a wrapper around it |
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| 11:59.51 | owen1 | dutchfish: -q did it! |
| 11:59.56 | dutchfish | owen1, thats what i did |
| 12:00.07 | dutchfish | owen1, ah, great, have fun |
| 12:00.40 | owen1 | thanks |
| 12:00.43 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 12:11.35 | frederik_2 | anyone know how to passthrough this in xen 4.4 +-1c.4-[30]--+-00.0 MosChip Semiconductor Technology Ltd. MCS9990 PCIe to 4âPort USB 2.0 Host Controller |
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| 12:28.23 | dutchfish | frederik_2, maybe you could start here? http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_USB_Passthrough#PVUSB_support_in_Xen_4.0_and_newer_versions |
| 12:29.24 | dutchfish | frederik_2, it depends greatly on which xendom0kernel |
| 12:30.53 | frederik_2 | realtek ethernnet card passthroughs fine |
| 12:31.03 | dutchfish | frederik_2, yup, thats trivial |
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| 12:32.26 | frederik_2 | can pvusb be used to passthrough a pci usb controller ? |
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| 12:32.47 | dutchfish | frederik_2, sure, if the hw is supported, check out latest PVUSB backend |
| 12:33.42 | dutchfish | frederik_2, turning it otherwise around might be a better option somtimes, some hw is a pita |
| 12:33.58 | frederik_2 | but command pvusb is not found ? |
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| 12:35.19 | Brigo | afaik there is no such command in jessie repos. |
| 12:35.41 | SynrGy | in fact, where do you find anywhere an article stating there is such a command? |
| 12:35.42 | dutchfish | frederik_2, it needs loading, like xm usb-hc-create [some params] beofre it comes available, but after the driver is loaded in dom0, check 4.4 docs |
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| 12:36.33 | frederik_2 | i use xl and there are no parameters with usb |
| 12:36.48 | dutchfish | frederik_2, is this debian? |
| 12:37.07 | frederik_2 | jes, debian jessie |
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| 12:38.22 | dutchfish | frederik_2, maybe the confusing part is that you need xm/xend toolstack |
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| 12:38.38 | dutchfish | (4.4) |
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| 12:38.53 | frederik_2 | so i need to downgrade to 4.1 ? |
| 12:39.10 | dutchfish | frederik_2, pulling that of in jessie is not trivial |
| 12:39.25 | dutchfish | frederik_2, but 4.1 might be a smoother ride |
| 12:39.32 | frederik_2 | so i need to downgrade to lower debian version? |
| 12:39.51 | dutchfish | frederik_2, hard to say, if you know xen inside out, then no |
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| 12:40.20 | frederik_2 | don't know xen inside out:) |
| 12:40.46 | dutchfish | frederik_2, then follow the debian xen wiki, except for the changed toolchain xm |
| 12:40.58 | dutchfish | frederik_2, the docs are not up par yet |
| 12:41.19 | dutchfish | frederik_2, its all 'testing' |
| 12:41.44 | dutchfish | frederik_2, or simply wait, until the quircks are paved out |
| 12:42.16 | dutchfish | frederik_2, also there is a separate channel for xen |
| 12:42.17 | frederik_2 | or simply install debian wheezy and then usb xm usb-attach ? |
| 12:42.31 | frederik_2 | i know, but not much help there |
| 12:42.32 | dutchfish | frederik_2, you can try that |
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| 12:43.06 | dutchfish | frederik_2, if you hae more specific questions, give a yell, i am not able to walk you through form scratch |
| 12:43.26 | dutchfish | s/form/from |
| 12:43.34 | frederik_2 | so xm usb-attach can passthru a whole usb controller ? |
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| 12:43.45 | frederik_2 | worth the try |
| 12:43.58 | dutchfish | frederik_2, either port or hub, depending on the drivers capabilities |
| 12:44.16 | cariveri | Hi. perhaps someone here knowns how to connect local mail clients with a remote hosts mailing system? I simply shh forwarded port 25 to the local machine but that doesnt have me send mails to users. mail deliverey is returned. |
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| 12:45.15 | dutchfish | frederik_2, one more tip, the source itself is the best guide http://xenbits.xen.org/linux-2.6.18-xen.hg |
| 12:45.31 | dutchfish | frederik_2, or newer |
| 12:46.19 | dutchfish | frederik_2, and an intro http://www-archive.xenproject.org/files/xensummit_oracle09/PVUSB.pdf |
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| 12:48.19 | dutchfish | frederik_2, last but not least the roadmap http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Roadmap/4.4 |
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| 12:50.07 | dutchfish | frederik_2, https://wiki.debian.org/Xen (of couse) |
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| 12:57.36 | dutchfish | frederik_2, and above all, be patient and have fun |
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| 13:01.11 | dutchfish | freanux, if you are really going into it, check out the latest git trees http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Repositories |
| 13:01.32 | dutchfish | oops that was for frederik_2 |
| 13:01.59 | dutchfish | sorry |
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| 13:04.38 | kodapa | huh, my ~/.bash_history somehow got truncated after an apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot :S |
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| 13:06.40 | nyuszika7h | kodapa: the default $HISTFILESIZE is 500 |
| 13:06.57 | nyuszika7h | put "unset HISTFILESIZE" in ~/.bashrc |
| 13:07.14 | kodapa | nyuszika7h: is it supposed to clear it completely? |
| 13:07.18 | nyuszika7h | no |
| 13:07.27 | nyuszika7h | an upgrade is not supposed to touch your home directory at all |
| 13:07.35 | kodapa | its like someone ran echo "" > ~/.bash_history |
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| 13:07.43 | kodapa | very strange |
| 13:07.52 | kwhk | i have installed jessie. is it possible to add xfce as an option? will it pull in a lot of packages? will there be any issues? |
| 13:08.20 | RDash | Which package contains openal? |
| 13:08.25 | nyuszika7h | installing a new desktop environment on top or uninstalling a desktop environment is almost never a good idea |
| 13:08.31 | RDash | Cause some thing went fubar when removing mono xD |
| 13:08.35 | TBJoe | I used "trickled -u 40 -d 350" and now I cant fucking change that value or undo it anymore. I removed the trickle packages and rebooted, looked for daemons/processes running, I can still only download with 350kb/s ... does someone know how to fix this? how does trickle even work, I can't fine anything on the internet |
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| 13:08.48 | dutchfish | kwhk, yes; not that much; probably if this is an upgrade |
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| 13:08.59 | themill | kodapa: you'd need to set histappend; remember that the history is only saved when you exit the shell cleanly |
| 13:10.40 | kodapa | themill: aha, so without it one bash could rewrite the whole bash_history? |
| 13:10.54 | kodapa | instead of append.. why is this not default? :P |
| 13:10.58 | kwhk | dutchfish, thanks. so, if i will have to options of gnome and xfce? right? how can i do that? |
| 13:11.05 | dutchfish | kwhk, either in the installer or aptitude (interactive) -> Tasks -> enduser -> Xfce |
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| 13:13.59 | RDash | Any one managed to get UT4 (Pre Alpha) to run? |
| 13:14.13 | RDash | touches dutchfish wile he's in his aquarium |
| 13:14.30 | kwhk | dutchfish, thanks. brb |
| 13:14.43 | dutchfish | kwhk, yw |
| 13:15.29 | kodapa | themill: did I understand it correctly? :P |
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| 13:30.04 | RDash | [Callstack] 06 0x00007f6825022045 /home/rdash/LinuxNoEditor/Engine/Binaries/Linux/libopenal.so.1(+0x2c045) [0x7f6825022045] |
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| 13:30.15 | RDash | libopenal is installed : / |
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| 13:33.00 | RDash | SIGSEGV: invalid attempt to access memory at address 0x147b2000 |
| 13:33.02 | RDash | related to it : / |
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| 13:34.03 | bobi1024 | hi guys |
| 13:34.16 | bobi1024 | I'm running debian testing on Toshiba Tecra Z50 |
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| 13:34.39 | bobi1024 | and the keyboard illumination buttons are not changing the mode |
| 13:34.50 | bobi1024 | I get toshiba_acpi: Illumination device not available from the dmesg |
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| 13:35.02 | bobi1024 | the illumination is working itself |
| 13:35.04 | TheEagerPadawan | is there a way to open office formats (eg docx etc) on linux with having the layout going bonkers? Or even better installing the office suite on linux |
| 13:35.09 | bobi1024 | but can't chage mode |
| 13:35.22 | bobi1024 | my kernel is 3.19.0-trunk-amd64 |
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| 13:36.06 | cariveri | Hey. Is there a way to excute a program on a server while the GUI is created on the local machine connecting to that server via ssh? |
| 13:36.14 | bobi1024 | i see some kernel patches but can't figure if they are applied and if they work |
| 13:37.00 | bobi1024 | cariveri: ssh -X ? |
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| 13:37.41 | cariveri | bobi1024: doesnt that required X11 on the server? but it is headless. |
| 13:38.26 | bobi1024 | cariveri: it does |
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| 13:38.51 | TheEagerPadawan | @cariveri you may want to look at this: http://xmodulo.com/how-to-enable-x11-forwarding-using-ssh.html |
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| 13:40.41 | cariveri | bobi1024: and I just read it is a vulnerable way. perhaps finding the necessary ports for usual ssh forwarding is the key. |
| 13:40.51 | TheEagerPadawan | and if you want linux to windows you use xming :) |
| 13:41.07 | cariveri | I dont care for windows. |
| 13:41.12 | TheEagerPadawan | (y) |
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| 13:43.22 | jelly | cariveri: X11 forwarding needs a local X server, not a remote one |
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| 13:44.35 | cariveri | jelly: ok. still it is deemed insecure according to its on man page. |
| 13:44.45 | jelly | cariveri: what man page? |
| 13:45.22 | cariveri | man ssh -X |
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| 13:46.16 | bobi1024 | guys any pointers for "toshiba_acpi: Illumination device not available" ? |
| 13:46.55 | jelly | cariveri: well sure, root on the remote system gets access to your X session. If you consider that a problem, there's really no easy way to get a remote app visible on your X at all |
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| 13:48.20 | cariveri | jelly: yes. that why I think it is better to understand the ports for my task. then I can start a local gui app and connect it securely to the servers listeners. |
| 13:48.51 | jelly | cariveri: this is really an X11 problem that you're ignoring every day, every time you open web sites in your browser, and every time you use flash or enable javascript |
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| 13:50.35 | bobi1024 | cariveri: I might understand your question wrong |
| 13:51.01 | bobi1024 | cariveri: You want to connect GUI of some app running ot tcp port on your server remotely |
| 13:51.02 | jelly | cariveri: however if the remote machine is under your control, X11Forwarding is as secure as that machine |
| 13:51.10 | bobi1024 | cariveri: is that correct ? |
| 13:51.53 | cariveri | jelly: yes it is under my controle except for few hosting admins at times and a coworker. |
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| 13:53.40 | cariveri | bobi1024: Id like to connect the mailing system from a server to a local gui app to manage mails. otherwise I would be forced to use mutt on the ssh connected remote shell, which isnt that comfortable for nongeeky coworkers. |
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| 13:55.21 | cariveri | bobi1024: mailing through the backdoor sotospeak instead of the usual way. the server is set up not to send and receive any mails from and to the outer world. a monad mailing place. |
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| 13:56.48 | bobi1024 | cariveri: Is it possible to use ssh port forwarding ? |
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| 13:57.30 | cariveri | bobi1024: I was forwarding port 25 without mailing success yet. |
| 13:57.32 | Zerock | Why is transmission-daemon throwing a 403 error when I connect with the remote client? I see no error logs, the login credentials are correct, and the RPC path exists. |
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| 13:58.03 | cariveri | bobi1024: just found this: https://debian-administration.org/article/487/SMTP_via_a_SSH_tunnel |
| 13:58.38 | bobi1024 | cariveri: Yes that is what I ment |
| 13:58.46 | jelly | cariveri: then set up imap and submission services and forward those, instead of using a local MUA |
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| 13:59.53 | cariveri | jelly: never did that. got a tutorial? |
| 14:00.31 | jelly | cariveri: no tutorials for that particular setup |
| 14:00.38 | bobi1024 | cariveri: I often use ssh port forwaring for servces that have limited access like MySQL e.g. |
| 14:00.41 | cariveri | bobi1024: but sylpheed is requiring me to specify pop3 server too. Im not sure if I need to forward something from that too. |
| 14:00.57 | jelly | use imap instead of pop3 |
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| 14:01.24 | cariveri | jelly: sylpheed doesnt know about imap it seems. |
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| 14:02.12 | jelly | cariveri: that's just silly in 2015 |
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| 14:03.33 | bobi1024 | cariveri: Why not use claws-mail ? |
| 14:03.36 | jelly | but sure, you can forward pop3 instead of, or in addition to imap |
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| 14:05.24 | cariveri | so I would need to have two port forwardings ? one for smtp (sending) and one for pop (getting) ? |
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| 14:06.04 | jelly | set up something like dovecot-pop3d, make it listen on localhost only, then ssh -L10110:localhost:110 -L10025:localhost:25 remote |
| 14:06.14 | jelly | cariveri: yes |
| 14:06.33 | Uzell | Hi. I just installed Jitsi because I want to test it as an Skype replacement. Unfortunately, I don't have contacts by now. Somebody here who is interested to test it with me? |
| 14:06.35 | valdyn | sylpheed does of course support imap and does not require pop3 |
| 14:07.10 | jelly | sending should be done using submission, not smtp service, but it doesn't really matter if it's only listening on localhost |
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| 14:18.38 | jonny_ | what do you think about postgresql.org's repo containing debian packages of pg-8.4, 9.1, 9.2, 9,3 and 9.4 for wheezy, jessy and sid? |
| 14:19.28 | jonny_ | are the packages any good? I do need particular versions of pg, as they have and house in their repo |
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| 14:24.06 | Kitcat711 | is there anyone using an OVH mutu pro offer? |
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| 14:26.49 | cariveri | thanks a lot. Ill think about doing it the imap way. |
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| 15:07.59 | ledufakademy1 | hello |
| 15:10.22 | cinnamon | is the Intel Coporation wifi open source? |
| 15:12.23 | centrx | cinnamon, most of them are non-free: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 15:14.00 | JyZyXEL | sometimes when purging kernels you get a warning like: "failed to remove lib/modules directory not empty" and there are files called "build" and "source" left in the directory |
| 15:14.14 | JyZyXEL | i suspect that dkms is leaving these files there? |
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| 15:16.33 | centrx | Sounds reasonable |
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| 15:18.54 | ledufakademy1 | how can ahve two web site on my debian apache2 ? |
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| 15:19.17 | ledufakademy1 | must i create another 2 .conf file ? |
| 15:19.50 | centrx | ledufakademy1, I don't know, try #apache |
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| 15:24.37 | ledufakademy1 | ok |
| 15:24.57 | ledufakademy1 | i think it's a debin issue because it's work with opensuse |
| 15:26.11 | centrx | You asked how to do it, you can do it the same way in Debian as in OpenSuse |
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| 15:32.45 | jonny_ | does apacke need a hostname and an IP? |
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| 15:34.09 | jonny_ | ledufakademy1, I think the only thing debian maints did differently was split the config files differently |
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| 15:39.12 | jonny_ | ledufakademy1: look at the apache startup script in /etc/init,d, probably you can find the first file apache uses as config (and probably you want to figure out how the configs work in debian, that's a way to start, not the only way) |
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| 15:42.18 | jonny_ | I'm installing it now so I have better chance of finding stuff (obviously, I don't use apache as web server) |
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| 15:45.50 | jonny_ | I'd probably be more interested in helping if I knew you were listening |
| 15:46.14 | centrx | yeah give up all hope |
| 15:46.18 | centrx | he's dead Jim |
| 15:46.29 | jonny_ | apparantly |
| 15:47.00 | jonny_ | still, I did install it... let's see if I can unravel this sphagetti |
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| 15:56.35 | blonkel | hey, i got trouble starting up a service on boot |
| 15:56.40 | blonkel | it dumps a stacktrace |
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| 15:56.49 | blonkel | on the terminal, how can i log this? |
| 15:57.09 | blonkel | (its not in dmesg) |
| 15:57.14 | jonny_ | howbout put it in a file and then cat it |
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| 15:58.04 | htqp | or restart the service after boot |
| 15:58.31 | jonny_ | maybe it needs something started before it can start |
| 15:59.18 | jonny_ | when you say "stack trace", that could be anything and come from anywhere |
| 15:59.46 | ledufakademy1 | i'm here but searching everywhere !;-) |
| 16:00.02 | ledufakademy1 | thank you jonny |
| 16:00.24 | ledufakademy1 | the web site : it's just the debian repository |
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| 16:00.35 | ledufakademy1 | i want to share it for install party |
| 16:00.52 | jonny_ | ledufakademy1, so you know, I'm looking around in /usr/share/doc/apache2 |
| 16:00.56 | ledufakademy1 | the repository is located on my external usb hard drive |
| 16:01.21 | ledufakademy1 | it's seem that apache2 doesn't like external hd |
| 16:01.25 | jonny_ | so that a bunch of partyers can install it from your network? |
| 16:01.35 | ledufakademy1 | yep your right |
| 16:01.47 | ledufakademy1 | because ou r bandwitdh is too light |
| 16:02.14 | blonkel | jonny_ its just happening on boot |
| 16:02.17 | ledufakademy1 | so i prepare an external hd with apt-mirror (two file : debian and ubntu repo) |
| 16:02.27 | jonny_ | so the configs and especially the startup scripts are convoluted, it's going to take time to figure this out |
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| 16:02.34 | ledufakademy1 | 400 gb of data ;-) |
| 16:02.43 | bremmyfag | hey ;-) |
| 16:02.53 | jelly | ledufakademy1: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz read about directory structures and a2ensite |
| 16:03.05 | bremmyfag | oh shit |
| 16:03.07 | bremmyfag | jelly is an op isnt he |
| 16:03.15 | jonny_ | blonkel: so that means it does need other stuff before it can start |
| 16:03.18 | bremmyfag | well better get it over with |
| 16:03.20 | bremmyfag | Bremsstrahlung FUCK YOU |
| 16:03.23 | bremmyfag | YOU FUCK |
| 16:03.25 | bremmyfag | :-D |
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| 16:06.55 | jonny_ | ledufakademy1: yea, it's a good idea you learn how the apache dir structure is set up before you do anything (you might decide to go with a different web server after looking at that... or it might be obvious and right up your alley) |
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| 16:08.22 | jelly | jonny_: they don't have to obey the debian /etc/apache2 config setup if they don't want to |
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| 16:09.26 | jonny_ | yeah, I guess there is that.. but how easy is it if they go with another setup? |
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| 16:10.25 | jonny_ | like, don't they have to start by altering /etc/init.d/apache2? |
| 16:10.34 | jelly | no |
| 16:10.57 | Pyro_Killer | yello, I need to compile the latest Lua, and I have NO clue how to do so, could anyone give me a hand, it's pure ANSI C, and I want it fully installed |
| 16:11.13 | jelly | jonny_: read that readme file instead of guessing |
| 16:11.28 | ledufakademy1 | i'm on debian jessie (laptop) so it's systemd ! |
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| 16:12.05 | blonkel | mhh |
| 16:12.12 | blonkel | is @reboot not working for debian crontabs? |
| 16:12.20 | abrotman | Pyro_Killer: why the latest? |
| 16:12.29 | abrotman | blonkel: yes, it works |
| 16:12.51 | Pyro_Killer | abrotman: because the one in the wheezy mirror is ancient, and I want to try thhe new features |
| 16:12.54 | Pyro_Killer | in 5.3 |
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| 16:16.39 | centrx | Pyro_Killer, What is the name of the package? |
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| 16:17.34 | abrotman | can't find the main lua package .. |
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| 16:18.54 | abrotman | found it |
| 16:19.17 | Pyro_Killer | https://packages.debian.org/stable/lua |
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| 16:19.35 | abrotman | Pyro_Killer: I was looking to see if a bakcport already existed, but it doesn't .. so you'd probably start in #lua and read the insructions on compiling lua |
| 16:19.39 | abrotman | Pyro_Killer: it's actually lua5.1 |
| 16:20.03 | abrotman | Pyro_Killer: but there is 5.2 in Wheezy also |
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| 16:20.19 | Pyro_Killer | I'll try a generic way first... |
| 16:20.43 | Pyro_Killer | I really want to try 5.3: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/readme.html#changes |
| 16:21.43 | abrotman | Pyro_Killer: http://www.lua.org/start.html |
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| 16:22.18 | abrotman | !b-e Pyro_Killer |
| 16:22.19 | dpkg | Pyro_Killer: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 16:22.41 | Pyro_Killer | Like that's not the first thing I do after update and upgrade |
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| 16:22.56 | abrotman | just making sure :) |
| 16:23.19 | Pyro_Killer | It was in earlier versions I got a lot |
| 16:23.25 | Pyro_Killer | of errors if it was not installed |
| 16:23.29 | Pyro_Killer | though it wa son ubuntu |
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| 16:47.09 | zifxify | I have an old crucial M4 drive 128Gb which supports trim but if I just use let's say 7% overprovision 9621MB, can I just disable TRIM support on LUKS,LVM ? |
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| 16:53.17 | aphorise | Is there a way I can revert changes made to my system after having added "sid" to sources.list? |
| 16:53.26 | tremon | zifxify: last I checked, luks didn't send any trim commands to the underlying storage anyway, as its leaks information about which blocks are used vs free |
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| 16:53.40 | aphorise | getting a lot of conflict and install issues after doing that |
| 16:53.52 | aphorise | Was trying to get to one app. |
| 16:54.11 | tremon | aphorise: not in any supported way. You can try to downgrade packages manually, which might work |
| 16:54.18 | tremon | or it may blow up your system |
| 16:54.47 | aphorise | tremon yes last time it did that :-( |
| 16:55.09 | tremon | aphorise: normally, I would just tell you to remove sid from your sources.list and wait ten days, but with the release freeze I can't say for sure that that will work |
| 16:55.14 | aphorise | whats the best way generally to install specific packages from sid without affecting my system wide configurations? |
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| 16:55.29 | tremon | aphorise: are you running testing or stable/ |
| 16:55.30 | tremon | ? |
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| 16:56.04 | aphorise | tremon "sid main" |
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| 16:56.27 | aphorise | Thats testing right? |
| 16:56.32 | tremon | sid is unstable |
| 16:56.39 | tremon | I meant "what did you before you added sid to your sources |
| 16:56.52 | mtn | aphorise: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 16:57.03 | aphorise | tremon before I had "wheezy main non-free contrib" only |
| 16:57.38 | tremon | oh ok, then there is no simple solution. I would advise you to either reinstall, or dist-upgrade to jessie (current testing) |
| 16:58.00 | tremon | I would hope that sid and jessie haven't diverged too much |
| 16:58.15 | tremon | !tell aphorise -about ssb |
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| 16:58.47 | tremon | as for the general best practice, see what dpkg told you. The best solution to get packages from sid onto stable is to use a source backport |
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| 17:04.08 | zifxify | tremon: Adding discard to /etc/crypttab enables TRIM support for Luks as I had done but like you said it leaks block information so instead I just wanted to overprovision instead of using trim (If it helps to spare the ssd lifetime ?) |
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| 17:06.14 | tremon | zifxify: that should work fine, although the usefulness of those spare sectors is still being debated |
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| 17:07.36 | tremon | I'm not familiar with the quality of crucial's firmware |
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| 17:09.02 | zifxify | lot's of firmware updates in the past for the M4 but now it's stable I think I'm just gonna use the 7% overprovision then :) |
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| 17:10.37 | voidvoid | i always haven been using debian .. but i find elementary os practical ... does it is a bit gay ? |
| 17:10.54 | voidvoid | i've got a complex with debian and other distros |
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| 17:17.48 | jelly | voidvoid: what's your native language? |
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| 17:18.59 | blonkel | prw-rw-rw- |
| 17:19.07 | blonkel | how do i get the 'p' flag= |
| 17:19.10 | blonkel | ? |
| 17:19.27 | jelly | blonkel: that's not a flag, that's the type of file |
| 17:19.49 | jelly | it's not a normal file -, it's not a directory d, it's a named pipe p |
| 17:19.57 | blonkel | ah ic |
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| 17:20.00 | blonkel | thank you :) |
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| 17:35.42 | Deniska80 | hello, can't understand one thing - is it possible to mount fs on DRBD device on Secondary host and use it on read only? |
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| 17:40.33 | dutchfish | Deniska80, as far as i understand each layer has its own security (read: access) level; one doesnt exlcude the other but works additive |
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| 17:41.20 | dutchfish | exclude* |
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| 17:42.49 | Deniska80 | dutchfish: i.e. i can mount it on secondary to read only access? ^) |
| 17:42.52 | voidvoid | blonkel spanish |
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| 17:44.36 | dutchfish | Deniska80, the same as you mount an lvm volume, so in theory, yes; again it all depends on each levels security |
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| 17:45.22 | dutchfish | Deniska80, see also mount ro and how lvm and DRBD can be stiched together |
| 17:45.56 | Deniska80 | dutchfish: thx ;) |
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| 17:46.03 | dutchfish | Deniska80, yw |
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| 17:50.46 | dutchfish | Deniska80, DRBD can be understood as network based raid-1, thats basically all |
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| 18:06.24 | Pymous | Hello ! o/ |
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| 18:08.31 | Pymous | A friends of mine try to install libcurl4-gnutls-dev:i386 on a x64 Debian (Wheezy) but get the error : http://pastebin.com/ksTBUx1B |
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| 18:08.45 | Pymous | Any idea ? |
| 18:09.17 | saptech | hi all |
| 18:09.40 | saptech | I'm using lxpanel with openbox wm. I added the network manager to the panel, when I want to configure the manager, it opens and at the bottom of the window, it show a Lock, when I click the lock to configure it, the lock doesn't unlock. Is it something missing? |
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| 18:09.57 | saptech | I installed a netinstall |
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| 18:10.40 | SynrGy | Pymous: do you have access to that system right now? |
| 18:10.57 | Pymous | SynrG : I do, yes |
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| 18:11.40 | SynrGy | Pymous: please 1. use paste.debian.net, not pastebin.com, 2. prefix your commands with LC_ALL=C (so that they show in english) 3. in addition to retrying the same command and showing output, also show the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 18:11.50 | SynrGy | !pastebin.com |
| 18:11.50 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:12.43 | Pymous | SynrG : The apt-get install error : http://paste.debian.net/160133/ |
| 18:13.39 | Pymous | SynrG : And the command you asked : http://paste.debian.net/160134/ |
| 18:15.00 | SynrGy | Pymous: ok. maybe a multiarch conflict, then |
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| 18:15.32 | SynrGy | not all packages in wheezy are multiarch-ready |
| 18:16.03 | jonny_ | it makes sure WE don''t post ads, while IT floods us with ads. don't use pastebin.com |
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| 18:16.58 | Pymous | ^^ |
| 18:17.06 | Pymous | SynrG : Upgrade to Jessie then ? |
| 18:17.13 | Pymous | or Sid ? |
| 18:17.24 | SynrGy | i wouldn't say that for certain, yet. i haven't finished the analysis |
| 18:17.40 | Pymous | Ok, take your time ^^ |
| 18:17.43 | SynrGy | that's a lot of dependencies to check. it's unclear to me where the conflict is. |
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| 18:18.18 | Pymous | Yeah, libcurl4-gnutls have a good list of dep :P |
| 18:18.25 | Pymous | If you need any other command, I'm here ! :D |
| 18:19.15 | jonny_ | you might find the upgrade and/or the result to be annoying... or not |
| 18:19.24 | SynrGy | there are some third-party repos in the apt-cache policy but none that i think would be implicated in this conflict |
| 18:19.38 | SynrGy | but you never know |
| 18:20.19 | Pymous | Wan't me to remove them temporarly ? |
| 18:20.48 | jonny_ | that won't necessarily change what's currently installed |
| 18:20.52 | SynrGy | well, that may or may not help if packages are already ahead of wheezy |
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| 18:22.26 | Pymous | SynrG : Same result with every non default repo |
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| 18:23.31 | Pymous | removed |
| 18:23.39 | Pymous | Every non-default repo removed :P |
| 18:23.47 | SynrGy | Pymous: sometimes i've been able to get better info out of apt about the nature of the conflict by installing just the lowest level conflicting dep first |
| 18:24.07 | Pymous | SynrG : Wich is ? |
| 18:24.16 | SynrGy | i suspect one of those -dev packages depends on a library that is not yet multiarch |
| 18:24.27 | SynrGy | the question is which ... |
| 18:24.30 | jonny_ | is it possible to list all packages not from a repo in sources.list (or sources.list.d/*.list)? |
| 18:24.54 | SynrGy | i just start from the end and work my way back up to the top, e.g. |
| 18:25.15 | SynrGy | apt-get install zlib1g-dev:i386 |
| 18:26.06 | jonny_ | you mean start with packages of executables, and end with packages of libs? |
| 18:26.07 | Pymous | SynrG : http://paste.debian.net/160139/ |
| 18:26.07 | Pastaf | since curlftpfs is slow, what should one use as an alternative? |
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| 18:27.11 | jonny_ | an fs built over ftp seems like it;s gonna be intrinsically slow |
| 18:27.37 | SynrGy | so is zlib1g itself not multiarch? |
| 18:27.46 | SynrGy | !multiarch |
| 18:27.47 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 18:27.54 | Pastaf | jonny_, it's a bug. Even for an FTP file system, it's still verrry slow. |
| 18:27.57 | SynrGy | see that page as to how you can tell if a package is or not |
| 18:28.01 | SynrGy | i gotta go. |
| 18:28.03 | SynrGy | later |
| 18:28.10 | Pymous | Bye :) |
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| 18:28.41 | jonny_ | pastaf, sounds painful |
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| 18:29.13 | Pastaf | it broke with a libcurl3-gnutils update a good while back |
| 18:29.37 | jonny_ | did ncsa do anything with ftp fses? |
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| 18:31.21 | jonny_ | Pastaf, it may be that the lib or the executable changed enough so you have to upgrade them together |
| 18:31.38 | jonny_ | or at least both of them |
| 18:32.00 | Pastaf | this isn't an issue just for me, it's an issue everywhere... |
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| 18:32.54 | jonny_ | hmm, maybe that suggests a group of people who have experience with what works better |
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| 18:33.33 | Pastaf | maybe I could find somebody from said group on this channel. |
| 18:35.42 | jonny_ | maybe, and I personally haven't used fses over ftp... I did use webdav before, pretty flexible and pretty fast |
| 18:36.03 | jonny_ | it's also not ftp tho |
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| 18:40.10 | trysten | abrotman: i successfully booted a debootstapped system using grub-install. all i had to do was change the root= param to the initrd or kernel. i made a custom menu entry for the first boot, then ran update-grub. everything seems to be ok! |
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| 19:24.19 | sakujo | hey there. i might have to disable ehci_hcd to get my bluetooth dongle to work. will that affect the internal SD card? |
| 19:24.51 | sakujo | is the sd card just connected to the internal USB controller? |
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| 19:29.27 | lrvick | So I did an upgrade from debian wheezy to jessie. In the end I ended up with these "leftover" /etc files that don't belong to any package, and don't exist on my direct (non upgraded) jessie installs. Can I nuke these: http://pastie.org/pastes/10007820/text ? |
| 19:30.49 | jelly | lrvick: do you have postfix installed on the machines you installed jessie without upgrading? |
| 19:31.05 | jelly | in other words, do the package sets match? |
| 19:31.30 | lrvick | yeah. should of mentioned that. I forced the package sets to match |
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| 19:32.06 | lrvick | here are my setup steps on the new system: https://github.com/hashbang/shell-etc/blob/master/setup.sh |
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| 19:32.32 | jelly | lrvick: is postfix installed or not? |
| 19:32.40 | lrvick | basically trying to get new wheezy vms to end up looking like my existing jessie machine |
| 19:32.43 | lrvick | yes |
| 19:32.46 | jelly | also nscd and nslcs |
| 19:32.49 | jelly | also nscd and nslcd |
| 19:33.13 | sakujo | to answer your question, sakuj0, yes, ehci affects sd cards |
| 19:33.22 | jelly | lrvick: it's unusual not to have /etc/mailname if postfix is installed |
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| 19:33.51 | jelly | first MTA you install asks you to fill that up with a fqdn/domain of the system |
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| 19:34.54 | lrvick | oh, I handle that in main.cf |
| 19:35.23 | jelly | the other files also seem they might have valid reasons |
| 19:35.28 | lrvick | I also install everything noninteractive with -y -q |
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| 19:36.10 | lrvick | they don't exist on my existing 8.0 system though. I hesitate to commit them and propigate them to my other 8.0 machines as they seem orphaned |
| 19:36.13 | lrvick | hrm |
| 19:36.24 | jelly | lrvick: /etc/mailname is used by other stuff as well. How do you preseed answers to debconf questions? |
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| 19:36.51 | jelly | the /etc/rc?.d stuff is not relevant on a systemd installation |
| 19:37.08 | jelly | the cdrom setup is not relevant on a system without a cd/dvd device |
| 19:37.19 | jonny_ | if you're gonna blow em away, save them somewhere; make a backup... then watch your logs to see if something really needed them |
| 19:37.20 | lrvick | jelly: It would except I install with export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 19:37.22 | jelly | the serial console is not relevant on a system without a serial port |
| 19:37.34 | jelly | etc. |
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| 19:37.54 | jelly | lrvick: you're missing some useful questions there, then |
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| 19:38.28 | lrvick | jelly: I have to do everything in an automated way. potentially setting up hundreds of systems. |
| 19:38.40 | jelly | !preseed |
| 19:38.41 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 19:39.05 | lrvick | jelly: those questions are just going to create /etc files though, right? |
| 19:39.35 | jelly | these answers provide some defaults that get translated into /etc files contents |
| 19:39.55 | jelly | lrvick: like /etc/mailname |
| 19:40.01 | jonny_ | and if they don't, certain things (that are installed, and that start up at boot) won't work. watch your logs at boot |
| 19:40.19 | lrvick | jelly: I set up the machines with etckeeper and copy over all configs frommy working system |
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| 19:40.26 | lrvick | thus why I amwilling to do non interactive |
| 19:40.41 | lrvick | I jsut want to force all packages to be in sync, and force /etc to be in sync |
| 19:40.46 | lrvick | and get a near identical system |
| 19:40.50 | lrvick | is the goal |
| 19:41.18 | jelly | I think we addressed most of that list. |
| 19:41.53 | lrvick | Ok yeah so the rc.d stuff are artifacts of the old system. |
| 19:42.02 | lrvick | re: mailname though, what else uses this? |
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| 19:42.11 | lrvick | i have a working ldap postfix setup im grabbing configs from |
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| 19:43.04 | jonny_ | maybe the things that are installed and that startup at boot, are not relevent to you... maybe it's "ok" to leave things as they are... if you find out that's not the case, maybe arrange in the preseed to not install them, or to install them and properly configure them |
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| 19:43.42 | jonny_ | it's up to you; it's your machones, they can work as much or as little as you want |
| 19:43.57 | jelly | jonny_: preseed is just about debconf answers, not package selection\ |
| 19:44.17 | lrvick | I am not using any preceed as I have all my etc files (and package list) from my reference system. |
| 19:44.19 | jelly | jonny_: are you sure you know what you're talking about? |
| 19:44.24 | lrvick | somygoal is to get N number of Vm's |
| 19:44.27 | lrvick | to match my reference system |
| 19:45.04 | jonny_ | yes, especially with the "it's your machine, you can do anything you want" |
| 19:45.05 | lrvick | the vms however start out as wheezy, so trying to force update, force package list to match, and copy over /etc dir,allnon interactive |
| 19:45.26 | jonny_ | did -you- know that? |
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| 19:46.30 | jelly | lrvick: /etc/mailname is where debian policy puts the machine's domain. Some mail-related tools use it, including MTAs by default |
| 19:47.17 | sakujo | how can i disable ehci_hcd, used by ehci_pci? |
| 19:47.23 | sakujo | ehci_pci is used by nothing |
| 19:47.43 | jelly | lrvick: eg. mutt is patched to read it |
| 19:48.01 | jelly | postfix as well, as you've noticed already |
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| 19:50.13 | lrvick | SoI have a fairly customized postfix setup where an external mailserver acts as incoming MX,looks up mail in LDAP, routes it to the appropriate individual system, (one of the machiens we are discussiong) which then simply drops it off in user Maildirs, which mutt happily reads. |
| 19:50.18 | lrvick | so then the only variable here is outgoing mail |
| 19:50.28 | lrvick | which mutt by default seems to try localhost |
| 19:50.33 | lrvick | in the absense of /etc/mailname |
| 19:50.51 | lrvick | so that has worked out so far... |
| 19:51.17 | jelly | mutt was just an example, I don't know what other affected tools you might have installed |
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| 19:51.38 | jelly | I'd suggest generating or leaving /etc/mailname |
| 19:52.10 | lrvick | incoming mail is fully handled. Wont outgoing always default to trying localhost? If not, should i put 'localhost' in /etc/mailname ? |
| 19:52.15 | lrvick | to make it generic |
| 19:52.43 | jelly | definitely not |
| 19:53.02 | sakujo | how do i disable ehci? i tried blacklisting ehci_pci and ehci_hcd. i tried modprobe -r ehci_hcd, it is in use by ehci_pci. i tried modprobe -r ehci_pci - i lose control of my file system that is on USB. i tried rmmod ehci_pci ehci_hcd and i again lose my file system |
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| 19:55.01 | jelly | lrvick: in general, content of that file is used as domain part in generated sender email address <username@etc-mailname-here> when a message is created and sent locally. https://wiki.debian.org/EtcMailName |
| 19:55.13 | lrvick | jelly: my actual mailserver is mail.mydomain.com, but it only handles incoming mail. outgoing is handeled locally on each machine. so should /etc/mailname then reflect the universal 'FROM:' domain? e.g bare 'mydomain.com' |
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| 19:55.21 | jelly | lrvick: sending out mail as <foo@localhost> is not a good idea. |
| 19:55.42 | lrvick | ok so then 'mydomain.com' if i expect outgoing mail to be seen as 'user@mydomain.com' |
| 19:55.42 | jelly | lrvick: yes, that's right |
| 19:55.56 | lrvick | ok so it does not actually hac to be -this- systems hostname |
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| 19:56.00 | lrvick | that makes sense then |
| 19:56.26 | jelly | that's why it's separate from /etc/hostname and friends. |
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| 19:57.20 | lrvick | Fair enough. ok well then I will commit that... then somehow script purging these other leftover files form wheezy |
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| 20:01.49 | lrvick | unrelated: Is there a "right" debian way to do "run this command on the next boot, and never again" |
| 20:02.12 | lrvick | or should I just toss something in rc.local that deletes itself after run |
| 20:02.26 | jonny_ | lrvick, what did you mean by "... then somehow script purging these other leftover files form wheezy"? that it's somehow doing that and you want to know why? or that you want the script to purge them and you want to know how? |
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| 20:03.32 | lrvick | jonny_: I mean to say I don't want any untracked/useless files being propigated around, as all systems share a common etckeeper repo. looks like 'git clean -f' will do the job though. |
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| 20:06.11 | jonny_ | lrvick: do the files in /etc that are also stored in git (thay are stored in git, right?) have to be different for each installed machine, or do they have to be the same for all machines? |
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| 20:06.52 | lrvick | they need to be the same for all machines, save for a select few files i have .gitignored like machine-id shadow, network files, etc |
| 20:07.28 | jonny_ | so those that have to be different, are not tracked? |
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| 20:08.23 | lrvick | yeah, each machine will have its own network settings, machine id, hostname, and will end up with different users. so i don't track those files. |
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| 20:08.38 | lrvick | Its kind of an odd use case. Managing a fleet of free public shellboxes |
| 20:08.59 | jonny_ | so I guess /etc/mailname will be one of the untracked |
| 20:09.23 | lrvick | allmail should appear to come from the same domain, no matter which mmox it is actually sent from |
| 20:09.32 | lrvick | so in this case i actually want it tracked, now that i understand what it does |
| 20:09.41 | lrvick | box* |
| 20:10.12 | lrvick | all outgoing mail, rgardless of which machine it is sent from should appear to come from @mydomain.com, thus /etc/mailname is now "mydomain.com" |
| 20:10.55 | jonny_ | seems you could do webmail |
| 20:11.29 | jonny_ | then the local MTA would become irrelevent (just an idea) |
| 20:11.39 | lrvick | I could. But our community is focused on teaching/learning how to do things on the terminal. |
| 20:11.43 | lrvick | the "classic" way |
| 20:12.09 | lrvick | our only web page containes a comand for a terminal based ssh account creation system. all shell-land from there |
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| 20:12.41 | jonny_ | oh, so it's a bit more than "public shell boxes", it's that but with some specific purposes |
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| 20:13.55 | jelly | lrvick: which schema are you using for mail delivery routing? |
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| 20:14.41 | jelly | I'm considering scaling my storage/pop3/imap backend to multiple machines |
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| 20:15.38 | jonny_ | can different "members of the publich who use the shells" be seated at one machine one day and a different one the next? |
| 20:16.08 | jonny_ | s/publich/public/ |
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| 20:17.06 | lrvick | jelly: So all users are in a common ldap server, our main incming MX server simply looks up the user, sees what machine they are assigned to, then relays mail there. |
| 20:17.32 | lrvick | jonny_: in general user will pick what machine they wnt to be associated with at signuo time, based on location/ping time |
| 20:17.37 | jelly | lrvick: yes, I'm interested in the specifics. |
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| 20:18.17 | lrvick | jonny_: but users that have needs for multiple boxes for projects/ideas we can set their hostname restriction to * then they cna log in anywhere. |
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| 20:18.30 | lrvick | jelly: sure, i'll go grab the configs for you. |
| 20:18.40 | jelly | much appreciated, thanks |
| 20:20.33 | mrdeb | what version of gnome is runnin in debian 8 |
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| 20:23.06 | lrvick | jelly: It is a pretty simple setup http://pastie.org/10007891 |
| 20:23.14 | lrvick | but it has been pretty reliable so far |
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| 20:23.57 | jonny_ | how much time does an install on a single machine take? |
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| 20:24.17 | jelly | lrvick: do you happen to know which schema mailRoutingAddress comes from? |
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| 20:24.35 | jelly | (ldap schema) |
| 20:25.38 | lrvick | inetLocalMailRecipient IIRC |
| 20:25.59 | lrvick | http://www.onlamp.com/excerpt/sendmailckbk_chap01/ |
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| 20:29.22 | jelly | oh, that looks... old :-) |
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| 20:31.44 | jelly | I've had a lot of fun picking a schema that allows simple group-membership queries (that our commercial antispam needs) but also multiple email addresses per user |
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| 20:33.10 | lrvick | Ah yeah. In our case the needs are very simple. New users are dropped into a new tmux session with mutt running, and their @hashbang.sh e-mail ready to use. |
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| 20:33.51 | jelly | holy shell gimmicks, Batman |
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| 20:34.34 | knosys | hey |
| 20:34.52 | jelly | hey hey. |
| 20:35.25 | knosys | why is linux so attractive? |
| 20:35.46 | jelly | I disagree with the premise of your question. |
| 20:35.54 | lrvick | jelly: Yeah they get dropped into a screen that looks like this: https://github.com/hashbang/dotfiles/blob/master/.bash_profile |
| 20:36.04 | lrvick | jelly: most of our users have never used any of this stuff before |
| 20:36.15 | jonny_ | it's magnetized |
| 20:36.20 | lrvick | trying to guide them with some working defaults ^_^ |
| 20:37.19 | jonny_ | htat';s why wwhen you poiht all linux machines north, you can tilt the world! |
| 20:37.21 | knosys | jelly: do you? how can you.. I am assuming you use linux |
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| 20:38.07 | jelly | knosys: let's cut this short: you're in a tech support channel. If you want to chat, please use #debian-offtopic. |
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| 20:38.33 | knosys | oki sorry, though could talk about anything here |
| 20:38.54 | knosys | You are right I just want to chat |
| 20:38.59 | jelly | nah, we have the side channel for socializing |
| 20:39.29 | jonny_ | do you want to install linux on your machine? or one of them? |
| 20:40.43 | knosys | no I am already using, jelly had a big point there hehehe |
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| 20:43.26 | jelly | lrvick: what do you use to create/manage/delete ldap users? |
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| 20:44.43 | lrvick | jelly: https://github.com/hashbang/provisor |
| 20:44.53 | lrvick | jelly: not finished/documented yet |
| 20:45.00 | lrvick | jelly: should be by next week when we open to new users again. |
| 20:45.23 | lrvick | jelly: already have a working tool for users to manage their ssh keys etc: https://github.com/hashbang/provisor/blob/master/bin/provisor-config |
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| 20:50.02 | eric23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:50.20 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 20:50.28 | johnfg | what pkg provides phpize? |
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| 20:51.36 | jelly | judd: file bin/phpize |
| 20:51.41 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 20:52.37 | jelly | Ah. |
| 20:52.40 | jelly | judd: file bin/phpize5 |
| 20:52.44 | judd | Search for bin/phpize5 in wheezy/i386: php5-dev: usr/bin/phpize5 |
| 20:52.52 | Amun_Ra | apt-file search⦠|
| 20:52.55 | jelly | johnfg: ^^ |
| 20:53.01 | johnfg | @jelly Thanks! |
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| 20:54.01 | johnfg | Amun_Ra: Thanks also! Getting it now. |
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| 20:54.56 | Amun_Ra | johnfg: yw :) |
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| 20:55.46 | Amun_Ra | johnfg: I always do searches a'la: apt-file search bin/whatever |
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| 20:59.34 | johnfg | Amun_Ra: good to remember. Sometimes, remembering all syntax between apt - yum - emerge will have me head scratchin. |
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| 21:04.10 | Amun_Ra | johnfg: yes, sam here |
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| 21:15.15 | cinnamon | so why do cd vs dvd? |
| 21:15.17 | cinnamon | whats the diff> |
| 21:15.43 | thewanderer1 | Hi. I'm trying to mount aufs as / instead of the original root fs. The underlying root fs will be NFSv3 (read-only). For this, however, I need to override the default behaviour of the "nfs" initramfs script, so that it does *not* mount NFS at $rootmnt. |
| 21:16.25 | thewanderer1 | Now, I could dpkg-divert the original /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs and replace it with my own, but is that the cleanest solution possible? Can I perhaps override the behaviour using /etc? |
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| 21:18.38 | cinnamon | should new users use testing or jessie? |
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| 21:19.23 | thewanderer1 | cinnamon, new users should use stable (wheezy at the moment) if at all possible, because it is the distribution meant to be actually used, not tested for breakage |
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| 21:20.44 | thewanderer1 | !tell cinnamon about releases |
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| 21:23.57 | thewanderer1 | found a relevant "bug": https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591056 -- any clues if this is possible at the moment? |
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| 21:25.09 | cinnamon | what version of debian is used in ubuntu? |
| 21:25.47 | jelly | thewanderer1: I guess a "clue" would be a bit of green in that version graph, and I don't see any green |
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| 21:27.10 | jelly | cinnamon: it depends. Sometimes they base off a snapshot of testing. Sometimes it's unstable. They also have 30%+ of their own software that did not come from debian at all |
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| 21:27.45 | cinnamon | so would it make sense to do testing if you have experience with ubuntu |
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| 21:28.19 | Pymous | I'm trying to do a small script, right now I'm trying to check if something is running or not, but I get an error (the script is in the paste too ^^ ) : http://paste.debian.net/160165/ |
| 21:28.43 | Pymous | Nevermind, it's = not == ... PHP freak |
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| 21:29.11 | jelly | Pymous: use pgrep instead. |
| 21:29.46 | Pymous | jelly : Instead of ? |
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| 21:29.56 | Pymous | grep -i ? grep -v grep ? |
| 21:30.05 | jelly | Pymous: the whole [ ] and ps and grep. if pgrep dontstarve_dedicated_server_nullrenderer >/dev/null; then echo running; else echo not running; fi |
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| 21:30.45 | thewanderer1 | actually, the whole script can be replaced with just a single `pgrep` call if your caller can interpret exit statuses |
| 21:31.01 | thewanderer1 | or, for that matter, any output |
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| 21:31.55 | Pymous | jelly : Just took your line, not working, i get "not running" |
| 21:32.06 | Pymous | thewanderer1 : sorry, just starting :P |
| 21:32.38 | jelly | Pymous: make sure the argc[0] is matching. Use -f or -x options for pgrep if you need to |
| 21:33.16 | Pymous | with -f it's working |
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| 21:34.47 | jelly | also realize that pgrep might not be installed on a base debian system (but it and its brother pkill are much nicer than similar "pidof" and "killall" tools to be worth installing) |
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| 21:40.30 | Pymous | Another question, how can I echo some color ? (red and green would be a good start :P ) |
| 21:41.07 | rabbitear_sdf | echo -e '\033[COLORNUMBERm |
| 21:41.09 | rabbitear_sdf | ' |
| 21:41.24 | Pymous | Ok, and how do I get the colornumber ? :P |
| 21:41.29 | thewanderer1 | Pymous, http://misc.flogisoft.com/bash/tip_colors_and_formatting -- enhance your google-fu :P |
| 21:41.30 | rabbitear_sdf | echo -e '\033[0;33mText' <-- yellow |
| 21:41.37 | Pymous | Thanks :) |
| 21:41.45 | rabbitear_sdf | Pymous: there's 8 basic colors |
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| 21:42.23 | rabbitear_sdf | Pymous: its enough, its hard to controll 256 colors actually, in that way |
| 21:42.50 | Pymous | Yeah, I just wan't red and green, 8 is enough for me :P |
| 21:43.19 | rabbitear_sdf | red is 31, and green is 32 |
| 21:43.24 | Pymous | Thanks :) |
| 21:43.29 | rabbitear_sdf | but all that stuff can be changed too |
| 21:43.39 | rabbitear_sdf | with .Xdefaults and stuff |
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| 21:45.01 | SynrG | http://paste.debian.net/160168/ |
| 21:45.09 | SynrG | could be useful |
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| 21:46.53 | Ooze | Are the CD-1, 2, 3, etc sequential in the debian downloads? |
| 21:47.00 | Ooze | Like do you need to go CD to CD to install? |
| 21:47.05 | Ooze | Or are they all full images each? |
| 21:47.06 | Pymous | Ok, now my whole console is in green o/ |
| 21:47.17 | dvs | Ooze: No, they contain packages from the most popular to the least. |
| 21:47.36 | Ooze | so CD-1 is full debian w/ most popular stuff? |
| 21:47.40 | Ooze | and that alone is the whole system? |
| 21:48.02 | dvs | Ooze: it contains the essential packages and the most popular. |
| 21:48.10 | Ooze | cool, thanks |
| 21:48.15 | thewanderer1 | Pymous, remember to use the color reset sequence at the end of every line that you're outputting; also if you get stuck, type `reset` |
| 21:48.28 | Pymous | Yeah, I found it |
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| 21:48.35 | rabbitear_sdf | Pymous: to zero it out \033[0m |
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| 21:48.58 | rabbitear_sdf | echo -e "\033[32mTet\033[0m" |
| 21:49.02 | rabbitear_sdf | text there |
| 21:50.02 | thewanderer1 | ok, that's enough hand-holding :P |
| 21:50.42 | axel_fly | debian still not finished :( |
| 21:50.55 | axel_fly | waiting for jessie :D |
| 21:51.15 | axel_fly | its ready, when its ready XD |
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| 21:56.46 | deni | can anyone tell me why I don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d folder? |
| 21:56.48 | deni | on jessie |
| 21:56.59 | deni | am I missing a package or something? |
| 21:57.17 | SynrGy | because you didn't create it? |
| 21:57.39 | SynrGy | there's no reason for any package to create it unless one puts something there |
| 21:59.25 | jerichowasahoax | deni: recent versions of xorg "just werk", they're completely configless |
| 21:59.30 | atrapado | Hi, I was trying to setup an imap server with dovecot, at first only for reading mail. mutt -f imaps://me@server.tld works, but evolution and icedove do not. the server says: dovecot: imap-login: Disconnected (no auth attempts in 30 secs): user=<>, rip=..., TLS handshaking: Disconnected, session=... |
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| 21:59.52 | jerichowasahoax | unless you've got a weird system, or the proprietary nvidia drivers (the latter of which come with an "nvidia-xconfig" tool you can just run and forget about) |
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| 22:02.11 | deni | jerichowasahoax: i need co configure synaptics...i have one of those f-ed up clickpads on thinkpad x240. and all the tutorials say to put a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics |
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| 22:02.40 | jerichowasahoax | deni: mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 22:02.49 | jerichowasahoax | deni: then just drop the file in and restart X if it's running already |
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| 22:03.29 | thewanderer1 | deni, oh, I've got a T440p, let me check how I handled that |
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| 22:04.22 | saptech | hello all |
| 22:04.31 | thewanderer1 | deni, you can just create the directory - I recall doing it, and in fact, I've got the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf on my system with the Clickpad settings |
| 22:04.33 | saptech | I'm using lxpanel with openbox wm. I added the network manager to the panel, when I want to configure the manager, it opens and at the bottom of the window, it show a Lock, when I click the lock to configure it, the lock doesn't unlock. Is it something missing? |
| 22:05.01 | deni | jerichowasahoax: thewanderer1 ok i didn't know i can just create the dir and that it would pick up on it. thanks for your help |
| 22:06.15 | saptech | the network manager came from gnome-system-tools pkg |
| 22:06.32 | deni | thewanderer1: i really hate the new clicpads...i see that I can buy a new touchpad with pshysical buttons...but I need to take apart the whole thing to install it, and i'm not too keen on that |
| 22:07.46 | deni | thewanderer1: can you paste your 50-synaptics.conf file? |
| 22:08.15 | thewanderer1 | deni, http://paste.debian.net/160175/ FWIW |
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| 22:16.10 | deni | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 22:25.35 | patachu | hi |
| 22:25.43 | Stijn | ih |
| 22:25.44 | Stijn | hi |
| 22:26.10 | deni | thewanderer1: can you get middle buton scrolling working? |
| 22:26.27 | patachu | just came to say, i upgradede squeeze to wheezy since it had that bunch of issues with the wireless LAN sticks and pci card |
| 22:26.39 | patachu | now it was kernel 3.x |
| 22:27.02 | thewanderer1 | deni, to be honest I haven't attempted it - my scroll bar is on the right of the pad, as has always been |
| 22:27.25 | patachu | >USB MOUSE NOT DETECTED RETORTING usb 7-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 22:27.42 | patachu | >CANT EVEN CONTROL IT |
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| 22:27.51 | patachu | >DRIVERS ARE ALL TO REINSTALL |
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| 22:28.58 | patachu | and indeed i checked the wiki, there's even more bugs than the previous one, and basically the linux mint Cd i burned has the same issue with logitech shit |
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| 22:29.20 | patachu | what's a similar version of linux i could download ? |
| 22:29.29 | patachu | that has not all these issues? |
| 22:29.49 | patachu | also in general what are you guys running |
| 22:29.58 | patachu | and on what |
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| 22:30.01 | patachu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:33.42 | jhutchins | what network-manager client would any of you recommend for xfce? |
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| 22:35.36 | deni | thewanderer1: yeah i use the middle button scroll exclusively ... this is an issue for me :( |
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| 22:39.42 | cinnamon | is 2 hours a long time for installing os on usb 1.5GB? |
| 22:40.34 | mtn | cinnamon: that is a long time to install on anything ;) |
| 22:40.48 | cinnamon | so maybe try again? |
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| 22:41.08 | cinnamon | this is the command I used: /media/cinnamon/Backup$ sudo dd if=debianos_7.0_amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc |
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| 22:42.21 | cinnamon | oh just finished |
| 22:42.22 | cinnamon | :) |
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| 22:47.36 | knosys | guys I am having some kind of problem with my linux headers, and cant start virtualbox linux kernel driver |
| 22:47.49 | knosys | do someone know why occurs this problem? |
| 22:47.57 | teraflops | cinnamon: tried dd with bs=whatever? |
| 22:48.12 | knosys | uname -a gives: Linux pcname 3.16-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.3-2 (2014-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:49.31 | mtn | knosys: did you install virtualbox from the debian repos? |
| 22:49.37 | knosys | yes |
| 22:49.59 | mtn | knosys: it should just work. which package did you install? |
| 22:50.03 | knosys | few times :P , i purged, installed kms also |
| 22:50.09 | knosys | virtualbox |
| 22:50.12 | knosys | and later , dkms |
| 22:50.37 | knosys | I think there is something wrong in my linux headers... |
| 22:50.50 | knosys | could that be? |
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| 22:51.26 | knosys | if i type uname -r there are a lot of different results, for like different architectures |
| 22:51.49 | knosys | there is the right one also, but its not 3.16-2-amd64 |
| 22:51.58 | knosys | its 3.16-0-amd64 |
| 22:52.03 | kWO901 | can i disable the power button of my laptop? as i accidentally shut down at times |
| 22:52.20 | knosys | and if i try to install 3.16-2-amd64 i cant find the file |
| 22:52.57 | patachu | kWO901:a soldering iron. |
| 22:53.50 | knosys | kWO901: maybe the gnome tweak tool ? I am not sure |
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| 22:54.26 | mtn | knosys: have you tried using synaptic? |
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| 22:54.57 | knosys | arent the same repo? |
| 22:55.07 | knosys | I am installing via apt-get |
| 22:55.31 | knosys | sorry, the answer is no |
| 22:55.36 | mtn | knosys: might make it easier to see what you are doing and find the correct packages |
| 22:55.59 | knosys | i am using debian this way to learn a bit more |
| 22:56.09 | knosys | I used synaptic with ubuntu, long ago |
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| 22:57.55 | mtn | knosys: you might also find the appropriate debian wiki pages to be helpful |
| 22:58.13 | knosys | I see, thanks |
| 22:58.52 | knosys | just to make clear, i made my search before asking here, but for sure i can continue |
| 22:59.39 | mtn | knosys: you mean you already read and followed the debian wiki for virtualbox? |
| 23:00.16 | knosys | No i searched about the error I am havinbg, when checking virtualbox service status, or when trying to start a virtual machine |
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| 23:00.33 | knosys | but now I know there is a wiki page for installing, and i will look for it |
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| 23:00.35 | knosys | thanks |
| 23:00.39 | knosys | that was helpful |
| 23:00.41 | mtn | knosys: I recommend the debian wiki as a starting point |
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| 23:03.55 | knosys | mtn: a funny thing |
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| 23:04.03 | knosys | the wiki actually describes my problem |
| 23:04.09 | knosys | and took me to the same point i reached |
| 23:04.12 | knosys | Unable to locate package linux-headers-3.16-2-amd64 |
| 23:04.31 | knosys | when: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:05.20 | aeg | knosys: did you google for that with bpo |
| 23:05.34 | knosys | bpo? |
| 23:05.40 | aeg | backport |
| 23:05.59 | knosys | I still dont understand the question |
| 23:06.06 | knosys | but i know what are the bsackports |
| 23:06.13 | knosys | named different now... nonfree? |
| 23:06.27 | knosys | no, that might be a different thing |
| 23:06.40 | frangor | wheezy-backports |
| 23:06.43 | knosys | And yes i googled for that problem |
| 23:06.49 | knosys | Using jessie |
| 23:07.05 | frangor | so, you don't need backports |
| 23:07.11 | knosys | right |
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| 23:08.40 | mtn | knosys: there is a channel just for testing/sid on oftc.net, called #debian-next |
| 23:08.46 | aeg | well all i say if you can't find a virtualbox for the kernel and kernel-headers you have .. install a kernel that is seported |
| 23:08.53 | knosys | another information that might be useful |
| 23:09.00 | knosys | this file doesnt exist on my system |
| 23:09.03 | knosys | /etc/init.d/vboxdrv |
| 23:09.06 | knosys | and it should |
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| 23:09.17 | frangor | knosys: probably you need update your kernel to 3.16.0-4 |
| 23:09.52 | knosys | mtn: I am trying to dont feel offended, hard |
| 23:09.55 | knosys | xD |
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| 23:10.05 | knosys | joke, is way more needed to offend me |
| 23:10.09 | aeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.16 | knosys | frangor: I will look into it, thanks |
| 23:10.37 | frangor | I don't speack a good english, sorry for that.. |
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| 23:10.59 | knosys | me neither, but you understand me and propose a solution |
| 23:11.03 | knosys | so thanks a lot |
| 23:11.48 | knosys | aeg: yes i believe so, is required to have build-essential and the right headers |
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| 23:12.08 | knosys | thats why i posted my uname -r information earlier and check the uname -a also |
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| 23:12.57 | frangor | knosys: apt-get install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 23:13.23 | kyudo | so why Debian and not trisquel? |
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| 23:13.48 | frangor | kyudo: trisquel is based on Ubuntu.. |
| 23:13.52 | knosys | kyudo i think its because the community :) |
| 23:14.05 | knosys | frangor: thanks |
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| 23:14.10 | kyudo | Ubuntu is based on ubuntu |
| 23:14.25 | kyudo | I mean Debian |
| 23:14.39 | aeg | kyudo: pls try #trisquel |
| 23:14.46 | frangor | kyudo: a debian without contrib/non-free repository is 100% free |
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| 23:15.10 | kyudo | I am having a hard time deciding |
| 23:15.41 | knosys | frangor: do you think is a good practice to purge the current headers? |
| 23:15.44 | knosys | before installing those? |
| 23:16.01 | kyudo | I mean Debian is easier to use |
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| 23:16.32 | kyudo | is community Debian better than trisquel? |
| 23:16.42 | rww | I'd ask the question the other way around, since I'd need a compelling reason to use a derivative of a derivative of Debian instead of Debian. |
| 23:16.54 | mtn | good point |
| 23:16.57 | rww | "omg it's free" is not one, considering so is Debian without contrib or non-free installed. |
| 23:17.44 | saptech | only 4 distros I wil install anymore |
| 23:17.50 | frangor | knosys: first try the new kernel and headers.. |
| 23:17.51 | kyudo | https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 23:17.59 | centrx | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=221807 |
| 23:18.01 | saptech | make it 5 |
| 23:18.28 | saptech | Debian, Fedora, Slackware, Mageia & Archlinux |
| 23:18.30 | kyudo | rww fsf broke with Debian because it was neutral about nonfree |
| 23:18.33 | frangor | knosys: if all goes well, remove the old kernel if you want. |
| 23:18.46 | rww | kyudo: I know very well what FSF's position on Debian is. I don't agree with them. |
| 23:18.57 | knosys | ok |
| 23:18.58 | kyudo | ok |
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| 23:19.28 | kyudo | so nonfree sw is OK? |
| 23:19.44 | kyudo | why not windows? |
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| 23:20.13 | mtn | kyudo: why not do some research online and make up your own mind? |
| 23:20.14 | frangor | kyudo: non-free software is not good, but can be necessary in some cases |
| 23:20.18 | kyudo | I can see both points |
| 23:20.34 | kyudo | I am having a discussion I have researched aome |
| 23:20.47 | kyudo | I'm not disagreeing with you |
| 23:21.08 | rww | kyudo: Debian is not non-free software if you don't have contrib or non-free installed. |
| 23:21.09 | mtn | kyudo: it is just a personal choice and what people here think doesn't really matter |
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| 23:21.25 | kyudo | its a hard balance |
| 23:21.42 | rww | Even FSF agrees with that. They don't recommend Debian because it gives you the choice of installing non-free software if you want to. I find this silly. |
| 23:21.53 | centrx | The most common use of non-free is wifi firmware for hardware |
| 23:22.07 | kyudo | ya I can't get my WiFi to work |
| 23:22.35 | kyudo | but I just bought a WiFi dongle that solves that |
| 23:23.00 | kyudo | but maybe Debian is faster and easier |
| 23:23.12 | kyudo | and still better than ubuntu |
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| 23:23.38 | sailcat | i guess you can compile non-free packages into any distro, no matter how free it is. |
| 23:23.40 | rww | Try them both and decide for yourself? |
| 23:24.06 | kyudo | its pretty hard with trisquel from a user standpoint |
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| 23:24.37 | kyudo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:24.47 | kyudo | for trisquel |
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| 23:28.17 | kyudo | u do get some actually |
| 23:28.23 | centrx | Yeah Debian uses its profits from the non-free section to pay for support ;) |
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| 23:29.42 | Skyrider1 | I'll be damned. |
| 23:30.02 | thewanderer1 | how do I tell systemd (jessie) to mount all NFS filesystems? it doesn't do it on boot for me. |
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| 23:30.31 | thewanderer1 | if I call `mount -a` manually, the fs are mounted |
| 23:30.34 | diputstoidi | which architecture is best for an Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 processor? |
| 23:30.41 | thewanderer1 | diputstoidi, amd64 |
| 23:31.16 | diputstoidi | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 23:35.51 | thewanderer1 | ok, so any ideas why systemd might be ignoring my /etc/fstab nfs entries on boot? |
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| 23:43.44 | skyalt | meh. |
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| 23:44.16 | skyalt | thatsa betta. |
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| 23:49.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 23:49.24 | rabbitear_sdf | hey |
| 23:49.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think the latest updattes to pam samba and winbind screwed up my SSO with AD |
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| 23:50.08 | rabbitear_sdf | Eryn_1983_FL: in 1983 byte magizine still existed |
| 23:50.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am running jessie on my desktop |
| 23:50.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | :/ |
| 23:50.31 | redcheckers | hi! i recently tried installing debian from a netinstall iso image cp'd to a usb device, and, well, it doesnt see my wifi card ^_^ is there a more robust cd somewhere? |
| 23:50.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | were there syntax changes? |
| 23:51.33 | rabbitear_sdf | redcheckers: MintLinux |
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| 23:51.58 | rabbitear_sdf | redcheckers: most of the time, you can download the firmware first, and make it point that |
| 23:52.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | 0i'll deal with it when i got food in my tummy |
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| 23:54.45 | patachu | ok here's my issue. mouse no longer compatible after update |
| 23:55.07 | patachu | it said "device descriptor read/64, error" whenever i plugged it on the terminal |
| 23:55.12 | patachu | how do i fix this? |
| 23:55.13 | knosys | If i have installed a newer linux image and headers, after reboot it will be used automatically? |
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| 23:55.58 | patachu | redcheckers: same story here |
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| 23:56.02 | patachu | it can |
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| 23:56.23 | patachu | detect and connect to wired network, but no wifi ever was shown or detected |
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| 23:56.40 | patachu | they said it's a firmware driver thing... |
| 23:57.00 | patachu | all the firmwares and drivers are installed since it's not the newestest hardware |
| 23:57.15 | patachu | net config files are also set up as in the book |
| 23:57.20 | patachu | you know what? |
| 23:58.10 | patachu | life is short, and badly designed, barely tested software like this is not what Debian used to be years ago when i installed it on my athlon XP |
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| 23:59.07 | patachu | the devs don't give a fuck and think it's fine shitting new "features" that makes the UI look more "user friendly" with a look even more inspired by apple crap |
| 23:59.23 | ctmjr | redcheckers: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |