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| 00:49.09 | dvs | !ask |
| 00:49.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:50.24 | d[^_^]b | linuxfool: almost nothing ever gets resolved in here |
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| 00:53.19 | abrotman | d[^_^]b: If you don't like it here, feel free to leave |
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| 00:53.50 | d[^_^]b | abrotman: perfect attitude, keep it coming |
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| 00:54.23 | abrotman | d[^_^]b: Please go cause problems elsewhere, thank you. |
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| 00:55.47 | sonion | he needs to be gotten rid of |
| 00:55.56 | dvs | ya think? |
| 00:56.05 | sonion | check the bans - for a channel this size it is out of control |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | sonion: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 00:57.09 | sonion | abrotman: what is your problem? |
| 00:57.30 | sonion | you a channel nazi? |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | sonion: This is a support channel |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | if you want to chat, please use #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:27.44 | dbc23 | ok so i installed the firmware for my usb-n53 asus wireless adapter |
| 01:27.56 | dbc23 | but now it keeps poping up asking for me to authenticate |
| 01:28.03 | dbc23 | but whenever i do it just asks me again |
| 01:28.05 | dbc23 | over and over |
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| 01:28.23 | dbc23 | then eventually i get a black screen that says failed to add ipv4 multicast membership for interface 0.0.0.0 and some other stuff |
| 01:28.26 | dbc23 | what can i do? |
| 01:30.07 | dbc23 | can someone 1 help me pls |
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| 01:39.23 | miner-49er | I have 120G of stuff I wana save on a msdos filesystem partition on my disk2 |
| 01:39.27 | miner-49er | will 120G fit? |
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| 01:40.07 | timvisher | does the debian 7.5 iso still exist anywhere? |
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| 01:40.53 | htqp | timvisher: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 01:41.37 | htqp | I don't know if the then-current packages are available on http://snapshot.debian.org/ as well |
| 01:41.53 | timvisher | htqp: thank you! i don't know why that was so hard for me to find |
| 01:42.07 | timvisher | nor do i know why we're not using 7.8 |
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| 01:42.18 | timvisher | debian is pretty stable in point releases right? |
| 01:42.36 | htqp | 7.8 is 7.3 with more recent packages |
| 01:42.37 | miner-49er | yes |
| 01:42.44 | miner-49er | 7.8? |
| 01:42.56 | miner-49er | 7.7 I thought was as far as it got |
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| 01:45.16 | arwan | hello |
| 01:45.37 | htqp | !tell timvisher about point releases |
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| 01:45.45 | arwan | can someone tell me if dd will also create a bootable usb same as the first usb |
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| 01:46.00 | miner-49er | mkfs.msdos gives me fat32 or msdos filesystem? |
| 01:46.04 | arwan | i mean i can create the same data into it |
| 01:46.14 | htqp | so whatever point release you install, when you upgrade the system with normal means, you effectively go to the latest one |
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| 01:47.07 | htqp | miner-49er: depends on the -F parameter, see ''man mkfs.msdos'' |
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| 01:47.54 | miner-49er | thx! |
| 01:47.57 | arwan | can someone help me with the dd command pls |
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| 01:48.04 | arwan | needed help |
| 01:48.04 | arwan | hello. |
| 01:48.13 | htqp | arwan: can't understand your question, please define "same" wrt what |
| 01:48.57 | dbc23 | can someone help me plzz i try to connect to my wireless network, then it keeps poping up asking for authentication no matter how many times i type it in, it does it over and over again then eventually i get a black screen that says: setsocketop(udp, id_add_membership)(0.0.0.0): No Such device ... failed to add ipv4 multicast membership for interface 0.0.0.0 and some other stuff |
| 01:49.28 | arwan | i have two usb stick. usb1 and usb2, i want to copy thesame contents of usb1 to usb2. usb1 is a bootable disk installer... |
| 01:49.28 | dbc23 | i fianlly installed the firmware for the asus usb-n53 adapter |
| 01:49.40 | dbc23 | but it wont work |
| 01:49.43 | arwan | will it create the same bootable usb |
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| 01:50.15 | arwan | htqp, |
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| 01:50.50 | mynam | dbc23: Have you tailed the message file to see if it's being issued an IP address? |
| 01:51.02 | dbc23 | how do i do that? |
| 01:51.28 | mynam | arwan: The down in dirty method would be dd if=usb1 of=usb2. Do you know the /dev paths of these two drives? |
| 01:51.35 | mynam | dbc23: tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 01:51.40 | htqp | arwan: yes, dd is a byte-per-byte copy |
| 01:52.14 | dbc23 | ok i get a lot of stuff |
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| 01:52.40 | dbc23 | host name kernel: [******] |
| 01:52.55 | mynam | dbc23: Yes, now while you are watching the message log attempt to connect to the wifi. |
| 01:52.56 | arwan | mynam thats my second question. how could i know the /dev paths |
| 01:53.00 | arwan | i want to try dd |
| 01:53.09 | dbc23 | ok |
| 01:53.21 | mynam | arwan: When you plug them in do they mount automatically? |
| 01:53.28 | arwan | yes |
| 01:53.32 | arwan | yes mynam |
| 01:54.12 | arwan | how do i see paths |
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| 01:54.32 | mynam | arwan: If you know path to where they are mounted you can run df and find the /dev paths |
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| 01:55.18 | dbc23 | it just keeps loading trying to connect |
| 01:55.25 | dbc23 | is there another command i could run? |
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| 01:55.43 | mynam | dbc23: Do you see the attempted connection in the message log? |
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| 01:55.51 | dbc23 | it asks me for my wifi password over and over again despite i keep typing it in corectly |
| 01:55.51 | dbc23 | no |
| 01:56.06 | dbc23 | it just keeps loading and the msg log is staying the same |
| 01:56.38 | dbc23 | eventually i get a black screen that says |
| 01:56.46 | dbc23 | failed to add ipv4 multicast membership for interface 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:56.52 | dbc23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.56 | dbc23 | and some other stuff |
| 01:57.20 | arwan | mynam, its this line. the source /dev/sdb 789372 789372 0 100% /media/CrunchBang |
| 01:57.34 | mynam | dbc23: Have you specified any static IP addresses? |
| 01:57.41 | dbc23 | how do i do that? |
| 01:57.45 | dbc23 | sorry |
| 01:57.47 | dbc23 | im a noob |
| 01:57.53 | dbc23 | with this |
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| 01:58.49 | mynam | dbc23: It's ok. I wanted to make sure everything was set to DHCP. I take it DHCP is functioning on the wifi? |
| 01:59.13 | mynam | arwan: For the crunchbang drive it's /dev/sdb. |
| 01:59.51 | mynam | arwan: Once you find the other path you'll use: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdX where X is the drive letter of the other drive. |
| 01:59.53 | arwan | myname the usb1 is my crunchbang installer. |
| 02:01.02 | mynam | arwan: Be advised, when you run dd to copy these drives, the destination drive will be overwritten and you'll lose any data on it. |
| 02:01.32 | arwan | i insterted the 2nd usb it it says it is /dev/sdc1 |
| 02:01.32 | arwan | /dev/sdc1 1956576 141216 1815360 8% /media/527A-EBFE |
| 02:01.32 | arwan | i want to copy it to that |
| 02:01.33 | arwan | yes im prepared for that |
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| 02:01.35 | dbc23 | mynam |
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| 02:02.00 | arwan | sorry |
| 02:02.05 | dbc23 | ipv4 setting method is set to "Automatic (DHCP) |
| 02:02.09 | dbc23 | ipv6 is set to |
| 02:02.11 | mynam | arwan: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc |
| 02:02.13 | dbc23 | Automatic |
| 02:02.13 | arwan | mynam, so how do i proceed |
| 02:02.21 | arwan | of? |
| 02:02.22 | dbc23 | should i set ipv6 to (DHCP) only |
| 02:02.22 | arwan | or if |
| 02:02.38 | mynam | arwan: if = input file, of = output file |
| 02:02.52 | arwan | ohh |
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| 02:03.05 | mynam | dbc23: What is the device name of your wireless? |
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| 02:03.08 | arwan | ok |
| 02:03.08 | arwan | let me try that now. brb |
| 02:03.11 | arwan | mynam, should i use sudo on it? |
| 02:03.16 | phix | arwan: hold on |
| 02:03.22 | dbc23 | you mean the SSID? |
| 02:03.30 | dbc23 | my adapter is |
| 02:03.32 | phix | that will wipe everything from /dev/sdc btw :) |
| 02:03.33 | dbc23 | a usb-n53 asus |
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| 02:03.51 | phix | and the drives needs to be the same size (or /dev/sdc needs to be bigger) |
| 02:03.59 | arwan | mynam, dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc <-- should it be dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc1 ? |
| 02:04.03 | dbc23 | It's a ASUS USB-N53 |
| 02:04.06 | dbc23 | wireless adapter |
| 02:04.08 | mynam | arwan: You don't need to worry about the 1, it signifies the partition. It'll be replaced with what's on the other disk. |
| 02:04.21 | arwan | ok |
| 02:04.27 | phix | arwan: no, if you want to copy the disc it would be /dev/sdc |
| 02:04.33 | anon12345 | what is a good single board computerwith built in wifi? |
| 02:04.33 | mynam | dbc23: Does it show up as wlan0 or something different? |
| 02:04.40 | dbc23 | wireless adapter |
| 02:04.42 | dbc23 | oops |
| 02:04.47 | dbc23 | how do i check this? |
| 02:04.50 | arwan | ok hangout. let me try it now, brb |
| 02:05.04 | dbc23 | how do i check what it shows up as? |
| 02:05.05 | phix | anon12345: there may be an arduino like that |
| 02:05.27 | mynam | dbc23: Quickest way is: iwconfig |
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| 02:05.53 | anon12345 | arduino is a microcontroller for hipsters, not a fully functioning computer |
| 02:06.03 | dbc23 | it doesnt recognies |
| 02:06.05 | dbc23 | iwconfig |
| 02:06.19 | anon12345 | i need to have gpio, and a usb port and to be able to stream a webcam from it |
| 02:06.29 | mynam | dbc23: In that case use: ip link |
| 02:06.29 | polyphagia | the pi? |
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| 02:06.36 | phix | anon12345: :) |
| 02:06.42 | dbc23 | what do i type? iplink?> |
| 02:06.49 | phix | anon12345: banana pi then? |
| 02:07.09 | anon12345 | meh, onboard wifi always sucks anyways. a single board computer with an awus card is much better i think |
| 02:07.13 | anon12345 | ill look at it phix |
| 02:07.23 | dbc23 | what do i type in my terminal, thx for the help again i appreciate it i got a gift card i can give u if you can help me get this working |
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| 02:07.34 | dbc23 | i gota get the wifi working on my desktop |
| 02:07.36 | phix | anon12345: banana pi has a mini pcie |
| 02:07.48 | anon12345 | :O |
| 02:07.53 | mynam | dbc23: You'll type in this: ip link |
| 02:07.58 | anon12345 | does it have bios whitelisting crap? |
| 02:08.02 | phix | anon12345: and a sata controller |
| 02:08.13 | phix | *shrugs* |
| 02:08.25 | anon12345 | hmm. most likely doesnt |
| 02:08.29 | phix | I use proper computers :) |
| 02:08.49 | anon12345 | i want to make an rc car with a camera to control over the internet |
| 02:08.55 | anon12345 | the software part is really easy |
| 02:09.01 | anon12345 | the fun part is building it |
| 02:09.04 | dbc23 | ok it says 1: lo: <loopback....> noque state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT |
| 02:09.12 | dbc23 | 2: eth0: <no-carrire...... |
| 02:09.14 | phix | The smallest one I use is an intel mini-itx |
| 02:09.41 | dbc23 | 3: ra0: <no-carrier.,/.... link/weither 60:******** brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:fff |
| 02:09.54 | phix | anon12345: use an arduino, they are cheap and have lots of IO ports for controlling stuff |
| 02:09.59 | dbc23 | link/ether 60:a4:*.... brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff... |
| 02:10.03 | arwan | mynam, phix , dd wont show the progress bar eh? So we dont have idea how long or what percent it is being done |
| 02:10.15 | anon12345 | but then again, how do i stream video? |
| 02:10.20 | mynam | arwan: How large is the drive? |
| 02:10.24 | phix | arwan: you can send dd a SIGNAL to print out progress |
| 02:10.36 | arwan | 1gb |
| 02:10.41 | arwan | 2gb |
| 02:10.42 | phix | arwan: " Sending a USR1 signal to a running `dd' process makes it print I/O statistics to standard error and then resume copying." |
| 02:10.55 | arwan | but data on it is more or else 2gb |
| 02:11.02 | anon12345 | i dont think most of them are powerful enough, and the powerful ones sometimes cost 3x more than a raspberry pi |
| 02:11.03 | dbc23 | it doesnt say wlan anywhere |
| 02:11.11 | dbc23 | just 1: lo, 2: eth0, 3: ra0 |
| 02:11.34 | phix | anon12345: probably not for video capturing, I guess use a raspberry or banana pi |
| 02:11.38 | htqp | arwan: remember to pass bs=100M to dd. If you do not pass bs, it's going to take a lot of time (copy 512 BYTES a time) |
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| 02:11.47 | anon12345 | yep |
| 02:11.49 | phix | arwan: killall -USR1 dd |
| 02:11.50 | anon12345 | most likely will |
| 02:11.59 | mynam | dbc23: What's the ether address of ra0? |
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| 02:12.17 | SirLagz | ewwwww ra0 |
| 02:12.35 | dbc23 | it says |
| 02:12.52 | dbc23 | link/ether 60:a4:4c:ec:c65:b6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 02:13.10 | dbc23 | c5:b7* |
| 02:13.11 | dbc23 | my bad |
| 02:13.19 | dbc23 | for the last two hex |
| 02:13.34 | mynam | dbc23: Ok, ra0 is your wireless. |
| 02:13.35 | phix | nice, I might use that ethernet mac to perform crimes with |
| 02:13.43 | phix | :) |
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| 02:14.04 | dbc23 | ok so what should i do now? |
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| 02:14.20 | dbc23 | is there another command |
| 02:14.22 | dbc23 | i could type |
| 02:14.24 | mynam | dbc23: grep ra0 /var/log/messages |
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| 02:15.16 | dbc23 | alright i did it |
| 02:15.33 | dbc23 | it doesnt show any messages |
| 02:15.43 | dbc23 | i got a black screen |
| 02:15.47 | dbc23 | it says |
| 02:16.06 | dbc23 | modules linkedin: fuse isofs ..... |
| 02:16.12 | dbc23 | stack: 0000030.... |
| 02:16.23 | dbc23 | cell trace: [<fff..... |
| 02:16.31 | dbc23 | Code: e8 ba 01 fd... |
| 02:16.47 | dbc23 | proccess rtmpm1metask |
| 02:17.18 | dbc23 | proccess networkmanager (pid: 2542, threadinfo ffff88801ac |
| 02:17.27 | mynam | dbc23: Your issue sounds slightly like this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=710747 |
| 02:18.09 | mynam | dbc23: It's a slightly old bug report, is your system up to date? |
| 02:18.33 | dbc23 | how can i check? |
| 02:18.57 | abrotman | dbc23: Perhaps you shuld try jessie instead of wheezy |
| 02:19.10 | dbc23 | can i check what system i have |
| 02:19.25 | mynam | dbc23: cat /etc/*relea* |
| 02:19.27 | dbc23 | how |
| 02:19.54 | dbc23 | i have |
| 02:19.59 | dbc23 | debian linux 7 wheezt |
| 02:20.02 | dbc23 | wheezy |
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| 02:21.10 | mynam | dbc23: What does this show: uname -r |
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| 02:21.32 | dbc23 | uhh |
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| 02:23.11 | dbc23 | i got another black dscreen |
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| 02:23.24 | dbc23 | failed to add ipv4 multicast membership for interface 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:23.34 | dbc23 | and Bug: unable to handle kernal paging request |
| 02:23.41 | dbc23 | at ffffcfb0111aca16c |
| 02:23.52 | mynam | dbc23: Is this a newly installed machine? |
| 02:23.58 | dbc23 | no |
| 02:24.08 | dbc23 | its several months old |
| 02:24.13 | dbc23 | 6+ |
| 02:24.15 | dbc23 | maybe |
| 02:24.54 | mynam | dbc23: What kernel version are you running? |
| 02:25.30 | dbc23 | not sure |
| 02:26.07 | dbc23 | how can i check? |
| 02:26.25 | mynam | dbc23: uname -r |
| 02:26.41 | dbc23 | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 02:29.32 | mynam | dbc23: How old is the hardware this system is running on? |
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| 02:30.32 | dbc23 | not bvery old |
| 02:30.39 | dbc23 | maybe 5-7 years max |
| 02:31.12 | phix | that is old in computer years |
| 02:31.42 | phix | to convert to human years times it by 25 :) |
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| 02:31.48 | arwan | how do i format a usb disk in fat |
| 02:31.55 | arwan | so that it can be seen on windows os |
| 02:32.08 | phix | arwan: you wouldn't, you would use NTFS |
| 02:32.30 | phix | unless you don't care about not being able to store files larger than 2Gb on it |
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| 02:32.41 | phix | or not being able to use filesystem permissions |
| 02:32.43 | arwan | sorry. ok ntfs |
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| 02:32.58 | phix | arwan: mkfs.ntfs |
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| 02:33.25 | arwan | whats the command? |
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| 02:33.30 | phix | mkfs.ntfs |
| 02:33.41 | arwan | oh |
| 02:33.53 | phix | assuming you have the ntfs tools installed |
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| 02:34.01 | arwan | first command that im aware of that uses the "." character |
| 02:34.07 | mynam | dbc23: I'm seeing some article on the interwebs talking about the error you are seeing and memory issues. |
| 02:34.15 | phix | arwan: . is valid in filenames |
| 02:34.18 | domovoy | and assuming thet there is a partition table ready? |
| 02:34.19 | shay_shay | hai |
| 02:34.45 | phix | domovoy: you don't need a partition table to write a filesystem on it, but then windows probably won't mount it :) |
| 02:34.51 | phix | linux is happy to ablidge though |
| 02:35.10 | phix | arwan: you have a partition table on the usb disc? |
| 02:35.23 | domovoy | well, that was the question "so that it can be seen on windows os" |
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| 02:36.13 | arwan | it says "/dev/sdb is entire device, not just one partition. |
| 02:36.13 | arwan | " |
| 02:36.27 | phix | domovoy: ah |
| 02:36.33 | arwan | phix none. |
| 02:36.35 | phix | arwan: do you have a /dev/sdb1? |
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| 02:36.44 | arwan | i think its a bootable crunchbng |
| 02:36.52 | phix | arwan: ok use cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 02:36.52 | arwan | i did df. none |
| 02:37.03 | phix | arwan: you did df or dd? |
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| 02:37.46 | arwan | dd |
| 02:37.46 | arwan | it was originally ntfs |
| 02:37.47 | arwan | but i made it a crunchbang installer |
| 02:37.47 | arwan | using dd |
| 02:37.47 | arwan | now i want it to be back to ntfs |
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| 02:38.05 | domovoy | lol |
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| 02:38.19 | mynam | If sdb was created from a bootable CD it's going to use a different partition style so it may or may not show up correctly. I'd use cfdisk or gparted and delete whatevers there and recreate the partitions. |
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| 02:38.44 | phix | arwan: erh, ok so you used dd to clone the disc, now you want to redo the paritioning and put a NTFS filesystem on ther? |
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| 02:39.02 | phix | cfdisk is easier to use than gparted |
| 02:39.02 | arwan | yes |
| 02:39.22 | phix | arwan: type in sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb # (assuming /dev/sdb is the correct disc) |
| 02:39.41 | arwan | ok let me try |
| 02:39.41 | arwan | i dont know the parameters to put on it though. sorry for being a newbie |
| 02:39.47 | arwan | sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb |
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| 02:39.50 | arwan | right? |
| 02:40.50 | arwan | create new partition from free space? |
| 02:40.57 | arwan | new? |
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| 02:41.23 | arwan | create partition. primary? |
| 02:41.23 | arwan | or logical |
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| 02:41.57 | phix | arwan: yes |
| 02:42.02 | domovoy | primary |
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| 02:42.07 | phix | you need to delete any old partitions there |
| 02:42.20 | phix | and no not a priomary :) windows likes it being an extended |
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| 02:42.35 | phix | domovoy: viewable in windows remember :) |
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| 02:43.07 | arwan | on type |
| 02:43.13 | arwan | there are filesystems too |
| 02:43.13 | domovoy | phix: never had any trouble with primary partitions |
| 02:43.20 | arwan | so maybe from here i can create ntfs |
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| 02:43.49 | arwan | do i need to change filesystem type on this? |
| 02:43.55 | domovoy | arwan: it just "declares" the partition type, not actually set it up |
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| 02:44.10 | arwan | ok |
| 02:44.11 | phix | domovoy: I have with earlier versions of windows |
| 02:44.16 | arwan | so write now> |
| 02:44.26 | phix | arwan: did you change the type? |
| 02:44.28 | domovoy | so yes, tell it what type it should be, then use mkfs.ntfs |
| 02:44.35 | phix | you need to change it from linux to NTFS |
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| 02:44.50 | phix | otherwise windows will explode and catch your curtains on fire |
| 02:44.58 | dvs | O_O |
| 02:45.10 | phix | dvs: too dramatic? |
| 02:45.27 | domovoy | phix: good to know, but i sure hope i'll never cross one of those (actually, i hope i'll never cross a windows, but that hope haven't realized yet) |
| 02:45.29 | dvs | quickly erases Windows before a disaster occurs |
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| 02:46.04 | arwan | phix no |
| 02:46.05 | arwan | ok |
| 02:46.31 | phix | after you change the type then you can write, you need to mark it as bootable if you want to boot off it too |
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| 02:49.24 | arwan | hard |
| 02:49.25 | arwan | always fail |
| 02:49.44 | arwan | but it only has .03mb |
| 02:49.46 | arwan | it created |
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| 02:50.01 | phix | ? |
| 02:50.02 | arwan | the whole disk is still on linux |
| 02:50.05 | dvs | arwan: Did you erase the already existing partitions? |
| 02:50.09 | phix | lol |
| 02:50.15 | phix | I bet he didn't :) |
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| 02:50.21 | phix | stop being new arwan! :) |
| 02:50.25 | arwan | sbd2 is on bootable. |
| 02:50.38 | arwan | is the one i changed type to hpfs/ntfs/exfat |
| 02:50.43 | phix | arwan: did you get rid of sdb1?? |
| 02:50.46 | arwan | its only 0.04mb |
| 02:50.58 | arwan | sbd1 is Linux |
| 02:51.07 | arwan | 2003.80mb |
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| 02:51.21 | arwan | no |
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| 02:51.26 | arwan | should i get rid of it first? |
| 02:51.42 | phix | of course you should |
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| 02:51.48 | phix | that was the result of a clone wasnt it |
| 02:52.03 | phix | you want to set the entire flash disc as NTFS dont you? |
| 02:53.11 | domovoy | hmmm, what could cause that? "Error: unrecognized/unsupported processor variant (0x41069260)." orion5x custom kernel |
| 02:53.17 | arwan | yes ph |
| 02:53.21 | domovoy | at kernel boot of course |
| 02:53.23 | arwan | yes phix . you are correct |
| 02:53.55 | arwan | i want it to be a usable storage ntfs file. so i can use it on both linux and windows as a storage |
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| 02:54.28 | phix | arwan: so you need to remove the linux partition first |
| 02:54.56 | arwan | whats next phix. its already done. sbd1 is on right size and is on FS Type : HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 02:55.00 | arwan | it was deleted |
| 02:55.01 | phix | use cfdisk again, remove all partitions then create an extended parition to fill up the entire disc, then change the type to NTFS then write |
| 02:55.05 | arwan | now i only see sbd1 |
| 02:55.07 | domovoy | arwan: then -> cfdisk /dev/sdb; delete all partition, create a new one, extended, type ntfs, whole disk, write, quit, mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdb1 |
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| 02:55.27 | phix | arwan: so why did you say there was a sdb2 that was only a few Kb big? |
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| 02:55.52 | arwan | i wasnt able to delete it at first. now i get it |
| 02:56.16 | arwan | what should i do next |
| 02:56.21 | arwan | is this ok now? |
| 02:56.31 | arwan | no need for mkft.ntfs command? |
| 02:56.34 | domovoy | mkfs.ntfs |
| 02:56.36 | phix | arwan: follow domovoy's instructions |
| 02:56.47 | phix | arwan: you still need to run mkfs.ntfs |
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| 02:57.03 | phix | arwan: cfdisk creates a partition table and mkfs.ntfs creates the file system on the partition |
| 02:57.32 | phix | arwan: partitions are required on PCs without UFI / EUFI |
| 02:58.15 | arwan | where do i see the 'extended' part |
| 02:58.16 | phix | arwan: or if you want to support old versions of windows or devices that do not yet support GPT / EFI / UEFI |
| 02:58.17 | arwan | no such option here |
| 02:58.24 | phix | arwan: secondary partition |
| 02:58.36 | arwan | after creating new. it just lets you put size. and type. and write |
| 02:58.40 | phix | it will make it /dev/sdb5 |
| 02:58.55 | phix | it should default the size to the entire disc |
| 02:59.00 | domovoy | damn! "Error: unrecognized/unsupported processor variant (0x41069260)." i believe i re-enabled everything that i disabled before that issue. I must be missing something. any idea? |
| 02:59.12 | phix | domovoy: *shrugs* |
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| 03:00.45 | domovoy | maybe i need a 'make clean' |
| 03:01.18 | arwan | Wrote partition taNo primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.t to update table. |
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| 03:02.38 | domovoy | arwan: do you want to boot on that device? isn't it only storage? |
| 03:02.43 | arwan | no |
| 03:02.45 | arwan | storage only |
| 03:02.50 | arwan | i want to use it all full |
| 03:03.09 | domovoy | then, don't mark the partition bootable with cfdisk |
| 03:03.14 | arwan | ntfs only so i cAN plug the thing on linux and windows and still be usable |
| 03:03.36 | un214 | yeah just don't mark any bootable |
| 03:03.40 | domovoy | ho wait, this is not an error, just a warning right? |
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| 03:04.04 | arwan | i never did |
| 03:04.04 | arwan | i just wonder why when i try to do the command mkfs.ntfs it wont work |
| 03:04.04 | arwan | :( |
| 03:04.04 | arwan | still saying the same thing |
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| 03:04.27 | domovoy | how can he write so fast :) |
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| 03:04.38 | un214 | by being a bot |
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| 03:04.54 | arwan | i will use pastebin if its a multiple line paste |
| 03:05.02 | un214 | oh wait wow |
| 03:05.13 | arwan | this is just a single line pasting so no need i guess |
| 03:05.17 | un214 | arwan you got kicked because somehow you posted 6 lines in 1 second |
| 03:05.45 | arwan | lagging bot? |
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| 03:05.53 | arwan | but i did not pasted 6 lines all at once |
| 03:05.59 | un214 | my status shows them all at once |
| 03:06.04 | un214 | maybe you lagged |
| 03:06.15 | arwan | oh |
| 03:07.37 | domovoy | so, arwan. "No primary partitions are marked bootable", is it cfdisk saying that when you ask it to write the partition table? |
| 03:07.39 | arwan | so phix you mean, after creating i primary. i also need to create a secondary partition? If that is so, how many mb should i allocate on both primary and secondary |
| 03:08.03 | ctmjr | arwan: since your having such a hard time maybe you should just use gparted and be done with it |
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| 03:13.42 | notanoldman | What kernel will the new version of debian use and when will it be out? Thanks |
| 03:13.56 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 03:13.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 03:14.21 | dvs | notanoldman: 3.16 even though it isn't supported anymore |
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| 03:18.00 | arwan | now i cannot see my device on df |
| 03:18.27 | arwan | maybe i did something wrong on gparted with it |
| 03:18.27 | arwan | i do not see the usb |
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| 03:18.42 | phix | arwan: did you mount it? |
| 03:18.55 | arwan | yes |
| 03:18.57 | phix | df only shows mounted drives |
| 03:19.05 | arwan | oh |
| 03:19.14 | arwan | i think it doesnt automount already |
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| 03:20.11 | arwan | no mounting |
| 03:20.12 | arwan | something went wrong maybe on gparted |
| 03:20.12 | arwan | i tried to put it on ntfs |
| 03:20.12 | arwan | but an error occured after applying changes |
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| 03:20.23 | phix | lol |
| 03:20.33 | phix | arwan: hehe |
| 03:21.00 | arwan | will this not be read if i tried formatting it on windows right? |
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| 03:22.03 | arwan | phix how do i view usb drives that are not unmounted |
| 03:22.38 | phix | lsusb |
| 03:22.49 | phix | will list all usb devices connected to your computer |
| 03:22.52 | phix | whether they are mounted or not |
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| 03:24.00 | arwan | sudo gparted |
| 03:24.02 | arwan | will it also be seen in there? |
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| 03:25.28 | tmh1999 | Hi guys I hope some one here could help me :D I use netbootin to create USB boot Debian 8 netinstall and when in partitioning step, I cannot see option for making a Ext4 partiion. I have done this thing many times but this is the first time I encounter this. So what might be wrong I am doing? Thanks. |
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| 03:30.40 | arwan | http://pastie.org/10011311 |
| 03:30.52 | arwan | phix this is the result of my lsusb |
| 03:30.55 | arwan | how do i know |
| 03:30.57 | arwan | which is which |
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| 03:34.00 | domovoy | arwan: try 'sudo fdisk -l', you should be able to know which is the one you want from there (number of partitions, disk size) |
| 03:34.01 | rww | tmh1999: don't use unetbootin |
| 03:34.02 | rww | !unetbootin |
| 03:34.02 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 03:34.04 | phix | arwan: google 8644:800b |
| 03:34.36 | phix | it looks like that is the flash drive |
| 03:35.32 | arwan | phix how do i format Bus 001 Device 015: ID 8644:800b |
| 03:37.09 | phix | you need to find out what /dev device it was assigned |
| 03:37.25 | phix | That will be listed in dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 03:37.29 | arwan | yes im sure. because it went out when i plug it in and typed lsusb |
| 03:37.29 | arwan | since logical for me to assume it is the usb drive |
| 03:37.34 | tmh1999 | rww: And I am trying $ dd if=netinst.io of=/dev/sdc. Hope it work. I did not know the problem with Unetbootin. Thanks. |
| 03:38.42 | rww | tmh1999: for future reference, sticking bs=1M tends to speed dd up a bit for that workload. but yeah, if the problem persists with the dd'd image, let us know :) |
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| 03:39.16 | domovoy | arwan: fdisk -l |
| 03:40.09 | tmh1999 | rww: :) |
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| 03:44.43 | arwan | domovoy |
| 03:44.47 | arwan | /dev/sdb1 40 3913727 1956844 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 03:44.53 | arwan | thats the usb |
| 03:44.59 | tmh1999 | rww: I still cannot see the option for making Ext4 partition. This is kind of strange. All I see is XFS, FAT16, FAT32, swap area, physical volume for encryption, for RAID, for LVM. 2-3 weeks a go I use the weekly build image and it works like a charm (with $dd to create USB, I just recently use this method and I forgot! my mind ) And yesterday I download a new netinst iso and this happens. |
| 03:45.05 | arwan | hope to make it a usable storage again on ntfs |
| 03:45.29 | tmh1999 | rww: May be the problem with this weekly build netinstall iso, do you think ? |
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| 03:45.54 | domovoy | arwan: cfdisk /dev/sdb, erase all partitions, create a new one, extended, ntfs, whole disk, write, exit, mkfs.ntfs/dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:46.17 | rww | hrm |
| 03:46.38 | arwan | how do i make it extended domovoy |
| 03:46.47 | arwan | i dont see that option on cfdisk |
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| 03:47.11 | arwan | it just give me option to delete partition and create one. and adjust size |
| 03:47.14 | tmh1999 | rww: Both two images are weekly build. |
| 03:47.19 | arwan | is extended the second new partition |
| 03:48.03 | rww | tmh1999: I'll grab http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and virtualbox it and see what happens, I think |
| 03:48.08 | domovoy | arwan: when you create one, it asks you if you want it to be a primary, it's the other choice (secondary i guess) |
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| 03:48.33 | arwan | so logical |
| 03:48.42 | arwan | i only see create new primary |
| 03:48.45 | arwan | or logical |
| 03:49.00 | arwan | no extended or any other term |
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| 03:49.45 | rww | perhaps you want to create a new primary partition that is extended, and then create logical partitions instead of your new (primary) extended partition? |
| 03:49.58 | domovoy | arwan: than, the *other choice* must be logical, doesn't it? |
| 03:49.59 | rww | i didn't look at scrollback, but that's how it is on disk |
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| 03:50.52 | tmh1999 | rww: I am using MBR and have 2 primary partitions. This one will be the third. I will give VB a try. |
| 03:50.54 | domovoy | well, actually, logical would be the... logical choice :) |
| 03:51.08 | rww | tmh1999: that was addressed to arwan. As for your issue, did you use graphical or regular/text install? |
| 03:51.14 | rww | (I'm booting the installer now) |
| 03:51.30 | johnfg | after installing openjdk-7-jre and jdk on wheezy, I note that the old versions aren't removed, and a `java -jar file.jar` I run is only seeing 1.6.0_34. |
| 03:51.30 | tmh1999 | rww: I tried both. |
| 03:51.41 | rww | alrighty, text it is |
| 03:51.58 | johnfg | Should I run the alternatives, and then can I safely remove the old versions? |
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| 03:54.37 | rww | tmh1999: I'm not seeing an option for ext4 either. |
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| 03:55.56 | tmh1999 | rww: VB does not allow booting from USB so I assume you meant booting from raw iso file |
| 03:56.00 | tmh1999 | rww: Oh well |
| 03:56.01 | rww | correct |
| 03:56.11 | rww | tmh1999: ah, there we go. It's a known (bug reported) issue with a reply from the debian-installer maintainer. |
| 03:56.17 | johnfg | The update-java-alternatives is only seeing 1.6 and 1.7, not version 7! |
| 03:56.28 | rww | Found it once I googled pagecache_get_page_fixed from the log VT |
| 03:56.49 | rww | tmh1999: use the RC 1 release instead until it's fixed, I guess |
| 03:57.10 | rww | (or install stable and upgrade, which is what I usually do and what is recommended, but people tend to not do that) |
| 03:57.33 | tmh1999 | rww: Yes. Seems no other choice. Was too dumb to remove the previous iso file and down a new one. My mind again. |
| 03:57.52 | tmh1999 | rww: Install stable and upgrade? That would be whole lot of disk write and load. |
| 03:59.03 | domovoy | damn again! "Error: unrecognized/unsupported processor variant (0x41069260)" at boot of custom orion5x kernel, any idea? |
| 03:59.14 | rww | tends to break less severely, and tests whether stable -> testing upgrades work at the same time, which is useful |
| 03:59.54 | johnfg | Why does the update-java-alternatives list 1.6 and 1.7, while update-alternatives lists 6.0 and 7.0? |
| 04:01.25 | tmh1999 | johnfg : In my /usr/lib/jvm, java-1.7.0-openjdk-amd64 is the link to java-7-openjdk-amd64 |
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| 04:03.17 | johnfg | tmh1999: Ok, mine too. so which of the alternative cmds to run? does it matter? |
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| 04:04.30 | rww | wouldn't all that get cleaned up when you remove 1.6? |
| 04:04.45 | tmh1999 | johnfg : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15008333/what-is-the-difference-between-java-1-7-0-openjdk-i386-and-java-7-openjdk-i386 |
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| 04:06.16 | tmh1999 | johnfg : Sorry I can't answer your question, but I *think* that wouldn't be a matter. |
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| 04:38.35 | arwan | /dev/sdb is entire device, not just one partition. |
| 04:38.35 | arwan | i tried using extended. still the same problem |
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| 04:39.56 | mollofoa | now im going to tell you what i think about debian |
| 04:40.11 | phix | lol are you still having issues arwan ? |
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| 04:40.48 | mollofoa | i open debian. then i open web browser (firefox - but its irrelevant). i visit some site and i want to upload a file so i click on Browse... button, file chooser shows. now, on file chooser, IM UNABLE TO RENAME FILES, COPY/PASTE/MOVE/DELETE FILES/DIRECTORIES, can only choose stupid file |
| 04:40.55 | mollofoa | even win95 was able to do that |
| 04:41.04 | mollofoa | but deb2015 can't |
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| 04:41.23 | phix | mollofoa: It's pretty great hey :) well except for 1) releases take years 2) Debian's policy on free software is a bit strict |
| 04:41.28 | arwan | yes phix |
| 04:41.38 | phix | mollofoa: correct |
| 04:41.52 | arwan | phix did you see the part where i did not get it? |
| 04:41.58 | phix | mollofoa: That is a feature, you shouldn't be able to do that in there, dangerous |
| 04:42.08 | mollofoa | phix those points have nothing to do with that issue |
| 04:42.17 | phix | arwan: I figured that out for myself |
| 04:42.22 | mollofoa | phix no that is WRONG. its not dangerous |
| 04:42.28 | mollofoa | its USABILITY |
| 04:42.32 | phix | of dangerous and bloated |
| 04:42.40 | phix | if you want bloatware use Windows |
| 04:42.46 | phix | of = it's |
| 04:43.13 | phix | If you don't like the file chooser in debian then change it, write your own |
| 04:43.19 | phix | That is the beauty of open source software |
| 04:44.01 | mollofoa | phix no you cant |
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| 04:44.12 | phix | mollofoa: or use another windows manager, I am sure KDE supports |
| 04:44.12 | mollofoa | i saw that bug was reported 10 years ago |
| 04:44.27 | phix | mollofoa: you are free to rewrite it |
| 04:44.32 | mollofoa | and you did nothing, just some said its "feature" |
| 04:45.40 | phix | I did nothing? |
| 04:45.44 | mollofoa | and they* |
| 04:45.49 | mollofoa | debian devs |
| 04:45.52 | phix | they are you |
| 04:45.55 | phix | you can do it |
| 04:46.03 | arwan | i did the extended part already. i chose logical instead of primary |
| 04:46.04 | arwan | for new partition |
| 04:46.05 | arwan | so phix any other idea |
| 04:46.05 | arwan | on how to format this to ntfs |
| 04:46.07 | arwan | it seems now that it doesnt automount when i plug the usb |
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| 04:46.23 | mollofoa | phix i dont have time, i want something that is CORRECT now |
| 04:47.26 | phix | arwan: you use the mkfs.ntfs command |
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| 04:47.54 | phix | mollofoa: ok so don't worry about it. If you want to rename a file etc.. do it in nautalus or the terminal |
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| 04:48.27 | phix | mollofoa: and how is it CORRECT? because another system allows it? |
| 04:48.48 | mollofoa | phix NO!!! because i opened file browser, went throught 10 directories, and found out file has wrong filename. WANT TO change it quickly and upload |
| 04:48.48 | arwan | already did phix |
| 04:48.53 | arwan | it just says /dev/sdb is entire device, not just one partition. |
| 04:48.54 | mollofoa | not browse 10 times again |
| 04:49.00 | phix | mollofoa: I believe the only OS you can do that in is Windows. You have limited abilities to do that on a mac |
| 04:49.08 | mollofoa | phix correct is, what usable is |
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| 04:49.24 | mollofoa | phix mac is not OS, its toy for gays |
| 04:49.41 | phix | arwan: do don't specifiy the entire disc, specify the partition, if you create it extended partition then it will be /dev/sdb5 |
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| 04:50.19 | phix | mollofoa: it is a dangerous feature though, I have seen users mistakening click and drag files and folders into random locations, I wish there was an option in windows to disable the feature |
| 04:50.22 | arwan | thanks phix |
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| 04:50.48 | mollofoa | phix so linux is for casual users like mac, they dont need file chooser renaming/copying etc. windows is for advanced/power users who want to have that feature and usability |
| 04:51.10 | mollofoa | phix im hundred years windows users and never did such mistake |
| 04:51.11 | arwan | cool phix. its now initializing:) |
| 04:51.12 | phix | mollofoa: a user goes to double click, they click and drag into a random folder. To be usable it needs to be fool prove too or help you undo mistakes |
| 04:51.19 | arwan | initializing device with zeroes |
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| 04:51.41 | phix | mollofoa: No, I use linux full time, it is the only OS on my computer. |
| 04:51.50 | phix | (well, I have many VMs as well) |
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| 04:52.18 | phix | mollofoa: wait til you get older, you will start doing it |
| 04:53.05 | phix | mollofoa: You can do all of that in linux, just not in the file chooser. |
| 04:53.07 | mollofoa | phix im not 80years or alcoholic, i click where i click. and even if, there could be UNDO button |
| 04:53.17 | mollofoa | phix but i need it in file chooser |
| 04:53.24 | phix | but there isn't even that on windows |
| 04:53.52 | phix | mollofoa: then modify the source code and add that feature in, if you REALLY need it |
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| 04:54.05 | mollofoa | i dont have time for that |
| 04:54.08 | mollofoa | it should be already made |
| 04:54.13 | mollofoa | i pay and i expect quality |
| 04:54.14 | phix | If you dont have time to implement it then you really don't need that feature |
| 04:54.24 | phix | mollofoa: debian is free though |
| 04:54.27 | mollofoa | phix on windows i have it without needing to implement |
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| 04:54.29 | phix | it isn't a commerical software |
| 04:54.34 | mollofoa | phix so is windows (free) |
| 04:54.39 | phix | no it isnt |
| 04:54.45 | phix | you need to pay a licence fee to use it |
| 04:55.37 | mollofoa | no i dont have to |
| 04:55.41 | mollofoa | you are liar |
| 04:55.56 | mollofoa | i never paid for windows and i have xp, 7. 8 |
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| 04:56.11 | phix | mollofoa: then you are a criminal |
| 04:56.25 | phix | You IP has been logged and forwarded to the proper authorities |
| 04:56.30 | phix | You = Your |
| 04:56.35 | phix | :P |
| 04:57.11 | mollofoa | im not saying im not |
| 04:57.21 | phix | You are also lazy |
| 04:57.26 | phix | Are you overweight too? |
| 04:57.48 | mollofoa | no |
| 04:57.58 | phix | Generally goes with the teritory |
| 04:57.59 | mollofoa | but i like eating food |
| 04:58.04 | phix | any way, back on topic |
| 04:58.26 | mollofoa | facts are straight, windows is free and usability top. debian is free and not usable |
| 04:58.42 | phix | If you would like a "proper" file chooser in debian I recommend asking in #gnome, #kde or #mozilla (if that is the browser you are using) |
| 04:58.54 | phix | I have no issue using Debian |
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| 04:59.27 | phix | I am more efficient in a terminal any way |
| 05:00.11 | nullfaith | That is odd mollofoa, my 4 year old uses debian at the moment. |
| 05:00.14 | mollofoa | phix gnome is ugly crap, and so is kde. and bloated |
| 05:00.36 | phix | mollofoa: Sounds like you need to be retrained :) |
| 05:00.44 | mollofoa | nullfaith he will hate it when he discovers windows |
| 05:01.07 | nullfaith | He has used windows as well, and says it is slow. XD |
| 05:01.42 | phix | Yeah, the file chooser is the slowest, especially if you have mapped network drives that are not always accessiable :)) |
| 05:01.49 | phix | all of that bloat in there |
| 05:01.54 | mollofoa | nullfaith because you installed antivirus software and other bloatware |
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| 05:02.23 | mollofoa | phix terminal is crap and not usable. you have to learn 1000 magic keywords to use it |
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| 05:02.37 | mollofoa | on windows you dont learn anything, you just click on gui/creators and everything works |
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| 05:02.56 | mollofoa | windows is for ignorants and lazy people, like me |
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| 05:03.14 | nullfaith | true, almost. |
| 05:03.32 | mollofoa | i dont have time to learn 1000 magic keywords, i want just click |
| 05:03.42 | mollofoa | the fastest, easiest, the bestest |
| 05:04.05 | phix | mollofoa: Do you have any other usability issues in debian? or just the file chooser so far? |
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| 05:04.37 | mollofoa | phix yes. you almost cant configure anything with gui, you have to edit config files and change strange variables and numbers there |
| 05:04.38 | phix | mollofoa: so? learning is fun! |
| 05:05.00 | phix | typing is actually faster than pointing and clicking |
| 05:05.11 | phix | onces you know the commands that is |
| 05:05.11 | nullfaith | mollofoa: Go use windows then for sure. Next. |
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| 05:05.18 | phix | with windows you can't improve your speed |
| 05:05.21 | mollofoa | maybe faster when you spent 1000 hours for magic keywords first |
| 05:05.31 | phix | granted, some apps have shortcut keys, but still |
| 05:05.44 | mollofoa | phix yes you can, you can have commandline too and commandline apps |
| 05:05.54 | phix | mollofoa: and if you are using windows for that long you are still capped at the same speed |
| 05:06.02 | mollofoa | but there is not much because people know command line sucks |
| 05:06.06 | phix | Windows command line is terrible |
| 05:06.18 | mollofoa | phix because nobody needs command line |
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| 05:06.22 | nullfaith | cli is way better than gui for 90% of tasks. |
| 05:06.23 | mollofoa | if you can just click on gui |
| 05:06.38 | mollofoa | nullfaith if you spent 1000 hours on keywords, yes |
| 05:06.41 | phix | mollofoa: well I guess that is a personal preference |
| 05:06.50 | nullfaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.52 | mollofoa | i dont have 1000 hours to spent |
| 05:06.54 | nullfaith | cl |
| 05:06.58 | nullfaith | arg lol |
| 05:07.02 | mollofoa | i want immediately, now |
| 05:07.03 | phix | haha |
| 05:07.06 | mollofoa | give me gui |
| 05:07.19 | phix | ok, so use the gui in debian, what ever :) |
| 05:07.28 | mollofoa | there is no gui in debian, broken is |
| 05:07.32 | phix | just note that isn't the same as the windows one, or the mac one |
| 05:07.40 | nullfaith | mollofoa: How is it broken? |
| 05:07.54 | phix | mollofoa: have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 05:08.02 | nullfaith | phix: Hahaha. |
| 05:08.16 | phix | mollofoa: I mean you must be used to that as you are a windows user |
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| 05:09.19 | mollofoa | phix windows works for months without rebooting |
| 05:09.31 | mollofoa | actually for years but i get power loss in house each few months |
| 05:09.50 | mollofoa | i never reboot windows or shutdown |
| 05:09.54 | nullfaith | Wow, the extent of this troll is astounding lol. |
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| 05:10.08 | phix | nice, so you are open to security exploits, thanks for the info |
| 05:10.11 | mollofoa | nullfaith where is troll? because you lost discussion im troll? |
| 05:10.13 | keltim | I haven't seen a real windows troll in ages ... |
| 05:10.15 | phix | nullfaith: yeah, I like feeding him :) |
| 05:10.21 | mollofoa | phix security exploits are myth |
| 05:10.58 | phix | mollofoa: nope, Windows has a lot, and funny thing is MS sometimes re-introduces a security exploit in from an earlier peice of code |
| 05:11.02 | mollofoa | phix i have online money, paypal, credit cards, yet nobody is able to stole it |
| 05:11.14 | phix | they did that in windows 7, it had the same exploit as a windows nt or 2000 version as they didn't patch it |
| 05:11.22 | keltim | I love how windows updates are actually upgrades |
| 05:11.28 | phix | mollofoa: challenge accepted |
| 05:11.38 | keltim | sometimes very severe ones that break shit. Even still, in 2015. |
| 05:11.51 | mollofoa | phix nobody can stole my money, im stronger than linux people |
| 05:12.12 | phix | mollofoa: yeah MS have a bad history of not fixing up their bugs, or releasing software and using their users as alpha / beta testers |
| 05:12.37 | mollofoa | phix in order to use almost any security exploit, you first have to persuade user into doing something |
| 05:12.51 | nullfaith | Nonsesnt. |
| 05:12.55 | phix | The main issue is there are more people looking over the code for linux / debian than MS, so things are picked up quicker. I like the transparency of open source software |
| 05:12.56 | nullfaith | nonsense* |
| 05:13.06 | phix | mollofoa: nope |
| 05:13.09 | phix | mollofoa: not always |
| 05:13.14 | mollofoa | i installed windows xp 6 years ago and disabled windows updates as i dont trust microsoft and they could introduce backdoor with update |
| 05:13.17 | nullfaith | Ask the nsa. |
| 05:13.26 | mollofoa | phix just like they did for openssl? |
| 05:13.28 | keltim | There are more, but it's more relevant that the code is organized and understandable ... |
| 05:13.36 | phix | mollofoa: so you are open to security exploits |
| 05:13.38 | mollofoa | OPENSSL, very secure. |
| 05:13.44 | mollofoa | phix no im not. im safe |
| 05:13.46 | keltim | if MS released their code no one would look at it, it's a mess |
| 05:14.11 | phix | mollofoa: yeah just like openssl, an issue was found, it was fixed almost instantly, same with the issues with bash |
| 05:14.20 | mollofoa | it was there for years |
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| 05:14.28 | phix | keltim: some of it was leaked a few years back |
| 05:14.31 | mollofoa | could be used by bad guys, and probably was |
| 05:14.45 | nullfaith | Ok well, bash had a bug, windows IS malware. Point blank over. |
| 05:14.45 | phix | criminals like yourself? |
| 05:15.01 | mollofoa | nullfaith if windows is unsecure, why i was never stolen or hacked? |
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| 05:15.10 | mollofoa | i have online money and cards, safe |
| 05:15.18 | mollofoa | i never lost files or anything |
| 05:15.23 | mollofoa | im DEADLY safe |
| 05:15.25 | nullfaith | nobody steals cc that shit is played out. |
| 05:15.26 | mollofoa | for years |
| 05:15.42 | phix | mollofoa: any way, I have ran out of food, bbl |
| 05:15.59 | keltim | it's realy a shame we have to use cc's at all on the internet |
| 05:16.03 | mollofoa | nobody can attack me, hackers are idiots without skills |
| 05:16.14 | nullfaith | keltim: Yeah for sure. |
| 05:16.22 | mollofoa | im anonymous and safe |
| 05:16.23 | keltim | things like paypal are so much less complicated and more secure |
| 05:16.30 | nullfaith | remembers /ignore. |
| 05:16.35 | mollofoa | keltim so what is unsafe? |
| 05:16.40 | mollofoa | i have everything safe |
| 05:16.41 | keltim | after having been through a few PCI audits, it isn't worth it |
| 05:16.45 | mollofoa | files, money, |
| 05:16.57 | phix | mollofoa: you live in Poland? |
| 05:17.27 | phix | Or is that just a shell? |
| 05:17.42 | mollofoa | its my seven proxies |
| 05:17.50 | mollofoa | seven levels of protection |
| 05:17.50 | phix | ok, which is windows based right? |
| 05:17.59 | mollofoa | windows xp |
| 05:18.05 | keltim | yes, the seven proxies of the apocalypse |
| 05:18.11 | phix | your proxies are windows based? |
| 05:18.22 | mollofoa | i wont tell you, you should know |
| 05:18.31 | mollofoa | arent you hacker? hacker know things, or not? |
| 05:18.43 | mollofoa | let's see. |
| 05:18.54 | phix | I am not a "hacker" but I do hack code (the original meaning for the word "hacker") |
| 05:18.57 | keltim | mollofoa, you should use a different windows version for all of your proxies, from Windows 3.1 to Windows 10 |
| 05:19.02 | mollofoa | if you find my bitcoins you can get them |
| 05:19.11 | phix | keltim: hehe |
| 05:19.31 | mollofoa | keltim i use windows2003 for server stuff |
| 05:19.42 | nullfaith | Hrmm windows is using a package manager like linux now? |
| 05:19.46 | nullfaith | Or soon to be? |
| 05:19.55 | keltim | they're trying |
| 05:20.06 | keltim | have been since vista |
| 05:20.12 | phix | really? Windows is trying to implement something that has existed for decades in linux? |
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| 05:20.22 | nullfaith | Curious. |
| 05:20.25 | keltim | it still hasn't really taken off |
| 05:20.31 | mollofoa | phix they often do that. how about win vista gui? copied from linux |
| 05:20.33 | phix | ah |
| 05:20.54 | phix | keltim: well there is chocolatey |
| 05:20.57 | mollofoa | but they copy crap things (as linux is). win vista gui is ugly crap |
| 05:21.13 | mollofoa | they should stay with win95 gui |
| 05:21.21 | phix | mollofoa: well the TCP/IP stack is based on FreeBSD |
| 05:21.28 | mollofoa | best gui is north korea |
| 05:21.31 | mollofoa | win95 gui* |
| 05:21.40 | keltim | The windows 3 gui was the best, no one has improved on progman.exe |
| 05:21.49 | phix | mollofoa: Microsoft has been doing that for years, they also got caught out on it with paint brush, apparantly they were using a licenced codec without paying the author |
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| 05:22.17 | mollofoa | phix well linux guys like freedom and "free" software? microsoft too |
| 05:22.31 | mollofoa | microsoft got codec for free |
| 05:22.33 | keltim | phix, I doubt seriously that there is any of that left in windows now |
| 05:22.37 | polyphagia | why is mollofoa still here |
| 05:22.46 | keltim | can someone ban him |
| 05:22.49 | mollofoa | polyphagia im constructive critic |
| 05:22.50 | nullfaith | Where is an op when needed? XD |
| 05:23.02 | mollofoa | you mad i destroyed debian with arguments? |
| 05:23.06 | phix | mollofoa: yes but it was released under the GPL, which means legally microsoft should make the source code available as it is in a commerical product |
| 05:23.09 | nullfaith | So mad. |
| 05:23.12 | phix | polyphagia: because I don't have ops |
| 05:23.15 | nullfaith | stirs. |
| 05:23.15 | polyphagia | !ops |
| 05:23.15 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 05:23.24 | polyphagia | !ops mollofoa |
| 05:23.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: polyphagia complains about: mollofoa |
| 05:23.32 | mollofoa | phix gpl? so it was free software? they dont have money or balls to sue microsoft |
| 05:23.36 | phix | mollofoa: we have already established that you are a troll :) |
| 05:23.47 | mollofoa | everybody can steal from free software without consequences |
| 05:23.50 | keltim | I haven |
| 05:23.55 | mollofoa | phix how did you establish that? |
| 05:24.03 | phix | mollofoa: from memory it was GPL'ed although I am not entirely sure actually, I think google knows more about it |
| 05:24.10 | keltim | t been around in a while ... abrotman, donedelcaro .. I remember them from the late 90's! |
| 05:24.11 | nullfaith | It is not stealing if it is open.... |
| 05:24.40 | phix | mollofoa: So you are using 7 proxies to hide the fact you are actually in prison? |
| 05:25.12 | mollofoa | microsoft used that codec but changed it and changed license of that codec (as license is open source) so it was not gpl anymore |
| 05:25.29 | mollofoa | licenses should be open source |
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| 05:25.43 | mollofoa | phix im anonymous and hidden, im everywhere |
| 05:26.32 | phix | mollofoa: there is creative commons licences, but the particular licence the software was under wasn't when MS used it |
| 05:26.47 | mollofoa | so it wasnt free license? |
| 05:26.56 | phix | There are different types of "free" |
| 05:26.56 | mollofoa | i thought free software like free and open things |
| 05:27.14 | phix | read up on creative commons, GPL and LGPL |
| 05:27.16 | mollofoa | they should let microsoft change license |
| 05:27.46 | keltim | everyone steals from MS, no one understands their licensing |
| 05:27.58 | phix | hehe |
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| 05:28.30 | mollofoa | so is me, i got windows downloaded, i thought it is free |
| 05:28.37 | mollofoa | well, it is |
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| 05:28.50 | phix | keltim: MS used to say the licence is for a computer, now they say it is for an instance of it (which covers VMs). I am not sure of their policy on taking snapshots, if you need a licence for that too |
| 05:29.18 | keltim | it gets insanely complicated |
| 05:29.31 | mollofoa | phix is better to ignore whole licensing and use how you want |
| 05:29.40 | mollofoa | whos going stop you? |
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| 05:31.33 | keltim | a trend I don't get is offices moving to MacOS ... it isn't suited in any way for a business and the tools to manage the desktops atr from the dark ages |
| 05:32.57 | phix | keltim: yeah, although thankfully you can install open source software on there like Thunderbird with lightning etc.. |
| 05:33.05 | phix | better than mac's mail client and calendar |
| 05:33.32 | phix | mollofoa: true, it's not illegal until you get caught hey |
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| 05:35.38 | keltim | well there is ports. But from an admin perspective, it's a nightmare, or like going back to 2000. |
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| 05:36.31 | keltim | I'm very happy my work finally gave us linux laptops instead of macs. I'm about 40% more productive. |
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| 05:53.13 | socomm | I'd rather have a Windows laptop rather than Linux laptop for work. |
| 05:54.10 | socomm | There are just something that don't work on Linux - namely proprietar tools like vmware stuff. |
| 05:54.18 | socomm | But, I'd prefer linux over mac. :^) |
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| 06:04.35 | ryanc-- | is there something up with the mirrors? |
| 06:05.05 | ryanc-- | I've been having trouble with every mirror i try for debian-installer on arm |
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| 06:05.45 | polyphagia | NO |
| 06:05.49 | polyphagia | why isn't clisp in jessie |
| 06:05.56 | polyphagia | ,versions clisp |
| 06:05.57 | judd | Package: clisp on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.48-3; wheezy: 1:2.49-8.1; sid: 1:2.49-10 |
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| 06:07.40 | polyphagia | ugh |
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| 06:09.05 | ethan33 | can some1 help me |
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| 06:09.54 | ryanc-- | ethan33: just ask your question |
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| 06:10.30 | ethan33 | im trying to install firmware on debian for an asus usb n53 wireless adapter |
| 06:10.43 | ethan33 | and what happens is it asks me to authenticate over and over again and it never connects |
| 06:10.49 | ethan33 | then eventually i get a black screen |
| 06:11.00 | ethan33 | when i try to connect to a wireless networkj |
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| 06:11.05 | ethan33 | http://pastebin.com/y8ecZtPP |
| 06:11.10 | ethan33 | i did |
| 06:11.11 | ethan33 | make |
| 06:11.14 | ethan33 | then make install |
| 06:11.25 | ethan33 | then modprobe ra0 |
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| 06:12.03 | ethan33 | if someone can help me i can give you a gift card |
| 06:12.05 | ethan33 | plz any 1 |
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| 06:12.49 | ryanc-- | ethan33: offering payment for help usually makes people less likely to help you |
| 06:12.56 | ethan33 | sorry |
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| 06:13.36 | ethan33 | ive been trying to get this working for hours i dont know anything about linux really, but i need to get it working on debian |
| 06:15.54 | ryanc-- | ethan33: what is that driver you're trying to use? |
| 06:16.14 | ethan33 | 2011_1003_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO |
| 06:16.27 | ryanc-- | ethan33: where is that from? |
| 06:16.33 | ethan33 | for a "USB-N53 Adapter Dual-Band Wireless-N600" |
| 06:16.38 | ethan33 | it came on the installation disk |
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| 06:16.42 | ethan33 | with the adapter |
| 06:16.54 | ryanc-- | ethan33: you should assume that is broken |
| 06:17.04 | ethan33 | its brand new tho |
| 06:17.11 | ryanc-- | ethan33: it says 2011 |
| 06:17.17 | ryanc-- | ethan33: and it's a vendor driver |
| 06:17.21 | ethan33 | oh |
| 06:17.28 | ryanc-- | ethan33: try the drivers in compat-wireless |
| 06:17.40 | ethan33 | where do i get those? |
| 06:18.12 | ryanc-- | ethan33: apt-cache search compat-wireless |
| 06:18.39 | beepie | ethan33, what is the vendor:device ? |
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| 06:19.22 | ethan33 | "USB-N53 Adapter Dual-Band Wireless-N600" |
| 06:19.22 | ryanc-- | ethan33: beepie is asking for the like from `lsusb` |
| 06:19.22 | beepie | ethan33, (lspci -nn) |
| 06:19.28 | ethan33 | oh |
| 06:19.48 | ryanc-- | ethan33: device model numbers are meaningless :-( |
| 06:20.04 | ethan33 | maybe i can type something in my terminal to get it? |
| 06:20.16 | ryanc-- | ethan33: a lot of vendors will change out the chipset without updating the model number |
| 06:20.26 | ryanc-- | ethan33: lsusb, like i said a moment ago |
| 06:20.30 | ethan33 | its this one http://www.asus.com/us/Networking/USBN53/ |
| 06:20.41 | ryanc-- | ethan33: that is not helpful |
| 06:21.07 | ethan33 | i get bash: lusb: command not found |
| 06:21.08 | beepie | ethan33, the should be xxxx:xxxx .. that's used to find the driver |
| 06:21.13 | ethan33 | oh |
| 06:21.15 | ryanc-- | ethan33: lsusb |
| 06:21.36 | ryanc-- | okay, seriously, wtf is going on with the mirrors? |
| 06:21.58 | ethan33 | USB-N53 N750/N600 Advanced Performance it says on the back |
| 06:22.03 | ethan33 | is N750/N600 |
| 06:22.07 | ethan33 | lsub? |
| 06:22.09 | beepie | ryanc--, use netselect-apt |
| 06:22.30 | beepie | ethan33, the output (XXXX:XXXX <<) |
| 06:22.55 | ryanc-- | ethan33: we don't care what model the device label says - ASUS doesn't make wifi chips. |
| 06:23.04 | ryanc-- | ethan33: need to know what the wifi chip is |
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| 06:23.15 | ryanc-- | ethan33: and the model number wont tell us |
| 06:23.16 | ethan33 | oh so this should be on my desktop computer? |
| 06:23.29 | ryanc-- | whatever you have the usb adapter plugged into |
| 06:23.48 | ryanc-- | beepie: that doesn't work from debian-installer, and the problem is that I'm getting 404s |
| 06:24.08 | ethan33 | its |
| 06:24.10 | ethan33 | this http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01570947 |
| 06:24.24 | ethan33 | " HP Pavilion a6608f Desktop PC" |
| 06:24.28 | beepie | ryanc--, run a speed test from your isp.. maybe they're upgrading the networks or something |
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| 06:24.46 | beepie | can download 6-7mb/sec |
| 06:24.49 | beepie | :) |
| 06:25.00 | ethan33 | im trying to get it to work on my desktop which is a " HP Pavilion a6608f Desktop PC" |
| 06:25.14 | beepie | ethan33, but you have an external usb gadget.. |
| 06:25.28 | ethan33 | the wireless adapter? |
| 06:25.32 | beepie | ethan33, if you can't follow a simple instruction of "lspci -nn" then you shouldn't even try to fix things |
| 06:25.44 | ryanc-- | ethan33: we don't care what the model numbers of any of your hardware are, they don;t matter. we need the usb device info, which we've told you how to get. if you don't give us the output of the `lsusb` command we can't help. |
| 06:25.49 | ethan33 | i got it |
| 06:25.52 | ethan33 | !! |
| 06:25.52 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:25.52 | ryanc-- | beepie: it's lsusb, not lspci |
| 06:25.58 | beepie | either would do |
| 06:26.12 | ethan33 | ok i did the command |
| 06:26.18 | ethan33 | in my terminal and a lot of stuff came up |
| 06:26.20 | ethan33 | 1 sec |
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| 06:26.31 | ryanc-- | ethan33: lspci is not the right command |
| 06:26.45 | ethan33 | i did "lspci -nn" |
| 06:26.55 | ryanc-- | ethan33: lsusb |
| 06:27.01 | ryanc-- | ethan33: not lspci -nn |
| 06:27.19 | ethan33 | ok i did that 1 sec leme copy i appreciate it |
| 06:27.34 | beepie | ethan33, just need the xxxx:xxxx numbers for the usb network adapter |
| 06:27.52 | ethan33 | got it |
| 06:27.53 | ethan33 | its |
| 06:27.56 | ethan33 | 0b05:179d |
| 06:27.59 | beepie | ok |
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| 06:28.18 | beepie | ethan33, https://wikidevi.com/wiki/ASUS_USB-N53 |
| 06:30.10 | ethan33 | is there other firmware i should install on that page |
| 06:30.39 | beepie | ethan33, use backports |
| 06:30.44 | beepie | ethan33, you're using kernel 3.2 |
| 06:31.06 | ethan33 | so i need to downgrade it so it will work? |
| 06:31.08 | beepie | ethan33, use kernel 3.12+ .. 3.14+ i think is avail on wheezy |
| 06:31.22 | beepie | ethan33, no you use "backports" -- its an extra repo that is supported in debian |
| 06:31.31 | beepie | ethan33, it's an official repository.. |
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| 06:31.45 | beepie | ethan33, you need to add that as you have 3.2 .. and that driver is poor <=3.11 |
| 06:32.04 | ethan33 | my desktop doesn't have internet, can i download the required package and transfer it over |
| 06:32.07 | ethan33 | so i can get internet |
| 06:32.48 | beepie | ethan33, https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 06:33.14 | beepie | ethan33, easiest solution is to plug the wire ethernet |
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| 06:33.22 | beepie | ethan33, on the laptop |
| 06:33.41 | ethan33 | i can only get wireless |
| 06:33.49 | ethan33 | how do you mean plug the wired |
| 06:33.50 | ethan33 | ? |
| 06:33.55 | brentaarnold | What's the official Debian server/channel? |
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| 06:34.47 | ryanc-- | does debian have a compat wireless package? |
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| 06:35.58 | ryanc-- | ethan33: you either need to connect the computer with ethernet or download all the packages to a flash drive on a computer with internet access and copy them over |
| 06:36.26 | ethan33 | i can do that now |
| 06:36.53 | beepie | ethan33, there's 7.6+ wheezy CD's that you can use apt-cdrom with if that helps, but i'm not sure it'll come with a kernel greater than 3.11 |
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| 06:37.56 | ethan33 | i got a big flash drive] |
| 06:38.01 | ethan33 | will this take a long time? |
| 06:38.04 | beepie | ethan33, the easiest solution is to use ethernet, otherwise you're just going to troubleshoot things in circles (package dependencies) |
| 06:38.15 | ethan33 | should i just try and return the adapter? and wait till i get wired internet |
| 06:38.31 | ethan33 | i paid $40 for it |
| 06:38.38 | beepie | ethan33, you can see what kernel is supported on 7.6+ cd's.. |
| 06:38.54 | ethan33 | oh you mean boot to a cd with a lower kernel |
| 06:38.56 | ethan33 | and use that? |
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| 06:40.36 | beepie | nah i think you need backports |
| 06:41.09 | beepie | ethan33, what are you using to connect to this irc? |
| 06:41.17 | ethan33 | my laptop |
| 06:41.31 | beepie | ethan33, windows? |
| 06:41.35 | ethan33 | yes |
| 06:41.45 | ethan33 | it has built in wireless |
| 06:41.53 | ethan33 | the laptop |
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| 06:42.48 | beepie | ethan33, so you bought an extra external wifi ? |
| 06:42.51 | beepie | oO |
| 06:42.55 | ethan33 | yes |
| 06:42.57 | ethan33 | an adapter |
| 06:43.42 | beepie | ethan33, ok so you have a laptop and a desktop |
| 06:43.49 | ethan33 | yes |
| 06:43.54 | beepie | ethan33, you're troubleshooting a usb wifi on the desktop |
| 06:44.00 | beepie | ethan33, you're not troubleshooting the laptop |
| 06:44.00 | ethan33 | yes |
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| 06:44.03 | ethan33 | no |
| 06:45.35 | beepie | you're keeping the usb wifi on the desktop ? |
| 06:45.49 | ethan33 | yes |
| 06:46.19 | beepie | so it's easier then because you always have internet available |
| 06:46.50 | beepie | ethan33, get an ethernet cross-over cable to plug between the laptop and the desktop.. |
| 06:46.56 | ethan33 | well the laptop is actually a friend's im borrowing until i get internet |
| 06:47.00 | beepie | ethan33, that is if the desktop has a wired port |
| 06:47.04 | ethan33 | the place im staying at has wifi |
| 06:47.23 | beepie | ethan33, just route internet traffic via your laptop to your desktop's wired port |
| 06:47.55 | ethan33 | i need to give the laptop back to my friend tho |
| 06:48.09 | ethan33 | thats y im trying to get internet on my desktop |
| 06:48.09 | beepie | ethan33, it's basically 1 or 2 iptables rules with SNAT and -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:48.24 | beepie | ethan33, and setting up ip/packet forwarding |
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| 06:48.37 | beepie | ethan33, other than that you're going to be wasting time.. |
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| 06:48.48 | ethan33 | should i just return the adapter? |
| 06:48.49 | beepie | ethan33, because 3.2 is very aged kernel.. |
| 06:49.06 | beepie | ethan33, i think it might run very well, you just need to update the kernel.. |
| 06:49.08 | ethan33 | wait i thought my problem was my kernel was too new? |
| 06:49.22 | ethan33 | if i get a newer kernel will the adapter work |
| 06:49.27 | ethan33 | ? i thought i needed an older one |
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| 06:49.29 | beepie | ethan33, i dont think you needed to do all that compile work |
| 06:49.47 | beepie | ethan33, yes, but you need internet access.. and you can. |
| 06:50.02 | beepie | ethan33, with a cross-over rj45 cable.. and setup routing on the wired ports |
| 06:50.18 | beepie | ethan33, between the laptop and desktop |
| 06:50.23 | ethan33 | maybe i should just switch back to windows, im really too stupid |
| 06:50.32 | ethan33 | i have to give my friend back the laptop tho |
| 06:50.47 | beepie | ethan33, you do have a wired port on the desktop right? |
| 06:50.53 | ethan33 | yes |
| 06:51.02 | beepie | ethan33, so just use a rj45 cable and you're done. |
| 06:51.13 | ethan33 | but i have to give my friend back the laptop |
| 06:51.19 | ethan33 | i cant keep it |
| 06:51.25 | beepie | ethan33, you just need to setup routing on the Windows-sharing on the laptop, |
| 06:51.31 | beepie | lol |
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| 06:51.52 | beepie | ethan33, your friend can't spare a wired connection to his internet? |
| 06:52.08 | ethan33 | no |
| 06:52.12 | ethan33 | =/ |
| 06:52.16 | beepie | ethan33, well then he's not your friend then.. |
| 06:52.22 | beepie | XD |
| 06:52.23 | ethan33 | well its actually my mom |
| 06:52.33 | ethan33 | but i need to give her back her laptop |
| 06:52.35 | beepie | says cruel mom |
| 06:52.37 | beepie | lol |
| 06:53.22 | ethan33 | maybe i should just return the adapter and wait it out |
| 06:53.26 | beepie | :) |
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| 06:57.04 | ethan33 | or wait |
| 06:57.10 | ethan33 | maybe i can do what you said beepie |
| 06:57.14 | ethan33 | to resolve dependencies |
| 06:57.15 | ethan33 | etc |
| 06:57.20 | ethan33 | and then when its fixed i undo it |
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| 07:07.25 | tmh1999 | Hi guys I hope some one here could help me :D I want to ask how much severe it is about the warning of using 'experimental' packages? Thanks. |
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| 07:10.46 | TacoGS | Something something gamma radiation |
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| 07:12.24 | tmh1999 | TacoGS : Well I mean, then, why developers/maintainers put it online though? |
| 07:12.36 | nkuttler | tmh1999: for other developers to test |
| 07:12.59 | tmh1999 | nkuttler : Right. |
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| 07:15.45 | tmh1999 | TacoGS, nkuttler : I have one more question. Can I track the history of a certain package marked as 'experimental'? Well I mean I want to know the progress of itself being the experimental thing. |
| 07:16.18 | nkuttler | tmh1999: there should be a changelog in the package |
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| 07:17.01 | tmh1999 | nkuttler : Oh right. Thanks :D |
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| 08:14.12 | dokma | I've just rented a datacenter machine from OVH with a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1245 V2 @ 3.40GHz |
| 08:14.38 | dokma | The problem I have is that PHP seems to be twice slower than on my old machine which has a much slower G850 |
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| 08:14.55 | dokma | at least when I run bench.php benching script |
| 08:15.17 | dokma | is there any way to do a good solid benchmark of the two CPUs to compare? |
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| 08:15.55 | Disconsented | Realworld benchmarks in a nutshell |
| 08:16.03 | dokma | The Xeon reports 6784.88 bogomips in /proc/cpuinfo vs 5787 for G850 |
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| 08:16.31 | dokma | Disconsented, the machine has nothing on it so I can't do that |
| 08:16.41 | dokma | and if I migrate then I'm stuck to the new machine |
| 08:16.52 | dokma | so I need some way to sniff it out in advance |
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| 08:21.13 | justanotheruser | why would a backport require me to upgrade libc6 to the testing version to work? |
| 08:22.02 | dokma | maybe it's poorly compiled? |
| 08:23.23 | justanotheruser | the backport? |
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| 09:40.03 | Cheesecake__ | hey,. im new to linux , i need to edit the config file for a game, its just a normal .txt file however when i open it with editor nano |
| 09:40.12 | Cheesecake__ | is full of ^@F^@U^@L^@L^@S^@C^@R^@E^@E^@N^@_^@M^@O^@N^@I^@T^@O^@R^@_^@I^@D^ |
| 09:40.18 | Cheesecake__ | 121 lines of characters liek that |
| 09:40.58 | Cheesecake__ | i find file command it say |
| 09:40.59 | Cheesecake__ | Little-endian UTF-16 Unicode text |
| 09:41.04 | Cheesecake__ | just normal text file |
| 09:41.13 | Cheesecake__ | so why can editors on windows open it but not on linux? |
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| 09:44.17 | themill | Editor should handle that too (and lots of editors under windows won't handle that encoding either fwiw). It's pretty unusual to find that rather than utf8. |
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| 09:45.40 | Cheesecake__ | ok thanks |
| 09:45.48 | themill | I have no idea how nano decides on encodings. vim certainly can handle taht |
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| 09:46.29 | Cheesecake__ | vi says |
| 09:46.35 | Cheesecake__ | local/share/Runic Games/Torchlight 2/local_settings.txt" [Incomplete last lin e] 121 lines, 4770 characters (2384 null) |
| 09:46.41 | Cheesecake__ | O\200P\200E\20 |
| 09:46.47 | Cheesecake__ | then full of characters like above |
| 09:46.53 | Cheesecake__ | cat command |
| 09:46.55 | Cheesecake__ | will work |
| 09:46.59 | Cheesecake__ | shows whasts really in it |
| 09:47.04 | Cheesecake__ | i just cant editor it lol] |
| 09:48.32 | Cheesecake__ | meh libreoffice wroiter opens it |
| 09:48.35 | themill | vi â vim |
| 09:48.41 | Cheesecake__ | libreoffice is more powerful than vi then lol |
| 09:48.50 | Cheesecake__ | *writer |
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| 09:56.31 | otyughh | hey there. Anyone have a clue why smplayer is changing alsa's sound ? It's super annoying. When a vidéo start sound is super super hight |
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| 09:57.18 | rapha | hi! |
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| 10:03.02 | l3archos | hey all. I am running wine-development. I just installed "playonlinux" but it cannot detect wine. It says, wine has to be installed. But I have it installed, it's just the more recent version and the package name installed by dpkg is called "wine-development". Can I teach PlayOnLinux somehow to detect it as wine? |
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| 10:03.44 | rapha | nm got it |
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| 10:04.57 | rapha | oh great now they're not unmountable from within cinnamon |
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| 10:05.31 | Lyze | Good morning :) |
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| 10:11.12 | jelly | l3archos: best ask PlayOnLinux people that question |
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| 10:18.40 | rgr | playonlinux allows you to install different Wine versions itself. |
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| 10:19.06 | rgr | http://wiki.playonlinux.com/index.php/Managing_Wine_Versions |
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| 10:25.08 | nextbox | Can I ask about SmokePing here? |
| 10:26.19 | bazhang | ,v smokeping |
| 10:26.20 | judd | Package: smokeping on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.3.6-5+squeeze1; squeeze: 2.3.6-5+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.6.8-2; sid: 2.6.9-1; jessie: 2.6.9-1 |
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| 10:29.51 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 10:30.57 | l3archos | jelly: rgr: ok thank you. I will ask there and read the Wiki |
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| 10:38.44 | nextbox | What does asterisks mean in smokeping alert pattern configuration, for example: >0%,*5*,>0%,*5*,>0% |
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| 10:57.29 | Panikku | hello, I just released a new version of my Debian based distro. Want to check it out: http://squeezepop.x10.mx/ |
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| 10:57.52 | bazhang | Panikku, try debian offtopic channel |
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| 10:58.53 | rgr | why release an entire distro just to use a single WM? Seems like a waste of time. |
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| 11:10.55 | l3archos | which tool do you guys prefer for managing various connections to different hosts for SSH, RDP, VNC, Citrix, etc.... ? I used "putty" before (on windows workstation) but now I am on linux |
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| 11:12.14 | jelly | ssh is separate, rdp is separate because finicky options for xfreerdp, and there's no client for vSphere :-| |
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| 11:30.09 | ChrisH | l3archos: ssh, vncviewer, rdesktop. dunno about citrix. |
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| 11:31.01 | l3archos | ChrisH: I mean I am looking for a GUI where I can initially create all my connections, host names, port, user login + passwords, etc... and then just double-click on them when I need them |
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| 11:31.22 | l3archos | actually I am opening a terminal window and use the "ssh" command :( |
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| 11:31.47 | ChrisH | l3archos: never had the need for such a GUI. I have terminals open and run the commands I need. |
| 11:31.56 | jelly | for ssh I use Konsole profiles. Coworkers use tmux or screen sessions |
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| 11:32.56 | l3archos | ChrisH: sure, that works. But I manage a LOT of hosts. In my former putty list I had about 50 hosts |
| 11:33.12 | ChrisH | l3archos: ~/.ssh/config is your friend |
| 11:33.17 | ChrisH | + ssh-keys |
| 11:33.18 | jelly | l3archos: there are tools that attempt to integrate rdp/vnc/etc but they're mostly crap. |
| 11:33.22 | l3archos | jelly: tmux is something I also use on quite every host, but that's something quite different |
| 11:33.24 | jelly | http://kuthulu.com/gcm/?module=screenshots&lang= |
| 11:33.40 | l3archos | ChrisH: no ssh-keys at all used |
| 11:33.52 | nyuszika7h | !ops daveX7 unauthorized bot |
| 11:33.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nyuszika7h complains about: daveX7 unauthorized bot |
| 11:34.09 | ChrisH | l3archos: thats a mistake :) |
| 11:34.09 | jelly | nyuszika7h: does it do anything? |
| 11:34.11 | l3archos | I will look into rdesktop or maybe any other sofrware... just thought you guys know some |
| 11:34.21 | nyuszika7h | no clue, first time I see it |
| 11:34.32 | jelly | I'll leave it be then. |
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| 11:34.42 | l3archos | ChrisH: that is another topic (ssh-keys vs pwd) but I don't have the time to discuss about it, but thanks |
| 11:34.49 | l3archos | alright, however thank you |
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| 11:35.03 | nyuszika7h | jelly: if it's anything like bots I've seen, it *may* be logging but I don't know for sure |
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| 11:35.18 | jelly | nyuszika7h: we do have public logs. |
| 11:35.35 | nyuszika7h | ok then :P |
| 11:35.44 | jelly | thank you for your concern. |
| 11:36.02 | nyuszika7h | I just noticed it was banned from #bash and then saw that it's here and in #ubuntu too |
| 11:36.07 | rafazur | Hi, Is some metapackage to install all the driver firmwares packages (non-free and free). We want to put all those firmwares so students have wifi mostly working |
| 11:36.11 | rafazur | ? |
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| 11:36.31 | nyuszika7h | rafazur: firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 11:36.57 | rafazur | nyuszika7h: great, thanks a lot |
| 11:39.30 | rafazur | nyuszika7h: those metapackages install all the firmwares which also come in other individual packages? For example, I see : firmware-realtek, firmware-atheros |
| 11:39.33 | rafazur | nyuszika7h: etc |
| 11:39.57 | bazhang | ,v hhvm |
| 11:39.58 | judd | No package named 'hhvm' was found in i386. |
| 11:39.58 | jelly | rafazur: actually, those only aggregate some of the firmware. They do not pull in other separate packages like firmware-iwlwifi etc. |
| 11:40.32 | rafazur | jelly: so I should install those separate packages as well if I want all the firmwares right? |
| 11:40.56 | jelly | rafazur: yes. I don't know whether there's an actual metapackage for what you want |
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| 12:37.18 | albru123 | Hi, can you recommend me alternative to vnc4server? This vncserver offered only 6 characters long passwords, so I'm looking for some alternative |
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| 12:48.04 | ntz | hello |
| 12:48.19 | ntz | what should I do after completely replacing sources.list ? |
| 12:48.30 | ntz | not needed some additional steps ? |
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| 12:49.01 | ksk | ntz: do an "apt-get update" to make apt recognize the new lines |
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| 12:49.35 | ntz | I know .. but no other steps required ? good, thanks |
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| 12:55.35 | oliv3r | Hi, i'm trying to write a systemd service file on debian jessie. I added the User=<someuser> to my [Service] block, yet the service is still run as root according to ps axwu, am I missing something? |
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| 13:29.57 | MaNe | https://twitter.com/eddy_mane/status/574924140576182272 |
| 13:30.00 | MaNe | thanks debian :) |
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| 13:30.27 | MaNe | you have a proper network :) |
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| 13:34.47 | Brigo | oliv3r, where did you find that User= option? i cannot find it. |
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| 13:40.50 | oliv3r | Brigo: Brigo http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html |
| 13:41.05 | oliv3r | Brigo: but a reboot 'fixed' it, so i guess systemd was caching stuff somewhere, even daemon-reload didn't help |
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| 13:41.26 | Brigo | weird |
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| 13:42.01 | dreamcat4^ | hi. is there an way for apt-get to avoid needing to install the pkg "apt-transport-https" ? |
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| 13:42.14 | dreamcat4^ | e.g. ssl-no-verify or something like that ? |
| 13:42.21 | oliv3r | Brigo: but thanks :) |
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| 13:48.19 | jelly | dreamcat4^: that package does not get installed by default |
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| 13:50.18 | dreamcat4^ | jelly: ok, nevermind. it turns out i can just s/https/http/g in my apt source(s). and they still work. |
| 13:50.45 | jelly | dreamcat4^: yes, no debian mirrors default to https:// anyway |
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| 13:52.02 | dreamcat4^ | jelly: yeah it was a 3rd party mirror (docker) |
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| 13:53.05 | dreamcat4^ | not needing https pkg should make my docker images 15MB smaller (and they will build faster) |
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| 13:56.39 | UkletiBurek | alo |
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| 13:56.55 | nkuttler | UkletiBurek: do you speak english? |
| 13:57.02 | UkletiBurek | yes |
| 13:57.03 | UkletiBurek | why |
| 13:57.05 | UkletiBurek | ???? |
| 13:57.27 | nkuttler | because this is an english-speaking channel |
| 13:57.50 | UkletiBurek | i know that, i just typed into the wrong window |
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| 14:03.31 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 14:04.25 | ZenWalker | I dont know how to subscribe to debian-devel-announce? |
| 14:05.31 | nkuttler | ZenWalker: does that not work like all other lists? |
| 14:06.05 | Fusselkater | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ @ ZenWalker |
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| 14:08.13 | ZenWalker | Fusselkater: ok ok xD, thanks :) |
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| 14:33.38 | Tenkawa | Any of you got experience working with the realtek 8723as sdio driver? |
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| 14:35.34 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 14:35.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:36.39 | Lyze | good evening guys ;) |
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| 14:38.39 | Tenkawa | ChrisH: was that direted at me? |
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| 14:39.38 | mtn | Tenkawa: very likely ;) |
| 14:39.42 | Tenkawa | ChrisH: I am very aware of how to ask questions here. It was my very specific intent to ask "opinions" on the 8723as driver's state |
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| 14:40.23 | Tenkawa | mtn: yeah I figured. I just dont like the auto "dont ask to ask" reaction when my q had a very specific intent |
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| 14:41.34 | mtn | Tenkawa: it seems the same as asking if anyone uses it. perhaps it would have been better to ask about the quality of the drivers in your original question as suggested by the bots response. |
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| 14:42.28 | Tenkawa | mtn: well.. considering theres only a handful of us using it anyway from what I read I wint get good statistics anyway |
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| 14:42.34 | Tenkawa | er wont |
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| 14:42.47 | Tenkawa | oh well... cheers anyway.. |
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| 15:03.56 | darxmurf | re |
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| 15:04.22 | nullfaith | Trying to decide how hard to lockdown this debian server. And learning how. XD |
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| 15:04.32 | deepy | nullfaith: as hard as you can |
| 15:04.41 | darxmurf | I have a doubt with "find" for example to find all files with name file1 and file2. I can use : find . -name "file[12]" |
| 15:04.42 | deepy | you should even unplug the network cable |
| 15:04.44 | darxmurf | right ? |
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| 15:04.47 | acampbell | deepy: As far as installing SELinux? :P |
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| 15:05.27 | acampbell | I would honestly use SELinux on an internet-facing server... but internally, it's just so much trouble. |
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| 15:06.05 | darxmurf | acampbell: I agree |
| 15:06.06 | darxmurf | :) |
| 15:06.21 | acampbell | darxmurf: I'd usually use find and pipe it to something else (like grep) |
| 15:06.33 | acampbell | or xargs |
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| 15:07.33 | nullfaith | This is the first time I have ever had a home server public facing. It has my blog on it now. |
| 15:07.35 | darxmurf | well but I have some conditions :) |
| 15:07.40 | darxmurf | find */nmr/*/*/pdata/*/ -type f -mtime +60 -name "1[ri]" -o -name "2r?" -o -name "2i?" -delete |
| 15:07.53 | acampbell | that's an impressive-looking find command you have there |
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| 15:08.25 | acampbell | if it got to that point for me I'd probably make a bash script. |
| 15:08.33 | darxmurf | :D |
| 15:08.38 | acampbell | wildcards (* etc) work peculiarly at times like that. |
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| 15:09.23 | acampbell | nullfaith: my advise is to secure what you can - use iptables to lock down everything but 80 and 443, etc. |
| 15:09.29 | darxmurf | well, I have to delete all 1r 1i 2rr 2ri 2ir 2ii files older than 60 days in **/pdata/*/ folders |
| 15:09.42 | darxmurf | this line is doing the job I think :) |
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| 15:09.48 | acampbell | If it works for you, great ;) |
| 15:09.58 | darxmurf | and in fact the [] is interpreted by bash and not find |
| 15:09.59 | acampbell | I would have probably written a for-loop |
| 15:10.15 | acampbell | ..or two :P |
| 15:10.20 | darxmurf | well the problem is that I have shitload of files and folders... |
| 15:10.29 | darxmurf | a for look will take ages |
| 15:10.32 | nullfaith | Yeah I have my iptables locked down pretty well, just trying to get everything else done. It is a little more involved than I expected, but I am learning a lot. |
| 15:10.39 | nullfaith | acampbell: ^ |
| 15:11.23 | fraff | darxmurf: I'll enclose OR conditions with \( \) to avoid any trouble |
| 15:11.25 | acampbell | At the place where I work, we have a ridiculously huge images folder. As in, it's so big that Windows is incapable of handling just how many folders and subfolders there are. |
| 15:11.49 | acampbell | It takes a couple hours just to get a directory listing. |
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| 15:12.43 | darxmurf | fraff: yep you are right thanks |
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| 15:14.59 | nell | Can I just use gparted to copy the partition? http://a.pomf.se/iigufm.png I wanna copy /dev/sda6 to here: http://a.pomf.se/ijxoqz.png |
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| 15:17.32 | ChrisH | nell: _I_ would simply use fdisk to create the partition on sdb, mkfs it, mount both sides (sda in ro mode), use tar to transfer the content cd /sda6/mountpoint ; tar cpSf - . | ( cd /sdbX/mountpoint ; tar xvfpS - ) |
| 15:18.06 | Brigo | ChrisH, or tell gparted that make it for you :) |
| 15:18.25 | Brigo | nell, you can do it. |
| 15:18.50 | darxmurf | or rsync |
| 15:19.02 | nell | copy paste gparted |
| 15:19.09 | nell | then clone /boot |
| 15:19.13 | nell | done lol |
| 15:19.33 | ChrisH | quick google search for "gparted copy partition" shows: http://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/03/copy-partitions-with-gparted/ |
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| 15:19.59 | ChrisH | Brigo: I never used gparted and I do not like graphical partions stuff at all |
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| 15:20.18 | Brigo | ChrisH, i can see it :) |
| 15:20.43 | darxmurf | It's the first time I see this option in gparted :D |
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| 15:21.24 | Brigo | i have never used gparted to copy a partition or other graphic intercace stuff neither. |
| 15:21.37 | nullfaith | cfdisk ftw. |
| 15:24.52 | darxmurf | the one I love is the partition extension on command line :D delete the partition and recreate it in the same place but bigger... |
| 15:25.18 | darxmurf | it's always fun to press "enter" to kill the partition :D |
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| 15:35.39 | DammitJim | what tools are there to encrypt one's hard drive? |
| 15:35.54 | Vroomfon1el | luks |
| 15:36.02 | Vroomfon1el | that's the usual toolset |
| 15:36.46 | darxmurf | shred :D |
| 15:37.04 | darxmurf | but you can't read it at all after that :D |
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| 15:42.49 | darxmurf | see you tomorrow ! |
| 15:42.52 | darxmurf | and thanks :) |
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| 15:56.51 | jelly | trysten: yes, in general |
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| 15:58.15 | dreamcat4^ | hi, i would like to install xmltv-0.5.66. is there some way to do that on debian ? |
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| 15:58.52 | ChrisH | ,v xmltv |
| 15:58.53 | judd | Package: xmltv on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.59-1; wheezy: 0.5.63-2; jessie: 0.5.63-2; sid: 0.5.63-2 |
| 15:59.16 | ChrisH | dreamcat4^: not from a repo. |
| 15:59.39 | dreamcat4^ | ChrisH: on ubuntu we have 3rd party PPA's. is there anything similar on debian ? |
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| 16:00.14 | acampbell | dreamcat4^: Yes, if you can find an external/3rd party repo that hosts that particular package, you can certainly add that to sources.lst |
| 16:00.54 | ChrisH | dreamcat4^: no. Or at least to do not want to use any 3rd party repo. Whats wrong wirh the version 0.5.63-2? |
| 16:00.57 | dreamcat4^ | acampbell: i'm not sure is it's suitable, but: http://debian.crustynet.org.uk/~xmltv-tester/squeeze/release/8/result.html |
| 16:01.54 | dreamcat4^ | ChrisH: that version is about 2 years old and missing an essential program 'tv_grab_uk_atlas'... because here in uk they switched over from RT-->atlas over a year ago |
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| 16:02.16 | dreamcat4^ | (it's grabbing tv listings from the internet) |
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| 16:02.53 | ChrisH | dreamcat4^: Thats a valid point. The mentioned webpage looks strange as wheezy is not testing since a few years |
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| 16:03.59 | acampbell | That tests page seems outdated - it's listing Wheezy as 'testing' and squeeze as 'stable' |
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| 16:04.26 | dreamcat4^ | ChrisH: can i install a .deb from here somehow ? ---> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/agwa-guest/xmltv.git/ |
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| 16:04.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 16:04.51 | dpkg | removes a liver from noimnotninevolt and replaces it with foo.deb |
| 16:05.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | hey, i needed that :( |
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| 16:05.26 | acampbell | NoImNotNineVolt: I think he meant if he can make a .deb out of a .tar.gz. At least, that's my guess. |
| 16:05.32 | dreamcat4^ | debian bug report for xmltv 0.5.66 (the same) ---> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766271 |
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| 16:06.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | totally misunderstood :P |
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| 16:06.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | in that case, `man debhelper` |
| 16:06.38 | otyugh | is debian designed to be reinstalled or is it meant to be upgrated from one version to another ? |
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| 16:07.16 | tmh1999 | Hi guys I hope some one here could help me :D I am using Debian Jessie GNOME, sometimes I see a pop up telling me that updates are available? I want to know which program do that? Thanks. |
| 16:07.38 | crash_ | software updater? |
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| 16:08.38 | otyugh | tmh1999: I guess you are looking for synaptic or apt-get ? |
| 16:08.42 | tmh1999 | crash_ : a pop up from the bottom of the screen. It lasts only a few secs. |
| 16:09.01 | otyugh | ho, nvm >< |
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| 16:09.28 | acampbell | tmh1999: You can either use a package manager (like Synaptic) or the aptitude command-line client. |
| 16:09.54 | otyugh | acampbell: his question is more "what program is doing a popup of 'update available'" |
| 16:10.18 | tmh1999 | otyugh : exactly :D |
| 16:10.31 | otyugh | what environement do you use ? |
| 16:10.34 | acampbell | I think it's update-manager-gnome |
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| 16:10.53 | tmh1999 | acampbell: I removed that package. |
| 16:11.09 | otyugh | xfce, openbox, kde, gnome ? |
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| 16:11.24 | acampbell | update-notifier, perhaps? |
| 16:11.28 | dreamcat4^ | maybe can use alex tomlin's PPA: https://launchpad.net/~alex-tomlins/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+sourcepub/4642227/+listing-archive-extra |
| 16:11.42 | tmh1999 | otyugh : I want to know that because if it is like a daemon kept running, I wont be happy. If it is more like a trigger/notification or some thing, I want to know. I am using GNOME as I said above. |
| 16:11.45 | otyugh | Ppa. On debian ? For real dreamcat4^ ?. |
| 16:11.57 | jhutchins | ,v xmltv |
| 16:11.58 | judd | Package: xmltv on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.59-1; wheezy: 0.5.63-2; jessie: 0.5.63-2; sid: 0.5.63-2 |
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| 16:12.27 | acampbell | The package on the debian repos is outdated. Still, probably not as outdated as teamspeak. |
| 16:12.31 | acampbell | ,v teamspeak-client |
| 16:12.32 | judd | Package: teamspeak-client on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 2.0.32-3.1 |
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| 16:12.48 | acampbell | Someone should really fix that. |
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| 16:13.14 | otyugh | teamspêak isn't free software, so it's not big deal :p |
| 16:13.21 | jhutchins | ,maint xmltv |
| 16:13.22 | judd | Package xmltv version 0.5.63-2 was uploaded by Chris Butler on 2012-06-30, last changed by Chris Butler and maintained by Chris Butler. |
| 16:13.55 | dreamcat4^ | judd: this is the one (for xmltv): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766271 |
| 16:14.01 | acampbell | We shouldn't just abandon the non-free repo :P |
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| 16:14.29 | tmh1999 | otyugh, acampbell: Oh. I saw that software in the bottom notification bar, and I check the process running. Its name is 'gpk-update-viewer' |
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| 16:14.42 | tmh1999 | otyugh, acampbell: Can I remove this package ? |
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| 16:15.07 | acampbell | check the dependancies, if it doesn't have any then you shouldn't have problems |
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| 16:15.24 | vamps | tmh1999: you can disable it normaly in System ⸠Preferences ⸠System ⸠Software Updates |
| 16:15.33 | tmh1999 | well, $ apt-cache search gpk-update-viewer doesnt bring anything. |
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| 16:15.54 | jhutchins | dreamcat4^: It rather looks like the debian package has been abandoned. |
| 16:16.21 | jhutchins | !uupdate |
| 16:16.21 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 16:16.28 | tmh1999 | vamps: How so in GNOME (shell) 3.14.1 |
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| 16:16.34 | tmh1999 | vamps: How so in GNOME (shell) 3.14.1 ? |
| 16:16.46 | acampbell | tmh1999: use dpkg --search rather than apt-cache search |
| 16:17.05 | acampbell | assuming that gpk-update-viewer is the binary name rather than the actual package name |
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| 16:17.20 | tmh1999 | acampbell: awesome ! |
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| 16:17.49 | jhutchins | tmh1999: Find the file using which and/or locate, dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 16:19.49 | otyugh | Instead of removing the package, it's usuallly cleaner to find who is actually running it |
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| 16:20.21 | dreamcat4^ | jhutchins: well that's a shame. then to be safe, i should stick to running tvheadend+xmltv on Ubuntu then |
| 16:20.41 | dreamcat4^ | as those pkgs are better supported over there |
| 16:21.12 | jhutchins | dreamcat4^: I would think backporting it yourself using the method dpkg posted would be a good idea for now. If you can clean up the build errors for the man pages you might even consider becoming a maintainer. |
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| 16:23.03 | dreamcat4^ | jhutchins: it's probably not for me. i'm using debian only inside of docker. my host is ubuntu. just wanted to convert as many of my docker images to debian - because it's smaller image size |
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| 16:24.14 | dreamcat4^ | i can always convert the image to debian later on, if those pkgs end up gettin updated in debian. i shall try to subscribe to the debian bug report for notification. |
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| 16:25.10 | berndj | where can i get older versions of packages? i want to get linux-headers-3.14-2 or whatever it is that corresponds to linux-image-3.14-2-amd64 |
| 16:25.27 | centrx | berndj, http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 16:25.30 | tmh1999 | otyugh : I am running it. How do I disable it? I don't know how to find System ⸠Preferences ⸠System ⸠Software Updates in GNOME (shell) 3.14 as vamps said. |
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| 16:31.08 | serard | Hello |
| 16:31.34 | serard | Anyone knows if possible to cache HTTPS apt using APT-CACHERÂ ? |
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| 16:33.16 | mkilivan | I'm trying to install a guest OS of Debian (Jessie) on a host OS of Windows 7. Everything appears to work - the machine boots and the Debian install starts. I'm using the default settings of the installer, with the recommended 8GB .vdi file, and I've tried the dynamically expanding file and the static size of 8GB, with the same error. |
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| 16:33.51 | mkilivan | Could anyone shed any light on this - or offer some way to diagnose the problem better? |
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| 16:34.40 | mkilivan | That occurs at the point when the partitioner is at the end of its business, when it fails with "The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) at / failed." |
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| 16:34.51 | jhutchins | mkilivan: The actual error would be helpful, as would the vm system you're using. |
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| 16:35.09 | berndj | if i dpkg -i a random .deb file, will it check the package's signature? |
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| 16:37.17 | jhutchins | berndj: Dunno, try it and see. |
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| 16:38.47 | mkilivan | jhutchins: When I install stable version of Debian everything is fine. But I need to install Jessie. Is this a known issue on Jessie installer? |
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| 16:39.58 | jhutchins | mkilivan: The testing installer exists for the purpose of testing the installer. It's one of the last components to be completed before release, because it must incorporate any changes to the release. |
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| 16:40.20 | jhutchins | mkilivan: The standard way of getting a testing install is to install stable, then attempt an "upgrade". |
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| 16:40.51 | jhutchins | mkilivan: More info on testing might be available in #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 16:41.30 | mkilivan | jhutchins: Fair enough, Thank you. |
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| 16:47.12 | abrotman | mkilivan: what error? |
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| 16:48.57 | mkilivan | abotman: The Error "The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) at / failed." |
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| 16:49.59 | dondelelcaro | mkilivan: there should be a real error on the debugging console |
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| 16:53.02 | mkilivan | dondelelcaro: I will copy-paste the log messages in a bit. |
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| 16:56.10 | mkilivan | dondelelcaro: "Ext4: Unknown symbol pagecache_get_page_fixed (err 0)" |
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| 16:57.13 | mkilivan | I see similar issue here. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772702 |
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| 17:04.04 | mkilivan | Should I install stable and then upgrade to Jessie? |
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| 17:04.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | why not just install jessie? |
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| 17:04.56 | jelly | maybe because there is no ready d-i for jessie, just snapshots? |
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| 17:05.16 | greycat | I guess it depends on whether you want to help test jessie's installer. |
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| 17:05.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | or if you want to avoid the pain of upgrading. |
| 17:05.48 | greycat | So, flip a coin. ;-) |
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| 17:06.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | especially if you want to run jessie w/ systemd |
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| 17:06.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | (i've never switched init systems during upgrade, and i'd rather not start now :P) |
| 17:07.09 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: upgrading the base system isn't that much work |
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| 17:07.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's clearly more work than not having to upgrade the base system :P |
| 17:08.02 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: disagreed, if you happen to stumble onto a weekly build that has no ext2-ext3-ext4 support like some people this weekend |
| 17:08.04 | mkilivan | I would prefer just install Jessie. Here is the CD ISO page link. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 17:08.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's very possible that i'm ignorant, but i just don't see the point of installing an older version just to upgrade to a newer one. at that point, how do you decide which older version to install? how far back to go? |
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| 17:08.35 | mkilivan | I downloaded "debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso" |
| 17:08.44 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: i've done just the base system, not painfull at all |
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| 17:10.20 | abrotman | mkilivan: please use the netinst |
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| 17:11.22 | teraflops | NoImNotNineVolt: weekly/daily builds may become a kind of lottery |
| 17:11.38 | abrotman | mkilivan: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso Such as that, or test the RC1 linked at the top of the page |
| 17:11.48 | abrotman | teraflops: They should be fairly stable at this point |
| 17:11.59 | abrotman | I mean, Jessie RC bugs are something like 50-60 .. |
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| 17:12.23 | teraflops | abrotman: sounds good |
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| 17:14.07 | greycat | Do I want to know what possesses someone to release an installer without ext2/3/4 support? |
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| 17:14.42 | Ooze | Sometimes when I use apt it complains and wants me to put the CD back in |
| 17:14.45 | Ooze | Why's that? |
| 17:15.00 | bazhang | remove it from the sources.list |
| 17:15.00 | squisher | Ooze, I'd remove / comment the cd lines in the sources |
| 17:15.01 | otyugh | wut Ooze |
| 17:15.01 | Ooze | Media change: please insert the disc labled: |
| 17:15.05 | greycat | Comment out the cd lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update". |
| 17:15.07 | teraflops | Ooze: take a look at your sources.list |
| 17:15.21 | Ooze | Ah okey |
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| 17:24.08 | rww | greycat: nobody "released" it, it's a bug in the generated weekly snapshot |
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| 17:24.37 | rww | the solution is to use the RC1 installer, or upgrade from stable as mentioned |
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| 17:26.52 | jelly | rww: or pick a daily build and hope it's better |
| 17:27.06 | jelly | or wait 6 days I guess |
| 17:27.43 | rww | there are daily builds of d-i? |
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| 17:28.15 | rww | oh, huh, just found them. today i learned. |
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| 17:35.54 | isthisreallife | hello |
| 17:36.11 | isthisreallife | how can i restrict users to their home directories only? |
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| 17:38.10 | ne0h|nihilist | isthisreallife: could you be more specific? |
| 17:38.16 | centrx | isthisreallife, What does that mean? Then they can't run any programs? |
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| 17:39.16 | isthisreallife | i dont want them to see other files |
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| 17:39.31 | isthisreallife | so that user named test_user wont go to directory /etc |
| 17:39.35 | phy1729 | isthisreallife: it's pretty easy with sftp http://www.debian-administration.org/article/590/OpenSSH_SFTP_chroot_with_ChrootDirectory |
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| 17:40.25 | greycat | Or, you could just learn that there's nothing to hide in /etc other than the things with restricted permissions like /etc/shadow, so you don't NEED to jail your users. |
| 17:40.59 | ne0h|nihilist | indeed |
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| 17:49.15 | RobertLabrie | When mounting an NFS share, how do I specify a local user to "own" the files? With cifs I do: -o uid=someuser. |
| 17:49.30 | greycat | NFS doesn't work like that. UID on the server = UID on the client. |
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| 17:49.37 | RobertLabrie | greycat thanks |
| 17:49.47 | greycat | That's why it's extremely common to use NFS + NIS to keep the UIDs in sync as well. |
| 17:50.14 | RobertLabrie | remote host is windows. It's possible to do, I just didn't understand NFS well enough. Googling. |
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| 17:50.44 | greycat | Ugh, I have no experience with "Services For Unix" or whatever Microsoft is calling it this year. |
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| 17:51.12 | RobertLabrie | it's been depricated |
| 17:51.48 | RobertLabrie | NFS is part of their storage suite now, it's not bundled with services for unix |
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| 17:54.41 | deepy | greycat: the latest was Subsystem for UNIX Applications |
| 17:55.13 | RobertLabrie | Ok so my options are spend hours figuring out how to fake the UID on an NFS share on Windows, or store a CIFS password in plain text in my fstab. You'd think after nearly 30 years the interoperability wouldn't still suck this bad... |
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| 17:55.26 | RobertLabrie | thanks guys |
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| 17:56.58 | RobertLabrie | just in case anyone was wondering: http://blogs.technet.com/b/filecab/archive/2012/10/09/nfs-identity-mapping-in-windows-server-2012.aspx |
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| 17:57.04 | RobertLabrie | and again, thanks |
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| 18:26.44 | DevAntoine | hi |
| 18:28.21 | DevAntoine | twice in a week apache stopped responding, but the service is still running |
| 18:29.03 | DevAntoine | access.log is empty and the last line of access.log.1 ends at [03/Mar/2015:15:47:25] oO |
| 18:30.32 | DevAntoine | + apache2 was using more than 1.5Gb ram for low trafic websites, wtf?! |
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| 18:43.50 | nkuttler | DevAntoine: well, next time it happens check if network traffic is filtered |
| 18:44.03 | nkuttler | DevAntoine: other than that, if restarting apache fixes the issue it might be a bug |
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| 18:46.51 | RobertLabrie | If you're running a PHP site (or any app that runs as an extension), then if it goes berzerk and eats all your resources, on the outside it'll appear to be httpd right? |
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| 18:47.01 | Vroomfon1el | RobertLabrie: yep |
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| 18:47.21 | Vroomfon1el | assuming it's mod_php |
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| 18:47.34 | RobertLabrie | is php the only one? phython et al run as cgi? |
| 18:47.41 | RobertLabrie | TBH I only know PHP |
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| 18:47.57 | Vroomfon1el | AFAIK cgi processes usually appear separately |
| 18:48.13 | Vroomfon1el | they certainly do on the servers my applications run on |
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| 18:49.00 | sieve | May I ask an OT question? |
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| 18:49.15 | Vroomfon1el | sieve: there's an OT channel (#debian-offtopic) |
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| 19:03.52 | StaticLNX | Any idea when Debian 8 will go release? |
| 19:04.07 | xbustershin | help cant boot from flashdrive with debian. other distros boots up. tried rufus,unetboot,Lili,copying iso contents to usb no good. T_T |
| 19:04.46 | xbustershin | debian-live-7.8.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso from torrent |
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| 19:05.22 | squisher | StaticLNX, the freeze is in effect, beyond that I doubt anyone can predict that exactly |
| 19:05.47 | StaticLNX | squisher, ok |
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| 19:06.34 | squisher | xbustershin, copying contents? dd'ing the image is the correct approach I think |
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| 19:07.03 | tremon | xbustershin: did you also try the method described in the manual? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 19:07.32 | trysten | why is ctrl+l screen refresh in vim and irssi? |
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| 19:08.12 | trysten | oh.. maybe it's screen. oops. anyways i'm having a weird issue. my ssh tunnel is complaining channel 3: openfailed: connect failed: Connection refused |
| 19:08.22 | trysten | but it's working fine. the tunnel is functioning |
| 19:08.36 | Brigo | ! |
| 19:08.50 | Brigo | !usb install |
| 19:08.50 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 19:09.05 | xbustershin | copying i open iso with winrar then extract to flashdrive. |
| 19:09.31 | tremon | trysten: ^L is ascii FF, aka form feed. It causes the printer/screen to discard the current page |
| 19:09.38 | Brigo | xbustershin, it will not work. |
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| 19:10.04 | xbustershin | other distros is booting up if i goto boot select |
| 19:10.36 | Brigo | xbustershin, are you in linux now? |
| 19:10.51 | xbustershin | i have 1 |
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| 19:10.59 | xbustershin | on laptop |
| 19:11.02 | Brigo | then are you in windows? |
| 19:11.15 | xbustershin | i have both |
| 19:11.34 | trysten | xbustershin: you might like goodbye-windows.com. |
| 19:11.47 | trysten | update: goodbye-windows.com is expired. goodbye-microsoft.com is still up |
| 19:12.02 | Brigo | i am asking about where you are, i meant what are you using just now. :) |
| 19:12.18 | xbustershin | this client is on windows |
| 19:12.30 | Brigo | TheNumbers, trysten is right. |
| 19:12.34 | Brigo | sorry |
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| 19:12.43 | Brigo | xbustershin, then trysten in right. |
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| 19:13.30 | Brigo | gtg, bye :) |
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| 19:24.05 | Robert_Labrie | xbustershin there is DD for windows |
| 19:25.35 | trysten | should it be possible that wheezy-backports has an older version of some software than wheezy main? |
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| 19:30.41 | ChristW | I was sent here to ask about a dependency problem. I set up a 32-bit Ubuntu virtual host to build a program form source, but I ran into this: http://pastebin.com/CyPyW9yF. Also, someone asked me to run this: http://pastebin.com/GcxzEg2s. Any clues? |
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| 19:31.35 | greycat | If you're building in Ubuntu then you should ask #ubuntu. |
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| 19:32.11 | squisher | trysten, I don't think so, do you have an example? |
| 19:32.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | cue the "but ubuntu is just debian" :P |
| 19:32.52 | greycat | cue the !based on |
| 19:33.23 | Stijn | hehe |
| 19:33.41 | ChristW | greycat: Ok, Iâll ask over there⦠|
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| 19:34.03 | rww | They were already in there, dunno why they came here, #ubuntu certainly didn't tell them to. |
| 19:34.05 | rww | sighs |
| 19:34.56 | Stijn | I'd ask #kodi lol |
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| 19:35.07 | acampbell | Didn't you know? #debian is the definitive Linux room :) |
| 19:35.12 | Stijn | heh |
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| 19:35.25 | acampbell | I'm having a problem doing xyz in CentOS! |
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| 19:36.09 | acampbell | make run |
| 19:36.15 | acampbell | Uh, sorry, wrong pane... |
| 19:36.17 | Stijn | wrong term :P |
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| 19:38.32 | trysten | squisher: yes. paste.debian.net/plain/160422 |
| 19:39.07 | Robert_Labrie | I asked my NFS question in #ubuntu, no answers, came here, answer in 5 seconds. I'd use Debian except for some FUD, imo Ubuntu == debian testing |
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| 19:39.10 | trysten | squisher: it may just be the version numbers are funny for burp, because the backport is better supported (as far as burp-ui goes) |
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| 19:39.36 | acampbell | non-distro specific questions about NFS makes sense. |
| 19:39.56 | acampbell | But that guy was asking about problems with package dependencies. |
| 19:40.12 | Robert_Labrie | oh ... yeah that was illogical |
| 19:40.29 | trysten | Robert_Labrie: FUD == Fear Uncertainty and Doubt? |
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| 19:41.14 | Robert_Labrie | trysten yeah ... in my case Ubuntu was already in place as "the Linux we use", and when I said I like Debian I was told "It's close enough just use Ubuntu" |
| 19:41.17 | Robert_Labrie | shrugs |
| 19:41.19 | jhutchins | Robert_Labrie: Your opinion is incorrect. |
| 19:41.20 | squisher | Robert_Labrie, that's true in some areas, but really not true in others. |
| 19:41.22 | Robert_Labrie | gotta get paid right? |
| 19:41.27 | macrobat | Robert_Labrie: your opinion is wrong and ubuntu is offtopic |
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| 19:41.40 | Robert_Labrie | ok, true all around. Dropped. |
| 19:41.48 | jhutchins | Robert_Labrie: They've drifted further from Debian with every release and are very much their own distro now. |
| 19:42.08 | squisher | trysten, 48 > 8, you can read in the debian policy manual how version numbers are compared if you're curious |
| 19:42.13 | acampbell | Robert_Labrie: Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad!! |
| 19:42.19 | acampbell | ;p |
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| 19:42.39 | trysten | squisher: OH. derp. thank you very much. |
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| 19:43.22 | trysten | i liked ubuntu before the ruined the default desktop with unity and the sidebar thing |
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| 19:44.51 | average_man | hello there. |
| 19:45.06 | jhutchins | trysten: If I understand correctly, it's possible to have older versions in backports if the backport is old, and has been superceeded by a newer main package. Apt should manage the update correctly, but the older file should get cleaned up. |
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| 19:48.18 | polyphagia | why does openjdk need libpulse? |
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| 19:48.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm gonna go ahead and guess "for audio"? |
| 19:49.03 | polyphagia | but the headless one needs it too |
| 19:49.08 | polyphagia | and x11-common |
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| 19:49.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | well, wasn't pulseaudio another lennart project? |
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| 19:50.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | i, for one, am not surprised to hear that it has woven its tendrils deep into other projects :P |
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| 19:50.39 | jhutchins | polyphagia: Needs x11 or recommends it? |
| 19:50.45 | polyphagia | needs it |
| 19:50.53 | polyphagia | NoImNotNineVolt: yeah it was lol |
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| 19:51.24 | polyphagia | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 19:51.34 | polyphagia | dep: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) |
| 19:51.35 | polyphagia | :S |
| 19:51.55 | polyphagia | and somewhere it decided it also needed x11-common |
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| 19:52.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | just because you're running headless doesn't necessarily mean you don't want to read audio streams, right? |
| 19:52.28 | jelly | polyphagia: it was probably an easier solution than building it two times |
| 19:52.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | maybe you've got a headless audio-processing server. |
| 19:52.57 | polyphagia | i guess so |
| 19:53.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | maybe it's just because it would've been too much work to rip out all of the non-headless stuff :P |
| 19:53.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | maybe they ripped out what they could and left the rest for determined people such as yourself :P |
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| 19:54.10 | jhutchins | polyphagia: I'd file a packaging bug. |
| 19:54.59 | jhutchins | polyphagia: I had a web server that needed imagemagic, it tried to install a complete X environment. (That was a while back, and a different distro.) |
| 19:55.21 | polyphagia | this isn't a complete x environment though just x11-common |
| 19:55.27 | polyphagia | i don't think it's a bug |
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| 19:56.07 | Jeena | I have written a Qt application in C++ which depends on Qt 5.4 and can be installed with make install. I would like to package it into a .deb but I'm not sure where to start, any tips? |
| 19:56.13 | jhutchins | polyphagia: Which pulse might be pulling in, dunno. The actual dependency error for the jdk package is pulse, you could file that. If you want to track down why it's doing x, have fun. |
| 19:56.27 | polyphagia | true |
| 19:56.44 | polyphagia | it might need pulse though for audio streams though |
| 19:56.47 | jhutchins | polyphagia: I'm just saying bad dependencies happen, and if no-one reports them they don't get fixed. |
| 19:56.50 | polyphagia | no second though* |
| 19:56.52 | polyphagia | :P |
| 19:56.56 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 19:57.27 | jhutchins | polyphagia: Worst that can happen is that the maintainer will know that it's needed and will call you a twit for filing the bug. |
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| 20:13.21 | acampbell | offtopic: w |
| 20:13.32 | acampbell | whoops, apologies |
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| 20:17.46 | ghormoon | hi, any ideas how to debug write error: invalid argument when I try to manuallyy bind pci device to driver? Its not bound to anything yet |
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| 20:23.27 | Oscilax | hi |
| 20:24.02 | Oscilax | how can i move /var/cache/apt/archive/*.deb into apt-cacher-ng 's cache? |
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| 20:26.30 | tremon | Oscilax: have you read acng's main html page? |
| 20:26.48 | tremon | (http://$acng_base/acng_report.html) |
| 20:27.12 | tremon | oops. That's a -, not a _ |
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| 20:44.44 | notajoke | Heyas all. I'm trying to get 'tail' to exec from within 'mail'. According to the mail man page '~! tail /var/log/dmesg' (no quotes) should work, but it just segfaults. Basic mailing works just fine, including attaching a file. Any ideas on how I can get tail to dump into the body of a mail message? |
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| 20:45.37 | notajoke | !beer mwilson |
| 20:45.37 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Gulden Drak for mwilson |
| 20:45.54 | greycat | If you get a segfault from that, file a bug report on it. |
| 20:46.08 | Stijn | !beer dpkg |
| 20:46.09 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for dpkg |
| 20:46.10 | notajoke | greycat: beauty, will do. Thanks! |
| 20:46.52 | ompaul | notajoke: when the bug is reported run tail > foo and attache foo |
| 20:46.56 | ompaul | oh lovely |
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| 20:47.15 | greycat | Not sure if trolling or .... |
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| 20:50.48 | xbustershin | anytools in debian to make usb installer i have debian in vmware |
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| 20:52.24 | ompaul | greycat: who knows, and if I got philosophical how can one know anything and soon after that I tend to sleep ;-) |
| 20:53.07 | ompaul | xbustershin: in the classic questioning mode, what are you trying to do, that just reads strangely |
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| 20:53.50 | xbustershin | oh sorry i have problem making a USB boot for debian live |
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| 20:54.44 | trysten | xbustershin: i haven't been able to give vmware direct device access before. good luck. i'd just use goodbye-microsoft.com if i were you |
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| 20:55.13 | xbustershin | or do i really have to burn dvd? |
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| 21:03.26 | Hallo32 | xbustershin: Just dd the iso to the usb stick |
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| 21:14.47 | shomon | hi |
| 21:14.54 | shomon | how can I get info on fuse environment variables? |
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| 21:21.11 | zeitsofa | shomon: I'm not really firm with fuse, but i hope this will help: http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__avr__fuse.html have a look at the end "You can print out the contents".. stuff i mean |
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| 21:24.20 | wald0_ | I smell a release |
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| 21:26.12 | debonized | hello all |
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| 21:27.12 | debonized | i have a problem with the installation of Jessie into a virtualbox VM. i selected guided partitioning. it creates the filesystem but fails to mount it. any ideas? |
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| 21:28.03 | srg | debonized: What's the error? What's the host OS? what's the disk controller options in vbox? |
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| 21:28.26 | debonized | the host OS is also a Jessie |
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| 21:28.57 | debonized | "attempt to mount ... failed" |
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| 21:29.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | hooray for descriptive error messages. |
| 21:30.10 | dondelelcaro | debonized: the logging console will have more detail |
| 21:30.14 | dondelelcaro | debonized: check that out first |
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| 21:32.10 | debonized | dang. i had to close the VM to get to the controller info |
| 21:32.40 | srg | It should be SATA |
| 21:32.57 | srg | with SATA Port 0 being your disk image (.vdi or whatever you used) |
| 21:32.58 | debonized | type was SATA / AHCI |
| 21:33.08 | debonized | yes |
| 21:33.36 | debonized | ok, lets do this again so i get a proper error message |
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| 21:36.48 | debonized | hmm, how can i get to the console in the graphical installer? |
| 21:37.52 | Brigo | debonized, try alt+control+f1 |
| 21:39.55 | Bremsstrahlung | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en <<< In 5.1.7, where it says "Graphical install", does that mean that the installer will be graphical? Or that it will install a desktop environment? |
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| 21:40.09 | ompaul | installer is graphical |
| 21:40.16 | Bremsstrahlung | ompaul: I see. |
| 21:40.23 | ompaul | you can install a DE from both |
| 21:40.26 | ompaul | or not from both |
| 21:40.32 | ompaul | as suits you |
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| 21:40.58 | Bremsstrahlung | And it also says that "Depending on the installation method you are using, the âGraphical installâ option may not be available."; is that available for https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ? |
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| 21:41.39 | zeitsofa | yes it is Bremsstrahlung |
| 21:41.53 | Bremsstrahlung | zeitsofa: Excellent. |
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| 21:42.46 | ompaul | I don't like the graphical method, but then I'm an old guy |
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| 21:43.52 | zeitsofa | ompaul: graphical method are better for take some screenshots :D |
| 21:44.16 | ompaul | turning off the flash on the recording unit |
| 21:44.18 | ompaul | works for me |
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| 21:44.56 | Bremsstrahlung | ompaul: Does it miss some details or any options that standard install gives you? |
| 21:45.04 | Bremsstrahlung | Or is it just personal preference. |
| 21:45.42 | ompaul | Bremsstrahlung: given that I don't use it, I'm not one to ask. |
| 21:46.41 | ompaul | Bremsstrahlung: it would be unlikely to offer anything other than the same options. |
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| 21:47.47 | Bremsstrahlung | ompaul: I see. |
| 21:47.59 | shomon | thanks zeitsofa |
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| 21:48.17 | Bremsstrahlung | ompaul: Your nickname is vaguely familiar; were you staff on freenode by any chance? Just curious. |
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| 21:50.17 | debonized | sorry that it took so long. i took a screenshot: http://justpaste.it/jurg |
| 21:50.37 | debonized | the error does not say a thing to me |
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| 21:56.06 | pardelkat | Is there an option to dual boot Debian when installing |
| 21:56.24 | pardelkat | Do I install grub when dual booting |
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| 21:56.48 | pardelkat | Thank you in advance |
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| 21:59.05 | debonized | pardelkat: you can use grub to boot your other operating system. which one is it? |
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| 21:59.27 | pardelkat | debonized: windows 8.1 |
| 21:59.42 | pardelkat | What if grub dies on me |
| 21:59.46 | debonized | you need to install that first as far as i know |
| 22:00.15 | debonized | when grub dies you use the usb drive/stick or cdrom/dvd to fix it |
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| 22:00.44 | zeitsofa | debonized: i think u'r right. Because it is possible to install linux at first - but i think that's a harder way :=) |
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| 22:01.37 | debonized | and it looks like i was digging debian bug #779922 |
| 22:01.51 | debonized | grrr! |
| 22:03.27 | debonized | where could i get a Jessie DVD that is older than 7-10 days? |
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| 22:03.59 | pardelkat | debonized: buy a blank and burn an old version |
| 22:04.06 | pardelkat | That's what I'd do |
| 22:04.24 | Delf | Is it possible to do multiseat with Debian Jessie? |
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| 22:05.56 | zeitsofa | debonized: from 2015-03-02 is ok? |
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| 22:06.48 | debonized | zeitsofa: critical. maybe the change was introduced exactly then. the week before that would be better when possible |
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| 22:09.02 | zeitsofa | debonized: 2015-01-09 you can found here: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/ |
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| 22:09.40 | debonized | thanks a lot |
| 22:09.46 | zeitsofa | u'r welcome |
| 22:09.48 | pardelkat | debonized: I have an iso from Feb 22 |
| 22:09.55 | pardelkat | Oh nvm |
| 22:09.58 | debonized | :D |
| 22:10.04 | debonized | thanks! |
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| 22:16.52 | mollooa | hi |
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| 22:17.18 | mollooa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.36 | mollooa | there was firefox who got pretty big market share, but then chrome happened and destroyed that |
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| 22:17.52 | mollooa | same situation with linux and windows, even that linux is free |
| 22:17.53 | brontosaurusrex | mollooa: cos they want things done til 3 a clock. |
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| 22:18.02 | curby | if i want to cache dns query results for local processes, and offer dns to other machines on my network is dnsmasq still a pretty good bet? or is there something better for lightweight uses like that? |
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| 22:19.00 | mollooa | brontosaurusrex right, they want something that works, with GUI, not learning 1000 hours console magic keywords |
| 22:19.20 | mollooa | brontosaurusrex but some free/open source software is pretty good to use, for example firefox |
| 22:19.43 | pardelkat | Isn't iceweasel FOSS? |
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| 22:19.57 | zeitsofa | curby: For me dnsmasq sounds good - bind is a bit too much. |
| 22:20.08 | curby | zeitsofa: thanks |
| 22:20.30 | brontosaurusrex | mollooa: and firefox does what kind of work? |
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| 22:20.48 | mollooa | brontosaurusrex web browsing, researching stuff |
| 22:20.52 | teraflops | curby: I use unbound for that |
| 22:21.09 | brontosaurusrex | mollooa: ok, thats why people use it |
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| 22:21.50 | mollooa | brontosaurusrex yes but there were more people using it, but then after chrome started, firefox started to lose users |
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| 22:22.43 | srg | curby: I second the recommendation for unbound. |
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| 22:23.14 | brontosaurusrex | mollooa: from what i heard chrome wont be in jessie, so ... |
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| 22:23.33 | teraflops | also does dnssec check validation (if you want) |
| 22:24.36 | curby | thanks folks. i'm reading about the differences now. i remember hearing about unbound before, but i never really researched much |
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| 22:25.07 | mollooa | does anybody know when debian will have proper file chooser? |
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| 22:25.30 | nkuttler | mollooa: when you write one? |
| 22:25.49 | mollooa | nkuttler no because even if i will, they won't upstream it |
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| 22:25.52 | mollooa | they will refuse |
| 22:25.57 | mollooa | there was discussion about it |
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| 22:26.26 | nkuttler | sounds like yours isn't as good as you think it is |
| 22:26.35 | mollooa | its not about mine |
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| 22:26.46 | mistermocha | dpkg question - is there a way to source the download url of a dpkg without adding the source? |
| 22:26.47 | dpkg | - is there a way to source the download url of a dpkg without adding the source: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet. |
| 22:26.52 | mollooa | its about debian file chooser not having BASIC functionality that even windows95 has |
| 22:27.00 | mollooa | and such reasons are why you lose with windows |
| 22:27.02 | nkuttler | mistermocha: what do you mean? |
| 22:27.16 | nkuttler | mollooa: feel free to continue this thought in #debian-offtopic |
| 22:27.27 | mollooa | nkuttler its not offtopic |
| 22:27.29 | mistermocha | nkuttler: sorry that didn't sound so clear... I want to download a dpkg from a third-party repo, but don't want to add to sources.list.d |
| 22:27.40 | mistermocha | (requirement for me adding into a jenkins build) |
| 22:27.44 | coventry | If you wanted to erase a system's package-management history without harming apt-get's future functionality, would it be effective to delete /var/{lib,log,cache}/{apt,dpkg}? |
| 22:27.45 | nkuttler | mollooa: it certainly is |
| 22:27.58 | nkuttler | mistermocha: wget? |
| 22:28.11 | mistermocha | I can wget the url directly for the dpkg, but the version may change over time |
| 22:28.12 | nkuttler | coventry: that sounds like a bad idea |
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| 22:28.14 | mollooa | nkuttler its not |
| 22:28.15 | mistermocha | because third party |
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| 22:28.59 | mistermocha | is there a way to ask the remote host directly for the latest version of a package without installing the apt source? |
| 22:29.59 | coventry | nkuttler: What harm do you think it's likely to cause? |
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| 22:30.05 | mistermocha | I know I can source the url, dump the html of the containing folder, parse out the content, and pick out the url from an ordered list... |
| 22:30.28 | mistermocha | coventry: it's not about what harm I think will come... it's a requirement of our jenkins system to not install any new apt sources |
| 22:30.29 | zeitsofa | mollooa: u need: bash/ksh/whatever coreutils package and xdg-utils package and you have a propper one :) and maybe offtopic is a better place for talking about :) |
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| 22:30.47 | nkuttler | coventry: i think the installed packages db is somewhere in there |
| 22:30.47 | mistermocha | and the url I drop into my makefile will not be stable if the third party provider increments the version |
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| 22:31.15 | mistermocha | (for the record, it's maxmind's geoipupdate ... I know there's nothing harmful in there, but business requires....) |
| 22:31.17 | coventry | nkuttler: Thanks. |
| 22:31.52 | nkuttler | mistermocha: um, the ip db? |
| 22:32.00 | mistermocha | nkuttler: yes that |
| 22:32.09 | mollooa | zeitsofa but lets see if you understand what i need, ill tell you. in debian, when i open file chooser in web browser (click on Browse... file) it allows me to CHOOSE file, but i doesnt allow to rename files, move them, copy etc. i want file chooser to be also normal file browser where you can do stuff, not just choose. just like on windows95 |
| 22:32.16 | nkuttler | mistermocha: pretty sure they have a non-packaged version of that where the file has timestamp in the name.. |
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| 22:32.18 | mistermocha | I'm downloading the geoipupdate module to build out a dpkg with the .dat files for distribution in our fleet |
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| 22:32.55 | mistermocha | nkuttler: I can pull source from github too, but their build doesn't seem to work at all according to their own docs |
| 22:33.11 | mistermocha | that is, their docs are wrong |
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| 22:33.39 | syco_ | hello |
| 22:34.00 | teraflops | mistermocha: does that package have dependencies that pulls on that untrusted repo too? |
| 22:34.21 | mollooa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.23 | nkuttler | mistermocha: pretty sure i just wget http://geolite.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/GeoLiteCountry/GeoIP.dat.gz once per month |
| 22:34.42 | nkuttler | mollooa: you're repeating yourself |
| 22:35.11 | mollooa | nkuttler im not answered |
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| 22:36.21 | syco_ | mollooa, try win98sp2 |
| 22:36.37 | mollooa | syco_ i want this in debian |
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| 22:36.44 | syco_ | try wine |
| 22:36.44 | mollooa | win95 is better than deb2015 |
| 22:36.56 | teraflops | pffffffff |
| 22:37.07 | nkuttler | mollooa: trolling is certainly off topic |
| 22:37.09 | mollooa | teraflops i provided argument |
| 22:37.13 | mollooa | nkuttler what trolling? |
| 22:37.16 | zeitsofa | mollooa: I'm sorry but it is a CHOOSER - and sorry again I'm not the right person to talk about, because I do all my file magic like move, rename,... on cli :/ |
| 22:37.17 | mollooa | i provided argument |
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| 22:37.40 | nkuttler | mollooa: it's not in debian. people don't want to write it. so write your own desktop environment and package it |
| 22:37.54 | teraflops | mollooa: im not going to feed you (the troll), im done |
| 22:38.06 | mollooa | zeitsofa see? and this is why people dont use crap software made by open sources. WE DONT CARE IF IT IS CHOOSER or FLYER. we care about usability, we want to be able manage files everywhere |
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| 22:38.19 | mollooa | nkuttler people want, but debian refuse to upstream |
| 22:38.35 | mollooa | teraflops you just protecting yourself from truth about debian |
| 22:38.36 | nkuttler | !ops mollooa is trolling |
| 22:38.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: mollooa is trolling |
| 22:38.46 | mollooa | !ops nkuttler false reports |
| 22:38.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: mollooa complains about: nkuttler false reports |
| 22:38.58 | acampbell | Guys, stop feeding the troll. |
| 22:39.08 | coventry | nkuttler: You're right, I just tested on a snapshotted vbox, and it breaks things pretty badly. |
| 22:39.10 | mollooa | acampbell troll because what? why you say so |
| 22:39.35 | mollooa | debian in 2015 does not contain proper file chooser |
| 22:39.47 | mtn | mollooa: please be quiet. no one wants to see your complaints |
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| 22:40.04 | mollooa | mtn why no? because its bad about debian? you want only positive complaints? |
| 22:40.23 | mtn | mollooa: you are off topic and annoying. please be quiet or go to a proper channel |
| 22:40.44 | mollooa | debian corporation are 100 years behind niggers. and 20 years behind windows. |
| 22:40.52 | mollooa | mtn im on topic, about debian |
| 22:41.04 | mtn | suer am glad there is ignore |
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| 22:41.08 | johskar | *sigh* ... |
| 22:41.10 | acampbell | mollooa: if you have a suggestion/feedback for gnome, I suggest you raise the issue with them |
| 22:41.15 | syco_ | (just by curiosity (not trying to troll ... but i quick installed konqueror on Mint) just crashes <- no schadenfreude) |
| 22:41.16 | mollooa | mtn yes lets ignore truth |
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| 22:41.22 | mollooa | acampbell gnome? who said gnome? |
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| 22:42.00 | teraflops | mollooa: complain elsewhere this chanel is not the official one go to oftc to complain |
| 22:42.01 | acampbell | syco_: try running it in a terminal and see if there are errors |
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| 22:42.56 | syco_ | acampbell, just gives me a gui (empty window asking to restore a session) |
| 22:43.01 | syco_ | anyway |
| 22:43.34 | nkuttler | !tell syco_ about mint |
| 22:43.35 | syco_ | could strace it (i'm on a "virgin" install) |
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| 22:43.57 | syco_ | nkuttler, that's what i meant |
| 22:43.57 | acampbell | personally I hate konqueror :P |
| 22:44.02 | syco_ | me too |
| 22:44.28 | syco_ | was just wondering about that stupid file opening question |
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| 22:44.55 | acampbell | I knew what the guy was talking about, but I don't think he understood it was an upstream issue (gnome) |
| 22:45.00 | acampbell | it's with uhm, |
| 22:45.03 | acampbell | nautilus |
| 22:45.05 | syco_ | nkuttler, cheers mate ;p |
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| 23:01.32 | curby | teraflops: srg: unbound seems to be doing the trick. thanks for the tip! |
| 23:02.58 | srg | curby: np |
| 23:03.19 | srg | curby: If you want DNSSEC validation, you have to install the unbound-anchor package |
| 23:03.35 | srg | (and set it up somehow? I'm not positive) |
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| 23:05.05 | abrotman | srg: you still didn't figure that out? |
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| 23:06.28 | curby | srg: it got installed by default when i installed unbound |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | srg: AFAIK, bind also does validatoin ? |
| 23:06.36 | curby | i'm using aptitude so maybe it goes above and beyond :) |
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| 23:10.47 | srg | abrotman: I gave up :-\ |
| 23:10.51 | srg | It's not that important I suppose |
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| 23:11.40 | abrotman | srg: It will be .. it will be! |
| 23:11.47 | abrotman | srg: did you only try with unbound? |
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| 23:15.10 | teraflops | curby: np |
| 23:15.55 | srg | abrotman: Yeah, only with unbound. I'm familiar with it from using FreeBSD where it replaced bind by default in the base |
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| 23:26.26 | srg | abrotman: Futher testing (just now) indicates that DNSSEC is working in CLI; but not detected via browser test sites |
| 23:26.28 | srg | hm. |
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| 23:29.11 | abrotman | fun= |
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| 23:34.57 | hanshenrik_ | sadfsad |
| 23:35.03 | hanshenrik_ | using the debian expert installer |
| 23:35.11 | hanshenrik_ | on "configure clock", i want tol choose UTC+1 |
| 23:35.15 | hanshenrik_ | but i can just choose UTC |
| 23:35.26 | hanshenrik_ | as far as i can see.. |
| 23:35.39 | abrotman | you can't pick by country or city? |
| 23:35.56 | hanshenrik_ | not on "Configure the clock" at least |
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| 23:36.12 | hanshenrik_ | maybe on "choose the language" |
| 23:36.39 | hanshenrik_ | oh |
| 23:36.42 | hanshenrik_ | "Select your location" |
| 23:36.55 | hanshenrik_ | "The selected location wil be used to set your time zone" |
| 23:37.07 | hanshenrik_ | the server is in US somewhere, but i want it to run on timezone UTC+1 |
| 23:37.09 | hanshenrik_ | so... |
| 23:37.41 | abrotman | so choose a city there |
| 23:37.42 | debonized | you can later "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
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| 23:38.00 | debonized | ah, you are still in the installer |
| 23:38.05 | hanshenrik_ | i can tell it that it's in norway, but if it start displaying stuff in norwegian, i will start shooting locale files... with a gun.. poor harddrive |
| 23:38.27 | nkuttler | pretty sure you should just set the location to the real one. configuring locales is another step |
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| 23:38.40 | debonized | good luck |
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| 23:41.24 | ahop | is there a tool for watching the "max" CPU % ever used by a process |
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| 23:41.40 | ahop | like watching at "top" all the time, and writing down the "max" |
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| 23:51.47 | yzarkugle | I'm running debian wheezy and I want to set up my laptop as a wireless access point. can anyone suggest a package or where the right documentation is |
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| 23:52.02 | abrotman | yzarkugle: partially depends on your driver |
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| 23:54.16 | yzarkugle | abrotman: iwlwifi |
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| 23:55.57 | nkuttler | yzarkugle: i think i had one of those.. and it supported master mode |
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| 23:57.21 | nkuttler | yzarkugle: configuring an access point is non-trivial though, several moving parts. masquerading, dhcp, dns, wireless security, etc |
| 23:57.29 | zeitsofa | yzarkugle: if your NIC supports master mode you can play with hostapd you need stuff like http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-setting-wireless-access-point/ |
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