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| 00:34.55 | ghormoon | Hi, any idea why may vnc4server start on 6001 but say 5901 in log? (If i connect 5901 it fails immediately, 6001 connects forever) |
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| 00:41.26 | SynrG | 6001 is display :1 for X applications, but only if you've authorized them |
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| 00:43.17 | ghormoon | If i do vnc4server, log syas port 5901, but netstat -lpn sees Xvnc4 on 6001 :/ |
| 00:44.00 | SynrG | As i said, it's for X |
| 00:44.17 | SynrG | 5901 is for vnc |
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| 00:45.09 | ghormoon | I'd expect it to be on 5901, but I can't figure out why it's not :( |
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| 00:48.23 | SynrG | It is |
| 00:48.50 | SynrG | And the fact that it's also on 6001 is irrelevant |
| 00:49.23 | polyphagia | :) |
| 00:50.59 | SynrG | netstat -lpn | grep Xvnc |
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| 00:51.40 | SynrG | I see 6001, 5901 and a Unix socket |
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| 01:17.26 | ghormoon | no, the problem is there's no 5901 :( |
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| 01:36.05 | srg | What's the default syslog daemon on Jessie? |
| 01:36.11 | srg | Is it rsyslog? |
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| 01:53.00 | r3g3x | i'm currently running virt-manager with kvm, using spice, and have several linux guests. i can't figure out why my debian guests have a max resolution of 1680x1050. i have the qxl driver installed and spice-vdagent. my other linux guests can run at 1920x1080. is there some other package debian specific i am missing? |
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| 02:01.25 | DrCode | Hi, im trying to set up hdmi sound on jessie |
| 02:01.41 | DrCode | but it doesnt work |
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| 02:01.50 | DrCode | what can i do? |
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| 02:06.08 | conley | DrCode: does it show up in sound settings? |
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| 02:08.49 | DrCode | yes, but when i choose HDMI out, the image becomes slower |
| 02:08.56 | DrCode | sorry my english |
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| 02:13.10 | DrCode | and the sound doesnt |
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| 02:30.26 | Seto_Kaiba | I... I come in peace ... |
| 02:30.42 | Seto_Kaiba | I ... need .... the disk images for ..... debian 2.2 ... the unofficial ones that support microchannel |
| 02:30.43 | Seto_Kaiba | ducks |
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| 02:32.54 | bazhang | http://mirror.debianforum.de/debian-iso-archive/potato/i386/ Seto_Kaiba |
| 02:33.17 | Seto_Kaiba | that's not the floppy disk images and *definately* not the unofficial patched microchannel support ones |
| 02:33.28 | bazhang | not exactly a super secret |
| 02:33.50 | bazhang | never saw you ask for that |
| 02:35.29 | Seto_Kaiba | reread my line |
| 02:35.30 | Seto_Kaiba | lol |
| 02:35.55 | bazhang | dont see floppy |
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| 02:45.36 | karlpinc | r3g3x: Possibly you're missing non-free firmware. Or just don't have the right video driver installed. |
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| 02:52.08 | r3g3x | karlpinc: thanks for the response. i'll try installing the firmware packages, but all the spice software should be open source. i know the xserver-xorg-video-qxl is the right video driver, and my resolution list does increase once installed. but my max resolution is just lower in debian than other linux distros using kvm and spice. |
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| 02:54.58 | karlpinc | r3g3x: I'd agree with you that my guesses are not highly likely to solve the problem. |
| 02:55.47 | karlpinc | r3g3x: I suppose it's possible that debian is just older software than the other distro's you're using. That might matter, although it's also hard to see what that would really have to do with resolution. |
| 02:56.35 | karlpinc | r3g3x: I suppose it's possible that there's something that happens to directly interact with the underlying hardware, in which case the firmware would matter. |
| 02:57.46 | r3g3x | karlpinc: thats kinda what i have been guessing (the older software versions), but i haven't found anyone else who claims to have this problem so i hadn't ruled out an error on my part either. |
| 02:59.49 | karlpinc | Seto_Kaiba: You might try archive.debian.org. |
| 03:00.06 | Seto_Kaiba | did. the docs for debian linked to a non-debian url |
| 03:00.13 | Seto_Kaiba | that's obviously long gone or i wouldn't be here :P |
| 03:01.14 | karlpinc | Seto_Kaiba: You could try archive.org But that might not have been up and running when 2.2 was out. |
| 03:01.26 | Seto_Kaiba | indeed |
| 03:01.32 | Seto_Kaiba | i'm still pressing ahead with the slackware floppies i have now |
| 03:01.36 | Seto_Kaiba | if i can get NFS working i'll be set .... |
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| 03:15.38 | karlpinc | r3g3x: Well, at least you feel speical. ;-) |
| 03:16.45 | karlpinc | r3g3x: I suppose there's the README.Debian files.... |
| 03:16.51 | karlpinc | !tell r3g3x about readme.debian |
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| 03:21.15 | pfred1 | anyone here use the xaw3d widget set on Debian? |
| 03:23.38 | r3g3x | karlpinc: thanks, i actually hadn't looked through the distro docs. good call. |
| 03:23.54 | pfred1 | when all else fails read the directions |
| 03:24.15 | pfred1 | I'm still looking for the directions for what I want to do |
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| 03:48.22 | shay_shay | hello |
| 03:49.21 | shay_shay | i want to download libc6:i386 on a 64 bit debian install, but i just want the deb. normally I could do "apt-get download foo" but in this case I have to enable multiarch before it will even fetch what I want |
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| 03:52.04 | themill | shay_shay: debsnap allows you to fetch arbitrary packages/versions/archs |
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| 03:54.27 | shay_shay | apt-file search debsnap |
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| 04:07.16 | shay_shay | thanks themill, snapshot.debian.org was what I needed |
| 04:07.26 | themill | np |
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| 04:22.36 | shay_shay | debian is so awesome |
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| 04:33.52 | sai | Though I know many items are available for packaging but I am unable to decide which one I should work up on, Can any one give me a source so that I can package it |
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| 04:34.54 | themill | !how-can-i-help |
| 04:34.55 | dpkg | Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. http://debian.org/intro/help |
| 04:35.12 | themill | It's usually best to pick something you care about |
| 04:36.58 | sai | there are too many at WNPP which one should I choose as a beginner |
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| 05:07.22 | jazzz | Hm... printenv shows no TMPDIR variable? Why? Is it defined somewhere by default? |
| 05:07.25 | jazzz | Jessie |
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| 05:55.30 | svetlana | what is the simplest to setup web server with cgi support? |
| 05:56.09 | svetlana | for this: http://dpaste.com/2GXKN5F.txt |
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| 06:11.25 | mi11k1 | hey, whats the proper way to install programs that dont have an install script and just come with an executable |
| 06:11.27 | mi11k1 | ? |
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| 06:25.37 | svetlana | mi11k1: put the executable to ~/bin/ and add it to the PATH environment variables |
| 06:25.47 | svetlana | variable, even |
| 06:26.25 | svetlana | cgi apparently is too much learning for me today. |
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| 06:37.28 | mi11k1 | svetlana, so its best in your local folder? |
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| 07:08.45 | JyZyXEL | how do you exclude things from the daily updatedb? |
| 07:10.40 | trewas | JyZyXEL: there is /etc/updatedb.conf to control what it includes |
| 07:10.52 | JyZyXEL | ah, yes of course |
| 07:17.18 | JyZyXEL | wowwww, i just found out my updatedb has been configured so that it indexes my backups every day :D |
| 07:17.32 | JyZyXEL | thats 3 million files :P |
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| 07:17.47 | JyZyXEL | no wonder it is taking hours |
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| 07:22.21 | trewas | running locate something-you-wouldn't-expect-to-be-found occasionally can reveal if it indexes something it shouldn't :) |
| 07:23.27 | maziar | i want to create server for my config file's is there any "how to" or toturial about this ? |
| 07:23.57 | JyZyXEL | trewas: it was actually configured to NOT include my backups (PRUNE_BIND_MOUNTS="yes") |
| 07:24.10 | JyZyXEL | but that setting is not valued for some reason |
| 07:24.35 | JyZyXEL | my backups are in /media/raid/backuppc and that is bind mounted to /var/lib/backuppc |
| 07:24.48 | JyZyXEL | and /var/lib/backuppc ended up being indexed still |
| 07:24.49 | epsilon | hours for 3M files? Must be some Network filesystem |
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| 07:24.59 | trewas | I have used PRUNEPATHS to exclude backups and so on |
| 07:25.08 | JyZyXEL | epsilon: i just have a I/O heavy workload at the moment |
| 07:25.23 | JyZyXEL | trewas: yeah i had to add /var/lib/backuppc to PRUNEPATHS |
| 07:25.28 | JyZyXEL | this might actually be a bug |
| 07:25.58 | trewas | could be |
| 07:28.19 | Bryanstein | Does anyone know a way have udev ignore a device? |
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| 07:40.10 | maziar_ | i want to create server for my config file's is there any "how to" or toturial about this ? |
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| 07:53.54 | Oscilax | maziar__: have a look at this guide: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-git-to-manage-your-user-configuration-files-on-a-linux-vps |
| 07:54.54 | maziar__ | Oscilax, sure i want something like git, but i want to write it on shell and i cannot use git, because i dont have internet on my server |
| 07:55.16 | valdyn | maziar__: of course you can use git |
| 07:55.37 | valdyn | maziar__: git is not identical to github.com |
| 07:55.42 | maziar__ | valdyn, how can i use git on server whitout internet ? |
| 07:55.59 | maziar__ | valdyn, does not neet to access to github.com ? |
| 07:56.00 | valdyn | maziar__: how can you run any server without internet? |
| 07:56.44 | rww | maziar__: no, git does not need access to github.com |
| 07:56.44 | valdyn | maziar__: but git is not even "any server", git works fine without any net at all |
| 07:56.49 | maziar__ | for security resoan we disabled internet on that server, and servers ip is 172.x.x.x |
| 07:56.58 | rww | github is just a random website that hosts git repositories, you can host them locally just fine |
| 07:57.13 | valdyn | !etckeeper |
| 07:57.20 | valdyn | maziar__: see the etckeeper package |
| 07:57.51 | maziar__ | rww, you mean i can setup local git repository ? |
| 07:58.05 | rww | yes... |
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| 07:58.45 | rww | and this sort of thing is why github frustrates me sometimes |
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| 07:59.41 | valdyn | even the people who use github use git without any network at all, intermittently |
| 07:59.46 | ch077179 | I've added export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim to root's .bashrc as well as to /etc/profile, yet crontab -e throws me into some non-vi editor. How can I have crontab -e being vi/m ? |
| 08:00.08 | ch077179 | for my user account it worked after putting the export into the user's .bashrc |
| 08:00.10 | valdyn | using github without knowing that you are having a local repo is kind of ironic really |
| 08:00.19 | rww | yep |
| 08:01.12 | valdyn | ch077179: you dont need to use the EDITOR env |
| 08:01.37 | ch077179 | but ... ? |
| 08:01.46 | valdyn | ch077179: use "update-alternatives --config editor" |
| 08:02.07 | ch077179 | sudo ... I assume? |
| 08:02.15 | valdyn | ch077179: as root, yes |
| 08:03.30 | ch077179 | thank you |
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| 08:04.46 | valdyn | ch077179: if you wanted to use $EDITOR, you would have to set it somewhere like in your own .bashrc, not root's |
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| 08:25.32 | ch077179 | valdyn: I did that too, it didn't affect sudo crontab -e though |
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| 08:27.40 | anonnumberanon | Is tracker-miner-fs installed by default during a Debian Xfce installation with version Wheezy? |
| 08:27.58 | anonnumberanon | It's led my computer to overload twice in a few weeks. |
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| 08:28.21 | anonnumberanon | Steals all of the ram and all of the swap hard drive allocation. |
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| 08:33.21 | anonnumberanon | It may be useful, I disabled the Downloads directory to see if that fixes it since I download so much stuff, this might be the culprit. |
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| 08:34.09 | jelly | anonnumberanon: looks like a gnome component |
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| 08:38.41 | Oscilax | where do the group names at https://packages.debian.org/testing/ come from and why are there much less groups used in /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
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| 08:40.45 | Oscilax | i think i run into this topic every 1-2 years. and i always gave up |
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| 08:57.29 | valdyn | Oscilax: of course the groups on the website dont directly correspond to the "section" in available |
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| 08:58.41 | valdyn | !debtags |
| 08:58.42 | dpkg | i heard debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/Debtags or ask me about <aptitude search>. |
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| 08:59.01 | Stijn_ | happy pi day! |
| 08:59.56 | Oscilax | debtags is a different approach. a very smart one |
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| 09:03.32 | Oscilax | my gosh, the news and DSA and all that are hand knitted wml files? |
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| 09:04.17 | Oscilax | in all kinds of languages |
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| 09:07.54 | valdyn | Oscilax: ok, i got it (i think) |
| 09:08.15 | valdyn | Oscilax: sections map directly, the available file only lists installed or uninstalled packages |
| 09:08.27 | valdyn | Oscilax: purged packages and packages that were never installed are not listed |
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| 09:09.54 | Oscilax | hmmm |
| 09:10.13 | valdyn | Oscilax: but beside that, the available file is (no longer) used on my system |
| 09:10.37 | valdyn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 139724 Oct 26 12:52 available <- mind the date |
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| 09:11.28 | Oscilax | the install date :( |
| 09:12.03 | Oscilax | the one to work with is "status" then? |
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| 09:12.36 | valdyn | Oscilax: yea |
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| 09:13.44 | panamark | Is it possible to setup a RAID1 over folders? |
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| 09:13.57 | panamark | network mounts |
| 09:14.11 | BW^- | This is slightly OT but the other channels are asleep - it's about bash: |
| 09:14.16 | BW^- | double-tapping the TAB key to get a directory listing or filename completion works always for me in bash, *except* for for the command "sqlite3" for the directory name "db". Why???? How can I fix? |
| 09:14.33 | valdyn | Oscilax: the available file is (only) used be dselect |
| 09:15.59 | Oscilax | thanks a lot for clearing that |
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| 09:31.08 | BW^- | anyone? |
| 09:31.15 | Oscilax | plenty |
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| 09:36.20 | BW^- | oscilax: how fix? |
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| 09:38.55 | Oscilax | BW^-: i am not even sure if i understand your problem |
| 09:39.29 | Oscilax | when you tab complete sqlite in bash it turns into db? |
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| 10:13.31 | hashworks | Hi! Sooo, I just fucked up my server. I had 1 root partition which was followed by an extended partition which contained partitions for /var, /var/log and /home. I wanted to unite them into one partition, and in my stupid believe that this could go right I removed them all by fdisk and recreated a new one. Now I think the partition table of the extended partition is los and /var and /home are empty - ideas? |
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| 10:15.22 | ohithere | hashworks: I'd say it's time to restore the contents of your /home partition from backups. |
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| 10:16.18 | hashworks | yup, home is partly save on other devices, /var trough... |
| 10:16.41 | Oscilax | hang on |
| 10:16.57 | digdilem | yes. I agree. Coming back from that is going to be hard if not impossible. |
| 10:17.10 | Oscilax | if you did not write to the system that was changed you can maybe restore the partition table with tools like testdisk |
| 10:17.30 | hashworks | I'll try that. |
| 10:17.57 | digdilem | good luck :) |
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| 10:22.58 | hashworks | Ok, I think testdisk sucessfully restored the old partition table, rebooting |
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| 10:28.46 | mekeor | i want to mount a vfat-filesystem such that it's writeable. i tried "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/usb0 -o rw,uid=1000,gid=1000" but it's still not writeable. can you help me? |
| 10:29.14 | mekeor | when i type "mount" in the command-line, i get "/dev/sdb on /media/usb0 type vfat (ro,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)". |
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| 10:30.58 | Oscilax | mekeor: what if you create and use /mnt/vfat instead of /media/usb0? |
| 10:31.34 | hashworks | Ok, everything well now. What are your advices to bring those safely together? http://i.imgur.com/TI48jCT.png |
| 10:33.20 | mekeor | Oscilax: doesn't help. |
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| 10:34.27 | Oscilax | mekeor: what about: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/usb0 -o rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,user |
| 10:34.40 | Oscilax | given that your IDs are correct |
| 10:35.21 | mekeor | my IDs are correct, yes :) |
| 10:36.21 | Oscilax | if the last bit ",user" does not help maybe setting the umask=000 |
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| 10:37.46 | mekeor | Oscilax: it still doesn't work… |
| 10:37.48 | mekeor | hmmm. |
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| 10:38.36 | mekeor | okay, so let's debug. |
| 10:39.14 | mekeor | first of all, i check my UID and GID with "user -u mekeor" and "user -g mekeor". the results are both "1000". |
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| 10:41.05 | mekeor | i unmount the extern filesystem, then i remount it using "sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/usb0" and then i check the filesystem type of the extern filesystem using "df -T". there i can read that it's a vfat type. |
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| 10:42.12 | JyZyXEL | how do you resize a VG to take up all the space on the PVs? |
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| 10:42.35 | Oscilax | mekeor: so far so good |
| 10:43.20 | Oscilax | my idea with the other mountpoint was that something overrides the settings |
| 10:45.20 | JyZyXEL | nvm, only needed lvextend |
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| 10:49.35 | mekeor | any ideas? |
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| 10:55.42 | sbeex | hi guys |
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| 11:05.32 | jelly | xecycle: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups |
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| 11:06.12 | xecycle | jelly: thanks |
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| 11:16.48 | mekeor | just for the record, i guess my problem was that the filesystem i wanted to mount was corrupted. that's why linux automatically mounted it read-only. so i had to fix the filesystem errors using "sudo dosfsck -w -r -l -a -v -t /dev/sdb". |
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| 12:33.45 | JyZyXEL | is it ok to partition some empty unused space while the system is running? |
| 12:35.55 | xand | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 12:36.16 | xand | but sometimes the kernel won't notice the changes without a reboot |
| 12:36.21 | JyZyXEL | well thats ok |
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| 12:36.58 | JyZyXEL | i just want to avoid booting a live-cd for something so trivial |
| 12:37.16 | xand | yes it's fine |
| 12:37.34 | xand | you can resize the root partition while it's in use if necessary |
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| 12:43.05 | nice92 | re |
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| 13:08.06 | JyZyXEL | are interactively given LUKS password cached so that for containers that share the same password, you don't have to type in the password twice? |
| 13:08.26 | JyZyXEL | talking of initramfs and crypttab behaviour |
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| 13:14.53 | knosys | guys... i cant understand the dpkg message when I ask it about jessie freeze. This version will be droped ? |
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| 13:15.27 | knosys | sorry about my english, its not very good.. |
| 13:15.40 | jalcine | click the first link in the message |
| 13:15.44 | jalcine | that has more info |
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| 13:18.50 | knosys | thanks I did.. I think i need to know much more things before understamding that information also |
| 13:19.03 | knosys | i still dont understand "freeze" meaning in this context |
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| 13:19.39 | knosys | I am debian user, not developer |
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| 13:20.45 | starbuck | hi, i installed one .deb from testing version, now i want to go back to the stable release, how can i do that? |
| 13:21.41 | starbuck | i did install the testing packet by adding testing repository to sources.list and did an upgrade just for that packet |
| 13:21.47 | starbuck | package |
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| 13:26.03 | knosys | I think someone may like to talk a bit about debian releases ? I am using jessie, maybe i should switch to a newer testing platform ? Or just use wheezy? sid ? A few ago i got a bit information reading that wheezy was stable release for production, jessie is testing, and sid was experimental version (more inestable than testing) . Is that so different now? |
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| 13:26.52 | knosys | starbuck, is purge and installing again those packages a viable option? :P |
| 13:27.18 | knosys | changing sources.list before that to the stable release again? |
| 13:27.53 | starbuck | knosys: it's not an option because it was for package libc6... |
| 13:28.24 | starbuck | i already changed back the sources.list |
| 13:28.26 | knosys | i dont know what is it about exactly, but i have noticed its installed one of those first , base packages |
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| 13:28.38 | knosys | and what if install --reinstall? |
| 13:28.48 | starbuck | yes, everything in the system depends on that package |
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| 13:29.16 | starbuck | doesn't work with --reinstall |
| 13:29.21 | knosys | oh |
| 13:29.36 | knosys | sorry then... I guess its all i know |
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| 13:30.07 | starbuck | thnx anyway |
| 13:30.21 | knosys | what about this? apt-get -t=<target release> install <package-name> |
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| 13:32.57 | starbuck | no: libc6 is already the newest version |
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| 13:34.42 | knosys | what is the version you have, and what is the version you want to downgrade to? |
| 13:35.29 | knosys | I am a totally noob mate, but if you dont mind to try things... :P I can trying to help you and enjoying learning this way xD |
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| 13:35.41 | knosys | I have readed that sudo apt-get install pkg_name=version , could do the job |
| 13:35.55 | knosys | to downgrade a package |
| 13:35.58 | starbuck | yes, just found that via google myself |
| 13:36.06 | knosys | ok nice |
| 13:36.08 | starbuck | but unfortunately it doesn_t work as well |
| 13:36.13 | knosys | ouch |
| 13:36.20 | starbuck | because of unmet dependencies |
| 13:36.27 | knosys | mmm -f? |
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| 13:38.18 | starbuck | i totally fucked it |
| 13:38.22 | starbuck | lol |
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| 13:38.56 | Oscilax | it said "do you really wanna do this even tho its bad?" and you agreed? :D |
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| 13:40.08 | starbuck | yes, i just gave up. it was a new installation and i tried something, i will just reinstall the system |
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| 13:40.34 | knosys | ouch, well it could be worst :D |
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| 14:06.58 | crised | How do I download a minimal iso? no network install? |
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| 14:09.38 | crised | Which is the most stable Debian Version, for a server? |
| 14:09.44 | crised | is it 7.8.0? |
| 14:09.47 | jhuebner | yes |
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| 14:10.20 | crised | jhuebner: I don't want cutting edge, or anything like that... |
| 14:10.33 | jhuebner | yes, go fo wheezy, it's the current stable release |
| 14:10.44 | jhuebner | *for |
| 14:10.55 | crised | Is debian primarily meant for servers? Is it a substitute for CentOS?? |
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| 14:11.42 | jhuebner | i wouldn't say so - it's for being used for whatever you need it to do |
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| 14:12.04 | mtn | crised: it is excellent for servers, or for desktops |
| 14:12.19 | crised | mtn: ok, cool |
| 14:12.28 | crised | which kernel does 7.8 have? |
| 14:12.46 | mtn | crised: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 14:13.10 | jhuebner | 3.2 - see: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
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| 14:13.29 | crised | thank guys |
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| 14:13.54 | jhuebner | please mind that jessie is close to being released (like in maybe two months) |
| 14:13.57 | SAKUJ0 | hey there, using jessie. i have /mnt/games mounted via NFS. things go bad if i suspend (sometimes i believe). i get a "stale file handle" when i cd /mnt |
| 14:16.19 | crised | jhuebner: thanks |
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| 14:17.10 | crised | I mounted the net iso into USB -> This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable floppy and |
| 14:17.18 | crised | it's a board with no VGA in it |
| 14:17.45 | mtn | crised: how did you burn the iso to usb? |
| 14:17.58 | crised | mtn: in arch likethis: # dd bs=4M if=/path/to/archlinux.iso of=/dev/sdx && sync |
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| 14:18.31 | mtn | crised: not doing arch, are you? how did you do the debian iso? |
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| 14:19.24 | crised | mtn: my main pc is arch, from arch I typed exactly this: sudo dd bs=4M if=~/Downloads/debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync |
| 14:19.25 | crised | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.14 | mtn | crised: ok, good. the error you got leads me to think something went wrong with putting the iso on the usb, or you aren't booting the usb |
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| 14:21.20 | crised | mtn: well at least the USB name says DEbian 7.8.0 amd 64 1 |
| 14:21.33 | mtn | crised: but it won't boot, right? |
| 14:21.56 | crised | mtn: correct, but my board has no display at all |
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| 14:22.34 | crised | mtn: Will I need to do a net install? |
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| 14:23.35 | mtn | crised: net install? as opposed to what? |
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| 14:24.02 | crised | mtn: sorry, PxE I think it's the term, boot on network or something like that |
| 14:24.05 | crised | I think this helps: https://github.com/ssinyagin/pcengines-apu-debian-cd |
| 14:24.12 | duckey | Will debian support i686? |
| 14:24.21 | mtn | crised: ah, I see. sorry, no experience with that |
| 14:24.37 | mtn | duckey: sure, it does |
| 14:25.22 | duckey | mtn last time I used this on i686 x wouldn't load. I love debian though |
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| 14:25.47 | dign0se | Hi all, anyone running debian on a phone? What's the latest and greatest best practice? |
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| 14:27.15 | duckey | What architecture should I use? |
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| 14:27.34 | mtn | duckey: the one that matches your cpu |
| 14:27.49 | duckey | I have i686 |
| 14:27.57 | duckey | so...... |
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| 14:28.49 | duckey | mtn i386? |
| 14:29.13 | duckey | or amd64 |
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| 14:29.55 | mtn | duckey: depends, do you have 64bit cpu? |
| 14:30.11 | mtn | duckey: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 14:30.12 | duckey | I think so |
| 14:30.28 | mtn | duckey: then I would use amd64 |
| 14:30.49 | duckey | I still like x86 just in case |
| 14:31.02 | mtn | duckey: then go ahead and use that ;) |
| 14:31.14 | duckey | okay |
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| 14:32.27 | duckey | I love me some debian |
| 14:32.56 | dign0se | I'm planning to buy a phone de novo, a cheap LTE or Huawei Android, and installing Debian natively. Am I forced to go the ADB route under emulation? |
| 14:33.28 | duckey | dign0se, sounds fun |
| 14:33.39 | dign0se | Or has someone figured out a better way? |
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| 14:44.12 | humbot | i'd like to know the answer to that too |
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| 14:46.58 | XF | hello i need help |
| 14:47.09 | XF | how can i upload a php file in my debian vps?? |
| 14:47.19 | crised | How do I change the iso for a system with no display? |
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| 14:49.39 | crised | How do I boot a system with no display? just serial console with Debian? |
| 14:49.56 | crised | This has relevant info, but really don't understand it https://github.com/ssinyagin/pcengines-apu-debian-cd |
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| 14:52.04 | valdyn | crised: to install via serial console the kernel takes a parameter: console=/dev/ttyS0 or similar. |
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| 14:54.03 | crised | valdyn: how do I do that? |
| 14:54.21 | valdyn | crised: depends on the boot manager |
| 14:54.23 | crised | I get a boot error while booting |
| 14:54.28 | valdyn | crised: we cant know.... |
| 14:54.57 | crised | valdyn: http://pcengines.ch/apu1d.htm |
| 14:55.01 | crised | that's my unit |
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| 14:55.41 | crised | valdyn: this is what I get Booting from 0000:7c00 This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable floppy and press any key to try again ... |
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| 14:56.17 | XF | huh some one answer please |
| 14:56.54 | crised | valdyn: can I modify the iso from the usb pen drive with that kernel param? |
| 14:57.06 | XF | and run it on browser? means i do my.vps.ip/xx.php on browser |
| 14:57.11 | XF | how can i upload a php file in my debian vps?? |
| 14:57.11 | XF | and run it on browser? means i do my.vps.ip/xx.php on browser |
| 14:57.21 | valdyn | XF: scp <file> <user>@<ip>: |
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| 14:57.33 | XF | valdyn what? |
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| 14:57.58 | valdyn | XF: which part of that simple command is hard to understand? |
| 14:58.17 | XF | valdyn the scp |
| 14:58.25 | valdyn | !scpü |
| 14:58.26 | valdyn | !scp |
| 14:58.28 | XF | means sftP? |
| 14:58.33 | valdyn | XF: man scp |
| 14:58.39 | valdyn | XF: no it does not |
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| 14:58.55 | XF | i think there is a var/www like that thing |
| 14:59.03 | jelly | XF: scp and sftp are similar and are both ways to copy a file to a remote machine. |
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| 14:59.46 | XF | i tried them i tried to upload on root and other user but unable to open on link |
| 15:00.04 | XF | i got to know that i need to put it in or what ever something with var/www like thing |
| 15:00.27 | valdyn | XF: try to make an effort to help us understand you, this is hardly intelligible |
| 15:00.34 | XF | ummm |
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| 15:00.57 | XF | when i uploaded the php file to remote section it was successful |
| 15:01.14 | XF | but when i tried to open it up on browser it didn't open |
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| 15:01.56 | valdyn | crised: you did something wrong when following the instructions to create an installer for your system |
| 15:01.56 | jelly | XF: how did it fail exactly? |
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| 15:02.24 | valdyn | crised: We cant know what it is. |
| 15:03.08 | jelly | XF: did you install a web server and php, and enable php in that web server, and put the file in the right place (somewhere inside the DocumentRoot) |
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| 15:03.31 | XF | how can i install webserver and php in my server? |
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| 15:04.18 | valdyn | !grounding |
| 15:04.19 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
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| 15:06.11 | jelly | XF: type "/msg dpkg lamp" in your irc client and read what the bot tells you. Then read the "/msg dpkg install apache" and "/msg dpkg install php" as well. |
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| 15:07.32 | crised | valdyn: nope, I don't think so |
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| 15:10.29 | m4rshall | i am using 'daemon --name=name /etc/command' which runs fine, but when doing a 'daemon --name=name --running' nothing shows up, any ideas why? |
| 15:10.47 | trysten | is /proc deprecated? |
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| 15:11.17 | jelly | trysten: no, why? |
| 15:11.54 | valdyn | trysten: its more and more superseded by /sys. |
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| 15:13.24 | crised | Hows this possible?? |
| 15:13.25 | crised | Debian CD and DVD images can now be written directly a USB stick, which is a very easy way to make a bootable USB stick |
| 15:13.40 | crised | iso image directly to usb drive?? |
| 15:13.44 | crised | what about dd? |
| 15:14.18 | valdyn | crised: dd is a program that can write an image to a usb stick. |
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| 15:14.36 | crised | valdyn: that's the part I don't understand... |
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| 15:14.38 | valdyn | crised: so what about it? |
| 15:14.41 | crised | Should I use dd or not? |
| 15:14.48 | sbeex | hello :) |
| 15:15.03 | valdyn | crised: theres at least a dozen programs that can do this - dd is one, feel free to use it |
| 15:15.27 | crised | valdyn: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 15:15.53 | crised | valdyn: oh... now I understand |
| 15:16.01 | crised | directly does not mean to copy the iso file to the pen stick |
| 15:16.04 | valdyn | crised: that page uses cp |
| 15:16.14 | valdyn | crised: the result is absoluetely identical |
| 15:16.15 | crised | valdyn: cp, then tar |
| 15:16.24 | crised | valdyn: tar is needed |
| 15:16.30 | valdyn | crised: tar is used for something else..... |
| 15:16.42 | crised | valdyn: sighs, I don't get it |
| 15:16.52 | crised | How my pen drive should look like? |
| 15:16.58 | valdyn | crised: tar extracts files in that case |
| 15:16.59 | crised | Like 1 big iso file, or like many files? |
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| 15:17.19 | valdyn | crised: many files |
| 15:17.31 | crised | valdyn: it's like this, and it does not boot |
| 15:17.45 | sbeex | I try to do this : User deploy:deploy create some files in /var/www/virtual/website.com and I need that the created files are owned by user vu2011:vu2011 (So I thought chown-R ... ) BUT if I do a chown -R then deploy user have nomore access to the files. How can I do to allow deploy to edit files owned by vu2011:vu2011 ? |
| 15:17.45 | trysten | jelly: just wondering about proc vs sysfs and bash scripting. |
| 15:17.45 | valdyn | crised: what did you write the image to *exactly* ? |
| 15:17.58 | crised | I installed openbsd before... and it let me add the serial params at boot, debian does not even boot |
| 15:18.29 | trysten | sbeex: just put vu2011 in deploys supplemental groups? |
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| 15:18.41 | crised | valdyn: many folders and files: boot, csss, debian, dists, doc, efi, firmware, install, install.amd |
| 15:19.02 | valdyn | crised: well, i dont see where you were supposed to do that |
| 15:19.15 | valdyn | crised: youre supposed to write one iso file to the stick |
| 15:19.15 | sbeex | trysten: do you have a link talking about that ? |
| 15:19.40 | crised | valdyn: really??? |
| 15:19.43 | sbeex | trysten : this way ? useradd -G {group-name} username |
| 15:19.48 | crised | other DISTROS are NOT like that at all |
| 15:20.07 | crised | valdyn: for example centos is like this: dd if=CentOS-6.5-x86_64-bin-DVD1.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 15:20.19 | valdyn | crised: great, same as debian |
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| 15:20.37 | valdyn | crised: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" <- do you see the analogy ? |
| 15:20.49 | crised | valdyn: not at all |
| 15:21.05 | crised | cp will copy 1 compressed iso file, dd will extract iso file and partition the usb |
| 15:21.16 | valdyn | crised: no, thats bullshit |
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| 15:21.37 | valdyn | crised: *both* write a filesystem image (an iso) to a block device (/dev/sdb) |
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| 15:22.04 | crised | valdyn: so cp will automatically extract all the files? |
| 15:22.14 | valdyn | crised: no! |
| 15:22.28 | valdyn | crised: it does *Exactly* the same as "dd" |
| 15:22.38 | XF | jelly there? |
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| 15:22.45 | crised | valdyn: dd extract files |
| 15:22.52 | valdyn | crised: no |
| 15:23.06 | valdyn | crised: dd has a manpage |
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| 15:23.28 | valdyn | crised: anyway, whereever the debian install guid uses "cp" to write a filesystem or disk image, you can use "dd" if you want |
| 15:23.47 | crised | valdyn: see this, is the contents of my usb stick, right or wrong? http://i.imgur.com/xW0IrmW.png |
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| 15:24.03 | valdyn | crised: when I close my eyes, can you see me? |
| 15:24.08 | crised | lol |
| 15:24.16 | crised | valdyn: so I did it wrong? |
| 15:24.22 | crised | that image is wrong? |
| 15:24.37 | crised | Is that usb stick setup wrong? |
| 15:24.47 | XF | valdyn my server is having php installed but still its giving me not found thing when i visit on webpage |
| 15:24.51 | trysten | sbeex: yes, that's what i'm talking about. then the group permissions (chmod g+{rxw} *) will apply |
| 15:24.54 | valdyn | crised: a long time ago I asked you how *Exactly* you write the debian.iso so your stick. But you did not reply. |
| 15:25.00 | valdyn | crised: please reply now |
| 15:25.22 | crised | [crised@arch Downloads]$ sudo dd bs=4M if=~/Downloads/debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync |
| 15:25.30 | XF | its having a case with /var/www idk how can i install on that |
| 15:25.35 | valdyn | crised: that would be ok |
| 15:25.39 | crised | valdyn: ok |
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| 15:25.48 | crised | still does not boot |
| 15:25.50 | crised | :) |
| 15:25.54 | trysten | lol crised. i was just reading this: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/NetEtiquette and it was talking about being vauge |
| 15:26.01 | jelly | XF: "not found" implies you put your .php files in the wrong place |
| 15:26.16 | trysten | crised: then you were vauge. hahaha |
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| 15:26.31 | crised | :-D |
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| 15:26.40 | XF | jelly where to put then? |
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| 15:26.48 | frankf | in .bashrc i have HISTSIZE=100000000000000000000000000000 and HISTFILESIZE=200000000000000000000000000 , yet when i run cat .bash_history|wc -l it says 639 lines.. how can i get my bash history to never clear and indefinitely continue to save? |
| 15:26.53 | crised | valdyn: so how can I tell the kernel to use serial console? |
| 15:27.03 | valdyn | crised: you said it doesnt boot |
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| 15:27.21 | jelly | XF: where did you put them? Look at the web server access.log and error.log and see what it tries to read. |
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| 15:27.27 | pipl | frankf: #bash |
| 15:27.50 | valdyn | crised: thats an error that happens before you could even set a serial console |
| 15:27.56 | jelly | XF: /var/log/apache2/ on debian 7 and apache |
| 15:27.57 | crised | valdyn: yes :( |
| 15:28.18 | crised | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.18 | crised | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.26 | crised | valdyn: openbsd gave me an option to deal with this |
| 15:28.30 | XF | jelly pm please |
| 15:29.02 | crised | valdyn: it had a boot console, does debian has a boot console? |
| 15:29.16 | jelly | XF: I don't give private help for free, sorry. Ask in here so other people are able to see what's happening and try to help. |
| 15:29.29 | XF | jelly ok no private |
| 15:29.29 | valdyn | crised: yea |
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| 15:29.43 | XF | where are the access.log and error.log file? |
| 15:29.46 | vmassuchetto | Stupid question: I accidentally dd'ed a disk image to /dev/sdX where sdX is my system drive. How can I know if any harm was done? Well, the system is still working so did the command was executed at all? |
| 15:29.47 | crised | valdyn: did you see the github guy work? |
| 15:30.02 | valdyn | crised: yea, he just uses dd like you did |
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| 15:30.16 | crised | valdyn: this is exactly my case: V |
| 15:30.17 | crised | https://github.com/ssinyagin/pcengines-apu-debian-cd |
| 15:30.25 | jelly | XF: in the /var/log/apache2/ directory, on debian 7 with apache |
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| 15:30.33 | valdyn | Upon booting the board, wait for F12 |
| 15:30.39 | valdyn | etc. |
| 15:30.40 | XF | how can i go there? |
| 15:30.43 | XF | @jelly |
| 15:30.50 | crised | valdyn: I do that |
| 15:31.20 | valdyn | crised: can you run "file debian.iso" ? |
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| 15:31.36 | vmassuchetto | crised, so it's done, then? |
| 15:31.42 | crised | valdyn: from where? |
| 15:31.47 | jelly | XF: "cd /var/log/apache2". You probably want to read some basic instructions on linux and unix and shell. |
| 15:31.48 | crised | vmassuchetto: ? |
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| 15:31.50 | vmassuchetto | crised, the system is damaged? |
| 15:31.50 | valdyn | crised: wherever you iso image is |
| 15:31.59 | crised | vmassuchetto: not at all, works fine with openbsd |
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| 15:32.09 | vmassuchetto | crised, ... ? |
| 15:32.27 | crised | valdyn: I have 2 computers, this one from where I'm chatting, and the APU board |
| 15:32.34 | XF | jelly now what after that command? |
| 15:32.36 | valdyn | vmassuchetto: he successfully wrote an openbsd image to his usb stick and booted it, he fails to do the same with debian |
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| 15:32.53 | vmassuchetto | valdyn, thanks, but that's not my case |
| 15:33.04 | crised | I dd the debian image from this computer, plugged the usb and it does not boot, did exactly the same with obsd and workwed |
| 15:33.11 | crised | vmassuchetto: what's your case |
| 15:33.11 | valdyn | crised: yea, do it from your debian system |
| 15:33.47 | jelly | XF: use the ls command to list directory contents. Use less to look at text files (like logs). |
| 15:33.48 | vmassuchetto | valdyn, crised well, i accidentally ran dd to the boot drive! |
| 15:33.52 | crised | valdyn: should I setup a debian system? |
| 15:33.59 | crised | vmassuchetto: shit sorry !! |
| 15:34.01 | pipl | often a iso must be a "hybrid" iso to work on both cd and usb. |
| 15:34.04 | valdyn | vmassuchetto: the beginning of your harddisk is now broken, that includes the partition table, so if you reboot your system wont start |
| 15:34.04 | vmassuchetto | valdyn, crised i want to know if i'll be able to boot again if i restart my computer... |
| 15:34.11 | crised | vmassuchetto: you won't |
| 15:34.12 | vmassuchetto | valdyn, oh well... |
| 15:34.47 | jelly | !tell XF about general cli tutorial |
| 15:34.51 | valdyn | vmassuchetto: if you only overwrite the swap partition, this could be recoverable. But if you have data there, its defenitely lost |
| 15:35.15 | valdyn | crised: so why dont you run "file" on that iso image? |
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| 15:36.21 | XF | so jelly what next command? |
| 15:36.36 | vmassuchetto | valdyn, well... I'll the back up and so |
| 15:36.49 | crised | valdyn: Konsole output [crised@arch Downloads]$ file debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso  debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso: DOS/MBR boot sector ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian 7.8.0 amd64 1' (bootable); partition 2 : ID=0xef, start-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), end-CHS (0x3ff,254,63), startsector 3440, 896 sectors |
| 15:36.49 | crised | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.57 | crised | valdyn: that's from my download directory |
| 15:37.13 | crised | do you want me to run file on the usb stick? |
| 15:37.24 | valdyn | crised: nah, that looks ok |
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| 15:37.42 | crised | valdyn: yes |
| 15:37.59 | jelly | XF: please read about some command line basics. |
| 15:37.59 | crised | This guy got it correctlu |
| 15:38.01 | crised | https://github.com/ssinyagin/pcengines-apu-debian-cd |
| 15:38.04 | crised | gtg, brb |
| 15:38.06 | XF | jelly please |
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| 15:39.13 | pipl | XF: you need to read coreutils docs. Enter "info coreutils". Next is "man sh". |
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| 15:40.15 | jelly | XF: sorry, I don't think this is the right place to tell you how to use "ls" and "less". Try starting at http://www.tuxarena.com/intro/intro.php |
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| 15:43.05 | deicide34 | Hello |
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| 15:43.28 | deicide34 | should i backport newer kernel for debian, or stick to the stable 3.2? |
| 15:43.46 | Vroomfon1el | do you need the newer kernel? |
| 15:43.50 | XF | how can i upload a php file in my debian vps?? |
| 15:43.50 | XF | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.52 | deicide34 | I have no issues with stable kernel |
| 15:44.11 | Vroomfon1el | XF: install a web server and configure it to execute PHP |
| 15:44.13 | jelly | deicide34: then you don't have a technical reason to get a newer one |
| 15:44.17 | Vroomfon1el | deicide34: then stick with it |
| 15:44.35 | XF | vroomfon1el can i pm u? |
| 15:44.49 | Vroomfon1el | no, please chat in the channel so that everyone can see & join in |
| 15:45.27 | XF | vroomfon1el ok |
| 15:45.34 | XF | how can i install webserver? |
| 15:45.39 | XF | i have installed apache |
| 15:45.45 | XF | and php |
| 15:46.07 | jhutchins | XF: You need to understand a lot more about web services and operating systems. This isn't just a point-and-click project. |
| 15:46.14 | jhutchins | xf The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 15:46.59 | jhutchins | XF: http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ |
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| 15:47.11 | deicide34 | jelly: My only (minor) problem is that sometimes text goes blank for a second. When i write in LibreOffice Writer and press space, for example, a line goes blank. |
| 15:47.25 | XF | jhutchins sorry i dont have time for reading all those things so please tell me the commands to do |
| 15:47.27 | Vroomfon1el | XF: what you are trying to do is commonly referred to as "building a LAMP stack". The best thing to do is to search the web for something like "debian lamp tutorial" |
| 15:47.52 | XF | vroomfon1el i want to load a php file on my vps |
| 15:47.53 | jhutchins | XF: Then you don't have time to build a web server. |
| 15:48.15 | jhutchins | XF: You need to read the documentation and understand what the risks involved are. |
| 15:48.15 | XF | jhutchins plz.. |
| 15:48.16 | jelly | Vroomfon1el: that's not really the "best" thing to do to get good advice for a debian system |
| 15:48.29 | jhutchins | XF: It doesn't work that way. |
| 15:48.34 | Vroomfon1el | jelly: depends which tutorial you end up with, surely ;) |
| 15:48.37 | jelly | Vroomfon1el: and XF is not at a level to discern good from bad results |
| 15:48.48 | r00t__ | Where do you guys work and why do you use debian |
| 15:48.52 | r00t__ | ? |
| 15:48.58 | jhutchins | !lamp |
| 15:48.58 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp, or http://geek-and-poke.com/geekandpoke/2013/6/15/the-geekpoke-old-chestnut-of-the-week |
| 15:49.00 | jelly | !why debian |
| 15:49.03 | Vroomfon1el | jelly: well... yeah, fair point |
| 15:49.24 | r00t__ | !why raped |
| 15:49.39 | r00t__ | :( |
| 15:49.39 | jelly | !why debian |
| 15:49.39 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 15:49.47 | jelly | r00t__: is that better. |
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| 15:50.04 | r00t__ | did you mention insecure with government backdoor |
| 15:50.14 | jelly | sigh |
| 15:50.22 | r00t__ | what motivates you |
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| 15:50.29 | deicide34 | r00t__: I used it for it's stability. I am now using Lubuntu 14.04 LTS,but want to revert back to Debian 7. |
| 15:50.48 | jelly | is not in the mood for games today |
| 15:51.05 | pipl | :-) |
| 15:51.54 | deicide34 | r00t: Too much bloat on other OS is the main reason to install Debian |
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| 15:52.36 | trysten | hear hear! |
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| 15:53.30 | deicide34 | When will you release Debian 8? How bug fixing of systemd is going? |
| 15:54.36 | jelly | "when it's ready" |
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| 15:55.33 | jelly | deicide34: but maybe you can compare its progress and general buginess with two previous releases, and try to guess yourself |
| 15:55.40 | jelly | !richihwwjr |
| 15:55.41 | dpkg | When _might_ jessie release? Read the latest blog at http://richardhartmann.de/tags/tech/floss/debian/rc-stats/8.0-jessie/ and guess yourself! |
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| 15:56.17 | sbeex | Could someone explain me why as ROOT when I try to create a symlink in a folder it tell me "Permission not allowed" ? WTF |
| 15:56.36 | deicide34 | jelly: Ok. Thx |
| 15:56.41 | wh0isthis | logger -t mysqld -p daemon.error |
| 15:56.43 | wh0isthis | what is this? |
| 15:56.59 | SAKUJ0 | is debian even still considered minimal? |
| 15:57.01 | SAKUJ0 | i would not agree with people calling debian bloated, but being minimal is not one of the main selling points is it? |
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| 15:58.54 | valdyn | SAKUJ0: and never was |
| 15:59.06 | jelly | SAKUJ0: it never really was "minimal" compared to other, esp. embedded-targeting distros, but there's a minimal debian installation. |
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| 15:59.54 | jelly | wh0isthis: logger is a command line tool to send messages to syslog |
| 16:00.19 | deicide34 | SAKUJ0: Minimal install is possible. Install just core system. Then just add openbox/LXDE and you have yourself a ''minimal'' system. |
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| 16:01.26 | SAKUJ0 | jelly, i was not suggesting it was, just decide34 mentioned he prefers debian over others to get rid of the bloat |
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| 16:01.48 | deicide34 | SAKUJ0: In the end, it's FAR less bloated then *buntu distros. |
| 16:01.49 | SAKUJ0 | i suppose getting rid of the bloat does work very well with debian but yeah i never saw it strive to be minimal |
| 16:02.20 | SAKUJ0 | oh yeah you compared to ubuntu i suppose :p |
| 16:02.23 | SAKUJ0 | that makes far more sense |
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| 16:02.40 | deicide34 | SAKUJ0: Yeah, i did just that :D |
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| 16:02.58 | pipl | on some packages, maintainers try to enable all configure flags (more dependencies), and it is not minimal in that sense. |
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| 16:03.48 | SAKUJ0 | it should be far more important making sure that pretty much all non-exotic hw works out of the box |
| 16:03.56 | SAKUJ0 | on a standard distro |
| 16:04.06 | SAKUJ0 | well or by installing firmware etc |
| 16:04.18 | SAKUJ0 | by out of the box i mean without recompiling sth pretty much |
| 16:04.42 | m4rshall | any ideas why 'daemon --name=thename --running' is not showing the process i start as a daemon (using daemon --name=thename /etc/the/command) ?? |
| 16:04.48 | leszek | I am trying to backport vlc-2.2 from testing to wheezy. It somehow fails depsite all the dependencies are installed. Can someone help me figuring out what is missing. Here is the config.log: https://paste.kde.org/p3wjnmqu3 |
| 16:05.09 | jelly | SAKUJ0: debian's prirorities are free software and its users... sometimes those priorities work against each other, so focus on "free software" means you don't get firmware by default. |
| 16:05.38 | SAKUJ0 | oh don't get me wrong, i love the debian philosophy and not necessarily supplying the firmware |
| 16:05.43 | SAKUJ0 | out of the box was poor wording |
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| 16:07.07 | valdyn | leszek: that does not look like a backport to me, more like you are compiling upstream |
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| 16:07.36 | valdyn | leszek: show the whole log... |
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| 16:07.58 | SAKUJ0 | how do i link leszek the dpkg bot info for backporting? |
| 16:08.13 | leszek | valdyn: that is the config.log that basically fails. There is nothing more. |
| 16:08.18 | SAKUJ0 | i remember googling didn't even help me but dpkg bot helped me do a backport within 2 minutes |
| 16:08.28 | leszek | SAKUJ0: sry don't know |
| 16:08.40 | Agiofws | Hi whats the latest version of debian? |
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| 16:08.48 | valdyn | leszek: ok, the config like fails because of reasons that happened *before* anyway |
| 16:08.51 | leszek | Agiofws: stable ? Wheezy 7.0 |
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| 16:09.30 | valdyn | configure:5441: gcc -V >&5 |
| 16:09.51 | valdyn | leszek: see ^^ gcc has no -V option, not ever |
| 16:09.53 | leszek | valdyn: before. hmm... I don't have a log for before and it does not fail before |
| 16:09.55 | Agiofws | If i have a net install for squeeze can i upgrade to wheezy 7 leszek |
| 16:10.03 | valdyn | leszek: so create it |
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| 16:10.15 | valdyn | judd: versions vlc |
| 16:10.16 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2.2.0~rc2-2; jessie: 2.2.0~rc2-2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3; jessie-multimedia: |
| 16:10.18 | judd | 1:2.2.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.0-dmo1 |
| 16:10.19 | Agiofws | Cd |
| 16:10.57 | pipl | Agiofws: read the release notes of debian wheezy on debian homepage. |
| 16:11.02 | leszek | valdyn: I downloaded the vlc sources from testing with dget'ting the .dsc file |
| 16:11.16 | leszek | valdyn: how to create it ? |
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| 16:12.14 | jelly | leszek: did you run apt-get build-dep vlc? |
| 16:12.29 | jelly | (with jessie deb-src in place) |
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| 16:13.21 | Agiofws | Pipl is there an unstable ot beta version of debian. I'm just asking so i won't have to make a wheezy net install cd pipl |
| 16:13.23 | leszek | I run it but only with wheezy deb-src in place. But anyways I ran debuild which checks the dependencies in any way. And like I said before all those dependencies were met |
| 16:14.28 | leszek | So I fear the dependencies in the control file aren't complete as it does not seem to build and I fear because of something is missing or some dependency need to be in a specific version |
| 16:14.53 | leszek | but I can't seem to figure out from this config.log |
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| 16:15.49 | pipl | Agiofws: www.debian.org/releases . |
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| 16:16.18 | Agiofws | Ok... |
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| 16:17.59 | wh0isthis | how do i check my harddrive space? |
| 16:18.19 | pipl | df |
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| 16:18.47 | pipl | man df |
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| 16:19.40 | leszek | jelly: btw. I managed to compile chromium 41 for wheezy :P |
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| 16:19.52 | leszek | sslv3 finally fixed :) |
| 16:20.27 | pipl | leszek: disable sslv3 in chromium ? |
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| 16:21.06 | leszek | pipl: yep |
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| 16:21.44 | leszek | the version in wheezy has sslv3 enabled by default and is vulnerable to poodle |
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| 16:23.06 | pipl | leszek: nice catch. |
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| 16:23.37 | jelly | !win leszek |
| 16:23.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, leszek! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:24.01 | leszek | the only thing that does not work is tls 1.2 still. I guess it needs some libraries to be updated aswell |
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| 16:24.56 | leszek | and now I want vlc 2.2 on wheezy. Hmm... let me try taking a look at the ubuntu version. Maybe it has more dependencies and also the missing listed |
| 16:25.13 | jelly | leszek: did you backport anything else huge like v8 to make it build? |
| 16:25.50 | leszek | jelly: gcc-4.8 and clang 3.5 were the huger things I can still remember |
| 16:25.51 | jelly | leszek: 2.1.5 from wheezy-backports not shiny enough for you? |
| 16:25.59 | jelly | eugh |
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| 16:27.00 | leszek | jelly: yeah 2.1.5 is fine but not shiny enough. VLC 2.2 has too many important bugfixes in my opinion. Generally handling play/pause, transformations and plugins is improved a lot in this new version |
| 16:27.06 | jelly | yeah, a whole new gcc is not likely to plop into wheezy just to make chromium build |
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| 16:28.31 | leszek | jelly: hmm... it does not need to replace any existing gcc in wheezy. Its just a matter of adding a package. As gcc-4.8 isn't used by default in jessie I think but gcc-4.9 is the default there and gcc-4.8 a seperate package there anyways |
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| 16:29.22 | leszek | and for runtime stuff you only need gcc-4.8-base and libstdc++ from gcc-4.8 |
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| 16:31.30 | pipl | last time i checked chromium needed about 8 gb ram just to be built. |
| 16:32.14 | leszek | pipl: yeah thats about true. I had it first running on a 2 gb ram system with 4 gb swap and it was not enough. The compiling itself works but the linking is the ram expensive task |
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| 16:32.41 | leszek | so replugged the drive into another 8 GB RAM machine and started the linking process there |
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| 16:33.26 | pipl | leszek: Ah I see. The evil linker. |
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| 16:37.59 | leszek | ok now I see that vlc has the normal configure output like checking for .... : true and so on. Sadly this isn't logged in the config.log . Lets log it with tee and see whats missing |
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| 16:38.59 | jelly | leszek: replacing libstdc++6 is the problematic part that is not likely to happen |
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| 16:39.50 | jelly | I wonder how google chrome is linked |
| 16:40.33 | leszek | jelly: ah ok. I guess chrome ships its own libstdc++6 |
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| 16:41.17 | jelly | nope, /opt/google/chrome/chrome links against wheezy's libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xf0d03000) |
| 16:41.22 | jelly | weird |
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| 16:42.50 | leszek | ah vlc is missing smbclient. Though it is installed. Maybe it needs version 4.1 from wheezy-backports instead of 3.x |
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| 16:47.41 | jhutchins | ,v smbclient |
| 16:47.42 | judd | Package: smbclient on i386 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze12; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2 |
| 16:47.47 | pipl | leszek: I guess you have to regenerate the configure script for it to detect the wheezy versions of dependencies ? |
| 16:48.38 | crised | Simple-CDD lets you create customized debianinstaller |
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| 16:50.03 | leszek | nope pipl it explicetly asked for smbclient 4.x |
| 16:50.13 | leszek | and also newe vdpau version |
| 16:50.26 | leszek | its building now after I compiled vdpau from experimental |
| 16:50.37 | leszek | and installed smbclient 4.x from wheezy-backports |
| 16:50.45 | crised | Isn't out there already customized image with serial console ready? |
| 16:50.49 | leszek | the control file needs to be updated to include that version dependencies |
| 16:51.19 | jelly | leszek: I was there about 6 months ago, gave up and went jessie |
| 16:51.20 | leszek | and btw. I updated the sources to 2.2.0 final |
| 16:52.34 | leszek | jelly: yeah you can go that route. I am maintaining a debian wheezy based distro rolling release (stable base and rolling user space apps basically) and need to compile that packages as users (yeah way smaller userbase than debian but doesn't matter) request them |
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| 16:54.26 | nmschulte | fdisk shows that my disk is formatted with 512B sectors, but my disk has i/o size of 4096. |
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| 16:54.36 | nmschulte | am I experiencing a performance hit becuase of this setup? |
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| 16:55.01 | littlebit | hi people, I wanted to know if someone can tell me what usb-wlan stick can be recommended creating a wlan-to-ethernet bridge. |
| 16:55.19 | aphorise | can I set certian "export" globally for all users? |
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| 16:55.37 | jelly | nmschulte: how do you see that "disk is formatted with 512B sectors"? |
| 16:55.48 | d3lphi | hey there. Which archive tool do you guys suggest which has a nice guy and can add a context integration when I right-click on a file? The default archive tool in Debian cannot extract lots of .rar files I have. I had to use the command line tool "unrar e filename.rar" to get this solved. But I would like to have a GUI therefore and not run a console command each time I want to extract a compressed file. |
| 16:55.59 | d3lphi | s/guy/gui |
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| 16:56.32 | nmschulte | jelly: fdisk lists it |
| 16:56.40 | verri | d3lphi: you probably want to use "unrar x filename" though |
| 16:57.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell aphorise about environment |
| 16:57.58 | nmschulte | sector size: (logical/physical) 512/4096 -- i/o size: (minimum/optimal) 4096/4096 |
| 16:58.39 | jelly | nmschulte: I'm not sure you're interpreting the output correctly. The logical size isn't really important, and it's predefined in the device firmware |
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| 16:58.47 | d3lphi | verri: as I explained, I am looking for an archive tool which works in X and on my desktop environment (Cinnamon at the moment). I don't want to run "unrar e ..." shell commands each time I want to decompress files. And the tool should be capable of processing various formats, like .7z, .zip, and so on ... |
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| 16:59.11 | jelly | nmschulte: the only thing you need to worry about is that partitions start at 4096B-aligned positions |
| 16:59.27 | jelly | nmschulte: which is what tools in debian 7 do correctly by default |
| 16:59.42 | d3lphi | I want to right-click on the compressed archive from my file manager and choose in context menu "Uncompress here..." or "Uncompress in folder xyz..." and so on. |
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| 17:04.42 | pipl | d3lphi: a quick googling comes up with natilus-actions. I haven't tried that yet. But the idea is to create an item in the menu with a shell command "unrar x ..." . |
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| 17:08.29 | deicide34 | Can i install Minitube to Wheezy? |
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| 17:08.36 | crised | If the latest stable kernel is 3.19.1 how Wheezy has 3.2? |
| 17:10.00 | pipl | deicide34: !dpkg minitube |
| 17:10.20 | d3lphi | anyone? |
| 17:10.38 | deicide34 | crised: It's the most stable kernel that supports Debian 7 packages |
| 17:11.25 | crised | deicide34: should I be afraid by the "most stable" |
| 17:11.51 | crised | Why don't they use 3.19? Which debian version uses the really stable 3.19 kernel? |
| 17:11.56 | Cpuroast | crised: because debian uses 1 single kernel branch per version |
| 17:12.02 | Cpuroast | crised: it's how it's always worked |
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| 17:12.23 | Cpuroast | crised: Debian will use 3.16 |
| 17:12.33 | crised | Cpuroast: the new one? |
| 17:12.37 | Cpuroast | Debian 8 |
| 17:12.38 | Cpuroast | yes |
| 17:12.41 | deicide34 | crised: No, you should be encouraged by that :) |
| 17:13.00 | crised | Should I worry about uptime or something like that? |
| 17:13.09 | crised | What does it mean that the kernel is not stable? |
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| 17:14.19 | deicide34 | crised: It simply mean that it's the most tested version of the kernel to run on Wheezy |
| 17:14.27 | deicide34 | means* |
| 17:15.02 | Cpuroast | crised: Squeeze uses 2.6.32, Wheezy uses 3.2, Jessie uses 3.16 |
| 17:15.06 | Cpuroast | it's simply how it works |
| 17:15.13 | crised | Cpuroast: ok |
| 17:15.49 | Cpuroast | they want to maintain 1 kernel branch |
| 17:15.54 | Cpuroast | during the life of a Debian version |
| 17:16.27 | Cpuroast | Debian 8 will be released sometime this year |
| 17:16.35 | Cpuroast | so you'll get 3.16 |
| 17:16.35 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 17:16.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 17:16.40 | Cpuroast | and better hardware support |
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| 17:16.45 | jelly | crised: new kernel releases introduce new features and new bugs. A distro release simply cannot allow new bugs to happen to their users, so they track a single version of kernel during the whole life of a release |
| 17:16.57 | crised | jelly ok |
| 17:17.02 | crised | thank guys |
| 17:17.09 | jhutchins | crised: Remember that the debian kernel is not the same as the unpatched kernel.org kernel of the same version number. |
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| 17:17.21 | deicide34 | pipl: Thank you for the answer regarding minitube |
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| 17:19.21 | crised | jhutchins: that makes a whole lot of sense |
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| 17:23.32 | crised | simplecdd will build a cd iso image based on the pakages on the actual host machine? else will it build just a minimal installation? |
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| 17:32.15 | G66k | hello everyone |
| 17:32.27 | G66k | im new user to debain wheezy |
| 17:32.38 | G66k | trying to set ulimit -c nolimit |
| 17:32.46 | G66k | giving me this bash: ulimit: -C: invalid option |
| 17:32.46 | G66k | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.50 | G66k | any idea ? |
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| 17:33.43 | centrx | G66k, It's case-sensitive |
| 17:34.00 | G66k | same error |
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| 17:34.08 | G66k | lowcase or uppercase doesnt function |
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| 17:34.49 | centrx | when I do ulimit -c nolimit I get bash: ulimit: nolimit: invalid number |
| 17:34.55 | deicide34 | G66k: Have you gone into root privileges, before trying that command? Maybe you need that |
| 17:35.00 | pipl | ulimit is a bash built-in command. |
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| 17:36.16 | pipl | not a bash option |
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| 17:36.42 | G66k | deicide34, yes im runing command as root |
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| 17:39.14 | jelly | centrx: think it's ulimit -c none |
| 17:39.56 | G66k | same problem here i just solve it |
| 17:40.16 | G66k | centrx, ulimit -c unlimited |
| 17:40.21 | jelly | centrx: nope, sorry, ulimit -c unlimited |
| 17:40.25 | jelly | ha |
| 17:40.57 | G66k | ulimit -c nolimit work on ubuntu |
| 17:41.04 | G66k | debian seems to be different |
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| 17:41.33 | thomas_d | what's the best working/up-to-date NX server solution for debian? |
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| 17:42.12 | thomas_d | I'm looking at this freenx-server currently, and I'm having a hard time finding working sources... found some website where it seems the freenx team have uploaded packages and everything is like 4 years old |
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| 17:43.11 | shentino | Question: When I log in on a vt, how come /dev/vcsa# isn't changed along with the tty device? |
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| 17:44.22 | jhutchins | ,v freenx |
| 17:44.23 | judd | No package named 'freenx' was found in i386. |
| 17:44.50 | jhutchins | thomas_d: Does it have to be nx specific or are you looking for any desktop sharing system? |
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| 17:45.19 | thomas_d | well I tried X11 over SSH which worked fine over LAN |
| 17:45.31 | thomas_d | but I'm looking for an across-WAN solution really (from workplace to home) |
| 17:46.03 | thomas_d | I'm happy to try VNC as well... I just read from my googles that NX was the best? |
| 17:46.18 | thomas_d | in this situation (across WAN) |
| 17:46.21 | jhutchins | !vnc |
| 17:46.21 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
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| 17:46.25 | jelly | thomas_d: I use x11vnc (ssh tunneled) |
| 17:46.38 | jhutchins | !rdp |
| 17:46.38 | dpkg | The proprietary Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) is used to connect to systems running Microsoft Remote Desktop Services (formerly Terminal Services), providing features similar to <VNC>. RDP clients packaged for Debian include <freerdp>, <rdesktop>, <remmina> and <tsclient>. For a RDP server, ask me about <xrdp>. |
| 17:46.46 | jelly | nx is supposedly very nice but not really open |
| 17:47.44 | jhutchins | thomas_d: http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php |
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| 17:48.13 | pipl | just for daily tasks, web-browsing, file management, ... , is vnc really slower than rdp ? |
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| 17:48.39 | jelly | pipl: yes, vnc is horrible |
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| 17:49.14 | valdyn | of course why would anyone want to do web browsing over wan |
| 17:49.16 | jelly | I have no idea how xrdp fares, but rdp to windows machines is a lot less painful |
| 17:49.27 | jhutchins | pipl: I don't think there's a significant difference between the two. |
| 17:50.14 | crised | Trying to build an image with simple-cdd, but I get: ERROR: missing required packages from profile apu64: ntp firmware-realtek firmware-brcm80211 firmware-atheros firmware-ralink wireless-tools wpasupplicant iw hdparm smartmontools |
| 17:51.03 | jelly | pipl: for me, vnc is usable only with significant bandwidth available and not many households have 2+ Mbps upload in these parts |
| 17:51.13 | crised | You need a Debian mirror with the doc directory! |
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| 17:51.44 | valdyn | crised: debian mirrors dont have a doc directory |
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| 17:52.10 | pipl | in tersm of rdp, having graphics operations intergrated into the kernel is at least one bright aspect of wind*ws. |
| 17:52.14 | crised | valdyn: https://gist.github.com/crised/8e45319e434f59743249 |
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| 17:52.46 | basic6_ | configuring exim as send-only mta, why am i getting "sender address rejected" / "no route to host" ? |
| 17:53.52 | valdyn | crised: youre right, ftp.debian.org has that directory. |
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| 17:54.53 | valdyn | basic6_: who is the sender? |
| 17:55.05 | thomas_d | thanks jhutchins and jelly - just installing xrdp now, had no idea linux boxes could be RDP session hosts, that's dope!! |
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| 17:57.16 | pipl | jelly: 2+mbps upload is a extravagance for a civilian ADSL... |
| 17:57.34 | valdyn | crised: youre not using a mirror, youre using cdrom as package source |
| 17:57.50 | pipl | an* |
| 17:57.50 | jelly | pipl: in my country, yes |
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| 17:58.26 | crised | valdyn: build-simple-cdd --conf profiles/apu64.conf --dist wheezy --force-root |
| 17:59.17 | basic6_ | valdyn: i am the sender, i want my local system to be able to send (not receive) mails |
| 17:59.18 | thomas_d | bloody hell it works... great :) |
| 17:59.55 | valdyn | basic6_: the actual sender address, not the person |
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| 18:02.20 | valdyn | basic6_: does 'echo "sometext" | mails -s "subject" root@localhost' send mail successfully? |
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| 18:03.12 | valdyn | basic6_: your error cant be debugged without you telling us which sender is actually rejected. Of course exim does not relay random senders. |
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| 18:04.22 | folivora | Hi, I am trying to mount my ext4 disk, but it doest not mount it. Seems that I could be hitting into this "BUG": https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2015/02/msg00074.html |
| 18:04.33 | folivora | How I can load ext4 module ? |
| 18:04.43 | valdyn | folivora: tell us the actual error |
| 18:04.58 | folivora | valdyn: [Sat Mar 14 20:00:45 2015] ext4: Unknown symbol pagecache_get_page_fixed (err 0) |
| 18:05.05 | valdyn | folivora: reboot |
| 18:05.22 | basic6_ | valdyn: sorry about the delay... i'm behind a nat router with a dynamic ipv4 address, so i have set up exim to use an fqdn myhost.something.com as 'mail name', which points to my current ip |
| 18:05.24 | folivora | "Never under estimate the power of reboot? |
| 18:05.27 | folivora | valdyn: how come ? |
| 18:05.38 | jelly | folivora: never forget to reboot after upgrading the kernel package |
| 18:05.40 | basic6_ | valdyn: interestingly when i mail to root@localhost i get the following error |
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| 18:06.07 | folivora | jelly: how you can see the error from that msg? :) |
| 18:06.22 | basic6_ | valdyn: <date> 1YWqOs-0000dB-29 == user@myhost.something.com <root@localhost> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 18:06.27 | jelly | folivora: it's an educated guess |
| 18:07.03 | valdyn | folivora: your error is that the module contains a symbol (variable or function call) that does not exist. Thats not possible unless the module does not match your kernel. |
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| 18:07.50 | valdyn | basic6_: thats not an error, you can force delivery |
| 18:08.03 | valdyn | basic6_: google "exim cheat sheet" |
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| 18:08.09 | basic6_ | valdyn: you mean exim -q ? |
| 18:08.18 | valdyn | basic6_: probably yes |
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| 18:12.19 | kWO901 | whats the best way to run iTunes on debian? |
| 18:12.46 | leszek | kWO901: wine I guess |
| 18:13.01 | leszek | not the best but the only way if you don't want to run it in a vm |
| 18:13.15 | kWO901 | leszek: ok |
| 18:13.18 | valdyn | basic6_: so, does myhost.something.com resolve? |
| 18:13.38 | valdyn | basic6_: did you set it to be a local domain? how? whats the config? |
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| 18:15.13 | basic6_ | valdyn: i get a lot of these R=dnslookup... retry time not reached warnings in my log. so i ran exim -q and i also forced delivery of the test mail to root but the q does not appear to shrink. it's still full of mails (mostly test mails). |
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| 18:15.40 | basic6_ | valdyn: many mails in the q, according to mailq, are going to my send-only fqdn myhost.something.com which wouldnt work |
| 18:16.17 | basic6_ | valdyn: i did not send any test mails to that address, its not supposed to receive any mails |
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| 18:16.36 | valdyn | basic6_: yes, of course, see the cheat sheet about queue management |
| 18:16.44 | valdyn | basic6_: does the name resolve? |
| 18:16.54 | jelly | basic6_: and yet root@localhost is sending a number of them. Cron jobs? /etc/aliases? |
| 18:17.10 | valdyn | basic6_: how and where did you set it to be a "mail name" as you said? Show us the relevant config files. |
| 18:17.13 | basic6_ | valdyn: i the name does resolve, it has an A record. |
| 18:17.35 | jelly | basic6_: does it also have an MX record? |
| 18:17.47 | jelly | MX takes precedence if existing |
| 18:17.56 | basic6_ | valdyn: i am checking the cheat sheet and i i'll check a few of these messages. there are cron mails, but those go to other email addresses, not myhost.something.com |
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| 18:19.03 | valdyn | exim certainly cannot resolve it |
| 18:19.06 | basic6_ | valdyn: i did dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and right after choosing "internet site", i entered myhost.something.com in the field. i actually don't know off the top of my head in which config that goes, i tried grepping that fqdn in /etc/exim but found nothing |
| 18:19.45 | valdyn | basic6_: ok, show us your /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 18:19.48 | basic6_ | jelly: no, it does not have an mx record. i don't want to receive mails though, just send. do i still need an mx record for that? |
| 18:20.19 | valdyn | basic6_: exim just needs to know the sender, that does not necessarily need a dns record for the sender. |
| 18:20.28 | valdyn | basic6_: and no mx record either |
| 18:20.56 | jelly | basic6_: no, but you'd do well to use a valid address as envelope sender. root@localhost is not a valid address for mails you'd send outside |
| 18:21.02 | valdyn | basic6_: but your sender is not accepted as local. |
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| 18:22.21 | valdyn | basic6_: i would blindly guess that you can set dc_relay_domains='mayhost.something.com' and run update-exim4.conf and restart exim4 |
| 18:22.23 | basic6_ | well root@localhost should not be used as sender anyway, i thought user@myhost.something.com would be used, where user is my user name and that fqdn points to my current ip |
| 18:22.27 | valdyn | basic6_: but thats just a guess |
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| 18:23.00 | jelly | basic6_: where will bounces go if "myhost.something.com" cannot receive mail? |
| 18:23.37 | basic6_ | valdyn: this is the config: http://paste.debian.net/161256/ |
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| 18:24.59 | valdyn | basic6_: jellys point is that this is a fucked up mail setup if no one will recieve the bounces |
| 18:25.13 | valdyn | basic6_: and it wont work reliably anyway in that case |
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| 18:26.02 | basic6_ | jelly: to be honest, i havent thought about that. at this point, myhost.something.com cannot receive anything, it's not even reacable on port 25. i'd like to avoid enabling port 25, i want it to act like a noreply address. can i configure it to send bounces to one of my other email addresses? |
| 18:26.33 | jelly | basic6_: just use a correct (working) envelope sender |
| 18:26.33 | valdyn | basic6_: you cann add your sending "myhost.something.com" to dc_other_hostnames and run update-exim4.conf and restart exim4 |
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| 18:28.16 | basic6_ | jelly: so that means either i enable port 25 in my firewall and my my local (send-only) exim public or i configure one of my other addresses (reachable) as dc_other_hostnames in my exim config, as valdyn is suggesting? |
| 18:28.19 | valdyn | basic6_: is that p1 your placeholder is that realy there? |
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| 18:28.59 | pizearke | hi |
| 18:30.11 | jelly | basic6_: well, I don't know anything about exim config. You can usually set envelope sender independently of your MTA. |
| 18:30.43 | jelly | most sane MTAs have an -f option to /usr/sbin/sendmail for that |
| 18:31.18 | basic6_ | valdyn: it's there and it's the machine's host name. and i've just tried your suggestion, i've appended the myhost.something.com after the "p1" (with semicolon), restarted exim and suddenly mailq was flushed and is now empty. still no mail but maybe it takes some time |
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| 18:31.58 | pizearke | I have a machine running raspian |
| 18:32.13 | pizearke | I don't have access to internet but I have a flash drive and a usb port |
| 18:32.14 | valdyn | basic6_: see /var/spool/mail/ |
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| 18:33.26 | pizearke | I think I have an idea of how to install new applications, but I'm not sure exactly how to do it |
| 18:33.41 | basic6_ | valdyn: ok now we're getting somewhere. a test mail to one of my addresses has now arrived. mails to another address are not going through, the error is sender rejected...no route to host |
| 18:33.48 | valdyn | pizearke: why cant you connect things thing to the network? |
| 18:34.00 | pizearke | Because I'm broke and I don't have a wifi adapter |
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| 18:34.20 | valdyn | basic6_: so same error? which sender is rejected? |
| 18:34.25 | W3ird_N3rd | just trying out Jessie. In Ubuntu, there's a "crypt the homedir" checkbox. Am I correct there's no such thing in Debian? (I can do it manually, but would prefer the checkbox) |
| 18:34.30 | basic6_ | valdyn: and based on the configuration from those externla mail addresses, the one that works has a setting deny unverified sender enabled. so i guess i have to be reachable to send to that address? |
| 18:34.45 | pizearke | Idk where to download packages on the regular internet and idk how to use apt-get to install packages that are on the flash-drive |
| 18:34.47 | W3ird_N3rd | in the installation setup, I mean |
| 18:34.54 | jelly | !tell pizearke about apt-zip |
| 18:34.56 | valdyn | basic6_: oh, *remote* is denying? |
| 18:35.04 | jelly | pizearke: oh, and please use #raspbian for support of that OS |
| 18:35.37 | pizearke | oh thank you |
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| 18:35.45 | basic6_ | valdyn: i believe now (probably unlike before) one remote address is denying, that's how i understand this error. |
| 18:35.47 | pizearke | sorry about the wrong room amigos |
| 18:35.53 | valdyn | basic6_: please show the log |
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| 18:36.30 | sydney_untangle | W3ird_N3rd: Debian is not like ubuntu. Debian is focused on being able to do anything, and ubuntu is on ease. ;) |
| 18:37.22 | W3ird_N3rd | sydney_untangle, well aware of that. Both have their pros and cons. Still, I wasn't sure if Ubuntu had "invented" that checkbox, or if that was originally debian |
| 18:37.36 | W3ird_N3rd | in that case, it looks like Ubuntu invented that bit |
| 18:37.41 | valdyn | basic6_: in general, thanks to the spam problem may destinations are picky in various ways. Your setup wont ever work with those. |
| 18:37.43 | sydney_untangle | Ubuntu "invented" it |
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| 18:39.20 | W3ird_N3rd | I personally think it's feature that should be available and enabled by default, to prevent people with physical access from peeking into personal files |
| 18:39.42 | W3ird_N3rd | so it would have made sense to me if debian would offer it in the setup as well, but I'll just configure something manually |
| 18:40.04 | sydney_untangle | W3ird_N3rd: Not many people know how to do that... |
| 18:40.10 | sydney_untangle | I dont have encryption. |
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| 18:40.40 | basic6_ | valdyn: this is the error: http://paste.debian.net/161258/ the resolved ip of myhost.something.com (i've removed it) is correct (my current ip) |
| 18:40.41 | sydney_untangle | If its a workplace, that would make sense. |
| 18:41.02 | W3ird_N3rd | sydney_untangle, that's why that checkbox is, imho, something that should be mandatory. In Ubuntu, it encrypts the homedir with the user password and automatically decrypts on login |
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| 18:41.12 | W3ird_N3rd | so virtually no hassle |
| 18:41.36 | jelly | W3ird_N3rd: I think there's an option for FDE in the installer, but not /home - only |
| 18:41.37 | valdyn | basic6_: thats a nice error, remote tries to contact your mail server and denies because it cannot |
| 18:41.47 | W3ird_N3rd | also, it protects mail/password/documents from thieves who just steal the computer |
| 18:41.51 | jelly | W3ird_N3rd: ecryptfs is a bit weird. |
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| 18:41.54 | valdyn | basic6_: thats one way to filter spam :) |
| 18:41.58 | basic6_ | valdyn: would it be correct to say the issue is that my sending mta/host does not accept emails from the internet? |
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| 18:42.47 | valdyn | basic6_: not exactly, the error is "no route to host", so remote cannot even find your host after resolving the ip |
| 18:42.54 | W3ird_N3rd | jelly, FDE is indeed possible from the installer. Downsides are having to enter the passphrase *and* login and worse performance (because sytem files are also crypted) |
| 18:42.57 | valdyn | basic6_: ( or cannot resolve the ip) |
| 18:43.05 | basic6_ | valdyn: although i may be able to disable this "spam filter" in my own addresses (other hosters). like i said, one other address works already. but it seems i may not be able to send to other destinations? |
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| 18:43.25 | valdyn | basic6_: right |
| 18:43.42 | valdyn | basic6_: spam filtering is not standardised really, theres various methods. |
| 18:43.53 | jelly | W3ird_N3rd: you won't notice the performance hit unless you both have an SSD and do not have AES-NI support in the cpu |
| 18:44.01 | valdyn | basic6_: or there are many reasons why different hosts might reject your mail |
| 18:44.03 | basic6_ | valdyn: i don't understand wjhy the remote cannot find my host, the myhost.something.com it uses has a correct A record which i can confirm it works from other lcoations, just port 25 is not reacable |
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| 18:44.43 | valdyn | basic6_: the error message may be misleading, thats not a problem |
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| 18:45.03 | W3ird_N3rd | jelly, all my systems have SSDs and none have AES-NI :-( |
| 18:45.29 | jelly | you have chosen... poorly :-) |
| 18:45.42 | basic6_ | valdyn: also, i've just tried to send an email to a gmail address. the error is worded differently, but it says the message is "likely unsolicited mail" |
| 18:45.59 | valdyn | basic6_: right, thats why I told you |
| 18:46.52 | valdyn | basic6_: feel free to dilver to something@valdyn.org, you'll get the pretty default spamassassin response |
| 18:47.15 | basic6_ | valdyn: ok so does it make sense if i enable port 25 in my firewall and put my local exim in the internet, so that other recipients wont reject my mail? or is this the wrong approach |
| 18:47.30 | valdyn | basic6_: how old is your domain name? |
| 18:47.49 | valdyn | basic6_: i mean, how long since it was ever registered? |
| 18:47.54 | valdyn | basic6_: years? days? |
| 18:48.13 | valdyn | basic6_: because thats another reason to deny |
| 18:48.22 | W3ird_N3rd | jelly, possibly.. on mobile, Intel only does AES-NI on i5 and up |
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| 18:48.32 | basic6_ | valdyn: myhost.soomething.com, the sending fqdn? probably months. i've used dyndns before that. why? |
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| 18:48.47 | valdyn | basic6_: you need more than 1 mx server, a not totally new domain, ip adresses that are not dialup and not blacklisted. |
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| 18:49.34 | valdyn | basic6_: and of course the mx servers need to be reachable (port 25) |
| 18:49.36 | basic6_ | valdyn: assuming nothing is blacklisted (i hope not, not checked). do i need to set an mx record for myhost.something.com? or is enableing port 25 sufficient? |
| 18:49.42 | basic6_ | ok so both |
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| 18:49.45 | jelly | W3ird_N3rd: not really, they've changed that position since. http://ark.intel.com/products/75107/Intel-Core-i3-4010U-Processor-3M-Cache-1_70-GHz?q=i3-4010U |
| 18:50.12 | W3ird_N3rd | jelly, ah, good.. won't help my sandy bridge of course :P |
| 18:50.36 | basic6_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.12 | valdyn | basic6_: yes, thats true |
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| 18:52.25 | tikifreek | how do i fix this: error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:52.27 | jelly | basic6_: sadly, just having a deliverable envelope sender domain is not nearly enough for gmail to think you're not a spammer |
| 18:52.37 | jelly | tikifreek: which command is saying that |
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| 18:54.05 | tikifreek | jelly: im trying to install cisco's anyconnect client |
| 18:54.26 | valdyn | !tell tikifreek -about search |
| 18:54.37 | jelly | tikifreek: does openconnect not work for you? |
| 18:54.48 | tikifreek | jelly: never heard of it |
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| 18:55.01 | jelly | judd: info openconnect |
| 18:55.02 | judd | Package openconnect (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: Open client for Cisco AnyConnect VPN. Version: 3.20-4; Size: 191.8k; Installed: 1070k; Homepage: http://www.infradead.org/openconnect/ |
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| 18:55.12 | tikifreek | YES |
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| 18:55.53 | valdyn | basic6_: plenty legitimate businesses get tagged as spam by gmail - that might show that their admins are stupid, but I think it shows that setting up mail properly is not that easy. |
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| 18:56.35 | jelly | tikifreek: "apt-cache search openconnect" shows also some other stuff (NetworkManager integration bits, for example) |
| 18:57.03 | basic6_ | valdyn: / jelly ok i'll see if i can configure an mx record with myhost.something.com. it's a dynamic dns service, so if they don't support it, i'd need to find anothe rdynamic dns service. i'm a bit confused though, because a few months ago, with an older computer, i was able to send mails to the address that now rejects the unverified sender., but that was a different dyndns provider and since i don't have that config anymore ,that doesn't |
| 18:57.04 | basic6_ | tell us anything |
| 18:58.02 | valdyn | basic6_: send your mail to someone with spamassassin |
| 18:58.14 | valdyn | basic6_: he can show you the score |
| 18:58.38 | valdyn | basic6_: that probably cant fix gmail, but its a popular filter anyway |
| 18:58.54 | jelly | basic6_: wait, you don't have a static ip? |
| 18:58.59 | teraflops | uhm that silly filters |
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| 18:59.54 | jelly | basic6_: best forget about sending mail directly then. Use your provider's submission/smtp service. |
| 19:00.09 | basic6_ | valdyn: just to be clear, gmail is one address that is rejected (with the "unsolicited" message) but on another hoster, one address (the one that denies "unverified senders") it does not work, a second address on that host does work as recipient (not denying unverified) and that hoster is not gmail |
| 19:00.24 | basic6_ | jelly: correct, i dont have a static ip |
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| 19:00.45 | basic6_ | jelly: why would this be a problem? myhost.something.com always points to my current ip |
| 19:00.49 | teraflops | basic6_: i didnt heard of anu dynamip ip service thst provides rdns |
| 19:00.52 | teraflops | any* |
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| 19:01.19 | valdyn | basic6_: yea, thats ok, doesnt really matter who it is that rejects you. There's a number of reasons why anyone would reject you. You would need to fix all of those. |
| 19:01.50 | jelly | basic6_: the majority of spam comes from dynamically assigned addresses (dsl, cable, mobile, dialup users) |
| 19:02.08 | valdyn | teraflops: thats because the ip owner does the reverse lookup, not a random 3rd party |
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| 19:02.48 | basic6_ | valdyn: well, thinking about it, it does make sense that receiving mail hosts reject mails from sender addresses that could not be reached on port 25, |
| 19:03.06 | teraflops | valdyn: yep, i meant that his emails will be rejected because the rdne will not resolve properly |
| 19:03.18 | valdyn | teraflops: yea |
| 19:03.19 | cdbob | Gah I hate having to ask this, but I'm setting up my first debian dedicated server with an extremely limited knowledge of linux/debian. I've looked around for guides, would anyone have an recommendations on the best places for concise guides on setting up a web server/ ftp server? |
| 19:03.20 | teraflops | rdns* |
| 19:03.41 | valdyn | !tell cdbob -about lamp |
| 19:03.54 | valdyn | cdbob: ftp is obsolete. |
| 19:04.23 | basic6_ | ... yeah i don't have a reverse dns ptr entry either. again, it's a simple dyndns provider that offers me to assign an A record. i have not yet found an option to set an mx record, but still looking |
| 19:04.26 | jelly | cdbob: use the sftp service (comes with ssh service by default) instead. |
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| 19:04.39 | jelly | basic6_: yeah... forget about sending directly. |
| 19:05.11 | cdbob | Thanks |
| 19:05.17 | basic6_ | jelly: well at least sending to any random address with my current firewall config, i guess. as sending to one specific other address already works, thanks to valdyn |
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| 19:05.52 | crised_ | how to know if 3g modem sierra mc8780 is compatible with debian? |
| 19:05.56 | jelly | basic6_: this will not be reliable at all, even if you make it work. |
| 19:06.22 | valdyn | crised_: try wicd |
| 19:06.36 | teraflops | basic6_: well your ip will be blacklisted as soon as you send an email to i.e live.com |
| 19:06.55 | basic6_ | jelly: so even if that one recipient address works now, i should ask my isp for a static ip because emails might be rejected otherwise? |
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| 19:07.34 | jelly | basic6_: set up your MTA (exim) to send over your provider's mail infrastructure, if it exists, or send over gmail's authenticated service, or set up your own mail server with a static IP, matching A and PTR, and all the other stuff |
| 19:07.41 | basic6_ | teraflops: live.com will add my current ip to its local blacklist? because myhost.something.com changed? |
| 19:07.45 | valdyn | basic6_: static ip, more than 1 mx, not brandnew domain name, thats (among other things) the absolute minimum, you cannot succeed without that |
| 19:07.57 | crised_ | valdyn: nope... |
| 19:08.04 | valdyn | crised_: nope what? |
| 19:09.20 | jelly | basic6_: static ip is basically a required, but not the only, component needed to send mail directly. |
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| 19:10.53 | valdyn | crised_: i should have said "wvdail" |
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| 19:10.57 | valdyn | crised_: yes it works |
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| 19:11.23 | teraflops | valdyn: uhm (for my personal email server ) I have one mx and i can send email instantly after the (brand new) domain name MX record is propagated |
| 19:11.23 | W3ird_N3rd | jelly, this just came to my mind, although it doesn't apply to me.. but FDE doesn't protect you from other system users. So the right way to handle it is imho still to crypt the homedir |
| 19:11.26 | valdyn | crised_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/T4220 <- instructions |
| 19:11.44 | valdyn | teraflops: so? |
| 19:11.53 | jelly | basic6_: then you want FcrDNS, and probably DKIM, and SPF, and DMARC, and if you send to gmail read http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81126, and... :-) |
| 19:11.59 | W3ird_N3rd | but I'm sure there's already a discussion about it going on somewhere |
| 19:11.59 | teraflops | so the minimun you said ... |
| 19:12.12 | valdyn | teraflops: these things get some score in default spamassassin, its bound to trigger spam on *some* destinations |
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| 19:12.25 | jelly | W3ird_N3rd: heh, what other users on your laptop? |
| 19:12.30 | valdyn | teraflops: of course you may be able to use this just fine for your use case. |
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| 19:12.57 | W3ird_N3rd | jelly, it indeed doesn't apply to me right now, but I am considering to create a user account for someone on my server |
| 19:13.00 | teraflops | valdyn: interesting |
| 19:13.21 | valdyn | teraflops: thats the spam problem - you never know what to filter and you never know what will be flagged as spam really |
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| 19:13.38 | valdyn | teraflops: which is why i said that gmail tags plenty good and legitimate mail as spam. |
| 19:14.44 | teraflops | valdyn: not only gmail, and yes, that spam thingy has become a nightmare |
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| 19:19.23 | sotto | I'm trying to completely remove and reinstall iceweasel, but somehow, after doing: dpkg -r iceweasel, apt-get remove iceweasel, apt-get –purge remove iceweasel, the form search history and sites frequently visited page (on the new tab) shows up again after re-installation. I've also removed the .mozilla folder; however that didn't work either. Is this a virus? |
| 19:19.56 | valdyn | sotto: you have more than 1 firefox / iceweasel config location at ~/ |
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| 19:20.37 | valdyn | sotto: try ~/.firefox |
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| 19:21.03 | sotto | valdyn: where? Also, it's not firefox it's iceweasel |
| 19:21.14 | valdyn | sotto: where? |
| 19:21.14 | jelly | basic6_: basically, running your own mail server is a pain. Offload that pain to someone else, send over your ISP or gmail and configure exim to act as a normal SMTP AUTH client. https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 19:21.32 | valdyn | sotto: i know that its iceweasel |
| 19:21.33 | sotto | valdyn: where are the other icewasel configs in ~/? |
| 19:21.38 | valdyn | sotto: ~/.firefox |
| 19:21.55 | sotto | No such file or directory |
| 19:23.06 | sotto | I also removed /usr/bin/firefox |
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| 19:23.24 | valdyn | sotto: you dont need to mess with any package |
| 19:23.33 | valdyn | sotto: this is purely about your config in ~/ |
| 19:23.47 | jelly | sotto: also ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 19:24.20 | jelly | but you already dealt with it |
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| 19:24.38 | basic6_ | jelly: i know, if i set my exim up to connect (and authenticate) to my other mail hoster as authenticated relay, it would work with all recipient addresses. but from that exim mta, i probably only want to send mails to a small number of addresses. maybe i can get some of them to work by changing my firewall rules and getting a static ip |
| 19:24.44 | sotto | valdyn: I don't understand what you meanby config in ~/? There shouldn't be anything left after autoremove, dpkg -r, purge. I've even manually deleted the .mozilla folder jelly is talking about. |
| 19:24.56 | valdyn | sotto: in iceweasel, go to "about:config", in the "Search:" enter "app-profile" |
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| 19:25.34 | valdyn | sotto: ~/ is your $HOME, is your home directory |
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| 19:26.28 | valdyn | sotto: dpkg does not touch your $HOME, so dont remove or install iceweasel, because your issue is not affected by purge |
| 19:27.24 | jelly | basic6_: eh, it's your funeral. I'm not going to try convincing you that's a bad idea any further, good luck |
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| 19:28.32 | sotto | valdyn: I don't know what I just did, but when you told me to type "about:config" I didn't have iceweasel installed at the time, so I reinstalled it fresh, but this time everytime seems to be fresh. My search and form are gone and my "most visited" pages on the new tab are also gone. I appreciate your help though. |
| 19:28.57 | valdyn | sotto: ok then |
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| 19:29.21 | valdyn | sotto: you can however still go there and see where your profile is stored this time |
| 19:29.35 | basic6_ | jelly: no worries, i got your point, thanks for your help. if it doesn't work, i'll just use my other mail hoster as relay. |
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| 19:30.34 | sotto | valdyn: "app-profile" in search gives me no results |
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| 19:32.34 | valdyn | sotto: interesting, maybe no profile stored then, or i certainly dont know where its stored |
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| 19:33.29 | Bremsstrahlung | So I was minding my own business, and then I noticed that on debian wheezy, 7.8, my browser of choice, rekonq, disappeared. o.0 |
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| 19:33.34 | sotto | valdyn: It's fine, thanks for the help |
| 19:33.46 | Bremsstrahlung | This is what I get as output when I tried to apt-get install it: |
| 19:33.47 | Bremsstrahlung | http://paste.debian.net/161263/ |
| 19:33.54 | Bremsstrahlung | Anyone know what's going on? |
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| 19:35.20 | valdyn | judd: versions reconq |
| 19:35.21 | judd | No package named 'reconq' was found in i386. |
| 19:35.29 | valdyn | judd: versions rekonq |
| 19:35.31 | judd | Package: rekonq on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.0-2; wheezy: 0.9.2-1 |
| 19:35.48 | trampel | Bremsstrahlung: i'd try: apt-get -f ...but don't approve any action that seems 'dramatic' |
| 19:35.58 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: show your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:36.05 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Will do. Hold up. |
| 19:36.08 | Bremsstrahlung | trampel: Hm. |
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| 19:36.48 | jelly | judd: bug rm rekonq |
| 19:36.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/712808 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: rekonq -- ROM; no security support and unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-06-19; last modified: 2013-07-21. |
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| 19:37.53 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/161264/ |
| 19:38.47 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: apt-get update; apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 19:39.03 | Bremsstrahlung | dist-upgrade? o.0 I'm using 7.8. |
| 19:39.18 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: its not going to do anything, but i need to see the output |
| 19:39.24 | Bremsstrahlung | Ahh, OK then. |
| 19:39.43 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, I'll run and then c/p into that site. |
| 19:40.32 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: dist-upgrade is a misleading name, it should be run successfully anyway, but not yet..hence the -s |
| 19:41.17 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 19:41.19 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/161266/ |
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| 19:41.45 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: great, now install rekonq |
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| 19:42.11 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: With simply sudo apt-get install rekonq ? |
| 19:42.33 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: yea, same error? |
| 19:42.59 | Bremsstrahlung | Same error. |
| 19:43.00 | Bremsstrahlung | :/ |
| 19:43.15 | Bremsstrahlung | The latest thing I installed is libreoffice, btw |
| 19:43.20 | Bremsstrahlung | Which seemed to have installed without issues. |
| 19:43.24 | Bremsstrahlung | Not sure if it's related? |
| 19:43.34 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: cant say yet |
| 19:43.42 | Bremsstrahlung | nods. |
| 19:43.49 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: "apt-get -f install rekonq" gives what? |
| 19:44.08 | Bremsstrahlung | Same error. |
| 19:44.14 | Bremsstrahlung | Even with forced flag or w/e -f is. |
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| 19:45.32 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: apt-get install kde-runtime |
| 19:45.34 | Tommy92 | Hey guys... Just bought a new Thinkpad t440 and am unable to get my wireless card to work.. I'm running Debian wheezy 7.8 |
| 19:45.49 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Let's see. |
| 19:46.09 | Bremsstrahlung | Ahhhh. |
| 19:46.11 | Bremsstrahlung | More errors. |
| 19:46.12 | Bremsstrahlung | Aaaaaaah. |
| 19:46.13 | Bremsstrahlung | Hold on. |
| 19:46.25 | valdyn | Tommy92: show us the card. It is listed in lsusb or lspci. |
| 19:46.36 | Tommy92 | I attempted to install firmware-iwlwifi_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb, firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
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| 19:46.38 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Whats wrong? |
| 19:46.47 | sydney_untangle | I need to go now though :( |
| 19:46.49 | Tommy92 | valdyn: I don't believe so |
| 19:46.53 | Bremsstrahlung | Hey, sydney_untangle. :) Managed to get the OS installed atleast. |
| 19:47.02 | Tommy92 | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller (rev 0b) |
| 19:47.02 | Tommy92 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) |
| 19:47.03 | Tommy92 | 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 0a0c (rev 0b) |
| 19:47.03 | Tommy92 | 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HECI #0 (rev 04) |
| 19:47.03 | Tommy92 | 00:16.3 Serial controller: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HECI KT (rev 04) |
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| 19:47.05 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: pastebin those, and also the outputs of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy rekonq kde-runtime kde-baseapps-bin" |
| 19:47.05 | valdyn | Tommy92: why dont you? |
| 19:47.05 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle: But now my browser is doing something bizarre. |
| 19:47.13 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: OK, hold up. |
| 19:47.29 | Bremsstrahlung | http://paste.debian.net/161268/ <<< "sudo apt-get install kde-runtime" |
| 19:47.55 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: "apt-get install phonon" |
| 19:47.58 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Eww. :-/ |
| 19:48.03 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: etc. till you get a good error |
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| 19:48.23 | Bremsstrahlung | http://paste.debian.net/161269/ << "sudo apt-cache policy" |
| 19:48.37 | Tommy92 | Okay, totally just got kicked out of the room for spamming.. my bad lel |
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| 19:48.51 | Tommy92 | Okay, I will paste lspci and lsusb within pastebin |
| 19:48.52 | Tommy92 | 1 sec |
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| 19:49.34 | Tommy92 | Okay, here is my lspci: http://pastebin.com/5YBV4cw4 |
| 19:49.35 | Bremsstrahlung | http://paste.debian.net/161270/ <<< "sudo apt-cache policy rekonq kde-runtime kde-baseapps-bin" |
| 19:50.06 | dvs | Tommy92: Do lspci -nn |
| 19:50.17 | Tommy92 | Ok |
| 19:50.37 | dvs | Tommy92: Oh wait, it's a realtek |
| 19:50.47 | Tommy92 | http://pastebin.com/LpYAkHdp |
| 19:50.54 | Tommy92 | it is? :o |
| 19:51.23 | Tommy92 | http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440/#tab-tech_specs |
| 19:51.26 | Tommy92 | that's the laptop i have |
| 19:51.27 | Tommy92 | well |
| 19:51.34 | Tommy92 | the series anyways |
| 19:51.37 | valdyn | Tommy92: run "update-pciids". That will make the output nicer. |
| 19:51.46 | Tommy92 | okies 1 sec |
| 19:52.13 | Tommy92 | valdyn: want me to lspci -nn or just lspci |
| 19:52.26 | valdyn | Tommy92: just lspci |
| 19:52.29 | Tommy92 | kk |
| 19:52.38 | valdyn | Tommy92: or uh, lspci -k, but can do that later. |
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| 19:52.53 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: so? |
| 19:53.10 | Tommy92 | http://pastebin.com/c34dZjig |
| 19:53.14 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Oh, you think it's fine to run that? Did you look at the output of what jelly asked me? |
| 19:53.22 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: yes, doesnt help |
| 19:53.26 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, hold up. |
| 19:53.33 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: "apt-get install phonon" was next i think... |
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| 19:53.48 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, this one is apparently installing, atleast. |
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| 19:53.50 | Bremsstrahlung | Y |
| 19:53.52 | Bremsstrahlung | Eh, nvm |
| 19:54.09 | jelly | valdyn: or teach him to use aptitude and do all that interactively |
| 19:54.32 | valdyn | Tommy92: firmware-iwlwifi would be the correct package for firmware |
| 19:54.34 | Tommy92 | valdyn: lspci -k :http://pastebin.com/Yu5TM1dj |
| 19:54.42 | Tommy92 | okay |
| 19:54.59 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Output http://paste.debian.net/161273/ |
| 19:55.21 | Tommy92 | valdyn: when i apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi, i get this: firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version. |
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| 19:55.35 | Tommy92 | My bluetooth is working too, just not my wifi |
| 19:55.58 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: nice, now rekonq might already install |
| 19:56.02 | dvs | Tommy92: What does uname -r say? |
| 19:56.04 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: OK, let's try. |
| 19:56.05 | valdyn | jelly: i dont know that myself |
| 19:56.07 | Bremsstrahlung | crosses fingers. |
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| 19:56.15 | jelly | heh |
| 19:56.20 | Tommy92 | dvs: 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:56.24 | valdyn | Tommy92: lspci -k output please |
| 19:56.28 | Bremsstrahlung | Yay. \o/ |
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| 19:56.50 | djp_ | hi. does anyone know what could be causing my external usb sound card to drop audio every so often? it drops audio but then proceeds to play when the next track starts. |
| 19:56.52 | Tommy92 | http://pastebin.com/Yu5TM1dj = lspci -k |
| 19:56.59 | Tommy92 | thank you guys, btw :) |
| 19:57.04 | Tommy92 | extremely helpful. |
| 19:57.16 | Tommy92 | I don't usually come to irc unless i'm completely SOL |
| 19:57.20 | Tommy92 | which i appear to be atm ;O |
| 19:57.21 | valdyn | Tommy92: have you rebooted once after installing firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 19:57.30 | Tommy92 | Yes, i can reboot again if you'd like |
| 19:57.32 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn, jelly, sydney_untangle, trampel, thanks, seems to have decided to install now. |
| 19:57.35 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: you might also "apt-mark auto phonon" so apt thinks it got installed as a dependency and not explicitely |
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| 19:57.49 | valdyn | Tommy92: no, if you already had rebooted, then you probably need a new kernel anyway |
| 19:57.57 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: I see. So it being removed was the issue here? I found it odd that rekonq randomly uninstalled itself. |
| 19:58.21 | Tommy92 | valdyn: Is there any risk in that? I already have apparmor running |
| 19:58.22 | valdyn | !bpo |
| 19:58.23 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 19:58.31 | valdyn | Tommy92: yea, theres always risk |
| 19:58.35 | Tommy92 | valdyn: however apparmor isn't configured yet, so i guess it's not too big of a deal |
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| 19:58.49 | Tommy92 | valdyn: any security vulnerabilities? |
| 19:58.52 | valdyn | Tommy92: but if your hardware is newer than the kernel, then it obviously cannot support your thingie |
| 19:58.53 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: I can't really say what the issue was from this. |
| 19:59.02 | Tommy92 | valdyn: ah... |
| 19:59.05 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: I will tell you this, it was bizarre. |
| 19:59.24 | Bremsstrahlung | I'm not quite sure why a program that was running just fine randomly decided to disappear. |
| 19:59.32 | Tommy92 | valdyn: should I restart first, just for good luck atleast :( |
| 19:59.38 | Tommy92 | valdyn: sobs |
| 19:59.45 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: the solution was bizarre too |
| 20:00.05 | Bremsstrahlung | I'm not sure, I just copied and pasted from the IRC window to my terminal. :-) |
| 20:00.06 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: this is supposed to end up with a problem we fix, not with such clean install |
| 20:00.19 | Bremsstrahlung | Hm. |
| 20:01.06 | valdyn | judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:01.07 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 20:01.31 | valdyn | Tommy92: anyway, get a new kernel from wheezy-backports and a new version of firmware-iwlwifi from the same place |
| 20:01.39 | valdyn | Tommy92: ( at some point ) |
| 20:01.46 | Bremsstrahlung | Speaking of kernels. |
| 20:01.53 | Bremsstrahlung | When it is good practice to upgrade to latest stable? |
| 20:02.11 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: before security support ends |
| 20:02.18 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 20:02.32 | Tommy92 | judd: Thank you |
| 20:02.35 | Bremsstrahlung | (I meant for kernel, not distro version, btw) |
| 20:02.39 | Bremsstrahlung | (Not sure what you answered.) |
| 20:02.53 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: in debian, thats the same |
| 20:03.16 | Bremsstrahlung | I see, OK. |
| 20:03.19 | Bremsstrahlung | Interesting. |
| 20:03.27 | Bremsstrahlung | So this means for other distros it's handled differently? |
| 20:03.33 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: nope |
| 20:03.38 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: kernel is just another package. Keep packages up-to-date. Do regular "aptitude full-upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 20:03.46 | Bremsstrahlung | nods. |
| 20:03.47 | Tommy92 | valdyn: anything I should be aware of when installing the new kernel? do i just dpkg -i newkernel.deb or .. |
| 20:03.48 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: for rolling distros its different i would think |
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| 20:04.18 | valdyn | Tommy92: apt-get install linux-image-whatever firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:04.24 | valdyn | !tell Tommy92 -about bpo |
| 20:04.42 | valdyn | Tommy92: dpkg gave you the remaining instructions you need |
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| 20:05.39 | valdyn | Tommy92: or "apt-get -t wheezy-backports linux-image-whatever firmware-iwlwifi" |
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| 20:05.54 | Tommy92 | Ah, i see |
| 20:06.12 | Tommy92 | Thanks guys & valdyn. You've been extremely helpful <3 |
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| 20:07.38 | Bremsstrahlung | I knew it was that. |
| 20:07.43 | Bremsstrahlung | That happened to me with HexChat. |
| 20:07.57 | Bremsstrahlung | And with VLC. |
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| 20:37.13 | edoardo | hello |
| 20:37.20 | edoardo | i can't get many packages anymore |
| 20:37.23 | edoardo | eg. unetbootin |
| 20:37.50 | Guest62813 | oh, jessie frozen :\ |
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| 20:40.30 | basic6_ | if a xen-vm logs "shutdown: shutting down for system halt" (nobody logged into vm), does that mean the xen-host has initiated a clean shutdown of this vm? |
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| 20:43.19 | Guest62813 | well, many packages seem to be disappeared from jessie :/ |
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| 20:51.11 | crised | valdyn: yes, I understand that, I was looking for hardware compatibility |
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| 20:56.44 | W3ird_N3rd | I prefer to use Debian in English, but there's no locale for my country in English. I don't want MM/DD/YYYY or 1,000.50. what's the best way to solve this? |
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| 20:57.23 | W3ird_N3rd | I prefer €1.000,50 and YYYY/MM/DD btw |
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| 20:57.35 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: type "locale" |
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| 20:57.47 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, after installation I assume? |
| 20:57.57 | advisor | hi all .. i have a problem with a recently acquired acer travelmate b115 ... debian 7 installs, but doesn't boot. the BIOS is set to legacy. what can i do ? |
| 20:57.59 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: now, look at the variables |
| 20:58.02 | W3ird_N3rd | during installation I can only pick US, Canada, Botswana and some other countries |
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| 20:58.16 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: each of them can be set seperately and independently |
| 20:58.33 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: thats timezone |
| 20:58.44 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, thanks, I'll see what that does when the installation is done |
| 20:58.56 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, no, that's not timezone |
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| 20:59.34 | W3ird_N3rd | if you select a language+country for which no locale is defined, you must pick a locale from the locales available for the choosen language |
| 20:59.55 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: ok |
| 21:00.11 | W3ird_N3rd | if a locale for your combination is defined, that question is skipped, so you may have never seen it |
| 21:00.45 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: anyway, in the installer you can only set everything to 1 locale. Later you can set messages to one locale, date/time to another |
| 21:00.53 | W3ird_N3rd | I'm just so stubborn that I refuse to run software in my own language. Searching the web for errors in your own language is hell |
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| 21:04.17 | giantkoala | I get this error when I try to run popcorn-time (wheezy stable)->error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 21:04.23 | giantkoala | help? |
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| 21:05.42 | Bremsstrahlung | What's considered a good GUI frontend for Debian for iptables? |
| 21:05.49 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, "locale" shows info but has no options to modify anything. I'm not sure what the best place is to change locale settings |
| 21:05.50 | Bremsstrahlung | I mean, I understand tinkering with it yourself is the best. |
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| 21:05.59 | W3ird_N3rd | giantkoala, apt-get install libudev0 |
| 21:06.01 | Bremsstrahlung | But other than that, what's a good GUI frontend? |
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| 21:06.54 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: not sure, probably /etc/environment |
| 21:07.23 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: and all locales you want to use need to be generated or alternatively just install locales-all |
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| 21:08.35 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: as far as i know theres no good GUI frontend. But tinkering with it directly is probably harder than using some firewall scripting tool. There's a few of those. |
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| 21:09.41 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 21:09.43 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: you should tell what you want to do |
| 21:09.43 | tikifreek | jelly, do you use openconnect? |
| 21:09.58 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Well, just a standard desktop ruleset. |
| 21:10.02 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: certainly shorewall is the best, but its also huge, and probably to complex for what you need. |
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| 21:10.10 | Bremsstrahlung | Ideally permit all initiated outbound, for example. |
| 21:10.13 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: so nothing ;) |
| 21:10.21 | Bremsstrahlung | Nothing? :P |
| 21:10.31 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: of course, you dont need a firewall |
| 21:10.31 | W3ird_N3rd | Bremsstrahlung, if you're looking for a firewall you could try gufw |
| 21:10.49 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: you are behind a NAT router anyway, arent you? |
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| 21:11.38 | giantkoala | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.52 | valdyn | giantkoala: you probably need a different arch |
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| 21:12.06 | valdyn | giantkoala: we probably dont know which arch your popcorntime thing is and which your system |
| 21:12.19 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Yeah, I believe so. |
| 21:12.29 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: As, in a hardware component is there. |
| 21:12.41 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: But as they say, security comes by layers. |
| 21:12.41 | Bremsstrahlung | :) |
| 21:12.45 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: whats your computers IP ? |
| 21:12.49 | giantkoala | debian wheezty (stable) 64 bit and the latest tar from popcorntime.io |
| 21:13.04 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: security mistakes can be layered too |
| 21:13.06 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: You mean the private one on the LAN or what. |
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| 21:13.16 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: on the computer you want to secure |
| 21:13.32 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: is it 192.* ? |
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| 21:13.50 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Yeah, it's one of those -- 192.168.1.*, the blob changes everytime I start it up. |
| 21:13.54 | Bremsstrahlung | The router assigns it one. |
| 21:13.57 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: if it is, then you're behind a nat router and you cant really benefit from a firewall |
| 21:14.02 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 21:14.32 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, even if you're protected now, you may not know how routers may be set up with IPv6 |
| 21:14.32 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: know whats running, see netstat -plunt, see whats listening to "outside" traffic |
| 21:15.14 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: see if you have an ip6 ip (ifconfig | grep inet6 ) |
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| 21:16.27 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Locally? Maybe, but surely not publically; my ISP doesn't work with that. |
| 21:16.36 | Bremsstrahlung | No IPv6's here. |
| 21:16.42 | Bremsstrahlung | But let me see. |
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| 21:17.28 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: of course all these listening programs cannot be accessed from the outside, since you are behind that router. |
| 21:17.29 | Bremsstrahlung | Mhm, an IPv6 showed up. |
| 21:17.39 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 21:17.43 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: yea, i know, but its probably link-local |
| 21:17.43 | W3ird_N3rd | my provider probably brings IPv6 this year, so it's something to take into account |
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| 21:17.59 | Dagger | Bremsstrahlung: if it's "scope:link" then it doesn't count |
| 21:18.02 | laptopdebin | stupid question time so bare with me. How do I make debian more laptop "friendly"? |
| 21:18.11 | Bremsstrahlung | Dagger: Heh, yes, that's what it is. |
| 21:18.12 | laptopdebin | IE better on battery and fix suspend |
| 21:18.15 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, what do you mean? |
| 21:18.25 | laptopdebin | >IE better on battery and fix suspend |
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| 21:18.37 | W3ird_N3rd | yeah, brain delay |
| 21:18.39 | Bremsstrahlung | inet6 addr: foo/64 Scope:Link |
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| 21:18.40 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: assuming your router is not totally crappy you should familiarise yourself with its firewall settings and ip6 support, if it has any |
| 21:18.52 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: once you did that, you can setup a firewall |
| 21:19.07 | laptopdebin | ipv6 confuses me. |
| 21:19.08 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, fixing suspend > search the web, probably some hardware issue (we don't know your hardware) |
| 21:19.09 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: It may -- what do I do with that ip6 support? |
| 21:19.09 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: i mean, thats sensible priorities |
| 21:19.15 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: I see. |
| 21:19.22 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, it's supposed to work out of the box |
| 21:19.22 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: switch it off in the router |
| 21:19.35 | laptopdebin | the only fix is to add pm-suspend to the lid close script. this causes it to suspend twice however |
| 21:19.42 | W3ird_N3rd | better on battery > depending on your hardware, various things you can do. |
| 21:19.43 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: or if it has no ipv6 support, then you dont need to worry about it |
| 21:19.48 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: I see. |
| 21:19.51 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: ipv6 cannot magically traverse your router |
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| 21:20.34 | spo3k | traverse ? fr ? |
| 21:20.42 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: but if it supports ipv6 then its possible that all connected computers get a public routable ipv6 adress |
| 21:20.43 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Heh, I just went in. Entered the default gateway IP in the browser, entered credentials. |
| 21:20.51 | Bremsstrahlung | And boom, there's an IPv6 configuration menu. |
| 21:20.55 | W3ird_N3rd | spo3k, circumvent |
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| 21:21.11 | spo3k | uh? |
| 21:21.45 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, does debian have a script that fires only when the screen is closed and one when opened |
| 21:21.50 | laptopdebin | I know of one that fires for both events. |
| 21:21.53 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, I'm not entirely sure about that. If you have a provider-supplied router, it could magically start supporting IPv6 after a pushed update. And if IPv6 will also be behind NAT, it may not be |
| 21:22.26 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: true, but if your provider sabotages your network, you may get various problems |
| 21:22.27 | laptopdebin | IPV6 isn't worth it on an internal network unless you rely on nat |
| 21:22.33 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: which is what that would be |
| 21:22.43 | W3ird_N3rd | spo3k, we may not understand each other currently |
| 21:22.58 | spo3k | i see... |
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| 21:23.23 | spo3k | i understood a little bit later |
| 21:23.32 | W3ird_N3rd | if with "fr" you mean you're French, you might want to look for the French Debian IRC channel |
| 21:23.46 | W3ird_N3rd | probably has less people in it though |
| 21:23.55 | spo3k | it has... |
| 21:24.08 | laptopdebin | IPV6 isn't worth it on an internal network unless you rely on nat |
| 21:24.10 | laptopdebin | just saying. |
| 21:24.35 | spo3k | but, it's a good training for my english to read you here... |
| 21:24.42 | laptopdebin | Do you need about 16 quatrillion addresses.... |
| 21:25.14 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, from a security point of view, it's probably best to assume your computer is directly connected to the internet |
| 21:25.30 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: of course |
| 21:25.32 | W3ird_N3rd | just in case your ISP messes up, which you should assume they will |
| 21:25.47 | Dagger | laptopdebin: you need it to reach other v6 hosts on the internet. and it's also kinda handy to reach your own hosts, without having to screw around with NAT and port forwarding |
| 21:25.57 | W3ird_N3rd | also, they know your WiFi password and will give it to any authority who asks for it |
| 21:25.58 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: security is about tradeoff and priorities |
| 21:25.59 | Dagger | so, er, yes, it's worth it on an internal network |
| 21:26.09 | valdyn | W3ird_N3rd: obviously the safest is a disconnect ;) |
| 21:26.12 | laptopdebin | Dagger, you realize that there is ipv6-4 translation for a reason |
| 21:26.13 | laptopdebin | right... |
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| 21:26.58 | Dagger | laptopdebin: so hosts on your v6-only LAN can reach the v4 internet? |
| 21:27.18 | Dagger | but you may as well just dual stack, since NAT64 has all the problems of NAT44 plus some of its own |
| 21:27.32 | laptopdebin | Dagger, and vice verssa |
| 21:27.49 | laptopdebin | Dagger, also I hope you realize your internal network doesnt have to be ipv6 to access external ipv6. |
| 21:27.57 | Dagger | vice versa is harder |
| 21:28.03 | W3ird_N3rd | Bremsstrahlung, I don't know if it helps your use case, but install nmap (or zenmap if you want GUI) and scan your own IP |
| 21:28.12 | Dagger | how do you stick a 128-bit address into the 32-bit dest header in a v4 packet? |
| 21:28.17 | W3ird_N3rd | if no terribly vulnerable services turn up, you're safe |
| 21:28.36 | Bremsstrahlung | W3ird_N3rd: Isn't that a portscanner. |
| 21:28.41 | valdyn | thats what "netstat -plunt" is for |
| 21:28.42 | W3ird_N3rd | yes |
| 21:28.46 | valdyn | not really nmap |
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| 21:29.03 | laptopdebin | Dagger, I hope you realize there's a reason for translation |
| 21:29.19 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, yeah, locally that'll work just as well I guess |
| 21:29.24 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Anyhow, in the router config I found "enable IPv6" which can be turned off, and then next to it is "interface". |
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| 21:29.26 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: nmap is ok, but the output depends on the source of the scan, so its somewhat unreliable |
| 21:29.27 | Dagger | laptopdebin: yes. but "avoiding deploying v6 on your local network" generally isn't it |
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| 21:29.37 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn, whuch can be PVCx, where x is a number from 1 to 9 I think. |
| 21:29.44 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Heh, yes. |
| 21:29.58 | laptopdebin | Dagger, there's no point of deploying it. |
| 21:30.06 | laptopdebin | not on a home network. |
| 21:30.11 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: I was once scanning an IPv6 host with it, and since it was behind a tunnel (it didn't use IPv6 natively), that gave false reports. |
| 21:30.23 | laptopdebin | That's like putting a formula f1 engine into a volkswagon |
| 21:31.02 | Dagger | laptopdebin: like I say, you want it so you can use it |
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| 21:31.15 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, if you ISP supports IPv6 and doesn't NAT it, deploying it may be sensible to reach you own machines from any location |
| 21:31.25 | W3ird_N3rd | or to run multiple servers on the same port |
| 21:31.30 | Muted | Hi, I'm running virtualbox (on sid). However the bridged adaptor doesn't seem to work. When I use NAT everything is fine, my guests can attach to the network. However when I use bridged they cant. Is there something on my host os that I'm forgetting to do? Thanks! |
| 21:31.33 | laptopdebin | Dagger, what |
| 21:31.53 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, good point |
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| 21:32.22 | valdyn | Muted: does the guest IP match the host subnet? |
| 21:32.36 | W3ird_N3rd | Muted, should generally work.. you do have a DHCP server in your network? |
| 21:33.01 | W3ird_N3rd | because you need to configure your guest adapter similar to the one in your host machine (except different IP obviously) |
| 21:33.07 | Muted | Masks are the same, yes dhcp works |
| 21:33.14 | Dagger | laptopdebin: how else are you going to reach v6 hosts on the internet? nobody's going to use a proxy server on their home network |
| 21:33.16 | W3ird_N3rd | you're using WiFi? |
| 21:33.19 | Muted | it's running on DHCP |
| 21:33.23 | laptopdebin | Dagger, your ISP. |
| 21:33.27 | valdyn | i didnt ask about mask |
| 21:33.29 | laptopdebin | Dagger, your router. |
| 21:33.42 | Bremsstrahlung | I'm thinking. |
| 21:33.56 | Bremsstrahlung | Maybe I should get an old second-hand computer just to install Linux on it. |
| 21:33.58 | Bremsstrahlung | And mess with it and learn. |
| 21:34.06 | laptopdebin | Bremsstrahlung, virtual machine |
| 21:34.07 | Dagger | laptopdebin: will route v6 onto your LAN, yes |
| 21:34.21 | Muted | valdyn: What am I looking for then? |
| 21:34.35 | W3ird_N3rd | Muted, if I'm not mistaken not every networking card (driver) supported bridge (packet injection) |
| 21:35.03 | W3ird_N3rd | that mostly applies to WiFi I think, so, you're using wifi maybe? |
| 21:35.13 | valdyn | Muted: the subnet is defined by net and mask: 192.168.1.0/24, which is the same as 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 21:35.30 | valdyn | Muted: your host and your guest both need to be in the same subnet |
| 21:35.40 | Muted | valdyn: yes, you're right sorry. But yes, they are |
| 21:36.08 | valdyn | Muted: show us the output for "ifconfig -a" |
| 21:36.29 | Muted | does guest additions need to be installed? (it is, but just want to make sure) |
| 21:36.43 | W3ird_N3rd | I just want to know if he's on wifi (or better yet, tell us what networking chip/card you have) |
| 21:36.49 | W3ird_N3rd | no |
| 21:36.54 | W3ird_N3rd | no guest additions needed for bridge |
| 21:36.56 | valdyn | Muted: no, guest addition are just drivers - you may or may not need them for the guest network interface |
| 21:37.16 | laptopdebin | Dagger, do you know anything about linux on laptops? |
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| 21:37.38 | valdyn | Muted: you *can* use such driver to use virtio networking, but you dont have to. |
| 21:37.59 | Dagger | laptopdebin: nope, sorry |
| 21:38.04 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, the suspend script I don't know from the top of my head, but depending on your hardware you may need closed source drivers for power management |
| 21:38.19 | W3ird_N3rd | especially for the graphics chip |
| 21:38.20 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, yay /s |
| 21:38.29 | laptopdebin | Time to figure out what driver crunchbang used that debian isnt |
| 21:38.30 | W3ird_N3rd | I'm not a fan either |
| 21:38.42 | W3ird_N3rd | crunchbang? |
| 21:38.43 | Muted | http://pastebin.com/HegncLAk |
| 21:38.59 | laptopdebin | debian derivative |
| 21:39.08 | valdyn | Muted: thast not a bridge |
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| 21:39.21 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, it depends on your hardware.. Intel needs nothing, but a recent nVidia or AMD chip *could* need it (but not neccesarily does!) |
| 21:39.23 | valdyn | Muted: you need a bridge interface before any guest could attach to it |
| 21:39.40 | Muted | So i gotta make a bridge interface first? |
| 21:39.48 | valdyn | Muted: yea |
| 21:40.01 | laptopdebin | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/AcerAspireOne725/wheezy |
| 21:40.07 | Muted | lol sry, ok i got a tutorial it seems on that |
| 21:40.10 | Muted | sorry about that! |
| 21:40.11 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, I have my video drivers already |
| 21:40.14 | laptopdebin | Flash is garbage though |
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| 21:40.27 | Muted | it's just that my friend running testing in virtualbox had to do nothing |
| 21:40.28 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, virtio driver works on debian without guest additions.. and we still don't know what Muted uses for a network chip |
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| 21:40.44 | Muted | (his host is OSX though) |
| 21:40.55 | valdyn | oh |
| 21:40.57 | W3ird_N3rd | yes, but what is your network chip |
| 21:41.08 | valdyn | Muted: we cant help you how to set up your bridge in osx |
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| 21:41.19 | W3ird_N3rd | valdyn, I tested it a while ago, virtio just worked without GI :) |
| 21:41.36 | W3ird_N3rd | for Debian guest, that is |
| 21:41.44 | W3ird_N3rd | other guests may need GI |
| 21:41.44 | Muted | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) |
| 21:41.47 | Muted | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e) |
| 21:41.54 | Muted | (its using wireless |
| 21:42.00 | W3ird_N3rd | there it is! |
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| 21:42.06 | W3ird_N3rd | plug in your cable and try again! |
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| 21:42.20 | Muted | I hate cables =) |
| 21:42.22 | W3ird_N3rd | if bridge mode works, the problem is in the wifi |
| 21:42.29 | Muted | ill give it a try |
| 21:42.52 | W3ird_N3rd | I'm sure you do, but try it, just for the sake of finding what's causing the problem :) |
| 21:44.52 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, agree on Flash garbage. Watching Flash development is like watching The Walking Dead |
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| 21:45.13 | W3ird_N3rd | not matter how many times it's punched, it just rears it's ugly head again |
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| 21:46.09 | W3ird_N3rd | but if you uninstall it, many websites serve an alternative to the flash applet (they don't if you merely block flash). And spoofing iPad user agent can also sometimes force site to serve HTML5 video |
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| 21:46.12 | laptopdebin | hue |
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| 21:47.53 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, you could configure speedstep and display brightness.. also increasing /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs will save some energy |
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| 21:49.14 | W3ird_N3rd | also setting swappiness to 0 (if you have enough RAM), since RAM uses less energy than disk |
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| 21:52.10 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, I don't know if this still applies, but this used to save me a bit: echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/sched_mc_power_savings |
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| 21:55.54 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, I have a ssd |
| 21:56.20 | naruto_9 | how much space do I need to use linux? is 5gb enough? The only thing I need is Grads to plot maps |
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| 21:57.41 | Vroomfon1el | naruto_9: a debian system will run in 5GB without any trouble. Your application may need more but I've not used it so can't comment on that really. |
| 21:58.37 | Ademan | is it possible to su to an interactive shell of a system user? Right now to su to a system user I have to su, then from that root shell, su to the system user. if I try to su directly to the system user, I can't authenticate (presumably because the system user has no password). |
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| 21:59.48 | Ademan | since this is a rare thing for me (testing, basically) it doesn't need to be "easy", but right now if I left my screen unlocked, someone could exit the system user shell and get a root shell (since it's nested in the su to root) |
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| 22:00.24 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, still helps to accumulate writes, but not as much as with a traditional HDD |
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| 22:00.28 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, I'm following the wiki instructions to improve performance |
| 22:00.54 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, should I encrypt my drive? |
| 22:01.12 | W3ird_N3rd | naruto_9, I've installed Debian with LXDE on a 3GB partition. (1GB still free) That could run with 512MB of RAM if it had to. Your application I do not know |
| 22:01.30 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, you could do 128mb of ram if you hate yourself. |
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| 22:02.57 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, even 64MB may boot (with a swap partition), but I'd rather drink some week-old milk |
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| 22:03.42 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, 32mb. |
| 22:03.46 | laptopdebin | get on my level m8 |
| 22:03.53 | laptopdebin | tried it once. |
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| 22:03.57 | laptopdebin | Surprisingly not that painful |
| 22:04.03 | laptopdebin | x fails to load though |
| 22:04.12 | W3ird_N3rd | at some point LXDE may refuse to load, but I don't know the limit |
| 22:04.29 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, we must find out. |
| 22:04.35 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, depends. Since a laptop can easily be stolen, encryption makes sense. if your CPU supports AES-NI, it'll cost almost nothing energy-wise |
| 22:05.10 | W3ird_N3rd | only encrypting the home dir will be less hard on the system (https://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder) |
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| 22:06.04 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, I'll try |
| 22:06.09 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, :) |
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| 22:08.22 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, how do I find the instructions supported by my cpu |
| 22:08.30 | laptopdebin | nvm |
| 22:08.51 | W3ird_N3rd | for intel, http://ark.intel.com |
| 22:09.26 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, amd |
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| 22:09.28 | laptopdebin | c70 |
| 22:09.29 | naruto_9 | Grads is required to plot http://www.iges.org/grads/gadoc/tutorial_fig7.gif I think that the files are around 10mb or less |
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| 22:10.13 | W3ird_N3rd | naruto_9, requirements depend on your desktop environment.. and is 5GB your RAM or your disk? |
| 22:10.21 | naruto_9 | 3gb of ram |
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| 22:10.44 | naruto_9 | 5gb of disk. But the real size is 500gb, but over 400gb are filled with ebooks and windows |
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| 22:11.39 | laptopdebin | NO! |
| 22:11.43 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, my cpu doesnt |
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| 22:11.52 | laptopdebin | the crappy amd e350 has aes ni |
| 22:11.53 | laptopdebin | ; - ; |
| 22:11.55 | W3ird_N3rd | odd, I though most recent AMD CPU's did |
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| 22:12.04 | W3ird_N3rd | oh, no E-350 is brazos |
| 22:12.05 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, I just have virtualization |
| 22:12.06 | laptopdebin | :/ |
| 22:12.18 | W3ird_N3rd | which is quite nice for a brazos |
| 22:12.24 | W3ird_N3rd | Atoms don't have virtualization |
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| 22:12.53 | W3ird_N3rd | well, just https://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder in that case |
| 22:13.45 | towo` | W3ird_N3rd, if you speak about vt-x, you are wrong |
| 22:14.24 | W3ird_N3rd | towo`, atoms support that now too? |
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| 22:15.30 | W3ird_N3rd | towo`, I see.. Celeron N2830 (bay trail) supports vt-x! did not know that. |
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| 22:17.25 | towo` | W3ird_N3rd, 1st inform, than speak ;) |
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| 22:18.26 | W3ird_N3rd | well, towo`, when comparing E-350 to the (also old) Intel equivalent, I'm probably still right. |
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| 22:25.15 | slinnky | What's a solid DOS emulator in the debian archives? Is there one? |
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| 22:28.36 | W3ird_N3rd | slinnky, dosbox? |
| 22:28.45 | dutchfish | whats wrong with dosemu? |
| 22:29.00 | slinnky | Perfect, thanks W3ird_N3rd and dutchfish |
| 22:29.32 | W3ird_N3rd | and if you wish to emulate the entire machine (for games you generally don't), bochs |
| 22:30.09 | slinnky | sweeeeet |
| 22:30.10 | W3ird_N3rd | but dosbox is very good (and well known, so easy to find guides) |
| 22:30.24 | slinnky | boomshakalalalaal |
| 22:30.38 | slinnky | blows W3ird_N3rd |
| 22:30.41 | slinnky | thanks man! |
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| 22:30.54 | W3ird_N3rd | yw |
| 22:31.34 | laptopdebin | ... |
| 22:32.02 | laptopdebin | gag |
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| 22:32.03 | laptopdebin | gah |
| 22:32.09 | laptopdebin | how do i enable nonfree in wheezy |
| 22:32.28 | dutchfish | !non-free |
| 22:32.29 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:33.08 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, jessie with LXDE won't start with 64MB it seems :-( |
| 22:33.13 | laptopdebin | :( |
| 22:33.31 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, should I install a backported kernel? |
| 22:33.35 | laptopdebin | or should I go to sid |
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| 22:34.13 | W3ird_N3rd | 96MB works just fine, let's try 80MB |
| 22:34.21 | laptopdebin | :D |
| 22:34.47 | laptopdebin | I need to customize my install a bit |
| 22:34.52 | laptopdebin | its as out of the box as it gets |
| 22:35.09 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, what kernel depends on your needs |
| 22:35.28 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, I mostly like to run the latest |
| 22:35.37 | laptopdebin | there's no point since it is debian |
| 22:35.39 | laptopdebin | but still. |
| 22:36.00 | W3ird_N3rd | 80MB, out of memory error on boot, but it starts anyway.. swapping like crazy |
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| 22:36.09 | laptopdebin | wow |
| 22:36.14 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, push it harder? |
| 22:36.18 | W3ird_N3rd | 120MB swap used right after boot |
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| 22:36.59 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, drop to 75mg |
| 22:37.00 | laptopdebin | mb |
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| 22:37.17 | laptopdebin | Run it out of a ramdisk so it can swap faster :P |
| 22:37.17 | W3ird_N3rd | it won't shut down.. I guess 80MB is already pushing it |
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| 22:38.05 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, speed is not the issue, at some point (around 80MB) it just runs out and crashes |
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| 22:39.15 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, rammdisk to speed up swapping |
| 22:39.19 | laptopdebin | if possible |
| 22:39.19 | laptopdebin | also cut back on services |
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| 22:40.37 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, ramdisk would make no difference, speed is not the problem. At 79MB it just gives a kernel panic while booting. 80MB is the bare minimum to start |
| 22:40.49 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, I'm trying to remember how to enable nonfree in wheezy |
| 22:40.53 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, cut back on services |
| 22:41.00 | laptopdebin | what ever you can cut back on |
| 22:41.51 | W3ird_N3rd | I don't know if it would help, I think it crashes before the kernel fully loads. Sure I can run linux on less, but the question was what debian+lxde takes |
| 22:42.01 | W3ird_N3rd | otherwise I might as well install DSL :P |
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| 22:42.57 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, /etc/apt/sources.list or synaptic |
| 22:44.49 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, not helpful |
| 22:44.50 | laptopdebin | :/ |
| 22:45.00 | laptopdebin | the issue is I added nonfree to the end and did apt-get update |
| 22:45.07 | laptopdebin | but it wont show me nonfree packages |
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| 22:46.05 | W3ird_N3rd | can't help you in that case |
| 22:46.27 | laptopdebin | RMS would be proud |
| 22:46.28 | laptopdebin | atleast |
| 22:47.14 | W3ird_N3rd | if you have a DE you could try it in synaptic |
| 22:47.24 | episage | how to execute a command when a terminal is idle for x seconds? |
| 22:47.40 | W3ird_N3rd | episage, in a script? |
| 22:48.23 | W3ird_N3rd | you could use the "read" command with a timeout |
| 22:48.25 | episage | W3ird_N3rd: im running python in foreground but selenium sometimes hangs when clicking an element. i want to ctrl-c it and restart pythin |
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| 22:49.05 | episage | i tried screen command but it is limited to a specified set of commands |
| 22:49.44 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, Im going to ugrade my kernel |
| 22:49.45 | laptopdebin | wish me luck |
| 22:49.55 | W3ird_N3rd | I guess the problem is detecting when selenium hangs |
| 22:50.36 | episage | W3ird_N3rd: on click. it is a well known bug. |
| 22:51.12 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, sid is stable right |
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| 22:52.05 | W3ird_N3rd | laptopdebin, the kid next door? yeah, he never broke any toys. nice kid. http://pixar.wikia.com/Sid_Phillips |
| 22:52.29 | laptopdebin | ................ |
| 22:52.30 | laptopdebin | .............................. |
| 22:52.37 | laptopdebin | W3ird_N3rd, im going to install jessie i meant |
| 22:52.40 | laptopdebin | SID is unstable |
| 22:52.42 | laptopdebin | Jessie is testing. |
| 22:53.00 | W3ird_N3rd | you say "sid is stable right", I assume you're messing with me :P |
| 22:53.18 | laptopdebin | lol |
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| 22:53.22 | laptopdebin | i meant jessie |
| 22:54.06 | W3ird_N3rd | jessie is testing, but has been frozen for a while, so unlikely to experience major bugs right now |
| 22:54.52 | laptopdebin | apparently some of my hardware isnt' supported by 3.2 |
| 22:55.03 | laptopdebin | and we're on what, 3.19? and 4.2-RC3 |
| 22:55.48 | W3ird_N3rd | IIRC Jessie has 3.16 |
| 22:56.12 | W3ird_N3rd | my hardware is supported from 3.17 and some other piece from 3.18 |
| 22:56.14 | jerichowasahoax | I have $HOSTALIASES pointed to /etc/host.aliases, and /etc/host.aliases does contain aliases, but (for example) "ssh <alias>" doesn't work. What do I need to do to make Debian respect host.aliases? |
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| 22:57.30 | laptopdebin | I might try a new distro |
| 22:57.33 | laptopdebin | just for the hell of it |
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| 23:00.39 | W3ird_N3rd | episage, you could see with "ps aux | grep YOURPROCESNAME" what the status of your process is. if you can tell from the state if it's crashed, you could script something that checks every second if it's crashed yet and restart it if needed |
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| 23:03.17 | episage | W3ird_N3rd: hard to say. it does not crash. firefox is runnng and consuming ~4% cpu. i will try send_keys('\n') to the webelement |
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| 23:04.25 | jerichowasahoax | ignore previous question, i just PEBKAC'd and forgot to connect the system to my wifi |
| 23:04.26 | episage | W3ird_N3rd: so far so good |
| 23:04.31 | episage | will see tomorrow |
| 23:04.35 | episage | if it does not hang |
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| 23:33.24 | ghormoon | hi, is there some dd-like tool for RAM? to copy part of RAM (specified e.g. by start+len or start+end) to file and later back? |
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| 23:34.52 | centrx | ghormoon, There is a device or something in /dev or /proc that represents an image of the entire RAM |
| 23:34.54 | centrx | might be /dev/mem |
| 23:36.29 | ghormoon | hm, that might do, then just plain dd should do the trick, hopefully I don't break it too much :)) |
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| 23:45.07 | un214 | ghormoon: just don't write to /dev/mem |
| 23:46.18 | ghormoon | un214: any other easy way to do it? I need both, save part of memory and restore it back (experimenting with VGA passthrough and I nedd t oreset VBIOS) |
| 23:47.05 | un214 | not really |
| 23:47.18 | Ademan | ghormoon: what is your ultimate goal? this approach sounds like a Bad Idea (TM) |
| 23:47.46 | un214 | I agree. Having to ask what device and experimenting with writing to it sounds like a poor mix |
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| 23:48.08 | ghormoon | Ademan: try to reset the GPU to state when it can be initialised again from scratch. when the driver initializes it, it messes up VBIOS and then it's not possible to initialize it again in another OS without reboot |
| 23:48.59 | ghormoon | I know that my chances of success are almost less than 0%, but still worth a try :P |
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| 23:49.02 | Ademan | ghormoon: what drivers? |
| 23:49.17 | ghormoon | radeon, fglrx and windows ati drivers |
| 23:49.29 | Ademan | problem occurs with all three? |
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| 23:49.59 | ghormoon | now yes, the host initializes it and then I can't pass it to the guest |
| 23:50.15 | ghormoon | in the guest, the driver complains ROM is broken |
| 23:50.27 | ghormoon | so i need to flash the rom back :) |
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| 23:51.14 | Ademan | does the problem occur without passthrough? |
| 23:51.33 | Ademan | (particularly, does this problem happen on the host without a VM running?) |
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| 23:52.01 | ghormoon | well I can reinit it only if I was only in console, if I shut the GPU in X, it won't reinit |
| 23:52.07 | ghormoon | if I shut it in console, it will |
| 23:53.08 | ghormoon | the point is that the driver doesn't care about what state it left the GPU in, since generally it shuts only on shutdown :) |
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| 23:55.40 | ghormoon | the goal is to be able to put back clean memory so the guest VMs can reinit the card. I don't really care about the host, that doesn't need graphics :) |
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| 23:56.59 | butthurt | takes a massive shit on the floor |
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| 23:58.43 | crepple | I have a curiosity question. I have an old Acer ferari - AMD64 allegedly but seems to actually be 32 bit and gets as hot as p4 - anyway it failed to install windows xp or ubuntu, but Debian net install worked perfectly. What's happening? I'm grateful I can use the old codger, but I'm very confused. |
