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| 00:29.58 | kWO901 | which dvd of debian iso should i download? |
| 00:30.17 | dvs | kWO901: Chances are the one in the top right corner. |
| 00:30.33 | kWO901 | dvs: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 00:30.41 | kWO901 | which one from this list? |
| 00:31.44 | dvs | kWO901: debian-7.8.0-i386-DVD-1.iso is the only one that will install from that list. |
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| 00:32.20 | kWO901 | dvs: and whats up with the rest of iso's ? |
| 00:32.41 | dvs | kWO901: if you dont have an internet connection, you can have the packages in disc. |
| 00:32.49 | dvs | and why i386? |
| 00:32.59 | dvs | what CPU do you have? |
| 00:33.12 | kWO901 | core 2 duo 2GHz |
| 00:33.25 | dvs | amd64 would be a better choice. |
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| 00:34.01 | kWO901 | dvs: also, i want a virtual machine. vmware |
| 00:34.09 | dvs | ah |
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| 01:00.29 | nell | im cloning a dm-crypt luks partition and right now im reconfiguring the old UUIDs and converting them to the new ones |
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| 01:01.10 | nell | I'm not sure what I'm doing, I get my new UUIDs using blkid and then Im supposed to substitute them into the places where my old UUIDs are mentioned? |
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| 01:02.51 | shentino | this is why I don't use UUIDs in the first place |
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| 01:15.26 | rypervenche | nell: How are you cloning it? |
| 01:15.32 | nell | http://www.starling-software.com/en/blog/sysadmin/2010/02/27.cloning-an-encrypted-ubuntu-system.html |
| 01:15.34 | nell | i followed this |
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| 01:16.29 | nell | -im at step 8 |
| 01:16.40 | nell | im really confused right now though rypervenche :( |
| 01:17.18 | rypervenche | nell: Well, I suppose we should start at the beginning. Why are you cloning the drive? |
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| 01:17.50 | nell | because I don't have a backup and I want to migrate it from my 1tb drive to a 120gb ssd [the partition is 120gb big] |
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| 01:26.56 | rypervenche | Hmmm, there are easier ways to do this :/ |
| 01:27.10 | rypervenche | You could have simply dd'ed the entire drive over, then expanded it. |
| 01:27.25 | rypervenche | Still can. |
| 01:27.50 | dvs | would rather use gparted |
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| 01:30.00 | rypervenche | With dd, the UUIDs will not change. |
| 01:30.33 | shay_shay | ahem dd_rescue |
| 01:30.45 | shay_shay | ahem rsync |
| 01:31.03 | shay_shay | dd not for backup |
| 01:31.29 | rypervenche | shay_shay: He is migrating. |
| 01:31.44 | shay_shay | then partclone |
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| 01:31.58 | shay_shay | or rsync |
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| 01:32.59 | nell | wow |
| 01:33.03 | nell | I should just use dd |
| 01:33.06 | nell | o_o |
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| 01:33.21 | nell | but its dd from a larger drive to a smaller drive rypervenche |
| 01:33.22 | rypervenche | For a 120G SSD to a hard drive, dd would be very straight-forward. Then a resize would be necessary. |
| 01:33.25 | rypervenche | Oh |
| 01:33.31 | rypervenche | nell: Scratch what I said then. |
| 01:33.34 | nell | otherwise i could just clonezilla |
| 01:33.38 | nell | what about dd partition |
| 01:33.43 | shay_shay | use clonezilla |
| 01:33.56 | nell | clonezilla wont do larger to smaller disk |
| 01:33.58 | shay_shay | partclone is a utility from clonezilla |
| 01:34.02 | nell | eh |
| 01:34.05 | shay_shay | oh yeah youre right |
| 01:34.21 | shay_shay | so make the filesystems kn the destination and rsync |
| 01:34.23 | nell | please tell me there still exists an easy way |
| 01:34.50 | shay_shay | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/full_system_backup_with_rsync |
| 01:34.54 | shay_shay | rsync is the easy way |
| 01:35.23 | shay_shay | you have to reinstall bootloader but thats easy right? |
| 01:35.40 | shay_shay | dd_rescue is not as error prone as dd |
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| 01:36.35 | nell | alright im rsyncing |
| 01:36.44 | nell | the only thing that might mess up at this point |
| 01:36.45 | shay_shay | http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ |
| 01:36.47 | nell | is grub |
| 01:37.03 | nell | cuz when I tried to install grub to the mounted partition |
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| 01:37.42 | nell | grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set 'GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1' in file /'etc/default/grub'.. |
| 01:37.52 | nell | Which didn't exist so I appended it inside there |
| 01:38.01 | shay_shay | you need to be in a chroot |
| 01:38.06 | nell | Ohhhhhhh |
| 01:38.53 | nell | trying now |
| 01:39.13 | shay_shay | if you ever switch to a tty when most distros are getting installed you will find bind mounted directories during final syatem configuration |
| 01:39.35 | shay_shay | gentoo wiki has the best page on chrooting |
| 01:39.45 | nell | same error. |
| 01:39.53 | nell | i was chrooted when i ran the command |
| 01:40.12 | nell | i did grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sdb |
| 01:40.30 | shay_shay | yeah but did you bindmount /sys /dev/pts /dev /tmp /proc? |
| 01:40.40 | nell | I binded /sys /dev and /proc |
| 01:40.48 | shay_shay | hmm |
| 01:41.40 | shay_shay | maybe you need to edit your /etc/default/grub |
| 01:41.45 | shay_shay | XD |
| 01:41.56 | nell | I put it in there ! |
| 01:42.03 | nell | GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1 |
| 01:42.10 | nell | its on like line 12 |
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| 01:42.30 | shay_shay | oh sorry I missed that |
| 01:42.45 | shay_shay | I dont jave any experience with encrypted disks sorry |
| 01:42.57 | nell | you were helpful though in giving me some hope |
| 01:43.02 | nell | thanks anyways shay_shay |
| 01:43.03 | shay_shay | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/full_system_backup_with_rsync |
| 01:43.10 | nell | clicks |
| 01:43.24 | shay_shay | this command I use to clone lots of systems |
| 01:43.45 | nell | I have root and home on separate partitions but |
| 01:43.48 | nell | i guess that doesnt matter too much |
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| 01:43.59 | shay_shay | you mount them first |
| 01:44.14 | shay_shay | youll mount the destination in the configiration they will be in |
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| 01:45.05 | shay_shay | e.g. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && mkdir /mnt/home && mount dev/sda2 /mnt/boot |
| 01:45.25 | shay_shay | er |
| 01:45.54 | shay_shay | e.g. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && mkdir /mnt/home && mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/home |
| 01:46.11 | nell | i did that |
| 01:46.17 | nell | im rsyncing the home to the new one |
| 01:46.27 | nell | im gunna hold my breath and hope it-just-werkz.gif |
| 01:46.53 | nell | oh? it finished. |
| 01:46.55 | nell | Lets see |
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| 01:48.23 | shay_shay | also you can dd your bootloader over |
| 01:48.36 | shay_shay | the MBR part |
| 01:49.01 | shay_shay | if the normal install methods are too scary for you |
| 01:49.16 | shay_shay | the dd method is much more scary for me since its "dumb" |
| 01:49.19 | nell | i did that |
| 01:49.22 | nell | i just uh |
| 01:49.24 | nell | gparted copy and paste lol |
| 01:49.32 | nell | i could dd but yknow why not, worked before |
| 01:49.44 | nell | hey so |
| 01:49.47 | nell | im going to test it now |
| 01:50.03 | shay_shay | well you need to know how big exactly the MBR ia |
| 01:50.49 | shay_shay | you dont want to copy anything else... i guess doi g it before formatting and rsyncing would have had the greatest chance of success |
| 01:51.00 | nell | fail |
| 01:51.23 | nell | grub-rescue |
| 01:51.35 | nell | twitches |
| 01:51.50 | shay_shay | it will work just relax |
| 01:52.29 | shay_shay | runs around in a circle screaming like lemon grab |
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| 01:53.24 | nell | btw thats a great command you gave me |
| 01:53.27 | nell | # rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} /* /path/to/backup/folder |
| 01:53.38 | nell | can just tar it then too |
| 01:55.31 | shay_shay | nell: its a good starting point |
| 01:56.35 | shay_shay | hearts gentoo and arch wikis for administering all linux |
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| 02:02.37 | nell | shay_shay instead of rsync can't i run tar with the same parameters |
| 02:02.56 | nell | so like |
| 02:03.20 | nell | # tar -zcvpf /path/to/backup.tar.gz --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} /* |
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| 02:06.01 | nell | eh ill try it lol |
| 02:06.15 | nell | seems to just werk |
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| 02:10.58 | shay_shay | nell: i'm not sure if tar -p preserves ACLs or Selinux contexts |
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| 02:11.53 | shay_shay | and also if you have sparse files consider using --sparse or elae when you extract it they will blow up to full size |
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| 02:12.44 | shay_shay | thats why I make a sparse image, format it with ext4 , loop mount and rsync into it |
| 02:14.15 | k_sze[work] | I have this Debian installation that interpretes the system clock in the wrong timezone everytime it boots up. |
| 02:14.38 | shay_shay | because nothing is lost in translatipn that way, its a modern filesystem supporting all things going directly into another |
| 02:15.20 | k_sze[work] | Everytime it boots up, it thinks the system clock is in UTC when it already in local time, so extraneous timezone adjustment gets applied to time until ntpd kicks in and resets the time. |
| 02:15.28 | k_sze[work] | I don't know how that's even possible. |
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| 02:24.44 | SKlogo | So, i just switched to a wheezy-backport kernel and now my boot menu displays two kernels to boot to and it's annoying >.> |
| 02:24.48 | SKlogo | Any suggestions |
| 02:25.11 | SKlogo | Can I safely remove the old kernel? |
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| 02:27.21 | celexi | yes feel free to remove the old kernel sklogo |
| 02:27.35 | celexi | to cleanly remove it if you don't know how you can use synaptic |
| 02:28.17 | SKlogo | Will it delete any dependencies tied to it as well? Like libraries that only that version used? |
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| 02:29.05 | celexi | if you select them yes, i was more of referring to kernel modules |
| 02:29.21 | celexi | in synaptic search for the kernel version and it will show the kernel and everything else associated installed |
| 02:29.22 | SKlogo | celexi: Thank you |
| 02:29.33 | SKlogo | celexi: Okay |
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| 02:30.32 | SKlogo | celexi: Would having an lvm encrypted hd complicate anything? |
| 02:30.39 | celexi | no |
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| 02:30.46 | SKlogo | okay |
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| 03:15.12 | wingman2 | I just managed to get debian on to the internal flash of my box |
| 03:15.13 | wingman2 | root@lxc00253103e9f9:~# df -h |
| 03:15.13 | wingman2 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 03:15.13 | wingman2 | ubi0:rootfs 113M 88M 26M 78% / |
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| 03:34.26 | nell | when doing initramfs-update i get |
| 03:34.56 | nell | /boot/initrd.img-x.xx.x-x-xxxxx does not exist. Cannot update |
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| 03:37.39 | Ooze | What's the best way to have whatever I upload in ~/screenshots to link to /var/www/site/screenshots so I can access them from there? |
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| 03:39.46 | Ooze | When I put something in ~/folder1 I want it to also go to /var/www/site/folder2 |
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| 03:42.29 | wingman2 | nell: Have you tried update-initramfs -c instead of -u ? |
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| 03:46.22 | mike802 | symlink |
| 03:46.38 | mike802 | http://mike802.blogspot.com/2014/12/first-steps-building-portal.html |
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| 03:59.33 | Contrl | I'm not getting 'Stereo Mix' as an option to listen to. Just my microphone. |
| 03:59.35 | Contrl | Not sure really where to start. |
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| 04:13.31 | kWO901 | I want run apps automatically when x starts. |
| 04:13.47 | kWO901 | i did a script as recommended here. https://www.debian-administration.org/article/50/Running_applications_automatically_when_X_starts |
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| 04:14.24 | kWO901 | its executable and runs fine when i try it manually. however doesnt work at startup |
| 04:14.40 | kWO901 | any clue? |
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| 04:30.01 | kWO901 | i want |
| 04:30.12 | kWO901 | i want apps to start when x starts |
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| 05:07.41 | rommel092079 | I have hp proliant dl380p. I tried commad shutdown now to turn off the server but it only says ctrl+d to continue and it goes back to login and not shutting down. Whats the problem. |
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| 05:45.38 | aristotle2600 | Hey does anyone know about linux and mint support for the AMD Radeon HD 7570M, or the Dell Inspiron i14z-6001sLV? |
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| 05:46.36 | Contrl | aristotle2600: 'mint support'? |
| 05:47.14 | Contrl | If you mean Linux Mint, you're in the wrong channel. |
| 05:47.16 | aristotle2600 | yeah, mint's a derivative of ubuntu, i though maybe someone here would be able to offer some insight |
| 05:47.24 | aristotle2600 | i asked there, no one knew |
| 05:47.32 | SyncYourDogmas | mint will be same as ubuntu |
| 05:47.39 | Contrl | Not sure why you think we'd know. |
| 05:48.05 | aristotle2600 | because mint is a derivative of ubuntu, which is a derivative of debian? |
| 05:49.02 | aristotle2600 | more of a hope, than a think... |
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| 06:37.15 | celexi | i used mint for sometime and for most part is just ubuntu with a different updater on it |
| 06:37.20 | celexi | so if it works in ubuntu it works in mint |
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| 06:52.52 | aristotle2600 | celexi:sorry I stepped away, thanks though |
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| 07:32.08 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 07:37.13 | MoonGNatRouth | hey! how to unask to custom folder? |
| 07:37.22 | MoonGNatRouth | how to set umask* |
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| 07:41.35 | sweetfeet | whenever my monitor goes to sleep or even if i power it off and back on, every time the colors in gnome 3 get sort of washed out, and there is aliasing on icons in the launcher |
| 07:41.42 | sweetfeet | logging out and back in fixes it most of the time |
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| 07:42.26 | sweetfeet | what steps can i take to see what the difference between when the colors are messed up and when they are fine so that i can troubleshoot better |
| 07:43.01 | sweetfeet | this has been an issue for about 4 months, and there are actually several posts about people having the same problem as me but no solutions posted |
| 07:43.16 | sweetfeet | everyone just finds logging out and back in works so they are fine with doing that every time i guess |
| 07:43.26 | sweetfeet | but i would like to fix it so i dont have to log out |
| 07:44.41 | sweetfeet | i connect to my monitor via HDMI, not using any proprietary graphics drivers |
| 07:45.18 | sweetfeet | i am on jessie now but the problem still exists |
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| 07:45.54 | sweetfeet | this problem didnt happen always, but i dont know how to track down which package made it happen. the issue started around 3 months ago |
| 07:46.30 | sweetfeet | i am not good enough to know how to better troubleshoot the cause |
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| 07:48.30 | sweetfeet | happens on 2 different machines in the same way |
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| 07:57.02 | sweetfeet | anybody can help? |
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| 07:59.42 | jasonwhite | Hi guys I hope some one here could help me :D What I am wondering is what is the diffrerent between using Debian's pip package, python-pip, compared to the pip script download from the official website? And which one should I use? Thanks |
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| 08:37.54 | no_gravity | when i do "df -h" there is this line: filesystem: none size: 2,0G Used:0 /tmp. What means "filesystem: none"? |
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| 08:39.55 | sweetfeet | no_gravity did you try CTRL + A then ESC and then CTRL + U or CTRL + D |
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| 08:41.21 | no_gravity | sweetfeet: yup, ctrl+a ESC works! |
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| 08:46.39 | sweetfeet | no_gravity: see link about 'none' filesystem here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343777 |
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| 08:47.16 | d3lphi | hey all. When I run "dpkg -l |grep linux-image" I get two images installed on my system: "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" and "linux-image-amd64" When I run "uname -a" I get "3.16.0-4-amd64". Is this the latest stable kernel on Jessie which I can install, am I up-to-date ? |
| 08:47.23 | no_gravity | sweetfeet: yup! seems like memory file systems are marked as "none". wonder why. they are still filesystems. |
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| 08:50.31 | sweetfeet | d3lphi: uname -a will show that kernel is from march 1, 2015 |
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| 08:59.34 | Lis | hello everyone. i try to add ~/bin to my path, there is a default debian .profile file but it does not add the home bin dir. what do i need to modify? |
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| 09:01.42 | bjorn_ | .bashrc |
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| 09:01.52 | bjorn_ | or .bash_profile |
| 09:01.58 | bjorn_ | Don't remember which one is sourced when |
| 09:02.08 | bjorn_ | I always just symlink .bashrc to .bash_profile |
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| 09:02.49 | babilen | Lis: http://paste.debian.net/161481/ is something I have in my bashrc (which is, by default, sourced from .bash_profile) |
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| 09:03.32 | Lis | babilen, that is exactly what you should not do. becouse .bashrc is executed everytime you start a new bash |
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| 09:04.04 | Lis | so you append dozens of home/bin for example if you compile something or run bash within bash |
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| 09:04.57 | Lis | .profile would be the right place, becouse it's executed only for login shells. however it does not get executed here. dont know why maybe becouse i am using x11? |
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| 09:06.51 | SynrGy | an x terminal is not usually a login shell. there may be an option to make it one, however. |
| 09:07.09 | Lis | SynrGy, ah ok, so i take .xinitrc |
| 09:07.19 | Lis | with a source $HOME/.profile |
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| 09:08.44 | d3lphi | when I boot my computer in the beginning I see following kernel message: "Support for cores revisions 0x17 and 0x18 disabled by module param allhwsupport=0. Try b43.allhwsupport=1" is this a known bug in the kernel 3.16.7-ckt-7-1 which is running on my Jessie ? |
| 09:08.47 | sweetfeet | i have a problem that every time i change input source on my monitor to another source and back, or if i power my monitor off and back on, the colors in both debian and ubuntu get "washed out" looking and the icons become aliased around the edges |
| 09:08.48 | SynrGy | babilen: as for that .bashrc excerpt ... swiped from /etc/skel/.profile? children of a login shell should inherit environment variables. just curious why you set that in .bashrc |
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| 09:09.22 | SynrGy | does that solve a problem that the default doesn't address? |
| 09:09.33 | sweetfeet | it happens on multiple machines this way, and it didnt used to happen on any machine. the monitor didn't change settings |
| 09:09.42 | sweetfeet | happens with both nvidia driver or x.org driver |
| 09:10.07 | sweetfeet | happened some time after ubuntu 14.04, but also happening on jessie too |
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| 09:10.45 | sweetfeet | i dont know what steps to take to give better information |
| 09:10.49 | babilen | SynrGy: I don't actually set it in .bashrc (but in a file I source myself from .bash_profile) - Lis comment regarding multiple additions really does apply |
| 09:11.07 | sweetfeet | google search shows other people with the same problem, but no solution yet |
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| 09:12.07 | Lis | d3lphi, it tells you that for some reasons the default kernel config does not work for your hardware so you need to modify it. you typically do that within /etc/default/grub and add b43.allhwsupport=1 to the variable grubd_cmdline_linux_default then you update grub and reinstall it |
| 09:12.09 | SynrGy | babilen: ah. you said "something I have in my bashrc", hence my confusion |
| 09:12.58 | babilen | Yeah, tried to simplify things and made it worse ... |
| 09:13.03 | SynrGy | :) |
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| 09:13.44 | Lis | if you use x take it into ~/.xinitrc works fine for me |
| 09:13.49 | Lis | if not .profile is executed |
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| 09:14.46 | d3lphi | Lis: is update-grub update-grub2 the same? |
| 09:15.06 | Lis | sweetfeet, would be good if you provide a dmesg and xorg log |
| 09:15.45 | Lis | d3lphi, not if you installed grub 1 seperately thought. just use updated-grub |
| 09:15.47 | sweetfeet | lis: ok where should i provide them |
| 09:15.51 | otyugh_ | d3lphi: I guess it's the difference between grub legacy and grub2 |
| 09:15.56 | Lis | sweetfeet, within a pastebin |
| 09:15.59 | MoonGNatRouth | bjorn_: Is there some thing like "~/.bashrc" for bash, but for sh? |
| 09:16.05 | d3lphi | Lis: otyugh_: How do I ensure which grub my system is using? |
| 09:16.33 | babilen | d3lphi: You install the correct package (grub-pc for 2) |
| 09:17.26 | otyugh_ | m'well. I've no debian under hoof, but there is a grub directory on /boot with files; Or you could just check out what grub is already installed using apt. |
| 09:17.27 | Lis | d3lphi, grub-install --version |
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| 09:18.23 | Lis | sweetfeet, can you test it with another screen? |
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| 09:18.28 | sweetfeet | Lis: here is xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/0VjDgULD |
| 09:18.38 | Lis | sweetfeet, maybe the graphic drivers messes up the screen recognition |
| 09:18.41 | sweetfeet | i dont have another screen, but it worked fine with this screen with 14.04 and before |
| 09:18.46 | d3lphi | Lis: ok, it shows me "grub 2.02-beta2-21. But I did run "update-grub" command, seems that the error message is away now (I will check messages log to ensure that), so "update-grub" worked fine, although I am on grub2 ? |
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| 09:19.01 | SynrGy | otyugh_, d3lphi: ls -l will tell you update-grub2 is a symlink to update-grub. so yes, they are the same. |
| 09:19.03 | sweetfeet | yes, but it happens on 2 different machines with either the nvidia driver or the x.org driver |
| 09:19.20 | SynrGy | there may have, at one time, been a reason to have the other name (grub-pc vs grub-legacy) |
| 09:19.24 | otyugh_ | SynrGy: han. |
| 09:19.25 | sweetfeet | but no settings changed on the monitor, its connected via HDMI |
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| 09:19.39 | sweetfeet | i am using x.org driver now |
| 09:19.50 | d3lphi | SynrGy: thank you for clarification |
| 09:20.06 | SynrGy | np |
| 09:20.32 | babilen | d3lphi: "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jan 28 00:21 /usr/sbin/update-grub2 -> update-grub" |
| 09:20.42 | otyugh_ | The /bin/update-grub does not exist on archlinux thought. I always guessed it was just a really short script. |
| 09:20.49 | sweetfeet | Lis: here is dmesg output http://pastebin.com/KdVBVNVR |
| 09:20.51 | Lis | d3lphi, yes you are if you did not install grub1 check with "aptitude search grub" |
| 09:20.58 | d3lphi | I am lookin inside /var/log/messages at the moment and realize that there is executed /usr/lib/os-probes/50mounted-tests which is working on all the partitions on the hard disk. All of them are windows partitions and I don't want my Debian Jessie system to work them at all. Can I disable this "automount/test" script somehow? |
| 09:21.09 | sweetfeet | right now, i have the problem. i will have to log out to fix it |
| 09:21.09 | d3lphi | babilen: thanks |
| 09:21.12 | Lis | sweetfeet, looks like this could be a edid problem. try disabling edid https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/541455/linux/fix-your-drivers-nvidia-hdmi-gt-165-mhz-broken-/ |
| 09:21.13 | babilen | otyugh_: It is a short script, yeah. "exec grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg "$@"" is what it does |
| 09:21.16 | otyugh_ | you don't really need grub-update to update your grub. |
| 09:21.17 | sweetfeet | my colors are messed up as we are typing now |
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| 09:21.57 | Lis | sweetfeet, google for nvidia edid disable since this is a little into deep for explanation ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-d.html |
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| 09:22.10 | sweetfeet | i am not using the nvidia driver right now |
| 09:22.17 | SynrGy | not the first time nvidia and edid is a problem. it can screw up DPI too :p |
| 09:22.19 | sweetfeet | will that still be the solution? |
| 09:22.31 | Lis | sweetfeet, ah ok. but edid is not a nvidia feature it's a hdmi feature :D |
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| 09:23.09 | Lis | sweetfeet, should only be different commands for another driver if you use nouveau http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting/ |
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| 09:24.16 | SynrGy | in particular, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting/#index4h3 |
| 09:25.11 | Lis | sweetfeet, easiest way would be to set a modeline within your xorg.conf or force a modeline within xinitrc. |
| 09:25.34 | Lis | sweetfeet, could you try to use xrandr to change your resolution and see weather the problem goes away? |
| 09:25.49 | sweetfeet | xrandr --prop shows EDID information, even now as i am experiencing the problem |
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| 09:27.44 | sweetfeet | http://pastebin.com/dr2W5f0M here is the xrandr --prop output |
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| 09:28.17 | sweetfeet | maybe i should log out of gnome 3 and back in so the problem gets resolved, then run the command again so we can see if there is any difference |
| 09:29.26 | sweetfeet | i will do that and be right back |
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| 09:29.58 | Lis | sweetfeet, it is for shure different. i had a similar problem with another screen once. maybe you can do a firmware upgrade for your |
| 09:30.01 | Lis | hm... gone |
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| 09:31.11 | Lis | sweetfeet, look weather you can do a firmware upgrade for your monitor. if that not possible you could also look for your monitor type and use a fixed edid from harddisk |
| 09:31.55 | Lis | sweetfeet, maybe someone faced a similar problem. it's also good to report that error to the linux developers since the i2c is not properly reconized i think |
| 09:32.31 | sweetfeet | http://pastebin.com/FfL1z1iE here is after i logged out and back in, i no longer have the problem |
| 09:32.46 | sweetfeet | but the output looks the same, so xrandr --prop shows no difference it looks like |
| 09:32.57 | Lis | sweetfeet, and you could disable power saving for your graphic card/pci express bus. your monitor gets disabled too but the graphic card is not in powersaving state |
| 09:33.16 | sweetfeet | but if i go idle and my screen turns off, or if i change the source to another input (e.g. another computer) on my monitor, when i come back, the problem will occur again |
| 09:33.18 | sweetfeet | until i log out and back in |
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| 09:33.39 | sweetfeet | lis: even if i just turn my monitor off and back on immediately, the problem will occur |
| 09:33.51 | Lis | sweetfeet, dump the edid information or force the modeline to a specific one will fix it |
| 09:34.24 | sweetfeet | i know other people are having this problem too, as i see posts about it on the forums but nobody providing a solution yet |
| 09:34.27 | Lis | sweetfeet, https://www.google.de/#q=xrandr+force+resolution |
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| 09:34.56 | sweetfeet | it started some time after ubuntu 14.04, but happens in 14.10 and on jessie too |
| 09:35.03 | sweetfeet | i moved to jessie hoping it wouldnt happen here :) |
| 09:35.16 | Lis | sweetfeet, http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1948 |
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| 09:39.38 | sweetfeet | get-edid from that read-edid package fails saying it cant read EDID via any method |
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| 09:40.11 | Lis | if you want the shortest fix, disable edid and manually set the modelines |
| 09:40.21 | Lis | sorry need to get back to work now |
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| 09:41.49 | d3lphi | in /var/log/messages I see a message with following line: gnome-session: Gjs-Message: JS LOG: Failed to launch ibus-daemon: child process ibus-daemon could not be executed (file not found) |
| 09:43.08 | babilen | d3lphi: and? |
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| 09:45.33 | d3lphi | babilen: don't I have to worry about this error message? |
| 09:45.45 | babilen | d3lphi: Do you want to use ibus ? |
| 09:46.14 | d3lphi | babilen: I even don't know what ibus is :) please be patient with me |
| 09:47.07 | d3lphi | in the following I have also more errors like "org.ally.Bus: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting |
| 09:47.28 | babilen | d3lphi: That's okay. ibus is a framework for various input methods. It allows you, for example, to use input methods for Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Arabic and various other languages. You won't really have a need for it if you don't plan to write in any of those languages. |
| 09:47.41 | d3lphi | the same error message followed for "gnome-session" and "ca.desrt.dcong" and "org.ally.atspi.Registry" |
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| 09:48.43 | d3lphi | babilen: I am using "cyrillic" as keyboard input because sometimes I need this. I switch with "ALT+SHIFT" my keyboard language from "english" to "cyrillic". Is it related somehow? but it works fine in Gnome3/Cinnamon at the moment |
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| 09:49.53 | babilen | d3lphi: There are various different ways to enter cyrillic and ibus provides one of them. Cyrillic isn't particularly difficult so you don't really need a specialised input method like you do for, say, Japanese. |
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| 09:50.22 | d3lphi | babilen: so do I have to somehow "disable" ibus at all to get rid of these error message because I don't need ibus ? |
| 09:50.40 | babilen | You can just ignore it |
| 09:51.12 | babilen | (or install ibus, it doesn't really matter) |
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| 09:57.11 | hahainternet | so i configured a debian image with debootstrap --variant=minbase as you do |
| 09:57.24 | hahainternet | and i (after some minor issues) have a booting system |
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| 09:57.43 | hahainternet | funnily enough, the only thing it seems you need an fstab |
| 09:57.50 | hahainternet | are the fsck hooks in debian's initramfs tools config |
| 09:57.57 | hahainternet | because there's a rather horrible bug here |
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| 09:58.06 | hahainternet | that if you don't have an fstab, the initramfs won't contain the correct fsck tool on boot |
| 09:58.14 | master | does debian have a netinstall iso? |
| 09:58.17 | hahainternet | leading to an ro root on boot, and no good ability to debug remotely |
| 09:58.24 | hahainternet | master: it has several different small isos |
| 09:58.29 | hahainternet | pick and choose based on your size needs |
| 09:58.49 | master | does your cairo support cairo::xcb? |
| 09:59.08 | hahainternet | master: is there a simple way for me to test for you? |
| 09:59.21 | revolve | I'm getting a memory error that's rebooting a server, does anyone know how to determine the stick of ram from locations like "node: 1, card: 1, module: 3, device: 0" ? |
| 09:59.29 | master | `updatedb && locate cairo-xcb.h` |
| 09:59.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell master -about netinstall |
| 09:59.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell master -about firmware-image |
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| 09:59.58 | hahainternet | master: i have one yes |
| 10:00.09 | hahainternet | libcairo2-dev is the source package |
| 10:00.13 | hahainternet | if you'd like to check that out |
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| 10:00.35 | hahainternet | revolve: i don't believe there's a single unique way of doing that |
| 10:00.36 | master | cool. one last question. how is your i386 support? |
| 10:00.49 | hahainternet | revolve: but i believe that you can often get the stick serial # |
| 10:00.57 | hahainternet | master: as far as i know, as good as any other distro |
| 10:01.01 | hahainternet | i've not used i386 in some time |
| 10:01.06 | hahainternet | but i still have a few boxes running somewhere |
| 10:01.29 | master | cool beans |
| 10:01.43 | jelly | revolve: service manual or user guide for that board or server model? |
| 10:01.55 | master | CentOS has seriously fallen apart the last year or so, I never thought I'd say this but I'm changing distros, looking at Debian. |
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| 10:02.21 | hahainternet | master: i've run countless machines nationally and internationally for a decade+ |
| 10:02.25 | hahainternet | Debian is the correct choice |
| 10:02.28 | revolve | jelly: hesitant to try that but thanks |
| 10:02.33 | revolve | hahainternet: how would you get the serial #? |
| 10:02.39 | hahainternet | revolve: dmidecode not do it? |
| 10:02.53 | master | cries over his dying RHCE ambitions |
| 10:03.10 | hahainternet | is unqualified and uncertified |
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| 10:03.16 | hahainternet | also unwashed |
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| 10:03.47 | master | do you guys use a vanilla kernel or do you patch it all up? |
| 10:03.59 | revolve | ta, re: dmidecode |
| 10:04.08 | jelly | master: the distro one usually works |
| 10:04.10 | hahainternet | i use vanilla for all my personal boxes, we have a 'reference' kernel for work related things |
| 10:04.18 | hahainternet | it's baiscally vanilla |
| 10:04.25 | master | i know some of your downstream like ubuntu patches it until its hardly able to be called linux with ABI concerns |
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| 10:04.48 | hahainternet | master: unless you need grsec and similar, vanilla should treat you well |
| 10:05.15 | master | when you say vanilla, you mean kernel.org vanilla or "didnt modify from what the distro provides" because im asking if the distro patches |
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| 10:05.27 | hahainternet | the distro patches but it's not far off vanilla |
| 10:05.33 | master | kk |
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| 10:31.28 | vaglar | Hello,what could be the reasons that libgcrypt11 is not on package list on Sid (even though the packages are uptodate), etc. |
| 10:32.09 | vaglar | I probably missed something, the only available package is libgcrypt11-dev |
| 10:33.00 | hahainternet | vaglar: if you use 'apt-cache show' and hte name of the package you know |
| 10:33.04 | hahainternet | ie libgcrypt11-dev |
| 10:33.07 | hahainternet | you'll see this: Source: libgcrypt20 (1.6.2-4) |
| 10:33.20 | hahainternet | and you will find that package in the repos |
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| 10:33.40 | hahainternet | be sure to read the notes about how this is a transitional package |
| 10:34.22 | vaglar | I see, but if I need to install libgcrypt11 what could I do ? |
| 10:35.47 | hahainternet | vaglar: if you really need an older version, you can build it in a local directory, you could check if the old packages would conflict, there are many options |
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| 10:36.24 | hahainternet | vaglar: are you positive you need specifically libgcrypt11? |
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| 10:39.36 | vaglar | hahainternet: yes, I actually need it |
| 10:40.23 | hahainternet | vaglar: i suggest you compile a local version, what is it that changed between 1.5 and 1.6? |
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| 10:42.49 | chrislamp | i have a jar applet that i want when i double click on it to execute it. in windows this is able. how i do it in linux? thank you |
| 10:43.23 | revolve | I've got a Hardware Error in kern.log that doesn't map to the output of dmidecode (a ram error) |
| 10:43.44 | revolve | Anyone know how to determine the location of the faulty memory based on the data in the kernel log? |
| 10:44.24 | hahainternet | revolve: no luck eh? use memtest |
| 10:44.36 | hahainternet | i don't know precisely how it reports the data |
| 10:44.42 | hahainternet | but memtest is the sorta benchmark for testing your sticks |
| 10:45.17 | revolve | Yup. This machine has had memtest ran on it for a week before and it didn't report the fault |
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| 10:45.42 | revolve | node 1, card 1, module 3, device 0; Where would that be? |
| 10:46.08 | hahainternet | revolve: you have to identify whether 'card 1' refers to stick 1, or controller 1 |
| 10:46.17 | hahainternet | because yeah, it's kinda ambiguous to me, a layman |
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| 10:49.02 | d3lphi | I am using Nemo on Cinnamon but unfortunately I cannot find the extensions for nemo, especially "nemo-share". How can I install this extension on Debian Jessie so I can use them on Nemo ? |
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| 10:49.29 | colo-work | in the context of debootstrap, what exactly is a "scratchbox" variant? |
| 10:49.36 | colo-work | the docs don't seem to explain that |
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| 11:04.40 | d3lphi | how can I use "nemo-share" extension on Debian Jessie ? |
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| 11:09.19 | spele | hello. Anyone here have experience getting the wireless to work on a macbook? |
| 11:09.38 | spele | sans internet connection |
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| 11:09.50 | jasabella | hehehe <3 rj45 ports |
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| 11:18.05 | SynrG | spele: this is probably a matter of: 1) identify your chipset 2) find and downoad firmware on another host, if your chipset requires it 3) transfer to your macbook via USB drive |
| 11:18.10 | SynrG | download* |
| 11:18.26 | SynrG | spele: for 1, start with lspci -nn | grep -i network |
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| 11:19.06 | MoonGNatRouth | hi, everybody! If user has shell=/bin/sh, has he some file, like ~/.bashrc in bash, which execute automatically when he log in? |
| 11:19.07 | spele | yeah, I've used b43-fwcutter and ran it on the package, but modprobe doesn't seem to be doing anything with the module |
| 11:19.32 | spele | modprobe b43 just runs with no output, but there's no wlan in ifconfig of iw |
| 11:19.35 | spele | or iw * |
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| 11:20.28 | SynrG | spele: so what is the chipset? we need to know the pciid (the thing in square brackets at the end of the line of output the command i gave you would generate) |
| 11:20.43 | spele | 14e4:4331 |
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| 11:26.19 | SynrG | ,pciid [14e4:4331] |
| 11:26.20 | judd | [14e4:4331] is 'BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'bcma' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4331 |
| 11:26.35 | SynrG | spele: are you on wheezy? |
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| 11:27.29 | SynrG | spele: which model of macbook? |
| 11:27.29 | spele | I'm on Jessie RC1 |
| 11:27.33 | spele | Macbook 10,1 |
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| 11:28.05 | wincyj | witam |
| 11:28.53 | SynrG | spele: well, you could try the non-free driver, broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 11:29.24 | SynrG | spele: if you don't already have it, you also need linux-headers-amd64 (metapackage depending on the current jessie kernel headers package) |
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| 11:29.28 | spele | Ah. See, I have no other way to connect to the internet on this laptop |
| 11:29.38 | SynrG | right. so you'd fetch the appropriate debs ... |
| 11:29.40 | SynrG | and install them |
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| 11:30.00 | SynrG | again, as per my step 3, via USB driver or so |
| 11:30.03 | SynrG | drive* |
| 11:30.07 | spele | but it relies on build-essential |
| 11:30.15 | SynrG | so fetch those too |
| 11:30.24 | spele | Hmm |
| 11:30.30 | SynrG | it's tedious, but possible |
| 11:30.34 | spele | is there any way to download all the packages at once? |
| 11:30.35 | SynrG | !apt-offline |
| 11:30.35 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
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| 11:30.54 | spele | rather than one-by-one? (since build-essential is huge) |
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| 11:31.46 | Andreas322 | Hello. At the moment Debian 8 is not a final release. If I use the Debian Testing CD, will it upgrade to the final release automatically? |
| 11:32.05 | SynrG | !apt-zip |
| 11:32.05 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 11:32.21 | spele | if your sources are set to testing, it'll jump to the next release |
| 11:32.23 | SynrG | spele: looks like that could work for you |
| 11:32.47 | spele | if they're set to Jessie, they'll update along with Jessie but not into the next Testing |
| 11:32.52 | SynrG | spele: of course, you would need to USB over apt-zip first |
| 11:32.53 | spele | thanks Synrg |
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| 11:33.41 | SynrG | spele, Andreas322: i believe the default is to set it to 'jessie' in /etc/apt/sources.list, but of course, you should verify that yourself, Andreas322 |
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| 11:34.17 | d3lphi | anyone knows how to install "nemo-share" extension on Debian Jessie, so I can share a directory within nemo ? I cannot find a package on Jessie. |
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| 11:41.45 | galex-713 | [35810.024048] pciehp 0000:00:1c.0:pcie04: Cannot add device at 0000:01:00 |
| 11:41.52 | galex-713 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.52 | galex-713 | dmesg says that ^ |
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| 11:42.16 | galex-713 | And my trackpoint+mouse, integrated to my keyboard, frequently stops to work after exiting suspend-to-ram |
| 11:42.32 | galex-713 | I precise Iâve a touchscreen |
| 11:42.43 | galex-713 | So actually have you an idea of what could that be? |
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| 11:45.12 | spele | ok thanks synrg, I'll see if I can get it working with your advice |
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| 11:51.15 | rgr | wpa_gui is pretty good. finally goodbye to wicd and using pure interfaces file with wpa_supplicat. sweet. |
| 11:51.16 | d3lphi | anyone knows how to install "nemo-share" extension on Debian Jessie, so I can share a directory within nemo ? I cannot find a package on Jessie and I have no clue if it's a good idea to install a package from Ubuntu repositorys for example. |
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| 12:13.39 | atlasloewenherz | hi everyone |
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| 12:29.26 | MoonGNatRouth | I've got damaged files in some packets, but I don't know in which one. How can I check integrity of packages? |
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| 12:31.08 | jelly | MoonGNatRouth: debsums, but not all packages have checksums |
| 12:31.26 | MoonGNatRouth | jelly: thx for the direction =) |
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| 12:31.28 | DelphiWorld | yo all |
| 12:31.42 | DelphiWorld | so in jessy we have network/interface.d? |
| 12:31.50 | DelphiWorld | we can for example define eth0 there? |
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| 13:02.45 | d3lphi | I was looking for the package "nemo-share" but I cannot find it on Debian Jessie. On #debian there was no answer. "nemo-share" is the package name of this extension. Nemo offers various extensions, I need only "nemo-share" at the moment. Any clues? |
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| 13:04.27 | optrusty | Hi is it possible to open running commands on Debian just like opening a window on windows |
| 13:04.36 | justinX | hello |
| 13:04.41 | justinX | are there a nice command or something, to find out what package have created a file (or folder) ? |
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| 13:05.08 | centrx | justinX, dpkg -S filename |
| 13:05.31 | justinX | so for example see what is responsible for all the empty folders in /usr/local/share |
| 13:05.33 | justinX | ok |
| 13:05.38 | centrx | optrusty, Open a terminal and have that terminal run the command, there is syntax if you look for e.g. man rxvt |
| 13:06.02 | optrusty | centrx I am using SSH its a vps |
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| 13:06.29 | centrx | justinX, /usr/local is not managed by the packaging system. They were probably created by packages installed outside the packaging system |
| 13:06.38 | justinX | oh |
| 13:06.52 | Che-Anarch | In my /etc/init.d/custom_start can I do: "aStartFunction on runlevel [2345]" so as to do a different procedure to when the user does "sudo service custom_start start" ? |
| 13:06.57 | themill | justinX: dpkg -S; although if things are made by scripts rather than being in the package they might not be listed |
| 13:07.03 | centrx | optrusty, I'm not sure what you're question is then |
| 13:07.04 | justinX | ok |
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| 13:07.19 | MoonGNatRouth | can anyone explain what does avahi-daemon wants from me? Is it fatal? http://fpaste.org/198503/ |
| 13:08.00 | justinX | MoonGNatRouth: it wants your soul ;-) |
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| 13:08.51 | themill | justinX: the hierarchy in /usr/local is created by the base-files maintainer scripts iirc |
| 13:08.53 | Che-Anarch | MoonGNatRouth, another machine with same hostname on your network? |
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| 13:09.13 | MoonGNatRouth | justinX: ohh.. this linux with its demons and kills.... |
| 13:09.32 | optrusty | centrx Here is the story I ssh'ed into my vps and then I was installing Webmin so before it went through the setup I closed my laptop and then when I opened it back up it said "Write Failed: Broken Pipe" |
| 13:10.09 | justinX | MoonGNatRouth: can we reformulate the question to, do you need avahi at all? |
| 13:10.18 | centrx | optrusty, Okay I see, check out 'screen' |
| 13:10.42 | MoonGNatRouth | Che-Anarch: I don't know it. I hadn't explore the network. I've tried to set hostname to 'host253', I dont think, that anyone has the same |
| 13:10.43 | justinX | themill: ok |
| 13:10.45 | centrx | optrusty, You can run a terminal/command inside screen and it will maintain the terminal for you even if it is disconnected/parent dies |
| 13:10.52 | petn-randall | optrusty: That's because the TCP connection expired, because your laptop was closed longer than a few minutes, or you changed networks. |
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| 13:11.31 | optrusty | petn-randall You might be right my laptop disconnects from my Wi-Fi when closed |
| 13:11.36 | MoonGNatRouth | justinX: I don't know am I need it =) |
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| 13:12.04 | optrusty | centrx "-bash: screen: command not found" Do I need to apt-get it or something |
| 13:12.24 | centrx | optrusty, yes apt-get install screen |
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| 13:14.20 | MoonGNatRouth | I just trying to start apache2, but it fails. I dont know is it somehow connected with avahi? this is output http://fpaste.org/198508/ |
| 13:14.22 | justinX | MoonGNatRouth: if you don't feel an inner need for "Apple Zeroconf" to let programs publish and discover services and hosts running on a local network, then the chances is that you don't need it. |
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| 13:19.55 | ChrisH | MoonGNatRouth: check apaches error.log for more detailed error description. |
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| 13:21.19 | Lirion | centrx justinX /usr/local is _usually_ not maintained by the packaging system. but: it's pretty easy to create a package on the fly which indeed installs files to /usr/local/whatsoever, so dpkg -S is a better option than trusting that everybody doesn't use this folder - which not everybody does |
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| 13:22.05 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: I've got something. I've just commented "Listen 433" in ports and it works. |
| 13:22.21 | MoonGNatRouth | how can I check what use 443? |
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| 13:23.44 | SynrGy | Lirion: only if you install packages from non-debian sources. and in terms of good system hygiene, that's something we discourage. |
| 13:24.17 | centrx | MoonGNatRouth, It's a common port search online, you'll find it's ..... |
| 13:24.34 | centrx | https |
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| 13:27.23 | fraff | MoonGNatRouth: netstat -46 -pln | grep 443 |
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| 13:27.34 | justinX | Lirion: ok. |
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| 13:27.56 | SynrGy | Lirion: specifically, debian-policy 9.1.2 https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html "As mandated by the FHS, packages must not place any files in /usr/local, either by putting them in the file system archive to be unpacked by dpkg or by manipulating them in their maintainer scripts." |
| 13:28.15 | ChrisH | MoonGNatRouth: lsof -i tcp:443 |
| 13:28.16 | MoonGNatRouth | fraff: thx. I've tried it. also lsof -i tcp:443 |
| 13:28.17 | SynrGy | even third-party packages should play by the rules or else they'll end up breaking things |
| 13:28.27 | MoonGNatRouth | But I got nothing |
| 13:28.39 | SynrGy | there is /opt if a third-party package wants to have its own directory to put stuff into |
| 13:28.40 | MoonGNatRouth | nothing use my 443 |
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| 13:29.36 | MoonGNatRouth | can iptables block 443? |
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| 13:29.41 | ntz | hello |
| 13:29.47 | justinX | I assume the original meaning of /usr/local/ is stuff you have on you own computer as opposed to the central cerver that gives you everything else (back in time when that was the usual setup for unix, and not a stand alone desktop computer with no server like mine) |
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| 13:30.00 | fraff | MoonGNatRouth: it can, but it won"t prevent apache2 to start |
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| 13:30.49 | ChrisH | MoonGNatRouth: check the apache log once more and I assume you did missunderstood the error message |
| 13:30.54 | SynrGy | MoonGNatRouth: iptables has nothing to do with whether or not lsof -i would list the port |
| 13:31.39 | SynrGy | !tell justinX about fhs |
| 13:31.43 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: all what is appeared in /var/log/apache2/error.log is : "[Mon Mar 16 09:29:05.384213 2015] [so:warn] [pid 16145:tid 139753820944256] AH01574: module ssl_module is already loaded, skipping |
| 13:31.43 | MoonGNatRouth | " |
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| 13:32.18 | ChrisH | MoonGNatRouth: thats a warning and nothing to really worry about and not the reason apache did not start! |
| 13:32.23 | SynrGy | justinX: read that. it explains exactly what /usr/local is |
| 13:32.30 | justinX | ok |
| 13:33.10 | SynrGy | the pathname.com link isn't responding for me. see the wikipedia article. |
| 13:33.27 | SynrGy | there's no "original meaning" vs. current meaning |
| 13:33.53 | SynrGy | it is, and always has been for local data specific to a host |
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| 13:34.30 | z4sk4 | hi all, its posible make a private repo with login for multiple users? |
| 13:34.40 | z4sk4 | i am using now aptly |
| 13:35.19 | SynrGy | do you need it to be secure? |
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| 13:35.40 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: here is "journalctl -u apache2 " output http://fpaste.org/198513/ |
| 13:36.09 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: I've already show /var/log/apache2/error.log - there is nothing helpfull |
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| 13:37.02 | master | how is proprietary driver support in debian? |
| 13:37.02 | SynrGy | z4sk4: if you don't care about it being secure, you could just use HTTP basic authentication as per: http://paste.debian.net/161519/ |
| 13:37.03 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: I already did "apt-get --reinstall install apache2" and it didn't up the service |
| 13:38.22 | SynrGy | z4sk4: probably a better way is to just make the archive accessible within a VPN the users belong to and have no outside access |
| 13:38.25 | z4sk4 | SynrGy: yeh, i read about try with proxy, but must be secure, nobody can sniff it... |
| 13:39.06 | SynrGy | z4sk4: you're fighting the design of the system here. the whole thrust of apt is to be publicly acessible ... |
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| 13:39.11 | z4sk4 | there arent any tool to make a private repo, like redhat or Suse? |
| 13:39.11 | SynrGy | accessible* |
| 13:39.18 | SynrGy | what for? |
| 13:39.27 | SynrGy | maybe you need something other than an apt repo |
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| 13:39.58 | SynrGy | you seem to have a problem none of the rest of us have. |
| 13:40.05 | z4sk4 | because we are making free distro, but we wanan have the repo of alpha private, and with personal tools , etc |
| 13:40.48 | pythonsnake | hi |
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| 13:41.02 | pythonsnake | is it recommendable to install a hidden backdoor on a server just in case someone hacks it? |
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| 13:41.50 | master | absolutely not |
| 13:41.51 | master | never |
| 13:42.01 | master | pythonsnake, is this for an enterprise environment? |
| 13:42.12 | master | if it is, do -not- suggest this to your boss. |
| 13:42.32 | rabbitear_sdf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGP8-oPDkzo |
| 13:42.38 | z4sk4 | SynrGy: is possible put a rpoxys for the repo in https? |
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| 13:42.52 | SynrGy | z4sk4: i suppose all things are possible |
| 13:43.23 | SynrGy | z4sk4: why don't you play with it and see? |
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| 13:43.42 | z4sk4 | yeah i am doing it right now |
| 13:44.37 | pythonsnake | master: more like a community |
| 13:44.55 | pythonsnake | I fear that something goes wrong and someone gets access to my server |
| 13:45.31 | master | pythonsnake, just even suggesting doing something like that will compromise your image as a systems administrator. as long as you have physical access to the machine you can get in. |
| 13:46.11 | pythonsnake | master: is it common that hosters are asked to reset passwords or something physically? |
| 13:46.24 | master | depends on what they're hosting |
| 13:46.33 | pythonsnake | a dedicated, on online.net |
| 13:46.48 | pythonsnake | personal stuff I guess |
| 13:47.01 | ChrisH | MoonGNatRouth: _I_ would stop apache, make sure its really gone using ps and lsof and then start it once more. line 9 shows some issue with your setup. It might be a duplicate definition for port 443 hosts. |
| 13:47.02 | pythonsnake | or you mean the content in itself? |
| 13:47.12 | pythonsnake | http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-classic |
| 13:47.13 | master | if you're hosting dedicated servers then you'll never need to get into a machine. I would suggest OpenVZ where you can build a new VM/VPS on the fly. |
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| 13:48.16 | pythonsnake | master: hm, good idea, but my question is that, if someone ever asks the hoster - online.net - to reset the dedi's password, would they do it? |
| 13:48.35 | master | In the rare offchance that for whatever reason you do need to get into a machine you can always reset the root password-- as long as you can mount the filesystem in a different boot. |
| 13:48.36 | pythonsnake | but openvz needs extra IPs too |
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| 13:49.06 | master | i dont know, depends on how professional they are |
| 13:49.09 | pythonsnake | master: ah, their rescue/netboot thing |
| 13:49.12 | pythonsnake | I see |
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| 13:49.32 | master | i wouldn't |
| 13:49.38 | pythonsnake | master: how about this: is there a way to "lock" the data if the pass gets resetted? |
| 13:49.58 | hanlon2 | hi. I got my servers moved to Debian over the weekend. They're up and running. Have a question about security policy & upgrades in Debian-land. Specifically re: Openssl. |
| 13:49.59 | hanlon2 | On my previous distro, I always built openssl(latest) from source and used it preferentially from under /usr/local -- for both access & add'l build dependencies. Mainly because the distro was usually behind in releases and the pkg provided was often a 'hot mess'. |
| 13:50.03 | hanlon2 | So now, in Jessie, I see openssl still on 1.0.1k release -- and 1.0.2 is only in 'experimental' (that's called "sid"?). I certainly don't know yet if/how the pkg is a 'hot mess' -- I kinda doubt it -- but it IS 'behind' the upstream release. My question is: now I'm Debian, should I (still) care, and if/when will 1.0.2 be available on Jessie? |
| 13:50.08 | master | pythonsnake, for archive data yes |
| 13:50.27 | pythonsnake | how? |
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| 13:50.39 | master | you could create an iso and mount it on an encrypted virtual loopback device in the user's home folder |
| 13:50.49 | master | and then mount/work/unmount |
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| 13:51.55 | petn-randall | hanlon2: Debian tracks and provides security updates for all packages shipped. So there will also be security updates for openssl. If you want to track that by hand, nothing stops you from doing that, but from a sysadmin point of view this has hardly any benefit. |
| 13:52.09 | pythonsnake | master: I see, maybe try openvz + encryption too |
| 13:52.13 | pythonsnake | interesting |
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| 13:53.05 | Che-Anarch | How can I distinguish user & system in "/etc/init.d/custom start" ? - just want a way of knowing if user done "service custom start" or if it was excited at boot. |
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| 13:53.18 | pythonsnake | master: in an enterprise/production environment, nothing besides openvz gets installed on the root dedi? |
| 13:53.30 | themill | hanlon2: that version will never be in jessie. That's not to say that the version in jessie is lacking in security updates though |
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| 13:53.46 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: i'm not sure why, but i guess you could walk the process tree up to the parent |
| 13:53.53 | master | pythonsnake, #openvz |
| 13:54.16 | pythonsnake | master: I meant, everything is normally virtualized? |
| 13:54.21 | Che-Anarch | SynrG how so? |
| 13:54.30 | master | pythonsnake, ##openvz |
| 13:54.32 | asop | hanlon2, bugfixes and security fixes are cherrypicked from upstream and backported into the packages in stable. (and jessie is not stable yet) |
| 13:54.57 | pythonsnake | master: alright, thanks! |
| 13:55.00 | master | np |
| 13:55.02 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: anything started by systemd should be a child of systemd (unless wrapped in a wrapper, in which case the wrapper's parent will be systemd) |
| 13:55.26 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: anything started by a user will have the user's shell as a parent |
| 13:55.28 | hanlon2 | petn-randall: themill hi. understood. From what I'm learning abt Debian, I *think* the answer should be -- use what Debian provides in pkg'ing. I'm working on changing my mindset from having been repeatedly burned. |
| 13:55.46 | Che-Anarch | SynrG this is in the context of sysvint - I think that differs from systems |
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| 13:55.47 | hanlon2 | asop understood re: Jessie stability. Decided to make THAT 'early' leap . |
| 13:55.56 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: doesn't matter what the init system. |
| 13:55.58 | master | SynrG, so if I really like SystemD I can put a SystemD in my SystemD so I can have SystemD while I work my SystemD? |
| 13:55.59 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: same principle |
| 13:56.08 | themill | hanlon2: that's right, you really don't want to be having to maintain your own packages like openssl. |
| 13:56.28 | SynrG | master: not helpful |
| 13:56.30 | Che-Anarch | SynrG but in my case the user will be doing "sudo service....." so this will always be root no? |
| 13:56.51 | SynrG | who said anything about process ownership? |
| 13:57.01 | SynrG | i was merely talking about parentage |
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| 13:57.42 | asop | AFAIK ''sudo command'' runs the command as you with root perms -- as opposed to ''su -l'' and then command, which runs command as root |
| 13:58.00 | hanlon2 | themill: tbh, it's pretty simple to build/maintain -- especially if NOT a system-wide replacement, but 'just' in /usr/local/ as an option. but, still, work to avoid. part of what I'm looking at right now is the EC support in 1.0.2 -- which I use extensively -- vs what is/isn't available in 1.0.1x |
| 13:58.20 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: I've got something. I delete from listening 443, keep just 8000. apache starts well, and when I check ports, I've saw: "tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 16423/apache2". Somewhy it listen on ipv6, isn't it? I'll continue to dig... |
| 13:58.39 | hanlon2 | trying to keep my focus on the fact that i'm adopting a new DISTRO -- and the reasons I'm doing it. |
| 13:58.39 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: i don't know, though. i might be wrong about this. if the service command just tells the init system to start a process, the parentage would remain unaffected. |
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| 13:58.53 | master | MoonGNatRouth, #apache |
| 13:58.54 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: so that pretty much shoots down my idea. sorry. |
| 13:59.16 | SynrG | in fact, the more i think it through, the more likely this seems. |
| 13:59.17 | MoonGNatRouth | master: thx |
| 13:59.27 | SynrG | parentage doesn't change just because you upgrade a package, for example |
| 13:59.45 | asop | SynrG, Che-Anarch I'm not sure, might ''id -u'' be useful in this case? (returns the user id) |
| 13:59.48 | SynrG | even though the user uses sudo to run the package manager, which in turn issues a service restart |
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| 14:00.00 | SynrG | asop: not in the least. both will run as root |
| 14:00.21 | petn-randall | hanlon2: As a sysadmin (in my case) I'd like to track as little software as possible by hand. You'll always lag behind, and you'll have to evaluate every update for security impact, and decide if you roll it out. |
| 14:00.37 | master | i believe service spawns even called that way will still be part of the init process lineage |
| 14:00.39 | petn-randall | And of course with every update you'll have to check if your software runs fine against it. |
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| 14:00.55 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: sorry, out of ideas. why do you think you need this anyway? |
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| 14:02.01 | master | petn-randall, that would be a nightmare if you're in a PCI environment |
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| 14:02.15 | Che-Anarch | SynrG I'm trying to have a slightly different start) case in my /etc/init.d/service - for user & system level initiation... they differ a little - though they are the same start process. |
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| 14:02.34 | hanlon2 | petn-randall: yep. with the old distro, that had become the PITA of just using the distro. which is the reason I started building my own stack. that diy-stack was getting VERY large ... and your point re: tracking/testing/admin was becoming a VERY big issue |
| 14:02.36 | ChrisH | MoonGNatRouth: run ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/ /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
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| 14:03.22 | Che-Anarch | SynrG so user normally does "service xxx target start" or "service xxx all start" where as in boot level I want all start without making a separate script. |
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| 14:04.15 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: then you don't really want the service start to detect whether it's run by system or user. you just want a different named action for the user to call |
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| 14:05.23 | Che-Anarch | SynrG - yes I'm thinking this would probably be easier - just to fit all into start) as expected on boot - & user level stuff elsewhere. |
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| 14:06.11 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: init scripts can define any actions they want. you just need a different case in the init script to handle the differently named action |
| 14:06.21 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: I am so stupid! =(((. I duplicated "Listen 443" in ports.conf & in config file for site.... |
| 14:06.49 | MoonGNatRouth | ChrisH: pluralized config is evil =( |
| 14:07.33 | SynrG | split config is an absolute necessity for policy-compliant packages |
| 14:07.48 | SynrG | packages must not modify other packages' confs |
| 14:08.14 | SynrG | so using a split config allows each package to provide its own conf fragment without violating this policy |
| 14:08.30 | ChrisH | MoonGNatRouth: That's nearly what I assumed. Some errors can only be found while talking/writing about. |
| 14:09.31 | SynrG | MoonGNatRouth: it does, of course, mean you have to be more careful about searching your configs. but it is in the long run the best debian can do to ensure your packages are all of the highest quality and don't destroy each other :P |
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| 14:11.32 | hanlon2 | themill: re: " that version will never be in jessie.", iiuc debian releases are somewhat spread out in time. more so than at other distros. and far longer than delta-between openssl releases (for example). my (perhaps unfounded) concern is that I end up with stale *functionality*, even though security issue may be back-patched. |
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| 14:14.11 | petn-randall | hanlon2: Newer is not always better. If you really need software upgrades more than every ~2 years, you'll have to start building your own, or picking a distro with a higher release output. |
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| 14:14.57 | jelly | openssl doesn't move _that_ fast |
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| 14:15.33 | Che-Anarch | SynrG I was hoping I could have something like: "boot_start on runlevel [2345]" I saw similar comments: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/28/Making_scripts_run_at_boot_time_with_Debian |
| 14:15.46 | Che-Anarch | Just not sure how I can do that. |
| 14:15.56 | SynrG | runlevels are pretty much obsolete |
| 14:16.18 | centrx | systemd has laid waste to everything |
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| 14:16.43 | jelly | debian's dealt with them a long time ago before systemd came |
| 14:16.47 | centrx | actually runlevels were kind of obsolete before |
| 14:16.49 | centrx | yeah |
| 14:16.52 | petn-randall | </systemd_rants_kthx> |
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| 14:19.16 | hanlon2 | petn-randall: heh, yeah -- never satisfied! in particular for my Xen server, @ Dom0 I'm heading for as-stock-as-possible Jessie, with Xen 4.5.0 builds from vanilla/upstream sources. Somewhat depends on what pain -- if any -- the lag between Jessie & upstream kernel will cause for Dom0/DomU capabilities -- particularly w.r.t. PVops & hardware passthrough. Still unclear for me, atm. Only way I'll know for sure, is to test. |
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| 14:21.42 | asop | you may want to look for the backports repo, which brings newer versions to stable |
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| 14:23.44 | SynrG | asop: not useful in hanlon2's case. 1.0.2 is only in experimental. nothing goes into backports until it hits testing |
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| 14:24.17 | hanlon2 | SynrG: there's not a backports repo for Jessie, yet, either, is there? |
| 14:24.20 | bababooo | hi, I have debian 7.8 wheezy. how can I install libc6 version 2.14 or higher. I currently have libc6 2.13 |
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| 14:24.31 | SynrG | if it's true that EC is only in 1.0.2 and not going to be in jessie, it seems likely hanlon2 would have to wait until after the stable release before the experimental package is even uploaded to unstable, then migrates to testing before a backport would be made |
| 14:24.56 | SynrG | hanlon2: no. however, you might get away with using the package from experimental. or try a backport of your own, if that's necessary |
| 14:25.01 | SynrG | !ssb |
| 14:25.01 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 14:25.24 | SynrG | hanlon2: backports wouldn't start being created until after the jessie release. |
| 14:25.31 | petn-randall | bababooo: What do you need 2.14 or higher for? |
| 14:25.58 | hanlon2 | SynrG: that'd overwrite the distro-installed openssl (for example)? |
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| 14:26.24 | SynrG | hanlon2: properly made packages upgrade cleanly |
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| 14:26.35 | SynrG | hanlon2: what you call "overwrite" is simply an upgrade |
| 14:27.10 | bababooo | petn-randall, I am trying to install voice plugin for google call phone and libc 2.14 or higher is a required dependency |
| 14:27.16 | SynrG | there are rules for numbering backports that ensure that when the next release happens, the backports cleanly upgrade to the package in the next release |
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| 14:27.48 | hanlon2 | SynrG: interesting. hadn't grokked that yet. in previous distro, overwriting "an openssl" -- with the many system-wide deps -- can be, and usually is, a recipe for disaster. |
| 14:28.18 | SynrG | ,v openssl |
| 14:28.19 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze19; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u14; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u14; sid: 1.0.1k-1; jessie: 1.0.1k-1; experimental: 1.0.2-1 |
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| 14:28.45 | SynrG | hanlon2: indeed, the current absence of any openssl backport for any release may indicate that it's not a good thing to do |
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| 14:29.13 | SynrG | hanlon2: while technically anyone may make a backport, making a backport that doesn't break your system is another matter :p |
| 14:29.56 | SynrG | hanlon2: this is part of what takes debian a while to sort out from one release to the next. switching out a major component for another version is handled in what we call a "transition" |
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| 14:30.28 | SynrG | since those transitions imapact on many different packages, they can take time to work out. there are provisions made to try to avoid conflicts ... |
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| 14:30.46 | SynrG | but it's not entirely without hiccups. |
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| 14:30.54 | tx | Hey guys, after my wifi interface has been brought up and an IP obtained, there's still a dhcp client running in the background trying to request an IP (to no avail). |
| 14:30.55 | petn-randall | bababooo: That won't be possible with wheezy. You can look for an alternative, IIRC google can also be used via SIP clients. |
| 14:31.05 | tx | Anyone have any suggestions as to why? |
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| 14:31.29 | SynrG | hanlon2: i can't say how, historically, openssl transitions have been handled in debian. but that should be a matter of public record and therefore easy for you to investigate. |
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| 14:32.24 | hanlon2 | SynrG: got it. one of the things that got me interested in Debian was that these major component transitions are, or at least I perceive them to be, more thoroughly vetted. i.e., NO "big ass" changes without (a) rollback plans, (b) alternatives, and (c) thorough server-context testing |
| 14:32.32 | petn-randall | tx: the DHCP client runs in the background to retrieve a new lease before the old one runs out. Are you sure it's actively polling for IPs? |
| 14:32.41 | petn-randall | ... to no avail? |
| 14:32.49 | SynrG | hanlon2: as long as there's no abi bump (1.0.2 is a *minor* rev ... surely there's no ABI bump?) it should be trouble free |
| 14:32.50 | tx | I'll grab some log output. |
| 14:33.07 | SynrG | hanlon2: and debian does make provision for ABI bumps by renaming the package and ensuring they *don't* conflict |
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| 14:33.17 | hanlon2 | SynrG: "should be". famous last words ... ;-) |
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| 14:33.22 | SynrG | hanlon2: so the archive can simultaneously contain applications linked against the old and new |
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| 14:33.40 | SynrG | hanlon2: "should be" as in "if it doesn't work this way, it's a release critical bug, and we take those very seriously" |
| 14:34.35 | SynrG | given there does not seem to be an ABI bump for the package in experimental, it should be usable as a drop-in replacement for the ones in testing/unstable |
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| 14:34.45 | SynrG | that being said, experimental is experimental |
| 14:34.55 | SynrG | and anyone using it should understand what the risks are |
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| 14:35.59 | tx | petn-randall: http://pastie.org/private/e6fab6bhyyiejpwfpexliw |
| 14:36.04 | hanlon2 | SynrG: I don't yet know who "we" are in that. Though I do hope/believe the "very seriously" is , well, 'better' than what I've been getting. To be very frank and probly unkind to others, I'm looking for a distro with "adult supervision" on the server-side. I'm 93.26% certain I'm in the right place here. |
| 14:36.12 | SynrG | hanlon2: i'm a debian developer |
| 14:36.31 | SynrG | hanlon2: i would like to also point you at #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net where we speicfically provide support for testing/unstable |
| 14:36.40 | hanlon2 | SynrG: great. "Pleased to meetcha." |
| 14:36.56 | tx | SynrG: Thanks for making Debian so awesome. <3 |
| 14:37.14 | tx | And any others in here that are active. |
| 14:37.16 | SynrG | well, i have just a small part in that. but thanks taken in proxy for all the others who make it awesome :) |
| 14:37.40 | SynrG | i currently maintain no core components of debian |
| 14:38.03 | tx | But yeah, as shown in the lock, I get an IP and then it just keeps making DHCPREQUEST's. |
| 14:38.05 | tx | log* |
| 14:38.42 | bababooo | petn-randall, you can make calls through IIRC google? |
| 14:38.56 | hanlon2 | It's kindof refreshing to not get ranted at for asking questions that reference/compare/contrast 'other distro' ways of doing things. TBH, Debian, Arch & UbuSvr have all been good about that so far. |
| 14:39.00 | tx | Ah wait, renewal in x seconds. |
| 14:39.10 | tx | It's making those requests after the expiry. |
| 14:39.21 | tx | But it never gets a new IP. :\ |
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| 14:39.56 | linux-fox | jessie will release in aprl ? |
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| 14:40.32 | centrx | linux-fox, It's a possibility |
| 14:40.34 | centrx | linux-fox, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00002.html |
| 14:40.59 | SynrG | we're very bad at predicting though. even the release team won't know for certain until the end |
| 14:41.27 | SynrG | ultimately, it will release when ready. our guesses get somewhat better towards the end, but that is all. |
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| 14:42.32 | hanlon2 | If/when a "mere user" finds/reports a production-critical bug in a Debian release that's not necessarily security related, are those bugs fixed in CURRENT release? or is the policy, "other than security, fixes in next version ..."? |
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| 14:42.50 | SynrG | hanlon2: it doesn't matter who finds the bug, for starters. |
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| 14:43.24 | linux-fox | ok |
| 14:43.53 | tx | is there a way to get bug #1? archived perhaps? |
| 14:43.57 | SynrG | hanlon2: and "other than security" is an inaccurate summary |
| 14:44.34 | hanlon2 | SynrG: explain? it my 'current experience, elsewhere' it has been a hug problem. |
| 14:44.43 | hanlon2 | s/in my/ |
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| 14:45.02 | hanlon2 | argh. s/huge/ |
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| 14:45.24 | SynrG | hanlon2: any bug that would render a package partly or wholly useless may be a candidate |
| 14:45.32 | hanlon2 | (and, yes, I'm aware I'm likley being over-paranoid) |
| 14:45.43 | SynrG | although if there's a lot of that sort of thing, a package might simply be removed from the archive |
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| 14:47.24 | hanlon2 | SynrG: understood. I'm thinking mostly re: core functionality -- e.g., kernel, networking stack, mdadm, nfs, xen, systemd. all of which have been / are broken in various scenarios, here. it's been a real nightmare. |
| 14:47.44 | SynrG | there have been some notable exceptions to "no new versions, only backport patches" |
| 14:47.49 | SynrG | web browsers, primarily |
| 14:47.59 | SynrG | ,v chromium |
| 14:48.00 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; sid: 41.0.2272.76-2; jessie: 41.0.2272.76-2 |
| 14:48.11 | hanlon2 | what's a browser? headless servers ftw! |
| 14:48.21 | SynrG | yes, well |
| 14:48.42 | SynrG | but the point is that there's no way a browser such as iceweasel or chromium would still be useful or patchable 2 years later |
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| 14:50.02 | hanlon2 | sure. for desktop, often true. and, for me, I'll likely consider a different distro with more of a bleeding-edge / thrash, for that. tacitcal decision, and I understand the consequences. but, again, for desktop it's a different story. |
| 14:50.10 | z4sk4 | SynrGy: i did a http login for the apt with nginx, i put the ssl too, but no find info for put the same auth http in https too |
| 14:50.31 | centrx | hanlon2, For desktop you can add backports, for example |
| 14:50.36 | SynrG | hanlon2: as for the kernel, it is common for the latest kernel to be provided through backports |
| 14:50.40 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 14:50.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 14:50.57 | SynrG | hanlon2: so here, you can see that it's pretty much tracking what's in jessie. |
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| 14:51.06 | SynrG | for current stable, wheezy. |
| 14:51.49 | hanlon2 | SynrG: got it. but to get 3.19.x in Jessie -- will *its* eventual backports track upstream kernel releases? |
| 14:52.04 | SynrG | z4sk4: don't know. isn't the syntax just the same? |
| 14:52.28 | SynrG | hanlon2: it is likely. |
| 14:52.59 | SynrG | hanlon2: jessie we release with 3.16 and that will be patched with backports from upstream stable releases for security fixes and support of new hardware |
| 14:53.06 | SynrG | s/we/will/ |
| 14:53.27 | SynrG | hanlon2: additionally, jessie-backports will eventually have a backport of latest upstream stable kernel release. |
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| 14:53.54 | SynrG | and that will continue to move forward throughout the next release cycle ... |
| 14:54.04 | SynrG | though of course, without any guarantees as to how quickly. |
| 14:54.15 | hanlon2 | SynrG: then that gets interesting. atm, Xen capabilities are still somewhat closely tied to new Kernel releases -- especially the PVops/PVH 'stuff' |
| 14:54.18 | SynrG | that being said, the kernel team seems to be "reasonably responsive" |
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| 14:57.09 | z4sk4 | SynrGy: it works |
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| 15:09.05 | Walex | as to Xen a few days ago in the #Xen channel one of the lead developers was saying that he is about to start rewriting the hypervisor. |
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| 15:09.47 | hanlon2 | Walex: as in from-ground-up? |
| 15:09.48 | centrx | rewrite it in node.js? |
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| 15:27.42 | Walex | hanlon2: yes, that was was said. |
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| 15:29.00 | Walex | hanlon2: it was in a discussion relating to various ways various chipsets need to be tweaked to mask off CPU features to achieve uniformity. |
| 15:30.01 | Walex | hanlon2: since that was IIRC Andrew Cooper, there is a good chance of that happening. |
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| 15:31.46 | hanlon2 | Walex: JUST when it was starting to work reliably ... ;-) |
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| 15:32.37 | Walex | hanlon2: I think that is meant to be a parallel development, e.g. for version 5.x |
| 15:33.05 | hanlon2 | heh, yep. |
| 15:35.00 | hanlon2 | SynrG: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net , not @ freenode? |
| 15:35.13 | SynrG | yes |
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| 15:36.25 | hanlon2 | thx ( have to find my asbestos shorts b4 heading over to oftc ... ) |
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| 15:38.17 | kbkw | hi together, we are using debuild to create a debian package. what i would like to know: is there a possibility to hand over the package version as an argument to debuild? With package version im talking bout the part behind the minus (3.1.1-2). We need this due to packaging on a build server, and would like to input the release versioning from here. Thx in advance. |
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| 15:39.36 | abrotman | midow: english here please |
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| 15:41.10 | sstan | Would you recommend Debian for a high-availability Xen Cluster? |
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| 15:45.14 | jelly | !jp |
| 15:45.14 | dpkg | Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here. |
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| 15:51.10 | Oscilax | on a preview installation of jessie i added chromium to the system and selected it as default in the settings menu |
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| 15:51.41 | Oscilax | but this time chromium keeps asking me about the default setting. any ideas why? |
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| 15:52.46 | Oscilax | !chromium |
| 15:52.46 | dpkg | Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>. |
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| 15:53.49 | centrx | Oscilax, What is it the message chromium gives? |
| 15:53.55 | plus10 | is it possible to remove the background that has been set with feh? |
| 15:54.24 | Oscilax | "would you like bla bla default browser bla bla" |
| 15:54.42 | centrx | plus10, See the man page, first paragraph under "BACKGROUND SETTING" |
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| 15:55.17 | centrx | Oscilax, Okay it may be a different default, does it go away if you agree or check a box to not ask again? |
| 15:56.17 | Oscilax | well |
| 15:56.47 | Oscilax | as long as the message appears its not the default, right? |
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| 15:58.14 | Oscilax | instead of opening new links in the chromium application that is already running opens a new chromium instance and offers to restore pages |
| 15:58.19 | centrx | Oscilax, There may be a checkbox in the dialog to have it not ask the question again |
| 15:58.37 | centrx | Oscilax, Is it possible you have two chrome/chromium installations on your machine? |
| 15:58.44 | Oscilax | nope |
| 15:59.14 | Oscilax | but i had a crash lately. hmmm, i just remember that i had to killall chromium |
| 16:00.58 | Oscilax | lets see if i delete the config directory |
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| 16:03.20 | z4sk4 | how can i put a a command in the /etc/apt/apt.conf?? like name=`whoami` o i need use a comand to get the name in the conf |
| 16:03.25 | Oscilax | that seems to fix it |
| 16:03.37 | Oscilax | ^ centrx |
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| 16:09.40 | jhutchins | z4sk4: Why would you need a name in apt.conf? |
| 16:10.12 | z4sk4 | jhutchins: experiments, but i need to run a script to put a user-agent to apt |
| 16:10.22 | z4sk4 | only runing the apt |
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| 16:11.48 | jelly | z4sk4: you can't do that. Generate a file in /etc/apt/conf.d/ with your setting(s) before running apt |
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| 16:12.14 | jelly | make that /etc/apt/apt.conf.d sorry |
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| 16:22.34 | naftilos76 | Hi i want to find a process that the executable/script's name contains a certain string. I know how to do it with ps aux | grep "string" . I do not like this way because it returns itself as well. Is there another way? |
| 16:22.53 | ChrisH | naftilos76: man pgrep |
| 16:23.01 | naftilos76 | thanks |
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| 16:23.26 | Adalid_Negro | good day, someone has been stuck with mysql-apt-config like I am? |
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| 16:24.06 | Adalid_Negro | It shows me tree options of server files, but nothing happens when I choose anyone-... |
| 16:24.33 | Adalid_Negro | My apt is stuck and I don't know what suppose that i must do |
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| 16:28.14 | Oscilax | Adalid_Negro: stuck how? what is the status or error message? |
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| 16:31.34 | Adalid_Negro | no error message |
| 16:31.54 | Adalid_Negro | just a configuration box where is asking me: |
| 16:32.49 | Adalid_Negro | which server version do you wish to receive |
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| 16:33.22 | Adalid_Negro | and tree options, but when I choose just show the same box |
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| 16:33.29 | Oscilax | Adalid_Negro: i am not sure if i fully understand. you are trying to make a choice which debian version is going to be installed? |
| 16:33.31 | Adalid_Negro | do you want that i do a screenshoot? |
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| 16:33.50 | Adalid_Negro | No, I was upgrading my system |
| 16:34.18 | Oscilax | how did you upgrade? |
| 16:34.29 | Adalid_Negro | and into the upgrade was a package called "mysql-apt-config" |
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| 16:34.43 | Adalid_Negro | apt-get update && apt-get-upgrade |
| 16:34.45 | Adalid_Negro | just as ususal |
| 16:34.46 | SKlogo | Hi, I'm currently running Debian 7.8, will I break anything if i stop python from listening on tcp port 4966 O_o |
| 16:34.56 | Oscilax | ah! now we are one step further. let me see |
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| 16:35.34 | centrx | SKlogo, You should find out what program is listening, Python is just a programming language/interpreter |
| 16:35.48 | SKlogo | centrx: How would I go about that? O_o |
| 16:35.56 | jelly | SKlogo: figure out what that process is doing and what started it, before killing it |
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| 16:36.31 | centrx | SKlogo, lsof |grep 4966 ? |
| 16:36.44 | SKlogo | centrx: Okay :) |
| 16:37.06 | centrx | SKlogo, Also Google search suggests it could be "PlayOnLinux" |
| 16:37.33 | jelly | SKlogo: start by looking at its command line: "ps -o command -p PIDHERE" and its open files: "lsof -np PIDHERE" |
| 16:37.42 | Oscilax | Adalid_Negro: on the web i only see the solution to remove the mysql related packages and re-install it. but maybe somebody else knows a better wa |
| 16:37.46 | Oscilax | way |
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| 16:38.31 | SKlogo | jelly: It's keepnote O_o |
| 16:39.14 | SKlogo | that's really strange |
| 16:39.19 | Adalid_Negro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.43 | Adalid_Negro | And in fact apt is lock and is not a trivial thing to uninnstall just in that moment |
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| 16:42.35 | Oscilax | Adalid_Negro: i would abort with CTRL+C, run dpkg-reconfigure mysql-apt-config and see how that goes |
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| 16:43.02 | Oscilax | or was exactly that the question, hmmm |
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| 16:44.27 | Adalid_Negro | is exactly the same |
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| 16:44.30 | Adalid_Negro | i did it |
| 16:45.00 | Oscilax | that means you need help with the choice which major mysql release should be installed by apt? |
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| 16:46.28 | Adalid_Negro | no, it is not important, just that it works in anyway |
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| 16:48.29 | Adalid_Negro | the package * is broken or not totally installed |
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| 16:50.27 | Oscilax | Adalid_Negro: you can try "apt-get -f install" to go on with the install |
| 16:51.43 | Oscilax | and for mysql server i would choose version 5.5 |
| 16:51.44 | Adalid_Negro | I'll try |
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| 16:52.15 | Adalid_Negro | system command me do dpkg --configure -a |
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| 16:53.04 | Oscilax | yeah, right. because that mysql-apt-config part is not fully configured |
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| 16:54.03 | hanlon2 | found my fist (maybe)gotcha. jessie ships kernel 3.16. for Xen Dom0, to boot from UEFI bios, needs CONFIG_XEN_EFI=y set in kernel config. THAT is only, apparently, available ins kernel v>= 3.17. I.e., unless it's been backported (not sure where to look for that info yet), and iiuc, that suggest jessie can't be used to boot as Xen Dom0 on a UEFI mobo. |
| 16:54.24 | jelly | wtf is mysql-apt-config anyway? |
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| 16:54.49 | jelly | ,v mysql-apt-config |
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| 16:54.50 | judd | No package named 'mysql-apt-config' was found in i386. |
| 16:54.51 | Adalid_Negro | yes |
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| 16:55.30 | Adalid_Negro | jelly: do you know something about this error? |
| 16:55.46 | Adalid_Negro | judd: I'm in a 64 bit SO |
| 16:56.17 | jelly | Adalid_Negro: I do not, where did you get that package from? It does not seem to exist in Debian. |
| 16:56.33 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:56.34 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:56.53 | Adalid_Negro | debian 8 common repo for 64 bits |
| 16:57.44 | jelly | Adalid_Negro: that package is not present in Debian 8. |
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| 16:57.53 | Oscilax | the mysql.org website offers it, right? |
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| 16:58.37 | jelly | Adalid_Negro: please put all the info dpkg asked above into a pastebin. |
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| 17:00.27 | Adalid_Negro | the issue is that, when I do "dpkg --configure -a" it shows me a box |
| 17:00.45 | Adalid_Negro | I stuck in that dialog box and i cann't read the console at that time |
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| 17:01.57 | jelly | Adalid_Negro: you could make a screenshot of that box, exit it using Ctrl-C or kill it from outside, and pastebin all the other information |
| 17:02.47 | jelly | (or maybe you can't ^C it any more because apt developers decided to ignore that signal) |
| 17:02.55 | Adalid_Negro | ok I send a screenshot, however ctrl-c is not working, i needed to perform a kill -9 |
| 17:03.03 | jelly | yeah |
| 17:03.18 | jelly | don't forget all the other information that dpkg asked forl. |
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| 17:04.25 | Adalid_Negro | http://imgur.com/hDHlVNZ |
| 17:04.40 | Adalid_Negro | is the left side of the screen |
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| 17:04.47 | Oscilax | jelly: thanks for picking it up |
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| 17:05.47 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 17:05.48 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 17:06.22 | jelly | Adalid_Negro: and output of "LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy mysql-apt-config" and "LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy" |
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| 17:12.11 | Adalid_Negro | http://paste.debian.net/161577/ |
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| 17:13.25 | zirra | hey all |
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| 17:13.35 | jelly | Adalid_Negro: so it's a custom package you got from somewhere. Do you need it? |
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| 17:13.46 | zirra | i need debian with gnome |
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| 17:14.08 | zirra | ive downd the dvd1 isnt there an other image |
| 17:14.20 | Adalid_Negro | mmm maybe it was installed when I installed mysql workbench... |
| 17:14.25 | zirra | i dont like the gui very much |
| 17:14.47 | mtn | zirra: there is a netinstall and the basic installer chooses gnome by default |
| 17:15.27 | zirra | yes isnt there an image that looks more like kali or so |
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| 17:15.55 | mtn | zirra: no idea what you are looking for. the debian installer looks like the debian installer. there is only one debian installer. |
| 17:16.01 | SynrGy | we support debian. we don't know what kali looks like. can you be specific about your needs? |
| 17:17.02 | SynrGy | maybe kali is gnome2-based? or mate-based? i have no idea. |
| 17:17.03 | zirra | the gui looks like bullshit im normally use lxde but must change cause of some programms dont work there |
| 17:17.22 | SynrGy | thanks for crapping on debian. i think i'm not interested in supporting you today. |
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| 17:17.32 | SynrGy | maybe some others here are |
| 17:17.57 | zirra | not on debian just on the gui but ok |
| 17:18.16 | mtn | zirra: what gui? what are you talking about? |
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| 17:18.29 | abrotman | He didn't even say which version of Debian he's using |
| 17:18.38 | zirra | the newest |
| 17:18.44 | zirra | 7.8 or so |
| 17:18.59 | mtn | newest what? installed or just the installer? what are you talking about? |
| 17:19.38 | abrotman | zirra: Debian has probably 50 WMs and DEs packaged .. choose the one you want to use, don't just whine |
| 17:20.03 | zirra | ok im confused about many os use gnome but everywhere it looks diff |
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| 17:20.45 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 17:20.51 | jelly | I heard Gnome had themes. |
| 17:20.59 | petn-randall | zirra: They come with different themes by default? |
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| 17:21.28 | abrotman | Or they use different releases of Gnome .. |
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| 17:22.00 | zirra | hmm |
| 17:22.12 | zirra | i make some research nd came back |
| 17:23.05 | zirra | ps ive never wanna be "crapping " on debian then im werent here |
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| 17:26.21 | MarkMorse | hello |
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| 17:38.19 | hotwings | just installed systemd on debian and it had a problem: http://pastie.org/10030919 |
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| 17:40.27 | jelly | hotwings: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 17:40.59 | Bremsstrahlung | I was given a tar.bz2 file and I was told to use the package manager to install the program -- how would I do this? |
| 17:41.02 | hotwings | Linux ZOTAC 3.19.1.build.20150315.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Mar 15 18:57:27 PDT 2015 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:41.33 | jelly | hotwings: you custom kernel might be missing Linux capabilities support, like in eg. https://bugs.debian.org/742229 |
| 17:41.36 | jelly | your* |
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| 17:43.09 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: are the contents of said tar.bz2 one or more .deb files perhaps? |
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| 17:43.42 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly, two folders, 'bin' and 'share'. |
| 17:43.44 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: if not, what's in there and who told you that? |
| 17:43.54 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly, with of course, more files in said folders. |
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| 17:44.12 | hotwings | i dont mind recompiling the kernel but i didnt see anything in that url about what could be missing |
| 17:44.44 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: in that case the instructions do not seem to apply for debian's packaging system |
| 17:45.11 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: Huh? Let me show you the web page. |
| 17:46.37 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?show_all=1 "Built for Debian 7.0 (Wheezy). It is highly recommended to use the package management system of your distribution or to manually compile FileZilla if you are running a different flavour of Linux." |
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| 17:49.09 | petn-randall | !tell hotwings -about crosspost |
| 17:49.11 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: I'm reading "use the packaged filezilla from your distro if you can, but if you cannot, use these files, that were built in a Debian 7.0 system and are compatible with it" |
| 17:50.00 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: Debian wheezy has an older version; this is a trend I am noticing with Debian, the stable repos always have some old version. |
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| 17:50.11 | Bremsstrahlung | I wanted to use the latest stable version of FileZilla. |
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| 17:52.23 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: then go unpack it someplace and use it, then |
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| 17:52.39 | jelly | redundant word is redundant |
| 17:53.28 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly, but with that file, how would I do precisely that? Because this is a tar.bz2 file with two folders in it, and I don't see any .deb files that GDebi will accept. |
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| 17:54.04 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: just make a directory, eg. /opt/filezilla, and unpack stuff there. |
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| 17:54.51 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: So, just take it out of the tarball and run the executable? |
| 17:55.29 | jelly | take everything out into a separate prefix so it does not mix with other, packaged stuff, and run the executable, yes |
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| 17:56.45 | Bremsstrahlung | Wow, neat, it worked. |
| 17:56.50 | Bremsstrahlung | I thought it wasn't this easy. |
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| 17:58.23 | Bremsstrahlung | Oh, crap. |
| 17:58.37 | Bremsstrahlung | FileZilla doesn't accept keyfiles with passphrases? |
| 17:58.57 | Arrowmaster | it should work with an ssh-agent |
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| 17:59.14 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah. Windows has Pageant for that -- I wonder what I can use for Debian. |
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| 17:59.41 | Arrowmaster | ssh-agent or you might already have whatever gnome and kde use |
| 17:59.50 | Arrowmaster | i think gnome is seahorse |
| 18:00.04 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 18:00.06 | Bremsstrahlung | I wonder what Xfce has. |
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| 18:03.58 | jelly | I don't mind old versions of stuff in Debian because new stuff has new bugs. |
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| 18:04.20 | jelly | old stuff usually has a known set of bugs. |
| 18:04.24 | Bremsstrahlung | Old stuff has old bugs that new stuff fixes. |
| 18:04.35 | Bremsstrahlung | And old stuff is generally more vulnerable/less secure? |
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| 18:04.50 | jelly | generally no. |
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| 18:05.02 | Bremsstrahlung | How come. :o |
| 18:05.09 | jelly | debian has a security team that does its job |
| 18:05.30 | Bremsstrahlung | But do they keep track of all packages in all the repos? |
| 18:05.35 | jelly | yes. |
| 18:05.39 | Bremsstrahlung | Because that is a large amount of stuff. |
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| 18:05.41 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 18:05.41 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 18:05.47 | Bremsstrahlung | O.O |
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| 18:06.56 | jelly | it's kind of important that vulnerabilities get CVE numbers assigned, or else bugs might get ignored |
| 18:07.23 | jelly | eg. I've been told that znc in debian 7 was horribly buggy and insecure. |
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| 18:09.16 | jelly | but https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/znc only shows one issue unfixed |
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| 18:09.30 | koowgnojeel | Hi jelly :) |
| 18:09.44 | jelly | hello there |
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| 18:11.45 | koowgnojeel | LjL, :) |
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| 18:12.24 | koowgnojeel | I love Debian. :x |
| 18:12.54 | LjL | ruffles koowgnojeel |
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| 18:17.22 | hamn | hi, how can i install mplayer from deb-multimedia? |
| 18:17.30 | hamn | i have mplayer 2 installed right now and want to remove it |
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| 18:17.54 | koowgnojeel | Cool |
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| 18:18.29 | koowgnojeel | I have mplayer and works fine. |
| 18:18.40 | koowgnojeel | I use Debian7 @_@ |
| 18:18.44 | hamn | but i need the one from deb-multimedia |
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| 18:19.06 | koowgnojeel | Because of codec ? |
| 18:19.29 | koowgnojeel | Sorry :) |
| 18:19.42 | koowgnojeel | <-- plain(?) user. |
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| 18:25.00 | hamn | i am trying to install mplayer and i get an error: mplayer : Depends: libdvdnav4 (>= 4.2.0+20120524) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:25.05 | hamn | do you know how to fix this? |
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| 18:27.24 | hamn | any ideas? |
| 18:27.50 | ctmjr | ,v libdvdnav4 |
| 18:27.50 | koowgnojeel | hamn, Why do you want to have mplayer from deb-multimedia ? |
| 18:27.51 | judd | Package: libdvdnav4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.3-7; wheezy: 4.2.0+20120524-2; wheezy-backports: 5.0.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.0.1-1; sid: 5.0.1-1; experimental: 5.0.1-3 |
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| 18:28.18 | hamn | i just want n mplayer that works haha |
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| 18:28.37 | hamn | but i dont wanna install nonstandard packages/repos |
| 18:28.44 | ch077179 | I never understood what this "... but is not going to be installed" is supposed to mean |
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| 18:29.25 | ch077179 | if it's a dependency just effing install it. Or is it re the requested package? |
| 18:29.25 | hamn | how can i fix this broken dep? |
| 18:29.49 | hamn | im trying to install mplayer, and i get the error about libdvdnav4 |
| 18:29.59 | hamn | so in the meantime i installed mplayer2 |
| 18:30.08 | hamn | but i want the regular mplayer because of a bug in mplayer2 |
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| 18:30.33 | hamn | so how can i get mplayer to install given that error? |
| 18:32.07 | hamn | i want to avoid deb-multimedia |
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| 18:33.49 | koowgnojeel | hamn, I see. You want to remove mplayer2 |
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| 18:34.31 | hamn | yes, and install regular mplayer |
| 18:34.46 | koowgnojeel | hamn, Do you know how to use terminal ? |
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| 18:35.14 | hamn | yea |
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| 18:35.48 | koowgnojeel | hamn, Do you know how to use '... apt-get remove ...' <-- This command ? didn't work with this way ? |
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| 18:36.00 | hamn | yea |
| 18:37.00 | koowgnojeel | hamn, What about '.. apt-get install mplayer .. ' ? |
| 18:37.16 | hamn | yea thats what gave me that libdvdnav4 error |
| 18:37.31 | koowgnojeel | I see @_@ just wanted make sure. |
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| 18:39.08 | koowgnojeel | squeeze <-- is this version 6 ? |
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| 18:39.52 | koowgnojeel | wheezy squeeze all names confuse me. :P don't know what's newer with its name. |
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| 18:41.11 | koowgnojeel | hamn, Sorry I keep asking you without giving you any help :P |
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| 18:44.43 | balin_ | Installed stable (with backport 3.16) on a dell xps 15 9530. Can't get wifi to work. "rfkill list" keeps showing "Hard blocked: yes" and "Fn - PrtScr" (with the wireless icon) isn't changing any of that. Does anybody know what keyboard layout I shoudl use? Tried all dell variations offered by "dpk-reconfigure keyboard-configuration", but no luck. |
| 18:44.43 | koowgnojeel | I have $ cat /etc/debian_version -> 7.8 @_@ and in sources.list http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WfVwW2bG |
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| 18:45.56 | koowgnojeel | hamn, What's your version ? |
| 18:46.42 | hamn | MPlayer2 UNKNOWN (C) 2000-2012 MPlayer Team |
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| 18:47.28 | koowgnojeel | hamn, run this command in terminal --> cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:47.53 | hamn | 7.8 |
| 18:48.39 | koowgnojeel | what about this, don't paste this on IRC --> cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:48.57 | koowgnojeel | hamn, I have 7.8 too. and http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WfVwW2bG |
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| 18:49.45 | ctmjr | hamn: have you tried to install libdvdnav4? |
| 18:50.03 | Raazeer | hi all, still trouble with systemd, it hangs at something or other .device, where is that configured? |
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| 18:51.14 | Raazeer | does anyone here know their way around systemd? |
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| 18:53.45 | Raazeer | if nobody here knows anything about systemd and testing rolls over into stable, who's going to help the myriads of troubled users and admins trying to figure out why their system is suddenly behaving all different? |
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| 18:57.17 | Raazeer | this won't end well... |
| 18:57.25 | koowgnojeel | @_@ |
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| 18:57.44 | koowgnojeel | <-- home user |
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| 19:00.58 | teraflops | Raazeer: offering detailed information on your issue could help |
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| 19:03.21 | Raazeer | teraflops, I've got some crypto devices in system, and while the - for want of a better term - master task waits forevever, some dev-mapper-something/something.device time out and fail the boot. |
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| 19:04.11 | gattler | hi, how can i reattach to a running network installation? |
| 19:04.15 | teraflops | Raazeer: i vaguely remember read something about your kernel, is not an stock kernel? |
| 19:04.17 | teraflops | a* |
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| 19:04.20 | Raazeer | teraflops, I'm looking for a way to configure those tasks to wait forever as well, but I can't find where the files concerning that are. |
| 19:04.21 | acz32 | what should i do if my clock is 1 hour ahead of time? i ran #dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and it's set to the correct time zone |
| 19:04.27 | Raazeer | teraflops, no, my kernel is stock. |
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| 19:04.58 | centrx | acz32, Something about daylight savings time? |
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| 19:05.43 | acz32 | centrx: but it's 1 hour too fast. if it didn't update when daylight savings time went into effect, it should be 1 hour behind |
| 19:05.51 | acz32 | either way, how would i check that? |
| 19:06.23 | centrx | I don't know, you might be trying to change the timeline |
| 19:06.23 | teraflops | Raazeer: and what makes you think is systemd related and not pebkac |
| 19:06.32 | Raazeer | teraflops, I've already found out that by systemctl --type device --all I can list them, but I still don't have any configuration files I can edit. |
| 19:07.04 | Raazeer | teraflops, because the p didn't e b k a c before I foolishly updated to testing. |
| 19:07.25 | Raazeer | neither b k a c nor anywhere I should say. |
| 19:07.44 | teraflops | Raazeer: thats an assumtion, where you using systemd in wheezy too? |
| 19:07.57 | teraflops | that's an assumption* |
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| 19:08.25 | teraflops | sorry as you can see my english is shitty |
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| 19:09.05 | Raazeer | teraflops, no, I didn't use systemd in wheezy. Another not-an-assumption is that I see the waiting message for certain targets(?) in the console, one without a timeout, two with. |
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| 19:09.57 | Raazeer | teraflops, if I understand correctly, either all three targets (which are definitely related to the same crypto device btw) should wait indefinitely, or else the two with the timeout should be configured to run after the one without. |
| 19:10.31 | teraflops | Raazeer: please, stop assuing things then and explain the _real_ problem, because apart some crypto device and some systemctl whatever i didnt see any detailed info |
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| 19:10.46 | teraflops | assuming* |
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| 19:13.30 | mactimes | teraflops Raazeer I've faced problems with latest version of crypto devices, while running migration tests for the servers I manage. I ended up solving them by trial and error, due to undocumented features/bugs/whatever. What tools are you using for crypto devices? |
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| 19:14.27 | mactimes | teraflops Raazeer Btw, the main problem I faced was the inability of crypto tools to mount the devices by UUID, but there were also parametrization issues. |
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| 19:15.12 | mactimes | Now, Raazeer, what exactly is the problem you're facing? |
| 19:15.18 | Raazeer | mactimes, teraflops, the problem is that two tasks during by boot - by the names of dev-mapper-home_crypt.device and dev-mapper-vghome\x2dhome.device time out if the password isn't entered in time. A third task of which I ASSUME - really do this time - it's some sort of "ask-for-the-password" task is configured to wait forevever. |
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| 19:16.24 | mactimes | Raazeer Are you able to boot into the system in single user mode (maintenance mode)? |
| 19:16.33 | Raazeer | mactimes, teraflops, what I'd like to do is configure said tasks to wait forever too, but I can't find config files for them. |
| 19:16.47 | hamn | ctmjr: i tried to install libdvdnav4 |
| 19:17.06 | Raazeer | mactimes, as long as I enter the password in time, the system boots normally, if I DON'T for some reason enter it in time, the system locks up completely and doesn't even enter maintenance mode. |
| 19:17.09 | hamn | ctmjr: it says "libdvdnav4 is already the newest version." |
| 19:17.12 | mactimes | Raazeer What tools did you use to set up the crypto device(s) your trying to unlock/mount? |
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| 19:17.27 | hamn | ctmjr: but when i try to install mplayer, i get the broken dep error on thispackage |
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| 19:19.34 | Raazeer | mactimes, problem here is, I didn't. The boot process automatically unlocks crypto disks in crypttab during boot, and it worked fine before the migration to systemd - which is NOT an assumption. |
| 19:20.03 | mactimes | Raazeer What release are you currently running? |
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| 19:20.32 | teraflops | mactimes: I use dm-crypt with loop-aes but I do not use debian for that |
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| 19:22.03 | ctmjr | hamn: is mplayer2 still installed? |
| 19:22.10 | Raazeer | mactimes, I'm currently on testing. |
| 19:22.12 | mactimes | teraflops All my systems (my own, my customers, servers or workstations run Debian). |
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| 19:22.16 | teraflops | Raazeer: hey sorry, i just point you the fact that you didnt provide detailed information |
| 19:22.23 | mactimes | Raazeer Right. I thought so. |
| 19:22.37 | hamn | ctmjr: yes |
| 19:22.38 | mactimes | Raazeer Do you have sensitive data on those encrypted partitions? |
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| 19:23.01 | hamn | ctmjr: i want to uninstall it and install regular mplayer by fixing the libdvdnav4 dependency |
| 19:23.09 | pcplod | How can I install Python 2.7.9? I assume I can't overwrite 2.7.3 (which is the system default). I see it's available in Jessie. |
| 19:23.14 | mactimes | Raazeer Or you're trying to set it up for learning purposes? |
| 19:23.19 | Raazeer | mactimes, yes I do, just out of curiosity: what would you have suggested if I had said no? |
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| 19:23.38 | Raazeer | mactimes, no, those are my live stores. |
| 19:24.15 | koowgnojeel | ctmjr, hamn can this help ? --> grep install /var/log/dpkg.log (List packages by installation date) |
| 19:24.30 | Raazeer | mactimes, and before you ask: had I had the foggiest idea what I would get into with the update to jessie, I'd have taken wheezy to my grave with me. |
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| 19:24.43 | pcplod | This is the package I'm trying to install. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python2.7 |
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| 19:24.54 | pcplod | Ah actually ... I've not added the repos. Might be why |
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| 19:25.00 | centrx | hamn, Try uninstalling mplayer2 first |
| 19:25.05 | centrx | hamn, Always makes sense to do the uninstall first |
| 19:25.07 | ctmjr | hamn: you can only have one or the other they conflict with each other remove mplayer2 first then try to install the old mplayer |
| 19:25.20 | mactimes | Raazeer Well, then, here are some tips: 1) DO NOT play with 'testing' on live, production or sensitive/important data. 2) Backup (if possible, make an image of disks) your data prior to any tests. |
| 19:25.21 | teraflops | isn't mplayer2 abandoned? |
| 19:25.37 | mactimes | Raazeer But, well, what I'd recommend you *now* is downgrade. |
| 19:25.43 | centrx | pcplod, You can't just install the jessie version in wheezy without upgrading your system |
| 19:25.48 | hamn | ctmjr: ok, im uninstalling mplayer |
| 19:25.53 | hamn | mplayer2* |
| 19:26.16 | pcplod | centrx: Ah. |
| 19:26.18 | Raazeer | mactimes, seriously |
| 19:26.37 | mactimes | Raazeer I haven't answered me yet: Are you able to boot into the system under maintenance/single mode? |
| 19:26.40 | centrx | pcplod, upgrading your system is not a bad option, but that's what you would be doing |
| 19:26.50 | hamn | ctmjr: ok, mplayer2 is removed |
| 19:26.53 | hamn | ctmjr: now what? |
| 19:27.10 | pcplod | centrx: would that mean I'd be using Jessie and not Wheezy after upgrade? |
| 19:27.10 | mactimes | Raazeer I can try and help you further, but only if you can boot it up and log in. |
| 19:27.11 | Raazeer | mactimes, I am able to boot into the system normally and then enter maintenance mode by issuing init 1. does that help? |
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| 19:27.23 | centrx | teraflops, mpv is the good successor to mplayer in jessie |
| 19:27.34 | hamn | im getting the same issue as before (libdvdnav4 dep issue) when i try to install mplayer |
| 19:27.52 | centrx | pcplod, Yes, but you should upgrade the entire system first |
| 19:27.53 | mactimes | Raazeer Just confirming: You CAN boot into the system normally, without maintenance mode? |
| 19:28.14 | centrx | pcplod, bringing in all the dependencies by installing one package is likely to leave you with a partial upgrade that would cause problems |
| 19:28.20 | srbaker | heya folks |
| 19:28.48 | srbaker | what's the lowest level way to re-map right alt to Compose? |
| 19:29.09 | hamn | ctmjr: any idea? |
| 19:29.09 | srbaker | prefer not a gnome-specific, or even x-specific solution. |
| 19:29.14 | pcplod | I think I'll stay clear of the upgrade. I'm just trying to get Python 2.7.9 installed as some of the packages I'm using require an upgrade. |
| 19:29.38 | pcplod | urllib3 and SSL being one of them |
| 19:29.43 | teraflops | centrx: yeah I use mpv extensively |
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| 19:30.51 | koowgnojeel | hamn, If I were you I would carefully remove what I have installed one by one and would find out related programs( programs that use that dependency ) - check what you have installed first. $ grep install /var/log/dpkg.log (Sorry, best idea from me.) |
| 19:31.06 | bazhang | ,v smplayer |
| 19:31.07 | judd | Package: smplayer on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u1; sid: 14.9.0~ds0-1; jessie: 14.9.0~ds0-1 |
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| 19:31.18 | bazhang | use that with mpv^ |
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| 19:31.53 | hamn | i have work to do...i dont have time to sit here and debug my OS... |
| 19:31.59 | hamn | is there any other way to do this? |
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| 19:32.07 | bazhang | no debug necessary |
| 19:32.08 | hamn | can i find who depends on libdvdnav4? |
| 19:32.36 | bazhang | you want to do what? rip some drm'd dvd? |
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| 19:32.53 | hamn | no. i dont even explicitly need libdvdnav4 |
| 19:32.57 | hamn | im not doing any of that |
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| 19:33.05 | hamn | i just want simpler mplayer that can play mp3s |
| 19:33.10 | hamn | simple* |
| 19:33.22 | bazhang | ,v audacious |
| 19:33.24 | judd | Package: audacious on i386 -- squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2.4-1; jessie: 3.5-2; sid: 3.5-2; sid-multimedia: 3.6-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: 3.6-dmo2 |
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| 19:33.36 | hamn | is mplayer not supported well on Debian? |
| 19:33.48 | bazhang | sure it is |
| 19:33.51 | centrx | it works fine |
| 19:34.25 | bazhang | I'd say it's just about the best piece of software ever |
| 19:34.37 | hamn | i just wanna use mplayer |
| 19:34.45 | hamn | but how can i fix the dependency issue on my system? |
| 19:34.50 | hamn | with libdvdnav4? |
| 19:34.57 | Raazeer | mactimes, as long as I enter the password for the share in time, I can boot the system normally, yes. |
| 19:35.02 | bazhang | could we see your sources.list |
| 19:35.06 | centrx | hamn, These dependency issues are usually because of using third-party repositories or mixing Debian releases |
| 19:36.20 | hamn | heres my sources: http://pastebin.com/mLt2hqCw |
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| 19:39.31 | hamn | do you all see anything wierd in my sources list? |
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| 19:39.46 | centrx | no it looks legit |
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| 19:39.59 | bazhang | what about sources.list.d |
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| 19:40.11 | centrx | It could conceivably be an incompatible package from backports that needs to be updated or downgraded |
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| 19:40.26 | gattler | does anyone know howto re-connect to a disconnected debian network installer? |
| 19:40.42 | mactimes | Raazeer I'll tell you what: If you can wait about 10 minutes, I can try to set up a VM here to reproduce what you're going through and see if I can help you. |
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| 19:42.06 | mactimes | Raazeer What do you say? |
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| 19:42.39 | hamn | centrx: how would i fix that? |
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| 19:43.55 | centrx | hamn, Check the sources.list.d first as bazhang said |
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| 19:44.49 | Raazeer | mactimes, sounds good, but it's going to be tricky. |
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| 19:45.20 | hamn | sources.list.d folder is empty |
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| 19:46.25 | mactimes | Raazeer Your installation was based on LVM + Crypt, Wheezy (before upgrading), right? |
| 19:46.36 | Raazeer | mactimes, basicly, yes. |
| 19:46.50 | mactimes | Raazeer What flavour (architecture)? |
| 19:46.59 | Raazeer | pvs on luks crypto devices. arch is amd64. |
| 19:47.56 | mactimes | Raazeer Right. Just the problem I had in the past. Unfortunately, it's been some time since then. I don't remember by heart what I had to do to fix it. So, hold on a sec. I'll set up the VM here. |
| 19:48.10 | Raazeer | mactimes, if I understand the situation correctly, I'm trying to solve an ordering issue - a race to use the lingo - between the two .device tasks and the password prompt. |
| 19:48.37 | centrx | hamn, What is the full output when you do: apt-get install mplayer |
| 19:48.42 | nell | I'm having boot issues with my encrypted lvm clone |
| 19:48.46 | nell | during boot it says |
| 19:48.54 | nell | Volume group "XXXXX" not found |
| 19:48.59 | nell | skipping volume group XXXXX |
| 19:49.05 | nell | unable to find LVM volume XXXXX/root |
| 19:49.10 | Raazeer | mactimes, my initial knee-jerk reaction would be to disable the timeout for the .device tasks. not elegant but it would work. |
| 19:49.39 | hamn | centrx: http://pastebin.com/cEyMRWsh |
| 19:49.55 | mactimes | Raazeer Can you pastebin your crypttab? |
| 19:50.22 | centrx | hamn, dpkg -l libdvdnav4 ? apt-cache policy libdvdnav4 ? |
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| 19:50.57 | master | what is the text-only installer called? |
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| 19:51.24 | hamn | centrx: http://pastebin.com/jrWWSqA1 |
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| 19:52.26 | centrx | hamn, It's almost like it's not recognizing that 5.0.1-1~bpo70+1 (which is from backports) meets the condition Depends: libdvdnav4 (>= 4.2.0+20120524) |
| 19:52.44 | Raazeer | mactimes, I don't see why not: home_crypt UUID=c397c371-0d89-48d7-a448-797dd5d195c9 none luks |
| 19:52.45 | hamn | hmm thats wierd |
| 19:53.14 | mactimes | Raazeer Ok. I think I just remembered. |
| 19:53.18 | hamn | centrx: how can we fix that? |
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| 19:53.33 | Raazeer | mactimes, actually that's only the device creating the trouble, but it should work if you have either of the late-mounted devices on an encrypted PV. |
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| 19:53.43 | centrx | hamn, You could try uninstalling libdvdnav4, but something else you installed from backports may depend on it |
| 19:53.59 | hamn | how can i find out what depends on it? |
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| 19:54.24 | mactimes | Raazeer I made 2 changes there, as per what I remember I saw on log files and the crypttab itself |
| 19:54.27 | centrx | hamn, try uninstalling it and dpkg/apt will complain if something depends on it |
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| 19:54.49 | hamn | centrx: yea i tried to uninstall it, and it was trying to uninstall all of KDE! |
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| 19:55.08 | mactimes | Raazeer First thing, I had to replace the UUID with the device mapper path, as it wasn't being able to recognize the UUID of my volumes. |
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| 19:55.52 | Raazeer | mactimes, that part of it seems to work though. |
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| 19:56.01 | hamn | centrx: it wants to uninstall the whole system! http://pastebin.com/ViRtQz6Q |
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| 19:56.07 | Raazeer | I guess I could try though... |
| 19:56.07 | master | anybody know what the text-only installer in debian iso is called? |
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| 19:57.02 | mactimes | Raazeer Second: I don't know why, luks was not being properly recognized in the crypttab file. I replaced it by 'plain' or something like that. But there also a third thing I just remembered. There is a keyword to force waiting for the password. Let me check the manual here quickly. |
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| 19:57.57 | SKlogo | So I just removed a ton of extra crap that was not needed from my wheezy 7.8 system with synaptic, and now when I attempt to apt-get auto remove, i get this: http://pastebin.com/w83ypvDj |
| 19:57.57 | mactimes | Raazeer That last one is what you're really interested in, right? It's currently mounting OK, just not waiting for the password, right? |
| 19:57.57 | SKlogo | Something about this doesn't seem right |
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| 19:58.53 | hamn | centrx: isnt that weird? why does it wanna uninstall everything? |
| 19:59.15 | SKlogo | for instance gnome-disk-utility O_o i never removed that and I never saw it as a dependency |
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| 19:59.36 | Raazeer | mactimes, exactly. and the point is, the actual password prompt task _is_ waiting indefinitely, but in parallel, the tasks depending on it time out. |
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| 20:01.16 | Raazeer | mactimes, so either the two tasks running in parallel should be configured to run AFTER the password prompt, or they should be configured to wait indefinitely too. |
| 20:01.34 | mactimes | Raazeer Hummm. But can you enter the password AFTER the dependent tasks time out? I mean, does it still accept the password and unlock the device? If yes, the problem is not in the crypto device configuration itself, but in the dependency of those tasks. If no, the problem might be in the crypto configuration itself. |
| 20:01.42 | brotherBox | Hi, is there a way to get gnutls 3 to install in wheezy via apt-get? |
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| 20:02.28 | Raazeer | mactimes, nope, after the tasks time out, the boot is considered failed. And I definitely think the actual problem is task ordering. |
| 20:02.47 | mactimes | Raazeer Hold on. I'm setting up the VM for some tests. |
| 20:02.58 | SKlogo | omg, i think i just destroyed my entire system lmfao |
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| 20:03.21 | Raazeer | mactimes, oh yes: it still seems to try to bring the system into the rescue mode, but for some reason it doesn't offer up the prompt to enter the maintenance password. |
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| 20:04.13 | jhutchins | brotherBox: gnutils? |
| 20:04.26 | syntroPi | which would be the recommended GUI for fetching updates on Jessie in Gnome? |
| 20:04.27 | centrx | hamn, You probably just have a lot of backports things installed, that's fine, don't uninstall |
| 20:04.34 | jhutchins | brotherBox: Oh, tls. |
| 20:04.51 | centrx | hamn, There's a web of interdependencies, e.g. something in KDE must depend on libdvdnav4 |
| 20:04.53 | hamn | centrx: i already unbinstalled mplayer2 |
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| 20:04.57 | centrx | ok |
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| 20:05.11 | jhutchins | ,v gnutls-bin |
| 20:05.12 | judd | Package: gnutls-bin on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.8.6-1+squeeze3; squeeze: 2.8.6-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 2.8.6-1+squeeze4; wheezy: 3.0.22-3+really2.12.20-8+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 3.0.22-3+really2.12.20-8+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.3.8-6~bpo70+1; sid: 3.3.8-6; jessie: 3.3.8-6; experimental: 3.3.13-1 |
| 20:05.19 | brotherBox | jhutchins gnutls3. I want weechat to use ecdsa authentification on debian, but it depends on gnutls 3.0.something. |
| 20:05.26 | hamn | centrx: would i install a version of mplayer that depends on the installed version of libdvdnav4? |
| 20:05.58 | jhutchins | brotherBox: aptitude install gnutls-bin |
| 20:06.00 | centrx | hamn, try apt-get install -t wheezy-backports mplayer |
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| 20:06.13 | centrx | hamn, That will tell it to use backports versions of things (mplayer itself does not have a backports package) |
| 20:06.39 | hamn | nope. stil the same problem |
| 20:06.44 | hamn | libdvdnav4 dep |
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| 20:07.22 | centrx | hamn, Also as this appears to be an incompatibility between mplayer and things in backports, you could try other apps, e.g. what was wrong with mplayer2? how about audacious, vlc, etc? |
| 20:07.38 | syntroPi | i understand jessie switched to packagekit for that (no update-manager avail for fetching updates anymore): invoking gpk-update-viewer presents me with a lie that no updates are avail, since it did NOT fetch any from sources.list before checking |
| 20:08.01 | hamn | centrx: mplayer would pause every time it got to an incompatible frame |
| 20:08.05 | hamn | i asked in #mplayer |
| 20:08.22 | hamn | and they said to install from deb-multimedia, which is didnt think was a good idea... |
| 20:08.37 | ctmjr | hamn: i believe your answer is in apt-cache show libdvdnav4 Breaks: mencoder (<< 2:1.0), mplayer (<< 2:1.0) which is in wheezy maybe remove the backport version and install the one from wheezy |
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| 20:08.40 | syntroPi | hence my question: which is the recommended GUI for fetching updates in gnome/jessie? |
| 20:09.05 | centrx | syntroPi, aptitude? |
| 20:09.17 | centrx | syntroPi, synaptic? |
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| 20:09.27 | rolly_ | hi |
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| 20:10.09 | syntroPi | centrx, yes i know apt, apt-get, aptitude and synaptic, but i was looking for an GUI replacement for the update-manager in wheezy |
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| 20:10.51 | centrx | I'm not sure there is one, what did it do that you are looking for? |
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| 20:11.30 | syntroPi | centrx, i just wanted a simple one click gui for fetching and checking updates |
| 20:12.13 | hamn | ctmjr: http://pastebin.com/JtdHS7m6 |
| 20:12.14 | centrx | I don't know |
| 20:12.18 | hamn | thats the output of that command |
| 20:12.23 | centrx | I like to press the buttons on the keyboard |
| 20:12.42 | hamn | ctmjr: how do i remove the backports version |
| 20:12.58 | syntroPi | hmm seems to be a regression then |
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| 20:13.13 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 20:13.52 | confrey | since I can't figure out how to install compiz in jessie, may anybody help me to install sid instead jessie? here may I find a sid cdimage? |
| 20:13.56 | centrx | hamn, You can't remove the backports version without removing other things you got from backports, like all that KDE stuff, that's an option |
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| 20:14.11 | centrx | confrey, compiz is dead |
| 20:14.27 | confrey | centrx, compiz is in sid, or am I wrong? |
| 20:14.46 | centrx | ,v compiz |
| 20:14.47 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-4 |
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| 20:15.35 | confrey | centrx, ok, 0.8.4-4, if it works it's enough for me, how may I install it in jessie? |
| 20:15.43 | nell | ALERT! /dev/mapper/XXXX-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 20:15.47 | nell | what do I do ;_; |
| 20:15.55 | centrx | confrey, You could try getting the source package from squeeze and building it |
| 20:16.33 | centrx | confrey, You could also try building the compiz from Ubuntu Launchpad, which is like some kind of life support system for the dead compiz |
| 20:16.59 | confrey | centrx, I'd very if I'd capable of, I never did it before... |
| 20:17.07 | hamn | centrx: so ill have to reinstall like the whole system to get mplayer??? |
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| 20:17.54 | centrx | hamn, no, you can uninstall/downgrade these other packages from backports, but you installed them for a reason, you may lose features in these programs you downgrade |
| 20:18.05 | confrey | centrx, ubuntu launchpad, do you mean from source too? because I tried to install deb packages, but there was conflics and not resolved dependenies |
| 20:18.09 | centrx | hamn, you can also upgrade to prerelease/jessie/testing |
| 20:18.24 | centrx | hamn, or choose an alternative to mplayer, like mplayer2, vlc, audacious, mpg123, etc. |
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| 20:18.47 | confrey | centrx, is there a guide7tutorial to do that? |
| 20:19.02 | centrx | confrey, right, need to build from source in order to use the versions of libraries installed on your system |
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| 20:19.24 | centrx | confrey, but building from a Debian source package is straightforward, using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:19.27 | confrey | centrx, from source or from debsource? |
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| 20:19.54 | centrx | !ssb |
| 20:19.55 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 20:20.22 | centrx | confrey, ^ These instructions are for backporting from a source package, but similar to forward-porting, or using the Launchpad package |
| 20:20.36 | centrx | backporting from a sid/unstable source package |
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| 20:22.31 | confrey | centrx, is it better to use a deb source line about trusty or about utopi? |
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| 20:25.30 | centrx | confrey, I would just download the source package directly, faster than changing sources.list and updating, and avoids potential problems |
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| 20:26.38 | syntroPi | so if i install jessie for someone who dont want to use terminal, there are no update GUIs avail to fetch updates anymore? |
| 20:26.43 | centrx | confrey, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
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| 20:27.45 | AberHatschi | syntroPi, take a look under system settings |
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| 20:28.37 | syntroPi | AberHatschi, to look for what exactly there? |
| 20:28.41 | acz32 | something keeps creating a "Desktop" folder in my home directory. any way to find out what it is? |
| 20:28.46 | acz32 | or stop it |
| 20:28.47 | AberHatschi | right klick on desktop |
| 20:29.42 | AberHatschi | or right upper side on the gnome panel |
| 20:29.44 | syntroPi | AberHatschi, there is nothing update related in system settings |
| 20:30.07 | AberHatschi | syntroPi, details |
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| 20:30.43 | AberHatschi | hit the botton under details |
| 20:31.15 | syntroPi | AberHatschi, that just invokes gpk-update-viewer which would not fetch any updates |
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| 20:32.04 | Oscilax | you mean this? https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-packagekit/stable/prefs.html.en |
| 20:32.39 | AberHatschi | it does for me |
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| 20:33.55 | AberHatschi | Oscilax, he means on jessie |
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| 20:35.18 | Oscilax | Applications / System Tools / Package Updater |
| 20:35.25 | Oscilax | works fine here on my Jessie |
| 20:36.31 | syntroPi | Oscilax, thanks for that link, though that gui does not look like it could fetch updates per button click (like update-manager did), invoking gpk-prefs on my gnome/jessie just presents me with a GUI for checking sources.list entries though :-/ |
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| 20:36.58 | Oscilax | oh i see now what you mean |
| 20:37.16 | Oscilax | the one that is so well done in Mint |
| 20:37.28 | syntroPi | yup |
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| 20:41.14 | syntroPi | only solution i see so far is hammering the sources.list servers with a cronjob so gpk-update-viewer always has an uptodate database. this is very suboptimal though |
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| 20:42.30 | Oscilax | if noone here knows a solution maybe you can ask directly on #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 20:47.00 | pcplod | Whats the difference between a normal package and a *-dev package? Is the dev package just the headers etc? |
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| 20:47.17 | pcplod | and the normal package is a build? |
| 20:47.33 | nell | debian failed to boot on crypt_luks, says no volume groups found |
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| 20:47.42 | srg | pcplod: Yeah, pretty much |
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| 20:48.02 | srg | headers and other libraries that are needed to compile and for development, but not for runtime |
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| 20:48.49 | pcplod | thanks srg |
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| 20:49.28 | srg | pcplod: similarly, -dbg is debugging symbols |
| 20:50.40 | Nematocyst | how do I respond to this bug? https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2015/01/msg00149.html I tried sending mail reply but it came back 'could not be delivered...Unknown or archived bug' |
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| 20:53.08 | srg | What syslog daemon is default on Jessie/testing? Is it rsyslog or syslog-ng? |
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| 20:53.19 | uglyandstupid | hello everybody |
| 20:53.44 | uglyandstupid | anyone know if Awesome WM 3.5.5/3.5.6 is available on debian (sid) ? |
| 20:53.46 | syntroPi | AberHatschi, how did you configure gpk-update-viewer to fetch updates from the servers before checking? |
| 20:53.56 | srg | uglyandstupid: Try looking it up on packages.debian.org |
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| 20:54.19 | srg | (http) |
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| 20:55.24 | EequalsMCsquared | hi, I'm in love with Xfce and MATE, but I will have one to choose when Jessie comes out. Please help :'(((((( |
| 20:56.00 | uglyandstupid | srg, thanks i've tried already but didn't figure out how to get Awesome WM (there are a lot a awesome stuff in debian after all :)) |
| 20:56.29 | srg | EequalsMCsquared: My personal opinion: Xfce. |
| 20:56.34 | srg | I run it now on Jessie. |
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| 20:57.00 | EequalsMCsquared | srg: why did you choose Xfce instead of MATE? |
| 20:57.36 | srg | uglyandstupid: https://packages.debian.org/sid/awesome |
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| 20:57.44 | srg | EequalsMCsquared: I never used MATE. |
| 20:57.55 | srg | EequalsMCsquared: Lxde didn't have some things I wanted, so I chose Xfce. |
| 20:58.00 | master | uglyandstupid, im new to debian (coming from other distros) and I'll be installing awesomeWM and i3-wm so stay tuned if you get stuck somewhere. |
| 20:58.12 | master | (i am still installing from netinstall) |
| 20:58.26 | EequalsMCsquared | srg: thanks, is Xfce stable and smooth enough for you? |
| 20:59.06 | srg | EequalsMCsquared: Yeah, it works great. I added a bunch of plugins for my cpu temp, network activity, RAM and HDD activity....it all works well |
| 20:59.25 | uglyandstupid | master, thanks |
| 20:59.40 | EequalsMCsquared | thank you, I will go with Xfce I guess |
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| 21:06.05 | AberHatschi | syntroPi, under dconf-editor |
| 21:07.33 | AberHatschi | syntroPi, under settings-deamon plugins update |
| 21:07.40 | Zambezi | Segfault twice today. Even with Sid that quite remarkable. Had a good experince so far. Anyone else being this unlucky lately? |
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| 21:08.58 | master | Zambezi, yeah, all of our kernels got together and decided that it was time to go on periodic strikes to let the user's know who's boss. |
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| 21:10.36 | Zambezi | master: Or just tell to fuck off cause I'm actually not skilled enought "Debian standard" to run it. Read the causion and thought. Oh, hope for the best it doesn't happen to me. |
| 21:10.38 | marc7 | does anybody know why openswan's in stable but not in testing? |
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| 21:11.23 | Toffe | Anyone here can help me with my raspberry pi? I have added a command with error into rc.local and now it wont boot. trying to edit it in ubuntu gets this error: http://link.jepb.no/aFgU |
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| 21:12.22 | master | midow, we can't read that |
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| 21:13.51 | syntroPi | AberHatschi, thank you for hinting me to that interface. Afaik dconf-editor's org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates seems to be more similar to a chronjob though than telling gpk-update-viewer to autofetch before checking though or am i understanding this wrony maybe? is there a key to tell gpk-update-viewer to fetch before checking when invoked? |
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| 21:16.50 | AberHatschi | i have it not found maybe it comes on release |
| 21:17.26 | syntroPi | maybe its because the rpm based distros auto fetch before checking? |
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| 21:19.43 | valdyn | Toffe: I/O error means that the sd card is broken |
| 21:20.05 | valdyn | Toffe: but since this is on sector 0, maybe its just not properly inserted... |
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| 21:20.57 | AberHatschi | syntroPi, i only work with debian sorry |
| 21:21.42 | syntroPi | AberHatschi, yep me too just a guess from my side |
| 21:21.47 | Iridos | marc7, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769798 |
| 21:22.34 | Iridos | (apparently) |
| 21:22.34 | marc7 | Iridos: oh wow, thank you for the context! I obviously need to work on my google-fu |
| 21:23.40 | Iridos | marc7, I didn't google... I went to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=normal;src=openswan; :) (actually to bugs.debian.org/openswan) |
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| 21:24.11 | Toffe | valdyn: that was it, tried another sd card reader and it got trough |
| 21:24.18 | marc7 | thoroughly appreciate that. thank you. |
| 21:24.20 | Toffe | very much thank you sir. |
| 21:25.38 | pcplod | Odd, the vim hosted on Github doesn't appear to be the same one hosted at Google. The Github version has problems when using --enable-pythoninterp the Google one didn't. |
| 21:25.43 | Iridos | marc7, also, https://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openswan.html |
| 21:25.47 | pcplod | oops wrong channel |
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| 21:30.39 | Iridos | marc7, oh, and finally https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736557 |
| 21:30.42 | Iridos | time for me to go home |
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| 21:39.30 | t4nk464 | hi there |
| 21:41.08 | t4nk464 | newb here. Some friend installed me debian some time ago. now i'm wondering about the sources.list he put me. may I paste it here ? |
| 21:41.34 | mtn | t4nk464: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 21:42.53 | t4nk464 | thx mtn. see http://paste.debian.net/161624/ |
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| 21:43.57 | mtn | t4nk464: so you are running jessie/testing? |
| 21:44.27 | t4nk464 | well, i've done a wheezy net-install |
| 21:44.28 | mtn | t4nk464: you don't need the wheezy lines then |
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| 21:45.00 | valdyn | t4nk464: actually, you should remove line 1 and change all "wheezy" to "jessie" after that |
| 21:45.22 | daemon | remove wheezy-updates line too |
| 21:45.31 | daemon | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 21:45.32 | dpkg | Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support to be cautious; ask me about <testing security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 21:46.00 | Raazeer | mactimes, any results yet? |
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| 21:46.44 | t4nk464 | my friend says (he has the same sources.list) one has the stability of stable AND recent soft updates |
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| 21:47.08 | t4nk464 | does that make sense ? |
| 21:47.09 | mtn | t4nk464: doesn't work that way |
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| 21:47.22 | mtn | t4nk464: you have one or the other, not both |
| 21:47.45 | t4nk464 | so my system is a kind of hybrid right now isn't it ? |
| 21:47.51 | valdyn | t4nk464: no |
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| 21:48.00 | t4nk464 | it is Jessie ? |
| 21:48.05 | valdyn | t4nk464: we dont know |
| 21:48.08 | t4nk464 | haha |
| 21:48.31 | teraflops | it is a ... frankenthingy |
| 21:48.35 | mtn | t4nk464: in a terminal: lsb_release -a |
| 21:48.35 | valdyn | t4nk464: after you run "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" successfully, then we know that you have jessie |
| 21:48.39 | syntroPi | AberHatschi, ooh this seems to be an bigger issue than i initially thought: http://blog.tenstral.net/2014/11/the-state-of-appstreamgnome-software-in-debian-jessie.html |
| 21:48.42 | t4nk464 | well lots of packages are not installed as i see through aptitude |
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| 21:49.19 | t4nk464 | lsb gives jessie |
| 21:49.30 | mtn | t4nk464: now you know ;) |
| 21:49.33 | valdyn | t4nk464: technically, theoretically you could be running debian 1.0 right now... |
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| 21:49.54 | t4nk464 | well.. |
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| 21:50.21 | t4nk464 | as I say, lots of packages aren't installed |
| 21:50.26 | codebam_ | where can I find the server iso's? |
| 21:50.36 | valdyn | t4nk464: thats expected |
| 21:50.42 | mtn | t4nk464: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:50.47 | valdyn | t4nk464: everyone has most packates not installed |
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| 21:51.19 | t4nk464 | i'll read that mtn |
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| 21:51.44 | codebam_ | anyone? I've looked all over but cant find them. |
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| 21:52.29 | mtn | codebam_: use a netinstall and install what you want/need |
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| 21:53.05 | codebam_ | mtn: theres no specific server iso... okay. and the network iso's are hybrids right? |
| 21:53.16 | mtn | codebam_: yes |
| 21:53.30 | mtn | codebam_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 21:53.33 | codebam_ | mtn: ok thanks |
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| 21:54.52 | t4nk464 | so there's no way to get a stable distro with decently recent stuff ? |
| 21:55.02 | t4nk464 | am I undecent to say that ? |
| 21:55.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | that is correct. |
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| 21:56.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | debian stable is "ancient" by many people's standards |
| 21:56.07 | codebam_ | the netinstall isnt graphical right? |
| 21:56.18 | mtn | codebam_: it is both |
| 21:56.20 | t4nk464 | indeed |
| 21:56.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | iirc, it won't run docker? |
| 21:56.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | (kernel is too old?) |
| 21:56.40 | t4nk464 | right |
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| 21:57.14 | t4nk464 | so what's the correct path to get fully to jessie from here ? |
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| 21:57.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you haven't already broken your stable debian, i don't know. i've never upgraded in place before. |
| 21:57.38 | mtn | t4nk464: [14:48] <valdyn> t4nk464: after you run "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" successfully, then we know that you have jessie |
| 21:57.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you have broken it already, wipe and install? :P |
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| 21:58.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | mtn: that may only be valid in the case of a not-broken debian. |
| 21:58.13 | t4nk464 | how do i know it is (not) brtoken ? |
| 21:58.18 | AberHatschi | syntroPi, thanks, we can look forward to something new |
| 21:58.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | heh, well, i don't know. might as well try update && dist-upgrade |
| 21:58.37 | mtn | t4nk464: try those commands and see. if you have trouble, copy and paste to the paste site again. |
| 21:58.40 | codebam | crap, no more ram |
| 21:58.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | if it works, you're good. if it doesn't, you would've been screwed either way. |
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| 21:58.56 | codebam | gotta download it to another usb |
| 21:59.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | of course, i caveat all this with a mention of the fact that i'm an idiot who knows nothing, listen to me at your own risk :P |
| 21:59.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | and on that note, it's beer o'clock. |
| 21:59.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | tips his hat |
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| 22:00.40 | codebam | anyone know why Linux is so terrible at recovering from low ram? |
| 22:00.44 | codebam | lol |
| 22:00.53 | master | it is? |
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| 22:01.01 | codebam | yes. it is |
| 22:01.28 | master | I've never had that issue in 18 years of linux desktop use both personally and at an enterprise level |
| 22:02.01 | codebam | it always seems to slow to a halt and stop responding for me |
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| 22:02.54 | master | Sometimes those types of issues are some of the bio hardware between the system bus and the input device. |
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| 22:03.15 | codebam | mashes alt+f4 hoping that it's key binded |
| 22:03.24 | master | ctrl + alt + f4 |
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| 22:04.42 | codebam | master: that brought me into tty4. didn't think tty's worked in parted magic. anyways, pidof firefox |
| 22:04.58 | master | oh you're mad at firefox |
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| 22:05.04 | master | yes firefox has memory leaks all over the place |
| 22:05.08 | codebam | yes lol |
| 22:05.16 | master | not as bad as chrome |
| 22:05.19 | master | but its there |
| 22:05.24 | codebam | fixed |
| 22:06.04 | RoyK | master: try to run it through valgrind |
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| 22:08.08 | codebam | firefox is default on parted magic. I wonder if it has lynx... |
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| 22:09.43 | codebam | yay wget |
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| 22:10.36 | ahop | What's the apt-get command to remove everything linked to JACK, pulseAudio, etc. |
| 22:10.45 | ahop | I want to have only low-level ALSA installed, and nothing else |
| 22:10.53 | ahop | ? |
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| 22:13.11 | ahop | "apt-get remove jackd" is enough |
| 22:13.12 | ahop | ? |
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| 22:15.25 | codebam_ | I think the only thing I like about this old machine is the nice ps2 mechanical keyboard |
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| 22:19.43 | cafuego | ahop: dpkg -l | egrep 'jack|pulse' -> remove the packages you don't want via apt-get or aptiude. |
| 22:19.52 | t4nk464 | (sorry for the delay). so, any mix between stable and testing is nonsense to you ? |
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| 22:19.57 | nickerSLAVEgg | hi pls |
| 22:20.09 | rolly_ | make sense of this "#lvscan inactive '/dev/mint-vg/root' [294.02 GiB] inherit" and "#ls -l /dev/mint-vg ls: cannot access /dev/mint-vg: No such file or directory" |
| 22:20.27 | rolly_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.45 | t4nk464 | (sorry for the delay). so, mnt, valdyn, any mix between stable and testing is nonsense to you ? |
| 22:22.32 | cafuego | rolly_: Maybe hiding in #mint? |
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| 22:23.57 | rolly_ | cafuego: it's happening in debian, mint is on another disk |
| 22:24.26 | cafuego | and lvm is running? |
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| 22:24.57 | cafuego | I mean, just scanning a disk for LVM partitions doesn't mean they magically all get mounted |
| 22:25.35 | codebam_ | is the netinstall mbr? cause my motherboard cant boot gpt for some reason |
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| 22:26.22 | codebam_ | err... its an iso format isnt it |
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| 22:27.19 | codebam_ | hmm... its gpt. shit |
| 22:27.37 | codebam_ | checks to see if itll maybe boot |
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| 22:28.14 | rolly_ | cafuego: what do you mean by lvm running? |
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| 22:28.51 | cafuego | rolly_: I mean if you don't use LVM on debian and just plugged ina disk that happens to have LVs on it, Debian doesn't know.. you'll need to start LVM. |
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| 22:29.32 | rolly_ | cafuego: yes LVM is on then. This debian is LVM'd. |
| 22:29.35 | nickerSLAVEgg | can somebody send me a keygen for linux pls? |
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| 22:30.17 | cafuego | rolly_: Google tells me: "vgchange -a y my_volume_group" |
| 22:30.52 | rolly_ | cafuego: ok, tells the same to me |
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| 22:32.38 | rolly_ | thought it would be atomatic |
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| 22:32.50 | rolly_ | s/atomatic/automatic |
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| 22:34.58 | pr37 | is it possible to install two different versions of a program so they coexist happily? |
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| 22:36.10 | vlt | pr37: Itâs done with python2.7 and python3, for example, in the Debian repos. |
| 22:36.14 | Amun_Ra | I have python2.7, 3.0 and pyp so you can do it, esp. if it is in repo |
| 22:36.19 | Amun_Ra | *pypy |
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| 22:38.23 | fofgh | codebam, it does not solve the issue, but FYI being mbr/gpt is orthogonal to BIOS/UEFI boot, one can boot bios from gpt |
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| 22:38.48 | pr37 | okay. how can I achieve this if the program's not in a repo? |
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| 22:40.47 | codebam | fofgh: apparently it works. idk. and anyone who said their was a non-graphical install lied |
| 22:40.56 | codebam | its a CLI install |
| 22:40.58 | Amun_Ra | pr37: learn how to build deb packages yourself |
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| 22:41.07 | codebam | or graphical. |
| 22:41.13 | codebam | both are graphical |
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| 22:42.14 | pr37 | thanks. |
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| 22:46.00 | fofgh | codebam, bios does not care about the partition type, it just loads the bootloader from mbr and runs it. the bootable iso contains a mbr-style bootloader (el torito) |
| 22:46.48 | codebam | fofgh: well it wasn't letting me boot my arch linux or gentoo linix usb's earlier. |
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| 22:47.13 | codebam | and they are both gpt |
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| 22:57.05 | Misbehavist | hmm |
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| 22:57.33 | humbot | hmm |
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| 22:57.49 | Misbehavist | lets see |
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| 22:58.13 | Misbehavist | im stuck in windows |
| 22:58.20 | Misbehavist | cant do anything |
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| 23:03.58 | master | is `sensible-pager` just an alias for `$@ | less` |
| 23:04.26 | master | or `less $@` |
| 23:06.00 | master | sighs |
| 23:06.07 | master | this channel is dead and has been for almost two solid days |
| 23:06.07 | nickerSLAVEgg | prrrrrrrrr |
| 23:06.16 | master | is this not the main support channel for debian? |
| 23:06.23 | fofgh | master, nano /usr/bin/sensible-pager |
| 23:06.46 | qmr | master: the internet does not exist to solve your problems |
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| 23:06.56 | master | Yes it does. |
| 23:07.03 | master | It literally was created for that purpose. |
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| 23:07.37 | Misbehavist | yes it does idiot |
| 23:07.41 | Misbehavist | wow |
| 23:07.53 | qmr | o_O |
| 23:07.59 | eKyNoX | Hello, any info on => udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed |
| 23:08.01 | Misbehavist | im not sure about this irc thing |
| 23:08.09 | master | Misbehavist, it made him feel better at least lol |
| 23:08.21 | Misbehavist | the ppl on here r literaly swamp heads |
| 23:08.24 | eKyNoX | while dist-upgrade to jessie |
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| 23:09.09 | master | eKyNoX, what is plymouth |
| 23:09.18 | master | debhelper, plymouth |
| 23:09.27 | master | @plymouth |
| 23:09.32 | Misbehavist | its an app |
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| 23:09.35 | teraflops | ^ |
| 23:09.36 | Misbehavist | in deabian |
| 23:09.37 | eKyNoX | plymouth is a package that manage theme at starting up |
| 23:09.43 | master | dpkg, plymouth |
| 23:09.44 | dpkg | Plymouth presents a graphic animation while the boot process occurs in the background. It is designed to be used with <DRM> modesetting drivers and replaces both <usplash> and <splashy>. Read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian to enable. http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth #plymouth on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:09.44 | eKyNoX | but needed in my case |
| 23:09.56 | master | ah. its like RHGB for debian |
| 23:10.01 | Misbehavist | isnt plymoth old? |
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| 23:10.51 | eKyNoX | I just love debian, first install, first command and err... :) |
| 23:10.57 | master | dpkg, aptitude |
| 23:10.58 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 23:11.16 | master | dpkg, why not aptitude |
| 23:11.16 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 23:11.29 | Misbehavist | eKyNoX: use CD1 to install |
| 23:11.35 | Misbehavist | dont use any mirror |
| 23:11.39 | eKyNoX | install comes from vps provider |
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| 23:11.42 | nickerSLAVEgg | rm -rf / |
| 23:11.45 | eKyNoX | I do not have the choice |
| 23:11.52 | master | dpkg, apt-get |
| 23:11.52 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt>, but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 |
| 23:11.56 | ctmjr | !message the bot |
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| 23:12.32 | eKyNoX | nickerSLAVEgg: I'll test soon that command when I get invited at your home and in front of your box :) |
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| 23:14.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell master about msg the bot |
| 23:14.33 | eKyNoX | Thanks for support guys :) |
| 23:14.43 | eKyNoX | was great |
| 23:15.08 | nickerSLAVEgg | eKyNoX: ur welcome to test http://imgur.com/eduLnEE |
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| 23:16.06 | eKyNoX | erk, hyper-v |
| 23:16.48 | nickerSLAVEgg | acceptable for home lab |
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| 23:17.43 | Misbehavist | virtualbox |
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| 23:18.44 | nickerSLAVEgg | i use that for fooling around... serious home lab stuff hoes with yhperv or esx |
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| 23:19.01 | abrotman | nickerSLAVEgg: We don't think that's funny, play elsewhere |
| 23:21.12 | eKyNoX | abrotman: Tks |
| 23:21.53 | eKyNoX | So no info on that plymouth dist-upgrade bug please ? or is it possible to dist-upgrade and do not include plymouth in list ? |
| 23:22.09 | abrotman | eKyNoX: you can disable plymouth |
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| 23:22.43 | eKyNoX | abrotman: It looks like my vps provider uses it for it's manager interface (where to restart / stop server from web page) |
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| 23:22.52 | eKyNoX | So I can't remove it |
| 23:22.57 | abrotman | eh .. really? |
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| 23:23.10 | eKyNoX | yes, tried to uninstall it, no response from server |
| 23:23.19 | eKyNoX | Had to re-install box |
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| 23:23.54 | eKyNoX | I'lll ask also to provider tomorrow (when woked up) |
| 23:23.59 | eKyNoX | too |
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| 23:26.37 | eKyNoX | saw more peoples blocked with dist-upgrade and plymouth : https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg00360.html |
| 23:26.38 | acz32 | can't figure this out. my clock is 1 hour ahead even though tzdata shows correct time zone. |
| 23:28.56 | eKyNoX | abrotman: just tried to uninstall plymouth using a different way, breaks vps again |
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| 23:30.03 | abrotman | eKyNoX: I'd probably stop trying to break it, ask your provider |
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| 23:34.30 | jair | hello masters, I have a file three parts endind in .bin for example: file-part1.bin, file-part2.bin, file-part3.bin is there a command line in debian to decompress this? |
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| 23:36.19 | abrotman | decompress? |
| 23:36.50 | jair | abrotman: long time my friend, I think what I mean is concatenating this? there are three files |
| 23:36.54 | Brigo | jair, what is the output of 'file file-part1.bin' ? |
| 23:37.04 | jair | one moment |
| 23:37.05 | fofgh | cat? |
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| 23:37.50 | eKyNoX | abrotman: thanks, I will |
| 23:37.52 | jair | fofgh: you are funny my friend |
| 23:38.18 | Brigo | jair, because he is right? |
| 23:38.18 | abrotman | jair: so try cat .. |
| 23:38.21 | rolly | does debian always assign different numbers to wlan, e.g. wlan1, wlan3, or just some dibian based distros do? And how do you find the name from a script? |
| 23:38.29 | fofgh | Brigo, THAT was funny |
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| 23:38.50 | rolly | I'm used to wlan0 being always the case until debian |
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| 23:39.19 | jair | Brigo: thank you very much here is the output: subfile1.bin: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Fri Feb 27 17:28:39 2015 |
| 23:39.43 | jair | abrotman: and fofgh the cat result is flooding the screen with characters like the matrix |
| 23:40.36 | Brigo | jair, cat is the command you should use to concatenate the files. |
| 23:40.40 | jair | rolly: what are you trying to do? associate to an Access Point using your debian pc with wifi adapter? |
| 23:41.32 | rolly | jair: that and/or change mac |
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| 23:41.52 | jair | Brigo: so based on the file command the file is compressed in gzip |
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| 23:42.26 | jair | rolly: I can help you get connected to the AP if you have the ESSID and the password |
| 23:42.34 | Brigo | jair, yes and you can contatenate them with cat file-part2.bin file-pa file-part3.binrt1.bin > file.gz |
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| 23:42.39 | jair | or wep/wap authentication |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | jair: please work on your issue first |
| 23:42.55 | abrotman | rolly: can you look in dmesg for errors or warnings relating to your wireless? |
| 23:43.00 | jair | rolly: wpa, wep |
| 23:43.17 | Brigo | jair, yes and you can contatenate them with cat file-part1.bin file-part2.bin file-part3.bin > file.gz |
| 23:43.20 | abrotman | jair: use cat |
| 23:43.30 | Brigo | sorry, problem pasting. |
| 23:43.42 | jair | sorry abrotman ok I just wanted to help |
| 23:44.07 | jair | Brigo: OK let me get the cat command and concatenate the files |
| 23:44.27 | rolly | abrotman: don't seem any |
| 23:45.55 | jair | rolly: iwconfig ? |
| 23:46.47 | rolly | I don't need so much any specific solution , but rather to know the names of wlan interfaces , especially if there is more than one |
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| 23:47.11 | jair | it should be wlan0 |
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| 23:47.19 | abrotman | jair: please ... |
| 23:47.25 | abrotman | rolly: dmesg | grep wlan |
| 23:47.27 | rolly | and why does it make the same interface with different numbers when there is only one |
| 23:47.28 | jair | abrotman: OK |
| 23:47.42 | rolly | abrotman: did that , no errors no warnings |
| 23:47.46 | abrotman | rolly: it's probably related to the items in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 23:47.49 | abrotman | rolly: anything at all? |
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| 23:49.02 | jair | abrotman: I resolved my issue |
| 23:49.36 | fofgh | FYI zcat(1) |
| 23:49.37 | jair | cat all the files to a .tgz file and done |
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| 23:49.58 | jair | zcat, will check |
| 23:50.10 | jair | fofgh: thank you again! |
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| 23:50.38 | eKyNoX | abrotman: found a way, that was echo "plymouth hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 23:51.03 | rolly | abrotman: yes I see something relevant in the udev rules, trying to make sense of it |
| 23:51.05 | eKyNoX | now dist-upgrade running :) |
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| 23:51.14 | pschulz01 | Greetings.. I upgraded to jessie (on a VirtualBox VM) and the gnome-terminal stopped working (would not open). Is this a known issue? Happy to log it/try to replicate it/ etc. |
| 23:51.31 | pschulz01 | I am now installing jessie directly. |
| 23:52.17 | eKyNoX | pschulz01: did you tried terminator ? Just a killer console app |
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| 23:52.20 | abrotman | rolly: you can use paste.debian.net to show us |
| 23:53.22 | pschulz01 | eKyNoX: I will next time.. |
| 23:53.41 | rolly | abrotman: ahh, my best guess is, since it's an install on a usb flash stick and I plug it into different computers and in the udev rules i see it's got different wlan numbers for different one of them ...so it might be my mistake ,isinterpreting it |
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| 23:54.13 | rolly | s/isinterpreting/misinterpreting |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | rolly: seems quite reasonable .. so you can make it remove that file when it shuts down if that's easier .. or you can use wildcards |
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| 23:55.01 | jair | I am sorry I was celebrating too early |
| 23:55.09 | jair | I am getting this errors: |
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| 23:56.03 | jair | http://paste.debian.net/161642 |
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| 23:56.23 | rolly | abrotman: but still I can recall only using it on 3 computers and I have 4 wlans in the udev rules |
| 23:57.39 | rolly | well, technically i used it on 4 machines but don't recall using wireless on the fourth |
| 23:58.24 | Brigo | jair, or the files were contanated in the wrong order or they are corrupt. |
| 23:58.41 | jair | Brigo: let me check again |
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| 23:58.54 | rolly | may be I was in a hurry and turned the wireless off afterwards and don't remember now :) |
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