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| 00:35.56 | LucMove | Hello. I have an emergency. I'm running Debian Wheezy. The battery on my notebook is dying and the notebook turns off after a while even if plugged into AC. Can I avoid that? |
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| 00:50.09 | veruus | anyone know how I could re-download a package and its dependencies via apt-get even if it (or parts of it) is already installed? |
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| 00:55.45 | aphorise | during "make && make install" can I reduce output / verbose to errors only? |
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| 01:18.10 | anon98765 | guys apt says downloaded packages are not signed by the developer keys... |
| 01:18.15 | anon98765 | anybody else getting this? |
| 01:18.37 | anon98765 | can it be anything else than a retarded mitm? |
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| 01:19.21 | jasonwc | anon98765, I'm seeing a signature error as well |
| 01:19.34 | jasonwc | W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://http.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 01:20.20 | anon98765 | i get: Some packages could not be authenticated |
| 01:20.26 | dvs | and the debian-archive-keyring is installed? |
| 01:20.37 | anon98765 | it worked before for months |
| 01:20.40 | jasonwc | odd, I ran apt-get update again and now it's fine |
| 01:20.49 | jasonwc | found the security update for openssl |
| 01:20.53 | dvs | ha! They must have just updated the package. |
| 01:21.15 | anon98765 | so what was the bug everybody was talking about? |
| 01:21.27 | anon98765 | huh |
| 01:21.37 | anon98765 | weird. it all works after apt update |
| 01:21.56 | anon98765 | and i was already looking for my tinfoil hat |
| 01:22.54 | dvs | keeps on talking to himself |
| 01:23.32 | anon98765 | i also have another annoying problem |
| 01:24.38 | anon98765 | whenever i launch minecraft xterm gets scewed up until i reboot. the text is printed out ultra slow, and the disappears randomly |
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| 01:25.15 | nurupo | xterm? GUI? |
| 01:25.30 | anon98765 | yes |
| 01:25.48 | anon98765 | konsole doesnt have the problem |
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| 01:25.50 | nurupo | try "reset" |
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| 01:26.22 | anon98765 | didnt work |
| 01:26.26 | nurupo | that should fix the terminal after you finish running minecraft |
| 01:26.43 | nurupo | won't fix the issues you are experiencing while running it though |
| 01:26.47 | anon98765 | works |
| 01:26.51 | anon98765 | thanks |
| 01:27.07 | anon98765 | do you know why it happens? |
| 01:27.11 | nurupo | no |
| 01:27.21 | anon98765 | thanks |
| 01:27.31 | veruus | heh |
| 01:27.36 | nurupo | not familiar running minecraft :) |
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| 01:44.59 | snadge | https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3197 |
| 01:45.15 | snadge | i know im not supposed to be running jessie but i am.. im just trying to figure out more information |
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| 01:47.25 | snadge | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssl |
| 01:47.35 | snadge | <3 debian :D |
| 01:48.00 | veruus | oops |
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| 01:51.56 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 01:52.00 | asterismo | i need help |
| 01:52.08 | asterismo | mi debian 7 kde wont start X |
| 01:53.25 | asterismo | how do i reset X server to use opensource drivers? |
| 01:53.34 | asterismo | dpkg-reconfigure something? |
| 01:54.14 | SirLagz | if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it will probably try something sane |
| 01:54.20 | SirLagz | asterismo: what video card are you using ? |
| 01:54.35 | G66k | asterismo, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:54.40 | G66k | then startx |
| 01:54.45 | asterismo | ATI Radeon 6650 or so |
| 01:54.59 | asterismo | it does not start X |
| 01:55.07 | asterismo | i have afull installed KDE desktop |
| 01:55.11 | SirLagz | asterismo: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 01:55.19 | dvs | asterismo: and the firmware-linux-nonfree package is installed? |
| 01:55.27 | asterismo | yes |
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| 01:56.52 | asterismo | i run into recovery mode but i have no network |
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| 01:57.06 | asterismo | how do i enable it so i can installa and check that |
| 01:57.12 | asterismo | i have ethernet cable |
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| 02:05.38 | lefedy | Anyone out there have a Toshiba Satellite that got Bluetooth working? |
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| 02:11.44 | lefedy | Are the commands at the following URL going to break something since I would be using an old kernel? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDkQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxforcynics.com%2Fhardware%2Ftoshset-required-kernel-toshiba-support-not-enabled&ei=zlALVeegEtbasASG5YGoBw&usg=AFQjCNF2KrWuxrx0pwKQhAezSga3Qug9_Q |
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| 02:12.07 | lefedy | Anyone/ |
| 02:12.09 | lefedy | ? |
| 02:12.35 | OSVG | Well, they are also intended for Ubuntu. |
| 02:12.38 | OSVG | From what I see. |
| 02:12.40 | OSVG | So probably. |
| 02:12.41 | STMelon | Knight all... steals albert's geeko |
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| 02:14.55 | lefedy | OSVG: dang, I was hoping there would be that version kernel for Debian. |
| 02:14.58 | veruus | !SMOKEBOMB! |
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| 02:15.21 | OSVG | There is likely that kernel version for Debian, however you asked if the instructions would likely break something./ |
| 02:16.16 | OSVG | So the issue is that your Toshiba is having problems with drivers...have you checked to see if a newer kernel would resolve the issue? That article is from 2011. |
| 02:16.54 | lefedy | It appears to me that only the modules are being built (only one) but I'm not totally confident in my knowledge with modules and kernel stuff to know for sure. |
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| 02:17.11 | lefedy | OSVG: I'm getting desperate after a couple of days of trying to get this working. |
| 02:17.34 | OSVG | So, bluetooth is specifically what's not working or am I understanding something incorrectly? |
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| 02:18.37 | lefedy | For some reason, the bluetooth adapter isn't working at all. |
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| 02:19.03 | OSVG | Have you verified that the component has not failed? |
| 02:19.35 | OSVG | Is there another OS you've booted with on the machine to verify that the bluetooth functionality issue is a Debian issue? |
| 02:19.46 | OSVG | If so, what? |
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| 02:20.08 | lefedy | OSVG: I tested it in Windows before I installed Debian. |
| 02:20.19 | OSVG | And it worked correctly in windows? |
| 02:20.24 | lefedy | The system sees the device... it just wont' turn it on. |
| 02:20.30 | lefedy | Yes, it worked fine in Windows. |
| 02:21.04 | lefedy | I think it even worked on stable... I had to goto testing to get my graphics driver to work. |
| 02:21.30 | lefedy | OSVG: not for sure about bluetooth on stable though. |
| 02:21.50 | asterismo | suppose i have the driver fglrx broken |
| 02:21.57 | asterismo | what package should i install? |
| 02:22.29 | lefedy | OSVG: Apparently this is an issue with Toshiba Satellites. But for some reason, no one is posting a solution for Deiban. |
| 02:22.33 | OSVG | lefedy: So you're using Jessie, currently? Also, do other built-in Toshiba functions work correctly? |
| 02:23.08 | OSVG | lefedy: The 'solution' that you linked was from 2011, and the old 2.6x kernels, as well as Ubuntu. It wouldn't be a relevant answer in Ubuntu any more either. |
| 02:23.13 | lefedy | Yes, jessie. Many of the other built-in functions work fine. (fn keys (with some modifying, wifi_ |
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| 02:24.05 | lefedy | All of the fn keys worked except for the dim and brighten ones. That was an easy fix though. |
| 02:24.09 | OSVG | Well, since you're using Jessie and I so far have zero experience with it, I can only refer you to #debian-next instead. |
| 02:24.37 | lefedy | OSVG: I'll check it out. Haven't been there before. |
| 02:25.17 | OSVG | If you message dpkg in this channel about #debian-next I believe he has more information. |
| 02:25.29 | lefedy | OSVG: thanks |
| 02:26.24 | lefedy | OSVG: thanks for your input. it is much appreciated. |
| 02:26.39 | OSVG | No problem, I wish I could be of more assistance, but that's an unusual and specific problems it seems. |
| 02:27.00 | lefedy | Yes. It's been a while since I've had a problem this hard to resolve. :) |
| 02:27.09 | lefedy | OSVG: have a good night. |
| 02:27.14 | OSVG | You as well. |
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| 02:52.17 | programmerq | I'm curious what, if any, alternative kernels might be in the debian repos (would hate to compile my own unnecesarily) |
| 02:52.44 | programmerq | maybe some apt command can show a list of packages that provides a kernel? |
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| 02:57.26 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 02:57.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 02:58.51 | programmerq | that tells me what the official "default" kernel is for jessie. are there any alternatives for jessie? looking at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch08s06.html.en, "Also, Debian often offers several alternative kernels." |
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| 02:59.35 | programmerq | "So you may want to check first if there is an alternative kernel image package that better corresponds to your hardware." - trying to do this, but unsure where such a list might be. searching for it hasn't turned up much so far |
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| 02:59.57 | programmerq | mostly what turns up is how to install backported kernels on different debian versions, and backported isn't what I need. |
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| 03:01.22 | programmerq | specifically, I'm hoping to get a kernel that has GPIO_SYSFS=Y (default is set to N and that option can't be compiled as a module) |
| 03:01.52 | dvs | I'd compile my own in that case |
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| 03:02.07 | programmerq | hmmm. sounds good. :) |
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| 03:15.45 | SAKUJ0 | how would i learn why - say - 'nzbget' is only available in version 13.0 for stable, testing, sid and only experimental has 14.2? |
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| 03:16.24 | SAKUJ0 | i mean logically either there is just nobody with the time to maintain it yet. or there is some conflict/bug/issue - in which case could i find out the reasons why something is still being held back even from Sid? |
| 03:18.33 | themill | SAKUJ0: it was only just released so there's no chance of it being in jessie. |
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| 03:20.40 | tx | Backpoooorts. |
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| 03:23.58 | SAKUJ0 | well, in 'debian' terms only just is probably appropriate :p but it's been almost 5 months |
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| 03:25.00 | SAKUJ0 | the reason i asked is i am curious how i would go to find out myself if it is 'secure enough' to compile myself/backport on a 'Sidish' system |
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| 03:25.54 | OSVG | SAKUJ0: Wheezy backports would only likely get you to a 'Jessie-ish' system. |
| 03:26.02 | SAKUJ0 | as in i am not so worried about the 'but the bug fix releases have not been tested extensively yet' - but instead in the 'if you do this everything breaks with a kernel panic' |
| 03:26.15 | SAKUJ0 | oh my apologies i am in debian-next |
| 03:26.20 | SAKUJ0 | jessie here |
| 03:26.53 | SAKUJ0 | but i wasn't looking for jessie support so-to-speak but trying to learn something about when something goes from experimental to sid |
| 03:26.53 | OSVG | SAKUJ0: Ah. |
| 03:27.16 | OSVG | When it stops catastrophically failing, generally. |
| 03:27.21 | SAKUJ0 | i do understand when and how Sid goes to Testing and why that can even mean testing can be more broken than sid |
| 03:28.12 | SAKUJ0 | so the reason the 5 month-old 14.0 is not even in Sid yet is because chances are it is literally catastrophically failing? |
| 03:28.38 | SAKUJ0 | i guess in essence what i am looking for is the "winehq db" of Experimentals |
| 03:29.10 | OSVG | SAKUJ0: Sid's uptake on new software is fairly quick, from my viewpoint/experience, and if it's not in there, it's because it either causes compatibility problems, has a compatibility problem, or is massively unstable. |
| 03:29.57 | SAKUJ0 | yeah that is my viewpoint/experience, too though that is highly limited/insecure :p |
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| 03:30.13 | SAKUJ0 | ok glad i asked thanks for the helpful insights |
| 03:30.24 | OSVG | SAKUJ0: Have you dug around the bug-tracker for Sid? |
| 03:30.28 | OSVG | There may be more info there. |
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| 03:30.44 | SAKUJ0 | of course i'll try to blow my system up but this means i know where i am headed to |
| 03:30.49 | SAKUJ0 | and will now do what you suggested |
| 03:30.57 | OSVG | SAKUJ0: That's why man invented imaging software. |
| 03:31.12 | SAKUJ0 | :p |
| 03:31.17 | OSVG | Or VM Snapshots. |
| 03:31.44 | SAKUJ0 | yeah that is correct i suppose i wish i had better hardware to be more flexible |
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| 03:32.14 | SAKUJ0 | thankfully it is only a home nas with media that i can backup and restore at will |
| 03:32.22 | OSVG | SAKUJ0: That falls off-topic for this channel, but there's plenty of old hardware on ebay if you are willing to poke around for deals and you're using it only intermittently. |
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| 03:32.56 | SAKUJ0 | yeah i have to change something i don't have one working i3 or better in my house right now |
| 03:33.08 | OSVG | Yikes. |
| 03:33.12 | SAKUJ0 | my nas is a plant / 6 year old hybrid with 4 external usb drives |
| 03:33.21 | SAKUJ0 | *6 year old laptop hybrid |
| 03:34.02 | SAKUJ0 | i can't launch xorg because the laptop forgets it has lvds/vga/hdmi outputs |
| 03:34.08 | OSVG | welp. |
| 03:34.16 | SAKUJ0 | but it nases like a champ! |
| 03:34.19 | OSVG | That seems par for the course with old laptops. |
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| 03:38.11 | themill | SAKUJ0: actually, it's only 4 weeks. |
| 03:38.34 | SAKUJ0 | 14.2 is 14.0 is quite old |
| 03:38.52 | themill | ,checkbackport nzbget --fromrelease experimental --torelease jessie |
| 03:38.53 | judd | Backporting package nzbget in experimental→jessie/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 03:38.56 | SAKUJ0 | 14.1 and 14.2 only contained like 5 commits each that only fixed things |
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| 03:39.13 | themill | sure -- you were asking about 14.2 -- I looked up the release date for 14.2 |
| 03:39.27 | SAKUJ0 | my apologies for not being precise enough |
| 03:39.35 | themill | The maintainer intends to upload it to jessie-backports |
| 03:39.38 | themill | ,bug 768863 |
| 03:39.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768863 in nzbget (closed): «nzbget: Update nzbget to version 14»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-11-09; last modified: 2014-12-25. |
| 03:40.05 | SAKUJ0 | to someone like me what you just did appears like sorcery |
| 03:40.51 | themill | dances around some painted runes |
| 03:40.58 | SAKUJ0 | but this is awesome, they are talking about having barely missed jessie deadline despite not even being in Sid yet? |
| 03:41.04 | SAKUJ0 | jesus you made me spill my drink |
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| 03:41.50 | themill | sid is for packages that are to be part of the next stable release -- this package won't be in jessie so isn't uploaded to sid. |
| 03:42.09 | SAKUJ0 | oh yeah well that actually makes sense |
| 03:42.13 | SAKUJ0 | i mean the feature freeze was when? |
| 03:42.17 | SAKUJ0 | december? novemner? |
| 03:42.26 | SAKUJ0 | that is pretty much when 14.0 came out |
| 03:42.37 | themill | Remember, remember the fifth of November |
| 03:43.10 | SAKUJ0 | has a lightbulb appear above his head |
| 03:43.20 | themill | !jessie freeze |
| 03:43.20 | dpkg | Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" was frozen on 2014-11-05; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun. See http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html or ask me about <slushy>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot |
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| 05:23.46 | roue | I've got a headless debian 7 host (converted asus chromebox). It's got ethernet and wifi. I'd like to configure the box to try dhcp on eth0 first, wifi via wpa-supplicant if eth0 is unavailable, and host-ap if none of the known wifi hotspots are available. Any idea how to do such a thing (with or without custom scripting, I'm up for that). |
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| 05:30.32 | klys | look at the return value from ping... |
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| 05:35.01 | roue | klys sure, or stats from /proc/net/dev ... I can think of a way to write such a thing, but I'm wondering if it doesn't already exist somewhere. |
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| 05:38.25 | shay_shay | roue^ |
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| 05:49.30 | roue | thanks shayshay I'll take a look |
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| 07:18.24 | udevd | are there some means to sandboxify programs (apart from running it in VM/chroot/docker/...) in linux? I don't trust closed source programs and sometimes they are just needed ,_, |
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| 07:18.53 | udevd | few days ago it emerged that dropbox is for instance scanning whole disk to `fasten indexing', riiite |
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| 07:22.16 | tx | use dropbox's website instead |
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| 07:25.39 | buu | udevd: selinux |
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| 07:27.39 | udevd | okay, i'll look it t=up |
| 07:27.45 | udevd | thanks |
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| 07:47.55 | littlebit | hi people, I wanted to know if there is a way of telling my os to stop generating those log.gz files |
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| 07:49.28 | jolt | littlebit: I don't understand why you don't want compressed log files, but I would guess looking at logrotate would be the solution |
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| 07:50.19 | littlebit | jolt: over time my /var/log folder gets populated with *.log.gz files and I would like to turn that archiving feature off |
| 07:51.32 | jolt | littlebit: /etc/logrotate(.d) and respective files |
| 07:52.19 | littlebit | jolt: I see, and i comment the keyword 'compress' in each of these files off? |
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| 07:52.31 | jolt | littlebit: I would think so |
| 07:52.39 | littlebit | jolt: ok thanks |
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| 07:53.23 | jolt | littlebit: log files can be pretty huge though, so I still think it makes sense to compress. But you could of course add size as a rotation parameter as well (to do it more/less often) |
| 07:53.47 | jolt | littlebit: you know there are tools like zgrep and zless etc to read compressed files without unpacking them? |
| 07:54.23 | littlebit | jolt: what I want to do is when it rotates, it deletes the old ones (the ones that are ususally compressed) |
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| 07:55.11 | jolt | littlebit: right. Then removing compress is the way to go |
| 07:55.35 | jolt | littlebit: ...but actually, in that case all the old ones (.1.2 etc) would still be there |
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| 07:55.45 | littlebit | jolt: that is IF my assumption is correct. |
| 07:55.49 | jolt | littlebit: So you need to change how many to rotate as well. I guess 1 or 2 then |
| 07:56.06 | jolt | littlebit: rotate 1 perhaps |
| 07:56.16 | jolt | I need to leave, but good luck |
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| 07:56.47 | littlebit | jolt: thank you for the leads |
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| 08:06.54 | Siente | good morning guys, how can I check out my cpu temperature under debian? |
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| 08:10.18 | jaster | Siente: personally I use sensors (installed with the package lm-sensors) |
| 08:10.18 | jaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.29 | Siente | in sensors I don't have cpu temp |
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| 08:13.55 | kevc | is there a reason that debian doesn't have site-packages in sys.path on python? |
| 08:14.46 | kevc | I know about dist-packages, but don't quite get why site-packages isn't in sys.path for any source installed packages |
| 08:15.25 | jaster | Siente: weird. Maybe try to run sensors-detect (as root) |
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| 08:15.52 | Siente | tried it's asking me 322323 of questions to answer with yes or no and I answered to all of them with yes |
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| 08:17.22 | Siente | I have only this when I type sensors http://pastebin.com/f670QB45 |
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| 08:19.41 | Mogget | Hey guys. When installing request tracker from Wheezy stable repositories, it is not set up to automagically work like many of the other packages in Debian. From earlier I remember that one can often find "manuals" or a "description" for requirements and sometimes even how to set that software up on the system after installing the package itself. Is my memory correct and where would it be stored on the filesystem if it is true? |
| 08:19.44 | jaster | Siente: I do think coretemp-isa-0000 is your CPU temp |
| 08:20.35 | Siente | jaster, okay thank you |
| 08:20.45 | Siente | hmm yes it might be |
| 08:21.04 | GPenguin | Mogget: /usr/share/doc/<name of the software> |
| 08:21.17 | Mogget | GPenguin: Thank you. |
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| 09:11.59 | colo-work | W: GPG error: http://debian.inode.at wheezy/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:11.59 | colo-work | has there been a key rotation that I'm not aware of? or are mirrors broken right now? |
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| 09:12.05 | colo-work | (it's the second mirror I've tried) |
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| 09:19.17 | SynrGy | colo-work: are you actually using debian, or a deriv? |
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| 09:19.30 | colo-work | SynrG, actually using Debian. |
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| 09:21.48 | SynrGy | hmm |
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| 09:28.09 | SynrGy | colo-work: wheezy/updates? is that a mirror of security.debian.org or what? |
| 09:28.27 | SynrGy | colo-work: maybe we should have a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list (at paste.debian.net please) |
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| 09:37.08 | ytivarg | /mode $ me + x |
| 09:38.05 | SynrGy | colo-work: that key looks like it matches the one listed here: https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 09:38.57 | SynrGy | colo-work: maybe you have some problem with apt pinning or so, and your archive keys are not up-to-date? |
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| 09:40.30 | ytivarg | /mode ytivarg me + x |
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| 09:44.35 | SynrG | ,v debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:44.36 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.08.28+squeeze1; wheezy: 2014.3~deb7u1; sid: 2014.3; jessie: 2014.3 |
| 09:45.04 | ws2k3 | Hello, when i try to do a apt-get upgrade i get unable to open files list file for package `passwd': No such device or address |
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| 09:47.03 | SynrG | ws2k3: maybe your /var/lib/dpkg is screwed over? |
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| 09:47.29 | ws2k3 | SynrG how should i fix that |
| 09:47.37 | SynrG | filesystem corruption maybe? |
| 09:47.47 | SynrG | if that's the case, hope you have good backups ... |
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| 09:48.47 | ws2k3 | not likeley its filesystem server itself is working fine besides this error |
| 09:48.58 | SynrG | ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/passwd.list |
| 09:49.07 | SynrG | i think that's what it's complaining about |
| 09:50.00 | ws2k3 | SynrG it shows me br-xrwSr-- 1 12590 11876 0, 0 Jul 28 1970 /var/lib/dpkg/info/passwd.list |
| 09:50.09 | SynrG | wtf? |
| 09:50.30 | SynrG | the attributes are totally whacked |
| 09:50.44 | SynrG | check dmesg for errors? |
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| 09:51.04 | SynrG | have you checked the SMART health of the drive lately? |
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| 09:51.56 | SynrG | ws2k3: this file looks like a block device :) |
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| 09:52.25 | SynrG | ws2k3: hence "no such device ..." |
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| 09:53.45 | SynrG | so yeah, you should fsck the partition that directory is on |
| 09:55.01 | SynrG | ws2k3: how much uptime? a fsck will be performed on next reboot ... |
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| 09:55.14 | SynrG | ws2k3: and what filesystem type? |
| 09:56.15 | ChrisH | check dmesg output In case of filesystem issue and/or Disk HW problems it might/should show up there |
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| 09:56.47 | ws2k3 | uptime is 7 days filesystem is ext4 |
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| 09:58.37 | SynrG | normally that sort of corruption shouldn't spontaneously occur ... did it suffer abrupt power loss recently? |
| 09:58.53 | SynrG | the journal should've saved you |
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| 10:11.02 | fredrik98 | I have a question about DSA-3197-1: After upgrading libssl1.0.0 1.0.1e-2+deb7u15 today, is a restart of services that use openssl (apache2, openssh, postfix, etc) necessary? The update postinst didn't suggest any restarts. Is that intentional? |
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| 10:22.54 | abnegate | i just booted from a liveUSB image |
| 10:23.02 | abnegate | any way to make it persistent? |
| 10:23.39 | abnegate | so that any data i write to the filesystem is available when i reboot? |
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| 10:25.37 | abnegate | i basically want to use my flash drive as if it was a regular disk drive that i boot from and use as usual.. saving data to it that i can continue to use when i reboot |
| 10:26.31 | colo-work | abnegate, just use the debian installer to create a regular debian installation on that USB thumb drive |
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| 10:26.42 | colo-work | that should just work |
| 10:27.07 | colo-work | (without any of the limitations a live image imposes, i. e. you'll have a fully writable filesystem) |
| 10:27.30 | darxmurf | stupid question but where can I find .deb from squeeze on debian server ?! |
| 10:27.35 | colo-work | fredrik98, yes, necessary. install `debian-goodies` and use `checkrestart -vv` to verify my claim. |
| 10:28.19 | abnegate | colo-work: so when i go to install a debian system, the installer can install to a USB device? |
| 10:28.25 | colo-work | abnegate, yes |
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| 10:28.31 | abnegate | cool |
| 10:28.34 | abnegate | thanks! |
| 10:28.37 | colo-work | yw |
| 10:29.09 | darxmurf | I mean, where is the pool ? |
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| 10:30.40 | fredrik98 | colo-work: thanks, i suspected that. So it seems that the restart check that usually occurs in the postinst script of the libssl1.0.0 package doesn't work for some reason? |
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| 10:40.30 | plus10 | what's up with all the udevd --daemon? I have them like 20+... |
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| 10:48.33 | benedikt | I have two partitions that are equally likely to grow, /home and /srv. Does it make sense to make one LVM logical volume, mount that as /srv, create /srv/home and mount --bind that as /home? |
| 10:49.08 | aborrero | benedikt: i would rather create 2 lv |
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| 10:49.53 | benedikt | aborrero: thats what I did first. why? |
| 10:49.55 | SynrGy | benedikt: not a horrible approach, but breaks FHS. personally (minus the LVM) i've instead created arbitrary mountpoints and then create the needed directories in those |
| 10:50.02 | benedikt | SynrGy: FHS? |
| 10:50.06 | SynrGy | !fhs |
| 10:50.07 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 10:50.13 | benedikt | ah |
| 10:50.17 | SynrGy | i.e. there should not be a /srv/home, nor a /home/srv |
| 10:50.36 | benedikt | yes, I'm aware of that. But rules-of-thumbs are meant to be boken? |
| 10:50.50 | SynrGy | nothing in FHS prevents me from creating arbitrary top-level mountpoints, and i like them to be short, so I just make: |
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| 10:51.04 | SynrGy | /u1 /u2, etc. for "hunks of disk space" |
| 10:51.18 | SynrGy | then symlink the needed directories into those. |
| 10:51.31 | SynrGy | (bind mount could work here too, and looks tidier, i guess) |
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| 10:52.16 | Valko | Hello, could anybody provide me a command to compress a folder and split at 200 MB? |
| 10:52.26 | benedikt | what stopped me from using two separate lv was that then /srv or /home can only grow to half of what they could otherwise? |
| 10:52.54 | SynrGy | benedikt: i guess since bind mount hides all that, there's no reason to make those mountpoints short. i could've made them more descriptive and kept them in one place not cluttering up / |
| 10:53.11 | SynrGy | yeah, i understand the problem you're trying to solve |
| 10:53.46 | benedikt | so you would have made one partition with the disk space, mounted at e.g. /u1, then symlink /u1/home -> /home and /u1/srv -> /srv ? |
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| 10:54.13 | SynrGy | well, other way around |
| 10:54.21 | SynrGy | /home links to /u1/home, etc. |
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| 10:54.29 | SynrGy | but i like your bind mount idea better. |
| 10:54.40 | benedikt | yeah ofc, brainfart |
| 10:54.44 | SynrGy | it conceals the symlink, which otherwise screws up how pwd looks |
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| 10:55.17 | benedikt | so you are suggesting i should mount the disk space as /u1 instead and create /u1/srv, /u1/home and mount --bind them? |
| 10:55.28 | benedikt | instead of having a /srv/home ? |
| 10:55.52 | repz | hi everybody ! I have a little problem with munin atm, it stopped updating ~1.5 hour ago and logs doesn't tell me anything |
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| 10:56.19 | benedikt | repz: pastebin the logs |
| 10:56.21 | SynrGy | benedikt: yep. only your question has made me rethink where i put the "hunks of space" :) |
| 10:56.38 | repz | benedikt: which one do you want ? |
| 10:56.42 | benedikt | SynrGy: you might be onto something. |
| 10:57.38 | SynrGy | benedikt: again, i think fhs doesn't help here. /mnt is defined as being a single point to put *temporary* mounts, so is unsuitable |
| 10:57.49 | SynrGy | and /media is for automounted removable media |
| 10:58.15 | benedikt | when I was using FC1 (a while ago), I remember that /mnt was used like /media is today |
| 10:58.19 | SynrGy | so we could invent something like /mounts/blah (where 'blah' is instead some descriptive name for the 'hunk') |
| 10:58.38 | SynrGy | length of the name of the hunk isn't an issue if bind-mounting hides it |
| 10:58.47 | repz | benedikt: ? |
| 10:59.08 | benedikt | repz: munin logs, syslog if relevant. I don't know anything about munin but if you post logs about your issue you are more likely to get help |
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| 10:59.25 | benedikt | SynrGy: i'm thinking about mounting /hunk |
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| 11:00.06 | SynrGy | benedikt: as my hunks have evolved over a 20 year period, i'm up to /u12 now. that gets, er, cluttered over time :) |
| 11:00.42 | SynrGy | part of my problem is i exported some of those as networked filesystems and wanted uniform naming/mountpoints across all systems |
| 11:00.57 | benedikt | you've kept the same setup for 20 years? |
| 11:01.02 | SynrGy | yes |
| 11:01.10 | benedikt | thats...impressive. |
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| 11:01.32 | benedikt | my (personal) systems always get cluttered over time and need reinstalling. Thats whats happening now. |
| 11:01.34 | SynrGy | installed debian 0.93R6 first, then reinstalled a couple of times. i think the last reinstall of my oldest system was, um, 1996 |
| 11:01.43 | SynrGy | that was probably 1.2 |
| 11:01.53 | benedikt | partitioning is a big one. i've never been completely satisfied with any partition scheme |
| 11:01.57 | rabbitear_sdf | everything think I think I'll put my opinion on there |
| 11:01.57 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 11:02.25 | Ticho | a small partition for /boot and rest on lvm has always worked for me - for desktops and servers alike |
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| 11:02.34 | benedikt | wait, you still have 1996 hardware running? |
| 11:02.43 | SynrGy | no, of course not |
| 11:02.53 | rabbitear_sdf | 2010 <-- here |
| 11:02.57 | SynrGy | i continuously upgraded the same debian install across multiple hardware generations |
| 11:03.04 | rabbitear_sdf | I mean, other stuff, but thats what I'm typing on |
| 11:03.11 | crepple | benedikt SynrGy that woulda been genuinely amazing :) |
| 11:03.20 | benedikt | Ticho: yes, but "rest on lvm" is kind of a blanket statement. how do you structure the paritions that live on the lvm? |
| 11:03.24 | SynrGy | benedikt: sadly, the continuously-updated since '96 system is dual-booted amd64 and mixed-arch amd64 kernel + i386 architecture at the moment ... |
| 11:03.40 | SynrGy | benedikt: and the i386 (original 1996) install is awaiting a hunk of my time to crossgrade it |
| 11:03.44 | rabbitear_sdf | I'm not sure that I have any 1996 hardware running even |
| 11:03.51 | SynrGy | so i'm temporarily on the new pure-amd64 install ... |
| 11:04.12 | SynrGy | crepple: yes, the crossgrade is on my todo for a "20th anniversary" blog post :) |
| 11:04.14 | Ticho | benedikt: you're right - usually, it's swap, /, /home, /tmp, then depending on the machine more |
| 11:04.19 | rabbitear_sdf | not that it died, its just evenually had to move around |
| 11:04.30 | SynrGy | probably going to use themill's guide for that |
| 11:04.33 | rabbitear_sdf | and electical bills too |
| 11:04.35 | SynrGy | !crossgrade |
| 11:04.35 | dpkg | Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/crossgrading but really... good backups... |
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| 11:04.52 | crepple | I'm not sure I still own any 1996 hardware. I used to have an original imac but it's gone the way of the recycling bank |
| 11:05.05 | rabbitear_sdf | I want a 1983 pacman game. |
| 11:05.14 | benedikt | Ticho: what is your approach if you have two root dirs that are both expected to grow? e.g. /srv and /home? |
| 11:05.21 | rabbitear_sdf | no mame |
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| 11:06.01 | Ticho | benedikt: two separate lvols, of course |
| 11:06.30 | benedikt | Ticho: but then /srv and /home can only grow to half of what they could before |
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| 11:06.54 | rabbitear_sdf | never until 100% |
| 11:07.04 | benedikt | ? |
| 11:07.06 | rabbitear_sdf | has to be 200$ benedikt |
| 11:07.07 | SynrGy | benedikt: if you're vigilant, you partition it in three, two original lvols for the two partitions ... then "hunk of unused space" for future growth ... |
| 11:07.13 | rabbitear_sdf | % |
| 11:07.36 | SynrGy | benedikt: and here's where the vigilance comes in: watch how they're actually growing over time ... expand your lvols using the hunk of unused space as needed. |
| 11:07.50 | benedikt | rabbitear_sdf: 200% of what? i don't understand you |
| 11:07.59 | Ticho | benedikt: you don't have to assign all the space in the beginning, you can give each let's say 10GB in the beginning, and leave rest of the volume group unused |
| 11:08.10 | rabbitear_sdf | benedikt: I don't really get that idea how you put those things together |
| 11:08.14 | SynrGy | benedikt: that way the two lvols grow to exactly what each one needs, with no wasted space |
| 11:08.21 | rabbitear_sdf | benedikt: you fix it soon |
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| 11:08.48 | benedikt | SynrGy: can you reduce a lvol in size safely? |
| 11:08.54 | benedikt | SynrGy: didn't mean to highlight |
| 11:08.55 | SynrGy | benedikt: that's the fantastic thing about lvm. you don't need to worry about sizing it right to start with as you can always add space later |
| 11:09.06 | SynrGy | benedikt: i didn't say to reduce |
| 11:09.11 | SynrGy | only to add as needed |
| 11:09.21 | rabbitear_sdf | benedikt: relax |
| 11:09.39 | SynrGy | in my case, i never used lvm from the outset (it didn't exist in 1996 ;) |
| 11:09.39 | Ticho | you can reduce safely as well, only usually not online - I'm still mad at Linux for not having good filesystems with online shrinking, I guess HPUX spoiled me |
| 11:09.42 | benedikt | i actually have plenty of disk space here (3tb), so I could just make /home and /srv 500G each to start with and see what happens |
| 11:09.49 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: thats ONE thing :) |
| 11:10.02 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: its ONE thing.... get it :) |
| 11:10.18 | SynrGy | though i'm reconsidering that. i could easily fix it up during some downtime |
| 11:10.28 | SynrGy | i have wiggle room to move some stuff around |
| 11:10.33 | rabbitear_sdf | fly boy |
| 11:10.38 | rabbitear_sdf | you are |
| 11:10.40 | rabbitear_sdf | :) |
| 11:11.19 | rabbitear_sdf | just kidding, but thats ONE thing, you don't have worry about resizing |
| 11:11.19 | SynrGy | benedikt: yep, 500G each sounds ample. i have a 3tb and have to deliberately work hard at trying to fill it up :) |
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| 11:12.01 | SynrGy | every once and a while, i clean up a few hundred G as honestly, do i really need all those multiple G of ... whatever ... forever? probably not |
| 11:12.03 | benedikt | so you are suggesting that i keep /srv and /home on separate lvols rather than messing around with mount --bind or symlinks |
| 11:12.08 | rabbitear_sdf | doesn't mean, people know that layer it adds, which is confusing |
| 11:12.15 | Ticho | benedikt: definitely |
| 11:12.17 | SynrGy | not for my home systems anyway |
| 11:12.26 | Ticho | just figure out how much data each of them currently needs to hold, and size them that + 10%, and later expand as needed |
| 11:12.30 | benedikt | Ticho: cool, it sounds reasonable |
| 11:12.33 | SynrGy | benedikt: probably. it's a saner approach for a modern era |
| 11:12.43 | rabbitear_sdf | so that ONE feature, is just ONE out of them MANY reasons why its horrible to use. |
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| 11:12.47 | SynrGy | benedikt: my dinosaur ways should not influence you |
| 11:13.03 | benedikt | i've never gotten partitioning right. not once in the last 15 years, so I really want to try getting it right this time |
| 11:13.12 | rabbitear_sdf | its true, you don't teach anybody about how to fix it |
| 11:13.16 | rabbitear_sdf | you just say it works |
| 11:13.18 | benedikt | SynrGy: i'm heavily influenced by dinasaur ways anyway :) |
| 11:13.22 | rabbitear_sdf | total b.s. |
| 11:13.37 | benedikt | dinosaur* |
| 11:14.21 | Ticho | benedikt: that's the beauty of lvm - you don't have to get partitioning right, you can always change it later |
| 11:14.22 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: so we're engaged in a campaign of FUD about LVM use? you seem to be casting about some broad implications here ... |
| 11:14.38 | Ticho | benedikt: even completely, if you have enough free space, and downtime for moving data around |
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| 11:15.03 | benedikt | do you have to use resize2fs to reduce the size of a lvol? |
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| 11:15.26 | rabbitear_sdf | I use my mind |
| 11:15.29 | SynrGy | LVM might just be overkill for your average desktopuser. i've lived without it for 20 years. but i'm considering using it at some point anyway, just to play. |
| 11:15.33 | Ticho | benedikt: resizing (either way) is always a two-step process - you have the block device (lvol), and the filesystem on the block device |
| 11:15.34 | rabbitear_sdf | my head benedikt |
| 11:15.47 | benedikt | Ticho: this is actually just my personal server, so downtime is OK since it doesn't hurt anybody but me. |
| 11:15.58 | rabbitear_sdf | LVM is for things you don't need to keep |
| 11:15.58 | Ticho | benedikt: shrinking is filesystem first, lvol second, expanding is lvol first, filesystem second |
| 11:16.06 | rabbitear_sdf | or care about.. |
| 11:16.25 | benedikt | Ticho: and both are safe? |
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| 11:17.09 | Ticho | benedikt: quite safe, barring human error, of course |
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| 11:17.44 | benedikt | Ticho: sweet. i'm convinced. starting with smallish lvols for each partition |
| 11:18.08 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: could you please be a bit more coherent. cuz you're filling up the channel with a lot of disjoint sentence fragments and have not plainly stated anything that helps with the current support thread. |
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| 11:18.14 | benedikt | lvm really seems like the future. it's just one of those things i've always meant to understand but never actually tinkered with so it remained a mystery |
| 11:18.34 | rabbitear_sdf | benedikt: grrr, I'm not mad enough to fork the project [[if I could find it]] |
| 11:18.55 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: talking about LVM |
| 11:19.01 | Ticho | Linux lvm is actually quite old - modeled after HPUX lvm, which has been in heavy use for a long time |
| 11:19.06 | benedikt | rabbitear_sdf: you are a rather funny troll. I'm glad i didnt' /ignore you yet :D |
| 11:19.08 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: and why I don't like it |
| 11:19.25 | rabbitear_sdf | :) |
| 11:19.33 | benedikt | Ticho: i remember my friend showing me LVM back in 2003 or something. |
| 11:19.36 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: in a single sentence, what's the problem with using LVM. i don't mind you expressing your opinion on this. i do mind trying to string together 15 lines of sentence fragments to figure out what the hell you're talking about. |
| 11:19.37 | rabbitear_sdf | k, I can not type. |
| 11:19.55 | SynrGy | !enter |
| 11:19.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 11:21.25 | Ticho | benedikt: yes, at that point, the linux implementation of it was much less complete than it is today |
| 11:21.35 | rabbitear_sdf | I'm trolling the debian LVM too much [hell ya I'm a troll], but LVM isn't a new thing, its a COVER, for the crap that was already there...... I don't know everything, but get away from bios limits, and just goto coreboot. kk. |
| 11:21.37 | Ticho | nowadays it even has snapshots and other cool stuff |
| 11:21.51 | crepple | dpkg If you're really lazy you could go with Hunter S Thomson and just replace every punctuation with a hyphen - it's surprisingly readable :) |
| 11:21.51 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, crepple |
| 11:21.55 | benedikt | rabbitear_sdf: you should find something more productive to spend your time on. |
| 11:22.02 | rabbitear_sdf | sorry to be so, .. myself <-- yeah, I'm a charming troll :) |
| 11:22.09 | rabbitear_sdf | just kidding!! |
| 11:22.10 | SynrGy | crepple: er. dpkg is a bot ... |
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| 11:22.25 | Ticho | and not an ELIZA bot :) |
| 11:22.27 | benedikt | Ticho: as i'm reading about lvm i'm wondering "why haven't i been using this?" SynrGy: you might want to think about using lvm for your hunks :) |
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| 11:22.34 | crepple | Yeah I was trying to be funny, but it disn't really work |
| 11:23.02 | SynrGy | benedikt: yeah. exactly. ok. have we exhausted this topic, then? original question answered? |
| 11:23.07 | rabbitear_sdf | its hard work, answer all the quetions |
| 11:23.15 | benedikt | SynrGy: yes, I'm happy :) |
| 11:23.23 | SynrGy | !congratulate benedikt |
| 11:23.23 | dpkg | Huzzah benedikt, you did it! |
| 11:23.26 | rabbitear_sdf | <-- (sp) not really here |
| 11:23.28 | benedikt | haha :D |
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| 11:24.39 | benedikt | what is the difference between /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname and /dev/vgname/lvname ? |
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| 11:31.02 | rabbitear_sdf | god dam it, the mapper/ isthe one thats like /dev/hda /dev/sda |
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| 11:31.27 | rabbitear_sdf | I thought the troll needed to be quiet |
| 11:32.03 | rabbitear_sdf | you have to use the /mapper/ to get to the said file system. |
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| 11:35.36 | rabbitear_sdf | never say things are good |
| 11:36.05 | abnegate | during an install of linux-image-rt-amd64, i got a bunch of warnings like "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169" |
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| 11:36.44 | abnegate | how can i fix that? r8169 is my network card.. i need that :( |
| 11:37.10 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: you put in the fireware files where the installer can find it |
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| 11:37.25 | abnegate | where do i get the files and where do i put them so the installer can find them? |
| 11:37.28 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: where that is? |
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| 11:37.58 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: I'm a slackware user, so I'd figure it out, I actually forgot |
| 11:38.07 | abnegate | hmm |
| 11:38.12 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: but its not unknownable |
| 11:38.17 | abnegate | well, thanks anyway |
| 11:38.23 | rabbitear_sdf | n.p. |
| 11:38.24 | abnegate | maybe someone else here knows? |
| 11:38.36 | SynrGy | it may be a total red herring. not all hardware using r8169 needs it |
| 11:38.37 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: maybe |
| 11:38.41 | SynrGy | does your ethernet otherwise work? |
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| 11:39.28 | Spiralwise | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 11:39.32 | SynrGy | the firmware-realtek package contains the firmware if you just don't like the warnings |
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| 11:39.38 | SynrGy | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 11:39.39 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 11:39.40 | abnegate | SynrGy: it works now.. but i haven't tried rebooting after installing that linux-image-rt-amd64 package.. i'm afraid it'll bork my network, and i'll have trouble getting help online to fix it |
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| 11:39.41 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: maybe the installer, in your comfortable way, asks you where, I believe instead |
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| 11:39.55 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: :) |
| 11:39.57 | SynrGy | abnegate: i doubt it. there's nothing about rt that is specific to these errors |
| 11:40.12 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: you do ask the right questions ;) |
| 11:40.18 | abnegate | SynrGy: that's good to know.. but i'm on wheezy :( |
| 11:40.21 | SynrGy | abnegate: you probably just didn't notice the errors before. |
| 11:40.28 | SynrGy | abnegate: and? |
| 11:40.53 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: you're not display that much difference with your wheezy there |
| 11:41.05 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: just so you understand |
| 11:41.06 | SynrGy | abnegate: if you want to install firmware-realtek from non-free, go ahead. |
| 11:41.10 | abnegate | SynrGy: i thought the packages you mentioned were for squeeze |
| 11:41.17 | SynrGy | abnegate: read the whole line? |
| 11:41.25 | SynrGy | it wraps ... |
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| 11:41.41 | abnegate | ah, ok |
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| 11:41.44 | abnegate | cool |
| 11:42.01 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: which generation of debian do you not get? |
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| 11:42.08 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: all the same bro. |
| 11:42.18 | Spiralwise | Hi, I have a serious issue with ma laptop/Debian with nvidia driver. |
| 11:42.19 | rabbitear_sdf | abnegate: go have fun |
| 11:42.35 | aborrero | I have 2 kernels with the same config, one (3.19) is able to boot from grub and the other isn't (4.0-rc3), I can manually navigate the filesystem from grub, so the harddisk are there. How can I debug why the vmlinuz-4.0.0-rc3 is unable to find the root device? |
| 11:42.41 | SynrGy | rabbitear_sdf: seriously. *so* many short lines. so little actual content ... stop it. last warning |
| 11:43.06 | rabbitear_sdf | SynrGy: okay okay, too focused |
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| 11:43.28 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 11:43.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 11:43.35 | schnitzel__ | Hello there, does Debian consider version 1.2.3.4.suffix10 > 1.2.3.4.suffix1. In other words: Is there natural numbering for suffix numbers? |
| 11:43.38 | SynrGy | aborrero: so, 4.0-rc3 is self-built i guess. |
| 11:43.47 | aborrero | SynrG: yes, both self-built |
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| 11:45.52 | Spiralwise | Are there real good guidelines to install nvidia driver on a laptop (with optimus technology)? |
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| 11:47.19 | abnegate | thanks for your help everyone |
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| 11:50.13 | Spiralwise | I'm looking for some help to install properly a driver for a nvidia laptop. |
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| 11:53.37 | mjkr | on debian, which package include terminfo/termcap files for exotic terminals such as nansi.sys/etc? |
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| 11:54.10 | SynrG | schnitzel__: did someone answer? i had an answer for you but got dumped offline ... |
| 11:54.31 | schnitzel__ | SynrG: no noone :-( |
| 11:54.31 | SynrGy | schnitzel__: dpkg --compare-versions 1.2.3.4.suffix10 gt 1.2.3.4.suffix1 && echo "yes" |
| 11:54.34 | SynrGy | yes |
| 11:54.43 | schnitzel__ | SynrG: cool. thank you! |
| 11:54.48 | SynrGy | np |
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| 11:57.51 | SynrG | mjkr: apt-file search says ncurses-term |
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| 11:58.08 | mjkr | SynrG: let me try it . thank you. |
| 11:58.14 | SynrG | np |
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| 11:58.48 | SynrG | mjkr: also packages.debian.org has a package contents search. apt-file is handy though |
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| 12:00.50 | mjkr | also, i accidentally installed libncurses5-dev with dependencies. now how do i remove those packages installed though? (i don't remember the full list) |
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| 12:01.33 | SynrG | mjkr: after removing libncurses5-dev, the deps should be subject to autoremoval via apt-get autoremove |
| 12:01.53 | SynrG | check that list carefully for sanity ... |
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| 12:02.11 | mjkr | ok... let's see what it gets me |
| 12:02.29 | SynrG | you can mark things manual with aptitude unmarkauto ... |
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| 12:02.35 | SynrG | or just apt-get install |
| 12:02.54 | SynrG | (marking it manual says "no longer consider this autoremovable) |
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| 12:03.36 | mjkr | okey. i actually apt-get purge them individually |
| 12:04.03 | SynrGy | why? |
| 12:04.10 | SynrGy | apt-get autoremove --purge will purge them all |
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| 12:04.44 | SynrGy | if you edit the list of autoremovable things first with apt-get install or aptitude unmarkauto, then autoremove will only remove what you actually want removed. |
| 12:05.13 | mjkr | not a big list though |
| 12:05.15 | mjkr | just five pkgs |
| 12:05.21 | mjkr | so i purge them individually |
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| 12:05.43 | SynrGy | not sure why, but ok |
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| 12:11.37 | mjkr | i just got another weird warning from apt-get install openssh from wheezy's backports "update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match ssh Default-Stop values (none)" does it mean something's wrong? |
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| 12:18.03 | Balin_ | How would ohne automatically detect whether ther was a stable release, meaning that "stable" now would point to "Jessie", rather than "wheezy"? |
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| 12:19.04 | benedikt | is squeeze still getting security updates? |
| 12:19.21 | nkuttler | !tell benedikt about lts |
| 12:19.27 | SirLagz | benedikt: yes, but it's not maintained by the Debian team |
| 12:19.40 | SirLagz | Balin_: why ? |
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| 12:19.52 | benedikt | the recent openssl fixes, did they make their way to squeeze? |
| 12:20.16 | nkuttler | benedikt: no, squeeze is obsolete. maybe the fixes made it into the lts, see the bot msg |
| 12:20.32 | benedikt | nkuttler: editing the sources now to see |
| 12:20.34 | abrotman | Balin_: In general, that's why we tell folks to not use "stable" in their sources |
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| 12:22.28 | CissWit | benedikt: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssl |
| 12:22.35 | benedikt | nkuttler: it did |
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| 12:23.04 | benedikt | CissWit: your link suggests it did not |
| 12:23.19 | Balin_ | SirLagz: I'm writing ansible automation with some dependence on whether the installed distribution is stable or not. Just testing for wheezy doesn't cut that. |
| 12:23.25 | CissWit | benedikt: indeed |
| 12:23.33 | benedikt | CissWit: time to turn off a couple of servers.. |
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| 12:24.05 | nkuttler | Balin_: you can't update your script every few years with the new stable name? |
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| 12:24.26 | SirLagz | Balin_: test for 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 12:24.38 | abnegate | when i run "dbus-monitor" it complains: "Failed to open connection to session bus: /usr/bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally without any error message" but "/etc/init.d/dbus status" reports that "dbus is running" |
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| 12:25.07 | SirLagz | just saw what abrotman said...oops |
| 12:25.08 | CissWit | benedikt: well, as a workaround you should disable export ciphersuite and sslv2 |
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| 12:25.12 | abnegate | the core issue, though, is that i'm trying to start jack, and it prints the same error as "dbus-monitor" and won't start |
| 12:25.30 | benedikt | CissWit: i'll just turn them off and save me some €€€ |
| 12:25.33 | abnegate | btw, i'm trying to start jack through qjackctl |
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| 12:25.50 | CissWit | thus you are only affected by low severity vulnerability (believing openssl advisory) |
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| 12:27.30 | Balin_ | SirLagz: envision a Jessie install ... Starting my playbook On it BEFORE the release as stable is supposed to go with Jessie plain ... After Jessie becoming stable it is supposed to use Jessie-back ports for the kernel etc. to sort that out I need to be able to validate the stable -> name mapping on the fly. Makes sense? |
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| 12:28.00 | SirLagz | Balin_: ah right. |
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| 12:29.09 | Balin_ | Any one |
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| 12:29.41 | nkuttler | Balin_: that doesn't make too much sense, no. backports won't automatically get backported kernels, you'll have to wait for their releases and update your config to install them, etc |
| 12:29.44 | Balin_ | On liners that return the current stable/testing name (from authoritative source)? |
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| 12:30.40 | Balin_ | nkuttler: that's nothing pinning can't take care of. |
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| 12:30.45 | matt__ | hello |
| 12:31.04 | gh0stly | hows everyone doing today? |
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| 12:37.14 | benedikt | is it a bad idea to run vms on a server that also has other purposes? |
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| 12:37.41 | SirLagz | benedikt: depends on a lot of factors |
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| 12:44.01 | scotepi | On 2 of Debian servers I have a sudo logo every 15 minutes from user 1000 that runs "/usr/bin/lsof -nP +c0 -i4TCP" the only thing I can think of that is different between these and my other systems is they are on VMWare |
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| 12:44.22 | scotepi | Its just 1000, no other users |
| 12:44.36 | scotepi | nothing in cron, crontab |
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| 12:46.39 | petn-randall | scotepi: Which user is uid 1000? |
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| 12:47.02 | scotepi | umm... the first user setup on the system, doesnt matter the username |
| 12:47.39 | scotepi | It just seams odd that every 15 minutes something is looking for open connections |
| 12:47.51 | petn-randall | scotepi: Is it a user you 100% control, or is that someone else's account? |
| 12:48.08 | petn-randall | scotepi: cron also has per-user crontabs in /var/spool/cron/ |
| 12:48.10 | scotepi | 100% control, I'm the only person that logs into the server |
| 12:48.29 | petn-randall | scotepi: Some software you installed? |
| 12:48.45 | scotepi | crontab for the user is blank |
| 12:48.46 | petn-randall | scotepi: Is there any other software that is currently running on uid 1000? |
| 12:48.58 | scotepi | nothing I installed should be running as a normal user |
| 12:49.28 | petn-randall | scotepi: ps auxw | grep <username> |
| 12:49.30 | scotepi | nope, uid 1000 is the genaric user, my user is 1001 |
| 12:50.11 | scotepi | I figured it out, doh |
| 12:50.25 | scotepi | its my network inventory program |
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| 12:50.40 | scotepi | its suposed to be using snmp but it looks like it decided to sshd insted |
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| 12:51.59 | scotepi | Oh the interesting things you find after setting up a syslog server |
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| 12:52.45 | scotepi | wonders why the channel is so quite with 1625 users |
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| 12:56.19 | petn-randall | scotepi: Because this is the support channel and people here usually only talk when they have questions. |
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| 13:08.09 | pirithous | is apt-get remove and then apt-get autoremove the best way to completely uninstall a program? |
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| 13:08.22 | pirithous | (with dependencies) |
| 13:08.34 | Che-Anarch | pirithous, apt-get purge |
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| 13:09.22 | SynrG | if by "completely" you mean also any residual configs, what Che-Anarch said. plus apt-get autoremove --purge |
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| 13:09.47 | pirithous | ok thanks |
| 13:09.54 | SynrG | but of course, autoremove does something more than just nuke the deps of the package you just removed |
| 13:09.57 | SynrG | so use it carefully |
| 13:10.32 | Che-Anarch | SynrG I have multiuser enabled - but when I try to do "sudo screen -x user1/test1" I get "Access to session denied." even though I see in "screen -ls" > "(Multi, detached)" - any ideas what I may have missed? |
| 13:11.23 | SynrG | why direct your question at me? give the whole channel a chance :) |
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| 13:12.20 | Che-Anarch | SynrG cause your fast and nice like that :-p |
| 13:12.30 | SynrG | first i ever heard of multiuser. |
| 13:12.39 | SynrG | you just want me to be a man page proxy? ;) |
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| 13:13.20 | Che-Anarch | I really like the multiuser feature with screen when I get it working that is :-p |
| 13:13.35 | pirithous | is apt-get purge a better option to use than apt-get remove? |
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| 13:14.29 | themill | pirithous: purge and remove are different operations; you use the appropriate one. |
| 13:15.13 | pirithous | ok thx |
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| 13:16.21 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: so i've acted as a man-page proxy and just finished reading about multiuser. the man page says you use the commands acladd, aclchg, aclgrp and acldel to enable and disable other users accessing the session. i think your use of sudo, therefore, is incorrect. |
| 13:16.36 | SynrG | see how reading man pages helps? :) |
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| 13:16.48 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: this one's a freebie. next time, look it up |
| 13:17.30 | Che-Anarch | SynrG indeed reading always helps.... I've added acladd's & even done "multiuser on" this is all I needed to do last time IIRC |
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| 13:17.44 | SynrG | acladds for root? |
| 13:17.55 | SynrG | cuz when you sudo screen, you're root ... |
| 13:17.56 | Che-Anarch | yes for root & my user |
| 13:18.00 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 13:18.01 | SynrG | no idea |
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| 13:18.17 | SynrG | why do you need to screen as root? |
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| 13:18.45 | Che-Anarch | SynrG is a system level process would like SUDO / admin users to be able to resume / dive into it to see screen logs, etc |
| 13:18.46 | SynrG | i'd do it the other way around. screen as my user and only open a root shell as needed. |
| 13:19.02 | rgr | +1 |
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| 13:21.54 | gh0stly | hello |
| 13:22.00 | gh0stly | there it goes |
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| 13:25.26 | SynrG | Che-Anarch: so these commands, they seem to be things you put in your ~/.screenrc ... is that what you did? |
| 13:26.07 | gh0stly | how do i change channels on irssi? |
| 13:26.35 | Che-Anarch | SynrG yes sir - I have 3x Line atm... "multiuser on\naclhg root...." |
| 13:26.51 | petn-randall | gh0stly: /join #yourchannel |
| 13:26.52 | SynrG | each time you /join, a new channel window is created. alt-1, alt-2, etc. jumps to that numbered window ... up to the first 20 (use the row of letters beneath the numbers after 0) |
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| 13:28.04 | gh0stly | thanks SynrG |
| 13:28.23 | SynrGy | alt-a goes to the next active window |
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| 13:28.32 | gh0stly | awesome :) |
| 13:28.36 | SynrGy | ctrl-p and ctrl-n to previous and next window, regardless of activity |
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| 13:32.17 | SynrGy | gh0stly: and once you get beyond 20 windows, /win # |
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| 13:32.30 | cem_ | hello guys , is there anybody here who has flex/bison experience ? |
| 13:32.32 | SynrGy | jumps to the numbered window |
| 13:32.44 | SynrGy | cem_: just ask your question |
| 13:32.48 | gh0stly | how do i close a channel? |
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| 13:33.00 | SynrGy | /part * |
| 13:33.18 | Che-Anarch | or /leave sometimes? |
| 13:33.32 | cem_ | i made all necessary things but i get syntax error |
| 13:33.38 | SynrGy | there is also /window close |
| 13:34.05 | SynrGy | cem_: i think without seeing those "necessary things" nor the error, there's not much people can do to help ... use paste.debian.net |
| 13:34.28 | SynrGy | include whatever details you can in order to fully explain your issue |
| 13:34.37 | cem_ | one moment |
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| 13:35.06 | gh0stly | appreciate ya SynrGy |
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| 13:35.47 | SynrGy | cem_: also, debugging code you've written is a bit OT for here. not particulary a debian question ... but maybe you'll get lucky and someone will spot your error right away. |
| 13:35.50 | cem_ | i m trying to make a flex/bison parser for a calculator langugage , here it is my codes , https://paste.kde.org/pe201uzdu , https://paste.kde.org/pyj5j7twv |
| 13:36.15 | SynrGy | can't think exactly who would be the best to go to for help for this kind of question ... |
| 13:36.23 | cem_ | :( |
| 13:37.07 | jelly | there's a tiny ##yacc |
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| 13:37.16 | SynrGy | aside from consistently misspelling "ASSIGN" as "ASSAIGN", i can't see anything wrong ... |
| 13:37.25 | SynrGy | there is? cool |
| 13:37.30 | SynrGy | jelly: update the yacc factoid? |
| 13:37.45 | SynrGy | for that matter, mutally xref the yacc, flex and bison factoids ;) |
| 13:38.01 | cem_ | what do you mean ? |
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| 13:38.21 | jelly | did a hail mary pass at /msg alis list *lex* and *yacc* |
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| 13:40.13 | SynrGy | jelly: ahh. i keep forgetting about alis |
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| 13:40.32 | SynrGy | the dpkg factoids on this topic are pretty poor :p |
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| 13:41.38 | SynrGy | cem_: hm? my mutually xref suggestion? that was for jelly, too |
| 13:41.49 | SynrGy | cem_: my only response to you was: |
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| 13:41.54 | SynrGy | 10:37 < SynrGy> aside from consistently misspelling "ASSIGN" as "ASSAIGN", i can't see anything wrong ... |
| 13:41.54 | cem_ | :D |
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| 13:42.13 | cem_ | thats a misspelling , thats nothing effective |
| 13:42.14 | SynrGy | otherwise, check out ##yacc |
| 13:42.28 | cem_ | i asked there but no answer yet |
| 13:42.30 | SynrGy | yes, but when i see misspellings i wonder if they have cousins |
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| 13:43.28 | SynrGy | and that's enough OT for today. see also: |
| 13:43.29 | SynrGy | !homework |
| 13:43.30 | dpkg | [homework] something you should do yourself. |
| 13:44.07 | jelly | a random C language channel could provide more clues than a distro channel |
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| 13:44.23 | cem_ | i tried there also , nobody gives a shit |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | or maybe ##linux |
| 13:45.11 | jelly | ##linux is not really a programming channel |
| 13:45.26 | jelly | maybe there's a ##programming? :-) |
| 13:45.33 | cem_ | :D |
| 13:45.38 | Che-Anarch | there is #c as well |
| 13:45.55 | jelly | cem_: go search for channels. /msg alis help |
| 13:46.40 | cem_ | i am trying all of them :D |
| 13:47.13 | SynrGy | and then there's using your mind powers, when all else fails. and the doc |
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| 13:47.33 | cem_ | this is my homework , but our professor didnt show anything about flex and bison , and nobody yet does anything about this homework |
| 13:47.52 | SynrGy | shrugs ... |
| 13:48.16 | SynrGy | on irc, people's homework-detectors are fairly finely tuned. and tends to give you a lot of "nobody gives a shit" types of responses |
| 13:48.40 | cem_ | no |
| 13:48.48 | SynrGy | plus, when you start cross-posting all over various irc channels for help, it doesn't help with your reputation :p |
| 13:49.27 | cem_ | but i am not asking anybody to my homework for my own good, i am just too unfamiliar to stuff , so i am asking a little help , i made almost everything by myself already |
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| 13:51.55 | SynrGy | cem_: my last bit of free advice for today about getting help on the internet. when you stumbled in here (wrong channel for your question) you asked in such an entirely vague way as to virtually guarantee no response. so: |
| 13:51.59 | SynrGy | !smart questions |
| 13:52.00 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 13:52.09 | SynrGy | study that. and find the *appropriate* place to ask |
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| 13:53.25 | SynrGy | !next |
| 13:53.26 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 13:53.27 | mo1991reg | !lts |
| 13:53.32 | cem_ | :D |
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| 13:53.42 | cem_ | you are so rude and helpful :D |
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| 13:55.15 | SynrGy | well, a) you need to know when you're being annoying and b) you need to know how to not be annoying anymore. i really have your best interests in mind. |
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| 13:56.14 | cem_ | :D ty |
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| 14:03.30 | DrOwl | Hi All, I am going to start a new install, i fancied trying the KfreeBSD image but i use XFCE desdtop, is there so way to get the Kfreebds install with xfce built in |
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| 14:06.14 | DrOwl | doh |
| 14:06.49 | DrOwl | i missed that part of the wiki "GNOME is the default desktop when installing Debian GNU/Linux, but GNU/kFreeBSD instead installs XFCE by default if "Graphical desktop environment" is selected in the installer. " |
| 14:07.19 | jelly | automatic for the people |
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| 14:11.46 | InnerFIRE | anyone know how to delay a mount until the needed daemon is running? |
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| 14:12.16 | greycat | Needs more details. What daemon? |
| 14:12.28 | greycat | Can this daemon just *do* the mount for you? |
| 14:12.38 | InnerFIRE | open-iscsi |
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| 14:13.08 | InnerFIRE | right now I have the mount in /etc/fstab and it loads after the network but before open-iscsi loads |
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| 14:13.30 | jelly | InnerFIRE: make sure the daemon is started before mountall.sh runs? |
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| 14:14.04 | greycat | has not used iscsi yet, but is probably going to start using it some time soon, so pays attention |
| 14:14.14 | InnerFIRE | jelly: I'm dying to know why that wouldn't be the default |
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| 14:15.38 | Walex | InnerFIRE: there are several good reasons, and a bad one: limited intellectual bandwidth or knowledge |
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| 14:16.19 | Walex | InnerFIRE: in most cases people want "storage" to come up before "network" comes up. Think NFS servers. |
| 14:17.07 | greycat | The bot's <iscsi> factoid links to a missing wiki page |
| 14:17.08 | Walex | InnerFIRE: but in some cases one has to make a distinction between the "network" *category* and specific instances of that category. |
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| 14:17.47 | Walex | InnerFIRE: I have the same problem with DRBD backed filetrees. |
| 14:18.04 | InnerFIRE | yes, same problem with glusterfs as well |
| 14:18.31 | Walex | InnerFIRE: BTW incidentally I have found the fundamental solution to all 'init' system debates, and it is amazingly elegant and simple. |
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| 14:18.47 | Walex | InnerFIRE: but I am not sure that the world is ready for that :-) |
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| 14:20.00 | Walex | InnerFIRE: the idea which I practice in minimal form on my home systems, is effectively to use *automounters* or things like *inetd* as 'init'. |
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| 14:20.54 | duckey | How can I set my swappiness level? |
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| 14:21.19 | Walex | InnerFIRE: that is, when you try to mount the filesystem, that triggers an automount, that triggers the start of the iscsi daemon, that triggers bringing up networking and so on. So that when a system boots until there is an actual access attempt to a resource (nearly) nothing gets started. |
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| 14:21.39 | Walex | duckey: 'sysctl vm/swappiness=NN' |
| 14:21.42 | greycat | dpkg, iscsi =~ s#http://wiki.debian.org/iSCSI#https://wiki.debian.org/SAN/iSCSI# |
| 14:21.42 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:22.18 | InnerFIRE | Walex: that.. actually sounds like it could solve my problem |
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| 14:22.56 | Walex | InnerFIRE: regrettably current 'init' systems don't quite work that way. |
| 14:23.12 | Walex | InnerFIRE: so currently I just hack it in '/etc/rc.local'. |
| 14:23.23 | InnerFIRE | lol so do I |
| 14:23.44 | Walex | InnerFIRE: but if you like awesome geekery, here is a wonderful thing I wrote: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/anno06-3rd.html#060928 |
| 14:23.53 | Walex | is the most modest person in the world |
| 14:24.05 | duckey | Walex is that permanent or until I reboot? |
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| 14:24.20 | Walex | duckey: until reboot. You can use '/etc/sysctl.conf' |
| 14:24.49 | Walex | duckey: be advised that changing 'swappiness' is a very subtle operation with sometimes unintented consequences. |
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| 14:25.05 | hikenboot | HI have a problem with my screen brightness. When I go into the panel app it says "debian could nto get screen information" this is no longer handled by xrand is that correct? |
| 14:25.14 | hikenboot | this is in jessie |
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| 14:28.08 | Walex | InnerFIRE: BTW I have a draft blog post here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/drafts2.html#150218 where I discuss my "automounter" as 'init' idea. |
| 14:28.50 | InnerFIRE | Walex: I think that systemd must get us halfway there |
| 14:29.18 | Walex | InnerFIRE: I am one of the guys who has little respect for 'systemd'... |
| 14:29.27 | hikenboot | have to reboot tried to fix it...looks like I broke it worse...sigh |
| 14:29.33 | greycat | systemd just scares me at this point. It's so ungodly complicated. |
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| 14:29.40 | Walex | InnerFIRE: 'systemd' has a sort-of "pull" instead of "push" logic. |
| 14:29.54 | Walex | InnerFIRE: that is the only good thing, but it does not go far enough. |
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| 14:31.31 | Walex | InnerFIRE: 'upstart' could be used to go the full way. 'upstart' has a mistaken reputation of being "push" based, like SysV-init style, but actually that is wrong because only the current set of default scripts is "push" based. One could equally well with 'upstart' write "pull" based scripts. |
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| 14:32.27 | Walex | InnerFIRE: BTW if you have some latitude in what you can adopt I was impressed by 'nosh', which is a drop-in replacement for 'systemd' and a very focused one: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html |
| 14:33.00 | Walex | there are a few other 'make'/"pull"/"automounter"/'inetd' style 'init' replacements. |
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| 14:34.02 | Walex | greycat: "systemd ... ungodly complicated.": that's because it is not just an 'init' system, but a new platform. |
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| 14:35.30 | InnerFIRE | I can't go crazy with nonstandard |
| 14:35.31 | Walex | greycat: the basic premise of 'systemd' is that the UNIX/POSIX/Linux platform is underspecified as to functionality useful for sessions/jop/resource management, so 'systemd' is proposed as new platform on top of the UNIX/POSIX/Linux kernel that provides those services, a bit like X Windows is a GUI platform. |
| 14:35.39 | InnerFIRE | my junior admin needs to maintain it |
| 14:35.56 | InnerFIRE | and he gets annoyed when there are too many diferent things he needs to work with |
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| 14:36.53 | Walex | greycat: that's why it is so complicated: it is in essence a wrapper/extender around the kernel, a bit like the 'stdio' library. |
| 14:36.58 | InnerFIRE | greycat: how do you know it's ungodly complicated? as far as I can tell it's just not what I'm used to buut has it's own quirks |
| 14:37.35 | Walex | InnerFIRE: 'systemd' has been proposed a replacement for *distributions*... |
| 14:37.47 | InnerFIRE | uh. by who? |
| 14:37.52 | InnerFIRE | and what's your source? |
| 14:37.59 | Walex | InnerFIRE: Poettering of course... |
| 14:38.02 | SynrG | i think we've strayed from providing support and into philosophy, and flogging our own pet projects ... |
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| 14:38.28 | SynrG | not that i want to squelch such discussion. i'm just not convinced here is the place for it. |
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| 14:39.01 | SynrG | looks like actual questions are now being missed in the huge scroll. |
| 14:39.06 | Walex | SynrG: a bit, but <InnerFIRE> has practical issues with job/process/session management, and they exist in a wider context, and the channel is not particularly busy now. |
| 14:39.06 | yuiz | would anyone know why im getting error with debian 6 32 bit iso inside of vmware workstation 11? |
| 14:39.31 | InnerFIRE | yuiz: what kind of error? |
| 14:39.35 | Walex | SynrG: 'nosh' was a suggestion as to how to solve his startup dependency problems... |
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| 14:40.38 | jelly | yuiz: what kind of an error precisely? |
| 14:40.40 | yuiz | EDD: Error 8000 reading sector 1896532 |
| 14:40.41 | yuiz | No default or UI configuration directive found! is the error im getting when im installing debian 6 squeeze 32 bit iso to vmware |
| 14:40.42 | InnerFIRE | Walex: he is right though..l the topic is so FUD laden that it's hard to sort through actual facts |
| 14:40.54 | bytecounter | Hi @all. I'am looking for a group about live-cd configurations |
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| 14:41.31 | mrtnt | Is there a modern alternative for ncp? Allows file transfers. |
| 14:41.57 | SynrG | mrtnt: tell us what kind of file transfer |
| 14:42.10 | greycat | is that... Novell?! |
| 14:42.18 | yuiz | when i downloaded the iso it was from debian main site... and it was full dvd 1 iso image for i386 (32 bit) |
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| 14:42.39 | greycat | why on earth did you download a full DVD image... |
| 14:42.49 | mrtnt | greycat: yes :) |
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| 14:43.09 | greycat | mrtnt: I fail to understand why you used that emoticon... |
| 14:43.15 | yuiz | trying to install it on VMware workstation |
| 14:43.18 | SynrG | mrtnt: are you saying you have a novell network and want a modern equivalent for file transfers on it? |
| 14:43.24 | yuiz | EDD: Error 8000 reading sector 1896532 |
| 14:43.24 | yuiz | No default or UI configuration directive found! is the error im getting when im installing debian 6 squeeze 32 bit iso to vmware |
| 14:43.28 | InnerFIRE | yuiz: from virtual media? |
| 14:43.32 | yuiz | so im not quite sure what is going on |
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| 14:43.44 | yuiz | https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 14:43.47 | SynrG | mrtnt: or if not, try specifying more exactly what kind of network file transfer you need. |
| 14:44.00 | SynrG | mrtnt: i would say scp, without knowing particularly what you're looking for. |
| 14:44.03 | yuiz | dvd FULL sets i386 |
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| 14:45.20 | abrotman | yuiz: why are you using squeeze? |
| 14:45.32 | yuiz | i need it for work |
| 14:45.47 | yuiz | it calls for 32 bit squeeze |
| 14:45.50 | abrotman | (you should still use the netinst, not sure what vmware workstation has to do with it) |
| 14:46.01 | abrotman | your work should be fired .. |
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| 14:46.11 | greycat | squeeze isn't THAT old. |
| 14:46.21 | greycat | and there's a squeeze-lts (long term support) group |
| 14:46.46 | yuiz | yupp |
| 14:46.57 | yuiz | net install wasnt working either |
| 14:47.02 | greycat | (That said, I still don't know why you downloaded a full DVD image instead of the net-install) |
| 14:47.05 | abrotman | yuiz: same error? |
| 14:47.11 | yuiz | um |
| 14:47.34 | mrtnt | SynrG: I would like to share files with my colleague in a way that I start ncp(or some other similar utility) server and he sends me file without any authentication. |
| 14:47.45 | mrtnt | *share and receive files |
| 14:47.51 | yuiz | ill have to download the net install and let you know the error im getting |
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| 14:48.04 | abrotman | yuiz: and you're getting the i386 version? |
| 14:48.07 | yuiz | usually with debian i just download the iso file and start |
| 14:48.11 | yuiz | yes |
| 14:48.19 | InnerFIRE | yuiz: your download is corrupt |
| 14:48.21 | yuiz | i386 |
| 14:48.51 | yuiz | it downloaded just fine |
| 14:48.52 | abrotman | yuiz: again, please try the i386 netinst for the version of Debian you want |
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| 14:49.07 | InnerFIRE | mrtnt: try Lan Messanger |
| 14:49.08 | abrotman | yuiz: you can do checksums on the ISO to ensure the download is correct |
| 14:49.22 | yuiz | how would i go about doing that? |
| 14:49.41 | greycat | md5sum *.iso |
| 14:49.51 | SynrG | mrtnt: again, i'm not sure what ncp did, but scp (or sftp) could be used to share files. if it's a matter of not entering a password each time, you could use passwordless ssh keys |
| 14:49.57 | abrotman | yuiz: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 14:50.33 | SynrG | mrtnt: be careful with that. if you don't fully trust your colleague to not overwrite your files, you probably don't want to grant coworker unfettered access to write on your account ... |
| 14:50.47 | SynrG | mrtnt: set up a special account to use as the intermediary, perhaps? |
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| 14:51.36 | yuiz | well i was told yesterday on irc not to do cd |
| 14:51.37 | SynrG | mrtnt: or grant coworker an account on the target system. |
| 14:51.39 | yuiz | and do ISO |
| 14:52.09 | SynrG | mrtnt: then coworker just does scp filename remotesystem: |
| 14:52.25 | SynrG | mrtnt: and that lands in coworker's account on remotesystem |
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| 14:52.40 | abrotman | yuiz: yes, get the ISO netinst .. |
| 14:52.53 | yuiz | ill still get an error |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | yuiz: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.10-i386-netinst.iso this one |
| 14:52.59 | yuiz | just a different one |
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| 14:54.08 | greycat | mrtnt: Have you considered setting up an intermediary Windows system that has Novell + modern CIFS on it? Then your Novell colleague can read and write to the intermediary using Novell, and you can read and write to it using smbclient. |
| 14:54.10 | DrOwl | ok, so i downloaded the k3bsd...netinst.iso and copied it to a usb drive using dd, now my debian desktop mounts the stick fine, but if i try to look at it with fdisk or gparted i get an error like: "device contains a valid 'iso9660' signature". and the laptop i want to install it on will not reconice it as a boot device |
| 14:55.04 | DrOwl | how might i do this diffrently? |
| 14:55.08 | Che-Anarch | Is there a way to update / reload user configurations without having them login? - looking for some other method than "source" etc |
| 14:55.13 | SynrG | mrtnt, greycat: i may have misunderstood, but i thought you were indicating "something that does what ncp, but not over a novell network". so please correct me if my assumption is wrong (and greycat's is right) |
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| 14:55.46 | abrotman | Che-Anarch: depends on the app in question |
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| 15:01.58 | mrtnt | SynrG, greycat: I think it has nothing to do with Novell. Turned out, that I had it installed in one older FreeBSD machine. Manul of ncp can be seen here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/web-man?command=ncp§ion=1 |
| 15:02.30 | greycat | dear gods. |
| 15:02.47 | greycat | it's like... a netcat hack, that somehow grew a man page |
| 15:03.08 | mrtnt | greycat: to be honest, that's what I also thought :) |
| 15:03.22 | SynrG | so, yeah, that's ... pretty horrible |
| 15:03.34 | SynrG | so coworker *can* write all over your files? without authentication? |
| 15:03.47 | greycat | If you want to share a directory between two Linux boxes without requiring user-level auth, just do NFS. |
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| 15:06.14 | jelly | mh, I'd rather key-based sftp than nfs |
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| 15:07.32 | greycat | Depends on the situation. If we're talking about coworkers in the same building, NFS is perfectly sensible. If it's some weird 21st century "virtual office" model, then.... |
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| 15:09.00 | mrtnt | greycat, SynrG: thanks! I'll go with NFS. |
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| 15:10.12 | Tuplanolla | I just had my system crash after almost 300 days of uptime. It simply froze and kept repeating the last 500 ms of audio in the buffer. The system didn't even respond to Alt SysRq keys as it usually does. |
| 15:10.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | i blame lennart. |
| 15:10.31 | Tuplanolla | Where should I look to find the cause? |
| 15:10.47 | petn-randall | greycat: Written by Fefe. He also works as a security consultant nowadays. |
| 15:10.54 | Tuplanolla | Perhaps something in /var/log could be useful. |
| 15:11.33 | pineapple_ | hello, i'm compile openwrt, it download source tarball then compile it. Whe the make file download tge source from external server, the wget respond "Connectong to 192.168.0.3:80" and it fail... what's mean? |
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| 15:12.03 | greycat | petn-randall: <cynical> So he wrote it to give himself job security? </cynical> |
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| 15:15.27 | Walex | Tuplanolla: that's fairly typical, and causes can be many: bug in sound driver (plenty usually), timing bug on bus between sound chip and graphics chip, heat issues, low voltage issues. Most likely there won't be any relevant log messages, unless there have been previous troubles that may give some hints. |
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| 15:15.57 | Tuplanolla | That's just dandy. |
| 15:16.15 | Walex | pineapple_: I think OpenWRT have their own channel... |
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| 15:17.04 | pineapple_ | Walex, i've already tried with no answer |
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| 15:20.13 | Walex | pineapple_: the difficulty with this channel is that this is for Debian... You may want to try ##Linux which does all distros in a generic way |
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| 15:21.57 | Walex | Tuplanolla: "bug in sound driver (plenty usually)" also bug in the sound chip, and there are even more. Lots of chips like sound chips are designed by the lowest bidder in Taiwan... |
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| 15:22.49 | Tuplanolla | My first suspect was the graphics driver. |
| 15:22.52 | pineapple_ | Walex, yes, i know... but already asked also in ##linux... Bwt i'll try again there :) |
| 15:22.56 | einyx | someone that can take a look to a submission form for a new mirror? |
| 15:24.47 | petn-randall | greycat: Probably. He is known for his fairly popular http://blog.fefe.de, where he for example bashed the gpg guy for not accepting his suggestions, etc. |
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| 15:25.31 | petn-randall | greycat: He's not a bad guy, he's quite funny and fairly productive regarding digital activism. |
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| 15:39.02 | hikenboot | I now have a NVIDIA Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GT] (rev a1) (older I know) I have configured it using sgfxi script in jessie. Only one problem the screen brightness is too low...anyone know how to fix (by the way using lcd screen but its a desktop, also screen brightness is at 100% |
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| 15:40.42 | srg | I run unbound on my laptop. When I'm at home, my school's domains work fine. When I'm on my school's network, I get a SERVFAIL. I was hoping someone could help me diagnose exactly what's going on here. Is my school's network hijacking my DNS? http://pastebin.com/cQGB1gFF |
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| 15:40.49 | abrotman | again ... |
| 15:41.15 | abrotman | waves at srg from down the street |
| 15:41.37 | srg | waves back, slightly confused |
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| 15:41.56 | abrotman | srg: #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:43.12 | greycat | srg: #dns might be the best place to ask. Short answer: it's POSSIBLE that your school's firewall is intercepting your DNS requests and breaking shit. |
| 15:44.01 | ChrisH | srg: check what the school DHCP offers as DNS Server and ask them directly. It might be that they run internally other IPs/Views as externally |
| 15:45.46 | srg | yeah, i do ignore their dhcp server for the search domain and DNS servers |
| 15:45.56 | srg | in my resolv.conf |
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| 15:46.53 | Filystyn | cheat engine alternative for debian? |
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| 15:47.46 | Tuplanolla | I've been looking for something like that as well. At least scanmem isn't up for the job. |
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| 15:48.01 | Tuplanolla | Radare might have something. |
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| 15:49.49 | petn-randall | Filystyn: Can you elaborate your question? |
| 15:49.55 | abrotman | srg: can you connect to a different AP to check? |
| 15:50.50 | Tuplanolla | A tool for real-time predicate-based memory scanning and editing, petn-randall. |
| 15:51.16 | srg | abrotman: Hm, maybe I can use the EduRoam network instead |
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| 15:57.50 | srg | abrotman: #dns's answer: "university networks suck" |
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| 15:58.51 | abrotman | srg: Very helpful indeed |
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| 16:00.58 | teraflop | srg: http://a.pomf.se/vpnnxz.png ;) |
| 16:01.05 | aphorise | I'm starting a screen via "su -c 'screen.....' -s /bin/bash USER" - but when I try to resume on that I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check." - even though the screen is there... is there something I'm missing not doing right? |
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| 16:02.00 | darxmurf | have a good week-end ! |
| 16:02.10 | Vroomfondel | aphorise: when you try to re-attach the screen, are you using su? |
| 16:03.43 | aphorise | Vroomfondel no I've tried via "sudo screen -x ..." also but I see the executing USER is what I've set as too the screen so I shouldnt need to? |
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| 16:05.01 | aphorise | Vroomfondel when doing "sudo screen -x USER/test" I get: Access Denined |
| 16:05.15 | Filystyn | Tuplanolla radare2 is cool |
| 16:05.25 | Filystyn | thank you |
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| 16:05.44 | talin_ | hello. is there a way to install mutt with openssl-support? |
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| 16:06.32 | AR45 | Hello I need some help enabling audio on my computer running debian jessie. |
| 16:06.39 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 16:06.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:06.52 | Vroomfondel | aphorise: I don't understand what you think the USER bit is going to do? |
| 16:07.31 | Vroomfondel | aphorise: you're running screen via a root shell, so it'll get attached to root's PTY, which others can't access |
| 16:07.42 | aphorise | Vroomfondel well I'm trying to execute / initiate a screen session via another user thus "su -c '.....' -s /bin/bash USER" then to resume on this. |
| 16:07.54 | abrotman | aphorise: screen does have ACLs |
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| 16:08.50 | aphorise | abrotman acls are not the issue here... the way I'm trying to execute screen on behalf of user is what ssems to be my issue atm |
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| 16:08.58 | ni291187 | http://yasy.treson.ru/191404540/4656505/ |
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| 16:09.30 | Vroomfondel | aphorise: ah. Try: -l USER |
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| 16:10.05 | aphorise | Vroomfondel the "-l USER" need to go togther? cause I'm putting USER at end randomly |
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| 16:10.31 | Vroomfondel | aphorise: yeah put "-l USER" at the end instead of just USER |
| 16:11.23 | Vroomfondel | (this is just a hunch, but I wonder if su is receiving "/bin/bash USER" as the argument to -s, instead of treating it as a username to log in to |
| 16:11.26 | Vroomfondel | ) |
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| 16:12.34 | Che-Anarch | Vroomfondel, good hunch - you are most likely right! |
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| 16:30.22 | buu | Is there a good way to force: program > outfile; to sync every x seconds? |
| 16:30.27 | buu | *fsync |
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| 16:30.59 | buu | Or force it to sync externally? |
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| 16:37.28 | jelly | buu: sync, or flush stdout buffers? |
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| 16:37.41 | buu | jelly: Hrm, for some reason sync in another window isn't doing it.. |
| 16:37.49 | buu | Must be stupid stuff going on |
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| 16:38.00 | jelly | buu: right, you can call sync any time you want |
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| 16:40.06 | buu | jelly: Basically I'm doing something similar to cat > out; and then ending it with ctrl-c; except my cat program always writes in groups of 4 lines and I'm seeing an ending group of 2 lines |
| 16:40.18 | buu | hm |
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| 16:41.05 | jelly | buu: call something like fflush() un your app |
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| 16:42.02 | buu | Yeah I was hoping to avoid that. Oh well. |
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| 17:07.33 | digityuo | http://bosscade.com/e?r=fbx4tE4sd |
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| 17:09.05 | SignorD | I have to buy a new laptop, and I wanted it to be the occation to switch to Debian (form OS X). But I wonder if it will complicated to install the OS and the required blobs to get it to work properly: the model I am looking at will have i7 Broadwell, Intel HD Graphics and Intel wifi card (7260). Any advice? |
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| 17:10.07 | martin-_- | hi which mutex is used by default in debian sarge / lenny? |
| 17:10.10 | SignorD | By the way, anyone using Schenker computers, any advice on them? http://mysn.co.uk/ |
| 17:10.49 | martin-_- | or how can i list all installed mutex modules? |
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| 17:12.18 | centrx | martin-_-, Isn't that a core kernel feature? |
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| 17:12.26 | centrx | martin-_-, Why are you using such an old distribution? |
| 17:12.35 | martin-_- | old nas hardware centrx |
| 17:13.00 | martin-_- | I trie to compile Berkeley DB but it doesn't find a proper mutex module |
| 17:14.43 | centrx | oh you probably need to install libpthread or libpthread-dev |
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| 17:15.00 | centrx | something like that |
| 17:15.03 | centrx | POSIX threads |
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| 17:16.14 | martin-_- | ah ok i trie that one |
| 17:17.09 | martin-_- | ah ok ... now i get the error message ... checking for mutexes... UNIX/fcntl |
| 17:17.19 | martin-_- | configure: error: Support for FCNTL mutexes was removed in BDB 4.8. |
| 17:17.38 | martin-_- | So i need an newer mutex implementetion |
| 17:17.55 | martin-_- | or i use an older berkeley db |
| 17:18.09 | martin-_- | If i understood correctly |
| 17:18.59 | krthnz | SignorD: love em, bought one 2 years ago |
| 17:20.03 | greycat | They're just talking about file locks, jeez. |
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| 17:20.25 | greycat | fcntl() and flock() are the two C functions for doing file locks. |
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| 17:23.42 | centrx | martin-_-, What version of Berkeley DB are you installing? |
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| 17:23.57 | centrx | martin-_-, You're not going to have much luck installing 2015 version of BDB on 2005 version of Debian |
| 17:24.12 | martin-_- | db 6.1.1.19 |
| 17:24.37 | greycat | Do you really need a newer version of BDB than the versions that ship with Debian itself? |
| 17:24.52 | martin-_- | yes. openldpa needs a newer version |
| 17:25.40 | centrx | Warning: You're going to end up compiling and maintaining your own custom distribution |
| 17:25.42 | SignorD | krthnz: thank you! |
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| 17:26.45 | krthnz | the only thing I dont like: the fan is very loud when playing games or something, also the built in sound system is terrible |
| 17:27.00 | krthnz | but everything else is awesome, including their support |
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| 17:27.42 | SignorD | krthnz: well, I was considering the S405, and not to play games |
| 17:28.57 | krthnz | ah ok |
| 17:30.00 | SignorD | krthnz: any problem installing debian? |
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| 17:30.25 | krthnz | none |
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| 17:30.38 | martin-_- | I will try Berkeley DB 4.7.25.tar.gz |
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| 17:35.41 | stava | I'm trying to extend a partition to fill the remaining free space on the harddrive. I have LVM set up, but I just can't wrap my head around the resize/extend procedure, and I really don't want to lose my data. Could you help me with this? This is my "lvs" output: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8826617 |
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| 17:36.14 | centrx | Do back up. |
| 17:36.56 | stava | centrx Of course, I will. But it is my understanding that this should be possible without the loss of data |
| 17:37.27 | centrx | Yes I am just mentioning |
| 17:37.29 | centrx | I don't know about LVM |
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| 17:38.48 | Shadow_7 | Heh. That lenovo s405 is almost the same specs as my hp steam 11. Except for better gfx card, more ram, real HDD, and larger display. |
| 17:39.05 | Shadow_7 | stava: you could clone your install to another device and clone it back. |
| 17:39.32 | Shadow_7 | stava: rsync is one way to do that. Pretty easy if you have some usb bootable options. |
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| 17:39.50 | SignorD | Shadow_7: Lenovo S405 or Schenker? |
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| 17:40.37 | stava | Shadow_7: Backup is no problem, I've a copy of the VDI file (this is a virtual machine) |
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| 17:41.04 | stava | I just need to issue the correct LVM commands to fill up the remaining space |
| 17:41.34 | Shadow_7 | SignorD: both are about the same tbh. And nearly twice the price of the hp stream 11. |
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| 17:42.21 | Shadow_7 | SignorD: although the hp stream 11 is an 11" lower res display and only two colors, blue-ish, and red-ish. |
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| 17:44.13 | Shadow_7 | stava: I tend the mkfs the partition when I do an install, even if I'm just expanding. The rsync to clone the files onto it gets rid of file fragmentation which makes things seem more snappy. Until you use / update things for a while. |
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| 17:46.18 | stava | Shadow_7 And I thought fragmentation was only a thing on FAT32 or NTFS. But I dont even know what it is anyway. What you're saying is that resizing may corrupt my files somehow? |
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| 17:48.14 | Shadow_7 | stava: no. fragmentation is files are not stored on adjacent chunks of the filesystem. Which doesn't mean fat32 / win95 type performance degradation. But having things closer and continuous can help improve read times (for slow spinning disks). |
| 17:49.08 | stava | I get it |
| 17:49.09 | Shadow_7 | and more continuous can help disaster recovery where backups don't exist. |
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| 17:53.51 | OldParr | is there any java plugin for chromium or iceweasel on the repos ? |
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| 17:54.59 | Shadow_7 | OldParr: icedtead? |
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| 17:56.59 | abrotman | icedtea .. close ;) |
| 17:58.06 | Shadow_7 | I still use the oracle one through strategically placed symlinks. Although I'm not sure why anymore. |
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| 17:58.35 | greycat | ^^ what Shadow_7 said. |
| 17:58.46 | OldParr | thank you |
| 17:58.48 | devslash | In debian is the syntax update-rc.d servicename defaults the correct way to have a service start at boot up |
| 17:58.56 | greycat | I can't even recall the last time I had to use a java applet inside a browser. |
| 17:59.15 | OldParr | i am installing icedtea-plugin |
| 17:59.22 | trysten | what is supposed to source .profile? why does it not get sourced when i login with ssh? |
| 17:59.23 | Shadow_7 | greycat: anytime ea/sony had a product you wanted to actually use. |
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| 17:59.53 | greycat | Oh, I think it might have been for configuring a hardware RAID device. |
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| 18:00.25 | devslash | is that correct ? |
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| 18:01.11 | greycat | depends on what you did to make it NOT start up in the first place |
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| 18:16.25 | inspire | We build packages, and have an internal repo. One of our packages has gotten "stuck" so that it always calls for upgrade. apt-cache policy shows it as "*** 30+2.1.1728+dev 0 / 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" as well as "500 <repository> Packages" |
| 18:16.54 | inspire | So last time that happened, it seems it was duplicate deps in the control file, but this time, that's not the case... |
| 18:17.28 | inspire | So I'm hoping somebody here has a hint as to what else I should look at... TIA |
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| 18:25.55 | devslash | I'm on a debian based distro. How do I get the service nginx to auto start at boot up. It works fine if I manually start it. I did update-rc.d nginx defaults and get a warning "insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `nginx' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5)." and "insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `nginx' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6)." but when I reboot it doesn't auto start |
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| 18:28.17 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 18:28.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:28.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | what are "pure <blend>s |
| 18:28.53 | SynrG | devslash: sounds like they screwed up their nginx package. if you used debian this would 'just work' |
| 18:29.11 | SynrG | devslash: consider using a distro we support here, i.e. debian |
| 18:29.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | and what the arrows? |
| 18:29.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/what/why/ |
| 18:30.12 | SynrG | <foo> is a factoid reference |
| 18:30.23 | SynrG | NoImNotNineVolt: why don't you /msg dpkg blend |
| 18:30.26 | Spec | where's the other factoid? frankenebian? :P |
| 18:30.51 | centrx | !frankendebian |
| 18:30.52 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:31.16 | devslash | I installed it fro mthe official repos |
| 18:31.27 | SynrG | Spec: no. and centrx, no. |
| 18:31.52 | SynrG | devslash: look, we support debian. full stop. |
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| 18:32.14 | devslash | ok and ? |
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| 18:32.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | aha, i see. |
| 18:32.21 | devslash | I am using a debian based distro |
| 18:32.21 | greycat | there is no and. |
| 18:32.23 | centrx | devslash, Find the channel for this mysterious "debian based distro" |
| 18:32.38 | SynrG | devslash: read what dpkg bot said above. we don't support you. sorry |
| 18:32.47 | musca | devslash: you can try ##linux |
| 18:32.55 | SynrG | devslash: or go install debian and come back and we can help with nginx on that. |
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| 18:37.22 | frangor | hi |
| 18:37.39 | hwpplayer1 | hi frangor |
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| 18:48.32 | JohnnyL | why isn't /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables script being run at boot time? |
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| 18:52.48 | valdyn | JohnnyL: its run before any network interface is brought up |
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| 18:53.02 | valdyn | JohnnyL: or each network interface is brought up even |
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| 18:55.57 | JohnnyL | valdyn: suggestions? |
| 18:56.11 | greycat | bring up your network interface(s) |
| 18:56.22 | valdyn | JohnnyL: bring up any network interface, then its run |
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| 19:17.58 | JohnnyL | How do I run 'ifconfig lo up' at debian startup? i tried /etc/profile but failed miserably. |
| 19:18.28 | greycat | It should be run automatically, by virtue of the "auto lo" line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:18.49 | uuiz | hey im back |
| 19:19.22 | uuiz | could anyone tell me why my download keeps corrupting? |
| 19:19.24 | uuiz | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 19:19.35 | Brigo | JohnnyL, did you solve your problem with iptables? |
| 19:19.37 | uuiz | im trying to download 32 bit debian squeeze |
| 19:19.48 | JohnnyL | Brigo: yes. i use ip-persistence now. |
| 19:19.49 | uuiz | from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 19:20.07 | Brigo | JohnnyL, right :) |
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| 19:20.23 | greycat | uuiz: use a net install image, not a DVD image. |
| 19:20.40 | uuiz | that one isnt working either |
| 19:20.56 | uuiz | im trying to download it via VMware workstation |
| 19:21.20 | greycat | And the md5 sum is different? |
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| 19:21.34 | JohnnyL | iface wlan0 inet <--- linux reports I don't have enough options on this line in /etc/network/interfaces. so what gives? |
| 19:21.40 | uuiz | ill retry |
| 19:21.44 | uuiz | the netinst |
| 19:21.54 | greycat | JohnnyL: is it DHCP or static? |
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| 19:22.12 | JohnnyL | static. |
| 19:22.23 | JohnnyL | i added static to the end and then the network flat out refused to work. |
| 19:22.27 | uuiz | ill be back... im going to download the netinst |
| 19:22.37 | uuiz | but i remember it giving me an error as well |
| 19:22.41 | JohnnyL | greycat: :) |
| 19:22.50 | uuiz | does anyone know how about to do a download via VMware workstation |
| 19:22.52 | uuiz | netinst |
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| 19:23.16 | greycat | I don't get it. Are you trying to install Debian inside a VMware instance that's INSIDE ANOTHER VMware INSTANCE? |
| 19:23.29 | JohnnyL | greycat: i only have too 'wireless-*' lines underneath it. i think gnome is covering the rest. |
| 19:23.32 | greycat | Why would you be downloading inside a virtual machine instead of in the host? |
| 19:23.53 | uuiz | no |
| 19:24.08 | greycat | JohnnyL: if it's static, then you need a bunch of indented lines below that, to set the IP address and netmask and so on. |
| 19:24.10 | uuiz | i just want to install it in VMworkstation |
| 19:24.23 | JohnnyL | greycat: right |
| 19:24.23 | uuiz | i dont have a VM inside another VM |
| 19:24.31 | greycat | uuiz: so download the ISO image file in the host, and "mount" that in the VM using whatever you do to mount ISO images as virtual CD drives. |
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| 19:24.36 | JohnnyL | i'm using it now without though. |
| 19:24.57 | JohnnyL | the magical mystery tour of f*** linux documentation has me in a quagmire of WTF? |
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| 19:25.13 | uuiz | generally with ISOs i will download them... and then in WMware it wants to direct me to the ISO and generally no problem |
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| 19:26.08 | uuiz | i just download the ISO (example Ubuntu) and then it will just boot and let me do the install |
| 19:26.13 | uuiz | per usual... |
| 19:26.18 | uuiz | debian 7 is the same |
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| 19:26.24 | uuiz | but i keep getting errors in debian 6 |
| 19:26.27 | uuiz | squeeze... |
| 19:26.44 | uuiz | and i dont generally ever do netinsts |
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| 19:27.00 | valdyn | uuiz: which error? |
| 19:27.06 | uuiz | usually can download the whole DVD ISO |
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| 19:27.40 | greycat | for fuck's sake, it's the SAME KERNEL AND THE SAME INSTALLER whether you use the net inst or the full MULTI GIGABYTE BLOATED DVD |
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| 19:27.59 | valdyn | uuiz: in general old release netinstalls cannot work |
| 19:28.00 | neurot | valdyn https://www.debian.org/distrib/ see if the live dvd works for you |
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| 19:28.24 | valdyn | uuiz: maybe squeeze should still work, im not sure |
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| 19:29.06 | greycat | 10:40 yuiz> EDD: Error 8000 reading sector 1896532 |
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| 19:29.09 | uuiz | its a problem with the downlaod im sure |
| 19:29.22 | uuiz | im yuiz |
| 19:29.23 | greycat | apparently he changed nicks |
| 19:29.23 | uuiz | yes |
| 19:29.45 | valdyn | i have nfc which program would print that error |
| 19:29.47 | uuiz | accidently pressed uu instead of yuiz |
| 19:29.57 | valdyn | probably vmware |
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| 19:30.36 | greycat | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/121047/error-8000-bad-sectors-when-installing-centos-6-5-minimum |
| 19:31.34 | uuiz | actually... im sure its a problem with the download |
| 19:31.35 | valdyn | greycat: nice, but which boot manager is that? |
| 19:31.48 | valdyn | uuiz: yes, it is |
| 19:32.02 | uuiz | ... |
| 19:32.27 | greycat | valdyn: I just googled error 8000 reading sector |
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| 19:33.08 | uuiz | if im having issues with downloading then what needs to happen? |
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| 19:33.21 | greycat | download on a machine that doesn't have those issues. |
| 19:33.36 | uuiz | i seem to be fine downloading from different sources... so i might think that its on debian's end |
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| 19:34.01 | uuiz | or could be an internet issue |
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| 19:34.13 | uuiz | @greycat... no need to be rude |
| 19:34.17 | greycat | or a vmware issue, or a bug in squeeze when trying to install it on vmware... |
| 19:34.33 | valdyn | uuiz: bad downloads seem to be quite commmon, im not sure why |
| 19:34.51 | valdyn | uuiz: you can verify the download using the md5sum |
| 19:34.55 | uuiz | i wouldnt think it's a vmware issue being as i have windows 10 on it, along with 3 other distros of linux... alive and kicking |
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| 19:37.44 | uuiz | maybe i just need to find someone that could transfer the file over 2 me |
| 19:37.55 | uuiz | that has a 32 bit debian squeeze ISO |
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| 19:41.55 | uuiz | i'm assuming that there might be an issue with my network |
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| 19:42.06 | greycat | Have you verified the md5 sum? Is it wrong? |
| 19:42.11 | uuiz | i'll have to go over everything... or try torrent perhaps and get better luck |
| 19:42.31 | uuiz | i deleted the iso (which i shouldnt have done) a while before i left |
| 19:42.56 | uuiz | i might have to try it on a different network with a different computer |
| 19:43.01 | uuiz | just to verify |
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| 19:45.20 | uuiz | ede6d5fdb8135d99310b4f38777a1af6 |
| 19:45.23 | uuiz | thats my md5 |
| 19:45.31 | uuiz | for the netinst |
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| 19:46.17 | greycat | for which downloaded file? |
| 19:46.41 | uuiz | debian 6.0.10 |
| 19:46.44 | uuiz | i386 |
| 19:46.46 | uuiz | netinst |
| 19:47.04 | greycat | then it should match a line in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 19:47.34 | greycat | which ... it does not appear to match. |
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| 19:53.35 | kdog | Is there a cli tool/package for querying CVEs? |
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| 19:56.09 | GPenguin | devtools might provide that |
| 19:56.22 | kdog | maybe just a smarter use of debsecan |
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| 19:56.55 | GPenguin | probably |
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| 19:58.53 | kdog | yup. debsecan --only-fixed --suite wheezy |
| 19:59.24 | P-G | I'm about to buy a new laptop and it seems like all the hardware is supported but I want to make sure there are no weird driver issues. Is there a centralised spooler I can trust to be thorough? |
| 19:59.40 | martin-_- | what is the purpose of piping stuff in dev/null? there is nothing like code_parse.o >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 19:59.57 | ompaul | it can't escape it dies |
| 20:00.07 | ompaul | so rather than have it in ram or somewhere on disk - nada |
| 20:00.31 | martin-_- | escape what? |
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| 20:00.48 | ompaul | into your ram write log files |
| 20:00.54 | ompaul | or hit your syslog |
| 20:00.57 | ompaul | or etc |
| 20:01.17 | martin-_- | ok code_pase.o is the output of cc -o parameter |
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| 20:01.57 | ompaul | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10508843/what-is-dev-null-21 |
| 20:01.58 | GPenguin | code_pase.o links against typomachinedramalegit.cc |
| 20:02.00 | GPenguin | why |
| 20:02.02 | ompaul | martin-_-: ^^^^ |
| 20:02.10 | martin-_- | thanks i get it |
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| 20:02.47 | GPenguin | some day all the questions we ask are answered on the web. what do we do then? |
| 20:03.06 | greycat | martin-_-: redirections apply to a *command* like cc. cc -o parameter code_parse.o >/dev/null 2>&1 is a command with two redirections. The redirections apply to the cc program, not to the code_parse.o argument. |
| 20:03.16 | ompaul | P-G: find an thinkpad a model that is around about 6-10 months then check which wifi it has and after that you might be happy |
| 20:03.19 | ompaul | !hardware |
| 20:03.20 | dpkg | Before buying any hardware, make sure it is supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about <hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:03.38 | ompaul | P-G: ^^ |
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| 20:04.16 | martin-_- | ah ok thanks |
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| 20:04.25 | P-G | No, I want a specific laptop. I just need a way to test it quickly before the return period expires. |
| 20:04.32 | P-G | Ompaul |
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| 20:05.07 | P-G | I want to track every little bug and make sure the hardware won't experience compatability issues after 15 days. |
| 20:05.51 | ompaul | P-G: do you mean you want to find out if it won't work with linux or some other thing |
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| 20:07.13 | P-G | Ompaul: I believe all the drivers are available but I want to make sure I am immediately aware of any bugs or driver-related errors. |
| 20:07.20 | jhutchins | P-G: For the HCLs and the list of compatible laptops to work, someone has to buy the one you're interested, try an insall on it, and then REPORT THE RESULTS. When was the last time YOU did that last step? |
| 20:07.38 | P-G | Never? |
| 20:07.40 | Darkmode | hi |
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| 20:08.50 | jhutchins | P-G: Which is true for pretty much everybody, me included. |
| 20:09.05 | P-G | What is your point? |
| 20:09.08 | ompaul | P-G: and here is a little clue - if you are going to install linux on it and then do random stuff written on various none debian resources and expect us to figure out how to fix that noooo you must do it the debian way so check the debian wiki and try that dfirst |
| 20:09.30 | jhutchins | P-G: Well, just that those resources are only as good as we make them, and we don't try very hard. |
| 20:09.44 | P-G | Ok, you guys aren't understanding what I want. |
| 20:09.55 | jhutchins | P-G: Take a look at how Ars Technica tests linux systems - they do a pretty good job of checking all the hardware. (They might have even done the one you're looking at.) |
| 20:10.01 | P-G | I'm not asking if it's compoatible, I'm asking how to test compatability. |
| 20:10.08 | P-G | Wow. |
| 20:10.11 | P-G | Compatible. |
| 20:10.15 | greycat | Run the programs that do what you want to do. |
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| 20:10.25 | jhutchins | P-G: Most laptops are not compostable. |
| 20:10.32 | P-G | :p |
| 20:10.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | depends on the timescale :P |
| 20:10.55 | P-G | 15 days max. |
| 20:11.00 | ompaul | P-G: there is no one stop shop for fixing it all but frankly I've not met the machine I haven't had success of some sort on |
| 20:11.12 | ompaul | about three hours for the most difficult one |
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| 20:11.32 | ompaul | typically about 2 hours from turning on to running how I like it |
| 20:11.41 | greycat | are you kidding? it used to take more than 3 hours just to build the new kernels... |
| 20:11.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't know of anything that composts in 2 hours. |
| 20:11.50 | ompaul | greycat: that's me these days |
| 20:11.51 | Shadow_7 | P-G: using the lspci vendor:device numbers to google is one way to check. |
| 20:11.59 | P-G | Check what? |
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| 20:12.08 | P-G | I'm not asking about compatability! |
| 20:12.11 | ompaul | greycat: I remember building FreeBSD for two hours nightly back in the 90s ;-) |
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| 20:12.18 | Shadow_7 | P-G: google for the horror stories, of omg can't believe I paid for this. |
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| 20:12.21 | ompaul | that was generally only the kernel |
| 20:12.36 | ompaul | P-G: so, no there is no quick fix. |
| 20:12.43 | P-G | Fix for what?? |
| 20:12.50 | ompaul | your requirement |
| 20:13.00 | P-G | I don't know if it's broken. |
| 20:13.07 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 20:13.07 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 20:13.14 | ompaul | does it work with windows |
| 20:13.17 | ompaul | y/n |
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| 20:13.23 | ompaul | then install the real o/s |
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| 20:13.50 | greycat | ompaul: he's asking "How do I test all the hardware once I have the machine in my hands" |
| 20:13.57 | P-G | Thank you. |
| 20:14.03 | ompaul | greycat: install and go though the functions 1 at a time |
| 20:14.08 | greycat | *nod* |
| 20:14.22 | P-G | Assuming all drivers install, how can I log errors? |
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| 20:14.23 | ompaul | be methodical |
| 20:14.34 | ompaul | pen and paper are useful |
| 20:14.38 | P-G | >.< |
| 20:14.45 | greycat | You don't "log errors". You run the programs and use your human eyes and ears to see if they work. |
| 20:14.53 | greycat | If the video driver doesn't work right, you'll SEE it. |
| 20:14.58 | ompaul | or not |
| 20:15.03 | greycat | right... |
| 20:15.04 | P-G | Sure but what about the chipset? |
| 20:15.15 | greycat | What "chipset"? |
| 20:15.18 | P-G | One minor big could easily go unobserved for 15 days. |
| 20:15.31 | ompaul | P-G: don't buy a machine, go on a holiday, you need to get out |
| 20:15.34 | greycat | If you don't notice a problem for 15 days, then you can obviously live with it. |
| 20:15.36 | frangor | hi |
| 20:15.53 | P-G | Greycat: I would prefer to test it properly... |
| 20:16.09 | P-G | Good enough isn't necessarily as good as I'd like. |
| 20:16.40 | ompaul | P-G: you want to pay IBM in that case |
| 20:16.59 | P-G | I had a system a while back that constantly reported critical kernel errors but never had a visible problem. That's the sort of stuff I'm trying to isolate and identify. |
| 20:17.12 | P-G | The computer knows when there are hickups, I just want it toi log them. |
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| 20:17.27 | greycat | If they're "critical" then you should be seeing the output on the console. |
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| 20:17.37 | P-G | That's how I knew about it. |
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| 20:17.52 | P-G | I assume not all hickups are critical. |
| 20:17.53 | ompaul | leaves it there and considers the matter beyond conversation and in the realm of theory |
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| 20:19.42 | P-G | Does anybody in here actually know how linux works? |
| 20:20.01 | ompaul | calls the open ended question police |
| 20:20.08 | greycat | It's a kernel. It runs at boot, and launches /sbin/init which then loads the userspace programs. |
| 20:20.21 | bazhang | did p-g ask an actual question yet |
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| 20:20.31 | P-G | I think I did. |
| 20:20.34 | ompaul | bazhang: that's very vague of you ;-) |
| 20:20.35 | greycat | He appears to be quizzing us. |
| 20:20.36 | P-G | Greycat: does it log errors? |
| 20:20.37 | bazhang | what |
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| 20:20.57 | bazhang | ompaul, thats me! |
| 20:21.08 | ompaul | bazhang: just letting you know ;-) |
| 20:21.13 | smw | bazhang, it was a question. |
| 20:21.16 | P-G | Bazhang, I'm trying to figure out how to log driver/system errors. |
| 20:21.20 | valdyn | P-G: you cant learn this on irc |
| 20:21.21 | greycat | P-G: It *creates* error messages sometimes. These are available through the dmesg program, and may also be logged by sysklogd or whatever Debian uses for kernel error logging these days. |
| 20:21.36 | bazhang | p-g run it from the term |
| 20:21.41 | valdyn | P-G: get a book or go to university |
| 20:21.51 | ompaul | or read some stuff on the internet |
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| 20:22.06 | P-G | Bazhang, run what from terminal? |
| 20:22.10 | ompaul | and by the internet I'm suggesting cohesive things |
| 20:22.13 | ompaul | is it an AI |
| 20:22.16 | valdyn | except i wouldnt trust him to find the right things on the net... |
| 20:22.23 | greycat | P-G: ANY terminal. All users can run dmesg in Debian. It does not require special permissions. |
| 20:22.24 | bazhang | p-g whatever you are trying to debug... |
| 20:22.55 | P-G | Bazhang, I'm trying to debug drivers, I suppose. Does that work? |
| 20:23.05 | P-G | Maybe a debug utility? |
| 20:23.11 | greycat | You are not debugging anything. |
| 20:23.22 | P-G | I could be. |
| 20:23.22 | greycat | You are asking about testing, which is different. |
| 20:23.37 | bazhang | p-g drivers for which chipset; nic, gpu or what |
| 20:23.51 | ompaul | cpu |
| 20:23.58 | ompaul | or and or and or and or etc |
| 20:24.04 | P-G | All, really... I want to confirm laptop functionality. |
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| 20:24.10 | P-G | Primarily chipset. |
| 20:24.12 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 20:24.12 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 20:24.20 | P-G | You've done that already, thanks. |
| 20:24.24 | P-G | I'm trying to. |
| 20:24.32 | bazhang | p-g I thought I saw 'thinkpad' earlier |
| 20:24.34 | ompaul | P-G: how many chipsets do you think there are in the laptop you have |
| 20:24.37 | greycat | What do you mean by the word "chipset"? |
| 20:24.43 | P-G | Bazhang, that wasn't me. |
| 20:24.50 | mtn | grabs some popcorn |
| 20:24.55 | ompaul | bazhang: that was me suggesting a good machine |
| 20:24.59 | P-G | It's a new laptop. No info but the drivers seem to be available. |
| 20:25.05 | ompaul | robs mtn's popcorn |
| 20:25.10 | bazhang | p-g it was a suggestion *for* you |
| 20:25.15 | P-G | Yes. |
| 20:25.18 | mtn | smacks ompaul with a large trout |
| 20:25.24 | P-G | I don't want a Thinkpad though. |
| 20:25.31 | ompaul | what do you have / want? |
| 20:25.35 | ompaul | be specific |
| 20:25.39 | bazhang | p-g which one do you want then |
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| 20:25.55 | greycat | He wants a team of labcoated scientists to run hardware tests for hiim for free. |
| 20:26.08 | P-G | MSI GT80 Titan. I've already checked for hardware compatability. |
| 20:26.42 | P-G | I've read confirmation on everything except the south bridge and wireless controller. |
| 20:26.42 | bazhang | p-g whats the wifi/gpu for that |
| 20:26.45 | teraflop | am I missing the part to take this chat to #offtopic or it does not count for you guys? |
| 20:27.08 | valdyn | bazhang: thats a graphics card |
| 20:27.33 | P-G | Bazhang: wifi is Killer Bigfoot 1525 AC |
| 20:27.47 | bazhang | so no actual lappy model yet |
| 20:27.55 | P-G | ? |
| 20:28.00 | ompaul | teraflop: fair point |
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| 20:28.22 | valdyn | P-G: you only buy the best, do you |
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| 20:31.11 | P-G | Bazhang, do you have any ideas or should I ask in #linux? Maybe Dmesg is enough. |
| 20:31.11 | jelly | P-G: there is no centralized test whether all the components really work with a specific release of a distribution. Before actually putting your fingers on the hardware and testing yourself, your best bet is to find a reviewer who's already done that. |
| 20:31.21 | greycat | ... christ. |
| 20:31.31 | P-G | Nobody has done it as far as I can tell. |
| 20:31.38 | ompaul | then don't get that one |
| 20:31.48 | P-G | I read one review that said it's totally linux supported but no confirmation. |
| 20:31.52 | ompaul | can it be dropped in the ocean now please |
| 20:32.00 | P-G | Why are you even here? |
| 20:32.08 | greycat | No, dmesg is not enough. dmesg only tells you things that the kernel LEARNED about and REPORTED. If there is a problem that the kernel can't detect, it will never be logged. YOU will have to OBSERVE the problem. |
| 20:32.23 | P-G | Sure. |
| 20:32.30 | P-G | Is there any other detection layer? |
| 20:32.35 | greycat | My god. |
| 20:32.42 | jelly | P-G: first step then is to google for specific brand and model and "lspci" output. |
| 20:32.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys, |
| 20:32.49 | bazhang | god observes much later |
| 20:32.56 | valdyn | greycat: google "killer nic", someone who falls for that wont understand what you say in here. |
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| 20:33.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | How is debian implmenting firewalls now and in the future? are we still going to use iptables or is the behomoth known as systemD taking over all? |
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| 20:33.54 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: the firewall is in the behemoth that is the kernel, and it will remain there |
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| 20:34.03 | jelly | P-G: if you can't find a review with that and/or dmesg and a list of what works and what doesn't, you'll have to do your own investigation. |
| 20:34.09 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: but iptables is going away indeed |
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| 20:34.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | noooo |
| 20:34.21 | P-G | Jelly: I am trying to do my own investigation. That's what I'm asking about. |
| 20:34.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a wiki out there? |
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| 20:34.30 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: about what? |
| 20:34.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | slowly dies inside and hold iptables command as it slow fades away |
| 20:34.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | for the firewall |
| 20:34.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
| 20:35.07 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: you dont need to worry about that now or in the coming year anyway |
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| 20:35.30 | jelly | P-G: and that's what you're getting answers about. No automated mechanism, no need to repeat "<P-G> Is there any other detection layer?" |
| 20:35.52 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: http://www.netfilter.org/ <- that is the project that has been doing linux firewalling for the last decade or so - and they are replacing iptables. |
| 20:36.47 | P-G | Jelly: I have not gotten many answers, actually. People keep jumping to comclusions and being snobby because they don't know how the system works well enough to explain it. |
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| 20:36.56 | greycat | Bullshit. |
| 20:37.06 | greycat | You just don't like the explanations you are getting. |
| 20:37.16 | mtn | heh |
| 20:37.24 | P-G | Greycat, you said earlier that Dmesg reports errors to another service. You then said that is not true. Which is it? |
| 20:37.26 | jelly | P-G: you don't know how the system works, they're telling you. |
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| 20:38.24 | jelly | I'm not sure how much can be achieved given such an attitude. |
| 20:38.28 | greycat | P-G: The kernel creates error messages whenever it feels like it. dmesg is a PROGRAM you can EXECUTE to view the last several hundred kernel messages. There is ANOTHER PROGRAM, formerly klogd, now some other program, which records all of the kernel messages to a series of log files for long-term storage. |
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| 20:38.56 | greycat | P-G: This log, or the output of dmesg, will ONLY TELL YOU A TINY SUBSET of what you want to know to conclude that everything is working. |
| 20:39.10 | P-G | I understand that. |
| 20:39.23 | greycat | P-G: The prople in this channel who are answering you are so far BEYOND you that you just don't understand the answers you're receiving. |
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| 20:40.05 | P-G | Greycay: Ok then, I'll just ask elsewhere. Thanks for your help anyway, I will look for that program. |
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| 20:41.33 | jelly | P-G: you need a decent understanding of Linux OS to be able to use the tools that help you figure out whether a specific piece of hw+driver works; there isn't really a ready-made aggregation tool to help with that |
| 20:41.49 | greycat | Don't you just want to ask what file it writes to? It doesn't matter what the program's name is. (By the way: it's rsyslogd.) The FILE that it writes to is the important part. That's /var/log/kern.log but then it gets rotated periodically to /var/log/kern.log.1 and so on. |
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| 20:43.01 | P-G | Greycat: Ok, thanks. I will look into that first. |
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| 20:43.13 | P-G | Jelly: I am here to learn. |
| 20:43.17 | jelly | doing hw certification is a hard problem |
| 20:43.50 | P-G | Maybe it's beyond me but I won't know unless I look into it a bit. |
| 20:43.55 | P-G | If I can do it, I would like to. |
| 20:44.05 | lyonsb | (Some distrobutions use systemd's login capacities with no logger or different logger. Systemd gives priority to rsyslogd in this case, if you used something else like metalog or syslog-ng or syslogd, they might be somewhere else -- but probably they'd be in /var/log since that's such a common and useful place) |
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| 20:44.53 | greycat | In the specific case that he's only looking for kernel errors and not other daemon errors, then all he has to do is run "dmesg" every once in a while and see if it has said anything noteworthy lately. |
| 20:45.26 | P-G | I'd like to look for as many possible hardware related errors as possible. |
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| 20:46.16 | lyonsb | so dmesg | grep *ERROR* or dmesg | grep error or dmesg | grep [UFW BLOCK] etc . .. |
| 20:46.28 | greycat | I would find it extremely unlikely that a hardware error message would be generated by anything other than the kernel. |
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| 20:46.53 | P-G | Lyonsb: Thank you. I will keep those alternatives in mind as well. They should view the same results though, so long as SystemD is being used? |
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| 20:47.09 | lyonsb | Actually this would work for sysvinit too. |
| 20:47.09 | greycat | lyonsb: I wouldn't grep it. I'd just look at the bottom of the output and see if the last few lines look the same as they did right after boot (e.g. [ 23.282792] eth0: no IPv6 routers present) |
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| 20:48.05 | jelly | P-G: maybe you ought to borrow the hardware, install a linux and THEN ask concrete questions. |
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| 20:48.34 | P-G | I will, I'm just trying to figure things out first so I can test more quickly. |
| 20:48.36 | lyonsb | That's prob. where I would look too -- but when I was getting errors with radeon setting uvd clocks, they weren't necessarily at the bottom of dmesg, -- and piping output to grep is a useful skill to learn. |
| 20:48.57 | lyonsb | or piping to less and then using / |
| 20:49.08 | greycat | lyonsb: oh, was something else spamming useless kernel output? |
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| 20:49.31 | lyonsb | Yeah the driver was also causing floods during system crash. |
| 20:49.36 | lyonsb | i mean dmesg floods. |
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| 20:49.46 | greycat | well, that itself is noteworthy... |
| 20:49.55 | lyonsb | so if I wanted to get the error that happened on boot, combined with one slice of the repeating flood error, I had to page it somehow. |
| 20:49.55 | jelly | P-G: giving abstract advice to vague questions isn't really what we do in tech support channel. Install linux on hardware you already have available and play with it, first. |
| 20:49.57 | lyonsb | and grep is simple :) |
| 20:50.20 | greycat | lyonsb: /var/log/dmesg* and /var/log/kern* are also useful for finding older kernel messages |
| 20:50.52 | lyonsb | It was already bugged and etc, and it hasn't reoccured in a kernel version or two. |
| 20:51.07 | P-G | Jelly: I know enough about linux to use it, I've just never tried to do this sort of thing before. |
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| 20:51.32 | lyonsb | methods of digging through logs are nearly timeless :) And I also admit I am prone to use grep inappropriately too, like ps | grep <processname> |
| 20:51.51 | lyonsb | instead of using pgrep. |
| 20:51.52 | greycat | ps|grep is OK if you're only doing it interactively, not in a script |
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| 20:52.09 | greycat | ps output is meant for humans to read |
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| 20:52.19 | lyonsb | because I can ignore the line, while a script use it. |
| 20:52.26 | greycat | exactly |
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| 20:53.57 | jelly | P-G: but you do not know enough to enumerate hardware and look for kernel errors and common laptop issues. Focus on gpu 2d and 3d support, temperature and fan sensors, multiple displays, wireless, behaviour of all of those after suspend to ram and suspend to disk. |
| 20:54.25 | greycat | and audio |
| 20:54.50 | P-G | Ok, that's a good list. |
| 20:55.26 | jelly | P-G: when you're comfortable identify which hw and driver does which part of the above, and can test how it works wrt suspend, then you can try doing it for new hardware. |
| 20:55.31 | jelly | identifying* |
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| 20:57.28 | P-G | Jelly, I do know how to use lspci if that's what you mean. I don't plan to install new hardware though. Installing drivers is easy enough, I'm just worried that I might overlook some minor errors/bugs that come back to bother me after the return period has expired. |
| 20:57.53 | greycat | You should never need to "install new drivers" in Debian, unless you're using unsupported hardware. |
| 20:58.12 | greycat | And if you think it's easy, man, I'd love to know what I've been doing wrong all these years. |
| 20:58.45 | P-G | Hopefully I won't need to. I do know how to do that much though. Linux drivers are supposed to be available for all of the hardware except possibly the wireless card, touch pad, and south bridge. |
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| 20:58.50 | jelly | P-G: um, you asked how to figure out whether linux will work on new hardware you don't have yet. |
| 20:58.53 | dimitry7 | hello guys |
| 20:59.12 | P-G | Greycat: I meant it's easy enough if there are drivers. :p |
| 20:59.33 | dimitry7 | what software is available to hunt malware in debian? I have these: chkrootkit, nepenthes, rkhunter, neopi |
| 20:59.38 | dimitry7 | do you know more? thanks! |
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| 20:59.51 | greycat | Generally, no, it isn't easy. It involves compiling kernel modules, sometimes multiple times because you get 17 contradictory pieces of "documentation" none of which is correct. |
| 20:59.53 | jelly | dimitry7: what kind of malware? |
| 21:00.05 | dimitry7 | jelly, any kind of |
| 21:00.11 | jelly | dimitry7: clamav |
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| 21:00.25 | dimitry7 | jelly, isn't that more for email? |
| 21:00.37 | mtn | dimitry7: so you are looking for windows viruses? |
| 21:00.45 | ompaul | dimitry7: what is the problem you think you are solving? |
| 21:00.47 | dimitry7 | mtn, no, malware made for linux |
| 21:00.52 | jelly | dimitry7: you said any kind. |
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| 21:01.13 | mtn | dimitry7: won't find much ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware |
| 21:01.18 | dimitry7 | jelly, yeah but for linux, I am just trying to use some preventive tools on my servers |
| 21:01.45 | valdyn | dimitry7: use fail2ban |
| 21:01.50 | jelly | dimitry7: clamav is also a decent signature-based scanner and there are third party databases for native issues. |
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| 21:01.54 | dimitry7 | valdyn, I already use it |
| 21:02.01 | ompaul | dimitry7: running good code, not allowing applications to go out of support and keeping them up to date |
| 21:02.07 | valdyn | dimitry7: then you're done |
| 21:02.21 | jelly | dimitry7: eg. this uses clamav engine: https://www.rfxn.com/projects/linux-malware-detect/ |
| 21:02.31 | dimitry7 | valdyn, really? why? |
| 21:02.51 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay, I will implement clamav on the remaining servers, I just have it in one no |
| 21:02.53 | ompaul | dimitry7: minimising your attack profile by limiting the protocols that people can attack |
| 21:02.55 | dimitry7 | *now |
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| 21:03.03 | greycat | the best preventive tool is applying the Debian security updates as they come out |
| 21:03.20 | greycat | nothing is 100% certain though |
| 21:03.49 | jelly | greycat: you could say not exposing and not installing anything you don't absolutely need is better :-) |
| 21:03.50 | dimitry7 | ompaul, actually I just have port 443 publicly available |
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| 21:04.02 | dimitry7 | greycat, wow, good tip! |
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| 21:04.17 | greycat | jelly: I wouldn't say "better"... but yes, that would also be good advice |
| 21:04.18 | jelly | dimitry7: but is your ssl implementation patched! |
| 21:04.23 | dimitry7 | what about the tools I said? |
| 21:04.27 | dimitry7 | jelly, yes. |
| 21:04.27 | ompaul | dimitry7: so what you do there is check the cyphers that are being let out |
| 21:04.49 | jelly | dimitry7: and are the services that use it restarted? |
| 21:04.50 | ompaul | dimitry7: they may be more of a risk as they assume threats and and if someone can exploit them you have other problems |
| 21:04.52 | dimitry7 | ompaul, how can I do that? |
| 21:05.06 | dimitry7 | jelly, yes, they are. |
| 21:05.27 | ompaul | dimitry7: what web server are you using? |
| 21:05.33 | dimitry7 | ompaul, apache |
| 21:05.35 | Gateway_404 | Hi, I want to configure debian as a gateway, but it doesn't work. Installed dnsmasq, enabled ip_forwarding, set iptables. It can connect to the server (ping, ssh) and the server has connection to the internet. Any ideas? |
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| 21:05.53 | dimitry7 | jelly, I need a series of tools to check for malware. |
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| 21:06.06 | valdyn | Gateway_404: dnsmasq really has got nothing to do with the gateway part |
| 21:06.06 | dimitry7 | jelly, it is a requirement for IT department :S |
| 21:06.27 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:06.27 | greycat | Oh, you need a series of buzzwords you can use to SAY that you looked for "malware". VERY different. |
| 21:06.30 | valdyn | Gateway_404: setting up iptables and enabling ip-forwarding is all you need for that, so obviously you did that wrong |
| 21:06.30 | ompaul | dimitry7: I~ use nginx I'll be back shortly with an answer for you |
| 21:06.56 | Gateway_404 | valdyn: I know, just wanted to mention it, because I didn't configure something else |
| 21:07.00 | jhutchins | dimitry7: There's also tripwire and other ids tools. |
| 21:07.28 | martin-_- | how can i exit description mode from checkinstall? |
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| 21:07.38 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: Most likely an oops in the iptables script. |
| 21:07.46 | martin-_- | I'm aware ctrl + c will cancel the whole checkinstall progress |
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| 21:08.25 | jelly | dimitry7: your IT department is silly! |
| 21:08.33 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, tripwire, yes |
| 21:08.38 | dimitry7 | jelly, why? |
| 21:08.47 | ompaul | dimitry7: have a look at this and consider that you will limit what browsers can see your site http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/ssl/ssl_howto.html |
| 21:08.51 | dimitry7 | jelly, this is a requirement for nestle. :$ |
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| 21:09.12 | P-G | Ok, thanks again for the advise. I'm off. |
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| 21:09.38 | jelly | dimitry7: because "a series of tools to check for malware" implies usage of OS-es where such tools are actually needed |
| 21:09.41 | greycat | doesn't know whether that's the english verb "to nestle", or the candy bar company Nestle. |
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| 21:10.18 | dimitry7 | ompaul, wow, goood!! |
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| 21:10.31 | Gateway_404 | jhutchins, valdyn iptables -L returns http://pastebin.com/5KveE8ig |
| 21:10.44 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: Did you read the doc I sent you? |
| 21:10.57 | dimitry7 | jelly, exactly, since this is for nestle, our customer, I bet they think we use Windows systems, Which we don't. So as evidence... how can I probe linux don't need them? |
| 21:11.04 | jelly | dimitry7: but hey, you can set up a truly horrible set of third-party clamav databases and scan for everything they have; http://sanesecurity.com/usage/signatures/ |
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| 21:11.09 | ompaul | dimitry7: if you want to know how to test that stuff ask one of the PCI testing companies to test you |
| 21:11.09 | valdyn | dimitry7: of course "series of tools" can be filled by a) running debums weekly and b) running chkrootkit weekly. What is *really* the policy? |
| 21:11.26 | jhutchins | s/ask/pay/ |
| 21:11.40 | ompaul | dimitry7: what jhutchins said |
| 21:11.51 | ompaul | jhutchins: I would have thought that was implied |
| 21:12.01 | jhutchins | I think PCI requires 3rd party audits anyway. |
| 21:12.03 | greycat | If you DO get a PCI company probing you, be prepared to have to install your own copy of openssh because they just look at the stupid version number and don't actually probe for exploits. |
| 21:12.14 | ompaul | they can break your proverbial |
| 21:12.27 | jelly | greycat: there's one in wheezy-backports <g> |
| 21:12.29 | ompaul | jhutchins: that depends on how much you transact and stuff |
| 21:12.29 | greycat | So, the Debian patched openssh will show up with a "bad version number" even though it's patched. |
| 21:12.49 | ompaul | jhutchins: you can get many surprises with that stuff |
| 21:12.53 | greycat | Same for BIND, but ... yeah I know, I shouldn't be using BIND. I just didn't want to break that particular tradition. |
| 21:12.56 | jelly | greycat: but then you can show them the changelog with relevant CVE, surely |
| 21:13.18 | greycat | jelly: Tried that once. Then it happened AGAIN with a different CVE... not worth the effort. |
| 21:13.30 | ompaul | jhutchins: I have a plain as day web server no cards or anything but we did pci anyway - it was hell and interesting |
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| 21:13.55 | jelly | perl -pi -e s/6.0p1/9.9p9/ /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 21:13.56 | ompaul | the linux stuff took a couple of days to work out what they were actually saying |
| 21:14.10 | ompaul | then it was easy enough to fix |
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| 21:14.18 | jhutchins | ompaul: Did the auditors seem to have a clue about linux? |
| 21:14.19 | ompaul | the reports lots of manger red all over them |
| 21:14.32 | greycat | ompaul: yeah, I am not doing credit cards or anything even remotely close... still had to get probed in order to have a cloud-facing sshd port and name server and email smtpd. |
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| 21:14.42 | ompaul | jhutchins: they don't care, they have a very strict protocol for interaction |
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| 21:16.13 | Gateway_404 | jhutchins: I guess you mean this section: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html#RC.FIREWALL-IPTABLES |
| 21:16.15 | Kryil- | Hey guys. Running debian jessy (install is rather basic, so alsa and pulseaudio included), and when I lower the volume of (basically anything) a program to ~40% the entire sound will become silent. Running a second program on the same output (lets say, music and a game), the treshold still exists but becomes way lower (~5%). Could please someone explain me what the heck is going on there? :X |
| 21:17.06 | Gateway_404 | jhutchins: I did it with the help of another tutorial, so actually it should work. But I'll try |
| 21:17.40 | mtn | Kryil-: the arch wiki has a good section on pulseaudio and its problems |
| 21:17.44 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: I know that particular one works. Used to build routers from it before they became appliances. |
| 21:18.12 | valdyn | Kryil-: i know you can work around that using the equalizer and its preamp |
| 21:18.24 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: Same guy also has a good tutorial and script set for hardening a linux network/server. |
| 21:18.26 | valdyn | Kryil-: but i dont know how to fix the actual issue |
| 21:18.49 | Gateway_404 | jhutchins: Ok, thx. I'll inform you, whether it works |
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| 21:22.08 | Kryil- | mtn: you're right, the ArchWiki has exactly this issue in it's list. Damn that's a long one :x It's quite hard to google this one, because most results are form people whos entire sound is silent |
| 21:22.48 | mtn | Kryil-: yes, pulse can be a pain |
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| 21:23.18 | Kryil- | mtn: and the fix from there worked. Thanks a lot! that was fast :) |
| 21:23.26 | mtn | kyle__: nice |
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| 21:26.22 | Gateway_404 | jhutchins: Ok, the script prints "/usr/local/sbin/iptables: not found" |
| 21:28.44 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: Gateway_404 Probably because it's in /sbin now, the scripts are a bit old. I would step through the commands manually. |
| 21:29.23 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: The scripts were also written for RedHat and some things that are different in Debian aren't covered, but the underlying software is the same. |
| 21:29.37 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: You might drop a note to the author about any differences you find. |
| 21:30.38 | jhutchins | Gateway_404: Also, thanks for letting me know, since I mostly support Debian/Ubuntu these days. |
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| 21:34.25 | ompaul | I've a couple of wheezy boxes acting as firewalls |
| 21:34.58 | ompaul | one of them won't remember the iptables rules on reboot - what stupidity did I do? |
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| 21:35.26 | ompaul | I have to ssh in and iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/iptables.saved |
| 21:35.28 | jhutchins | ompaul: Loading them is a manual process, but there's a scripting package for persistent rules. |
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| 21:35.57 | ompaul | jhutchins: I'll poke around tomorrow when my brain is fresh I never think of fixing it when I'm on the box |
| 21:36.01 | jhutchins | I usually call a custom script from rc.local |
| 21:36.07 | ompaul | ack |
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| 21:36.51 | jhutchins | ompaul: You can also put it in post-up |
| 21:37.07 | jhutchins | ompaul: Er, under post-up in interfaces. |
| 21:37.20 | Kryil- | mtn: okay, it's not fixed. It seems like the fix bugged out, stopped pulseaudio from working and alsa itself worked D: still, seeing if the archwiki has more ;) |
| 21:37.39 | mtn | Kryil-: lots of fun! |
| 21:37.48 | jhutchins | ompaul: iptables-persistent is a package that does that for you iirc. |
| 21:37.49 | ompaul | jhutchins: I'm going to go for the rc.local version - mostly because I have three other things that need to happen then |
| 21:38.00 | ompaul | jhutchins: ok I'll glue that in now |
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| 21:39.42 | ompaul | jhutchins: that's done |
| 21:39.49 | ompaul | one less thing to think about thanks for that |
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| 21:42.00 | jhutchins | ompaul: glad to b of help. |
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| 21:46.55 | einyx | how long take to approve a new repository submission? |
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| 21:48.15 | mtn | einyx: 42 |
| 21:48.36 | einyx | mtn: lol |
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| 21:53.55 | gateway_404 | jhulst: Hi again, I tried the manual you gave me, but it still doesn't work. |
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| 21:55.15 | gateway_404 | jhulst: The script contained /usr/local/sbin/iptables as default, so I had to change that. But still no internet access via the server |
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| 21:58.48 | ompaul | gateway_404: can you ping your gateway |
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| 21:59.17 | ompaul | gateway_404: by ip address |
| 21:59.31 | gateway_404 | ompaul: yes, I can even ssh into it |
| 21:59.40 | ompaul | gateway_404: reverse the question |
| 21:59.50 | ompaul | can you ping anywhere by ip from the server |
| 21:59.55 | ompaul | 8.8.8.8 for instance |
| 22:01.47 | gateway_404 | ompaul: the server can't ping 8.8.8.8, but it can ping e.g. www.google.com |
| 22:02.23 | ompaul | both are google |
| 22:02.31 | ompaul | so both accept pings |
| 22:02.37 | ompaul | so you have some funky routing there |
| 22:03.13 | ompaul | gateway_404: so this server where is it located? |
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| 22:03.41 | ompaul | data centre office home what? |
| 22:03.49 | gateway_404 | ompaul: behind my router at home |
| 22:04.00 | ompaul | can your laptop ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 22:04.08 | ompaul | I say laptop / mean not server |
| 22:04.33 | gateway_404 | I can't try this here, sorry |
| 22:04.51 | gateway_404 | ompaul: I don't have a laptop |
| 22:05.01 | ompaul | gateway_404: are you at home? |
| 22:05.37 | ompaul | assumes you are in the same location as the server unless told otherwise |
| 22:06.00 | ompaul | I don't care where you are but if you are not beside the box ... then I think you should wait until you are there to fix the box |
| 22:06.24 | ompaul | right so that's that sorted |
| 22:06.38 | PercyB | Could someone maybe point in the right direction: In order to build a tool, after using ./autogen.sh I used "./configure --prefix=...". It gave me "openssl required", although it's installed. |
| 22:07.08 | PercyB | Oh, I forgat to add: First I got the tool from github. |
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| 22:07.35 | ompaul | did you check the path that this tool expects openssl to on? |
| 22:08.08 | PercyB | ompaul Hmm, no, I did not. |
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| 22:09.39 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: sorry. My computer shut down accidentally. I'm back again. |
| 22:10.14 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: So, I'm accessing this chat via ssh -X |
| 22:10.23 | ompaul | gateway_404_: I assume you are in the same location as the server unless told otherwise |
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| 22:10.36 | PercyB | ompaul I was trying to find some hint in the configure file, but did not find any explicit path. |
| 22:10.55 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: you're right |
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| 22:11.22 | ompaul | PercyB: export openssl? |
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| 22:12.02 | ompaul | gateway_404_: can you ping from the desktop/ not server ? |
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| 22:12.14 | ompaul | gateway_404_: both www.google.com and 8.8.8.8 |
| 22:12.15 | PercyB | ompaul Export openssl? What do you mean by that? |
| 22:12.37 | ompaul | PercyB: bash export of path to ssl and maybe the config works out where it is |
| 22:12.53 | ompaul | PercyB: but first I'd be sticking configure openssl and that program name into google |
| 22:13.04 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: I don't have access to 8.8.8.8 from any of my devices |
| 22:13.20 | ompaul | gateway_404_: so that's a problem you should |
| 22:13.29 | PercyB | ompaul ok, I will try it. Thank you for the hints! |
| 22:13.43 | ompaul | gateway_404_: which country are you in i.e. is it possible that is blocked |
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| 22:13.58 | ompaul | or have you a brain dead isp who won't let you get to google for DNS |
| 22:14.06 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: germany |
| 22:14.16 | ompaul | gateway_404_: no reason to think you can't get your dns from them |
| 22:14.53 | ompaul | gateway_404_: check your router config for settings like security which are most likely in your way |
| 22:15.01 | ompaul | as I can't know your model I'll leave you to work that out |
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| 22:16.06 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: the problem is that I don't have access to the router. It's not mine |
| 22:17.04 | xa | hi ! anyone with a trick to avoid "mutter-WARNING **:STACK_OP_RAISE_ABOVE:" invasion in Jessie gnome DE ? ty ! |
| 22:17.38 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: but actually I should have access to all the web-pages the server can access |
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| 22:20.05 | gateway_404_ | ompaul: maybe sth. is wrong here? http://pastebin.com/y4v0PA4h |
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| 22:20.56 | valdyn | gateway_404_: this could be greatly simplified by removing all rules and changing forward policy to accept |
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| 22:22.51 | PercyB | ompaul OpenSSL works fine (it starts as it should from the command prompt) and did not find any further info regarding building... I'm just not sure what "--prefix=..." after ./configure supposed to mean... |
| 22:23.09 | ompaul_ | PercyB: the notes don't tell you? |
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| 22:23.44 | ompaul_ | is preparing the standard - opensource documentation in need of love shocker news at 11 |
| 22:23.52 | valdyn | PercyB: libssl-dev is installed? |
| 22:24.08 | ompaul_ | gateway_404_: iptables -F will flush it |
| 22:24.15 | PercyB | ompaul_ No, actually there are no hints or an install guide... (I just found a blog with autogen.sh and after that ./configure --prefix |
| 22:24.17 | PercyB | ) |
| 22:24.29 | ompaul_ | gateway_404_: but that's not looking bad |
| 22:24.49 | valdyn | PercyB: the prefix sets where you want to install the thing, its usually default /usr/local, which is ok |
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| 22:25.28 | ompaul_ | gateway_404_: bottom line if the desktop / not server can't get out and the server exhibits the same problem then the problem is not the server unless there is something I don't know about your setup which you should tell people rather than havi them guess |
| 22:25.40 | ompaul_ | gateway_404_: I'm assuming two boxes? |
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| 22:26.36 | PercyB | valdyn No, libssl-dev was not installed - maybe that's the culprit. I install it and will try configure again. THX! |
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| 22:27.33 | valdyn | PercyB: configure scripts always ask for 1 package that is (at least) 2 packages in debian, the binaries and the -dev package. |
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| 22:29.06 | PercyB | valdyn Ok, I see. Now I did run ./configure and after installing the dev package there is no more error message. Thank you! |
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| 22:37.04 | gateway_404 | valdyn: I simplified it |
| 22:37.19 | gateway_404 | valdyn: but it still doesn't work. WTF |
| 22:39.38 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: have you two machines on that network |
| 22:39.49 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: can they both ping www.google.com |
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| 22:40.28 | ompaul_ | is trying to establish a base line so some more questions can probe the issue and I can't get an answer to that |
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| 22:41.46 | gateway_404 | i only have the server and a smartphone |
| 22:42.15 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: both can access and so ping www.google.com |
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| 22:42.27 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: ok |
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| 22:42.48 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: what then is the problem outside access to the computer? |
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| 22:45.10 | bonjurkes | hello guys, I have a question about the version of mysqlnd on deb repos |
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| 22:45.21 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: the problem is that the server won't forward the requests from my PC (it has no wlan and thus can't be connected to the router directly (ethernet-ports are locked)) |
| 22:46.22 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: sorry that makes no sense to me |
| 22:46.55 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: you have a wireless router or an ethernet router or a router that does both? |
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| 22:48.07 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: the problem is this, you told me you had a phone and server only |
| 22:48.11 | ompaul_ | now I'm confused |
| 22:48.27 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: I don't know what it is you are trying to achieve |
| 22:48.47 | ompaul_ | but if it is this [PC]=====[Server]-----(internet) |
| 22:48.51 | gateway_404 | gateway_404: I want to have this: Router (only WLAN) ------WLAN----->Server (has both ethernet and WLAN card) ------ETHERNET-------->PC (only has ethernet) |
| 22:49.06 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: see above |
| 22:49.15 | ompaul_ | then you need the server to do is ipforwarding |
| 22:50.13 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: but that doesn't work somehow, right? |
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| 22:50.41 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: or do I need different settings then? |
| 22:50.48 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: it works - I have several machines which do it |
| 22:50.54 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: so lets back up here a bit |
| 22:51.05 | ompaul_ | from the server you can get to the internet? |
| 22:51.12 | gateway_404 | right |
| 22:51.14 | ompaul_ | you can see www.google.com |
| 22:51.22 | gateway_404 | right |
| 22:51.31 | ompaul_ | so now you want to connect to the server |
| 22:51.40 | ompaul_ | from the laptop |
| 22:51.51 | gateway_404 | from the PC, yes |
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| 22:51.58 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: so what ipv4 address have you set on the server |
| 22:52.15 | ompaul_ | on the wireless side |
| 22:52.42 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: I'll call it laptop but we both know what I'm talking about |
| 22:53.12 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: what is that address? |
| 22:53.35 | gateway_404 | it's a correct address, don't wanna publish it here ;) |
| 22:53.47 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: if it is private address space it doesn't matter |
| 22:53.54 | ompaul_ | i.e. if it is 192.168.... |
| 22:54.08 | ompaul_ | if it is public then you have other questions and issues |
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| 22:55.03 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: No, its the address, I got from the router and I don't know if it's an internal or an external (the provider configured it) |
| 22:55.42 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: on the server if you do this /sbin/ifconfig on the left hand side you will see things like lo0 and what else? |
| 22:56.03 | ompaul_ | you should see at least see two others eth0 and wlan0 most likely |
| 22:56.47 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: both of those network addresses should be in 192.168.n.n range |
| 22:57.32 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: and if you don't trust the question please say so and I'll stop now because if you are not knowing what ips are and which ones are public and private you need someone you know to help you by visiting you |
| 22:57.36 | ompaul_ | irc can't |
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| 22:58.33 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: ok, it seems to be a private address |
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| 22:58.51 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: one or two? |
| 22:58.59 | ompaul_ | i.e. one on the wireless side |
| 22:59.10 | SAKUJ0 | i tend to ssh into 4-5 machines multiple times a day to perform similar tasks (check for upgrades, upgrade, control systemd using systemctl in case of crashes and similar, reboot, monitor free space). is there a way to make the process simpler than to open 4-5 terminals and ctrl+r into ssh and do everything manually? |
| 22:59.18 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: So, there is eth0, which has the static address 192.168.0.1 (as I configured it) |
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| 22:59.30 | ompaul_ | and wireless has what? |
| 23:00.00 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: and wlan0 which has the address 10.168.181.169 |
| 23:00.17 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: so how is the 10. going to talk to the 192 |
| 23:00.25 | ompaul_ | it needs to do two things |
| 23:00.30 | ompaul_ | ipforward |
| 23:00.32 | ompaul_ | and route |
| 23:00.57 | gateway_404 | hm, kay |
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| 23:02.15 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: so you need to work add ip-foward rules and make them permanent |
| 23:02.30 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: so I should change the static ip of the ethernet to the address given by the router |
| 23:02.38 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: NO |
| 23:02.41 | ompaul_ | they can't be the same |
| 23:03.05 | ompaul_ | you should read about bridging |
| 23:03.12 | ompaul_ | you should read about forwarding |
| 23:03.25 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: ok, I never worked with more than one network card |
| 23:04.34 | SAKUJ0 | hmm apt-dater looks promising |
| 23:04.45 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: as rooot you need to do this echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:04.48 | ompaul_ | exactly that |
| 23:05.22 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: I'm too tired to talk you though routing it's not that hard |
| 23:05.37 | SAKUJ0 | oh nice, arch has apt-dater :p |
| 23:05.48 | SAKUJ0 | ducks to avoid a kick |
| 23:06.03 | ompaul_ | ducking won't help |
| 23:06.20 | ompaul_ | we will find you etc ... we will install debian on your machine |
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| 23:06.29 | ompaul_ | you will destroy your install media etc ;-) |
| 23:06.50 | ompaul_ | gateway_404: go look at the online debian-administrators book |
| 23:07.10 | ompaul_ | you;'ll learn a bit from that read before you apply stuff break this and your box won't be happy |
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| 23:08.26 | gateway_404 | ompaul_: ok, sorry. I just thought I can do this without any further reading, because the tutorials are so short and just a few ppl have problems |
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| 23:10.56 | meLon | I'm having some routing issues between two subnets. One of my machines is a debian machine, acting as the gateway connected to the modem, and the other is a DD-WRT router. I've successfully set this up before, but I'm starting from scratch and I've screwed something up to where I can't reach the DD-WRT machines (ping), but they can reach me. I really think it's happening with dhcpd |
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