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| 00:25.33 | shellclear | someone knows how to resolve this problem '/usr/sbin/pppd: You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by' |
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| 00:26.47 | tomivs | Hi all, i'm upgrading from wheezy to sid. I modified "sources.list" and ran "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 00:27.11 | themill | tomivs: btw you should upgrade to jessie then sid |
| 00:27.12 | tomivs | But some apps are not working |
| 00:27.28 | jadew | hey guys, is there a tutorial on how to reliably upgrade from etch to wheezy? |
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| 00:27.58 | jadew | oh wait, it looks like I have squeeze, not etch |
| 00:28.03 | tomivs | Nautilus, gnome-terminal, gnome-contro-center >> these (and more) apps not work |
| 00:28.03 | dvs | jadew: The release notes for Wheezy |
| 00:28.06 | themill | jadew: /msg dpkg etch->lenny; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze; /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 00:28.24 | jadew | thanks |
| 00:28.25 | dvs | ow |
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| 00:28.33 | jadew | Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze1) (dannf@debian.org) |
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| 00:28.38 | jadew | this means I have squeeze, right? |
| 00:28.41 | themill | tomivs: have you logged out and logged back in (or rebooted) since upgrading? |
| 00:29.02 | tomivs | themill: Nope |
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| 00:30.11 | themill | tomivs: given the size of the upgrade it wouldn't surprise me if you needed to at least log out and log back in so that the various logind and dbus sessions were set up properly |
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| 00:31.17 | meinerHeld | hello! |
| 00:31.34 | phix | werd |
| 00:31.40 | meinerHeld | first of all thanks for the decades of work errybody |
| 00:31.54 | meinerHeld | i love love free software now. |
| 00:31.59 | meinerHeld | love love love it |
| 00:32.15 | shellclear | someone knows if exist a bug to at jessie about this "Couldn't open the /dev/ppp device: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:33.43 | phix | shellclear: udev isn't started? |
| 00:34.05 | Contrl | The time on my Wheezy install is off. How would I update this on the terminal? |
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| 00:34.46 | mtn | Contrl: man date |
| 00:34.47 | phix | Contrl: sudo ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org 1.pool.ntp.org 2.pool.ntp.org |
| 00:35.09 | phix | then use sudo hwclock --systohc |
| 00:35.29 | phix | mtn: that was useless advice |
| 00:36.04 | mtn | phix: thank you, though I have used it to change my time many times |
| 00:36.06 | phix | Contrl: If ntpdate isn't installed then install it by typing in sudo apt-get install ntpdate |
| 00:36.38 | mtn | phix: always glad to get useless advice on my helping methods |
| 00:36.42 | phix | mtn: man date doesn't change your time though, you could of been helpful and given him / her an example |
| 00:36.44 | shellclear | phix: it is,but when i need to use vpn i have to run mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0 |
| 00:37.37 | phix | hmmm, you are using PPTP or something? |
| 00:37.54 | shellclear | phix: pptp |
| 00:38.24 | Contrl | phix: "the NTP socket is in use, exiting" |
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| 00:38.54 | phix | Contrl: ah, you are running a ntp server already, shut it down temporarly first. sudo service ntp stop |
| 00:39.11 | phix | Contrl: then start it back up once you have changed the time |
| 00:39.42 | phix | shellclear: hmmmm, you realise that isn't a secure protocol? compared to other VPN implementations? |
| 00:40.02 | phix | shellclear: OpenVPN or IPsec are usually better choices |
| 00:40.03 | Contrl | phix: I get a bunch of sendto(): Operation not permitted |
| 00:40.17 | phix | are you root? (did you use sudo?) |
| 00:40.21 | Contrl | I'm root |
| 00:40.38 | phix | hmmm |
| 00:40.59 | Contrl | ntpdate[2039]: sendto(tic.apt.cat): Operation not permitted - For example |
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| 00:41.33 | shellclear | phix: so dude, unfortunately in my case i dont have alternative |
| 00:42.10 | phix | shellclear: That is a shame, you should bring this up with your IT department |
| 00:42.24 | phix | any way, I need to BRB |
| 00:43.04 | mtn | Contrl: if you just want to change your time, use the date command |
| 00:43.30 | Contrl | mtn: It's not up-to-date though. |
| 00:43.36 | Contrl | It's lagging behind about 45 seconds. |
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| 00:44.09 | mtn | Contrl: ok, I see. you don't really want to set your time, you want to use a service like ntp |
| 00:44.36 | Contrl | mtn: I said.. "The time on my Wheezy install is off. How would I update this on the terminal?" |
| 00:44.47 | phix | Contrl: date --set="23 MAR 2015 11:45:00" |
| 00:45.02 | mtn | Contrl: right, and I assumed you would just set the time to the correct time |
| 00:45.09 | phix | Contrl: for example, although you should really figure out why ntpdate isn't working |
| 00:45.13 | Contrl | mtn: and, how do I do that... |
| 00:45.20 | Contrl | If I knew how to do that, I wouldn't have asked. |
| 00:45.20 | phix | Contrl: ---~ |
| 00:45.25 | phix | Contrl: ---^ |
| 00:45.31 | mtn | phix: using the date command |
| 00:45.53 | phix | yes, use date if ntpdate isn't working, although you should fix that :) |
| 00:46.05 | phix | mtn: correct, using the date command, not the man command |
| 00:46.14 | phix | because you can't change the time with man |
| 00:46.18 | shellclear | phix: you know if exist some bug related about this |
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| 00:46.28 | mtn | phix: you use the man command to learn how to use linux commands. it is very usefull |
| 00:46.33 | phix | shellclear: no, I don't use it as it is insecure |
| 00:46.37 | Contrl | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 00:46.50 | phix | shellclear: sorry I couldn't be helpful :( |
| 00:46.54 | mtn | Contrl: try as root |
| 00:46.58 | Contrl | mtn: I am root. |
| 00:46.59 | themill | Contrl: what sort of machine is this? And in what way is your time wrong? |
| 00:47.04 | phix | Contrl: are you root? are you in a VM? |
| 00:47.12 | Contrl | themill: It's about 45 seconds off |
| 00:47.12 | mtn | Contrl: having strange problems :( |
| 00:47.13 | phix | like a LXC |
| 00:47.20 | Contrl | phix: This is a VPS |
| 00:47.32 | phix | Contrl: ok so you need to connect to the host |
| 00:47.37 | phix | Contrl: not the VM |
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| 00:47.41 | Contrl | phix: ? |
| 00:47.46 | Contrl | What are you talking about VM? |
| 00:48.06 | themill | Contrl: it looks like you don't actually run your own kernel so you can't change your clock there. |
| 00:48.10 | phix | Contrl: Virtual Private Server, I am guessing it is using a Virtual Machine |
| 00:48.37 | Contrl | phix: I have no access to the host. |
| 00:48.38 | phix | Contrl: most likely LXC or equiv |
| 00:48.49 | phix | Contrl: so contact the person who does and get them to set the time correctly on their server |
| 00:49.15 | phix | Contrl: I recommend using a proper VPS provider that allows you full access to the VM |
| 00:49.29 | phix | Contrl: like Amazon AWS (free for the first year) or rackspace |
| 00:49.47 | Contrl | phix: I have certain requirements that I doubt others can address. Thanks for your help. |
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| 00:49.56 | phix | what a dickl |
| 00:49.59 | phix | s/l// |
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| 01:26.35 | AlexLikeRock | help what need to mount a NTFS harddisk ? |
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| 01:27.15 | AlexLikeRock | gparted say ; "need ntfsprogs / ntfs-3g " |
| 01:27.24 | AlexLikeRock | i have ntfs-3g |
| 01:27.42 | AlexLikeRock | ntfsprogs its not in debian |
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| 01:32.11 | ctmjr | AlexLikeRock: why are you using gparted to mount a disk use mount |
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| 01:37.26 | cheche | I had setup a system to star a vnc session using nodm and it works brilliant. |
| 01:38.16 | cheche | Now, I would like to have to monitor that start 2 VNC sessions using debian. But I can not find how to doit. |
| 01:38.48 | cheche | How do I start a system without password and run 2 diferent sessions on 2 monitors |
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| 01:43.00 | AlexLikeRock | im back |
| 01:43.04 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:45.46 | buu | AlexLikeRock: Yes, use mount |
| 01:46.48 | AlexLikeRock | im, instaling libc6-udeb.udeb and ntfsprogs-udeb.udeb |
| 01:46.54 | AlexLikeRock | from whezzy |
| 01:47.13 | AlexLikeRock | i see, they not are ntfsprogs to jessy |
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| 02:16.16 | tomivs | Hi all, I can't open nautilus, gnome-terminal, gnome-control-center, etc. I recently upgraded from wheezy to sid. I modified my "sources.list" and ran "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-updgrade" |
| 02:16.25 | tomivs | Can anyone help me? |
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| 02:18.03 | Epakai | you did this while X was running? |
| 02:18.21 | Epakai | and haven't restarted it since? |
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| 02:24.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys |
| 02:24.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to run a java console for proxmox, and i need to figure out why i cant get firefox to see i have freaking java installed.. |
| 02:25.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'll ask in the respected channels, but i am seriusly annoyed |
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| 02:28.48 | uflaig | hello hello, I am trying to apt-get update, but I am getting this error message |
| 02:28.49 | uflaig | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 02:29.11 | uflaig | can anyone help me out? I'm not very familar with this |
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| 02:29.29 | centrx | uflaig, bad mirror? |
| 02:29.54 | uflaig | centrx: does that mean one of the mirrors is bad or the main mirror? |
| 02:30.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i cant even get #proxmox to respond to me |
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| 02:41.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i got it lol |
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| 02:46.35 | pfred1 | I am having trouble with my bash-completion it can't do the double tab Display all possibilities (y,n) |
| 02:53.19 | kalin00b | when i try to open a pdf through the terminal i keep getting the message Failed to get bus connection: The connection is closed. I open same document through gui with same program, evince, it works. |
| 02:53.26 | kalin00b | i have never had this issue before |
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| 02:53.36 | kalin00b | always open with command line |
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| 02:56.10 | aaro | kalin00b: are you opening as your regular user? |
| 02:56.26 | kalin00b | lol derp |
| 02:56.33 | kalin00b | nah i had su'ed |
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| 02:59.33 | pfred1 | kalin00b you give root permissions to use yoru display? |
| 03:00.02 | kalin00b | im root in a terminal |
| 03:00.49 | pfred1 | kalin00b pdf is usually GUI |
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| 03:01.10 | kalin00b | nah i was root to run a different program and never sued back to my regular user |
| 03:01.16 | pfred1 | root can't use your user's display unless it has premission |
| 03:01.33 | kalin00b | it has permission to see it? |
| 03:01.38 | pfred1 | type this as your user xhost +local:root |
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| 03:01.51 | pfred1 | then root will be able to use the X session |
| 03:01.56 | kalin00b | Ah okay |
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| 03:02.53 | kalin00b | most of my programs require root access i just forgot to exit the shell before opening the pdf |
| 03:03.20 | centrx | "most of my programs require root access" <- ... |
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| 03:03.36 | kalin00b | yes many of them do |
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| 03:03.57 | kalin00b | maybe not most but many |
| 03:04.43 | pfred1 | well now you know how to let root run GUI applications in your X session |
| 03:05.01 | kalin00b | yep now i know :P |
| 03:05.02 | pfred1 | which is not always such a good thing |
| 03:05.05 | kalin00b | always good to learn something new |
| 03:05.11 | kalin00b | nah i wont really use it |
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| 03:05.15 | kalin00b | but nice to know |
| 03:05.27 | pfred1 | wel lI use it but I try to eb careful when I do |
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| 03:05.44 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 03:05.55 | kalin00b | i limit root to my haxing programs generally :) |
| 03:06.01 | kalin00b | and administration tasks |
| 03:06.21 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/162644/ |
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| 03:08.25 | kalin00b | anyhow, thanks, always nice to learn somethin :P |
| 03:08.36 | kalin00b | even if i doubt ill really use it |
| 03:09.25 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 03:09.47 | pfred1 | I use it if I want to update my xorg.conf file with my graphics adapter's utility program |
| 03:10.22 | pfred1 | my regular user doesn't have permissions to modify that file |
| 03:11.08 | kalin00b | makes sense |
| 03:11.24 | kalin00b | im pretty surprised this is the first ive had this problem :P |
| 03:11.38 | pfred1 | it is a security thing |
| 03:11.52 | pfred1 | X Window doesn't like other users using sessions |
| 03:11.55 | kalin00b | really simple explanation and makes sense but i guess i never tried using a gui tool as root before |
| 03:12.30 | pfred1 | root can go get their own X session as far as X Window is concerned |
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| 03:12.51 | kalin00b | yeah ive used my roots x session before |
| 03:13.06 | pfred1 | you can run multiple X sessions o nthe same computer |
| 03:13.12 | kalin00b | i know |
| 03:13.13 | Lis | hello everyone. i try to install non-free nvidia drivers, but aptitude stops with "can not resolve dependencies" "...will not be installed" |
| 03:13.16 | Lis | how can this be solved |
| 03:13.29 | kalin00b | i am the only user though and i rarely need to use roots so i typically dont |
| 03:13.35 | kalin00b | i know you can though :) |
| 03:13.36 | pfred1 | Lis aptitude update |
| 03:13.41 | Lis | i used the command line from here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 for debian testing |
| 03:13.47 | Lis | i did a update |
| 03:13.51 | pfred1 | oh OK |
| 03:14.11 | pfred1 | I guess the repo doesn't really have what you're looking for then |
| 03:14.30 | Lis | ah, those are not yet released? |
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| 03:14.40 | pfred1 | apparently not |
| 03:14.44 | Lis | ok, thank you |
| 03:15.09 | pfred1 | nvidia's closed source driver is one of the last things Debian is going to do |
| 03:15.22 | pfred1 | you could just use the run file |
| 03:15.22 | centrx | it's in Debian |
| 03:15.33 | ctmjr | AlexLikeRock: it is already mounted if you want to mount it somewhere else unmount it then mount it again |
| 03:15.36 | kalin00b | yeah you can use nvidias off their website |
| 03:15.39 | centrx | Lis, You haven't shown what dependencies couldn't be resolved, so hard to say what's wrong |
| 03:15.46 | centrx | Lis, Are you in fact running Debian testing? |
| 03:15.56 | pfred1 | they said jessie |
| 03:15.58 | Lis | yes |
| 03:16.05 | Lis | i am on testing |
| 03:16.05 | AlexLikeRock | i dont mount :-( cthuluh |
| 03:16.20 | AlexLikeRock | i have this problem with NTFS |
| 03:16.49 | Lis | i had problems with it all my life |
| 03:16.54 | kalin00b | theres like 50 pages about your issue in the first page of google results |
| 03:17.05 | Lis | bb everyone |
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| 03:17.42 | pfred1 | I got Debian's nvidia binary driver working here but I run wheezy |
| 03:17.59 | kalin00b | i do too |
| 03:18.07 | pfred1 | I've gotten the run fine to work too |
| 03:18.11 | pfred1 | file even |
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| 03:18.28 | pfred1 | heck I've been using Nvidia's binary driver since it was in beta |
| 03:18.38 | kalin00b | ive never tried the run file as the repos have good enough driver to suit my needs |
| 03:19.15 | pfred1 | back when this network was openprojects some nvidia devs used to hang out here and they got me going |
| 03:19.22 | kalin00b | 446.40 or something like that, i dont remember |
| 03:19.28 | ctmjr | AlexLikeRock: can you paste the output of "mount" |
| 03:19.58 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 03:20.11 | kalin00b | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=109465 |
| 03:20.13 | kalin00b | Alex |
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| 03:24.17 | AlexLikeRock | cthuluh, http://paste.debian.net/162646/ |
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| 03:24.32 | kalin00b | xpenguins make me smile :) |
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| 03:24.44 | Benjaminhusky | test |
| 03:24.47 | Benjaminhusky | okay |
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| 03:25.14 | pfred1 | AlexLikeRock fuser /dev/sdc1 |
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| 03:29.56 | AlexLikeRock | pfred1, |
| 03:29.59 | AlexLikeRock | fuser /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:30.00 | AlexLikeRock | /dev/sdc1: 5003 |
| 03:30.14 | AlexLikeRock | what more todo ? |
| 03:32.14 | pfred1 | AlexLikeRock fuser -m /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:32.42 | AlexLikeRock | pfred1, # fuser -m /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:32.43 | AlexLikeRock | /dev/sdc1: 5003 5211c |
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| 03:33.01 | pfred1 | still pretty cryptic |
| 03:33.12 | AlexLikeRock | :-S |
| 03:33.26 | AlexLikeRock | what mean ? |
| 03:33.35 | pfred1 | but 5211c has that file locked |
| 03:33.49 | pfred1 | whatever 5211c is |
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| 03:34.14 | pfred1 | you sure the partition isn't already mounted? |
| 03:34.31 | pfred1 | try just mount with no arguments |
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| 03:34.43 | pfred1 | see if it is there |
| 03:35.05 | AlexLikeRock | yes .its mounted |
| 03:35.10 | pfred1 | OK then |
| 03:35.23 | pfred1 | I guess you're done? |
| 03:35.58 | AlexLikeRock | nop |
| 03:36.12 | pfred1 | why you want to mount it twice? |
| 03:36.37 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/162647/ |
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| 03:37.17 | kalin00b | so heres a question i cant seem to google the answer to |
| 03:37.50 | kalin00b | i use gnome 2 and i finally found in dconf where i can make windows focus on mouse over |
| 03:38.03 | kalin00b | but it does it for a little while when i first boot then stops |
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| 03:38.12 | pfred1 | kalin00b yeah I can't live without focus follow mouse |
| 03:38.13 | kalin00b | i cant for the life of me figure out why it stops |
| 03:38.25 | kalin00b | i cant either and its driving me CRAZY |
| 03:39.25 | AlexLikeRock | oops |
| 03:39.26 | kalin00b | dconf doesnt change the values it just...stops working for no apparent reason |
| 03:39.28 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.29 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:40.01 | kalin00b | i even tested it as root in x session and it did the same thing |
| 03:40.06 | kalin00b | i am at a loss |
| 03:40.08 | kalin00b | its very frustrating |
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| 03:40.32 | pfred1 | kalin00b beats me my bash tab completion is broken here |
| 03:40.40 | pfred1 | ticks me off |
| 03:40.43 | kalin00b | THAT sucks |
| 03:40.56 | pfred1 | sure does seems to be something Debian is trying to "improve" |
| 03:41.23 | kalin00b | i really dont like any other desktop enviornment :( |
| 03:41.28 | pfred1 | I'm going to have to see what it is like on my other systems |
| 03:41.37 | kalin00b | but i hate no focus follows mouse |
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| 03:42.08 | pfred1 | maybe something is stealing focus? |
| 03:42.14 | kalin00b | especially when i have many terminals open |
| 03:42.29 | kalin00b | maybe cant imagine what though? |
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| 03:43.16 | pfred1 | hit tab twice in a terminal for me and tell me what happens |
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| 03:43.32 | pfred1 | with nothing on the command line |
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| 03:44.17 | pfred1 | does it say Display XXXX Possibilities (y,n) > |
| 03:44.37 | kalin00b | um no it makes the error noise |
| 03:44.39 | kalin00b | :( |
| 03:44.44 | pfred1 | yeah that's broken |
| 03:44.57 | pfred1 | Debian screwed tab completition up somehow |
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| 03:45.27 | kalin00b | i use tab completion on my schools red hat network all the time |
| 03:46.30 | pfred1 | well it works but not for the null command line |
| 03:46.32 | kalin00b | i thought it was just something i hadnt configured right at home but i guess im not the only one |
| 03:47.03 | pfred1 | there is something in the README file about how they're making it oh so much better |
| 03:47.09 | pfred1 | yeah doesn't seems like it to me |
| 03:47.09 | kalin00b | yeah mine works fine other than that too |
| 03:47.42 | pfred1 | double blank tab no longer works in Debian |
| 03:47.47 | kalin00b | i got used to it in class watching my linux teacher do command line so much faster using tab completion |
| 03:47.57 | kalin00b | i never really had given it much thought til that class |
| 03:48.07 | kalin00b | its SO MUCH FASTER when you use it lol |
| 03:48.31 | pfred1 | sometimes i just want to see how many files are on my path |
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| 03:49.27 | kalin00b | it makes life a lot easier thats for sure |
| 03:49.56 | kalin00b | i ignored its existence til that class when i watched him use it and was like wow...thats so much easier |
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| 03:51.53 | kalin00b | i was kind of offended when he asked if i was using ubuntu on my laptop though :P |
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| 03:53.13 | kalin00b | (im the only one in there who uses linux at home on my only laptop) |
| 03:54.11 | pfred1 | my hat is off to anyone that can handle Ubuntu. The stuff is just too flakey for me to deal with |
| 03:54.45 | kalin00b | the no root access turns me off |
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| 03:54.52 | pfred1 | you can fix that |
| 03:55.00 | pfred1 | just give root a shell in profile |
| 03:55.12 | kalin00b | i find it to be the distro most people who dont know what theyre doing use |
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| 03:55.32 | kalin00b | yeah i know you can but the sudo thing turns me off |
| 03:55.40 | pfred1 | but there's too much to fix in Ubuntu for me to consider using it |
| 03:57.05 | pfred1 | this tab completion issue isn't making me too happy with Debian though tonight |
| 03:57.18 | kalin00b | i think it just irritates me cause i got a rough start in linux with erasing my windows and putting kali on there which is not for noobs |
| 03:57.51 | kalin00b | so now i get to poke fun at ubuntu and mint and "easy" distros |
| 03:57.52 | pfred1 | I didn't erase Windows right off the bat when I started running Linux |
| 03:58.13 | kalin00b | i did lol i wanted linux for a long time and was fed up with windows |
| 03:58.24 | pfred1 | it took me a long time just to get Linux online back then |
| 03:58.26 | kalin00b | and it was like 4 am and i wasnt thinking clearly |
| 03:58.35 | kalin00b | best thing that ever happened to me though :) |
| 03:58.43 | kalin00b | i dont miss windows for a second |
| 03:58.45 | pfred1 | I had to write my own chap and pap scripts |
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| 03:59.30 | kalin00b | i had a bunch of "corrupted" disks and it took me 8 hours to install the first time xD |
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| 03:59.48 | pfred1 | I used CDs |
| 03:59.51 | kalin00b | idk why but the computer that made them made crappy discs |
| 03:59.58 | kalin00b | i meant cds |
| 04:00.13 | pfred1 | like bought CDs from Walnut creek |
| 04:00.25 | kalin00b | my computer burns awesome cds every distro ive ever installed has worked first cd i burned |
| 04:00.38 | kalin00b | but the ones my bf burned on his computer were awful |
| 04:00.49 | pfred1 | it was a few years before i had a DD burner when I first ran Linux |
| 04:00.56 | pfred1 | CD burner even |
| 04:00.58 | kalin00b | i went through like 5 kali discs and was thinking id be booting to a live cd for rest of my life lol |
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| 04:01.32 | pfred1 | my first Linux distro was Slackware 3.0 |
| 04:01.41 | kalin00b | i have a 3000 dollar laptop it better have a cd burner :P |
| 04:02.00 | kalin00b | but i didnt think to make my own linux cds before i decided to install it on a whim |
| 04:02.07 | pfred1 | in 1995 I think just a CD burner cost $3,000 |
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| 04:02.32 | kalin00b | lol i was 8 years old in 1995 |
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| 04:02.46 | pfred1 | no excuse |
| 04:02.50 | kalin00b | xD |
| 04:02.59 | kalin00b | no one told me how awesome linux was! |
| 04:03.03 | pfred1 | I'd have run Linux when I was 8 if Linux was around |
| 04:03.17 | kalin00b | my mom still doesnt know what an operating system is defined as |
| 04:03.29 | pfred1 | sometimes I wonder myself |
| 04:03.33 | kalin00b | i would have if anyone introduced me to it |
| 04:03.53 | pfred1 | I got trolled on Usenet and that's how I found out about Linux |
| 04:04.03 | kalin00b | right from the first day i had it it was the most fun i ever had on a computer |
| 04:04.14 | kalin00b | i spend so much time studying it now :) |
| 04:04.25 | pfred1 | there's a lot to learn that's for sure |
| 04:04.37 | kalin00b | my bf introduced me to hacking which introduced me to linux |
| 04:04.50 | kalin00b | he regrets it, lol |
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| 04:05.03 | pfred1 | I don't think Linux really still has the hacking reputation like it used to |
| 04:05.28 | ElOcho | what does? |
| 04:05.37 | kalin00b | it doesnt really but it is still far superior for it |
| 04:06.15 | ElOcho | trying to hack anything with BSD is frustrating at the least |
| 04:06.25 | kalin00b | i love how limitless linux is |
| 04:06.30 | ElOcho | ^ |
| 04:06.43 | kalin00b | its very powerful |
| 04:07.10 | pfred1 | I remember when nmap was considered a cracking tool |
| 04:07.36 | kalin00b | lol nmap wireshark and loic were the first hacking tools i ever used |
| 04:07.40 | ElOcho | it was in the matrix lol |
| 04:08.01 | pfred1 | now it is respectable |
| 04:08.01 | kalin00b | my bf just gave me a folder full of them didnt explain how to use any of them and yeah i was up all night |
| 04:08.05 | kalin00b | the rest is history |
| 04:08.09 | ElOcho | whatever her name is, when she drove the motorcycle into the power plant she used nmap to do whatever she did |
| 04:08.16 | kalin00b | changed the way i enjoy computers forever :) |
| 04:08.40 | kalin00b | anyway i was up all night last night its time to sleep x.x |
| 04:08.45 | pfred1 | Trinity |
| 04:08.49 | kalin00b | nice talking to you guys |
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| 04:08.57 | pfred1 | that was her name |
| 04:08.59 | ElOcho | yeah her |
| 04:09.04 | ElOcho | later |
| 04:09.43 | ElOcho | pfred1: Hey do you have flashplugin on your browser? |
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| 04:09.50 | pfred1 | yes |
| 04:09.59 | ElOcho | firefox? |
| 04:10.04 | pfred1 | yes |
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| 04:10.14 | ElOcho | is it saying it's not up to date? |
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| 04:10.23 | pfred1 | probably |
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| 04:10.43 | ElOcho | mine is I installed the latest one from the adobe site and it's still giving me that |
| 04:10.56 | pfred1 | Adobe hasn't released a new version for UNIX since 2011 |
| 04:11.08 | ElOcho | god I hate those prics |
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| 04:11.16 | pfred1 | all they provide now is the occasional security update |
| 04:11.24 | ElOcho | can't wait till mozilla releases shumway |
| 04:11.33 | pfred1 | flash sucks anyways |
| 04:11.41 | ElOcho | yeah |
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| 04:12.11 | pfred1 | all it is good for is annoying animated ads |
| 04:12.33 | ElOcho | lol well that and 1080p youtube |
| 04:13.26 | ElOcho | I use this site instead of netflix...THIS site is just chaulked full of mindless ads |
| 04:13.27 | ElOcho | http://www.free-tv-video-online.info/ |
| 04:13.34 | ElOcho | thank jesus for noscript |
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| 04:14.02 | pfred1 | I use ad block |
| 04:14.05 | ElOcho | its a good site but you really have to modify your browser to keep all the shit out |
| 04:14.11 | ElOcho | that too |
| 04:14.43 | pfred1 | I mean I've got the Internet do if I want something I'm going to find it people don't have to shove stuff in my face today |
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| 04:15.49 | Se7enElv1 | morning |
| 04:15.52 | ElOcho | "But you're not being constantly exposed to our product, if we shove it in your face ALL THE TIME you'll have to buy it!" lol |
| 04:16.23 | ElOcho | kinda sounds like apple now that I think about it lol |
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| 04:17.18 | pfred1 | Apple only has to tell their cult followers about something once amd they'll line up for it |
| 04:17.31 | pfred1 | they are very disciplined |
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| 04:17.46 | ElOcho | Pavlovian conditioning at its best |
| 04:17.54 | ElOcho | dude |
| 04:18.13 | ElOcho | who in their right mind would buy their watch |
| 04:18.31 | pfred1 | my favorite was the I'm Rich app |
| 04:18.58 | pfred1 | what little faith i may have had in humanity disappeared the day I learned about it |
| 04:18.58 | ElOcho | it sounds like a good idea but all the little practical problems just dosn't make a $200 wrist accessory worth it |
| 04:19.11 | ElOcho | never sen it |
| 04:19.15 | ElOcho | what is that? |
| 04:19.20 | pfred1 | it has a wikipedia page |
| 04:19.33 | pfred1 | worth hearing about i suppose |
| 04:20.05 | pfred1 | it displayed a diamond on your screen and cost $10,000 |
| 04:20.20 | ElOcho | hahahahahahahahahaha\ |
| 04:20.21 | pfred1 | 6 people bought it before Apple pulled it |
| 04:20.24 | ElOcho | wow |
| 04:20.35 | ElOcho | why would they pull that! |
| 04:20.40 | ElOcho | thats brilliant! |
| 04:20.48 | ElOcho | from a buisness standpoint |
| 04:20.50 | pfred1 | I guess the truth cuts too close sometimes? |
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| 04:21.17 | trickshotjohnny | 60k isn't a bad draw |
| 04:21.35 | ElOcho | yeah that probably would have been what alcoholics call a "moment of clarity" for apple fanboys |
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| 04:23.35 | pfred1 | wearables are not the future embedded technology is |
| 04:24.17 | pfred1 | getting that stuff implanted right in your body |
| 04:24.35 | ElOcho | eeh |
| 04:24.42 | pfred1 | nah it'll be cool |
| 04:24.54 | pfred1 | stuff jacked right into your brain |
| 04:25.04 | ElOcho | I'm all for the advancedment of AI but putting chips in my body just seems too 1984ish |
| 04:25.26 | ElOcho | good god the advertizements of the future lol |
| 04:25.31 | pfred1 | I'm not so sure if AI is possible with present tech |
| 04:25.49 | pfred1 | 1 and 0 might not be enough |
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| 04:26.29 | pfred1 | if it was you'd think we'd be further along with it by now |
| 04:26.31 | ElOcho | kinda reminds me of this lol |
| 04:26.31 | ElOcho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PJNlmk5Yik |
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| 04:27.17 | ElOcho | yeah but quantum computing is becoming a reality sooner that we thought |
| 04:27.24 | ElOcho | they're gigantic |
| 04:27.44 | ElOcho | but they're lightyears ahead of current digital standards |
| 04:27.55 | pfred1 | well if it happens the first sentient machine will run Linux |
| 04:28.28 | ElOcho | yes! |
| 04:28.32 | ElOcho | epic win |
| 04:28.35 | pfred1 | let's al lhope they put the magic sysreq in the kernel |
| 04:28.42 | ElOcho | lol |
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| 04:28.46 | pfred1 | justi n case things go horribly wrong |
| 04:28.57 | ElOcho | "I for one welcome our new robot overlords" |
| 04:29.31 | pfred1 | AI will be the end of our species |
| 04:30.09 | ElOcho | meh maybe maybe not I think we should let evolution run its course |
| 04:30.44 | ElOcho | If they can take the torch of sentience and run with it I say give it to em |
| 04:30.45 | pfred1 | we will have run our course at that point |
| 04:30.59 | pfred1 | we'd be dinosaurs next to AI |
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| 04:31.27 | ElOcho | I honestly don't think our species can really live out in space on a large scale |
| 04:31.34 | pfred1 | me either |
| 04:31.42 | pfred1 | space is a vacuum so it sucks |
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| 04:31.58 | ElOcho | and 3 billion years from now the sun will completly envelope the earth so thats why I'm all for AI |
| 04:32.35 | pfred1 | better it than us? |
| 04:32.39 | ElOcho | Gotta hand the torch to somebody/something |
| 04:32.54 | ElOcho | well if we're screwed anyways then yeah |
| 04:33.41 | pfred1 | there might be a reason we've never been able to establish contact with other intelligent extraterrestrial beings |
| 04:34.09 | pfred1 | technological civilizations might be an evolutionary dead end |
| 04:34.28 | ElOcho | maybe |
| 04:34.39 | pfred1 | it can sure seem that way sometimes |
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| 04:35.09 | ElOcho | for all the shit we give virusus and bacteria they've proven to be mor adaptable than we've ever been |
| 04:35.23 | ElOcho | more* |
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| 04:35.30 | pfred1 | this planet has living fossil species on it |
| 04:35.51 | pfred1 | aspecies that have been around unchanged for hundreds of millions of years |
| 04:36.05 | ElOcho | sharks? |
| 04:36.15 | ElOcho | lol |
| 04:36.15 | pfred1 | we haven't been around for 2 million yet and look how bad we're messing up already |
| 04:36.55 | pfred1 | lasting for hundreds of millions seems unlikely for us |
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| 04:37.16 | ElOcho | especially at this rate |
| 04:37.25 | ElOcho | overpopulation |
| 04:37.31 | ElOcho | global warming |
| 04:37.39 | ElOcho | ISIS lol |
| 04:37.59 | ElOcho | I honestly don't think they're the threat everybody thinks they are |
| 04:38.08 | ElOcho | just slightly better than alqueda |
| 04:38.20 | pfred1 | I wouldn't plan my vacation to their caliphate |
| 04:38.43 | ElOcho | dude have you seen the watch he wears? |
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| 04:39.00 | ElOcho | he's suppose to be a humble man but he wears a damn rolex! |
| 04:39.13 | pfred1 | he wears it humbly though |
| 04:39.18 | ElOcho | haha |
| 04:39.41 | ElOcho | where you from anyways? |
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| 04:40.02 | pfred1 | I'm from a suburb of NYC but I live in southern Delaware now |
| 04:40.23 | ElOcho | Dallas Texas born and raised |
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| 04:40.41 | ElOcho | I know I know Perry is a god damn luddite |
| 04:40.49 | pfred1 | how about them Cowboys? |
| 04:40.54 | ElOcho | meh |
| 04:41.12 | ElOcho | nobody really likes him |
| 04:41.21 | pfred1 | luddites might have the right idea |
| 04:41.22 | ElOcho | not even the republicans around here |
| 04:42.26 | ElOcho | anyways gtg netflix is calling my name |
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| 05:16.29 | AlexLikeRock | hrlp |
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| 05:16.31 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 05:16.52 | somiaj | Just ask your question |
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| 05:19.27 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/162658/ |
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| 05:19.50 | AlexLikeRock | i have error , whit ntfs |
| 05:20.06 | AlexLikeRock | i have seame error at HDD-USB |
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| 05:20.17 | AlexLikeRock | and this HDD-SATA |
| 05:20.18 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: check dmesg, input/output errors sometimes say bad hardware |
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| 05:20.39 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: but look at dmesg see if it is yelling at you for something is crazy about yoru hardware |
| 05:21.24 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/162659/ |
| 05:22.13 | AlexLikeRock | my hdd problem its /dev/sdc1 |
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| 05:22.51 | somiaj | seems like you have some lines missing from dmesg, but something is wrong wiht your hardware, be it faulty hardware, fautly cables or faulty drivers |
| 05:23.24 | AlexLikeRock | i tinks |
| 05:23.26 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.35 | somiaj | with hd it is rarely drivers. |
| 05:23.44 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:24.05 | somiaj | could be a faulty usb wire, or sometimes just a certain port on your computer is faulty. Try another usb port. |
| 05:24.33 | AlexLikeRock | i try , at 4 USB port's |
| 05:25.06 | AlexLikeRock | i dont now :-S |
| 05:26.06 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: if its a hardware issue it has to show in dmesg, but i see nothing |
| 05:26.33 | AlexLikeRock | :-( |
| 05:28.06 | somiaj | well I see sdc: sdc1 printing, like part of the output if the device kept resetting. I'd like to think it isn't the usb masstorage driver as that is fairly solid |
| 05:28.17 | AlexLikeRock | dmes one more time http://paste.debian.net/162662/ |
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| 05:28.49 | AlexLikeRock | yes, now its a SATA |
| 05:28.58 | AlexLikeRock | 3.5 inchs |
| 05:29.22 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: you are running a debian system with a debian stock kernel. |
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| 05:29.38 | somiaj | dmesg just has some artificats of logs, like something is happening but it isn't printing all the info |
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| 05:30.52 | duckey | Why wont this work? http://pastebin.com/dmwUn4GU |
| 05:31.02 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: dpkg -l ntfs-3g |
| 05:32.09 | AlexLikeRock | my hardware its not compatible with kernel 3.16 |
| 05:32.46 | valdyn | duckey: line 17, theres an exit, but no "fi" |
| 05:32.48 | AlexLikeRock | ok, somiaj , i will install hig kernel , later |
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| 05:33.30 | duckey | valdyn, my debugger says fi is not recognized |
| 05:33.58 | AlexLikeRock | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/162664/ |
| 05:35.39 | duckey | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.46 | duckey | still |
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| 05:40.04 | valdyn | duckey: http://pastebin.com/ngm3yD3R |
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| 05:43.00 | duckey | valdyn, thanks! How can I loop until someone answers yes or no? |
| 05:43.35 | duckey | nvm |
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| 05:46.00 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: ntfs-3g is all that is broken for you |
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| 05:46.11 | AlexLikeRock | haaa |
| 05:46.13 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 05:46.16 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:46.50 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: what does "modprobe fuse" give? |
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| 05:47.52 | AlexLikeRock | # modprobe fuse |
| 05:47.52 | AlexLikeRock | root@sexy:/home/# |
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| 05:48.09 | AlexLikeRock | noting to show :-S |
| 05:48.21 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: was this a custom kernel? |
| 05:48.34 | AlexLikeRock | nop |
| 05:48.40 | AlexLikeRock | $ uname -a |
| 05:48.40 | AlexLikeRock | Linux sexy 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:48.46 | AlexLikeRock | its a old kernel |
| 05:49.28 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: thats not wrong basically, unless the rest of your system requires a higher kernel... |
| 05:50.23 | AlexLikeRock | LOL |
| 05:50.44 | AlexLikeRock | but my hardware don like kernel 3.16 :-( |
| 05:50.50 | AlexLikeRock | and 3.12 |
| 05:50.53 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: your paste totally makes no sense though |
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| 05:50.59 | AlexLikeRock | ha ha haa |
| 05:51.12 | AlexLikeRock | ok, valdyn and somiaj |
| 05:51.14 | mdl2014 | really |
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| 05:51.22 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: you are trying to cd QUARANTINE, but that directory does not exist at /home/, did you doctor that? |
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| 05:51.34 | AlexLikeRock | i reintall kernel |
| 05:51.58 | AlexLikeRock | valdyn, |
| 05:52.04 | duckey | Hay so every time I try to compile my gnome shell extensions, I get "make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1" |
| 05:52.05 | AlexLikeRock | root@sexy:/media/1# cd QUARANTINE |
| 05:52.05 | AlexLikeRock | bash: cd: QUARANTINE: Error de entrada/salida |
| 05:52.05 | AlexLikeRock | root@sexy:/media/1# cd QUARANTINE |
| 05:52.25 | AlexLikeRock | i am at /media/1 |
| 05:52.45 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: did you reboot once yet? |
| 05:52.55 | AlexLikeRock | nop |
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| 05:53.31 | valdyn | AlexLikeRock: just do that once... |
| 05:53.44 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
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| 05:55.03 | duckey | has anyone else ever had that error? |
| 05:55.35 | valdyn | !first error |
| 05:55.39 | valdyn | !error |
| 05:55.39 | dpkg | user error at console, abort, retry, fail? See also <doesn't work>, <errors>. |
| 05:55.47 | valdyn | duckey: that was not the first error |
| 05:55.59 | duckey | nope, one sec |
| 05:56.59 | duckey | valdyn, |
| 05:57.01 | duckey | http://pastebin.com/2tnE3hHF |
| 05:57.51 | valdyn | Makefile:487: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 05:58.05 | duckey | What does that mean? |
| 05:58.15 | duckey | I need a separator? |
| 05:58.23 | valdyn | duckey: that you have a syntax error in the Makefile |
| 05:58.28 | valdyn | duckey: yes |
| 05:58.52 | duckey | okay, where can I get one or better, how? |
| 05:59.07 | valdyn | duckey: you cant, this makefile is probably generated |
| 05:59.16 | duckey | meaning? |
| 05:59.26 | valdyn | duckey: and you would need to fix the generator, and before that you would need to learn programming |
| 05:59.40 | valdyn | duckey: this leads to far.. and is offtopic |
| 05:59.46 | duckey | What language? |
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| 06:02.26 | duckey | valdyn, Do I need to learn C or C++? |
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| 06:07.13 | AlexLikeRock | im hir |
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| 06:08.27 | AlexLikeRock | # uname -a |
| 06:08.27 | AlexLikeRock | Linux sexy 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt7-1 (2015-03-01) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:09.15 | htqp | duckey: report the problem to those who gave you the source code you are compiling |
| 06:10.22 | AlexLikeRock | valdyn, somiaj |
| 06:10.26 | AlexLikeRock | help me |
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| 06:13.29 | rozie | AlexLikeRock: you have 3.16 in backports repo... |
| 06:13.31 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/162669 |
| 06:13.37 | AlexLikeRock | dmesg ââââ |
| 06:13.57 | AlexLikeRock | i download by webpage |
| 06:14.45 | rozie | AlexLikeRock: http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 06:15.44 | AlexLikeRock | rozie, what you mean ? |
| 06:15.51 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:18.48 | duckey | htqp, it was gnome |
| 06:19.21 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: I do not reconize that kernel, where did you get it? |
| 06:19.36 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.41 | AlexLikeRock | ***here |
| 06:20.52 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: are you running jessie? |
| 06:20.59 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 06:21.06 | somiaj | hmm, guess debian kernels now have a -ckt4-2 in the name, that is new to me, that is why I was confused. |
| 06:21.32 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 06:21.36 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: still acting like bad hardware to me. Could be the usb hub on your machine. Could it be you are mixing a usb3 only device on a usb2 hub? |
| 06:22.20 | AlexLikeRock | no, |
| 06:22.37 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.00 | AlexLikeRock | the USB-HDD its unpluged |
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| 06:27.52 | abnegate | how can i install the info pages for the info command? |
| 06:28.01 | abnegate | "info info" just shows a small manpage |
| 06:28.19 | abnegate | and /usr/share/info does not contain info.info.gz |
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| 06:34.47 | nkuttler | abnegate: apt-cache show info suggests a package |
| 06:35.55 | abnegate | texinfo-doc-nonfree |
| 06:35.56 | abnegate | thanks |
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| 07:09.19 | talin_ | hello. when i try to use mutt, i get: gnutls_handshake: An unexpected TLS packet was received. |
| 07:09.31 | talin_ | i read somewhere that this was a bug? any known ways to fix it? i am running jessie |
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| 07:11.03 | ripdisk | i really hope this isn't against the rules, but i live in a medical marijuana state, i'm a legal grower, and i'd like to say that i'm proud to announce i've successfully established healthy offspring from a BRAND NEW strain of medicine i made myself, and it is going to be known as Debian |
| 07:11.11 | ripdisk | is that bad? can i say that? |
| 07:11.40 | qmr | Yea. No. |
| 07:12.03 | qmr | Debian is a registered trademark. |
| 07:12.51 | duckey | How can I customize the gnome environment? With themes or things like the one applications bar in fedora? |
| 07:13.24 | RDash | duckey, gnome-look.org ? |
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| 07:13.53 | duckey | RDash, Ok I will check one more time. |
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| 07:14.51 | duckey | RDash, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Liberty+Shell?content=169321 |
| 07:15.00 | duckey | Is there something like that for debian? |
| 07:15.33 | duckey | Or can I still use it even though its for ubuntu? |
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| 07:16.15 | RDash | duckey, If the requirements match you can install it :) |
| 07:16.49 | duckey | RDash, by the download button, it says Ubuntu |
| 07:17.02 | RDash | you can try it ;) |
| 07:17.20 | RDash | duckey, it should work in theory |
| 07:17.32 | duckey | okay let me try then |
| 07:17.59 | RDash | duckey, some one else will have to help you in a bit because I have to go to work now |
| 07:18.24 | duckey | okay thanks |
| 07:19.09 | RDash | duckey, it is always worth a shot installing a theme because most libraries are up to date and working though. If you really want a slick WM (Window Manager) I would recommend 'Cinnamon' |
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| 07:19.31 | duckey | Okay, Thanks! |
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| 07:19.52 | RDash | duckey, cause Cinnamon made me stick more to linux then ever, works easy and has the trusty old GNOME experience but much better ;) |
| 07:20.13 | duckey | Yeah, gnome is getting old... |
| 07:20.21 | RDash | duckey, |
| 07:20.29 | bawbags | cinnamon looks pretty slick to be fair :) |
| 07:20.36 | RDash | Gnome is not getting old, its changes was not adaptable enough for me. |
| 07:20.38 | bawbags | and I hate the look of everything... |
| 07:20.49 | duckey | Huh |
| 07:21.21 | RDash | duckey, well they changed to some 'new' style, which I dislike and can barely adapt to it because it feels sluggish/weird |
| 07:21.32 | duckey | How can I install one of these? |
| 07:21.39 | RDash | duckey, your new to linux? |
| 07:21.48 | duckey | Yes |
| 07:21.50 | RDash | ah |
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| 07:22.12 | duckey | I dont really do customization but I have some free time. |
| 07:22.24 | RDash | duckey, I'd wish to explain it to you but I am already late for work so if you care to ask some one else how to do it or use Google it would be allot appreciated |
| 07:22.39 | duckey | Ok |
| 07:22.48 | duckey | thanks for don=ing what you could |
| 07:23.19 | RDash | duckey, best thing to do is to teach your self looking up your issues on google or duckduckgo and learn to be self efficient in linux. This is one of the easyer ways to learn how to use it and figure out problems etc. |
| 07:23.46 | RDash | Cause there is always some day YOU will have to teach others ;) |
| 07:23.56 | duckey | Ok, but one thing. Are these themes? Or shells? |
| 07:24.09 | RDash | Themes are themes, shells are shells |
| 07:24.23 | duckey | So shells? |
| 07:24.31 | RDash | you need themes ;) |
| 07:24.41 | duckey | Like the liberty one? |
| 07:24.49 | RDash | Depending on your flavor :) |
| 07:24.57 | RDash | but already 10 minutes late D: |
| 07:25.03 | RDash | got to go now other wise ill have the sack :D |
| 07:25.03 | duckey | Ok now, have fun at work! |
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| 07:31.55 | talin_ | gnutls_handshake: An unexpected TLS packet was received. |
| 07:32.00 | talin_ | i get this when i try to use mutt |
| 07:32.13 | talin_ | i see that this is a known problem. does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 07:46.34 | usv | Hi everyone. I'm using debian jessie. I came across a mysterious problem with shell. Why executing the following command from command line and from cron produces different results? echo [playing] > /tmp/foobar |
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| 07:48.05 | phy1729 | !jessie |
| 07:48.05 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>. |
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| 07:52.09 | valdyn | usv: this is bad usage of [ and ] because the output depends on the current directory contents |
| 07:52.29 | valdyn | usv: put it in " " |
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| 07:53.51 | valdyn | usv: just try: "touch p"; echo [playing] |
| 07:53.59 | valdyn | usv: just try: "touch p; echo [playing]" |
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| 08:01.27 | usv | valdyn: Not working: 'touch p; echo [playing] > /tmp/foobar' in cron gives 'p y' |
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| 08:01.48 | usv | valdyn: BTW, squeeze has no such problem. |
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| 08:01.59 | valdyn | usv: of course its working |
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| 08:02.25 | valdyn | usv: now "touch a" and try again |
| 08:02.49 | valdyn | usv: but you dont need cron for the experiment |
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| 08:04.03 | valdyn | !globbing |
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| 08:05.01 | barfod | Ok i have a gamble, if i can answer the next question perfectly make me a debian dev, if i lose kick ban me from the channel |
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| 08:05.13 | barfod | double or nothing |
| 08:05.22 | valdyn | usv: echo [ab] <- echo all files named "a" or "b" or if none exists echo literally "[ab]" |
| 08:05.33 | oliv3r | Hi, am I right in thinking embdebian is mostly just responsible for supplying toolchains, as -crush and -grub are RIP? |
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| 08:07.55 | barfod | embdebian is select set of packages compiled against a special libc, it is essentially the same as using yocto or buildroot, except you get all the awesome debian support and security updates |
| 08:08.46 | barfod | the idea is that you build a root filesystem for an embedded board, ie; a raspberry pi or beaglebone black, a phone, a tablet, {something more exotic here} etc |
| 08:09.15 | barfod | ok kick ban me now, that answer kinda sucked |
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| 08:11.21 | barfod | oh i see "As of July 2014, updates to the Emdebian distributions ceased. There will be no further updates .. " |
| 08:11.45 | barfod | so yeah, that was a major waste of my time to learn :D |
| 08:11.55 | barfod | but who cares not like the first time i have wasted |
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| 08:19.19 | usv | valdyn: I get it now: I occasionally created file y, and it had this ugly effect. How do I disable it? |
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| 08:27.14 | csc` | I keep getting 404 errors trying to update the Main stable repository and can't seem to understand why since it's a fresh installation |
| 08:29.20 | bawbags | perhaps the 404 is genuine |
| 08:29.39 | bawbags | pastebin your sources.list? |
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| 08:30.40 | bawbags | or more accurately at https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:31.27 | csc` | bawbags, yes, the 404 is genuine. It keeps looking for Packages but there's only Packages.gz and bz2 |
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| 08:32.17 | bawbags | ah, i'd try another mirror and call it a day, usually figures itself out |
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| 08:32.39 | csc` | thats just it |
| 08:32.47 | csc` | i've tried over a dozen mirrors |
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| 08:33.00 | csc` | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/77c596e0 |
| 08:33.14 | csc` | If I add 'main' to the first deb line, it'll fail due to 404 |
| 08:33.54 | bawbags | hm, let me check mine |
| 08:35.06 | bawbags | the / after debian is wrong |
| 08:35.39 | bawbags | it should be wheezy/updates hang on |
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| 08:36.02 | csc` | bawbags, didn't seem to matter if that was there or not |
| 08:36.31 | jelly | csc`: looks just fine, except for you using ftp.debian.org directly instead of a mirror that's closer to you |
| 08:36.56 | jelly | (/ at the end of mirror base url is not wrong) |
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| 08:37.35 | jelly | !wheezy sources.list |
| 08:37.35 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 08:37.36 | bawbags | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable contrib non-free |
| 08:37.54 | bawbags | that's how mine was looking without the / after debian |
| 08:38.00 | jelly | bawbags: it's not a good idea to use "stable" |
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| 08:38.11 | bawbags | yeah i copied from his, i use wheezy |
| 08:38.52 | jelly | csc`: change the mentions of "stable" to "wheezy" then |
| 08:38.58 | bawbags | although dpkg would know i suppose |
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| 08:39.30 | csc` | could've sworn i tried that too, but seems like it mightve been the issue |
| 08:39.34 | bawbags | that should be with main in the example i gave heh |
| 08:40.16 | bawbags | which was the issue? |
| 08:40.17 | jelly | csc`: and while you're there you can try using the http.debian.net redirector instead of ftp.debian.org, like the bot suggested |
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| 08:41.55 | bawbags | I'll have to remember to bug the bot on those occasions i forget how to write a sources.list :p |
| 08:42.05 | bawbags | that should really be in man sources.list me thinks |
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| 08:43.11 | jelly | "if you can't figure this out yourself, connect to irc.debian.org, /j #debian and ask the bot" is probably not man page material |
| 08:43.25 | bawbags | lol |
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| 08:44.32 | bawbags | well yes, but i'm sometimes lazy or stuck without net so an example of fully functioning sources.list for that release isn't a bad idea :p |
| 08:44.55 | bawbags | /etc/apt/sources.list.example ftw |
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| 08:46.54 | Sr_D | hi, can anyone recommend me a good USB Wireless adapter for Debian. Actually I have an alpha network but the drivers are too old and I have some problems to get high rate |
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| 08:47.25 | oznt | can some help me understand why I can't bring a network inteface up? Here is my config http://paste.debian.net/162684/ |
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| 08:49.29 | bawbags | are you trying to bring up eth1? |
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| 08:50.40 | oznt | bawbags, yes, and I would to shut down the bridge with the public IP |
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| 08:51.08 | bawbags | eth1 needs a gateway if you want it to have access to the 'net |
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| 08:51.40 | bawbags | gateway 192.168.1.1 or whatever the gateway is and it should work |
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| 08:52.35 | oznt | bawbags, I have gateway 192.168.1.1 (if I uncomment that line) but I am still getting: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 08:52.36 | oznt | Failed to bring up eth1. |
| 08:52.36 | bawbags | also if you comment out auto vmbr0 it won't come up automatically |
| 08:52.54 | bawbags | oh, perhaps ifdown eth1 then ifup eth1? |
| 08:53.04 | oznt | bawbags, I shut it down with ip link set vmbr0 down |
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| 08:53.23 | oznt | odd - ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 08:53.27 | bawbags | and ifdown vmbr0 |
| 08:53.38 | bawbags | hm, well debian mostly uses ifupdown scripts |
| 08:54.09 | oznt | I am connect to the machine via ssh 192.168.1.40, so I am wondering why it says the interface is not up |
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| 08:56.11 | bawbags | I'd modify interfaces file then reboot, I had some odd issues before where I hadn't shut down interfaces using ifdown and ifup |
| 08:56.21 | bawbags | seems the only way it really likes it done now |
| 08:56.40 | bawbags | the only way i solved it was rebooting |
| 08:57.12 | oznt | bawbags, I found the solution : ifconfig eth1 down && ifconfig eth1 up |
| 08:57.20 | oznt | not ifup\ifdown |
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| 08:57.53 | csc` | jelly, and none of that worked. |
| 08:58.10 | csc` | still fails using the bots links and wheezy instead of stable |
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| 08:59.49 | bawbags | oznt, ah, nice i'll remember it's ifconfig if i get issues then |
| 09:00.05 | bawbags | used to be you could just use /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 09:00.15 | bawbags | and everything would be fine |
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| 09:00.46 | mdl2014 | debian official irc is in oftc server , is it ??? |
| 09:01.03 | jelly | csc`: hm, that's weird |
| 09:01.16 | jelly | mdl2014: correct |
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| 09:01.40 | oznt | now I just need to configure a dns for this server ... |
| 09:01.51 | mdl2014 | but people here is much more than it ! |
| 09:02.05 | bawbags | freenode is more popular |
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| 09:03.29 | mdl2014 | Oh,I see ! Thank you ! |
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| 09:07.09 | Sr_D | how can I know if my wireless adapter is working in G, N or B? |
| 09:07.20 | Sr_D | I mean I want to know in which mode is working |
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| 09:11.35 | talin_ | Sr_D: perhaps "iwlist" can help? |
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| 09:13.45 | Sr_D | talin_: maybe from rate I can deduce the type |
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| 09:16.15 | jeeves_moss | can anyone give me any reccomendations on a good webcam software that will do PVR and web page viewing of my camera? I have a raspberry Pi with the camera, so that's the hardware. |
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| 09:20.19 | duckey | I would like to get cinnamon on wheezy and so far, it has been a hellish experience. I added the repos from this site: http://avedo.net/708/installing-debian-wheezy-with-cinnamon-desktop and I typed: "sudo apt-get install cinnamon cinnamon-session cinnamon-settings" and got: http://pastebin.com/FsZ4SyAV |
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| 09:21.39 | bawbags | could you put that in paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:21.48 | bawbags | I can't access this site |
| 09:22.06 | duckey | okay |
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| 09:22.45 | duckey | bawbags, http://paste.debian.net/162691/ |
| 09:23.29 | bawbags | by the way, debian users that want recent software tend to use testing (aka jessie) for a desktop environment |
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| 09:23.55 | duckey | I scared it will ch=rash mt pc |
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| 09:24.14 | Mtlbtiex | SET-TOP-BOX vs PC with dvb cards? pros/cons? what you prefer and why? |
| 09:24.17 | Mtlbtiex | where you watch tv on |
| 09:24.22 | bawbags | the reason you can't install whatever that is is because cinnamon-settings is not a valid package, try apt-cache search cinnamon | grep settings to find the right name |
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| 09:25.04 | bawbags | duckey, sadly I can't promise you that it won't, but generally it shouldn't |
| 09:25.41 | duckey | I have a pc form bestbuy. The fact I got Linux on it in the first place is a blessing from god :) |
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| 09:26.59 | duckey | bawbags, http://paste.debian.net/162692/ |
| 09:27.00 | SynrG | the installation method above is not supported here |
| 09:27.02 | duckey | :( |
| 09:27.07 | SynrG | and yes, use jessie for cinnamon. we support that |
| 09:27.17 | SynrG | !frankendebian |
| 09:27.18 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 09:27.46 | SynrG | ,v cinnamon |
| 09:27.47 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.16-5; jessie: 2.2.16-5; experimental: 2.4.6-1 |
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| 09:28.50 | SynrG | duckey: unfortunately, your "hellish experience" is exactly what the frankendebian factoid above is about. you will inevitably break your system when you mix distros. |
| 09:29.04 | SynrG | if i were you, i'd start clean with a jessie install. |
| 09:29.16 | duckey | ugh |
| 09:29.25 | duckey | I have every package I want |
| 09:29.36 | duckey | ooh |
| 09:29.46 | duckey | I can update to it |
| 09:29.47 | duckey | but |
| 09:29.50 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 09:29.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:30.00 | duckey | Will it be stable soon? |
| 09:30.08 | SynrG | duckey: if you can guarantee that every package you mixed from another repo is purged first, you can upgrade. |
| 09:30.26 | SynrG | and i mean *every* package. every dependency of cinnamon |
| 09:30.33 | duckey | Okay |
| 09:30.44 | duckey | So just delete the repos? |
| 09:30.59 | duckey | And, I have some bad ppa repos |
| 09:31.13 | SynrG | i really think a clean install would be better. |
| 09:31.19 | SynrG | ppas are for ubuntu. not debian |
| 09:31.26 | duckey | Oh |
| 09:31.28 | duckey | Well |
| 09:31.42 | duckey | Can I purge them? |
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| 09:33.02 | bawbags | remove the lines pertaining to those repos from your souces.list |
| 09:33.25 | bawbags | but if you've installed stuff, you may have to manually remove |
| 09:33.46 | SynrG | duckey: you can, but you may miss some dependencies. grep 'status installed' /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 09:34.25 | bawbags | yes, once you remove the stuff you installed you can always do apt-get autoremove --purge to remove some of it's debs |
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| 09:34.31 | SynrG | can you separate out from that list things installed from third-party repos? you may or may not recognize them |
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| 09:34.47 | bawbags | the risk of going to other repos is you may break something essential |
| 09:35.28 | SynrG | and it might not *just* be a matter of removals |
| 09:35.38 | SynrG | but of downgrading things the other repo provides |
| 09:35.41 | SynrG | also: |
| 09:35.43 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 09:35.43 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 09:35.56 | oznt | can a gateway have an address 192.168.1.21. most guides always show 192.168.1.1, which seems like a convention |
| 09:35.56 | duckey | How bout just apt-get autoremove? |
| 09:35.58 | SynrG | duckey: so there are numerous risks here. |
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| 09:36.11 | bawbags | yeah generally if I break packages I just get the CD out again, to be sure junk xyz is gone |
| 09:36.35 | duckey | Just all of your files gone? |
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| 09:36.59 | bawbags | no I mean if you break something sometimes the only option is a reinstall |
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| 09:37.12 | bawbags | but I am happy to use a last resort first if something goes badly wrong |
| 09:37.18 | bawbags | that's just me though |
| 09:37.19 | SynrG | also, things can be broken in subtle ways ... |
| 09:37.22 | duckey | will jessie be stable soon? |
| 09:37.42 | SynrG | you might not know until months from now a library you upgraded will cause another "nightmare" later |
| 09:38.18 | SynrG | so a reinstall is the only way to reestablish 100% confidence in the integrity of your system |
| 09:38.33 | duckey | This is why people dont like to switch to linux. Mainly cause there blind but, most stuff like this. |
| 09:38.36 | duckey | :) |
| 09:38.39 | SynrG | unless you are skilled at reading the logs and know for certain you've restored it to a "pristine" state |
| 09:39.24 | SynrG | where "stuff like this" is "if i do something bad to my system in ignorance, i'm faced with a possible reinstall?" |
| 09:39.27 | bawbags | Jessie can be installed by a testing network install cd |
| 09:39.27 | duckey | Ok well, im gonna wait till tomorrow. |
| 09:39.34 | SynrG | that's entirely possible with other OSes, too |
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| 09:40.13 | duckey | Im just exhausted. I need to make my own distro! :) |
| 09:40.17 | bawbags | but it requires more maintenence, as you should upgrade jessie daily more or less |
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| 09:40.28 | duckey | jesus no |
| 09:40.54 | bawbags | they aren't huge, but yes it can be a (small) bother |
| 09:41.02 | SynrG | bawbags: i wouldn't say daily. weekly is fine |
| 09:41.17 | duckey | I will wait till stable, i think |
| 09:41.21 | duckey | ugh |
| 09:41.25 | duckey | good night |
| 09:41.28 | bawbags | well yeah weekly will do |
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| 09:42.49 | greenit | hi, i have a short question, and as i can't connect to irc.oftc.net, i thought i'll ask here: is Debian Unstable a full rolling-release distro? AFAIK Debian Testing is a semi rolling-release |
| 09:43.11 | bawbags | I remember being a noob.. it was exciting times switching from the old red hat to debian |
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| 09:43.47 | SynrGy | greenit: not exactly. and neither is testing. |
| 09:43.50 | SynrGy | !rolling |
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| 09:43.50 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
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| 09:44.36 | SynrGy | in fact, the whole concept of a "rolling release" is more wishful thinking than something you can depend on. :p |
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| 09:44.54 | bawbags | rolling release distros are a nightmare |
| 09:45.11 | SynrGy | to me, a "release" is something that a significant amount of time goes into qualifying to make sure it's ready for users to actually use. |
| 09:45.23 | SynrGy | that makes "rolling release" an oxymoron |
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| 09:46.17 | SynrGy | anyway, i had better close this window too. gotta work :) later |
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| 09:47.31 | greenit | probably, but i pretty much like the updates Debian Testing gets outside the freeze-windows... However, i don't like the freeze-windows... does Debian Unstable still get updates while Debian Testing is in freeze-mode? |
| 09:48.39 | trewas | greenit: mostly no, only packages which are not in testing can be updated freely in unstable during freeze |
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| 09:50.55 | greenit | ok, thanks |
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| 09:54.42 | talin_ | might not be the right place to ask, but i am trying to make gkrellm have no borders. it's border is a png-file that is 1x1 transparent, but it still shows a color (from my xorg theme, openbox i think). i.e. same color as title bars |
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| 09:56.03 | duckey | So If you type aptitude install gnome-shell and then gnome-shell --replace it sets up this awesome theme. How can I delete the regular gnome theme and replace it with that one? |
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| 10:19.07 | illy | hi |
| 10:19.18 | koowgnojeel | Hi |
| 10:19.19 | illy | im trying to install "xen-qemu-dm" |
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| 10:19.30 | illy | from the deb rep. but there is no such thing there :P |
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| 10:20.00 | illy | has it ben renamed or something? |
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| 10:22.10 | illy | this one |
| 10:22.11 | illy | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xen-qemu-dm-4.0 |
| 10:22.37 | illy | root@ns303569:~# apt-cache search xen-qemu-dm |
| 10:22.38 | illy | root@ns303569:~# |
| 10:22.49 | duckey | Is there a way to load netflex? |
| 10:22.58 | duckey | that is known? |
| 10:23.27 | zoku | duckey: netflix requires silverlight, a windows piece of shit |
| 10:23.36 | zoku | illy: are you running squeeze? |
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| 10:23.53 | duckey | zoku, will wine support? |
| 10:24.04 | illy | zoku: yeah |
| 10:24.16 | zoku | duckey: hmm, i never tried it in wine, I'm not sure |
| 10:24.37 | duckey | zoku, How did you do it? |
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| 10:25.32 | shingouz | !netflix |
| 10:25.33 | dpkg | This may or may not work: https://plus.google.com/104912707432334684242/posts/1gnbmo63xVa |
| 10:25.46 | duckey | ok let me try |
| 10:26.31 | shingouz | duckey: you *do* know that you might bust up your system, don't you? |
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| 10:26.44 | duckey | Yes |
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| 10:27.22 | zoku | it should be fine.. he's only adding a chrome extension |
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| 10:27.42 | shingouz | the keyword here is "should" ;) |
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| 10:36.21 | Mtlbtiex | mpmc what did your girlfriend do to you on your birthday? |
| 10:36.33 | Mtlbtiex | @debian: how about you? |
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| 10:45.04 | duckey | Didnt work :( |
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| 10:47.27 | shingouz | duckey: i seem to recall that there was some weird and wonderful solution for silverlight. it involved some magic with wine. do some googling for debian silverlight and i believe you should be able to unearth something |
| 10:47.48 | duckey | okay, thanks |
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| 10:49.51 | cap3lla | hi all. I have downloaded the .tar.gz file from teamviewer download and extracted it into /opt/teamviewer Now when I want to launch teamviewer I have to execute "/opt/teamviewer/teamviewer" to run the program. Can I somehow put the /opt (+ subdirs) to the environment PATH so I just can run "teamviewer" and it automatically is executed ? |
| 10:50.24 | nkuttler | !tell cap3lla about path |
| 10:50.36 | duckey | shingouz, Will pipelight work? |
| 10:50.37 | cap3lla | what I am trying to achieve is, when in gnome desktop environment, I want to search for "teamviewer" and it should be find by the system so I can click on the symbol and launch it |
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| 10:50.44 | petn-randall | cap3lla: Easiest way is to just symlink /usr/local/bin/teamview to the binary. |
| 10:50.48 | shingouz | duckey: not sure, try it |
| 10:50.57 | duckey | okay |
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| 10:51.04 | petn-randall | *teamviewer |
| 10:52.33 | cap3lla | petn-randall: can I do that for all other programs residing under /opt, too? Automatically? Something like "include /opt" completely ? |
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| 10:52.58 | petn-randall | cap3lla: Check what dpkg sent you. |
| 10:53.04 | cap3lla | oh ok |
| 10:54.44 | Sr_D | how can I add a minimize button in all windows (gnome3). I'm using jessi and I'm trying to use dconf-editor but the button-layout doesn exit |
| 10:55.02 | cap3lla | petn-randall: for my understanding please ... when I execute just "PATH=$PATH:/opt" I added the /opt directory to my path enviroment, I ensured with "echo $PATH". But that doesn't seem to be enough, because "teamviewer" on the prompt is not recognized |
| 10:55.59 | polyphagia | Sr_D: it's in gnome-tweak-tool |
| 10:56.20 | somiaj | Sr_D: what version of gnome, with many applications doing client side displays it is getting harder and harder to manage all windows with your wm. (: |
| 10:56.31 | cap3lla | how can I tell my system that I want everything under /opt (that means all subdirs and subdirs) to be also included in path env ? |
| 10:56.35 | tomivs | Hi all, I can't open nautilus, gnome-terminal, gnome-control-center, etc. I recently upgraded from wheezy to sid. I modified my "sources.list" and ran "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-updgrade" |
| 10:56.37 | tomivs | Can anyone help me? |
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| 10:57.30 | somiaj | cap3lla: most likely things you care about that run bash, you can edit your .bashrc or .bash_profile and modify your $PATH there to include custom places. |
| 10:57.35 | Sr_D | somiaj: gnome shell 3.14.2 |
| 10:57.41 | somiaj | cap3lla: I think you'll have to add each bin dir inside of /opt sepertally. |
| 10:58.04 | somiaj | Sr_D: many things are running csd by that version, you may find that some windows won't change even if you tell your wm to do so. |
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| 10:58.29 | Sr_D | polyphagia: I tried gnome-tweak-tool too but did find the option |
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| 10:58.55 | somiaj | tomivs: you'll have to get more info such as an error. One way to do so is run a terminal and run 'nautilus' from that terminal. What error do you get. |
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| 10:59.19 | polyphagia | it's definitely there Sr_D as a dropdown |
| 10:59.26 | cap3lla | somiaj: I did understand how to edit my profile or bash profile, but I'd like to know if there's a way to auto-add all subdirs of /opt inside my path variable |
| 11:00.38 | tomivs | http://pastebin.com/kSugN9A4 |
| 11:00.50 | somiaj | cap3lla: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/17715/how-can-i-set-all-subdirectories-of-a-directory-into-path -- the second solution (with 8 votes) would be my sugestion. making your path variable have 'all subdirs' probabaly isn't the best way. |
| 11:01.05 | tomivs | segmentation fault |
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| 11:01.14 | Sr_D | somiaj: thanks |
| 11:02.08 | somiaj | tomivs: getting a seg-fault, this means there is something wrong with a libary on your system most likely. |
| 11:02.40 | somiaj | tomivs: it could be you haven't fully upgraded or just found a bug in sid (not rare). First can you give the the output of 'apt-cache policy' and can you please use paste.debian.net over psatebin.com |
| 11:03.05 | tomivs | somiaj: Ok :D |
| 11:03.13 | somiaj | tomivs: it is also complaining about a /tmp file, have you rebooted since your dist-upgrade? |
| 11:03.25 | tomivs | somiaj: Yep |
| 11:03.28 | somiaj | though everything is just a warning until it segfaults. :/ |
| 11:03.40 | illy | hi i am currently experiancing a grub bug where i cant rename 08_xen_linux to 20_xen_linux , im using dpkg-divert to rename it, i get the output of |
| 11:03.43 | illy | Leaving 'local diversion of /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen to /etc/grub.d/08_linux_xen' |
| 11:04.10 | illy | which means the xen/dom0 doent boot up with the machine and |
| 11:04.15 | illy | root@ns303569:~# xm list |
| 11:04.15 | illy | ERROR: Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs! |
| 11:04.21 | illy | im using debian wheezy |
| 11:04.49 | somiaj | illy: you shouldn't need dpkg-divert to rename a config file, just rename it (should be fine). |
| 11:05.01 | somiaj | illy: why do you want to change it from 20_linux_xen to 8_linux_zen? |
| 11:05.08 | illy | somiaj: from 08 to 20 |
| 11:05.17 | somiaj | oh other way, anyways why? |
| 11:05.20 | illy | because that is the right sequence it should boot with |
| 11:05.28 | illy | according to online documentation anyway |
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| 11:06.01 | tomivs | http://paste.debian.net/162699/ >> "apt-cache policy" reply |
| 11:06.17 | somiaj | hmm, that is just the order the scripts are run and stuff is added to grub via the update-grub script. I didn't think it would effect boot order illy |
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| 11:07.04 | illy | i will try and rename it manually see if it booting up then |
| 11:07.09 | somiaj | tomivs: now the output of 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' -- just want to make sure there isn't anything that still needs to be upgraded. |
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| 11:07.16 | somiaj | illy: again changing those files won't change grub's boot order |
| 11:07.33 | somiaj | illy: it only effects the order the scripts are read when update-grub is run, (which is what generates the grub boot items). |
| 11:08.17 | illy | as read here somiaj |
| 11:08.18 | illy | https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/cant-find-hypervisor-information-in-sysfs/ |
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| 11:08.26 | petn-randall | cap3lla: $PATH is not recursive, it will only use the directories listed. |
| 11:09.09 | illy | indeed its not the boot order, but thats how i said it :P |
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| 11:09.27 | tomivs | http://paste.debian.net/162700/ >> "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" reply |
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| 11:09.33 | cap3lla | petn-randall: ok, understand. Well, I solved it like that ==> teamviewer provided a teamviewer.desktop, which I just copied into /usr/share/applications. Now when I enter "teamvi..." in the search field, I get the result and the icon displayed and when I click on that symbol teamviewer10 is launched. |
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| 11:10.38 | cap3lla | or better said, I symlinked /opt/teamviewer/teamviewer.desktop to /usr/share/applications/teamviewer.desktop :) |
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| 11:10.52 | somiaj | illy: seems to be 'strange' advise to me, changin the order the scripts are read and the grub menu is genrated really shoudln't be the proper way |
| 11:11.13 | somiaj | illy: modify /etc/default/grub and set the default to the boot item you want to boot by default. |
| 11:11.15 | cap3lla | thanks any bye |
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| 11:11.36 | illy | still doesnt seem to be working :{ |
| 11:11.52 | illy | well somiaj it is how manny books and online documentation approaches it |
| 11:11.57 | tomivs | update-grub |
| 11:11.59 | tomivs | ?? |
| 11:12.03 | illy | ofc |
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| 11:12.36 | somiaj | tomivs: well my thoughts are you have some custom gtk theme that is breaking thigns because it isn't compadable with the version in sid (but was compadable with your wheezy version) |
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| 11:13.06 | somiaj | tomivs: may need to restart/reset your config settings. One thing youc an do is make another user, see if this new user has the same problem. If not it is due to a setting for a gtk theme in your $HOME dir. |
| 11:13.52 | somiaj | illy: yea they just change the order of the scripts so the linux_xen is the first or '0' entery. To me the proper way would be modify /etc/default/grub to boot off the correct boot entry for your system by default. |
| 11:14.17 | somiaj | illy: if you manually select the correct boot entry in grub when you boot does it work just fine? |
| 11:14.49 | somiaj | illy: again all they are doing is changing the order the boot enteries appear in grub, which effects which is default. |
| 11:15.03 | illy | somiaj: not sure what u mean but when i change the 08 to 20 with dpkg or mv |
| 11:15.06 | tomivs | Ok, I will create the user |
| 11:15.07 | tomivs | brb |
| 11:15.17 | illy | it does boot/the machine/ but xen does not |
| 11:15.48 | illy | maybe because i have 2x 20_* in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 11:16.02 | somiaj | illy: when the grub screen appears doing the boot (though I guess if you are on a headless machine you don't see this) there should be a list of different boot options. Is the one you need in that list. If so you just need to make it default. |
| 11:16.18 | illy | somiaj: no physical access :{ |
| 11:16.40 | tomivs | somiaj: Everything is awesome with the another user |
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| 11:18.04 | somiaj | illy: well you could look at the actual config file update-grub generates and see the order the boot options are listed in that file, but I would look at the actual file at this point since this fix you have read about isn't working on your system. |
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| 11:18.24 | somiaj | tomivs: that means you have some config in your $HOME dir of your user messing things up. Most likely a gtk theme |
| 11:20.33 | illy | Found linux image: /boot/bzImage-3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 11:20.33 | illy | Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:20.33 | illy | Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:20.33 | illy | Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:20.33 | illy | Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 11:20.39 | tomivs | somiaj: Thx very much, i will reset/change my gtk theme |
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| 11:20.40 | illy | derp |
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| 11:21.02 | somiaj | illy: can't seem to find what the file is called now, on older grub it was grub-menu or something like that. check /boot/grub/menu.cfg or what ever file grub generates with update-grub (can't rember the name of it) |
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| 11:21.45 | somiaj | on my sid system grub2 has changed where it puts that info and I'm not easily finding it. I haven't ahd to mess with grub fora while now |
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| 11:25.03 | illy | somiaj: i dont find any *.cfg in /boot/grub/ |
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| 11:25.36 | somiaj | illy: care to give me the output of ls /boot/grub (mainly since I don't have a wheezy system to check) |
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| 11:26.02 | somiaj | illy: use paste.debian.net |
| 11:26.15 | illy | sure |
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| 11:27.18 | illy | http://paste.debian.net/162702/ |
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| 11:27.25 | illy | ty for ur time btw |
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| 11:27.51 | illy | hm, there is grub.cfg :| |
| 11:27.55 | illy | wtf (: |
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| 11:28.51 | illy | and the grub.cfg includes |
| 11:28.51 | illy | ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ### |
| 11:28.51 | illy | submenu "Xen 4.1-amd64" { |
| 11:29.07 | illy | so it should be b00ting |
| 11:29.11 | somiaj | illy: care to paste that whole file? |
| 11:29.23 | illy | derp not with pastebinit not working anymore :{ |
| 11:29.25 | somiaj | illy: it may not be the 'first' item, lets see if we can figure out what the name is. |
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| 11:29.43 | illy | since i will have to go behind multiple firewalls to upload it to something :D |
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| 11:30.03 | illy | but yeah sure i can do it |
| 11:30.12 | illy | ifu dont mind downloading it from a random host |
| 11:30.18 | somiaj | illy: I don't think there is anything sensitive in that file, but baiscally what you need to do is figure out what number (starting with 0) the item in that file you want to boot is |
| 11:30.23 | illy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.32 | illy | 00=header |
| 11:30.35 | somiaj | illy: then you can configure /etc/default/grub to boot that item by default -- see what I'm trying to do? |
| 11:30.59 | illy | i c, u want to make xen 00 |
| 11:31.23 | illy | but according to books and guides xne should be 20_ :p |
| 11:31.33 | somiaj | well what I'm doing is I don't care what order it gets added to grub.cfg, I just care what it is called and where ti is located in grub.cfg so you can configure the default to boot from it. |
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| 11:31.57 | somiaj | again the name of the file and the order grub.cfg is generatd shoudln't be an issue. The issue is configuring the correct one to be default. |
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| 11:32.16 | illy | one sec i need to move the file around abit |
| 11:32.31 | somiaj | illy: take your time |
| 11:36.05 | illy | somiaj: yeah i know the info is not sensetive its just the host im trying to get the grub.cfg form, is not allowed to access the machine with httpd :P |
| 11:36.11 | illy | 128.199.38.123/grub.cfg |
| 11:36.16 | illy | http://128.199.38.123/grub.cfg |
| 11:36.59 | illy | meh, lemme rename it to .txt |
| 11:37.01 | illy | sec & sorry |
| 11:37.07 | somiaj | illy: it is fine |
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| 11:37.24 | illy | http://128.199.38.123/grub.txt |
| 11:37.47 | illy | i have never modified any grub entries so i have no idea with what im dealing with :P |
| 11:37.57 | somiaj | illy: you don't want to modify that file |
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| 11:38.14 | illy | at this point im also thnking that the dedi i have is "protected" against modifiying boot options or so |
| 11:38.24 | somiaj | illy: notice that your Xen option is the 4th 'menuentry' |
| 11:38.34 | illy | yes |
| 11:38.43 | illy | i put it there:p |
| 11:39.01 | somiaj | illy: also notice your 06_OVHkernel -- that was what was causing your issue, 06 is before 08 so teh xen wasn't 0. But here is a better way to fix it |
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| 11:39.14 | somiaj | illy: now that you know that you want the 4th entery (so number 3 because you start at 0) |
| 11:39.15 | illy | yeah? |
| 11:39.43 | illy | i see! |
| 11:40.03 | illy | so call the file 05? |
| 11:40.04 | somiaj | illy: edit /etc/default/grub, change GRUB_DEFAULT to 3, then rerun update-grub, after that look at teh grub.cfg file again and you'll see default="3" at the top and not default="0" |
| 11:40.22 | somiaj | illy: again the order does not matter. just change the default. How many times do I have to repeate mysefl |
| 11:40.43 | somiaj | I just wish I could tell forsure that 3 will be what grub wants to call that entry. Let me look up something first |
| 11:41.56 | illy | okay, thank you |
| 11:42.23 | somiaj | illy: but did you change the default to 3 like I suggested, run update-grub and notice the change take effect? |
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| 11:43.44 | somiaj | note if you remove that extra OHV kernel or change the number of boot enteries the default one will change. Maybe this is why the pages you find prefer to just make the xen be the 0 default. But that 06 ohv kernel is what got in your way. |
| 11:43.59 | somiaj | personally I thik changing the default is better than moving the scripts around. |
| 11:44.22 | illy | somiaj: no i didnt do any changes yet |
| 11:44.33 | somiaj | Just wish tehre was a way you could print out the menu order easily without looking at the grub.cfg file |
| 11:44.34 | illy | so easy fix is to call 20_xen to be 05_xen ? |
| 11:44.49 | illy | isnt the menu order ls /etc/grub.d/ ? |
| 11:45.04 | somiaj | illy: I don't think you are listening to me. You are stuck on this one paticular thing. At this point do what you want. |
| 11:45.24 | somiaj | no /etc/grub.d is a set of scripts that generate the grub.cfg file. The grub.cfg file is the actuall boot file with the menu order. |
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| 11:45.38 | illy | sorry for not understanding how the grub works |
| 11:45.46 | somiaj | but yes making it 05 should make it the first thing in the list. But it dosen't have to be first to be default. So I think it is better to change the default, not change the order. |
| 11:46.24 | somiaj | it isn't that, it is just I have said multiple times all those scripts do is generate the .cfg file, the order it is generated shouldn't matter if you set the default correctly. |
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| 11:48.46 | somiaj | illy: just read seomething that you need your custom scripts to be > 6, so 05_linux_zen may mess with things. If you aren't using that ohv kernel, might as well jsut remove it. or change it to 07 |
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| 11:48.52 | somiaj | illy: or just set the default correctly. |
| 11:49.22 | illy | do i need to add set default only on xen? |
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| 11:50.27 | somiaj | the default is entry grub boots from unless you tell it to boot from something else |
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| 11:50.39 | Agiofws | hello |
| 11:50.50 | somiaj | i.e. you have a lot of 'menuentries' which means you have a lot of different boot options, the default is the one that gets used by umm default. |
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| 11:52.00 | Agiofws | can anyone give me any advice on how to draw or insert vector graphics into a window in linux? |
| 11:52.18 | nkuttler | Agiofws: how did you create the window? |
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| 11:52.32 | Agiofws | not even there yet nkuttler |
| 11:52.53 | nkuttler | Agiofws: well.. which languages are you familiar with? |
| 11:53.06 | Agiofws | well i'd like to do this win C |
| 11:53.07 | yei | hi |
| 11:53.40 | illy | works somiaj |
| 11:53.42 | nkuttler | Agiofws: no idea about that. you might want to ask in ##programming instead |
| 11:54.08 | illy | i didnt set default but moved the script around so the grub.cfg was updated by the "movment of the script" |
| 11:54.17 | illy | i find it easier to do |
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| 11:55.29 | somiaj | illy: yea you are really set in this one way of thinking. Best of luck. (: |
| 11:55.51 | somiaj | illy: I find it easier to change a number from 0 to 3 in a single file and not move things around and use dpkg-divert |
| 11:56.25 | illy | the big scarry letters in all caps #DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE# scared me away from doing it |
| 11:56.40 | illy | but that would hav ben my 2nd try to edit the file if this wouldnt work since i was runing out of options |
| 11:58.47 | somiaj | illy: I told you to edit the file /etc/default/grub not teh grub.cfg file |
| 11:59.05 | somiaj | again change the defaults, (: |
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| 12:03.13 | K-202 | Hi. Do I have to enable multiarchitecture in Debian 64-bit to install 64-bit Wine? I have wine64-bin package installed but it's only an information about installing 32-bit arch. |
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| 12:05.48 | somiaj | K-202: I don't think debian provides a 64bit only binary for wine. You'll have to compile it yourself and then no you won't need multiarch |
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| 12:06.27 | somiaj | K-202: look at the wine64 packages, those might do what you want. Not the 64bit wine or wine32 packge which I think are the same. |
| 12:06.44 | themill | wheezy and jessie differ on this iirc |
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| 12:19.17 | cart_man | Hey guys... Is there a way I can reinstall display drivers? |
| 12:20.33 | celexi | 3 |
| 12:20.33 | celexi | cart_man what is the reason you want to do that ? |
| 12:20.33 | celexi | and nevermind that "3 " mistype |
| 12:21.28 | cart_man | I installed my Debian in a virtual box...then used Clonezilla to clone the OS and install it onto a machine that is really primitive and weak... |
| 12:21.38 | cart_man | but now the display is all off |
| 12:21.40 | cart_man | : / |
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| 12:29.17 | aR_d | hi, I'm using debian jessie. How can I innstall one package from stable ? |
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| 12:29.58 | Deiwsots | you can to use http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 12:30.05 | Deiwsots | aR_d: |
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| 12:30.13 | aR_d | Deiwsots: hi |
| 12:30.26 | aR_d | I mean with apt or aptitude |
| 12:31.26 | Deiwsots | so dude, you need add snapshot in your sources list and run apt |
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| 12:32.04 | aR_d | Deiwsots: thank you I'm gonna take a look |
| 12:32.44 | Deiwsots | aR_d: you're welcome |
| 12:32.58 | somiaj | aR_d: usually you don't want to mix things. What one package do you want to install from stable? |
| 12:33.13 | aR_d | somiaj: hi I want to intall byobu |
| 12:33.40 | aR_d | because I have some problems with the last version |
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| 12:34.25 | somiaj | aR_d: it is usually better to compile the program from source the install a binary for another version of debian. |
| 12:34.56 | aR_d | I understand |
| 12:35.13 | somiaj | I don't know the program you mention, the binary from wheezy 'may' work, but you'll want to manually download the .deb and install it. If you cannot satisify the depends in jessie (and have to start installing stable libaries too) then you should compile it from source (or just do that first) |
| 12:35.24 | somiaj | !tell aR_d about ssb |
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| 12:35.45 | somiaj | those instructions can be modified to say compile wheezy package on jessie |
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| 12:36.09 | aR_d | somiaj: thank you :D |
| 12:36.52 | aR_d | somiaj: so first I will try to download the deb |
| 12:37.00 | aR_d | wihtout touching the sources.list |
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| 12:38.01 | aR_d | if that works, could there be any problems with the updates from jessie? |
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| 12:38.36 | aR_d | I mean if there are any update for any dependences, will they be updates ? |
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| 12:39.24 | phaer | I am trying to install jessie using debootstrap, but it fails at downloading /debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Package.gz each time. I tried ftp.[de|de2|at|us] as my mirrors but none of them works for me with debootstrap. Fetching Packages.gy with Links2 works on all of the machines |
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| 12:39.47 | phaer | Is there a checksume on packages.gz? |
| 12:40.38 | phaer | Agiofws, Take a look at libcairo |
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| 12:46.57 | somiaj | phaer: what is the host system and version of the debootstrap script? |
| 12:47.30 | somiaj | aR_d: again totally depends on the package, though you can 'hold' a package if it works so it doesn't get upgraded automatically. Then you just have to take the package and any bugs or security holes it causes. |
| 12:47.40 | phaer | somiaj: host system is grml 14.11 |
| 12:48.12 | somiaj | phaer: not that familar with it, is it a recent version of debootstrap? |
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| 12:48.45 | phaer | somiaj, one moment, i am booting :) |
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| 12:50.02 | phaer | somiaj, 1.0.64 |
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| 13:55.01 | enlightified | I am installing the cuda 7 deb package for ubuntu 14.10 on my jessie. I wanted to know if there is a place where we could talk about such stuff. |
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| 13:59.39 | Keridos | quick question: the dvd installer images have 3 files. which one is the one I should use? |
| 13:59.45 | Keridos | or do i need all of them? |
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| 14:02.59 | floris497 | hey, iâm running a verry basic version of debian on my UDOO (arm singel board computer) and the sata disk iâm booting from spins down after only ±10 seconds of no use.. how do i cange that to a few minutes? |
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| 14:04.32 | ChrisH | floris497: man hdparm |
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| 14:05.51 | floris497 | ChrisH: ah thanks, can that set spindown time that stays after a reboot? |
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| 14:05.59 | ctmjr | enlightified: try #cuda |
| 14:06.27 | floris497 | lol Unknown command 'man' |
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| 14:07.59 | jhutchins | Keridos: Not sure what you mean by three files. You might want to read the install guide. |
| 14:08.02 | jhutchins | !ig |
| 14:08.03 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
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| 14:10.27 | Keridos | thanks jhutchins, i found that i can install only with dvd 1 or cd 1 |
| 14:10.40 | Keridos | not sure if netinst works on my intel nuc |
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| 14:32.08 | rovar | I am attempting to follow the directions here: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/708/Automating_the_Debian_installer_with_PXE_and_preseeding and here: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html#preseed-auto |
| 14:32.14 | rovar | to get a hands-off preseed install |
| 14:32.30 | rovar | but both suggest that at the start of the boot menu, you manually type auto=url... |
| 14:32.47 | rovar | does anyone know of a way that I could automate that as well? |
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| 14:33.10 | rovar | e.g. I need to completely netboot install with 0 interaction |
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| 14:33.47 | rovar | so I'm trying to figure out how to pass the URL for preseed via, I guess, dnsmasq? |
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| 14:36.06 | rovar | ah. I think I've found it. I can set the auto=true and url=... in the grub.cfg in the install menu |
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| 14:37.02 | cjohnson | If I install a newer libc6 (2.19 as opposed to 2.15 which I had before), how can I downgrade to the original? I tried apt-get install --reinstall libc6 but I keep getting dependency errors where it expects a lower version than I have |
| 14:38.17 | Iridos | rovar, it seems strange that those don't mention it... I wonder if url=autoserver is the default after a timeout? |
| 14:38.45 | Iridos | or something along those lines? |
| 14:38.50 | dezza_k | update-notifier-common came with a nice script in debian 7 called apt-check. This doesn't seem to exist in debian 8 - is there an equivilent? I want to get a count of the number of security updates pending to alert admins |
| 14:39.01 | rovar | Iridos, I guess they assume some familiarity with how the boot menus are constructed. I think they should mention it :) |
| 14:39.15 | rovar | the ubuntu people mention it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/PXE-netboot-install |
| 14:39.16 | Iridos | so do I |
| 14:39.33 | Iridos | well.. "they" ... I guess one person wrote that bit |
| 14:39.34 | bazhang | pastebin sources.list cjohnson |
| 14:39.45 | Iridos | dpkg, preseeding |
| 14:39.45 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 14:40.33 | cjohnson | bazhang: this is actually on ubuntu but #ubuntu is kinda useless for these sorts of questions. I didn't modify my sources.list, I just downloaded the upgraded libc6 package and used dpkg -i to install it (bad I know) |
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| 14:40.34 | Iridos | rovar, did you check the wiki? If you are missing anything... it's not hard to create a wiki account and add all the bits you found missing/incomprehensible |
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| 14:40.58 | bazhang | !ubuntu |
| 14:40.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 14:41.05 | bazhang | cjohnson, ^ |
| 14:41.09 | cjohnson | like I said, aware |
| 14:41.17 | cjohnson | I'm just asking a general apt question |
| 14:41.36 | bazhang | total reinstall, whatever the distro |
| 14:42.00 | cjohnson | only problem there is a lot of packages depend on libc6 |
| 14:42.04 | cjohnson | can I reinstall without interrupting those? |
| 14:42.06 | bazhang | you *never* mess with libc6 |
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| 14:42.27 | cjohnson | lesson learned :P but what can I do for now? |
| 14:42.28 | Iridos | rovar, I guess the "hands-off" link on the wiki has what you needed |
| 14:42.42 | bazhang | back up everything, reinstall |
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| 14:43.07 | cjohnson | so there's no way to remove and install bypassing the dependency checking bit temporarily? |
| 14:43.47 | rovar | Iridos, eh.. I couldn't really comprehend much of that |
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| 14:47.35 | rovar | setting auto=true and url=... in the grub config didn't actually do anything also. I need some way to default to that, which likely means I'll need to hack on the menus a bit more |
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| 14:48.54 | Iridos | rovar, this should be a common problem? I have a hard time imagining that nobody wants a completely unattended install |
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| 14:51.09 | cjohnson | bazhang: ok, I downloaded the packages and installed them inline with dpkg -i, the original versions. that worked |
| 14:51.17 | cjohnson | backup and reinstall was complete overkill |
| 14:51.45 | cjohnson | so keep that in mind if you didn't already know ;) thanks for your help! |
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| 14:53.46 | nezZario | I'm not sure what piece of software is at fault here. But this is really annoying. For some reason my audio is always muted on boot. |
| 14:53.55 | nezZario | Anybody know where I could begin with that? |
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| 14:54.16 | rovar | Iridos, this is so far the best explanation: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-loading however it the install still defaults to the graphical installer menu and sits indefinitely |
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| 15:05.41 | rovar | ok.. so in syslinux.cfg, setting the timeout to 1 (from 0) and the default install in txt.cfg needs to have the auto and url boot params. |
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| 15:33.14 | mortal1 | howdy folks, if I wanted my power button to run a script that did an update before it shut the computer down, is there a way to do that, that wouldn't prompt for a password? |
| 15:33.53 | Deiwsots | when i use mozilla team repositories at jessie my system breaks some packets because it is using the repositories unstable/experimental as required here 'http://mozilla.debian.net/' |
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| 15:37.33 | Deiwsots | is it safe using mozilla debian team? |
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| 15:39.54 | SynrG | Deiwsots: if you've pinned properly, that should normally not happen |
| 15:40.00 | SynrG | !tum |
| 15:40.01 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
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| 15:51.15 | ksk | hey folks. do I get this right I cannot send a bugreport from "mail@mydomain.com"? I really like debian, but sometimes you are so 1980 :/ |
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| 15:53.14 | centrx | ksk, Why can't you? |
| 15:53.49 | paddy| | weird. on a brand new install of jessie the shockwave flash plugin crashes all the time |
| 15:54.46 | paddy| | it only saw the youtube frontpage, google and facebook yet |
| 15:55.38 | paddy| | and when i tell it to reload the plugin it crashes it again |
| 15:56.05 | centrx | How did you install it? Do you really need buggy insecure Flash? |
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| 15:59.13 | paddy| | centrx: the common way via apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:59.31 | paddy| | and yes, i need flash |
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| 15:59.52 | centrx | Are you using chromium? |
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| 15:59.56 | sydney_untangle | Pepper flash only works with Chromium/googel chrome. |
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| 16:00.00 | sydney_untangle | google chrome* |
| 16:00.03 | LeelooGirlOnline | debian has that package? |
| 16:00.14 | LeelooGirlOnline | from official repo? |
| 16:00.16 | sydney_untangle | Firefox only supports Flash. |
| 16:00.23 | paddy| | yes i use it in chromium |
| 16:00.26 | sydney_untangle | LeelooGirlOnline: Chromium is in repo. |
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| 16:00.40 | sydney_untangle | sud oapt-get install chromium |
| 16:00.42 | LeelooGirlOnline | but pepper flash? |
| 16:00.43 | sydney_untangle | apt* |
| 16:00.51 | paddy| | yes, its in non-free |
| 16:01.00 | sydney_untangle | pepper flash is in non-free repos also. |
| 16:01.15 | LeelooGirlOnline | wow.. |
| 16:01.27 | sydney_untangle | I use it all the time. |
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| 16:01.44 | LeelooGirlOnline | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.46 | paddy| | me too. and it never failed me so far except now after the install |
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| 16:03.21 | LeelooGirlOnline | I don't use flash in Linux |
| 16:04.08 | paddy| | there are several websites which i visit that offer their content wrapped in flash |
| 16:04.15 | LeelooGirlOnline | :-) feels not safe ... and they don't upgrade flash any more.. |
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| 16:04.53 | rovar | does anyone know what the recommended repo settings for jessie/testing are? I am trying to create a preseed and it keeps failing, saying mirror doesn't support that release |
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| 16:04.57 | ksk | centrx: I did not recieve any confirmation, and a localized debian wiki tells me I cannot use addresses which match "FROM_DAEMON" from procmail - I dont really understand that manpage, but the wiki gives an example "mail@foobar.com" |
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| 16:05.16 | LeelooGirlOnline | me too. that is why has a windows 7 virtual machine |
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| 16:05.55 | paddy| | browsing in a virtal machine is no option for me |
| 16:06.22 | LeelooGirlOnline | may I ask why? |
| 16:06.39 | pipl | rovar: try googling debian wiki repo jessie. it's a quite common question. |
| 16:06.43 | paddy| | because is inconvenient and more resource intensive |
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| 16:07.51 | LeelooGirlOnline | it is inconvenient ...yes... :-( but it is the only solution for me |
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| 16:09.35 | rovar | pipl, according to: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList and this: https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/example-preseed.txt I am doing it correctly, but it still fails. |
| 16:09.53 | chairmanmao | Hello, I want to auto mount to USB and write to usb through gnome 3 w/ Debian Jessie. I can see the USB but it won't let me write or create a folder.. Can anyone help me out? |
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| 16:11.38 | ChrisH | chairmanmao: reason for not beeing allowed to write should be: mounted as root and not $USER. Solution: I have none. |
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| 16:13.37 | LeelooGirlOnline | run chown as root |
| 16:14.08 | chairmanmao | !automount |
| 16:14.08 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <kde automount>, <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usbmount>, <pmount> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 16:14.37 | ChrisH | LeelooGirlOnline: assuming there is FAT on the Stick, the chmod will not work. |
| 16:14.44 | chairmanmao | !usbmount |
| 16:14.44 | dpkg | usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed. See also <pmount>. |
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| 16:15.43 | LeelooGirlOnline | well then I don't know what to do |
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| 16:16.10 | LeelooGirlOnline | you should mount it as a user not root |
| 16:16.47 | chairmanmao | brb |
| 16:16.50 | chairmanmao | thanks |
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| 16:19.13 | Asm0dean | hello |
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| 16:24.28 | Bobby__ | Hello. Is there an option of apt-get that install a list of package even if one of them is not installable on the system ? example : apt-get -y install A B C, that would install B and C even if A is not installable on the system |
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| 16:26.21 | dondelelcaro | Bobby__: apt-get install A; apt-get install B; apt-get install C;. |
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| 16:26.56 | dondelelcaro | or use set-selections in aptitude, or similar, and install at the end |
| 16:27.33 | Bobby__ | dondelelcaro: there is no way to install it in a one command with apt-get install ? |
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| 16:29.20 | jelly | Bobby__: a single apt command really wants to end with a consistent state |
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| 16:30.09 | pipl | Bobby__: you can install deb pkgs manually with dpkg and do the dependencies calculation yourself. |
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| 16:32.26 | Bobby__ | jelly: pipl: actually, i am not asking different ways for doing it, just if it is possible with apt-get. If I understand you well there is no way |
| 16:32.33 | juliofreitas | Hi! Which is the best torrent tool for Wheezy? |
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| 16:34.41 | rom1v | hi |
| 16:34.42 | centrx | !BEST |
| 16:34.42 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:35.16 | pipl | !torrent |
| 16:35.16 | dpkg | BitTorrent is a peer-to-peer (P2P) file distribution protocol. 'bittorrent' is also the name of the original BitTorrent client. Other clients include <aria2>, <azureus>, <bittornado>, <deluge>, <ktorrent>, <lftp>, <mldonkey>, <rtorrent> and <transmission>. To download Debian <stable> CD/DVD images via BitTorrent, see http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ . #bittorrent on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:35.24 | juliofreitas | !best torrent |
| 16:35.28 | juliofreitas | !torrent |
| 16:35.28 | dpkg | BitTorrent is a peer-to-peer (P2P) file distribution protocol. 'bittorrent' is also the name of the original BitTorrent client. Other clients include <aria2>, <azureus>, <bittornado>, <deluge>, <ktorrent>, <lftp>, <mldonkey>, <rtorrent> and <transmission>. To download Debian <stable> CD/DVD images via BitTorrent, see http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ . #bittorrent on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:35.54 | baum | !best browser |
| 16:36.01 | juliofreitas | cheers! |
| 16:36.04 | baum | =P |
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| 16:36.14 | baum | !ranger |
| 16:36.32 | jelly | juliofreitas: meh, use transmission and if it's not good enough come back telling us what you're missing |
| 16:36.33 | baum | thinks dpkg doesn't like him...=/ |
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| 16:36.50 | jelly | baum: please ask it stuff in private, /msg dpkg stuff |
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| 16:36.55 | rom1v | In firefox/iceweasel, is it normal that DigiNotar (which does not appear in CA list) is added in "Servers" tab for "*": http://tmp.rom1v.com/cert.png ? |
| 16:36.56 | baum | juliofreitas: try rTorrent, it's quite nice |
| 16:37.11 | juliofreitas | jelly, baum ok! Thank you! |
| 16:37.26 | baum | jelly: will do, sorry :) |
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| 16:46.17 | yuiz | hey guys, i was in this irc last week looking for some help and guidance in downloading debian 6.0.10 (squeeze) 32 bit |
| 16:47.02 | yuiz | for some reason the install keeps corrupting |
| 16:47.24 | yuiz | ive tried it on several different laptops/desktops/ and different connections as well |
| 16:47.41 | yuiz | by different internet provider |
| 16:48.02 | yuiz | friend is having issues downloading the iso from the site... so i tried the netinst |
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| 16:48.04 | mtn | yuiz: how are you making your install disk? |
| 16:48.17 | yuiz | im using VMware |
| 16:48.27 | yuiz | WMware workstation |
| 16:49.08 | yuiz | ive also tried using different web browsers and nothing seems to be working |
| 16:49.11 | mtn | yuiz: that is an important point ;) I think it is likely a vmware problem, not debian |
| 16:49.42 | yuiz | i would have to disagree with that being as when i check the integrity |
| 16:50.01 | yuiz | and the size of the ISO is never what it should be |
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| 16:50.23 | mtn | yuiz: another important point you did not mention. good luck with your problem |
| 16:50.53 | yuiz | any suggestions? |
| 16:51.09 | yuiz | or would anyone be willing to try to download the iso themselves? |
| 16:51.18 | yuiz | to verfiy... |
| 16:51.33 | yuiz | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 16:52.21 | yuiz | im assuming that the downloads arent getting completed because of debian's servers |
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| 16:55.06 | paddy| | how stupid of me. i did not see that the installed complained about a PGP error when attempting to install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 16:55.22 | paddy| | do i still file a bug against the debian package? |
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| 16:56.22 | pipl | that error is often on users, not on debian. |
| 16:56.40 | paddy| | a GPG error on a new install? |
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| 16:56.51 | paddy| | what could i have done wrong? |
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| 16:59.12 | yuiz | would someone be willing to download the iso or netinstall for 32 bit Debian 6.0.10 |
| 16:59.21 | pipl | you can check who signed that package and if that is a debian maintainer. |
| 16:59.23 | yuiz | for verification |
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| 17:00.39 | pipl | paddy|: i guess so because non-free section is the place that gets least care from debian. |
| 17:00.48 | Jeeves_Moss | what is the best DVR software that I can load on my R-Pi? I currently have one with the camera module strapped to my window. I'd like something with a web page to view live video, and to do motion capture to the 16Gb SD card on-board |
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| 17:01.08 | paddy| | pipl: a third trial installed it and it works now. this is really weird |
| 17:01.22 | valdyn | Jeeves_Moss: openelec |
| 17:01.26 | doebi | how can i use my dslr as webcam/ use it to shoot pictures directly to the pc? dls is a canon 500d. os: debian jessie |
| 17:01.54 | yuiz | Tvheadend @Jeeves |
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| 17:04.08 | doebi | are there some remote control / live view applications for canons? |
| 17:04.48 | Jeeves_Moss | valdyn, thanks. ill have a look. |
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| 17:05.20 | paddy| | hugs #debian |
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| 17:05.26 | valdyn | Jeeves_Moss: i dont know that your rpi even has a video in though |
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| 17:05.49 | valdyn | Jeeves_Moss: or, how do you solve that part? |
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| 17:06.42 | valdyn | Jeeves_Moss: err, nevermind, youre about that camera module.... |
| 17:06.48 | valdyn | Jeeves_Moss: i thought this was about tv |
| 17:07.11 | Jeeves_Moss | valdyn, yea. I was just looking this up. I'm looking for a security camera soulition |
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| 17:07.58 | Jeeves_Moss | valdyn, naaa, I've got a good setup for that already! |
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| 17:11.15 | teraflop | Jeeves_Moss: openelec has a fine tunned tvheadend version that runs very well |
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| 17:11.48 | Keridos | hm anyone else here having troubles with installing debian on an intel nuc with the ethernet? |
| 17:11.58 | floris497 | my sudo timeout is not working.. how do i fix it? it is set to 2min in the sudoers file |
| 17:12.09 | valdyn | !tell Keridos -about ask |
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| 17:12.13 | floris497 | *iâm accesing my machine over ssh |
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| 17:12.48 | Keridos | neither the netinst nor the installation dvd seem to recognize the intel ethernet card on my dn2820fyhk |
| 17:12.56 | Keridos | valdyn: i did not ask to ask??????? |
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| 17:13.24 | valdyn | Keridos: of course not, no one said that |
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| 17:14.02 | Keridos | I am fairly used to using irc to find help and provide help, i just usually hang out in the gentoo channel, but I do not want gentoo on my intel nuc |
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| 17:14.33 | valdyn | Keridos: try the jessie installer |
| 17:14.36 | greycat | Are you able to get far enough to run "lspci -nn" to see what the NIC actually is? |
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| 17:19.59 | Iridos | I guess there's nothing like bash -x for python |
| 17:20.27 | greycat | The #python channel might know. |
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| 17:21.39 | jelly | pdb |
| 17:22.03 | jelly | not as simple as bash -x, not as easy as perl -d, but... |
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| 17:24.01 | Iridos | what is it |
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| 17:25.20 | Iridos | pydb? |
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| 17:26.23 | Skaag | .. ;-) |
| 17:26.27 | Skaag | anyone here in Houston, TX, and wants to help with a linux system that went offline? (very simple fix), this is a paying job... msg me if interested. I'm in California and I don't want to fly to Houston just to erase one file from a remote system... :) |
| 17:26.55 | Skaag | (specifically, the persistent net rules in /etc/udev.d/rules/) |
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| 17:32.53 | Keridos | valdyn: ah yeah i noticed the netinst image complains about rtl_nic missing firmware |
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| 17:33.57 | Keridos | valdyn: any chance that might be included in the cd or dvd image? |
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| 17:36.05 | sadsagfjg | hi all. i have a question. i want to write a program to find below |
| 17:36.13 | sadsagfjg | we have a some numbers, we have to divide this numbers into two group which difference between these two groups be minimum. for example if n=3, we have three numbers, for example: 4,5,10. for this example, answer is 4,5__10 because 4+5=9 (first group) and second group is 10. and difference between them are 10-9=1 ...now, I have to write a program w |
| 17:36.13 | sadsagfjg | ith C++ language for this job. is there any body help me. thanks alot. best regards |
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| 17:37.16 | greycat | sounds like homework |
| 17:37.25 | mtn | Keridos: maybe this would help. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 17:39.51 | Iridos | sounds a lot like homework |
| 17:39.54 | greycat | (Also I have no idea why anyone would write that in C++. It's not a task that would benefit from object orientedness in any way.) |
| 17:40.34 | Keridos | mtn, thanks, gonna download it to an usb stick |
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| 17:41.46 | sadsagfjg | Iridos,greycat: exactly. this is a home work. but i need some help. |
| 17:42.13 | greycat | If you *have* to write it in C++, then I guess ##c++ is the right place to ask, unless their policies forbid homework questions. |
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| 17:42.57 | sadsagfjg | i do not want get exactly answer. just some help, i need. |
| 17:43.25 | greycat | Is "n=3" a fixed value, or does your code have to adapt to different n? |
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| 17:46.19 | Iridos | now if there was a package homework-c++-examples, I'd have a #debian answer to this... |
| 17:46.29 | Keridos | mtn: do i just have to put the .deb files from the firmware tar gz on a usb stick ?? |
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| 17:46.59 | mtn | Keridos: not going to try the link I gave you? |
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| 17:47.39 | Keridos | i did |
| 17:47.50 | Keridos | there is a tar.gz with a bunch of *.deb files |
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| 17:49.13 | mtn | Keridos: the link I sent you should show you a list of iso files which include firmware. |
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| 17:49.41 | mtn | Keridos: just download the appropriate iso file |
| 17:49.44 | Keridos | ah no it had the tar.gz |
| 17:49.50 | Keridos | ah nevermind |
| 17:50.35 | mtn | Keridos: that link gives problems sometimes, try this. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 17:50.44 | mtn | Keridos: you can get 7.8 or jessie |
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| 17:51.08 | Keridos | ok thanks mtn, gonna go stable |
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| 17:52.15 | stack | hello, I would like to rebuild nginx with an external module, is there a standard way to do that starting from a debian package source? or should only modify debian/{rules,control} and add what I need there? |
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| 17:55.29 | jhutchins | stack: See the _second_ message from dpkg. |
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| 17:56.14 | stack | jhutchins: ok thanks |
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| 17:57.09 | stack | even if that wasn't what I was looking for :) |
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| 18:24.17 | stack | another question, is that possible to get something like git.debian.org:/git/collab-maint/nginx.git without an account? that server asks for auth |
| 18:26.08 | ksk | stack: do you know github? they offer "free" public repos |
| 18:26.08 | somiaj | stack: you'll have to ask the manager of that git server if guest access is allowed or not. If it is not you may need to get an account. |
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| 18:27.34 | stack | somiaj: do you know if those repos are published somewhere else? |
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| 18:29.01 | stack | what I want is what apt-get source packagename pulls down, but in terms of a git package, in order to maintain a patch on top of that repo |
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| 18:30.35 | somiaj | stack: not really, I don't use git that often. Are y ou trying to build a patch against a version not in debian yet? |
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| 18:32.56 | stack | somiaj: no just modify the configure of a debian package, same upstream version |
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| 18:34.45 | NuevoEnEsto | hi |
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| 18:35.21 | somiaj | stack: and getting the source from the debian mirrors with a deb-src line isn't good enough for that? Then use quilt and submit your patch via the bugtracker (if you are wanting to submit the patch)? I guess I don't see why you need to get it off the git server. |
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| 18:36.45 | NuevoEnEsto | quien habla español? |
| 18:36.54 | greycat | !es |
| 18:36.55 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 18:37.45 | stack | somiaj: that was to keep track of the debian package upgrades, with a patch that I will never submit upstream (to debian) |
| 18:38.26 | NuevoEnEsto | thank you |
| 18:38.56 | somiaj | stack: you can contact the server admin for that git server and see the actual details. But if you are trying to keep up with changes and patches with testing/unstable it will be work either way. |
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| 18:39.51 | atlasloewenherz | hi everyone! anyone here have an idea where to check if my machine does not get its network devices (eth0 and a bridge) activated at boot time these are my logs and my network configs: https://gist.github.com/atlasloewenherz/1d887ea54c16536df055 |
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| 18:45.44 | cognitios | Trying to install debian with a USB, downloaded the iso given here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso then I put it on my USB and set my boot operation to have USB boot first. When I booted it didn't work, just a black screen with a single white dash blinking in the top left of my screen. |
| 18:45.52 | cognitios | What did I do wrong and how do I fix it? |
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| 18:46.31 | somiaj | cognitios: 'how' did you put that iso on your usb? |
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| 18:47.22 | cognitios | I used the GUI File Manager and dragged the .iso from downloads that I got directly from that link and placed it into the flashdrive |
| 18:47.32 | cognitios | direct from dld to flashdrive |
| 18:47.50 | somiaj | cognitios: you put the iso on your flashdrive filesystem, you didn't image your flash drive with it |
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| 18:47.57 | somiaj | cognitios: what os are you making the usb from? |
| 18:48.01 | cognitios | Ubuntu |
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| 18:48.17 | somiaj | cognitios: do you know what drive is your flash drive? /dev/sdc? /dev/sdd? |
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| 18:48.37 | cognitios | no, how do I find out? |
| 18:49.03 | somiaj | After you plug it in run 'dmesg | tail', it shoudl tell you what it assigned it to in the last few lines of output |
| 18:49.04 | Shadow_7 | blinky is something missing. Did you disable secure boot and enable CSM / legacy? |
| 18:49.27 | somiaj | Shadow_7: seems like he just put the .iso on the file system on the usb, so it won't boot no matter what settings he has. |
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| 18:50.04 | greycat | he also needs to make sure Ubuntu doesn't mount the USB stick, before he images it (or he has to unmount it) |
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| 18:50.24 | somiaj | greycat: good point. (: |
| 18:50.30 | cognitios | I ran the command you gave me on the command line |
| 18:50.38 | greycat | was reminded by reading https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 |
| 18:51.10 | cognitios | but it's not saying anything other than "[ 1170.707838] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk" |
| 18:51.13 | somiaj | cognitios: did you unplug and replug in your flash drive just before you did that? |
| 18:51.17 | greycat | cognitios: perfect :) |
| 18:51.28 | cognitios | yeah |
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| 18:51.39 | cognitios | last message was the one I just posted |
| 18:51.40 | greycat | so your USB device is /dev/sdb |
| 18:51.41 | somiaj | cognitios: run 'mount' make sure you don't see /dev/sdb mounted anywhere. |
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| 18:52.09 | somiaj | cognitios: once you are sure it is not mounted anywhere run 'cp debian_image.iso /dev/sdb' and wait. This will destory all data on /dev/sdb. |
| 18:52.10 | cognitios | i see /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:52.25 | somiaj | cognitios: you want to umount that first with teh 'umount /path/to/mount/point' |
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| 18:52.35 | greycat | don't unmount /dev/sda1 |
| 18:53.11 | cognitios | it says mount is not mounted |
| 18:53.21 | cognitios | or /path/to/mount/point |
| 18:53.25 | cognitios | is not mounted |
| 18:53.53 | somiaj | cognitios: that is becaue you have to replace it with whatever the mountpoint is on your system. It should have been printed in the output of 'mount' |
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| 18:54.22 | greycat | try "mount | grep sdb" |
| 18:54.36 | greycat | if it produces no output, then your USB device is not mounted, and you can procreed to the cp command |
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| 18:54.49 | cognitios | /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:54.55 | greycat | umount /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:55.07 | cognitios | okay |
| 18:55.11 | cognitios | now it should work? |
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| 18:55.21 | greycat | now it should be OK to do the cp |
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| 18:56.16 | cognitios | sorry, i don't know what cp stands for :( |
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| 18:56.33 | greycat | cp is the command to copy files |
| 18:56.36 | somiaj | cognitios: it was the copy command I gave you earlier |
| 18:56.40 | greycat | cp your_image.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 18:56.51 | mtn | cognitios: a howto: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 18:57.03 | cognitios | okay yeah ik what that is, for some reason child porn was what I thought you were refering to |
| 18:57.09 | mtn | cognitios: it was already mentioned, thought you might need it again |
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| 18:57.30 | jelly | cognitios: paging Dr. Freud |
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| 18:58.03 | mtn | heh |
| 18:58.08 | cognitios | kek |
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| 19:00.55 | cognitios | i want to be in my flash drive when I do that right? |
| 19:01.25 | greycat | No. You want to be in the directory where the .iso file is. |
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| 19:01.45 | cognitios | okay, so I do that in the downloads |
| 19:01.45 | balleyne | I've getting php5-fpm segfaults after running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade this morning. Suggestions for troubleshooting? Is there a way to roll back the package to the previous version with apt/aptitude? |
| 19:01.48 | greycat | Your flash drive is unmounted, so you can't be "in" it at all. |
| 19:02.03 | cognitios | that's what i was wondering, i couldn't find the flashdrive |
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| 19:03.03 | cognitios | okay, now I should be able to boot? |
| 19:03.21 | greycat | Hopefull! |
| 19:03.33 | cognitios | Thanks guys, the linux community truly is the best |
| 19:03.46 | valdyn | balleyne: its unsupported so uh, may break in some cases, but you can "apt-get install <packagename>=<version>" |
| 19:04.04 | balleyne | valdyn, thanks |
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| 19:05.26 | cognitios | are you using? |
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| 19:05.29 | jelly | !tell root11 about install mysql |
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| 19:15.05 | tomivs | Hi, my gtk theme is not working. How to reset my GNOME gtk theme to default? |
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| 19:43.31 | gho | Hi - I've got a super bizaire problem - any one able to help? only suitable is img pastebin: http://snag.gy/guegK.jpg |
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| 19:47.03 | jelly | gho: you seem to have some git helpers enabled in your shell that are getting mighty confused |
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| 19:47.37 | jelly | gho: also, /dev/null is not supposed to be a regular file. |
| 19:49.12 | jelly | gho: how did you install Debian and which release is it supposed to be? |
| 19:50.20 | Iridos | pressing questions indeed ... and all out of a hideous jpeg |
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| 19:50.49 | Iridos | jelly, looks like someone tried to put /dev under revision control |
| 19:50.59 | Iridos | somehow |
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| 19:51.03 | gho | jelly, fixed now thanks :-) |
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| 19:52.01 | Iridos | oh, no, looks like someone deleted /dev/null... and then some cron-job or whatever running as root recreated it as a normal file |
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| 19:52.56 | gho | Iridos, you're right |
| 19:53.13 | gho | Iridos, shell zshrc script was recreating it, puzzled where null went in first place |
| 19:53.14 | Iridos | \o/ |
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| 19:54.33 | jelly | gho: did you mknod or MAKEDEV it back or what? |
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| 19:55.19 | gho | jelly, yes the problem was as soon as I deleted it it was recreated so couldn't mknod it, then just ran rm and mknod on same cmdline and it did it |
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| 19:56.20 | jelly | public notice: zsh isn't that crazy by default |
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| 19:56.37 | shay_shay | zsh is slightly crazy by default |
| 19:56.39 | gho | grml |
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| 19:57.39 | shay_shay | i just steal the zsh config from the archlinux install isos and call it good |
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| 19:58.17 | Iridos | because arch is als slightly crazy and so you got a matching set? |
| 19:58.34 | jelly | gho: -> #grml |
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| 19:58.36 | Iridos | strike that... we can continue that line of thought in #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:59.08 | jelly | gho: if that happens by default it IS a bug and they will fix it |
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| 19:59.49 | gho | all I did was git clone a vim plugin |
| 19:59.55 | gho | never had it happen before though |
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| 20:00.16 | jelly | but maybe your "grml" was an onomatopoeia and not a reference to where you got your zsh config from |
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| 20:00.59 | gho | I just got it from their site |
| 20:01.07 | gho | barely modified except some aliases |
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| 20:12.05 | kodapa | hello |
| 20:12.26 | kodapa | I am trying to convert a system with single disk luks+lvm to software raid1+luks+lvm |
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| 20:12.54 | kodapa | I've successfully created everything on the new drive and copied the data, however I am unable to get grub to open the luks drive |
| 20:13.20 | kodapa | grub seems to start looking for the VG before opening the luks drive and fails |
| 20:13.44 | doebi | oh i just realized. i am unbanned :D |
| 20:13.48 | kodapa | any ideas to point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:17.57 | jhutchins | kodapa: Back up your data, reconfigure your storage and restore. |
| 20:18.18 | jelly | kodapa: I leave /boot unencrypted and out of LVM |
| 20:18.28 | kodapa | I have /boot unencrypted |
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| 20:19.04 | kodapa | I am able to open the luks drive, scan for the pv/vg/lvs, mount everything and chroot into the install in busybox |
| 20:19.15 | kodapa | just trying to figure out how to get grub to open the luks drive before looking for the vg |
| 20:19.38 | jelly | kodapa: um... so the grub works? |
| 20:19.43 | jelly | then* |
| 20:20.01 | jelly | !debug initramfs |
| 20:20.01 | dpkg | initramfsdebug is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 20:20.18 | kodapa | oh yeah, sorry s/grub/initramfs/ =) |
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| 20:21.30 | jelly | kodapa: is /etc/crypttab up to date? |
| 20:21.38 | weezelding | hi, i couldn't find an answer to the following question: running beaglbone black and wheezy. apparently i cannot upgrade kernel directly with apt-get and need to perform reflash to perform the upgrade? |
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| 20:22.46 | jelly | weezelding: each ARM board has their own way of booting, often a custom uboot, often requiring a custom kernel |
| 20:23.01 | weezelding | jelly: yes, that's what i thought :( |
| 20:23.08 | jelly | this is not PC land! |
| 20:23.11 | jelly | !arm |
| 20:23.11 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:23.20 | weezelding | jelly: yes, noted that :) |
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| 20:23.41 | jelly | weezelding: find a community based around that exact board, or at least around the ARM SoC on it |
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| 20:25.04 | kodapa | jelly: yes. however I noticed that I had quotes in UUID="dfjif", can that cause trouble? |
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| 20:27.32 | jelly | weezelding: maybe you'll find something if you ask Freenode's channel search bot: "/msg alis list *beagle*board*", or "/msg alis list *-ti", dunno |
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| 20:28.58 | jelly | kodapa: I don't know that syntax enough, but the manual does not mention UUID with quotes explicitely |
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| 20:29.20 | jelly | kodapa: I use /dev/disk/by-id/ata-OCZ-VERTEX3_OCZ-serialnumberhere-part2 |
| 20:29.51 | jelly | obviously no raid1 in place here |
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| 20:30.39 | weezelding | actually, the inital problem i have is this http://sprunge.us/cbaM |
| 20:30.41 | jelly | kodapa: is the relevant /dev/md??? brought up automatically in initramfs? |
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| 20:30.55 | kodapa | jelly: yes |
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| 20:31.43 | weezelding | since i wanted to test a temperature sensor, followed this (attached pins etc. shown in there) http://www.hobrasoft.cz/en/blog/bravenec/beaglebone-black-ds1820 |
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| 20:33.48 | weezelding | tl;dr: capemgr can't parse gpios properly |
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| 20:35.37 | jelly | weezelding: I'd be surprised if you managed to find a point in time when someone, anyone in this channel had a clue what you were talking about |
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| 20:36.34 | jelly | weezelding: try #beagle |
| 20:36.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | the manager of capes is having trouble parsing generally programmable input/output pins properly. |
| 20:36.53 | weezelding | jelly: thanks, will try |
| 20:37.17 | jelly | !slap NoImNotNineVolt |
| 20:37.17 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across NoImNotNineVolt's face |
| 20:37.28 | jelly | NO CAPES |
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| 20:37.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | you've just earned the ire of superheroes the world over. |
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| 20:38.18 | weezelding | NoImNotNineVolt: yes, that's obvious |
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| 20:38.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not sure what gpio has to do with capes, though. are you building an electronic superhero costume? |
| 20:39.50 | greycat | I figured the capemgr is that person who takes your coat at a party, and doesn't give it back until you present the little numbered ticket. |
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| 20:46.04 | YamakasY | !moo |
| 20:46.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 20:46.27 | kodapa | jelly: got it working now.. replaced UUID="dsfdsf" with /dev/md1 in crypttab and added dmcrypt and lvm2 to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 20:46.53 | kodapa | jelly: and obviosly ran update-initramfs and update-grub =) |
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| 20:47.49 | weezelding | jelly: thanks jelly for the #beagle tip |
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| 20:51.15 | jelly | kodapa: not sure why they'd be missing in the first place, but hey |
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| 20:52.55 | kodapa | jelly: yeah very strange. anyways it's working now, so mission accomplished. Thanks for the help =) |
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| 20:55.46 | jelly | YamakasY: I've seen you did that to copy/paste to ##networking, so /msg the bot next time and thanks in advance |
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| 21:05.07 | YamakasY | jelly: yeah I needed it there :D |
| 21:05.14 | YamakasY | jelly: we need to moo there more! |
| 21:05.45 | YamakasY | jelly: it's good for this channel also |
| 21:05.51 | jelly | No. You are hereby forbidden to moove that to other channels. |
| 21:05.59 | jelly | :-P |
| 21:06.16 | YamakasY | jelly: haha, no they like it and I tell them to go here ;) |
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| 21:06.39 | YamakasY | ok, I will make it !mooo |
| 21:07.23 | jelly | cats seem to be the norm there |
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| 21:08.29 | YamakasY | yes, I want to make cats moo! |
| 21:08.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | easier to make cows meow. cowsay. |
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| 21:08.59 | YamakasY | hehe |
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| 21:09.16 | YamakasY | I live @ a farm I will ask the cows next to my bedrom |
| 21:10.05 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: but you can pipe cowsay to lolcat! |
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| 21:37.05 | LordDeath | how can I find out why package X is not in jessie anymore? |
| 21:37.12 | LordDeath | for example this one: https://packages.debian.org/de/sid/calendarserver |
| 21:38.09 | jhutchins | LordDeath: I think there's a way to ask the bots, but I never remember the syntax. |
| 21:38.19 | rww | click "Developer Information (PTS)" on the right side of that page, read the News section |
| 21:38.38 | LordDeath | thx |
| 21:39.24 | rww | although in this case, the hint doesn't seem useful :\ |
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| 21:42.25 | LordDeath | seems like that bugs had a bad timing: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=calendarserver&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
| 21:42.43 | LordDeath | and then the freeze happened |
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| 21:46.11 | Keridos | oh man unpacking the new kernel in dpkg is really really slow on my intel nuc on a usb drive, is that normal? |
| 21:46.34 | Keridos | its unpacking the kernel since almost 15 minutes now |
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| 21:56.52 | umbra_purus | Hey. Can someone explain me how graphical interface works in linux? I've tried to install bspwm but it's not working |
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| 21:58.07 | umbra_purus | Hey. Can someone explain me how graphical interface works in linux? I've tried to install bspwm but it's not working |
| 21:58.15 | ocmsRzr | hi, I just installed debian jessie on my laptop and my wifi won't work. The wired thing is that lspci and lsusb don't show it listed. All I see is the ethernet adapter. I've installed the realtek firmware that I was prompted for during the install, but it hasn't helped. |
| 21:59.04 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: is that a window manager? |
| 21:59.16 | umbra_purus | ocmsRzr: yes it is |
| 21:59.47 | ocmsRzr | are you curious about how to get it going or how to use it? |
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| 21:59.54 | ocmsRzr | you question was kind of vague |
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| 22:00.52 | umbra_purus | ocmsRzr: Well I know that to use a graphical interface I need an windows manager. I'm trying to do the two. But somehow I can't execute the windows manager |
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| 22:01.40 | umbra_purus | I've asked in bspwm if they could explain me how GUI works in linux so I could better grasp it's funcionality to better understand how to make it work.. but no success |
| 22:01.41 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: the graphical interface is what you interact with, so you've used one if you've used gnome or kde before |
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| 22:02.34 | umbra_purus | Yes I know what gi is but i don't know how they work in linux. Why do i need a windows manager. why not install immediatily cinnamon or elementary |
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| 22:02.55 | ocmsRzr | a desktop environment usually refers to a collection of software that makes interacting with the computer easier, it can include things like a menu bar, a notification area, and a settings manager to set things like the background or manage printers |
| 22:03.22 | ocmsRzr | a component of this is a program that manages windows for you |
| 22:03.42 | ocmsRzr | in traditional desktops it handles things like clicking and dragging the window or resizing |
| 22:03.44 | Keridos | wow the kernel unpack runs since about 30 minutes now, that is not normal, is it? |
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| 22:04.35 | umbra_purus | Well I wanted to learn how to create my own desktop environment. When i say this I'm not saying that I want to create a new "GNOME" like unity but simply put that there or this here.. customize the look simply |
| 22:04.47 | RoyK | Keridos: are you on a 19k2bps modem? |
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| 22:05.08 | Keridos | no 150mbit/s line |
| 22:05.09 | buu | umbra_purus: stumpwm |
| 22:05.17 | Keridos | it downloaded it already, unpacking it takes to long |
| 22:05.29 | ocmsRzr | buu: haha, I happen to be the stumpwm maintainer |
| 22:05.36 | buu | ! |
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| 22:05.44 | Keridos | RoyK: and its just the kernel, not the headers |
| 22:05.57 | umbra_purus | stumpwm? what is that? |
| 22:06.08 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: if you just want to change the look of the deskopt check out gnome-look.org |
| 22:06.13 | buu | makes the sign of the cross and backs away slowly |
| 22:06.58 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: its a tiling window manager written in common lisp. It doesn't decorate things at all. If you've used screen before, or emacs, it uses very similar concepts, but applies them to windows |
| 22:07.22 | Keridos | It's hanging at "Unpacking linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 (3.16.7-ckt7-1) ..." |
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| 22:08.50 | RoyK | Keridos: the headers don't take up much data - the kernel is bigger |
| 22:08.53 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager |
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| 22:09.27 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager |
| 22:10.39 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: I just looked up bspwm, is there any reason in particular you want that window manager? |
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| 22:11.47 | ocmsRzr | if you just want to get it going on debian, the following should work: |
| 22:11.48 | Keridos | ok it finished after about 40 minutes or so lol |
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| 22:11.56 | umbra_purus | umbra_purus no reason. Just one of the top recommended because of its simplicity |
| 22:12.22 | ocmsRzr | echo "exec /path/to/bspwm" > .xinitrc |
| 22:12.36 | ocmsRzr | and then when you login (assuming gdm) choose "System default" |
| 22:12.41 | ocmsRzr | and it should launch it |
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| 22:12.58 | ocmsRzr | tiling window managers are a very different paradigm than traditional ones |
| 22:13.07 | ocmsRzr | so it will be a culture shock no matter what |
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| 22:13.18 | ocmsRzr | have you used emacs or gnu screen before? |
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| 22:13.38 | paradigm | so many different me's |
| 22:13.38 | ocmsRzr | and or have any experience with lisp? |
| 22:14.09 | ocmsRzr | paradigm: haha cute |
| 22:14.43 | ocmsRzr | anyone want to help my debug my wifi? it'll be more fun than the regular "install the right firmware" I promise |
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| 22:15.52 | umbra_purus | well no... |
| 22:15.54 | umbra_purus | xD |
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| 22:16.00 | umbra_purus | newbie here ocmsRzr |
| 22:16.07 | ocmsRzr | ok |
| 22:16.18 | ocmsRzr | those are the main reasons to choose stumpwm |
| 22:16.30 | ocmsRzr | if you want something you can hack while its running |
| 22:16.32 | ocmsRzr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.53 | umbra_purus | it's not quite plug in play right? xD |
| 22:17.08 | ocmsRzr | many of the other tiling wm's that focus on power users require editing the source and recompiling |
| 22:17.29 | umbra_purus | and where can i learn that? |
| 22:17.29 | ocmsRzr | maybe your looking for something more like xmonad |
| 22:18.12 | ocmsRzr | if your really new to linux, I may suggest holding off on jumping into a tiling wm |
| 22:18.23 | ocmsRzr | if you really want to though, go for it! |
| 22:18.37 | ocmsRzr | its kind of a steep learning curve (both getting it set up and then using it) |
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| 22:19.08 | ocmsRzr | it took me three or four attempts to switch before it finally stuck and each time I went running back to GNOME |
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| 22:19.18 | umbra_purus | why? |
| 22:19.42 | umbra_purus | Just tell me something... |
| 22:19.57 | umbra_purus | Do I need a GUI to run WM? |
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| 22:21.44 | Keridos | you need x server |
| 22:22.01 | umbra_purus | x server? |
| 22:22.18 | Keridos | the display server used by most linux distributions |
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| 22:22.24 | umbra_purus | startx you mean? |
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| 22:24.17 | ocmsRzr | no, startx starts the x server |
| 22:24.31 | ocmsRzr | x is responsible for drawing stuff on the screen, like windows |
| 22:24.46 | ocmsRzr | its not a gui so much as its a program for guis to be rendered on |
| 22:25.07 | umbra_purus | got it |
| 22:25.10 | ocmsRzr | the gui is a generic term that can apply to any program that has graphical parts that you interact with |
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| 22:25.19 | ocmsRzr | thats why it stands for graphical user interface |
| 22:25.23 | ocmsRzr | firefox has a gui |
| 22:25.27 | ocmsRzr | your desktop has a gui |
| 22:25.32 | umbra_purus | What I've used to try to appear me the window manager but won't show at all |
| 22:25.48 | ocmsRzr | a terminal is a text interface so its not techincally a gui |
| 22:26.18 | ocmsRzr | try this: |
| 22:26.23 | ocmsRzr | (at a terminal) |
| 22:26.48 | ocmsRzr | echo "exec \"bspwm\"" > .xinitrc |
| 22:26.57 | ocmsRzr | sorry |
| 22:27.12 | ocmsRzr | echo "exec \"bspwm\"" > ${HOME}/.xinitrc |
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| 22:27.31 | buu | What's wrong with echo 'exec "..."' |
| 22:27.32 | ocmsRzr | ln -s ${HOME}/.xinitrc ${HOME}/.xsession |
| 22:28.04 | ocmsRzr | buu: wanted to make sure it ended up in ${HOME} in case umbra_purus opened a terminal in the wrong directory |
| 22:28.28 | umbra_purus | nothing happens.. |
| 22:28.34 | umbra_purus | it's idle |
| 22:28.35 | ocmsRzr | it won't yet |
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| 22:28.52 | umbra_purus | what do you mean? |
| 22:28.57 | ocmsRzr | then log out to the login screen, and next to the login button there's a little settings wheel |
| 22:29.03 | buu | ocmsRzr: No I meant using single quotes instead of escaped double quotes |
| 22:29.03 | ocmsRzr | don't leave yet |
| 22:29.08 | ocmsRzr | oh |
| 22:29.24 | ocmsRzr | yeah that would have worked I already had the double quotes typed |
| 22:29.27 | ocmsRzr | emacs :) |
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| 22:30.51 | ocmsRzr | umbra_purus: you'll have to log out and at the gdm screen next to the login button there's a settings button that allows you to choose from "System Default, GNOME, GNOME Classic, GNOME on Wayland", choose System Default and login, it should launch bspwm |
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| 22:31.50 | umbra_purus | ok hold on |
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| 22:36.04 | Keridos | i just ordered a msata ssd, running debian from a usb stick is horrifyingly slow |
| 22:36.20 | Keridos | apt-get dist-upgrade takes several hours to complete |
| 22:36.41 | Keridos | for a system without x... |
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| 22:38.03 | centrx | If the disk is slow, doesn't matter if you are running X or not |
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| 22:40.21 | FlashSlayer | "scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:38:20: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory" I get this when I type "make menuconfig" (it's patched 3.18.9 kernel with PREEMPT_RT) |
| 22:41.20 | centrx | Install curses dev package |
| 22:42.08 | centrx | ncurses |
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| 22:46.27 | FlashSlayer | ncurses-dev? |
| 22:46.46 | FlashSlayer | ncurses-base and ncurses-bin are installed |
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| 22:47.07 | centrx | FlashSlayer, libncurses5-dev |
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| 22:49.30 | FlashSlayer | now it's working |
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| 23:01.46 | jhutchins | Doesn't aptitude install build-deps cover that? |
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| 23:19.39 | dimitry7 | hey guys |
| 23:19.51 | dimitry7 | how can i see in debian if I am going full duplex or half duplex?? |
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| 23:20.25 | petemc | dmesg or ethtool |
| 23:20.47 | RoyK | ethtool is preferred |
| 23:21.21 | RoyK | dimitry7: if you're running gigabit, it should be full duplex all way unless you have a bad cable |
| 23:21.34 | RoyK | 10Ge doesn't support half duplex |
| 23:21.54 | RoyK | (for good reason) |
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| 23:22.32 | dimitry7 | RoyK, ok I see this: http://pastebin.com/km64c1J8 |
| 23:22.47 | dimitry7 | I can't see if it is full duplex |
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| 23:23.24 | RoyK | dimitry7: eh - not sure |
| 23:23.31 | petemc | Link detected: no |
| 23:23.32 | RoyK | dimitry7: what sort of NIC is this? |
| 23:24.05 | dimitry7 | RoyK, BCM9750 |
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| 23:25.29 | RoyK | dimitry7: didn't find any NICs with that model |
| 23:26.01 | RoyK | dimitry7: as petemc pointed out - no link detected |
| 23:26.11 | RoyK | dimitry7: is it plugged in? is the cable good? |
| 23:26.31 | dimitry7 | is broadcom |
| 23:26.39 | RoyK | which sucks |
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| 23:27.04 | dimitry7 | jajaja really¡? |
| 23:27.08 | dimitry7 | which one you prefer? |
| 23:27.20 | RoyK | intel cards usually work well |
| 23:27.34 | RoyK | which kernel are you running? |
| 23:27.41 | dimitry7 | RoyK, ok ok, well, this server is dell, so it's got it embedded |
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| 23:27.49 | dimitry7 | im am running debian 7 |
| 23:27.50 | dimitry7 | lastest |
| 23:27.53 | RoyK | uname -a |
| 23:27.53 | dimitry7 | 3.2 or so |
| 23:28.10 | dimitry7 | 3.16 |
| 23:28.12 | RoyK | well, 3.16 is in the repos |
| 23:28.39 | dimitry7 | RoyK, what cable should I choose to have full duplex? |
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| 23:29.28 | RoyK | dimitry7: any cable with all eight |
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| 23:29.56 | dimitry7 | RoyK, okay great, any cathegory? |
| 23:30.27 | RoyK | cat5 works well for gigE over <50m |
| 23:30.35 | RoyK | cat5e up to 100m |
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| 23:31.14 | RoyK | cat6a if you want to do 10Ge over 100m |
| 23:31.30 | dimitry7 | ok ok RoyK and what about the type? i connect this to my ISP Cisco Router |
| 23:31.41 | dimitry7 | so it needs to be... crossover? |
| 23:31.44 | RoyK | no |
| 23:31.50 | RoyK | gigE is autodetect |
| 23:31.55 | RoyK | by definition |
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| 23:32.07 | dimitry7 | ok ok |
| 23:32.11 | RoyK | crossover is what we used to do in the 10/100Mbps days |
| 23:32.12 | dimitry7 | so straight will do the trick |
| 23:32.15 | atlasloewenherz | hi everyone! |
| 23:32.19 | RoyK | dimitry7: indeed |
| 23:32.26 | dimitry7 | perfeeect!!! |
| 23:32.29 | dimitry7 | thank you man!! |
| 23:32.33 | RoyK | dimitry7: ;) |
| 23:32.36 | dimitry7 | :) |
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| 23:33.03 | RoyK | dimitry7: you need all eight to do gigabit - gigabit won't work over four leads |
| 23:33.40 | dimitry7 | RoyK, yeah, im getting one with eight that works well |
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| 23:34.35 | RoyK | dimitry7: goodie |
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| 23:35.23 | srg | Hey guys. I desire to play chess. I seached "chess" in the ports tree and quickly realized there are a TON of chess clients and engines and everything. Is there a recommended "good" one I can install? |
| 23:35.33 | srg | s/ports tree/apt repo |
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| 23:36.24 | teraflop | ports ^ |
| 23:36.37 | rexbutler | sudo apt-get install ia32-libs-sdl: Unable to locate package ia32-libs-sdl |
| 23:36.48 | RoyK | dimitry7: did you get it to do its thing? |
| 23:36.52 | rexbutler | Anyone guess what package I'm really looking for? |
| 23:37.09 | RoyK | rexbutler: why do you need 32bit things? |
| 23:37.28 | srg | teraflop: my freebsd subconscious popped out |
| 23:38.37 | ocmsRzr | does anyone know why hardware that worked in ubuntu wouldn't show up in lspci or lsusb? |
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| 23:38.53 | teraflop | srg: then you have/had good habits |
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| 23:39.15 | dimitry7 | RoyK, I need to buy one haha |
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| 23:39.21 | rexbutler | I'm trying to implement http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4841908/sdl-init-failure-reason-is-no-available-video-device |
| 23:39.31 | RoyK | dimitry7: don't you have something lying around? |
| 23:40.04 | RoyK | always has too much TP cable around :P |
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| 23:40.29 | rexbutler | When I run $ <SDK directory>/tools/emulator-x86 -avd Your_AVD_Name -qemu -m 2047 -enable-kvm |
| 23:40.42 | mtn_ | ocmsRzr: if the hardware is still good/connected, it would be a kernel issue |
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| 23:41.17 | rexbutler | I get : SDL init failure, reason is: No available video device\ |
| 23:41.37 | ocmsRzr | I don't consider myself inexperienced, but I've never dealt with a kernel issue like this |
| 23:41.58 | mtn_ | ocmsRzr: I doubt it is the kernl |
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| 23:42.21 | ocmsRzr | I "upgraded" from 14.04 lts to debian jessie and lspci and lsusb do not show the wifi adapter |
| 23:42.31 | dimitry7 | RoyK, yes, many, but I can't trust any hahaha |
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| 23:43.07 | RoyK | dimitry7: probably works better with something you can't trust than something that doesn't work :P |
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| 23:43.24 | dimitry7 | RoyK, yes this works, but half duplex haha |
| 23:43.33 | RoyK | then try another |
| 23:43.34 | ocmsRzr | ok, I just confirmed that wifi still works in windows |
| 23:43.35 | dimitry7 | although I guess is so, 'cos ethtool does not say |
| 23:43.42 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: how did you " |
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| 23:43.50 | rexbutler | Anyone know what libsdl packages I should install, then? |
| 23:43.59 | dimitry7 | RoyK, I want to see I am going half or full |
| 23:44.02 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: how did you "upgrade"? Debian and ubutnu are not similar enough you can just upgrade the os from one to another. You need to reinstall. |
| 23:44.10 | ocmsRzr | sorry |
| 23:44.16 | RoyK | dimitry7: just try another cable first |
| 23:44.24 | ocmsRzr | I mean upgrade in the sense that the kernel version jumped |
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| 23:44.35 | ocmsRzr | 14.04 is based on a n older kernel |
| 23:44.45 | ocmsRzr | it was a clean install |
| 23:44.56 | RoyK | ocmsRzr: IIRC 14.04 is ubuntu, not debian ;) |
| 23:45.03 | ocmsRzr | I know :) |
| 23:45.27 | ocmsRzr | I used dd to image the testing dvd 1 and booted from that |
| 23:45.38 | ocmsRzr | the install went smoothely on my desktop |
| 23:45.41 | dimitry7 | RoyK, Not today, pleople is working |
| 23:45.49 | dimitry7 | I get slapped if I move any cable there |
| 23:45.50 | dimitry7 | hahaha |
| 23:46.00 | ocmsRzr | on my laptop it prompted twice for realtek firmware (once for wifi once for ethernet), I denied both and continued with the install |
| 23:46.23 | ocmsRzr | I restarted at the end and used a usb to copy firmware-realtek.deb from jessie to the laptop |
| 23:46.27 | ocmsRzr | installed the firmware and rebooted |
| 23:46.31 | RoyK | dimitry7: erm... just plug the new cable into the switch and then within a second, unplug the bad cable and replug the other one - they won't notice |
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| 23:47.01 | dimitry7 | RoyK, could it be the interface' |
| 23:47.03 | RoyK | dimitry7: I've recabled large switches that way in production - noone noticed |
| 23:47.04 | dimitry7 | ? |
| 23:47.04 | ocmsRzr | lspci -nn, lsusb -v, and lshw -C network are all missing any entry for a wireless adapter or net |
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| 23:47.29 | RoyK | dimitry7: it could be the NIC or the driver - or the cable |
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| 23:47.37 | dimitry7 | RoyK, this cable is connected directly to the router |
| 23:47.55 | RoyK | dimitry7: well, a few seconds of switching won't matter |
| 23:48.03 | RoyK | dimitry7: people really won't notice |
| 23:48.15 | RoyK | TCP is good at retransmission |
| 23:48.27 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: What is your wifi card? Do you know if it is pci or usb? Most likely you just need non-free firmware on debian (unless it is a really new wificard) |
| 23:48.55 | ocmsRzr | somiaj: its a machine from 2011, pci according to windows |
| 23:49.17 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: care to paste the output of lspci -nn at paste.debian.net |
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| 23:49.29 | somiaj | (I'm hoping you have wired internet) |
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| 23:49.50 | ocmsRzr | I don't :) the ethernet adapter is toast and I forgot my usb adapter at work. |
| 23:50.11 | ocmsRzr | but since your helping :) I will find a way |
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| 23:50.16 | ocmsRzr | give me a min |
| 23:50.48 | dimitry7 | RoyK, okay I will do it |
| 23:50.57 | dimitry7 | RoyK, any inconvenience I'll say you told me |
| 23:50.58 | dimitry7 | hahaha |
| 23:51.14 | RoyK | dimitry7: hehe |
| 23:51.38 | RoyK | dimitry7: please, see pm |
| 23:52.03 | ocmsRzr | somiaj: ok, windows says its a RTL8192Ce pci wireless adapter, I'll update you with the lspci output soon |
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| 23:54.44 | Shadow_7 | ocmsRzr: I have a similar one. rtl8732be +/-. The github sources for rtlwifi_new seems to work for it. |
| 23:55.24 | wenshan | Hi all, I'm running of disk space and I'd like to remove the windows partitions and give the space to /home. Is this possible for ext4? (`parted -l` gives http://dpaste.com/0400EJP) |
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| 23:56.09 | ocmsRzr | ooofff false alarm. when I booted into windows it told me the adapter was disabled, I reenabled it and now its showing up in linux |
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| 23:57.21 | mtn_ | ocmsRzr: good old windows :P |
| 23:57.36 | RoyK | s/old/lousy/ |
| 23:57.39 | dvs | !lart mtn_ |
| 23:57.39 | dpkg | whacks mtn_ upside the head |
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| 23:58.06 | RoyK | !lart mtn_ |
| 23:58.06 | ocmsRzr | mtn_: I thought may have hit the hardware switch so I tried that before windows and nothing happened |
| 23:58.06 | dpkg | beats mtn_ to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 23:58.26 | mtn_ | hey guys, take it easy! |
| 23:58.40 | RoyK | (lartlartlart) |
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| 23:59.00 | ocmsRzr | wenshan: in principal yes, but any time your resize partitions you should make sure you back up all important data |
| 23:59.02 | acz32 | it is hard to set up an XMPP server in debian? |
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| 23:59.27 | RoyK | acz32: no - google it ;) |
