| 00:00.00 | ocmsRzr | usually it will amount to (from a live-cd) running the partition editor, deleting the ntfs partitions you don't want, and then resizing the remaining partitions |
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| 00:00.24 | acz32 | RoyK: several options. do you know which is recommended/best. ejabberd? prosody? |
| 00:01.17 | ocmsRzr | wenshan: it takes a long time in my experience, abut when its done, just remember to "update-grub2" so that you don't have any grub entries pointing to non-existant windows installs |
| 00:01.48 | ocmsRzr | I prefer keeping windows in tiny tiny partitions just in case |
| 00:01.56 | ocmsRzr | it comes in handy very occasionally |
| 00:02.16 | ocmsRzr | and I usually leave enough space to install one or two games when I need to get my fix |
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| 00:04.13 | dimitry7 | RoyK, i've just changed it |
| 00:04.15 | dimitry7 | it still sasy half duplex |
| 00:04.44 | ocmsRzr | anyone ever migrated an ecryptfs folder from ubuntu to debian? |
| 00:04.47 | RoyK | dimitry7: probably a bad drver or nic |
| 00:04.48 | dimitry7 | RoyK, what's next? |
| 00:04.54 | dimitry7 | RoyK, mg ok |
| 00:04.56 | RoyK | my guess is a bad driver |
| 00:05.07 | RoyK | broadcom are rather infamous on that |
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| 00:08.59 | dimitry7 | hahaha |
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| 00:09.15 | dimitry7 | bad driver? |
| 00:09.22 | dimitry7 | you mean debian repos' driver? |
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| 00:12.04 | user | Hello all i was hoping that someone in here may happen to know about if a type of software i am needing is in the debian repo. I am setting up a CNC mill and i am needing some CAD imaging software that i would be abile to draw out my work on ? |
| 00:12.41 | user | i have been able to find some cad software but wasnt a .deb package |
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| 00:13.31 | centrx | user, There seem to be several in Debian, e.g. librecad, freecad |
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| 00:13.46 | Brigo | centrx, 2D or 3D? |
| 00:13.51 | user | i didnt see free cad in the repo huh |
| 00:13.55 | centrx | user, ^ |
| 00:14.10 | Brigo | centrx, sorry :) |
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| 00:15.45 | SpeakerToMeat | Hi. Question in jessie (with default debian) is xdg-open still being used to handle urls from apps in general? and if xdg-mime lists a .desktop file for http urls is that file really being used instead of being handed off to gvfs-open ? well yes it seems it's so, since xdg-open opens my custom firefox install which is what happens for all external urls, and gvfs-open opens system's iceweasel |
| 00:15.48 | SpeakerToMeat | hmph |
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| 00:16.50 | wenshan | ocmsRzr: thanks :) |
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| 00:20.48 | SpeakerToMeat | Hrmph, nevermind |
| 00:20.50 | SpeakerToMeat | thanks |
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| 00:23.37 | csc` | ugh |
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| 00:24.01 | csc` | been 24 hours, still trying multiple mirrors, still can't update Main due to 404 |
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| 00:24.16 | centrx | csc`, Did you try http.debian.net |
| 00:24.31 | csc` | yes |
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| 00:24.37 | csc` | ive tried that, ftp, united kingdom mirrors |
| 00:24.48 | csc` | set everything exactly how it was supposed to be |
| 00:25.22 | csc` | was something broken in the latest KDE installation disk? |
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| 00:26.57 | themill | csc`: can we take a step back and ask your real question? |
| 00:27.31 | themill | (KDE has nothing to do with apt) |
| 00:27.36 | csc` | What is wrong with my system which is configured appropriately and refuses to update, and how do I fix it. |
| 00:27.46 | csc` | and it does when there are multiple disks which may contain different configurations |
| 00:27.51 | themill | No |
| 00:28.02 | themill | Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-get update"? |
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| 00:30.43 | csc` | themill, one second. |
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| 00:32.53 | csc` | themill, http://pastebin.com/MK22wcNQ |
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| 00:36.33 | themill | csc`: the file that is claimed to be a 404 is definitely there on the mirror. Do you have some sort of proxy between you and the mirror? |
| 00:36.43 | csc` | shouldn't, no |
| 00:37.06 | csc` | this machine goes into a router which is fed by a laptop with a wireless tether. |
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| 00:37.21 | csc` | I installed debian in a VM via netinstall a few weeks ago |
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| 00:38.34 | csc` | themill, is it possible to manually update that particular repository and ignore the update failure? |
| 00:38.38 | themill | csc`: can you get us a bit more info with "apt-get -o 'Debug::Acquire::http=true' update" please? |
| 00:38.45 | csc` | im a bit rusty on Debian package management |
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| 00:40.14 | csc` | running it now. |
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| 00:42.05 | user | I was trying to install a program called freecad that a person on this channel told me about and when i type sudo apt-get install freecad i get this message |
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| 00:42.50 | user | the following packages have unmet dependencies: freecad: depends: libsoqt4-20 debends: python-pivy |
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| 00:43.45 | csc` | user, are you using an apt repository or dpkg to install it? |
| 00:43.51 | csc` | er, nevermind. |
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| 00:44.11 | user | repo |
| 00:44.12 | csc` | themill, http://pastebin.com/K8SGQrpY |
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| 00:44.34 | user | csc the repository |
| 00:45.03 | csc` | user, it doesn't say anything else? |
| 00:45.10 | csc` | just unmet dependancies? |
| 00:45.17 | user | but when i try to install those two seems as if it installed them but when i go to install freecad again i get that message |
| 00:46.13 | user | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 00:48.13 | user | csc E: Unable to correct problem, you have held broken packages. |
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| 00:49.26 | csc` | user, the held packages are the reason you cannot install it. I suspect the ones held are older than the ones available and freecad is build against the newer libraries |
| 00:49.48 | user | csc what should i do remove them ? |
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| 00:50.51 | csc` | user, Im afraid that's about as far as my knowledge of debian goes currently |
| 00:51.00 | themill | csc`: does adding «-o 'Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order::="gz"'» help? |
| 00:51.21 | user | csc ok i thank you i just wanted to make sure that is what i should do before i done it you know |
| 00:51.30 | csc` | themill, let me try. Im trying to get the repository to work so I can install synergy, i keep having to move my unifying receiver, lol |
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| 00:53.59 | lefedy | Does anyone know why Debian 8 disconnects bluetooth devices right after connecting? |
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| 00:54.25 | csc` | Not I, sir |
| 00:54.34 | ctmjr | user: sounds like you might have a problem with your sources.list can you paste it |
| 00:54.58 | csc` | themill, that failed too |
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| 00:56.27 | csc` | http://pastebin.com/HtQgW9pf |
| 00:56.35 | lefedy | Dang. Only my bluetooth headphones get disconnected immediately |
| 00:57.08 | csc` | lefedy, not that it really relates to the problem, but i've had issues with headsets and windows before. I've never had bluetooth available on a linux system |
| 00:57.15 | csc` | similar issues* |
| 00:57.39 | lefedy | Do you know the cause? |
| 00:57.57 | lefedy | csc`: I had the same headphones working on Debian 7. That computer fried though. |
| 00:58.00 | csc` | nope |
| 00:58.09 | lefedy | hmmm... so weird. |
| 00:58.12 | csc` | i'd suspect in my case the adapter was a piece of crap |
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| 00:58.36 | csc` | got it from dealextreme for a few bucks and it would only work correctly in Stereo mode with my Samsung HM3500 |
| 00:58.49 | csc` | frequently disconnected the audio stream even though I was a foot or so from the receiver |
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| 00:59.23 | lefedy | Weird. |
| 00:59.30 | lefedy | Bluetooth is so touchy. |
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| 01:00.17 | csc` | yeah |
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| 02:19.39 | Contrl | I'm running an IRC bot in GNU Screen. If the server SIGTERMs, my program ends. How can I have a check every minute to ensure it isn't closed, and if it does, run Screen and then run my bot within that Screen? |
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| 02:30.12 | t4nk988 | I use an HP Pavilion Laptop and my F12 key is stuck off so I cannot access Internet. I used a USB to install Debian while this issue was happening. It's how I detected it. Now I'm stuck in a terminal only version of Debian. How can I reconnect to the internet in this state? |
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| 02:43.14 | memfrob | hi does debian have a git repo or some kind of a public development repo for packages? |
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| 02:44.44 | dvs | memfrob: apt-get source ? |
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| 02:45.12 | memfrob | public repository, so i can view the debian patches on non-deb based distros |
| 02:45.37 | dvs | not that I know of |
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| 02:49.43 | memfrob | ah at least the diffs i can find through packages.debian.org |
| 02:49.48 | memfrob | close enough! thanks! |
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| 03:00.16 | Contrl | How would I hide the output of something like ... pidof python ... ? |
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| 03:34.57 | centrx | Contrl, pidof python > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 03:36.03 | Contrl | centrx: I've already done that, and am thinking of another issue |
| 03:36.55 | Contrl | Trying to figure out how to do 'Enter' / 'Return' in Bash. |
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| 03:39.29 | Contrl | Any idea, centrx? |
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| 03:41.12 | centrx | Contrl, send the control code for Enter or newline to stdin? |
| 03:41.22 | Contrl | What is the control code? |
| 03:41.48 | centrx | Contrl, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/escapingsection.html |
| 03:41.52 | centrx | search for Enter |
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| 03:42.06 | Contrl | centrx: YOU ARE AMAZING |
| 03:42.12 | centrx | it's also possible newline, \n , is what would be used |
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| 03:48.32 | Contrl | Hmm |
| 03:48.44 | Contrl | echo \r ... nor echo \n work.. |
| 03:50.00 | rgr_android | read the doc. quote. |
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| 03:52.59 | Contrl | Yeah, nothing. |
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| 03:53.12 | Contrl | echo $'\n' ... echo '\n' ... echo "\n" ... |
| 03:53.15 | Contrl | and same with \r |
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| 03:54.03 | centrx | try the actual control code for the 'Enter' keypress |
| 03:54.31 | rabbitear_sdf | echo -e '\r' |
| 03:54.35 | rabbitear_sdf | echo -e '\n' |
| 03:55.33 | Contrl | rabbitear_sdf: Doesn't work |
| 03:56.42 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: what shell? |
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| 03:57.04 | rabbitear_sdf | in bash, you use -e |
| 03:57.14 | rabbitear_sdf | to make all the escapes work |
| 03:57.22 | rabbitear_sdf | other shells may be different |
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| 03:57.46 | Contrl | rabbitear_sdf: I think it's Bash. This is Debian Jessie Gnome. |
| 03:58.00 | Canar | dash? |
| 03:58.16 | Contrl | How would I check? |
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| 03:58.46 | rabbitear_sdf | echo $SHELL <-- depending on the shell |
| 03:59.01 | Contrl | /bin/bash |
| 03:59.33 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: which OS? |
| 03:59.41 | Contrl | Debian Jessie. |
| 03:59.50 | themill | Contrl: perhaps you could define in what way it does not work |
| 04:00.07 | rabbitear_sdf | you can see it with echo -e '\n\n\n\n\n', because one echo -e '\n' is the same as just echo |
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| 04:00.50 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: yeah, need to add some context about it |
| 04:01.08 | Contrl | I have an IRC bot running in a GNU Screen session |
| 04:01.14 | Contrl | Sometimes the channel SIGTERMs |
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| 04:01.45 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: the threat/program SIGTERMs |
| 04:01.58 | Contrl | rabbitear_sdf: Yes, that's what I meant |
| 04:02.08 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: :) |
| 04:02.15 | Contrl | So I want to be able to run a program every minute in Cron to check if it's running. Since this will be the only Python program running, I'm just doing ... if pidof python |
| 04:03.06 | Contrl | https://bpaste.net/show/2f2d1f112ab2 |
| 04:03.18 | Contrl | Should be super easy. :( |
| 04:03.48 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: hmm, so like there's lots of ways... ps usually is on the box, and egrep is on the box.. |
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| 04:04.32 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: egrep the ps list like .. ps ax | egrep 'myprogram.py' |
| 04:04.58 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: that would get you a line, if running, and no line if not running |
| 04:05.37 | themill | Contrl: I what are you expecting just running "screen" would do there? |
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| 04:07.23 | rabbitear_sdf | actually it'll egrep itself too, unless you include python ... so like `ps ax | egrep 'python.*myprogram.py$'` will give you no line if not running |
| 04:07.58 | diakonos | Help! I just overwrote the contents of /etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants on my beagleboneblack rev c. Can anyone tell me what is supposed to be in there. I vaguely remember seeing .swp in there before but am not sure. |
| 04:08.17 | diakonos | Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone50 #1 SMP Tue May 13 13:24:52 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 04:08.40 | diakonos | root@beaglebone:/etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:08.40 | diakonos | 7.6 |
| 04:09.26 | Contrl | themill: I'm trying to run the program in screen, because this is on a VPS. |
| 04:09.35 | Contrl | So if it's not already running, run it. |
| 04:09.44 | Contrl | If it's already running, exit |
| 04:09.47 | themill | Contrl: just running "screen" starts a new screen session |
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| 04:09.57 | Contrl | themill: I get a message. |
| 04:10.02 | themill | yes. |
| 04:10.16 | Contrl | Which ends with... [Press Space for next page; Return to end.] |
| 04:10.28 | Contrl | Which is why I need to do Return in my bash script. |
| 04:10.48 | themill | no, your script can't possibly do that. It's waiting for screen to exit before proceeding. |
| 04:11.15 | Contrl | Gotcha. So what do I do in this case? |
| 04:12.18 | themill | It is possible but not easy to do this inside screen. I wouldn't really recommend it. You need to tell screen what command to run, but you also need to give the screen session a name to re-attach to it |
| 04:13.47 | rabbitear_sdf | rtorrent was always setup thru screen, because its always ncurses |
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| 04:15.11 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: pgrep is better than ps with egrep, if you can add that... |
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| 04:17.07 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: apt-get it if you can ... but it will also use a regex to find your process, the thing is that you have a command line, which starts with 'python' so its more difficult [a very little bit] ... if you want the command line to be searched instead of the program name with pgrep, there is the -f <regex> option... |
| 04:17.45 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: pidof will only grab the program name (usually the first part of whatever commandline) |
| 04:17.56 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: pgrep will do it |
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| 04:20.08 | rabbitear_sdf | like: |
| 04:21.01 | rabbitear_sdf | [[ $(pgrep -f '^python.*myprog.py$') ]] && echo "its running" |
| 04:21.18 | rabbitear_sdf | ^ for start of line $ for end of line |
| 04:21.34 | rabbitear_sdf | .* <-- whatevers in the middle |
| 04:22.11 | rabbitear_sdf | [[ $(pgrep -f '^python.*myprog.py$') ]] || echo "its NOT running" <-- saying you wanna do something that way |
| 04:28.26 | rabbitear_sdf | as far as I know, that bash vuln, a couple months ago, stops people from useing pipe inside $( ) |
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| 04:31.56 | Contrl | hmm |
| 04:32.44 | rabbitear_sdf | maybe you can do it with proper quoting, but I don't know how, bash quoting always gets complex (atleast to me) |
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| 04:36.46 | themill | Contrl: doing this with a real process supervisor like daemontools or systemd would probably make more sense than trying to invent your own |
| 04:37.11 | Contrl | themill: No clue how to work that, and need this up relatively soon. |
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| 04:44.07 | shay_shay | Contrl: recommend daemon tools |
| 04:44.14 | shay_shay | if you dont want to try systemd |
| 04:44.27 | shay_shay | both work good and are easy to get working quickly |
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| 05:01.14 | Contrl | shay_shay: systemd on Wheezy? |
| 05:01.35 | shay_shay | yeah it will work |
| 05:01.44 | shay_shay | its in backports |
| 05:02.12 | shay_shay | but daemontools supervise as themill recommended will also work really well, without changing your init system |
| 05:02.46 | shay_shay | its super easy to setup and "just works tm" |
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| 05:10.54 | kodur | i am trying to do a live usb install. install asks for non-free firmware to be loaded. i added the file to the root directory of the usb used for install. installation still asks for that firmware to be loaded. is this a common problem? |
| 05:11.53 | paddy| | kodur: load it after the install |
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| 05:12.15 | DrakkenWarr | If you add it to root? Yes, you should keep it in a secondary folder you can point to during the install if it is integral in making the install happen |
| 05:13.18 | shay_shay | kodur: I've never gotten that to work right, but can you simply install it afterwards? I keep a usb nic around for installs on systems which dont have free wireless drivers. alternatively you can try the unofficial installers which come with non-free firmware |
| 05:13.21 | kodur | it is firmware-iwlwifi_0.36+wheezy.1_all for my wireless adapter |
| 05:14.46 | kodur | shay_shay: is it easy to install afterwards if i have the .deb on a usb? |
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| 05:16.12 | kodur | i've been trying to get it to load for like 3 hours now. i should have just waited until i haad access to wired ethernet |
| 05:16.38 | csc` | kodur, dpkg -i <package> if there aren't any other dependencies |
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| 05:17.33 | csc` | if you have other dependencies which you don't have in the installed system, you'll have to include those on the usb disk as well |
| 05:17.59 | kodur | csc`: can i get what packages it depends on from packages.debian.org? |
| 05:18.16 | csc` | depends on the package, really |
| 05:18.33 | kodur | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 05:18.50 | shay_shay | kodur: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:18.59 | shay_shay | this installer comes with all the non-free firmware |
| 05:19.17 | shay_shay | disclaimer: i've never used it |
| 05:19.28 | shay_shay | but I have seen it recommended here a lot |
| 05:20.49 | kodur | shay_shay: ok, thanks, maybe i'll just give that a try |
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| 05:21.19 | kodur | shay_shay: really wanted to get it to work by adding the files to my usb stick though! |
| 05:21.52 | shay_shay | kodur: well you're welcome to keep trying :P... I think I got that to work once by putting it on a ext4 formatted thumb drive |
| 05:21.57 | shay_shay | an seperate drive |
| 05:22.03 | shay_shay | s/an/a |
| 05:22.15 | csc` | lol the installer doesnt support fat/fat32? |
| 05:22.26 | shay_shay | csc`: not sure |
| 05:22.34 | kodur | the tips i read online said to use a fat/fat32 to make sure it works |
| 05:22.44 | csc` | yeah |
| 05:22.51 | shay_shay | my solution to this problem was to keep a usb nic handy. one that works out of the box |
| 05:23.05 | csc` | and why on earth would you format a thumbdrive with ext4? |
| 05:23.21 | shay_shay | csc`: because ext4 is the best |
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| 05:23.29 | csc` | I thought the norm was ext2 due to journaling |
| 05:23.58 | kodur | shay_shay: i am away from home so i have none of my normal resources besides the laptop i am trying to install on and my usb stick :) |
| 05:24.19 | shay_shay | why wouldnt you want journaling? |
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| 05:24.37 | csc` | because flash memory. |
| 05:25.01 | csc` | kodur, that package you linked has no dependancies, you should be able to install the system and dpkg -i the firmware after getting it up |
| 05:25.07 | shay_shay | theyre disposable |
| 05:25.18 | csc` | not all of them |
| 05:25.21 | csc` | and money adds up |
| 05:25.38 | kodur | csc`: can you tell that from the information under the heading: 'Other packages related to.." |
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| 05:26.02 | csc` | yes |
| 05:26.27 | csc` | those suggested packages are installed with the base system, iirc |
| 05:26.29 | kodur | csc`: ok, thought so. i am gonna give this netinstall iso that was linked earlier a shot |
| 05:26.45 | csc` | kodur, all you have is a netinstall? |
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| 05:27.08 | shay_shay | csc`: you can use journaless ext4 |
| 05:27.10 | csc` | was under the impression you had a full install disk |
| 05:27.18 | kodur | csc`: no, someone linked an iso earlier that was netinstall but had the closed source firmware |
| 05:27.35 | csc` | oh |
| 05:27.40 | kodur | csc`: my other attempts were with a live cd |
| 05:28.03 | csc` | i was going to say, if all you have is a netinstall, i /may/ be able to instruct you on how to inject the firmware into the system and load the module |
| 05:28.15 | csc` | but I really don't want to do that =s |
| 05:28.34 | kodur | csc`: i only have a windows install available to do all this prep work. so it probably wouldn't work out |
| 05:28.52 | shay_shay | the non-free netinstall will take the same amount of time after you consider the time you would have taken engineering the solution |
| 05:28.53 | csc` | because that's what I would do. Install the package into the installation ramdisk |
| 05:29.14 | csc` | but if i couldn't do that, i'd just copy the firmware files and load the driver manually |
| 05:29.21 | shay_shay | csc`: good point, and then modprobe it |
| 05:29.31 | csc` | tips hat |
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| 05:29.42 | kodur | csc`: thanks for your help |
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| 05:30.02 | kodur | and all others of course |
| 05:30.16 | csc` | kodur, yeah, format the disk to fat/fat32 and put the deb on there |
| 05:30.36 | csc` | try the installer's requests, if that doesn't work, get to a console and try dpkg -i <package> |
| 05:30.49 | csc` | I take it you don't have much linux experience though, yes? |
| 05:31.16 | kodur | csc`: i believe i do, but not much experience where there is no internet connection |
| 05:31.18 | csc` | (Im also not sure if the live installation system has a working copy of debian, or just basic essentials to install it) |
| 05:31.33 | shay_shay | kodur: theres a way to install drivers with the livecd but it depends on your adventurousness and/or linux experience and/or available/percived time |
| 05:31.49 | shay_shay | csc`: the livecd is a working copy of debian |
| 05:31.56 | csc` | alright then yeah |
| 05:31.56 | kodur | i'm going to try out this netinstall iso that includes closed source firmware. |
| 05:32.03 | csc` | lol |
| 05:32.09 | kodur | if that doesn't work out then i will just wait till i get home and use my ethernet cable |
| 05:32.12 | shay_shay | its a better live system than most others I've seen as far as how much it can stand up to torture |
| 05:32.36 | csc` | kodur, why no ethernet cable |
| 05:32.53 | rabbitear_sdf | csc`: coffee shop |
| 05:32.55 | kodur | csc`: had to travel to my gf's apartment on a whim |
| 05:33.03 | rabbitear_sdf | csc`: just watching |
| 05:33.11 | csc` | what |
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| 05:33.54 | csc` | has a number of coffee shops he can go to and plug in for innernets |
| 05:34.00 | csc` | ...and gas stations. |
| 05:34.13 | rabbitear_sdf | drivers issues are actually more of the burdin of NON linux os's these days |
| 05:34.13 | shay_shay | 's wifi has free drivers |
| 05:34.26 | csc` | lol |
| 05:34.28 | csc` | im still using b43 |
| 05:34.45 | rabbitear_sdf | but the believe that, is not still true, is still there |
| 05:35.24 | kodur | rabbitear_sdf: i don't think it is really an issue but it seems that debian maintainers do not want to include closed source firmware with their install software |
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| 05:35.57 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: 'sudo apt-cache search nonfree' |
| 05:36.03 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: 'sudo apt-cache search non-free' |
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| 05:36.37 | kodur | rabbitear_sdf: i don't have internet connection from the live cd ;) |
| 05:36.40 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: in the sense, that, it makes more work for them, ya, that would be true |
| 05:36.51 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: ah k.... |
| 05:36.58 | shay_shay | kodur: they're trying to keep it as a free and open source distro, even though with the current configuration they will never gain FSF acceptance it's still better than others |
| 05:37.04 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: always the other reason :) |
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| 05:37.13 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: no connection. |
| 05:37.17 | shay_shay | https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 05:37.39 | shay_shay | https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html |
| 05:37.48 | kodur | i'm not complaining... i just wanted to specify that i wouldn't really consider my issue a 'driver issue' ... since it is readily available |
| 05:37.49 | rabbitear_sdf | shay_shay: its also more work to 'fix' non-free stuff |
| 05:37.56 | shay_shay | yeah |
| 05:37.57 | shay_shay | ofc |
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| 05:38.36 | kodur | now, my new brother printer on the otherhand... that is a linux driver issue ;) |
| 05:39.19 | rabbitear_sdf | I wonder what happened to 'flash', I'm not sure if I'm even running it anymore, on some of my boxes, because way too many updates, but everything seems to be okay.... <-- hmm |
| 05:39.30 | csc` | lolwat |
| 05:39.40 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: maybe there is a *.ppd |
| 05:39.42 | csc` | adobe canceled flash on linux didnt they? |
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| 05:39.55 | shay_shay | pepper flash if you want flash |
| 05:39.56 | rabbitear_sdf | kodur: you add, to cups (saying you have cups running for printers) |
| 05:40.09 | shay_shay | i have been flash free for nearly a year though |
| 05:40.11 | rabbitear_sdf | csc`: I don't care, the old stuff works |
| 05:40.24 | csc` | wait til you find something that doesnt |
| 05:40.38 | rabbitear_sdf | csc`: I don't think I will anymore |
| 05:40.51 | shay_shay | uhh pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:40.56 | shay_shay | thats not old |
| 05:41.20 | rabbitear_sdf | csc`: the stuff I need, of flash, is way way basic... mostly for learning "apps" for chinese <-- learning chinese |
| 05:41.40 | rabbitear_sdf | csc`: those all work. |
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| 05:44.04 | rabbitear_sdf | sites with life in them, don't use way to much flash much anymore <- in my bubble |
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| 05:45.40 | shay_shay | yeah all the best sites use html5 |
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| 05:46.03 | rabbitear_sdf | which also has js, and all that |
| 05:46.19 | rabbitear_sdf | which isn't all that so! bad anymore |
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| 05:48.44 | kodur | well, off to try that netinstall. thanks again |
| 05:48.49 | duckey | When I use this one gnome shell, its super laggy and I always have to reboot. How can I make it more light weight and or run faster? Or what if I enable it to automatically boot into it? Will that help? |
| 05:49.15 | shay_shay | duckey: theres a flashback mode |
| 05:49.28 | shay_shay | log out and click the gear icon |
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| 05:49.40 | rabbitear_sdf | lol flashback mode !! :) |
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| 05:49.44 | duckey | okay |
| 05:49.46 | shay_shay | oh i am thinking of jessie |
| 05:49.50 | shay_shay | :/ sorry |
| 05:49.59 | duckey | I am on wheezy. Same? |
| 05:50.04 | shay_shay | not sure |
| 05:50.13 | duckey | let me check google |
| 05:50.17 | shay_shay | i think it does since kali linux uses it by default |
| 05:50.21 | shay_shay | and its based on wheezy |
| 05:50.48 | duckey | well |
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| 05:52.59 | shay_shay | duckey: its called "gnome classic" in wheezy |
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| 05:54.53 | duckey | Oh |
| 05:55.01 | shay_shay | you might look into installing drivers for your video card, and if that wont fix it then another desktop envioment |
| 05:55.29 | shay_shay | :D |
| 05:55.33 | shay_shay | bai |
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| 06:01.04 | duckey | That really did not work |
| 06:01.06 | duckey | :) |
| 06:01.15 | shay_shay | oh :) |
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| 06:02.46 | phix | hey gang! |
| 06:02.52 | phix | What's the latest? |
| 06:02.59 | duckey | Same happed. I typed gnome-shell --replace in the terminal and it worked for a second and then the dash faded away and I reboot. :) |
| 06:03.32 | phix | dang |
| 06:03.56 | duckey | yeah |
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| 06:04.15 | Contrl | phix: Trying to find out how to interact with Screen and Python. |
| 06:04.24 | somiaj | duckey: try to create a new user and see if it works with that user (sometimes user configs can cause strange things to happen) |
| 06:04.38 | duckey | I have 2 other users |
| 06:04.44 | duckey | let me see.... |
| 06:05.08 | duckey | somiaj, switch user or log out? |
| 06:05.21 | somiaj | duckey: I'd probabaly logout and run a clean xsession |
| 06:05.33 | somiaj | duckey: perferablly with a fresh user so configs are generated and not using old configs |
| 06:05.46 | somiaj | but that is just a way to test if the issue is with the os or the user config. |
| 06:05.57 | duckey | Okay. Well how can I close one x session? |
| 06:06.22 | somiaj | usually when you logout and it goes back to your display manager you are fine |
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| 06:06.46 | duckey | okay lets doit! |
| 06:06.50 | duckey | :) |
| 06:07.06 | phix | Contrl: hey buddy!! how's your porn / drug, human traffiking bitcoin site coming along? :) |
| 06:07.22 | Contrl | phix: lolwut? |
| 06:07.48 | Contrl | You must have me confused for someone else. I'm this guy -> https://bitbucket.org/contrl/contrl/src |
| 06:07.48 | phix | Contrl: Wern't you trying to set the date on your VPS yesterday? |
| 06:07.58 | Contrl | Yeah, but that VPS was carp. |
| 06:08.02 | Contrl | I got a different one |
| 06:08.04 | Contrl | Much better |
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| 06:08.08 | phix | with bitcoins? |
| 06:08.12 | Contrl | With buttcoins |
| 06:08.34 | phix | ok, I just find that most people that have bitcoin as a requirement to host a server are usually up to no good :) |
| 06:08.48 | Contrl | No, it's more for anonymity. |
| 06:08.52 | phix | ah |
| 06:09.04 | phix | Tax evasion? |
| 06:09.08 | Contrl | lolwut |
| 06:09.09 | Contrl | No |
| 06:09.15 | Contrl | https://bpaste.net/show/c109a52a934b <- |
| 06:09.18 | phix | :) |
| 06:09.19 | Contrl | Is what I'm trying to work on now |
| 06:09.31 | phix | Can I help? |
| 06:09.34 | Contrl | Probably |
| 06:09.42 | Contrl | I can't seem to actually get the screen working. |
| 06:09.58 | Contrl | It's more or less looking for file.py ( which will be my IRC bot ) |
| 06:10.06 | Contrl | If it's running, cool, don't do anything and exit |
| 06:10.17 | Contrl | If it's not running, execute a screen session and then run the bot. |
| 06:10.28 | Contrl | This will be a every minute Cron job |
| 06:10.38 | Contrl | But, the screen session never actually happens. |
| 06:10.41 | Contrl | -_- |
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| 06:11.30 | Contrl | Any idea? |
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| 06:16.40 | rabbitear_sdf | http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Solder-Without-Electricity-or-a-Soldering-I/ |
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| 06:17.30 | phix | Contrl: This is my boot script for connecting to freenode irc when my server reboots --> sudo -u phix screen -dmS freenodeIRC -t 'Freenode IRC' irssi -c irc.freenode.org -n phix |
| 06:17.42 | phix | Contrl: if irssi terminate so does the screen |
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| 06:17.58 | Contrl | what is 'phix'? |
| 06:18.05 | phix | username |
| 06:18.11 | Contrl | Oh, hurr |
| 06:18.13 | phix | :D |
| 06:18.36 | Contrl | So, how do you put that into Bash? |
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| 06:18.46 | phix | Contrl: as i typed |
| 06:18.48 | phix | it |
| 06:19.08 | shay_shay | @reboot in cron |
| 06:19.09 | phix | you probably dont need to use sudo, depending if you want to run the script as another user |
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| 06:19.20 | Contrl | I don't need to sudo |
| 06:19.33 | phix | shay_shay: nah, I have it in /etc/init.d |
| 06:19.46 | shay_shay | i wasnt asking :P |
| 06:19.58 | shay_shay | ok i will go watch walking dead now :/ |
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| 06:22.19 | Contrl | Brb |
| 06:22.22 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: have to figure that out from this maybe: http://superuser.com/questions/567885/tell-gnu-screen-to-reattach-or-create-and-execute-command |
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| 06:23.17 | duckey | its a little messed up but, i like it! |
| 06:23.45 | duckey | How can you stop some of these glitches? |
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| 06:24.49 | duckey | well |
| 06:25.06 | duckey | Im gonna take a screenshot of this one. |
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| 06:33.32 | Contrl | https://bpaste.net/show/22e8a2ff78cd will work |
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| 06:33.51 | Contrl | :D |
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| 06:44.36 | shay_shay | Contrl: maybe put a sleep in that loop |
| 06:44.53 | Contrl | shay_shay: ? |
| 06:45.03 | Contrl | I figured probably running it every 5 minutes was good enough. |
| 06:45.21 | shay_shay | ah |
| 06:45.49 | Contrl | Now to learn about Cron, lol |
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| 06:47.49 | rabbitear_sdf | Contrl: put 5 in the minute slot.. I always have to look at the manual |
| 06:47.52 | shay_shay | anyways why didnt you want to use daemon tools |
| 06:47.53 | shay_shay | ? |
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| 06:48.11 | rabbitear_sdf | shay_shay: because he's old school bro :) |
| 06:48.13 | Contrl | shay_shay: Minimalism. |
| 06:48.21 | rabbitear_sdf | shay_shay: stop hatin' |
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| 06:48.31 | excalibr | Hi. what sub fields in 'apt-key list' denote? Is it 'subkey'? |
| 06:48.31 | shay_shay | daemon tools is old school |
| 06:48.40 | Contrl | Also, isn't Daemon Tools for Windows or something? |
| 06:48.44 | shay_shay | no |
| 06:49.02 | shay_shay | http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 06:49.05 | Contrl | shay_shay: "DAEMON Tools is a virtual drive and optical disc authoring program for Microsoft Windows and Mac OS." |
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| 06:49.15 | shay_shay | lol |
| 06:49.34 | shay_shay | thats "DAEMON Tools" |
| 06:49.53 | shay_shay | that has nothing to do with the unix process supervisor which existed before it did |
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| 06:50.57 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/admin/daemontools |
| 06:51.13 | rabbitear_sdf | shay_shay: let the man, use the tools that are cool for him |
| 06:51.24 | rabbitear_sdf | everybody's always pushing stuff..... |
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| 06:52.00 | shay_shay | rabbitear_sdf: I'm the second person who has suggested that |
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| 06:53.42 | rabbitear_sdf | cron's not a bad way, but I don't know what's going on anymore... |
| 06:53.49 | shay_shay | clearly |
| 06:54.01 | rabbitear_sdf | I mean with Contrl idea.... there was lots |
| 06:54.25 | Contrl | Sec |
| 06:54.43 | shay_shay | http://isotope11.com/blog/manage-your-services-with-daemontools |
| 06:54.48 | Contrl | The server's IRCD sometimes SIGTERMs, so I figured I'd make a Cron job for every minute and check to see if my bot was still running. If it is, the Screen still exists and the server didn't SIGTERM or terminate in some way, and it'll exit. If it DOESN'T exist or isn't running, execute a screen session with the bot. https://bpaste.net/show/22e8a2ff78cd |
| 06:54.59 | Contrl | Or well, every 5 minutes |
| 06:55.00 | Contrl | w/e |
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| 06:55.14 | shay_shay | theres more information here explaining the advantages of supervise |
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| 07:00.12 | rabbitear_sdf | shay_shay & Contrl both ideas work. |
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| 07:00.49 | rabbitear_sdf | get it to work, then forget about it for 5 years |
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| 07:02.02 | Contrl | ( Stupid question) ... I currently have ... 5 0-23 * * * bot /home/bot/check.sh ... in crontab, and I feel like this is wrong. So, how do I execute a bash script in crontab? |
| 07:02.41 | rabbitear_sdf | i believe most of the time its * * * * * /command |
| 07:02.45 | paddy| | when i connect to my ISP's Speedport modem which acts as a router i theoretically need ip_nat_irc to make dcc work, right? but it has no effect because i would have to run it on the router? |
| 07:04.00 | paddy| | cause ip_conntrack_irc on both, my client and the server dont do the trick |
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| 07:04.43 | paddy| | it gets the local IP which does not match with the internet IP :( |
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| 07:08.07 | Contrl | paddy|: the local IP isn't going to match the external IP... |
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| 07:11.50 | paddy| | Contrl: thats why i would need NF_NAT_IRC on the router not on the client, right? |
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| 07:12.39 | Contrl | No.. |
| 07:12.50 | Contrl | The local IP is something entirely different than the external IP |
| 07:13.16 | paddy| | i know that |
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| 07:13.56 | paddy| | but NAT can be the only source of the problem. when i take the firewall down it works |
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| 07:20.53 | paddy| | the other side gets on DCC the local IP instead of the external IP. do you understand the problem? |
| 07:21.15 | paddy| | so it refuses to AUTH |
| 07:21.22 | Contrl | DCC? Is this IRC? |
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| 07:23.22 | paddy| | oh, hang on. i have an idea |
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| 07:29.16 | paddy| | nope :( still the same error: ALERT: (paddy!~lipzus@p5B2E6930.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) sent a DCC request with bogus IP information of 192.168.2.3 port 32001. ~lipzus@p5B2E6930.dip0.t-ipconnect.de does not resolve to 192.168.2.3! |
| 07:29.38 | Contrl | I'm getting "Must be connected to a terminal." from my cronjob of ... * * * * * bash -x /home/bot/check.sh |
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| 07:38.58 | paddy| | Contrl: what if you add after your script some magic like this: >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 07:39.17 | Contrl | paddy|: ? |
| 07:39.55 | paddy| | * * * * * bash -x /home/bot/check.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 07:41.19 | Contrl | Lemme check, sec |
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| 07:43.09 | shay_shay | that will just hide the error, he wants the script to run |
| 07:43.47 | Contrl | shay_shay: Any idea how to fix? |
| 07:43.59 | shay_shay | if its not already, enable execute permission, and run it directly |
| 07:44.09 | shay_shay | with full path, and without bash -x |
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| 07:44.27 | shay_shay | you can redirect stdout and error to /dev/null after you get it to work |
| 07:44.37 | shay_shay | either that or redirect to a log file |
| 07:44.49 | Contrl | -bash: check.sh: command not found |
| 07:44.58 | shay_shay | full path? |
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| 07:45.14 | Contrl | bash check.sh gives me |
| 07:45.17 | shay_shay | are you using full path like I said |
| 07:45.23 | Contrl | /usr/bin/screen: /usr/bin/screen: cannot execute binary file |
| 07:45.39 | DalekSec | `chronic` is useful as well, hides output unless there was an exit code != 0 |
| 07:46.23 | shay_shay | Contrl: i'm not going to sit here and debug your entire script |
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| 07:46.49 | Contrl | shay_shay: I certainly don't expect you to |
| 07:46.54 | shay_shay | the people in #bash are usually somewhat helpful for that |
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| 07:47.35 | jelly | Contrl: can you run /usr/bin/screen on its own? |
| 07:49.02 | Contrl | jelly: Yes, I can |
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| 07:51.36 | cart_man | how can I let Debian ReDownload and install all my PC Drivers? |
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| 07:53.18 | jelly | Contrl: and does the script work from an interactive shell? |
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| 07:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | cart_man, what PC Drivers |
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| 07:55.28 | cart_man | CutMeOwnThroat, My Display drivers in particular |
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| 07:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | cart_man, what is the actual problem |
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| 07:59.48 | mrtnt | Under Debian Wheezy permanent network configuration takes place in /etc/network/interfaces file. Is it possible to configure hwaddress for an interface without configuring other network parameters like address or netmask? |
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| 08:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrtnt, macchanger? |
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| 08:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | cart_man, point is... re-downloading anything won't help because debian stores the config... anyway, whatever the exact problem, the way to go about it is to find out what it is, find the cause, then fix it fix it |
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| 08:05.02 | jelly | mrtnt: you can use an "iface ... inet manual" stanza and put whatever commands you want as its "up" lines |
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| 08:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh wait... got a point there... only can change mac before it's up |
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| 08:06.45 | michaelis | Hi. Can I remove mono and all it's components from Debian? |
| 08:06.58 | michaelis | its |
| 08:07.08 | cart_man | CutMeOwnThroat, I had a Virtual Machine fo DEBIAN...then I made a Clone image and restored it on a Old computer |
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| 08:07.36 | cart_man | CutMeOwnThroat, So now I just need to install the drivers for the old machine...preferablly not one by one |
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| 08:10.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | cart_man, everything should be autodetected by xorg... if you're lacking the packages with drivers, first need to find out what they are.. |
| 08:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, what's my hardware |
| 08:10.38 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 08:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | lspci should usually do |
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| 08:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, gotta run, laters |
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| 08:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. lspci -n -v -v -v |grep VGA.control |
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| 08:19.05 | michaelis | Hey, just running apt-get remove --purge libmono* worked fine! Thank you for that. |
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| 08:27.43 | k222 | unable to open display ":0" |
| 08:28.02 | k222 | anyone know how to fix that ?;[ |
| 08:28.16 | shay_shay | k222: that depends on what you are trying to do |
| 08:28.34 | shay_shay | are you logging in directly or remotely? |
| 08:29.25 | k222 | remotely |
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| 08:30.29 | shay_shay | and youre trying to do x11 forwarding or not? |
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| 08:30.54 | k222 | no |
| 08:31.12 | SirLagz | k222: what application are you trying to run ? |
| 08:32.12 | mrtnt | CutMeOwnThroat, jelly: if I have following /etc/network/interfaces files like http://paste.debian.net/162874/ or http://paste.debian.net/162875/, then the /etc/init.d/networking start-up script complains that "Reconfiguring network interfaces...Missing required variable: address". |
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| 08:32.45 | cart_man | he left I believe |
| 08:32.49 | k222 | i'm trying to install perl |
| 08:33.00 | k222 | i'm doing ./Configure |
| 08:33.25 | shay_shay | :O |
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| 08:33.40 | jelly | k222: what's wrong with system perl |
| 08:33.43 | SirLagz | k222: why are you trying to isntall perl ? |
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| 08:34.26 | jelly | mrtnt: you want "inet manual" not "inet static" |
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| 08:35.44 | k222 | jelly it's not installed |
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| 08:35.58 | k222 | bash: perl: command not found |
| 08:36.05 | buu | How did you manage that? |
| 08:36.11 | buu | Does debian even run without perl? |
| 08:36.13 | jelly | k222: that... is hard to achieveon Debian. |
| 08:36.22 | jelly | k222: which debian release is this? |
| 08:36.24 | buu | And why would it be trying to open :0 |
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| 08:37.23 | k222 | 5.0 |
| 08:37.30 | shay_shay | :o |
| 08:37.31 | jelly | perl-base is Essential: yes, one has to go out of their way to remove it |
| 08:37.36 | k222 | :> |
| 08:37.45 | jelly | k222: what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 08:38.27 | k222 | 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:39.00 | jelly | k222: what does "dpkg -l perl-base|tail -1" say? |
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| 08:39.14 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 08:39.21 | ychaouche | I want to install php5.5 on my machine |
| 08:39.46 | ychaouche | Is it ok to get the package from dotdeb ? |
| 08:39.50 | ychaouche | https://www.dotdeb.org/2013/06/20/php-5-5-0-is-out-and-available-for-debian-7-0-wheezy/ |
| 08:39.59 | ychaouche | I do not have any previous PHP or Apache installation |
| 08:40.20 | jelly | ychaouche: we can't support dotdeb in here, any problems that arise you have to ask them about it |
| 08:40.43 | ychaouche | fair enough jell |
| 08:40.44 | ychaouche | y |
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| 08:41.07 | jelly | ychaouche: there's 5.6 in the upcoming jessie release |
| 08:41.09 | ychaouche | I have never installed php from the sources |
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| 08:41.26 | ychaouche | If it's not too risky maybe I should install from sources ? |
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| 08:42.09 | jelly | ychaouche: if you put it in a separate prefix like /opt/php5.5 it should not mess up the system too much |
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| 08:43.18 | ychaouche | jelly: isn't it /usr/local/ usually ? |
| 08:43.40 | shay_shay | as for backporting it the build deps are unsatisfiable according to judd |
| 08:43.45 | mrtnt | jelly: thanks! |
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| 08:44.33 | jelly | ychaouche: that might be the default prefix |
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| 08:45.45 | ychaouche | ok thanks jelly |
| 08:45.59 | ychaouche | Maybe I'll start with that and if I fail |
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| 08:46.09 | ychaouche | i'll search for alternatives |
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| 08:57.57 | ychaouche | humm |
| 08:58.05 | ychaouche | My own box has a portuguese locale |
| 08:58.34 | ychaouche | when I ssh to another box which should have the english locale, I see pt_US instead when I run locale |
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| 08:58.54 | ychaouche | Aren't the locales specific to each machine ? |
| 08:59.11 | ychaouche | (I would like to use en_US on some machines and keep pt on my machine) |
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| 09:00.27 | klys | check your environment variables before invoking ssh |
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| 09:01.20 | cart_man | can someone please link me a Driver repository foe Debian ? |
| 09:01.42 | klys | you can specify settings like VAR=val ssh user@1.2.3.4 |
| 09:02.47 | ychaouche | klys: I need to understand how locales work first. I don't think I do. I thought I'd set them in every machine then when I login to the machine (ssh or console) I'd automatically "aquire" those settings. |
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| 09:03.36 | klys | cart_man, any .deb drivers for a ebian kernel are in the same repository as the linux-image-* deb you downloaded. |
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| 09:06.19 | klys | I don't know all the locales tricks either; I uu. just use LC_ALL=utf8 fbterm ( =with input methods) and screen -U. |
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| 09:27.02 | ychaouche | a single hardlink to many files ? I don't think that makes sense |
| 09:27.28 | ychaouche | multiple hardlinks maybe |
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| 09:28.28 | ychaouche | if you want to group them you can put them in a directory. |
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| 09:29.32 | Exi_ | I'm sorry I didn't specify correctly, I want to have one command to make mutiple hard links to all those files in one command |
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| 09:29.42 | jelly | Exi_: make a for loop. |
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| 09:30.08 | SynrGy | a for loop or find -exec |
| 09:30.16 | erzo | how do i unzip 7zip files? |
| 09:30.34 | jelly | Exi_: eg. for i in /some/dir/hoofd*; do ln $i; done |
| 09:30.35 | SynrGy | erzo: with p7zip |
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| 09:30.42 | erzo | thx |
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| 09:45.05 | phix | Back! |
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| 09:45.48 | duckey | You know that one gnome shell that looks like fedora? Well I keep on trying to "gconftool -s /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager -t string gnome-shell" it. But It wont. Do I need to be root? What is going on? |
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| 10:13.48 | Guest42227 | Moins |
| 10:14.21 | ychaouche | Plus |
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| 10:18.07 | ChrisH | Sorry... wrong terminal tab |
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| 10:38.37 | Tumbtack | tests |
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| 10:46.08 | ychaouche | Failed [Z - exec shell to fix this situation] |
| 10:46.17 | ychaouche | anyone familiar with that error message from auto-apt ? |
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| 10:54.37 | ChrisH | ychaouche: there is information above that message. paste it to paste.debian.net but re-read the lines before |
| 10:55.11 | ychaouche | ChrisH: It clears the screen |
| 10:55.29 | ychaouche | but I will capture the output before screen cleanup and paste them |
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| 10:55.46 | ychaouche | or maybe redirect output to a file instead of stdin |
| 10:55.49 | ychaouche | sorry stdout |
| 10:57.43 | ychaouche | ChrisH: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/b79869ee8c6e42c0be27/raw/88467034f182d8d15de922a051edfafac6f3166d/gistfile1.txt |
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| 11:01.23 | ychaouche | humm I might try autodeb as well and see how it plays |
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| 11:06.59 | LeadCenobite | Hallo |
| 11:07.18 | ychaouche | Hey |
| 11:07.45 | LeadCenobite | I have installed libreoffice-l10n-de and opened LibreOffice. I changed the language in Settings and restarted Libreoffice now the German Language pack isn't there anymore |
| 11:07.53 | LeadCenobite | an LibreOffice is still in English |
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| 11:09.30 | LeadCenobite | that's why Linux won't be the most used OS |
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| 11:10.57 | humbag | what is a cenobit? |
| 11:11.00 | cmdgy | Hi there, I'm tring to find a free OS that can run on IBM Power. Is debian an optional choice for me? as I found it does supports ppc64 arch. |
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| 11:11.35 | LeadCenobite | humbag: they are travelling scientists who explore Masochism |
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| 11:12.40 | LeadCenobite | just watch hellraiser |
| 11:13.08 | LeadCenobite | IT IS BULLCRAP |
| 11:13.20 | LeadCenobite | why can't I apt-get remove libreoffice -.- |
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| 11:14.14 | mag009 | hey anyone around ? |
| 11:14.22 | mag009 | question regarding debian jessie |
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| 11:14.50 | mag009 | I'm trying to bind apache2.4 on multi ip using vhost |
| 11:15.25 | mag009 | Listen 10.136.1.34:80 |
| 11:15.25 | mag009 | <VirtualHost 10.136.1.34:80 > |
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| 11:17.00 | musca | LeadCenobite: please post output of your apt command on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:17.43 | fraff | mag009: Listen 80 then, <VirtualHost 10.136.1.34:80> ... <VirtualHost 10.136.1.35:80> ... |
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| 11:18.43 | fraff | mag009: hold on, it migth be wrong |
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| 11:21.03 | mag009 | apache refuse to start when I do that |
| 11:21.12 | mag009 | apache2ctl -S return ok |
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| 11:22.02 | zoobab | c/win 18 |
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| 11:22.15 | lod__ | mag009, check log files |
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| 11:24.53 | mag009 | journalctl -x says nothing |
| 11:25.06 | mag009 | systemctl run successfully and apache 0 error |
| 11:25.10 | mag009 | just exit silently |
| 11:25.41 | lod__ | systemctl status apache2 says ok, too? |
| 11:27.03 | mag009 | (98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
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| 11:27.17 | mag009 | but I don't want to bind on all interfaces.. |
| 11:27.28 | mag009 | I'm specifing in each vhost the ip |
| 11:27.44 | ChrisH | mag009: check ports.conf file |
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| 11:28.55 | LeadCenobite | got it |
| 11:29.03 | mag009 | Listen 80 |
| 11:29.04 | mag009 | Listen 443 |
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| 11:30.48 | mag009 | actually the error is the following |
| 11:30.50 | mag009 | The apache2 instance did not start within 20 seconds. Please read the log files to discover problems ... (warning) |
| 11:30.58 | mag009 | but it started my processes |
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| 11:31.25 | Svetlana | what does the ``Source: <some other package name>'' mean in apt-get show output? |
| 11:31.30 | lod__ | looks like there is something wrong in you vhost file |
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| 11:32.53 | nkuttler | Svetlana: the name of the source package |
| 11:33.14 | nkuttler | Svetlana: e.g. multiple kernel packages built from one source |
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| 11:33.24 | Svetlana | nkuttler: what does it mean 'source package for X is Y'? |
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| 11:33.46 | Svetlana | oh. so the source code for X is in the Y package? |
| 11:34.28 | nkuttler | Svetlana: yes |
| 11:34.51 | Svetlana | thanks, that explains it. anywhere i can find it in man pages without going to irc and the web? :-) |
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| 11:35.06 | Svetlana | i tried man apt-get, but it's not there as far as i could see. |
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| 11:35.12 | nkuttler | Svetlana: it? |
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| 11:35.40 | Svetlana | yes, the things you just told me - that source for a package can be in another package, and that it's what the Source: line means. |
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| 11:36.23 | nkuttler | Svetlana: probably the policy, or the maintainer guide |
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| 11:36.41 | nkuttler | Svetlana: ah, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcePackage |
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| 11:37.00 | Svetlana | where are they on my computer? is there a package to get all this wiki documentation to my computer? |
| 11:37.25 | Svetlana | i am trying to avoid relying on the web, man pages are rather cool in this respect |
| 11:37.30 | nkuttler | Svetlana: source packages are not installed by default. apt-get source for that |
| 11:37.42 | nkuttler | no idea about the wiki source |
| 11:37.57 | nkuttler | Svetlana: debian policy etc. are available with apt-get |
| 11:37.58 | Svetlana | yes, i find this web page a useful reference, but i would not like to save them all by hand :-) |
| 11:38.11 | Svetlana | ok |
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| 11:38.30 | nkuttler | Svetlana: you can also ask in #debian-mentors @ oftc |
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| 11:38.46 | Svetlana | ta |
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| 11:38.52 | nkuttler | !tell Svetlana about nmg |
| 11:39.05 | nkuttler | the new maint guide probably also explains this |
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| 11:40.38 | Svetlana | thank you, nkuttler |
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| 11:58.08 | rgr | that's the kind of Q that prompts the answer "if you need to ask since you can't find it then you probably shouldn't need to know".... :) |
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| 11:58.58 | paddy| | riddles |
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| 12:00.05 | paddy| | grand dadies of linux told me that line before :) |
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| 12:00.40 | jelly | Keridos: there's /lib/systemd/system for the defaults, and /etc/systemd/system for your own overrides |
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| 12:03.45 | jelly | Keridos: as referenced in man systemd.unit (see also SEE ALSO) |
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| 12:07.08 | ntz | how do I check all available packages of "apache2" including versions ? |
| 12:07.18 | ntz | apt-cache dumpavail apache2 |
| 12:07.25 | ntz | ^^ does not exactly what I want |
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| 12:09.41 | isthisreallife | how to add write access for user to given directory |
| 12:09.47 | ntz | eg `yum --showduplicates list httpd' in el6 |
| 12:10.14 | ntz | isthisreallife: read please a chmod/chown/unix access rights tutorial |
| 12:10.30 | ntz | and or the ACL |
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| 12:10.47 | Keridos | ah ok jelly found it |
| 12:10.51 | jelly | ntz: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 12:10.59 | ntz | thanks !! |
| 12:11.35 | isthisreallife | ok works now |
| 12:12.55 | ntz | jelly: http://fpaste.org/202002/19912914/raw/ .... so the squeezeN is the build no ? eg the squeeze 14 is just build #14 from same 2.22.16 sources, thanks |
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| 12:14.43 | jelly | ntz: the whole "2.2.16-6+squeeze14" is a package version. "aptitude changelog packagename" will tell you what got changed if the package is not installed yet |
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| 12:15.13 | ntz | hmm, thanks, I think I understand now good |
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| 12:15.34 | ntz | I know that it's the whole version string |
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| 12:16.38 | jelly | !debian revision |
| 12:16.38 | dpkg | from memory, debian revision is a number added to the package number to show that the Debian maintainers for the package have had a number of attempts at the packaging. The Debian revision is the string after the last - in the version (1.2.3-5 has a Debian revision of 5) and will also indicate a security update (e.g.1+squeeze2) or an NMU. Ask me about <nmu> <binnmu> <compare versions> <version epoch>, or see section 5.6.12 of <policy>. |
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| 12:37.33 | Dixi____ | im not so familiar with ftp/lftp. |
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| 12:50.41 | mag009 | finally I found my problem .. I used the apache2.conf from wheezy -> jessie not a good idea.. |
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| 12:56.53 | n0b0dy | hi all, the default debian TTY font is uni2/uni3 terminus/fixed. what does the uni2/3 stand for? i see that there is a terminus font package on other distros, but uni2/3 is debian(and ubuntu?) only. |
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| 12:59.49 | netan | hi all, are inotify or some similar package included in debian ? |
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| 13:00.11 | masterkorp | hello |
| 13:00.26 | masterkorp | i am having some conflicts with the package postgresql |
| 13:00.28 | masterkorp | https://www.zerobin.net/?4b4efa69172a221e#8EZ99bTkS/XxlTBRb4x/+l3Y6n/1ToOKF10d1N3S93w= |
| 13:00.49 | masterkorp | runing dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install does nothing |
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| 13:01.26 | netan | I remember I been using such a tool before on this machine but I don't know if I forgot the command or been removing it by mistake |
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| 13:06.03 | Jazz` | exit |
| 13:06.08 | kodapa | exit |
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| 13:07.04 | ntz | jelly: is there a way to print in some easy-to-parse-way-from-script complete list of available/installed packages including versions and source ? |
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| 13:07.27 | ntz | jelly: eg https://github.com/dpecka/my_trash_bin/blob/master/csvize_yum_list.pl .... |
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| 13:15.18 | judd | Package: mpv on i386 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.8.3-1; experimental: 0.8.3-1+ffmpeg; sid-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1 |
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| 13:36.24 | ChrisH | Dixi____: make yourself familiar with either scp and keybased login (prefered way) or curl |
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| 14:09.44 | sizzd | hi. what can cause that my $PATH changes automatically? /sbin dissappeared. normally I login via ssh. I logged in directly on that machine and after that when i login via ssh again $PATH has no /sbin . whats happenign here? |
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| 14:10.06 | Tau | what is the package that i need in order to program in haskell? |
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| 14:13.49 | sizzd | Tau: ghc ? |
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| 14:16.47 | ChrisH | sizzd: /etc/profile /etc/bash* ~/.profile ~/.bash* are candidates |
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| 14:24.28 | ris | is it a known bug that non-guided encrypted LVM setup on jessie's d-i is completely fucked? |
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| 14:30.12 | duckey | just installed jessie. mad props to debian developers. Did an awesome job. But, Its saying the "sudo" command Is gone. Is that a thing or must a user use root now? |
| 14:31.16 | phy1729 | dont set a root password on install and sudo gets installed |
| 14:32.01 | duckey | I set a root passwd though |
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| 14:32.15 | duckey | oh |
| 14:32.19 | duckey | nevermind |
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| 14:32.28 | duckey | How do I install sudo? |
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| 14:33.02 | duckey | Im guessing apt-get install sudo |
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| 14:33.08 | duckey | so...it worked |
| 14:33.15 | duckey | thanks, I guess? |
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| 14:35.09 | mjkr | if i have an init script with the Should-Start beforeserv line. i then started the script without beforeserv started. will init then try to start beforeserv? |
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| 14:36.56 | rovar | Hey all, I'm trying to install from a mirror I downloaded locally via apt-mirror |
| 14:37.07 | rovar | the syslog on the booting machines tries: wget -q http://172.16.11.1/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Release -O - | grep ^Architecture |
| 14:37.26 | rovar | and then says WARNING: ** bad d-i packages file. |
| 14:37.34 | rovar | but that wget/grep succeeds |
| 14:37.47 | rovar | so I guess I'm trying to figure out what its looking for that it can't find |
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| 14:40.05 | rovar | ah.. I think I have found the issue.. need moar repos, specifically main/debian-installer |
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| 14:41.55 | Juslintek | Hey, what is the best solution for making beckups of /var/www and mysql at the same time and same pack? |
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| 14:42.17 | ychaouche | what do you mean by same pack ? |
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| 14:42.32 | Juslintek | ychauche zipped together |
| 14:43.04 | Juslintek | ychauche, would be nice if they would be depacked as packed and installed to mysql and /var/www with some wizard |
| 14:43.20 | Juslintek | wizard based automated www/mysql backupa and restore |
| 14:43.24 | Juslintek | migration |
| 14:43.31 | ychaouche | wil the backup be on the same machine or different machine ? |
| 14:44.01 | Juslintek | backup can be made locally then transferred via ftp or some other protocol to remote storage machine |
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| 14:44.13 | Juslintek | well I guess backup will be store locally |
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| 14:44.17 | Juslintek | stored* |
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| 14:44.24 | Juslintek | sorry remotely* |
| 14:44.27 | Juslintek | not locally |
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| 14:44.54 | ychaouche | I am using rsync to make backups. I am also using rsync to restore backups. |
| 14:44.59 | Juslintek | but zipping process and automation script will be done locally |
| 14:45.46 | ychaouche | basically what I do is create another directory that will mirror the directory I want to backup |
| 14:45.58 | ychaouche | using rsync will speed things up by copying only new files |
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| 14:46.07 | ychaouche | I mean changed files (new or deleted) |
| 14:46.37 | ychaouche | you can then zip that directory and add a date as a suffix |
| 14:46.44 | ychaouche | for mysql you can use mysqldump |
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| 14:47.04 | ychaouche | and add that to the same directory where you will store your /var/www backups |
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| 14:48.07 | Juslintek | ychouche, I guess that would require custom bash with cronjob |
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| 14:48.44 | ychaouche | you'll have to write a small shell script for both backup and restore yeah. In most cases it won't exceed 10 lines |
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| 14:49.41 | ychaouche | Then you add a line in your crontab (with crontab -e) to execute the backup script at the desired frequency |
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| 14:50.11 | duckey | On jessie. How can I get gnome 15? |
| 14:50.25 | Juslintek | ychauche, I found this: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=backuppc |
| 14:50.43 | ychaouche | Is it ok to rely on the output of the whereis command to in /etc/init.d scripts ? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/d8157de371cbd56eb49c/raw/c0d9ea9e07f53d363003fc0338b2547ec5026311/gistfile1.txt |
| 14:51.09 | ychaouche | I am using whereis to find the binary of the desired daemon (nginx in my case) |
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| 14:51.24 | ychaouche | nginx was installed from sources so it put everything in /usr/local/nginx |
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| 14:53.08 | duckey | hello? |
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| 14:54.10 | ychaouche | duckey: su |
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| 14:54.23 | duckey | yeah, and? |
| 14:54.34 | centrx | Gnome 15 is this? https://launchpad.net/gnome15 |
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| 14:55.10 | ychaouche | what is it you're trying to do duckey ? |
| 14:55.26 | duckey | install gnome 15 from the jessie backports |
| 14:55.28 | ychaouche | duckey: I don't undertand the problem very well. There is no sudo in debian IIRC. |
| 14:55.41 | ychaouche | duckey: then su and install it |
| 14:55.42 | duckey | never mind that. I fixed it |
| 14:55.42 | centrx | of course there is |
| 14:56.01 | duckey | I am talking about gnome 15 |
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| 14:56.15 | ychaouche | duckey: what is the relationship with sudo then ? |
| 14:56.30 | duckey | Nothing. I fixed that now. |
| 14:56.34 | ychaouche | Oh ok :) |
| 14:56.38 | duckey | Yeah |
| 14:56.58 | duckey | So, gnome 15. How can Install from jessie backports? |
| 14:57.09 | duckey | I love it and crave it! |
| 14:57.11 | duckey | lol |
| 14:57.17 | ychaouche | I really don't know. Maybe some gnome friends will help you. Be patient. |
| 14:57.49 | ychaouche | I think it usually has something to do with adding a new source to your /etc/apt/source.list |
| 14:57.54 | duckey | okay, thanks. I think I may go to the debian forum. |
| 14:58.04 | centrx | Looks like Gnome15 is unmaintained for many years |
| 14:58.10 | ychaouche | but you should probably remove it right after you install whatever you need |
| 14:58.21 | ychaouche | otherwise it can break the system in future installs. |
| 14:58.32 | duckey | Oh, crap |
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| 14:58.59 | ychaouche | I'm not talking about Gnome 15 specifically, but adding new sources to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:59.08 | duckey | Oh |
| 14:59.09 | ychaouche | especially from testing |
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| 14:59.23 | duckey | Yeah, had stuff in past :) |
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| 15:00.15 | ychaouche | Juslintek: why not give it a try |
| 15:00.27 | ychaouche | Juslintek: maybe it will make your life easier |
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| 15:01.32 | ychaouche | Juslintek: then you don't have to write scripts or struggle with the crontab syntax |
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| 15:03.44 | Castile | Hey all, anyone have any recommendations for cloning multiple disk to disks in debian? Apart from Clonezilla? |
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| 15:05.38 | rovar | ah, in addition to adding main/debian-installer I also had to symlink testing to jessie |
| 15:05.44 | rovar | getting farther now |
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| 15:05.57 | rovar | Castile, dd? :) |
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| 15:06.19 | ychaouche | apparently you can do that with dd |
| 15:06.23 | ychaouche | Castile: http://www.almahdi.cc/linux/clone-disks-using-linux-dd/ |
| 15:06.36 | ychaouche | something like dd if=/dev/disk1 of=/dev/disk2 |
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| 15:07.24 | ychaouche | rovar beat me to it :) |
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| 15:07.31 | Castile | rovar, I tried dd as well, the problem is the free space and the time it takes |
| 15:07.45 | rovar | true story |
| 15:07.48 | ychaouche | free space ? |
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| 15:10.06 | kline | i have a jessie machine with both jessie and wheezy in sources.list, and im trying specifically to install wheezys apache and php packages. here's what im doing and what im seeing - im unsure why the listed packages arent going to be installed (other than they arent the most recent), and how i can tell apt-get to do so: http://paste.debian.net/162934 |
| 15:10.11 | Castile | To set up my situation here, I am building a system to handle cloning drives from images and to do disk to disk clones. Afterwards the drives go to our production line to be integrated with computers |
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| 15:11.14 | Castile | Right now we have the production line doing their own clones via Windows and Acronis, the problem is Acronis limits them to 1 drive at a time, and the system we engineered will do it faster |
| 15:11.35 | Castile | right now to do a clone from an SSD to an SSD it takes I think around 2 minutes |
| 15:12.01 | module000 | Castile: and you want to `dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb`, and are noticing that if 'sdb' is larger than 'sda', you appear to lose the extra capacity? |
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| 15:13.28 | Castile | module000, well the problem with doing dd is that these drives typically have 3-4 partitions, total data usage is around 30-40GB |
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| 15:14.03 | Castile | doing dd takes hours, vs the acronis windows benchmark of 2 minutes |
| 15:14.17 | module000 | Castile: blocksize? |
| 15:14.40 | module000 | Castile: eg.. `dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc` on a 512GB ssd will take (seemingly) forever. while `dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=8M` will take minutes |
| 15:14.49 | Castile | interesting |
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| 15:15.24 | module000 | you can adjust the blocksize to match the drives reading capability as closely as possible for the highest speed |
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| 15:16.00 | Castile | module000: I will take another go at it, I was reading where people were adjusting block sizes, but the result wasn't immensely faster |
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| 15:16.52 | module000 | Castile: ideal block size is different from drive to drive... this is a program that finds the optimal blocksize for a set of hardware, by testing various settings: https://github.com/sampablokuper/dd-opt |
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| 15:17.03 | module000 | i usually start at 64k though, your milage may vary :) |
| 15:17.21 | arca_vorago | Anyone know if I set a debian dhcp server to have a different default gateway than what it sends to clients, will that affect anything? |
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| 15:17.26 | Castile | module000: You answered my next question before I could even ask :) |
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| 15:50.30 | duckey | I tried to install play on linux and got, http://pastebin.com/Ys8tzY33 So can I not have play on linux on 8? |
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| 15:51.50 | bazhang | ,v playonlinux |
| 15:51.51 | judd | Package: playonlinux on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 3.7.6-1; wheezy/contrib: 4.1.1-1; sid/contrib: 4.2.5-1; jessie/contrib: 4.2.5-1 |
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| 15:52.03 | duckey | So, I can? |
| 15:52.31 | duckey | bazhang, Can I get play on linux? |
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| 16:20.57 | crhylove | I have a cron job that apparently is not running, even though the other 3 I set up the same way are running perfectly. Anyone want to grok this and give me some idea? |
| 16:21.10 | crhylove | 30 4 1 * * /root/rsnapshot-wrapper.sh monthly |
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| 16:21.43 | crhylove | The hourly, daily, and weekly jobs that are virtually the same are working perfectly. And running the command by hand also produces desired results. |
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| 16:22.42 | centrx | crhylove, This one runs only on the first day of the month? |
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| 16:25.30 | exptom | not sure if this is the best place to ask but i'm looking for advice on best practice for setting up a CA for our organisation (small company) to issue certs for our internal apps. i've been reading "bulletproof ssl and tls book" that recommends and offline root and then a subordinate CA that issues certs. been trying to find some debian centric articles on what an offline ca might look like. could this be something like a customised live CD with the |
| 16:25.30 | exptom | private keys on a smart card? any advice welcome :) |
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| 16:26.16 | crhylove | centrx: Yes. It's the monthly snapshot. |
| 16:27.05 | ChrisH | exptom: there are lots of howtos on the web when searching for openssl and CA.pl |
| 16:28.12 | exptom | ChrisH: ive found alot to do with using openssl to generate all the certs/crls etc.. but im struggling to find much about how I might organise an offline rootca setup other than "your root ca should be offline" |
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| 16:29.54 | crhylove | On the plus side, I've only lost one weekly backup since I noticed the problem. LOL |
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| 16:42.23 | Juslintek | Anyone know any tutorials on super fast debian based low resource consuming and very efficient on high loads as well server? :-D |
| 16:42.33 | Juslintek | I mean how to build one |
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| 16:42.53 | Juslintek | I've created my CMS |
| 16:43.19 | Juslintek | but its loads up to 7 seconds when loaded with all social and SEO 3rd plugins. |
| 16:43.31 | Juslintek | Without them 2 secs |
| 16:43.44 | Juslintek | I want to use server resources to make loading 2 secs |
| 16:43.47 | Majikthise | then your problem lies in the application layer, not in the OS |
| 16:44.08 | marvn | maybe try some cache plugin? OS tweaks won't help you much here... |
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| 16:44.31 | Majikthise | best to look into something like APC if using PHP, or else maybe cache some stuff via nginx |
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| 16:48.30 | ntz | hello |
| 16:49.25 | ntz | JFMI: I needed to do today boot with init=/bin/bash .... it surprisingly imported only dev/mapper/root but not dev/mapper/{usr,var,whatever} |
| 16:49.38 | ntz | what's the trick to import the rest ? |
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| 16:49.55 | ntz | I just rebooted to knoppix livecd and resolved it like that |
| 16:51.02 | rovar | is there a way to make the preseed installation default to 'continue' ? It flashes stupid errors because I am installing jessie/testing, so it can't find some repos, and the only option is to continue, but this obviously breaks unattended installs |
| 16:51.19 | ceetgs | when will jessie be stable? |
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| 16:51.45 | centrx | ceetgs, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00002.html |
| 16:52.28 | ceetgs | centrx: thanks |
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| 16:53.48 | rovar | I've tried disabling the updates and backports repos in the preeseed with apt-setup/updates boolean false |
| 16:53.53 | rovar | it still tries to install them. |
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| 16:54.10 | rovar | also, I tell grub to install to the MBR, and it asks anyways |
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| 17:11.01 | Yukkii | Anyone here use Synergy cross platform? |
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| 17:23.31 | qjqqyy | firefox won't start: [ 2619.906196] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed |
| 17:23.35 | qjqqyy | is this serious? |
| 17:23.40 | qjqqyy | i meant iceweasel |
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| 17:26.34 | bw_ | i'm looking for a way to install the "extlinux" package because i need the binary for an embedded project, but i dont want use extlinux as bootloader, any pointers? |
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| 17:27.35 | jelly | qjqqyy: that's a possible bad sector on the HDD |
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| 17:28.01 | bw_ | qjqqyy: you should check your disk with smarttools |
| 17:28.04 | jelly | qjqqyy: make sure you have backups |
| 17:28.30 | jelly | smartmontools may or may not show anything useful |
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| 17:28.55 | qjqqyy | yea i do have backups thanks for the tip guys |
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| 17:41.35 | dontknow | it says "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." |
| 17:41.45 | dontknow | ? |
| 17:41.58 | greycat | on this network, or on OFTC? |
| 17:42.11 | dontknow | greycat, this |
| 17:42.15 | greycat | read the /topic for it |
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| 17:42.29 | dontknow | ah! ok |
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| 17:43.40 | dontknow | it looks like jessie doesn't update iceweasel timely manner |
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| 17:44.14 | CissWit | jessie use the ESR version of iceweasel |
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| 17:44.36 | dontknow | CissWit, yes. but it is outdated version of esr |
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| 17:45.35 | dontknow | look at versions section https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
| 17:46.59 | CissWit | well i don't know how they are to upgrade iceweasel, but jessie is freezed |
| 17:47.17 | CissWit | so once it is released you will be able to use backports on mozilla.debian.net to get an updated version |
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| 17:48.15 | centrx | The ESR is kept updated after the release |
| 17:48.24 | dontknow | unstable:31.5.3esr-1 and testing:31.5.0esr-1 i think this is ridiculous. testing should get iceweasel like unstable |
| 17:48.35 | centrx | The security update for iceweasel should be in jessie soon, until that time you can get the version from unstable |
| 17:48.38 | centrx | That's not how testing works |
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| 17:50.02 | dontknow | centrx, i think it should be updated immediately. updating iceweasel is not going to make jessie unstable obviously |
| 17:50.16 | dontknow | so why wait? |
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| 17:51.54 | centrx | dontknow, Why are you so sure the new version has no bugs? |
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| 17:52.32 | centrx | dontknow, anyway, it's automated |
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| 17:57.01 | dontknow | jessie has shadow bug that gnome devs fixed |
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| 17:57.29 | dontknow | because of it has old version of gnome |
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| 18:03.12 | edoardo | hello |
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| 18:03.29 | edoardo | how may i run an LSB init script as a specific user? |
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| 18:19.45 | verve | in sshd_config, is there any way to do a Match block, on an Address, and perform an exec to get the address? eg: Match Address exec "[ echo blah blah ]", and Address would use exec's output for its address? |
| 18:19.53 | verve | i can't figure it out, maybe because it's not possible |
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| 18:20.26 | hotwings | does the debian testing netinstall iso/partitioner support creating a uefi install? |
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| 18:22.40 | Brigo | hotwings, i think so, as far as there is a grub-uefi. |
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| 18:26.36 | hotwings | hmm weird |
| 18:26.43 | hotwings | i must have missed it somehow |
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| 18:29.24 | bazhang | ,v gnome |
| 18:29.26 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+3 |
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| 19:02.08 | jhutchins | !testing installer |
| 19:02.08 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:24.07 | FlyingPersian | i followed this tutorial here, the custom.conf is important, disregared the rest: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/FTP-Server_unter_Debian_einrichten#Konfiguration |
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| 19:25.01 | FlyingPersian | I tried adding a 2nd line with DefaultRoot and DefaultGroup for the 2nd user, didn't work. I listed the 2nd user in the line of the 1. user, seperated by a comma, which worked, but didn't lock them in their respective folder. they could go through the entire server |
| 19:25.13 | FlyingPersian | then I created custom2.conf for the 2nd user and it doesn't work |
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| 19:27.46 | towo` | with a lightweight wm, sure |
| 19:28.06 | swift110 | towo`: like openbox |
| 19:28.22 | towo` | for example |
| 19:28.26 | towo` | or fluxbox |
| 19:28.30 | towo` | or lxde |
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| 19:29.17 | CME | mate works fine too, but you need a gtk theme without gradients |
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| 19:33.25 | swift110 | wow mate' i love that one |
| 19:33.28 | swift110 | ok |
| 19:33.41 | swift110 | whats an example of a gtk theme without gradients |
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| 19:36.30 | Brigo | i think i have mate with gradients -jessie mate default- |
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| 19:38.36 | Brigo | with multiple open tabs, of course. |
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| 20:48.23 | dimitry7 | Hey Guys |
| 20:48.30 | rainfyre | hiya |
| 20:48.47 | dimitry7 | Is it possible to encrypt a FS in an already unencrypted Debian ? |
| 20:49.07 | dimitry7 | I mean, to encrypt all the root partition. |
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| 20:50.25 | rainfyre | dimitry7: i've seen guides online explaining how to do that, personally i just reinstalled |
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| 20:51.38 | marus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:55.38 | dimitry7 | rainfyre, thank you man |
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| 20:55.56 | dimitry7 | marus, ok I will loook for them |
| 20:56.37 | dimitry7 | Guys |
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| 20:56.52 | dimitry7 | this is important... this is an instance in Amazon EC2 |
| 20:57.05 | dimitry7 | so there is no way I can boot to encrypt as guides suggest. |
| 20:57.33 | marus | dimitry7: can you reinstall? |
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| 20:58.38 | dimitry7 | marus, in AWS you use already pre-installed templates of Operating Systems |
| 20:59.17 | dimitry7 | you they ask what OS do you need? I choose a Debian / Windows / Unix, whatever template and that's it, I can login to my OS via SSH |
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| 20:59.49 | dimitry7 | marus, so there is no way to reinstall |
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| 21:02.16 | marus | dimitry7:did you try this https://www.debian-administration.org/article/639/Encrypting_an_existing_Debian_lenny_installation ? |
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| 21:03.34 | duckx0r | dimitry7, According to here: http://www.ravellosystems.com/blog/install-iso-image-aws-google-cloud/ you can just install the OS yourself instead of using a pre-installed virtual server |
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| 21:04.03 | greycat | wonders what "aws-google-cloud" has to do with Amazon EC2 |
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| 21:06.57 | sebboh | greycat, don't blog systems sometimes remove "and", "or", "the", etc when constructing a link from a title? |
| 21:07.14 | greycat | And while I have never made an encrypted root file system in Debian, I have to think the "boot from a LiveCD in order to make a backup, create an encrypted partition and copy back the root filesystem contents" step in marus's link may be a non-starter for dimitry7 |
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| 21:10.17 | sebboh | dimitry7: Get this working on a local VM first, then add encryption (if there isn't a config setting for that), then switch it to EC2. http://andsens.github.io/bootstrap-vz/ |
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| 21:10.46 | greycat | sebboh: I had no idea "aws" and "Amazon EC2" meant the same thing |
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| 21:10.59 | dimitry7 | duckx0r, thats for google cloud |
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| 21:11.21 | dimitry7 | I can mount the whole root partition in another instance, then encrypted, how would that be? |
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| 21:11.32 | sebboh | But I can't think of a reasonable way to boot the thing without having Amazon know your keys/passphrase/whatever. I mean... They own the ram at runtime, so... |
| 21:11.46 | duckx0r | dimitry7, lol I didn't even notice. Good ol' Google not giving me what I search for. |
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| 21:12.28 | sebboh | greycat: I think EC2 is one of the products under the AWS umbrella. I'm not aware of Debian running inside any Amazon product other than EC2 (which is the zen-derived virtualization product). |
| 21:12.39 | dimitry7 | duckx0r, hehe, well this is easier, think about mounting / in another fs, then encrypt it |
| 21:13.02 | duckx0r | dimitry7, sorry I'm not really following the conversation. But good luck. |
| 21:13.09 | dimitry7 | sebboh, Xen, yes. It is haha. |
| 21:13.17 | dimitry7 | duckx0r, hehe, ok man thanks! |
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| 21:13.42 | dimitry7 | There must be something |
| 21:13.47 | dimitry7 | http://manurevah.com/blah/en/p/Encrypt-a-Hard-Drive-Lazy-Guide |
| 21:13.51 | dimitry7 | may be that? |
| 21:13.56 | sebboh | The link I provided allows you to create your own custom disk images for EC2. ... |
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| 21:14.28 | sebboh | Like, you can add your own "template" to the AWS console. |
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| 21:14.59 | dimitry7 | sebboh, i'd like that, but I already have an instance |
| 21:15.09 | dimitry7 | so to do that would take me days to set it up |
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| 21:15.43 | sebboh | oh. Well don't shut your instance off. By default, the filesystem is destroyed at that time. This is configurable... :P |
| 21:15.48 | sebboh | (AWS is weird!) |
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| 21:23.30 | dimitry7 | sebboh, really? would that destroy my FS? |
| 21:23.36 | dimitry7 | my fu*** god :( |
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| 21:28.19 | l_r | hi |
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| 21:28.45 | l_r | is there a channel specific for development on debian? |
| 21:28.55 | sebboh | dimitry7: sorry, I said that wrong. You don't want to "terminate" the instance using the AWS console or other means. "terminate" = "delete EBS volume (filesystem)". An in-OS shutdown should be OK. ...But check. There should be some option to mark a specific volume as "never delete". |
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| 21:29.47 | dimitry7 | sebboh, yes there is, I don't want to terminate |
| 21:29.52 | dimitry7 | just shut it down |
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| 21:31.29 | abrotman | l_r: Just ask, we'll redirect you if there's a better place |
| 21:31.55 | sebboh | During installation, I am offered some pre-fab collections of packages. Like "desktop environment" and "print server". Now that my installation is done, can see a list of those and pick one for installation? |
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| 21:33.03 | l_r | basically i need to build a .deb in which i need to specific a specific arch on which it can be installed, it seems the arch field can only be generic as "armhf" instead of "armv7-a" for example |
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| 21:33.37 | kzimir | hello, I have a question on the configuration of fetchmail. I saw some .fetchmailrc examples, each storing the password in plaintext. I configured msmtp just before, and I used the command passwordeval to use a gpg-encrypted file containing the password. I think this is also possible in mutt. I looked on duckduckgo to find a way of doing the same in fetchmail, and also searched password and gpg in the man page, but couldn |
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| 21:35.09 | dutchfish | sebboh, tasksel can be run after install time, to change/add those |
| 21:35.24 | dutchfish | !tasksel |
| 21:35.24 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 21:36.09 | sebboh | dutchfish: thanks! |
| 21:36.21 | dutchfish | yw |
| 21:36.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | kzimir, just FYI... your line is cut off after "but could"... (and I don't think fetchmail can do that, but also cannot claim that authoritatively) |
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| 21:39.13 | kzimir | CutMeOwnThroat: the message ends by "couldnt find anything. Is there a way of storing the password not in plain text?". thanks for your intervention, I will wait here a bit before giving up on this task then :) |
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| 21:41.30 | dutchfish | kzimir, in short you cant, but... Store the .fetchmailrc in an encrypted filesystem (possibly ecryptfs or encfs) and symlink it to ~/. |
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| 21:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I was thinking of that, too... |
| 21:42.23 | kzimir | dutchfish: thanks, I will look into that |
| 21:42.30 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 21:42.57 | swift110 | back |
| 21:43.13 | kzimir | if I dont save the password, fetchmail will prompt me for it, wont it ? |
| 21:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | the question in any case is of course how you get the password there |
| 21:43.29 | dutchfish | kzimir, right |
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| 21:43.51 | kzimir | ok, that will do for now. thanks for your help :) |
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| 21:45.10 | dutchfish | kzimir, that are even better ways, but that involves alot of work iow make it aware of a backend storage of your own, either db driven or encrypted fs |
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| 21:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ey |
| 21:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's fetchmail |
| 21:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it sucks |
| 21:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it sucks with pop3 |
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| 21:50.20 | kzimir | Im not even sure if I need fetchmail in the first place |
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| 21:53.26 | dutchfish | kzimir, there are alternatives like balsa, getmail4, couriermaildrop, dma, wmbiff and others |
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| 21:54.28 | dutchfish | kzimir, in depends on your needs and what you want |
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| 21:55.56 | kzimir | dutchfish: for now Im just messing around mutt, following HOWTOs and trying to build something that works |
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| 21:57.07 | trysten | hello #debian! i need a lil help with apache. how do i get ScriptLog to work? i found some posts talking about how the file needed to be already created and have the correct permissions, but even after i do this i get no output for CGI debugging |
| 21:57.58 | trysten | does the php5 apache mod have a different logging mechanism? how would i find it? |
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| 21:58.56 | dutchfish | trysten, besides the php5 mod for apache2 you need php5 itself and properly setup your apache2 for it |
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| 21:59.46 | trysten | dutchfish: php is installed and working. but i need to debug a php app |
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| 22:00.40 | dutchfish | trysten, you can do that either by enabling debug in the php5 config file or use php5-cli |
| 22:00.46 | trysten | i had php5-cgi installed and working. but i read in the package description that users would prefer libapache2-mod-php5 and i do not know the difference |
| 22:00.55 | trysten | dutchfish: cool! thank you |
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| 22:01.49 | dutchfish | trysten, if you expect a large load you can go by a nifty install of cgi, for modest load the generic mod is fine |
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| 22:02.34 | trysten | dutchfish: so what is the differnece between mod_cgi (the generic you speak of?) and mod_php5? |
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| 22:03.52 | sebboh | Is WannaBuild still a thing? |
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| 22:04.41 | dutchfish | trysten, if you have a test envirenment try them out, also fastcgi |
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| 22:05.17 | dutchfish | trysten, it all depends if you have a need for process separation and caching of code and the reosurces it takes |
| 22:05.29 | dutchfish | resourcs* |
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| 22:06.50 | dutchfish | trysten, http://www.fastcgi.com/mod_fastcgi/docs/mod_fastcgi.html |
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| 22:08.10 | swift110 | hmm |
| 22:08.13 | trysten | dutchfish: my need is to get debug messages XD |
| 22:09.33 | dutchfish | trysten, sudo aptitude show php5-xdebug |
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| 22:11.26 | dutchfish | trysten, also in your script you could do something like <?php ini_set('display_errors', 'On'); ?> |
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| 22:12.19 | dutchfish | trysten, and read the manuals or a good book |
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| 22:15.13 | dutchfish | trysten, i use myself the cli alot and owrking in small modules |
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| 22:15.50 | dutchfish | (during development) |
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| 22:17.13 | warbaque | I added 1 disk to my raid array, started reshaping, and then remebered that I forgot to partition the drive. So I partitioned and readded the disk. How could I speed up the process? https://bpaste.net/show/430b8eae3a01 |
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| 22:27.09 | sebboh | Many of my machines depend on some non-free packages like virtualbox-guest-additions. Well, I just discovered this when I built a new machine that doesn't check non-free repos. Uhm... Can I add non-free but filter out all the packages except that one? (That way, I'd get updates in the way I'm used to, etc.) |
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| 22:29.38 | overjoyedpulp | you can add the non-free repo by adding non-free to sources.list and then you can use apt pinning to disable all the non-free packages except the virtualbox-guest-additions (check out man apt_preferences) |
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| 22:29.51 | overjoyedpulp | also https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 22:30.07 | sebboh | pinning, yes, that's it. Thank you! |
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| 22:32.25 | sebboh | FYI I just ran vrms on an older machine and I see that I have ..25 packages from non-free or contrib, and all of them are documentation except sun java, a game, something called agrep, and the virtualbox stuff. The only one of these that I wasn't aware of was agrep and the docs. vrms seems like a viable alternative to pinning. ... :/ |
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| 22:37.06 | overjoyedpulp | sebboh: I have limited experience with apt-pinning--I've always kept it very simple. I know some people get themselves into dependency hell with apt-pinning, so vrms is probably a simpler and safer solution |
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| 22:39.57 | sebboh | I'm oscillating about this. It's a matter of principle... On the one hand, I've successfully kept my number of non-free packages very small even while not really paying attention. On the other hand... my computer won't "work" without one of them and I need another for my job! The low count isn't meaningful if they are important packages... :( |
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| 22:52.06 | Contrl | My crontab of ... * * * * * bash -x /home/bot/check.sh ... doesn't seem to work. I get "Must be connected to a terminal." - the check.sh is this: https://bpaste.net/show/6fd6c7115e23 :( |
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| 22:54.35 | sebboh | Contrl: screen doesn't work like you're trying to use it. Do you really need to have your application available in screen? Could it just run in the background? |
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| 22:55.15 | Contrl | sebboh: I need it available in Screen, as this is on a VPS. |
| 22:55.34 | sebboh | [and the application is a console application]. |
| 22:56.05 | sebboh | So, try googling for something like: programmatically add new window to existing screen session |
| 22:56.25 | sebboh | and then know that this might not be easy. :) |
| 22:56.56 | Contrl | sebboh: I'm surprised it wouldn't be easy. |
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| 22:57.27 | Contrl | I just want to check to see if my program is running. If it is, the Screen session will exist with it, and then I just close my check.sh |
| 22:57.28 | overjoyedpulp | it must be somewhere in info screen |
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| 22:57.35 | sebboh | Maybe the real solution is to use something else, not cron. Would it be acceptable to start screen manually after each reboot? And leave a program running there... which keeps the application running. |
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| 22:57.57 | Contrl | If it doesn't exist, open up Screen, and open the program in said Screen session |
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| 22:58.06 | Contrl | sebboh: What's wrong with Cron? |
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| 22:59.56 | Contrl | overjoyedpulp: 'info screen' ? |
| 23:00.11 | sebboh | Contrl: it's a non-interactive tool and screen is an interactive tool. Which means, facilities that screen expects to be available aren't, when started by cron. cron being non-interactive also affects how various shells run, FYI. cron is so old that many "quality of life" issues we'd expect to be available, aren't, because it would break compatibility. |
| 23:00.31 | overjoyedpulp | Contrl - maybe it will say how to add something to an existing screen session |
| 23:00.48 | Contrl | overjoyedpulp: This wouldn't be an existing Screen session.. ? |
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| 23:02.01 | sebboh | yeah, info screen will probably contain the info you need. You need two things: add a window to an existing screen, as overjoyedpulp said (your screen might still be there when your application has crashed or existed) and you also need to figure out how to start screen without a controlling terminal (or tty, or something). This is on the edge of my knowledge so I'm not sure what key words you should look for... |
| 23:02.42 | sebboh | Reading info screen in order would work. Because, it's great documentation: it explains all the key words up front. |
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| 23:06.55 | overjoyedpulp | contrl - i looked at a manpage for screen online (i dont have it installed), some comand options might be useful for your purposes |
| 23:07.28 | overjoyedpulp | using screen -d -m will "start in 'detached' mode. useful for system startup scripts" using screen -D -m will start in detached mode and wont fork a new process |
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| 23:07.50 | overjoyedpulp | contrl maybe that way screen doesn't need a shell to run |
| 23:08.59 | sebboh | That sounds like exactly what Contrl needs. ...I'm sorry for assuming this would be hard. :) |
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| 23:10.45 | Contrl | So... screen -D -m -X python /home/bot/contrl.py ? |
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| 23:13.07 | overjoyedpulp | contrl i dont think the X would work because -X sends it to a running screen session. try -d -m and see if that works |
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| 23:13.28 | Contrl | overjoyedpulp: So -d -m python ? |
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| 23:14.15 | Contrl | screen -D -m -X python /home/bot/contrl.py ... gives ... No screen session found. |
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| 23:16.22 | overjoyedpulp | contrl try screen -d -m python /home/bot/contrl.py |
| 23:16.40 | Contrl | overjoyedpulp: That worked. |
| 23:16.42 | Contrl | :D |
| 23:16.50 | overjoyedpulp | victory! |
| 23:17.00 | Contrl | Finally. |
| 23:17.04 | Contrl | Thank you. |
| 23:17.15 | Contrl | overjoyedpulp: Would you mind a BTC donation in the next few days? |
| 23:18.11 | overjoyedpulp | contrl thanks for the offer but no thanks |
| 23:18.22 | Contrl | Alright, was worth a shot :D |
| 23:18.26 | Contrl | Again, thanks for the help |
| 23:18.57 | overjoyedpulp | youre welcome |
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| 23:19.21 | srg | bitcoins are so 2000-and-late |
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| 23:35.25 | sterns | hello, looking for alpha testers for an instant messaging app: https://github.com/mattcollier/noxious |
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| 23:37.32 | phogg | sterns: I'd be more interested in how it works than testing it |
| 23:38.04 | sterns | phogg, sure, let me know if you have any questions. |
| 23:39.31 | phogg | sterns: okay, I get it. It uses tor for its anonymity |
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| 23:40.20 | sterns | right, and since it's hidden service <-> hidden service theres no entry/exit from the tor network. |
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| 23:41.34 | phogg | sterns: I don't run tor at the moment, so I'm afraid I wouldn't be a useful tester. |
| 23:41.39 | srg | So you instant message anonymous people? |
| 23:42.10 | sterns | srg, you can exchange your chat id by carrier pigeon. |
| 23:42.15 | srg | ah ok |
| 23:42.25 | srg | Can I ask a question that may or may not be devil's advocate? |
| 23:42.29 | srg | asks anyway |
| 23:42.31 | sterns | no |
| 23:42.56 | srg | How/why is this better than just encrypting chat and sending it over the wire that way? |
| 23:43.07 | srg | Like TextSecure or OTR or wahtever |
| 23:43.21 | phogg | srg: Deniability, obscurity |
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| 23:43.50 | phogg | srg: it's harder to prove that I even attempted to send data to a specific person, it's possible that I won't know the identity of the other person |
| 23:43.58 | sterns | tor hidden service protocol adds layers of additional security |
| 23:44.07 | srg | ahh, i gotcha |
| 23:44.23 | srg | So it protects against metadata, essentially |
| 23:44.40 | phogg | srg: Uh, no.... are you familiar with tor? |
| 23:44.41 | sterns | srg, I've provided a link about the tor hidden service protocol which is quite sophisticated. |
| 23:44.46 | ctmjr | wonders what this has to do with debian |
| 23:44.58 | srg | phogg: I run several tor relays, yes I'm familiar with it. |
| 23:45.09 | srg | Metadata meaning "person A is talking to person B" |
| 23:45.27 | phogg | srg: ah yes, I see what you mean now |
| 23:45.43 | sterns | as well as obscuring the physical location of A and B |
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