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| 00:10.29 | Tenkawa | did armhf platform support for raspberry pi ever make it to main debian? |
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| 00:23.37 | jelly | Tenkawa: there wasn't any need for that since models previous to r.pi 2 were not compatible with armhf ABI definition |
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| 00:24.20 | Tenkawa | jelly: will the 2's run core debian ok now? |
| 00:24.23 | jelly | that latest model however can run debian armhf userspace without changes |
| 00:24.27 | Tenkawa | sweet |
| 00:24.36 | Tenkawa | I know what I'm doing tomorrow then |
| 00:24.37 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 00:24.45 | klys | is armhf a p.i.e. executable as in android 5+ |
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| 00:25.21 | Tenkawa | everything else I have is "debian" so I have really wanted to sync up for a while |
| 00:25.28 | jelly | klys: no, -fPIE is not mandatory |
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| 00:25.36 | Tenkawa | and all my main boxes are 2's now |
| 00:25.55 | Tenkawa | jelly: thanks for the info |
| 00:26.40 | Tenkawa | cheers all.. |
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| 00:26.50 | jelly | Tenkawa: I have no idea how stuff goes with kernels and boot loaders there, that's on you, I'm just aware the new model is armv7 |
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| 00:26.59 | jelly | aaand gone |
| 00:27.42 | swift110 | is debian gonna be good on a 13 yr old laptop |
| 00:28.04 | jelly | a 10yr old debian might be |
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| 00:31.31 | swift110 | it cant be a newer one |
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| 00:32.10 | Contrl | Sigh. I'm getting a /bin/sh: 1: /home/bot/check.sh: not found ... when the file /does in fact exist/. Has -rwxr-xr-x on the file. IDK how to approach this. |
| 00:32.15 | sterns | swift110, how much RAM? |
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| 00:33.01 | Contrl | When I manually run the file using ... bash check.sh - it works, but not in a crontab.. |
| 00:33.08 | sterns | contrl: does your mount have noexec ? |
| 00:33.20 | sterns | oh, nvm |
| 00:33.21 | swift110 | 512 mb |
| 00:33.38 | swift110 | its an ibm T40 |
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| 00:33.51 | sterns | swift110, what would you like to do with it? |
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| 00:34.25 | swift110 | well i dont expect to do complex animations in blender or anything like that |
| 00:34.42 | swift110 | but web browsing word processing |
| 00:34.43 | sterns | but you want to run x? |
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| 00:35.34 | swift110 | what does that mean |
| 00:35.34 | cstk421_ | what would be a good method of having my raspbian build boot and check for wan connectivity before initiating an openvpn tunnel connection ? |
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| 00:36.00 | sterns | swift110, xwindows, the GUI for linux |
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| 00:36.17 | Contrl | cstk421_: So, ethernet? |
| 00:36.38 | Contrl | cstk421_: I'd imagine probably ping the default gateway and see if it exists |
| 00:36.48 | sterns | swift110, have you googled for 'debian linux ibm t40'? |
| 00:36.48 | cstk421_ | Contrl: well not really no the intended final product will have a usb/ gsm cell type of wan connection |
| 00:37.00 | sterns | that might give you data about other users experiences with drivers etc |
| 00:37.29 | Contrl | cstk421_: I'd suggest probably trying #raspberrypi |
| 00:37.47 | cstk421_ | ok thanks |
| 00:37.59 | sterns | swift110, what kind of screen resolutions does that thing support? |
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| 00:38.46 | swift110 | 1024x768 is native unless i got the high res version which would be 1400 |
| 00:38.49 | sterns | Does it have USB 2.0? |
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| 00:39.46 | sterns | If so, I'd suggest installing on a usb flash drive and giving it a go. You read performance on the flash will probably be much better than whatever drive you have there. |
| 00:40.00 | sterns | will it boot from usb? |
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| 00:40.26 | swift110 | i am no sure |
| 00:40.48 | swift110 | its from like 2003 |
| 00:40.54 | sterns | you might take a peek at your bios and see if you see any usb boot options. |
| 00:40.59 | swift110 | ok |
| 00:41.12 | swift110 | the problem is right now it has no os installed |
| 00:41.25 | sterns | you have another system? |
| 00:41.26 | swift110 | it was given to me by one of my friends |
| 00:41.28 | swift110 | i do |
| 00:41.37 | sterns | windows I suppose? |
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| 00:42.40 | swift110 | it was |
| 00:42.50 | swift110 | missing ntldr |
| 00:43.34 | SirLagz | swift110: what CPU is in this laptop ? |
| 00:44.10 | swift110 | intel pentium M |
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| 00:44.35 | SirLagz | swift110: Debian will be fine. If you could scrounge up some RAM for it, it'd be a bit more suited |
| 00:45.00 | swift110 | I intend too |
| 00:46.23 | swift110 | i can put up to 2 gb |
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| 00:46.36 | swift110 | only thing is that its ddr ram i need |
| 00:46.50 | SirLagz | swift110: you don't happen to live in Perth, Australia do you ? |
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| 00:48.29 | sterns | 2 GB is definitely respectable. |
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| 00:48.50 | rainfyre | 2gb should be fine |
| 00:49.01 | SirLagz | sterns: yeah, I have a Pentium M laptop with 2GB of RAM, it's very usable for web browsing as long as you block flash lol |
| 00:49.08 | swift110 | SirLagz: nope |
| 00:49.26 | SirLagz | swift110: damn, Otherwise I'd give you some DDR1 Laptop RAM haha |
| 00:49.28 | swift110 | im in usa |
| 00:49.30 | swift110 | aww |
| 00:49.33 | swift110 | well thanks |
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| 00:54.47 | turnedtodust | 2gb of ram.. Shit.. I'd lose my mind if I had to go back to that |
| 00:54.59 | turnedtodust | pats his 16gb of ram.. SHH shh... It's ok precious.. |
| 00:55.16 | buu | 2gb of ram is fine if you aren't running firefox! |
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| 01:00.19 | SirLagz | turnedtodust: I don't have more than 8 GB of RAM on any of my machines :( |
| 01:00.36 | Delf | Experiencing this bug. Think it's got anything to do with having touch screen? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755050 |
| 01:00.48 | turnedtodust | yeah. I was there at a point in time.. |
| 01:00.53 | turnedtodust | but I couldn't go back.. |
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| 01:03.32 | swift110 | lol turnedtodust |
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| 01:04.02 | corretico | hello guys |
| 01:04.09 | corretico | I need help :-) |
| 01:04.17 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:04.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:04.21 | corretico | recently. I upgrade from Debian Wheezy to Jessie |
| 01:04.33 | SirLagz | turnedtodust: I can't afford to upgrade any of my machines and none support more than 8GB of ram haha |
| 01:04.54 | corretico | after that, I have some problems with swap disk |
| 01:04.55 | swift110 | the most i have on a machine is 8 gb |
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| 01:05.03 | turnedtodust | SirLagz: the blasphemous thing about it is, I only paid 200 dollars for my entire rig :P |
| 01:05.10 | SirLagz | turnedtodust: :( |
| 01:05.21 | SirLagz | turnedtodust: then again, I paid almost nothing for my current rig with 4GB of RAM |
| 01:05.22 | corretico | I'm using LVM for swap+root+var+home |
| 01:05.37 | SirLagz | turnedtodust: the only thing I paid for in my current rig was the GTX260 |
| 01:05.59 | corretico | lsblk show swap with ntfs FSTYPE |
| 01:06.36 | turnedtodust | nice. |
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| 01:07.07 | Delf | dvs: dpkg should react the same on "ask!" :D |
| 01:07.09 | turnedtodust | all I have is this measly ati radeon sapphire hd 5770 |
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| 01:07.50 | dvs | corretico: swapon -a ? |
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| 01:08.59 | corretico | <dvs> http://pastebin.com/xxEvtUSY |
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| 01:11.15 | corretico | <dvs> sorry... swapon: /dev/mapper/Disk0-swap: read swap header failed |
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| 01:12.54 | dvs | corretico: I dunno then, I've never used swapper. |
| 01:13.42 | swift110 | i paid nothing for the T40 |
| 01:13.47 | SirLagz | !install-java |
| 01:14.09 | SirLagz | dpkg: !install-java |
| 01:14.09 | dpkg | wish i knew, SirLagz |
| 01:14.16 | SirLagz | dpkg: install-java |
| 01:14.16 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, SirLagz |
| 01:14.27 | SirLagz | !java |
| 01:14.27 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:14.58 | SirLagz | swift110: nice |
| 01:15.28 | swift110 | so i get to play with it |
| 01:15.40 | swift110 | I am excited that it works and is in such good condition |
| 01:15.48 | swift110 | makes for a nice blog post |
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| 01:43.59 | cheapie | Does anybody know of a program/script/whatever that can go through a folder, and replace duplicate files with symlinks or hardlinks to one copy of the file? |
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| 01:47.22 | centrx | cheapie, I found this by searching for [linux symlink duplicate files] - http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/155548/finding-duplicate-files-and-replace-them-with-symlinks |
| 01:47.41 | centrx | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3037/is-there-an-easy-way-to-replace-duplicate-files-with-hardlinks |
| 01:48.38 | cheapie | centrx: I see something promising in those answers. Let me do a little bit of research on that command, and then I'll try it. Thanks! |
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| 01:54.20 | cheapie | centrx: OK, I installed a newer version of fdupes that had the -L option, and that seems to have worked. |
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| 01:54.42 | cheapie | (the command I ended up using was "fdupes -rL <path>") |
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| 01:55.50 | centrx | sweet |
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| 01:56.49 | thomas_d | Hi all, I'm trying to follow along with this https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 01:57.21 | thomas_d | and it says to get the .tar.gz from whatever URL but I think that's out of date now, because on the site for the Debian images I'm only finding iso's |
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| 01:58.42 | cheapie | thomas_d: Try here (assuming AMD64): http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 01:58.44 | SirLagz | thomas_d: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ <-- that's the tar.gz that you want |
| 01:58.53 | SirLagz | beaten |
| 01:59.00 | cheapie | Heh, ninja'd. |
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| 01:59.19 | thomas_d | one of u did amd64 one of u did i386 :P |
| 01:59.21 | thomas_d | thanks both |
| 01:59.24 | SirLagz | haha |
| 01:59.35 | thomas_d | ohhh cool |
| 01:59.39 | thomas_d | this has the straight up pxelinux.0 |
| 01:59.50 | thomas_d | I presume that's the linux equivalent of the windows .wim files? |
| 02:00.04 | cheapie | has no clue how netbooting Windows works |
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| 02:00.29 | cheapie | pxelinux(.0) is the file that the DHCP server should tell the client to download. |
| 02:00.34 | SirLagz | pxelinux.0 is the network equivalent of grub in a way |
| 02:00.44 | cheapie | It then downloads "linux" and "initrd.gz" itself. |
| 02:01.00 | SirLagz | it depends on the pxelinux.cfg |
| 02:01.03 | SirLagz | but yes |
| 02:01.19 | cheapie | can't even remember what all he has in his pxelinux.cfg... |
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| 02:02.04 | cheapie | Here it is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10674314/ |
| 02:02.17 | cheapie | Some entries don't exactly work... |
| 02:02.29 | SirLagz | heh |
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| 02:02.56 | SirLagz | I have memtest, deb install, sysrescuecd on my pxeboot |
| 02:03.01 | cheapie | For example, the EFI GRUB one was put in before I learned that it doesn't quite work that way. |
| 02:03.26 | thomas_d | is there some way I can just download this whole directory?? Sorry I feel like an idiot |
| 02:03.43 | cheapie | thomas_d: You should only need 4ish files... |
| 02:03.44 | thomas_d | you see this sort of directory structure on websites all the time since decades ago... |
| 02:03.54 | thomas_d | don't I need the pxelinux.cfg container too?? |
| 02:04.05 | cheapie | Yes, but it just has one file in it. |
| 02:04.17 | thomas_d | can't work out how to download containers on this using my web browser without going in and downloading the files individually |
| 02:04.36 | thomas_d | just for future reference, I'm thinking there's probably some command I can use in terminal to point to this URL and download everything? |
| 02:04.43 | thomas_d | or is that not possible? |
| 02:04.51 | centrx | wget |
| 02:04.54 | cheapie | I think wget with a certain set of options will do it. |
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| 02:04.59 | cheapie | No idea which ones. |
| 02:05.05 | thomas_d | ah thanks |
| 02:05.13 | OSVG | wget or curl with maybe an * in the url or something, or flags. |
| 02:05.30 | cheapie | OSVG: Flags, probably. HTTP doesn't exactly support wildcards. |
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| 02:06.07 | thomas_d | wget -r I think |
| 02:06.33 | cheapie | thomas_d: I think it also needs another option or two to stop it from going up. |
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| 02:06.57 | thomas_d | ... yeah it sure seems to be downloading a lot |
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| 02:07.00 | thomas_d | D: |
| 02:07.08 | thomas_d | think this might all be going into my root as well |
| 02:07.09 | thomas_d | bugger... |
| 02:07.24 | cheapie | I remember doing this once to download all packages for Debian 2.something, since debmirror doesn't work with pre-APT repos... |
| 02:07.47 | thomas_d | wait it hasnt gone up yet i dont think |
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| 02:08.10 | cheapie | Speaking of debmirror... *hides hard drives*... you see nothing. |
| 02:08.18 | thomas_d | oh wait it has gone up |
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| 02:09.02 | cheapie | thomas_d: "Downloading internet.... ERROR: You need an additional 642.9 PB of disk space to complete this operation" |
| 02:09.20 | thomas_d | rofl |
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| 02:09.39 | thomas_d | it's fine cancelled and it was all going into 1 directory due to the directory structure of the site itself |
| 02:09.42 | thomas_d | even tho I was in my root xD |
| 02:10.22 | cheapie | thomas_d: Need a tarbomb to unpack to / so you can have the "fun" of cleaning it up anyway? |
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| 02:11.31 | thomas_d | je ne parlais vous le france :( |
| 02:11.40 | dvs | ??? |
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| 02:11.52 | dvs | Dit quoi? |
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| 02:12.01 | thomas_d | non!!! |
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| 02:12.11 | cheapie | sorta-kinda speaks Spanish... no French, though. |
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| 02:12.30 | thomas_d | lol I don't know what tarbomb is or anything like that, linux noob here |
| 02:12.43 | thomas_d | I'll take what I can get tho, throw some links I guess |
| 02:12.44 | OSVG | Heh. |
| 02:13.11 | cheapie | thomas_d: A tarbomb is a tar archive that unpacks a bunch of files into the current directory instead of creating its own like a nice archive. |
| 02:13.25 | cheapie | http://www.linfo.org/tarbomb.html |
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| 02:14.29 | cheapie | I don't think I've ever had a tarbomb explode into anything of value, but I have had a zipbomb or two explode into ~ before. |
| 02:15.07 | cheapie | pokes at Git |
| 02:15.13 | cheapie | Grr.... my connection is too slow. |
| 02:15.45 | ryouma | iirc it used to be the case that some archives could unpack into ../../../../../etc/passwd; perhaps that has been fixed |
| 02:16.01 | cheapie | ryouma: Not dangerous if you're not root. |
| 02:16.05 | ryouma | (i hope so, or i just gave too many people ideas) |
| 02:16.19 | ryouma | cheapie: just an example |
| 02:16.43 | cheapie | (well, somebody out there has *probably* chmodded /etc/passwd 666, 777, or something like that, but they have bigger problems) |
| 02:17.01 | thomas_d | wget -r --no-parent |
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| 02:17.46 | cheapie | is dangerously close to the "break it" phase of his "OS life cycle" that his desktop computer goes through |
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| 02:19.14 | cheapie | Install->Customize->Customize some more->Break->Fix->Customize Dangerously Much (currently here)->Become unsatisfied with how messed up it's getting->Try to fix it->Break it completely->Reinstall |
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| 02:19.44 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 02:19.48 | cheapie | In other words, I tend to fall off the bleeding edge. |
| 02:19.52 | cheapie | Hi. |
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| 02:20.17 | cheapie | So, if I had to guess, I'll be reinstalling within another month or two. |
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| 02:21.19 | thomas_d | I'm reinstalling everything |
| 02:21.29 | dvs | ??? |
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| 02:21.38 | thomas_d | I just finished a microsoft certification, so I'm now dropping all things microsoft like a whole sack of potatoes |
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| 02:21.45 | thomas_d | and installing debian on everything |
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| 02:21.53 | thomas_d | well, prob ESX on my server act5ually |
| 02:22.00 | thomas_d | but debian on my personal laptop |
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| 02:22.21 | thomas_d | already got a debian vm on a hyper-v server atm, gonna use that to push out debian to my personal machine via pxe, hence the above |
| 02:22.25 | cheapie | I'm running Debian on more or less everything. |
| 02:22.58 | thomas_d | question: is kali/backtrack just for posers? do real men just use straight up debian? I wanna be a real man |
| 02:23.00 | cheapie | The only boxes here that *aren't* on Debian are my mom's laptop (Ubuntu) and my sister's computer (Windows XP...blech). |
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| 02:23.14 | cheapie | thomas_d: That's been my opinion. Others may vary. |
| 02:23.49 | thomas_d | lol did u make ur mom use ubuntu |
| 02:23.59 | OSVG | Kali is a good toolbox, but besides convenience it doesn't really offer much over Debian and installing the tools yourself. |
| 02:24.16 | OSVG | Though, I use Kali in situations where it's isolated so it's easier to deploy Kali than to deploy Debian and add. |
| 02:24.26 | cheapie | thomas_d: I sort of forced it on her instead of Windows, but now she likes it better. |
| 02:24.33 | cheapie | (I used to like it too) |
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| 02:26.08 | thomas_d | from a learning/testing point of view tho, prob just better working with lightweight OS and install whatever tools needed, so then experience any difficulties that might come along with any tool-specific installations I guess |
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| 02:28.55 | thomas_d | damn, using "wget -r --no-parent [URL]" turns up a load of index.html?dsfjajsiojio files in all the directories |
| 02:28.57 | OSVG | thomas_d: That's very true, Kali is a little overwhelming for people who don't know what most of the tools are, or how to use them. |
| 02:29.00 | thomas_d | in addition to the desired files themselves |
| 02:29.25 | thomas_d | not major, just deleted them, annoying tho |
| 02:29.43 | cheapie | Well, if I do have to reinstall soon, I'm definitely going to move back to ext4. btrfs is so slow when writing, and just quite odd in general. |
| 02:30.16 | OSVG | I haven't had any issues with btrfs write speeds, though I don't use btrfs in D |
| 02:30.49 | cheapie | OSVG: Are you on an SSD or spinning rust? |
| 02:31.05 | OSVG | spinners. |
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| 02:31.11 | OSVG | btrfs over a mdadm raid. |
| 02:31.18 | cheapie | SSD here, single disk. |
| 02:31.25 | OSVG | Hm, I wonder if it's a scaling issue. |
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| 02:31.42 | ryouma | why would it be slow? |
| 02:31.54 | cheapie | With ext4, unpacking packages is more or less instantaneous, and the disk activity light barely flickers. |
| 02:32.01 | OSVG | ryouma: For the same reason any file system would be faster or slower than another? |
| 02:32.08 | cheapie | On btrfs, the light comes on solid and it takes a good 3-5 seconds per package. |
| 02:33.03 | ryouma | OSVG: why would a new fs be slower than an older-origin fs? |
| 02:33.08 | thomas_d | having an issue using the directory advised above cheapie |
| 02:33.10 | thomas_d | http://imgur.com/63bRYq0 |
| 02:33.17 | thomas_d | the DEB2 window is my client |
| 02:33.30 | thomas_d | the section behind it is my tftp directory on the server |
| 02:33.31 | cheapie | thomas_d: You're missing the vesamenu.c32 file. |
| 02:33.37 | ryouma | did you use bonnie++ to objectively measure the speed of btrfs vs. ext4? |
| 02:33.53 | cheapie | ryouma: No, I'm talking about real-world performance here. |
| 02:34.01 | OSVG | ryouma: Because of implementations in how the file structure works? Honestly that's a question better suited for someone who's more aware of it. I just know the results. |
| 02:34.04 | thomas_d | oh damn |
| 02:34.08 | thomas_d | looks like these files didnt download correctly |
| 02:34.20 | thomas_d | god dammit... |
| 02:34.37 | OSVG | Which is that on my Centos 7 box I use as a file server, btrfs is as quick or quicker than ext4 was over the same disks in the same raid. |
| 02:34.43 | thomas_d | wait... they did download correctly... |
| 02:34.49 | OSVG | But obviously ymmv |
| 02:34.50 | thomas_d | maybe the default file needsto be in the parent |
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| 02:35.28 | cheapie | thomas_d: Let me see how I have mine set up (I'm using vesamenu.c32)... |
| 02:35.47 | thomas_d | yeah all the files are in that directory, it just seems to be having a hard time with it |
| 02:35.58 | cheapie | thomas_d: OK, looks like my config is actually set to use menu.c32 instead... |
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| 02:36.16 | lizzy | The dramatic settings: windows7 guest , Linux host , an unsupported by Linux USB wireless adapter . Question: can win7 be given access to the USB adapter directly and use it's own drivers to operate it? |
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| 02:36.37 | lizzy | win7 runs in KVM |
| 02:36.48 | thomas_d | ah, maybe I need to do chmod |
| 02:36.51 | thomas_d | could be a permissions thing |
| 02:36.56 | thomas_d | sec tho, rearranging structure first |
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| 02:39.34 | thomas_d | got it working |
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| 02:41.51 | thomas_d | cheers cheapie et al, better reinstall this machine im on now so gotta get off here, cya :) |
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| 03:01.40 | johnfg | Anyway to get evolution-3.16.0 for any release of debian? |
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| 03:02.16 | johnfg | Wheezy is way behind: 3.4.4 |
| 03:03.13 | centrx | testing/unstable has 3.12.9 |
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| 03:04.33 | centrx | johnfg, According to the evolution website, 3.12.x is the latest stable version and there is no 3.16? |
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| 03:04.54 | johnfg | centrx: Yup, still pretty far behind. |
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| 03:05.47 | johnfg | centrx: According to #evolution on irc.gimp.net, 3.16.0 is the stable version. |
| 03:07.09 | centrx | Sounds like someone is pulling your leg |
| 03:08.21 | centrx | johnfg, This says Gnome 3.16 is scheduled to be released tomorrow/March 25 - http://www.itworld.com/article/2901056/gnome-316-sneak-peek-a-preview-from-the-eyes-of-a-kde-plasma-user.html |
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| 03:10.00 | centrx | johnfg, It looks like maybe evolution was separately released yesterday |
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| 03:11.17 | simonsickle | Hello everyone. I want to get my hands dirty and become involved by fixing some bugs that arent priority for the main devs, but am having a hard time getting through the bug tracker to find any of these. Ive tried wildcards and various other ways, but no dice yet. If anyone can point me to some notable bugs, Id very much appreciate it! |
| 03:11.23 | johnfg | because there are a few problems (or many) with 3.4.4, maybe i'll just instal 3.12.9 from jessie, sid or testing. |
| 03:12.39 | centrx | johnfg, Yeah jessie/testing has much newer software and is due to be released soon |
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| 03:14.34 | centrx | simonsickle, You can search for bugs with "minor" or "wishlist" priority? |
| 03:14.38 | centrx | "normal" |
| 03:14.53 | johnfg | im running jessie in a vm and have had no problems |
| 03:15.45 | centrx | simonsickle, Notable bugs at: http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy_and_sid&patch=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&ctags=1&ctags=1&cdeferred=1#results |
| 03:16.06 | centrx | simonsickle, That site also has a different search mechanism |
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| 03:16.40 | simonsickle | centrx, thanks for that second site. Much easier to work with it seems :) |
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| 03:44.12 | veritasemunah | if I have a 2.4 GHZ 8 core processor, does that mean each core runs at 2.4GHZ? |
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| 03:46.43 | Cpuroast | veritasemunah: indeed |
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| 03:53.49 | pirithous | unless you have C1E enabled, C-States & Turbo Boost |
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| 03:58.35 | veritasemunah | alright here is a tougher question, if I have a 2.4 GHZ 2 core processor hyper threaded to 8 cores, does that mean hyperthreaded core is running at 2.4GHz? |
| 03:58.47 | veritasemunah | alright here is a tougher question, if I have a 2.4 GHZ 2 core processor hyper threaded to 8 cores, does that mean each hyperthreaded core is running at 2.4GHz? |
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| 04:00.16 | Tumbtack | <veritasemunah> alright here is a tougher question, if I have a 2.4 GHZ 2 core processor hyper threaded to 8 cores, does that mean each hyperthreaded core is running at 2.4GHz? |
| 04:00.24 | Tumbtack | hyperthreaded "cores" don't do shit |
| 04:00.30 | Tumbtack | they're not physical cores |
| 04:00.35 | Tumbtack | they don't make your computer stronger |
| 04:00.50 | Tumbtack | all they do is help badly optimized multithreaded programs run nicer |
| 04:01.01 | Tumbtack | so like |
| 04:01.07 | Tumbtack | ubisoft games |
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| 04:02.00 | Rusty1 | what abt well optimized multithreaded programs? or are there any? |
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| 04:02.20 | Tumbtack | Well like |
| 04:02.46 | Tumbtack | you can set windows at least (I'm sure there's a way to do it in linuxes) to have specific programs running on specific threads |
| 04:02.47 | Tumbtack | so like |
| 04:02.57 | Tumbtack | if you had 7 single threaded programs |
| 04:03.06 | Tumbtack | you could set the os to run on core 1 |
| 04:03.13 | Tumbtack | and set each program to run on each individual core |
| 04:03.16 | Tumbtack | theoretically |
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| 04:14.28 | shay_shay | hai |
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| 04:15.02 | Tumbtack | shay_shay, o/ |
| 04:16.09 | Cpuroast | veritasemunah: Hyperthreading just allows multiple threads make better use of each core's resources |
| 04:16.26 | Cpuroast | by scheduling 2 threads per core |
| 04:16.28 | Cpuroast | instead of 1 |
| 04:16.37 | Tumbtack | mhm |
| 04:16.39 | ryouma | my understanding is that all it does is use the alu during memory fetch (maybe a few other things, dunno) |
| 04:16.45 | shay_shay | hmm |
| 04:16.47 | shay_shay | what to do now |
| 04:17.26 | mike802 | http://mike802.blogspot.com/2013/10/tech-conference.html |
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| 04:21.15 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: hyperthreading does make the cpu stronger, allowing more efficient use of each physical core's resources. |
| 04:21.49 | Tumbtack | Cpuroast, imagine a program is 100% perfectly optimized |
| 04:21.55 | Tumbtack | would hyperthreading benefit? |
| 04:22.02 | Tumbtack | if the program were compiled with GCC |
| 04:22.35 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: in a perfect world where all programs are perfect, no |
| 04:22.48 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: however, that will never happen |
| 04:22.56 | Tumbtack | sadly |
| 04:23.48 | mummybadgers | supposing perfection is a thing, of course |
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| 04:24.04 | Tumbtack | well like |
| 04:24.31 | Tumbtack | all I'm saying is that intel sells some quad cores for far more expensive than amd's octocores |
| 04:24.44 | Tumbtack | and you can get an amd quad core for the price of an intel dual core + hyperthreading |
| 04:25.02 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: except you't can't compare Intel cores with AMD cores |
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| 04:25.35 | Cpuroast | AMD did "hardware threads", Intel did hyperthreading, Intel's method one in the end |
| 04:26.06 | Cpuroast | won |
| 04:27.48 | Tumbtack | I guess intel's method is better for the end user |
| 04:28.01 | Tumbtack | You get stronger cores plus good optimization for programs that use lots of cores |
| 04:28.01 | centrx | it has a cooler name |
| 04:28.30 | Cpuroast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_(microarchitecture)#/media/File:AMD_Bulldozer_block_diagram_(8_core_CPU).PNG |
| 04:28.36 | Cpuroast | this is what AMD calls an 8-core |
| 04:28.57 | Cpuroast | it's really a cpu with 8 integer clusters |
| 04:29.08 | Cpuroast | and 4 FPUs |
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| 04:30.46 | Cpuroast | so I'd say it's closer to 4x1.5cores |
| 04:30.52 | Cpuroast | which would be 6cores |
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| 04:33.52 | Cpuroast | they should have simply called it a 4-core |
| 04:33.55 | Cpuroast | and be done with it |
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| 04:34.10 | Cpuroast | that way you compare with Intel 4-core chip and not their 8-core mode |
| 04:34.19 | Cpuroast | model |
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| 04:36.18 | Tumbtack | Cpuroast, http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4460-vs-AMD-FX-8320 |
| 04:36.33 | Tumbtack | keep in mind that the i5 is like 3/2 the price of the FX |
| 04:36.40 | Tumbtack | and look at the overclocking segment |
| 04:36.51 | Tumbtack | you cam get like 3/2 performance out of these FX chips on stock cooling |
| 04:37.01 | Tumbtack | without breaking like 80 |
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| 04:41.25 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1782&cmp[]=896 |
| 04:41.35 | Cpuroast | and this is what happens when you enable hyperthreading |
| 04:42.19 | Cpuroast | I'll give you the fact that you get a better bang for your buck with AMD |
| 04:42.24 | Cpuroast | but that's always been the case |
| 04:42.32 | Tumbtack | Cpuroast, you're comparing a $150 cpu with a $350 cpu and the $350 cpu is only like 9/8ths as good |
| 04:42.36 | Tumbtack | :I |
| 04:42.44 | Tumbtack | and that's not even overclocking |
| 04:42.48 | Cpuroast | I'm comparing an equivalent CPU |
| 04:42.54 | Cpuroast | from about the same time |
| 04:43.10 | Cpuroast | the i5 and the i7 are identical |
| 04:43.13 | Cpuroast | minus HT |
| 04:43.14 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 04:43.15 | Tumbtack | I have a friend with an 8350 that overclocked to 5ghz on a blower cooling solution |
| 04:43.35 | Tumbtack | you can't really measure FX CPUs by their stock, however I can see why you would |
| 04:43.40 | Tumbtack | No having to deal with overclocking |
| 04:43.48 | Tumbtack | as it is admittedly not for everyone |
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| 04:47.13 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: if Intel turned around and enabled HT on all CPUs they produce, AMD would have a tougher time |
| 04:47.28 | Cpuroast | the hardware needed for it is present on all chips |
| 04:47.30 | Tumbtack | true |
| 04:47.45 | Tumbtack | Well |
| 04:47.50 | Disconsented | AMD already has a pretty tough time |
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| 04:47.57 | Cpuroast | it's just disabled on desktop celerons, pentiums and i5s |
| 04:48.08 | Disconsented | Thier highest end CPU doesnt beat a mid range intel one "{ |
| 04:48.10 | Disconsented | :P |
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| 04:48.52 | Tumbtack | Intel's best current gen xeons and worst current gen celerons are all made with the same process with the same tools on the same silicon |
| 04:48.58 | Tumbtack | can't blame them for needing to make a profit though |
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| 04:49.04 | Tumbtack | Disconsented, that's absolutely false :> |
| 04:49.12 | Disconsented | How so? |
| 04:49.17 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: not quite, no |
| 04:49.17 | Tumbtack | Well like |
| 04:49.22 | Disconsented | a 4690 is better than a 9590 |
| 04:49.27 | Tumbtack | name a cpu you'd consider a mid range intel |
| 04:49.35 | Tumbtack | 4690 is absolutely not mid range |
| 04:49.39 | Cpuroast | best xeons are monster haswell-e based chips |
| 04:49.44 | Disconsented | I consider i5 mid range |
| 04:49.50 | Cpuroast | celerons are based on regular haswell |
| 04:49.51 | Disconsented | i7 high |
| 04:49.53 | Disconsented | i3 low :P |
| 04:50.02 | Tumbtack | Oh |
| 04:50.08 | Tumbtack | 4690 is fairly cheap |
| 04:50.09 | Tumbtack | Alright |
| 04:50.10 | Tumbtack | hold on |
| 04:50.18 | Disconsented | Yeah similar price as a 9590 :P |
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| 04:50.52 | Tumbtack | Disconsented, |
| 04:50.55 | Cpuroast | desktop/mobile share the same arch and xeon/enthousiast share a different arch |
| 04:50.59 | Disconsented | Tumbtack: |
| 04:50.59 | Tumbtack | 9590 beats the shit out of the 4690 |
| 04:51.04 | Tumbtack | at least according to passmark |
| 04:51.11 | cheapie | uname -a on my computer now says: Linux shelley 4.0.0-rc5+ #5 SMP Tue Mar 24 23:34:49 CDT 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:51.16 | Tumbtack | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4690+%40+3.50GHz |
| 04:51.16 | Disconsented | lol |
| 04:51.21 | Tumbtack | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-9590+Eight-Core |
| 04:51.26 | Disconsented | Synth's |
| 04:51.28 | Disconsented | GG |
| 04:51.31 | Disconsented | No |
| 04:51.39 | Tumbtack | 7,500 vs 10,200 |
| 04:51.40 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: you know you can click +compare |
| 04:51.45 | Cpuroast | and get a nice compare link |
| 04:51.46 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 04:51.49 | cheapie | Tumbtack: I'm running an FX-8350 overclocked to 4.5 GHz, by the way. |
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| 04:52.14 | Disconsented | For the future dont refference that website |
| 04:52.16 | Tumbtack | oooh |
| 04:52.18 | Cpuroast | and i5 without HT, is just not the same :) |
| 04:52.20 | Tumbtack | Cpuroast, that helps |
| 04:52.21 | Tumbtack | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2014&cmp[]=2236 |
| 04:52.24 | Disconsented | Because it doesnt use real world benchmarks it is a waste of time |
| 04:52.31 | Tumbtack | Well Disconsented |
| 04:52.33 | Disconsented | http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1198?vs=1289 |
| 04:52.39 | Disconsented | Enjoy |
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| 04:53.45 | Tumbtack | >9590 (220W) |
| 04:53.52 | Tumbtack | jesus titty fucking christ on a pogo stick |
| 04:53.57 | Disconsented | Yeah] |
| 04:54.01 | Disconsented | 9590 is garbage |
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| 04:54.28 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: I just wish Intel would simplify their product line, 2, 4, 6 and 8 cores, with HT enabled across the board |
| 04:54.47 | Tumbtack | Cpuroast, they wouldn't make nearly as much money |
| 04:54.48 | Disconsented | 8320 is the highest you want to go AMD side |
| 04:55.00 | Tumbtack | and even if they would |
| 04:55.04 | cheapie | shrugs |
| 04:55.07 | Tumbtack | they'd probably hold off until they needed to |
| 04:55.08 | cheapie | I'm happy with the one I got. |
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| 04:55.18 | Cpuroast | I guess |
| 04:55.21 | Tumbtack | enable all around HT when they're starting to go under |
| 04:55.25 | Cpuroast | it's all marketing |
| 04:55.29 | Tumbtack | which won't happen because they make better cpus anyways |
| 04:55.35 | Tumbtack | <-< |
| 04:55.39 | Tumbtack | but whatever |
| 04:55.39 | Cpuroast | Turbo-Boost, Hyperthreading, ECC-support |
| 04:55.49 | Cpuroast | these are all built-in features in every Intel CPU |
| 04:55.52 | Disconsented | It looks like AMD is trying to break into ARM |
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| 04:56.23 | Cpuroast | Intel just enables/disables those "features" to create different price-points |
| 04:56.24 | Disconsented | Cpuroast: Do I have to pull up the oldest intel CPU I can find just to show why blanket statments suck? |
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| 04:56.48 | Cpuroast | Disconsented: I should have said, every current cpu |
| 04:56.49 | Cpuroast | :) |
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| 04:56.54 | Disconsented | Ehh better |
| 04:57.03 | Tumbtack | I'd really like a g3258 |
| 04:57.15 | Disconsented | That is a very nice CPU for the price |
| 04:57.17 | Tumbtack | it's like $80 and it's got better single core performance than some $500 CPUs |
| 04:57.19 | Tumbtack | it's ridiculous |
| 04:57.20 | Cpuroast | point is, Intel just makes a sillicon, and then enable/disable features to create price-points |
| 04:57.21 | cheapie | doesn't really care what CPU architecture he has, as long as Debian will run on it |
| 04:57.25 | Cpuroast | but it's all the same chip |
| 04:57.31 | Tumbtack | for things that only use like 2 cores, it would be a ridiculously nice CPU |
| 04:57.38 | Disconsented | But its still wrong, the 4690k at the very least doesnt have ECC support. That is typically a Xeon thing |
| 04:57.43 | Tumbtack | if I wanted to build a machine specifically for emulation, I'd get it |
| 04:57.49 | Disconsented | Which is still like everything |
| 04:57.55 | Tumbtack | shit could probably run twilight princess with LLE at full speed |
| 04:58.05 | Disconsented | Although when I can be bothered to get a M.2 SSD I need to try hardware pass through |
| 04:58.11 | Cpuroast | Disconsented: the integrated memory controller does, but it's turned off |
| 04:58.21 | cheapie | also doesn't care about single-core performance, since the most CPU-intensive thing he does is compiling stuff, and he can use -jwhatever... |
| 04:58.31 | Disconsented | What |
| 04:58.45 | Cpuroast | Tumbtack: I paid like $99 CAD for my i3-4150 for my NAS |
| 04:58.48 | Tumbtack | I'm a child who likes his games so single core performance is somewhat important |
| 04:58.53 | Tumbtack | Cpuroast, jebis |
| 04:58.53 | Disconsented | Unless you're doing specifically multi-threaded applications. Single Threaded is still the most important thing :P |
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| 04:59.25 | Cpuroast | and Intel has the strongest single threaded performance of any cpu out there |
| 04:59.26 | cheapie | Disconsented: As far as compilation goes, -j9 makes it go crazy fast on this chip. |
| 04:59.50 | cheapie | All my programs run plenty fast, and I don't think I'd notice a difference if they ran any faster. |
| 05:00.01 | Tumbtack | would kill for a 32 core opteron machine with 64gb ram |
| 05:00.10 | Tumbtack | I'd get into android development |
| 05:00.11 | Tumbtack | :> |
| 05:00.25 | topi` | I paid $192 for my NVIDIA jetson TK1 board with 4x cortex-a15 cores at 2.3 GHz (these are not overclocked) - I can compile the kernel in just 7 minutes with make -j6 |
| 05:00.53 | topi` | that's over twice as fast as on my old macbook with top-of-the-line core2duo :) |
| 05:00.59 | cheapie | topi`: My box took about 5 minutes. |
| 05:01.15 | topi` | cheapie: my box runs on a friggin' mobile cpu with 2 watts dissipation |
| 05:01.23 | Tumbtack | heh |
| 05:01.26 | cheapie | topi`: Well, yeah, there's that... |
| 05:01.37 | topi` | anyhow, I give that intel's more expensive chips are the fastest there are |
| 05:01.38 | Tumbtack | I'm running an optiplex 960 SFF with the 755 socket |
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| 05:02.01 | Tumbtack | currently has an e8400 in it but am planning to upgrade to qx9770 once I get the money |
| 05:02.10 | topi` | Cpuroast: correction, Intel and Apple have the strongest single threaded perf there are |
| 05:02.18 | Cpuroast | huh? |
| 05:02.26 | cheapie | What does Apple have to do with anything? |
| 05:02.33 | topi` | if you scale the frequencies, you'll see that the A8X cores are just as fast as Haswell cores clock per clock |
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| 05:02.52 | topi` | not much, since it's pretty difficult to run any real os (Debian) on Apple cores... |
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| 05:03.03 | Cpuroast | I'd be surprised |
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| 05:03.29 | cheapie | digs out his ex-Chromebook |
| 05:03.37 | cheapie | That thing has some kind of Haswell thingy in it... |
| 05:03.39 | topi` | but their cpu design is top notch - one day we'll see a Macbook Air Mini with a A9X chip in it |
| 05:04.03 | Tumbtack | talking about apus now? |
| 05:04.17 | topi` | cpu, apu, who cares? they all have CPU cores in. |
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| 05:04.26 | Tumbtack | there's a huge difference |
| 05:04.33 | topi` | the thing that runs your kernel, and your userspace stuff. |
| 05:04.35 | Tumbtack | making os x compatible with an amd chip would be a nightmare |
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| 05:04.40 | cheapie | Arg, I never bothered to install an sshd on gamma... |
| 05:04.46 | Tumbtack | considering os x has never supported amd architectures |
| 05:04.50 | Tumbtack | It'd work |
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| 05:04.55 | Tumbtack | but it wouldn't be very optimized |
| 05:05.10 | topi` | Tumbtack: at one time, os x supported *both* powerpc *and* intel archs out of the box |
| 05:05.22 | topi` | so they know how to do it, better than anyone else I guess. |
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| 05:05.38 | Tumbtack | at one point windows NT did as well |
| 05:05.39 | chroneos | For 10.5 and a part of 10.4. |
| 05:05.45 | Tumbtack | doesn't mean it wasn't a nightmare |
| 05:05.54 | topi` | Tumbtack: not at the same level (you needed different builds for different archs) |
| 05:06.02 | Tumbtack | true |
| 05:06.07 | cheapie | OK, so that ex-Chromeboox (gamma) has an Intel Celeron 2955U in it. |
| 05:06.30 | topi` | cheapie: that's probably the cheapest haswell they sell :) |
| 05:06.48 | cheapie | topi`: Wouldn't surprise me. It was the cheapest computer on Newegg. |
| 05:06.53 | topi` | plus, intel has subsidized chromebooks pretty heavily (in order to get design wins) |
| 05:07.12 | cheapie | Something like $200, and it didn't take too long to get Debian on it. |
| 05:07.24 | rabbitear_sdf | I have a c720 I put in a 128gb ssd, its got 4gb, but I don't like it |
| 05:07.36 | rabbitear_sdf | feels like its gonna fall apart in my hands |
| 05:08.01 | topi` | I run ubuntu on my ages old Samsung Chromebook (the one with the Exynos5 processor) - you just install chrubuntu and be done with it |
| 05:08.04 | rabbitear_sdf | so I carry a 2010 eeepc atom dual core |
| 05:08.24 | Tumbtack | ooh ooh ooh |
| 05:08.29 | Tumbtack | rabbitear_sdf |
| 05:08.32 | Tumbtack | install snow leopard on it |
| 05:08.33 | Tumbtack | :D |
| 05:08.39 | rabbitear_sdf | Tumbtack: lol |
| 05:08.45 | Tumbtack | I'm not joking :o |
| 05:08.48 | rabbitear_sdf | Tumbtack: I unlocked it, its possible |
| 05:08.56 | Tumbtack | those old eepc netbooks are awesome for snow leopard |
| 05:09.00 | Tumbtack | >I unlocked it |
| 05:09.02 | Tumbtack | wat |
| 05:09.09 | rabbitear_sdf | Tumbtack: but I didn't put pure coreboot on it [yet] |
| 05:09.14 | Tumbtack | What |
| 05:09.17 | Tumbtack | Not the chromebook |
| 05:09.23 | Tumbtack | you're not gonna get os x working on a chromebook |
| 05:09.23 | rabbitear_sdf | oh, I thought you ment the c720 |
| 05:09.27 | topi` | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858 |
| 05:09.27 | Tumbtack | silly |
| 05:09.30 | Tumbtack | I mean |
| 05:09.35 | rabbitear_sdf | I like my os on it, its got slackware |
| 05:09.36 | Tumbtack | you'd probably get it running kinda |
| 05:09.38 | topi` | this is a nice sounding bug... hope it doesnt' appear in debian releases |
| 05:09.49 | Tumbtack | but without hardware accelleration, sound, wifi, keyboard, or trackpad drivers |
| 05:10.19 | rabbitear_sdf | Mac OS is o.k...... |
| 05:10.25 | rabbitear_sdf | I like i3 |
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| 05:11.15 | cheapie | has a Windows XP CD sitting around here somewhere, he should try putting that on just to show "normal" people that it can run a "real" OS (as they've never heard of Debian) |
| 05:11.49 | topi` | that XP will probably be exploited the moment you hook up the ethernet cable... |
| 05:11.58 | topi` | show that to normal people :) |
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| 05:13.11 | Disconsented | I wish all remaining xp machines magically had *nix installed :\ |
| 05:13.21 | Tumbtack | cheapie, windows xp is a toy os |
| 05:13.34 | Tumbtack | at least, it is these days |
| 05:13.48 | cheapie | I hate Windows too, it's just that "normal" people know what it is. |
| 05:13.49 | Tumbtack | anyone who still wants XP needs to use POSREADY 2009 |
| 05:13.52 | topi` | but it runs directx games! |
| 05:14.01 | cheapie | Tumbtack: McDonald's uses that. |
| 05:14.11 | Tumbtack | cheapie, mhm |
| 05:14.16 | Tumbtack | that's because it's a great fucking OS |
| 05:14.17 | topi` | I think I'll just buy the NVIDIA shield game console :) |
| 05:14.21 | mike802 | i think a lot of companies haven't switched |
| 05:14.22 | Tumbtack | with little to no security holes |
| 05:14.26 | cheapie | It's sort of fun watching the registers boot up. |
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| 05:14.33 | Tumbtack | it gets all the same patches as the newest windowses |
| 05:14.37 | mike802 | did you hear that some governments in eurpoe paid microsoft to continue support |
| 05:14.42 | Tumbtack | yep |
| 05:14.48 | mike802 | huh |
| 05:14.59 | mike802 | i bet it is easy to hack though |
| 05:15.08 | Tumbtack | not really if it's set up right |
| 05:15.10 | Disconsented | topi`: which one? |
| 05:15.14 | Tumbtack | and has a nice hardware firewall |
| 05:15.14 | mike802 | really? |
| 05:15.27 | mike802 | i was always impressed by its low ram useage |
| 05:16.34 | Tumbtack | yeah it's gr8 |
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| 05:17.02 | rabbitear_sdf | +1 gov's in the eu ;) |
| 05:17.18 | rabbitear_sdf | you are doing it right |
| 05:18.58 | Tumbtack | Personally I have massive nostalgia for XP |
| 05:19.10 | rabbitear_sdf | which I do not! |
| 05:19.28 | mike802 | wow, that's pretty intense |
| 05:19.38 | rabbitear_sdf | Tumbtack: steal all the .snd files off it |
| 05:19.48 | mike802 | you know there's a ##windows channel, right? |
| 05:19.51 | rabbitear_sdf | Tumbtack: make you feel like home |
| 05:19.53 | mike802 | or are you doing this on purpose? |
| 05:20.28 | rabbitear_sdf | I used to miss icq |
| 05:20.31 | Tumbtack | rabbitear_sdf, heh |
| 05:20.38 | cheapie | works on repairing his only IDE CD drive to use with a USB-IDE adapter with the Chromebook... |
| 05:21.07 | Tumbtack | heh |
| 05:21.08 | Tumbtack | wonderful |
| 05:21.32 | mike802 | np |
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| 05:24.11 | chroneos | "There is no application set to open the URL gopher://..." <-- This is why Mac OS X disappoints me at times. |
| 05:24.29 | Tumbtack | wat |
| 05:24.34 | Tumbtack | gopher is all but dead |
| 05:24.35 | Tumbtack | sadly |
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| 05:24.39 | Tumbtack | it was a great concept |
| 05:24.49 | cheapie | OK, the drive's fixed. |
| 05:25.28 | cheapie | I took a bit of an aggressive approach towards fixing it, so it... uhh, has better cooling now and I have a pile of spare parts on the bed, but it works. |
| 05:25.37 | chroneos | In all seriousness, I ended up on a really old website with a gopher link, so that happened... |
| 05:25.48 | Tumbtack | awesome |
| 05:25.52 | cheapie | chroneos: Try OverbiteFF. |
| 05:25.57 | chroneos | a brief nostalgic/amusing moment. |
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| 05:28.40 | cheapie | chroneos: Also, in another somewhat nostalgic moment, the blank CD I grabbed off the top of the stack is a CD-650. |
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| 05:31.56 | chroneos | heh heh |
| 05:33.10 | chroneos | I actually had an archaeological adventure cleaning out a closet the weekend before last. |
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| 05:34.00 | cheapie | Also, the power supply powering the CD drive is an AT power supply (although it started life as an ATX). |
| 05:34.11 | chroneos | Found a small box with a variety of things. |
| 05:34.34 | cheapie | ...I forgot how scary fast 48x sounds with the cover off... |
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| 05:35.41 | topi` | Disconsented: there's the new NVIDIA Shield TV (which is really a games console) that runs android and can run crysis3 |
| 05:36.22 | chroneos | Most notably, 4 8MB 72-pin SIMMs, a couple of Zip disks, a CD caddy and a tangled ball of Apple Desktop Bus cables. |
| 05:37.04 | topi` | Disconsented: it's faster than old-gen Xbox360 and cheaper than the current console generation :) |
| 05:37.07 | chroneos | And a null modem cable, which I had actually been looking for, so it wasn't entirely fruitless. |
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| 05:37.59 | topi` | Disconsented: and since NVIDIA posted enough code to enable nouveau on the Tegra Kepler/Maxwell, it'll make a sweet linux box |
| 05:38.15 | topi` | 1000 GFLOPS :) |
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| 05:38.33 | Tumbtack | one thousand entire giggleflips, topi` |
| 05:38.38 | Tumbtack | that's a lot |
| 05:38.43 | cheapie | topi`: Wouldn't that just be 1 TFLOPS? |
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| 05:38.56 | Tumbtack | 1024 giggleflips would equal one tickleflips |
| 05:39.09 | Tumbtack | but srsly yeah it would cheapie |
| 05:39.26 | cheapie | Now, as far as GiFLOPS and TiFLOPS... |
| 05:39.39 | rabbitear_sdf | sounds like... cuqui cuqui cuqui flop |
| 05:40.07 | topi` | :) |
| 05:40.30 | rabbitear_sdf | chu |
| 05:40.37 | rabbitear_sdf | forgot chu |
| 05:40.45 | topi` | I ran some nvidia sample cuda code on my Tegra device, it's amazing what you can do with GPGPU |
| 05:41.04 | cheapie | OK, and WinXP hates the SATA controller in this Chromebook, even with a ton of extra drivers on the CD. |
| 05:41.26 | cheapie | Well, at least it BSODs just like a real Windows box. Close enough, right? |
| 05:41.43 | Tumbtack | heh |
| 05:41.47 | topi` | OSX hates the SATA controller on my old Macbook (2010), so the bloody SSD runs only at 1x sata speed |
| 05:42.03 | topi` | so it's not like these problems with SATA are rare |
| 05:42.06 | Tumbtack | topi`, be sure to install the trim enabler kext |
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| 05:42.23 | Tumbtack | because apple is awful and disables trim for all ssds except for their proprietary in-house one |
| 05:42.48 | topi` | Tumbtack: for what I read, the problem lies in a HW bug in the NVIDIA ION chipset the 'book is using |
| 05:42.57 | Tumbtack | Ah |
| 05:43.15 | topi` | so F**K YOU NVIDIA, like Linus would say :) |
| 05:43.22 | rabbitear_sdf | ASUS is pretty good |
| 05:43.44 | rabbitear_sdf | saying you get the correct hardware |
| 05:43.54 | topi` | has anyone else made a custom debootstrap master script, or am I the only one? |
| 05:44.10 | topi` | I just need to create debian images for a variety of setups |
| 05:44.19 | cheapie | topi`: Well, in this case, it's more like "STOP 0x7B", which in Linux terms is "Kernel panic - not syncing: unable to mount root fs" |
| 05:44.23 | rabbitear_sdf | <- slackware user |
| 05:44.34 | cheapie | Now, which of those sounds more informative? |
| 05:44.40 | rabbitear_sdf | I use debians too, just I like slackware best |
| 05:44.57 | topi` | cheapie: B. Gates likes it terse :) |
| 05:45.42 | rabbitear_sdf | cheapie: trying not to be so deep, on purpose tonight |
| 05:46.05 | rabbitear_sdf | cheapie: step cousin left me :/ |
| 05:46.47 | topi` | does anyone use the ecryptfs-utils package? I have problems fitting that on a (small) installation since it pulls 50+ packages along... there's a dependency to some gpg package, which depends on some pin input program for GTK! which means, I get a slew of x11 packages on a bloody headless dev :( |
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| 05:47.03 | topi` | any guidance? should I just create my own ecryptfs-utils package? or edit the metadata? |
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| 05:47.17 | topi` | this is on debian jessie |
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| 05:47.58 | chroneos | topi`, I tend to go quick and dirty w/ preseeds. |
| 05:48.18 | rabbitear_sdf | topi`: have to compile the stuff yourself, to realize whats suppose to be in it |
| 05:48.19 | cheapie | topi`: I don't see anything like that... |
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| 05:48.50 | topi` | I just hate having some dependencies on graphical environments on a purely headless box |
| 05:49.04 | rabbitear_sdf | topi`: yup |
| 05:49.11 | topi` | I think I'll file a bug report on jessie |
| 05:49.14 | rabbitear_sdf | topi`: you have choice too |
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| 05:49.44 | rabbitear_sdf | I use X in headless boxes |
| 05:50.11 | cheapie | topi`: Any chance you could tell me the names of these packages? I don't see a dependency chain like that. |
| 05:50.16 | topi` | GPGME is the culprit (GPG Made Easy) |
| 05:50.49 | cheapie | Which depends on...? |
| 05:51.13 | topi` | lemme see |
| 05:51.23 | cheapie | gnupg2->gnupg-agent? |
| 05:51.50 | topi` | something that ended up pulling pinentry-gtk2 on my setup |
| 05:51.53 | cheapie | gnupg-agent depends on pinentry-gtk2|pinentry-curses|pinentry |
| 05:52.08 | cheapie | Just install pinentry-curses, which will satisfy that. |
| 05:52.11 | topi` | interesting, why would it choose the gtk2 version then... |
| 05:52.27 | cheapie | Because it's first. |
| 05:52.28 | topi` | I was just adding stuff to debootstrap's --includes line, package by package |
| 05:52.33 | topi` | so maybe I just specify that manually |
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| 05:54.11 | topi` | let's see if that chops off some package cruft :) |
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| 07:35.21 | darxmurf | hi folks |
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| 07:42.16 | darxmurf | Update your RAID check script on nagios an discover a broken array on a server :D |
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| 08:21.54 | duckey | I tried to install the play on linux deb file and It just wont install. Nether will wine. Also, what repo does play on linux supported by? |
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| 08:58.08 | Trow | hi i d like to clone a bitbucket repo to the server i got permission denied ? idea ? |
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| 08:58.52 | babilen | Trow: What kind of repository? |
| 08:59.32 | Trow | there are many types ? |
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| 08:59.42 | Juslintek | Hey I have vps. I want it to redirect to domain on other ip? www.example.com request is made to my vps, it has to redirect to other ip? |
| 08:59.49 | Juslintek | I want it to be as dns server. |
| 09:00.13 | Juslintek | I've installed bind, and added record for www.example.com, but redirect is not working. |
| 09:00.47 | Juslintek | Maybe apache is overriding all dns redirects? |
| 09:01.56 | babilen | Trow: There are git and mercurial repositories. Also: What is the exact error you get and what is your command? Feel free to paste information to http://refheap.com or http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:02.31 | Trow | babilen, it s a git repo and i got permission denied publickey |
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| 09:03.13 | babilen | Trow: What was your command? |
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| 09:03.26 | Trow | git clone ...git |
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| 09:04.24 | babilen | Trow: This does, however, sound like a question you'd rather want to ask in #bitbucket or #git as I doubt that it is a Debian specific problem. Please provide exact information to them and also explain why you think that you should be able to access that repository (is it yours?) |
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| 09:04.47 | Trow | thanks babilen |
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| 09:07.31 | rgr | or paste the output to pastebin. It sounds like you havent set up the correct key to read that repo not that it cant copy it to your server. but without any "output" whatsoever it's just guessing. |
| 09:08.11 | Kyoshiro | hi, I upgraded a dozen HP DL380 Gen4 servers (with cciss hardware raid driver) to wheezy and since it's been upgraded to kernel 3.2, two of them are becoming unresponsive every day complaining about "task ... blocked for more than 120 seconds". They're all Xen hosts and I tried reducing vm.dirty_ratio and vm.dirty_background_ratio, changing Xen guests to elevator=noop but it doesn't seem to help. Any ideas ? |
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| 09:14.54 | Walex | Kyoshiro: that's likely nothing to do with congestion on the disk. That's something with threads inside the kernel. Maybe rather indirectly related to IO congestion but unlikely. |
| 09:15.38 | Kyoshiro | yeah probably not related to disk indeed since the IO load is not abnormal |
| 09:15.54 | Walex | Kyoshiro: you should get a stack trace with that, try to see what kind of activity was happening around that locking issue. |
| 09:16.00 | Kyoshiro | someting is completely hanging in there, they never recover from that I have to hard reset them |
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| 09:16.48 | Kyoshiro | the stack trace printed when the task is blocked ? |
| 09:17.01 | Kyoshiro | problem is there are a lot of different tasks everytime ^^' |
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| 09:26.33 | anddam | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch10.en.html#_backup_and_recovery says to exclude cache, run and tmp in /var, but do I really need to backup /var/spool ? |
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| 09:27.45 | jelly | anddam: do you like your crontabs? |
| 09:27.48 | themill | are your cron jobs important to you? |
| 09:27.57 | jelly | high fives themill |
| 09:28.04 | themill | moo |
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| 09:28.25 | anddam | jelly: I'm not sure how to answer since I cannot recall any cronjob active so I'm going with no |
| 09:28.28 | anddam | but I see the point |
| 09:28.34 | saisiddhant | can anyone say what do you mean by massaging a driver ? |
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| 09:28.50 | anddam | I somehow thought users' crontab were stored in their own directory |
| 09:28.58 | anddam | thanks |
| 09:29.49 | jelly | find /var/spool -type f -ls and see if you need any of that |
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| 09:30.33 | anddam | also I'm backing up a system that will then restored on a different vps, do I need to keep /var/backups/apt* files or should I rather list installed packages with dpkg and then just reinstall those? |
| 09:30.39 | jelly | for me it's easier to backup everything first and exclude only what I'm 100% sure I won't ever need |
| 09:30.53 | anddam | sounds reasonable |
| 09:31.14 | anddam | OTOH this is a small sandbox I use for tests, no real services on it |
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| 09:33.50 | jelly | anddam: when doing a clone take care of differences in dynamically generated users and groups. Lots of packages for services generate users at install time, so if you restore data from a different system uids and gids will differ. Restoring /etc/{passwd,group,*shadow} and installing packages in wrong order could result in incorrect ownerships |
| 09:34.07 | saisiddhant | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.14 | jelly | (again, it's easier to back up everything) |
| 09:34.26 | jelly | saisiddhant: any context for that? |
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| 09:35.29 | anddam | jelly: I actually thought of that, I have no way of figuring the right order (reading the passwd|group and guessing from there maybe?) so I'll go with it and fix the issues when and if they arise |
| 09:35.38 | anddam | jelly: is there a "proper" way to do it? |
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| 09:35.56 | jelly | anddam: apart from restoring everything? :-) |
| 09:36.03 | saisiddhant_ | what do you mean by massaging" the drivers available "out there" on the various manufacturer's websites ? |
| 09:36.32 | jelly | saisiddhant_: can you say did you read that, what's the context? |
| 09:36.43 | jelly | where* you read that |
| 09:36.56 | anddam | jelly: actually if I restore the whole /etc (that I backed up as a whole) it should be fine, right? i.e. the uid|gid and the program config file should be coherent |
| 09:37.15 | saisiddhant_ | jelly: packaging for printers |
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| 09:37.26 | anddam | mm apart files ownership on the rest of the system |
| 09:37.36 | jelly | saisiddhant_: do you have an exact quote? |
| 09:38.01 | anddam | I have to check if the remote console allows me to do single user boot |
| 09:38.07 | anddam | I figure restoring a live system isn't wise |
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| 09:38.55 | jelly | anddam: restoring /etc first would probably work. Then user clamav will have old uid 201 and further installation of clamav-daemon package won't recreate it with a different uid |
| 09:39.16 | jelly | anddam: sometimes you have to other option than back up a live system |
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| 09:39.20 | saisiddhant_ | Sir I need to build packages for CUPS driver and LPR driver for brother and samsung printer so I need to massage the the drivers |
| 09:39.21 | jelly | no* other option |
| 09:39.56 | anddam | jelly: backing up is not what bothers me, it's restoring onto a live system |
| 09:39.59 | anddam | while I'm logged on it |
| 09:40.16 | anddam | I have to see if the remote console can do single user |
| 09:40.40 | jelly | saisiddhant_: that sounds like a an analogy or antrhopomorphization. "these drivers are of possibly low quality and you may have to exert manual effort to fix them" |
| 09:40.40 | anddam | ofc this is because I went cheap with the service so provider won't move this for me :-) |
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| 09:41.22 | jelly | saisiddhant_: they might put files in wrong place, or have broken init scripts, or come as source that won't build right away... that sort of thing |
| 09:41.54 | jelly | saisiddhant_: so you "massage" them to fix all the sore spots |
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| 09:43.12 | saisiddhant_ | jelly : so what massage means over here ?putting the scripts in right places? |
| 09:43.31 | jelly | saisiddhant_: "fix whatever is wrong" |
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| 09:44.37 | saisiddhant_ | jelly: is it like fixing bugs |
| 09:44.59 | jelly | it IS fixing bugs. |
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| 09:52.18 | coalwater | is there a way to get the latest gnome-shell on debian 8 ? something other than ubuntu's ppa maybe? |
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| 09:54.49 | StCyr | Hi |
| 09:55.05 | StCyr | I've a wireless problem with a fresh Jessie install |
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| 09:55.54 | StCyr | avahi (or something else) keeps adding a default route to my ethernet port while it's not connected |
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| 09:57.38 | Iridos | coalwater, not really... jessie's not even released. There may be a backport in time after it has been released. Installing it from the 'buntu ppa is a good way to break jessie. |
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| 10:05.45 | herol3oy3333 | hi.. there is only one file in my flash memory bigger than 2GB (it's name is ????? so i can not rename it normaly). how can i find it and then rename it to "hello" for example??? |
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| 10:06.35 | crypt1d | use an escape character to match the name |
| 10:06.46 | crypt1d | eg mv \? hello |
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| 10:07.20 | herol3oy3333 | there are many ???????? files in my flash memory? |
| 10:07.27 | herol3oy3333 | still i can do it? |
| 10:07.55 | BoteMan | Or use ls with the "inode" option and remove it by inode number |
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| 10:08.15 | BoteMan | They might have filenames with a character set that your terminal can not display, hence the ???? |
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| 10:09.14 | herol3oy3333 | what about the command FIND? |
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| 10:11.10 | petn-randall | herol3oy3333: What about it? |
| 10:11.12 | Iridos | the name isn't really "???==" |
| 10:11.16 | Iridos | err "????" |
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| 10:11.31 | Iridos | ls just prints a ? for characters it cannot normally display |
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| 10:14.15 | Dixi____ | Is it possible to zip the output of a cronjob to example.txt.gz ? |
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| 10:14.32 | buu | yes |
| 10:14.49 | Dixi____ | normally you would >> sample.txt . How would I zip it? |
| 10:15.09 | buu | | |
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| 10:15.18 | Dixi____ | is that it? |
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| 10:17.17 | Dixi____ | is it also possible to create a txt file, if the cronjob was succesfull ? |
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| 10:18.07 | crypt1d | sure, just redirect the output of the crontab job to it |
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| 10:18.21 | crypt1d | eg, mycrontabjob >> sample.txt | zip sample.txt |
| 10:18.24 | crypt1d | or something in that regard |
| 10:18.45 | crypt1d | actually u should use && instead of | , but u get the point |
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| 10:19.42 | Dixi____ | alrighty |
| 10:19.43 | Dixi____ | trying |
| 10:19.44 | Dixi____ | thank |
| 10:19.45 | Dixi____ | s |
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| 10:23.09 | topi` | about ecryptfs-utils, has anyone experience on using ecryptfs under a chroot? |
| 10:23.45 | topi` | I have a script for mounting, it works natively, but if I copy it over to a chrooted system, it fails (possibly because of missing key from kernel keyring?) |
| 10:23.59 | topi` | Error: Unwrapping passphrase and inserting into the user session keyring failed [-5] |
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| 10:28.51 | umbra_purus | How can I list the users in my operative system in terminal? |
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| 10:30.14 | toofle | users ? |
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| 10:30.58 | toofle | without the question mark that should show current ones |
| 10:31.01 | toofle | or is that now what you mean |
| 10:31.04 | toofle | not* |
| 10:31.37 | umbra_purus | yes users in debian |
| 10:31.51 | umbra_purus | like when you've got multiple users and want to list hem |
| 10:31.51 | jelly | umbra_purus: getent passwd |
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| 10:32.31 | StCyr | why does avahi-autoipd creates a default route to the IPV4LL subnet with metric lower than my active wifi routes? |
| 10:32.36 | IceBot3000 | umbra_purus: Cross-posting to several IRC channels is considered bad etiquette |
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| 10:33.48 | umbra_purus | IceBot3000 oh is that so? Oh thank you for your help. If you really wanted to help people you wouldn't say that |
| 10:34.09 | buu | umbra_purus: He was helping me when he said that. |
| 10:34.10 | toofle | you can try cat |
| 10:34.17 | toofle | cat /etc/passwd |
| 10:34.22 | toofle | it will list every acount |
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| 10:34.34 | toofle | i mean "everything" on your system |
| 10:34.48 | toofle | you have to look into it to figure out which ones are people and whatnot |
| 10:34.50 | toofle | hope it helps |
| 10:34.54 | coalwater | Iridos: how soon could i expect an update on jessie (or even sid), I haven't been on debian long enough to know how long it takes for the ppa's to get updates |
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| 10:35.13 | umbra_purus | why implicate with me? well... move on |
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| 10:35.47 | Dixi____ | is it possible for cron to create a txt file, when the process has finished? |
| 10:36.47 | StCyr | how do I disable IPV4LL? |
| 10:36.59 | buu | Dixi____: Dude, put your code in a bash/perl/etc script and have cron run that. |
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| 10:37.21 | jelly | Dixi____: no |
| 10:37.26 | Dixi____ | guess that would be easier |
| 10:37.31 | Iridos | coalwater, there won't be any update on jessie... it will become stable and stable only receives security updates. There might be a backport (for additional info /msg dpkg backports). In testing/unstable... well, quite surely not before jessie has been released as stable (for additional info /msg dpkg slushy) |
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| 10:38.53 | Iridos | IceBot3000, and I thought you helped him to be more polite in the future ^^ |
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| 10:43.22 | coalwater | Iridos: ok i understand now, so what about updates I recieve occassionaly, what is the difference between those and a gnome-shell update for example |
| 10:44.13 | coalwater | Iridos: ok nvm, i think 'slushy' answered that for me |
| 10:44.15 | StCyr | Ok, I know I don't want zeroconf |
| 10:44.17 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 10:44.24 | StCyr | Now, How should I disable it? |
| 10:44.42 | StCyr | (from https://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf) "There should be a well-documented way to do that." |
| 10:45.58 | Iridos | coalwater, usually new versions go into unstable... if nobody reports grave bugs on them in some time, the packages are automatically moved into testing... right now, we are a short(ish) time before a new release, so <slushy> applies |
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| 10:49.54 | coalwater | Iridos: Thank you very much, you've been so helpful. |
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| 10:57.09 | Iridos | awww :D |
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| 10:58.27 | lemonxah | hi guys |
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| 10:58.38 | lemonxah | new to debian just want to know uname -a |
| 10:59.04 | lemonxah | Linux ***** 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:59.15 | lemonxah | i take it that is debian 7 update 2 ? |
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| 11:00.36 | topi` | I have a weird issue with /dev/mapper/ where I try to make a snapshot of a ext4 filesystem in /dev/mapper/virtdisk1part1 and when I copy it back via dd, I can no longer mount it. Inspecting the disk shows that the ext4 header is gone, there are some other bytes, that might belong to a ext4 fs there |
| 11:01.08 | topi` | but it's odd that the /dev/mapper isn't symmetric? I mean, I should be able to copy the bits from /dev/mapper, and then copy those bits back, and it stays the same |
| 11:01.14 | topi` | but the md5 sums are different, so no |
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| 11:03.07 | crypt1d | topi`, how are u making the snapshot? |
| 11:03.21 | topi` | crypt1d: dd if=/dev/mapper/xxx of=snapshot.dd |
| 11:03.40 | topi` | if I do "file snapshot.dd", it shows it an ext4 filesystem, so that works |
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| 11:04.15 | topi` | I can do even fsck.ext4 -n snapshot.dd and it says "clean" |
| 11:04.33 | topi` | if I write it back to the same /dev/mapper/xxx where it came from, then no go |
| 11:04.42 | topi` | the bits are different then, which puzzles me |
| 11:04.52 | crypt1d | how about u mount that snapshot.dd over a loopback |
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| 11:05.02 | crypt1d | and then try to mount it? |
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| 11:05.27 | topi` | I suspect it works well |
| 11:05.57 | topi` | yeah, losetupping it works |
| 11:06.03 | topi` | fsck.ext4 /dev/loop0 works |
| 11:06.23 | topi` | but the problem is, I'm using dmsetup to slice and dice a losetupped (virtual) disk into partitions |
| 11:06.50 | topi` | I have a script that parses the GPT table (with sgdisk) and calculates offsets into the loop device, and dmsetups all partitions |
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| 11:07.09 | crypt1d | perhaps u just need to run pvscan/vgscan after u restore with dd |
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| 11:07.41 | topi` | it just worries me that the bits get "corrupted" along the way |
| 11:07.50 | topi` | maybe a bug in dmsetup? |
| 11:07.57 | topi` | I'm on debian jessie |
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| 11:09.46 | crypt1d | hmm, perhaps. But I'd think that dd might be taking some bits that it shouldn't when u initially copy the LVM |
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| 11:09.54 | crypt1d | perhaps u need an offset, or to skip first few bits |
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| 11:36.38 | DrOwl | Hi All, I am looking for some help with a new Install, I used a Live usb stick to install 7.8 on my laptop... i used the luks encripted disk option, and all went well untill it came to installing Grub. |
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| 11:37.06 | DrOwl | any attempt to install Grub or lilo, via the installer failed |
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| 11:39.27 | DrOwl | should that sda1 be /"boot" |
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| 11:57.19 | Screwba | Heya gang |
| 11:57.31 | SirLagz | hi |
| 11:57.34 | Screwba | So when is the planned release of Jessie? |
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| 11:57.44 | SirLagz | when all the bugs are fixed |
| 11:58.13 | Screwba | Hahahhahha... |
| 11:58.51 | Screwba | Thanks |
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| 12:11.21 | yei | hello |
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| 12:16.16 | jelly | DrOwl: what is in that lvm pv? pastebin the output of "lsblk" |
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| 12:19.45 | damiox | Hi. I have an Intel HD Graphics 3000 (integrated video board in my i7 2nd gen cpu), and even if I plug the HDMI to my TV, xrandr keeps saying "HDMI1 disconnected" (it worked in Windows). Based on what I've researched, it looks like there are some issues with HDMI+IntelHD3000 in Linux. Any thoughts? |
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| 12:20.29 | jelly | damiox: which debian release are you using? |
| 12:21.25 | damiox | jelly, I'm using Debian Jessie up to date |
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| 12:21.54 | jelly | then you're using latest drivers debian has to offer, and you're out of luck |
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| 12:22.40 | jelly | damiox: sometimes having all the monitors plugged in at power-on time, or when X is starting, make it detect them better |
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| 12:23.04 | damiox | jellow, I'll give it a try |
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| 12:27.05 | DrOwl | jelly: its empty 0 bites used |
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| 12:27.58 | jelly | DrOwl: that... is weird. Where's that lsblk? How large is it? |
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| 12:29.20 | DrOwl | paste.debian.net/163152 |
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| 12:34.28 | jelly | DrOwl: what does vgdisplay say? |
| 12:34.28 | DrOwl | im not sure if it had somehting to do with uefi,tpm on this silly Thinkpad from what i have read on the internet it should work! |
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| 12:34.54 | jelly | I doubt uefi knows aboot linux LVM |
| 12:35.04 | DrOwl | but when the installed tried to install ether Grub or Lilo, there was an "unable to install" error, very quickly |
| 12:35.39 | DrOwl | jelly: i am not booted to the installed OS, im running from the live disk |
| 12:35.53 | DrOwl | pv display shows no groups |
| 12:36.19 | jelly | DrOwl: vgdisplay? alright then |
| 12:36.46 | DrOwl | sorry yes |
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| 12:37.04 | DrOwl | vgdiplay says "No Volume groups found" |
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| 12:37.08 | JotaMG | Hi! In wheezy, installed python from jessie, try to downgrade, but now my python is broken : "ImportError: No module named site" / |
| 12:37.12 | jelly | I'd probably format a normal ext3 fs on the partition and use it as /boot yes |
| 12:37.15 | JotaMG | any help, please?? |
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| 12:39.11 | DrOwl | jelly: thank you ill try that then |
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| 12:44.42 | JotaMG | any help how to get rid of the "ImportError: No module named site" error? |
| 12:44.54 | JotaMG | my python is now unusable |
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| 12:45.53 | dolf | Hi folks, how do I manually tell apt that some packages have in fact been successfully installed (by editing a file perhaps somewhere)? Whenever I do apt-get install -f it wants to configure a few more pakcages, but they've already been configured and are stuck in a loop because of it |
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| 12:49.32 | dolf | nvm. File I was looking for was /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:50.03 | Brigo | dolf, apt doesn't stuck for configuring a package twice. It shuold be a problem with those packages. |
| 12:50.50 | JotaMG | Hi! In wheezy, installed python from jessie, try to downgrade, but now my python is broken : "ImportError: No module named site |
| 12:51.19 | JotaMG | I cannot use python now |
| 12:51.32 | tar-xvf | #DataHoarder |
| 12:51.44 | JotaMG | any help, please? |
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| 12:52.22 | Brigo | JotaMG, uninstall python at all and install it again? |
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| 12:52.54 | JotaMG | but if I do that I also lost other packages |
| 12:53.08 | JotaMG | and probably their configuration? |
| 12:53.28 | JotaMG | is that the only solution? |
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| 12:53.51 | Brigo | JotaMG, reinstall them too. |
| 12:54.07 | dolf | Brigo, I'm downgrading some packages and the postinst scripts dont fully support that |
| 12:54.14 | dolf | by manually updating dpkg's db I now fixed it |
| 12:54.38 | Brigo | JotaMG, you will not lose their configuration. |
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| 12:55.09 | Iridos | JotaMG, no surprise... you should never mix testing/unstable packages into stable... and downgrades are not supported |
| 12:55.29 | JotaMG | yes, now I understand that |
| 12:55.37 | Brigo | because downgrade is not supported at all. Your system could be hardly damaged |
| 12:56.15 | JotaMG | the problem seems to be only at python2.7-minimal |
| 12:56.44 | JotaMG | should I just remove or need to purge?? |
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| 12:59.51 | Brigo | JotaMG, remove is ok, purge will remove the config files, you could need them in the future. |
| 13:00.38 | JotaMG | ok will try that |
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| 13:00.58 | JotaMG | I need to take a note of all the packages that will be also removed |
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| 13:02.52 | Iridos | but downgrades are exactly not supported because software packages don't support downgrading config files |
| 13:03.11 | Iridos | and packages cannot magically do that for every software |
| 13:03.16 | Iridos | dpkg, downgrade |
| 13:03.16 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 13:06.34 | JotaMG | ok, thank very much |
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| 13:23.26 | Savemech | hi guys! i have ftp, and trying to save some space; but mounted nfs arent acessible via ftp, its says "550 Failed to change directory. |
| 13:23.26 | Savemech | " |
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| 13:23.54 | Savemech | maybee its a way to mount in ftp export directory, or some another more "handy" way around? |
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| 13:25.37 | lroe | server A is sending syslog to server B. Server B logs these messages but instead of using its IP it is using its hostname. Which host do I need to look at to change that so on server B I see the IP address that logs the message |
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| 13:32.14 | Ssquidly | hi ! i've got a small issue : i'm using an azerty french keyboard and since a few days ago the "^" character doesn't behave normally i can't type the french "ê" |
| 13:32.28 | Ssquidly | I've got XKBMODEL="pc105" and XKBLAYOUT="fr" |
| 13:32.40 | Ssquidly | any ideas for me ? |
| 13:32.49 | Ssquidly | ( it used to work ) |
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| 13:52.42 | anddam | https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages under "restore installed packages" seems wrong, it's overwriting /backup/installed-software.log on the new system before using the same to set the selection |
| 13:52.58 | anddam | doesn't that leave the selection at the exact same point it was before running the commands? |
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| 13:55.36 | mrtnt | What are the practical use cases for ifquer? |
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| 13:56.00 | p3rror | hello |
| 13:56.04 | anddam | mrtnt: what's that? |
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| 13:56.49 | nkuttler | mrtnt: validating syntax? parsing the config in scripts? |
| 13:56.59 | p3rror | logrotate exit with this error http://paste.debian.net/163167/ |
| 13:57.12 | p3rror | What does it mean |
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| 13:57.55 | petn-randall | p3rror: Can you provide the full logs? The context probably is relevant here. |
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| 13:59.05 | Iridos | anddam, the writing (get-selections) is supposed to happen at a point where you want to save... the reading (--set-selections) then prepares to restore that state |
| 13:59.49 | Iridos | anddam, someone, who wrote this, mangled it a bit... or at least skipped a lot of explanation in the middle.. but it's a wiki, you can fix it :) |
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| 14:00.16 | ChrisH | p3rror: man logrotae will show you -d flag to find the duplicate line |
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| 14:00.28 | p3rror | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/163169/ |
| 14:00.29 | Iridos | anddam, or respectively... dpkg --get-selections > file is on the system you want to clone... you can see a short version of this if you /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 14:01.22 | petn-randall | p3rror: I meant where do those two errors come from? That log file is more relevant here. |
| 14:01.27 | anddam | Iridos: I figure how it should be done, in fact the get-selection is suggested earlier, before installing base |
| 14:01.56 | anddam | Iridos: my guess too was that the author pasted the get-selection line rather than typing it, edited to set-selection and forgot to clear it |
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| 14:03.03 | anddam | ok, I think I'm ready to move |
| 14:03.16 | p3rror | ChrisH: duplicate line where ? |
| 14:03.38 | p3rror | petn-randall: I did not understand |
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| 14:05.46 | ChrisH | p3rror: error: omessages:1 duplicate log entry <-- from your paste... didn't you read your error messages? |
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| 14:06.32 | Dixi____ | When I perform this: "echo "Subject: Test" | tail -1 file.txt | sendmail -f sender@sender.com -t receiver@receiver.com" I receive the mail with the last line, but the subject is not included in the mail? I cant shrink my head around this.? |
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| 14:08.05 | Dixi____ | how ever if I just do a echo "subject: test" | cat - file.txt | I get an email with the entire content of file.txt, as well as the subject in my mail. |
| 14:08.53 | DrOwl | Ok , i managed to get a little further... created and formated /boot and got grup2 installed on it, of course there is no config for it yet... it will boot i just get the grub command prompt though. |
| 14:09.38 | DrOwl | Have been looking arround at places like "https://wiki.debian.org/Grub" but they all seem to asume that you are in the OS whilst doing the grub config |
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| 14:10.21 | DrOwl | how can i get grub to boot to my luks local install |
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| 14:11.41 | ChrisH | Dixi____: did you run echo "Subject: Test" | tail -1 file.txt ?? Does it wortk as expected? I would assume to see only the last line of file.txt and nothing else |
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| 14:12.18 | Dixi____ | Yes ChrisH . That works just fine. But the Subject is not included in the mail |
| 14:14.05 | ChrisH | Dixi____: Please show me that on paste.debian.net I checked it and I only see the last line of file.txt |
| 14:14.20 | Dixi____ | I do too, but there is no email subject |
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| 14:15.35 | mrtnt | nkuttler: ok.. Maybe for parsing the config in scripts it is indeed somewhat useful. However, one could always use the /etc/network/interfaces file to parse. |
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| 14:17.00 | Dixi____ | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/JF5zNsTh |
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| 14:25.04 | Dixi____ | How ever ChrisH look here: http://pastebin.com/gH1CkQEG - if I do "cat -" the subject is included. |
| 14:25.07 | petn-randall | p3rror: You got two error message, I want to see more of the log where that was in. |
| 14:25.07 | ChrisH | Dixi____: Where can you see the Subject line? I just quote your writing: "15:12 < Dixi____> Yes ChrisH . That works just fine. " |
| 14:25.52 | Dixi____ | ChrisH: do you understand what I am trying to explain? |
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| 14:27.36 | ChrisH | Dixi____: tail does not pickup the stuff from STDIN. so the easiest way might be. echo subject > $TMPFILE ; tail -f file.txt >> $TMPFILE ; sendmail $OPTIONS < $TMPFILE |
| 14:28.43 | p3rror | petn-randall: I fix it |
| 14:28.54 | Dixi____ | Ill try ChrisH |
| 14:29.10 | p3rror | as said ChrisH I run logrotate with -d option and I found a duplicate entry |
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| 14:32.10 | Dixi____ | that does not work either ChrisH |
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| 14:32.20 | StCyr | Hi, is it normal that I can't configure my eth0 interface via nm-applet on Jessie? |
| 14:32.46 | Dixi____ | I think ill just tail last lines into a file, cat it, send it, rm it. But thank you for your time. |
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| 14:35.38 | jpinx | fresh install of wheezy with lxde and network manager. Wifi not connecting. ifconfig -a shows wlan0 and ifconfig up wlan0 throws no error, but connection not made and key not requested. What am I missing ? |
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| 14:43.35 | rommel092079 | What command can i use to update or upgrade mysql server? |
| 14:43.45 | johnfg | Should I just be able to install evolution 3.12.9 on wheezy from jessie/testing without having too much trouble? |
| 14:44.13 | ctmjr | jpinx: my guess is your missing firmware for the chip |
| 14:44.14 | ChrisH | rommel092079: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will upgrade to the current version |
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| 14:45.24 | rommel092079 | Chrish, i will try that tnx |
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| 14:48.59 | rommel092079 | ChrisH, so that command will suffice? That there is no need to specify the name mysql? |
| 14:49.29 | greycat | apt-get upgrade will upgrade *all* the things to the current versions |
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| 14:49.45 | greycat | except for the things that would require installing a new dependency, etc. |
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| 14:50.49 | rommel092079 | Greycat, so that is for *all*. What if i want mysql only? |
| 14:51.05 | greycat | then you would use something like "apt-get install mysql-server" or whatever the package name is. |
| 14:51.06 | jpinx | ctmjr: firmware installed |
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| 14:52.22 | rommel092079 | Greycat, i will use again the word install to upgrade or update? |
| 14:52.35 | ChrisH | rommel092079: you do not want to upgrade only mysql |
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| 14:53.06 | rommel092079 | ChrisH, why is that? |
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| 14:56.13 | jpinx | D|nA: in here |
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| 14:57.23 | ChrisH | rommel092079: because you want to have the all of the latest security updates |
| 14:57.26 | jpinx | D|nA: fresh install of wheezy with lxde and network manager. Wifi not connecting. ifconfig -a shows wlan0 and ifconfig up wlan0 throws no error, but connection not made and key not requested. What am I missing ? |
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| 14:59.12 | jhutchins | rommel092079: the upgrade command will accept a package name and upgrade only that and dependent packages. |
| 14:59.27 | rommel092079 | Alright. Thanks for the info. |
| 15:00.09 | jhutchins | jpinx: Possibly the iwconfig commands to set encyrption, ssid, and key? |
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| 15:19.46 | sydney_untangle | Here is a question. |
| 15:20.06 | sydney_untangle | I jsut got a new monitor and am waiting on my dvi-i to vga adapter cord. |
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| 15:20.22 | sydney_untangle | But when i get it, my 2 screens will run at diferent resolutions. |
| 15:20.31 | sydney_untangle | How does that stretch over a DE/WM? |
| 15:20.55 | sydney_untangle | Do they both need to be the same resolution? |
| 15:20.59 | sydney_untangle | I use i3. |
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| 15:21.46 | ChrisH | sydney_untangle: KDE does not have a problem... I run such a setup (two different resulotions) for years... |
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| 15:22.12 | sydney_untangle | also, nvidia drivers |
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| 15:24.00 | sydney_untangle | But, say does the bottom bad (i3bar) stay at the bottom of both screens no matter what? |
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| 15:28.10 | babilen | sydney_untangle: It's no problem to use different resolution. You will, naturally, have more space on one than on the other. |
| 15:28.19 | babilen | *resolutions |
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| 15:29.09 | polyphagia | sydney_untangle: i think i3bar specifically is repeated |
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| 15:29.46 | sydney_untangle | Ah, i see. |
| 15:29.56 | sydney_untangle | Sounds liek it will work ok. |
| 15:30.01 | sydney_untangle | like* |
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| 15:30.25 | babilen | It will, I used that on various occasions |
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| 16:00.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | so i'm looking at two packages in the jessie repo... |
| 16:01.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | libgoogle-gson-java and libdnsjava-java |
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| 16:01.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | libgoogle-gson-java installs to /usr/share/maven-repo/..., which libdnsjava-java installs to /usr/share/java/. |
| 16:02.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/which/while/ |
| 16:02.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | what's up with that? |
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| 16:02.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | context: i'm trying to package up a java project using mh_make, and it's soooo not working. |
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| 16:03.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | installing libgoogle-gson-java has cleared up the complaints mh_make had about that... |
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| 16:03.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | but installing libdnsjava-java did nothing, since "package libdnsjava-java does not contain Maven dependency dnsjava:dnsjava:jar:debian" |
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| 16:04.53 | bazhang | ,v maven |
| 16:04.54 | judd | Package: maven on i386 -- wheezy: 3.0.4-3; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.0.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 3.0.5-3; sid: 3.0.5-3; experimental: 3.0.5-4 |
| 16:05.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | what do i do from here? copy dnsjava under /usr/share/maven-repo/... ? |
| 16:05.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | and create a pom file myself? |
| 16:05.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | or is there a substitution rule i can feed to mh_make that would be a reasonable workaround? |
| 16:06.21 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: ask in #debian-java over on OFTC |
| 16:06.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | i did. hours ago :P |
| 16:06.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | the mentors folks directed me there. |
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| 16:12.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | i see the life of a maintainer is a lonely one :P |
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| 16:19.25 | johnfg | Should I just be able to install evolution 3.12.9 on wheezy from jessie/testing without having too much trouble? 3.4.4 is what's currently installed. |
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| 16:28.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | so maybe someone can help me with maven-repo-helper at least? |
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| 16:28.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | it supposedly creates poms and jars under /usr/share/maven-repo/ for packages that don't already do that themselves. |
| 16:29.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | (like libdnsjava-java) |
| 16:29.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | so, how do i use it? :P |
| 16:29.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | the documentation (https://wiki.debian.org/Java/MavenRepoHelper) isn't very clear imho |
| 16:29.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | it shows an example of how an existing package uses maven-repo-helper |
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| 16:32.30 | susmus | hello |
| 16:32.32 | Brigo | !tell johnfg about ssb |
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| 16:36.57 | susmus | is there a way to run a program from a .deb file and tell it to use the libs packaged with it? I extracted it with deb2targz, but it wants to use the system libs. |
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| 16:39.17 | greycat | One way, I think, would be to split the libs into a separate package, and pre-depends: it. |
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| 16:40.09 | fraff | susmus: search for LD_PRELOAD |
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| 16:43.12 | susmus | fraff: thank you :) I will try that |
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| 16:56.17 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: maven really isn't a Debian thing, it's a java thing. |
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| 16:58.13 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I understand you're asking why the packages don't seem to mesh properly, but if you're looking for a solution somewhere like #java might be better. |
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| 17:26.39 | johnfg | Brigo: Thanks for sending the info! |
| 17:26.58 | Brigo | johnfg, could you ported that? |
| 17:28.26 | johnfg | Brigo: I didn't *yet*, they just released 3.16.0 as the current stable version. So, I may wait a bit. |
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| 17:28.57 | Brigo | johnfg, ok, glad to be usefull :) |
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| 17:34.14 | hseg | Hi. I'm trying to debug a program using GDB, but whenever I tell GDB to run my program, it opens a shell instead. |
| 17:34.17 | hseg | Any ideas/ |
| 17:34.19 | hseg | ? |
| 17:34.29 | greycat | type "run" at the gdb prompt |
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| 17:39.34 | rww | hseg: Please don't crosspost between #ubuntu and #debian. Use whichever channel corresponds to the distro you're actually using. |
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| 17:39.55 | noahmg123 | I want to chroot into my secondary linux instalation from my primary (I am triple booted with them and windows) |
| 17:40.20 | greycat | mount it, chroot into it. |
| 17:40.47 | rww | i should set a trigger for this... |
| 17:40.54 | rww | noahmg123: Please don't crosspost between #ubuntu and #debian. Use whichever channel corresponds to the distro you're actually using. |
| 17:41.02 | noahmg123 | ok |
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| 17:42.38 | hseg | OK, sorry. |
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| 17:58.16 | jklia | I'm having some trouble with Jessie and my (free) wireless card. In GNOME I have to kill dhclient and rerun it in the terminal to be able to acquire an IP address. I can't find anything relevant in the logs. |
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| 17:59.51 | abrotman | jklia: is network manager mananging your card? |
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| 18:00.31 | jklia | Yes. NetworkManager says the card is connected, but I can't actually use the Internet until I kill/restart dhclient in the terminal. |
| 18:00.55 | abrotman | rfkill perhaps? |
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| 18:02.32 | jklia | abrotman: rfkill list does not seem to list the card. |
| 18:02.50 | abrotman | make sure the card isn't listed in your interfaces file also |
| 18:03.16 | jklia | abrotman: It is not listed in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 18:04.06 | abrotman | well, that's neat .. |
| 18:04.19 | abrotman | if you turn off/on wireless in network-manager, it also does nothing? |
| 18:05.00 | jklia | abrotman: Right. It'll restart and say that I'm connected, but I'll be unable to ping anything or browse until I killall -9 dhclient and run dhclient in the terminal. |
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| 18:05.13 | abrotman | and no logs? |
| 18:05.28 | abrotman | (have you looked to see if there's a setting to make n-m verbose? in debug mode?) |
| 18:05.28 | valdyn | jklia: who are what do you think starts dhclient when network-manager does not use it and theres nothing in interfaces? |
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| 18:06.03 | jklia | valdyn: NetworkManager does detect and is managing the card, as far as I know. It's where I found the ESSID and entered the passkey. |
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| 18:07.50 | valdyn | jklia: when dhclient is runinng, hit pstree and show us, maybe then i can see what started it |
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| 18:12.41 | valdyn | jklia: it seems even dhcpcd will use dhclient, so i was on the wrong track there, but the pstree output may still be useful |
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| 18:37.18 | chroneos | echo `curl -s http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/placement/availability-zone` |
| 18:37.21 | chroneos | whoops |
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| 18:41.09 | i00nsu | hi all, how to install grub in a folder inside of chroot !? |
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| 19:04.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: i know how to use maven. it's debian's maven helper that i don't know anything about. and that's most definitely a debian thing. |
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| 19:12.38 | shomon | hi, what is the best distro variant of debian, for day to day security conscious work? I guess if most stuff goes through tor that's fine but I don't need something as hardcore or restricted as tails... |
| 19:12.47 | greycat | Debian. |
| 19:12.49 | shomon | also if that's OT, is there a channel to ask that kind of thing? |
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| 19:13.58 | shomon | sorry I forgot a bit there: for a live usb install |
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| 19:16.47 | ksk | shomon: what grey cat says ;) just debian |
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| 19:17.06 | foreverska | is there a VPN manager besides NetworkManager... or a way to run NetworkManager without the start bar and all of that. |
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| 19:17.21 | foreverska | *GUI VPN manager |
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| 19:20.11 | shomon | ksk yeah but if I go into some other distro's channel they will each vote for themselves too... I guess with debian I couldnever figure out how to get persistence working |
| 19:20.24 | chroneos | If you're looking to roll your own live-ish build, I'm particularly fond of debirf. |
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| 19:25.04 | yates | looking for suggestions on bluetooth modules that will plug and play on a bbb under debian. |
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| 19:29.59 | shomon | chroneos, that looks brilliant, thanks! |
| 19:30.55 | rabbitear_sdf | +1 |
| 19:31.16 | chroneos | np, it works pretty well out of the box and is really customizable. |
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| 19:31.30 | chroneos | use it w/ apt-cacher-ng to save time. |
| 19:32.12 | Mousey | comes with a handy web interface |
| 19:32.21 | Mousey | i switched from approx to apt-cacher-ng, was not disappoint |
| 19:32.26 | Mousey | US$0.02++ |
| 19:32.35 | shomon | it'd be a dream to have a distro-ish thing to use within projects with everything already set up... we have about 75 people all of whom have to slowly figure out how to install bits of software |
| 19:32.52 | shomon | and very few of them are previous linux users.. |
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| 19:34.37 | chroneos | My most frequent use of debirf these days is to regression test config changes on physical boxen. |
| 19:34.46 | chroneos | simple reboot and it's like the movie Groundhog Day. |
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| 19:35.31 | shomon | :) |
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| 19:38.58 | jhutchins | shomon: ansible |
| 19:40.22 | jhutchins | shomon: have a look at pendrivelinux.com - I think they have a good setup for persistent debian. |
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| 20:12.50 | Furai | Hey. Problems with apt-get. Segmentation faults. I did everything I found from apt-get clean, through making sure sources list ok, removing by hand cache...nothing worked. |
| 20:12.56 | Furai | All the time segfaults. |
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| 20:14.00 | bawbags | you haven't changed anything or running custom kernel? |
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| 20:15.35 | mtn | Furai: and which version of debian? |
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| 20:17.00 | bawbags | or any specifics really, segfaults are not common |
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| 20:17.19 | mtn | today is irc non-response day :P |
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| 20:17.38 | Majikthise | looks at mtn |
| 20:17.47 | bawbags | is that an actual day, I thought that was every day :) |
| 20:17.52 | Majikthise | keeps mouth shut |
| 20:18.04 | mtn | bawbags: seems worse to me, but you are probably correct |
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| 20:18.38 | Furai | Wheezy. |
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| 20:19.28 | Furai | Sorry, I lost the Internet connection. I don't know what really happened before because it's not my machine but friend's of mine. He is newbie in the world of linux and he apparently broke something down. |
| 20:19.37 | Furai | Claimed that was only trying to make mysql work. |
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| 20:20.54 | bawbags | what architecture and kernel version (uname -r) |
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| 20:21.23 | bawbags | tbh there shouldn't be any "normal" reason for apt-get to segfault, that's why I ask |
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| 20:24.45 | bawbags | usually I'd put a severe issue like that down to kernel or very badly misconfigured system, overclocking / bad ram timings, etc |
| 20:25.13 | Tenkawa | what happened?> (i wasnt on channel yet) |
| 20:25.53 | bawbags | Furai has a problem with apt-get (it segfaults every time it's used) |
| 20:26.13 | Tenkawa | only apt-get? |
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| 20:26.22 | bawbags | idk he has gone quiet |
| 20:26.27 | Tenkawa | or any/all dpkg/apt commands |
| 20:26.29 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 20:26.58 | bawbags | but I am assuming there must be some reason like "I upgraded to sid, I upgraded the kernel, i used bad package repos" etc |
| 20:27.13 | Furai | 2.6.32-042stab094.7 |
| 20:27.29 | Furai | dpkg works. |
| 20:27.29 | dpkg | well, works is something I am |
| 20:27.36 | Tenkawa | hmmm |
| 20:27.37 | Furai | :d |
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| 20:27.55 | bawbags | 2.6.32 |
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| 20:27.56 | Furai | It's a vps. |
| 20:28.00 | dondelelcaro | Furai: what does strace -ff apt-get update; or similar do? |
| 20:28.02 | Furai | Maybe RAM issue? |
| 20:28.03 | bawbags | when was this system installed |
| 20:28.04 | Tenkawa | oh |
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| 20:28.21 | bawbags | wheezy comes standard issue with 3.2x kernel |
| 20:28.32 | dondelelcaro | Furai: and you've removed /var/cache/apt/*.bin; right? |
| 20:28.39 | Furai | dondelelcaro, yup |
| 20:28.52 | dondelelcaro | Furai: ok; the output of that strace command will give you an idea of what's going on. |
| 20:29.08 | Furai | Unfortunately it seems that he doesn't have strace. |
| 20:29.09 | dondelelcaro | Furai: it's possible that you've got some corruption in a library that apt-get is using, or similar. |
| 20:29.15 | dondelelcaro | Furai: well, install it. |
| 20:29.20 | Furai | I've reinstalled libc |
| 20:29.26 | Furai | libstdc++ |
| 20:29.49 | Furai | Quick link to download it? |
| 20:29.58 | Furai | apt-get doesn't work, right? :D |
| 20:30.02 | dondelelcaro | Furai: which version of debian and which architecture? |
| 20:30.36 | dondelelcaro | Furai: apt-cache policy strace; should also give you the link, assuming that doesn't also segfault. |
| 20:30.49 | dondelelcaro | err, apt-cache show strace;, rather |
| 20:31.11 | Furai | segfaults |
| 20:31.22 | dondelelcaro | Furai: well, what architecture and version of debian is this? |
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| 20:31.47 | dondelelcaro | is going to make a bet that it's actually corruption in libapt-pkg or libapt-private |
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| 20:32.27 | Furai | https://gist.github.com/lucasgrzegorczyk/411c50e878da22027153 |
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| 20:33.01 | dondelelcaro | Furai: what does dpkg --print-architecture; output? |
| 20:33.25 | Furai | amd64 |
| 20:33.26 | dondelelcaro | and that's definitely not a Debian kernel. |
| 20:33.36 | Furai | Sorry, I didn't really get what you meant at first. |
| 20:33.41 | Furai | I was installing amd64 packages. |
| 20:34.09 | Furai | Could he somehow install different kernel? |
| 20:34.20 | dondelelcaro | anyway; wget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/strace/strace_4.5.20-2.3_amd64.deb; and dpkg -i that. |
| 20:34.29 | dondelelcaro | Furai: also, while you're doing that, you can check to see what is corrupted. |
| 20:34.31 | Furai | Maybe this VPS provider just sucks? |
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| 20:34.49 | Furai | on it. |
| 20:34.54 | Furai | Thanks for help, btw. |
| 20:34.57 | dondelelcaro | Furai: cd /; md5sum --check /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |grep -v OK; |
| 20:35.11 | dondelelcaro | (or something like that) |
| 20:35.13 | kWO901 | Here is how my xsession error file looks like http://paste.debian.net/163243/ |
| 20:35.27 | kWO901 | any advice? |
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| 20:35.53 | dondelelcaro | kWO901: what's the problem? |
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| 20:36.27 | kWO901 | dondelelcaro: I was just wondering whats up with this stuff showing as errors |
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| 20:36.50 | Furai | dondelelcaro, that command so far hangs, no output. |
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| 20:37.20 | dondelelcaro | Furai: it'll take it a while to finish |
| 20:37.29 | Furai | no output at all, just finished |
| 20:37.47 | dondelelcaro | Furai: uh... that's surprising |
| 20:38.00 | bawbags | kWO901, some minor or unimportant errors, nothing to worry about unless something misbehaves |
| 20:38.02 | Furai | strace was running indefinitely |
| 20:38.16 | dondelelcaro | Furai: it'll just output until it segfaults |
| 20:38.22 | dondelelcaro | Furai: so that's nothing surprising |
| 20:38.35 | dondelelcaro | Furai: eventually it should segfault, and then you'll have an answer |
| 20:38.37 | Furai | Ah, yeah, got the segfault. |
| 20:38.47 | dondelelcaro | or at least, you'll have more information. |
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| 20:39.09 | dondelelcaro | if you can paste as much of the strace output as possible, that'd be useful |
| 20:39.18 | dondelelcaro | (the end is really what we need, though) |
| 20:39.22 | Furai | https://gist.github.com/e2ff22ad1cd7234cea4a |
| 20:39.28 | Furai | This is the end after all the pid stuff |
| 20:39.55 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's not really enough |
| 20:40.14 | dondelelcaro | that's just it segfaulting, and not precisely what it was doing when it segfaulted |
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| 20:40.41 | dondelelcaro | basically, I'd want to know what it was reading from, because that's likely screwed up |
| 20:40.47 | Furai | Hmm, how can I save it to file? It's stderr? |
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| 20:41.06 | Furai | I tried just > to some file |
| 20:41.07 | dondelelcaro | Furai: strace -f -o output foo |
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| 20:41.29 | dondelelcaro | Furai: that will save it to a file called output; man strace; for more details. |
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| 20:41.48 | kWO901 | bawbags: ok thx |
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| 20:43.37 | xa | hi all. i have char spacing issues in Freeplane application, especially in between bold and regular chars. anyone knowing anth about that ? |
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| 20:44.02 | kWO901 | ok wheezy a scrip has to be LSB compliant ? |
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| 20:46.47 | kWO901_ | ok wheezy a scrip has to be LSB compliant ? |
| 20:47.39 | dondelelcaro | kWO901: I don't follow |
| 20:48.04 | dondelelcaro | kWO901: scripts don't have to be LSB compliant, but the init scripts in Debian have LSB headers in wheezy |
| 20:48.25 | kWO901_ | dondelelcaro: i am reading a tutorial that says |
| 20:48.27 | kWO901_ | Please note that on latest Debian, this will not work as your script have to be LSB compliant (provide, at least, the following actions: start, stop, restart, force-reload, and status): |
| 20:48.48 | kWO901_ | dondelelcaro: , so i should not worry about this? |
| 20:50.02 | dondelelcaro | kWO901_: if you're talking about an init script, just use /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 20:50.07 | dondelelcaro | kWO901_: copy that, and base your script off of that. |
| 20:51.07 | kWO901_ | dondelelcaro: i created a script that starts chrome browser pidgin and music player ... now I want the script to run at start-up |
| 20:51.16 | kWO901_ | you say i should put it in /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
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| 20:51.40 | dondelelcaro | kWO901_: no. You should use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a basis for init scripts. |
| 20:52.01 | bawbags | that doesn't really belong in init scripts, it should be in your home directory |
| 20:52.02 | dondelelcaro | kWO901_: but if you want to start chrome, pdigin, and your music player, those belong in .xsession or whatever your display manager uses to start sessions |
| 20:52.26 | kWO901_ | dondelelcaro: yeah i did the xsession stuff and failed |
| 20:52.39 | dondelelcaro | (if you tell us whether you're using gnome, kde, or something else, someone here can tell you what to do) |
| 20:52.41 | kWO901_ | made the script executable and everything. doesnt run at boot |
| 20:52.55 | kWO901_ | is running lxde |
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| 20:53.37 | bawbags | you shouldn't be trying to make it run at boot, it can't start until you login |
| 20:53.43 | Arrowmaster | try ~/.config/autostart/ |
| 20:53.57 | dondelelcaro | kWO901_: apparently, for lxde, you use lxsession http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession |
| 20:54.00 | bawbags | since you need an xserver for chromium and pidgin |
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| 20:54.20 | kWO901 | back |
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| 20:56.19 | Arrowmaster | kWO901: copy the .desktop files for the programs you want autostarted to ~/.config/autostart/ |
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| 20:58.44 | Furai | dondelelcaro, https://gist.github.com/b613efec6f41158ada48 took me a while, go sidetracked. |
| 20:58.52 | Furai | Not sure if this even helps. |
| 20:59.00 | Furai | It says something about missing things. |
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| 20:59.49 | Furai | got* |
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| 21:04.11 | Furai | I have to go, I might be back laetr. |
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| 21:04.58 | kWO901 | ln: target `/etc/rc.d/' is not a directory: No such file or directory |
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| 21:05.16 | kWO901 | why no such file ? |
| 21:05.35 | dondelelcaro | Furai: hrm; that doesn't have it segfaulting, and I don't really see anything else wrong with it |
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| 21:08.06 | Furai | I'm actually back for a while... dondelelcaro maybe I copied the wrong part... I got that strace in many files |
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| 21:08.16 | dondelelcaro | Furai: oh. You ran it with -ff, not with -f |
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| 21:08.28 | Furai | Umh, yup. |
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| 21:08.33 | Furai | I thought that you wanted me to do it so |
| 21:08.50 | dondelelcaro | heh; -ff vs -f is no different when you're just outputing to stderr |
| 21:09.02 | dondelelcaro | and I type -ff by habit |
| 21:09.08 | Furai | ok |
| 21:09.14 | Furai | so single f then? |
| 21:09.20 | dondelelcaro | but yeah, just -f when you use -o unless you want it split by pid, which we don't |
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| 21:09.42 | Furai | Hah, I read the docs I'd notice it. |
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| 21:12.52 | Furai | https://gist.github.com/b6ea4cc8c4e93a6c80e0 |
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| 21:15.10 | Furai | @ dondelelcaro (sorry if the ping was unnecessary) |
| 21:16.34 | dondelelcaro | Furai: 19241 mmap(NULL, 33912863, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, 5, 0) = -1 ENOMEM (Cannot allocate memory) |
| 21:16.39 | dondelelcaro | Furai: this doesn't look good. |
| 21:16.41 | Furai | ram |
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| 21:17.03 | Furai | Ok, I told my friend like an hour ago to contact them about the ram. |
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| 21:17.35 | dondelelcaro | Furai: plus, 19241 write(1, "\rReading package lists... Error!"..., 33) = 33 |
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| 21:17.48 | Furai | What would that mean? |
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| 21:18.37 | dondelelcaro | Furai: so, I'm going to guess that you need to rm -f /var/lib/apt/lists/* /var/cache/apt/*.bin*; |
| 21:18.53 | dondelelcaro | Furai: see if after that an apt-get update will complete or output something moderately useful |
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| 21:19.06 | Furai | I did that with lists... |
| 21:19.13 | Furai | And it was still segfaulting |
| 21:19.31 | Furai | I todl you that I tried almost everything I could think of, google. |
| 21:19.45 | Furai | But I'll try it yet again. |
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| 21:20.41 | Furai | dondelelcaro, remove partial dir as well and recreate it? |
| 21:21.36 | dondelelcaro | Furai: yeah |
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| 21:21.50 | Furai | If I haven't voiced my gratitude enough yet then I'm saying it once again - thanks a lot for your help and your time. I really do appreciate it. |
| 21:22.11 | dondelelcaro | no problem; this sort of problem can be very annouing |
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| 21:22.41 | Furai | strace that apt-get update just in case? |
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| 21:23.16 | dondelelcaro | Furai: yeah |
| 21:23.25 | Furai | Segfaulted. |
| 21:23.32 | Furai | Straced it |
| 21:23.34 | dondelelcaro | hrm; can you put the strace up? |
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| 21:24.02 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.17 | Tenkawa | nm.. found it |
| 21:24.40 | Furai | https://gist.github.com/c94a69a7a19d0d6c3c75 |
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| 21:25.42 | Furai | I see the same errors you have highlighted before. |
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| 21:29.18 | Furai | Ok, I don't think I will come up with something new here. I'll be back later. |
| 21:29.30 | Tenkawa | whats the backtrace tell you? |
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| 21:31.22 | dondelelcaro | Furai: ok; yeah, it's almost certainly running out of memory, and then segfaulting |
| 21:31.43 | dondelelcaro | Furai: either this machine has almost no ram, or someone has turned off overcommit or both. |
| 21:32.01 | Furai | I bet on the first. |
| 21:32.17 | dondelelcaro | Furai: what does free; output? If it's not at least 256M, all bets are off. |
| 21:32.52 | dondelelcaro | Furai: if you think that's the issue, I'd try cutting down my sources.list; remove non-free, security, and contrib, and only have one main repository. [I'd also ditch security for the time being.] |
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| 21:33.19 | Furai | https://gist.github.com/637d0b84352319130d5d |
| 21:33.22 | dondelelcaro | 19661 mmap(NULL, 33912863, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, 5, 0) = -1 ENOMEM (Cannot allocate memory) <-- this basically shouldn't be happening. |
| 21:33.52 | dondelelcaro | huh. that should be more than enough memory |
| 21:34.01 | Furai | I have seen somewhere while googling peopel suggesting to change cache size |
| 21:34.08 | dondelelcaro | is this running under openvz or something similar? does dmesg; output anything useful? |
| 21:34.16 | Furai | dmesg is empyt |
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| 21:34.32 | Furai | It's a vps. No idea what do they use there. |
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| 21:34.37 | dondelelcaro | Furai: that advice is out of date; apt-get increases its cache size automatically |
| 21:35.05 | dondelelcaro | yeah; I'd guess this is probably some VPS specific issue; that mmap shouldn't be failing like that |
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| 21:35.24 | Furai | I'll tell my friend to inclued that strace. |
| 21:35.36 | Furai | And point out the line |
| 21:35.44 | Furai | Thanks again. |
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| 21:59.29 | jhambo | Hi All, I'm running debian stable and it seems that Java plugins don't work in either chromium or iceweasel. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:02.23 | centrx | jhambo, install icedtea |
| 22:02.45 | centrx | icedtea-7-plugin |
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| 22:04.19 | jhambo | centrx: I did that. I still get "This plug-in is not supported" on the Java test page |
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| 22:05.08 | jhambo | centrx: also, I don't see any java plugin at chrome://plugins/ |
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| 22:08.30 | centrx | jhambo, seems like issues between icedtea and chromium, search online for [chromium icedtea debian] |
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| 22:13.32 | jhambo | Hmmmm, so it's currently not possible to use sites with java in debian? |
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| 22:14.34 | Fusselkater | chromium/chrome does not support nsapi plugins anymore |
| 22:14.50 | jhambo | Fusselkater: I can't get it to work in iceweasel either... |
| 22:14.54 | jhambo | Are there other options? |
| 22:15.34 | Fusselkater | i think it should work in iceweasel. but cant test it here |
| 22:15.49 | indrora | jhambo: Not really. java in the browser is pretty dead. You could try Eipiphany or Uzbl, depending on your bent. |
| 22:17.07 | jhambo | When I go to add-ons manager in Iceweasel I don't see anything for Java even though I've installed java using aptitude. |
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| 22:17.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | what does java have to do with iceweasel? |
| 22:17.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | what are you trying to run java applets?! |
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| 22:18.43 | jhambo | NoImNotNineVolt: yah |
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| 22:19.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's a rather obscure use case nowadays. i wouldn't get my hopes up if i were you. |
| 22:19.19 | jhambo | Okay I think I'm dumb. It's working now in iceweasel. |
| 22:19.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | see, all you needed was some healthy pessimism. |
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| 22:20.30 | jhambo | There was some iceweasel that kept running in the background so I wasn't really restarting it. After actually completely ending the process and restarting the changes took and it works now |
| 22:20.44 | jhambo | Thanks all! |
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| 22:26.22 | ajven | hi, im looking some way how to set my usb headset as main sound card, someone can help maybe ? |
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| 22:30.27 | narcos | Hi all. Has anyone ever managed to get sakis3g running on boot to connect a modem? I add the connection line to /etc/rc.local, but get an error about insufficient permissions. |
| 22:30.40 | narcos | But if I manually run the init script it connects |
| 22:30.46 | narcos | There's only one user - root - on this system |
| 22:31.11 | narcos | I've also tried adding the connect command to /etc/init.d/rc.local, and making a /etc/init.d/sakis script |
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| 22:36.16 | caturday | hi all |
| 22:36.43 | caturday | i'm having a problem with debconf and i think it's because i don't understand how debconf works... |
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| 22:37.55 | caturday | if i set a value with debconf-set-selections that affects how a package is installed (in this case, 'oracle-java8-installer/local'), i can see the change using debconf-get-selections no matter where i call that from, but db_get only works as long as i haven't forked |
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| 22:38.19 | caturday | i wrote a very simple bash script to test this |
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| 22:39.30 | caturday | http://pastebin.com/Nmxi5W3Z |
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| 22:40.09 | caturday | the result of the first test_dbget call prints the correct value for RET (/root/jdk), while the second test_dbget call does not |
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| 22:40.30 | caturday | i'm not sure why this happens, but i assume that i've just made a bad assumption about how values in debconf persist |
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| 22:42.04 | exos | Hi guys |
| 22:42.07 | exos | :) |
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| 22:42.58 | caturday | this is a problem because the deb provided by webupd8team fails to properly retrieve a value for the local oracle-java8-installer cache |
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| 22:58.57 | klys | which channel can I discuss gnu flex in |
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| 23:18.10 | kdog | klys: ask in the #gnu channel maybe? |
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