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| 00:08.25 | veritasemunah | how do i eject my cdrom? when I type 'eject' by itself it ejects the wrong one |
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| 00:09.35 | buu | veritasemunah: Pass it the right device |
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| 00:13.33 | veritasemunah | the eject button stopped working |
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| 00:13.58 | veritasemunah | i did eject -m /dev/cdrom1 and it worked |
| 00:14.05 | veritasemunah | i put in another cd but now i see nothing mounted |
| 00:14.17 | veritasemunah | and because i see nothing mounted i can't eject the new cd |
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| 00:15.33 | buu | veritasemunah: You don't need to mount it to eject it |
| 00:16.11 | veritasemunah | then how do i specify the optical drive i need? I want the tray to open |
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| 00:17.36 | buu | veritasemunah: try sr0 |
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| 00:18.31 | buu | or sg0 |
| 00:18.33 | veritasemunah | "eject sr0" ran without any errors but the drive didn't open |
| 00:18.49 | veritasemunah | sg0!!! |
| 00:18.58 | veritasemunah | fudge it opened then closed itself lol |
| 00:19.03 | buu | haha |
| 00:19.05 | buu | well |
| 00:19.07 | buu | good luck |
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| 00:19.19 | veritasemunah | i need it to mount my disk when it closes though |
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| 00:21.21 | veritasemunah | how do i get it mounted? |
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| 00:23.43 | veritasemunah | i have a cd on /dev/sg0 i think but when i close the disk tray it doesn't automatically mount, how do i mount the cd?? |
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| 00:25.34 | buu | try mount |
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| 02:56.43 | centrx | foreverska, ike-qtgui ? |
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| 02:58.46 | foreverska | 450kb... not bad |
| 02:59.33 | dvs | ??? |
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| 03:08.50 | tdh | phew |
| 03:09.49 | phix | hai tdn ! |
| 03:09.54 | thomas_d | hi |
| 03:09.55 | thomas_d | I made it :D |
| 03:09.56 | phix | thomas_d: even |
| 03:09.59 | phix | wooo! grats |
| 03:10.03 | thomas_d | I've just been installing debian like 50 times |
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| 03:10.07 | thomas_d | screwing it up every time lol |
| 03:10.08 | phix | Was it touch and go for a bit there? |
| 03:10.14 | thomas_d | and I'm scared of getting on IRC without VPN |
| 03:10.16 | dvs | !fai |
| 03:10.16 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 03:10.20 | thomas_d | so I couldn't come here and ask for help :P |
| 03:10.43 | thomas_d | what IRC clients do you guys use? this xchat-gnome one sucks the d |
| 03:11.04 | phix | every debian tool (even the package management system) is more flexible and better quality than redhat or suse :) |
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| 03:11.14 | thomas_d | wont let me store server/channel/user config and when I try to mess with stuff it crashes out... |
| 03:11.29 | phix | thomas_d: install irc on your android phone |
| 03:11.39 | thomas_d | uhh |
| 03:11.57 | thomas_d | how do you know i have an android phone?? |
| 03:12.20 | phix | I always make that assumption so I can yell at people when they say they have an iPhone |
| 03:12.31 | phix | :) |
| 03:12.35 | thomas_d | what if I have a blackberry |
| 03:12.40 | thomas_d | what then |
| 03:12.52 | phix | plus you have chosen to use Linux so I assume you would use Linux on your phone too |
| 03:13.02 | phix | blackberry is backrupt |
| 03:13.27 | thomas_d | lol I do have an android phone but what I don't have on my android phone is this lovely keyboard I'm typing on currently |
| 03:13.47 | phix | Is your lovely keyboard bluetooth? |
| 03:13.51 | thomas_d | it is not |
| 03:13.51 | phix | or usb? |
| 03:14.11 | thomas_d | and if it was I still don't think I'd feel great about plugging it into my phone |
| 03:14.13 | phix | does your android phone support OTG USB? |
| 03:14.14 | thomas_d | it's only an s3 mini |
| 03:14.23 | phix | oh, mini's sadly dont support OTG :( |
| 03:14.28 | phix | I have a s4 mini |
| 03:15.07 | thomas_d | actually I take issue with smartphones and tablets |
| 03:15.15 | phix | oh? |
| 03:15.23 | phix | How so? |
| 03:15.30 | thomas_d | I demand the full power of a keyboard and mouse input and a large screen at all times |
| 03:16.16 | phix | sadly the s3 mini doesn't have mini HDMI output either |
| 03:16.25 | phix | but you can get phones and tablets that do |
| 03:16.31 | thomas_d | lol |
| 03:16.34 | phix | s3 mini does support screen sharing though |
| 03:16.47 | thomas_d | do you work for android? |
| 03:17.00 | thomas_d | isnt this the debian channel? |
| 03:17.01 | phix | so you can use your samsung phone with a samsung smart tv :) |
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| 03:17.22 | thomas_d | god forbid the smart tv!!! |
| 03:17.22 | phix | I dont work for android, I am pushing samsung but I don't work for them either :) |
| 03:17.26 | thomas_d | what would alex jones say! crikey!! |
| 03:17.42 | phix | alex jones? or Allan Jones? |
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| 03:18.41 | thomas_d | allan jones or allen jones? |
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| 03:37.53 | AlphaTech | Does anyone know of a nice VPS software that can help me manage my VPS from an iOS device? |
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| 03:44.17 | k_sze[work] | On debian, is this what I basically need to do if I want to test the effectiveness of a hardware watchdog? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66197/how-to-cause-kernel-panic-with-a-single-command |
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| 03:47.07 | yurakeshi | Hi all! I'm new to linux and i'm trying to install bitcoin core(bitcoin-0.10.0-linux64.tar.gz from bitcoin.org) but Package Installer and Software Installer says the package isn't a valid mime type. What should I do? |
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| 03:48.44 | Zerock | Why is apcalc-dev only static-linked? |
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| 03:50.07 | Arrowmaster | yurakeshi: tar.gz cant be installed by debian packaging utilities |
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| 03:51.41 | yurakeshi | Arrowmaster: how do i use it then? any work arround? |
| 03:52.17 | Arrowmaster | you would have to manually extract archive or try the ubuntu .deb |
| 03:53.06 | yurakeshi | could you elaborate on how to extract and run it please? |
| 03:53.31 | yurakeshi | i tried just extracting and using auto run on /bin/bitcoin-qt |
| 03:53.41 | yurakeshi | but got nothing |
| 03:54.32 | Arrowmaster | all the files would need to be in the correct location to run it, you would to extract it as root to / |
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| 04:10.02 | duckey | How can I hook up my pc via HDMI to my tv? |
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| 04:15.25 | duckey | hello? |
| 04:15.44 | centrx | duckey, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/debian-7-and-hdmi-output-how-to-configure-default-behaviour-4175495808/ ? |
| 04:15.58 | centrx | duckey, FYI channel is more active during daytime (America/Europe) |
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| 04:24.39 | Elec_A | Hello, When i execute 'apt-get update' I get following error : http://fpaste.org/203070/34384814/ |
| 04:25.08 | Elec_A | my sources.list is : http://fpaste.org/203069/34378814/ |
| 04:25.19 | duckey | centrx, I have jessie |
| 04:27.35 | centrx | duckey, Same concept, if you are using a desktop environment, find the System/Display Settings place for that environment |
| 04:28.25 | centrx | Elec_A, line 16 duplicates line 7 |
| 04:28.35 | buu | Elec_A: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main |
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| 04:28.55 | buu | oh |
| 04:29.01 | buu | oops |
| 04:29.05 | duckey | centrx, The settings they are talking about dont exist in 8. Yeah, display does but its just adjusting the ratio of the screen resolution. Nothing more. |
| 04:30.03 | Elec_A | centrx: but line 16 includes non-free |
| 04:30.40 | buu | Elec_A: Just comment out line 7 |
| 04:30.43 | centrx | duckey, I'm sorry I don't know much about multi-monitor setups |
| 04:30.54 | duckey | okay. |
| 04:31.30 | Elec_A | buu ok thank you. This means that line 16 contains the packages in line 7 AND non-free packages ? |
| 04:31.40 | centrx | Elec_A, yes the lines are not identical, but the source for main - http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 - is duplicated |
| 04:32.53 | Elec_A | centrx: may i delete main in line 16 ? |
| 04:33.26 | Elec_A | to be like : deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free |
| 04:34.06 | centrx | Elec_A, Apparently. I don't know, it would be unusual |
| 04:34.56 | Elec_A | centrx: is this line - deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free - contain both free and non-free packages ? |
| 04:35.09 | Elec_A | sorry this line deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 04:36.20 | centrx | yes |
| 04:36.28 | Elec_A | centrx: ok thank you :) |
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| 04:59.42 | shay_shay | hai |
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| 05:07.11 | phix | oh hai shay_shay! |
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| 05:07.52 | phix | How's your Mandarin? |
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| 05:16.10 | c|AFK|uego | phix: I ate it |
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| 06:09.09 | thomas_d | Has anyone here got BitchX installed successfully on Debian 7+? |
| 06:09.19 | thomas_d | I'm having a terrible time with this lol |
| 06:09.48 | thomas_d | I'm trying with this https://github.com/BitchX/BitchX1.2/wiki |
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| 06:10.03 | thomas_d | it says here "Note: You will need openssl-dev(el), ncurses-dev(el), make, gcc and autoconf to build." |
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| 06:10.35 | thomas_d | though I'm unable to locate openssl-dev |
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| 06:11.03 | thomas_d | oh wait it's libssl-dev |
| 06:11.20 | buu | libssl-dev |
| 06:11.22 | buu | heh |
| 06:11.27 | buu | thomas_d: You could just use irssi |
| 06:11.33 | thomas_d | yeah I guess debian uses "lib" for all this |
| 06:11.40 | thomas_d | yeah I'm trying to find a pretty IRC client |
| 06:11.44 | thomas_d | XChat is horrible on here lol |
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| 06:12.10 | buu | I've never heard bitchx and pretty in the same sentence before! |
| 06:12.15 | thomas_d | I'll probably try that after because I think I've discovered that BitchX runs in terminal |
| 06:12.22 | thomas_d | oh is it awful? |
| 06:12.27 | thomas_d | yeah it's probably terrible I guess |
| 06:12.31 | thomas_d | I liked the name |
| 06:12.43 | buu | irssi is also a console client |
| 06:12.51 | wingman2 | thomas_d: irssi or weechat |
| 06:13.10 | wingman2 | irssi is great though |
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| 06:13.25 | thomas_d | ok thank you |
| 06:13.43 | thomas_d | I did ask earlier but some moron just started going on about android telling me I should run IRC on android :@ lol |
| 06:13.56 | buu | I've used irssi for years, but I like consoles. |
| 06:13.59 | buu | ssh+irc = good |
| 06:14.05 | buu | Well, ssh+screen+anything |
| 06:14.45 | thomas_d | ah so this runs in a terminal window too huh |
| 06:15.00 | wingman2 | yeah |
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| 06:15.39 | thomas_d | that's fine |
| 06:15.44 | thomas_d | I am just loving this guake thing |
| 06:15.53 | thomas_d | so I'm in love with terminals right now |
| 06:15.57 | thomas_d | very new linux/debian user tho |
| 06:17.32 | wingman2 | have you learnt screen/tmux yet? |
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| 06:18.50 | thomas_d | no I don't think so |
| 06:19.10 | thomas_d | I know how to use a computer screen, that's not what you're talking about tho is it |
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| 06:19.23 | wingman2 | nope |
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| 06:25.12 | wingman2 | thomas_d: here http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/tmux.1.html |
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| 06:31.07 | thomas_d | thanks wingman2 |
| 06:31.37 | shay_shay | thomas_d: tmux is niiice |
| 06:31.39 | thomas_d | I'm getting the impression this is going to help me more efficiently do a shit load of consoling |
| 06:31.48 | shay_shay | yes |
| 06:31.55 | thomas_d | nice |
| 06:32.16 | thomas_d | give me a little, just gotta make some porridge and then I'll get tmux and irssi set up hopefully |
| 06:32.18 | shay_shay | you have to pick an editor, emacs or vim |
| 06:32.25 | shay_shay | :D |
| 06:32.32 | thomas_d | oh yeah I saw an irc client for emacs and wondered what that was |
| 06:32.33 | thomas_d | brb tho |
| 06:32.56 | shay_shay | which editor you pick will determine which side of the linux civil war you are on |
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| 06:50.21 | thomas_d | there we go I think?? |
| 06:50.28 | thomas_d | ya... was IRC'd as root before was the problem lol |
| 06:50.29 | wingman2 | yes |
| 06:51.16 | thomas_d | so what was that that was being said about a civil war? :) |
| 06:51.28 | shay_shay | between irssi and weechat |
| 06:51.43 | thomas_d | oh not between tmux and something else? |
| 06:51.48 | phy1729 | tmux and screen |
| 06:52.08 | shay_shay | tmux and screen is not even a debate |
| 06:52.29 | thomas_d | seems to be more noise about tmux, I should try that, right?? |
| 06:52.38 | shay_shay | screen is obsolete |
| 06:52.52 | thomas_d | ah ok, got it |
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| 06:53.56 | phy1729 | shay_shay: well iirc screen can attach to a serial port and tmux can't or some obscure thing like that |
| 06:54.29 | wingman2 | phy1729: I can vouch for the first part of that |
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| 06:54.55 | thomas_d | I do have use for a serial port |
| 06:55.07 | thomas_d | just got a couple of cisco c3550's the other week actually |
| 06:55.23 | wingman2 | thomas_d: arch has a pretty good guide for setting up irssi |
| 06:55.32 | phy1729 | could ask ##networking if they use screen or something else for that |
| 06:55.33 | shay_shay | phy1729: but screen cant attach to arbitrary sockets |
| 06:56.12 | shay_shay | screen and tmux are for interactive use, not for appliances |
| 06:56.14 | wingman2 | thomas_d: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Irssi |
| 06:56.43 | thomas_d | thanks |
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| 06:56.55 | shay_shay | that being said, i know my router has screen on it already |
| 06:57.11 | shay_shay | but whats the point :p |
| 06:57.23 | phy1729 | know enough to use either in a pinch |
| 06:57.30 | shay_shay | same |
| 06:57.42 | shay_shay | screen -dr |
| 06:57.51 | wingman2 | shay_shay: Not losing your session while changing network configuration? |
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| 06:58.28 | shay_shay | wingman2: thats why I use mosh |
| 06:58.43 | wingman2 | ahh |
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| 06:59.05 | shay_shay | mosh allows roaming and also the processes dont get interupted if your connection fails |
| 06:59.35 | phy1729 | I've always used -raAd because of some irssi tutorial |
| 06:59.43 | shay_shay | tmux is for moving between terminals and doing window splits without having to be logged in twice |
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| 07:14.36 | thomas_d | Ah this is sweet :D |
| 07:14.50 | thomas_d | I was able to put a "wait 20000" in to make it wait after I identify so I can join ##c automatically |
| 07:15.00 | shay_shay | use sasl |
| 07:15.05 | thomas_d | before, it'd always stick me in unregistered heh |
| 07:15.27 | shay_shay | dont do it like that, use sasl then you dont have to wait |
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| 07:17.56 | shay_shay | thomas_d: that was directed at you |
| 07:17.58 | shay_shay | :P |
| 07:18.23 | shay_shay | https://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-irssi.shtml |
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| 07:23.54 | thomas_d | yes just been checking it out, just put the script in my autorun, bout to configure it now, cheers ;p |
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| 07:24.47 | shay_shay | thomas_d: you can just use plaintext password if you use ssl |
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| 07:24.53 | thomas_d | whats the mechanism on this server? |
| 07:24.55 | thomas_d | nickserv? |
| 07:25.14 | shay_shay | mechanism plain |
| 07:25.26 | shay_shay | you should use ssl with that |
| 07:25.40 | thomas_d | ssl just as a switch when running irssi |
| 07:25.47 | thomas_d | or is that something configured in this sasl script also? |
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| 07:26.11 | shay_shay | its configured by enabling it in irssi how you normally do |
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| 07:26.36 | shay_shay | but its recommended to enable before you enable sasl so you arent sending your password over-the-air unencrypted |
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| 07:28.12 | thomas_d | got it, sec then |
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| 08:09.10 | ChrisH | how did you put the Iso onto the stick? |
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| 08:09.47 | cap3lla | hey all. I have a Buffalo Router running DD-WRT and the webinterface on it is process "httpd -S". I am able to login to that WebUI from several windows clients (firefox, ie), from tablet+smartphone but I cannot login from my Debian Jessie machine into it. I tried iceweasel,chromium and even lynx. What's wrong here? am I missing any extension or plugin on my Debian host?? |
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| 08:10.13 | DavidFromBelgium | ChrisH: using Win32DiskImager |
| 08:10.21 | cap3lla | it's all the same LAN at home, same subnet, nothing especially, and there are no iptables running on the router |
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| 08:13.13 | lemonxah | hi guys |
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| 08:13.25 | lemonxah | trying to zypper in plasma5-session |
| 08:13.39 | lemonxah | i keep getting SegFault |
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| 08:15.14 | cap3lla | when I run "openssl s_client -connect myBuffaloRouter:443" I get following result ==> http://paste.debian.net/163303/ but how is it possible that windows clients or any other host in my LAN (e.g. smartphone, tablet) can connect to this WebUI ??! |
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| 08:15.34 | thomas_d | everything is twice |
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| 08:15.44 | thomas_d | da fuq |
| 08:17.33 | ChrisH | DavidFromBelgium: that should work. Might the stick have an issue? I assume the installation/boot starts. If yes open a terminal ALT-F2/F3/F4 and check there for additional error messages |
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| 08:18.40 | DavidFromBelgium | ChrisH: indeed that installation starts. I'll try another one and aloso check error messages, thanks |
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| 08:20.50 | thomas_d | SSL is really screwing my irssi up :( |
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| 08:22.52 | lemonxah | which log files do i check when zypper does a Seqmentation fault? |
| 08:23.10 | lemonxah | cause zypper.log doesn't look usefull |
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| 08:26.38 | ChrisH | lemonxah: what is zypper? |
| 08:26.58 | lemonxah | oh lol soz |
| 08:27.02 | lemonxah | wrong channel |
| 08:27.04 | lemonxah | :P |
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| 08:35.14 | cap3lla | any help appreciated ==> http://paste.debian.net/163306/ |
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| 08:37.02 | cap3lla | i'm sorried, here's the correct pastebin ==> http://paste.debian.net/163307/ any help appreciated |
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| 08:40.37 | Darksonn | test |
| 08:41.10 | cap3lla | Darksonn: pong |
| 08:41.12 | cap3lla | :) |
| 08:41.39 | ChrisH | cap3lla: I would adiitionally test with sslscan 192.168.0.123:443 ;From the given data it looks a bt strange, like the DD-WRT offers only a very limited set of ciphers/ssl-versions/xxx |
| 08:42.40 | Darksonn | test 2 |
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| 08:44.36 | cap3lla | ChrisH: sslscan is cool, didn't know about that package before, thanks for the hint. Well, the result says that most of the test were "Rejected" or "Failed". Following were accepted "SSLv3 128 bits RC4-SHA", "SSLv3 128 bits RC4-MD5", "SSLv3 112 bits DES-CBC3-SHA" and at the end of the scan I got the result that the preferred |
| 08:44.51 | cap3lla | should be "SSLv3 128 bits RC4-SHA". But how can I force my host to use that suggested cipher ? |
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| 08:46.13 | cap3lla | and the most important question would be: how do I force Iceweasel or my Chromium browser to use that suggested cipher "only" when I connect to https://192.168.0.123:443 ? |
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| 08:46.54 | ChrisH | IIRC sslv3 is disabled for Jessie, you should have a mail from apt on that |
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| 08:50.46 | DavidFromBelgium | ChrisH: tried other usb key/sd card, same error. ALT-F4 gives : mount: mounting /dev/sdb1 on /cdrom failed: Invalid arguement |
| 08:50.55 | DavidFromBelgium | same from sdb2 and sdb5 |
| 08:50.59 | DavidFromBelgium | *for |
| 08:51.00 | ChrisH | DavidFromBelgium: check dmesg |
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| 08:51.59 | DavidFromBelgium | ChrisH: FAT-fs (sdb1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
| 08:53.32 | DavidFromBelgium | that's a clue. I'll keep searching, thanks |
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| 09:00.11 | Athas | How can I force an immediate uncontrolled reboot of a machine (through the command line)? |
| 09:00.27 | Athas | Some of the CPUs on the machine are soft-locked, so a normal 'reboot' would stall. |
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| 09:02.10 | ChrisH | astrofog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key might help |
| 09:02.30 | babilen | Athas: ^ |
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| 09:02.47 | themill | using /proc/sysrq-trigger if you're remote |
| 09:02.48 | Athas | I do not have physical access, unfortunately. |
| 09:02.49 | babilen | Athas: I'd just turn it off, terminate the VM, ... |
| 09:02.52 | Athas | Ah, nice, thanks. |
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| 09:03.20 | musca | "man reboot" mentions the --force |
| 09:03.25 | Athas | It is a physical machine, and the physical interface is sending an email to a guy named Tim, which has a bit of a latency. The /proc approach seems good, enough! |
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| 09:04.21 | Athas | I'll try reboot --force first. No idea why I didn't think of consulting the man page... |
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| 09:04.49 | musca | it doesn't call shutdown --- it is ugly |
| 09:05.01 | Athas | I need ugly. |
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| 09:09.44 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 09:09.54 | ychaouche | I want to install the suggested pacakges of gcc |
| 09:10.17 | ychaouche | which is already installed. I tried with --install-suggests but it says gcc is already at its newest version. |
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| 09:14.41 | Athas | Looks like reboot --force wasn't ugly enough. The machine still stalled. |
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| 09:22.27 | duckey | http://pastebin.com/QwpZB9zW |
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| 09:23.02 | duckey | why does bash keep saying fi is not a command? and unexpected end of file? |
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| 09:25.48 | zaffinger | Is there a way to get an ISO from https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/downloads with wget? |
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| 09:26.57 | zaffinger | My problem is I have to login first |
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| 09:27.29 | daemonkeeper | You can send cookies along with wget |
| 09:27.51 | zaffinger | Hmm |
| 09:28.03 | zaffinger | I dont know how it works |
| 09:28.40 | SPF | zaffinger: man wget |
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| 09:35.05 | adm001mi | hey all |
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| 09:36.09 | adm001mi | got a a quick question... for course I'm doing, I get the question on how-to automatically assign permissions to all new files... according to my knowledge this can only be achieved by setting ACL or umask, right? |
| 09:37.00 | ychaouche | I thought of umask too |
| 09:37.23 | ychaouche | I don't know about ACL, i'm no linux expert. |
| 09:37.55 | adm001mi | but the thing is... they also talk about one single command line... so I suppose it's a trick question... |
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| 09:38.05 | adm001mi | thx ychaouche |
| 09:39.16 | ychaouche | not necessarily a trick question, maybe there is indeed a command line that sets a mask or something |
| 09:39.59 | DavidFromBelgium | this is driving me crazy, I can't get it to install from usb/sd |
| 09:40.35 | adm001mi | but setting umask isn't really wise, according to some experts... |
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| 09:40.52 | adm001mi | wot is DavidFromBelgium? |
| 09:41.37 | Objection | Does anyone use Zareason laptops? If so, are they any good? |
| 09:42.06 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: I'm trying to install wheezy from a usb key flashed with netinst |
| 09:42.18 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: and it complains about not being able to detect cdrom |
| 09:42.34 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: why would it need cdrom when it is a netinst ? |
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| 09:42.48 | adm001mi | with what did you flash it? |
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| 09:43.08 | adm001mi | indeed it shouldn't be asking for a cdrom... |
| 09:43.52 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: I've tried different sub keys/sd cards and I tried to flash with Win32DiskImager/LinuxLive USB Creator 2.9.2/unetbootin-windows-608 |
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| 09:45.23 | adm001mi | DavidFromBelgium: have ya tried redownloading the iso-image? |
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| 09:46.19 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: nope, I will |
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| 09:48.39 | tdn | I just got some kernel traces in dmesg with the warning: "rcu_preempt detected stall on CPU" (full trace here: http://paste.yt/p3310.html ) I have googled this and found this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/RCU/stallwarn.txt I have read it all, but I am not sure what to make of it. Is this something that is safe to ignore? Or should I be worried that my hw is failing? Or if someone is exploiting some vulnerability in the kernel? |
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| 09:52.36 | ChrisH | DavidFromBelgium: unetbootin is known to have strange results with debian installer |
| 09:52.51 | ghormoon | hi, any idea what may be broken when du -b says 52784 but du -k 38? (or du -h says 38K), my mind just blown :) |
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| 09:54.30 | DavidFromBelgium | ChrisH: it tried it because the other ones produced the same result. |
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| 09:57.13 | adm001mi | therefor I though it could the iso-file... |
| 09:57.20 | adm001mi | it happend to me to a couple of times... |
| 09:57.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell ghormoon about sparse file |
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| 09:57.59 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: I'm giving it a go |
| 09:58.07 | ghormoon | jelly: just found out du -bh / du -bk will show it ok ... and I won't logfile expect to be sparse :) |
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| 10:00.36 | adm001mi | DavidFromBelgium: aight... |
| 10:01.21 | ghormoon | though ls -lsh really shows different sizes ... but how? |
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| 10:02.24 | ghormoon | wc -c says the bigger number |
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| 10:04.23 | ghormoon | just realised ... there's zfs underneath and likely with compression on ... or at least I can't think of better reason why that broken outputs :) |
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| 10:12.29 | ChrisH | ghormoon: zfs get compressratio ; will prove that assumption |
| 10:13.13 | ghormoon | I'm in a openvz container, so I don't see the pool directly |
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| 10:22.19 | tytan | Is there a GUI tool to configure samba in debian 7 ? |
| 10:22.21 | ChrisH | ghormoon: then it should be transparent and it sounds more like a spares file |
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| 10:22.42 | Disconsented | You mean a text editor tytan? |
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| 10:22.48 | Disconsented | like nano? |
| 10:22.56 | ghormoon | maybe I only miss tools to read it :) |
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| 10:23.04 | tytan | no, more like an application like frontend |
| 10:23.30 | Disconsented | not afaik |
| 10:23.34 | tytan | I want to use an old PC with 2GB of RAM as a NAS |
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| 10:23.47 | adm001mi | tytan: try https://www.samba.org/samba/GUI/ |
| 10:23.56 | DavidFromBelgium | same error with iso redownloaded, same error booting the key/sd card inside a vm |
| 10:24.17 | DavidFromBelgium | I'll probably end up burning a cd |
| 10:24.22 | adm001mi | are you trying to install in vbox or vmware? |
| 10:24.28 | tytan | adm001mi ah, perfect. Thanks for helping |
| 10:24.33 | adm001mi | np tytan |
| 10:24.34 | DavidFromBelgium | vbox |
| 10:24.54 | adm001mi | have you tried loading the iso as cd via the interface? |
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| 10:25.53 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: that works, but I only tried to install on a vm as a troubleshooting step. I want to install it on a physical machine |
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| 10:26.37 | adm001mi | I'm not really sure if the that works with vbox an usb installer, due to the fact the usb-layer is still laggy... |
| 10:27.46 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: anyways, physical or virtual, the same problem happens |
| 10:27.59 | DavidFromBelgium | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=108512 |
| 10:28.51 | adm001mi | so you also have to problem when you install local (non-virtual)? |
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| 10:29.30 | ghormoon | ChrisH: if I cat it to /sev/shm and back, the size is same in memory and lower again on the disk, so it shouldn't be sparse, or could it happen to be sparze if I cat it like this? http://paste.debian.net/163320/ |
| 10:29.33 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: that's the original problem. As I stated, I've tried a virtual machine as a trouble shooting step |
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| 10:30.21 | adm001mi | have you tried installing a live distro to your usb and boot from that? |
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| 10:31.02 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: I'm doing it now |
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| 10:31.33 | DavidFromBelgium | is debian live + install the same as a netinst install in the end ? |
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| 10:32.47 | adm001mi | DavidFromBelgium: no, it's more like a copy-install... |
| 10:33.06 | adm001mi | DavidFromBelgium: wot is yer native tongue? |
| 10:34.34 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: french |
| 10:35.36 | adm001mi | DavidFromBelgium: I don't master french that well... I'm from the Flemish region... |
| 10:36.03 | DavidFromBelgium | adm001mi: same error with a live cd, I can boot the cd but when I choose install : no common cd-rom drive was detected |
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| 10:41.02 | adm001mi | virtually you mean? |
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| 10:41.54 | DavidFromBelgium | no, physical machine |
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| 11:27.00 | HyP3r | hey all, I'm just having problems to change the keyboard layout to german. can someone help me? |
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| 11:27.20 | HyP3r | I did dpkg-reconfigure console-data and dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration it doesn't help :/ |
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| 11:33.54 | HyP3r | ok |
| 11:33.54 | HyP3r | I'll try it |
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| 11:34.47 | HyP3r | ChrisH: loadkeys: command not found |
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| 11:35.35 | ChrisH | HyP3r: kbd: /usr/bin/loadkeys |
| 11:35.48 | HyP3r | this file does not exisits |
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| 11:36.12 | ChrisH | therefore I showed you what package has it |
| 11:36.20 | HyP3r | ok |
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| 11:36.45 | HyP3r | I will search for it with apt-file |
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| 11:37.04 | ChrisH | HyP3r: apt-get install kbd |
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| 11:39.12 | HyP3r | ChrisH: ah well now its working ;) |
| 11:39.19 | HyP3r | But you also don't know a permanent fix? |
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| 11:44.29 | ChrisH | HyP3r: I applied it years ago and forgot it. |
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| 11:44.40 | HyP3r | okay ChrisH |
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| 11:47.18 | topi`_ | I've always used the "debuild" command to do builds |
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| 12:08.22 | halcyforn | hello, maybe someone know a good email program. i need see easy full history of conversation like on gmail. now i use thunderbird and this is horrible if i must find 10 older mails to one man. |
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| 12:10.15 | themill | halcyforn: lots of emails have a "thread sort" option -- kmail, mutt, ... |
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| 12:13.40 | halcyforn | ok we will test kmail, now i must find the same thing on macosx |
| 12:13.55 | polyphagia | ,v iceweasel |
| 12:13.56 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.5.3esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.5.3esr-1; experimental: 36.0.4-1 |
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| 12:22.49 | babilen | halcyforn: fwiw, icedove (what you called thunderbird) also supports threading |
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| 13:27.01 | waqstar | how does one say "chroot" pls end an argument. I say see ech root |
| 13:27.53 | waqstar | say* |
| 13:27.56 | tdn | I just got some kernel traces in dmesg with the warning: "rcu_preempt detected stall on CPU" (full trace here: http://paste.yt/p3310.html ) I have googled this and found this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/RCU/stallwarn.txt I have read it all, but I am not sure what to make of it. Is this something that is safe to ignore? Or should I be worried that my hw is failing? Or if someone is exploiting some vulnerability in the kernel? |
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| 13:30.38 | ychaouche | mm |
| 13:31.10 | ychaouche | Is it safe to install glibc >= 2.15 ? |
| 13:31.43 | ychaouche | I have glibc 2.13 installed and some software needs 2.15 |
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| 13:35.24 | cap3lla | which stress test suite / tool for benchmarking can you guys suggest me? I'd like to test the overall system performance of several Debian hosts. Preferrable with a kind "score" so I can compare them each other. I don't give too much weight on GPU but if the tool supports it, why not. Any clues? |
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| 13:41.03 | mrtnt | What is this *hotplug* event which "allow-hotplug" is used in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 13:43.36 | ychaouche | waqstar: in France they pronounce it like "shroot" |
| 13:44.26 | gerforce | hi, i installed debian wheezy recently and had a problem with flash. After installing package flashplugin-nonfree, iceweasel still prompts me to "install flash". And when i click on the icon, it can not install within iceweasel. So what's the problem? |
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| 13:45.31 | afsal | hi |
| 13:45.43 | afsal | my server shows: networkerror 500 internal server error |
| 13:45.45 | afsal | apache2 |
| 13:45.53 | afsal | how to solve this please help me |
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| 13:49.54 | cloudstrike_ | i have a question about debian with nextxen_nic (10GE double port nic), the irq count will not balance on every core just on one is on 100% i tried to change the affinity but that didn't work |
| 13:50.02 | cloudstrike_ | can you help me out? |
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| 13:55.55 | jelly | ychaouche: while it's technically safe to upgrade all components of glibc (libc6, libc-bin, locales, ...), if you do that manually you're going to miss any security updates, and if you mix current release with any newer sources.list entries (testing/jessie or unstable), that's definitely unsafe. |
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| 13:57.13 | jelly | ychaouche: if your software vendor made binaries that work with glibc 2.15, it is VERY likely they did not intend to run them on Debian 7. They're most likely built for Ubuntu. |
| 13:57.18 | YamakasY | !moo |
| 13:57.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:57.21 | YamakasY | :D |
| 13:57.25 | YamakasY | needed to that |
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| 13:57.58 | jelly | YamakasY: again, and for the last time, do it in /msg dpkg moo or ELSE :-D |
| 13:58.36 | YamakasY | jelly: you turn me into a pig ? |
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| 13:58.53 | abrotman | Seems like a dare .. |
| 13:59.02 | jelly | yes. we all need to chip in and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. |
| 13:59.03 | YamakasY | abrotman: can always try :D |
| 13:59.11 | YamakasY | jelly: LOL |
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| 13:59.17 | YamakasY | jelly: I want to be EURO7 |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 13:59.21 | YamakasY | if possible |
| 13:59.53 | caturday | hi guys |
| 13:59.58 | YamakasY | hellow |
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| 14:00.03 | ychaouche | jelly: I want to install ldns, I don't know if there are binaries for it. |
| 14:00.17 | caturday | anyone know things about debconf and can help me figure out why changes don't seem to persist across forks? |
| 14:00.26 | abrotman | forks? |
| 14:00.36 | caturday | http://pastebin.com/Nmxi5W3Z |
| 14:00.37 | caturday | check that out |
| 14:00.45 | jelly | ychaouche: if you have source, it's very unlikely the source explicitely needs gnu libc >= 2.15 |
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| 14:01.04 | caturday | the first call to test_dbget prints the correct value for oracle-java8-installer in both RET and debconf-get-selections |
| 14:01.10 | ychaouche | jelly: make fails to compile drill, let me send you a paste |
| 14:01.17 | caturday | in the second call, RET is empty |
| 14:01.37 | ychaouche | jelly: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/a99aede6e7207ee3639f/raw/1c44c233d4b69fd5da5e32f95c5a6ece9aad1e41/gistfile1.txt |
| 14:02.23 | jelly | ychaouche: that ../lib/libldns.so wasn't built on Debian 7. |
| 14:02.32 | ychaouche | ohhhh |
| 14:03.15 | jelly | did you forget to make clean and ./configure anew? |
| 14:03.17 | ychaouche | you must be right I first compiled on Mint then copied the whole source tree (uncleaned) to a debian and make clean; configure; make. |
| 14:03.35 | ychaouche | the make clean didn't remove the .so it seems |
| 14:03.36 | jelly | that probably should have worked |
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| 14:04.41 | caturday | this is a problem because the deb for java 8 expects that db_get to return the path to the local copies of the jdk .tar.gz files, but no matter how or when i set the value with debconf, it's always empty in the postinst script |
| 14:04.45 | ychaouche | The make file has errors most likely : You're right the |
| 14:04.57 | ychaouche | jelly: make clean exits with an error https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/ff89c7ce553a5ddc6713/raw/8940d1949819d04a5944a640992665a9b6feba76/gistfile1.txt |
| 14:05.04 | ychaouche | I didn't pay very much attention to it |
| 14:05.11 | ychaouche | it didn't remove the lib/ directory |
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| 14:05.40 | jelly | if the makefiles are that buggy it's probably best to unpack a clean copy |
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| 14:06.06 | jelly | judd: v ldns |
| 14:06.07 | judd | No package named 'ldns' was found in i386. |
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| 14:06.47 | cap3lla | anyone ? |
| 14:06.56 | ychaouche | shouldn't that be rm -rf instead of just -f ? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/b4961824bead04f24d9f/raw/879f63790615305244c031aa9066c4fc06197197/gistfile1.txt |
| 14:07.04 | cloudstrike_ | so nobody is able to help me out here? xD |
| 14:07.28 | jelly | ychaouche: probably not |
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| 14:10.18 | ychaouche | ok I'll restart with fresh tar.gz |
| 14:10.26 | ychaouche | thanks for precious help jelly |
| 14:10.29 | ychaouche | saved me a lot of time |
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| 14:13.20 | jelly | cloudstrike_: I assume irqbalance is installed and running, does running a different kernel (eg. from wheezy-backports) make any difference? |
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| 14:14.55 | cloudstrike_ | i cannot set the irq manually, i have intel nics where i can set the irq manually everything is fine but on the HP nic that does't work |
| 14:15.32 | cloudstrike_ | next_xen driver |
| 14:15.36 | cloudstrike_ | for the nic |
| 14:15.48 | cloudstrike_ | *netxen_nic |
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| 14:18.13 | ychaouche | Worked like a charm |
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| 14:23.08 | DarsVaeda | does jessy support mp4 out of the box? |
| 14:23.46 | bazhang | ,v x264 |
| 14:24.02 | judd | Package: x264 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2:0.120.2151+gita3f4407-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; jessie: 2:0.142.2431+gita5831aa-1+b2; sid: 2:0.142.2431+gita5831aa-1+b2; experimental: 2:0.142.2495+git6a301b6-1; squeeze-multimedia: 3:0.118.2085+git8a62835-0.1+1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:0.132.2310+git76a5c3a-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 3:0.146.2538+git121396c-dmo1; sid-multimedia: |
| 14:24.02 | judd | 3:0.146.2538+git121396c-dmo1 |
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| 14:41.57 | jelly | mjkr: pretty much |
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| 15:08.02 | naptastic | I've got a new install of Debian Jessie with MATE, and MATE's calculator is absent. Is there another package I need to install or something? |
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| 15:09.04 | chroneos | isn't it galculator? |
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| 15:09.13 | chroneos | not 100% on that, though. |
| 15:09.32 | topi`_ | any dpkg-buildpackage power users here? |
| 15:09.38 | topi`_ | what am I doing wrong? https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=dpkg-buildpackage:+warning:+invalid+flag+in+DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 15:09.45 | topi`_ | woops, wrong clipboard content |
| 15:09.50 | topi`_ | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: invalid flag in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
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| 15:12.00 | chroneos | doesn't give a list of flags? |
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| 15:12.44 | jelly | topi`_: you know what's the first question we're going to ask |
| 15:13.02 | naptastic | chroneos, that's a different calculator, but it works just fine! Thanks! :D |
| 15:13.19 | chroneos | naptastic, cool, wasm |
| 15:13.27 | chroneos | naptastic, cool, wasn't sure, glad it works. |
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| 15:13.51 | topi`_ | jelly: I don't know what to paste... I just setup the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS env variable, and used debian-builder to start the build |
| 15:14.19 | jelly | topi`_: what did you set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS to? |
| 15:14.48 | topi`_ | export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--with-polkit=none" |
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| 15:15.31 | mjkr | will booting hang if a random one of the services fail to start? |
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| 15:20.48 | jelly | topi`_: that looks like a ./configure option. https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules-options |
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| 15:22.45 | topi`_ | yeah, that's a configure option, not a gcc one |
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| 15:22.58 | chroneos | iirc DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS pertains primarily to dpkg-buildpackage behavior and not necessarily anything specific to the package. |
| 15:22.59 | topi`_ | I just looked up on google, and someone was using a similar construct |
| 15:23.19 | topi`_ | I just need a simple way to remove polkit support from modemmanager |
| 15:23.29 | topi`_ | since we absolutely do not want to use polkit |
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| 15:29.46 | melt7777 | Hey folks I am running squeeze, but i would like to add c11 support, i found the following article: http://wiki.w7cf.net/gcc4.7_on_debsqueeze is this the easiest way to get c11 support without messing up my repos and other existing compilers? |
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| 15:39.02 | Brigo | melt7777, you can try a simple sid backport |
| 15:39.10 | Brigo | !tell melt7777 about ssd |
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| 15:40.41 | AxonetBE | when I ssh to my server I have a message displayed, how to remove this? I edited already /etc/motd put it appears on top of it |
| 15:41.17 | deuterium | hi.. debian's netinst cd neither contains hdparm nor apt-get? what to use to securely erase ssds then? the ubuntu cd? |
| 15:41.45 | jelly | melt7777: that's going to be a pain one way or the other, I'm afraid. You can't get hold of a wheezy installation? |
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| 15:42.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell AxonetBE about motd |
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| 15:43.04 | jelly | deuterium: yes, use debian or some other live image. Personally I like grml.org. |
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| 15:43.54 | melt7777 | !tell melt7777 about sid |
| 15:44.12 | melt7777 | !tell melt7777 about backports |
| 15:44.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell melt7777 about selftell |
| 15:44.36 | melt7777 | ah cool thx |
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| 15:44.48 | deuterium | jelly: ok, thx |
| 15:44.56 | melt7777 | jelly we are using squeeze for a reason (compatibility stuff) |
| 15:44.57 | jelly | Brigo: you meant "ssb" not "ssd" |
| 15:45.14 | melt7777 | ah yes i got ssb thanks |
| 15:45.16 | Brigo | jelly, err yes :) |
| 15:45.21 | snebel | Hi, i'm trying to advance date and time on a debian machine to make some test but i find that is automatically set back.. |
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| 15:45.30 | snebel | looking at the services i dont find ntp service |
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| 15:45.32 | Brigo | ups what a mess |
| 15:45.43 | melt7777 | ok this looks like a possibility, thanks guys |
| 15:45.46 | snebel | what could be changing back the date time into my debian system? |
| 15:46.12 | Brigo | melt7777, sorry :) |
| 15:47.11 | snebel | looking at the services i dont find ntp service |
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| 15:53.39 | petn-randall | snebel: Is it a VM? If yes, most virtualization solutions automatically set the time through the host machine. |
| 15:54.31 | snebel | yes |
| 15:54.38 | snebel | it is |
| 15:54.58 | snebel | make sense |
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| 15:55.16 | snebel | i gonna take a look to the hypervisor sw to see if this is possible to make something |
| 15:55.20 | snebel | thank you |
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| 15:56.47 | z302 | assuming its not a production machine, I don't have third party repos activated and I have my data backed up, can I just change from 'wheezy' to 'jessie' in /etc/apt/sources.list, run a dist-upgrade and have a working system or do I need to follow a guide? |
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| 15:57.42 | jelly | z302: you need to follow a guide. |
| 15:58.00 | topi`_ | automake-1.14: error: cannot open < gtk-doc.make: No such file or directory |
| 15:58.05 | jelly | !tell z302 about wheezy->jessie |
| 15:58.25 | topi`_ | anyone seen this? I googled for it, and all I found is that for some reason, gtk-doc.make gets deleted at the time of dh_clean |
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| 15:59.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | debian jessie's libtool package doesn't include a libtool binary? |
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| 15:59.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | libtool-bin, got it. |
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| 16:13.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | so i'm running debian jessie, i've installed libzmq3-dev, it created a /usr/include/zmq.h... |
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| 16:14.15 | RoyK | !next |
| 16:14.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:14.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | and now i'm running a configure script for jzmq (package accepted into unstable, but i'm building from source obviously) and it's complaining that it can't find zmq.h |
| 16:14.30 | RoyK | NoImNotNineVolt: please try #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 16:14.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | RoyK: any reason in particular? |
| 16:15.00 | RoyK | well, this channel is mainly for stable |
| 16:15.06 | RoyK | !jessie |
| 16:15.06 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>. |
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| 16:17.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | i always get redirected to progressively emptier channels :P |
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| 16:38.58 | phaer | For user experience reasons, I'd like to show a graphical screen on boot using plymouth |
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| 16:39.57 | phaer | It *almost* works as desired: grub shows a splash-screen, i see the first kernel messages for a sec, then plymouth and then the kernel messages again before gnome starts. |
| 16:40.46 | phaer | Now i'd like to get rid of the message display. To me, as a newbie in that area, it looks like it would show boot messages while mode-switching |
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| 16:41.57 | phaer | I set the resolution in grub, and on my desktop the same, but without success. Any suggestions? How could i debug this? I am using Debian jessie and the radeon driver |
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| 16:46.13 | pipl | phaer: you should try debian-next on irc.oftc.net . That is the channel for debian jessie. Here is for stable Wheezy branch. |
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| 16:58.58 | scott69 | Hi, i have installed debian wheezy, i have a problem with my network dns, where i had to install the debian wheezy without mirrors, therefore the debian os has been installed with minimum software (just kernel) and even there is no gnome installed .. how may i download the rest of the installation software on it after kernel installation, and transform it to a user-friendly debian os |
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| 16:59.29 | noobee | hello |
| 16:59.39 | noobee | i want to install defoma |
| 16:59.43 | noobee | but im getting Package defoma is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 16:59.48 | noobee | how can I solve this problem? |
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| 17:00.14 | bazhang | ,v defoma |
| 17:00.15 | judd | Package: defoma on i386 -- squeeze: 0.11.11 |
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| 17:00.36 | phaer | pipl, thanks |
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| 17:03.07 | pipl | scott69: There is a debian installation manual. You should take a look on it. |
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| 17:04.17 | scott69 | pipl, thanks ill do it |
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| 17:08.06 | phaer | scott69, You can use "tasksel" to install tasks like a desktop or laptop-tools in your running system |
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| 17:10.33 | scott69 | phaer, thanks, but i was looking to install the default packages, where in installation setup mirrors handle it |
| 17:11.19 | Shadow__7 | there's also dselect and aptitude or synaptic to add additional packages. |
| 17:11.49 | Shadow__7 | and apt-get if you know the distro specific naming conventions. |
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| 17:15.38 | phaer | scott69, As far as i know you should get exactly the same packages as you would have gotten from the installer if you add a mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list; then run apt-get update and tasksel |
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| 17:45.23 | mc0e | Am I right in thinking that the --rsyncable flag to gzip is broken in wheezy? I don't seem to be able to locate a bug report, which seems odd. |
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| 17:47.24 | Intensity | Hi. I'm wondering if there is any known issue with Debian mirrors of wheezy-updates (such as out-of-date Release(.gpg) file). |
| 17:48.15 | Brigo | Intensity, sometimes you can find some issues because sync problem during updates or so. |
| 17:48.22 | Intensity | If not, if I've locally mirrored a Debian mirror and all files that are accessed to do an apt-get update, any idea why update would give: W: GPG error: http://localhost wheezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>? |
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| 17:50.31 | Intensity | Brigo: Hmm. Thanks for the suggestion. I had archived the files just now using wget. wget didn't report any issues when I got it from the upstream mirror. I'm wondering if somehow the validation of the signature takes into account the full URL. If so, or if the Release.gpg files differed per-mirror, then maybe my approach of providing a custom internal URL to apt/sources.list wouldn't work because of the hostname/URL disagreement. |
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| 17:51.26 | Brigo | Intensity, really not sure about it. If nobody answer you here, try #debian-ftp or #debian-devel |
| 17:51.36 | Brigo | Intensity, in OFTC network. |
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| 17:53.07 | petn-randall | Intensity: wget is not a good way to mirror, since there's no guarantee of consistency. |
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| 17:53.25 | petn-randall | Intensity: If you need a cache, use something like apt-cacher-ng or apt-proxy. |
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| 17:56.07 | Intensity | petn-randall: Hmm. I'm curious what you mean by guarantee of consistency. I'll look into those. This is currently just an initial test - one-time mirror of a very small subset. So wget is just an example. But I'm confused about whether another tool could offer more integrity checking than wget because at the other end there's just a web server (the Debian mirror). |
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| 17:56.54 | Intensity | I can confirm the following, though. In the "debian.osuosl.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates" directory, gpg --verify Release.gpg Release gives: gpg: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key...". |
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| 18:10.17 | jaggz | the risk of heart attack surges by 10 percent on the Monday and Tuesday after moving the clocks ahead an hour each spring. |
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| 18:11.48 | trysten_ | what is the difference between php5-cgi and libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 18:14.12 | petn-randall | trysten_: mod-php5 is an apache module that starts a php interpreter, and php5-cgi does CGI. It's two different approaches of executing PHP code. |
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| 18:14.49 | petn-randall | trysten_: This results in different page speeds, and memory/cpu consumption of the web server. |
| 18:14.57 | jaggz | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131101-when-does-daylight-savings-time-end-november-3-science/ |
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| 18:16.47 | toad_ | I'm trying to build uTox from source... dbus/dbus.h includes dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h which doesn't exist ... is this a packaging problem? |
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| 18:18.42 | petn-randall | toad_: From Debian source or from upstream? |
| 18:19.00 | toad_ | uTox from upstream. dbus dev is installed via debian. |
| 18:19.16 | chroneos | jaggz: echo 'Etc/UTC'|sudo tee /etc/timezone >/dev/null;sudo dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata ;) |
| 18:19.44 | toad_ | dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h DOES exist, in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include/ , but is referred to by /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h |
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| 18:19.54 | toad_ | so perhaps there is some hideous 64/32 confusion going on? |
| 18:20.08 | jaggz | Etc/UTC? is this converting to a set single time for all systems, chroneos? |
| 18:20.15 | jaggz | appropriate nick too, I think |
| 18:21.29 | chroneos | jaggz, hah, best part is it's my actual surname. ;) |
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| 18:22.39 | chroneos | but yeah, that'd basically change the "local" system timezone to UTC non-interactively. |
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| 18:24.08 | jaggz | maybe from a long line of time keepers |
| 18:24.24 | toad_ | first I have to add -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/ ... then dbus/dbus.h refers to dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h ... which doesn't exist in /usr/include/dbus-1.0 ... it DOES exist in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include/ but when i add that it gets really confused... |
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| 18:26.37 | jaggz | chroneos: (that is, your family history) |
| 18:26.52 | chroneos | jaggz, as I understand it, that's fairly accurate. |
| 18:27.07 | chroneos | (no pun intended) |
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| 18:27.21 | jaggz | I didn't remember about Cronus "eating his children" |
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| 18:27.55 | jaggz | difficult to come from a long line of those |
| 18:28.14 | jaggz | The cannibal showed up late to dinner. |
| 18:28.22 | jaggz | "Am I late," he asked? |
| 18:28.23 | chroneos | These days the most notable aspect of my family name is that it gets searched quite a bit by people typoing "ChromeOS" |
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| 18:28.28 | jaggz | "Yes, everbody's eaten." |
| 18:28.35 | jaggz | rofl |
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| 18:29.05 | jaggz | I'm not laughing at myself... but at the chromeos chroneos relation |
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| 18:30.02 | chroneos | Oh, I remember witnessing the direct correlation between Google's announcement of Chrome OS and a sudden uptick in access_log activity. |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:32.45 | trysten_ | petn-randall: i figured the module would be the way to go. so the module should be reading configs from /etc/php5 right? |
| 18:33.07 | chroneos | but to bring it full circle (and back on-topic), it may or may not be related to why I get prompted quite a bit on tzdata and ntpd stuff. :P |
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| 18:33.52 | petn-randall | trysten_: Settings, yes. But you'll find 3 different subdirectories there (cli, fpm, fgi), each for the respective way to start php. |
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| 18:36.09 | jaggz | whistles in pretend innocence around the topic |
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| 18:37.23 | trysten_ | petn-randall: petn-randall: i have cgi, cli, and apache2. probably because i don't have fastcgi? |
| 18:37.30 | knittl | hi. how to find out, why aptitude tries to remove a package? |
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| 18:38.06 | petn-randall | trysten_: cgi will be for fastcgi, cli for running it on the command line, and apache2 for libapache2-mod-php5. |
| 18:38.23 | chroneos | gah, I have been spending too much time Amazon Linux lately, I feel like it's clouding up my deb-fu. |
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| 18:49.03 | kWO901 | when i plug the iphone this error message pops up http://picpaste.com/thumbs/screenshot_2015-03-26_19_42_17-nxM3egQQ.1427395504.png |
| 18:49.30 | kWO901 | i click "ok" and this stuff opens http://picpaste.com/thumbs/screenshot_2015-03-26_19_42_38-PVL0CiAB.1427395545.png |
| 18:50.00 | kWO901 | how can i stop these windows from poping up every time i plug in the phone? |
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| 18:52.18 | Aaron_` | Real noob question. i am using antix, its a GUI based distro based on some flavour of linux. after some fighting, I managed to get the dependencies, and chrome installed from the deb package I downloaded. Now where is it/how do I run it?\ |
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| 18:53.08 | trysten_ | Aaron_`: that question is off-topic to #debian. have you tried typing chrome into the command line.. |
| 18:53.10 | htqp | !antix |
| 18:53.10 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 18:53.42 | kWO901 | Aaron_`: get debian bro! :) |
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| 18:54.24 | Aaron_` | I am running on a netbook with 1 gb ram, 8 gb pata66 ssd and an old crapy processor. I need something really REALLY slim.. |
| 18:54.51 | Aaron_` | trysten_: Thank you, I will head to the other channel.. Not sure how different the answer will be there, but I will go there. |
| 18:55.20 | Aaron_` | trysten_: Unfortunatly the channel is empty. |
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| 18:55.48 | kWO901 | Aaron_`: type in a termina: google-chrome |
| 18:55.53 | trysten_ | Aaron_`: still, /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 18:56.21 | chroneos | Second time in 24 hours of me mentioning it, but... |
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| 18:56.47 | chroneos | Aaron_`, have you looked at debirf, maybe modifying the 'minimal' configuration to your needs? |
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| 18:57.06 | chroneos | SUPER lightweight. |
| 18:57.34 | chroneos | and not a painful process to iterate. |
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| 18:57.56 | kWO901 | anyone here using iphone? |
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| 18:58.55 | koowgnojeel | do you hibernate your pc ? |
| 18:58.58 | Aaron_` | chroneos: I am not advanced enough to do any of that, I don't think anyway. |
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| 19:00.54 | valdyn | micro optimisation is when you want to run a pig like any modern webbrowser with a "slim" desktop, thats silly |
| 19:01.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | i use iphone as a paperweight, if that counts. |
| 19:01.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | kWO901: but that's a question for #debian-offtopic |
| 19:01.44 | trysten_ | NoImNotNineVolt: does it work? |
| 19:02.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | could be heavier. |
| 19:02.29 | Aaron_` | chroneos: Besides, I would NEVER refuse to help someone running windows XP if I was in a windows 7 channel. NEVER. Thats just plain ignorant and snobish. If I would choose a pure distro, it would be one with a supportive community, not a snobish one. |
| 19:03.02 | htqp | Aaron_`: the point is that we do not know what is the PATH on antix, what is the config under /etc, etc. |
| 19:03.07 | chroneos | Aaron_`, I find it to be really intuitive, maybe not the user-friendliest experience, but I like it because it can be as simple or as elaborate as you want. |
| 19:03.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | Aaron_`: you'd be messing up the signal:noise ratio, and denying the people of the windows XP channel a learning opportunity. |
| 19:03.13 | mtn | Aaron_`: hush and please go to the correct channel |
| 19:03.30 | Brigo | Aaron_`, you are right but as far as we do not know that distribution we cannot help you with it. |
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| 19:04.27 | abrotman | Please move along .. no need to continue to discuss this here |
| 19:04.33 | Aaron_` | Perhaps I simply do not understand the comparison properly. But if it is more complicated then comparing windows xp to windows 7, for example, I would at least explain it. |
| 19:04.37 | valdyn | maybe its just as arrogant or "snobish" to force offtopic |
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| 19:04.49 | chroneos | :-/ |
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| 19:12.51 | abrotman | kWO901: Which windows? Which version of linux? Which DE? |
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| 19:41.16 | Na | I'm currently installing debian (testing using the R1 netinst image). I've already got an encrypted partition (with lvm inside) set up. Is there a way to get the installer to recognize it? |
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| 19:42.01 | Na | The "Configure Encrypted Volumes" menu is worded as though it's going to blow everything away, and that's not an experiment I'd like to perform |
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| 19:44.46 | raccoon_ | Na: if you already got an encrypted partition set up don't configure it. if you want to reconfigure it, you'd have to "blow it away". |
| 19:45.18 | abrotman | Na: which partition is it? |
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| 19:47.18 | Na | I want to install debain TO this encrypted partition, so presumably I need to tell the installer about it so I can select it for mountpoints |
| 19:48.28 | Na | abrotman: It's sda8, but I'm not sure how that helps |
| 19:48.41 | htqp | not using the installer since a while, but IIRC one can 'start a shell' then mount a partition over a known directory (/target ??) then resume installation |
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| 19:49.53 | abrotman | Na: /home? /var/ ? |
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| 19:50.47 | abrotman | Na: so you don't care if it reformats the filesystem? |
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| 19:52.01 | Na | abrotman: End goal is everything on one partition, which will be a lv on the lvm pv/vg inside the encrypted partition. |
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| 19:52.16 | Na | I don't want it to reformat everything. |
| 19:52.24 | Na | s/everything/anything |
| 19:52.44 | Na | (I've already got a boot partition elsewhere on the drive though) |
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| 19:55.21 | karlpinc | Na: good goal |
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| 19:58.35 | valdyn | Na: is it really sda8 or is it an lv? |
| 19:58.44 | raccoon_ | Na: so just choose it and place a partition on it. "configure encrypted volumes" means you want to re-configure it. if it's already there just select it and pick a filesystem + mount point. |
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| 20:06.22 | Na | Think I got it figured out. Cryptsetup wasn't installed, (because netinst) but once I do install it, I can configure the encrypted partition and it sees LVM |
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| 20:33.27 | xterslip | Hi, I would like to disable the network stack and only use raw sockets instead. So I don't want any traffic on the wire besides what I put on it in c. How can I do this? |
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| 20:37.22 | valdyn | xterslip: what do you expect to run on such crippled system? |
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| 20:39.25 | xterslip | A selfmade protocol. one side is the pc, the other side is an fpga that only knows up to level two |
| 20:39.45 | valdyn | xterslip: im not sure it makes sense to use debian for that |
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| 20:40.56 | xterslip | I don't know for sure either. but I want to use a system that is posix compient. since I think working with raw sockets on linux is easier for me on linux than it is on freebsd, i choose debian |
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| 20:41.39 | valdyn | http://serverfault.com/questions/256811/how-to-completely-disable-ipv4-stack-from-linux |
| 20:42.00 | mi11k1 | hey, .desktop files, for the icon, do you need a full path .png? |
| 20:42.14 | valdyn | xterslip: im not sure why you have to disable ipv4 for that, but feel free to roll your own kernel |
| 20:42.22 | acz32 | does anyone who uses i3 know of a good update notifier? i used to use update-notifier with openbox but it doesn't integrate into i3status bar |
| 20:42.37 | somiaj | mi11k1: I would just to be safe. Some desktops may have an ImagePath of some sort (or there may be a standard) but a full path will certnally work. |
| 20:42.46 | mi11k1 | acz32, what about conky? |
| 20:42.57 | xterslip | Thanks, I don't think that link is what I want. Since I will probably not be able to communicate at all with the network card |
| 20:43.31 | mi11k1 | somiaj, cause im having trouble with a few apps. I install Sublime Text, and cant get an icon |
| 20:43.40 | valdyn | xterslip: uh, why would that prevent you talking to the network card... |
| 20:43.52 | somiaj | mi11k1: instaling this from the debian repo, or from some third party source? |
| 20:43.59 | xterslip | valdyn, I don't want any traffic on the wire, so I don't think I have a different way to go? |
| 20:44.15 | mi11k1 | somiaj, 3rd party, ive never done it before |
| 20:44.21 | valdyn | xterslip: traffic on the wire is something *programs* do or dont do |
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| 20:44.40 | valdyn | xterslip: you dont even need to disable ipv4 to disable that |
| 20:44.43 | mi11k1 | somiaj, sublime text2, eagle, apmplanner |
| 20:44.47 | somiaj | mi11k1: Yea third party may not put things in 'standard places' (for good reasons) and you may just need to modify the .desktop file to have the full path. |
| 20:45.02 | xterslip | valdyn, what do you suggest then? |
| 20:45.07 | somiaj | mi11k1: third party stuff really isn't supported here, but I would change the .desktop files like you suggest and see if it works. |
| 20:45.21 | mi11k1 | somiaj, in the case of say sublime text, it didnt need to be compiled |
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| 20:45.34 | valdyn | xterslip: just dont setup any interface you dont want to be used |
| 20:46.05 | mi11k1 | somiaj, i just copied the folder to /usr/share |
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| 20:46.47 | xterslip | I thought this would work too, thanks for that. but when I attach spectrum analyzer to the other end of the cable, I see some communication going on (probably auto negotiation and other low level stuff) |
| 20:46.55 | somiaj | mi11k1: you should not put thrid part stuff in /usr/, use /usr/local, /opt or $HOME |
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| 20:47.09 | somiaj | mi11k1: reason is you should save stuff in /usr to be managed by dpkg though debian packages. |
| 20:47.09 | acz32 | mi11k1: conky can be an update notifier? |
| 20:47.15 | valdyn | xterslip: you cannot prevent the *ethernet* protocol without powering off the card |
| 20:47.34 | mi11k1 | acz32, conky can almost do anything, do a google search |
| 20:47.35 | valdyn | xterslip: to achieve that you would need your own custom network card or a programmable card |
| 20:47.43 | somiaj | acz32: I don't think conky has a package notifier. Does i3 have a systemtray? I don't use update notifiers but I am wondering if you just need to configure it to show up in the systemtray |
| 20:48.23 | acz32 | mi11k1: i don't think so. and i wouldn't want to run conky as root even if it could do that |
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| 20:48.33 | xterslip | valdyn, that's what i was afraid of. so i would have to implement my own ethernet stack then (or use one available in vhdl) and then run my protocol on top of that. i don't like that, such an overhead. still thanks though. |
| 20:48.49 | mi11k1 | acz32, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=37284 |
| 20:48.51 | acz32 | somiaj: it has something kind of like a system tray, but update-notifier doesn't seem to integrate well in it |
| 20:49.24 | valdyn | xterslip: yea, exactly, and that stack would probably need your custom processor on the wire |
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| 20:49.48 | mi11k1 | acz32, no, you wouldnt run conky as root |
| 20:49.58 | somiaj | acz32: I was going to suggest stalonetray, I use it in fvwm. But I don't know if update-notifier works with it. |
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| 20:50.25 | acz32 | somiaj: i can check it out, thanks |
| 20:50.37 | acz32 | mi11k1: thanks i will look into that python script with conky |
| 20:50.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | fvwm always makes me think of flvw |
| 20:50.47 | xterslip | but i do have my custom processor, but only on the fpga side. i thought initially that i could use my network card as a dumb raw device (so even a level lower than raw sockets) |
| 20:50.58 | acz32 | mi11k1: it's written for pacman though |
| 20:51.09 | mi11k1 | acz32, this looks better, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-400648.html |
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| 20:51.46 | mi11k1 | acz32, a google search will yield what you want, theres probably 100 ways to do it |
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| 20:51.52 | xterslip | valdyn, thanks for the help though |
| 20:51.58 | valdyn | xterslip: software modems do the equivalent over the phone line already. I don't know if the equivalent can be bought for ethernet, because no one except ethernet card develoment companies needs this. |
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| 20:53.21 | acz32 | mi11k1: thanks. i guess i can give that script no password sudo access, although it's not ideal solution |
| 20:53.28 | acz32 | will look into it some more |
| 20:53.47 | xterslip | valdyn, yeah, well my first implementation was a afsk signel sent over a simple wire, but I would like to make use of existing cables and technologies (well, i adapt it to my needs). think my first approach was better then though |
| 20:53.48 | mi11k1 | acz32, no i know, but sift through google |
| 20:54.32 | mi11k1 | acz32, conky can display almost anything |
| 20:54.35 | acz32 | the thing with i3 is that you basically never will see conky since something is always up on every workspace, and if not the workspace will close automatically |
| 20:54.58 | somiaj | acz32: I think using 'conky' is overkill if all you want is update-notifier. |
| 20:55.06 | mi11k1 | somiaj, yah |
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| 20:55.26 | mi11k1 | if youre using Jessie just assume theres updates everyday |
| 20:55.39 | mi11k1 | acz32, i thought you said openbox |
| 20:55.41 | somiaj | well jessie is frozen, so they are slowing down. |
| 20:55.47 | mi11k1 | frozen? |
| 20:56.12 | acz32 | mi11k1: i said i used to use openbox with update-notifier. i use i3 now and it doesn't integrate with the tray in this wm |
| 20:56.32 | trysten | etc/php/apache2/php.ini is a symlink to php.ini-development. i have uncommented "error_log = php_errors.log". how can i test to see if this is working? i'm having some kind of glitch installing fuel-cms but i otherwise don't know how i would generate an error_log |
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| 20:57.15 | mi11k1 | acz32, im just looking up i3 now, im not familiar with it |
| 20:57.26 | mi11k1 | i use MATE |
| 20:57.28 | acz32 | i do use jessie. i will probably stick with it when it goes stable. |
| 20:57.46 | acz32 | mi11k1: it's pretty nice. i like openbox a lot, but don't like XML config files |
| 20:58.07 | mi11k1 | acz32, i think its amazing, i typically use older machines, and it runs awesome |
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| 20:59.04 | acz32 | mi11k1: what, openbox? |
| 20:59.12 | mi11k1 | acz32, i have a centrino with 1 gig of ram, and Jessie works great |
| 20:59.16 | mi11k1 | no Jessie, |
| 20:59.30 | mi11k1 | I used to use crunchbang when I started out though |
| 20:59.48 | acz32 | oh. ya I was using wheezy since it was released up until a week ago. i installed jessie from the release candidate ISO |
| 21:00.26 | mi11k1 | yah, my one machine has an uptime of 31 days right now |
| 21:00.45 | acz32 | i used crunchbang too for a while but always used to comment out the cb repo after i installed. debian can be a little ugly by default so it was nice to have things set up for me. but it's not that hard to do it yourself so i installed pure debian |
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| 21:01.27 | mi11k1 | acz32, yah when I was complete noob it made sense, then I discovered virtualbox |
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| 21:02.25 | acz32 | you still use it in a VM? |
| 21:02.38 | mi11k1 | no, i mean i just use VM for experiment |
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| 21:02.56 | acz32 | oh, that's a good idea. i have a VM for testing things before i do them for real too |
| 21:02.57 | mi11k1 | so, I dont goof up my system, like when I was new |
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| 21:03.14 | mi11k1 | I used to have to reinstall crunch everyday almost |
| 21:03.51 | acz32 | what the heck were you doing that you had to reinstall every day? lol |
| 21:04.05 | mi11k1 | when I was learning, i was pretty wreckless |
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| 21:04.52 | mi11k1 | acz32, I have openbox installed on my desktop, hoping I could run Flightgear |
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| 21:07.19 | GNU\colossus | I'd like to have a minimal email setup on Debian that works a bit like a mailing list, with a centrally managed list of "subscribers". all mails should be relayed to all subscribers. RCPT email addresses should be "hidden", and reply-to: potentially rewritten to the "list" address, so that reply-all clusterfucks can't happen. I only need one list. what's my easiest option from the archives? |
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| 21:09.09 | mi11k1 | acz32, i just installed i3, going to logout and trt it out |
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| 21:11.36 | Contrl | I'm wanting to ban entire countries from my SSH server. China, South Korea, and Indonesia for example. How would I do this easily, and without slowing down iptables? |
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| 21:15.32 | jhutchins | Contrl: Do it on the upstream firewall/ |
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| 21:15.47 | jhutchins | Contrl: Are you running on port 22? |
| 21:15.48 | Contrl | jhutchins: 'upstream firewall'? |
| 21:16.13 | jhutchins | Contrl: Yes, a firewall should be a seperate device that is between your system(s) and the internet. |
| 21:16.26 | Contrl | Yeah, that's kind of complicated to do when it's a VPS. |
| 21:16.46 | jhutchins | Contrl: Ok, ISPs can be unresponsive about that. |
| 21:16.48 | jhutchins | Contrl: Are you running on port 22? |
| 21:16.57 | Contrl | Yes, I'm running on port 22. |
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| 21:17.16 | jhutchins | Contrl: There's your problem. Choose an arbitrary port and run on that instead. |
| 21:17.30 | Contrl | Isn't that security through obscurity? |
| 21:17.32 | mi11k1 | acz32, hah, Its a bit more raw then I was expecting |
| 21:17.34 | melt7777 | fuck shit ass bitch shoobedy doo wop |
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| 21:27.15 | Contrl | jhutchins: You never answered my question |
| 21:27.32 | Contrl | How would I ban entire countries? |
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| 21:30.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | by blocking the right ip ranges? |
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| 21:30.54 | Contrl | NoImNotNineVolt: Using... iptables or what? |
| 21:31.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | Contrl: using whatever mechanism you find most convenient. iptables is one such mechanism, yes. |
| 21:31.26 | centrx | geoip |
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| 21:32.35 | Contrl | centrx: Do you have a good how-to of this? I'm not running a website. |
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| 21:35.34 | centrx | I suppose you have to find all the ISPs and IP ranges in those countries and block them |
| 21:35.35 | jhutchins | Contrl: You can find lists of IP ranges and block them with IPtables, but simply moving the port actally helps with brute force attacks. It's still possible to scan your system and find the ssh port, but the bulk of the attacks are automated and not targetd at a specific system, so moving the port works. It also implies you've paid some attention to security, so your system is probably not a soft target, and time is better spent el |
| 21:35.48 | Soelen | hello everyone, I can't update my debian anymore, can anyone help me out? I am getting such error messages when I try apt-get update |
| 21:35.51 | Soelen | http://pastebin.com/b5gL78Gd |
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| 21:36.15 | centrx | Contrl, and that's not even a sure thing, easy to circumvent, seems kind of pointless |
| 21:36.33 | jhutchins | Contrl: "linux block asian ip range" returns 1,260,000 hits on Google. |
| 21:37.22 | jhutchins | Contrl: Still, every packet still reaches the kernel, and you can still be DOSed by a brute force even if you're dropping them. Move the port. |
| 21:37.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | it seems like it would make more sense for you to whitelist IP ranges from which you expect to be connecting. |
| 21:37.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | than to blacklist all other ranges. |
| 21:37.46 | Contrl | NoImNotNineVolt: Of course, you're expecting my IP address to never change. |
| 21:37.59 | Contrl | Because if it did, I'd be blocked out of the VPS. |
| 21:38.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | and by running on a nonstandard port, you're sabotaging the efforts of the iana :P |
| 21:38.22 | Contrl | iana? |
| 21:38.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | the iana keeps track of standard port numbers. |
| 21:38.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | and i said "IP range". pick a bigger range. |
| 21:38.47 | Contrl | 'the efforts of'? |
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| 21:39.00 | Contrl | Not quite sure what you're getting at with that comment. |
| 21:39.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | "the efforts" being "standardization". |
| 21:39.24 | Contrl | I don't see that as a big deal. |
| 21:39.27 | Soelen | gah |
| 21:39.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | if adopting standards is seen as "bad security", we've already lost. |
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| 21:41.21 | Contrl | Alright, well I moved the port and I guess I'll just ban using fail2ban then |
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| 21:45.07 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:45.12 | Soelen | I really need help |
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| 21:46.02 | Azrael_- | i want to configure my eth0 to retrieve the ip by dhcp and also have a static ip in it. how can i do this? |
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| 21:48.21 | mi11k1 | Azrael_-, hold on |
| 21:48.26 | Azrael_- | http://pastebin.com/427nLgKC <-- does this configuration work? |
| 21:49.16 | mi11k1 | Azrael_-, https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 21:49.28 | somiaj | Azrael_-: what do you mean? Why do you want to use dhcp and a static ip? Are you wanting to set up a virtual device and actually have both? |
| 21:49.43 | mi11k1 | Azrael_-, no that dont work |
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| 21:49.57 | mi11k1 | Azrael_-, its something like eth0 , eth0:1 |
| 21:50.16 | Azrael_- | somiaj: no, i want to use dhcp and also have it accessible if no dhcp is available by a static ip! |
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| 21:50.39 | Soelen | apt-get update is not working anymore, I need help to update some packages |
| 21:50.50 | somiaj | Azrael_-: so you want a fallback ip? I think you will want to configure dhclient (or your dhcp client) to do this |
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| 21:51.03 | mi11k1 | Azrael_-, http://pastebin.com/EzujnBVP |
| 21:51.09 | somiaj | Soelen: explain what isn't working. |
| 21:51.21 | Azrael_- | somiaj: in the best case i want it to be listening always on the dhcp-ip and the manual one |
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| 21:52.02 | Azrael_- | mi11k1: thanks! |
| 21:52.23 | mi11k1 | Azrael_-, no prob |
| 21:52.29 | Soelen | somiaj: idk, I am trying to update my system but I am always getting those error messages and it immediatly stops the update process |
| 21:52.32 | Soelen | http://pastebin.com/b5gL78Gd |
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| 21:52.56 | Soelen | how is it not able to find the main binary source of amd64 in the first place |
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| 21:53.05 | mi11k1 | Solution-X|AFK, isnt that ubuntu, ppa? |
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| 21:53.14 | mi11k1 | sorry Soelen |
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| 21:53.33 | somiaj | Soelen: those are ubuntu sorces. Of course they won't work in debian. |
| 21:53.50 | mi11k1 | yah |
| 21:53.53 | Soelen | somiaj: I checked /etc/apt/source-list but I don't see any ubuntu relation |
| 21:54.02 | Soelen | so I guess I did something in the past which included them somewhere |
| 21:54.05 | mi11k1 | the ppa ubuntu |
| 21:54.16 | somiaj | Soelen: look in /etc/apt/sources.list and files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory |
| 21:54.40 | Soelen | somiaj: what will happen if I simply delete /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 21:54.46 | somiaj | Soelen: it sounds like you are in the process of breaking y our system if you have ppa sources on it. Could have been done by installing a ubuntu package by hand. Either way this is not supported and will break your system. |
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| 21:55.15 | somiaj | Soelen: you most likely have conflicts inside your system due to something doen int he past that is causing this mix. This is not supported and you may find other errors. |
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| 21:56.08 | mi11k1 | Soelen, , https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 21:57.20 | somiaj | Soelen: but after you remove all of those bad souces, and get your apt-get update to work, run 'aptitude ~o', this will give you a list of packages that could be breaking you system (that got installed from some non debian place) |
| 21:57.24 | Soelen | I see, thank you somiaj and thank you mi11k1 for the link, I will take a look on it |
| 21:58.18 | Soelen | somiaj: yeah I did, but I have now a different problem. What I am trying is to update php, but it is still on version 5.4.4-14, does this mean this is the latest stable version of php for debian wheezy? |
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| 21:59.07 | mi11k1 | Soelen, try wheezy backports |
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| 21:59.46 | Soelen | mi11k1: how? |
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| 22:01.32 | mi11k1 | Soelen, deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 22:01.39 | mi11k1 | add to sources |
| 22:01.45 | Soelen | ty mi11k1 |
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| 22:02.50 | BuFF | hey, i'm curious is it normal after purging the pulseaudio to see it through alsamixer? |
| 22:03.08 | mi11k1 | Soelen, http://pastebin.com/nRCN5v1p |
| 22:03.23 | mi11k1 | BuFF, im curious about that too |
| 22:03.49 | mi11k1 | BuFF, having issues with pulse, I gotta read how the sound works |
| 22:04.02 | BuFF | mi11k1: i actually did not reboot, maybe thats the case? |
| 22:04.09 | BuFF | milosn: what do u mean? |
| 22:04.13 | Soelen | oh sweet, that is quite helpful, thanks! |
| 22:04.42 | mi11k1 | Soelen, you could also add Jessie repo, but read up on apt pinning first |
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| 22:05.32 | mi11k1 | BuFF, i just dont get pulse |
| 22:05.43 | mi11k1 | or alsa |
| 22:05.52 | mi11k1 | I need to reAd up on it |
| 22:06.20 | Soelen | will do! |
| 22:06.58 | Shadow__7 | normally there's an .asoundrc component for pulse. |
| 22:07.21 | BuFF | mi11k1: can u give me a link? i'm not sure what do u mean by telling "i need to read up on it"? |
| 22:07.29 | Shadow__7 | and you need the autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf if you want to turn it off. |
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| 22:08.05 | mi11k1 | BuFF, just theres different pulse apps, and I dont get what pulse is |
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| 22:08.20 | BuFF | ok |
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| 22:08.27 | mi11k1 | BuFF, I dont get the relationship between them |
| 22:08.36 | mi11k1 | I need to read |
| 22:09.32 | Shadow__7 | pulse is a layer on top of alsa. |
| 22:09.45 | Shadow__7 | alsa being the actual sound drivers |
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| 22:10.11 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Seriously, best CURRENT practice for ssh is to NOT run it on the standard port. Port standards were set a long time ago on a very different internet. |
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| 22:10.25 | Shadow__7 | pulse makes changing the default soundcard and sharing the card "simpler" in theory. |
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| 22:10.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | \me tilts at windmills |
| 22:10.48 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I'll see if there's a general security best practice guide I can link you to soon. |
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| 22:11.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | allow me to demonstrate a terrible slippery slope argument. |
| 22:11.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | running on a nonstandard port helps, sure. |
| 22:11.27 | techouse | #centos |
| 22:11.48 | jhutchins | Contrl: fail2ban and IPTables throttling were ok until ~2008 when they developed a low-speed distributed attack. |
| 22:11.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | but so does making proprietary changes to the ssl protocol that prevent standard clients from successfully negotiating a connection. |
| 22:12.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | is that also a general security best practice? if not, why not? |
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| 22:12.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | it sure seem analogous. doing what i describe doesn't really increase security beyond increasing obscurity, much like running on a nonstandard port. |
| 22:12.27 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: That's only necessary if you're allowing anonymous users access. Otherwise they get the port instructions with their credentials. |
| 22:12.30 | Contrl | jhutchins: 'They'? What 'low-speed distributed attack'? |
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| 22:12.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: sure, and they could get a custom ssh client with their credentials. |
| 22:13.08 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Like I said, it's the best way to avoid a DOS attack from brute force scripts, for the reasons I already gave. |
| 22:13.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | i understand that and acknowledge it. |
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| 22:13.33 | jhutchins | Contrl: they = the script kiddies who do this. |
| 22:13.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | but you haven't responded to my suggestion of running a proprietary ssh. |
| 22:13.48 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: No need for a custom client. |
| 22:14.02 | Contrl | You talking about slowloris or something? |
| 22:14.14 | jhutchins | Contrl: Something like that. |
| 22:14.17 | Contrl | Pretty sure that doesn't affect SSH. |
| 22:14.31 | lesocratic | My bluetooth is not visible |
| 22:14.56 | jhutchins | Contrl: Anyway, these days I move the port and don't bother with throttling or fail2ban. |
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| 22:15.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: no need for a nonstandard port either. |
| 22:15.17 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: How many servers do you manage? |
| 22:15.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | we're not talking about "needs". we're talking about effective security practices. |
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| 22:15.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm a security researcher / developer, i'm not a sysadmin. |
| 22:15.56 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Right. |
| 22:16.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | so ad hom it is? :P |
| 22:16.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | fair enough. i rest my case. |
| 22:16.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | mostly because it's beer thirty. |
| 22:16.57 | centrx | Avoiding misleading log messages from automated attacks is good enough reason to use another port |
| 22:17.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | have a good night everyone. |
| 22:18.52 | Contrl | centrx: Yeah, that's a good idea |
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| 22:19.00 | Contrl | But I still don't understand how Fail2Ban is useless? |
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| 22:19.31 | Contrl | Also, I see nothing about how SSH is affected by anything like Slowloris or the like |
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| 22:20.22 | Contrl | Pretty sure Slowloris is a webserver thing. |
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| 22:25.05 | acz32 | mi11k1: ya it's pretty bare. you may be more comfortable with MATE but i3 can be really nice because it's easy to make the most of the screen space, and move around between windows and workspaces quickly |
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| 22:26.40 | acz32 | mi11k1: this explains everything though https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html |
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| 22:31.04 | MrDetonia | Does anybody know of a repository where I can get a (reasonably) up to date version of Firefox? I don't really want to build from source every time there's a new update. |
| 22:31.19 | MrDetonia | ^as in apt-get repository |
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| 22:32.07 | centrx | MrDetonia, mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:32.25 | centrx | MrDetonia, note that regular repo does have up-to-date version of the ESR release |
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| 22:33.22 | MrDetonia | centrx, cheers for that |
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| 22:41.21 | swift110 | how can i download debian without it being 4 gb ? |
| 22:41.32 | digdilem | swift110, netinst image |
| 22:42.03 | swift110 | digdilem: i dont have the machine with me right now |
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| 22:43.53 | chroneos | or even the mini.iso in the netboot set. |
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| 22:44.15 | swift110 | what does the mini .iso include |
| 22:44.32 | swift110 | im good with internet browser, media player and abiword |
| 22:45.42 | centrx | What's your goal with this? |
| 22:45.43 | buu | swift110: with netinstall you choose exactly what to install |
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| 22:46.18 | swift110 | I have a really old machine with 512 mb of ram and I only need it to do basic things really |
| 22:46.22 | swift110 | ok |
| 22:46.34 | chroneos | mini.iso is just the barebones debian-installer, pretty much like netbooting the installer. |
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| 22:47.47 | buu | swift110: Boot net installer. Install barebones system. Choose additional packages. |
| 22:48.00 | swift110 | ok cool |
| 22:48.24 | swift110 | so i can get the basic system set up then when i am online i can get more? |
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| 22:49.02 | buu | Yes |
| 22:49.05 | chroneos | yeah |
| 22:49.13 | swift110 | cool |
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| 22:49.18 | swift110 | where would that option be |
| 22:49.45 | buu | It comes up during the install. |
| 22:49.49 | buu | Also its named apt-get |
| 22:49.59 | chroneos | you'll get an option to select different setups or tasks. Called 'tasksel' |
| 22:50.01 | abrotman | chroneos: don't recommend that |
| 22:50.08 | abrotman | swift110: use the netinst |
| 22:50.11 | swift110 | buu ok i understand that but i dont have internet at home |
| 22:50.19 | abrotman | swift110: none at all? |
| 22:50.27 | buu | Why did you want an internet browser then? |
| 22:50.30 | swift110 | so i would have to bring the laptop to somewhere with wifi and then do the whole thing |
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| 22:51.22 | swift110 | i need the internet for when i am not at home which is most of the time. I just wanted it to have a basic set of programs to get me started like word processor and media player much like other distros |
| 22:52.00 | chroneos | abrotman, what's the aversion to it? I personally run into situations where the netinst iso can be too heavy. |
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| 22:52.13 | abrotman | chroneos: because if you have *no* internet, it's useless |
| 22:52.34 | swift110 | i can simply have the laptop with me where there is internet and do it that way |
| 22:52.40 | swift110 | its not a huge deal |
| 22:53.14 | chroneos | abrotman, yeah, although netinst is still pretty bare without internet, granted it's more useful than the mini. :) |
| 22:53.17 | abrotman | swift110: that's the easiest .. and then I'd use the netinst with firmware |
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| 22:53.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell swift110 about firmware images |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | chroneos: I think you're missing what I'm saying |
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| 22:54.04 | swift110 | ok thanks guys i must go |
| 22:54.14 | chroneos | maybe, what do you mean? |
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| 23:33.21 | Contrl | How would you secure SSH on a VPS? |
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| 23:53.17 | phy1729 | Contrl: go pubkey only and disallow root login |
| 23:53.32 | Contrl | phy1729: I mean, other than that. |
| 23:53.55 | Contrl | I changed the port, did pubkey, disallow root login, using Fail2Ban |
| 23:53.59 | phy1729 | you can run on another port, but with a strong pubkey there's nothing to worry about |
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| 23:58.50 | ZIPY | hi, i installed apache2 and switched to nginx after apt-get purge apache2. when i reboot and try to connect to the http server, it says apache2 is not running. do i have to remove some leftover files? |
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| 23:59.52 | ZIPY | i always have to sudo fuser -k 80/tcp and restart nginx to make it work |
