| 00:01.01 | Contrl | Had another user bring up something about Slowloris being a possible SSH issue, but that's not the case lol |
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| 00:01.46 | mi11k1 | ZIPY, change nginx conf |
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| 00:02.21 | mi11k1 | ZIPY, disable apache in init |
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| 00:04.52 | ZIPY | mi11k1: my nginx.conf looks fine, how do i disable it in init? rc.local ? |
| 00:05.41 | mi11k1 | no, sudo update-init.d apache2 disable i think |
| 00:06.19 | mi11k1 | ZIPY, rc.d actually i think |
| 00:06.28 | ZIPY | ye i think thats the problem |
| 00:06.39 | ZIPY | i found a apache2 file in /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:06.52 | mi11k1 | sudo update-rc.d --help |
| 00:07.32 | mi11k1 | ZIPY, then try sudo service ngix restart |
| 00:07.40 | mi11k1 | sorry *nginx |
| 00:07.42 | ZIPY | update-rc.d apache2 remove i guess? |
| 00:08.04 | mi11k1 | frick, i forget |
| 00:08.19 | mi11k1 | or just do apt-get --purge autoremove apache2 |
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| 00:08.56 | ZIPY | is that the same as apt-get purge apache2 && sudo apt-get autoremove ? |
| 00:09.02 | ZIPY | thats what i did to uninstall apache2 :D |
| 00:09.13 | mi11k1 | no you just use --purge with autoremove |
| 00:09.53 | ZIPY | oh i didnt even know there is a difference between purge and --purge |
| 00:09.53 | mi11k1 | if you removed apache, then those scripts can be deleted or whatever |
| 00:10.23 | mi11k1 | i guess there isnt |
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| 00:10.36 | mi11k1 | thats just the way ive used it |
| 00:10.37 | ZIPY | it says its not installed |
| 00:10.48 | mi11k1 | yah cause you auto removed it |
| 00:11.01 | mi11k1 | try apt-get --purge autoremove by itself |
| 00:11.03 | ZIPY | there is still apache2 in init.d/ tho |
| 00:11.22 | mi11k1 | yah, purge should get rid of config files |
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| 00:11.39 | ZIPY | nothing was removed |
| 00:11.44 | mi11k1 | well, if you already removed it, then obviously its not running |
| 00:11.59 | ZIPY | ye but i still see apache2 in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 00:12.10 | mi11k1 | sudo killall apache2 |
| 00:12.25 | ZIPY | no process found :D |
| 00:12.40 | mi11k1 | ok, sudo service nginx restart |
| 00:12.47 | ZIPY | ye it works |
| 00:12.57 | ZIPY | but when i reboot it wont :D |
| 00:13.13 | mi11k1 | then do enable nginx in init.d |
| 00:13.22 | mi11k1 | rc.d whatever |
| 00:13.28 | ZIPY | when i type in sudo service apa and then tab it will still autocomplete apache2 |
| 00:13.32 | mi11k1 | i always use webmin for those shenigans |
| 00:13.48 | mi11k1 | cause the init.d script is there |
| 00:13.51 | mi11k1 | just delete it |
| 00:13.54 | ZIPY | what happens if i just delete sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 00:13.55 | ZIPY | ye |
| 00:14.00 | ZIPY | rm |
| 00:14.04 | mi11k1 | yah |
| 00:14.09 | mi11k1 | might aswell |
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| 00:14.45 | ZIPY | ok |
| 00:14.46 | mi11k1 | theres obviously a proper way to do it, but it will work, lol |
| 00:14.54 | ZIPY | now i cant autocomplete apache2 anymore :D |
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| 00:15.39 | ZIPY | well ye, i would have deleted that file earlier was just to scared xD |
| 00:16.11 | ZIPY | ok i guess this will work now, since it cant find a apache2 service now anymore, thx |
| 00:16.14 | mi11k1 | i would just reinstall apache2 and then fo the --purge autoremove apache2 |
| 00:16.22 | ZIPY | did that already |
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| 00:16.36 | ZIPY | it wont delete the init.d script |
| 00:16.47 | mi11k1 | ok, well you just did |
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| 00:17.09 | mi11k1 | theres prob some crap in /etc aswell |
| 00:17.37 | ZIPY | yep a whole folder :d |
| 00:17.53 | ZIPY | is it save to delete /etc/apache2 aswell? :) |
| 00:18.00 | mi11k1 | yah |
| 00:18.02 | ZIPY | safe |
| 00:18.10 | mi11k1 | you dont have apache2 |
| 00:18.26 | ZIPY | gone :D |
| 00:18.51 | mi11k1 | maybe something in /usr/www i think |
| 00:19.19 | ZIPY | is it a different location then the www folder of nginx? |
| 00:19.33 | mi11k1 | check the config |
| 00:19.44 | mi11k1 | in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled |
| 00:19.48 | mi11k1 | think |
| 00:20.18 | ZIPY | /usr/share/nginx |
| 00:20.22 | ZIPY | /usr/share/nginx/www |
| 00:20.26 | ZIPY | this is the one of nginx |
| 00:20.49 | mi11k1 | no, i think you need to check the path i gave you |
| 00:21.00 | mi11k1 | for the active config |
| 00:21.34 | ZIPY | /etc/nginx/sites-enabled there are only 2 links |
| 00:21.37 | ZIPY | i need both |
| 00:21.45 | mi11k1 | i think default config points to /var/www/html |
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| 00:22.02 | ZIPY | yes, that path doesnt exist on my pi |
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| 00:22.06 | ZIPY | i checked already |
| 00:22.20 | mi11k1 | check config file in that folder |
| 00:22.30 | mi11k1 | what is the other file? |
| 00:22.42 | ZIPY | which folder, the sites-enabled? |
| 00:22.45 | mi11k1 | yah |
| 00:23.03 | ZIPY | default and one i created for seafile |
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| 00:23.46 | mi11k1 | umm, im not too familiar with it, but just point default to where u want |
| 00:24.01 | TacoGS | Anyone know the package to remove to get rid of apache2? |
| 00:24.03 | mi11k1 | seafile? |
| 00:24.15 | mi11k1 | haha apt-get --purge autoremove apache2 |
| 00:24.35 | ZIPY | xD |
| 00:24.42 | TacoGS | You are a kind and gentle soul |
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| 00:24.51 | ZIPY | we just talked about it xD |
| 00:25.05 | TacoGS | from reading up I am doing the same thing |
| 00:25.11 | TacoGS | removing apache2 for nginx-full |
| 00:25.18 | ZIPY | TacoGS: check /etc/init.d/ folder after remove |
| 00:25.19 | shay_shay | Hey I got some thing in /Dev/mapper which prevents me from using my USB thumb drive... Any way I can wipe it out? I have tried everything I have found on google |
| 00:25.31 | ZIPY | i had a leftover script there apache2 |
| 00:25.36 | mi11k1 | the --purge should get rid of that file |
| 00:25.40 | shay_shay | The thumb drive I zero'd the beginning with did even |
| 00:25.41 | mi11k1 | usually |
| 00:25.44 | TacoGS | yeah, it remains |
| 00:25.46 | ZIPY | well it didnt for me ^^ |
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| 00:26.06 | mi11k1 | shay_shay, do you have usbutils? |
| 00:26.10 | mi11k1 | package |
| 00:26.11 | ZIPY | it blocked port 80 for nginx |
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| 00:26.40 | ZIPY | couldnt start nginx even after i purged apache2... so u might want to delete that start script too after purging apache2 |
| 00:27.02 | TacoGS | I did |
| 00:27.02 | mi11k1 | I think that was something else that did that |
| 00:27.19 | mi11k1 | is the folder /etc/apache2 gone? |
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| 00:27.28 | mi11k1 | and /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 00:27.55 | TacoGS | rm -rf /etc/apache2 ? |
| 00:28.03 | ZIPY | i had to delete both, but it was on raspbian |
| 00:28.08 | mi11k1 | umm, i just do -R |
| 00:28.18 | mi11k1 | i dont know what f is |
| 00:28.20 | ZIPY | is the folder there? |
| 00:28.27 | TacoGS | force |
| 00:28.35 | ZIPY | but does it exist? |
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| 00:29.05 | ZIPY | if yes i know im not the only one with this problem |
| 00:29.14 | TacoGS | apache2 processes still listed |
| 00:29.24 | mi11k1 | sudo killall apache2 |
| 00:29.25 | TacoGS | I have a feeling this is going to be a kill session, blood everywhere |
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| 00:29.41 | mi11k1 | sudo service apache2 stop |
| 00:29.44 | TacoGS | didn't know you could killall, nice |
| 00:29.48 | ZIPY | hmm maybe that was the problem |
| 00:30.01 | ZIPY | i purged while there were still some active processes maybe |
| 00:30.03 | TacoGS | I did ./nginx restart |
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| 00:30.05 | ZIPY | and it didnt close them |
| 00:30.10 | TacoGS | it failed to bind, therefore apache2 was running |
| 00:30.17 | mi11k1 | yah |
| 00:30.23 | TacoGS | ps aux | grep -i apache2 |
| 00:30.30 | ZIPY | -i ? |
| 00:30.30 | mi11k1 | you can do service nginx restart |
| 00:30.36 | TacoGS | -i is insensative |
| 00:30.48 | ZIPY | hmm i think it is by default |
| 00:30.53 | ZIPY | never used it |
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| 00:31.16 | TacoGS | mi11k1: never knew they added a service command to run the scripts for you |
| 00:31.16 | mi11k1 | try webmn guys |
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| 00:31.35 | TacoGS | what? |
| 00:31.42 | mi11k1 | yah, sudo service (service) start/stop , etc |
| 00:31.48 | mi11k1 | webmin |
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| 00:32.34 | TacoGS | another thing I quite enjoyed was gnoMint |
| 00:32.40 | ZIPY | what is webmin |
| 00:32.47 | ZIPY | webadmin? |
| 00:32.57 | mi11k1 | web admin for linux |
| 00:33.02 | TacoGS | I used it for private cert authority, signed my own cert |
| 00:33.09 | ZIPY | sudo find / | grep nginx.conf |
| 00:33.09 | ZIPY | /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 00:33.09 | ZIPY | /etc/nginx/conf.d |
| 00:33.12 | mi11k1 | www.webmin.com |
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| 00:33.24 | ZIPY | no -i and it even found /nginx/conf.d lol |
| 00:33.34 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 00:33.35 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 00:33.40 | mi11k1 | theres a 3rd party nginx plugin for webmin too |
| 00:34.01 | mi11k1 | dpkg, yes i know, but it made learning easier for me |
| 00:34.01 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mi11k1 |
| 00:34.02 | ZIPY | sounds interesting |
| 00:34.04 | TacoGS | I am going to not do that |
| 00:34.14 | TacoGS | Especially after dpkg suggested it was lame an unsafe |
| 00:34.35 | mi11k1 | dpkg, im pretty new, but nobody else is helping |
| 00:34.35 | dpkg | mi11k1: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:34.36 | [Gort] | ah, the days of linuxconf and webmin |
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| 00:34.47 | OSVG | mi11k1: dpkg is a bot. |
| 00:34.55 | mi11k1 | haha |
| 00:34.55 | ZIPY | xD |
| 00:35.13 | centrx | !bot |
| 00:35.13 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:35.13 | somiaj | mi11k1: dpkg is a bot that spits out different 'factoids'. We usually refrain from suggesting webmin around here. |
| 00:35.14 | TacoGS | a bot named after the pkg manager |
| 00:35.24 | mi11k1 | ahhh, i see |
| 00:35.47 | mi11k1 | i just enable it to make some changes, then stop it |
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| 00:36.13 | mi11k1 | i barely use it now, got cli pretty well now |
| 00:36.19 | ZIPY | i hate you dpkg, i tried to dpkg-configure locales today on kali.. you didnt do your job |
| 00:36.37 | mi11k1 | my vps used to have that issue |
| 00:36.50 | ZIPY | he always said locales-all are installed or sth |
| 00:37.07 | somiaj | ZIPY: kali is not #debian. |
| 00:37.35 | mi11k1 | i used to use it, jessie now |
| 00:37.37 | ZIPY | but it shouldve worked anyways :( |
| 00:37.40 | somiaj | don't expect things to work the same for non debian based distros. |
| 00:37.49 | mi11k1 | kali is debian |
| 00:37.50 | mi11k1 | ??? |
| 00:37.57 | somiaj | ZIPY: doesn't have to. Doesn't work on ubuntu either |
| 00:37.58 | somiaj | !kali |
| 00:37.59 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 00:38.04 | ZIPY | i hate ubuntu |
| 00:38.17 | mi11k1 | agreed |
| 00:38.36 | ZIPY | started with it and was so annoyed by all those crashes |
| 00:38.42 | mi11k1 | I started with crunchbang and just stook with debian |
| 00:38.44 | somiaj | again, things based on debian are not supported here and sometimes there are differences. Part of the reason they are not supported is because of the differences and things don't work as we expect because it is not debian. |
| 00:38.48 | ZIPY | i swtiched to linux to have a stable system |
| 00:39.06 | ZIPY | i used jessie before, too |
| 00:39.07 | mi11k1 | isnt this #debian? |
| 00:39.25 | mi11k1 | i love jessie |
| 00:39.35 | ZIPY | but i always had to reconfigure my xorg after kernel updates |
| 00:39.41 | ZIPY | so i moved to wheezy |
| 00:39.57 | somiaj | mi11k1: yes, but we don't support kali or other based on debian things. As ZIPY pointed out 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' did not do the same thing on kali as on debian. |
| 00:39.59 | mi11k1 | im way happier with jessie |
| 00:40.09 | mi11k1 | somiaj, oh sorry |
| 00:40.21 | TacoGS | Whenever I hear that, I always think Jessie is the girlfriend... maybe it still is |
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| 00:40.40 | ZIPY | well jessie is my girlfriend soon as soon it is stable xD |
| 00:40.52 | mi11k1 | it works fine now |
| 00:40.58 | mi11k1 | for a desktop |
| 00:41.05 | mi11k1 | wouldnt use it for a server |
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| 00:41.47 | mi11k1 | stable is no fun |
| 00:41.56 | ZIPY | why not, im not missing anything |
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| 00:42.18 | mi11k1 | kodi installs easily |
| 00:42.35 | ZIPY | well i have kodi on my pi, dont need it on my desktop ^^ |
| 00:42.47 | mi11k1 | and i was messing with ardupilot and apmplanner, and it requires testing pretty much |
| 00:43.00 | mi11k1 | what do u have on Pi? OS ? |
| 00:43.05 | ZIPY | raspbian |
| 00:43.16 | mi11k1 | have u heard of minibian? |
| 00:43.38 | ZIPY | i think i tried it out once |
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| 00:43.45 | mi11k1 | raspian is overweight |
| 00:43.49 | ZIPY | but the new raspbian installer is very minimalistic too |
| 00:43.55 | ZIPY | the net-ua-installer |
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| 00:44.27 | mi11k1 | I just get the install minimal and functioning, and make a 2gig img |
| 00:44.38 | themill | searches in vain for some relevance to #debian |
| 00:44.49 | mi11k1 | minibian doesnt even have an installer |
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| 00:45.20 | ZIPY | the net-ua-installer is also just a small script |
| 00:45.49 | mi11k1 | minibian is just an image. no install |
| 00:45.55 | ZIPY | i installed raspbian on 500gb drive tho since i seafile as cloud etc |
| 00:46.02 | themill | ZIPY, mi11k1: please take it elsewhere |
| 00:46.09 | somiaj | mi11k1, ZIPY: Do either of you have an actual debian support question? |
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| 00:46.20 | mi11k1 | themill, for real? |
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| 00:46.54 | ZIPY | i gtg anyways, gn8 |
| 00:47.18 | mi11k1 | yah, #debian is pretty not friendly ppl |
| 00:47.20 | mi11k1 | peace |
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| 00:52.14 | chairmanmao | Hi, I'm having issues restarting my network through command line w/ debian jessie. Can you please help me? |
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| 00:53.34 | somiaj | chairmanmao: what do you mean by 'restarting your network'. And what are you trying to do to restart it? Also do you use network-manager to manage your network. |
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| 00:55.08 | chairmanmao | somiaj: What should I write instead of service networking restart? (This was a pre systemd command on debian wheezy) |
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| 01:40.13 | bramgg | I'm trying to install apache/php5.4 on Jessie, but the official PHP5 repo is on 5.6. Are there older versions for Jessie and if so where can I find them? |
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| 01:41.10 | somiaj | bramgg: there aren't going to be any supported or secure versions. You can get older packages as snapshot.debian.org but they may not work with the curret libs on jessie. |
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| 01:41.25 | somiaj | ,v php5 |
| 01:41.26 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze25; wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.39-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.39-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.6+dfsg-2; sid: 5.6.6+dfsg-2; sid: 5.6.7+dfsg-1 |
| 01:41.46 | somiaj | bramgg: if you need 5.4, why not just use wheezy, it is the stable release after all and better to use for a server. |
| 01:42.07 | bramgg | somiaj: because this is on the desktop, and I don't want to change my OS |
| 01:42.27 | somiaj | bramgg: you could run the apache server in a wheezy chroot |
| 01:42.47 | somiaj | bramgg: or install php5 there and run what ever server/php processor you need |
| 01:43.41 | bramgg | somiaj: is chroot like docker? |
| 01:43.59 | TacoGS | Going from OpenSuSE to Debian again is fun, after learning most of my networking on OpenSuSE |
| 01:44.26 | somiaj | bramgg: I don't know what docker is, but you can use debootstrap to build a chroot. It is basically an install located at some location on your hd, and then you chroot into it, so it is like you are running a different version but using the current running os and kernel. |
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| 02:14.07 | mi11k1 | I have an old Thinkpad with IR, but cant get it working |
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| 02:20.15 | somiaj | mi11k1: you can't get the IR to work? What have you tried? |
| 02:20.31 | mi11k1 | reading some google stuff, using lirc |
| 02:20.51 | mi11k1 | just tried changing lirc config |
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| 02:21.49 | mi11k1 | damn, i think i left it disabled in bios, cant find it in dmesg at the moment |
| 02:23.21 | somiaj | mi11k1: have you checked if the modules are loaded? If not you can try to load them yourself and see if it detects your hardware. Or as you said might have to turn it on in your bios first. |
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| 02:23.28 | mi11k1 | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/hz0WesF6 |
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| 02:24.23 | mi11k1 | somiaj, I havent really gotten into modprobe yet |
| 02:24.52 | somiaj | mi11k1: I' |
| 02:25.09 | mi11k1 | everything ive done worked out of the box mostly, just some rtl-sdr |
| 02:25.17 | somiaj | mi11k1: I'm not familar enough with ir devices to understand much of what is being said. |
| 02:25.36 | mi11k1 | somiaj, i was referring to loading drivers |
| 02:25.47 | somiaj | mi11k1: modprobe module_name |
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| 02:26.05 | mi11k1 | thats it? that will load it? |
| 02:26.07 | somiaj | mi11k1: usually there will be no output, check dmesg to see the status. type 'lsmod' to list the currently loaded modules |
| 02:26.35 | somiaj | if the module is avaiable though the kernel it will attempt to load it. There can be reasons it won't load (such as no hardware to support it) |
| 02:26.43 | mi11k1 | somiaj, theres one that irda |
| 02:26.55 | mi11k1 | guessing that would be it |
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| 02:27.13 | rohan_ | would an O(n) computer program be fast? |
| 02:27.33 | mi11k1 | the whole line reads, crc_ccitt 12331 1 irda |
| 02:27.33 | mutual | rohan_ is this homework? |
| 02:28.04 | rohan_ | nope |
| 02:28.08 | somiaj | mi11k1: that says the module crc_ccitt is loaded and depends on the module irda |
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| 02:28.51 | somiaj | rohan_: speed is releative, it isn't how fast it is, it is how the speed scales as you increase the data size. |
| 02:28.57 | mi11k1 | somiaj, ok im going to look that up |
| 02:29.00 | mi11k1 | thanks |
| 02:29.08 | somiaj | rohan_: O(n) means if you double the datasize you basically double the amount of calculations (or reduce the speed) |
| 02:29.51 | rohan_ | somiaj, i guess thats the fastest a computer program can be |
| 02:29.55 | mutual | no |
| 02:29.59 | mutual | 0(1) |
| 02:30.06 | rohan_ | no |
| 02:30.12 | rohan_ | thats a constant datasize |
| 02:30.35 | dvs | rohan_: No, that's a constant time no matter how much data there is. |
| 02:30.41 | mutual | ^ |
| 02:30.45 | rohan_ | well the fastest would be an exponentially decreasing function but that wouldnt make sense |
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| 02:30.59 | mutual | that would be like inserting at the beginning |
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| 02:31.06 | dvs | yes |
| 02:31.16 | somiaj | rohan_: scaling equivlant to log(n) is considered nice. |
| 02:32.44 | rohan_ | somiaj, that's unrealistic |
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| 02:33.04 | dvs | rohan_: No, it's possible |
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| 02:33.24 | dvs | rohan_: Like an insert into a binary tree |
| 02:33.38 | mutual | ^^^^^ |
| 02:33.39 | rohan_ | what is an insert |
| 02:33.52 | dvs | add to a binary tree |
| 02:33.55 | mutual | !define insert |
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| 02:41.24 | mi11k1 | somiaj, now i have this output, irda 90261 2 ircomm_tty,ircomm |
| 02:41.41 | mi11k1 | and [ 5972.534473] IrCOMM protocol (Dag Brattli) |
| 02:41.45 | mi11k1 | for dmesg |
| 02:41.46 | somiaj | mi11k1: again this is just saying the modules are loaded, you have to check dmesg to see what sort of info the gave you. |
| 02:42.20 | mi11k1 | somiaj, ok, well I guess I made progress, thanks |
| 02:42.22 | somiaj | mi11k1: I don't know how much more help I can be over basic this is how you load drivers and look for output. I haven't ever used IR hardware so unsure what needs to be done to get it to work. |
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| 02:42.43 | mi11k1 | somiaj, no thats good, thanks |
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| 03:45.07 | k-man | do you think any form of peer 2 peer downloading of .debs will ever become the default in debian? |
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| 03:52.05 | k-man | so will i have any issues running xorg with 3 monitors? |
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| 03:53.57 | somiaj | k-man: all on one graphics card or on multipel graphics cards? |
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| 03:54.37 | k-man | one graphics card but i think somehow the graphics card might present itself as 2. at least in windows it seemed to appear as 2 graphics cards |
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| 03:55.36 | somiaj | k-man: shoudln't have much of an issue. I've seen peopel sometimes have issues when using multiple cards. But it should work just fine (I haven't had any issues with my graphics card and multiple moninotors) |
| 03:55.58 | k-man | somiaj, ok thanks |
| 03:56.09 | k-man | i'm installing jessie now so I'll find out soon enough :) |
| 03:56.49 | somiaj | k-man: most drivers have XRandR support which via xrandr makes configuring multiple mointors fairly easy. There are even gui front ends to xrandr |
| 03:57.06 | k-man | nice |
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| 04:01.20 | Loaft | anyone wanan give me a hand with postfix? |
| 04:02.29 | centrx | !ask |
| 04:02.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 04:02.43 | Rusty1 | there is a #postfix channe as welll |
| 04:02.43 | gerforce | hello, i have a problem with flash plugin. I installed debian wheezy recently. I still can't use flash plugin in iceweasel even if i had installed flashplugin-nonfree package. I have done this before on which iceweasel fuctions well after i have done that. So what's the problem? |
| 04:02.53 | Loaft | ah ill check the channel thanks! |
| 04:04.33 | centrx | gerforce, What doesn't work about it? Is there any kind of output or behavior? |
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| 04:05.05 | gerforce | centrx: yes, it prompts me to install flash. |
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| 04:06.05 | gerforce | centrx: After i clicked the icon. It couldn't be done by itself. |
| 04:06.44 | somiaj | gerforce: are you sure flashplugin-nonfree is installed, what is the output of update-flashplugin-nonfree --status |
| 04:07.35 | hassoon | gerforce: enable the flash plugin in the browser's plugins menu, it's there but needs to be activated |
| 04:07.53 | hassoon | gerforce: set it to always-activated |
| 04:09.02 | gerforce | somiaj: absolutely. The output of this command is Flash Player version installed on this system : |
| 04:09.05 | gerforce | Flash Player version available on upstream site: 11.2.202.451 |
| 04:09.07 | gerforce | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for flash-mozilla.so |
| 04:09.43 | somiaj | gerforce: now run that command but use --install instead of --status |
| 04:09.54 | gerforce | hassoon: i couldn't see it in the browser's plugin menu. That's the problem |
| 04:10.37 | hassoon | gerforce: restarted iceweasel at least ? |
| 04:11.09 | gerforce | hassoon: of course i have done that. Give me some credit. :) |
| 04:11.24 | hassoon | ahah |
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| 04:12.27 | gerforce | somiaj: i am running it |
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| 04:13.40 | gerforce | somiaj: bingo |
| 04:13.55 | hassoon | i use the one in adobe's site anyway :p |
| 04:14.17 | gerforce | somiaj: problem solved. Now i can see the pligin in iceweasel. |
| 04:14.38 | somiaj | hassoon: same thing, all flashplugin-nonfree does is download the .so from adobe and put it on your system. |
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| 04:14.59 | hassoon | somiaj: the one in adobe"s site is newer anyway |
| 04:15.04 | gerforce | hassoon: so you installed it mannually. |
| 04:15.10 | hassoon | gerforce: yep, it's fun |
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| 04:15.45 | gerforce | somiaj: Why i couldn't update this package within my routine system update? |
| 04:15.54 | gerforce | somiaj: like apt-get upgrade? |
| 04:16.39 | hassoon | somiaj: it's strange though, i used to get the flash player like gerforce did, from the repositories, and restarting iceweasel is enough for the plugin to become usable |
| 04:16.50 | gerforce | hassoon: yes But for a newbie like me, it will not be very clear and i hate messing thing up. |
| 04:16.52 | hassoon | but gerforce faced another case |
| 04:17.27 | hassoon | gerforce: yeah, the repositories are always the first choice whe, you want to get a piee of software |
| 04:17.44 | hassoon | * when* |
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| 04:20.31 | gerforce | hassoon: i am working on it to be a professional linux user. :) |
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| 04:20.58 | hassoon | gerforce: cool, good luck , stick with that |
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| 04:22.25 | hassoon | somiaj: oh wait, sorry, the flash player version the flashplugin-nonfree comes with seems to be the same as the one founded in adobe's site for linux systems |
| 04:23.04 | somiaj | hassoon: the script should run automatically when it is installed, but if it fails you just need to run the script again. Also you need to manually run it to get updates. |
| 04:23.39 | hassoon | somiaj: yeah, i see |
| 04:23.45 | somiaj | gerforce: mostly because it is non-free software. The script doesn't get updated everytime flash does, you just need to update it manually using the command I gave you. |
| 04:24.11 | somiaj | gerforce: I'm unsure why it didn't install when you isntalled the package, maybe some strange error that it treated as a warning and moved on |
| 04:26.01 | gerforce | somiaj: All right. Thanks for your help. |
| 04:26.23 | gerforce | hassoon: same with you. have a nice day. |
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| 04:26.34 | hassoon | or night.. |
| 04:26.55 | gerforce | hassoon: i am in asia. haha |
| 04:27.11 | hassoon | gerforce: cool, the far-eastern area ? |
| 04:27.20 | gerforce | hassoon: it's 12:00 now. |
| 04:27.45 | hassoon | ewww, must be korea or something |
| 04:27.49 | hassoon | or japan |
| 04:28.02 | hassoon | i'm in north america |
| 04:28.04 | gerforce | hassoon: keep trying |
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| 04:28.11 | hassoon | gerforce: taiwan ? |
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| 04:28.30 | gerforce | hassoon: no |
| 04:28.42 | hassoon | china |
| 04:28.48 | gerforce | bingo |
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| 04:29.06 | hassoon | gerforce: give my best to michele chen |
| 04:30.04 | gerforce | hassoon: you like her? |
| 04:30.10 | hassoon | sure thing |
| 04:30.39 | gerforce | hassoon: maybe we shouldn't talk here. PM me. |
| 04:31.24 | hassoon | gerforce: it's okey, whatever |
| 04:31.26 | hassoon | see you around |
| 04:31.48 | gerforce | see you |
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| 04:35.57 | mi11k1 | somiaj, I cant get ttyS1 to release |
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| 04:40.05 | somiaj | mi11k1: what is holding it, you can use lsof to see what program has it open if that is what you are meaning |
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| 04:41.16 | mi11k1 | somiaj, ok, im getting ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged! in dmesg, I might have just found a workaround |
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| 05:51.50 | econdudeawesome | Just installed Debian, MAJOR issues. Get garbles graphics. Was able to install the nvidia driver (nvidia amd64), now GUI won't even start |
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| 06:56.32 | jinsdhie | bandwidth management, traffic shaping, bandwidth control any? |
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| 07:17.51 | JeffJeffers | I'm getting persistent display artifacts and I'm trying to figure out which package is causing it. It's not a hardware problem because the screen has been replaced and the artifacts still appear. |
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| 07:23.14 | copana | JeffJeffers: could be gpu |
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| 07:54.51 | atgnag | It seems the mpv package needs to be compiled differently. |
| 07:55.05 | atgnag | When running it with or without arguments, I get "mpv was compiled and linked against a mixture of Libav and FFmpeg versions. This won't work and will most likely crash at some point. Exiting." |
| 07:55.18 | rubas | Hello, I made a nodejs script which is acting as a webserver. I made a new user account on my debian machine, and through this user account running this nodejs script. Now if my nodejs script is not entirely secure, I mean like if there is a security hole in my nodejs script, is there any way to restrict my nodejs script to only do harm locally? (only for the user) |
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| 08:06.43 | JeffJeffers | the display artifacts don't show when using a live usb |
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| 08:23.58 | ChrisH | JeffJeffers: Then creating a clean new user can be the next test. This rules out its related to any user specific configuration |
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| 08:37.06 | Elec_A | Hello , I have just install Viber, But it does not start in GUI, how can i know whats the problem ? |
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| 08:39.43 | ChrisH | ,v viber |
| 08:39.44 | judd | No package named 'viber' was found in i386. |
| 08:40.02 | ChrisH | Elec_A: does not seems to be a Debian packaged SW |
| 08:40.18 | jelly | ChrisH: it's a closed source thingy |
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| 08:41.12 | jelly | Elec_A: start it from a terminal and see if there's any output |
| 08:41.29 | ChrisH | Then standard approach: strace -fo /tmp/strace.prgram $PROGRAM ; if that does not help, ask their support to assist. |
| 08:41.54 | Elec_A | I have downloaded it from here :http://www.viber.com/en/products/linux |
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| 08:42.03 | Elec_A | there is a version for debian amd 64 |
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| 08:42.32 | Elec_A | jelly: how can i run it from Terminal |
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| 08:42.48 | Elec_A | jelly: how can i run it from debian |
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| 08:43.04 | jelly | Elec_A: huh? type in the command name and press enter? |
| 08:43.19 | Elec_A | i don't know whats the command name |
| 08:43.33 | jelly | is it not viber? |
| 08:43.37 | Elec_A | no |
| 08:43.48 | ChrisH | Elec_A: dpkg -L packagename |
| 08:44.20 | jelly | Elec_A: then look at the package contents with dpkg -L packagename, see if it put an executable under /usr/bin and run that |
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| 08:45.12 | Elec_A | jelly ChrisH : it's the output : http://fpaste.org/203681/27445889/ |
| 08:45.37 | Elec_A | there is nothing under /usr/bin |
| 08:45.40 | jelly | Elec_A: it's probably /opt/viber/Viber |
| 08:46.32 | Elec_A | thank you, yes, there is a lot of errors related to GlibC : http://fpaste.org/203682/27445971/ |
| 08:46.59 | jelly | Elec_A: that binary was not built for Debian 7. |
| 08:47.48 | ChrisH | Tested on: Ubuntu, Fedora |
| 08:47.52 | jelly | debian 7 only has glibc (libc6 package) version 2.13 |
| 08:47.53 | Elec_A | jelly: how did you get that ? |
| 08:47.58 | Elec_A | aha |
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| 08:49.40 | jelly | libc6 is an essential system component so it would not be a good idea to upgrade it. Use a distro they support. This binary _might_ work on the upcoming debian jessie release. |
| 08:49.41 | Elec_A | isn't it possible to install newer version of GlibC ? |
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| 08:50.20 | Elec_A | jelly: thank you |
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| 09:04.07 | pfote | quite strange problem here: have a mail server and a takeover (excat copy, both squeeze). when switching to the takeover, postfix-policyd didnt come up with a error "fatal: didn't find priority 'LOG_MILL', exiting" .. when changing in policyd config SYSLOG_FACILITY="LOG_MAIL | LOG_INFO" to LOG_MAIL only, policyd comes up (but doesnt log anymore). syslog-ng config is also identical on both machines. any idea what this could be? |
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| 09:05.08 | pfote | (restarting syslog has no effect btw) |
| 09:05.17 | jelly | pfote: LOG_MILL ? |
| 09:05.28 | pfote | yap |
| 09:05.41 | jelly | that looks like an obvious typo somewhere |
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| 09:07.26 | pfote | checked several times |
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| 09:08.21 | pfote | if you switch the order of log_facility/priority, error changes to "fatal: didn't find priority 'LOG_IFOO', exiting" |
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| 09:10.10 | jelly | pfote: what if you put LOG_ABCD, does that become LOG_ACDD in the error message |
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| 09:11.29 | pfote | nope, stays fatal: didn't find priority 'LOG_ABCD', exiting |
| 09:12.15 | jelly | where does postfix-policyd come from? |
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| 09:14.27 | Cat_ | hello... i am reaching the end of my line. help me debian-community, you are my only hope :) |
| 09:14.35 | mrtnt | When migration to systemd takes place in next Debian release, what will happen with all the SystemV type init scripts in /etc/init.d? In addition, lot of packages come with their own init scripts. |
| 09:15.01 | pfote | jelly: unknown, probably a adjusted copy of /usr/share/postfix-policyd/postfix-policyd.conf |
| 09:15.09 | Cat_ | server, debian 7.8, apache2, php, mysql, postfix, cyrusimap and some other smaller stuff |
| 09:15.09 | jelly | pfote: if the error message can't be trusted, I guess you have to debug the script or strace it |
| 09:15.28 | hgl | hi guys, I want to run some script after the network is up. So i put the script in /etc/network/if-up.d/xxx, but the script is never run after I reboot. manually exec ifup -a does run the script. what might be the problem? I'm using debian 7 in an openvz vps. could openvz be the problem? google doesn't seem to suggest openvz could disable if-up.d |
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| 09:15.34 | pfote | jelly: yeah, probably |
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| 09:15.55 | jelly | mrtnt: the remaining init scripts will still work |
| 09:16.16 | Cat_ | and in apache error log i get those two lines repeatetly but so far i cant figure out what exactly is triggering them (or when exactly) |
| 09:16.20 | Cat_ | unnamed app(2812) KSystemTimeZonesPrivate::readConfig: readConfig(): local zone= "UTC" unnamed app(2812) KSystemTimeZonesPrivate::readZoneTab: readZoneTab( "/usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab" ) |
| 09:17.03 | jelly | Cat_: and what's the process 2812? |
| 09:17.23 | Cat_ | apache (some fork process) |
| 09:17.46 | jelly | Cat_: does the number change? |
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| 09:18.38 | Cat_ | jelly: yeah, it may have been the same one twice but usually they differ |
| 09:19.23 | jelly | Cat_: if you google KSystemTimeZonesPrivate::readConfig: readConfig do you see any of your installed software in the results? |
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| 09:21.31 | Cat_ | jelly: most hits are about old bugs in kde, one is about kolab. i dont have kde but i do have kolab. problem is the old issue was never resolved and I dont believe it was an accurate deduction to say problem a is because of service b. not the least because service b should nothave anything to do with apache and I HAVE IT DISABLED |
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| 09:22.35 | jelly | Cat_: fsvo disabled? Is it completely impossible to access any kolab code via http given current apache configuration? |
| 09:24.37 | Cat_ | jelly: what is fvso? and of course i have lots of kolab stuff still running. but wallace (the service apparently guilty according to the old kolab post I can find with this error) is disabled. |
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| 09:25.27 | jelly | "for some values of" |
| 09:25.58 | Cat_ | jelly: maybe I should mention, I have a second, "identical" server which is not putting out these errors (differences are the users and data created by users, not hard/software) |
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| 09:26.48 | jelly | Cat_: correlate error log with access log and figure out which http requests generate those lines |
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| 09:28.06 | mrtnt | jelly: ok. So there will be some sort of compatibility layer which will translate SysV type init scripts suitable for systemd? |
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| 09:29.06 | jelly | mrtnt: that layer is an integral part of systemd yes |
| 09:29.25 | tdn | I just got some kernel traces in dmesg with the warning: "rcu_preempt detected stall on CPU" (full trace here: http://paste.yt/p3310.html ) I have googled this and found this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/RCU/stallwarn.txt I have read it all, but I am not sure what to make of it. Is this something that is safe to ignore? Or should I be worried that my hw is failing? Or if someone is exploiting some vulnerability in the kernel? |
| 09:29.42 | Cat_ | jelly: i wish it would be that easy. tail -f and visuell insepction is hard because of random occurances. worse however is that the entries are not timestamped. |
| 09:29.53 | jelly | mrtnt: hell, on this jessie workstation, even the network is still brought up via ifupdown init script |
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| 09:34.15 | mrtnt | jelly: ok.. But in the future SysV type init scripts should disappear and all the configuration should happen with native systemd start-up files? |
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| 09:34.54 | Iridos | mmh... how does one make these systemd start-up files, then, and where are they |
| 09:34.56 | jelly | mrtnt: that remains to be seen |
| 09:35.00 | Iridos | you scare me! |
| 09:35.13 | jelly | !slap Iridos |
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| 09:35.13 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Iridos's face |
| 09:35.31 | Iridos | !slap jelly |
| 09:35.31 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across jelly's face |
| 09:35.53 | jelly | this means WAR |
| 09:36.20 | Iridos | this could go on like this for hours |
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| 09:36.27 | Gofol | Hey folks |
| 09:36.30 | thomas_d | how to get that big channel list sorted by numbers of users or alphabetical within irssi??? |
| 09:37.28 | Gofol | Someone knows where I can find the apache services in Debian? |
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| 09:37.33 | Gofol | Please |
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| 09:39.06 | Gofol | The list I mean |
| 09:39.06 | greenit | hi, as xfce 4.12 is in experimental, did anyone already try to install it? Will it break my system if i update xfce 4.10 to 4.12? |
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| 09:39.47 | mrtnt | jelly: ok, thanks! |
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| 09:40.22 | AxonetBE | On my debian the ntp service is not booted after a reboot, when I run systemctl enable ntpdate.service I got back Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory. I installed it with apt-get install ntp ( on Arm BeagleBone ) |
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| 09:40.59 | SPF | some entries in rsyslog.conf have a dash in front of the log file ( for example -/var/log/mail.info). What is the purpose of this character? |
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| 09:43.35 | Iridos | Gofol, what service list |
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| 09:50.26 | ChrisH | SPF: man syslog.conf (from my memory: create if missing) |
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| 09:56.11 | SPF | ChrisH: it's man rsyslog.conf, and I couldn't find it |
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| 09:59.05 | SPF | ChrisH: it's either the full file including patch, or @ for remote host or : or ~ |
| 09:59.10 | SPF | *path |
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| 10:04.14 | DavidFromBelgium | when installing wheezy, what is the "Laptop" software selection item ? I mean, it is quite obvious but where can I find more information about the content of this softcare selection ? |
| 10:05.18 | nkuttler | DavidFromBelgium: apt-cache show task-laptop |
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| 10:06.10 | DavidFromBelgium | nkuttler: how am I supposed to do that during installation ? in a console I get : apt-cache: not found |
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| 10:06.31 | nkuttler | !tell DavidFromBelgium about pdo |
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| 10:07.47 | greenit | if i install the meta-package "xfce4" from experimental, will it pull all available xfce-meta-related packages from there or do i have to allow them all separately? |
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| 10:09.09 | nkuttler | greenit: it depends. you probably want --simulate |
| 10:09.28 | greenit | nkuttler: ok, thanks |
| 10:10.22 | greenit | i just hope it doesn't break my system if install xfce form experimental :=) |
| 10:10.24 | greenit | :) |
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| 10:12.11 | greenit | !tell pdo |
| 10:12.25 | nkuttler | greenit: if you have to worry about that you shouldn't use experimental |
| 10:12.39 | nkuttler | it *will* break your system sooner or later |
| 10:13.07 | DavidFromBelgium | ok, !tell doesn't work, what is you told me about pdo ? |
| 10:13.15 | DavidFromBelgium | *if |
| 10:13.21 | nkuttler | DavidFromBelgium: packages.debian.org |
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| 10:13.32 | DavidFromBelgium | ok |
| 10:13.33 | DavidFromBelgium | thanks |
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| 10:13.38 | nkuttler | !tell greenit about selftell |
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| 10:14.11 | greenit | nkuttler: ah, thanks^^ |
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| 10:15.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is a good sequencer app? |
| 10:16.32 | DavidFromBelgium | sorry if I'm being lame, but how do I know what packages are included in the laptop selection when browsing https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ ? |
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| 10:17.08 | nkuttler | DavidFromBelgium: use the url i gave you and search for the package. or just access packages.debian.org/<pkg> |
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| 10:17.42 | nkuttler | DavidFromBelgium: that will show you description + dependencies |
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| 10:26.16 | DavidFromBelgium | ok, got it. The package I was looking for is task-laptop as you wrote earlier, thank you |
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| 10:43.37 | atgnag | Anyone else believe the pa module module-role-cork should be disable by default? |
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| 11:02.02 | dmilith | hi |
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| 11:02.10 | dmilith | i'm trying to remove a package from apt |
| 11:02.17 | dmilith | and it's running kernel package |
| 11:02.25 | dmilith | I really know what am I doing |
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| 11:02.43 | dmilith | and i'd like to remove that package WITHOUT a "anti idiot" prompt |
| 11:02.44 | nkuttler | good for you |
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| 11:02.52 | dmilith | to remove it non interactivelyt |
| 11:02.57 | nkuttler | !tell dmilith about errors |
| 11:03.12 | dmilith | is there any way of removing package by force |
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| 11:03.18 | dmilith | to skip that questions |
| 11:03.30 | dmilith | i did try TERM= echo "No" | dpkg -... |
| 11:03.36 | dmilith | and similar tricks |
| 11:03.46 | dmilith | i tried through apt-get, aptitude, dpkg |
| 11:03.55 | dmilith | and i'm currently on removing files manually |
| 11:04.14 | dmilith | maybe there're some hidden debian-gosu method of doing that? |
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| 11:05.22 | dmilith | nkuttler: i really don't need information about errors |
| 11:05.29 | dmilith | i need a override |
| 11:05.37 | nkuttler | you should just read what the bot told you |
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| 11:06.05 | dmilith | you have problems with understanding or what? |
| 11:06.14 | dmilith | maybe my english isn't very good |
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| 11:06.22 | dmilith | but i tried to be very clear |
| 11:06.29 | nkuttler | you weren't |
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| 11:07.09 | dmilith | i wan to remove a package without ANY interactive questions |
| 11:07.17 | dmilith | it's kernel package case |
| 11:07.22 | dmilith | and it's running kernel |
| 11:07.48 | dmilith | so the question is - is there a way of forcing dpkg -P/ apt-get remove --purge / ... to be NON interactive |
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| 11:08.54 | dmilith | no matter what I'm trying to remove |
| 11:08.59 | dmilith | I know what I'm doing |
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| 11:09.28 | nkuttler | you can with dpkg. see man dpkg |
| 11:09.36 | dmilith | i tried |
| 11:09.48 | dmilith | --force-all / -P and any combination |
| 11:10.03 | dmilith | dpkg --purge --force-all |
| 11:10.03 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up --force-all all over dmilith and Savemech... |
| 11:10.22 | dmilith | i'm debian veteran, really |
| 11:10.25 | dmilith | i'm using debian since woody |
| 11:10.43 | dmilith | so just please answer if I must hack /var/lib/dpkg files manually |
| 11:10.46 | dmilith | or there's a way or not |
| 11:11.10 | dmilith | i wouldn't waste Your time if I didn't try all standard possibilities |
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| 11:11.33 | nkuttler | you didn't even to bother to tell us which prompt you get |
| 11:12.30 | dmilith | I did. It asks me for confirmation that I want to install already installed kernel (case 1) |
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| 11:12.45 | dmilith | and confirmation if I want to remove currently running kenrel |
| 11:12.57 | dmilith | rest of these can be overriden |
| 11:13.01 | nkuttler | that sounds like debconf. configure the debconf priority |
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| 11:13.11 | dmilith | that might be a clue. |
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| 11:27.03 | atgnag | Why is it that despite i2p being popular with Russians, we never see them here AFAIK. |
| 11:28.22 | phix | what's a i2p? |
| 11:29.10 | atgnag | Oh sorry, wrong channel. |
| 11:29.39 | phix | atgnag: I thought Russians were too busy lining up for beets :) |
| 11:30.15 | phix | Then again I have only seen Russians through the TV screen |
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| 11:31.03 | atgnag | i2p stands for ivisible internet project, if you must know. |
| 11:31.08 | atgnag | It's part of the danknet. |
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| 11:31.45 | mi11k1 | hey, im using jessie, i always need to restart bluetooth before i can open blueman applet |
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| 11:32.26 | vitzli | добÑÑй Ð´ÐµÐ½Ñ |
| 11:33.03 | atgnag | Also, if you've seen Russians on i2p, you know they really love their CP. |
| 11:33.20 | vitzli | >.> |
| 11:33.53 | vitzli | russian segment of i2p is pretty much dead |
| 11:34.09 | atgnag | vitzli: You don't know about hiddenchan then. |
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| 11:35.35 | atgnag | Also, netdb still clearly shows there are many more Russians than westerners, so I don't have any idea what else they're doing, because language. |
| 11:35.42 | vitzli | no, never managed to get there, i2p was too laggy, somehow opened rus.i2p and torrent-like tracker, but that's all |
| 11:35.55 | vitzli | is there i2p-related channel? |
| 11:36.17 | atgnag | #i2p-RU |
| 11:36.45 | atgnag | That's what it is on irc2p, but I assume there's a corresponding channel on freenode with a relaybot. |
| 11:37.23 | atgnag | Nope, nevermind. It's only on irc2p it seems. |
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| 11:41.55 | phix | atgnag: what is that? |
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| 11:43.05 | vitzli | IRC in i2p, I guess |
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| 11:44.44 | phix | no what is i2p |
| 11:45.31 | vitzli | Invisible Internet Project (IIP, I2P) - distributed, decentralized, encrypted, anonymous network |
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| 11:46.49 | vitzli | https://geti2p.net/en/ , has debian packages for wheezy and jessie on i386 and amd64, unsure about ARM platform |
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| 11:47.57 | atgnag | Well⦠it's java, so making a package shouldn't be difficult. |
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| 11:48.47 | phix | vitzli: oh, do you need bitcoins? |
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| 11:48.53 | vitzli | it mostly works, but it has no packages |
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| 11:49.39 | phix | vitzli: so I2P is used by drug, weapon and human dealers? |
| 11:50.04 | vitzli | unfortunately, no |
| 11:50.07 | phix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.11 | vitzli | it's mostly dead |
| 11:50.16 | phix | oh |
| 11:50.40 | vitzli | that's Tor for |
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| 11:53.55 | atgnag | vitzli: No it isn't. |
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| 11:57.58 | Azrael_- | how do i make debian reload the network config from /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 11:58.09 | Azrael_- | btw: hi |
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| 12:00.04 | shingouz | Azrael_-: with ifup |
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| 12:04.20 | tytan | Does debian work with a new amd athlon (kabini)? |
| 12:04.51 | grammoboy | how can I capture a video on linux, displaying it live without storing the video? |
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| 12:06.01 | mi11k1 | grammoboy, from webcam? |
| 12:06.07 | mi11k1 | vlc does all that |
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| 12:06.23 | grammoboy | mi11k1, no on a raspberry pi |
| 12:06.33 | mi11k1 | try mjpg_streamer |
| 12:06.56 | mi11k1 | its not in repo, you need to compile it |
| 12:07.26 | grammoboy | I don't have to stream it to a website, it's just on the connected TV screen |
| 12:07.39 | mi11k1 | oh |
| 12:07.52 | mi11k1 | just install a lightweight x |
| 12:08.05 | mi11k1 | what do you use for a desktop now? |
| 12:08.22 | mi11k1 | or is it just headless |
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| 12:08.35 | grammoboy | it's about the video size... I don't want to store the things I record |
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| 12:10.08 | grammoboy | 'save' the file in /dev/null or /tmp? |
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| 12:11.21 | mi11k1 | if you just want to display video from the pi to tv, install openbox or something and run vlc |
| 12:11.39 | blackflow | Guys, question. If Jessie is installed on a production server today (with all the caveats considered), once Jessie is released officially, this server can just be (dist-)upgraded in place, right? |
| 12:11.48 | vitzli | grammoboy, guvcview does what you want, iirc |
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| 12:12.05 | grammoboy | I want to display the recording live |
| 12:12.16 | Majikthise | blackflow: yep |
| 12:13.03 | blackflow | Majikthise: thanks. |
| 12:14.43 | mi11k1 | vitzli, nice thanks |
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| 12:15.34 | themill | blackflow: if you're keeping on top of updates (as you should) there won't even be anything to do on release day |
| 12:15.35 | vitzli | grammoboy, and maybe qv4l2 - I don't remember how it works though, guvcview allows to capture images and record video, but it can just show it |
| 12:15.40 | vitzli | mi11k1, np |
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| 12:26.43 | mjkr | can i assume /sys and /proc and /dev and /tmp are mounted when the system starts up (so that i can write services depending on them)? |
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| 12:28.13 | wald0 | how i can read the debian installer source-code to see how it does to create the LVM+LUKS partitioning? |
| 12:28.23 | wald0 | which is the source package that i need to download? |
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| 12:30.41 | blackflow | themill: that's even better, thanks. |
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| 12:34.28 | jonkri | Hi! How long does it usually take before a GNOME release is available in Debian Unstable? (I'm curious about 3.16 in particular.) |
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| 12:36.28 | grammoboy | mi11k1, I think this is what I search for: raspivid -o - -t 0 -w 800 -h 400 -fps 24 |
| 12:37.00 | themill | jonkri: certainly not until after jessie is released |
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| 12:39.34 | mi11k1 | grammoboy, look into what vitzli mentioned |
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| 12:40.21 | grammoboy | mi11k1, so far so good, got it working with raspivid |
| 12:40.55 | mi11k1 | grammoboy, i have a tft i wanna use for rpi |
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| 12:43.28 | grammoboy | mi11k1, using an old tv here |
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| 12:44.41 | mi11k1 | grammoboy, pm me if u want, these guys get pissed easiliy |
| 12:45.26 | grammoboy | mi11k1, these guys? |
| 12:45.45 | mi11k1 | grammoboy, offtopic |
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| 12:45.59 | grammoboy | mi11k1, I see |
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| 12:49.12 | Alex993cc1 | hi all |
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| 12:50.49 | Alex993cc1 | im having a couple of issues with my HP DL380 if anyone can help ? had a bit of a dig on google but i dont think im asking the right questions. |
| 12:51.30 | Alex993cc1 | debian is only detecting 1 of the two CPUS, and i cant seem to find the tape changer device, but the tape drive itself appears |
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| 12:52.19 | phix | Alex993cc1: Your first issue was buying a HP |
| 12:52.27 | Alex993cc1 | :P |
| 12:52.38 | Alex993cc1 | it was free, i cant complain at the price |
| 12:53.09 | ChrisH | Alex993cc1: do you have lshw installed? If yes run lshw -short (as root) and show the outpout on paste.debian.net |
| 12:53.25 | ChrisH | lscpu might be added to that paste |
| 12:53.29 | phix | Even though, personally, I would spend money on something else than accepting a free HP, or anything Apple for that matter. |
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| 12:56.09 | Alex993cc1 | chrisH, thanks http://paste.debian.net/163503/ |
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| 12:57.49 | Alex993cc1 | shit, i wonder if im a dumb bastard and should check that it actually has 2 physical CPUs installed |
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| 12:58.13 | ChrisH | Alex993cc1: at least that looks OK. Are you sure there is really a sec.. check it :) |
| 12:58.52 | Alex993cc1 | any idea on the tape device? i have googled and saw something about scanning all luns? |
| 12:59.04 | Alex993cc1 | i can access the actual tape drive itself, but not the changer hardware |
| 12:59.15 | ChrisH | Alex993cc1: how/where is the changer connected? |
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| 12:59.53 | Alex993cc1 | via the VHDCI port, along with the hardware raid (which is mounted as /home) |
| 13:00.42 | ChrisH | that's SCSI isn't it? cat /proc/scsi/sci |
| 13:00.47 | ChrisH | that's SCSI isn't it? cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 13:00.50 | tdn | I just got some kernel traces in dmesg with the warning: "rcu_preempt detected stall on CPU" (full trace here: http://paste.yt/p3310.html ) I have googled this and found this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/RCU/stallwarn.txt I have read it all, but I am not sure what to make of it. Is this something that is safe to ignore? Or should I be worried that my hw is failing? Or if someone is exploiting some vulnerability in the kernel? |
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| 13:01.04 | Alex993cc1 | the tape drive itself is functioning, but the autoloader does not appear on the scsi bus |
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| 13:01.14 | Alex993cc1 | cat /proc/scsi/scsi no such file or directory |
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| 13:01.25 | wald0 | im reading for unnatended-upgrades, but i wonder... |
| 13:01.38 | wald0 | what happens if i shutdown while the packages are upgrading? |
| 13:01.51 | wald0 | is there any inhibitor for shutdown process? |
| 13:02.08 | ChrisH | Alex993cc1: sounds a bit like an incorrect module attached top the tape drive and block the changer. check dmesg |
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| 13:02.56 | Alex993cc1 | [ 0.013135] weird, boot CPU (#0) not listed by the BIOS. |
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| 13:02.57 | Alex993cc1 | O.o |
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| 13:03.18 | ChrisH | Alex993cc1: checked https://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins ? |
| 13:03.45 | Alex993cc1 | all the HDDs are working fine |
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| 13:04.02 | phix | Alex993cc1: that's great news |
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| 13:04.16 | Alex993cc1 | both the raids on smart array and the external hardware raid |
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| 13:05.16 | ChrisH | Alex993cc1: hdd != Tape != Picker. On HPUX you mosttimes needed to manually create the devicefile for the picker |
| 13:05.38 | Alex993cc1 | the "picker" isnt even appearing in dmesg |
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| 13:06.25 | SergioAD | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.49 | phix | SergioAD: oh hai there bud |
| 13:07.37 | SergioAD | I have a Dell inspiron 1420 PC with a Intel GM965 Express Chipset Family, v.6.14.10.4926, A06 video card, wich drivers I should install on my PC? |
| 13:08.15 | phix | SergioAD: DELL :/ |
| 13:08.21 | SergioAD | yes |
| 13:08.49 | SergioAD | also I noted a download of the driver of this video card nVidia GeForce 8400M, GeForce 8600M, GeForce 8400M GS, v.156.83_xp WHQL, A06 |
| 13:09.30 | SergioAD | I want get them all because Firefox is currently having issues with my graphics |
| 13:09.55 | SergioAD | Steam too |
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| 13:12.00 | phix | SergioAD: you installed the nvidia glx drivers? |
| 13:12.15 | SergioAD | nope |
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| 13:12.44 | SergioAD | I have installed the vdpau ones because Firefox allerts me that there are needed |
| 13:14.20 | SergioAD | I had never needed to install a Nvidia kernel |
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| 13:15.51 | phix | SergioAD: fail |
| 13:16.59 | SergioAD | why? |
| 13:17.26 | phix | cause you haven't installed the glx drivers |
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| 13:18.00 | SergioAD | I see |
| 13:18.20 | SergioAD | so I need to install them? |
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| 13:18.36 | SergioAD | the Nvidia kernel is installed as another kernel? |
| 13:18.40 | phix | If you want 3D acceleration |
| 13:18.50 | phix | it is a kernel module |
| 13:18.58 | SergioAD | OHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 13:19.01 | SergioAD | I see |
| 13:19.14 | SergioAD | it is not another kernel, it is a module :) |
| 13:19.21 | phix | yup |
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| 13:19.25 | phix | a driver |
| 13:19.48 | SergioAD | I see :) |
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| 13:20.35 | SergioAD | it uses the propietary driver or the free one? |
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| 13:23.35 | SergioAD | I need to reboot :) |
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| 13:26.36 | Azrael_- | shingouz: ok |
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| 13:32.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps who is familar with iotop? |
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| 13:33.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am trying to do some copies of some large files |
| 13:33.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i see under IO> 98.9 or 99.9 for my three copy commands |
| 13:33.35 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: iotop is not suitable for coping files ;) |
| 13:33.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | but i dont see anything under diskread |
| 13:33.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol i am watching the copies |
| 13:33.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | or disk write |
| 13:34.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | i hit the 'o' key and the stay up all the time, |
| 13:34.13 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: Can you pause the screen, and put it on paste.debian.net? |
| 13:34.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 13:36.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | 2ttp://paste.debian.net/163511/ |
| 13:36.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://paste.debian.net/163511/ |
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| 13:37.44 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: what is mounted beore /media/tv and /media/files_misc ? |
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| 13:38.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | in fstab? |
| 13:38.23 | ChrisH | in reality |
| 13:38.37 | ChrisH | s/beore/below |
| 13:38.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | in like directory structure? |
| 13:39.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | nothing |
| 13:39.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ./media is root |
| 13:39.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | this is a Vm though |
| 13:39.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | and those are CIFS FS |
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| 13:40.33 | ChrisH | compare with the atop output |
| 13:40.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | i can do that |
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| 13:42.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | maybe it is CIFS i will try with acctualy FS |
| 13:43.54 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: Maybe those values don't work with cifs? Would be good to report. |
| 13:43.57 | dupondje | Anyone every worked with targetcli ? |
| 13:44.00 | L0aD1nG | does anyone know for what exactly pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin files are used for in /var/cache/apt/ folder? |
| 13:44.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 13:44.20 | petn-randall | !tell dupondje -about anyone |
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| 13:45.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | cifs is the cculprit, |
| 13:45.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | wtf |
| 13:45.34 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: atop not top |
| 13:45.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont got atop |
| 13:45.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | got to install one sec |
| 13:45.59 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: apt-get install atop |
| 13:46.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | WOT |
| 13:46.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | WOOt |
| 13:46.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | that is big |
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| 13:47.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | going to try another cp |
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| 13:48.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | what am i looking for |
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| 13:50.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont see the cp command its like it just sits out thee at 0 cpu 0 mem |
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| 13:53.01 | L0aD1nG | anyone knows the usage of pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin files? |
| 13:55.07 | dupondje | bleh |
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| 13:58.04 | roger21 | hello |
| 13:58.47 | abrotman | Greetings |
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| 13:59.18 | roger21 | how do i test on the error code of a command on a command line like "if [ "$?" != "0" ] ; then ... |
| 13:59.31 | roger21 | but with the actual command instead of the $? |
| 13:59.54 | SPF | some entries in rsyslog.conf have a dash in front of the log file (for example -/var/log/mail.info). What is the purpose of this character? |
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| 14:00.08 | jolt | roger21: $? is the actual command output. 0 if successful, something else if not |
| 14:00.25 | roger21 | jolt, yes i know |
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| 14:00.48 | roger21 | i want to directly integrate the command in the if or similar |
| 14:01.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh wow, that atop is something, hot even, damn why dont i know about this command? |
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| 14:02.08 | Stummi | roger21, if yourcommand; .... |
| 14:02.16 | Stummi | no need to handle with $? |
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| 14:02.29 | roger21 | oh |
| 14:02.33 | Stummi | or if ! yourcommand; to check for errors |
| 14:02.42 | roger21 | seems convenient enough ... |
| 14:02.46 | Stummi | yep |
| 14:02.50 | roger21 | i'll try that |
| 14:03.00 | Stummi | [ is just a command itself, evaluating the expression and exiting with 0 or 1 |
| 14:04.50 | roger21 | thanks Stummi, |
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| 14:05.15 | Stummi | np |
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| 14:05.56 | atgnag | Does jackd2 not have dbus support? |
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| 14:12.10 | tsenko | greetings fine people |
| 14:12.35 | tsenko | ..is it normal that i don't have /usr/sbin/locale-gen on wheezy |
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| 14:16.55 | jelly | tsenko: yes |
| 14:17.23 | tsenko | jelly: so how do i go about adding locales |
| 14:17.59 | jelly | tsenko: install the locales package. |
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| 14:18.21 | tsenko | installs the locale package |
| 14:18.28 | tsenko | thank you jelly |
| 14:18.38 | jelly | dpkg, tell tsenko about locales |
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| 14:23.20 | jawr | hey, can anyone offer any tips on how to unman install mysql? |
| 14:23.29 | jawr | apt-get install mysql-server requires user input for the password |
| 14:23.49 | abrotman | unman? |
| 14:24.05 | jawr | to be installed via docker |
| 14:24.12 | jawr | unmanned |
| 14:24.19 | jawr | without human interaction |
| 14:24.27 | abrotman | less enter key please |
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| 14:24.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jawr about debconf-set-selections |
| 14:24.53 | jawr | thanks |
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| 14:25.25 | jawr | ah that is awesome |
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| 14:30.56 | linuxthefish | hi, why does dpkg -i for the Skype Debian 7 .deb file give the error "package architecture does not match system" when the download is called multi arch? |
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| 14:31.27 | abrotman | linuxthefish: because it's probably meant for i386, and you have amd64, right ? |
| 14:31.39 | linuxthefish | yeah |
| 14:31.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tel linuxthefish about skype |
| 14:31.56 | dpkg | i don't know, abrotman |
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| 14:32.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linuxthefish about skype |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | linuxthefish: read the wiki page |
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| 14:32.36 | linuxthefish | ah cool, don't see how i missed that but thanks! |
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| 14:34.17 | linuxthefish | omg apt-get -f install removed openssh-server and a ton of other stuff |
| 14:34.18 | linuxthefish | argh |
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| 14:37.14 | atgnag | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:37.16 | atgnag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.27 | atgnag | Umm⦠is there a way I can override apts version checking? |
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| 14:41.06 | sydney_untangle | atgnag: Not without a HUGE mess |
| 14:41.15 | sydney_untangle | I don't know how to do it myself. |
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| 14:45.52 | linuxthefish | how do i stop apt-get trying to uninstall stuff i need? |
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| 14:46.16 | linuxthefish | now every time i try to install or remove something via apt-get it tries to delete stuff i need saying it's "un-needed" |
| 14:46.19 | linuxthefish | like http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=T5eqQ2Df |
| 14:47.48 | jelly | linuxthefish: apt-mark manual stuff-you-need |
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| 14:48.30 | linuxthefish | "openssh-server was already set to manually installed." but it still tries to remove |
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| 14:51.01 | jelly | linuxthefish: show the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 openssh-server" |
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| 14:51.57 | linuxthefish | jelly http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HGSELa3B |
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| 14:52.45 | jelly | linuxthefish: you're missing security.debian.org repo |
| 14:52.51 | jelly | !wheezy sources.list |
| 14:52.51 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:52.54 | linuxthefish | o |
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| 14:54.21 | jelly | linuxthefish: also apt thinks you have some pinning in place (in /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d/*) but I'm not sure whether that is accurate |
| 14:55.21 | linuxthefish | ah it looks like my server provider gave my the wrong sources list, thanks! |
| 14:55.29 | linuxthefish | all solved now |
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| 14:56.49 | jelly | linuxthefish: you can keep using their own main mirror if you want, just make sure to add security.d.o as well |
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| 15:01.52 | dmilith | what a hell |
| 15:01.53 | dmilith | so. |
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| 15:02.11 | dmilith | sed -i 's#Value: Dialog#Value: Noninteractive#' /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 15:02.11 | dmilith | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.23 | dmilith | yes, you can suppress interactivity |
| 15:02.36 | dmilith | but you can't specify "NO" as a default option |
| 15:02.44 | dmilith | and that suppression isn't working |
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| 15:02.53 | dmilith | if you're trying to remove currently running kernel |
| 15:03.18 | dmilith | No matter what I use instead of that "Dialog" it still uses dialog, and asks interactively |
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| 15:06.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm making a package that installs libfoo.so; should it be installed in /usr/lib/ or /usr/local/lib/ ? |
| 15:07.39 | avenin | it seems the links to Jessie RC2 from https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ are dead, and have been for an hour or so. work in progress, i assume? |
| 15:08.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell NoImNotNineVolt about mentors |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | avenin: get the daily? |
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| 15:09.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm in mentors, but this seems like more of a general debian question. where should shared libs go? what's the different between /usr/lib/ and /usr/local/lib/ ? |
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| 15:10.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, Jan is already listed as the maintainer for this package. it's already in testing. |
| 15:10.16 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: either location is acceptable .. usage of /usr/local/ has different connotations .. |
| 15:11.08 | avenin | abrotman: those should be the same? i mean, it's not like the RC2-branch forked from a master some time ago? |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | avenin: they might be, but depends on when RC2 came out |
| 15:11.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/x104.html |
| 15:11.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | ooh, nice doc :) |
| 15:11.37 | abrotman | that's for Java .. |
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| 15:11.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | indeed, it's a native lib that java talks to via jni. |
| 15:12.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | i suppose i should've mentioned that. either way, sweet :) |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | there's also #debian-java |
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| 15:12.12 | avenin | abrotman: yeah, today, that's why i think it's work in progress. probably the announcement was made and the webpage updated before the upload of the images |
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| 15:12.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | thank you. |
| 15:12.30 | abrotman | avenin: it's possible .. so if you really want RC2, wait .. otherwise, get the daily |
| 15:12.47 | avenin | abrotman: i've just been waiting for an hour now, so just thought i'd ask if this is normal. |
| 15:12.58 | avenin | abrotman: ok |
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| 15:16.32 | tuxcrafter | does someone now how to sent a ctrl-alt-del over screen |
| 15:16.48 | tuxcrafter | ctrl a then b b is a sysrq reboot |
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| 15:17.27 | abrotman | avenin: yeah, could be a few hours |
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| 15:18.19 | Keridos | Help, i cannot start radicale in systemd and my journalctl show this: Cannot add dependency job for unit dracut-shutdown.service! How can i fix that? |
| 15:18.23 | avenin | abrotman: ok, thanks for the info! i'll try the daily then |
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| 15:19.14 | mc0e | There's a bug in gzip on wheezy(relates to --rsyncable - presumably minor to most people but important in my situation, where it's costing me a lot of backup space). I want to use the version from jessie. gzip isn't in wheezy-backports, and the jessie package depends on a later libc6 than wheezy has. Also this is in a puppet managed system where I want to keep things pretty clean. What's my best way forward? |
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| 15:21.39 | jordanm | !tell mc0e about ssb |
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| 15:22.37 | jordanm | mc0e: create your own backport, put it in a private repo or distribute it via the puppet file server |
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| 15:23.25 | mc0e | jordanm: so I just take the src package from jessie and build it on wheezy, or is it likely to be more complex than that? |
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| 15:23.48 | jordanm | mc0e: that should be it for something simple like gzip |
| 15:24.03 | jordanm | mc0e: you probably want to add a custom version number to it though |
| 15:24.18 | mc0e | jordanm: ok, I'll give it a whirl. thanks. |
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| 15:25.59 | mc0e | jordanm: is this sort of thing worth putting forward for addition to the main wheezy backports repository? |
| 15:28.02 | jordanm | mc0e: perhaps, it depends on how many people actually need it |
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| 15:31.02 | Juslintek | Hi how is that thing called where you swtich between windows in ssh? |
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| 15:31.33 | abrotman | Juslintek: screen or tmux |
| 15:31.37 | Juslintek | you establish session or something and then you can leave it running when you come back from ssh you can return to it |
| 15:31.40 | Juslintek | oh screen |
| 15:31.46 | Juslintek | its the screen :-D |
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| 15:34.39 | Keridos | this dracut-shutdown service bug is driving me crazy |
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| 15:37.28 | Juslintek | abrotman, can see in help how to swtich between screen, do you know? |
| 15:37.34 | Juslintek | can't* |
| 15:37.35 | jhutchins | Juslintek: also tmux |
| 15:37.48 | abrotman | jhutchins: I said that |
| 15:37.53 | abrotman | too bad you don't read anything |
| 15:38.03 | jhutchins | Juslintek: http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | Juslintek: ctrl-a,n or ctrl-a,p |
| 15:38.21 | Juslintek | abrotman in screen --help there is not such info ;-) |
| 15:38.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | man screen |
| 15:38.55 | abrotman | probably 'info screen' is better |
| 15:38.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | Ctrl-a, ? |
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| 16:05.54 | nullbyte_ | i have removed libdrm-nouveau2 and manager removes all other linked packages how can i restore all of everything that |
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| 16:07.39 | somiaj | nullbyte_: what do you mean by liniked packages? |
| 16:08.03 | nullbyte_ | i mean apt manager removes auto-removes some other pkgs |
| 16:08.19 | nullbyte_ | with libdrm-noveuau2 general package |
| 16:08.21 | somiaj | nullbyte_: did you use aptitude or run apt-get autoremove? |
| 16:08.26 | nullbyte_ | apt-get |
| 16:08.43 | somiaj | nullbyte_: did you actually run apt-get autoremove, and want back some of the packages you autoremoved? |
| 16:09.09 | somiaj | apt and dpkg keep logs, you can go get a list of the packages that were autoremoved and reinstall them, or better yet just install the ones you want/need. |
| 16:09.40 | nullbyte_ | where are that logs |
| 16:09.41 | nullbyte_ | for apt |
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| 16:09.59 | somiaj | somewhere in /var/log |
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| 16:10.27 | somiaj | nullbyte_: where all logs are located, but look at /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 16:10.41 | somiaj | nullbyte_: there is also /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 16:12.49 | Miesco | A website says I need flash 10. What shall I do? |
| 16:12.49 | nullbyte_ | yes they are there somiaj |
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| 16:13.58 | nullbyte_ | somiaj: i mean i have runned apt-get remove libdrm-nouveau2 and apt remove all another packages that they are required for libdrm-nouveau2 (totem, curl, mesa-dri, etc.) but how can i select it all paste it and install it again becouse custom copy paste form history.log by apt is sadly |
| 16:14.33 | MrDetonia | Miesco, use another site :P Alternatively, take a look at pipelight; it provides flash, unity and other web players for linux |
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| 16:19.11 | somiaj | nullbyte_: did you actually ever run apt-get autoremove? |
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| 16:19.47 | nullbyte_ | yes |
| 16:20.23 | somiaj | nullbyte_: apt doesn't have any 'undo' option, you'll just have to copy/paste the list of packages from the logs into an 'apt-get install' line |
| 16:20.34 | nullbyte_ | omg |
| 16:20.37 | nullbyte_ | ok |
| 16:20.48 | nullbyte_ | thank you somiaj |
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| 16:22.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Miesco about adobe flash |
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| 16:32.33 | rgr | gah. I changed the boot device order and now Ive switched back grub has vanished! |
| 16:33.24 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 16:33.24 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:33.57 | somiaj | rgr: are you sure you are telling your machien to boot off the right device. Unless you actually did something to the mbr, siwtching the boot order shouldn't make grub disapaer. Just change your boot device back. |
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| 16:34.10 | rgr | I know. hence the "gah". It must be a blip. |
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| 16:34.25 | rgr | I have only the one ssd in the laptop. |
| 16:34.38 | rgr | Ill reinstall grub from sysrescue and see what happens. |
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| 16:35.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | is 'control' the only file that's required in control.tar.gz in a .deb? |
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| 16:35.26 | mi11k1 | rgr, recutux? |
| 16:35.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | well, and md5sums |
| 16:36.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | ooh, not mandatory either. nice :) |
| 16:37.02 | mi11k1 | NoImNotNineVolt, are you repacking? |
| 16:37.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | no, just tinkering. trying to build a package by hand. |
| 16:38.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | [after all the tools have failed me] |
| 16:38.15 | mi11k1 | NoImNotNineVolt, its fun when it works |
| 16:38.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | this is a bit of a hail mary for me :P |
| 16:38.32 | mi11k1 | what package? |
| 16:38.38 | somiaj | NoImNotNineVolt: check the debian new matianers guide for policy. #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net can also be useful. |
| 16:38.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | internal. |
| 16:38.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | i appreciate the help, and i've been working with #debian-mentors and #debian-java extensively. |
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| 16:39.31 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: then yes, control is the only thing that absolutely has to be in DEBIAN/ |
| 16:39.50 | mi11k1 | Im using Jessie, I need to restart bluetooth service in order for the bluman-applet to open, what do I do? |
| 16:40.37 | pipl | mi11k1: google debian wiki, there says bluetoothd. |
| 16:40.49 | pipl | mi11k1: IIRC |
| 16:40.51 | mi11k1 | bluetoothd? |
| 16:40.58 | mi11k1 | ok |
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| 16:41.21 | pipl | mi11k1: please read debian wiki. |
| 16:42.11 | mi11k1 | thats usually what i do first, yah |
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| 16:42.53 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: but internal and building from source, or internal and building from already existing binary bits? |
| 16:43.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's a java jar! :P |
| 16:43.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | it'a mavenized java project that builds into jars-with-dependencies |
| 16:43.22 | jelly | why are you bothering with a package |
| 16:43.26 | jelly | hides |
| 16:43.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | i know, seems idiotic, right? :P |
| 16:43.51 | jelly | ain't nobody got time fo' that |
| 16:43.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | ease of deployment. debconf. maybe other reasons i can't think of. |
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| 16:45.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh, systemd debhelper |
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| 16:46.25 | jelly | yeah. In a couple years I might replace our manual daemontools service definitions with systemd |
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| 16:54.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 16:54.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to know how to read whats in my mmeory |
| 16:54.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | memory |
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| 16:56.18 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: um, what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 16:56.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | my mem is at 12mb free and all i see is rundeck at 20% |
| 16:56.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'll pb |
| 16:56.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh, ha. |
| 16:57.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | i was about to start explaining how protected mode was introduced in 80386. |
| 16:57.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastie.org/10057893 |
| 16:57.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | that help? |
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| 16:58.07 | valdyn | nice broken linewraps |
| 16:58.43 | jelly | valdyn: http://pastie.org/pastes/10057893/text |
| 16:58.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | raw helps |
| 16:59.00 | jelly | atop output does not lend itself well to pastebin |
| 16:59.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | so i'd say it looks like you have 20MB total memory? |
| 16:59.27 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: you have a 1GB machine (VPS) with a java process that already tried to allocate 1.4GB |
| 16:59.42 | valdyn | uh |
| 16:59.44 | valdyn | no |
| 16:59.44 | jelly | "buy more ram" |
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| 16:59.53 | pipl | lol java. |
| 16:59.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastie.org/10057902 |
| 17:00.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 17:00.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry wrong box |
| 17:00.10 | valdyn | jelly: you are wrong there, the vsize does not imply it tried to allocate that much |
| 17:00.12 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: also "cache 586.0M" can be reused at any time by any process that needs it |
| 17:00.35 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: its fine, theres no issue |
| 17:00.46 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: you don't want Free Memory |
| 17:00.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | is ok? |
| 17:01.01 | jelly | valdyn: it mmap()d or brk()d or tried to allocate it. Didn't say "tried to use it" |
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| 17:01.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok yeah i see now |
| 17:01.17 | jelly | !free ram |
| 17:01.17 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 17:02.08 | MrDetonia | ^TIL |
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| 17:02.51 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: -/+ buffers/cache: 6823 1155 <- there's 1.1GiB unused RAM on the second system |
| 17:02.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | by that logic, it's great that firefox keeps all visited pages cached in memory for all time :P |
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| 17:03.25 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: firefox works just fine on an 8GB+ machine, so I agree |
| 17:03.40 | pipl | "just fine" 8GB... |
| 17:03.41 | valdyn | i dont think ff even does that |
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| 17:03.53 | mc0e | jelly: only if you close tabs now and then |
| 17:04.12 | jelly | mc0e: I don't flash or video in it, just work |
| 17:04.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | you know, i remember browsing the web when my HARD DRIVE wasn't even 8GB. |
| 17:04.34 | mc0e | jelly: likewise, but I have a bad habit of opening more tabs till I have a problem. |
| 17:05.01 | mc0e | jelly: every few days I have to go through and close a few hundred |
| 17:05.14 | valdyn | NoImNotNineVolt: cant blame the browser for javascript etc. |
| 17:05.35 | mc0e | valdyn: sure. why would it be expected to work in a web that has javascript in it. |
| 17:05.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've seen firefox using 2GB of memory with only a single tab open, displaying about:blank. |
| 17:05.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | there is no excuse for such idiocy. |
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| 17:06.03 | pipl | NoImNotNineVolt: version ? platform ? |
| 17:06.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | pipl: i can reproduce this using any version on any platform. |
| 17:06.24 | valdyn | i cant |
| 17:06.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | browse a lot, open a new tab with about:blank, close all other tabs, done. |
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| 17:10.11 | rgr | whats the best way to copy an iso onto a usb for boot (supergrub in this case) using debian? |
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| 17:10.32 | rgr | oh ignore that |
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| 17:12.53 | sydney_untangle | rgr: dd? |
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| 17:14.06 | jelly | sydney_untangle: cp |
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| 17:27.32 | ohnoeess | hey. id like to inform the channel of the presence of Bremsstrahlung in here. he is a ruthless, megalomaniacal op and founder of ##chat who just recently reacquired ops in ##physics after being gone for a long time. |
| 17:27.43 | ohnoeess | he needs to fuck off and die in a fire |
| 17:27.51 | Bremsstrahlung | !ops ohnoeess |
| 17:27.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bremsstrahlung complains about: ohnoeess |
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| 17:28.42 | jelly | Hello there, ruthless |
| 17:28.49 | Bremsstrahlung | Hai, jelly. :> |
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| 17:31.05 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: /win 17 |
| 17:31.11 | Bremsstrahlung | :) |
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| 17:31.24 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: you know .. if you weren't so megalomanical, that wouldn't have happened |
| 17:31.29 | Bremsstrahlung | lol |
| 17:31.32 | Bremsstrahlung | Hah. |
| 17:31.43 | Intensity | Hi. I'm wondering what the best practices way is to backport the Ubuntu 3.13 kernel to Debian wheezy. Should I use make-kpkg? Run ./debian/rules binary of the unpacked Ubuntu kernel .deb source tree? I'd like to produce the .deb files representing the Ubuntu 3.13 kernel for Debian 7. Any suggestions? |
| 17:31.46 | mc0e | jordanm: I'm running into problems building gzip from either jessie or sid. autoconf is failing to find AC_PROG_SHELL, though it looks to be defined in gzip-1.6/m4/shell.m4. To the extent I ever knew about autoconf and m4, my knowledge is very rusty. |
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| 17:31.56 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
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| 17:31.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 17:32.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Intensity about wheezy backports |
| 17:32.18 | jelly | Intensity: why 3.13 precisely |
| 17:32.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Intensity about bdo kernel |
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| 17:33.43 | Intensity | jelly: Well I'm choosing that because it is supported by Ubuntu for years, with security updates. |
| 17:34.06 | abrotman | Intensity: but you're running Debian? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense |
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| 17:35.16 | Walex | suspect that <Intensity> actually uses Debian but likes an Ubuntu LTS packages |
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| 17:36.09 | jelly | Intensity: debian also supports their own kernels. What are you missing in those? |
| 17:36.40 | Walex | jelly: as he said, Ubuntu LTS kernel supports lasts for much longer than the support period of a Debian release. |
| 17:37.17 | pipl | some hardware vendors really like keeping their driver versions only for old ubuntu releases. |
| 17:37.35 | abrotman | Then why would you choose Debian to begin with? |
| 17:37.41 | Walex | Intensity: that's actually a reasonable idea if you feel like building your own kernel packages. It should be fairly easy. |
| 17:37.53 | abrotman | Walex: Yes, but squeeze-lts is going quite long as well |
| 17:37.56 | Walex | abrotman: that's a good question... |
| 17:38.25 | jelly | Walex: never mind that Debian now has LTS as well, I'm still not sure what good is having a kernel and a known outdated userspace |
| 17:38.33 | Intensity | Walex: Thanks. I personally have some times when I'd use the wheezy-backports kernel, some times when I may prefer to use the 3.2 wheezy kernel, and some times when I'd prefer to use an LTS kernel. |
| 17:38.34 | abrotman | I mean, squeeze kernel will end up being supported for almost 5 years |
| 17:38.44 | Walex | abrotman: sure, but 'squeeze-lts' is a side-project, and there is no guarantee that 'wheezy-lts' will exist or once started will continue to exist. |
| 17:39.04 | abrotman | Walex: Right, but I'd cross that bridge when I get there |
| 17:39.25 | jelly | Walex: I'd rather go full ubuntu if I trusted their LTS more than Debian/ |
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| 17:39.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | fyi, i did it. created deb by hand, it installs just fine, systemd service file and all. |
| 17:39.57 | Intensity | In this case, it seems I have a few options. A ./debian/rules binary might over-build many packages I might need, or might have some Ubuntu-isms that I don't want. At the same time, maybe I might not use make-kpkg in the right way, or it might miss generating a .deb. I understand that one's choice of kernel is a debatable topic, but my question is really build-related. |
| 17:39.58 | mc0e | Trying to build/package a later gzip for wheezy. http://pastie.org/10057971 . Any ideas? AC_PROG_SHELL looks to be defined in gzip-1.6/m4/shell.m4. |
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| 17:40.04 | Walex | abrotman: then there is the point raised by <pipl> which some hw vendors supply out-of-kernel drivers specifically targeted at specific Ubuntu LTS kernels... |
| 17:40.06 | abrotman | Walex: and mixing a kernel from one distro for security, and packages from another .. that seems like a good way to get screwed somehow |
| 17:40.14 | abrotman | Walex: then why choose debian at all? |
| 17:40.17 | abrotman | that's inane |
| 17:40.25 | abrotman | if you rely on those drivers, do the right thing |
| 17:40.44 | abrotman | installing packages from various distros for various things, is going to end up with frankendebian, and something broken |
| 17:40.45 | Walex | abrotman: I guess that <Intensity> has a significant Debian installed base already... |
| 17:41.18 | Walex | abrotman: <Intensity> wants to produce their own package, and 'make-kpkg' is a standard part of Debian for some reason... |
| 17:41.38 | abrotman | hello broken system! |
| 17:41.38 | jelly | note that upsteam source has "make deb-pkg" now |
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| 17:41.55 | Walex | jelly: interesting! |
| 17:42.12 | Walex | IIRC also the Ubuntu and Debian kernel teams work pretty closely together. |
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| 17:44.12 | jelly | Walex: and the 3.16-ckt tree from wheezy-backports is maintained by Canonical Kernel Team, but Intensity for some reasons wants to avoid it |
| 17:44.41 | Arrowmaster | i got somebody to add https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian to the sidebar on /r/debian, i chuckle now that somebody points it out everytime somebody asks about mixing debian and ubuntu packages |
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| 17:45.38 | jelly | Intensity: in fact, Ubuntu's 3.13 and 3.16-ckt seem to have the exact same EOL date https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/ExtendedStable |
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| 17:53.10 | Guest99110 | Hi, I have troubles with my network after a reboot. I believe the root cause is because my ethernet card is then called eth0 and then called eth1 argh. Is there a way to get around this problem? My configuration in /etc/network/interface refers to eth* |
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| 17:53.40 | Guest99110 | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:53.46 | jelly | !70 |
| 17:53.46 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
| 17:54.27 | Guest99110 | thanks! |
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| 17:58.36 | rgr | disaster. first hosed debian install in years. argh. damn efi totally confusing things |
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| 17:59.40 | mc0e | Can someone help me through trying to build a later gzip for wheezy? I've downloaded a source package from sid, but am running into problems with ./configure. http://pastie.org/10057971. autoconf -f also fails with the same message. I'm guessing my build chain is out of whack for what I'm trying to do, but I'm not sure how to fix it? |
| 18:00.04 | rgr | and my laptop is totally refusing to boot from a supergrub usb too. very strange. |
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| 18:02.53 | jelly | mc0e: looks like it might need some newer autotools |
| 18:03.21 | jelly | do we want to ask wtf you need newer gzip for |
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| 18:04.05 | jelly | judd: checkbackport gzip |
| 18:04.07 | judd | Backporting package gzip in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 18:04.45 | BuFF | hey, i'm having an interesting problem - i can't enable terminal/system beep with alsamixer but it seems to work with gnome-alsamixer, so how can it be? :) |
| 18:04.50 | mc0e | the --rsyncable option performs very badly on wheezy. Is fine on squeeze and jessie. It's causing my backup storage to blow out. |
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| 18:05.06 | ener2 | how can i configure dhcpcd to aquite ip at boot? I tried to put in in rc.local but it seems to run too early (even thought it is run last) and wlan0 times out |
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| 18:05.16 | ener2 | if I kill it then manually run it then I get correct IP address |
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| 18:06.44 | mc0e | there is no backport for gzip. I'm not convinced that the build dependencies are there. Doesn't work for me, and there hasn't been a lot of instructions for me to get something wrong on. |
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| 18:08.22 | Guest99110 | Bah, still can't get my network to start :(. 'ifconfig -a' shows eth0 as not RUNNING. What is the proper way to start my network? I tried 'service networking start' and /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 18:08.59 | rgr | Guest99110: do you have network manager running? |
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| 18:09.29 | Guest99110 | rgr: no, that always messes up my network. I want everything to be static :/ |
| 18:10.06 | rgr | pastebin your interfaces file |
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| 18:10.42 | rgr | there's also ifup and ifdown |
| 18:10.49 | mc0e | jelly: judd specified i386. Don't suppose it matters that this is amd64? |
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| 18:11.35 | Guest99110 | I can't pastebin it... I have no network on that PC |
| 18:11.48 | jelly | mc0e: it doesn't, build deps are the same (and you already said that step worked) |
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| 18:12.17 | Guest99110 | I could if I could at least start my network manually... |
| 18:12.28 | Guest99110 | how to get eth0 to be RUNNING? |
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| 18:14.11 | Aleric | Ah, there we go.. 'ifup eth0' did the trick |
| 18:14.12 | mc0e | jelly: it didn't error. Any chance that the list of dependencies is incomplete? I'm running this in and 'official' debian:wheezy docker container, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's a bit more cut down than some other debian environments in various ways. |
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| 18:14.18 | rgr | copy it onto a usb stick then or type it in. |
| 18:14.30 | Guest99110 | rgr: I'll continue as Aleric |
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| 18:15.01 | jelly | mc0e: it might be incomplete or incorrect |
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| 18:15.57 | Aleric | rgr: This is my interfaces file: http://codepad.org/r0zKoGRC |
| 18:16.07 | jelly | mc0e: there is no requirement that source packages have to be tested for backportability. It's not unusual to find missing deps or build deps trying to ssb |
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| 18:16.26 | Aleric | rgr: but it should be ok, cause running 'ifup eth0' just worked. However, service networking start did not. |
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| 18:20.05 | bDreadz | is there anything security wise I should do or upgrade after I do an apt-get install nginx. Is the version it pulls for debian 7 secure? |
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| 18:21.32 | centrx | bDreadz, As long as you have a security line in your sources.list and installed properly |
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| 18:22.14 | bDreadz | centrx: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main correct? |
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| 18:22.41 | centrx | yes |
| 18:22.43 | bDreadz | cen |
| 18:22.48 | bDreadz | centrx excellent. thank you. |
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| 18:41.15 | karlpinc | FWIW, I've had success with newer nginx versions on wheezy. I think I got them straight from nginx. Could be wrong. |
| 18:41.39 | magnulu | can someone explain to me why this crontab time is not working: */10 08-01 * * * |
| 18:42.03 | magnulu | it does not give any syntax errors when reloading the crontab, it simply does not execute the command following it |
| 18:42.32 | magnulu | I want this command to be executed every ten minutes from 8 in the morning, all through the day, until 1 in the night |
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| 18:43.43 | magnulu | fyi it is shaping traffic :) |
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| 18:45.41 | centrx | magnulu, maybe ranges can't wrap around like that |
| 18:45.48 | ener2 | anyone can help? |
| 18:46.24 | centrx | magnulu, try 0-1,8-23 |
| 18:46.42 | centrx | !ask |
| 18:46.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:48.51 | magnulu | centrx: I solved it like that as well - but got noobiously curious |
| 18:48.56 | thephantom | I'm trying to install UEFI Debian using a usb drive. I'm also trying to encrypt the installation and and got to a stage where the encrypted volumes are set up, but when I try to write them to disk, it says, you should go back and setup a /boot partition. Do I need an EFI partition and a /boot partition? |
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| 18:51.42 | valdyn | thephantom: yes |
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| 18:52.14 | magnulu | centrx: maybe it is just too logic.. :) |
| 18:52.21 | thephantom | Valdyn: ah right, that explains it. |
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| 18:54.05 | thephantom | ok, if I have a EFI partition of 550MB which is the only partition I can resize, what would be a good size to make it so can add a /boot partition, and what would be a good size for /boot? |
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| 18:56.46 | valdyn | thephantom: 1G |
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| 18:57.26 | valdyn | thephantom: or thats not actually good, that is probably the minimum I would use |
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| 18:59.36 | thephantom | Looks like I'll have to start over. What would be an ideal size for the EFI partition and /boot partition? it's a 1TB hdd so there is plenty of space |
| 18:59.50 | valdyn | thephantom: theres no ideal size |
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| 19:01.27 | valdyn | thephantom: you can try to minimize /boot (probably as low as 100mb might be ok) |
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| 19:01.32 | topi`_ | advice required on debootstrap... how do I get rid of packages that are dependencies of something I'm including with --include ? I tried to --exclude but no luck. |
| 19:02.00 | valdyn | thephantom: you may want to have a rescue system in /boot, that might grow it to more than 1G |
| 19:02.09 | thephantom | Well, assuming I don't mind wasting a bit of space and would rather have then too big as too small, what would you recommend? (I'm still a noob :p ) |
| 19:02.12 | topi`_ | the package in question is optional and that dependency can also be fulfilled by including an alternate package. (pinentry-curses instead of pinentry-gtk2) |
| 19:02.24 | topi`_ | however, I always get both pinentry-gtk2 and pinentry-curses. sigh. |
| 19:02.34 | valdyn | thephantom: 1G then |
| 19:02.43 | Aleric | I'm getting errors from cron since months now... this is apparently not going to be fixed in debian? The error is: "which: no initctl in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)" |
| 19:02.47 | topi`_ | the problem with pinentry-gtk2 is that it pulls a ton of X11 packages with it, and I'm deploying a headless system |
| 19:02.47 | valdyn | thephantom: thats for /boot. I dont really know anything at all about efi |
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| 19:03.50 | thephantom | Valdyn: ok, thanks for the info |
| 19:04.00 | valdyn | thephantom: and then you can later install grml-rescueboot and put an iso image of grml into /boot/grml/ |
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| 19:04.13 | valdyn | thephantom: in case you might ever need a rescue system |
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| 19:08.40 | thephantom | On one hand that is what I would prefere to do, on the other it's quite a bit of a set back. If I can work of if 550MB is overkill for the EFI partition, I could maybe get away with a 100-200MB /boot, and a 350-450MB EFI partition. |
| 19:09.03 | thephantom | work out if* |
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| 19:21.03 | saptech | hi all |
| 19:21.21 | saptech | is it a good idea to install kde plasma 5 on jessie? |
| 19:21.30 | saptech | I would like to play around with it |
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| 19:23.16 | jhuebner | tell us afterwards |
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| 19:28.37 | acz32 | saptech: try it in a VM if you're unsure |
| 19:29.03 | saptech | good idea |
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| 19:52.28 | topi`_ | what would be the easiest way of modifying the metadata inside a .deb? |
| 19:52.46 | topi`_ | dpkg-deb -x foo.deb to extract it, and then patch metadata, and then repackage as a .deb? |
| 19:53.04 | topi`_ | dpkg-deb -b to build it back |
| 19:53.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh wait what? |
| 19:53.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's a less annoying way to extract and repackage a deb than by using tar and ar? |
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| 19:54.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | because i'm actually in the middle of writing a shell script that does that :P |
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| 20:06.50 | topi`_ | I just need to remove some unwanted dependencies and then put the package to my "modified" repo |
| 20:07.12 | econdudeawesome | I'm having mondo video card issues, and I have no idea where to go from what I've done. Fresh debian install, added the non-free repos to sources. I have to log in with nomodeset as a Grub option to get any graphical interface. Tried updating to nvidia drivers, but fails. What to do!?! |
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| 20:08.44 | econdudeawesome | graphical interface I get is messed up, stuck at max 1260x768, xrandr does not detect any other resolutions. read-edid doesn' |
| 20:08.51 | econdudeawesome | work |
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| 20:10.23 | jhutchins | econdudeawesome: What chipset? |
| 20:11.18 | econdudeawesome | GT 240. Nvidia-detect just told me to try nvidia-glx, which I didnt do before |
| 20:11.25 | econdudeawesome | so I'll try that and check back in :) |
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| 20:13.58 | econdudeawesome | No luck |
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| 20:16.29 | econdudeawesome | no luck whatsover. Sad face :( |
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| 20:23.15 | oxodesign | Hello everyone, I have Virtualmin installed on my server and lately on one of the domains that I have installed Wordpress im getting Internal Server Error (500). The error on the logs is: (110)Connection timed out: mod_fcgid: ap_pass_brigade failed in handle_request_ipc function can someone please help me with this? How can I fix it? |
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| 20:23.42 | oxodesign | Te error is just when I want to log on the admin panel |
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| 20:43.56 | jhutchins | oxodesign: Don't log on to the admin panel. Use the cli. |
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| 20:44.23 | jhutchins | oxodesign: That sounds like an error getting the mysql |
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| 20:47.34 | ElOcho | Can somebody help me with OTR? |
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| 20:48.36 | mtn | !ask |
| 20:48.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:48.43 | ElOcho | The following message received from ******** was not encrypted: [(***** PM) ******: ****@***** has requested an Off-the-Record private conversation <http://otr.cypherpunks.ca/>. However, you do not have a plugin to support that.] |
| 20:49.15 | ElOcho | sorry not used to the proper format just yet |
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| 20:50.17 | ElOcho | I know I have the plugin installed, could it be a problem on his end? |
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| 20:52.05 | mtn | ElOcho: your application doesn't think you have the plugin installed ;) |
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| 20:59.42 | oxodesign | jhutchins: well I have to log to admin panel (wp-admin), its a wordpress |
| 21:03.23 | MrDetonia | Fun Fact: WordPress has the most disgusting code in existence! https://github.com/WordPress/WordPress/blob/master/wp-login.php |
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| 21:03.48 | jhutchins | oxodesign: oh, I thought you meant the web control panel. Diagnosis is the same, db error. |
| 21:04.10 | karlpinc | oxodesign: The wordpress from the debian repos or from the wordpress site? |
| 21:04.29 | oxodesign | wordpress site |
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| 21:05.45 | karlpinc | oxodesign: Might get better help from #wordpress. Although you can ask here too so long as you're running debian. The rest of your wordpress site works and it's just the admin panal that's broken? |
| 21:05.52 | oxodesign | I have other wordpress installation on the same server, but its just this one installation I have problems with. |
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| 21:06.19 | jhutchins | oxodesign: Diagnosis is the same, db error. |
| 21:06.42 | jhutchins | oxodesign: That's the first place to look anyway. |
| 21:06.53 | oxodesign | karlpinc: its not a Wordpress thing, its a configuration thing I think. I moved the files locally and it worked. |
| 21:07.11 | oxodesign | jhutchins: what do you mean a db error? need a little more information? |
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| 21:08.24 | karlpinc | oxodesign: He means wp can't talk to the db. Can you talk to the db from the command line? |
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| 21:09.22 | oxodesign | karlpinc: yes, Also the front-end (the page) its working ok, its just the back-end (wp-admin) thats not working. |
| 21:09.34 | oxodesign | Both are using the same config |
| 21:09.54 | karlpinc | (And, since you're running other wp instances, can you talk to the right db on the right port?) |
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| 21:10.17 | oxodesign | karlpinc: yes! |
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| 21:11.19 | albercuba | hello everyone. i know this could be a stupid question to be asked in the Debian channel but i hope someone will answer without fanatism. Do you recommend to use debian in production servers as a rolling release? |
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| 21:11.44 | karlpinc | albercuba: By "rolling release" you mean what? |
| 21:11.45 | hassoon | What apt-get install does is basically get the whole .deb package of a said wanted piece of software in /var/cache/apt/archives, then install it, right ? |
| 21:12.21 | albercuba | i mean that debian is a rolling release. |
| 21:12.28 | karlpinc | hassoon: Plus dependencies. Plus conflicts. |
| 21:12.29 | albercuba | isnt it? |
| 21:12.38 | karlpinc | albercuba: Debian is not a rolling release. |
| 21:12.41 | Mousey | has been treating debian as a rolling release since the 20th century |
| 21:12.50 | hassoon | karlpinc: so apt-get calls dpkg after all, right ? |
| 21:12.53 | Canar | sid totally isn't a rolling release =3 |
| 21:12.59 | karlpinc | !tell albercuba about stable |
| 21:13.00 | albercuba | a, ok so i misunderstood what i read |
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| 21:13.04 | hassoon | Mousey: cool |
| 21:13.31 | Mousey | i had an apple PPC tower running from 2001 til 2011 with the same install of debian on it, just saw apt-get upgrades of unstable/testing/stable the whole time, kept that thang up to date the whole time |
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| 21:13.38 | Mousey | eschews all other distros that can't do this |
| 21:13.44 | karlpinc | albercuba: Debian changes minimally between major releases. |
| 21:13.57 | Canar | God, I love Debian. |
| 21:14.04 | Mousey | Debian, I love God! |
| 21:14.10 | albercuba | karlpinc, ok then i change my question. Will you recommend to use it in production servers? |
| 21:14.41 | Mousey | *crickets* |
| 21:14.44 | karlpinc | albercuba: Sure. That's what the stable release is for. It does not change so does not introduce new brokenness. |
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| 21:14.58 | albercuba | karlpinc, and what about security updates |
| 21:15.00 | Mousey | has used debian in prod web enviroments for ages |
| 21:15.12 | Mousey | security.debian.org should already be in your sources.list |
| 21:15.15 | karlpinc | albercuba: Did you read the pm the bot sent you? |
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| 21:15.34 | hassoon | Mousey: well, help people with that much of knowledge you've gained, will yah... |
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| 21:15.49 | albercuba | ok i did it now, didnt notice the bot window |
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| 21:16.09 | karlpinc | albercuba: (The bot is hugly useful. You can /msg it.) |
| 21:16.31 | albercuba | karlpinc, ok. Any format to ask something to the bot? |
| 21:17.14 | karlpinc | albercuba: I think starting with "/msg dpkg help" might be good. I forget. In any case, asking here is fine too. |
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| 21:17.21 | jhutchins | oxodesign: You need to track down whatever errors it's throwing, whether DB or PHP or what. |
| 21:17.24 | albercuba | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 21:18.14 | oxodesign | jhutchins: if I just did know how to do that? |
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| 21:18.52 | karlpinc | albercuba: The other thing to know is that debian upgrades from one stable relase to the next. See the release notes. They tell you exactly how. Or, the bot has a 1-liner if you're glassy eyed when presented with lots of text. |
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| 21:19.14 | jhutchins | /var/log/apache2/errors.log is a start. |
| 21:19.14 | karlpinc | albercuba: You don't have to wipe and re-install. |
| 21:19.24 | jhutchins | Sorry, time for me to transit. |
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| 21:22.42 | albercuba | karlpinc, ok, thanks, very helpful i will read more nowa bout the stable release |
| 21:22.45 | karlpinc | oxodesign: You weren't looking in /var/log/? Where did that log message come from? |
| 21:23.24 | karlpinc | albercuba: msg the bot for <overview> and <introduction> |
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| 21:29.21 | oxodesign | karlpinc: from domain/log/error.log |
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| 21:35.00 | zerodrama | hai guys |
| 21:36.27 | zerodrama | i had to do ln -s /usr/lib/policykit-1 /usr/lib/polkit-1 as root to get systemsettings in kde to modify kdm login settings and also save kwallet manager settings |
| 21:36.48 | zerodrama | i don't if it's a text setting or hardcoded in the code |
| 21:37.15 | zerodrama | but kde thinks it's in polkit-1 instead of policykit-1 |
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| 21:38.25 | oxodesign | jhutchins karlpinc this is all I get from the log: "mod_fcgid: read data timeout in 31 seconds" and "(110)Connection timed out: mod_fcgid: ap_pass_brigade failed in handle_request_ipc function, ..." |
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| 21:44.10 | karlpinc | oxodesign: aptitude show libapache2-mod-fcgid Humm. Looks like php is broken... |
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| 21:49.08 | LordDeath | recently there was a blog post which compared the the weeks before previous debian releases and the remaining release blocking bugs |
| 21:49.23 | LordDeath | and jessie was also in that comparison |
| 21:49.39 | LordDeath | but now I can't find that blog post anymore :( |
| 21:50.43 | srg | Lots of issues in jessie? |
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| 21:51.10 | srg | runs jessie ok |
| 21:51.28 | LordDeath | srg: seems so: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 21:51.51 | LordDeath | and unfortunately some important packages have been removed from jessie |
| 21:51.55 | srg | woah 1500 |
| 21:51.56 | LordDeath | like roundcube |
| 21:52.00 | srg | damn |
| 21:52.42 | zerodrama | removed? or moved to stable? |
| 21:52.42 | LordDeath | the green graph is important |
| 21:53.05 | LordDeath | look hwew: https://packages.debian.org/sid/roundcube |
| 21:53.10 | LordDeath | not in jessie anymore |
| 21:53.16 | LordDeath | still in wheezy and sid |
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| 21:54.05 | LordDeath | but even in sid it is outdated |
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| 21:54.16 | srg | well, the debian devs gotta do what they gotta do |
| 21:54.27 | srg | if the bugs aren't fixed, out it goes |
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| 21:56.45 | jhutchins | oxodesign: Might try #wordpress |
| 21:56.58 | jhutchins | oxodesign: Not really a debian problem. |
| 21:57.13 | dondelelcaro | LordDeath: looks like the people working on roundcube could use more help |
| 21:57.19 | jhutchins | oxodesign: Don't mean to be rude, but I don't hae the knowledge. |
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| 22:03.01 | gorteng | Can I forward mails with claws-mail without re-uploading attachments? |
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| 22:07.52 | srg | gorteng: There's an "attachements" tab in the compose mail window. you can check or uncheck the attachment and it will or wont send it |
| 22:09.03 | valdyn | I think hes asking about sending the attachment without downloading it |
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| 22:21.08 | gorteng | srg, valdyn: Yes, what valdyn said, since the attachment is on the mail server already... |
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| 22:22.41 | DJJeff | where can I download a premade mipsel port of debian |
| 22:22.46 | DJJeff | to run in qemu |
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| 22:23.16 | DJJeff | I am reading https://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ |
| 22:23.24 | DJJeff | I need a mips malta image |
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| 22:23.53 | DJJeff | I will throw someone $20 via paypal if they find me a legit image |
| 22:24.11 | DJJeff | I dont care if its be or le |
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| 22:25.12 | DJJeff | I will throw in $40 on top of that if you can help me get networking working so I can access the internet from inside qemu |
| 22:25.13 | gorteng | DJJeff: Do you throw me 50$ without me providing you a legit image? |
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| 22:25.59 | notmarc | hm |
| 22:26.07 | DJJeff | I have a mipsel copy of openwrt but it *cough* *cough* kernel panics |
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| 22:26.28 | DJJeff | as seen here |
| 22:26.29 | DJJeff | http://pastie.org/10058191 |
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| 22:27.29 | DJJeff | I am getting desperate to the point I will pay close to $100 if I can have this working in under 30min |
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| 22:31.53 | gorteng | DJJeff: I guess what you are looking for is not to be found here https://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ |
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| 22:32.03 | DJJeff | nope |
| 22:32.14 | DJJeff | I am reading the page right now |
| 22:32.26 | DJJeff | dont see any links to premade images |
| 22:33.07 | DJJeff | only 7 people listed working on the port |
| 22:33.14 | DJJeff | I guess I wont expect much |
| 22:33.42 | themill | Debian doesn't distribute any premade images |
| 22:33.58 | DJJeff | crap |
| 22:34.08 | DJJeff | also the lead dev got hurt in a car crash |
| 22:34.09 | DJJeff | https://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081229 |
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| 22:37.41 | DJJeff | go back in time and bring this guy back to life please |
| 22:37.51 | DJJeff | looks like he was a core dev for mips |
| 22:38.08 | DJJeff | even qemu |
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| 22:39.55 | DJJeff | crap this is 4GB |
| 22:39.56 | DJJeff | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/mipsel/iso-dvd/debian-7.8.0-mipsel-DVD-1.iso |
| 22:40.12 | DJJeff | whats to say it will even work in qemu |
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| 22:42.04 | gorteng | DJJeff: If 4GB is too much try this one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/mipsel/iso-cd/debian-7.8.0-mipsel-CD-1.iso |
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| 22:43.30 | DJJeff | can I get by with just 1 cd for a minimal install? |
| 22:43.42 | DJJeff | like no gui just bash terminal and basic packages |
| 22:43.43 | notmarc | easy. |
| 22:44.03 | notmarc | network install will do that, less than 300mb last time i looked (a while ago..) |
| 22:44.38 | DJJeff | oh? |
| 22:44.42 | notmarc | https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:44.51 | DJJeff | can network install do a mipsel arch |
| 22:45.00 | notmarc | oh, mispel, no idea. |
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| 22:45.44 | DJJeff | yup |
| 22:45.44 | DJJeff | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/mipsel/iso-cd/debian-7.8.0-mipsel-netinst.iso |
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| 22:46.22 | notmarc | should be easy enough for you, 200ish mb. |
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| 22:46.38 | notmarc | should give you console, and basic as install. |
| 22:47.06 | gorteng | DJJeff: Just search the site for debian mipsel netinst. I don't know whether there is one... |
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| 22:48.49 | DJJeff | ah yes now to find out how to deal with .iso |
| 22:48.50 | DJJeff | https://gnufreakz.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/booting-an-iso-using-qemu/ |
| 22:48.53 | DJJeff | looks easy enough |
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| 22:50.13 | mike997761 | is there a way I can determine the active graphics card in a terminal window? lshw / lspci? it's hard to tell when you have both integrated and a PCI adapter |
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| 22:51.15 | DJJeff | X11 logs? |
| 22:52.23 | mike997761 | tried looking in there, wasn't sure what to hunt |
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| 23:13.04 | swift110 | hey all |
| 23:14.24 | srg | What's a good web scripting language? Like PHP, except not horrible. I'm fluent with PHP, but I want to start writing some software and want to use a good language. |
| 23:14.44 | srg | I even considered writing the website in C/C++ and running it via fastcgi, heh |
| 23:15.00 | rtypo | maybe python? |
| 23:15.16 | srg | Is that easily intergrated into nginx to run? |
| 23:16.22 | rtypo | hm. don't know |
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| 23:17.09 | srg | I'll check out python. I've been meaning to learn it for quite some time now |
| 23:18.40 | AimHere | If you already know javascript, there's node.js to do the backend in as well, but that, in no way, should dissuade you from learning python! |
| 23:19.27 | srg | ah yeah, I used nodejs very very briefly when someone was showing me how it works at school |
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| 23:20.04 | srg | I dunno, I never really got into the whole javasript framework thing...damn JS web hipsters and their fancy backends |
| 23:20.13 | srg | :-P |
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| 23:22.48 | donofrio | anyone know how I can use the pkg dump from a good mint17.x install (http://paste.debian.net/163594/) and get an apt-get that would install the same pkg's on powerpc Debian - not looking for quick answers just need some guidance |
| 23:23.03 | donofrio | no not compile anything, just have a bunch of powerpc mac's kicking around and wanted to get some good use out of these system but sideloading the desktop from a netinstallpower allowing apt-get to version the system uptodate and should look the same or at least close ya know...take list from x86 installed desktop export packages and import into netinstall boot |
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| 23:24.47 | themill | !debian clone |
| 23:24.47 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 23:25.02 | donofrio | yah that sounds about right.... |
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| 23:25.33 | themill | There will be some lib* packages and kernel related packages that will have different names |
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| 23:25.59 | donofrio | how do I get it to proceed - note the package that had issue but proceed on.... |
| 23:26.27 | themill | yeah, that'll do |
| 23:27.33 | donofrio | !debian aptitude clone |
| 23:27.49 | donofrio | !debian apt-clone |
| 23:28.05 | donofrio | had to try (-; |
| 23:29.47 | themill | donofrio: just /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 23:30.57 | donofrio | yah don't need a frontend apt-clone looks like the keys |
| 23:31.09 | donofrio | (thanks for the /msg pointer) |
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| 23:53.28 | olethron | How can I find out which tools (i.e. commands) a package (in this case secure-delete) contains? |
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| 23:56.18 | kdog | olethron: if the package is installed I run "dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin" |
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