| 00:00.02 | keltim | c0fe, No way! That's MY ip address too! |
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| 00:00.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | loil |
| 00:02.00 | tethra | mail+GPG, sms+OTR, xmpp+OTR, phone+zRTP, ability to be tethering/wifi hotspot for 'real' devices |
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| 00:02.10 | tethra | keltim: any other suggestions? :D |
| 00:02.31 | tethra | i'm going to set out to find something like this that exists and isn't totally rubbish |
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| 00:03.16 | keltim | tethra, add a built in vaporizer and contraband concealment compartment and I'm sold. |
| 00:03.30 | tethra | hah |
| 00:04.03 | keltim | I have never been able to get anyone to use encryption |
| 00:04.25 | keltim | and it's pretty easy to set up and use gpg keys these days |
| 00:04.29 | tethra | people i work with usually do it |
| 00:04.41 | tethra | xmpp makes it easy, textsecure too |
| 00:04.44 | keltim | I can't get my coworkers to do it at all |
| 00:05.03 | tethra | really? do you not work with debian users or something |
| 00:05.08 | keltim | I wish |
| 00:05.12 | keltim | cloud folks |
| 00:05.18 | tethra | oh, pity |
| 00:05.27 | tethra | OTR is easy enough if you can convince 'em to use xmpp |
| 00:06.12 | amdragon | Quick question: If I have packages A, B, and C automatically installed, and they depend on each other in a cycle, but no manually installed package depends on any of them, does apt-get autoremove know to remove them? |
| 00:06.21 | keltim | not to mention we are lately hiring offshore developers and do have a real need for encryption for disseminating secrets |
| 00:06.39 | tethra | AFAIK circular dependencies are terrible and not meant to happen, aren't they? |
| 00:06.59 | tethra | keltim: heh |
| 00:07.07 | tethra | i was really disappointed geary's fundraiser failed |
| 00:07.19 | tethra | and that mailpile threw in the towel |
| 00:07.49 | tethra | DIME will be ready before a nice email client that treats encryption properly happens :( |
| 00:07.55 | keltim | geary the MUA? |
| 00:07.58 | tethra | yeah |
| 00:08.13 | keltim | I tried it ... couldn't see what was good about it .. |
| 00:08.16 | tethra | they did a kickstarter asking for enough money to work on it full time for a year or so |
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| 00:08.28 | tethra | it's just got a pleasant, modern interface |
| 00:08.46 | tethra | seems like the folks who make it would do a good job of dealing with presenting the crypto |
| 00:08.47 | keltim | oh too bad. I guess people are more interested in giving some idiot 75K for potato salad |
| 00:08.55 | tethra | yeah |
| 00:09.49 | keltim | even if the internet is only making people's stupidity more apparent, perception is reality sometimes. It's painful to look at |
| 00:10.00 | tethra | yep |
| 00:10.23 | tethra | it occurred to me recently when reading some old person's column where they were griping about twitter abuse |
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| 00:10.58 | tethra | people have always been like this (eg, hateful, stupid, petty and unpleasant) but now they can convey it quickly and to virtually anyone |
| 00:11.11 | centrx | fuck you |
| 00:11.14 | centrx | jk |
| 00:11.19 | tethra | hah |
| 00:11.25 | tethra | nou.jpg etc |
| 00:11.28 | keltim | even usenet was more polite than twitter |
| 00:11.51 | keltim | i kind of miss usenet sometimes |
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| 00:12.04 | tethra | presumably because there is a barrier to entry for usenet |
| 00:12.22 | keltim | there is to irc as well, but it's still kicking |
| 00:12.34 | tethra | i meant re: politeness |
| 00:12.40 | keltim | oh |
| 00:12.43 | tethra | theory: the more inclusive and open a medium, the more horrendously abusive and vile people will be |
| 00:12.50 | keltim | yeah people would ignore you or killfile you |
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| 00:13.10 | keltim | absolutely |
| 00:13.26 | keltim | every society needs filters of some sort |
| 00:13.44 | tethra | yeah |
| 00:13.58 | keltim | you can't let the morons into the cockpit |
| 00:13.58 | tethra | i guess previously those filters were commissioning editors |
| 00:14.09 | keltim | yes, editors are greatly missed |
| 00:14.20 | keltim | almost extinct as a profession |
| 00:14.24 | tethra | yeah |
| 00:14.33 | tethra | i'm considering doing a journalism distance course so i can learn the basics of editing and subediting |
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| 00:14.37 | keltim | I see all sorts of copy errors on news sites now |
| 00:14.50 | tethra | well, that's not what editors were ever really good at |
| 00:15.00 | keltim | the market is the "editor" now |
| 00:15.02 | tethra | i don't know if you know, but the guardian's old nickname is The Grauniad |
| 00:15.38 | keltim | hah, no I didn't know that |
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| 00:16.05 | tethra | yeah, their editing sucked so they constantly had spelling mistakes |
| 00:16.10 | tethra | way more than now |
| 00:16.21 | keltim | well copy editors are a minor function in the profession, but content selection ... I can't think of anything worse than letting the market decide content |
| 00:16.37 | keltim | a sure fire way to making society completely stupid |
| 00:16.37 | tethra | yeah, content should reflect reality, not desire |
| 00:16.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey how do i get krb to make the /etc/krb5.conf |
| 00:16.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
| 00:16.56 | tethra | pass, sorry |
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| 00:17.05 | dhaval2712 | I am currently installing debian 7.8 with KDE _without_ a network connection. If I want to upgrade to testing, do I need to update all my packages to the latest stable and then do it or can I just do it anyway? |
| 00:17.29 | amdragon | tethra: "Not meant to happen" and "don't happen" are different things, I'm afraid. Though I'm still digging into the problem I'm having, so it might not be circular dependencies. |
| 00:17.44 | tethra | amdragon: ah, right |
| 00:17.53 | tethra | what was your question again, amdragon ? |
| 00:18.12 | amdragon | tethra: If apt-get autoremove can remove cycles of automatically installed packages. |
| 00:18.16 | keltim | dhaval2712, not sure I understand, if you want to dist-upgrade the less packages the better |
| 00:18.17 | tethra | oh right |
| 00:18.28 | tethra | yeah that's a fun question i definitely can't answer, sorry :( |
| 00:18.47 | tethra | keltim: how are you going to upgrade to testing without a network connection? |
| 00:18.57 | amdragon | I'm seeing lots of auto-installed packages that I can't find a root reason for, but the dependencies are hairy enough that I might just be missing it. |
| 00:19.08 | keltim | tethra, I assume he has media |
| 00:19.19 | themill | amdragon: 'aptitude why $packagename' will tell you |
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| 00:19.32 | tethra | TIL about aptitude why |
| 00:19.41 | dhaval2712 | keltim: I mean before I do dist-upgrade to testing, do I need to do `apt-get upgrade` before changing the sources.list file? |
| 00:20.04 | tethra | $ aptitude why gnome-shell |
| 00:20.04 | tethra | i gnome-shell-extension-weather Depends gnome-shell (< 3.15) |
| 00:20.05 | keltim | amdragon, it won't remove packages that are deps of installed packages of course |
| 00:20.18 | tethra | lol ^ |
| 00:20.57 | amdragon | keltim: That might be exactly the problem, if they're deps of *automatically* installed packages. |
| 00:21.30 | tethra | amdragon: out of interest, what kind of packages are you talking about? |
| 00:21.39 | keltim | dhaval2712, pretty sure "no" on that one ... an upgrade within stable doesn't change a lot, at least not anything important |
| 00:21.45 | amdragon | tethra: Mostly libs |
| 00:21.52 | tethra | right |
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| 00:22.23 | keltim | amdragon, are you trying to trim it down to a barebones system or something? |
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| 00:22.59 | dhaval2712 | keltim: Even if I've just installed an ISO? I mean, don't I need to upgrade the system after I install all the packages from the ISO? |
| 00:23.04 | amdragon | keltim: Basically. I'm trying to archive an old computer before I decommision it, so I'm cleaning it up first. |
| 00:23.22 | tethra | that's extremely conscientious |
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| 00:23.54 | keltim | dhaval2712, stable doesn't change versions of anything, just package versions which a for security or bug fixes. The dist upgrade will take care of all that |
| 00:24.08 | dhaval2712 | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:24.25 | centrx | except in very special cases like chromium and iceweasel |
| 00:24.50 | keltim | dhaval2712, although if you're moving to testing except for actually testing I'm not sure I'd advise anything but to wait |
| 00:25.19 | ElOcho | Having a problem starting apparmor, after running sudo aa-genproof /usr/bin/man I get this |
| 00:25.23 | ElOcho | Starting AppArmor profiles:[info] AppArmor not available as kernel LSM..failed! |
| 00:26.09 | amdragon | themill: Thanks for pointing out aptitude why. It is indeed finding real reasons for every package I've tried so far. |
| 00:26.49 | keltim | amdragon, in that case I wager there's already a program or script that can trim debian down to the minimum, I'd be surprised if there wasn't |
| 00:27.38 | keltim | I mean without breaking it |
| 00:27.54 | themill | amdragon: note that "Suggests" is enough to keep a package installed even though it wouldn't be enough to cause it to be installed initially. |
| 00:28.06 | keltim | like you're making a disk image and want it as small as possible? |
| 00:28.27 | amdragon | themill: Yeah, I know. There's a setting to disable that, isn't there? |
| 00:28.45 | amdragon | keltim: "Disk image" is so fancy. I'm making a tar archive. But, yes. :) |
| 00:29.11 | keltim | I've found "suggests" often means "required for using" given the strictness debian has about what something needs to run |
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| 00:29.34 | themill | don't mix up suggests and recommends |
| 00:29.42 | themill | amdragon: -o Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=False |
| 00:29.50 | keltim | oh right, reccomends, sorry |
| 00:30.08 | centrx | keltim, I've been very successful without even installing Recommends automatically, so yeah not Suggests |
| 00:30.19 | keltim | themill, btw, I agree with that strictness entirely |
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| 00:31.16 | keltim | I went to uninstall sendmail on amazon linux recently and it wanted to remove almost the entire system |
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| 00:35.23 | keltim | at least debian doesn't get suicidal when you want to uninstall the mta |
| 00:36.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys i am trying to install sudo apt-get install krb5-{admin-server,kdc} |
| 00:36.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.51 | c0fe | Eryn_1983_FL: looks like the script is stick in there |
| 00:38.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
| 00:39.33 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" (or you could dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set it to ask questions at a lower priority level) |
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| 00:40.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 00:40.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
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| 00:42.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | i found it |
| 00:46.37 | c0fe | everyone was kung fu kighting |
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| 00:49.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok wth kind of error message is this ? krb5kdc: No such file or directory - while initializing database for realm THRACE.LAN |
| 00:49.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | what file? where? for what? its very telling this is an ancient program written several decades ago. |
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| 01:08.36 | trysten | how do i use xdebug? i can't even start it. |
| 01:08.48 | trysten | xdebug not found. (it is installed) |
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| 01:13.06 | keltim | Eryn_1983_FL, you may want to take a look at some of the kerberos how-to's of yore http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Kerberos-Infrastructure-HOWTO/ |
| 01:13.22 | keltim | may be out of date, but those things don't generally change a lot |
| 01:13.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 01:13.32 | c0fe | what would be awesome is to create a distro that does nothing but show pictures |
| 01:13.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 01:13.46 | keltim | c0fe, android? |
| 01:13.54 | c0fe | naw a desktop distro |
| 01:14.00 | keltim | facebook, then |
| 01:14.06 | c0fe | that's a website |
| 01:14.13 | c0fe | this one would require 16GB of memory for no reason\ |
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| 01:14.47 | keltim | for ads |
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| 01:16.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 01:36.37 | skolervee | Okay so I tried GNU/Linux on a G4 iBook. I see things about aw damn it. I have a question. |
| 01:36.55 | skolervee | Does power savings suspend work better if I have no swap? |
| 01:37.17 | skolervee | or will it be a travesty |
| 01:37.54 | skolervee | bye |
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| 01:52.29 | Devastator | does package recompile works for kernels too? |
| 01:52.39 | Devastator | the factoid I mean |
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| 01:53.03 | centrx | Devastator, yes |
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| 01:53.51 | centrx | Devastator, you might want to/have to use make-kpkg something like that |
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| 01:54.27 | Devastator | centrx does dpkg have some kernel recompile factoid? |
| 01:54.48 | centrx | !compile kernel |
| 01:54.49 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 01:56.08 | Devastator | hum, this is for kernel compiling, I wonder if !package recompile applies to kernels as well |
| 01:56.11 | Devastator | !package recompile |
| 01:56.11 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 01:57.40 | centrx | it's similar, but usually you're compiling the kernel yourself for a reason that involves e.g. changing the kernel configuration |
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| 01:58.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am so close peeps |
| 01:58.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | so close, to getting sso with kerberos and pam :( |
| 01:58.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | kdc is workingg but i am getting error trying to login as the user |
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| 02:01.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://paste.debian.net/163746/ |
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| 02:02.39 | Devastator | centrx can't I change the kernel configuration while using the package recompile method? |
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| 02:24.19 | duckey | How can I fix this error? http://pastebin.com/tJHpLBeq |
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| 02:25.36 | grantwu | Hey, I'm having trouble patching my kernel to improve compatibility with my Yoga 2 Pro |
| 02:25.40 | duckey | I am following this procedure: http://linuxconfig.org/installation-of-spotify-client-on-debian-linux-8-jessie-64-bit |
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| 02:26.03 | grantwu | I've been following these instructions https://github.com/pfps/yoga-laptop but I can't find the kernel-devel package |
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| 02:33.14 | keltim | duckey, that's messed up telling people to grab packages from sid |
| 02:33.31 | keltim | or really any of the instructions there |
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| 02:33.57 | ccomp | how do I pass command line args to a daemon started with the system command? |
| 02:34.36 | keltim | I don't understand why these companies just don't statically compile their crap like they do on MacOS or otherwise isolate it from the rest of the system |
| 02:36.09 | keltim | that's so f*ed up that they evidently compiled it on some mess of a system so that it's somehow distributed for stable, instructed to install on testing, and then asking you to pull libs from unstable? What freaking idiot thought all that mess up? |
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| 02:38.30 | keltim | oh it's not spotify it's someone else |
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| 02:42.08 | amdragon | tethra, themill, keltim: Thanks for the help. I managed to shave several gigs off my file system archive. |
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| 02:43.25 | themill | cool |
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| 02:52.50 | dvs | ,v ubuntu-archive-keyring |
| 02:52.52 | judd | Package: ubuntu-archive-keyring on i386 -- jessie: 2012.05.19-1; wheezy-backports: 2012.05.19-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2012.05.19-2 |
| 02:52.55 | dvs | ???? |
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| 03:25.09 | dysfunct1onal | was trying to fix someones problem with ubuntu not creating a passwd entry for their user and having no root to manually fix and was told in ubuntu irc "you dont need a passwd entry" |
| 03:25.12 | dysfunct1onal | lol |
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| 03:27.57 | grantwu | Hi, I'm having trouble building a kernel module to increase compatibility with my Yoga 2 Pro as specified here https://github.com/pfps/yoga-laptop |
| 03:28.10 | grantwu | Specifically, I don't know what the kernel-devel package refers to |
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| 03:29.08 | keltim | oh lord |
| 03:29.40 | grantwu | Wait, dammit. |
| 03:29.45 | keltim | dysfunct1onal, their policies have effectively made single user mode unworkable |
| 03:29.54 | grantwu | I meant to join this on irc.oftc.net |
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| 03:29.59 | keltim | you can't init S on an ubuntu system, it doesn't do anything |
| 03:30.04 | keltim | lol |
| 03:30.29 | keltim | er, not unworkable, rather "meaningless" |
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| 03:31.41 | keltim | they somehow even removed the ability of the bootloader to start the os in single user as well, I booted a trusty system into single user the other day and it started gnome |
| 03:32.23 | keltim | so you have to boot to a cd to do anything you would normally init S for |
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| 03:42.48 | donofrio | anyone here dabble in PPC and Debian8 I finnaly got the video working at 1028x768 but in xbmc is it's way slow do not believe driver loaded corectly for this macmini |
| 03:43.22 | donofrio | keltim: you always have chroot unless encrypted |
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| 03:47.19 | keltim | donofrio, oh to change the password? of course |
| 03:47.34 | keltim | but it irked me that single user is basically gone |
| 03:47.46 | keltim | and indicates that it's still there |
| 03:49.26 | keltim | I assumed the lack thereof was due to their policy of root login being completely disabled, since it is needed for single user |
| 03:50.55 | themill | single user in debian has been pretty much useless for about 10 years too |
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| 04:08.34 | dysfunct1onal | well in the end i had to mount his drive to my kali with root access and manually fix the passwd group and even shadow file to have the correct user name |
| 04:09.12 | dysfunct1onal | was the stupidest thing ever, i cant imagine why you would ever not want a root account if something like that happens |
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| 04:09.33 | dysfunct1onal | and to not think you need a passwd entry at all? you dont need a login shell? lol |
| 04:09.45 | dysfunct1onal | probably thought passwords were kept in passwd or something |
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| 04:34.20 | keltim | themill, ? I used it the other day on jessie, worked as I expected. Although really I have not used "init S" in many years prior to that |
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| 04:35.36 | themill | it works better in jessie than in prior releases |
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| 04:36.29 | keltim | I usually boot to something else when working on a server just out of habit, it's safer |
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| 04:41.58 | giddles | hello experts. im a fully total dau and got some problem. i want to install gdrive from github .. im following http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/gdrive-simple-google-drive-cli-client.html |
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| 04:42.36 | duckey | How can I wipe a CD-ROM on Jessie? |
| 04:42.39 | giddles | cd && sudo install drive-linux* /usr/local/bin/drive <-- is too munch for a windows l00ser, must i make a dir first? hm? whats that about |
| 04:43.44 | giddles | has anyone the mercy and nerves to help me quick out? |
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| 04:47.22 | valdezz--- | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:47.36 | valdezz--- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.42 | valdezz--- | Any idea why I'm getting this error when I apt-get upgrade |
| 04:48.24 | giddles | hah youre one step ahead of me mr error at @apt-get.. how do i install gdrive? :/ |
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| 04:51.11 | themill | valdezz---: that's not the real error -- it may be some distance back in the buffer |
| 04:51.27 | valdezz--- | oh |
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| 04:53.12 | giddles | hmm :-( |
| 04:54.53 | valdezz--- | themill: can you take a look please http://pastebin.com/0hubSbwY |
| 04:55.02 | valdezz--- | that's a nasty non error if so |
| 04:55.50 | jonnee | I wanna install the 0ad from wheezy backports... what do I read for learning how, or how do I do it? |
| 04:56.29 | dvs | !tell jonnee about wheezy-backports |
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| 04:57.52 | jonnee | thanks, good bg info. where do I put the wheezy-backports in the apt-get command? |
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| 04:58.57 | valdezz--- | i think i just saw a lowspace popup for my tmp |
| 04:59.02 | valdezz--- | maybe its preventing the update? |
| 04:59.13 | valdezz--- | I have no idea what to do |
| 04:59.57 | jonnee | apt-get -t wheezy-backports install 0ad? or does the -t w-b go between install and the pkg name? |
| 05:02.54 | valdezz--- | anyone? |
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| 06:49.06 | jonnee | what's #devuan? |
| 06:50.00 | TaZeR | its debians top competition in the buisness |
| 06:50.07 | TaZeR | but im playing both sides against eachother |
| 06:50.12 | TaZeR | oops i mean to think that not say it |
| 06:50.24 | TaZeR | ive had too much morphine today |
| 06:51.16 | jonnee | if it's just a different dist, they probably don't care |
| 06:51.44 | TaZeR | i mean i thought they might care here |
| 06:52.01 | TaZeR | theres bad blood |
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| 06:58.56 | JyZyXEL | % sudo apt-get install testdisk |
| 06:58.57 | JyZyXEL | testdisk : Depends: libntfs-3g852 but it is not installable |
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| 07:05.07 | themill | JyZyXEL: sounds like you need to figure out why ntfs-3g is not installable |
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| 07:05.33 | JyZyXEL | ntfs-3g is already the newest version. |
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| 07:06.31 | jonnee | so there's one installed |
| 07:06.47 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about bat |
| 07:06.47 | JyZyXEL | but testdisk depends on libntfs-3g852 |
| 07:07.41 | themill | are you mixing wheezy and jessie/sid by any chance? |
| 07:07.46 | JyZyXEL | nope |
| 07:08.02 | themill | suspects the answer is yes |
| 07:09.36 | jonnee | are you intending to upgrade? if so did something go wrong? |
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| 07:12.55 | jonnee | or, did you want a package not available in your dist, and you reached into the next version of the dist? |
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| 07:15.45 | JyZyXEL | jonnee: packages.debian.org shows that sid has testdisk |
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| 07:16.17 | themill | JyZyXEL: can you please provide the output dpkg asked for? |
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| 07:19.01 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/163760/ |
| 07:20.01 | themill | JyZyXEL: and the output of "apt-cache policy" and also "apt-cache policy ntfs-3g"? |
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| 07:20.49 | jonnee | ,v testdisk |
| 07:20.50 | judd | Package: testdisk on i386 -- squeeze: 6.11-1+b1; wheezy: 6.13-1; sid: 6.14-3+b2; jessie: 6.14-3+b2 |
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| 07:21.30 | themill | (there's nothing wrong with the testdisk package, we need to work out what's wrong on this machine) |
| 07:21.32 | jonnee | it looks like you can get the one in wheezy |
| 07:21.34 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/163762/ |
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| 07:23.05 | themill | ahh... looks like testdisk needs to be rebuilt against the newer ntfs-3g. You'll have to install the package from jessie. |
| 07:24.29 | themill | to be more precise, you'll have to install the ntfs-3g packages from jessie |
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| 07:26.10 | m14ed | 1534 lurkers on this channel at once |
| 07:26.34 | hhmmm | boo |
| 07:26.38 | m14ed | is anyone open for a question |
| 07:26.52 | nkuttler | m14ed: don't ask to ask, just ask |
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| 07:27.36 | m14ed | Matshita ujda 730 ANYONE familiar with it,,?? or how to install a driver onto a live disc that won;''t INIT from live cd |
| 07:28.02 | m14ed | sony vaio laptop trying to load debian 7.8.0 |
| 07:28.59 | m14ed | the disc starts and the install starts, durring expanding/ installing/ it fails to find a driver for the cd and i can not find a driver on the install disc |
| 07:29.50 | jonnee | have you ever put a linux on it? |
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| 07:30.56 | JyZyXEL | themill: but jessie and sid are both in the same version? |
| 07:31.00 | m14ed | its OLD gear , small r am 128 meg P3 processor/ and no way to install any linux other than DSL from the cd |
| 07:31.34 | themill | JyZyXEL: not of ntfs-3g |
| 07:31.38 | shay_shay | is it not possible to boot a usb on that rig ? |
| 07:31.47 | shay_shay | m14ed: ^ |
| 07:32.12 | JyZyXEL | themill: so the problem is my ntfs-3g is too new? :D |
| 07:32.14 | m14ed | negitive,, it says BIOS/ removable , but iso willnot boot |
| 07:32.44 | m14ed | eer = USB with an ISO will not engauge |
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| 07:33.52 | JyZyXEL | themill: the package "libntfs-3g852" does not exist at all by the way? |
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| 07:34.18 | shay_shay | m14ed: If you can boot any live system you can install with debootstrap |
| 07:34.19 | duckey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:35.19 | shay_shay | debootstrap then chroot. |
| 07:35.26 | duckey | I get unexpected end of file |
| 07:35.59 | jonnee | maybe that means you don't have all of the script |
| 07:36.17 | duckey | what? |
| 07:36.29 | jonnee | maybe that means you don't have all of the script |
| 07:36.42 | duckey | What does that mean? |
| 07:37.11 | m14ed | command l ine before starting ? debootstrap chroot |
| 07:37.27 | shay_shay | m14ed: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-install-debian-using-debootstrap-4175465295/ |
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| 07:37.49 | m14ed | thank you s ir,, i will read and try,, thanks for the guidance |
| 07:38.07 | shay_shay | it seems like a time consuming way to install but after youve done it once you can do it again pretty quickly |
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| 07:38.16 | jonnee | depending on what file has unexpected end of file, if it's the script file, it was trying to read something when the file ended instead of it completing |
| 07:38.53 | m14ed | this is a learning experence thanks ,,, |
| 07:39.13 | shay_shay | you can get debootstrap on nearly any linux distro if ots not debian based, e.g |
| 07:39.27 | m14ed | im not in here for someone to do it for me,, justa old fart asking for pointers |
| 07:40.35 | m14ed | thank you for your help good people.... |
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| 07:48.08 | JyZyXEL | themill: im not still quite sure what i need to do to get testdisk installed |
| 07:48.42 | JyZyXEL | should i add jessie sources to my apt sources? |
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| 07:53.19 | shay_shay | !checkbackport testdisk |
| 07:54.56 | shay_shay | !tell JyZyXEL ssb |
| 07:55.20 | shay_shay | heh i screwed that up |
| 07:55.24 | JyZyXEL | it didn't tell me anything |
| 07:55.38 | shay_shay | JyZyXEL: msg dpkg and ask him about "ssb" |
| 07:55.49 | shay_shay | i forgot the command to tell him to tell you |
| 07:55.52 | shay_shay | :P |
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| 07:57.30 | JyZyXEL | im not sure if ssb is a good way to go |
| 07:57.37 | shay_shay | why not |
| 07:57.52 | JyZyXEL | im already on sid |
| 07:57.57 | shay_shay | oh |
| 07:57.59 | shay_shay | lol |
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| 07:58.24 | shay_shay | #debian-next for sid support |
| 07:58.32 | shay_shay | this channel is for wheezy only |
| 07:59.03 | shay_shay | like it says in the channel topic |
| 07:59.27 | shay_shay | ...vaguely |
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| 08:12.46 | funkybro | i though it was jessie |
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| 08:23.18 | shay_shay | funkybro: #debian-next is jessie and sid support |
| 08:23.53 | funkybro | cool |
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| 08:26.29 | Arrrg | hi . i tried to boot debian live cd and before i get menu i get a partial black screen. this hapened me with other distros. some distros boots ok. i recently replaced a malfunction graphic card by 1 very old one.. works and boots ubuntu and lubuntu. any ideas how to fix this_ |
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| 08:32.07 | Arrrg | i see a debian spash with a big black console with nothing on it |
| 08:32.37 | Arrrg | tried press return but its stuck |
| 08:33.41 | valdyn | Arrrg: use the text mode install |
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| 08:34.36 | valdyn | Arrrg: or if thats what is broken, use the graphical install. Have you tried both? |
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| 08:35.34 | Arrrg | valdyn: i cant because no menu options |
| 08:36.10 | Arrrg | this is not firt distro that this happens. in other computers works nice |
| 08:36.49 | valdyn | Arrrg: maybe this is only the monitor |
| 08:36.56 | valdyn | Arrrg: can you plug in a different one? |
| 08:37.11 | Arrrg | sorry dont have another monitor |
| 08:37.45 | Arrrg | way ubuntu works fine and debian not_ |
| 08:38.33 | valdyn | Arrrg: have you tried the jessie installer? |
| 08:38.42 | Arrrg | no |
| 08:38.47 | Arrrg | let me take a look |
| 08:39.10 | valdyn | Arrrg: both, the squeeze and jessie installers may be worth a try |
| 08:40.26 | valdyn | Arrrg: but you cannot easily downgrade jessie to wheezy |
| 08:41.09 | phix | valdyn: no |
| 08:41.10 | shay_shay | why is that |
| 08:41.29 | shay_shay | i tried to downgrade a vm once, it wasnt pretty |
| 08:41.40 | valdyn | phix: no what? |
| 08:41.44 | phix | downgrading isnt a thing ypu do |
| 08:41.54 | phix | you* |
| 08:41.56 | valdyn | phix: isnt that what I said? |
| 08:42.33 | shay_shay | phix: but you havent tried it out of curiosity ? |
| 08:43.15 | Arrrg | maybe with a recue live cd and then change debian and boot from debian |
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| 08:43.42 | shay_shay | Arrrg: that would be the same as reinstalling |
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| 08:44.12 | valdyn | Arrrg: that would be a very very last resort. Im sure there's a better solution. |
| 08:44.12 | shay_shay | we're talking about dist-upgrade |
| 08:44.35 | valdyn | Arrrg: and its hard enough that I wont support it on irc |
| 08:44.40 | Arrrg | my problem is that debian and some other distros show me spash screen with a big black console with nothing on it |
| 08:45.11 | Arrrg | my computer boots ok with ubuntu |
| 08:45.29 | shay_shay | Arrrg: can you describe this console in greater detail? |
| 08:45.39 | Arrrg | yes |
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| 08:46.33 | architek9 | I can't get fancontrol to generate a config file whats going wrong> |
| 08:46.52 | Arrrg | shows me debian spash acreen and a big black box that ocupies80 % spash and i get stuck cant press anythinng and downt show any cursor |
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| 08:48.01 | Arrrg | i only i think its grub console but i get stuck |
| 08:48.09 | shay_shay | lol ok |
| 08:48.12 | shay_shay | grub. |
| 08:48.22 | shay_shay | that changes everything |
| 08:48.43 | shay_shay | sometimes details matter :) |
| 08:48.59 | shay_shay | does it say grub anywhere on it Arrrg ? |
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| 08:49.05 | JyZyXEL | how can i create a MBR partition that starts from LBA 63? |
| 08:49.07 | Arrrg | no |
| 08:49.08 | JyZyXEL | fdisk is REFUSING to do it |
| 08:49.31 | Arrrg | no text nothing |
| 08:49.58 | JyZyXEL | ah never mind, needed the --compatibility=dos |
| 08:50.04 | Arrrg | porteus its the same thing and works fine on my laptop so debian |
| 08:50.34 | Arrrg | im curently using debian live cd on my laptop |
| 08:50.41 | phix | no it wasn't |
| 08:51.04 | phix | stupid Australian Internet |
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| 08:52.36 | shay_shay | Arrrg: porteus is based on slackware |
| 08:53.03 | Arrrg | same bug |
| 08:53.19 | Arrrg | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.38 | shay_shay | which version of ubuntu |
| 08:54.26 | Arrrg | lts both 12.05 and 10.4 lubuntu an the nes lts ubuntu |
| 08:54.56 | Arrrg | and latest lts ubunti 10.4 if im not mistaken |
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| 09:00.39 | shay_shay | and what video card is it? |
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| 09:03.55 | Arrrg | shay_shay: its an very old one my main crashed s3 graphics savage 4 rev2 |
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| 09:06.55 | Arrrg | shay_shay: well im gona try put my buggy card to see what happens. thanks for the suport. i have to disconect debian soon to try again |
| 09:07.55 | shay_shay | good luck :) |
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| 10:38.06 | suitsmeveryfine | Hi! I've got an Olinuxino A20 Lime2 and would like to install U-boot + Debian Jessie onto a microSD card. Shall I partition the card first? I've read through the "InstallingDebianOn Allwinner" guide but don't find it totally clear. |
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| 10:39.51 | jelly | suitsmeveryfine: linux-sunxi.org wiki and #linux-sunxi is probably a better place to ask about correctly preparing a SD card |
| 10:40.20 | suitsmeveryfine | jelly: OK, thanks |
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| 11:17.41 | blackflow | Hi all. I have a problem with apticron, I've set both EMAIL and CUSTOM_FROM configs, but it still sends mail with Return-Path: <root@localhost> and that is rejected by the recipient because it requires fqdn address for the envelope sender. How can I fix this? the hostname -f returns proper fqdn on that machine. |
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| 11:59.18 | *** topic/#debian is Jessie frozen: /msg dpkg jessie freeze | wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 12:01.49 | valdyn | blackflow: whats your /etc/mailname ? |
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| 12:02.35 | blackflow | valdyn: already figured that out, thanks. |
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| 12:26.30 | blergh_ | Will unstable default to wayland in the foreseeable future? |
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| 12:40.03 | jelly | blergh_: wild-ass guess: not before major players like kde and gnome become usable and well behaved on wayland |
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| 13:00.07 | converge | when I try to install php5, its dependecy is apache2, but I want to use nginx, dont know what to do.. some idea ? |
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| 13:02.07 | themill | converge: you probably want to install the php5 interpreter you want to use rather than hoping apt will be able to guess that you want something other than libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 13:04.31 | converge | I just need php5, dont wanna think about anything else |
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| 13:04.45 | blackflow | converge: then install php5-fpm directly, it will take care of proper deps |
| 13:05.01 | converge | blackflow: thanks |
| 13:05.07 | blackflow | unless of course you want some other php process manager |
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| 13:05.52 | blackflow | converge: btw, "don't wanna think about anything else" is a recipe for sysadmin fail :) you *should* care about deps, regardless of how smart apt is |
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| 13:07.07 | converge | blackflow: ok, but my point of view is, "if it's simple, more people can use it" |
| 13:07.25 | themill | there's no way that apt is going to be able to read your mind |
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| 13:07.52 | blackflow | converge: simple does not contradict thinking and knowing what the tool does. |
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| 13:08.43 | converge | blackflow: normal user thinks "I need php5, so let's install it apt-get install php5" |
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| 13:09.32 | blackflow | converge: there is no one kind of php5. "normal" user should know that. there's cli, there fcgi, there's a number of protocols the "normal" user has to choose from |
| 13:09.54 | jelly | converge: normal user gets apache and mod-php5, then, because defaults in Debian are quite conservative |
| 13:10.04 | jelly | (read: never get changed) |
| 13:10.13 | themill | At the stage where you've decided to pick one httpd over another then you get to also pick one php5 interpreter over another. |
| 13:10.21 | converge | jelly: nice point |
| 13:10.22 | blackflow | jelly: until it does :D (looking at you, xfce default in Jessie) |
| 13:10.48 | themill | blackflow: itym task-gnome-desktop |
| 13:10.58 | blackflow | themill: I know, I'm talking about defaults |
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| 13:11.15 | themill | blackflow: I know, except that you're not right. |
| 13:11.35 | jelly | blackflow: task-desktop says... Recommends: task-gnome-desktop | ... |
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| 13:12.39 | blackflow | here's a golfclap about missing a point ;) |
| 13:13.27 | themill | (and one for making a point so vaguely that noone has any idea what point it is you're making) |
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| 13:13.41 | jelly | the point was "defaults do not change easily in Debian" |
| 13:14.07 | converge | that makes things solid |
| 13:14.14 | blackflow | the point was that "never gets changed" until it does. as it sometimes have. "never" is a very strong word. |
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| 13:22.50 | alfatau | hello all. my question is about maintenance-mode. if i switch to runlevel 1, is there a way to unmount the root filesystem for maintenance (e.g. fsck, resize2fs...) without booting with a livecd? |
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| 13:26.42 | jelly | alfatau: not really. You can remount it read-only, do fsck (and reboot immediately afterwards), but not a resize2fs shrink operation. resize2fs grow can be done online anyway. |
| 13:27.56 | alfatau | jelly: where can i find documentation about online resize2fs? |
| 13:28.07 | jelly | alfatau: its manual |
| 13:28.34 | jelly | basically if your device is large enough, you just run it |
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| 13:30.14 | jelly | growing the underlying device is an issue of its own. Trivial if you have LVM and some free space in the relevant VG, or complex if there are other layers or a normal partition |
| 13:30.15 | alfatau | jelly: really, the operation would be to shrink a logical volume to enlarge another one. |
| 13:30.31 | alfatau | jelly the VG is full. |
| 13:30.59 | jelly | you need to umount the one you're shrinking. The one that's going to be grown does not need fsck or umounting |
| 13:31.35 | alfatau | jelly: ok. so i must boot with a livecd, the volume to be shrinked is the root volume |
| 13:31.43 | jelly | then yes. |
| 13:31.57 | alfatau | jelly, thank you very much. |
| 13:32.55 | jelly | note that if you're shrinking by a lot, it can be quite faster to backup, reformat, and restore than to shrink with resize2fs |
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| 13:36.18 | deepblue | what's the current stable edition code name? |
| 13:37.17 | jelly | wheezy |
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| 13:41.59 | deepblue | well.i wanna install wheezy from within linux and i need a wiki page link on that |
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| 14:01.30 | g00se | Getting confused by gvim. It's a link to vim.gtk. Only if i invoke the former do i get syntax highlighting. Why? |
| 14:02.02 | heaumer | g00se: likely, they don't read the same configuration fie |
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| 14:02.17 | heaumer | file*; or the configuration file differentiate between both |
| 14:02.35 | heaumer | (or gvim load different settings depending on the name of the program) |
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| 14:03.13 | heaumer | if you want it enabled by default, just add the right option™ in your $HOME/.vimrc :-) |
| 14:03.21 | g00se | I don't get how that really happens if it's a link |
| 14:04.05 | heaumer | g00se: well, because every unix program is able known what was the executable name it was launched as |
| 14:04.28 | heaumer | my guess is that there must be a test "somewhere" on this value |
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| 14:05.29 | g00se | Well i suppose i could strace it but would like to avoid that faff |
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| 14:07.12 | heaumer | that may give some hints on why, if your goal is understanding why is it so, i suppose it's a reasonable solution |
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| 14:08.05 | g00se | Well my goal is really to invoke editor and get the same result as invoking gvim |
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| 14:08.47 | heaumer | g00se: then, i suggest setting a configuration option in a vimrc |
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| 14:09.13 | SixtyFold | where can i find a list of all the packages install in the debian wheezy mini install by default? |
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| 14:10.20 | g00se | Forgive me but what would that be. My .vimrc works perfectly well if using gvim as opposed to editor |
| 14:11.01 | keltim | SixtyFold, I assume maybe digging through tasksel (I think) and looking at what it does for a mini install (I think it's tasksel that does that, could be wrong) |
| 14:11.23 | SixtyFold | that is a program? |
| 14:11.35 | SixtyFold | command* |
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| 14:12.07 | keltim | !tasksel |
| 14:12.07 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 14:12.34 | themill | g00se: is 'editor' using gvim or vim or vi or ...? |
| 14:12.35 | keltim | actually I don't think it's tasksel since I don't see "mini" in there |
| 14:12.47 | heaumer | g00se: grep 'syntax.*on' ~/.vimrc /etc/vimrc |
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| 14:14.11 | keltim | SixtyFold, sorry not sure. I leave the question to someone else, or you can take a look at the installer and see what it is doing |
| 14:14.28 | g00se | /home/goose/.vimrc:syntax on |
| 14:14.46 | SixtyFold | my main problem is im trying to "build" debian from just the mini install, adding my own windows manager, DM, using openbox, etc and atm im having trouble with VMware tools, copy and paste, but im also having trouble with being able to connect to any other computer from this debaian machine im making on my network with thunar |
| 14:14.56 | heaumer | g00se: grep 'syntax' /etc/vimrc |
| 14:15.04 | heaumer | maybe it's disabled there |
| 14:15.41 | SixtyFold | so i can really get anything else i want off or on the OS atm without going to some stupid extent of making a dropbox to do it or uploading files to my webserver on the internet etc, haha, which would just be a lazy workaround anyhow, hah |
| 14:15.51 | g00se | grep: /etc/vimrc: No such file or directory |
| 14:16.05 | heaumer | ah |
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| 14:16.31 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.33 | heaumer | g00se: well, look for other potential vimrc (either locate if your db is up to date, or using dpkg on vim) |
| 14:16.42 | SixtyFold | so i was gonna just wipe all samba and nautilus related packages and install them from the beginning. |
| 14:17.07 | keltim | SixtyFold, well, then you prob. want to install the desktop and then your window manager of choice, or if you want install everything separately, but running tasksel and choosing "debian desktop" should do the trick |
| 14:18.02 | keltim | SixtyFold, that wouldn't be a lazy workaround that would be pulling your hair out for no reason :) |
| 14:18.17 | SixtyFold | keltim: well yah, im trying to do everything seperately to learn all that stuff and how it's all put together, instead of just like, install lxde or something and having it all done for me and not liking the way it is or how much system resources it's using etc |
| 14:18.39 | SixtyFold | so i started with Xorg and added openbox, then etc etc |
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| 14:18.55 | keltim | welll really debian does do everything for you more or less, it just makes as few assumptions as possible |
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| 14:19.33 | keltim | but if you don't understand how it works the difference isn't apparent |
| 14:19.54 | g00se | /etc/vim/gvimrc /etc/vim/vimrc /home/goose/.vimrc /usr/share/vim/gvimrc /usr/share/vim/vimrc |
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| 14:21.14 | SixtyFold | yah, this has seemed to be a good way to start to learn how it all works and later on ill go even further eventually |
| 14:21.19 | heaumer | g00se: ok, you can grep in those; also -u/-U can set vimrc/gvimrc, you may experiment with that |
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| 14:23.23 | keltim | SixtyFold, but installing the desktop will swipe away a lot of minor issues so most things "just work" without having to dig around for every little thing like it's 1997, even if you're only going to use openbox or whatever |
| 14:23.36 | g00se | Actually i just tried editor -U ~/.vimrc S1.java. That produced no syntax. With lower case u it mentioned an error in my .vimrc |
| 14:23.55 | valdyn | g00se: when you run "update-alternatives --list editor", what do you get? |
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| 14:24.32 | SixtyFold | okay, ill try it, it's a VM ive backed up so if i dont like what happens i can alway wipe it. what is debian desktop? a DE or window manager? |
| 14:25.20 | g00se | /bin/ed /bin/nano /usr/bin/vim.gtk /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 14:25.55 | keltim | SixtyFold, it's a tasksel action |
| 14:26.27 | keltim | SixtyFold, there are virtual packages like just "gnome" or whatever that will do more or less the same thing |
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| 14:27.45 | SixtyFold | keltim: okay, im reading the wiki, thanks |
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| 14:28.32 | keltim | or meta-packages rather |
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| 14:29.35 | valdyn | g00se: appearantly theres no editor there that needs X, i guess gvim needs X or at least is treated as such. vim uses vimrc, gvim uses .gvimrc, 2 distinct sets of config files. |
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| 14:30.07 | valdyn | g00se: no matter that both may be started by the same binary |
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| 14:30.40 | keltim | SixtyFold, a good start is to at least skim through the debian policy manual, that describes how the packaging system works |
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| 14:31.08 | g00se | All very baffling |
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| 14:31.36 | SixtyFold | keltim: okay, pulled that up too to read, thanks |
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| 14:32.17 | valdyn | g00se: just dont use gvim if you want both editors behave the same, use vim and editor |
| 14:32.29 | keltim | it's meant for packagers but the guts of the operation is described there, I don't know of a better place :) |
| 14:32.29 | L0aD1nG | hello, can someone give me a small explanation of what apt-extracttemplates is used for? |
| 14:32.39 | valdyn | g00se: or maintain seperate config files (or link them) |
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| 14:32.58 | L0aD1nG | reading the manual I conclude that it is for extracting .deb packages am I right? |
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| 14:35.08 | mycae | Hi, im currently on testing, and I appear to no longer be able to mount encrypted USB disks. Im using xfce and thunar, and I get .Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.freedesktop.udisks2.encrypted-unlock-other-seat is not registered. |
| 14:35.45 | mycae | Im not sure if this is thunar trying to issue this request, or if this is some internal polikit inconsistency. Im using polkit libs 0.105-8 |
| 14:35.49 | L0aD1nG | anyone??! |
| 14:35.57 | keltim | mycae, not sure, but it sounds like a dbus setting missing |
| 14:36.00 | g00se | Well the problem is that only invoking with gvim is working as it should |
| 14:36.47 | mycae | hmm. I dont know - I can see the setting in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks2.policty |
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| 14:36.57 | valdyn | g00se: and that is what? syntax highlighting being on? |
| 14:37.02 | g00se | Yes |
| 14:37.15 | valdyn | g00se: does :syntax on inside vim put it on temporarily? |
| 14:37.25 | valdyn | g00se: does ":syntax on" inside vim put it on temporarily? |
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| 14:38.41 | g00se | No |
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| 14:38.59 | valdyn | g00se: what does that do ? |
| 14:39.03 | keltim | mycae, on second though I think you're right, there is something wrong with polkit there - does it work with "sudo thunar"? |
| 14:39.20 | g00se | It has no effect when invoked with either editor or vim.gtk |
| 14:39.23 | nebbia | hello everyone... hello everyone... is there any alternative... to brackets ?= |
| 14:40.37 | valdyn | g00se: so your terminal does not support colors? |
| 14:40.47 | valdyn | g00se: how are you starting this, in which terminal? |
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| 14:42.05 | valdyn | g00se: gvim will open its own window, so of course that may do different things than vim.gtk, which just runs in the current terminal. |
| 14:42.08 | g00se | My terminal does. I simply don't get why is |
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| 14:42.28 | sda | hi all, I have an expanding file "RAW" when I write inside it, it expands. But when I delete it doesnt compact. How can I compact the file? |
| 14:42.31 | g00se | it's not opening a window with gvim, just like invoking gvim does |
| 14:42.45 | valdyn | g00se: typo? |
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| 14:45.26 | g00se | What i mean is that the linking should simply mean that gvim should open the file with syntax highlighting just like invoking gvim directly |
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| 14:45.44 | valdyn | g00se: no, thats not the case |
| 14:45.58 | valdyn | g00se: as one runs in its own window and one runs in the current terminal |
| 14:46.36 | valdyn | g00se: that means that vim running in a terminal is restricted by the terminals capabilities and by the $TERM environment variable. |
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| 14:47.13 | valdyn | g00se: so - again - what kind of terminal are you running vim.gtk in? what is $TERM set to? |
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| 14:47.48 | g00se | OK. Let's just back up a bit. Is there a utility or command that resolves and prints links recursively? |
| 14:48.17 | valdyn | g00se: its not really in question that gvim links to vim.gtk indirectly |
| 14:48.27 | g00se | OK |
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| 14:48.33 | valdyn | g00se: unless youre not running debian ;) |
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| 14:49.10 | mycae | Is there some way to completely force polkit to allow all actions? Polkit is forbidding me from doing things, despite my best efforts |
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| 14:49.19 | mycae | selinux had a disable option. |
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| 14:49.45 | g00se | So why does my system care whether i'm using a link or the target of the link? |
| 14:50.07 | valdyn | g00se: any program can do that. Many programs do that. |
| 14:50.45 | valdyn | g00se: its easy to program, obviously the vim developers found that a convenient way to implemented gvim being different to vim |
| 14:50.54 | g00se | I see they *can* but why *would* it |
| 14:51.12 | valdyn | g00se: because that *want* gvim to be *different* to vim.gtk |
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| 14:51.50 | Mark-z | 6- This is your game ? http://www.desura.com/games/aeon-ball |
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| 14:55.09 | L0aD1nG | does anyone have any idea of "apt-extracttemplates" command? |
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| 14:56.01 | bjornar_ | Does one use reprepro or something else nowadays? |
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| 15:01.04 | alfatau | hello all. is there a safe way to switch to maintenance/rescue mode and execute maintenance tasks using ssh? i.e. systemctl rescue causes networking and sshd to be stopped. any other way? should I create a custom target which is a "clone" of rc1.d but with networking and ssh? |
| 15:01.23 | g00se | So i guess if people want vim.gtk and gvim to be different, why are they symlinked? |
| 15:01.36 | alfatau | otherwise, which is a best practice for this kind of tasks? |
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| 15:04.23 | koowgnojeel | Where could I get debian-7.8.0-amd64-DVD-**(4 to 10)***.iso from ? |
| 15:05.14 | koowgnojeel | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-dvd/MD5SUMS There's more than 3 DVDs in this checksum list. |
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| 15:08.50 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 15:09.09 | eptalon | what fs do you recommend for the home partition (except xfs)? |
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| 15:09.21 | valdyn | alfatau: of course that depends on what you want to do |
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| 15:11.03 | alfatau | valdyn: i want to go to the rescue (not emergency) mode keeping also network and ssh server up; then, after the maintenance task is done, i want to switch to the previous default target. |
| 15:11.14 | keltim | alfatau, you can define a custom runlevel |
| 15:11.26 | keltim | just don't use 0,1 or 2 |
| 15:11.27 | eptalon | I do get an increasing number of errors on my xfs file system, and wondered what other fs is recommended. |
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| 15:11.53 | valdyn | alfatau: well of course, but thats your means, not the thing you want to do. |
| 15:12.01 | eptalon | I use sid, and seems to be kernel-related |
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| 15:12.10 | keltim | eptalon, ext4 works unless you really have a truly good reason to use xfs for the features it provides |
| 15:12.16 | alfatau | keltim: maybe a custom target with networking.target dependency |
| 15:12.51 | eptalon | keltim: some larger files, in the order of a few gigs, option to grow the fs? |
| 15:12.59 | valdyn | eptalon: maybe theres a reason for those errors, xfs is not a bad fs to use |
| 15:13.16 | alfatau | valdyn: well, i'm asking what would be a best practice. a possible solution is to define a custom target with networking.target dependency and so on. is it a good practice? |
| 15:13.39 | keltim | alfatau, defining a custom runlevel has always been a supported option |
| 15:13.44 | keltim | so yes |
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| 15:14.05 | keltim | but I am not sure if there is a "more correct" method currently |
| 15:14.11 | valdyn | alfatau: this would be to much work for me for any task, I think. But its not a bad way. |
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| 15:14.34 | sidi | Hi. What are the kernel versions of stable/unstable/experimental right now? (looking for a distro with 3.13 or 3.14 because of dodgy iwl drivers) |
| 15:14.40 | valdyn | alfatau: you know, you have to *test* that runlevel, and if you made a mistake that locks you out, what then? |
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| 15:15.20 | alfatau | valdyn: what's your suggestion? |
| 15:15.21 | keltim | sidi, if you are up to it, it would be better to download and compile the newer driver yourself rather than switch to unstable to get a driver |
| 15:15.37 | valdyn | alfatau: that depends on what you need to do.... i already said that ;) |
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| 15:16.03 | keltim | valdyn, yes of course. but he appears to be in the stage of setting that up, not in an emergency atm |
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| 15:16.19 | sidi | keltim, this is for a laptop currently on windows, which uses a proprietary iwl driver that only exists for 3.13 and 3.14 |
| 15:16.40 | sidi | keltim, im looking for a distro that can ship those versions and that wont change in the near future |
| 15:16.45 | valdyn | keltim: yes, but I dont know that. |
| 15:16.56 | sidi | and this is for a total beginner so a LFS is a bit out of question :-) |
| 15:16.58 | keltim | sidi, if the driver is in 3.13 then you can get the source ... although it could be a bit complicated to do if you've never done that |
| 15:17.00 | alfatau | valdyn: my needs are simply to be able to work using a remote connection, because actually the server i need to mantain is not accessible. |
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| 15:17.38 | keltim | valdyn, his question was abstract and direct I think |
| 15:17.44 | sidi | keltim, the driver is shipped outside the kernel tree. what im saying is it uses APIs that were apparently deprecated in 3.15 and wont build on a 3.16 or higher |
| 15:18.02 | valdyn | alfatau: the servers i maintain have *specific* services exposed to the outside. If I want to lock people out while im doing something i just stop those few services. |
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| 15:18.36 | keltim | sidi, oh. opposite of the normal problem |
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| 15:19.10 | sidi | keltim, not an ideal situation nope :-) so do you happen to know which Linux versions are available on Debian right now? |
| 15:19.11 | eptalon | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/FFd6YQMd (xfs on an lvm made of 4 raid5 drives (md); copied to another place. md array is consistent. |
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| 15:19.26 | valdyn | alfatau: now if i was maintaining a huge number of similar machines, then i might think about developing a runlevel that does just that and clone that "runlevel" across all machines. |
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| 15:19.36 | somiaj | sidi: wheezy uses the 3.2 kernel, but jessie will use 3.16 (When it is released). |
| 15:19.37 | sidi | it's 3.2 for stable and 3.5 for unstable isnt it? |
| 15:19.44 | sidi | somiaj, thanks! |
| 15:19.51 | somiaj | sidi: I'd suggest wheezy but it only has about 1.5 years of support left. |
| 15:19.52 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 15:19.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 15:20.08 | sidi | somiaj, hopefully by then the person can buy a new laptop / a new driver is released |
| 15:20.30 | valdyn | eptalon: xfs sais you have broken hardware |
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| 15:20.40 | keltim | eptalon, are they hardware errors or file system errors? |
| 15:20.44 | valdyn | eptalon: that of course does not mean its true, but you might have |
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| 15:21.01 | eptalon | keltim: file system errors. "Validation failed for inode..." |
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| 15:21.28 | valdyn | eptalon: just repair that fs anyway, did you do that? |
| 15:21.32 | keltim | eptalon, ok but are there any hardware related errors in, say dmesg output? file system errors rarely occur in a vacuum |
| 15:21.33 | eptalon | valdyn: so I guess buy new drive, make backup. |
| 15:21.34 | sidi | judd, thanks |
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| 15:21.42 | valdyn | eptalon: no, not that |
| 15:21.54 | valdyn | eptalon: theres no disk error |
| 15:22.00 | eptalon | valdyn: yes. Error reoccurs (same block) a little time (15-20min) later |
| 15:22.01 | keltim | esp with something as reliable as xfs |
| 15:22.12 | valdyn | eptalon: its not a disk error |
| 15:22.19 | greenit | hi, i have installed jessie with the DI RC2 iso. I've chosen XFCE as my desktop, but i can't get the right resolution. it's 1024x768, but the native resolution of the screen is 1920x1080 ... what do i have to do to fix this? |
| 15:22.29 | valdyn | eptalon: its the same block because it *still* has wrong data on it |
| 15:22.37 | valdyn | eptalon: so repair the fs |
| 15:22.55 | eptalon | valdyn: and then? |
| 15:23.02 | eptalon | valdyn: delete the block? |
| 15:23.05 | valdyn | eptalon: what xfs sees is that data broken while in memory |
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| 15:23.25 | alfatau | valdyn: for security and consistency reasons the best thing to do i think is to switch to a minimal runlevel, where i can safely unmount filesystems and avoid failures in transactions started by other people connected to the server. obviously, if the only service involved wolud be smb, it's simpler to shutdown smbd/nmbd, but actually the server has a quite complex service configuration. i think it's better to avoid stopping/restarting singl |
| 15:23.27 | valdyn | eptalon: repair the fs means run "xfs_repair" (with the correct options to fix errors ) |
| 15:23.28 | alfatau | e services as i don't exactly know which resources they are using. |
| 15:23.46 | keltim | eptalon, make sure your md array (or is it hardware?) does not have any inconsistencies before running fsck on the fs |
| 15:24.16 | keltim | what I mean to say is make sure they really are just filesystem errors |
| 15:24.37 | eptalon | keltim: my md array is consistent |
| 15:25.10 | keltim | eptalon, I'd do a dryrun of fsck first in any case |
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| 15:26.25 | eptalon | ok, brb |
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| 15:31.35 | alfatau | valdyn: ok solved. the server is actually connected to ipmi. |
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| 15:34.04 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | Where can I find the debian 4 source and install cd? |
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| 15:34.23 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | THere was some jigdo link. |
| 15:34.35 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | I have never used jigdo. |
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| 15:37.45 | blackflow | j4s0nmchr1st0s: I won't even ask what for, but here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 15:41.21 | frankS2 | How can i figure out which build options a package has been built with? |
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| 15:46.06 | Deele | Please, help me setting up proftp. I have installed it and it works with unix login. I added new virtual user under user www-data and group www-data, changed www-data user and group IDs to higher than 1000 |
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| 15:46.23 | Deele | And successfully connected to server, but directory listing fails |
| 15:46.26 | mycae | frankS2, https://buildd.debian.org/ |
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| 15:46.59 | mycae | alternatively look in the debian/rules for any flags passed to configure/cmake |
| 15:47.17 | mycae | wont cover the buildd config though (eg -O level, etc) |
| 15:47.24 | blackflow | Deele: www-data is a default system user for httpd. I'm not sure giving it ftp access is a wise idea. |
| 15:47.37 | frankS2 | mycae: apt-get source will give me the debian/rules ? |
| 15:47.41 | mycae | yes |
| 15:48.07 | Deele | blackflow, but how do I configure, so that that ftpuser is able to access www-data owned files? |
| 15:48.08 | frankS2 | ➜ binutils-2.24 find . -name rules. no results |
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| 15:48.50 | arcsky | hi, i did plugin a usb drive and it shows only 2.5MB and its a 16GB drive. how can i solve that? |
| 15:48.54 | blackflow | Deele: I'd suggest using a separate user:group dedicated for the application or site |
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| 15:49.05 | frankS2 | mycae: doesnt seem to include it :S |
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| 15:49.13 | mycae | i dont know how you extracted that. It should be there. It is in their VCS |
| 15:49.14 | mycae | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doko/binutils/pkg-2.25-debian/view/head:/rules |
| 15:49.40 | blackflow | Deele: also, consider using SFTP and not FTP |
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| 15:50.02 | TomVv | please add @depricated to ftp |
| 15:50.07 | mycae | I got the VCS url from here :https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/binutils.html |
| 15:50.26 | frankS2 | mycae: apt-get source extracted it for me |
| 15:50.35 | mycae | im a few minutes behind you |
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| 15:51.04 | mycae | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.45 | mycae | the binutils rules file is pretty intense. |
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| 15:52.31 | Deele | blackflow, sorry for newbie question, but how do I make so that when connected via sftp, that user sees only specific www root directory? |
| 15:52.41 | mycae | frankS2, double check your find command, or look manually |
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| 15:52.50 | mycae | it should be there, and I can see it |
| 15:52.50 | Deele | blackflow, the same as with ftp |
| 15:53.09 | mycae | otherwise, use the buildd logs. |
| 15:53.34 | blackflow | Deele: by setting up a dedicated sftp chroot just for that site or app, with dedicated user. |
| 15:53.36 | frankS2 | mycae: you used find in the directory that apt-get source extracted for you as well? |
| 15:53.46 | mycae | yes. Works for me - sorry |
| 15:53.54 | frankS2 | weird |
| 15:54.16 | mycae | all packages must have a debian/rules |
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| 15:54.23 | mycae | (source packages) |
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| 15:58.16 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | blackflow: Where is the link to download it? |
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| 16:01.17 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | Isn't there a jigdo link surviving? |
| 16:01.20 | blackflow | j4s0nmchr1st0s: https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:02.22 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | blackflow: notice the other links are all gone they just leave checksums |
| 16:03.15 | j4s0nmchr1st0s | How does this jigdo work? |
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| 16:05.21 | blackflow | j4s0nmchr1st0s: netinst ISO is available |
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| 16:07.51 | Deele | blackflow, I'm following guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTyY3in5r6Q |
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| 16:08.39 | Deele | blackflow, I do not understand if I need "debootstrap" |
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| 16:10.03 | blackflow | Deele: you need "chrooted SFTP", that's different |
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| 16:14.14 | blackflow | Deele: in short, you create a user for your site/webapp. You configure SSH to allow chrooted SFTP to users' home dirs so they can't cd out of it. You configure ssh to force sftp so they can't ssh in and wander around. And you configure your site/app for access to that user's home dir. |
| 16:14.42 | Deele | blackflow, I'm following guide blackflow, http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/ |
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| 16:15.17 | Deele | blackflow, I do not want to disable default sftp behavior, is it possible? |
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| 16:15.36 | blackflow | what is "default sftp behavior"? |
| 16:16.05 | Deele | "You should instruct sshd to use the internal-sftp for sftp (instead of the default sftp-server)." |
| 16:16.50 | blackflow | Deele: so why don't you wanna do that? |
| 16:16.58 | Deele | I want restrictions only to specific users |
| 16:17.17 | Deele | sorry, I may not understand everything correctly, I'm guessing |
| 16:17.46 | blackflow | Deele: then create a special group just for them, and configure separately in sshd_config with "Match Group" directive. |
| 16:18.17 | blackflow | Deele: more specifically, "ForceCommand internal-sftp" just for that particular "Match Group" group. |
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| 16:20.38 | blackflow | Deele: I guess I don't have to warn you to be careful with sshd_config, as introducing a problem may leave you without being able to ssh into your machine. |
| 16:20.52 | knittl | I'm having trouble writing a makefile (or understanding the syntax). I have the following: file1.png file2.png file3.png: %.png: %.svg: \n inkscape -e "$@" "$<" |
| 16:20.55 | Deele | :( |
| 16:21.03 | knittl | I thought it would call inkscape for each file |
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| 16:21.07 | knittl | but it only does so for the first one |
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| 16:22.57 | shay_shay | knittl: you might have better luck in #bash |
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| 16:25.57 | knittl | shay_shay: ok, thanks |
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| 16:31.05 | Deele | blackflow, should I change existing "Subsystem" config in ssh_config or add everything to bottom of file? |
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| 16:31.48 | blackflow | Deele: I don't think you have to change the global Subsystem sftp, just ForceCommand for individual matched group. But TEST that first. |
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| 16:32.28 | shay_shay | on a machine you have physical access to first^ |
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| 16:33.16 | jrtappers | Hello, is there a setting for curl that sets the CA file path for all users? |
| 16:33.39 | Deele | I don't hav ephysical access to any unix machine, I'm win guy :( |
| 16:33.44 | blackflow | shay_shay: or remote where you can afford downtime, rescue, and/or KVM access :) |
| 16:34.06 | shay_shay | blackflow: |
| 16:34.42 | shay_shay | effictively physical access. e.g. a VM |
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| 16:34.58 | blackflow | reboot to a rescue env works fine too. |
| 16:35.17 | shay_shay | yis |
| 16:35.35 | teraflop | jrtappers: may be just an alias 'alias curl='curl --cacert /etc/ca-certificates/extracted/bundle.crt' |
| 16:35.54 | blackflow | but, in majority of cases it can be tested keeping an ssh connection open and reloading (not restarting) sshd to test changes. but, be prepared to reboot to rescue mode or have KVM in case that fails. |
| 16:36.15 | jrtappers | Is there a bashrc for everyone? |
| 16:36.26 | shay_shay | you keep one user logged in and then with that user change the config and restart the service |
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| 16:36.39 | shay_shay | and then test logging in with that user or other users |
| 16:36.54 | teraflop | jrtappers: /etc/profile ? |
| 16:37.01 | Pinchiukas | This is weird... I only get a choice of XFS on the Jessie RC1 network initrd... |
| 16:37.03 | shay_shay | but if you lost connection to that one user at the same time as had an invalid config you would be locked out |
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| 16:37.23 | blackflow | shay_shay: right. hence the rescue/KVM on standby :) |
| 16:37.46 | jrtappers | teraflop, Thanks, is this a common curl bug? |
| 16:37.48 | shay_shay | just repeating everything blackflow says |
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| 16:38.26 | teraflop | jrtappers: I dont know |
| 16:38.46 | jrtappers | On the remote access issue, netcat might be an option |
| 16:39.14 | teraflop | jrtappers: may be related to ca certs not really curl, i do not know |
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| 16:39.35 | jrtappers | teraflop, thanks |
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| 16:39.39 | blackflow | jrtappers: what, you're getting invalid cert for an actually valid cert? |
| 16:39.43 | teraflop | jrtappers: np |
| 16:40.20 | jrtappers | blackflow, I get curl: (77) error setting certificate verify locations: |
| 16:40.20 | jrtappers | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.20 | jrtappers | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.17 | teraflop | jrtappers: checked that path? may be the cert path changed |
| 16:41.54 | Deele | blackflow, can you please look on actions I prepared and make changes if required? http://collabedit.com/cvsep |
| 16:42.43 | jrtappers | teraflop, It looks at /etc/pki, which is used on redhat, not the debian path /etc/ssl |
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| 16:44.26 | teraflop | jrtappers: mine (curl) works ok on wheezy |
| 16:44.47 | blackflow | Deele: sorry I can't because I'm on my way out now. Maybe someone else can help you more. |
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| 16:46.24 | dryaderich | I've got a HP M1212nf MFP, installed the drivers from HP and finally I can scan with scanimage, but not with hp-scan. Unfortunately, I need both programs, as hp-scan is only able to generade PDFs when scanning from the document tray and scanimage will only scan 75dpi when scanning from flatbed. |
| 16:46.46 | dryaderich | It works totally painless on another Debian, btw. |
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| 16:49.28 | dryaderich | I can probe it, and hp-check only gives me some optional GUI-Packages, which I won't install, as it is a CLI only installation. |
| 16:49.42 | Deele | Plase, help me setting up chrooted ssh. I'm currently preparing guide for self, what changes should be made, so it should work. Please, read through these steps and make changes, if they are required http://collabedit.com/cvsep Note that I do not want to lose remote access to that machine, cause I do not have physical access to it. |
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| 16:52.15 | shay_shay | wonders who put install schroot in there |
| 16:52.23 | Deele | I did |
| 16:52.27 | shay_shay | oh :D |
| 16:53.04 | Deele | I'm doing this first time, saw that in one video, dunno if that is required thou |
| 16:54.22 | Deele | shay_shay, what do you think about that approach? |
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| 16:54.28 | shay_shay | well if you want them to have a full enviroment when they login ssh... but when they're judt doing sftp thats just file transfer and in that context ChrootDirectory /home only allows them to get stuff from their own home |
| 16:55.00 | shay_shay | but if you disable them from ssh you wont need to worry about them getting out afaik |
| 16:55.02 | Deele | I want for some users full ssh environment, like it is now |
| 16:55.05 | shay_shay | oh |
| 16:55.10 | Deele | but some users leave as sftp users only |
| 16:55.29 | shay_shay | ok then schroot might be the best idea for those users you are giving shell access to |
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| 16:55.37 | shay_shay | depends on how well you know them |
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| 16:55.57 | jhutchins | Deele: Sounds like you should run through the setup on a local machine first, make sure it works the way you expect. |
| 16:56.14 | shay_shay | yeah, make a VM and test everything |
| 16:56.16 | Deele | shay_shay, I did not quite understood what are you saying |
| 16:56.32 | shay_shay | Deele: disregard the part about knowing them |
| 16:56.48 | Deele | is schroot totally different and not required here? |
| 16:56.58 | Deele | I was starting with one guide and moved to another |
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| 17:01.53 | shay_shay | Deele: is this system (remote system) bare metal or is it a VM? if its bare metal then you might also consider LXC |
| 17:02.08 | Deele | what is that? |
| 17:03.07 | shay_shay | somewhere inbetween a vm and a chroot |
| 17:03.19 | Deele | I don't really know, guys from client gave me access and I'm now preparing it so that I can give sftp details for my collegues, so they can send files to that server, without being able to access whole server |
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| 17:09.10 | shay_shay | Deele:gist/pastie this: ls -1 /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 17:09.44 | Deele | cannot access |
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| 17:09.50 | Deele | no such dir |
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| 17:11.11 | shay_shay | file /proc/user_beancounters |
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| 17:14.18 | shay_shay | on openvz that file will exist |
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| 17:23.09 | jhutchins | Deele: You don't need any external packages to restrict ssh to sftp. |
| 17:23.38 | jhutchins | Deele: I would stick with the OpenSSH documentation rather than third-party videos. |
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| 17:23.50 | jhutchins | (How do you make a video of a text config file?) |
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| 17:32.22 | gnox | Hey guys, lets say I want to install one (just one) package from unstable sid in my jessie. How can i do that? |
| 17:32.52 | gnox | First, I have to add sid to my sources.list - thats obvious |
| 17:33.02 | gnox | but then? |
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| 17:33.14 | polyphagia | you can't do that gnox |
| 17:33.40 | gnox | polyphagia, why? |
| 17:33.42 | shay_shay | most of the time its better to put a sid "deb-src" in your sources IMO, you can compile the package against your system |
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| 17:34.18 | polyphagia | gnox: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
| 17:34.38 | shay_shay | !tell gnox about ssb |
| 17:34.39 | gnox | lol @ FrankenDebian |
| 17:35.49 | shay_shay | apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get -b source foo |
| 17:36.05 | shay_shay | dpkg -i foo*.deb |
| 17:36.05 | dpkg | package foo*.deb is already installed |
| 17:36.13 | dimitry7 | hey guys |
| 17:36.21 | dimitry7 | how can I log ALL commands after a user does sudo ?? |
| 17:36.34 | dimitry7 | I want all the commands they execute as root |
| 17:38.12 | jhutchins | dimitry7: I believe that's the default. |
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| 17:38.59 | shay_shay | gnox: this also applies to installing from ubuntu PPA, add it as a deb-src and then build-dep and source -b |
| 17:39.17 | jhutchins | dimitry7: You do need to lock them out of running su, shells like bash, or -i |
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| 17:40.23 | gnox | ok - that FrankenDebian thing seems to make sense to me |
| 17:40.38 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, no, /var/log/syslog shows when they login as root, but not what they do after they are root |
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| 17:41.09 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I want them to login as root, I just want to keep track of what they do as root |
| 17:41.33 | dimitry7 | i set: Defaults logfile=/var/log/sudo.log |
| 17:41.39 | dimitry7 | in /etc/sudoers |
| 17:41.40 | gnox | shay_shay, that means, that I can add some PPA's and then just compile those on my system? |
| 17:41.40 | jhutchins | dimitry7: That's what sudo is for. |
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| 17:41.54 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I know, so where do I see everycommand? |
| 17:41.55 | g00se | Why let them log in as root? |
| 17:41.59 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Don't let them log in as root. As root they can do anything, including modify logs. |
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| 17:42.11 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I know root can do that |
| 17:42.15 | dimitry7 | I want to keep track |
| 17:42.18 | dimitry7 | just that |
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| 17:42.33 | dimitry7 | is it or isn't possible? |
| 17:43.02 | shay_shay | gnox: correct. the procedure is the same as compiling from sid like that dpkg factoid I sent you (check pm from dpkg). heres another example: https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA |
| 17:43.10 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Bash keeps a history file but the user can modify/delete that. |
| 17:43.30 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I know it can be modified/delete |
| 17:43.40 | dimitry7 | I still want to log that |
| 17:43.57 | shay_shay | you can set xattr so it can only be appended |
| 17:44.01 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Use sudo, lock it down. |
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| 17:44.11 | dimitry7 | I use udo |
| 17:44.12 | dimitry7 | sudo |
| 17:44.19 | dimitry7 | I want sudo logs! |
| 17:45.00 | g00se | And if they've logged in as root? |
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| 17:45.36 | shay_shay | yeah youll have to disable sudo su |
| 17:46.03 | dimitry7 | disable sudo su? |
| 17:46.05 | dimitry7 | why? |
| 17:46.20 | dimitry7 | I want them to use sudo, so that I keep track of every command executed as root |
| 17:46.27 | dimitry7 | just as debian sudo guide says |
| 17:46.41 | shay_shay | well if you construct a way to log all sudo commands then they could bypass it by doing "sudo su" |
| 17:46.51 | dimitry7 | I've said I've set up logfile in sudoers file, but the file doesn't have everything, I run commands at will and they don't appear there |
| 17:47.13 | dimitry7 | shay_shay, mmm, okay I will do sudo -i |
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| 17:47.45 | Pinchiukas | When exactly does the kernel remount the root filesystem to / during the boot? |
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| 17:49.00 | Deele | jhutchins, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTyY3in5r6Q |
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| 17:51.42 | jhutchins | dimitry7: If you do sudo -i, sudo bash, or sudo su further commands won't be logged. |
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| 17:53.23 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Best practice is to only allow specific commands. |
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| 17:54.47 | teraflop | dimitry7: may be using the same histfile for all the users, but I dont know if this is sane enough |
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| 17:58.11 | toad_ | is building 32-bit wine on 64-bit jessie more realistic than on 64-bit wheezy? |
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| 18:00.01 | centrx | toad_, it is more life-like |
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| 18:00.15 | toad_ | :) |
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| 18:01.41 | toad_ | a lot of this seems to be down to poor multiarch support in libraries in wheezy ... are at least some of these issues fixed in jessie? |
| 18:01.43 | jhutchins | dimitry7: You can also look at auditd, which can track activity on your system more closely. |
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| 18:03.39 | centrx | toad_, what problems did you encounter compiling 32-bit wine on wheezy? |
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| 18:06.31 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, yes I tried auditd |
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| 18:06.40 | dimitry7 | I will restrict the commands used |
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| 18:07.27 | jhutchins | dimitry7: http://serverfault.com/questions/470755/log-all-commands-run-by-admins-on-production-servers |
| 18:08.16 | toad_ | echo 'INPUT(libncurses.so.5 -ltinfo)' >libncurses.so |
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| 18:08.19 | toad_ | what does this line do? |
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| 18:09.43 | jhutchins | creates the file libncurses.so containing the text between the quote marks. |
| 18:11.04 | shay_shay | !tell gnox about ppa |
| 18:11.55 | toad_ | jhutchins: yes but ... ? |
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| 18:12.18 | toad_ | some sort of format extension? |
| 18:12.33 | trampel | i'd like to add some nameserver(s) to use before defaulting to comcast. i used to accomplish this by editing /etc/resolv.conf. now this is apparently re-written with each boot? any clues where i should be adding these now? |
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| 18:13.41 | jhutchins | !resolvconf |
| 18:13.42 | dpkg | methinks resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
| 18:14.15 | trampel | thank you jhutchins ! |
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| 18:50.47 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
| 18:51.22 | HD|Laptop | assuming I have two images of ext4 filesystems, how do I diff them for file content / directory differences as well as metadata (access rights, ACLs) differences? |
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| 18:58.48 | crhylove | I have a repo that is pointed at the wrong URL. It's not listed in sources.list. Where do I fix this? |
| 19:00.04 | TomVv | crhylove: Check the conf files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 19:00.21 | TomVv | correction, .list files |
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| 19:01.07 | crhylove | Thnx. |
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| 19:04.17 | trampel | HD|Laptop: i'm unaware of a single utility that can do that. so i'd say that you're looking at dividing the task (of comparing two partitions) into a recursive run of 'diff' and for your "metadata" a compare of two recursive "ls -l" listings |
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| 19:13.58 | crhylove | Just got a hard crash install debian 8 RC2 in proxmox via the non-graphical installer. |
| 19:14.05 | crhylove | graphical installer seems to work fine (so far) |
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| 19:14.59 | crhylove | twas right before selection of timezone. FYI |
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| 19:19.44 | Kette | Hey guys. Can anyone tell me how I add the 3 DVD's to my sources.list? Using apt-cdrom forces me to manually mount each DVD :( |
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| 19:21.17 | james102 | What is a good wireless adapter I can get that will have driver software compatible with future versions of debian, i.e. the driver software is future proof and doesn't stop being compatible any time soon |
| 19:21.46 | valdyn | james102: any adapter that works now |
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| 19:21.55 | james102 | what do you mean? |
| 19:22.17 | james102 | i got one at fry's but i had to backport it because it didnt work with 7.8 |
| 19:22.22 | james102 | i dont wana do that |
| 19:22.29 | valdyn | james102: drivers dont break in future versions, if the driver is in the kernel |
| 19:22.34 | james102 | o |
| 19:22.39 | james102 | so the kernel is the only thing |
| 19:22.42 | james102 | i have to worry about? |
| 19:23.04 | ompaul | Kette: mount them put the contents into the /var/cache/apt/archives? really without knowing more about your use case no idea |
| 19:23.10 | valdyn | james102: well, if you need a vendor kernel now, then you dont know if it will ever be in the kernel, and vendors never support things forever |
| 19:23.26 | valdyn | james102: vendor *driver* even |
| 19:23.42 | james102 | lost me =/ im pretty dumb lol |
| 19:24.04 | james102 | im just looking for something cheap and easy to install that works' |
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| 19:24.15 | james102 | for debian 7.8 |
| 19:24.32 | Kette | ompaul: so I have to copy all the data? I kinda just want them to point to /media/dvd1/ , /media/dvd2/ ... |
| 19:24.38 | valdyn | james102: then your problem is that you need something ancient, not support in the future |
| 19:24.39 | mtn | james102: if it works now, there is a very good chance it will continue to work for years. but. no one can predict the future, as far as I know |
| 19:25.11 | valdyn | james102: debian 7.8 + kernel from backports, thats more reasonable |
| 19:25.38 | crhylove | Liking the apt update apt upgrade capabilities in Jessie. |
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| 19:25.41 | james102 | i have $50 to spend, but the cheaper the better, it would be for this desktop: http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01570947 |
| 19:25.48 | james102 | im clueless* |
| 19:25.56 | valdyn | james102: usb? |
| 19:25.58 | crhylove | but why no apt autoremove or apt autoclean? |
| 19:26.00 | ompaul | Kette: you either have them on disk in which case what's the harm in putting them where they will be used or something else |
| 19:26.00 | james102 | yah |
| 19:26.06 | james102 | wireless usb adapter |
| 19:26.31 | ompaul | Kette: also know that apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade will hit the internet to download |
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| 19:27.23 | valdyn | james102: if you dont need to create an ap and are fine with using a kernel from backports: EDIMAX EW-7811UN Wireless USB |
| 19:27.38 | james102 | valdyn how about this |
| 19:27.39 | james102 | http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050108&p_id=8072&seq=1&format=2 |
| 19:27.44 | james102 | ? |
| 19:28.29 | valdyn | james102: probably, i cant see the chipset |
| 19:28.52 | Kette | Yeah apt-get upgrade will hit the internet, but when I want to install some big binaries I'd like to have it taken from disk coz my connection suxx |
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| 19:29.01 | james102 | for my desktop? |
| 19:29.04 | james102 | Northbridge chipset: Intel G33 Express Southbridge chipset: Intel ICH9R |
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| 19:29.23 | valdyn | james102: no, the chip in that wlan adapter |
| 19:29.37 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.38 | valdyn | uh |
| 19:29.58 | james102 | yah |
| 19:29.58 | valdyn | it will most probably work, but "realtek" is not specific, so i cant tell |
| 19:30.52 | valdyn | james102: and you will need firmware-realtek and a kernel from backports, most probably |
| 19:31.01 | Kette | I was just wondering if I could somehow make an entry like "deb File:///media/dvd1/ ... " work |
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| 19:31.58 | james102 | this is the one you suggested? |
| 19:31.58 | james102 | http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-150Mbps-Raspberry-Supports/dp/B003MTTJOY |
| 19:31.59 | james102 | ? |
| 19:32.02 | valdyn | Kette: of course |
| 19:32.16 | valdyn | james102: yea |
| 19:32.38 | valdyn | james102: that might be the same thing actually as the one you found |
| 19:33.58 | valdyn | james102: it works, obviously it cannot have an above average range, and you cannot create an ap |
| 19:34.10 | james102 | whats an "ap" sorry |
| 19:34.11 | valdyn | james102: (strictly speaking you could make an ap, but its messy) |
| 19:34.18 | valdyn | james102: access point |
| 19:35.29 | james102 | i just need it cause i cant drill through walls to plug an eithernet cable in the back of my desktop[ |
| 19:35.58 | james102 | anyway thanks for the advice im gona get the 1 you suggested |
| 19:36.14 | james102 | though where do i find the driver software for it? or does it come already installed? |
| 19:36.44 | valdyn | james102: i told you, get the 3.16 kernel from backports, install firmware-realtek from backports, that is all |
| 19:36.53 | james102 | ok thx |
| 19:37.29 | valdyn | james102: I dont really know if it works with the stock 7.8 kernel. It might, i haven't tried. |
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| 19:41.55 | james102 | alright thx |
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| 19:53.50 | linuxthefish | hi, is there any way to get around the error "ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable" on 64bit debian? |
| 19:54.44 | centrx | linuxthefish, Use multiarch. ia32-libs is the old way |
| 19:54.48 | centrx | !multiarch |
| 19:54.48 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 19:55.04 | linuxthefish | oh thanks, multiarch worked |
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| 19:55.37 | bhuvankrishna | were can I get info about how to install xulrunner? |
| 19:55.46 | bhuvankrishna | I think xulrunner is discontinued in debian |
| 19:56.06 | bhuvankrishna | apt-get search wont give me any results |
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| 19:56.41 | bazhang | ,v xulrunner |
| 19:56.42 | judd | No package named 'xulrunner' was found in i386. |
| 19:56.57 | bazhang | why would you need it |
| 19:57.03 | bhuvankrishna | for pencil |
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| 19:58.18 | centrx | bazhang, There are xulrunner packages, with the version number |
| 19:58.25 | centrx | bazhang, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xulrunner |
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| 19:58.42 | bhuvankrishna | I am running debian sid |
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| 19:59.00 | bhuvankrishna | the last package i think is xulrunner-24 |
| 19:59.10 | centrx | yeah |
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| 20:00.03 | bhuvankrishna | is there a way I can run pencil with iceweasel itself? I installed iceweasel-dev. |
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| 20:00.55 | centrx | bhuvankrishna, It's possible it's now in the iceweasel package proper |
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| 20:01.21 | centrx | https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xulrunner/news/20100828T120907Z.html |
| 20:01.24 | jasabella | how do i uninstall openjdk and all of its components? what packages do i remove? :) |
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| 20:01.47 | centrx | jasabella, dpkg -l |grep openjdk |
| 20:01.49 | bhuvankrishna | centrx, ok so how do I run it? |
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| 20:02.00 | parabyte | hello |
| 20:02.03 | centrx | jasabella, you can use the autoremove option to clean up dependencies |
| 20:02.12 | centrx | bhuvankrishna, I don't know, type xulrunner ? |
| 20:02.23 | bhuvankrishna | naaa thats not working :) |
| 20:02.31 | parabyte | I am currently using a 286 machine, and wondered if anyone here could point me in the direction to trying out these new fangled Debian software i been hearing about |
| 20:02.35 | parabyte | i am a die hard linux user |
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| 20:02.40 | bhuvankrishna | command not found |
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| 20:02.44 | jasabella | i dont even want the jre |
| 20:03.07 | bazhang | what new fangling would that be |
| 20:03.12 | centrx | jasabella, you can also look in aptitude, go to the 'java' section and remove everything |
| 20:03.16 | centrx | jasabella, or dpkg -l |grep jre |
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| 20:05.16 | jasabella | i'm in synaptic right now :) |
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| 20:06.05 | centrx | ok yeah |
| 20:06.17 | bhuvankrishna | centrx, thanks for the page. I think I need to figure out how to run xul based apps |
| 20:06.17 | jasabella | i think you're right though, og into the Sections and uninstall everyuthing under the java section |
| 20:06.23 | bhuvankrishna | on debian |
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| 20:07.56 | jasabella | hmmm i'll kill libreoffice at the same time# |
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| 20:21.55 | udevd | how do I remove 'unused' flag from the packages that are (I don't why) marked so? every time I run apt, I get the message that >following packages were installed automatically blah blah, want to get rid of it |
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| 20:22.05 | udevd | don't know* |
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| 20:23.08 | centrx | udevd, http://serverfault.com/a/87952 |
| 20:23.34 | centrx | actually I guess that's the opposite |
| 20:24.13 | udevd | okay, but there's apt-mark |
| 20:24.16 | udevd | thanks :) |
| 20:24.23 | centrx | unmarkauto |
| 20:24.24 | centrx | yes |
| 20:24.26 | centrx | exactly |
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| 20:28.55 | udevd | okay well |
| 20:28.59 | udevd | there was no simple command |
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| 20:29.28 | udevd | I just used the > for in in $(echo "... packages list..."); do apt-get install $i; done |
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| 20:29.50 | udevd | prolly not the cleanest solution, but it werks |
| 20:29.51 | centrx | oh yes, if you want to mark all of them you need a little script |
| 20:30.14 | centrx | I just do: apt-get install <packagename> if I want to mark something as manually installed |
| 20:30.30 | udevd | that's what i've done :P |
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| 20:31.08 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I just created three software RAID1 partitions identically on my two WD Black 3TB. I made /, swap and /home. Now I can't install thge boot loader. help :( |
| 20:31.14 | udevd | i don't know why, but whole gnome was marked so when i installed awesome |
| 20:31.19 | udevd | well, perhaps just jessie things |
| 20:32.24 | introom | hi |
| 20:32.30 | introom | I have a programm named "xdg-user-dirs-update" |
| 20:32.30 | tytan | hi |
| 20:32.45 | introom | I'd like to know what package contains it. |
| 20:33.21 | centrx | introom, dpkg -S xdg-etc |
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| 20:34.08 | bazhang | ,v xdg-user-dirs |
| 20:34.09 | judd | Package: xdg-user-dirs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.13-2; wheezy: 0.14-1; jessie: 0.15-2; sid: 0.15-2 |
| 20:34.20 | bazhang | that^ |
| 20:35.23 | introom | it turns out vim-gtk depends on that, and is automatically installed. |
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| 20:35.55 | introom | is there any termianl vim with clipboard support but doesn't rdepend on gui? |
| 20:36.06 | centrx | tytan, "can't install" is too vague. Is there an error message? |
| 20:36.09 | centrx | !doesn't work |
| 20:36.09 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 20:37.01 | centrx | introom, Are you using X at all? |
| 20:37.46 | introom | centrx: use xrdp, with openbox |
| 20:38.02 | introom | and I seldom use GUI |
| 20:38.18 | tytan | centrx It just tells me it can't install it on /dev/sda |
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| 20:38.45 | centrx | introom, openbox is in the GUI, regular vim doesn't require a gui |
| 20:39.22 | centrx | introom, install 'vim' or 'vim-nox' |
| 20:39.32 | karlpinc | tytan: You can get to logs on vt Alt-F2 or Alt-F3, I forget. That might have more detail. Where do you want to install the boot loader? |
| 20:39.35 | centrx | introom, (but neither uses X) |
| 20:39.38 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 20:39.38 | dpkg | from memory, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
| 20:39.55 | introom | centrx: I suspect the above two is compiled with -clipboard. |
| 20:40.30 | tytan | karlpinc now I made a partition for /boot. I want it to be there but I can't specify which one it is. /boot is software RAID1 too btw |
| 20:41.35 | karlpinc | tytan: First, the boot loader must be installed somewhere where your boot firmware (BIOS/etc.) can find it. This usually means in front of the partition table on a physical drive. |
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| 20:42.12 | tytan | I wonder what I did wrong. I bet it was while partitioning |
| 20:42.39 | karlpinc | tytan: I don't recall whether grub can boot from a software raided device. Are you sure this will work? |
| 20:42.55 | tytan | No, I'm not |
| 20:43.17 | karlpinc | tytan: Lets look. |
| 20:43.30 | tytan | But if one of the two array fails and the one with the boot loader on it fails the second drive won't boot :/ will it? |
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| 20:44.28 | karlpinc | tytan: If you're doing raid 1 then no problem. That just mirrors so you could boot from either. However, you'd need a separate line in the grub config to allow you to tell grub when booting which to use. |
| 20:44.44 | karlpinc | tytan: So, raid1? |
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| 20:45.08 | tytan | I made /, Swap and /home RAID1 partitions |
| 20:45.33 | karlpinc | tytan: and /boot? |
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| 20:45.46 | tytan | It's RAID1, too |
| 20:46.17 | tytan | Is /boot really where grub is supposed to be? |
| 20:46.25 | tethra | yes |
| 20:46.28 | karlpinc | tytan: Then you don't have a problem. |
| 20:47.07 | karlpinc | tytan: Grub will read the 2nd stage boot loader from the filesystem, IIRC. Then it needs to read the kernel, which is also in /boot. |
| 20:47.37 | tytan | Ok, I'll try that. Have a nice day, everyone |
| 20:47.51 | karlpinc | tytan: So, you only need to get grub installed into the front of the drive (the first stage boot loader). |
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| 20:48.06 | karlpinc | tytan: (Or somewhere else the bios/etc. can find it.) |
| 20:48.26 | karlpinc | tytan: Which brings us back to your error message. |
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| 20:49.08 | tytan | I need to go now. Sorry :( |
| 20:49.13 | tytan | Thank you for helping |
| 20:49.42 | karlpinc | Come back anytime. |
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| 20:50.23 | karlpinc | (Humm. Looks like grub can now boot from raid devices.) |
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| 20:57.28 | petn-randall | karlpinc: "now" being for at least 4 years ;) |
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| 21:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | time is relative! |
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| 21:04.02 | hassoon | to what |
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| 21:29.46 | NetEcho | how would I go about downgrading my python from 2.7.9 to 2.7.8 with Apt? |
| 21:30.16 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 21:30.16 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:31.44 | LMNOP | ditch 2 already |
| 21:31.48 | LMNOP | ... |
| 21:32.17 | mtn | NetEcho: you can try uninstalling one and installing the other, but things may break |
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| 21:32.29 | NetEcho | mtn at this point things are already broken heh |
| 21:32.47 | mtn | NetEcho: full speed ahead then! |
| 21:33.40 | centrx | NetEcho, It is not impossible, using snapshot.debian.net, but you should probably just upgrade your code |
| 21:33.46 | centrx | up > down |
| 21:34.00 | NetEcho | centrx it's not my code |
| 21:34.12 | centrx | What is it? |
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| 21:34.35 | NetEcho | there is a bug with python 2.7.9 that breaks SSL certificate verification for certain methods of opening urls and it's broken a script I use for my PVR |
| 21:35.12 | NetEcho | so either I have to downgrade somehow to get it working again or ditch SSL all together which means I spent money on my certificate for nothing heh |
| 21:35.26 | baum | question, during the installation there comes a step called "Install GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" - however during partitioning i already created a /boot partition - what should i do now? |
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| 21:35.56 | baum | (should i enter something or just skip this step?) |
| 21:35.56 | shay_shay | Baum select the device which /boot is on |
| 21:36.05 | mtn | baum: generally it goes to the mbr, so /dev/sda or similar |
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| 21:36.21 | baum | mtn: selecting it as mbr throws an error |
| 21:36.35 | mtn | baum: and what might the error be? |
| 21:36.35 | baum | shay_shay: i tried it - it didn't seem to work |
| 21:37.16 | baum | mtn: hang on |
| 21:37.25 | g00se | What makes you think it didn't work? |
| 21:37.50 | baum | Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda |
| 21:38.01 | baum | Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed |
| 21:38.06 | shay_shay | You can't skip this step, you need to install your boot loader somewhere |
| 21:38.08 | baum | this is a fatal error |
| 21:38.17 | mtn | baum: which installer? |
| 21:38.29 | NetEcho | mtn I see what you mean by things will break lol |
| 21:38.38 | mtn | NetEcho: :) |
| 21:38.48 | NetEcho | it wants to unintall all the apps I'm trying to fix |
| 21:38.48 | baum | mtn: CD 1 USB/ISO image |
| 21:38.56 | mtn | baum: what is the iso name? |
| 21:39.23 | mtn | baum: wheezy? jessie? etc. |
| 21:39.37 | baum | mtn: debian-7.8.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 21:39.50 | mtn | baum: very strange error then |
| 21:40.30 | baum | yep....and pretty frustrating - what could be the cause? maybe it's the hdd format? |
| 21:41.01 | baum | or what could it be? |
| 21:41.08 | baum | i'm pretty clueless.....=/ |
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| 21:41.38 | mtn | baum: sorry, no idea. never heard of an error like it |
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| 21:42.33 | baum | LILO can't be installed either |
| 21:42.37 | shay_shay | Maybe you gave it an impossible situation somehow. It would be useful to see the partition layout |
| 21:42.55 | baum | strange thing is - grub seemed to run fine with ubuntu |
| 21:43.03 | mtn | baum: here are some ideas: http://askubuntu.com/questions/459620/unable-to-install-grub-in-dev-sda-when-installing-grub |
| 21:43.21 | shay_shay | Switch to another VT and see if "fdisk -l " works |
| 21:43.50 | mtn | baum: any chance the usb is being seen as sda? |
| 21:44.14 | baum | shay_shay: fdisk -l works with the installer-shell let me put the output here |
| 21:45.11 | baum | uhm *notes* WARNING: GPT detected on 'dev/sdc' ! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 21:45.12 | shay_shay | Pastebin/ gist please? |
| 21:45.17 | baum | could that be the cause? |
| 21:45.58 | baum | all my disks are using GPT |
| 21:45.58 | shay_shay | If you don't have a bios boot partition it might not be able to install |
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| 21:46.27 | shay_shay | Either that or you need a /boot/efi |
| 21:46.43 | shay_shay | If you're trying to install to a uefi computer |
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| 21:47.28 | baum | got an idea - hang on |
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| 21:54.16 | mtn | wonders if it was a good idea |
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| 21:54.52 | baum | decided to just use a bootable usb |
| 21:55.12 | baum | will put the fdisk output on pastebin in a few mins |
| 21:56.25 | shay_shay | OK |
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| 21:57.57 | g00se | likes to use a nano usb when dual booting for a zero invasive approach to booting Windows. But it sounds like what baum is doing could be a kludge ;) |
| 21:59.10 | shay_shay | He's just do I g that so he can get in and troubleshoot.it |
| 21:59.28 | shay_shay | S/Do I g/doing |
| 21:59.29 | dontknow | hi! i backported mpv package from unstable for jessie. do you i have to rebuild it again if debian jessie get updates for necessary libraries that makes mpv work? |
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| 22:00.29 | dontknow | or they are independent and i can use the current mpv unstable build that i backported for eternally? |
| 22:01.00 | centrx | dontknow, It's possible you would have to, but unlikely |
| 22:01.21 | dontknow | centrx, what do you mean? |
| 22:01.37 | centrx | dontknow, If the ABI of an underlying library changed, you would have to rebuild it |
| 22:01.56 | centrx | dontknow, but because jessie/testing and sid/unstable are closely related in Debian, it's not likely in practice |
| 22:02.26 | centrx | dontknow, Right now, jessie is frozen and late in the release cycle, so the libraries are very unlikely to change a major version/ABI version |
| 22:02.40 | baum | oh - looks like i can acess the debug logs via a local webserver - not an fdisk but i hope these are ok too |
| 22:03.11 | centrx | dontknow, Then, once jessie is released, the mpv package from unstable will migrate automatically to testing (post-jessie), so you won't have the inconsistent versions anyway |
| 22:03.55 | dontknow | centrx, so, can i declare that the mpv 0.8.3 is my stable version in jessie? |
| 22:04.08 | centrx | What do you mean by that |
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| 22:05.23 | jelly | dontknow: once jessie is released, it won't get incompatible updates for libs |
| 22:05.23 | dontknow | centrx, i mean, the freezed jessie version is 0.6.2-2. and i successfully backported the 0.8.3-1. it uses the jessie's libraries etc |
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| 22:06.04 | centrx | dontknow, Yes that's fine, you don't need to do anything more than that |
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| 22:06.45 | centrx | dontknow, If you stay with jessie after it is released, you might find there is an updated version of mpv in jessie-backports at some point |
| 22:06.55 | jelly | dontknow: if you're feeling crazy, you can install ffmpeg from unstable (it coexists well with jessie libav), and mpv built against ffmpeg, from experimental |
| 22:06.57 | centrx | dontknow, If you continue with testing, you'll sync up with the unstable version at some point |
| 22:07.14 | jelly | ,v mpv |
| 22:07.15 | judd | Package: mpv on i386 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.8.3-1; experimental: 0.8.3-1+ffmpeg; sid-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1 |
| 22:07.47 | dontknow | centrx, yes yes. i consider stay with jessie |
| 22:08.28 | dontknow | jelly, i think i don't need to do that. mpv works great with current stuff :D |
| 22:08.56 | jelly | with ffmpeg being effectively coinstallable, I'm not sure why it's not in jessie anyway |
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| 22:10.09 | jelly | dontknow: eh, for me even 0.6.2 works well |
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| 22:10.41 | dontknow | jelly, yes it works well but, it doesn't work with youtube-dl version |
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| 22:11.15 | dontknow | jelly, 0.6.2 uses equivs whatever slow as hell |
| 22:11.25 | dontknow | when watching youtube videos |
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| 22:12.00 | jelly | oh. I never tried to use it for youtube. |
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| 22:13.02 | dontknow | ok. i declare 0.8.3-1 is my stable from now on |
| 22:14.14 | centrx | So it is written, so it shall be done. |
| 22:15.02 | jelly | dontknow: it's useful to stick your own debian-version number in local backports so you know you didn't actually grab debian's binary |
| 22:15.39 | baum | sorry took me a while |
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| 22:15.47 | baum | here's the fdisk: |
| 22:15.49 | baum | http://pastebin.com/WwRLGG7R |
| 22:16.13 | jelly | 0.8.3-1~dontknow.1 |
| 22:16.52 | dontknow | jelly, right, i am gonna name it like that :p |
| 22:18.29 | baum | shay_shay: here's the fdisk: http://pastebin.com/WwRLGG7R |
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| 22:39.07 | DexterF | hi |
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| 22:40.12 | DexterF | when I compile a kernel module against deb7 3.2 kernel and an update comes in, can I just copy that module into the new modules dir? |
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| 22:41.06 | cafuego | DexterF: nope |
| 22:41.22 | cafuego | DexterF: you'll need to rebuild the module against the updated kernel headers. |
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| 22:42.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys i have install slapd on my debian server, and these ldiff and schemas are confusing |
| 22:42.10 | cafuego | When I say 'nope' I mean you *may* get away with it, but nobody will want to help try debug the unexplained crashes. |
| 22:42.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there some tool i can use to setup ldap ? |
| 22:42.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just need like three sso users, |
| 22:42.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | and set some premissions |
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| 22:45.17 | DexterF | can I have ssh on rescue kernel options? |
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| 22:48.15 | Lorduncan | im trying to set up a iptable to dont let wlan0 clients (hostapd) see the other computer conected to eth0 |
| 22:48.26 | Lorduncan | any help? |
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| 22:49.59 | Lorduncan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.47 | Lorduncan | but i dont want any client conected to wlan0 be able to see anyother computer in range 192.168.1.0 , just the gateway to access internet |
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| 23:00.08 | tethra | ponders changing all his sources from ubuntu to debian and then doing a dist-upgrade |
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| 23:00.13 | tethra | it's not madness, it's science! |
| 23:00.48 | internat | oh that sounds like it would end in tears |
| 23:01.01 | internat | totally do it! |
| 23:01.21 | sydney_untangle | That sounds interesting... |
| 23:03.34 | jhutchins | tethra: That almost certainly not work. They are different distributions, not different versions of the same things. |
| 23:03.54 | jhutchins | tethra: They use different versioning systems. |
| 23:04.29 | un214 | why does network manager build up hundreds of dhcp leases files |
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| 23:05.02 | jhutchins | un214: Which release? |
| 23:05.07 | un214 | jessie |
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| 23:06.09 | jhutchins | un214: Report it if it's not reported. That's the kind of thing that needs to be cleaned up before it gets released. |
| 23:06.22 | un214 | I reported |
| 23:06.24 | un214 | no response |
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| 23:06.46 | jhutchins | un214: WHere are you seeing them? |
| 23:06.54 | un214 | /var/lib/NetworkManager |
| 23:07.05 | jhutchins | un214: Bug reports aren't instant feedback, they need triage and analysis. |
| 23:07.53 | jhutchins | My average response time (mostly with RedHat) has been about 2 years; I had one closed in ~18 months last year. |
| 23:08.00 | tethra | jhutchins: yeah, i'm just being silly |
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| 23:08.25 | un214 | if I had any way of finding the most recent I'd nuke the others |
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| 23:08.33 | jhutchins | tethra: A lot of people have the illusion that ubuntu is just newer Debian from testing or something. |
| 23:08.34 | un214 | I had to look because somebody started a rogue DHCP server |
| 23:08.36 | tethra | i have a laptop that doesn't like jessie, but likes trusty |
| 23:08.44 | tethra | jhutchins: aye, that's what i was making a play on |
| 23:09.00 | tethra | trusty is elderly compared to jessie |
| 23:09.09 | sydney_untangle | Yes. |
| 23:09.16 | jhutchins | un214: nothing wrong with deleting them all and letting it create a new one. |
| 23:09.16 | sydney_untangle | Must not like the newer kernel. |
| 23:09.24 | tethra | yeah, it doesn't |
| 23:09.27 | un214 | besides deleting the current lease |
| 23:09.44 | tethra | dies under 3.16, runs under 3.14 |
| 23:09.51 | sydney_untangle | Odd. |
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| 23:10.03 | sydney_untangle | I usually find my stuff workign better on newer kernels. |
| 23:10.10 | sydney_untangle | Well, not this graphics card... |
| 23:10.31 | lyonsb | Oh yeah that reminds me, check this kernel for radeon crash with steam, thx. |
| 23:11.27 | Roshan | Hi all, so stupid me removed all Windows partitions when I was on debian using gparted. After rebooting, it does not even get into the grub stage. |
| 23:11.30 | lyonsb | Natch, still here. |
| 23:12.26 | Roshan | I'm using a friend's live mint usb, wondering how I should reinstall grub |
| 23:12.28 | lyonsb | EFI . . . |
| 23:12.53 | lyonsb | Install grub into the master boot record of the disk. |
| 23:13.08 | lyonsb | grub0probe can also detect your windwos partitions. |
| 23:14.20 | lyonsb | After you do that, chroot into the system and run update-grub |
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| 23:15.23 | lyonsb | Kind of assuming your not using efi here. Installing Grub to an EFI set-up might be more challenging to do manually. |
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| 23:16.44 | lyonsb | Technically, if you can get your linux partition mounted, you can do everything from the chroot if you'd like. |
| 23:18.19 | Roshan | fdisk -l /dev/sda gives me this http://tinypic.com/r/350lxti/8 |
| 23:19.36 | Roshan | I mount /dev/sda5 under /mnt, then 'sudo chroot /mnt', but grub-install is not available |
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| 23:20.25 | lyonsb | !paste |
| 23:20.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 23:20.51 | lyonsb | I recommend sprunge.us fyi, easier than taking picture rigamarole. |
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| 23:21.18 | Ooze | Hi. My server has been rebooting on its own a couple times in the past day, not sure what's up. |
| 23:21.29 | Ooze | Is there a log of just before or something? |
| 23:21.54 | Roshan | I'm using a phone for IRC, sorry for posting the fdisk result as a photo |
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| 23:22.15 | lyonsb | Assuming /dev/sda5 is your root directory, I don't know why that would owrk - - Oh, no it's fine, just trying to let you know something you can dot hat might be easier for you. |
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| 23:24.03 | lyonsb | I don't know why that wouldn't work unless /dev/sda5 isn't a root directory or grub (and grubs various helpers) are not installed to it. |
| 23:24.37 | lyonsb | (Or bash isn't resolving PATH= entries, but that's prob. not a problem) |
| 23:25.33 | Roshan | I might have /, /boot, /home on different partitions, would that affect? |
| 23:26.16 | lyonsb | Yes, you would need /boot mounted as well, if you have / mounted to /mnt, then you'll want /boot at /mnt/boot |
| 23:26.17 | lyonsb | etc. |
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| 23:27.56 | Roshan | I don't remeber which is which, is there an easy way to tell the mount points configuration? |
| 23:28.32 | lyonsb | If I were you, I'd just mount, ls, unmount remount etc . . |
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| 23:28.49 | lyonsb | So not that I know of. |
| 23:29.03 | lyonsb | is the answer to your question, baring blkid and mounting root and then examining /etc/fstab |
| 23:29.33 | lyonsb | you could blkid of course, or if your /etc/fstab was set up with dev paths rather than UUID's (but it probably uses UUIDs) |
| 23:30.01 | lyonsb | you don't have to chroot to exmaine partition contents |
| 23:30.10 | lyonsb | also, the package you'll need is probably named grub-pci |
| 23:30.15 | lyonsb | grub-pc I mean |
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| 23:31.05 | lyonsb | unless it's grub-efi -- really that's best left to you since you had a windows 7 install, you might have had grub-efi instead. |
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| 23:32.10 | Roshan | there are comments in fstab, great |
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| 23:32.31 | lyonsb | Cool. Uncommented config files are usually less clear :) |
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| 23:33.07 | Roshan | so now what do I run? simply grub-install? or with some arguments? |
| 23:33.58 | lyonsb | Try update-grub first, see if it throws errors |
| 23:35.07 | Roshan | grub-probe error cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted)? |
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| 23:35.18 | Roshan | got this error |
| 23:35.21 | lyonsb | ah, probably not, okay, we need to go over chrooting. |
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| 23:37.21 | lyonsb | So you need mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 23:37.25 | VladolfPutler | hi, is there a FreeCell game in Debian that is exactly like the Windows one? (same count and same game numbers) |
| 23:37.26 | lyonsb | and you need to do that with the proc filesystem as well. |
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| 23:37.46 | keltim | So, is it a good idea, if I wanted a custom compiled package to be more isolated, like say a language like ruby, to statically compile it? AFAIK I have heard so and understand many vendors for MacOS do just that (for example), but I've never statically compiled anything in my life and don't know if there are any pitfalls, besides the probably huge size ... |
| 23:38.01 | un214 | if you wanna static compile get uclibc |
| 23:38.06 | un214 | glibc static is huge |
| 23:38.14 | keltim | what's uclibc? |
| 23:38.19 | keltim | alternate libc? |
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| 23:39.11 | keltim | huge like 50MB bigger or 500MG bigger? |
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| 23:39.23 | Roshan | Now update-grub works, giving many device node not found output |
| 23:40.00 | lyonsb | make sure to do the same with /sys and proc |
| 23:40.02 | Roshan | ended up with 'cannot find list of partitions! (try mount /sys.)' |
| 23:40.09 | Roshan | I see |
| 23:40.15 | lyonsb | you've got to have all of them mounted. |
| 23:40.26 | lyonsb | for a rescue chroot, there's a few steps. |
| 23:40.40 | lyonsb | Try using chroot on this wiki page to see what you might need : |
| 23:40.46 | lyonsb | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Change_root |
| 23:41.04 | lyonsb | there's a lot there, the subsection labelled "Using chroot" is what I think is relevant to you for now. |
| 23:41.07 | keltim | un214, thanks, reading |
| 23:42.27 | Roshan | this time it's a lot better, but ended up with 'grub-probe error cannot find a grub drive for /dev/sdb1. check your device.map', but sdb1 is the live usb |
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| 23:42.44 | lyonsb | that's fine. |
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| 23:42.54 | lyonsb | your not installing grub to your USB stick. |
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| 23:44.00 | Roshan | I guess I can reboot the laptop now? |
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| 23:44.21 | lyonsb | so you ran update-grub and it gave a lot of messages like "found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-custom_hairy-turtle-Arm64" ? |
| 23:44.34 | Roshan | yes |
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| 23:44.53 | lyonsb | You could try, but I don't know if grub is installed somewhere that your BIOS can find it. |
| 23:44.56 | lyonsb | Is it an UEFI bios? |
| 23:45.02 | lyonsb | Or set to UEFI mode? |
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| 23:45.24 | Roshan | I don't know how to tell |
| 23:45.39 | Roshan | will reboot and get into BIOS |
| 23:46.14 | lyonsb | Uh . . . |
| 23:46.15 | lyonsb | if you do that. |
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| 23:46.24 | lyonsb | you'll have to re-set up the chroot again for installing grub. Feel free though. |
| 23:46.32 | lyonsb | Now that you know how a little practice won't hurt. |
| 23:46.39 | Roshan | yes, it is |
| 23:46.50 | lyonsb | Can you change it to legacy? |
| 23:47.21 | g00se | finds this sort of thing somewhat easier to sort out with System Rescue CD since it allows you to 'boot another Linux..' |
| 23:47.47 | lyonsb | http://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi |
| 23:48.02 | lyonsb | If you would prefer to use EFI (And really, you probably should) |
| 23:48.18 | lyonsb | that stack exchange is best. There's also the super-grub rescue disk or somesuch. |
| 23:48.20 | lyonsb | yeah, exactly. |
| 23:48.26 | lyonsb | what goose is saying :) |
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| 23:49.28 | lyonsb | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
| 23:49.32 | lyonsb | for iso's and stuff. |
| 23:49.40 | lyonsb | so you can have your own rescue-USB stick in the future :) |
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| 23:49.59 | Roshan | thanks |
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| 23:50.19 | un214 | hmmm I made my own rescue CD |
| 23:50.21 | Roshan | I might enable EFI later |
| 23:50.50 | Roshan | after switching to legacy mode, it still doesn't work |
| 23:51.06 | lyonsb | EFI and legacy are very different. |
| 23:51.15 | Roshan | do I need to run the commands again? |
| 23:52.02 | lyonsb | Pretty much, need to mount everything again -- the stack exchange link I sent you has all the instructions you might need. |
| 23:52.11 | VladolfPutler | hi, is there a FreeCell game in Debian that is exactly like the Windows one? (same count and same game numbers) |
| 23:52.22 | un214 | there is |
| 23:52.23 | lyonsb | If you swtiched it to elgacy though, you'll want to use grub-pc rather than grub-efi |
| 23:52.27 | un214 | i've seen it on old redhat |
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| 23:52.36 | un214 | you wanna dig through old debian, be my guest |
| 23:52.46 | lyonsb | so you'll use apt-get install grub-pc rather than grub-efi |
| 23:52.48 | VladolfPutler | un214, it isn't in the current debian anymore? |
| 23:52.59 | lyonsb | Legacy uses grub-pc, efi uses grub-efi |
| 23:53.05 | un214 | not in the default set anyway |
| 23:53.38 | lyonsb | they're like electrical sockets, EFI doesn't fit into legacy grub and legacy bios doesn't fit into EFI grub. |
| 23:53.49 | VladolfPutler | un214, you mean not in the repository? |
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| 23:54.46 | un214 | I'm inclined to doubt |
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| 23:58.42 | lyonsb | Generally, the installer handles all of this stuff for you, selecting grub version, etc. So if Windows gets nuked and takes an EFI partition with it, since EFI partitions are operating system agnostic. |
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| 23:59.25 | lyonsb | Grub, which was using the efi partition for something goes "I swear I parked an operating system here somewhere . . .*scratches head*" |
| 23:59.50 | Roshan | 'modprobe efivars' is not needes, right? |